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| Burgundavia | salut jsgotangco | 02:39 |
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| jsgotangco | salut | 02:42 |
| jsgotangco | jdub_, ping? | 02:56 |
| jsgotangco | brb | 03:07 |
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| Burgundavia | jdub, jsgotangco is looking for yo | 03:39 |
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| jsgotangco | (if you're not too busy) | 03:44 |
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| jsgotangco | oh i have immigration papers being processed actually | 03:48 |
| jsgotangco | i wanted to ask jdub if its too much of a task to edit the main page of yelp since i found out how it works last night | 03:49 |
| jsgotangco | (if it would be pointless since we always update stuff from upstream, it might bork other links) | 03:49 |
| jsgotangco | (the yelp->scrollkeeper relationship that is) | 03:50 |
| jsgotangco | editing toc.xml is easy, the hard part is actually getting all the current stuff organized in a logical way | 03:52 |
| jdub | jsgotangco: we already did it for hoary | 03:52 |
| jdub | jsgotangco: but for breezy, a document will be displayed instead (most likely) | 03:53 |
| jsgotangco | oh ok | 03:53 |
| jdub | so if that happens, not sure there's much point | 03:53 |
| jsgotangco | so i guess i'll just scrap this then | 03:53 |
| jdub | but if it doesn't, we'll have to do similar hacks that we did with hoary would be fine | 03:53 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 03:53 |
| jsgotangco | my toc.xml atm is very different from the hoary default | 03:54 |
| jdub | if they're rad changes, may as well play with them now just in case | 03:55 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 03:56 |
| jsgotangco | the mix of html and xml docs made the look so inconsistent | 03:57 |
| jsgotangco | but i guess that can't be helped | 03:57 |
| jdub | not immediately | 03:58 |
| jdub | but plenty of those html docs come from docbook source | 03:58 |
| jdub | once we've analysed what we ship, we can start shipping upstream's pure docbook instead | 03:58 |
| jsgotangco | jdub, does that mean we can choose what docs will be kept and docs that will be deprecated? | 03:59 |
| jsgotangco | (in terms of relevance) | 03:59 |
| jdub | we can't already? | 04:14 |
| jsgotangco | well i just thought you guys want the whole thing at the moment as is and just organise them... | 04:18 |
| jsgotangco | but weeding out stuff not useful will be very much welcome imo | 04:19 |
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| froud | African Greetings | 07:41 |
| jsgotangco | hi froud | 07:42 |
| froud | jsgotangco: howzit dude | 07:55 |
| froud | coffee, morning news and irc chat :-) | 07:55 |
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| froud | geeze these dudes in Endinburgh are heavy | 07:56 |
| jsgotangco | hrh | 07:58 |
| jsgotangco | i've been fine | 07:58 |
| jsgotangco | i just came from lunch | 07:58 |
| jsgotangco | i've been dabbling with the yelp front page toc.xml | 07:59 |
| jsgotangco | learning how it works with scrollkeeper | 07:59 |
| jsgotangco | it may not be much of use if the frontpage would be a document | 07:59 |
| froud | no it will be of use | 08:00 |
| jsgotangco | if we still use toc.xml | 08:00 |
| froud | just because we ship html does not mean that we will not register with scrollkeeper | 08:00 |
| jsgotangco | good point | 08:00 |
| froud | and knowing how to change the toc is helpful | 08:00 |
| jsgotangco | oh changin the toc is incredibly easy | 08:01 |
| froud | sure it must be, just no docs to explain it | 08:01 |
| jsgotangco | i guess the biggest challenge is how everything gets interwined | 08:01 |
| froud | yes | 08:01 |
| jsgotangco | i noticed that even the doc you made got lost in the links | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | for hwdb | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | although its ubuntu-specific | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | everything is in /usr/share/yelp and sometimes traverse to /usr/share/scrollkeeper for the toc entries | 08:03 |
| froud | yes, but I think that hwdb does have a help button | 08:03 |
| jsgotangco | and currently the ubuntu-specifc docs are declared as yelp chunks | 08:03 |
| froud | jsgotangco: have to found out why scrolkeeper wont support docbook 4.3 | 08:04 |
| froud | last time we tried it, it worked only with 4.1.2 | 08:04 |
| jsgotangco | scrollkeeper or yelp itself? | 08:04 |
| froud | sk | 08:04 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 08:04 |
| jsgotangco | im not so sure of the relation, sk has its own syntax in a way | 08:04 |
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| jsgotangco | hmm why does RHEL's yelp have an index and ours don't? | 10:36 |
| jsgotangco | oh wait | 10:36 |
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| jsgotangco | its an incredibly old version of Yelp | 10:36 |
| jsgotangco | (2.2.3) | 10:36 |
| jsgotangco | at least it can search through titles (doh) | 10:37 |
| mpt | it can? | 10:45 |
| mpt | why didn't anyone merge that upstream :-( | 10:45 |
| jsgotangco | its an incredibly old version | 10:45 |
| jsgotangco | but its strange indeed | 10:45 |
| jsgotangco | editing the frontpage isn't really complicated to begin with, i discovered last night | 10:46 |
| mpt | now you tell me :-P | 10:54 |
| jsgotangco | we'll need it or else we'll end up with the same structure in a few months :P | 10:56 |
| mpt | need what? | 10:57 |
| jsgotangco | fixing the frontpage of yelp | 10:57 |
| mpt | Well, yelp is going to be defaulting to opening a particular "book", rather than the ToC, within a few months | 10:58 |
| jsgotangco | yeah, i guess my edits are not needed for now | 11:03 |
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| jsgotangco | mdke, hi | 12:21 |
| mdke | hello jsgotangco | 12:23 |
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| jsgotangco | whats up | 12:24 |
| mdke | not a lot, you? | 12:25 |
| jsgotangco | i've been messing around with stuff | 12:25 |
| jsgotangco | i was installing RHEL today | 12:25 |
| jsgotangco | and just curiously looked at its yelp | 12:25 |
| mdke | ... | 12:28 |
| jsgotangco | it had search! | 12:29 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 12:29 |
| jsgotangco | (it was an old version of yelp) | 12:30 |
| mdke | what was the help like? | 12:30 |
| jsgotangco | oh it was stock gnome | 12:30 |
| jsgotangco | but it had a 4th button called "index" where you can type in whatever you fancy | 12:30 |
| mdke | cool | 12:31 |
| jsgotangco | i was actually messing around with the toc.xml page | 12:31 |
| jsgotangco | its going to be useful or not for us, i cannot say yet | 12:32 |
| jsgotangco | ill just finish my research on this then i'll go back into writing docs for gnome | 12:36 |
| mdke | i saw corey's email on the yelp frontpage | 12:38 |
| mdke | i've added my thoughts | 12:38 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 12:39 |
| jsgotangco | im not so sure if i can attend today's CC meeting; i have a morning appointment later | 12:39 |
| mdke | mpt has some ideas about that question too | 12:39 |
| mdke | what time is the CC meeting? | 12:39 |
| jsgotangco | 22:00 UTC | 12:40 |
| jsgotangco | i'll forward you an email | 12:40 |
| jsgotangco | its interesting | 12:40 |
| jsgotangco | i haven't answered it yet though | 12:40 |
| jsgotangco | sent | 12:43 |
| mdke | who from? | 12:43 |
| jsgotangco | thoreaupeutic | 12:44 |
| jsgotangco | (Peter Garrett) | 12:44 |
| jsgotangco | i got to talk to this guy during UDU | 12:44 |
| mdke | right | 12:44 |
| mdke | interesting mail | 12:44 |
| jsgotangco | (he's a senior citizen btw) | 12:44 |
| mdke | ic | 12:44 |
| jsgotangco | i'll reply to him later | 12:45 |
| mdke | hmmm | 12:45 |
| mdke | the whole point of having forums and a wiki is that they are really easy to contribute to | 12:45 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm? | 12:46 |
| mdke | but as he says, there is no reason why people can't email us their work and we can go about integrating it | 12:47 |
| mdke | its been done before | 12:47 |
| jsgotangco | well yeah that's what i am about to say | 12:47 |
| jsgotangco | he's probably not subscribed to ubuntu-doc | 12:47 |
| jsgotangco | he's usually just in the chat room | 12:47 |
| mdke | well i agree that greater communication is needed between us and ubuntu-users, ubuntu-devel etc | 12:48 |
| mdke | that's why I sent round the team meeting thing | 12:48 |
| mdke | if people want to contribute, it really is quite easy though IMO | 12:48 |
| mdke | just write to the mailing list or /j #ubuntu-doc | 12:48 |
| jsgotangco | well that's how Mentoring Community is supposed to be, but isn't being practised at the moment | 12:49 |
| mdke | what do you mean? | 12:49 |
| jsgotangco | oh well i'll reply to him later | 12:49 |
| mdke | he has a lot of good points though | 12:49 |
| jsgotangco | we had a BOF before about Mentoring Community | 12:49 |
| jsgotangco | indeed | 12:50 |
| jsgotangco | well i'll try to catch up later if i can | 12:50 |
| jsgotangco | i gotta go | 12:50 |
| mdke | okies | 12:50 |
| mdke | bye mate | 12:50 |
| === mpt wonders what the cvs equivalent of "baz commit" is | ||
| mdke | similar I imagine | 01:24 |
| mpt | mdke: not really :-) | 02:11 |
| mpt | "baz commit" means commit to your local repository | 02:11 |
| mpt | so that, for example, "baz diff" starts again from zero | 02:12 |
| mpt | and so, for example, "baz switch" works without dragging the changes you've just made to a different branch where you probably don't want them | 02:12 |
| mpt | whereas "cvs commit" means commit to *the* repository | 02:12 |
| mpt | which only works if you have "commit access" | 02:12 |
| mdke | yeah | 02:13 |
| mdke | that is what svn does | 02:13 |
| mpt | "that" being which? | 02:13 |
| mpt | more similar to cvs, or to baz? | 02:14 |
| mdke | commit to repository | 02:14 |
| mdke | remote repository | 02:14 |
| mdke | so similar to cvs i guess | 02:14 |
| mpt | baz was the first RCS I learnt | 02:18 |
| mpt | so maybe I'm spoiled | 02:18 |
| mdke | i've heard its good | 02:18 |
| mpt | I've just made a diff, and sent it to the maintainer, and now I want to start another set of changes | 02:18 |
| mpt | without the first changes showing up in the second diff | 02:19 |
| mdke | on the userguide? | 02:19 |
| mpt | yes | 02:19 |
| mdke | cool | 02:19 |
| mdke | just get commit access | 02:19 |
| mdke | i'm sure it would not be hard | 02:19 |
| mpt | "just" :-) | 02:19 |
| mdke | especially if he knows you | 02:19 |
| mpt | dude, it's my first patch | 02:19 |
| mpt | And I've talked to him approximately once | 02:19 |
| mdke | if they don't have a lot of contributors, I'm thinking they will be happy for more | 02:20 |
| mdke | but thats cool | 02:20 |
| mdke | if you work on the second patch and send it to him, as long as he applies them in order there will be no problem right? | 02:20 |
| mpt | the second patch will be a superset of the first | 02:21 |
| mpt | and the third patch will be a superset of the second | 02:21 |
| mpt | and so on | 02:21 |
| mdke | yes | 02:21 |
| mdke | no problem | 02:21 |
| mpt | Well, it is a problem if he likes the second and third but not the first :-) | 02:22 |
| mdke | yes that is true | 02:22 |
| mdke | but you can correct the relevant sections and make a fourth ;) | 02:22 |
| mpt | heh | 02:24 |
| mpt | anyway, sleep time | 02:24 |
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| mgalvin | for <screen></screen>'s the extra new lines get displayed by the browser which can make copy/pasting that content always have extra lines... | 04:54 |
| mgalvin | i would like to just make them more inline so that ... | 04:54 |
| mgalvin | <screen> | 04:54 |
| mgalvin | sudo apt-get install gftp | 04:54 |
| mgalvin | </screen> | 04:54 |
| mgalvin | would just be <screen>sudo apt-get install gftp</screen> | 04:55 |
| froud | <comand></command> | 04:55 |
| froud | <command></command> | 04:55 |
| froud | but that needs to be in a block element such as | 04:55 |
| froud | <para><command></command></para> | 04:56 |
| mgalvin | oh ok, i'll try that, the faq just currently uses <screen></screen> everywhere | 04:56 |
| mgalvin | right ok | 04:56 |
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| mgalvin | since i am and will continue to be making changes to the faq and authoring new content for it (and since i co-authored the ppc version) is it appropriate to add myself as an author? | 05:10 |
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| froud | sure add yourself as author | 05:19 |
| froud | mgalvin: we used screen but you can use command, just that comand will not be shown with a black background | 05:21 |
| froud | perhaps you would be better served just doing <screen>some command</screen> | 05:22 |
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| mgalvin | froud, agreed, i tried using <command>...</command> and that doesn't look very good, i will stick with <screen>...</screen> | 05:28 |
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| froud | mgalvin: are you using profiles for ppc | 05:43 |
| froud | you know you can do | 05:44 |
| froud | mgalvin: for example you can use the arch attribute | 05:45 |
| froud | <application os="gnome" arch="ppc" | 05:45 |
| froud | >Terminal</application> | 05:45 |
| froud | if something is applicable to gnome+kde i386+ppc | 05:46 |
| froud | <application os="gnome,kde" arch="ppc,i386" | 05:46 |
| froud | then just pass a new param to the processor with profile.arch | 05:46 |
| froud | and profile.os | 05:46 |
| mgalvin | cool, i haven't yet, but i will definitly do that | 05:47 |
| froud | --stringparam profile.arch "ppc" profile.os "gnome" | 05:47 |
| froud | see the faq make target and copy that to a new mae target | 05:48 |
| mgalvin | i will do | 05:48 |
| mgalvin | thnx | 05:48 |
| froud | mgalvin: I am really glad you are loving that document :-) | 05:51 |
| mgalvin | froud, I'm glad to be helping out :-) | 05:55 |
| froud | yeah thanks, I hope they get your key rolling quickly | 05:56 |
| mgalvin | me too | 05:57 |
| mgalvin | froud, should i make the faqppc build target build into .../C/ppc | 06:03 |
| froud | it has a base.dir param to build/ | 06:04 |
| froud | you will need to create a new dir in the build tree | 06:04 |
| froud | if it's gnome it will be in build/gnome/faqguideppc/C/ | 06:05 |
| froud | I think | 06:05 |
| mgalvin | ok, i'll do that, thnx | 06:05 |
| froud | remember the links to ../images/C/ must work | 06:06 |
| froud | ../../images/C/ must work | 06:06 |
| froud | if you change that path you will not get any images | 06:07 |
| froud | saying this we will have to fix the i386 make target | 06:07 |
| mgalvin | to faqguidei386? then we will also need faqguideamd64 | 06:10 |
| froud | yes :-) bingo | 06:10 |
| froud | all from the same instance, using different make targets | 06:11 |
| froud | beautiful | 06:11 |
| mgalvin | ok, well, i am starving, i am gonna grab some food, i will change all those when i get back in like 30min | 06:11 |
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| mdke | jeffsch, you'd better apply that gnome makefile patch from mgalvin, i wouldn't have a clue | 08:25 |
| mgalvin | makefile patches mailed to the list | 08:25 |
| mgalvin | um, i see you saw that already :) | 08:25 |
| mdke | heh | 08:26 |
| mdke | this boy needs commit access | 08:26 |
| mdke | mgalvin, did you apply? | 08:26 |
| mgalvin | mdke, yea, I am waiting on james to set up my account | 08:30 |
| mdke | cool | 08:31 |
| mdke | has it be a long enough time for us to bug him? | 08:31 |
| mgalvin | its been about 4-5 days | 08:32 |
| mdke | hmm | 08:33 |
| mgalvin | i sent him an email this morning asking if he could set it up when he gets a chance | 08:33 |
| mdke | that might be a yes | 08:33 |
| mdke | ok cool | 08:33 |
| mgalvin | no response yet | 08:33 |
| mgalvin | feel free to bug him for me if you want :-) | 08:34 |
| mdke | i might | 08:34 |
| mdke | he'll probably be at the CC this evenin | 08:34 |
| jeffsch | howdy folks | 08:36 |
| mdke | hey jeffsch | 08:36 |
| mgalvin | hey jeffsch | 08:36 |
| jeffsch | mgalvin: i applied your gnome makefile patch | 08:36 |
| mgalvin | i saw, thanks | 08:36 |
| jeffsch | what happens if someone wants to build the whole thing? | 08:36 |
| mgalvin | i was thinking of making another target for all, i just didin't write it yet | 08:37 |
| jeffsch | ah, ok | 08:37 |
| mgalvin | er, called faq, which would build all faqs | 08:37 |
| jeffsch | :) | 08:38 |
| mgalvin | :) | 08:38 |
| jeffsch | i'll add your author file too. but you didn't need to send a diff :) | 08:38 |
| jeffsch | it's just a file for the authors directory | 08:38 |
| mgalvin | oh ok, thanks, i just figured since its in svn i would send the diff (better safe than sorry) | 08:40 |
| jeffsch | np | 08:41 |
| jeffsch | doh! faq is still a target in "make all" | 08:46 |
| jeffsch | mgalvin: how do you want to handle make all? | 08:46 |
| jeffsch | include faqi386 etc, in make all target, or what? | 08:47 |
| mgalvin | i am making a target called faq which calls faqi386 faqamd64 faqppc | 08:48 |
| mgalvin | so all will call faq which will call the others | 08:49 |
| mgalvin | its one line... | 08:49 |
| mgalvin | faq: faqi386 faqamd64 faqppc | 08:49 |
| jeffsch | hmmm... so faq will build three separate files | 08:49 |
| mgalvin | which will fix that breakage | 08:49 |
| mgalvin | it will build all 3 version of the faqguide | 08:49 |
| mgalvin | i added these 3 lines for this if you wanna just add them | 08:53 |
| mgalvin | #Status: AVAILABLE | 08:53 |
| mgalvin | # FAQ Guide - build for all archs (i386, amd64, ppc) | 08:53 |
| mgalvin | faq: faqi386 faqamd64 faqppc | 08:53 |
| jeffsch | ok, i'll add em | 08:54 |
| mgalvin | and these for kde | 08:54 |
| mgalvin | #Status: AVAILABLE | 08:54 |
| mgalvin | # K FAQ Guide - build for all archs (i386, amd64, ppc) | 08:54 |
| mgalvin | kfaq: kfaqi386 kfaqamd64 kfaqppc | 08:54 |
| jeffsch | mdke: have you built any html lately? | 08:56 |
| mgalvin | in my file i added those right above the individual targets to keep them together and in order | 08:56 |
| jeffsch | mdke: the other day you said something like "that ubuntu wiki draft graphic is cool" | 08:56 |
| mgalvin | just so you know | 08:56 |
| jeffsch | mdke: your wish is my command | 08:57 |
| jeffsch | mgalvin: yep, that's where i put it | 08:57 |
| mdke | haha | 08:59 |
| mdke | no i haven't but I will | 08:59 |
| mdke | i don't think the draft thing is cool, but it is nice to be consistent ;) | 09:00 |
| mgalvin | jeffsch, cool :) | 09:00 |
| mdke | bbl | 09:00 |
| jeffsch | ok mgalvin, i added the faq target to gnome side of things | 09:01 |
| jeffsch | groud will do the kde stuff | 09:01 |
| jeffsch | s/groud/froud :) | 09:02 |
| mgalvin | ok great thanks | 09:03 |
| jeffsch | gotta run. bbl | 09:08 |
| mgalvin | later | 09:09 |
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| Njal | lo all | 09:32 |
| mgalvin | hi Njal | 09:32 |
| Njal | hows all? | 09:32 |
| mgalvin | pretty good, been patching the makefiles to allow for building different versions of the faq guide | 09:33 |
| Njal | Cool, im not up to speed on it all yet, but i'm sure i'll catch on evertually | 09:34 |
| mgalvin | have you worked on any of the docs yet? | 09:35 |
| Njal | Yes, the ubuntu-gnome-userguide | 09:35 |
| Njal | specifically the command prompt bit | 09:35 |
| mgalvin | cool | 09:35 |
| Njal | Im off to uni in september so a lot of my time is spent learning C so learning xml on the side takes a bit | 09:36 |
| mdke | back | 10:05 |
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| mgalvin | if i only had commit access :-/ | 10:51 |
| mdke | yeah | 10:51 |
| Burgundavia | ask elmo | 10:51 |
| mdke | yes it is worth bugging him | 10:51 |
| === Burgundavia is reminded that he needs to get his commit access back | ||
| mdke | ooh he's not here | 10:52 |
| mdke | scandal | 10:52 |
| mgalvin | Burgundavia, i did and so did froud | 10:54 |
| mgalvin | and enrico | 10:55 |
| mdke | i'll bug him at CC if he comes | 10:55 |
| mdke | mgalvin, don't worry, in the meantime we'll apply your patches as fast as we can :D | 10:55 |
| mgalvin | :) | 10:55 |
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| mgalvin | froud, ping | 11:01 |
| mdke | he is applying em now | 11:02 |
| mgalvin | er, ok, was just going to make sure he uses the second kde makefile patch | 11:02 |
| mgalvin | i gotta run for now | 11:02 |
| mgalvin | see you guys in a bit | 11:02 |
| mgalvin | l8r | 11:02 |
| mdke | bye | 11:03 |
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| froud | So dudes | 11:14 |
| froud | waz up | 11:14 |
| mdke | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050705130920424 | 11:14 |
| mdke | patents news | 11:14 |
| froud | where did matt go' | 11:14 |
| mdke | froud, he went away, he wanted to make sure that you used his second patch for the kde makefile, rather than the first | 11:14 |
| froud | I did | 11:16 |
| froud | I replied to the patches I applied | 11:16 |
| mdke | ah col | 11:16 |
| mdke | cool | 11:17 |
| froud | there is one already applied, but seems nobody replied to it | 11:17 |
| mdke | erm | 11:17 |
| froud | think we must get the message out that if you apply a patch that you reply-to-all | 11:17 |
| mdke | jeff did the gnome one and the authors one, but he replied to them both | 11:17 |
| froud | Hmm | 11:17 |
| froud | nope no messages to the list | 11:19 |
| mdke | i got them | 11:20 |
| mdke | http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2005-July/002819.html | 11:20 |
| froud | ok, perhaps someting on the way, it take time for mail to reach africa :-) | 11:20 |
| mdke | http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2005-July/002818.html | 11:20 |
| mdke | heh guess so | 11:20 |
| froud | yep I see the svn log | 11:20 |
| mdke | but it was a while ago | 11:20 |
| froud | matt is doing good work | 11:21 |
| mdke | those emails are jeff posting to the ubuntu-doc list | 11:21 |
| mdke | froud, yeah he is :D | 11:21 |
| froud | he has the hang of profiles | 11:21 |
| froud | and th emake targets | 11:21 |
| froud | its really cool we have three archs and two os's in one file | 11:22 |
| mdke | cough | 11:23 |
| froud | fickle hearted? | 11:23 |
| froud | you non-believer you | 11:23 |
| froud | :-) | 11:23 |
| mdke | fickle = change of mind, i haven't changed mine yet ;) | 11:23 |
| froud | yep oust software patents | 11:24 |
| froud | If, down the road, Microsoft does attack GNU/Linux on patent infringement grounds, why isn't all this lobbying and undermining an example that could be used to demonstrate antitrust violation? Ditto on the standards wars. | 11:25 |
| froud | very true | 11:25 |
| froud | went to see mr and mrs smith today | 11:26 |
| froud | dam jolie is hot | 11:26 |
| froud | well I am off for now se ya later | 11:26 |
| mdke | ok | 11:27 |
| mdke | bye | 11:27 |
| froud | nite | 11:27 |
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