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\sh | JRE? | 12:25 |
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\sh | jre: #ubuntu-meeting asap | 12:26 |
uniq | no need, he was approved after all :) | 12:27 |
\sh | yes yes :) | 12:29 |
uniq | hey, i'm not in the members list in launchpad.. | 12:29 |
Mez | Riddell, you do that dot.kde.org article yet | 12:33 |
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Riddell | Mez: yes it's up | 01:00 |
Mez | ah | 01:00 |
Mez | no mention of me :( | 01:00 |
Riddell | Mez: you arn't Martin Meredith? | 01:02 |
Mez | link? | 01:03 |
Mez | people in real life call me Mez | 01:03 |
Mez | which is why was confused | 01:04 |
Riddell | http://dot.kde.org/1120585462/ | 01:04 |
Riddell | the daily build is quite broken | 01:11 |
Mez | of? | 01:20 |
Riddell | kubuntu install CD | 01:21 |
uniq | where can those be downloaded? | 01:24 |
Riddell | cdimage.ubuntu.com | 01:25 |
Riddell | they've just been made in the last few days | 01:25 |
Riddell | uniq: download them, they you can rsync in future for quick updates | 01:25 |
uniq | ok. thanks. | 01:26 |
uniq | the rsync trick is nice. | 01:27 |
uniq | however, i'm on a 64k ISDN dialup line at the moment. :| | 01:32 |
Riddell | uniq: that's why you want to download overnight and rsync as required | 01:32 |
uniq | i'll download at the office tomorrow. | 01:32 |
uniq | this connection is just for late ngiht irc and mail. | 01:33 |
Riddell | Mez, uniq: should we offer seth_k ops on #kubuntu? | 01:44 |
Mez | yes | 01:44 |
uniq | sure, my grep -c on my kubuntu.log says 876 lines. more than most others. | 01:45 |
KaiL_ | what does this want to tell me? | 01:46 |
KaiL_ | run-parts: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/20hal exited with return code 2 | 01:46 |
KaiL_ | (sometimes also returns 1) | 01:46 |
KaiL_ | a _present_ op on #kubuntu would be great, for example for the warez kiddie last night | 01:47 |
uniq | riddell: we should also make some guidelines for the channel. i've noticed my view is a little more 'on topic' than others. | 01:47 |
Mez | Kail when was that? | 01:47 |
seth_k | I was there | 01:47 |
Riddell | seth_k: want ops? | 01:47 |
seth_k | godsmoke told him off | 01:47 |
seth_k | Riddell, I'd be honored :) | 01:48 |
Mez | Seth was I online? | 01:48 |
seth_k | not sure, Mez | 01:48 |
Mez | ah - well if I was you shoulda poked me :d | 01:48 |
Mez | btw - Riddell - I put kde-systemsettings in backports-extras | 01:49 |
seth_k | mmm systemsettings | 01:49 |
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Mez | It's on breezy normal :d | 01:49 |
Mez | and when i aske dyou earlier you said you preferred kcontrol :D | 01:49 |
Riddell | nobody can prefer kcontrol surly | 01:50 |
seth_k | no, I said I used kcontrol | 01:50 |
Riddell | 00:49 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [seth_k] has been added to the access list for #kubuntu with level [20] | 01:50 |
seth_k | thanks Riddell | 01:51 |
KaiL_ | wow, that starts fast | 01:51 |
Riddell | use it wisely | 01:51 |
seth_k | indeed | 01:51 |
seth_k | $temperature['kubuntu'] --; | 01:51 |
karthik085 | Riddell: I tested KCall on Hoary. It aksed me tons of packages to install, which i did. There were lot of dependencies problem, I had to resolve, in order to get it running. When running KCall, I am getting lot of warnings and errors too. Overall, I think it is a good package. It got contacts from the addressbook. But, its still in its early stages of development and deployment. It is not... | 01:51 |
karthik085 | ...stable. I get warnings and errors when running it. Server connection errors is highly likely to occur. Looks can be improved. Also, it lacks documentation. So, what do you think? | 01:51 |
KaiL_ | what on earth is KCall? | 01:51 |
Riddell | internet phone stuff | 01:52 |
karthik085 | KaiL_: telephony application of Kontact | 01:52 |
KaiL_ | ah | 01:52 |
seth_k | I have to run to work, but I'll be back. Thanks all | 01:52 |
uniq | enjoy work. | 01:52 |
seth_k | indeed I do | 01:52 |
Riddell | karthik085: what needed to be installed? | 01:52 |
uniq | i'm on my way to bed. almost 0200 here. | 01:52 |
seth_k | night uniq | 01:52 |
\sh | hmmm..what about shtoom as backend to VOIP stuff? | 01:53 |
KaiL_ | systemsettings looks realy good! | 01:55 |
KaiL_ | +l | 01:55 |
uniq | gah.. i'm close to the point where i disable pictures and colors to be able to surf. isdn rocks. | 01:55 |
KaiL_ | lol | 01:55 |
KaiL_ | It Still Does Nothing (don't ask me, where I found that) | 01:56 |
karthik085 | Riddell: Qt 3.3 above, few libraries that had dependencies problem such as libfontconfig1-dev, libpng1.0.12, etc during ./configure. During make, some x11 libraries | 01:56 |
Riddell | \sh: shtoom qt wasn't working last I tried (which was ages ago) | 01:57 |
uniq | that's just for building it.. probably not much for running. | 01:57 |
KaiL_ | time for a reboot now - let's hope, that brings hal back to work | 01:58 |
Riddell | karthik085: did you get it working? could you make phone calls and stuff? | 01:58 |
\sh | Riddell: yeah for me too..but it looks like it has to do with nonworking python-qt crap | 01:58 |
karthik085 | Riddell: qt-mt was needed | 01:58 |
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karthik085_ | Riddell: There were few updates I had to do. That messed my Ubuntu. Sound and eth0 interface was not loaded properly. I think I made some mistake during upgradtion. I will have to try it again | 02:03 |
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karthik_r085 | Riddell: There were few updates I had to do. That messed my Ubuntu. Sound and eth0 interface was not loaded properly. I think I made some mistake during upgradtion. I will have to try it again | 02:11 |
karthik_r085 | Riddell: Sorry, my router was restarted. So, I was kicked out. | 02:12 |
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KaiL | hmm, media:/ still dead in breezy? | 02:20 |
uniq | gnite. | 02:27 |
Mez | actually Ping: Riddell here | 02:29 |
KaiL | nice, new openOffice, but why does that free >30MB? ;) | 02:29 |
karthik_r085 | KaiL: OpenOffice 2.0 in breezy? | 02:34 |
KaiL | 1.9.113 | 02:35 |
Riddell | Mez: not sure, bugzilla permissions have always been a mystery to me | 02:35 |
Mez | lol fair enough | 02:36 |
KaiL | Riddell: media:/ is still dead in breezy? | 02:36 |
Riddell | Mez: are you able to close it? | 02:36 |
Mez | er.. | 02:36 |
Mez | no idea | 02:36 |
Mez | i dont see the option too | 02:36 |
Riddell | well there's lots of controls at the bottom if you can | 02:36 |
Mez | You tried to change the Status field from NEW to RESOLVED, but only the owner or submitter of the bug, or a sufficiently empowered user, may change that field. | 02:37 |
KaiL | which bug #? | 02:37 |
Mez | 12099 | 02:37 |
Mez | http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/k3b/ | 02:39 |
Mez | o-O | 02:39 |
Riddell | KaiL: I've just done a fresh upgrade to breezy and not X is broken so I can't test media today but mind and poke me to do so tomorrow | 02:39 |
Riddell | s/not/now/ | 02:39 |
karthik_r085 | Riddell: was qt working for you on hoary? | 02:39 |
Riddell | karthik_r085: on hoary yes | 02:39 |
KaiL | Mez: that bug sould be resolved fixed? | 02:40 |
KaiL | Riddell: X is missing /usr/bin/X11/X? | 02:40 |
karthik_r085 | Riddell: I think I need to reinstall Ubuntu. My updates caused major problems. I will try KCall again and let you know. | 02:40 |
Mez | KaiL, yeah it should... but I cant set it like that | 02:40 |
Mez | You tried to change the Status field from NEW to RESOLVED, but only the owner or submitter of the bug, or a sufficiently empowered user, may change that field. | 02:41 |
Riddell | karthik_r085: ok, thanks | 02:41 |
Mez | grr | 02:41 |
Mez | KaiL, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12099 | 02:41 |
KaiL | Mez: as now? :=) | 02:41 |
Mez | karthik - you missed your member thing | 02:41 |
Mez | good | 02:41 |
Mez | Kail - do you have access to allow me to own k3b bugs/ | 02:41 |
KaiL | for that I need your email | 02:42 |
Mez | martin@sourceguru.net | 02:42 |
karthik_r085 | Mez: I wanted to fix bugs and develop few packages, before I join MOTU. | 02:42 |
Mez | you cnat join MOtu eithout being a ammebr | 02:42 |
Mez | KaiL.... will you be able to assign me all future bugs? | 02:43 |
KaiL | 7877 too? That's to chris.halls@.. | 02:43 |
Mez | ywah, mark as resolved.. | 02:43 |
KaiL | funture bugs not, for that beg ogra (same for own permissions) | 02:43 |
Mez | cause like.. would have marked as duplicate | 02:44 |
KaiL | dup of the 12099? | 02:44 |
Mez | yeah ... basically | 02:44 |
KaiL | also done. | 02:44 |
KaiL | something else? | 02:45 |
Mez | not atm | 02:46 |
KaiL | somebody else without a ticked - eh without bugzilla permissions? ;) | 02:46 |
Mez | ... ? | 02:48 |
Mez | without a ticked - eh ? | 02:48 |
Mez | huh | 02:48 |
KaiL | old joke from my math teacher | 02:49 |
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Mez | I maintain k3b now for kubunut | 02:49 |
Mez | but... dont get any damn bug reports | 02:49 |
Mez | I just resolved most of them as fixed in the latest packages | 02:49 |
KaiL | he always asked "somebody else without a ticket?" after he catched the first, who didn't do the homework (which was normally one of the first 3 he asked) | 02:50 |
KaiL | "If you have unexpectedly lost editbugs privileges, talk to mdz/ogra/kiko" | 02:50 |
KaiL | those 3 should also be able to assign k3b bugs automatically to you | 02:51 |
Mez | lol | 02:51 |
KaiL | kde-i18n-fy and -lt look "nice" | 02:56 |
KaiL | 6 files in the packages - that's not, as it should be | 02:57 |
KaiL | Mez: that might also be something for you: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10237 | 02:58 |
Mez | weird error | 03:00 |
KaiL | indeed | 03:00 |
Mez | if it's not mounting though... that isn't k3b. | 03:01 |
Mez | it's mount | 03:01 |
KaiL | meybe we should send it to mount? | 03:02 |
KaiL | maybe.. | 03:02 |
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KaiL | k3b should suggest/recommend k3b-mp3 imho | 03:11 |
KaiL | what to do, if a bug is fixed in breezy, but still exists in hoary? is that called "fixed"? | 03:15 |
Mez | KaiL, I dont think it should, seeing as really... we dont want to endorse MP3 stff... | 03:16 |
Mez | Kail - wait for backports :D | 03:16 |
Mez | #:P | 03:16 |
KaiL | at least we should find a way to install all that mp3-support in an easy way in breezy, maybe some "kubuntu-mpeg" meta package in universe? | 03:17 |
Mez | kubuntu-mp3 | 03:17 |
Mez | thats a good idea :D pseudo packages are fun | 03:17 |
Mez | Riddell what do you think? | 03:17 |
Mez | hehe :D KaiL - wanna just make it anyways | 03:18 |
KaiL | at least better than an endless list of packages | 03:18 |
Mez | cause I cant remember which packages :D | 03:18 |
KaiL | akode-mpeg, k3b-mp3 for the first | 03:18 |
Mez | KaiL, what about | 03:18 |
Mez | kubuntu-media-restricted ;) | 03:19 |
Mez | libdvdcss ;) | 03:19 |
Mez | etc etc | 03:19 |
KaiL | w32codecs | 03:19 |
Mez | is w32codecs in the real repositories? | 03:19 |
KaiL | but we need one for the files in universe and one for the ones from -extras | 03:19 |
KaiL | no, as libdvdcss2 | 03:19 |
Mez | hmm | 03:20 |
Mez | those'd come from extras then | 03:20 |
Mez | from backports ;) | 03:20 |
Mez | I can always do a backports pseuod-package :D | 03:20 |
KaiL | kubuntu-media-restricted goes to backports and depends on kubuntu-mp3 (universe), libdvdcss2 and w32codecs. | 03:21 |
KaiL | kubuntu-mp3 goes to universe and depends on akode-mpeg and k3b-mp3 (and maybe others) | 03:22 |
KaiL | Riddell: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11346 ? | 03:27 |
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froud | African Greetings | 07:27 |
KaiL | before you open too many apps, could you check, if this still exists? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12031 :) | 07:29 |
KaiL | eh, sorry, this: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10175 | 07:29 |
KaiL | Riddell: some easy (?) file-moving-fun: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8136 | 07:32 |
KaiL | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11845 another easy fix | 08:00 |
KaiL | \sh_away: what about this https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11076 ? fixed? | 08:07 |
KaiL | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8596 next easy one | 08:14 |
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\sh | argk | 10:31 |
\sh | shitty xorg stuff | 10:31 |
Mez | E: gaim-assistant: changelog-file-not-compressed CHANGELOG | 10:31 |
Mez | can anyone explain that to em | 10:31 |
\sh | man dh_installchangelog ;) | 10:34 |
Mez | No manual entry for dh_installchangelog | 10:35 |
Mez | :P | 10:35 |
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\sh | Riddell: ping | 10:38 |
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Riddell | \sh: hi | 11:25 |
\sh | Riddell: do we miss the libxi-dev somewhere? | 11:29 |
Riddell | \sh: it's been recently separated out | 11:30 |
\sh | yeah..so we have to put it into build-deps right? | 11:31 |
Riddell | yes | 11:32 |
Riddell | if a package needs it | 11:32 |
\sh | k | 11:34 |
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froud | *cough* mart, Mez anyone able to upgrade a hoary kubuntu to breezy yet? | 12:26 |
Riddell | froud: the daily CD is indeed broken | 12:26 |
froud | Riddell: :-( | 12:27 |
Riddell | froud: I upgraded hoary to breezy but had to --formve-overwrite on a package and fix the fonts line in xorg.conf | 12:27 |
froud | Riddell: when do you think I can get an ISO that will at least install and do the setup of xorg | 12:28 |
froud | eager to work but no tools | 12:28 |
froud | and kde-systemsettings will only keep me busy for a short while | 12:29 |
Riddell | froud: well upgrading from hoary works with some hackrey | 12:29 |
Riddell | hackery | 12:29 |
froud | Riddell: I am in co.za, we have cap limits on our international downloads | 12:29 |
froud | Riddell: can you email me instructions for the hackery | 12:30 |
froud | I can then document them and put them up for others | 12:30 |
Riddell | froud: isn't there a .za ubuntu mirror? | 12:30 |
froud | yes but IS throttles the download per connection to 14KBit/s | 12:31 |
Riddell | froud: when it says "can't install package because it includes file foo that already exists in another package" you can sudo dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/foo.deb | 12:31 |
froud | k | 12:32 |
Riddell | then if X complains about broken fonts edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change /usr/share/X11/foo to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/foo in the fonts section | 12:32 |
froud | k | 12:33 |
froud | will try it again later, now must work :-( | 12:33 |
Riddell | froud: thanks for your patience | 12:34 |
froud | np shit 'appens. Just want to get up and running and be able to get books for release:-) | 12:35 |
froud | lost patience yesterday. went to see Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Boy Angela Jolie is hot :-) | 12:35 |
froud | feel much better | 12:36 |
Riddell | KaiL: media:/ and HAL support works for me in breezy | 12:43 |
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KaiL | Riddell: without patching anything? | 03:12 |
Riddell | KaiL: yes | 03:13 |
KaiL | that's strange | 03:13 |
Riddell | KaiL: what's your problem? | 03:16 |
KaiL | I don't even get Icons for USB-Sticks in media:/ :/ | 03:17 |
Riddell | KaiL: does gnome-volume-manager work? | 03:19 |
KaiL | let's see, if I can use that somehow from kde | 03:19 |
KaiL | btw. hal-device-manager sees the changes | 03:20 |
KaiL | hmm, that tool tries to mount sda, not sda1 - lol? | 03:22 |
Riddell | gnome-volume-manager? | 03:24 |
KaiL | yes | 03:25 |
KaiL | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scsi/host6/bus0/target0/lun0/disc, | 03:25 |
KaiL | hmm | 03:26 |
KaiL | hal doesn't see partitions at all?!? | 03:28 |
KaiL | manager.c/1423: New Device: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_5dc_300_302AC2091004521_if0_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun0 | 03:28 |
KaiL | manager.c/1423: New Device: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_GEYSER_JUMPDRIVE | 03:28 |
KaiL | shouldn't there be a line about part1? | 03:29 |
KaiL | [4342173.309000] /dev/scsi/host7/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 | 03:32 |
KaiL | dmesg isn't that blind | 03:32 |
Riddell | sounds like a broken HAL. it's stopped picking up my internal CD-ROM drive (external one picked up fine) | 03:34 |
KaiL | rotfl | 03:34 |
KaiL | guess, what happenes, if I insert a disk into the internal cdrom? :) | 03:35 |
KaiL | it get's automounted! | 03:36 |
KaiL | so I don't know, how you broke your hal, but to mine it has EXACTLY the opposite result... | 03:37 |
KaiL | hunger: how about you? a third result? | 03:38 |
hunger | KaiL: My internal cd gets mounted. | 03:39 |
hunger | KaiL: It is a laptop and the device is hotplugable, so it might count as an external drive though. | 03:39 |
KaiL | is it hd** or sd**? | 03:40 |
hunger | KaiL: sc* | 03:40 |
hunger | KaiL: The icon even vanishes on eject now! | 03:40 |
KaiL | what about USB-Sticks? | 03:41 |
KaiL | and WTF is going on here? | 03:41 |
hunger | KaiL: usb stick works for me (TM) | 03:42 |
KaiL | grr | 03:42 |
Riddell | KaiL: kl@3dots.de is you? | 03:59 |
KaiL | yes | 03:59 |
Riddell | ah hah :) | 03:59 |
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froud | Riddell: on that upgrade, did you say do an upgrade or a dist-upgrade? | 04:55 |
Riddell | I just did an upgrade | 04:56 |
froud | OK | 04:56 |
froud | here goes | 04:56 |
Riddell | good luck | 04:56 |
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hunger | I set a keyboard shortcut for some programm... how do I remove it again once it is no longer listed in kmenuedit? | 05:40 |
hunger | The shortcut is still bound... | 05:40 |
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Riddell | anyone going to stop me removing juk from the seed? | 07:18 |
hunger | Nope... | 07:19 |
hunger | I never used it anyway;-) | 07:19 |
Riddell | hunger: what do you use? | 07:19 |
hunger | Riddell: I do not listen to music. | 07:19 |
mart | er Riddell .... | 07:20 |
mart | what's going to replace it? not amarok? | 07:20 |
Riddell | mart: amarok was the idea | 07:20 |
mart | it doesn't crash for you? | 07:20 |
Riddell | nope, not using the gstreamer engine | 07:21 |
mart | oh, it crashes for me with all engines after a couple of tracks | 07:21 |
mart | or just hangs | 07:21 |
Riddell | mart: get a backtrace? | 07:22 |
mart | it used to send them every now and again when I built from source | 07:22 |
mart | it had this "copy the backtrace into an email " thing | 07:22 |
mart | but it didn't always make at bt - sometimes it just crashed completely, no dr konqi | 07:23 |
mart | and they were from all over the code base too | 07:23 |
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mart | Riddell: you don't run artsd at all? | 07:24 |
mart | or rather... | 07:24 |
Riddell | mart: still needs artsd for KDE sounds unfortunatly | 07:24 |
hunger | Riddell: Let's all hope for kdemm:-) | 07:25 |
mart | what does Control Centre->Sound System->Hardware->audio device say? | 07:25 |
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Riddell | mart: autodetect | 07:25 |
mart | hmm | 07:26 |
Riddell | why? | 07:26 |
mart | just wondered what else could cause it to be so unreliable | 07:27 |
mart | Riddell: what does configure amarok->engine->output plugin say for you? | 07:28 |
Riddell | osssink | 07:28 |
mart | this relies on oss emulation in the kernel I guess? | 07:29 |
mart | ah, just hung with that | 07:29 |
mart | oh well, if it's just me, then... | 07:31 |
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uniq | amarok is stable as long as i don't try to stream radio or something like that.. then it dies. | 08:01 |
uniq | dies in the "I need all available CPU-time + some more"-fashion. | 08:02 |
mart | ok, I just want to play some mp3s... | 08:02 |
uniq | hmm.. is breezy useable by now? | 08:05 |
hunger | uniq: Sometimes;-) | 08:05 |
uniq | what about right now? :) | 08:05 |
mart | uniq: once you get past the upgrade it seems fine | 08:05 |
hunger | uniq: if you fix X yourself it works ok at the moment. | 08:05 |
uniq | X, like the fontpaths? | 08:05 |
mart | X in breezy kills my vt's too | 08:06 |
hunger | uniq: The path to Xorg itself at the moment. | 08:06 |
mart | don't know what that's about | 08:06 |
uniq | ok, i'll go for a upgrade then. | 08:06 |
hunger | uniq: It is manageable... but not really fun. | 08:06 |
mart | oh, I think you have to force some packages too, with --force-overwrites | 08:07 |
uniq | that's no problem. | 08:07 |
hunger | mart: Don't remember having done that... | 08:07 |
hunger | mart: But then I am on breezy since it came out. | 08:08 |
uniq | i had a computer on breezy too. but i replaced it when breezy was totaly broken. | 08:09 |
uniq | breezy here i come. | 08:09 |
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pef | hello | 08:33 |
uniq | hi pef. | 08:34 |
pef | does an ubuntu package needs a desktop file for kde and gnome ? | 08:34 |
uniq | yes, it's a good idea to include one. but i don't think it's needed as in policy needed. | 08:35 |
uniq | you're packaging datakiosk? | 08:35 |
pef | yes, and it's a comment I had | 08:36 |
pef | http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=57 | 08:36 |
uniq | don't know if a application like that needs a .desktop file. | 08:36 |
uniq | I wouldn't focus too much on the .desktop file. | 08:38 |
uniq | It might be a good idea to include. but it's not like everyone should run this program anyway. it's a admin tool. | 08:39 |
pef | uniq, no ;) | 08:39 |
Riddell | it does include a .desktop file, maybe it doesn't work in gnome for some reason | 08:39 |
pef | it's not a database manager | 08:39 |
uniq | is it advisable to ship it with a .desktop at all? - i would consider this a 'doesn't need to appear in the menu'-type application. much like /sbin stuff on the commandline. | 08:42 |
Riddell | uniq: it's not /sbin, it's a graphical user program | 08:43 |
uniq | it's not a admintool? | 08:43 |
Riddell | no | 08:43 |
uniq | ah.. then i'm just stupid. | 08:44 |
uniq | i was thinking in the lines of kiosktool. | 08:44 |
uniq | then i take back everything i said and say: yes, you need a .desktop file :) | 08:46 |
Riddell | which it already has | 08:47 |
pef | for gnome _and_ kde so ? | 08:47 |
Riddell | pef: no, one .desktop file should work for all | 08:47 |
pef | Riddell, I have put it in /usr/share/applications/kde/, is it right ? | 08:48 |
pef | (I've found that in another package) | 08:48 |
pef | bb | 08:49 |
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pef | so :) | 08:57 |
pef | my desktop file is ok ? | 08:57 |
Riddell | pef: works in KDE great, just checking gnome now | 08:58 |
Riddell | 5mins to download gnome | 08:58 |
Riddell | pef: did you make any changes to the upstream? wondering about the patch comments | 08:59 |
pef | Riddell, not yet, I'm currently correct all the defaults before uploading | 09:00 |
Riddell | pef: what was corrected? | 09:02 |
pef | Riddell, nothing, it's in my notebook now | 09:04 |
pef | I just have the desktop file problem | 09:04 |
Riddell | pef: it's just a comment says "please put patches in debian/patches" but I don't see any | 09:05 |
pef | Riddell, yes, I don't have made any patch, don't know does he found that | 09:06 |
pef | maybe inverted a comment with another package | 09:06 |
uniq | there are a lot of changes in the .diff | 09:09 |
Riddell | mostly evil autotools stuff, which is hard to avoid | 09:10 |
pef | uniq, I haven't made any changes to the source :| | 09:10 |
uniq | can't you make the source before running the auto-stuff? | 09:10 |
pef | I think no | 09:11 |
uniq | I can't see any non-auto-stuff changes either. | 09:12 |
pef | I just ran dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, am I wrong ? | 09:13 |
uniq | try debuild -S -us -uc | 09:13 |
Riddell | pef: you're not wrong at all (although debuild has some extra checks before running dpkg-buildpackage) | 09:13 |
uniq | does dpkg-buildpackage run clean first? | 09:13 |
Riddell | uniq: yes | 09:14 |
uniq | ok. | 09:14 |
Riddell | uniq: but it doesn't always clean up everything, autotools is like that | 09:14 |
uniq | you -can- clean it up manually. | 09:17 |
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uniq | just to make the diff cleaner :) | 09:17 |
uniq | 3616 datakiosk_0.7-0ubuntu1.diff.gz | 09:17 |
uniq | :) | 09:17 |
Riddell | pef: .desktop file works fine for gnome | 09:18 |
pef | Riddell, so why the comment ? | 09:18 |
pef | (not you) | 09:18 |
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Riddell | he must be mad | 09:19 |
uniq | there are no patches to use dpatch for.. the manpage doesn't need it's own patch. | 09:22 |
pef | the comment says "remove config.sub and config.guess from diff", must it be done manually after dpkg-buildpackage ? it is not very clean no ? | 09:22 |
uniq | you can add it to clean:: in debian/rules | 09:23 |
uniq | rm -f config.sub config.guess | 09:23 |
Riddell | pef: are you going to make the other changes requested? | 09:27 |
pef | Riddell, the really needed (not patch ?) of course ;) | 09:29 |
pef | Now i clean rules | 09:29 |
Riddell | pef: copyright year and mention manpage in changelog | 09:30 |
pef | Riddell, year is ok, the mention I added is "*added manpage" | 09:31 |
Riddell | good enough for me :) | 09:31 |
pef | Riddell, so I upload | 09:32 |
Riddell | pef: where to? | 09:32 |
pef | Riddell, I will mention when it's ok | 09:34 |
tvo | Riddell: already looked at kio_locate? ;-) | 09:37 |
Riddell | tvo: what's the URL again? | 09:39 |
tvo | http://home.casema.nl/vollebregt/soc/kio-locate-alpha-050705.tar.gz | 09:39 |
tvo | need scons to install | 09:39 |
tvo | "scons configure && scons && sudo scons install" should do | 09:40 |
pef | (scons rocks) | 09:40 |
tvo | Riddell: I was wondering, how many things should be configurable, and how? | 09:42 |
tvo | currently it's via typing locater:config in konqueror | 09:42 |
tvo | though I haven't modified the config dlg, none of the options of the first tab have any effect | 09:43 |
Riddell | tvo: I think we should have metabar have a button launching locater:config | 09:43 |
pef | mm I always have config.(guess|sub) in my diff | 09:44 |
Riddell | pef: even if clean removes them? | 09:44 |
tvo | yeah that would do, could also add a hyperlink to about:konqueror | 09:44 |
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uniq | pef: did you check with 'fakeroot debian/rules clean' that clean actually remove the files? | 09:45 |
pef | uniq, you were right | 09:48 |
pef | I think I must delete libtool, config.h, config.log, config.status, Makefile and stamp-h1 from the diff ? | 09:51 |
tvo | Riddell: btw, which has higher "priority", kfind or inotify locate? | 09:51 |
tvo | inotify locate seems cooler | 09:51 |
Riddell | whichever you think the most useful | 09:52 |
Riddell | inotify locate would be cool it's true | 09:52 |
pef | Riddell, should I remove all the stuff in diff which is like Makefile.diff and config.* ? | 09:55 |
Riddell | pef: yeah I guess so | 09:55 |
tvo | Riddell: and some question about baz: what is preferable, one summer-of-code archive with kio-locate and inotifylocate/kfind projects, or different archive with only a single project for each? | 09:56 |
pef | Riddell, If I have Makefile.diff in subdirectory, how can I delete them cleanly ? using rm in clean:: ? | 09:56 |
pef | in multiple subdirectories | 09:56 |
uniq | pef: the easiest way to make a clean diff is to move the source directory out of the way, (don't delete it). unpack the orig.tar.gz, copy the debian/ dir from the source directory with everything included. now make the package from the new directory. | 09:57 |
Riddell | pef: find . -name Makefile.diff | xargs rm -f | 09:57 |
uniq | poor explanation.. | 09:57 |
Riddell | tvo: ideally everything goes in the origional archives, so kio-locate archive for that etc | 09:57 |
Riddell | tvo: but if you can't do that just put it in a baz archive (assuming you've worked out baz) | 09:58 |
tvo | Riddell: I've worked through a quite large tutorial today (took me almost entire day....) | 09:59 |
Riddell | tvo: where is that? | 10:00 |
tvo | Riddell: http://regexps.srparish.net/tutorial-tla/arch.html | 10:00 |
tvo | it's tla but it's almost the same I noticed | 10:00 |
Riddell | baz is a fork of arch which is ment to be easier to use | 10:01 |
Riddell | (and is sponsored by canonical) | 10:01 |
tvo | yeah, I asked about that earlier today on #ubuntu-devel | 10:01 |
tvo | there was only one difference in first half of this tutorial | 10:02 |
tvo | lemme check | 10:02 |
tvo | tla archive-setup if I recall correctly wasn't needed in baz | 10:04 |
pef | uniq, nice and clean method :) | 10:04 |
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tvo | Riddell: any specific version numbering scheme I should follow? | 10:09 |
Riddell | tvo: for which? | 10:11 |
tvo | Riddell: currently kio_locate, but later also inotifylocate/kfind | 10:12 |
pef | Riddell, http://dl.erodia.net/ubuntu/datakiosk/ I think it's ok | 10:12 |
Riddell | tvo: what's the current kio-locate version? | 10:12 |
uniq | 0.4.2 isn't it? | 10:13 |
tvo | yes that's right | 10:13 |
Riddell | I would call it 0.4.2tvo0.1 or something | 10:15 |
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uniq | any idea how i can change the favicon for apt:/ ? i tried to add Icon= in the .desktop files but it didn't change anything. | 10:18 |
Riddell | uniq: where is it set at the moment? | 10:18 |
uniq | riddell: can't find it anywhere. that's why i'm asking. | 10:18 |
uniq | if i make Icon=something, like in regular .desktop files it doesn't change anything,. | 10:19 |
uniq | looks like the antenna favicon is something default.. | 10:19 |
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uniq | and it changes to a regular "html-favicon" when something is added to the URI. like apt:/search?bash | 10:21 |
pef | http://dl.erodia.net/ubuntu/datakiosk/ I've corrected what the comments mentionned | 10:21 |
allee | pef: hi | 10:25 |
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allee | pef: looks like the manpage is almost umodified kdemangen.pl output. | 10:26 |
pef | allee, yes, there is no others command lines options | 10:26 |
allee | pef: debian removed almost all skeleton manpages because users kept complaining | 10:27 |
pef | allee, but a package needs a manpage no ? | 10:27 |
pef | (lintian complains if not) | 10:27 |
allee | pef: yes. without manpage one can submit a but. But users expect that man <app> gives more info than <app> --help-all | 10:28 |
allee | s/but/bug/ | 10:28 |
allee | IMHO better a bug than a disapointing manpage (manpages have a bad enough reputation already) | 10:29 |
pef | ok, so I remove the currently manpage ? | 10:30 |
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pef | I only do that to be compliant, since this apps hasn't command line parameters, I don't know what I can add | 10:31 |
allee | pef: Of course it's better to add some extra info than removing, but if you don't have time, I suggest it's removal | 10:31 |
allee | pef: Some extra docs what it is (copy long description) how it works. Enviroment vars used, standard location of files, references to other useful manpages docs, ... | 10:32 |
pef | allee, I can add it later, into next package revision ? | 10:34 |
allee | pef: I would say yes. Release it when ready. Just don't forget about it ;) | 10:36 |
pef | allee, for sure ;) | 10:37 |
pef | allee, and the rest of the package is ok ? | 10:37 |
allee | pef: I only wondered that it links against all libqt*sql pkgs. Aren't they loaded on demand (I only had a look at the diff not the code) | 10:38 |
pef | allee, If you want to access to an sqlite database, you must have libqt-mt-sqlite, for mysql libqt-mt-mysql, etc | 10:40 |
pef | should I put them in recommends ? | 10:40 |
pef | I afraid that personns don't read this fields, and complains about buggy apps | 10:40 |
pef | I'm | 10:41 |
allee | pef: An I can hear complains I only need *sql my I'm forced to have xsql ysql too? ;) | 10:42 |
pef | allee, erf :) | 10:42 |
pef | so recommends is a good idea, no ? | 10:42 |
allee | pef: seriously your on the save side | 10:42 |
pef | at the beginning I had this problem, don't know why I can't open any database | 10:43 |
allee | pef: I'm only brainstorming: Depend: sqlite | xsql | ysql and Recommend all xyz sqls | 10:43 |
allee | pef: would make sure that at least one is installed and you can remove all but one. aptitude/synaptics still installs all by default | 10:44 |
allee | pef: hmm, I give revu a try .. | 10:55 |
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pef | :/ | 11:09 |
allee | pef: so one more here: control misses final newline ;) | 11:09 |
allee | pef: grep -h -r -i copyright src | sort | uniq | 11:13 |
allee | pef: you upload a .tar.gz not an .orig.tar.gz | 11:28 |
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pef | allee, http://dl.erodia.net/ubuntu/datakiosk/ newline corrected | 11:29 |
allee | pef: dpkg-source -x *.dsc complains :( | 11:29 |
allee | pef: ah, fixed thanks | 11:31 |
pef | I've just made a new upload | 11:34 |
allee | pef: yes and I jumped in in the middle of the upload. After a reload of the dir I found the orig.tar. Sorry | 11:35 |
pef | no problem | 11:37 |
pef | I hope it's ok now ;) | 11:38 |
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allee | pef: build and install her ;) | 11:39 |
allee | tvo: hope you manage to like arch/baz. I failed ;) | 11:39 |
tvo | allee: I think I like it better than CVS already | 11:40 |
tvo | but I never bothered to read the manual thorougly | 11:40 |
allee | pef complain upstream. Having handbook menuitem but no doc is careless | 11:43 |
pef | allee, dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends} | 11:45 |
pef | should I remove the variable from the rules file ? | 11:45 |
allee | I keep it. One never knows when dh_ tools add to it | 11:46 |
allee | pef: libqt*sql use 1.3MB. So I keep you depend and forget my brainstorming suggestion | 11:47 |
pef | allee, setting them all as Depends ? | 11:48 |
allee | pef: yes. 1.3 is not that much. and if people start complaining. think about it again if you like | 11:49 |
Riddell | http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/qt4/ qt4 packages | 11:51 |
uniq | nice. | 11:55 |
Riddell | pef: no .orig at http://dl.erodia.net/ubuntu/datakiosk/ | 11:58 |
uniq | riddell: do you want the kio-apt without the nice kubuntu favicon before the freeze? | 11:58 |
Riddell | uniq: when is freeze? | 11:59 |
uniq | very soon.. a few hours or 24+a few hours. | 11:59 |
uniq | tomorrow is said. | 11:59 |
uniq | i don't have X right now.. so i can't check the mailinglists. | 12:00 |
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uniq | universe won't freeze though.. | 12:00 |
uniq | but kio-apt is one of those nice-to-have-in-main things.. imho. | 12:01 |
allee | Riddell: reload? I see the orig | 12:01 |
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Riddell | allee: yes it's there now, spooky | 12:01 |
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