[12:04] <uniq> church_of_foamy: is it hdb1 ? does /storage exist? 
[12:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> as far as i know it does
[12:04] <uniq> any spelling mistakes in /etc/fstab?
[12:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no not that i know of
[12:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> this is the first hard drive i ever partitiond in linux
[12:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so i may be doing something wrong
[12:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i tryed using qtparted and makeing the changes in fstab
[12:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i must not be knowledgable enough to do it
[12:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i can tell you what i did from the start if you want
[12:08] <uniq> please do.
[12:08] <uniq> i'm a little busy with a meeting right now.. i'll try to answer you. but i might be a little slow.
[12:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the hard drive was orginaly in a windows machene with an ntfs partition
[12:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i took it out of that machene and dumped all the stuf on my linux hard drive
[12:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> then i wiped the partiton and tryed to use qtparted to make a new one and format it
[12:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> as well as make it active
[12:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i thought i made the nessisary changes to fstab to allow the drive to be used
[12:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but i either get a root error telling me that only root can mount the drive
[12:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> or that the drive dosen't exist or that access denied thing
[12:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> depending on what i do
[12:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> with fstab
[12:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> in any event i can't get access to the hard drive
[12:10] <uniq> ok. pause there. 
[12:11] <uniq> what does 'sudo fdisk -l' tell you? 
[12:11] <uniq> .. about hdb1
[12:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY>   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[12:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> /dev/hdb1   *           1        4865    39078081   83  Linux
[12:12] <uniq> this looks like your harddisk, right? 
[12:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> as far as i know
[12:12] <uniq> now, if you run 'sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1'
[12:12] <uniq> you'll make a ext3 filesystem on it.
[12:12] <uniq> it will be formatted. 
[12:12] <uniq> so make sure it's the correct disk.
[12:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes it is
[12:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm this may be easyer than qtparted lol
[12:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's formating the correct disk
[12:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok it's done
[12:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and back at the prompt
[12:15] <uniq> ok. then 'sudo mount /storage'
[12:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k
[12:15] <uniq> it was silent? 
[12:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mount: mount point /storage does not exist
[12:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shane@FoamY:~$
[12:16] <uniq> ah.
[12:16] <uniq> 'sudo mkdir /storage'
[12:16] <uniq> that was why it wasn't mounted at boot.
[12:16] <uniq> was/ios
[12:16] <uniq> bah. is
[12:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok done
[12:16] <uniq> then mount again.
[12:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> as sudo?
[12:17] <uniq>  'sudo mount /storage'
[12:17] <uniq> yes.
[12:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k done
[12:17] <uniq> now it's mounted.
[12:17] <uniq> as you can see with 'df -ah'
[12:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it gives me an access denied error when i try to wright to it
[12:18] <uniq> now, make a directory in /storage, as an example /storage/youruser  'sudo mkdir /storage/youruser'
[12:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[12:19] <uniq> and change the ownership to youruser. 'sudo chown youruser.youruser -R /storage/youruser'  
[12:19] <uniq> now youruser can write to /storage/youruser/
[12:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k
[12:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> let me try
[12:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> there we go
[12:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[12:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but is that gonna be so i can only wright to that file on the drive?
[12:22] <uniq> now you can only write to that directory, yes.
[12:22] <uniq> you can make more directories.
[12:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> well i suppose that is good enough for goverment work lol
[12:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thank man
[12:22] <uniq> or you could mount it with more options. But i recommend putting your stuff in a subfolder. it's the easiest and best way imho.
[12:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> you did what no one else seemed to be able to do ^_^
[12:23] <^jude^> hi - can anyone tell me how to restart apache2??
[12:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> you rock ^_^
[12:23] <uniq> :)
[12:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> will i be able to change the name of the folder?
[12:23] <uniq> ^jude^: from the commandline 'sudo invoke-rc.d  apache2 restart'
[12:23] <^jude^> hi foamy - gamecat here on a bnox with no nickserv password :)
[12:23] <^jude^> uniq: ta m8
[12:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh hey jude
[12:24] <uniq> church_of_foamy: sure, you can change the name from the commandline with 'sudo mv oldname newname'
[12:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[12:24] <uniq> nice. i'm on a ibook :)
[12:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i will do that as soon as i get the 34 gigs of crap back on the drive ^_^
[12:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i so want and i book
[12:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> they look so nice
[12:25] <^jude^> mac hardware+free software=lovely system
[12:25] <monchy> i'll take an alienware laptop over an ibook
[12:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i wish i could afford either
[12:26] <^jude^> I'm not an ibook fan either, but this powerbook is just gorgeous, as a piece of engineering
[12:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mac stuff usually is good 
[12:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> in that respect
[12:26] <^jude^> foamy: me too - i got a new job and decided to treat myself on the cc :)
[12:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> altho i think them switching to an intel cpu is kinda dumb though
[12:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nice
[12:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ug 1hour till transfer is done >.<
[12:27] <^jude^> i can't figure that intel thing either - but i doubt it'll be "any intel"
[12:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i hope not seeing as mac cpu's where vastly faster than anything intell put out
[12:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> which worries me about the quality of mac now
[12:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is a psudo mac fan
[12:29] <monchy> they aren't that great, if anything they are heavily overpriced
[12:30] <^jude^> having just bought one, i boviously disagree :)
[12:30] <^jude^> if only i could type
[12:31] <monchy> a barebones iMac G5 is 1600+ tax here
[12:31] <^jude^> where are you?
[12:31] <monchy> canada
[12:31] <monchy> not american!
[12:32] <^jude^> hell no
[12:32] <monchy> that point has to be stressed ;p
[12:32] <^jude^> hehe
[12:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> you lucky buggers
[12:32] <^jude^> powerbook was 1400UKP
[12:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm stuck in this shit hole of a country
[12:32] <monchy> not bad
[12:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[12:32] <^jude^> whatever that is in your money, eh
[12:33] <monchy> 12 inch? 15?
[12:33] <^jude^> 15
[12:33] <^jude^> 512/80/combo drive
[12:33] <monchy> 1 sec i'll do a currency conversion lol
[12:33] <^jude^> might not be a bad plan - i reckon us lot get ripped off
[12:35] <flashnet> ggg
[12:35] <monchy> wow thats like 3000 cdn lol
[12:35] <^jude^> see what i mean :/
[12:36] <monchy> we always get the shaft though
[12:36] <^jude^> my view is that if I'm happy with what I've got then the price was fair :)
[12:37] <monchy> imagine the alienware setup you could get for that much though ;)
[12:38] <^jude^> it wouldn't be built the way this one is
[12:38] <^jude^> i've seen a few of their machines
[12:38] <monchy> so fast, i wish i could get one
[12:38] <^jude^> (not recently I'll admit)
[12:46] <^jude^> I'm offski, see you later
[12:47] <qos_> can somebody take a look on my error? http://phpfi.com/68492
[12:50] <uniq> qos_: try to install libx11-dev
[12:52] <qos_> i already did, but thx. any other ideas?
[12:52] <uniq> xlibs-dev maybe.
[12:54] <qos_> hmm, same error after installing them ..
[12:56] <_hippie> how to change appearance of taskbar?
[12:56] <qos_> so ... no ideas left ;(
[12:56] <qos_> take a look in the control center ...
[01:02] <Fraeon> Could Krita users tell me if it misses some vital features Gimp has like channels and so on?
[01:02] <Fraeon> And I just would like some plain comments about it in general
[01:19] <uniq> fraeon: last time i tried it it was a little unstable. i'm no graphics guy but i got my simple things done.
[01:25] <scotdb> Why does my /etc/resolv.conf file keep getting changed ?   Can I turn this off ?
[01:26] <godsmoke> scotdb: probably because you're running dhclient
[01:26] <godsmoke> or somehow getting dhcp
[01:26] <sdfginsdifnsigns> hi, um how would i install a .sh file
[01:26] <godsmoke> sdfginsdifnsigns: you don't -- .sh is a shell script -- you execute it
[01:26] <godsmoke> probably an installer
[01:26] <sdfginsdifnsigns> godsmoke, how would i do that
[01:27] <sdfginsdifnsigns> how would i execute it
[01:27] <godsmoke> make sure it has execution permissions ("chmod +x FILENAME") -- then just type it's path and filename ("./FILENAME" if you're in the same directory)
[01:27] <MikeStyle> godsmoke, i have no idea how to do what you just said
[01:28] <godsmoke> I just told you EXACTLY how to do it
[01:28] <godsmoke> that's why I put the commands there
[01:28] <scotdb> godsmoke : let me check that
[01:29] <godsmoke> scotdb: it's about the only reason it should be changing
[01:29] <scotdb> yes : got it in one
[01:29] <godsmoke> (automatically, that is)
[01:29] <godsmoke> huh?
[01:30] <scotdb> So now I have to work out how to stop dhclient3 from starting automagically
[01:30] <godsmoke> well ... do you USE dhcp on your network?
[01:30] <godsmoke> if you do -- then you need to run it
[01:30] <Zhukov> hi
[01:30] <MikeStyle> godsmoke, i did what you just said and it didnt do anything
[01:31] <godsmoke> MikeStyle: I don't know what that means
[01:31] <godsmoke> you have to be more specific
[01:31] <Zhukov> ive just installed
[01:31] <MikeStyle> i typed the commands
[01:31] <godsmoke> ok
[01:31] <scotdb> godsmoke : not on this box (my web server / mail server / etc) I want to be static
[01:31] <MikeStyle> and i just got invalid filename
[01:31] <godsmoke> then you executed the script
[01:31] <godsmoke> ....
[01:31] <godsmoke> YOU HAVE TO TYPE THE FILENAME
[01:31] <scotdb> Maybe just deinstall ?
[01:31] <MikeStyle> i DID
[01:31] <Zhukov> kubuntu, to give it a try (ubuntu user), aind i cant configure the wireless connetion no matter what i do!!
[01:31] <godsmoke> scotdb: god no ...
[01:31] <godsmoke> scotdb: edit /etc/network/interfaces
[01:32] <godsmoke> Zhukov: what specifically isn't working?
[01:32] <Zhukov> it just doesn grab an ip
[01:32] <Zhukov> cable all fine, gnome all fine
[01:32] <Zhukov> kde nothing
[01:32] <godsmoke> Zhukov: you have to TELL it to grab an ip
[01:33] <godsmoke> after you tell it which network to connect to
[01:33] <Zhukov> godsmoke: i know
[01:33] <Zhukov> all set up
[01:33] <godsmoke> KDE/Gnome should have nothing to do with this whatsoever
[01:33] <godsmoke> don't use any graphical tools
[01:33] <godsmoke> that's not the proper way to configure a network interface
[01:33] <Zhukov> godsmoke: sudo ifuo and iwconfig here
[01:33] <Zhukov> *ifup
[01:33] <godsmoke> ok -- well, kde has absolutely nothing to do with that
[01:33] <Zhukov> well, ill just try it again...
[01:33] <godsmoke> absolutely nothing -- let me be very clear about that
[01:33] <scotdb> yes I saw that deinstalling dhcp client would remove ubuntu-base : not a good idea
[01:34] <scotdb> ;-)
[01:34] <Fraeon> The thing I keep wondering is what the change in the kernel was that requires people to activate homepna manually when distros with earlier versions of it have it enabled by default. :P
[01:34] <godsmoke> scotdb: well -- it wouldn't fix the problem either
[01:34] <scotdb> So I'm in the interfaces file 
[01:34] <godsmoke> scotdb: change it to your needs
[01:34] <godsmoke> set the ips, take it off dhcp config
[01:34] <Zhukov> godsmoke: i dont understant this too ;D I could hardly believe, but my wireless card isnt an kde fan... :D   maybe i misstyped something.
[01:35] <godsmoke> uh, ok
[01:35] <scotdb> godsmoke : I already did : I set  -
[01:35] <scotdb> iface eth0 inet static
[01:35] <scotdb>         address 192.168.1.2
[01:35] <scotdb>         netmask 255.255.255.0
[01:35] <godsmoke> ok
[01:35] <godsmoke> then you're done
[01:35] <scotdb> which I thought would stop dhcp
[01:35] <godsmoke> ifdown
[01:35] <godsmoke> ifup
[01:36] <scotdb> networking restart and resolv.conf has changed again !!!
[01:37] <godsmoke> then you didn't do it correctly
[01:37] <Zhukov> scotdb: try this sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
[01:38] <Zhukov> this will lock youre file
[01:38] <Zhukov> unless you're using reiserfs
[01:39] <scotdb> Zhukov : that's a bit harsh.  And isn't it dangerous ?
[01:39] <Zhukov> scotdb: no
[01:39] <Zhukov> i use it every time :D router here
[01:39] <godsmoke> that's a nonsense solution
[01:40] <Zhukov> godsmoke: the only one with some routers
[01:40] <godsmoke> no ...
[01:40] <godsmoke> your computer has 100% control over its acceptance of dns servers
[01:40] <Zhukov> scotdb: if you need to change the dns for a specific network, just sudo chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf and let the network do the rest :D
[01:41] <Zhukov> godsmoke: some routers have conflicts with 2.6 kernels
[01:41] <godsmoke> that doesn't make any sense
[01:41] <godsmoke> the kernel doesn't control the file
[01:41] <Zhukov> they lock, for example 192.168.1.1 as the DNS server (router ip) and they cant go on. They just sit there and only after a wile they resolv it
[01:42] <godsmoke> that's a dhcp process
[01:44] <scotdb> ok I've edited resolv.conf again and restarted network : it is still OK.   I'll see how long it lasts
[01:45] <godsmoke> unless you've told your computer to run a dhcp client ... it won't
[01:45] <godsmoke> that's 100% fact
[01:45] <godsmoke> so assuming you made proper modifications to your interfaces file, there should be no problem
[01:50] <scotdb> I think I have the answer : when originally set up dhcp was used.   Unless you kill dhclient it will continue to run even if you change interfaces and bounce the network
[01:51] <godsmoke> not if you ifdown the network
[01:53] <douglas> Anytime I plug my system into a different monitor it always starts xorg in 640x480 and I can't go any higher than that unless I plug my machine into the original monitor I installed kubuntu with?
[02:04] <virgule> hi
[02:07] <mcquaid> hello, is there any way to get hotkeys working?
[02:08] <uniq> try alt+f2 'khotkeys' and press enter.
[02:08] <uniq> to restart khotkeys.
[02:08] <uniq> sometimes it dies without a good reason.
[02:10] <mcquaid> heh alt f2 actually does nothing for me
[02:10] <mcquaid> but running it in a term i get:
[02:10] <mcquaid>  ERROR: Communication problem with khotkeys, it probably crashed.
[02:15] <uniq> mcquaid: ah. stupid me, alt+f2 is a hotkey :|
[02:16] <uniq> mcquaid: restarting kde does not help? do you have the latest kde? (3.4.1)
[02:16] <mcquaid> nope and yep
[02:16] <mcquaid> it runs fine for you?
[02:16] <uniq> yes, it does.
[02:17] <mcquaid> hmm
[02:17] <mcquaid> i searched the forums and others have the prob but no resolution
[02:17] <mcquaid> i thought everyone actually had it
[02:17] <mcquaid> what package provides khotkeys?
[02:17] <uniq> i don't think everyone have the problem, i've never heard of it in here before.
[02:18] <uniq> kdebase-bin
[02:18] <uniq> provides khotkeys.
[02:18] <mcquaid> k
[02:18] <mcquaid> just wanted to ensure that somehow i didn't have version 3.4 of that
[02:19] <mcquaid> or err well you know what i mean
[02:19] <uniq> you -can- try to install kdebase-dev i can see there is one file provided by kdebase-dev that could be needed. even though i don't think it shluld be used.
[02:19] <uniq> i'm on a deadly slow internet connection, else i would have tested my self.
[02:20] <mcquaid> can't see how a dev would help but here goes
[02:20] <uniq> it shouldn't be needed.
[02:20] <mcquaid> nope no change
[02:20] <uniq> but it provides libkdeinit_khotkeys.la 
[02:21] <uniq> did you try to restart khotkeys after installing the -dev? 
[02:21] <mcquaid> yes
[02:21] <uniq> no dice? 
[02:22] <mcquaid> nope
[02:22] <mcquaid> same error
[02:22] <mcquaid> i installed 3.4 from the official reps and then added 3.4.1 and upgraded
[02:22] <uniq> should work.
[02:22] <uniq> works for me, and i presume most others.
[02:23] <uniq> if it didn't help you can safely remove kdebase-dev then :)
[02:23] <mcquaid> now i actually used the meta pkg kde-core instead of kubuntu desktop to save some space
[02:23] <mcquaid> already did ;0
[02:23] <mcquaid> i wonder if kde-core misses something that khotkeys needs?
[02:24] <mcquaid> i woudln't think so tough
[02:25] <uniq> don't think it does.
[02:26] <uniq> well, if there is no bugreport, please make one. references to forum threads if others have the same problems are much appreciated.
[02:27] <uniq> I have to go to bed now.. almost 02:30.
[02:27] <uniq> gnite.
[02:27] <mcquaid> will do
[02:27] <mcquaid> thx for the help
[02:28] <Mez> Riddell :D
[02:28] <Mez> ping
[02:30] <stisev> Hi all
[02:30] <stisev> heh
[02:30] <stisev> /ctcp
[02:36] <_mike> hey guys, when i do sudo apt-get install setiathome it says the package isnt in temp and when it trys to install it gets a sub process error
[02:39] <natas> Why can't I log in as root?
[02:39] <natas> can I change it so that I can log in as root?
[02:40] <natas> can somebody help me?
[02:41] <_mike> no one wants to seem to help right now...
[02:41] <natas> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
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[02:43] <boga> how can I make Kubuntu see my camera as an external device? When I connect via USB, nothing happens.
[02:47] <godsmoke> boga: depending on the camera it a) might not be supported, b) might need special drivers, or c) it might need to be manually configured
[02:48] <boga> godsmoke: At least the automounting of a USB device should work...then configuring would be another matter.
[02:49] <boga> godsmoke: the problem is: Nothing happens!
[02:49] <godsmoke> depends on the camera
[02:49] <boga> well it's a Nokia 5900 CoolPix!
[02:49] <godsmoke> good for you
[02:50] <boga> sorry! Nikon
[02:59] <internat> ok well im having problems with my sound, i just inistalled kubuntu, the module is apparently loaded snd_emu10k1x           18084  0 
[02:59] <internat> but i get no sound
[02:59] <internat> suggestions?
[03:01] <internat> anyone?
[03:15] <flashnet> hhhii
[03:15] <l1nux_friend> any one can help 
[03:15] <l1nux_friend> i use kubuntu
[03:15] <seth_k> just ask :)
[03:15] <seth_k> we're all here to help you
[03:15] <l1nux_friend> but my logitech web cam
[03:16] <l1nux_friend> can't work
[03:17] <l1nux_friend> hhiii seth
[03:17] <l1nux_friend> u can help me
[03:17] <seth_k> what model of webcam is it?
[03:17] <seth_k> do you receive any errors or does it just not work?
[03:17] <seth_k> and what program are you trying to use it with?
[03:18] <l1nux_friend> logitech quick expres
[03:18] <l1nux_friend> gyach
[03:18] <l1nux_friend> like yahoo messenger
[03:18] <l1nux_friend> u know gyach
[03:18] <seth_k> ok
[03:19] <l1nux_friend> i try to control center 
[03:19] <seth_k> I'm not even seeing webcams as a supported feature of gyach. Does it even let you use them?
[03:20] <l1nux_friend> so ?
[03:20] <l1nux_friend> what  program  can i use
[03:20] <seth_k> there is very little webcam support on Linux right now
[03:20] <l1nux_friend> oke
[03:20] <seth_k> Gaim-vv is the closest we have to usable support
[03:20] <seth_k> but 1.2.0 is not very new
[03:21] <seth_k> Kopete is also starting to have rudimentary support
[03:21] <seth_k> and there will be good support in KDE 3.5
[03:21] <seth_k> but right now, maybe something like GnomeMeeting?
[03:22] <l1nux_friend> but my web cam logitech,, can they support my cam
[03:22] <l1nux_friend> oke ,,, i try
[03:22] <l1nux_friend> just moment
[03:23] <seth_k> l1inux_friend, you will need to look here: http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/
[03:24] <l1nux_friend> oke
[03:24] <seth_k> but tbh if you're a new Linux user, I'd advise to switch back into windows when you want to use webcam, and spend time learning about the other features of Linux for now
[03:24] <seth_k> Hardware support is getting better, but it is not there yet
[03:25] <l1nux_friend> oke i just compile that file
[03:25] <l1nux_friend> noo.... i hate windows
[03:25] <l1nux_friend> linux is fun
[03:26] <l1nux_friend> oh iya
[03:26] <l1nux_friend> how about movie player support .wav
[03:27] <l1nux_friend> u know what program is
[03:28] <internat> ok well im having problems with my sound, i just inistalled kubuntu, the module is apparently loaded snd_emu10k1x           18084  0.. but i still have no sound.. anyone?
[03:35] <monchy> ah man msn service is broke again
[03:36] <mattr> hi
[03:37] <mattr> normally, adding .desktop files to /usr/share/xsessions adds the session to the menu. However, my new session isn't being added. something different that i need to do?
[03:42] <markc> are there any channels or mailing-lists for those trying out breezy ? the latest Xorg is broken
[03:55] <seth_k> markc, what error do you get?
[03:56] <seth_k> most can be fixed
[03:56] <seth_k> (I use breezy on two computers)
[03:57] <monchy> how is it shaping up btw?
[03:58] <seth_k> ever so nicely
[03:58] <seth_k> NetworkManager is going to rock so hard
[03:59] <seth_k> mostly for the wireless roaming and network swapping
[04:00] <KaiL> markc: which error?
[04:00] <seth_k> it's a little rough right now because they just switched to the 2.6.12 kernel
[04:01] <seth_k> KaiL, he went idle 15+ minutes ago, so gone for now
[04:01] <KaiL> I had a problem here too (/usr/bin/X11/X missing), which was quite easy to fix
[04:01] <KaiL> maybe he's only making a pizza :)
[04:02] <monchy> mm pizza
[04:02] <monchy> cheeseburger pizza with the bacon on it
[04:04] <seth_k> gimmie
[04:04] <seth_k> now
[04:05] <monchy> its so good i dunno if you can get it like that there
[04:05] <seth_k> where are you?
[04:05] <monchy> then theres a taco one that will light your ass on fire
[04:05] <monchy> canada
[04:05] <seth_k> ah
[04:05] <monchy> canadian 2 4 1 is where i get my pizzas
[04:07] <monchy> if you opened one wherever you are, you'd be rich :P
[04:12] <seth_k> haha
[04:12] <seth_k> maybe like the "Empenadas Argentinas" I ate at in Mexico
[04:12] <seth_k> I would be richer than sabdfl if I sold those here
[04:13] <monchy> never heard of them but if they are spicy i'm game
[04:45] <dlr_> hey guys
[04:51] <seth_k> hi dlr_
[05:08] <dlr_> this chat is dead
[05:08] <dlr_> :(
[05:08] <dlr_> apt-get moo!
[05:11] <monchy> get used to it, its almost always this way
[05:12] <dlr_> i usually join #ubuntu or #debian
[05:12] <dlr_> and then i promptly get told "wrong OS"
[05:12] <seth_k> hehe
[05:12] <dlr_> lol
[05:13] <monchy> #ubuntu they shouldn't be saying that lol
[05:13] <dlr_> i know
[05:13] <dlr_> lol
[05:13] <seth_k> unless it's a KDE question, but meh
[05:13] <dlr_> gnome blows chunks
[05:13] <monchy> which is rare
[05:13] <seth_k> you know it
[05:13] <seth_k> oh i hate gnome
[05:13] <dlr_> i love gentoo
[05:13] <monchy> both stink :P
[05:13] <monchy> go xfce ;p
[05:13] <dlr_> but it NeeDS AN INSTALLeR!!!!!!!!!!
[05:13] <seth_k> never tried it tbh
[05:13] <dlr_> xpde?
[05:13] <seth_k> i tried, um, fluxbox?
[05:13] <dlr_> anyone tried that?
[05:13] <dlr_> that sucka
[05:14] <dlr_> fluxbox is good
[05:14] <monchy> anytime i install now, its straight up Xubuntu
[05:14] <dlr_> is that for the xbox?
[05:14] <dlr_> like xebian?
[05:14] <monchy> no
[05:14] <monchy> its xfce + ubuntu
[05:14] <monchy> nice and slim
[05:15] <seth_k> meh, I have 200GB
[05:15] <seth_k> I can waste 500MB on KDE :D
[05:15] <monchy> oh i don't care about the HD space, memory i care about though ;)
[05:15] <dlr_> i have 80 GB
[05:15] <seth_k> true that
[05:15] <dlr_> and a 160GB external
[05:15] <dlr_> and a 60GB ipod
[05:15] <monchy> and you have to admit both kde and gnome are bloaty
[05:15] <dlr_> and tons of media
[05:15] <dlr_> o def
[05:16] <dlr_> esp. gnome
[05:16] <dlr_> i hate it
[05:16] <seth_k> tbh gnome feels MORE bloaty than KDE to me! dunno why
[05:16] <dlr_> i think so also
[05:16] <seth_k> even though I think KDE is probably more bloaty when using the definition of bloat
[05:16] <seth_k> e.g., memory and drive usage
[05:16] <seth_k> gnome is just so slowwww
[05:16] <dlr_> luna is the most bloated :)
[05:17] <monchy> and all the bloody programs it installs that you never use
[05:17] <dlr_> and avalon
[05:17] <dlr_> gentoo needs an installer
[05:18] <dlr_> i am in VMWare
[06:26] <jfields> is there a way to change the way the permissions are set up by default in kubuntu/ubuntu to how they are set up in other distro's
[06:26] <jfields> more linux like... instead of being so open
[06:26] <seth_k> give an example? Everything is really quite locked-down
[06:26] <jfields> well.... i dont like sudo
[06:26] <seth_k> ah
[06:26] <seth_k> you want a root account
[06:27] <seth_k> imo that is LESS locked down, but here's how
[06:27] <jfields> yes
[06:27] <seth_k> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:27] <seth_k> down at the bottom
[06:27] <seth_k> sudo passwd root
[06:28] <jfields> then i can su to root?
[06:28] <seth_k> that's correct
[06:28] <jfields> for things like compiling and synaptic
[06:28] <jfields> thanks alot seth_k 
[06:28] <jfields> i appreciate it
[06:28] <seth_k> not a problem, that's what we're here for :)
[06:28] <seth_k> I'm glad I could help you
[06:29] <jfields> also... i was wondering ..... how goes the repository stability... as far as both package compatability and non breakage as well as server availability
[06:29] <seth_k> for Hoary?
[06:30] <jfields> because right now i'm on kanotix... and the kanotix server is down...
[06:30] <jfields> is that 5.0?
[06:30] <jfields> if so then yess
[06:30] <seth_k> indeed
[06:30] <seth_k> near 100%
[06:30] <monchy> ah there are people talking, amazing
[06:30] <seth_k> I've only ever *heard* of one outage in 7 months, and I didn't even get hit by it b/c it was so short
[06:31] <jfields> i'm looking for something stable that i can depend on.... like right now i'm trying to compile something that requires a library i cant get to because the server is down... 
[06:31] <seth_k> yeah, it's a party monchy :P
[06:31] <seth_k> jfields, Ubuntu has been the most reliable distro I've ever used
[06:31] <jfields> monchy: would you care for some punch?
[06:31] <seth_k> mmmm punch
[06:31] <monchy> is it spiked? if so, yes
[06:31] <jfields> seth_k: which ones did you come from for a comparison?
[06:32] <seth_k> I used SuSE for almost a year before Ubuntu
[06:32] <jfields> yes it is... drink up
[06:32] <seth_k> hardware compatibility was great
[06:32] <monchy> ew suse
[06:32] <seth_k> but I hit RPM hell hard
[06:32] <monchy> i should smack you
[06:32] <seth_k> haha
[06:32] <seth_k> no more suse on my systems, i'm clean
[06:32] <jfields> was rehab hard?? LOL...
[06:32] <seth_k> before suse was mandrake... which turned me off of linux for close to a year :X it was terrible
[06:33] <monchy> ah yea i was guilty of trying mandrake too
[06:33] <seth_k> and before mandrake was red hat 9, which was tolerable. I got my intro to Linux on it
[06:33] <jfields> yea... same here... pclinuxos variant is imo MUUCH better than it's roots
[06:33] <seth_k> but slowww
[06:33] <jfields> only b/c of the apt system tho
[06:33] <seth_k> mmmmm apt
[06:33] <seth_k> i'll never go back
[06:33] <seth_k> i'm not even tempted
[06:33] <seth_k> :P
[06:34] <jfields> my background with linux dates back quite a few years.... my parents and I were at SAMS store and they had Mandrake 6.0 for sale... and i asked dad if we could get it
[06:34] <jfields> we got it... excited.... fired it up.... needless to say it left much to be desired
[06:34] <seth_k> lol
[06:35] <jfields> more background than that is that my dad and i have been working on comps for years so ... we're no idiots
[06:35] <seth_k> you can't be an idiot and try linu
[06:35] <seth_k> x
[06:36] <monchy> after using windows though we were all idiots
[06:36] <jfields> was several years later... actually got back into linux about 1.5 - 2 years ago...
[06:36] <jfields> LOL
[06:37] <jfields> anyways... been great talkin to yall... i'm watchin a movie.... so.... bbl
[06:38] <seth_k> see you
[07:14] <_cory> can anybody help me setup ndiswrapper?  It's a bitch
[07:15] <KaiL> _cory: broadcom 54mbit card? ;)
[07:17] <_cory> no bcm4306
[07:17] <KaiL> at least broadcom.. so the ndiswrapper coming with hoary it to old.
[07:20] <ilba7r> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[07:20] <jfields> i have a speedstream 54b wireless
[07:20] <jfields> havent been able to get it to work with kanotix
[07:21] <ilba7r> _corry i made my broadcom work following the instruction in this link https://wiki.ubuntu.com//SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[07:54] <godsmoke> ndiswrapper = yuck, nonsense
[07:54] <godsmoke> just get a new card
[07:55] <godsmoke> one with a DECENT chipset :)
[08:00] <_cory> can anybody help me with changing directory user permissions?
[08:00] <godsmoke> sure ...
[08:01] <godsmoke> what do you want to know, specifically?
[08:01] <godsmoke> the process is pretty simple
[08:01] <_cory> chown
[08:01] <_cory> didnt work
[08:01] <godsmoke> tell me what you did
[08:01] <godsmoke> chown is well-tested -- it works -:)
[08:02] <godsmoke> :)*
[08:02] <_cory> chown cory windows
[08:02] <_cory> lol yes i realize
[08:02] <godsmoke> uh ...
[08:02] <_cory> what i did was i mounted my windows partition to /media/windows and it will only let root view it
[08:02] <godsmoke> hahah
[08:02] <godsmoke> that has nothing to do with chown
[08:02] <_cory> fixable :-x?
[08:02] <godsmoke> you need to mount the partition with user permissions
[08:02] <godsmoke> mounting is not a "directory"
[08:02] <_cory> how do u do that?
[08:02] <godsmoke> it's a special process
[08:02] <_cory> oh ok
[08:03] <godsmoke> _cory: look it up -- you need to issue commands at mount, or in fstab
[08:04] <godsmoke> it's even in the ubuntu guide
[08:04] <godsmoke> I would appreciate it if you did a minor amount of work on your own before coming here to ask
[08:04] <_cory> i did
[08:04] <godsmoke> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[08:04] <_cory> alot
[08:04] <godsmoke> no, you didn't
[08:05] <godsmoke> because it's right there in the ubuntu guide
[08:05] <_cory> lol i've actually never seen that guide before, i've been using google
[08:05] <godsmoke> google works just as well
[08:06] <godsmoke> 2nd hit on google for "mount user permissions linux"
[08:07] <godsmoke> "HOWTO Mount MS Windows partitions (FAT,NTFS) - Gentoo Linux Wiki
[08:07] <godsmoke> "
[08:07] <godsmoke> oh -- it's explained in the first hit as well
[08:07] <godsmoke> just not as obviously
[08:09] <_cory> ok godsmoke, i'm sorry i bothered you with my noobness....please forgive me.  I didn't realize i was amongest the most elite linux users whom are not to be bothered by someone as non-knowledgable as me
[08:10] <monchy> you get used to him _cory
[08:10] <jfields> has anyone done apt-build on their box with kubuntu/ubuntu?
[08:12] <_cory> ok 1 more stupid question (i seriously cannot find the answer, and i know its going to be an easy answer) whats the equivalent to gedit in kubuntu?
[08:12] <monchy> kwrite, kate, kedit
[08:13] <_cory> ok ty
[08:13] <monchy> whichever one you want
[08:14] <monchy> anyway don't be afraid to ask your questions, godsmoke can't ream you every time :)
[08:26] <_cory> yo what was that installion guide url for ndiswrapper?
[08:27] <silentshadow> Hey, how do i clear the history in Konqureror?
[08:28] <unome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[08:28] <silentshadow> Yeah, that doesn't help much. :(
[08:29] <unome> silentshadow: history sidebar > clear
[08:29] <silentshadow> Alright, thanks. :)
[08:29] <monchy> been looking at some naughty websites? ;)
[08:30] <silentshadow> Mebbeh.
[08:30] <unome> silentshadow: the wiki url was for _cory, not you :)
[08:31] <silentshadow> unome: Sorry, I jsut figured that out. LOL.
[08:31] <unome> ;O
[08:32] <silentshadow> Where is this "History Sidebar?"
[08:33] <unome> somewhere in settings
[08:34] <silentshadow> Got it!
[08:34] <unome> settings > configure konqi > history sideba (9th option), I had to count :(
[08:34] <silentshadow> But where do I clear the URL bar thing at?
[08:34] <_cory> ok is it just me or does kynaptic suck?!
[08:35] <silentshadow> Nope.
[08:35] <silentshadow> Kynaptic does suck. LOL.
[08:35] <_cory> is there..other options ?lol for kubuntu?
[08:35] <silentshadow> Synaptic. :)
[08:35] <_cory> thats the one i was using
[08:36] <_cory> with reg. ubuntu (gnome)
[08:36] <silentshadow> Oh, I thought you were using Kynaptic.
[08:36] <_cory> how do i get that?
[08:36] <silentshadow> Oh, right.
[08:36] <silentshadow> I forgot, I did it last time though.
[08:36] <silentshadow> First things first, search for it in Kynaptic
[08:36] <silentshadow> unome: How do I clear my URL bar?
[08:36] <_cory> i think i found it in kynaptic
[08:37] <ilba7r> type sudo apt-get install synaptic in a terminalk
[08:37] <unome> silentshadow: I told you :(
[08:37] <silentshadow> I did that already, it doesn't clear it. -.-
[08:37] <unome> clears it for me
[08:38] <_cory> maybe it's just my list of repositories, because i can't find ndiswrapper-util in either one
[08:39] <ilba7r> _cory it is not in the repos
[08:40] <ilba7r> add this line to your source list deb http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/debian ./
[08:40] <_cory> what am i doing wrong, cuz before i formatted i found all sorts of stuff in the package manager like ndiswrapper
[08:40] <_cory> ok
[08:40] <silentshadow> Hey illba7r, do you know how to clear the URL bar?
[08:41] <silentshadow> Clearing the history doesn't work. :(
[08:41] <_cory> where is the src list?
[08:41] <silentshadow> etc/apt/sources.list
[08:41] <ilba7r> do not understand what you mean
[08:41] <_cory> ok thx!
[08:41] <silentshadow> The form where you type in the URL.
[08:41] <silentshadow> How do I clear that?
[08:41] <ilba7r> _cory uncomment the other repos too
[08:41] <silentshadow> The history on that form?
[08:41] <ilba7r> do you use firefox
[08:42] <silentshadow> No, Konqureor, fresh install of Kubuntu.
[08:42] <ilba7r> ok let me see
[08:43] <_cory> ilba7r do i have to change write permissions to be able to add to that list?
[08:43] <ilba7r> _cory no
[08:43] <ilba7r> if you wana edit it use this command 
[08:44] <ilba7r> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:44] <_cory> ok thx
[08:44] <silentshadow> Or you could just right-click sources.list then choose actions --> edit with root.
[08:44] <silentshadow> Or something like that. :)
[08:44] <silentshadow> But the terminal is much easier.
[08:45] <ilba7r> i do not remember how to do it from the browser but from the menu go to control cetner and then clear the browser from there
[08:45] <unome> silentshadow: restart konqi and check if the urls are still there. history sidebar gives you the option to sex max number of urls, set it to 0 to never have history
[08:46] <silentshadow> None of that works unome, but I'll try illba7r's advice. :)
[08:46] <ilba7r> control center internet&network web browser then you have it all the cache and history
[08:47] <_cory> is there a game like counter-strike for linux?
[08:47] <silentshadow> Doubt it. LOL.
[08:47] <_cory> lol..
[08:47] <silentshadow> Although you can emulate steam through Cedega.
[08:47] <_cory> what is cedega?
[08:47] <silentshadow> An emulation program.
[08:47] <silentshadow> www.transgaming.com
[08:48] <_cory> ah got'cha
[08:48] <silentshadow> I'm just going to remove Konq..
[08:48] <silentshadow> I just installed Firefox.
[08:48] <silentshadow> :)
[08:49] <silentshadow> Firefox owns anyways..
[08:49] <ilba7r> do not remove konquer
[08:49] <silentshadow> Just did.. LOL.
[08:49] <ilba7r> lol
[08:49] <silentshadow> Why does it do something special?
[08:50] <silentshadow> OH CRAp.
[08:50] <ilba7r> its more like explorer for window
[08:50] <silentshadow> MY FILE BROWSER
[08:50] <silentshadow> OH GOD..
[08:50] <ilba7r> so all your file browsing will be messed up
[08:50] <silentshadow> ANOTHER INSTALL OF KUBUNTU :(
[08:50] <ilba7r> no
[08:50] <ilba7r> just reinstall konquer
[08:50] <silentshadow> I'll just reinstall Konq.
[08:50] <silentshadow> LOL, yeah.
[08:52] <internat> ok guys im stumped, ive checekd my soundcard in knoppix and its broken in there, ive tried it in kubuntu live and its broken their, ive tried it in kubuntu installed and it doestnw rok there, but it works fine in windows.. its a creative live 5.1 card.. using emu10k1x drivers.. any suggetwsions as to why the shitty thing wont work?
[08:53] <_cory> i'm guessing cedega is not free?
[08:54] <_cory> rofl silent
[08:54] <_cory> konq sux
[08:54] <_cory> i think there are other file browsers
[08:55] <ilba7r> install firefox _cory it is one of the best
[08:55] <_cory> i've got firefox
[08:55] <ilba7r> then you are done
[08:55] <_cory> ive been using it forever
[08:55] <_cory> i just have using konq as a file browser
[08:55] <_cory> hate*
[08:55] <ilba7r> do not forget to install java and flash
[08:56] <ilba7r> or you will not be able to play online games
[08:56] <_cory> how do u do that
[08:56] <_cory> **install java and flash
[08:56] <_cory> for firefox for linux
[08:56] <ilba7r> give me a min i will give you a site
[08:56] <_cory> ok thx
[08:57] <ilba7r> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[08:57] <internat> so no ideas on my sound problem?
[08:57] <ilba7r> it will help you download and istall java realplayer acrobat and flashplayer
[08:57] <ilba7r> sorry internat do not know that
[08:58] <ilba7r> i can only recommend mepis they have really good hardware support
[08:58] <ilba7r> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[09:02] <unome> internat: alsamixer shows your sound device?
[09:02] <internat> no[e
[09:02] <internat> alsamixer says cannt open default device
[09:03] <internat> when i lsmod the drivers snd_emu10k1x is loaded, w hich is the apparently proper driver for my soundcard so..
[09:03] <unome> you have soundblaster 16?
[09:03] <internat> no
[09:03] <unome> what is it then?
[09:03] <internat> sound blaster live 5.1
[09:03] <unome> modprobe snd-sb8 
[09:03] <unome> try that
[09:04] <internat> ok 1 sec
[09:05] <internat> no such device
[09:05] <unome> modprobe snd-sb16 and try plain modprob sb
[09:05] <unome> modprobe snd-sb16*
[09:06] <internat> nope
[09:06] <internat> no such device
[09:06] <unome> ew
[09:06] <unome>  emu10k1 usualy works for live
[09:07] <internat> k1 and k1x both load.. but nothing works
[09:07] <unome> works fine under windoz?
[09:07] <internat> yep
[09:07] <internat> how do u unload something?
[09:08] <internat> so the interesting thing is
[09:08] <unome> sudo killall esd
[09:08] <internat> if i load the emu10k1x driver, the speakers click, but it makes the same sound i normally only get when the conmputer is off
[09:08] <unome> try killing esd
[09:08] <internat> no procecess killed
[09:09] <unome> system -> preferences -> sound and uncheck start sound server
[09:10] <internat> what preferences?
[09:10] <internat> i dont have a preferences
[09:10] <unome> internat: oh shoot KDE
[09:10] <unome> sorry
[09:10] <unome> try this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44753
[09:11] <internat> ive done most of that b4
[09:11] <unome> the card is really giving you hard time eh :/
[09:13] <internat> its driving me nuts
[09:13] <internat> i think i broke my alsa modprobe.d file in the mean time as well
[09:17] <internat> do u have a copy of the orignal /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base file?
[09:17] <unome> rmmod remove a module from the running kernel
[09:17] <unome> yes i do
[09:18] <eclub09> k
[09:18] <internat> any chance of getting a copy?
[09:18] <unome> sure let me upload it somewhere
[09:18] <internat> sure
[09:19] <internat> also making an assumption that its having issues with the emu10k1x driver, is there a way to force it to load emu10k1 insead of k1x?
[09:20] <internat> frig it, i might gibve re-installing a go
[09:23] <godsmoke> ...
[09:23] <godsmoke> re-installing?
[09:23] <internat> yes
[09:23] <godsmoke> there are very very very very few cases where that's the best option
[09:24] <internat> well i had my tvcard in there at one point, and some people thought that might have interfeered with the proper detection of my sound card.. so i thought wjhy not ill reinstall
[09:24] <internat> ive only had it running for a day , so im not going to lose anything
[09:24] <godsmoke> well, there's no reason to rely on "detection"
[09:24] <godsmoke> that's just ubuntu blowing smoke up your ass
[09:24] <godsmoke> it's nothing special
[09:24] <internat> well what do u sugest i do?
[09:25] <godsmoke> you know which driver your sound card needs?
[09:25] <internat> yep
[09:25] <internat> well i know its 1 of 2, 
[09:25] <godsmoke> well, didn't you look it up?
[09:25] <internat> yes
[09:25] <godsmoke> then why are there two?
[09:25] <internat> and it came up as emu10k1
[09:25] <internat> but the auto dectection stuff loads it as emu10k1x
[09:26] <godsmoke> well -- auto-detection should never be a -source- of information
[09:26] <godsmoke> it can work -- but trust the expert database
[09:26] <godsmoke> what card is it?
[09:26] <internat> ok, creative sb live! 5.1
[09:26] <markc> are there any channels or mailing-lists for those trying out breezy ? 
[09:26] <godsmoke> markc: developers :)
[09:26] <godsmoke> breezy is not in good shape atm
[09:27] <internat> Sound Blaster Live 5.1  	emu10k1  	Details (emu10k1)  	 [ANio]  [MIDIio]  (1) (3)
[09:27] <godsmoke> all the dev mailing lists and channels are going to talk about breezy
[09:27] <godsmoke> that's your best shot
[09:27] <godsmoke> ok
[09:27] <markc> godsmoke> yes, I've noticed :-)
[09:27] <godsmoke> so ...
[09:27] <internat> ok so how do i make it load that driver and not the emu10k1x driver?
[09:28] <godsmoke> you go into /etc/modules
[09:28] <godsmoke> and tell it which driver to load
[09:28] <Mez> markc, I wouldnt reccomend breezy at the moment, unless you like fixing things
[09:28] <godsmoke> after running the alsa config, of course
[09:28] <godsmoke> breezy is highly unstable at the moment
[09:28] <godsmoke> I would say it's on par with experimental debian
[09:28] <markc> Mez> I've been using it for months and have indeed ficed a few things
[09:29] <godsmoke> internat: still there?
[09:29] <internat> yeah im here
[09:29] <unome> insmod loads only the module you request, modprobe tries to load other modules that the one you request depend on
[09:30] <Mez> markc: go you :D
[09:30] <Mez> just default recdomendation is to not use it unless you know what you're doing :D
[09:30] <godsmoke> unome: but we're talking about a soundcard -- so we want this placed in /etc/modules, not manually loading it
[09:30] <Mez> markc, I hope you've been using bugzilla/malone ?
[09:30] <unome> godsmoke: ok.
[09:30] <internat> ok, so what, how do i stop the existing driver from loading and make it load the other one?
[09:31] <godsmoke> rmmod MODULENAME
[09:31] <markc> Mez> err no, just winging it by myself..  I'm on amd64 too so regular advice sometimes oes not apply
[09:31] <godsmoke> it won't force the driver load unless you configured alsa incorrectly ...
[09:31] <internat> wont that only just remove it for this boot insteance, 
[09:31] <godsmoke> alsa needs to be told which driver you want
[09:31] <godsmoke> internat: yes, you should do that first
[09:31] <godsmoke> anyway -- configure alsa
[09:32] <godsmoke> tell it to use the proper driver
[09:32] <Mez> markc: if in doubt, file a bug, it helps us a hell of a lot
[09:32] <internat> how do i do that? alsaconf?
[09:32] <godsmoke> if the old driver continues to load on its own -- you'll have to blacklist it
[09:32] <godsmoke> yeah, I believe that's the name
[09:32] <internat> kubuntu doesnt have that config program for some reason
[09:32] <godsmoke> it'll auto-detect your sound card -- and you can tell it which driver it should use for it
[09:32] <godsmoke> right ... you download it
[09:32] <godsmoke> alsa-utils or something
[09:32] <markc> Mez> yes, that's why I am kinda asking about devel stuff... I should get more involved
[09:32] <godsmoke> probably in universe, or multiverse
[09:32] <Mez> yeah
[09:33] <Mez> mark - your best bet is the ubuntu-devel mailing list and hte #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-motu channels here on IRC
[09:33] <godsmoke> "here on irc"
[09:33] <godsmoke> heh
[09:33] <internat> i have alsa-utils.. and its not in that either
[09:33] <godsmoke> are we on the "irc network"?
[09:33] <godsmoke> hrm
[09:33] <internat> its meant to provide alsa-conf but it doesnt
[09:33] <godsmoke> you sure it's not there?
[09:33] <markc> mez> great, thanks for the advice, will do
[09:33] <godsmoke> sigh -- silly ubuntu
[09:33] <internat> ive done a locate on it, and its not ther
[09:34] <godsmoke> ok -- well, I'm too tired to go through this now -- damn ... if you're right, I'm gonna get angry at the devels
[09:34] <godsmoke> alsaconf is a good tool
[09:34] <godsmoke> although -- it is possible, I have the name wrong
[09:34] <godsmoke> it could be alsa-conf or whatever
[09:35] <internat> on knoppiox its alsaconf
[09:35] <godsmoke> I'd just tab-complete "alsa....."
[09:35] <godsmoke> see what there is
[09:35] <godsmoke> it might have a different name
[09:35] <godsmoke> knoppix is crazy, don't use that as a guide
[09:35] <Mez> oh, and #kubuntu-devel as well for kubuntu devel ;)
[09:35] <godsmoke> bbl
[09:41] <stisev> OT: anyone know a thing or two about VMware?
[09:42] <Mez> stisev - I've already directed you to #vmware
[09:42] <godsmoke> as have I
[09:42] <godsmoke> Mez: but he left
[09:43] <Mez> ah yes
[09:43] <godsmoke> internat: you're right -- alsaconf should be in that package and isn't -- die ubuntu
[09:43] <Mez> saw him rejoin in #ubuntu :D
[09:43] <godsmoke> there he is
[09:43] <Mez> stisev - I've already directed you to #vmware
 as have I
[09:43] <Mez> so there's no point in asking in here :D
[09:43] <stisev> Mez/godsmoke: have you guys BEEN to vmware?
[09:43] <stisev> er #vmware
[09:44] <stisev> it's literally deserted.
[09:44] <stisev> lifeless!
[09:44] <godsmoke> no -- never had a problem
[09:44] <godsmoke> uh
[09:44] <Mez> I dont own vmware, so no ... but it seems pretty full..
[09:44] <stisev> I would think 24 hours later, I'd get at least a hint of a response.
[09:44] <Mez> but the point still is - this = kubuntu support channel not vmware support channel
[09:44] <godsmoke> you have to WAIT for questions to be answered -- it isn't an on-demand service
[09:44] <stisev> godsmoke: read above.
[09:44] <godsmoke> stisev: search google, the mailing lists -- join the mailing lists, whatever you have to do
[09:44] <stisev> I tried searching google groups
[09:45] <godsmoke> google groups is USENET
[09:45] <godsmoke> that's not "vmware mailing lists"
[09:45] <stisev> what is vmware mailing lists?
[09:45] <godsmoke> the mailing lists that are for the support of vmware
[09:45] <godsmoke> usenet is its own system
[09:47] <godsmoke> this would be my first choice: http://www.vmware.com/vcommunity/
[09:47] <godsmoke> the official vmware community support website
[09:47] <godsmoke> forums, knowledgebases, user groups, newsgroups
[09:47] <godsmoke> so forth
[09:47] <godsmoke> it shouldn't be my responsibility to find you vmware help either
[09:48] <godsmoke> just because you asked here -- and it has nothing even remotely to do with ubuntu -- doesn't mean I'm your personal googler
[09:50] <stisev> hey guys
[09:51] <stisev> sorry, back. you guys are right. This is a kubuntu support channel.
[09:51] <stisev> Sorry for blanketing my problems in this channel. thanks for the help. I'll definitely try out the aforementioned channels.
[09:56] <cjnodell> hello I have a wireless networking question. Can anybody help me out?
[10:05] <internat> godsmoke so.. how should i get it, compile alsa myself?
[10:07] <shawn> hi
[10:10] <internat> how do i kill x again? i thought it was init 2
[10:14] <internat> how do u show the files provided by a package?
[10:25] <Mez> internat - use synaptic ;0
[10:27] <internat> fair enuff
[10:27] <internat> i wanna know why the frig alsaconf isnt in there..a nd why the frig my sound card isnt working
[11:42] <goat> hey noob question but i need help on how to set root password after a clean install of kubuntu please
[11:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo passwd root
[11:46] <internat> so how do i set up dual screens?
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> internat: get a dual head video card, or 2+ video cards
[11:47] <internat> yeah i ahve that
[11:47] <internat> i have a dual head vid card
[11:47] <goat> ok Kamping_Kaiser i typed "sudo password root" in terminal but it prompts me for a password for that
[11:48] <nikkia> if its nvidia, you'll have to read and understand their driver notes on how to setup TwinView
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> htats your password
[11:48] <internat> type the password for YOUR account
[11:48] <internat> not the root one, your one
[11:51] <goat> now i type "sudo password" or "sudo password root" and i get error "sudo: password: command not found."
[11:51] <goat> sorry its my first time ever with linux im trying to learn the filesystem and user system stuff
[11:52] <internat> passwd
[11:52] <internat> not password passwd
[11:52] <internat> sudo passwd root
[11:53] <goat> o wow thanks buddy
[11:53] <goat> sorry about that :P
[11:54] <goat> would u recommend making my root password different from my user password?
[11:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> oops sorry about passwd/password
[11:57] <nikkia> goat, i'd recommend learning to live with sudo :)
[11:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> goat, if you have a root password, it may as well be different
[11:58] <Fraeon> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install root-account
[11:58] <goat> su = switch user right?
[11:58] <goat> whats the do?
[11:58] <nikkia> goat, 'do' a command as a different user
[11:58] <Fraeon> I always thought 'su' meant super-user.
[11:59] <nikkia> there are a few situations where 'sudo command' isn't sufficient, but you can replicate su with sudo -s and sudo -i anyway
[11:59] <nikkia> Fraeon: no, you can switch to other users too
[11:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> Fraeon: no, substitute user
[11:59] <goat> what do those arguments do?
[11:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can switch to anyone
[11:59] <goat> -s and -i?
[11:59] <nikkia> goat, -s == create shell,  -i simulate login
[12:00] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: almost anyone :)
[12:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) ok then
[12:00] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: su honours nologin and shells lookup
[12:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, ok
[12:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> ta :)
[12:00] <goat> haha
[12:00] <nikkia> well, it does if you're running it as a normal user, you can tell it to ignore them if you're root, which is useful for doing stuff as a daemon account
[12:01] <goat> so if i do "sudo passwd" as opposed to "sudo passwd root" whats the difference?
[12:01] <nikkia> goat, none, really
[12:01] <goat> mmk
[12:01] <nikkia> one is explicitely specifying the username to passwd, the other is letting passwd guess based on the EUID
[12:01] <goat> EUID?
[12:01] <nikkia> effective user id
[12:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> goat, and i don't like letting it guess ;)
[12:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> same when i su i always use "su root"
[12:02] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: i always use 'su -' but that's me
[12:02] <goat> k sounds good
[12:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> nikkia: well then i can see what's going on irrespective of what the system does
[12:03] <nikkia> which is odd really, as i use sudo -s these days, you'd think after years of being used to 'su -' i'd prefer sudo -i *shrug*
[12:04] <goat> alright im out thanks for all the help
[12:04] <goat> ill try to come by here more often and start picking this stuff up
[12:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> have fun goat
[12:05] <goat> i tried a while ago but i was so lost between the user system and program installation i had to take a break :/
[12:25] <samuelk> i have a question...in Kynaptic i gett a a msg then press the "upgrade all packages" it is saying: "Operation not possible with broken packages please fix them first"...
[12:25] <samuelk> i know how to fix the broken package
[12:25] <samuelk> but i  dont whant to remove it...
[12:25] <samuelk> its kdmtheme any ideas how i can fix this?
[12:26] <unome> use synaptic
[12:30] <samuelk> well same there.
[12:30] <samuelk> any clue how to fix?
[12:30] <unome> you answered your own question I guess, you know what the problem is and how to fix it (the kdm theme)
[12:31] <samuelk> yes but it whant to remove kdmtheme
[12:31] <samuelk> and thats what i dont whant to..
[12:31] <samuelk> and the package aint borken.
[12:31] <unome> how did you install it, dpkg?
[12:32] <samuelk> no from source i think..
[12:32] <unome> hmm
[12:32] <unome> what kdm theme, gear?
[12:32] <samuelk> gear?
[12:33] <samuelk> no
[12:33] <unome> gear is a name of a theme, what was the theme's name?
[12:33] <samuelk> i use shuttle
[12:33] <samuelk> and tux-mania
[12:34] <unome> I have both, no problems
[12:34] <samuelk> useing the kdmtheme manager?
[12:34] <unome> themes should go to /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes
[12:35] <unome> naw
[12:35] <unome> then change /etc/kde3/kdmrc I think to reflect the them's name
[12:35] <unome>  /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc*
[12:37] <samuelk> nod found it
[12:37] <unome> you gotta make /themes
[12:37] <unome> it's not there by default
[12:38] <unome> then in kdmrc you specify the location of the theme, simple
[12:38] <samuelk> nod
[12:38] <unome> hold on let me give you the excat line
[12:38] <samuelk> i found the lime
[12:38] <samuelk> line
[12:39] <unome> k.
[12:53] <otep> anyone here who uses a snap server?
[01:27] <kubuntufan> hi
[01:28] <kubuntufan> hi
[01:29] <MrPoke> howdy
[03:43] <weijie90> gi
[03:43] <weijie90> hi
[04:01] <slicslak> i've screwed my xorg.cong file....  what app does ubuntu use to config X11 at install?
[04:02] <KaiL> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:04] <slicslak> KaiL, thx
[05:03] <wand> Algum manja de Slack ai?
[05:24] <cies> "/usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin: relocation error: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflash-mozplugin.so: undefined symbol: XtWindowToWidget"
[05:24] <cies> anyone also has ^this^ error when seeing flash in mozilla (konq also freezes on flash)... 
[06:16] <l1nux_friend> hiii every body
[06:16] <l1nux_friend> any one can help me
[06:17] <l1nux_friend> hheelllooo
[06:17] <l1nux_friend> :(
[06:20] <cies> l1nux_friend: go ahead
[08:42] <[A] ndy80> worse than DLL-Hell :( I'm using kdevelop, I need kde-devel but it requires kdesdk that conflicts with kdevelop O_o how can I fix this?
[09:25] <_alex> SAlut @ tous
[09:25] <_alex> j'ai juste une petite question... Sous kubuntu ou est-ce qu'on rentre les path de faons permanente
[09:26] <godsmoke> _alex: this is an ENGLISH-speaking channel
[09:26] <_alex> Oops sorry :p
[09:26] <godsmoke> no problems
[09:26] <_alex> Starting over in english !
[09:26] <godsmoke> heh
[09:27] <_alex> Hi everyone ! I just have a little question : where do I insert my Paths permanently in kubuntu?
[09:28] <apokryphos> _alex: the bath for what, exactly?
[09:28] <apokryphos> *path
[09:28] <apokryphos> heh
[09:28] <godsmoke> ...
[09:28] <godsmoke> the bash path
[09:29] <godsmoke> you put it in /etc/profile
[09:29] <_alex> Actually my (french) aspell is not found by kmail
[09:29] <godsmoke> you probably need to install it
[09:29] <_alex> so i should export my path but i dont want to do it every time i restart my box
[09:29] <godsmoke> ...
[09:29] <godsmoke> you didn't read
[09:29] <_alex> godsmoke: both aspell and ispell are installed
 you put it in /etc/profile
[09:30] <godsmoke> exporting a variable is exactly that ... a variable
[09:30] <SysFail> anybody having problems installing stuff?
[09:30] <SysFail> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pango1.0/libpango1.0-0_1.8.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[09:30] <godsmoke> the information in /etc/profile is set every time the computer boots
[09:30] <_alex> ok thanks!
[09:30] <buz> use archive instead of us.archive
[09:30] <SysFail> k
[09:33] <SysFail> thanks buz :)
[09:33] <SysFail> worked
[09:33] <SysFail> that us.archive is default in the newest kubuntu install disc
[09:33] <_alex> last thing in my /etc/profiles I have a line with PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/etc..." is it here that i should insert a :/usr/lib/aspell ? because the line is not that long....
[09:33] <godsmoke> huh?
[09:34] <_alex> this is the actual line : PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11"
[09:34] <buz> is there any thesaurus for OOo?
[09:35] <godsmoke> yes ... this is covered by their website
[09:35] <godsmoke> and also an apt-cache search for openoffice thesaurus will get you one
[09:35] <buz> must ahve mistyped
[09:35] <buz> didnt find it last time....
[09:37] <supernix> How come Kubuntu does not have Firefox ?
[09:38] <uniq> it has konqueror
[09:38] <supernix> Yes
[09:38] <supernix> They actually seem the same
[09:38] <uniq> you can download firefox after installation if you want it.
[09:38] <supernix> Pretty much that is
[09:39] <supernix> Are you able to install anything if your using the LiveCD ?
[09:39] <uniq> sure.
[09:39] <supernix> I just wondered I did not want to damage my HD
[09:39] <uniq> you can play around and install stuff with the livecd.
[09:40] <supernix> KEWLIO
[09:40] <supernix> that is awsome news
[09:40] <uniq> it might become slow after a while. if you install alot.
[09:40] <supernix> I was afraid to even use the Kwallet for fear it would mess with the partition or something
[09:40] <supernix> I have XP and I am sure everyone knows what a pain it is
[09:41] <uniq> the livecd won't mess with your harddrive uynless you tell it to.
[09:41] <supernix> that is good
[09:42] <supernix> I tried something one time then when I booted up again it said something about trouble with the disk but after the check was done all was well not sure which distro that was
[09:43] <supernix> I must say I liked the Kubuntu much more than the Ubuntu
[09:43] <supernix> Under Ubuntu it would not detect my HP printer
[09:48] <goat> hey can anybody recommend a place to go where I can learn how to compile/configure/install programs when i have the tar.bz2 binary or whatever it is I am very new to linux.
[09:50] <uniq> goat: what is it you are trying to install? 
[09:50] <goat> the "essential" codec pack or mplayer stuff for kaffeine
[09:51] <uniq> don't think there is any compiling needed for that.
[09:51] <uniq> you can unpack it with 'tar -jxvf package.tar.bz2'
[09:51] <goat> i have a tar.bz2 file..... im not sure exactly what to do with it
[09:51] <goat> ok
[09:51] <goat> the documentation pages say i can make a .deb
[09:51] <uniq> and place all the files under /usr/lib/win32 or something.. it's explained at mplayerhq.hu
[09:52] <goat> using fakroot and stuff
[09:52] <goat> ok
[09:52] <uniq> ok. i don't know what's included in the .tar.bz2. i don't use win32 codecs.
[09:53] <uniq> there is probably some documentation included in the tar.bz2.
[09:53] <goat> alright
[09:53] <goat> im trying to watch some wmv file
[09:53] <goat> am i going about this correctly?
[09:54] <uniq> yes.
[09:54] <uniq> but, maybe backports got the package you want.
[09:54] <goat> ... backports..?
[09:54] <uniq> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[09:54] <uniq> ?? backports
[09:54] <kinfo> No match for "backports"
[09:55] <uniq> !learn backports http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[09:55] <kinfo> Inprinted backports (memory injection successful)
[10:01] <goat> is mplayer a part of kaffeine or something?
[10:02] <uniq> no.
[10:02] <goat> am i adding an mplayer plugin or something?
[10:02] <uniq> kaffeine can use the mplayer win32 codecs somehow.
[10:02] <goat> oh ok
[10:02] <goat> this is from the readme:
[10:02] <goat> Put the files contained in this archive in a directory where MPlayer will find
[10:02] <goat> them. The default directory is /usr/local/lib/codecs/ ($prefix/lib/codecs/) if
[10:02] <goat> you are compiling from source, but you can change that value by passing the
[10:02] <goat> '--with-codecsdir' option to './configure'.
[10:03] <goat> is that the same place kaffeien will look?
[10:03] <uniq> did you check backports first? 
[10:03] <goat> kinda
[10:03] <goat> i didnt get it fully
[10:03] <goat> is that so that my kaffeine gets fully up to date or something?
[10:04] <uniq> your kaffeine and you can probably get the codecs from there too.
[10:05] <uniq> isn't this what you want  http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/w32codecs_20050216-0.0_i386.deb ?
[10:05] <goat> sure?
[10:05] <goat> haha
[10:05] <goat> yea
[10:06] <goat> looks good
[10:07] <uniq> you should take a closer look at backports :)
[10:07] <goat> im trying :/
[10:07] <goat> ok
[10:07] <goat> so that file u showed me opened up a binary in kate
[10:07] <goat> and told me not to save it or it would be corrupt...
[10:07] <uniq> ok. just forget the file i showed you.
[10:07] <goat> lolk
[10:08] <uniq> go to backports.
[10:08] <uniq> ?? backports
[10:08] <kinfo> [backports]  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[10:08] <uniq> read the info on the page. and add the lines to /etc/apt/sources.list as explained.
[10:09] <goat> alright
[10:12] <goat> should i add the extras too or jsut stick to the updated packages backport?
[10:15] <uniq> add extras too. the package you want is in the extras repository.
[10:15] <goat> yea im beginning to see...
[10:16] <uniq> a suggestion: disable the backports after you've installed what you want.  you can do that by adding a # at the start of the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:16] <uniq> then backports won't break anything on your system.
[10:17] <goat> ok
[10:17] <goat> but would it be wise to have backports try and update all the outdated stuff ro whatever?
[10:22] <uniq> it should be safe. but i can't recommend it.
[10:22] <goat> ok
[10:23] <goat> how do i add the line using root privledges..
[10:23] <goat> do i have to do it thru a terminal?
[10:23] <hussam> I know ubuntu cds are shipped for free. When Breezy is out, will Kubuntu ship for free too?
[10:24] <uniq> no, you can use alt+f2 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list'
[10:24] <uniq> that was for goat.
[10:25] <uniq> hussam: no, currently no one is paying for kubuntu cds for free.
[10:27] <goat> hey thanks uniq i really appreciate all ur help
[10:29] <goat> so wiat can i use kynaptic now to find or do i need to do something different?
[10:31] <uniq> goat: you can user kynaptic. just make sure you press the right button first. to update the list of packages.
[10:41] <hussam> does kubutnu check for new hardware at bootup? what if I decided to change a network adaptor or sound card or something? will it autodetect?
[10:45] <uniq> not by default i think.
[10:46] <uniq> or, maybe hotplug detects it automatically.
[10:46] <uniq> not sure.
[10:48] <hussam> The only thing missing from kubuntu is some sort of hardware manager.
[10:50] <hussam> I know Ubuntu is basicly gnome based but is something like that being planned for the next release?
[10:50] <aseigo> hardware manager? as in..?
[10:51] <hussam> maybe soemthing like SuSE's Yast administrative tool ( I've seen some nice screenies )
[10:53] <hussam> or maybe a graphical hardware detection tool.
[10:56] <aseigo> yeah, that's a general low point of ubuntu. the admin tools are essentially non existent
[10:56] <aseigo> yast is really quite nice
[10:56] <gdh> hardware detection shouldn't need a graphical tool... it shouldn't need any 'tool' the user is aware of :)
[10:57] <gdh> it should Just Work(tm)
[11:00] <hussam> gdh: I know that but it still would be nice to have something like yast, not yast itself but something similar.
[11:01] <gdh> and on that note, am off to bed =) nn
[11:01] <hussam> gdh: ;)
[11:05] <hussam> how do I set as away in konversation without away message?
[11:05] <seth_k> hussam, Settings > Identities
[11:06] <seth_k> then go to Away tab and deselect "show away messages"
[11:07] <hussam> ok thanks
[11:07] <hussam> lemme try it
[11:51] <chromate> why is gaim held back to 1.1.4?
[11:56] <uniq> chameleon22: because hoary is frozen, and will only get security updates.
[11:56] <uniq> gah.. wrong nick.
[11:56] <uniq> and the other one quit.
[11:57] <uniq> sorry for that one chameleon22.