=== Seveaz [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-120.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:39] salut jsgotangco [02:42] salut [02:56] jdub_, ping? [03:07] brb === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Skywind [~Skywind@218.104.86.222] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:39] jdub, jsgotangco is looking for yo === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:44] (if you're not too busy) === Burgundavia laughs === Burgundavia thinks that jsgotangco should be a Canuck [03:48] oh i have immigration papers being processed actually [03:49] i wanted to ask jdub if its too much of a task to edit the main page of yelp since i found out how it works last night [03:49] (if it would be pointless since we always update stuff from upstream, it might bork other links) [03:50] (the yelp->scrollkeeper relationship that is) [03:52] editing toc.xml is easy, the hard part is actually getting all the current stuff organized in a logical way [03:52] jsgotangco: we already did it for hoary [03:53] jsgotangco: but for breezy, a document will be displayed instead (most likely) [03:53] oh ok [03:53] so if that happens, not sure there's much point [03:53] so i guess i'll just scrap this then [03:53] but if it doesn't, we'll have to do similar hacks that we did with hoary would be fine [03:53] hmm [03:54] my toc.xml atm is very different from the hoary default [03:55] if they're rad changes, may as well play with them now just in case [03:56] hmm [03:57] the mix of html and xml docs made the look so inconsistent [03:57] but i guess that can't be helped [03:58] not immediately [03:58] but plenty of those html docs come from docbook source [03:58] once we've analysed what we ship, we can start shipping upstream's pure docbook instead [03:59] jdub, does that mean we can choose what docs will be kept and docs that will be deprecated? [03:59] (in terms of relevance) [04:14] we can't already? [04:18] well i just thought you guys want the whole thing at the moment as is and just organise them... [04:19] but weeding out stuff not useful will be very much welcome imo === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~user@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === FLeiXiuS [~fleixius@pcp0010487351pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-120.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [~sean@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:41] African Greetings [07:42] hi froud [07:55] jsgotangco: howzit dude [07:55] coffee, morning news and irc chat :-) === jdub [~jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:56] geeze these dudes in Endinburgh are heavy [07:58] hrh [07:58] i've been fine [07:58] i just came from lunch [07:59] i've been dabbling with the yelp front page toc.xml [07:59] learning how it works with scrollkeeper [07:59] it may not be much of use if the frontpage would be a document [08:00] no it will be of use [08:00] if we still use toc.xml [08:00] just because we ship html does not mean that we will not register with scrollkeeper [08:00] good point [08:00] and knowing how to change the toc is helpful [08:01] oh changin the toc is incredibly easy [08:01] sure it must be, just no docs to explain it [08:01] i guess the biggest challenge is how everything gets interwined [08:01] yes [08:02] i noticed that even the doc you made got lost in the links [08:02] for hwdb [08:02] although its ubuntu-specific [08:03] everything is in /usr/share/yelp and sometimes traverse to /usr/share/scrollkeeper for the toc entries [08:03] yes, but I think that hwdb does have a help button [08:03] and currently the ubuntu-specifc docs are declared as yelp chunks [08:04] jsgotangco: have to found out why scrolkeeper wont support docbook 4.3 [08:04] last time we tried it, it worked only with 4.1.2 [08:04] scrollkeeper or yelp itself? [08:04] sk [08:04] hmm [08:04] im not so sure of the relation, sk has its own syntax in a way === jdub [~jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~user@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jdub [~jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === k31th [~stealth@flashtek-uk.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jgotangco [~user@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:36] hmm why does RHEL's yelp have an index and ours don't? [10:36] oh wait === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:36] its an incredibly old version of Yelp [10:36] (2.2.3) [10:37] at least it can search through titles (doh) [10:45] it can? [10:45] why didn't anyone merge that upstream :-( [10:45] its an incredibly old version [10:45] but its strange indeed [10:46] editing the frontpage isn't really complicated to begin with, i discovered last night [10:54] now you tell me :-P [10:56] we'll need it or else we'll end up with the same structure in a few months :P [10:57] need what? [10:57] fixing the frontpage of yelp [10:58] Well, yelp is going to be defaulting to opening a particular "book", rather than the ToC, within a few months [11:03] yeah, i guess my edits are not needed for now === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:21] mdke, hi [12:23] hello jsgotangco === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:24] whats up [12:25] not a lot, you? [12:25] i've been messing around with stuff [12:25] i was installing RHEL today [12:25] and just curiously looked at its yelp [12:28] ... [12:29] it had search! [12:29] heh [12:30] (it was an old version of yelp) [12:30] what was the help like? [12:30] oh it was stock gnome [12:30] but it had a 4th button called "index" where you can type in whatever you fancy [12:31] cool [12:31] i was actually messing around with the toc.xml page [12:32] its going to be useful or not for us, i cannot say yet [12:36] ill just finish my research on this then i'll go back into writing docs for gnome [12:38] i saw corey's email on the yelp frontpage [12:38] i've added my thoughts [12:39] ahhh [12:39] im not so sure if i can attend today's CC meeting; i have a morning appointment later [12:39] mpt has some ideas about that question too [12:39] what time is the CC meeting? [12:40] 22:00 UTC [12:40] i'll forward you an email [12:40] its interesting [12:40] i haven't answered it yet though [12:43] sent [12:43] who from? [12:44] thoreaupeutic [12:44] (Peter Garrett) [12:44] i got to talk to this guy during UDU [12:44] right [12:44] interesting mail [12:44] (he's a senior citizen btw) [12:44] ic [12:45] i'll reply to him later [12:45] hmmm [12:45] the whole point of having forums and a wiki is that they are really easy to contribute to [12:46] hmmm? [12:47] but as he says, there is no reason why people can't email us their work and we can go about integrating it [12:47] its been done before [12:47] well yeah that's what i am about to say [12:47] he's probably not subscribed to ubuntu-doc [12:47] he's usually just in the chat room [12:48] well i agree that greater communication is needed between us and ubuntu-users, ubuntu-devel etc [12:48] that's why I sent round the team meeting thing [12:48] if people want to contribute, it really is quite easy though IMO [12:48] just write to the mailing list or /j #ubuntu-doc [12:49] well that's how Mentoring Community is supposed to be, but isn't being practised at the moment [12:49] what do you mean? [12:49] oh well i'll reply to him later [12:49] he has a lot of good points though [12:49] we had a BOF before about Mentoring Community [12:50] indeed [12:50] well i'll try to catch up later if i can [12:50] i gotta go [12:50] okies [12:50] bye mate === mpt wonders what the cvs equivalent of "baz commit" is [01:24] similar I imagine [02:11] mdke: not really :-) [02:11] "baz commit" means commit to your local repository [02:12] so that, for example, "baz diff" starts again from zero [02:12] and so, for example, "baz switch" works without dragging the changes you've just made to a different branch where you probably don't want them [02:12] whereas "cvs commit" means commit to *the* repository [02:12] which only works if you have "commit access" [02:13] yeah [02:13] that is what svn does [02:13] "that" being which? [02:14] more similar to cvs, or to baz? [02:14] commit to repository [02:14] remote repository [02:14] so similar to cvs i guess [02:18] baz was the first RCS I learnt [02:18] so maybe I'm spoiled [02:18] i've heard its good [02:18] I've just made a diff, and sent it to the maintainer, and now I want to start another set of changes [02:19] without the first changes showing up in the second diff [02:19] on the userguide? [02:19] yes [02:19] cool [02:19] just get commit access [02:19] i'm sure it would not be hard [02:19] "just" :-) [02:19] especially if he knows you [02:19] dude, it's my first patch [02:19] And I've talked to him approximately once [02:20] if they don't have a lot of contributors, I'm thinking they will be happy for more [02:20] but thats cool [02:20] if you work on the second patch and send it to him, as long as he applies them in order there will be no problem right? [02:21] the second patch will be a superset of the first [02:21] and the third patch will be a superset of the second [02:21] and so on [02:21] yes [02:21] no problem [02:22] Well, it is a problem if he likes the second and third but not the first :-) [02:22] yes that is true [02:22] but you can correct the relevant sections and make a fourth ;) [02:24] heh [02:24] anyway, sleep time === asw [~asw@mcb1013.mcb.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [~mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [~froud@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === gtaylor [~gtaylor@130-127-67-44.lehotsky.clemson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:54] for 's the extra new lines get displayed by the browser which can make copy/pasting that content always have extra lines... [04:54] i would like to just make them more inline so that ... [04:54] [04:54] sudo apt-get install gftp [04:54] [04:55] would just be sudo apt-get install gftp [04:55] [04:55] [04:55] but that needs to be in a block element such as [04:56] [04:56] oh ok, i'll try that, the faq just currently uses everywhere [04:56] right ok === gtaylor [~gtaylor@130-127-67-44.lehotsky.clemson.edu] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Kopete] === gtaylor [~gtaylor@130-127-67-44.lehotsky.clemson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs [~plovs@62.84.23.171] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:10] since i am and will continue to be making changes to the faq and authoring new content for it (and since i co-authored the ppc version) is it appropriate to add myself as an author? === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [~ealden@219.90.93.173] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:19] sure add yourself as author [05:21] mgalvin: we used screen but you can use command, just that comand will not be shown with a black background [05:22] perhaps you would be better served just doing some command === solomarv [~solomarv@idontknow.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:28] froud, agreed, i tried using ... and that doesn't look very good, i will stick with ... === solomarv [~solomarv@idontknow.clarkson.edu] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [05:43] mgalvin: are you using profiles for ppc [05:44] you know you can do [05:45] mgalvin: for example you can use the arch attribute [05:45] >Terminal [05:46] if something is applicable to gnome+kde i386+ppc [05:46] then just pass a new param to the processor with profile.arch [05:46] and profile.os [05:47] cool, i haven't yet, but i will definitly do that [05:47] --stringparam profile.arch "ppc" profile.os "gnome" [05:48] see the faq make target and copy that to a new mae target [05:48] i will do [05:48] thnx [05:51] mgalvin: I am really glad you are loving that document :-) [05:55] froud, I'm glad to be helping out :-) [05:56] yeah thanks, I hope they get your key rolling quickly [05:57] me too [06:03] froud, should i make the faqppc build target build into .../C/ppc [06:04] it has a base.dir param to build/ [06:04] you will need to create a new dir in the build tree [06:05] if it's gnome it will be in build/gnome/faqguideppc/C/ [06:05] I think [06:05] ok, i'll do that, thnx [06:06] remember the links to ../images/C/ must work [06:06] ../../images/C/ must work [06:07] if you change that path you will not get any images [06:07] saying this we will have to fix the i386 make target [06:10] to faqguidei386? then we will also need faqguideamd64 [06:10] yes :-) bingo [06:11] all from the same instance, using different make targets [06:11] beautiful [06:11] ok, well, i am starving, i am gonna grab some food, i will change all those when i get back in like 30min === mgalvin [~mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === mgalvin [~mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-120.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === gtaylor [~gtaylor@130-127-67-44.lehotsky.clemson.edu] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Kopete] [08:25] jeffsch, you'd better apply that gnome makefile patch from mgalvin, i wouldn't have a clue [08:25] makefile patches mailed to the list [08:25] um, i see you saw that already :) [08:26] heh [08:26] this boy needs commit access [08:26] mgalvin, did you apply? [08:30] mdke, yea, I am waiting on james to set up my account [08:31] cool [08:31] has it be a long enough time for us to bug him? [08:32] its been about 4-5 days [08:33] hmm [08:33] i sent him an email this morning asking if he could set it up when he gets a chance [08:33] that might be a yes [08:33] ok cool [08:33] no response yet [08:34] feel free to bug him for me if you want :-) [08:34] i might [08:34] he'll probably be at the CC this evenin [08:36] howdy folks [08:36] hey jeffsch [08:36] hey jeffsch [08:36] mgalvin: i applied your gnome makefile patch [08:36] i saw, thanks [08:36] what happens if someone wants to build the whole thing? [08:37] i was thinking of making another target for all, i just didin't write it yet [08:37] ah, ok [08:37] er, called faq, which would build all faqs [08:38] :) [08:38] :) [08:38] i'll add your author file too. but you didn't need to send a diff :) [08:38] it's just a file for the authors directory [08:40] oh ok, thanks, i just figured since its in svn i would send the diff (better safe than sorry) [08:41] np [08:46] doh! faq is still a target in "make all" [08:46] mgalvin: how do you want to handle make all? [08:47] include faqi386 etc, in make all target, or what? [08:48] i am making a target called faq which calls faqi386 faqamd64 faqppc [08:49] so all will call faq which will call the others [08:49] its one line... [08:49] faq: faqi386 faqamd64 faqppc [08:49] hmmm... so faq will build three separate files [08:49] which will fix that breakage [08:49] it will build all 3 version of the faqguide [08:53] i added these 3 lines for this if you wanna just add them [08:53] #Status: AVAILABLE [08:53] # FAQ Guide - build for all archs (i386, amd64, ppc) [08:53] faq: faqi386 faqamd64 faqppc [08:54] ok, i'll add em [08:54] and these for kde [08:54] #Status: AVAILABLE [08:54] # K FAQ Guide - build for all archs (i386, amd64, ppc) [08:54] kfaq: kfaqi386 kfaqamd64 kfaqppc [08:56] mdke: have you built any html lately? [08:56] in my file i added those right above the individual targets to keep them together and in order [08:56] mdke: the other day you said something like "that ubuntu wiki draft graphic is cool" [08:56] just so you know [08:57] mdke: your wish is my command [08:57] mgalvin: yep, that's where i put it [08:59] haha [08:59] no i haven't but I will [09:00] i don't think the draft thing is cool, but it is nice to be consistent ;) [09:00] jeffsch, cool :) [09:00] bbl [09:01] ok mgalvin, i added the faq target to gnome side of things [09:01] groud will do the kde stuff [09:02] s/groud/froud :) [09:03] ok great thanks [09:08] gotta run. bbl [09:09] later === Njal [~chatzilla@dsl-80-46-178-161.access.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:32] lo all [09:32] hi Njal [09:32] hows all? [09:33] pretty good, been patching the makefiles to allow for building different versions of the faq guide [09:34] Cool, im not up to speed on it all yet, but i'm sure i'll catch on evertually [09:35] have you worked on any of the docs yet? [09:35] Yes, the ubuntu-gnome-userguide [09:35] specifically the command prompt bit [09:35] cool [09:36] Im off to uni in september so a lot of my time is spent learning C so learning xml on the side takes a bit [10:05] back === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveaz [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:51] if i only had commit access :-/ [10:51] yeah [10:51] ask elmo [10:51] yes it is worth bugging him === Burgundavia is reminded that he needs to get his commit access back [10:52] ooh he's not here [10:52] scandal [10:54] Burgundavia, i did and so did froud [10:55] and enrico [10:55] i'll bug him at CC if he comes [10:55] mgalvin, don't worry, in the meantime we'll apply your patches as fast as we can :D [10:55] :) === froud [~sean@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:01] froud, ping [11:02] he is applying em now [11:02] er, ok, was just going to make sure he uses the second kde makefile patch [11:02] i gotta run for now [11:02] see you guys in a bit [11:02] l8r [11:03] bye === Burgundavia watches his ram usage climb, because of a stupid beagle bug [11:14] So dudes [11:14] waz up [11:14] http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050705130920424 [11:14] patents news [11:14] where did matt go' [11:14] froud, he went away, he wanted to make sure that you used his second patch for the kde makefile, rather than the first [11:16] I did [11:16] I replied to the patches I applied [11:16] ah col [11:17] cool [11:17] there is one already applied, but seems nobody replied to it [11:17] erm [11:17] think we must get the message out that if you apply a patch that you reply-to-all [11:17] jeff did the gnome one and the authors one, but he replied to them both [11:17] Hmm [11:19] nope no messages to the list [11:20] i got them [11:20] http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2005-July/002819.html [11:20] ok, perhaps someting on the way, it take time for mail to reach africa :-) [11:20] http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2005-July/002818.html [11:20] heh guess so [11:20] yep I see the svn log [11:20] but it was a while ago [11:21] matt is doing good work [11:21] those emails are jeff posting to the ubuntu-doc list [11:21] froud, yeah he is :D [11:21] he has the hang of profiles [11:21] and th emake targets [11:22] its really cool we have three archs and two os's in one file [11:23] cough [11:23] fickle hearted? [11:23] you non-believer you [11:23] :-) [11:23] fickle = change of mind, i haven't changed mine yet ;) [11:24] yep oust software patents [11:25] If, down the road, Microsoft does attack GNU/Linux on patent infringement grounds, why isn't all this lobbying and undermining an example that could be used to demonstrate antitrust violation? Ditto on the standards wars. [11:25] very true [11:26] went to see mr and mrs smith today [11:26] dam jolie is hot [11:26] well I am off for now se ya later [11:27] ok [11:27] bye [11:27] nite === froud [~sean@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation]