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elmo5%#!^!#$%!12:21
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maswanor.. what's wrong?12:23
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elmosome{one,thing} killed concordia again12:24
Lathiatconcordia?12:25
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danielselmo: not me12:27
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dholbachhi12:33
Mitariohi dholbach 12:34
dholbachhey Mitario :)12:34
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dholbachsleep tight, i'm off for now12:40
dholbach*wave*12:40
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hidde2seb128?01:15
seb128hidde2: pong01:16
hidde2seb128, sorry to bug you, but I did something to the session of my main user, and I can't log in now. What can I do to reset it so it won't hang on initialising the session?01:16
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seb128hidde2: you can move ~/.gnome2/session away01:18
seb128or edit it01:18
mxpxpodseb128: have you seen jbailey?01:19
hidde2seb128, i think i rm-ed that file, that used to solve it, when I did something similar earlier01:19
hidde2brb01:19
seb128mxpxpod: nop01:19
mxpxpodk01:19
danielselmo: could you please pre-NEW xserver-xorg-driver-{apm,ark,ati,chips,cirrus,cyrix,dummy,fbdev,glide,glint,i128,i740,i810,imstt,mga,neomagic,newport,nsc,nv,rendition,s3,s3virge,savage,siliconmotion,sis,sunbw2,suncg14,suncg3,suncg6,sunffb,sunleo,suntcx,tdfx,tga,trident,tseng,v4l,vesa,vga,via,vmware}01:19
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danielselmo: and also xserver-xorg-input-{acecad,aiptek,calcomp,citron,digitaledge,dmc,dynapro,elographics,fpit,hyperpen,js,kbd,magellan,microtouch,mouse,mutouch,palmax,penmount,spaceorb,summa,tek4957,ur98,void,wacom}01:21
danielselmo: thanks01:21
elmono01:21
danielshm?01:21
hidde2seb128, i removed ~/.gnome2/session, and I still can't get in. It's hanging on something it's trying to start, not something that's left over from a previous session01:21
Kamiondaniels: (you realise it's easier to just NEW when they arrive rather than pre-NEW, right?)01:22
elmoI'm not going to pre-NEW stuff, it's a horrible absolute-emergency only habit01:22
seb128hidde2: seems to be the esound issue happening atm01:22
danielsrighto, then01:22
seb128elmo: thanks for the syncs01:22
elmothere's 2 other people with full katie privs and more than enough skillz to NEW stuff01:22
seb128hidde2: try installing libesd0 01:22
elmoif you're about my availability01:22
elmos/about/worried \&/01:22
hidde2seb128, i'm running hoary, and it's something I did, some program/command it can't handle01:22
seb128oh01:22
seb128how have you put them here?01:23
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elmo(is upstream really splitting into that many input methods?  that seems like oversplititis)01:23
seb128elmo: can you give these people the sync magic too? :)01:23
hidde2I added irexec -d to my session startup with priority 1 system > preferences >session :$01:23
danielselmo: that's input/*_drv.o; we already have that many different drivers01:23
seb128hidde2: this dialog is ~/.gnome2/session-manual01:24
danielselmo: so it'll be that many source packages in the future (when we all have flying cars)01:24
elmoseb128: these people are kamion and mdz - you really want mdz or kamion spending time on syncs?01:24
danielselmo: mostly for weird-shit tablets and stuff01:24
hidde2seb128, so if I remove that file, I should be ok?01:24
danielselmo: but, er, yeah, we'll pretty much end up with the biggest Binary line in the west01:24
seb128elmo: "spending time" ... is that taking that amount of time? No, that's just a "when you are not around and a sync could be useful"01:24
elmoseb128: dealing with sync requests are like bugs, they may seem trivial in of themselves, but they add up01:25
seb128elmo: ie, I was waiting since saturday for new glib2.0 ... no big deal, but if somebody else can run the sync ... :)01:25
seb128elmo: right01:25
elmoseb128: and besides, did you miss the part where I said they already had full katie privs?01:25
elmoseb128: saturday... you want me to work saturday/sunday now too?01:26
seb128elmo: Kamion said today he doesn't know how syncs work01:26
Kamiononly because I haven't looked and I consider it elmo's bailiwick until told otherwise01:26
danielselmo: i thought we all checked our weekends at the door when we joined01:26
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KamionI assume it's josie but I didn't want to poke too hard01:26
seb128elmo: nop, you are right :)01:27
HiddenWolfseb128, you rock01:27
elmoanyway, sleep.  night all.01:27
seb128'night01:27
seb128HiddenWolf: np01:27
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HiddenWolfcan anyone here tell my why the kernel loads a driver for the serial port?01:38
Lathiat... ?01:39
LathiatSo you can use the serial port?01:39
HiddenWolfsort of01:39
shack\outI think he means "even if you don't have one"01:39
Lathiatoh01:39
Lathiatis it a generic driver or a specific driver?01:39
HiddenWolfThe piont is, i have one, and I can use it, as long as I tell the kernel to get the hell off the port, and allow lircd to listen on it01:40
Lathiatoh right01:40
Lathiatthats a different story01:40
Lathiatso, theres a driver for the serial port01:40
Lathiatbut lric doesnt want to use that and wants to use it directly01:40
Lathiatso you can configure with setserial not to use it01:40
HiddenWolfthat's another way of putting it ;)01:40
Lathiatusing lirc with FIR mode?01:41
HiddenWolflathiat, happen to know how exactly?01:41
Lathiatwant to know how to release the serial port?01:41
HiddenWolflathiat, not using lirc at all, atm, just trying to get lirc_serial loaded manually01:41
Lathiatsetserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none iirc01:41
HiddenWolflathiat, yeah, automagicly preferably01:41
Lathiatsetserial can be configured to save its config01:41
HiddenWolfSo sudo  setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none iirc && sudo dpkg-reconfigure setserial -> to manual > reboot should do the trick?01:43
HiddenWolfugh01:43
HiddenWolfwithout the iirc, ;)01:44
Lathiatsomethign like that01:44
Lathiatread lirc docs im sure they cover this :P)01:44
MezLathiat, why does your name seem so...familiar?01:44
Lathiatcus im on various other irc channels?01:45
Lathiatavahi?01:45
Mezhmmles01:45
HiddenWolflathiat, can I bug you if I can't get it to work?01:45
Lathiatmaybe yoru in one of the other communities i hang aroudn in *shrug*01:45
LathiatHiddenWolf: no, cus im ;leaving, good luck with that :)01:45
MezLathiat, Trent Lloyd?01:45
LathiatMez: yes01:46
Mezah01:46
MezI've read your LJ before thats why01:46
Lathiatah01:46
Lathiatplanet.fd.o ?01:46
Mezno01:47
Mezhttp://www.livejournal.com/users/lathiat/01:47
Lathiatnah just thought you might have known it from planet.fd.o or something :)01:47
Mezfd.o ?01:47
Mezwhats fd /01:47
Lathiatfreedesktop.rog01:47
Lathiat*org01:47
Mezwait - are you in the UK Lathiat ?01:48
Lathiatnope, australia01:48
Mezhave you been to UK recently?01:49
Lathiatnope, never been outside australia :P)01:49
Lathiat(IRJ*#RR@#*(H@R#@*H()#R(*H01:49
Lathiati'm goign to remove my P key01:49
Lathiati look like such a dick typing :P)01:49
Mezlmao01:49
Lathiati hit it accidentally typing :) all th etime01:49
Mezlol01:50
Meztake the key off... and chop away prt of the key to make it lighter then put it back on01:51
Mezhave to hit it arder then to make it register01:51
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jsgotangcoajmitch, hello02:56
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ChurcH_of_FOamYmako are you there?03:17
ChurcH_of_FOamYsomeone told me to contact you about promoting ubuntu03:17
ChurcH_of_FOamYand i would love to do so ^_^ it absoulutely rocks! ^_^03:18
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fabbionemorning05:23
Mitariomorning too :)05:23
jphohoh05:28
jphere I'm gonna sleep now :)05:28
Mitarioyeah, still night here too05:29
jpheh05:29
Mitarioalthough05:29
jpfabbione where are you from ?05:29
Mitarioits getting very light out here05:29
jp:o05:29
jphere it's 23.30 :)05:30
fabbionejp: i live in EU :)05:30
Mitario05:30 here05:30
Mitarioit's already daylight05:30
Mitariowell morninglight..05:30
jpfabbione kewl :)05:30
jpjeje05:30
jphere we're on winter :'(05:30
Mitarioheh05:30
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Mitariohmm, i'm considering not going to sleep and just go to work in a few hours05:31
jp:S05:32
calcdaniels: did you find the issue with the suid X binary?05:33
jptomorrow I'll have to give a school test :( it's a global mathematics test (from all one semester) :/05:33
calcdaniels: upgrading from 33 -> 34 caused it to no longer be suid for me05:33
calcdaniels: not sure which shaya upgraded from05:33
jpI think I won't sleep too Mitario :P05:34
Mitariohehe, been hacking update manager all night :)05:34
jpMitario :o hihi :P05:35
danielscalc: and shaya said that upgrading again worked fine05:35
danielscalc: no-one else has seen it, and the binary is *definitely* suid in all of the debs05:35
calchmm ok05:35
calci'll try it on my desktop now to see what happens05:35
calcit is at 33 right now05:35
calc-rwsr-sr-x  1 root root 9504 2005-06-30 15:58 /usr/X11R6/bin/X05:36
calcshould take about 5-6min05:36
calcfinished downloading, installing now :)05:42
calc-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 9504 2005-07-03 16:23 /usr/X11R6/bin/X05:45
calcstripped on this box as well05:45
calcperhaps it only affects upgrades?05:45
calcbtw dpkg -i the package again doesn't fix the perms05:47
calci'll try purging and installing it05:47
jpbye guys05:47
calcer nm i tried dpkg -i on the wrong package05:49
calcso upgrading 33 -> 34 is reproducibly removing ug+s but dpkg -i xserver-common fixes it05:49
calcdid /usr/X11R6/bin/X change packages between 33 -> 34?05:51
calcif so perhaps dpkg itself is hosing it05:51
calcit wouldn't be the first time i have seen dpkg screw stuff up05:51
danielsno, it's always been in xserver-common05:54
calchmm thats really strange that it wouldn't keep the permissions then :\05:54
danielskeybuk's fault05:54
calcits in the package itself as ug+s and dpkg -i xserver-common preserves them but upgrading from 33 -> 34 does not05:54
calcheh05:55
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jdubKamion: around? (unlikely as it may be...)07:29
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pittiA most beautiful good morning to everybody!07:32
AndyFitzmorning to you pitti07:33
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HWolfpitti, what's the occation? :)07:34
Church_of_foamymorning pitti07:35
Church_of_foamy^_^07:35
pittiHWolf: it's raining cats and dogs, and I try to maintain a good mood :-)07:36
HWolfpitti, you most certainly lightened mine. ;)07:37
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fabbionehey pitti07:45
pittiHi my dear fabbione 07:45
fabbioneehheh07:45
pittino kernel vulns in a week, that's suspicious...07:45
fabbionelast time you said like that... it costed me 40 hours of extra work on the kernel07:46
pittifabbione: this time I assure you that I don't have anything like that in my mind :-)07:46
fabbioneok thanks :)07:46
pittifabbione: well, if you want to, you could make the breezy kernel not crash on my iBook :-) but nevermind, the hoary kernel works fine07:47
fabbionepitti: is the sleep crash you filed?07:47
pittifabbione: that one too, but I have a really funny one07:47
fabbioneok.....07:47
pittifabbione: I start my wireless, everything works perfect07:47
fabbioneyeah..07:48
pittifabbione: then, after some minutes I execute something with sudo, and this process hangs07:48
fabbionehangs how?07:48
pittifabbione: normal user apps, and the wireless connection continue to run fine, just sudo processes are unkillable and hang07:48
pittifabbione: well, they sit around and don't do anything07:48
pittifabbione: and sudo kill ... doesn't work, because that sudo process of course hangs as well :-)07:49
ivoks:)07:49
fabbionepitti: i fail to see how that can be a kernel bug..07:49
pittiit's like April's fool...07:49
fabbionecan you reproduce it on another arch?07:49
pittifabbione: I get an oops when the symptoms start07:49
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fabbioneok.. can you file a bug with the related oops?07:49
fabbionei still blame GTK and QT07:50
pittifabbione: sure, will do. it should still be in my klog07:50
pittifabbione: but it's not that urgent07:50
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fabbionei really need to stop to make make xmenuconfig :P07:50
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Church_of_foamyi want to become an endorser for ubuntu who do i talk to?07:50
pittifabbione: does that use gtk now?07:50
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whiprushChurch_of_foamy: mako probably07:50
fabbionexmenuconfig uses QT...07:50
Church_of_foamyis he on?07:50
fabbioneotherwise gconfig.. for GTK07:50
pittiivoks: my iBook works just perfectly with the hoary kernel, and the kernels before that07:50
fabbioneChurch_of_foamy: he might be in a few hours...07:51
Church_of_foamyi'm new to ubuntu but i like it so much....07:51
Church_of_foamycool07:51
whiprushChurch_of_foamy: on and off probably, you can always mail him07:51
pittiChurch_of_foamy: spread the love :-)07:51
ivokspitti: i was kidding07:51
Church_of_foamynaw i'll just wait for him 07:51
ivoksbut i do hate Macs and OSX07:51
Church_of_foamyi don't want to be imposing07:51
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fabbioneChurch_of_foamy: i am sure he doesn't mind emails...07:55
fabbioneChurch_of_foamy: so don't worry about that07:55
Church_of_foamyk07:55
Church_of_foamy^_^07:55
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pittiHey jdub 07:56
fabbionehey jdub07:56
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danielsinfinity: ping07:59
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infinitydaniels : gnop08:07
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danielsinfinity: does this xmlrpc crap require an update to the php4 package, or is it just stuff using it?08:08
infinityRequires an update to php4-pear.08:09
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infinityIt's on my "TODO in the next few days" list, since PEAR is in universe currently (and because most PHP apps have so many RCE vulns anyway, what's one more?)08:09
Amaranthsmall bug in a PEAR library leaves half the web open to attack, yay08:09
infinityActually, maybe I'll do those uploads in the next couple of hours.08:10
infinityJust 'cause that's what kinda nice guy I am.08:10
danielsinfinity: cock08:10
infinityDiff is here, if anyone feels an urge to patch locally:08:10
infinityhttp://cvs.php.net/diff.php/pear/XML_RPC/RPC.php?r1=1.75&r2=1.76&ty=u08:10
pittiinfinity: do you want to prepare {warty,hoary}-security as well? or shall I do it?08:11
infinitydaniels : Beware that some (many?) crap PHP apps ship with their own broken xmlrpc implementations that are besed on the one from PEAR.08:11
danielsinfinity: yeah, so I'm discovering08:11
infinitypitti : Those were the two uploads I was referring to.  I'm must less concerned about breezy and sid.08:12
danielsinfinity: hence why ~a2se/500-clipart.freedesktop.org disappeared earlier this morning08:12
danielsinfinity: how 'bout sarge? :)08:12
pittiinfinity: ah, cool08:12
pittiok, cu later08:12
infinitydaniels : I'm doing sarge and woody, not sure how quickly joey will get the advisory out.08:12
danielsinfinity: any chance the package could make its way to gabe?08:13
infinitydaniels : Of course it will.08:13
fabbionehey infinity 08:13
infinitydaniels : So, who's running a PHP app that uses PEAR xmlrpc, and can we smack them?08:13
danielsinfinity: rock, thanks08:13
danielsinfinity: guess who08:13
infinityopenclipart?08:13
danielsgot it in one!  running wp, as it turns out.08:14
infinityI thought they were "taking their business elsewhere", or something.08:14
danielssuch is life08:14
infinityNot soon enough, I guess.08:14
infinityOh well.  RCE vulns in PHP apps are so common in my neck of the woods, I take a pretty slack attitude to it.08:14
infinityAnd try to make sure my I have no prev escalation holes lying around.08:14
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infinityOne of my machines gets random crap written to /tmp as www-data all the time, cause I'm too lazy to tell all the users to upgrade their broken phpBB installations.08:15
danielsjust as long as there's no more weird shit in /var/tmp08:15
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infinityWhen in Aug are you going?08:24
infinity-EWIN08:24
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comadrejadear developers all of you :) How could I get started into helping out you ?08:32
HWolfyou <-> out08:34
HWolf:)08:34
comadrejaoh, sorry :)08:34
comadrejamy english is getting better everyday 08:34
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fabbionedaniels: xserver-xorg postinst just barfed here...09:55
fabbione(latest version.. clean install)09:55
fabbionedaniels:10:18
fabbioneSetting up xserver-xorg (6.8.2-34) ...10:18
fabbionedexconf: error: cannot generate configuration file; 10:18
fabbionexserver-xorg/config/inputdevice/keyboard/layout not set.  Aborting.  10:18
fabbioneand manual reconfigure hangs....10:19
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pittiHey carlos10:26
carlospitti, morning10:26
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pittiHi jsgotangco 10:29
jsgotangcopitti!10:29
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pittiMorning mdz10:30
fabbionehey mdz10:34
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mdzmorning10:39
seb128hey mdz10:39
jsgotangcohey10:41
dokocarlos, morning10:43
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carlosdoko, hi10:46
mdzchmj: morning...how is the bluetooth work going?10:46
carlosdoko, I'm reading all mail since Friday, will try to answer your oo2 mail soon10:46
chmjmdz, morning  10:46
chmjmdz, been testing some other devices, we still don't have a workable UI interface for it though10:47
dokocarlos: fine10:48
mdzchmj: Paolo Durante will be working on that part of the project10:48
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mdzchmj: meanwhile, we should ensure that the pieces that we already have work out of the box10:48
chmjmdz: can you give me his email?10:48
jsgotangco:)10:48
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mptcomadreja: http://ubuntulinux.org/community/participate10:53
dokolamont, infinity, elmo: OOo2 FTBFS on powerpc on the buildd, builds fine on davis.10:57
dokocc1plus: out of memory allocating 1643995136 bytes after a total of 80863232 bytes10:57
mdzchmj: I don't have it; you can get it from JaneW10:57
mdzchmj: or perhaps pitti10:57
mdzdoko: does it build on i386?11:00
chmjmdz: ok 11:01
dokomdz: yes. just fixed a packaging error, but it got until the binary target. let's wait some hours for the ubuntu2 build11:03
dokohowever davis does have that amount of memory11:04
infinityOOM allocating 1.6 gigs?... Am I reading that right?11:07
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fabbionedoko: eh?11:09
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fabbionedoko: davis has 3GB of RAM for a mistake11:10
fabbioneand only because it's running the 64bit kernel11:10
dokofabbione: yes, it succeeds on davis, but not on the buildd.11:10
fabbionedoko: the buildd don't have more than 2GB of RAM11:11
infinityThe more interesting question is why does gcc want that much RAM?11:11
dokopoor buildd11:11
fabbioneand i guess that single process can't swap a single byte11:11
infinitySeriously.  Ouch.11:11
fabbionedoko: it won't build on other arches as well...11:11
dokofabbione: it did on i38611:11
fabbionei am not talking on i386 :) i am more thinking of sparc :)11:11
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dokonever heard before ... ;-)11:12
fabbionedoko: speaking of which.. i have a couple of intersting FTBFS that might be gcc related11:12
fabbione /usr/lib/gcc/sparc-linux-gnu/4.0.1/../../../../lib/crt1.o:../sysdeps/sparc/sparc32/elf/start.S:60: multiple definition of `_PROCEDURE_LINKAGE_TABLE_'11:13
fabbione /usr/bin/ld: Disabling relaxation: it will not work with multiple definitions11:13
fabbionecollect2: ld returned 1 exit status11:13
dokofabbione: don't forgot to attach the preprocessed source for ICEs11:13
fabbionedoko: i didn't get there yet...11:13
fabbionethe preprocessed source is for ppc..11:13
fabbionei need to do that on davis11:13
fabbionedokoo: ah rigth.. there was the ICE for mysql on sparc..11:14
fabbionewill do soon 11:14
mdzis there any existing tool which will output the addresses of network interfaces on the system in a parseable format?11:16
mdziproute really ought to do this, but doesn't try very hard11:16
mdzthe -o output format is not so bad I guess11:17
elmoip addr ls ?11:18
fabbionehey elmo11:19
elmohey fabbione 11:19
fabbioneelmo: i think it's time to upgrade ppc kernels around...11:20
fabbioneelmo: so if you can schedule it for the next time you will be at the datacenter11:21
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fabbionedoko: DOH! the last gcc-3.4 upload you did.. it fixed it :)11:23
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fabbionedoko: the ppc ICE i mean11:23
fabbioneah no11:23
fabbionenever mind11:23
dokowould be strange, no code changed11:23
pittishackan: Hi, still here?11:24
fabbionedoko: got confused by -j :)11:24
dokofabbione: use the tools you can master ;-P11:24
elmofabbione: yeah, should be wed/thu11:26
fabbionedoko: CFLAGS += -save-temps11:26
fabbioneright?11:26
fabbioneelmo: cool11:26
fabbionedoko: is that the flag you need right?11:27
dokofabbione: yes11:29
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fabbionedoko: doing...11:30
fabbioneoh my darling.. -save-temps removes -pipe11:31
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chmjouch!11:32
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dokofabbione: or you build with verbose logs, and re-run the command, where it fails11:32
fabbionedoko: the kbuild doesn't like this kind of hacks ;/11:33
fabbionei am going to rebuild.. it takes only a few minutes on davis11:33
fabbionehey sabdfl 11:33
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jsgotangcoogra!11:36
ograhey11:36
fabbionehmm food time :)11:38
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jdthoodpitti: I have been thinking about set-default-soundcard.  I would like to add it to alsa-utils rather than to alsa-base (where it currently resides in ubuntu).  That seems like the most logical place to put it, even though alsa-utils is an arch-any package rather than an arch-all one.11:42
pittijdthood: would be fine for me, and since alsa-base depends on -utils, we don't have a migration problem either11:43
pittijdthood: however, what about python?11:43
jdthoodpitti: I'll add it to alsa-utils's dependency list.11:44
pittido you want to add a dependency? or wait for python-minimal?11:44
pittiah, ok11:44
jdthoodpitti: What exactly should that Depends item look like?11:44
jdthoodJust 'python2.4' ?11:44
pittijust "python"11:44
pittithere's nothing special in it, it works with both 2.3 and 2.411:45
jdthood"python" is a metapackage in both Debian and Ubuntu?11:45
pittiyes, all python modules come with a metapackage that depend on the default version11:45
infinitypython always pulls in the current "default" python version.11:45
infinityJust as "gcc" and "g++" do.11:45
spafbnerfkill ubuntu!!!11:46
pittidepending on a particular version should generally be avoided, unless there is a special reason11:46
pittinice dude, that spafbnerf11:46
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jdthoodpitti: I want to remove aserver from libasound2.  Do you know anyone who uses that program?11:47
jdthoodIf someone uses it then I'd rather ship it in alsa-utils, to comply with Debian policy.11:47
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jdthoodIf no one uses it then obviously we shouldn't ship it at all.11:48
pittijdthood: I never heard about it11:48
jdthood/usr/bin/aserver11:48
jdthoodThere is no manpage for it and I have never been able to find any explanation of how it should be used.11:49
pittihm, ENOMAN11:49
pittino help either11:49
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jdthoodI have filed requests in the ALSA BTS for documentation.  Nothing has come forth.11:50
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jdthoodpitti: Remember to add "Replaces: alsa-base" to the new alsa-utils (if you merge again after our next release) so that upgrades don't gag on the conflict between alsa-base and alsa-utils over /usr/bin/set-default-soundcard.11:54
pittiright, good point11:54
pittiwell, MOM should see that automatically11:54
jsgotangcobrb11:56
camilotellesmdz: hi there11:57
fabbionedoko: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/gcc-3.4-ppc-unionfs-ice.tar.gz12:08
fabbionedoko: there is everything inside.. code, build log with ICE and preprocessed code12:08
dokowow12:09
dokothe fix is missing ;)12:09
fabbionedoko: that's your job. kthxbye12:09
fabbioneit happens with gcc-4.0 too (i did check it a long time ago)12:10
fabbionebut i can try again if you want me to12:10
dokono, I'll do that12:10
fabbioneit would all be nice if -save-temps would actually save the temp files in the same dir as the source/obj12:10
dokoAFAIK it saves it in the current directory12:12
fabbionedoko: yes but current is not necessarely the one where the source/obj is stored12:12
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seb128daniels: around?12:23
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Riddellpitti: new kdelibs uses the locale-langpack path12:38
pitticool, thanks12:38
danielsseb128: wassup12:38
pittiRiddell: i. e. they look in -langpack if there is no matching file in locale?12:38
Riddell>kde-config --path locale12:39
Riddell/home/jr/.kde/share/locale/:/usr/share/locale/:/usr/share/locale-langpack/12:39
seb128daniels: g-c-c cries on libXrandr.so because it tries to use /usr/lib and the lib is /usr/X11R6/lib ... xorg bog?12:39
Riddellyep12:40
seb128daniels: I've workaround it with a -L/usr/X11R6/lib for the moment12:40
pittiRiddell: looks great12:40
Riddellpitti: are you going to alter kde langpacks to include the entry.desktop and related files?12:40
danielsseb128: g-c-c bug but it'll go away when libxrandr-dev moves to /usr12:40
seb128daniels: do you know what g-c-c could do wrongly? So I can fix that ...12:41
danielsseb128: not sure, sorry ... it's too late12:42
seb128daniels: don't worry, the -L/... works fine if that's going to be fixed with the move to /usr that's all right12:42
seb128is anybody maintaining firefox atm?12:46
danielscool12:50
fabbionedaniels: did you read the scrollback?12:54
danielsnot really12:55
fabbionedaniels: xserver-xorg barfs on fresh install12:55
danielsno-one made my screen light up except seb12:55
fabbionei did paste the error12:55
fabbionei did12:55
danielsoh, that12:55
danielsyeah, I saw that, don't know what's going on there, will take a look12:55
fabbione<fabbione> (latest version.. clean install)12:55
fabbione<fabbione> daniels:12:55
fabbione<fabbione> Setting up xserver-xorg (6.8.2-34) ...12:55
fabbione<fabbione> dexconf: error: cannot generate configuration file; 12:55
fabbione<fabbione> xserver-xorg/config/inputdevice/keyboard/layout not set.  Aborting.12:55
fabbione12:55
fabbione<fabbione> and manual reconfigure hangs....12:55
fabbionepl12:55
fabbioneok12:55
Kamionjdub: yo12:58
fabbioneKamion: any objection for me to upload partman-auto with this change: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/partman-auto.diff ?12:59
fabbioneit's basically to move some common code in a "lib"01:00
fabbioneso i don't need to duplicate it01:00
fabbioneprobably clean_method should go in another lib, but i wanted to ask you first01:00
fabbione(there might be more coming later)01:00
Kamionfabbione: looks ok, except that I don't understand why you removed one db_progress step01:00
fabbioneKamion: expande_scheme is 2 functions in a raw..01:01
fabbionein the original there was a db_progress in the middle01:01
fabbionethat i can't ensure it is a available in other packages that might use that function01:01
fabbione(right now there is none in p-a-l)01:02
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Kamionoh, uh, I guess, ok01:02
fabbioneok thanks...01:02
fabbioneKamion: and this morning the first p-a-l installation succeeded :)01:02
fabbionewith a few errors.. but it managed to install breezy01:02
fabbioneKamion: when you have more time, you will need to tell me how to apply some branding love to all the .po files for p-a-l :)01:03
fabbioneiirc you had somekind of method for it01:03
Kamionpartman-auto-lvm (2) UNRELEASED; urgency=low01:03
Kamion  * Colin Watson01:03
Kamion    - Change "new Debian system" to "new system" to help with derivative01:03
Kamion      branding.01:03
Kamionit will become irrelevant01:04
fabbioneah ehehe :)01:04
fabbionegood01:04
fabbionewhen do you plan to upload that one?01:04
Kamionhadn't really decided01:05
KamionI can do it today/tomorrow if you like01:05
fabbionewell the code in the package is useless atm....01:05
fabbioneit doesn't work...01:05
fabbioneso up to you really...01:05
fabbioneit will just spare me time to merge .po stuff later on01:06
Kamionsure, I'll do it now then01:06
fabbioneok thanks01:06
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Kamion$ DEBIAN_FRONTEND=readline ./debconffilter.py ./dftest01:12
Kamiontzconfig/change_timezone: I am a custom widget01:12
KamionConfiguring01:12
Kamionwoo01:12
Kamion77 lines of python for something that filters and intercepts the debconf protocol01:13
danielshm, reminds me I need to upload my hundred-lines-of-python discover101:14
danielsbut right now, I need to sleep01:15
Unfrgivenhi all. anyone else having sound problems on breezy atm? logging into gnome just freezes untill i kill the two instances of esd. totem,xine and mplayer exhibit the same behaviour. any ideas? i just did a dis-upgrade for the first time after UDU.01:17
Lathiatinstall polypaudio? :)01:17
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Lathiatdmix is beign used, maybe its reaking havoc on your hardware01:18
TreenaksLathiat: setting gstreamer to "automatic" helps a bit too :)01:18
fabbioneKamion: if you didn't upload p-a-l i have something you can add to it for the sake of fun :)01:18
LathiatTreenaks: ooh it has that now?01:18
UnfrgivenLathiat: tried that. didnt help for totem, xine, etc.01:18
TreenaksLathiat: it had that yesterday01:18
UnfrgivenLathiat: i am using dmix atm. is that a possible cause?01:18
Kamionfabbione: hadn't quite uploaded yet01:18
Lathiatcould be01:18
UnfrgivenTreenaks: where does one do that?01:18
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UnfrgivenLathiat: whats the easiest way to disable dmix?01:18
TreenaksUnfrgiven: Multimedia Systems Selector in preferences01:18
LathiatUnfrgiven: dunno01:19
Lathiathow can i found out what sink its autodetecting01:19
fabbioneKamion: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/pal/03_make_vg_list_something_meaningful.diff <- apply this.. VG_list isn't use anywhere yet and definetely mine is better than the original :)01:19
fabbione(note that vgs is available only on lvm201:19
Kamionfabbione: changelog entry?01:19
fabbioneoh right..01:20
Kamionuh ok, upstream will need a 2.4able solution too01:20
Kamionso vgs won't fly01:20
fabbioneok01:20
fabbioneKamion: why do you always have these complex questions like changelog entry... :)01:20
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fabbioneKamion: btw.. i don't think etch will have 2.4, but that's only rumors from #debian-kernel01:21
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Kamionfabbione: mm, it's unclear yet, but d-i is still supporting them until that decision's taken01:31
Kamionfabbione: (I think you're probably right, but all the same I don't want to be the person who broke it :-))01:32
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fabbioneKamion: sure :) i understand perfectly :)01:34
UnfrgivenLathiat: disabling dmixer didnt work :(01:35
Unfrgivennow esd appears to start01:35
fabbioneKamion: i am keeping track of all the bits and pieces.. so you can just push them when you want01:35
Unfrgivenbut still no joy for totem, xine or mplayer01:35
Unfrgiventotem hangs. xine and mplayer segment fault01:35
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pittimdz: what do you think about putting cryptsetup into main?01:52
dokomdz: what were the problems with atlas packaging?01:53
mdzpitti: seems sane01:54
hungerpitti: Yes, that would be great!01:54
mdzdoko: I don't remember; just a vague feeling of badness01:55
mdzdoko: if it's OK, it just needs review and it can go in01:55
seb128can anybody move docbook2x and libexchange-storage1.2-dev to main to fix the gnome-doc-utils and evolution-exchanges ftbfses?01:55
hungerpitti: Want a better init-script for it/01:55
pittihunger: what did you improve?01:55
pittihunger: right now I want to add a script which eases creating and formatting an encrypted partitino01:55
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hungerpitti: Mine does work with files (sets up loopback) and allows to run scripts at farious points.01:56
hungerpitti: like format a drive, etc.01:56
Treenakshunger: nefarious points? :)01:56
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ogramdz, ping01:56
hungerTreenaks: nefarious?01:56
pittihunger: eek, formatting drives in init scripts?01:56
hungerpitti: I need that: I have a /tmp that uses a random key...01:57
pittiah, I see01:57
pittihunger: can you send me the diff?01:57
hungerpitti: So I need to format it after creating it... or mount will fail.01:57
hungerpitti: I rewrote it from scratch... didn't like the original too much;-)01:58
hungerpitti: Where can I mail it to?01:58
pittihunger: martin.pitt@ubuntu.com01:59
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dokomdz: ahh, because of the extra sse2 and 3dnow packages?02:00
hungerpitti: OK, I'll take a while... I think I should add some documentation for you;-)02:00
pittithat'd be nice :-)02:00
fabbionedoko: http://p.u.c/~fabbione/sparc-ice.tar.gz02:00
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dokofabbione: thanks, better nuumber them ;-) can I see from the source the package name?02:05
dokopitti: where do you store the po/pot data, which you put into the language packs? Can we store OOo's GSI files there too?02:06
pittidoko: they are in the tarballs stripped by pkgstriptranslations, currently hosted in people.u.c02:07
pitti... /~lamont/translations02:07
pittidoko: I could adapt pkgstriptranslations to store these files too, no problem02:07
pittidoko: however, this should be discussed with the Rosetta guys, to avoid import trouble02:08
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dokopitti: yes, waiting for carlos02:11
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carlospitti, will not be a problem at all, Rosetta will ignore any file that is not needed02:13
carlospitti, will try to answer that email later today02:13
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fabbionedoko: i did include the build-log in the tar.02:21
fabbionedoko: it's mysql-dfsg-4.1 anyway02:21
hungerpitti: send...02:22
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mdkehi all02:35
jphi :)02:36
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mdzogra: pong02:43
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pittielmo: please sync pmount from debian experimental02:49
elmo * libwnck implements the "urgent" flag now, useful for gaim by example which can use it when a message arrive02:50
elmoseb128: does that mean I can use gaim again?02:50
seb128elmo: it makes some "glowing effect" on your windows' list when you get a message02:55
seb128should be enough to notice that something is asking your attention :)02:55
elmowhich window list?02:55
seb128that's a libwnck change, which is the lib used by gnome-panel for the window list applet ... if you don't use that, no change from gaim for you02:56
mvoelmo: please sync synaptic from unstable02:57
elmoseb128: the thing in the bottom right hand of the screen?02:57
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elmomvo/pitti: done02:59
seb128elmo: the stuff that use most of the bottom panel with the default config02:59
seb128the bars with the windows' title on your workspace 02:59
elmoseb128: hum, ok03:00
mvoelmo: thanks!03:00
seb128elmo: they are working on a libnotify though, that should what you want (ie: opening something on a place of screen to say that you get a message)03:02
seb128s/what/do what/03:02
elmoseb128: woo03:02
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bddebianHeya03:03
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thomseb128: gnome-system-tools is uninstallable right now03:06
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mvothom: what is wrong with it? seems to work for me ?03:07
thomseb128: "I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/etc/gconf/schemas/gnome-system-tools.schemas"03:08
seb128thom: what does it say? what arch?03:08
thomi38603:08
seb128WTF03:08
thomthis is on a new breezy daily install03:09
seb128do you have this file?03:12
thomnope03:12
thomit doesn't appear in the contents of the deb afaict either03:12
seb128placed to /usr/share/gconf ?03:13
thomyes, it's in there03:13
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fabbioneseb128: yeah .. i have seen that too03:14
seb128thom, fabbione: somebody has put /etc/gconf/... instead of using dh_gconf, I'll fix that03:16
seb128thanks 03:16
thomnp03:16
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thomheh03:16
seb128thom: are you still maintaining firefox? :)03:16
thomhell no03:17
seb128somebody is?03:17
seb128I've 2 patches for it pointed by chpe, just wondering if I can bounce the task to somebody or if I just have to go and upload :p03:17
pittilet's demote it to universe then03:17
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thomseb128: i think pitti wants to03:18
infinity\o/03:18
bddebianheh03:18
seb128pitti: dholbach will be happy :p03:18
pittiRIGHT! :-)03:18
thomoh, yay03:18
thomand now X is segfaulting03:18
infinityThat's intentional.03:18
infinityIt prevents you from getting far enough to find all the other bugs.03:18
pittithom: Breaky Badger?03:18
fabbionelol03:19
fabbionethom: it didn't even configure here :)03:19
thompitti: utterly fucked badger, currently03:19
pittiinfinity: then that segfault should rather be in grub, shouldn't it?03:19
fabbionethom: you are more lucky than i am03:19
thomfabbione: this is after dpkg-reconfigure03:19
fabbionethom: do you still have your ia64 handy?03:19
infinitypitti : I'll get right on that.03:19
Kamionthom: the badger can never be ...03:19
fabbionethom: dpkg-reconfigure hangs on me :)03:19
Kamionno wait, wrong suite03:19
pittiKamion: your rule?03:20
thomfabbione: it took a long time to do mouse detection03:20
thomKamion: giggle03:20
fabbionethom: no.. it just hanged for like 10 minutes before i realizes it was dead....03:21
fabbionethom: if you have time.. can you fire up 2.6.12 on ia64?03:21
fabbionethom: the last version should be able to boot03:21
thomfabbione: i'll look once i fix my power03:22
fabbionesure03:22
fabbioneno rush03:22
fabbionei am in d-i mode these days03:22
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plovsi try to build a meta-package that overwrites the conf-files of the package it installs, i use "Replaces: <pkg-name>" , but still get an error about overwriting files, what is wrong?03:27
seb128overwriting config files? utch03:29
Kamionreplacing conffiles is evil03:29
Kamionyou'll probably need to make the package use a configuration file (non-dpkg-managed) instead03:30
ograbut you can do it if you are a cfengine god ;)03:30
ogra(which is evil as well)03:30
KamionI'm fairly sure you'll confuse dpkg if you try to ship the same conffile in two different .debs03:30
plovswhat would be the right way(tm) i don't want to change the original and i do want different settings?03:31
Kamionyou'd probably have to overwrite it in the postinst then - but you can never upload a package that does that to the distribution, it has to be local only03:32
plovsKamion: that's what i do atm,and it doesn't let me, but i can't think of a better way03:33
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bddebianjbailey: ping03:36
plovsso, the right way would be a script in my meta-package that changes the underlying packages so everything playes nice?03:37
plovsand run the script seperately?03:37
jbaileybddebian: pong if urgent.  Just got net access, need to go out and buy breakfast...03:38
Kamionno the right way is to fix the underlying packages to cooperate in the ways you need03:38
bddebianjbailey: Just a quickie.  Is a P2/333 OK for the FTP server?  ( I need to check disk size though )03:39
jbaileybddebian: Yes, fine.03:39
bddebianOK, thx03:39
plovsKamion: thanks03:39
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solomarvmvo, are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel list?03:53
mvosolomarv: yes03:54
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solomarvmvo, have you read the post about gksudo called "gksudo potentially ver insecure"?03:55
mvosolomarv: yes03:55
solomarvmvo, what is your opinion on this?03:55
mvosolomarv: it was dicussed before, the problem is that if people would have to enter there password too often they will probably just change the password to something so easy/short that the security benefit of having to type it all the time would go away03:57
mvosolomarv: I like the idea of a notification applet that indicates that you have (potential) root. if it would also have a option "forget sudo rights" (or something) that would be a good compromisse03:58
solomarvmvo, an applet! that's a great idea. although, it might go unnoticed by some users. what about a notification dialog window?03:59
solomarvmvo, something that says "You are running this application with root priveleges" , and have buttons {OK} and {Cancle}03:59
mvosolomarv: yes, that idea is nice as well. both might be a bit challenging on the technical side because sudo is not very frontend-friendly04:00
solomarvmvo, i will try to look into it04:00
pittiseb128: if you open system -> settings -> audio -> sound events, does the "Play" button actually work for you? I try again to chase that esd hang bug04:00
mvosolomarv: that sounds nice, thanks! if you actually start working on it, please open a whishlist bug in bugzilla, assign it to me and add "kov@debian.org" as QA contact (he is upstream) so that he knows what's going on04:01
seb128pitti: it used to work, it doesn't atm04:02
pittiseb128: not to mention that I don't get any sound events apart from the login sound in the first place, although I activated them04:02
solomarvmvo, ok. i will do this if i find that i am capable of making a patch04:02
pittiseb128: I wonder whether this might have anything to do with #12276...04:02
seb128pitti: do you use esound or polypaudio?04:03
mvosolomarv: great, thanks. if not, a whishlist bug to remind us about the issue may still be usefull04:03
pittiseb128: esound ATM, I switched again to test that bug04:04
pittiseb128: how does polypaudio work for you? I didn't get a crash in the last week04:05
pittiseb128: I'm almost apt to switch to polypaudio now to get wider testing and circumvent the esd hang for the breezy users for now04:05
seb128pitti: hum, I was using alsasink and polypaudio not started04:08
seb128the play button works now04:08
pittiseb128: ah, gnome-sound-properties hangs with esd, too04:10
pittiseb128: might be easier to debug than killing the panel :-)04:10
pittiseb128: indeed, play works with polypaudio04:11
pittiseb128: however, the sounds are still not played when the event occurs04:12
seb128pitti: there is a bug about that saying you need to restart gnome-session ....04:12
pittiah, ok04:13
pittiseb128: well, one thing after the other, I continue to chase the esd bug now04:13
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hubI upgraded to breezy, and I had to remove network-manager to be able to get network04:35
solomarvweird04:35
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hubyep04:37
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thomhub: anything in daemon.log?04:37
hubthom: can't tell right now., I left the laptop at home ;-/04:37
thomah04:37
hubI'll look at it and file a bug04:37
hubI could access it if they didn't break the VPN here 04:38
thomif you were upgrading from the pacakges at people.u.com/~thom they may well break04:38
hubthom: using the universe package04:38
thomi'd remove network-manager-gnome entirely and the reinstall network-manager04:38
thomok04:38
hubresolvconf has never worked also04:39
solomarvmvo, i downloaded gksu source using "apt-get source gksu". do you know how to build it now?04:39
hubbecause it does no honnour the DNS passed by the DHCP server04:39
hubI reported the bug upstream04:39
hubso I'll take some time tonight to file a proper bug04:40
thomyou mean resolvconf with NM, or on its own?04:40
thomok, cool04:40
hubwith NM04:40
thomdon't report a bug on resolvconf about that04:40
hubok04:40
thomit's purely an NM problem, and I know how to fix it04:40
hubjust for the NM breakage04:40
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mvosolomarv: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot (if you have fakeroot installed)04:42
solomarvok04:42
mvoseb128! you have a blog now?04:43
ograoh, he blogged *again* ? 04:44
mvoogra: two times today!04:44
ograwoah04:44
TreenaksI hope he's blogging & uploading at the same time.. otherwise I'd have to miss my New Gnome crack!04:44
seb128mvo: that's not new, I just use it now :p04:45
seb128Treenaks: I blog about the updates :p04:45
Treenaksseb128: cool :)04:45
Treenaksseb128: so now we know what crack we're getting ;)04:46
Treenaksuh, wow.. people still use advogato?04:47
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hubTreenaks: some still do04:50
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adamhHas anybody here installed ubuntu on a flash drive? How well would it work?04:53
hubadamh: can you boot off the flash drive ?04:55
adamhhub: yes04:55
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loohi05:01
looDoes someone know how I can use a SMP kernel with hoary, ich have a ASUS Server with 2 xeon cpus and if I use a smp kernel the system freezes when gdm starts05:02
looI found in the forums some people with the same problem, but no solutions05:03
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wasabi_sounds like a pretty serious bug05:04
wasabi_are there any bug reports for it?05:04
looyes, .. wait a moment05:05
loohttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=UPSTREAM&bug_status=PENDINGUPLOAD&field0-0-0=product&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=smp&field0-0-1=component&type0-0-1=substring&value0-0-1=smp&field0-0-2=short_desc&type0-0-2=substring&value0-0-2=smp&field0-0-3=status_whiteboard&type0-0-3=substring&value0-0-3=smp&field1-0-0=product&type1-0-0=sub05:07
looBUG: 1013505:07
solomarvloo, you should comment that bug with information you have gathered. 05:08
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looI tried linux-image2.6.11-1-686-smp and 2.6.10-5-686-smp05:09
ograthere is no supported 2.6.1105:09
ograthats a bitkeeper development snapshot from mit feb.05:10
ogras/mit/mid05:10
loook05:10
loobut 2.6.10 doesn't work too05:10
adamhIs there a way to install Ubuntu on jffs2? (I want to set up Ubuntu on a flash drive)05:11
Kamionthe installer doesn't support jffs2 - you'd have to set up the filesystem by hand using debootstrap or similar05:12
adamhCould I not pre-partition/format the drive, then run the installer and tell it not to repartition?05:12
ograloo, i would follow up with the data fabbione asked for in that bug, it probably helps tracking it down05:12
adamh(since I notice the stock Ubuntu kernel comes with jffs2 support)05:13
wasabi_Heh. In the Menu Editor, the hide checkbox is reversed.05:13
wasabi_"Hide" is checked to show.05:13
Kamionadamh: no, because the jffs2 module isn't shipped in udeb form, which would be needed in order for the installer to be able to mount it05:14
Kamionsorry05:14
ograwasabi_, thats a string bug :-P just add a "Un" as prefix ;)05:14
adamhKamion: Okay, well, I'm tempted to try this anyway some night :). I haven't installed Ubuntu in a while, does it have a "server" installation option which omits an X server?05:15
Kamionyes, type 'server' at the boot prompt05:15
adamhKamion: Great :)05:15
Kamiondebootstrap really is your best option though, unless you fancy some installer hacking :)05:15
wasabi_I might call it "Show" instead.05:15
adamhKamion: I guess there are debootstrap howtos I can find with Google, right?05:16
Kamionhttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/apcs04.html05:16
Kamionadamh: alternatively, install onto a regular filesystem, and then copy that onto jffs2 in one shot later05:16
adamhKamion: Thank you! :)05:17
Kamionadamh: that might involve fewer flash writes, too05:17
adamhKamion: yeah, that'll probably be faster05:17
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loobtw, should I use for xeon amd64 or x86?05:18
thomx8605:18
adamhI'm a bit worried about the booting part... I know I can boot from flash, but what will the /dev entry be? /dev/sde?05:19
Kamionyou could boot the installer in rescue mode to find out05:20
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solomarvdoes anyone here have permissions to edit pages on wiki?05:21
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solomarvprobably should ask at #ubuntu-doc05:23
ograsolomarv, everybody can change the wiki05:23
loodoes someone know what "usb-handoff" as booting parameter means?05:23
adamhKamion: Thank you for all your help :)05:24
loowith usb-handsoff the system does not freeze when gdm starts05:24
solomarvogra, oh yeah, i need to create a login05:24
loobut after login ;)05:24
loo:(05:24
ograsolomarv, yep :)05:24
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Kamionadamh: no problem05:28
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adamhHeh, one last question: if I'm installing onto a flash drive, should I put a swap partition? (I've got 256MB RAM)05:31
Lathiatswap on flash is bad05:32
Lathiatit'l eat it05:32
Lathiatflash has a limited number of write cycles05:32
adamhYeah, I'm more worried about speed, though.05:32
Lathiattrust me, its a bad idea :P05:32
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adamhSo I'd have a server without a swap partition... whee, I've never used Linux without a swap partition before :)05:34
mdzdaniels: did you get my question about timing the start of a client vs. the X server?05:34
wasabi_beagle somehow doesn't depend on mono05:36
ograwasabi_, mono is a metapackage05:36
wasabi_Hmm. Okay. What's libMonoPosixHelper?05:37
ograwasabi_, it depends on the interpreter (mono-jit)05:37
wasabi_Getting a DllNotFoundException05:37
tsengits in libmono0-dev05:38
wasabi_libmono0 perhaps?05:38
ograthat should be in mono-assemblies-base afaik05:38
tsengbecause of an upstream bug05:38
ograoh05:38
tsengthey named it .so.X05:38
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tsengbut it uses .so at runtime05:38
tsengwhich is wrong05:38
tseng(its fixed upstream now)05:39
wasabi_Still missing it, and I have all that installed05:39
tsengls /usr/lib/libMonoPosixHelper.*05:40
tsengyou need .so05:40
tsengif you dont have it, it doesnt work05:40
wasabi_Well, it's there. No .so though. I see.05:40
wasabi_Need to make the link myself?05:40
tseng$ dpkg -S /usr/lib/libMonoPosixHelper.so 05:40
tsenglibmono-dev: /usr/lib/libMonoPosixHelper.so05:40
tsengWFM.05:41
wasabi_Cool.05:41
tsengyou said you had that05:41
tsengi am doubting you05:42
wasabi_I didn't have -dev installed.05:42
tsengok :)05:42
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wasabi_Wow. It works.05:43
wasabi_That ROCKS.05:43
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dokoelmo: can we upgrade one powerpc buildd to a ppc64 kernel? i.e. gcc-4.0 still seems to use huge memory building ooo2 (boost templates), and I'd like to turn on the gcc-4.0 testsuite for ppc6405:46
elmodoko: not today05:46
elmoI'll try and do it later in the week, but I have a bunch of other stuff to do that's time critical05:46
elmolamont/infinity: oh (not) speaking of, I need to reinstall royal at some point05:47
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mdzelmo: speaking of which, did you get a handle on the approach for backports?05:49
dokoelmo: thanks. do we have a powerpc devel machine with an 32bit kernel?05:49
mxpxpodjbailey: ping05:49
wasabi_Just neesd to search IRC now.05:50
elmodoko: nope05:50
highvoltageelmo: read your private messages05:50
mdzhighvoltage: you're still here in london?05:51
highvoltagemdz: yes.05:51
jpjbailey evo receiving option crash bug ;)05:51
highvoltagewill be leaving tonight05:51
mdzhighvoltage: I am impatient for you to get back and try the new thin client stuff ;-)05:52
highvoltagemdz: me too! really!05:53
highvoltagei'm also on a bit of a high from the weekend, I didn't expect such a positive reaction.05:53
highvoltagei'm eager to get home, put that iso together and send it to you so that you can set up a test system with my software too.05:53
highvoltagemdz: ltsp-client messed up my laptop badly, btw :)05:54
mdzhighvoltage: oh, I'll bet05:54
ograhighvoltage, rather work on the edubuntu iso with me and make sure all your apps are in ;) 05:54
mdzhighvoltage: do you have your code in a revision control system?05:55
Mezhmm05:55
highvoltageogra: ok, i'll do that too!05:55
ogra;)05:55
Mezgnome-pkg-tools = unauthenticeated yet from gb.archive.ubuntu.com05:55
highvoltagemdz: heh! no. nothing that fancy! this is hacky to the maximum extent possible.05:55
seb128Mez: what?05:57
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Kamionhighvoltage: you don't consider revision control systems to be totally basic? :-)05:58
Mezseb128, I jsut installed gnome-pkg-tools and it said the package could not be authenticated, then went and downloaded from an ubuntu archive.05:59
Mezwhereas normally only packages that cant be authenticated are from kubuntu/backportsd05:59
seb128Mez: the authentification is for the mirror, not the packages06:00
Mezseb128, yes, but i;m wondering why the mirror is authenticating wrong... or if that package has been compromised06:00
ograMez, did you apt-get update before the installation of gnome-pkg-tools ?06:01
seb128try to install an another package ...06:01
highvoltageKamion: well, no one worked on it besides me, and I didn't have an internet connection while working on it, and I had a few minutes a day to work on it, so I didn't even think of a revision system at the time06:02
Mezogra... i did one this morning...06:02
Mez(am on hoary)06:03
Kamionhighvoltage: I find that using a revision control system makes me much more relaxed about making big changes to code, on the grounds that I know I've still got the last working version06:03
ograMez, 1. try another package and reproduce, 2. run apt-get update and see it vanish for the next package :)06:03
Mezmeh t'works now06:03
Mezit was onlt that package  - lol06:03
Mezweird06:03
highvoltageKamion: you're right.06:04
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Mezhmm06:08
Mezwhy is debian/rules modifying debian/control06:08
Kamionsome debian/control files are generated06:09
Kamionsometimes this is extremely scary and wrong, sometimes only mildly scary06:09
Kamiondepending on which parts of the file are generated06:09
ograbut still not right :)06:09
bddebian2Heh06:09
Kamionwell, there are only certain bits which will get you into trouble06:09
Kamionlike build-dependencies06:09
Mezhmm06:10
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Kamionfiddling with the binary stanzas is generally ok, if you're very careful06:10
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MezI foudn out why - it does weird things from control.in06:10
Kamionbut it's a "dire emergencies only" option06:10
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MezI'm backporting epiphany which depends on firefox ... it's mozilla-firefox in hoary :D06:10
highvoltagehttp://edubuntu.org/Preview_Wallpaper_Examples06:11
Mezunless someone wants to add pseudo packages to hoary for firefox to point to mozilla-firefox ;)06:11
Mezhighvoltage, nice but... the logo /could/ be considered sexist06:11
ograhighvoltage, i think the logo still needs fixing... the e needs to move nearer to the d06:12
ograhighvoltage, but they look cool06:12
mdzMez: beg your pardon?06:12
highvoltageMez: how is it sexist?06:13
Mezlol - symbology :D the "hand" bit could be concieved as a phallus :P06:13
KamionMez: I'll echo the general "eh?"06:13
KamionI think if you equate hands with phalluses ... well. :-)06:13
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Mez(sorry been reading a lot of symbology books recently)06:13
Mezkamion - I just saw the bit sticking up... and thought that... didnt see the rest of the logo06:14
highvoltagehehe06:14
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highvoltagemdz: have you played with privoxy before?06:27
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stratusfabbione, any hint on #12417 ?06:30
mdzhighvoltage: no, ogra mentioned it today06:31
highvoltageit's really cool, I would highly recommend that you look at it.06:31
mdzhighvoltage: unless it's obviously superior to what the community is already using, I don't think we should change now06:31
mdzwe've held two discussions about content filtering, and both times people have said "squidguard or dansguardian"06:31
highvoltageit has a web interface, small footprint, it's based on internet junkbuster...06:31
fabbionestratus: no. this is the latest driver/firmware set from upstream.06:31
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highvoltagei think it's fine if we stick with dansgaurdian/squid. I still urge you to look at privoxy, though.06:32
cooliohi matt- thought we will still have a beer but only return at 12h00 last night06:32
fabbioneand i don't own any of thes ipw2x00 hw.. so for me it's a jump in the empty space each time06:32
highvoltagemdz: sorry, i shouldn't be giving you more work, please ignore me :)06:32
mdzcoolio: do you leave with jonathan?06:33
mdzfabbione: they're very popular; it should be no problem at all to find testers06:33
mdzI can see five of them from where I am sitting right now06:33
chrissturmfabbione, someone commented on the bug that he fixed it by compiling the upstream driver. maybe it has to do with the patches that are applied06:33
coolioyep I cant wait-we are at the hotel till 18h0006:33
fabbionemdz: i know that.. but i can't fix with blind uploads06:34
fabbionechrissturm: that's the ipw210006:34
fabbionechrissturm: and it's a known problem06:34
mdzfabbione: there is no way that you can test every driver; sometimes (especially before UVF) you need to trust upstream and let the community test06:34
fabbionemdz: this is the last version of the drivers..06:34
KamionUVF is tomorrow06:35
chrissturmfabbione, sorry, i thought that was the 2100 bug again06:35
mdzKamion: UVF is Thursday06:35
fabbioneand both upstreams are broken because they are focusing in getting the drivers upstream for .1306:35
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mdzwe are under the new Thursday World Order, or TWO06:35
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fabbioneso the situation is a mess06:35
fabbionebecause upstream they merged the wrong ieee8* layer06:35
Kamionyeah, I'd forgotten about the Thursday change, despite writing it up :-)06:36
fabbioneand the overall doesn't make our life simpler06:36
fabbionemdz: we never really respected UVF for kernel drivers exactly for the above reasons06:36
fabbionestratus: you can try to compile the ipw2200 from the sf.net site and see if it solves?06:37
fabbioneif that works.. than i suspect something really bad happened at merge time06:37
siretartmvo: I don't have real access to my imap folder, so I had to copy n paste my encrypted message around. I hope you could decrypt my message06:37
stratusfabbione, yes i can reading the messages above wait..06:37
jp:)06:39
stratusfabbione, i'll test it now. btw i checked the firmware files and the md5sum files match.06:39
fabbionestratus: i am sure the firmwares are ok...06:39
fabbionestratus: their update is way simpler than the driver one :)06:39
stratusheh ok06:39
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fabbionestratus: anyway if it works or not.. add a comment to the bug.. i will be off soon06:39
fabbionestratus: and i will look at it tomorrow06:40
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stratusi'll let you know, thanks06:40
fabbionethanks for checking06:40
stratusnp06:40
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stratus:)06:48
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carlosdoko, around?07:04
carlosdoko, you are in charge of gcc, right?07:04
carlosok, question solved07:06
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{Seb}sorry to ask but....is x still broken?07:08
{Seb}after doing an upgrade last night, it said that an executable called 'X' could not be found07:09
chrissturm{Seb}, it works for me on my ati card and its broken for me on i81007:10
{Seb}mine are atis07:10
chrissturm/usr/bin/X07:11
chrissturmchi% ls -l /usr/bin/X07:11
chrissturmlrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 14 2005-07-04 01:19 /usr/bin/X -> ../X11R6/bin/X07:11
chrissturmoops, sorry07:11
carstenhjbailey: ping07:23
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jbaileycarstenh: pong - still moving furniture and stuff, so I'm *very* laggy.08:18
bddebian2jbailey: You are moving again?08:18
carstenhjbailey: hi, nothing important. we can also talk tomorrow08:18
jbaileybddebian2: Eh?08:19
jbaileybddebian2: This is my first move in the last 4 years.08:19
bddebian2jbailey: NM. :-)08:19
bddebian2jbailey: Oh for some reason I thought you moved recently.08:19
jbaileycarstenh: If you can email me, I'll catch up on that this evening.08:19
jbaileyWe went out to buy some stuff and shower curtains and stuff.  08:19
bddebian2ahh08:19
bddebian2Well get back to work then. :-)08:19
mxpxpodjbailey: ping08:19
jbaileymxpxpod: See above. =)  very laggy.08:20
mxpxpodjbailey: yeah, I saw that :)... just wondering if you know what "R_PPC_REL24 relocation at 0x0ff77fc8 for symbol08:21
mxpxpod`malloc' out of range" means08:21
carstenhjbailey: as i already said, nothing important. i just wanted to ask if it would make sense wo work with the GraphicalConfigTools-project together or if i should extend gnome-system-tools08:22
jbaileymxpxpod: It means your binutils or gcc is having issues and you should treat it nicer.  What arch?08:23
jbaileyoh, pcc08:23
jbaileyppc08:23
jbaileyduh. =)08:23
mxpxpod:)08:23
jbaileyPardon me, I'm tired. =)08:23
mxpxpodit's happening with libwnck08:23
mxpxpodwith the workspace switcher applet08:24
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jbaileycarstenh: The trick is that you need to finish by the end of August right?  (And earlier in order to make the Breezy target)08:26
jbaileyI'm guessing that the backend logic is probably the same all around, and that gst might have some extensibility options you can play with.08:26
carstenhjbailey: yes GraphicalConfigTools is a SoC-project too08:26
jbaileySo that way you're losing very little.08:26
jbaileyOh, is it?08:26
jbaileyHmm08:26
carstenhyes08:26
carstenhwho is gst?08:27
mxpxpodgst == gstreamer08:27
jbaileyI don't know who's involved with that, but I usually try to avoid tying my vapourware projects with other people's vapourware projects.  It makes it harder to make them come true.08:27
jbaileygnome system tools08:27
jbaileysorry08:27
mxpxpodoh, right08:27
mxpxpoddon't mind me08:27
carstenhbut don't know what excatly they planned08:27
jbaileyThat's what I mean.08:28
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jbaileyYou tie yourself to someone else's development cycle then.08:28
carstenhjbailey: ok, thanks. then i'll extend gst :)08:28
jbaileyIt would be good if you think of the code as needing to eventually go somewhere else (so don't play with gst internals more than absolutely necessary) and that way it can be integrated later.08:28
jbaileyBut given your timeframe, I wouldn't rely on a project that's due at the same time as yours.08:29
carstenhyes, good point :)08:29
carstenhjbailey: thanks for your time :)08:30
jbaileyAnytime, sorry for the poor timing of my move. =)08:31
mxpxpodjbailey: you're forgiven this time ;)08:31
jbaileymxpxpod: ;)08:31
mxpxpodjbailey: does binutils affect runtime?08:31
jbaileymxpxpod: So what were you doing to your box to get a reloc error on malloc?08:31
mxpxpodjbailey: umm, I installed breezy and whammo08:32
mxpxpodeverything else works, though08:32
mxpxpodwhich is really strange08:32
mxpxpodit's only on libwnck08:32
jbaileyWhat app gave you this?08:32
jbaileyOy.08:32
mxpxpodworkspace-switcher applet08:32
mxpxpodhold on, I filed a bug08:33
jbaileyI haven't assemlbed my boxes yet.08:33
mxpxpodhttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1224108:33
jbailey(or my desk for that matter.  I'm on my laptop on the floor)08:33
mxpxpodignore my last post because I'm an idiot and I don't know what I'm talking about08:33
mxpxpodjbailey: a new version of libwnck came out and I'm getting a relocation error on a new symbol08:34
jbaileyI'd have to take a look at it, but it sounds like some sort of evilness in gcc/glibc/binutils rather than something in libwnck.08:34
jbaileyUnless they've done some linker magic of some sort in there.08:34
mxpxpodjbailey: XextRemoveDisplay08:35
jbaileyBut I'll need to reproduce and take a look with readelf.08:35
mxpxpodwhat's readelf?08:35
jbaileybinutils tool that disects the linker bits in a program or library.08:35
jbaileyYou can learn alot about how the program is structured that way.08:36
jbaileyTry "readelf -a /bin/ls" for instance.08:36
jbailey(Might want to feed it through less)08:36
mxpxpodhmm08:36
jbaileyYou can see which module defines which symbols, which ones are defined, not, weakly or strongly.08:36
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mxpxpodthat's interesting08:37
mxpxpodwell, I reinstalled glibc from archives.ubuntu.com (after deleting the one from /var/cache/apt/archives) and that didn't solve it08:37
mxpxpodso I don't think it's a glibc issue08:37
mxpxpodjbailey: and I seem to be the only one suffering from this problem08:39
jbaileyOh, so the question is whether you've got something strayin lying in your path.08:39
mxpxpodjbailey: I think... but I'd be curious to see if this happens to you08:40
jbaileyYeah, I should have at least one ppc box up by the end of the night.  Both by midday tomorrow at the latest.08:41
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mxpxpodsweet08:42
mxpxpodjbailey: when's "the end of the night"?08:42
jbaileyHopefully 6 to 8 hours from now.08:43
mxpxpodsweet08:44
mxpxpodjbailey: binutils doesn't affect runtime, does it?08:44
jbaileyNo, it's compile time.08:45
mxpxpodok08:45
mxpxpodso reinstalling it wouldn't affect the relocation I'm getting08:46
jbaileyNo.08:46
jbaileyBut it should also affect others.08:46
mxpxpodsee, that's what gets me08:47
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jbaileyIs this an Ubuntu chroot on a Debian system, or a full Ubuntu system?08:47
mxpxpodfull ubuntu08:47
jbailey'k, so it's not a strange mismatch there then.08:47
mxpxpodright08:48
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malexHi. I am maintaining a package in Debian and also participating in the upstream development of the packaged software. How can I find out who maintains my package in Ubuntu? I would like to talk to that person/people.08:52
solomarvmalex, do you use ubuntu?08:52
malexsolomarv: no08:52
hungermalex: From what I understand it is maintained by whoever finds the time to do so... ubuntu has way fewer developers than debian.08:53
solomarvmalex, what package do you maintain?08:53
hungermalex: But I am just a hang-on, so I might be wrong:-)08:53
bddebian-ngA hang-on?08:53
malexsolomarv: I use Debian, but a sufficient number of Ubuntu users began appearing on the upstream ML and in the IRC channel that I would like to assist in building up-to-date Ubuntu packages from what I maintain in an upstream repository.08:54
malexsolomarv: scribus and related packages08:54
hungerbddebian-ng: I hang on to ubuntu till I find something better;-)08:54
bddebian-ngThere's alway Gentoo.. ;-P08:54
solomarvno flames08:54
ivoksdid i hear good? nokia, siemens, ercisson, philips and alcatel are lobbying against software patents?08:55
ivoksin the form they are proposed now08:55
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hungermalex: scribus seems to be in main... so this should be the proper channel...08:55
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hungerbddebian-ng: I said something better, not  more annoying.08:55
bddebian-ng:-)08:55
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solomarvmalex: Olkesandr Moskalenko <malex@tagancha.org> is shows as maintainer. lol, is that you?08:56
malexsolomarv: So, I guess my questiion could be rephrased to "who should I contact to make them aware of a debian repository I maintain upstream, so they could build more up-to-date packages for ubuntu". This is important to me as Scribus develops fairly fast and it is imperative to stay current. 1.2.1 in the Ubuntu breezy is too old already.08:56
malexsolomarv: Yes08:56
malexsolomarv: Oleksandr actually08:56
solomarvmalex, i know, it was a typo08:57
malexsolomarv: :)08:57
solomarvso malex, you are shown as the maintainer. i don't know how to help you further08:57
malexsolomarv: How can I make it known to people who build Scribus package for Ubunty about the upstream repository? That's all the help I "need" :)08:58
chrissturmmalex, you could file a bug08:58
Riddellmalex: hi08:58
malexRiddell: hello08:58
Riddellmalex: I maintain Kubuntu so I'm happy to look after scribus packages08:59
malexRiddell: I have a wiki page in the upstream wiki: http://wiki.scribus.net/index.php/Scribus_on_Debian_GNU/Linux Would that be a sufficient starting point?09:00
Riddellmalex: cool, how far behind is ubuntu just now?09:03
Riddell1.2.1-109:03
Riddellmalex: what's on http://debian.scribus.net/debian/ and what's on http://debian.tagancha.org/ ?09:03
malexRiddell: 1.2.1 is _too_ old. 1.2.2.1 was just released and I track cvs changes at least once a week.09:03
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malexRiddell: I don't upload the packages into Debian very often as I'm still in Damination (waiting for debian account creation basically) and need a sponsor for that, but I keep my upstream repositories very current.09:04
malexRiddell: debian.scribus.net is a primary and debian.tagancha.org is a backup upstream repositories I maintain. They are synchronized on every package upload, i.e. identical.09:05
malexRiddell: We had a discussion among scribus devz about different distros and I thought I'd try to get scribus to be more current in Ubuntu :)09:06
malexRiddell: scribus-cvs mentioned in the wiki page is actually a non-policy conformant (installs into /usr/local for parallel use with scribus 1.2.x) package of the developmental series (1.3cvs). Quite a few people are interested in it, so I package it upstream only.09:07
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Riddellmalex: I don't see 1.2.2.109:13
malexRiddell: I patched 1.2.2 as the 1.2.2.1 tarball wasn't ready, yet. So, 1.2.2-2 is the fixed version of 1.2.2-1.09:14
malexRiddell: See 02-pageitem.cpp.patch in "debian/patches".09:14
Riddellmalex: so 1.2.2-2 is effectivly 1.2.2.1?09:15
malexyes09:15
Riddellmalex: are you going to make 1.2.2.1 packages?09:15
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malexRiddell: I think it's a good idea to avoid users asking "where is 1.2.2.1?". Though the upstream repos will be 1.2.2+cvs200507xx within a week, I expect. The way to 1.2.3 has already begun.09:17
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pittiseb128: does serpentine actually work for you?09:18
pittiseb128: when I click on "write CD", nothing happens09:18
ograpitti, it works for a bunch of people09:18
seb128pitti: nop09:18
Riddellmalex: can you poke me when you have 1.2.2.1 packages and I'll test and upload them to ubuntu09:18
malexRiddell: sure. ttyl.09:18
seb128pitti: I keep saying we have almost no feedback on it ...09:18
ograpitti, in fact i heard this release solves the bugs in ubuntus bugzilla...09:19
seb128pitti: it was broken by gnome-python for some time and we didn't even get a bug about it, I doubt somebody actually uses it09:19
ograseb128, i get a lot of feedback in#ubuntu-motu09:19
pittiwhen I insert a CD, I'm asked what to burn, I click on "audio", nothing happens09:19
ogratseng was the last who reported it working to me iirc09:19
pittiso I started serpentine manually, but burning doesn't work eitehr09:19
tsengi reported it not crashing :)09:20
seb128ogra: and you have not bugged when it got broken by nautilus-cd-burner changes?09:20
ograseb128, i havent burned anything the last 3 weeks ....09:20
seb128k, and nobody pointed it to you09:20
seb128that's what I say09:20
ogranope09:21
seb128the userbase is small09:21
seb128it can be broken for weeks without anybody noticing09:21
ograi'll make another call on the lists09:21
seb128cool09:21
ogralets see how the response is09:21
ograseb128, sorry, i'm currently wearing blinkers and am a bit focused on edubuntu... thats becoming huge...09:23
seb128np09:24
seb128did you get a reply about the videolan mail?09:24
ograplase poke me heavy if i miss something and thanks ;)09:24
seb128don't worry, all is fine09:24
ogranope, but imet hilton in london this weekend, he didnt notice that we go with gstreamer currently09:25
seb128if we don't have a lot of feedback on serpentine atm that's probably because people don't need it that much :p09:25
ograheh... then they wont even notice if we remove it again :P09:26
ograbut i really wouldnt like to cripple gnomebaker or graveman09:26
ograjust to get it in main....09:27
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pittibah, I hate my ISP, he fiddled with the port blockers again09:33
pittiseb128, ogra: did you say anything after "<pitti> so I started serpentine manually, but burning..."?09:34
ograhmm09:34
mvohehe09:34
ogra:)09:34
mvopoor pitti ;)09:34
ograat least he seems to keep the ip :)09:35
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ograhey pitti09:38
pitti_bah, I *really* hate these ISP guys09:38
pitti_IRC doesn't work, and they also cut my ssh sessions to my server (where irssi is now running)09:38
pitti_ogra, seb128: in any case I know better what's going on09:39
ografun... dont you use the telecom ? 09:39
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pitti_ogra: no DSL here, long story09:39
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ograiheard they want to provide wlan09:39
ograin all areas where fiber blocks the dsl09:40
hungerpitti_: Did you get my mails?09:40
ograpitti_, so whats going on ?09:40
pitti_ogra: at the time nothing happens it tries to throw an exception, but the exception constructor takes 3 args, but the exception initialization only provides two09:41
pitti_ogra: the exception it tries to raise is about a wrong temporary dir09:41
ograoh09:41
\shhmmm..we should replace konsole with gnome-terminal09:41
pitti_ogra: it fetches the temporary dir from some "preferences" structure09:41
pitti_ogra: but there is no temp dir key in gconf09:42
ograpitti_, could you bug it ? ustream is on CC aotomaticaly09:42
ograupstream even09:42
pitti_ogra: sure, I try to fix it09:42
pitti_guys, I guess I'll be pretty much IRC less this evening09:42
ogra:(09:42
pitti_if there's something urgent, please email me or ping my mobile09:42
seb128pitti_: dude, you have already worked your 8 hours today I'm sure, don't worry about not working on the evening :)09:43
ograseb128++09:44
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pitti_seb128: nope, I was in the cinema in the afternoon :-)09:46
seb128elm<TAB>09:46
seb128where is elmo? gnome-games-extra-data sync please :p09:46
pitti_ogra: it tries to read /apps/serpentine/temporary_dir from gconf, but there is no such key *grumpf*09:46
seb128pitti_: you enjoyed the movie?09:46
ograhmm... schema bug09:47
seb128pitti_: create it09:47
pitti_seb128: Star Wars 3, yes, was quite good :-)09:47
pitti_ogra: how can that work for some people?09:47
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seb128serpentine has no schemas09:48
ograseb128, it has here09:48
seb128ogra: the source package has no schema on my box09:48
seb128ogra: and that's from here I've uploaded the package09:48
ograpitti_, i guess it was in an older version....09:48
ograseb128, i have a schema09:48
seb128ogra: dpkg -L serpentine | grep schemas ?09:49
ograon a machine i deinstalled serpentine....09:49
ograso it was in an old version09:49
ograand is missing now09:49
seb1280.5 and 0.6.1 have no schemas09:49
seb128where is your schemas ?09:49
ograwhere do the gconf keys come from then ? 09:50
seb128the app can set them on first start09:50
seb128to know if you have a schema use gconf-editor and browser /schemas09:50
pitti_now I at least fixed the exception09:50
pitti_and get a proper error dialog that tells me about the missing cache directory09:50
ograah, yes, seb128 youre right, there is no schema, but /home/ogra/.gconf/apps/serpentine/%gconf.xml09:51
seb128pitti_: 09:51
seb128$ gconftool-2 -R /apps/serpentine09:51
seb128 use_max_speed = true09:51
seb128 eject = false09:51
seb128 view_toolbar = true09:51
seb128 specify_speed = false09:51
seb128temporary_dir = file:///tmp09:51
seb128 write_speed = 109:51
pitti_$ gconftool-2 -R /apps/serpentine09:51
pitti_ eject = true09:51
pitti_ view_toolbar = true09:51
pitti_ write_speed = 2409:51
seb128booooog09:52
ograbeeh09:52
pitti_bah, no debian/patches09:52
bddebian-ng"Ah, I see you have the machine that goes bing"09:52
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seb128  File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/serpentine/common.py", line 118, in validate_music_list09:52
seb128    raise SerpentineCacheError (SerpentineCacheError.INVALID, "Please "    \09:52
seb128TypeError: __init__() takes exactly 2 arguments (3 given)09:52
seb12809:52
pitti_seb128: right, that's the bug I just fixed09:52
seb128I get that here when clicking on the record icon09:52
seb128$ gconftool-2 -R /apps/serpentine09:53
seb128 eject = true09:53
seb128 view_toolbar = true09:53
seb128 write_speed = 4809:53
seb12809:53
seb128after cleaning my gconf09:53
seb128so the new version doesn't write correctly the config09:53
ograyep09:53
seb128and it doesn't use a schemas09:53
ograit really should...09:53
comadrejaI need some help, I'm trying to debug totem because of bug 1169309:57
comadrejamy problem is, even when I pass CFLAGS="-g -O0" to configure09:58
comadrejaI get no debugging symbols09:58
comadrejaoh, I see09:59
comadrejanostrip, right ?09:59
bddebian-ngYep10:00
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comadrejathanks10:01
pitti_ogra: I uploaded a version with the fixed exception for now10:02
ograpitti_, wow, thanks :)10:02
pitti_now I debug the temp dir10:02
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bddebian-ngHello sabdfl10:03
comadrejawhat's the proper place to set DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS ?10:04
\shwhen is meeting? 22UTC?10:05
mdke\sh, yes10:05
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\shmdke: thx10:06
sabdflhiya bddebian-ng10:07
sabdfl\sh: in two hours, roughly10:07
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\shsabdfl: yeah :) good evening btw10:08
pitti_Hey sabdfl 10:08
sabdflhi!10:08
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pitti_cool, all went well?10:08
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Mezhey sabdfl, btw - twas nice meeting you (briefly) :P10:13
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pitti_ogra: *sigh* now I fixed the temp dir issue by providing a fallback value, now it greets me with "converting files to wav failed"10:16
pitti_ogra: WTF wrote this? 10:16
ograpitti_, the last version worked better ....10:16
pitti_ogra: btw, nowhere in the code the tempdir key is actually written, it's just read without a default10:16
pitti_ogra: maybe we should revert to the last version then?10:17
pitti_ogra: shall I upload the temp dir fix nevertheless?10:17
pitti_or do you want to care for that yourself?10:17
sabdflpitti_: a few glitches, but so far all looks good10:17
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ograpitti_, lets see what upstrem says about it...10:18
pitti_ogra: where shall I forward the patches?10:18
malexRiddell: I have scribus-1.2.2.1-1 and scribus-doc-1.2.2.1 package in the upstream repos. Thanks.10:18
ograpitti_, bugzille.ubuntu.com ;)10:18
Riddellmalex: cool :)10:18
ograpitti_, bugzilla indeed10:18
pitti_ogra: the funny thing is, there are widget callbacks for adjusting the temp dir, but no widget that calls them10:19
pitti_ogra: CC somebody?10:19
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ograpitti_, me, if i'm not in the default CC, i dont know if seb128 added me too10:20
seb128there is no default Cc:10:20
seb128there is 1 assignement and 1 QA10:20
seb128the bugs are assigned to the desktop-bugs list and the QA is upstream10:21
ograah10:21
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pitti_rogra: did you ever try to burn ogg files?10:35
ograpitti_r, yep, worked fine when i tried it with v410:36
ograbut its a while ago10:36
mxpxpodogra: you're working on gnome-power, right?10:36
ogramxpxpod, i package it and am in tight contact with upstream, yes10:37
mxpxpodogra: who's the upstream author?10:37
ograrichard hughes10:37
ogra(hughsie)10:38
mxpxpodoh, right10:38
ograhe's around from time to time...10:38
pitti_rogra: it seems that it uses gstreamer to convert ogg files, and I do have gstreamer0.8-vorbis installed...10:39
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ograpitti_r, hmm, packaging bug then...10:39
pitti_rogra: hm?10:40
ograoh, i read dont for do10:40
pitti_rogra: WARNING: erroneous pipeline: could not link audioscale0 to wavenc010:46
pitti_rogra: maybe they should test their gstreamer pipelines before using them...10:46
ograhmm... incompatible gstreamer version probably...10:46
pitti_rogra: if I remove the audioscale from the pipe, it works with gst-launch10:46
ograhmm10:47
pitti_rWOW10:48
pitti_rit actually prepares my disc now!!!10:48
ograyay10:48
ograpitti_r, you can run it with -s for simlation mode10:49
pitti_rogra: it's still dumb, rather than piping the wavs directly to cdrecord and burn it track-wise, it dumps 650 MB in my /tmp...10:49
ograit desnt use cdrecord directly10:49
pitti_rogra: oh, I actually *want* that CD burned, that's why I started that stuff in the first place :-)10:49
ograit uses nautilus-cd-burner10:49
mxpxpodpitti_r: since nautilus-cd-burner uses cdrecord, it doesn't do piping10:50
pitti_rthat sucks10:50
mxpxpodyea, it does10:50
pitti_rthere's no reason for 650 MB of files in /tmp, that will break people's tmpfs horribly10:51
mxpxpodwhich is why after my next release of coaster, I'm going to do a rewrite of libburn so we can get on-the-fly cd burning within applications10:51
ogramxpxpod, so fix coaster :) i would have loved to discuss it as alternative...10:51
mxpxpodogra: cdrecord sucks10:51
ograi know10:51
pitti_rogra: would you mind if I add a dependency to gstreamer0.8-vorbis?10:51
mxpxpoduntil we get a library that does the burning nicely, cd recording on linux will suck10:51
ograbut we're lacking alternatives10:51
mdkeelmo isn't around?10:52
\shwho is responsible for the wiki?10:52
ograpitti_r, absolutely not :)10:52
mxpxpodthat's why I'm going to work on a rewrite of libburn10:52
mxpxpodpitti_r: why not make it a suggestion?10:52
mdke\sh, we have some pages for bugs and recommendations10:52
mdke\sh, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/wiki10:52
mxpxpodogra: by friday, I hope to have a new release of coaster that does audio10:52
pitti_rmxpxpod: well, Recommends: would be appropriate IMHO10:52
mxpxpodpitti_r: oh, right10:52
mxpxpodogra: so, it will cover what n-c-b and serpentine do10:53
mdke\sh, or is it something else?10:53
\shmdke: i'm searching a rename function ;)10:53
\shrename page or something like this10:53
ogramxpxpod, yeps :) do you use gstreamer to convert the audio ? 10:53
mdke\sh, its under "Rename" ;) in Other actions10:53
mxpxpodogra: of course :)10:53
ograyay10:53
mdke\sh, BUT!10:53
mdke\sh, use it with care, links will break10:53
\shmdke: yeah:) it's a user page for bddebian ;)10:54
mxpxpodogra: and once the libburn rewrite is done, it will go audio file->gstreamer->libburn->disc10:54
ogracool10:54
mxpxpodand data file->libburn->disc10:54
mdke\sh, heh, ok for the future though, you can see all links by clicking on the page title10:54
mxpxpodno more temporary crap10:54
ograyeah10:54
\shmdke: thx :)10:54
mdke\sh, np10:55
mxpxpodogra: the problem I'm having is an endianness issue... libburn will do on-the-fly burning from data on i386, but on powerpc it makes coasters (no pun intended)10:55
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ograhmm10:55
pitti_rTypeError: __on_progress() takes exactly 3 arguments (4 given)10:55
pitti_rOMG10:55
mxpxpodso I think I'm going to tear it apart and start over from scratch and make it a sane library10:55
\shmdke: sometimes I'm really a noob with webapps, even I'm helping to develop them ;)10:56
mxpxpodright now it has all of its functions crammed into one header10:56
mxpxpodand it doesn't use typedefs for its structs10:56
mdke\sh, no problem. You can always email ubuntu-doc if no one answers10:56
mxpxpodogra: so my next big endeavor is the libburn rewrite10:59
mxpxpodwhich should be "fun"10:59
mxpxpod:D10:59
ograheh10:59
mxpxpodbut if I set it up correctly, it shouldn't be too hard10:59
mxpxpodand a friend and I have talked about making libburn into libdisc which would give linux 1:1 reading/writing on all discs11:00
mxpxpodand then making it into a simple plugin architecture to add new read/write methods11:01
ograsabdfl, squeak is completely under apple license, its not only the fonts ...11:01
ograThis is the Squeak package for Debian.  All debianisations are11:01
ograCopyright (C) 2002 Lex Spoon and are released under Apple, Inc.'s license11:01
ografor Squeak.  A copy of this license is included below.11:01
ogra:(11:01
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pitti_rogra: yay, it indeed burned the CD, and it even seems to work :-)11:05
ogragreat11:05
ograpitti_r, and we have still plenty of time until release to fix remaining bugs in it... :)11:05
pitti_rlike, make it work in a sane fashion? :-)11:06
ograyeah11:06
ograits only python ;)11:06
pitti_rogra: it should rather use cdrecord directly for piping11:06
ograi'll mail upstream and aks if he can implement it11:07
pitti_rogra: I have a small shell script that does the same (burn a set of mp3/ogg to an audio cd) which directly calls cdrecord, and it works just great11:07
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mxpxpodpitti_r: how big is your shell script?11:07
pitti_rmxpxpod: 10 lines of bash11:08
mxpxpodpitti_r: can you query it to me?11:08
pitti_rmxpxpod: http://www.piware.de/tools/burnmusiccd11:09
mxpxpodpitti_r: so, that doesn't do dao, right?11:09
ograpitti_r, cool.....11:10
pitti_rmxpxpod: no, why should I want that?11:10
mxpxpodpitti_r: because if I'm burning an entire album that I've ripped, I'd want that11:10
mxpxpodI don't like gaps where there shouldn't be11:11
pitti_rmxpxpod: well, I usually want pauses between the tracks, but I see the point11:11
mxpxpod:)11:12
mxpxpodalso, do you have a method of copying one audio cd to another?11:12
pitti_rmxpxpod: however, in C/python/whatever, a "pipe multiplexer" is easy, it's just a pain in bash11:12
mxpxpodpipe multiplexer?11:13
pitti_rmxpxpod: call oggdec/mpg123 one after the other, take their outputs and concat their outputs into a cdrecord pipe11:13
mxpxpodoh, so store their outputs in memory, basically11:13
pitti_rmxpxpod: I usually did cdparanoia, "wavcut" (small program of me that cuts away silence), then cdrecord11:14
pitti_rmxpxpod: but I don't do that very often, so I didn't write a script for that so far11:14
mdke[OT]  EU software patents news http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2005070513092042411:15
mxpxpodcan gstreamer output to a variable?11:15
mxpxpodpitti_r: well, cdrecord sucks, so I'm going to rewrite libburn to a useable state11:16
pitti_rmxpxpod: that's right :-)11:17
mxpxpodpitti_r: is there a way to use cdrecord with a pipe from mkisofs so you don't have to have an intermediate iso?11:19
pitti_rmxpxpod: sure, that's the way I always burned data cds at the command line11:19
pitti_rmxpxpod: mkisofs ... | cdrecord -data -11:19
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mxpxpodhrmmm11:19
mxpxpodso why the heck am I using an intermediate iso...11:20
mxpxpodand why does libnautilus-burn?11:20
pitti_rno idea :-)11:20
mxpxpodme either11:20
pitti_rI don't do intermediate ISOs any more since my althlon 500, which was already magnitudes faster than necessary for on-the-fly pipe burning11:21
pitti_rmxpxpod: the only advantage is that you  can test loop-mount the iso before burning11:21
mxpxpodnow, if the user has a slow system... can the pipe be a problem?11:21
pitti_rsure, maybe on a Pentium-100 class11:21
pitti_rif mkisofs uses too much I/O11:22
pitti_rthen the cdrecord output could underrun11:22
pitti_rbut that's not an issue on today's computers, so it should be optional11:22
mxpxpodpitti_r: man, it would be sweet if I could get coaster to do on-the-fly burning for data and maybe audio11:26
mxpxpodI'll have to see about that tonight11:26
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sabdflogra: what is the apple licence?11:28
Burgundaviasabdfl, APSL, OSI approved, but not considered DFSG-free11:29
ograsabdfl, i'll mail it to you... its mainly saying that the shipped fonts may not be modified... 11:29
sabdflogra: it's redistributable though?11:29
ograsabdfl, but the software may11:29
ograyep11:29
ogralooks like, its just ugly....11:30
sabdflseems ok for edubuntu11:30
ograand i dont know if it clashes with the GPL anyhow11:30
ograbut it shouldnt...11:30
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lamont__Kamion: ping11:38
comadrejadaniels, you there ?11:39
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danielscomadreja: sup11:50
comadrejadaniels : it's about bug 1169311:52
comadrejadaniels : I've been trying to debug it11:52
danielsoh, cool11:52
comadrejadaniels : I first thought it was an audio problem, (mplayer crashed at audio_decode, and if you disabled audio video worked fine)11:53
danielswhat've you got so far?11:53
comadrejadaniels : then I tried xine... and I got audio, but a blue a screen as video11:53
danielsright, that would be an xvideo problem11:53
comadrejadaniels : totem died with a BadAlloc problem11:53
danielsdo you have enough video RAM?11:54
comadrejafunny thing is, I downloaded mplayer from mplayerhq11:54
comadrejawhen I compiled it, it worked fine11:54
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comadrejaSo my guess right now is that it is an i810 X problem11:55
comadrejaprobably glx11:55
bddebianAGPGART?11:55
danielscomadreja: was the mplayer from mplayerhq definitely using xv?11:56
danielscomadreja: gl wouldn't be causing problems with xvideo11:56
comadrejadaniels : let me check11:57
comadrejadaniels : -vo x11 works11:58
comadrejadaniels : but with ubuntu package it doesn't11:58
comadrejaI get this:11:58
comadrejaMPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio11:58
comadreja- MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM.11:58
comadrejait's probably the async video problem, is that possible ?11:59
danielsso if mplayer crashes with -vo x11, that's mplayer's problem11:59
danielsthe only X problem is where something works with -vo x11 but fails with -vo xv11:59
comadrejabut xine fails too, and totem too12:00
danielsif anything works with plain X and fails with Xv, that's an Xv bug12:01
comadrejaI don't know if mplayer fails with xv...12:01

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