[12:28] <stibby> i have a question about kdevelop
[12:28] <stibby> on the sidebar, to see your files
[12:29] <stibby> can you set it to display as a tree?
[12:29] <stibby> (tree-view; a view setting in konqueror, as well as quanta ide)
[12:30] <_ubuntu> is this a chat room 
[12:30] <_ubuntu> ?
[12:30] <stibby> yes, it is kubuntu's chatroom
[12:31] <stibby> you are in the right place
[12:31] <seth_k> stibby: I really have no idea (just letting you know you're not being ignored)
[12:32] <stibby> i'm not getting an answer in #kde either :(
[12:32] <stibby> and afaik, #kdevelop is mostly norweigens
[12:34] <stibby> if it wasn't for this setting i can't find, i'd ditch my other IDE
[12:38] <seth_k> what other IDE do you use, stibby?
[12:39] <stibby> Quanta-Plus and Eclipse
[12:39] <seth_k> I use both of those, but not KDevelop
[12:39] <stibby> they both have this feature as default
[12:39] <stibby> does Quanta have support for Java?
[12:39] <stibby> (not JSP, Java)
[12:40] <seth_k> Yes, it has Java highlighting
[12:40] <seth_k> under Sources/Java
[12:41] <unome> howdy kubuntunians
[12:41] <stibby> seth_h: i'd try it, but its not currently on my computer
[12:41] <stibby> its a possibility, though
[12:47] <seth_k> hi unome 
[12:48] <seth_k> stibby: doesn't Eclipse do everything you need for Java? <3 Eclipse
[12:48] <stibby> yes
[12:48] <stibby> but i don't like its highilghting and its in GTK
[12:48] <stibby> and i'm working on individual-file-projects
[12:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can anyone help me get a second hard drive going?
[01:19] <nightfire> hi
[01:20] <seth_k> hi
[01:21] <nightfire> I am running gentoo for a few years now. But i build up a secondary machine to check out some other distributions. Now I want to test kubuntu
[01:21] <seth_k> good choice
[01:22] <nightfire> seth_k: i like all versions of linux but not suse fedora ....
[01:23] <nightfire> what is the special thing from kubuntu ?
[01:23] <nightfire> what makes it effective?
[01:24] <seth_k> Well, Kubuntu is Debian-based, so we use APT for package management
[01:24] <seth_k> Kubuntu also has a quick release cycle (just 6 months) and so is very up-to-date
[01:24] <nightfire> oh cool I used debian one year
[01:24] <nightfire> I can use apt-get to update too ?
[01:25] <kalenedrael> yes
[01:25] <nightfire> cool sounds good
[01:25] <kalenedrael> apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
[01:25] <kalenedrael> "update" updates the package lists, "upgrade" upgrades packages
[01:25] <nightfire> gentoo and debian are my favorites till now
[01:25] <kalenedrael> (as one would expect)
[01:25] <kalenedrael> i like apt
[01:26] <kalenedrael> kubuntu has been quite friendly so far
[01:26] <nightfire> I am installing it in that moment 
[01:26] <seth_k> I run Breezy Kubuntu on both my boxes now
[01:27] <stibby> "Breezy"?
[01:27] <stibby> is that the newest release?
[01:27] <nightfire> I want to know all linuxes but I will allway have one gentoo box
[01:27] <nightfire> the last one i was testing was archlinux
[01:28] <fromoze> seth_k is breezy considered beta now?
[01:28] <seth_k> Breezy is the unstable version of (K)Ubuntu
[01:28] <seth_k> fromoze: no
[01:28] <fromoze> just alfa?
[01:28] <nightfire> qt4 comes with kde4 ?
[01:28] <seth_k> fromoze: it doesn't really go like that. Colony 2 is out
[01:28] <seth_k> nightfire: yes
[01:28] <nightfire> I can't wait :)))
[01:28] <fromoze> I mean if is waiting for tester or only devs
[01:28] <nightfire> saw some pictures from the gentoo developers
[01:29] <nightfire> it looks hot
[01:29] <fromoze> I can't wait for plasma :)
[01:29] <fromoze> My systray is too much populated XD
[01:29] <nightfire> plasma?
[01:29] <fromoze> don't know plasma?
[01:30] <monchy> codename for kde4
[01:30] <fromoze> is the kde4 replacement for kdesktop, kicker, superkaramba...
[01:30] <fromoze> and kompos to :D
[01:30] <nightfire> no never head of it
[01:31] <nightfire> are there some alpha / beta screenshots?
[01:31] <fromoze> the web is down now
[01:31] <fromoze> but in kde-artists there're some mockups
[01:31] <fromoze> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2005/06/plasma.html
[01:31] <nightfire> i am test on my gentoo box enlightenment-0.17
[01:32] <nightfire> thanx
[01:34] <nightfire> sounds intersting
[01:35] <nightfire> is here someone using openoffice 2.0 beta?
[01:36] <seth_k> i am
[01:36] <seth_k> 1.9.113
[01:36] <nightfire> i run it on my gentoo box
[01:36] <nightfire> but i have not used it much
[01:37] <nightfire> On my gentoo box it seems to be stable :)
[01:38] <seth_k> ay, is quite stable
[01:38] <seth_k> 113 is very close to final
[01:39] <monchy> faster than the 1.1.4 release? loading time wise
[01:40] <seth_k> dunno, i haven't used 1.1.4 in so long
[01:40] <seth_k> I would guess not, it's pretty dog-slow
[01:40] <monchy> damn shame
[01:43] <fromoze> If you don't understand spanish you can just read the  benchmarks http://diegocg.blogspot.com/2005/07/openoffice-20-vs-11.html
[01:43] <fromoze> the first starting to a blank documen and the second opening a .doc
[01:43] <fromoze> it looks it would be slower
[01:44] <fromoze> I don't know if in fedora with gcj it goes better :?
[01:45] <monchy> k i'm going to use babelfish on that lol
[01:45] <fromoze> I don't worry about, I prefer koffice and I just use kile for my works :D
[01:45] <nightfire> i use openoffice BASIC
[01:45] <monchy> i may just use abiword, it's supposed to be slim and fast
[01:46] <fromoze> better kword if you're on kubuntu :)
[01:46] <monchy> on sarge + xfce
[01:47] <fromoze> and why not latex?
[01:48] <nightfire> latex is cool
[01:48] <fromoze> with kile is really easy to use and learnt
[01:48] <nightfire> hrt Weird Al - Windows 95 Sucks.mp3 at 128kbps [2:05 of 2:09] 
[01:50] <fromoze> good night, going to bed!
[01:50] <fromoze> xiau!
[01:50] <nightfire> to use the nvidia drivers on Kubuntu I have to install them manually? 
[01:50] <nightfire> or is there an automated way?
[01:51] <seth_k> sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx
[01:51] <seth_k> :D
[01:51] <seth_k> done
[01:52] <nightfire> seth_k: is that the 3d accerated driver?
[01:52] <seth_k> indeed it is
[01:52] <monchy> be thankful you don't own an ati card
[01:52] <seth_k> i do :/
[01:52] <seth_k> one of each
[01:52] <seth_k> ati is death
[01:52] <monchy> me too, just an ati though
[01:53] <nightfire> i am using linux too long
[01:53] <monchy> and i cry myself to sleep every night thinking about it
[01:53] <seth_k> nvidia: sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx
[01:53] <nightfire> to buy a ati card ^^
[01:53] <seth_k> ati: three hour manual install
[01:53] <seth_k> yay
[01:53] <monchy> nah doesn't me that long
[01:53] <monchy> take*
[01:53] <nightfire> its is on gentoo the same ^^
[01:53] <monchy> 25 minutes
[01:54] <seth_k> yeah, i exaggerated for effect
[01:54] <seth_k> although the first time I did it it did take me several hours
[01:54] <monchy> but yeah, pain in the ass all the way
[01:54] <nightfire> I couldnt set a root password during the install
[01:55] <nightfire> or i have missed it
[01:55] <seth_k> Kubuntu doesn't use root
[01:55] <seth_k> everything is sudo
[01:55] <seth_k> and you use your own password
[01:55] <nightfire> ok
[01:55] <nightfire> that is the first thing which i do change ^^
[01:59] <nightfire> I edited the xorg.conf.  driver "nv" --> driver "nvidia" is that correct in kubuntu too ?
[02:00] <nightfire> end commented out the dri modules
[02:00] <nightfire> and
[02:00] <seth_k> nightfire: sounds good so far
[02:00] <nightfire> ok then i change the sync ranges and reboot
[02:00] <seth_k> good luck
[02:00] <seth_k> just restart X
[02:00] <seth_k> dont' reboot
[02:01] <nightfire> seth_k: i meant that ^^
[02:01] <seth_k> :)
[02:02] <nightfire> it works and the screnn is centered now :)
[02:03] <seth_k> woo
[02:03] <seth_k> glxgears! glxgears! </chant>
[02:03] <monchy> lol
[02:04] <monchy> k i think i'm brave enough to try gentoo now
[02:04] <nightfire> looks good
[02:04] <nightfire> vincent nighty # glxgears
[02:04] <nightfire> 51902 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10380.400 FPS
[02:04] <nightfire> 51071 frames in 5.0 seconds = 10214.200 FPS
[02:05] <nightfire> and root has now a password
[02:06] <supernix> I wonder why when you insert the Kubuntu CD in it brings up a dialog that says Ubuntu ?
[02:07] <nightfire> kubuntu is based on ubuntu
[02:08] <nightfire> only kde
[02:08] <nightfire> instead of gnome as far as i know
[02:08] <monchy> correctamundo
[02:08] <doctor_salvia> hello
[02:08] <doctor_salvia> are there any engineers in here?
[02:08] <supernix> But I would think they would then bring up a menu that said Kubuntu instead
[02:09] <nightfire> monchy: gentoo is very great
[02:09] <nightfire> i have never seen something better than portage
[02:09] <monchy> hard to get installed and stuff?
[02:09] <doctor_salvia> i have a MOS devide apparently to do wit hradiation that is built with an architecture scaled as small as a micron
[02:09] <monchy> i'm only familiar with ubuntu and sarge lol
[02:10] <supernix> hmmmm portage what is that ?
[02:10] <nightfire> monchy: no 
[02:10] <nightfire> the package managemant
[02:10] <nightfire> emerge 
[02:10] <monchy> been wanting to try it for a while but it is quite intimidating ;p
[02:10] <nightfire> emerge kde and gentoo is going to install kde
[02:10] <supernix> OIC didn't know that they had that last time I peeked at Gentoo it was using compressed files to install packages
[02:11] <nightfire> i am not good in english, what does mean intimidating ?=
[02:11] <supernix> means scared
[02:11] <nightfire> supernix: sources
[02:12] <nightfire> have to be compiled locally
[02:12] <nightfire> but you can tune the compiler flags
[02:12] <supernix> Ah
[02:12] <nightfire> needs time but 
[02:13] <nightfire> specially on slow machines you get a good result after compiling
[02:16] <nightfire> I was trying apt-get install mc
[02:16] <nightfire> but ubuntu did not find it 
[02:16] <supernix> Hmmm I don't see any Gentoo LiveCD
[02:16] <nightfire> supernix: use knoppix
[02:16] <nightfire> it is much more comfortable
[02:17] <nightfire> supernix: i can guide you through the installation if you want
[02:17] <supernix> I would use knoppix but it wont support my printer well at least I never could get it to work
[02:17] <nightfire> supernix: no 
[02:17] <nightfire> use knoppix to install gentoo
[02:17] <supernix> I have the live DVD of Knoppix
[02:17] <supernix> Ah I see what your saying now
[02:17] <nightfire> it is ok 
[02:18] <nightfire> the dvd is 3.5
[02:18] <nightfire> isn't it ?
[02:18] <supernix> Actually yes and no they have a DE version of 4.0 out but I have a remastered version that defaults to English
[02:18] <nightfire> in knoppix are only 2 points diffrent to the livecd installation
[02:19] <nightfire> cool a germen 4.0 version ?
[02:19] <supernix> Yep
[02:19] <nightfire> i am going to download 
[02:19] <supernix> You can find the information on distrowatch
[02:19] <supernix> The DVD is so kewl it has so many programs on it
[02:20] <nightfire> do you want install gentoo now?
[02:20] <supernix> Sadly enough for me I never could get the printer to work
[02:20] <supernix> Thanks nightfire for your generous offer but I am only testing the Live CDs and DVDs now
[02:21] <nightfire> supernix: i can help you
[02:21] <supernix> I seriously am thinkig of switching to Linux though they really have done great at making things work better
[02:22] <nightfire> a printer to get to work is quite easy
[02:22] <nightfire> what printer do you use
[02:22] <supernix> I use the HP Deskjet 5150
[02:22] <supernix> it is hooked up using USB
[02:22] <nightfire> that one works great with gimp print
[02:23] <nightfire> /dev/lp0 or /dev/usb/lp0
[02:23] <supernix> Oddly enough Kubuntu had no problem printing to my printer but Knoppix just would not work for me
[02:23] <supernix> What is that /dev/lpo ?
[02:23] <nightfire> 0 = zero
[02:24] <nightfire> that is the devicenode
[02:24] <supernix> OIC so just look in /dev/ for the device lp0 ?
[02:24] <nightfire> yes or /dev/usb/lp0
[02:24] <nightfire> maybe you need to get a ppd file from
[02:25] <supernix> If I reboot to Knoppix DVD can you help me get it working ?
[02:25] <nightfire> http://linuxprinting.org/
[02:25] <nightfire> i can
[02:28] <supernix> Ok I will be right back then thanks in advance for your help nightfire
[02:29] <supernix> Ah man he left me
[02:29] <nightfire> re
[02:29] <supernix> LOL I thought you left me high and dry for a second LOL
[02:30] <supernix> BRB and thank again
[02:30] <nightfire> supernix: no i worked on a script and had to restart irssi
[02:42] <supernix> Hiya everyone
[02:43] <nightfire> wb
[02:43] <supernix> ty
[02:43] <supernix> Ok now what should I do first to get the printer working
[02:44] <nightfire> you are using knoppix ?
[02:44] <supernix> Yes
[02:44] <nightfire> installed on harddisk?
[02:44] <supernix> nah just the live DVD
[02:44] <nightfire> i didn't do that but it should be the same
[02:45] <nightfire> the first way you can try is
[02:45] <nightfire> go to the controlcenter
[02:45] <nightfire> how is angeschlossene gerte called in the english kde ?
[02:46] <nightfire> connected devices ?
[02:46] <nightfire> something like that
[02:47] <nightfire> are you at that point now?
[02:47] <nightfire> or go here
[02:47] <nightfire> http://turboprint.de/english.html
[02:47] <supernix> Yes when I went to the printer section it said could not connect to cups
[02:48] <nightfire> maybe it is free for your printer
[02:48] <nightfire> ahh
[02:48] <nightfire> you must start cups
[02:48] <nightfire> without that it will not work
[02:48] <nightfire> konsole 
[02:48] <nightfire> su
[02:48] <nightfire> /etc/init.d/cups start
[02:48] <nightfire> or cupsd 
[02:49] <nightfire> i am not sure
[02:49] <nightfire> there is only one
[02:51] <ChurcH_of_foamY> anyone here good at installing hard drives?
[02:51] <ChurcH_of_foamY> and getting them to run in linux?
[02:51] <nightfire> ChurcH_of_foamY: sure
[02:51] <nightfire> what is your problem
[02:52] <ChurcH_of_foamY> i am putting a hard drive in my box and don't know how to set it up
[02:52] <ChurcH_of_foamY> can you help?
[02:52] <nightfire> do you know exactly wehere you put it in?
[02:52] <nightfire> primary master ....
[02:52] <ChurcH_of_foamY> /dev/hdb1
[02:53] <nightfire> what do you want now mount it or format it?
[02:54] <nightfire> do you know what mount is?
[02:54] <supernix> I tried it again and after I went through the process of adding a printer it gave me a error can't connect to cupsd
[02:54] <nightfire> supernix: did cups start?
[02:55] <nightfire> The commom unix printing system must be running
[02:55] <supernix> Well I did do su cupsd then it went back to prompt
[02:55] <ChurcH_of_foamY> nightfire both
[02:55] <ChurcH_of_foamY> i paly to use it to store a vast amount of data
[02:56] <nightfire> ChurcH_of_foamY: ok did you alreate a partition ?
[02:56] <ChurcH_of_foamY> no i have no idea how to do any of it
[02:56] <nightfire> ok
[02:56] <nightfire> su cfdisk /dev/hdb
[02:56] <seth_k> s/su/sudo
[02:56] <nightfire> and create a partition there
[02:56] <seth_k> ;)
[02:56] <nightfire> sudo
[02:56] <nightfire> sorry
[02:56] <nightfire> i am new to ubuntu
[02:57] <supernix> hmmm just did cupsd again and exited signal 11
[02:57] <seth_k> no worries
[02:57] <nightfire> but not to linux
[02:57] <nightfire> or do so
[02:57] <nightfire> sudo passwd root
[02:57] <nightfire> and login as root
[02:57] <ChurcH_of_foamY> Unknown id: cfdisk
[02:57] <nightfire> as long as you are configuring
[02:58] <nightfire> ChurcH_of_foamY: can you do sudo passwd root ?
[02:58] <nightfire> supernix: how did you do cups?
[02:58] <supernix> I clicked administrator mode in the control center now it is asking for a password
[02:58] <ChurcH_of_foamY> k done
[02:58] <supernix> cupsd
[02:59] <nightfire> ChurcH_of_foamY: now type su
[02:59] <nightfire> and enter the password you gave root
[02:59] <nightfire> supernix: no
[02:59] <ChurcH_of_foamY> k done
[02:59] <nightfire> try /etc/init.d/cupsd start
[02:59] <nightfire> ChurcH_of_foamY: now try cfdisk
[02:59] <nightfire> wait
[02:59] <nightfire> cfdisk /dev/hdb
[03:00] <ChurcH_of_foamY> k
[03:00] <supernix> I did /etc/init.d/cupsd start and it said no such directory
[03:00] <ChurcH_of_foamY> ok now what?
[03:01] <nightfire> supernix: then your knoppix version is not supported
[03:01] <supernix> ah thanks
[03:01] <nightfire> you need cups or lpd
[03:01] <nightfire> without you can't print
[03:02] <nightfire> ChurcH_of_foamY: create a partition
[03:02] <ChurcH_of_foamY> ok
[03:02] <nightfire> tell me if you are ready
[03:02] <nightfire> btw sorry for my worse english 
[03:02] <ChurcH_of_foamY> ok created a partition
[03:02] <nightfire> i am german 
[03:02] <ChurcH_of_foamY> it's ok
[03:02] <nightfire> write it now
[03:03] <nightfire> ready?
[03:03] <nightfire> now tell me what type of file system do you want?
[03:04] <ChurcH_of_foamY> ext3
[03:04] <nightfire> I prefer reiserfs but some others ext3
[03:04] <nightfire> ok
[03:04] <ChurcH_of_foamY> is riserfs anygood?
[03:04] <nightfire> then do the following now
[03:04] <ChurcH_of_foamY> k
[03:04] <nightfire> ChurcH_of_foamY: All has it advantages and disadvantagesd
[03:04] <ChurcH_of_foamY> k
[03:05] <ChurcH_of_foamY> so what do i do for ext3
[03:05] <nightfire> mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1
[03:06] <nightfire> I never run windows on one of my machines :) 
[03:06] <ChurcH_of_foamY> ok done
[03:06] <nightfire> now crear a directory
[03:07] <nightfire> where you want to mount the disk
[03:07] <ChurcH_of_foamY> how?
[03:07] <nightfire> mkdir 
[03:07] <ChurcH_of_foamY> k done
[03:07] <nightfire> then do 
[03:07] <nightfire> nano /etc/fstab
[03:08] <ChurcH_of_foamY> ok
[03:08] <nightfire> where is the exact dirctory where you want to mount the drive?
[03:10] <nightfire> add that line
[03:10] <nightfire> /dev/hdb1               /path_to_mountpoint               ext3        noatime,rw              0 0
[03:10] <nightfire> but change path_to.....
[03:10] <nightfire> to the directory where you want to mount it
[03:10] <ChurcH_of_foamY> well where it says shane@foamy~$
[03:10] <ChurcH_of_foamY> in the dir attic
[03:10] <nightfire>  in  /attic ?
[03:11] <ChurcH_of_foamY> that must be it ^_^
[03:11] <nightfire> kk
[03:11] <nightfire> /dev/hdb1               /attic               ext3        noatime,rw              0 0
[03:11] <seth_k> nightfire: noatime?
[03:11] <nightfire> oh it is from riser
[03:12] <ChurcH_of_foamY> i want any user to be able to read and wright to this drive
[03:12] <ChurcH_of_foamY> so just use the same command?
[03:12] <nightfire> change noatime to defaults
[03:12] <nightfire> please
[03:13] <nightfire> after that save it
[03:13] <nightfire> and do
[03:13] <nightfire> mount /attic
[03:13] <nightfire> then your harddrive should be mountes in /attic
[03:14] <ChurcH_of_foamY> mount: mount point /attic does not exist
[03:14] <nightfire> mkdir /attic
[03:14] <bonggnu> hi, in k3b i can not make an audio cd from mp3 files, the error says "error decoding audio tracks" 
[03:14] <godsmoke> bonggnu: do you have the mp3 libs?
[03:14] <ChurcH_of_foamY> i already did
[03:15] <nightfire> ls -lsa /attic
[03:15] <nightfire> says what?
[03:15] <ChurcH_of_foamY> in terminal it's in shane@foamy:~/attic$
[03:15] <ChurcH_of_foamY> i don't know how else to put it accept how it says
[03:15] <bonggnu>  says /usr/bin/cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '1,0,0'.              
[03:15] <bonggnu> but i have cdrecord!
[03:16] <ChurcH_of_foamY> nightfire did i stump you? i'm sorry >.<
[03:16] <nightfire> what happens when you do
[03:16] <godsmoke> ChurcH_of_foamY: you're a retard ...
[03:17] <nightfire> mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /attic
[03:17] <godsmoke> ~/attic is NOT /attic
[03:17] <ChurcH_of_foamY> godsmoke fuck you leave me alone you little 10 year old peace of shit
[03:17] <godsmoke> ~/attic is /HOMEDIRECTORYSTRUCTURE/attic
[03:17] <nightfire> did you create it in your homedir?!?
[03:17] <godsmoke> nightfire: look at the directory he's referring to
 in terminal it's in shane@foamy:~/attic$
[03:17] <ChurcH_of_foamY> yes i think so
[03:17] <bonggnu> godsmoke: cabn you suggest me something about my problem with k3b ?
[03:17] <nightfire> it is late here
[03:18] <nightfire> i am tired
[03:18] <ChurcH_of_foamY> i know it's ok
[03:18] <ChurcH_of_foamY> and thank you
[03:18] <godsmoke> bonggnu: nope -- don't know off-hand -- I'd play around with it
[03:18] <bonggnu> ok
[03:18] <nightfire> ChurcH_of_foamY: than you must change
[03:18] <nightfire> in fstab to /home/user/attic (user = your username)
[03:19] <ChurcH_of_foamY> k
[03:19] <nightfire> maybe you have to chmod the directory
[03:20] <nightfire> that is diffrent in some distributione
[03:20] <nightfire> can you mount it now ?
[03:21] <nightfire> if yes then try    df -h
[03:21] <nightfire> and check if it is listed there
[03:22] <ChurcH_of_foamY> yes
[03:22] <nightfire> then you can do
[03:22] <nightfire> exit
[03:22] <nightfire> and work futher as normal user
[03:22] <ChurcH_of_foamY> is that all?
[03:22] <ChurcH_of_foamY> thank you so much
[03:22] <nightfire> no problem
[03:22] <ChurcH_of_foamY> i really appriciate all the help you have given me
[03:23] <ChurcH_of_foamY> your alot nicer than some of the people in this room
[03:23] <nightfire> Why not
[03:23] <ChurcH_of_foamY> why not what?
[03:23] <unome> No new emails in any folders matching 'inbox'
[03:24] <nightfire> it means that it is normal for me to help if i can
[03:24] <nightfire> bad translated from german
[03:24] <ChurcH_of_foamY> it's ok
[03:24] <ChurcH_of_foamY> i undrstand man
[03:24] <ChurcH_of_foamY> well you have a nice night and again thanx
[03:24] <nightfire> u 2
[03:25] <ChurcH_of_foamY> ^_^
[03:30] <supernix> Does anyone know the password for root in Knoppix ?
[03:30] <nightfire> su
[03:30] <nightfire> passwd
[03:30] <nightfire> and you set one
[03:30] <nightfire> there is no root password by default
[03:31] <nightfire> for i in `qpkg -I -nc | grep kde`;  do emerge -C $i ; done ; 
[03:31] <nightfire> oh sorry
[03:31] <nightfire> I wanted to do that on my console
[03:31] <nightfire> irssi was irritating me 
[03:33] <nightfire> how can i install midnight commander in kubuntu
[03:33] <nightfire> apt-get install mc 
[03:33] <nightfire> doesn't work
[03:34] <kalenedrael> nightfire, define "doesn't work"
[03:35] <nightfire> he doesn't find the any packages
[03:36] <kalenedrael> paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to some pastebin
[03:36] <nightfire> ok 
[03:38] <nightfire> http://nopaste.php-q.net/145625
[03:45] <nightfire> is there something wrong?
[03:46] <kalenedrael> one moment
[03:47] <nightfire> ok
[03:47] <kalenedrael> ah, open up universe
[03:47] <kalenedrael> uncomment those lines
[03:47] <nightfire> all ?
[03:47] <kalenedrael> no
[03:47] <kalenedrael> the two lines that only have one hash next to them
[03:47] <kalenedrael> er, the four lines (two and two)
[03:48] <nightfire> ok
[03:48] <nightfire> thx
[03:50] <nightfire> i am not familar to kubuntu so far 
[03:50] <nightfire> using gentoo for a long time 
[03:50] <nightfire> but now mc is installing
[03:51] <kalenedrael> ok
[03:51] <kalenedrael> yes, all the "interesting" packages are in universe
[03:52] <_kl> the VERY interesting ones not (libdvdcss2 and w32codecs)
[03:52] <nightfire> I will now need to get a working development-enviroment ^^
[03:52] <nightfire> apt will help me :)
[03:52] <JayParadise> wasnt dvdcss involved in a legal dispute in like 2000
[03:53] <_kl> JayParadise: yes, but it
[03:53] <_kl> gar..
[03:53] <JayParadise> i saw this movie caled nyc hackers and it talked about it
[03:53] <_kl> JayParadise: yes, but it'sstill required to watch most DVDs on Linux
[03:53] <JayParadise> so the ability to copy dvds originated on linux and migrated to windows?
[03:54] <kalenedrael> yes
[03:54] <JayParadise> i see
[03:54] <_kl> I think so
[03:54] <nightfire> how are deamons such as ssh started and added to a runlevel in kubuntu ?
[03:54] <kalenedrael> with scripts
[03:54] <kalenedrael> in /etc/init.d
[03:54] <_kl> at least on Windows this is only used for illegal thinks, on Linux not
[03:54] <JayParadise> yea i gotta edit mine to kill the ntp 
[03:54] <kalenedrael> and symlinks to them in /etc/rc*.d
[03:54] <nightfire> do i need to link them manually
[03:54] <kalenedrael> no
[03:54] <JayParadise> so tru _kl 
[03:54] <kalenedrael> you shouldn't
[03:55] <kalenedrael> Jay, you can manually hit ctrl-c when it's starting ntp on boot to kill it
[03:55] <JayParadise> lots of windows users just pirate all day, i used to too. when i switched to linux i havent pirated 
[03:55] <nightfire> ok 
[03:55] <kalenedrael> or you can remove it from rc*.d but i imagine that it is useful
[03:55] <kalenedrael> heh, in linux there's no need to pirate
[03:55] <nightfire> i will now install the ssh deamon
[03:56] <JayParadise> kalenedrael: when i do that, i end up stopping the boot process, when i get frusterated i try to send signals, ctrl c, d , z etc
[03:56] <kalenedrael> i thought ssh was supposed to be installed from the cd
[03:56] <JayParadise> and it will stop, i have to leave the room for it to start right
[03:56] <kalenedrael> hmm
[03:56] <JayParadise> that and mysqld
[03:56] <JayParadise> i dont use it so may as well remove it
[03:56] <kalenedrael> is this with kubuntu?
[03:56] <JayParadise> well yea thats what i boot into
[03:57] <kalenedrael> ok
[03:57] <kalenedrael> hmm, odd
[03:57] <kalenedrael> i can hit ctrl-c while it's starting anything and kill it
[03:57] <nightfire> kalenedrael: i did not found ssh in /etc/init.d/ ...
[03:57] <nightfire> but now it is after installing it
[03:58] <JayParadise> i wish there was a way to change the way you open documetns with certain appplications, like the kde way rather than the gnome way
[03:58] <kalenedrael> nightfire, i think it's sshd
[03:58] <kalenedrael> oh
[03:59] <JayParadise> gedit for example, im tryin to get to /etc/init.d and i have to manually go to it, itd just be quicker the kde way, sure there is a way to change that but .........eh
[03:59] <kalenedrael> oh, right
[03:59] <kalenedrael> no, gedit is gtk-based
[03:59] <kalenedrael> and gtk comes with its own file opening thing
[03:59] <nightfire> kalenedrael: it is not there because i wrote ssh and pressed tab
[03:59] <kalenedrael> kde uses qt
[03:59] <kalenedrael> nightfire, ok
[04:01] <nightfire> ok works
[04:02] <nightfire> after generating a key
[04:02] <goat> hey for wireless how do i find my mac address?
[04:03] <seth_k> iwconfig should do it
[04:03] <seth_k> ifconfig for non-wireless stuff
[04:03] <JayParadise> in the directory /etc/init.d
[04:03] <JayParadise> if i delete scripts in there
[04:03] <JayParadise> will they not load?
[04:03] <kl_> damn konversation, doesn't want to reconnect after S3
[04:03] <JayParadise> im on konversation
[04:03] <JayParadise> i like it
[04:04] <kl_> I like it too, but this bug sucks
[04:04] <JayParadise> ./etc/init.d seems like it has all the services that boot and i see ntpupdate there, im htinking if i simply delete it if itl stop
[04:04] <kl_> one of the 2 remaining prblems here (the other one is a very loud fan after resume)
[04:05] <kl_> ...sometimes...
[04:05] <kl_> 4h01m - goood :)
[04:06] <JayParadise> deleting /etc/init.d scripts wont harm the system right? like it wont futily search for ntpdate forever on boot if its gone
[04:06] <JayParadise> its allright, other places to ask
[04:07] <kl_> hmm, stromversorgung fr Soundkarte kann man doch auch abwrgen :)
[04:07] <seth_k> JayParadise: just chmod them non-executable
[04:07] <seth_k> JayParadise: that way they're easy to re-enable should you ever want them again
[04:08] <nightfire> i am going to bed
[04:08] <nightfire> gnite
[04:08] <kl_> night
[04:08] <nightfire> @ all
[04:08] <seth_k> night nightfire 
[04:08] <nightfire> cu
[04:08] <seth_k> kl_: after S3?
[04:08] <kl_> resume from suspend
[04:08] <seth_k> ah right
[04:09] <kl_> then you need to reconnect, but the entry in the menu doesn't want to work
[04:09] <seth_k> bugs.kde.org :D
[04:09] <seth_k> or maybe filing an ubuntu bug would be more appropriate, dunno
[04:09] <kl_> maybeit
[04:09] <kl_> gna..
[04:10] <kl_> maybe it's a pebkac issue  ;)
[04:11] <seth_k> haha
[04:11] <kl_> well, time for sleep (for me and for this Laptop)
[04:13] <hike> can someone help
[04:13] <hike> i have problems with my kcontrol app
[04:15] <hike> every time i click on the administrator mode button after giving it my password it returns to the top page
[04:17] <seth_k> have you installed KDE 3.4.1
[04:17] <hike> for example if i want to go into the admin mode in the "internet & network -> network settings" i click on the admin mode button and after giving it my pass it'll return me to the "internet & network" page
[04:18] <seth_k> hike, that problem happens with KDE 3.4. Have you installed 3.4.1?
[04:18] <hike> my kde version is...
[04:18] <hike> 3.4.0
[04:19] <hike> can i just do an apt-get to install it?
[04:19] <seth_k> hike, you need to upgrade. See /topic and click the KDE 3.4.1 link
[04:19] <seth_k> yep
[04:20] <goat> where do i check my KDE version?
[04:20] <goat> nvr mind
[04:21] <hike> i want to know that too cause y checke mine in kcontrol
[04:21] <hike> is there a command to know my kde ver
[04:22] <hike> seth_k: where do I see "/topic"
[04:23] <goat> type "/topic" at the bottom
[04:23] <goat> and i found out my kde version by right clicking on the kicker (Startbar for windows people like me) then help>about KDE
[04:23] <seth_k> hike, just hit help > about KDE in any KDE app to see your version
[04:23] <hike> ok got it
[04:24] <goat> kciker = start bar right?
[04:24] <goat> lol
[04:24] <seth_k> so go to http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php/ and follow the directions there to upgrade
[04:24] <hike> great thanx you guys
[04:32] <hike> i followed instrucctions did an apt-get update and apt-get install kde and it says I have the newest version
[04:35] <seth_k> use kynaptic
[04:35] <seth_k> and mark all upgrades
[04:35] <seth_k> not install
[04:35] <godsmoke> uh
[04:36] <godsmoke> do NOT use kynaptic
[04:36] <godsmoke> do "apt-get update"
[04:36] <godsmoke> and then "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[04:36] <hike> got it
[04:36] <hike> i regularly use kpackage
[04:37] <seth_k> oy godsmoke, kynaptic isn't THAT bad :P
[04:37] <godsmoke> well, I wouldn't suggest any *ynaptic
[04:37] <godsmoke> but, kynaptic is especially bad
[04:38] <hike> well thanks again
[04:38] <hike> im off
[04:38] <godsmoke> later
[04:38] <hike> good bye from Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico
[04:39] <seth_k> bye hike 
[04:39] <godsmoke> goodbye from Manhattan, New York City, New York, USA, World, Universe
[04:39] <godsmoke> heh
[04:40] <goat> hey seth_k  my upgrade aint workin
[04:40] <godsmoke> goat: what's the problem?
[04:41] <goat> well
[04:51] <Kapubaten> hi. i'm new user for kubuntu and a newbie
[04:51] <Kapubaten> can anybody help me 
[04:51] <Kapubaten> how can i see my windows files thru kubuntu. try it but it seem can't mount
[04:51] <seth_k> hi Kapubaten 
[04:52] <Kapubaten> hi seth
[04:52] <seth_k> can you paste the contents of your /etc/fstab for me at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl ?
[04:52] <godsmoke> Kapubaten: have you followed the instructions on http://www.ubuntuguide.org/?
[04:52] <Kapubaten> nope
[04:52] <godsmoke> why on earth would ubuntu need its own pastebin
[04:52] <godsmoke> Kapubaten: that would be a good place to start
[04:52] <Kapubaten> thanks godsmoke
[04:53] <Kapubaten> i will look into it now ;)
[04:53] <godsmoke> there's a section called "Windows"
[04:53] <godsmoke> it explains a few methods
[04:53] <Kapubaten> ok
[04:53] <Kapubaten> thanks
[04:53] <godsmoke> no problem
[04:54] <Kapubaten> previous i'm using knoppix but one of my friend give me kubuntu
[04:54] <Kapubaten> and it look so easy
[04:55] <seth_k> Kubuntu is very friendly
[04:55] <Kapubaten> one more question... hehehe
[04:56] <seth_k> ask away :)
[04:56] <Kapubaten> samba..... from kubuntu to communicate with window file it very easy by just type smb://192.168.0.33/ ( example )
[04:57] <Kapubaten> but when come kubuntu to kubuntu...... it can't
[04:57] <godsmoke> well ... there's no universal linux file sharing system
[04:57] <godsmoke> you have to chose the option that's best for you
[04:57] <seth_k> you must enable file sharing in the KDE control panel
[04:57] <godsmoke> NFS fits most people's needs
[04:58] <Kapubaten> can kubuntu be a server?
[04:58] <godsmoke> Kubuntu is just a set of linux packages
[04:58] <Kapubaten> i mean act like a server 
[04:58] <godsmoke> anything can be a server
[04:58] <seth_k> indeed
[04:59] <Kapubaten> wow
[04:59] <Kapubaten> i hope new version of kubuntu will add in "Wine" package 
[04:59] <godsmoke> wine is already there
[05:00] <Kapubaten> not in my laptop
[05:00] <seth_k> yep, sudo aptitude install wine
[05:00] <godsmoke> sudo apt-get install wine ...
[05:00] <seth_k> you can install all sorts of stuff through the apt system
[05:00] <godsmoke> I don't know why aptitude would be chosen there
[05:00] <Kapubaten> hold on
[05:00] <Kapubaten> i want to try now
[05:01] <seth_k> because aptitude can keep track of dependencies in a better manner. It's always a good move to make
[05:01] <godsmoke> sege: aptitude doesn't track dependences
[05:01] <godsmoke> seth_k:*
[05:02] <godsmoke> anyway
[05:02] <godsmoke> wine is in universe
[05:02] <godsmoke> so, he'll need to add that
[05:02] <Kapubaten>  sudo apt-get install wine
[05:02] <Kapubaten> Password:
[05:02] <Kapubaten> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[05:02] <Kapubaten> i get this info godsmoke
[05:02] <godsmoke> Kapubaten: do what it tells you ...
[05:03] <Kapubaten> ok
[05:03] <godsmoke> it obviously broke the last time you were installing something
[05:03] <Kapubaten> ok
[05:03] <seth_k> godsmoke: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html
[05:04] <Kapubaten> in that web
[05:04] <seth_k> it will keep track of what packages are pulled in by dependencies alone, and remove those packages when they are no longer needed.
[05:04] <godsmoke> sege: deborphan does that
[05:04] <godsmoke> that's not aptitude
[05:04] <godsmoke> that's kept track of internally
[05:04] <godsmoke> aptitude just calls it up
[05:04] <Kapubaten> hmmm
[05:04] <seth_k> my point is that apt-get doesn't do the same
[05:04] <godsmoke> sigh
[05:05] <Kapubaten> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[05:05] <godsmoke> aptitude is bloat -- there's no reason to instruct a user to launch it to install a simple package
[05:05] <Kapubaten> help me on this godsmoke
[05:05] <Kapubaten> :))
[05:05] <godsmoke> Kapubaten: I told you to do what it said
[05:05] <seth_k> Kapubaten: sudo dpkg --configure -a just like it says
[05:05] <Kapubaten> oo
[05:05] <Kapubaten> ok ok
[05:05] <Kapubaten> hold on
[05:05] <closure> ok
[05:05] <closure> i'm bored
[05:06] <godsmoke> there should be an english comprehension test to talk in here
[05:06] <godsmoke> it's a real problem sometimes
[05:06] <closure> what's something fun to play with ?
[05:06] <Kapubaten> sudo dpkg --configure
[05:06] <Kapubaten> dpkg: --configure needs at least one package name argument
[05:06] <Kapubaten> what does it mean?
[05:06] <Kapubaten> got it
[05:06] <Kapubaten> :))
[05:07] <Kapubaten> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:07] <Kapubaten> Setting up gdm (2.6.0.7-0ubuntu7) ...
[05:07] <Kapubaten>  * Reloading GNOME Display Manager configuration...
[05:07] <godsmoke> why are you installing gdm?
[05:07] <closure> oh man i hate gdm
[05:07] <Kapubaten> why must gnome. i love kde
[05:07] <Kapubaten> :))
[05:07] <godsmoke> Kapubaten: you TOLD it to install gdm, obviously
[05:07] <Kapubaten> now under setting up
[05:07] <godsmoke> it didn't do it on its own
[05:08] <Kapubaten> Setting up yelp (2.9.3cvs20050222-0ubuntu4) ...
[05:08] <Kapubaten> finish godsmoke
[05:08] <godsmoke> Kapubaten: please, don't paste every step
[05:09] <Kapubaten> ok
[05:09] <Kapubaten> i already install wine
[05:10] <godsmoke> ok -- then there's no problem
[05:10] <Kapubaten> it write
[05:10] <godsmoke> I don't know what that means
[05:10] <Kapubaten> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[05:10] <seth_k> he needs universe
[05:10] <godsmoke> you need to add the universe repositories
[05:10] <Kapubaten> wow
[05:10] <Kapubaten> what that ? :))
[05:10] <godsmoke> look it up -- it's on the ubuntu website
[05:11] <godsmoke> it's also on ubuntuguide
[05:11] <Kapubaten> ok
[05:11] <Kapubaten> that a lot guys
[05:11] <Kapubaten> i need to go
[05:11] <Kapubaten> i need to see my boss
[05:11] <Kapubaten> thanks a lots
[05:12] <dicrapio> need some help disabling the blank screen that goes off after being idle
[05:12] <Kapubaten> where are you from godsmoke & seth_k?
[05:12] <godsmoke> dicrapio: blank screen?
[05:12] <godsmoke> dicrapio: you mean -- a screensaver?
[05:12] <Kapubaten> I'm from malaysia. Bye and Thank you.
[05:12] <dicrapio> after not using the computer for a whjile
[05:12] <Kapubaten> -n-
[05:12] <dicrapio> screen goes black
[05:12] <godsmoke> I'd assume that you'd go to the screensaver settings -- and tell it to not turn off the screen, or not make it black
[05:13] <seth_k> Kapubaten: Missouri, USA
[05:13] <seth_k> Kapubaten: best of luck
[05:13] <godsmoke> if it's actually shutting off the lcd, then it might be in the power settings
[05:13] <dicrapio> nah  i think think is xorg's default setting
[05:15] <dicrapio> or, is there a place i can put a command to be executed when i log in to X
[05:18] <seth_k> in KDE, go to ~/.kde/Autostart
[05:18] <seth_k> you can put shortcuts or shell scripts in there
[05:19] <seth_k> and they will be executed upon login to KDE
[05:19] <dicrapio> k
[07:01] <kubuntufan> how do I install themes??
[07:02] <kubuntufan> there is no configure file!
[07:02] <kubuntufan> help!!!!!!!!! how do I install new themes??
[07:11] <kubuntufan> help!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:59] <stisev> hi all
[07:59] <supernix> Hi
[07:59] <stisev> Hiyyas =)
[08:00] <supernix> could someone please explain why when I boot into the LiveCD that it messes my clock up ?
[08:00] <stisev> anyone use VMWare here. (I know, but this is ubuntu question!)
[08:00] <stisev> The person in #vmware helped me out, but eventually we came to point where linux took over or something.
[08:01] <goat> hello?
[08:02] <goat> uhhhh my upgrade to KDE 3.4.1 isnt going too well
[08:02] <loren> w00t man it feels soOOoOO good to run a kvm switch
[08:02] <stisev> eh
[08:02] <loren> simplifies things so much
[08:02] <stisev> how so
[08:02] <stisev> heh
[08:03] <loren> i have windows on and linux at the same time
[08:03] <stisev> makes things MORE confusing =p
[08:03] <loren> just convienient
[08:03] <stisev> when the kvm doesn't work =p
[08:03] <loren> lol
[08:03] <stisev> loren: what kind of KVM?
[08:03] <supernix> LOL not always I had a old one that would mess your keyboard up and such
[08:03] <stisev> linkage?
[08:03] <kubuntufan> help how do install new iconsets??
[08:03] <supernix> The digital KVM solves that issue though
[08:03] <loren> ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssswooooo
[08:03] <goat> ok so i added deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main to my /etc/apt/sources.list and then i try to upgrade with kynaptic but it doesn't upgrade....
[08:04] <kubuntufan> help how do install new iconsets??
[08:04] <kubuntufan> help how do install new iconsets??
[08:04] <stisev> supernix
[08:04] <supernix> yes ?
[08:04] <stisev> supernix : what's a digital kvm?
[08:04] <stisev> kvm over IP?
[08:05] <supernix> instead of using a analog switch it uses a digital switch
[08:05] <stisev> o_O
[08:05] <stisev> can you explain that a little more?
[08:05] <kubuntufan> how to install new themes???????????????????????????
[08:05] <stisev> digital switch?
[08:05] <goat>  isnt a kvm switch jsut a box to alternate between two or more computers controller by one single keyboard + mouse?
[08:05] <goat> but is digital like no box maybe?
[08:05] <supernix> Youll have to look them up on google to get the whole ball of wax about how they work internally
[08:06] <stisev> ah k
[08:06] <supernix> Yup
[08:06] <stisev> The way I do it -->
[08:06] <goat> haha... more 1337 than me i guess
[08:06] <stisev> Windows XP SP2 is my main sys on my laptop
[08:06] <stisev> I've got VMWare 5 workstation with linux on it
[08:06] <stisev> works great
[08:06] <stisev> BUT, i'm trying to get all the graphics stuff working
[08:06] <goat> i need to get around to SP2 :/
[08:06] <kubuntufan> NO ONE HERE TO HELP!!!
[08:06] <stisev> for accelerated graphics (the driver)
[08:06] <stisev> kubuntufan: calm down
[08:06] <stisev> he
[08:07] <kubuntufan> plz help me how to install new themes/iconsets
[08:07] <supernix> Why in the world is it that you only have the highest resolution of 1024 x 768 when my ATI card can do much more
[08:08] <stisev> eh
[08:08] <stisev> in vmware?
[08:09] <crimsun_> check the vertical refresh and horizontal sync parameters in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:10] <chromate> hi
[08:10] <loren> hey
[08:10] <loren> it appears my situation doesn't come without a sense of irony i guess lol
[08:11] <loren> When i switched the kvm switch to windows to change the song it erm, make linux freek out
[08:11] <chromate> i've got a fresh install of kubuntu running, when i try to upgrade/install anything else i get this error: Failed to fetch http://thefileurl MD5Sum mismatch... try runing with --fix-missing, but that does nothing ... it doesn't install
[08:11] <loren> repeating input
[08:11] <loren> chromate: try a different computer jk :P
[08:11] <chromate> loren: try switching to a terminal before using the kvm switch
[08:11] <loren> chromate: thanks
[08:11] <crimsun_> chromate: use a different mirror, say, ca.archive or uk.archive or archive instead of us.archive
[08:12] <chromate> crimsum: is us.archive down?
[08:12] <crimsun_> chromate: no, it's just having issues again
[08:12] <supernix> Why in the world is it that you only have the highest resolution of 1024 x 768 when my ATI card can do much more
[08:12] <loren> chromate: cool that worked :P
[08:12] <loren> chromate: thanks :P
[08:12] <chromate> supernix: your monitor may be limiting it
[08:12] <chromate> loren: np
[08:12] <supernix> hmmmm
[08:13] <supernix> That sucks it works fine under XP
[08:13] <chromate> supernix: ah. are you sure you're using the ATI drivers then?
[08:13] <loren> chromate: look for statistics online possibly to find the max resolution
[08:13] <supernix> Well not sure I just boot it up and go
[08:13] <loren> chromate: if it can go higher maby look into getting drivers other than Generic
[08:13] <loren> whoops, wronge person
[08:14] <loren> [16:13]  <loren> chromate: look for statistics online possibly to find the max resolution
[08:14] <loren> [16:13]  <supernix> Well not sure I just boot it up and go
[08:14] <loren> [16:13]  <loren> chromate: if it can go higher maby look into getting drivers other than
[08:14] <chromate> supernix: so you haven't done any manual config?
[08:14] <chromate> supernix: check in the kcontrolpanel to see if there's any information about the video card, and what driver is being used by xorg
[08:15] <supernix> Nah I didnt know if I could change the configuration
[08:15] <loren> goat: check the kubuntu channel lol
[08:15] <supernix> You have been so helpful can you please tell me why when I boot to Kubuntu that it messes my time up on my PC when I reboot back to XP ?
[08:15] <chromate> crimsun_: thanks, that seemed to have donet he trick
[08:16] <qbit> i altered my xorg.conf to get 1152x864 by manually editing it
[08:17] <loren> where's xorg.conf located? curious
[08:17] <qbit> its in /etc/X11
[08:18] <loren> ty
[08:18] <loren> haha here we come 40000x2000
[08:18] <loren> lol
[08:18] <qbit> get your Horizsync and VertRefresh numbers to match your monitor
[08:19] <qbit> then in the Section Screen => Subsection Display add in what you need
[08:19] <loren> is it me, or is Kubuntu the easiest to use version of linux available
[08:19] <loren> im curious what people have tried that comes close
[08:19] <qbit> check out your /var/log/Xorg.0.log extensively for information
[08:20] <qbit> I'm a FreeBSD type and have tried Suse 9.1, and about a week ago I pulled the iso down and installed it
[08:21] <qbit> been using FreeBSD for a long time and wanted to learn more about how Linux is coming along
[08:21] <qbit> so far I am kind of liking it
[08:22] <goat> still looking for help upgrading to KDE 3.4.1.... if you don't want to answer that's cool but could you direct to a place where I could get some help?
[08:23] <qbit> haven't tried the KDE 3.4.1 upgrade yet so I don't know
[08:23] <goat> hmmm
[08:23] <goat> i followed instructions but I'm not getting it all
[08:23] <qbit> from what I've read it should be just a matter of adding in the right lines into the sources.list
[08:23] <goat> yea
[08:23] <goat> i hit the link in the topic here
[08:23] <goat> and added the line
[08:24] <qbit> but since I haven't actually done it can't say if it works   :-)
[08:24] <goat> then i go in kynaptic and upgrade through that but im not sure im getting the right packages and I also know that some are "unabled to be installed"
[08:25] <qbit> yeah - I just got KvIRC 3.2.0 installed using kpackage doing it manually, now anything I want to add in Kynaptic now wants to remove it first
[08:25] <qbit> talk about an annoyance
[08:26] <goat> y does installing gotta be so hard with nix :/
[08:27] <goat> this is my second try at nix lol
[08:27] <qbit> I'm spoiled by the FreeBSD ports system
[08:27] <loren> whys that?
[08:27] <loren> is it nice?
[08:27] <qbit> it just works
[08:27] <goat> what is it?
[08:27] <goat> i liek that line "it jsut works"
[08:27] <qbit> it's a system for compiling software
[08:28] <qbit> it handles dependencies pretty well
[08:28] <loren> lol, technically because the license is under BSD you could port it just like that *
[08:28] <loren> (not the porting part, but being able to that is)
[08:28] <loren> i think
[08:28] <qbit> and is maintained by programmers who develope software patches so things can "port" to 'BSD
[08:29] <qbit> I've heard the Gentoo is like that
[08:29] <goat> *rage*
[08:29] <qbit> but never used it either
[08:29] <loren> ah
[08:29] <loren> i tried installing it like 10 times
[08:29] <loren> never worked
[08:29] <loren> and then somehow i got a live cd? don't ask me how
[08:29] <loren> and it was alright-ish
[08:29] <loren> i think i downloaded that distro more than any other distro ever
[08:30] <qbit> 'BSD makes a better server and I'm beginning to believe things like Kubuntu make a better desktop
[08:30] <supernix> How many of you have used the liveCD to install Kubuntu permanently or in a dual boot with XP ?
[08:30] <loren> hm? what livecd?
[08:30] <qbit> I dual boot XP
[08:30] <loren> klax?
[08:30] <loren> i kvm xp
[08:30] <loren> more convienient
[08:30] <qbit> I have two drives, one with XP - one with Kubuntu
[08:30] <supernix> Kubuntu is a livecd as best I can recall
[08:30] <loren> ah
[08:31] <qbit> and the install was easy!
[08:31] <loren> nice :P
[08:31] <crimsun_> there's a Kubuntu install iso
[08:31] <goat> y the need for a live cd?
[08:31] <supernix> I have however heard that you can use the CD to install Kubuntu
[08:31] <crimsun_> I run the live cd, though
[08:31] <loren> is there any difference installing from a livecd other than installing from the reg version?
[08:31] <qbit> performance wise the 2.6 kernel is now up to being about equal with 'BSD
[08:31] <crimsun_> loren: you can't install from the live cd
[08:31] <loren> crimsun: AH, i was confused lol
[08:31] <supernix> Ah so you can't install from the LiveCD ?
[08:32] <qbit> it seems the drive speed is a little better in Linux and network speed is better in BSD
[08:32] <crimsun_> supernix: correct. Use the install cd to install Kubuntu onto the hard drive.
[08:32] <loren> qbit: you think so? hmmh, what made BSD better in the past? imo linux is still pretty messy
[08:32] <loren> qbit: ah
[08:32] <qbit> loren: I agree with the messy part big time
[08:32] <goat> i set up a dual boot system with lilo and mandrake about half a year ago
[08:32] <loren> qbit: i wish there would be an anual "clean-up month"
[08:33] <loren> qbit: it would hella make things eay better
[08:33] <goat> ^^ just using the mandrake install disc
[08:33] <qbit> but until recently Linux couldn't hold a candle for speed but that is going away
[08:33] <supernix> How well does Kubuntu do about partitioning ?
[08:33] <supernix> Or better yet is it ok to go with the defaults ?
[08:33] <loren> supernix: it worked fine with defaults for me, but i didn't partition it with windows, so dunno
[08:34] <loren> supernix: best bet would be to partition it with kubuntu or whatever, install windows, and then install kubuntu i think
[08:34] <loren> supernix: i'm actually pretty stupid though when it comes to linux, but that's what i would do
[08:34] <supernix> Ah ok just curious as I have installed other distros only to find out the programs partition was to small or the users partition was not big enough
[08:34] <qbit> install windows first, then install kubuntu and let it install grub into the mbr for a boot menu
[08:34] <goat> i jsut did my install yesterday and im wondering if i recall a "dual boot" option but im really not sure, however, the partitioning under kubuntu install was much more difficult than my mandrake dual boot install which had gui and everything
[08:35] <loren> superix: ah, nice, i do know mandrake is the smoothest partitioning distro ever though, and xandros can take ntfs and turn it into ext3, mandrake erm just works, kubuntu, i assume it works alright as it is debian derived
[08:35] <supernix> Mandrake is hard to beat or at least they were several years back
[08:35] <qbit> my windows install is on my first drive and the kubuntu is on the second, and when it came to write out the bootloader [grub]  I put it on the mbr of the first drive
[08:35] <goat> back then i was somehow able to install a dual boot even when i didnt know linux called harddisks by hda/hdb etc. lol
[08:36] <qbit> it's so easy even an MCSE can do it   :-)
[08:36] <loren> supernix: i agree with that fact on mandrake, ah but here's another thing lol, ok install windows on NTFS, install linux on ext3 and give them a couple gigs more space than you think they'll need for data and programs, and then make another parition fat32 so it's cross-platformed
[08:37] <supernix> But I positively hate those RPM
[08:37] <supernix> OMG they suck
[08:37] <loren> qbit: ROFL ahhaha, it makes me really laugh sometimes how stupid Techs are, they know $hitz about a lot of stuff and have things easy
[08:37] <qbit> thank god for alien
[08:37] <goat> yea dont go the way of mandrake 
[08:37] <goat> i am liking kubuntu much more even if i cant figure out the whole apt thing
[08:37] <loren> goat: i agree, mandrake is overbloated with too much software like suse
[08:38] <loren> goat: it affects the speed of the OS with the 3/4 cds
[08:38] <supernix> I used freebsd once and it was great installing programs with it as it would get and build everything for you
[08:38] <qbit> loren: I've had a CNE, CNE, and currently work as the MCSE drone  :-)
[08:38] <loren> goat: nice, as for the apt thing, it's actually kindof simple and easy, least for me, i got used to it easily actually
[08:38] <qbit> err second CNE was supposed to be CBE
[08:39] <loren> goat: maby it's because you were what is CNE?
[08:39] <loren> whoah i meant to erase that
[08:39] <qbit> lol
[08:39] <loren> what is CNE?
[08:39] <qbit> Certified Novell guy
[08:39] <loren> nice :P 
[08:39] <qbit> CBE is for Banyan Vines
[08:39] <supernix> I will have to play with Kubuntu more before I commit to it
[08:39] <loren> i dont get what the silly certifications are
[08:39] <supernix> My friend says that Kubuntu is the best of all the distros
[08:39] <goat> loren: apt's getting annoying because KDe aint updating and i tried to set up the whole "backports" thing but thats also having troubles
[08:40] <qbit> paper certs are worthless
[08:40] <loren> why not just have a "Linux Administrators Certification"
[08:40] <qbit> but if you have serious experience you can just walk in off the street and take the tests
[08:40] <goat> loren: but its probably my noobness really
[08:40] <loren> goat: owch, you might be compelled to use gentoo then as i've heard it's heaven and have wished for a porting of portage
[08:41] <qbit> I've seen so many "admins" over the years who just didn't have any real "ability"
[08:41] <supernix> Um Gentoo is it ok ?
[08:41] <goat> lol, i figure if other peopelk can use kubuntu.. y o y can't i? haha
[08:41] <loren> goat: not compared to me lol, i started serious in febuary, and then my windows computer died for a month and i just used linux unable to re-install xp, i actually didn't want to swithc back, there was no reason to
[08:41] <loren> supernix: i tried the live cd and yes it is "ok"
[08:41] <loren> supernix: from what i hear it makes you do everything
[08:41] <loren> supernix: which is fine if you know what your doing, but if not you're prolly screwed
[08:41] <supernix> Gentoo has a liveCD ?
[08:42] <loren> like me
[08:42] <loren> supernix: that's the strange thing
[08:42] <goat> loren: i still need my windows for itunes and gaming and newsgroups
[08:42] <loren> supernix: i downloaded it like 20 times and one time it came out a live cd
[08:42] <loren> goat: i know what you mean
[08:42] <supernix> Ok I am rusty as can be on Linux but I have used it in the past just switch back because of lack of interoperability of programs and hardware support was lacking
[08:43] <loren> it's actually quite sad that that was my first impression
[08:43] <loren> but recently i didn't want to go back because it "just worked"
[08:43] <supernix> ok that is blowing my mind that one the 20th time it turned out to be a LiveCD
[08:43] <goat> i cant find a decent newsread for nix that can deal with NZB's or anything
[08:44] <loren> supernix: i know, dunno how actually, but i was expecting it to boot a installer or something and it booted up in linux lol, maby their installer is their live cd? i dunno really
[08:44] <loren> goat: newsgroup?
[08:44] <loren> goat:  what is NBZ
[08:45] <loren> goat: for news sites.../whatever i visit www.osdir.com as they have screenshots of just about everything and erm also have news on nix and lin
[08:45] <goat> loren: haha dont worry its usenet, the "original internet" where people post and download articles
[08:45] <loren> haha nice
[08:45] <loren> they might come back with that with RSS
[08:45] <goat> newsreader is a program for interpreting the binary articles and NZBs make everything much easier
[08:46] <loren> just have a universal RSS application that reads news sites and puts it in the app
[08:46] <goat> yea RSS is different but its so cool
[08:46] <goat> yea
[08:46] <loren> i admit i havn't used it yet >.<
[08:46] <loren> except my blog supports it
[08:46] <goat> i love akregator
[08:46] <loren> :)
[08:46] <goat> its much better than my windows news aggregator
[08:46] <qbit> kind of like Akregator does
[08:46] <loren> finally a subject i can talk about and know stuff, websites lol
[08:47] <goat> lol
[08:47] <goat> you should seriously look into gathering RSS feeds for all your favorite sites
[08:47] <qbit> the main difference is rss is only one way whereas nntp is not
[08:47] <goat> its real easy
[08:47] <loren> :P
[08:47] <loren> yea
[08:47] <loren> i wonder if OSDIR does RSS hmmmhmMMHMmh
[08:47] <qbit> it sure cuts down on the time factor
[08:47] <loren> i bet
[08:47] <loren> download factor as well
[08:48] <loren> it would have been killer in the 56k day and age
[08:48] <goat> lol yea
[08:48] <goat> it does
[08:48] <loren> i wonder man
[08:48] <goat> see that "XML" icon in the top right corner
[08:48] <loren> if they had you download the rss and the template seperate
[08:48] <qbit> I'm still on 56k here at home -lol
[08:48] <loren> and render it in an application
[08:48] <goat> LOL
[08:48] <loren> that would kill anything alive for 56k
[08:48] <loren> there'd be no reason to switch to dsl
[08:48] <loren> and the template file on the first line would say the last date the template was updated
[08:48] <goat> mman
[08:48] <goat> i just upgraded from DSL to cable
[08:48] <qbit> I'm waiting for fiber - I want an oc-3 right to my house
[08:48] <loren> there'd be no reason to include headers and footers of the template
[08:49] <loren> is cable better for you?
[08:49] <loren> LOL qbit
[08:49] <goat> yes its like two times as fast as my old DSL
[08:49] <loren> qbit: move near a school and steal it ;)
[08:49] <qbit> lol
[08:49] <loren> goat: what state?
[08:49] <goat> also, old DSL was through AOL = not real internet
[08:49] <loren> ROFL
[08:49] <loren> AOL = crap
[08:49] <goat> agreed
[08:49] <goat> im in CA
[08:49] <qbit> AOL  -   Ughh!!!
[08:50] <loren> however they are being nice to Linux though so im not so hard on them now
[08:50] <goat> lol how?
[08:50] <goat> they dont support linux
[08:50] <loren> i forgot, i read somewhere that aol did something with either the new netscape, or aim or AOL for linux or something like that
[08:50] <loren> which at least made me respect them to a degree after being crap
[08:51] <goat> ugh, i couldnt use linux on my old internet line without aol browser which is not made for linux blah blah blah computer without internet = nothing these days
[08:51] <loren> 0_o
[08:51] <loren> Wine? ROFL
[08:51] <loren> you could, nah you prolly tried it
[08:51] <loren> Kubuntu has a dial up feature
[08:51] <loren> which makes me wonder actually
[08:52] <stisev> hi all
[08:52] <loren> hey
[08:52] <stisev>  anyone here?
[08:52] <stisev> silly/stupid/and easy question
[08:52] <loren> welcome to #kubuntu, can i take your order?
[08:52] <stisev> I finally got vmware tools installed on vmware 5.0 workstation
[08:52] <qbit> we're all asleep  :)
[08:52] <loren> nice stisev
[08:52] <loren> it's 4am according to my KDE clock ROFL
[08:52] <loren> 11:51
[08:53] <stisev> i want to change the resolution of the screen, but I'm on a laptop
[08:53] <stisev>  someone said "Control + ALT + numpad keys" to change res on desktops
[08:53] <loren> nice lol
[08:53] <stisev>  but how do I do it on a laptop??
[08:53] <loren> doest do it for me
[08:53] <loren> hmmh strange
[08:53] <loren> maby they used a different distro with custom features
[08:53] <stisev> :(
[08:54] <qbit> ctrl + alt + plus or minus numpad key on a regular monitor
[08:54] <qbit> but the xorg.conf has to be set up with all the various resolutions too
[08:55] <qbit> laptops prolly only have one resolution default
[08:55] <loren> was it goat or qbit that was from BSD?
[08:55] <goat> not such a silly/stupid/easy question? haha
[08:55] <qbit> me
[08:55] <goat> not me loren
[08:55] <loren> ah
[08:55] <goat> ughhhhh wnat to update this KDE
[08:55] <loren> i actually hmmh, had a bad impression of BSD from this one dude that wrote a nasty artical about linux, is it pretty good?
[08:56] <qbit> BSD has it's ups and downs
[08:56] <loren> imo i installed Solaris (which was really crap compared to their "cutting edge" thing on the site)
[08:56] <loren> qbit: yeah? what's that
[08:56] <qbit> back in the 4.x days it was really good, then in the early 5.x days it sucked pretty hard
[08:56] <stisev> qbit: that doesn't work
[08:56] <qbit> now it's up to 5.4 and beginning to recover
[08:57] <stisev> qbit: pressing alt control + plus or minus doesnt work :(
[08:57] <qbit> my next expirement is Solaris 10
[08:57] <loren> qbit: ah, i don't really understand why there's really a division of the developers, it doesn't make sense to me
[08:57] <loren> qbit: why not just focus on one OS?
[08:57] <supernix> I never could get an answer about the clock issue
[08:57] <qbit> stisev: yeah it's prolly only setup at one resolution only
[08:57] <loren> supernix: what's that?
[08:57] <stisev> o_O?
[08:58] <stisev> qbit: it asked me before what res to run
[08:58] <qbit> loren: it really is one os with branches
[08:58] <stisev> qbit: I picked the one I wanted 1280x1024
[08:58] <stisev> qbit: but it didnt do it
[08:58] <supernix> when I boot up to Kubuntu it messes up my time and when I boot back into XP I am like many hours into the future and such
[08:58] <qbit> did you read th /var/log/Xorg.0.log file?
[08:58] <stisev> nope
[08:58] <stisev> what's that
[08:59] <qbit> in there you'll see a scan of all the resolutions X attempted
[08:59] <loren> qbit: hmmh, that's true, coz for linux "linux" is the kernel, and bsd, i guess they have their kernel or whatnot
[08:59] <stisev> qbit: k
[08:59] <stisev> qbi: stand by
[08:59] <loren> qbit: i think 0_O
[08:59] <qbit> loren: BSD isn't just a "kernel" - it is a complete operating system
[09:00] <goat> LOL
[09:00] <goat> i think my KDE is updating now
[09:00] <Mestapheles> hi
[09:00] <qbit> what did you do?
[09:00] <goat> this is hilarious
[09:00] <goat> well
[09:00] <loren> qbit: 0_O hmmh, interesting concept, i bet it keeps it clean, but then what's the difference between NetBSD and FreeBSD...etc
[09:00] <goat> i pressed update in kynaptic for like the 9th time and this time it showed all these new packages from the right server and with all the KDE apps and 3.4.1 in the filename
[09:00] <loren> kik'
[09:01] <loren> lol
[09:01] <qbit> netbsd runs on more diverse hardware, driver support gets developed here
[09:01] <supernix> NetBSD is the base for OS X that apple used
[09:01] <goat> i guess it jsut wasnt retrieving form the server the first 8 times i tried throughout the day
[09:01] <goat> haha
[09:01] <loren> goat: you press update, and then you press upgrade
[09:01] <loren> goat: the cable gods don't like you lol
[09:01] <qbit> freebsd is the best workload server and openbsd concentrates on security audits
[09:01] <qbit> but there is a lot of transfer between the three
[09:01] <goat> loren: the www.ubuntu.org gods must have been on coffee break
[09:01] <loren> qbit: but they're the same operating system?
[09:01] <loren> lol
[09:02] <goat> thats where the files are coming from
[09:02] <loren> someday i hope linux gears twards the user as well as the already geared programmers
[09:02] <qbit> loren: they were once the same os years ago before they branched
[09:03] <stisev> qbit: please go here: http://pastebin.com/308770
[09:03] <stisev> that's the vga section of the lo
[09:03] <qbit> and recently a new branch called DragonFlyBSD has forked off of FreeBSD 4.8
[09:03] <loren> qbit: ah, i understand, they got more manpower and the manpower branched out, where as linux is like a freeking redwood tree or something
[09:03] <loren> I actually checked that out
[09:03] <loren> was worth looking at
[09:04] <loren> i'll tell you which BSD i liked was PC-BSD
[09:04] <Mestapheles> OS x uses more htan just nbsd, in fact more based on fbsd
[09:04] <loren> their Application management system looked so freeking awsome, i just loved it
[09:04] <qbit> the branching is more a political difference kind of thing about the direction of developement personality wise
[09:04] <loren> just like linux
[09:05] <loren> where in reality it would be great if everyone could work together, but people think different things are good 
[09:05] <loren> i'll tell you what i really think about linux as being pathetic though
[09:05] <qbit> stisev: i didn't realize it was vmware
[09:05] <loren> #1 just about every linux website is badly made, as well as www.linux.org not living up to it's obligation just by the address
[09:06] <qbit> stisev: you might be limited to whatever the vmwaretools drivers have to offer
[09:06] <Mestapheles> bsd branches off because of personality issues, not politics I would say.  Theo De Rhadt basically got kicked out of nbsd, and as did the founder of mirbsd from obsd.
[09:06] <loren> it's template is crap, i've made 70 templates and emailed them regarding working on their template just like i emailed debian, and never got a reply, and they deserve to give their users a software map of linux above all
[09:06] <qbit> stisev: but once when i played with it i got 1024x768 out of it
[09:06] <loren> stisev: install vmware tools
[09:06] <stisev> loren: I did
[09:07] <loren> stisev: strange
[09:07] <qbit> stisev: your hsync range is too low to support 1024x768 though
[09:07] <stisev> Loren: this is AFTER vmware tools was installed
[09:07] <stisev> ???
[09:07] <stisev> It's a brand new laptop
[09:07] <stisev> lol
[09:07] <stisev> almost top of the line
[09:07] <qbit> check the monitor specs for the correct hsync numbers
[09:07] <loren> sistev: dunno lol, it should work, unless the lappys slow like my lappies
[09:07] <loren> ok maby not
[09:07] <stisev> 1.6Ghz P-M  1680x1050 samsung
[09:08] <loren> OH man, i figured it out lol
[09:08] <qbit> you need to put the horizontal sweep frequencies that the samsung is capable of in the xorg.conf
[09:09] <qbit> 33khz is only going to give you vga
[09:09] <loren> forever i tried to figure out why Fedora Core has so many users when their distribution is so awful, their distro works on low end computers where running kubuntu on 400mhz would literally kill it to death, most people dont try linux on a "good" computer and mis-evaluate it based on its awful preformance on hardware made out of crap
[09:09] <qbit> lol
[09:10] <loren> man that was what was really making me wonder lol
[09:10] <qbit> kind of like running Oracle in 256MB RAM
[09:10] <loren> LOL
[09:10] <loren> yeah
[09:10] <supernix> How do you know where to download Gentoo ?
[09:10] <loren> Oracle actually has some pretty cool commercials
[09:10] <qbit> fastest way to watch a hard drive die I've ever seen
[09:10] <stisev> back
[09:10] <stisev> :(
[09:10] <loren> supernix: search google for "Gentoo Torrent"
[09:10] <loren> supernix: or on the gentoo site "Get Gentoo"
[09:11] <loren> qbit :P
[09:11] <qbit> oops
[09:11] <supernix> k
[09:11] <loren> anyone in here game programmers?
[09:11] <qbit> been a long time since I saw a kline
[09:12] <buz> mhh maybe that's his quit message?
[09:12] <loren> real? kickass, what langauges/liberaries do you use
[09:12] <buz> people do have those "funny messages" ;)
[09:12] <qbit> could be - but what a truly weird quit message
[09:13] <buz> "Konversation terminated" is somewhat interesting, too ;)
[09:13] <qbit> yeah - now that you mention it it has to be a quit 'cause a kline is something else entirely
[09:14] <loren> hm
[09:14] <loren> how do you seperate konqueror's browser functions from it's file manager settings
[09:15] <loren> i mean browser settings*
[09:15] <qbit> kfmclient openProfile filemanagment
[09:16] <qbit> or openProfile webbrowser
[09:16] <qbit> but actually I just use one to do both
[09:16] <loren> ah
[09:16] <qbit> it gets the kio_part plugin based on the mime type
[09:17] <loren> ah
[09:17] <loren> very nice
[09:17] <qbit> so you can control it with the file associations configs
[09:17] <loren> hmhm
[09:18] <loren> anyone think IE7 will have full CSS2 support?
[09:18] <loren> and actually "Render Correctly"
[09:18] <qbit> I've been wondering what the deal is with vector graphics
[09:19] <loren> what do you mean
[09:19] <qbit> I've been playing with inkscape and I can display an svg in a browser but it won't render when in a web page
[09:19] <qbit> svg = scalable vector graphics
[09:19] <loren> ah
[09:19] <loren> yeah] 
[09:19] <loren> i looked into those actually
[09:19] <qbit> a better replacement to raster like gif, jpeg,png, etc
[09:19] <loren> svg is very nice with icons (especially on KDE's menu)
[09:20] <loren> yep
[09:20] <loren> i dont know actually, web browsers probably arn't built for them yet as they're not completly into mainstream yet? that'd be my guess
[09:21] <qbit> instead of having multiple versions of a page for different resolutions svg support would do away with that
[09:21] <loren> yea
[09:21] <loren> most sites dont use multiple versions
[09:22] <loren> in order to counter that we use 100% tables with repeating background images for the titlebar
[09:22] <qbit> actually if you write your web pages to the xhtml-transitional DTD it will look almost the same in any browser
[09:22] <loren> really? hmmh, insteresting
[09:22] <qbit> even IE
[09:22] <loren> i was actually tempted to get into XHTML a couple days ago
[09:22] <loren> it seemed so powerful compared to html
[09:22] <loren> currently though i guess php works for me lol
[09:22] <qbit> xhtml-transitional also turns on a hidden compatibility mode in any Gecko based browser
[09:23] <loren> 0_o
[09:23] <loren> i get it's convienient lol
[09:23] <qbit> no more tables - CSS rules!  :-)
[09:23] <loren> pff, i hate css
[09:23] <goat> hey how do i make firefox my default browser so that it opens with all links instead of konqueror?
[09:23] <loren> only becuase off the in-operability
[09:23] <loren> and the fact that they dont use structures
[09:24] <loren> which makes the code hard to read in my oppinion
[09:24] <qbit> in control center under kde components chooser there is a "default web browser" selection
[09:24] <loren> goat: i think it has to do with file types or mmi settings
[09:24] <loren> qbit: that's right, now i remember lol
[09:24] <loren> never take advice from a windows-man lol
[09:25] <qbit> I am a Windows MCSE   - :-)  LOL
[09:25] <loren> lol
[09:25] <loren> i would be a CCNA but i quit because it was garbage anyways
[09:25] <loren> i went through like 75% and got pissed at the teacher
[09:25] <qbit> it pays the bills but I don't want to see Windows when I come home at the end of the day
[09:25] <loren> true
[09:25] <loren> ROFL
[09:25] <loren> no wonder you use linux
[09:26] <loren> my bro is a computer tech/repair guy and he hates the thing
[09:26] <qbit> My next cert should be the CCNE but I'm real lazy
[09:26] <loren> sometimes you see him yelling at the thing lol
[09:26] <loren> LOL
[09:26] <loren> nice
[09:26] <loren> or you could give your bosses the finger and tell them you already know more than that lol
[09:26] <qbit> first rule of maintenance - if it works don't fix it
[09:27] <loren> instead of learn sometime so useless as IEEE was one of the companies that mostly influenced IP
[09:27] <loren> qbit: i couldn't agree more
[09:27] <qbit> second rule - hit it with larger and larger hammers until you need a new one
[09:27] <buz> zeroth rule: format c: helps with windows
[09:28] <qbit> lol
[09:34] <qbit> I do have a question though: in BSD the ifconfig can manually specify settings like media type and media options in case of an incorrect autonegotiation
[09:35] <qbit> how can I force a NIC to full-duplex in Linux?
[09:36] <Mestapheles> hey guys, I'm getting a failure with "Configure a multiseat system" twice on two different burned cds, whose md5s check out.  Might this be a ubuntu specific issue?  If so does kubuntu installer CD do anything different that would prove beneficial?
[09:50] <goat> are u trying to hook up dual monitor?
[09:55] <bonggnu> hi i have troubles with cdrecord in ubuntu hoary , i can toast cdr disc
[10:05] <Mestapheles> goat: no. I just wrote to daniels and he's aware of the problem.  Says linux multiseat-udeb/disable_multiseat=true might fix it.  I was going to try another CD, but I'm downloading the kubuntu-ppc cd to see how it fairs.
[10:07] <Mestapheles> I knoow it under mines kubuntu, but I waanted to do a minimal install like I used to on debian.  I guess I' find out if typing "server" at the first prompt will allow this.
[10:26] <_cory> does anybody know how to configure ndiswrapper to work on a 64bit OS?
[10:29] <uniq> _cory: won't work. the drivers are 32bit, can't include that in a 64bit os. afaik.
[10:29] <uniq> mestapheles: server install does what you want.  :)
[10:30] <_cory> :( so no wifi in 64?
[10:30] <uniq> what card? 
[10:30] <_cory> broadcom bcm4306
[10:30] <_cory> very common
[10:30] <uniq> then, no.
[10:30] <_cory> why not?
[10:30] <Mestapheles> uniq: thanks
[10:31] <Mestapheles> puting kubuntu in, rebooting
[10:31] <uniq> cory: i have the same card, in my ibook,  but only ndiswrapper will work.
[10:31] <uniq> and, ndiswrapper does not work on ppc or amd64.a
[10:31] <uniq> -a
[10:32] <_cory> wow that sucks, what's the reasoning for it not working on amd64?
[10:32] <uniq> broadcom beeing stupid.
[10:33] <_cory> why can i not install ndiswrapper on my amd64 pc?
[10:33] <uniq> as for ndiswrapper on amd64, you can't take a 32bit driver and put it in to a 64bit kernel.
[10:34] <_cory> right
[10:34] <uniq> the kernel will need a 32bit compatible mode, or something, to make it work.
[10:34] <uniq> in practice it's not possible now.
[10:35] <_cory> wow
[10:36] <_cory> sooo what exactly are the 64 bit users doing?  Just installing the 32 bit OS?
[10:36] <uniq> probably.. but i just found something promising.
[10:36] <uniq> http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/01/msg00402.html
[10:37] <_cory> awesome, is that avaiable to download now?
[10:38] <uniq> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/
[10:39] <Poromies> wow, 64bit supports is developing mad fast O.o
[10:39] <Poromies> new support every week <3 o/
[10:39] <uniq> of course after i sold my amd64.
[10:39] <uniq> :)
[10:39] <Poromies> heh
[10:40] <uniq> _cory: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/FAQ#Can_I_use_ndiswrapper_in_64-bit_mode_for_AMD64.3F
[10:40] <Poromies> well, i think the "64bit boom" is just starting, as Intel has its 64bit stuff out and amd has released 64bit semprons and all
[10:42] <Poromies> and because of xp64, device manufacturers now have to do 64bit drivers for the masses
[10:42] <Poromies> \o/
[10:42] <_cory> thx uniq:  one of my problems is the deb file for download at ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net is using the i386 arch. and i need amd64
[10:42] <_cory> thats what the installer is telling me
[10:46] <Mestapheles> kubuntu-ppc has the same multiseat problem as ubuntu-ppc
[10:46] <uniq> multiseat problems? 
[10:47] <goat> uniq: sup?
[10:47] <Mestapheles> yes, the screen goes red and spits out info on falure to install.
[10:47] <uniq> _cory: get the source and run 'make deb' from the source directory.
[10:47] <uniq> hi goat.
[10:48] <uniq> mestapheles: oh.. never encountered.
[10:48] <uniq> sounds bad.
[10:48] <goat> uniq: ive been making some progress today :)got KDE 3.4.1, got wmv's workin on kaffeine... im slowly settling in
[10:48] <Mestapheles> "Configure multiseat system" is part of hte error message
[10:48] <uniq> goat: great :)
[10:48] <goat> does multiseat mean double monitor?
[10:49] <Mestapheles> it may be model specific as I don't see anything at the ubuntu-ppc forums
[10:49] <Mestapheles> I'm running a 400 mhz iMac DV
[10:50] <Mestapheles> I suppose I could reinstall warty and upgrade
[10:51] <uniq> mestapheles: is it like this https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11912 ?
[10:52] <Mestapheles> yes
[10:52] <goat> what AIm client do you guys prefer?
[10:53] <Mestapheles> so it doesn't look ppc specific
[10:53] <goat> if you use it...
[10:53] <uniq> mestapheles: did you do a integrity check? 
[10:53] <uniq> goat: i use kopete for MSN and ICQ.. i don't use AIM.
[10:54] <goat> im using kopete right now but im wondering if i should switch to gaim...
[10:55] <uniq> why would you do that? 
[10:55] <goat> ion
[10:55] <goat> o
[10:55] <goat> my kopete seems rather buddy
[10:55] <Mestapheles> no, but this is the third CD
[10:55] <uniq> oh.. ok.
[10:55] <Mestapheles> and all the md5s checked out
[10:55] <goat> *buggy
[10:56] <Mestapheles> I'll post an add on to bugzilla, because it isn't a one time incident
[10:56] <goat> all my screen names jsut doubled :/ one for upper case one for lower for each buddy
[11:03] <Mestapheles> night
[11:05] <lippel> what is the [k] ubuntu way to set up iptables? i have iptables installed, but no /et/init.d/iptables script exists
[11:06] <uniq> i suggest using guarddog and/or guidedog
[11:07] <lancellor> hello
[11:07] <uniq> hi.
[11:08] <lippel> uniq: actually i have iptables set up, i just want to save it and have it restored on restart
[11:08] <lancellor> do you know how to restore my sistem??
[11:08] <DavidLeeRoth> Hey guys
[11:08] <goat> hey how do i find my MAC address for wirelesS?
[11:08] <uniq> lippel: then you can use iptables-save and iptables-restore in a simple script.
[11:08] <uniq> goat: 'ifconfig' tells you.
[11:09] <lancellor> i installed a new video card and now i can't use kubuntu
[11:09] <uniq> lancellor: depends on what's wrong
[11:09] <DavidLeeRoth> whats goin on with you all?
[11:09] <DavidLeeRoth> thats absolutely ridiculous
[11:09] <DavidLeeRoth> a modern OS should work correctly goddammit
[11:09] <DavidLeeRoth> i love linux more than anything
[11:10] <DavidLeeRoth> but win32 never (EVER) has a Hardware detect prob
[11:10] <lancellor> and i reinstalled on other hard drive and i can not do anything
[11:10] <DavidLeeRoth> plug and play is far superior to hotplug
[11:10] <DavidLeeRoth> unfortunately
[11:11] <lancellor> i tried to install synaptic and this is what i get
[11:11] <DavidLeeRoth> linux doesnt even work properly on its own
[11:11] <DavidLeeRoth> i use it in VMware
[11:11] <lancellor> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libg/libgnomecanvas/libgnomecanvas2-0_2.10.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[11:11] <lancellor> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[11:11] <DavidLeeRoth> apt-get update
[11:11] <DavidLeeRoth> apt-get upgrade
[11:11] <lancellor> i did it
[11:11] <DavidLeeRoth> then apt-get moo
[11:11] <DavidLeeRoth> :)
[11:11] <lancellor> what moo mean
[11:11] <goat> moo?
[11:12] <DavidLeeRoth> try it
[11:12] <uniq> lancellor: don't use the us.archive.ubuntu.com mirror. change it to archive.ubuntu.com
[11:12] <goat> lol
[11:12] <lippel> uniq: hmm, i wonder why ubuntu doesn't provide the init script from debian
[11:12] <DavidLeeRoth> youve never seen that?
[11:12] <DavidLeeRoth> "are you experienced?" -Jimi Hendrix
[11:12] <goat> i had to retry my upgrades today 9 times before it finally found kde 3.4.1
[11:12] <goat> lol
[11:12] <lancellor> but i don,t have text editor
[11:12] <uniq> lippel: don't know. maybe enought init scripts already.
[11:12] <lancellor> kate is not working
[11:12] <goat> that is my beginning experiences with nix
[11:12] <DavidLeeRoth> im not using x right now
[11:13] <uniq> lancellor: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:13] <DavidLeeRoth> im just using irssi in a terminal window
[11:13] <lancellor> ok let me try
[11:13] <DavidLeeRoth> do you like my voice?
[11:14] <goat> do peeps in this channel have voices and ops?
[11:14] <goat> all mine say everyone is a regular user or away...
[11:15] <uniq> that is correct.
[11:16] <DavidLeeRoth> i have a really good voice
[11:16] <DavidLeeRoth> you might know me from Van Halen
[11:17] <goat> haha
[11:17] <goat> stuff you
[11:17] <DavidLeeRoth> im serious
[11:17] <DavidLeeRoth> tobacco road, yankee rose, the patented scream (Yeahhhhaahwhahahhaha!)
[11:17] <goat> horay for IRC
[11:17] <goat> haha
[11:17] <lancellor> how do i save it
[11:18] <DavidLeeRoth> o yeah #kubuntu all the way
[11:18] <goat> a little birdie jsut flew in my window and told me the members of van halen don't know what IRC is
[11:18] <DocTomoe> Where do I have too look for errors if KDE does not produce any sound output, but gnome does?
[11:18] <uniq> lancellor: ctrl+x - answer yes.
[11:18] <DavidLeeRoth> the little birdie said van hagar
[11:19] <malte> np Van Halen - Jump
[11:19] <nikkia> oi, DLR, go back to singing lousy 'easy listening' covers and leave VH alone! :P
[11:20] <DavidLeeRoth> o i love that song (i did write it)
[11:20] <DavidLeeRoth> fuck dat B-otch
[11:21] <nikkia> DLR, sorry, can't picture DLR these days without thinking of 'california girls'
[11:21] <DavidLeeRoth> I made that song just for the money
[11:21] <uniq> hi nikkia.
[11:21] <nikkia> oh, i'm sure, shame about the respect lost :P
[11:21] <nikkia> hi uniq
[11:21] <DavidLeeRoth> i recommend that you listen to some of my harder albums
[11:21] <DavidLeeRoth> like skyscraper
[11:21] <DavidLeeRoth> or some of my singles
[11:22] <DavidLeeRoth> like A Little Aint enough
[11:22] <nikkia> DLR, i have, thanks...
[11:22] <DavidLeeRoth> or tobacco road, or yankee rose
[11:22] <uniq> davidleeroth: this is #kubuntu, sourds like #randommusicchat fits your needs better.
[11:22] <DavidLeeRoth> nope
[11:22] <uniq> *sounds
[11:23] <DavidLeeRoth> david lee roth digs linux nowadays
[11:23] <lancellor> update source list but same problem
[11:23] <DavidLeeRoth> DLR is just trying to spice up this chat
[11:23] <uniq> lancellor: did you update the list of packages? 'sudo apt-get update' 
[11:23] <DavidLeeRoth> its always dead
[11:23] <DavidLeeRoth> then apt-get upgrade
[11:23] <DavidLeeRoth> the two go hand in hand
[11:24] <qbit> but have you seen Junior's grades?
[11:24] <lancellor> yes sir
[11:24] <DavidLeeRoth> the cradle will rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yowza yowza yoza mother fuckerrrrrrrrrrrrr
[11:24] <qbit> ~and the cradle rocks on!
[11:24] <qbit> hehhehe
[11:25] <lancellor> everithing look good untill i tried to install synaptic or anything else
[11:25] <uniq> davidleeroth: back on topic please.
[11:25] <DavidLeeRoth> apt-get remove synaptic
[11:25] <lancellor> let me try
[11:25] <DavidLeeRoth> then apt-get remove gnome_bullshit
[11:25] <DavidLeeRoth> use kynaptic if you need a package manager
[11:26] <lancellor> not installed so no removed...
[11:26] <DavidLeeRoth> Uniq, aka senor buzzkill, not only do i have a great voice, but i am helpful also
[11:26] <DavidLeeRoth> isnt synaptic a gnome package?
[11:26] <uniq> lancellor: did 'apt-get update' work without errors? 
[11:26] <lancellor> yes but let me check again
[11:26] <DavidLeeRoth> have you guys heard of porn-get
[11:27] <DavidLeeRoth> from the "Lesbian" crew
[11:27] <uniq> davidleeroth: you make alot of unnecessary noise.
[11:27] <DavidLeeRoth> ive heard of it
[11:27] <DavidLeeRoth> and its for real
[11:27] <DavidLeeRoth> i just cant find it
[11:28] <uniq> lancellor: if apt-get update worked, you can try to 'apt-get install synaptic' again.
[11:28] <lancellor> no errors
[11:29] <lancellor> i did it twicw but did not work
[11:29] <uniq> what is the error? 
[11:29] <DavidLeeRoth> do i got voice?
[11:29] <lancellor> it is up there
[11:29] <fromoze> Hi, I'm  having problem with the knemo icons on the systray.. I didn't have them and I get a conflit wirh kdenetwork installing knemo. Any suggestion? Package bug? Version are:knetworkconf   0.6.1-3ubuntu4 andknemo_0.3.1-2ubuntu1 on amd64 branch.  
[11:30] <lancellor> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libg/libgnomecanvas/libgnomecanvas2-0_2.10.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb MD5Sum mismatch
[11:30] <DavidLeeRoth> i have a problem concerning the amd64
[11:30] <uniq> fromoze: do you have hoary-security and hoary-updates enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? there is a update knetworkconf in hoary-updates to fix those conflicts.
[11:31] <uniq> lancellor: did you change all 'us.archive.ubuntu.com' to 'archive.ubuntu.com' in /etc/apt/sources.list ? 
[11:31] <Hagar_Killer> i have a prob converning the amd64
[11:31] <lancellor> i used the list from the ubuntu guide
[11:31] <uniq> hagar_killer: ok, ask then.
[11:32] <lancellor> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[11:32] <Hagar_Killer> i made an ubuntu cd for the amd64 arch, and when i load the cd, my pc makes a long beep and says my cpu doesnt support long mode
[11:32] <lancellor> let me check for that  <uniq>
[11:32] <Hagar_Killer> but i have an amd64 athlon 3000+
[11:32] <qbit> while on the subject of packaging probs, i used kpackage to manually install kvirc 3.2.0 because kynaptic didn't list it and now kynaptic wants to remove it in order to install anything new
[11:32] <Hagar_Killer> so i am stuck using the 32 bit version
[11:32] <qbit> is there a manual fix to make this go away?
[11:33] <nikkia> gahahhhhhhhhh!!
[11:33] <fromoze> uniq: I think yes, 
[11:33] <Hagar_Killer> does anyone know what the fuck is wrone?
[11:33] <uniq> qbit: it's probably because it's a debian package, not bade for ubuntu.
[11:33] <uniq> hagar_killer: don'
[11:33] <qbit> yes - debian sarge2
[11:33] <qbit> ok that makes sense
[11:33] <uniq> hagar_killer: don't swear please.
[11:33] <fromoze> uniq: may be not for universe and multiverse, I'll see :)
[11:34] <nikkia> my SO went to london.... and it looks like there's been a terrorist attack on the tube system, and mobile phone is not answering
[11:34] <uniq> fromoze: knetworkconf is in main so universe isn't needed.
[11:34] <buz> that sucks
[11:34] <buz> friend of mine is somewhere in the greater london area
[11:34] <lancellor> do i have to change to 'archive.ubuntu.com in all of them??
[11:34] <buz> but so far it's not reall confirmed to be an attack is it
[11:34] <lancellor> achive??
[11:35] <Hagar_Killer> does someone know what the cpu problem means
[11:35] <nikkia> buz, no, but they're saying 'there was at least one explosive device'
[11:35] <uniq> nikkia: what happened to london? (i'm on a too slow connection to read news atm)
[11:35] <buz> the definition of explosive device is the point
[11:35] <uniq> lancellor: yes.
[11:35] <nikkia> buz, but as you said, its not confirmed
[11:35] <nikkia> uniq, explosions in the tube
[11:35] <nikkia> uniq, several, by the sounds of it
[11:35] <Hagar_Killer> we need a new channel called #peoplewhowanttotalkaboutlondonmorethanlinux
[11:35] <uniq> nikkia: oh.. bad :/
[11:35] <nikkia> buz, yeah, could be a bad mobile phone battery for all we know
[11:35] <buz> yeah
[11:35] <buz> or a bottle of booze
[11:36] <nikkia> buz, my SO should be alright....
[11:36] <nikkia> didn't leave til about 9, and apparently the explosions happened at 8:50
[11:36] <buz> chances are exceedingly slim that she got hurt
[11:36] <buz> or he
[11:36] <buz> (as my SO is always a girl ;-)
[11:37] <Hagar_Killer> what does SO stand for?
[11:37] <Hagar_Killer> im a retard
[11:38] <nikkia> looks like the cells are b0rked in london
[11:38] <nikkia> i'm not even getting an attempted ring now
[11:38] <lancellor> i'm running apt-get update now and i fixed what you told me
[11:39] <uniq> nikkia: probably overloaded. did you try sms? 
[11:39] <uniq> lancellor: great, then i think it'll work.
[11:39] <Hagar_Killer> did you apt-get upgrade
[11:39] <lancellor> update work no problems
[11:39] <Hagar_Killer> (after update)?
[11:40] <lancellor> no problems up and working
[11:40] <Hagar_Killer> k
[11:40] <lancellor> thanks
[11:40] <Hagar_Killer> np
[11:40] <nikkia> uniq, trying, turned receipt notification on too
 thanks for your help and patience
[11:41] <uniq> lancellor: no problem :)
[11:42] <Hagar_Killer> does davidleeroth have voice?
[11:42] <Hagar_Killer> cuz i wanna change back
[11:42] <lancellor> does anybody plays xbox on line??
[11:42] <Hagar_Killer> i do
[11:42] <Hagar_Killer> xbox live
[11:42] <lancellor> no 
[11:42] <lancellor> with xlink kaid
[11:42] <lancellor> is free
[11:43] <Hagar_Killer> i played Halo Online (Halo 1) via a router and some win32 soft
[11:43] <Hagar_Killer> its not as kool though
[11:43] <Hagar_Killer> and xbox live is so damn cheap
[11:43] <nikkia> (*&(!!
[11:43] <Hagar_Killer> it is dude
[11:43] <nikkia> looks like they're saying it was bombs, and so far the list is about 10 stations
[11:44] <lancellor> it is not about that personally i don't care about xbox live features i just want to play online
[11:45] <DavidLeeRoth> do I have voice in here?
[11:45] <lancellor> plus i don't want to give more money to Gates
[11:46] <nikkia> woohoo, finally, call connected
[11:46] <qbit> uniq: in /var/backups/dpkg.status.0 the kvirc packages are marked: Status: purge ok not-installed
[11:47] <nikkia> never got to liverpool street, apparently, they turned the train around about 2 miles out
[11:47] <qbit> uniq: i think when I figure out what to put here I can work around my problem
[11:47] <lancellor> if anybody uses xlink kaid this is my name 
[11:47] <lancellor> lancellor
[11:48] <DavidLeeRoth> never would have guessed
[11:48] <Hagar_Killer> anyone have linux on xbox?
[11:49] <lancellor> i have a live cd that runs xebian
[11:49] <uniq> qbit: you probably want to take a look at /var/lib/dpkg/status - i strongly recommend not to change anything there though.
[11:49] <Hagar_Killer> my xbox kernel is too new to do the xbox linux thing
[11:49] <Hagar_Killer> ive tried before
[11:49] <Hagar_Killer> ive researched it
[11:50] <lancellor> my xbox is 1.6 version
[11:51] <lancellor> you guys try xlink kaid is fun
[11:52] <Hagar_Killer> i have the real deal (xbox live)
[11:53] <lancellor> but you can't  use a modified xbox
[11:55] <lancellor> and all the good stuff that comes with a modified xbox like linux and xbmc and other stuff
[11:56] <fromoze> uniq: Reading about the bug, I see that "Breezy has the fix, and Kubuntu.org has updates for Hoary users" May there're some special kubuntu repositories?  Or, may be  the fix is only for i386. I'll try to use breezy package.
[11:56] <uniq> ?? sources.list
[11:56] <kinfo> [sources.list]  example /etc/apt/sources.list with all official repositories plus KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4 from kubuntu.org can be found at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/303802
[11:56] <Hagar_Killer> is hoary pronounced whore-y?
[11:56] <Hagar_Killer> ive always wondered
[11:57] <qbit> uniq: thanks
[11:58] <fromoze> my sources.list are diferent only because an 'es' before 'archives' , but I think it must be something about locales
[11:58] <uniq> fromoze: do you have the kubuntu.org repositories? 
[11:58] <fromoze> I don'n know, Isn't the official ubuntu ones?
[11:59] <fromoze> I've kde341 and koffice if you mean that
[11:59] <uniq> fromoze: that's what i mean.
[11:59] <uniq> hagar_killer: good night.
[12:01] <lancellor> good night you all
[12:01] <fromoze> good morning for me XD
[12:01] <qbit> yup - same here - will be time to g to work soon  :(
[12:02] <uniq> fromoze: you need 'deb http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted' in your sources.list file.
[12:03] <uniq> line 5 in the example sources.list
[12:03] <fromoze> uniq: I got it :/ but for amd64
[12:05] <uniq> fromoze: knetworkconf should be buildt for all architectures.
[12:06] <fromoze> uniq: Which version have you installed? 
[12:06] <uniq> i'm on breezy.. Version: 0.6.1-3ubuntu6
[12:07] <uniq> you should get 0.6.1-3ubuntu4 from hoary-updates
[12:07] <fromoze> knetworkconf_0.6.1-3ubuntu4_amd64.deb
[12:07] <fromoze> that's the one doesn't want to get installed...
[12:08] <uniq> correct.
[12:09] <brouken> how to make quake 3 run, i have an ATI graphics card and managed to get glxgears and fgl_glxgears to run. but after i try to run quake 3 those wont work after. quake 3 exits with some error and sometimes im back at the login screen.
[12:10] <uniq> fromoze: try to get ubuntu5 from here http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/knetworkconf/
[12:10] <fromoze> brouken: take a look on the xorg logs
[12:11] <fromoze> brouken: /var/log/Xorg.0.log 
[12:11] <brouken> ah, thanks. sorry im new :)
[12:12] <fromoze> uniq: I get a lot of dependecies errors, is the breezy package? 
[12:12] <fromoze> brouken: You must find there the error, because nobody can divine the problem you can get :)
[12:13] <uniq> probably.. hang on i'll find a hoary package for you. i thought ubuntu5 was uploaded to hoary-updates, but looks like it's not.
[12:13] <fromoze> don't worry too much
[12:14] <fromoze> The main thing was to now if it was a bug or something like that, personally isn't a very important problem for me ;)
[12:14] <fromoze> sory 'now' --> 'know'
[12:14] <uniq> it was fixed, i fixed it. i'm sure it was uploaded too.. but something must have gone wrong somewhere.
[12:17] <qbit> brouken: I don't have experience with ATI cards but investigate two things: look for openGL crashes and there is a thing called DRI that you might need for 3d acceleration
[12:17] <qbit> brouken: I just don't know much about DRI 'cause all my stuff is NVidia
[12:19] <uniq> fromoze: thanks for reporting it anyway. i'll investigate.
[12:19] <brouken> yeah xorg log says DRI failed
[12:19] <fromoze> uniq: are you the maintainer? O_o
[12:20] <fromoze> wich version of Q3? 
[12:20] <uniq> fromoze: no, but i'm trying to help out when needed.
[12:21] <fromoze> if you don't use the 1.32b version you need to write some command to say where is there driver
[12:21] <fromoze> version 1.x uses dri and for new cards you must point it to opengl This was my problem onces I've installed quake
[12:22] <fromoze> uniq: Ok, nice ;) 
[12:22] <OculusAquilae> hi
[12:24] <OculusAquilae> Is kynaptic developed for kubuntu?
[12:33] <berkes> hey there
[12:34] <berkes> just wondering if there is an application for kubuntu that warns me for updates. 
[12:35] <OculusAquilae> would be nice
[12:36] <OculusAquilae> and doesn't seem so hard to code
[12:36] <berkes> there is one for gnome a tray applet. 
[12:36] <uniq> not available for hoary.
[12:36] <uniq> will be in breezy hopefully.
[12:36] <OculusAquilae> well
[12:36] <berkes> but I do not like gnome applets im my kde tray, they always seem to break somehow.
[12:37] <berkes> ubuntu 4.05 comes with a tray applet, uniq
[12:37] <uniq> 5.04 yes, i know.
[12:37] <uniq> but not kubuntu 5.04
[12:38] <berkes> aah yes. 
[12:38] <berkes> but you are saying tehre will be one in breezy, uniq. 
[12:38] <OculusAquilae> 5.10 isn't so far away :-)
[12:38] <berkes> ?
[12:38] <uniq> berkes: it's one of the goals for breezy.
[12:38] <berkes> cool. 
[12:39] <berkes> OculusAquilae: how far is "so far" ? 
[12:39] <OculusAquilae> is kynaptic specially coded for kubuntu?
[12:39] <uniq> 2005.10 - 5.10 :)
[12:39] <uniq> oculusaquilae: no
[12:39] <OculusAquilae> 3 months 
[12:40] <berkes> aah that is not so far, indeed.... compared to debian releases anyway ;)
[12:40] <OculusAquilae> uniq: but I don't find any project page
[12:41] <OculusAquilae> is this applet in breezy already?
[12:43] <dargo> hi
[12:43] <OculusAquilae> hi dargo
[12:44] <dargo> I have a problem somebody helps me?
[12:44] <OculusAquilae> ask!
[12:45] <OculusAquilae> we can't know if we can help you
[12:45] <dargo> jejeje
[12:47] <dargo> My connection (with eth0) doesn't start auto when initiating the system
[12:49] <OculusAquilae> try to start kcontol as root ( ALT+F2 ) "kcontrol"
[12:49] <dargo> I must take it with ifconfig whenever beginning?
[12:50] <dargo> yes that already I have tried it
[12:50] <OculusAquilae> and at Internet & Network -> Network-Settings you can configure that it starts automatically
[12:50] <OculusAquilae> hm
[12:51] <OculusAquilae> have you tried to install initng? I have a problem after that too?
[12:51] <dargo> yes 
[12:52] <dargo> how?
[12:52] <OculusAquilae> you should do it, after that i had the problem too, but it is possible that it isnt initng
[12:52] <OculusAquilae> shouldnt
[12:53] <dargo> ok thanks
[01:05] <Fraeon> So, any linux gurus capable of answering why homepna had to be enabled manually after the kernel version 2.6.9?
[01:05] <Fraeon> Or was it 2.6.7
[01:05] <Fraeon> Anyhow, an odd number, I'm sure.
[01:10] <Fraeon> I guess nobody can explain it.
[03:14] <_ubuntu> Hiya
[03:15] <supernix> :D
[03:15] <supernix> Hiay
[03:15] <supernix> Hiya
[03:15] <uniq> hi.
[03:16] <supernix> Well I tried Gentoo last night let me tell you that was a waste of a CD
[03:17] <supernix> I tried everything I could to get the KDE desktop to run but typing kde and nothing
[03:18] <uniq> supernix: and now you are using kubuntu? 
[03:18] <supernix> Ah yeah
[03:19] <supernix> after all the stuff that I tried Kubuntu was the best
[03:19] <supernix> It is actually the only distro that will allow my ATI card to run at 1024 x 2048
[03:19] <supernix> And also the only one that detected my printer 
[03:20] <uniq> oh.. :)
[03:20] <apow_> +_+
[03:23] <supernix> I just got finished setting up the printer again and this is something I could not do on Knoppix or Ubuntu and certainly not on Gentoo
[03:29] <supernix> Have they changed enough about Linux in the last 2 or more years to warrant buying a new manual ?
[03:30] <uniq> yes, i think that might be a good idea.
[03:30] <supernix> any suggestions on what to buy ?
[03:30] <uniq> alot is changed. atleast if you're doing anything close to advanced.
[03:30] <uniq> depends on what you want.
[03:30] <supernix> Kubuntu related would be best
[03:31] <uniq> the best kubuntu material is at http://lnix.net/~froud/ - not in paper form yet.
[03:32] <uniq> and as explained on the page, it's still under development.
[03:32] <supernix> You have been very helpful thanks
[03:33] <supernix> I am curious if you know of a program in KDE that I can use to mount my hard drive it is a XP NTFS 
[03:33] <uniq> if you find something wrong, or have suggestions to the documentation, please send a mail to ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com and explain, would be very helpful for the document writers. thanks in advance :)
[03:33] <uniq> NTFS.. hang on.
[03:35] <uniq> supernix: you should take a look at http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[03:37] <uniq> supernix: there is also a 'howto' here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-10175.html
[03:38] <supernix> Thanks that is great 
[03:49] <Chameleon22> america - attacked, brtain as well, fuck we are next :(
[03:57] <MrPoke> Is us.archive.ubuntu.com behind on packages? 
[03:57] <MrPoke> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com.... MD5Sum mismatch :-(
[04:00] <godsmoke> MrPoke: use archive
[04:01] <MrPoke> godsmoke: what archive?
[04:01] <godsmoke> no
[04:02] <godsmoke> "archive" rather than "us.archive"
[04:02] <MrPoke> ahh 
[04:12] <_blaz> can anyone help me with vmware?
[04:13] <_blaz> i have a question
[04:23] <supernix> Hi guys just curious how I can update the OpenOffice program ?
[04:24] <gdh> supernix: update from what to what?
[04:24] <supernix> I just downloaded the 5.04 version of Kubuntu so I am not sure why it does not at least use 1.14 of OpenOffice
[04:24] <supernix> from OpenOffice 1.13 to 2.0 would be best
[04:24] <gdh> there is a 1.99 beta in K 5.04 if that's any use?
[04:25] <gdh> if not, you'll have to wait for teh next Kubuntu release in October
[04:25] <supernix> Actually I think they still call that one 2.0
[04:25] <supernix> I downloaded the latest beta and it was 1.19 but they called it 2.0 for some reason
[04:26] <supernix> So how do I update to 1.99 ?
[04:26] <gdh> apt-cache search openoffice.org2
[04:26] <supernix> It wont cause any problems will it as I am running the LiveCD 
[04:26] <gdh> pick and choose :)
[04:26] <gdh> ah, no you can't upgrade then...
[04:26] <supernix> OH GOD WHY ME
[04:27] <gdh> since it was awkward enough trying to squeeze one giant bloated office suite onto a CD-ROM
[04:27] <gdh> two would be impossible
[04:27] <uniq> you can upgrade.
[04:27] <uniq> from the internet.
[04:27] <supernix> I am so close to permanently going Kubuntu and doing an install
[04:27] <gdh> uniq: You can? on the LiveCD?
[04:27] <uniq> it'll dissapear once you reboot though.
[04:27] <uniq> gdh: yes, i compiled all the amd64 debs on kubuntu.org from a livecd :)
[04:27] <gdh> supernix: once you install to HD, you can use OOo2 permenantely
[04:28] <gdh> uniq: magic you :)
[04:28] <uniq> supernix: if you like kubuntu i suggest you do a permanent install, it's much better.
[04:28] <gdh> anyone had any truck with 'ffserver' ?
[04:28] <supernix> Just one last few things I need to test
[04:28] <uniq> gdh: no magic, just very slow :)
[04:28] <supernix> One I have to test my scanner and two my digital camera
[04:28] <gdh> uniq: There's no need to put yourself down - I'm sure you're still charming ;)
[04:28] <EECore> hey
[04:32] <supernix> How can I upgrade from the net Uniq ?
[04:35] <uniq> supernix: enable universe by editing /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the lines containing 'universe' (alt+f2 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list') when that is done; start kynaptic, ctrl+f, search for openoffice.org2 and install the packages you want.
[04:35] <supernix> ah ty
[04:36] <uniq> but, as said earlier, all changes will dissappear when you restart.
[04:37] <gdh> it installs the packages + then installs the binaries into a ramdisk.. and then has to run in RAM? :)
[04:37] <gdh> wow, that's a lotta RAM...
[04:37] <uniq> yes :)
[04:37] <uniq> for openoffice.org2 it's alot of megabytes too.
[04:39] <uniq> well, i was on my way outside, the sun is shining and all. later guys.
[04:47] <supernix> I sure wish I had me a gig of ram now
[04:47] <supernix> Sure could use it
[04:47] <supernix> It is downloading to install not sure how this will work but I am gonna give it a try I was worried that it might eat up all the ram
[04:48] <supernix> I have 512mb
[04:49] <supernix> I think I have an old 30 gig ide drive will that be quite ok for installing Kubuntu for good and using it to the fullest extent ?
[05:07] <scbibleman> Hiya gang
[05:09] <scbibleman> Ok just for the record you can't upgrade OpenOffice to 2.0 with just 512mb ram
[05:09] <chowells> scbibleman: strange, you can here
[05:09] <scbibleman> Sure you can wish in one hand and poop in the other but I can tell you which one will be filled first
[05:10] <scbibleman> hmmm odd I tried it but kynaptic froze up then the whole OS and it was a rebooting that was needed to fix
[05:10] <chowells> that has nothing to do with the amount of RAM you have
[05:10] <scbibleman> Did it freeze up on your like that as well chowells ?
[05:11] <chowells> If the "whole OS froze" then it sounds like a Linux kernel bug or hardware fault
[05:11] <eightballx> how can i gain root access under KDE?
[05:11] <paines> hi
[05:12] <eightballx> hi
[05:12] <eightballx> do you know how can i gain root access under KDE?
[05:12] <apokryphos> eightballx: what do you want it for? In command line type: sudo <command>
[05:12] <eightballx> i want it for stuff i created in command line as root, i want read + write access
[05:12] <scbibleman> hmmm I guess I could give it a whirl again
[05:13] <apokryphos> eightballx: what stuff was that? And creating things using root doesn't necessarily mean that you'll need root to access them
[05:14] <eightballx> i was maing some stuff when i was compiling something for the ipodlinux project, and i cant get access unless i am in command line
[05:15] <godsmoke> eightballx: what does kde have to do with the command line?
[05:15] <apokryphos> eightballx: see this guide: http://kudos.berlios.de
[05:15] <apokryphos> you've got a lot to learn ;-)
[05:16] <eightballx> no, in terminal i am root and have made some files, i would like full  priveleges to them in the KDE filebrowser
[05:16] <godsmoke> then change the permissions
[05:16] <godsmoke> you never enter kde as root
[05:17] <apokryphos> eightballx: why have you made files as root? You're misusing it
[05:17] <eightballx> wwhy not
[05:17] <godsmoke> because you don't want a complicated set of processes like a window manager running with root privs -- it's liable to have plenty of security bugs, and a number of other things that could destroy your computer if the wm went haywire
[05:18] <apokryphos> eightballx: root isn't something you use for normal operations. You only use it when it's required. 
[05:19] <eightballx> if i chmod the a whole folder will all the files inside have the permissions
[05:19] <scbibleman> I gotta go ty everyone for all your help will be back later looking for information on doing the install
[05:19] <godsmoke> eightballx: if you make it recursive, yes
[05:20] <eightballx> and the permissions would be ? 777 888 ??
[05:20] <godsmoke> whatever you want them to be
[05:20] <eightballx> which is highest?
[05:21] <godsmoke> 7
[05:21] <godsmoke> read + write + execute
[05:23] <godsmoke> I can't imagine there's any good reason for root to own those files in the first place
[05:23] <godsmoke> you should be compiling most things as your user, especially things like ipodlinux, which are not going to be installed on the system you're compiling with anyway
[05:26] <eightballx> how do i use chmod?
[05:26] <eightballx> i cant even access my own home folder
[05:28] <Electronics> eightballx: From your homedir one dir up
[05:29] <eightballx> im in /home
[05:29] <Electronics> eightballx: Then chmod -R user:group yourhomedir
[05:29] <Electronics> eightballx: user your username, group yourgroup of course
[05:30] <Electronics> eightballx: Then everything in youhomedir is owned by you. -R is recursively.
[05:31] <eightballx> i have tried on root and on my account and i still get 
[05:32] <Electronics> eightballx: sorry, i'm confused with chowner.
[05:50] <segfault> wazaaap :D
[05:54] <Electronics> eightballx: you still get what??
[05:54] <supernix> Hiya im back sorry had to rewire a receptacle
[05:55] <supernix> Now like I was saying before I need to test my scanner and Digital Camera to make sure they work then I can do the install but then again I could just keep XP for that stuff
[06:00] <supernix> Has anyone tried the Epson Perfection 1250 on Kubuntu ?
[06:06] <Poromies> supernix: try them with some liveCD?
[06:07] <supernix> How do I test them ?
[06:07] <Poromies> its usualy best, if you are new to linux, to test your system and all hardware out by testing linux with a liveCD
[06:08] <supernix> Do I have to mount the camera like a drive or something ?
[06:08] <supernix> it is has a USB connector
[06:08] <Poromies> well, just download and burn one of the liveCD distros, or the ubuntu-liveCD, then boot that liveCD and test if linux works with your camera/printer
[06:09] <supernix> I have the Kubuntu that I have been playing with for days
[06:09] <supernix> Kubuntu has done a better job than Ubuntu with my hardware
[06:09] <supernix> odd but true
[06:09] <Poromies> ?
[06:09] <Poromies> strange, wm shouldn't matter..
[06:09] <supernix> Like with my printer and such
[06:10] <supernix> I thought that too
[06:11] <supernix> there has to be more changes than just which WM is started
[06:12] <supernix> uuniqq: if you have any pull with the Kubuntu people sure would be nice if you would get them to get the LiveCD to auto mount any hard drives in read only mode
[06:13] <supernix> sorry uniq misspelled your nick
[06:14] <supernix> PPoromiess: what do you use in KDE to test the scanner ?
[06:14] <Titoxx69> hello :)
[06:15] <supernix> My goodness I can't get the nick complete working
[06:15] <supernix> I thought about testing Xandros but yikes they remind me of M$ with those prices
[06:18] <gdh> supernix: Start -> Graphics -> Kooka for Scanning / OCR
[06:19] <gdh> Sorry, K -> Graphics.. :)
[06:19] <mcquaid> hello all
[06:19] <supernix> Hiya
[06:19] <mcquaid> when one upgrades kde, there is a new template for new users
[06:19] <supernix> ah kewl thanks I will have to try that
[06:20] <supernix> how bout a way to test my Kodak digital any ideas ?
[06:20] <mcquaid> is there a way of merging that template with an existing user?
[06:20] <gdh> supernix: Many cameras should just appear on the desktop when you plug them into USB
[06:20] <mcquaid> the reason i ask this is khotkeys crashes in my acct but not in new users accts
[06:20] <mcquaid> i believe it's a transition issue from going to 3.4.1 form 3.4
[06:20] <mcquaid> i'd rather not delete my ~.kde dir
[06:21] <supernix> I was not sure if I had to run any special commands to get the USB to be detected
[06:21] <mcquaid> i tried copying khotkeysrc and khotkeys_update from a working user but no joy
[06:23] <gdh> supernix: nope, stuff like USB 'memory keys' will just appear, too.
[06:23] <supernix> that is great
[06:24] <supernix> I hated Linux because of that in the old days
[06:24] <supernix> You had to mount and unmount everything manualy
[06:24] <supernix> It was like Linux people had something against things working instantly
[06:24] <gdh> It was annoying, yes :) 
[06:25] <MarcC> how best to update to KDE 3.4.1?
[06:25] <gdh> MarcC: see the topic
[06:26] <MarcC> he he
[06:26] <MarcC> thanks, sorry
[06:26] <supernix> Thanks to the imrpovements I seriously am looking at Linux for my OS and Kubuntu especially
[06:27] <MarcC> I have a bunch of strange stuff from various places in my sources.list; how can I be sure it's all correct?
[06:27] <supernix> I thought about trying Xandros after reading a review about how great it is but they want some serious cash for that distro
[06:28] <supernix> why is the liveCD larger than the install CD ?
[06:29] <MarcC> install CD uses the internet, doesn't it?
[06:29] <MarcC> to download stuff.
[06:29] <supernix> I dont know
[06:29] <gdh> the two use very different techniques ..
[06:29] <MarcC> with a live CD, all the packages are there.
[06:29] <Poromies> yes
[06:29] <Poromies> install cd uses internet
[06:30] <supernix> How is the best way to install the Kubuntu ?
[06:30] <gdh> one is a series of .debs and an installer, the other is a giant compressed root-fs
[06:30] <gdh> supernix: the only sensible way is with the Install CD
[06:30] <gdh> because that's what it's for.
[06:31] <supernix> Ok but I will be doing a dual boot with XP
[06:31] <gdh> Kubuntu 5.10 in October will only present one CD which is used for both live + install :)
[06:33] <raymanrey> somebody can help me
[06:33] <raymanrey> how can i install
[06:33] <MarcC> Xandros wasn't that cool to me.
[06:33] <raymanrey> programs that i need in kubuntu
[06:33] <Poromies> supernix: be carefull with the default hdd layout, it is set to wipe out all other partitions (in default mode), so you need to get ya hands dirty and do some partition tweaking with it (custom partitioning)
[06:48] <stibby> my kubuntu box currently has no internet connection. Can i still install packages? Are the .deb files available somewhere on the web?
[06:49] <tuxJr_14> hi
[06:49] <samuelk> hello
[06:49] <tuxJr_14> hi samuelk
[06:49] <tuxJr_14> does kubuntu have OO.o 1.9?
[06:50] <samuelk> OO.o 1.9?
[06:50] <tuxJr_14> yup
[06:50] <stibby> i think he means OO.o 2
[06:50] <stibby> yes, it does
[06:56] <tuxJr_14> gohan, kubuntu is ubuntu on kde by the ubuntu people
[06:56] <samuelk> any one know any good linux game
[06:57] <apow_>  neverwinter nights :D
[06:57] <gdh> tuxracer is nice for simple eyecandy :)
[06:57] <tuxJr_14> cuyo
[06:57] <apow_> it's commercial though
[06:57] <gdh> Other than that, Konsole is a continual challenge :)
[06:59] <samuelk> will try wesnoth
[07:00] <stibby> how do i install a debian package?
[07:00] <stibby> sudo dkpg xxx.deb?
[07:00] <tuxJr_14> the best tetris^H^H^H^H^H^H non-tetris game ever
[07:02] <gdh> stibby: dpkg -i CCCCCC.deb
[07:02] <gdh> guess what the 'i' stands for :)
[07:02] <stibby> no "sudo"?
[07:02] <gdh> yes sudo :)
[07:02] <stibby> k
[07:03] <stibby> thanks
[07:03] <MarcC-away> why ask in 2 channels at once?
[07:03] <stibby> marC-away: because no one in here was answering
[07:05] <stibby> speaking of kopete, is there a way to get it to look like konverstaion's interface?
[07:05] <stibby> kopete's default IRC interface looks real bad
[07:05] <gdh> No, IRC on Kopete was an afterthought. Stick with a dedicated IRC client
[07:06] <stibby> k
[07:06] <stibby> i wish one could do both well, though
[07:06] <samuelk> m2
[07:06] <gdh> Plus, Kopete does not log conversations, which makes it slightly less than useless for IRC.
[07:06] <samuelk> kopetes irc client is very buggy...
[07:06] <gdh> (bug in Kopete)
[07:06] <supernix> Ok guys I am back
[07:07] <stibby> i like hydra irc alot, but afaik, no linux version :/
[07:08] <supernix> PPoromiess: you were saying watch out for the default install but I am actually doing the install on a second drive that I will install in a little bit in this box so will that still be a concern ?
[07:13] <supernix>  (supernix) 
[07:13] <supernix> Hi supernix
[07:14] <supernix>  (Poromies)  are you still around ?
[07:16] <samuelk> yay supertux
[07:18] <patan74> hello
[07:20] <supernix> HIya
[07:20] <paines> anyone cann tell me how th chroot 32bit modus in amd64 version ?
[07:20] <segfault> someone have cedega deb?
[07:20] <supernix> MAN I JUST NOTICED YOU GUYS HAVE A DVD TO
[07:20] <supernix> This is GREAT
[07:20] <segfault> the torrent i donw know why dont download
[07:20] <supernix> wusre wish I would have noticed that a while back
[07:26] <bzImage74> segfault: mlnet ;)
[07:27] <segfault> mlnet?
[07:29] <bzImage74> yes
[07:30] <supernix> I am definately confused about the size of the DVD though as it is only 2.88gigs
[07:31] <supernix> The Knoppix one is 4.04
[07:31] <gdh> Knoppix is full of pointless gaudy shit
[07:31] <bzImage74> segfault: $sudo apt-get install mldonkey-server
[07:32] <supernix> Which brings me to my next question does the Kubuntu crew have all the latest and up to date programs for install?
[07:32] <gdh> supernix: in breezy, yes. Don't go near breezy unless you are very familiar with Debian systems / resolving broken dependencies.
[07:33] <gdh> supernix: the response from here will be 'reinstall hoary' :)
[07:35] <supernix> I have an iso somewhere named breazy I think not sure what it is now though
[07:35] <gdh> breezy is the 'working model' for the next release in October
[07:46] <supernix> OIC
[07:46] <supernix> hmmm I wonder if I ran it or just downloaded it
[07:55] <supernix> Everyone that I talked to on Windows really talks about liking Azureus but honestly I got better results from TurboTorrent
[08:08] <supernix> Ok just curious gdh how long does it take for programs to make it into the stable branch ?
[08:09] <gdh> supernix: I feel like I'm repeating myself :)
[08:09] <gdh> Wait until October and see...
[08:10] <supernix> Ah I forgot that kubuntu is new
[08:10] <supernix> that 5.04 threw me off
[08:12] <gdh> It releases at the same time as Ubuntu :)
[08:12] <supernix> yep
[08:28] <supernix> What should I use for a virus scanner for Linux ?
[08:30] <hike> hi, I have a problem with my kcontrol app, after I click the "administrator mode" button and give it my password it returns to the title page, for example im in the "intetrnet & network -> network settings" and after giving it my password it'll go back to "internet & network"
[08:30] <buz> guys i need a way to join to pdf into one????
[08:30] <hike> supernix: use bitdefender
[08:30] <supernix> kewl
[08:30] <Hagar_Killer> its rare to get a linux virus
[08:31] <gdh> hike: that's a known issue... konsole and 'sudo kcontrol' 
[08:31] <gdh> hike: I thought it'd been fixed witht he newest updates
[08:31] <hike> yesterday someone told me to upgrade to kde 3.4.1
[08:31] <gdh> hike: that'd fix it, too ... but perhaps a little drastically
[08:31] <Hagar_Killer> Bliss
[08:33] <hike> gdh: is there a way to get around that? and something else if im in the console and I run something as root it gives me an error
[08:34] <supernix> I was shocked to hear of a virus scanner for Linux as I heard that there were no viruses for Linux that was one of the selling points for the OS but I guess that has changed
[08:34] <_mike> hi, um is there a way to enter a password for password protected archives in ark?
[08:34] <gdh> hike: I don't know :) brain has stopped :)
[08:34] <Hagar_Killer> there are few.... VERY FEW
[08:34] <Hagar_Killer> like i can only name one
[08:34] <Hagar_Killer> Bliss
[08:35] <_mike> so is there a way anyone?
[08:35] <hike> this is what I get when trying to run an app from my kconsole as root: DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[08:35] <gdh> hike: ouch
[08:35] <gdh> hike: I have no idea, sorry.
[08:35] <Hagar_Killer> i wouldnt even bother with a virus scanner
[08:36] <supernix> Is spyware still a problem in Linux ?
[08:36] <Hagar_Killer> its a cool idea that they make virus scanners for linux that scan win32 partitions
[08:36] <Hagar_Killer> no
[08:36] <Hagar_Killer> cookies yeah
[08:36] <hike> Hagar_Killer: I use bitdefender when scanning my win partitions
[08:36] <supernix> That is so kewl so you could use Linux to disenfect your Windows
[08:37] <Hagar_Killer> yes
[08:37] <gdh> Hagar_Killer: they do better than that... you can plugin Clam Antivirus into Samba,. and virus check every file that a windows machine writes to a share :)
[08:37] <supernix> that would be a killer liveCD
[08:37] <Hagar_Killer> various PE's based on linux/windows have that too
[08:37] <Hagar_Killer> so they have that supernix
[08:37] <Hagar_Killer> like BartPE
[08:38] <Hagar_Killer> i dont have linux installed on a HDD
[08:38] <supernix> wow I did not know that I will definately keep that in mind
[08:38] <Hagar_Killer> but i use it in a virtual Machine
[08:38] <supernix> Me either
[08:38] <supernix> Not yet
[08:38] <Hagar_Killer> too many problems for it to stand on its own
[08:38] <supernix> I am getting ready to install a IDE drive then install to that
[08:38] <Hagar_Killer> well i have it in vmware
[08:39] <Hagar_Killer> and its just as good
[08:39] <supernix> You run Linux in a Virtual Machine ?
[08:39] <Hagar_Killer> yes
[08:39] <supernix> hmmmm
[08:39] <Hagar_Killer> its cool as hell
[08:39] <supernix> you mean like from VMware.com
[08:39] <Hagar_Killer> i didnt pay for it
[08:39] <Hagar_Killer> more like from torrentspy.com
[08:40] <Hagar_Killer> its great software
[08:40] <Hagar_Killer> you "boot" from an iso
[08:40] <Hagar_Killer> then install your shit into a virtual HDD file
[08:40] <Hagar_Killer> then boot from the virtual hdd
[08:40] <Hagar_Killer> and linux is installed
[08:40] <supernix> that is slick for sure
[08:41] <Hagar_Killer> its great because I have Samba up so i can communicate between windows and linux
[08:41] <Hagar_Killer> without NTFS drivers
[08:41] <supernix> awsome that sounds nice
[08:42] <hike> hey that sounds like a great idea
[08:42] <Hagar_Killer> i had a windows home vm and i had networking set up
[08:42] <hike> good way to get around the ntfs problem
[08:42] <supernix> God if only I had a nice 200 gig drive
[08:42] <Hagar_Killer> i have an 80 gig
[08:42] <Hagar_Killer> and a 160 external
[08:42] <Hagar_Killer> and a 60 GB ipod
[08:43] <supernix> I have a 80 gig but only 30 gigs left on that one
[08:43] <Hagar_Killer> damn
[08:43] <supernix> I have a tendency to download large interesting files
[08:43] <Hagar_Killer> the only thing i have installed on my hdd is my OS
[08:43] <Hagar_Killer> pr0n?
[08:43] <supernix> LOL nah
[08:44] <supernix> Loads of appz
[08:44] <Hagar_Killer> @_@
[08:44] <Hagar_Killer> all the rest of my files are externally backed up
[08:44] <supernix> I like to see how they work and what they can do
[08:45] <supernix> I needed to backup mine as well
[08:45] <Hagar_Killer> and of course i have hundreds of dvd's
[08:45] <Hagar_Killer> that is a good way to solve the ntfs problem
[08:45] <Hagar_Killer> just network
[08:45] <supernix> :D never got into DVDs but I have heard friends that do
[08:45] <Hagar_Killer> you can delete, move, create, and read
[08:45] <Hagar_Killer> i use dvd's for movies and for files
[08:45] <supernix> How do you keep track of all the things you have ?
[08:46] <Hagar_Killer> what do you mean?
[08:46] <Hagar_Killer> and tons of cd-r's
[08:46] <supernix> Like a way of cataloging everything
[08:46] <Hagar_Killer> o with a sharpie :P
[08:46] <supernix> LOL same here
[08:46] <Hagar_Killer> i have a couple cd-rws
[08:47] <Hagar_Killer> like 25 of em
[08:47] <supernix> I burnt my last CDr I had last nite burning Gentoo
[08:47] <supernix> Honestly I felt cheated after it booted
[08:47] <Hagar_Killer> what a piece of shit
[08:47] <Hagar_Killer> it is great
[08:47] <Hagar_Killer> but it has no installers
[08:47] <supernix> I could not get KDE or Gnome to run it was just a prompt
[08:48] <Hagar_Killer> it is a tedious process to install it the first time
[08:48] <Hagar_Killer> they really need an installer
[08:48] <monchy> one was being worked on, not sure if it's still being developed or not
[08:48] <supernix> I have way to many things to do in life other than fighting to get things done with the OS
[08:49] <Hagar_Killer> thats why i use windows
[08:49] <supernix> Everything has to be user friendly and easy
[08:49] <Hagar_Killer> well lets dont go to far
[08:49] <supernix> Yes that is why I have been forced back into the Windows world as well
[08:49] <Hagar_Killer> i love bash
[08:49] <monchy> this was it right here: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/installer/screenshots/index.xml
[08:50] <Hagar_Killer> supernix, dont worry about viruses, esp if you are not in root
[08:50] <Hagar_Killer> if that installer becomes a reality, gentoo will become more popular
[08:51] <supernix> why do you think it will be more popular Hagar_Killer ?
[08:51] <monchy> was supposed to be included on the 2005.0 livecd
[08:51] <Hagar_Killer>  /server alphanet.kicks-ass.net /join #thebar (Small server for talking about various things)
[08:51] <Hagar_Killer> i think it will because an installer is important
[08:52] <Hagar_Killer> ppl make fun of debian because it doesnt have an installer
[08:52] <Hagar_Killer> but what the fuck!?!?!??! gentoo doesnt even have one at all
[08:52] <monchy> pft, sarge is easy to install though
[08:52] <supernix> But aint kubuntu a debian ?
[08:52] <Hagar_Killer> yes......
[08:52] <Hagar_Killer> i meant doesnt have a good installer
[08:52] <Hagar_Killer> so ppl say
[08:52] <supernix> oic
[08:53] <Hagar_Killer> i was turned off by gentoo due to the lack of an installer
[08:53] <supernix> Someone warned me about installing Kubuntu said the default would wipe my hard drives
[08:53] <Hagar_Killer> its called partitioning lol
[08:53] <gdh> Hagar_Killer: Gentoo is for skript-kiddies who feel they're 1337 :)
[08:53] <Hagar_Killer> i figgured
[08:53] <gdh> -O6 --funroll-loops lolomgwtfbbq!?!!!!?!?!?!1111
[08:53] <Hagar_Killer> if you can get through the install you feel like king
[08:53] <Hagar_Killer> apt-get moo
[08:54] <gdh> supercow to the rescue :)
[08:54] <Hagar_Killer> have you mooed today?
[08:57] <Hagar_Killer> http://rafb.net/paste/results/08K8I044.nln.html
[09:16] <Mac38DO> Hi! There is no cdrdao-packacke for my kubuntu-ppc :-(
[09:16] <Mac38DO> package
[09:16] <Hagar_Killer> apt-cache search cdrdao
[09:17] <Mac38DO> No result
[09:17] <Hagar_Killer> well it is an x86 world
[09:17] <Hagar_Killer> macs suck
[09:17] <Hagar_Killer> get an amd64
[09:18] <Mac38DO> Hagar_Killer: Why???
[09:18] <Hagar_Killer> macs just blow chunks
[09:19] <Hagar_Killer> it will be interesting when mac comes to x86
[09:19] <gdh> Mac hardware is lovely :) No IRQ / legacy shit :)
[09:20] <supernix> From what I heard it wont be long till they do move to X86
[09:21] <Mac38DO> x86 ist a very bad architecture
[09:22] <goat> supposedly theres spose to be a leak of OS X this today or 2m
[09:22] <Mac38DO> It still has bugs from the early beginnigs
[09:22] <gdh> IRQ2/9 cascade - yum!
[09:22] <supernix> LOL but it wont run on X86 as I recall
[09:22] <goat> ill see if i can grab the link
[09:22] <goat> dont ask me :P
[09:23] <gdh> supernix: It won't be long before some group bypasses that check.
[09:23] <goat> http://digg.com/apple/mac_OS_X_for_x86_leak
[09:25] <goat> not very informative.. but yea
[09:26] <Mac38DO> I have studied Physics. My Professor has worked as a chip-developer for Intel. His team designed a chip with an ideal architecture.
[09:26] <Mac38DO> And what happend?
[09:27] <Hagar_Killer> http://rapidshare.de/files/2878718/06_-_Taste_So_Good.mp3.html
[09:27] <Hagar_Killer> hilarious song
[09:27] <Mac38DO> They never used it, because Windows would have to becompiled for that chip
[09:27] <Mac38DO> So Intel still uses this buggy and bad x86
[09:27] <goat> whats computing without bugs?
[09:28] <Mac38DO> goat: Easy. Like OSX
[09:28] <Mac38DO> Works always
[09:28] <supernix> that is a little messed up nobody would tell what they were going to do the day before
[09:28] <goat> fuk my kopete is flipping out
[09:29] <goat> it crashed after i put my own username in the buddylist
[09:29] <goat> then all names got duplicated to have an uppercase version and lowercase
[09:29] <goat> so i reinstalled
[09:29] <supernix> anybody know the difference between the install CD and the install DVD/CD ?
[09:30] <goat> but its still dunski and jsut crashes every time now
[09:30] <goat> instlal DVD has a whole bunch of packages on it
[09:30] <goat> whereas u need like 14 cds for the same amt of packages
[09:30] <goat> but just the first cd has the base system and stuff on it
[09:30] <goat> I think
[09:30] <goat> haha
[09:30] <supernix> Oh so that is it you just have all the packages on the DVD instead of having to get them from the net
[09:31] <goat> believe so
[09:31] <supernix> I feel stupid now because I was waiting with great anticipation for the DVD to finish to try it as if it were going to be somehow better or different
[09:33] <goat> how fast u dling it at?
[09:33] <goat> brb
[09:44] <Hagar_Killer> ml
[09:44] <Hagar_Killer> http://rapidshare.de/files/2878718/06_-_Taste_So_Good.mp3.html (funny ass song)
[09:45] <supernix> Ok to answer your question earlier goat I am getting around 70kbs to 110kbs
[09:45] <Hagar_Killer> download it via BT
[09:46] <supernix> I am using Azureus
[09:46] <supernix> Would Bit Torrent be better to use ?
[09:46] <DavidLeeRoth> can you guys here me
[09:46] <DavidLeeRoth> do i still have voice?
[09:47] <DavidLeeRoth> hello?
[09:47] <goat> hi
[09:47] <DavidLeeRoth> i have voice?
[09:47] <goat> no....
[09:47] <DavidLeeRoth> lol
[09:47] <goat> dammit somebody has alrdy registered goat on nickserv
[09:48] <DavidLeeRoth> that sucks
[09:48] <DavidLeeRoth> g0at
[09:49] <DavidLeeRoth> or gat
[09:49] <drawagoat> better name :)
[09:49] <DavidLeeRoth> or gat
[09:49] <DavidLeeRoth> like mtley!
[09:49] <DavidLeeRoth> or husker du
[09:50] <supernix> how bout 1337 LOL
[09:50] <DavidLeeRoth> no
[09:50] <drawagoat> k im good
[09:51] <drawagoat> haha
[09:51] <drawagoat> hey in konversation when i set it to automatically identify
[09:51] <drawagoat> what do i put under service? nickserv?
[09:51] <DavidLeeRoth> im in konversation now
[09:51] <drawagoat> nvr mind
[09:51] <DavidLeeRoth> but i prefer irssi
[09:52] <supernix> Alright man just hooked up with someone giving me 200+kbs
[09:53] <supernix> ETA 3hours
[09:54] <DavidLeeRoth> (__)
[09:55] <DavidLeeRoth> (oo)
[09:55] <DavidLeeRoth>  /------\/
[09:55] <DavidLeeRoth>  / |    ||
[09:55] <DavidLeeRoth> *  /\---/\
[09:57] <fucker> hey
[09:57] <supernix> hmmm does that mean he banned him :(
[09:57] <gdh> Hey this is a family channel
[09:57] <fucker> its me 
[09:57] <fucker> Hagar_Killer
[09:57] <gdh> so type /nick .. ?
[09:57] <supernix> oh ok
[09:58] <fucker> i tried to post the cow
[09:58] <fucker> i forgot about floods
[09:58] <fucker> *(
[09:59] <apt-get_moo> lol
[09:59] <uniq> now behave.
[10:01] <apt-get-moo> ok finally i found a nick
[10:01] <uniq> when you are quiteted by +q it's for a reason, so avoiding it will only get you banned. swearing and other childish behavior is not welcome.
[10:01] <apt-get-moo> swearing?
[10:01] <apt-get-moo> when?
[10:02] <apt-get-moo> O dur mmy nick
[10:02] <uniq> your nice nickname and more.
[10:03] <uniq> flooding cows and such is not liked either. 
[10:06] <supernix> (bandwidth) 0b (record) 703.55mb
[10:06] <uniq> supernix: stop using colors please.
[10:07] <supernix> Ok so I guess you only allow raw mIRC
[10:07] <uniq> raw text, and i prefer on topic text. :)
[10:08] <monchy> which only happens 10% of the time
[10:08] <uniq> that doesn't mean that's what's wanted.
[10:09] <apt-get-moo> youre using mirc? laugh-out-loud
[10:11] <supernix> Bang you hard sucka
[10:12] <apt-get-moo> do u use linux
[10:12] <supernix> YES I don't use IRC much but when I do I use Xoniq script with mIRC
[10:12] <supernix> I am working my way into Linux
[10:12] <supernix> I have been using the LiveCD lately to test
[10:13] <supernix> I just saw another client called Xchat
[10:13] <supernix> Think I shall give it a try to keep the fuss down
[10:13] <apt-get-moo> xchat is good
[10:13] <nmorse> I'm an irssi and Konversation fan
[10:13] <apt-get-moo> its available in linux
[10:13] <supernix> Back when I used IRC much mIRC was the only thing I recall being around
[10:13] <apt-get-moo> same her nmorse
[10:13] <Poromies> irssi o/
[10:14] <apt-get-moo> im in konversation right now
[10:14] <apt-get-moo> but i was in irssi
[10:14] <nmorse> I'm using Konversation right now
[10:15] <uniq> you have lots of clients to choose from, ircii, epic, bitchx, scrollz, irssi, xchat, kvirc, ksirc, konversation and more. :)
[10:15] <supernix> I only see a link to Xchat so I will install that real quick
[10:15] <supernix> so konversation is Windows ?
[10:15] <nmorse> No, KDE on Linux
[10:15] <nmorse> or BSD or any other POSIX OS really
[10:16] <supernix> oic
[10:17] <supernix> Take it easy on me I at least I am trying to do the right thing *sigh*
[10:17] <nmorse> Indeed
[10:17] <nmorse> I just tend to ramble on, a bad habit I've picked up from somewhere
[10:19] <supernix> ah crap
[10:19] <supernix> Xchat is shareware
[10:19] <uniq> it's not? 
[10:19] <uniq> xchat.org ? 
[10:19] <monchy> it is for windows
[10:20] <uniq> hah.. ok.
[10:20] <monchy> yes, hah...
[10:20] <nmorse> mIRC is a freeware client for Windows though, correct?
[10:20] <monchy> mirc is shareware also
[10:22] <supernix> But I is a poh boy
[10:23] <nmorse> Hmm, there has to be a free client for Windows
[10:23] <monchy> chatzilla or something
[10:23] <nmorse> Chatzilla exists as an extension for Firefox too now, doesn't it?
[10:24] <monchy> pretty sure
[10:24] <elliezet> hi everyone! is there a kubuntu italian channel somewhere? thank you :)
[10:25] <nmorse> #ubuntu-it
[10:25] <uniq> elliezet: i don't think so, the closest you get is #ubuntu-it if you want italian.
[10:25] <elliezet> thankyou :)
[10:25] <supernix> hmmm Im actualy thinking I might have that
[10:25] <nmorse> Dadgummit, it's hard to make a neverwinter nights module in linux
[10:26] <nmorse> The official toolset requires some fork of WINE
[10:26] <nmorse> And a Windows install to copy it from
[10:26] <nmorse> and neveredit only edits mods as near as I can tell
[10:27] <nmorse> I really just want to make an underwater Underdark adventure, do I have to have Windows for that?
[10:27] <uniq> looks like you do :|
[10:27] <nmorse> Hmm, I'll beat this system yet somehow
[10:28] <uniq> that's the spirit. :)
[10:29] <uniq> hi mez.
[10:29] <Mez> hey uniq
[10:29] <Mez> sup?
[10:30] <uniq> not much, trying to find some good "turn scanner+printer into copying machine"-software for a customer.
[10:32] <supernix> I shall return my friends
[10:33] <supernix> what it be like
[10:33] <Mez> why you opped up?
[10:33] <supernix> :D
[10:33] <supernix> Ok this is a lil client called Trillian
[10:33] <monchy> trillian is ok
[10:34] <uniq> mez: because it keeps everything somehow calmer. more on topic and less joking around.
[10:37] <supernix> =:)
[10:40] <supernix> Only 2 hours and 50 minutes to go
[10:40] <supernix> Sure wish I could latch onto a nice 1mbps connection
[10:44] <gdh> there's nothing 'lil' about Trillian
[10:44] <gdh> Last time I used it, it was a mish-mash of broken UI concepts and logic :/
[10:46] <nightfire> hi
[10:47] <uniq> hi nightfire.
[10:52] <nightfire> hi uniq 
[10:55] <nightfire> Can someone test a script for me?
[10:55] <nightfire> I am working on a bandwithmeter
[10:56] <nightfire> it works fine und gentoo and slackware yet
[10:56] <nightfire> i haven't testet it with kubuntu
[10:57] <nightfire> http://nopaste.php-q.net/145769 <-- you only need to set the eth variable
[10:57] <uniq> ok.. hang on.
[10:57] <nightfire> thx
[10:58] <supernix> I dont get it every single time I try to go to a website it is timing out on me it must be that stupid SP2 crap fix
[11:00] <uniq> nightfire: does not look promising on breezy.
[11:01] <nightfire> hm
[11:01] <uniq> bandwidth.sh: line 46: [: 428: unary operator expected
[11:02] <uniq> when i copy something over the network.
[11:02] <uniq> works when nothing big is transfered though :)
[11:04] <nightfire> uniq: is is limited to 200 kb
[11:04] <nightfire> it is for internet
[11:04] <uniq> I used it on the internet :)
[11:05] <uniq> well, then it works, if that's expected to happen on speeds over 200kb/sec.
[11:06] <supernix> Well that is one more thing I can rest securely in knowing
[11:06] <supernix> I wont have some loser company capping my connection
[11:09] <supernix> Oh boy only 2 more hours now
[11:29] <delltony> hi can someone please point me to a working solution to making xvids from dvds? I have tried to installed dvd::rip but transcode will not compile due to numerous dependency issues. i have ran dwn the list of trying to install the dependencies one by one but i can't seem to get passed libavcsscodec or something that nature. any help would be great for id lie to make xvids
[11:37] <gdh> libavcodec?
[11:37] <gdh> that's usually provided by either the ffmpeg package, or some magic at nerim.net
[11:37] <gdh> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[11:38] <gdh> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[11:38] <gdh> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[11:38] <gdh> lather, rinse, repeat :)
[11:38] <seth_k> oy, marillat is death though :/
[11:38] <seth_k> unless you pin it right
[11:38] <nmorse> Indeed
[11:38] <gdh> seth_k: Yes, you have to treat it carefully :)
[11:38] <nmorse> and it won't install some stuff right now due to Ubuntu's packages being too old
[11:38] <gdh> therein lies dependency dilemma :)
[11:39] <nmorse> which apt normally solves
[11:39] <nmorse> When you use only a small set of repos though
[11:39] <delltony> thats the whole issue i'm having it will not install
[11:39] <delltony> so how do you guys make dvds to xvids i can't believe noone besides me wants to do that :)
[11:40] <nmorse> I've thought about it
[11:40] <nmorse> Just haven't had the gumption to do so