[12:04] church_of_foamy: is it hdb1 ? does /storage exist? [12:04] as far as i know it does [12:04] any spelling mistakes in /etc/fstab? [12:05] no not that i know of [12:05] this is the first hard drive i ever partitiond in linux [12:05] so i may be doing something wrong [12:06] i tryed using qtparted and makeing the changes in fstab [12:06] i must not be knowledgable enough to do it [12:07] i can tell you what i did from the start if you want [12:08] please do. [12:08] i'm a little busy with a meeting right now.. i'll try to answer you. but i might be a little slow. [12:08] the hard drive was orginaly in a windows machene with an ntfs partition [12:08] i took it out of that machene and dumped all the stuf on my linux hard drive === dobwan [~dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [12:09] then i wiped the partiton and tryed to use qtparted to make a new one and format it [12:09] as well as make it active [12:09] i thought i made the nessisary changes to fstab to allow the drive to be used [12:09] but i either get a root error telling me that only root can mount the drive [12:10] or that the drive dosen't exist or that access denied thing [12:10] depending on what i do [12:10] with fstab [12:10] in any event i can't get access to the hard drive [12:10] ok. pause there. [12:11] what does 'sudo fdisk -l' tell you? [12:11] .. about hdb1 [12:11] Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System [12:11] /dev/hdb1 * 1 4865 39078081 83 Linux [12:12] this looks like your harddisk, right? [12:12] as far as i know [12:12] now, if you run 'sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1' [12:12] you'll make a ext3 filesystem on it. [12:12] it will be formatted. [12:12] so make sure it's the correct disk. [12:12] yes it is [12:13] hmm this may be easyer than qtparted lol [12:13] it's formating the correct disk [12:14] ok it's done === _hippie [~hippie@pc-200-74-48-223.trinidad1.pc.metropolis-inter.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:14] and back at the prompt [12:15] ok. then 'sudo mount /storage' [12:15] k [12:15] it was silent? [12:16] mount: mount point /storage does not exist [12:16] shane@FoamY:~$ [12:16] ah. [12:16] 'sudo mkdir /storage' [12:16] that was why it wasn't mounted at boot. [12:16] was/ios [12:16] bah. is [12:16] ok done [12:16] then mount again. [12:16] as sudo? [12:17] 'sudo mount /storage' [12:17] yes. [12:17] k done [12:17] now it's mounted. [12:17] as you can see with 'df -ah' [12:18] it gives me an access denied error when i try to wright to it [12:18] now, make a directory in /storage, as an example /storage/youruser 'sudo mkdir /storage/youruser' [12:18] >.< [12:19] and change the ownership to youruser. 'sudo chown youruser.youruser -R /storage/youruser' [12:19] now youruser can write to /storage/youruser/ [12:19] k [12:19] let me try [12:21] there we go [12:21] ^_^ [12:21] but is that gonna be so i can only wright to that file on the drive? [12:22] now you can only write to that directory, yes. [12:22] you can make more directories. [12:22] well i suppose that is good enough for goverment work lol [12:22] thank man [12:22] or you could mount it with more options. But i recommend putting your stuff in a subfolder. it's the easiest and best way imho. === ^jude^ [~Jude@cpc5-nthc1-4-0-cust79.nrth.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:22] you did what no one else seemed to be able to do ^_^ [12:23] <^jude^> hi - can anyone tell me how to restart apache2?? [12:23] you rock ^_^ [12:23] :) === nxv_ [~matrix@dsl-084-056-085-089.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:23] will i be able to change the name of the folder? [12:23] ^jude^: from the commandline 'sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 restart' [12:23] <^jude^> hi foamy - gamecat here on a bnox with no nickserv password :) [12:23] <^jude^> uniq: ta m8 [12:23] oh hey jude [12:24] church_of_foamy: sure, you can change the name from the commandline with 'sudo mv oldname newname' === ^jude^ is running kubuntu on his powerbook :D [12:24] kk [12:24] nice. i'm on a ibook :) [12:24] i will do that as soon as i get the 34 gigs of crap back on the drive ^_^ [12:25] i so want and i book [12:25] they look so nice [12:25] <^jude^> mac hardware+free software=lovely system [12:25] i'll take an alienware laptop over an ibook [12:25] i wish i could afford either [12:26] <^jude^> I'm not an ibook fan either, but this powerbook is just gorgeous, as a piece of engineering [12:26] mac stuff usually is good [12:26] in that respect [12:26] <^jude^> foamy: me too - i got a new job and decided to treat myself on the cc :) [12:26] altho i think them switching to an intel cpu is kinda dumb though [12:26] nice [12:27] ug 1hour till transfer is done >.< [12:27] <^jude^> i can't figure that intel thing either - but i doubt it'll be "any intel" [12:28] i hope not seeing as mac cpu's where vastly faster than anything intell put out [12:28] which worries me about the quality of mac now [12:28] is a psudo mac fan [12:29] they aren't that great, if anything they are heavily overpriced [12:30] <^jude^> having just bought one, i boviously disagree :) [12:30] <^jude^> if only i could type [12:31] a barebones iMac G5 is 1600+ tax here [12:31] <^jude^> where are you? [12:31] canada === ^jude^ is a uk body [12:31] not american! [12:32] <^jude^> hell no [12:32] that point has to be stressed ;p [12:32] <^jude^> hehe [12:32] you lucky buggers [12:32] <^jude^> powerbook was 1400UKP [12:32] i'm stuck in this shit hole of a country [12:32] not bad [12:32] >.< [12:32] <^jude^> whatever that is in your money, eh [12:33] 12 inch? 15? [12:33] <^jude^> 15 [12:33] <^jude^> 512/80/combo drive [12:33] 1 sec i'll do a currency conversion lol [12:33] <^jude^> might not be a bad plan - i reckon us lot get ripped off === flashnet [~flashnet@dsl-53.230-90.indo.net.id] has joined #kubuntu [12:35] ggg [12:35] wow thats like 3000 cdn lol [12:35] <^jude^> see what i mean :/ [12:36] we always get the shaft though [12:36] <^jude^> my view is that if I'm happy with what I've got then the price was fair :) [12:37] imagine the alienware setup you could get for that much though ;) [12:38] <^jude^> it wouldn't be built the way this one is [12:38] <^jude^> i've seen a few of their machines [12:38] so fast, i wish i could get one [12:38] <^jude^> (not recently I'll admit) [12:46] <^jude^> I'm offski, see you later [12:47] can somebody take a look on my error? http://phpfi.com/68492 === unome [~unome@ool-4351863e.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:50] qos_: try to install libx11-dev [12:52] i already did, but thx. any other ideas? [12:52] xlibs-dev maybe. [12:54] hmm, same error after installing them .. === pdg [~pablo@milano.ics.uci.edu] has joined #kubuntu [12:56] <_hippie> how to change appearance of taskbar? [12:56] so ... no ideas left ;( [12:56] take a look in the control center ... === Fraeon [kzer-za@85-194-204-72.wlannet.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:02] Could Krita users tell me if it misses some vital features Gimp has like channels and so on? === HillTop [~chatzilla@cpe-66-75-240-213.san.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:02] And I just would like some plain comments about it in general === unome [~unome@ool-4351863e.dyn.optonline.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === DrDogwelder [~tim@mail.wlpl.org] has joined #kubuntu === unome [~unome@ool-4351863e.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #kubuntu === wincide [~tricoma@151.Red-83-40-247.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:19] fraeon: last time i tried it it was a little unstable. i'm no graphics guy but i got my simple things done. === scotdb [~scotdb@scotdb.sustaining.supporter.pdpc] has joined #kubuntu [01:25] Why does my /etc/resolv.conf file keep getting changed ? Can I turn this off ? === _mike [~mike@adsl-66-122-245-17.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu === _mike is now known as sdfginsdifnsigns [01:26] scotdb: probably because you're running dhclient [01:26] or somehow getting dhcp [01:26] hi, um how would i install a .sh file [01:26] sdfginsdifnsigns: you don't -- .sh is a shell script -- you execute it [01:26] probably an installer [01:26] godsmoke, how would i do that [01:27] how would i execute it === sdfginsdifnsigns is now known as MikeStyle [01:27] make sure it has execution permissions ("chmod +x FILENAME") -- then just type it's path and filename ("./FILENAME" if you're in the same directory) [01:27] godsmoke, i have no idea how to do what you just said [01:28] I just told you EXACTLY how to do it [01:28] that's why I put the commands there [01:28] godsmoke : let me check that [01:29] scotdb: it's about the only reason it should be changing [01:29] yes : got it in one [01:29] (automatically, that is) [01:29] huh? === Heart_ [~jzdgc@p549C014D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu === cies [~cies@k28152.upc-k.chello.nl] has joined #kubuntu [01:30] So now I have to work out how to stop dhclient3 from starting automagically [01:30] well ... do you USE dhcp on your network? === jpoa [~jpoa@bl5-42-240.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #kubuntu [01:30] if you do -- then you need to run it === jpoa is now known as Zhukov [01:30] hi [01:30] godsmoke, i did what you just said and it didnt do anything [01:31] MikeStyle: I don't know what that means [01:31] you have to be more specific [01:31] ive just installed [01:31] i typed the commands [01:31] ok [01:31] godsmoke : not on this box (my web server / mail server / etc) I want to be static [01:31] and i just got invalid filename [01:31] then you executed the script [01:31] .... [01:31] YOU HAVE TO TYPE THE FILENAME [01:31] Maybe just deinstall ? [01:31] i DID [01:31] kubuntu, to give it a try (ubuntu user), aind i cant configure the wireless connetion no matter what i do!! [01:31] scotdb: god no ... [01:31] scotdb: edit /etc/network/interfaces [01:32] Zhukov: what specifically isn't working? [01:32] it just doesn grab an ip [01:32] cable all fine, gnome all fine [01:32] kde nothing [01:32] Zhukov: you have to TELL it to grab an ip [01:33] after you tell it which network to connect to [01:33] godsmoke: i know [01:33] all set up [01:33] KDE/Gnome should have nothing to do with this whatsoever [01:33] don't use any graphical tools [01:33] that's not the proper way to configure a network interface [01:33] godsmoke: sudo ifuo and iwconfig here [01:33] *ifup [01:33] ok -- well, kde has absolutely nothing to do with that [01:33] well, ill just try it again... [01:33] absolutely nothing -- let me be very clear about that [01:33] yes I saw that deinstalling dhcp client would remove ubuntu-base : not a good idea [01:34] ;-) [01:34] The thing I keep wondering is what the change in the kernel was that requires people to activate homepna manually when distros with earlier versions of it have it enabled by default. :P [01:34] scotdb: well -- it wouldn't fix the problem either [01:34] So I'm in the interfaces file === _hippie [~hippie@pc-200-74-48-60.trinidad1.pc.metropolis-inter.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:34] scotdb: change it to your needs [01:34] set the ips, take it off dhcp config [01:34] godsmoke: i dont understant this too ;D I could hardly believe, but my wireless card isnt an kde fan... :D maybe i misstyped something. [01:35] uh, ok [01:35] godsmoke : I already did : I set - [01:35] iface eth0 inet static [01:35] address 192.168.1.2 [01:35] netmask 255.255.255.0 === _hippie [~hippie@pc-200-74-48-60.trinidad1.pc.metropolis-inter.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:35] ok [01:35] then you're done [01:35] which I thought would stop dhcp [01:35] ifdown [01:35] ifup [01:36] networking restart and resolv.conf has changed again !!! [01:37] then you didn't do it correctly [01:37] scotdb: try this sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf [01:38] this will lock youre file [01:38] unless you're using reiserfs [01:39] Zhukov : that's a bit harsh. And isn't it dangerous ? [01:39] scotdb: no [01:39] i use it every time :D router here [01:39] that's a nonsense solution [01:40] godsmoke: the only one with some routers [01:40] no ... [01:40] your computer has 100% control over its acceptance of dns servers [01:40] scotdb: if you need to change the dns for a specific network, just sudo chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf and let the network do the rest :D [01:41] godsmoke: some routers have conflicts with 2.6 kernels [01:41] that doesn't make any sense [01:41] the kernel doesn't control the file [01:41] they lock, for example 192.168.1.1 as the DNS server (router ip) and they cant go on. They just sit there and only after a wile they resolv it [01:42] that's a dhcp process === ..[topic/#Kubuntu:Riddell] : Congrats to seth_k on membership | Kubuntu help channel | Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de/ | KOffice 1.4 http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice-14.php | KDE 3.4.1 http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php/ [01:44] ok I've edited resolv.conf again and restarted network : it is still OK. I'll see how long it lasts [01:45] unless you've told your computer to run a dhcp client ... it won't [01:45] that's 100% fact [01:45] so assuming you made proper modifications to your interfaces file, there should be no problem === _jpoa [~jpoa@bl5-46-80.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #kubuntu [01:50] I think I have the answer : when originally set up dhcp was used. Unless you kill dhclient it will continue to run even if you change interfaces and bounce the network [01:51] not if you ifdown the network === douglas [~douglas@dpc6745164251.direcpc.com] has joined #kubuntu === wincide [~tricoma@151.Red-83-40-247.pooles.rima-tde.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === jpoa_ [~jpoa@bl5-46-80.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #kubuntu [01:53] Anytime I plug my system into a different monitor it always starts xorg in 640x480 and I can't go any higher than that unless I plug my machine into the original monitor I installed kubuntu with? === virgule [~virgule@modemcable066.0-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #kubuntu [02:04] hi === mcquaid [mcquaid@toronto-hs-216-138-233-79.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #kubuntu [02:07] hello, is there any way to get hotkeys working? [02:08] try alt+f2 'khotkeys' and press enter. [02:08] to restart khotkeys. [02:08] sometimes it dies without a good reason. [02:10] heh alt f2 actually does nothing for me [02:10] but running it in a term i get: [02:10] ERROR: Communication problem with khotkeys, it probably crashed. === KaiL [KaiL@p548F6FFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:15] mcquaid: ah. stupid me, alt+f2 is a hotkey :| [02:16] mcquaid: restarting kde does not help? do you have the latest kde? (3.4.1) [02:16] nope and yep [02:16] it runs fine for you? [02:16] yes, it does. [02:17] hmm [02:17] i searched the forums and others have the prob but no resolution [02:17] i thought everyone actually had it [02:17] what package provides khotkeys? [02:17] i don't think everyone have the problem, i've never heard of it in here before. [02:18] kdebase-bin [02:18] provides khotkeys. [02:18] k [02:18] just wanted to ensure that somehow i didn't have version 3.4 of that [02:19] or err well you know what i mean [02:19] you -can- try to install kdebase-dev i can see there is one file provided by kdebase-dev that could be needed. even though i don't think it shluld be used. [02:19] i'm on a deadly slow internet connection, else i would have tested my self. === KaiL [KaiL@p548F63C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:20] can't see how a dev would help but here goes [02:20] it shouldn't be needed. [02:20] nope no change [02:20] but it provides libkdeinit_khotkeys.la [02:21] did you try to restart khotkeys after installing the -dev? [02:21] yes [02:21] no dice? [02:22] nope [02:22] same error [02:22] i installed 3.4 from the official reps and then added 3.4.1 and upgraded [02:22] should work. [02:22] works for me, and i presume most others. [02:23] if it didn't help you can safely remove kdebase-dev then :) [02:23] now i actually used the meta pkg kde-core instead of kubuntu desktop to save some space [02:23] already did ;0 [02:23] i wonder if kde-core misses something that khotkeys needs? [02:24] i woudln't think so tough === _esher [esher@online.with.eth0.ws] has joined #kubuntu [02:25] don't think it does. === _esher is now known as esher [02:26] well, if there is no bugreport, please make one. references to forum threads if others have the same problems are much appreciated. [02:27] I have to go to bed now.. almost 02:30. [02:27] gnite. [02:27] will do [02:27] thx for the help [02:28] Riddell :D [02:28] ping === stisev [~no@64-121-92-140.c3-0.sfo-ubr1.sfrn-sfo.ca.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:30] Hi all [02:30] heh [02:30] /ctcp === phunky [cgs1000@212.44.26.66] has joined #kubuntu === judax [~judax@ppp-69-148-18-161.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu === _mike [~mike@adsl-66-122-245-17.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:36] <_mike> hey guys, when i do sudo apt-get install setiathome it says the package isnt in temp and when it trys to install it gets a sub process error === natas [~natas@ip68-102-84-147.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:39] Why can't I log in as root? [02:39] can I change it so that I can log in as root? [02:40] can somebody help me? [02:41] <_mike> no one wants to seem to help right now... [02:41] [02:41] /msg nickserv register === boga [~judith@CPE0011095f2041-CM00e06f240dd8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:43] how can I make Kubuntu see my camera as an external device? When I connect via USB, nothing happens. [02:47] boga: depending on the camera it a) might not be supported, b) might need special drivers, or c) it might need to be manually configured === pdg [~pablo@milano.ics.uci.edu] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === boga [~judith@CPE0011095f2041-CM00e06f240dd8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:48] godsmoke: At least the automounting of a USB device should work...then configuring would be another matter. [02:49] godsmoke: the problem is: Nothing happens! [02:49] depends on the camera [02:49] well it's a Nokia 5900 CoolPix! [02:49] good for you [02:50] sorry! Nikon === asd [~asd@p548B7985.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === internat [~internat@dare.to.play.on.our-lan.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:59] ok well im having problems with my sound, i just inistalled kubuntu, the module is apparently loaded snd_emu10k1x 18084 0 [02:59] but i get no sound [02:59] suggestions? [03:01] anyone? === Heart_2 [~jzdgc@p549C3A38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu === ChurcH_of_FoamY [~kisain@24-177-160-171.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] === flashnet [~flashnet@dsl-53.230-90.indo.net.id] has joined #kubuntu [03:15] hhhii === flashnet is now known as l1nux_friend [03:15] any one can help === _chris_ [~chris@c-24-128-118-226.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:15] i use kubuntu [03:15] just ask :) [03:15] we're all here to help you [03:15] but my logitech web cam [03:16] can't work [03:17] hhiii seth [03:17] u can help me === MindKiller [~chris@c-24-128-118-226.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:17] what model of webcam is it? [03:17] do you receive any errors or does it just not work? [03:17] and what program are you trying to use it with? [03:18] logitech quick expres [03:18] gyach [03:18] like yahoo messenger [03:18] u know gyach === _hippie [~hippie@pc-200-74-48-60.trinidad1.pc.metropolis-inter.com] has joined #kubuntu [03:18] ok [03:19] i try to control center [03:19] I'm not even seeing webcams as a supported feature of gyach. Does it even let you use them? [03:20] so ? [03:20] what program can i use [03:20] there is very little webcam support on Linux right now [03:20] oke [03:20] Gaim-vv is the closest we have to usable support [03:20] but 1.2.0 is not very new [03:21] Kopete is also starting to have rudimentary support [03:21] and there will be good support in KDE 3.5 [03:21] but right now, maybe something like GnomeMeeting? [03:22] but my web cam logitech,, can they support my cam [03:22] oke ,,, i try [03:22] just moment === wirwzd [~wirwzd@c-24-218-115-209.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:23] l1inux_friend, you will need to look here: http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/ [03:24] oke [03:24] but tbh if you're a new Linux user, I'd advise to switch back into windows when you want to use webcam, and spend time learning about the other features of Linux for now [03:24] Hardware support is getting better, but it is not there yet [03:25] oke i just compile that file [03:25] noo.... i hate windows [03:25] linux is fun [03:26] oh iya [03:26] how about movie player support .wav [03:27] u know what program is [03:28] ok well im having problems with my sound, i just inistalled kubuntu, the module is apparently loaded snd_emu10k1x 18084 0.. but i still have no sound.. anyone? === moshe [~moshe@ool-18bab1e4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #kubuntu === moshe [~moshe@ool-18bab1e4.dyn.optonline.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [03:35] ah man msn service is broke again === mattr [~matt@mattr.kde] has joined #kubuntu [03:36] hi [03:37] normally, adding .desktop files to /usr/share/xsessions adds the session to the menu. However, my new session isn't being added. something different that i need to do? === mikec [~mcooper@vindaloo.connections.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu === markc [~admin@220.245.107.188] has joined #kubuntu [03:42] are there any channels or mailing-lists for those trying out breezy ? the latest Xorg is broken === dutch [~dutch@cpe-065-190-182-028.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [03:55] markc, what error do you get? [03:56] most can be fixed [03:56] (I use breezy on two computers) [03:57] how is it shaping up btw? [03:58] ever so nicely [03:58] NetworkManager is going to rock so hard [03:59] mostly for the wireless roaming and network swapping [04:00] markc: which error? [04:00] it's a little rough right now because they just switched to the 2.6.12 kernel [04:01] KaiL, he went idle 15+ minutes ago, so gone for now [04:01] I had a problem here too (/usr/bin/X11/X missing), which was quite easy to fix [04:01] maybe he's only making a pizza :) === Heart_ [~jzdgc@p549C2A9C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [04:02] mm pizza [04:02] cheeseburger pizza with the bacon on it [04:04] gimmie [04:04] now [04:05] its so good i dunno if you can get it like that there [04:05] where are you? [04:05] then theres a taco one that will light your ass on fire [04:05] canada [04:05] ah [04:05] canadian 2 4 1 is where i get my pizzas [04:07] if you opened one wherever you are, you'd be rich :P === Jeezis [~roger@4.23.231.95] has joined #kubuntu [04:12] haha [04:12] maybe like the "Empenadas Argentinas" I ate at in Mexico [04:12] I would be richer than sabdfl if I sold those here [04:13] never heard of them but if they are spicy i'm game === apollo2011 [~apollo201@69.37.226.192.adsl.snet.net] has joined #kubuntu === BROKEN_LADDER [~pral@h-69-3-236-189.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #KUBUNTU === ztonzy [~ztonzy@ztonzy.artist.blender] has joined #kubuntu === Mestapheles [~Captain@d142-179-138-139.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #kubuntu === dlr_ [~dlr@adsl-152-194-38.mco.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:45] hey guys === incubii [incubii@203.35.155.131] has joined #kubuntu [04:51] hi dlr_ === incubii [incubii@203.35.155.131] has joined #kubuntu === Jeezis00 [~roger@jeezis.user] has joined #kubuntu === Jeezis00 is now known as Jeezis === ChurcH_of_FoamY [~kisain@24-177-160-171.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu === ChurcH_of_FoamY [~kisain@24-177-160-171.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] === Heart_ [~jzdgc@p549C2A9C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [05:08] this chat is dead [05:08] :( [05:08] apt-get moo! [05:11] get used to it, its almost always this way [05:12] i usually join #ubuntu or #debian === seth_k ops self and kicks random people to get things moving :P [05:12] and then i promptly get told "wrong OS" [05:12] hehe [05:12] lol [05:13] #ubuntu they shouldn't be saying that lol [05:13] i know [05:13] lol [05:13] unless it's a KDE question, but meh [05:13] gnome blows chunks [05:13] which is rare [05:13] you know it [05:13] oh i hate gnome [05:13] i love gentoo [05:13] both stink :P [05:13] go xfce ;p [05:13] but it NeeDS AN INSTALLeR!!!!!!!!!! [05:13] never tried it tbh [05:13] xpde? [05:13] i tried, um, fluxbox? [05:13] anyone tried that? [05:13] that sucka [05:14] fluxbox is good [05:14] anytime i install now, its straight up Xubuntu [05:14] is that for the xbox? [05:14] like xebian? [05:14] no [05:14] its xfce + ubuntu [05:14] nice and slim [05:15] meh, I have 200GB [05:15] I can waste 500MB on KDE :D [05:15] oh i don't care about the HD space, memory i care about though ;) [05:15] i have 80 GB [05:15] true that [05:15] and a 160GB external [05:15] and a 60GB ipod [05:15] and you have to admit both kde and gnome are bloaty [05:15] and tons of media [05:15]