[12:02] <godsmoke> ok
[12:03] <_rodolfo> then I "disable" eth1 (my wifi card) through kcontrol...
[12:03] <godsmoke> why?
[12:04] <_rodolfo> because I have adsl on demand
[12:04] <_rodolfo> not permanently connected
[12:04] <godsmoke> well, you shouldn't be using kcontrol to disable the interface
[12:05] <_rodolfo> if I try to enable it again, it does not connect
[12:05] <godsmoke> of course not
[12:05] <_rodolfo> why?
[12:05] <godsmoke> you can't have this both ways
[12:05] <kalenedrael> the other reason to reboot linux is if you loaded a corrupt kernel module and half your programs cease working
[12:05] <godsmoke> either you use the interfaces config ... or you use kcontrol
[12:05] <godsmoke> you can't use both
[12:05] <kalenedrael> thank god for magic sysrq
[12:05] <_rodolfo> I only use kcontrol
[12:06] <godsmoke> ok -- well, I wouldn't
[12:07] <_rodolfo> what does kcontrol do with the enable command? "ifdown eth1"?
[12:07] <godsmoke> probably not
[12:07] <_rodolfo> ifup eth1
[12:07] <_rodolfo> I mean
[12:07] <godsmoke> probably does its own proprietary ifconfig stuff
[12:07] <godsmoke> which is why I don't use it
[12:07] <_rodolfo> what do you use
[12:07] <godsmoke> if it used ifdown and ifup, you wouldn't be having problems
[12:07] <godsmoke> ifdown/ifup
[12:08] <_rodolfo> so you edit /etc/netw.../interfaces?
[12:08] <godsmoke> once, yes
[12:08] <godsmoke> when I set up my computer, yea
[12:08] <_rodolfo> e.g. eth0 gets up on boot, I don't want it to
[12:09] <godsmoke> that's an option in your interfaces file
[12:09] <godsmoke> just take it out
[12:09] <_rodolfo> yes, but I'm not sure what option
[12:09] <godsmoke> "auto eth0"
[12:09] <_rodolfo> it's not there, I have "mapping hotplug"
[12:10] <_rodolfo> script grep
[12:10] <_rodolfo> map eth0
[12:10] <godsmoke> what?
[12:10] <godsmoke> in /etc/network/interfaces?
[12:10] <_rodolfo> yes!
[12:10] <godsmoke> paste the entire file into a pastebin
[12:12] <godsmoke> brb -- 3 minutes -- put the pastebin link here
[12:12] <_rodolfo> pasted as rodolfo
[12:13] <_rodolfo> http://pastebin.com/307495
[12:15] <godsmoke> and eth0 is really being started on boot?
[12:15] <godsmoke> oh
[12:15] <godsmoke> take out "map eth0"
[12:15] <_rodolfo> yes
[12:15] <_rodolfo> I can disable it with kcontrol
 take out "map eth0"
[12:16] <_rodolfo> ok
[12:16] <_rodolfo> I would like to use dhcp for eth1
[12:16] <godsmoke> no problem
[12:16] <godsmoke> just tell it that
[12:17] <_rodolfo> iface eth1 inet dhcp?
[12:17] <godsmoke> yep
[12:18] <godsmoke> and take out the ip settings
[12:18] <_rodolfo> can I keep the susbequent lines for wifi?
[12:18] <godsmoke> yep
[12:18] <godsmoke> they have nothing to do with ip
[12:18] <_rodolfo> should I also remove "gateway"
[12:18] <godsmoke> yes -- that's an ip setting
[12:19] <_rodolfo> so i remove "address ... - netmask ... - broadcast ... - gateway ..."?
[12:19] <godsmoke> yep
[12:19] <_rodolfo> comment out is ok i suppose
[12:19] <godsmoke> yep
[12:20] <_rodolfo> thanks
[12:20] <godsmoke> no problem -- reboot, check eth0 -- let me know if it worked
[12:20] <_rodolfo> one more question...?
[12:20] <godsmoke> go ahead
[12:20] <_rodolfo> how can I have multiple settings for my wifi card?
[12:21] <kalenedrael> you don't...
[12:21] <kalenedrael> the idea with dhclient is that you don
[12:21] <_rodolfo> kcontrol allows four, but they don't seem to work
[12:21] <kalenedrael> 't need it
[12:21] <kalenedrael> because the card associates with any AP in range, then you dhclient
[12:21] <kalenedrael> and that's it
[12:22] <_rodolfo> but suppose I connect to my encrypted network
[12:22] <kalenedrael> that's different, i guess
[12:22] <kalenedrael> encryption is overrated tough
[12:22] <kalenedrael> though
[12:22] <kalenedrael> i dont use it :P
[12:22] <_rodolfo> I don't understand, excuse me...
[12:23] <kalenedrael> i figure that hacking my box from inside the netowrk is just as hard as hacking it from outside, so wep doesn't help me much
[12:23] <kalenedrael> if i wanted a secure connection to something i use ssh
[12:24] <kalenedrael> and anyway wep can be cracked
[12:24] <godsmoke> ...
[12:24] <kalenedrael> easily
[12:24] <godsmoke> just use a vpn
[12:24] <_rodolfo> I use it because I have seen I can connect to my neighbours net... I don't want to be easily exposed
[12:24] <kalenedrael> i could do that, too :P
[12:24] <godsmoke> _rodolfo: there's a scheme thing ... I don't have the setup info in my head right now
[12:24] <godsmoke> google it
[12:24] <kalenedrael> so? what can you do to your neighbor's network?
[12:24] <kalenedrael> not much
[12:24] <godsmoke> break it
[12:24] <kalenedrael> how?
[12:25] <_rodolfo> no. I just surf without paying!
[12:25] <godsmoke> uh ... kill the router
[12:25] <godsmoke> those things are usually crap
[12:25] <godsmoke> with 4 or 5 ddos exploits
[12:25] <godsmoke> break into their stupid windows computers
[12:25] <kalenedrael> the windows boxen don't count
[12:25] <godsmoke> of course they do
[12:25] <godsmoke> that's what protection is for
[12:25] <kalenedrael> surfing without paying is fine with me
[12:26] <_rodolfo> so what is kwifimanager's setup for?
[12:26] <kalenedrael> as long as they're not using too much bandwidth
[12:26] <kalenedrael> stupid windows boxen
[12:26] <godsmoke> _rodolfo: for using kwifimanager to manage your network card
[12:26] <kalenedrael> yeah...
[12:27] <_rodolfo> yes?
[12:27] <godsmoke> your question doesn't make any sense
[12:27] <godsmoke> "what is microsoft paint for?" -- "to paint things"
[12:27] <_rodolfo> no no
[12:27] <_rodolfo> I mean.. the setup for up to four wifi settings
[12:27] <godsmoke> ...
[12:28] <godsmoke> so you can set four wifi setups through it
[12:28] <godsmoke> you're talking in circles
[12:28] <_rodolfo> but you said I can't set up four settings! so why is it there
[12:28] <godsmoke> no I didn't
[12:28] <godsmoke> when did I say that?
[12:29] <_rodolfo> well kalenedrael said it
[12:29] <godsmoke> where?
[12:29] <_rodolfo> scroll up
[12:29] <godsmoke> paste it -- you're quoting him
[12:29] <kalenedrael> you theoretically can have four settings and interchange them
[12:29] <godsmoke> I'm not
[12:30] <kalenedrael> but i don't know how to do it because i don't use it
[12:30] <_rodolfo> ok
[12:30] <godsmoke> anyway
[12:30] <_rodolfo> how can I obtaion the same effect by editing the config files?
[12:30] <godsmoke> here's the profile information
[12:30] <godsmoke> _rodolfo: I told you to google it because I didn't remember the syntax off-hand
[12:30] <godsmoke> like 10 minutes ago
[12:30] <godsmoke> but I googled it, because I knew you wouldn't
[12:31] <godsmoke> you just do "interface ethX(PROFILENAME)"
[12:31] <godsmoke> for each profile
[12:31] <godsmoke> to set them up -- it's just "ifup ethX PROFILENAME"
[12:31] <godsmoke> done and done
[12:32] <_rodolfo> nice, thanks
[12:34] <_rodolfo> should I put something for "wireless_essid" to connect to ANY network?
[12:34] <MikeStyle> hi everyone, wondering how to install flash/shockwave on konqueror
[12:34] <godsmoke> _rodolfo: yes, "any"
[12:34] <kalenedrael> MikeStyle, nope
[12:34] <MikeStyle> _rodolfo, ANY
[12:34] <godsmoke> except no quotes
[12:35] <_rodolfo> good
[12:35] <kalenedrael> doesn't exist, i think
[12:35] <godsmoke> MikeStyle: konqueror supports mozilla/netscape plugins
[12:35] <godsmoke> kalenedrael: yes, it aboslutely does
[12:35] <MikeStyle> godsmoke, how would i go about installing it
[12:35] <kalenedrael> ok then
[12:35] <godsmoke> install the package ....
[12:35] <godsmoke> like everyone else
[12:35] <MikeStyle> uhm
[12:35] <godsmoke> do an apt-cache search for it
[12:35] <MikeStyle> through terminal
[12:35] <godsmoke> I don't know the exact name
[12:35] <MikeStyle> ?
[12:35] <godsmoke> however you want
[12:36] <godsmoke> kynaptic/synaptic/apt
[12:36] <godsmoke> take your pick
[12:37] <FoamY_is_AwaY> how to kill arts and esd?
[12:37] <godsmoke> the processes?
[12:37] <FoamY_is_AwaY> yes
[12:37] <godsmoke> find their process ids via "ps aux"
[12:37] <FoamY_is_AwaY> i'm testing a throey
[12:37] <godsmoke> and issue a kill command for them
[12:37] <FoamY_is_AwaY> ideal :p
[12:39] <_rodolfo> thanks kalenedrael and godsmoke, good night...
[12:40] <godsmoke> goodnight
[12:53] <nikkia> urgh
[12:53] <nikkia> why on earth is kubuntu using inetd ?!
[12:53] <godsmoke> Kubuntu is just Ubuntu with KDE packages
[12:53] <godsmoke> talk to Ubuntu
[12:54] <nikkia> godsmoke: ok, why on earth are they using it ?
[12:54] <godsmoke> if you have complaints about such things
[12:54] <godsmoke> #ubuntu
[12:54] <kalenedrael> ...
[12:56] <FoamY_is_AwaY> whats this mean?
[12:56] <FoamY_is_AwaY> shane@FoamY:~/TeamSpeak2RC2$ artsdsp TeamSpeak.bin
[12:56] <FoamY_is_AwaY> /usr/bin/artsdsp: line 108: exec: TeamSpeak.bin: not found
[12:57] <godsmoke> it means it couldn't find TeamSpeak.bin
[12:57] <FoamY_is_AwaY> thats odd
[12:57] <godsmoke> try an actual path
[12:57] <FoamY_is_AwaY> i can run the program by typeing TeamSpeak and it works
[12:57] <godsmoke> "artsdsp ./TeamSpeak.bin"
[12:57] <godsmoke> ...
[12:57] <FoamY_is_AwaY> ok i'll try it
[12:57] <godsmoke> stop
[12:57] <godsmoke> hold on
[12:57] <godsmoke> where is TeamSpeak.bin?
[12:58] <FoamY_is_AwaY> i open console and type ~cd TeamSpeak_RC2
[12:58] <FoamY_is_AwaY> and i get there
[12:58] <FoamY_is_AwaY> thats all
[12:58] <godsmoke> sigh
[12:58] <godsmoke> get where?
[12:58] <godsmoke> I asked you where TeamSpeak.bin -- the file -- is located
[12:58] <FoamY_is_AwaY> to the teamspeak follder
[12:59] <FoamY_is_AwaY> i don't know it's located in the home folder
[12:59] <godsmoke> if you don't know -- how do you expect to call it?
[12:59] <FoamY_is_AwaY> i type in console TeamSpeak and it works
[01:00] <godsmoke> that has nothing to do with this whatsoever
[01:00] <FoamY_is_AwaY> media:/hda1/home/shane/TeamSpeak2RC2
[01:00] <FoamY_is_AwaY> os what kopnq says
[01:00] <FoamY_is_AwaY> is even
[01:00] <godsmoke> why are you typing "TeamSpeak.bin"?
[01:00] <godsmoke> is that an actual file?
[01:00] <FoamY_is_AwaY> i'm not i'm trying to run a comand
[01:00] <godsmoke> yes you are -- you're trying to run artsdsp
[01:00] <FoamY_is_AwaY> that hopefully will let teamspeak not hog my soundcard
[01:00] <FoamY_is_AwaY> using artsdsp TeamSPeak
[01:01] <godsmoke> but, I don't know why you called "TeamSpeak.bin" as the program name
[01:01] <godsmoke> if you could explain that -- maybe I could help
[01:01] <FoamY_is_AwaY> as far as i know thats the equivilent of an exe
[01:01] <godsmoke> no
[01:01] <FoamY_is_AwaY> ok now i'm really los
[01:01] <FoamY_is_AwaY> lost even
[01:02] <godsmoke> where is the TeamSpeak program INSTALLED?
[01:02] <godsmoke> or is it installed at all?
[01:02] <FoamY_is_AwaY> media:/hda1/home/shane/TeamSpeak2RC2
[01:02] <FoamY_is_AwaY> thats where it is installed
[01:02] <godsmoke> ok -- and what's in that directory?
[01:02] <godsmoke> filenames
[01:02] <FoamY_is_AwaY> there are 2 icons in that folder that say teamspeak
[01:02] <FoamY_is_AwaY> 1 is a script
[01:02] <godsmoke> don't use a gui
[01:02] <FoamY_is_AwaY> and the other is a .bin
[01:02] <FoamY_is_AwaY> why not
[01:03] <godsmoke> because it lies to you
[01:03] <FoamY_is_AwaY> if i go through console it tells me the same thing
[01:03] <godsmoke> tell me the exact filenames
[01:03] <FoamY_is_AwaY> the consol and the gui tell me the exact same thing
[01:03] <FoamY_is_AwaY> not one thing is diffrent
[01:04] <godsmoke> type the filenames
[01:04] <godsmoke> for the 3rd time
[01:04] <FoamY_is_AwaY> clicense.txt  libborqt-6.9-qt2.3.so  manual      TeamSpeak
[01:04] <FoamY_is_AwaY> client_sdk    libHVDI.so.0.8.0       Readme.txt  TeamSpeak.bin
[01:04] <FoamY_is_AwaY> icon.xpm      libspeex.so.1.0.0      sounds      uninstall.sh
[01:04] <FoamY_is_AwaY> and that is exactly what the gui shows
[01:04] <godsmoke> that's 2 files?
[01:04] <FoamY_is_AwaY> that are the exe for teamspeak
[01:04] <FoamY_is_AwaY> i can use either to run it
[01:05] <FoamY_is_AwaY> if i type teamspeak it runs the script(i think) and teamspeak.bin runs the program
[01:06] <FoamY_is_AwaY> either that or i'm completely dumb and don't know what i'm talking about(most likely)
[01:06] <godsmoke> type "artsdsp /home/shane/TeamSpeak2RC2/TeamSpeak"
[01:06] <godsmoke> that should work
[01:06] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> kk
[01:06] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> i'll try
[01:06] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> do i have to be in the teamspeak folder?
[01:07] <godsmoke> no
[01:10] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> godsmoke if a program is "sleeping" does that mean it's idel?
[01:11] <godsmoke> it just means they're not currently executing
[01:12] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> ok so if i'm trying to get a program to use arts then artsd should not be idel correct?
[01:13] <godsmoke> uh -- it shouldn't mean one way or the other
[01:13] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> ok
[01:13] <godsmoke> a sleeping process is not dead
[01:13] <godsmoke> it may just not be doing anything
[01:14] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> ok
[01:14] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> now i run that command and i can hear everything
[01:14] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> but i can't talk now
[01:14] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> >.<
[01:15] <godsmoke> well ... that is something to take up with TeamSpeak
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> yea theres alot of stuff about it in linux
[01:15] <godsmoke> huh?
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> but theres no soulutions on there forums
[01:15] <godsmoke> well, ok
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> except the artsdsp command which dosen't work
[01:16] <MikeStyle> hi, how would i enter in a password for a password protected .rar archive?
[01:16] <MikeStyle> in ark
[01:17] <MikeStyle> ...
[01:18] <godsmoke> I don't know if ark supports that
[01:18] <uniq> it doesn't.
[01:18] <MikeStyle> even with the unrar plugin i installed?
[01:18] <godsmoke> who knows
[01:18] <MikeStyle> is there a plugin for it
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> yea winsucks will produce more than 1 sound at a time but linux won't
[01:18] <godsmoke> I don't use password-protected files
[01:18] <uniq> i've never had it working.
[01:18] <stisev> Hi all
[01:18] <stisev> anyone here?
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> same sound card too could it be my drivers?
[01:19] <stisev> I'm having problems installing VMWare tools
[01:19] <stisev> I'm running Kubuntu/Ubuntu  on VMware workstation (on Windows XP SP2)
[01:19] <stisev> but I'm trying to install VMWare tools
[01:21] <godsmoke> stisev: ok ...
[01:21] <stisev> goooooooooooooooooodsmoke!
[01:21] <stisev> )
[01:21] <godsmoke> :)
[01:21] <godsmoke> back again :)
[01:21] <stisev> Hiyyas man :)
[01:21] <stisev> yep ;)
[01:22] <godsmoke> doing ok -- I'm gonna end up being your full-time ubuntu tech
[01:22] <stisev> haha
[01:22] <stisev> that wouldn't be so bad
[01:22] <stisev> :p
[01:22] <stisev> godsmoke, you're just the person I wanted to see
[01:22] <stisev> do you use VMWare? at all?
[01:22] <godsmoke> yes
[01:22] <godsmoke> but not on windows
[01:22] <stisev> Thank jebus.
[01:22] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> are there alternate drivers for the intell soundcards?
[01:22] <stisev> yea, it doesn't matter
[01:23] <stisev> i'm trying to install VMWare tools on Linux
[01:23] <godsmoke> ChurcH_of_FOamY: nope -- the drivers are well-established, and work very very well
[01:23] <stisev> but I'm having a bitch of a time.
[01:23] <stisev> It say "Run the install script"
[01:23] <nikkia> wow, nvu really did accept the mozilla development role model
[01:23] <nikkia> 18 month old bugs still unfixed!
[01:23] <stisev> ./ install.pl
[01:23] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> godsmoke weard cause the card is a duplex card but can only put out one sound from a program at a time
[01:23] <stisev> (in the directions)
[01:23] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> it's driving me nuts
[01:24] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> i can use alsa or esd or atrs and it's still the same
[01:24] <stisev> but the terminal is saying  "bash: ./: is a directory
[01:24] <stisev> How the devil do I install this install.pl file
[01:24] <stisev> .pl =pearn language?
[01:24] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> godsmoke any ideas?
[01:24] <godsmoke> stisev: ...
[01:24] <godsmoke> ChurcH_of_FOamY: I'm busy
[01:24] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> kk
[01:25] <McScruff> stisev - ./vmware-config.pl
[01:25] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> sorry diden't mean to bug ya >.<
[01:26] <stisev> omg
[01:26] <stisev> lol
[01:26] <McScruff> did it work :)
[01:27] <stisev> not yet
[01:27] <stisev> er I need to run sudo
[01:27] <McScruff> :)
[01:27] <stisev> nope not yet
[01:27] <stisev> stand by for error
[01:27] <McScruff> :S
[01:27] <stisev> hehe (pastebin baby!)
[01:27] <McScruff> i have never installed it on kubuntu but on most other distro's
[01:27] <stisev> on ubuntu now
[01:28] <stisev> well Kubuntu but in Gnome
[01:28] <stisev> KDE is getting to be a little too much eye cand yfor me
[01:28] <stisev> ;)
[01:28] <McScruff> i dont like gnome, but its here incase i crave it like a cheese sandwich oneday
[01:28] <stisev> haha
[01:28] <stisev> KDE?
[01:28] <McScruff> gnome
[01:28] <McScruff> its installed
[01:29] <McScruff> but never used
[01:29] <stisev> er no, I meant you use KDE?
[01:29] <McScruff> yea
[01:29] <stisev> cool
[01:29] <McScruff> i know what you mean about the eye candy
[01:29] <stisev> yep
[01:29] <aseigo> stisev: so real it back. it's not hard to do =)
[01:29] <stisev> ?
[01:30] <stisev> real it back?
[01:30] <aseigo> er, reel it back
[01:30] <aseigo> the eye candy
[01:30] <stisev> what's that mean O_O
[01:30] <McScruff> get rid of it
[01:30] <stisev> tone down the eye candY?
[01:30] <stisev> yea true ;)
[01:30] <aseigo> try the reinhardt icons and a calmer/uglier widget style
[01:30] <McScruff> i cant i like my mates to say "ooooooo" when they see my desktop
[01:30] <aseigo> don't put a desktop wallpaper
[01:31] <aseigo> turn effects off in the styles control panel, etc
[01:34] <stisev> ok
[01:34] <stisev> McScruff, it worked but it didn;t
[01:35] <Mez> stisev, how can something work but not work
[01:35] <stisev> sudo ./install.pl other
[01:35] <stisev> but then it gave me an error
[01:36] <stisev> ok here's the sg
[01:36] <stisev> http://pastebin.com/307543
[01:38] <Mez> stisev, you don't have a /tmp dir?
[01:38] <stisev> I do
[01:38] <stisev> I see it
[01:38] <Mez> nvm /me is being stupid
[01:38] <Mez> I think it's something to do with compiling against Xorg rather than against Xf86... 
[01:38] <stisev> ?O_O?
[01:39] <McScruff> :O
[01:39] <stisev> All I want to do is run  VMWare in 1680x1050
[01:39] <stisev> :(
[01:39] <McScruff> sorry stisev, i was writing cv :)
[01:39] <stisev> on my windows computer
[01:39] <McScruff> on windows?
[01:39] <stisev> yea
[01:39] <McScruff> or run windows on it
[01:39] <stisev> no
[01:39] <stisev> My laptop is a windows computer
[01:39] <stisev> i'm running linux on it
[01:39] <Mez> stisev, - join #vmware
[01:42] <stisev> ???
[01:42] <stisev> no one there?
[01:44] <stisev> :(
[01:44] <stisev> crached IRC client
[01:44] <stisev> agh
[01:46] <stisev> Meow?
[01:46] <McScruff> lol
[01:46] <McScruff> how did you crash it
[01:47] <stisev> It crashes
[01:47] <stisev> this is an experimental client on windows
[01:47] <stisev> still in alpha
[01:47] <stisev> anyways, McScruff, any ideas about VMWare?
[01:47] <stisev> I really want to get it running native res
[01:47] <stisev> :(
[01:47] <McScruff> so you want to run vmware on windows?
[01:47] <stisev> yea
[01:47] <McScruff> use the exe :)
[01:47] <McScruff> install it
[01:47] <stisev> nono
[01:48] <stisev> right now, I've got VMWare Workstation installed ON my windows XP SP2 laptop
[01:48] <McScruff> ok
[01:48] <stisev> inside VMware, i've created a virtual HD for Kubuntu
[01:48] <McScruff> ok
[01:48] <stisev> I want to run SVGA res on Kubuntu
[01:48] <stisev> (it's limited to 1024* ...)
[01:48] <stisev> I need to install crap inside linux for that
[01:48] <stisev> hence the aforementioned errors
[01:49] <McScruff> i have no idea i un vmware at 800x 600 (not sure why but i think it looks better as i dont fullscreen it)
[01:49] <McScruff> *run
[01:49] <stisev> McScruff, because fullscreen mode doesn't do anything but stretch 800x600 -> whateve rres
[01:49] <stisev> installing the proper drivers will allow you to run it at real res
[01:50] <stisev> and accelerates graphics  stuff
[01:50] <stisev> anyways brb switching to linux partition
[02:04] <tikal26> I am new here do I just ask a question
[02:09] <McScruff> im new and i do :)
[02:11] <tikal26> ok I am trying to install Processing http://processing.org/ but i need to make a symlik
[02:11] <tikal26> I don't know what is a Symllink?
[02:13] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> whats the current alsa sound driver?
[02:13] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> does kubuntu have it from install
[02:15] <tikal26> ohh
[02:31] <penguinboy> hey guys and gals...nerds and geeks
[02:41] <QueerAsFolk> did anyone see a lizard runthrough here???
[02:45] <QueerAsFolk> did anyone see a lizard runthrough here???
[02:45] <godsmoke> ChurcH_of_FOamY: there's a difference between the alsa utils and the driver itself
[02:45] <godsmoke> the driver is in the linux kernel
[02:45] <godsmoke> it has nothing to do with ubuntu
[02:46] <QueerAsFolk> hey godsmoke 
[02:46] <godsmoke> hi
[02:46] <stisev> godsmoke, any ideas as to my previoius query
[02:46] <godsmoke> back from 4th of july dinner
[02:46] <godsmoke> stisev: which was that, sorry -- bad memory
[02:46] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> ok so what do i do just get a better soundcard
[02:46] <QueerAsFolk> hamburgers and hotdogs?
[02:47] <godsmoke> no, T-Bone steak
[02:47] <QueerAsFolk> mmm mmm good
[02:47] <QueerAsFolk> we have rain and tornado warnings...no fireworks here
[02:48] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> ouch
[02:48] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> O_o
[02:48] <godsmoke> QueerAsFolk: is your nick because you like the tv show?
[02:48] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> we might have fireworks toniight
[02:48] <QueerAsFolk> oh yes
[02:48] <QueerAsFolk> and i'm gay
[02:48] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> if it dosent rain
[02:48] <stisev> godsmoke, stand by
[02:48] <godsmoke> heh
[02:48] <godsmoke> I've become a #kubuntu tech
[02:48] <godsmoke> this is sad
[02:48] <stisev> godsmoke, http://pastebin.com/307567
[02:48] <stisev> go there
[02:49] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> queerasfolk so?
[02:49] <stisev> I've described it in great detail
[02:49] <QueerAsFolk> lol godsmoke 
[02:49] <QueerAsFolk> godsmoke: sometimes does not have the aptience to be a #kubuntu tech LOL
[02:49] <stisev> QueerAsFolk, haha
[02:49] <stisev> Lo
[02:49] <stisev> :p
[02:49] <godsmoke> you're right -- that's why I'm not one
[02:49] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[02:49] <godsmoke> I'm not here to hold people's hands
[02:50] <QueerAsFolk> we love him though
[02:50] <godsmoke> if they want that -- they can pay me $100/hr
[02:50] <godsmoke> which is my discounted "wasting my time" rate
[02:50] <Master-Yoda> ahh!
[02:50] <Master-Yoda> someone help please, my main ip 72.21.59.130 redirects to one of my clients!
[02:50] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> so queerAsfolk how ya doin
[02:50] <Master-Yoda> please help how do i make it redirect to my pc
[02:50] <Master-Yoda> lol
[02:50] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> still got compant dl
[02:50] <Master-Yoda> or change its redirection
[02:50] <QueerAsFolk> wonderful!
[02:50] <Master-Yoda> please please please
[02:50] <QueerAsFolk> fabulous!
[02:50] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> cool
[02:50] <godsmoke> Master-Yoda: this sounds like it has nothing to do with Kubuntu
[02:51] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> you watch absoulutly fabulous?
[02:51] <Master-Yoda> its hosted on kubuntu
[02:51] <godsmoke> so what?
[02:51] <Master-Yoda> maybe one of you guys cna help
[02:51] <Master-Yoda> anything
[02:51] <Master-Yoda> please this is erally urgent
[02:51] <godsmoke> ok, stop, slow down
[02:51] <godsmoke> this is not an on-demand service
[02:51] <QueerAsFolk> how r u ChurcH_of_FOamY ????
[02:51] <godsmoke> this is a community effort -- you get what you get
[02:51] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[02:51] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> i'm fine and you?/
[02:52] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> a little drunk offa bacardi 151
[02:52] <godsmoke> Master-Yoda: explain what your site is, how this site is hosted, and how your clients' site is hosted, then I can begin to help you
[02:52] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> got to celebrate the dispicable holiday know as the 4th of july
[02:52] <QueerAsFolk> Happy 4th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:53] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> yea
[02:53] <QueerAsFolk> and in case I forgot...Happy Cinco de Mayo as well
[02:53] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> lets celebrate a holiday that invloes killing people takeing there land and calling it our own
[02:53] <QueerAsFolk> now now
[02:53] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> trade you some shiny plastic beads for your land >.<
[02:53] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[02:53] <QueerAsFolk> O_o
[02:54] <QueerAsFolk> o_O
[02:54] <QueerAsFolk> welcome Poromies !!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:54] <godsmoke> Master-Yoda: ok -- well, it's not a good idea to come in here screaming about something completely unrelated to kubuntu, and then demand help immediately, and then leave
[02:55] <QueerAsFolk> Poromies: if it is tech support you seek...just take a number...and godsmoke will call for you when he is ready!
[02:55] <QueerAsFolk> LOL
[02:55] <godsmoke> I haven't even seen Poromies talk
[02:55] <QueerAsFolk> nor i
[02:56] <godsmoke> so why are you addressing him as if he asked for tech support?
[02:56] <QueerAsFolk> perhaps he just signed up to monitor the class
[02:56] <godsmoke> he's auditing my master class on how to be an arrogant jerk
[02:56] <QueerAsFolk> si
[02:57] <godsmoke> but what he doesn't know is ... I'm secretly working for the CIA, looking for advanced Kubuntu programmers to come join the dark side
[02:57] <QueerAsFolk> Welcome Heart_2 ...Happy 4th to you!
[02:57] <QueerAsFolk> lol godsmoke 
[03:01] <QueerAsFolk> loose women lying in ponds, handing out swords, is no basis for a system of government.
[03:04] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> nope
[03:05] <QueerAsFolk> Welcome Heart_ and dutch!
[03:05] <godsmoke> QueerAsFolk: what, are you a walmart greeter now or something?
[03:06] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> lol
[03:06] <QueerAsFolk> si si Senor.....you handle the cheerful and helpful tech supprt...and I will be the greeter
[03:06] <QueerAsFolk> LOL
[03:06] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> lol
[03:06] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> theres nothing wrong with wallmart greeters
[03:06] <QueerAsFolk> no there isn;t
[03:07] <godsmoke> ChurcH_of_FOamY: only one 'l'
[03:07] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> huh?
[03:07] <QueerAsFolk> is there a hyphen
[03:07] <stisev> godsmoke, sorry, back
[03:07] <godsmoke> no
[03:07] <godsmoke> "walmart"
[03:07] <stisev> I was afk until now
[03:07] <QueerAsFolk> danke
[03:07] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> oh yea
[03:07] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> forgot
[03:07] <godsmoke> stisev: ok ...
[03:07] <stisev> any ideas about that error message? :(
[03:08] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> gotta love sam walton >.<
[03:08] <liz4rd> OMG CHEESE!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:08] <QueerAsFolk> stisev: is a brave soul seekign tech support from our resident tuech guru and all-around nice linux god!
[03:08] <godsmoke> stisev: no -- vmware is tough to install -- it's not meant to be this easy process -- I'd ask on #vmware, and their forums and such
[03:08] <stisev> #vmware on this server?
[03:08] <QueerAsFolk> that was a sweet answer godsmoke 
[03:08] <stisev> or on Efnet?
[03:08] <godsmoke> yep
[03:08] <stisev> ??
[03:08] <godsmoke> here
[03:08] <godsmoke> freenode
[03:09] <liz4rd> dam you all no response to cheese :(
[03:09] <QueerAsFolk> a girl???????
[03:09] <godsmoke> I don't know about efnet -- I don't go there
[03:09] <stisev> lol cool
[03:09] <QueerAsFolk> i have never seena girl in here before
[03:09] <godsmoke> QueerAsFolk: what is wrong with you?
[03:09] <QueerAsFolk> nothing
[03:09] <godsmoke> are you on crack or something?
[03:09] <QueerAsFolk> LOL
[03:09] <QueerAsFolk> lmfao
[03:09] <godsmoke> you're jumping on the chance to say hello to anyone who might walk in
[03:09] <godsmoke> and now you're obsessing over the fact that someone with a girl's name as a nick entered
[03:10] <godsmoke> which a) doesn't mean they're a girl
[03:10] <godsmoke> and b) is not shocking
[03:10] <QueerAsFolk> i am the G-R-E-E-T-E-R and you are the one to offer helpfuul and friendly tech supprt...Remeber????
[03:10] <judith> I'm trying to install gstreamer and taglib! what do I have to type on the command line? apt-get install <package-name> results in "cannot find <package-name>!"
[03:10] <juile> GIVE ME ATTENTION
[03:10] <juile> MUUHAHAHA
[03:10] <juile> LO
[03:10] <juile> :P
[03:10] <godsmoke> judith: well ... you have to look up the package names
[03:11] <juile> LOL
[03:11] <godsmoke> judith: this is usually done via an apt-cache search -- but you can use tools such as Kynaptic or Synaptic to do it graphically
[03:11] <judith> godsmoke: taglib and gstreamer are the names...right?
[03:11] <godsmoke> no
[03:11] <godsmoke> those are programs
[03:11] <QueerAsFolk> not Kynaptic...it is terrible
[03:11] <godsmoke> they're not the specific package names
[03:11] <QueerAsFolk> use Synaptic instead
[03:11] <godsmoke> you have to look them up
[03:11] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[03:12] <judith> godsmoke: where do I start? google?
[03:12] <godsmoke> juile: you had those laying around -- I'm not sure I want to know
[03:12] <godsmoke> judith: no ... read what I wrote
[03:12] <juile> oh well then
 judith: this is usually done via an apt-cache search -- but you can use tools such as Kynaptic or Synaptic to do it graphically
[03:12] <QueerAsFolk> judith....go to terminal
[03:12] <juile> QueerAsFolk played with them last night
[03:13] <QueerAsFolk> Judith....do you have Synaptic installed?
[03:13] <judith> QueerAsFolk: I have Kynaptic
[03:13] <godsmoke> http://packages.ubuntu.com/ works as well
[03:13] <judith> ok
[03:13] <QueerAsFolk> kynaptic is no good
[03:14] <QueerAsFolk> go to terminal and type sudo apt-get install synaptic
[03:14] <judith> OK
[03:14] <QueerAsFolk> then run...hit reload button...and do a search for gstreamer etc
[03:14] <judith> ok thanx
[03:14] <QueerAsFolk> np
[03:14] <QueerAsFolk> glad to help
[03:15] <QueerAsFolk> that's what we do around here...service with a smile!
[03:15] <judith> I guess I can un-install kynaptic, right?
[03:15] <QueerAsFolk> no need to do that
[03:17] <stisev> bbl
[03:18] <QueerAsFolk> Welcoem DavidLeeRoth !!!
[03:18] <DavidLeeRoth> hey
[03:19] <QueerAsFolk> hey hey hey
[03:20] <QueerAsFolk> DavidLeeRoth: are youo new top these partsd?
[03:20] <DavidLeeRoth> where the hell did you learn how to spell?
[03:21] <QueerAsFolk> school
[03:21] <QueerAsFolk> LOL
[03:21] <DavidLeeRoth> and where the hell did you buy your keyboard?
[03:22] <QueerAsFolk> from the keyboard store
[03:23] <godsmoke> they have keyboard stores?
[03:25] <QueerAsFolk> si Senor
[03:25] <QueerAsFolk> next to the wallmart
[03:25] <godsmoke> it's "walmart"
[03:25] <godsmoke> get it right
[03:26] <QueerAsFolk> aye aye mein commandant!
[03:32] <QueerAsFolk> Welcome Hippie!!!!!!!!!!
[03:35] <penguinboy> what??? no welcome?????
[03:35] <QueerAsFolk> The Monchmeister!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:36] <monchy> hey queer
[03:36] <QueerAsFolk> hey queer lover!
[03:36] <monchy> you mean liz4rd
[03:36] <QueerAsFolk> i mena you
[03:36] <monchy> never
[03:36] <QueerAsFolk> you little queer lover you
[03:36] <monchy> blah
[03:36] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[03:37] <QueerAsFolk> Welcome |k3seimbang4n| 
[03:40] <QueerAsFolk> Welcome wirwzd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:42] <QueerAsFolk> Welcome GIGOLO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
[03:44] <QueerAsFolk> shit
[03:47] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> what?
[03:48] <QueerAsFolk> hey Foamy!
[03:48] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> yea?
[03:48] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> ^_^
[03:48] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> whats up
[03:49] <ChurcH_of_FOamY> ?
[03:49] <QueerAsFolk> not much
[03:49] <QueerAsFolk> how are you 
[03:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm fine and you my freind?
[03:49] <QueerAsFolk> wonderful...fabulous...sassy
[03:50] <godsmoke> I'm like ... 5+ miles away
[03:50] <godsmoke> and I can hear them easily
[03:50] <QueerAsFolk> lucky dog
[03:50] <godsmoke> I'm not a dog, silly
[03:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nice
[03:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> soory man i just don't want to get yelled at cause she don't know
[03:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> listens to evanacence
[03:52] <godsmoke> missing a /me there
[03:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> queer what timezone(me est)
[03:57] <QueerAsFolk> 10:00
[03:57] <QueerAsFolk> pm
[03:57] <QueerAsFolk> US Eatern
[03:57] <QueerAsFolk> Eastern
[03:57] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[03:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nice ^_^
[03:58] <True_Chaos|Lapto> anyone know how to switch keyboards?  I was a tool when i installed kubuntu and selected standard keyboard, but ive got a dell one, and im wondering if its possible to change it
[04:02] <GIGOLO> hi
[04:02] <GIGOLO> kk] 
[04:03] <QueerAsFolk> HEY HEY HEY GIGOLO !!!!!!!!!!!!1
[04:05] <QueerAsFolk> did anyone see a lizard run through the chatroom?
[04:06] <monchy> yea it was attached to foamy
[04:07] <monchy> foamy what did you do to liz4rd :P
[04:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i diden't do nothing why?
[04:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_O
[04:09] <monchy> relax just joshin lol
[04:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[04:11] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> listens to souxsie and the banshees
[04:12] <QueerAsFolk> kewl
[04:12] <QueerAsFolk> i love the B-52s
[04:12] <QueerAsFolk> and I love Frankie Does Hollywood
[04:13] <QueerAsFolk> or is that Goes
[04:13] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> yea not many peole know of that band
[04:13] <QueerAsFolk> probably not Frankie "Does" Hollywood
[04:13] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> i herd of them ^_^
[04:13] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> most of my music is goth or pagan
[04:13] <QueerAsFolk> what are your favorite bands?
[04:13] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> um
[04:14] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> souxie of course and voltare and amon aroth
[04:14] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> and system of a down and.....
[04:14] <QueerAsFolk> amon aroth?
[04:15] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> a underside gothic band
[04:15] <QueerAsFolk> i like kittie and slipknot
[04:15] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> faith in the muse
[04:15] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> and eliria
[04:15] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> problibly all bands you never herd of
[04:15] <QueerAsFolk> i LOVE Cyndi Lauper!  She is absolutely to die for!
[04:15] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> www.project.com
[04:16] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> i have some techno remixes of her
[04:16] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> like time after time
[04:16] <QueerAsFolk> techno is good
[04:16] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> and such
[04:16] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> yea it is
[04:16] <QueerAsFolk> i love clubbing
[04:16] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> there are no clubs where i live
[04:16] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> >.<
[04:16] <QueerAsFolk> what kind of movies do you like
[04:16] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> horror and horror only
[04:17] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> if it dosen't scare me then it's crap
[04:17] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> 13 ghosts was awsome
[04:17] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> ^_^
[04:17] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> but i have yet to get scared this year
[04:17] <QueerAsFolk> i like a good scare every now and then as long as I have a strong date to protect me
[04:18] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> ^_^
[04:18] <QueerAsFolk> what is the scariest movie you have ever seen
[04:18] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> hmmm
[04:18] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> i would have to say it's a tie between 13 ghosts and hellraser
[04:18] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> that rob zombie movie was a joke
[04:19] <QueerAsFolk> i thought reviewers said the Ring was the scariest movie of late
[04:19] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> thats them
[04:19] <QueerAsFolk> what kind of food do you liek
[04:20] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> i'm a witch i seen shit that will make your flesh crwal
[04:20] <QueerAsFolk> i love Chinese
[04:20] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> all kinds from all cultures
[04:20] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> and i love sushi
[04:20] <QueerAsFolk> i love Thai
[04:20] <QueerAsFolk> and Mexican
[04:20] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> nice
[04:21] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> mexican is good haven't tryed tai
[04:21] <QueerAsFolk> i would have to saw that Chinese is my #1 favorite
[04:21] <QueerAsFolk> Tai is like very spicy Chinese food
[04:21] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> oh wow i like spicy ^_^
[04:21] <QueerAsFolk> i like spicy too
[04:21] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> i have peppers that i made that will burn your flesh
[04:22] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> you have to wash your hands after handling the pepers
[04:22] <QueerAsFolk> habaneros?
[04:22] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> or it will peel your skin layer by layer
[04:22] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> ^_^
[04:22] <QueerAsFolk> are they called habaneros?
[04:22] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> yes
[04:23] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> but there a sertain type
[04:23] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> they can cause you to hallucinate if you eat enough
[04:23] <QueerAsFolk> wow
[04:23] <QueerAsFolk> do you have any favorite clothing makers?
[04:23] <QueerAsFolk> I like Hilfiger
[04:24] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> i like clothed that do not have any brand names or endorsements
[04:24] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> which usualy means i end up wearing hemp
[04:25] <QueerAsFolk> yeah...lots of people do....but i like the way Hilfiger cuts his pants...they really show off my assets in a pleasing manner
[04:25] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> which is more durable than most clothes
[04:25] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> do you have msn?
[04:25] <QueerAsFolk> no..i have jabber and i have gaim
[04:26] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> oh
[04:26] <QueerAsFolk> msn is a microsucks product
[04:26] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> damn i was gonna send you a pic
[04:26] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> tue but it works
[04:26] <QueerAsFolk> let me get it
[04:26] <QueerAsFolk> i would lie a pic
[04:28] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> trying to send via dcc
[04:28] <QueerAsFolk> dcc it again
[04:29] <QueerAsFolk> the dcc connection is failing...let me get an msn account
[04:29] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> kk
[04:30] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> listens to claire voyant
[04:35] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> listens to ghost in the shell
[04:43] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> listens to switchblade symphony
[04:48] <FoamY_is_WiccaN> listens to souxie and the banshees
[04:58] <stisev> godsmoke, hey
[04:58] <stisev> godsmoke,  boo ;)
[04:59] <stisev> godsmoke, gotta question for you.
[05:00] <QueerAsFolk> watch it....waking godsmoke is like waking a hibernating bear
[05:00] <stisev> haha
[05:00] <stisev> QueerAsFolk, may I ask you the Q?
[05:00] <QueerAsFolk> si
[05:00] <stisev> QueerAsFolk in kubuntu [KDE] , I hate how the windows default to their crappy layout, with all of the navigation panels
[05:01] <stisev> how do I force KDE to show windows how I want them?
[05:01] <stisev> (classic look - tree view with no navigation panels, side panels)
[05:02] <stisev> do you know how to configure how KDE shows the folders?
[05:03] <QueerAsFolk> I am not sure stisev perhaps #kde could help you out
[05:03] <stisev> lo
[05:03] <stisev> er lol
[05:03] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[05:03] <QueerAsFolk> i know i know now i sound like godsmoke
[05:03] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[05:06] <QueerAsFolk> night guys and gals...nerds and geeks
[05:06] <stisev> nighty
[05:07] <QueerAsFolk> bon jour tsunammis 
[05:07] <tsunammis> bonjours
[05:08] <tsunammis> vous ete anglais ?
[05:09] <QueerAsFolk> oui
[05:09] <tsunammis> d'accord
[05:10] <QueerAsFolk> Etes vous Francias?
[05:11] <tsunammis> oui
[05:11] <tsunammis> but my english is bad !
[05:11] <tsunammis> Mais j'ai envie d'apprendre l'anglais
[05:13] <twidget> there is apparently no package named flashplayer-mozilla
[05:14] <QueerAsFolk> try the the other way around
[05:15] <twidget> invalid operation
[05:15] <QueerAsFolk> mmm
[05:17] <QueerAsFolk> il y a une classe anglaise pres de vous?
[05:17] <QueerAsFolk> sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[05:18] <QueerAsFolk> au revoir mes ami
[05:21] <twidget> okay... there's a whole bunch of mozilla- and mozilla-firefox- packages in kynaptic, but no flashplayer
[05:21] <QueerAsFolk> did you add any new repositories or are you working with the standard repositories listing?
[05:22] <QueerAsFolk> tsunammis: Pouvoior vous a un jour merveilleux demain.
[05:23] <QueerAsFolk> twidget: did you add any new repositories or are you working with the standard repositories listing?
[05:23] <twidget> I added the repositories at http://ubuntuguide.org
[05:24] <QueerAsFolk> let me dcc you a good sources.list
[05:24] <QueerAsFolk> do you know how to edit it
[05:24] <QueerAsFolk> you know cd /etc/apt and then from term type sudo pico sources.list
[05:25] <twidget> yes, I can edit it
[05:25] <twidget> couldn't I just overwrite it with yours, though?
[05:27] <QueerAsFolk> yes
[05:27] <QueerAsFolk> dcc is not working
[05:27] <QueerAsFolk> is it
[05:28] <twidget> yeah, I see
[05:28] <QueerAsFolk> k
[05:28] <QueerAsFolk> it is in openoffice
[05:28] <twidget> my e-mail is charles@charlesstricklin.com
[05:29] <twidget> Although Thunderbird and I are having a spat, at current.
[05:29] <QueerAsFolk> oniots way
[05:29] <QueerAsFolk> onits way
[05:30] <QueerAsFolk> night gang
[05:30] <monchy> night queer
[05:31] <QueerAsFolk> beunos tardes mi amigos y amigas!
[05:31] <QueerAsFolk> I may be queer....but always remeber this...I am out....proud...and loud!
[05:32] <twidget> got it
[05:32] <QueerAsFolk> great!
[05:32] <QueerAsFolk> lol
[05:32] <QueerAsFolk> you want me...you know you do
[05:33] <monchy> i'd rather drink bleach
[05:33] <QueerAsFolk> LOL
[05:33] <QueerAsFolk> night gang
[05:33] <FoamY_is_AwaY> night dear
[05:35] <twidget> bye, thanks
[05:35] <twidget> brb
[05:37] <FoamY_is_AwaY> and send me an email damnit
[05:41] <godsmoke> ...
[05:41] <FoamY_is_AwaY> ^_^
[05:45] <FoamY_is_AwaY> i'm drunk
[05:46] <FoamY_is_AwaY> barcadi 151 does that to you >.<
[06:09] <FoamY_is_wiccan> anyone here broadcast with shoutcast?
[06:18] <FoamY_is_wiccan> whats the command to install vmware
[06:19] <seth_k> sudo give_$189_to_emc
[06:19] <seth_k> :D
[06:21] <seth_k> no, seriously now, after you buy it, you just run the install file
[06:26] <FoamY_is_wiccan> buy it why?
[06:26] <FoamY_is_wiccan> i just hacked it >.<
[06:26] <FoamY_is_wiccan> it's easyer for really poor people
[06:31] <seth_k> rolleye
[06:34] <FoamY_is_wiccan> why?
[06:34] <FoamY_is_wiccan> not everyone has money you know
[06:34] <FoamY_is_wiccan> some people are actually legitimatly poor >.<
[06:41] <godsmoke> FoamY_is_wiccan: "hacked it"?
[06:41] <FoamY_is_wiccan> yes
[06:41] <FoamY_is_wiccan> i am a windows hacker
[06:41] <FoamY_is_wiccan> and now a linux hacker
[06:41] <godsmoke> and what is that?
[06:41] <FoamY_is_wiccan> only because i'm poor
[06:42] <FoamY_is_wiccan> a person who hacks software to work for free cause there poor
[06:42] <FoamY_is_wiccan> and linux is great which is why i actually feel bad about doin it
[06:42] <godsmoke> doing what?
[06:42] <FoamY_is_wiccan> if it where windows i could give a shit less
[06:42] <crimsun> you have a rather confused set of "morals" ;)
[06:42] <FoamY_is_wiccan> not really if you think about it
[06:43] <godsmoke> how does one make linux free?
[06:43] <FoamY_is_wiccan> windows is a monopoly
[06:43] <godsmoke> I mean -- it's already free
[06:43] <FoamY_is_wiccan> it owns 95% of the market
[06:43] <godsmoke> why do you have to "hack it" to make it free?
[06:43] <FoamY_is_wiccan> and the apps are pricy
[06:43] <FoamY_is_wiccan> linux is free but some apps arnt like vmware
[06:43] <FoamY_is_wiccan> almost 200 dollars us
[06:43] <godsmoke> so -- instead of "hack" -- you mean go online, and find a pirated version, or a crack for it, or a serial number
[06:43] <FoamY_is_wiccan> poor people like me can't afford that 
[06:43] <godsmoke> yeah -- because it cost them a lot of money to make
[06:43] <godsmoke> do then you don't use it
[06:44] <FoamY_is_wiccan> no i mean hack
[06:44] <godsmoke> don't use it then
[06:44] <crimsun> why hack when there are free alternatives?
[06:44] <FoamY_is_wiccan> i don't use others warez
[06:44] <FoamY_is_wiccan> free alternative to vmware?
[06:44] <FoamY_is_wiccan> man i have much to learn
[06:45] <godsmoke> so how did you "hack" vmware?
[06:45] <FoamY_is_wiccan> i used an alogrithm that i developed for windows (surprisingly) that enables you to generate keys for the software
[06:46] <FoamY_is_wiccan> so you can use it beyond the trial
[06:46] <godsmoke> no, you didn't
[06:46] <seth_k> yeah, i'm doubting that
[06:46] <FoamY_is_wiccan> yes i did
[06:46] <godsmoke> it's fairly obvious this is a load of bull
[06:46] <godsmoke> go away
[06:46] <FoamY_is_wiccan> and how do you figure that
[06:46] <seth_k> you can write a rather complicated cracking algorithm, but you don't know how to install vmware?
[06:46] <seth_k> hmmmmmmmmm
[06:46] <FoamY_is_wiccan> i don't take credit for others work
[06:46] <godsmoke> my 6 year old step-sister could tell you're lying out of your ass
[06:47] <FoamY_is_wiccan> i wrote the alogrithem in my windows box where it's easyer
[06:47] <godsmoke> right
[06:47] <seth_k> mm hm
[06:47] <kubuntufan> hello??
[06:47] <godsmoke> bye
[06:47] <FoamY_is_wiccan> and then i use it to generate my keys
[06:47] <FoamY_is_wiccan> you know what 
[06:47] <FoamY_is_wiccan> your being quite mean and i mean that with no disrespect cause i value your help
[06:48] <godsmoke> I couldn't care less if you meant it with disrespect
[06:48] <FoamY_is_wiccan> i understand that
[06:48] <FoamY_is_wiccan> but i am smart enough to know that your better than me at linux and i than you at windows
[06:48] <godsmoke> seriously -- you're lying, everyone knows it -- stop talking about pirating software, and go
[06:48] <arcanistherogue> hey, i have a question
[06:48] <seth_k> sure thing
[06:48] <seth_k> what's up?
[06:48] <arcanistherogue> well
[06:48] <arcanistherogue> you know how you can make the wallpaper cycle?
[06:48] <seth_k> yep
[06:48] <arcanistherogue> is there anyway to make it go smoother
[06:49] <seth_k> btw foamy, if you're not lying, what language did you use and let's see 10 lines of it
[06:49] <FoamY_is_wiccan> godsmoke wether you choose to beleve me or not is irellevent to me i just don't want badd feelings between us
[06:49] <seth_k> arcanis, i don't know of one
[06:49] <FoamY_is_wiccan> cause i value your help when you offer it
[06:49] <arcanistherogue> oh ok
[06:49] <arcanistherogue> thanks though
[06:49] <seth_k> Let me check real quick
[06:49] <seth_k> before you run off
[06:50] <arcanistherogue> oh ok
[06:50] <arcanistherogue> thanks 
[06:50] <FoamY_is_wiccan> i am not here to piss you off godsmoke just to learn what you know
[06:50] <godsmoke> FoamY_is_wiccan: there are no feelings at all between us -- we're not going to be talking
[06:50] <FoamY_is_wiccan> well i'm sorry to have irritated you and i'm sorry that you feel confident enough to 
[06:50] <FoamY_is_wiccan> doubt my hacking skills in windows
[06:51] <godsmoke> bye bye
[06:51] <seth_k> LOL now you're blowing smoke! You won't even honor my request
[06:51] <seth_k> go away
[06:51] <FoamY_is_wiccan> and as for why i brag about it is because i'm proud that i can do these things
[06:51] <FoamY_is_wiccan> in windows
[06:51] <godsmoke> you're not a bad troll
[06:51] <FoamY_is_wiccan> i only wish that i could become as smart as you in linux
[06:51] <seth_k> arcanis, it's not even in the featurerequest list. I would file a bug at bugs.kde.org and mark it as wishlist, and ask for the feature :)
[06:51] <godsmoke> arcanistherogue: you mean you want it to fade?
[06:51] <FoamY_is_wiccan> and if i offrnded you godsmoke i am very sorry and i'm very serious
[06:51] <arcanistherogue> yeah
[06:51] <godsmoke> heh
[06:52] <arcanistherogue> like the mac os x <_<
[06:52] <FoamY_is_wiccan> cause you are smarter than me in linux and i'm not to afraid to admit that
[06:52] <godsmoke> I don't want that feature in kde -- it's bloatware
[06:52] <seth_k> haha
[06:52] <arcanistherogue> i saw it on my friends mac and it looked nifty
[06:52] <FoamY_is_wiccan> i know my limitations
[06:52] <godsmoke> adding those types of features is bad for the market
[06:52] <seth_k> i heart eye candy, i'm not gonna lie
[06:52] <arcanistherogue> what market?
[06:52] <godsmoke> I support keeping them out
[06:52] <seth_k> why? Linux has low bling
[06:52] <godsmoke> the wm market
[06:52] <FoamY_is_wiccan> and buy the way the vmware keys are the same for linux as they are for windows
[06:52] <seth_k> foamy, shush
[06:52] <FoamY_is_wiccan> and i was actually suprised at that
[06:53] <godsmoke> FoamY_is_wiccan: they're not, actually
[06:53] <FoamY_is_wiccan> well i just don't want him to hate me
[06:53] <godsmoke> and I know
[06:53] <godsmoke> because I own vmware
[06:53] <seth_k> we don't want to hear about cracking software, nor do we want to hear you lie about how you wrote a program
[06:53] <seth_k> haha, pwnt
[06:53] <FoamY_is_wiccan> godsmoke yes they are
[06:53] <godsmoke> no, they're not
[06:53] <FoamY_is_wiccan> yes they are
[06:53] <arcanistherogue> well i made this really nifty panel background, is there anywhere i can submit this?
[06:53] <arcanistherogue> it looks really nice
[06:53] <seth_k> Ubuntu Artwork, on the forums?
[06:53] <FoamY_is_wiccan> i am running the same key on both of my computers
[06:53] <arcanistherogue> really?
[06:53] <FoamY_is_wiccan> win and lin
[06:53] <arcanistherogue> hmm
[06:53] <arcanistherogue> lemme look inot that
[06:53] <arcanistherogue> *into
[06:54] <seth_k> yeah, click the Gallery tab up top on the right
[06:54] <seth_k> have a link?
[06:54] <_yasser> how can i remove home config files for desktop settings??
[06:54] <FoamY_is_wiccan> either it's a glitch or something that i did wrong
[06:54] <seth_k> or you're lying
[06:54] <seth_k> :D
[06:54] <FoamY_is_wiccan> either way it works
[06:54] <arcanistherogue> no, it got it
[06:54] <FoamY_is_wiccan> godsmoke may i pm you?
[06:54] <godsmoke> no
[06:54] <FoamY_is_wiccan> k
[06:54] <godsmoke> believe me -- it doesn't ...
[06:54] <godsmoke> I own vmware for linux
[06:54] <godsmoke> I've tried using the key on the windows version
[06:55] <godsmoke> it absolutely does not work
[06:55] <FoamY_is_wiccan> i swear the same key i use for linux that i use for windows
[06:55] <godsmoke> go away
[06:55] <FoamY_is_wiccan> then it's a glitch
[06:55] <godsmoke> heh
[06:55] <godsmoke> welcome to ignore
[06:55] <FoamY_is_wiccan> but it works and i swear to that
[06:55] <seth_k> i second the ignore
[06:55] <FoamY_is_wiccan> i woulden't make up something like that man
[06:55] <FoamY_is_wiccan> well then fuck you ignorant bastards for doubting me
[06:56] <seth_k> godsmoke, why do you think eyecandy is bad? if there's a pref to turn it off, isn't it better to try to $bling++ and attract more users?
[06:56] <godsmoke> building it into a wm is bad
[06:56] <arcanistherogue> hey, seth_k, i need your help
[06:57] <godsmoke> if people want to create some add-on ... go ahead
[06:57] <seth_k> phillip = FoamY btw
[06:57] <godsmoke> but I don't want the code in my system
[06:57] <seth_k> hmm
[06:57] <phillip> yea this is my other name yes
[06:57] <arcanistherogue> i accidentally submitted it twice
[06:57] <seth_k> the bug?
[06:57] <godsmoke> seth_k: obviously -- that's why I have his hostname on ignore, not the nick
[06:57] <phillip> but why?
[06:57] <arcanistherogue> how do i unsubmit it?
[06:57] <arcanistherogue> no, the thing on the kde art
[06:57] <phillip> i don't understand what i did wrong
[06:57] <seth_k> ah
[06:57] <arcanistherogue> i thought it didnt post, and that was a preview
[06:58] <arcanistherogue> so i decided to check if it worked
[06:58] <phillip> and it's really unfair of you to treat me like this
[06:58] <arcanistherogue> then i checked home
[06:58] <arcanistherogue> and it was there twice
[06:58] <phillip> i have done nothing wrong to you
[06:58] <phillip> and i have not disrespected you untill my last comment
[06:58] <seth_k> yeah
[06:58] <phillip> and if you continue to ignore me that just means that you immature little pricks
[06:59] <seth_k> i've never used the gallery myself, so if you can't find a way to delete an image, just hit the "report to moderator" link on one of them and explain what happened
[06:59] <seth_k> no big deal :)
[06:59] <phillip> who don't have any concern for anyone but yourseves
[06:59] <twidget> okay! Now, if I could just get  flash installed into firefox!
[06:59] <arcanistherogue> so where is the moderator button?
[06:59] <seth_k> click Image Tools in the top right
[06:59] <seth_k> it's the last option
[07:00] <phillip> i actually liked you both seth_k and godsmoke cause you helped me
[07:00] <crimsun> phillip: let me make this clear: (1) follow the Ubuntu Code of Conduct; (2) we do not condone piracy; (3) trolling is frowned upon; (3) grammatically coherent English really aids an argument
[07:00] <phillip> it's really insulting that you doubt me
[07:00] <phillip> crimsun i was not aware of these things i apologize for any disrespect
[07:01] <phillip> and what is trolling?
[07:01] <phillip> and i understand that you do not like warez mentiond here and i apologize for that also
[07:02] <phillip> i just don't like when people doubt me
[07:02] <phillip> cause i don't lie
[07:02] <seth_k> I like the panel bg, arcanistherogue :)
[07:03] <arcanistherogue> yup
[07:03] <arcanistherogue> i like mine 48 pixels tall
[07:03] <arcanistherogue> same on all OS's
[07:03] <Church_of_foamy> crimsun what is trolling?
[07:03] <Church_of_foamy> i don't understand that term.
[07:04] <seth_k> me too
[07:04] <seth_k> beh, the last breezy upgrade borked my cursors
[07:04] <Church_of_foamy> seth_k whats the diffrence between brezzy and hoary?
[07:05] <seth_k> arcanis, i backported gimp 2.2.8 today if you use backports
[07:05] <seth_k> it's in staging
[07:06] <arcanistherogue> hmm
[07:06] <arcanistherogue> i use em
[07:06] <Church_of_foamy> seth_k thank for igonoring me man i don't know what i did to deserve it
[07:07] <twidget> the Flash player can't run on x64?!?
[07:08] <seth_k> nope
[07:08] <seth_k> there is a tutorial on the forums for running a 32-bit copy of Firefox
[07:08] <seth_k> but meh
[07:08] <twidget> well... dirty words!!!
[07:08] <seth_k> haha :D
[07:08] <kalenedrael> i don't think my gcc can even compile 32-bit programs
[07:08] <twidget> crap
[07:08] <kalenedrael> nor can my system run them
[07:08] <seth_k> go yell at Macromedia, we all have
[07:08] <seth_k> they don't care
[07:09] <seth_k> hence there still not being a Linux Shockwave, even for 32-bit
[07:09] <seth_k> :/
[07:09] <kalenedrael> i have a 100% 64-bit system...
[07:09] <twidget> what's the address for the forums?
[07:10] <kalenedrael> (well, i bet there is some obscure 32-bit binary file somewhere on this disk, but not one that will ever get used)
[07:10] <seth_k> http://ubuntuforums.org
[07:10] <seth_k> look at the Hoary How-Tos
[07:10] <twidget> seth_k: thanks
[07:10] <seth_k> not a problem, I feel your pain
[07:11] <arcanistherogue> man kde owns
[07:11] <arcanistherogue> it looks so nice
[07:11] <seth_k> you know it
[07:11] <arcanistherogue> i hated gnome
[07:11] <arcanistherogue> i never would use linux, now i only switch to play games
[07:12] <seth_k> I use whatever tool is appropriate for the task
[07:12] <arcanistherogue> hey i have a question though
[07:12] <Church_of_foamy> godsmoke can you eve read what i'm saying or did you block me?
[07:12] <arcanistherogue> i have an nvidia 6600 , a pretty good card
[07:12] <seth_k> so I switch for page layout stuff in InDesign, for games, for a stats program
[07:12] <Church_of_foamy> the same for seth_k
[07:12] <seth_k> mmm, indeed. gimmie
[07:12] <seth_k> Ti 4200 here :P
[07:13] <arcanistherogue> but when i use those screensavers
[07:13] <seth_k> s/4200/4400
[07:13] <seth_k> the GL ones?
[07:13] <arcanistherogue> it lags 
[07:13] <arcanistherogue> yeah
[07:13] <seth_k> yeah
[07:13] <arcanistherogue> horribly
[07:13] <arcanistherogue> but i can run HL2 at high settings
[07:13] <seth_k> with cedega?
[07:13] <seth_k> or in windows
[07:13] <arcanistherogue> windows
[07:13] <seth_k> ok, phew
[07:13] <kalenedrael> shitty drivers
[07:13] <seth_k> post a glxgears output for me
[07:13] <arcanistherogue> <_<
[07:13] <arcanistherogue> how do i do that?
[07:14] <seth_k> just type glxgears in a terminal
[07:14] <seth_k> :)
[07:14] <seth_k> and let it run a bit
[07:14] <arcanistherogue> oh ok
[07:14] <seth_k> it'll output rates
[07:14] <kalenedrael> glxgears, then copy the FPS over :P
[07:14] <kalenedrael> yes
[07:14] <Church_of_foamy> crimsun you there?
[07:14] <twidget> I do a lot of web development (XHTML, CSS, etc.) using WordPress. On the Windows side, I used Dreamweaver. What do you folks prefer to use?
[07:14] <arcanistherogue> wait that didnt work
[07:14] <arcanistherogue> maybe i need to install it
[07:14] <Church_of_foamy> i need to talk to someone to see if i'm wrong
[07:14] <seth_k> Quanta+
[07:14] <Church_of_foamy> and if i am i can accept that
[07:14] <seth_k> it's very much like DreamWeaver
[07:15] <arcanistherogue> what does that do?
[07:15] <Church_of_foamy> whats dreamweaver?
[07:15] <arcanistherogue> its a WYSIWYG editor
[07:15] <arcanistherogue> i dont like it.
[07:15] <Church_of_foamy> thats for html pages?
[07:15] <arcanistherogue> afk
[07:15] <twidget> yes, and PHP
[07:15] <Church_of_foamy> oh nice
[07:16] <twidget> I really only used it for the code hints
[07:16] <Church_of_foamy> i have an html learning program on cd but i think it's too old
[07:16] <Church_of_foamy> i bought it at the savation army
[07:16] <Church_of_foamy> salvation even
[07:16] <twidget>  you know... I'd start a tag and it would suggest what came next
[07:16] <seth_k> Quanta+ is definitely what you want, especially since you're already using KDE
[07:16] <Church_of_foamy> it's kinda nice but i think it's old
[07:17] <seth_k> arcanis, glxgears didn't work?
[07:18] <twidget> for some reason, the arts package isn't upgrading
[07:19] <Church_of_foamy> seth_k and godsmoke i don't know if you can read this but i apologize for any disrespect that i may have caused you and i meant no harm by what i have said..i am genually sorry and value your help abouve me being right
[07:19] <Church_of_foamy> which is less important then me learning from you linux
[07:20] <Church_of_foamy> if i made you angry then again you have my humblest most sencerest apologys
[07:21] <aseigo> there's also nvu if quanta isn't your thang
[07:21] <seth_k> oh dear
[07:21] <aseigo> not that i've tried nvu. just seen it =) quanta or plain ol' kwrite is all i need =)
[07:21] <seth_k> spare me from the wrath of mozilla-composer-slapped-into-another-shape
[07:21] <aseigo> hahaahaha
[07:22] <seth_k> nvu isn't bad, but quanta makes it look sick :D
[07:22] <twidget> Jeez, it's 12:30
[07:22] <seth_k> 12:22
[07:23] <seth_k> I still need to blog
[07:23] <twidget> I've got to go back to work tomorrow morning ::groan::
[07:23] <twidget> what's your blog?
[07:23] <seth_k> http://sethkinast.com/blog/
[07:23] <seth_k> I just got back from vacation
[07:23] <seth_k> in el Mexico
[07:23] <twidget> mine is http://charlesstricklin.com
[07:23] <seth_k> and brought Montezuma and his Revenge back with me :D
[07:24] <twidget> I just got back from vacation last week also, and I also got viral gastrowhateveritisis...
[07:24] <twidget> They had to pump a full IV bag into me
[07:24] <arcanistherogue> ive been here all week
[07:24] <arcanistherogue> and last week
[07:24] <arcanistherogue> ;_;
[07:25] <seth_k> hehe
[07:25] <arcanistherogue> mmm but i have a cheese sandwich
[07:25] <seth_k> arcanis, see if nvidia-glx is installed
[07:25] <seth_k> it's the nvidia drivers
[07:26] <arcanistherogue> which nvidia-glx
[07:26] <arcanistherogue> right?
[07:26] <arcanistherogue> or not
[07:26] <arcanistherogue> <_<
[07:26] <twidget> Okay... beddy-bye time
[07:26] <seth_k> night night
[07:26] <twidget> thanks for the pointers
[07:26] <seth_k> um, there should just be a package called "nvidia-glx"
[07:26] <arcanistherogue> oh
[07:26] <arcanistherogue> ok
[07:27] <arcanistherogue> under what section?
[07:29] <arcanistherogue> in kynaptic
[07:29] <seth_k> no idea, I just search
[07:29] <seth_k> CTRL + F
[07:29] <arcanistherogue> no,its not installed
[07:29] <arcanistherogue> lemme do that now
[07:29] <seth_k> Miscellaneous - Graphical (restricted)
[07:29] <seth_k> boom, that'll do ya
[07:30] <arcanistherogue> thanks alot for all yuor help
[07:30] <arcanistherogue> your alot more helpful then my elitist linux friend
[07:30] <arcanistherogue> he just laughs at all my problems ;_;
[07:30] <seth_k> hehe
[07:30] <seth_k> that's what the spirit of Ubuntu is all about
[07:30] <seth_k> helping people
[07:31] <arcanistherogue> word
[07:31] <seth_k> I try to spend 10 hours a week on IRC and in the forums
[07:31] <seth_k> it's cool, really... I've had all these same problems, and people helped me then
[07:31] <arcanistherogue> heh
[07:31] <arcanistherogue> thats nifty
[07:31] <seth_k> now, when others have the problems, I can return the favor
[07:31] <seth_k> :)
[07:31] <arcanistherogue> you know what?
[07:32] <arcanistherogue> pizza goldfish taste nothing like pizza.
[07:32] <seth_k> LOL
[07:32] <seth_k> deep thoughts, with arcanistherogue
[07:32] <arcanistherogue> yup.
[07:32] <unome> seth_k: for how long you've been using *nix?
[07:32] <seth_k> unome, about 3 years
[07:32] <arcanistherogue> 2 months for me
[07:33] <arcanistherogue> err actually now its about 3
[07:33] <seth_k> unome, as my primary OS only since the middle of '04 though
[07:33] <arcanistherogue> i use windows XP pro
[07:33] <seth_k> I'm sorry
[07:33] <arcanistherogue> but thats just because i use PS and gmae alot
[07:33] <seth_k> :P nah, I do too
[07:33] <unome> I used linux like 3 years ago mainly RH and mandrake, about a month ago I discovered Ubuntu and never looked back .. 
[07:34] <arcanistherogue> i use linux for programming though
[07:34] <unome> I'm doing some extensive reading trying to catch up
[07:35] <arcanistherogue> falsely advertised goldfish :\
[07:35] <seth_k> very deep, aseigo. but how do you know that you exist?
[07:35] <seth_k> :D
[07:35] <aseigo> seth_k: i realize that i don't know for certain, which probably means i do.
[07:36] <aseigo> (exist that is)
[07:36] <arcanistherogue> well i dont know you exist.
[07:36] <seth_k> hehe
[07:36] <aseigo> arcanistherogue: fortunately you're not particularly relevant to my existence ;)
[07:37] <unome> your existence is only defined by your perception then?
[07:37] <arcanistherogue> :(
[07:37] <seth_k> the hive mind O_O
[07:37] <seth_k> hmm, definitely #kubuntu
[07:37] <aseigo> unome: no, the probability of my existence is heightened by the virtue of my having perception
[07:38] <arcanistherogue> dangnabit i dont have my ubuntu 5.04 disc...
[07:38] <arcanistherogue> i cant wait for those discs i order to come
[07:38] <seth_k> me too
[07:38] <seth_k> i got 15
[07:38] <seth_k> i think they're all already spoken for
[07:38] <arcanistherogue> i bet ill get em way after breezy is outdated >_>
[07:38] <seth_k> :/
[07:39] <monchy> well you'll probably get them by the time breezy launches
[07:39] <arcanistherogue> i ordered...10 for i386, 10 for 64 bit, 2 mac ones
[07:39] <seth_k> heh
[07:40] <unome> can't you just burn'em?
[07:41] <monchy> that's all i do, just get RW's for the distros i use
[07:41] <arcanistherogue> that would be too convinient
[07:42] <monchy> yea its nice that media is so cheap now days
[07:43] <unome> no kidding and this is ridata 48x
[07:44] <unome> yeah you should start visiting places like hardforum.com where peeps talk about nothing but the egg deals hehe 
[07:45] <seth_k> sleepy time here, night all
[07:45] <unome> nite seth_k 
[07:45] <monchy> night
[07:45] <arcanistherogue> k
[07:45] <arcanistherogue> cya later seth
[07:45] <seth_k> arcanis, hit me up later if nvidia-glx doesn't work magic :P
[07:45] <arcanistherogue> heh
[07:46] <unome> what card are you using anyway
[07:46] <arcanistherogue> 6600
[07:46] <unome> GT OC?
[07:47] <arcanistherogue> na
[07:47] <arcanistherogue> just regular
[07:48] <unome> I got the same card, from BFG
[07:48] <arcanistherogue> hmm
[07:48] <arcanistherogue> i have one form A-Open
[07:49] <arcanistherogue> O_O
[07:49] <unome> PCI?
[07:49] <godsmoke> pci-e, you mean?
[07:49] <unome> yeah they come PCI Expres anyway
[07:50] <godsmoke> there is no pci version
[07:50] <arcanistherogue> do they have em in agp 8x?
[07:50] <godsmoke> pci-e is not even close to the same as pci
[07:50] <unome> I I dont think so
[07:50] <arcanistherogue> oh no ;
[07:50] <arcanistherogue> *;_;
[07:50] <arcanistherogue> well i guess ill just get a 6800
[07:50] <godsmoke> arcanistherogue: no
[07:50] <godsmoke> waste of money
[07:50] <arcanistherogue> why?
[07:51] <godsmoke> because it's not much less than a 7800 -- and it's quite a bit slower
[07:51] <godsmoke> buying a 6800 is a sucker buy at this point
[07:51] <arcanistherogue> hmm
[07:51] <unome> godsmoke: your card is like $600, are you a hardcore gamer or something
[07:51] <godsmoke> unome: actually, the system that it's in has two of them -- 3d work
[07:52] <arcanistherogue> O_O
[07:52] <arcanistherogue> oh dear god
[07:53] <arcanistherogue> its so bueatiful
[07:53] <arcanistherogue> well, i think im gonna go to sleep now guys
[07:53] <arcanistherogue> good night.
[07:53] <unome> nite
[07:54] <godsmoke> browsers are such a pain these day
[07:54] <godsmoke> days*
[07:54] <unome> why?
[07:54] <godsmoke> heh
[07:55] <godsmoke> well, none of the browser options are wonderful
[07:55] <godsmoke> and that's a problem
[07:55] <godsmoke> each has serious drawbacks
[07:55] <unome> ff has extentions, opera isnt bad ..
[07:56] <godsmoke> firefox is gtk
[07:56] <godsmoke> opera is mess
[07:56] <godsmoke> opera barely even loads half of the important plugins
[07:56] <unome> hehe
[07:56] <godsmoke> not to mention it's not free
[07:56] <godsmoke> konqueror can't open 20% of popular websites properly
[07:57] <unome> nah forget about konqueror, I never use it
[07:57] <godsmoke> oh -- it would be fine if they could build some IE emulation into it
[07:57] <godsmoke> support all the non-standard and crap tags
[07:57] <unome> I betcha lynx open all pages eh
[07:57] <godsmoke> I would far prefer konqueror over the other options if they could get that down
[07:58] <godsmoke> hey -- I don't blame them for not making it a priority -- I wouldn't want to write the IE-specific code either
[07:59] <unome> the web should be taken back, it's not the browses it's the coding. IE has what, like 90%
[07:59] <godsmoke> huh?
[08:00] <godsmoke> well, that statistic includes every random user who has windows 98 ... I mean, it's worthless
[08:00] <godsmoke> who cares about normal people
[08:00] <unome> hehe
[08:00] <godsmoke> obviously, most people use IE
[08:00] <godsmoke> but that's not my concern
[08:00] <godsmoke> if IE could stick to some standards -- we wouldn't have problems
[08:03] <aseigo> what 80% of popular websites doesn't konqueror work on exactly?
[08:04] <aseigo> we, 20%, soryr
[08:04] <godsmoke> uh ...
[08:04] <godsmoke> what 20%?
[08:04] <godsmoke> 20% -- it's an approximation
[08:04] <aseigo> yes.. what 20% .. e.g. which popular websites does it have issues with?
[08:04] <godsmoke> I don't remember off-hand -- I tried Konq for about a day
[08:04] <godsmoke> and couldn't work
[08:04] <godsmoke> none of my banks work with it
[08:04] <godsmoke> gmail refuses to do much with it
[08:05] <godsmoke> many of my travel companies
[08:05] <godsmoke> as well as financial websites
[08:05] <aseigo> gmail actually sends a special page these days to konq
[08:05] <aseigo> did you try switching UA on any of those sites? that's often all it takes.
[08:05] <godsmoke> yes, I had it set on IE
[08:05] <aseigo> not always, but often.
[08:05] <godsmoke> this was not a "we do not support your browser" problem
[08:05] <godsmoke> this was a -- some links don't work, some graphics don't show up -- text cut off
[08:05] <godsmoke> so forth
[08:06] <godsmoke> ie specific tag nonsense
[08:06] <aseigo> well, no. many broken websites execute different js based on the browser UA.. nothing to do with supported or not
[08:06] <godsmoke> anyway -- I had it set to IE
[08:06] <aseigo> and did you try a Moz UA?
[08:06] <godsmoke> no
[08:07] <aseigo> out of curiosity, which version of kde were you using, btw? 
[08:07] <godsmoke> anyway -- there were plenty of troubles -- I doubt they can all be attributed to ua-specific js
[08:07] <aseigo> doubt is a funny thing. =)
[08:07] <godsmoke> 3.4.1
[08:07] <aseigo> which travel sites? just so i can go test and see what the problem might be?
[08:08] <godsmoke> I don't remember which specifically
[08:08] <godsmoke> I believe Travelocity was one -- it wasn't entire sites -- it was specific buttons, or features I couldn't get to
[08:09] <godsmoke> there's a Mozilla UA by default
[08:09] <godsmoke> so that obviously didn't fix anything
[08:10] <unome> aseigo: btw, how do I get java to work with Konqueror?
[08:11] <aseigo> unome: install a java vm and make sure the java binary is pointed to in the Java config page in konqi
[08:11] <godsmoke> crap, 2:30am already
[08:12] <godsmoke> well, close
[08:12] <aseigo> godsmoke: now, it's completely possible that you did run into a number of problems. i'm not trying to discount your experience, but it is nice to know what the problems are
[08:12] <godsmoke> well, I didn't have hours to wade through pages of js crap to find out exactly what functions weren't working and preventing buttons and suich
[08:12] <aseigo> .. and it does occur from time to time that supposed problems with konqi turn out to be not such big problems upon investigation others
[08:12] <aseigo> uh huh
[08:13] <godsmoke> citibank just flat out didn't work
[08:14] <godsmoke> plugger looks good, actually
[08:14] <godsmoke> for use with opera
[08:14] <aseigo> hrm. that's a hard one to test w/out ana n ccouttheer. =)
[08:14] <godsmoke> they recommend it
[08:14] <aseigo> er, an account there
[08:14] <unome> I have it installed, just had to point it, thx.
[08:14] <aseigo> the actual website up to loging in (various menus and what not) work however
[08:15] <aseigo> unome: np
[08:15] <godsmoke> right -- but the login systems for those banking websites are always very complex 10-deep redirects and such
[08:15] <godsmoke> it's quite messy
[08:15] <godsmoke> commerce bank worked, I remember that
[08:15] <godsmoke> I don't know if chase did
[08:15] <mrmanic> bank of america works.
[08:16] <unome> https://www.householdaccount.com:443/gm/CustomerCare?chkCk=check
[08:16] <unome> see if it works for you
[08:17] <godsmoke> on what browser?
[08:17] <unome> konqi
[08:17] <godsmoke> it doesn't work on anything
[08:17] <aseigo> godsmoke: i've found some issues reported with kde 3.1 and citibank (unconfirmed though) but otherwise a fair number of "success!" reports
[08:17] <godsmoke> uniq: tested it on IE, Opera, Firefox
[08:18] <godsmoke> all complained about not accepting cookies
[08:18] <godsmoke> which is certainly wrong
[08:19] <godsmoke> bbiab
[08:19] <unome> go to sears.com and click on sears credit (left side) on konqi, the page never loads.
[08:20] <SpecialBuddy> where is device manager
[08:20] <unome> kcontrol I think
[08:20] <SpecialBuddy> ok
[08:21] <mrmanic> SpecialBuddy: what are you trying to do?  
[08:21] <SpecialBuddy> want to see my hardware
[08:21] <unome> what hardware?
[08:22] <unome> lshw should tell you about your hardware
[08:22] <SpecialBuddy> everything 
[08:22] <unome> sudo lshw
[08:22] <aseigo> unome: it loads just fine here
[08:22] <unome> aseigo: weird
[08:23] <aseigo> not the fastest site in the world (what with it's multiple redirects to finally land on an ssl site) but it renders perfectly
[08:23] <SpecialBuddy> do you usually have to install drivers for video cards after you install kubuntu
[08:24] <aseigo> SpecialBuddy: not in my experience..
[08:24] <mrmanic> unome: it loads ok here too, if a little slowly
[08:24] <aseigo> SpecialBuddy: if you want the close source nvidia drivers, for instance, you will have to though
[08:24] <unome> my konqi must be messed up then :(
[08:25] <SpecialBuddy> because I keep getting a wine error and I think it's because I need the drivers for my video card
[08:26] <unome> ATI or nVidia?
[08:26] <SpecialBuddy> ATI
[08:26] <unome> is it listed when you do lspci?
[08:26] <aseigo> SpecialBuddy: what's the error?
[08:26] <mrmanic> fglrx has a long way to go.
[08:26] <unome> no doubt
[08:27] <aseigo> unome: i'd suggest starting w/the error =) somehow i find it doubtful that a wine error resolves to an x window driver problem ;)
[08:27] <SpecialBuddy> DIrect Draw Error
[08:27] <aseigo> yeah, that has nothing to do with your video driver
[08:27] <aseigo> and everything to do with the version of wine you installed
[08:27] <unome> aseigo: right on.
[08:28] <aseigo> unome: spend a few years on a project's bugzilla and you get pretty good at this ;)
[08:28] <aseigo> anyways. time for bed.
[08:28] <mrmanic> SpecialBuddy: wine doesn't include directx, IIRC.  winex and transgaming wine do, I believe.
[08:28] <SpecialBuddy> well I'm just trying to play starcraft
[08:28] <SpecialBuddy> so I need to get directX
[08:29] <mrmanic> SpecialBuddy: no, you need to get winex or transgaming wine, I think.
[08:29] <SpecialBuddy> that costs money right
[08:29] <mrmanic> transgaming does.
[08:29] <mrmanic> actually
[08:29] <unome> what is it like mrmanic, $5/month or something like that?
[08:29] <mrmanic> I seem to remember running starcraft in a window before.
[08:29] <mrmanic> yeah, I believe it's $5 a month
[08:30] <SpecialBuddy> how do you run it in a window
[08:31] <SpecialBuddy> because it keeps saying that I don't have the right color settings and the right resolution
[08:31] <mrmanic> SpecialBuddy: http://koti.mbnet.fi/~hoppq/sc-howto.html
[08:32] <mrmanic> SpecialBuddy: that was the first google result.
[08:32] <unome> hey what's the path to ff profiles?
[08:32] <mrmanic> unome: it changes.
[08:33] <SpecialBuddy> I tried this earlier but didn't really get it
[08:33] <mrmanic> unome: ~/.mozilla/firefox/
[08:34] <unome> thx
[08:34] <mrmanic> SpecialBuddy: you won't be able to play online, according to the howto
[08:34] <SpecialBuddy> really?
[08:34] <mrmanic> Battle.net is known not to work well with Wine, and modem/direct connect probably don't work either.
[08:35] <SpecialBuddy> well I can't get it to work anyway
[08:36] <mrmanic> I think your best bet is actually a wine channel rather than this one
[08:36] <SpecialBuddy> ok
[08:36] <SpecialBuddy> thanks
[08:37] <SpecialBuddy> no one is in the wine channel
[08:37] <mrmanic> btw, I'm pretty sure my belief about wine vs winex is wrong
[08:37] <mrmanic> :\
[08:38] <mrmanic> SpecialBuddy: try #winehq
[08:38] <mrmanic> eh?
[08:38] <mrmanic> wtf?
[08:44] <_cory> whats up guys
[09:26] <Borg^Queen> Hey people. Anyone here running an Athlon 2000 xp?
[10:23] <Chameleon22> hello all
[11:40] <Firetech> whoops.
[11:41] <Firetech> that wasn't  really my intention, if it happened to more people than me...
[11:41] <Firetech> I.E. cleared the topic...
[11:42] <nikkia> Firetech: yes, it did
[11:42] <Firetech> I'm sorry, I thought /topic would show me the topic...
[11:43] <Firetech> Why don't you have +t
[11:44] <hairyhobbit> Firetech, no problem
[11:44] <hairyhobbit> Firetech, I don't know, it's not my channel.
[11:48] <Firetech> yay, now I have a "show me the topic" alias (/t)...
[11:52] <nikkia> morning Brydenn[WU] 
[11:55] <nikkia> oh christ...
[11:55] <nikkia> uniq, are you around ???
[11:57] <nikkia> ah, nm
[12:54] <yarpen> hi
[12:55] <yarpen> are who's from poland here??
[01:02] <malte> :D
[01:41] <DocTomoe> Excuse me ... where exactly do I find the Ubuntu Sparkle wallpaper used by Gnome in Breezy? I'd love to have this in KDE, but I cannot find the file...
[01:44] <nikkia> ubuntu-artwork ?
[01:44] <nikkia> that'd be my guess anyway
[01:45] <DocTomoe> Well, yeah. But that is an package name, not a place in the directory structure. Where does ubuntu-artwork live when installed?
[01:45] <nikkia> all over the place :P
[01:45] <nikkia> use apt-file to list the contents of a package
[01:45] <malte> check with dpkg -L ubuntu-artwork
[01:46] <nikkia> this is probably what you're looking for tho:
[01:46] <nikkia> ubuntu-artwork: usr/share/pixmaps/splash/ubuntu-sparkles.png
[01:46] <DocTomoe> jupp, that is the gnome splash screen ... but not the wallpaper ;)
[01:47] <nikkia> then its obviously called something without 'sparkles' in the name, without knowing the filename, its rather hard to track it down
[01:47] <nikkia> or rather, 'without 'spark' in the filename'
[01:48] <nikkia> its likely in /usr/share/wallpapers tho
[01:48] <DocTomoe> well, there *is* some directory "/usr/share/backgrounds" (why didn't this one occur to me earlier?)
[01:49] <DocTomoe> gotcha ;) 
[01:49] <DocTomoe> t'is in /usr/share/backgrounds
[01:50] <nikkia> ahh, that bg, was never a fan of having THAT much brown on my screen anyway :)
[02:20] <aspro> Grrr
[02:20] <aspro> the ubuntu gods are set against me
[02:25] <Poromies> why so?
[02:30] <dreumah> high
[02:31] <dreumah> my amarok isnt playing my mp3s
[02:31] <dreumah> anyhelp
[02:35] <aspro> every single time I try to install it on my powerbook, SOMETHING goes wrong
[02:35] <aspro> luckily, the live cd works a charm
[02:35] <dreumah> amarok mp3s why isnt it playing?
[02:36] <aspro> hmm, dunno?
[02:36] <dreumah> it says no engine
[02:36] <dreumah> which one should i download?
[03:26] <samuelk> how do i gett kernel-source file?
[03:44] <m-fox> "sudo apt-get install linux-sources-2.6.10" for example
[04:01] <_pavel> hello
[04:30] <truijllo> #kubuntu chi d'ha fattu! sattiri a sattiri !
[05:12] <gerardo> Che si dice ?
[05:13] <truijllo> in kubuntu ? boh ... la possibilita' di parlare italiano qua tutto sommato e' ristretta ;)
[05:13] <gerardo> Allora sono capitato nel posto sbagliato!!
[05:15] <truijllo> ;)
[06:16] <doctor> yo
[06:17] <doctor_salvia> weeeeeee
[06:19] <seth_k> mmm, we're all so coherent early in the morning
[06:44] <nikkia> morning? its 17:45!!
[06:45] <nikkia> oh *(&*(!
[06:45] <nikkia> my work PC only has 800MB of disk free
[07:12] <osh> What's the command to find out what package contains the wx-config file? "apt-cache search" and then what? search only appears to find packages...
[07:14] <godsmoke> apt-cache holds a database of packages, not package contents
[07:15] <godsmoke> http://packages.ubuntu.com/ is a good place to search package contents because it's always updated -- but if you wish to do those searches on your own computer, you need apt-file
[07:16] <osh> godsmoke: found apt-file but it didn't help much. will have a look at packages.ubuntu.com thanks.
[07:16] <godsmoke> it does EXACTLY what you asked about
[07:16] <godsmoke> I use it every day
[07:18] <osh> godsmoke: I stand corrected. It did what I asked. =)
[07:18] <osh> Weird thing is though. I do have the manfile for wx-config but not the command itself. :-/
[07:20] <mcquaid> is khotkeys totally borked?
[07:26] <nikkia> mcquaid: probably
[07:26] <nikkia> it was last time i tried it, about 3 years ago
[07:27] <nikkia> and development of it seemed to be dead then.... so i don't imagine its improved much
[07:28] <mcquaid> any other way of getting gestures in konq?
[07:28] <mcquaid> mouse that is
[07:32] <EiGHTBALLx> if i install kubuntu using apt-get will i still be able to access gnome (like via gnome-seesion)?
[07:35] <_m0ns00n> Yrds
[07:35] <_m0ns00n> Yes
[07:36] <_m0ns00n> Of course
[07:36] <EiGHTBALLx> and also can i still use gnome apps?
[07:36] <_m0ns00n> Also, you can get kubuntu through ubuntu etc.
[07:36] <_m0ns00n> Just add the sources.
[07:36] <_m0ns00n> Of course.
[07:36] <EiGHTBALLx> great
[07:36] <_m0ns00n> It's all available in universe/multiverse
[07:36] <EiGHTBALLx> thanx for your gelp
[07:36] <_m0ns00n> Just add those sources.
[07:36] <_m0ns00n> No problem
[07:37] <EiGHTBALLx> so the command is :  sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop   i have all repositories in my sources.list
[07:38] <yahalom> how can i find out my gateway ip?
[07:40] <EiGHTBALLx> sudo apt-get install  kubuntu-desktop  brings this error!
[07:40] <EiGHTBALLx> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[07:40] <EiGHTBALLx> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[07:40] <EiGHTBALLx> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[07:40] <EiGHTBALLx> or been moved out of Incoming.
[07:40] <EiGHTBALLx> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
[07:40] <EiGHTBALLx> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
[07:40] <EiGHTBALLx> that package should be filed.
[07:40] <EiGHTBALLx> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[07:40] <EiGHTBALLx> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:40] <EiGHTBALLx>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: konversation but it is not going to be installed
[07:40] <EiGHTBALLx> E: Broken packages
[07:40] <EiGHTBALLx> (SORRY FOR THE FLOOD)
[07:41] <yahalom> see topic
[07:41] <EiGHTBALLx> ermm how is the topic supposed to help?
[07:41] <EiGHTBALLx> is it the link?
[07:42] <yahalom> u need a different repo
[07:42] <yahalom> see the topic
[07:42] <yahalom> go there,,its obvious once there
[07:44] <EiGHTBALLx> i dont see the extra repos
[07:49] <mcquaid> EiGHTBALLx, the reason thats happening is becuase konversation for whatever reason depends on kde 3.4.1
[07:49] <mcquaid> you can do one of two things, either add the source for kubuntu 3.4.1 to your reps and upgrade to 3.4.1
[07:50] <mcquaid> or you can choose force version in synaptic and choose konversation ver .16
[07:50] <eightballx> thank you
[07:50] <mcquaid> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main
[07:50] <mcquaid> add that for 3.4.1 if u want
[07:50] <mcquaid> i've already gone with 3.4.1 without issue
[07:51] <eightballx> yeh thanx i got that
[07:53] <mcquaid> i've read khotkeys has been borked for ages. is there no other method of getting gestures in konq?
[07:57] <EiGHTBALLx> my sources.list wont work, it gives me   some index files faailed to download when i add a source
[07:58] <mcquaid> click reload first
[07:58] <EiGHTBALLx> reload?
[07:58] <mcquaid> you have to reload upon changes to sources.list
[07:58] <mcquaid> you using synatpic?
[07:58] <EiGHTBALLx> no when i run apt-get update it gives me that error
[07:59] <mcquaid> ah ok then you've mucked up your sources ;)
[07:59] <mcquaid> did you ensure to hit enter on the last entry?
[07:59] <mcquaid> you have to have a carriage return or for some dumb reason it doesn't read them properly
[08:00] <EiGHTBALLx> does it matter on the location in the file (eg a certain line
[08:00] <mcquaid> nope
[08:00] <mcquaid> i just assumed you might have put it at the bottom and forgot to put an enter
[08:00] <EiGHTBALLx> oh thanks it worked!
[08:00] <mcquaid> there ya go
[08:01] <mcquaid> you can add sources from within synaptic as well and just hit reload - reload being the same as apt-get update
[08:01] <EiGHTBALLx> thanks for your help! its finnaly installing,
[08:01] <mcquaid> i like to manually add sources so i can put comments though
[08:01] <mcquaid> np
[08:01] <EiGHTBALLx> when i reboot, will it boot KDE by default?
[08:01] <mcquaid> you have to indicate the default in kdm/gdm
[08:02] <mcquaid> are you using gdm?
[08:02] <mcquaid> you indicate by choosing session and then selecting
[08:02] <EiGHTBALLx> gnome wm i am yes, will it ask me which wm to use at the beggining?
[08:02] <mcquaid> right now your in gnome?
[08:02] <EiGHTBALLx> oh kick as
[08:03] <EiGHTBALLx> yep im im in gnome using Xchat
[08:03] <mcquaid> if you just log in you'll be in gnome again, choose session and choose kde, it'll ask you just for this session or make default
[08:03] <mcquaid> but since going to kde i've installed kdm instead
[08:04] <mcquaid> with kdm you'll get options like 'fast user switch' and you'll have fast user switch' when locking the screen
[08:05] <mcquaid> gnome has a fast user switch as well, but it doesn't have it intergrated in the lcok screen thing so i like kde's better
[08:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone here know about fstab?/
[08:06] <mcquaid> and you don't need to reboot btw, just logout and choose kde instead
[08:06] <EiGHTBALLx> i want kde so i can 1) get the kde apps 2) skin it to look like OSX
[08:06] <mcquaid> well you could have installed kde apps without actually installing kde
[08:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i need to know if these settings in fstab are correct
[08:06] <mcquaid> but theming is easier with having all of kde installed
[08:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> /dev/hdb1       /Storage        ext3   rw,user,noauto       0	    0
[08:07] <EiGHTBALLx> yeh but there is trouble like fonts and stuff
[08:07] <mcquaid> yes thats much easier to configure from within kde
[08:09] <_skaag> I have a weird problem with kMail not sending queued mail through an SMTP server I know works for sure
[08:09] <mcquaid> ChurcH_of_FoamY, it looks right but i'm not the greatest with fstab
[08:09] <EiGHTBALLx> i am getting gd speeds off the repos, 235k
[08:09] <mcquaid> ya same here, they were slow for a bit, but they've been fast for awhile
[08:10] <mcquaid> but i couldnt imagine a modem user using debian
[08:10] <mcquaid> ;)
[08:10] <EiGHTBALLx> i just selected KDM , was it the right choice?
[08:11] <samuelk> i installed the kxdocker 0.35 but i when i right click on the bar i dont see the configurator.. so i configure kxdocker any one who could help me?
[08:11] <mcquaid> uh are you trying to install kdm now?
[08:11] <EiGHTBALLx> if i want the complete KDE experience
[08:11] <EiGHTBALLx> yes
[08:11] <EiGHTBALLx> kubuntu-desktop
[08:12] <mcquaid> well, i believe you can do it without issue but i don't really like to switch gdm to kdm while in the gui
[08:12] <EiGHTBALLx> it all 1 big package
[08:12] <EiGHTBALLx> i rebootwen i switch WM
[08:12] <mcquaid> well kubuntu-desktop is whats called a meta package that installs a whole wack of other apps/libs etc
[08:13] <EiGHTBALLx> anyway, if i want the entire kde experience , was kdm the right choice?
[08:13] <mcquaid> it in itself doesn't actually contain any packages
[08:13] <EiGHTBALLx> i know its like a symlink
[08:14] <mcquaid> the point i'm trying to make on going to kdm from gdm is that if you remove gdm while in synaptic it's still running 
[08:14] <mcquaid> i'm not sure if it can do that gracefully
[08:14] <EiGHTBALLx> it just did!
[08:14] <EiGHTBALLx> brb reboot
[08:15] <mcquaid> heh
[08:15] <mcquaid> samuelk, i haven't tried kxdocer yet, is it fast or a resource hog?
[08:16] <mcquaid> like does it seem smooth in it's resizing as you hover over your icons?
[08:20] <samuelk> mcguaid its realy nice you should realy try it :D
[08:20] <samuelk> yes it do..
[08:21] <EiGHTBALLx> komplete succes
[08:21] <mcquaid> ya i'm probably going to 
[08:21] <mcquaid> did you compile or grab the ubuntu deb?
[08:21] <mcquaid> EiGHTBALLx, did kdm comeup or gdm?
[08:21] <samuelk> mcquaid install now and say if you have the configurating menu
[08:21] <samuelk> http://www.xiaprojects.com/www/prodotti/kxdocker/main.php
[08:22] <EiGHTBALLx> i got GDM NOT STARTING  AS ITS NOT THE DEFAULT MANAGER : STARTING K DISPLAY MANAGER : KDM
[08:22] <samuelk> took the deb file
[08:22] <samuelk> w8
[08:22] <EiGHTBALLx> and kde came up
[08:22] <samuelk> installed from 0.35 source
[08:22] <mcquaid> ah ok your good then, you can remove gdm so you don't see that error in the future
[08:22] <EiGHTBALLx> and then i logged into gdm to see if it was still there, it is and now i am in kde
[08:23] <EiGHTBALLx> its not an error , its desplayed like a kernel message
[08:23] <EiGHTBALLx> it doesnt bug me
[08:24] <mcquaid> i hear ya, but you only need one or the other
[08:24] <mcquaid> as both can't run 
[08:24] <samuelk> yes i know..
[08:24] <samuelk> just installed the 0.35 from source
[08:25] <EiGHTBALLx> meh i might need gdm in case kde doesnt run a gnome app properly
[08:26] <mcquaid> no it doesn't work that way, you can still launch gnome with kdm
[08:26] <mcquaid> and vis versa
[08:28] <EiGHTBALLx> su is not excepting my root password, what is it as default?
[08:29] <mcquaid> in ubuntu there is no root passwd by default
[08:29] <mcquaid> you have to create one
[08:30] <Firetech> uhm, the newest unsermake package seems to be corrupt...
[08:30] <mcquaid> i forget the exact syntax, but it's all over the forums as it's been asked countless times
[08:30] <mcquaid> samuelk, i'm compiling now
[08:30] <Firetech> http://kubuntu.org hoary-updates/main unsermake 20050618-0ubuntu1 [2547B] 
[08:31] <samuelk> good good :D
[08:31] <mcquaid> whasts unsermake?
[08:31] <Firetech> http://se.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main unsermake 20050219-0ubuntu2 [55,5kB] 
[08:31] <Firetech> unsermake - A tool for generating Makefiles, a replacement for automake
[08:32] <mcquaid> ah
[08:33] <samuelk> are there dashbord for linux?
[08:34] <mcquaid> dashboard is that osX desktop search thingie?
[08:35] <mcquaid> if so there's beagle but its a gnome app
[08:35] <buz> no thats spotlight
[08:35] <mcquaid> oh
[08:35] <buz> dashboard is more like useless eyecandy
[08:35] <mcquaid> whats dashboard again?
[08:35] <buz> the thing with them widgets
[08:35] <buz> overlays your current screen
[08:35] <samuelk> apple.com
[08:35] <buz> doing all sorts of half useful stuff
[08:35] <buz> maybe superkaramba
[08:36] <mcquaid> oh does it show all running apps like screenshots of everything runnin?
[08:36] <buz> na thats expose
[08:36] <mcquaid> heh
[08:36] <buz> which is actually really nifty
[08:36] <buz> dashboard i dont care for very much
[08:39] <mcquaid> i'll look up dashboard later but kde has kompose for expose
[08:39] <mcquaid> samuelk, ok i have kxdocker running
[08:40] <samuelk> right click on it do you have configuratar or something?
[08:40] <mcquaid> if i right clikc on any one of them to configure i can't if thats your problem
[08:40] <samuelk> k
[08:40] <samuelk> yes it was mine to..
[08:41] <samuelk> but the other versions there where options you could do in the program...
[08:42] <mcquaid> well i've got actions, global actions etc
[08:43] <samuelk> i have only make float and remove
[08:43] <samuelk> there should be on more i think...
[08:43] <mcquaid> where do you see that?
[08:43] <samuelk> right click
[08:44] <samuelk> and under configure
[08:44] <mcquaid> ah ya not all have that i see some with that
[08:44] <mcquaid> i don't get how you add an app though
[08:44] <samuelk> not me ether..
[08:44] <samuelk> thats what i whant...
[08:45] <doctor_salvia> bwaaahaha err i mean hey
[08:46] <mcquaid> fount it
[08:46] <samuelk> where?
[08:46] <mcquaid> samuelk, it's in the kde tray
[08:46] <mcquaid> should see a penguin apple near the clock
[08:46] <samuelk> bhhaaa i am so a dumbass...
[08:46] <mcquaid> heh
[08:47] <doctor_salvia> bwaaahahaha i will traceroute you then find your house and drink your blood in the night
[08:47] <doctor_salvia> err
[08:47] <doctor_salvia> i mean
[08:47] <mcquaid> a baloon with a hole in it! 
[08:47] <doctor_salvia> so...
[08:48] <mcquaid> btw, how did you compile it? i used checkinstall and it put it in usr/local/kde/bin
[08:48] <mcquaid> which isn't in my path
[08:48] <mcquaid> had to go to that dir to run in
[08:52] <samuelk> in think i gott kxdocker to crash....
[08:52] <samuelk> loaded a plugin...
[08:52] <samuelk> lol
[08:53] <mcquaid> i still don't get how to add an app
[08:56] <Borg^Queen> Hey people. I need some advice. My dvdburner just blew out. I need to replace it yesterday.
[08:56] <Borg^Queen> My brand, plextor, is sold out. None of my vendors have it in stock. What dvd burners do you guys have that have given you good results?
[09:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can someone help me with my hard drive problem?
[09:14] <hon> using gimp or simmilar multi-window applications, is it possible to make them minimize together (some kind of groupping)?
[09:17] <othernoob> does anyone know an RTS-channel on irc?
[09:26] <_chris> Is there a program out there that can monitor my power supply?
[10:03] <nikkia> hon, yes, sort of, but unfortunately, its rather annoying how its implemented in KDE
[10:03] <nikkia> hon, you can only treat all windows of an app as a single object for things like that *once the number of windows open has exceeded your taskbar limits* isn't that annoying?
[10:03] <hon> how?
[10:04] <hon> oh! not that way
[10:05] <nikkia> what you, and i, want is a way to force grouping
[10:05] <nikkia> i haven't been able to find one, tho
[10:05] <hon> I need it just for specific types of windows. 
[10:06] <nikkia> ah, actually, you can force group
[10:06] <hon> I wish if this feature could be added to the "workarounds" for window settings
[10:06] <hon> brb
[10:06] <nikkia> hon, just turn the grouping feature to 'always', its a pain, but its better than nothing
[10:06] <nikkia> but yes, it'd be nice to have a per-application-class setting
[10:07] <nikkia> and while we're at it, i'll take 'named groups' thanks :)
[10:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i need help with the formating and usage of a hard drive thats giving me problems
[10:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can anyone help me?
[11:25] <MidnightDevil> heya, how do i fix this ? "Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[11:25] <MidnightDevil> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[11:25] <MidnightDevil> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[11:25] <MidnightDevil> or been moved out of Incoming."
[11:26] <MidnightDevil> someone?
[11:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> 91 people here and no one can help >.<
[11:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i wish i could but i'm still learning linux myself >.<
[11:27] <MidnightDevil> :)
[11:27] <MidnightDevil> hehe, i wish too
[11:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm still having partitioning problems and noone can seem to help me
[11:28] <MidnightDevil> whats the problem?
[11:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i put a second hard drive in
[11:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and used qtparted to set it up
[11:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and made the changes in fstab
[11:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but the drive denies me access to it when i try to wright to it
[11:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i can't figure it out >.<
[11:29] <MidnightDevil> i guess u can write whatever u want on that drive if u "su - vim bla.txt" and save it
[11:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but i want to use it has a regular hard drive
[11:30] <MidnightDevil> i dont think its very hard
[11:30] <MidnightDevil> its a permissions thing
[11:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> where i can just drop files on it
[11:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> must be
[11:31] <MidnightDevil> i cant write on any remote drive mounted by root
[11:31] <MidnightDevil> i guess it's just having the same behaviour
[11:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> must be
[11:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> just don't know how to fix it?
[11:32] <uniq> midnightdevil: what package do you try to install? 
[11:33] <MidnightDevil> neither :/
[11:33] <MidnightDevil> uniq, gdesklets
[11:33] <uniq> should be installable. you have universe enabled i presume? 
[11:34] <MidnightDevil> i guess 
[11:34] <MidnightDevil> sources.list?
[11:34] <uniq> church_of_foamy: if you make a directory on the disk, and "chown youruser.youruser dir/" you can write to it.
[11:35] <uniq> yes, sources.list
[11:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok but how do i make a dir on the disk
[11:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's hdb1
[11:35] <uniq> is it mounted? 
[11:35] <MidnightDevil> sudo mkdir dir
[11:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes
[11:35] <uniq> ok, then do as midnightdevil says.
[11:36] <MidnightDevil> allright, what should i look for on sources.list?
[11:36] <uniq> midnightdevil: universe
[11:36] <MidnightDevil> yeapo
[11:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[11:36] <uniq> is it uncommented or active? 
[11:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the drive?
[11:37] <MidnightDevil> uncommended, i mean, it doesnt have the # before
[11:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> active
[11:37] <MidnightDevil> lol
[11:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i don't know
[11:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just use konq to get to it
[11:38] <MidnightDevil> uniq, he installed a new hd now he wants to add permissions to browse and write there freely
[11:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> this is kinda hard for a noob >.<
[11:38] <uniq> midnightdevil: ok. it's active and uncommented :) then 'apt-get update;apt-get install gdesklets' should do it for you. you shouldn't get an impossible situation afaik.
[11:38] <uniq> midnightdevil: i know, i read back. :)
[11:39] <uniq> church_of_foamy: ok, can you paste the line you've added in /etc/fstab? 
[11:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shure
[11:39] <MidnightDevil> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:39] <MidnightDevil>   gdesklets: Depends: python-gnome2-extras but it is not going to be installed
[11:39] <MidnightDevil> E: Broken packages
[11:39] <MidnightDevil> this goes round and round 
[11:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> dev/hdb1       /storage        ext3   rw,user,noauto       0	    0
[11:40] <uniq> church_of_foamy: ok, why is it noauto ? 
[11:40] <uniq> is it removable? 
[11:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i don't know
[11:40] <uniq> ok. remove user and noauto
[11:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just looked at the rest and put what i thought made sence
[11:40] <uniq> .. even better, remove all the smart options, and add defaults
[11:41] <uniq>  /dev/hdb1 /storage ext3 defaults 0 0
[11:41] <uniq> sudo mount /storage
[11:41] <uniq> sudo mkdir /storage/stuff
[11:42] <uniq> sudo chown yourusername.yourusername -R /storage/stuff
[11:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k hold on
[11:43] <uniq> then you should be able to save your files to /storage/stuff
[11:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> now it tells me that only root can mount the hard drive
[11:45] <uniq> only root can.
[11:45] <uniq> that's why you should do: sudo mount /storage
[11:45] <uniq> but it will be automatically mounted on each boot. so it won't matter.. unless it's removable.
[11:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mountpoint storage does not exist
[11:47] <uniq> midnightdevil: python-gnome3-extras should be in universe too. you could try to use another mirror.
[11:47] <uniq> ehm.. python-gnome2-extras rather. 
[11:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no it's not a removible drive
[11:47] <MidnightDevil> uniq, wanna share your file ? :D
[11:47] <MidnightDevil> i extracted this sample for the website
[11:47] <uniq> church_of_foamy: then removing 'noauto' from fstab will make it mount at boot.
[11:47] <uniq> ?? sources.list
[11:47] <kinfo> [sources.list]  example /etc/apt/sources.list with all official repositories plus KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4 from kubuntu.org can be found at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/303802
[11:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok so just remove the noauto and leave it at that
[11:48] <uniq> church_of_foamy: i would have changed it to what i wrote earlier.
[11:48] <MidnightDevil> aye aye sir ;)
[11:48] <uniq> 23:41 <      uniq>  /dev/hdb1 /storage ext3 defaults 0 0
[11:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[11:49] <MidnightDevil> uniq, can i replace my actual file with that content?
[11:49] <uniq> midnightdevil: you can. i suggest you make a backup of your old file just in case something breaks.
[11:49] <MidnightDevil> great!
[11:49] <MidnightDevil> thanx!
[11:50] <MidnightDevil> ChurcH_of_FoamY, hows it going pal !
[11:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> good
[11:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm going to reboot now and see if it works
[11:53] <MidnightDevil> uniq, working as a charm with no dependencies problems
[11:53] <MidnightDevil> thanx a lot!!
[11:53] <uniq> midnightdevil: great :)
[11:56] <MidnightDevil> i got a package that seems to be stuck
[11:56] <MidnightDevil> setiathome
[11:56] <MidnightDevil> E: setiathome:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[11:56] <MidnightDevil> returns this error everytime im not installing it
[11:56] <MidnightDevil> lol
[11:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the drive diden't mount it's self >.<
[11:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i even rebooted