[12:00] <ateves> bddebian: yes, but it crashes with no other partition mounted
[12:00] <bddebian> ateves: Are they fat partitions or ntfs?
[12:00] <ateves> ntfs
[12:00] <dszabo_> sudo doesn't work
[12:00] <hyapadi> hellow, I follow the nvidia driver installation in http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver but i can't see the logo during the login. why?
[12:00] <tiglionabbit> dszabo_: yes it does, you must be using it wrong =P
[12:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> when i try to delete my storage folder it gives me this error
[12:01] <bddebian> ateves: Eeks.  I dunno on that one. :-(
[12:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shane@FoamY:/storage/shane$ sudo rm -r STORAGE
[12:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> rm: cannot remove `STORAGE': Read-only file system
[12:01] <ateves> bddebian: well, you cannot have everything ;)
[12:01] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: your computer seems pretty adamant in saying that partition is read only
[12:01] <dszabo_> how do I use it? i'm kinda new at this whole thing
[12:01] <tiglionabbit> !sudo
[12:01] <ubotu> methinks sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:01] <rasputnik> ChurcH_of_FoamY: does 'mount' show it as readonly?
[12:01] <dszabo_> ok
[12:01] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: mount it writeable
[12:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea how to smak it around till it says otherwize
[12:01] <nalioth> chrissturm: if you feel like mucking about, you can start changing permissions on binaries
[12:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how to mount it wrightable?
[12:01] <SysFail> tiglionabbit, just change it from firefox to 1.0.4 ?
[12:01] <ernstp> Seveas, ah, more people anyway.
[12:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> /dev/hdb1 on /storage type ext3 (rw)
[12:02] <Bellatorix> hey does any one know any thing about pdas?
[12:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is what mount says
[12:02] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: use the -w flag
[12:02] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: That looks read-write to me
[12:02] <cmatheson> Bellatorix: well ya gotcher palm, yer ipaq, and ...
[12:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k
[12:02] <pyro_chaos> does synaptic do all linux programs like gentoo's portage tree or just what programs it chooses
[12:02] <SysFail> i love how detailed these instructions are on the webpage
[12:02] <bddebian> Bellatorix: Enough to know that they stink :-)
[12:02] <tiglionabbit> SysFail: just change it from 1.0.2 to 1.0.4
[12:02] <shadeofgrey> has anybody ever installed ubuntu on an alienware l;aptop before?
[12:02] <seth_k> pyro_chaos: it's limited to what's in the repositories
[12:03] <nalioth> pyro_chaos: apt-get by default installs binarys
[12:03] <bddebian> pyro_chaos: I dunno about portage but synaptic will install any packages in the repositories you have defined
[12:03] <freddy_> "Amd sues Intel for monopoly"
[12:03] <Seveas> pyro_chaos, apt-get has a gazillion of packages
[12:03] <nalioth> pyro_chaos: apt-get CAN install from source (like portage)
[12:03] <Seveas> pyro_chaos, if you miss something in apt, request it :)
[12:03] <pyro_chaos> will synaptic install apt-get?
[12:04] <Discipulus> pyro_chaos, synaptic is a front end to apt-get
[12:04] <goldfish> lol
[12:04] <rasputnik> ChurcH_of_FoamY: something is hosed there...
[12:04] <pyro_chaos> or is it prebuilt into it
[12:04] <pyro_chaos> o lol
[12:04] <acid2> hello
[12:04] <freddy_> isnt synaptic apt-get?
[12:04] <pyro_chaos> why dont i see allota program in snaptic
[12:04] <freddy_> oh..a bit slow
[12:04] <tiglionabbit> freddy_: yes, a frontend for it
[12:04] <freddy_> hehe
[12:04] <acid2> Is there any type of services manager like in Fedora/...Windows ?
[12:04] <Seveas> pyro_chaos, synaptic and apt-get are both frontends to apt and dpkg
[12:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea big time
[12:04] <freddy_> tiglionabbit heya!
[12:04] <tiglionabbit> hihi freddy_
[12:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but if i lose this data i lose my life
[12:04] <nalioths_dog> pyro_chaos: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:04] <Seveas> acid2, there is BUM, look at the ubuntuforums
[12:04] <pyro_chaos> im trying to install kismet and i dont see it in  synaptic
[12:04] <freddy_> tiglionabbit what shakes?
[12:04] <nalioths_dog> pyro_chaos: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:04] <rasputnik> ChurcH_of_FoamY: is it out of space?
[12:04] <Seveas> pyro_chaos, loook at what the dog said :)
[12:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> all my family pics memors and games are in that file
[12:04] <pyro_chaos> alright thnx
[12:05] <Seveas> you need to enable universe
[12:05] <tiglionabbit> freddy_: nalioth's dog's tail?
[12:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no all the information was on that drive originally
[12:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just changed the partition
[12:05] <acid2> Seveas, looks good
[12:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so everything should fit again
[12:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> afaik
[12:05] <rasputnik> ChurcH_of_FoamY: check with 'df -k'
[12:06] <freddy_> tiglionabbit lol
[12:06] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: did i tell you about that neat little program 'discus'?
[12:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no
[12:06] <delire> perhaps time to use dd
[12:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what the hell how can the drive be 40% full?
[12:06] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: its 'du' for lazy humans, ya ought to check it out (its a terminal proggy)
[12:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> are you implying that i'm lazy?
[12:07] <ompaul> when is the next colony out? I ask as I have aquired a machine that needs an operating system and well you can see where this is going :)
[12:07] <tiglionabbit> freddy_: just been hanging around here constantly, and looking around the forums and wiki
[12:07] <tiglionabbit> freddy_: I did figure out how to get several media players playing sound at the same time
[12:07] <dszabo_> ok, i have a .deb package on my desktop and when I do sudo -i, the directory is the root folder, and I don't have write access to the root folder, so how do I install the package with dpkg --install?
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> dszabo_: uh...   you'll want to go to /home/$user/Desktop
[12:08] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: no i'm not, but everyone can use a time-saver
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> dszabo_: where $user is your username
[12:08] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: du -csxh will give you the amount, in human readable output, of the space a directory (and subdirs) occupies.
[12:08] <freddy_> tiglionabbit damn shouldnt that be like default?
[12:08] <dszabo_> ok
[12:08] <nalioth> dszabo_: preface the command with "sudo"
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> freddy_: nope, hoary has sound issues.  I followed this thing on the forums though and it worked out okay
[12:09] <tiglionabbit> !sound
[12:09] <ubotu> well, sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[12:09] <mg> hi. dumb question ... host do i make entries in /etc/hosts get noticed? i want to override DNS for a while to test a site
[12:09] <Discipulus> dszabo_, or you could do 'sudo -s' in your home directory and type 'cd Desktop/' followed by 'dpkg --install <package>.deb'
[12:09] <tiglionabbit> freddy_: I think it messed up the sound for xmame though, a little
[12:09] <rasputnik> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I think the disk space is unlikely to be an issue to be honest. I'd be inclined to unmount and remount it, see if that makes any difference
[12:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> /dev/hdb1             38464340  14322096  22188340  40% /storage
[12:09] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: its not this? >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[12:09] <rasputnik> mg: they should be noticed anyway
[12:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but i just formated it >.<
[12:09] <vladuz976> can anyone help me with my xorg.conf file? my screen resolution is finally as desired but when i launch applications from the terminal as this one now (xchat) they are huge almost fill the entire screen. anyone know what might be wrong?
[12:09] <nalioth> mg: put then in the hosts file and save it
[12:09] <dszabo_> root@DSZABO:~ # /home/dszabo/Desktop/ dpkg --install 865patch_0.2-3_i386.deb
[12:09] <dszabo_> -bash: /home/dszabo/Desktop/: is a directory
[12:09] <dszabo_> root@DSZABO:~ #
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: that one didn't seem to apply to me at all
[12:10] <albacker> guys, how do you tar.gz a folder ??  tgz folder/ somename.tar.gz  ??
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: and that's just to get sound working period, not have multiple players play at the same time
[12:10] <nalioth> vladuz976: sounds like your resolution is NOT as desired
[12:10] <vladuz976> nalioth, lol yeah maybe not
[12:10] <rasputnik> albacker: tar zcvf foo.tgz /path/to/folder/
[12:10] <Discipulus> dszabo_, type 'cd /home/dszabo/Desktop'
[12:10] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: ah, you sent the fancy stuff into play.. ..
[12:10] <dszabo_> ok i'll try that now...
[12:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i unmounted it and remounted it a hundred times are so
[12:10] <vladuz976> nalioth, the desktop itself looks good but the applications don't
[12:10] <Discipulus> dszabo_, FOLLOWED by 'dpkg --install 865patch_0.2-3_i386.deb'
[12:11] <nalioth> vladuz976: methinks you need to hit ctrl-alt-+ and see what you get
[12:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and it still insists on screwing with me
[12:11] <vladuz976> nalioth, i'll try
[12:11] <dszabo_> ahhhhhh it works, thatnk!
[12:11] <rasputnik> ChurcH_of_FoamY: in that case, get the files off it and reformat
[12:11] <freddy_> nalioth heya!
[12:11] <dszabo_> thanks*
[12:11] <ubuntu__> hey
[12:11] <nalioth> howdy, freddy
[12:11] <ubuntu__> could i get some help on something
[12:11] <freddy_> nalioth how are ya?
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: unfortunately, that method on the forums requires you to switch every player to use alsa, and I can't figure out how to get some of them to do it right
[12:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm trying to put the files on it! >.<
[12:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just formated it
[12:11] <Discipulus> dszabo_, np
[12:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> like 2 days ago
[12:12] <balistic22> yo
[12:12] <nalioth> freddy_: ok, and you?
[12:12] <balistic22> CAn i get some help on something
[12:12] <Seveas> balistic22, read the topic
[12:12] <sve> i koi ima ubuntu? :)
[12:12] <Seveas> just ask
[12:12] <vladuz976> nalioth, when i change it to a bigger one so that i can read the applications like this one xchat. blow up the rest behaves normally
[12:12] <nalioth> balistic22: you have to ask us the question
[12:12] <balistic22> Does anyone know how to watch wmv's on Firefox let alone Linux?
[12:13] <nalioth> vladuz976: HUH?
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> balistic22: yes
[12:13] <delire> balistic22: you need the w32codecs
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> !w32codecs
[12:13] <Seveas> balistic22, install mplayer-plugin and w32codecs
[12:13] <ubotu> hmm... w32codecs is codecs needed to play some proprietary formats.  Add a backports mirror to download them http://backports.ubuntuforums.org
[12:13] <nalioth> balistic22: wmv3 is out of our range in linux, i believe
[12:13] <sve> does anyone knows how to get a TV tuner working on Ubuntu box?
[12:13] <delire> balistic22: they are not shipped with ubuntu as they are proprietary and non-free
[12:13] <balistic22> wait so all i need to do is download the plugin and codecs
[12:13] <Seveas> balistic22, indeed
[12:13] <delire> s/and/and thus/
[12:13] <balistic22> what if i was runnin red hat
[12:13] <freddy_> i wonder if i can buy cedega from my country
[12:13] <nalioths_dog> balistic22: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> balistic22: steps: add a backports mirror.  Install mplayer-586 or whatever build you need, and then mozilla-mplayer
[12:13] <Seveas> balistic22, then you would have a MUCh bigger problem :)
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> and w32codecs
[12:14] <freddy_> nalioth really cool, working on some stuff
[12:14] <vladuz976> nalioth, yeah i don't know what's wrong reka fixed up my xorg.conf for me yesterday, so icould finally get a higher resolution but now i have this problem
[12:14] <freddy_> but i really would like to try cedega first before buying it....isnt there like a trial?
[12:14] <nalioth> vladuz976: did you ctrl-alt-+ and get it to change?
[12:14] <balistic22> ok so if im running red hat all i need to do is download the mplayer and then the w32 codecs is this correct?
[12:14] <Seveas> freddy_, there is cvscedega
[12:14] <Seveas> it's free
[12:14] <tiglionabbit> freddy_: it's subscription.  So if by trial you mean try it for 5 bucks, go ahead
[12:14] <vladuz976> nalioth, yeah it changes but only to worse
[12:14] <nalioth> balistic22: if you are running redhat, you need more help then we can provide .. .. ..
[12:15] <SysFail> heh
[12:15] <Seveas> balistic22, this isn't #redhat, we can't help you with red hat
[12:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok is there a howto on putting in and setting up a hard drive on your system
[12:15] <nalioth> vladuz976: so hit it again, (increase the resolution)
[12:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> cause i must have messed up when i did it
[12:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and it's really pissing me off
[12:15] <vladuz976> nalioth, i did but then i can't read the irc anymore coz it fills the screen
[12:15] <balistic22> do you know where i can find a redhat chat?
[12:15] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what i normally do is attach the drive, run 'fdisk -l
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I'm really sorry we can't help you with this.  Must really suck, huh?
[12:16] <pdg> Hello everyone... Is anyone having problems installing nvidia-glx-dev? It gives me an MD5 checksum error...
[12:16] <Seveas> #redhat
[12:16] <cmatheson> ChurcH_of_FoamY: man fdisk ; man mke2fs ?
[12:16] <balistic22> i just have a problem because i dont know which distro is better
[12:16] <Seveas> pdg, try apt-get clean and retry
[12:16] <nalioth> vladuz976: i'm puzzled, it seems you are making the resolution smaller if the xchat screen keeps enlarging
[12:16] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: then format it with cfdisk, whack on a filesystem, edit /etc/fstab and then mount it.
[12:16] <Seveas> balistic22, Ubuntu is :)
[12:16] <nalioth> balistic22: have you ever heard the term "red hat hell"?
[12:16] <Seveas> rpm hell
[12:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i did it the first time with qtparted
[12:16] <tiglionabbit> pdg: make sure your rpositories are correct, and refresh synaptic
[12:17] <Seveas> plus red hat likes being incompatible with all others
[12:17] <vladuz976> nalioth, yes, my desktop itself looks fine, like the panel and the terminal is ok all the gnome stuff looks ok, the only thing is other applications get messed up they are still low resolution
[12:17] <JoeyrS> hi
[12:17] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: i don't know sorry. is it a separate drive or just a partition on an existing drive?
[12:17] <balistic22> one more question
[12:17] <ompaul> Seveas, it even challanges itself at times :)
[12:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> seperate drive
[12:17] <balistic22> can ubuntu run kde?
[12:18] <balistic22> instead of gnome
[12:18] <Seveas> balistic22, of course :)
[12:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes it's called kubuntu
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> balistic22: yes.  get kubuntu, or install ubuntu and get kubuntu-desktop package
[12:18] <dszabo_> ok, my resolution is 640X480, I can't get it to go higher, and the resolution wiki page didn't help, my graphics card is the Intel 845G
[12:18] <pdg> Seveas, tiglionabbit: I've refreshed and cleaned it several times... but what's the correct repository for nvidia-glx-dev anyway?
[12:18] <splinta> breezy live i386 colony-2 cannot start x
[12:18] <Seveas> if you install Kubuntu (Ubuntu with a different set of defaults) you will eveb get KDE by default
[12:18] <ompaul> balistic22, you can do that, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:18] <seth_k> dszabo_: there is a fix for this
[12:18] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: did you buy a hard disk and attempt to format this, or did you create a partition on an existing drive
[12:18] <dszabo_> where?
[12:18] <rasputnik> how do I get the zlib fix ?
[12:18] <balistic22> oh ok
[12:18] <seth_k> dszabo_: what monitor do you have? You will need to edit xorg.conf
[12:18] <nalioth> balistic22: ubuntu is linux, you can run what you like
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> pdg: restricted
[12:19] <dszabo_> MAG Innovision
[12:19] <balistic22> but the thing is i dont like repositories
[12:19] <JoeyrS> someone can help me? i cannot install gstreamer plugins: http://phpfi.com/68647
[12:19] <balistic22> they work differentlyu then rpms
[12:19] <seth_k> dszabo_: know a model number?
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> balistic22: they make things much much easier
[12:19] <ompaul> balistic22, they work better than :)
[12:19] <dszabo_> its 771 FS
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> balistic22: you can always use dpkg instead though
[12:19] <balistic22> whats that?
[12:19] <nalioth> dszabo_: if seth_k dosnt help you, ask me
[12:19] <dszabo_> ok
[12:19] <nameless1> can someone tell me if there is a programer similar to netlimiter for linux that will show me what programs are using bandwidth and how much, and also let me limit how much bandwidth programs can use?
[12:19] <vladuz976> does anyone else in here know much about the resolution problem with ubuntu?
[12:19] <splinta> breezy live i386 colony-2 cannot start x tried nv and vesa driver options...any ideas ?
[12:20] <seth_k> splinta: nobody can get it to start, probably out of luck for now
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> balistic22: dpkg is like rpm for debian.  But once you start using apt with synaptic, you'll love it, I promise
[12:20] <delire> splinta: don't use breezy until it's released ;)?
[12:20] <nalioth> vladuz976: yes i do
[12:20] <balistic22> ohh sounds great =)
[12:20] <nalioth> vladuz976: we have not reached the end of my knowledge
[12:20] <rasputnik>  anyone else got the latest security fix for zlib? apt-get update/upgrade isn't showing it
[12:20] <vladuz976> nalioth, you think you can look at my file?
[12:20] <seth_k> dszabo_: do you know the model number of your monitor?
[12:20] <balistic22> does the kde for unbuntu work better?
[12:20] <dszabo_> 771FS
[12:20] <vladuz976> nalioth, i am glad
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> balistic22: work better than what/
[12:20] <nalioth> vladuz976: paste your xorg.conf to a pastebin
[12:21] <bojangles> delire, well there is not a lot that works on breezy right now...because of so many fundamental changes.
[12:21] <balistic22> then red hats kde
[12:21] <cmatheson> balistic22: it's all the same stinkin' crap
[12:21] <pdg> tiglionabbit: I have the hoary, hoary-updates and hoary-security branches of restricted. Should that be enough?
[12:21] <balistic22> oh ok
[12:21] <virgule> balistic22: I do think so..
[12:21] <vladuz976> nalioth, ok wait
[12:21] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[12:21] <ubotu> sources is, like, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:21] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[12:21] <ubotu> methinks repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:21] <ompaul> balistic22, depends on your hardware and your values of $work_better
[12:21] <nalioth> balistic22: it is linux, kde, gnome, blackbox, fluxbox, whatever
[12:21] <bojangles> delire, even X does not work right...but the basics are being better thought out
[12:21] <delire> bojangles: it will be like that until October i'd imagine
[12:21] <vladuz976> nalioth, kinda hard with this messed up resolution to see things
[12:21] <splinta> seth_k: thats alright then...thought it was just me...someone said the nvidia dric=vers were porked but that vesa would work...no joy
[12:21] <balistic22> whats blackbox fluxbox
[12:21] <tiglionabbit> porked?
[12:22] <tiglionabbit> !nvidia
[12:22] <ubotu> well, nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:22] <nalioth> balistic22: they are desktop managers
[12:22] <delire> anyone know if breezy will use ifplugd? (great for laptop users)
[12:22] <cmatheson> balistic22: don't forget openbox, they're more lightweight window managers
[12:22] <delire> cmatheson: a great wm..
[12:22] <cmatheson> delire: :)
[12:22] <delire> cmatheson: though my favourite of the last year is http://wmi.modprobe.de
[12:22] <LokeDK> If I install kde, will it touch gnome somehow?
[12:23] <cmatheson> delire: i'll have to check that out~one of my friends was talking about it, but i havent' taken it for a spin yet
[12:23] <tiglionabbit> LokeDK: no.  It may add some programs to your menus though
[12:23] <delire> cmatheson: but for most purposes, there is little that beats openbox. it served me well for two years and i still use it.
[12:23] <nalioth> LokeDK: only if you call it
[12:23] <LokeDK> oh okay.. how large is kde? I mean size..
[12:23] <rasputnik> woo! got it, sweet
[12:23] <cmatheson> delire: yeah, i used windowmaker a few years ago, tried out gnome for about a month, but now i'm on openbox and i think i'm here to stay
[12:23] <rasputnik> LokeDK: fuckin hewge.
[12:24] <delire> cmatheson: understandable. openbox was a happy romance. very few reasons to leave.
[12:24] <tiglionabbit> LokeDK: to find out what the difference will be, say this "sudo apt-get -s install kubuntu-desktop"  -- that'll simulate an install and it'll tell you the size it's gonna take to add it
[12:24] <cmatheson> delire: i do like the idea of vi-like control over a window-manager though
[12:24] <LokeDK> oh okay.. thx
[12:25] <vladuz976> nalioth, http://rafb.net/paste/results/G5chb994.html
[12:25] <rasputnik> cmatheson: if you want a keyboard friendly wm, try ratpoison, it's awesome
[12:25] <fortysixand2> hello
[12:25] <tiglionabbit> lol ratpoison, what a name
[12:25] <cmatheson> haha
[12:25] <rasputnik> tiglionabbit: kills your mouse, see? ratpoison.sf.net
[12:25] <tiglionabbit> cool.  I think I'll install it
[12:26] <fortysixand2> I have a question regarding the linux-wlan-ng drivers
[12:26] <rasputnik> if you ever used screen on a terminal, it's like that, but for x
[12:26] <tiglionabbit> rasputnik: plays nice with xnest?
[12:26] <fortysixand2> I tried to install them, and now I want to go back to the orinoco, but it keeps trying to load prism2_cs when I insert the card
[12:26] <delire> cmatheson: i'm loving wmii (version 2). too much to talk about really, but things like creating saving whole window configuration states and being able to dynamically roll them out when required. 'bare_mode' for locking you into the keybinds/macro's for the given application/client and ignoring the wm. 'tiled_mode' for maximum use of desktop real estate. lovely.
[12:26] <bionic> when making the kernel with make kpkg, where does the .deb file store? I cant find it in the current dir, and not in /usr/src/ .. anyone please?
[12:27] <fortysixand2> how can I tell it to load the old ones instead?
[12:27] <tiglionabbit> aw man, it doesn't add its entry to sessions.  *tweaks*
[12:27] <ilpum> Is there a command to list all programs available? I just can't find out the command to start CMU Sphinx
[12:27] <rasputnik> tiglionabbit: yeah, you need that for things like gimp really. give gimp its own server.
[12:27] <vladuz976> nalioth, i'll reconnect from the laptop
[12:27] <delire> cmatheson: http://selectparks.net/julian/wmi for a few screenies.
[12:27] <delire> anyway, it's late.
[12:27] <delire> bye all
[12:28] <acid2> hey - im about to go to bed and live my ubuntu on
[12:28] <tiglionabbit> ilpum: use apropos to search through programs.  All your programs should be in directories listed in the $PATH variable
[12:28] <cmatheson> dell500: thanks
[12:28] <acid2> is there anyway to 'lock' the system?
[12:28] <tiglionabbit> acid2: yes
[12:28] <acid2> or something I should do before i go sleepy?
[12:28] <rasputnik> acid2: mount two ntfs systems ? hahaha
[12:28] <tiglionabbit> acid2: system -> lock screen
[12:28] <acid2> thats all?
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> acid2: yeah, that'll make people have to type in your password to use it again.  Wont lock up net connections though..
[12:29] <acid2> i dont have ssh or vnc.. so i should be ok?
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> yeah
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> dude just use it and see what it does
[12:29] <acid2> coo
[12:29] <acid2> hehe
[12:29] <rasputnik> acid2: if someone breaks into your room they'll steal the pc, not sit there surfing
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> rofl
[12:29] <acid2> xD
[12:29] <acid2> I was meaning more remote protection
[12:30] <nalioth> vladuz976: do you HAVE to have nvidia drivers (for acceleration or whatever)?
[12:30] <vladuz976> nalioth, no not really
[12:30] <fortysixand2> I uninstalled the ubuntu package, but it still tries to load prism2_cs
[12:30] <kbrooks> just a problem.
[12:30] <rasputnik> acid2: don't worry about that, remote access is a good thing. just have passwords that aren't stupid.
[12:30] <acid2> well, gnite then!
[12:30] <kbrooks> i tried to ......
[12:30] <acid2> hehe
[12:30] <kbrooks> um
[12:31] <kbrooks> i tried to en`able nvidia and restart X
[12:31] <nalioth> vladuz976: then i'd suggest you back up the xorg.conf you have now, and run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and choose the VESA driver and the resolutions you want to run
[12:31] <kbrooks> but it says
[12:31] <ilpum> tiglionabbit: I doesn't find anything under "sphinx"
[12:31] <ChurcH> i'm trying to copy infor the the hard drive one last time
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> sphinx?  what?
[12:31] <kbrooks> but X says that no screens were found
[12:32] <kbrooks> nalioth, ping
[12:32] <ChurcH> and if it doesent work can someone please walk me through the proccess of seting up a new hard drive?
[12:32] <kbrooks> i tried to en`able nvidia and restart X
[12:32] <kbrooks> but X says that no screens were found
[12:32] <nalioth> kbrooks: WTF is "ping"?
[12:32] <kbrooks> and nvidia reports an API error
[12:32] <kbrooks> nalioth, it means I want your attention
[12:32] <rasputnik> ChurcH: parted is good.
[12:32] <vladuz976> nalioth, for when it asks select desired x servere driver i pic nv?
[12:32] <nalioth> kbrooks: see what i just told vladuz976 above
[12:32] <Albaraha> Small fonts aren't displayed in firefox till I increase the fonts size. Any hint?
[12:33] <virgule> tesdt
[12:33] <vladuz976> nalioth, oh vesa
[12:33] <nalioth> vladuz976: no, choose VESA for the driver
[12:33] <rasputnik> nalioth: he's checking you haven't fallen asleep at the keyboard
[12:33] <ChurcH> i know it is but i want to do this wright the data is to important to lose
[12:33] <nalioth> rasputnik: <snooooorrrr>
[12:33] <rasputnik> nalioth: you're supposed to go 'pong', or 'get bent' or something
[12:33] <kbrooks> nalioth, i did the configuration and chose nvidia
[12:33] <vladuz976> nalioth, can i quit the configureation after that i don't really know about the rest it asks
[12:33] <kbrooks> nalioth, before restarting
[12:34] <virgule> huh.. call me newbie but how do I put a line with my name at first.. like I an action-descriptive thing... hmm?
[12:34] <rasputnik> ChurcH: in that case take a break. nothing kills a pc faster than impatience.
[12:34] <virgule> virgule wonders..
[12:34] <kbrooks> virgule, use /me
[12:34] <fortysixand2> anyone here familiar with the linux-wlan-ng drivers?
[12:34] <nalioth> vladuz976: choose the default answers, paying attention when it gets to the resolutions you want
[12:34] <ChurcH> i'm only impatant cause i'm getting point2play tonught and have no room for it >.<
[12:35] <nalioth> kbrooks: if you're having video trouble and want productivity over acceleration, read what i've been discussing with vladuz976 and choose VESA also
[12:35] <vladuz976> nalioth, for the amount of memory for my video card the line is blank i don't know if i can just pass by
[12:35] <nalioth> vladuz976: how much mem do you have in it?
[12:35] <vladuz976> 64MB
[12:35] <vladuz976> but in kb?
[12:35] <kbrooks> nalioth, um, no. why should i choose vesa?
[12:35] <ChurcH> how much memory do you have in that card?
[12:36] <jseattle> nalioth, do you still need me to run you around Houston tomorrow?
[12:36] <nalioth> vladuz976: 64 x 1024
[12:36] <rasputnik> how do I add a repo as 'trusted'? apt whinges at me everytime I get something from universe
[12:36] <kbrooks> nalioth, i dont understand
[12:36] <ChurcH> and i'll tell you waht to put as the value in that line
[12:36] <nalioth> jseattle: i no, but you can accompany me if i do go
[12:36] <rasputnik> !repo
[12:36] <ubotu> I don't know, rasputnik
[12:36] <kbrooks> rasputnik, uh
[12:36] <nalioth> kbrooks: is your nvidia driver working?
[12:36] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[12:36] <ubotu> repositories is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:36] <jseattle> ok, i just woke up and went to KFC on Southmore and was wondering
[12:37] <vladuz976> nalioth, kernel framebuffer device interface. what's that?
[12:37] <kbrooks> nalioth, no. no screens found and nvidia api error
[12:37] <jseattle> am having a problem with 77502 post office
[12:37] <rasputnik> tiglionabbit: cheers
[12:37] <wildtangent> another n00b question, i just dist-upgraded to breezy on my test box...but it looks the same, how do i tell if it actually worked?
[12:37] <nalioth> jseattle: hopefully, i will be going tomorrow on the errands
[12:37] <nalioth> vladuz976: just take the default answers
[12:37] <tiglionabbit> hehe, n00b question about breezy
[12:38] <nalioth> kbrooks: you and vladuz976 are doing the same thing, please read what i've been advising him
[12:38] <jseattle> ok, i will be driving all night until 6:00 AM and will listen, but don't use 832-816 number
[12:38] <kbrooks> wildtangent, dont use breezy
[12:38] <unome> hello fellow ubuntunians!
[12:38] <nalioth> Jeezis: np
[12:38] <tiglionabbit> lol, I knew someone would say that
[12:38] <nalioth> shit
[12:38] <nalioth> jseattle: np
[12:38] <kbrooks> nalioth, im using nv
[12:38] <nalioth> kbrooks: and nv isnt working
[12:38] <lydon> question--I have a wireless card in my laptop (eth1) that comes up as Deactivated everytime I reboot, any ideas how I can have this activated on startup?
[12:38] <nalioth> kbrooks: use VESA
[12:38] <jseattle> you know my thoughts on srr (work 4 free)!
[12:38] <kbrooks> nalioth, no no
[12:38] <kbrooks> not nvidia
[12:38] <wildtangent> i used it a while back, worked fine until xorg broke, tried it again today. i was able to confirm it was actually breezy before, but i cant remember how i did that now
[12:38] <kbrooks> NV
[12:39] <kbrooks> nalioth, cant u fricking understand
[12:39] <mwe> lydon can you bring it up manually?
[12:39] <jseattle> i am fixing to eat and bathe, but will stay online here if you have mssg to type or whatever
[12:39] <wildtangent> im not a linux n00b, ive been using it for months, and im no expert, but im not a n00b either
[12:39] <kbrooks> the X driver!
[12:39] <jseattle> pet the dirty dog for me
[12:39] <kbrooks> wildtangent, /cat /etc/issue
[12:39] <kbrooks> er
[12:39] <jseattle> Callahan is in hospital again
[12:39] <jseattle> surgery
[12:39] <kbrooks> s/\///
[12:40] <vladuz976> nalioth, ok now it asks for the monitor video modes, but the numbers seems kinda unfamiliar, i have ,1920x1440 and 1856x1392 and 1792x1344 and 1680x1050 and 1600x1200 and 1440x900
[12:40] <nalioth> jseattle: i heard
[12:40] <lydon> mwe: yes, if I go into Administration > Networking and activate it from there, it works fine
[12:40] <jseattle> he is a filthy owner
[12:40] <vladuz976> sorry for the lenght
[12:40] <kbrooks> jseattle, why dont you pm?
[12:40] <jseattle> he should be okay by Friday
[12:40] <nalioth> vladuz976: pick 1024x768, 800x600  to be safe
[12:40] <wildtangent> so...how can i tell if i actually have breezy?
[12:40] <jseattle> kbrooks, i dont know how, nalioth is teaching me, we both live and work at same place in Houston
[12:40] <kbrooks> wildtangent, cat /etc/issue
[12:41] <jseattle> am new to this kbrooks
[12:41] <vladuz976> nalioth, if it was offered, only the ones i wrote above are offered
[12:41] <mwe> lydon, is it configured in /etc/network/interfaces? if so make sure the file has auto eth1 in it
[12:41] <kbrooks> jseattle, /query
[12:41] <nalioth> jseattle: its easy   at your prompt, type /msg nalioth <msg blah blah>
[12:41] <wildtangent> well thats wierd...still hoary
[12:41] <kbrooks> nalioth, /query is better
[12:41] <kbrooks> ;)
[12:41] <nalioth> vladuz976: did you scroll down?
[12:41] <jseattle> ok cool
[12:41] <BalisticBiker22> whats the difference between RHEL and RH
[12:41] <jseattle> i am going to eat now, ya'll stand by will be back in 30 mins
[12:42] <nalioth> kbrooks: do you want to see a gui?
[12:42] <vladuz976> nalioth, oh no sorry
[12:42] <kbrooks> nalioth, uh, yes
[12:42] <sobersabre> how can i control which image splashy uses and at which res ?
[12:42] <nalioth> kbrooks: if you are using the "nv" driver NOW, it isnt working too well
[12:42] <kbrooks> nalioth, i want to use "nvidia"
[12:43] <vladuz976> nalioth, now just restart X?
[12:43] <ilpum_> I am still there. XD
[12:43] <nalioth> kbrooks: how many puters do you have in front of you?
[12:43] <kbrooks> 1
[12:43] <nalioth> vladuz976: yes
[12:43] <lydon> mwe: this is what is says (I took out the essid and key)iface eth1 inet dhcp
[12:43] <lydon>         # wireless-* options are implemented by the wireless-tools package
[12:43] <lydon>         wireless-mode managed
[12:43] <lydon>         wireless-essid
[12:43] <lydon>         wireless-key1
[12:43] <lydon> auto eth1
[12:43] <nalioth> kbrooks: would you rather see a gui so you can use firefox/xchat or whatever and attempt to find a solutin of why your NV makes blank screens?
[12:44] <kbrooks> nalioth, i think you are confused
[12:44] <kbrooks> nalioth, wen i say nv, i dont mean nvidia
[12:44] <kbrooks> just nv
[12:44] <hkdev> just wondering if any one use any tools to auto config your network interfaces, i.e. wifi?
[12:44] <sobersabre> hkdev, yes...
[12:44] <sobersabre> brains
[12:45] <nalioth> kbrooks: i don't know the diff tween them, but VESA will get you a gui
[12:45] <rasputnik> lydon: that should be 'wireless-essid YOURNETNAME'
[12:45] <sobersabre> i'm sure you have enough
[12:45] <vladuz976> nalioth, it works fine i can choose different resolution but when i launch let's say xine or mplayer they are huge
[12:45] <kbrooks> nalioth, you sure?
[12:45] <Tsunamii> when you install something, where is the default directly where you can execute it?
[12:45] <LokeDK> I'm trying to use my flashcard for my mp3-player, the filesystem is FAT but it seems that it can't meassure the size .. so every time I transfer something it says not enough disc space.. what can I do?
[12:45] <nalioth> vladuz976: you have probably resized them during the previous adventures, no telling
[12:45] <kbrooks> Tsunamii, in the PATH
[12:45] <lydon> rasputnik: it does, I deleted it
[12:45] <Tsunamii> ?
[12:45] <nalioth> kbrooks: VESA will drive a dead dog
[12:46] <rasputnik> lydon: ah ok
[12:46] <hkdev> i'm manually editing my /etc/network/interfaces file every time i'm switching network. which tool do you use to switch?
[12:46] <mrd`> Anyone else having problems with linux-image-2.6.12-3-k7?  Whenever I boot it, top shows 80+% of my CPU time being used and powernowd steps up my processor to full speed, but no apps actually seem to be using anywhere near that much CPU time.  linux-image-2.6.12-2-k7 works fine, however.
[12:46] <Tsunamii> kbrooks, I installed it via Snaptics
[12:46] <mwe> lydon, doesn't the file contain a line that starts with iface eth1 ?
[12:46] <vladuz976> nalioth, possible can i some how resize them again or reinstall?
[12:46] <kbrooks> nalioth, got ya
[12:46] <nalioth> vladuz976: move your mouse to the top corner (not the arrow) and resize, then drag the window up til you can drag some more
[12:47] <vladuz976> nalioth, that only changes the size of the window
[12:47] <sobersabre> hkdev, i have 1 network. but: you can write a script that does this:
[12:48] <lydon> mwe: yea, it showed up with my first line up there instead of pasting below it -- iface eth1 inet dhcp
[12:48] <eli_Ubuntu> as anyone seen this error when trying to do apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:48] <eli_Ubuntu> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libc/libcairo/libcairo1_0.3.0-1_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[12:48] <mwe> lydon, then I dont know why it doesnt come up at boot. I'd check the logs
[12:49] <nalioth> vladuz976: can you ctrl-alt-+ to increase the resolution?
[12:49] <lydon> mwe: dumb question.... where are the logs?
[12:49] <mwe> lydon, /var/log
[12:49] <david> does anyone know of a good taskbar i can use for linux?
[12:49] <vladuz976> nalioth, yes
[12:49] <mwe> lydon, /var/log/messages contains it all
[12:49] <nalioth> vladuz976: or system > prefs > screen resolution
[12:49] <sobersabre> hkdev, tries to setup wlan iface, and scans network befre that.
[12:50] <eli_Ubuntu> david: you mean something like gdesklets?
[12:50] <vladuz976> nalioth, yes that works
[12:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i erased the entire partiton and restarted the computer
[12:50] <sobersabre> you can sort networks by signal strength and speed. and choose whatever you want
[12:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> now should i make it an ext3 partition or a fat 32 partition?
[12:50] <david> eli_Ubuntu, i dunno, something that will show my open applications
[12:50] <nalioth> david: gdesklets or superkaramba make nice cpu-hogging dock things
[12:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> with qtparted?
[12:50] <sobersabre> you can also make entries for several netwrks and try each entry until success.
[12:51] <benplaut> hehe.... off to install on someone's laptop :)
[12:51] <eli_Ubuntu> david: then i wouldnt know. i have had no problems with that
[12:52] <zen> hi - quick q - how do i remove all the games installed by ubuntu during installation? is it as simple as using the add/remove programs app?
[12:52] <eli_Ubuntu> is wlan better for wireless use than ath0?
[12:52] <nalioth> zen: use synaptic and sort by section - games
[12:53] <mwe> eli_Ubuntu, the iface name depends on the driver. ipw2200 defaults to wlanX whereas madwifi defaults to athX
[12:53] <lydon> mwe: eth0 is only in there twice... it says eth1: New link status: Connected(0001)
[12:53] <nalioth> vladuz976: so you are sorted now?
[12:53] <nalioth> vladuz976: the pRon now fits the page?
[12:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok now i've made the partition on hdb1 using qtparted now what do i have to do?
[12:53] <flodine> has anyone updated there kernel yet
[12:54] <eli_Ubuntu> there's a new kernel?
[12:54] <nalioth> eli_Ubuntu: you can always compile a new kernel
[12:54] <mwe> lydon, does ifup/ifdown eth1 work? if so /etc/network/interfaces should be ok
[12:54] <eli_Ubuntu> nalioth: oh :)
[12:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i know that i have to create a mountpoint so how do i do that?
[12:54] <parkbench> hey all
[12:54] <drew> hey, can anyone help me download the source for GAIM 1.4.1?  The gaim website only has it up to 1.3.1 but Ubuntu says i'm running 1.4.1.  Any ideas?
[12:55] <vladuz976> nalioth, no still doesn't work
[12:55] <lcharly_TheOne> how can i change the name of mi computer??
[12:55] <parkbench> i got a question about transporting a file from this to linux comp
[12:55] <drew> nvm, i'm an idiot
[12:55] <parkbench> i fear my only option is cd, but you tell me if im missing something
[12:55] <vladuz976> nalioth, i wish i could show you a screenshot somehow
[12:55] <parkbench> it has no internet...i tried a floppy but it failed
[12:55] <seth_k> drew, i was gonna say :P
[12:55] <lydon> mwe: if I type those at the console it gives me a usage screen
[12:55] <nalioth> vladuz976: did you choose your monitor settings during the dpkg process?
[12:55] <parkbench> i tried my external hard drive but whenerver i connect it to the linux box the file disappears
[12:55] <parkbench> for some odd reason
[12:55] <parkbench> i think the only portable way to move it now would be a cd...i dont want to awaste any, but if i ahve to :/
[12:55] <vladuz976> nalioth, yes
[12:55] <zen> nalioth - thanks will try that tonight
[12:55] <benplaut> parkbench: your wifi working?
[12:56] <mwe> lydon, sudo ifdown eth1 doesnt work?
[12:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how to make a mountpoint on a new harddrive?
[12:56] <parkbench> benplaut: no, this file is what i need to make it work
[12:56] <nalioth> zen:?
[12:56] <mwe> lydon, or sudo ifup eth1
[12:56] <lydon> mwe: "couldn't read interfaces file"
[12:56] <zen> nalioth - for the synaptic sort by games tip :D
[12:56] <parkbench> benplaut: or at least i think i might...i worked with bddebian for a while, and got some other thinsg fixed but by now my only option left is to manually compile ndiswrapper
[12:56] <nalioth> vladuz976: and the settings for monitor matched your monitor?
[12:56] <parkbench> and thats the file im trying to move
[12:56] <nalioth> zen: ah, yes, thats the quickest and easiest
[12:57] <mwe> lydon, ok you need to go over /etc/network/interfaces again
[12:57] <slisher> can anyone help me with kino (video editor)?
[12:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[12:57] <lydon> mwe: I'm there
[12:57] <nalioth> slisher: ask your question to the channel
[12:57] <mwe> lydon, paste it somewhere and I'll have a look, the complete file
[12:58] <vladuz976> nalioth, yes that went fine, no problems and my desktop looks awesome except for the  applications, but not even all like firefox is ok and the terminal is ok. seems like only stuff i added with apt-get after install has that low resolution or i don't know how to describe it
[12:58] <nalioth> where can you pastebin a screenshot?
[12:58] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: photo bucket?
[12:58] <aron> how do i make my packages manager multiverse and universe
[12:58] <nalioth> vladuz976: take a screenshot and see the www.photobucket.com
[12:58] <tiglionabbit>  !sources
[12:58] <ubotu> I heard sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:58] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[12:58] <ubotu> repositories is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:59] <tiglionabbit> aron: read those
[12:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth whats the command to make a mountpoint on a new hard drive?
[12:59] <nalioths_dog> damn y'all quick
[12:59] <aron> tiglionabbit, thanks
[12:59] <mwe> lydon http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:59] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what is the HDs address? as in /dev/hd?
[12:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> /dev/hdb1
[01:00] <nomed> hi
[01:00] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you make a folder in your homedir (or wherever you want to mount the HD onto)
[01:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mkdir foamy?
[01:00] <lydon> mwe: okay http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/426 if I did it right
[01:00] <Big_O> ugh >.>
[01:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is that the right command?
[01:00] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what filesystem is it?
[01:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ext3
[01:00] <nomed> is there anyone that could explain why pbuilder doesn't work? pdebuild and then i receive some errors about packages auth.
[01:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i was gonna use fat16 but said screw it
[01:01] <seth_k> nomed, sure
[01:01] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: then you issue "mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /home/foamy
[01:01] <seth_k> nomed, there's a file you need to create
[01:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth thank you so much ^_^
[01:01] <nomed> seth_k, how?
[01:01] <aks> anybody here do an install selecting a location of Canada
[01:01] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: im rusty on my mount stuff, so if it dont work someone else can point out my mistake
[01:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and that will make the dir too?
[01:01] <seth_k> nomed, create a file in /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/apt.conf.d called allow-unauthenticated
[01:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[01:02] <seth_k> nomed: inside this file, put:
[01:02] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: if it does work, we need to add to the fstab
[01:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k
[01:02] <shinitenshi> w000t w000t
[01:02] <shinitenshi> sup guys
[01:02] <seth_k> APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1;
[01:02] <seth_k> nomed: then save and update your base.tgz
[01:02] <shinitenshi> >.<
[01:02] <nalioth> seth_k: would you like to add that to the apt wiki?
[01:03] <nomed> seth_k, i have that file .. and also an updated db .. :/
[01:03] <seth_k> you sure you spelled everything inside right, nomed?
[01:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it says that only root can do that is it ok to sudo that command?
[01:03] <seth_k> I misspelled AllowUnauthenticated first time around :P
[01:03] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: yes
[01:03] <seth_k> nalioth: that's a pbuilder specific issue and is documented on the Pbuilder page of the wiki
[01:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k
[01:03] <tiglionabbit> hey guys.  After doing !sound xmame sounds really scratchy and plays at low framerate.  But everything else works way better.  What do you think could be the problem with xmame?
[01:03] <mwe> lydon, what did ifup eth1 say again?
[01:03] <nomed> well copy and paste from wiki
[01:03] <seth_k> hmm
[01:04] <mwe> lydon, cause I can't spot any errors
[01:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mount: mount point /home/foamy does not exist
[01:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[01:04] <nalioth> seth_k: can regular users find it if they are tired of the (i assume) 'bad gpg messages"?
[01:04] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you need to create that folder
[01:04] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: and make sure it's empty
[01:04] <Matt_Arnold> hello, I'm a new Linux user.
[01:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mkdir /home/foamy?
[01:04] <nalioth> Matt_Arnold: welcome
[01:04] <tiglionabbit> hello Matt_Arnold, I hope you find Ubuntu to be a fun distro
[01:04] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: yes
[01:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k
[01:04] <lydon> mew: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/427
[01:04] <seth_k> welcome Matt_Arnold
[01:04] <shinitenshi> Just ask! ok here goes nothing >.<
[01:05] <Matt_Arnold> I've been trying to install Linux for more than a year and Ubuntu is the first one that worked.
[01:05] <alnr> when i run apt-get install kubuntu-desktop it fails to fetch akregator and several others with md5sum mismatch. i've run apt-get update. any ideas?
[01:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/foamy': Permission denied
[01:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[01:05] <seth_k> congrats
[01:05] <seth_k> nalioth, no. It's only in the dev section
[01:05] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: use sudo
[01:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k
[01:05] <seth_k> nomed: maybe try rebuilding your base.tgz?
[01:05] <nalioth> alnr: some of the repos are having some troubles today
[01:05] <shinitenshi> Umm I wanted to know how to install Micromedia final on wine every time i run it it gives me errors >.<
[01:05] <zen> if i wanted to compile my own kernel in ubuntu, would make menuconfig have the options of the current kernel? and would copying it from /boot be enough to back it up?
[01:05] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: cd into your home directory
[01:05] <nomed> E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes <-- this is the error
[01:06] <Matt_Arnold> I had problems but I have lots of tech friends who helped me. So anyway, I'm just chatting here to say thank you to the Ubuntu community. Thank you!
[01:06] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: now type "mkdir foamy"
[01:06] <seth_k> nalioth, which repos are having issues?
[01:06] <alnr> nalioth: ok thanks, i guess i'll try later
[01:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i think it worked i diden't cd into my home dir though
[01:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just did mkdir home/foamy
[01:06] <seth_k> Matt_Arnold: we're always here if you need help :)
[01:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is that gonna be a problem?
[01:06] <nalioth> seth_k: more than one, i havent been keeping track (its just the us ones, i think)
[01:06] <zen> anyone know?
[01:06] <nomed> but what's wrong with debuild? :/
[01:06] <eternale1> how come i can't change my resolution the only choice is 640 by 480
[01:06] <seth_k> thanks nalioth
[01:06] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: do you have a new "foamy" directory in your home folder?
[01:06] <seth_k> eternale1: do you use an Intel graphics chip?
[01:07] <mwe> lydon, you need to put in your key there wireless-key1 1af0ed substitute for your key
[01:07] <nomed> i've never had problem with it in debian
[01:07] <Razor-X> nalioth
[01:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes
[01:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes i do
[01:07] <zen> guys, does anyone know if i wanted to compile my own kernel in ubuntu, would make menuconfig have the options of the current kernel? and would copying it from /boot be enough to back it up?
[01:07] <Razor-X> what work are you documenting on the wiki for membership?
[01:07] <eternale1> its a old voodoo 3
[01:07] <nalioth> zen: there are wonderful hand-holding walkthroughs on kernel compiling on the web
[01:07] <eternale1> but it did fine with the resolution on the live cd
[01:07] <zen> yeah i know
[01:07] <nalioth> zen: kernel stuff is a little out of the league here
[01:07] <vladuz976> nalioth, http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a285/vladuz976/Screenshot.png
[01:07] <zen> im just talking from my experience with gentoo here, since they are both deb based
[01:07] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: back to your mount command
[01:08] <seth_k> eternale1: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and look for the "Monitor" section
[01:08] <zen> gentoo was easy to do kernel compiles
[01:08] <kbrooks> zen, wrong
[01:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok done i'm trying it now with crossed fingers ^_^
[01:08] <Razor-X> well, portage is compilation in and of itself
[01:08] <seth_k> eternale1: see if you have two lines about HorizRate and VertRefresh
[01:08] <kbrooks> gentoo is not based upondebian
[01:08] <zen> thought it was a debian derivative
[01:08] <lifeless> ope
[01:08] <lydon> mwe: the wireless that I'm on now is unencrypted
[01:08] <lifeless> its a crack derivative
[01:08] <nalioth> eternale1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com has a lot on fixing video resolution
[01:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> god damnit
[01:08] <seth_k> nomed: i'm sorry that I don't have any other suggestions. what's the exact error?
[01:08] <tiglionabbit> !resolution
[01:08] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, resolution is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> access denied what the hell >.<
[01:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i need this data!!!!
[01:09] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: "sudo"
[01:09] <mwe> lydon, then comment the line by putting a # in front of the wireless-key1 line
[01:09] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: patience
[01:09] <lydon> mwe: done
[01:09] <mwe> lydon, then it should work
[01:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm running out of that quite fast
[01:09] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: please try to understand how some of this works.  Read the page on sudo
[01:09] <mwe> lydon, try ifup eth1 now
[01:09] <tiglionabbit> !sudo
[01:09] <ubotu> sudo is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:10] <lydon> mwe: it looks like it worked that time
[01:10] <mwe> lydon, great
[01:10] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: linux doesn't work without patience
[01:10] <eternale1> seth_k: i see monitor section no lines about horizrate and vertrefresh
[01:10] <seth_k> eternale1: what monitor do you have? including model number, please
[01:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i understand  that
[01:10] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: your command may not work again, due to my syntax error
[01:10] <lydon> mwe: so you think it will be activated if I reboot?
[01:10] <mwe> lydon, yes
[01:10] <eternale1> seth_k: sony cpd-e210
[01:11] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: then you issue "mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /home/<your username>/foamy
[01:11] <lydon> mwe: great, thanks for your help... the Ubuntu community is the best
[01:11] <mwe> lydon, np
[01:11] <lydon> I'm going to try it right now... good day all
[01:11] <stisev> hi all
[01:11] <seth_k> eternale1: add these lines:
[01:11] <stisev> how do I remove a directory that has files in it?
[01:12] <seth_k>      HorizSync          30-85
[01:12] <stisev> what's the CLI command for it
[01:12] <seth_k>      VertRefresh        48-120
[01:12] <mwe> stisev, rm -rf
[01:12] <stisev> k
[01:12] <stisev> stand by
[01:12] <nalioth> vladuz976: my goodness you have a large monitor
[01:12] <seth_k> eternale1: then restart X and you should be good
[01:12] <eternale1> under the monitor section correct
[01:12] <eternale1> ?
[01:12] <nomed> seth_k, http://phpfi.com/68655
[01:12] <seth_k> eternale1: that's right
[01:12] <eternale1> ok ty let me try
[01:12] <nalioth> stisev: be careful with that command
[01:12] <nalioth> stisev: once they're gone, they're gone
[01:12] <vladuz976> nalioth, its only 19 inch
[01:12] <stisev> nalioth: NP thanx
[01:12] <nalioth> vladuz976: well, it looks ok to me
[01:13] <nalioth> vladuz976: from the screenshot
[01:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mount: mount point /home/shane/foamy does not exist
[01:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[01:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what the hell am i doin wrong?
[01:13] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: open a terminal
[01:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm in terminal now
[01:13] <seth_k> nomed: that's exactly right. How about this, did you edit /etc/pbuilderrc and set up your apt config directory?
[01:13] <vladuz976> nalioth, do you see the differnce between the font size for the dvd rip and the firefox that is one indicator
[01:13] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: type "cd" and hit enter
[01:13] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Please read the error and understand it.  It is very obvious what it means
[01:13] <nomed> yes
[01:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but it's there
[01:13] <HrdwrBoB> are you sure
[01:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth ok done
[01:14] <seth_k> nomed: (exactly right as in exactly the error I got when my authentication was wrong)
[01:14] <signbarn> Okay, so just recently when i boot up, my optical drives (my DVD+R/W and CD-R/W) only show up as CD-ROM 1 and CD-ROM 2, and when I go to properties, it gives me a strange Mount Error. Any ideas?
[01:14] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it means the directory you're specifying does not exist.  It matters what the directory you are looking at is
[01:14] <nalioth> vladuz976: it looks fine to me
[01:14] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: now type "mkdir foamy"
[01:14] <nomed> APTCONFDIR="/etc/pbuilder/apt.config/"
[01:14] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: please get used to using relative directory names
[01:14] <Razor-X> nalioth: what work are you quoting in the wiki?
[01:14] <seth_k> nomed: permissions on the file allow-unauthenticated? you're doing everything right so far :/
[01:14] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: that was how he was instructed first
[01:14] <aks> my / key is  after a default install.  Is this a known bug or new (assume a question mark here.  It got remapped to I-know-not-where)
[01:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth done
[01:14] <nalioth> Razor-X: what?
[01:14] <Razor-X> nalioth: for membership
[01:15] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: now type '
[01:15] <weiers> Something weird happened. I think I rebooted my computer for the first time since I installed Ubuntu and suddenly my screen resolution is at 480x640 and there are no other options. How can I cange it back to something higher? It is terrible and I can hardly run my programmes.
[01:15] <nalioth> ls' and see if 'foamy' exists
[01:15] <vladuz976> nalioth, yeah maybe, its not that severe, but for now ok
[01:15] <tiglionabbit> !resolution
[01:15] <ubotu> methinks resolution is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes
[01:15] <nalioth> Razor-X: to sign up for pain and torture?
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea it does
[01:15] <Razor-X> nalioth: for Ubuntu membership
[01:15] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: now you may proceed with the mount commend (use sudo)
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k
[01:15] <nomed> -rw-r--r-- ..  cat /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/apt.conf.d/S80allow-unauthenticated
[01:16] <nomed> APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1; <-- i really don't know
[01:16] <seth_k> oy, what's that S80
[01:16] <nalioth> Razor-X: for NUN membership? for ubuntu membership ya gotta see the big boss
[01:16] <eternale1> seth_k: excellent 1 more question ... during my last linux distro i had an /mnt/hdb1 in my fstab whcih was my media stuff it doesn't seem to be found by ubuntu so its not in the fstab ... do i have to manually add it?
[01:16] <Razor-X> nalioth: the wiki says you need testimonials, and documents you have quoted in the wiki
[01:16] <eternale1> its a different drive sepreate from the install
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok done
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is that all?
[01:17] <nalioth> eternale1: does "sudo fdisk -l" show your media partition?
[01:17] <Razor-X> any joe users here?
[01:17] <nomed> seth_k, doesn't metter .. i changed it for a try
[01:17] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: thats it
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^ yay thank you so much
[01:17] <nalioth> Razor-X: my mind is in a million places
[01:17] <`Cat> Any news on mono 1.1.8 ?
[01:17] <seth_k> so odd, nomed. I've exhausted everything I can think of
[01:18] <eternale1> seth_k: ah yes it does
[01:18] <Razor-X> nalioth: Ubuntu membership is serious stuff
[01:18] <nalioth> seth_k: VESA
[01:18] <eternale1> it shows it
[01:18] <Razor-X> especially if you push for maintainer status
[01:18] <Stealth-X> you stole my X
[01:18] <Stealth-X> ;(
[01:18] <Razor-X> Stealth-X: i'll take the converse
[01:18] <seth_k> nalioth: what about VESA, I missed something
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth thank you so much i really appriciate your help ^_^
[01:18] <Razor-X> I haven't seen you around here, and so, I can only amuse that you've taken it from me ;)
[01:18] <Razor-X> *assume
[01:18] <Stealth-X> no
[01:18] <Stealth-X> heh
[01:18] <nalioth> seth_k: VESA is jesus
[01:19] <nalioth> no offense
[01:19] <Razor-X> nalioth: XDDD
[01:19] <nomed> seth_k, just a Q more ... don't i need to chroot anywhere true? pbuilder create generate the chroot env and then i just need to call pdebuild for ex ..
[01:19] <Razor-X> SVGA PWNZ J00, Jesus (joke) ;)
[01:19] <seth_k> nomed, that's right. Here's my pdebuild line:
[01:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth why does it denie me access to storage?
[01:19] <signbarn> Okay, so just recently when i boot up, my optical drives (my DVD+R/W and CD-R/W) only show up as CD-ROM 1 and CD-ROM 2, and when I go to properties, it gives me a strange Mount Error. Just yesterday they registered as the correct "DVD+R/W, CD-R/W" and showed the name of the disc in the drive -- now they don't. Any ideas?
[01:19] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what storage?
[01:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> to the new drive
[01:19] <seth_k> nomed, pdebuild --auto-debsign --buildresult ../
[01:20] <tiglionabbit> signbarn: put a disc in
[01:20] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: open a terminal please
[01:20] <seth_k> and then it just goes
[01:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth done
[01:20] <vladuz976> hey does anybody get the same problem when trying to add themes to firefox? it asks me to install the upgrade 1.04 but that is what i have, i can't even access the themes on their website
[01:20] <tiglionabbit> vladuz976: yes, everyone does.  Change vendorsub in about:config
[01:20] <Razor-X> vladuz976: go to about:config and make sure to edit the version string
[01:20] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: issue "sudo gedit /etc/fstab"
[01:20] <Razor-X> ahhh, tiglionabbit beat me to the punch ;)
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> /dev/hdb1       /foamy          ext3     defaults           0	    0
[01:21] <vladuz976> Razor-X,  and tiglionabbit where is that file i need to change?
[01:21] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: yeah but we're not very verbose about it
[01:21] <signbarn> tiglionabbit: i have one in. it doesn't register the name, or icon in the Computer screen or the desktop, but I can play cds with the cd player and dvds with the dvd player
[01:21] <Razor-X> no joe users to help me out here? :(
[01:21] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: i don't need to see anything
[01:21] <Razor-X> vladuz976: type in "about:config" in the Firefox URL bar
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> sorry
[01:21] <Razor-X> you've never played with Firefox?
[01:21] <Razor-X> Firefox is quite slow if it's unconfigured
[01:21] <signbarn> tiglionabbit: and i get an error when i go to properties.
[01:21] <nomed> pbuilder create again ... uff
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> firefox rocks ^_^
[01:21] <nalioth> Razor-X: you have notices AND priv msgs
[01:21] <Razor-X> (compared to Opera)
[01:21] <Razor-X> nalioth: ahhh, sorry
[01:21] <eternale1> seth_k: doing fstab -l shows the /dev/hdb1 but it won't mount since its missing it in /etc/fstab
[01:22] <Razor-X> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I prefer Opera myself
[01:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i want to try it is it any good?
[01:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the windows version sucked
[01:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok fstab is open
[01:22] <nomed> it's amazing  also links2 -g 8)
[01:22] <seth_k> eternale1: try nalioth for fstab stuff :P
[01:22] <Razor-X> nomed: especially if you compile it yourself ;)
[01:22] <nomed> yep ...
[01:22] <tiglionabbit> signbarn: I think it depends on whether it's a music cd or data cd.  Ubuntu auto-mounts most things for you
[01:22] <tiglionabbit> ubotu forget firefox
[01:22] <tiglionabbit> ubotu firefox is -- to get themes, type "about:config" in your address bar, search for vendorsub, and change it from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[01:22] <ubotu> i forgot firefox, tiglionabbit
[01:22] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: okay
[01:23] <vladuz976> Razor-X, what are the exact names of the files please i don't see anything with version
[01:23] <nomed> i can read gmail 8)
[01:23] <signbarn> tiglionabbit: should i have a music cd in when i restart
[01:23] <eternale1> i have my old fstab file im thinking maybe just adding the same line would make it work
[01:23] <seth_k> ah, so you can train ubotu!
[01:23] <Razor-X> vladuz976: change the string "vendorsub"
[01:23] <tiglionabbit> crap, pulled my cable out
[01:23] <seth_k> eternale1: yep, go for it
[01:23] <nomed> but i would build my pkges in a standard way and that pbuilder :/
[01:23] <vladuz976> Razor-X, not there
[01:23] <Razor-X> vladuz976: i'm guessing it should be, search on the page
[01:24] <Razor-X> as I said above, I'm an Opera user, so when it comes to Firefox, I can't help with specifics
[01:24] <vladuz976> Razor-X, general.useragent.vendorSub
[01:24] <vladuz976> ?
[01:24] <Razor-X> I don't bleat with the OSS browser of choise
[01:24] <vladuz976> to what?
[01:24] <Razor-X> vladuz976: probably
[01:24] <Razor-X> try it, no harm in editing it
[01:24] <tiglionabbit> ubotu firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[01:24] <ubotu> ...but firefox is already something else...
[01:24] <tiglionabbit> ubotu forget firefox
[01:24] <ubotu> i forgot firefox, tiglionabbit
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> ubotu firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[01:25] <virgule> ewww
[01:25] <vladuz976> Razor-X, tiglionabbit change the value to "0"??
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> vladuz976: what?
[01:25] <Razor-X> vladuz976: change it to the version string you desire
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> !firefox
[01:25] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> ubotu firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[01:25] <Razor-X> 1.04, in this case
[01:25] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: okay
[01:25] <Matt_Arnold> when I tried to access the drive on my other computer through Samba, it crashed. Now it's asking me to provide the bug report with a TCP dump. How do I acquire this?
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> there we go
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> !firefox
[01:25] <seth_k> heh
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> grr, timeouts
[01:26] <tiglionabbit> have to wait a minute before saying it
[01:26] <vladuz976> Razor-X, i have no idea what you are talking about. or what i need to change
[01:26] <tiglionabbit> !firefox
[01:26] <ubotu> I guess firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[01:26] <Razor-X> vladuz976: you've never played with a text file?
[01:26] <vladuz976> Razor-X, i h ave
[01:26] <tiglionabbit> hooray, much better
[01:26] <virgule> ubotu virgule is curious
[01:26] <ubotu> okay, virgule
[01:26] <Razor-X> vladuz976: the values to the left are the variable names, and their values are to the right
[01:26] <virgule> !virgule
[01:26] <ubotu> methinks virgule is curious
[01:26] <Razor-X> it's that simple ;)
[01:26] <Razor-X> ubuntu forget virgule
[01:26] <virgule> 0_o
[01:26] <virgule> ok..
[01:26] <Razor-X> ubotu forget virgule
[01:26] <ubotu> i forgot virgule, Razor-X
[01:26] <Razor-X> no names
[01:26] <tiglionabbit> virgule: the admins will get mad at you for that =[
[01:27] <virgule> i woul dhave told him to forget right waay, anyway ;)
[01:27] <vladuz976> Razor-X, got it changed to 1.04 now works
[01:27] <Razor-X> ubotu names are something you should not add in me
[01:27] <ubotu> Razor-X: okay
[01:27] <deviant> hello guys. cand some one pls tell me what config file do i have to edit in order to specify what files from my hdd are share by apache server.
[01:27] <Razor-X> names!
[01:27] <Razor-X> err
[01:27] <Razor-X> !names
[01:27] <seth_k> hehe
[01:27] <ubotu> names are something you should not add in me
[01:27] <Razor-X> exactly
[01:28] <Razor-X> don't add personal names into ubotu
[01:28] <nalioth> Razor-X: empty him of that
[01:28] <nalioth> y'all dont be abusing the bot
[01:28] <tiglionabbit> ubotu Debra is Ian's wife
[01:28] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: okay
[01:28] <Razor-X> nalioth: why? it's convenient
[01:28] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: no bot abuse
[01:28] <tiglionabbit> lol, may I stretch the definition here?
[01:28] <Razor-X> ubotu forget Debra
[01:28] <ubotu> i forgot debra, Razor-X
[01:29] <tiglionabbit> it's topical though
[01:29] <tiglionabbit> !linus
[01:29] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, tiglionabbit
[01:29] <tiglionabbit> !linux
[01:29] <nalioth> Razor-X: so am i
[01:29] <ubotu> I heard linux is a kernel, but commonly refers to awesomeness
[01:29] <Razor-X> yes, linus
[01:29] <Razor-X> that's a name we _can_ add ;)
[01:29] <tiglionabbit> lol, I put that linux one in there
[01:29] <tiglionabbit> someone think of something better
[01:29] <cafuego> ubotu has 0-odd GB of storage left, we really don't care if it knows a little tidbit about *you* ;-)
[01:29] <ubotu> cafuego: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[01:29] <Kyral> Hmmm, anyone know how to change the "Screensaver Lock Screen"?
[01:29] <cafuego> Eh, 70-odd GB
[01:30] <eternale1> thank you for the help seth_k im sure we'll speak again :D
[01:30] <Razor-X> ;)
[01:30] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: 70 gb!?  That's plenty, wtf?
[01:30] <seth_k> nps eternale1, glad I could help :D
[01:30] <Razor-X> cafuego: more than my HDD ;)
[01:30] <Razor-X> the people who help here often have modest hardware
[01:30] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: are you seriously telling me that 70gb isn't enough to store a few single lines of text?
[01:30] <statik> thats not true
[01:30] <Razor-X> while those that know nothing about what they have have the most expensive hardware ;)
[01:30] <vladuz976> Razor-X, the themes install but don't change, close firefox restart it same old theme
[01:30] <cafuego> Just a vhost box with 2x80GB, not that full yet (just web sites & mail)
[01:30] <Razor-X> vladuz976: not sure then *shrugs*
[01:31] <Razor-X> as I said, i'm not a Firefox user
[01:31] <tiglionabbit> !ubuntu
[01:31] <ubotu> methinks ubuntu is http://www.ubuntolinux.org or FAQ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[01:31] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: No, I was saying you can add your few lines of text, because there is heaps of space.
[01:31] <seth_k> oy, ubotu spelled the link wrong
[01:31] <Razor-X> ahhh, you can?
[01:31] <Razor-X> Amaranth was beating us on the head with sticks for doing that ;)
[01:31] <seth_k> ubotu forget linux
[01:31] <ubotu> i forgot linux, seth_k
[01:31] <seth_k> ubotu Linux is the "kernel", or core of the Ubuntu operating system. Ubuntu is only one version of Linux. For more information on Linux in general, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[01:31] <ubotu> okay, seth_k
[01:31] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: then why do the admins always say "NO!  Ubotu doesn't have enough space for you to fill it with crap like that" when I put things in it...
[01:31] <bkv> i got an intallation q, if thats alright
[01:31] <cafuego> !ubuntu =~ s/ubunto/ubuntu/
[01:31] <ubotu> OK, cafuego
[01:32] <seth_k> nice cafuego :P
[01:32] <bkv> i want to install ubuntu this week but i'll have to do a net install coz my cd drives bust, i'm going to lose xp arent i or can i tell it to only take up the free space and not remove the old stuff?
[01:32] <The_Flyest> irc://irc.atomic-irc.net/bay2la
[01:32] <tiglionabbit> bkv: you're safe.  You can resize ntfs
[01:32] <Razor-X> bkv: you can partition the harddrive to install both
[01:32] <Razor-X> The_Flyest: no
[01:32] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: Anyone who says that who is not me has no idea about space on ubotu <eh>
[01:32] <bkv> ah okay, i thought i'd have to do it from p with partition magic or something
[01:33] <tiglionabbit> !ntfs
[01:33] <ubotu> No idea, tiglionabbit
[01:33] <The_Flyest> how can I open irc links in firefox?
[01:33] <Razor-X> uggghhh
[01:33] <jasoncohen> The_Flyest, in xchat right click and choose open in existing firefox window
[01:33] <bkv> so even though xp is currently on the whole hard disk, i get the install going and it'll let me turn the free space into linux space?
[01:33] <cafuego> Razor-X: Well, there's a subtle difference between a bunch of harmless factoinds and spam/botabuse.
[01:33] <Razor-X> there's a #firefox channel
[01:33] <Razor-X> cafuego: I was proposing adding blurbs for the frequent helpers
[01:33] <seth_k> ubotu ntfs is the filesystem used under Windows XP. The Ubuntu installer can safely resize an NTFS partition to create a new partition for you to install Ubuntu.
[01:33] <ubotu> seth_k: okay
[01:34] <artist303> I tried to install audacity but I get this error: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libs/libsndfile/libsndfile1_1.0.10-2_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[01:34] <Razor-X> other than firefox problems specific to Ubuntu, please take Firefox problems to #firefox
[01:34] <tiglionabbit> seth_k: thanks.  I was about to do that
[01:34] <Razor-X> because not all of us use Firefox
[01:34] <artist303> who should I report this?
[01:34] <cafuego> Razor-X: It's probably better to let people do their own factoids
[01:34] <seth_k> artist303: it's a temporary problem with us archive
[01:34] <Razor-X> artist303: do you have us.archive Ubuntu repos?
[01:34] <Razor-X> cafuego: that's what I meant
[01:34] <bkv> what if in a few weeks or so i want to completely remove xp and use that space, can i resize the linux partition to take up the whole hdd?
[01:34] <Razor-X> seth_k: temporary?
[01:35] <seth_k> bkv: yes :)
[01:35] <cafuego> Razor-X: If you want one, just add it
[01:35] <The_Flyest> right click in xchat (currently working in)?
[01:35] <Razor-X> it's been about 4 months (IIRC)
[01:35] <bkv> brilliant, thanks
[01:35] <Razor-X> that's not very... temporary
[01:35] <The_Flyest> what do I choose than?
[01:35] <seth_k> Razor-X: it comes and goes
[01:35] <tiglionabbit> bkv: yes, you can.  When you get to the partitioning stage, tell it you want to partition yourself.  Select the ntfs partition, and select the "size" thing on it, and change it so it's smaller, so you have room to put other things on
[01:35] <nalioth> seth_k: i think its more then the us ones, i have a report the gb ones are fritzy also
[01:35] <artist303> yes, my repos is us.archive
[01:35] <Razor-X> remove the "us." from the entries
[01:35] <Razor-X> and you're set
[01:35] <tiglionabbit> bkv: you cannot resize a partition from the start of it, only from the end.  So you could wipe that partition and format it as another ext3 partiton to be used by linux, yes
[01:36] <The_Flyest> jasoncohen: right click in xchat (currently working in)?
[01:36] <DeJaVu_ZoOm> algum brasileiro aqui ?
[01:36] <seth_k> nalioth, oy, that's new. Last I heard it was only US/CA
[01:36] <The_Flyest> what do I choose than?
[01:36] <Razor-X> (in /etc/apt/sources.list)
[01:36] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[01:36] <ubotu> well, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:36] <Razor-X> DeJaVu_ZoOm: no hablamos espanol en aqui, #ubuntu-es habla espanol
[01:36] <bkv> i just have to hope my net install works then... i'm on a router, i'm gonna connect with cables in case the pcmcia doesnt work and i'm gonna put the iso or whatevers needed on the other pc and set up an ftp server, right?
[01:36] <seth_k> !pbuilder
[01:36] <ubotu> seth_k: Are you smoking crack?
[01:36] <seth_k> mmm crack
[01:36] <deviant>  me what config file do i have to edit in order to specify what files from my hdd are share by apache server.
[01:36] <artist303> Razor-X: ok, i'll try it, thx
[01:37] <tiglionabbit> !apt
[01:37] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[01:37] <tiglionabbit> cool
[01:37] <bkv> i read something about getting the ubuntu install files off the xp partition so i wouldnt need another pc, could that work?
[01:37] <seth_k> ubotu, pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[01:37] <ubotu> seth_k: okay
[01:37] <Razor-X> ubotu Razor-X is your friendly asexual Ubuntu helper who's writing a book on command-line usage for users new to it
[01:37] <ubotu> okay, Razor-X
[01:37] <Razor-X> there you are
[01:37] <seth_k> oy
[01:37] <Ghetek> installing ubuntu on a laptop i get an error at install when it gets to "retrieving gettext-base" then the screen turns red and i get a "bootstrap error"
[01:37] <tiglionabbit> !moo
[01:37] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: Are you smoking crack?
[01:38] <inemo> !die
[01:38] <ubotu> inemo: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:38] <Razor-X> Ghetek: what model laptop?
[01:38] <nalioth> Razor-X: please
[01:38] <DeJaVu_ZoOm> Razor-X, sorry, I'm brazilian
[01:38] <Razor-X> inemo: no
[01:38] <tiglionabbit> ubotu moo is apt-get with Super Cow Powers!
[01:38] <ubotu> okay, tiglionabbit
[01:38] <aron> im trying to install cedega after tar it and install it it says cedega command not found
[01:38] <nalioth> Ghetek: your cd or cd drive may need attention
[01:38] <aron> or whatever
[01:38] <The_Flyest> I have a link in firefox like irc://irc.mqkjf.com, when I click on it (in firefox), how do I make it connect automatic through xchat?
[01:38] <eternale1> does apt-get not have mplayer or xine?
[01:38] <Razor-X> DeJaVu_ZoOm: ahhh, yeah, my Spanish isn't good ;)
[01:38] <Razor-X> go to #ubuntu-es
[01:38] <aron> bash: cedega: command not found
[01:38] <cafuego> however, factoids *can* be added via '/msg ubotu'
[01:38] <tiglionabbit> eternale1: it does
[01:38] <DeJaVu_ZoOm> Razor-X, where you from ?
[01:38] <tiglionabbit> eternale1: you may need to add repositories
[01:38] <tiglionabbit> !backports
[01:38] <ubotu> somebody said backports was http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[01:38] <nalioths_dog> eternale1: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[01:39] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[01:39] <ubotu> it has been said that repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:39] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[01:39] <ubotu> it has been said that sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[01:39] <nalioths_dog> eternale1: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[01:39] <Razor-X> The_Flyest: #firefox
[01:39] <Razor-X> uggghhhh! stop that tiglionabbit
[01:39] <nalioths_dog> eternale1: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:39] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: sorry
[01:39] <tiglionabbit> lol, double-botted
[01:39] <Razor-X> DeJaVu_ZoOm: I live in America
[01:39] <The_Flyest> thx
[01:40] <DeJaVu_ZoOm> Razor-X, what country ?
[01:40] <Razor-X> I can speak very small snatches of Japanese, some French, and some Bengali
[01:40] <Razor-X> USA
[01:40] <fishie> i did apt-get for ethereal. when i run and enter the root pw i get the following..."Failed to run /usr/bin/ethereal:
[01:40] <fishie>  Wrong password.'
[01:40] <bkv> so can ubuntu be installed off my current xp partition so i dont have to mess with ftps and such (no cd drive remember)
[01:40] <DeJaVu_ZoOm> Razor-X, ohhhhhhh cool! :-)
[01:40] <seth_k> fishie: use sudo + your own password
[01:40] <nalioth> fishie: run it from a terminal in which you've issued 'sudo -s"
[01:40] <Razor-X> fishie: what seth_k said
[01:40] <Razor-X> !sudo
[01:40] <ubotu> sudo is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:40] <artist303> Razor-X: thanks a lot! It works
[01:40] <DeJaVu_ZoOm> Razor-X, this is my first boot in ubuntu!
[01:40] <Razor-X> artist303: heh
[01:40] <DeJaVu_ZoOm> Razor-X, lol ;-)
[01:40] <nalioth> seth_k: some things ONLY want to run from a root user (not sudo)
[01:41] <Razor-X> DeJaVu_ZoOm: what's the prob?
[01:41] <Razor-X> sudo -s
[01:41] <Razor-X> for total root access as a root user
[01:41] <nalioth> Razor-X: pay attention to your channels
[01:42] <Razor-X> ugghh
[01:42] <budluva> is anyone aware of some good sites for starting programming in ubuntu?
[01:42] <Razor-X> budluva: most programming is done in pure text
[01:42] <DeJaVu_ZoOm> Razor-X, i want to lower amsn with apt-get .. but, i don't know
[01:42] <cafuego> budluva: start by picking a language
[01:42] <Ghetek> Razor-X: its a dell inspiron 4100
[01:42] <budluva> well in linux for that matter
[01:43] <Razor-X> Ghetek: hmmmm....
[01:43] <budluva> cafuego, just pick one out of the hat eh? :P
[01:43] <Razor-X> DeJaVu_ZoOm: sudo apt-get install amsn
[01:43] <cafuego> budluva: after you've picked C, get 'The C Programming Language" the book.
[01:43] <tiglionabbit> budluva: I would recommend you go buy a book called th
[01:43] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: you beat me to it
[01:43] <budluva> hehe
[01:43] <Razor-X> not C, uggghh h;)
[01:43] <Razor-X> *uggghhhh
[01:43] <DeJaVu_ZoOm> Razor-X, thx
[01:43] <Razor-X> budluva: everything's done in text files, compilers are called on the pure-text source
[01:43] <cafuego> budluva: If you wants something a bit easier, maybe try PHP.
[01:44] <budluva> k
[01:44] <The_Flyest> I have a link in firefox like irc://irc.mqkjf.com, when I click on it (in firefox), how do I make it connect automatic through xchat?
[01:44] <budluva> ill look into both
[01:44] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: no no, have him do perl
[01:44] <dug> bugluva: python is used for some things in ubuntu
[01:44] <Razor-X> now the choice comes in what you want to develop (the language) and the text editor of your choice
[01:44] <The_Flyest> nodbody answers on the firefox channel
[01:44] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: I said _easier_
[01:44] <Razor-X> I myself suggest C++ or C# as a first language ;)
[01:44] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: but perl is easy
[01:44] <waka> when is colony-3 likely to see the light of day ?
[01:44] <Razor-X> The_Flyest: then wait (I don't know the answer meself)
[01:44] <cafuego> Razor-X: Suggesting C++ is a crime.
[01:45] <seth_k> cafuego: seconded
[01:45] <The_Flyest> :(
[01:45] <nalioth> The_Flyest: in System > prefs > defualt programs or something, choose yor stuff
[01:45] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: s/easy/([-*+] ){//}/
[01:45] <chrissturm> c++ needs to be forgotten
[01:45] <Razor-X> cafuego: If you mean objects are a crime then... ;)
[01:45] <tiglionabbit> budluva: All you need to do is install "build-essential" and pick up the book "The C Programming Language".  You can probably write things using gedit if you're new to editors
[01:45] <budluva> oh god look what i've started hehe
[01:45] <cafuego> Razor-X: No, objcts are fine. C++ just isn't.
[01:45] <chrissturm> Razor-X, look at smalltalk, eiffel, ruby, for object oriented languages
[01:45] <budluva> tiglionabbit, i prefer nano :P
[01:45] <Razor-X> C's blocky syntax... you can call that fun... ;)
[01:45] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: just because the substitution expressions exist doesn't mean you have to use them
[01:46] <nalioth> guys, what do you put in your fstab behind umask= so that all users can read/write?
[01:46] <Razor-X> nalioth: not sure, I can assume it's 0777
[01:46] <seth_k> no no
[01:46] <tiglionabbit> 777 is read write and execute
[01:46] <fishie> it worked by just using the root terminal and just going to the folder and running ethereal.
[01:46] <seth_k> it's a mask, so you put the reverse, yes?
[01:46] <Razor-X> errr.. sorry
[01:46] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: I know. Still, I'm fairly proficient at C, but when I started hacking ubotu (perl) I wanted to stab myself in the eye with a fork.
[01:46] <chrissturm> budluva, i would recommend python or ruby
[01:46] <tiglionabbit> read = 4, write = 2, execute = 1.  So read+write is 6
[01:46] <fishie> so what would i need for the command to just click on it
[01:46] <Razor-X> 0555 happy?
[01:46] <tiglionabbit> umask=666
[01:47] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: I know my chmod ;)
[01:47] <Razor-X> errrr 666, sorry XD
[01:47] <tiglionabbit> unless I misunderstand umask
[01:47] <seth_k> you do
[01:47] <seth_k> umask is the opposite of what you want
[01:47] <seth_k> so you do umask=0111
[01:47] <tiglionabbit> yeah, hehe
[01:47] <Razor-X> ahhh, I see
[01:47] <seth_k> and that gives the files the permissions "666"
[01:47] <seth_k> i have NO clue why it works like that
[01:48] <chrissturm> probably its because you tell it what bits to mask :)
[01:48] <tiglionabbit> cuz it's a mask.  You know, like in photoshop?
[01:48] <tiglionabbit> rofl
[01:48] <seth_k> okay, rephrase
[01:48] <seth_k> I know why it works like that, I don't know why they made it work like that
[01:48] <seth_k> :P
[01:48] <waka> like in haloween
[01:48] <tiglionabbit> when you wear a mask, you can only see the parts of you that aren't "masked" by it
[01:48] <chrissturm> seth_k++
[01:48] <Razor-X> even stil
[01:48] <Razor-X> *still
[01:49] <Razor-X> the primary usage of a mask is transperency
[01:49] <Razor-X> if fstab gets some odd kick wearing a mask... *shrug*
[01:49] <seth_k> rolleye
[01:49] <seth_k> rollothereye
[01:49] <Razor-X> *transparancy
[01:49] <seth_k> transparency :P
[01:49] <seth_k> one of each
[01:49] <tiglionabbit> nukular
[01:50] <fishie> where is the location of menu items in a directory structure?
[01:50] <nalioth> so is that the final answer? umask=0111    ?
[01:50] <tiglionabbit> fishie: which menu?
[01:50] <fishie> applications
[01:51] <Razor-X> hmmmmm... I really need to learn regex.... :(
[01:51] <tiglionabbit> fishie: locate .desktop | less
[01:51] <tiglionabbit> lemme see...
[01:51] <Razor-X> regex was one of those things I never learned, and hte amount I text, it's about time I learn them
[01:51] <Razor-X> *the
[01:51] <nalioth> Razor-X: scan your chans
[01:51] <Razor-X> ahhh, my mistake
[01:51] <Ghetek> Razor-X: i think it was my cd write speed
[01:51] <aron> hey i am trying to install cedega and its in /home/me/folder when i install it it installs all the of directories into the wrong folder
[01:52] <aron> and it makes all the folders with permissions
[01:52] <fishie> is this it
[01:52] <fishie> /usr/share/doc/ssh-askpass-gnome/examples/ssh-askpass-gnome.desktop
[01:52] <tiglionabbit> ah here we go
[01:52] <tiglionabbit> /usr/share/applications
[01:52] <fishie> sweet
[01:52] <fishie> thanks
[01:53] <tiglionabbit> all the things that show up in the menu are named something.desktop.  You can get more info by looking in their files
[01:53] <Tsunamii> need help
[01:53] <seth_k> hi Tsunamii
[01:53] <Tsunamii> hi seth_k  :P
[01:53] <tiglionabbit> whatcha need?
[01:53] <Tsunamii> why is it when i watch flash, no sound?
[01:53] <tiglionabbit> !flash
[01:53] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[01:54] <tiglionabbit> Tsunamii: there's an issue I saw recently on that
[01:54] <Tsunamii> oh
[01:54] <tiglionabbit> lemme look it up
[01:54] <seth_k> esd vs polyp, yes?
[01:55] <Tsunamii> i'm missing windows :(
[01:55] <tiglionabbit> this issue help? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[01:55] <tiglionabbit> it didn't apply to me, but might to your sound card
[01:55] <virgule> hmm me think I found a bug in gluxbox's toolbar
[01:55] <tiglionabbit> for me, this thing helped:
[01:55] <tiglionabbit> !sound
[01:55] <ubotu> I heard sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[01:55] <virgule> fluxbox*
[01:55] <Ghetek> kde... crashing... cant let ubuntu channel know its happening...
[01:56] <tiglionabbit> Ghetek: did you install kde, or kubuntu-desktop?
[01:56] <nalioth> Tsunamii: don't miss windows, windows SUCKS
[01:56] <Ghetek> kubunto
[01:56] <seth_k> Ghetek: did you get kde 3.4.1 ?
[01:56] <Ghetek> *kubuntu
[01:56] <virgule> !kubuntu
[01:56] <ubotu> No idea, virgule
[01:56] <tiglionabbit> Tsunamii: the flash plugin for linux is in fact pretty bad, yes.  Nothing we can do about it
[01:56] <nalioth> wtf?
[01:56] <Ghetek> !ubuntu
[01:56] <ubotu> it has been said that ubuntu is http://www.ubuntulinux.org or FAQ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[01:56] <Tsunamii> nalioth, fair enough - but all my proggies are windows based - i've come to the conclusion that linux has too little developers :(
[01:56] <nalioth> !info kubuntu-desktop
[01:56] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop: (Kubuntu desktop system), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.40 (hoary), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
[01:57] <nalioth> Tsunamii: you have just said the funniest thing i've heard in a while
[01:57] <Ghetek> yeah i just get an svg error sometimes
[01:57] <Tsunamii> lol
[01:57] <nalioth> Tsunamii: lack of developers?
[01:57] <seth_k> ubotu, kubuntu is the KDE version of Ubuntu. Go to #kubuntu for Kubuntu support.
[01:57] <ubotu> okay, seth_k
[01:57] <Ghetek> and all my images are "octet-stream"
[01:57] <Tsunamii> well
[01:57] <Tsunamii> i understand there's heaps
[01:57] <Tsunamii> just that
[01:57] <Tsunamii> there's too much trouble :p
[01:57] <tiglionabbit> Tsunamii: what apps do you need?
[01:57] <tiglionabbit> !windows
[01:57] <ubotu> from memory, windows is Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[01:57] <tiglionabbit> !alternatives
[01:57] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: I don't know
[01:58] <tiglionabbit> !alternative
[01:58] <ubotu> it has been said that alternative is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[01:58] <Tsunamii> well, wine crashes a lot for me
[01:58] <Tsunamii> and cedega requires on-going costs
[01:58] <nalioth> Tsunamii: what don't you understand?
[01:58] <nalioth> Tsunamii: check that URL and come back
[01:59] <virgule> !info fluxbox
[01:59] <ubotu> fluxbox: (Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.11-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 626 kB, Installed size: 1988 kB
[02:01] <virgule> is there a quick&painless way to convert a i386.deb to a powerpc.deb?
[02:01] <nalioth> virgule: not really
[02:01] <tiglionabbit> Tsunamii: it really depends what programs you want to use.  If you are to use linux, you may as well get comfortable with some of the native linux programs, rather than trying to emulate windows.  I personally have them dual boot, but I use ubuntu much more often than Windows
[02:01] <nalioth> virgule: you can use apt to compile from source, tho
[02:01] <nalioth> virgule: you'll end up with a powerpc ubuntu package
[02:01] <drew> can anyone here help me compile the GAIM source and install the autoprofile plugin?
[02:02] <nalioth> drew: first thing: install checkinstall
[02:02] <mindstorm> read the INSTALL file
[02:02] <nalioth> !checkinstall
[02:02] <ubotu> somebody said checkinstall was a program used in place of "make install". It makes a simple deb for installation
[02:03] <Discipulus> !ubuntuguide
[02:03] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably a set of instructions with no explanation.  Please search the wiki instead, http://wiki.ubuntu.com. Reasons not to advise people to use the guide are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[02:03] <mindstorm> !rtfm
[02:03] <ubotu> I don't know, mindstorm
[02:03] <mindstorm> heh
[02:03] <mindstorm> :)
[02:03] <nalioth> holy cow
[02:03] <Discipulus> ubotu rtfm is read the f***ing manual
[02:03] <ubotu> okay, Discipulus
[02:03] <mindstorm> something thats not in there :)
[02:03] <nalioth> mindstorm: did you mean !jfgi?
[02:03] <Discipulus> !rtfm
[02:03] <Discipulus> bah
[02:03] <seth_k> Discipulus: i don't think that's acceptable.
[02:04] <seth_k> ubotu forget rtfm
[02:04] <ubotu> seth_k: i forgot rtfm
[02:04] <Discipulus> seth_k, I appologize
[02:04] <seth_k> no worries
[02:04] <virgule> its read the FINE manual
[02:04] <seth_k> just remember the CoC
[02:04] <Discipulus> CoC?
[02:04] <seth_k> Code of Conduct
[02:04] <seth_k> !coc
[02:04] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, seth_k
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> what
[02:04] <tiglionabbit> ubotu rtfm is Read The "Fine" Manual
[02:04] <seth_k> oy, i'll fix that
[02:04] <ubotu> okay, tiglionabbit
[02:04] <seth_k> hehe
[02:04] <Wyzard> Could someone explain to me the rationale behind disabling root's password and allowing only sudo access?
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> coc is bad k
[02:04] <tiglionabbit> that's what my professor always says
[02:05] <Wyzard> (Not challenging it or saying it's wrong...  just wondering)
[02:05] <nalioths_dog> seth_k: Please keep the code of conduct in mind when chatting here. You can find it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[02:05] <Discipulus> !sudo
[02:05] <ubotu> from memory, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:05] <lsuactiafner> Wyzard : to annoy you
[02:05] <Discipulus> Wyzard, what ubotu said
[02:05] <nalioths_dog> Wyzard: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[02:05] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[02:05] <lumberjack> hey how do i change my packages to multiverse and universe
[02:05] <lumberjack> i forgot
[02:05] <lumberjack> someone send me tha tlink
[02:05] <nalioths_dog> lumberjack: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:05] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[02:05] <ubotu> rumour has it, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:05] <lumberjack> thanks
[02:05] <Wyzard> nalioth: thanks
[02:05] <nalioths_dog> lumberjack: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[02:06] <Tsunamii> yay
[02:06] <Tsunamii> sound
[02:06] <seth_k> ubotu, coc is the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/
[02:06] <ubotu> okay, seth_k
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> we need to make ubotu automatically !somethin so we dont need to do it
[02:06] <tiglionabbit> h'lo again Tsunamii.  Did you read that page?  What sort of programs do you use all the time in windows that you need equivalents for?
[02:07] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: if we did that, we'd be welcoming our new channelbot overlord robot masters
[02:07] <lsuactiafner> a word of advice.. dont chew vitamin c pills..
[02:07] <lsuactiafner> rofl nalioth
[02:07] <Tsunamii> i haven't read it yet
[02:07] <Tsunamii> i'm just glad my sound works in flash atm ;p
[02:07] <maxy_noob> Guys, any ideas as to why google.com stalls in my Firefox? All other sites work.
[02:08] <tiglionabbit> Tsunamii: it'll probably still lose audio sync on long videos that aren't scene-splitted, but yeah, works ok
[02:08] <maxy_noob> come to think of it, Merriam-Webster only half loads too
[02:08] <tiglionabbit> maxy_noob: have you got any extensions?
[02:09] <maxy_noob> huh?
[02:09] <maxy_noob> Oh, yes I do
[02:09] <maxy_noob> in FF
[02:09] <tiglionabbit> maxy_noob: did it ever work before you got those?
[02:09] <tiglionabbit> you may be blocking content or running a script
[02:09] <maxy_noob> they may have, yes. do you recommend uninstalling them?
[02:09] <Wyzard> nalioths_dog: hmm...  none of the reasons given there seem to provide much benefit for an experienced user who has root logins disabled in SSH and use of "su" restricted to members of group root
[02:10] <virgule> please advise: bbmail: Aborting: No spool filename specified. Make sure then environment valiable MAIL is set   -    whats that? can I set this variable for a pop3 account?
[02:10] <merriam> maxy_noob: try with a different profile, without extensions.
[02:10] <Wyzard> nalioths_dog: (I'm trying to decide whether I want to convert my Debian systems to use sudo like Ubuntu does, or my Ubuntu systems to use su like Debian does)
[02:10] <tiglionabbit> maxy_noob: if they're messing up google, then yes.  But look through them for something that could be causing it.  Is there an adblock filter on something that could show up on google?  Is there a greasemonkey script for google?
[02:10] <virgule> where? how? why? when?
[02:10] <nalioth> Wyzard: if you are experienced, you know how to bring root back
[02:10] <doctor_salvia> are there any engineers in here?
[02:10] <nalioth> Wyzard: sudo was set up for new users
[02:10] <tiglionabbit> Wyzard: happy medium, just say "sudo su"
[02:10] <tiglionabbit> it'll work
[02:11] <lucasac-unesp> OMG mako is never here
[02:11] <bnry> hi. is there a way to install linux in parallel with a windows system on 2 sata drives in raid0(stripped) mode with sil3112 controller, without destroying the data? thanks.
[02:11] <Wyzard> nalioth: Yes, I do, and I understand and agree with the default setting...  just trying to get a good sense of what's best for my own needs
[02:11] <doctor_salvia> anyone know what a MOS device is?
[02:11] <Wyzard> tiglionabbit: or "sudo -i"
[02:11] <merriam> maxy_noob:   firefox -P profile_name
[02:11] <maxy_noob> I uninstalled all the extensions but google still refuses to load
[02:11] <merriam> maxy_noob: and create that profile
[02:11] <virgule> !MOS
[02:11] <ubotu> virgule: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:12] <nalioth> Wyzard: only you can answer that. i've been using linux over 5 years and the sudo doesnt bother me (took a bit of gettin used to, tho)
[02:12] <maxy_noob> where do I run that command and create that profile, merriam ?
[02:12] <doctor_salvia> virgule:  u know what a MOS is?
[02:12] <bkv> could someone help please, i need to go to bed, basically, can i put the install cd on my xp partition and install from that or will i have to do the network install as planned?
[02:12] <jedix> hey
[02:12] <jedix> what's the x86_64 situation like here?
[02:13] <merriam> maxy_noob: Applications --> System tools --> Terminal
[02:13] <cafuego> bnry: Is the raid0 onfigured through the sii bios?
[02:13] <lsuactiafner> !sata
[02:13] <ubotu> sata is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingUbuntuOnaDell8400   hm
[02:13] <lsuactiafner> !3112
[02:13] <ubotu> lsuactiafner: Bugger all, i dunno
[02:13] <jedix> I'm currently running fc3 so that I can play quake3/doom3
[02:13] <merriam> maxy_noob: and try another browser, such as dillo
[02:13] <maxy_noob> sudo firefox -P profile_name?
[02:13] <lsuactiafner> !raid
[02:13] <ubotu> lsuactiafner: I don't know, could you explain it?
[02:13] <bnry> cafuego: yes, the raid is made in the bios
[02:13] <cafuego> jedix: Ububntu x86_64 works fine, runs 32bit apps fine too.
[02:13] <Wyzard> nalioth: The only thing about it that bothers me is that if someone figures out my login password, they effectively have my root password too
[02:13] <virgule> doctor_salvia: sorry I dont.. lets go google
[02:13] <cafuego> bnry: Then no.
[02:13] <maxy_noob> create profile name?
[02:13] <lsuactiafner> i cant get the promise 3112 runnin correcrly
[02:13] <jedix> cafuego: thanks
[02:13] <bnry> cafuego: thank you
[02:14] <cafuego> bnry: I won't even start on why raid0 is abd (especialy on a sii controller)
[02:14] <lsuactiafner> jedix : i run native 64bit ubuntu and play q3a and doom no problems @ all
[02:14] <virgule> doctor_salvia: where did you got that?
[02:14] <doctor_salvia> virgule: can you help me out i think its a very rare chip its built to collect radiatio ni think and it has parts as a small as a micron it was givin to my father by a friend who worked for the government and designed shit
[02:14] <nalioth> Wyzard: password security is a never ending journey
[02:14] <bnry> cafuego: historical reasons...
[02:14] <jedix> sounds good, I'm pretty pissed off at yum/fc
[02:14] <tiglionabbit> hey, dillo is cool, neat
[02:14] <Wyzard> nalioth: Indeed...  anyway, thanks for your help
[02:15] <cafuego> bnry: Your best bet is probably to buy a new smallish HD for Linux, if you can't touch windows.
[02:15] <DonL> Dillo's very fast
[02:15] <maxy_noob> installed it, but can't findit
[02:15] <maxy_noob> dillo
[02:15] <cafuego> jedix: And AMD64's also run Ubuntu ia32 just fine.
[02:15] <DonL> applications, run application, type dillo
[02:16] <merriam> maxy_noob: It's in the obvious place.  Applications --> Internet
[02:16] <virgule> doctor_salvia: **maybe** I can help you out but I would be amazed.. Whats you wanna do with this thing?
[02:16] <jedix> I don't want to run ia32 though
[02:16] <maxy_noob> cool, thanks
[02:16] <maxy_noob> It's not in Internet actually.
[02:16] <maxy_noob> but when I ran, it ran
[02:16] <merriam> It is for me.
[02:16] <DonL> Mine didn't go in the list either
[02:16] <bnry> cafuego: thanks, i have to backup my data, but it's not too easy... about 200gb...
[02:16] <virgule> the only thing RPM& yum does better thabn apt-* is rpm -q yum provides...
[02:17] <maxy_noob> google.com isn't opening with dillo either
[02:17] <doctor_salvia> virgule: hell i dunno i just wanna know what it is, it gives output apout radioactive isotopes thats all i could find on  google i guess this is something i DEFINITLY should not have their being very secritive on my google results
[02:17] <merriam> maxy_noob: what are the symptoms?
[02:17] <nalioth> what is the command to enable journaling on an ext2 filesystem (iow, go from ext2 to ext3)?
[02:17] <virgule> oh..
[02:17] <bnry> cafuego: i will give up the dumb idea of soft raid
[02:18] <virgule> can I see what it look like? got a pic?
[02:18] <mag> nalioth: tune2fs -j /dev/hdx
[02:18] <maxy_noob> merriam, the only symptom I see is that the browser tries to load the page.
[02:18] <nalioth> mag: ty
[02:18] <maxy_noob> nothing appears for google.
[02:19] <merriam> maxy_noob: no error message?
[02:19] <cafuego> bnry: Well, soft raid is not dumb. The problem is that the bios raid option needs ptoprietary drivers. kernel mode soft raid would be fine.
[02:19] <maxy_noob> only the title stuff of merriam-webster online dictionary appears
[02:19] <DonL> Maybe it's busy. Try www.google.ca
[02:19] <maxy_noob> I'm waiting for an error message.
[02:19] <maxy_noob> It'll probably say something like timed out.
[02:19] <merriam> maxy_noob: run dillo on the terminal and watch the terminal output.
[02:20] <maxy_noob> how do I run it in the terminal: sudo run dillo?
[02:20] <virgule> how do I 'create' a .deb without installing it like checkinstall does?
[02:20] <doctor_salvia> virgule: hmm i cant get a picture i cant get my cam to work on linux
[02:20] <bionic> when making the kernel with make kpkg, where does the .deb file store? I cant find it in the current dir, and not in /usr/src/ .. anyone please?
[02:20] <nalioth> virgule: checkinstall has a build-only option
[02:20] <maxy_noob> same thing for google.ca, btw.
[02:21] <virgule> sooo many things are possible, yet not-so-obvious-when-you-dont-know-where-to-look ;)
[02:21] <nalioth> virgule: what are you compiling? you know apt can build ubuntu packages from source, right?
[02:21] <Discipulus> google.com works for me
[02:21] <Discipulus> *shrug*
[02:21] <bnry> cafuego: well, the idea is that both linux and windows work with it (in their way), just not the same, so i have to use one in virtual mode if i have to use it
[02:21] <virgule> yeah.. I want the latest fluxbox (0.9.13
[02:22] <nalioth> virgule: checkinstall --help
[02:22] <virgule> im already on it :)
[02:23] <merriam> maxy_noob: That's how to run it and what it should say.
[02:23] <virgule> damn --help are not so helpfull
[02:23] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[02:24] <maxy_noob> merriam, I pm'd you
[02:24] <bnry> cafuego: thanks again
[02:25] <nalioth> i'll be damned
[02:25] <zenlunatic> how secure is ubuntu default install?
[02:25] <nalioth> zenlunatic: pretty solid
[02:25] <virgule> I think It beat windows..
[02:25] <nalioth> zenlunatic: no listening ports
[02:26] <zenlunatic> i see
[02:26] <crimsun> zenlunatic: no daemons listen on external interfaces.
[02:26] <zenlunatic> cool because im growing afraid of some folks in on server/channel
[02:26] <DonL> Funny. I just went through trying different browsers this past weekend. Went to a website that said "We don't do Firefox", so I downloaded Konqueror, and it said "We don't do Apple" lol
[02:27] <virgule> www.grc.com will enlighten you
[02:27] <zenlunatic> Doenergonzo: I don't do the site :)
[02:27] <Razor-X> as a helper here... how would you people rate me?
[02:27] <nalioth> Razor-X: you suck hard
[02:27] <Razor-X> nalioth: ;)
[02:27] <zenlunatic> Razor-X: i don't know you
[02:27] <maxy_noob> merriam, what's the run command again
[02:27] <crimsun> virgule: or instill a false sense of alarm/security
[02:27] <nameless1> i just made myself a iso image of a bin using bchunk and i am tryin to mount it and im entering iso9660 as the filesystem and its not working, anyone know why? it says its the wrong file system, but it isnt
[02:27] <Razor-X> that lasted a long time ;)
[02:28] <Razor-X> the amount of pepole i've helped, and none of them return ;)
[02:28] <nalioth> Razor-X: you beat a dyson!
[02:28] <virgule> crimson: ?!?
[02:28] <DonL> I'm sure they appreciate it, Razor-X . I know I do
[02:28] <virgule> im confused
[02:28] <nalioth> Razor-X: you bring a dyson to crying shame
[02:28] <Razor-X> nalioth: XD
[02:28] <crimsun> nameless1: you need to sudo modprobe loop, and mount -o loop foo.iso /somemountpoint
[02:28] <nalioth> Razor-X: is your ego stroked yet?
[02:29] <Razor-X> I was just trying to gather testimonials
[02:29] <merriam> maxy_noob:  dillo google.com
[02:29] <Kyral> Not us, I assume
[02:29] <Kyral> hmm, how would I rebuild my entire system from scratch?
[02:29] <nameless1> thanks crim
[02:29] <crimsun> nameless1: np
[02:29] <Razor-X> dillo pwnz0rz!
[02:29] <virgule> apt-build world?
[02:29] <nalioth> virgule: thats crazy
[02:30] <virgule> yes ;)
[02:30] <DonL> Kyral, I'd just reinstall and let it re-format, if that's what you want to do
[02:30] <virgule> it take 2 week to build GNOME
[02:30] <virgule> ..om my box at the least
[02:30] <maxy_noob> I pm'd merriam
[02:30] <Kyral> Yea, well, mine compiled KDE and all its depends in about 1 day
[02:31] <Kyral> back when I used Gentoo
[02:31] <Kyral> so that also meant X :P
[02:31] <Amaranth> well, this is an improvement
[02:32] <Amaranth> i'm still on windows, but it's windows XP and it's actually my computer
[02:32] <virgule> CTCP Version me you'll know why its that long
[02:32] <DonL> I've heard Gentoo takes lots of time
[02:32] <Amaranth> now to find linux drivers for my modem
[02:32] <nalioth> Amaranth: you hitchhiking toward home?
[02:32] <Amaranth> nalioth: My sister would kill me.
[02:32] <Amaranth> nalioth: I'm here for her wedding.
[02:32] <nalioth> Amaranth: heh
[02:32] <Kyral> Gentoo is a whore
[02:32] <Kyral> Seriously
[02:32] <virgule> dont touch that
[02:33] <nameless1> crimsun: nameless1@ubuntu:/var/iso$ sudo mount -o loop /var/iso/test.iso01.iso -t iso9660 /media/iso/
[02:33] <nameless1> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop2,
[02:33] <nameless1>        missing codepage or other error
[02:33] <nameless1>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[02:33] <nameless1>        dmesg | tail  or so
[02:33] <nameless1> nameless1@ubuntu:/var/iso$ sudo mount -o loop /var/iso/test.iso01.iso -t iso9660 /media/iso/
[02:33] <Kyral> to get where you get with a base Ubuntu Install, it would take you at LEAST 5 days
[02:33] <nameless1> crimsun: its not working
[02:33] <crimsun> nameless1: drop the -t. You didn't read my instructions carefully.
[02:33] <crimsun> nameless1: note how I made no mention of -t iso9660
[02:33] <Aragorn_guardian> hi all
[02:33] <virgule> greeting
[02:33] <Aragorn_guardian> ubuntu is really amazing...
[02:34] <Aragorn_guardian> nice job
[02:34] <nameless1> crimsun: nameless1@ubuntu:/var/iso$ sudo mount -o loop /var/iso/test.iso01.iso /media/iso/ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy
[02:34] <nameless1> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[02:34] <DonL> Aragorn_guardian, I agree.
[02:34] <Aragorn_guardian> 8)
[02:34] <virgule> Aragorn_guardian: I hear that.. Im with Ubuntu after several years on YDL and Im getting it..
[02:34] <crimsun> nameless1: umount any others, cwd, and mount the iso again
[02:34] <Aragorn_guardian> where i can access my services...in init.d?
[02:35] <nalioth> virgule: i feel for ya, it only took me 2 months of ydl
[02:35] <virgule> I've been hesitant to install ubuntu because of all those fanboys back then..
[02:35] <tiglionabbit> fanboys?  where?
[02:35] <virgule> lol
[02:35] <tiglionabbit> I thought most people didn't know about ubuntu
[02:35] <Kyral> Like ME!
[02:36] <nameless1> root@ubuntu:/var/iso # sudo mount -o loop /var/iso/test.iso01.iso /media/maya/
[02:36] <nameless1> ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy
[02:36] <nameless1> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[02:36] <nameless1> i tried with a new folder to mount it in and no workies!
[02:36] <Kyral> so how would I build everything from scratch again (might do this for when Breezy upgrades)
[02:36] <squirellmaster> hell everyone!
[02:37] <squirellmaster> *hello :S
[02:37] <crimsun> nameless1: did you modprobe loop ?
[02:37] <squirellmaster> latop keyboard...
[02:37] <Wyzard> Kyral: You don't need to recompile things from scratch for a dist-upgrade
[02:37] <squirellmaster> *laptop?!
[02:37] <nameless1> yeah it didnt say anything tho no errors and no confirmation
[02:37] <nameless1> should it of said something?
[02:37] <Kyral> Wyzard, what if I wanna compile the Upgrades from scratch?
[02:38] <crimsun> nameless1: no, it not saying anything is a good sign.
[02:38] <nalioth> Kyral: this is linux, you can do waht you like
[02:38] <Kyral> I know
[02:38] <Kyral> I wanna know the command :P
[02:38] <Wyzard> Kyral: Then you can use "apt-get source" and do so...  but that doesn't really have anything to do with upgrading
[02:38] <Kyral> so something like apt-get source dist-upgrade?
[02:38] <Wyzard> Kyral: Go to www.debian.org and read the New Maintainer's Guide (unless Ubuntu has a similar but Ubuntu-specific document...  I'm mostly a Debian user so I don't know)
[02:39] <Wyzard> Kyral: No, "apt-get source <packagename>" gets you the source package that the binary package (.deb) is built from
[02:39] <tonk> hello
[02:39] <bddebian> Heya nalioth ..  Are you timing me? ;-P
[02:39] <bddebian> Hello tonk / sier
[02:39] <Wyzard> Kyral: You can customize things and then build the binary package using debuild or something similar
[02:39] <nameless1> crimsun: i did a chmod of the iso and now i get this new error
[02:39] <nameless1> root@ubuntu:/media/maya # sudo mount -o loop /var/iso/test.iso01.iso /media/maya/
[02:39] <nameless1> mount: could not find any free loop device
[02:39] <nalioth> bddebian: are you running a race?
[02:39] <bddebian> nalioth: :-)
[02:39] <ubuntu_> hi from france
[02:40] <bddebian> Hello ubuntu_
[02:40] <seth_k> salut
[02:40] <ubuntu_> salut aussi :)
[02:40] <Wyzard> Kyral: There are some tools meant to help automate the process if you do it frequently, but I can' think of their names offhand
[02:40] <crimsun> nameless1: lsof /dev/loop*
[02:40] <no_gatez_fan> like to start my ubuntu box  as ftp server on boot up...any ideas?
[02:40] <Wyzard> no_gatez_fan: apt-get install proftpd
[02:40] <harold> Hello everyone, how are you all today?
[02:40] <Wyzard> no_gatez_fan: or some other FTP server package
[02:40] <bddebian> Hello harold
[02:40] <no_gatez_fan> kewl ty
[02:40] <harold> Hey there bddebian
[02:40] <nameless1> root@ubuntu:/media/maya # lsof /dev/loop*
[02:40] <nameless1> root@ubuntu:/media/maya # sudo mount -o loop /var/iso/test.iso01.iso /media/maya/
[02:40] <nameless1> mount: could not find any free loop device
[02:40] <nameless1> root@ubuntu:/media/maya #
[02:41] <nalioth> harold: the army man
[02:41] <harold> Anyone know what the repository source for unstable in Warty would be?
[02:41] <harold> Hello nalioth
[02:41] <Wyzard> Kyral: Recompiling packages isn't really related to upgrading though...  you compile some version of the package, and it doesn't matter whether or not you already have that version installed
[02:41] <harold> LOL
[02:41] <flugh> good evening #ubuntu
[02:41] <harold> That's a biker cap
[02:41] <bddebian> Hello flugh
[02:41] <crimsun> nameless1: modprobe -r loop
[02:41] <Aragorn_guardian> sudo is nice, but to avoid all time of it, is good do a sudo bash...this open a root terminal 8)
[02:42] <Camo>  yo neosnightmare!
[02:42] <neosnightmare> hey camo
[02:42] <nameless1> root@ubuntu:/media/maya # modprobe -r loop
[02:42] <nameless1> FATAL: Module loop is in use.
[02:42] <nameless1> root@ubuntu:/media/maya #
[02:42] <bddebian> harold: Warty != unstable.  If you truly want unstable you would have to upgrade to Breezy
[02:42] <flugh> i  have to say, my ubuntu-driven desktop is looking spiffy today. a nice change after staring at Access in XP all day ;-)
[02:42] <Wyzard> Aragorn_guardian: "sudo -i" is a more direct way to do that, and it respects root's configured login shell
[02:42] <Aragorn_guardian> nice...
[02:42] <soulfly> hi. I just compiled 2.6.12 and my mouse stopped working in xorg. is there a patch in hoary on the kernel to fix USB mouses? Im using the ExplorerPS protocol. /dev/input/mice is there and everything seems ok on the kernel side. any ideas?
[02:43] <harold> bddebian: I'm trying to get my wifi pcmcia card recognized, and i want to install an unstable package.
[02:43] <bddebian> harold: Why are you not running Hoary?
[02:43] <nalioth> harold: yes, why ARENT you running hoary?
[02:44] <crimsun> nameless1: just reboot and reinsert
[02:44] <harold> bddebian: To make a long story short, I only have 64MB RAM and thought Warty would be more forgiving.
[02:44] <nalioth> harold: not so
[02:44] <nameless1> crimsun: will do, brb
[02:44] <bddebian> harold: Shouldnt be a problem
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> harold: hoary is the same but better
[02:44] <ccc> can i restart the desktop without restarting X? my desktop freezes and goes blank sometimes. nautilus won't work, everything else works fine though.
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> there's no significant difference in terms of what they do
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> hoary just does it better
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> ccc: you can restart nautilus
[02:44] <harold> Everyone: Without needing more RAM?
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> ccc: killall -9 nautilus will it
[02:45] <nalioth> harold: yes
[02:45] <bddebian> harold: yes
[02:45] <Wyzard> harold: 64MB isn't much space to run GNOME in no matter what distro you use, but it shouldn't be any worse in hoary than warty
[02:45] <ccc> HrdwrBoB: ah, worked -- thanks!
[02:45] <harold> Here's my strategy, everyone.  My main objective is to get the wifi pcmcia card going on this system.  I figure if i can get it going on Warty, I'll then try Hoary.
[02:45] <soulfly> i can't see any errors in xorg log eihter, but the mouse pointer doesn't move (it did in 2.6.11 with hoary patches)
[02:46] <lsuactiafner> run blackbox gnome is slow
[02:46] <neosnightmare> can someone tell me how to activate the mouse navigational buttons? i can use everything else on it but those
[02:46] <lsuactiafner> or fluxbox
[02:46] <bddebian> harold: What kind of card is it?
[02:46] <Wyzard> harold: What kind of card is it?  (Or, do you know what driver it needs?)
[02:46] <nalioth> harold: it'd probably be easier to try in hoary
[02:46] <Aragorn_guardian> i need compile somethings in ubuntu...what i need? what packages? only gcc, for c only...
[02:47] <harold> It's a D-link DWL-G630, and it's supposed to work in Linux.
[02:47] <harold> Thought it's not officially supported by D-Link.
[02:47] <harold> Though it's not, that is.
[02:47] <Wyzard> Aragorn_guardian: "apt-get install build-essential" is a good place to start, though it's not strictly the minimum set of packages you need to compile C programs
[02:47] <bddebian> harold: Do you know what chipset?
[02:47] <harold> bddebian: Atheros
[02:48] <harold> Rev. C for the DWL-G630
[02:48] <HrdwrBoB> you'll likely also been bison and flex
[02:48] <Aragorn_guardian> nice...where i get info of packages in this way...how i list those packages?
[02:48] <HrdwrBoB> need
[02:48] <bddebian> harold: Have you looked at dmesg?  Does it recognize the card?
[02:48] <bddebian> Aragorn_guardian: You want a list of what is installed or what?
[02:49] <Aragorn_guardian> build-essential
[02:49] <tiglionabbit> Aragorn_guardian: you could run synaptic, and do all of this through synaptic
[02:49] <Wyzard> Aragorn_guardian: apt will list the packages it's going to install before it proceeds...  or you can use synaptic, and it'll tell you about dependencies when you mark the package for installation
[02:49] <Aragorn_guardian> hum...nice
[02:49] <harold> bddebian; I'm not certain how to read that printout, actually.
[02:49] <Aragorn_guardian> nice...gonna try...
[02:49] <nalioth> Aragorn_guardian: open a terminal and type "apt-cache showpkg build-essential"
[02:49] <bddebian> harold: Go to a terminal and do:  "dmesg |grep eth"
[02:50] <Aragorn_guardian> nalioth: 8)
[02:50] <Wyzard> Aragorn_guardian: "build-essential" pulls in the standard set of packages used for building Debian-format (i.e. Ubuntu) packages...  so there are some tools in there that you don't need for compiling ordinary C programs, but they're small and harmless, and "build-essential" is easy to remember
[02:51] <david> does anyone know how can i change which mouse button opens each menu in E16? (ive already asked in #e)
[02:51] <Aragorn_guardian> understand...a shortcut...
[02:51] <tiglionabbit> !build-essential
[02:51] <ubotu> I guess build-essential is http://ubuntuguide.org/#build-essential
[02:51] <Aragorn_guardian> gonna try...
[02:51] <harold> bddebian: It prints (among other things) "eth0: BMAC at 00:05:02:13:76:aa
[02:51] <tiglionabbit> ubotu forget build-essential
[02:51] <ubotu> i forgot build-essential, tiglionabbit
[02:51] <tiglionabbit> !show build-essential
[02:51] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: I give up, what is it?
[02:52] <bddebian> harold: Do you have another NIC or just the wireless?
[02:52] <harold> bddebian: Also: etho0: no IPv6 routers present
[02:52] <harold> Just the pc card
[02:52] <Am|NickTaken> *sigh*
[02:52] <Aragorn_guardian> nice place this ubuntuguide....
[02:52] <Kyral> Someone remind me to do the Breezy upgrade in October overnight, its gonna be one helluva prelink
[02:52] <tiglionabbit> Aragorn_guardian: don't read that.  Read the wiki
[02:52] <tiglionabbit> !ubuntuguide
[02:52] <ubotu> rumour has it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation.  Please search the wiki instead, http://wiki.ubuntu.com. Reasons not to advise people to use the guide are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[02:52] <bddebian> harold: It looks like it is picking up the card then.  What do you get if you do:  "sudo ifconfig" ?
[02:52] <Aragorn_guardian> i can work with packages from debians repository?
[02:52] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: give the
[02:52] <nalioth> !crap a break
[02:52] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, nalioth
[02:53] <Aragorn_guardian> i said, if i could not found something in ubuntu ones...
[02:53] <Wyzard> Aragorn_guardian: No, Ubuntu uses the same package manager as Debian, but the packages themselves are not necessarily compatible
[02:53] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: !info build-esential
[02:53] <Aragorn_guardian> ok
[02:53] <harold> bddebian: Which part of the printout am I looking for?
[02:53] <Wyzard> Aragorn_guardian: If you include universe and multiverse in your sources, you have access to Ubuntu versions of many of the packages available in Debian
[02:53] <nalioth> Wyzard: they are very not necessarily compatible
[02:53] <bddebian> harold: eth0
[02:53] <Razor-X> should I just link to the Creative Commons license, or should I actually keep a verbatim copy in the book?
[02:53] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[02:53] <ubotu> from memory, sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[02:54] <nalioth> Razor-X: on the 2d page
[02:54] <harold> bddebian: Should I paste this puppy somewhere?
[02:54] <harold> bddebian: Oops, sorry, i can't!
[02:54] <Wyzard> nalioth: Well, I don't want to unilaterally say "not compatible" because some probably are, but I don't want him to get the idea that he should go installing packages from Debian without knowing what he's doing  :-)
[02:54] <harold> I'm IRCing from a Mac
[02:55] <harold> Forgot for a moment there...
[02:55] <Razor-X> nalioth: 2d page?
[02:55] <nalioth> Wyzard: installing debian packages will quickly break us
[02:55] <nalioth> Razor-X: channel check
[02:55] <Aragorn_guardian> Wyzard: i see, in synaptic...
[02:55] <harold> bddebian:  Link encap;Ethernet HWaddr 00:05:02:13:76:AA
[02:55] <Aragorn_guardian> there are really a lot of them...
[02:55] <bddebian> harold: Does it have an IP address?
[02:56] <andrewski> quick question: should my stepdad (using knoppix) be able to copy files from ntfs to /dev/sda1 (vfat)?
[02:56] <eternale1> hmm i believe i added thsese extra apt-get package links using synaptic package manager but it still won't apt-get installer mplayer-386
[02:56] <Wyzard> Aragorn_guardian: Yep...  and I agree with nalioth's point:  though I said "not necessarily compatible", you really should never install Debian packages in Ubuntu
[02:56] <tiglionabbit> andrewski: yes
[02:56] <harold> bddebian: yes, inet addr 192.168.0.166
[02:56] <Aragorn_guardian> someone is using apache/php?
[02:56] <andrewski> tiglionabbit: any idea why that wouldn't work?
[02:56] <Amaranth> andrewski: Yes.
[02:56] <nameless1> crimsun: im back and still didnt work
[02:56] <nalioth> Wyzard: i get packages 1 from apt, 2 source built from apt, 3d, hand-compiled (although i run PPC)
[02:56] <nameless1> nameless1@ubuntu:~$ modprobe -r loop
[02:56] <nameless1> nameless1@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -o loop /var/iso/test.iso01.iso /media/maya/
[02:56] <nameless1> Password:
[02:56] <nameless1> ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy
[02:56] <nameless1> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[02:56] <harold> bddebian; /bcastl 192.168.0.255
[02:56] <Aragorn_guardian> i dont understand correct... 8)... apache2 is the recomended? is that?
[02:56] <tiglionabbit> andrewski: dunno, but it should only work in that direction
[02:56] <andrewski> tiglionabbit: right.
[02:56] <bddebian> harold: Then you should be set.  Are you having a problem?
[02:56] <Wyzard> Aragorn_guardian: (The only exception would be if you're an experienced user, know exactly what you're doing, and are prepared to handle breakage in case it doesn't work)
[02:57] <tiglionabbit> dinner time, talk to you guys later
[02:57] <crimsun> nameless1: sounds like an actual iso problem
[02:57] <Aragorn_guardian> Wyzard: i will remember....
[02:57] <Wyzard> Aragorn_guardian: Both apache1 and apache2 are actively maintained
[02:57] <crimsun> nameless1: i.e., bchunk messing up
[02:57] <nameless1> crimsun: i made the iso with this other program so i assumed it wasnt screwed up
[02:57] <Aragorn_guardian> Wyzard: ehehehe...not my case...i am new in debian world...
[02:57] <stetyR> hello
[02:57] <nameless1> crimsun: ill go search thru my dvd collection for another iso to test
[02:57] <bddebian> Hello stetyR
[02:57] <Wyzard> Aragorn_guardian: apache1 is maintained mostly because there are still a lot of modules for it which haven't yet been ported to use apache2...  but unless you need some feature specific to apache1, you should probably use apache2
[02:58] <Aragorn_guardian> Wyzard: thanks!
[02:58] <Aragorn_guardian> things really seems very easy...
[02:58] <nameless1> crimsun: do u know another program like bchunk that i could try?
[02:58] <Aragorn_guardian> never compile again...eheheheh
[02:58] <nalioth> Aragorn_guardian: they are
[02:58] <harold> bddebian: Yes, I don't know how to use it, and so I've been trying to intall madwifi, but I believe I've failed.  Since I'm on an Apple PowerBook G3 (OldWorld), I had to follow some instructions to compile from source, but there were some errors somewhere in the middle of doing the install.
[02:58] <epohs> is it possible to mount ext3 and assign a different user to the target mountpoint than the source directory?
[02:59] <Wyzard> hehe
[02:59] <harold> bddebian: So I'm not certain what to do next.
[02:59] <harold> bddebian: So this is what I'm doing:
[02:59] <harold> bddebian: Trying to install linux=wlan-ng
[03:00] <bddebian> harold: For what reason?
[03:00] <harold> bddebian: Ooops; linux-wlan-ng
[03:00] <harold> bddebian: I'd read on the Ubuntu forums that someone with a PowerPC (Mac) had some success with my pcmcia card and using that package.
[03:00] <Aragorn_guardian> nalioth: and very well organized...
[03:01] <bddebian> harold: What doesn't work?  Have you tried to ping anything?
[03:01] <DonL> Wyzard, aren't they using a version of apt with FC4?
[03:01] <harold> bddebian: Yet I can't apt-get install that package; apparently it's in unstable repository.
[03:01] <Aragorn_guardian> nalioth: where can i control services in init.d ?
[03:01] <Wyzard> harold: I think madwifi is the preferred driver for Atheros chips...  I've also had good success with ndiswrapper on my prism54 and some Broadcom cards
[03:01] <harold> bddebian: I tried earlier, but not since attempting the compile of madwifi.
[03:01] <Aragorn_guardian> not famiuliar in debian...
[03:01] <Wyzard> DonL: It's available, but not the default...  they have a tool called "yum" which is similar, though
[03:02] <nalioth> Aragorn_guardian: i have no idea, either.
[03:02] <harold> Wizard: I had trouble installing from source; ran into some trouble while compiling.
[03:02] <DonL> Ah yes. I did play with that a while back
[03:02] <bddebian> harold: Do you have anything in /etc/resolv.conf ?
[03:02] <harold> bddebian: I'll look..
[03:02] <Wyzard> DonL: main difference I can see is that instead of having a separate "update" step, it downloads updated package headers every time you use it (but the headers are small, so it doesn't take long)
[03:02] <harold> bddebian: Two nameservers
[03:02] <harold> bddebian: (IP numbers)
[03:03] <DonL> Yum is from Yellow Dog I seem to remember
[03:03] <Wyzard> ah
[03:03] <bddebian> harold: So what happens when you run apt-get?
[03:03] <Wyzard> That makes sense...  I guess it stands for "Yellowdog Update Manager" or something
[03:03] <nalioth> DonL: Wyzard: yes , yellowdog came up with yum
[03:03] <Wyzard> I'd been wondering about that
[03:03] <nalioth> DonL: Wyzard: but RPMs still suck
[03:04] <DonL> nalioth, yeah. After years of using them I'm glad to now use apt
[03:04] <harold> bddebian: "Couldn't find package linux-wlan-ng"
[03:04] <nalioth> DonL: i found that even using yum(based on apt-get) on YDL, rpms STILL sucked
[03:04] <bddebian> harold: Does apt-get update succeed?
[03:05] <Wyzard> nalioth: I read some of their developer docs today, about creating RPMs, and from what I can see of the metadata, I think the dpkg system is more robust...  but I still think I should learn RPM better
[03:05] <nalioth> Wyzard: knowledge is power
[03:05] <DonL> There used to be big problems with dependencies. Is that still an issue, nalioth ?
[03:05] <harold> bddebian: In general, yes.
[03:05] <nalioth> DonL: in ubuntu or redhat?
[03:05] <DonL> with rpm's
[03:05] <harold> bddebian: I have no problem updating other packages, if that's what you mean.
[03:05] <Wyzard> DonL: They used to have "dependency hell" because there was no tool like apt/yum to automatically download dependencies
[03:05] <nalioth> DonL: haven't you heard the term "red hat hell"?
[03:06] <Wyzard> That's resolved now, but the RPM format doesn't appear to have versioned Conflicts, which seems like a big shortcoming to me
[03:06] <nalioth> Wyzard: yum hasnt brought much relief from 'dependency hell'
[03:06] <DonL> Yes, I think I have
[03:06] <bddebian> harold: Then I am confused.  It looks like you have a working network connection so I still don't understand what you are trying to do?
[03:07] <harold> bddebian: Well, let me ask you this - if I wish to ping, what command should I use?  ("ping <what>?")
[03:07] <Wyzard> nalioth: It seems OK to me...  downloads and installs deps as needed...  though I just installed the system yesterday so I don't have much experience with it yet
[03:07] <DonL> When I used Mandrake, I tried urpmi, but it wasn't much better
[03:07] <harold> bddebian: Just to test the ping
[03:07] <tiglionabbit> bddebian: ping google.com
[03:07] <bddebian> harold: "ping <ip address>" or "ping <hostname>"
[03:07] <tiglionabbit> oops, I meant for harold
[03:07] <tiglionabbit> harold: ping google.co
[03:07] <tiglionabbit> m
[03:07] <harold> bddebian: Won't that use my DSL connection, though
[03:07] <harold> ?
[03:08] <bddebian> harold: That is why I asked if you had another network connection besides the wireless
[03:08] <harold> bddebian: Sorry, I thought you meant a router.  Doh!
[03:08] <harold> bddebian: Wireless routher, that is!
[03:09] <merriam> maxy_noob: tried it with Window?
[03:09] <nalioth> Wyzard: this is very very much better than rpms
[03:09] <harold> bddebian: My apologies
[03:09] <merriam> Windows
[03:09] <maxy_noob> merriam, in firefox in windows it defaults to google.ca; when I google.com in IE it stalls just like it did in firefox in ubuntu
[03:09] <bddebian> harold: So you have a DSL connection plus the wireless adapter?
[03:09] <DonL> maxy_noob, that's strange
[03:10] <harold> bddebian: Currenlty.  The only reason I have it connected to the DSL is because I'm at home now; I want to use this outside.
[03:10] <tiglionabbit> maxy_noob: is your ISP canadian?
[03:10] <maxy_noob> It (google.ca) works perfectly in firefox (in ubuntu) now
[03:10] <maxy_noob> Yes.
[03:10] <bddebian> harold: OK, what do you get if you type: "iwconfig" ?
[03:10] <merriam> maxy_noob: then it may fail intermittently.
[03:10] <tiglionabbit> maybe they're redirecting you to that country code
[03:10] <harold> bddebian: I have it connected to DSL temporarily to get configured/setup, you know?
[03:10] <maxy_noob> why would it do that?
[03:10] <harold> bddebian: One moment...
[03:10] <nalioth> maxy_noob: thought we were going with maxy_professor or something?
[03:10] <maxy_noob> what do you mean?
[03:11] <nalioth> maxy_noob: we are all n00bs
[03:11] <harold> bddebbian: For lo: no wireless extensions (same result also for eth0 and sit0)
[03:11] <maxy_noob> oh, hehehe
[03:11] <maxy_noob> well, it's relative really.
[03:11] <Kyral> wtf is sit0 anyway?
[03:11] <maxy_noob> some of you guys are leagues ahead of many of us.
[03:11] <merriam> nalioth: most.  I've been using Linux since 93.
[03:11] <poningru> guys where do I place a font file?
[03:12] <poningru> its a .ttf
[03:12] <DonL> maxy_noob, I just tried google.com and it redirected me to .ca
[03:12] <harold> bddebian: Thanks for helping me, by the way.
[03:12] <bddebian> harold: Well apparently I am not helping any.. :-)
[03:12] <DonL> Maybe there's no such address as google.com
[03:12] <maxy_noob> DonL, ya, that's what merriam has helped me achieve. Initially it just stalled.
[03:13] <harold> bddebian: I've looked into ndiswrapper, and madwifi, and now I'm trying this package linux-wlan-ng
[03:13] <harold> bddebian: Not true!  Every little bit helps!
[03:13] <maxy_noob> DonL, hahahahaha
[03:13] <bddebian> harold: If you do an "lsmod" do you see the driver for your wireless?
[03:13] <DonL> maxy_noob, glad it's working for you
[03:13] <merriam> DonL: google uses many addresses.  It forwards to the one it wants you to use.
[03:13] <maxy_noob> me too
[03:13] <maxy_noob> thanks
[03:13] <cwillu> I can't install... I get kernel panics\
[03:13] <DonL> merriam, Really? Didn't know that
[03:14] <cwillu> right aftet 'uncompressing linux'
[03:14] <merriam> DonL: that's why it helps to use dillo and watch the console output.
[03:14] <maxy_noob> merriam, what exactly did we do to get firefox to default to google.ca?
[03:14] <bddebian> cwillu: Are you installing Hoary?
[03:14] <cwillu> yse
[03:14] <bddebian> cwillu: What is the panic on?
[03:14] <maxy_noob> it wasn't doing it before
[03:14] <nalioth> merriam: i've been using it a long time and i learn something in this channel every day
[03:14] <DonL> I just tried dillo, and although I like the speed, it doesn't look good on my system
[03:14] <cwillu> I'm almost certain it's not an ubuntu problem, but I'd appreciate some help figuring out which piece of hardware might be causing it
[03:14] <cwillu> \one sec
[03:14] <goldfish> DonL: tried opera?
[03:15] <harold> bddebian: Not certain.  I'm seeing "pcmcia_core 76788 2 ds, yenta_socket"
[03:15] <cwillu> not syncing - attempted to kill the idle task
[03:15] <merriam> maxy_noob: it tries to do that anyway.  Some of the addresses aren't reachable from where you are on the net.  You added some alternatives that work.
[03:15] <Tsunamii> how do you play divx encoded .avi files?
[03:15] <biovore> checking latency to a box..  need some reports on latincy  216.133.76.2
[03:15] <cwillu> although I've gotten it to say init task as well
[03:15] <nalioth> DonL: it doestn look good on any system
[03:15] <DonL> goldfish, I don't really like the ad banner, and any time I tried it before, I found it took up too much screen real estate
[03:15] <Kyral> Tsunamii, sudo apt-get install w32codec
[03:15] <Kyral> s
[03:15] <Tsunamii> ta
[03:15] <maxy_noob> merriam, you mean the echo stuff?
[03:15] <goldfish> DonL: ah right.
[03:15] <nalioths_dog> Tsunamii: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[03:15] <bddebian> harold: Do you get anything if you do:  "iwconfig eth1" ?
[03:16] <nalioth> DonL: what kind of browser are you after?
[03:16] <cwillu> brand new machine;  asus-a7880:2500amd:1gig:80gig:on-board-everything-except-for-video
[03:16] <merriam> maxy_noob: yes.  Those commands add fixed addresses for three names.
[03:16] <harold> bddebian: "No such device"
[03:16] <bddebian> cwillu: That is a new one on me
[03:16] <DonL> I'm pretty happy with Firefox, except for a few little things
[03:16] <cwillu> :(
[03:16] <bddebian> harold: Do you know the name of the driver for your wireless?
[03:16] <Tsunamii> Kyral, that command doesn't work, can't find the package
[03:16] <bddebian> cwillu: Hang on a sec
[03:16] <maxy_noob> hmmmm, I just clean installed ubuntu today; never had to do that before.
[03:16] <maxy_noob> are you saying I'll probably have to do that from now on?
[03:17] <nalioth> DonL: are you after fast? lightweight? why was dillo recommened to you?
[03:17] <harold> bddebian: Nope
[03:17] <Kyral> Tsunamii, its w32codecs
[03:17] <cwillu> burned three cd's, including one at 1x, as well as trying an old knoppix cd;  ubuntu image md5'd okay
[03:17] <Kyral> !info w32codecs
[03:17] <DonL> I found Dillo on "Damned Small Linux" disk and tried it there
[03:17] <harold> bddebian: It's an Atheros chipset, I know that much.
[03:17] <Tsunamii> tried it
[03:17] <Kyral> Its in Backports, damn
[03:17] <cwillu> bddebian:  thanks
[03:17] <merriam> maxy_noob: if you reinstall, you may have to repeat those commands.
[03:17] <maxy_noob> dillo doesn't load all pages though
[03:17] <Kyral> !wiki Repos
[03:18] <maxy_noob> merriam, great! 8_)
[03:18] <DonL> maxy_noob, no. There are some limitations
[03:18] <Kyral> ah screw it
[03:18] <harold> bddebian: It's the D-Link DWL-G630
[03:18] <Tsunamii> nalioths_dog, I don't know how to package source files
[03:18] <maxy_noob> Is Firefox the best browser in Linux?
[03:18] <tiglionabbit> maxy_noob: matter of opinion
[03:18] <maxy_noob> It doesn't seem to work as well as in Windos.
[03:18] <merriam> maxy_noob: there's something wrong with your net connection.  The problem may go away after a while.
[03:18] <Kyral> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[03:18] <Kyral> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted <---Add those to your source.list Tsunamii
[03:18] <Tsunamii> will do
[03:18] <neosnightmare> i think so max
[03:18] <Tsunamii> source list where again? :)
[03:19] <DonL> maxy_noob, for me today it seems to be.
[03:19] <nalioth> Tsunamii: go to www.mplayerhq.hu and download the 'essential package' from the d/l page
[03:19] <tiglionabbit> !backports
[03:19] <ubotu> methinks backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[03:19] <maxy_noob> merriam, how did you find that out?
[03:19] <maxy_noob> Mozilla better?
[03:19] <tiglionabbit> maxy_noob: same difference
[03:19] <maxy_noob> k
[03:19] <nalioth> Tsunamii: and after you are done with those repos, Kyral sent you, comment them out
[03:19] <maxy_noob> what is commonly used in linux though?
[03:19] <merriam> maxy_noob: from dillo's output
[03:19] <nalioth> Tsunamii: prolonged use of those repos can mess up your system
[03:19] <cwillu> either
[03:20] <bddebian> cwillu: You aren't using VirtualPC are you?
[03:20] <Kyral> WHY DOES EVERYONE HATE THE BACKPORTS?!
[03:20] <cwillu> no
[03:20] <DonL> Mozilla's the whole show, mail and everything. I heard they're not supporting it any more, but who knows
[03:20] <goldfish> Kyral: It can cause problems.
[03:20] <Kyral> I have NEVER had a problem with them!
[03:20] <nalioth> Kyral: nobody HATES backports
[03:20] <bddebian> harold: Give me a few
[03:20] <CarlK> vsFTPd - is there a .conf for anon ftp where you can only ul to incoming and  dl from pub,
[03:20] <goldfish> when u upgrade to breezy
[03:20] <maxy_noob> I use gmail so I don't need an email client
[03:20] <biovore> FIREFOX/Thunderbird
[03:20] <benplaut> Kyral: not everyone... i like them :)
[03:20] <cwillu> brand new machine, right out of the box
[03:20] <bddebian> harold: You re-compiled your kernel?
[03:20] <Tsunamii> nalioth, I can't find the 'essential' package
[03:20] <tiglionabbit> Kyral: backports are unreliable, but important if you want to get certain things
[03:20] <Kyral> Heck, I use Backports Staging
[03:20] <stonecold> uhonghong
[03:20] <nalioth> Tsunamii: its on the codecs downloads page
[03:20] <maxy_noob> biovore, ok
[03:20] <DonL> biovore, I use Thunderbird too
[03:20] <Kyral> Nada broken :D
[03:20] <harold> bddebian: I show you exactly what I did...
[03:20] <Tsunamii> ok
[03:20] <Tsunamii> i see now
[03:21] <Tsunamii> thanks
[03:21] <Kyral> The only thing that broke through Apt-Get is when I upgraded to Breezy last month (MISTAKE!!)
[03:21] <DonL> biovore, I found Evolution pretty but a bit bloated
[03:21] <biovore> yeah..
[03:21] <Tsunamii> apt-get install codecs? ;o
[03:21] <maxy_noob> compared to firefox's performance in windows, it seems a little klunky in linux
[03:21] <biovore> thunderbird is just nice..  enigmail and works on alot of platforms
[03:21] <bddebian> cwillu: Can you disable ACPI in BIOS?
[03:21] <Kyral> apt-get install w32codecs
[03:21] <cwillu> one sec
[03:21] <nalioth> Tsunamii: only if you put those backports repos in your sources.list
[03:21] <Kyral> ^sudo
[03:21] <Tsunamii> ah
[03:22] <biovore> uncle same is considering using it over Outlook
[03:22] <maxy_noob> Ya, if I used an email client I'd probably use thunderbird
[03:22] <Tsunamii> so extract and double click whatever? :P
[03:22] <DonL> maxy_noob, I've got firefox flying. There are some hints
[03:22] <maxy_noob> shoot!
[03:22] <Kyral> no no
[03:22] <harold> bddebian: I followed the instructions on this page, under The Package Builder: http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi
[03:22] <Kyral> it installs by itself
[03:22] <nalioth> Tsunamii: extract the files into /usr/local/libs/codecs/
[03:22] <biovore> firefox can do some directx stuff too :-)
[03:22] <Kyral> Apt-Get == OWNAGE
[03:22] <Tsunamii> lol
[03:22] <Tsunamii> i'm doing GUI now Kyral  :P
[03:22] <Kyral> nalioth, is he doing it via Apt-Get or downloaded files?
[03:22] <nalioth> Kyral: Tsunamii is looking at two methods
[03:22] <Tsunamii> downloaded
[03:22] <Kyral> icky
[03:23] <Tsunamii> :P
[03:23] <cwillu> trying it...
[03:23] <Kyral> icky icky
[03:23] <jedix> hrm
[03:23] <jedix> does the installation ask for a root password?
[03:23] <Tsunamii> i know, i prefer the apt-get install function better :P
[03:23] <Kyral> Yah, i removed Synaptic last month, I sometimes forget it exists :D
[03:23] <maxy_noob> there's a speedup utility for firefox in windows (firetune or something like that). Is there an equivalent for Linux?
[03:23] <nalioth> Tsunamii: you are getting the newest codecs direct
[03:23] <tiglionabbit> maxy_noob: we don't have such things in linux, unnecessary
[03:23] <harold> bddebian: The hickup came when I attempted to follow the next step on that page, under Installing The Packages.
[03:23] <biovore> maxy_noob: not sure..
[03:23] <Tsunamii> nalioth, there's no codec folder in lib
[03:24] <Tsunamii> there's only python folders
[03:24] <DonL> maxy_noob, : you have to go to go to about:config
[03:24] <biovore> I think foxxy tune just changes the window size on the TCP subsystem
[03:24] <maxy_noob> ya, but what to change, DonL
[03:24] <cwillu> its just rebooting now;  it did that before as well (once or twice)
[03:24] <bddebian> harold: So the packages built OK?
[03:24] <cwillu> it comes up to the initial opening screen (press enter or type server, etc)
[03:24] <DonL> change :network.http.pipelining to true from false, then..
[03:24] <nalioth> Tsunamii: make one
[03:24] <cwillu> but it just restarts after that
[03:24] <nalioth> Tsunamii: and its "codecs"
[03:25] <Tsunamii> yeah
[03:25] <Tsunamii> will it automatically work?
[03:25] <DonL> change network.http.proxy.pipelining to true from false, then...
[03:25] <Tsunamii> how do i create folder via console?
[03:25] <Tsunamii> else i'll have to log in as root
[03:25] <tiglionabbit> Tsunamii: mkdir
[03:25] <Tsunamii> rgr
[03:25] <bddebian> cwillu: IF you can do it fast enough, try typing:  "linux acpi=off"
[03:25] <harold> bddebian: I guess, but they wouldn't install.
[03:25] <epohs> does anyone know about changing file permissions on mountpoints?
[03:25] <cwillu> I have plenty of time for that
[03:25] <bddebian> harold: What was/is the error?
[03:25] <cwillu> already tried it :)
[03:25] <cwillu> I can wait at that screen indefinately\
[03:25] <DonL> change network.http.pipelining.maxrequests to 30 from 4  (if you have broadband)
[03:26] <bddebian> cwillu: Are you replying to me?
[03:26] <cwillu> but as soon as I hit enter, it either reboots or gives me a kernel panic
[03:26] <cwillu> yes
[03:26] <Kyral> hmm
[03:26] <Tsunamii> ok
[03:26] <Tsunamii> time to put the files in
[03:26] <Kyral> would this command work....
[03:26] <nalioth> Tsunamii: now any program that needs codecs will look for them there
[03:26] <Tsunamii> ok
[03:26] <Tsunamii> now umm
[03:26] <Kyral> aptU && aptUI && sudo reboot...
[03:26] <Tsunamii> do i copy the folder in
[03:26] <cwillu> bddebian: yes
[03:26] <Tsunamii> or just the .dll files etc/
[03:26] <maxy_noob> DonL, done
[03:26] <nalioth> Tsunamii: just the individual files into the /codecs/ folder
[03:27] <Tsunamii> will do
[03:27] <Tsunamii> how do you paste via console? :P
[03:27] <Kyral> Shift+Ctrl+V
[03:27] <bddebian> cwillu: If you hit tab at the prompt, do you have any other options to boot from?
[03:27] <Tsunamii> no permission
[03:28] <nalioth> Tsunamii: you use the cp command
[03:28] <Tsunamii> h
[03:28] <Tsunamii> oh
[03:28] <Tsunamii> nvm
[03:28] <Tsunamii> thanks Kyral  :P
[03:28] <Tsunamii> oh wait
[03:28] <Tsunamii> permission denied
[03:28] <nalioth> Kyral: you didnt ask which console
[03:28] <cwillu> one sec
[03:28] <harold> bddebian: Something like this: "dpkg: error processing...cannot access archive: No such file or directory"
[03:28] <maxy_noob> is that it, DonL?
[03:28] <bddebian> Tsunamii: Sometimes a right-click will paste
[03:28] <Tsunamii> nope
[03:28] <Kyral> nalioth, eh?
[03:28] <Tsunamii> it's ghosted
[03:28] <Tsunamii> i'll have to login as root
[03:28] <Tsunamii> but
[03:28] <Tsunamii> the downloaded files are on my desktop
[03:28] <harold> bddebian: So it appears the package build didn't do its job completely.
[03:29] <DonL> maxy_noob, Another think I did was disable IPv6 in the network.dns.disable IPv6
[03:29] <maxy_noob> apt-get into it!
[03:29] <nalioth> harold: how diffecult would it be to upgrade to hoary?
[03:29] <maxy_noob> :D
[03:29] <maxy_noob> I like that wall
[03:29] <DonL> thing
[03:29] <Aragorn_guardian> very nice...
[03:29] <Aragorn_guardian> 8)
[03:29] <Aragorn_guardian> compiling works...ehehehe
[03:29] <nalioth> Aragorn_guardian: checkinstall is your friend
[03:29] <Aragorn_guardian> but is few dangerous...i know...
[03:29] <harold> nalioth: Not difficult, thanks to your and others help.  Just time consuming, and I'd really like to get my pccard going.
[03:29] <bddebian> harold: If you do an "ls" the file madwifi-toolsXXXX.deb" is in the directory that you are in?
[03:29] <Tsunamii> actually
[03:29] <nalioth> harold: you are not having much luck NOW
[03:29] <Tsunamii> i'll just set the permissions
[03:29] <Aragorn_guardian> yeah...even scite is in the repository... 8)
[03:30] <cwillu> bddebian:  I should qualify that:  I see it extract the images, it was giving me an corrupted image error before (I don't see it anymore)
[03:30] <harold> bddebian: You're helping alot, by the way - i mean it.
[03:30] <cwillu> if I hit tab, nothing happens
[03:30] <nalioth> harold: perhaps a newer ubuntu version might help with these fellows attentions
[03:30] <tiglionabbit> woo, I'm ready for some pain, bring on Gentoo!  *downloads*
[03:30] <maxy_noob> DonL, ok cool, thanks
[03:30] <nalioth> Tsunamii: use "sudo cp blah blah"
[03:30] <Ghetek> im trying to get ubuntu installed on a laptop and i want to get the screen resolution working right http://cdgenp01.csd.toshiba.com/content/product/pdf_files/detailed_specs/portege_7020ct.pdf#search='7020ct%20tft%20specs' this is the link to the pdf that has all the info on the screen and i am in the screen configuration utility now i just am having trouble deciphering all of this
[03:30] <nalioth> Tsunamii: you start messing with permissions, and things go wonky
[03:30] <DonL> maxy_noob, worked for me.
[03:30] <maxy_noob> seems a little better
[03:30] <bddebian> cwillu: You said that you tried a few different CDs?
[03:31] <Kyral> no touchy permissions
[03:31] <Tsunamii> lol
[03:31] <bddebian> OK, smoke break, brb
[03:31] <cwillu> yes
[03:31] <Tsunamii> but i'll chmod it back D:!
[03:31] <DonL> I've got company. Must go.
[03:31] <Tsunamii> it didn't work anyways :P
[03:31] <harold> bddebian: The madwifi-tools shows up in the debian directory that is created.
[03:31] <maxy_noob> DonL, hahahaha
[03:31] <DonL> See ya later!
[03:31] <maxy_noob> ok
[03:31] <Tsunamii> so where can i put the files somewhere that my root account can access?
[03:31] <harold> bddebian: Enjoy your smoke; I'
[03:31] <maxy_noob> ciao
[03:31] <cwillu> 3 ubuntu's (image was md5'd), one burned at 1x, two different brands, and an old knoppix I had lying around
[03:31] <Tsunamii> oh cp
[03:31] <bddebian> harold: The .deb files?
[03:31] <harold> bddebian: I'll explain later.
[03:31] <Tsunamii> what about paste?
[03:31] <Tsunamii> i've already copied via GUI
[03:31] <nalioth> Tsunamii: use "sudo cp * /usr/local/lib/codecs"
[03:31] <bddebian> cwillu: Have you tried a live-cd just to see if it boots?
[03:31] <Tsunamii> ok
[03:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know why after installing a harddrive and setting it up i can't wright to it?
[03:32] <harold> bddebian: There's a debian directory created in the madwifi-1.6 dirctory...
[03:32] <cwillu> knoppix is a live cd
[03:32] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: It'smounted read-only ?
[03:32] <nalioth> Tsunamii: you can only use copy/paste in the gui if you opened the gui as root (WHICH IS VERY NOT ADVISED)
[03:32] <harold> bddebian: But as far as I can see, the compile did not create...
[03:32] <Tsunamii> ah
[03:32] <bddebian> cwillu: Whoops missed that you said that, sorry
[03:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no it's mounted (rw)
[03:32] <cwillu> this is dying before I get any of the usual [ok]  stuff
[03:32] <cwillu> :)
[03:32] <nalioth> bddebian: can you help ChurcH_of_FoamY ?
[03:32] <Tsunamii> is there a way to cp all files?
[03:32] <harold> bddebian: ...the .deb file that I'm supposed to install.
[03:32] <nalioth> Tsunamii: i just showed you
[03:32] <Aragorn_guardian> ubuntu device database is a nice peace of work....
[03:32] <bddebian> harold: The /debian directory is for building the package
[03:32] <Tsunamii> cp blah blah blah ?
[03:32] <harold> bddebian: As far as I can tell, but I'm not even certain where I'm supposed to look.
[03:32] <Aragorn_guardian> very useful
[03:33] <harold> bddebian: okay
[03:33] <nalioth> Tsunamii: in a terminal, cd into the expanded donwloaded codec directory, and run that command
[03:33] <Aragorn_guardian> my system poped in front of me...working...ehehehe
[03:33] <zenlunatic> help i think someone has broken into my system and i don't know how to tell. firestarter says 7 incoming connections
[03:33] <cwillu> I tried _under_clocking_ the machine (bus and cpu), turned off the l1/2 caching;  decompressing took a while, but it still crashed
[03:33] <Tsunamii> righto
[03:33] <virgule> anyone using kmail on fluxbox in here?
[03:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> boy that godsmoke guy in kubuntu keeps calling me a retard >.<
[03:33] <bddebian> harold: In the madwifie-1.6 directory do an "ls *.deb"
[03:33] <nalioth> Tsunamii: i actually sent you the exact command to use
[03:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what is his problem with me?
[03:33] <harold> bddebia:  See, the instructions on that page say to cd into madwifi-1.6 and run dpkg -i madwifi-source_20040619_all.deb
[03:33] <harold>   dpkg -i madwifi-tools_20040619_i386.deb
[03:33] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: ignore him
[03:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i did
[03:34] <harold> bddebian: One sec...
[03:34] <Tsunamii> missing destination files
[03:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and buy the way why can't i wright to the hard drive i set up?
[03:34] <bddebian> nalioth: Do you know if we have fsysopts somewhere?
[03:34] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: we are all retards. i'm the king of them
[03:34] <harold> bddebian: No such file
[03:34] <Tsunamii> rather weird
[03:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^ lol
[03:34] <hondje> so
[03:34] <virgule> then im 2nd
[03:34] <Tsunamii> i'm in the dir of the files, and did the cp command
[03:34] <nalioth> bddebian: i have no clue what that even is
[03:34] <bddebian> harold: Then the dpkg-buildpackage must have failed
[03:34] <Tsunamii> but it asks for destination files
[03:34] <hondje> why does that link in the forum at the top right say ubuntu.com, and link to ubuntulinux.org?
[03:34] <bddebian> nalioth: Never mind :-)
[03:34] <harold> bddebian: I guess
[03:35] <harold> bddebian: I followed the instruction on that page to the tee.
[03:35] <tjrtjiceGa> hondje: isnt it the same thing?
[03:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um what just happend?
[03:35] <nalioth> Tsunamii: use "sudo cp * /usr/local/lib/codecs/"     <<<< try that
[03:35] <bddebian> harold: Go into the madwifi directory again and run the "fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage" again
[03:35] <Kyral> ChurcH_of_FoamY, what did you format it in?
[03:35] <Tsunamii> yeah
[03:35] <Tsunamii> doesn't work
[03:35] <bddebian> harold: And let me know the errors
[03:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ext3
[03:35] <Tsunamii> missing destination files
[03:35] <Kyral> icky
[03:35] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: What is the error?
[03:35] <Tsunamii> wait
[03:35] <Tsunamii> it says omitting directory
[03:35] <Kyral> I never got my Ext3 2nd HD to work
[03:36] <nalioth> bddebian: start with ChurcH_of_FoamY as if he just bought a new HD
[03:36] <bddebian> cwillu: Sorry, I'm having a hard time keeping up.  Do you have any "strange" cards in there?
[03:36] <Kyral> so I formatted it in FAT32 :P
[03:36] <Tsunamii> :(
[03:36] <harold> bddebian: It begins the process...
[03:36] <cwillu> brand new machine, only card in it is a radeon 7250
[03:36] <hondje> tjrtjiceGa: It doesn't redirect, it's actually anchored to ubuntulinux.org
[03:36] <Kyral> used the fstab to Force it into being writable by everyone
[03:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the error is access denied to /home/shane/attic/STORAGE
[03:36] <nalioth> Tsunamii: cd into /usr/local/lib/codecs/
[03:36] <tjrtjiceGa> same thing, I dont get your point, nm.
[03:36] <nalioth> Tsunamii: and run this: "ls"
[03:36] <cwillu> bddebian:  it has onboard net/sound (both disabled), sata (can't find a way to disable, but nothing plugged into it)
[03:36] <Tsunamii> done
[03:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and then it stops the file transfer
[03:36] <Tsunamii> done
[03:37] <harold> bddebian:...when it gets to dpkg-checkbuilddeps, it prints "Unment dependencies: sysutils"
[03:37] <Kyral> yah
[03:37] <nalioth> Tsunamii: what did it say?
[03:37] <tuks> Does anyone know where the inet1.conf is in ubuntu?
[03:37] <cwillu> 1 gig of 512ddr
[03:37] <Tsunamii> nothing
[03:37] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Doing what?  Do you get the same error if you use the command with sudo?
[03:37] <Tsunamii> it just went to another line
[03:37] <harold> bddebian: ...then...
[03:37] <Kyral> ChurcH_of_FoamY,  format it in FAT32
[03:37] <bddebian> harold: Ahh
[03:37] <bddebian> harold: "apt-get build-dep madwifi
[03:37] <bddebian> "
[03:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hold on one at a time heads gonna go poof >.<
[03:37] <Aragorn_guardian> i need more tools to admin the servers...like apache, samba, etc...there are tools in ubuntu for that?
[03:37] <harold> bddebian: Will do.  Got have a smoke!
[03:37] <nalioth> Tsunamii: run this: "sudo cp /path/to/downloaded/codecs/* ./"
[03:37] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Tell me about it :-)
[03:37] <harold> bddebian: You shouldn't smoke, by the way.  That's kills.
[03:38] <bddebian> tuks: What is looking for that?
[03:38] <nalioth> Aragorn_guardian: yes
[03:38] <Ghetek> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg wont let me get 1024x768 @ 85 mhz
[03:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no it starts to transfer the data and then after like 10 min it stops
[03:38] <harold> bddebian: I had to quit smoking.
[03:38] <tuks> Me.
[03:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and gives all sorts of access errors
[03:38] <bddebian> harold: I should
[03:38] <virgule> smoking one pack per day is more expensive than a new car loan
[03:38] <bddebian> tuks: I mean is some package looking for it
[03:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> all i want to do is dump a 32.2 gig file on it
[03:38] <tuks> No...
[03:38] <bddebian> virgule: Tell me something I DON"T know :-)
[03:38] <Kyral> ChurcH_of_FoamY, format it into FAT32
[03:38] <harold> bddebian: You should.
[03:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> why i just made it ntfs
[03:38] <tuks> It's the file that I need to edit to get internet working...
[03:38] <bddebian> tuks: Do this:  "sudo find / -name inetl.conf"
[03:38] <tuks> in slackware.
[03:38] <Kyral> ....
[03:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i don't understand >.<
[03:39] <bddebian> NTFS?? WTF?
[03:39] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: NTFS and linux dont go together
[03:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i meant ext3
[03:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[03:39] <Kyral> You made it NTFS and NOW are asking why you cannot write to it?!
[03:39] <bddebian> tuks: Slackware?
[03:39] <cwillu> lol :)
[03:39] <virgule> yep.. its like bear and chocolate
[03:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> getting confused here lol >.<
[03:39] <tuks> Another version of linux.
[03:39] <neosnightmare> lol
[03:39] <Kyral> /dev/sda1       /media/anime    vfat    rw,auto,user,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0000 0 0        0       0 <---That line got my HD working when I used FAT32
[03:39] <virgule> beer*
[03:39] <tuks> Internet works in ubuntu, but not slackware.
[03:39] <harold> bddebian: "Unable to find a source package for madwifi"
[03:39] <dszabo> question: why won't skype version 1.1.0.20 work on Ubuntu but will work on MEPIS?
[03:39] <tuks> So I want my ubuntu file as a reference.
[03:39] <Ghetek> i change my xserver stuff and it just goes back to 640x480...
[03:39] <bddebian> cwillu: Can you yank out the SATA controller or is it embedded?
[03:39] <cwillu> everything's on the mb
[03:40] <nalioth> harold: i really suggest you upgrade to hoary
[03:40] <Kyral> replace /dev/sda1 and /media/anime with your respective things
[03:40] <Tsunamii> nalioth, cp: omitting directory `/home/tsunamii/Desktop/Downloads/codecs'
[03:40] <cwillu> bddebian:  I suppose I could look for a jumper
[03:40] <bddebian> tuks: Oh, try that command.  Or you probably need to look at /etc/network/interfaces
[03:40] <bddebian> cwillu: Are you sure the IDE stuff isn't on it?
[03:40] <tuks> Ok... thanks.
[03:40] <harold> nalioth: I've already burned the CD of Hoary; is that the fastest way?  The fastest?
[03:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> waits in line
[03:40] <cwillu> yes
[03:40] <nalioth> Tsunamii: i'm sorry, i must be tired
[03:40] <Tsunamii> lol
[03:40] <Kyral> ChurcH_of_FoamY,
[03:40] <Tsunamii> i'll find a way to do it via root account
[03:40] <cwillu> the normal bios picks up the hd and cd, there's a second bios post that shows nothing
[03:40] <Kyral> PM me for help
[03:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes?
[03:41] <nalioth> guys, how to you copy files in the terminal???? tell >>> Tsunamii
[03:41] <Aragorn_guardian> nalioth: what ones?
[03:41] <zenlunatic> what is sun-RPC portmap in firestarter mean?
[03:41] <nalioth> Tsunamii: you can use sudo
[03:41] <Kyral> cp <source file> <dest file>
[03:41] <Tsunamii> yeah, but i'm in the root terminal - so no need for sudo command
[03:41] <bddebian> Uhm cp
[03:41] <Tsunamii> i'll try that Kyral
[03:41] <harold> nalioth: I BitTorrented Hoary a week ago, but I had already picked up a copy of Warty about 6 months ago at SoCal Linux Expo.
[03:41] <dszabo> Why won't Skype work on Ubuntu? I've tried the Debian and tar.bz2 install...
[03:42] <harold> bddebian: Need a break?
[03:42] <bddebian> harold: You might want to try the Hoary if you have it
[03:42] <neoliminal> Hi, I'm trying to install and the only problem is when I try to log in the pointer freezes.  Is this a known problem?
[03:42] <Tsunamii> doesn't work $%&*(
[03:42] <nalioth> harold: put the cd in the machine (you do have a cd drive, right?) and open a terminal and type "apt-cdrom"
[03:42] <Tsunamii> keep saying omitting direcory
[03:42] <harold> nalioth: Nope
[03:42] <CarlK> dszabo - forget skype - use something standard and opensource like kphone
[03:42] <flodine> can someone tell me how to change xclock theme
[03:42] <bddebian> tsume: Show me the command you typed
[03:42] <dszabo> ok
[03:42] <Tsunamii> meh, i'll just put it on my usb flash disk
[03:42] <cwillu> bddebian:  sata's built into the southbridge though... dunno what all that affects
[03:42] <nalioth> Kyral: send those backport urls again, please
[03:42] <harold> nalioth: Actually, I've been networking it to another old Mac which has a CD drive.  It's worked after some serious, as you say, Voodoo.
[03:43] <bddebian> cwillu: SATA shouldn't be a problem.
[03:43] <nalioths_dog> Tsunamii: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:43] <Kyral> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[03:43] <skora> dszabo, if you're still willing to use skype, i'd use the ubuntuguide's sugggestion
[03:43] <Kyral> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted <---Add those to your source.list Tsunamii
[03:43] <cwillu> bddebian:  which is good to hear, seeing as I can't turn it off :)
[03:43] <CarlK> dszabo - there are a bunch of sip and h232 phones - sip is "better"
[03:43] <nalioth> harold: either way, you want to do it
[03:43] <neoliminal> anyone?
[03:43] <nalioth> harold: i think having a newer version may help you
[03:43] <bddebian> harold: Well you could try apt-get install sysutils, then try the dpkg-buildpackage again
[03:43] <Tsunamii> ok Kyral
[03:43] <pauldaoust> hey folks, has anyone dabbled in lm-sensors?
[03:43] <Tsunamii> where's my source list?
[03:43] <skora> /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:43] <Kyral> which sources.list :P
[03:43] <bddebian> neoliminal: ?
[03:43] <skora> requires root
[03:43] <harold> bddebian: I'm getting this; I was think that...so I'll try...
[03:43] <nalioth> Tsunamii: follow the dogs inst with Kyral URLs
[03:44] <pauldaoust> my compy sez it's running at 75C, but that's crazy; I've never heard of an Athlon 1600+ running that hot
[03:44] <neoliminal> I have just installed ubuntu, and when I try to log in, the pointer freezes.
[03:44] <nalioth> Tsunamii: read the nalioths_dog instructions
[03:44] <Tsunamii> hey ?
[03:44] <pauldaoust> (mind you, I am converting FLACs to MP3s, but even when I'm not, the temp hovers around 68-70C)
[03:44] <harold> bddebian: It's installing sysutils.
[03:44] <Tsunamii> i'll just change the source.list - i've done it before :P
[03:44] <nickrud> Tsunamii I believe I usually get that 'directory' omitted when a wildcard copy includes a directory, but I didn't tell cp to recurse through directories
[03:44] <merriam> pauldaoust: I've run my 900 MHz Thunderbird over 90 C.
[03:45] <pauldaoust> merriam: wow. how?
[03:45] <merriam> The fan stopped.
[03:45] <pauldaoust> I personally think I just need to calibrate sensors.conf or soemthing, but I haven't found a resource that gives any recommendations.
[03:45] <skora> tsunamii, did you update your list ?
[03:45] <pauldaoust> merriam: ah :)
[03:45] <Tsunamii> yeah
[03:45] <dszabo> SIP doesn't work very well on my connection
[03:45] <skora> you have to update it via the command: apt-get update
[03:45] <Tsunamii> in snaptic
[03:45] <pauldaoust> merriam: mine makes nasty noises, but it seems to be okay, and I can touch the heatsink without any pain or burns
[03:45] <Tsunamii> did that already skora
[03:45] <skora> k
[03:45] <zenlunatic> what is "sun rpc portmap" anyone?
[03:45] <neoliminal> anyone?
[03:45] <neoliminal> :(
[03:46] <pauldaoust> zenlunatic: terrible virus!
[03:46] <harold> bddebian: Did both...
[03:46] <pauldaoust> zenlunatic: don't know, but is it running on your Ubuntu system?
[03:46] <bddebian> zenlunatic: Where are you getting that?
[03:46] <zenlunatic> pauldaoust: stop messing
[03:46] <eternale1> i've been a loyal gentoo user for about two years but had some major help setting it up... i must say im very impressed with ubuntu i got pretty much everything i needed up and running already
[03:46] <zenlunatic> pauldaoust: yes
[03:46] <zenlunatic> bddebian: in firestarter im getting that
[03:46] <pauldaoust> zenlunatic: and where do you see it? netcat?
[03:46] <Tsunamii> Kyral, after that, apt-get win32codecs?
[03:46] <bddebian> neoliminal: Anyone what?  Just ask a question if you have one
[03:46] <eternale1> with a little bit of help from you guys, btw very nice community
[03:46] <cwillu> neoliminal:  can you hit ctrl+alt+1?
[03:46] <bddebian> zenlunatic: It might be looking for sockets
[03:46] <cwillu> he did :p
[03:46] <neoliminal> I'll try cwillu
[03:46] <Jimbob> zenlunatic: portmap is a daemon used for NFS network mounts
[03:46] <Kyral> sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[03:47] <skora> thanks eternale1
[03:47] <Tsunamii> k
[03:47] <nickrud> neoliminal maybe the end of /var/log/Xorg.0.log will have some useful errors
[03:47] <pauldaoust> zenlunatic: sorry, I can't read :)
[03:47] <eternale1> :D
[03:47] <zenlunatic> Jimbob: could it be someone breaking in?
[03:47] <bddebian> neoliminal: Sorry, too many questions flying about.. :-)
[03:47] <cwillu> neoliminal:  should flash you to a terminal screen
[03:47] <cwillu> I'll try to help him dbddebian :)
[03:47] <Jimbob> zenlunatic: Doubtful
[03:47] <neoliminal> I'm on terminal screen.
[03:47] <harold> bddebian: I believe I'm going to install Hoary.
[03:47] <neoliminal> and now I can log in.
[03:47] <pauldaoust> zenlunatic: I wouldn't turn it on; it sounds really unnecessary. However, I'd also expect that if you left it open, there's no service on your Ubuntu computer that would be listening on that port anyway... however, you want to close up any unused ports to avoid SYN floods
[03:48] <Tsunamii> didn't work Kyral =(
[03:48] <Jimbob> zenlunatic: Just shutdown portmap and you'll be fine.
[03:48] <Tsunamii> couldn't find package w32codecs
[03:48] <Tsunamii> how do you download it? ;o
[03:48] <Jimbob> sudo /etc/init.d/portmap stop
[03:48] <cwillu> neoliminal:  okay
[03:48] <harold> bddebia: Thanks for your help; I do appreciate your time.
[03:48] <neoliminal> cwillu: how do I get to graphical interface now?
[03:48] <cwillu> neoliminal:  hit alt+7
[03:48] <neoliminal> ok
[03:48] <bddebian> harold: OK, sorry man
[03:48] <cwillu> neoliminal: should take you back to the frozen screen, or perhaps just a black screen:  let me know
[03:48] <Kyral> Hmm
[03:48] <merriam> pauldaoust: You'll need portmap if you want to use nfs.
[03:48] <harold> bddebian: Nah, don't be.  I've learned a trick or two...
[03:48] <neoliminal> cwillu: frozen screen
[03:48] <Kyral> WTF mate, I'm finding it
[03:48] <cwillu> okay
[03:48] <Tsunamii> lol
[03:49] <Kyral> try this
[03:49] <cwillu> neoliminal:  hit ctrl +alt+backspace
[03:49] <Kyral> apt-cache search w32codecs
[03:49] <harold> bddebian: ...but since yesterday I've been told that I should give Hoary a shot.
[03:49] <tjrtjiceGa> Kyral: you have, and he does not backports.
[03:49] <pauldaoust> merriam: oh, I'll keep my mouth shut ^_^ I didn't know it was needed for NFS... I figured, 'Sun RPC' -- superfluous
[03:49] <neoliminal> cwillu:ok, now back at login
[03:49] <harold> bddebian: I just wanted to get that wireless card going before taking the time with installing Hoary.
[03:49] <cwillu> okay
[03:49] <bddebian> harold: Good persistance :-)
[03:49] <cwillu> can you move mouse?
[03:49] <Kyral> oyah, Tsunamii, did you do a sudo apt-get update after adding those lines to your sources.list?
[03:49] <neoliminal> let me check
[03:49] <tiglionabbit> hey guys, what's a good way to find the size of a directory, including all subdirectories in it?
[03:49] <Tsunamii> yeah, just did it - works now :P
[03:50] <Tsunamii> sorry
[03:50] <ed1t> where do i go in ubuntu to get the gnome themes?
[03:50] <Tsunamii> i'm a nub :P
[03:50] <Kyral> sokay :D
[03:50] <pauldaoust> WOW
[03:50] <neoliminal> cwillu: nope... and the mouse is not "on".
[03:50] <Kyral> I forgot to do that today :P
[03:50] <cwillu> can you type?
[03:50] <merriam> pauldaoust, zenlunatic: portmap isn't necessary for most users as far as I know.  I use it because I use nfs.
[03:50] <Tsunamii> so now when i watch divx encoded .avi - it should automagically work?
[03:50] <pauldaoust> I'm cooking my computer!!! It really is as hot as it says it is: 76C
[03:50] <pauldaoust> it's really hot to the touch
[03:50] <Kyral> Yah
[03:50] <tjrtjiceGa> ed1t: gnome-look.org and art.gnome.org
[03:50] <neoliminal> cwillu: yes!
[03:50] <Tsunamii> i am god.
[03:50] <cwillu> hmm
[03:50] <skora> ed1t, do you want to access them in your desktop ?
[03:50] <cwillu> what type of mouse?
[03:50] <cubicool> is libpng12-dev not available?
[03:50] <seth_k> Tsunamii: God uses BSD.
[03:50] <cwillu> usb or ps2?
[03:50] <neoliminal> usb
[03:51] <Tsunamii> lol
[03:51] <tjrtjiceGa> -+
[03:51] <ed1t> skora, yea i guess
[03:51] <merriam> pauldaoust: 76 C isn't an emergency, but it's good to keep it under 60 C most of the time.
[03:51] <bddebian> seth_k: No, God uses GNU/Hurd ;-P
[03:51] <neoliminal> keyboard is not usb
[03:51] <harold> bddebian: One thing - I've been googling this, and I can't seem to find the repository I should add to get this package (that I've been mentioning): http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/linux-wlan-ng
[03:51] <skora> okie,
[03:51] <pauldaoust> well, I guess I need a new cooling fan...
[03:51] <Tsunamii> ok, now that this works - gotta find some time to emulate windows properly
[03:51] <tiglionabbit> ah, du -sh
[03:51] <Kyral> umm
[03:51] <Kyral> WHY
[03:51] <Tsunamii> wine is dodgy :p
[03:51] <cwillu> neoliminal:  try it on a different port (might give it a reset too)
[03:51] <harold> bddebian: Any idea where I can find that info.?
[03:51] <pauldaoust> merriam: really? I know the Athlon64 my brother bought (lucky bastard) has a max operating temp of 70
[03:51] <bddebian> harold: Well I know it is in breezy.  It might be in Hoary too
[03:51] <Kyral> Why need to emulate Windows?
[03:51] <Tsunamii> to run window programs? D:!
[03:51] <neoliminal> cwillu: did that.
[03:51] <Kyral> I know I use Cedega to play games, but thats IT
[03:51] <Tsunamii> but that costs money D:!
[03:51] <cwillu> bddebian:  you aren't under the impression that stallman is god, are you?  :P
[03:51] <Kyral> Tsunamii, name a windows program you need
[03:51] <bddebian> harold: Do you have universe and multiverse in your sources.list?
[03:52] <Tsunamii> steam
[03:52] <harold> bddebian: Really?  Well, I guess there's another reason to be upgrading.
[03:52] <Tsunamii> half life
[03:52] <bddebian> cwillu: Hell no
[03:52] <Tsunamii> photoshop
[03:52] <skora> ed1t, go to the top, and then click on system, preferences, and then theme
[03:52] <cwillu> neoliminal:  okay, flip back to the console
[03:52] <Kyral> Cedega for the first two
[03:52] <skora> Tsunamii, there's the GIMP...hehe
[03:52] <Kyral> GIMP for Photoshop :D
[03:52] <Tsunamii> Cedega = $$ ?
[03:52] <neoliminal> cwillu:what's the command for that again?
[03:52] <cwillu> neoliminal:  log in, and type 'dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server
[03:52] <cwillu> ctrl+alt+1
[03:52] <gbic> try cvscedega
[03:52] <merriam> pauldaoust: different processors.  You could look up the spec for yours...
[03:52] <rob^> !java
[03:52] <skora> althoug this page is outdated, look at this one - http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml
[03:52] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java
[03:52] <epohs> i have a question reguarding anonymous ftp and permissions that probably wouldn't take too long to answer.  would anyone be willing to help for a minute or two?
[03:52] <harold> bddebian: I have the universe ones, but not the multiverse.
[03:53] <Kyral> Cedega == $5 month
[03:53] <pauldaoust> merriam: ah, I thought it was a limitation of the materials themselves (i.e., silicon)
[03:53] <skora> ed1t, did you find it ?
[03:53] <merriam> pauldaoust: but yes, get a good fan and heat sink.
[03:53] <seth_k> hmm, ubotu has an extra slash in the java url
[03:53] <Kyral> for 3 months
[03:53] <bddebian> harold: You could try multiverse, but I would really try hoary.  I had some install problems on my Thinkpad with Warty and when I installed Hoary it was aOK
[03:53] <ed1t> skora, yea wat file shall i point it to? i downloaded one
[03:53] <ed1t> i mean which file
[03:53] <neoliminal> cwillu: it wants me to be root
[03:53] <pauldaoust> merriam: no kidding... I have a bit of $ to play around with; maybe I'll look into one of those ones that run cool and quiet
[03:53] <Kyral> after three months, you can stop subscribing if you want
[03:53] <cwillu> sorry
[03:53] <cwillu> put a \'sudo' before that
[03:53] <seth_k> ubotu forget java
[03:53] <ubotu> i forgot java, seth_k
[03:53] <cwillu> ignoring the slash
[03:54] <seth_k> ubotu java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[03:54] <ubotu> okay, seth_k
[03:54] <pauldaoust> well, ta, folks; I'm going for supper
[03:54] <cwillu> and then it's just the normal password
[03:54] <Kyral> and tis WORTH it
[03:54] <skora> ed1t, you have to extract your theme, which is compressed in a .tar format, most likely
[03:54] <Aragorn_guardian> gonna home....till tomorrow...thanks all
[03:54] <ed1t> i did that,
[03:54] <skora> ok
[03:54] <merriam> pauldaoust: I have a quiet box here with a cheap copper heat sink and a 12 V fan running on 5 V.
[03:54] <neoliminal> cwillu: xorg-server is not installed
[03:54] <nickrud> cwillu neoliminal not to butt in, but it'x dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:54] <nalioths_dog> seth_k: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[03:54] <harold> bddebian: Do you think upgrading to Hoary may also fix the display issue I'm having?  I'm in the terminal, and it displays multiples of the terminal (and flickers).  Others with PowerBook installs of Ubuntu have had this issue...
[03:54] <skora> go to install theme and direct it to the location you extracted it to
[03:55] <cwillu> nickrud:  thanks
[03:55] <cwillu> always get that backwords :p
[03:55] <neoliminal> ok
[03:55] <bddebian> harold: It could, though I don't have much experience with Ubuntu on OldWorlds.  Just Debian.
[03:55] <nickrud> cwillu np, I've typed that a zillion times over the last few months :)
[03:55] <cwillu> lol
[03:55] <neoliminal> cwillu it's asking about video hardware
[03:55] <ed1t> skora, it says invalid file format
[03:55] <cwillu> just keep hitting enter
[03:55] <mpm> hullo; anyone know how I might try and make cd-audio burned under say gnomebaker more readable by an older cd-player that will read many cd-rs but not all?
[03:55] <eternale1> does gnome have a keys file like fluxbox?
[03:56] <cwillu> slowing up if you see something about the mouse, and make sure those look sensible
[03:56] <virgule> gnome-keybinding-properties?
[03:56] <epohs> is it possible to mount with different permissions than the source?
[03:56] <neoliminal> cwillu: ok, at the mouse thing
[03:57] <skora> ed1t, what format is it in ?
[03:57] <harold> bddebian: Thanks; I'm going to try that repository and then upgrade to Hoary one of these days.
[03:57] <cwillu> what's it defaulting to?
[03:57] <bddebian> harold: :-)
[03:57] <dszabo> Question about Skype (again)
[03:57] <ed1t> skora, i dont understand, coz i extracted all the file in the folder download
[03:57] <bddebian> harold: If you have a connection, just change your sources.list to point to Hoary and then do "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and BAM, you have Hoary ;-P
[03:57] <ed1t> so there is a folder DLfun, there are like bunch of files
[03:58] <epohs> the -uid option doesn't work with ext3, right?
[03:58] <ed1t> which file shall i point it to?
[03:58] <skora> what extensions do they have ?
[03:58] <eternale1> where would i find this gnome-keybinding-properties
[03:58] <skora> probably to index.theme
[03:58] <skora> if there's such a file in there
[03:58] <skora> where did you get the theme from ?
[03:58] <jedix> can someone tell me how to resize my desktop so that I can see all four corners?  I have my box hooked up to my hdtv
[03:58] <ed1t> gnome.org
[03:58] <neoliminal> cwillu: it has several options
[03:58] <ed1t> skora, http://art.gnome.org/themes/gdm_greeter/1046
[03:58] <neoliminal> asking for mouse port
[03:59] <poningru> anyone know why my xchat wont use unicode?
[03:59] <Tsunamii> what the? it doesn't work - i'm using aviplay - but there's still no sound for the .avi :(
[03:59] <ed1t> am i downloadin it right?
[03:59] <pinko> question on operamotifwrapper: what does it do?
[03:59] <Kyral> Tsunamii, sudo apt-get install xine-ui totem-xine
[03:59] <Tsunamii> rgr
[03:59] <virgule> Ghetek: put a Modeline line in xorg.conf.. thats what solved my resolution issues
[03:59] <Tsunamii> couldn't find package
[04:00] <Tsunamii> lol
[04:00] <Ghetek> modeline?
[04:00] <cwillu> neoliminal:  one sec so I can find a box I can do the same thing so I can see what options you have so I can tell you what might be a valid option :)
[04:00] <Kyral> !info xine-ui
[04:00] <ubotu> xine-ui: (the xine video player, user interface), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.99.3-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1669 kB, Installed size: 3364 kB
[04:00] <virgule> yep.. this goes in Monitor Section... use gtf to generate the line
[04:00] <Ghetek> virgule: what is a modeline
[04:00] <virgule> IE: gtf 1024 768 70
[04:00] <Tsunamii> nvm
[04:00] <Tsunamii> got it
[04:00] <Tsunamii> typed it wrong :p
[04:00] <Tsunamii> my bad
[04:00] <zenlunatic> is # tcpdump -vv -X a bad command to run?
[04:00] <Ghetek>  virgule: can you baby step me a bit
[04:00] <skora> ed1t, on the comments there, it does say that another person had a problem with that SVG file extension
[04:00] <Kyral> !info totem-xine
[04:00] <virgule> sure ;).. PM
[04:00] <ubotu> totem-xine: (A simple media player for the Gnome desktop based on xine), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 633 kB, Installed size: 3788 kB
[04:00] <Tsunamii> ah, i better comment the line again back in sources.list
[04:00] <Tsunamii> Kyral, dw, i got it :P
[04:00] <Kyral> lol
[04:00] <ed1t> ooo
[04:01] <cwillu> neoliminal:  did you get "attempt mouse autodetection"?
[04:02] <Tsunamii> you're my hero Kyral
[04:02] <Tsunamii> bbl
[04:02] <neoliminal> cwillu yes
[04:02] <Kyral> I enjoy what I do
[04:02] <cwillu> which did you say?
[04:02] <neoliminal> cwillu: I started over
[04:02] <neoliminal> I can pick either yes or no there.
[04:02] <skora> ed1t, i've never worked with that file type before [svg] 
[04:02] <Kyral> I swear, I'm getting into heaven by helping people here
[04:02] <skora> Kyral, it's the karma boost ^_^
[04:02] <jedix> that counts?
[04:03] <jedix> I thought mythtv was in a repository
[04:03] <cwillu> neoliminal:  auto-detect, and then I think it shoudl be /dev/input/mice
[04:03] <Kyral> !info mythtv
[04:03] <ubotu> mythtv: (A personal video recorder application (client and server)), section multiverse/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.17-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 64 kB
[04:03] <drew> can anyone here help me compile the GAIM source and install the autoprofile plugin?
[04:03] <bimberi> jedix: It's in multiverse
[04:03] <jedix> okay
[04:03] <neoliminal> cwillu: Yes, it says dev/input/mice
[04:04] <neoliminal> should I try that?
[04:04] <jedix> how do I add that to my apt source?
[04:04] <bimberi> !repositories
[04:04] <ubotu> it has been said that repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:04] <cwillu> okay
[04:04] <cwillu> keep hitting entre
[04:04] <cwillu> the rest of the settings (3button, scroll events) shouldn't matter
[04:04] <bimberi> jedix: See ubotu's answer (above)
[04:04] <neoliminal> ok, now on  modules to load
[04:04] <ed1t> skora, u know where to fine more ubuntu backgrounds?
[04:04] <cwillu> enter enter enter
[04:05] <Kyral> art.gnome.org
[04:05] <skora> ed1t, for the log in manager ?
[04:05] <Kyral> www.gnome-look.org
[04:05] <cwillu> yay for ssh :)
[04:05] <ed1t> skora, no for desktop background
[04:05] <jedix> thanks
[04:05] <neoliminal> cwillu: ok, now it's done
[04:05] <neoliminal> now what?
[04:05] <eno> stupid question: what is kubuntu?
[04:05] <bimberi> np :)
[04:05] <cwillu> alt+7
[04:05] <cwillu> ctrl+alt+backspace
[04:06] <cwillu> and see if you have a mouse
[04:06] <bimberi> eno: ubuntu with kde instead of gnome
[04:06] <Kyral> eno, Ubuntu with KDE installed instead
[04:06] <eno> oh, no big deal then
[04:06] <skora> well
[04:06] <eno> KDE is cool though . . .
[04:06] <neoliminal> cwillu  :(   no joy
[04:06] <cwillu> okay
[04:06] <slipaway172> not quite
[04:06] <skora> there's deviantart.com and more importantly, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1940
[04:06] <cwillu> neoliminal:  I dont' know that this will make any difference
[04:07] <cwillu> neoliminal:  but go into the bios and see if you can see 'enable legacy usb support'
[04:07] <slipaway172> but kde is still buggy ( kubuntu) compared to gnome (ubuntu)
[04:07] <neoliminal> cwillu:  the usb doesn't seem to even be powering the mouse... there's not red light in the mouse
[04:07] <neoliminal> ok
[04:07] <eno> isn't kde what knoppix runs on?
[04:07] <slipaway172> no power
[04:07] <eno> cause I love knoppix
[04:07] <cwillu> neoliminal:  does it flashy when you reboot?
[04:07] <kcburyshaker> hello   i am brand new to ubuntu  and just got it installed  i need help!
[04:07] <Kyral> Knoppix uses KDE
[04:07] <bimberi> eno: yes
[04:07] <neoliminal> yes
[04:07] <cwillu> flash even?
[04:07] <eno> yeah that's why I like KDE
[04:07] <neoliminal> cwillu: it does yes.
[04:07] <cwillu> okay, check the legacy, make sure the usb controller is actually turned on\
[04:08] <cwillu> it's weird though, cause it does seem to detect it
[04:08] <kcburyshaker> i clicked the red update button in the top right corner  but it is downloading REALLY slow   is there something wrong
[04:08] <kcburyshaker> i have a fast cable connection
[04:08] <slipaway172> neoliminal, your mobo is not giving your mouse power. use another mouse to see if the mouse is having problems or if the ps2 port is dead?
[04:08] <neoliminal> USB is set to "auto"
[04:09] <cwillu> is legacy on?
[04:09] <neoliminal> set to enabled?
[04:09] <neoliminal> Auto
[04:09] <slipaway172> sounds like defected hardware along the line
[04:09] <neoliminal> I can set it to enabled instead
[04:09] <cwillu> neoliminal:  set legacy on as well
[04:09] <neoliminal> ok
[04:09] <cwillu> it may not be in the same menu
[04:10] <eternale1> shoot i thuoght i was removing the window panel object instead the whole panel died
[04:10] <eternale1> weather not window
[04:10] <neoliminal> cwillu:  wait.... there's USB Legacy Support and what else?
[04:10] <cwillu> hmm?
[04:10] <cwillu> usb controller, and legacy support
[04:11] <eternale1> now i can't get the bar at the top to come back
[04:11] <tjrtjiceGa> killall gnome-panel
[04:11] <cwillu> controller absolutely needs to be on, usb support may merely need to be on
[04:11] <eternale1> i did that
[04:11] <neoliminal> ok
[04:11] <Kyral> kcburyshaker, is mozilla updating by anychance?
[04:11] <neoliminal> cwillu: ok, trying
[04:12] <cwillu> k
[04:12] <tjrtjiceGa> right click on a panel and add panel
[04:12] <Kyral> somethings take a LONG time to download for some reason
[04:12] <tjrtjiceGa> agreed
[04:12] <kcburyshaker> kyral   it is on the list   but the servers it is trying to download from are REALLY slow
[04:12] <neoliminal> mouse is lit up... (as normal)
[04:12] <cwillu> neoliminal:  failing that, try plugging it into another machine, make sure it actually works :)
[04:12] <kcburyshaker> i think im doing maybe 3.5 kb's a sec
[04:12] <slipaway172> like i said
[04:12] <Kyral> kcburyshaker, servers get slow, its one of those Internet things :D
[04:12] <neoliminal> I stole the mouse from this machine ;-)
[04:12] <Kyral> Its not the system's fault
[04:12] <cwillu> I love how the brittish say 'meatloaf'
[04:12] <kcburyshaker> it is saying for those 27 updates it will take it over 6 hours to download
[04:13] <cwillu> heh
[04:13] <cwillu> brb
[04:13] <slipaway172> probably the mobo messed up
[04:13] <neoliminal> ok, I saw when it turned off the mouse.
[04:13] <neoliminal> hold on...
[04:13] <kcburyshaker> and since i have fast cable   im more than just a little tiffed
[04:13] <eternale1> add a panel then how to get the whole panel back to the top with all the programs
[04:13] <Kyral> kcburyshaker, are you networked at all?
[04:13] <kcburyshaker> no  straight plugged in to modem
[04:14] <Kyral> hmm
[04:14] <cwillu> back
[04:14] <Kyral> must be the servers then
[04:14] <kcburyshaker> i checked my bandwidth on firefox and im flying according to cnet bandwidth test
[04:14] <Kyral> its the server then
[04:14] <slipaway172> yep
[04:14] <neoliminal> mouse turns dark after "starting hotplug subsystem..."
[04:15] <eno> how come firefox just disappears sometimes without even an error mesage?
[04:15] <kcburyshaker> is this gonna be fixed soon?  or is it cuz of load?
[04:15] <Kyral> I don't know, I'm not a Server Admin :P
[04:15] <cwillu> :(
[04:15] <neoliminal> cwillu: Did you see that?
[04:15] <slipaway172> eno, i have the same problem
[04:15] <cwillu> yes
[04:15] <Kyral> I'm just your Friendly Neighborhood Linux Guru
[04:15] <neoliminal> ok
[04:15] <eternale1> wow i really screwed that up
[04:15] <kcburyshaker> slip  you have the same issue?
[04:15] <slipaway172> yes
[04:15] <kcburyshaker> ok
[04:15] <cwillu> mister friendly neighborhood linux guru, what do you do when hotplug fails to detect a usb mouse?
[04:16] <cwillu> :)
[04:16] <kcburyshaker> well this sucks...lol   i JUST now installed ubuntu
[04:16] <slipaway172> ill be browsing i always browsing and pop its gone
[04:16] <Kyral> yanno, I knwo I set myself up with that one
[04:16] <kcburyshaker> ill let it run when im asleep
[04:16] <neoliminal> cwillu:  thank you for helping me this far!!! :)
[04:16] <cwillu> neoliminal:  I hate it when I can't take it all the way
[04:16] <slipaway172> what i wtote made no sence
[04:16] <Kyral> Try unplugging, then plugging it back in
[04:16] <eternale1> so is there anyway to get the original panel back to the top after being removed ... with like the same menu
[04:16] <neoliminal> cwillu:  we can both learn from this then.
[04:16] <cwillu> been there, done that
[04:17] <cwillu> dpkg reconfigured x, went through bios settings, verified the mouse worked on another machine
[04:17] <cwillu> mouse lights up, and goes dark at hotplug, and never comes back
[04:17] <slipaway172> but i will be browsing something i have looked at for the longest of times and once in awhile it will dissapear
[04:17] <cwillu> and that's about the sum total of what I know how to do
[04:17] <neoliminal> unplugging and plugging it back in turns the mouse back on, but .... doesn't move the mouse
[04:17] <jackhanna> hey guys
[04:17] <othernoob> where can i get a quicktime plugin for firefox and/or opera?
[04:17] <neoliminal> and now its off again.
[04:17] <jackhanna> get mplayer
[04:17] <jackhanna> othernoob one sec
[04:17] <slipaway172> but mine happens say less than 3 times a month
[04:18] <Kyral> or Totem
[04:18] <jackhanna> http://ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[04:18] <jackhanna> othernoob.. this site is your god
[04:18] <seth_k> !ubuntuguide
[04:18] <ubotu> from memory, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation.  Please search the wiki instead, http://wiki.ubuntu.com. Reasons not to advise people to use the guide are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[04:18] <dbernar1> eternale1: you can add the menu.
[04:18] <cwillu> bddebian?
[04:18] <eternale1> how
[04:19] <eternale1> im like adding each section of the menu
[04:19] <eternale1> seperatley
[04:19] <jackhanna> I can't seem to find info on getting dri working on a Rage XL... any clues?
[04:19] <seth_k> jackhanna, please see ubotu's remark... don't use ubuntuguide. Use the wiki instead
[04:19] <eternale1> but i want them how it was
[04:19] <neoliminal> maybe I just need to find a ps2 mouse
[04:19] <neoliminal> :(
[04:19] <cwillu> jackhanna... ubuntuguide.org is deprecated
[04:19] <cwillu> heh
[04:20] <bddebian> cwillu: Yes?
[04:20] <cwillu> you have one of those ps2/usb adapters that comes with everymouse these days? :)
[04:20] <Kyral> neoliminal, maybe
[04:20] <jackhanna> really.. .hmm.. it always helps me
[04:20] <cwillu> I pooched my system :(
[04:20] <neoliminal> hrm...
[04:20] <Kyral> pooched?
[04:20] <jackhanna> accept for getting the boot splash working that is
[04:20] <cwillu> I need a hug :(
[04:20] <bddebian> cwillu: ??
[04:20] <neoliminal> I don't think that I kept it
[04:20] <neoliminal> let me look
[04:20] <cwillu> flashed the bios using the bios util...
[04:20] <cwillu> it doesn't post any more
[04:20] <Kyral> cwillu, you know we are guys
[04:20] <bddebian> cwillu: Doh :'-(
[04:20] <othernoob> thanks jackhamma
[04:21] <othernoob> hanna*
[04:21] <eternale1> nevermind dbernar1 iman idiot i found it
[04:21] <eternale1> i think
[04:22] <Big_O> erm hi
[04:22] <dbernar1> bah/
[04:22] <dbernar1> ya, well, its there, but, I mean, happens.
[04:22] <Big_O> ok i need a sound mixer for fluxbox
[04:22] <Big_O> sorry to bug you with this
[04:22] <cwillu> it was the right bios, the floppy md5's okay
[04:22] <Big_O> alsamixer isnt working
[04:22] <jackhanna> so what's the deal.. the wiki says my rage is supported using dri.. but it's not enabled in glxinfo
[04:23] <Big_O> and the drivers are all screwed
[04:23] <pmiller9> does anyone have experience w/ external 5.25" drive enclosures?  I want to put a nec dvd burner it one... what's a good device that'll work with linux?  usb2 or firewire?
[04:23] <neoliminal> ok, I'm lost
[04:24] <Big_O> you want me to rephrase that dbernar1 >.>... im pretty sure i can append some refferences to you if you want
[04:24] <CarlK> pmiller9 - I hear it works
[04:24] <cwillu> looks like its another sleepless night with linux :(
[04:24] <jackhanna> oh usb is great for mice and stuff... but leave the high speed transfers to firewire...
[04:25] <jackhanna> thanks dell and you fuckers for humping usb2 all over the place
[04:25] <x_or> I've been having some trouble installing packages onto a couple of brand new systems.  It keeps telling me that there is an MD5 mismatch.  I am confused because I haven't edited /etc/apt/sources.list or anything.
[04:25] <Kyral> so can anyone recc a good PCI Firewire card then?
[04:25] <adwait> hey ppl........good morning/evening
[04:25] <Tsunamii`Anime> morning/evening
[04:25] <bddebian> Hello adwait
[04:25] <kcburyshaker> damn  what is up with this ubuntu update server
[04:26] <kcburyshaker> i wish it would speed up
[04:26] <bddebian> kcburyshaker: Is it the us mirror?
[04:26] <kcburyshaker> how do i know   this is a fresh install
[04:26] <jackhanna> I'm really not finding this wiki as easy to use as the ubuntufaq
[04:26] <adwait> anybody knows how to get dynamic fonts to work on firefox
[04:26] <kcburyshaker> less than an hour old
[04:26] <adwait> ?
[04:26] <kcburyshaker> im brand new
[04:26] <bddebian> kcburyshaker: Are you in the US?
[04:26] <IceDC571> jackhanna: ubuntufaq??
[04:26] <neoliminal> ok, the mouse is just not working
[04:26] <kcburyshaker> yes
[04:26] <neoliminal> no idea why
[04:27] <jackhanna> ubuntuguide.org
[04:27] <jackhanna> sry
[04:27] <IceDC571> yeah i was wondering..
[04:27] <adwait> neoliminal: connected properly? proper drivers loaded?
[04:27] <neoliminal> is there a boot option for fixing usb problems?
[04:27] <adwait> hey how abt my question? dynamic fonts in firefox? anybody......?
[04:27] <x_or> Anyone able to install emacs21 recently?  I get an MD5 error on a brand new 5.04 system.
[04:27] <bddebian> kcburyshaker: Then it is probably hitting the US mirror.  I was having problems with it to.  If you have a fast connection, try changing your sources.list to point to uk.archive.ubuntu.com
[04:28] <kcburyshaker> how do i change it
[04:28] <neoliminal> mouse turns dark after "starting hotplug subsystem..."
[04:28] <neoliminal> adwait:
[04:28] <bddebian> kcburyshaker: Use an editor to modify /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:29] <adwait> neoliminal : yeah?
[04:29] <neoliminal> mouse turns dark after "starting hotplug subsystem..."
[04:29] <adwait> ooh ok..
[04:29] <Kyral> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:29] <jackhanna> I meen.. really guys.. it's quick and easy faq for ubuntu
[04:30] <bimberi> !repositories
[04:30] <ubotu> it has been said that repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:30] <bddebian> I would disuade the useof Ubuntuguide but YMMV.
[04:31] <jackhanna> I like how it's quick and easy to find stuff.. it's just all layed out...
[04:31] <jdrake> Is there any way of installing ubuntu but using the kernel that is 2.6.11 (or greater?). My system hardware requires at least that version due to a bug in the sata that prevents the controller from being detected.
[04:31] <adwait> jdrake: i am not sure....but is the kernel u want listed in synaptic
[04:32] <jackhanna> any advice on DRI with my rage XL.. I can't find info anywhere on it
[04:32] <neoliminal> One last appeal for help with my mouse...
[04:32] <jackhanna> and the FAQ says it should be supporting DRI by default
[04:32] <jackhanna> but it's not
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> jdrake: not easily
[04:32] <stetyR> hello
[04:32] <madmavric> hey how come im getting md5sum check error when trying to install packages?
[04:32] <jdrake> adwait, i have no idea because I need to be able to install with that kernel first
[04:32] <ed1t> in gaim, is there any option to flash the window when i receive a message like AIM on windows?
[04:32] <neoliminal> USB mouse fails after "starting hotplug subsystem"
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> ed1t: yes
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> in the plugins
[04:33] <ed1t> HrdwrBoB,  where do i get that plugin?
[04:33] <epohs> is it possible to change the "uid" on an ext3 mountpoint?
[04:33] <adwait> jdrake: aah......so u can boot at al?
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> ed1t: preferences-> plugins
[04:33] <jackhanna> neoliminal, did you disable PNP and legisy USB support in your bios?
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> ed1t: tick 'Message Notification'
[04:33] <adwait> epohs: i guess...../etc/fstab
[04:33] <madmavric> did ubuntu change something so you cant download packages from other sources than theirs? md5 checksum errors all the time now?
[04:34] <epohs> adwait: what options would i use?
[04:34] <nickrud> madmavric you can still use those debs, they are simply not signed.
[04:34] <neoliminal> What is PNP?
[04:34] <neoliminal> jackhanna?
[04:34] <adwait> epohs: at the end, in the options coloumn, uid = <uidnumeber NOT username>
[04:34] <bddebian> Plug and Pray?
[04:34] <jackhanna> plug and play
[04:34] <madmavric> well synaptic or apt=get wont let me install them
[04:34] <neoliminal> I didn't disable that.
[04:34] <adwait> lol bddebian
[04:34] <HrdwrBoB> legacy not legisy :)
[04:34] <jackhanna> or.. pray as db noted
[04:34] <ed1t> thx HrdwrBoB
[04:34] <neoliminal> I did legacy support
[04:34] <HrdwrBoB> ed1t: np
[04:34] <neoliminal> I'll try disable pnp
[04:34] <jdrake> adwait, i know the last release (hoary?) did not work
[04:35] <bimberi> madmavric: Are you using the US repositories?
[04:35] <jackhanna> disable legacy!
[04:35] <eno> does anyone know anything about java?  what is exiting with error (1)?
[04:35] <madmavric> i forget what im using, but it used to work fine
[04:35] <madmavric> let me look
[04:35] <epohs> adwait, could i do that outside of fstab with mount -o uid=<uidnumber> ? cause it doesn't seem to be working
[04:35] <eno> errcode(1)
[04:35] <bimberi> madmavric: Apparently there is an issue with the us mirrors atm
[04:35] <adwait> jdrake: k....so u dont hv ubuntu installed? hmm......well......maybe u could try the devlopment release breezy.not sure which kernel it uses
[04:35] <eno> acutally I am sure there is a java channel
[04:36] <jackhanna> this may help with that firewire DVD question
[04:36] <jackhanna> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootFromFirewireHardDisk
[04:36] <eno> so don't bother.  thanks for your help with the thing before folks
[04:36] <madmavric> im using backports for one
[04:36] <adwait> epohs: u dont want to permananntly change the uid?
[04:36] <madmavric> deb us archives
[04:36] <adwait> !kernel breezy
[04:36] <ubotu> adwait: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:36] <jdrake> adwait, distrowatch indicates that there is a snapshot that uses .12
[04:36] <madmavric> so you think its the us deb sources are bad?
[04:37] <bddebian> There was a problem.  Dunno if it has been fixed
[04:37] <epohs> adwait: no, actually i am mounting an already existing directory into a different location using "--bind"
[04:37] <madmavric> well i keep getting md5 checksum errors
[04:37] <madmavric> grrrrr
[04:37] <bimberi> madmavric: No. But there has been some sort of problem recently
[04:37] <epohs> adwait: but, i am only wanting to mount it temporarily.. then i want to umount it
[04:37] <madmavric> their data base get corrupted?
[04:37] <madmavric> hacked?
[04:37] <madmavric> lol
[04:38] <madmavric> basically i cant install shit now, bummer
[04:38] <adwait> epohs: right...well i guess mount -o uid=.. shouuld be possible.not sure though
[04:38] <bddebian> madmavric: Do you have a high-speed connection?
[04:38] <madmavric> yes
[04:39] <bimberi> madmavric: If entries in your sources.list have us.archive.ubuntu.com then try removing the "us."
[04:39] <madmavric> ok
[04:39] <adwait> madmavric: is the DNS srver ok? mine wasnt working a few days ago? whn u apt-get install......does it show the correct ip addresS?
[04:39] <bddebian> epohs: Why are you doing that?
[04:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> bddebian YOU ROCK MAN! ^_^
[04:39] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Bah, thx man :-)
[04:39] <madmavric> let me check that
[04:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[04:39] <epohs> adwait: could i use "-o uid" in conjunction with "gid", or would that screw something up?
[04:40] <kitchen> can I take the lazy way out and report an md5sum error on hoary/main libgnet2.0-0 2.0.4-1 here rather than looking for a proper buzilla/mantis/whatever interface?
[04:40] <bddebian> madmavric: Or you can force it to use uk.archive.ubuntu.com and see if you get the same results
[04:40] <madmavric> its saying 11 resources temporarily unavailable here
[04:40] <adwait> i guess -o means a option list......so more than one option shouldnt be a problem
[04:40] <bddebian> epohs: What are you trying to do?
[04:40] <airmikey> is Xdefaults in ubuntu or do i need to create file
[04:41] <ablyss> under xfce4 certain application will close but when i run gnome system monitor the processes are still there.  Seems certain ones stick more than others like Nautilus, Xmms.  Any thoughts on this?
[04:41] <madmavric> libgnet is the one thats giving me problems atm
[04:41] <epohs> bddebian: well, i have a custom script that activates anonymous ftp, and mounts a directory that contains my MP3s into the "ftp" directory, but that directory is owned by my local user account...... this may be a totally dumbass way to do it. I'm open to suggestions
[04:41] <bimberi> madmavric: don't know about that repo
[04:41] <kitchen> madmavric, I'm getting md5sum errors on that here too
[04:42] <kitchen> from us.archive
[04:42] <madmavric> ok
[04:42] <tom1> question - how can i get the install CD to boot on an ATAPI cd drive?
[04:42] <neoliminal> ok
[04:42] <bddebian> epohs: Do you just want the anonymous ftp to read or are they uploading too?
[04:42] <neoliminal> it's not working
[04:43] <epohs> bddebian: I would like them to only read
[04:43] <nickrud> airmikey there are existing x defaults under /etc/X11/Xresources; you can copy parts or all of those to ~/.Xdefaults and modify to suit
[04:43] <bddebian> tom1: Should "just work"tm  but it depends on your BIOS and the age of your machine
[04:43] <madmavric> must be a problem on their end, ill try in a day or two
[04:43] <bddebian> epohs: What is the current rights on that folder?
[04:43] <bddebian> madmavric: You got the same thing with the uk repo?
[04:43] <madmavric> im just using us and backports here
[04:43] <tom1> bddebian: i'm not sure if the problem is with the actual ATAPI drive being that, but it says "bootlinux: faild to locate CD-ROM drive: boot failed"
[04:44] <epohs> bddebian: drwsr-xr-x
[04:44] <bddebian> epohs: That should be fine.  Just create a symbolic link to that directory
[04:44] <ed1t> HrdwrBoB, is there any plugin where i can see the notification when someone signs on or off?
[04:44] <ed1t> in gaim
[04:44] <fr500> hello
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> ed1t: yes
[04:44] <madmavric> thought maybe the folks at ubuntu were putting a stop to people installing packages they didnt approve of or something
[04:44] <bimberi> madmavric: Give the uk repos a try - you might get it going now
[04:44] <epohs> bddebian: proftpd doesn't seem to like symlinks
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> ed1t: same thing, there's a notification plugin
[04:45] <bddebian> tom1: Are there any message before that?
[04:45] <bddebian> epohs: Ah
[04:45] <bimberi> madmavric: No way.  That is _not_ freedom.
[04:45] <tom1> bddebian: loading spec packet failed.....
[04:45] <fr500> i have 4 200gb hdds, is there a way for them to act likone big one?
[04:45] <adwait> anybody for my dynamic fonts problem?
[04:45] <vinux> hey guys what's the command to configure my xorg again?
[04:45] <madmavric> bim ok, ill just try again tommorrow, dont feal like editing apt source list atm
[04:45] <bddebian> fr500: lvm
[04:45] <airmikey> nickrud: when i type ~/.Xdefaults     nothin comes up
[04:45] <seth_k> vinux: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:45] <bimberi> fr500: lvm (linux volume management)
[04:46] <bimberi> madmavric: k
[04:46] <nickrud> airmikey you create it, I should have been more clear, sorry :)
[04:46] <airmikey> eror ...couldnt find
[04:46] <seth_k> adwait: it would be better if you were more specific
[04:46] <adwait> lvm= LOGICAL volume Management
[04:46] <airmikey> ok  cool
[04:46] <ed1t> HrdwrBoB, it gives an option for notification on going or returning from away...not for sign in/off
[04:46] <bimberi> adwait: oops - thanks
[04:46] <adwait> seth_k: how do i get dynamic fonts to work with firefox
[04:46] <jugarnatha> hey y'all. How do I get totem to play .wmv's?
[04:46] <bddebian> airmikey: You copied that file?  ~ is just a link to your /home/user dir
[04:46] <vinux> seth_k, thanks
[04:46] <vinux> brb
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> ed1t: whatever's there is there
[04:47] <seth_k> adwait: dynamic fonts? :/ call me slow, but I've never heard of such a thing
[04:47] <bddebian> tom1: Any errors about /dev/hdb or some such?
[04:47] <ed1t> HrdwrBoB,  is there any other AIM client?
[04:47] <tom1> bddebian: nope
[04:47] <madmavric> i just wanted to grab some mp3's off of newsgroups quick to test some aps here , ill get em off my windoz machine
[04:47] <HrdwrBoB> ed1t: not that's any good
[04:47] <adwait> seth_k: umm...well u know, if a website uses a special u need not download it, it is embedded in the web page itself
[04:47] <epohs> bddebian: do you think this isn't going to work the way i have it invisioned?
[04:47] <steven_> i have a red hat cd and an ubuntu cd
[04:47] <seth_k> adwait: ah ha, got you now
[04:47] <steven_> can some one igve me the pros and cons of each
[04:47] <adwait> seth_k: its called embedded fonts as well i guess.........check www.loksatta.com
[04:47] <steven_> id appreciate it
[04:47] <airmikey> bddebian: didnt do anything yet
[04:47] <GNULinuxGeek> Can anyone tell me how to get icons back on the KDE panel such as volume control, Korganizer?  After a recent Synaptic session, they were gone.
[04:47] <bddebian> epohs: It might, just seems superfluous :-)
[04:48] <seth_k> adwait: most implementations of embedded fonts are internet-explorer-specific
[04:48] <fr500> bddebian, sorry just had a "blue screen of death"
[04:48] <jackhanna> son of a bitch.. broken md5 error... sheesh... what gives with synaptic
[04:48] <cwillu> :(
[04:48] <adwait> seth_k :(
[04:48] <epohs> bddebian: i understand, thanks. :)
[04:48] <fr500> bddebian, is it hard to configure?
[04:48] <jugarnatha> hey y'all. How do I get totem to play .wmv's? Do I need some more codecs?
[04:48] <x_or> Anyone know what repository I should add to install xMule?
[04:48] <seth_k> jackhanna: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and change the us.archive... to just archive
[04:48] <bimberi> steven_: You're asking in #ubuntu?
[04:48] <adwait> seth_k: ok well then any idea if how i install a ttf font?
[04:48] <madmavric> jack im having the same problems apparently the us debian mirrors are having problems
[04:48] <steven_> i asked in #rhel
[04:48] <seth_k> jugarnatha: add te backports repositories and then apt-get install w32codecs
[04:48] <steven_> and no one knew wtf redhat was
[04:48] <bddebian> airmikey: fr500 Never used it.  I prefer hardware RAID :-)
[04:48] <adwait> lol
[04:49] <bimberi> lol
[04:49] <steven_> i mean "ubuntu" was
[04:49] <seth_k> adwait: see http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers/310
[04:49] <cwillu> = (
[04:49] <jackhanna> seth_k, thanks.. I wasn't paying attention when it was asked before because I haven't had this problem before
[04:49] <nickrud> x_or you need to enable universe
[04:49] <seth_k> jackhanna: no worries
[04:49] <fr500> bddebian, ok
[04:49] <steven_> can some one tell me what makes ubuntu much better
[04:49] <Kyral> steven_, us :D
[04:49] <fr500> steven_, better than?
[04:50] <seth_k> steven_: Apt to manage packages, the excellent support, and the quick release cycles
[04:50] <seth_k> steven_: it's Debian with more updates
[04:50] <nickrud> steven_ off hand, I'd say the quality of the free support.
[04:50] <jackhanna> does anyone know what's up with the us.archive?
[04:50] <steven_> yeah this support rocks you guys do a good job
[04:50] <adwait> seth_k: got stuck on the first line itself.......type font:// in nautilius window....where? theres no place to type
[04:50] <bimberi> steven_: ... expecially in #ubuntu ;)
[04:50] <steven_> yup
[04:50] <steven_> but the thing is i dont know if its easier for me to use
[04:50] <steven_> or not
[04:50] <steven_> i have red hat right now
[04:50] <bddebian> steven_: Well it isn't better than sex if that is what you mean ;-)
[04:50] <steven_> and its a bitch i have to install so much
[04:51] <bddebian> jackhanna: Yes, it appears to be broken
[04:51] <jugarnatha> seth_k: what are backports, if you don't mind my asking. I have w32codecs installed, I believe.
[04:51] <steven_> lol i didnt think it was
[04:51] <jackhanna> hmm
[04:51] <seth_k> jugarnatha: see http://backports.ubuntuforums.org
[04:51] <fr500> steven_, it's easier than red hat
[04:51] <seth_k> !backports
[04:51] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[04:51] <madmavric> when ubuntu gets broken for a user, but still works in root, can you just delte that users account and create a new one, and everything will work again?
[04:51] <jugarnatha> seth_k: thanks. I will.
[04:52] <steven_> i ordered the cds like 3 months ago
[04:52] <nickrud> madmavric maybe, depending on the problems. Create a new user without deleting the old, and test.
[04:52] <steven_> and i got them in today
[04:52] <adwait> madmavric: sure...if the user messed up something real bad.......
[04:52] <bddebian> steven_: So get installing! ;-)
[04:52] <madmavric> ok thanks
[04:52] <steven_> ughh
[04:52] <steven_> i want too
[04:53] <fr500> madmavric, if it's your only sudoer, i think u may need to add one more sudoer or enable the root account
[04:53] <madmavric> thats the point behind not using root i assume, is to keep the core os working properly
[04:53] <nickrud> madmavric to give the new user sudo rights, as root adduser <new user> admin
[04:53] <bimberi> steven_: go on - you know you want to
[04:53] <madmavric> nick thanks
[04:53] <steven_> loll Linux peer pressure
[04:53] <bimberi> steven_: Those people on the CD cover look so happy :)
[04:54] <steven_> LOLLL THEY DOOO
[04:54] <steven_> ROFLL
[04:54] <steven_> bimberi one thing i want to do that redhat cant do is
[04:54] <airmikey> nickrud: how do i create it or where do i go
[04:54] <steven_> i want to watch wmv's on firefox
[04:54] <Chipmunk> Newbie question: I am running the Live CD. Managed to mount my NTFS hard drive and I can see the contents. But I need to say sudo each time. How do I browse the filesystem using th GUI tools?
[04:54] <jedix> does anyone know where I can get an nvtv?
[04:54] <madmavric> well ive got root login setup on my ubuntu machine, its a lot easier to edit files that way
[04:54] <steven_> and i want better media support
[04:54] <nickrud> airmikey touch ~/.Xdefaults will create the file, with nothing in it.
[04:55] <adwait> Chopmunk: in the fstab in the options end pur uid=1000 guid=1000 (assuming ur the first user created
[04:55] <adwait> *Chipmunk
[04:55] <cwillu> oh well... overnighting a new bios chip apparently
[04:55] <Chipmunk> adwait: I havent installed it yet, just trying using the Live CD.
[04:55] <bddebian> cwillu: phew :-)
[04:55] <airmikey> nickrud : type that in a terminal
[04:55] <Chipmunk> can I supply the uid to mount?
[04:55] <bimberi> steven_: media support not my area.  I hear that mplayer + firefox makes a good combo
[04:55] <nickrud> airmikey yes
[04:55] <airmikey> cool
[04:55] <airmikey> right on
[04:56] <cwillu> there were updates, but I still don't know whether that fixes anything, or just gets me back to square one :)
[04:56] <steven_> oh
[04:56] <BluesRocker> Hi, can somebody help mi with modem, please?
[04:56] <madmavric> i like xine or vlc myself
[04:56] <adwait> Chipmunk: i think so.........mount /dev/hdX blah blah -o uid=1000
[04:56] <steven_> where can i find out abou tthat
[04:56] <bddebian> steven_: Find out about what?
[04:56] <Chipmunk> adwait: Okay, let me trry that. Thanks.
[04:56] <steven_> If i can watch wmv's
[04:56] <bddebian> BluesRocker: Just ask, we'll try
[04:56] <steven_> on like fire fox
[04:56] <BluesRocker> tnx
[04:56] <steven_> lets say i go to launch.com to watch music videos
[04:57] <bddebian> steven_: Should be able to, though you might need w32codecs or some such
[04:57] <BluesRocker> modem is installed, and hears phone signal, but dont dial number
[04:57] <steven_> will they be easy to install on ubuntu
[04:57] <speel> hey in all honesty what programing is the easyest to learn?
[04:57] <bddebian> steven_: Of course :-)
[04:57] <adwait> steven_: sure......just install a firefox plugin called media connector
[04:57] <madmavric> steven if you want some good tips for installing things in ubuntu, try this link www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:58] <nickrud> steven_ I use mozilla-mplayer to watch on line video (when I'm not on dialup :)
[04:58] <jackhanna> :)
[04:58] <steven_> wow
[04:58] <steven_> =)
[04:58] <steven_> I WANT UBUNTU
[04:58] <adwait> speel: depends on wht u wanna do really....because once u learn any language learning another is just a matter of learing a new syntax
[04:58] <Chipmunk> adwait: Great, that worked, thanks! Now that I know it can read my hard drive, I think I'll install Ubunto dual-boot
[04:58] <steven_> but heres the thing
[04:58] <bddebian> BluesRocker: Dial?? WTF is that?? :-)
[04:58] <steven_> i used to have ubuntu
[04:58] <steven_> but i didnt know how to install things
[04:58] <steven_> using repos and apts
[04:58] <steven_> sounds so confusing
[04:58] <BluesRocker> its dial up modem :)
[04:58] <steven_> maybe i didnt learn how to do it
[04:58] <tiglionabbit> !synaptic
[04:58] <ubotu> I heard synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[04:58] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[04:58] <madmavric> steven did you see that link i posted?
[04:58] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:58] <bddebian> steven_: So use synaptic or aptitude
[04:58] <adwait> Chipmunk: welcome! now ur an ubuntite/ubuntuer/...
[04:58] <adwait> ;)
[04:58] <tiglionabbit> steven_: read those, then you will
[04:58] <nickrud> steven_ a repository is a web address that contains packages you can download
[04:59] <steven_> yes i did
[04:59] <steven_> oh ok
[04:59] <steven_> and whats an apt
[04:59] <madmavric> ok wiki and ubuntuguide are both very helpful
[04:59] <nickrud> steven_ apt is heaven :)
[04:59] <madmavric> apt-get is command line version of synaptic
[04:59] <adwait> steven_: apt is a software to download and install apps on ubuntu
[04:59] <tiglionabbit> !apt
[04:59] <ubotu> apt is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[04:59] <steven_> oh ok
[04:59] <bddebian> steven_: apt is a front-end for dpkg to install packages
[04:59] <steven_> i see
[04:59] <Chipmunk> adwait: or Ubuntee, or just a Ubunt :)
[04:59] <steven_> Hmm
[04:59] <Chipmunk> thanks again. later...
[05:00] <adwait> Chipmunk: hehe.....yeah we were just discussing tht the other day :)
[05:00] <steven_> ok i think ubuntu
[05:00] <madmavric> read those guides steven, theyre easy to follow
[05:00] <steven_> is looking good
[05:00] <nickrud> steven_ apt is a library, used by synaptic, aptitude, apt-get, and others, that resolves dependencies for you.
[05:00] <steven_> ok
[05:00] <speel> adwait, well i dont know really i just want to learn a lang then dive into diffrent programs and such
[05:01] <jackhanna> removing us. really messed up synaptic
[05:01] <adwait> speel: hmm......well i would say start of with c++......once u get ur class concepts strong java and other language should not be a problem.
[05:01] <adwait> besides c++ is the most used language (i think.......)
[05:01] <PlutoPrime> is there some method to check / verify the contents of a CD/DVD after they are burnt?
[05:01] <bimberi> jackhanna: you'll need to reload
[05:01] <PlutoPrime> it seems like neither Graveman/GnomeBaker support "verify"
[05:01] <speel> hmm ok ty il check it out
[05:01] <steven_> and you guys say i can have kde on ubuntu right
[05:02] <nickrud> PlutoPrime you can md5sum a mounted iso (for example, md5sum /dev/hdc)
[05:02] <adwait> steven_: if u like that inferior desktop ;)
[05:02] <jackhanna> thanks bimberi
[05:02] <bddebian> speel: C is probably the most "fundamental" language.  Very little syntax and very powerful.  But, learning all the associated things with C can get VERY complex
[05:02] <madmavric> ya its called kubuntu, but its somewhat more buggy than ubuntu
[05:02] <bimberi> steven_: yep - it's called kubuntu
[05:02] <adwait> steven_: try the KDA version of ubuntu....kubuntu
[05:02] <bimberi> jackhanna: yw
[05:02] <bddebian> steven_: That would be kubuntu
[05:02] <PlutoPrime> nickrud, what it's a backup DVD and from files on the harddisk
[05:02] <steven_> ohh and is that better
[05:02] <steven_> how do i get it
[05:02] <jackhanna> I'm still getting no such dir from 4 of my repositories
[05:02] <madmavric> kubuntu is buggy
[05:02] <steven_> are all of you using ubuntu
[05:02] <jackhanna> all of them are archive.ubuntu.com
[05:02] <PlutoPrime> nickrud, I'm mainly worried about making sure my backups are all valid files and a good burn
[05:02] <adwait> steven_: download fromnet
[05:03] <madmavric> ive tried kubuntu, its not as good
[05:03] <steven_> fromnet?
[05:03] <bimberi> steven_: http://kubuntu.org
[05:03] <adwait> *frm the net
[05:03] <jackhanna> stephan.. it's on of the distros I'm playing with
[05:03] <nickrud> PlutoPrime well, at one time, my backup was create an iso, md5sum it, write the disk, md5sum that, and compare
[05:03] <speel> well with C it looks like you have to do alot in order to get somthing simple done
[05:03] <jackhanna> I still like Suse better I think
[05:03] <madmavric> i use either ubuntu or xandros here
[05:03] <bddebian> Xandros???  Is that still even being produced? :-)
[05:03] <madmavric> suse has dependency issues all the time
[05:03] <adwait> speel: if u want a GUI yes......but its powerful for backbone programming
[05:03] <bimberi> steven_: (I use ubuntu though - haven't tried kubuntu)
[05:03] <rob^> !w32codecs
[05:03] <ubotu> from memory, w32codecs is codecs needed to play some proprietary formats.  Add a backports mirror to download them http://backports.ubuntuforums.org
[05:03] <steven_> oh ok
[05:03] <madmavric> bddebian yep
[05:03] <jackhanna> madmavric, I've never had a prob
[05:04] <fr500> steven_, compared to ubuntu, somethings need polishing
[05:04] <jackhanna> and I love yast
[05:04] <fr500> steven_, you have a sudoers issue on install i think
[05:04] <bddebian> speel: If you REALLY want to get into it, learn assembler first and build from there :-)
[05:04] <madmavric> xandros works extremely well straight outta the box, but its a little bit slower than ubuntu
[05:04] <steven_> oh really
[05:04] <speel> ah assembly is like down and dirty Lol
[05:04] <JDahl> isn't there a package called w32codecs? I can't find it with apt-cache search, and I think I enabled all repositories looking for it
[05:04] <jackhanna> madmavric, so does suse and it's free
[05:05] <madmavric> so is xandros
[05:05] <bddebian> JDahl: I think it may only be availabe from backports?
[05:05] <madmavric> open circulation edition
[05:05] <fr500> jackhanna, my ubuntu works wonderful out of the box
[05:05] <jackhanna> don't they charge for the latest
[05:05] <bddebian> You mean Novell?
[05:05] <adwait> speel: sure......u can even use assembly commands in c
[05:05] <madmavric> they have a open circ editon of their latest distro
[05:06] <madmavric> it doesnt have firefox,
[05:06] <jackhanna> fr500, all major distos do... but yast has a great feel to it and makes configing complicated stuff easy with a gui
[05:06] <madmavric> or a good cd burning ap
[05:06] <madmavric> other than that its the same
[05:06] <bddebian> yast better than apt* ??  I think not. :-)
[05:06] <madmavric> and you can install just about anything thru xandros networks, which is their version of synaptic
[05:06] <jackhanna> bddebian, ?
[05:06] <jackhanna> yast does much more than just getting packages..
[05:07] <jugarnatha> seth_k: hmm. still no wmv files will play. The apt-get reported that I had the latest codecs
[05:07] <jackhanna> it configs hardware and services
[05:07] <bddebian> jackhanna: Yeah, I know. :-)
[05:07] <madmavric> i really cant stand suse, sorry jack
[05:07] <madmavric> hehe
[05:07] <madmavric> give me a good debian distro any day of the week
[05:07] <jackhanna> ok.. I'm just saying..for a linux noob.. suse is a nice choice
[05:08] <dicrapio> how can i disable the blank screen from going off after being idle?
[05:08] <madmavric> in fact one day when my chipset gets supported under debian, ill install pure debian my way
[05:08] <nickrud> jugarnatha http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger/test.html is a good test site for web media. Not all wmvs are equal
[05:08] <JDahl> bddebian, ok.. I was reading a HOWTO on streaming in Firefox, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17727. It's supposed to be for Hoary, but maybe the guide is wrong about w32codecs
[05:08] <jackhanna> you can argue geek linix all day long... and both people will be correct.. I just find Suse easier for new users to get into
[05:08] <madmavric> im still a noob
[05:09] <madmavric> probably always will be, but debian just seems to have more online support than any other distro ive tried
[05:09] <bimberi> dicrapio: Systems -> Preferneces -> Screen Saver ?
[05:09] <jackhanna> installing mplayer in suse is as easy as using adding packman in yast and using the gui to check mplayer.. it installs everything you need
[05:09] <jackhanna> with a click
[05:09] <bddebian> JDahl: Do you have universe and multiverse in your sources.list?
[05:09] <JDahl> bddebian, yes
[05:09] <nickrud> I've been using debian for almost 5 years, but, I'll be networking some computers soon and I guarantee I'll have some truly noob questions soon :)
[05:09] <adwait> he
[05:09] <adwait> h
[05:09] <jackhanna> brb
[05:10] <dicrapio> hmm, forgot im ubuntu, im on kubuntu
[05:10] <dicrapio> is not a screensaver
[05:10] <dicrapio> i think is xorg's default blank screen
[05:10] <rebort> anybody help me here...
[05:10] <adwait> rebort: with wht?
[05:10] <rebort> startx, xinit /usr/bin/whatever, sudo gdm
[05:10] <madmavric> ill probalby me putting a tv card in here eventually, and use tvtime
[05:11] <rebort> all just do nothing
[05:11] <rebort> there is no X error log written
[05:11] <rebort> the first two just fail with "server error" and nothign else, to tty or to /var/log
[05:11] <bimberi> dicrapio: not sure sorry.  Tried #kubuntu?
[05:11] <adwait> rebortt: when u start the pc.......do u go to the command prompt?
[05:11] <dicrapio> k
[05:11] <PlutoPrime> I have to say my experience with both graveman and gnomebaker is horrible... they seem like half hearted attempts that are abandoned already\
[05:11] <madmavric> time to jet, later all
[05:12] <PlutoPrime> I just burnt a dvd with graveman and it took it 25 minutes and wasting and entire dvd to tell me "Sorry files couldn't fit"
[05:12] <adwait> lol
[05:12] <PlutoPrime> I mean... that's really sad
[05:12] <PlutoPrime> why don't the projects merge and make something half as decent and Nero?
[05:13] <nickrud> PlutoPrime I've also had problems with those, I installed k3b for things I can't do on the command line or in nautilus
[05:13] <rebort>     whoa it is hard to keep track of irc on centericq
[05:13] <Frank_dot> quick question: is the k7 kernel the best one for Ubuntu32 on amd64?
[05:13] <PlutoPrime> nickrud, I think I'm going to buy Nero for linux
[05:13] <PlutoPrime> I heard it actually works as advertised
[05:13] <nickrud> back, satan!
[05:13] <HrdwrBoB> Frank_dot: yes
[05:14] <IceDC571> lol nero for linux?
[05:14] <Frank_dot> is it better than k3b? (Nero)
[05:14] <PlutoPrime> IceDC571, yup
[05:14] <rebort> no its not better than k3b
[05:14] <rebort> in my opinion having USED it
[05:14] <Frank_dot> HrdwrBoB: thanks
[05:14] <IceDC571> i say the terminal is the best way to burn stuff in
[05:14] <rebort> but it is better than graveman/gnomebaker
[05:14] <PlutoPrime> IceDC571, I live in 21st century thank you :)
[05:14] <PlutoPrime> I don't want to remember commands
[05:14] <nickrud> I use the terminal for quickies, but, remembering commands :)
[05:15] <rebort> terminal is good for some things, not good for otehrs
[05:15] <IceDC571> cdrdao isnt that hard
[05:15] <rebort> but thats all opinion
[05:15] <bddebian> terminals ROCK
[05:15] <PlutoPrime> and you know... this comes from someone who lived with minimalist DEs and distros such as gentoo
[05:15] <IceDC571> bddebian :)
[05:15] <dave123> hi there i have a basic question regarding modules, how come when i do lsmod i see so many modules loaded, but when i do "cat /etc/modules" it shows only like 3 modules?
[05:15] <nickrud> no, not hard, but if you don't use it regularly, you have to keep looking up options.
[05:15] <PlutoPrime> there came a point where I said, enough is enough.. I wanna get work done on my computer
[05:15] <jsgotangco> if k3b doesn't fit to your liking, then there is no gui option that is better for you
[05:16] <IceDC571> i was a complete linux noob, k3b didnt work for me so i just used the terminal and i learned it in like a minute
[05:16] <ketiko> dave123: Some of the modules are loaded as dependencies of those modules
[05:16] <rebort> dave123: i believe /etc/modules is just a place to specify modules that arent otherwise being loaded
[05:16] <ketiko> dave123: and some are loaded by hotplug
[05:16] <rebort> or ketiko knows a lot more than i do
[05:16] <nickrud> well, the terminal does rock ;)
[05:16] <kcburyshaker> do the powers that be know of the slowdown on that ubuntu update server?
[05:16] <ketiko> dave123: for instance, if it detects a USB device
[05:16] <PlutoPrime> it does rock :)
[05:16] <PlutoPrime> as long as there are awesome guis avaialable too
[05:17] <bddebian> :-)
[05:17] <dicrapio> where can i place a command to be executed when i log into X or kde?
[05:17] <dave123> ok i just did something stupid i put something that was shown in lsmod in my .etc.modiules, i better go take it off now before i screw something up :)
[05:17] <nickrud> dicrapio well, for gnome, you can use .gnomerc :)
[05:18] <adwait> dicrapio: if u want to run an app at startup....u could login, run the app then in the log out menu select to save the config or whtever and logout
[05:18] <rebort> or gnome session manager...
[05:18] <Frank_dot> does anyone know how to switch the kde konqueror behaviour to "Windows style"   (double click instead of single click to open) I can't find it
[05:19] <dicrapio> nah, i need to place 'xset s off' somewhere so the Xserver doesnt enable the screen to go blank afte a while
[05:19] <rebort> i dont use kde, but i think you want the startup wizard
[05:19] <Frank_dot> rebort: I'll try to find it
[05:20] <bddebian> dicrapio: Maybe you can put it in a .Xsession file?
[05:20] <nickrud> dicrapio there's bound to be an option kdecontrol somewhere haveing to do with screensavers; otherwise, remove option DPMS from xorg.conf
[05:20] <adwait> umm....im out ppl bbye
[05:20] <rebort> Frank_dot: use the find dialog :P
[05:20] <fr500> has anyone used evms?
[05:21] <dicrapio> ill try that
[05:21] <kcburyshaker> is anyone else having issues with the update server?
[05:22] <bddebian> kcburyshaker: Yes, the US mirror has problems.  Did you ever try the UK mirror?
[05:22] <JDahl> what does "apt-cache search w32codecs" tell you guys? I can't find it, but there's a gazillion webpages refering to it for Hoary
[05:22] <kcburyshaker> no   im brand new to ubuntu
[05:23] <PlutoPrime> JDahl, do you have backports repositories added?
[05:23] <kcburyshaker> i dont know where to start
[05:23] <bddebian> kcburyshaker: "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:23] <Kyral> JDahl, add the Backports to your repos
[05:23] <cwillu> it keeps getting better and better
[05:23] <nickrud> JDahl I won't find it that way, since I don't have the ubuntu backports enabled
[05:23] <Kyral> !BeginnersGuide
[05:23] <ubotu> Kyral: I don't know
[05:23] <bddebian> kcburyshaker: Change the archive.ubuntu.com to uk.archive.ubuntu.com
[05:23] <cwillu> asus tech support sent me an email of isntructions to get my bios chip
[05:23] <Kyral> !UbuntuGuide
[05:23] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation.  Please search the wiki instead, http://wiki.ubuntu.com. Reasons not to advise people to use the guide are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[05:23] <JDahl> PlutoPrime, nope... but why is it in backports?
[05:23] <cwillu> as it turns out, I can no longer log into my email, from anywhere
[05:24] <Ne0-Aw> Hi everyone, how do I stop mysql and start it again so I can make a change to my.cnf
[05:24] <cwillu> of course, by now this has absolutely nothing to do with ubuntu, or linux even...
[05:24] <nickrud> oh, ubotu IS smart
[05:24] <PlutoPrime> additional unoffical updates for ubuntu after release, it includes things such as w32codecs
[05:24] <kcburyshaker> ok bddebian  what next
[05:24] <cwillu> and so, I call the tech support line for my email provider
[05:24] <cwillu> press 1-2-3-1-1-2-1
[05:24] <bddebian> kcburyshaker: Save the file and re-run synaptic or apt-get
[05:25] <PlutoPrime> JDahl, http://backports.ubuntuforums.org
[05:25] <bddebian> kcburyshaker: Do an update first of course
[05:25] <bimberi> Ne0-Aw: (this is a guess) "sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop"
[05:25] <inc595> sup channel
[05:25] <cwillu> tell the guy the email address.  "um, okay, but I'm not sure exactly why you're calling us, we don't have anything to do with that email domain"
[05:25] <bddebian> Ne0-Aw: Aye, "sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart"
[05:25] <cwillu> I can't win :(
[05:25] <bddebian> cwillu: :-(
[05:25] <kcburyshaker> bd debian  may i pvt you?
[05:25] <Ne0-Aw> thank you
[05:25] <bimberi> bddebian: tks
[05:25] <JDahl> PlutoPrime, thanks
[05:26] <Ne0-Aw> bimberi and bddebian
[05:26] <PlutoPrime> welcome
[05:26] <bddebian> kcburyshaker: Sure
[05:26] <Tsunamii`Anime> does Ubuntu have any other default browsers?
[05:26] <Tsunamii`Anime> can't seem to download this file
[05:26] <bimberi> Ne0-Aw: yw
[05:26] <Ne0-Aw> so /etc/init.d keeps track of all things that start up automatically
[05:26] <Ne0-Aw> mysql apache etc ?
[05:26] <bddebian> Ne0-Aw: Yes
[05:26] <Ne0-Aw> first day trying to setup the whole LAMP business
[05:26] <fr500> i just wanna know if the ubuntu stock kernel is EVMS ready
[05:26] <nickrud> Tsunamii I tend to use galeon and epiphany as my browsers
[05:27] <kUser> fr500: yes
[05:27] <Tsunamii> are they default, or do they require download?
[05:27] <nickrud> Tsunamii download only
[05:27] <Tsunamii> ah ok, dw :P
[05:27] <PlutoPrime> WOW
[05:27] <PlutoPrime> gnomebaker acutally warned me the files are too big to fit on the dvd!
[05:27] <fr500> kUser, thx, have you used it?
[05:28] <Ne0-Aw> how can I edit my.cnf while in terminal? nano ?
[05:28] <PlutoPrime> gnomebaker: 1 , graveman: 0
[05:28] <kUser> fr500: a machine at home uses it
[05:28] <nickrud> Ne0-Aw nano works nicely
[05:29] <bddebian> Ne0-Aw: nano, vi, emacs, joe, vim, you name it.. ;-P
[05:29] <BeatYOu> what do you guys suggest for teminal text editing
[05:29] <nickrud> heh, I bit off a finger tip so I wouldn't type them all
[05:30] <bddebian> BeatYOu: I like nano but I get abused for it. :-)
[05:30] <bddebian> nickrud: :-)
[05:30] <BeatYOu> i burnted my finger with firecrackers some days ago so typing is difficult also hah
[05:30] <odie5533> My grub loader is failing and I can't edit menu.lst on knoppix. any ideas?
[05:30] <nickrud> BeatYOu nano for quickies, vim for bigger stuff
[05:30] <bddebian> BeatYOu: If you want to become a true zealot, you MUST learn emacs.. ;-P
[05:30] <bddebian> odie5533: What is failing?
[05:31] <odie5533> bddebian, grub loading >_<
[05:31] <nickrud> lol, I will bite another
[05:31] <BeatYOu> bddebian got to learn how to delete a file in terminal before that i suppose ;] 
[05:31] <odie5533> I made a bad menu.lst I believe
[05:31] <odie5533> and I need to edit it from knoppix
[05:31] <bddebian> odie5533: What is the error/etc?
[05:31] <bddebian> nickrud: rofl
[05:31] <odie5533> error 25 I think I can't remember
[05:31] <odie5533> I need to edit the file menu.lst
[05:32] <odie5533> I have my root password
[05:32] <odie5533> but I dont know where to enter it to gain access
[05:32] <inc595> odie5533, what r u talking about
[05:32] <odie5533> editing a file outside of ubuntu
[05:32] <odie5533> without using
[05:32] <odie5533> sorry
[05:32] <bddebian> odie5533: Did you mount your drive under knoppix?
[05:32] <odie5533> yes
[05:32] <inc595> ok
[05:33] <inc595> just use vi odie5533
[05:33] <odie5533> it says I dont have permission
[05:33] <inc595> you su?
[05:33] <inc595> sudo su
[05:33] <bddebian> damn, beat me to it.. :-)
[05:33] <inc595> heh
[05:33] <IIIEars> odie - interested in the solution. - have had the same difficulty.
[05:34] <freddy_> coca break. brb
[05:34] <odie5533> how do I save and quit in vi?
[05:34] <cwillu> lol
[05:34] <inc595> esc
[05:34] <^thehatsrule^> use :x
[05:34] <inc595> :wq
[05:34] <^thehatsrule^> or wq
[05:34] <cwillu> who's trying to convince people to use emacs or vi?
[05:34] <^thehatsrule^> same thing
[05:34] <inc595> or x
[05:34] <freddy_> coca-COLA!
[05:34] <inc595> lol
[05:34] <odie5533> readonly set
[05:34] <BeatYOu> haha editing this in nano and read the help, but how do i save !?
[05:34] <cwillu> because they should be shot :p
[05:34] <odie5533> ! to override?
[05:34] <freddy_> not cocaine
[05:34] <ubotu> odie5533: I don't know, could you explain it?
[05:34] <nickrud> not me, I recommend nano
[05:34] <bimberi> odie5533: yes
[05:35] <bddebian> Doesn't knoppix have nano?
[05:35] <IIIEars> !visudo
[05:35] <ubotu> IIIEars: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:35] <odie5533> shell returned 127
[05:35] <Tsunamii> arrg
[05:35] <bddebian> BeatYOu: ctrl-x
[05:35] <inc595> if it's read only sound like you don't have perms over it
[05:35] <odie5533> how do I force save then?
[05:35] <Tsunamii> stupid file won't download
[05:35] <freddy_> !sound
[05:35] <ubotu> I heard sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[05:35] <BeatYOu> oh that exits/saves
[05:35] <BeatYOu> thanks
[05:35] <bddebian> NP
[05:35] <inc595> odie5533, are your super user?
[05:36] <odie5533> on knoppix
[05:36] <odie5533> not ubuntu
[05:36] <odie5533> I cant get into ubuntu
[05:36] <odie5533> because my grub wont load
[05:36] <BeatYOu> anyone have expierience with allowing remote connections with MySQL
[05:36] <BeatYOu> accross lan
[05:36] <bimberi> odie5533: I think knoppix mounts readonly by default and that you can right-click on icons to mount writeable
[05:36] <odie5533> it doesnt
[05:36] <doug_> I vote for " :wq ".
[05:37] <bddebian> BeatYOu: Only using some Windows admin tools :-)
[05:37] <inc595> if you mounted the file system right you should be able to edit files
[05:37] <odie5533> however
[05:37] <nameless1> is it possible to overwrite directorys when moving files, beucase i want to do that.
[05:37] <odie5533> /boot/ normally requires a password
[05:37] <freddy_> thats it..i am buying cedega
[05:37] <odie5533> my root password
[05:37] <odie5533> but knoppix isnt asking for it
[05:37] <IIIEars> odie - knoppix gave permission errors and denied editing the menu.lst file?
[05:37] <BeatYOu> bddebian im running MySQL Administrator on my windows machine now trying to remotely connect
[05:37] <odie5533> Yes
[05:37] <odie5533> nano is great!
[05:37] <odie5533> ;)
[05:37] <doug_> How do I set a superuser password in ubunto?
[05:38] <bddebian> BeatYOu: Try SQybot I think its called.  It is awesome
[05:38] <Tsunamii> sudo root passwd <> ?
[05:38] <odie5533> no
[05:38] <odie5533> I am on knoppix
[05:38] <odie5533> >_< >_<
[05:38] <nameless1>  is it possible to overwrite directorys when moving files, beucase i want to do that.
[05:38] <Tsunamii> what's that?
[05:38] <BeatYOu> bddebian google retruns one japanese page :[
[05:38] <nickrud> bddebian I have saved my only box several times with nano, hugs should really go to AUTHORS
[05:38] <bimberi> doug_: You shouldn't need to.  "sudo" should fill your needs
[05:39] <bddebian> nameless1: Yes?
[05:39] <inc595> you try the ubuntu live cd hehe
[05:39] <bddebian> nickrud: Aye
[05:39] <nameless1> bddebian: yes, how
[05:39] <IceDC571> nameless1: mv -rf
[05:39] <nameless1> thanx
[05:40] <bddebian> I thought it would overwrite unless you told it not to?
[05:41] <rob^> !restricted-codecs
[05:41] <ubotu> rob^: I give up, what is it?
[05:41] <rob^> bugger
[05:41] <nameless1> nope not with linux
[05:41] <BeatYOu> hmm phpmyadmin i guess
[05:41] <rob^> !restricted-formats
[05:41] <ubotu> rob^: Wish i knew
[05:41] <IceDC571> lol
[05:41] <bimberi> !restricted
[05:41] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:41] <rob^> cheers
[05:41] <bimberi> np :)
[05:42] <bassinboy> what is ubuntu's firewall?
[05:42] <bassinboy> my torrents wont work
[05:42] <Tsunamii> there's none
[05:42] <bddebian> BeatYOu: Hang no
[05:42] <bassinboy> word
[05:42] <IceDC571> bassinboy: iptables
[05:42] <bddebian> BeatYOu: Err on..
[05:42] <BeatYOu> what haha
[05:42] <IceDC571> bassinboy: try downloading a GUI for it like firestarter
[05:42] <bassinboy> IceDC571: I want anything and everything disabled
[05:43] <BeatYOu> i can edit user tables easily with phpmyadmin and put my ip in methinks, at least thats what I did on a windows box
[05:43] <nickrud> bassinboy ubuntu's security policy is that no service provided by main listens outside the box, so no firewall is installed
[05:43] <nickrud> bassinboy but, that's not your issue, sorry :)
[05:43] <bassinboy> k
[05:44] <IIIEars> nickrud - does it drop unsolicited packets without a firewall installed?
[05:44] <Tsunamii> WOW! My whole system is only using 130 megs of ram!
[05:44] <Tsunamii> that's amazing :D
[05:44] <bddebian> BeatYOu: Sorry it's SQLyog
[05:45] <IceDC571> Tsunamii: whats your wm?
[05:45] <inc595> Tsunamii, only 88MB here
[05:45] <nickrud> IIIEars I think when I ran it by grc.com, it was reject
[05:45] <Tsunamii> wm ?
[05:45] <Tsunamii> inc595, cheater :P
[05:45] <IceDC571> windows manager
[05:45] <kUser> (window manager)
[05:45] <Davey> mines using 382MB but I'm running Zend Studio (Java based PHP IDE)
[05:45] <bddebian> tsume: Window Manager
[05:45] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is great! - without windows "life support" apps running in the background ubuntu runs a lot faster too.
[05:45] <Tsunamii> windows manager for what? D:!
[05:45] <BeatYOu> bddebian this still requires me to connect to the MySQL server (on ubuntu) right ?
[05:45] <bddebian> Damn tab completion
[05:45] <bddebian> BeatYOu: Of course :-)
[05:45] <IceDC571> Tsunamii: i'll take it as gnome
[05:45] <Tsunamii> oh umm, how do i find that out? :P
[05:45] <Tsunamii> yeah
[05:45] <Tsunamii> it's gnome
[05:45] <BeatYOu> But if i can't connect remotely this doens't do me any good ;] 
[05:46] <BeatYOu> but will certinaly keep it in mind after i can connect
[05:46] <bddebian> BeatYOu: It will connect you
[05:46] <BeatYOu> hmm
[05:46] <inc595> gnome here too but i also got fluxbox
[05:46] <bddebian> It has like a login dialog
[05:46] <BeatYOu> ok will try
[05:46] <bddebian> Damn my feet stink
[05:46] <inc595> soap
[05:46] <bddebian> hehe
[05:46] <Tsunamii> what's the difference with other windows manager?
[05:47] <doug_> Gosh, I've used ' sudo '.  How do you use it?  (to run Updates, for example).
[05:47] <inc595> bddebian, /etc/init.d/soapd
[05:47] <inc595> restart
[05:47] <kUser> others offer other features, Tsunamii
[05:47] <bddebian> inc595: lol
[05:47] <Tsunamii> oh?
[05:47] <bddebian> doug_: ?
[05:47] <Tsunamii> well, tbh - Gnome really bites the dust :p
[05:47] <kUser> Tsunamii: some are slimmer (use less memory), some are more customisable, etc.
[05:47] <Quest-Master> doug_: sudo apt-get update
[05:48] <Tsunamii> interesting
[05:48] <IIIEars> nickrud - yep, stealthed except port 113 do i need it open? How do you close it if it isn't needed?
[05:48] <Tsunamii> any stats on what people prefer?
[05:48] <BeatYOu> bddebian: Host 192.168.1.25 is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server
[05:48] <inc595> gnome is kool.. i think it would be nice if ubuntu came with kde gnome and fluxbox installed
[05:48] <bddebian> xfce4 for example is smaller
[05:48] <calc> gnome and kde really don't use all that much ram, though they may appear to
[05:48] <Quest-Master> inc595 rofl.
[05:48] <Quest-Master> If that were true.
[05:48] <brlancer> alt+right-click is mapped to a context menu by default in gnome - how do I change it back to resize window?
[05:48] <Quest-Master> The install size and time would be massive.
[05:48] <kUser> inc595: wouldn't really be able to fit on 1 cd, then
[05:48] <IceDC571> inc595: dont use kool and gnome in the same sentence
[05:48] <IceDC571> inc595: only use it for kde
[05:48] <calc> eg kdm/kde logged in will take somewhere around 50-60MB ram
[05:48] <inc595> well like give you the option :)
[05:48] <nickrud> IIIEars I leave it open, it's the ident server, irc uses it to check you out, i believe
[05:49] <disasm> calc: when compared to fluxbox without all the underlying daemons, yeah they do. Try running the latest KDE on a 200 mhz p2
[05:49] <calc> though if you have a lot of ram free will report that a lot is used
[05:49] <bddebian> BeatYOu: hang on, I need a smoke something fierce :-)
[05:49] <Aerebus> hi all i just finished installing ubuntu for the very first time! i'm also a first time linux user and i have a slight problem, could someone tell me how to update my display driver? when i drag a window across my screen i am getting trails... like what usually happens on a generic display driver
[05:49] <inc595> gnome is pretty i lke it
[05:49] <inc595> lol
[05:49] <nickrud> IIIEars you sure you don't have a firewall running?
[05:49] <kUser> inc595: there's always the option. If you install ubuntu, you can install kubuntu-desktop and xfce4. If you install kubuntu, you can install ubuntu-desktop and xfce4.
[05:49] <BeatYOu> bddebian: chronic? or the evil tobacco
[05:49] <maxy_noob> Hi guys, what app can I stream music with--preferably one with libraries in it
[05:49] <James686> Is it possible to have my computer read 2 CD rom drives at system reboot instead of one?
[05:49] <maxy_noob> ?
[05:49] <calc> disasm: yea on older (> 5 years old) computers are likely to be better with a lightweight wm
[05:49] <James686> because right now the default one doesnt want to work...
[05:49] <IIIEars> nickrud - ah, okay. can't help but to learn something here. - grin
[05:49] <inc595> kUser, ahh to much work
[05:49] <IceDC571> ahh i love gnome
[05:50] <kUser> inc595: remember, it has to all fit on 1 cd
[05:50] <nickrud> IIIEars heh, I pick up two for one over all :)
[05:50] <James686> well?
[05:50] <calc> even the kernel is bloated now compared to back then
[05:50] <inc595> kUser, how about 1 dvd
[05:50] <disasm> calc: your right though, on a 2 ghz with 512 ram kde/gnome run pretty decent
[05:50] <maxy_noob> music player keeps cutting out.
[05:50] <kUser> inc595: not everyone has a dvd drive
[05:50] <inc595> not every want all three wm's
[05:50] <James686> hello?
[05:50] <calc> if i am reading the numbers right the kernel on my box appears to be using ~ 18MB ram itself
[05:51] <inc595> kUser, would be a nice iso to d/l
[05:51] <calc> disasm: even 1ghz with 128mb is plenty for them
[05:51] <kUser> inc595: some people make such iso(s) available
[05:51] <disasm> calc: maybe the default kernel, but the 2.6 kernel is designed to be able to be used in embedded situations as well, so a custom compiled kernel with all the essentials is still pretty dang good on older comps
[05:51] <calc> disasm: i used to use kde at work on one like that
[05:51] <calc> we just recently upgraded to 3.2ghz
[05:51] <nickrud> calc that does seem excessive
[05:51] <maxy_noob> I tried streamtuner and xmms but they kept freezing ubuntu
[05:52] <inc595> calc you're spoiled i got a nice 400MHz box here
[05:52] <BeatYOu> ergghh waht is command to untar something, tar -whatflags ?
[05:52] <kUser> maxy_noob: "cutting out"?
[05:52] <seth_k> tar -x
[05:52] <calc> my somewhat old laptop is 3.0 ;)
[05:52] <seth_k> for tar.gz, tar -xvzf
[05:52] <inc595> calc, haha
[05:52] <calc> got it about 18mo ago
[05:52] <IceDC571> the tcl language is weird
[05:53] <maxy_noob> ya, kUser, "unexpected end of stream!" error message.
[05:53] <inc595> calc this thing was made in 2001
[05:53] <IceDC571> i compiled amsn with tcl and it took like 15 seconds to make
[05:53] <calc> of course since cpu's have stopped increasing in speed i don't have any plans to replace it soon
[05:53] <maxy_noob> consistently, too, after every song
[05:53] <vinux> Man the backport links are going very slow!
[05:53] <calc> used to be cpus more than doubled in speed every 18mo :\
[05:53] <BeatYOu> tar -xvzf file.tar.bz /where/to/extract ?
[05:53] <BeatYOu> gz*
[05:53] <inc595> well they still are think 64bit
[05:53] <IceDC571> maxy_noob: yeah i have that problem until i used streamtuner + xmms
[05:53] <calc> inc595: i had a 1ghz box in mid 2000, i like to bleed ;)
[05:53] <seth_k> BeatYOu: looks fine
[05:53] <maxy_noob> IceDC571, how did you get them to work together?
[05:53] <calc> inc595: hmm what about 64bit?
[05:54] <Aerebus> anyone know how to update display drivers?
[05:54] <inc595> doubling power doesn't alway equal duoble the speed in mhz
[05:54] <IceDC571> maxy_noob: it works together by default
[05:54] <doug_> I've never used 'sudo'  (sucessfully).  How do I, for example, run the update program from the icon in the bottom panel?
[05:54] <calc> inc595: the amd64 chips are only 10-30% faster in 64bit mode
[05:54] <IceDC571> maxy_noob: all you need to do is run streamtuner and add your favorite stream station
[05:54] <calc> inc595: that is what my "old" laptop is athlon64 3000
[05:54] <PlutoPrime> Gnomebaker never asked me to label my cd!! gnomebaker: 1 , graveman: 1
[05:54] <maxy_noob> well something's wrong with my setup then because each time I settled on a station in streamtuner and it launched xmms, my system would freeze.
[05:54] <PlutoPrime> arrrrgh
[05:55] <maxy_noob> sorry, not my system by xmms. I couldn't close it either.
[05:55] <calc> 1.0ghz was available in mid 2000, the fastest single core is only 4.0 now
[05:55] <inc595> well when they start coming out with better 64 bit software it'll blow the old stuff out of the water
[05:55] <PlutoPrime> even worse!!! the cd burnt successfully but it's blank!!! what gives?!
[05:56] <bddebian> BeatYOu: Just coffin nails :-)   Did you do:  GRANT ALL PRIVILIGES ON *.* TO user@<ip address> ?
[05:56] <nickrud> doug_ you can test sudo by opening a terminal and typing sudo ls. it will ask for your password; enter the password you used when you installed.
[05:56] <calc> if they had continued to increase in speed at the same rate we would be at over 10ghz (or equiv speed) now
[05:56] <BeatYOu> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/428
[05:56] <virgule> 1 tgz
[05:57] <virgule> nm
[05:57] <calc> actually iirc intel originally had planned the p4 to reach ~ 10ghz by 2005
[05:57] <bddebian> BeatYOu: Don't we have phpmyadmin packages?
[05:57] <calc> and then the prescott came out :)
[05:57] <nickrud> BeatYOu what I normally do is cd to the directory I want the tar extracted to, then give the full path to the tar file.
[05:57] <BeatYOu> bddebian do we ? apt-get ?
[05:57] <BeatYOu> nickrud ill try that
[05:57] <nameless1> Does anyone here have maya, i just installed maya6.0 and there is no shortcut in the menu. i have found the directorys and tried to start it but can someone just tell me how. I realy need to get this working!
[05:58] <bddebian> BeatYOu: Aye, "sudo apt-get phpmyadmin"
[05:58] <kUser> nameless1: should be as simple as executing maya
[05:58] <inc595> calc i doubt programmers could take advantage of the instructionsets fast enough so to make more money off slow chip they throttle it out ;)
[05:58] <bddebian> BeatYOu: Did you GRANT access to that host?
[05:58] <nameless1> i tried typing maya in the console and tried to execute 3 files called maya in the dirs
[05:58] <nickrud> nameless1 as a general rule, you can find out the program name to call by doing 'dpkg -L | grep bin'
[05:58] <nameless1> i dont know what one is the "real" executable too
[05:58] <eternale1> question: ok i got the ssh server loaded up and started according to /etc/init.d but i can't login from any machine but this one
[05:58] <IIIEars> "Dual Core" - drool - grin
[05:58] <inc595> BeatYOu, use phpmyadmin.. so mush easier
[05:58] <doug_> O.K., I did that.  But I'm not sure what happened.
[05:59] <BeatYOu> bddebian everytime i do sudo apt-get install at the end it alwasy gives me "E: couldn't find package whateverpackage"
[05:59] <nickrud> doug_ you should now have a new directory in the directory you cd'd to.
[05:59] <bddebian> BeatYOu: Do you have universe and multiverse in your sources.list?
[05:59] <BeatYOu> Dont know ? is it on ubuntu guide ?
[06:00] <nickrud> nameless1 I should have said, dpkg -L <packagename> | grep bin :)
[06:00] <nameless1> nickrud:    where in the synatx do i put "maya"   sry im a noob   dpkg -L | grep bin
[06:00] <bddebian> Don't use ubuntuguide :-)
[06:00] <nameless1> yeh lol
[06:00] <nameless1> you beat me 2 it :)
[06:00] <nickrud> nameless1 by one second :)
[06:00] <mega_bass> c.cl
[06:00] <bddebian> BeatYOu: Just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the lines for universe, etc
[06:00] <BeefTube> anyone running blender with hoary 64bit version?
[06:00] <BeatYOu> k
[06:01] <BeatYOu> keep getting same errors when i try to untar this
[06:02] <nameless1> nameless1@ubuntu:~$  dpkg -L maya | grep bin
[06:02] <nameless1> Package `maya' is not installed.
[06:02] <nameless1>    it IS installed..... it had a few rpms that needed extracint and that wroked 100%    im installin kde for incase kde has the shotcut in its menu but does anyone know how to get maya6.0 goin
[06:02] <steven_> <--- New Ubuntu user
[06:02] <Tsunamii> me too :D
[06:02] <Tsunamii> got it yesterday
[06:03] <kUser> nameless1: how did you install Maya 6?
[06:03] <bddebian> steven_: Congrats.  Welcome to the fold. :-)
[06:03] <steven_> LOL yeah man
[06:03] <steven_> am i part of the family?
[06:03] <nameless1> it had some rpm files and i followed the documentation in the thing and extracted it perfectly
[06:03] <BeatYOu> bddebian get all kinds of errors after uncommenting them and attemping phpmyadmin again
[06:03] <nameless1> to the "right dir"
[06:03] <maxy_noob> xmms freezes with streamtuner "tuning in"
[06:03] <kUser> nameless1: having never used said rpms, did you use alien?
[06:04] <nickrud> nameless1 rpm!!
[06:04] <Tsunamii> revs per minute :D
[06:04] <nameless1> yeah i tried to do rpm but it said to type alien, did that and it worked
[06:04] <QMario> Why can't I log in as root using SWAT?
[06:04] <kUser> nameless1: ok, so you installed it via .deb(s)
[06:04] <bddebian> BeatYOu: It can't resolve the names?
[06:04] <QMario> I already did 'sudo smbpasswd -a' in the terminal.
[06:05] <nameless1> /usr/aw/maya6.0 is where it extracted the main rpm
[06:05] <ggeecko_> anyone here uses a palm with ubuntu?
[06:05] <nickrud> QMario I think swat requires a true root password, not sudo
[06:05] <kUser> nameless1: you can try using tab-completion in bash. Open a Terminal (or a Konsole) and type: maya (then hit tab a couple times)
[06:05] <kUser> nameless1: in /usr/aw ?
[06:05] <QMario> Nickrud, what do you mean?
[06:05] <steven_> wow the synaptic manager looks awesome
[06:05] <kUser> nameless1: I bet /usr/aw isn't in your $PATH
[06:05] <Trace> Hello, Can anybody tell me what's difference between i810_audio and snd_intel8x0?
[06:06] <kUser> Trace: i810_audio is the oss/free driver. The other is the alsa driver.
[06:06] <nameless1> rpm -i Maya6_0-6.0-#.i686.rpm AWCommon-6.0-1.i686.rpm AWCommon-server-6.0-1.i686.rpm      this is the command in the documentation that i edited with the right file version and used alien not rpm
[06:06] <kUser> Trace: you'll want to use the latter (the alsa)
[06:06] <steven_> wait
[06:06] <steven_> let me get this straight
[06:06] <nameless1> i opened the rpm and its dir structure is /usr/aw and i went to that dir on the harddrive and it has the stuff
[06:06] <steven_> If i want to install something
[06:06] <steven_> all i need to do
[06:06] <steven_> is go to the synaptic manager?
[06:06] <BeatYOu> bddebian: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/429
[06:06] <QMario> Nickrud are you still there?
[06:06] <bddebian> steven_: Aye, or use apt-get
[06:06] <kUser> nameless1: then you'll need to execute Maya 6 using its full path
[06:06] <adwait> aloha ppl
[06:07] <Trace> thx, kuser!!
[06:07] <nameless1> na i meant that was part of the dir
[06:07] <steven_> wow
[06:07] <steven_> pretty nifty
[06:07] <kUser> nameless1: I presume there're executables in /usr/aw/... ?
[06:07] <nickrud> QMario yeah, I was looking to see if I could back that up :)
[06:07] <bddebian> wb adwait
[06:07] <bddebian> BeatYOu: Did you do an "sudo apt-get update" ?
[06:07] <adwait> thx bd
[06:07] <BeatYOu> tried
[06:07] <steven_> ok what should i use if i dont wanna use gnome
[06:07] <bddebian> steven_: kubuntu
[06:07] <nameless1> /usr/aw/maya6.0/ it goes to here and then its filled with like 20 folders and no other files and some folders have different files called maya
[06:07] <BeatYOu> update is working now
[06:07] <BeatYOu> good
[06:08] <bddebian> sweet
[06:08] <kUser> steven_: there are a variety of window managers and/or desktop environments you can use
[06:08] <Trace> but in /lib/modules/**/modules.alias, both i810_auido and snd_intel8x0 maps the same, shall i just delete i810_audio's alisa?
[06:08] <QMario> Oh, okay.
[06:08] <kUser> Trace: don't touch any of that
[06:08] <IIIEars> steven - you can use synaptic to install the kubuntu-desktop (KDE)
[06:08] <BeatYOu> bddebian: apt-get fully functional
[06:08] <BeatYOu> heh
[06:08] <TokenBad> anyone tried doom 3 for linux on ubuntu?
[06:08] <nickrud> QMario yeah, you need a true root password, not sudo. swat is a web interface, and sudo won't work.
[06:08] <Davey> I just created a script to run 3ddesk, wait 20 seconds (whilst I choose a desktop) and then kill the daemon, so its not sitting there taking up way too many resources
[06:08] <QMario> What is a true root password?
[06:08] <kUser> nameless1: is there a /usr/aw/maya6.0/bin ?
[06:08] <nickrud> QMario sudo passwd root <password>
[06:09] <bddebian> BeatYOu: Sweet, now can you apt-get phpmyadmin?
[06:09] <IIIEars> steven xfce4 is much less resource hungry than even gnome
[06:09] <vinux> TokenBad, there is a version released for linux?
[06:09] <steven_> OMFG this is awesome
[06:09] <QMario> How do I do that?
[06:09] <nickrud> !rootsudo
[06:09] <ubotu> I guess rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:09] <maxy> ok then, how about this: can I get streamtuner to work with an app other than xmms?
[06:09] <BeatYOu> bddebian: yes, hopefully it will know to put it in www where i can use it
[06:09] <TokenBad> so I have seen..but not real sure yet how good it is or anything else
[06:09] <steven_> what do you guys prefer
[06:09] <nickrud> QMario sudo passwd root   will let you create a root pasword
[06:09] <BeatYOu> looks like its putting it in /etc/ :[
[06:09] <steven_> im downloading kde
[06:09] <Trace> Why?
[06:09] <steven_> Whats the best desktop enviorment
[06:09] <crouton> howdy
[06:09] <nameless1> KUser: sry my bad i got it worked its just got a few simple errors
[06:10] <kUser> steven_: kubuntu-desktop, you mean?
[06:10] <adwait> steven_: i like gnome
[06:10] <QMario> Can I use that for swat?
[06:10] <steven_> i dont like gnome
[06:10] <Trace> Anctually, i used hwsetup to autoconfig my hardware.
[06:10] <bddebian> steven_: xpde? ;-P
[06:10] <steven_> i need something more customizable
[06:10] <steven_> xpde?
[06:10] <steven_> hmm
[06:10] <adwait> QMario: run tht command and then use tht password for swat
[06:10] <bddebian> I'm kidding
[06:10] <steven_> never heard
[06:10] <nickrud> QMario you run that command, then, when swat asks for the password, use the one you just created
[06:10] <BeatYOu> ahh beatiful
[06:10] <Trace> but, kuduz tell me my sound card driver is use i810_audio
[06:10] <BeatYOu> phpmyadmin installed
[06:10] <adwait> steven_: if u like a XP like interface xpde
[06:10] <maxy> please?
[06:10] <QMario> When I use sudo smbpasswd -a to create a root user, and logon, it doesn't work.
[06:10] <QMario> Then it says access denied.
[06:10] <kUser> Trace: cat /proc/asound/modules
[06:10] <adwait> steven_:else....lots available KDE, fluxbox, xfce
[06:10] <steven_> its cool
[06:11] <kUser> Trace: type that in a Terminal or a Konsole
[06:11] <adwait> QMario: don't create a root user.just sudo passwd
[06:11] <nickrud> QMario I haven't used samba for a long time, so I can't help there. The web system administration interfaces require a root password.
[06:12] <QMario> Thank you. Let me see if it works. :)
[06:13] <airmikeyy> yo
[06:13] <Trace> thx, i think i know. thx!! kUser
[06:13] <adwait> hmm....so hey can somebody point me to some basic reading for compiling my own kernel?
[06:14] <kUser> adwait: it's probably easiest if you start with kernel-package
[06:14] <BeatYOu> anyone know where the real httpd.conf is? the one in /etc/apache2 seems weird.... only about 10 lines
[06:14] <QMario> Thank God. It works. :-D
[06:14] <bddebian> adwait: En googlis :-)
[06:14] <steven_> fluxbox is kinda ugly
[06:14] <QMario> Thank you everyone.
[06:14] <adwait> kUser: if thts an app........i dont hv it, i guess apt-get
[06:14] <kUser> steven_: you can install additional themes.
[06:15] <steven_> ohh
[06:15] <steven_> can i download fluxbox and xfce on synaptic
[06:15] <bddebian> Should be able to
[06:15] <kUser> steven_: sure. didn't you just install fluxbox?
[06:16] <steven_> nah i was looking at it on the site
[06:16] <steven_> im dwonloading kbuntu
[06:16] <steven_> off synaptic
[06:16] <kUser> steven_: enable the universe repo and install 'fluxbox' for fluxbox and 'xfce4' for Xfce
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> and a dozen others :P
[06:16] <_0kills> steven_, sudo apt-get install fluxbox (or kde, xfce4, and theres one more for windows manager, but i cant remember it)
[06:17] <adwait> hey heres another problem.......apt-get sometimes cant resolve hostnames.....it looks for ip 1.0.0.0
[06:17] <nickrud> steven_ you want to see ugly, try twm :)
[06:17] <steven_> ;pp;
[06:17] <steven_> lol
[06:17] <adwait> i had to replace the urls with ip addresses in sources.list to gt it to work..why?
[06:17] <steven_> what is
[06:17] <steven_> sudo
[06:17] <bddebian> xfce4 is nice
[06:17] <BeatYOu> uhh, anyone know how to change default root/nopassword account for MySQL
[06:17] <adwait> steven_: it is a command which allows u to work as root
[06:17] <BeatYOu> at least add a password ?
[06:17] <bddebian> adwait: Your resolv.conf is jacked up?
[06:17] <scanwinder> is there an easy to use config utility for setting up dual monitors that will work in ubuntu?
[06:17] <_0kills> steven_, pretty new to linux/ubuntu?
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> try 'matchbox' window manager :P lol
[06:18] <steven_> no su is root in redhat
[06:18] <adwait> bddebian: well.....firefox seems to resolve the URLS fine...
[06:18] <steven_> sudo is root in ubuntu i see
[06:18] <tiglionabbit> !sudo
[06:18] <_0kills> yea
[06:18] <ubotu> hmm... sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:18] <adwait> the same issue with XChat, i had to replace irc.freenode.net with an ip address
[06:18] <kUser> BeatYOu: aren't you using mysqladmin?
[06:18] <bddebian> BeatYOu: Are you trying to mysql --user=root mysql ?
[06:18] <adwait> steven_:no..urnt getting it.....well try tht link
[06:18] <steven_> im not getting it
[06:18] <steven_> lol
[06:18] <nickrud> steven_ sudo is something that can give specific rights to a user, without them needing to know the root password
[06:19] <BeatYOu> yes phpmyadmin, but the passwords are encyrpted in there
[06:19] <bddebian> adwait: That makes no sense
[06:19] <steven_> ohhh
[06:19] <steven_> ok
[06:19] <QMario> Bye, everyone. :)
[06:19] <BeatYOu> bddebian: no, just tyring to change the default for MySQL login
[06:19] <bddebian> adwait: What is in /etc/resolv.conf ?
[06:19] <_0kills> later QMario
[06:19] <Grooby> hey all
[06:19] <Grooby> i am trying to run mii-tool on my shuttle xpc (nforce2 chipset)
[06:19] <Grooby> and getting this funky message
[06:20] <Grooby> SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Operation not supported
[06:20] <Grooby> no MII interfaces found
[06:20] <Barney> i just installed ubuntu for the first time, and my monitor's resolution is terrible: 512x384. it's the only option in the preferences pane, though, so how can i make it better? anyone?
[06:20] <Grooby> i can go on internet w/ out any problem
[06:20] <kUser> Grooby: using forcedeth?
[06:20] <Grooby> kuser: yes
[06:20] <kUser> Grooby: that's because that chipset has no mii
[06:20] <adwait> bddebian:resolv.conf points to my ADSL router.....which is configured to get the DNS server
[06:20] <nickrud> !resolution
[06:20] <ubotu> resolution is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:20] <Grooby> hmmmm
[06:21] <Grooby> is there anyway I can see if it's working at 100mb or 10mb?
[06:21] <BeatYOu> NM didn't see the change password in phpmyadmin
[06:21] <BeatYOu> heh
[06:21] <nickrud> Barney that resolution thing should be your first step
[06:21] <Barney> nickrud: type that in terminal?
[06:21] <bddebian> adwait: I don't think that is right.  Is firefox using your adsl router as a proxy?
[06:21] <adwait> umm....ok i apt-get (got?) the kernel-package.......now wht?
[06:21] <nickrud> Barney no, go to  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto , it has instructions
[06:21] <adwait> bddebian: nope..it is working w/o proxies
[06:22] <adwait> bddebian: u think i should directly add the DNS server to the resolv.conf and try?
[06:22] <nickrud> Barney if that doesn't work, check in here again.
[06:22] <kUser> Grooby: wait, you were using sudo, correct?
[06:22] <kUser> adwait: now read the man page for make-kpkg
[06:22] <Grooby> sudo or root term
[06:22] <Grooby> same thing
[06:22] <kUser> Grooby: right, that's a hardware limitation
[06:22] <bddebian> adwait: Yes, I would try that
[06:23] <Grooby> welp..that just blow a big fat left nutty
[06:24] <maxy> figured out the xmms freeze.
[06:25] <maxy> options > output > choose "esound"
[06:25] <adwait> brb
[06:27] <adwait> hm......bddebian tht appears to have fixed the resolution problem thx
[06:28] <adwait> but the name resolution is still pretty slow.......if i use an ip i get connected much much faster
[06:28] <maxy> Ok, how do I change this awful unintelligible xmms skin?
[06:28] <BeatYOu> using phpmyadmin how would i allow remote connections?
[06:28] <BeatYOu> dont understand
[06:29] <BeatYOu> still get the error saying my machine isn't allowed to connect
[06:29] <nickrud> lol
[06:29] <HrdwrBoB> maxy: look at the options
[06:29] <HrdwrBoB> I bet you can figure it out
[06:29] <maxy> so this is the only skin that comes with it?
[06:29] <maxy> yeesh
[06:30] <bddebian> adwait: :-)
[06:30] <kUser> maxy: download some
[06:30] <bddebian> BeatYOu: You have to do: GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO <user>@<host or ip>
[06:31] <HrdwrBoB> maxy: xmms-skins package
[06:31] <duken> hi
[06:31] <cafuego> bddebian: Does phpmyadmin run on the same box as mysql?
[06:31] <bddebian> Hello duken
[06:32] <duken> i have problem with print from openoffice
[06:32] <bddebian> cafuego: It can
[06:32] <nickrud> I found a decent guide to make-kpkg once, I can't seem to find it anymore
[06:32] <duken> won't print
[06:32] <cafuego> Eh
[06:32] <duken> :(
[06:32] <BeatYOu> bddebian, thanks, i tired just * but had to actually ad my IP
[06:32] <cafuego> BeatYOu: Does phpmyadmin run on the same box as mysql?
[06:32] <adwait> nickrud: :(........thx for looking though :)
[06:32] <BeatYOu> cafuego no
[06:32] <BeatYOu> its fixed now
[06:33] <BeatYOu> haha, wait, cafuego misunderstood your question
[06:33] <BeatYOu> yes it does
[06:33] <cafuego> BeatYOu: Ok, then you'll ineed need to specify the IP and make sure mysql is listening on the network
[06:33] <maxy> HrdwrBoB, that's an idea, thanks!
[06:33] <cafuego> BeatYOu: Ah ok, then you do NOT grant any extra rights.
[06:33] <duken> i can't print from openoffice, but from others like abiword, i can
[06:33] <adwait> cafuego: mysql doesnt listen to the network.........does it?
[06:33] <cafuego> BeatYOu: Did you set up the mysql root user?
[06:33] <cafuego> adwait: Not by default, no.
[06:33] <nickrud> adwait http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html, but it's not the one I was looking for.
[06:33] <duken> how to fix it ?
[06:33] <BeatYOu> yea with password, also made a new one for me to access from my machine/ip only
[06:33] <cafuego> adwait: If the apache box running phpmyadmin was a different machine it would need to, though.
[06:34] <nickrud> my, that's old
[06:34] <BeatYOu> cafuego - do i need to keep ahold of the mysql account debian-sys-maint ?
[06:35] <maxy> geez, these designers think we have paranormal vision!
[06:35] <BeatYOu> or can it be deleted
[06:35] <adwait> cafuego: hm k
[06:35] <cafuego> BeatYOu: Cool. Just edit /eyc/phpmyadmin/config.inc.php and set the root password for $cfg['Servers'] [$i] ['controlpass'] 
[06:35] <scanwinder> does anyone know of any good config utilities that will setup dual display?
[06:35] <cafuego> BeatYOu: No, do not delete the debian-sys-maint user.
[06:35] <adwait> nickrud: hmm......thx....ill try tht tonight
[06:36] <kUser> scanwinder: for nvidia cards?
[06:36] <nickrud> adwait I think the docs I'm looking for are in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package, but, since I'm on dialup right now, I can't check there.
[06:37] <hyapadi> I already open samba port in firestarter, but my windows machine won't access my ubuntu server unless i stop the firewall. is there any other port that i should open? Thx
[06:37] <cafuego> BeatYOu: By default, you should be able to log in at http://hostname/phpmyadmin/ using your sql user/pass combo.
[06:37] <scanwinder> kUser, for ATI
[06:37] <kUser> scanwinder: their documentation should help
[06:37] <BeatYOu> cafuego i can, but I like to manage with the GUI MySQL Administrator tool put out by mysql
[06:37] <BeatYOu> I setup phpmyadmin for users that I host
[06:37] <BeatYOu> friends mainly
[06:37] <BeatYOu> for their DBs
[06:38] <cafuego> BeatYOu: *nod*
[06:38] <adwait> nickrud: yeah..there are readme files here.thx
[06:38] <BeatYOu> i've been hosting on a windows machine, but installed unbuntu today to get my feet in linux
[06:38] <BeatYOu> and am enjoying t
[06:38] <cafuego> should give you far better performance too
[06:38] <BeatYOu> most definatly
[06:38] <BeatYOu> ive noticed it already
[06:38] <nickrud> adwait np, I usually look there under the package name first for stuff, it's usually good.
[06:38] <BeatYOu> even with bulky VNC running
[06:39] <bddebian> BeatYOu: Just for kicks, I would still try SQLyog.  It's pretty nice :-)
[06:39] <cafuego> not that i'd ever DREAM of claiming windows sucked...
[06:39] <BeatYOu> bddebian yea it is, was just about to take a look
[06:40] <adwait> nickrud: hmm....i didnt know abt /usr/share/doc......directory.......thx
[06:40] <BeatYOu> it definatly does for web hosting
[06:40] <bimberi> Barney: /j #slug
[06:40] <BeatYOu> LAMP > WAMP
[06:40] <bimberi> oops
[06:41] <BeatYOu> cool, what are server specs ?
[06:42] <BeatYOu> i just host friends mainly, and an image uploader for forums etc
[06:42] <cafuego> Athlon XP 2600+ with 1 GB ram
[06:42] <BeatYOu> am using spare parts with Athlon XP 1800+ , 512mb, nothing special
[06:42] <cafuego> with about 350Mb ram unused
[06:42] <BeatYOu> will hopefully be my MythTV box also
[06:42] <BeatYOu> but thats in a few days
[06:42] <bddebian> Well bed time for this old man.  Good night folks and enjoy!
[06:43] <cafuego> mythtv can run on the scary athlon64 desktop ;-)
[06:43] <BeatYOu> later thanks for the help
[06:43] <BeatYOu> cafuego you know where the real httpd.conf is, the one in /etc/apache2 is only about 10 lines
[06:43] <bddebian> BeatYOu: Did I help any? ;-P
[06:43] <BeatYOu> bddebian you did ;] 
[06:44] <digitalfox> BeatYOu, it's put in a ton of places
[06:44] <BeatYOu> which is the one i should use
[06:44] <cafuego> BeatYOu: /etc/apache2/sites-available/default  - just make new files for new hosts, then run 'sudo a2ensite' to enable 'em
[06:44] <bddebian> BeatYOu: "sudo find / -name httpd.conf" :-)
[06:44] <cafuego> BeatYOu: Also see /etc/apache2/apache2.conf | ports.conf and mods-enabled/*.conf
[06:46] <BeatYOu> so mkdir test.host.com ?
[06:46] <BeatYOu> in sites-available
[06:46] <cafuego> BeatYOu: No, a FILE in /etc/apache2/sites-available
[06:46] <BeatYOu> just empty ?
[06:46] <cafuego> BeatYOu: Well, with all the directives (logging, features etc) for your VirtualHost
[06:47] <BeatYOu> so just copy from default and go from there ?
[06:47] <cafuego> Yeah, that's easiest.
[06:47] <cafuego> I could give you my script... :-)
[06:47] <lumberjack> hey when i mount my serial ata in my /mnt/folder/ it sets the permissions to root
[06:48] <BeatYOu> would be awesome, anything in particular you have enabled? i need mod_rewrite for sure
[06:48] <cafuego> lumberjack: yes
[06:48] <BeatYOu> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:48] <cafuego> BeatYOu: No, i don't use rewrite; pretty much php in safe mode, the odd ssl site and that's it.
[06:49] <lumberjack> cafuego, yeah whats the command line
[06:49] <lumberjack> cafuego, isnt it like mode=000 or somethign
[06:49] <cafuego> lumberjack: man mount, check umask, uid and gid
[06:49] <lumberjack> cafuego, thnx
[06:50] <Tsunamii> what's a good mp3 player?
[06:50] <Tsunamii> with updated audio codecs
[06:50] <Tsunamii> i don't like totem playing my music files too :(
[06:50] <nickrud> Tsunamii I use muine mostly
[06:50] <knoppix> Tsunamii, beep-media-player, amarok
[06:51] <Tsunamii> hmm
[06:51] <nickrud> Tsunamii huh, download :)
[06:51] <cafuego> BeatYOu: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/430
[06:51] <Tsunamii> what's the most popular? :P
[06:51] <cafuego> BeatYOu: Just comment out the webalizer stuff
[06:51] <nickrud> Tsunamii rhythmbox is on the cd, but you will need gstreamer0.8-mad from universe
[06:51] <mae> why does us.archive.ubuntu.com always get borked?
[06:51] <BeatYOu> is there an apt-get for webalizer? could use that myself
[06:51] <Tsunamii> gstreamer ?
[06:51] <cafuego> BeatYOu: Yes, there is.
[06:51] <Tsunamii> ok
[06:51] <BeatYOu> neat
[06:51] <Tsunamii> i'll check that out in snaptix
[06:51] <HrdwrBoB> awstats is superior to webalizer
[06:52] <Barney> ok, i went to the wiki and tried the first option for fixing my screen resolution, but now i can't see anything. the monitor is completely blank. all the other methods involve being able to see the screen, so does anyone have any ideas? aside from reinstalling?
[06:52] <HrdwrBoB> in my experience (which is using them both for a hosting company)
[06:52] <nickrud> Tsunamii that gstreamer thing lets rhythmbox play mp3's
[06:52] <SysFail> these random kaffeine and konqueror crashes are getting beyond annoying
[06:52] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: it's much of a muchness when clients don't know the difference between a hit and a visit.
[06:52] <SysFail> arent these documented anywhere?
[06:52] <Tsunamii> nickrud, any other codecs I should download?
[06:53] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: possibly, but there's more info in awstats, and it's a whole lot less of a giant pain in the arse on the server side
[06:53] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Howso pain?
[06:53] <nickrud> Tsunamii there are a lot of odd codecs for music, but for mp3's that's all you need
[06:53] <Tsunamii> thanks
[06:53] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: webalizer is wacky, does things month by month, isn't easy to use in a more complicated environment
[06:54] <Tsunamii> hmm
[06:54] <HrdwrBoB> if you want a simple pretty page for a few websites
[06:54] <cafuego> BeatYOu: Oh, and you may need to tweak the ownership lines in that script; mine use an ftp virtual user (chroot stuff, sql backend)
[06:54] <HrdwrBoB> it's easy
[06:54] <Tsunamii> still not happy about the quality of sound it's producing
[06:54] <HrdwrBoB> but if you want to get decent stats for 500 websites per server....
[06:54] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Does it run off a single amalgamated logfile?
[06:55] <HrdwrBoB> well, webalizer needs logs spliut by month.. wtf there
[06:55] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: it can
[06:55] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: webalizer doesn't need the logs split
[06:55] <HrdwrBoB> I was using it with a piped process
[06:55] <Tsunamii> is there somehow to update the sound drivers or something?
[06:55] <Tsunamii> the sound output really sucks :/
[06:56] <nickrud> Tsunamii mpg123 is a command line mp3 player, I think some people use it to check sound.
[06:56] <BeatYOu> can awstats and webalizer be used simulataniously ;]  ?
[06:56] <cafuego> BeatYOu: No reason why not
[06:56] <BeatYOu> great
[06:56] <Tsunamii> i just pop that in to the terminal nickrud ?
[06:57] <HrdwrBoB> BeatYOu: only if you're a glutton for punishment
[06:57] <nickrud> Tsunamii yeah, mpg123 <mp3>
[06:57] <BeatYOu> cafuego are yoru webalizer dirs the default ?
[06:57] <phlange> hello
[06:57] <phlange> i just installed
[06:57] <phlange> first time on linux
[06:57] <speel> hey
[06:57] <keyshawn> howdy, can anyone remind me where the gnome logs are at ?
[06:57] <Tsunamii> hmm
[06:57] <Tsunamii> command not found
[06:57] <keyshawn> i think its in /usr/share/gnome
[06:57] <Tsunamii> meh, dw :P
[06:57] <keyshawn> but I can't find it in there.
[06:58] <nickrud> Tsunamii it's also in universe, there are no mp3 players on the cd ;)
[06:58] <speel> keyshawn, might be in /var/log
[06:58] <bimberi> phlange: hi
[06:58] <Tsunamii> ok
[06:58] <keyshawn> i was trying to use gdesklets
[06:58] <keyshawn> and then after installing it
[06:58] <keyshawn> via apt
[06:58] <Tsunamii> what else is neat that I should install? :P
[06:58] <speel> Lol gdesklets was hell for me
[06:58] <keyshawn> when i try to log into gnome [and failsafe]  the screen flickers and im back @ the log-in screen
[06:59] <keyshawn> I already did apt-get remove gdesklets, though that didn't solve it.
[06:59] <nickrud> pan, and liferea or straw
[06:59] <keyshawn> Tsunamii, how about wget ?
[06:59] <keyshawn> hehe.
[06:59] <keyshawn> get to know that.
[07:00] <Tsunamii> what's that?
[07:00] <nickrud> wget is one of the great ones :)
[07:00] <keyshawn> damn right
[07:00] <Tsunamii> but what is it? D:!
[07:00] <nickrud> wget = web get (darn near anything)
[07:00] <speel> Tsunamii, wget is just a program that grabs files fromthe net say like wget www.bla.com/bla.zip
[07:00] <Barney> anyone got any tips for my monitor problem?
[07:00] <evilgod69> anyone had problems with frozen-bubble & sound from universe on ubuntu 5.04?
[07:00] <BeatYOu> cafuego assuming i need to chagne this VHOST_IP also
[07:01] <Tsunamii> is that all? :P
[07:01] <speel> yea
[07:01] <Tsunamii> that's dumb, i'll do it manually :P
[07:01] <speel> evilgod69, nope not here
[07:02] <nickrud> Barney that web page didn't help?
[07:02] <maxy_noob> Is there a peer to peer app in synaptic?
[07:02] <speel> i suggest to all noobs go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:02] <keyshawn> maxy_noob, there's azureus, gtk-gnutella, nicotine, amule.
[07:02] <keyshawn> newbies*
[07:02] <Barney> nickrud: not exactly. i tried the first solution, and now my screen is blank. can't see anything.
[07:02] <maxy_noob> which is best for dl'ing music?
[07:02] <evilgod69> anyone NOT had problems with frozen-bubbles sound from universe on ubuntu 5.04?
[07:03] <speel> maxy_noob, limewire :D
[07:03] <jasmuz> evilgod69: me
[07:03] <speel> for me any way
[07:03] <maxy_noob> I dl'd it but it looks complicated to install
[07:03] <speel> maxy_noob, http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[07:03] <odie5533> There a way to see whats on an mbr of a drive/delete what is on it?
[07:04] <BeatYOu> cafuego so i save this file as my domain name or something ?
[07:05] <keyshawn> here's a pastebin of what I found via .xsession
[07:05] <maxy_noob> nothing there speel
[07:05] <keyshawn> http://pastebin.com/308740
[07:05] <maxy_noob> unofficial starter guide
[07:05] <cafuego> BeatYOu: the thing I pasted is a shells cript that generated a vhost entry for apache2
[07:05] <speel> maxy_noob, it tells you exactly how to install limewire
[07:05] <maxy_noob> are you sure?
[07:05] <keyshawn> uhh yeah
[07:05] <speel> Lol yea
[07:05] <keyshawn> just follow the directions
[07:06] <BeatYOu> errr, i mis understood then, so i replace everything in default with this
[07:06] <nickrud> Barney if you made a backup of xorg.conf, you can get back to what you had by copying it back.
[07:06] <speel> Lol
[07:06] <maxy_noob> 'cause when I go there the page is Unofficial Ubuntu 5.04 Starter Guide
[07:06] <speel> scroll down
[07:06] <Barney> nickrud: that would have been a good idea, eh? however, i didn't do that.
[07:07] <maxy_noob> right, ok well it's still loading.
[07:07] <maxy_noob> hmmmmm
[07:07] <maxy_noob> weird
[07:07] <Barney> nickrud: guess i'm reinstalling.
[07:07] <maxy_noob> I'm sure it will time out or something.
[07:07] <speel> works for me =/
[07:07] <nickrud> Barney then, sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf , then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.
[07:07] <nickrud> no reinstall necessary
[07:08] <Barney> nickrud: where should i type that?
[07:08] <nickrud> Barney in a terminal, applications->system tools->terminal
[07:08] <Barney> nickrud: how should i get a terminal open if i can't see anything?
[07:08] <bimberi> Barney: <ctrl><alt>F2 - then log in
[07:09] <nickrud> Barney heh, duh, all that :)
[07:09] <nickrud> Barney ctl-alt-f1 will get you a virtual console, you can log in there and run those commands
[07:10] <Barney> oh, the ctrl-alt-F2 worked
[07:11] <^thehatsrule^> F1-6 i believe
[07:11] <airmikeyy> is it possible to rotate the desktop
[07:11] <gpd> If I have an AMD64 chip, but I want to run 32Bit ubuntu, is the i686 kernel the one to choose?
[07:11] <Tsunamii> what's the hotkeys for terminating a program?
[07:12] <speel> Tsunamii, well i open up a console and type xkill
[07:12] <Arnia> Wow, the Ubuntu packages even include Perligata. I can write programs in perl using Latin syntax and vocab. Ubuntu truly has it all ;)
[07:12] <bimberi> Tsunamii: <ctrl>C (if the program is running in a terminal)
[07:12] <Tsunamii> i see
[07:12] <Tsunamii> what if it isn't running in term?
[07:12] <nickrud> latin? as in cicero???
[07:12] <jasmuz> gpd:  the closest you can get is a k7
[07:13] <Tsunamii> netsplit!
[07:13] <evilgod69> the one thing that's annoying me about ubuntu, is how i can't get sound on frozen-bubble, yet the sound for everything else is fine
[07:13] <speel> o then ctrl+c
[07:13] <Tsunamii> i see
[07:13] <Tsunamii> thanks :)
[07:13] <Tsunamii> and what's copy and paste?
[07:13] <Tsunamii> just normal?
[07:13] <speel> yea
[07:13] <Arnia> nickrud: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/Perligata.html
[07:13] <gpd> jasmuz: interesting option... k7 is athlon... nice idea
[07:13] <gpd> any 64bit ubuntu people around?
[07:14] <jasmuz> evilgod69: you must make FB use another sound source
[07:14] <Tsunamii> but how come when i copy and paste, whatever I copied must still be open?
[07:14] <evilgod69> jasmuz: how =D
[07:14] <nickrud> ok, all I need now is a time machine :)
[07:14] <Tsunamii> when i try to copy a URL, and close firefox - paste doesn't work
[07:14] <Arnia> nickrud: It is just a bit of fun, but it was a bit of fun that I stumbled across doing serious natural language research so it amuses me more. Valuable break in work :)
[07:14] <speel> try ctrl+c to copy it
[07:14] <speel> then right click to paste
[07:14] <bimberi> Tsunamii: Yes, an annoyance,  there is a workaround.  I'll see if I can find it
[07:14] <The_Vox> evilgod69: did you install the frozen bubble sound package? I remember seeing something about that in aptitude
[07:14] <Tsunamii> yeah
[07:14] <maxy_noob> Speel, weird ... works in dillo
[07:14] <jasmuz> evilgod69: remember FB uses ESD
[07:15] <speel> odd
[07:15] <spencerw> What command do you use to open and edit a protected file (read and write only for root)?
[07:15] <nickrud> Arnia it brought back trying to read Poo ;)
[07:15] <speel> spencerw, sudo gedit file.whatever
[07:15] <evilgod69> jasmus: ah, k, so i need to get it to use oss or alsa... can u point me in the right direction on how to tell it to use one of those 2?
[07:15] <The_Vox> spencerw: sudo <whatevereditor> <whateverfile>
[07:16] <jasmuz> evilgod69: wait a sec, let me evalute the config files
[07:16] <spencerw> Thanks, speel and The_Vox
[07:16] <speel> np
[07:16] <Arnia> nickrud: I like Latin as a language ;) Seeing the Sieve of Eratosthenes as a piece of machine understood Latin was very cool :)
[07:17] <eternale1> can you get win32codecs to play wmv files in xine?
[07:17] <^thehatsrule^> yes
[07:17] <Tsunamii> don't need xine
[07:17] <Tsunamii> D:
[07:17] <BeatYOu> how do you delete a file in terminal ? :[
[07:17] <kUser> BeatYOu: rm
[07:18] <eternale1> what else can you use to play them
[07:18] <BeatYOu> damn
[07:18] <The_Vox> BeatYOu: rm filename
[07:18] <speel> BeatYOu, or if its a folder type rm -rf dir
[07:18] <The_Vox> eternale1: mplayer works well too...and you can use win32 codecs for it too
[07:18] <eternale1> ya ok i got it working in xine
[07:18] <eternale1> ty
[07:19] <BeatYOu> Spec -rf makes it recursive ?
[07:19] <BeatYOu> speel
[07:19] <BeatYOu> sorry
[07:19] <nickrud> Arnia I love dead languages that Keep Coming Back :)
[07:19] <speel> it just removes the folder :P
[07:19] <eternale1> my apt-get won't get mplayer
[07:19] <The_Vox> BeatYOu: recursive and it doesn't ask for confirmation...so make certain you type the right path
[07:19] <eternale1> even using --fix-missing
[07:20] <kUser> eternale1: you need the multiverse and universe repos enabled
[07:20] <eternale1> ya
[07:20] <eternale1> i know
[07:20] <eternale1> i have them
[07:20] <The_Vox> eternale1: multiverse, IIRC
[07:20] <kUser> eternale1: and you need to pass the version of mplayer explicitly
[07:20] <bimberi> Tsunamii: OK, the workaround is "gnome-clipboard-daemon".  It's not in any repositories though.
[07:20] <eternale1> im doing mplayer-386
[07:20] <Arnia> nickrud: Latin is, in some ways, pretty alive. It is still in use, and new vocabulary gets coined. It just has a very very small community (the Vatican really ;))
[07:20] <jasmuz> evilgod69: im sorry to say i cant find any file that could point me in the direction, but are you using ESD or ALSA as your default sink?
[07:21] <speel> Arnia, Lol latin is old shool
[07:21] <eternale1> fails fetch with --fix-missing and without
[07:21] <Arnia> nickrud: But the distinction between dead and alive languages is about as contentious as you get in social linguistic terms so :)
[07:21] <speel> school*
[07:21] <nickrud> Arnia I almost was one of those, the academic type that is, until I realized my university often had more grad students in classics than undergrads
[07:21] <phlange> what do i need to type to get my hdb1 mounted
[07:21] <Madpilot> Arnia: they're not dead, they're just sleeping? :)
[07:21] <nickrud> bad career advancement opportunities
[07:21] <vladuz976> does anybody know to what directory i have to copy new fonts? if i wanna install more?
[07:21] <The_Vox> phlange: mount -t auto /dev/hdb1 /mnt
[07:21] <The_Vox> phlange: make that: sudo mount -t auto /dev/hdb1 /mnt
[07:22] <Arnia> speel: My house-mates are classics students. I am going to try and get one of them to do an i18n for Gnome in Latin (just for giggles)
[07:22] <gpd> has anyone tried 32bit ubuntu with 64bit chroot? what programs show *real* speedup in 64 bit?
[07:22] <The_Vox> vladuz976: ~/.fonts should work, IIRC
[07:22] <evilgod69> jasmuz: i'm really new to this unfortunantly... the sound thing on the gnome gui mentions oss & alsa, and no other programs seem to be having problems
[07:22] <HrdwrBoB> gpd: I use a 32bit chroot
[07:22] <speel> Lol
[07:22] <HrdwrBoB> in a 64bit system
[07:22] <HrdwrBoB> that would be better
[07:23] <speel> any one here takes computer science in college?
[07:23] <HrdwrBoB> given that most benefit is from the kernel
[07:23] <jasmuz> does anyone now how to permanently set a computer to i gateway, i use route add default gw xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx, but i want a permanent setting
[07:23] <gpd> HrdwrBoB: yeah, I have that dual boot... but it seems too many programs require chroot 32 bit to make 64 bit worthwhile
[07:23] <HrdwrBoB> jasmuz: set it in the network settings
[07:23] <phlange> and then where would i find hdb1 once i mounted it?
[07:23] <jasmuz> evilgod69: i suggest you check ubuntuforums.org to see if there is a fix
[07:23] <The_Vox> phlange: in /mnt
[07:23] <Arnia> nickrud: I'm using Latin as a good test language for my natural language understanding work. I figure that it is a pretty stable, well examined example of a highly inflectional language. Good counterbalance to English
[07:23] <nickrud> speel when I went to university, there were no computer science departments
[07:23] <jasmuz> HrdwrBoB: i want another method to set it to...its another linux device
[07:24] <gpd> plus I want to use Xen with 32bit domU's so 32bit base seems more sensible
[07:24] <kUser> eternale1: apt-get install mplayer-386=1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[07:24] <nickrud> well examined, indeed
[07:24] <HrdwrBoB> jasmuz: that program writes /etc/network/interfaces
[07:24] <levander> Anybody know where I can check to see what name brand has the best performing DVD-R discs?
[07:24] <speel> gr Lol
[07:24] <HrdwrBoB> that's where the settings go
[07:24] <Arnia> speel: I finished my bachelors in AI a month ago. I'm now about to start my doctorate :)
[07:24] <gpd> are there benchmarks for 32bit versus 64bit?
[07:24] <phlange> how do i make myself the owner of /mnt?
[07:24] <kUser> speel: many of us did/do
[07:24] <vladuz976> The_Vox, i copied them in there, but it seems that those are the only ones in there now. i don't see the rest of my fonts there
[07:24] <speel> when you first took computer science do they assume that you know nothing about programing?
[07:25] <levander> phlange: there are options to mount individual directories with permissions for certain users.  Wouldn't chown /mnt itself.
[07:25] <eternale1> kUser: still fails with apt-get install mplayer-386=1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[07:25] <kUser> speel: not really
[07:25] <The_Vox> vladuz976: the system-wide fonts are somewhere under /usr
[07:25] <levander> phlange: options to the mount command
[07:25] <kUser> eternale1: make sure you don't have any external repos enabled
[07:25] <nickrud> eternale1 what does apt-cache policy mplayer say?
[07:25] <Hawk73> Hi all. I am new to UBUNTU and need help with QT3
[07:25] <nickrud> eternale1 what does apt-cache policy mplayer-386 say?
[07:25] <speel> Hmm i wonder if all colleges are like that tho
[07:25] <kUser> speel: it really depends on the program
[07:26] <vladuz976> The_Vox, meaning i can only use the new ones for limited
[07:26] <eternale1> can i paste it or no?
[07:26] <Arnia> speel: they lecture you on the basics and then expect you to teach yourself what you need to actually pass. Typical UK degree structure :)
[07:26] <The_Vox> vladuz976: /usr/share/fonts actually
[07:26] <kUser> eternale1: use #flood
[07:26] <eternale1> ok
[07:26] <vladuz976> The_Vox, so where is it best to copy them
[07:26] <speel> Arnia, shit Lol that sucks
[07:26] <p0m> Would anyone be able to direct me to a howto on how to set up a swap file, not partition?
[07:26] <Arnia> speel: Even that minimal amount of spoonfeeding annoyed me
[07:27] <The_Vox> vladuz976: if you want the new fonts to be usable by every user in the system, they have to go in /usr/share/fonts/truetype
[07:27] <p0m> IE, I don't have a swap partition, but I want to create a file to use with loopback as a swap partition.
[07:27] <gpd> HrdwrBoB: any advantages you haev found with 64bit base?
[07:27] <speel> because this year i have to pick out a college and what i want to do for the rest of my life lol
[07:27] <The_Vox> vladuz976: if you only have one user, it won't make a difference if you stick them in ~/.fonts or /usr/share/fonts/truetype
[07:27] <Arnia> speel: I'm glad that I'm out of it now. Four years (I had to repeat my third year due to illness) of it nearly drove me mad
[07:27] <The_Vox> vladuz976: if you have more than one user, then it's better to stick them in /usr/share/fonts/truetype
[07:27] <kUser> speel: nothing says you have to pick only one thing and do it for the rest of your life
[07:27] <phlange> so how do i get to the files from hdb1 that i mounted in /mnt if i can't give myself permission to access /mnt
[07:27] <HrdwrBoB> gpd: none :)
[07:28] <Arnia> Spoonfeeding is for A Level students. You read your degree IMO ;)
[07:28] <vladuz976> The_Vox, thanks i'll try
[07:28] <BeatYOu> awww no apt-get for mythtv :[
[07:28] <HrdwrBoB> gpd: it's on a server that does SFA traffic
[07:28] <kUser> eternale1: what repos do you have enabled?
[07:28] <levander> BeatYOu: apt-get's in universe or multiverse, but it's difficult to get working from what I've heard
[07:28] <The_Vox> speel: I'm a communication science dude who has done sys/net admining for the last 10+ years...studying one thing doesn't mean you have to work on that for the rest of your life
[07:28] <vladuz976> The_Vox, need to log out and back in to make show up>
[07:28] <kUser> BeatYOu: it's in multiverse
[07:28] <Hawk73> Want to build TORA with ORACLE and get qmodules.h error :-(???
[07:28] <The_Vox> vladuz976: uhm...are you using gnome or kde?
[07:28] <signbarn> is there a telnet client in ubuntu?
[07:29] <kUser> signbarn: yes
[07:29] <vladuz976> The_Vox, gnome
[07:29] <kUser> BeatYOu: Candidate: 0.17-3
[07:29] <gpd> HrdwrBoB: I used to work for a company that used microparalelism to code at super speeds on 64bit alphas... so the temptation is there... ;)
[07:29] <signbarn> how do i access it?
[07:29] <BeatYOu> kUser?
[07:29] <hyphenated> signbarn: open a shell, and type in 'telnet'
[07:29] <eternale1> i used that file from the extra repositories for the sources.list file
[07:29] <BeatYOu> just started linux all together today
[07:29] <The_Vox> vladuz976: I'm not sure, but you probably need to log out and back in.
[07:29] <speel> hmm really? because here its like they make it seem what you pick for college is what youll do for the rest of your life
[07:29] <eternale1> or what they recommneded at least
[07:29] <kUser> BeatYOu: enable the multiverse repository and install mythtv
[07:29] <vladuz976> The_Vox, thanks see ya
[07:29] <Arnia> speel: Where is 'here'?
[07:29] <speel> Nyc
[07:29] <The_Vox> vladuz976: but I can't tell you for sure...haven't used gnome since...uhm...since Miguel moved to the US lol!
[07:29] <BeatYOu> kUser is that in sources.list ?
[07:30] <kUser> speel: no, that's not the case, particularly in this day and age. Flexibility is key.
[07:30] <HrdwrBoB> speel: I did two years of uni and then quit
[07:30] <kUser> BeatYOu: yes
[07:30] <HrdwrBoB> speel: now I'm working quit successfully and happily as a sysadmin
[07:30] <phlange> so hdb1 is mounted in /mnt. how do i give myself permission to access the files from that harddrive without actually doing chown /mnt
[07:30] <airmikeyy> yo guys i made an icon for ...synaptic, but it wont open cause i need to type password
[07:30] <nickrud> eternale1 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExampleConffiles has a good sources list (the better organized version), provided by one of the doc team guys.
[07:30] <Arnia> Whereas I'm an academic and I'm unlikely to ever leave Durham (if I can manage it ;)
[07:31] <The_Vox> speel: it makes laboral life much easier if you do pick the right degree for what you want to do the rest of your life...having a degree on one field and trying to find work in a different field is hard the first 4 or 5 years, until you have the right amount of experience for education not to really matter.
[07:31] <evilgod69> jasmuz: thanks =D it's working now... now to do a fresh install to clean-up the mess i made while trying to fix it b4
[07:31] <nickrud> eternale1 it's easy to mess up the one that comes with the cd
[07:31] <The_Vox> phlange: read the mount manpage ("man mount") and use the options needed to make it accessible for your user\
[07:31] <levander> nobody knows about dvd-r disc brands?
[07:31] <eternale1> should i just use the one from this wiki page ?
[07:31] <eternale1> everything else has worked so far
[07:31] <speel> Hmm very intresting
[07:31] <eternale1> with the sources.list
[07:31] <eternale1> i have now
[07:31] <The_Vox> levander: whichever is cheaper at the X store I happen to buy them at lol!
[07:32] <Arnia> A practically minded academic, but an academic nonetheless. My friends think I'm mad doing a doctorate in Durham. A lot of them have gone off to Cambridge. I couldn't leave such a beautiful city though.
[07:32] <speel> so basicly i just have to dip my toes in everything?
[07:32] <levander> The_Vox: i gotta burn a lot of discs.  Getting quality discs is going to save me some serious time.
[07:32] <speel> and just find what i like best
[07:32] <Barney> nickrud: now it's having a problem with the xorg.conf file
[07:32] <Barney> it says no such file or directory
[07:32] <The_Vox> levander: I just burned 50 discs a week ago before formatting to install kubuntu :)
[07:32] <nickrud> eternale1 then the apt-cache policy mplayer-386 should have a candidate listed
[07:32] <kUser> speel: there's nothing that we can really recommend that absolutely will shatter what you dreamt
[07:33] <eternale1> it did have a candidate listed
[07:33] <Barney> nickrud: so it quits the setup.
[07:33] <BeatYOu> everything is uncommented in my sources.list, do i need to add something to get multiverse ?
[07:33] <Arnia> speel: I don't know how the US system works... in the UK we start specialising at 14 (slightly), tighten down to three subjects at 16 and then study one at bachelors level. So I am probably absolutely useless for this :)
[07:33] <bojangles> what is the idea of trying to slip the IBM DRM patches in kernel 2.6.12 and then put it in breezy
[07:33] <phlange> how would i go about mounting hdb1 and also give myself permission to access it?
[07:33] <kUser> eternale1: I need to see the error messages in #flood
[07:33] <eternale1> ok
[07:34] <kUser> bojangles: come again?
[07:34] <nickrud> Barney make sure that there is no xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[07:34] <levander> What's that site that talks about all the various ways to encode video? I bet I can look up good DVD-R discs on that site.  It was called like vcdhelp.org, or vcdeasy.org or something...
[07:34] <Arnia> speel: I can say that I earn money on the side doing branding and design work and read in more than just my core subject (as we're encouraged to do, even though we aren't examined in it)... so even in a specialist environment you can develop broader skills
[07:34] <kUser> levander: doom9.org and vcdquality?
[07:35] <Barney> nickrud: how?
[07:35] <nickrud> hah, us repository problems
[07:35] <nickrud> Barney sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:35] <BeatYOu> can someone pastebin their /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
[07:35] <levander> kUser: yeah, those are similar sites, but not the one I'm thinking of.  I'll check those.
[07:35] <kUser> eternale1: change us.archive -> archive
[07:35] <speel> hmm intresting thats cool tho
[07:35] <Barney> nickrud: cannot remove. no such file or directory
[07:35] <speel> for me right now i don't know what I want to do yet so im still deciding
[07:35] <kUser> speel: which uni? nyu? columbia?
[07:36] <Barney> nickrud: but that's the problem. it's trying to write to the file (i think) and it's not there.
[07:36] <eternale1> in sources.list?
[07:36] <vladuz976> The_Vox, hey that didn't work
[07:36] <kUser> eternale1: yes
[07:36] <eternale1> ok
[07:36] <speel> kUser, ah im not in college  , i'm still in hs this year i have to choose a college and what not
[07:36] <vladuz976> The_Vox, the fonts
[07:36] <nickrud> Barney then, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should work, it creates the file from scratch
[07:36] <kUser> speel: ah
[07:36] <levander> the site I'm thinking of had a list of all the DVD players on the market and which codecs they supported.  Like if they supported vcd or svcd or stuff like that.
[07:36] <levander> Can't remember name.
[07:36] <The_Vox> vladuz976: uhm...dump them in /usr/share/fonts/truetype then
[07:37] <vladuz976> The_Vox, i put them in both
[07:37] <eternale1> to all lines with us.archive?
[07:37] <BeatYOu> what do i add to sources.list to get multiverse ?
[07:37] <kUser> eternale1: for now, yes
[07:37] <eternale1> ok
[07:37] <Barney> nickrud: yes, i've done that, too. when it gets to the part where it asks me to select my default color depth, then it aborts and says xorg.conf doesn't exist.
[07:37] <craz3d> BeatYOu;
[07:37] <craz3d> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[07:37] <craz3d> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[07:38] <BeatYOu> thank you
[07:38] <The_Vox> vladuz976: uhm...log out, once you are in the login screen, hit CTL-ALT-Backspace and wait for X to restart, then check again
[07:38] <craz3d> Anyone care to help with a DMA Failure issue? (Operation not permitted)
[07:38] <eternale1> now im getting a broken package error on libggi2
[07:38] <nickrud> Barney hm. That problem is not one I've never seen.
[07:39] <kUser> eternale1: did you ,,sudo apt-get update'' first?
[07:39] <eternale1> ah do'h
[07:39] <eternale1> :\
[07:39] <The_Vox> craz3d: your HD or your controller don't support DMA...or the driver for your controller doesn't.
[07:39] <Barney> nickrud: should i just reinstall?
[07:39] <eternale1> <-- old emerge user tryin to get used to apt-get
[07:39] <nickrud> Barney if no one steps up here in the next few, I'd ask on the ubuntu-users mailling list.
[07:39] <craz3d> They work fine in Windows, and it's an nForce2 chipset.  (mobo: MSI K7N2-Delta ILSR)
[07:40] <nickrud> Barney reinstalls are nearly never needed.
[07:40] <craz3d> I had Warty installed a while back, and it supported it just dandy.
[07:40] <craz3d> 1.6MB/s on a WD250Gb isn't normal.
[07:40] <Barney> nickrud yeah, but if i don't know how to fix it, then it's a sure fix. and i just installed it tonight anyway, so there's nothing i'll lose.
[07:40] <The_Vox> eternale1: I'm an old urpmi user trying to get used to this thing lol! But something an old debianhead friend of mine told me: forget apt, use aptitude and stop suffering :)
[07:41] <eternale1> hmm aptitude
[07:41] <kUser> craz3d: presuming you've ruled out the basics, like shoddy cable connections?
[07:41] <The_Vox> eternale1: it's a console GUI thingy, very usable
[07:41] <eternale1> ah nice
[07:41] <nickrud> aptitude is the greatest thing since sliced bread
[07:41] <craz3d> Yes, cables are good. That's definate.
[07:41] <eternale1> i didn't know there was a gui version of apt
[07:41] <eternale1> just installed ubuntu today
[07:42] <eternale1> since i boorked my gentoo install
[07:42] <eternale1> on accident
[07:42] <eternale1> :-\
[07:42] <unome> rm -rf /* ?
[07:42] <The_Vox> nickrud: it's actually the reason why I moved from mandriva (I've used it since 5.3...and still have a few boxes with it) to a debian-based distro...the mdv people never listened to me when I told them that we needed an aptitude-like thing
[07:42] <craz3d> haha
[07:42] <eternale1> no pretty much tho
[07:43] <kUser> The_Vox: even with urpmi?
[07:43] <eternale1> this stupid program i got made a usr/ dir i tried to get rid of it real late at night not thinking
[07:43] <eternale1> and whoops there goes most of /usr
[07:43] <eternale1> :\
[07:43] <eternale1> no ssh, emerge, top, make, ....
[07:43] <eternale1> i figured that was the end of that install
[07:43] <eternale1> :D
[07:43] <The_Vox> kUser: urpmi is great for people like me (I wrote the user guide for the community site :) but for newbies it's painfull as all hell.
[07:43] <eternale1> lasted for two years
[07:44] <The_Vox> eternale1: BT, DT, GtT-S :)
[07:44] <eternale1> haha
[07:44] <nickrud> The_Vox you need apt before you can get aptitude :)
[07:44] <ep> Does any particular flavor of multimedia player support/package more codecs than the other?   80% of my "educational" clips aren't playing.  Granted, many but not all, are wmv files.  I hate it but thats life.
[07:44] <eternale1> so is aptitude built in already? or do i need to apt-get it
[07:44] <craz3d> ep: xine-ui might work
[07:44] <nickrud> eternale1 no, it's built in.
[07:45] <eternale1> ok
[07:45] <The_Vox> nickrud: I said aptitude-like :) Just like they did with urpmi by doing apt one better, they should have done an aptitude one better...but nobody was interested, and I am not a coder, unfortunately
[07:45] <The_Vox> eternale1: it's part of the base
[07:45] <eternale1> ok
[07:45] <nickrud> eternale1 whenever someone says 'apt-get' , substitue aptitude
[07:45] <ep> is xine the most popular?
[07:45] <eternale1> ya
[07:45] <nickrud> eternale1 to examine what's on your system, just type aptitude
[07:45] <BeatYOu> anyone use MythTV here ?
[07:45] <craz3d> Pretty much you're only choice unless you want to stick yourself with Totem :/
[07:46] <The_Vox> ep: mplayer and xine should play everything you throw at them, if you download and install the codecs from mplayer's site...they have an "all" package that has everything under the sun...just untar it and move the whole shebang to /usr/lib/win32/
[07:47] <BeatYOu> get an unable to set GID 16 error when attempting to start mythtv backend
[07:47] <eternale1> ty for the help btw i got mplayer going
[07:47] <craz3d> Any more ideas on my anal DMA problem?
[07:47] <eternale1> i really only wanted it to play .bin files
[07:47] <The_Vox> eternale1: you can use aptitude pretty much like you use apt (ie. "sudo aptitude install whatever") or as a gui ("sudo aptitude")
[07:47] <eternale1> cause xine didn't want to
[07:47] <ep> i'll try both
[07:48] <Madpilot> evening all. does anyone else have trouble with the default Audio-CD Player app?
[07:48] <vladuz976> The_Vox, hey i logged out of X now i can't log in anymore, the screen just turns black when it gets to login manager
[07:48] <client> fh
[07:48] <The_Vox> ep: I've always had both installed and the codecs in place...mplayer is better at dealing with corrupted files (ie. files with small errors) than xine...but xine is a better player
[07:48] <Madpilot> everytime I use it it won't close politely and requires Force Close...
[07:48] <nickrud> The_Vox I was really suprised to see in the debian release notes for sarge that apt-get was depreciated, and aptitude recommended.
[07:48] <vladuz976> The_Vox, maybe the resolution is too high, is there any way that i can change before log in?
[07:49] <The_Vox> vladuz976: uhm...take a look at ~/.xsessionerrors and at /var/log/X.org.log and see if you can find the error
[07:49] <vladuz976> The_Vox, hhow with a black screen?
[07:49] <Bobafett> Guys ... anyone knows what a 'MD5Sum mismatch' error means in Synaptic? I can't update my warty :(
[07:50] <craz3d> Bobafett: apt-get update maybe?
[07:50] <kUser> Bobafett: use a different mirror
[07:50] <The_Vox> nickrud: didn't know that...but doesn't surprise me...aptitude has a better way to handle broken packages/updates (don't ask me specifics...I was told this 3 years ago and I've been using kubuntu for 4 days :)
[07:50] <Hawk73> Where can I find qconfig.h and qmodules.h. I installed the QT3-headers but get an error on compile? Please help!
[07:50] <nickrud> Bobafett the us archives are bad again, try uk.archive or ca.archive
[07:50] <The_Vox> vladuz976: hit CTRL-ALT-F1
[07:50] <The_Vox> vladuz976: login as your user there
[07:50] <Bobafett> I tried that, craz3d, no problems with updating my repos
[07:50] <Bobafett> should I replace my us archives?
[07:51] <nickrud> The_Vox it is better, you can easily put things on hold, select different versions from different repositories, etc. Really fine grained control.
[07:51] <The_Vox> vladuz976: do "less ~/.xsessionerrors" and scroll to the end and see if there's anything there...if not, hit q to exit and then do "less /var/log/X.org.log" and scroll down
[07:51] <The_Vox> nickrud: yup...tho I still need to find out how to make it tell me what repo something is from :)
[07:51] <kUser> Hawk73: have you installed libqt3-mt-dev and libqt3-compat-headers?
[07:51] <airmikeyy> anyone know what program i need to use to rotate desktop
[07:51] <kUser> airmikeyy: there's a gnome applet for that
[07:52] <The_Vox> airmikeyy: xrandr
[07:52] <vladuz976> The_Vox, when do i need to hit contrl alt f1?
[07:52] <Hawk73> kUser: libgt3-mt-dev not because the are to many deps, is it necessary?
[07:52] <nickrud> The_Vox me too ;(
[07:52] <The_Vox> vladuz976: at the black screen
[07:52] <evan_d> what's the easiest way to downgrade breezy to hoary?
[07:52] <vladuz976> The_Vox, doesn't give me command line
[07:53] <craz3d> Can someone atleast tell me how to install GTK+-2.0? (In Hoary) so I can do 'make gconfig' and figure out DMA for myself?
[07:53] <kUser> Hawk73: libqt3-mt-dev, not libgt3-mt-dev. And yes, it's necessary if you want to compile Qt3 apps, heh.
[07:53] <The_Vox> evan_d: change all your lines to hoary and aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade I'd say
[07:53] <The_Vox> vladuz976: uhm...nvidia card?
[07:53] <nickrud> evan_d there is no easy way. Downgrades are not supported by apt.
[07:53] <vladuz976> The_Vox oh finally
[07:53] <kUser> evan_d: if you're familiar with apt-pinning it's fairly straight-forward
[07:53] <evan_d> Ok, allow me to rephrase.  Is it possible, is there a guide somewhere?
[07:53] <hooligan> mako still away?
[07:53] <Hawk73> kUser: Sorry, I don't develop with QT3. Thanks for help. Will try to install it
[07:53] <evan_d> Not that familar with pinning, but I'll look into it
[07:53] <evan_d> thanks
[07:54] <jasmuz> evan_d: substitute your breezy repositories for hoary's and mark hoary as the stable in synaptic and let her rip
[07:54] <The_Vox> craz3d: aptitude install libgtk2.0-dev
[07:54] <evan_d> ok
[07:54] <kUser> evan_d: man 5 apt_preferences
[07:54] <vladuz976> The_Vox, i don't know how to read that file
[07:54] <craz3d> The_Vox, thank you.
[07:54] <The_Vox> vladuz976: do "less ~/.xsessionerrors" and scroll to the end and see if there's anything there...if not, hit q to exit and then do "less /var/log/X.org.log" and scroll down
[07:55] <eternale1> ok now to gettin this ssh server going... it starts fine doing ./ssh start in init.d but it won't let me login from another machine im not sure which config files to edit
[07:55] <kUser> (~/.xsession-errors)
[07:55] <mebaran151> anybody gotten Finale to work in wine
[07:55] <The_Vox> eternale1: /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[07:55] <eternale1> ya i thought so
[07:55] <eternale1> but i didn't know which parts to change
[07:55] <eternale1> let me take a look
[07:55] <eternale1> again
[07:55] <The_Vox> kUser: oh, right :)
[07:55] <vladuz976> The_Vox, says stuff like lost connection to display
[07:55] <Bobafett> guys ... I changed my repos from us.archive.ubuntu blah blah to uk.archive.ubuntu ....
[07:56] <Bobafett> that didn't do it either, still a checksum error :(
[07:56] <The_Vox> vladuz976: scroll back a bit and see why it lost it
[07:56] <kUser> Bobafett: did you ,,sudo aptitude update'' then?
[07:56] <Bobafett> yep, sure did
[07:56] <Bobafett> it downloaded all package lists from uk.archive...
[07:56] <Bobafett> ...but still has the same error message when it finished downloading packages...
[07:56] <craz3d> The_Vox, It's saying some 'bs' about glib-2.0 and libglade, but apt seems to lack anything glib- besides glib-sharp
[07:56] <vladuz976> The_Vox, X connection broken (explicit kill or server shutdown
[07:57] <The_Vox> craz3d: libglib2.0-dev
[07:57] <Bobafett> Wait ... there it is, finally it's installing all packages ...
[07:57] <Bobafett> ... .uk in everything did it.
[07:57] <The_Vox> vladuz976: uhm..where are you seeing that? in ~/.xsession-errors? or in X.org.log?
[07:57] <Bobafett> Thanks a bunch, guys! :)
[07:58] <craz3d> And what about libglade-2.0?
[07:58] <vladuz976> The_Vox, in ~/.xsession-errors
[07:58] <j00n> looks like others are already being helped.. so whoever can help me next please say so?
[07:58] <craz3d> -dev?
[07:58] <eternale1> The_Vox: ListenAddress would be my wan ip right? for sshd_config
[07:58] <The_Vox> craz3d: I would think it'll get installed if you pull the -dev...but if it doesn't, just install it too :)
[07:58] <The_Vox> eternale1: yes
[07:58] <eternale1> ok i had that
[07:58] <eternale1> hmm
[07:58] <The_Vox> vladuz976: check in /var/log/X.org.log
[07:59] <stisev> hi all
[07:59] <The_Vox> eternale1: the computer is connected directly to the 'Net?
[07:59] <eternale1> no
[07:59] <eternale1> router
[07:59] <nickrud> The_Vox /var/log/Xorg.0.log :)
[07:59] <crimsun_> craz3d: libglade2-dev will pull in libglade2-0
[07:59] <eternale1> maybe my lan ip instead?
[07:59] <The_Vox> nickrud: the problem with bash-completion is that you never learn the name of the damn files lol!
[07:59] <TokenBad> shoot i forgot what programs in ubuntu burn cd's
[08:00] <eternale1> i apt-get k3b for burning it worked just fine
[08:00] <crimsun_> TokenBad: cdrecord, cdrdao, gnomebaker, k3b, nautilus, ...
[08:00] <BeatYOu> can someone paste this file /etc/apache2/sites-available/default to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[08:00] <BeatYOu> please
[08:00] <BeatYOu> messed mine up somehow
[08:00] <nickrud> The_Vox yeah, I do a quick check for files before posting normally, but that one rolls off my fingertips now ;)
[08:00] <BeatYOu> nm
[08:00] <The_Vox> eternale1: the IP there has to be the one the computer directly listens to...that is, if it's directly connected to the internet, you use the public address...if it's inside a LAN and you are redirecting to it, it should listen on its own LAN IP
[08:00] <j00n> can somebody help me with running the xserver
[08:01] <craz3d> The_Vox; * Unable to find the GTK+ installation. Please make sure that* the GTK+ 2.0 development package is correctly installed...* You need gtk+-2.0, glib-2.0 and libglade-2.0.
[08:01] <The_Vox> nickrud: hehehe
[08:01] <craz3d> I've got everything installed though.
[08:01] <j00n> anybody had problems getting to kde?
[08:01] <supernix> could someone please explain why when I boot into the LiveCD that it messes my clock up ?
[08:01] <vladuz976> The_Vox,  last thing it says there is a few times this: warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0. then it says:"could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list!
[08:01] <crimsun_> craz3d: you installed libglade2-dev, too?
[08:01] <The_Vox> craz3d: uhm...dpkg -l libgtk2.0
[08:01] <craz3d> no matching packages found
[08:02] <crimsun_> it's libgtk2.0-0
[08:02] <The_Vox> vladuz976: look a few lines before that, see if there's a line with EE at the start
[08:02] <crimsun_> and libglib2.0-0
[08:02] <eternale1> The_Vox: so ifconfig ... then use that ip for LIsten
[08:02] <crimsun_> (you have to have those two installed if you have ubuntu installed)
[08:02] <crimsun_> (rather, ubuntu-desktop)
[08:03] <vladuz976> The_Vox, yes, says, "(EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[08:03] <The_Vox> crimsun: damn, why do they do that? the library with the -0 and the -dev without it?
[08:03] <crimsun_> The_Vox: policy.
[08:03] <The_Vox> vladuz976: uhm...your nvidia driver is broken
[08:03] <craz3d> The_Vox, crimsun_, thanks. It worked.
[08:03] <The_Vox> crimsun: really?
[08:03] <crimsun_> The_Vox: yes, it's documented.
[08:03] <vladuz976> The_Vox, i installed vesa
[08:04] <airmikeyy> The_Vox: do i haved to use xrandr in a terminal ?
[08:04] <vladuz976> The_Vox, after i installed nvidia, never logged out since
[08:04] <j00n> i have ubuntu installed.. but i can't get the xserver to load correctly.. its on a 20gb partition.. i can login normally.. and the resolution is 1280x1024, i know for a fact its supported in windows can anybody help me? it fails to run x
[08:04] <vladuz976> The_Vox, do you know how i can fix it?
[08:04] <crimsun_> The_Vox: (http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html if you wish to read about it)
[08:05] <craz3d> You wouldn't happen to know where the option for DMA is in gConfig would you?
[08:05] <The_Vox> crimsun: uhm...can you point me to the documentation for that? I can't wait to see the logic behind such decision :)
[08:05] <crimsun_> The_Vox: just did :)
[08:05] <The_Vox> crimsun: thanks :) Got lagged there for a moment while my firewall renewed it's IP :)
[08:05] <crimsun_> np
[08:05] <The_Vox> vladuz976: you installed the nvidia driver and didn't restart X?
[08:06] <vladuz976> The_Vox, possible i don't remember, i had an issue with my resolution and tried many things until it finally worked
[08:06] <j00n> can i make x load with failsafe options
[08:06] <vladuz976> The_Vox, can i redo it now? with apt-get, should i try vesa or nvidia?
[08:07] <Hawk73> kUser: Thanks for the tip. It works!
[08:07] <The_Vox> crimsun: uhm...k, but I can't find where the -0 gets substituted by -dev in devel packages, instead of just appending -dev to the name
[08:08] <craz3d> ... Anybody know where the DMA option is in the kernel config?
[08:08] <The_Vox> vladuz976: do "lsmod nvidia" and tell me if it answers anything
[08:08] <j00n> can anyone see me typing?
[08:08] <craz3d> j00n, yes
[08:08] <j00n> ok good
[08:08] <vladuz976> The_Vox, only "usage: lsmod
[08:08] <stisev> Anyone use VMWare here?
[08:09] <The_Vox> vladuz976: duh..."lsmod | grep nvidia"
[08:09] <stisev> (ubunto question now)
[08:09] <The_Vox> stisev: I've used it on and off
[08:09] <j00n> can i load failsafe options for x
[08:09] <vladuz976> The_Vox, yes getting
[08:10] <vladuz976> The_Vox, getting something, nvidia and some numbersl and next line agpgart
[08:10] <The_Vox> vladuz976: ok, the nvidia kernel module is loaded...now do "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep nvidia" and tell me if it answers anything
[08:10] <stisev> The_Vox: can you assist me with VMware tools
[08:10] <stisev> I finally installed it after sacrificing two chickens
[08:11] <stisev> but I'm trying to figure out how to run a higher res
[08:11] <vladuz976> The_Vox, nothing
[08:11] <j00n> i wish i could use kde :(
[08:11] <j00n> x wont start..
[08:11] <j00n> nooo
[08:11] <stisev> and find out if the acccelerated graphics driver works
[08:11] <The_Vox> vladuz976: ok, type this: emacs /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:11] <stisev> The_Vox: OK, that's where the problem comes in
[08:11] <The_Vox> vladuz976: once that opens, type ctrl-s nv
[08:12] <vladuz976> The_Vox, not working
[08:12] <stisev> The_Vox: someone in #vmware helped me through all the steps, until that step
[08:12] <The_Vox> stisev: uhm...installed the tools yet?
[08:12] <vladuz976> The_Vox, i'll use vim
[08:12] <stisev> The_Vox: yes, the tools are installed, but that file does not exist.
[08:12] <vladuz976> The_Vox, is ctrl-s for search? i couldn't find nv
[08:13] <The_Vox> vladuz976: ok, find the Section "Device" and change the Driver "nv" to Driver "nvidia"
[08:13] <The_Vox> vladuz976: in emacs ctrl-s is for search, yes
[08:13] <vladuz976> The_Vox,  i'm using vim. i am finding vesa but not nv or nvidia
[08:13] <The_Vox> vladuz976: but on vim I have no clue lol! I avoid vi and its cousins like the plague they are ;)
[08:13] <stisev> The_Vox: The file :xorg.conf" does not  exist, but another two similar ones do
[08:13] <The_Vox> stisev: which file doesn't exist?
[08:13] <stisev> ^^^^^^^^^^
[08:14] <stisev> The_Vox: stand by for the two names
[08:14] <The_Vox> stisev: k
[08:14] <siimo> hi any program that will play xVid encoded files ?
[08:14] <vladuz976> The_Vox, i know how to search with vim i found it. it says vesa now. change to nvidia?
[08:14] <eternale1> hmm damn still can only ssh into it using 192.... not my actual ip
[08:14] <The_Vox> siimo: xine and/or mplayer
[08:14] <eternale1> i just read about 15 config files for ssd_config and they all seem the exact same
[08:15] <The_Vox> eternale1: change the ListenAddress to 0.0.0.0
[08:15] <BeatYOu> when i try to start mysql by /etc/init.d/mysql start it is giving me error "access denied for user beatyou@localhost' how can i make it connect with root on startup like it was before
[08:15] <BeatYOu> dont know why its tryong to use the account i made in phpmyadmin
[08:15] <The_Vox> eternale1: don't forget to restart ssh after modifying the file (sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart)
[08:16] <vladuz976> The_Vox, ok i replaced vesa by nvidia. save and log in? or restart?
[08:16] <eternale1> ya i did that still won't connect
[08:16] <eternale1> jsut hangs up on the command line
[08:16] <The_Vox> vladuz976: save and then do "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start" or "sudo /etc/init.d/dm start" whichever you find in there
[08:17] <The_Vox> eternale1: use "ssh -v whatever" and tell me where it's hanging
[08:17] <j00n> how do i edit the x config
[08:18] <vladuz976> The_Vox, it says starting gnome displayb manger failed
[08:18] <BeatYOu> anyone help please ?
[08:18] <j00n> x WILL NOT load.. i have no clue what to do.. ubuntu is installed!
[08:18] <The_Vox> j00n: with vim or emacs, whichever you have installed...type "sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf" or "sudo emacs /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[08:18] <eternale1> first line says reading config data /etc/ssh/ssh_config.... then applying options for * .... then hangs on connecting to my.ip port 22
[08:18] <The_Vox> eternale1: anything in the server's logs?
[08:19] <The_Vox> vladuz976: uhm...check /var/log/messages and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:19] <The_Vox> vladuz976: uhm...wait
[08:19] <The_Vox> vladuz976: try "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" it may be locked
[08:19] <eternale1> well in /var/log/auth.log its not even showing the attempt
[08:19] <vladuz976> The_Vox, worked
[08:19] <The_Vox> vladuz976: good
[08:20] <j00n> hey vox
[08:20] <The_Vox> eternale1: you need to verbose the logs from sshd
[08:20] <vladuz976> The_Vox, dude, thanks a lot for your help
[08:20] <eternale1> where are those logs located exactly
[08:20] <The_Vox> eternale1: you need to change the LogLevel but I don't remember to what...probably DEBUG
[08:20] <j00n> vox, is there a quick fix for a basic normal regular as can be install.. and for some reason x fails to load
[08:20] <The_Vox> eternale1: /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog
[08:20] <The_Vox> vladuz976: np
[08:21] <The_Vox> j00n: no quick fixes when X is involved, unfortunately. What video card?
[08:21] <vladuz976> The_Vox, but back to the originnal problem the fonts are still not htere?
[08:21] <BeatYOu> when i try to start mysql by /etc/init.d/mysql start it is giving me error "access denied for user beatyou@localhost' how can i make it connect with root on startup like it was before
[08:21] <j00n> ati x800xl
[08:21] <The_Vox> vladuz976: rotfl!
[08:21] <rincewynd> hey all
[08:21] <The_Vox> j00n: ugh, poor you, sorry to hear that lol!
[08:21] <luzbelito> hi to everyone, i am trying to set dma on in my hda but i get an error root@lenin:/dev # sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[08:21] <luzbelito> /dev/hda:
[08:21] <luzbelito>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[08:21] <luzbelito>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[08:21] <luzbelito>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[08:21] <stisev> The_Vox: OK back
[08:21] <luzbelito>  can anyone help me?
[08:22] <j00n> why is that?
[08:22] <j00n> am i screwed over?
[08:22] <vladuz976> The_Vox, sorry they are
[08:22] <stisev> The_Vox: OK these are the two files
[08:22] <The_Vox> j00n: unfortunately for you, I have no clue how to get an ATI card working...haven't bought one of those POS in years upon years
[08:22] <rincewynd> I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to set my own account up with root permissions
[08:22] <stisev> The_Vox:  xorg.config.BeforeVMwareToolsInstall
[08:22] <The_Vox> vladuz976: even better :)
[08:22] <stisev> The_Vox: xorg.conf.old.0
[08:22] <vladuz976> The_Vox, how do you know those details?
[08:22] <stisev> The_Vox: there are no other xorg.config files in the directory
[08:22] <j00n> :(
[08:23] <Zotnix> Okay... not sure what is causing it but my colors are weird in totem (totem-xine). Seems reg/green are getting switched
[08:23] <The_Vox> stisev: it seems like the stupid vmware tools thing messed up the install and didn't finish....rename the xorg.config.BeforeVMwareToolsInstall to xorg.conf and install the tools again
[08:23] <luzbelito> rincewynd: that is not recommendable
[08:23] <Zotnix> s/reg/red
[08:23] <stisev> The_Vox:  D:
[08:23] <stisev> The_Vox:  The installation was a pain, but I will try
[08:23] <The_Vox> vladuz976: been using linux for 10 years, *NIX for 15, computers for 25 :)
[08:23] <stisev> The_Vox:  will you be standing by here?
[08:23] <The_Vox> stisev: shouldn't be a pain
[08:24] <stisev> The_Vox: heh you have no idea
[08:24] <stisev> :p
[08:24] <The_Vox> stisev: just mount the stupid tools disk with the menu option in vmware and install the file
[08:24] <vladuz976> The_Vox, shooooot that is a hell of a long time. i've been on ubuntu linux since yesterday
[08:24] <eternale1> vladuz976: thats why he's helping and your asking the questions ;D
[08:24] <Zotnix> I checked in System -> Settings -> Multimedia System Selector
[08:24] <Zotnix> Everything is okay there
[08:24] <RichardC> i have a question
[08:25] <The_Vox> vladuz976: I've been on kubuntu for 4 days...I've used almost every other distro there is lol! but mandriva/mandrake for the last 5 years or so
[08:25] <RichardC> i recently got the ati drivers using synaptic
[08:25] <vladuz976> eternale1, am i glad there is irc and he is on
[08:25] <eternale1> haha yep
[08:25] <RichardC> the seem to work fine, and glxgears definately shows improvement, but i think they should be much faster
[08:25] <eternale1> ok not gettin anything on these logs even adding DEBUG to LogLevel
[08:25] <vladuz976> The_Vox, so do you like ubuntu better? and why?
[08:25] <stisev> The_Vox: How do I rename that file?
[08:26] <The_Vox> RichardC: "much faster" really isn't when it comes to ATI drivers...their drivers suck even worse in linux than they suck in windows...and nobody writes worse video drivers in windows than ATI
[08:26] <eternale1> this is like the same issue with apache2 can't connect from anywhere but the actual machine its being run on
[08:26] <The_Vox> stisev: "mv  xorg.config.BeforeVMwareToolsInstall xorg.conf"
[08:26] <stisev> The_Vox: acknowledged. thanks
[08:26] <RichardC> by changing the Driver "ati" line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to Driver "fglrx", i can get a major speed boost, but i cant change resolutions through the system->preferences->screen resolution menu
[08:26] <j00n> how about..
[08:26] <stisev> The_Vox: AH, I knew that!
[08:26] <stisev> The_Vox:  :p
[08:27] <j00n> i dont care about games or anything in linux
[08:27] <j00n> is there a way to get it TO WORK! bare minimum for a ati card?
[08:28] <stisev> I know it's against the rules here, but pardon my language
[08:28] <The_Vox> vladuz976: depends on the use you are going to give it...I prefer mandriva for user desktops...it's more polished than [k] ubuntu for the normal mortal user, IMNSHO...but I'm liking kubuntu for my own desktop.
[08:28] <stisev> HOLY SHIT this Canon LiDE 500F scanner F'IN RULES
[08:28] <stisev> best scanneer ever
[08:28] <stisev> Anyhoo, back on topic
[08:28] <stisev> The_Vox: OK, file renamed
[08:29] <stisev> The_Vox: stand by while I reinstall
[08:29] <stisev> The_Vox:  ;)
[08:29] <stisev> eh, anyone still here?
[08:29] <j00n> me
[08:29] <The_Vox> vladuz976: for servers...it depends what kind of server and who is actually going to admin it (I'm a consultant, so I don't always admin the servers I install)...if it's me, I don't really care, I can deal with any distro...if it's somebody else, I install mandriva, for the same reason as on the normal user desktop
[08:29] <stisev> Ah ok
[08:29] <_linuxAS_> hi
[08:29] <Mestapheles> anyone have an install fail at "Configure a multiseat system"?
[08:29] <j00n> know how to get a ati card working without x failing
[08:30] <RichardC> i know how to get great performance in debian, by following these steps: http://board.zsnes.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=65581#65581
[08:30] <RichardC> but that doesnt work in ubuntu
[08:30] <j00n> for?
[08:30] <RichardC> there a packages missing from the repository
[08:30] <j00n> ati
[08:30] <j00n> ?
[08:30] <RichardC> yeah
[08:30] <vladuz976> The_Vox: but why do you like ubuntu better for your own desktop?
[08:30] <j00n> mandrake..
[08:30] <j00n> is it good
[08:30] <rob^> mandrake is good, I find Ubuntu better
[08:31] <The_Vox> vladuz976: easier to update to the bleeding edge, mainly.
[08:31] <j00n> well
[08:31] <j00n> it would be good
[08:31] <j00n> i would probly love it
[08:31] <j00n> if X would WORK!
[08:31] <j00n> haha
[08:31] <The_Vox> vladuz976: cooker (mandriva's unstable distro) is *really* unstable at times, so it's not really usable for desktop-on-the-bleeding-edge
[08:31] <rob^> hehe
[08:31] <j00n> so i could actually use it
[08:32] <j00n> i saw it at a friends
[08:32] <bimberi> j00n: Something to try: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto (look for the ATI bits)
[08:32] <j00n> and its killing me
[08:32] <eternale1> since this ssh topic is killing me is there a way to get the wheel on the mouse to change workstations?
[08:32] <stisev> The_Vox: Installed
[08:32] <stisev> The_Vox: restarting
[08:32] <ivoks> mike or oziemike here?
[08:32] <stisev> The_Vox: Does VMware tools support widescreen resolutions?
[08:32] <The_Vox> eternale1: change workstations or workspaces?
[08:33] <stisev> The_Vox:  e.g. 1680x1050?
[08:33] <The_Vox> stisev: uhm...no clue, never tried it...but should work
[08:33] <eternale1> err workspaces
[08:33] <j00n> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:33] <eternale1> :-p
[08:33] <The_Vox> eternale1: gnome or kde?
[08:33] <stisev> The_Vox:  it only shows standard res'es
[08:33] <eternale1> gnome
[08:33] <j00n> do i need the cd for that
[08:33] <stisev> The_Vox: e.g. 1280 & 1600x1200
[08:33] <j00n> do i need the cd for sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:33] <The_Vox> stisev: for non-standard ones you need to hack /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand :)
[08:33] <bimberi> j00n: no
[08:33] <j00n> ok after that i should be good to go?
[08:33] <stisev> The_Vox:  acknowledged.
[08:33] <RichardC> j00n: it doesnt work in ubuntu
[08:34] <The_Vox> stisev: and add modlines...and be ready with a big bag of aspirin for the headache that'll give you :)
[08:34] <RichardC> j00n: only in debian
[08:34] <j00n> i got it from
[08:34] <j00n> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto
[08:34] <RichardC> wow
[08:34] <stisev> The_Vox:  Apologies for the slow responses.
[08:34] <bimberi> j00n: dunno if you'll be good to go - but worth a try
[08:34] <The_Vox> stisev: no prob
[08:34] <stisev> The_Vox:  I've got a scanner doing back 2 back scans here
[08:34] <j00n> k
[08:34] <j00n> gonna try
[08:34] <stisev> The_Vox: every 20 seconds
[08:34] <j00n> thanks
[08:34] <stisev> The_Vox:  lol
[08:34] <The_Vox> eternale1: I have no clue...haven't used gnome since Miguel moved to the US :)
[08:34] <stisev> The_Vox:  you can see the time gaps for my responses
[08:34] <stisev> The_Vox:  heh
[08:34] <eternale1> hahaha ok
[08:35] <eternale1> thats cool just something i was really used to in fluxbox
[08:35] <eternale1> would love to have it in gnome
[08:35] <The_Vox> eternale1: I've used enlightenment for the last 10 years...except I moved to kde 2 months ago :)
[08:35] <eternale1> ah enlightenment i dip'd my feet in that briefly
[08:35] <eternale1> on gentoo
[08:35] <Proteque> The_Vox: a downgrade...
[08:35] <The_Vox> eternale1: gnome's look drives me crazy
[08:35] <stisev> The_Vox:  SUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!
[08:35] <stisev> The_Vox:  the file exists now!
[08:36] <eternale1> i actually really liked the way fluxbox looked very clean nothing anywhere ... just a simple right click would bring up my menu
[08:36] <eternale1> but ill just deal with gnome for a while... change is always good
[08:36] <Proteque> I am using sawfish.
[08:36] <stisev> The_Vox: should I gedit the file?
[08:36] <Proteque> everything controlled by hotkeys
[08:36] <The_Vox> Proteque: I'll upgrade to E17 once it's out...need to do that to be able to do the translation to spanish for it :) (I did part of the one for e16)...until then, kde3.4 is usable enough
[08:36] <stisev> The_Vox: xorg.conf, that is
[08:36] <The_Vox> stisev: shouldn't need to
[08:36] <stisev> The_Vox: explain
[08:36] <stisev> The_Vox:  ??
[08:36] <The_Vox> stisev: unless you want a non-standard resolution
[08:37] <stisev> The_Vox: I do
[08:37] <The_Vox> stisev: if you want a non-standard resolution, yes, you need to gedit the xorg.conf file...but I have no clue what modlines you'd need, so your time to go google has come :)
[08:37] <stisev> The_Vox: Assuming I DONT edit the file and just accept 1280x1024
[08:37] <stisev> The_Vox: how do I switch resolutions?
[08:37] <stisev> The_Vox:  it's still in a seemingly low res ;(
[08:38] <stisev> The_Vox:  despite ardently choosing the 1280x1024 option (#6)
[08:38] <The_Vox> stisev: ctrl-alt-plussignonthenumpad
[08:38] <The_Vox> stisev: should cycle through all the configured resolutions
[08:39] <stisev> The_Vox: this is on a laptop
[08:39] <stisev> The_Vox:  (no numpad)
[08:39] <stisev> The_Vox:  only standard #s
[08:39] <RichardC> brb
[08:40] <The_Vox> stisev: oh...uhm...I don't remember how to change resolutions the laptop way lol! I have a kboard without numpad but I have a usb numpad plugged in too :)
[08:40] <jos> burning cd's (which interface ?)
[08:40] <stisev> The_Vox:  good grief. lol
[08:40] <BeatYOu> my numpad doens't work in ubuntu
[08:41] <BeatYOu> just get an internal pc beep
[08:41] <The_Vox> stisev: I like small kboards, so I bought a logitech gameing kboard and use that on my desktop...but the numpad is useful some times, so I just keep it in a drawer til I need it :)
[08:41] <eternale1> god i must say this community puts the gentoo community to shame in turns of no flaming and overall help
[08:41] <stisev> The_Vox:  :(
[08:41] <eternale1> you can't go into gentoo without being rub'd the wrong way
[08:41] <stisev> The_Vox: what options do I have?
[08:41] <stisev> The_Vox: isn't there another way to change the res?
[08:41] <bimberi> eternale1: give us time :)
[08:41] <eternale1> haha
[08:42] <eternale1> i can understand there agony gentoo is a pain in the arse without having a guru sitting right next to
[08:42] <eternale1> thats how i got it running two years ago
[08:42] <The_Vox> damn amarok still hates me
[08:42] <eternale1> otherwise i would have never got it
[08:44] <hyphenated> eternale1: it seems to have the most comprehensive repository of help stuff in their forums. I'm assuming that's because people had time to type things up while waiting for the next program to emerge
[08:44] <The_Vox> hyphenated: lol!
[08:44] <eternale1> lol ya
[08:44] <vladuz976> hey, stupid question, how do i bind a keycombo to a certain command?
[08:45] <rincewynd> when installing a rpm, do we use "alien -i blah.rpm" ?
[08:45] <The_Vox> vladuz976: in the gnome control center there must be a something to do that
[08:45] <eternale1> system -> prefernces -> key binding
[08:45] <eternale1> system -> prefernces -> keyboard shortcuts
[08:46] <stisev> The_Vox: question
[08:46] <stisev> The_Vox: are the graphics drivers installed now or something?
[08:46] <rincewynd> anyone?
[08:46] <The_Vox> eternale1: isn't there an option to change the binding for the workspace change in there too?
[08:46] <stisev> The_Vox: IIRC vmware tools give you higher graphics performance or something?
[08:46] <The_Vox> stisev: the drivers are installed as part of the tools install
[08:46] <eternale1> ya but nothign with the wheel
[08:46] <stisev> The_Vox: ATI Mobility 9600 Pro Turbo here in laptop
[08:46] <eternale1> ar at least i couldn't get it to
[08:46] <eternale1> work
[08:47] <The_Vox> stisev: "higher graphics performance" doesn't mean "good graphics performance" tho :) Just better than with the vga driver...which isn't much to boast about
[08:47] <tiglionabbit> hey guys, is it possible to add a home partition later?
[08:47] <stisev> hello tiglionabbit
[08:47] <tiglionabbit> I mean in such a way that ubuntu will recognize it as home
[08:47] <eternale1> the problem is you have to give it a key binding and it won't recoginize the turn of the whell
[08:48] <eternale1> wheel
[08:48] <The_Vox> eternale1: mouse button 4 and mouse button 5 are the wheel (or 6 and 7 if you are using a 7 button mouse)
[08:48] <stisev> The_Vox: I've hard it's increased performance galore
[08:48] <eternale1> aaah
[08:48] <eternale1> hmm
[08:48] <stisev> The_Vox: goes VmWare tools automagically install it [the graphics driver]  ?
[08:48] <vladuz976> The_Vox: yeah for add adding keycombos to commands, but what ifi wanna add a command to a keycombo
[08:48] <stisev> The_Vox: or do I have to install it seperately?
[08:48] <tiglionabbit> anybody know?  If I make another partition and give it the mountpoint "home" what will happen?
[08:48] <The_Vox> stisev: it depends on the vidcard you use, for the most part....with nvidia, the speedup is about 3x...no clue about ATI
[08:49] <The_Vox> stisev: yes, the driver is part of the tools install
[08:49] <hyphenated> stisev: did you ever get the ATI drivers working for opengl on that laptop?
[08:49] <The_Vox> tiglionabbit: it'll be mounted as home and anything in /home will be inaccessible
[08:49] <stisev> hyphenated: no idea
[08:49] <tiglionabbit> The_Vox: o.o
[08:49] <hyphenated> that means no ;-)
[08:49] <stisev> hyphenated: I haven't installed any external drivers
[08:50] <tiglionabbit> The_Vox: so it's best to move my /home/$user files first, and then I can safely do it?
[08:50] <The_Vox> tiglionabbit: ayup
[08:50] <tiglionabbit> The_Vox: coolies
[08:50] <hyphenated> I'd love to see someone's xorg.conf for working 3D ati drivers on a laptop running ubuntu :-)
[08:50] <tiglionabbit> The_Vox: is there any automated way of backing up all files on a partition for something such as this?
[08:50] <tiglionabbit> other than just CP-ing them somewhere
[08:51] <RichardC> hmm, is there a place i can find new ubuntu themes
[08:51] <tiglionabbit> RichardC: gnome-look.org ?
[08:51] <The_Vox> tiglionabbit: only cp, with the -a option so it keeps permissions and ownerships
[08:52] <hajiki> was msttcorefonts removed from universe?
[08:52] <tiglionabbit> The_Vox: will it keep ownerships even if I CP it to a fat32 partition?
[08:52] <stisev> silly/stupid/and easy question
[08:52] <The_Vox> tiglionabbit: no
[08:52] <tiglionabbit> damn
[08:52] <hyphenated> tiglionabbit: FAT32 doesn't have the concept of ownership and permissions
[08:52] <The_Vox> tiglionabbit: nothing in FAT anything will keep perms...the filesystem doesn't support them
[08:52] <BeatYOu> how do i know if i'm running php in CGI mode ?
[08:52] <hyphenated> tiglionabbit: when you mount a FAT drive, it has to fake it inside the kernel
[08:52] <tiglionabbit> yeah but I was hoping when I cp'd it back it would have preserved them
[08:53] <Razor-X> hey
[08:53] <bimberi> hajiki: would appear so - in multiverse now
[08:53] <evan_d> Is there a specific package needed in Breezy for non-free codecs?  Should I use the backported w32codecs?
[08:53] <steven_> hey i need some help
[08:53] <adwait> hey razor-x
[08:53] <hajiki> bimberi, ahhh how do i add multiverse?
[08:53] <steven_> i cant seem to get sound working on Kubuntu
[08:53] <The_Vox> stephans: ask your question, if somebody has an answer you'll get it
[08:53] <The_Vox> steven_: ask your question, if somebody has an answer you'll get it
[08:53] <adwait> steven_: yeah..?
[08:53] <Razor-X> evan_d: there is, but, I suggest VLC
[08:53] <Razor-X> !vlc
[08:53] <ubotu> rumour has it, vlc is a media player that plays some formats natively.
[08:53] <steven_> i cant get sound on kubuntu
[08:53] <steven_> but on gnome i have sound
[08:53] <steven_> wierd?
[08:53] <bimberi> !repositories
[08:53] <ubotu> repositories is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:54] <steven_> any one know
[08:54] <tiglionabbit> The_Vox: what I'm sort of thinking right now is that I want to shrink the partition ubuntu is installed on, but that would only help if I could shrink it from the beginning
[08:54] <evan_d> Razor-X: I'm looking for something that will embed in Firefox.  VLC does that?
[08:54] <adwait> steven_: sound drivers ok? sound server anabled?
[08:54] <Razor-X> evan_d: if you search the net, I can guarantee you it's been done
[08:54] <bimberi> hajiki: See that link from ubotu (above)
[08:54] <evan_d> Razor-X: thanks
[08:54] <tiglionabbit> evan_d: mozilla-mplayer, mozilla-vlc
[08:54] <steven_> well like i said sound works fine on gnome
[08:54] <Razor-X> steven_: sound in general, or one program?
[08:54] <steven_> just not on kubuntu
[08:54] <tiglionabbit> evan_d: even xine can
[08:54] <steven_> in general
[08:54] <steven_> i tried the device manager
[08:54] <Razor-X> what sound-server is running?
[08:54] <Razor-X> make sure aRts is running
[08:54] <The_Vox> tiglionabbit: I hate messing with partitions, that's why I use LVM :)
[08:54] <steven_> but theres no sound
[08:54] <adwait> steven_: esd running?
[08:55] <Razor-X> adwait: not esd
[08:55] <tiglionabbit> The_Vox: how is LVM different?
[08:55] <Razor-X> Ubuntu uses esd
[08:55] <Razor-X> Kubuntu uses aRts
[08:55] <steven_> CS46xx
[08:55] <adwait> Razor-X: ooh...
[08:55] <steven_> arts? i dunno whaty ou mean
[08:55] <Razor-X> The_Vox: yeah, I hear LVM is awesome
[08:55] <hajiki> bimberi, thanks, i though i would need two more lines, didnt realise it was as easy as adding multiverse after universe. ;] 
[08:55] <steven_> my card is a cirrus sound fusion o
[08:55] <Razor-X> or, better yet, EVMS
[08:55] <Razor-X> steven_: type in "ps -e" and put the output in pastebin
[08:56] <The_Vox> tiglionabbit: LVM works sorta like RAID...it sees all your partitions as a single partition, you can add and remove partitions when you need to...it's pretty nifty :)
[08:56] <tiglionabbit> really
[08:56] <Razor-X> how about EVMS?
[08:56] <tiglionabbit> I don't know how to use raid either
[08:56] <tiglionabbit> I need to learn some stuff here
[08:56] <tiglionabbit> been thinking my partitions were set in stone
[08:56] <bimberi> hajiki: yw :)
[08:56] <steven_> pastebin ok
[08:56] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: there are always blind spots in peoples' knowledge
[08:56] <The_Vox> Razor-X: if you know what you are doing, it is...if you don't, it can be a PITA (I lost all my 44gigs of music by trying to add a partition to my LVM 2 days ago...learned my lesson lol! :)
[08:56] <Razor-X> steven_: yeah
[08:56] <hyphenated> tiglionabbit: it's the evolution of partitions and drives ;-)
[08:57] <Razor-X> The_Vox: then, what's so different from normal partitioning? ;)
[08:57] <hyphenated> how long has RAID been around? almost 20 years?
[08:57] <The_Vox> Razor-X: EVMS is supposed to be better, according to some people, but not as mature as LVM, according to others...so...I decided to stick with mature :)
[08:57] <tiglionabbit> what's a good guide to get my started on this?
[08:57] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: I know nothing of regex, it's embarrassing
[08:57] <steven_> ok its there
[08:57] <Razor-X> The_Vox: EVMS looks quite tantilizing
[08:57] <Razor-X> steven_: link?
[08:57] <steven_> http://pastebin.com/308768
[08:58] <The_Vox> Razor-X: my problem was that I borked up the main volume...a friend told me afterwards that I could have recuperated from the problem, but by then I had already formatted lol!
[08:58] <BeatYOu> how do i fnid the pid of httpd (apache2) so i can close it
[08:58] <BeatYOu> .
[08:58] <BeatYOu> /etc/init.d/apache2 stop does not work
[08:58] <Razor-X> BeatYOu: ps -e | grep httpd
[08:58] <Proteque> with ps
[08:58] <steven_> find anything interesting razor
[08:58] <BeatYOu> thank you
[08:59] <Razor-X> steven_: gonna look now
[08:59] <Razor-X> hmmmmmmmm.....
[09:00] <Razor-X> so, native KDE sound doesen't work?
[09:00] <steven_> yeah it doesnt
[09:00] <steven_> but gnome works fine
[09:00] <Razor-X> why are you using gnome-terminal?
[09:00] <steven_> im not using gnome terminal
[09:00] <Razor-X> you should use stuff like Konsole
[09:00] <steven_> ohhh
[09:00] <steven_> should i load konsol
[09:00] <Razor-X> it's up, as far as I can tell
[09:00] <Razor-X> well, GNOME apps try and use esd
[09:01] <Razor-X> whereas, KDE apps don't
[09:01] <steven_> so how do i get sound to work on kde
[09:01] <steven_> is it possible
[09:01] <steven_> because when i had redhat
[09:01] <steven_> i could get sound perfectly on kde
[09:01] <raja> Hi, I need help with setting up DVD plugin into Totem. Although I have installed totem-gstreamer through Synaptic, yet it still doesn't work. Totem keeps complaining a need for a plugin?
[09:02] <The_Vox> raja: which plugin?
[09:02] <Razor-X> try /usr/bin/artsd restart
[09:02] <steven_> on the terminal
[09:02] <Razor-X> raja: I would suggest VLC meself
[09:02] <Razor-X> steven_: yeah
[09:02] <Razor-X> !vlc
[09:02] <ubotu> vlc is, like, a media player that plays some formats natively.
[09:03] <steven_> ok its seems like its doing something
[09:03] <raja> is it available through Synaptic?
[09:03] <Razor-X> raja: of course, of course
[09:03] <Razor-X> make sure to get libdvdcss as well
[09:04] <Razor-X> (if need be, though, I didn't need it)
[09:04] <tiglionabbit> lol sorry I fed it that def of VLC.  You can change it
[09:04] <steven_> razor
[09:04] <tiglionabbit> alright, EVMS, I still don't understand quite the concept of this
[09:04] <steven_> Razor-X, i got a bunch of erros
[09:05] <The_Vox>  tiglionabbit do you know what RAID is?
[09:06] <tiglionabbit> The_Vox: nope
[09:06] <steven_> Razor-x you wanna see the paste bin?
[09:06] <The_Vox> Razor-X: if you ever try out EVMS, let me know how it goes :)
[09:06] <FLeiXiuS> mdadm!!
[09:06] <The_Vox> tiglionabbit: uhm..ok...think of EVMS/LVM as tricking the OS into seeing 2 or more partitions as if they were only one large partition
[09:07] <steven_> ahhh i cant believei  dont have sound on kubuntu
[09:07] <The_Vox> tiglionabbit: and you can add and remove partitions from the fake partition without having to format it
[09:07] <tiglionabbit> o.O
[09:07] <steven_> razor are you there
[09:10] <steven_> can someone help me out with something
[09:10] <lifeless> possibly.
[09:10] <steven_> i cant get sound running on kubuntu
[09:10] <deviant> hello guys
[09:11] <pressure_man> breezy seems usable today
[09:11] <BeatYOu> what is the copy command in terminal please
[09:11] <deviant> can somebody pls explain to me how i ca change the workfing directory of apache2 server from /var/www to what ever directory i need
[09:11] <deviant> *working even
[09:11] <steven_> ughh is my question that hard lol
[09:11] <steven_> i get sound working on gnome just not on kubuntu why is this ?
[09:11] <deviant> stephans: what sound card do you have ?
[09:12] <TerminX> can someone paste their /etc/modules somewhere?  mine is terribly ancient (this install was once a Debian install, installed via Knoppix, in 2003)
[09:12] <The_Vox> deviant: you need to edit the DocumentRoot variable in your apache config
[09:12] <The_Vox> TerminX: what kernel are you using now?
[09:12] <pressure_man> running breezy right now
[09:12] <FLeiXiuS> deviant: edit apaches document root path in the config.
[09:12] <steven_> i have a cirrus sound fusuion cs46xx
[09:12] <TerminX> 2.6.12-ck2
[09:12] <deviant> The_Vox: in which of the config files?
[09:12] <tiglionabbit> The_Vox: where is an explanation that can get me started with this?
[09:12] <HermanDE> pressure_man: How does it feel?
[09:12] <steven_> i have a cirrus sound fusuion cs46xx
[09:13] <TerminX> I just want to see what a "normal" 2.6 based install would have in it
[09:13] <FLeiXiuS> BeatYOu: You should ask good, how to copy files..he'll give you over 3 billion results.
[09:13] <TerminX> because I have all kinds of old 2.4 shit I obviously don't need (and haven't needed for a LONG time)
[09:13] <pressure_man> scary
[09:13] <nekohayo> TerminX, just a sec
[09:13] <HermanDE> pressure_man: Any major differences?
[09:13] <pressure_man> the menus in gnome have been broken the last few days
[09:13] <steven_> i have a cirrus sound fusuion cs46xx
[09:13] <pressure_man> openoffice 2
[09:13] <pressure_man> newer kernel
[09:14] <pressure_man> not a lot other visible changes
[09:14] <HermanDE> pressure_man: Hmmm...  I'm hoping ubuntu will adopt a debian "menu" system....
[09:14] <The_Vox> TerminX: /etc/modules is particular to each computer...it tells the system which modules to load at boot...it's only useful if you need to load some modules in a particular order or there's some module that isn't getting loaded when the HW gets seen
[09:14] <TerminX> I know what it is
[09:14] <TerminX> I'm well aware of what it does
[09:14] <steven_> deviant
[09:14] <pressure_man> breezy freeze is coming up this month i think
[09:14] <nekohayo> http://pastebin.com/308780
[09:14] <steven_> deviant did you copy that?
[09:14] <deviant> steven_: copy what ?
[09:14] <The_Vox> pressure_man: version freeze?
[09:15] <TerminX> nekohayo: thanks, that's about what I thought I'd see
[09:15] <HermanDE> pressure_man: That's a quick freeze.  Breeze is expected in Oct.....
[09:15] <nekohayo> :)
[09:15] <lifeless> pressure_man: today in fact
[09:15] <steven_> oh lol i have a sound fusion cs46
[09:15] <TerminX> The_Vox: let me be specific and state that my /etc/modules is so old that it's /39/ lines long
[09:15] <pressure_man> they take a freezy snapshot of debian sid
[09:15] <TerminX> as opposed to the 11 that nekohayo pasted for me
[09:15] <The_Vox> TerminX: youch!
[09:15] <pressure_man> freezy... i mean freeze.
[09:15] <The_Vox> TerminX: mine is 2 lines long (not counting comments) :)
[09:15] <nekohayo> wow.
[09:15] <Jammie> hey..
[09:16] <TerminX> now to figure out what I can remove..
[09:16] <TerminX> probably most of it
[09:16] <BeatYOu> The_Vox you know why everytime i /etc/init.d/apache2 restart it tell sme the pid is not running
[09:16] <steven_> whatever
[09:16] <HermanDE> pressure_man: Breezy is a snapshot of Etch....  There has to be a joke there somewhere...  :)
[09:16] <steven_> im out
[09:16] <The_Vox> BeatYOu: no clue at all
[09:16] <BeatYOu> :[
[09:16] <pressure_man> snapshot of sid isn't it?
[09:16] <Jammie> okay i just got some ubuntu 5.04 cds in the mail.. and when i try to install it the debootstrap loader gets an error, return value 1
[09:16] <nekohayo> can someone tell me if it would be... let's say, somewhat safe to breeze in august?
[09:16] <jasoncohen> why doesn't gnome 2.10's print manager automatically search for networked printers on a CUPS server like kde's print manager does?
[09:17] <HermanDE> pressure_man: Yes....  And until an official Etch opens, SID=ETCH....
[09:17] <HrdwrBoB> jasoncohen: because it's not KDE's print manager
[09:17] <HrdwrBoB> that is a nice feature though
[09:17] <HrdwrBoB> either submit an enhancement bugreport
[09:17] <jasoncohen> it's not a big deal to add the URL manually but why bother?
[09:17] <Jammie> any idea?
[09:17] <HrdwrBoB> or wait :)
[09:17] <pressure_man> true, but is etch not open yet?
[09:17] <hondje> kio slaves kick ass :-/
[09:17] <Jammie> ive tryed reading several forums
[09:17] <Jammie> no answer.
[09:17] <deviant> The_Vox: in which of the config files do i have to edit? the one in /etc/apache2/ or in /usr/share/apache2/ ?!?
[09:17] <jasoncohen> HrdwrBoB, either submit an enhancement bugreport or?
[09:17] <The_Vox> Jammie: I think you came around at newbie hour and nobody has seen that error yet :)
[09:18] <HrdwrBoB> jasoncohen: wait :)
[09:18] <pressure_man> i think the breezy release will mark Windependence day for me.
[09:18] <BeatYOu> The_Vox is there anyway to kill all PIDs named apache2 ?
[09:18] <HermanDE> pressure_man: Sarge is just starting to shake out....  an official Etch opening is more than a month away....
[09:18] <The_Vox> deviant: in /etc/apache2
[09:18] <The_Vox> BeatYOu: ps ax | grep htt
[09:18] <jasoncohen> HrdwrBoB, until 2.12 or until someone bothers to fix it
[09:18] <deviant> The_Vox: apache2.conf ?
[09:18] <The_Vox> BeatYOu: the first number in the line that you get from that should be the PID
[09:18] <HrdwrBoB> jasoncohen: basically yes
[09:19] <The_Vox> deviant: I believe so...but I'm not sure, because I haven't installed apache on a debian-based distro in years, so I don't know if they split the config file or not
[09:19] <deviant> The_Vox: oh ...ok
[09:19] <The_Vox> BeatYOu: or you can probably do it with "sudo killall httpd2" or some similar command
[09:20] <HrdwrBoB> apache2
[09:20] <HrdwrBoB> apache2ctl stop
[09:20] <HrdwrBoB> or /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
[09:20] <nekohayo> would it be safe enough to breeze in august?
[09:20] <deviant> apache2ctl -k stop
[09:20] <The_Vox> HrdwrBoB: the init.d option isn't working for BeatYOu
[09:20] <BeatYOu> HrdwrBoB when i try to stop it says the PID is not running
[09:21] <BeatYOu> same thing with apache2ctl
[09:21] <jasoncohen> nekohayo, well, it's going into freeze sometime in august
[09:21] <jasoncohen> once it's been frozen for a few weeks it should be ok i would imagine
[09:21] <HrdwrBoB> BeatYOu: the apache2 binary is called apache2 though :)
[09:21] <chong> can someone point me to whatever it is that starts esd?
[09:21] <nekohayo> jasoncohen, where could I find out more precision?
[09:21] <The_Vox> HrdwrBoB: it isn't called httpd2??
[09:21] <BeatYOu> no
[09:21] <BeatYOu> apaceh2
[09:21] <BeatYOu> apache2
[09:21] <BeatYOu> The_Vox the killall seems to have worked
[09:21] <BeatYOu> thanks
[09:22] <jasoncohen> nekohayo, well, no one knows if it's going to be stable or not in august. it's just a guess. if you want a stable release use hoary
[09:22] <BeatYOu> when i ps -A
[09:22] <BeatYOu> no more apache2
[09:22] <The_Vox> I'm going to have to learn a bunch of new names for things on this...grumble mumblemumblemumble
[09:22] <HrdwrBoB> The_Vox: because it's not httpd2 it's apache2
[09:22] <jasoncohen> nekohayo, until breezy is released it's a development branch meaning it should not be used as a stable desktop/server and it doesn't get official security support
[09:22] <HrdwrBoB> The_Vox: apache is called apache
[09:22] <The_Vox> HrdwrBoB: yes...but most other distros call it httpd and httpd2 :)
[09:22] <HrdwrBoB> it's redhat that made apache httpd
[09:22] <HrdwrBoB> no, redhat does
[09:22] <jasoncohen> nekohayo, right now it's broken and will be broken again.; if you want to be safe wait until breezy is released
[09:22] <The_Vox> HrdwrBoB: suse and mandrake do too
[09:23] <The_Vox> HrdwrBoB: I *think* gentoo does...sorcerer does for sure.
[09:23] <chatmandoo> hi
[09:23] <nekohayo> jasoncohen, well actually I was using hoary around march
[09:23] <chatmandoo> im having problems running ubuntu live cd on my hpzv6000
[09:23] <nekohayo> jasoncohen, I found it quite stable for me by then
[09:23] <chatmandoo> can someone help
[09:23] <jasoncohen> nekohayo, i'm not telling you not to use breezy. i'm just saying you're taking a risk by doing so.
[09:23] <chong> can anyone tell me where esd gets started from?
[09:23] <chong> i dont see it in my gnome session
[09:23] <notos> can some one access google.com? i cant it is down? (i know this not the place but i dont know whereto go O_O)
[09:24] <jasoncohen> nekohayo, wait until august and ask then if it's more stable. no one can tell you now.
[09:24] <nekohayo> yeah I know ;)
[09:24] <nekohayo> right
[09:24] <nekohayo> thanks
[09:24] <chong> notos, google is fine here
[09:24] <The_Vox> notos: working fine here
[09:24] <tiglionabbit> google?  down?  never
[09:24] <notos> O_O then is my machine :'( i fell like lost
[09:24] <The_Vox> tiglionabbit: actually, google was down for a few hours about a month ago...DNS problems
[09:24] <HermanDE> notos: How long have you seen it down?
[09:24] <zeenix> hello
[09:24] <chatmandoo> can someone help
[09:25] <chatmandoo> im having problems running ubuntu live cd on my hpzv6000
[09:25] <HermanDE> notos: It is not uncommon to hit a google server that has a problem.....
[09:25] <chong> The_bellman, american dns i assume?
[09:25] <BeatYOu> arghh i always have trouble finding the ubuntu repository
[09:25] <tiglionabbit> The_Vox: so um, what exactly are the benefits of EVMS for me?
[09:25] <chong> everything has been fine in .jp for the past month
[09:25] <notos> i was just going to search for some thing and ... Cant find google.com
[09:25] <nekohayo> chatmandoo, even with the safe mode?
[09:25] <luzbelito> hi i cant use dvd shrink under ubuntu. i try to configure DMA on but is not possible. can anyone help me
[09:25] <jasoncohen> why does the restrictedformats FAQ say to add hoary-extras and then tell users how to install realplayer from a .bin file and not to use divx/xvid when realplayer is included in extras and xvid/divx, wmv, quicktime, realplayer codecs are in w32codecs?
[09:25] <jasoncohen> with hoary-extras you can play just about any format you might want to play
[09:25] <zeenix> s/haory/hoary/ :)
[09:25] <HermanDE> notos: Can you ping your resolv.conf entries?
[09:25] <chatmandoo> i havent tried safe mode really
[09:26] <chatmandoo> but what boot parameters should i pass
[09:26] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: probably because those codecs only seem to work in mplayer
[09:26] <jasoncohen> why not just tell users to add hoary-extras and install w32codecs?
[09:26] <The_Vox> tiglionabbit: you have one partition with everything in it, across a million physical discs if you can fit them in your computer...I have a 400gig partition at the moment here....waiting for money to add another 200gigs :)
[09:26] <nekohayo> hmm, I often hear about noapic or something like this
[09:26] <notos> letme see
[09:26] <chong> the w32codecs work with totem-xine as well
[09:26] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, that's not true. w32codecs works with xine and totem-xine
[09:26] <pressure_man> i'm more impressed with ubuntu than debian
[09:26] <Arkainium> why are there so many different versions of automake and why does ubuntu choose 1.4 by default?
[09:26] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, and other frontends that use xine like kaffeine
[09:26] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: then why can't I play realmedia in totem?
[09:26] <HrdwrBoB> pressure_man: well, that's what ubuntu i supposed to be :)
[09:26] <HrdwrBoB> Arkainium: why not
[09:26] <BeatYOu> http://packages.ubuntu.com/ ahhhh
[09:27] <luzbelito> me too pressure man
[09:27] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, oh- i don't know about real but you should be able to play divx/xvid, windows media, quicktime
[09:27] <pressure_man> debian needs some serious updating
[09:27] <pressure_man> and to ditch a few archs
[09:27] <chong> tiglionabbit, are you running totem-xine or totem-gstreamer (default)
[09:27] <Jesse1> any1 know a visual website editor like dreamweaver for ubuntu?
[09:27] <Arkainium> HrdwrBoB, why not the latest version?  isn't that theoretically the most stable and featureful?
[09:27] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, realplayer has always been weird- i just added realplayer
[09:27] <chong> pressure_man, no debian doesnt need to ditch archs
[09:27] <jasoncohen> and try not to use real
[09:27] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: quicktime's screwing up on me
[09:27] <pressure_man> chong: why not?
[09:27] <notos> HermanDE: Yes i can ping them
[09:28] <chong> pressure_man, because some of us use the arch's that would be dropped
[09:28] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, works fine here with mozilla-mplayer and also in kaffeine which uses xine. what's your problem?
[09:28] <The_Vox> tiglionabbit: realmedia needs the ALL codecs package from mplayer's site...it's not part of the "recommended" which is what I believe gets packaged for hoary-extras
[09:28] <concept10> anyone know how to change java's font?
[09:28] <HermanDE> Debian is about as good as it can get.  It is rapidly becoming the framework upon which most other distros are hanging their wares....
[09:28] <pressure_man> chong: what arch do you use?
[09:28] <HrdwrBoB> Arkainium: nfi
[09:28] <chong> pressure_man, HPPA
[09:28] <tiglionabbit> uh
[09:28] <concept10> HermanDE, rapidly becoming?
[09:28] <Arkainium> lol
[09:28] <The_Vox> anyway, 230am is late enough :)
[09:28] <HermanDE> notos: Try and do a host www.google.com
[09:28] <The_Vox> nite all
[09:28] <pressure_man> chong: why don't you run HPUX (curious)
[09:29] <chong> pressure_man, because i prefer linux to unix really
[09:29] <jasoncohen> w32codecs says it supports realvideo 8,9
[09:29] <notos> HermanDE: Host www.google.com not found: 2(SERVFAIL)
[09:29] <jasoncohen> maybe it's a real one stream
[09:29] <chatmandoo> fabbione, hi still there
[09:29] <tiglionabbit> say, whaddayaknow, when I installed totem-xine suddenly totem plays realplayer stuff properly
[09:29] <Jammie> ubuntu seems to be shit
[09:29] <deviant> The_Vox: "You don't have permission to access / on this server." <-- i get this when ever i chage the dir fom /var/www to other dir. any sugestions ?
[09:29] <HrdwrBoB> wow Jammie thanks for that insight
[09:29] <tiglionabbit> the restricted formats thing should mention that
[09:29] <pressure_man> chong: but a big problem with debian is that they don't release an update until everything runs fine on all archs
[09:29] <fabbione> chatmandoo: yes, but i am a bit busy atm
[09:30] <HermanDE> concept10: Yep.  At one time, most distros tried to replicate RedHat.  Take a look at distrowatch.org and check out how many new Debian based distros have been released in the past year....
[09:30] <chong> besides HP is trying to drop their unix stuff for linux anyway
[09:30] <Jammie> the installer is complete crap.
[09:30] <HrdwrBoB> deviant: change ALL instances of /var/awww
[09:30] <pressure_man> chong: as you can imagine, there will always be some pkgs that cause a few probs on certain archs
[09:30] <jasoncohen> pressure_man, that might change with the vancouver proposal
[09:30] <chatmandoo> k
[09:30] <zeenix> does anyone know how to set the picture in the gdmgreeter?
[09:30] <chatmandoo> some help needed though
[09:30] <HermanDE> notos: try host www.yahoo.com
[09:30] <Jesse1> Jammie, well no one forces u to use ubuntu
[09:30] <zeenix> picture of users
[09:30] <pressure_man> what's the vancouver proposal?
[09:30] <HrdwrBoB> Jammie: your idea of 'complete crap' is obviously different to a lot of peoples
[09:30] <jasoncohen> pressure_man, but they'll still be doing 12-18 month releases- not 6 month like ubuntu
[09:30] <tiglionabbit> Hey whaddayaknow, now quicktime can crash Totem!
[09:30] <jasoncohen> it's primarily used as a stable server distro as i see it
[09:30] <chatmandoo> ndiswrapper wirelesstools and wpasupplicant implemented in hoary???????
[09:30] <deviant> HrdwrBoB: but there are like 5 files which contains this instance ... i have tho change it in ALL of them ?
[09:30] <concept10> HermanDE, my point was that distros have been based off Debian for YEARS
[09:30] <wdh> Jammie, ubuntu uses the debian installer afaik :P
[09:30] <pressure_man> yeah, i read that etch would be released in december 2006
[09:31] <notos> HermanDE: www.yahoo.akadns.net has address 68.142.197.65
[09:31] <Jammie> Jess: yea i know, i just got some cds in the mail, and tryed to install it on one of my boxen
[09:31] <Jammie> i'm a freebsd user.
[09:31] <luzbelito> anyone can help me to use dvd shrink under ubuntu or some similar tool ????
[09:31] <HrdwrBoB> deviant: specifically the <Directory  tag
[09:31] <notos> with severla more
[09:31] <jasoncohen> pressure_man, heh, i doubt that early- it's going to be in 2007
[09:31] <pressure_man> certainly, if debian were willing to release updates for different archs asynchronously, that would be nice
[09:31] <jasoncohen> pressure_man, that's what everyone was saying in #debian after sarge was released
[09:31] <Jammie> wdh: well then the debian install is shit.
[09:31] <wdh> Jammie, and i loved the installer.. it worked smoothly here
[09:31] <HermanDE> concept10: Yep, I agree.  But Debian was not a popular framework until Knoppix started to show the world the ease of Debian....
[09:31] <deviant> HrdwrBoB: ok, got it :)
[09:31] <onkarshinde> Anybody having any experience with Ubuntu on HP laptops?
[09:32] <wdh> onkarshinde, #ubuntu
[09:32] <jasoncohen> pressure_man, that's what might happen if the vancouver proposal is put into action. it supports having only 3-4 main archs and the rest won't hold up the release
[09:32] <chong> pressure_man, and thats fine for those of us that use debian on the server
[09:32] <chong> people dont want to update servers every 6 months
[09:32] <chong> 4 years is plenty fine
[09:32] <chong> hell i still run woody
[09:32] <chong> yes
[09:32] <HermanDE> notos: hmm..  Try host google.com
[09:32] <chong> as far as i'm concerned the debian people are doing just fine
[09:32] <chong> i'll continue to use it
[09:32] <chong> and on my desktop machines i'll use ubuntu
[09:32] <jasoncohen> sarge was held up by arch specific problems
[09:32] <pressure_man> jasoncohen: that would definitely rock.
[09:32] <HrdwrBoB> Jammie: if you have a specific problem, go ahead
[09:32] <HrdwrBoB> but saying 'complete crap' is not helping anyone
[09:32] <pressure_man> but essentially, that would be ubuntu
[09:33] <notos> tha same ... 2(SERVFAIL) :'(
[09:33] <jasoncohen> chong is right. if you want a stable server distro use debian. if you want a good desktop distro or you need more up to date server packages use ubuntu
[09:33] <onkarshinde> wdh: I didn't get you?
[09:33] <pressure_man> 3-4 main archs....
[09:33] <HermanDE> chong: Here Here....  A server should be stable enough to hold it's own for years...  With uptimes in the many hundereds of days.....
[09:33] <jasoncohen> but ubuntu doesn't provide security support for a bunch of server packages like spamassassin
[09:33] <wdh> onkarshinde, sorry.. i thought i was looking at #debian :P
[09:33] <luzbelito> anyone can help me to use dvd shrink under ubuntu or some similar tool ????
[09:33] <jasoncohen> pressure_man, no it wouldn't
[09:33] <pressure_man> i don't like the way debian is still a very 2.4-oriented distro
[09:33] <Jammie> Hr: okay the debootstrap fails with an exit return 1 and the virtual console 3 has an input/output error.
[09:33] <jasoncohen> pressure_man, debian is never going to have 6 month release cycles and it will be tested more thouroughly and will be older
[09:34] <Jammie> it's failing on copying a file from the cd to the hdd
[09:34] <pressure_man> it doesn't run that cleanly on on modern hardware (eg with PCIe)
[09:34] <jasoncohen> it  will be 12-18 month no matter what
[09:34] <HermanDE> notos: It sounds like your dns servers are having a problem......
[09:34] <wdh> pressure_man, well.. just wait 2-3 years, maybe there will be a new stable based on 2.6 :P
[09:34] <chong> no, sarge was held up because they decided to push gnome 2.6... and then gnome 2.8
[09:34] <Jammie> and these cds arent burns
[09:34] <Jammie> they are cd's from ubuntu
[09:34] <chong> they broke out of freezes for unimportant (for some people) stuff
[09:34] <chong> but anywho does anyone happen to know where esd gets started from in ubuntu?
[09:34] <onkarshinde> I will be buying HP laptop soon. Anybody with Ubuntu experience on HP laptop?
[09:34] <jasoncohen> wdh and chong: you're wrong. sarge has 2.6.8. you just type linux26 at boot in the install CD
[09:34] <pressure_man> wdh: hahah, in the meantime i think i'll look at using ubuntu as a server (server install, no gui)
[09:34] <Jammie> i have 12 copys of ubuntu 5.04
[09:34] <chong> jasoncohen, i know sarge has 2.6
[09:35] <jasoncohen> pressure_man, sarge would make a great server
[09:35] <Jammie> they were free
[09:35] <Jammie> so i ordered 12
[09:35] <Jammie> heh
[09:35] <chong> i didnt say it didnt
[09:35] <pressure_man> it does make a great server. it is my server
[09:35] <jasoncohen> chong, sorry- i meant pressure_man and wdh. they thought sarge only had 2.4
[09:35] <chatmandoo> pls ndiswrapper wirelesstools and wpasupplicant implemented in hoary???????
[09:35] <notos> how do i send red messages like you ? HermanDE
[09:35] <pressure_man> no, i realise sarge has 2.6
[09:35] <pressure_man> i'm running it.
[09:35] <Jammie> pressu: freebsd is superior as a server operating system.
[09:35] <jasoncohen> notos, /msg nick
[09:35] <chong> notos, in xchat you just type their name first ;)
[09:35] <pressure_man> but they still do things in a 2.4 way
[09:35] <pressure_man> eg, not using udev by default
[09:35] <jasoncohen> notos, sorry- that's for private messages
[09:36] <Jammie> linux is more for newbies who want an easy desktop alternative to windows.
[09:36] <HermanDE> notos: Which IRC client are you using?  What are your settings?
[09:36] <jasoncohen> notos, to make them red for a person- just type their name
[09:36] <notos> Xchat
[09:36] <wdh> jasoncohen, no flames here :P
[09:36] <chong> Jammie, stop trolling
[09:36] <peet> what do you guy suse to play audio files?
[09:36] <peet> besides beep xmms and rhythmbox
[09:36] <Jammie> chong: i'm not trolling.
[09:36] <chong> peet, amarok
[09:36] <HermanDE> notos: If it is the default, then any messge with your user id will show as red....
[09:36] <peet> and amarok
[09:37] <HermanDE> notos: Again if it is the default, then any messages you send will show as grey....
[09:37] <Jammie> chong: i was merely stating my opinion.
[09:37] <notos> HermanDE: like this
[09:37] <jasoncohen> wdh, i'm starting a flame? i'm just saying debian is a fine distro. and it better be since all of ubuntu is based on debian and universe is made up of untouched debian packages
[09:37] <Jammie> if that has to be met with ignorance and taken offensively
[09:37] <chong> opinion or not its still a troll
[09:37] <Jammie> thats not my problem
[09:37] <Jammie> chong: no this is a troll..
[09:37] <pressure_man> Jammie: i spent 6 months replacing freebsd in a company because it crashed a lot and corrupted disks
[09:37] <BeatYOu> sudo tar -xvzf right ?
[09:37] <Jesse1> Jammie, opinions are wrong didnt they teach u that in school
[09:37] <HermanDE> notos: Yep.....
[09:37] <wdh> Jammie, there is really no point in making such statements.. half of the people here will disagree with you.. and since you didnt say why that is your opinion, it will only result in a lot of statements made, which is quite useless :)
[09:37] <doug_> notos: does this look red to you?
[09:37] <notos> weee ^_^
[09:37] <Jammie> chong sucks big fat nigger dicks...
[09:37] <tiglionabbit> The_Vox: say, I have been thinking I want to use a desktop of mine for all my major storage of stuff things.  How exactly do I mount a partition on my desktop as if it were connected to my laptop?
[09:37] <HermanDE> notes
[09:37] <notos> yep :)
[09:38] <Jammie> there
[09:38] <Jammie> now
[09:38] <pressure_man> Jammie: rolled out debian on ~30 boxes and it ran like a charm.
[09:38] <Jammie> that
[09:38] <HermanDE> notes: is
[09:38] <HermanDE> notes: red
[09:38] <Jammie> was a troll.
 Jammie: i spent 6 months replacing freebsd in a company because it crashed a lot and corrupted disks
[09:38] <Jammie> ive been running freebsd for years
[09:38] <wdh> jasoncohen, uhm.. sorry, my autocomplete got me again.. i was talking to Jammie back there :P
[09:38] <Jammie> and i've never had any problems with it.
[09:38] <Jammie> sounds like user error.
[09:39] <HermanDE> pressure_man: I guess Jammie has plenty of time between loading libraries and compiling to have a lucid discussion about distros....
[09:39] <pressure_man> with ATA disks?
[09:39] <notos> thanks :-) i will wait until the DNS thing is ok :)
[09:39] <peet> pressure_man: i heard bsd was more stable than nix
[09:39] <jasoncohen> Jammie, i'm sure many people can say the same about linux servers - especially debian servers
[09:39] <chong> Jammie, so if i were to say taht BSD is utter shit would that be a troll?
[09:39] <Jammie> chong: no
[09:39] <Jammie> that would be your opinion
[09:39] <Jammie> and that you are entitled to.
[09:39] <doug_> It was black on white on my screen.  Type my name and a message     please.
[09:39] <hyphenated> he didn't say it was an opinion, he said it like a fact
[09:39] <wdh> ok, /ignore Jammie  :P
[09:39] <pressure_man> i've also heard that freebsd is very stable. but for some bizarre reason, it really didn't like the hardware we were running
[09:39] <teroedni> hello
[09:39] <Mestapheles> I'm getting a reproducible "Configure multiseat system error" while installing from hoary CD.  Anyone know about this?
[09:39] <chong> and if i were to say it in #bsd wouldnt you think i'd piss a lot of folk off?
[09:40] <doug_> notos It was black on white on my screen.  Type my name and a message     please.
[09:40] <HermanDE> peet: bsd is even more stable than my Commodore 64...
[09:40] <Jammie> hyphenated: pay attention, i stated blatently outright that it was my opinion
[09:40] <teroedni> i looked myself out from x and need to get in
[09:40] <pressure_man> which was pretty common hardware - intel mobos, seagate ide disks
[09:40] <Jammie> and i didnt say debian was shit
[09:40] <Jammie> i said it's install was shit
[09:40] <teroedni> however i cant use gedit
[09:40] <chong> its install is the same as ubuntus install
[09:40] <Jammie> and i also said freebsd was superior as a server operating system.
[09:40] <chong> ubuntu uses d-i
[09:40] <pressure_man> for whatever reason, it frequently had errors reading the ATA channels, and corrupted it's FS.
[09:40] <teroedni> from comand line
[09:40] <Mestapheles> debian's install is pretty well the same as ubuntu's right now
[09:40] <Jesse1> Jammie, but were not using servers are we?
[09:40] <jasoncohen> Jammie, it's install is shit? hoary's installer is just a modified version of sarge's installer? it's based on the same d-i
[09:40] <Mestapheles> where do you think ubuntu got it from?
[09:40] <notos> doug_: .... a message :P
[09:40] <jasoncohen> they're both easy
[09:40] <pressure_man> fscking a 200GB drive 3 times a week is not fun.
[09:41] <hyphenated> Jammie: how about lets go to China and call them all fools for sticking with chopsticks, since knives and forks are the One True Eating Utensil
[09:41] <Mestapheles> debian's is actually better
[09:41] <Jammie> so yea get your shit strauight before you comment,
[09:41] <fabbione> chatmandoo: ok.. how can i help you?
[09:41] <HermanDE> Jammie: In a simple sentence, how is BSD so superior?
[09:41] <HrdwrBoB> in any case 'superior' is a stupid term
[09:41] <pressure_man> considering we later put in a 2.4TB array, we sure as hell weren't going to watch that fsck.
[09:41] <wdh> *aargh* please take this to #flamewar
[09:41] <Mestapheles> my god is someone here arguing that fbsd is better?
[09:41] <chong>  hyphenated Jammie: how about lets go to China and call them all fools for sticking with chopsticks, since knives and forks are the One True Eating Utensil <-- shit i'm in japan and i say that all the time ;)
[09:41] <HrdwrBoB> in some ways some thigns abter better others are better at other things
[09:41] <HrdwrBoB> so ST
[09:41] <doug_> notos Yeh!  It's in red!!!!
[09:41] <HrdwrBoB> stfu all of you
[09:41] <hyphenated> chong: haha nice
[09:41] <Jesse1> HermanDE, i say that each distros have there ups and downs
[09:42] <lifeless> bob2___: ping
[09:42] <notos> doug_: LOL
[09:42] <Jammie> herm: it's more secure, it's socket latency is extremely faster, the way it handles ip aliasing and advanced networking infrastructures is mature and to the point.
[09:42] <chatmandoo> pls ndiswrapper wirelesstools and wpasupplicant implemented in hoary???????
[09:42] <evilgod69linux> anyone know how i'd go about getting /etc/X11/xorg.conf regenerated? on ubuntu 5.04
[09:42] <chatmandoo> fabbione, pls ndiswrapper wirelesstools and wpasupplicant implemented in hoary???????
[09:42] <daniels> evilgod69linux: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[09:42] <chatmandoo> plus when i boot ubuntu ubuntu crashes
[09:42] <HermanDE> Jesse1: Who's talking about distros, I'm talking about complete OS's.  Windows has some good points.  Geeze... TRS-80 DOS was great.
[09:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Seveas morning
[09:42] <daniels> chatmandoo: calm down, dude.  ndiswrapper is already there, and I'm pretty sure the other ones are too.
[09:42] <BeatYOu> sudo tar -xvzf /path/to/tar/tar.gz /where/to/extract
[09:42] <BeatYOu> is that right
[09:42] <Mestapheles> hey Daniels, do you know of a "Configure multiseat systems" error during hoary CD install on Imacs?
[09:42] <pressure_man> Jammie: i heard freebsd had a crap installer
[09:42] <concept10> take the platform wars else where, please
[09:42] <doug_> notos  Another great Milestone in Computer History !!
[09:43] <daniels> Mestapheles: yeah.  boot with multiseat-udeb/force_multiseat=false (I think).
[09:43] <chong> pressure_man, i'll attest to that ;)
[09:43] <fabbione> chatmandoo: hoary had ndiswrapper.. and the rest is in universe.. there is nothing that needs to be implemented or can be implemented... hoary has been released.
[09:43] <daniels> HermanDE: ok, enough of the platform wars, dude.
[09:43] <Mestapheles> how does one get around it?
[09:43] <Mestapheles> I'll check the forums
[09:43] <Jesse1> HermanDE, oh
[09:43] <daniels> Mestapheles: i think linux multiseat-udeb/force_multiseat=false
[09:43] <daniels> Jesse1: you too
[09:43] <chatmandoo> fabbione, so ndiswrapper  and wpa_supplicant is inc in hoary?
[09:43] <Jammie> pressure_man: some people might dislike it, i personally find it to be very direct and easy to use.
[09:43] <pressure_man> Jammie: if you want to compile your whole OS from scratch each time it releases an upgrade, you could consider Gentoo
[09:44] <fabbione> chatmandoo: not sure about wpa_supplicant, but ndiswrapper for sure
[09:44] <pressure_man> a stage 1 install will nicely consume an entire weekend.
[09:44] <Mestapheles> thanks, I try that at the first install prompt
[09:44] <daniels> ah, that was it
[09:44] <chong> so does anyone know how esd gets started in ubuntu or am i going to have to grep it out myself?
[09:44] <HermanDE> daniels: I'm about as neutral as one can get.  I use the best tool for the required application.  Why join a religion when I can pick and choose....
[09:44] <daniels> Mestapheles: boot with linux multiseat-udeb/disable_multiseat=true
[09:44] <Jammie> pressure_man: it takes longer to compile gentoo than it does freebsd :)
[09:44] <notos> chong: ubuntuguide.org
[09:44] <chatmandoo> oh shucks
[09:44] <pressure_man> some of us have better things to do than watch 'make' compile stuff
[09:44] <daniels> HermanDE: regardless of that -- and there's nothing wrong with pragmatism -- it's off-topic here, ok?
[09:44] <Jammie> a freebsd source upgrade is simple
[09:44] <chong> notos, thanks
[09:44] <jasoncohen> there's not point to this. I'm sure that both Linux and BSD have their uses as server distros. Let each person use what they want to use based on their individual needs and don't trash other people's choices.
[09:44] <daniels> ATTENTION.
[09:44] <daniels> the whole platform war thing going on right now is wildly off-topic.
[09:45] <daniels> the purpose of this channel is Ubuntu support.  i appreciate that others like to talk about other things, and that's great -- there's #ubuntu-offtopic for that.
[09:45] <daniels> please only use this channel for supporting Ubuntu.
[09:45] <daniels> thankyou.
[09:45] <hyphenated> thanks daniels
[09:45] <chatmandoo> fabbione, so wpa is really not applicable with ubuntu at least wpa_supplicant
[09:45] <HermanDE> daniels: I think the flamer of the night is Jamie....
[09:45] <Jammie> daniels.. how about you bend over stick your head between your legs and kiss your own ass
[09:45] <Jammie> hows that for offtopic you fucking nigger?
[09:45] <daniels> (by 'supporting Ubuntu', I mean 'supporting others with problems with Ubuntu', etc'
[09:46] <Jammie> oh eat my asshole
[09:46] <Jesse1> any1 know of any software for ubuntu like dreamweaver?
[09:46] <fabbione> chatmandoo: we had a request to include wpa_supplicant modules in the kernel, but i didn't get around to check it yet.. if there will be.. they will be in breezy.
[09:46] <acid2> Jesse1, yea, gimme a sec
[09:46] <evilgod69linux> daniels: thanks for that, it's fixed now :)
[09:46] <Jesse1> acid2, ok
[09:46] <daniels> evilgod69linux: any time
[09:46] <hyphenated> Jesse1: nvu ?
[09:46] <chong> oh dang ubuntuguide.org might just be what i need...
[09:46] <hyphenated> I've never used it, but heard about that one
[09:46] <Jesse1> hyphenated, ?
[09:47] <chong> thanks again to notos
[09:47] <jasoncohen> fabbione, are you trying to setup WPA-PSK with wpasupplicant? I can help if that's what you need
[09:47] <chatmandoo> ubunty breezy release?
[09:47] <fabbione> jasoncohen: no i am not.. chatmandoo is asking
[09:47] <daniels> i should get double time for babysitting.
[09:47] <fabbione> chatmandoo: yes
[09:47] <hyphenated> Jesse1: it's the name of a package you can download. claims to be complete web authoring somethingorother
[09:47] <jasoncohen> chatmandoo, "BreezyBadger - Version 5.10. Next release, scheduled for October 2005. In the process of being set up. Use this if you want the most up-to-date packages."
[09:47] <jasoncohen> from wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:47] <jasoncohen> but i wouldn't support using it now
[09:47] <Jesse1> hyphenated, i searched nothing came out in the synaptic
[09:48] <hondje> unless you like filing bugs :)
[09:48] <acid2> ah
[09:48] <acid2> Jesse1, Quanta Plus - maybe
[09:48] <acid2> i dunno if its wysiwyg though
[09:48] <acid2> also, bluefish is good (but thats source code editing)
[09:48] <Jesse1> acid2, ill have a look at that
[09:49] <doug_>   This is Great.  I've learned two new & useful things tonight :  sudo  and the red thread of direct messages.  Thanks!
[09:49] <onkarshinde> Jesse1: Why don't you download nvu directly from its site?
[09:49] <jasoncohen> chatmandoo, do you need help with WPA-PSK. i've setup WPA-PSK on ubuntu with wpasupplicant. i can send you my configuration file- you will just have to edit it to add your SSID & WPA-PSK key
[09:49] <chong> anyone have a link on how wifi is going to work in breezy?
[09:49] <chong> like the goals?
[09:49] <jasoncohen> Jesse1, nvu is in hoary-extras btw
[09:50] <HermanDE> Gawd....   I used to live in the same *very small* town as James......
[09:50] <Jesse1> jasoncohen, ok i dont think that i have that in the sources list
[09:50] <HermanDE> er that should be Jamie....
[09:50] <luzbelito> how can i install wmv plugin for totem ???
[09:50] <tiglionabbit> luzbelito: get w32codecs
[09:51] <Jesse1> luzbelito, w32codecs will work unless windows media 10, then ur out of luck
[09:51] <jasoncohen> Jesse1, sorry- not extras. it's in backports
[09:51] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[09:51] <ubotu> somebody said sources was http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[09:51] <tiglionabbit> is that sousces listing correct?
[09:51] <tiglionabbit> it doesn't have extras in it
[09:51] <jasoncohen> Jesse1, you can just add a backport source, install nvu and then remove backports
[09:51] <tiglionabbit> what are the extras sources?
[09:52] <tiglionabbit> yes, it is in backports
[09:52] <Jesse1> yea
[09:52] <teroedni> what others editor besides gedit is there in ubuntu?
[09:52] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, an unofficial source done by the backports project. it has a lot of multimedia codecs which couldn't be added to hoary for legal reasons
[09:52] <tiglionabbit> teroedni: lots
[09:52] <chatmandoo> yes
[09:52] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, see http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[09:52] <chatmandoo> how o i use wpa in ubuntu live cd
[09:52] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: I know about backports
[09:52] <teroedni> i cant use gedit and need one thats work in command line
[09:52] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: I made the backports entry in ubotu
[09:52] <tiglionabbit> !backports
[09:52] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[09:53] <TerminX> lovely, now my /etc/modules is 4 lines (excluding comments)
[09:53] <TerminX> no more old 2.4 shit :)
[09:53] <teroedni> kinda looked me out from x server
[09:53] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, that sources list you showed has all official ubuntu packages available for hoary. so it doesn't include unofficial sources like backports or extras
[09:53] <teroedni> ?
[09:53] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: what's the repositories for extras?
[09:53] <teroedni> please
[09:54] <luzbelito> i i search w32codecs. take a look: root@lenin:/etc/apt # apt-cache search w32codecs
[09:54] <luzbelito> root@lenin:/etc/apt #
[09:54] <chatmandoo> how o i use wpa in ubuntu live cd
[09:54] <luzbelito> it dowsnt finds anything
[09:54] <tiglionabbit> teroedni: use nano
[09:54] <luzbelito> what is the problem ???
[09:54] <Mestapheles> daniels: linux multiseat-udeb/disable_multiseat=true gives me cd:2,linux: Unkown or corrupt filesytem.  Trying another burned CD.
[09:54] <daniels> Mestapheles: handy :)
[09:54] <tiglionabbit> luzbelito: you need to add a backports mirror to your repositories
[09:54] <teroedni> yeah:=)
[09:54] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[09:54] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:54] <tiglionabbit> !backports
[09:54] <ubotu> hmm... backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[09:54] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, as i said- it includes packages (mainly multimedia codecs) that couldn't be included in hoary for legal reasons like libdvdcss2 for encrypted DVD playback, w32codecs for divx,xvid, wmv, quicktime, lame and other stuff like acrobat reader
[09:55] <hondje> which acrobat?
[09:55] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, you can see the full list of extras here - http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-extras/
[09:55] <jasoncohen> hondje, 7.0
[09:55] <hondje> 5.x is exploitable :D
[09:55] <hondje> ah, sweet
[09:55] <jasoncohen> hondje, and the acroread-plugins + mozilla-acroread package
[09:55] <hondje> I use xpdf, but someone told me acrobat can be plugged into firefox
[09:55] <jasoncohen> so you get integration with firefox
[09:55] <hondje> that sounds sweet, I'll have to give that a spin
[09:55] <jasoncohen> that's the only reason i use it- otherwise evince is great
[09:56] <luzbelito> i don't know how to do that
[09:56] <MachineScrew> look at the ubuntugide.org
[09:56] <hyphenated> I prefer kpdf, personally. it's improved a lot since a few years ago when I switched to ggv :-) (xpdf was always too ugly for me)
[09:56] <jasoncohen> evince looks nice and is fast
[09:56] <hondje> can you search w/ kpdf yet?
[09:57] <MachineScrew> Acrobat 7 uses GNOME/GTK now
[09:57] <chatmandoo> how o i use wpa in ubuntu live cd
[09:57] <chatmandoo> jasoncohen, how do i use wpa in ubuntu live cd
[09:57] <tiglionabbit> MachineScrew: no
[09:57] <tiglionabbit> !ubuntuguide
[09:57] <ubotu> hmm... ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation.  Please search the wiki instead, http://wiki.ubuntu.com. Reasons not to advise people to use the guide are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[09:57] <jasoncohen> chatmandoo, it's really not worth it. wpa isn't that easy to setup
[09:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> weard how do i get it to install i selected the file
[09:59] <jasoncohen> chatmandoo, i can send you my configuration file which you can pretty easily edit for your SSID & wpa-psk key.
[09:59] <AV8> is it possible to do voice and video conference with ppl on msn using ubuntu
[10:00] <chatmandoo> i have the config file
[10:00] <chatmandoo> just wondering how do i use wpa supplicant in ubuntu
[10:00] <MachineScrew> Opps never knew that
[10:00] <chatmandoo> can i just execute wpasupplicant bin file and all of its parameters and itll be ok
[10:00] <chatmandoo> i dont have to install wpa anymore
[10:01] <jasoncohen> you don't have to install wpa?
[10:01] <jasoncohen> you need a wpa configuration file that's set up for your router
[10:01] <jasoncohen> the default configuration file is just an example
[10:01] <Mestapheles> is there a way to throw in a 'server' into the "linux multiseat-udeb/disable_multiseat=true"?  I think to do a server install I'll have to go in first with linux multiseat-udeb/disable_multiseat=true then backout of the d-i, and reboot this time with "server" at the prompt and pick off where d-r left off.
[10:02] <hyapadi> does anyone try wpa2 on ubuntu?
[10:03] <chatmandoo> ok guys ill wait for 5.10
[10:03] <teroedni> then im back thanksTiglionrabbit:)
[10:04] <tiglionabbit> h'lo again teroedni, what did I help you with again?
[10:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok um howcome it won't let me install my game?
[10:04] <teroedni> finding a editor i could use outside x
[10:04] <teroedni> :)
[10:04] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what game?  Is it a windows game?  Are you trying to emulate it?
[10:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes it's a windows game
[10:05] <teroedni> Thanks:)
[10:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just clicked on install and it won't let me continue
[10:06] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I don't have much experience with cedega, sorry
[10:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[10:07] <teroedni> what game is it Churc..
[10:07] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[10:07] <ubotu> sources is, like, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[10:07] <tiglionabbit> oh, I mean
[10:07] <tiglionabbit> ubotu tell luzbelito about sources
[10:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ragnarok
[10:08] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: oooo I don't have high hopes for that man
[10:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it a windows exe
[10:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> well it won't even let me install it >.<
[10:08] <tiglionabbit> not only is it a windows game, but it's an obscure Korean one that isn't legal for play in america
[10:09] <budluva> lol what game would that be?
[10:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> my ragnarok game
[10:09] <rootbeer> can anyone help out with adding a route?    The equiv. Windows command would be "route add x.x.x.x mask 255.255.255.0 y.y.y.y"   the examples for inet_route don't quite make sense to me...
[10:09] <teroedni> here something
[10:10] <teroedni> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-332515-highlight-ragnarok.html
[10:10] <teroedni> hope it helps
[10:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> actually it won't let me continue on any installs >.<
[10:12] <Evil> hello all :)
[10:13] <teroedni> maybe reinstall cedega
[10:14] <teroedni> reinstall often fix things Churc_of_ Foamy
[10:14] <RichardC> how do i isntall a theme for metacity?
[10:14] <teroedni> it nmay be that you miss some dll or something
[10:14] <tiglionabbit> ubotu tell luzbelito about sound
[10:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[10:16] <ogg> anyone knows how to search using the apt-get command in terminal
[10:16] <ogg> search for installable packages
[10:16] <hyphenated> ogg: apt-cvache
[10:16] <hyphenated> apt-cache even
[10:16] <pfox> anyone know where i can get a bootsplash package for hoary, please?
[10:16] <ogg> apt-cache <package> ?
[10:16] <ogg> like that?
[10:17] <tiglionabbit> ogg: apt-cache search <package>
[10:18] <hyphenated> ogg: nope.
[10:18] <tiglionabbit> er, apt-cache search <string>
[10:18] <ogg> thanks.
[10:19] <ogg> does konqueror takes up less rammemory?
[10:19] <ogg> than firefox
[10:19] <erchache> hi
[10:19] <erchache> has ubuntuamd64 channel?
[10:19] <RichardC> so, how do i install new metacity themes?
[10:24] <IceDC571> RichardC: you go to system > preferences > theme and drag whatever you downloaded into the window
[10:24] <IceDC571> RichardC: its simple drag and drop
[10:25] <IceDC571> is everyone dead?
[10:25] <corey> is inotify in hoary?
[10:25] <luzbelito> can anyone tell me how to use dvd shrink with Wine pls? snd private
[10:25] <luzbelito> if can
[10:25] <nekohayo> RichardC, yourhomedir/.themes ? or /usr/share/themes
[10:26] <nekohayo> corey, what's inotify?
[10:26] <corey> kernel patch
[10:26] <s0n1cm0nk3y> hey the guys that were helping rekr yesternight/morning did you guys figure out what the problem was?
[10:27] <IceDC571> luzbelito: take a look at http://hypeiv.flatsoda.com/archives/2005/06/dvd_shrink_in_l.html#more
[10:27] <nekohayo> corey, I only see dnotify, notifyme and a jabber plugin
[10:27] <nekohayo> (in synaptic)
[10:27] <corey> It wouldn't be in synapti
[10:27] <nekohayo> hmm sorry then I don't know
[10:27] <corey> it would be in the default kernel
[10:28] <_cory> does anybody know how to get ndiswrapper to work on a 64bit os?
[10:28] <s0n1cm0nk3y> um though i am a bit of a n00b, isnt jabber support in gaim, and you merely have to make a account for it, cuz i was using it a while ago while i was in linux
[10:28] <IceDC571> jabber support is in gaim
[10:28] <IceDC571> but thats not the issue here i think
[10:28] <nagapuspa> #jakarta
[10:28] <s0n1cm0nk3y> oh...
[10:28] <s0n1cm0nk3y> carry on then
[10:29] <s0n1cm0nk3y> hehe ^^
[10:30] <londonboi2k3> Morning guys, I want to convert wma to mp3, I have a script to do this, but is there any way to copy the wma files to another directory all at once without having to go through 100's of directories and copy them one by one?
[10:30] <IceDC571> londonboi2k3: have you tried using cp -rf?
[10:30] <teroedni> use flav thats better;)
[10:30] <teroedni> flac
[10:30] <londonboi2k3> what does the f mean?
[10:30] <IceDC571> you dont need to use it, it means force
[10:31] <londonboi2k3> ahh, well the thing is i dont want to copy the directories, just the files from the directories
[10:31] <erchache> what is grub boot command to install ubuntu without x?
[10:31] <londonboi2k3> so would cp -rf *.wma ~/wma work?
[10:32] <teroedni> erchache i think it is server
[10:32] <signbarn> The java J2EE 1.4 SDK says it's available for "Red Hat Enterprise Linux 2.1, 3.0" -- will it work with Ubuntu?
[10:32] <IceDC571> londonboi2k3: i dont know.. im new to linux too
[10:32] <londonboi2k3> ahh ok :)
[10:33] <IceDC571> how many wma's are we talkin?
[10:33] <robotgeek> londonboi:, what u need?
[10:33] <erchache> bye
[10:33] <londonboi2k3> 600 - 1000
[10:34] <londonboi2k3> all in hundrends of directories in my /data/music folder
[10:34] <IceDC571> yeah.. i was about to say use the search wizard in gnome, but thats quite a few to copy from a gui
[10:34] <londonboi2k3> robotgeek, I need to copy 100's of wma files from 100's of directories without copying them one by one
[10:35] <robotgeek> londonboi: so you have directories dir1,dir2 and so on and you want to copy wma's from them into one other directory?
[10:36] <londonboi2k3> robotgeek, yes, I also want to do this from the cmd line since i am using ssh to access the computer
[10:36] <londonboi2k3> IceDC571, Thanks for the suggestion, however i forgot to mention i use ssh to connect to the computer during the day :)
[10:36] <hkde1> hi
[10:37] <rich__> just installed ubuntu with gnome. how do I bind the windows keys so they start apps eg left windows key gives terminal?
[10:37] <hkde1> is any one using aMule with internationalization on, i.e. chinese?
[10:37] <IceDC571> londonboi2k3: there is cp --copy-contents
[10:37] <IceDC571> londonboi2k3: type cp --help and it explains it
[10:37] <robotgeek> londonboi,"cp -R <parent directory of wma's>/*.wma <path where u want to copy it>
[10:37] <hkde1> the chinese font isn't displayed correctly now. is there anything needs to be set?
[10:37] <IceDC571> or robotgeek's got it
[10:37] <robotgeek> IceDC571: dint know that
[10:38] <BeatYOu> how do i make ubuntu not go to the screensaver when i lock teh screen
[10:38] <BeatYOu> running it as a server the screensavers waste cpu cycles id rather have
[10:38] <londonboi2k3> robotgeek, I got it now, thanks, cp -rf /data/Music/*.wma ~/wma works perfect :)
[10:38] <mebaran151__> how would I stream to a hash
[10:38] <mebaran151__> like add more members
[10:39] <mebaran151__> to a one simple key
[10:39] <mebaran151__> or even just flatten
[10:39] <mebaran151__> sorry whoops wrong channel
[10:40] <robotgeek> londonboi, cool
[10:40] <Mestapheles> daniels: nothing is working.  Can I skip the multiseat part?
[10:43] <IceDC571> where will i find a girl who knows linux? hmm..
[10:44] <Poromies> haha
[10:44] <Poromies> they truly are rare ones to find, young padawan
[10:45] <IceDC571> too bad theres no linux people directory
[10:45] <Ribs> a LUG is as close as you'll get to that
[10:45] <Mestapheles> kubuntu-ppc has the same multiseat problem as ubuntu-ppc
[10:45] <Nermal> IceDC571, linuxcounter
[10:45] <Nermal> ?
[10:46] <IceDC571> i'm better off finding those who run apple/unix/freebsd
[10:46] <Nermal> or just someone who is nice ?
[10:46] <cyphase> IceDC571, where do you live
[10:46] <cyphase> my cousin uses linux..
[10:46] <cyphase> ;)
[10:46] <Nermal> I tend to go for personality before choice of operating system
[10:46] <IceDC571> sf, california
[10:46] <Nermal> call me odd
[10:46] <cyphase> lol
[10:47] <cyphase> well, i live in the bay area as well
[10:47] <cyphase> but she's in the UK
[10:47] <teroedni> lol
[10:47] <IceDC571> cyphase: what?? are you kidding me?
[10:47] <IceDC571> cyphase: where do you live?
[10:47] <cyphase> which one?
[10:47] <cyphase> lol
[10:47] <cyphase> near fairfield
[10:47] <IceDC571> thats neat
[10:48] <cyphase> maybe 30-60 minutes from SF, depending on traffic
[10:49] <IceDC571> yeah, for a second i thought i was the only one in the bay
[10:49] <cyphase> only what exactly?
[10:49] <IceDC571> in here that is
[10:49] <cyphase> oh
[10:50] <cyphase> IceDC571, you going to LinuxWorld?
[10:50] <pressure_man> how can i tell which graphics driver X is using?
[10:51] <IceDC571> cyphase: no idea.. when is it?
[10:51] <cyphase> August 8-11
[10:52] <IceDC571> yeah i'll probably be there
[10:52] <IceDC571> hopefully there will be girls my age too
[10:52] <cyphase> lol
[10:52] <cyphase> ok, this might be a stupid question, but are you a boy or girl?
[10:52] <cyphase> lol
[10:52] <veleno> why gpdf is not in hoary ?
[10:53] <IceDC571> i'm a guy... im only 17
[10:53] <IceDC571> what did that question get your hopes up? lol
[10:53] <ce_hiphop> aaaiii
[10:53] <cyphase> IceDC571, haha
[10:53] <cyphase> i'm a guy as well
[10:53] <Nermal> veleno, use evince ?
[10:53] <cyphase> lol
[10:53] <sam_> I suspect there arent many girls who are excited about going to linuxworld
[10:53] <cyphase> sam_, why not?
[10:54] <cyphase> in your opinion anyway
[10:54] <cyphase> lol
[10:54] <cyphase> IYHO
[10:54] <IceDC571> just watch me, i
[10:54] <IceDC571> *i'll get a girl at linuxworld and come back here with her
[10:54] <veleno> Nermal: what is 'evince' ?
[10:54] <IceDC571> !info evince
[10:54] <ubotu> evince: (Document (postscript, pdf) viewer), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.1.9-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 189 kB, Installed size: 788 kB
[10:54] <cyphase> IceDC571, that would be interesting to see
[10:55] <IceDC571> wow that sure is enough info
[10:55] <sam_> cyphase, if you have to ask, you'll never know
[10:55] <cyphase> sam_, that's why i said in your opinion
[10:55] <cyphase> obviously women aren't attracted to computers as much as guys
[10:56] <cyphase> there's no comparision
[10:56] <rich__> how do I setup custom keyboard shortcuts in gnome? eg to start an app
[10:56] <cyphase> not that there's anything wrong with that :)
[10:56] <cyphase> and more power to you women in here ;)
[10:57] <IceDC571> lets see, when is the release date of breezy?
[10:57] <cyphase> october
[10:57] <cyphase> no date yet AFAIK
[10:57] <peterretief> about half the people i know are women
[10:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wonders if the gaming capabilitys in his ubuntu have been botched >.<
[10:58] <cyphase> most guys are idiots
[10:58] <IceDC571> all the people i know are women except in here
[10:58] <cyphase> that's why most of my friends are women
[10:58] <cyphase> lol
[10:58] <IceDC571> yet i dont have one for myself yet
[10:59] <cyphase> IceDC571, anyone in mind?
[10:59] <cyphase> lol
[10:59] <unome> cant live with them, cant live without'em
[10:59] <cyphase> unome, who are you talking about, parents?
[10:59] <cyphase> ;)
[10:59] <IceDC571> yeah i have a couple in mind
[10:59] <unome> heh
[10:59] <IceDC571> everytime i fall in love with a girl, she turns out to be bisexual
[10:59] <cyphase> lol
[11:00] <IceDC571> i just thought that was interesting
[11:00] <cyphase> :D
[11:00] <acid2> where do I put xine dll plugins?
[11:00] <cyphase> i swear, if my cousin wasn't my cousin..
[11:00] <cyphase> lol
[11:00] <IceDC571> acid2: for what?
[11:01] <IceDC571> cyphase: have you gotten "close" to your cousin? haha
[11:01] <unome> ~.xine/plugins I guess
[11:01] <cyphase> we've never even met in person
[11:01] <acid2> IceDC571, hmm? I have a video that needs wmvdmod.dll, and I have that dll now
[11:01] <cyphase> just through IM
[11:01] <acid2> but dunno where it goes
[11:01] <cyphase> lol
[11:01] <cyphase> and i know her better then anyone i've ever known
[11:01] <Nermal> acid2, /usr/lib/win32 ?
[11:01] <siimo> hi can anyone tell me how to install a media player to play most of the media formats like wmv avi divx and xvid
[11:01] <cyphase> if i didn't know any better, i'd say we were twins
[11:01] <siimo> im running Warty
[11:02] <acid2> Nermal, well, that directory doesnt exist... but I could create it
[11:02] <cyphase> siimo, then upgrade
[11:02] <cyphase> :)
[11:02] <Nermal> siimo, install mplayer or xine, or totem-xine and w32codecs
[11:02] <IceDC571> it should be /usr/lib/win32, acid
[11:02] <acid2> ah, ok
[11:02] <cyphase> IceDC571, what do you mean by close?
[11:02] <IceDC571> cyphase: oh nevermind, you havent met i guess
[11:03] <siimo> Nermal, totem-xine needs totem or does it play on its own
[11:03] <cyphase> lol
[11:03] <cyphase> IceDC571, we haven't even been chatting for a year
[11:03] <cyphase> it's weird..
[11:03] <acid2> hmmm, I put the dll in /usr/lib/win32 but its still saying it cant load it..
[11:03] <acid2> darn
[11:03] <siimo> Nermal,  and i get this error : Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[11:04] <siimo> cyphase, upgrade whole OS just to play a video?
[11:04] <IceDC571> cyphase: yeah my best girl friends were the ones i chatted with online
[11:04] <siimo> thats crazy
[11:04] <cyphase> siimo, no, not just for video
[11:04] <cyphase> lol
[11:04] <IceDC571> long distance relationships online.. mmm...
[11:04] <cyphase> for the entire thing
[11:04] <siimo> i only want it for the video
[11:04] <cyphase> IceDC571, the 2 main women in my life..
[11:04] <Nermal> I have short distance relationships, via my loopback interface
[11:04] <cyphase> my cousin..
[11:05] <cyphase> and someone else
[11:05] <cyphase> lol
[11:05] <cyphase> Nermal, lol
[11:05] <cyphase> lol
[11:05] <cyphase> ;)
[11:05] <nomike> hi
[11:05] <cyphase> 3 "lol"s in a row
[11:05] <cyphase> hey nomike
[11:05] <IceDC571> what do you save conversations?
[11:06] <cyphase> IceDC571, yea, i log all my IM chats
[11:06] <cyphase> not for any particular reason..
[11:06] <nomike> i want to use ubuntu as a webserver with vhcs. The VHCS-Install-Manual says I need these Packages: http://vhcs.net/new/modules/phpwiki/index.php/Installation  but a lot of them are not available using apt-get. Where do I get them?
[11:06] <IceDC571> omg i used to copy and paste our conversations all the time.. and some girl would be like wow you're creepy.. stop saving my converstions with you!
[11:06] <cyphase> nomike, it was a pain when i tried it
[11:06] <IceDC571> and i'd be like noo its um.. whats another word for logged
[11:06] <nomike> Is it a good idea to include the debian sarge repository?
[11:07] <nomike> (if this is possible)
[11:07] <IceDC571> my computer is stupid, it saves all our conversations automatically.. and shes like sure.. im never talking to you again lol
[11:07] <siimo> are there nerim.net mirrors
[11:07] <cyphase> lol
[11:07] <Nermal> nomike, no
[11:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> poll: do you think women have an easyer time with linux then men?
[11:08] <nomike> hmm...so I betteruse debian for my server?
[11:08] <siimo> Nermal, is totem-xine a GUI media player
[11:08] <pressure_man> is it possible to enable 32 bit color in x.org?
[11:08] <cyphase> nomike, ubuntu is a good server OS
[11:08] <Nermal> siimo, erm.. totem is.. totem-xine is the backend iirc
[11:08] <cyphase> i have my server on it..
[11:08] <Nermal> so. yes ?
[11:08] <cyphase> it hasn't gone down once
[11:08] <cyphase> it's been on ever since the first boot up
[11:08] <cyphase> lol
[11:09] <siimo> does the totem that comes with ubuntu support adding w32codes
[11:09] <nomike> cyphase: so where do I get, for example, proftpd-mysql?
[11:09] <pressure_man> nomike: try the universe repository
[11:09] <Nermal> siimo, I would read ubuntuguide.org
[11:09] <cyphase> nomike, universe/multiverse probably
[11:09] <Nermal> !info proftpd-mysql
[11:09] <ubotu> proftpd-mysql: (Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon (with SQL support)), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1.2.10-8 (hoary), Packaged size: 369 kB, Installed size: 864 kB
[11:10] <cyphase> universe then
[11:10] <pressure_man> has anyone successfully got frequency scaling working on centrino notebooks?
[11:11] <cyphase> how do you format a USB drive in ubuntu?
[11:11] <IceDC571> cyphase: um... gparted?
[11:11] <samuelk> how do i mount a iso file
[11:12] <cyphase> thanx IceDC571
[11:13] <IceDC571> some girl on my buddylist is like "i'm such a Qt!" and im like wow thats a linux term
[11:13] <cyphase> lol
[11:14] <DavidLeeRoth> Qtparted! W00 w00
[11:14] <DavidLeeRoth> qtpart her legs
[11:14] <Ribs> lol
[11:14] <siimo> anyone here know how to use totem?
[11:15] <siimo> it plays all my videos but i only hear sound and screen stays blue
[11:15] <DavidLeeRoth> thats the van halen in me talkin' (bout love)
[11:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok kde has pissed me off >.<
[11:15] <DavidLeeRoth> use a terminal
[11:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how to uninstall it?
[11:15] <DavidLeeRoth> apt-get remove kde
[11:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thank you
[11:15] <Nermal> samuelk, mount -t iso9660 -o loopback /path/to/iso /mountpoint
[11:15] <DavidLeeRoth> np
[11:16] <hmrocha> Hello
[11:16] <samuelk> nermal found it :D
[11:16] <hmrocha> How can I rip cd's to mp3?
[11:16] <Nermal> hmrocha, grip ?
[11:16] <Nermal> grip has cddb support too
[11:16] <hmrocha> Sound Juicer only supports Vorbis and Flac
[11:16] <hmrocha> Vorbis is great because it's an open format, but my ipod doesn't understand the format
[11:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> says it coulden't find kde or kde desktop
[11:17] <IceDC571> yeah i rip all my cds to flac and use foobar to convert to mp3s
[11:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i want that shit offa my box
[11:17] <IceDC571> lol ChurcH_of_FoamY
[11:17] <IceDC571> lets see
[11:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i made a mistake installing it >.<
[11:17] <ce_hiphop> aaaiii
[11:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and now have gotten sick of it
[11:18] <ce_hiphop> ai
[11:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and want it to go ""poof"
[11:18] <ce_hiphop> yi
[11:18] <ce_hiphop> ik
[11:18] <IceDC571> ChurcH_of_FoamY: aptitude purge kde
[11:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[11:18] <IceDC571> that will hopefully get rid of kde and all of its configuration files
[11:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thank you
[11:19] <cbreathe> Question: How do I convince the screen resolution preferences dialog that 85 Hz is an acceptable refresh rate?
[11:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm that was quick....suspicously quick O_o
[11:20] <nomike> universe is cool
[11:20] <nomike> *g*
[11:20] <IceDC571> ChurcH_of_FoamY: actually it might be aptitude purge kdebase
[11:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k will try
[11:21] <IceDC571> i'm not used to removing kde.. its a real bitch to get rid of
[11:21] <IceDC571> speaking of bitches, what happened to BitchX?
[11:21] <IceDC571> it was popular back when i used mandrake
[11:21] <nightswim> yes
[11:21] <Arnia> !!!!
[11:21] <ubotu> I don't know, Arnia
[11:21] <nightswim> but it has been obsoleted by irssi
[11:21] <cbreathe> IceDC571, I like BitchX. ^^
[11:21] <Arnia> news.bbc.co.uk
[11:21] <Arnia> Umm... it is scary
[11:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> are there any known problems with point2play and ubuntu?
[11:22] <nomed> hi
[11:22] <Arnia> Bus has exploded in London
[11:22] <nomed> i'm trying to build a deb package from source
[11:23] <Arnia> Tube network shut down [all off the BBC News 24 ticker] 
[11:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone seen kapming_kaiser here tonight/day respectivly
[11:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i am never using kde again >.<
[11:24] <IceDC571> Arnia: wow that is scary
[11:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> to tweakable and to much to go wrong
[11:25] <cbreathe> ChurcH_of_FoamY, What do you prefer?
[11:25] <Arnia> IceDC571: Explosions in the underground, Russell Square, Oldgate so far
[11:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> used to be kde now it's just gnome
[11:26] <Nermal> Arnia, no bus explosion
[11:26] <IceDC571> lol.. walt disney uses gnome to create their animated movies now
[11:26] <Arnia> 3 buses in central london now
[11:26] <Arnia> (BBC News 24 breaking reports)
[11:26] <Nermal> Arnia, I'm watching the ticker too
[11:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> WOW thats awsome
[11:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> whats going on?
[11:27] <Arnia> Several explosions in London
[11:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_O
[11:28] <DavidLeeRoth> Whats crackin yall?
[11:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> do they know whats goin on yet?
[11:29] <Arnia> Nope
[11:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm trying to find out on cnn.com
[11:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but don't see anything as of yet
[11:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> <---lives in the ewww us
[11:29] <Arnia> 3 bus explosions, several tube explosions from what I can tell
[11:30] <papsmurf> can anyone help me out with this small problem?... I'm trying to associate the mp3 mime type to open with Beep Media Player, but when trying to open multiple files at once, it will only load one.  If I use the -e argument, it will add to the playlist but not clear whats currently there.  So, I would like, when opening multiple files at once, to clear the playlist and add all selected files.
[11:30] <papsmurf> Anyone have an idea how to do this?
[11:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> OMG
[11:30] <DavidLeeRoth> they are talkin about it on cnn
[11:30] <Proteque> is it any okay softphone using gtk that supports sip?
[11:30] <Proteque> or do I have to use kphone?
[11:30] <Nermal> bgeek: fuck me
[11:30] <Nermal> bgeek: i'm hearing SAS deployed
[11:30] <Nermal> :D
[11:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is it on there website yet?
[11:30] <DavidLeeRoth> apt-get cnn
[11:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> apt-get cnn O_O i was actually dumb enough to try that lol
[11:32] <luzbelito> hi, i cant download anything with bit torrent and qtorrent.maybe ports closed? pls help
[11:32] <IceDC571> luzbelito: use firestarter
[11:33] <luzbelito> ICe: How ????
[11:34] <nalioth_zZz> luzbelito: read this http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[11:36] <Arnia> Bus incidents apparently followed tube incidents (Sky News)
[11:36] <Arnia> Marylebone too now
[11:36] <Arnia> (ITN News)
[11:39] <ritalin> Ich mchte Aufklrung 17, aber nicht sicheres versuchen, wenn es mit diesem xorg funktioniert?
[11:39] <ritalin> Kann jemand mir helfen?
[11:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can i install a .tar.gz file?
[11:48] <shnazzle> aloha folks
[11:49] <nalioth_zZz> ChurcH_of_FoamY: usually you install what is INSIDE a tar.gz
[11:49] <shnazzle> anybody with experience making their ubuntu ext3 install LFS?
[11:49] <nalioth_zZz> ChurcH_of_FoamY: there is usually a readme
[11:49] <vjacob> ey! anyone here who can recommend an alternative to an iPod/iRiver mp3 player?
[11:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok got it
[11:49] <shnazzle> I'm sicl of this 2GB file size limit
[11:50] <nalioth_zZz> shnazzle: any linux can do LFS, the inst on lfs.org are pretty complete
[11:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is there something speacal i have to do to ubuntu to get it to run point2play?
[11:51] <shnazzle> nalioth : lfs.org? :-)   "Libertarian Futurist Society"
[11:51] <prego> yesterday already asked this, but let's try it again :-P. I'm going to buy a new computer and I have to choose between AGP or pci-express Nvidia card. pci-express seems to be better but will I have problems installing hoary?
[11:52] <rob^> http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[11:52] <jean-jacques> i've just added to /etc/apt/sources.list a reference to sid packages, is it dangerous to update my ubuntu hoary with this line ?
[11:52] <rob^> sorry, that was mainly aimed at ChurcH_of_FoamY
[11:52] <nalioth_zZz> prego: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SupportedHardware
[11:52] <rob^> jean-jacques, can be
[11:52] <nalioth_zZz> jean-jacques: it is dangerous to mix debian and ubuntu packages
[11:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> rob^ thanx man this may help out quite a bit
[11:53] <rob^> np
[11:53] <nalioth_zZz> ChurcH_of_FoamY: don't you ever sleep?
[11:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> sometimes
[11:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> when the voices in my head tell me to
[11:54] <nalioth_zZz> i have an excuse, i'm sleep-typing
[11:54] <rob^> once he has winex going he might not
[11:54] <luzbelito> anyone know a good web for download wallpapers ???
[11:54] <nalioth_zZz> qemu
[11:54] <nalioth_zZz> luzbelito: www.deviantart.com
[11:55] <rob^> luzbelito, http://www.gnome-look.org/
[11:55] <luzbelito> thanks nalioth and rob
[11:55] <nalioth_zZz> luzbelito: www.kde-look.org
[11:55] <nalioth_zZz> luzbelito: wallpapers.com
[11:55] <luzbelito> y use gnome
[11:55] <luzbelito> i like very much deviant !!! any similar?
[11:55] <rob^> y not?
[11:55] <nalioth_zZz> luzbelito: jpgs are jpgs
[11:56] <luzbelito> yeah, that's true nalioth
[11:56] <luzbelito> sorry me
[11:56] <nalioth_zZz> luzbelito: i think deviantart is in a class  by itself
[11:56] <rob^> its quite good
[11:57] <nalioth_zZz> luzbelito: not only does deviantart have wallpapers, they have gnome-themes, icon packs, and much more
[11:57] <luzbelito> how can i configure gdesklets starts at boot ?????
[11:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> dude use gkrellm it works better
[11:58] <nalioth_zZz> luzbelito: system > preferences > session manager
[11:58] <prego> nalioth_zZz, nothing there about pciexpress :-((
[11:58] <prego> anyone using pciexpress card here??
[11:59] <nalioth_zZz> prego: you will be fine, just don't expect stellar SLI performance (closed source driver)
[11:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so how's the london thingy going have they found anything new
[11:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> <---dosen't have a tv
[11:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but has cable >.<
[12:00] <prego> nalioth_zZz, SLI?
[12:00] <luzbelito> how can i configure a script for launch adsl connection?
[12:01] <luzbelito> i use sagem 800, so i must do eaglectrl -d and 30 seg later startadsl
[12:01] <nalioth_zZz> prego: scan line interface (having 2 pciX nvidia cards feeding ONE monitor
[12:02] <nalioth_zZz> prego: the driver is nvidia closed source
[12:02] <prego> nalioth_zZz, so it will work afterall ;-) thanks for your help. Don't pretend to do heavy things but if it costs amlost same money I prefer latest technology if runs under ubuntu...
[12:03] <prego> nalioth_zZz, I've been using nvidia drivers for long... but didn't know about pciexpress issues if any...
[12:03] <luzbelito> how can i configure a script for launch adsl connection?
[12:03] <prego> luzbelito, I tried to do that and I didn't success -((
[12:03] <luzbelito> prego: uuuuu, what happen?
[12:04] <prego> luzbelito, the modem didn't start as I expected I don't know...
[12:05] <Hajuu> Hey.. I just installed windows last night ontop of my existing ubuntu install so I could play some games... But the windows XP boot loader isn't giving me an option to boot to linux instead of windows.. How can I make grub my default boot loader instead?
[12:05] <nalioth_zZz> prego: if all else fails, you can use the VESA driver til nvidia drivers catch up
[12:05] <prego> nalioth_zZz, OK thank-you very much. I was scared that the pci-express wouldn't work at all
[12:06] <nalioth_zZz> Hajuu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[12:06] <heatxsink> hello all
[12:06] <nalioth_zZz> Hajuu: windows hates linux, always install windows first in a dual boot environment
[12:06] <heatxsink> sorry for the weird question but how do I get the .config for my kernel in ubuntu?
[12:07] <nightswim> /boot/config-yourkernel
[12:07] <nomed> do you know an icon theme that include an iconrc file .. ?
[12:07] <heatxsink> nightswim, so I just cp htat to .config?
[12:07] <nomike> I need the package libperl5.6 (at least vhcs manual tells me I need it). but apt-get doesn't seem to know it (universe repo) Where do I get it, or is it just named different?
[12:07] <nightswim> heatxsink: yes
[12:08] <nomike> heatsink: /proc/config.gz conatins the config of the actual runing kernel, and this is common on all linux 2.6 systems
[12:08] <heatxsink> ahh
[12:09] <heatxsink> nightswim, I guess I don't have the source tree that was for my kernel
[12:09] <heatxsink> I'm trying to compile the wlan-ng drivers for a wireless card of mine
[12:10] <heatxsink> nightswim, any idea how I can get a copy of the kernel tree for 2.6.10-5-686
[12:10] <heatxsink> nomike, try multiverse?
[12:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> have a freind telling me about the explosions in london in teamspeak
[12:12] <djp> it appears that my city is under some kind of attack...
[12:12] <dom__> hello all
[12:13] <dom__> just booted ubuntu for first time
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> wow, all the programs I've installed for ubuntu still hasn't broken 4 gigs
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> is the same for you?  It's still 3.2 gigs
[12:13] <dom__> dunno
[12:13] <dom__> i have a question though...
[12:13] <jo> hi i have cpu:400mhz ram:64mb graph:8mb hdd:10gb and i would like to install ubuntu ,but i don't know if my comp is to slow.how do you think ?maybe another distribution?i will use it only for openofice,
[12:14] <tiglionabbit> well, du -sh / and then subtract du -sh /home
[12:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> 8 victims for shure :(
[12:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> damn
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> er, not /..  I mean df -h
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> subtract du -sh /home from df -h /
[12:15] <dom__> i've setup a dual boot w/ ubuntu and winxp.  how can i setup the partitions so that i can see the files between OS's
[12:15] <nightswim> dom__: use fat32
[12:16] <dom__> i am, on both partitions
[12:16] <tiglionabbit> dom__: you need to add them to your fstab
[12:16] <tiglionabbit> dom__: first off, sudo fdisk -l to see what devices you've got
[12:16] <Rydekull> http://hdaps.sf.net :)
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> dom__: then test mount them with the mount command, to empty directories
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> dom__: then if that all works out peachy, add lines to fstab in the order in which you want it to mount them
[12:17] <dom__> /dev/sda1   *           1        6179    49632786    7  HPFS/NTFS
[12:17] <dom__> /dev/sda2            6180        9851    29495340   83  Linux
[12:17] <dom__> /dev/sda3            9852       10011     1285200    5  Extended
[12:17] <dom__> /dev/sda5            9852       10011     1285168+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> dom__: you don't have to tell us.  Try and figure this out
[12:17] <dom__> alright
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> wait, didn't you say you're using fat32?
[12:18] <dom__> well i think my partitions are a little funky right now
[12:18] <dom__> well
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> if you were, those should have come up as vfat
[12:18] <dom__> i originally had NTFS on my XP install.  when i wanted to use Ubuntu i knew linux can't do NTFS, so i used Partition Magic to convert the partition and to make a new partition for Ubuntu
[12:19] <Hajuu> Hey.. I just installed windows last night ontop of my existing ubuntu install so I could play some games... But the windows XP boot loader isn't giving me an option to boot to linux instead of windows.. How can I make grub my default boot loader instead?
[12:19] <cyphase> European Software Patent Bill Thrown Out -> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4655955.stm
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> !grub
[12:19] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> hmm, where's the fixgrubhowto
[12:19] <bionic> when making the kernel with make kpkg, where does the .deb file store? I cant find it in the current dir, and not in /usr/src/ .. anyone please?
[12:19] <umar> anyone can tell me how to setup lirc in ubuntu
[12:20] <umar> i need some help
[12:20] <Hajuu> Is that what I need, tiglionabbit?
[12:20] <bionic> umar, sudo apt-get install lirc ?
[12:20] <dom__> well, despite the fact that i'm apprently not using fat32 on my xp partition, when i'm in windows, i can't see the linux partition
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> Hajuu: I am not 100% sure, but I believe you can simply boot from your ubuntu CD and do a "repair"
[12:20] <Hajuu> cause I gotta get off windows heh.. it's poison.
[12:21] <Hajuu> "repair" eh?
[12:21] <Hajuu> My ubuntu install cd, or my live cd?
[12:21] <tiglionabbit> Hajuu: yes.  You should ask someone about this, and read around though
[12:21] <tiglionabbit> install
[12:21] <tiglionabbit> live cd there is a way too
[12:21] <umar> package lirc has no installation candidate
[12:21] <Hajuu> hmmm
[12:21] <umar> this is wat i m getting
[12:21] <Hajuu> Give it a go
[12:22] <tiglionabbit> Hajuu: urk, I'm giving you very flakey advice here
[12:22] <bionic> umar, update your sources.list
[12:22] <tiglionabbit> Hajuu: so don't trust me.  Read up first.  I can't find the old wiki entries that used to be there
[12:23] <tiglionabbit> Oh I found it!
[12:23] <tiglionabbit> windows
[12:23] <tiglionabbit> oops
[12:23] <tiglionabbit> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[12:23] <rob^> is there gnome themes on deviantart.com?
[12:23] <umar> this is wat i m getting with apt-get update  Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[12:24] <umar> i tried many times
[12:24] <bionic> umar, holdon
[12:24] <tiglionabbit> Hajuu: I believe this is the proper method...  it's wiki-ized, so, good luck
[12:24] <umar> ok
[12:24] <umar> i m waiting
[12:24] <luzbelito> umar: show me in private your sources.list
[12:25] <umar> ok
[12:25] <Hajuu> hehe cheers, tiglionabbit
[12:25] <Hajuu> looks good
[12:25] <tiglionabbit> hope it works for ya
[12:26] <luzbelito> umar: copy and paste in irc
[12:26] <luzbelito> private msg pls
[12:26] <umar> ok
[12:26] <bionic> umar, http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories , dont forget to sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get install lirc
[12:27] <umar> i already replaced
[12:28] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[12:28] <ubotu> well, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:28] <umar> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[12:28] <umar> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network
[12:28] <umar> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[12:28] <umar> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[12:28] <umar> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch major bug fix updates produced
[12:28] <umar> ## after the final release of the distribution.
[12:28] <umar> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[12:28] <goldfish> .....
[12:28] <umar> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[12:29] <zeedo> lol
[12:29] <umar> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[12:29] <goldfish> .....
[12:29] <umar> ## repository.
[12:29] <umar> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[12:29] <goldfish> Ffs.
[12:29] <umar> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[12:29] <umar> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> umar, do not paste here
[12:29] <umar> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[12:29] <umar> ## team.
[12:29] <umar> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[12:29] <umar> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[12:29] <umar> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[12:29] <umar> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[12:29] <umar> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[12:29] <umar> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[12:29] <umar> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[12:29] <Hajuu> Good god.
[12:29] <umar> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> ='{
[12:29] <umar> ## Backports
[12:29] <umar> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:29] <umar> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[12:29] <thenuke> nice one :)
[12:29] <umar> this is my source list
[12:29] <Hajuu> haha
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> umar: never do that.  Use a pastebin
[12:29] <zeedo> umar: yeh, no kidding
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> !pastebin
[12:29] <ubotu> hmm... pastebin is extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.com or #flood they get busy look before you leap/paste..
[12:29] <thenuke> umar: yes we ALL are very interested about that ;D
[12:30] <tiglionabbit> ubotu forget pastebin
[12:30] <ubotu> i forgot pastebin, tiglionabbit
[12:30] <tiglionabbit> ubotu pastebin is http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.com or #flood
[12:30] <ubotu> okay, tiglionabbit
[12:31] <nomike> how do I grant a user to su - to root?
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> !sudo
[12:31] <ubotu> it has been said that sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:31] <nomike> (there is no group wheel ?!?)
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> nomike: what?
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> nomike: system -> admin -> users and groups
[12:31] <mjr> nomike, add him to /etc/sudoers and he can sudo to root
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> nomike: just make them an admin user, and they will be able to use sudo
[12:31] <LAS> UTKU.O
[12:31] <rob^> anyone know if theres a "gnome" theme category in deviantart?
[12:32] <mjr> nomike, nobody can su - to root by default, since root doesn't have a password
[12:32] <nomike> i don't want to sudo, i just want to su
[12:32] <tiglionabbit> nomike: then sudo su
[12:32] <LAS> ASTAQ ELLUNE
[12:32] <mjr> then just give root a password
[12:32] <tiglionabbit> nomike: sudo -s is the same thing as su
[12:32] <nomike> aha
[12:32] <mjr> and what tiglionabbit said
[12:32] <tiglionabbit> nomike: and so is sudo su
[12:33] <tiglionabbit> only they both use your user password, rather than a root one
[12:33] <prego> tiglionabbit, what about "sudo bash"? would it be the same?
[12:33] <tiglionabbit> prego: sure, but that'll open a second instance of bash
[12:33] <tiglionabbit> prego: unnecessary
[12:33] <tiglionabbit> or does sudo -s do that too?
[12:33] <xophEr> Hi! I installed an external eth0 driver, how can I get eth0 to be 'ifupped' automatically?
[12:34] <tiglionabbit> hmm, seems pretty similar, you may be right, prego
[12:35] <feedback> hello... I just upgraded to amd64, is there a way to upgrade the whole system without reinstalling?
[12:36] <mjr> feedback, not a very clean one
[12:36] <feedback> mjr: whatever :) that's fine
[12:36] <feedback> i have NO hd's to backup my data to
[12:37] <mjr> I'd just recommend reinstalling after deleting the stuff that you don't need from the disk
[12:37] <feedback> i'd rather upgrade 34987362498 packages than backup'ing them and reinstalling :)
[12:37] <mjr> eg. delete everything but /home, and install on the same partition without initializing it
[12:37] <feedback> uhm.
[12:37] <jeroen_> putting /home in a separate partition is better
[12:38] <feedback> there should be a different way
[12:38] <feedback> jeroen_: it is, but i have no way to do this ;)
[12:38] <tiglionabbit> say guys, have any of you exceeded 4 gigs in root yet?
[12:38] <mjr> jeroen_, that's just unflexible; it's not so much of a bother to do what I said that it'd warrant partitioning, imao
[12:39] <mjr> especially considering that you're not likely to switch architectures that often
[12:39] <tiglionabbit> architectures?  How about OSs?
[12:40] <mjr> you doing that often then? ;)
[12:40] <mjr> I don't think it's very usual
[12:40] <feedback> mjr: i'm used to using oly one partition :)
[12:40] <tiglionabbit> mjr: well, I was planning on adding gentoo to this, alongside ubuntu.  Maybe fedora as well
[12:40] <jeroen_> tiglionabbit, not above 4 gig in /, with separate /home
[12:40] <mjr> and, nevertheless, still that "delete everything except home dirs" works just fine
[12:40] <feedback> mjr: is that the ONLY way?
[12:40] <LAS> OIN                                           NMJ<YTHGFFFFFDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[12:41] <tiglionabbit> thing is though, I expected my installs to take more space.  I've been giving root 10 gigs, but that's way too much
[12:41] <feedback> there should be a way to "trick" apt
[12:41] <mjr> feedback, probably not the only way, but I'd say it's the hellaeasiest way
[12:41] <tiglionabbit> oh I know
[12:42] <tiglionabbit> what if I ch..   hmm, might not be much space left over, but what do you think would be my fate if I chopped this 10 gig partition in half, and stuck gentoo on the second 5 gigs, with my home directory on a separate 10 gig partition?
[12:43] <mjr> feedback, butbutbut
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> trick apt into what?  chroot?
[12:43] <jeroen_> ubotu, !help
[12:43] <ubotu> I don't know, jeroen_
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> !help
[12:43] <LokeDK> Tried to add a kde.desktop to /usr/share/xsessions but it doesn't appear in gdm?
[12:44] <jeroen_> ubotu, !instructions
[12:44] <ubotu> jeroen_: I give up, what is it?
[12:44] <mjr> feedback, you might be able to get away with installing the amd64 version in a subdirectory with debootstrap, and then moving the directories generated there to replace the ones at root
[12:44] <feedback> mjr: i'd have to download the iso
[12:44] <tiglionabbit> where can I find grub
[12:44] <feedback> mhmh i'll do that
[12:44] <feedback> mjr: haha
[12:44] <tiglionabbit> darn, ubotu doesn't live up to its explanation
[12:44] <feedback> i just tried to dpkg the apt amd64 version
[12:44] <feedback> and...
[12:44] <feedback> marco@pride ~ $ apt-get
[12:44] <feedback> bash: /usr/bin/apt-get: cannot execute binary file
[12:44] <prego> is sata really faster than ide?
[12:45] <tiglionabbit> LokeDK: whatchoo doin?  If you want KDE, use kubuntu-desktop
[12:45] <LokeDK> tiglionabbit, isn't it enough with just apt-get install kde? there was a lot of packages
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> LokeDK: kubuntu-desktop has many less packages
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> shoulda got kubuntu =P
[12:46] <LokeDK> tiglionabbit, if I try that it says
[12:46] <LokeDK> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:46] <LokeDK>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: konversation but it is not going to be installed
[12:46] <LokeDK> E: Broken packages
[12:46] <LokeDK> [loke@wombat ~] $
[12:47] <LokeDK> and something more.. don't wanna spam
[12:47] <jeroen_> LokeDK, backports
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> LokeDK: are your sources correct?
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> !backports
[12:47] <ubotu> I guess backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[12:47] <ubotu> hmm... sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:47] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[12:47] <ubotu> methinks repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:47] <LokeDK> yes I have backports
[12:47] <aleksi> how do I chech wich ssh user have loggen in?
[12:47] <juan> esta ivan por ahio?
[12:48] <tiglionabbit> aleksi: users
[12:48] <ivoks> anyone has exp with rt2500?
[12:48] <tiglionabbit> aleksi: for more info, use w
[12:48] <tiglionabbit> or who
[12:48] <aleksi> ivoks: I have
[12:48] <tiglionabbit> or last
[12:48] <aleksi> ivoks: there is good howto about installation in ubuntu wiki
[12:49] <tiglionabbit> aleksi: got all of those?  users who w last.  To see what they're doing, ps -u theirname
[12:49] <tiglionabbit> !apt
[12:49] <ubotu> I guess apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[12:49] <tiglionabbit> !synaptic
[12:49] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[12:49] <ivoks> aleksi: i know, thanks
[12:50] <tiglionabbit> aleksi: those commands help?
[12:51] <jtan325__> what's the easiest way to do remote desktop from a linux to linux machine
[12:51] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: use vcnviewer, or places -> connect to server
[12:51] <tiglionabbit> I mean vncviewer
[12:51] <jtan325__> right. but what services does the "server" computer need to run?
[12:51] <aleksi> tiglionabbit: thanks
[12:52] <tiglionabbit> you can set it up to serve for vncviewer in system -> prefs -> remote desktop
[12:52] <jtan325__> i can't seem to connect to my work computer even though i've enabled the remote desktop preferences to be pretty lax
[12:52] <jtan325__> do i need to pass in any arguments about the display or something
[12:53] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: got one serving and the other logging in to the correct url?
[12:53] <jtan325__> i have no idea what "localhost:0" means
[12:53] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: that may be your problem right there
[12:53] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: that means yourself, your own computer
[12:53] <jeroen_> jtan325__, server localhost, port 0 I think
[12:53] <LAS> goina.etc
[12:53] <jtan325__> ok
[12:54] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: you'll need to make sure you're routed properly at work, and get a proper IP address.  You can get a dns for it at http://dyndns.org
[12:54] <jtan325__> so what would i need to do as the command line to connect to my work computer, if i know it's IP address
[12:54] <jtan325__> and if i have enabled others to view/control its desktop
[12:54] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: just type vncviewer and then the IP or DNS
[12:54] <LAS> goina/etc//cokins //con
[12:54] <jtan325__> and i have set the option that I do NOT need to ask for confirmation
[12:55] <jtan325__> "ConnectToTcPAddr: no route to host"
[12:55] <jtan325__> how do make sure "i am properly routed"
[12:55] <LAS> goina/etc//cokins//com
[12:56] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: hmm...
[12:56] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: your work probably has a router that does not forward ports to you specifically...
[12:56] <LokeDK> http://pastebin.com/308844 this is what i get if I try to install kubuntu-desktop
[12:56] <PDani> hi
[12:57] <LAS> vegas arraiking  aniz //|
[12:57] <PDani> how can i resize a window, or put it to an other workspace from commandline?
[12:57] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: say ifconfig on your work computer, and see if it reports your IP address as something starting with 192.168 or 255.255.  If it does, chances are that is an internal IP address, and ports need to be forwarded for you to connect to it from outside
[12:58] <Manny> hmm...a bit quiet?
[12:58] <tiglionabbit> nah, just since you came in, Manny
[12:58] <Manny> i take it everyone is watching the news?
[12:58] <tiglionabbit> no, just that no one has said anything in the last 5 seconds
[12:58] <Manny> most uk news sites are overloaded...excl bbc
[12:58] <tiglionabbit> hmm, what's happening?
[12:59] <Manny> six bombs went off in london town
[12:59] <tiglionabbit> and uh, PDani, I have no idea how to answer your question
[12:59] <xliu> using Archieve Manager to extract a RAR Chinese file, it ends up with an error message"Error encoding.". So anyone knows how to correct it?
[01:00] <tiglionabbit> xliu: some rar formats are proprietary.  You may need rar-nonfree
[01:00] <jtan325__> tiglionabbit, i have done ifconfig at work many times
[01:00] <jtan325__> and my ip address begins with 128.208.....
[01:00] <xliu> ok ,thanks tiglionabbit
[01:00] <PDani> tiglionabbit: there's a commandline application (i don't remember its name), which can change the properties of an X11 window by its name, or title, etc
[01:00] <jtan325__> it is a dynamic ip i think
[01:01] <xliu> is rar-nonfree an application?
[01:01] <jtan325__> i am on the same "internal network" as my work computer, in that we are both on the campus network
[01:01] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: a good outside line?  Ok, some time at work, register a domain at dyndns.org and try ssh-ing it (with the openssh server installed at work)
[01:01] <tiglionabbit> ooooh
[01:01] <tiglionabbit> in that case routing shouldn't be too much of a problem
[01:02] <tiglionabbit> xliu: rar-nonfree is a package you can get from apt (use synaptic).  It will add a capability to your already-installed archive managers
[01:02] <jtan325__> oh yeah i was actually trying to setup openssh on my work computer today, but i had no idea what arguments to pass into the commandline
[01:02] <jtan325__> how do i go about routing then?
[01:03] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: all you have to do is install the openssh server, and you're good.  To log in to it, say ssh username@IPorDNS
[01:03] <tiglionabbit> like for instance, I would say ssh nick@nickr.kicks-ass.net
[01:03] <tiglionabbit> to log in to my own computer
[01:04] <donny_rafael> hi all
[01:04] <tiglionabbit> I have no idea what your routing situation is, but I bet getting a dyndns will make things easier to remember
[01:04] <tiglionabbit> hello, welcome to ubuntu
[01:04] <jtan325__> hmmm "connect to host 128....:port22: no route to host"
[01:04] <donny_rafael> ty
[01:05] <goldfish> jtan325__: are u behind a router?
[01:05] <jtan325__> no
[01:05] <jtan325__> i just plug in to the ethernet port in the wall
[01:05] <goldfish> hmmm.
[01:05] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: to see if it's configured properly, do the command I just said above there to log in to my computer right now.  Tell me if you get to the password entry stage
[01:06] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: so do ya?
[01:06] <jtan325__> hmmm no
[01:06] <tiglionabbit> really?  What happens?
[01:06] <jtan325__> "ssh nick@nickr.kick-ass.net"
[01:07] <tiglionabbit> yeah
[01:07] <jtan325__> it seems to be "hanging"
[01:07] <alkuovi> I was wondering, is it ok to click the shutdown button while programs are running? I usually have xmms and terminal windows open.
[01:07] <jtan325__> this doesn't make sense, because i'm able to do RSA and ssh into my department's ssh server
[01:08] <tiglionabbit> alkuovi: well, some programs may have quit scripts that are important.  I am not sure whether or not these are executed when you do a shutdown like that.  But most window managers are able to handle saving the session and such things
[01:08] <tiglionabbit> so I wouldn't worry about it
[01:08] <jtan325__> i.e. "ssh attu.cs.washington.edu" works fine for me, i don't even need to type my password
[01:08] <jtan325__> because i have RSA/DSA setup
[01:08] <jtan325__> so....
[01:08] <alkuovi> thanks for the info
[01:09] <znh> guys, I've got a 220mhz laptop here with 48megs of ram.. It has a wireless card (rt2500) is that a known supported card?
[01:09] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: well, I can connect to that.  I can connect to my own, too, tunneling through a machine in florida, so I'm sure it SHOULD work for you too
[01:09] <tiglionabbit> that machine would be pridelands.org, which you could test as well
[01:10] <umar> now i have install lirc with apt-get
[01:10] <umar> how can i configure it with my tv tuner remote
[01:10] <tiglionabbit> umar: hooray for you
[01:10] <tiglionabbit> umar: it probably has a manual, help file, info, and perhaps a website
[01:11] <umar> ok i will consult it fron there
[01:11] <unome> how do you configure anacron to send mail to a particular user?
[01:11] <jtan325__> tiglionabbit, it works when i do "ssh pridelands.org"
[01:11] <jtan325__> i.e. prompted for password after i add it to my list of known hosts
[01:11] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: okay, then I don't know why you can't connect to me
[01:11] <umar> thxs alot for u all for helping
[01:11] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: =P
[01:11] <umar> i first time came here and found the solution
[01:11] <luzbelito> someone knows any similar page to deviantart.com ???
[01:12] <znh> Does anyone know the minimum system requirements for VNC(client) ?
[01:12] <tiglionabbit> umar: well awesome, I hope you have good luck with us in the future
[01:12] <jtan325__> what's the easiest way to find my ip address
[01:12] <js_> /sbin/ifconfig
[01:12] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: ifconfig
[01:12] <unome> !VNC
[01:12] <ubotu> No idea, unome
[01:12] <rob^> http://www.gnome-look.org/
[01:12] <jtan325__> right that's what i have been using
[01:12] <jtan325__> and my IP should be the address next to "inet addr:"
[01:12] <jtan325__> on the second line?
[01:12] <Tsar_vonHumbug> not if you're using pppoe ...
[01:13] <tiglionabbit> yes, if that's the section for eth0, and not lo
[01:13] <tiglionabbit> oh
[01:13] <znh> jtan325__: typ this: /sbin/ifconfig | grep inet addr
[01:13] <znh> jtan325__: typ this: /sbin/ifconfig | grep inet-addr
[01:13] <jtan325__> yeah i did, i know what my ip is
[01:13] <jtan325__> what i am going to do
[01:13] <znh> is
[01:13] <tiglionabbit> znh: that wont help him.  Then eth0 and loopback can't be told apart
[01:14] <tiglionabbit> and besides, it's a space, not a hyphon
[01:14] <znh> tiglionabbit: oh ok :)
[01:14] <Tsunamii> night
[01:14] <jtan325__> no no i understand which one's my ip. but what i am going to do is
[01:14] <znh> night Tsunamii
[01:14] <jtan325__> install openssh-server on this computer i'm on right now at home
[01:14] <jtan325__> and then try to ssh in from work
[01:14] <tiglionabbit> good idea
[01:14] <jtan325__> and hopefully i can remote desktop using X11 forwarding or something, which i have no idea what that means
[01:15] <goldfish> jtan325__: you can ue vnc
[01:15] <goldfish> for remote X session
[01:15] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: I think you would be best off just using the connect to server feature, to access your files
[01:15] <Tsar_vonHumbug> ssh takes care of the X for you - just set your display and you're good
[01:15] <jtan325__> what is the command line to get to that feature
[01:15] <jtan325__> (i use fluxbox)
[01:15] <js_> jtan325__: for X11 forwarding you need a local x server on the box you want to forward to
[01:15] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: oh it's gui all the way
[01:16] <tiglionabbit> no idea, built into gnome
[01:16] <tiglionabbit> ssh or ftp give the same capabilities though
[01:16] <tiglionabbit> only through commandline
[01:16] <tiglionabbit> actually, what you could do is ssh in, then run nautilus
[01:16] <tiglionabbit> viola, files
[01:17] <DevGet> I'm trying to upgrade to breezy, but I get error about: Unpacking x-common (from .../archives/x-common_1.02_all.deb) ...
[01:17] <DevGet> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.02_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/X11', which is also in package xorg-common
[01:17] <DevGet> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:17] <DevGet>  /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.02_all.deb
[01:17] <DevGet> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:17] <js_> tiglionabbit: that would require x11 forwarding enabled in the sshd_config
[01:17] <jtan325__> hmmm... js_ how do you set up a local x server?
[01:17] <bimberi> znh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[01:17] <js_> jtan325__: on what os?
[01:17] <znh> bimberi: thanks!
[01:17] <jtan325__> ubuntu for both
[01:17] <jtan325__> hoary
[01:17] <bimberi> znh: yw :)
[01:17] <js_> jtan325__: if youve already got a graphic environment on both you have an X server running on both
[01:17] <jtan325__> ok awesome
[01:18] <js_> jtan325__: you need to enable X11Forward in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[01:18] <js_> jtan325__: then ssh with ssh -X user@host
[01:18] <tiglionabbit> js_: oh.  Well uh, it worked for me with the unix server.  I guess it's the sever that matters then?
[01:18] <kbrooks> tiglionabbit, getting help, eh?
[01:18] <kbrooks> :)
[01:18] <js_> jtan325__: you can also set up your display manager to accept XDMCP requests, so you can log on to it remotely using the display manager
[01:18] <tiglionabbit> sorry, by the unix server I mean the campus one =P
[01:18] <js_> tiglionabbit: yes
[01:19] <cyphase> Go to Freenode channel #anything to talk about anything
[01:19] <tiglionabbit> kbrooks: getting help with what?  Heh, I was sort of the one giving it for a second there.  Just trying to be useful really
[01:19] <jtan325__> hmmm js_ if i am currently logged in to my work computer right now, will it not work
[01:19] <jtan325__> and when i do "ssh -X jtan325@128...."
[01:19] <jtan325__> it says "no route to host"
[01:20] <kbrooks> cyphase, you are reinventing the wheel. there is a channel already that i setup for that. the linux-pub... at #linux-pub
[01:20] <cyphase> kbrooks, linux-pub
[01:20] <cyphase> linux..
[01:20] <cyphase> lol
[01:20] <no_gatez_fan> good morning
[01:20] <Tsar_vonHumbug> jtan325 - try ping to that IP...
[01:20] <kbrooks> cyphase, yeah, and you can talk about anything
[01:20] <jtan325__> Destinating Host Unreachable
[01:21] <jtan325__> does that mean i have the IP address of my work computer wrong?
[01:23] <tremor> hi people, i have a problem, everytime i boot my computer (ubuntu hoary), i get the message "critical temperature reached, 101C, shutting down", but my bios indicates ~57C
[01:23] <kbrooks> hmmm
[01:23] <tremor> is there some way to get around this message ?
[01:23] <tiglionabbit> ouch.  People have the most interesting hardware problems sometimes, don't they tremor?
[01:23] <jtan325__> what is this "routing", and what can i do to fix it
[01:24] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: when we say routing, what we mean is...
[01:24] <tremor> i can boot without any problems to windows and play gta:sa without any problems, but the moment i boot ubuntu, my pc shuts down
[01:24] <kbrooks> tremor, um, ok
[01:25] <jtan325__> i just installed openssh-server on this home computer
[01:25] <tiglionabbit> a lot of the time, computers are not connected directly to the internet with their own IP, but instead share internet through another computer (or "router") that routes them to it.  Often this "protects" them from incoming connections, because the "router" discards any incoming connections that it isn't told how to handle specifically
[01:25] <jtan325__> are you sure i don't have to do ANYTHING to set it up so i could ssh into here from work?
[01:26] <tiglionabbit> so if it is unable to route something, that is supposed to mean that it has hit a router and cannot reach its destination because the particular port is not forwarded to where it should go
[01:26] <jtan325__> i.e. set up a authentication scheme or something, or X11 forwarding?
[01:26] <sexcopter8000m> i've installed this in ubuntu http://www.planetpenguin.de/manpage-1-tdwm-clock.1.html (through synaptic package thingie), but can't find how to run it, any ideas? I'm pretty new to ubuntu and linux in general
[01:26] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: well, worked for me without setting up anything
[01:26] <goldfish> sexcopter8000m: tried running it from the terminal?
[01:26] <Taya> Hi, anyone can help me with sound card?
[01:27] <jtan325__> sexcopter8000m, do something like "locate tdwm-clock" from terminal
[01:27] <js_> jtan325__: is your server behind router/NAT?
[01:27] <jtan325__> js_, i would think so, i am on a campus network
[01:27] <sexcopter8000m> does locate basically do a search?
[01:27] <jtan325__> sexcopter8000m, yes
[01:27] <jtan325__> quite handy
[01:28] <allegrone> hello
[01:28] <js_> jtan325__: then, unless you have access to forward traffic to your ssh server, you're out of luck
[01:28] <sexcopter8000m> ok well it's found a couple of folders, /usr/share/man/man1/tdwm-clock.1.gz and /usr/bin/tdwm-clock
[01:28] <jtan325__> hmmmmm
[01:28] <js_> jtan325__: enter www.whatismyip.com with the ssh server box
[01:29] <goldfish> sexcopter8000m: run 'tdwm-clock' in a terminal
[01:29] <jtan325__> ok what about this: when i use windows on my home computer, i can vnc into it from linux at work
[01:29] <jtan325__> ok js_ my IP matches what i found with ifconfig -a
[01:29] <jtan325__> which is good
[01:29] <tiglionabbit> sexcopter8000m: it is important to know that locate uses a pre-made database to find things.  It cannot find anything added to your computer after the last time "updatedb" has been run.  Your computer runs this command every once in a while for you
[01:29] <sexcopter8000m> erm, well typing "tdwm-clock" doesn't return any errors, but doesn't seem to do anything
[01:30] <goldfish> hmmm.
[01:30] <sexcopter8000m> nor does "tdwm-clock -h"
[01:30] <sexcopter8000m> i installed this thing actually a day or two ago, just forgot =p
[01:31] <sexcopter8000m> it just seems odd to install a programme and lose it :S
[01:31] <jtan325__> js_, if i can vnc into my home computer from work with linux, when my home computer is running windows, does that mean the routing is working?
[01:31] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Yes
[01:31] <Jimbob> jtan325__: You're running X on your box at work?
[01:32] <tiglionabbit> jtan325__: yeah, vnc should work in both windows and linux
[01:32] <luzbelito> hi how can i add a program to my sound&video menu in applications please?
[01:32] <tiglionabbit> and if it works in one your routing is correct
[01:32] <jtan325__> Jimbob, yes
[01:32] <js_> jtan325__: if internet works it's correct
[01:32] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Ok, edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and turn on the "ForwardX11"
[01:32] <jtan325__> Jimbob, currently i am logged in to my work computer, it is locked
[01:32] <Jimbob> jtan325__: On your home machine
[01:32] <jtan325__> Jimbob, yeah, that's what i did on my work computer actually
[01:33] <tiglionabbit> luzbelito: I kinda wish I knew that.  You can play around in /usr/share/applications and try and figure out what makes it tick
[01:33] <jtan325__> but then when i do "sshd" at the terminal at work,
[01:33] <jtan325__> it says "absolute path needed" or something like that
[01:33] <Jimbob> jtan325__: sshd is the server
[01:33] <jtan325__> yeah
[01:33] <Proteque> jtan325__: start it with the initscript
[01:33] <jtan325__> i was trying to see if could ssh into my work computer from home
[01:33] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Ahh
[01:34] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Just run "sudo /etc/init.d/ssh reload"
[01:34] <jtan325__> and tomorrow, i will see if i can ssh into my home computer from work :-)
[01:35] <sexcopter8000m> any other ideas guys?
[01:35] <tiglionabbit> luzbelito: I would say, add a file to /usr/share/applications with a .desktop suffix.  Try and make it look like one of the other files inside, but don't worry about writing its name and comment in every imaginable language.  In the "categories" section, put "application;AudioVideo"
[01:35] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Then you should be able to ssh -X into your work machine and run X apps
[01:35] <jtan325__> Proteque, what is the initscript, is that what Jimbob mentioned?
[01:36] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Yes
[01:36] <jtan325__> Jimbob, i am going to set up sshd on my home computer, and see if i can ssh -X into here from work tomorrow... or should i say, later today
[01:36] <jtan325__> i am looking at sshd_config right now
[01:36] <jtan325__> changing logingracetime to 120 from 600...
[01:36] <jtan325__> enabling X11 forwarding....
[01:36] <jtan325__> anything else?
[01:36] <tiglionabbit> okay, sleepy time.  Good luck to everyone in the ubuntu channel
[01:37] <jtan325__> thanks tiglionabbit
[01:37] <jtan325__> you helped a bunch
[01:37] <Jimbob> jtan325__: That should do it.
[01:37] <tiglionabbit> =3
[01:37] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Then run "/etc/init.d/ssh reload"
[01:37] <jtan325__> wait, Jimbob X11Forwarding is already set to "yes"
[01:37] <tiglionabbit> (like I swallowed a puppy or something)
[01:38] <adwait> hello ppl
[01:39] <jtan325__> ok Jimbob
[01:39] <jtan325__> done
[01:39] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Ok, can you open a new "ssh -X" session into your work box?
[01:39] <jtan325__> so, theoretically, all i have to do from work now is "ssh -X (my home IP address)"?
[01:40] <jtan325__> Jimbob, i can't do that...
[01:40] <jtan325__> "no route to host"
[01:40] <cyphase> #anything
[01:40] <jtan325__> i can't really do anything with my work computer because, well, i am home now :-)
[01:40] <jtan325__> i tried to set it up as much as possible
[01:41] <jtan325__> but i guess i didn't do the "reload" thing
[01:41] <Taya> anyone can help with seetin up sound card?
[01:41] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Ok, you're trying to make your home computer accessible from your work computer, and you're at home now?
[01:41] <jtan325__> yes
[01:41] <Jimbob> ok
[01:41] <jtan325__> because i can't do anything about my work computer
[01:41] <Jimbob> Ah
[01:41] <jtan325__> so might as well see if i can get the other direction working first
[01:42] <jtan325__> Jimbob, theoretically, you should be able to do ssh -X 128.208.151.71
[01:42] <Jimbob> Well, run "unset $DISPLAY" and then "ssh -X localhost" and see if you can run apps over it.
[01:42] <jtan325__> and get a prompt right?
[01:42] <Jimbob> yeah
[01:42] <jtan325__> could you try please?
[01:42] <cerius> tach
[01:44] <Jimbob> jtan325__: I'm portmapping your box to see if I can get at SSH
[01:44] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Are you running a firewall?
[01:44] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Or behind a linksys router or something?
[01:45] <Jimbob> The only port open on your machine is auth (identd, on 113)
[01:45] <no_gatez_fan> omg prayers to london folkd
[01:45] <no_gatez_fan> folke
[01:45] <no_gatez_fan> s
[01:45] <jpfarias> hi people!
[01:45] <jpfarias> can someone point me with a good dvd to svcd converter?
[01:46] <donny_rafael> what kind firewall is good for ubuntu
[01:46] <Jimbob> donny_rafael: In general you don't need a firewall
[01:46] <jpfarias> donny_rafael, isn't iptables good enough?
[01:46] <donny_rafael> are u sure?
[01:47] <Jimbob> donny_rafael: Yes
[01:47] <donny_rafael> okey
[01:47] <no_gatez_fan> altough firestarter is a very simple firewall
[01:47] <Jimbob> donny_rafael: Just turn off any network services you aren't using
[01:47] <jpfarias> can someone point me with a good dvd to svcd converter?
[01:47] <Jimbob> donny_rafael: (identd, portmap, inetd,  apache, etc.)
[01:48] <jpfarias> donny_rafael, yeah, linux security is pretty good
[01:48] <jpfarias> donny_rafael, you would only need a firewall if you have a machine servig others machines in your local network
[01:49] <donny_rafael> btw i used portscan to scan my comp, and i found port 697 and 111 open, is it good or bad?
[01:49] <donny_rafael> if it's not good how to close that?
[01:49] <jtan325__> Jimbob, sorry for being afk
[01:49] <Jimbob> You can shutdown portmap (sudo /etc/init.d/portmap stop)
[01:49] <Suepahfly> is there a good Winamp5 clone for linux, imean with the same skin system and global hotkey support?
[01:49] <Jimbob> That'll close 111
[01:50] <donny_rafael> thank u
[01:50] <Jimbob> And "sudo netstat -A inet -A inet6 -vnlp" will tell you what applications are running on what ports
[01:50] <jtan325__> so i am not behind a firewall, or behind a router
[01:51] <jtan325__> i just plug my laptop straight into the campus ethernet
[01:51] <jtan325__> but i would assume campus network might be behind a firewalll...
[01:51] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Well, then either SSH is not running, or washing.edu is blocking it.
[01:52] <corey> does ubuntu have inotify preinstalled?
[01:52] <jtan325__> Jimbob, "/usr/sbin/ssd" is running, but it's running from root
[01:52] <jpfarias> hey
[01:52] <Jimbob> jtan325__: As it should be
[01:52] <jpfarias> can someone point me with a good dvd to svcd converter?
[01:52] <jtan325__> (when i do "ps aux | grep ssh"
[01:52] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Don't start daemons manually, that's just evil -- use the scripts in /etc/init.d
[01:53] <jtan325__> ok
[01:53] <jtan325__> well hopefully this will work when i get to work then
[01:53] <jtan325__> all i do is "ssh -x username@128.208.151.71" right?
[01:53] <Jimbob> Yeah
[01:54] <jtan325__> do i need to log off my home computer?
[01:54] <kbrooks> -X
[01:54] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Nope
[01:54] <kbrooks> -X
[01:54] <kbrooks> -X
[01:54] <jtan325__> -X right lol
[01:54] <jtan325__> thanks guys
[01:54] <Jimbob> jtan325__: Also, use "-C" to compress the data (it's much quicker)
[01:55] <jtan325__> ok
[01:56] <jtan325__> and if i did something like "mozilla-firefox" after ssh'ing in
[01:56] <jtan325__> it should show up on my work computer?
[01:56] <Seveas> jtan325__, yes
[01:56] <adwait> jtan325_:no
[01:56] <adwait> jtan325_:in ssh u cant execute any program tht requiures display
[01:56] <adwait> jtan325_: only shell apps can be executed
[01:56] <Seveas> adwait, bull :)
[01:56] <nikkia> adwait: yes you can, that's what -X is for, it tunnels the X connection
[01:56] <bimberi> adwait he's going to "ssh -X"
[01:57] <Seveas> ssh on Ubuntu by default does X tunneling...
[01:57] <Tsar_vonHumbug> adwait, try it - you'll like it :D
[01:57] <adwait> hehe......i tried like hell for controlling my pc via my cell.....
[01:57] <adwait> no go :(
[01:57] <nikkia> Seveas: not here its not :/
[01:57] <Seveas> nikkia, ah, ok, that must be my settings then
[01:57] <six2one> i got my treo to do it with vnc and ssh
[01:58] <jtan325__> so how do i setup X tunneling, if it's not done by default?
[01:58] <nikkia> jtan, put -X on the ssh command line
[01:58] <nikkia> that's all there is to it
[01:59] <corey> anyone aware if inotify works in hoary. I'm pretty sure it is preinstalled but I cannot locate it
[01:59] <jtan325__> ok cool cool
[01:59] <Jimbob> adwait: If your cell phone doesn't have X11 installed, then obviously, you can't run an X application
[01:59] <Jimbob> corey: inotify is a kernel feature
[01:59] <Tsar_vonHumbug> has there been a new release today? all my repositories are failing :(
[01:59] <Jimbob> corey: If your system has it, there will be a /dev/inotify device
[01:59] <Gerrath> jtan325__, you can set it up in the config script /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[02:00] <adwait> Jimbob: no i wasnt trying to execute X app.just wanted rhythmbox to advance to the next song in rhythmbox...
[02:00] <adwait> using rhythmbox --next
[02:00] <Gerrath> jtan325__, if you want it to be able to do it automatically.
[02:00] <|DaRkO|> sorry men, but ubuntu is an african distro? from which country?
[02:00] <jtan325__> Gerrath, what option?
[02:00] <corey> Jimbob, I know, but I don't have a /dev/inotify. I'm pretty sure it is supposed to be in the hoary kernel though
[02:01] <chrissturm> corey: you need to add inotify to the kernel parameters in /boot/grub/menu.lst to get inotify. but beware of crashes :)
[02:01] <Gerrath> jtan325__, I believe it is "X11Forwarding yes
[02:01] <Gerrath> " but please read the man file to confirm "man sshd_config"
[02:02] <nikkia> gerrath, surely it's ssh_config
[02:02] <nikkia> sshd_config would refer to the daemon, and -X/X11Forwarding is a client option, not a server option
[02:03] <nikkia> and its ForwardX11
[02:03] <Gerrath> nikkia, sorry I thought thats what he wanted to do was set up the server to allow forwarding when logging on to it.
[02:03] <nikkia> gerrath, the server should allow it by default
[02:03] <jtan325__> Gerrath, that option is enabled by default in sshd_config i think
[02:03] <jtan325__> at least for me
[02:03] <Seveas> nikkia, the server can disable it too, but indeed that allows it by default
[02:03] <Gerrath> jtan325__, Read what nikkia wrote..
[02:03] <Gerrath> jtan325__, I think I miss understood your question.
[02:03] <jtan325__> yeah i did.
[02:03] <nikkia> jtan, the option to set it to automatically forward X on a connection is 'ForwardX11 yes' in /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[02:03] <jtan325__> should change "forwardagent" to yes"
[02:04] <jtan325__> also?
[02:04] <nikkia> no
[02:04] <nikkia> forwardagent is a huge security risk
[02:04] <jtan325__> what does that do anyway
[02:04] <adwait> is there anyway i can access an idividual computer in LAN if it is connected thru a router?
[02:04] <Gerrath> jtan325__, anyway you can do a man ssh_config and get all the info on it.
[02:04] <nikkia> jtan, it pushes ssh-agent requests thru the chain of ssh connections
[02:04] <nikkia> its risky, very risky
[02:04] <jtan325__> ok
[02:05] <corey> chrissturm: like this: /vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda6 ro quiet splash inotify ?
[02:05] <jtan325__> ok ok
[02:05] <jtan325__> cool then, i am going to reboot, thanks for you help ppl
[02:05] <nikkia> jtan, from my experience, forwardagent doesn't work anyway
[02:05] <Tsar_vonHumbug> adwait, depends how you want access.. telnet will work for instance
[02:05] <Jimbob> adwait: Depends on if it's behind a NAT or not, and/or if port-forwarding is working. What are you trying to do?
[02:06] <chrissturm> corey, yep
[02:06] <adwait> i am trying to get the cell phone app i mentioned above to work.......well it needs to access the apache server on my pc, but since i got this new ADSL connection with the router....it cant
[02:06] <corey> cool thanks, I knew I was missing something
[02:06] <chrissturm> corey, copy the kernel config, and add a new one with inotify to be on the save side
[02:06] <adwait> i tried to set apapche to run on port 81 and set up a virtual server for the router....but still no go :(
[02:06] <adwait> wht if i turn off the NAT?
[02:07] <Jimbob> adwait: Can you forward port 80 from the router to the destination?
[02:07] <Jimbob> That'd be the simplest way to do what you want
[02:07] <adwait> the web admin of the router on port 80....so i forwarded 81 to my pc...using a virtual server rule...but it doesnt seem to be working
[02:08] <adwait> and the fact tht i can operate admin only with IE...ie: boot to windows all over adds to the misery
[02:08] <adwait> :p
[02:08] <Jimbob> adwait: Did you restart apache after you chanaged it to run on port 81?
[02:08] <adwait> yes
[02:09] <adwait> the only place i change the port is the ports.conf file right?
[02:09] <PDani> there's a commandline application (i don't remember its name), which can change the properties of an X11 window by its name, or title, etc... what's its name?
[02:09] <nikkia> PDani: xedit?
[02:10] <Jimbob> adwait: Apache or Apache2?
[02:10] <chrissturm> how can i configure zsh to show the cwd in the prompt and use colors like bash does?
[02:10] <adwait> apache2
[02:10] <Jimbob> adwait: The virtualserver decl in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default may have a port number that it wants
[02:10] <nikkia> hmm, no, that's not it
[02:11] <adwait> Jimbob: wht should i be looking for in this file? should i paste its contents to the bin
[02:11] <adwait> ?
[02:12] <Jimbob> adwait: There should be something like a NameVirtualServer *:80 blah blah <VirtualServer...
[02:12] <Jimbob> Basically, anything that looks like it's listening on port 80
[02:12] <goldfish> how do u set ubuntu to boot into text mode?
[02:13] <goldfish> i've look in rc2 - 5, and they all have gdm in them, do i just chmod -x that?
[02:13] <adwait> Jimbob: doesnt seem to be there...no ports are reffered to at all
[02:14] <adwait> jimbob: what if i turn the NAT off altogether? does my computer get a separate IP?
[02:14] <Jimbob> adwait: Mmm, well, can you contact localhost:80?
[02:15] <Jimbob> adwait: That depends entirely on your ISP
[02:15] <Jimbob> adwait: And I know here, with comcast cable, they charge extra for additional IPs.
[02:15] <adwait> Jimbob: i can access localhost:81 and 192.168.1.3:81 (LAN IP)
[02:15] <adwait> jimbob: hm...yeah they charge extra for static ips
[02:15] <Jimbob> But not external:81?
[02:16] <adwait> Jimbob: nope....."Port is closed for security reasons" or something to tht effect
[02:17] <Jimbob> hmm
[02:18] <adwait> i even contacted D Link tech support.......but they just sent me a procedure to set up a virtual server.which i already have dine
[02:18] <adwait> *done
[02:18] <adwait> i even tried setting up the pc in the DMZ for the router......but still nothing
[02:18] <adwait> :(
[02:19] <Jimbob> adwait: Welp, dunno what to tell you, since it's your router that's the problem -- have you tried googling for other people with similar problems?
[02:20] <nalioth_wrkn> adwait: are ther other puters on the router?
[02:20] <aurax> hello
[02:20] <aurax> anyone have an idea how to fix : Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libs/libsndfile/libsndfile1_1.0.10-2_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[02:21] <nalioth_wrkn> aurax: the repos are having a tizzy at the moment
[02:21] <fabbione> aurax: use another mirror or try later
[02:21] <aurax> its mirrors problem ?
[02:21] <fabbione> aurax: only of us.
[02:22] <aurax> hmm
[02:26] <aurax> when it will be fixed?
[02:27] <Tsar_vonHumbug> my guess would be couple of hours max
[02:27] <Tsar_vonHumbug> unless there's been a new release today? then give it a couple of days ;)
[02:28] <nalioth> aurax: i wouldnt hold my breath
[02:28] <nalioth> the repos have been flighty since yesterday morning (US Central time)
[02:29] <aurax> ok
[02:29] <aurax> why is it happening ?
[02:29] <aurax> i have to install some stuff
[02:29] <aurax> now i can't
[02:30] <adwait_> hello
[02:30] <nalioth> aurax: edit your sources.list to remove the us. from in the front of the URLs
[02:30] <bimberi> aurax: You can use another mirror
[02:30] <nalioth> adwait: are ther other puters on the router?
[02:31] <adwait> nalioth: no
[02:31] <adwait> another thing i just tried.......i tried to get the PC out of DMZ and the net refused to work
[02:31] <nalioth> adwait: can you plug directly in to the cable/dsl modem?
[02:31] <adwait> nalioth: the router itself acts as the modem..its an ADSL router
[02:31] <nalioth> adwait: ah.
[02:32] <nalioth> adwait: i just dropped in on this problem of yours.. so am not sure what exactly is goin on
[02:32] <nalioth> adwait: have you done a hard reset of the modem?
[02:32] <aurax> oki doki
[02:32] <adwait> well...i am trying to somehow get the computers on the net to access the apache2 server running on my pc
[02:33] <adwait> nalioth: no....but i dont really want to do that, because in case i can't get it set up properly, thos ISP ppl are gonna take 2-3 days and lots of follow up to finally come and fix it
[02:33] <nalioth> adwait: ah
[02:33] <nalioth> adwait: the DMZ setting didnt work at all?
[02:34] <adwait> nalioth: when i disabled DMZ, i couldnt access the net at all....had to turn it back on
[02:34] <adwait> i think the net works fine in windows if i turn DMZ off
[02:36] <nalioth> adwait: this is weird
[02:36] <adwait> nalioth: yep...hv been trying to get over this since i got this connection..
[02:37] <Tsar_vonHumbug> for peeps having troubles with the repositories - see here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Archive
[02:37] <adwait> i want to be able to control rhythmbox over the cell phone again.........so dont hv to come up to the pc if i want to just change a song
[02:39] <PDani> bye
[02:39] <nalioth> adwait: does your modem identify itself to the ISP using its mac address?
[02:39] <nalioth> adwait: or is htere a 'user/pass' that needs to be sent?
[02:39] <adwait> nalioth: user/pass
[02:39] <nalioth> adwait: pardon my french, but thats f****D
[02:40] <adwait> hehe....french?
[02:40] <kickrocks> hello
[02:40] <kickrocks> anyone running the ia64 port ?
[02:40] <nalioth> adwait: call your ISP, ask them what it takes (user/pass reentry, etc) if you do a hard reset of the thing
[02:40] <nalioth> adwait: and start clean
[02:41] <adwait> nalioth: hmm.......u woulldnt say that if u had some experience with my isp ;p
[02:41] <adwait> its a public sector (hence inefficient) company.........but they are the one's pffering the best speed at lowest rates
[02:42] <adwait> i guess ill just hv to figure out some way to to this w/o using the server on my pc
[02:42] <nalioth> adwait: i'm sorry
[02:42] <adwait> like maybe put the php pages on some server.....and then have a client app which checks on a file on that server ....
[02:42] <kickrocks> I am still unable to apt-get anything, I am on itanium though
[02:43] <adwait> kickrocks: wht error msg does it give?
[02:43] <nalioth> kickrocks: the repos are wonky atm
[02:43] <kickrocks> http://pastebin.com/308559
[02:43] <adwait> aah
[02:43] <bob2> I'd be pretty sure you don't mean "anything"
[02:43] <kickrocks> yes, not one package
[02:43] <bob2> maybe you mean "I can't use apt to successfully download any packages from us.archive.ubuntu.com"?
[02:43] <kickrocks> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/main/binary-ia64/Packages.gz  404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[02:44] <kickrocks> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-ia64/Packages.gz  404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[02:44] <kickrocks> eveything is failed to fetch
[02:44] <bob2> also, isn't the ia64 port on ports.ubuntu.com?
[02:44] <kickrocks> is it ?
[02:44] <bob2> and indeed it is
[02:44] <nalioth> bob2 did you have a nice vacation?
[02:45] <kilikili> hello y' a-t-il un fracophone sur la place?
[02:45] <bob2> it's not (yet) an official port
[02:45] <kickrocks> ports.ubuntu.com ?
[02:45] <nalioth> kilikili: en la #ubuntu-fr, si'l vous plait
[02:45] <bob2> nalioth: heh, of a sort, yeah, thanks :)
[02:46] <jbailey> kilikili: Essayer #ubuntu-fr
[02:46] <kilikili> Ok
[02:46] <kickrocks> so if i replace security & archive with ports I should be okay ?
[02:46] <goldfish> What's the default runlevel on ubuntu?
[02:46] <adwait> 5
[02:46] <goldfish> thanks.
[02:47] <adwait> np
[02:47] <bob2> goldfish: 2
[02:47] <bob2> adwait: no, this isn't redhat
[02:47] <bob2> goldfish: note that runlevels 2 through 5 are identical on ubuntu, by default
[02:47] <adwait> ?
[02:48] <adwait> isnt 2 supposed to be single user with networking
[02:48] <adwait> ?
[02:48] <bob2> kickrocks: I'd guess replacing it with "deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ hoary main" would work
[02:48] <adwait> and 3 multy user text?
[02:48] <bob2> adwait: no, that's a redhat-(and derivatives)-ism
[02:48] <jessta> why are all the sound config tools to useless?
[02:48] <adwait> hmm
[02:48] <bob2> jessta: because you shouldn't need to use them
[02:48] <goldfish> bob2: ok, cool, thanks.
[02:48] <goldfish> i did notice :)
[02:48] <goldfish> i was looking for a text mode run level.
[02:49] <goldfish> I'll just make one.
[02:49] <jessta> bob2: that's not the point
[02:49] <ewanko> hi guys... what's the FSB of SEMPRON processors?
[02:49] <bob2> jessta: well, it kinda is...if it doesn't work automatically, it's a bug ;p
[02:49] <kickrocks> http://pastebin.com/308872
[02:49] <kickrocks> #
[02:49] <kickrocks> Err http://ports.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[02:49] <kickrocks> #
[02:49] <kickrocks>   404 Not Found
[02:49] <jessta> bob2: I need to use them, two sound cards, one doesn't work.
[02:49] <kickrocks> oops sorry
[02:50] <bob2> jessta: right
[02:50] <bob2> so lay out the details and let someone tell you how to fix it
[02:50] <bob2> in breezy there'll hopefully be a magic configurometer to do it for you
[02:51] <nalioth> bob2: not a magik configulator?
[02:51] <nalioth> a voodoo configerocerous?
[02:51] <unome> wtf is happening in london, anyone from there?
[02:51] <jessta> bob2: ubuntu selects the onboard one that doesn't work. I want to use the pci one that does work. How can I set that to be the default?
[02:52] <bob2> unome: ##london
[02:52] <bob2> jessta: the simplest solution is to disable the onboard one in the bios, if possible
[02:52] <bob2> jessta: if not, you add the module name to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, and it won'r be enabled during boot
[02:52] <kickrocks> using the ports.ubuntu.com URL still failed to fetch anything.
[02:52] <jessta> bob2: alrightu
[02:53] <catfox> hi all. i'm trying to build a custom kernel, but when i boot it i get this error: swsusp: suspend partition has wrong signature.
[02:53] <bob2> kickrocks: how did you install?
[02:53] <catfox> any ideas what thats about?
[02:53] <kickrocks> via cd
[02:53] <bob2> kickrocks: ... which cd?
[02:53] <bob2> kickrocks: hoary?
[02:53] <kickrocks> yes sir
[02:53] <bob2> catfox: if you didn't suspend, I'd assume that's just the kernel noticing it, and moving on
[02:53] <bob2> catfox: unless it actually hung on that, which seems unlikely
[02:54] <catfox> i get kernel panic right after it
[02:54] <bob2> I'd be pretty surprised if that was the problem
[02:54] <catfox> damn, didn't note down the kernel panic error. i'll reboot an get that
[02:55] <adwait> kickrocks: added ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports? not ubuntu?(i think ths wht u should add......hmm, but i seem to be going wrong a lot today ;) )
[02:55] <bob2> it's more likely that you forgot to include ext2 or something in the kernel
[02:56] <catfox> bob2, ext2 is definately in there, and reiser, which is what i'm using
[02:57] <bob2> kickrocks: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[02:57] <acid2> is there a command to search all files of a given directory and find ones that contain a certain string?
[02:58] <bob2> grep
[02:58] <bimberi> acid2: grep
[02:58] <adwait> acid2:grep
[02:58] <acid2> so thats what grep does!
[02:58] <acid2> thanks :)
[02:59] <nalioth> acid2: thats one thing grep does
[02:59] <acid2> hehe
[02:59] <kickrocks> http://pastebin.com/308881
[03:00] <acid2> "grep static\ void\ main" searches for files containing "static void main" correct?
[03:00] <bob2> no
[03:00] <bob2> "grep static\ void\ main ." would
[03:00] <bob2> er,  "grep -r static\ void\ main ."
[03:01] <bob2> the last arguments need to be file(s), or directories if you give -r
[03:01] <xophEr> I have 1024mb RAM but system monitor only shows 885?
[03:01] <Jonax> Quick question - Anyone recommend any music players other than XMMS?
[03:01] <bob2> xophEr: install a -686 kernel
[03:01] <acid2> bob2, why the dot at thend?
[03:01] <nalioth> Jonax: there are several
[03:02] <bob2> xophEr: e.g., install the linux-686 package
[03:02] <nalioth> acid2: that means "right here"
[03:02] <bob2> Jonax: I quite like cplay
[03:02] <acid2> oh
[03:02] <acid2> I want to search in sub directories
[03:02] <bob2> acid2: as nalioth says, it means the current directory
[03:02] <Jonax> I'm not asking whether they are, Nal. I'm asking what people recommend personally :)
[03:02] <bob2> acid2: then give it -r, and it will "r"ecurse into them
[03:02] <acid2> coo
[03:02] <Jonax> *...whether there are...
[03:02] <nalioth> Jonax: i use rhythmbox
[03:03] <adwait> jonax: i like rhythmbox.......i can easily search my music collection
[03:03] <bwlang_> Jonax: i like amarok
[03:03] <Jonax> CPlay, Rhythmbox, Amarok - I'll have a check for them.  Thanks guys :)
[03:03] <nikkia> jonax, don't forget beep :)
[03:03] <nalioth> bob2: are "." and "./" the same thing?
[03:03] <bob2> nalioth: yup
[03:04] <nikkia> jonax, that'd be meep
[03:04] <bob2> well, mostly
[03:04] <bob2> somethings don't like directory names missing final slashes
[03:04] <nalioth> never seen . b4, always ./ for 'current dir'
[03:04] <nikkia> jonax, beep = beep-media-player, a fork of the xmms code
[03:04] <leliel> anyone in here, know how to get nvidia drivers to work with hoary, without using apt-get?
[03:04] <Jonax> nikkia: Hmm - Interesting...
[03:04] <nikkia> its more reliable than xmms, ime, but doesn't support everything
[03:05] <djp> leliel: get nvidia to release the source code... ;)
[03:05] <leliel> djp, that, was helpful
[03:05] <nikkia> the one that annoys me the most, being that beep doesn't support IPv6 streaming, at least in the ubuntu builds
[03:05] <leliel> really helpful
[03:05] <djp> leliel: it was meant tongue in cheek
[03:05] <djp> leliel: what is wrong with apt-get?
[03:06] <schmidtma> hi, i lost my old laptop handbook. So i dont know the horz and vert rates for X to work with desired resolution. Is there a way to get those values without the handbook? e.g. software ?
[03:06] <djp> leliel: apt-get nvidia-glx?
[03:07] <catfox> i've just noted that kernel panic error, and it's: kernel panic: not syncing unable to mount root on unknown-block (3,3)
[03:07] <nalioth> schmidtma: do lcd
[03:07] <catfox> my root in grub.conf points to /dev/hda3 in my new kernel entry, which is the same as the default kernels
[03:07] <nalioth> 's have horiz and vert refresh?
[03:07] <kickrocks> pass the installer the -x option
[03:07] <catfox> any ideas what i might have left out of the kernel?
[03:08] <xophEr> bob2, allright, thanks :)
[03:08] <schmidtma> nalioth: i thought so, but i m not sure. its a Siemens scenic mobile 750
[03:08] <kickrocks> oh leliel left
[03:08] <nikkia> catfox: IDE support?
[03:09] <nikkia> catfox: its either IDE support, or ext2/3 support that's missing, probably
[03:09] <nalioth> schmidtma: i do not think lcd panels have refresh rates, but i may be mistaken
[03:09] <nalioth> schmidtma: there are no specs on the manufacturers site or the wayback machine?
[03:09] <nikkia> nalioth: they don't, but if the interface is analog, they will 'appear' to have them
[03:10] <catfox> nikkia, definately have filesystem stuff. any ideas what ide modules are needed?
[03:10] <nikkia> catfox: ide-disk at least
[03:10] <schmidtma> nalioth: i could not find any on the page and the laptop itslef has no label with anything usefull.
[03:11] <nikkia> catfox: remember, they need to be built into the kernel, not as modules, unless you're going to try and work out initrd stuff, but i find its generally easier to build the ide/fs stuff into the kernel *anyway* even if using initrd
[03:11] <nalioth> schmidtma: i don't think you'll have any problems with it and X
[03:11] <catfox> nikkia, yeah thats in there too
[03:11] <nikkia> catfox: the other thing that can cause it... is if the kernel is trying to use 'accelerated IDE' drivers, but they're modules
[03:12] <catfox> nikkia, never heard of accelerated ide
[03:12] <nikkia> catfox: its the stuff that enables UDMA, ie the drivers like 'piix'
[03:12] <schmidtma> nalioth: its working with 800x600 yes, but i would like to get 1024x750, maybe i just cant do that because its a lcd and its not supporting 1024 ?
[03:13] <catfox> nikkia, righto, i'll take a look thanks
[03:13] <catfox> piix is in there, should i take that out then?
[03:13] <nalioth> schmidtma: not at all
[03:13] <Jonax> Quick question - Just got beep but got a problem of being able to open mp3s.  Anyone know which package(s) I need to d/l?
[03:13] <nikkia> catfox: those drivers vary based on your chipset, so you have to be careful to enable the right one (or just enable them all, there are only like 10 or so, and they're not huge)
[03:13] <catfox> the problem is, i dont know which ide chipset my laptop has got
[03:13] <nalioth> schmidtma: edit your xorg.conf and see if that fixes you up (watch what ubotu says)
[03:13] <nalioth> !resolution
[03:13] <ubotu> resolution is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:14] <bob2> Jonax: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:14] <nikkia> catfox: look at lsmod on a working boot :)
[03:14] <leliel> djp, the reasons i don't want to use apt-get are twofold, firstly, i shouldn;t have to do things any one way, and secondly the drivers from apt-get, are buggy, and cause games run thriugh cedega to lock up requiring a restart of x
[03:14] <bob2> Jonax: (linked from the FAQ)
[03:14] <nikkia> catfox: the ide driver will be mentioned as a dependancy of ide_core
[03:14] <Jonax> Heh - Forgot that MP3 was proprietary :) Ta bob
[03:14] <schmidtma> thx i ll take a read
[03:14] <nikkia> jonax, depends if you think the patent is valid :)
[03:14] <nikkia> jonax, MP3 and MPEG are about the most illegal of all patents, IMO
[03:15] <Jonax> Good point
[03:15] <nikkia> jonax, they're not even really 'software patents' but patents on mathematical formulae (DCT and FFT)
[03:15] <catfox> nikkia, i get this for usb_core:  usb_storage,ide_cd,ide_generic,ide_disk,piix
[03:15] <bob2> "most illegal" is an unfortunate phrasing
[03:15] <nikkia> catfox: then looks like you're using the intel chipset drivers
[03:15] <Jonax> Well I'm against software patents altogether so I think practically all of them are bollocks :)
[03:16] <nikkia> jonax, as i said, they're not even software patents, i have no clue wtf the german patent office granted them
[03:16] <Jonax> Having said that, now that I look at the error messages looks like it wasn't the mp3s that weren't loaded
[03:16] <nikkia> jonax, they violate several EU directives on patents
[03:16] <Jonax> It was the playlists, album art, etc ^_^
[03:16] <catfox> nikkia, cool, i'll give it a go. i had via82 drivers in there, do you think including both is causing the error?
[03:16] <nikkia> catfox: unlikely, to be honest
[03:17] <wolverian> nikkia: currently each country can legislate on patents as they see fit, but the patents won't be uniformly enforced across the EU. that is, if germany allows such things to be patented, it's valid in germany and the EU or anyone else can't do anything about it
[03:17] <nikkia> wolverian: the EU 1973 legislature on patents forbids patents on mathematical formulae
[03:17] <wolverian> nikkia: ah, it's that specific? well, then. sounds like it's time to sue someone. :)
[03:17] <djp> leliel: isn't the nvidia-glx package the latest driver from nvidia? i wouldn't know you see as i use the nv driver
[03:18] <adwait> hey btw: did u guys see the blasts in london/
[03:18] <teemu__> what can I do if I dont get any sound?
[03:19] <djp> adwait: yes
[03:19] <nikkia> wolverian: its possible the patents only cover the motion estimation stuff, which would be vaguely allowable, although still very 'mathematical' for my tastes
[03:19] <nikkia> wolverian: but patenting DCT is just so wrong it makes my skin crawl
[03:20] <nalioth> teemu__: check your volume settings and read this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[03:20] <catfox> will i need to enable "use old disk only driver on primary interface"? its the BLK_DEV_HD_IDE module
[03:20] <Tsar_vonHumbug> meh, all property is theft - why should software patents be any different ?
[03:20] <nikkia> catfox: i wouldn't have thought so
[03:20] <leliel> djp, be that as it may, it causes errors
[03:20] <catfox> nikkia, ok cool.i'll have another go. thanks for your help, v useful
[03:21] <leliel> and besides djp the latest nvidia drivers screw up the games in question as well
[03:21] <leliel> though, in different ways
[03:22] <kbrooks> http://liz4rd.ath.cx/files/hda1/linux/apt/sources.list
[03:23] <djp> leliel: seems like a problem for you. best of luck sorting it anyway
[03:23] <leliel> i will repeat my question then
[03:24] <leliel> anyone in here know how to install nvidia drivers on hoary fron the nvidia.com binaries?
[03:25] <nikkia> leliel: install linux-headers, then run the .run file on their site, that should be enough
[03:25] <adwait> leliel: umm in general......u should chmod and then use sh
[03:25] <teemu__> wtf an attack in london?
[03:25] <nalioth> leliel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:25] <leliel> nalioth, useful, sinc ethat uses apt-get, not the nvidia drivers
[03:26] <leliel> stuffit, would be easier to install a different distro
[03:26] <leliel> this being just the latest in a line of issues with ubuntu
[03:29] <leliel> nikkia, adwait, perhaps i didn't phrase my question very well, if one chooses to install from the nvidia.com binaries, i get graphics glitches, do either of you know how to fix them?
[03:29] <Ubuntian> can someone explain me this: how come in a routeur it's not necessary to forward the port 80 even though one uses it all the time with a browser?
[03:30] <Ubuntian> it's works even without port forwarding...it's weird to me
[03:31] <Ubuntian> seveas, u don't know?
[03:31] <bob2> that's now hot NAT works
[03:32] <Ubuntian> when 2 computers are websurfing, how does the routeur know where to send each packet? (since both use port 80)?
[03:32] <nalioth> Ubuntian: seveas has not shown up yet, bob2 is the current bot-in-residence   :)
[03:33] <ptlo> Ubuntian: the computers have different ip address
[03:33] <bob2> Ubuntian: when a local send packets to a remote machine, the router rewrites them, and keeps track of the original source address, and the destination.  when it gets one back (on the right port, etc), it looks up who it was for.
[03:34] <Ubuntian> well if u do some portforwarding for some applications (azureus) why not for all of them (a browser?)
[03:34] <bob2> those are very different things
[03:34] <JanC> Ubuntian : port forwarding is needed for traffic comming from the outside
[03:34] <kyoman> port s the dest port,not the source port
[03:34] <bob2> in the BT case, you're forwarding packets coming in from random outside machines
[03:34] <Ubuntian> ahhhhhhhhhhhh
[03:35] <bob2> when using firefox, you're sending the initial packets outside
[03:35] <Ubuntian> i see
[03:35] <bob2> so the router knows who and where sent them
[03:35] <Ubuntian> kkkkkkkk
[03:35] <Ubuntian> got it
[03:35] <JanC> because then the router doesn't know who is the destination
[03:35] <djp> leliel: http://ubuntuforums.org/printthread.php?t=43557 may be helpful
[03:35] <Ubuntian> thanks bob2
[03:37] <Ubuntian> tschuss!
[03:38] <hotte[> hi @ all
[03:38] <hotte[> i have a question ;) do u know the problem that u cant your sreen size?
[03:38] <nalioth> hotte[: can you be more specific?
[03:38] <hotte[> sure
[03:39] <ben> hello all. i was after some help getting a linksys wpc54g wireless card working under ubuntu
[03:39] <hotte[> me is ger so i have to think about how to explain in english
[03:39] <Davey> Hmm, anyone have a Logitech USB headset here?
[03:39] <djp> german slang... possibly. an informal goodbye among friends? just guessing like... ;)
[03:39] <nalioth> hotte[: cuz when i can't find my screen size, i go to another store that has it in stock   ;)
[03:40] <nalioth> hotte[: ist kein leute in #ubuntu-de?
[03:40] <hotte[> nein
[03:40] <nalioth> djp: yes that was it
[03:40] <hotte[> i have no xrand thats my problem
[03:40] <hotte[> xrandr
[03:40] <djp> nalioth: google is my friend! :)
[03:40] <hotte[> sure it is my friend and the time is my friend too
[03:40] <hotte[> i searched 5 hours now
[03:41] <hotte[> and i got no explaination
[03:41] <Davey> hotte[: What video card?
[03:41] <hotte[> ati ;)
[03:41] <mostrodibiscotti> I am trying to get a VNC viewer for my Ubuntu install so that I can still admin my windows servers
[03:41] <mostrodibiscotti> I went to packages.ubuntu.net
[03:41] <hotte[> hehe i know there are many problems
[03:41] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: krdc
[03:41] <hotte[> but my rendering is ok
[03:41] <hotte[> it works
[03:41] <mostrodibiscotti> and found quite a few
[03:41] <surly> krdc
[03:42] <Seveas> bob2, awake..?
[03:42] <mostrodibiscotti> one I found downloads with the extension .deb
[03:42] <bob2> Seveas: indeed
[03:42] <Seveas> bob2, can I pm you for a sec?
[03:42] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: use apt-get and install 'krdc'
[03:42] <mostrodibiscotti> can I use apt-get to get it rather than downloading it?
[03:42] <bob2> Seveas: but of course
[03:42] <mostrodibiscotti> ok, nalioth
[03:42] <surly> mostrodibiscotti< krdc works well for this.irun it all day at work
[03:42] <mostrodibiscotti> thank you very much, I will try that
[03:43] <Davey> hotte[: I had a hell of a time getting the resolution to work on my ATI, wish I could remember how :/
[03:43] <nalioth> surly: mostrodibiscotti: i also use krdc every  day at work
[03:44] <surly> or.....sudo apt-get install rdesktop  ... this will connect to xp machines with remote connection enabled.
[03:44] <mostrodibiscotti> when I use "sudo apt-get install krdc"
[03:44] <mostrodibiscotti> I get
[03:44] <Seveas> surly, a remote desktop client is installed by default in ubuntu
[03:45] <mostrodibiscotti> a message that says package not found
[03:45] <Seveas> mostrodibiscotti, a vnc client is installed by default on Ubuntu
[03:45] <Seveas> simply type vncviewer in a terminal
[03:45] <surly> seveas.....ok
[03:45] <Davey> hotte[: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22496
[03:45] <Seveas> mostrodibiscotti, or go to the menu applications -> internet -> terminal server client
[03:46] <xophEr> Hi! When I try to watch at an .avi-file with totem this is all I get: 'Unable to open resource for writing' What am I doing wrong? :)
[03:46] <Aragorn_Guardian> hi all
[03:46] <Aragorn_Guardian> 8)
[03:46] <Aragorn_Guardian> ubuntu rulez
[03:47] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: welcome
[03:47] <Aragorn_Guardian> nalioth: great...more happy today...ubuntized...ehehehe
[03:47] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: it gets better every day
[03:47] <ed1t> does anyone know why i cant connect any irc client from ubuntu when im at work, but i can connect mirc from xp when im at work
[03:47] <Aragorn_Guardian> nalioth: i need servers admin tools, for apache, smb...etc
[03:48] <yuacht> ed1t, got a firewall?
[03:48] <ed1t> irc clients from ubuntu works frm home
[03:48] <ed1t> n
[03:48] <ed1t> no
[03:48] <mostrodibiscotti> Seveas:  great, I did find the built in vncviewer, and it works, but I can only connect by name, not by IP, is there a reason for that?
[03:48] <ed1t> yuacht well im on my university network
[03:48] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: search your heart out at packages.ubuntu.com
[03:48] <ed1t> yuacht but it would block the mirc connections too right
[03:49] <ed1t> if it was blocking those ports or something
[03:49] <Aragorn_Guardian> nice
[03:50] <Aragorn_Guardian> nalioth: gonna try
[03:50] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: you have linux experience?
[03:50] <jmjones> ed1t: are you saying that you *can* connect mirc from xp?
[03:51] <ed1t> yes
[03:51] <Aragorn_Guardian> slack
[03:51] <ed1t> im on mirc right nw
[03:51] <ed1t> now*
[03:51] <jmjones> ed1t: so what problem are you having?
[03:51] <Aragorn_Guardian> my focus is on apache, php, postgres...
[03:51] <jmjones> oh -
[03:51] <jmjones> sorry
[03:51] <Aragorn_Guardian> i dont know much about network...
[03:51] <ed1t> jmjones i cant connect xchat or irssi from ubuntu
[03:51] <jmjones> can't connect from ubuntu
[03:51] <ed1t> yea
[03:51] <Aragorn_Guardian> but i love linux...is too nice
[03:51] <Aragorn_Guardian> debian seems good too
[03:52] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: well, *nix is *nix
[03:52] <jmjones> ed1t: what happens when you `telnet irc.freenode.net 6667` from your linux machine?
[03:52] <Davey> did anyone get Beagle to run in Ubuntu yet?
[03:52] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: ubuntu is designed for ease of use by new users, but it is *nix underneat
[03:52] <ed1t> jmjones didnt try it
[03:52] <Exposure> I can't get ati driver to work, i get an error complaining about X using kernel context 0
[03:52] <ed1t> jmjones any other solutions?
[03:53] <ed1t> im gonna boot into ubuntu and try it
[03:53] <yuacht> Man I soooo wanna run breezy badger! :D
[03:53] <bob2> Exposure: you're not using xen or anything, right?
[03:53] <nalioth> Exposure: do you need the ati driver for any particular reason?
[03:53] <jmjones> ed1t: ok - that'll help you diagnose the problem....
[03:53] <mostrodibiscotti> Why is it that apt-get gets some stuff, but can't find other stuff
[03:53] <Exposure> bob2: not that i know of
[03:53] <Aragorn_Guardian> yeah... i like this in it. i am confortable...
[03:53] <bob2> Exposure: and you read wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?
[03:53] <kbrooks> yuacht, don't.....
[03:53] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: today the repos seem to be a bit off
[03:53] <Exposure> nalioth: eh.. because i have an ati card?
[03:53] <bob2> mostrodibiscotti: because you didn't give it the right package names
[03:54] <mostrodibiscotti> I'm picturing apt-get in my windows brain as being like when you go to an ftp site and download something
[03:54] <ed1t> jmjones u got aim or something...so if that doesnt work, i can im u
[03:54] <Aragorn_Guardian> my box worked in few steps...my hardware is all ok... even my keyboard map, that was wrong in slack... 8)
[03:54] <nalioth> Exposure: i was going to mention, that the VESA driver will run all modern video cards
[03:54] <Exposure> bob2: nope i didn't read anything but the driver readme stuff, built the drivers from source
[03:54] <bob2> mostrodibiscotti: or, if you mean "why does apt sometimes faile with md5sum errors?", then use archive.ubuntu.com
[03:54] <ed1t> if u dont mind
[03:54] <jmjones> ed1t: i've got yahoo....
[03:54] <bob2> Exposure: go read that page
[03:54] <Exposure> nalioth: not for 3d stuff
[03:54] <Exposure> bob2: ok
[03:54] <Aragorn_Guardian> now i am looking at the servers....
[03:54] <ed1t> jmjones alright gimme that
[03:54] <Aragorn_Guardian> i like too the server install option...
[03:54] <mostrodibiscotti> what if, like for example, I had an idea of the package name, but it did not work
[03:54] <nalioth> Exposure: so you need the ati driver for rendering reasons
[03:54] <Aragorn_Guardian> is minimal
[03:55] <mostrodibiscotti> where on the net could I go to verify the true name of that app that I'm trying to get?
[03:55] <yuacht> kbrooks, i know, but i wanna :)
[03:55] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: packages.ubuntu.com
[03:55] <ripok> Hello. Has anyone got problem with Cisco vpn client and ubuntu using ssh connection over vpn?
[03:55] <bob2> mostrodibiscotti: apt-cache search keyword
[03:55] <nalioth> yuacht: go and buy a cheap beige box and breezy away on it
[03:55] <kbrooks> yuacht, x is broken
[03:55] <Moppin> mostrodibiscotti, The quick an dirty way is to use Synaptic to find packages
[03:55] <kbrooks> yuacht, or so i heard
[03:55] <bob2> that's not dirty, that's fine :)
[03:56] <Moppin> bob2, Yeah, I'll agree with you :)
[03:56] <yuacht> i'
[03:56] <yuacht> i'll wait abt 2 months then i'll try it
[03:56] <jmjones> synaptic is for gui-loving losers
[03:56] <Kyral> jmjones, ouch
[03:56] <jmjones> real men use the command line
[03:56] <Moppin> jmjones, true true....
[03:56] <Kyral> then again, I removed Synaptic a month ago
[03:56] <Exposure> bob2: that page describes how to install the default ubuntu (old) ati driver
[03:56] <kbrooks> why?
[03:56] <jmjones> :-) actually - i use synaptic more often than command line :-)
[03:56] <Moppin> jmjones, everyone gets pissed at me at work because I should them how to do everything in CLI
[03:57] <mostrodibiscotti> where can I learn more about synaptic
[03:57] <nalioth> jmjones: real lazy men use synaptic ;)
[03:57] <jmjones> i probably *should* use the cli more, but i typically have synaptic open, so i just use it.
[03:57] <Moppin> jmjones, I use Synaptic to find package names.  I'm new to the DEB way of package managemet.
[03:57] <mostrodibiscotti> being that I am a newbie
[03:57] <jmjones> nalioth: and laziness is one of the three cardinal virtues of a programmer.
[03:57] <mostrodibiscotti> shoudl I stay away from synaptic?
[03:57] <jmjones> mostrodibiscotti: no - honestly, it's great
[03:58] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: system > admin > synaptic package manager
[03:58] <jmjones> no i think kynaptic sucks
[03:58] <jmjones> s/no/now/
[03:58] <nalioth> jmjones: thought it was all 3 cardinal virtues.. .. ..
[03:58] <Jonax> Actually, you can get to it also by Applications, System Tools, Add/Remove Programs, Advanced
[03:58] <MrPoke> Is us.archive.ubuntu.com behind on packages?
[03:58] <jmjones> what did i say?
[03:58] <Jonax> And TBH I use Synaptic as much as apt-get :)
[03:58] <MrPoke> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com.... MD5Sum mismatch
[03:58] <crid0> mostrodibiscotti: synaptic is perfect for the new user.
[03:58] <nalioth> MrPoke: the repos are wonky today
[03:58] <Exposure> so nobody tried ati driver 8.14.13?
[03:58] <jmjones> nalioth: -oh laziness, impatience, and hubris
[03:58] <MrPoke> nalioth: thanks thought it might just be me
[03:59] <jmjones> those are the three.
[03:59] <nalioth> jmjones: no further comment  :P
[03:59] <jmjones> crid0: synaptic is good for anybody
[04:00] <crid0> jmjones: agree
[04:00] <jmjones> but one probably *ought* to figure out how to install stuff from CLI in case your system gets fscked and you have to fix stuff at a console.
[04:00] <jmjones> or remove stuff.....
[04:00] <thierry> if I want to fix a bug on ubuntu bugzilla, is there a ubuntu cvs or something like this to get the source of the product?
[04:01] <Arkainium> Why do my cdrom drives run in scsi generic/emulation mode when I use a sata hard drive?
[04:01] <mostrodibiscotti> ok
[04:01] <mostrodibiscotti> I see how synaptic works now
[04:01] <Moppin> I think it is just because some of us have been using Linux for a long time and GUI system management has a track record of being unreliable.
[04:01] <Moppin> But there are tools like synaptic I've warmed up to
[04:02] <crid0> jmjones: yes....apt-getting rocks. synaptic makes that move away from windoze more comfortable for some people i would think.
[04:02] <mostrodibiscotti> so far I have only the CD as a repository, am I thinking correctly that I could specify an internet repository and thus increase the software available to me via synaptic?
[04:02] <jmjones> i gotta say, #ubuntu channel rocks!
[04:03] <Jonax> That's common knowledge, jm ;)
[04:03] <Jonax> mostrodibiscotti, absolutely.  In fact, it's in the Unofficial Ubuntu Guide (give me a sec for a link)
[04:03] <ripok> Has anyone got problem with Cisco vpn client and ubuntu using ssh connection over vpn?
[04:03] <ploum> Hello
[04:04] <ploum> I have to install Ubuntu on a laptop with 128Mo of Ram only
[04:04] <crid0> mostrodibiscotti: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories  [fun, and quite easy to do.] 
[04:04] <Jonax> mostrodibiscotti: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[04:04] <nalioths_dog> mostrodibiscotti: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:04] <nalioths_dog> mostrodibiscotti: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[04:04] <ploum> do you have any advices ?
[04:04] <thierry> if I want to fix a bug on ubuntu bugzilla, is there a ubuntu cvs or something like this to get the source of the product?
[04:04] <nalioth> Jonax: don't say it
[04:04] <Jonax> Beep beep?
[04:04] <nalioths_dog> Jonax: Please do not advise ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead.  Item 3 here explains why https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[04:04] <jtan325__> why does my IP address change each time i log on
[04:05] <jmjones> ploum: do it
[04:05] <Jonax> D'oh - Roger
[04:05] <jmjones> ploum: you may want to go with a lighter window manager like fluxbox....
[04:05] <ploum> jmjones, it's not for me
[04:05] <ploum> So I must keep Gnome
[04:05] <nalioth> Jonax: it seems 'the quick and easy path leads to the dark side"
[04:05] <ploum> thierry, which bug, for example ?
[04:05] <jtan325__> fluxbox is awesome, i use it right now
[04:06] <jtan325__> but why does my IP address change each time i log on?
[04:06] <jtan325__> and what is "hostname"?
[04:06] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: read what nalioths_dog sent to you
[04:06] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: stay away from ubuntuguide
[04:06] <crid0> nalioths_dog: thanks for the wiki...i had not read this yet.
[04:06] <mostrodibiscotti> ok, will do
[04:07] <jmjones> ploum: you may be fine with gnome....but that's going to eat up every last ounce of ram you got.....
[04:07] <Jonax> jtan325__: Your ISP is likely giving you a dynamic IP each time you log onto the internet
[04:07] <mostrodibiscotti> you people are awesome
[04:07] <mostrodibiscotti> this has been so much easier than mandrake
[04:08] <holycow> what is the url for the menu editor created by someone in here?
[04:08] <ploum> jmjones, I will try the live CD to have an idea
[04:08] <Jonax> Well Ubuntu is about community ;)
[04:08] <nalioth> holycow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[04:08] <jmjones> ploum: good idea
[04:08] <Jonax> Besides, the help is pretty good here - You have no idea how long I took cursing various distros and trying to get audio on my laptop ;)
[04:10] <jtan325__> Jonax, doesn't that make it inconvenient to do things like remote desktop?
[04:10] <jtan325__> and ssh
[04:10] <xophEr> How do I 'lock' the desktop icon size? So that if I change the icon to a custom one and the icon-picture is e.g. 75x75 pixels large, it will still be only 48x48?
[04:11] <Exposure> where can i find which modules are loaded on boot?
[04:11] <Exposure> some kind of modules.autoload
[04:11] <xophEr> /etc/modules
[04:11] <Exposure> ok, i think that didn't get updated when i built a new kernel :\
[04:11] <thierry> ploum, bug 9145
[04:12] <thierry> ploum, I'm a newbie for solving bugs so I prefer helping with easy stuff, like typos
[04:13] <crid0> i'd like to install a low-latency kernel on an ubuntu box for audio work. anyone tried this yet?
[04:14] <bkv> my cd drives bust and i was going to install off my network, but could i put the install files on my xp partition and install off that?
[04:14] <_blaz> i have a question about vmware
[04:14] <kbrooks> ask
[04:14] <_blaz> can anybody help me
[04:14] <nalioth> bkv: want a slightly longer way to do it?
[04:14] <anacron> hahaa! i got my official ubuntu cd:s yesterday
[04:14] <_blaz> thanks
[04:15] <bkv> i want the easiest way i can get nalioth
[04:15] <_blaz> i have installed windows
[04:15] <_blaz> and the work ok
[04:15] <nalioth> bkv: you got a floppy?
[04:15] <bkv> yeah
[04:15] <nalioth> bkv: go to debian, and find a woody floppy image for net installation
[04:15] <_blaz> how can I see stuff that are saved in "windows"
[04:15] <_blaz> in linux
[04:15] <nalioth> bkv: install a minimal woody system, and change the sources.list to ubuntu sources
[04:16] <nalioth> bkv: after you update/upgrade, you'll have ubuntu
[04:16] <bkv> and it'll install off the internet?
[04:16] <nalioth> bkv: yes, there are 'net install" woody floppy images
[04:16] <bkv> how many floppies is that then, not sure i've got any
[04:16] <Discipulus> anyone in here smoke weed?
[04:16] <nalioth> bkv: 2 or 3, i believe
[04:17] <crid0> Disciplus: yes...YOU
[04:17] <bkv> okay i'll look into it, thanks
[04:17] <adwait> heh
[04:17] <Discipulus> crid0, no I don't
[04:17] <teemu__> how do I set who is allowed to access the samba share?
[04:17] <jmjones> Discipulus: why are you asking
[04:17] <nalioth> bkv: just make sure its WOODY images, sarge, sid, or etch won't work
[04:17] <jmjones> what does that have to do with ubuntu?
[04:17] <Discipulus> jmjones, because I read somewhere that 75% of the US Population smokes weed
[04:17] <jmjones> you should be asking in a windows channel - *they're* the ones who have to be smoking weed
[04:17] <bkv> http://kopete.creativa.cl/debian/woody/ that is it?
[04:18] <Discipulus> I wanna see how many people that I associate with actually do
[04:18] <Discipulus> jmjones, hehe
[04:18] <adwait> hmm
[04:18] <nalioth> bkv: i'm not sure, let me look
[04:18] <jmjones> Discipulus: yeah - and over 75% of the population are on windows - i see a corrulation  :-)
[04:18] <xophEr> how do I resize desktop icons in gnome?
[04:18] <bkv> so i use the floppies on startup, it puts woody on there, i change the sources file and it starts downloading ubuntu onto the machine...
[04:18] <nalioth> bkv: yes
[04:18] <nikkia> Discipulus: 105% of statistics are BS
[04:18] <crid0> teemu_: this may or may not help you. the newest Linux Journal has an in-depth LDAP article in it. wish i knew more.
[04:18] <nalioth> bkv: you're basically installing enough debian to use the internet and have apt-get run
[04:19] <bkv> when i put debian on there i'll use the free space on the hdd to make a linux partiition right, i'm not going to lose xp just yet?
[04:19] <adwait> 76.45% of statistics are randomly made up
[04:19] <kbrooks> no, provided grub is there
[04:20] <Discipulus> nikkia, no they aren't.
[04:20] <nalioth> bkv: go here http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst
[04:20] <Discipulus> nikkia, 9 out of 10 dentists agree that the 10th dentist is an idiot
[04:20] <nalioth> bkv: yes, you will use your free space, windows should be fine
[04:20] <bkv> i just hope it works, this is a laptop but it should find the network card, hopefully
[04:20] <nalioth> bkv: don't forget the swap partition (can be automagically created by selecting 'use free space')
[04:21] <nalioth> bkv: wired network card?
[04:21] <nikkia> Discipulus: i think you'll find its 10 out of 10 dentists agree the 10th dentist is an idiot
[04:21] <teemu__> why does ubuntu use this worthless samba client ffs!?
[04:21] <bkv> i have pcmcia but i'll have to use a cable wont i
[04:21] <nalioth> bkv: probably so
[04:22] <nikkia> adwait: i use windows, i'm not nuts
[04:22] <bkv> i'd rather set up an ftp on one of my pcs, it'll save a few hours of downloading but will it work?
[04:22] <nalioth> adwait: thought that was 11 out of 10 windows users....
[04:22] <jmjones> nikkia: windows doesn't make you nuts?
[04:22] <jmjones> man - it drives me up the friggin wall!!!!
[04:22] <adwait> lol nalioth
[04:22] <nalioth> bkv: i think it won't take long changing the sources.list
[04:22] <nikkia> jmjones: no, not really, i don't LIKE using it, its a second, actually third, choice, but i do have to use it regularly
[04:22] <adwait> nikkia: u gotta use it for certain games and stuff.........but otherwise its pretty much useles
[04:22] <Tsar_vonHumbug> 3 out of every 2 people are innumerate :p
[04:22] <jtan325__> can i set my hostname to anything i want?
[04:23] <bkv> it'll get 700mb off the internet though that takes at least 4 hours on my pc
[04:23] <adwait> jtan325__:yeah
[04:23] <jtan325__> ii am not understanding these vocabulary terms, hostname, domainname...
[04:23] <nalioth> bkv: not so
[04:23] <adwait> hostname = name of ur computer on the lan
[04:23] <adwait> domanname= name of ur computer on the net......eg www.yahoo.com (i think....)
[04:23] <jtan325__> and it makes no difference what i set it to?
[04:23] <nalioth> bkv: when you get the minimal debian on your system, and changet the sources list, it'll only d/l waht makes the base ubuntu x-system
[04:23] <bkv> ooh, i just thought, onec debian is on there, can i connect my usb/firewire dvd drive and install off that?
[04:24] <adwait> jtan325__: if u rnt on a LAN, no
[04:24] <nikkia> adwait, actually, it probably won't make any difference what he sets it to even if he is on a lan
[04:24] <nalioth> bkv: imho, the simplest method is best (i don't think the netinst debian has firewrie/usb capability)
[04:24] <nikkia> adwait: as the default behaviour of dhclient isn't to push the hostname anyway, as far as i can tell
[04:24] <adwait> nikkia: well if other computers hv to access his, then hostname makes a difference.......or if a particular hostname is already in use
[04:25] <adwait> nikkia: hmm...not much idea really
[04:25] <nikkia> adwait, there is no concept of 'hostname conflicts' on LANs, only IP conflicts
[04:25] <bkv> right, i'll try it out once i find a net cable
[04:25] <nikkia> if a hostname is already in use, a dhcp server that accepts hostname pushes will either ignore the duplicate, or assign it a random hostname
[04:25] <adwait> nikkia: hmm/........so wht if if i enter the hostname "a" and there are two computers by tht name.....which one do i connect to?
[04:26] <bkv> if it doesnt work i'll be left with my normal xp system minus some hd space, right, no damage?
[04:26] <nalioth> adwait: why would you name 2 computers on your LAN the same name?
[04:26] <nikkia> adwait, it depends entirely on the method you use to resolve hostnames->IP
[04:26] <adwait> nalioth: just for argument sake
[04:26] <nalioth> bkv: yes, pretty much, just have a bootloader that should put you into windows
[04:26] <adwait> nikkia: hmm....k
[04:27] <nikkia> adwait, if you don't have 'a' defined in any way in /etc/hosts, it depends on the implementation of your DNS server, if you're using a DNS/dhcp server that accepts hostname pushing, it will depend entirely upon how they've implemented it, there is no hard rule
[04:27] <nalioth> unome: dja get my msg yestern?
[04:27] <adwait> nikkia: k
[04:27] <ripok> Has anyone got problem with Cisco vpn client and ubuntu using ssh connection over vpn?
[04:27] <bkv> nalioth, is that that grub thing? i put a floppy with grub on it and i can still use windows?
[04:28] <unome> nalioth, no sir
[04:28] <nalioth> bkv: more likely, you can fdisk the /mbr to clean grub off
[04:28] <nalioth> unome: you asked me to check a apache function
[04:28] <tritium> ripok, try using vpnc instead of Cisco's vpn client.
[04:29] <ripok> tritium: does it work with all cisco vpn hardware?
[04:29] <unome> nalioth, yes I remember, didnt get a response so I assumed you were busy
[04:29] <nalioth> unome: i responded with "timed out"
[04:29] <tritium> ripok, most, if not all
[04:30] <unome> ah .. thanks :)
[04:33] <Aragorn_Guardian> how i install java? what is needed?
[04:33] <nalioths_dog> Aragorn_Guardian: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[04:33] <Aragorn_Guardian> what packages...
[04:33] <Aragorn_Guardian> nice...thanks
[04:35] <tritium> nalioth, nice dog ;)
[04:35] <nalioth> tritium: saves his master from carpal tunnel
[04:35] <tritium> :)
[04:41] <marlijs> d
[04:41] <faya> did you see the ##lonndon channel
[04:42] <pdkl> what would be a fairly good MP3 Audio CD Ripper for lets say 20 CDs
[04:43] <nalioth> pdkl: grip
[04:43] <mostrodibiscotti> I run Exchange server 2003, and so far, in Ububtu I only see Outlook Web Access as a means to connect to mail.  Is there a linux based mail client that connects tu exchange server, but not using Pop or IMAP?
[04:44] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: look at evolution
[04:44] <tritium> mostrodibiscotti, but evolution requires OWA
[04:45] <Jonax> Suppose a package was installed but it didn't leave an entry in the GNOME menu.  How can I find where it is?
[04:45] <mostrodibiscotti> so I guess nothing exists that connects to exchange the wqay outlook does?
[04:45] <Nermal> well no
[04:46] <Nermal> it's a closed protocoll
[04:46] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Jonax, take a look in /bin & /sbin
[04:46] <tritium> Jonax, dpkg -L <packagename>
[04:46] <Nermal> exchange doesn't use pop or imap iirc
[04:46] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: i think tritium is saying outlook web access plus outlook
[04:46] <Nermal> use the exchange connector
[04:46] <tritium> Jonax, that will list all the files in the package
[04:46] <Nermal> for evolution
[04:46] <MdkLnx> hi everyone!!!
[04:46] <nalioth> damn i cant type
[04:46] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: evolution + outlook web access
[04:47] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: n/m see what nermal said
[04:47] <tritium> Yes, evolution can conect to exchange servers if they enable outlook web access, using the exchange connector
[04:47] <osity> i forgot my root....i have complete and full access to the box....what are my options please.....
[04:47] <nalioth> i just know that evolution can connect to exchange (but not the nuts and bolts)
[04:47] <unome> janox you can also search with apt-file, sudo apt-get install apt-file
[04:47] <nalioth> osity: you don't have a root
[04:48] <osity> i am a user.....but i forgot my root password..
[04:48] <Jonax> tritium: Thanks a lot :)
[04:48] <mostrodibiscotti> ok
[04:48] <tritium> Jonax, :)
[04:48] <Jonax> Yay for ScummVM ;)
[04:48] <egg|patented> flash vm?
[04:48] <nalioth> osity: have you enabled a root account?
[04:48] <osity> im using mandrake on this particular box...
[04:48] <Gourami> Hi all, quick question, I have a ubuntu pc that has no monitor connected, when I vnc to that machine though I can only get 640x480, if I have a monitor connected I can get 1280x1024 ?
[04:48] <nalioth> osity: ah, well then
[04:49] <nalioth> osity: you are out of luck
[04:49] <osity> i use ubuntu on my other box
[04:49] <osity> really?
[04:49] <egg|patented> flash had a vm in it ... so small and so fast
[04:49] <marlijs> to osity I think tah in ubuntuguide.org there was solution for your problem
[04:49] <osity> i have access to everything
[04:49] <osity> physically i mean
[04:49] <nalioth> osity: you'd have to resinstall to get rid of the current root pwd, i believe
[04:49] <Jonax> egg|patented: If you're talking to me, nah ScummVM - A virtual machine used for playing the old LucasArts games :D
[04:49] <Whistler> what is lirc?
[04:50] <tritium> osity, try rebooting into single-user mode, and then changing root's password (on the Mandrake box)
[04:50] <egg|patented> Lua language?
[04:50] <nalioth> !info lirc
[04:50] <ubotu> lirc: (Linux Infra-red Remote Control support), section universe/utils, is extra. Version: 0.7.0.1-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 253 kB, Installed size: 1368 kB
[04:50] <osity> tritium: how do you boot in single user mode...?
[04:50] <tweakism> What do I apt-get install to get build tools?  (like make...)
[04:50] <nalioth> osity: rescue mode from grub
[04:50] <tritium> osity, ^^^
[04:50] <nalioth> tweakism: apt-get install build-essential
[04:50] <osity> tritium: and then do i do it in the gui?
[04:50] <egg|patented> uh^H^H
[04:51] <tritium> osity, no, command line
[04:51] <tweakism> ah, k, couldn't find it 'cause I was typing build-essentials
[04:51] <nalioth> osity: and then i suggest you learn about sudoers and start using that method on the mandrake box
[04:51] <Jonax> tweakism: If you ever can't find a needed package, try "apt-cache search <search term>"
[04:51] <tweakism> Jonax: Check out the results from apt-cache search build.
[04:51] <nalioth> osity: or convert it to ubuntu
[04:52] <Jonax> Helps a lot, especially when packages are named slightly different from in guides
[04:52] <tweakism> it's like 200 packages.
[04:52] <tweakism> packages need better descriptions.
[04:52] <Jonax> tweakism: It's like Google - The more specific the better ;)
[04:52] <osity> tritium: thanks
[04:52] <tweakism> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg-dev_1.10.27ubuntu1_all.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[04:52] <tritium> osity, no problem.  Good luck
[04:52] <Jonax> Try "essential" instead :)
[04:52] <nalioth> tritium: i do purty good for a PPC only user, heh
[04:52] <tritium> nalioth, you rock!
[04:52] <nalioth> tweakism: the us repos are wonky today
[04:53] <tweakism> k.
[04:54] <tritium> nalioth, I'll probably become a PPC user soon.  I'm still only running OS X 10.4.1 on my new 20" iMac G5.
[04:55] <tritium> (well, it's my wife's machine)
[04:55] <blk> is there an alsa-compatible external soundcard (usb, fw) - i especially want SPDIF output
[04:55] <nalioth> tritium: i'm fixin to buy a G5 imac, and ironically, i'll probably never use tiger on it
[04:56] <nalioth> tritium: just make sure you have an ethernet jack close by
[04:56] <tritium> nalioth, wow, not at all?
[04:56] <tritium> yeah, no airport extreme support...
[04:56] <Gourami> Hi all, quick question, I have a ubuntu pc that has no monitor connected, when I vnc to that machine though I can only get 640x480, if I have a monitor connected I can get 1280x1024 ?
[04:56] <nalioth> tritium: why would i use OSX, when i can watch ubuntu Shmoke on it?
[04:56] <tritium> nalioth, good point :)
[04:57] <nalioth> tritium: i havent booted into OSX since i put ubuntu on (back in the warty days)
[04:57] <G|immer> hello all
[04:57] <nalioth> Gourami: you'll probably need to put a head on it and adjust your settings once
[04:57] <tritium> nalioth, oh, I'm surprised.  I thought you did.
[04:57] <nalioth> tritium: i have no need to
[04:58] <pdkl>  my cdrom on my laptop is acting slow on ripping cds
[04:58] <pdkl> any ideas on speeding it up?
[04:58] <tritium> pdkl, enable dma, perhaps
[04:58] <Gourami> nalioth, that would mean that I can't reboot it :(
[04:58] <nalioth> Gourami: i don't understand
[04:59] <G|immer> i have a GLib problem. I cannot find the dev package anywhere in the package program, and the necessary header files for compiling programs are not found
[04:59] <Gourami> nalioth, I have had it connected to a monitor, took the monitor elsewhere and then switched it on whithout a monitor with the intention to vnc and it has reverted to 640x480 as max
[05:00] <Gourami> is if no monitor detected only allows 640x480
[05:00] <elephant_bird> Hey.
[05:00] <Gourami> with the monitor it was 1280x1024
[05:00] <lesshaste>  how do I delete everything below a certain point in emacs?
[05:00] <nalioth> Gourami: i see. do you have to vnc into it? or can you work it via ssh?
[05:00] <elephant_bird> How do set up my modem under Ubuntu?
[05:00] <G|immer> hello elephant_bird
[05:00] <tritium> nalioth, I'll be away for a while.  Please ping me if anything comes up?
[05:00] <Gourami> I dont   know ssh, no idea how
[05:01] <nalioth> tritium: ping, scream, smoke signal
[05:01] <tritium> yeah ;)
[05:01] <nalioth> !info ssh
[05:01] <ubotu> ssh: (Secure shell client and server (transitional package)), section net, is standard. Version: 1:3.9p1-1ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 72 kB
[05:01] <nalioth> Gourami: ssh is your friend as far as remote administration
[05:01] <Gourami> nalioth,  does that only allow terminal or desktop ?
[05:02] <elephant_bird> What is DHCP?
[05:02] <nalioth> Gourami: a default ssh session is text only, but you can get fancy with ssh tunnels + vnc
[05:02] <nalioth> elephant_bird: dynamic host c(somethin) process
[05:03] <Gourami> nalioth, thanks, good reference for me to read up ?
[05:03] <elephant_bird> It fails when I install Ubuntu.
[05:03] <nalioth> Gourami: i think so, i think every *nix user should be familiar with ssh
[05:03] <nalioth> Gourami: built into ssh is sftp and scp
[05:03] <chrissturm>  where does zsh store its history?
[05:03] <nalioth> elephant_bird: that would be your router, or isp, i believe
[05:03] <elephant_bird> What do I have to do to configure my modem?
[05:03] <bkv> anyone had experience with linux and tv cards?
[05:04] <osity> is raid 1 easier to setup in mandrake than it is in ubuntu?
[05:04] <marlijs> i have configured bttv
[05:04] <nalioth> chrissturm: perhaps in ~/.zsh_history?
[05:04] <G|immer> can someone tell me why i cannot find libglib-2.0-dev on my system?
[05:04] <jtan325__> i just edited my /etc/ssh/ssh_config file, how do i "reload" it?
[05:04] <marlijs> bkv: what do you want to do?
[05:04] <nalioth> osity: should be the same procedure for both
[05:04] <jago> can any one helpme I can share a folder on kde
[05:05] <nalioth> G|immer: does it show up in synaptic?
[05:05] <bkv> well i just thought i might get one some day, i used to have one on windows but it crashed so much and since linux is meant to be so great, might finally be time to get a new tv card
[05:05] <chrissturm> nalioth, nope, i have no files that contain zsh in my homedir
[05:05] <nalioth> chrissturm: then i'm not sure. are you looking at invisibile files?
[05:05] <elephant_bird> Where do I go in Ubuntu to set up my modem?
[05:05] <egg|patented> zsh?
[05:05] <G|immer> nalioth: nope! that's the prob. it is nowhere to be found and a friend asured me is should be there.
[05:05] <egg|patented> zsh == bash ?
[05:05] <marlijs> i have old pixelview play tv pro - it wasnt so hard to get work it
[05:05] <nalioth> G|immer: then touch one and see if it 'takes'
[05:06] <bkv> it works all the time then no matter how much fiddling you do?
[05:06] <nalioth> egg|patented: another shell, yes
[05:06] <marlijs> bkv - yeap :)
[05:06] <egg|patented> nalioth, from ibm?
[05:06] <nalioth> elephant_bird: you can start here
[05:06] <nalioth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[05:06] <chrissturm> nalioth, sure.
[05:07] <nalioth> egg|patented: i'm not sure about other shells
[05:07] <elephant_bird> Thanks.
[05:07] <nalioth> elephant_bird: if you don't find it, the wiki is full of all kinds of info
[05:07] <egg|patented> sh,ash,ksh,csh,tcsh,bash,zsh
[05:07] <G|immer> nalioth: what u mean? try to compile?
[05:08] <nalioth> G|immer: i missent a msg to you instead of chrissturm
[05:08] <G|immer> lol
[05:08] <jtan325__> if i edited my /etc/ssh/ssh_config file, how do i "reload" the changes"
[05:08] <tweakism> Where should /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build point?
[05:08] <Moppin> jtan325__, 'sudo /etc/init.d/sshd restart'
[05:08] <nalioth> G|immer: search synaptic for the main name of the file
[05:09] <nalioth> jtan325__: should be read the next time you invoke ssh
[05:09] <nalioth> jtan325__: ssh or ssh-server?
[05:09] <jtan325__> ssh
[05:09] <jtan325__> so i don't need to do ssh -X
[05:10] <jtan325__> i enabled X11 forwarding by default in /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[05:10] <jtan325__> Moppin, doesn't that restart the server side?
[05:10] <jtan325__> or is "ssh daemon"
[05:10] <nalioth> jtan325__: you mean you don't like typing all taht stuff each time?
[05:10] <nalioth> jtan325__: Moppin have you the sshd answer
[05:11] <Moppin> jtan325__, Yes, that restarts the server.
[05:11] <zooko> Greetings, people of #ubuntu!  Does anybody know what I did in yesterday's dist-upgrade such that alt-B no longer goes back a word on my bash cmdline, but instead appends a "b" ?
[05:11] <jtan325__> and actually, there's only /etc/init.d/ssh, no /etc/init.d/sshd
[05:11] <nalioth> jtan325__: it's all over my head
[05:11] <Moppin> jtan325__, sorry I didn't read your full question :0
[05:11] <nalioth> jtan325__: i just poke the keys and things happen
[05:12] <jtan325__> haha. ok my question: i edited my /etc/ssh/ssh_config, i want to "referesh" the client side ssh to incorporate those changes. how?
[05:12] <holycow> zooko, alt/b should actually bring down the pulldown menu in command line window
[05:13] <jtan325__> similiar to /etc/init.d/ssh restart, but this is for the ssh client, not server
[05:13] <Moppin> jtan325__, ah... okay, everytime you run ssh it re-reads that file
[05:13] <nalioth> jtan325__: did you see my answer above?
[05:13] <jtan325__> hmmm
[05:13] <nameless1> i changed my mysql root password and typed it wrong... forgot what i typed... i have been had like 12hours sleep in the last 5or6 days or so, you figure. ANYWAY it ried uninstallin mysql to remove the root pass but it wont change back to default can someone help me out
[05:14] <Moppin> jtan325__, so you did something like enable X forwarding and it's not working?
[05:14] <jtan325__> exactly
[05:14] <jtan325__> i still have to do the -X option
[05:14] <nalioth> jtan325__: make an alias
[05:14] <Moppin> jtan325__, that is something that has to be allowd by the sshd on the server you are connecting to as well.
[05:14] <jtan325__> oh wait
[05:14] <jtan325__> i don't know how to spell
[05:14] <nalioth> jtan325__: you are being too technical
[05:14] <jtan325__> that's the proble
[05:14] <jtan325__> m
[05:14] <jtan325__> i don't freaking know how to spell "yes"
[05:14] <jtan325__> "ye"
[05:14] <jtan325__> MEDIEVAL TIMES
[05:15] <jtan325__> i apologize for my insolence
[05:15] <nalioth> jtan325__: did i miss something?
[05:15] <jtan325__> hmm
[05:15] <jtan325__> that still doesn't work though
[05:15] <G|immer> nalioth: it is not in the Synaptic Packager. i found it on the ubuntu online packages list and am downloading.. but, should it not be on the install CD? if so, in what folder?
[05:15] <Whistler> does anybody know where i can get irrecord?
[05:15] <jtan325__> Moppin, what are you saying?
[05:16] <nameless1> i changed my mysql root password and typed it wrong... forgot what i typed... i have been had like 12hours sleep in the last 5or6 days or so, you figure. ANYWAY it ried uninstallin mysql to remove the root pass but it wont change back to default can someone help me out
[05:16] <nalioth> G|immer: the install cd doesnt have a lot of 'non-desktop' packages
[05:16] <jtan325__> that on the sshd box i need to set an option in /etc/ssh/sshd_config?
[05:16] <nalioth> G|immer: and if you see it on the web, you should see it in your apt-cache
[05:16] <G|immer> nalioth: ic. ok then, after download, can i add it to Synaptic? and how.
[05:16] <nalioth> jtan325__: that is what he is saying
[05:17] <nalioth> G|immer: you should see it in synaptic NOW
[05:17] <Moppin> jtan325__, yes, the /etc/ssh/sshd_config you need to make sure "X11Forwarding yes" is there.
[05:17] <jtan325__> it's there
[05:18] <Moppin> jtan325__, in your ssh session can you just type 'xterm' and have it displayed? or are you getting an error message?
[05:18] <jtan325__> error message
[05:19] <jtan325__> hmmmm
[05:20] <G|immer> nalioth: it does not. is there a particular place i should put the deb file in?
[05:20] <Moppin> jtan325__, we are in dark waters now.  I don't really have another box here to do testing with.
[05:20] <nalioth> G|immer: no, you can install it from anywhere
[05:20] <nalioth> G|immer: and put it where you want ot keep it for later, or delete it after
[05:21] <zooko> holycow: I'm not running gnome-anything.  There are no menus.
[05:21] <jtan325__> ok well thanks anyway guys
[05:21] <zooko> Just an xserver, an xterm, and bash.
[05:21] <nalioth> G|immer: "sudo dpkg -i <pkgname.deb>
[05:22] <nalioth> zooko: you are hardcore
[05:22] <Aragorn_Guardian> nalioth: i get the jre.bin from sun, but i dont have make-dpkg... 8(
[05:22] <zooko> I'm sure it isn't the xserver, so either the xterm or bash.  Or screen.  One of those three is responsible for changing my Alt-B from "go back one word" to "append a 'b'".
[05:22] <G|immer> nalioth: thanks, u were reading my thoughts. lol
[05:22] <Aragorn_Guardian> whats the safest way to do?
[05:22] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: call upon apt to help you out
[05:22] <zooko> nalioth: ;-)  Thanks, but I'm not TRULY hardcore until I understand what happened to my Alt-B when I dist-upgraded...
[05:22] <Aragorn_Guardian> thanks
[05:22] <nalioth> zooko: windows ate it    :)
[05:22] <G|immer> and... my sympathy to anyone who had to experience what happened today in London. Sad indeed. peace to all.
[05:23] <zooko> .. and I admit that I actually have a window manager in addition to x server, xterm, bash, and screen.  The window manager is ratpoison.  :-0
[05:23] <nalioth> mmmmm ratpoison
[05:23] <phlange> anyone that can please tell me how to get to my other harddrive once i've got it mounted in /mnt
[05:23] <phlange> i don't have any permissions whatsoever to access /mnt
[05:24] <inemo> G|immer: yeah, I thought it was a spoof site when I read it over my mates shoulder
[05:24] <nameless1> can someone help me PLZ i need to reset my mysql password and reinstalling mysql DOES NOT do that, HOW CAN I DO THIS. i accidently chagned it and forgot what i changed it to or typed it wrong beucase i was tired PLZ HELP i dont want to have to format
[05:24] <nalioth> phlange: have you been to https://wiki.ubuntu.com?
[05:24] <G|immer> inemo: :-S
[05:24] <inemo> G|immer: you in UK?
[05:24] <phlange> might have i've been to lots of places
[05:24] <phlange> this is all new and confusing to me
[05:25] <Aragorn_Guardian> ubuntu goes to a pendrive?
[05:25] <Aragorn_Guardian> is possible?
[05:25] <G|immer> inemo: no. far from there. but i have friends there, also my best friend is on vacation there and i do not know anything about him now. :(
[05:25] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: not sure
[05:27] <nalioth> zooko: d/g to hoary? are you playing with breezy?
[05:27] <Arkainium> I can't burn anything with gnomebaker because for some reason it defaults to /dev/sg0 as the device, so it can't open it.  My cdrom drive should be /dev/sg1
[05:28] <inemo> G|immer: sorry to hear that
[05:28] <zooko> nalioth: yes.
[05:28] <nalioth> zooko: the /topic meant nothing to you? lol
[05:29] <jeroen_> Arkainium, have you tried the preferences?
[05:29] <jeroen_> Devices tab
[05:29] <Arkainium> jeroen_, yea, everything is set correctly.  but when I actually start to burn, it just defaults to /dev/sg0
[05:29] <jeroen_> Arkainium, and when you click 'okay' does it begin to burn? It does here
[05:29] <G|immer> inemo: thanks.
[05:30] <zooko> nalioth: hey, if nobody uses it, then how will all the bugs get found?
[05:30] <jeroen_> Arkainium, it always gives an error that it can't use /media/cdrom, then I click okay, and it starts burning to /media/cdrecorder
[05:30] <jeroen_> zooko, :)
[05:30] <jeroen_> zooko, there really are a lot of Breezy bugs
[05:30] <Arkainium> jeroen_, I don't mean that error.  I get Error trying to open /dev/sg0 exclusively.  /dev/sg0 is the generic scsi device for my hard drive.
[05:30] <jeroen_> Arkainium, I don't know. File a bug
[05:31] <G|immer> hey, anyone knows of a way to make Totem play DivX video? I installed the DivX codec from DivX website.
[05:35] <BeefTube> are there still problems with AMD64 hoary? last time I tried to install it would not let me install the grub to the MBR thus leaveing my computer unusable for a day untill I could download a diffrent distro to fix the MBR... TIA for any info :)
[05:36] <BeefTube> I am shopping for a distro for my 64bit laptop
[05:36] <dockane> how do i find out, which network interface is used by ppp0 ?
[05:36] <BeefTube> I really enjoyed warty on my i686
[05:36] <Tsar_vonHumbug> dockane, ifconfig
[05:36] <pdkl> im going to AMD 64 saturday :O
[05:36] <jeroen_> BeefTube, you can install x86 on a amd64. I do that
[05:36] <pdkl> wonder how fast is it going to beeeee
[05:37] <mjr> BeefTube, I've had that problem, but it wasn't because of amd64 problems, it was that the bios didn't show the SATA drive as a BIOS drive
[05:37] <merriam> dockane: what do you mean?  ppp0 is an interface.
[05:37] <G|immer> dockane: on my pc ppp0 is used by PPPoE interface. not sure if that is standard.
[05:37] <Tsar_vonHumbug> dockane, oh if it's ppp - it'll be your modem port unless you mean pppoe? when it'll be whichever eth port you route from
[05:37] <jtan325__> if i edited my /etc/ssh/ssh_config (note: client, not server), how do i "reload" the changes
[05:37] <BeefTube> yea, I have to install the 64 bit version, then the 32 bit version somehow... think we chroot the stuff that dont work in 64bit...
[05:37] <_linuxAS_> BeefTube, I've hoary in a amd64 laptop working fine
[05:37] <BeefTube> ok thanks mjr :)
[05:38] <jeroen_> jtan325__, my guess: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[05:38] <BeefTube> cool linuxAS thanks for the info
[05:38] <dockane> i just would like to know to which iface  my dsl modem (pppoe)  is conecetd
[05:38] <nalioth> jtan325__: it will read it when you issue 'ssh' command
[05:38] <catfox> hi all. i've got a hardware related problem. i've got my laptop wired to a router, but i want it wireless. so i bought a wireless bridge. is that the right hardware to go between my router and my wlan card?
[05:38] <grogoreo> hi
[05:38] <BeefTube> isnt ppp for dialup... think you need eth1 or eth0 for DSL... I may be wrong tho
[05:39] <jtan325__> haha nalioth, it still doesn't work
[05:39] <jeroen_> BeefTube, eth is for ethernet
[05:39] <frank_dot> dockane: probably ppp0
[05:39] <jtan325__> and jeroen_ that restarts the server
[05:39] <merriam> catfox: probably.  What hardware do you have exactly?
[05:39] <grogoreo> I'm using the command line FTP and want to upload a foler containing other sub-folders and files but how can i do it? put seems to be just for files
[05:39] <jeroen_> jtan325__, oh, alright
[05:39] <nalioth> BeefTube: ppp is for dialup, pppoe is ppp Over Ethernet
[05:39] <jeroen_> jtan325__, maybe try reading man ssh
[05:39] <zooko> BeefTube: I run ubuntu-amd-64 just fine.  Only problem is that upgrading to breezy broke my Alt-B command.  ;-)
[05:39] <BeefTube> oh! I see... thanks for the corrections
[05:39] <zooko> BeefTube: Well, there's also issues with non-free software, but you can workaround it.
[05:39] <frank_dot> BeefTube: I have pppoe and my interface is still ppp0
[05:40] <zooko> I run two non-free apps here by dint of 32-bit extra libs.
[05:40] <catfox> merriam, the bridge is a d-link dwl-810. the wlan card is supported by ndiswrapper and does work(used it at the office).
[05:40] <nalioth> jtan325__: do the lazy thing: make an alias for your ssh
[05:40] <dockane> my dear friends : i ve got 2 network cards. all i would like to know is, if eth0 OR eht1 is connected to my dslmodem. imho ifconfig does not offer this information ?
[05:40] <Moppin> grogoreo, I don't think on the basic CLI FTP you can do whole directories and sub-directories.  I know you can with ncftp (which is what I use)
[05:40] <jeroen_> BeefTube, if you have an dsl-modem, you could be connected to it via ethernet, so you would have eth0
[05:40] <catfox> merriam, the problem is, under linux i can't connect to the bridge at all to configure it, but i can in win xp. but when i DO configure it, i can't get a signal from it at all. in either windows or linux
[05:40] <grogoreo> Moppin - ok, thank you
[05:41] <BeefTube> yea jeroen, both my computers are ethernet.. I did not know that about ppp :)
[05:41] <merriam> catfox: can't you reach it wired?
[05:41] <catfox> merriam, the router? yeah, but i want to set up wireless so i can get more than one laptop to connect to it
[05:42] <catfox> merriam, oh, the bridge? when i connect and try to view it in a browser, i can't get to the device
[05:42] <nalioth> catfox: is your wireless card supported under ubuntu?
[05:42] <catfox> nalioth, not in the kernel, i use ndiswrapper
[05:42] <merriam> catfox: what bridge is it?  You should be able to set it up through wired ethernet and the router.
[05:42] <nalioth> catfox: so you can connect to other APs? like starbux or whatever?
[05:42] <catfox> merriam, yeah i've tried to set it up in linux but can't. it's a d-link DWL-810+
[05:42] <phlange> yay got printer to work!
[05:43] <catfox> nalioth, yeah at my office, i can connect to the router there with my ndiswrapper'd wlan card
[05:43] <BeefTube> does ubuntu have advanced mame, or Xmame? I am getting a bunch of legal roms from buying a  Hotstick (lots of old capcom and williams games)
[05:43] <BeefTube> want to make a cabinate
[05:43] <nalioth> catfox: i dont know what a wireless bridge is. i have always used wireless routers
[05:44] <catfox> nalioth, i was told it turns any wired ethernet device into a wireless one.
[05:44] <Moppin> nalioth, basicly it is an access point only.
[05:44] <BeefTube> I think it would look better... me running a Linux system rather than a windows system for my l337 game cabinate 8)
[05:44] <phlange> hmm
[05:44] <nalioth> catfox: so it is plugged into your wired router or directly into your modem?
[05:45] <phlange> does firefox just close for anyone else when they try to print something from it?
[05:45] <BeefTube> I am going to put a Xbox inside it with a KVM switch
[05:45] <catfox> Moppin, so the bridge should be set up in "Infrastructure" mode? (i have it set that way)
[05:45] <phlange> i printed from a text file just fine
[05:45] <BeefTube> the Xbox is going to run linux too
[05:45] <catfox> when i try to configure it, i connect my eth0 on my laptop directly to the bridge
[05:45] <nalioth> catfox: i'm not sure what we are talking about. there are boxes that plug into your laptop (ethernet port) and capture the wireless data from another AP
[05:46] <catfox> nalioth, this is my current set up. laptop1 -> wired to -> router. but i want: laptop1 -> wireless -> bridge -> wired to router
[05:46] <merriam> phlange: printing worked last time I looked.
[05:46] <catfox> nalioth, but to configure the bridge, you need to connect directly to it: laptop1 -> wired to -> bridge
[05:47] <nalioth> catfox: does the bridge have its own IP on the lan?
[05:47] <catfox> nalioth, yeah the manual says the bridge's ip is 192.168.0.30
[05:48] <catfox> but in order to connect to it, my laptop needs to be assigned a static ip, so i do that, but i still can't ping the bridge.
[05:48] <merriam> catfox, nalioth: it's an ap.  It should have an ip.  You should be able to connect to it through the router to set it up.  I have a Netgear ap, and I can.
[05:49] <nalioth> catfox: merriam: thats what im thinking
[05:49] <nalioth> catfox: do you dual boot your lappy?
[05:49] <catfox> nalioth, yeah i've got xp on it too
[05:49] <nalioth> catfox: can XP see the bridge?
[05:49] <catfox> nalioth,  it can(when i assign my ethernet card a static ip, but not when it's dhcp)
[05:51] <nalioth> catfox: so right now, you're connected via ethernet to your router, and the bridge is plugged in too.
[05:51] <nalioth> catfox: can you ping/log into the router?
[05:51] <punkscum> hi all
[05:51] <catfox> nalioth, almost.i'm connected via eth to the router, but the bridge isn't connected since i only have 1 ethernet on this laptop and needed it to connect to irc
[05:52] <nalioth> catfox: how many ports does the router have?
[05:52] <catfox> nalioth, i can set up my other system and come here on that one, and boot my lappy into xp, if thats any use?
[05:52] <catfox> nalioth, 1 eth, 1 usb. can't get the usb one to work with linux
[05:52] <merriam> catfox: what router is it?
[05:52] <naelp> Erm, I cannot run any of the control applet? I try to run network, it says enter my password, i do. then nothing happens. When I try again i get a window saying "window returned status 1" in a box, and also stopped
[05:52] <punkscum> can annyone help me ?
[05:52] <catfox> bt voyager 205
[05:52] <nalioth> catfox: you are using the cable modem itself?
[05:52] <merriam> punkscum: maybe
[05:52] <naelp> child window returned status 1
[05:52] <nalioth> punkscum: ask a question
[05:52] <catfox> nalioth, it's a router with modem
[05:53] <punkscum> i'm trying to modify the PATH variable
[05:53] <naelp> Every system app gets that error :/
[05:53] <naelp> The normal apps load fine
[05:53] <jeroen_> naelp, are you allowed to do system tasks? Are you sure you're entering your password correctly?
[05:53] <nalioth> punkscum: did you search google first? or tldp.org?
[05:53] <jeroen_> !sudo
[05:53] <ubotu> [sudo]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:53] <punkscum> yes, but this is weird
[05:53] <Moppin> naelp, You get that message when the password is wrong.  That might be your problem.
[05:53] <merriam> catfox: your router may be causing the problem.  A proper ethernet router is much less trouble...
[05:53] <jeroen_> naelp, read what ubotu said
[05:54] <naelp> it is correct :/
[05:54] <jeroen_> naelp, is it *your* password, not the root password? Read what ubotu said
[05:54] <zooko> BeefTube: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=mame&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[05:54] <naelp> it is the same password i use for the user, and i can log the user on fine
[05:54] <dtygel> hi friends,
[05:54] <catfox> merriam, but the router isn't part of the equation yet. the problem is, once the bridge is configured, before i even reconnect my ruter, i can't get a signal from the bridge.
[05:54] <crid0> catfox: are yourunning from the cable/dsl router to a wireless router?
[05:54] <dtygel> can someone help me out with a screen resolution issue?
[05:54] <catfox> merriam, or wont it transmit a signal until it is conected to a router?
[05:54] <BeefTube> zooko thanks
[05:55] <punkscum> when i do nano /etc/profile and change some stuff into the PATH variable, the changes aren't visible
[05:55] <jeroen_> naelp, open a terminal and type in "gksudo synaptic" see what kind of output that puts in the terminal
[05:55] <catfox> crid0, no, laptop -> wired router
[05:55] <dtygel> my screen resolution is stuck in 640x480px
[05:55] <spamalope> sux
[05:55] <naelp> i cannot access the internet at all, i'm back in windows to ask for help :/
[05:55] <naelp> That's why i was trying to access the network, to try to connect
[05:55] <dtygel> I'm using warty and used the correct vertical and horizontal settings...
[05:56] <BeefTube> dtygel	 for ATI drivers?
[05:56] <naelp> what is the command to force it to allow logging as root?
[05:56] <merriam> catfox: you could try connecting the router and ap with a switch.  Switches are cheap.  If that works, you can set it up easily on the wired net.
[05:56] <dtygel> beeftube: I didn't understand: what ati drivers?
[05:57] <punkscum> how can i compile java as a user in ubuntu please nice people, i'm getting crazy
[05:57] <BeefTube> in ati drivers you must tell it that the 640x480 is incorrect, and add your correct screen resolution, otherwise by default ATI drivers will install the lowest possible
[05:57] <naelp> i think it has to do with shadow passwords. In the installation part i disabled it, and then while booting it says it enabled...
[05:57] <catfox> merriam, could try it i guess. but i still don't understand why i can't get a signal from it when it's configured. it's like it's not sending one out at all
[05:57] <jeroen_> naelp, 'shadow passwords'?
[05:57] <crid0> catfox: right, so the cables run like this >cable/dsl >laptop .... are you trying to bridge with the usb/ethernet that's built-in on your laptop?
[05:57] <merriam> punkscum: you have to run the profile, for example by logging in again.
[05:57] <dtygel> beeftube: do you mean editing the XFConfig file?
[05:58] <catfox> crid0, i want this: laptop1 -> wireless -> bridge -> wired to router
[05:58] <nalioths_dog> punkscum: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[05:58] <BeefTube> nope, it is when installing AATI hardware excelleration... sorry, I thought you where talking about this
[05:58] <catfox> crid0, but i can't get a signal from the bridge, no matter what configuration i choose
[05:58] <punkscum> thanks merriam, but i logged in about 15 times since i modified the /etc/profile file and the java command is only avalaible for ROOT
[05:59] <dtygel> beeftube: oh, I see... well, my problem is about detecting the correct screen resolution, simply.
[06:00] <dtygel> folks: can someone indicate me a document where I can fix this screen resolution problem?
[06:00] <dtygel> some "howto"?
[06:00] <merriam> catfox: wireless can be tricky with free software.  If you're not keen on fighting with it, get hardware recommended by other free software users.
[06:00] <punkscum> what does this mean : bash: java: command not found
[06:00] <nalioth> dtygel: watch ubotu
[06:01] <nalioth> !resolution
[06:01] <ubotu> I heard resolution is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:01] <catfox> merriam, yeah i've fought with it in the past. but i can't get a signal with xp either. i'm thinking i might have misconfigured the bridge, or it's faulty
[06:01] <nalioth> punkscum: did you see what the dog sent you?
[06:01] <dtygel> thanks nalioth :)
[06:01] <punkscum> yes thanks nalioth
[06:01] <merriam> catfox: have you tried it with security (encryption) turned off?
[06:02] <catfox> merriam, hmm, i could have a go. what about security tho?
[06:02] <crid0> catfox: please forgive me. i'm trying to understand this. do you have a wireless router or do you want the laptop to act as an Access Point?
[06:02] <catfox> merriam, i mean restricting access
[06:02] <catfox> crid0, i have a wired router, which i want to act as an access point via a wireless bridge
[06:03] <crid0> catfox: got it
[06:03] <catfox> :)
[06:03] <nalioth> catfox: describe what you have as cable-modem or dsl-modem
[06:03] <catfox> crid0, but i can't get a signal from the bridge. so i dont know whats wrong. but it's not a linux thing, it's something to do with my config, since i cant get a signal under win xp either
[06:03] <punkscum> well, i think i'll try Java on another OS
[06:04] <nalioth> catfox: most wired routers have multiple ports
[06:04] <catfox> nalioth, i have a router with built in modem. 1 eth port, 1 usb port.
[06:04] <nalioth> catfox: yes, and when you say 'wired router' most people assume multiple ethernet ports
[06:04] <merriam> catfox: as long as you set passwords, security isn't a big problem.  I'm doing it that way here.  http://merriam.blogs.com/merriam/2005/04/buying_a_laptop.html#c6020067
[06:05] <catfox> merriam, i;ll take a look. so i don't need wep, just a password?
[06:05] <merriam> catfox: you may want to prevent strangers from using your dsl bandwidth, but the unencrypted option is a way to find out if it works at all.
[06:05] <naelp> "Naelphin is not in the sudoers list"
[06:06] <naelp> That makes a great deal of sense?
[06:06] <catfox> merriam, ok. i'll give it a go in a min.
[06:06] <supernix> that was what worried me about the liveCD
[06:06] <jeroen_> naelp, ah!
[06:06] <jeroen_> naelp, that's why ;-)
[06:06] <catfox> thanks a lot for the help everyone. much appreciated!
[06:06] <merriam> catfox: I mean you need to set passwords on your router and elsewhere on your lan -- don't leave the factory defaults.
[06:06] <supernix> I was worried that someone might hack it while it was connected and do some serious damage as I have a cable connection
[06:06] <naelp> jeroen_ so how to fixy :(
[06:06] <Arkainium> is there any way to use sata and ide at the same time?  since sata needs scsi, all my cdrom drives are loaded as scsi.  even when I try to load them as ide I get an error saying the ide channels are busy.
[06:07] <merriam> catfox: you don't need a password to connect wirelessly.
[06:07] <jesus_> hi, anyone want help me with a Debian-Ubuntu X-Server interaction problem??????
[06:07] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: are you there?  I forgot to tell you to fix your fstab I think??
[06:07] <jeroen_> naelp, now we need to get you in the /etc/sudoers file. (You should be by default! :/). BUT, you need superuse rights to do that
[06:07] <merriam> supernix: the live cd is reasonably secure by default.
[06:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> bddebian um yea i'm here
[06:07] <naelp> of course i can't enter that because i can't do sudo :P
[06:07] <nalioth> jesus_: what is that? please describe your problem
[06:07] <jeroen_> naelp, jup
[06:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> just playing with this point2play thingy i just bought
[06:08] <sephiroth> anyone knows how to play DivX movies inside ubuntu?
[06:08] <jesus_> nalioth ok
[06:08] <naelp> Blah
[06:08] <naelp> So, how to fixy?
[06:08] <jeroen_> naelp, maybe you can use the 'rescue mode', but I've never tried that
[06:08] <jeroen_> !rescue
[06:08] <ubotu> No idea, jeroen_
[06:08] <naelp> i got the cd, which kernel should i use?
[06:08] <naelp> There were 3 choices :/
[06:08] <jesus_> Computer A: Ubuntu 5.04, Computer B: Debian Sarge 3.1r0a
[06:08] <jeroen_> naelp, rescue I think
[06:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um so whats this about my fastab?
[06:08] <djp> sephiroth: if you are using the default movie player, totem, just install the gstreamer-ffmpeg plugin
[06:08] <naelp> i mean in install
[06:08] <Deft> naelp, do you not have an option in the grub menu?
[06:08] <jesus_> A its my computer, B its the server
[06:09] <nalioths_dog> sephiroth: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[06:09] <naelp> i think i installed it wrongly
[06:09] <jeroen_> naelp, maybe
[06:09] <naelp> Because I'm not on the sudors list
[06:09] <jesus_> i want to open x-window apps in the server but see them on my pc
[06:09] <jeroen_> naelp, it *should*'ve put you in there
[06:09] <jesus_> i did all about xhost
[06:09] <jesus_> and ssh
[06:09] <Seveas> ubotu rescue is Boot the install cd with rescue as boot parameter for system rescue mode
[06:09] <ubotu> Seveas: okay
[06:09] <naelp> so, how to uninstall?
[06:09] <nalioth> G|immer: your nick change boggled my dog
[06:09] <jesus_> but still habving problem with "can not open display..."
[06:09] <naelp> or how to fix it :/
[06:10] <inemo> nalioth: the dog is stupid :p
[06:10] <Deft> jesus_, did you try ssh -X <host> ?
[06:10] <jesus_> maybe i need to open some ports on client?
[06:10] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Did I remember to tell you to change your fstab to mount /dev/hdb1 on /files instead of on /home ?
[06:10] <nalioth> jesus_: have you looked at vnc?
[06:10] <jesus_> yes deft
[06:10] <jeroen_> naelp, just install again, and tell it to overwrite the previous one
[06:10] <G|immer> nalioth: i thought so. lol
[06:10] <nalioth> inemo: he's so stupid, he's laying right in front of the a/c
[06:10] <jesus_> even changin /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[06:10] <jesus_> but still same problem
[06:10] <Deft> jesus_, then it's probably a forwarding issue, look in the ssh and sshd config files
[06:10] <djp> sephiroth: you may also want to install gstreamer-plugins metapackage while you are at it, especially if you really do need to use patent impeded media formats
[06:10] <Seveas> jesus_, what's the problem..?
[06:10] <jmjones> i'm trying to use an external USB drive, but it's mounting it as a read-only filesystem
[06:10] <G|immer> nalioth: he's a helpfull dog it seems, boggled or not. lol
[06:10] <Moppin> jesus_, you can try using the -display parameter as well to test
[06:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um no i don't think so
[06:10] <jesus_> nalioth i suppose vnc shloud working
[06:10] <jesus_> but now its a challenge for me
[06:10] <jmjones> i've tried changing /etc/fstab, but that isn't working.....
[06:11] <jesus_> to know whats happen and why not with ssh
[06:11] <punkscum> hello where do i change the PATH variable ?
[06:11] <jesus_> moppin i tested too and nothing :(
[06:11] <jmjones> punkscum: wherever you want to
[06:11] <Seveas> punkscum, PATH=/new/things:$PATH
[06:11] <dtygel> folks: another question: I'm running an old Pentium II 233mhz (quite old, huh?) with 256MB ram. Ubuntu is working pretty well, but it's quite heavy... Do you have advices to make ubuntu lighter? some ideas? some link about that issue?
[06:11] <jesus_> i have a little clue
[06:11] <jmjones> if you want it change permanently, change your .bashrc file
[06:11] <merriam> jesus_: I do that all the time between ubuntu boxes.  ssh -X works with default settings.
[06:11] <Seveas> punkscum, if you want that permanent, put it in your ~/.bashrc
[06:11] <jesus_> mmm
[06:11] <Deft> jesus_, check the option "X11Forwarding" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[06:11] <jesus_> then would be debian doesnt work?
[06:12] <punkscum> great seveas
[06:12] <jesus_> deft my undestand is that using ssh -X its the same to enable that
[06:12] <jesus_> or not?
[06:12] <Seveas> jesus_, the server can block it
[06:12] <Deft> sshd_config is for the server
[06:12] <Seveas> and then it doesn't matter what the client wants
[06:12] <jesus_> block it?
[06:12] <jmjones> anybody on my funkified external usb prob?
[06:12] <Hoxzer> can I some how setup hot keys for commands?
[06:13] <Seveas> jesus_, yes, in sshd_config on the server
[06:13] <jesus_> let me see
[06:13] <Deft> Hoxzer, what sort of commands?
[06:13] <Seveas> Hoxzer, check the metacity section in gconf-editor
[06:13] <jesus_> mmm wait
[06:13] <G|immer> now.. what's with mySQL Server download, and the other one with the Intel libraries? which to choose?
[06:13] <merriam> jesus_: try it locally:  ssh -X user@localhost
[06:13] <phlange> 
[06:13] <Seveas> you can add hotkey commands and keys
[06:13] <ivek> can anyone help me with rt2500 configuration under ubuntu (newbie)
[06:13] <Hoxzer> Seaves: metacity? where
[06:14] <jesus_> what is the difference between change that option in conf file and make ssh -X... i think its the same?
[06:14] <merriam> jesus_: yes, I think so too.
[06:14] <naelp> Which kernel are you meant to take? the first one?
[06:14] <naelp> It bring up a box with 3 choices
[06:14] <merriam> jesus_: where is the debian box?  on the same lan?
[06:14] <jesus_> yeah
[06:14] <Deft> jesus_, sshd_config is the configuration for the server, if it is set to not forward X, it will not matter if the client requests it
[06:14] <jeroen_> naelp, what are they?
[06:14] <jesus_> mmm
[06:14] <jesus_> let me try ok
[06:14] <jesus_> so
[06:14] <punkscum> Seveas : do i just add PATH=":/usr/bin/java/bin" ? in that bashrc file ?
[06:14] <Seveas> Hoxzer, applications -> metacity (in gconf-editor)
[06:14] <jesus_> sshd_config
[06:14] <naelp> linux-386, something else, linux-numbers here-386
[06:15] <jesus_> ist no the same that ssh_config?
[06:15] <Seveas> punkscum, you have installed java the wrong way :/
[06:15] <punkscum> yes
[06:15] <Deft> jesus_, ssh_config is for the client
[06:15] <naelp> was hoping for a way to install without resorting to that :/
[06:15] <Seveas> then you can do that
[06:15] <punkscum> but it works
[06:15] <Hoxzer>  Seveas: thx ;)
[06:15] <naelp> bleh i'll reinstall
[06:15] <jeroen_> naelp, probably 386, rescue and memory check
[06:15] <jesus_> ok imgonna try that
[06:15] <jeroen_> :/
[06:15] <jesus_> ill be back
[06:15] <punkscum> thanks seveas
[06:15] <Hoxzer> just thinking about setting up media center with linux
[06:15] <merriam> jesus_: have you tried it locally yet?
[06:15] <Hoxzer> it could be cool ;)
[06:16] <jesus_> locally
[06:16] <jesus_> do u mean ssh -X localhost?
 jesus_: try it locally:  ssh -X user@localhost
[06:16] <merriam> yes
[06:16] <Hoxzer> other problem is how to setup TV-out but I dont have the MiniPC yet
[06:16] <jesus_> my ubuntu client doesnt accept ssh
[06:16] <jesus_> by default
[06:16] <merriam> jesus_: then install and start sshd
[06:17] <jesus_> ok let me try
[06:17] <Hoxzer> can I setup ubuntu to write some commands at the boot?
[06:17] <Hoxzer> *write=run
[06:17] <Seveas> Hoxzer, at boot or as soon as you login?
[06:17] <Deft> Hoxzer, before login you mean? in that case you probably want to write your own script
[06:17] <supernix> Could someone please tell me why the Kubuntu works with my printer and Ubuntu does not ?
[06:18] <Deft> Hoxzer, /etc/init.d and /etc/rc* should show how it all works
[06:18] <jeroen_> supernix, because of the configuration tool, probably
[06:18] <Hoxzer> Seveas: as soon as I login
[06:18] <merriam> Hoxzer: yes, but there isn't a good help page on it, that I've seen.
[06:18] <MarcC> supernix, I have the same problem, except with graphics display
[06:18] <jeroen_> supernix, both use cups iirc
[06:18] <supernix> OIC
[06:18] <supernix> :D
[06:18] <Hoxzer> or can I do login automaticaly?
[06:18] <jeroen_> Hoxzer, yes you can
[06:18] <Seveas> Hoxzer, system -> prefs sessions
[06:18] <merriam> Deft: I don't think it shows that clearly.
[06:18] <Seveas> Hoxzer, yes you can auto login
[06:18] <Seveas> Hoxzer, system -> admin -> login screen setupo
[06:19] <DAWKIRST> Greetings.
[06:19] <Deft> merriam, it shows something... think I misunderstood the question anyway
[06:19] <supernix> I did try it but after that I quickly abandoned Ubuntoo for the Kubuntu
[06:19] <merriam> jesus_: all you have to do is -->  apt-get install ssh
[06:19] <MarcC> supernix, did you use the Kubuntu wizard to get your printer working?
[06:19] <DAWKIRST> Anyone know a 'music' player that has a media library feature for Ubuntu?
[06:19] <jesus_> merriam
[06:19] <Deft> DAWKIRST, rhythmbox?
[06:19] <jesus_> its installed!
[06:19] <jeroen_> supernix, the Kubuntu wizard just does a better job  at windows smb printers
[06:20] <jesus_> but it can accept ssh request
[06:20] <jesus_> it was installed before
[06:20] <jesus_> but for some reason its not workin
[06:21] <merriam> jesus_: I have a fresh install of hoary here...
[06:21] <jeroen_> supernix, but you can copy the Kubuntu file and use it for Ubuntu
[06:21] <supernix> OIC did not know that
[06:21] <supernix> ty
[06:22] <jeroen_> supernix, it's called printers.conf, and it's in some cups directory
[06:22] <merriam> jesus_: what's the error report?
[06:22] <jesus_> im reinstalling ssh
[06:22] <jeroen_> supernix, /etc/cups/printers.conf
[06:22] <supernix> ah kewl I don't know how to modify the disk image to change that
[06:23] <linuxboy> anybody know how I can talk to my nokia phone via irda?
[06:23] <jesus_> ok
[06:23] <jesus_> ssh working on ubuntu
[06:24] <merriam> jesus_: where is the debian box?
[06:24] <RalfX> How do I roll back to an old Kernel on Ubuntu?
[06:24] <jesus_> same lan
[06:24] <RalfX> My last kernel update didn't work out, now I get kernel panic.
[06:24] <jeroen_> supernix, this is the part which the Ubuntu druid does wrong, but the KUbuntu wizard does right: DeviceURI smb://guest:@SERVER/printer
[06:24] <merriam> jesus_: what does it say when you try to connect?
[06:24] <jesus_> ssh localhost works now!
[06:25] <jerrymcfarts> hi i have a question
[06:25] <jerrymcfarts> how would i put pictures on my camera from my computer
[06:25] <supernix> Yeah I did notice that special URI which is also a problem in Knoppix
[06:25] <DAWKIRST> Deft, ty, didn't realize that...
[06:25] <merriam> jesus_: last time I looked, it worked on debian too.
[06:25] <jerrymcfarts> sorry
[06:25] <jerrymcfarts> brb
[06:25] <rwabel> hi
[06:26] <DAWKIRST> jesus_, damn man, can't you just change your nick, for your sake?
[06:26] <jesus_> => ssh localhost, xclock works
[06:26] <jesus_> and then
[06:26] <rwabel> I've my whole ubuntu on one partition. can i know copy the whole home folder to another partition and mount it in /etc/fstab? or do I've to do more?
[06:26] <jesus_> ssh -X debianhost, xlock says => Can't open display
[06:27] <mjr> the server probably has x forwarding disabled
[06:27] <mjr> as is the default, IIRC
[06:27] <jesus_> dawkirst its my name, whats the problem?
[06:27] <jewel> DAWKIRST: That's a common first name in Spanish
[06:27] <merriam> jesus_: now just compare config files.
[06:27] <ubuntu_> hello
[06:27] <bddebian> rwabel: You will probably want to do that either in single-user mode or use a liveCD and do it
[06:27] <bddebian> Hello ubuntu_
[06:27] <DAWKIRST> jesus_, no problem then. Sorry.
[06:27] <NewGhost2006> can somebody help me with wine???
[06:27] <jesus_> jewel is ok, im from spain ;)
[06:27] <DAWKIRST> jewel, didn't know that. Sorry.
[06:28] <jewel> rwabel: yes
[06:28] <nalioth> DAWKIRST: where jesus_ comes from, the nick he is using is socially acceptable
[06:28] <nalioth> DAWKIRST: we are a worldwide user group in here
[06:28] <dgsdgsdg> anyone know the command to log into x on undernet with x-chat? in mirc its ./mode $me +x i think
[06:28] <jesus_> merriam what config files?
[06:28] <rwabel> bddebian: because I could miss some new data I guess, right?
[06:28] <DAWKIRST> nalioth, I merely said it in a light sense of humor...is all.
[06:28] <jesus_> where are u from dawkirst?
[06:28] <DAWKIRST> jesus_, South Africa.
[06:28] <NewGhost2006> I have got a problem, i wanted to install Steam ofer wine, but it dose
[06:29] <pipatron> Hm, has anyone actually used mail-notifier (the official ubuntu version) with Gmail? It actually crashes when I try it.
[06:29] <jesus_> mmm i understand
[06:29] <linuxboy> DAWKIRST: me too
[06:29] <jewel> rwabel: You can probably do it without going into single mode
[06:29] <merriam> jesus_: ubuntu's /etc/ssh/sshd_config with debian's /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[06:29] <bddebian> rwabel: That and it can confuse the filesystem sometimes
[06:29] <NewGhost2006> not start
[06:29] <jesus_> here is a really common name
[06:29] <nalioth> DAWKIRST: sorry, we had a not-so-humourous altercation in here in the past re 'spanish first names'
[06:29] <jesus_> merrian ok, checking....
[06:29] <rwabel> thanks for the advise
[06:29] <nalioth> jesus_: si, nosotros comprende
[06:29] <SnakeBite> can someone tell mes famous OpenPGP Keyservers
[06:29] <jesus_> lol
[06:29] <jmjones> anyone know how to create a filesystem on an external USB blank drive?
[06:30] <bddebian> jmjones: mkfs?
[06:30] <jmjones> yeah - but where to?
[06:30] <pipatron> jmjones: Firs you need to connect it to the computer with the little cable
[06:30] <pipatron> *First
[06:30] <jesus_> merriam in ubuntu X11.... is yes but in debian is not
[06:30] <bddebian> heh
[06:30] <jmjones> pipatron: ummm....yeah - got that
[06:30] <bddebian> jmjones: Do you know what device it created?
[06:30] <Tsar_vonHumbug> some usb devices don't like to be formatted - so double check before you do it
[06:30] <DAWKIRST> nalioth, my apologies then.
[06:30] <pipatron> jmjones: Good! That's as much as I know!
[06:31] <pipatron> Tsar_vonHumbug: I think he means a harddrive
[06:31] <jesus_> should i change on debian?
[06:31] <pipatron> Or do you mean they shouldn't be formatted either? Sounds weird
[06:31] <Moppin> jmjones, you may have a problem trying to format it in FAT via Ubuntu.  I just walked it over to a Windows PC to format it in FAT.
[06:31] <merriam> jesus_: yes.  It's a paranoid default.
[06:31] <jesus_> hehe ok
[06:32] <DAWKIRST> linuxboy, neat :) where in ZA?
[06:32] <nalioth> Moppin: you have SneakerNet? wow!!
[06:32] <Tsar_vonHumbug> some usb sticks will die if formatted
[06:32] <pipatron> sneakernet roxxer
[06:32] <SnakeBite> can someone tell me famous OpenPGP Keyservers
[06:32] <jmjones> Moppin: i want it reiserfs
[06:32] <nalioth> SnakeBite: did you search google?
[06:32] <Tsar_vonHumbug> have to use the vendor specific software
[06:32] <SnakeBite> yes
[06:32] <jmjones> bddebian: looks like it may have created it sdb
[06:33] <SnakeBite> no person i search
[06:33] <nalioth> SnakeBite: did you search for "pgp keyserver" ?
[06:33] <nalioth> SnakeBite: or just "keyserver" ?
[06:33] <SnakeBite> naliotf  - no person i search
[06:33] <Hoxzer> Seveas?
[06:33] <bddebian> jmjones: Is this an external hard disk or a mem stick?
[06:33] <SnakeBite> naliotf  - in them
[06:33] <Hoxzer> Actually I can't find metacity (I have finnish version=
[06:33] <jesus_> merriam same problem! :'(
[06:33] <jmjones> bddebian: drive - not stick
[06:33] <jmjones> 120GB seagate....
[06:33] <NewGhost2006> does somebody know the error:: Counld not initialize installation. X:GLC8bf.tmp File not found.:: ???
[06:33] <jmjones> in an external encloser
[06:34] <jmjones> s/encloser/enclosure/
[06:34] <bddebian> You want it FAT or what?
[06:34] <bddebian> ext2?
[06:34] <Seveas> Hoxzer..?
[06:34] <merriam> jesus_: /etc/initd/sshd restart   --  or similar
[06:34] <jesus_> on my way
[06:35] <Hoxzer> oh... seems I found it
[06:35] <Jonax> Quick question - Anyone recommend any DVD/video players?
[06:35] <jewel> bddebian: He wants it reiser
[06:36] <cmatheson> Jonax: i like mplayer
[06:36] <merriam> jesus_: I meant    /etc/init.d/sshd restart
[06:36] <bddebian> jewel: Did I miss that?
[06:36] <mjr> Jonax, I'd just use totem, either -gstreamer or -xine
[06:36] <Moppin> jmjones, still there?
[06:36] <jewel> bddebian: I think so.  :)
[06:36] <Jonax> Ta for the recommendations, guys :)
[06:36] <mjr> currently I use -gstreamer, plus xine-ui for the rare exhibits it can't yet play
[06:36] <Moppin> bddebian, I sent him an answer so maybe he is doing it :)
[06:36] <bddebian> Moppin: Ah, OK, thanks
[06:36] <jewel> Jonax: ogle supports menus, IIRC
[06:39] <merriam> jesus_: on ubuntu it's  "/etc/init.d/sshd restart", but I suspect it's different on debian.
[06:39] <GNULinuxer> merriam, it's ssh
[06:39] <bionic> anyone who use limewire in ubuntu? Mine keeps freezing all the time, using all the load..
[06:39] <merriam> jesus_: I meant  "/etc/init.d/ssh restart"
[06:39] <bddebian> merriam: No, that should work on ubuntu also
[06:40] <cmatheson> bionic: if you're looking for a radder gnutella client you could check out gift (it's curses-based (i think there's a gtk2-client too))
[06:40] <merriam> jesus_: once you're done that on debian and logged in again, it should work.
[06:40] <bionic> cmatheson, any ubuntu package for that one ?
[06:41] <bionic> there was. :)
[06:41] <bionic> thanks
[06:41] <cmatheson> bionic: i think there is
[06:41] <cmatheson> oh yeah
[06:42] <cmatheson> bionic: just make sure you install the gnutella plugin too (by default it's a fast-track-like network)
[06:42] <Deft> gtk-gnutella is pretty good
[06:42] <bionic> libgnutella-gift - giFT plugin for the Gnutella network
[06:42] <bionic>  ?
[06:43] <GordonF> Hiya's
[06:43] <cmatheson> bionic: that's the one
[06:43] <GordonF> Can anyone tell me quickly please how many languages Ubuntu supports and by that I mean South African local languages?
[06:43] <bionic> cmatheson, uhm, whats the command to start the program?
[06:44] <Seveas> GordonF, which language exactly do you have in mind?
[06:45] <jewel> bionic: You need to start up giftd
[06:45] <cmatheson> bionic: first run gift-setup (you'll have to answer a bunch of question, but you can generally accept the defaults), and then run gift -d (i think that's the command), and then  'giFTcurs' (or i don't know what the gtk binary is named).  it will take a minute for it to load up all the junk (you won't see any files/users for a second)
[06:45] <jewel> bionic: and then launch one of the guis
[06:45] <GordonF> I'm looking for all the local SA lingo's like Zulu, xhosa and afrikaans etc
[06:45] <Seveas> GordonF, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=language-support&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[06:45] <jewel> bionic: I have used apollon before, it's a KDE client
[06:45] <jewel> bionic: But the curses one was better
[06:46] <gohan> hello everyone
[06:46] <merriam> GordonF: none, I think
[06:47] <gohan> could somebody tell me why i can't use synaptic to install phpbt
[06:47] <nalioth> gohan: the us repos are wonky oday
[06:47] <nalioth> gohan: today, even
[06:47] <merriam> GordonF: Africaans
[06:47] <snow> good day guys - what do i need to play mp4 videos (sound and pic) - have totem-xine an i can only see the visuals, no sound
[06:47] <GordonF> Seveas Thanks looks like Xhosa and Zulu as well as Afrikaans is supported
[06:48] <tuxJr_14> hi
[06:48] <nalioths_dog> snow: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[06:48] <tuxJr_14> does kubuntu have OO.o 1.9?
[06:48] <snow> thanks a lot
[06:49] <gohan> whats kubuntu????
[06:49] <tuxJr_14> sorry, wrong channel
[06:49] <Deft> tuxJr_14, ubuntu and kubuntu both have 1.1.3 in hoary, 1.9.11something in breezy
[06:50] <tuxJr_14> ok
[06:50] <tuxJr_14> thanks, Deft
[06:50] <bionic> cmatheson, ait i will check it out, sorry was away for a second, phone.
[06:50] <gohan> umm does kubuntu uase kde ????
[06:50] <merriam> GordonF: I suspect Kinyarwanda support is partial.  Look it up.
[06:50] <tuxJr_14> gohan, /join #kubuntu
[06:51] <kzx> I didn't get an IP when connecting the cable. Why didn't dhclient pick it up?
[06:51] <goldfish> gohan: It does.
[06:51] <kzx> I tried ejecting and replugging the PCMCIA card, but eth0 was hanging and I never got an IP
[06:51] <gohan> ok then thanks
[06:52] <Deft> kzx, have you tried running the dhcp client manually
[06:52] <kzx> I tried /etc/init.d/network restart
[06:53] <Deft> kzx, it might be worth trying dhclient eth0, or whatever your interface is
[06:53] <merriam> GordonF: you should try installing them to find out.
[06:53] <kzx> It works now (rebooted), but I expected hotplug to pick up the change toghether with dhclient
[06:53] <bionic> cmatheson, giftd should stall for a bit too? nothing has happenedfor about 1minute now
[06:54] <cmatheson> bionic: oh, giftd just runs in the background (just hit ^Z, and then 'bg'), and then start up the gift client (giFTcurs or whatever you're using)
[06:55] <bionic> ah i see, the default port, does it need to be forwarded to my comp if im behind a firewall?
[06:55] <kzx> Is Ubuntu suitable for laptops? NTP consistently fails on boot since the network isn't up yet when NTP starts
[06:55] <nalioth> kzx: works great on my iBooks
[06:55] <bddebian> kzx: Works great on my StinkPad
[06:55] <GordonF> Thanks for the help on that one. Next question :)
[06:55] <bionic> cmatheson, 3users online, thats not much, hehe
[06:55] <cmatheson> bionic: haha, just wait a minute
[06:56] <SysFail> anybody else experiencing these random koqueror and kaffeine crashes???
[06:56] <cmatheson> bionic: for some reason it takes a while for it to load up the first time
[06:56] <GordonF> I have 30 PC's which I want to configure and install can I create a 'ghost' and use that?
[06:56] <Deft> kzx, for that specific one, you can stop ntpdate running at startup, or just ctrl-C it every time even
[06:56] <bionic> cmatheson, im waiting,  now its 1 user :)
[06:57] <bionic> ah there, 4500 users
[06:57] <gohan> gordonf: do you mean exact same machines.
[06:57] <GordonF> gohan Yes Identical
[06:57] <Deft> bionic, gtk-gnutella will run just like limewire style apps, or there's emule as another client/interface dealie
[06:57] <cmatheson> bionic: i'm not sure how long it takes... last time i did it (couple days ago) i just walked off and forgot about it, but when i came back later (a long while later...) there were a few thousand users and a bunch of files
[06:58] <kzx> In RedHat (probably Fedora too), the NTP server is picked up from a DHCP option. That would make it find my internal NTP server
[06:58] <nalioth> SysFail: upgrade to kde 3.4.1
[06:59] <gohan> ok. now i am a newb so correct me but would it be possible to copy one install onto the rest of the hdds.
[06:59] <bionic> cmatheson, uhm, i just search for "britney" now (just to test), still seraching, and no files. humm
[06:59] <bionic> ah well anyways, i'll check it out a bit, thanks for the help
[06:59] <Deft> gohan, provided you install grub individually on each, that might work
[07:00] <Deft> gohan, only issue will be booting them the first time to do that
[07:00] <skull> hi all
[07:00] <gohan> i suppose there must be some script or program to install grub using a floppy or cd
[07:00] <skull> i'm having some problems
[07:01] <blueyed> How can I make a directory writable to a user, but disallow deleting the directory? He should only be allowed to modify files in it..
[07:01] <GordonF> so theres no way to 'ghost' an image over then or is there a way to create a cd/script to do it?
[07:01] <kzx> Why did my update of a fresh 5.04 install yesterday fetch Firefox 1.02? Why not the latest security fix?
[07:01] <kzx> That is, 1.04?
[07:01] <Deft> blueyed, first thought, make the containing folder not writable, so that it's contents can't be changed?
[07:02] <merriam> GordonF: I don't think it has been done yet.  Ubuntu is a very young distribution compared with Red Hat.
[07:02] <gohan> deft: first boot is easy just make a boot floppy from the first install
[07:02] <blueyed> Deft: yes, but that way the user cannot change the content in it, too. Also "chattr +i" fails..
[07:02] <lambert> RE!
[07:02] <kzx> Is there any reason NOT to install 1.04 on Ubuntu? Or do I just need to do it manually?
[07:02] <stibby> how do i install a debian package? i think its something along the line of "sudo dkpg xxxxxxxxx.deb", but I don't know exactly
[07:02] <pipatron> kzx: It has the security fixes
[07:02] <skull> synaptic say that i have some broken package  and when i try to install it i get this error
[07:02] <spartas> kzx, that version has the security fixes i believe, but they haven't changed the version number
[07:02] <skull> E: /cdrom//pool/main/g/gucharmap/gucharmap_1.4.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb:  subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[07:02] <skull> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libg/libgcrypt7/libgcrypt7_1.1.90-9_i386.deb
[07:02] <skull>   MD5Sum mismatch
[07:03] <merriam> GordonF: but network installation is fairly quick.
[07:03] <blueyed> "dpkg -i xxx.deb", stibby
[07:03] <kzx> So I do run everything in Firefox 1.04, but the ver is still 1.02??
[07:03] <mackz> lol linux
[07:03] <merriam> GordonF: have you tried installing on a few boxes on a network?
[07:03] <GordonF> merriam: Now you talking my language :) Where can I find details on how to?
[07:03] <skull> does anyone know what is the problem
[07:03] <pipatron> kzx: Pretty much yes
[07:03] <spartas> kzx, if you want the latest stable firefox, it's in backports
[07:03] <kzx> OK... thanks...
[07:03] <GordonF> merriam: No I have'nt still very much a nix noob
[07:04] <Deft> blueyed, seems to work for me, I just changed the owner on a folder, and then added a file to a folder inside it and it didn't complaine
[07:04] <mackz> lenux
[07:04] <skull> can someone help me
[07:04] <blueyed> Deft: but you should be able then to also delete the folder, aren't you?
[07:04] <blueyed> skull: aks.
[07:04] <blueyed> ask
[07:05] <naelphin> Exact same problem :/ reinstalled
[07:05] <merriam> GordonF: I mean the default install.  I have only four boxes here, but it'd not a lot of trouble to do a whole network.  I just set up dhcp and a package cache over nfs.
[07:05] <kzx> How is the SELinux support in Ubuntu? It says something like "disabled on boot"
[07:05] <Deft> blueyed, say I have t1 and t1/t2, if I can't write to t1, I'm not allowed to remove t2
[07:05] <naelphin> User is not on sudoers list
[07:05] <Exposure> howcome agpgart and nvidia_agp modules get loaded at boot while i'm not starting a display manager and don't have them listed in /etc/modules?
[07:05] <skull> i have some broken package when i try to install them i get this error
[07:05] <skull> E: /cdrom//pool/main/g/gucharmap/gucharmap_1.4.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb:  subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[07:05] <skull> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libg/libgcrypt7/libgcrypt7_1.1.90-9_i386.deb
[07:05] <skull>   MD5Sum mismatch
[07:05] <hotte-> question: i have nforce 2 then i have to do agpgart on yes?!
[07:05] <hotte-> right?
[07:06] <kzx> Is SELinux more trouble that it is worth on Ubuntu?
[07:06] <Exposure> hotte-: y or m
[07:06] <gohan> hey how do i change who can use sudo
[07:06] <hotte-> i meen the external
[07:06] <blueyed> Deft: that's bad then.. :/
[07:06] <merriam> GordonF: have you tried it?  I expect Red Hat is far better adapted to big networks for automatic installation, but I wouldn't recommend fedora.  It's not stable enough.
[07:07] <Deft> blueyed, sorry, though that was what you were going for, being able to modify the contents of the folder, but not being able to remove the folder itself?
[07:07] <Exposure> kzx: its probably more trouble than certain other distro's but if you think it's worth it, it is
[07:07] <Exposure> gohan: man sudoers
[07:07] <twb_> when you're second hdd is a 'slave' what does that mean?
[07:08] <blueyed> Deft: exactly, but how would I do it then?
[07:08] <gohan> fedora is far too slow atleast on my computer compared to ubuntu. otherwise its incredible and ver stable.
[07:08] <Exposure> twb_: that you set is as slave using jumper on the hdd and probably have another drive as master
[07:08] <twb_> so, does that just mean its not the master?
[07:09] <Deft> blueyed, just do something like sudo chown root:root <the folder containing the one whose contents may be changed>
[07:09] <hotte-> Exposure:  can u answer my question plz?
[07:09] <adwait> gohan: actually fedora installs lots of stuff and starts up lots of services.....once u turn them off, its fast enuff
[07:09] <GordonF> merriam: Thanks no I have'nt but I'm googling now to see how to. I actually like the idea of Ubuntu with four local languages supported it means I can do training for the children in their own language. If I can install from a server then it also means that every night I can reset the PC's back to a standard.
[07:09] <Exposure> twb_: usually yes
[07:09] <hotte-> Do you want to use the external AGP GART module (y/n)? [n] 
[07:10] <hotte-> i have nforce2
[07:10] <hotte-> what i have to take
[07:10] <Exposure> hotte-: ah you're fidling with ati driver just like me
[07:10] <hotte-> ;)
[07:10] <Exposure> hotte-: i tried both, neither is working here
[07:10] <merriam> GordonF: as I said, though the languages are mentioned, they may not be well supported.  It's easy to try them out.
[07:10] <hotte-> hmm write in the extra window
[07:10] <hotte-> i wrote to u
[07:11] <samuelk> i have a question then i am downloading files... from konqueror i start at 100% how do i fix this
[07:11] <samuelk> ?
[07:11] <adwait> samelk: start at 100 and then wht? go down to 0?
[07:11] <blueyed> Deft: and then? The user itself (webX) must be able to write there then..
[07:11] <ehate> hey i just installed linux on this shitty old lap top, im and running ubuntu on the pc and im trying to install the network card the 3com lan card how would i go about doing something? ive tryed plugging everything
[07:11] <samuelk> no stays there
[07:11] <gohan> samelk try using another download manager like prozilla and prozgui
[07:12] <adwait> ehate: does it know the card is there?
[07:12] <nalioth> samuelk: use another browser
[07:12] <samuelk> k
[07:12] <Deft> blueyed, put webX in the group that the folder belongs to, and give the folder g+w permission
[07:13] <kzx> ehate: anything in /var/log/messages or dmesg output?
[07:13] <samuelk> no what to fix this? then
[07:13] <merriam> GordonF: are you extrapolating from experience with a Windows network?
[07:13] <Deft> blueyed, (or make webX the owner, whatever is appropriate)
[07:13] <blueyed> Deft: which would allow him to delete it, wouldn't it?
[07:13] <nalioth> samuelk: try another browser and see if it does the same thing
[07:13] <GordonF> merriam: Yes I have some experience doing it with Windows
[07:13] <Deft> blueyed, no, to delete a folder, you need write permission on the folder that contains it
[07:14] <blueyed> ah... thanks, Deft!
[07:14] <ehate> kzx im new to this so where could i find that?
[07:14] <bluefoxicy> ahahaha
[07:14] <jasoncohen> i want to redirect local cron-apt mail to a real email address. the email is sent & delivered fine but the from address is root@brandeis.edu. how do i set an alias so that the from uses my real email address?
[07:14] <bluefoxicy> Gedit/gtkspell suggests "MEXICO" as a correction of "SEGMEXEC"
[07:14] <samuelk> not the same thing with firefox
[07:15] <merriam> GordonF: free software is rather different.  One way in which it's different is that you can try it out easily and cheaply.  Do you have a small network ready for trying it?
[07:15] <x_or> I'm having trouble restoring a sudoers file.  I was smart enough to become root on another terminal before doing this, but now when I run sudo visudo, it complains: "visudo: sudoers file busy, try again later".  I deleted the /etc/sudoers.tmp file by hand on the root terminal, is there another lock file somewhere?
[07:16] <twb_> is there a command to see the names of your partitions?
[07:16] <GordonF> merriam: Yes I do have a small network just waiting for it :) 35 identical PC's
[07:16] <x_or> twb_: df -a
[07:16] <twb_> thx
[07:17] <merriam> GordonF: I suggest starting small.  Have you tried hoary on one of those?
[07:17] <adwait> twb_: partitions dont have names......unless u like to think of them as ur pets or something ;)
[07:17] <merriam> samuelk: wget is good for reliably fetching big files.
[07:17] <twb_> ha, i mean, i need to duplicate one but i cant remember if its hda1 or hda 2
[07:17] <merriam> twb_: cfdisk
[07:18] <GordonF> merriam: No I have'nt tried it yet
[07:18] <twb_> oh no, cfdisk gave me a fatal error
[07:18] <merriam> twb_: as root, but be careful not to change anything.
[07:19] <merriam> GordonF: If you're lucky with the hardware, it's easy.
[07:19] <supernix> AH MAN I just noticed that you guys have a DVD as well
[07:19] <twb_> wow, i can change partition sizes through this?
[07:20] <merriam> twb_: not partitions with filesystems that you want to keep using
[07:20] <twb_> i see
[07:21] <twb_> ok, now should my second hdd be a slave if all i need to do is copy something to it?
[07:21] <vagamente> c' qualcuno che mi da una mano?
[07:22] <ehate> hey i just installed linux on this shitty old lap top, im and running ubuntu on the pc and im trying to install the network card the 3com lan card how would i go about doing something? ive tryed plugging everything
[07:22] <merriam> twb_: ide masters and slaves are just about distinguishing two drives.
[07:22] <twb_> here gows nothing, brb....if all goes wel : )
[07:22] <ehate> plz some one help
[07:22] <twb_> ohh i get it
[07:22] <ehate> im new to linux
[07:22] <vagamente> ne1 can help me... some problems with mountig hd....
[07:23] <HappyFool> ello
[07:24] <BlueSummer_id> hello all
[07:24] <bhna> hi
[07:24] <SysFail> hi
[07:24] <merriam> GordonF: here's an example.  I installed hoary on my notebook recently.  --> http://technophobe.net/Acer_TravelMate_2304WLMi_notes_Linux.html#install
[07:24] <BlueSummer_id> how is everyone?
[07:24] <SysFail> heavily intoxicated
[07:24] <SysFail> you?
[07:24] <BlueSummer_id> Fine ty lol
[07:25] <SysFail> welcome
[07:25] <x_or> I need to edit the sudoers file, and have a file which I want to replace as the existing sudoers file.  I know it parses.  I cannot determine the proper combination of redirection to accomplish this, using vi or any other editor.  Is there a way to get visudo to read in another file and replace the sudoers content with it, and then verify the syntax?
[07:26] <merriam> GordonF: if you're using the pc for nothing else, it's even quicker.  Just tell it to partition automatically at the start.
[07:27] <HappyFool> x_or: you have a single user machine?
[07:27] <HappyFool> x_or: which you can boot in rescue mode if things go wrong?
[07:27] <x_or> Meaning, can I restore the sudoers file if I do something stupid?  Yeah, well I have another terminal where I did a sudo su, so I have root right now.
[07:28] <naelphin> How can I add myself to the sudoer list?
[07:28] <naelphin> I cannot access it :/
[07:28] <samuelk> okey tried wesnoth but it lagged even if i have installed the nvidia driver...
[07:28] <HappyFool> x_or: backup /etc/sudoers, and copy over the file.
[07:28] <HappyFool> naelphin: you'll need to boot into recover mode (or rescue mode, whatever it's called)
[07:28] <x_or> naelphin: You need to add yourself to the admin group.
[07:28] <HappyFool> naelphin: then add your user to the 'admin' group
[07:28] <naelphin> what commands do i use?
[07:29] <x_or> HappyFool:  I am always worried about direct copying because the permissions are so strict for the sudoers file.  I'd so prefer to use visudo in the chain of commands, since it fails to install the file if anything is wrong.
[07:30] <HappyFool> x_or: what's the worst that can happen?
[07:30] <HappyFool> x_or: that's why i asked if it's a single-user, no-big-deal-to-reboot machine
[07:30] <G2k> hey all, I just installed ubuntu
[07:31] <x_or> Yeah, I was just hoping there was a "proper" way using visudo.  I have to imagine there is an editor which can receive via stdin and replace the contents.
[07:31] <HappyFool> x_or: at a guess, use ':r <filename>' to read a file in vi
[07:31] <G2k> and feel at a bit of a loss even though Ive been using gentoo for quite a while
[07:31] <Schonhose|Ziek> hi all...
[07:31] <HappyFool> x_or: :r seems to work. you'll still need to erase all the old lines though
[07:32] <Schonhose> How do I ask a question?
[07:32] <HappyFool> Schonhose: type it and press enter ;)
[07:32] <HappyFool> G2k: any particular problems?
[07:32] <x_or> Yeah, I want this to be totally automated.  It does appear that if I copy a file with 755 mode to 644 mode, the 644 mode is preserved, which is what I want.  I'll just do this, and pray.
[07:33] <G2k> HappyFool: well, i cant seem to find on the ubuntu website documentation on how to use apt
[07:33] <HappyFool> x_or: my /etc/sudoers has 440 mode, afaict
[07:33] <merriam> GordonF: still there?  Here's my experience with language support.  -->  http://technophobe.net/Ubuntu_Linux_notes.html#language_support
[07:33] <HappyFool> G2k: try either 'man apt-get' or maybe 'man aptitude'
[07:33] <Schonhose> Ok, here it goes: the normal Gnome menu has Applications and Desktop. I would like to move all items under desktop to the main menu (which is on my panel)
[07:33] <HappyFool> G2k: also, install the apt-howto
[07:33] <JDahl> hi tritium, are you officially an egg-head yet?
[07:33] <G2k> HappyFool: and Im wondering whether I messed up the istallation (which I did a few times since I messed up my disk and had to reformat) now / is on /hda1 and swap is on hda5..which is weird
[07:34] <x_or> Yeah, that is typical.  I've just been stupid before where I accidentally deleted first and then copied in 640, or something, and then sudo wouldn't work globally and I was stuck.
[07:34] <G2k> HappyFool: is there anything on the ubuntu website?
[07:34] <HappyFool> G2k: look on the wiki
[07:34] <HappyFool> G2k: here's a place to start: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TitleIndex
[07:34] <inemo> ubotu: ping
[07:34] <ubotu> Keep your fingers to yourself, inemo.
[07:35] <HappyFool> Schonhose: you're using warty (ubuntu 4.10) i take it?
[07:35] <Schonhose> HappyFool: that's correct
[07:35] <HappyFool> Schonhose: i'm not sure how to edit the menu; try maybe right-clicking?
[07:35] <G2k> HappyFool: thnx
[07:35] <TheOneEye> hello
[07:35] <AppleMacFreak> ubotu: I hate you
[07:35] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, AppleMacFreak
[07:36] <TheOneEye> I need help with my ubuntu. Who should i speak with?
[07:36] <SysFail> somebody in the ubuntu channel
[07:36] <Viscini> Jun ran into an error while trying to install libpng12-dev.  Specifically, it is giving me a MD5Sum mismatch.  Any suggestions?
[07:36] <inemo> TheOneEye: us ;)
[07:36] <HappyFool> TheOneEye: you can ask here.
[07:36] <darksatanic> TheOneEye: Just ask the question. Someone will answer, if they know.
[07:37] <Viscini> s/Jun/Just/
[07:37] <TheOneEye> first of all... where can i find a md5sum for ubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.iso ?
[07:37] <edited> TheOneEye from where u downloaded it
[07:37] <HappyFool> Viscini: try again. And try maybe an 'apt-get update'. If you're still having problems, change your repository -- e.g., don't use a mirror, use archive.ubuntu.com
[07:38] <Viscini> HappyFool: I tried with an update.  I will kick to the main repository and see if that helps.
[07:38] <BeatYOu> shit
[07:38] <LordMortis> anyone here set up a parallel port laser printer here ?
[07:38] <BeatYOu> london got hit pretty bad looks like
[07:38] <Schonhose> HappyFool: Right click doesn't work... do you understand what I'm saying? I would like to move the Desktop Preferences and such to the Main Menu
[07:38] <inemo> BeatYOu: yup :(
[07:38] <HappyFool> TheOneEye: try here for MD5sums: http://releases.ubuntu.com/5.04/
[07:39] <HappyFool> Schonhose: sorry, i'm not running warty, so i can't really experiment. and in hoary menu-editing is not easily doable at all
[07:39] <Schonhose> ok np: perhaps anybody out there knows this?
[07:40] <Schonhose> HappyFool: perhaps you know if it is wise to update Ubuntu from Debian Sarge Stable?
[07:41] <HappyFool> Schonhose: no idea
[07:41] <edited> Schonhose you mean you want to install ubuntu and get rid of debian sarge?
[07:42] <JDahl> Schonhose, I would definitely do a fresh installation
[07:42] <Schonhose> sinope: I just found out I have deb repositories including Debian in sources.list
[07:42] <Schonhose> when I try apt-get upgrade it starts downloading 500+ packages
[07:43] <edited> yea, download an install iso from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[07:43] <Schonhose> it got me scared so I aborted
[07:43] <x_or> One thing I am not happy about with the default ubuntu setup is that the command history seems to be cleared whenever you kill a terminal.  Is there a setting to change this?  I'd prefer to keep the history after the terminal dies.
[07:43] <munki^> How do I set up the function-buttons on my Logitech MX518 ?
[07:43] <Schonhose> wouldn't want to mess up my ubuntu setup
[07:43] <edited> Schonhose im confused
[07:43] <Schonhose> x_or: agreed, would like to know this to
[07:44] <HappyFool> Schonhose: oh, i misunderstood
[07:44] <HappyFool> Schonhose: installing debian packages is generally not a good idea
[07:44] <Schonhose> HappyFool: ok, thats what I was looking for :)
[07:44] <HappyFool> Schonhose: e.g., you could end up with a newer libc and that could be very painful ;)
[07:44] <BlueSummer_id> x_or do you mean like so say you run a program then you kill terminal it kills the program and you want to prevent this? I also want to know but i know if you type something such as cedega Steam.exe & (add the & after it) it will let you reuse the terminal
[07:45] <Schonhose> HappyFool ow, that has happened all ready
[07:45] <HappyFool> x_or: my history seems to survive. how are you killing the terminals?
[07:45] <munki^> How do I set up the function-buttons on my Logitech MX518 ?
[07:45] <x_or> Just by issuing exit.  Are you using ctrl-d or something?
[07:45] <x_or> this is xterm you are using right?  I assume it wouldn't matter.
[07:45] <TheOneEye> Ok...i downloaded and installed ubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.iso. I have a AMD Athlon 3200+ CPU and ATI Radeon x800 XL graphics card. when the instalation finishes, there is an error something about x.org and i can only type in commands and don't see the graphic layout...sorry for bad english...i hope u understand. i think i need some drivers but am a total newbie in linux.
[07:46] <HappyFool> x_or: yes, i use Ctl-D, in gnome-terminal. but 'exit' ought to also work (i think)
[07:46] <x_or> BlueSummer_id:  No, this is different.  What you want is to look at nohup.
[07:46] <HappyFool> x_or: i thought maybe you were killing the window using the close-window button
[07:46] <x_or> No.
[07:46] <TheOneEye> anyone?
[07:47] <HappyFool> if 'exit' is my last command, it's the first thing that i get if i press 'Up' in a new terminal
[07:47] <frank_dot> TheOneEye: You probably need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:47] <TheOneEye> how do i do that?
[07:47] <x_or> Do you ever use more than one terminal at a time?  I often wonder how they deal with multiple terminals writing to the same history file.
[07:47] <frank_dot> TheOneEye: but I'm not sure what could be the problem
[07:48] <HappyFool> TheOneEye: hm. You can maybe look at this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:48] <Hoxzer> How do I put remote controller to PC ;/ I have like no idea how does it work
[07:48] <TheOneEye> i never used linux before and friends recommended ubuntu.
[07:48] <HappyFool> x_or: often. i'm not all that reliant on command history, though
[07:48] <HappyFool> x_or: you know about 'screen', btw?
[07:48] <littlefae> Okay, who the hell developed nautilus, because I'm about ready to crucify someone
[07:48] <frank_dot> TheOneEye: If you've never used Ubuntu you would be much better off with the i386 version
[07:49] <x_or> Yes, but simple history is fine for me.  Screen captures a bit too much, unless I need the output.
[07:49] <TheOneEye> why? i have a 64bit processor
[07:49] <frank_dot> TheOneEye: I used amd64 for a few months and switched back. It's alot easier to deal with
[07:49] <HappyFool> x_or: ok. not all terminal junkies know about it ;)
[07:49] <littlefae> I am running, or trying to run, xfce with all it's little gizmos.  But every time I start to browse from certain applications, the damn nautlius filebrowser opens up, along with it's 'desktop' service, and ruins the whole operation of xfce
[07:49] <HappyFool> x_or: it seems to append the histories, afaict, in order of which shell is closed last
[07:49] <x_or> HappyFool:  No, I appreciate the information.
[07:50] <HappyFool> x_or: i believe the history is stored in ~/.bash_history
[07:50] <kzx> What is a good way to setup X? xorgconfig?
[07:50] <frank_dot> TheOneEye: Because you have to jump through hoops to make the 32bit programs run like the flash plugin and the windows video codecs
[07:50] <HappyFool> x_or: do you have this file? and what does it look like?
[07:50] <HappyFool> kzx: try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[07:50] <littlefae> So how do I stop nautilus from loading up, and starting it's irritating desktop service?
[07:50] <henke> Hmm. I wonder why gam_server locked my alsa device. Has anybody else had that problem?
[07:50] <littlefae> And get my xfce filemanager to be default
[07:51] <littlefae> "I've got that problem henke
[07:51] <davidandkaz> Hey there
[07:51] <BlueSummer_id> Anyone know where i can get gaim_vv? I wanna use my webcam
[07:51] <x_or> doh, I bet what is happening is that when I use sudo it writes history to that same file as root, and then when I login again it cannot read it.  I just attempted to read it, and it is owned by root.  Ah, good find HappyFool!
[07:52] <gnat_x> i just installed an ubuntu system, but during the install the root passwords didn't match, but the installer would not return to the first prompt, it was always "reenter" so i just finished it up. now i need to change it. just want to check what the way to change it in single user mode?
[07:52] <edited> anyone know any other AIM client other then gaim?
[07:52] <BlueSummer_id> anyone know any other MSN client other than gaim?>
[07:52] <henke> littlefae, how does it happen for you? For me it works at first, but after a while, perhaps while rhythmbox switches songs, it takes control of it.
[07:52] <davidandkaz> My sound seems to be limited to system beeps. Ayone know how to turn on my sound card?
[07:52] <Stan_> Does Ubuntu run on Debian, or instead of Debian ??
[07:52] <^thehatsrule^> ayttm is another
[07:52] <HappyFool> x_or: cool
[07:52] <^thehatsrule^> naim
[07:52] <littlefae> It's based on debian, Stan
[07:52] <^thehatsrule^> etc
[07:52] <^thehatsrule^> lots
[07:53] <^thehatsrule^> official aim client
[07:53] <^thehatsrule^> etc
[07:53] <Stan_> so if I have debian, I install ubuntu?
[07:53] <henke> Stan_, you don't need Debian.
[07:53] <HappyFool> x_or: maybe 'sudo -H -s' or something will work better than 'sudo bash'
[07:53] <Stan_> well i have debian
[07:53] <edited> ^thehatsrule^ u got a website?
[07:53] <HappyFool> Stan_: ubuntu is based on debian, but is distinct
[07:53] <henke> Stan_, you can upgrade from Debian to Ubuntu, but you might encounter a little trouble in the upgrade.
[07:53] <davidandkaz> Anyone know how to turn on a sound card?
[07:54] <Stan_> ok thanks
[07:54] <gnat_x> davidandkaz: try alsaconf
[07:54] <x_or> Yeah, that looks like a good idea.
[07:54] <^thehatsrule^> google? heh
[07:54] <davidandkaz> alsaconf , what's that?>
[07:54] <HappyFool> gnat_x: afaik alsaconf is not in ubuntu (not the default install, anyway)
[07:54] <gnat_x> *nod*
[07:54] <gnat_x> wasn't sure
[07:55] <davidandkaz> I've never used linux before
[07:55] <henke> Stan_, it's just a matter of changing the APT sources and doing a 'apt-get dist-upgrade'. Although I'm not going to recommend it, unless you are knowledgeable of the packaging system, and can resolve conflicts.
[07:55] <davidandkaz> I'm SICK of XP
[07:55] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: do you see a little speaker next to the clock (top right of desktop)
[07:55] <Stan_> I know nothing of it.  I instaleed linux last night
[07:55] <davidandkaz> So this is a learning curve
[07:55] <Stan_> installed*
[07:55] <davidandkaz> Yes i do
[07:55] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: try click on that once and adjust the volume; if that doesn't help, double-click and check the volume settings there
[07:56] <edited> i want a aim client for linux which flashes when i receive a message like AIM on windows
[07:56] <davidandkaz> Changed it all so it's all on
[07:56] <davidandkaz> FULL ;-)
[07:56] <edited> gaim doesnt do that
[07:56] <henke> Stan_, then I'd advice you to install Ubuntu from scratch, if that's what you want. If you only installed debian yesterday, there might not be much work lost.
[07:56] <gnat_x> how would i reset root with single user?
[07:56] <littlefae> ...
[07:57] <Stan_> henke_ ok thanks... I am waiting for BitTorrent to download it right now
[07:57] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: hmm
[07:57] <henke> gnat_x, the password?
[07:57] <davidandkaz> hmm
[07:57] <gnat_x> henke: yah.
[07:57] <davidandkaz> ya, i just get beeps from my tower
[07:57] <gnat_x> henke: the installer somehow screwed it up, now i can't get in
[07:57] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: do you know how to get to a terminal window?
[07:57] <davidandkaz> then I boot into windows xp and I have sound
[07:58] <gnat_x> as root anyway
[07:58] <davidandkaz> No, sorry
[07:58] <davidandkaz> how?
[07:58] <henke> gnat_x, there is no root account in a default Ubuntu install.
[07:58] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: Applications -> System tools -> Terminal
[07:58] <gnat_x> henke: but there is a root passwd right?
[07:58] <davidandkaz> done
[07:58] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: it's similar to the command prompt in windows
[07:58] <davidandkaz> oh!
[07:58] <davidandkaz> ok
[07:58] <HappyFool> gnat_x: no, root is disabled. use sudo
[07:58] <henke> gnat_x, you use 'sudo' to run programs as root. You use your users password.
[07:58] <HappyFool> gnat_x: you can enable root with sudo if you so desire
[07:59] <gnat_x> cool, wasn't aware of that.
[07:59] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: ok, i'd like you to run some commands, but don't paste the output here
[07:59] <Gourami> what is the maximum lentgh of a password for smbpassword ?
[07:59] <davidandkaz> sure thing
[07:59] <HappyFool> put it in this pastebin: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:59] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: first command is 'lspci'
[08:00] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: second command is 'lsmod'
[08:00] <Schonhose> HappyFool: are you with the developers?
[08:00] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: first lists pci devices, second lists kernel modules loaded
[08:00] <HappyFool> Schonhose: nope ;)
[08:01] <yahalom> anyone know how i can get mozilla-mplayer to work with galeon?
[08:01] <Gourami> what is the maximum length of a password for smbpassword ?
[08:01] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: kernel modules are a bit like device drivers in windows. this should let us see what hardware you have
[08:02] <kzx> Is there a personal firewall in Ubuntu? I see there are no ports open by default, but still...
[08:02] <davidandkaz> ok, now I've done so
[08:02] <Gourami> kzx use firestarter
[08:02] <Seveas> kzx: Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter.
[08:03] <MagiPink> So, I've got to wondering... Is there anything like TMPGenc for linux? :3
[08:03] <kzx> Does firestarter have a GUI?
[08:03] <BeatYOu> when im running headless server can i uninstall Xserver and still use VNC ?
[08:03] <gnat_x> i tried doing something with sudo, i'm not in the sudoers file
[08:03] <BeatYOu> i'm trying to make it use least memory as possible
[08:03] <Gourami> yes kzx
[08:03] <davidandkaz> past on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl?
[08:03] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: do you know anything about your hardware?
[08:03] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: i see the lspci output, thanks
[08:03] <davidandkaz> little
[08:03] <inemo> !paste
[08:03] <ubotu> somebody said paste was ""http://ubuntu.pastebin.com http://pastebin.com or #flood here on freenode.""
[08:03] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: you seem to have onboard sound?
[08:03] <davidandkaz> right
[08:04] <davidandkaz> a sound card
[08:04] <amonkey> when i boot up i get a box saying error, failed to initialize HAL! why would ig et this error?
[08:05] <Gourami> ok easier question maybe, what is the maximin length of a password in ubuntu ?
[08:05] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: by 'onboard' i mean not a separate card, but part of the motherboard
[08:05] <davidandkaz> aww, ...
[08:05] <gnat_x> how would i add the only user to sudoers file, if it is not there, and there is no root user?
[08:05] <littlefae> How do I kill the dirty rat known as nautilus?
[08:06] <davidandkaz> a card plugged into the mother board
[08:06] <littlefae> It keeps popping up, no matter what window manager or desktop environment I use, even despite the fact that my fave, xfce, has it's own
[08:06] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: what is it? I see only a VIA AC'97 controller, which i suspect is onboard
[08:07] <HappyFool> gnat_x: the only user should be in the admin group, and the admin group should be in the sudoers file
[08:07] <davidandkaz> your right, onboard
[08:07] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: ok. i have a similar sound card, and mine works fine, so there's hope for you ;)
[08:07] <littlefae> Anyone? -_-
[08:07] <davidandkaz> great!
[08:07] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: can you paste the output of lsmod on the pastebin?
[08:08] <HappyFool> oh, you have
[08:08] <gnat_x> HappyFool: yah, should be but isn't
[08:08] <HappyFool> gnat_x: are you in recovery mode on your ubuntu box?
[08:08] <kzx> ...and how do I find firestarter? It's not in my path and I can't find it in synaptic
[08:08] <RobFandango> Does ubuntu support transfer of digital photos from cameras connected to laptop via usb port
[08:09] <gnat_x> biab if it doesn't work.
[08:09] <Gourami> should be in synaptic if you have the right repositories
[08:09] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: lsmod looks ok
[08:09] <davidandkaz> there
[08:09] <davidandkaz> ya?
[08:09] <davidandkaz> wonder what's wrong?
[08:09] <RobFandango> Anybody familiar with Ubuntu
[08:10] <littlefae> It keeps popping up, no matter what window manager or desktop environment I use, even despite the fact that my fave, xfce, has it's own
[08:10] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: ok, let's try 'alsamixer' -- can you start that? (unfortunately cut-and-paste won't work with that)
[08:10] <kzx> Perhaps I am just having trouble figuring out Synaptic...
[08:10] <RobFandango> Hello Happyfool
[08:10] <littlefae> I'm sure my lil problem won't take more than seven seconds to solve. :(
[08:10] <davidandkaz> how do I start alsamixer?
[08:10] <amonkey> gnome won't load, the bars are there but stay blank
[08:10] <amonkey> what can i do?
[08:11] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: that will show you every channel on your card that linux knows about
[08:11] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: make sure 'master' and 'pcm
[08:11] <littlefae> ...
[08:11] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: make sure 'master' and 'pcm' are not muted and are 'on' (say more that 50)
[08:11] <HappyFool> hi RobFandango
[08:11] <RobFandango> Hello Happyfool
[08:12] <HappyFool> littlefae: unfortunately no-one seems to know the answer ;) sorry
[08:12] <HappyFool> littlefae: have you asked maybe in #xfce?
[08:12] <davidandkaz> both maxed
[08:12] <RobFandango> Using livecd of ubuntu and was wondering if ubuntu supports digital camera photo transfer
[08:12] <littlefae> That, at least, would've been nicer to find out, without wasting so much time asking
[08:12] <davidandkaz> surround is muted
[08:12] <littlefae> Eulex you better ask in #ubuntu instead
[08:13] <littlefae> Doesn't anyone know their own OS these days?  It's getting as bad as asking Microsoft for help. >_<
[08:13] <HappyFool> littlefae: i don't use xfce ;)
[08:13] <littlefae> They don't use Ubuntu.
[08:13] <JDahl> RobFandango, my digital camera is detected by hotplug and pictures are automatically imported in gthump
[08:13] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: hrm. are you using the conventional output ? not digital or spdif (or whatever it's called)
[08:13] <littlefae> So much for it being for 'Human beings'.... -_-
[08:13] <JDahl> RobFandango, in fact, it's a great deal simpler than using my camera under WinXP
[08:14] <RobFandango> Hi JDahl - where are pictures stored?
[08:14] <twb_> wow, i just tried dd and it said 'unrecognized option ' /dev/hda1 '...what does that mean?
[08:14] <JDahl> RobFandango, the camera is mounted under /media/usbstick - and pictures remain there unless you copy them somewhere else
[08:15] <sve> could you help me with installation of a USB TV TUner?
[08:15] <RobFandango> JDahl - So camera is detected and media/usbstick is location from which to grab files
[08:15] <sve> Please
[08:15] <RobFandango> jDahl - I mean photos
[08:16] <JDahl> RobFandango, yes
[08:16] <twb_> can someone help me with dd, again...again..
[08:16] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: let's try this: exit alsamixer (ESC) and 'aplay /usr/share/sounds/startup.wav'  -- you here nothing?
[08:16] <HappyFool> twb_: did you have a '-' in front of /dev/hda1?
[08:16] <gnat_x> i can't log in via X, the human theme fails to load. i click on the username field and nothing happens. i am also still not in the sudoers file. and definitely not running in rescue mode
[08:16] <twb_> no
[08:16] <twb_> should i?
[08:17] <HappyFool> twb_: no
[08:17] <RobFandango> JDahl- what about digital media likes SD or compact flash - I have permanent port on my laptop
[08:17] <HappyFool> twb_: oh, sorry, dd requires an 'if=/dev/hda1'
[08:17] <davidandkaz> nothing...BUT, when playing with options I heard i clunk sound when unchecking an option
[08:17] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: ah?
[08:17] <HappyFool> but aplay fails *ponder*
[08:17] <davidandkaz> ya, wierd
[08:18] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: did you get an error message?
[08:18] <HappyFool> twb_: 'man dd' might be useful
[08:18] <davidandkaz> nope
[08:18] <HappyFool> bother
[08:18] <twb_> ah geez, i just did it
[08:18] <twb_> but records in and records out wasn the same
[08:18] <twb_> is that a problem?
[08:19] <gnat_x> so how would i add myself to the sudoers file, or force some kind of root priveleges. that would be a start
[08:19] <davidandkaz> SOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:19] <tom1> i'm having this exact same problem: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31008&highlight=spec+packet
[08:19] <HappyFool> twb_: sounds a bit odd
[08:19] <tom1> any ideas?
[08:19] <HappyFool> gnat_x: you need to boot in recovery mode and fix /etc/sudoers
[08:19] <davidandkaz> I have sound!!
[08:19] <gnat_x> HappyFool: k. fix == ?
[08:19] <twb_> happyfool: and it said no space left on he device, its a brand new 80 gb
[08:19] <TokenBad> cool doom 3 for linux plays on ubuntu...woo!!
[08:19] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: hrm. do you know what you changed/
[08:19] <gnat_x> HappyFool: will i just be able to edit it?
[08:20] <HappyFool> twb_: well, if you're doing 'dd if=/dev/hda1' you're copying the *whole* of your first partition.
[08:20] <RobFandango> HappyFool - does Ubuntu support Digital Media Readers?  I have one built into my laptop for SD etc...
[08:20] <HappyFool> gnat_x: in recovery mode, yes
[08:20] <gnat_x> HappyFool: thanks will try that.
[08:20] <HappyFool> RobFandango: not a clue, sorry. have you looked on the wiki? wiki.ubuntu.com/TitleIndex
[08:20] <twb_> that should only be 40 gb
[08:20] <RobFandango> Not yet - me a newbie
[08:20] <davidandkaz> In volume control I unchecked IEC958 Capture Monitor
[08:20] <HappyFool> twb_: use 'df' to find out how much free space you have
[08:21] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: ok. what's that? ;)
[08:21] <davidandkaz> *blink, Not a clue
[08:21] <twb_> how can i boot from the other HD?
[08:21] <twb_> to try it out
[08:21] <davidandkaz> But I have sound!!!
[08:21] <davidandkaz> hahaha
[08:21] <RobFandango> JDahl:  R U still there?
[08:22] <davidandkaz> Thanks :P
[08:22] <HappyFool> twb_: you can probably play with grub to boot from partitions on your other hard drive
[08:22] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: you seemed to fix it yourself ;)
[08:22] <JDahl> RobFandango, I wasnt paying attention - I dont know about digital media readers
[08:22] <davidandkaz> well, guess it took fiddling around...
[08:22] <davidandkaz> I have no IDEA how linux works
[08:22] <davidandkaz> Not a hot clue
[08:23] <RobFandango> :)  Thanks JDahl.  I appreciate your help.  Will try out the camera again and try to locate the photo files
[08:23] <Gourami> davidandkaz Ubuntu=fiddling imho
[08:23] <brian_> hello
[08:23] <davidandkaz> ?
[08:23] <tom1> i'm having this exact problem
[08:23] <tom1> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31008&highlight=spec+packet
[08:23] <JDahl> RobFandango, I guess you could try to mount it manually... plug it in and see what dmesg tells you
[08:24] <Elmo> hi all
[08:24] <davidandkaz> ok, I have to go|!
[08:24] <davidandkaz> L8er!!
[08:24] <brian_> I'm having problems trying to get a ide hdd to mount
[08:24] <RobFandango> JDahl - Thanks - I'll be back if I have more questions
[08:24] <davidandkaz> thanks happy
[08:24] <HappyFool> cool davidandkaz. go well
[08:24] <Elmo> Anyone give me a hand with an XKB error?
[08:24] <davidandkaz> you too
[08:24] <brian_> is there anybody that could help me out with this?
[08:25] <Elmo> The error is here http://pastebin.com/309026
[08:25] <HappyFool> tom1: maybe the cd is not ide, or something. like super-old-needs-special-drivers ?
[08:25] <Elmo> happend right after I installed the 8.14.13 ati drivers
[08:25] <tom1> HappyFool: it's ATAPI i believe
[08:26] <HappyFool> tom1: ok, in that case i don't know, sorry. just a guess
[08:26] <tom1> :(
[08:26] <gnat_x> so i rebooted into recovery mode. was prompted for a root password, which i don't have because the installer choked. and am still not in the sudoers file.
[08:26] <kzx> brian_: what is the problem, then?
[08:27] <gnat_x> and i also can't log in through gnome.
[08:27] <brian_> kzx: i set up ubuntu and am trying to mount an ide drive that has all my files on. It's ntfs
[08:27] <Elmo> what problem you having brian?
[08:27] <brian_> kzx: i ran winmac_fstab but that won't detect / mount it
[08:28] <kzx> NTFS... aha, I have no idea how well Ubuntu handles that...
[08:28] <HappyFool> gnat_x: you shouldn't be prompted for a password in recovery mode
[08:28] <HappyFool> gnat_x: how have you installed ubuntu? clean install?
[08:28] <brian_> I also tried doing it manually and it wont recognize it either
[08:28] <toasta> hello
[08:28] <brian_> kzx: well , it works fine with my extra sata drive, just not ide
[08:28] <HappyFool> ntfs has read-support out-of-the-box
[08:28] <gnat_x> HappyFool: clean install used the "expert no-hlt" at boot prompt
[08:29] <Elmo> brian, does /sbin/fdisk -l   not show the drive?
[08:29] <HappyFool> gnat_x: oh
[08:29] <HappyFool> gnat_x: i think non-default installs might do things differently re the root account
[08:29] <brian_> i'll try that again, though i believe it didn't last time
[08:29] <maddler> heya all... anyone using  firefox 1.0.4 on x86_64?
[08:29] <HappyFool> gnat_x: were you asked for a root password during install? (would kind've destroy the 'no-halt' thing, i guess...)
[08:30] <Elmo> Not me, my firefox isnt even 1.0.4, although it thinks it is :)
[08:30] <brian_> nope , all it shows is my system drive
[08:30] <lsuactiafner> maddler : yeh but i use a 32bit binary
[08:30] <lsuactiafner> on my 64bit system
[08:30] <toasta> how can find what device a drive is listed as for mounting
[08:30] <bddebian> toasta: Just do mount with no options
[08:30] <maddler> lsuactiafner: was trying to avoid that...
[08:30] <maddler> :)
[08:30] <Oliwer> hi all
[08:30] <lsuactiafner> heh
[08:31] <bddebian> Hello Oliwer
[08:31] <lsuactiafner> doesnt make a differance, i have around 200 tabs open no problem
[08:31] <brian_> i'm running the amd64 ubuntu, could that have anything to do with it?
[08:31] <kzx> brian_: if it doesn't show up there (or in cat /proc/partitions), you may have to reboot and watch the BIOS messages
[08:31] <gnat_x> HappyFool: yes, but they didn't match, and the installer was only going to the second prompt, meaning my first typo was being compared to whatever i retyped. so i just finished the install assuming that i could change it in single user mode.
[08:31] <pipatron> lsuactiafner: Why the HELL do you have 200 tabs open?
[08:31] <littlefae> Look.... Where does Ubuntu store it's 'preferred filebrowser' option?
[08:31] <toasta> okay but how do i know which dev to mount "/dev/?"
[08:31] <nybble> hey all
[08:31] <brian_> it shows up in bios
[08:31] <Elmo> Ok brian
[08:31] <HappyFool> gnat_x: doh
[08:31] <kzx> Did you change the jumpers (master/slave)
[08:31] <lsuactiafner> pipatron : slashdot.org livescience.com physorg.com open all the articles to read later
[08:31] <littlefae> I'm getting nowhere fast here, and not a person in the world seems to give a damn, and it's frustrating
[08:31] <nybble> does anyone have a problem with acpi suspending and hibernateing and mysql stopping the process?
[08:32] <lsuactiafner> some deviantart pics i leave to download when i go sleep
[08:32] <pipatron> lsuactiafner: That's just abusing the browser :P
[08:32] <HappyFool> toasta: 'sudo fdisk -l'
[08:32] <kzx> littlefae: welcome to life
[08:32] <pipatron> littlefae: Why would anyone have to give a damn?
[08:32] <toasta> this shows nothing
[08:32] <HappyFool> littlefae: have you looked in /etc/X11/Xsession.d ?
[08:32] <littlefae> I asked in gnome, and I get patronised, I ask in xfce, and I get 'See #ubuntu'  Ask in here and no-one knows, but this is where I am supposed to go for help
[08:32] <davidandkaz> happy
[08:32] <davidandkaz> one more thing
[08:32] <pipatron> littlefae: If someone knows what your problem is, they will answer
[08:32] <brian_> currently it's slave, but i tried it as master, and also on both the primary and secondary
[08:32] <HappyFool> littlefae: and maybe ~/.xsession, something like that
[08:32] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: shoot
[08:33] <Gourami> lol kzx you still need help with synaptic ?
[08:33] <lsuactiafner> littlefae : prolly look in .gnome
[08:33] <davidandkaz> I found I only have r on my partition
[08:33] <maddler> lsuactiafner: but I can't get the installer working...
[08:33] <davidandkaz> saving is only allowed on my desktop
[08:33] <lsuactiafner> maddler : yeh, ubuntu glibc is teh old
[08:33] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: ntfs only has read support
[08:33] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: oh
[08:33] <gnat_x> HappyFool: is this something where the debian base makes a difference. (ie ability to change root in single)
[08:33] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: sorry, disregard that
[08:33] <littlefae> Well, I'd give a damn, if someone wasn't getting any help, and would search high and low for them.  As thats what a 'community' does. :|
[08:33] <lsuactiafner> maddler : i use a chroot of anohter unnamed distrobution to keep peace...
[08:33] <maddler> hehehehehe
[08:33] <pipatron> littlefae: Linux users sucks, you just have to learn that :)
[08:33] <kzx> Gourami: reading the FAQ. Googled for Ubuntu and firestarter
[08:33] <HappyFool> gnat_x: my system doesn't ask for a password in single-user mode. You seem to have activated ultra-paranoid mode ;)
[08:34] <davidandkaz> Ya, I did a save test on my desktop
[08:34] <davidandkaz> open office doc
[08:34] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: your user only has 'write' rights in /home/david (or whatever your user's called)
[08:34] <davidandkaz> anyways, I'm upgrading my firefox and get errors
[08:34] <HappyFool> littlefae: it is hard to help you if we don't know where to start
[08:34] <Elmo> Anyone wanna take a look at my little XKB problem after installing the 8.14.13 ati drivers?
[08:34] <davidandkaz> Can I change it?
[08:34] <gnat_x> HappyFool: *nod*  well i'll give that a shot, cause short of reinstall, i can't think of any other way to do this.
[08:35] <lsuactiafner> i just extend my fingers..
[08:35] <littlefae> All I know, is that somewhere in Ubuntu, something is set to make nautilus the default filebrowser, and if there is, it must be alterable
[08:35] <delire> how are we all
[08:35] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: i'd recommend sticking with the default
[08:35] <Elmo> dont like nautilus?
[08:35] <lsuactiafner> littlefae : just use cd /where screw filebrowser
[08:35] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: store all your stuff in your home directory
[08:35] <lsuactiafner> or use mc..
[08:35] <toasta> in the device manager it shows my second disk but i dont know what to call for device
[08:35] <littlefae> Despise it.  More and more every minute I'm forced to look at it's ugly ass.
[08:36] <HappyFool> toasta: type 'sudo fdisk -l' in a terminal
[08:36] <littlefae> It reminds me of Windows' active desktop
[08:36] <littlefae> Definition: Always there, impossible to get rid of, lack of support.
[08:36] <toasta> HappyFool: When i do this it does nothing
[08:36] <HappyFool> littlefae: isn't there maybe an xfce directory in /etc/X11 ?
[08:37] <Elmo> Mhmm, at least it doesnt crash every 5 minutes to a white screen with a hyperlink to "restore active desktop"
[08:37] <delire> littlefae: i like vifm alot. apt-cache show vifm.
[08:37] <HappyFool> toasta: nothing? Are you sure you have the 'sudo' ?
[08:37] <davidandkaz> wait, no, it's only read
[08:37] <littlefae> i have a few filemanagers, but nautilus pops up by default, instead of the ones I chose.
[08:37] <toasta> lol no im not
[08:37] <davidandkaz> not write
[08:37] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: what is only read?
[08:38] <delire> littlefae: or choose from this list: http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Utilities/File_Managers/Console/index.shtml
[08:38] <davidandkaz> my root
[08:38] <littlefae> ...
[08:38] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: what do you want to put in root?
[08:38] <davidandkaz> owner,user, and group only have read permissions
[08:38] <littlefae> My problem isn't that I have others... But that I can't stop nautilus from starting
[08:38] <Elmo> ATI made XKB do this, anyone give me some help?  http://pastebin.com/309026
[08:38] <cyphase> hey everyone
[08:38] <littlefae> But thanks anyway
[08:38] <Elmo> 'ello
[08:38] <Moppin> He is looking for a way to chose a different default file manager
[08:39] <littlefae> She. :P
[08:39] <delire> littlefae: i don't use gnome sadly, so can't help. i would 'ls /usr/bin/sensible*' to see if the filebrowser is defined there (though i doubt it).
[08:39] <davidandkaz> I want all permissions
[08:39] <delire> littlefae: nautilus is a bit crap, i agree. when you say 'pops up' do you mean when you click on a folder?
[08:40] <delire> littlefae: or when you download and choose to open something?
[08:40] <MaxeyPad_> is there a way to ignore the md5sum of a deb file when installing a package via apt-get. my package upgrade hangs because of an invalid checksum
[08:40] <x_or> Is the proper way to not boot into gdm to delete the symlinks in /etc/rc*.d?
[08:40] <littlefae> When I'm in firefox and choose open containing folder, and a copule of others
[08:40] <twb_> ugghhhhh i can't et dd to work!!!
[08:41] <delire> littlefae well perhaps you should look for application settings to see what they define as a default file browser. hmm, though i seem to remember somewhere in gnome setting whereby you could define this.
[08:41] <davidandkaz> I says I'm not the owner!
[08:41] <kzx> firefox is annoying like that - to much Gnome integration for me
[08:41] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: this is the unix/linux way
[08:42] <edited> gnome rocks!
[08:42] <delire> x_or: i'd checkout update-rc.d
[08:42] <davidandkaz> not being an owner?
[08:42] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: you can grant your user write-permission if you so desire, but it's better not to
[08:42] <davidandkaz> lol
[08:42] <nybble> does anyone have a problem with mysql and acpi?
[08:42] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: just keep all your stuff in /home/<your-user-name>
[08:42] <chrissturm> nybble, the sleep script stops mysql because the system wont suspend when mysql is loaded
[08:42] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: it makes it much harder to screwup your system
[08:43] <MaxeyPad_> so are some of the ubuntu sites broken right now or what exactly?
[08:43] <Elmo> littlefae: you could just remove nautilus
[08:43] <davidandkaz> so install in home/davidandkaz/folder?
[08:43] <twb_> i need a walk through for dummies on how to duplicate partitions :(
[08:43] <x_or> delire:  perfect.  is there a good way to list all the items?  I just found rcconf as well, but I really need a pure command line solution.
[08:43] <Stan_> on Ubuntu, can I plug-and-play a wirless Lynksys receiver?
[08:44] <HappyFool> davidandkaz: more or less. what do you want to install?
[08:44] <xophEr> How can I resize my desktop icons? Some of them are like huge (because of the png-file I choosed as the icon), what am I to do? thanks
[08:44] <delire> x_or: well i just use 'update-rc.d name remove' or similar. hmm <thinks>
[08:44] <nybble> chrissturm: well mine doesnt do it
[08:44] <davidandkaz> new firefox
[08:44] <nybble> chrissturm: what should i edit?
[08:44] <davidandkaz> errors out
[08:44] <Kyral> Stan_, You mean wireless card?
[08:44] <nybble> chrissturm: sleep.sh?
[08:44] <Stan_> a USB
[08:44] <toasta> HappyFool: Thanks a million
[08:44] <chrissturm> nybble, wait a sec...
[08:44] <davidandkaz> I have 1.0.2
[08:44] <Kyral> Uh, you can try it
[08:44] <x_or> delire:  I suppose I just want to make sure I am using the proper name more than anything.
[08:44] <MaxeyPad_> for whatever reason i'm getting a lot of failed md5s from the ubuntu archives
[08:44] <Kyral> half the stuff I use in Ubuntu I had no clue if it would work, so I plugged it in :D
[08:45] <Stan_> cause this old computer doesn't have a network connection
[08:45] <x_or> delire:  And, remove just removes from the runlevel configuration, but doesn't actually delete the /etc/init.d script or anything, right?
[08:45] <nybble> chrissturm: kk
[08:45] <davidandkaz> ok, well, I have to go:D
[08:45] <davidandkaz> appointment
[08:45] <Kyral> davidandkaz, Use Backports!
[08:45] <Elmo> anyone installed the latest ATI drivers using the Universal installer?  Its giving me an XKB Error --> http://pastebin.com/309026
[08:45] <Kyral> !backports
[08:45] <ubotu> I guess backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[08:45] <chrissturm> nybble: /etc/default/acpi-support
[08:45] <davidandkaz> backports?
[08:45] <delire> x_or: no it does the lot, at least here on my debian machines.
[08:45] <davidandkaz> What's that?
[08:45] <husher> does anyone know if breezy is stable enough to test yet?
[08:45] <nybble> kk
[08:46] <delire> x_or: worst case scenario you manually delete the init script. little harm done, a --reinstall will repair that.
[08:46] <bddebian> husher: I run it at home. But not suggested for the "normal" user
[08:46] <x_or> delire:  Good to know, thanks so much.
[08:46] <delire> x_or: anytime
[08:46] <nybble> brb, testing this
[08:47] <husher> bddebian: i'd like to think of myself as knowledgable enough to run it :)
[08:47] <Monteiro> i have some problems in ubuntu, my memory gets full very quickly and when i execute programs my mouse sometimes freezes in a second, anyone knows how i can resolve this problem ?
[08:47] <Kyral> Monteiro, might be because you are switching to swapspace
[08:47] <qosmos> Does anybody know what the computer system requirements for running Ubuntu Linux is?
[08:47] <Elmo> Monteiro, using KDE?
[08:47] <TokenBad> hmm
[08:47] <husher> bddebian:  last time I heard, the upgrade process broke the whole system; has this been resolved?
[08:47] <TokenBad> I am confused now
[08:47] <TokenBad> I rebooted and now have no sound
[08:47] <HappyFool> TokenBad: what did you change?
[08:48] <husher> TokenBad: check your mixer settings
[08:48] <TokenBad> just installed doom 3 for linux
[08:48] <TokenBad> how do that?
[08:48] <BlueSummer_id> mmmm doom 3
[08:48] <Monteiro> Elmo : gnome :)
[08:48] <brian_> Well everyone.  Thank you for your help
[08:48] <kzx> Holy mother of Theresa! That tip in ubuntuguide about "killall gnome-panel" was more that a little dramatic!
[08:48] <brian_> i'm out to do some more searches
[08:48] <HappyFool> heh
[08:48] <husher> TokenBad: 'alsamixer'
[08:48] <Monteiro> Kyral : is there a away to not use so much the swapspace ?
[08:49] <Kyral> Monteiro, how much memory do you have?
[08:49] <TokenBad> where is that located though
[08:49] <Elmo> TokenBad, what soundcard are you using?
[08:49] <twb_> are cylinders the length of your partition?
[08:49] <Kyral> Swapspace is there for when you run out of ram
[08:49] <husher> TokenBad: in a shell, type 'alsamixer' (without the quotes)
[08:49] <HappyFool> twb_: where do you see this ?
[08:49] <delire> Monteiro: check the swap space is being used, with 'top'. if not ensure swap is actually being used with 'swapon'
[08:49] <twb_> im in fdisk
[08:50] <Elmo> TokenBad, You don't use an audigy 2 do you?
[08:50] <twb_> trying to figure out dd
[08:50] <itz> Where can i expect an usb disc? in mandrake it was at sda1   (special device 1)  i cant find any new stuff in /dev dir either?!
[08:50] <twb_> it won't work
[08:50] <HappyFool> twb_: what exactly do you want to do?
[08:50] <TokenBad> no
[08:50] <utzm> 
[08:50] <twb_> i want my windows partition onto another HDD
[08:50] <utzm> hjh
[08:50] <TokenBad> its nvidia
[08:50] <twb_> thats it
[08:50] <HappyFool> twb_: are the disks identical?
[08:50] <TokenBad> its built in on a gforce board
[08:50] <twb_> in size?
[08:50] <Geekitus> hi
[08:50] <twb_> yes
[08:50] <TokenBad> c-midia chipset
[08:51] <Elmo> check if your PCM has been muted or been lowered
[08:51] <TokenBad> shoot
[08:51] <Monteiro> delire : in a 2GB swapspace it uses 150 megas of swapspace
[08:51] <delire> Elmo: hehe yep, that's a catchall.
[08:51] <Monteiro> Kyral : 256 Mb of RAM (exacly RIM)
[08:51] <HappyFool> twb_: dd if=<onedrive> of=<otherdrive> might work
[08:51] <delire> Monteiro: wowo, why so much swap in the first place?
[08:51] <hajiki> is there a way to add the option 'open' to iwconfig through a config file so I don't have to run my own script to connect to the AP at work?
[08:51] <HappyFool> twb_: you want to overwrite the *whole* drive ?
[08:51] <Elmo> you got a 2gb swap?
[08:51] <TokenBad> in the alsamixer is says pcm is off
[08:51] <qosmos> Does anybody know what the computer system requirements for running Ubuntu Linux are? I'm planning to use Ubuntu on a computer with Intel Pentium 350mhz and 128mb ram, is that good enough??
[08:52] <hajiki> there has to be a way to do it in the interfaces file
[08:52] <Elmo> Highlight PCM and press 'm'
[08:52] <machetti> hi guys i have xine installed but totem doesn't use the xine plugins
[08:52] <twb_> ummm, i have a brand new hd, i just want my windows partition from HERE, on IT
[08:52] <Monteiro> delire Elmo : yes, but that don't change the exagerate use of the swap
[08:52] <delire> Monteiro: i would check you have DMA on for that disk with 'sudo hdparm -d /dev/yourhardisk'
[08:52] <clee> qosmos: I'd recommend adding more RAM if possible
[08:52] <Elmo> then use the up arrow to increase the volume
[08:52] <machetti> does anyone know how i can correct it
[08:52] <HappyFool> twb_: is that a yes? ;)
[08:52] <Elmo> This channel is too fast for my eyes
[08:52] <twb_> overwrite the new one, sur
[08:52] <qosmos> clee: ok, thanks
[08:52] <twb_> sure
[08:53] <delire> Monteiro: be careful with hdparm, without anything after that '-d' it will simply output the DMA status of the disk
[08:53] <machetti> does anyone know how i can get totem to use xine plugins on my pc
[08:53] <itz> Hey anybody... where can i find my usb disc?
[08:53] <husher> qosmos: what do you intend to do with said machine?
[08:53] <Elmo> Who wants to help me fix the mutilation fglrxconfig has performed upon my XKB configs?
[08:53] <HappyFool> twb_: i've never done this, but i can guess. if the target disc is new and empty, nothing much can go wrong
[08:53] <TokenBad> it will not let me do that elmo..if press m it takes me back to prompt
[08:53] <delire> Monteiro: with 'hdparm -d /dev/hda' here i get the output: " using_dma    =  1 (on)" which is good.
[08:53] <Monteiro> delire : i've dma enabled in my disk, ubuntu enables it by default
[08:54] <delire> Monteiro: just check
[08:54] <Elmo> Ok
[08:54] <twb_> ok, i'm game
[08:54] <Elmo> TokenBad, you in gnome?
[08:54] <Monteiro> delire : i've checked
[08:54] <TokenBad> yes
[08:54] <machetti> uname -a
[08:54] <HappyFool> twb_: i would guess the partition tables etc. can only be copied if the disks are identical, i.e., same model
[08:54] <qosmos> husher: as a desktop; surfing mostly
[08:54] <TokenBad> using a terminal
[08:54] <twb_> EW!!!!
[08:54] <HappyFool> ?
[08:54] <Elmo> TokenBad, Open up gnome mixer, should be the lil speaker looking thing on the taskbar
[08:54] <Elmo> assuming a default set-up
[08:54] <husher> qosmos: it'll probably *work*, but I would add more ram, personally
[08:54] <twb_> ahhhh all this time for nothing?
[08:54] <delire> Monteiro: ok, then i don't have much idea. hey don't get too hung up on 'top' by the way, it's a bit illusory. here i am using "Swap:  1550232k total" which is normal
[08:54] <twb_> blasphemus
[08:54] <oliver1> hi everyone. i'm trying to run a kernel but i get kernel panic unable to mount root fs on unknown block (3,3). but i have got ide support, and filesystem support in the kernel.
[08:55] <HappyFool> twb_: i'm sure it's doable, relax
[08:55] <itz> Cen anyone help me a bit with my lost usb disc? :/
[08:55] <oliver1> any other reasons for this happeneing?
[08:55] <machetti> can anyone help me i am trying to set up totem to use xine
[08:55] <machetti> can anyone help me i am trying to set up totem to use xine?
[08:55] <Falc> Is http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/ down? D:
[08:55] <delire> oliver1: check your /boot/grub/menu.lst, and yes make sure BLK_DEV_IDE is enables (or similar name). is this a 2.6.12 kernel?
[08:56] <Monteiro> delire : do u think it is because of the 2GB swapspace ? maybe i should rezise to 512 ?
[08:56] <twb_> ok, im just pressed for time and this MUST be done
[08:56] <machetti> can anyone help me i am trying to set up totem to use xine?
[08:56] <delire> Monteiro: is your system slow?
[08:56] <delire> Monteiro: use hdparm to check for write speeds.
[08:56] <qosmos> husher: i'm using windwos 2000 on it right now with no problems. Ubuntu shouldn't be any prob too right?
[08:56] <TokenBad> well did that...and it shows the speaker now..without being greyed out
[08:56] <TokenBad> so guess its working now
[08:56] <oliver1> delire, yeah 2.6.12.2
[08:56] <Elmo> TokenBad, K lol :)
[08:56] <oliver1> i'll double check the ide stuff
[08:56] <husher> qosmos: no, probably not.
[08:56] <Seveas> goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodevening #ubuntu :))
[08:56] <Elmo> 'ello
[08:56] <HappyFool> twb_: you've created a partition on the target drive?
[08:57] <delire> Monteiro: 'hdparm -t /dev/yourhardisk'
[08:57] <Falc> When I sudo apt-get install idle; I get Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/python2.4/idle-python2.4_2.4.1-0_all.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[08:57] <Seveas> Falc, try apt-cache clean and retry
[08:57] <Monteiro> delire : 28 mb/s
[08:57] <delire> oliver1: ok, i think i know what's up.. there's been a shuffle around in the way IDE's are handled
[08:57] <oliver1> delire, yeah? i can't figure it out at all
[08:57] <oliver1> menu.lst looks ok
[08:58] <delire> Monteiro: i get: Timing buffered disk reads:   68 MB in  3.03 seconds =  22.4
[08:58] <delire> oliver1: gimme a mo
[08:58] <qosmos> husher: I mean doesn't Win2000 demand more of your computer than Ubuntu? Or are they the same in that respect
[08:58] <Elmo> Anyone installed the latest ATI drivers using the universal installer?  Im getting XKB Errors as shown here --> http://pastebin.com/309026
[08:58] <oliver1> cool thanks
[08:58] <machetti> can anyone help me i am trying to set up totem to use xine?
[08:58] <underline> hey guys, i'm trying to install cinelerra on my ubuntu, but it didn't work. I'm using some tuto i found, could anyone gimme some source to install a deb pkg??
[08:59] <twb_> i tried, but nothing happened
[08:59] <twb_> at least i dont think anything happened
[08:59] <Monteiro> delire : i was using T , it's 60 MB in  3.02 seconds =  19.88 MB/sec
[08:59] <HappyFool> twb_: did you write the partition table to the disk?
[08:59] <Seveas> machetti, aptitude install totem-xine
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> underline,  check the ubuntu wiki's and forums yet - see if others have installed it. and what problems they had?
[08:59] <jeroen_> qosmos, even if it is too hard on your computer (probably not), you could install another, speedier desktop environment
[09:00] <twb_> apperently not, because i tried booting from it and it kept saying 'choose proper boot device'
[09:00] <itz> I cant find usb hard drive with dmesg or in /dev plzzzzz help me now :(
[09:00] <HappyFool> twb_: well, if there's nothing on the partition, it can't boot from it
[09:00] <Seveas> itz, what *does* dmesg show after you plug it in?
[09:00] <HappyFool> twb_: also, there's probably no mbr
[09:00] <underline> Dr_Willis, some unsatisfied deps...
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> itz,  unplug it, plug it back in.. check dmesg out put.
[09:00] <qosmos> jeroen: which do you recommend? I like Gnome btw
[09:00] <Nebular> anyone know anything about ndiswrapper and wpasupplicant. when I try to authenticate I seem to get stuck
[09:00] <twb_> ahah!
[09:00] <twb_> thats it
[09:00] <twb_> i need the mbr
[09:01] <twb_> but where to get it?
[09:01] <HappyFool> twb_: if you have a winxp disk you can use fixmbr
[09:01] <twb_> and i do
[09:01] <jeroen_> qosmos, Gnome is nice, and the default, but if it's too slow you could try XFCE
[09:01] <delire> oliver1: in the section, Drivers --> ATA/ATAPI/.. make sure that Generic/default IDE chipset support is enabled with 'Y' and that PCI IDE chipset support is enabled. ensure that Generic PCI IDE chipset support is **disabled**
[09:01] <Elmo> Anyone know anywhere that ships out free mousemants?
[09:01] <Elmo> or mousemats** :P
[09:01] <twb_> ok, so boot from xp disc?
[09:01] <bkv> i'd like to install off a usb dvd drive but when i press f8 at startup and select it, the pc carries on searching the floppy drive and then loading xp, doesnt touch the usb drive, any ideas?
[09:01] <HappyFool> twb_: yip
[09:01] <qosmos> jeroen: ok, thanks i'll check it out
[09:01] <Monteiro> delire : going to lunch see ya
[09:01] <delire> HappyFool: hmm forgot about fixmbr
[09:01] <oliver1> delire, i;ll give it a go. thanks for the help.
[09:02] <HappyFool> delire: i only know because ppl regularly break things in interesting ways around here ;)
[09:02] <bkv> some kind of usb boot disk would be great but i cant find anything
[09:02] <husher> qosmos: i'd say that's a fair statement.  Ubuntu shouldn't be any worse than win2k; if anything, it should be more lightweight
[09:02] <merriam> twb_: you want to move a file system to another partition?
[09:02] <Seveas> husher, wel.... KDE is MUCH heavier than w2k...
[09:02] <delire> oliver1: as i say, things have moved around a little. you will find that other 2.6.* .configs probably don't give you a bootable system with a 2.6.12.* kernel
[09:03] <twb_> emmmm, i want to move a file system to another HD
[09:03] <qosmos> husher: thanks husher, thats what i wanted to hear
[09:03] <qosmos> Seveas: what about Gnome?
[09:03] <delire> Seveas: i don't know about that! totally different things.
[09:03] <Kyral> qosmos, if you are quite worried, you can install XFCE instead
[09:03] <Seveas> qosmos, gnome isn't the lightest, but should be lighter than w2k
[09:03] <Seveas> what are your specs?
[09:03] <pluffsy> hello
[09:03] <Elmo> So who wants to help me with XKB Errors? anyone??
[09:04] <merriam> twb_: what type of partition?
[09:04] <Seveas> Elmo, using drivers grabbed from the ati site is not supported...
[09:04] <qosmos> Kyral: yes, i was recommended that erlier and would defenitaly check it out
[09:04] <Grobi> hi, is there a image-viewer like irfan-view for ubuntu???
[09:04] <merriam> twb_: I mean what type of file system?
[09:04] <Seveas> Grobi, gthumb perhaps?
[09:04] <Kyral> Eye of GNOME :P
[09:04] <pluffsy> I've not quite understood the relationship between ubuntu and debian to the fullest. how does debians lately security problems affect ubuntu users?
[09:04] <delire> Grobi: gthumb is good
[09:04] <merriam> twb_: have you tried partimage?
[09:04] <Grobi> thx men, i'll check it out!
[09:05] <toasta> Does anyone know why ubuntu never asked me for a root pssw during isnstall, i have never used ubuntu but would like to try
[09:05] <chrissturm> pluffsy, not at all, except that there was no real security problem
[09:05] <qosmos> Seveas: nice to hear, I think i'll try Gnome and see if it runs ok
[09:05] <Seveas> toasta: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:05] <delire> pluffsy: there are no security problems. that is FUD really.
[09:05] <Seveas> toasta, there is no root password by default
[09:05] <Kyral> toasta, Ubuntu doesn't use the Root Account
[09:05] <toasta> ahhh
[09:05] <Elmo> Seveas, I tried reverting back to my old xorg.conf, but im still getting the XKB errors
[09:05] <Moppin> twb_, parted is a good partition move/resize utility that I think will move a part from one drive to another for you.
[09:05] <oliver1> righto wish me luck :)
[09:05] <delire> pluffsy: they were just a bit overworked and the debian press manager exaggerrated.
[09:05] <pluffsy> oh great.
[09:05] <pluffsy> :)
[09:05] <twb_> i want to move Windows onto another HD
[09:06] <harold_> Hello everyone
[09:06] <merriam> twb_: what Windows?  fat32?
[09:06] <Seveas> hello harold_
[09:06] <Kyral> twb_, Windows won't like that
[09:06] <twb_> xp
[09:06] <harold_> Hello Seveas
[09:06] <delire> pluffsy: they are now working with 21 on the security packages but of course you won't hear about that.
[09:06] <Kyral> it WILL kill windows for you
[09:06] <merriam> twb_: It's the file system type that matters.
[09:06] <Seveas> Kyral, not neccessarily
[09:06] <delire> pluffsy: 21, up from 7 when the article was posted ;)
[09:06] <twb_> windows can eat it, itll do what i say
[09:06] <Seveas> Kyral, with some grub wizardry, windows won't notice it :)
[09:06] <pluffsy> delire: 21 developers or what do you mean?
[09:07] <merriam> twb_: I use partimage to move windows partitions.  It works.  I haven't tried it with ntfs.
[09:07] <twb_> umm, well, shouldnt xp be fat32?
[09:07] <delire> pluffsy: yeah, maintainers
[09:07] <Kyral> yah, well, I have ZERO faith in XP's abilities :D
[09:07] <Moppin> twb_, just some grub configuration and windows will do what you want
[09:07] <qosmos> Seveas: you asked for my computer specs? pentium 350mhz with 128mb ram
[09:07] <pluffsy> delire: okey, yeah that sounds really serious. even 7 seems quite a lot...
[09:07] <delire> pluffsy: see http://planet.debian.org for more info. it's a post in there somewhere.
[09:07] <pluffsy> even though it's a big system of course...
[09:07] <merriam> twb_: if it's fat32, partimage certainly can do it.
[09:07] <Seveas> qosmos, with a swap of at leas 512-768 MB, that will run gnome
[09:07] <Kyral> hmmm
[09:07] <ubuntu_> hey
[09:07] <twb_> o me o me...is there any easy way that a Linux nubster can move xp to a new hd.....
[09:07] <harold_> Seveas: So I've got Warty installed, and I'm upgrading to Hoary.  I've changes my /etc/apt/sources.list and ran apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, but it appears I've run out of space on the drive (which is only 2GB). Which packages should I remove to clear space for the upgrade?
[09:07] <Kyral> I just decided what I want on my tombstone when I die
[09:08] <merriam> twb_: I'm trying to tell you.  yes
[09:08] <delire> pluffsy: debian has an excellent reputation, so that when they are stressed or something slips, the world knows about it.
[09:08] <twb_> partimage can be obtained through Synaptic?
[09:08] <Moppin> merriam, I've moved NTFS around with parted.  Haven't tried partimage
[09:08] <Kyral> "LINUX FOREVER!!"
[09:08] <twb_> ok, im all eyes
[09:08] <delire> Kyral: muarharharhar
[09:08] <Elmo> where are the xkb configurations kept?
[09:08] <qosmos> Seveas: ok, thanks it will be Ubuntu with Gnome then
[09:08] <Kyral> But I'm, 19 why the hell am I thinking about THAT?!
[09:08] <Seveas> harold_, hmm, the upgrade downloads all packages before installing them, so during install you need a lot of hard drive space, I think you'd better upgrade from an Ubuntu CD
[09:08] <bkv> can anyone help with my usb boot problem or direct me to another channel?
[09:09] <Seveas> bkv, can you state/repeat your problem please
[09:09] <bkv> i'd like to install off a usb dvd drive but when i press f8 at startup and select it, the pc carries on searching the floppy drive and then loading xp, doesnt touch the usb drive, any ideas?
[09:09] <delire> qosmos: ubuntu has the best implementation of Gnome i have used. it's beautifully put together and represents the cutting edge of gnome development.
[09:09] <harold_> Seveas: That didn't work from my PowerBook G3/BootX combo, for some reason.  Tried it last night.  I'd rather do the /etc/apt/sources.list way if possible.
[09:09] <nalioth_wrkn> delire: i agree with you %100, this is the best gnome i've experienced
[09:09] <bkv> my laptop cd drive is broken so i was going to use floppies and do a net install of debian but now i thought i'd try this first
[09:10] <Seveas> bkv, are you sure your motherboard/drive support that?
[09:10] <merriam> twb_: yes, partimage is in universe.
[09:10] <Moppin> delire, I agree with you as well.  I used to be a full time Fluxbox and FVWM2 user.
[09:10] <bkv> well it must if it shows up in the f8 boot menu
[09:10] <qosmos> delire: yes, everybody i've talked to recommend Ubuntu as Linux dist
[09:10] <Seveas> harold_, odd, you should be able to use apt-cd add to add the CD to the sources.list
[09:10] <twb_> universe?
[09:10] <Moppin> delire, This is the first time I've used a WM like Gnome or KDE for longer than a week
[09:10] <nalioth_wrkn> Seveas: harold_ has no optical drive
[09:10] <delire> Moppin: i don't use Gnome actually, i use http://wmi.modprobe.de, but am a big fan of Ubuntu's use of Gnome.
[09:10] <Seveas> harold_, I don't think there is an easy way to accomplish what you want
[09:10] <harold_> Seveas: Good idea; i hadn't considered that.
[09:10] <bkv> is there a way to put the ubuntu files on my xp partition and install from that then?
[09:10] <delire> Moppin: ;)
[09:10] <Seveas> nalioth_wrkn, ah
[09:11] <twb_> ohh this is an ISO type of jive, eh?
[09:11] <nalioth> bkv: the woody image trick didnt work?
[09:11] <Seveas> harold_, you need an install CD of hoary, but you should *not* boot from it
[09:11] <harold_> nalioth: Still, i can access the CD while the powerbook is networked to the other computer with the CD drive.
[09:11] <delire> qosmos: Ubuntu and Mepis are the best Desktop distributions i've used, and I've looked at many.
[09:11] <bkv> havent tried it yet, i havent got any floppies so it'll have to wait for now
[09:11] <nalioth> harold_: then proceed with apt-cdrom goodness
[09:11] <harold_> nalioth: LOL, I'll proceed with that good voodoo
[09:12] <harold_> Seveas: I'll let you know how it works out.
[09:12] <qosmos> delire: never heard of Mepis, there are many dists our there
[09:12] <harold_> Until later, all...
[09:12] <qosmos> out
[09:12] <Ketamina> server ircchat.terra.cl 7000
[09:13] <twb_> merrian: i got partimage
[09:13] <qosmos> thanks all for the help
[09:13] <nalioth> qosmos: mepis USED to be in ubuntus place, but since ubuntu came along, mepis just don't cut it anymore
[09:13] <kbrooks> nalioth, why?
[09:13] <nybble> chrissturm: thanks
[09:14] <harold_> ...bye for now!
[09:14] <harold_> Uh oh, I don't know exactly what to put for my cd source
[09:14] <nalioth> kbrooks: have you used mepis lately?
[09:14] <Smerdiachcov> neddddd
[09:14] <delire> qosmos it's absolutely excellent, but includes alot of 'non-free' software. great for gamers and multimedia artists 'dependent' on Java, Flash, proprietary codecs and drivers. i teach on Mepis at university. Mepis really does just work. Ubuntu however, has much more integrity and is more ambitious as an overall design and as a cultural movement.
[09:14] <BlueSummer_id> http://ubuntulinuxhttp://ubuntulinux.org/http://ubuntulinux.org/http://ubuntulinux.org/http://ubuntulinux.org/http://ubuntulinux.org/http://ubuntulinux.org/.org/
[09:14] <BlueSummer_id> oops
[09:14] <Kyral> Ubuntu FOREVER!! :D
[09:14] <BlueSummer_id> stupid mouse button >_>
[09:14] <kbrooks> nalioth, no, but i'll have to ask you to explain, please
[09:14] <nalioth> kbrooks: delire hit it on the head
[09:14] <bkv> i was going with mandriva till i read all the ubuntu stuff
[09:14] <Seveas> BlueSummer_id, you don't have to spam for Ubuntu in here :)
[09:14] <edited> lol
[09:14] <kbrooks> nalioth, who is delire
[09:14] <delire> nalioth: oh shush ;)
[09:15] <edited> <3 ubuntu!
[09:15] <merriam> twb_: so try it out.  It's a good way to fix Windows.  Use it to move your Windows installation to a file for backup.  You can then move it to another disk.
[09:15] <qosmos> yes, Ubuntu seems to be the future Linux envourement
[09:15] <kbrooks> and how did he hit it on the head
[09:15] <nalioth> kbrooks: read what delire said to qosmos
[09:15] <kbrooks> ah
[09:15] <kbrooks> ok
[09:15] <qosmos> bye all and thanks for help
[09:15] <Kyral> Bah, I use Ubuntu because it rocks. (Yes I use the proprietary codecs like crazy)
[09:15] <merriam> twb_: when Windows goes wrong, restore it from the file.
[09:15] <twb_> how can i tell if the new disk is even detected?
[09:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ubuntu does rock i  love it ^_^
[09:15] <merriam> twb_: again, cfdisk
[09:16] <twb_> oh, :|
[09:16] <BlueSummer_id> Seveas,  i didn't mean to my mouse wheel is paste for some bizzare reason lol
[09:16] <AppleMacFreak> Announcement from my owner (inemo): I will be back..
[09:16] <twb_> it only shows my 2 current partitions
[09:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i may have to go back to winsuks >.<
[09:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> even though ubuntu is awsome
[09:17] <delire> AppleMacFreak is a confusing character.
[09:17] <merriam> twb_: you have to tell it which drive to look at.
[09:17] <twb_> bom bom bom...?
[09:17] <Seveas> inemo..?
[09:17] <OldWorldHarold> I can't use my usual name Harold as it's already in use.  Wonder what gives?
[09:17] <delire> precis..?
[09:17] <kbrooks> ChurcH_of_FoamY, why?
[09:18] <ubuntu_> how do i use the live cd to backup data? gnome went plop
[09:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kbrooks it won't play this one game i have all my other games work though
[09:18] <ubuntu_> i turned my pc on nd it froze wen loading modules
[09:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> just beutifully
[09:18] <inemo> Seveas: sorry, sent wrong command
[09:18] <twb_> so, if i want to look at the other drive....
[09:18] <OldWorldHarold> ChurcH, how's that Ubuntu?
[09:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i love it man its awsome ^_^
[09:18] <ubuntu_> i resarted nd it wouldnt load the gnome menu
[09:18] <delire> AppleMacFreak: inemo owns you?
[09:18] <merriam> twb_: for example,  cfdisk /dev/hdb
[09:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just want to play this one game
[09:19] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what is the game?
[09:19] <ubuntu_> so ho do i use the live cd to copy stuff to memory cards?
[09:19] <bubonik> hello
[09:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> aeRO RagnaroK
[09:19] <twb_> YYESSSS its there!!
[09:19] <twb_> and empty
[09:19] <merriam> twb_: this stuff is in the manual.  man cfdisk
[09:19] <AppleMacFreak> delire: he does indeed
[09:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm already hooked on linux to have this game run in linux would be the icing on the cake for me
[09:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> all my other games work just fine
[09:20] <Seveas> inemo, is AppleMacFreak a bot..?
[09:20] <bubonik> I have a problem with kubuntu : I'd like to know if it is possible to install packages without being connected to the Internet (excuse me for my bad English)
[09:20] <inemo> Seveas: you got me :)
[09:20] <inemo> %version
[09:20] <AppleMacFreak> inemo: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.0rc3.  The newest version available online is 0.83.0rc3.
[09:20] <Seveas> inemo, please remove it
[09:20] <inemo> Seveas: sure thing
[09:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> delire that game looks awsome anygood?
[09:21] <Jonax> ChurcH_of_FoamY, what is the game in question?
[09:21] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it
[09:21] <inemo> Seveas: sorry, it was set to join all the channels I do
[09:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> aeRO RagnaroK
[09:21] <delire> ..is great yes..
[09:21] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: some real innovations in the design
[09:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nice
[09:21] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: spheres of chaos is good too.
[09:21] <nalioth> harold_: you are ghosting
[09:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Jonax aeRO RagnaroK
[09:21] <twb_> this will explain how to copy a OS to another H?
[09:21] <nalioth> OldWorldHarold: you are ghosting
[09:21] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: gate88 also.. similar. space RTS
[09:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nice
[09:22] <ubuntu_> any ideas on the live cd?
[09:22] <OldWorldHarold> nalioth: Is that, "showing up more than once"?
[09:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just want to get this game to work or find a really good free MMORPG
[09:22] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what is the game?
[09:22] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Aero Ragnarok?
[09:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes
[09:23] <nalioth> OldWorldHarold: yes, your client was shutdown improperly, and didnt tell the server you were gone
[09:23] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: i'll try it now here.
[09:23] <twb_> you've been more than helpful
[09:23] <OldWorldHarold> nalioth: I'm trying to dig up what I should add to /etc/apt/sources.list to access the CD (Hoary).
[09:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> good luck
[09:23] <oliver1> no luck booting my kernel with generic pci ide support disabled. still getting the same kernel panic
[09:23] <nalioth> OldWorldHarold: "man apt-cdrom"
[09:23] <BlueSummer_id> Anyone know when i create an alias ( alias steam="cd /home/rob/TransGaming_Drive/Program\ Files/Valve/Steam/ && cedega Steam.exe &") when i close the terminal and type in the command it doesn't work but if i've used the alias and keep the term open it works :S
[09:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> delire don't be surprised if after you get it to run that it becomes the most addicting game you have ever played
[09:24] <OldWorldHarold> nalioth: Thanks.  I'll be gone awhile.
[09:24] <oliver1> delire, no luck booting my kernel with generic pci ide support disabled. still getting the same kernel panic
[09:24] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: where's a link. i only find italian pages for the game
[09:24] <oliver1> delire, any other ideas?
[09:25] <znh> How to let vncserver pick icewm instead of gnome?
[09:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> delire one tick
[09:25] <HumanPrototype> any1?
[09:25] <delire> oliver1: ok.. try ext2 compiled in, ext3 as a module. i'll post my config for an Asus Laptop ok?
[09:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> delire http://www.aerogaming.net/
[09:25] <oliver1> delire, cool. will try that
[09:25] <delire> hah cheers
[09:26] <oliver1> delire, tho, my partitions are all reiser. will that make a diff?
[09:26] <mcmillan_33> hi. are there any instructions for tweaking xorg.conf for nvidia cards? my opengl applications seems to jump every few seconds
[09:26] <BlueSummer_id> Anyone know when i create an alias ( alias steam="cd /home/rob/TransGaming_Drive/Program\ Files/Valve/Steam/ && cedega Steam.exe &") when i close the terminal and type in the command it doesn't work but if i've used the alias and keep the term open it works :S
[09:26] <itz> Hi are there any experrts on mounting issues here?
[09:26] <BlueSummer_id> Seveas^
[09:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> delire you will need to find the SAK_SETUP1228.exe file though (exact filename)
[09:26] <apollo2011> Can someone help me with Anjuta? I used it on SuSE but now on Ubuntu, all the includes and library paths are missing and I don't know what the paths are...
[09:26] <GordonF> my issues are always mounting :)
[09:26] <toasta> thanks everyone, im sure ill be back soon :)
[09:26] <nalioths_dog> BlueSummer_id: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[09:26] <BlueSummer_id> He's an expert on just about all gnome issues
[09:26] <itz> k great
[09:26] <BlueSummer_id> nalioth,  i said it twice, sue me.
[09:27] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: oh, it's a windows game. hmm.. don't know. ok i'll give it a go.
[09:27] <BlueSummer_id> nalioths_dog,  i said it twice, sue me.
[09:27] <nalioth> BlueSummer_id: no new terminals allow the use of the alias?
[09:27] <Seveas> BlueSummer_id, aliases add an extra shell to be executed
[09:27] <itz> Seveas,  can u help me plzz? i get usb disc at scsi1 or 2 but not in /dev
[09:27] <pdkl> apollo, you need to install the essential development packages
[09:27] <itz> so ui cant mount it
[09:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> delire thats the spirit ^_^
[09:27] <pdkl> i dont know the name off hand of the package
[09:27] <delire> oliver1: make sure you have fs support compiled in for resierfs
[09:27] <BlueSummer_id> nalioth,  nope :(
[09:27] <BlueSummer_id> Seveas,  ok
[09:27] <oliver1> delire, it's definately in the kernel
[09:27] <Seveas> BlueSummer_id, closing the main terminal will close the subshell, which then will close steam (if i memorized it all correct)
[09:27] <nalioth> BlueSummer_id: any error msgs?
[09:27] <BlueSummer_id> nalioth,  nope
[09:28] <Seveas> itz, i'm no USB guru, sorry
[09:28] <itz> darn :(
[09:28] <znh> how to remove gnome?
[09:28] <itz> its so strange... it comes up everywhere but it wont get to /dev
[09:28] <delire> oliver1: what architecture?
[09:28] <BlueSummer_id> Seveas,  I understand that but i thought the alias should remain there so i can type "steam" to open my program from any term
[09:28] <Seveas> znh, use debfoster to clean out all gnome packages
[09:28] <BlueSummer_id> znh,  you wanna remove it or just add an extra?
[09:28] <twb_> what is /dev/dm inode?
[09:28] <znh> BlueSummer_id: remove it
[09:28] <Seveas> BlueSummer_id, create a simple shell function that does that
[09:29] <oliver1> delire, i386. i've selected P4 for the kernel processor type
[09:29] <BlueSummer_id> ok
[09:29] <BlueSummer_id> Seveas,  how?
[09:29] <nalioth> BlueSummer_id: did you 'source' your .bashrc (or wherever you put the alias)?
[09:29] <Seveas> BlueSummer_id, or use alias steam="cedega /path/to/steam.exe"
[09:29] <Moppin> I was going to say, can't you just add it to your .bashrc file?
[09:29] <BlueSummer_id> what is my .bashrc file?
[09:29] <HumanPrototype> how do i mount my normal home folder so i can take my files off it so i can reinstall as grub is broken
[09:29] <nalioth> BlueSummer_id: the place you are sposed to place aliases
[09:29] <Seveas> BlueSummer_id, hmm, I might have misunderstood your problem....
[09:30] <nalioth> Seveas: not in the $path, i dont think
[09:30] <delire> oliver1: http://selectparks.net/julian/tmp/2.6.12.1-config
[09:30] <BlueSummer_id> Seveas,  it's ok
[09:30] <Seveas> HumanPrototype, mount /dev/somewhere /path/to/mouny/it
[09:30] <oliver1> delire, thanks i'll take a look
[09:30] <nalioth> BlueSummer_id: aliases go into your ~/.bashrc
[09:30] <Seveas> BlueSummer_id, can you rephrase your problem
[09:30] <Moppin> BlueSummer_id, your ~/.bashrc file is executed every time you open a bash shell.  So if you put your alias commands there it will be available to you every time
[09:30] <BlueSummer_id> the allias i'm using is: alias steam="cd /home/rob/TransGaming_Drive/Program\ Files/Valve/Steam/ && cedega Steam.exe &"
[09:30] <delire> oliver1: diff against that. it's for a Pentium M, and by no means 'cleaned' but check for fundamental differences against that.
[09:31] <BlueSummer_id> nalioth,  Moppin  ty, how do i edit my ~/.bashrc? sudo gedit ~/.bashrc?
[09:31] <nalioth> BlueSummer_id: no sudo needed
[09:31] <Seveas> and when you use the alias you cannot close the terminal, otherwise steam is closed, right?
[09:31] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: the download link is broken and they say they are experiencing many problems at the server end.
[09:31] <nalioth> BlueSummer_id: it belongs to you
[09:31] <BlueSummer_id> ok ty
[09:31] <nalioth> Seveas: he has & on the end
[09:31] <HumanPrototype> Seveas, how do i know which /dev/somewhere is the one i have stuff installed on?
[09:32] <Seveas> HumanPrototype, sudo fdisk -l will tell you which partitions are linux filesystems
[09:32] <lumberjack> hey when i install cedega with tar -zxvf from the /home/me folder it just installs it there
[09:32] <lumberjack> instead of installing it properly
[09:32] <nalioth> lumberjack: tar zxvf only uncompresses the contents of the tar
[09:32] <lumberjack> oh
[09:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> delire the servers on now my girl is on it on the winbox next to me now
[09:32] <delire> lumberjack: you have just 'unzipped' it
[09:33] <nalioth> lumberjack: you need to go into the uncompressed directory and read the 'README'
[09:33] <lumberjack> it makes a /usr/lib in my home dir
[09:33] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: this link is broken: http://www.aerogaming.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=1688
[09:34] <nalioth> lumberjack: ah, perhaps you should read on the cedega site, how to deal with the tar.gz
[09:34] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it looks like i have to setup an account. sorry, not keen to do that for a windows binary that may not work on my linux machines. i have no windows machines around to make use of it.
[09:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> understood
[09:34] <LokeDK> is there a way to.. well an example.. install xfce4 with apt-get and easilly be able to remove it and it's packages again?
[09:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i was gonna give you the files and let you use my account to test it though
[09:34] <nalioth> BlueSummer_id: when you're finished editing your .bashrc, and have saved it, you need to go open a NEW terminal and see if it works
[09:34] <delire> LokeDK: apt-get remove package
[09:35] <nalioth> LokeDK: yes
[09:35] <delire> LokeDK: or dpkg -P package
[09:35] <twb_> anyone know how to use partimage..?
[09:35] <twb_> cause i dont
[09:35] <LokeDK> will that remove the other packages that belongs to it?
[09:35] <nalioth> LokeDK: it should
[09:35] <Seveas> LokeDK, no
[09:35] <Seveas> LokeDK, debfoster will do that for you
[09:35] <delire> LokeDK: no it won't remove the package. use debfoster yes
[09:35] <Seveas> apt-get cannot handle dependencies
[09:35] <oliver1> delire, is it ok to leave ramfs out of the kernel if you need modules in the initrd?
[09:35] <Seveas> aptitude can
[09:36] <BlueSummer_id> nalioth,  and Moppin  TY!!!!! It works now, /ecstatic :)
[09:36] <BlueSummer_id> Seveas,  also thank you for your help
[09:36] <nalioth> Seveas: what? dependencies removal or ????
[09:36] <nalioth> BlueSummer_id: aliases are addictive
[09:36] <LokeDK> how to use it? "No manual entry for debfoster"
[09:36] <Seveas> nalioth, indeed :)
[09:36] <BlueSummer_id> lol nalioth  i can see they are aswel :P
[09:36] <Seveas> nalioth, indeed again :)
[09:36] <delire> oliver1: ahah that may be it. yeah RAMFS support is support for initrd images
[09:36] <nalioth> BlueSummer_id: they will keep you from using any other computer
[09:36] <LokeDK> the command doesn't even exist doh
[09:36] <BlueSummer_id> nalioth,  rofl :P
[09:37] <Seveas> nalioth, I have aliases for all machines I have an account on :(
[09:37] <Seveas> :)
[09:37] <oliver1> delire, it was in my other config, but not in yours
[09:37] <Moppin> Just don't alais things like ipconfig=ifconfig and dir=ls -la.  Leads to bad habbits but I see a bunch of ppl do it.
[09:37] <nalioth> LokeDK: first, you should install it
[09:37] <delire> oliver1: i took it out. i'm moving away from RAM disks, i no longer see the point.
[09:37] <nalioth> Seveas: yes, me too, but we have been using *nix for a few weeks, no? lol
[09:37] <Adr3nalin> i just installed Linux .... so don't laugh .... now i got an option to boot XP ... but when i select it, it comes up with an error .... anyone?
[09:37] <HumanPrototype> Sevas, how do i get access to the home directory - it wants me to be my normal user
[09:37] <LokeDK> done that now
[09:37] <oliver1> delire, ok, i'll put it in for now.
[09:37] <apollo2011> Can someone help me with Anjuta? I used it on SuSE but now on Ubuntu, all the includes and library paths are missing and I don't know what the paths are...
[09:37] <Seveas> nalioth, I mean aliases on this machine to log into other machines
[09:38] <BlueSummer_id> lol
[09:38] <nalioth> Adr3nalin: i don't see a problem   :)
[09:38] <Seveas> like: alias nuts='ssh dennis@kaarsemaker.net'
[09:38] <LokeDK> I say thanks :)
[09:38] <BlueSummer_id> Adr3nalin,  what do you need xp for that linux can't?
[09:38] <Adr3nalin> nalioth: thought you might say that :P
[09:38] <nalioth> Seveas: your accounts dont have rsynced aliases?
[09:38] <LokeDK> brb
[09:38] <Adr3nalin> BlueSummer_id: i need to boot both because i am not used to ubuntu's interface ....
[09:38] <Seveas> nalioth, no, i am working on homedir synchronization
[09:39] <Adr3nalin> so to burn a quick cd, i would use XP
[09:39] <Adr3nalin> see
[09:39] <Seveas> nut still have to find a good way for it
[09:39] <nalioth> Adr3nalin: what is the error?
[09:39] <Adr3nalin> erm lemme get it quickly
[09:39] <Adr3nalin> *reboots*
[09:39] <nalioth> Adr3nalin: to burn a cd quick, i'd use k3b
[09:39] <HumanPrototype> Sevas, how do i get access to the home directory - it wants me to be my normal user??
[09:39] <BlueSummer_id> Adr3nalin,  ahhh ok, i've had ubuntu for the past couple days :P. It is really good :). XFCE is a nice interface than gnome ;). Once you have added extra repositiories type: sudo apt-get install xfce4, then when u restart/logout click session and click XFCE4 :P
[09:39] <BlueSummer_id> Adr3nalin,  nicer*
[09:40] <Adr3nalin> holy shit ... lol ... i dunno what that is BlueSummer_id: first time EVER i am using linux
[09:40] <BlueSummer_id> Adr3nalin,  i'll pm you ;)
[09:40] <Adr3nalin> thanks :P
[09:40] <Adr3nalin> not to dirty now
[09:40] <nalioth> Adr3nalin: you'll be fine, what is the error you get when you try to load windoze?
[09:40] <m4x> can mysql be installed thry synaptic?
[09:40] <Adr3nalin> ;p
[09:40] <nalioth> m4x: yes
[09:40] <m4x> nalioth, how?
[09:40] <nalioths_dog> m4x: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[09:41] <nalioths_dog> m4x: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:41] <delire> Adr3nalin: XFCE is a desktop environment. there are many to choose from. Gnome is what you're using now, KDE is another option among many more.
[09:41] <m4x> thanks :)
[09:41] <nalioth> delire: don't blow Adr3nalin's circuits by telling him about the over 15 desktop manglers there are to choose from
[09:41] <dnakata> one of the difficult things i find about explaining 'linux' to a user is the difference between kde and gnome
[09:42] <delire> nalioth: he asked what XFCE was
[09:42] <dnakata> and their relationship
[09:42] <Seveas> dnakata, so don't let them use KDE and they're all happy :)
[09:42] <dnakata> 'you mean... more than one gui?'  then explaining console vs. X
[09:42] <Kyral> lol
[09:42] <dnakata> right
[09:42] <dnakata> gnome = windows :)
[09:42] <Kyral> I would say
[09:42] <Kyral> X == Windows
[09:43] <Seveas> tritium, why not simulated annealing?
[09:43] <Kyral> WMs == All the frickin cool addons :D
[09:43] <twb_> i would say, nothing i've tried has worked
[09:43] <tritium> Seveas, won't work for what I need.
[09:43] <Seveas> ah
[09:43] <Seveas> what are you constructing?
[09:44] <mjr> dnakata, people usually run X on the console, so there's some explaining to do to you, too :
[09:44] <andreas_> I'm trying to install nautilus-share, but it depends on libdaemon0, which is nowhere to be found. I think it's supposed to be in universe, though.
[09:44] <dnakata> mjr: LERN ME ON RINIX PREAS :ID
[09:44] <dnakata> typo
[09:44] <ubunutnewb> Anyone else having problems with md5sum errors when you dist-upgrade?
[09:44] <dnakata> i meant, i know.
[09:44] <twb_> what does MBR mean?...
[09:44] <nalioth> ubunutnewb: the repos are wonky today
[09:44] <dnakata> master boot record
[09:44] <twb_> master boot...?
[09:45] <twb_> oh ok
[09:45] <delire> tritium: i would suggest coefficient fribulatory retainers, sheared against a 5D Shawn (furrowed) probability Matrix.
[09:45] <tritium> Seveas, me?  I'm running constant false-alarm rate (CFAR) detection simulations on radar data
[09:45] <andreas_> anyone know where to find libdaemin0?
[09:45] <znh> How to make icewm my default window manager? - I don't use gdm
[09:45] <benatkin> how do I tell whether I have an amd or an intel on a box I'm ssh'ed into?
[09:45] <Seveas> benatkin, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[09:45] <znh> Seveas: Do you know?
[09:45] <nalioth> andreas_: do you have all your sources enabled? uni and multi?
[09:45] <andreas_> yes
[09:45] <tritium> delire, heh
[09:45] <delire> znh: edit ~/.xinitrc
[09:45] <andreas_> nalioth: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/libs/libdaemon0 says libdaemon0 is supposed to be in universe, but I can't find it
[09:46] <LokeDK> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xfce4-panel/xfce4-panel_4.2.1.1-1ubuntu1_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[09:46] <LokeDK> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[09:46] <znh> delire: I doesn't exist yet, what to put in it?
[09:46] <LokeDK> what do I do?
[09:46] <benatkin> Seveas: thanks.
[09:46] <nalioth> LokeDK: the repos are wonky today
[09:46] <delire> znh: 'exec icewm' should do it.
[09:46] <Seveas> andreas_, Filename: pool/universe/libd/libdaemon/libdaemon0_0.7-1_i386.deb
[09:46] <nalioth> andreas_: the repos are wonky today
[09:46] <znh> delire: thanks :)
[09:46] <nalioth> LokeDK: wait
[09:47] <delire> znh: np
[09:47] <LokeDK> okay
[09:47] <HumanPrototype> Sevas, none of my original files are in my home directory? it seems to be from an old install but there are no other things to mount
[09:47] <djp> anyone have any idea, why when i use the gimp-print driver with my epson stylus color printer, the colours are very faded?
[09:48] <delire> djp: odd. i would look at colour calibration first. did you print a test page?
[09:48] <J_P> hi all
[09:48] <J_P> one good quiestion...
[09:49] <znh> delire: I'm trying to run a vncserver with icewm, however it still starts gnome (I've done what you said)
[09:49] <J_P> ubuntu is optimal for server/production as is debian stable ?
[09:49] <Burgundavia> J_P, yes
[09:49] <delire> znh: you'll probably need to remove gdm from the init scripts. sorry i don't have a similar setup here to walk you through.
[09:49] <Seveas> J_P, absolutely
[09:49] <itz> Hey does anybody know who i shall ask usb disc questions 2...
[09:49] <andreas_> thanks, guys, found it
[09:49] <Seveas> itz, the mailing list....
[09:50] <znh> how to add menu's in gnome, there's a program for it isn't it?
[09:50] <J_P> Seveas: and Burgundavia, tell me one good advantage for use ubuntu and not debian stable ?
[09:50] <Seveas> znh, smeg
[09:50] <znh> Seveas: ah yes
[09:50] <Burgundavia> J_P, newer packages
[09:50] <Seveas> J_P, working security support :)
[09:50] <J_P> humm
[09:50] <Burgundavia> J_P, while still being stable
[09:51] <J_P> but ubuntu is based in debian right ?
[09:51] <BlueSummer_id> yep
[09:51] <Seveas> newer packages is not neccessarily true, sarge is 2 months newer so a few packages in sarge are more recent
[09:51] <Seveas> J_P, correct
[09:51] <delire> itz: you can always watch /dev/sd* with ls -l to see if there are changes when you plug in the disk. also try 'sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog' to read what happens when you plug it in.
[09:52] <delire> itz: my device files are /dev/ub* out of interest.
[09:52] <J_P> Seveas: ubunt use sources.list from debian or ubuntu create all your packages ?
[09:53] <Seveas> J_P, not if you are already on a recent sarge
[09:53] <Seveas> then you will need to pin hoary to 1001 and sarge to 50
[09:53] <HumanPrototype> why cant i open /dev/hda?
[09:53] <nalioth> J_P: ubuntu packages
[09:53] <Seveas> HumanPrototype, only root can do that
[09:53] <mihai_> is there a official upgrade for firefox 1.04 for ubuntu?
[09:53] <Seveas> J_P, maybe I misubderstood that last question
[09:53] <Seveas> mihai_, yes
[09:54] <Seveas> sort of
[09:54] <J_P> Seveas: nalioth i use debian stable since 2001, and I like much.. but have many old packages..
[09:54] <nalioth> J_P: debian packages may break ubuntu
[09:54] <J_P> and sid is very unstable..
[09:54] <Seveas> FF in ubuntu is 1.0.2 by name abut it has all 1.0.4 security patches
[09:54] <itz> delire, if u did follow my questions all way u find out that it wont show up ANYTHING new in /dev
[09:54] <nalioth> J_P: they are all available here for your use, in some form or other
[09:54] <Seveas> J_P, ubuntu is very stable, if you are still using woody, you can easily updgrade
[09:54] <m4x> what is the mysql package called in synaptic?
[09:54] <mihai_> Seveas, is it avalaible througth package manager?
[09:54] <Seveas> m4x, mysql for what..?
[09:55] <nalioth> mihai_: yes it is
[09:55] <Seveas> mihai_, yes, in the hoary-security archive
[09:55] <Seveas> m4x, the mysql server..?
[09:55] <mihai_> ok
[09:55] <delire> itz: right then i would definitely watch the log when you plug it in to be sure that the kernel even understands the device.
[09:55] <m4x> i want to install mysql on my ubuntu box, i have added the repo listed above
[09:55] <mihai_> thanks
[09:55] <m4x> yes, mysql server
[09:55] <nalioth> mihai_: when you get it, come back for the 'fix' (to fool people)
[09:55] <Seveas> m4x, mysql-server
[09:55] <HumanPrototype> Seveas, I'm already using sudo
[09:55] <SynapticHat> Hello world
[09:55] <itz> delire,  i can primess
[09:55] <m4x> thanks!
[09:55] <djp> delire: yes, that is the page that shows me the washed out colours
[09:55] <delire> itz: sure..
[09:56] <J_P> Seveas: i use sarge..
[09:56] <delire> djp: i would google around. quite an obscure problem..
[09:56] <Hanna_> i think i should replace my younger brother with a very small shell script.
[09:56] <m4x> mysql-server-4.1?
[09:56] <Seveas> HumanPrototype, what are you doing?
[09:56] <LokeDK> about the md5 mismatch. can I force it? and would anything happen if I do that
[09:56] <J_P> Seveas: then ubuntu get packages from sid and do it stable ?
[09:56] <Seveas> m4x, no, just mysql-server
[09:56] <Seveas> J_P, indeed
[09:56] <delire> Hanna_: wise
[09:56] <nalioth> J_P: then a source.list transplant probably would NOT be a good idea
[09:56] <Seveas> m4x: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[09:56] <djp> delire: if i use the recommneded stcolor driver, the colors are fine, however i always lose a small part of my print at the bottom of the page.
[09:57] <m4x> Seveas, yup, got that
[09:57] <delire> djp: odd..
[09:57] <djp> delire: i have tried without success unfortunately for me
[09:57] <Seveas> m4x, and do an apt-get update :)
[09:57] <delire> itz: can you 'locate old_scheme_first' for me?
[09:57] <m4x> yup yup, done did it
[09:57] <SynapticHat> I'm currently on windows, and ubuntu won't display in the resolutions box any resolution higher than 640*480... : /
[09:57] <Hanna_> of course it is. i just cannot believe such a little--- thing can be so annoying.
[09:57] <Seveas> SynapticHat: To find out how you can change your display resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:57] <itz> delire, privmess plzz?
[09:57] <nalioth> SynapticHat: watch ubotu
[09:57] <m4x> i see mysql-server and mysql-server-4.1 in synaptic
[09:57] <nalioth> !resolution
[09:57] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, resolution is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:57] <J_P> nalioth my idea is reinstall, get out debian and put ubuntu
[09:57] <delire> Hanna_: as technology progresses, the annoying things will become smaller and smaller.
[09:57] <twb_> should i save the mbr AND the  partition table to a file?
[09:57] <HumanPrototype> Sevas, I cant boot into ubuntu as it just halts at grub with no menu wanting commands so I'm trying to use the ubuntu live cd to get access and grab my old files off my pc onto either a flash disk or another pc over the network
[09:58] <nalioth> J_P: that would present the least problems
[09:58] <SynapticHat> Thanks all!
[09:58] <Seveas> m4x, the -4.1 is not the most stable,..
[09:58] <nalioth> HumanPrototype: why not use the livecd to repair grub?
[09:58] <m4x> kk
[09:58] <J_P> nalioth least  problems ? why, Have I anyone problem about stability from ubuntu ?
[09:58] <Hanna_> well yes, i suppose 2 lines of code would easily perform whatever that brat is doing at the moment.
[09:58] <Seveas> m4x, use mysql-server if you don't have a very good reason to go for 4.1
[09:59] <J_P> nalioth i have many many servers in debian stable running for years withou tproblem..
[09:59] <HumanPrototype> Sevas, how do i do that?
[09:59] <Seveas> J_P, up/down/sidegrading from sarge to ubuntu is tricky
[09:59] <nalioth> HumanPrototype: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:59] <J_P> my question about ubuntu is, is really stable as debian stable ?
[09:59] <J_P> becouse i not use linux for desktop, i use only for servers..
[09:59] <Seveas> HumanPrototype, sounds like your harddisk is broken
[09:59] <nalioth> J_P: not at all, but it is possible to cleanly upgrade from woody, but not from sarge, sid or etch
[10:00] <Seveas> J_P, ubuntu is as stable as debian
[10:00] <J_P> naliothi go install from clear hd, not upgrade..
[10:00] <J_P> Seveas: ohh ok!! thank you!
[10:00] <Seveas> J_P, imho even more stable sometimes
[10:00] <nalioth> J_P: that is the best way
[10:00] <wolverian> J_P: the ubuntu releases are stable in the respect that they only get bugfixes, just like debian stable. they shouldn't crash, either. :)
[10:00] <munki^> How can I program my buttons on my Logitech MX516 mouse ?
[10:00] <HumanPrototype> Sevas, 2 hard drives in a week! my sisters only went a few days back!!!
[10:01] <Hanna_> while(brother == awake)
[10:01] <Hanna_> cout << "whinewhinewhine" << endl;
[10:01] <Seveas> HumanPrototype, sounds like bad karma in your house
[10:01] <Seveas> HumanPrototype, that happened to me 3 months ago: server, laptop and desktop all broke within 2 weeks
[10:01] <nalioth> i feel like writing a wiki
[10:01] <Hanna_> anyway, i'll go get coffee and stop whining now.
[10:01] <Moppin> Seveas, sounds like my cars :(
[10:01] <itz> Seveas, what mailing list did u refere to?
[10:01] <J_P> Seveas: exist one determinate time for new releases of ubuntu ?
[10:01] <Hanna_> i usually feel like coffee.
[10:02] <HumanPrototype> nalioth thanks but how i cant read the output from fdisk -l /dev/hda - im root but it cant open disk.
[10:02] <Seveas> itz, ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
[10:02] <nalioth> J_P: every 6 months
[10:02] <nalioth> HumanPrototype: install smartmontools
[10:02] <Seveas> J_P, yes, every april and every october there is a release
[10:02] <itz> k thx
[10:02] <J_P> good
[10:02] <Seveas> J_P, and every release is supported for 18 months with security updates
[10:02] <nalioth> HumanPrototype: and then run "smartctl"
[10:02] <J_P> Seveas: and for actualize need only apt-get update; apt-get -f dist-upgrade as in debian ?
[10:02] <J_P> for upgrade
[10:03] <nalioth> J_P: apt is apt
[10:03] <Seveas> J_P, correct
[10:03] <nalioth> J_P: the world over
[10:03] <J_P> ok
[10:03] <chillywilly> apt-get into it
[10:03] <J_P> then ubuntu is onde debian SID stable ?
[10:03] <J_P> auehuaeh
[10:03] <nalioth> J_P: this IS debian in a kinder gentler wrapper
[10:03] <Seveas> J_P, yes, Ubuntu can be considered a stable sid
[10:04] <mrpickles> what is the apt get for w32codecs ? i think im doing somethign wrong
[10:04] <itz> delire, did u die on me?
[10:04] <Seveas> mrpickles, backports hase them, you can also download them manually from mplayerhq.hu
[10:04] <BlueSummer_id> lo all
[10:04] <nalioth> think i'll write a alias pointing to w32codecs
[10:04] <mrpickles> Seveas, what the heck is backports ?
[10:04] <BlueSummer_id> what was the name of the guy i was just speaking to lol
[10:04] <tiglionabbit> !w32codecs
[10:04] <ubotu> I heard w32codecs is a set of codecs needed to play many common audio and video formats, such as WMV. You can install w32codecs from the Backports repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org).
[10:04] <nalioth> !backports
[10:04] <ubotu> well, backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[10:04] <delire> itz: i asked you to find a file for me so i could continue helping..
[10:05] <Seveas> mrpickles, an attempt to mix the stability of Ubuntu with bleeding-edge new packages
[10:05] <nalioth> tiglionabbit is here, no need to !ask !anything !else
[10:05] <twb_> ummm, hate me if you must, but i need help again
[10:05] <HumanPrototype> nalioth, it failed
[10:05] <tiglionabbit> yay, all me ubotu entries are still there and useful
[10:05] <HumanPrototype> no such file or directory apparently
[10:05] <nalioth> HumanPrototype: the download failed? the test failed? what?
[10:06] <itz> delire,  i dont got any file called "old_scheme" or similiar
[10:06] <nalioth> HumanPrototype: use apt-get or synaptic to  install "smartmontools"
[10:06] <J_P> Seveas: thank you.. i am doing download of ubuntu...
[10:07] <mrpickles> Seveas, I'm seriously tired of the lack of support for ANY kind of media in ubuntu.  Is there a distro that is as easy to isntall as ubuntu but has basic things like mp3 support ?
[10:07] <Seveas> mrpickles, it's not Ubuntus fault that media support is lacking
[10:08] <Seveas> Ubuntu backports actually makes it quite easy to add mp3 support...
[10:08] <HumanPrototype> nalioth, sorry, i didnt explain - thats the message smartctl gives when i run "smartctl /dev/hda"
[10:08] <demirg> burda turk var mi?
[10:08] <nalioth> mrpickles: dunno, but you can try mepis
[10:08] <searcher`> isn't mp3 support in universe since hoary?
[10:08] <Seveas> demirg, we speak english in here...
[10:08] <itz> delire, u cant help now then or what?  i dont have any file called that
[10:08] <nalioth> HumanPrototype: as Seveas said, your HD is officially dead
[10:08] <delire> itz: right, i recognise that error. just a moment.
[10:08] <searcher`> mrpickles: www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:08] <Seveas> HumanPrototype, maybe you hae SCSI or SATA disks?
[10:08] <Seveas> searcher`: Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[10:08] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: When I'm initially installing ubuntu (repartitioning and all that), how do I select the most minimal installation/
[10:09] <itz> k
[10:09] <searcher`> Seveas: looking, sorry
[10:09] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: choose the server install
[10:09] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas: When I'm initially installing ubuntu (repartitioning and all that), how do I select the most minimal installation?
[10:09] <HumanPrototype> Seveas, nope, all gd old ide, must be a dead disk then
[10:09] <HumanPrototype> cow turds
[10:09] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Which is the server install?
[10:09] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, boot the install cd with the server boot parameter
[10:09] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas: What is that?
[10:09] <Seveas> that will install only ubuntu-base
[10:10] <mrpickles> Seveas, the problem i had with mepis was for some reason it was not working well with my sound/not mixing it or something and I had absolutely no clue how to fix it.  Mepis is a good distro however:P
[10:10] <HumanPrototype> which is better, kubuntu or ubuntu?
[10:10] <Seveas> which means: kernel, basic tools
[10:10] <tiglionabbit> HaroldJohnson: what he means is, put in the CD, and type "server" at the prompt
[10:10] <Seveas> HumanPrototype, they are the same, just a different set of packages installed by default
[10:10] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit: Thank you
[10:10] <tiglionabbit> HaroldJohnson: if you get the server install, it doesn't matter whether you have ubuntu or kubuntu
[10:10] <jeroen_> HaroldJohnson, depends whether you like kde or gnome
[10:10] <WarriorSlayer> hey guys there's any way that i can make a bootdisk to my ubuntu partition soh i dont have to instalar lilo or grub in mbr?
[10:10] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, you're mixing up 2 people :)
[10:10] <digitalfox> the CD ordering... are they sending LiveCD's or install CD's?
[10:10] <Seveas> digitalfox, both
[10:11] <tiglionabbit> oops
[10:11] <nalioth> HumanPrototype: which is better? ford or chevy? bacardi or captain morgan?
[10:11] <digitalfox> ooh.
[10:11] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit and jeroen: Thank you.
[10:11] <demirg> i cannot upon my firefox at hoary, it prints an error like : title="&mainWindow.title;" Can anyone help me???
[10:11] <HaroldJohnson> I'm off to do this.
[10:11] <nalioth> digitalfox: they send a fancy envelope with BOTH
[10:11] <twb_> so, when duplicating partitions, the source and destnation have to be exactly the same size
[10:11] <Hanna_> chevy, captain morgan.
[10:11] <Seveas> twb_, yes
[10:11] <WarriorSlayer> hey guys there's any way that i can make a bootdisk to my ubuntu partition soh i dont have to instalar lilo or grub in mbr?
[10:11] <Hanna_> although the question was not for me and so on.
[10:11] <HumanPrototype> Seveas, with ubuntu i noticed that kde apps didnt work properly, in kubuntu will gnome and gtk apps be ok?
[10:11] <Seveas> WarriorSlayer, yes
[10:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> stoopid cd rom won't give me back my disk
[10:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[10:11] <Seveas> WarriorSlayer, grub-floppy can do that
[10:12] <WarriorSlayer> Seveas how i make it?
[10:12] <nalioth> HumanPrototype: they work fine
[10:12] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: EJECT it.
[10:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it won't
[10:12] <Seveas> HumanPrototype, sure, they are the same applications...
[10:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it says it's busy but it's not doin nothin
[10:12] <digitalfox> so... if I ordered 8 x86 and 2 PPC, that will be 8 x86-install, 8 x86-live, 2 PPC-install, and 2 PPC-live?
[10:12] <twb_> well, what if my source is 40gb and my destnation is 80 gb, is there a way to make a partition to make iit 4gb?
[10:12] <delire> itz: can you paste the whole error to a pastebin for me?
[10:12] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: not using the button.  Right-click on its icon and select eject, or type eject at the terminal
[10:12] <Seveas> WarriorSlayer, with the grub-floppy command :)
[10:12] <HumanPrototype> nalioth, thanks
[10:12] <HumanPrototype> Seveas, thanks
[10:12] <twb_> 40 gb*
[10:12] <HumanPrototype> bye all
[10:12] <Seveas> digitalfox, correct
[10:12] <nalioth> digitalfox: yes
[10:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[10:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[10:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> eject: unmount of `/dev/hdc' failed
[10:12] <WarriorSlayer> Seveas but i can make this command in the install cd boot?
[10:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's not doin nothin
[10:12] <xophEr> hm, when I try to unrar an archive, my computer gets really slow, but the rar-program still uses only about 20% of my CPU and it's also very slow. Anyone know of a solution?
[10:12] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY, lsof | grep cdrom0
[10:13] <WarriorSlayer> i instaled the ubuntu in /dev/hda2 and don't make any tipe of boot
[10:13] <WarriorSlayer> now i can't boot the partition
[10:13] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: umount -l /media/cdrom0
[10:13] <Seveas> WarriorSlayer, should be possible..
[10:13] <nalioth> WarriorSlayer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[10:13] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Can I install server using BootX/
[10:13] <HaroldJohnson> ?
[10:13] <WarriorSlayer> nalioth thanks :] 
[10:13] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: should be just like the warty
[10:13] <J_P> what is oficial page of ubuntu ?
[10:13] <jacky^> hi all
[10:13] <J_P> ubuntu.org ?
[10:14] <Burgundavia> J_P, ubuntu.com ubuntlinux.org
[10:14] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: all the things you did with warty will need to be done here
[10:14] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I don't understand where I'm supposed to enter "server"
[10:14] <HaroldJohnson> Which prompt?
[10:14] <Burgundavia> J_P, not ubuntu.org
[10:14] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: at the boot, it should say "press f1 for help or <enter> to boot"
[10:14] <tiglionabbit> HaroldJohnson: when you put in the CD and boot from it, at the very beginning, it will say "Hit enter or type linux to continue" or something of the sort
[10:14] <jacky^> can't find mpg321 using apt-cache search, anyone can help me please ?
[10:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm unmounted now but still won't spit it out
[10:14] <lumberjack> whats the proper usage of umask?
[10:14] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: press f1 and look for what to type for a server install
[10:14] <lumberjack> i know what it does how would i go about using it
[10:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> looks for paper clip
[10:15] <nalioth> jacky^: do you have all your repos installed?
[10:15] <rz> hello, has anyone successfully installed cocoon (from apache) in ubuntu?
[10:15] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit and nalioth: Will do, thank you
[10:15] <mrpickles> what program can i use to  burn an ISO in ubuntu ?
[10:15] <jacky^> nalioth I'm not sure
[10:15] <Seveas> mrpickles, gnomebaker
[10:15] <cmatheson> mrpickles: k3b
[10:15] <tiglionabbit> mrpickles: k3b?
[10:15] <mrpickles> aye
[10:16] <tiglionabbit> hehe gnomebaker, that's the funniest software name I've heard in a while
[10:16] <tiglionabbit> I think I'll go bake some gnomes right now
[10:16] <Seveas> :o)
[10:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> gotta love the paper clip trick ^_^
[10:16] <Seveas> bon appetit!
[10:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> cd-roms don't though i suppose
[10:16] <nalioths_dog> jacky^: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[10:16] <nalioths_dog> jacky^: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:16] <Stan_> Ubuntu is taking quite a while to install
[10:17] <tiglionabbit> Stan_: that so?  It was the fastest install of an OS I've ever had
[10:17] <rade> hello, has anyone successfully installed cocoon in ubuntu?
[10:17] <Seveas> Stan_, on a reasonably modern PC not more than 30 minutes
[10:17] <Seveas> rade: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[10:17] <Hanna_> ditto that, tiglionabbit.
[10:17] <tiglionabbit> Stan_: try installing windows XP.  Now that takes some waiting...
[10:17] <Stan_> k its been about 30 mins and this is a old PC
[10:17] <jacky^> nalioth ok, thanks a lot
[10:17] <tiglionabbit> Stan_: Except don't
[10:17] <rade> seveas, sorry i got disconnected
[10:18] <Stan_> lol, I won't
[10:18] <Seveas> Stan_, how old..?
[10:18] <Hanna_> or gentoo. takes some time too.
[10:18] <Seveas> Hanna_, lol :)
[10:18] <delire> itz: use pastebin.com to paste the error output
[10:18] <PDani> hi
[10:18] <PDani> how can i turn on the numlock on X startup? is it possible from xorg.conf? or i should do it with numlockx? is there a script that runs at every X startup?
[10:19] <Stan_> Seveas Im not sure, but pre-XP times
[10:19] <delire> itz: i seem to remember i fixed this issue with something like 'echo Y > /etc/modutils/usbcore/parameters/use_old_scheme_first'
[10:19] <Seveas> PDani, look at numlockX
[10:19] <delire> itz: but i need to see that error to be sure
[10:19] <PDani> Seveas: is there a script that runs at every X startup?
[10:19] <rade> seveas: is this the right channel for my question or should i check somewhere else?
[10:19] <delire> PDani: ~/.xinitrc
[10:19] <Seveas> delire, please document that on the wiki :)
[10:19] <nalioth> rade: what question is that?
[10:19] <PDani> delire: not userspecific, i need a global one
[10:19] <Seveas> PDani, yes, in /etc/gdm/
[10:20] <delire> Seveas: i will if i know it's Ubuntu compatible ;)
[10:20] <rade> nalioth: whether anyone has successfuly installed cocoon in ubuntu
[10:20] <cavediver> How do I install mplayer on hoary ? I have both universe and multiverse, buit i can't find the package
[10:20] <Seveas> rade it is, but apparently no one in here knows/has
[10:20] <nalioth> rade, if nobody answers, nobody (here and now) knows
[10:20] <PDani> Seveas: this is a directory. every scripts in it will run at startup?
[10:20] <jacky^> nalioth that's ok, but wich url I need to get mpg321 work ?
[10:20] <qpid> PDani: http://ubuntuguide.org/#numlockx
[10:20] <nalioth> rade: try again in half an hour or later
[10:20] <Seveas> PDani, no, browse throug it :)
[10:20] <delire> PDani: create a script in /etc/rc2.d/ or at the desired runlevel
[10:20] <nalioth> jacky^: if you are in the US, the repos have been wonky today
[10:20] <PDani> thx
[10:20] <Seveas> PDani, if it is just for your account, use the system->prefs->sessions menu entry
[10:21] <Seveas> delire, bad idea
[10:21] <delire> PDani: Seveas is right, if you use gdm
[10:21] <Seveas> NEVER create scripts in /etc/rc*
[10:21] <jacky^> nalioth, no, I'm in IT
[10:21] <Stan_> yay! its installed!
[10:21] <delire> Seveas: i do often
[10:21] <Seveas> delire, very bad idea
[10:21] <PDani> thx, bye
[10:21] <Seveas> always use init.d
[10:21] <rade> nalioth, seveas, ok, thanks
[10:21] <delire> Seveas: why so? i've been doing that for years
[10:21] <Seveas> and update-rc.d to enable it
[10:21] <Stan_> I'm so happy now :-)
[10:22] <nalioth> jacky^: then if you've enabled all those repos the dog sent, and updated your apt-get, you should see mpg321
[10:22] <Seveas> delire, read the debian standards :)
[10:22] <delire> Seveas: sure or init.d and then update-rc.d defaults 80
[10:22] <delire> Seveas: hehe yeah i know the 'standards'.
[10:22] <ztonzy> hi delire
[10:22] <nalioth> delire: you are a professor if *nix, and know what you are doing
[10:22] <delire> ztonzy: hi there
[10:22] <benplaut> has anyone here successfully compiled a recent version of wireless-tools?
[10:22] <ztonzy> delire: full on for support ;) ?
[10:23] <delire> nalioth: Seveas is right, init.d is cleaner
[10:23] <Hanna_> i wish my mood was as easy to enlighten as Stan_'s. but then again, i've also forgotten my pills today, that might be it, yes.
[10:23] <Stan_> thank you... i guess
[10:23] <nalioth> delire: my machine is full of evil tricks that i will never share in this channel
[10:23] <jacky^> nalioth it's strange, but I can't see mpg321, i used apt-get update
[10:23] <Seveas> Hanna_, who are you talking to...?
[10:23] <delire> ztonzy: no.. too tired to be very useful today.
[10:23] <Hanna_> myself, i guess.
[10:23] <delire> Seveas: hehe i was about to ask the same
[10:23] <nalioth> jacky^: do an "apt-cache search 321"
[10:23] <Seveas> Hanna_, heh :)
[10:24] <ztonzy> delire: ah
[10:24] <Seveas> nalioth, ant then an apt-cache search liftoff!
[10:24] <Hanna_> meaning, i must definitely find my pills.
[10:24] <FancyPantsSCS> hey
[10:24] <ztonzy> delire: soon 2 weeks vacation, take each day as it come
[10:24] <Seveas> hi
[10:24] <FancyPantsSCS> im a noob
[10:24] <delire> nalioth: my issue is i started out before alot of these standards were 'standard' ;)
[10:24] <jacky^> nalioth ok
[10:24] <nalioth> Seveas: not a "apt-cache search 6"?
[10:24] <delire> ztonzy: great!.. i'm off to barcelon tomorrow also
[10:24] <FancyPantsSCS> i just installed ubuntu
[10:24] <Seveas> FancyPantsSCS, we all were once :)
[10:24] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: There is no server option that I can find
[10:24] <FancyPantsSCS> just instakked ubuntu and i need some jelp lol
[10:24] <ztonzy> delire: aaah...no DK then?
[10:24] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: i'm very unfamiliar with the boot sequence
[10:25] <jacky^> nalioth nothing :\ #
[10:25] <delire> ztonzy: yep still working in denmark. just off for my girlfriends festival
[10:25] <Seveas> FancyPantsSCS, well, you've come to the right place :)
[10:25] <HaroldJohnson> naglioth: That's okay
[10:25] <FancyPantsSCS> well i want to get half life/steam running on ubuntu
[10:25] <delire> ztonzy: 1 week
[10:25] <Hanna_> and i just re-realized that a female nick is not a very good idea. and i'm off to find my pills. i shall trouble you no more with my mindless blabber. :)
[10:25] <FancyPantsSCS> and i need help getting cedega running
[10:25] <nalioth> !info mpg321
[10:25] <ubotu> mpg321: (A Free command-line mp3 player, compatible with mpg123), section universe/sound, is optional. Version: 0.2.10.3 (hoary), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 128 kB
[10:25] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit: Are you familiar with booting from a Mac using BootX?
[10:25] <Seveas> FancyPantsSCS, go bug BlueSummer_id, he know how to install cedega and steam :)
[10:25] <ztonzy> delire: I heard spain is really hot now
[10:25] <nalioth> jacky^: are you using hoary?
[10:25] <tiglionabbit> nope
[10:25] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit: Okay.
[10:25] <FancyPantsSCS> ok
[10:25] <FancyPantsSCS> ty
[10:25] <delire> ztonzy: barcelona will be crazy yes
[10:26] <FancyPantsSCS> how do i pm in this thing/?/
[10:26] <HaroldJohnson> Doesn anyone know the approximate size of a base install?
[10:26] <ztonzy> delire: O_o
[10:26] <katzor> FancyPantsSCS, with /msg username message
[10:26] <nalioth> FancyPantsSCS: you tpe /msg <whoever you want to talk to>
[10:26] <katzor> lol
[10:27] <FancyPantsSCS> ok
[10:27] <FancyPantsSCS> ty
[10:27] <Hanna_> HaroldJohnson, about 350 MB?
[10:27] <Hanna_> the minimal install, i mean.
[10:27] <lsuactiafner>  /msg ubotu asl?
[10:27] <lsuactiafner> hehe
[10:27] <Seveas> rofl
[10:27] <HaroldJohnson> Hanna: How do you do a minimal install/
[10:27] <HaroldJohnson> ?
[10:27] <lumberjack> whats the proper usage of umask?
[10:28] <Hanna_> didn't they just explain that to you earlier?
[10:28] <tiglionabbit> HaroldJohnson: I believe Hanna_ means a server install by that.
[10:28] <nalioth> lumberjack: have you seen the man page for umask?
[10:28] <lumberjack> really?
[10:28] <lumberjack> lol sorry
[10:28] <lumberjack> no i tried man umask
[10:28] <lumberjack> and it didnt work
[10:28] <znh> Is there a filebrowser in gnome?
[10:28] <delire> nalioth the man page is fairly slim ;)
[10:28] <nalioth> znh: nautilus
[10:28] <znh> nalioth: thanks
[10:28] <nalioth> lumberjack: have you asked dear old uncle google?
[10:28] <Aragorn_Guardian> ubuntu has support for bluetooth
[10:29] <lumberjack> WHATS GOGLE>?
[10:29] <Stan_> Anyone know where to get driver for USB Linksys Receiver for Ubuntu?
[10:29] <lumberjack> jk
[10:29] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit: I can't seem to access the server installation, as I'm booting from an Old World Mac using BootX; is there a way to avoid installing packages during the installation process?
[10:29] <Aragorn_Guardian> people here is coming exigent...
[10:29] <lumberjack> yeah sorry ill go search google
[10:29] <Aragorn_Guardian> eheheh
[10:29] <nalioth> lumberjack: perhaps you should peruse the manpage for fstab
[10:29] <Seveas> znh, places->computer
[10:29] <lumberjack> nalioth, oh cool thanks didnt think about that
[10:29] <Mez> hmm
[10:30] <Mez> amyone have much experience with swsusp?
[10:30] <husher> Mez: enough experience to have given up on it
[10:30] <BeatYOu> is there a way to ignore crc errors when using synaptic
[10:30] <tiglionabbit> HaroldJohnson: um, how is that different?
[10:30] <Tomcat_> Mez: Yeah... using it pretty much.
[10:30] <Mez> how do i get it to work.
[10:30] <Seveas> Mez, only the experience that ATI and ndiswrapper f*ck it up
[10:30] <Mez> I've no idea :D
[10:30] <jacky^> nalioth nothing to do, can't find mpg321 :(
[10:30] <Seveas> Mez, system -> logout
[10:30] <Seveas> choose hibernate
[10:30] <Mez> yeah
[10:30] <Aragorn_Guardian> ubuntu has support for keyboard and mouse  bluetooth? sorry, was a question..
[10:31] <Tomcat_> Mez: Worked out of the box for me... no idea what you can do when it doesn't. :)
[10:31] <Mez> Seveas, I dont hve hibernate
[10:31] <nalioth> jacky^: pastebin your sources.list, please
[10:31] <Seveas> Mez, upgrade to hoary ;)
[10:31] <jacky^> nalioth ok..
[10:31] <tiglionabbit> Mez: are you using gnome and gdm on hoary?
[10:31] <Mez> KDE :D
[10:31] <Seveas> ah
[10:31] <nalioth> BeatYOu: the repos are wonky today
[10:31] <Seveas> well, there ya go :)
[10:31] <Moppin> Aragorn_Guardian, haven't tried keyboard but I have a BT mouse working.
[10:31] <tiglionabbit> Mez: sorries, it wont work with kde
[10:31] <Seveas> kde kant do it
[10:31] <tiglionabbit> Mez: you can probably call it from commandline though
[10:31] <Aragorn_Guardian> Moppin, thanks...
[10:31] <delire> Mez: i turfed it due to poor resume performance when collaborating with my ATI card
[10:31] <BeatYOu> nalioth: so this is a temporary thing? cause i was receiving alot of borked crc's last night and today
[10:31] <BeatYOu> thats good to know though
[10:32] <Seveas> Mez, call the correct script from /etc/acpi
[10:32] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit: Here's another approach, the one I came in here first asking: which are the large packages I can remove using apt-get (after a standard installation)?
[10:32] <NoHope> hy all
[10:32] <nalioth> BeatYOu: yes, temporary, you can remove the us. from in front of archive.blah , if you wish
[10:32] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, openoffice
[10:32] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit: Hope that didn't sound bad; thanks for all your help
[10:32] <BeatYOu> nalioth: thanks
[10:32] <Mez> defire, I dont use fglrx - as when I switch tty it freezes my comp
[10:32] <husher> ok, anyone know why horay doesn't play wav files out of the box?  or how to fix it?
[10:33] <twb_> would a second patition be hda2?
[10:33] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas: Okay, I'll remove OpenOffice using apt-get.  Any other large packages I can remove?
[10:33] <husher> twb_: yes
[10:33] <twb_> ty
[10:33] <delire> Mez: right..
[10:33] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, the complete gui :)
[10:34] <jacky^> nalioth http://rafb.net/paste/results/t2eg2i38.html
[10:34] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas: I have yet to run the GUI on this system; which packages should I be looking for to remove?
[10:34] <cmatheson> HaroldJohnson: are you talking about X windows?
[10:34] <cmatheson> HaroldJohnson: if you want to get rid of all of it you could probably just remove ubuntu-desktop and all of it's dependancies
[10:35] <HaroldJohnson> cmatheson: I suppose; I'm trying to remove as many packages from my Warty installation so I can upgrade to Hoary via apt-get.  (I don't have enough space on my hard disk to currently do so.)
[10:35] <jacky^> nalioth that's my sources.list
[10:36] <tiglionabbit> HaroldJohnson: I hear Debian makes a stabler server distro than Ubuntu.  Ubuntu is much more suited to a desktop distro with new blingy packages available.  What exactly do you want to do with it?
[10:36] <lumberjack> uggghhhh fuck youuuu
[10:36] <tiglionabbit> ?
[10:36] <nalioth> jacky^: back up that sources.list, and use this one
[10:36] <lumberjack> is this the gay and lesbian chat ?
[10:36] <lumberjack> ......
[10:36] <nalioths_dog> jacky^: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[10:36] <lumberjack> im lookin for some hot lovin
[10:36] <Nebular> is there a forum post or a webpage that shows how to turn on the admin tasks for cups web admin? I don't have X installed
[10:37] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit: I want a desktop distro
[10:37] <tiglionabbit> lumberjack: no, this is about Ubuntu: Linux for Human Beings
[10:37] <NoHope> hey, I'm using Slack. I used Gentoo but I didn't like that. I'd like to ask you two things: About package management and development softwares. What do you can talk me about that?
[10:37] <tiglionabbit> HaroldJohnson: really?  Then why do you want to uninstall the gui exactly?
[10:37] <lumberjack> oh ok
[10:37] <lumberjack> my mistake
[10:37] <jacky^> nalioth thanks :)
[10:37] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit: To clear space so I can perform an apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:37] <BeatYOu> nalioth: thanks, checksum errors gone
[10:37] <Seveas> NoHope, package management is absolutely fabulous
[10:37] <lumberjack> sorry dumb girl talking not me
[10:37] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit: Currently my Warty installation hasn't eaten up all my HD space
[10:37] <tiglionabbit> HaroldJohnson: why don't you just get the upgraded dist in the first place then?
[10:37] <searcher`> does anyone know how to extract .cbr files (if it's an archive anyways). All i can seem to find is either MP3 related settings stuff, bandwidth throttling and C++ builder stuff. Any help would be appreciated
[10:37] <NoHope> Seveas, how does it work?
[10:38] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit: Sorry, *has* eaten up my HD space
[10:38] <Seveas> NoHope, and partly due to that and partly due to great availability, software development is great too
[10:38] <TheOneEye> i need help with my ubuntu...who was i talking to again?
[10:38] <Seveas> NoHope, do you know the debian system?
[10:38] <nalioth> searcher`: .cbr and .cbz are rars and zips used for comic books
[10:38] <NoHope> Seveas, so-so... apt-get?
[10:38] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit: Haven't had any success using the Hoary CD to install; special circumstances as I'm installing to an Old World Mac PowerBook G3
[10:38] <Seveas> NoHope, indeed, but there are other interfaces too
[10:38] <searcher`> nalioth: so any idea on how to read those?
[10:38] <nalioth> searcher`: see jomic.sourceforge.net for a reader
[10:38] <delire> NoHope: dpkg (via apt) arguably offers the best method for installing, maintaining and managing installations of software on computers altogether. it's suited me well for many many years.
[10:38] <TheOneEye> who can help me with my ubuntu?
[10:39] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit: It's going to be easier for me to simply upgrade from my Warty install.
[10:39] <searcher`> nalioth: thank you, i'm looking
[10:39] <NoHope> Seveas, Ah... I know just two... pkgtool, from Slack and portage, from Gentoo.
[10:39] <Seveas> NoHope, apt beats these
[10:39] <Seveas> easily :)
[10:39] <nalioth> searcher`: you can also search using synaptic for "cbr cbz" in 'pkg contents'
[10:39] <TheOneEye> any1?
[10:39] <Moppin> TheOneEye, you can just ask your question in the channel.  Somebody may be able to help you.
[10:39] <tiglionabbit> and and, we've got synaptic, which is friendly too
[10:39] <Seveas> but portage comes close
[10:39] <TheOneEye> well my problem repost is long :P
[10:39] <TheOneEye> report*
[10:40] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit: *And* I don't have a proper CD-ROM drive attached to my PowerBook, either...so apt-get it is!
[10:40] <NoHope> Seveas, ah... but the downloaded packages are binary or source?
[10:40] <delire> NoHope: development software depends on what you are developing. are you talking IDE's or development libraries, headers et al?
[10:40] <nalioth> TheOneEye: be succinct
[10:40] <Seveas> NoHope, binary
[10:40] <nalioth> NoHope: binary by default
[10:40] <delire> NoHope: either, tough binary by default.
[10:40] <Seveas> but source downloads are also easy
[10:40] <delire> s/tough/though
[10:40] <NoHope> Seveas, delire, Better. I had a lot of problems compiling gentoo sources.
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> HaroldJohnson: I don't see why you need to do a new install then.  Why not just clean things off and dist-upgrade?
[10:40] <twb_> ok, cpying partitions is nto only impossible but a load of crap
[10:41] <Seveas> NoHope, you'll love Ununtu :)
[10:41] <Seveas> Ubuntu*
[10:41] <NoHope> People, I'm going. I think today I will download Ubuntu to test.
[10:41] <Seveas> NoHope, try a liveCD if you're not sure :)
[10:41] <tiglionabbit> NoHope:  =}  I hope you love it
[10:41] <NoHope> Seveas, delire, tiglionabbit, thx! Bye!!!!
[10:41] <twb_> i have tried everything
[10:42] <delire> NoHope: i surveyed gentoo and found it pretty unsatisfactory really. in my benchmarks i see little different between native compiles and binaries. even with X there is little improvement. for mission critical applications (like apache) i would compile it anyway, so why use USE_FLAGS and compiling et al as a default paradigm.
[10:42] <BlueSummer_id> anyone know if it's dpkg or dkpg? and is it dpkg -I install or dkpg -I <program>
[10:42] <delire> dpkg
[10:42] <delire> dpkg -i program.deb
[10:42] <BlueSummer_id> ty
[10:42] <BlueSummer_id> :D
[10:42] <twb_> damn it damn it damn it damn it
[10:42] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit: To make a long story short, I've already repartitioned and all that, and the new Warty install is currently going on.
[10:42] <Seveas> BlueSummer_id, dpkg -iinstall filename.deb
[10:43] <Seveas> BlueSummer_id, dpkg --install filename.deb
[10:43] <TheOneEye> here are the errors i get from the x diagnosis when i install my ubutu:  ati: pci mach64 in slot 5:0:0 could not be detected; ati: pci mach64 in slot 5:0:1 will not be enabled becouse it conflicts with another pci device; fatal server error: no screens found
[10:43] <Seveas> twb_, watch your language please...
[10:43] <^thehatsrule^> or just dpkg -i file.deb
[10:43] <twb_> seveas plz help
[10:43] <TheOneEye> i can only be in "text mode"
[10:43] <delire> itz: i'm sorry, you've lost me. i asked you to paste the error to a pastebin so i can continue to help you, but as you haven't yet, we can't proceed. also, no need to pm me right now. we'll get there if you are fast in delivering me the error.
[10:43] <BeatYOu> does anyone know the config option/file to overrule the access denied to many auth failures
[10:43] <BeatYOu> in webmin
[10:44] <Davey> btw, if you haven't yet installed it, Beagle ROCKS
[10:44] <SysFail> what beagle?
[10:44] <BlueSummer_id> Seveas,  ty
[10:44] <Davey> SysFail: you know Spotlight for OSX Tiger?
[10:44] <Davey> SysFail: kinda like that :)
[10:44] <SysFail> nope
[10:44] <SysFail> heh
[10:44] <mez__> grr
[10:44] <delire> Davey: hah great! very keen to know more.
[10:44] <twb_> i've partitioned my new HDD to exactly the same size as my current one, but still i can't find success
[10:44] <Davey> delire: if you have backports, apt-get install beagle :)
[10:45] <delire> Davey: i will, cheers
[10:45] <Davey> delire: right :)
[10:45] <BlueSummer_id> Davey,  what is beagle?
[10:45] <Davey> BlueSummer_id: see what I said to SysFail
[10:45] <action09> hi i've problems with Marillat depository .. what's exactly the right one please to put on Hoary ?
[10:45] <action09> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main
[10:45] <action09> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[10:45] <action09> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[10:45] <delire> BlueSummer_id: or see the demos on the homepage
[10:45] <BlueSummer_id> Davey,  sorry loll, is it a desktop?
[10:45] <action09> oups not the 3 ? :-' sorry
[10:46] <mez__> hmm
[10:46] <tiglionabbit> action09: you should probably use backports instead.  Debian isn't technically compatible
[10:46] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit: Once Warty is fully installed, I know I can get root access.  From there I plan to dist-upgrade to Hoary.  It seems the easiest way at this point.  I just want to get going!  Been working on this for the past week, every day and all day long.  I just want to get on with it and using Ubuntu desktop, you know what I'm saying?
[10:46] <tiglionabbit> !backports
[10:46] <ubotu> [backports]  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[10:46] <BlueSummer_id> Davey,  sorry lol, is it a desktop ?
[10:46] <Nebular> ok I got the cups admin page working, but only on localhost. I'd like to be able to access it over my network (I'm running headless)
[10:46] <action09> ok thx
[10:46] <mez__> who runs ubotu?
[10:46] <tiglionabbit> mez__: we all do
[10:46] <mjr> probably most here, why?
[10:46] <BeatYOu> UBOTU he says
[10:46] <ubotu> BeatYOu: I don't know, could you explain it?
[10:46] <Nebular> I've added Allow From 192.168.1.0/24, but I still can't access it outside of localhost
[10:47] <mjr> 'cause, you know, this is #ubuntu, not #windows
[10:47] <Nebular> any ideas as it what I"m missing?
[10:47] <mez__> ah,,, cause it';s gt a couple of things on it
[10:47] <delire> mez__ ubotu is an Ancient African God.
[10:47] <mez__> no who has control over it?
[10:47] <BeatYOu> read harder
[10:47] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit: I'm exhausted from this installation process (on my Old World PowerBook 233GHz).  I'm ready to use the system to do what I want to do with her, which is write, surf the web, learn more about Linux/Unix, and continue to learn programming.
[10:47] <tiglionabbit> HaroldJohnson: yep.  I'm sorry, I haven't installed linux on old macs before, so I wish you good luck
[10:48] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit: Don't be sorry; I thank you heartily.
[10:48] <delire> HaroldJohnson: diskspace is at a premium so you cannot upgrade?
[10:48] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: i wish i had a mac i could boot up with the disk to walk you through
[10:48] <Mez> grr@ swsusp being a PITA
[10:48] <HaroldJohnson> delire: Yes; I have 2GB and cannot perform a server installation (it appears).
[10:49] <delire> itz: talk to me here and don't pm me. "come up with any?" what? paste the error to a pastebin
[10:49] <nalioth> delire: do you know what button to push for "more options" at the installer boot menu?
[10:49] <delire> nalioth: sorry know, it's been a few months since my last ubuntu install. debian here btw.
[10:49] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Thanks.  I have a number of obstacles, but I have faith, with the help of this helpful support crew here, that I'll get this system up and running the way I want it.
[10:49] <delire> s/know/no
[10:49] <Davey> BlueSummer_id: its a search tool, for your local machine
[10:50] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: in a couple of days, i can walk you through the procedure (i'm fixin to get new mac, and will be installing ubuntu on it)
[10:50] <Stan_> Can anyone help me with connecting to a wireless network on Ubuntu
[10:50] <delire> HaroldJohnson: i think nalioth has the right approach. a clean minimal install from the boot prompt.
[10:50] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I'm using a very old Mac, so I don't know if you'll encounter the same issues.
[10:51] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: have faith, i know much voodoo (just cant remember which button to push at the boot prompt)
[10:51] <Mez> godamn swsusp :D
[10:51] <tritium> nalioth, the hoary liveCD doesn't work on the newer iMac
[10:51] <delire> nalioth: hah you're buying a mac. cool. after reading scathing reviews about the performance of Darwin vs Linux, i am considering a minimac and whacking ubuntu on it.
[10:51] <HaroldJohnson> delire: I just tried doing that, but the boot prompt doesn't seem to be accessible here.  It's ash, right?  I'm able to get into ash, but when I typed "server" at the prompt nothing happened.
[10:51] <nalioth> tritium: i wont be using it, i'm installing right out of the box
[10:52] <nalioth> delire: you'll love it
[10:52] <delire> HaroldJohnson: hmm.. there must be material online about this.
[10:52] <tritium> nalioth, let me know if it works.
[10:52] <mjr> delire, Shuttles are nice enough; I've got a spiffy SN95G5 amd64 box
[10:52] <nalioth> delire: the mini consumes very little power, doesnt get hot, etc etc
[10:52] <HaroldJohnson> delire: There is, but not for a server install on an Old World PowerBook.
[10:52] <nalioth> tritium: oh you all will know the results, heh heh
[10:52] <delire> nalioth: i really do hate the 'culture' of apple, i also simply cannot stand using OSX (i have to at work often). however the silence of the minimacs appeals.
[10:52] <mjr> though with two hard drives it's needing a bit of extra fanning through the gap between the HDs
[10:52] <tritium> nalioth, :)
[10:53] <delire> mjr: oolah now you're talking
[10:53] <nalioth> delire: the PPC is powerful bang for the buck, if your apps are altivec aware
[10:53] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: No worries, I'll get this up and running with yours (and others) help.  I have a feeling this next method is going to work, apt-get upgrade-dist from Warty to Hoary.
[10:53] <delire> nalioth: the same company, Asustek, that makes my laptop makes the Apple iBooks, Minimacs and iPods.
[10:53] <Mez> does anyone have a link for good resource for ACPI on hoary ?
[10:54] <nalioth> delire: yes, but the intel stuff runs up the a/c bills
[10:54] <HaroldJohnson> nalitoth: I'm simply going to clear up my disk of all the packages I can can before doing the upgrade.
[10:54] <delire> nalioth: though i've been reading that the SSE advantage is really overlooked by gcc these days. Altivec is used well albeit.
[10:54] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: you can dump the xserver and all the gui packages
[10:54] <redtech> best way to backup evolution is to tar the .evolution dir?
[10:54] <monteiro> my mouse stops for example when i open limewire :( anyone know what is the problem ?
[10:54] <HaroldJohnson> delire: When are you going to start placing those Intel chips in the Apple Powerbooks?
[10:54] <FancyPantsSCS> tell me this!!! WHY does cedega cost money when all linux shit is supposed to be free!!
[10:55] <nalioth> delire: i like PPC cuz they run cool and use little power
[10:55] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I'm writing that down, xserver and gui packages.  Which are the GUI packages, besides xserver-xfree86?
[10:55] <nalioth> FancyPantsSCS: because it does (you can use cedega-cvs for free)
[10:55] <mjr> FancyPantsSCS, all linux shit isn't supposed to be free
[10:55] <delire> HaroldJohnson: hehe i don't know, i think the iBooks and PB are pretty shitty anyway. i would never consider one.
[10:55] <pipatron> FancyPantsSCS: What the hell are you talking about
[10:55] <mjr> FancyPantsSCS, so you have an error in your premises, thanks for playing
[10:55] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: gtk stuff
[10:55] <HaroldJohnson> Okay, GTK stuff...
[10:55] <nalioth> delire: i like my 2 shitty iBooks
[10:56] <nalioth> delire: they smell wonderful lol
[10:56] <mjr> FancyPantsSCS, of course, nobody forces you to use non-free stuff like Cedega on Linux
[10:56] <pipatron> FancyPantsSCS: cedega costs money because it WORKS, which makes it stand out from all other shitty apps out there
[10:56] <Nebular> arrgh
[10:56] <delire> nalioth: hehe, they are a little 'bendy' though no?
[10:56] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I wanted an iBook for so long; finally found this old PowerBook at...well, nalioth knows where!
[10:56] <pipatron> "sorry, you need to read 2439875 kernel sources and recompile GNOME for this app to work"
[10:56] <Nebular> ok does anyone here know about cups and it's webadmin?
[10:56] <delire> nalioth: i tried one out and found it a little lacking. the keyboard looks great though.
[10:56] <nalioth> delire: actually, i drive a taxicab, and my <3.5 year old iBook has weathered that environment quite well
[10:57] <WarriorSlayer> hey guys how i make a grub floppy?
[10:57] <tritium> nalioth, nalioth 66 Watts for the 2GHz G5 is not low power ;)
[10:57] <nalioth> WarriorSlayer: from a terminal with the command "grub-floppy"
[10:57] <WarriorSlayer> nalioth with the tuto u gave me i can't
[10:57] <mjr> FancyPantsSCS, besides, complaining about cedega's non-freeness is a bit disingenious since you're undoubtedly wanting to run some more non-free stuff on top of it :
[10:57] <nalioth> tritium: compared to a 2ghz intel?
[10:57] <WarriorSlayer> it says that can't found a grub lib
[10:57] <nalioth> WarriorSlayer: wing it
[10:57] <HaroldJohnson> delire and nalioth: I love the look (form factor) of the newer iBook and Powerbook G4 lines, but I wonder about the ergonomics.  The PowerBook G3 series had good ergo.
[10:58] <WarriorSlayer> well i think i gonna install in the mbr
[10:58] <nalioth> WarriorSlayer: same parameters from the walkthrough should work on the floppy
[10:58] <delire> nalioth: ahah.. good to know. that plastic is kind of rugged.
[10:58] <WarriorSlayer> nalioth u mean grub-install /dev/fd0?
[10:58] <Josip> Can anyone point me to a good news (usenet) agent for Linux ?
[10:58] <FancyPantsSCS> ok
[10:58] <FancyPantsSCS> im sorry
[10:58] <nalioth> delire: yes, its lexan (stuff in bulletproof glass)
[10:58] <FancyPantsSCS> im a dumbass
[10:58] <delire> HaroldJohnson: nalioth: the next generation iBooks and PB's will continue to be made by this company Asustek, and will probably looks similar to this (i predict): http://store.agearnotebooks.com/asusw5aphotos.html
[10:58] <nalioth> Josip: pan
[10:58] <FancyPantsSCS> plz forgive me im an uber noob
[10:58] <tritium> nalioth, I don't know the power consumption of a 2 GHz intel processor, but if Apple chose intel for lower Watts/GHz, then I presume it's less...
[10:59] <WarriorSlayer> nalioth what is the default location of the floppy device?
[10:59] <WarriorSlayer> i can do grub-install floppydevlocation?
[10:59] <Josip> nalioth, thanks
[10:59] <nalioth> tritium: they chose intel because their 64-big G5s sucked power, not hte G4s we're discussing (in the mini, and 'books)
[10:59] <nalioth> WarriorSlayer: /dev/fd0 should be
[11:00] <WarriorSlayer> nalioth and it'll work with grub-install or only works making with grub-floppy?
[11:00] <stephank> I have a problem. I have four partitions, in order: win, /boot, /, and swap. I want to downsize the root partition and increase the size of the windows partition. I tried to use parted, managed to disable extended attributes, but parted still complains about a strange layout. I managed to downsize the root partition but now I need to move it. Any other way to do it?
[11:00] <HaroldJohnson> delire: Those are a bit thinner than the older Powerbooks, aren't they?
[11:00] <nalioth> WarriorSlayer: i run an ibook and am unfamiliar with the fine points of grub
[11:00] <WarriorSlayer> humm
[11:00] <WarriorSlayer> k
[11:00] <monteiro> anyone knows any tips for ubuntu to be faster ?
[11:00] <HaroldJohnson> delire: Oops, i mean the current Powerbooks.
[11:00] <WarriorSlayer> nalioth if i install in mbr there's a way to unninstall grub in the mbr?
[11:00] <twb_> ok, forget about copying a partition, is there a way to copy an entire HDD through terminal
[11:00] <twb_> ?
[11:01] <nalioth> WarriorSlayer: yes there is
[11:01] <WarriorSlayer> nalioth thanks :] 
[11:01] <delire> nalioth: my m6n is carbon fibre: http://store.agearnotebooks.com/asusm6nphotos.html
[11:01] <delire> HaroldJohnson: yes..
[11:01] <tiglionabbit> monteiro: get the proper kernel image, and make sure your video acceleration is working.  Then go look in ubuntuforums.org
[11:01] <mjr> twb_, dd if=source of=destination
[11:01] <nalioth> delire: yes, i've seen them
[11:01] <mjr> twb_, that copies the partition table and all, so it's most useful on identical disks
[11:01] <delire> nalioth: the Pentium M is a great chip btw. my gf's little Asus has 5 hours battery life, 4.2 with a DVD. it's so quiet.
[11:01] <twb_> well, the sizes wont be the same
[11:01] <HaroldJohnson> delire: Thinner would make sense for Apple, and a change in color scheme to match the iPod lineup.
[11:02] <twb_> wait, they can be
[11:02] <nalioth> delire: yup, and thats what i see apple using. dual-core pentium-Ms
[11:02] <HaroldJohnson> delire: Change in color, as in something neutral, yet matching iPods.
[11:02] <nalioth> delire: in the portables, anyway
[11:02] <delire> HaroldJohnson: i agree.. i'm not sure about the company really and where it's going albeit.
[11:02] <mjr> twb_, assuming, of course, that you use whole disk devices for source and destination
[11:02] <delire> nalioth: precis.
[11:02] <delire> nalioth: and not a bad move at all.
[11:02] <twb_> they only have to be identical in size right
[11:03] <HaroldJohnson> delire and nalioth: I think Apple is also looking to lower their prices a bit, *perhaps*.  Reach more of the Mac mini market.
[11:03] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: they don't have to
[11:03] <mjr> twb_, well, they don't strictly have to be identical in size either, but then you might want to edit the partitions later...
[11:03] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: a BRAND new ibook can be had for $999
[11:03] <HaroldJohnson> delire and nalioth: No, but they *could* lower their prices, probably, once the Intel Mac hit the market.
[11:04] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: and refurbished (with full factory warranty) ibooks can be had for $799
[11:04] <Groverman> does anyone know the status of DRI support for epia main boards (M10k for example)?
[11:04] <twb_> so, there deffinitly is a way to make an exact copy of this HDD onto a brand new HDD?
[11:04] <mjr> twb_, yes
[11:04] <twb_> perfect
[11:04] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I just bought a PowerBook for $60 (as you know) - oh yeah, and a sh*tload of hassle!
[11:04] <delire> nalioth: hehe no, though i am tempted to take up the pipe. it is a lovely smell.
[11:04] <Stan__> Still need help on connecting my ubuntu system to wireless internet.
[11:04] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: no hassle at all...CHALLENGE
[11:05] <twb_> sudo dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb ?
[11:05] <mjr> twb_, though I might opt for making new partitions there and copying the stuff over as files (cp -a will do that), you'll get a free defragment for the same price ;)
[11:05] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Right, right, *challenge*, sure, sure.
[11:05] <mjr> twb_, yah, for example
[11:05] <pipatron> HaroldJohnson: That's a damn good price :)
[11:05] <twb_> well, im not too familiar with how to use cp
[11:05] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: makes you a better person, AND think of what you'll be able to pass on in here
[11:05] <HaroldJohnson> pipatron: Yes; shop Goodwill.  Literally: shopgoodwill.com.  I didn't get it online, though.
[11:05] <monteiro> tiglionabbit : I'VE it all good ;) 686 kernel for my pentium 4 and video accelration from nvidia-glx :)
[11:06] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Yes, when I get her runnin' properly.
[11:06] <nalioth> y'all be good
[11:06] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I have faith.
[11:06] <nalioth> gotta go to work
[11:06] <delire> me too
[11:06] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Take it easy
[11:06] <Groverman> has anyone had any success with DRI in Xorg for via epia boards?
[11:06] <twb_> q!
[11:06] <HaroldJohnson> delire: Take it easy
[11:07] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit: Take it easy
[11:07] <delire> you too. luck with it all.
[11:07] <HaroldJohnson> Everyone: (well, you know - take it easy)
[11:07] <mjr> twb_, by the way, linux probably won't see the partitions on the raw copy until you eg. reboot or go to fdisk and rewrite the partition table (thus telling also the kernel that the partition table should be reread)
[11:07] <HaroldJohnson> Everyone: And don't drink and install!
[11:07] <delire> ok out
[11:07] <FancyPantsSCS> anyone know of any good tuts about the file system of ubuntu
[11:07] <action09> in French ubuntu guide there are Marillat depository and sources are different in other languages :(
[11:07] <action09> damn
[11:07] <Chipmunk> What can I use to play DivX encoded AVIs? Totem Player refuses to play them.
[11:07] <Groverman> HaroldJohnson, it is quicker that way :-)
[11:08] <HaroldJohnson> Groverman: LOL.  Okay, I'm out
[11:08] <twb_> theres a problem, this HDD is larger than my destination
[11:08] <nalioth_wrkn> HaroldJohnson: when you're drunk, thats when things happen!
[11:08] <twb_> b 2 gigs
[11:08] <FancyPantsSCS> can somone give ma link to a good ubuntu tut?
[11:08] <tiglionabbit> Chipmunk: VLC plays them by default.  You can get also read restricted formats for info on that
[11:08] <twb_> bby
[11:08] <twb_> by*
[11:08] <tiglionabbit> !restricted
[11:08] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:09] <FancyPantsSCS> hey im really confuysed with this filysystem can somone help?
[11:09] <Chipmunk> tiglionabbit: Great I used VLC on Windows. How do I install it? The Web site doesn't have a Ubuntu install.
[11:09] <Groverman> FancyPantsSCS, what are you thinking of?
[11:09] <lsuactiafner> FancyPantsSCS : what dont you understand?
[11:09] <tiglionabbit> Chipmunk: you should be able to get it using synaptic
[11:09] <FancyPantsSCS> lol everyhitn
[11:09] <FancyPantsSCS> g
[11:09] <Moppin> Chipmunk, apt-get intstall vlc
[11:09] <FancyPantsSCS> i just installed ubuntu a fewm inutes
[11:09] <mjr> twb_, well, then I'd recommend just partitioning it (with fdisk, cfdisk, gparted, parted, something), mke2fs -j'ing the relevant partition(s) and copying stuff over (for example, mount the new disk on /mnt, and for copying the root filesystem on it, cp -ax / /mnt
[11:09] <Groverman> FancyPantsSCS, the filestructure itself or...?
[11:09] <FancyPantsSCS> and i need to learn how to use
[11:09] <FancyPantsSCS> it
[11:10] <Groverman> oh
[11:10] <FancyPantsSCS> yeah the filestructure and everything
[11:10] <Groverman> should have a guide somewhere. hang on
[11:10] <FancyPantsSCS> i just need like agood tut for noobs
[11:10] <lsuactiafner> FancyPantsSCS : whats there to understand? /home is where your data is /etc is configurations and anything else you dont need to know about.
[11:10] <Nebular> I am unable to load the cups web page on a remote machine on my lan. I have added Allow From 192.168.1.* to my cupsd.conf and restarted cups, but I still cannot load it from my remote machine
[11:10] <FancyPantsSCS> like
[11:10] <Nebular> anyone have and idea as to why, I"m running breezy
[11:10] <FancyPantsSCS> i dont know the tree of the files
[11:10] <Groverman> lsuactiafner, i saw such a good beginnersguide when i started with linux... i wonder where i saw it
[11:10] <FancyPantsSCS> like
[11:10] <twb_> cp -ax/mnt will put windows on it?
[11:11] <Chipmunk> Moppin: Couldn't find package vlc
[11:11] <tiglionabbit> Chipmunk: you may need to add repositories
[11:12] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[11:12] <ubotu> I heard repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:12] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[11:12] <ubotu> sources is probably http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:12] <twb_> i tried partitioning it then writing it bt everytime it said 'not enough space' or some garbage, and i put the 2 sizes EXACTLY the same
[11:12] <bimberi> Groverman: http://tuxfiles.org ?
[11:12] <Groverman> FancyPantsSCS, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/
[11:12] <FancyPantsSCS> ty very much
[11:12] <Groverman> FancyPantsSCS, it is basic
[11:13] <Groverman> bimberi, that is good as well, yes
[11:13] <Chipmunk> tiglionabbit: Okay, I'll try that. Thanks.
[11:13] <Groverman> FancyPantsSCS, the rest you will learn by using it. at least you have an overview
[11:14] <itz> http://pastebin.com/309131    plzz help
[11:14] <Groverman> FancyPantsSCS, it is generally for Linux. not all directories exist in Ubuntu
[11:15] <aurax> hello,
[11:15] <fonsken> yo
[11:15] <aurax> can anyone tell me why on default there are iptables rules and how can i change them
[11:15] <Groverman> FancyPantsSCS, and as bimberi suggested: http://tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/linuxdir.html gives you a very compact explanation
[11:15] <aurax> i have to clear them if i want to do some stuff on each login
[11:16] <n6mod> Anyone know what's up with the repository? lots of md5sum errors.
[11:16] <aurax> replace the us.archive to something else
[11:16] <aurax> i changed it to il.archive works perfect
[11:16] <Groverman> aurax, to make it simple, you can install firestarter and make the rules in that program instead?
[11:16] <n6mod> Ahh, thanks.
[11:16] <aurax> done it
[11:16] <aurax> no worky
[11:17] <Groverman> aurax, what did not work?
[11:17] <aurax> its not maintaine the existed rules
[11:17] <abbot45> do any of you guys use Greasemonkey in Firefox?  im having a problem.
[11:17] <apollo2011> I can't Smeg to run.  I have run it but when I click on it in the menu, a taskbar entry comes up as "Starting Smeg Menu Editor" and then goes away
[11:17] <aurax> sec i tell you what
[11:17] <aurax> failed to start the firewall
[11:17] <tiglionabbit> apollo2011: when something wont start, it's best to try running it from the terminal and see what output it gives
[11:17] <bimberi> apollo2011: Try running it from a terminal to see if there are any messages
[11:17] <aurax> an unknown error occured
[11:17] <aurax> :P
[11:18] <Groverman> aurax, "unknown"
[11:18] <tiglionabbit> aurax: I don't know
[11:18] <apollo2011> tiglionabbit, bimberi: will do
[11:18] <tiglionabbit> sorry
[11:18] <Groverman> aurax, wierd
[11:18] <aurax> totaly
[11:18] <itz> http://pastebin.com/309131  usb lacie disc problem
[11:18] <aurax> ill remove firestarter
[11:18] <aurax> its gay anyone
[11:18] <hajiki> Firefox always crashes on me on the same website ( I have 0 plugins installed ) How can I start capturing core dumps or something to submit usefully information for a bug report?
[11:18] <aurax> good ips tho
[11:18] <Groverman> aurax, you run firestarter as root?
[11:19] <aurax> yea
[11:19] <tiglionabbit> aurax: that is generally known as a "bad idea"
[11:20] <aurax> hmm
[11:20] <Groverman> aurax, try to remove it and re-install then. maybe some permissions are wrong
[11:20] <tiglionabbit> o whoops I thought you said firefox
[11:20] <aurax> tihnk i should do su aurax, apt-get install firestarter and it will load in the desktop ok ?
[11:20] <tiglionabbit> thought you said you ran firefox as root
[11:20] <itz> aurax, when i installed firefox i had to disable netcards eth0 and 1 and enable them and try different orders etc and suddenly it worked and firestarter worked like charm
[11:20] <twb_> dd is not working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:20] <apollo2011> tiglionabbit, bimberi: How do edit the menu manually? Smeg is unhappy because the last entry I added with it I put in an apostrophe (') So I can't start it until I fix that
[11:21] <Jedi> can someone send me mplayer config ./mplayer/gui.conf please?
[11:21] <aurax> how's guidedog
[11:21] <Groverman> aurax, yes. but try apt-get remove firestarter first
[11:21] <aurax> (doh) :p
[11:21] <Groverman> never tried
[11:21] <flogiston> Hi all.
[11:21] <aurax> anyone tried to install kolab on ubuntu ?
[11:21] <itz> well dont listen to me i just hade the same fault :P
[11:21] <bimberi> apollo2011: Have a look in /usr/share/applications for the file that has the bad entry
[11:21] <flogiston> Anyone who has time to help me with xorg.
[11:22] <flogiston> I use a ATI card.
[11:22] <apollo2011> bimberi: thx
[11:22] <bimberi> apollo2011: yw :)
[11:22] <Groverman> itz, aurax good idea. if you have several eth devices try to disable the ones you are not using. maybe firestarter tries to configure the wrong one
[11:23] <kzx> Not used to Gnome - is it really one common background on all workspaces???
[11:23] <Groverman> kzx, yes
[11:23] <kzx> Holy com :-|
[11:23] <apollo2011> bimberi: no its not in there.  It looks like none of the ones I added with Smeg are in that folder
[11:23] <JDahl> flogiston, you need to be specific to get help
[11:23] <kzx> cow...
[11:23] <flogiston> I get to low results in glxgears
[11:24] <Jedi> any one, help me, send me ./mplayer/gui.conf
[11:24] <Jedi> please!
[11:24] <aurax> is there a place i can see all the default iptables rules ?
[11:24] <Groverman> Jedi, i'm not using mplayer
[11:24] <itz> last chance helping me with usb then del ubuntu http://pastebin.com/309131
[11:24] <flogiston> Im using a 9600se. And I think that my xorg hasent been properly writen.
[11:25] <flogiston> JDahl where are you from?
[11:25] <Groverman> itz, what is wrong with the usb?
[11:25] <JDahl> flogiston, what does glxinfo tell you? I am no export but I think you should be looking whether DRI is setup
[11:25] <kzx> Backgrounds are how I tell the difference between my 8 desktops in KDE - I'll see if I can add some points to a feature req somewhere
[11:25] <bimberi> apollo2011: Hmm.  You could search for it using find ...
[11:25] <twb_> everytime i try dd it  says : No Space Left On DEvice...why?
[11:25] <JDahl> flogiston, living in CA - USA, but from Denmark
[11:25] <apollo2011> bimberi: tried that :-s
[11:26] <Groverman> itz, is it a camera, mp3 what?
[11:26] <flogiston> JDahl, Jag r svensk. gr det bra med privat chatt?
[11:26] <bimberi> apollo2011: k. I'm starting to struggle now.  I thought smeg managed entries in that dir
[11:27] <twb_> someone please help me with dd copyingg partitions
[11:27] <apollo2011> bimberi: ok.  I don't even know why Smeg would allow you to create an invalid entry that then would cause it to not start
[11:27] <itz> Groverman,  usb disc.. lacie
[11:27] <JDahl> flogiston, I cant help you more than I already did - I dont have hardware accelaration
[11:27] <tsw> Im having slow dns queries, what was the way to disable ipv6? (I seem to remember it was somekind of a solution)
[11:27] <flogiston> Okej
[11:27] <itz> Groverman,  lacie usb 1.1 250gb ntfs
[11:27] <flogiston> Cant find any DRI
[11:27] <ateves> is it possible to shorten folder names on the GNOME desktop? like Foobar..., so that the whole name is displayed after focussing?
[11:27] <bimberi> apollo2011: Ooh - have a look in ~/.local/share/applications/
[11:27] <itz> Groverman,  i got mp3 player on flash and that works perfect in ubuntu... jos
[11:28] <Groverman> itz, maybe it is the ntfs that is the problem then. have you set up a rule in fstab for it?
[11:28] <apollo2011> bimberi: yay! its in there. let's see if when I delete it, it gets fixed....
[11:28] <delltony> hi can someone please point me to a working solution to making xvids from dvds? I have tried to installed dvd::rip but transcode will not compile due to numerous dependency issues. i have ran dwn the list of trying to install the dependencies one by one but i can't seem to get passed libavcsscodec or something that nature. any help would be great for id lie to make xvids
[11:28] <bimberi> apollo2011: You're right - it's a bug I'd say - smeg is fairly new
[11:29] <itz> Groverman,  nope its not the fault sinec it wont show even in /dev
[11:29] <apollo2011> bimberi: it must be saved in an smeg file somewhere because not it complains about it being in a file...
[11:29] <itz> Groverman, even though its problem with ntfs it should say 250gb media something u know
[11:29] <apollo2011> bimberi:   File "<string>", line 6
[11:29] <apollo2011>     elif menuentry.DesktopFileID == 'America's Army-1.desktop':
[11:29] <apollo2011>                                              ^
[11:29] <apollo2011> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
[11:29] <twb_> dd is crap
[11:29] <delltony> hi can someone please point me to a working solution to making xvids from dvds? I have tried to installed dvd::rip but transcode will not compile due to numerous dependency issues. i have ran dwn the list of trying to install the dependencies one by one but i can't seem to get passed libavcsscodec or something that nature. any help would be great for id lie to make xvids
[11:30] <apollo2011> bimberi: that didn't print well.  the caret goes under the s in America's.  So presumably, its the apostrophe messing it up
[11:31] <daaku> any ppc users here? i cant get the live cd to boot, even after holding down the C key. i used disk utility to burn the live cd.
[11:32] <jasoncohen> anyone know of a way to download a changelog through apt-get. i know synaptic does it.
[11:32] <ateves> is it possible to shorten folder names on the GNOME desktop? like Foobar..., so that the whole name is displayed after focussing?
[11:33] <bimberi> apollo2011: You could try searching for the file with "grep -r America *" in ~/.local
[11:34] <bimberi> apollo2011: failing that - in the whole filesystem
[11:34] <apollo2011> bimberi: will do
[11:35] <Morbo> tsw - is this that you're thinking of? http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#loadwebsitefasterfirefox
[11:36] <pluffsy> but as far as I know that is something you shouldn't do since you help overload webservers and act like a jackass to other internet users
[11:36] <pluffsy> as far as I know...
[11:37] <apollo2011> Anyone using Anjuta?
[11:38] <apollo2011> Can someone plz tell me the linker and compiler paths for the includes etc.
[11:38] <tsw> Morbo: actually it was a foulty dns server that my dhcp server gave me :)
[11:38] <tsw> Morbo: but thanks
[11:39] <twb_> why does it keep saying theres no space left on it theres pleny of space i just set up the partitions!!
[11:40] <gnat_x> when i boot my install of ubuntu, i get an error about the ubuntu.png file being bad or corrupted. if i restart X a few times it works, but if i don't the login field doesn't respnd.
[11:40] <gnat_x> i was thinking replacing it might help, so was wondering if anyone could give me a tar ball of /usr/share/gdm/themes/Human/
[11:41] <gnat_x> i didn't see it when i looked in aptitude.
[11:41] <Miks> does anybody know how can i put  page "horizontal" in a open office word document? i cant find that option anywhere
[11:41] <apollo2011> Can someone plz tell me the linker and compiler paths for the includes etc.
[11:42] <inemo> Miks: File -> Print Setup
[11:42] <inemo> uh
[11:42] <inemo> s/print/page
[11:43] <inemo> then change the orientation
[11:43] <gnat_x> ww
[11:46] <apollo2011> Why isn't there a way to completely uninstall an app and delete all the files and configurations for it????!!!!!
[11:46] <cmatheson> there is
[11:46] <Stan__> Why isn't there a way to connect to the internet using Linksys?
[11:46] <asdx> How can I add support for vfat on the kernel?
[11:47] <JDahl> apollo2011, do a "purge" with dpkg
[11:47] <cmatheson> asdx: it already has it
[11:47] <cmatheson> asdx: you may need to run 'modprobe vfat'
[11:47] <asdx> ok
[11:47] <asdx> How can I add modprobe vfat every time that Ubuntu boots?
[11:47] <cmatheson> asdx: add it to /etc/modules
[11:48] <asdx> just modprobe vfat?
[11:48] <WarriorSlayer> hey guys
[11:48] <cmatheson> asdx: no, if you want to add it to that file, just 'vfat' will do
[11:48] <asdx> ok
[11:48] <asdx> thx
[11:48] <nnacht> Hi, everybody
[11:48] <WarriorSlayer> my ubuntu is 4.10 warty and it don't start X saying that could not find some modules and device not found
[11:48] <WarriorSlayer> i need to do a xf86config?
[11:49] <nnacht> i was trying to compile a qt-programm for source. but the configure says that  Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (library qt-mt) not found. what should I install?
[11:49] <twb_> i need help
[11:49] <twb_> seriouslt
[11:49] <twb_> seriously
[11:49] <x_or> I am trying to remove a user from the admin group, but usermod -G "other,groups" username doesn't seem to take, even when I log out and back in.
[11:50] <twb_> someone, anyone, help me
[11:50] <twb_> please
[11:50] <Burgundavia> twb_, what is your question?
[11:50] <nnacht> does anyone know how to do it?
[11:51] <twb_> i have tried for 5 hrs now to copy a partition onto a new HDD, but it will not work
[11:51] <cmatheson> nnacht: you'll need the -dev library
[11:51] <twb_> what can be done here
[11:51] <nnacht> cmatheson: apt-get install ????
[11:51] <cmatheson> nnacht: sure (use aptitude not apt-get though)
[11:51] <W0nk0> Eyoh Ubuntu'ians
[11:51] <nnacht> let me try
[11:52] <pipatron> twb_: You can start by trying to understand what are trying to do
[11:52] <jaross> hey
[11:52] <jaross> I need help
[11:52] <cmatheson> jaross: just ask the question
[11:52] <pipatron> jaross: Yes
[11:53] <jaross> my wep key keeps expireing on my linux mechine
[11:53] <jaross> only on my linux computer
[11:53] <jaross> I type in the same one and the internet starts working again
[11:53] <pipatron> jaross: Also your 'a' key has expired
[11:53] <nnacht> has aptitude the same syntax like apt-get, or it has only the dialog?
[11:53] <twb_> i know exactly what i am trying to do, i am using dd but it keeps saying :Not enough space, when i know damn well theres enough
[11:53] <apollo2011> Can someone plz tell me the linker and compiler paths for the includes etc.
[11:53] <EvilEye-Spinning> lol
[11:54] <cmatheson> twb_: probably not, how big is the partition you're trying to copy?
[11:54] <pipatron> twb_: YOu are using dd to copy files from a partition to another=
[11:54] <pipatron> ?
[11:54] <twb_> 40GB
[11:54] <twb_> yes i am
[11:54] <cmatheson> twb_: and how big is the partition you're trying to copy it to?
[11:54] <W0nk0> *ominous silence*
[11:55] <asdx> I can mount a floppy as root, but how can I mount as user???
[11:55] <twb_> 80 GB HDD, i made an exact partition of the source 41940.71 mb
[11:55] <asdx> and umount as well
[11:55] <cmatheson> asdx: add yourself to the floppy group i think
[11:55] <asdx> how
[11:55] <twb_> and its saying theres not enough space
[11:55] <signbarn> How do i set an environment variable such as JAVA_HOME ?
[11:55] <twb_> thats impossible
[11:55] <cmatheson> asdx: read the adduser manpage, or edit the /etc/group file (`adduser blah floppy`)
[11:56] <twb_> they're exactly the same size
[11:56] <cyphase> hey everyone
[11:56] <W0nk0> Whoops, pwned
[11:56] <kbrooks> how different is breezy from hoary atm (minus X problems)?
[11:57] <W0nk0> I have to ask, if I hook up to this channel with an old ass version of Ubuntu, will I be disconnected witha 104 error?
[11:57] <^thehatsrule^> newer...
[11:57] <cmatheson> W0nk0: no
[11:57] <twb_> cmatheson: any ideaS?
[11:58] <signbarn> Does anyone know how to set an environment variable in Ubuntu -- such as JAVA_HOME ?
[11:58] <cmatheson> twb_: i don't know, what is the command you are running exactly?
[11:58] <din> signbarn, export JAVA_HOME="varhere"
[11:58] <signbarn> thanks :-)
[11:59] <din> np
[11:59] <nybble> hey, i'm having trouble getting apache to process php files
[11:59] <nybble> anyone?
[11:59] <twb_> sudo dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb2
[11:59] <mti> anny germans?
[11:59] <asdx> I can't mount the floppy with the GNOME GUI utility... because it says that it can't specify the vfat filesystem, but I can mount using the mount utility... WTF
[11:59] <W0nk0> cmatheson - what earns the 104 error, then?
[11:59] <Stan__> My ethernet cable does not plug in to my old Win98 PC (now running ubuntu)... does anyone know how I can connect to the internet on this old PC?
[11:59] <BjoernVDM> Yes, mti.
[11:59] <cmatheson> twb_: and are they about the same size, or are they exactly the same size (the byte-count has to be exactly the same)
[11:59] <din> Stan__, get an ethernet card?
[11:59] <W0nk0> Perhaps the addition of an Ethernet card would assist, Stan__
[12:00] <asdx> What whould I do???
[12:00] <cmatheson> W0nk0: bad network settings