[08:13] <froud> in breezy network installation is supported.
[08:13] <froud> in sources.list does anyone know how this line will look
[08:13] <froud> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[09:24] <hunger> Computer is unusable again:-(
[09:24] <hunger> kded eats up all cpu-cycles and when I kill it my wallets are gone and my keybindings, too.
[11:14] <Mez> Riddell ping agin - just worked out that konv 0.18 needs a rebuild to make ti depend on libxi-dev
[11:15] <Riddell> ok I'll do that, thanks
[11:16] <Mez> (I built konv 0.18)
[11:17] <Mez> (sorry build-Depends
[11:17] <Mez> ;)
[11:17] <Mez> but I can do that once I've finished re-backporting if you want
[11:17] <Riddell> do what?
[11:17] <Mez> redo konv 0.18
[11:17] <Riddell> but you can't upload?
[11:18] <Mez> with the libxi-dev depends
[11:18] <Mez> I can forward to you as i normally do ;) as i did for the last version of konv I built (which is the one I'd be editing)
[11:19] <Riddell> any other changes?
[11:19] <Mez> I don't know yet
[11:19] <Mez> I was backporting it... and I forgot to change from my breezy to my hoary pbuild ;)
[11:19] <Mez> and stumbled across that error :D
[11:19] <Mez> so I'll see when I build
[12:24] <Mez> Riddell: want that konv update?
[12:25] <Riddell> Mez: what changes?
[12:26] <Mez> just the libxi-dev addition
[12:26] <Riddell> already done that th
[12:26] <Riddell> already done that thanks :)
[12:27] <Mez> k
[12:27] <Riddell> if you see any more of those pesky xi jobs, do give us a poke
[12:29] <Mez> k3b's already done :D :P
[01:34] <uniq> riddell: FYI, i'm fixing this now: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2005-July/001212.html
[01:35] <Riddell> uniq: cool
[01:35] <uniq> both for kubuntu.org and breezy, i'll upload and give you urls once they are ready.
[02:41] <Riddell> uniq: what's the status of kio-apt packages?
[02:54] <Riddell> froud-work: "gstreamer may replace amorok"  amarok will use gstreamer
[02:55] <froud-work> kk
[02:55] <Riddell> but the end user shouldn't notice
[02:59] <froud-work> Riddell: fixed in svn will be uploaded on tonights build
[03:00] <froud-work> Thanks ;-)
[03:00] <Riddell> froud-work: what's the difference between Kubuntu User Guide and Kynaptic User Manual?
[03:02] <Riddell> aaah
[03:02] <Riddell> I misread Kynaptic as Kubuntu for some reason, just me going blind
[03:02] <froud-work> Ah ha, ok
[03:02] <froud-work> though for a minute there was a bug in the build
[03:02] <froud-work> The faqguides are rough
[03:03] <froud-work> they contain much gnome stuff presently
[03:03] <froud-work> but ppl are working on that
[03:03] <froud-work> the faqguide is six books in one
[03:04] <froud-work> one xml instance
[03:04] <Riddell> gosh
[03:04] <froud-work> Ubuntu (i386, AMD64, PPC) and Kubuntu (i386, AMD64, PPC)
[03:05] <froud-work> the delta between these books is large so it makes sense to just create profiles for each of those target books
[03:05] <Riddell> what sort of things are different?
[03:06] <froud-work> small changes
[03:06] <froud-work> somewhere between 6 and a dozen in all
[03:07] <froud-work> maybe a bit more
[03:07] <froud-work> and of course with kubuntu the name changes
[03:07] <froud-work> but essentially when I person sees the i386 book they will not see info relative to AMD or PPC
[03:08] <froud-work> and the other way around
[03:08] <Riddell> yep
[03:09] <froud-work> I am not following it much yet, the guys who wrote the variants of the ubuntuguide.org are doing it
[03:09] <froud-work> and in doing so, ensuring that the eveil stuff in ubuntuguide.org is made holy or uninstalled
[03:10] <froud-work> otherwise we can't release as official
[03:11] <tvo> Riddell: kio-locate is now in supermirror
[03:11] <Riddell> tvo: ooh, excellent
[03:11] <Riddell> tvo: can you add to your wiki page how to get it out of supermirror :)
[03:13] <tvo> Riddell: you mean, for others if they want to mirror it locally and possibly fork a new implementation?
[03:13] <tvo> or look at it whatever
[03:13] <Riddell> tvo: well I mean for people like me who want to look at it
[03:13] <Riddell> froud-work: who needs to do the reviewing in the Needs Review sections?
[03:13] <froud-work> Anyone can
[03:14] <tvo> Riddell: ok, that's what I meant :) going to investigate now
[03:14] <tvo> and find out how
[03:14] <froud-work> Riddell: its a way for us to know in what state a node is, ad development progresses you will see more status = complete
[03:18] <froud-work> Riddell: the status's are described here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamWork?highlight=%28CategoryDocteam%29
[03:20] <Riddell> froud-work: so if it says "Awaiting Review" who's doing the reviews?
[03:22] <froud-work> Riddell: you or anyone, mostly the members of the docteam take a look at these points. We check each others work. But anone can do the review. From the developers perspective you shoul dbe looking for technical wrongs. Lik ethe amarok/gstreamer example
[03:23] <froud-work> does that make sense?
[03:23] <Riddell> yep, think so 
[03:24] <froud-work> The report is just all the headings with a status attributed to them
[03:24] <froud-work> when the book is new it is full of help wanted
[03:24] <froud-work> as the book develops you will see writing and reviewing
[03:25] <froud-work>  and Awaiting Review then finally complete
[03:25] <Riddell> is the .deb package good enough to be uploaded so we can get it past NEW and into the daily CDs?  (gets the visibility up and people may help more)
[03:25] <froud-work> yes it is, but we were discussing the naming convention
[03:25] <froud-work> could we change it
[03:26] <Riddell> change from kubuntu-docs?
[03:26] <froud-work> we were thinking kubuntu-doc-5.10-1.1 kubuntu-doc-5.10-1.2 kubuntu-doc-5.10-1.3 etc
[03:26] <froud-work> this file never goes up to debian
[03:26] <froud-work> or any upstream for that matter
[03:26] <uniq> riddell: kio-apt ready except the favicon which i have no idea how to solve.
[03:27] <froud-work> uniq: ello
[03:27] <uniq> hi froud.
[03:28] <froud-work> Riddell: what do you think?
[03:28] <Riddell> froud-work: so changing the version number?
[03:29] <froud-work> at present it is kubuntu-docs-0.1ubuntu1
[03:29] <froud-work> that makes no sense
[03:29] <froud-work> uniq suggested perhaps we should do kubuntu-doc-5.10-0.1 then at release do kubuntu-doc-5.10-1.1
[03:30] <Riddell> sounds like a good idea
[03:30] <froud-work> ok so I will change it for tonights build
[03:30] <froud-work> you should be able to download it and put it up
[03:30] <froud-work> tomorrow
[03:31] <Riddell> I'm away tomorrow, but I'll mind and look at it on Sunday
[03:31] <froud-work> do you just need the deb?
[03:31] <froud-work> sure no rush
[03:31] <froud-work> how often do you want to upload it?
[03:32] <froud-work> I would say once a week should be enough
[03:32] <Riddell> sounds about right
[03:33] <froud-work> OK, just so you know it only builds if there are changes in the srcs
[03:33] <froud-work> so if no work was done then no build and no update
[03:33] <froud-work> generally there have been daily changes so updates have been done
[03:35] <uniq> riddell: i'll upload kio-apt, should i put it on REVU, or the regular place? 
[03:35] <Riddell> froud-work: is it possible/easy to get funky things like kubuntu themed headers on the HTML?
[03:36] <Riddell> uniq: depends if you think it should be reviewed or just quietly uploaded hoping nobody notices :)
[03:36] <uniq> riddell: it is pretty good imho. only one linda error, which is on purpose.
[03:37] <froud-work> Riddell: it should be, though I am not totally sure how. KDE uses a custom layer on top of docbook dtd and the use the file extension .docbook
[03:37] <uniq> riddell: i'll put it on revu anyway, i like the feedback.
[03:37] <froud-work> Riddell: I think if you do use the extension, then you get the kde header for free
[03:37] <Riddell> uniq: got a URL for me to look over it quickly first
[03:37] <froud-work> Riddell: but I am not sure if you must also use the kde dtd
[03:38] <uniq> riddell: sure. it'll take some time, ISDN power.
[03:38] <froud-work> Riddell: but we are also not building using the KDE Documentation Project Stylesheets or meinproc
[03:39] <froud-work> so I guess it wont work
[03:39] <froud-work> Riddell: I will look into building a Kubuntu customization of the header so we can use kde look or our own
[03:40] <Riddell> froud-work: yeah, if the package contains HTML then surly it's a case of add thing pretty style when that HTML is generated
[03:40] <froud-work> yes, but we do transformations to HTML from the XML using XSL
[03:40] <froud-work> we use xsltproc
[03:41] <Riddell> so it's the job of xsltproc
[03:41] <Riddell> or the XSL stylesheet I guess
[03:41] <froud-work> so I will have to add a custom.header template to over-ride the default provided by docbook-xsl
[03:41] <froud-work> Riddell: in short, yes
[03:42] <Riddell> uniq: you should work on a remote server with NX, saves all that upload stuff
[03:44] <uniq> riddell: is NX useable with ISDN? 
[03:44] <Riddell> tvo: have you had a look at Kat?  I'm wondering if it's worth bothering with kfind at all and just make Kat good and replace
[03:44] <Riddell> uniq: should be, want access to my server?
[03:45] <tvo> Riddell: not yet, maybe I'll do that later today
[03:46] <uniq> riddell: would be cool to test.
[03:46] <tvo> Riddell: but you're right, too much searching programs would be overkill, so I'd better take the best one and improve
[03:47] <Riddell> uniq: e-mail your name, phone number and declaration that you won't abuse it written in blood to jriddell@ubuntu.com
[03:48] <uniq> OK.
[03:49] <Riddell> tvo: what would you say to sending me weekly Friday status reports saying what you've done for the last week and plans for the next week?
[03:49] <uniq> riddell: http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/breezy/kio-apt/ - source package
[03:51] <tvo> Riddell: that's ok for me
[03:51] <tvo> Riddell: what kind of document format do you prefer?
[03:54] <Riddell> tvo: just an e-mail I guess
[03:56] <tvo> Riddell: ok is fine, I'll start tonight, first one will contain what I've done until now (as opposed to only this week)
[03:59] <uniq> riddell: you have mail, short but i hope it will  do it :)
[04:00] <Riddell> uniq: excellent :)  preferred username?
[04:00] <uniq> 'frode'
[04:13] <Riddell> uniq: s/remote/kio-apt/ in src/apt.protocol
[04:14] <uniq> ok. 
[04:14] <tvo> Riddell: updated the wiki ;)
[04:15] <uniq> riddell: damn, it was that easy, and i was too focused on the .desktop files.. 
[04:19] <Riddell> uniq: kubuntu logo might look better just on a white background
[04:20] <guinsel> is apt-indicator already available?
[04:20] <uniq> yes, i've been thinking about it. remove all teh blue.. and make the text blue/black instead.
[04:20] <uniq> that's one of the remaining things.
[04:21] <uniq> I'll look into it.
[04:22] <uniq> will have to change to color/placemnet of hte "info-text" too.. 
[04:22] <uniq> if the blue header is removed.
[04:26] <uniq> bbl, food.
[04:26] <uniq> riddell: new source package uploading.
[04:26] <uniq> with the favicon fix.. 
[06:59] <pef> hello
[07:02] <uniq> hi pef.
[07:05] <pef> is it a well formed bug report ? https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1292
[07:12] <uniq> is this hoary or breezy? what repositories do you have activated? 
[07:13] <uniq> that's the two first questions i would ask.
[07:13] <pef> malone is only for breezy no ?
[07:14] <uniq> i think it's for all universe things.
[07:14] <uniq> and breezy..
[07:16] <pef> ok, I supposed not
[07:19] <pef> corrected :)
[07:19] <pef> hum
[07:19] <pef> now I can upload
[07:19] <pef> but I'm afraid to made a mistake
[07:27] <uniq> upload to where? 
[07:28] <pef> uniq: to revu
[07:28] <Soneras> hello
[07:28] <Soneras> froud: you're working on kquickguide?
[07:28] <uniq> don't be afraid, revu is just a review tool, nothing can break seriously.
[07:29] <pef> Soneras: hi
[07:30] <pef> uniq: jridell has already upload my package, if I upload a new package, will it be added to the existent or it will be considered as new ?
[07:30] <uniq> pef: new i thnk.
[07:30] <uniq> *think.
[07:32] <pef> mmm so the old must be deleted no ? 
[07:32] <uniq> you should talk to siretart in #ubuntu-motu
[07:32] <uniq> he'll delete teh old one uploaded by riddell.
[07:33] <pef> thanks ;)
[07:50] <froud> Riddell: if default folders are implimented I take it that Settings > User Account, Paths will include ability to change these paths?
[09:08] <froud> Soneras: kquickguide patch applied. Thanks
[09:09] <Soneras> no problem froud, I'll look around for missing manual links now
[09:09] <froud> cool
[09:13] <Soneras> froud, for kaffeine it says <!-- No Upstream Manual Available --><!--<para>For more information see the <ulink url="help:/kaffeine">Kaffeine manual</ulink>.</para>-->#
[09:13] <Soneras> <!-- No Upstream Manual Available --><!--<para>For more information see the <ulink url="help:/kaffeine">Kaffeine manual</ulink>.</para>-->
[09:13] <Soneras> no manual available, but there is
[09:14] <froud> could be
[09:14] <Soneras> atleast for me
[09:14] <froud> if there is then just remove the comment
[09:14] <Soneras> ok :)
[09:14] <froud> there where a couple of those
[09:21] <Soneras> riddell? a question; will there be bootsplash / grub menu artwork in breezy? so a) will it be in ubuntu and b) if there will be is there already artwork for kubuntu? I did some of those for SimplyMepis before, so maybe if that's still to be done I could help out a bit - no original artwork though I'd only alter whatever is there (for mepis there was a wallpaper I could work with - and didn't do the packaging for them. so, basically I'm jus
[10:32] <tvo> Riddell: mail sent, wiki updated
[10:37] <froud> updated http://www.lnix.net/~froud/
[10:50] <pef> bye !
[11:00] <froud> night
[11:10] <Soneras> bye
[11:17] <tvo> night