[12:25] <\sh> JRE?
[12:26] <\sh> jre: #ubuntu-meeting asap
[12:27] <uniq> no need, he was approved after all :)
[12:29] <\sh> yes yes :) 
[12:29] <uniq> hey, i'm not in the members list in launchpad.. 
[12:33] <Mez> Riddell, you do that dot.kde.org article yet
[01:00] <Riddell> Mez: yes it's up
[01:00] <Mez> ah
[01:00] <Mez> no mention of me :(
[01:02] <Riddell> Mez: you arn't Martin Meredith?
[01:03] <Mez> link?
[01:03] <Mez> people in real life call me Mez 
[01:04] <Mez> which is why was confused
[01:04] <Riddell> http://dot.kde.org/1120585462/
[01:11] <Riddell> the daily build is quite broken
[01:20] <Mez> of?
[01:21] <Riddell> kubuntu install CD
[01:24] <uniq> where can those be downloaded? 
[01:25] <Riddell> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[01:25] <Riddell> they've just been made in the last few days
[01:25] <Riddell> uniq: download them, they you can rsync in future for quick updates
[01:26] <uniq> ok. thanks. 
[01:27] <uniq> the rsync trick is nice.
[01:32] <uniq> however, i'm on a 64k ISDN dialup line at the moment. :|
[01:32] <Riddell> uniq: that's why you want to download overnight and rsync as required
[01:32] <uniq> i'll download at the office tomorrow.
[01:33] <uniq> this connection is just for late ngiht irc and mail.
[01:44] <Riddell> Mez, uniq: should we offer seth_k ops on #kubuntu?
[01:44] <Mez> yes
[01:45] <uniq> sure, my grep -c on my kubuntu.log says 876 lines. more than most others.
[01:46] <KaiL_> what does this want to tell me?
[01:46] <KaiL_> run-parts: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/20hal exited with return code 2
[01:46] <KaiL_> (sometimes also returns 1)
[01:47] <KaiL_> a _present_ op on #kubuntu would be great, for example for the warez kiddie last night 
[01:47] <uniq> riddell: we should also make some guidelines for the channel. i've noticed my view is a little more 'on topic' than others.
[01:47] <Mez> Kail when was that?
[01:47] <seth_k> I was there
[01:47] <Riddell> seth_k: want ops?
[01:47] <seth_k> godsmoke told him off
[01:48] <seth_k> Riddell, I'd be honored :)
[01:48] <Mez> Seth was I online?
[01:48] <seth_k> not sure, Mez
[01:48] <Mez> ah - well if I was you shoulda poked me :d
[01:49] <Mez> btw - Riddell - I put kde-systemsettings in backports-extras
[01:49] <seth_k> mmm systemsettings
[01:49] <Mez> It's on breezy normal :d
[01:49] <Mez> and when i aske dyou earlier you said you preferred kcontrol :D
[01:50] <Riddell> nobody can prefer kcontrol surly
[01:50] <seth_k> no, I said I used kcontrol
[01:50] <Riddell> 00:49 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [seth_k]  has been added to the access list for #kubuntu with level [20] 
[01:51] <seth_k> thanks Riddell
[01:51] <KaiL_> wow, that starts fast
[01:51] <Riddell> use it wisely
[01:51] <seth_k> indeed
[01:51] <seth_k> $temperature['kubuntu'] --;
[01:51] <karthik085> Riddell: I tested KCall on Hoary. It aksed me tons of packages to install, which i did. There were lot of dependencies problem, I had to resolve, in order to get it running. When running KCall, I am getting lot of warnings and errors too. Overall, I think it is a good package. It got contacts from the addressbook. But, its still in its early stages of development and deployment. It is not...
[01:51] <karthik085> ...stable. I get warnings and errors when running it. Server connection errors is highly likely to occur. Looks can be improved. Also, it lacks documentation. So, what do you think? 
[01:51] <KaiL_> what on earth is KCall?
[01:52] <Riddell> internet phone stuff
[01:52] <karthik085> KaiL_: telephony application of Kontact
[01:52] <KaiL_> ah
[01:52] <seth_k> I have to run to work, but I'll be back. Thanks all
[01:52] <uniq> enjoy work.
[01:52] <seth_k> indeed I do
[01:52] <Riddell> karthik085: what needed to be installed?
[01:52] <uniq> i'm on my way to bed. almost 0200 here.
[01:52] <seth_k> night uniq
[01:53] <\sh> hmmm..what about shtoom as backend to VOIP stuff?
[01:55] <KaiL_> systemsettings looks realy good!
[01:55] <KaiL_> +l
[01:55] <uniq> gah.. i'm close to the point where i disable pictures and colors to be able to surf. isdn rocks.
[01:55] <KaiL_> lol
[01:56] <KaiL_> It Still Does Nothing (don't ask me, where I found that)
[01:56] <karthik085> Riddell: Qt 3.3 above, few libraries that had dependencies problem such as libfontconfig1-dev, libpng1.0.12, etc during ./configure. During make, some x11 libraries
[01:57] <Riddell> \sh: shtoom qt wasn't working last I tried (which was ages ago)
[01:57] <uniq> that's just for building it.. probably not much for running.
[01:58] <KaiL_> time for a reboot now - let's hope, that brings hal back to work
[01:58] <Riddell> karthik085: did you get it working?  could you make phone calls and stuff?
[01:58] <\sh> Riddell: yeah for me too..but it looks like it has to do with nonworking python-qt crap
[01:58] <karthik085> Riddell: qt-mt was needed
[02:03] <karthik085_> Riddell: There were few updates I had to do. That messed my Ubuntu. Sound and eth0 interface was not loaded properly. I think I made some mistake during upgradtion. I will have to try it again
[02:11] <karthik_r085> Riddell: There were few updates I had to do. That messed my Ubuntu. Sound and eth0 interface was not loaded properly. I think I made some mistake during upgradtion. I will have to try it again
[02:12] <karthik_r085> Riddell: Sorry, my router was restarted. So, I was kicked out.
[02:20] <KaiL> hmm, media:/ still dead in breezy?
[02:27] <uniq> gnite.
[02:29] <Mez> actually Ping: Riddell here
[02:29] <KaiL> nice, new openOffice, but why does that free >30MB? ;)
[02:34] <karthik_r085> KaiL: OpenOffice 2.0 in breezy?
[02:35] <KaiL> 1.9.113
[02:35] <Riddell> Mez: not sure, bugzilla permissions have always been a mystery to me
[02:36] <Mez> lol fair enough
[02:36] <KaiL> Riddell: media:/ is still dead in breezy?
[02:36] <Riddell> Mez: are you able to close it?
[02:36] <Mez> er..
[02:36] <Mez> no idea
[02:36] <Mez> i dont see the option too
[02:36] <Riddell> well there's lots of controls at the bottom if you can
[02:37] <Mez>  You tried to change the Status field from NEW to RESOLVED, but only the owner or submitter of the bug, or a sufficiently empowered user, may change that field.
[02:37] <KaiL> which bug #?
[02:37] <Mez> 12099
[02:39] <Mez> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/k3b/
[02:39] <Mez> o-O
[02:39] <Riddell> KaiL: I've just done a fresh upgrade to breezy and not X is broken so I can't test media today but mind and poke me to do so tomorrow
[02:39] <Riddell> s/not/now/
[02:39] <karthik_r085> Riddell: was qt working for you on hoary?
[02:39] <Riddell> karthik_r085: on hoary yes
[02:40] <KaiL> Mez: that bug sould be resolved fixed?
[02:40] <KaiL> Riddell: X is missing /usr/bin/X11/X?
[02:40] <karthik_r085> Riddell: I think I need to reinstall Ubuntu. My updates caused major problems. I will try KCall again and let you know.
[02:40] <Mez> KaiL, yeah it should... but I cant set it like that
[02:41] <Mez>  You tried to change the Status field from NEW to RESOLVED, but only the owner or submitter of the bug, or a sufficiently empowered user, may change that field.
[02:41] <Riddell> karthik_r085: ok, thanks
[02:41] <Mez> grr
[02:41] <Mez> KaiL, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12099
[02:41] <KaiL> Mez: as now? :=)
[02:41] <Mez> karthik - you missed your member thing
[02:41] <Mez> good
[02:41] <Mez> Kail - do you have access to allow me to own k3b bugs/
[02:42] <KaiL> for that I need your email
[02:42] <Mez> martin@sourceguru.net
[02:42] <karthik_r085> Mez: I wanted to fix bugs and develop few packages, before I join MOTU.
[02:42] <Mez> you cnat join MOtu eithout being a ammebr
[02:43] <Mez> KaiL.... will you be able to assign me all future bugs?
[02:43] <KaiL> 7877 too? That's to chris.halls@..
[02:43] <Mez> ywah, mark as resolved..
[02:43] <KaiL> funture bugs not, for that beg ogra (same for own permissions)
[02:44] <Mez> cause like.. would have marked as duplicate
[02:44] <KaiL> dup of the 12099?
[02:44] <Mez> yeah ... basically
[02:44] <KaiL> also done.
[02:45] <KaiL> something else?
[02:46] <Mez> not atm
[02:46] <KaiL> somebody else without a ticked - eh without bugzilla permissions? ;)
[02:48] <Mez> ... ?
[02:48] <Mez> without a ticked - eh ?
[02:48] <Mez> huh
[02:49] <KaiL> old joke from my math teacher
[02:49] <Mez> I maintain k3b now for kubunut
[02:49] <Mez> but... dont get any damn bug reports
[02:49] <Mez> I just resolved most of them as fixed in the latest packages
[02:50] <KaiL> he always asked "somebody else without a ticket?" after he catched the first, who didn't do the homework (which was normally one of the first 3 he asked)
[02:50] <KaiL> "If you have unexpectedly lost editbugs privileges, talk to mdz/ogra/kiko"
[02:51] <KaiL> those 3 should also be able to assign k3b bugs automatically to you
[02:51] <Mez> lol
[02:56] <KaiL> kde-i18n-fy and -lt look "nice"
[02:57] <KaiL> 6 files in the packages - that's not, as it should be
[02:58] <KaiL> Mez: that might also be something for you: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10237
[03:00] <Mez> weird error
[03:00] <KaiL> indeed
[03:01] <Mez> if it's not mounting though... that isn't k3b.
[03:01] <Mez> it's mount 
[03:02] <KaiL> meybe we should send it to mount?
[03:02] <KaiL> maybe..
[03:11] <KaiL> k3b should suggest/recommend k3b-mp3 imho
[03:15] <KaiL> what to do, if a bug is fixed in breezy, but still exists in hoary? is that called "fixed"?
[03:16] <Mez> KaiL, I dont think it should, seeing as really... we dont want to endorse MP3 stff...
[03:16] <Mez> Kail - wait for backports :D
[03:16] <Mez> #:P
[03:17] <KaiL> at least we should find a way to install all that mp3-support in an easy way in breezy, maybe some "kubuntu-mpeg" meta package in universe?
[03:17] <Mez> kubuntu-mp3
[03:17] <Mez> thats a good idea :D pseudo packages are fun
[03:17] <Mez> Riddell what do you think?
[03:18] <Mez> hehe :D KaiL - wanna just make it anyways
[03:18] <KaiL> at least better than an endless list of packages
[03:18] <Mez> cause I cant remember which packages :D
[03:18] <KaiL> akode-mpeg, k3b-mp3 for the first
[03:18] <Mez> KaiL, what about
[03:19] <Mez> kubuntu-media-restricted ;)
[03:19] <Mez> libdvdcss ;)
[03:19] <Mez> etc etc
[03:19] <KaiL> w32codecs
[03:19] <Mez> is w32codecs in the real repositories?
[03:19] <KaiL> but we need one for the files in universe and one for the ones from -extras
[03:19] <KaiL> no, as libdvdcss2
[03:20] <Mez> hmm
[03:20] <Mez> those'd come from extras then
[03:20] <Mez> from backports ;)
[03:20] <Mez> I can always do a backports pseuod-package :D
[03:21] <KaiL> kubuntu-media-restricted goes to backports and depends on kubuntu-mp3 (universe), libdvdcss2 and w32codecs.
[03:22] <KaiL> kubuntu-mp3 goes to universe and depends on akode-mpeg and k3b-mp3 (and maybe others)
[03:27] <KaiL> Riddell: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11346 ?
[07:27] <froud> African Greetings
[07:29] <KaiL> before you open too many apps, could you check, if this still exists? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12031 :)
[07:29] <KaiL> eh, sorry, this: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10175
[07:32] <KaiL> Riddell: some easy (?) file-moving-fun: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8136
[08:00] <KaiL> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11845 another easy fix
[08:07] <KaiL> \sh_away: what about this https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11076 ? fixed?
[08:14] <KaiL> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8596 next easy one
[10:31] <\sh> argk
[10:31] <\sh> shitty xorg stuff
[10:31] <Mez> E: gaim-assistant: changelog-file-not-compressed CHANGELOG
[10:31] <Mez> can anyone explain that to em
[10:34] <\sh> man dh_installchangelog ;)
[10:35] <Mez> No manual entry for dh_installchangelog
[10:35] <Mez> :P
[10:38] <\sh> Riddell: ping 
[11:25] <Riddell> \sh: hi
[11:29] <\sh> Riddell: do we miss the libxi-dev somewhere? 
[11:30] <Riddell> \sh: it's been recently separated out
[11:31] <\sh> yeah..so we have to put it into build-deps right?
[11:32] <Riddell> yes
[11:32] <Riddell> if a package needs it
[11:34] <\sh> k
[12:26] <froud> *cough* mart, Mez anyone able to upgrade a hoary kubuntu to breezy yet?
[12:26] <Riddell> froud: the daily CD is indeed broken
[12:27] <froud> Riddell: :-(
[12:27] <Riddell> froud: I upgraded hoary to breezy but had to --formve-overwrite on a package and fix the fonts line in xorg.conf
[12:28] <froud> Riddell: when do you think I can get an ISO that will at least install and do the setup of xorg
[12:28] <froud> eager to work but no tools
[12:29] <froud> and kde-systemsettings will only keep me busy for a short while
[12:29] <Riddell> froud: well upgrading from hoary works with some hackrey
[12:29] <Riddell> hackery
[12:29] <froud> Riddell: I am in co.za, we have cap limits on our international downloads
[12:30] <froud> Riddell: can you email me instructions for the hackery
[12:30] <froud> I can then document them and put them up for others
[12:30] <Riddell> froud: isn't there a .za ubuntu mirror?
[12:31] <froud> yes but IS throttles the download per connection to 14KBit/s
[12:31] <Riddell> froud: when it says "can't install package because it includes file foo that already exists in another package" you can sudo dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/foo.deb
[12:32] <froud> k
[12:32] <Riddell> then if X complains about broken fonts edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change /usr/share/X11/foo to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/foo in the fonts section
[12:33] <froud> k
[12:33] <froud> will try it again later, now must work :-(
[12:34] <Riddell> froud: thanks for your patience
[12:35] <froud> np shit 'appens. Just want to get up and running and be able to get books for release:-)
[12:35] <froud> lost patience yesterday. went to see Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Boy Angela Jolie is hot :-)
[12:36] <froud> feel much better
[12:43] <Riddell> KaiL: media:/ and HAL support works for me in breezy
[03:12] <KaiL> Riddell: without patching anything?
[03:13] <Riddell> KaiL: yes
[03:13] <KaiL> that's strange
[03:16] <Riddell> KaiL: what's your problem?
[03:17] <KaiL> I don't even get Icons for USB-Sticks in media:/ :/
[03:19] <Riddell> KaiL: does gnome-volume-manager work?
[03:19] <KaiL> let's see, if I can use that somehow from kde
[03:20] <KaiL> btw. hal-device-manager sees the changes
[03:22] <KaiL> hmm, that tool tries to mount sda, not sda1 - lol?
[03:24] <Riddell> gnome-volume-manager?
[03:25] <KaiL> yes
[03:25] <KaiL> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scsi/host6/bus0/target0/lun0/disc,
[03:26] <KaiL> hmm
[03:28] <KaiL> hal doesn't see partitions at all?!?
[03:28] <KaiL> manager.c/1423: New Device: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_5dc_300_302AC2091004521_if0_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun0
[03:28] <KaiL> manager.c/1423: New Device: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_GEYSER_JUMPDRIVE
[03:29] <KaiL> shouldn't there be a line about part1?
[03:32] <KaiL> [4342173.309000]   /dev/scsi/host7/bus0/target0/lun0: p1
[03:32] <KaiL> dmesg isn't that blind
[03:34] <Riddell> sounds like a broken HAL.  it's stopped picking up my internal CD-ROM drive (external one picked up fine)
[03:34] <KaiL> rotfl
[03:35] <KaiL> guess, what happenes, if I insert a disk into the internal cdrom? :)
[03:36] <KaiL> it get's automounted!
[03:37] <KaiL> so I don't know, how you broke your hal, but to mine it has EXACTLY the opposite result...
[03:38] <KaiL> hunger: how about you? a third result?
[03:39] <hunger> KaiL: My internal cd gets mounted.
[03:39] <hunger> KaiL: It is a laptop and the device is hotplugable, so it might count as an external drive though.
[03:40] <KaiL> is it hd** or sd**?
[03:40] <hunger> KaiL: sc*
[03:40] <hunger> KaiL: The icon even vanishes on eject now!
[03:41] <KaiL> what about USB-Sticks?
[03:41] <KaiL> and WTF is going on here?
[03:42] <hunger> KaiL: usb stick works for me (TM)
[03:42] <KaiL> grr
[03:59] <Riddell> KaiL: kl@3dots.de is you?
[03:59] <KaiL> yes
[03:59] <Riddell> ah hah :)
[04:55] <froud> Riddell: on that upgrade, did you say do an upgrade or a dist-upgrade?
[04:56] <Riddell> I just did an upgrade
[04:56] <froud> OK
[04:56] <froud> here goes
[04:56] <Riddell> good luck
[05:40] <hunger> I set a keyboard shortcut for some programm... how do I remove it again once it is no longer listed in kmenuedit?
[05:40] <hunger> The shortcut is still bound...
[07:18] <Riddell> anyone going to stop me removing juk from the seed?
[07:19] <hunger> Nope...
[07:19] <hunger> I never used it anyway;-)
[07:19] <Riddell> hunger: what do you use?
[07:19] <hunger> Riddell: I do not listen to music.
[07:20] <mart> er Riddell ....
[07:20] <mart> what's going to replace it? not amarok?
[07:20] <Riddell> mart: amarok was the idea
[07:20] <mart> it doesn't crash for you?
[07:21] <Riddell> nope, not using the gstreamer engine
[07:21] <mart> oh, it crashes for me with all engines after a couple of tracks
[07:21] <mart> or just hangs
[07:22] <Riddell> mart: get a backtrace?
[07:22] <mart> it used to send them every now and again when I built from source
[07:22] <mart> it had this "copy the backtrace into an email " thing
[07:23] <mart> but it didn't always make at bt - sometimes it just crashed completely, no dr konqi
[07:23] <mart> and they were from all over the code base too
[07:24] <mart> Riddell: you don't run artsd at all?
[07:24] <mart> or rather...
[07:24] <Riddell> mart: still needs artsd for KDE sounds unfortunatly
[07:25] <hunger> Riddell: Let's all hope for kdemm:-)
[07:25] <mart> what does Control Centre->Sound System->Hardware->audio device say?
[07:25] <Riddell> mart: autodetect
[07:26] <mart> hmm
[07:26] <Riddell> why?
[07:27] <mart> just wondered what else could cause it to be so unreliable
[07:28] <mart> Riddell: what does configure amarok->engine->output plugin say for you?
[07:28] <Riddell> osssink
[07:29] <mart> this relies on oss emulation in the kernel I guess?
[07:29] <mart> ah, just hung with that
[07:31] <mart> oh well, if it's just me, then...
[08:01] <uniq> amarok is stable as long as i don't try to stream radio or something like that.. then it dies.
[08:02] <uniq> dies in the "I need all available CPU-time + some more"-fashion.
[08:02] <mart> ok, I just want to play some mp3s...
[08:05] <uniq> hmm.. is breezy useable by now? 
[08:05] <hunger> uniq: Sometimes;-)
[08:05] <uniq> what about right now? :)
[08:05] <mart> uniq: once you get past the upgrade it seems fine
[08:05] <hunger> uniq: if you fix X yourself it works ok at the moment.
[08:05] <uniq> X, like the fontpaths?
[08:06] <mart> X in breezy kills my vt's too
[08:06] <hunger> uniq: The path to Xorg itself at the moment.
[08:06] <mart> don't know what that's about
[08:06] <uniq> ok, i'll go for a upgrade then.
[08:06] <hunger> uniq: It is manageable... but not really fun.
[08:07] <mart> oh, I think you have to force some packages too, with --force-overwrites
[08:07] <uniq> that's no problem.
[08:07] <hunger> mart: Don't remember having done that...
[08:08] <hunger> mart: But then I am on breezy since it came out.
[08:09] <uniq> i had a computer on breezy too. but i replaced it when breezy was totaly broken.
[08:09] <uniq> breezy here i come.
[08:33] <pef> hello
[08:34] <uniq> hi pef.
[08:34] <pef> does an ubuntu package needs a desktop file for kde and gnome ?
[08:35] <uniq> yes, it's a good idea to include one. but i don't think it's needed as in policy needed.
[08:35] <uniq> you're packaging datakiosk? 
[08:36] <pef> yes, and it's a comment I had
[08:36] <pef> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=57
[08:36] <uniq> don't know if a application like that needs a .desktop file.
[08:38] <uniq> I wouldn't focus too much on the .desktop file.
[08:39] <uniq> It might be a good idea to include. but it's not like everyone should run this program anyway. it's a admin tool.
[08:39] <pef> uniq, no ;)
[08:39] <Riddell> it does include a .desktop file, maybe it doesn't work in gnome for some reason
[08:39] <pef> it's not a database manager
[08:42] <uniq> is it advisable to ship it with a .desktop at all? - i would consider this a 'doesn't need to appear in the menu'-type application. much like /sbin stuff on the commandline.
[08:43] <Riddell> uniq: it's not /sbin, it's a graphical user program
[08:43] <uniq> it's not a admintool? 
[08:43] <Riddell> no
[08:44] <uniq> ah.. then i'm just stupid.
[08:44] <uniq> i was thinking in the lines of kiosktool.
[08:46] <uniq> then i take back everything i said and say: yes, you need a .desktop file :)
[08:47] <Riddell> which it already has
[08:47] <pef> for gnome _and_ kde so ?
[08:47] <Riddell> pef: no, one .desktop file should work for all
[08:48] <pef> Riddell, I have put it in /usr/share/applications/kde/, is it right ?
[08:48] <pef> (I've found that in another package)
[08:49] <pef> bb
[08:57] <pef> so :)
[08:57] <pef> my desktop file is ok ?
[08:58] <Riddell> pef: works in KDE great, just checking gnome now
[08:58] <Riddell> 5mins to download gnome
[08:59] <Riddell> pef: did you make any changes to the upstream?  wondering about the patch comments
[09:00] <pef> Riddell, not yet, I'm currently correct all the defaults before uploading
[09:02] <Riddell> pef: what was corrected?
[09:04] <pef> Riddell, nothing, it's in my notebook now
[09:04] <pef> I just have the desktop file problem
[09:05] <Riddell> pef: it's just a comment says "please put patches in debian/patches" but I don't see any
[09:06] <pef> Riddell, yes, I don't have made any patch, don't know does he found that 
[09:06] <pef> maybe inverted a comment with another package
[09:09] <uniq> there are a lot of changes in the .diff 
[09:10] <Riddell> mostly evil autotools stuff, which is hard to avoid
[09:10] <pef> uniq, I haven't made any changes to the source :|
[09:10] <uniq> can't you make the source before running the auto-stuff? 
[09:11] <pef> I think no
[09:12] <uniq> I can't see any non-auto-stuff changes either.
[09:13] <pef> I just ran dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, am I wrong ?
[09:13] <uniq> try debuild -S -us -uc
[09:13] <Riddell> pef: you're not wrong at all (although debuild has some extra checks before running dpkg-buildpackage)
[09:13] <uniq> does dpkg-buildpackage run clean first? 
[09:14] <Riddell> uniq: yes
[09:14] <uniq> ok.
[09:14] <Riddell> uniq: but it doesn't always clean up everything, autotools is like that
[09:17] <uniq> you -can- clean it up manually.
[09:17] <uniq> just to make the diff cleaner :)
[09:17] <uniq> 3616    datakiosk_0.7-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[09:17] <uniq> :)
[09:18] <Riddell> pef: .desktop file works fine for gnome
[09:18] <pef> Riddell, so why the comment ?
[09:18] <pef> (not you)
[09:19] <Riddell> he must be mad
[09:22] <uniq> there are no patches to use dpatch for.. the manpage doesn't need it's own patch.
[09:22] <pef> the comment says "remove config.sub and config.guess from diff", must it be done manually after dpkg-buildpackage ? it is not very clean no ?
[09:23] <uniq> you can add it to clean:: in debian/rules
[09:23] <uniq> rm -f config.sub config.guess
[09:27] <Riddell> pef: are you going to make the other changes requested?
[09:29] <pef> Riddell, the really needed (not patch ?) of course ;)
[09:29] <pef> Now i clean rules
[09:30] <Riddell> pef: copyright year and mention manpage in changelog
[09:31] <pef> Riddell, year is ok, the mention I added is "*added manpage"
[09:31] <Riddell> good enough for me :)
[09:32] <pef> Riddell, so I upload
[09:32] <Riddell> pef: where to?
[09:34] <pef> Riddell, I will mention when it's ok
[09:37] <tvo> Riddell: already looked at kio_locate? ;-)
[09:39] <Riddell> tvo: what's the URL again?
[09:39] <tvo> http://home.casema.nl/vollebregt/soc/kio-locate-alpha-050705.tar.gz
[09:39] <tvo> need scons to install
[09:40] <tvo> "scons configure && scons && sudo scons install" should do
[09:40] <pef> (scons rocks)
[09:42] <tvo> Riddell: I was wondering, how many things should be configurable, and how?
[09:42] <tvo> currently it's via typing locater:config in konqueror
[09:43] <tvo> though I haven't modified the config dlg, none of the options of the first tab have any effect
[09:43] <Riddell> tvo: I think we should have metabar have a button launching locater:config
[09:44] <pef> mm I always have config.(guess|sub) in my diff
[09:44] <Riddell> pef: even if clean removes them?
[09:44] <tvo> yeah that would do, could also add a hyperlink to about:konqueror
[09:45] <uniq> pef: did you check with 'fakeroot debian/rules clean'  that clean actually remove the files? 
[09:48] <pef> uniq, you were right
[09:51] <pef> I think I must delete libtool, config.h, config.log, config.status, Makefile and stamp-h1 from the diff ?
[09:51] <tvo> Riddell: btw, which has higher "priority", kfind or inotify locate?
[09:51] <tvo> inotify locate seems cooler
[09:52] <Riddell> whichever you think the most useful
[09:52] <Riddell> inotify locate would be cool it's true
[09:55] <pef> Riddell, should I remove all the stuff in diff which is like Makefile.diff and config.* ?
[09:55] <Riddell> pef: yeah I guess so
[09:56] <tvo> Riddell: and some question about baz: what is preferable, one summer-of-code archive with kio-locate and inotifylocate/kfind projects, or different archive with only a single project for each?
[09:56] <pef> Riddell, If I have Makefile.diff in subdirectory, how can I delete them cleanly ? using rm in clean:: ?
[09:56] <pef> in multiple subdirectories
[09:57] <uniq> pef: the easiest way to make a clean diff is to move the source directory out of the way, (don't delete it). unpack the orig.tar.gz, copy the debian/ dir from the source directory with everything included. now make the package from the new directory.
[09:57] <Riddell> pef: find . -name Makefile.diff | xargs rm -f
[09:57] <uniq> poor explanation.. 
[09:57] <Riddell> tvo: ideally everything goes in the origional archives, so kio-locate archive for that etc
[09:58] <Riddell> tvo: but if you can't do that just put it in a baz archive (assuming you've worked out baz)
[09:59] <tvo> Riddell: I've worked through a quite large tutorial today (took me almost entire day....)
[10:00] <Riddell> tvo: where is that?
[10:00] <tvo> Riddell: http://regexps.srparish.net/tutorial-tla/arch.html
[10:00] <tvo> it's tla but it's almost the same I noticed
[10:01] <Riddell> baz is a fork of arch which is ment to be easier to use
[10:01] <Riddell> (and is sponsored by canonical)
[10:01] <tvo> yeah, I asked about that earlier today on #ubuntu-devel
[10:02] <tvo> there was only one difference in first half of this tutorial
[10:02] <tvo> lemme check
[10:04] <tvo> tla archive-setup if I recall correctly wasn't needed in baz
[10:04] <pef> uniq, nice and clean method :)
[10:09] <tvo> Riddell: any specific version numbering scheme I should follow?
[10:11] <Riddell> tvo: for which?
[10:12] <tvo> Riddell: currently kio_locate, but later also inotifylocate/kfind
[10:12] <pef> Riddell, http://dl.erodia.net/ubuntu/datakiosk/ I think it's ok
[10:12] <Riddell> tvo: what's the current kio-locate version?
[10:13] <uniq> 0.4.2 isn't it? 
[10:13] <tvo> yes that's right
[10:15] <Riddell> I would call it 0.4.2tvo0.1 or something
[10:18] <uniq> any idea how i can change the favicon for apt:/ ? i tried to add Icon= in the .desktop files but it didn't change anything. 
[10:18] <Riddell> uniq: where is it set at the moment?
[10:18] <uniq> riddell: can't find it anywhere. that's why i'm asking.
[10:19] <uniq> if i make Icon=something, like in regular .desktop files it doesn't change anything,.
[10:19] <uniq> looks like the antenna favicon is something default.. 
[10:21] <uniq> and it changes to a regular "html-favicon" when something is added to the URI. like apt:/search?bash
[10:21] <pef> http://dl.erodia.net/ubuntu/datakiosk/ I've corrected what the comments mentionned
[10:25] <allee> pef: hi
[10:26] <allee> pef: looks like the manpage is almost umodified kdemangen.pl output.
[10:26] <pef> allee, yes, there is no others command lines options
[10:27] <allee> pef: debian removed almost all skeleton manpages because users kept complaining
[10:27] <pef> allee, but a package needs a manpage no ?
[10:27] <pef> (lintian complains if not)
[10:28] <allee> pef: yes.  without manpage one can submit a but.  But users expect that man <app> gives more info than <app> --help-all
[10:28] <allee> s/but/bug/
[10:29] <allee> IMHO better a bug than a disapointing manpage (manpages have a bad enough reputation already)
[10:30] <pef> ok, so I remove the currently manpage ?
[10:31] <pef> I only do that to be compliant, since this apps hasn't command line parameters, I don't know what I can add
[10:31] <allee> pef: Of course it's better to add some extra info than removing, but if you don't have time, I suggest it's removal
[10:32] <allee> pef: Some extra docs what it is (copy long description) how it works.  Enviroment vars used, standard location of files, references to other useful manpages docs, ...
[10:34] <pef> allee, I can add it later, into next package revision ?
[10:36] <allee> pef: I would say yes.  Release it when ready.  Just don't forget about it ;)
[10:37] <pef> allee, for sure ;)
[10:37] <pef> allee, and the rest of the package is ok ?
[10:38] <allee> pef: I only wondered that it links against all libqt*sql pkgs.  Aren't they loaded on demand (I only had a look at the diff not the code)
[10:40] <pef> allee, If you want to access to an sqlite database, you must have libqt-mt-sqlite, for mysql libqt-mt-mysql, etc
[10:40] <pef> should I put them in recommends ?
[10:40] <pef> I afraid that personns don't read this fields, and complains about buggy apps
[10:41] <pef> I'm
[10:42] <allee> pef: An I can hear complains I only need *sql my I'm forced to have xsql ysql too? ;)
[10:42] <pef> allee, erf :)
[10:42] <pef> so recommends is a good idea, no ?
[10:42] <allee> pef: seriously your on the save side
[10:43] <pef> at the beginning I had this problem, don't know why I can't open any database
[10:43] <allee> pef: I'm only brainstorming:  Depend: sqlite | xsql | ysql  and Recommend all xyz sqls
[10:44] <allee> pef: would make sure that at least one is installed and you can remove all but one.  aptitude/synaptics still installs all by default
[10:55] <allee> pef: hmm, I give revu a try ..
[11:09] <pef> :/
[11:09] <allee> pef: so one more here: control misses final newline ;)
[11:13] <allee> pef: grep -h -r -i copyright  src | sort | uniq
[11:28] <allee> pef: you upload a .tar.gz not an .orig.tar.gz
[11:29] <pef> allee, http://dl.erodia.net/ubuntu/datakiosk/ newline corrected
[11:29] <allee> pef: dpkg-source -x *.dsc complains :(
[11:31] <allee> pef: ah, fixed thanks
[11:34] <pef> I've just made a new upload
[11:35] <allee> pef: yes and I jumped in in the middle of the upload.  After a reload of the dir I found the orig.tar.  Sorry
[11:37] <pef> no problem
[11:38] <pef> I hope it's ok now ;)
[11:39] <allee> pef: build and install her ;)
[11:39] <allee> tvo: hope you manage to like arch/baz.  I failed ;)
[11:40] <tvo> allee: I think I like it better than CVS already
[11:40] <tvo> but I never bothered to read the manual thorougly
[11:43] <allee> pef complain upstream.  Having handbook menuitem but no doc is careless
[11:45] <pef> allee,  dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends}
[11:45] <pef>  should I remove the variable from the rules file ?
[11:46] <allee> I keep it. One never knows when dh_ tools add to it
[11:47] <allee> pef: libqt*sql use 1.3MB. So I keep you depend and forget my brainstorming suggestion
[11:48] <pef> allee, setting them all as Depends ?
[11:49] <allee> pef: yes.  1.3 is not that much.  and if people start complaining.  think about it again if you like
[11:51] <Riddell> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/qt4/  qt4 packages
[11:55] <uniq> nice.
[11:58] <Riddell> pef: no .orig at http://dl.erodia.net/ubuntu/datakiosk/
[11:58] <uniq> riddell: do you want the kio-apt without the nice kubuntu favicon before the freeze? 
[11:59] <Riddell> uniq: when is freeze?
[11:59] <uniq> very soon.. a few hours or 24+a few hours.
[11:59] <uniq> tomorrow is said.
[12:00] <uniq> i don't have X right now.. so i can't check the mailinglists.
[12:00] <uniq> universe won't freeze though.. 
[12:01] <uniq> but kio-apt is one of those nice-to-have-in-main things.. imho.
[12:01] <allee> Riddell: reload? I see the orig
[12:01] <Riddell> allee: yes it's there now, spooky