=== KaiL [KaiL@p548F35C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveaz [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] 5%#!^!#$%! === maswan runs for the hills [12:23] or.. what's wrong? === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] some{one,thing} killed concordia again [12:25] concordia? === tvo [~tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:27] elmo: not me === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [foobar@td9091c7d.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] hi [12:34] hi dholbach [12:34] hey Mitario :) === stuNNed [~implosion@stunned.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-120.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] sleep tight, i'm off for now [12:40] *wave* === stub [~stub@203-217-37-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ahuman01 [~ahuman01@pool-151-197-40-157.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [~lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [~mdz@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [~lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hidde2 [~hidde2@136.204.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hidde2 [~hidde2@136.204.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] seb128? [01:16] hidde2: pong [01:16] seb128, sorry to bug you, but I did something to the session of my main user, and I can't log in now. What can I do to reset it so it won't hang on initialising the session? === hidde2 added irexec -d to his set of startup-programs and is locked out now === daniels coughs. === hidde2 feels exessively foolish [01:18] hidde2: you can move ~/.gnome2/session away [01:18] or edit it [01:19] seb128: have you seen jbailey? [01:19] seb128, i think i rm-ed that file, that used to solve it, when I did something similar earlier [01:19] brb [01:19] mxpxpod: nop [01:19] k [01:19] elmo: could you please pre-NEW xserver-xorg-driver-{apm,ark,ati,chips,cirrus,cyrix,dummy,fbdev,glide,glint,i128,i740,i810,imstt,mga,neomagic,newport,nsc,nv,rendition,s3,s3virge,savage,siliconmotion,sis,sunbw2,suncg14,suncg3,suncg6,sunffb,sunleo,suntcx,tdfx,tga,trident,tseng,v4l,vesa,vga,via,vmware} === hidde2 [~hidde2@136.204.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:21] elmo: and also xserver-xorg-input-{acecad,aiptek,calcomp,citron,digitaledge,dmc,dynapro,elographics,fpit,hyperpen,js,kbd,magellan,microtouch,mouse,mutouch,palmax,penmount,spaceorb,summa,tek4957,ur98,void,wacom} [01:21] elmo: thanks [01:21] no [01:21] hm? [01:21] seb128, i removed ~/.gnome2/session, and I still can't get in. It's hanging on something it's trying to start, not something that's left over from a previous session [01:22] daniels: (you realise it's easier to just NEW when they arrive rather than pre-NEW, right?) [01:22] I'm not going to pre-NEW stuff, it's a horrible absolute-emergency only habit [01:22] hidde2: seems to be the esound issue happening atm [01:22] righto, then [01:22] elmo: thanks for the syncs [01:22] there's 2 other people with full katie privs and more than enough skillz to NEW stuff [01:22] hidde2: try installing libesd0 [01:22] if you're about my availability [01:22] s/about/worried \&/ [01:22] seb128, i'm running hoary, and it's something I did, some program/command it can't handle [01:22] oh [01:23] how have you put them here? === Arrogance [~aks@CPE00112f96b894-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] (is upstream really splitting into that many input methods? that seems like oversplititis) [01:23] elmo: can you give these people the sync magic too? :) [01:23] I added irexec -d to my session startup with priority 1 system > preferences >session :$ [01:23] elmo: that's input/*_drv.o; we already have that many different drivers [01:24] hidde2: this dialog is ~/.gnome2/session-manual [01:24] elmo: so it'll be that many source packages in the future (when we all have flying cars) [01:24] seb128: these people are kamion and mdz - you really want mdz or kamion spending time on syncs? [01:24] elmo: mostly for weird-shit tablets and stuff [01:24] seb128, so if I remove that file, I should be ok? [01:24] elmo: but, er, yeah, we'll pretty much end up with the biggest Binary line in the west [01:24] elmo: "spending time" ... is that taking that amount of time? No, that's just a "when you are not around and a sync could be useful" [01:25] seb128: dealing with sync requests are like bugs, they may seem trivial in of themselves, but they add up [01:25] elmo: ie, I was waiting since saturday for new glib2.0 ... no big deal, but if somebody else can run the sync ... :) [01:25] elmo: right [01:25] seb128: and besides, did you miss the part where I said they already had full katie privs? [01:26] seb128: saturday... you want me to work saturday/sunday now too? [01:26] elmo: Kamion said today he doesn't know how syncs work [01:26] only because I haven't looked and I consider it elmo's bailiwick until told otherwise [01:26] elmo: i thought we all checked our weekends at the door when we joined === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.204.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] I assume it's josie but I didn't want to poke too hard [01:27] elmo: nop, you are right :) [01:27] seb128, you rock [01:27] anyway, sleep. night all. [01:27] 'night [01:27] HiddenWolf: np === shack\out [shackan@host45-137.pool8255.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] can anyone here tell my why the kernel loads a driver for the serial port? [01:39] ... ? [01:39] So you can use the serial port? [01:39] sort of [01:39] I think he means "even if you don't have one" [01:39] oh [01:39] is it a generic driver or a specific driver? [01:40] The piont is, i have one, and I can use it, as long as I tell the kernel to get the hell off the port, and allow lircd to listen on it [01:40] oh right [01:40] thats a different story [01:40] so, theres a driver for the serial port [01:40] but lric doesnt want to use that and wants to use it directly [01:40] so you can configure with setserial not to use it [01:40] that's another way of putting it ;) [01:41] using lirc with FIR mode? [01:41] lathiat, happen to know how exactly? [01:41] want to know how to release the serial port? [01:41] lathiat, not using lirc at all, atm, just trying to get lirc_serial loaded manually [01:41] setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none iirc [01:41] lathiat, yeah, automagicly preferably [01:41] setserial can be configured to save its config [01:43] So sudo setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none iirc && sudo dpkg-reconfigure setserial -> to manual > reboot should do the trick? [01:43] ugh [01:44] without the iirc, ;) [01:44] somethign like that [01:44] read lirc docs im sure they cover this :P) [01:44] Lathiat, why does your name seem so...familiar? [01:45] cus im on various other irc channels? [01:45] avahi? [01:45] hmmles [01:45] lathiat, can I bug you if I can't get it to work? [01:45] maybe yoru in one of the other communities i hang aroudn in *shrug* [01:45] HiddenWolf: no, cus im ;leaving, good luck with that :) [01:45] Lathiat, Trent Lloyd? [01:46] Mez: yes [01:46] ah [01:46] I've read your LJ before thats why [01:46] ah [01:46] planet.fd.o ? [01:47] no [01:47] http://www.livejournal.com/users/lathiat/ [01:47] nah just thought you might have known it from planet.fd.o or something :) [01:47] fd.o ? [01:47] whats fd / [01:47] freedesktop.rog [01:47] *org [01:48] wait - are you in the UK Lathiat ? [01:48] nope, australia [01:49] have you been to UK recently? [01:49] nope, never been outside australia :P) [01:49] (IRJ*#RR@#*(H@R#@*H()#R(*H [01:49] i'm goign to remove my P key [01:49] i look like such a dick typing :P) [01:49] lmao [01:49] i hit it accidentally typing :) all th etime [01:50] lol [01:51] take the key off... and chop away prt of the key to make it lighter then put it back on [01:51] have to hit it arder then to make it register === lakin [~lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nasdaq7 [~gfhgfa@tkp-ip-nas-1-p180.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nasdaq7 [~gfhgfa@tkp-ip-nas-1-p180.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === lakin [~lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === susus [~sz@p5089EC57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === susus_ [~sz@p5089EC57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [~mark@sabdfl.silver.supporter.pdpc] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === camilotelles [~Camilo@201.19.213.83] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch [~ajmitch@port161-2.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:56] ajmitch, hello === shack\out is now known as shackan === HrdwrBoB [~matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aeddan [~aeddan@203.39.89.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === susus [~sz@p5089EC57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ChurcH_of_FOamY [~shane@24-177-160-171.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17] mako are you there? [03:17] someone told me to contact you about promoting ubuntu [03:18] and i would love to do so ^_^ it absoulutely rocks! ^_^ === aeddan [~aeddan@203.39.89.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [~slomo@p5487EDC0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [~zenrox@71.115.192.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wicked [~wicked@dsl-200-67-167-181.prod-empresarial.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wicked [~wicked@dsl-200-67-167-181.prod-empresarial.com.mx] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jp [~jp@216-155-93-226.bk2-dsl.surnet.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:23] morning [05:23] morning too :) [05:28] hohoh [05:28] here I'm gonna sleep now :) [05:29] yeah, still night here too [05:29] heh [05:29] although [05:29] fabbione where are you from ? [05:29] its getting very light out here [05:29] :o [05:30] here it's 23.30 :) [05:30] jp: i live in EU :) [05:30] 05:30 here [05:30] it's already daylight [05:30] well morninglight.. [05:30] fabbione kewl :) [05:30] jeje [05:30] here we're on winter :'( [05:30] heh === Amaranth [Amaranth@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:31] hmm, i'm considering not going to sleep and just go to work in a few hours [05:32] :S [05:33] daniels: did you find the issue with the suid X binary? [05:33] tomorrow I'll have to give a school test :( it's a global mathematics test (from all one semester) :/ [05:33] daniels: upgrading from 33 -> 34 caused it to no longer be suid for me [05:33] daniels: not sure which shaya upgraded from [05:34] I think I won't sleep too Mitario :P [05:34] hehe, been hacking update manager all night :) [05:35] Mitario :o hihi :P [05:35] calc: and shaya said that upgrading again worked fine [05:35] calc: no-one else has seen it, and the binary is *definitely* suid in all of the debs [05:35] hmm ok [05:35] i'll try it on my desktop now to see what happens [05:35] it is at 33 right now [05:36] -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 9504 2005-06-30 15:58 /usr/X11R6/bin/X [05:36] should take about 5-6min [05:42] finished downloading, installing now :) [05:45] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9504 2005-07-03 16:23 /usr/X11R6/bin/X [05:45] stripped on this box as well [05:45] perhaps it only affects upgrades? [05:47] btw dpkg -i the package again doesn't fix the perms [05:47] i'll try purging and installing it [05:47] bye guys [05:49] er nm i tried dpkg -i on the wrong package [05:49] so upgrading 33 -> 34 is reproducibly removing ug+s but dpkg -i xserver-common fixes it [05:51] did /usr/X11R6/bin/X change packages between 33 -> 34? [05:51] if so perhaps dpkg itself is hosing it [05:51] it wouldn't be the first time i have seen dpkg screw stuff up [05:54] no, it's always been in xserver-common [05:54] hmm thats really strange that it wouldn't keep the permissions then :\ [05:54] keybuk's fault [05:54] its in the package itself as ug+s and dpkg -i xserver-common preserves them but upgrading from 33 -> 34 does not [05:55] heh === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [~zenrox@71.115.192.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k [~seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFit1 [~andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Jimbob [~jcape@c-24-14-115-101.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-67-174-81-195.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jasoncohen [~jason@pcp0011382713pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:29] Kamion: around? (unlikely as it may be...) === HWolf [~hidden@136.204.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:32] A most beautiful good morning to everybody! [07:33] morning to you pitti === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-120.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:34] pitti, what's the occation? :) [07:35] morning pitti [07:35] ^_^ [07:36] HWolf: it's raining cats and dogs, and I try to maintain a good mood :-) [07:37] pitti, you most certainly lightened mine. ;) === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:45] hey pitti [07:45] Hi my dear fabbione [07:45] ehheh [07:45] no kernel vulns in a week, that's suspicious... [07:46] last time you said like that... it costed me 40 hours of extra work on the kernel [07:46] fabbione: this time I assure you that I don't have anything like that in my mind :-) [07:46] ok thanks :) [07:47] fabbione: well, if you want to, you could make the breezy kernel not crash on my iBook :-) but nevermind, the hoary kernel works fine [07:47] pitti: is the sleep crash you filed? [07:47] fabbione: that one too, but I have a really funny one [07:47] ok..... [07:47] fabbione: I start my wireless, everything works perfect [07:48] yeah.. [07:48] fabbione: then, after some minutes I execute something with sudo, and this process hangs [07:48] hangs how? [07:48] fabbione: normal user apps, and the wireless connection continue to run fine, just sudo processes are unkillable and hang [07:48] fabbione: well, they sit around and don't do anything [07:49] fabbione: and sudo kill ... doesn't work, because that sudo process of course hangs as well :-) [07:49] :) [07:49] pitti: i fail to see how that can be a kernel bug.. [07:49] it's like April's fool... [07:49] can you reproduce it on another arch? [07:49] fabbione: I get an oops when the symptoms start === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.204.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:49] ok.. can you file a bug with the related oops? [07:50] i still blame GTK and QT [07:50] fabbione: sure, will do. it should still be in my klog [07:50] fabbione: but it's not that urgent === ivoks thinks that's only bad hardware :) [07:50] i really need to stop to make make xmenuconfig :P === pitti slaps ivoks [07:50] i want to become an endorser for ubuntu who do i talk to? [07:50] fabbione: does that use gtk now? === ivoks hates Macs :) [07:50] Church_of_foamy: mako probably [07:50] xmenuconfig uses QT... [07:50] is he on? [07:50] otherwise gconfig.. for GTK [07:50] ivoks: my iBook works just perfectly with the hoary kernel, and the kernels before that [07:51] Church_of_foamy: he might be in a few hours... [07:51] i'm new to ubuntu but i like it so much.... [07:51] cool [07:51] Church_of_foamy: on and off probably, you can always mail him [07:51] Church_of_foamy: spread the love :-) [07:51] pitti: i was kidding [07:51] naw i'll just wait for him [07:51] but i do hate Macs and OSX [07:51] i don't want to be imposing === HWolf [~hidden@136.204.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:55] Church_of_foamy: i am sure he doesn't mind emails... [07:55] Church_of_foamy: so don't worry about that [07:55] k [07:55] ^_^ === jdub [~jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] Hey jdub [07:56] hey jdub === stub [~stub@203-217-37-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [07:59] infinity: ping === ircleuser [~newbie@Toronto-HSE-ppp3740384.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] daniels : gnop === mae [~mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [08:08] infinity: does this xmlrpc crap require an update to the php4 package, or is it just stuff using it? [08:09] Requires an update to php4-pear. === Amaranth kicks things [08:09] It's on my "TODO in the next few days" list, since PEAR is in universe currently (and because most PHP apps have so many RCE vulns anyway, what's one more?) [08:09] small bug in a PEAR library leaves half the web open to attack, yay [08:10] Actually, maybe I'll do those uploads in the next couple of hours. [08:10] Just 'cause that's what kinda nice guy I am. [08:10] infinity: cock [08:10] Diff is here, if anyone feels an urge to patch locally: [08:10] http://cvs.php.net/diff.php/pear/XML_RPC/RPC.php?r1=1.75&r2=1.76&ty=u [08:11] infinity: do you want to prepare {warty,hoary}-security as well? or shall I do it? [08:11] daniels : Beware that some (many?) crap PHP apps ship with their own broken xmlrpc implementations that are besed on the one from PEAR. [08:11] infinity: yeah, so I'm discovering [08:12] pitti : Those were the two uploads I was referring to. I'm must less concerned about breezy and sid. [08:12] infinity: hence why ~a2se/500-clipart.freedesktop.org disappeared earlier this morning [08:12] infinity: how 'bout sarge? :) [08:12] infinity: ah, cool [08:12] ok, cu later [08:12] daniels : I'm doing sarge and woody, not sure how quickly joey will get the advisory out. [08:13] infinity: any chance the package could make its way to gabe? [08:13] daniels : Of course it will. [08:13] hey infinity [08:13] daniels : So, who's running a PHP app that uses PEAR xmlrpc, and can we smack them? [08:13] infinity: rock, thanks [08:13] infinity: guess who [08:13] openclipart? [08:14] got it in one! running wp, as it turns out. [08:14] I thought they were "taking their business elsewhere", or something. [08:14] such is life [08:14] Not soon enough, I guess. [08:14] Oh well. RCE vulns in PHP apps are so common in my neck of the woods, I take a pretty slack attitude to it. [08:14] And try to make sure my I have no prev escalation holes lying around. === marilize [~marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:15] One of my machines gets random crap written to /tmp as www-data all the time, cause I'm too lazy to tell all the users to upgrade their broken phpBB installations. [08:15] just as long as there's no more weird shit in /var/tmp === AndyFitz [~andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:24] When in Aug are you going? [08:24] -EWIN === jdub [~jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === comadreja [~comadreja@80.224.108.240] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:32] dear developers all of you :) How could I get started into helping out you ? 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[09:55] (latest version.. clean install) [10:18] daniels: [10:18] Setting up xserver-xorg (6.8.2-34) ... [10:18] dexconf: error: cannot generate configuration file; [10:18] xserver-xorg/config/inputdevice/keyboard/layout not set. Aborting. [10:19] and manual reconfigure hangs.... === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@gnulinuxer.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] Hey carlos [10:26] pitti, morning === jsgotangco [~user@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:29] Hi jsgotangco [10:29] pitti! === mdz [~mdz@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:30] Morning mdz [10:34] hey mdz === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-4-223.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:39] morning [10:39] hey mdz [10:41] hey [10:43] carlos, morning === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] doko, hi [10:46] chmj: morning...how is the bluetooth work going? [10:46] doko, I'm reading all mail since Friday, will try to answer your oo2 mail soon [10:46] mdz, morning [10:47] mdz, been testing some other devices, we still don't have a workable UI interface for it though [10:48] carlos: fine [10:48] chmj: Paolo Durante will be working on that part of the project === johanbr [~j@d154-20-178-172.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:48] chmj: meanwhile, we should ensure that the pieces that we already have work out of the box [10:48] mdz: can you give me his email? [10:48] :) === shackan [shackan@host164-79.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [~mark@sabdfl.silver.supporter.pdpc] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:53] comadreja: http://ubuntulinux.org/community/participate [10:57] lamont, infinity, elmo: OOo2 FTBFS on powerpc on the buildd, builds fine on davis. [10:57] cc1plus: out of memory allocating 1643995136 bytes after a total of 80863232 bytes [10:57] chmj: I don't have it; you can get it from JaneW [10:57] chmj: or perhaps pitti [11:00] doko: does it build on i386? [11:01] mdz: ok [11:03] mdz: yes. just fixed a packaging error, but it got until the binary target. let's wait some hours for the ubuntu2 build [11:04] however davis does have that amount of memory [11:07] OOM allocating 1.6 gigs?... Am I reading that right? === johanbr [~j@d154-20-178-172.bchsia.telus.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:09] doko: eh? === jani [~jani@iv.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:10] doko: davis has 3GB of RAM for a mistake [11:10] and only because it's running the 64bit kernel [11:10] fabbione: yes, it succeeds on davis, but not on the buildd. [11:11] doko: the buildd don't have more than 2GB of RAM [11:11] The more interesting question is why does gcc want that much RAM? [11:11] poor buildd [11:11] and i guess that single process can't swap a single byte [11:11] Seriously. Ouch. [11:11] doko: it won't build on other arches as well... [11:11] fabbione: it did on i386 [11:11] i am not talking on i386 :) i am more thinking of sparc :) === fabbione only has 512MB of ram [11:12] never heard before ... ;-) [11:12] doko: speaking of which.. i have a couple of intersting FTBFS that might be gcc related [11:13] /usr/lib/gcc/sparc-linux-gnu/4.0.1/../../../../lib/crt1.o:../sysdeps/sparc/sparc32/elf/start.S:60: multiple definition of `_PROCEDURE_LINKAGE_TABLE_' [11:13] /usr/bin/ld: Disabling relaxation: it will not work with multiple definitions [11:13] collect2: ld returned 1 exit status [11:13] fabbione: don't forgot to attach the preprocessed source for ICEs [11:13] doko: i didn't get there yet... [11:13] the preprocessed source is for ppc.. [11:13] i need to do that on davis [11:14] dokoo: ah rigth.. there was the ICE for mysql on sparc.. [11:14] will do soon [11:16] is there any existing tool which will output the addresses of network interfaces on the system in a parseable format? [11:16] iproute really ought to do this, but doesn't try very hard [11:17] the -o output format is not so bad I guess [11:18] ip addr ls ? [11:19] hey elmo [11:19] hey fabbione [11:20] elmo: i think it's time to upgrade ppc kernels around... [11:21] elmo: so if you can schedule it for the next time you will be at the datacenter === spafbnerf [~al@vpn-gw.dctr.sa.sysfusion.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] doko: DOH! the last gcc-3.4 upload you did.. it fixed it :) === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] doko: the ppc ICE i mean [11:23] ah no [11:23] never mind [11:23] would be strange, no code changed [11:24] shackan: Hi, still here? [11:24] doko: got confused by -j :) [11:24] fabbione: use the tools you can master ;-P [11:26] fabbione: yeah, should be wed/thu [11:26] doko: CFLAGS += -save-temps [11:26] right? [11:26] elmo: cool [11:27] doko: is that the flag you need right? [11:29] fabbione: yes === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] doko: doing... [11:31] oh my darling.. -save-temps removes -pipe === fabbione sighs at a full rebuild of the kernel [11:32] ouch! === sabdfl [~mark@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] fabbione: or you build with verbose logs, and re-run the command, where it fails [11:33] doko: the kbuild doesn't like this kind of hacks ;/ [11:33] i am going to rebuild.. it takes only a few minutes on davis [11:33] hey sabdfl === dr88dr88 [~gerrit@h174040.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [~ogra@p5089EC57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:36] ogra! [11:36] hey [11:38] hmm food time :) === `anthony [~anthony@220-253-38-151.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdthood [~jdthood@x095.decis.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:42] pitti: I have been thinking about set-default-soundcard. I would like to add it to alsa-utils rather than to alsa-base (where it currently resides in ubuntu). That seems like the most logical place to put it, even though alsa-utils is an arch-any package rather than an arch-all one. [11:43] jdthood: would be fine for me, and since alsa-base depends on -utils, we don't have a migration problem either [11:43] jdthood: however, what about python? [11:44] pitti: I'll add it to alsa-utils's dependency list. [11:44] do you want to add a dependency? or wait for python-minimal? [11:44] ah, ok [11:44] pitti: What exactly should that Depends item look like? [11:44] Just 'python2.4' ? [11:44] just "python" [11:45] there's nothing special in it, it works with both 2.3 and 2.4 [11:45] "python" is a metapackage in both Debian and Ubuntu? [11:45] yes, all python modules come with a metapackage that depend on the default version [11:45] python always pulls in the current "default" python version. [11:45] Just as "gcc" and "g++" do. [11:46] kill ubuntu!!! [11:46] depending on a particular version should generally be avoided, unless there is a special reason [11:46] nice dude, that spafbnerf === jani [~jani@iv.ro] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:47] pitti: I want to remove aserver from libasound2. Do you know anyone who uses that program? [11:47] If someone uses it then I'd rather ship it in alsa-utils, to comply with Debian policy. === martink [~martin@p54B385EA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:48] If no one uses it then obviously we shouldn't ship it at all. [11:48] jdthood: I never heard about it [11:48] /usr/bin/aserver [11:49] There is no manpage for it and I have never been able to find any explanation of how it should be used. [11:49] hm, ENOMAN [11:49] no help either === Ja1 [~kuznik@kuznik.gepro.cz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:50] I have filed requests in the ALSA BTS for documentation. Nothing has come forth. === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@gnulinuxer.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] pitti: Remember to add "Replaces: alsa-base" to the new alsa-utils (if you merge again after our next release) so that upgrades don't gag on the conflict between alsa-base and alsa-utils over /usr/bin/set-default-soundcard. [11:54] right, good point [11:54] well, MOM should see that automatically [11:56] brb [11:57] mdz: hi there [12:08]