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Mezseth_k, ping12:19
seth_kMez. pong12:19
Mez check AIM seth :D12:19
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DavidLeeRothHey yall01:10
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nxv__i just started amarok and added some dirs with mp3s but it doesn't show anything in the collection01:18
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seth_knxv__ see if you have libmad installed01:29
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seth_kgstreamer0.8-mad as well as libmad001:30
seth_kthose are necessary for mp3 decoding01:30
uniqor, if you use arts.. akode-mpeg01:31
seth_ktoo late, he left :/01:32
seth_khm, but thanks uniq, I'll file that away for future reference01:32
uniqyou can use !learn item description. to teach kinfo stuff too.. 01:33
uniq?? motu01:33
kinfo[MOTU]  Masters of the Universe are the brave souls who try to keep your universe in shape. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU01:33
seth_kheh, why don't they just have ubotu work both channels01:33
seth_kso we don't have to double-teach01:33
uniqdunno, i just setup kinfo because we didn't have a infobot. got tired of explaining the same things all the time.01:34
seth_kfair do's01:34
supernixOk great finally I have the DVD01:38
supernixI can't believe it but someone actually rated it as a 2/5 and said it did not have good hardware detection01:39
seth_kwhere?01:40
seth_kubuntu has amazing hw detection for me, second only to suse01:40
drawagoathey what are those system info side panels u always see in linux desktop screenshots?01:41
drawagoatthe cool looking clear ones with like weather and processor load01:41
uniqgkrellm01:41
uniqor gdesklets, or karamba.01:42
drawagoatu use one of em?01:42
uniqhttp://www.muhri.net/gkrellm -gkrellm themes screenshots and such.01:42
seth_ksuperkaramba for me01:42
uniqi don't use any of them.01:42
seth_kKDE -> superkaramba; Gnome -> gkrellm or gdesklets01:43
seth_kyou can install them all through apt01:43
drawagoatyea i think im goonna test out karamba01:43
uniqmore annoying than useful to me.01:43
drawagoatim a sucker for useless stuff with transparency01:43
seth_khaha01:43
seth_kme too01:43
uniqheh.01:43
drawagoati always try to configure everything to look clear and stuff but it always jsut messes everything up01:43
drawagoathaha01:43
uniqMy desktop is pretty much default kubuntu.. not much changes.01:44
drawagoathow would i use apt-get to get it...? like "apt-get superkaramba" ?01:44
uniqapt-get install superkaramba 01:45
uniqor just use kynaptic to install it.01:45
drawagoati couldnt find it thru kynaptic01:45
seth_kdrawagoat: you will need to enable universe repositories01:46
drawagoatalrihgt01:46
seth_kwould you like help doing that?01:46
drawagoatyea apt-get dont find it =either01:46
drawagoati should be able to do it01:46
seth_kokay01:46
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drawagoatgoat@klaptop:~$ sudo apt-get install superkaramba01:49
drawagoatReading package lists... Done01:49
drawagoatBuilding dependency tree... Done01:49
drawagoatW: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)01:49
drawagoatW: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems01:49
drawagoatE: Couldn't find package superkaramba01:49
seth_kdrawagoat: run sudo aptitude update01:49
seth_kbefore you try to install it01:49
drawagoatk whats that command do?01:49
seth_kit updates your package lists01:49
seth_ksince you added the universe01:49
drawagoato i see01:49
drawagoatcool thanks01:49
seth_know you need to get the list of packages in universe01:49
drawagoatyea01:49
seth_kbtw, aptitude is a drop-in replacement for apt-get. I prefer it over apt-get01:49
seth_kuniq, help me with kinfo syntax?01:50
uniq!learn item description goes here01:51
kinfoInprinted item (memory injection successful)01:51
uniq?? item01:51
kinfo[item]  description goes here01:51
seth_kgreat, thank you.01:51
uniq!relearn item new description01:51
kinfo[item]  has a different meaning to me now01:51
uniq!! ite01:51
kinfo[*ite*]  item 01:51
uniq!cs descri01:52
kinfo[*descri*]  item restrictedformats 01:52
uniq!forget item01:52
kinfoitem was supressed01:52
uniq!cs is content search.01:52
kinfo[*is*]  apt-pinning components sources.list WYSIWYG 01:52
uniqheh.01:52
seth_k:D01:52
seth_k!learn aptitude A drop-in replacement for apt-get. It features many enhancements over apt-get with no learning curve. For more information on its advantages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html01:52
kinfoInprinted aptitude (memory injection successful)01:52
seth_k?? aptitude01:52
kinfo[aptitude]  A drop-in replacement for apt-get. It features many enhancements over apt-get with no learning curve. For more information on its advantages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html01:52
uniqthere is also a webinterface. at http://frode.kde.no/kinfo/01:52
seth_kshiny01:53
drawagoatso i could do "aptitude install superkaramba" ?01:53
uniqyes.01:53
seth_ksudo aptitude install superkaramba01:53
seth_kindeed01:53
uniqaptitute is great because it keeps track of the history.01:53
uniqi don't use it, because i'm to addicted to apt-get.. typing aptitude is alot of work compared to the good old apt-get and apt-cache :] 01:54
seth_kalso, it can tell when a package is no longer being used (e.g., no reverse-depends) and remove it01:54
drawagoatit had to get xmms for superkaramba?01:55
drawagoatmsut be some part of listing what audio ur playing or something01:55
seth_kdrawagoat: that's correct01:55
drawagoatdoest work with amarok or what?01:55
seth_kyes, it does01:55
seth_kdrawagoat: that's an advantage of using aptitude. If you remove superkarmaba in the future, it will remember that you installed xmms and offer to remove it too01:55
drawagoator the xmms stuff is the stuff that allows it to read from amarox maybe?01:55
drawagoatk sounds good01:56
drawagoatthanks guys'01:56
seth_knot a problem, let us know how it goes01:56
drawagoathmmm01:57
drawagoatis superkaramba jsut a themes manager thing?01:57
drawagoatmaybe i wanted jsut regular karamba and not super?01:57
seth_kno, regular karamba has no python support01:57
drawagoati was looking for the system traits display app...01:57
seth_kyou must download it01:57
seth_ksuperkaramba is just the engine01:57
drawagoatmmmk....01:58
seth_kI use Fantastik as my system display widget01:58
seth_kyou can download it from the superkaramba site01:58
seth_kalso, Liquid Weather is nice01:58
drawagoatok im starting to get it01:58
seth_kthink of superkaramba like Dashboard. They are the shells... you must add widgets to them01:58
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drawagoatwhere should i save the liquid whether tarball thing?02:02
seth_kdrawagoat: I like to store them in ~/.superkaramba/themes02:16
drawagoatok02:16
drawagoati got it installed.... but its acting up02:16
drawagoatits got some info right but otherwise its jsut got crazy characters02:17
seth_kYou need to set it with your zip code and stuff02:17
drawagoathow to do?02:18
drawagoatits weird02:18
drawagoatight now it puts a lil box in between every letter02:19
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seth_kright click and do settings02:19
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drawagoati think theres definately something wrong with mine02:20
drawagoatlemme see if i can prnt scrn02:20
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seth_kuse ksnapshot02:21
seth_kit's in your graphics menu02:21
gdhAnyone done any work with Mono ?02:22
seth_kdrawagoat: ah, I know the problem. Hoary doesn't have a new enough version of superkaramba to use Liquid Weather unless you add backports02:22
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drawagoathmmm02:24
drawagoati have backports02:24
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drawagoatk updating02:26
drawagoatfinally starting to understand the whole apt thing02:26
seth_kgrood02:27
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flughif i install the kubuntu-live package in my ubuntu system, is there any going back, just in case?02:32
seth_kkubuntu-desktop is the package you'd want02:33
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seth_kand sure, you can remove it immediately02:33
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flughseth_k: aah, k. thanks. not sure how far-reaching this thing would go. last thing i need is to install something and the toaster quit working02:33
seth_kindeed :P02:33
seth_kif you do a purge on it when you remove it, it'll remove all configuration files and everything02:34
seth_kno more Windows, with its registry that clogs up the more you uninstall and reinstall02:34
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flughi'm not a big fan of how kde looks and feels, thought a stab at kubuntu might be a mind-changer :)02:36
seth_koy, and i'm not a big fan of how gnome looks and feels02:36
seth_klet's be friends02:36
seth_k:P02:36
seth_kgnome just feels dull to me, and clunky02:36
flughhehe, fair enough02:36
monchygnome has kind of grown on me02:37
flughi'll take anything that's -not- Access2K on winxp at work all day. *shudder*02:37
seth_kahhhh02:39
seth_kdon't scare me like that02:39
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drawagoathow do u purge a program and its config files?02:46
drawagoatlike if i wanted to purge kopete cause mine is broke02:46
seth_ksudo aptitude purge kopete02:47
seth_kyou're welcome :D02:50
monchylol02:50
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supernixGosh I am the only Torrent with 100% of the DVD02:58
seth_kthat just means all the others log off immediately after completion :/02:58
supernixthat suchs02:58
supernixsuck*02:59
supernixI would not realy mind being a seeder when I am not using my PC but I don't wanna give the bandwith away while I wanna enjoy it02:59
supernix:D02:59
monchyi only seed til my ratio/upload % is in the green lol03:00
supernixHmmm how can you tell it is in the green ?03:01
monchywell in bittornado it's next to "Share Rating"03:02
supernixIs bittornado windows ?03:04
monchywindows, linux03:04
monchyetc03:04
supernixah yeah just read that it was written in Python and platform independent03:05
uniqgnite.03:08
supernixare you leaving uniq ?03:12
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penguinboyhey hey hey guys and gals03:31
monchyhey03:31
monchybrb03:31
seth_khai03:31
penguinboyits the monchmeister!!!03:31
penguinboyhey hey hey seth03:31
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QueerAsFolkhey hey hey kubuntufan!03:54
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supernixGuess who04:05
monchyqueerasfolks next victim :o04:06
supernixI am not seeing anymore apps on this DVD than I did with the LiveCD04:06
stibbyreally?04:07
stibbythats...odd04:07
supernixthat is what I thought too04:07
supernixI was salivating at the idea of all the goodies I would see once I booted to the DVD04:08
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stibbysupernix: can it be requested?04:09
supernixcan what be requested ?04:09
stibbymore applications packed into the Kubuntu Live DVD04:10
supernixThey have to be there somehow as the DVD is 2.88 gigs04:10
stibbythrough a mailing list or a Bugzilla, I suppose04:10
supernixMUCH MUCH larger than the LiveCD04:10
stibbysupernix: its probably all waiting to be installed with kynaptic04:10
supernixah so I see what your saying they are there but waiting to be installed but that would take up what little bit of ram I have left sadly to say04:11
supernixI think I have only 125mb left after the boot from the 512mb I started with04:12
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stibbysupernix: that sounds about right04:12
stibbyafter boot I usually only have about 200-125 left04:13
stibbyit seems that linux doesn't require much, but if its given it, it'll sure take advantage of it...04:13
supernixLOL I guess if I wanna have fun I am going to have to get serious and do the install04:13
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supernixAfter you install kubuntu does it usually take up most of the ram you have like Windows does ?04:14
stibbywindows tries and keeps stuff to a minimum04:14
stibbywhile linux uses it sparingly04:14
stibbyat least, thats what i'm told04:15
stibbylinux has a whole extra gig or so in swap04:15
stibbymy memory is used, but my system never slows down...04:15
supernixNot sure what you meant exactly I know that my XP usually uses a good 75% of the ram and that is what I am seeing right now with the LiveDVD04:15
supernixI am wondering if the results will be the same with the actual install04:16
stibbywell, your system will definitely run faster04:20
supernixWill it still use as much ram ?04:20
stibbyprobably not04:20
stibbyhow many apps do you usually have open?04:20
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supernixNot more than 4 at a time usualy well unless you count background programs like virus scanner and IM04:22
supernixHas anyone tried copying the data files from Thunderbird on windows to the Linux version to see if it will recognize the messages and such04:25
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stibbyit will probably work04:25
stibbyits probably in an FAQ somewhere04:25
stibbyif they designed it well, data transfer shouldn't be a problem04:26
supernixIwas not sure but it was a thought that came up04:27
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supernixOk just robbed my old box of the two drives04:44
supernixOne is a 20 and the other is a 30 gigger04:44
supernixNot sure if I should just use the larger one for the install and use the secondary for file storage or if I should use the smaller one for the isntall and the larger one for a backup04:45
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supernixHIYA04:47
guillermohi04:48
guillermoi was just testing Konversation04:48
supernixMe to well Konversation and Kubuntu DVD04:48
guillermothat's great... 04:49
guillermoi have a question about kubuntu... is there a way to install the source of the kernel used by Hoary?04:50
guillermoi need to compile some apps, and some of them ask for the kernel sources04:50
supernixhmmm I would think so but not sure how you would get them04:52
guillermoi tried downloading it from kernel.org, but somehow the compiler knows that the running kernel is not compiled from that sources04:54
guillermoit's weird... hehe04:54
supernixsomeone was showing me how to edit the sources list but I think you do that and you can download the sources04:54
guillermoi have only found "kernel-headers", as long as i remember04:55
guillermowhich repository are you using?04:56
supernixActually I am running the LiveDVD04:58
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delltonyanyone happen to know how long a typical dvd on pass2 wth mencoder takes to encode on a p4 2.8mhz system?05:11
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delltonyapt-get source (packagename) should download the source for you. look at man apt-get for more details05:16
jfieldsinfected mushroom rocks05:18
jfieldsyea but apt-build downloads and compiles it05:18
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supernixI am so confused as to why the Ubuntu channel seems to be busy all the time while the Kubuntu one does not05:22
nmorsebecause we're really boring people here05:23
supernixLOL that seems to be the case but I know better05:24
supernixEveryone knows that KDE people are smarter05:24
supernixJ/K05:24
jfieldsbecause all who use kde are smarter...05:24
jfieldslol.. j/k05:24
supernixGreat minds think alike05:24
supernixLOL05:24
jfieldsoops... that's funny we made same joke05:24
jfieldslol05:24
supernixYah05:24
delltonydang mencoder takes for ever05:24
calcsupernix: because ubuntu is much more popular apparently05:27
calcat least according to stats on distrowatch05:28
supernixthat is what a friend told me05:28
calcaccording to their stats ubunutu is 50% more popular than the 2nd (madriva) most05:28
supernixI asked him why would anyone want to use Ubuntu over any other distro and he only commented that it was more popular05:28
calcavg hits per day ubuntu 2501 kubuntu 31905:28
supernixI asked this earlier so I since I did not get any responses I will try again05:29
calcbecause its based on debian05:29
calcand because it doesn't suck ;)05:29
calcdebian isn't all that well configured out of the box for a desktop, ubuntu is05:29
supernixI have a 20 and 30 gig drive and I am going to install Linux on one of them so not sure which one I should put linux on or manage them05:29
calcand everyone knows that debian is better than any other !debian-related dist ;)05:29
nmorseIt could be with a tasksel task05:30
nmorseTasksel being the best program ever for making a set of packages for whatever you need05:30
nmorseI'm wondering why one install DVD hasn't been made with tasksel to choose between Kubuntu and Ubuntu and Ubuntu-XFCE405:30
calcubuntu also does a lot of integration work to make things work together better05:31
calchopefully most of that will flow back into debian05:31
supernixMore integration work than Kubuntu ?05:31
calcnmorse: there is an install dvd that supposedly has it all, but i don't recall if you can tell it to install kubuntu05:31
nmorseToo bad05:31
supernixI just spent 3 hours downloading this 2.88 gig DVD image to run this05:32
calcsupernix: most likely yea, since some of the stuff involves gnome apps that probably don't have kde versions yet05:32
calcsupernix: kubuntu has only been around since post warty05:32
supernixI was not presented with any options to run anything other than Kubuntu though05:32
nmorseThat's because it's the Kubuntu DVD05:32
calcsupernix: it should at minimum let you pick from normal or expert mode05:32
calcyou may be able to tell it ubuntu at the prompt as well (not sure)05:33
supernixLOL I definately need the normal mode05:33
calcthough it doesn't show a box to select which its what you type in at the initial boot prompt05:33
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calc:)05:34
calcstill at work?05:34
_crimsunyup, just testing the latest kubuntu live cd05:35
supernixI have been so looking forward to the install but I have been concerned about how best to do it and scared that there is something I am overlooking the LiveDVD is one thing but the install will be permanent05:35
calcsupernix: you can't really screw up the install except during partitioning05:35
supernixthat is the one that has me concerned05:36
calcdo you already have an os on the system?05:36
supernixI never know how to best handle the partitioning05:36
supernixI have XP one one drive but I don't want to touch it and I am going to install two drives on this box05:36
calcah i usually just make / one partition and a separate swap partition05:36
supernixOne will be a 20 gig and the other will be a 3005:37
calcah ok05:37
calcubuntu only takes around 1.5gb so you should have plenty of space05:37
supernixShould I make the smaller one the install drive and use the larger one as the backup ?05:37
calcwhichever is fine05:38
calcyou could even do software raid1 (mirroring) if you wanted05:38
supernixI never know how to handle backups which has caused trouble once or twice05:38
qbiti just used parted to shrink my kubuntu install for a second partition that i could use partimage to store backups05:38
jfieldshow is software raid in linux05:38
jfieldsnever done it05:38
supernixWOW you can do that with those drives ?05:38
nmorseI just tar up the whole filesystem and re-roll it in case of dire emergency05:39
calcthough raid isn't a replacement for backups since it only protects against hardware failure05:39
calcjfields: pretty easy with the new d-i installer05:39
qbitthat way I can always roll back in case of screw up - takes 6 minutes05:39
calcsupernix: you just have to set up two partitions that are the same size05:39
supernixah05:39
jfieldscalc: is it fast?05:39
calcjfields: not sure i haven't done testing on it at home, i have used it at work on a machine but didn't have time to benchmark it05:40
supernixI actually had wondered if it was possible to make like one drive /home/ but was not sure how well that would perform05:40
jfieldscalc: ok... thanks... was just wondering if it seemed faster or not...05:40
jfieldsyes it is...05:40
supernixYeah thanks calc for the heads up05:40
calcjfields: however even hardware raid cards aren't always fast, i built my brother a 3ware raid machine and its raid5 wasn't particularly quick05:41
calcactually it was slower than i expected05:41
jfieldsyou can make one drive /home... one drive /usr... however many drives you have05:41
qbitraid1 can be a little faster at reading but writes are a little slower05:41
calcsupernix: you can split up separate partitions for each directory if you want, it all depends on how you want to use the box05:41
supernixWill I need to do dual boot at all since I can setup which drive boots and when ?05:42
calcsupernix: ubuntu installs grub automatically and it detects windows for you05:42
jfieldsif you are worried about os upgrades or switchouts you may wish to put home on another disk or partition05:42
calcso when grub comes up it will ask if you want to boot ubuntu or windows05:42
supernixit wont mess with the windows drive will it ?05:42
calcsupernix: not unless you tell it to, watch the partition screen carefully :)05:43
jfieldshe's saying that it wont touch your windows install...05:43
qbitit will be on the mbr of whichever is the first drive in the system05:43
supernixDefinately very carefully05:43
qbitif you want to use it to dual boot05:43
supernixDoes the Partition manager show the size of the drives ?05:43
jfieldsi just checked out the first release of xmms2 for anyone that cares05:43
calcbtw if you ever need to fix the mbr on a windows box just run fdisk /mbr off a dos bootdisk05:43
jfieldspretty neat how they go about it05:43
calcsupernix: from what i recall yes05:44
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calcroot: is that you crimsun ?05:44
supernixthanks calc you have been very helpful05:44
supernixThis is doing much to calm my stress level05:44
jfieldsand that's a disk you make from within windows xp before you install or should he get that elsewhere?05:44
roothey i got a question how do i install firefox on ppc 05:45
calcjfields: for the dos bootdisk you can format dos bootdisks in windows xp iirc, not sure if it includes fdisk on it by default though05:45
jfieldssource?05:45
supernixI should be able to use the XP CD to run at boot time if needed shouldnt I ?05:45
rooti cant seem to select it from synaptic05:45
jfieldscalc: i dont think so.... that's what sux... gotta go find it05:45
calcsupernix: hmm maybe, never tried it05:46
qbitthere's no fdisk in windows05:46
jfieldsyea... doesnt it have fdisk?05:46
jfieldsoh...05:46
jfieldsofdisk?05:46
nmorsefdisk is in Windows05:46
qbitand if you boot off the XP cd you can use "recovery" mode and at a prompt do fixmbr05:46
nmorseIt's the windows partition tool05:46
supernixYeah recovery mode is a blessing05:46
nmorseIt's how you recover your MBR too05:46
jfieldseverytime i've done fixmbr it hasnt worked05:46
jfieldsbut that is me05:47
supernixI got infected by a trojan and was able to recover using recovery mode05:47
qbitif you had virus protection turned on in bios it won't05:47
supernixJust goes to show that Norton does not catch every last virus05:47
qbitthere's always a 0day 05:47
calcwell you can download older dos bootdisks off the net too05:47
_crimsuncalc: do you use software raid?05:48
calc_crimsun: i was testing it in vmware on my work system05:48
roothey i got a question how do i install firefox on ppc 05:48
calc_crimsun: i have to use it on a server next week05:48
_crimsuncalc: someone using kubuntu asks about tips for udev: he has to "'mknod /dev/md0 b 9 0' before /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid start works"05:49
calcgoing to have something like 20 scsi hds setup with software raid105:49
_crimsun(on every boot)05:49
calchmm i'm running sarge on those systems05:49
calc_crimsun: though i bet i know why ;)05:49
_crimsunshoot, cos I'm not a raid person :)05:50
calc_crimsun: if md stuff is modular it does not detect and setup raid by default05:50
_crimsunah, that "feature"05:50
calcthough it works for debian when you set it up during install05:50
calcso either debian has the stuff static or reads the mdadm config file off root to do it maybe?05:51
calcthough if that is what it does then raid5 wouldn't work, which would be bad05:51
calci just used raid1 so it would work regardless05:51
supernixWhen you install Kubuntu does it ask you which type of partitions to create ? I remember people use to debate ReiserFS over EXT2 as I recall05:54
calcyes05:55
calcit supports lots of stuff05:55
calcext2/ext3/jfs/reiserfs/xfs and more that i forgot05:55
calcmake sure not to tell it to use the partitions that have data on them already05:56
supernixoh lord this just got evern more confusing05:56
calcit won't let you set up the mountpoints for them05:56
calcif you are in expert mode you set mountpoints without having to format the partitions (which annoys me you can't do it in normal mode)05:56
supernixim going to have to erase the drives to use them as they were both one a Windows box once before05:57
calcah ok05:57
calcit can even autopartition a drive if you let it05:57
supernixWill it give me the option to erase and reformat those disks ?05:57
calci am not sure what it does when you select that though since i have never had a completely empty drive to test with05:57
calcyea05:58
supernixWhich format is the best to use ?05:58
calcimho ext3 since it seems to be most used is least likely to have problems05:58
supernixthanks ext3 it is then05:59
calci've seen data corruption with pretty much every fs out there05:59
calcbut since ext3 is widely used its most likely to have fewer bugs still not found yet ;)05:59
calcext3 is not the fastest fs by far05:59
supernixI think it was ReiserFS that people told me was so great that it somehow kept journals of the activity or something like that 06:00
calcthat is a tossup between reiser and xfs06:00
nmorsereiserfs is my favorite though XFS is pretty nice too06:00
calcsupernix: ext3/jfs/reiser/xfs all journal06:00
supernixah see sorry im a n00b06:00
calcsupernix: though reiser was the first journal fs in the kernel from what i remember06:01
calcgoodnight, i'm going to bed06:01
supernixI have not used Linux in well over 3 years06:01
supernixThanks for everything calc06:01
calccrimsun is a good source of info too btw ;)06:02
calcas long as he is actually around06:02
supernix:D06:02
supernixooooooooooooooooooooh crimsun 06:02
supernixSome people told me to wait till October not sure if they were talking about till I install the OS but I just have that fever06:03
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jfieldsprobably a release06:04
afrosheendoes the default kubuntu kernel include jfs support?06:05
jfieldsdunno06:06
supernixI am not going to be running a server maybe DNS but not a real network server06:06
supernixI plan to use this as a desktop box06:06
jfieldsif it's in the install process for you to use jfs... then yes06:06
afrosheenmy box won't boot now saying jfs isn't supported06:06
jfieldsi think it supports reiserfs and ext306:06
_crimsunafrosheen: it does. I elected to install kubuntu with JFS.06:07
afrosheenI don't remember making my root jfs but who knows06:07
_crimsunsupernix: well, Hoary works just fine :)06:07
afrosheenyeah my box was running hoary06:07
supernixYeah I have to take my hat off to the Kubuntu team they have the best hardware support over all the liveCDs that I tried06:08
afrosheenI took my box apart to troubleshoot another one, put it back together and now it's acting stupid06:08
supernixKnoppix and Ubuntu and Gentoo would not work with my printer06:08
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afrosheensupernix: no, your printer won't work with linux :)06:09
supernixactually afrosheen it is working with Linux06:09
supernixI tried it with Kubuntu and poof it worked fine even the scanner06:09
afrosheenweird..since kubuntu and ubuntu use the same codebase, only kde is newer IIRC06:09
jfieldsdoes anyone here know of an issue with certain laptops that when the nvidia driver is installed part of the screen will not be used and it is a fooked up resolution?06:10
aseigowell, kde just does a really nice job of managing printing =)06:10
supernixNot only that but Kubuntu is the only distro that will allow my ATI card to do 1024 x 2048 all the others only go max 1024 x 76806:10
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afrosheenwhat a crazy res06:11
supernixSomeone said it was a issue with the CUPS config that was causing issues06:11
jfieldsprolly06:11
aseigosupernix: yes, almost certainly.06:12
aseigosupernix: that's why it would work in kubuntu but not, for instance, ubuntu. i assume you used the kde print manager to set up your printer?06:12
supernixI hate 1024 x 768 everything looks so odd as I am use to using 1024 x 204806:12
jfieldsthe reason i asked my question is that mine does that on most distro's06:12
jfieldsi thougth that i was just x.org06:12
jfieldsbut it does it on some xfree86 disro's too06:12
jfieldscant seem to figure it out06:12
supernixYes I did in fact use the KDE print manager06:13
jfieldsworks fine in mepis... but ermm...06:13
aseigojfields: hrm.. dunno.. this is the closed source dirver?06:13
jfieldsaseigo: yea... that's the problem... not much anyone can do at that point06:13
aseigosupernix: yeah, that's likely the difference right there =) a new enough kde and using the printer manager06:13
jfieldsaseigo: but the thing is... that it works on some distro's.... wait... i wonder if it's the driver version giving me the problem06:14
supernixI actually might have been using the Ubuntu breezy as well06:14
jfieldsi think it was working fine with 69 but the other one is the one that gave me the prob... could be...06:14
jfieldsdont feel like testing it ATM tho06:14
jfieldslol06:14
jfieldshavent tried kubuntu on it yet... you get tired of installing distros all the time... heh06:15
jfieldsrunning kanotix right now06:15
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supernixIs the default Kubuntu pretty secure ?06:16
_crimsunyep06:20
_crimsunthe live cd seems to start sshd, though, which is odd06:20
supernixAny idea how long it takes to do an install on a 2.8 GHZ P4 ?06:22
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stisevHi all06:29
hanasakidoes kunbuntu use md5 on packages?06:31
hanasakidoes it have the thing like deb of stable/testing/sid?06:31
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Speedy2Ok, just did a Kubuntu 5.04 install, KDE 3.4 is up, but I can't seem to find the setting in the KDE control panel to change the refresh rate...I've seen it before though06:33
Speedy2Any ideas?06:33
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hanasakirun gnome ;)06:36
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Speedy2hanasaki: Clever.06:36
_crimsunSpeedy2: click K> Control Center> Peripherals> Display06:36
Speedy2_crimsun: Thanks!  (how "obvious")06:36
_crimsunnp06:36
Speedy2Goddamn it06:37
Speedy2It's only configured for 60 Hz06:37
Speedy2Was the installer supposed to ask me which video card I'm using?06:37
Speedy2(It's 2005 and we still don't have proper refresh rates...)06:37
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_crimsunit won't ask you unless you deviant from the default, non-expert install routine06:38
_crimsundeviate, rather06:38
Speedy2Hrm06:38
Speedy2I went expert install actually06:38
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_crimsuninteresting. Did you check the horizontal sync and vertical refresh rates in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?06:39
Lancellorwhen i turn on my computer everything is ok until when ubuntu is about to start this is in my screen "pivot_root: no such file or directory  /sbin/init: 428 cannot open dev/ console: no such file kernel panic-no synicing: attented to kill init!06:39
Speedy2_crimsun: No, just about to do that06:39
Lancelloranybody know what is happening this is the second time06:39
Speedy2Lancellor: Sounds like it can't find your boot device (that's just a guess)06:39
_crimsunLancellor: default kernel?06:39
Lancelloryes 06:40
Lancellori just installed last night06:40
Lancellorwas working fine06:40
supernixI can't recall but on a ribbon cable aint the main drive the one on the end and the secondary in the misslbe ?06:41
Speedy2Another general question: Is Firefox supposed to be installed?06:41
Lancellori have two hard drives with kubuntu installed same problem06:41
supernixmiddle*06:41
Speedy2supernix: IDE doesn't care which is master and which is slave06:41
supernixty06:41
Speedy2supernix: You can jumper IDE drives as "cable select" in which case the end is master and the middle is slave06:42
supernixI had a problem like that before but I probably had one setup on cable select by accident06:42
Lancellorno i unisntall the other one so i did a new install on a different hard drive 06:42
supernixDoes the kubuntu install the kernel optimized for a P4 by default or do you have to select it ?06:43
Lancellordo you think is my hardware???06:45
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_crimsunsupernix: by default, the -38606:46
_crimsun'lo again, dutch 06:46
supernixhmmm what can I do to make it use the one optimized for my 2.8gig P4 ?06:46
dutch:)06:46
_crimsunsupernix: ,,sudo aptitude install linux-686'' if you want an optimised one06:47
dutchhave seen that name some where before06:47
_crimsundutch :)06:47
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stisevanyone know anything about vmware here?06:48
dutchI still haven't have much luck with aptitude yet06:48
Speedy2stisev: I setup VMWare on a Windows machine just the other day...but I guess you're probably wondering about VMWare on Linux?06:48
jfieldsyea... i havent found aptitude to be very apt either... LOL06:48
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dutchI'm running a 686 here....06:49
_coryjust wondering, is it even worth it having this friggin AMD64 version of kubuntu installed on my system06:49
_coryi mean, i can't get nothing to install because all the deb files are created for i386 systems06:49
_crimsundutch: what sort of issues?06:50
jfieldspeace out all06:50
_crimsun_cory: you can still run those in a 32-bit chroot.06:50
_crimsuncya jfields 06:50
dutchjust haven't had the time to figure it out yet...06:50
dutch60 hour weeks are killing me...06:50
_crimsundutch: ah, it can be used like a drop-in replacement for apt-get06:50
_corywhat do u mean _crimsun06:50
dutchsee what you started :)06:51
_crimsun_cory: create a 32-bit chroot using debootstrap (search the ubuntu wiki), then install those 32-bit apps inside the 32-bit chroot06:51
Poromies_cory: you can have fully 64bit operating system, and build a 32bit chroot sub-system in it06:51
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Poromieslike 64bit basesystem and desktop, and with 32bit chroot you have 32bit environment to run any 32bit software you need06:51
_corywow, what about my wireless card drivers..that is another issue because there are no 64 bit drivers06:51
Poromiesndiswrapper can use 32bit drivers with 64bit system, but i think that ist like pre-alpha state ;)06:52
_corycoolies06:53
_cory..theres hope after all06:53
Poromiesand it needs special support from kernel (32bit emulating or something), and you cant do that with default kernel06:53
_corybut back to my original question..are there benifits in me running this 64bit OS opposed to the 32bit OS with my amd64 processor?06:53
dutchcoolies !  :)06:53
Poromies64bit runs faster, the difference depends on the type of software you are running06:54
_crimsun_cory: well, for the apps available from kubuntu that _are_ 64-bit, you may see a substantial performance boost06:54
Poromiessome run with the same speed, some run faster, some even much faster06:54
_crimsunparticularly apps like oggenc and flac06:54
Poromiesim running 64bit, and its faster06:55
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Lancellor when i turn on my computer everything is ok until when ubuntu is about to start this is in my screen "pivot_root: no such file or directory  /sbin/init: 428 cannot open dev/ console: no such file kernel panic-no synicing: attented to kill init!06:55
Poromiesand i have all the multimedia systems, skype and so-on stuffed on my 32bit chroot, so this is quite nice :)06:55
Lancellorp-lease someone can helpme with this??06:56
shawn_hello when I try to install the package KDE from universe it says it needs kdesdk but it won't be install so I installed it and the same error still comes up06:56
Poromiesand the multimedia support for 64bit aint that bad anymore, you can get 64bit codecs from debian-merillat repos and hmm.. i have mp3/ogg/music support working on 64bit + xvid/divx and dvd06:56
_crimsunLancellor: did you try asking on the mailing list(s)?06:57
stisevSpeedy2: hey06:57
Lancellorwhat is the mailing list06:57
Lancellorforums??06:57
_crimsunno, kubuntu-users, ubuntu-users, etc.06:58
_crimsunI believe there's a gateway to them via the forums, yes06:58
supernixok now I am confused what do I use to view and retrieve pictures from my digital camera ?06:58
_coryok i have a problem trying to install debootstrap...it said i needed a newer version of libc6 so i downloaded the latest .deb file (AMD64) and it gave me an error when installing that07:01
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_crimsun_cory: are you using pure ubuntu repos in /etc/apt/sources.list?07:06
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_coryi have no idea07:11
_coryis there a way i can get a new sources.list because i think mine is messed up07:11
_crimsunjust make sure you don't have backports, debian-marillat, etc. in it07:13
othernoobwhat's wrong with them crimsun07:13
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_coryi only have 4 lines that aren't commented out in my sources.list07:15
_crimsunothernoob: nothing, but when _cory's error is displayed as such, it is07:15
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_crimsundebootstrap should not ask for a newer libc6 version07:16
othernoob_crimsun oh okay, i haven't done much with the sources.list so i asked07:16
dutchdamn! now I07:17
dutch'm having troube with TW again...07:17
_coryshould i have more then 4 lines in sources.list?07:17
_corymaybe thats why i can't find gaim or anything in my synaptic package manager07:17
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_crimsun_cory: generally speaking, yes07:18
_coryor ndiswrapper07:18
_coryhow do i know what to add to the list?07:18
_crimsunyou generally don't want to add anything to the list.07:19
_crimsunYou want to make sure you have only hoary repos listed.07:19
_coryso how do i get programs through my synaptic package masnager, or should i alway or should i always install through deb files?07:20
Poromieseh... its quite fine to have other repos as well, as long as you know, that they are not that fully "supportet" and using them may result in borkingyour system07:21
drawagoatwhat the proper arguments to add when untarring a bz2 file?07:21
supernixI cant get the camera to let me download anything07:22
_crimsundrawagoat: tar xfj foo.tar.bz207:22
_crimsun_cory: you can search using Kynaptic or Synaptic07:22
supernixI changed USB ports and I can navigate the file structure but can't see the pics07:22
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_crimsun_cory: apt-cache policy debootstrap07:22
othernoobwhy do you need an authorization for hoary backports?07:23
_crimsunfor what?07:23
_coryyeah i know i can search but i want to be able to install programs like ndiswrapper through them07:24
_crimsunthen just install them via the gui07:24
_crimsunsearch, select, apply07:25
_crimsunothernoob: I don't use backports, so I don't know.07:26
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othernoobok07:26
_coryno but programs like ndiswrapper aren't listed07:28
_crimsunndiswrapper is in main, so you don't have that enabled07:28
_crimsunthis is what I have from the latest live cd:07:28
_crimsunhttp://pastebin.com/30930207:29
_crimsunanyhow, I have to go home now.07:30
_coryok thx for your help07:33
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dutchgood night _crimsun, thanks again for th help 07:36
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monchybad root07:42
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dutchgood night all07:44
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liz4rdhello everyone lil soul in here08:16
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Borg^QueenHello, what's the command to create a package.gz in a dir? I want to add a local dir as a rep08:35
liz4rdgunzip ?08:36
_crimsunlook at dpkg-scanpackages08:36
Borg^Queenthank you08:36
_crimsunyw08:36
Borg^Queenthere's one for doing it right within the dir08:37
Borg^QueenIts not listed here08:37
liz4rdi recently installed the 686 kernel on my 686 machine and after that i had more ram freed up at start but now all of a sudden i dont start with the smae amout its low now and i restart so its not cached08:38
liz4rdany ideas?08:38
Borg^QueenSee if you have any runaway apps08:39
Borg^QueenFAM does that to me08:39
Borg^QueenIt takes up my ram and CPU08:39
liz4rdi checked08:39
liz4rdnone08:39
Borg^QueenOddd08:39
liz4rdit's just ram for me08:40
Borg^QueenCheck to see what services are running08:40
liz4rdjust happend one day08:40
Borg^QueenWhat changed?08:40
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_crimsunBorg^Queen: you certainly can run dpkg-scanpackages from .08:41
_crimsunpaths are quite important to dpkg-scan*08:41
Borg^Queenyes, I can't seem to figure out the com arguement usage08:42
Borg^QueenI think I got it08:44
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liz4rdhey08:52
Borg^QueenHey08:52
liz4rdlol08:54
Borg^Queen?08:54
liz4rdnvm08:54
liz4rd:P{08:54
Borg^Queenas you wish08:54
liz4rdlol i said hi to Kamping_Kaiser08:56
liz4rdbut you said hi08:56
liz4rd:P08:56
Borg^QueenOh, I believe everyone should have someone to say hello to08:56
Borg^QueenSo I responded08:56
liz4rdok08:56
_crimsunhi _crimsun08:56
liz4rdwhen i say hello its general08:57
_crimsunwhy hello there, _crimsun08:57
Kamping_Kaiserhi liz4rd08:57
liz4rdLMFAO!!!08:57
monchyhi k_k08:57
liz4rdhello _crimsun08:57
liz4rdOMG MY FAGGOT FRIENDS ARE HERE ASWELL08:57
liz4rd:P jk08:57
liz4rdDONT SPAZ08:57
liz4rdBREATH08:57
liz4rdhey monchy08:58
liz4rdmoncher08:58
liz4rdmonch monch08:58
monchyhi liz4rd08:58
liz4rdmooooooooooooooooooooooonchy08:58
monchyoh yeah we have to be careful in here now, uniq layed down the internet law08:58
liz4rdOMG NO WAY08:58
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monchyonly on-topic allowed now lol08:58
liz4rdwhat did he say?08:58
liz4rdawe poor him08:58
liz4rdi'll get in here no matter what08:59
Borg^Queenthank you for the info gentlemen08:59
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liz4rdwas that a ....drag queen?08:59
liz4rd:P08:59
Kamping_Kaiserhi monchy08:59
liz4rdhas anyone ever seen a drag queen?08:59
monchytook you long enough k_k08:59
monchynever liz, thank god for that09:00
liz4rdlol09:00
liz4rdi wanna throw rocks at one09:00
monchyi wonder if penguin is one09:00
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liz4rdLOL09:01
liz4rdwe all wonder09:01
monchyhe's a little "too gay" sometimes so never know oO09:01
Kamping_Kaisermonchy: I'm not looking at the chan much09:03
monchyi figured :P09:03
Kamping_Kaiser:P09:04
liz4rdnight09:05
Kamping_Kaiseroh09:05
Kamping_Kaisernight then09:05
monchynight liz09:05
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netvoodoohi all09:25
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Pupeno-What should I do/install to get the Python mode on Emacs ?09:52
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Mezriddell: ping11:01
RiddellMez: hi11:02
Mezwas wondering about maybe putting the 3.4.1 KDE files into backports?11:04
Mezgive another way to get them?11:04
Mezplus, that's what backports are for, to bring things to the latest version :D11:05
Mezbut then, if breezy ships with KDE 3.4.1 there's going to be upgrade issues if we don't do our backport version renumbering11:06
Speedy2Is Kubuntu by default supposed to setup the /etc/fstab and pick-up all other partitions?11:08
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RiddellMez: what's the version renumbering?11:14
Mezadding ~5.04ubl1 on the end of the version number11:15
Mezfor example, 11:15
Mezif one of your breezy packages has the same version number as one of the hoary packages, thenit wont be upgraded.11:15
Mezbut, if they dont use your repos, and use ours with the same bversion number but ~5.04ubp1 on the end, then that makes the new breeezy packge newer than the backports one11:16
uniqthe kubuntu.org packages have 0ubuntu0hoaryX cersioning.11:16
uniq*versioning11:16
Mezah11:17
Mezfair enough11:17
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Speedy2I can setup my fstab, I'm just curious if Kubuntu normally does that for you.11:17
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uniqspeedy2: does  not do it for all partitions iirc. you must setup your special partitions yourself.11:18
Speedy2uniq: Ok, so it doesn't automatically pick-up vfat (FAT32) on it's own, eh? OK.11:19
uniqit'll setup all partitions you setup in the partitioner, if you don't setup anything in the partitioner during install it'll automatically mount the ones the installer creates.11:19
Speedy2uniq: By setup, do you mean partition ?11:19
uniqdon't think so, it's a while since last time i installed it.11:19
Speedy2uniq: (i.e. if during installation I created a FAT32 partition, that would be added ?)11:19
uniqno, not necessarily partition, you can set mountpoints for existing partitions too, wiuthout formatting. 11:20
uniqspeedy2: yes, if you create or set a mountpoint during installation.11:20
uniqi -think- that is the way it's done.11:21
Speedy2uniq: Ah, OK...I guess I should have setup those mount points during install.  Understood.11:21
uniqbut it's no problem to do it later.11:21
uniqafter installation.11:21
Speedy2uniq: Of course not! =)  I've done dozens of times.  Just curious, that's all11:22
Speedy2Yeah!  ncftp is now installed11:23
Speedy2Hrm, does anyone recall the xfree86 tool that lets you tweak the image on your screen incase it's off center?11:25
Speedy2hrm...Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pango1.0/libpango1.0-0_1.8.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch11:30
uniqdon't use us.archive.ubuntu.com, change it to archive.ubuntu.com11:31
uniqin /etc/apt/sources.list11:31
Speedy2ok...what's up with the "us.archive" ?11:31
uniqit has MD5Sum issues.11:32
Speedy2ok11:32
soccerfiendstill?11:32
soccerfiendus.archive was bad about a month ago as well11:33
soccerfiendI just switched all my sources to archive11:33
Speedy2Is gcc-3.4 the latest verified version available in Ubuntu?11:34
Speedy2(I guess it went gcc3.4 and then gcc-4.0)11:34
uniqgcc-3.4 is the latest you get in hoary.11:35
uniq4.x will be in breezy.11:35
Speedy210-4.11:35
Speedy2hrm...I thought I just installed gcc-3.4 via Synaptic, but gcc -v shows 3.3.511:36
uniqyou'll get 'gcc-3.4' 11:36
Speedy2uniq: Can you explain?11:37
uniqthe binary will be named gcc-3.411:37
uniq'gcc-3.4 -v'11:38
Speedy2Got it11:38
Speedy2So is there a way to update it such that typing gcc invokes the 3.4 compiler (symlink gcc ?)11:38
Speedy2I find it strange since I'm used to a distro updating "gcc" == updates gcc to latest version11:39
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nikkiamy understanding is, that 'gcc' remains the version that was used to build the kernel, so that by default installing modules and such will not fail11:42
Speedy2Ah.11:42
Speedy2I am about to re-compile my kernel and so I wanted gcc to invoke gcc-3.411:42
nikkiathat might be an incorrect assumption on my part, but that's how i've always viewed it11:42
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Speedy2Hrm...so no way to get "gcc" to invoke the gcc-3.4 installation?11:56
uniqsure, it's just a symlink.11:57
Speedy2uniq: Really? I couldn't find it11:59
Speedy2duh...12:00
Speedy2in /usr/bin12:00
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uniqyou shouldn't change the default system compiler.12:02
uniqyou should set the compiler on a per project basis.12:03
MezSpeedy2, why do you want to make it gcc 3.4 ?12:05
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Speedy2Mez: I was under the impression some of the changes in 3.35 --> 3.4 yielded some noticable performance gains.  But that might have only been for the ARM architecture12:06
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hnschlhello01:27
mikleehm, where can I get a qt4 package for ubuntu?01:31
liz4rdapt-get not work?01:31
uniqmikl: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/qt4/01:32
mikluniq: ah, thank you :)01:32
Riddelluntested :)01:32
Riddellmikl: let us know if they work01:32
miklriiight ;)01:32
gdhHm, what does qt4 bring to kubuntu? 01:32
=== ..[topic/#Kubuntu:Riddell] : http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/qt4/ | Kubuntu help channel | Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de/ | KOffice 1.4 http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice-14.php | KDE 3.4.1 http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php/
miklgdh: nothing yet01:32
Riddellgdh: nothing currently but lots and lots once programmes start to use it01:33
miklqt4 will bring kde4 ....01:33
miklAnd that's going to hit ubuntu, surely01:33
gdhokies, this is the start of insane transpareny / opengl / vector desktop stuff?01:33
hnschlanybody here to give me a minute of his time and help me with a audiocd:/-problem? i dont know, how to integrate lame. i already modified the source.list, then apt-get install lame.01:34
miklgdh: yes, sorta01:34
Riddellhnschl: you need to recompile01:34
hnschlRiddell: recompile what01:34
Riddellhnschl: kdemultiemdia01:35
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miklI surely hope that it wont break my KDE :)01:36
miklin a sane world, it should work01:37
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miklbut somehow, I don't think that's any comfort at all ;)01:38
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Titoxx69'lo01:43
miklRiddell: there's dependancy-problems with those packages... are they for breezy or something?01:45
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uniqmikl: most likely.01:46
miklah, well01:46
miklLast time i checked, breezy was horribly broken01:47
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uniqworks for me (tm)01:47
hnschlRiddell: perhaps a hint, wich keywords inr01:47
hnschlin google would help?01:47
uniqhnschl: apt-get source -b kdemultimedia01:48
hnschlthank you very much01:48
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uniqfirst: apt-get build-dep kdemultimedia;apt-get source -b kdemultimedia01:48
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hnschlok01:49
uniqehm.. that's all, not first :)01:49
hnschlthanks01:49
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Riddellmikl: yes, breezy01:52
nikkiauniq, btw, that reminds me....01:52
nikkiauniq, is there a way to get a source package in aptitude ?01:52
miklRiddell: on a scale from 1 to 10, how usable is breezy now (as KDE desktop)01:53
mikllast time I tried was when you guys were playing a lot with gcc-4.0 :)01:53
miklor g++, rather01:54
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hnschlau revoir, going to enjoy audiocd:/ ;)01:58
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Riddellmikl: perfectly usable if you get round X breakage (may need a  dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/foo.deb ) and may need to fix fonts path in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /usr/X11R6/lib instead of /usr/share02:00
miklah, well, that should be manageble02:00
mikli have --force-something problems on hoary too02:01
uniqnikkia: no idea, i use apt-get for everything :)02:02
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_samany one know why/how to get squid to cach files to conserve bandwidth?02:27
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bigkeithanyone have trouble with sbl sound cards and did u fix it? how02:59
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broukenhello, may i ask how to enable 500hz mouse polling rate? 03:22
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nimatarsorry for the little flood but i get this error:03:54
nimatarnimatar@dubhe:~$ gpg  --keyserver  wwwkeys.pgp.net  --recv-keys  0x529B8BDA03:54
nimatargpg: can't get key from keyserver: Connection refused03:54
nimatargpg: Total number processed: 003:54
nimatardoes anybody knows what the problem can be?03:54
guinselme no03:56
guinselworks fine03:56
nimatar:|03:57
guinselgpg: Total number processed: 103:57
guinselgpg:               imported: 103:57
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guinselis apt-indicator already available?04:20
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nimatarguinsel: saying to me?04:21
guinselto #kubuntu :-)04:21
nimatarah ok...04:21
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scbibleman anyone here ?05:12
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supernixHi05:13
supernixanyone here ?05:13
laser_tkyup05:14
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supernixAh so someone is here 05:16
supernixI was just about to reboot to install but I wanted to find out about partitioning05:17
laser_tkabout what?05:18
supernixWell should I accept the default suggested partitioning of my drive when I do the install ?05:19
laser_tkwhy not..05:19
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McScrufflo, anyone around?05:29
Kamping_Kaiseryeh, now and then05:29
McScruffis kde 3.4.1 worth upgrading to?05:31
McScruffi have 3.4.005:32
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foodcomanMorning........05:38
blackmoonhi, some MOTU here?05:39
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McScruffcan anyone help me install vmware05:54
buzthe setup should work quite well05:54
buzinstall gcc before you start it05:54
McScruffWhat is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running05:54
McScruffkernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]      05:54
McScruffi have installed the headers tho05:55
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dnakataallo05:58
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nikkiaMcScruff: the directory for the headers is /lib/modules/<your kernel version>/build06:12
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nikkiavmware's installer doesn't detect that sometimes, for some reason06:12
McScruffi tihnk i got it now06:16
McScruffcheers06:16
McScruffwohoo06:16
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OculusAquilaehi06:19
OculusAquilaewhere can I find the project page of kynaptic?06:19
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OculusAquilaeanother question, does anybody know, how to configure that the network interface is enabled automatically? Something has disabled this.06:26
aseigoin /etc/network/interfaces ensure there is a line like this:06:30
aseigoauto lo eth006:30
aseigoreplacing eth0 with whatever your actual device is06:30
aseigoor .. adding it to the list if you have more than one =)06:30
OculusAquilaethanks06:30
aseigobasically it has to match with a corresponding "ifact <identifier>" block below06:30
aseigonp06:30
nikkiaaseigo: erm06:30
aseigoer, iface <identifier>06:31
nikkiaaseigo: that won't do it, on a default [k] ubuntu install06:31
nikkiaon a default install, hotplug manages auto-bringing-up interfaces, and it looks for the mapping stanzas in /etc/network/interfaces06:31
aseigonikkia: works on the boxes i have around here. don't know if that's the Official *buntu Way, but i've been using it =)06:31
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aseigonikkia: seeing as that's how debian tends to do it, i just pulled that knowledge along with me. .. why, what's the *buntu way?06:32
nikkiaasegio, to use the mapping stanzas, via hotplug06:33
OculusAquilaedo you mean the "map eth0", but it doesn't work nikkia06:34
nikkiaasegio, you can make hotplug bring up all 'auto' interfaces by changing the mapping hotplug stanza, which goes back to a more debian way of doing things (hotplug still brings up the interfaces, so you still need to make sure your modules for your network interfaces are loaded and ready before hotplug runs)06:34
uniqi do it the good old debian-way too.06:34
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nikkiai have it changed to 'script echo' which does the 'bring up all auto interfaces' myself, because the script grep (default) method wasn't bringing up my IPv6 interfaces06:35
nikkiathe default hotplug method seems to work if you have one interface, and only one interface :)06:36
OculusAquilaethe user should be able to do this via kcontrol06:37
nikkiaOculusAquilae: as administrator, perhaps06:38
nikkiabut not 'the user', that just screams of problems06:38
aseigoOculusAquilae: yeah, you can actually. there's a network interfaces control panel that ships with kubuntu06:38
aseigonikkia: that's why we have that "Administrator Mode" button =)06:38
OculusAquilaebut it doesn't work I think06:38
aseigoreally? i tried it out the other day ... seemed to work ok.06:38
nikkiaaseigo: the fact that webmin defaults users to having interface up/down control scares the life out of me :)06:39
aseigothe "determining your OS" message is a bit humerous =)06:39
OculusAquilaeand at my mashine the Administrator Mode doesnt work too. Ive started it via kde-su06:39
aseigonikkia: shit, webmin scares the life out of me. <--period ;)06:39
uniqadministrator mode has a ugly problem.. http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=868106:39
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nikkiawell, thats that then06:40
nikkiaso much for my boss giving me a call today06:40
nikkialazy bum!06:40
uniqit's so great to be your own boss! :)06:41
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OculusAquilaei think there are much sudo specific bugs in kubuntu06:41
nikkiauniq, no matter how much you dress it up, its still unemployment :P06:41
aseigoOculusAquilae: yes.. they patched kdesu and i don't think that worked out so well....06:42
aseigoOculusAquilae: next release and all, right? ;)06:42
uniqnikkia: nohoo, i can work all day long if that's what i want. :)06:42
nikkiauniq, do you get paid for it ? :)06:43
uniqfor the work? - sure.06:43
OculusAquilaei will test the next release in before the release on a second pc, but if kde 3.5 comes in kubuntu you have to do the patch twice06:44
nikkiaOculusAquilae: you think there'll be a 3.5 ?06:44
OculusAquilaeit is announced or not?06:45
nikkianot as far as i know06:45
nikkiaand qt4 is out, which necessitates KDE 4.006:45
OculusAquilaeok, but I read the kde-pim mailing list06:45
OculusAquilaethey want to release 3.5 this year06:46
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OculusAquilaeand before and after this release the kde-pim team will begin porting to qt4 (at aKademy)06:46
OculusAquilaebut aKademy is before the release of kde 3.506:47
nikkiaOculusAquilae: i don't see any point to a 3.5 release personally, a 3.4.3 maybe if bug fixes dictate one, but otherwise focus on moving to  qt4 as fast as possible06:47
OculusAquilae> > Can the 3.5 release-plan actually be decided as soon as possible06:48
OculusAquilae> > ? Personally, I imagine the feature freeze in middle July, and06:48
OculusAquilae> > the release in06:48
OculusAquilae> kdepim has decided to have the feature freeze on August 1st and to06:48
OculusAquilae> start por- ting kdepim to Qt 4 at aKademy. I like the idea to be06:48
OculusAquilae> feature frozen before aKademy, otherwise we will have nothing06:48
OculusAquilae> stable to release for months after.06:48
OculusAquilaethere WILL be a 3.5 release06:49
OculusAquilaebecause everyone is preparing for that06:49
MezOculusAquilae, please, use #flood06:49
Mez:D06:49
OculusAquilaeMez: ???06:50
OculusAquilae"For large amounts of text, consider a paste site " ???06:50
Meztry not to paste large amours of info into a channel where there are lots of people :D06:50
OculusAquilaesorry06:50
nikkianot that 85 people is particularly 'lots'06:51
nikkiaespecially when around 81 of them are sleeping :P06:51
OculusAquilae:-)06:52
nikkialargest irc i've seen, was one of the macosrumor irc sessions, i think it was when the G5 was released, some 1000+ people in a single channel06:52
OculusAquilae:-)06:53
nikkiait was an incredibly effective stress test of irc clients06:53
OculusAquilaewas it fast enougth?06:54
nikkiaOculusAquilae: it varied, it was alright mostly06:54
nikkiahmmm06:54
nikkiabeep keeps switching itself to shuffle mode06:54
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OculusAquilaeisn't there a project page for kynaptic?06:59
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nikkiahmmm07:15
OculusAquilae???07:16
uniqoculusaquilae: it's in the synaptic svn repo if that's what you're thinking about.07:16
nikkiait had all gone eerily quiet07:16
uniqhttps://oops.kerneljanitors.org/repos/synaptic/branches/kynaptic/07:16
OculusAquilaeuniq: thanks07:16
uniqhttp://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/07:17
OculusAquilaeso its a part of synaptic07:17
stibbyhey cool! the head rabbi of isreal uses mozilla firefox07:20
stibbyhttp://blakeross.com/index.php?p=15207:20
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nikkiabah, i think i'm officially addicted to this album :/07:37
OculusAquilae???07:38
nikkiaOculusAquilae: the new robert plant album 'Mighty Rearranger'07:38
nikkiai've listened to it like 6 times in a row now07:38
OculusAquilae:-)07:39
OculusAquilaeIs (K)ubuntu 5.04 compiled with gcc 3.3?07:40
nikkia3.3.5 i think07:40
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bigkeithcan someone help me with wireless card setup? it worked automatically yesterday but when i reinstalled nothing happens07:49
bigkeiththe installer did ask me to choose it or the wired con but i chose wired because its connected to my cable line07:50
bigkeithand that was the last of it07:50
nikkiabigkeith: tried running the 'Wireless LAN Manager' in 'Internet' under the menu ?07:51
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Skamanhi guys!07:52
Skamancan anybody help me?07:52
Skamanmy MBR fuked off07:52
Skamanand I can't boot07:52
Skamanther'es a way to boot from cd?07:53
OculusAquilaehm07:56
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kbrooksqt407:58
kbrookswhoa07:58
OculusAquilae???07:59
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js_groovy08:01
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OculusAquilae??? :-)08:03
Skamanhey guys how can i boot from kubuntu CD?08:05
Skamanmy mbr was accidentally cancelled08:05
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Skaman:'(08:05
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mrmei just installed ubuntu, and then did a apt-get install kubuntu-desktop.  now i want to upgrade to kde 3.4.1.  i've added "deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main" to my sources.list, but after an "apt-get update" doing an "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" again says i'm already up to date.  what is the best way to upgrade to kde 3.4.1?  "apt-get install kdebase"?08:05
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Skamanyes08:06
Skamankdebase08:06
Skamanis the best thing08:06
mrmeSkaman, ok.  didn't know if that would get everything or if i'd need to add more.08:06
Mezmrme: you're trying to install KDE for Ubuntu?08:07
OculusAquilaehe has already installed it via kubuntu-desktop and08:07
mrmeMez.  i've already done that.  now i'm just updating from kde 3.4.0 to 3.4.108:07
Mezso what was the question about kdebase? 08:07
OculusAquilaei think you must install more08:08
mrmeMez.  oh.  i was just wondering if that's all it took to complete the upgrade or if i needed to apt-get install more stuff.08:08
OculusAquilaeapt-get upgrade perhaps08:08
Skamandid u restart X?08:09
Skamanlog out & log in08:09
Mezno - if you alread have kubuntu then it's an apt-get update08:09
mrmeSkaman, not yet but haven't gone ahead with the install yet.  i will.08:09
Mezapt-get upgrade08:09
Mezapt-get dist-upgrade08:09
Skamandoes anybody know haow to boot from the cd??08:09
mrmeok.  i'll just do apt-get upgrade.08:09
Mezmrme :D thats assuming you already have KDE :D08:10
Mezif not08:10
Skamanmrme u have to logout & login08:10
Mezapt-get install kubuntu-desktop08:10
kbrooksI want kubuntu!08:10
kbrooks:)08:10
MezSkaman - after the install08:10
Mezkbrooks, sudp apt-get install kubuntu-desktop08:10
Skamanhe already did the install08:10
Skaman*I guess*08:10
kbrooksyea but i want gnome removed08:10
MezSkaman - upgrade then08:10
OculusAquilaekbrooks maybe simplier installing kubuntu from the kubuntu cd08:11
mrmeyep.  doing apt-get install kubuntu-desktop only gets you kde 3.4.0.  i'll just upgrade the whole system to get 3.4.1.08:11
Mezkbrooks.. is such a PITA to remove gnome once it's installed, unless you know all the dependencies :D08:11
mrmethanks all.08:11
mrmeexit08:11
Mezor you could just install it after add ing the 3.4.1 repositories then kubuntu-desktop gets you 3.4.1 - but you arent here to hear that08:12
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Mac38DOHi! How can I get Firefox 1.0.4 with Ubuntu?08:37
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jpatrickhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingFirefox?highlight=%28Firefox%2908:42
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stisevHI ALL08:43
jpatrickhi08:43
stisevcan anyone tell me how to edit a file xorf.conf that is (apparently) used by the system?08:43
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bigkeithi switch to smp kernel onmy system and wireless goes away what do i need to get it back08:46
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cornelinuxHi there, when I install kubuntu 5.04, what is the initial root password?08:48
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supernixHi yall08:51
cornelinuxok, i read the faq. Well. I guess this is a.. strange way.08:52
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chris12349.09:08
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supernixHi09:14
jpatrickhi09:14
supernixWelp I finally done it 09:17
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supernixI am now using Kubuntu on my PC09:17
jpatricklucky09:17
supernixLOL why you say lucky jpatrick 09:17
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jpatrickBecause I'm still waiting for my CD09:18
supernixDo you have a dialup connection ?09:18
jpatrickno09:18
supernixNo burner ?09:18
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jpatrickno burner :(09:19
supernixSorry to hear that09:19
jpatrickIt's arriving "soon" (that's what shipit said) :(09:19
supernixSure would be nice if your local PC store could get you a copy09:19
jpatrickI've been waiting 5 months09:19
supernixGOD09:20
supernixare you serious ?09:20
supernixWhere are you?09:20
jpatrickI know :(09:20
jpatrickI'm in Spain09:20
supernixOIC that explains it 09:20
jpatrickI ordered in February  09:20
supernixEverything that is mailed is scanned completely pretty much09:20
supernixI mailed a disk to Africa and it took months to get there09:21
jpatrickI just hope it comes09:22
jpatrick"soon"09:22
supernixHave you tried talking to a friend that has a burner or your local PC store to see if they could burn you a copy ?09:22
jpatrickNo09:22
jpatrickbut they're mostly on dial-up09:23
supernixI would give that a whirl that might help09:23
supernixDo you have any computer shops around you ?09:23
jpatrickyes09:23
Mezjpatrick, have you spoken to the LoCo Team?09:23
jpatrickno Linux09:23
jpatrickLoco.... o.O09:23
Mezjpatrick, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpanishTeam09:24
jpatrickshame it doesn'09:26
Mez..?09:32
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supernixOk I was curious I did an install now I have these unexplained partitions09:43
supernixone is 1.3mb and one is 1k09:44
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_markhi09:51
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supernixHi guys09:56
supernixanyone around now ?09:56
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mrmeon just about every linux install i've ever done konq has always rendered pages much more slowly than firefox/mozilla.  on kubuntu konq seems to render pages just as fast if not faster.  what's kubnutu doing different?10:12
MezI think it's just because it's using a newer version of KHTML10:13
klkonqueror is oneof tha apps, which become faster with every KDE Version10:13
mrmehmm.  ok.  page rendering speed is just significantly better.10:14
kland I guess, it's build with good optimisations10:14
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mrmepages start to render before all of the page is downloaded.  that's nice.  seems like other kde's aren't defaulting to that.10:15
mrmewell whatever you kubuntu people are doing with konq keep up the good work :-)10:18
etrusc0exit10:18
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Speedy2Hey all.  I just re-compiled my kernel (2.6.12-2), everything seems to work, but for some reason the network interface (eth0) is no longer brought up on boot.  The ifupdown scripts are enabled and seem to run -- any ideas?10:24
Speedy2(If I do an ifup eth0, then eth0 works without any problems)10:24
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jpowersSpeedy2: I have that problem with my wireless card, b/c linuxant's driverloader software doesn't get initialized until AFTER the network init sequence.10:28
Speedy2jpowers: You can fix that by changing the order in the /etc/rc2.d folder10:28
Speedy2Do you know specifically which script are the offending ones?10:29
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jpowersSpeedy2: it would be simple to figure it out. I take it that that's not the problem you're having.10:30
Speedy2Changing the order == each script has a number associated with it that enforces the order in which it is run10:30
Speedy2jpowers: Well, I am not using Linuxant, I have Ethernet support for my chipset compiled in (Intel EEPro/100 / 82559 ER chipset)10:30
jpowersSpeedy2: yep.  I just haven't gotten around to fixing it.10:30
jpowersI don't really know how to fix that then.10:31
Speedy2jpowers: It's bizarre, I can't understand why I have to manually issue the ifup command.  I can only surmise that before the NIC was supported by a module and maybe it initalizes it after loading modules, but even still, support for the NIC is built into my kernel (and working, since I'm typing on the machine right now)10:31
jpowersyeah, that makes no sense.10:33
jpowersI have a thought.10:34
jpowersAnd it may be way off base10:34
jpowersbut does ifupdown use hotplug?10:34
Speedy2I dunno10:34
jpowersand does hotplug point at a module?10:34
jpowersand therefore not work correctly?10:35
Speedy2I compiled in support for hotplug10:35
jpowersalso, does dmesg tell you anything worthwhile?10:35
Speedy2jpowers: It does see the NIC on boot-up10:35
jpowersSpeedy2: theoretically you could just add a script early in your boot sequence to ifup the NIC, right?10:35
jpowersclunky, I know.10:35
Speedy2jpowers: Sure.  I just wanted to understand what went wrong10:36
jpowersGotcha.10:36
Speedy2jpowers: 10:36
Speedy2This is what dmesg shows for the NIC10:36
Speedy2e100: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver, 3.4.8-k2-NAPI10:36
Speedy2e100: Copyright(c) 1999-2005 Intel Corporation10:36
froudupdated http://www.lnix.net/~froud/10:37
jpowersSpeedy2: I have no idea what the problem is.10:39
jpowers:\10:39
Speedy2jpowers: Me neither!10:39
Speedy2jpowers: ifupdown is run before hotplug, I guess that could be an issue10:41
Speedy2jpowers: I didn't change the order of any of these things after compiling in my kernel10:41
jpowersSpeedy2: it was just a thought.  I'm don't even know whether they're even dependent on eachother.10:42
Speedy2I guess I can try booting the older kernel10:43
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_ubuntuhi10:44
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_ubuntui have a big problem, i had installed kubuntu and win98, reinstalled win98 but i cant access to kubuntu, 10:45
_ubuntuwhat can i do_10:45
_ubuntui have 2 HD, one with w$98 and other with kubuntu, when i select kubuntu HD, its show GRUB but it does nothing10:46
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Speedy2jpowers: Well, it did seem to work when booting the older kernel.  The only thing that I think it could be is that on start-up of one of the hotplug scripts, it said something like my system doesn't support all the features.  Let me re-examine my kernel configuration10:54
Speedy2Hrm, I didn't put in PCI hotplug10:56
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nikkiagrrr11:09
nikkiamy xemacs install has just broken for no apparent reason11:10
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ekikI'm having a bit of trouble installing the rt2500 drivers for my WLAN NIC on ubuntu. The makefile creates a .o file. Is there a way to convert this to a .ko file?11:19
twidgetI've just gotten CD sound in my Kubuntu install. Amazing what a little $5 cable accomplishes.11:20
nikkiamy god, there's still someone alive using analog CD output ?? :)11:20
twidgetI guess I had to.11:21
twidgetI'm using an Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe motherboard, and I couldn't get any sound out of it11:21
twidget(using the sound on the MB)11:22
twidgetWorked fine in XP, in Kubuntu: nothing11:22
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nikkiathat's because you weren't using the right CD player11:22
nikkiathe sound card has little to do with it11:23
twidgetPioneer DVDR-CDRW11:23
twidgetbah11:23
twidgetwhatever the acronym is11:23
nikkiaXP uses digital extraction by default, like almost everyone on the planet uses these days (especially since the 10c DACs they put on CD/DVD drives these days are terrible)11:23
liz4rdLMFAO @ WINBLOWS11:24
nikkiayou were probably trying to use a CD player/CD plugin that didn't use digital extraction, but tried to play via the drive's analog output, and thus the cable was necessary11:24
=== TrueChaos [~cameron@Quebec-HSE-ppp3615142.sympatico.ca] has joined #kubuntu
nikkiatwidget, i use beep, but i imagine xmms's CD plugin is similar, the configuration page has two options for playback method, 'Analog Output' and 'Digital Extraction'11:25
=== nikkia goes to check xmms
nikkiayep, exactly the same plugin11:26
nikkiaanyway, digital extraction provides far better quality, except in a few rare cases (copy protected CDs that have purposefully damaged error correction data)11:26
=== Blissex [~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #KUbuntu
twidgetDang! I can't find where I ordered this drive! :/11:28
twidgetAh! There it is: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682712916111:29
twidgetSo you're saying I didn't need to buy an analog cable?!11:30
nikkiatwidget: yep11:30
nikkiatwidget: you coulda asked, and i'd have told you :P11:30
twidgetdirty words!11:30
twidgetnikkia: I did11:30
twidgetlast weekend11:30
nikkianot me you didn't11:30
twidgetYou told me about the trashed graphics, I remember that much11:31
nikkiai don't recall you asking about CD's and audio11:31
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nikkiaif you had, i'd have pointed out i haven't had one of those cables in my PC since 1999, and don't intend on it11:31
twidgetI mentioned that I could hear the system sounds, but I couldn't play CDs11:31
nikkiathe quality loss and noise introduced is not worth it11:31
twidgetoh well. feh11:32
nikkia(noise introduced *not just when playing CDs*)11:32
twidgetI'd like to icecast eventually11:32
=== twidget unplugs his cheap analog cable
twidgetokay, it's unplugged, now what?11:33
nikkiatwidget, now go to preferences in xmms or beep, select 'input plugins' and choose 'CD Audio', then hit preferences, and switch it from 'Analog' to 'Digital Extraction'11:34
nikkiathen hit OK/apply/whatever/close, and select 'Add CD'11:34
twidgetI see KsCD, that okay?11:35
nikkiaprobably not11:35
twidgetbrb11:35
nikkiadedicated 'CD players' under linux tend to use the old analog methods11:35
nikkiabut let me check anyway11:35
nikkiaok, in kscd....11:36
nikkiastop playback11:36
nikkiago to configure kscd11:36
nikkiaunder 'CD-ROM Device' there is a check box for 'Use direct digital playback'11:36
nikkiaselect it11:36
twidgetanything else under that section?11:39
nikkiawell, you could change the audio backend from arts to alsa if you want, but thats up to you, and depends whether you've configured arts11:39
nikkia(KDE uses arts for audio by default)11:39
nikkiayou'll probably notice that the bass response from digital extraction is far better than the analog cable11:40
twidgetwhoa! You're right! muuuuuuch better11:40
nikkiatwidget: you have two things working against you with analog CD playback...11:40
twidgetnoise11:40
nikkia1) the cheap convertors on the CD11:40
nikkia2) the cable in a noisy environment11:40
nikkia3) the cheap mixer on the audio on your PC11:40
nikkia4) the fact I can't count11:41
twidgetit seems like it's skipping11:41
nikkiathat could be arts11:41
nikkiai avoid arts personally, just bang straight to alsa, but it requires that you configure dmix11:41
twidgetI'm game if you are11:41
nikkiai think i tried to get you to do that the other day :)11:41
twidgetah!11:42
twidgetYou said you didn't talk to me about this! :)11:42
nikkiahttp://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly11:42
nikkiano, i remember talking to you about sound, i do not recall you mentioning CD playback at all11:43
twidgetheh11:43
nikkiaand believe me, i have a good memory11:43
twidgetWhat if I'm using KDE?11:43
nikkiaif alsa is configured right, it doesn't matter11:43
nikkiaarts and alsa clients co-exist with dmix11:43
twidgetk11:43
nikkiaalthough it would probably require you to restart KDE after configuring it how that page says11:44
twidgetesd: no process killed11:44
nikkiayeah, that document is about ubuntu11:44
nikkiagnome uses esd, kde uses artsd11:44
twidgetso, everywhere it says esd replace it with artsd?11:45
nikkiawell11:45
nikkiapersonally, i'd ignore the bit until step 711:46
nikkiaand you don't need to do the apt-get bit in step 711:46
nikkiain fact, all you want to do, is edit the file and put in the contents in 'step 8'11:47
nikkiathe rest is unnecessary11:47
nikkiaonce you're done and have saved the file, you can restart artsd within kcontrol11:47
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nikkia(btw, the reason i stopped using analog CD output was one problem with it, that i didn't mention - since its not an important feature really, lots of sound chips cheat, and just let it flow from the CD socket to the analog output, via the mixer, if you connect digital output from the sound chip/card to digital speakers, you often find the CD audio isn't there anyway)11:51
twidgetI've forgotten. How do I log on as root again?11:52
nikkiayou don't11:52
nikkiause sudo11:52
nikkiaif you want to use kate, use kdesu kate /etc/asound.conf11:53
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twidgetI don't fully understand step 1011:58
nikkiano, i said, you only need to edit the file as per step 7/811:58
twidgetoh11:58
nikkiathe rest doesn't really relate to kubuntu11:58
twidgetokay11:58
nikkiaonce you've done that, and saved the file in /etc/asound.conf ....11:59
twidgetk, I'll reboot11:59
nikkiano11:59
nikkiayou don't need to reboot11:59
=== twidget stops
nikkiaopen kcontrol11:59
liz4rdlol thats what windoze has made you do for so long11:59
nikkiago to 'sound and multimedia'11:59
nikkiathen go to 'sound system'11:59
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twidgetdone12:00
nikkiauncheck 'enable sound system', click apply, check 'enable sound system', click apply again, and artsd will be restarted12:00
nikkiahopefully, if you did the file right, you should still have sound12:00
nikkiayou can check with the 'test sound' button on that page12:00
nikkiaif that works, go back to kscd, go back to the preferences and change the sound backend to 'alsa'12:01
twidgetBTW, if I haven't said so already, thank you guys and gals for being so nice and patient with a newbie like me12:01
twidgetit works12:01
nikkia(although, sometimes skippy audio is fixed just by the act of using dmix and forcing sound playback to 48kHz, a lot of sound hardware these days doesn't like anything but 48kHz audio)12:02
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liz4rdAHAHAH I JUST RECIVED MY UBUNTU CD's!!!12:03
liz4rdtolate now :P12:03
=== nikkia is listening to fake country :P
twidgetliz4rd: me too!12:03
nikkianothing quite like a rock band doing a country song about BJ's while driving12:03
liz4rdlol just now12:03
liz4rd3 secs ago12:03
liz4rd:P12:03
liz4rdwow that took along time12:04

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