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| allee | pef: do you know why the h*ll datakiosk using .pro extention? so no datakiosk mimetype or *.pro (due to ambiguity) :( | 12:05 |
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| pef | allee, pro like project | 12:05 |
| pef | I will contact the author about that | 12:06 |
| allee | pef: I know but .pro is not uniq to datakiosk :( | 12:06 |
| pef | allee, yes, I have already seen them | 12:07 |
| pef | but where ? | 12:07 |
| allee | pef: suggest kdk Kde DataKiosk or dkk for DataKiosK, aka kwd ksp ... ;) | 12:07 |
| pef | kdevelop ? | 12:07 |
| allee | pef qmake | 12:07 |
| allee | + AFAIK | 12:07 |
| Riddell | pef: no man page? | 12:09 |
| allee | Riddell: my fault. read backlog | 12:09 |
| pef | erf : | 12:10 |
| allee | Riddell: [22:29] <allee> IMHO better a bug than a disapointing manpage (manpages have a bad enough reputation already) | 12:10 |
| Riddell | fair enough | 12:10 |
| Riddell | pef: looks like a work of perfection to me, want me to upload it to REVU? | 12:11 |
| pef | Riddell, yes, please | 12:12 |
| allee | pef: ah, idl uses .pro files for their. Quite popular and expenstive pdl like (or was it vice versa ;) tool | 12:13 |
| allee | s/their/their scripts/ | 12:13 |
| Riddell | pef: hmm, it doesn't seem to clean at all now | 12:14 |
| Riddell | lots of dpkg-source: cannot represent change to src/src/datakiosk: binary file contents changed | 12:15 |
| pef | Riddell, If I "make clean" into the source this not happens again | 12:15 |
| allee | Riddell,pef: app icons in hicolor, actins icons in crystalsvg. maybe works, I'm confused, | 12:16 |
| Riddell | allee: why are you confused? | 12:16 |
| allee | Riddell: why not all png's in hicolor (that the f.d.o fallback right). | 12:17 |
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| Riddell | allee: that is the correct thing to do for applications outwith KDE such as this one, but generally programmes using KDE put icons in crystal because that's what official KDE does | 12:18 |
| allee | pef: yeap. clean: target misses a make clean | 12:18 |
| allee | Riddell: and they find them in gnome environment? Well it's late, better not dive into this water now. | 12:20 |
| allee | thx | 12:20 |
| Riddell | shouldn't dh_clean do that? | 12:20 |
| Riddell | allee: find what in gnome environment? | 12:20 |
| pef | dh_clean -k I suppose | 12:21 |
| Riddell | don't think so | 12:21 |
| pef | It's very interesting to make packages, there is a _lot_ of things to learn :) | 12:23 |
| Riddell | yes, certainly is | 12:24 |
| Riddell | you removed -$(MAKE) distclean | 12:24 |
| Riddell | from the clean target | 12:24 |
| Riddell | allee: do you know what the - does infront of that? | 12:24 |
| pef | Riddell, because I had a "error2: cannot build the distclean target" | 12:25 |
| allee | Riddell: ignore status code != 0 afair | 12:25 |
| Riddell | pef: I don't get that error | 12:26 |
| Riddell | allee: suspected so, thanks. makefiles are strange | 12:26 |
| allee | pef: debuild, then: make clean work | 12:26 |
| allee | Riddell: yes. I try to always c&p examples. | 12:27 |
| allee | pef: config.gues +s? | 12:28 |
| pef | yep, typo, I don't understand why this file isn't deleted :) | 12:29 |
| allee | lol | 12:29 |
| pef | do you know the "libre software meeting" at dijon, france ? | 12:30 |
| allee | After debuild, I could not find config.gue* at all. That confusing | 12:31 |
| allee | pef: me? no | 12:33 |
| pef | I'm currently there, meeting with very interesting people | 12:33 |
| allee | pef: lucky guy. I had to miss Linuxtag because too busy :( | 12:34 |
| pef | rm -f build-stamp | 12:34 |
| pef | # Add here commands to clean up after the build process. | 12:34 |
| pef | rm -f config.guess config.sub | 12:34 |
| pef | /usr/bin/make distclean | 12:34 |
| pef | make[1] : Entering directory `/home/loic/dev/kubuntu/datakiosk/datakiosk-0.7' | 12:34 |
| pef | make[1] : *** No rule to make target `distclean'. Stop. | 12:34 |
| pef | allee, too bad :/ I'm student with a lot of free time, I try to use it as best | 12:34 |
| pef | $(MAKE$ doesn't invoke the right Makefile no ? the right Makefile is into the src subdirectory | 12:35 |
| allee | pef: enjoy this time. I wasted too much time in pubs at university ;) | 12:35 |
| allee | pef: Makefile in top dir calls src/Makefile | 12:36 |
| pef | allee, but the top Makefile has no distclean target | 12:36 |
| allee | pef: I wonder myself why Riddel suggested distclean. | 12:37 |
| Riddell | it does have a distclean target for me | 12:39 |
| allee | distclean here too | 12:40 |
| pef | I don't understand the error2 | 12:40 |
| allee | Riddell: distclean is the right choice, sorry for the stupid question | 12:40 |
| Riddell | pef: are you calling it before doing a build? | 12:41 |
| pef | Riddell, I have it during the debuild process | 12:42 |
| allee | make clean; make distclean; give -2 too. Rebuilding amd only make distclean works here | 12:42 |
| allee | pef: that's fine. if src is already distclean you get error code 2. But clean target should ignore such errors | 12:43 |
| pef | allee, isn't it error 1 if ignorable ? | 12:44 |
| === allee remebers now why he loves cdbs and does not miss dh_* makefiles | ||
| allee | pef: error is error. If it can be ignored depends on context. | 12:44 |
| allee | pef: here src is already distclean and we can ignore when make distclean fails ;) | 12:45 |
| pef | allee, it's a ditry behavior | 12:45 |
| pef | :p | 12:45 |
| pef | dirty | 12:46 |
| allee | he, he | 12:46 |
| allee | bbl | 12:46 |
| pef | so | 12:53 |
| pef | I have to leave, the connection will be cut to get out all the geeks :) | 12:54 |
| pef | good night ! | 12:54 |
| pef | bye | 12:54 |
| allee | pef: bye | 12:54 |
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| froud | morn ppl changes to http://lnix.net/~froud were successfull uploaded yesterday night | 09:24 |
| froud | Riddell: please see http://lnix.net/~froud/ for summary of our chat | 09:24 |
| froud | Riddell: then see http://lnix.net/~froud/status/kqg-report.html to see how these comments apply to the kquickguide | 09:24 |
| froud | if anyone else notes stuff that will change or wishes to give us notice of changes please let me know so I can add then to these outline remarks | 09:25 |
| froud | this way when we document we can see problem areas and react acordingly | 09:26 |
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| allee | fround: would be nice if kpg-report.html has links to docs so one can directly review | 10:19 |
| allee | Riddell: wasn't there a plan to include digikam* kipi* in default install? There are still in universe | 10:21 |
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| uniq | hmm.. interessting. after installing breezy i can't change to the vt's with ctrl+alt+fX. | 11:38 |
| uniq | and my nice norwegian characters doesn't work in X. | 11:38 |
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| uniq | riddell: where did the knetworkconf you uploaded to hoary-updates go? it's still ubuntu4 in hoary-updates, the renaming of icons were introduced in ubuntu5. (which is in breezy) | 12:17 |
| uniq | actually, ubuntu6 which is the latest version is in breezy. | 12:18 |
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| uniq | hum.. udev in breezy doesn't make /dev/dsp for me.. | 02:54 |
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| Soneras | froud: are you there? | 06:22 |
| froud | Hello Soneras | 06:23 |
| Soneras | hi | 06:23 |
| froud | waz up | 06:23 |
| Soneras | I'm still looking around the docs. Can you tell me what would be the best place to start (translating locally, I'll later up into rosetta). | 06:23 |
| froud | Whew!! at present it is not a good time for translations because we are at the start of writing for Kubuntu | 06:25 |
| froud | I think the first place you will be able to start is the kubuntu quick guide | 06:25 |
| froud | because it is a quick guide it will be finished first | 06:25 |
| froud | but there are bound to be many changes between now and the end | 06:26 |
| froud | that would render translations out-dated | 06:26 |
| froud | could be very frustrating for you | 06:26 |
| froud | you sure you want to start now | 06:27 |
| Soneras | no, not so sure anymore ;) | 06:27 |
| froud | If you want I will prepare a POT file for Kubuntu Quick Guide | 06:27 |
| Soneras | I was under the impression there were parts that are completely done already. | 06:28 |
| froud | no not for kubuntu | 06:28 |
| froud | but I will ping you as things happen | 06:28 |
| froud | have you worked with POT/PO files before | 06:29 |
| Soneras | no, unfortunately not | 06:29 |
| froud | OK it's simple really | 06:30 |
| froud | I will explain near the time, but all you do is translated strings | 06:30 |
| Soneras | ok, that's fine | 06:31 |
| Soneras | I'll just fool around with the docs a bit in the meantime (can't promise to produce anything usefull though). Oh and I'll be generally annoying here on IRC :D | 06:32 |
| froud | :-) no worries | 06:32 |
| froud | patches welcome I'l fix the English | 06:33 |
| Soneras | the screenshots should be translated too? Did you find anything about the tool to autmatically create screenshots for docs ? | 06:36 |
| froud | there is no magic tool | 06:36 |
| froud | we just use imagemagic | 06:37 |
| froud | but yes, we would have screen captures for each language | 06:37 |
| Soneras | will the default layout change for breezy? like iconset, windeco, fonts, colours... has there been a decision on this? cause it would affect the screenshots we make. | 06:39 |
| froud | can you join #ubuntu-doc? | 06:39 |
| Riddell | iconset no, windeco only if I find something suitable, fonts no, colours no | 06:39 |
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| froud | Soneras: in general we dont care to much about these issues. Taking screenshots is a time consuming task | 06:40 |
| Soneras | ah ok, cause I'd have liked to see a change in colour and font size ^^ I will join ubuntu-docs, something special there? | 06:41 |
| froud | so unless the screen in wrong, we dont care about the fonts, colors etc | 06:41 |
| froud | No just thought it may be better to discuss these things there | 06:41 |
| Soneras | ah that's nice. It's been a long long topic on the kde doc list - not beeing able to change the default style because of doc screenshots | 06:42 |
| Riddell | Soneras: what would you like changed about colour and fonts? | 06:42 |
| Soneras | well, font's are a bit big imo and colours could be brighter / "nicer" | 06:43 |
| Soneras | I see this is a pretty subjective topic though. | 06:43 |
| froud | Soneras: so long as the screens all use the default (current) theme | 06:43 |
| Soneras | actuall started a thread at kubuntu-devel list, but not many replies yet. | 06:43 |
| Riddell | Soneras: could you give us a screenshot so I can see what your fonts are like? | 06:44 |
| Soneras | one sec | 06:44 |
| Soneras | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=2916 | 06:44 |
| Soneras | the one in the background | 06:44 |
| Soneras | that was the way kubuntu looket out of the box on my setup and the others I've seen. | 06:45 |
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| Riddell | my fonts are the size of the one in the forground | 06:48 |
| Riddell | I wonder what makes the difference | 06:48 |
| Soneras | thats the way they are in gnome for me - that' ok. has it to do with different dpi settings? | 06:49 |
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| mart | hey, that's nice. my brother sent me a text saying he hasn't been blown up. :) | 06:51 |
| Riddell | very thoughtful | 06:56 |
| Riddell | Soneras: different dpi's are quite possible but I don't know enough about it to say so | 06:57 |
| Soneras | riddel, ah ok... actually I filed a bug report about the font size (maybe not a good ide though :-/), cause I wasn't sure if it's right to have that big fonts. (no 12450) | 06:58 |
| Riddell | yeah that's fine | 07:00 |
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| pef | hello | 07:16 |
| Soneras | hello pef | 07:17 |
| pef | how can I avoid a Makefile target failure when there is nothing to do ? (a distclean target) | 07:24 |
| Riddell | pef: what do you have? | 07:24 |
| pef | Riddell: the error2 of yesterday :) | 07:25 |
| Riddell | pef: what do you have in debian/rules? | 07:29 |
| pef | Riddell: http://dl.erodia.net/ubuntu/rules | 07:31 |
| Riddell | pef: try putting a - infront of it | 07:33 |
| Riddell | -$(MAKE) distclean | 07:33 |
| pef | Riddell: yeah :) where did you find that ? I tried -i option of make without success | 07:37 |
| Riddell | makefiles are weird | 07:37 |
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| Soneras | froud? kinda doc-unrelated question; yo state "may be replaced by gstreamer." at the amaroK doc. will another player using gstreamer replace amarok, or will there jsut be the gstreamer engine for amarok? | 07:53 |
| froud | Soneras: not sure yet, I think the developers have not yet made a decision on that and other stuff | 07:54 |
| pef | could someone have a look at my package ? :) http://dl.erodia.net/ubuntu/datakiosk/ | 07:54 |
| froud | what is it? | 07:54 |
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| froud | pef: will it install on hoary | 07:56 |
| froud | what is datakiosk | 07:56 |
| Soneras | doesn't seem like it (just tried) | 07:56 |
| froud | hmm what was the incantation to rebuild | 07:57 |
| froud | Hmm database interface tool | 07:58 |
| froud | nice | 07:58 |
| pef | froud: no, breezy | 07:59 |
| froud | no. it only installs on breezy? or no, it cannot install on breezy | 08:00 |
| froud | only installs on breezy I guess | 08:00 |
| Soneras | yeb: datakiosk hngt ab von* kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.1); aber: *depends on | 08:01 |
| pef | froud: only on breezy | 08:02 |
| froud | pef: sorry I still dont have breezy system | 08:03 |
| pef | is see packages in universe need fixes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSuggestedPackages "Suggested Packages that are being worked on", what's the work to do ? | 08:13 |
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| froud | anyone got suggestions for the section "Contributing to Kubuntu" in the User Guide | 09:41 |
| froud | How does one go about contributing? | 09:41 |
| froud | Do we just follow all that stuff on Ubuntu or do we have a different method | 09:42 |
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| loic | why, when I want sysv-rc sources, I get sysvinit sources ? I use apt-get source | 10:08 |
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| tvo | s/my/his/ | 10:58 |
| tvo | someone who knows QRegExp's here? | 10:58 |
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| Mez | lol, Riddell, Phil finally got round to signing my key! | 11:22 |
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| froud | night | 11:36 |
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