[12:05] <allee> pef: do you know why the h*ll datakiosk using .pro extention?  so no datakiosk mimetype or *.pro (due to ambiguity) :(
[12:05] <pef> allee, pro like project
[12:06] <pef> I will contact the author about that
[12:06] <allee> pef: I know but .pro is not uniq to datakiosk :(
[12:07] <pef> allee, yes, I have already seen them
[12:07] <pef> but where ?
[12:07] <allee> pef: suggest kdk Kde DataKiosk or dkk for DataKiosK,  aka kwd ksp ... ;)
[12:07] <pef> kdevelop ?
[12:07] <allee> pef qmake
[12:07] <allee> + AFAIK
[12:09] <Riddell> pef: no man page?
[12:09] <allee> Riddell: my fault.  read backlog
[12:10] <pef> erf :
[12:10] <allee> Riddell: [22:29]  <allee> IMHO better a bug than a disapointing manpage (manpages have a bad enough reputation already)
[12:10] <Riddell> fair enough
[12:11] <Riddell> pef: looks like a work of perfection to me, want me to upload it to REVU?
[12:12] <pef> Riddell, yes, please
[12:13] <allee> pef: ah, idl uses .pro files for their.  Quite popular and expenstive pdl like (or was it vice versa ;) tool
[12:13] <allee> s/their/their scripts/
[12:14] <Riddell> pef: hmm, it doesn't seem to clean at all now
[12:15] <Riddell> lots of dpkg-source: cannot represent change to src/src/datakiosk: binary file contents changed
[12:15] <pef> Riddell, If I "make clean" into the source this not happens again
[12:16] <allee> Riddell,pef: app icons in hicolor, actins icons in crystalsvg.  maybe works, I'm confused,
[12:16] <Riddell> allee: why are you confused?
[12:17] <allee> Riddell: why not all png's in hicolor (that the f.d.o fallback right).
[12:18] <Riddell> allee: that is the correct thing to do for applications outwith KDE such as this one, but generally programmes using KDE put icons in crystal because that's what official KDE does
[12:18] <allee> pef: yeap. clean: target misses a make clean
[12:20] <allee> Riddell: and they find them in gnome environment?  Well it's late, better not dive into this water now.
[12:20] <allee> thx
[12:20] <Riddell> shouldn't dh_clean do that?
[12:20] <Riddell> allee: find what in gnome environment?
[12:21] <pef> dh_clean -k I suppose
[12:21] <Riddell> don't think so
[12:23] <pef> It's very interesting to make packages, there is a _lot_ of things to learn :)
[12:24] <Riddell> yes, certainly is
[12:24] <Riddell> you removed  -$(MAKE) distclean
[12:24] <Riddell> from the clean target
[12:24] <Riddell> allee: do you know what the - does infront of that?
[12:25] <pef> Riddell, because I had a "error2: cannot build the distclean target"
[12:25] <allee> Riddell: ignore status code != 0 afair
[12:26] <Riddell> pef: I don't get that error
[12:26] <Riddell> allee: suspected so, thanks.  makefiles are strange
[12:26] <allee> pef: debuild, then: make clean work
[12:27] <allee> Riddell: yes.  I try to always c&p examples.
[12:28] <allee> pef: config.gues  +s?
[12:29] <pef> yep, typo, I don't understand why this file isn't deleted :)
[12:29] <allee> lol
[12:30] <pef> do you know the "libre software meeting" at dijon, france ?
[12:31] <allee> After debuild, I could not find config.gue* at all.  That confusing
[12:33] <allee> pef: me? no
[12:33] <pef> I'm currently there, meeting with very interesting people
[12:34] <allee> pef: lucky guy.  I had to miss Linuxtag because too busy :(
[12:34] <pef> rm -f build-stamp
[12:34] <pef> # Add here commands to clean up after the build process.
[12:34] <pef> rm -f config.guess config.sub
[12:34] <pef> /usr/bin/make distclean
[12:34] <pef> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/loic/dev/kubuntu/datakiosk/datakiosk-0.7'
[12:34] <pef> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `distclean'.  Stop.
[12:34] <pef> allee, too bad :/ I'm student with a lot of free time, I try to use it as best
[12:35] <pef> $(MAKE$ doesn't invoke the right Makefile no ? the right Makefile is into the src subdirectory
[12:35] <allee> pef: enjoy this time.  I wasted too much time in pubs at university ;)
[12:36] <allee> pef: Makefile in top dir calls src/Makefile
[12:36] <pef> allee, but the top Makefile has no distclean target
[12:37] <allee> pef: I wonder myself why Riddel suggested distclean.
[12:39] <Riddell> it does have a distclean target for me
[12:40] <allee> distclean here too
[12:40] <pef> I don't understand the error2
[12:40] <allee> Riddell: distclean is the right choice, sorry for the stupid question
[12:41] <Riddell> pef: are you calling it before doing a build?
[12:42] <pef> Riddell, I have it during the debuild process
[12:42] <allee> make clean; make distclean; give -2 too.  Rebuilding amd only make distclean works here
[12:43] <allee> pef: that's fine. if src is already distclean you get error code 2.  But clean target should ignore such errors
[12:44] <pef> allee, isn't it error 1 if ignorable ?
[12:44] <allee> pef: error is error.  If it can be ignored depends on context.
[12:45] <allee> pef: here src is already distclean and we can ignore when make distclean fails ;)
[12:45] <pef> allee, it's a ditry behavior
[12:45] <pef> :p
[12:46] <pef> dirty
[12:46] <allee> he, he
[12:46] <allee> bbl
[12:53] <pef> so
[12:54] <pef> I have to leave, the connection will be cut to get out all the geeks :)
[12:54] <pef> good night !
[12:54] <pef> bye
[12:54] <allee> pef: bye
[09:24] <froud> morn ppl changes to http://lnix.net/~froud were successfull uploaded yesterday night
[09:24] <froud> Riddell: please see http://lnix.net/~froud/ for summary of our chat
[09:24] <froud> Riddell: then see http://lnix.net/~froud/status/kqg-report.html to see how these comments apply to the kquickguide
[09:25] <froud> if anyone else notes stuff that will change or wishes to give us notice of changes please let me know so I can add then to these outline remarks
[09:26] <froud> this way when we document we can see problem areas and react acordingly
[10:19] <allee> fround: would be nice if kpg-report.html has links to docs so one can directly review
[10:21] <allee> Riddell: wasn't there a plan to include digikam* kipi* in default install?  There are still in universe
[11:38] <uniq> hmm.. interessting. after installing breezy i can't change to the vt's with ctrl+alt+fX.
[11:38] <uniq> and my nice norwegian characters doesn't work in X.
[12:17] <uniq> riddell: where did the knetworkconf you uploaded to hoary-updates go? it's still ubuntu4 in hoary-updates, the renaming of icons were introduced in ubuntu5. (which is in breezy)
[12:18] <uniq> actually, ubuntu6 which is the latest version is in breezy.
[02:54] <uniq> hum.. udev in breezy doesn't make /dev/dsp for me..
[06:22] <Soneras> froud: are you there?
[06:23] <froud> Hello Soneras 
[06:23] <Soneras> hi
[06:23] <froud> waz up
[06:23] <Soneras> I'm still looking around the docs. Can you tell me what would be the best place to start (translating locally, I'll later up into rosetta). 
[06:25] <froud> Whew!! at present it is not a good time for translations because we are at the start of writing for Kubuntu
[06:25] <froud> I think the first place you will be able to start is the kubuntu quick guide
[06:25] <froud> because it is a quick guide it will be finished first
[06:26] <froud> but there are bound to be many changes between now and the end
[06:26] <froud> that would render translations out-dated
[06:26] <froud> could be very frustrating for you
[06:27] <froud> you sure you want to start now
[06:27] <Soneras> no, not so sure anymore ;)
[06:27] <froud> If you want I will prepare a POT file for Kubuntu Quick Guide
[06:28] <Soneras> I was under the impression there were parts that are completely done already.
[06:28] <froud> no not for kubuntu
[06:28] <froud> but I will ping you as things happen
[06:29] <froud> have you worked with POT/PO files before
[06:29] <Soneras> no, unfortunately not
[06:30] <froud> OK it's simple really
[06:30] <froud> I will explain near the time, but all you do is translated strings
[06:31] <Soneras> ok, that's fine
[06:32] <Soneras> I'll just fool around with the docs a bit in the meantime (can't promise to produce anything usefull though). Oh and I'll be generally annoying here on IRC :D
[06:32] <froud> :-) no worries
[06:33] <froud> patches welcome I'l fix the English
[06:36] <Soneras> the screenshots should be translated too? Did you find anything about the tool to autmatically create screenshots for docs ?
[06:36] <froud> there is no magic tool
[06:37] <froud> we just use imagemagic
[06:37] <froud> but yes, we would have screen captures for each language
[06:39] <Soneras> will the default layout change for breezy? like iconset, windeco, fonts, colours... has there been a decision on this? cause it would affect the screenshots we make.
[06:39] <froud> can you join #ubuntu-doc?
[06:39] <Riddell> iconset no, windeco only if I find something suitable, fonts no, colours no
[06:40] <froud> Soneras: in general we dont care to much about these issues. Taking screenshots is a time consuming task
[06:41] <Soneras> ah ok, cause I'd have liked to see a change in colour and font size ^^ I will join ubuntu-docs, something special there?
[06:41] <froud> so unless the screen in wrong, we dont care about the fonts, colors etc
[06:41] <froud> No just thought it may be better to discuss these things there
[06:42] <Soneras> ah that's nice. It's been a long long topic on the kde doc list - not beeing able to change the default style because of doc screenshots
[06:42] <Riddell> Soneras: what would you like changed about colour and fonts?
[06:43] <Soneras> well, font's are a bit big imo and colours could be brighter / "nicer"
[06:43] <Soneras> I see this is a pretty subjective topic though. 
[06:43] <froud> Soneras: so long as the screens all use the default (current) theme
[06:43] <Soneras> actuall started a thread at kubuntu-devel list, but not many replies yet.
[06:44] <Riddell> Soneras: could you give us a screenshot so I can see what your fonts are like?
[06:44] <Soneras> one sec
[06:44] <Soneras> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=2916
[06:44] <Soneras> the one in the background
[06:45] <Soneras> that was the way kubuntu looket out of the box on my setup and the others I've seen.
[06:48] <Riddell> my fonts are the size of the one in the forground
[06:48] <Riddell> I wonder what makes the difference
[06:49] <Soneras> thats the way they are in gnome for me - that' ok. has it to do with different dpi settings?
[06:51] <mart> hey, that's nice.  my brother sent me a text saying he hasn't been blown up. :)
[06:56] <Riddell> very thoughtful
[06:57] <Riddell> Soneras: different dpi's are quite possible but I don't know enough about it to say so
[06:58] <Soneras> riddel, ah ok... actually I filed a bug report about the font size (maybe not a good ide though :-/), cause I wasn't sure if it's right to have that big fonts. (no 12450)
[07:00] <Riddell> yeah that's fine
[07:16] <pef> hello
[07:17] <Soneras> hello pef
[07:24] <pef> how can I avoid a Makefile target failure when there is nothing to do ? (a distclean target)
[07:24] <Riddell> pef: what do you have?
[07:25] <pef> Riddell: the error2 of yesterday :)
[07:29] <Riddell> pef: what do you have in debian/rules?
[07:31] <pef> Riddell: http://dl.erodia.net/ubuntu/rules
[07:33] <Riddell> pef: try putting a - infront of it
[07:33] <Riddell> -$(MAKE) distclean
[07:37] <pef> Riddell: yeah :) where did you find that ? I tried -i option of make without success
[07:37] <Riddell> makefiles are weird
[07:53] <Soneras> froud? kinda doc-unrelated question; yo state "may be replaced by gstreamer." at the amaroK doc. will another player using gstreamer replace amarok, or will there jsut be the gstreamer engine for amarok?
[07:54] <froud> Soneras: not sure yet, I think the developers have not yet made a decision on that and other stuff
[07:54] <pef> could someone have a look at my package ? :) http://dl.erodia.net/ubuntu/datakiosk/
[07:54] <froud> what is it?
[07:56] <froud> pef: will it install on hoary
[07:56] <froud> what is datakiosk
[07:56] <Soneras> doesn't seem like it (just tried)
[07:57] <froud> hmm what was the incantation to rebuild
[07:58] <froud> Hmm database interface tool
[07:58] <froud> nice
[07:59] <pef> froud: no, breezy
[08:00] <froud> no. it only installs on breezy? or no, it cannot install on breezy
[08:00] <froud> only installs on breezy I guess
[08:01] <Soneras> yeb:  datakiosk hngt ab von* kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.1); aber: *depends on
[08:02] <pef> froud: only on breezy
[08:03] <froud> pef: sorry I still dont have breezy system
[08:13] <pef> is see packages in universe need fixes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSuggestedPackages "Suggested Packages that are being worked on", what's the work to do ?
[09:41] <froud> anyone got suggestions for the section "Contributing to Kubuntu" in the User Guide
[09:41] <froud> How does one go about contributing?
[09:42] <froud> Do we just follow all that stuff on Ubuntu or do we have a different method
[10:08] <loic> why, when I want sysv-rc sources, I get sysvinit sources ? I use apt-get source
[10:58] <tvo> s/my/his/
[10:58] <tvo> someone who knows QRegExp's here?
[11:22] <Mez> lol, Riddell, Phil finally got round to signing my key!
[11:36] <froud> night