[12:21] <tseng> ogra: http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/en/hhkeyboard/images/200B.jpg < i ordered this
[12:21] <tseng> ogra: not *as* hardcore as the one you were looking at
[01:48] <womble> How do I report/help with a security fix in Universe?  wiki://MOTUSecurity doesn't help, and there's no Universe-specific MLs on lists.ubuntu.com.  (The package is phpwiki, BTW)
[01:48] <womble> It's vulnerable to the XMLRPC vulnerability.
[01:49] <ajmitch> possibly just submit a normal security report?
[01:53] <womble> ajmitch: Who to?
[01:54] <koke_> hi motus!
[01:55] <koke_> I have a scoop for you... :)
[01:55] <\sh> scoop?
[01:55] <koke_> my first whole program :9
[01:55] <koke_> http://amedias.org/~koke/gnome-torrent/
[01:55] <\sh> ah..i thought u meant poocs ,-) from freshmeat ,-)
[01:56] <koke_> \sh: I hope the meaning of "scoop" is correct :)
[01:56] <ajmitch> womble: I'd guess martin.pitt@canonical.com but I think there's a security contact address as well
[01:57] <\sh> koke_: dunno..i'm not a native english speaker ;)
[01:57] <womble> But does that get to "the community" that Martin referred to in the php4 USN?
[01:57] <ajmitch> womble: sorry, I haven't seen the USN
[01:58] <\sh> womble: if php4 is in main, pitti will do it :) if he doesn't know about it, ping him, send him letters and some beer :)
[01:58] <ajmitch> and he can tell you the appropriate contact for universe stuff
[01:58] <\sh> it's also pitti
[01:59] <ajmitch> yep
[01:59] <\sh> nobody wants to make his hands dirty for security issues....god knows why
[01:59] <\sh> ,-)
[02:00] <ajmitch> heh
[02:00] <\sh> womble: we need a volunteer for universe security...:)
[02:02] <Seveas> will the motu still help me if I want to package stuff that needs the sun jre?
[02:03] <\sh> if sun jre is included..can't it be compiled with gnu java?
[02:04] <Seveas> no, it's too heavily dependent on sun
[02:04] <Seveas> i've been trying to patch it
[02:04] <Seveas> but to no avail :)
[02:04] <uniq> gnite \sh, good luck tomorrow :)
[02:05] <Seveas> and sun JRE is not included, how can that be leaglly possible?
[02:05] <uniq> what is it you want to package?
[02:06] <Seveas> uniq, globus
[02:06] <Seveas> www.globus.org
[02:06] <Seveas> grid computing stuff
[02:06] <spacey> grid computing in java? :/
[02:06] <Seveas> I'll have my own cluster to experiment on within a few weeks
[02:06] <Seveas> yeah, the WSRF framework is java
[02:07] <Seveas> too bad :(
[02:07] <spacey> sounds inefficient
[02:07] <uniq> you can make a package out of it. but i don't think it can be included in the universe.
[02:07] <Seveas> I liked GT2 better
[02:07] <|QuaD-> anyone having a problem with python2.3-imagint?
[02:07] <|QuaD-> *imagint
[02:07] <Seveas> uniq, I wouldn't even hope for that, I just need some packaging help :)
[02:07] <|QuaD-> *imaging
[02:08] <uniq> seveas: anything specific? shoot.
[02:08] <Seveas> uniq, not yet, am just trying to initialize packaging of these things
[02:09] <uniq> ok.
[02:10] <Seveas> I only wanted to know the motu policy on packages that might not be available outside backports
[02:11] <spacey> there is pretty good howto @ wiki i think
[02:11] <uniq> i don't know if there is a policy saying anything about that. but all packaging questions are welcome afaik.
[02:11] <spacey> that debian package making is much more complicated as for slackware still =P
[02:12] <spacey> ofcourse much more features too ^_^
[02:13] <uniq> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips
[02:14] <uniq> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide is pretty good too.
[02:27] <uniq> gnite.
[02:32] <tseng> koke rocks
[03:19] <whiprush> whoa
[03:20] <whiprush> koke++
[03:29] <schweeb> whiprush: what about koke?
[03:29] <whiprush> see planet
[03:30] <whiprush> if he can get it to monitor a directory for new torrents, I can get 400mb of ram back by not using azureus. :p
[03:31] <schweeb> nice
[03:31] <schweeb> haha
[03:31] <tseng> azureus is bloatware crap :/
[03:32] <tseng> btdownloadcurses > *
[03:32] <Amaranth> i really need to migrate my patches to the 4.1.2 version and fix the packaging
[03:37] <Amaranth> hmm
[03:37] <Amaranth> hehe, my main addition to the official client was a tray icon
[03:53] <|QuaD-> tseng: bittornado's btdownloadcurses > bittorrents btdownloadcurses
[06:58] <Burgundavia> seth_k, can you turn your away message off?
[06:59] <seth_k> sorry, didn't know it was on until I hit away
[08:14] <Unfrgiven> Burgundavia: ping?
[08:21] <Unfrgiven> Burgundavia: saw your post on the forums about esd being broken. does that have anything to do with the fact that totem is currently hanging on my machine on startup (i get no gui) and xine/mplayer crash on startup? or are these separate issues. i currently cannot watch any videos :(
[09:45] <siretart> morning, folks
[09:47] <Mez> evening
[09:53] <siretart> Mez: hi! :)
[09:53] <Mez> hey :D
[09:53] <Mez> :P
[09:53] <siretart> Mez: you uploaded gaim-assistant, did you?
[09:53] <Mez> yes... reuploading again now ;)
[09:54] <Mez> I eidnt read the docs fully before
[09:54] <siretart> no need for that
[09:54] <Mez> ah
[09:54] <Mez> :$
[09:54] <siretart> I can do that locally here, did you already start?
[09:54] <Mez> I already did
[09:54] <siretart> ok, then proceed
[09:54] <Mez> proceed?
[09:54] <siretart> I have all rejected uploads in a rejected queue
[09:54] <Mez> ah fair enough
[09:54] <Mez> well - I jsut uploaded
[09:56] <Mez> whats with REVU erroring out all the time
[09:56] <siretart> retry
[09:57] <siretart> ARGL!
[09:57] <\sh> morning siretart
[09:57] <siretart> hi \sh
[09:58] <Mez> siretart can i suggest a small change to your .htaccess?
[09:58] <Mez> makes it show full file name rther than bits of it
[09:58] <Mez>     IndexOptions FancyIndexing NameWidth=*
[09:59] <siretart> I reverted to an earlier version, should be better now
[09:59] <Mez> lol
[09:59] <siretart> NameWitdh does what?
[10:01] <Mez> yeah :D
[10:02] <Mez> It makes it so insterad of showing > at the end and cutting off the filename, it shows the full filename
[10:02] <siretart> ah, good idea, will mark that on my list
[01:03] <HostingGeek> http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8B5RBI00.htm?campaign_id=apn_tech_down
[01:27] <\sh> anybody working on the 500 packages? ,-)
[01:28] <ogra_> if qcad is among them, yes....
[01:29] <\sh>  apt-cache rdepends libstdc++5|less
[01:29] <ogra_> nah... apt-cache rdepends libstdc++5|grep qcad
[01:30] <ogra_> ;)
[01:31] <\sh> hmmm.....
[01:31] <\sh> I'm gettin 573 packages
[01:31] <ogra_> ha, so doko lied...
[01:34] <\sh> hmmm.....
[01:36] <doko> \sh which architecture?
[01:36] <ogra_> i386
[01:37] <\sh> i386
[01:37] <ogra_> or AEG lavamat :)
[01:38] <\sh> was too expensive a machine with linux embedded
[01:38] <ogra_> heh
[01:38] <\sh> but impressiv what reactions i received yesterday night, while I was posting my diary text :)
[01:39] <\sh> the whole world is writing me ;)
[01:39] <ogra_> :)
[01:40] <\sh> doko: should I send u my list? and u can recheck with your list?
[01:43] <ogra_> is this normal for qt apps compiled in pbuilder ? Session management error: Could not open network socket
[01:43] <ogra_> i get a lot of these
[01:43] <\sh> yepp
[01:43] <doko> no, why?
[01:43] <\sh> I get it also, everytime for MOC stuff
[01:47] <ogra_> grmpf... qcad needs more love then i can give it now, odd
[01:48] <\sh> universe? what u need?
[01:49] <ogra_> dunno, i think a int/long patch, it was just a quick test if qcad would be fine with a recompile....
[01:49] <ogra_> but it seems its not...
[01:49] <ogra_> i'll leave it out of the edubuntu seeds for now
[01:50] <\sh> lemme check for u :)
[02:51] <DanielN_atw> hello motu's :)
[02:52] <DanielN_atw> sorry but i have to tell something very bad to you ;(
[02:54] <Lathiat> DanielN_atw: ?
[02:55] <\sh> what is bad?
[03:07] <ivoks> yay! europe said NO
[03:08] <ogra_> DanielN_atw, ?
[03:08] <ivoks> hi all :)
[03:09] <\sh> hey ivok
[03:09] <\sh> s
[03:13] <ivoks> hey \sh
[03:13] <ivoks> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41271000/jpg/_41271701_eu_protesters203i_ap.jpg
[03:13] <ivoks> lol
[03:22] <\sh> DanielN_atw: what's up?
[03:35] <mort> DanielN_atw probably just found out that he liked Windows ME better than ubuntu  :-(
[05:23] <HostingGeek> ivoks: I heard is live
[05:23] <HostingGeek> ivoks: and said is when it happened
[05:23] <HostingGeek> in this channel
[05:24] <ivoks> ?
[06:57] <\sh> re
[07:01] <siretart> hi folks!
[08:02] <siretart> SloMoSnail: ping
[08:02] <SloMoSnail> *pong*
[08:02] <siretart> :)
[08:03] <siretart> SloMoSnail: say, you uploaded some fixed packages from marillat to revu, right?
[08:04] <SloMoSnail> yes... i think they should work as intended now
[08:04] <siretart> SloMoSnail: I was thinking about about some sort of MOTUMultimeadia team
[08:04] <siretart> SloMoSnail: this team would take e.g. mariallats repository as upstream and does some maintenance for keeping them in good shape in ubuntu
[08:05] <siretart> SloMoSnail: would you be intereted in joining such a group?
[08:06] <ivoks> :)
[08:06] <SloMoSnail> yes, sure... but i think we can't take everything from marillat as some of his stuff (e.g. w32codecs) includes stuff we (and he) are not allowed to distribute
[08:07] <ivoks> i bet siretart has some logging device on revu that sends him a SMS when somethings happening :)
[08:07] <SloMoSnail> and for example the faad2 and faac packages by marillat are a mess imho ;) i would make a new package from scratch for these both rather than taking his
[08:07] <siretart> SloMoSnail: right. So we would have to document procedures and package lists, some sort of 'seed' lists
[08:08] <siretart> SloMoSnail: exactly. so the MOTUMultimedia group would be in the maintainer field then..
[08:08] <ivoks> siretart: i'm interested in that, too
[08:08] <siretart> ivoks: hey, that would be great! :)
[08:09] <ivoks> i'm interested in everything ;)
[08:09] <siretart> hehe
[08:09] <ivoks> darn wifi-radar needs one more vote
[08:09] <ivoks> please, vote!
[08:09] <SloMoSnail> what exactly would be in that lists? all packages we can distribute?
[08:09] <ivoks> or breeze will freeze, and it will stay out...
[08:09] <ivoks> \sh: ping
[08:09] <siretart> SloMoSnail: I would say all multimedia related packages we can distribute and at least one member agrees to work on
[08:10] <siretart> ivoks: I just asked about this topic on ubuntu-devel. I hope someone will answer soon
[08:10] <ivoks> i saw it
[08:10] <ivoks> i don't know too
[08:11] <SloMoSnail> ok that's fine :) but there remains the question who decides what we are allowed and what not
[08:11] <ivoks> imho, universe and multiverse should allways renew :)
[08:11] <ivoks> that would kill needs for backports
[08:11] <ivoks> and we would have live repository
[08:12] <SloMoSnail> ivoks: i would support that ;)
[08:12] <ivoks> we just wouldn't put new versions that aren't compatibile with last versions configs
[08:12] <\sh> ivoks: pong
[08:12] <ivoks> \sh: could you please review that wifi-radar?
[08:12] <ivoks> \sh: it needs just one vote :)
[08:12] <\sh> ivoks: yepp...
[08:13] <ivoks> thank you
[08:13] <ivoks> SloMoSnail: that would requiere a lot of work, you know that?
[08:13] <ivoks> that's not doable while MOTU is so small group
[08:14] <siretart> SloMoSnail: well, I think we have a brain and can think. and if we make a mistake, we can always get it corrected (or better, correct ourselves)
[08:15] <siretart> hi lamont
[08:15] <SloMoSnail> siretart: ok... then lets try to start something like that ;)
[08:15] <lamont> siretart: hi
[08:16] <siretart> SloMoSnail: do you have time right now to create a wiki page with templates for package lists, documentation of procedures and so on right now?
[08:17] <ivoks> hi lamont
[08:18] <SloMoSnail> ivoks: sure... it would be much work to keep everything up to date but how about keeping as much up to date as we can manage? and i think there are many people who are interested in helping with just that
[08:19] <ivoks> keeping uptodate only important things
[08:20] <ivoks> not everything
[08:20] <ivoks> noone can do that, not even debian
[08:20] <SloMoSnail> siretart: yes I can try it... I have much free time until sunday
[08:20] <siretart> coool! :)
[08:20] <ivoks> guys, most of multimedia packages are allready in ubuntu
[08:21] <ivoks> we could create some meta packages that would set up whole system, or something
[08:21] <ivoks> apt-get install mmulitmedia-i8600
[08:21] <ivoks> that would set up alsa, drivers, everythin for dell inspiron 8600 :)
[08:23] <siretart> ivoks: yes. but I was rathing thinking about forming a group taking care about packages not in debian and mainly only found in marillats repository
[08:23] <siretart> like mplayer, transcode, gtranscode, and so on
[08:23] <siretart> many of them will stay in multiverse
[08:23] <ivoks> mplayer will get in debian
[08:23] <ivoks> since ffmpeg allready is
[08:24] <siretart> ivoks: that story i'm listing at since 3 years.
[08:24] <ivoks> :)
[08:24] <siretart> ivoks: sorry, I still don't believe that will happen soon. better to get active ourselves
[08:27] <ivoks> ok, we could try
[08:37] <ivoks> c u
[08:37] <ivoks> bye
[09:21] <Riddell> siretart: I can't get my password from revu
[09:21] <Riddell> IOError: [Errno 32]  Broken pipe
[09:21] <siretart> argl. just a moment, will sent it to you via mail
[09:24] <siretart> Riddell: email sent
[09:27] <Riddell> siretart: cool, thanks
[09:28] <siretart> gotta fix this recover script soon :/
[09:30] <Riddell> siretart: what do you mean by relibtoolize in datakiosk comment?
[09:32] <SloMoSnail> running libtoolize -fc probably
[09:32] <siretart> Riddell: err, did I say relibtoolize? damn, I meant 'autoreconf;
[09:33] <siretart> Riddell: there are a lot of automake generated files in the diff.gz, maintenance in teams is easier (as the change is more obvious) if this would be done via dpatch in a patch in debian/patches
[09:33] <siretart> this was what I wanted to say
[10:57] <siretart> Lathiat: ping
[11:32] <siretart> Lathiat: I uploaded your bzflag package
[11:37] <seth_k> ay siretart, how comes the c++ transition
[11:40] <siretart> seth_k: see http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-July/008650.html :)
[11:40] <seth_k> thanks ;)
[11:41] <bddebian> Heya seth_k, siretart
[11:41] <seth_k> hi bddebian ^_^
[11:41] <siretart> hi bddebian
[11:41] <seth_k> I still think you need a new nick
[11:41] <seth_k> :P
[11:41] <uniq> hey guys.
[11:42] <bddebian> I know, I know.  I was thinking about it last night :-)  How about bdubuntu? ;-P
[11:42] <bddebian> Hello uniq
[11:42] <seth_k> bd = initials?
[11:42] <bddebian> Aye
[11:42] <seth_k> shorter = better, bd sounds cool
[11:42] <bddebian> Heh
[11:43] <bddebian> I was thinking more along the lines of bdPermanentN00b :-)
[11:43] <seth_k> :D
[11:43] <seth_k> siretart, if I merge changes from upstream, but create a package that still has Ubuntu-specific changes, do I reset the ubuntu# to ubuntu1, or increment it again?
[11:44] <jamessan> seth_k: that's what tab completion is for  ;)
[11:44] <seth_k> haha
[11:44] <seth_k> good point
[11:45] <siretart> seth_k: so you want to upgrade to a new upstream version?
[11:45] <seth_k> that's correct
[11:45] <siretart> see http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=37 as an good example:
[11:45] <seth_k> which I've done before, but never one with Ubuntu-specific changes
[11:45] <siretart> use package_1.3-0ubuntu1 as new version
[11:46] <siretart> never mind if it has ubuntu-specific changes, all upgrad should have a 0ubuntu1 appended
[11:46] <seth_k> haha
[11:47] <uniq> there is buildX too.
[11:47] <siretart> uniq: which I never really understood
[11:48] <uniq> if i understood correctly it's the ones we change for now, but want merg-o-matic to automatically update from debian whenever a new version is included there.
[11:49] <uniq> should be used more, to make the universe manageable.
[11:49] <seth_k> the package is gdesklets, Debian unstable has .35.1-1, Ubuntu has 0.34.3-0ubuntu2. The package from Debian can't just be brought in directly because there are Ubuntu-specific changes
[11:49] <seth_k> so should I make it -1ubuntu1, so it's "newer" than the current debian version?
[11:50] <seth_k> (sorry for all the questions, but tell me once and I won't forget)
[11:51] <uniq> .35.1-1ubuntu1 sounds  ok to me.
[11:51] <siretart> seth_k: that .35.1-1ubuntu1 then
[11:51] <seth_k> righto, then I did it correctly :)
[11:51] <uniq> or 1ubuntu0 if you want.
[11:52] <siretart> I think we agreed on 1ubuntu1
[11:52] <seth_k> was going to say, i don't think i've ever seen an ubuntu0
[11:52] <siretart> jupp
[11:53] <uniq> we have lots in kde.
[11:53] <siretart> well, I don't see a technical reason against, just convention
[11:53] <siretart> and well, I need sleep. gn8 folks!
[11:54] <uniq> it's not a big deal anyway.
[11:54] <uniq> gnite siretart.
[11:54] <seth_k> night siretart
[11:54] <uniq> i think i use ubuntu1 myself.
[11:54] <seth_k> I always have, too
[11:56] <ivoks> work faster :)
[11:56] <ivoks> tomorrow is freeze :)
[11:56] <seth_k> haha
[11:57] <uniq> universe won't freeze :)
[11:59] <ivoks> everything will freeze :)
[11:59] <ivoks> now
[11:59] <ivoks> :))
[12:00] <bddebian> heh
[12:01] <seth_k> does http://sethkinast.com/ubuntu/breezy/gdesklets/ look kosher?