=== _hippie [~hippie@pc-200-74-33-115.trinidad1.pc.metropolis-inter.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:19] seth_k, ping [12:19] Mez. pong [12:19] check AIM seth :D === duende [~duende@stjhnf01bb8-142162183059.nl.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu === _hippie [~hippie@pc-200-74-33-115.trinidad1.pc.metropolis-inter.com] has joined #kubuntu === jpowers [~jpowers@208-59-170-43.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu === True_Chaos|Lapto [~cameron@HSE-Toronto-ppp298099.sympatico.ca] has joined #kubuntu === Linux_Bitch [~SUSAN@washdc3-ar8-4-62-076-148.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu === stibby [~stibby@pcp0010580302pcs.coatsv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === ronel [~ronel@200.62.8.98] has joined #kubuntu === elli [~elli@ip-164-10.sn2.eutelia.it] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === Heart_ [~jzdgc@p549C28D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu === Shuddertrix [~andrew@user-0cdv20s.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu === Shuddertrix [~andrew@user-0cdv20s.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu === The_bellman [~rjs@dsl.shannon.id.au] has joined #kubuntu === wincide [~tricoma@157.Red-83-37-68.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu === dlr [~dlr@adsl-152-194-68.mco.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu === dlr is now known as DavidLeeRoth [01:10] Hey yall === _loas [~loas@200.141.112.35] has joined #kubuntu === nxv__ [~matrix@dsl-084-056-121-031.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:18] i just started amarok and added some dirs with mp3s but it doesn't show anything in the collection === Shuddertrix [~andrew@user-0cdv20s.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:29] nxv__ see if you have libmad installed === seth_k hunts for the exact name [01:30] gstreamer0.8-mad as well as libmad0 [01:30] those are necessary for mp3 decoding [01:31] or, if you use arts.. akode-mpeg [01:32] too late, he left :/ [01:32] hm, but thanks uniq, I'll file that away for future reference [01:33] you can use !learn item description. to teach kinfo stuff too.. [01:33] ?? motu [01:33] [MOTU] Masters of the Universe are the brave souls who try to keep your universe in shape. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU [01:33] heh, why don't they just have ubotu work both channels [01:33] so we don't have to double-teach [01:34] dunno, i just setup kinfo because we didn't have a infobot. got tired of explaining the same things all the time. [01:34] fair do's [01:38] Ok great finally I have the DVD [01:39] I can't believe it but someone actually rated it as a 2/5 and said it did not have good hardware detection [01:40] where? [01:40] ubuntu has amazing hw detection for me, second only to suse [01:41] hey what are those system info side panels u always see in linux desktop screenshots? [01:41] the cool looking clear ones with like weather and processor load [01:41] gkrellm [01:42] or gdesklets, or karamba. [01:42] u use one of em? [01:42] http://www.muhri.net/gkrellm -gkrellm themes screenshots and such. [01:42] superkaramba for me [01:42] i don't use any of them. [01:43] KDE -> superkaramba; Gnome -> gkrellm or gdesklets [01:43] you can install them all through apt [01:43] yea i think im goonna test out karamba [01:43] more annoying than useful to me. [01:43] im a sucker for useless stuff with transparency [01:43] haha [01:43] me too [01:43] heh. [01:43] i always try to configure everything to look clear and stuff but it always jsut messes everything up [01:43] haha [01:44] My desktop is pretty much default kubuntu.. not much changes. [01:44] how would i use apt-get to get it...? like "apt-get superkaramba" ? [01:45] apt-get install superkaramba [01:45] or just use kynaptic to install it. [01:45] i couldnt find it thru kynaptic [01:46] drawagoat: you will need to enable universe repositories [01:46] alrihgt [01:46] would you like help doing that? [01:46] yea apt-get dont find it =either [01:46] i should be able to do it [01:46] okay === wirwzd [~wirwzd@c-24-218-115-209.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:49] goat@klaptop:~$ sudo apt-get install superkaramba [01:49] Reading package lists... Done [01:49] Building dependency tree... Done [01:49] W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) [01:49] W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems [01:49] E: Couldn't find package superkaramba [01:49] drawagoat: run sudo aptitude update [01:49] before you try to install it [01:49] k whats that command do? [01:49] it updates your package lists [01:49] since you added the universe [01:49] o i see [01:49] cool thanks [01:49] now you need to get the list of packages in universe [01:49] yea [01:49] btw, aptitude is a drop-in replacement for apt-get. I prefer it over apt-get [01:50] uniq, help me with kinfo syntax? [01:51] !learn item description goes here [01:51] Inprinted item (memory injection successful) [01:51] ?? item [01:51] [item] description goes here [01:51] great, thank you. [01:51] !relearn item new description [01:51] [item] has a different meaning to me now [01:51] !! ite [01:51] [*ite*] item [01:52] !cs descri [01:52] [*descri*] item restrictedformats [01:52] !forget item [01:52] item was supressed [01:52] !cs is content search. [01:52] [*is*] apt-pinning components sources.list WYSIWYG [01:52] heh. [01:52] :D [01:52] !learn aptitude A drop-in replacement for apt-get. It features many enhancements over apt-get with no learning curve. For more information on its advantages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html [01:52] Inprinted aptitude (memory injection successful) [01:52] ?? aptitude [01:52] [aptitude] A drop-in replacement for apt-get. It features many enhancements over apt-get with no learning curve. For more information on its advantages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html [01:52] there is also a webinterface. at http://frode.kde.no/kinfo/ [01:53] shiny [01:53] so i could do "aptitude install superkaramba" ? [01:53] yes. [01:53] sudo aptitude install superkaramba [01:53] indeed [01:53] aptitute is great because it keeps track of the history. [01:54] i don't use it, because i'm to addicted to apt-get.. typing aptitude is alot of work compared to the good old apt-get and apt-cache :] [01:54] also, it can tell when a package is no longer being used (e.g., no reverse-depends) and remove it [01:55] it had to get xmms for superkaramba? [01:55] msut be some part of listing what audio ur playing or something [01:55] drawagoat: that's correct [01:55] doest work with amarok or what? [01:55] yes, it does [01:55] drawagoat: that's an advantage of using aptitude. If you remove superkarmaba in the future, it will remember that you installed xmms and offer to remove it too [01:55] or the xmms stuff is the stuff that allows it to read from amarox maybe? [01:56] k sounds good [01:56] thanks guys' [01:56] not a problem, let us know how it goes [01:57] hmmm [01:57] is superkaramba jsut a themes manager thing? [01:57] maybe i wanted jsut regular karamba and not super? [01:57] no, regular karamba has no python support [01:57] i was looking for the system traits display app... [01:57] you must download it [01:57] superkaramba is just the engine [01:58] mmmk.... [01:58] I use Fantastik as my system display widget [01:58] you can download it from the superkaramba site [01:58] also, Liquid Weather is nice [01:58] ok im starting to get it [01:58] think of superkaramba like Dashboard. They are the shells... you must add widgets to them === ilba7r [~ilba7r@d141-64-4.home.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:02] where should i save the liquid whether tarball thing? [02:16] drawagoat: I like to store them in ~/.superkaramba/themes [02:16] ok [02:16] i got it installed.... but its acting up [02:17] its got some info right but otherwise its jsut got crazy characters [02:17] You need to set it with your zip code and stuff [02:18] how to do? [02:18] its weird [02:19] ight now it puts a lil box in between every letter === brazmetal [~astralrid@200141150193.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #kubuntu [02:19] right click and do settings === monchy [~monchy@S010600e04c400007.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:20] i think theres definately something wrong with mine [02:20] lemme see if i can prnt scrn === _kl [~kl@p548F3120.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:21] use ksnapshot [02:21] it's in your graphics menu [02:22] Anyone done any work with Mono ? [02:22] drawagoat: ah, I know the problem. Hoary doesn't have a new enough version of superkaramba to use Liquid Weather unless you add backports === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:24] hmmm [02:24] i have backports === mode/#Kubuntu [-o uniq] by uniq [02:26] k updating [02:26] finally starting to understand the whole apt thing [02:27] grood === zorba [~zorba@dsl-210-211-91-151.qld.veridas.net] has joined #kubuntu === flugh [~jim@pool-70-22-40-252.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu === Ahmuck [~chatzilla@p124n22.ruraltel.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:32] if i install the kubuntu-live package in my ubuntu system, is there any going back, just in case? [02:33] kubuntu-desktop is the package you'd want === zorba [~zorba@dsl-210-211-91-151.qld.veridas.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:33] and sure, you can remove it immediately === zorba is now known as zorba64 [02:33] seth_k: aah, k. thanks. not sure how far-reaching this thing would go. last thing i need is to install something and the toaster quit working [02:33] indeed :P [02:34] if you do a purge on it when you remove it, it'll remove all configuration files and everything [02:34] no more Windows, with its registry that clogs up the more you uninstall and reinstall === zorba64 [~zorba@dsl-210-211-91-151.qld.veridas.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:36] i'm not a big fan of how kde looks and feels, thought a stab at kubuntu might be a mind-changer :) [02:36] oy, and i'm not a big fan of how gnome looks and feels [02:36] let's be friends [02:36] :P [02:36] gnome just feels dull to me, and clunky [02:36] hehe, fair enough [02:37] gnome has kind of grown on me [02:37] i'll take anything that's -not- Access2K on winxp at work all day. *shudder* [02:39] ahhhh [02:39] don't scare me like that === _hippie [~hippie@pc-200-74-33-206.trinidad1.pc.metropolis-inter.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:46] how do u purge a program and its config files? [02:46] like if i wanted to purge kopete cause mine is broke [02:47] sudo aptitude purge kopete [02:50] you're welcome :D [02:50] lol === zorba64 [~zorba@dsl-210-211-91-151.qld.veridas.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [02:58] Gosh I am the only Torrent with 100% of the DVD [02:58] that just means all the others log off immediately after completion :/ [02:58] that suchs [02:59] suck* [02:59] I would not realy mind being a seeder when I am not using my PC but I don't wanna give the bandwith away while I wanna enjoy it [02:59] :D [03:00] i only seed til my ratio/upload % is in the green lol [03:01] Hmmm how can you tell it is in the green ? [03:02] well in bittornado it's next to "Share Rating" [03:04] Is bittornado windows ? [03:04] windows, linux [03:04] etc [03:05] ah yeah just read that it was written in Python and platform independent [03:08] gnite. [03:12] are you leaving uniq ? === hon [~hon@mordad.ee.queensu.ca] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === supernix [user@68-189-171-229.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has left #kubuntu [] === penguinboy [~penguinbo@24-159-145-55.dhcp.smrt.tn.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu [03:31] hey hey hey guys and gals [03:31] hey [03:31] brb [03:31] hai [03:31] its the monchmeister!!! [03:31] hey hey hey seth === Heart_2 [~jzdgc@p549C2EFD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu === nmorse [~nmorse@adsl-64-217-110-209.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu === penguinboy is now known as QueerAsFolk === QueerAsFolk kisses uniq right ont he lips === QueerAsFolk invites uniq for a drink in a gay bar. === kubuntufan [~yasser@59.93.161.254] has joined #kubuntu [03:54] hey hey hey kubuntufan! === stibby thinks QueerAsFolk already had too many drinks [03:54] lol [03:54] lol [03:54] lol === kubuntufan [~yasser@59.93.161.254] has joined #kubuntu === BROKEN_LADDER [~pral@69.3.236.189] has joined #KUBUNTU === QueerAsFolk asks uniq for a light === kubuntufan [~yasser@59.93.161.254] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === othernoob [~othernoob@p54A2DE78.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === moshe [~moshe@ool-18bab1e4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #kubuntu === supernix [~ubuntu@66-169-23-004.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:05] Guess who [04:06] queerasfolks next victim :o [04:06] I am not seeing anymore apps on this DVD than I did with the LiveCD [04:07] really? [04:07] thats...odd [04:07] that is what I thought too [04:08] I was salivating at the idea of all the goodies I would see once I booted to the DVD === qbit [qbit@66-44-104-154.s662.apx2.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:09] supernix: can it be requested? [04:09] can what be requested ? [04:10] more applications packed into the Kubuntu Live DVD [04:10] They have to be there somehow as the DVD is 2.88 gigs [04:10] through a mailing list or a Bugzilla, I suppose [04:10] MUCH MUCH larger than the LiveCD [04:10] supernix: its probably all waiting to be installed with kynaptic [04:11] ah so I see what your saying they are there but waiting to be installed but that would take up what little bit of ram I have left sadly to say [04:12] I think I have only 125mb left after the boot from the 512mb I started with === moshe [~moshe@ool-18bab1e4.dyn.optonline.net] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] === _ed [~ed@68-115-88-42.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:12] supernix: that sounds about right [04:13] after boot I usually only have about 200-125 left [04:13] it seems that linux doesn't require much, but if its given it, it'll sure take advantage of it... [04:13] LOL I guess if I wanna have fun I am going to have to get serious and do the install === stibby installed three different window managers on his box already ^_^ [04:14] After you install kubuntu does it usually take up most of the ram you have like Windows does ? [04:14] windows tries and keeps stuff to a minimum [04:14] while linux uses it sparingly [04:15] at least, thats what i'm told [04:15] linux has a whole extra gig or so in swap [04:15] my memory is used, but my system never slows down... [04:15] Not sure what you meant exactly I know that my XP usually uses a good 75% of the ram and that is what I am seeing right now with the LiveDVD [04:16] I am wondering if the results will be the same with the actual install [04:20] well, your system will definitely run faster [04:20] Will it still use as much ram ? [04:20] probably not [04:20] how many apps do you usually have open? === judax [~judax@adsl-68-92-151-170.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:22] Not more than 4 at a time usualy well unless you count background programs like virus scanner and IM [04:25] Has anyone tried copying the data files from Thunderbird on windows to the Linux version to see if it will recognize the messages and such === KaiL [KaiL@p548F3120.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:25] it will probably work [04:25] its probably in an FAQ somewhere [04:26] if they designed it well, data transfer shouldn't be a problem [04:27] Iwas not sure but it was a thought that came up === dewey [~dewey@c-67-168-51-149.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:44] Ok just robbed my old box of the two drives [04:44] One is a 20 and the other is a 30 gigger [04:45] Not sure if I should just use the larger one for the install and use the secondary for file storage or if I should use the smaller one for the isntall and the larger one for a backup === guillermo [~guillermo@201.254.47.184] has joined #kubuntu [04:47] HIYA [04:48] hi [04:48] i was just testing Konversation [04:48] Me to well Konversation and Kubuntu DVD [04:49] that's great... [04:50] i have a question about kubuntu... is there a way to install the source of the kernel used by Hoary? [04:50] i need to compile some apps, and some of them ask for the kernel sources [04:52] hmmm I would think so but not sure how you would get them [04:54] i tried downloading it from kernel.org, but somehow the compiler knows that the running kernel is not compiled from that sources [04:54] it's weird... hehe [04:54] someone was showing me how to edit the sources list but I think you do that and you can download the sources [04:55] i have only found "kernel-headers", as long as i remember [04:56] which repository are you using? [04:58] Actually I am running the LiveDVD === _eric [~eric@40-23-28.dial.terra.cl] has joined #kubuntu === jsubl2 [~jsubl2@209.144.23.40] has joined #kubuntu [05:11] anyone happen to know how long a typical dvd on pass2 wth mencoder takes to encode on a p4 2.8mhz system? === en^ [~vax@202.152.167.82] has joined #kubuntu === jfields [~jfields@cpe-24-162-80-175.jam.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [05:16] apt-get source (packagename) should download the source for you. look at man apt-get for more details [05:18] infected mushroom rocks [05:18] yea but apt-build downloads and compiles it === en^ [~vax@202.152.167.82] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [05:22] I am so confused as to why the Ubuntu channel seems to be busy all the time while the Kubuntu one does not [05:23] because we're really boring people here [05:24] LOL that seems to be the case but I know better [05:24] Everyone knows that KDE people are smarter [05:24] J/K [05:24] because all who use kde are smarter... [05:24] lol.. j/k [05:24] Great minds think alike [05:24] LOL [05:24] oops... that's funny we made same joke [05:24] lol [05:24] Yah [05:24] dang mencoder takes for ever [05:27] supernix: because ubuntu is much more popular apparently [05:28] at least according to stats on distrowatch [05:28] that is what a friend told me [05:28] according to their stats ubunutu is 50% more popular than the 2nd (madriva) most [05:28] I asked him why would anyone want to use Ubuntu over any other distro and he only commented that it was more popular [05:28] avg hits per day ubuntu 2501 kubuntu 319 [05:29] I asked this earlier so I since I did not get any responses I will try again [05:29] because its based on debian [05:29] and because it doesn't suck ;) [05:29] debian isn't all that well configured out of the box for a desktop, ubuntu is [05:29] I have a 20 and 30 gig drive and I am going to install Linux on one of them so not sure which one I should put linux on or manage them [05:29] and everyone knows that debian is better than any other !debian-related dist ;) [05:30] It could be with a tasksel task [05:30] Tasksel being the best program ever for making a set of packages for whatever you need [05:30] I'm wondering why one install DVD hasn't been made with tasksel to choose between Kubuntu and Ubuntu and Ubuntu-XFCE4 [05:31] ubuntu also does a lot of integration work to make things work together better [05:31] hopefully most of that will flow back into debian [05:31] More integration work than Kubuntu ? [05:31] nmorse: there is an install dvd that supposedly has it all, but i don't recall if you can tell it to install kubuntu [05:31] Too bad [05:32] I just spent 3 hours downloading this 2.88 gig DVD image to run this [05:32] supernix: most likely yea, since some of the stuff involves gnome apps that probably don't have kde versions yet [05:32] supernix: kubuntu has only been around since post warty [05:32] I was not presented with any options to run anything other than Kubuntu though [05:32] That's because it's the Kubuntu DVD [05:32] supernix: it should at minimum let you pick from normal or expert mode [05:33] you may be able to tell it ubuntu at the prompt as well (not sure) [05:33] LOL I definately need the normal mode [05:33] though it doesn't show a box to select which its what you type in at the initial boot prompt === _crimsun [~crimsun@rchp4.rochester.ibm.com] has joined #kubuntu === calc stares at _crimsun === _crimsun stares at calc [05:34] :) [05:34] still at work? [05:35] <_crimsun> yup, just testing the latest kubuntu live cd [05:35] I have been so looking forward to the install but I have been concerned about how best to do it and scared that there is something I am overlooking the LiveDVD is one thing but the install will be permanent [05:35] supernix: you can't really screw up the install except during partitioning [05:36] that is the one that has me concerned [05:36] do you already have an os on the system? [05:36] I never know how to best handle the partitioning [05:36] I have XP one one drive but I don't want to touch it and I am going to install two drives on this box [05:36] ah i usually just make / one partition and a separate swap partition [05:37] One will be a 20 gig and the other will be a 30 [05:37] ah ok [05:37] ubuntu only takes around 1.5gb so you should have plenty of space [05:37] Should I make the smaller one the install drive and use the larger one as the backup ? [05:38] whichever is fine [05:38] you could even do software raid1 (mirroring) if you wanted [05:38] I never know how to handle backups which has caused trouble once or twice [05:38] i just used parted to shrink my kubuntu install for a second partition that i could use partimage to store backups [05:38] how is software raid in linux [05:38] never done it [05:38] WOW you can do that with those drives ? [05:39] I just tar up the whole filesystem and re-roll it in case of dire emergency [05:39] though raid isn't a replacement for backups since it only protects against hardware failure [05:39] jfields: pretty easy with the new d-i installer [05:39] that way I can always roll back in case of screw up - takes 6 minutes [05:39] supernix: you just have to set up two partitions that are the same size [05:39] ah [05:39] calc: is it fast? [05:40] jfields: not sure i haven't done testing on it at home, i have used it at work on a machine but didn't have time to benchmark it [05:40] I actually had wondered if it was possible to make like one drive /home/ but was not sure how well that would perform [05:40] calc: ok... thanks... was just wondering if it seemed faster or not... [05:40] yes it is... [05:40] Yeah thanks calc for the heads up [05:41] jfields: however even hardware raid cards aren't always fast, i built my brother a 3ware raid machine and its raid5 wasn't particularly quick [05:41] actually it was slower than i expected [05:41] you can make one drive /home... one drive /usr... however many drives you have [05:41] raid1 can be a little faster at reading but writes are a little slower [05:41] supernix: you can split up separate partitions for each directory if you want, it all depends on how you want to use the box [05:42] Will I need to do dual boot at all since I can setup which drive boots and when ? [05:42] supernix: ubuntu installs grub automatically and it detects windows for you [05:42] if you are worried about os upgrades or switchouts you may wish to put home on another disk or partition [05:42] so when grub comes up it will ask if you want to boot ubuntu or windows [05:42] it wont mess with the windows drive will it ? [05:43] supernix: not unless you tell it to, watch the partition screen carefully :) [05:43] he's saying that it wont touch your windows install... [05:43] it will be on the mbr of whichever is the first drive in the system [05:43] Definately very carefully [05:43] if you want to use it to dual boot [05:43] Does the Partition manager show the size of the drives ? [05:43] i just checked out the first release of xmms2 for anyone that cares [05:43] btw if you ever need to fix the mbr on a windows box just run fdisk /mbr off a dos bootdisk [05:43] pretty neat how they go about it [05:44] supernix: from what i recall yes === root [~root@cpe-24-24-44-39.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [05:44] root: is that you crimsun ? [05:44] thanks calc you have been very helpful [05:44] This is doing much to calm my stress level [05:44] and that's a disk you make from within windows xp before you install or should he get that elsewhere? [05:45] hey i got a question how do i install firefox on ppc [05:45] jfields: for the dos bootdisk you can format dos bootdisks in windows xp iirc, not sure if it includes fdisk on it by default though [05:45] source? [05:45] I should be able to use the XP CD to run at boot time if needed shouldnt I ? [05:45] i cant seem to select it from synaptic [05:45] calc: i dont think so.... that's what sux... gotta go find it [05:46] supernix: hmm maybe, never tried it [05:46] there's no fdisk in windows [05:46] yea... doesnt it have fdisk? [05:46] oh... [05:46] ofdisk? [05:46] fdisk is in Windows [05:46] and if you boot off the XP cd you can use "recovery" mode and at a prompt do fixmbr [05:46] It's the windows partition tool [05:46] Yeah recovery mode is a blessing [05:46] It's how you recover your MBR too [05:46] everytime i've done fixmbr it hasnt worked [05:47] but that is me [05:47] I got infected by a trojan and was able to recover using recovery mode [05:47] if you had virus protection turned on in bios it won't [05:47] Just goes to show that Norton does not catch every last virus [05:47] there's always a 0day [05:47] well you can download older dos bootdisks off the net too [05:48] <_crimsun> calc: do you use software raid? [05:48] _crimsun: i was testing it in vmware on my work system [05:48] hey i got a question how do i install firefox on ppc [05:48] _crimsun: i have to use it on a server next week [05:49] <_crimsun> calc: someone using kubuntu asks about tips for udev: he has to "'mknod /dev/md0 b 9 0' before /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid start works" [05:49] going to have something like 20 scsi hds setup with software raid1 [05:49] <_crimsun> (on every boot) [05:49] hmm i'm running sarge on those systems [05:49] _crimsun: though i bet i know why ;) [05:50] <_crimsun> shoot, cos I'm not a raid person :) [05:50] _crimsun: if md stuff is modular it does not detect and setup raid by default [05:50] <_crimsun> ah, that "feature" [05:50] though it works for debian when you set it up during install [05:51] so either debian has the stuff static or reads the mdadm config file off root to do it maybe? [05:51] though if that is what it does then raid5 wouldn't work, which would be bad [05:51] i just used raid1 so it would work regardless [05:54] When you install Kubuntu does it ask you which type of partitions to create ? I remember people use to debate ReiserFS over EXT2 as I recall [05:55] yes [05:55] it supports lots of stuff [05:55] ext2/ext3/jfs/reiserfs/xfs and more that i forgot [05:56] make sure not to tell it to use the partitions that have data on them already [05:56] oh lord this just got evern more confusing [05:56] it won't let you set up the mountpoints for them [05:56] if you are in expert mode you set mountpoints without having to format the partitions (which annoys me you can't do it in normal mode) [05:57] im going to have to erase the drives to use them as they were both one a Windows box once before [05:57] ah ok [05:57] it can even autopartition a drive if you let it [05:57] Will it give me the option to erase and reformat those disks ? [05:57] i am not sure what it does when you select that though since i have never had a completely empty drive to test with [05:58] yea [05:58] Which format is the best to use ? [05:58] imho ext3 since it seems to be most used is least likely to have problems [05:59] thanks ext3 it is then [05:59] i've seen data corruption with pretty much every fs out there [05:59] but since ext3 is widely used its most likely to have fewer bugs still not found yet ;) [05:59] ext3 is not the fastest fs by far [06:00]