=== mxpxpod [~BryanForb@wuw-ojr3gmca.dybb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sjoerd [sjoerd@fire.ipv6.luon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [~ompaul@213-202-165-193.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:09] whats the eta on colony 3? [12:11] we only just had colony 2 === usual [~colin@pool-68-236-143-85.alb.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] mdke, this is true, but august is really close, I was going to wait till after the weekend if it was due out between now and Monday [12:13] is X borked in breez? [12:13] usual, X is great in breez [12:13] sort of [12:13] takes some fixing but works fine [12:13] which s it [12:13] ok [12:13] i'm running it right now on two machines [12:13] I get errors about X not exisiting [12:14] usual, did you update? [12:14] mdke, not today but todays updates for me were nothing but openoffice [12:14] mdke, I updated yesterday and X went south === shwiiing [~shwiiing@dsl-209-126.o-d.tiscali.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] i think it should be fixed either now or very soon [12:14] k [12:15] no biggie of course I expect it with the unstable but if there was a fixI would certainly want it :) [12:15] usual: what error do you get? [12:15] i think its a sym link needed [12:15] but not sure [12:15] best to check bugzilla and see if there is a fix [12:15] seth_k, not exactly sure at the moment as I am not on that box but it was something along the lines of X can't be found or doesn't exist [12:15] k [12:16] usual: the only problems I'm seeing this week are "X not executable" errors, which can be solved with: [12:16] sudo ln -sf /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg /etc/X11/X [12:16] ymmv [12:16] k [12:17] lemme try that [12:17] thanks [12:20] pitti: best SASL/postfix docs are bugs filed against postfix/postfix-tls asking me to automate it, in the debian bts... a couple of them have the steps required... :( [12:20] lamont: thanks for the hint :-) [12:20] lamont: so far I successfully converted from exim to postfix on my server === lamont misses elmo by ~ 8 minutes, grumbles === xhaker [xhaker@213.201.220.244] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mrd` [~matthew@c-24-1-63-132.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] Anyone else having problems with linux-image-2.6.12-3-k7? Whenever I boot it, top shows 80+% of my CPU time being used and powernowd steps up my processor to full speed, but no apps actually seem to be using anywhere near that much CPU time. linux-image-2.6.12-2-k7 works fine, however. [12:49] mrd`: I'm using that exact version (k7 even), and I'm having issues with my system clock running about 20x too fast [12:50] Hm. [12:50] I went back to 2.6.10 for now [12:50] the funny thing is my laptop is running 2.6.12 and has no issues [12:50] just the desktop [12:51] Is the laptop running 2.6.12-3-k7 or a different 2.6.12 kernel? [12:51] pitti: and I'm a slacker... it's on my list of things to try to have done for breezy (selfsigned cert for SASL/TLS, config by default, with debconf questions to DTRT) === mrd` 's laptop handles 2.6.12-2-k7 fine, just something between that and -3-k7 broke. [12:51] oy, true. the laptop is running -686 [12:51] they are both running -3 [12:52] Hm. === mrd` wonders where in bugzilla you report kernel problems. [12:52] There doesn't seem to be a linux-image package. [12:54] mrd`: you might try linux-image-386... there should be a linux-image-k7 as well [12:55] lamont: I don't see anything prefixed with linux-image. [12:56] In Ubuntu's bugzilla. [12:56] ah, for that you may want to just use linux-source-2.6.12 or so [12:56] worst case, you file it against unknown === lamont must run === mrd` didn't think he saw any linux-source packages either... but I'll look again. [12:56] that reminds me... [12:56] isnt the package just "linux"? [12:57] we should configure Maildir/ not mbox for ubuntu === mrd` looks for a 'linux' package then. [12:57] Oh, d'oh. === mrd` wonders how he missed that. === anibal [ams@ns1.mssinc.biz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shack\out [shackan@host29-107.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === |QuaD- [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ahuman01 [~ahuman01@pool-151-197-40-157.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:25] seb128, services-admin appears to use it own authentication dialog [01:26] Burgundavia: right, the desktop is not patched to use gksudo ... I'll fix that [01:27] seb128, cheers [01:27] is the us.archive still having md5 sum issues? [01:32] Burgundavia: nalioth says yes [01:33] Burgundavia: I haven't had any recently, but maybe some packages? [01:33] ok [01:34] Burgundavia: somebody just had one with audacity as I was typing :P [01:35] ok [01:35] nalioth reports GB archive also experiencing issues [01:36] hmm [01:36] I have had no issues with the CA archives === sfvt [~sfvt@pool-64-222-117-63.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] try Audacity [01:38] CA == US, and somebody just reported that package had a mismatch on US [01:41] fabbione: OOo2 1.9.113-1ubuntu2 will be built using g++-3.4 on sparc. please retry === sebest [~chatzilla@sebest.ovibes.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [~mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] hey all, has any else noticed this [01:50] Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libs/libsndfile/libsndfile1_1.0.10-2_i386.deb MD5Sum mismatch [01:50] indeed [01:51] us mirror is having issues [01:51] ah, ok, thnx [01:51] you can switch to http://archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list if you want [01:51] e.g., remove all the "us." [01:51] at least its not just me [01:51] i will do that for now, thnx [01:57] [01:57] [01:57] oh, you can do that [01:57] ah thats wicked slow 3000B/s 10 min to d/l Packages file, ouch === shackan [shackan@host56-100.pool8259.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === r0bby2 [~wakawaka@cpe-204-210-133-115.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:03] night, guys [02:04] night pitti boy :D === shack\out [shackan@host123-137.pool8255.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zwnj [~behnam@81.31.160.199] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL_ [KaiL@p548F5B23.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tiglionabbit [~nick@c-67-171-159-205.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:30] hello. I am not part of development, but may I suggest that there be implemented a way to use the gui file browser with admin privileges in a later version? Some ubuntu users want to edit their config files using the gui, as they do not know how to use the terminal properly [02:30] Why does the file browser need to run as root to edit config files? [02:31] something like an entry in applications -> system tools for "Root File Browser" ( gksudo nautilus ) [02:31] they already can using gksudo $app [02:31] crimsun: what if they don't know to type that, and do not want to open a terminal? === Amaranth [~amaranth@AC8BF933.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:31] perhaps better then, add an entry to the right-click menu in nautilus for "Edit as Root" or something? [02:32] tiglionabbit: they can still use the Run menu entry [02:32] That's probably a better choice than running all of nautilus as root. [02:33] true. Seveas tells me that running nautilus as root will screw up Xauthority and cause a user to not be able to log in [02:34] hm, I suppose run application would work. I could just advise people to type "gksudo gedit" and the absolute path to the config file [02:34] or just have them open it from gedit. Anyway thanks [02:36] it would be cool if i could just drag some file to some folder, nautilus would see that it cannot copy there, and ask if i want to copy with gksudo [02:36] chrissturm++ === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:37] chrissturm: I think what would be the best possible solution is, if there were a way the standard editors like gedit could call gksudo when they reach a permissions problem, rather than just saying it couldn't be written [02:38] but the root file browser would be good just to be able to create directories and touch files [02:39] Standard editors like nano you mean? ;-P [02:39] gui editors. If they already can use nano, then they already know how to use the terminal, so there's no problem telling them to sudo that [02:39] I'm talking about waaay newbies === bddebian is a waay n00b :-) [02:40] tiglionabbit, can unix processes sudo themselves, or is it just possible to start new processes as root? [02:40] hm, the latter [02:41] wow, I hadn't experimented with gedit. It doesn't even let you mess with the file at all, does it [02:41] tiglionabbit, so they would need to copy the file to tmp, and then move it with a new process === Am|NickTaken [amaranth@AC8A4A3A.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:42] there is a wrapper for it [02:42] sudoedit I think [02:42] it starts $EDITOR iirc [02:42] It would be relatively simple to do something like fork a new process, and exec in that process "gksudo tee $file" and then write your data into that process's stdin. [02:42] oo, sudoedit runs nano for me [02:43] (Though, I don't know if it's possible to tell if/when gksudo succeeded.) [02:44] Hmm, perhaps in breezy you could add sudoedit as one of the default context menu items, and set the editor to something gui users would like? [02:45] and also, instead of having the create directory/folder items greyed out, have them call gksudo mkdir and such [02:45] better off to make gedit ask you for sudo [02:46] rather than a secondary option === stub [~stub@203-217-37-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:46] and add the $EDITOR to "preferred applications" [02:46] f.e. [ This file is not editable by you, it's likely this is a system file and editing may change or damage your system. To open it, enter your password and hit ok, to close, hit cancell === kl [~kl@p548F5B23.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:48] alright, however you want to handle it. I'm just finding the joy of Ubuntu here, I can actually recommend it to people who prefer to use gui interfaces [02:50] pittyeah [02:50] Kamion: yah, will be fixed in -35 === Am|NickTaken [~amaranth@ACA3C534.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luis_ [~louie@c-66-31-46-131.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:54] what can be the reason if xorg throws a signal 11 at startup? [02:55] buggy radeon binary drivers [02:56] it works with my radeon drivers, but on my notebooks i810 it signal 11s [02:56] huh [02:56] chrissturm: you're running dual-head, aren't you? [02:59] daniels: nope. strange thing is it works now after i removed xserver-common, and reinstalled it [03:00] ... errr [03:00] daniels: why doesn't 3d work on my radeon? *stamps foot* [03:05] Keybuk: because it hates you, and wants you to die [03:05] :'( [03:06] eeks [03:06] Brutal group :-) === mxpxpod [~bryan@mxpxpod.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aeddan [~aeddan@203.39.89.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aeddan [~aeddan@203.39.89.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Am|NickTaken [amaranth@AC9CDEF6.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [~slomo@p5487EF94.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:36] it's all about the CYCLONE [03:36] THE CYCLONE OF HATE [03:36] Sheesh === Amaranth [amaranth@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:38] you don't believe me? [03:46] Keybuk: I believe EVERYTHING you say ;-) [03:46] heh [03:46] bddebian: you fool [03:47] whats the Java (J2SE) package called in Breezy? [03:47] just java-common? [03:47] Once upon a time at the foot of a great mountain, there was a town where the people known as Happy Folk lived... [03:47] rob^, j2se package? [03:47] java-sucks? [03:47] You mean a java virtual machine? [03:47] We have a number. [03:48] java-gcj-compat is what we're going with right now [03:48] yes, java virtual machine [03:48] for apps [03:48] Depends which app [03:48] azureus for one [03:48] We can't run it. [03:48] Get Sun's. [03:49] just need some info for the FAQ === bddebian feels no love :-) [03:49] You mean on a wiki? [03:49] no, in the svn repo [03:49] FOr azureus itself? [03:49] no, the official ubuntu one [03:50] Somebody made that. [03:50] I don't have an opinion on it at all. [03:51] we are rewriting parts of it with the idea that it will be released with Breezy, so I just need to know if any sought of Java VM style package is included or do we still need to download Suns one === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53] say, is there any gui way to "Move" or "Copy" admin files? [03:53] or any in plans === ealden [~ealden@219.90.94.228] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:02] rob^, no Sun JVM package will ever be included. [04:02] Unless Sun changes their license. [04:02] But we have a number of free alternatives which are rapidly improving. We have Eclipse running. [04:02] ok [04:02] And work on Azureus is proceeding (you will be able to apt-get install it probably breezy+1) [04:02] I will add that people need to download it from sun [04:03] thanks [04:03] I won't ever personally recommend you download anything from Sun. [04:03] However it's an option. :0 [04:03] :0 [04:03] :) [04:07] What about blackdown? [04:09] Blackdown is no differnet from Suns. [04:09] In fact it is Suns. [04:11] Oh. Hmm [04:13] does it work? [04:14] No idea. === zwnj [~behnam@81.31.160.199] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [~mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [~aks@CPE00112f96b894-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:33] ugh [04:33] Kamion: ping [04:42] jdub: ping. === wasabi [~wasabi@c-67-174-81-195.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:45] whiprush: pong [04:46] I've been playing with the new nautilus side panel thinger. thoughts? [04:46] wrt. what we discussed at UDU? [04:46] places? yeah. very happy to see it. === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:51] Anyone know if us.archive.ubuntu.com has problems? [04:52] it does indeed [04:52] fairly large ones [04:52] i've been recommending a switch from us.archive to archive. [04:52] It seems this has been ongoing. What gives? [04:52] note that CA archive is the same machine as US [04:52] dunno what gives [04:53] mwuhaha [04:53] Better not tell those Canuks that.. ;-P [04:56] seth_k: for a while (1-2 weeks ago?) us.archive DNS was pointing to archive. (just after the last set of problems with the mirror). Obviously that DNS change was reverted at one point... === lakin [~lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:58] robitaille: thanks for the heads up. what causes the md5 errors? [04:59] I have no idea... [05:00] Usually corrupt package files but I'm not sure that is what's happening here. Unless the files are getting corrupted on the download? [05:01] Interestingly I just noticed that ca.archive is pointing to archive tonight; not at us.archive as it is usually the case. [05:02] That explains why the 2 packages I just installed didn't generate any errors === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:03] Hmm, odd [05:03] !w32codecs [05:03] oops [05:04] heh === sfvt [~sfvt@pool-64-222-117-63.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:18] gar, xorg is snowballing again :\ [05:18] snowballing? [05:19] ending up in one huge release [05:19] Ah [05:20] daniels@brainfreeze:~/canonical/xorg% debdiff old/xorg_6.8.2-34.dsc xorg_6.8.2-35.dsc | diffstat | tail -1 [05:20] 194 files changed, 1734 insertions(+), 4063 deletions(-) [05:20] oy [05:20] release of doom [05:21] even better than that is the post-hoary stat [05:21] daniels@brainfreeze:~/canonical/xorg% debdiff hoary/xorg_6.8.2-10.dsc xorg_6.8.2-35.dsc | diffstat | tail -1 [05:21] 435 files changed, 189075 insertions(+), 36648 deletions(-) [05:21] which isn't counting all the work that's gone on in the external packages [05:21] time-based release! === luis_ runs [05:22] hehe === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:28] luis_: ha [05:29] seriously, though, that does help prevent that exact problem [05:30] luis_: sure, but even if I upload it a day later that I hope (which may well happen), that's still only been since monday [05:30] modularisation helps more, really [05:31] xorg uploads are frigging unwieldy at the moment [05:31] and I feel guilty about having done 24 since hoary [05:32] daniels: good job with the updates :) [05:33] daniels: so is the source itself going to be split out as well? [05:33] calc: totally [05:33] istr something about that with 6.9? [05:33] nah [05:34] 6.9 and 7.0 will release in parallel with the same code [05:34] ah ok [05:34] but 6.9 will be an imake monolith, 7.0 will be autotooled and modular [05:34] i've been nibbling at the tree from the bottom [05:34] great [05:35] oh btw -34 didn't seem to fix the /etc/X11/X symlink it was left dead [05:36] iirc it was pointing to /usr/bin/X11/Xorg [05:36] i manually pointed it at /usr/bin/X11/bin/Xorg [05:46] /usr/bin/X11/bin/Xorg is quite obviously broken [05:46] /usr/bin/X11 should be pointing at /usr/bin; if it's not, that's a separate issue [05:55] That issue exists because /usr/bin/X11 didn't properly get turned into a symlink, so the ln -s ../bin /usr/bin/X11 landed in the directory, rather than replacing it. [05:56] (I really hate thast ln behaviour, BTW... Very inintuitive) [05:56] "Of course I wanted a link called "bin" in that directory, thanks!" [05:56] Aye [05:58] I guess it's intuitive from the "behaves like cp and mv" perspective, but who uses ln "as if they were copying a file"? === infinity waits for someone to say that they do just that. [05:59] I just do that [05:59] Happy now? :-) [05:59] Thrilled. [05:59] daniels : Still want me to fix x-common, or have you done so already? [06:00] daniels : I can do it in the next hour or so. === `anthony [~anthony@220-253-14-6.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38-home [~Christian@LNeuilly-152-22-2-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === davyd [~davyd@cugglephone.madeley.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:13] infinity: there's another ULI in ti for you [06:13] Hot diggity. [06:14] infinity: make it two if you want to finish modularising the server [06:14] ULI in ti? Eeks [06:14] 'ultimate long island in it' [06:14] (incidentally, for shits and giggles, try googling for 'clueless noob', with or without quotes) [06:14] I want it finished, but I don't want to finish it. :) [06:15] i need to sort it on the weekend [06:15] no idea when, thought [06:15] daniels: Are you trying to tell me something? :-) [06:15] between stuff on friday night, stuff on saturday afternoon, stuff on saturday night ... [06:17] daniels : Is that my cue to recompile my entire system against a different libc? [06:21] infinity: different libc? [06:23] morning [06:23] daniels : The 'clueless noob' -> drepper connection. [06:24] oh, right [06:24] not really, just entertaining [06:24] the power of Planets and all that [06:39] Does anything actually install files in /usr/bin/X11? [06:41] Oh, yay. xserver-xorg does. (why?) [06:41] nothing in breezy does, no [06:42] uhm, not any more. Contents needs updating. [06:42] i fixed that particular brain damage in -34. [06:42] Ah. Xorg moved to /usr/bin, then? [06:42] (i just zgrepped Contents as well) [06:42] well, it's still in /usr/X11R6/bin, but the symlink moved to /usr/bin [06:42] Check. [06:42] So, why do we even care about having the directory/symlink at all? [06:43] fhs, more or less [06:43] x shit is defined to be available in /usr/bin/X11 [06:43] \o/ [06:43] Joy. === mae [~mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:52] humpf.. this piece of crap is a catch 22 === chris38-home2 [~Christian@LNeuilly-152-22-2-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:05] Yeargh. When did debdiff stop working for native packages? [07:05] Feh. [07:07] gar [07:07] no keybuk, either [07:07] anyone know how to do funky inclusion with automake? [07:07] daniels : http://lucifer.0c3.net/~adconrad/x-common.diff [07:07] Erm, but ignore debian/bar. === infinity goes to remove that. [07:07] i need to generate a Makefile with a shell-script at build-time (either ./configure or from within the Makefile), but I can't seem to get an include in [07:08] (was a test file) [07:09] daniels : If you're positive nothing should ever be living in /usr/bin/X11 on a user's system, then you can just rm -rf it, but the warning should be harmless if 99.9% of people won't ever see it anyway. [07:10] (Have we accidentally created any files in /usr/bin/X11 along the way, other than "bin"? [07:10] ) [07:11] infinity: not that I'm aware of -- rm -rf should be safe [07:11] btw, I can't connect to lucifer. chuck it on rookery, willya? [07:11] Oh, duh. [07:11] http://cerberus.0c3.net/~adconrad/x-common.diff [07:11] Using an A record with a private address is smart, Adam. Yes. [07:12] heh [07:12] what do you all use as a development environment for GTK+ apps [07:12] rm -rf is safe from the POV of dpkg (ie: we don't ship any files there), but users may prefer not to lose stuff they dropped there with "make install" at some point. Hence the warning instead. [07:13] infinity: looks good to me [07:13] If you're pretty sure users won't have shit there anyway, then we can toss it. Then again, if users wouldn't ever have stuff there, why is it in the FHS? :) [07:13] (WHich leads me to believe someone might) [07:14] mmm, probably safer just warning and/or bombing [07:15] Yeah. I like the warning, since bombing the postinst doesn't really help anyone. === daniels giggles. [07:15] So, I'll just upload this. [07:16] a shell script that generates a huge chunk of a Makefile, that gets read into a variable in ./configure, and substituted in-place to the generated Makefile [07:16] You're still not sleeping properly, are you? [07:17] never better [07:18] Oh. [07:18] Well, shame about your drug habit, then. [07:20] worship the crack, dude === bytee [~byte@202.186.36.28] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:21] gah, it's really not liking these newlines [07:26] hm, found a slightly less crackful way to master this === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob [jcape@c-24-14-115-101.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.2.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [~zenrox@71.115.194.55] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:50] AHGHHHHHHHH [07:50] GOT IT ! [07:50] daniels: xlibmesa-gl-dev: Depends: x11proto-gl-dev but it is not going to be installed [07:51] daniels: what do i need to play with to fix that? [07:51] jdub: re: the "root terminal" thing, you could (as an interim solution) have the desktop exec "gnome-terminal --execute sudo -s -p 'Enter your password to run a root shell: '" [07:52] FINALLY! === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:52] Lathiat: you need to install x11proto-gl-dev :P [07:52] Lathiat: sudo apt-get install x11proto-gl-dev, see what it conflicts with [07:53] heh ok [07:53] that was in a buildd but [07:53] but i suppose i can see what it does locally === sjoerd [sjoerd@fire.ipv6.luon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.2.dynamic.phpg.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.2.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] GRRR... [07:57] hey fabbione [07:57] hi whiprush [07:58] may I trouble with you with a kernel question? [07:58] whiprush: if you feel lucky :) [07:58] heh [07:58] the pptp driver in hoary doesn't work with bsd-based firewalls like monowall. [07:59] a friend of mine bugged me with it but hasn't told me specifics yet [07:59] it's a bsd problem :P [08:00] apparently some distros are pulling the pptp driver right from the guys CVS even though he hasn't made a release. [08:00] how shall I proceed? [08:00] we don't pull from CVS [08:00] i am pretty sure about it... [08:01] ok, so the right answer is "ask the guy to release?" [08:01] whiprush: how to proceed is a good question... does it work with other distros? === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:01] it works with fc4 just fine. [08:01] whiprush: no, my point is that we don't pull from CVS.. should we? [08:02] whiprush: if it works with other distros, it might as well be a problem with bsd... [08:02] but, the one thing that caught my attention is the original patch was for 2.6.23 [08:02] too many vars in the middle [08:02] er, 2.6.2 [08:02] which led me to ask "why isn't in mainline yet?" if it's been so long [08:03] if nobody push the patch, it will never go mainline [08:03] + the code needs to be clean [08:03] and probably it's not [08:03] I agree. === slomo [~slomo@p5487C73F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:04] My bsd-based router is a new release of m0n0wall, which is pretty popular around my group of friends. But this kernel patch seems to be wonky. [08:04] last update I can tell is for 2.6.2 [08:05] mppe http://free.polbox.pl/h/hs001/ mppe-mppc-(.*).patch.gz 1.3 linux- [08:05] 2.6.11-[] [08:05] is this one the patch you are talking about? [08:05] anyway, I'll get more specifics on the patch itself, I've had like 3 of my friends patch their kernels to "make it work" but none of them seem to know any specifics. === davyd [~davyd@cugglephone.madeley.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [~anthony@220-253-14-6.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38-home2 [~Christian@LNeuilly-152-22-2-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:06] I'll file a bug, I was just wondering if you happened to know anything about it off the top of your head. [08:07] 2 of them just enabled ipsec and worked with that instead if filing a bug (grrr!!!!) [08:08] whiprush: i might as well be a BSD problem [08:08] i really have no idea [08:08] ok, I'll get more specifics on it then [08:08] i don't use bsd and tbh i don't have machines to test it and knowledge to debug it === icaro [~icaro@adsl-ull-158-28.44-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:09] it works linux2linux so for me it's ok [08:09] It really sucks when people fix their stuff and tell no one. [08:09] ok = it can be bsd ;) [08:10] "Oh hey, ubuntu won't work with this pptp setup, and no I can't help you, but I like the naked girls." [08:10] story of my life. [08:11] but hey if it makes you feel better, inotify has been pretty solid this cycle. :D [08:12] Oh, wow. My laptop might actually show up on my doorstep tomorrow. Finally. [08:12] :) [08:13] OHHH now it works === marilize [~marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:16] infinity: wotcha get? [08:16] damn it, the cursor generation has defeated me for today. [08:17] hmmm, since I spoiled my cool points on fabbione, daniels, may I trouble you for a question? [08:17] go nuts [08:18] this zach rusin thing? [08:18] exa? [08:18] yeah [08:19] worth it (will it be in breezy?) or are we waiting for Xegl? [08:19] exa is more than worth it. you can't do some of the cool tricks you can do with gl (e.g. desktop-on-a-cube), but it makes most other uses of composite very performant. [08:19] man, I don't even know if that's a right question. [08:20] it'll be in breezy for radeon and i810 at least [08:20] oh, and sis [08:20] So, is it bling for breezy? or ... ? [08:20] bling-for-breezy, but not by default [08:20] good good. [08:20] in any case, I need to go clean up; got a landlord's inspection tomorrow. blah. [08:21] daniels: get a haircut, and maybe a new shirt. [08:21] :) === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:23] whiprush: hah. nah, this is in the house that I'm moving out of, but others are staying on, so I have to make it all slick and shiny. [08:23] i look presentable whereever I go, so houses that *I* inspect aren't a worry :P [08:23] good plan === zenrox [~zenrox@71.115.200.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:32] pitti: morning :) [08:32] Morning [08:33] ivoks: good luck for your exam! [08:34]