=== lilo [lilo@levin-pdpc.staff.freenode] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:03] Mez: good point === lilo looks in [12:03] welcome lilo [12:04] mako, lead us ! [12:04] heh [12:04] umm.. [12:04] ok [12:04] hey lilo, i'll ping you when we get to your agenda topic [12:04] sabdfl: thank you! [12:04] silbs, you around? [12:04] mako: yes [12:04] silbs asked to handle the art team first [12:04] FTR: I'm Martin Meredith [12:04] which, i think makese sense === sabdfl is Mark Shuttleworth [12:04] so yes [12:04] everyone should state their name for the record/log [12:04] OliverGrawert === \sh is Stephan Hermann === Seveas aka Dennis Kaarsemaker [12:04] <-- Matthew East === Mez is Martin Meredith === seth_k is Seth Kinast === smurfix is Matthias Urlichs === mako is Benjamin Mako Hill === silbs is Jane Silber === lamont__ is LaMont Jones [12:05] <-- Barry deFreese [12:05] <-- Josh Kress === nalioth is Marek Spruell [12:05] elmo sends apologies, he is mid-move with no net access [12:05] my suggestion is to do the art team first and then to go back to the new maintainers and the rest in order === uniq is Frode Doeving [12:05] ok, ArtworkTeam [12:06] right [12:06] silbs: want to give us the few-sentance version? [12:06] mako: you mean new Members not maintainers right ? [12:06] there has been interest in having an artwork team. The purpose is outlined on the wiki page ArtTeam [12:06] Mez, new maint. is not CC business [12:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtTeam [12:06] I took the initiative to suggest some short term goals [12:07] awesome idea [12:07] 6-7 members were already signed up, but the team has never had formal approval from the CC [12:07] there's a lot of community interest in artwork generally [12:07] Seveas, my point exavtly, mako said new Maintainers :D === mvo is michael vogt (and late) [12:07] will the art team save the Ubuntu calendar? [12:07] Seveas: yes! [12:07] +1 from me then [12:07] ;) [12:07] ++ [12:08] one of the goals (is the team accepts it) should be that the art team makes calendar wallpapers [12:08] i have one small question [12:08] there are a couple of names already [12:08] andyfitz is working on icons, but needs community direction === mdz [~mdz@host217-37-231-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:08] mdke: shoot [12:08] when the april fool gdm screen happened, i got some complaints from people who were running ubuntu in their business [12:08] i'm a (imnsho) relatively good photographer so I would like to join the team for wallpapers [12:08] silbs: andyfitz is not on the list of members.. is that just an oversite? [12:08] that is artwork related right? does anyone have any views? [12:09] <\sh> mdke: u mean with the 3 *sses? [12:09] volvoguy has done quite a bit of work, and is interested in the team [12:09] mdke, Hoary was not released back then, businesses should not have used it [12:09] mdke: i think that's a sepereate issue we should maybe addres between now and next april.. but maybe not now [12:09] Seveas: it was accidentally uploaded to warty too [12:09] mako, fair enough [12:09] mako: the list was a self-sign up thing. I didn't add any of those names. I've spoken to Andy, who has already been working on icons. He was psyched about the idea of a team and more input on the icons === mako nods to silbs [12:09] ok, that's what i suspected [12:09] i suspect there are some other folks not on that list that would also be interested [12:10] so that we have a point of contact, i'd like to nominate volvoguy as a short-term leader, for six months [12:10] because Kamion wasn't sure if he coul dmake the mtg, I spoke to him about this earlier. He was concerned about a leader for the team. [12:10] my main concern with new teams is that i don't want to create unnecessary divisions and buerocracy or empty teams [12:10] silbs: did you receive a response from volvoguy? [12:10] the suggestion was that we ask someone to lead for a temp period (say 6 months), and then let the team pick their own leader. [12:10] after six months we can review that, and choose someone based on the feelings of the team as it has emerged over that period [12:10] it sounds like in this team, a team would be a good catalyst and organizational structure for continued work === smurfix thinks it's a very good idea, and not just because he wants the calendar back ;) [12:11] do we have a mailing list for them? [12:11] mako++ [12:11] I asked Aaron Waite (sp?, volvoguy) if he would be willing to lead on a temp basis. volvoguy has been very active with artwork stuff. [12:11] i feel sure that the team would attract contributors after being set up, lots of people are interested in artwork === mako nods to silbs [12:11] sabdfl: we have a list ready to go - not announced yet. Was waiting for CC approval [12:11] sabdfl: what was kamion concerned about? [12:12] I like the docteam approach for handling contributions: a few people with repository access and a mailing list for contributions [12:12] is there a reason we would not want to start with a team secretary/contact ala locoteams instead and then let the team decide over a few months what they want/need? [12:12] <\sh> actually, artwork needs to be approved by tb or cc because it concerns the whole distri *mypoint* [12:12] Maybe the artwork team should use that too [12:12] mako: Kamion was concerned about having a leader/contact person/coordinator/secretary [12:12] mako, cool idea [12:12] Seveas, cool idea too [12:12] mako++ (again :)) [12:12] \sh: quite honestly, i don't have an interest in approving all artwork? [12:12] <\sh> mako: no...but the way to go [12:13] silbs: i'd like one too, but we've been burned by this before.. i'd prefer the contact/secretary (which we need) and then we let the team decide if they need/want more [12:13] mako, I think that the artteam should do that [12:13] <\sh> it's a window to the world, how we're presenting ubuntu to the world [12:13] and that the CC should approve only the final artwork per release [12:13] \sh: i think we should trust teh team to do the work and then get involved when there is problem [12:13] mako: so you support the creation of an official team? [12:13] so I don't have an answer from volveguy yet, but I propose that if he is willing then he start with that coordinator/secretary/whatever role (on a temp basis, till team gets rolling) [12:13] <\sh> mako: i would ++ Seveas point ... [12:14] mdz: yes [12:14] mdz: absolutely [12:14] Creative minds work better when combined [12:14] agreed that it should be a temp appointment, and subject to review at six months or sooner if it doesn't work [12:14] mako, but thats what you look at the next six months.... i would like to see that it is accepted by a broad majority of our users before release [12:14] but volvoguys has been committed and active [12:15] artwork is an area which needs some initiative; the creation of a team would help to organize the ambition which is already forming in the community [12:15] ++ for volovoguy [12:15] ogra: yes, getting things out there for preview *is* important [12:15] mdz, but agreement form the community should still be required... [12:15] <\sh> ok...++ for team + artwork + after 6 months a majority vote on the work [12:16] 3 months this time, artwork deadline is end of september... [12:16] 6 months was for leader appointment [12:16] Seveas, it should be public some time before [12:16] sabdfl: so, there's consensus to form the team [12:16] ok, so there are three proposals in front of the cc [12:17] sabdfl: thanks.. i'm trying to sort out what we're deciding here [12:17] <\sh> silbs: can u prepare a fitting artwork (icons etc.) for gnome+kde? [12:17] let's hear from everyone, +1 or -1 or 0 on each oh these: [12:17] - setting up an artwork team, and asking volvoguy to coordinate for the first six months === mako nods [12:17] +1 [12:17] <\sh> +1 [12:17] +1 [12:17] +1 If I get a vote yet. :-) [12:17] +1 [12:17] +1 [12:17] +1 [12:18] +1 [12:18] +1 [12:18] +1 [12:18] er... [12:18] that should do it then, kamion was +1 too [12:18] +1 [12:18] ;) [12:18] i'd prefer that we stayed away from "leading" but, it's mostly semantic.. i think there's an important responsiblity to be filled and i think he's the guy to do it [12:18] :) [12:18] SPOC ! [12:18] mako, :) [12:18] mako - thats why he said coordinate not lead :D [12:18] ok - thanks guys [12:18] (single point of contact !) [12:18] next! [12:18] if volvoguy doesn't have time or can't for some reason, is there anyone here who would like that coordinator role? [12:19] Mez: liike i said, it's semantic [12:19] ;)P [12:19] <\sh> silbs: u? ,-) [12:19] silbs, Andy Fitzsimon perhaps? [12:19] silbs, i'm available for packaging [12:19] \sh: nope, not me. No artistic talent at all :) [12:19] ogra: could you add yourself as the technical contact for artwork packaging? [12:19] <\sh> silbs: coordinating != painting ;) [12:19] sabdfl, sure :) [12:20] i'd like to lurk/follow the team as well [12:20] looking at pretty pictures > reading more emails [12:20] <\sh> mako: hahaha [12:20] heh [12:20] sabdfl: you said there were three issues [12:20] <\sh> mako: i have a lot ;) [12:20] mako: i could send you the raw files for the original calendar? [12:20] sabdfl: but your breakdown isn't the same as mine apparently.. was was 2/3 [12:20] would think there'd a list to lurk [12:21] sabdfl: DUDE, you have those?! [12:21] sabdfl: mako@ubuntu.com [12:21] mako: that's because i can't count [12:21] sabdfl: ok, so we've done three already? === Seveas rofl @ mako [12:21] mako: yes, and yes ;-) [12:21] awesome [12:21] so, next? === \sh grabs a new beer [12:21] silbs: alright, you win [12:22] mako: thanks :) [12:22] silbs: what do you need from us? an announcement? [12:22] silbs: you have the list, etc.. anything else? [12:22] mako: can we add UbuntuSpatial to the agenda, please? [12:22] mako: the mailing list already exists; it needs CC endorsement ;-) [12:22] sabdfl++ [12:22] mdz: that's done [12:23] sabdfl, UbuntuSpatial ? [12:23] sabdfl: for this meeting? [12:23] mako: the list (ubuntu-art) is ready. proposed goals are on the wiki. Would like to talk to volvoguy, then we just need an announcement. I can coordinate that with you tomorrow === mako gets another beer [12:23] can someone poke me when member candidates come up? [12:23] the opportunity for me to prostrate myself before the wizards of Gnome and ask forgiveness for that particular error [12:23] <\sh> ogra: raeumlich :) [12:23] Mez, yes [12:23] Mez, ack [12:23] <\sh> ogra: regional :) [12:23] sabdfl: ok === mako puts the beer back [12:23] \sh, yes... === mdke looks around for wizards [12:24] silbs: sounds perfect [12:24] mako: i've already had mine for the evening :-) [12:24] mdke: yes? [12:24] haha [12:24] ok, member candidates? [12:24] silbs: i am giving two talks tomorrow but should be around enough to coordinate [12:24] sabdfl: yes [12:24] Mez, poke [12:24] ok.. not everyone was here === \sh had 6 but anyways...member business [12:24] pvaneynd? [12:24] PeterVanEynde ? [12:25] not this week? [12:25] i mailed him [12:25] hehe :D [12:25] JeanRemyFalleri ? [12:25] about being more visible in MOTU === ogra hast seen him since he opened hs lisp team [12:25] no luck. [12:25] tseng, ogra: next time :) [12:25] yep [12:25] JRe? [12:25] more luck with Jean Remy ? [12:26] sad he's missing.. kubuntu would be happy [12:26] who was here last time IIRC [12:26] ogra: kubuntu can be happy next time [12:26] didnt JRe get passed last week ? [12:26] <\sh> yeah..jre is a nice add [12:26] wasn't he approved..? [12:26] hmm.... [12:26] he was approved last time with me [12:26] yep... [12:26] i think we asked to come back in two weeks === mako boggles [12:26] hmm [12:26] nope Mako - you approved him === Seveas does a quick vgrep on logs [12:26] same as me :D [12:26] he did the packaging guide [12:26] mako, hmm, i think Mez is right... === mako looks and realizes you are right [12:26] yes, yes, i have it on my list === Kamion arrives belatedly [12:27] <\sh> jre is member [12:27] welcome Kamion [12:27] https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/ubuntumembers/+members [12:27] hi Kamion :) [12:27] he's in approved on there mako [12:27] <\sh> he wasn't motu [12:27] hey Kamion! grab a beer [12:27] or a coffee := [12:27] <\sh> he isn't motu better to say [12:27] :) [12:27] well, no CoC yet, but he's approved [12:27] Kamion: good evening [12:27] someone tell the man to send me a signed CoC [12:27] a lemsip in my case [12:27] <\sh> mako: i will poke him and advise him [12:27] alright, lets move on [12:27] but he's in the member group in launchpad [12:27] kinjoo: DUDE [12:27] I#m here [12:28] so, here's the deal [12:28] you should give us a few sentances of what you've done for ubuntu [12:28] being in the member group doesnt mean member - just approved [12:28] and then a sentance or so about hwere you want to see the project go [12:28] OK! [12:28] and what you want to do to take it there [12:29] Mez, ok... not that logical tho ;) [12:29] Well, I think the most important I've done so far: [12:29] Promoting Ubuntu at my dorm [12:29] and at LinuxTag [12:29] which rocked! [12:29] awesome [12:29] mdke: I think the approved bit = added as approved memebr and when you sign a CoC you get karma added on launchpad [12:30] <\sh> nice..next year I will visit the linuxtag ;) [12:30] /whois kinjoo [12:30] I've talked to a lot of University members [12:30] Kamion: ;-) [12:30] JoshKress? [12:30] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JoshKress [12:30] mdz: (intentional) [12:30] yes Kamion [12:30] <\sh> yes [12:30] Kamion, [12:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JoshKress [12:30] They'd be happy to help spread ubuntu [12:30] grmpf [12:30] Kamion: yes [12:30] kinjoo, do you cooperate with ubuntuusers.de? [12:30] <\sh> kinjoo: u mentioned on your wiki page: "Writing a book about ubuntu" [12:30] kinjoo did *serious* work to make ubuntu at linuxtag a success [12:30] he was also at mataro [12:30] The future: Ubuntu should rule the world ;-) [12:31] mako, yes, he snores :) [12:31] <\sh> kinjoo: u mean o'reilly germany, in cologne? [12:31] there was a book published in german, was that yours kinjoo ? [12:31] yes I had a long phone call this morning [12:31] <\sh> kinjoo: u will write, or u wrote? [12:31] mdke, you mean the book from kofler ? [12:31] mdke: no this was Kofler's [12:31] <\sh> ah... [12:31] ah right [12:31] I write a new one [12:32] <\sh> so especially ubuntu is covered? [12:32] wil be GNU FDL [12:32] kinjoo: :) [12:32] coo [12:32] l [12:32] <\sh> kinjoo++ :) [12:32] to include it to Ubuntu === Seveas thinks: become a member when the book is done :) [12:32] kinjoo has done great work promoting ubuntu and playing a major leadership role in the german ubuntu loco presence [12:32] <\sh> kinjoo: can u get in contact with sebastian for php includes for ubuntu? ,-) [12:32] kinjoo: fantastic work in Linux Tag, btw [12:32] will be german first, then hopefully english (depends on OReilyy USA) [12:33] sabdfl: Thanks! [12:33] i appreciated his work at LT and enjoyed the kebap i ate with him on the way to the trainstation [12:33] so, CC, yes, or defer, to kinjoo membership in the ubuntu project? [12:33] mako: ;-) [12:33] kinjoo++ [12:33] ++ [12:33] (but i have never meat a kebab i didn't enjoy) [12:33] <\sh> kinjoo: ++ [12:33] kinjoo, if you like you can help the Documentation Team, just give us an email :D [12:33] ++ from me [12:33] kinjoo++ [12:33] <\sh> mako: come to kerpen ;) [12:33] kinjoo ++ for membership [12:33] past advocacy work definitely qualifies imho [12:33] Kamion: ? [12:34] mdke: certainly! [12:34] kinjoo, that would be great, we are working on a number of books right now, you can see the list at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects [12:34] <\sh> kinjoo: if you have a meeting here in cologne with the o'reilly guys, give me a call to sign keys and have a beer :) [12:34] brb [12:35] \sh: cool, I call u [12:35] <\sh> kinjoo: would be nice, if we can get sebastian bergmann, to work with us on ubuntu php or something...but he is involved right now in gentoo :( [12:35] ubuntu php? [12:35] seveas ++ [12:35] <\sh> kinjoo: but I think to get some contacts at o'reilly ping him and greetings from me [12:36] i'm guessing colin / kamion is afk right now [12:36] (or should that be +?) [12:36] +1 from me for kinjoo [12:36] \sh: I will talk to him! [12:36] i have a casting vote, which i'll use here to welcome kinjoo aboard [12:36] <\sh> kinjoo: welcome on board :) if it's working u rock dude [12:36] welcome kinjoo ! [12:36] sabdfl, well done :) [12:36] congrats kinjoo [12:37] kinjoo> +1 [12:37] kinjoo: thanks again for your advocacy [12:37] Thank you, guys! [12:37] Kamion: phew :-) [12:37] sorry for lag, I'm catching up elsewhere [12:37] kinjoo, welcome [12:37] <\sh> hahah [12:37] np [12:37] <\sh> guys: ubuntu php is only an idea :) [12:37] alright [12:37] Kamion: you vector. i'm bunged up this eve [12:37] next up! [12:37] nalioth [12:37] lets move on [12:37] MarekSpruell [12:37] marek spruell? === Mez hands sabdfl some nasal spray [12:38] sabdfl: d'oh :-/ [12:38] nalioth [12:38] nalioth: around? [12:38] howdy [12:38] <\sh> nalioth: u r not a member? [12:38] i had to work during last cc [12:38] last week he got the 2-week-notice [12:38] nalioth, so how is UbuntuNUN going ? [12:38] in the meat world [12:38] nalitoh got put off for 2 weeks and missed last one [12:38] Kamion: sabdfl is trying to transmit your pathology to me [12:38] ogra: beat me to it] === mako nods [12:38] mdz: I don't want to know [12:39] Kamion, new users network [12:39] Kamion: easy, tiger [12:39] nalioth: want to do the intro to your work and your vision? [12:39] i have been working with Mez and Seveas concerning the NUN [12:39] ubuntuNUN is still in early stages, nalioth and /me are working on specs and things [12:39] ogra: yeah, I know, that's why I was about to ask about it too [12:39] oi and me Seveas ! [12:39] have been pointing prospective 'mentors' to the sign-up page [12:39] but i've been a tad busy myself so it god delayed on my side [12:39] Kamion, yes, i just remembered you dislike of abbrev. [12:39] <\sh> NUN is ruling da world [12:40] NuN will be great, nalioth is doing good IRC work too [12:40] <\sh> I just saw seveas and others answering a lot of questions lately [12:40] i help out quite a bit in #ubuntu with the "new" new user questions [12:40] is there a URL for this NuN thing? [12:40] for anyone who's interested: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/unp/+members [12:40] <\sh> and nalioth is doing good work as well [12:40] got a wiki page ? [12:40] found it === sabdfl likes the LP usage :-) === Seveas wants nalioth as member and definitely as IRCop in #ubuntu, we lack US based active ops [12:40] ogra: still in developemtn [12:40] NewUserNetwork <- ogra [12:40] <\sh> hope u get rid of those stupid "Newbie" stuff ;) [12:40] mdke, thanks :) [12:40] sabdfl, you gave me the idea to use it :D [12:41] <\sh> my idea actually [12:41] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserNetwork [12:41] \sh what was your idea? [12:41] <\sh> mez: NUN [12:41] ah the name :D [12:41] lol [12:41] and the concept :D [12:41] nice guidelines Seveas [12:41] nuns :) [12:41] <\sh> the concept, i have nothing to do with it ;) but the meaning of Ubuntu and NUN comes along quite nicely :) [12:42] which reminds me, i'll put op ubuntuguide.org for the next agenda... [12:42] yeah, we're thinking of getting NUNHelpers to sign the guidelines... [12:42] Seveas - I think we'll be putting up NUN too :D [12:42] anyways [12:42] i don't like the name NewbieGods === Mez pokes nalioth [12:42] <\sh> mdke: ++ [12:42] its a bit patronising [12:42] mdke, that has been scrapped already [12:42] mdke: agreed [12:42] mdke - we're changing it :D [12:42] mdke: it will be changed in all places [12:42] we said all this last meeting :D [12:42] okies [12:42] dd/win 24 [12:42] and we'll be changing it [12:42] <\sh> I told seveas to rename and/or remove it...newbies is just a word like "stoopids" [12:43] indeed [12:43] Hey, I resemble that remark [12:43] the NuN will not talk about newbies OR gods [12:43] its simple to rename pages, just check the backlinks by cliccking on the page title, then fix the links, then rename === silbs [~sbsm0084@host86-129-122-34.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [12:43] i don't mind doing it [12:43] But let's get back to the agenda, we were discussing nalioth [12:43] Seveas: thanks [12:43] mdke :D we're getting around to it :D I've been moving house so thats why it's been going slow :D and yeah - nalioth [12:43] right [12:43] +1 from me [12:43] could any of the other NUN guys comment on nalioth's contribution? [12:43] +1 for nalioth [12:44] sabdfl, to NUN ? === mako is happy with the work and improvements in the last week [12:44] Mez, overall [12:44] Mez: across the board [12:44] <\sh> as I said. nalitoth is doing a great job...I can't do it [12:44] \sh, so everything you cant do is great ?? [12:44] +1 from me [12:44] across the board: nalitoh +1 from me, he's been doing a great job recruiting for NUN and also a great job supporting people via IRC... [12:44] he says he puts in 10 hours a week [12:44] <\sh> ogra: no :) [12:44] seems more like 20 [12:44] nalioth +1 [12:45] Kamion: your vote on nalioth for membership? NewUserNetwork admin and strong forum contributor [12:45] <\sh> ogra: but sometimes I don't have the nerves for this new user thing. and I agree with larf...we need to inform the peopel, give them knowledge..so nalioth ++1 [12:45] Hmm, that might actually be one place I can help [12:45] strong IRC contributor sabdfl [12:45] bddebian, poke me after the meeting and we'll talk [12:46] OK, thx [12:46] I haven't encountered nalioth myself much, but he seems to have a fan club among people I do know :-) +1 [12:46] Request to interrupt the members discussion after nalioth [12:46] Doh I'll never get home.. :-) [12:46] lilo has to leave soon, so can we please schedule the freenode registration now [12:46] ok, +1 from me too, welcome nalioth! [12:47] hello nalioth === lips [~lips@132-bem-14.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:47] thanks, y'all [12:47] welcome aboard, nalioth [12:47] signed CoC's go to mako :) [12:47] nalioth: you need to get a signed CoC to mako, and request membersip at https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/ubuntumembers/ [12:47] nalioth needs to get a key signed first ;) [12:47] hi all [12:47] Mez, he can also find a notary [12:48] Hello lips [12:48] # [12:48] RajasekarKarthik [12:48] mako: no no [12:48] make, wait [12:48] ogra: notary? [12:48] mako* === ogra has no idea who that is.... [12:48] read my last lines please :) [12:48] Request to interrupt the members discussion after nalioth [12:48] lilo has to leave soon, so can we please schedule the freenode registration now [12:48] ok [12:48] nalioth, nope [12:48] got it sorry [12:48]