=== karthik085 [~karthik08@12-208-111-104.client.insightBB.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:25] <\sh> JRE? [12:26] <\sh> jre: #ubuntu-meeting asap [12:27] no need, he was approved after all :) [12:29] <\sh> yes yes :) [12:29] hey, i'm not in the members list in launchpad.. [12:33] Riddell, you do that dot.kde.org article yet === karthik085 [~chatzilla@12-208-111-104.client.insightBB.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:00] Mez: yes it's up [01:00] ah [01:00] no mention of me :( [01:02] Mez: you arn't Martin Meredith? [01:03] link? [01:03] people in real life call me Mez [01:04] which is why was confused [01:04] http://dot.kde.org/1120585462/ [01:11] the daily build is quite broken [01:20] of? [01:21] kubuntu install CD [01:24] where can those be downloaded? [01:25] cdimage.ubuntu.com [01:25] they've just been made in the last few days [01:25] uniq: download them, they you can rsync in future for quick updates [01:26] ok. thanks. [01:27] the rsync trick is nice. [01:32] however, i'm on a 64k ISDN dialup line at the moment. :| [01:32] uniq: that's why you want to download overnight and rsync as required [01:32] i'll download at the office tomorrow. [01:33] this connection is just for late ngiht irc and mail. [01:44] Mez, uniq: should we offer seth_k ops on #kubuntu? [01:44] yes [01:45] sure, my grep -c on my kubuntu.log says 876 lines. more than most others. [01:46] what does this want to tell me? [01:46] run-parts: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/20hal exited with return code 2 [01:46] (sometimes also returns 1) [01:47] a _present_ op on #kubuntu would be great, for example for the warez kiddie last night [01:47] riddell: we should also make some guidelines for the channel. i've noticed my view is a little more 'on topic' than others. [01:47] Kail when was that? [01:47] I was there [01:47] seth_k: want ops? [01:47] godsmoke told him off [01:48] Riddell, I'd be honored :) [01:48] Seth was I online? [01:48] not sure, Mez [01:48] ah - well if I was you shoulda poked me :d [01:49] btw - Riddell - I put kde-systemsettings in backports-extras [01:49] mmm systemsettings === seth_k yoinks it [01:49] It's on breezy normal :d [01:49] and when i aske dyou earlier you said you preferred kcontrol :D [01:50] nobody can prefer kcontrol surly [01:50] no, I said I used kcontrol [01:50] 00:49 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [seth_k] has been added to the access list for #kubuntu with level [20] [01:51] thanks Riddell [01:51] wow, that starts fast [01:51] use it wisely [01:51] indeed [01:51] $temperature['kubuntu'] --; [01:51] Riddell: I tested KCall on Hoary. It aksed me tons of packages to install, which i did. There were lot of dependencies problem, I had to resolve, in order to get it running. When running KCall, I am getting lot of warnings and errors too. Overall, I think it is a good package. It got contacts from the addressbook. But, its still in its early stages of development and deployment. It is not... [01:51] ...stable. I get warnings and errors when running it. Server connection errors is highly likely to occur. Looks can be improved. Also, it lacks documentation. So, what do you think? [01:51] what on earth is KCall? [01:52] internet phone stuff [01:52] KaiL_: telephony application of Kontact [01:52] ah [01:52] I have to run to work, but I'll be back. Thanks all [01:52] enjoy work. [01:52] indeed I do [01:52] karthik085: what needed to be installed? [01:52] i'm on my way to bed. almost 0200 here. [01:52] night uniq [01:53] <\sh> hmmm..what about shtoom as backend to VOIP stuff? [01:55] systemsettings looks realy good! [01:55] +l [01:55] gah.. i'm close to the point where i disable pictures and colors to be able to surf. isdn rocks. [01:55] lol [01:56] It Still Does Nothing (don't ask me, where I found that) [01:56] Riddell: Qt 3.3 above, few libraries that had dependencies problem such as libfontconfig1-dev, libpng1.0.12, etc during ./configure. During make, some x11 libraries [01:57] \sh: shtoom qt wasn't working last I tried (which was ages ago) [01:57] that's just for building it.. probably not much for running. [01:58] time for a reboot now - let's hope, that brings hal back to work [01:58] karthik085: did you get it working? could you make phone calls and stuff? [01:58] <\sh> Riddell: yeah for me too..but it looks like it has to do with nonworking python-qt crap [01:58] Riddell: qt-mt was needed === karthik085_ [~chatzilla@12-208-111-104.client.insightBB.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:03] Riddell: There were few updates I had to do. That messed my Ubuntu. Sound and eth0 interface was not loaded properly. I think I made some mistake during upgradtion. I will have to try it again === \sh is now known as \sh_away === karthik_r085 [~chatzilla@12-208-111-104.client.insightBB.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:11] Riddell: There were few updates I had to do. That messed my Ubuntu. Sound and eth0 interface was not loaded properly. I think I made some mistake during upgradtion. I will have to try it again [02:12] Riddell: Sorry, my router was restarted. So, I was kicked out. === KaiL [KaiL@p548F6FFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KaiL [KaiL@p548F63C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:20] hmm, media:/ still dead in breezy? [02:27] gnite. [02:29] actually Ping: Riddell here [02:29] nice, new openOffice, but why does that free >30MB? ;) [02:34] KaiL: OpenOffice 2.0 in breezy? [02:35] 1.9.113 [02:35] Mez: not sure, bugzilla permissions have always been a mystery to me [02:36] lol fair enough [02:36] Riddell: media:/ is still dead in breezy? [02:36] Mez: are you able to close it? [02:36] er.. [02:36] no idea [02:36] i dont see the option too [02:36] well there's lots of controls at the bottom if you can [02:37] You tried to change the Status field from NEW to RESOLVED, but only the owner or submitter of the bug, or a sufficiently empowered user, may change that field. [02:37] which bug #? [02:37] 12099 [02:39] http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/k3b/ [02:39] o-O [02:39] KaiL: I've just done a fresh upgrade to breezy and not X is broken so I can't test media today but mind and poke me to do so tomorrow [02:39] s/not/now/ [02:39] Riddell: was qt working for you on hoary? [02:39] karthik_r085: on hoary yes [02:40] Mez: that bug sould be resolved fixed? [02:40] Riddell: X is missing /usr/bin/X11/X? [02:40] Riddell: I think I need to reinstall Ubuntu. My updates caused major problems. I will try KCall again and let you know. [02:40] KaiL, yeah it should... but I cant set it like that [02:41] You tried to change the Status field from NEW to RESOLVED, but only the owner or submitter of the bug, or a sufficiently empowered user, may change that field. [02:41] karthik_r085: ok, thanks [02:41] grr [02:41] KaiL, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12099 [02:41] Mez: as now? :=) [02:41] karthik - you missed your member thing [02:41] good [02:41] Kail - do you have access to allow me to own k3b bugs/ [02:42] for that I need your email [02:42] martin@sourceguru.net [02:42] Mez: I wanted to fix bugs and develop few packages, before I join MOTU. [02:42] you cnat join MOtu eithout being a ammebr [02:43] KaiL.... will you be able to assign me all future bugs? [02:43] 7877 too? That's to chris.halls@.. [02:43] ywah, mark as resolved.. [02:43] funture bugs not, for that beg ogra (same for own permissions) [02:44] cause like.. would have marked as duplicate [02:44] dup of the 12099? [02:44] yeah ... basically [02:44] also done. [02:45] something else? [02:46] not atm [02:46] somebody else without a ticked - eh without bugzilla permissions? ;) [02:48] ... ? [02:48] without a ticked - eh ? [02:48] huh [02:49] old joke from my math teacher === Mez confused [02:49] I maintain k3b now for kubunut [02:49] but... dont get any damn bug reports [02:49] I just resolved most of them as fixed in the latest packages [02:50] he always asked "somebody else without a ticket?" after he catched the first, who didn't do the homework (which was normally one of the first 3 he asked) [02:50] "If you have unexpectedly lost editbugs privileges, talk to mdz/ogra/kiko" [02:51] those 3 should also be able to assign k3b bugs automatically to you [02:51] lol [02:56] kde-i18n-fy and -lt look "nice" [02:57] 6 files in the packages - that's not, as it should be [02:58] Mez: that might also be something for you: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10237 [03:00] weird error [03:00] indeed [03:01] if it's not mounting though... that isn't k3b. [03:01] it's mount [03:02] meybe we should send it to mount? [03:02] maybe.. === Mez has editbugs :D [03:11] k3b should suggest/recommend k3b-mp3 imho [03:15] what to do, if a bug is fixed in breezy, but still exists in hoary? is that called "fixed"? [03:16] KaiL, I dont think it should, seeing as really... we dont want to endorse MP3 stff... [03:16] Kail - wait for backports :D [03:16] #:P [03:17] at least we should find a way to install all that mp3-support in an easy way in breezy, maybe some "kubuntu-mpeg" meta package in universe? [03:17] kubuntu-mp3 [03:17] thats a good idea :D pseudo packages are fun [03:17] Riddell what do you think? [03:18] hehe :D KaiL - wanna just make it anyways [03:18] at least better than an endless list of packages [03:18] cause I cant remember which packages :D [03:18] akode-mpeg, k3b-mp3 for the first [03:18] KaiL, what about [03:19] kubuntu-media-restricted ;) [03:19] libdvdcss ;) [03:19] etc etc [03:19] w32codecs [03:19] is w32codecs in the real repositories? [03:19] but we need one for the files in universe and one for the ones from -extras [03:19] no, as libdvdcss2 [03:20] hmm [03:20] those'd come from extras then [03:20] from backports ;) [03:20] I can always do a backports pseuod-package :D [03:21] kubuntu-media-restricted goes to backports and depends on kubuntu-mp3 (universe), libdvdcss2 and w32codecs. [03:22] kubuntu-mp3 goes to universe and depends on akode-mpeg and k3b-mp3 (and maybe others) [03:27] Riddell: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11346 ? === seth_k is away: sleepytime === froud [~sean@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:27] African Greetings [07:29] before you open too many apps, could you check, if this still exists? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12031 :) [07:29] eh, sorry, this: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10175 [07:32] Riddell: some easy (?) file-moving-fun: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8136 [08:00] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11845 another easy fix [08:07] \sh_away: what about this https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11076 ? fixed? [08:14] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8596 next easy one === \sh_away is now known as \sh === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === zoop2 [~mika@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [~hunger@p54A67AA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [~mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === froud [~sean@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === markc [~admin@220.245.107.188] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mart [~mart@socksgw2.ncl.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [~tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [~tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === tvo [~tvo@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === je4d [~jeff@demantoid.trinhall.cam.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:31] <\sh> argk [10:31] <\sh> shitty xorg stuff [10:31] E: gaim-assistant: changelog-file-not-compressed CHANGELOG [10:31] can anyone explain that to em [10:34] <\sh> man dh_installchangelog ;) [10:35] No manual entry for dh_installchangelog [10:35] :P === allee [~ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:38] <\sh> Riddell: ping === muszilla [~muszilla@p213.54.70.106.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === muszilla [~muszilla@p213.54.70.106.tisdip.tiscali.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [11:25] \sh: hi [11:29] <\sh> Riddell: do we miss the libxi-dev somewhere? [11:30] \sh: it's been recently separated out [11:31] <\sh> yeah..so we have to put it into build-deps right? [11:32] yes [11:32] if a package needs it [11:34] <\sh> k === froud [~froud@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:26] *cough* mart, Mez anyone able to upgrade a hoary kubuntu to breezy yet? [12:26] froud: the daily CD is indeed broken [12:27] Riddell: :-( [12:27] froud: I upgraded hoary to breezy but had to --formve-overwrite on a package and fix the fonts line in xorg.conf [12:28] Riddell: when do you think I can get an ISO that will at least install and do the setup of xorg [12:28] eager to work but no tools [12:29] and kde-systemsettings will only keep me busy for a short while [12:29] froud: well upgrading from hoary works with some hackrey [12:29] hackery [12:29] Riddell: I am in co.za, we have cap limits on our international downloads [12:30] Riddell: can you email me instructions for the hackery [12:30] I can then document them and put them up for others [12:30] froud: isn't there a .za ubuntu mirror? [12:31] yes but IS throttles the download per connection to 14KBit/s [12:31] froud: when it says "can't install package because it includes file foo that already exists in another package" you can sudo dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/foo.deb [12:32] k [12:32] then if X complains about broken fonts edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change /usr/share/X11/foo to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/foo in the fonts section [12:33] k [12:33] will try it again later, now must work :-( [12:34] froud: thanks for your patience [12:35] np shit 'appens. Just want to get up and running and be able to get books for release:-) [12:35] lost patience yesterday. went to see Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Boy Angela Jolie is hot :-) [12:36] feel much better [12:43] KaiL: media:/ and HAL support works for me in breezy === froud is now known as froud-work === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === froud [~froud@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KabelKasper [~vloechte@i5387D7F5.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo teaches himself arch/baz [03:12] Riddell: without patching anything? [03:13] KaiL: yes [03:13] that's strange [03:16] KaiL: what's your problem? [03:17] I don't even get Icons for USB-Sticks in media:/ :/ [03:19] KaiL: does gnome-volume-manager work? [03:19] let's see, if I can use that somehow from kde [03:20] btw. hal-device-manager sees the changes [03:22] hmm, that tool tries to mount sda, not sda1 - lol? [03:24] gnome-volume-manager? [03:25] yes [03:25] mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scsi/host6/bus0/target0/lun0/disc, [03:26] hmm [03:28] hal doesn't see partitions at all?!? [03:28] manager.c/1423: New Device: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_5dc_300_302AC2091004521_if0_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun0 [03:28] manager.c/1423: New Device: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_GEYSER_JUMPDRIVE [03:29] shouldn't there be a line about part1? [03:32] [4342173.309000] /dev/scsi/host7/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 [03:32] dmesg isn't that blind [03:34] sounds like a broken HAL. it's stopped picking up my internal CD-ROM drive (external one picked up fine) [03:34] rotfl [03:35] guess, what happenes, if I insert a disk into the internal cdrom? :) [03:36] it get's automounted! [03:37] so I don't know, how you broke your hal, but to mine it has EXACTLY the opposite result... [03:38] hunger: how about you? a third result? [03:39] KaiL: My internal cd gets mounted. [03:39] KaiL: It is a laptop and the device is hotplugable, so it might count as an external drive though. [03:40] is it hd** or sd**? [03:40] KaiL: sc* [03:40] KaiL: The icon even vanishes on eject now! [03:41] what about USB-Sticks? [03:41] and WTF is going on here? [03:42] KaiL: usb stick works for me (TM) [03:42] grr [03:59] KaiL: kl@3dots.de is you? [03:59] yes [03:59] ah hah :) === \sh is now known as \sh_away [04:55] Riddell: on that upgrade, did you say do an upgrade or a dist-upgrade? [04:56] I just did an upgrade [04:56] OK [04:56] here goes [04:56] good luck === je4d [~jeff@demantoid.trinhall.cam.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:40] I set a keyboard shortcut for some programm... how do I remove it again once it is no longer listed in kmenuedit? [05:40] The shortcut is still bound... === _seth [~seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [~hunger@p54A67AA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["...] === hunger_ [~tobias@p54A67AA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ [~tobias@p54A67AA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["...] === hunger_ [~tobias@p54A67AA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ is now known as hunger === KabelKasper [~vloechte@i5387D7F5.versanet.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === \sh_away is now known as \sh === froud [~sean@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Soneras [~chris@p50884974.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [~tobias@p54A67AA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["...] === hunger [~tobias@p54A67AA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:18] anyone going to stop me removing juk from the seed? [07:19] Nope... [07:19] I never used it anyway;-) [07:19] hunger: what do you use? [07:19] Riddell: I do not listen to music. [07:20] er Riddell .... [07:20] what's going to replace it? not amarok? [07:20] mart: amarok was the idea [07:20] it doesn't crash for you? [07:21] nope, not using the gstreamer engine [07:21] oh, it crashes for me with all engines after a couple of tracks [07:21] or just hangs [07:22] mart: get a backtrace? [07:22] it used to send them every now and again when I built from source [07:22] it had this "copy the backtrace into an email " thing [07:23] but it didn't always make at bt - sometimes it just crashed completely, no dr konqi [07:23] and they were from all over the code base too === hunger_ [~hunger@p54A67AA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:24] Riddell: you don't run artsd at all? [07:24] or rather... [07:24] mart: still needs artsd for KDE sounds unfortunatly [07:25] Riddell: Let's all hope for kdemm:-) [07:25] what does Control Centre->Sound System->Hardware->audio device say? === hunger_ [~hunger@p54A67AA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["...] [07:25] mart: autodetect [07:26] hmm [07:26] why? [07:27] just wondered what else could cause it to be so unreliable [07:28] Riddell: what does configure amarok->engine->output plugin say for you? [07:28] osssink [07:29] this relies on oss emulation in the kernel I guess? [07:29] ah, just hung with that [07:31] oh well, if it's just me, then... === mart only got one track with those settings [08:01] amarok is stable as long as i don't try to stream radio or something like that.. then it dies. [08:02] dies in the "I need all available CPU-time + some more"-fashion. [08:02] ok, I just want to play some mp3s... [08:05] hmm.. is breezy useable by now? [08:05] uniq: Sometimes;-) [08:05] what about right now? :) [08:05] uniq: once you get past the upgrade it seems fine [08:05] uniq: if you fix X yourself it works ok at the moment. [08:05] X, like the fontpaths? [08:06] X in breezy kills my vt's too [08:06] uniq: The path to Xorg itself at the moment. [08:06] don't know what that's about [08:06] ok, i'll go for a upgrade then. [08:06] uniq: It is manageable... but not really fun. [08:07] oh, I think you have to force some packages too, with --force-overwrites [08:07] that's no problem. [08:07] mart: Don't remember having done that... [08:08] mart: But then I am on breezy since it came out. [08:09] i had a computer on breezy too. but i replaced it when breezy was totaly broken. [08:09] breezy here i come. === pef [~pef@tanneries.squat.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:33] hello [08:34] hi pef. [08:34] does an ubuntu package needs a desktop file for kde and gnome ? [08:35] yes, it's a good idea to include one. but i don't think it's needed as in policy needed. [08:35] you're packaging datakiosk? [08:36] yes, and it's a comment I had [08:36] http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=57 [08:36] don't know if a application like that needs a .desktop file. [08:38] I wouldn't focus too much on the .desktop file. [08:39] It might be a good idea to include. but it's not like everyone should run this program anyway. it's a admin tool. [08:39] uniq, no ;) [08:39] it does include a .desktop file, maybe it doesn't work in gnome for some reason [08:39] it's not a database manager [08:42] is it advisable to ship it with a .desktop at all? - i would consider this a 'doesn't need to appear in the menu'-type application. much like /sbin stuff on the commandline. [08:43] uniq: it's not /sbin, it's a graphical user program [08:43] it's not a admintool? [08:43] no [08:44] ah.. then i'm just stupid. [08:44] i was thinking in the lines of kiosktool. [08:46] then i take back everything i said and say: yes, you need a .desktop file :) [08:47] which it already has [08:47] for gnome _and_ kde so ? [08:47] pef: no, one .desktop file should work for all [08:48] Riddell, I have put it in /usr/share/applications/kde/, is it right ? [08:48] (I've found that in another package) [08:49] bb === pef [~pef@tanneries.squat.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:57] so :) [08:57] my desktop file is ok ? [08:58] pef: works in KDE great, just checking gnome now [08:58] 5mins to download gnome [08:59] pef: did you make any changes to the upstream? wondering about the patch comments [09:00] Riddell, not yet, I'm currently correct all the defaults before uploading [09:02] pef: what was corrected? [09:04] Riddell, nothing, it's in my notebook now [09:04] I just have the desktop file problem [09:05] pef: it's just a comment says "please put patches in debian/patches" but I don't see any [09:06] Riddell, yes, I don't have made any patch, don't know does he found that [09:06] maybe inverted a comment with another package [09:09] there are a lot of changes in the .diff [09:10] mostly evil autotools stuff, which is hard to avoid [09:10] uniq, I haven't made any changes to the source :| [09:10] can't you make the source before running the auto-stuff? [09:11] I think no [09:12] I can't see any non-auto-stuff changes either. [09:13] I just ran dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, am I wrong ? [09:13] try debuild -S -us -uc [09:13] pef: you're not wrong at all (although debuild has some extra checks before running dpkg-buildpackage) [09:13] does dpkg-buildpackage run clean first? [09:14] uniq: yes [09:14] ok. [09:14] uniq: but it doesn't always clean up everything, autotools is like that [09:17] you -can- clean it up manually. === \sh is now known as \sh_away [09:17] just to make the diff cleaner :) [09:17] 3616 datakiosk_0.7-0ubuntu1.diff.gz [09:17] :) [09:18] pef: .desktop file works fine for gnome [09:18] Riddell, so why the comment ? [09:18] (not you) === froud [~sean@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:19] he must be mad [09:22] there are no patches to use dpatch for.. the manpage doesn't need it's own patch. [09:22] the comment says "remove config.sub and config.guess from diff", must it be done manually after dpkg-buildpackage ? it is not very clean no ? [09:23] you can add it to clean:: in debian/rules [09:23] rm -f config.sub config.guess [09:27] pef: are you going to make the other changes requested? [09:29] Riddell, the really needed (not patch ?) of course ;) [09:29] Now i clean rules [09:30] pef: copyright year and mention manpage in changelog [09:31] Riddell, year is ok, the mention I added is "*added manpage" [09:31] good enough for me :) [09:32] Riddell, so I upload [09:32] pef: where to? [09:34] Riddell, I will mention when it's ok [09:37] Riddell: already looked at kio_locate? ;-) [09:39] tvo: what's the URL again? [09:39] http://home.casema.nl/vollebregt/soc/kio-locate-alpha-050705.tar.gz [09:39] need scons to install [09:40] "scons configure && scons && sudo scons install" should do [09:40] (scons rocks) [09:42] Riddell: I was wondering, how many things should be configurable, and how? [09:42] currently it's via typing locater:config in konqueror [09:43] though I haven't modified the config dlg, none of the options of the first tab have any effect [09:43] tvo: I think we should have metabar have a button launching locater:config [09:44] mm I always have config.(guess|sub) in my diff [09:44] pef: even if clean removes them? [09:44] yeah that would do, could also add a hyperlink to about:konqueror === karthik085 [~chatzilla@me190-dhcp-15.ecn.purdue.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:45] pef: did you check with 'fakeroot debian/rules clean' that clean actually remove the files? [09:48] uniq, you were right [09:51] I think I must delete libtool, config.h, config.log, config.status, Makefile and stamp-h1 from the diff ? [09:51] Riddell: btw, which has higher "priority", kfind or inotify locate? [09:51] inotify locate seems cooler [09:52] whichever you think the most useful [09:52] inotify locate would be cool it's true [09:55] Riddell, should I remove all the stuff in diff which is like Makefile.diff and config.* ? [09:55] pef: yeah I guess so [09:56] Riddell: and some question about baz: what is preferable, one summer-of-code archive with kio-locate and inotifylocate/kfind projects, or different archive with only a single project for each? [09:56] Riddell, If I have Makefile.diff in subdirectory, how can I delete them cleanly ? using rm in clean:: ? [09:56] in multiple subdirectories [09:57] pef: the easiest way to make a clean diff is to move the source directory out of the way, (don't delete it). unpack the orig.tar.gz, copy the debian/ dir from the source directory with everything included. now make the package from the new directory. [09:57] pef: find . -name Makefile.diff | xargs rm -f [09:57] poor explanation.. [09:57] tvo: ideally everything goes in the origional archives, so kio-locate archive for that etc [09:58] tvo: but if you can't do that just put it in a baz archive (assuming you've worked out baz) [09:59] Riddell: I've worked through a quite large tutorial today (took me almost entire day....) [10:00] tvo: where is that? [10:00] Riddell: http://regexps.srparish.net/tutorial-tla/arch.html [10:00] it's tla but it's almost the same I noticed [10:01] baz is a fork of arch which is ment to be easier to use [10:01] (and is sponsored by canonical) [10:01] yeah, I asked about that earlier today on #ubuntu-devel [10:02] there was only one difference in first half of this tutorial [10:02] lemme check [10:04] tla archive-setup if I recall correctly wasn't needed in baz [10:04] uniq, nice and clean method :) === Mez [~mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:09] Riddell: any specific version numbering scheme I should follow? [10:11] tvo: for which? [10:12] Riddell: currently kio_locate, but later also inotifylocate/kfind [10:12] Riddell, http://dl.erodia.net/ubuntu/datakiosk/ I think it's ok [10:12] tvo: what's the current kio-locate version? [10:13] 0.4.2 isn't it? [10:13] yes that's right [10:15] I would call it 0.4.2tvo0.1 or something === tvo created a "2005-kio-locate" local archive and [10:18] any idea how i can change the favicon for apt:/ ? i tried to add Icon= in the .desktop files but it didn't change anything. [10:18] uniq: where is it set at the moment? [10:18] riddell: can't find it anywhere. that's why i'm asking. [10:19] if i make Icon=something, like in regular .desktop files it doesn't change anything,. [10:19] looks like the antenna favicon is something default.. === tvo adds a project "kio-locate--0.4.2tvo--0.1" to it (project--branch--version) [10:21] and it changes to a regular "html-favicon" when something is added to the URI. like apt:/search?bash [10:21] http://dl.erodia.net/ubuntu/datakiosk/ I've corrected what the comments mentionned [10:25] pef: hi === pef [~pef@tanneries.squat.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:26] pef: looks like the manpage is almost umodified kdemangen.pl output. [10:26] allee, yes, there is no others command lines options [10:27] pef: debian removed almost all skeleton manpages because users kept complaining [10:27] allee, but a package needs a manpage no ? [10:27] (lintian complains if not) [10:28] pef: yes. without manpage one can submit a but. But users expect that man gives more info than --help-all [10:28] s/but/bug/ [10:29] IMHO better a bug than a disapointing manpage (manpages have a bad enough reputation already) [10:30] ok, so I remove the currently manpage ? === allee feels a bit ashamed that his manpages only add a mininal extra info compared to --help-all [10:31] I only do that to be compliant, since this apps hasn't command line parameters, I don't know what I can add [10:31] pef: Of course it's better to add some extra info than removing, but if you don't have time, I suggest it's removal [10:32] pef: Some extra docs what it is (copy long description) how it works. Enviroment vars used, standard location of files, references to other useful manpages docs, ... [10:34] allee, I can add it later, into next package revision ? [10:36] pef: I would say yes. Release it when ready. Just don't forget about it ;) [10:37] allee, for sure ;) [10:37] allee, and the rest of the package is ok ? [10:38] pef: I only wondered that it links against all libqt*sql pkgs. Aren't they loaded on demand (I only had a look at the diff not the code) [10:40] allee, If you want to access to an sqlite database, you must have libqt-mt-sqlite, for mysql libqt-mt-mysql, etc [10:40] should I put them in recommends ? [10:40] I afraid that personns don't read this fields, and complains about buggy apps [10:41] I'm [10:42] pef: An I can hear complains I only need *sql my I'm forced to have xsql ysql too? ;) [10:42] allee, erf :) [10:42] so recommends is a good idea, no ? [10:42] pef: seriously your on the save side [10:43] at the beginning I had this problem, don't know why I can't open any database [10:43] pef: I'm only brainstorming: Depend: sqlite | xsql | ysql and Recommend all xyz sqls [10:44] pef: would make sure that at least one is installed and you can remove all but one. aptitude/synaptics still installs all by default [10:55] pef: hmm, I give revu a try .. === pef [~pef@tanneries.squat.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:09] :/ [11:09] pef: so one more here: control misses final newline ;) [11:13] pef: grep -h -r -i copyright src | sort | uniq [11:28] pef: you upload a .tar.gz not an .orig.tar.gz === pef [~pef@tanneries.squat.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:29] allee, http://dl.erodia.net/ubuntu/datakiosk/ newline corrected [11:29] pef: dpkg-source -x *.dsc complains :( [11:31] pef: ah, fixed thanks [11:34] I've just made a new upload [11:35] pef: yes and I jumped in in the middle of the upload. After a reload of the dir I found the orig.tar. Sorry [11:37] no problem [11:38] I hope it's ok now ;) === tvo imports his first serious project into arch/baz :) [11:39] pef: build and install her ;) [11:39] tvo: hope you manage to like arch/baz. I failed ;) [11:40] allee: I think I like it better than CVS already [11:40] but I never bothered to read the manual thorougly [11:43] pef complain upstream. Having handbook menuitem but no doc is careless [11:45] allee, dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends} [11:45] should I remove the variable from the rules file ? [11:46] I keep it. One never knows when dh_ tools add to it [11:47] pef: libqt*sql use 1.3MB. So I keep you depend and forget my brainstorming suggestion [11:48] allee, setting them all as Depends ? [11:49] pef: yes. 1.3 is not that much. and if people start complaining. think about it again if you like [11:51] http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/qt4/ qt4 packages [11:55] nice. [11:58] pef: no .orig at http://dl.erodia.net/ubuntu/datakiosk/ [11:58] riddell: do you want the kio-apt without the nice kubuntu favicon before the freeze? [11:59] uniq: when is freeze? [11:59] very soon.. a few hours or 24+a few hours. [11:59] tomorrow is said. [12:00] i don't have X right now.. so i can't check the mailinglists. === uniq is upgrading to breezy. [12:00] universe won't freeze though.. [12:01] but kio-apt is one of those nice-to-have-in-main things.. imho. [12:01] Riddell: reload? I see the orig === Riddell quite tempted just to upload everything [12:01] allee: yes it's there now, spooky