=== rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [~matt@81-178-112-178.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [~mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [~judax@adsl-68-92-151-170.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:21] hey rob^, been busy huh, great work :) [04:21] rob^, one suggestion, if you use java 1.5 for the java section then the mozilla/firefox plugin will work [04:27] either way i think we also need to determine how gij and the jre might effect each other, i have seen issues arise when both are on a system together === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:57] yeah [04:58] at least we now have a method that doesnt rely on bad repos :) [04:58] I'll have another look at it [05:01] mgalvin, blackdown doesnt seem to have an installer for 1.5 yet [05:05] rob^, only sun has a working 1.5 implementation thus far [05:05] http://serios.net/content/debian/java/with-java-package.php [05:06] good page that [05:06] cool [05:12] once the apply the patch I just sent in, I'll update that java stuff [05:14] rob^ did you "apply" for commit access yet, if not you should [05:15] they are still getting around to adding an account for me [05:15] same here, still waiting on mine too [05:26] l8r === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-120.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:09] has anyone applied my patch I sent eariler yet? [06:10] ^earlier === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@218.208.196.7] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [~judax@adsl-68-92-151-170.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [~sean@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:57] morning [08:01] morning, did you get my patch [08:01] yes I just applied it [08:01] ty [08:01] np [08:03] in sources.list. If installation is done over network what will [08:03] deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted [08:03] be [08:05] well that line points to your cd for a start [08:05] yes but what if I instaled from network [08:05] just edit out that line and enable the other repos [08:05] FTP, TFTP [08:06] lets say I did not use a cd to install [08:06] what are you trying to make apt do? not use the cd at all [08:06] I created a bootdisk and selected to install from a network resource [08:06] yes [08:06] not trying to do anything [08:07] just trying to write about it [08:07] oh [08:07] in breezy we are supposed to have network installation [08:07] I would assume that there wouldn't be a line like that at all [08:07] so if user installs form NFS or TFP what will the line say [08:07] there should be [08:08] because there are many packages on the network share [08:08] all the packages should be contained on what ever repo you installed from [08:08] or network share [08:08] its just like copying the cd to a disk and exporting it using nfs [08:09] hmm [08:09] not sure, dont do to many installs like that === Burgundavia [~ubuntu@S01060040f4442ef1.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:46] salut all [08:46] I love live cds [08:46] no more XP for me [08:47] XP you been on XP all this time [08:47] no [08:47] see planet.ubuntu [08:48] see planet.ubuntu0 [08:48] hmm [08:48] right [08:48] I run Breezy at home [08:51] Burgundavia: Ha ha when you gonna write to the docs? [08:52] when I get commit access [08:52] I havent been able to catch elmo again [08:53] did you send elmo your key again [08:53] I did [08:53] I think you need to send enrico you new key and let him do it [08:54] ok [08:54] once I get my machine booted at home I will do it [08:55] moving my gf this weekend, should be fun [09:06] all right, night [09:07] night [09:44] rob^: patches applied :-) thanks [09:45] bbl school run === FLeiXiuS [~fleixius@pcp0010487351pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Liz [~Liz@static-203-87-81-158.nsw.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [~froud@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:12] greetings froud [11:12] ello Liz [11:12] all good dwn there [11:12] morning everyone [11:13] morn, its near afternoon, you just woke up? [11:18] not entirely [11:18] its 10 o clock here but I've been up for a while [11:20] its nearly 7.20pm here [11:21] sorry, got distracted by themovie [11:21] lilo and stitch..heh [11:28] awesome work on the faqguide rob^ [11:43] mdke, thanks [11:47] bbtomorrow === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:38] morning everyone :) [02:38] morn dude [02:38] has anyone tried web-min on Ubuntu? [02:38] its probablly afternoon for you froud? [02:39] any suggestions other than web-min [02:39] you have to enable root before you can use webmin [02:39] yep noon [02:39] webmin requires a first sign on to be root and from localhost not from another box [02:40] so when i install it on my server w/o X installed i have to use lynx to sign on and allow other ip addresses [02:40] you cant login using the browser on another host? [02:41] or use ACLs [02:41] i'm not a webmin expert i just know when it is installed the first time it only accepts connections localy [02:42] Hmm, so you ssh in login with Lynx allow another IP-address rights then use that hosts web browser? [02:42] yes [02:42] why dont you just leave your hosts IP addres allowed? [02:43] or wont it allow the login despite knowing the IP address [02:43] hold on just setup a debian box checking how i did [02:44] just did an apt-get install webmin on a debian (sarge) box [02:45] and it setups webmin as only allow from listed addresses [02:45] and the listed addresses are 127.0.0.1 [02:45] yes [02:45] add your host to th elist and you should be able to access from that hosts web browser and logon [02:46] correct thats swhat i do [02:46] of course you need apache to make it available [02:46] and you can always secure the url with authentication [02:47] correct [02:47] so the user needs to logon twice [02:47] but w/ webmin under ubuntu you need to enable root first [02:47] jjesse: yes I expect it wont know what to do with sudo [02:48] jjesse: have you tried any other tools like webmin [02:48] jjesse: do any of them understand sudo [02:48] froud i haven't had a chance to really [02:48] :-) do what you know, no time for experiments :) [02:49] well i do experiment w/ lots of stuff, just haven't branched out from webmin [02:56] ls [02:56] doh wrong window :) === gtaylor [~gtaylor@130-127-67-44.lehotsky.clemson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === gtaylor [~gtaylor@130-127-67-44.lehotsky.clemson.edu] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Kopete] === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@info2-77.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:05] salut === jsgotangco curses his broken laptop [06:06] what's been happening lately in ubuntu-doc? [06:08] hey dude [06:09] :) [06:09] mdke: you doing good? [06:09] yes i'm ok [06:09] you? [06:09] well my laptop got busted today [06:10] bad news [06:10] i got myself a loaner but its running XP heh [06:10] guess you need a new one eh? [06:10] well Taiwan-made laptops really dont last long [06:10] haha [06:10] despite their great specs [06:10] well fingers crossed on getting one off Canonical [06:11] hehe i thought they gave those already? [06:11] dunno [06:11] not to me! [06:11] you neither huh? [06:12] i don't think they've given em tbh [06:12] ahhh [06:12] jeezz xp fonts are really nice === mdke slaps jsgotangco [06:13] i tried running mIRC and i couldnt understand a thing [06:13] so i just downloaded gaim for win [06:14] good call [06:15] actually i dumped all the free software i can get for windows [06:15] :) [06:15] the open cd? [06:15] the only non-free on this laptop is xp itself and PowerDVD [06:16] yeah, open cd and some more [06:16] when I installed XP on my laptop recently I found some cool free stuff [06:16] clamwin [06:16] hahaha === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@info2-77.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:17] haha [06:17] hahaha [06:17] anyhow as i was saying [06:17] pretty dumb exit key [06:17] clamwin [06:18] also some cool putty based scp stuff [06:18] hmm i have PuTTY [06:18] AbiWord [06:18] 7-zip [06:18] even whois for windows ;) [06:18] its really nice [06:18] ooohh [06:19] hmmm what's SILC? [06:20] no idea === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@info2-77.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:21] JEEZZ [06:21] ;) [06:21] the close button really closes gaim DUH [06:22] windows is intuitive like that [06:22] oh i see what you mean [06:22] instead of minimising it? [06:22] yeah [06:22] really dumb for an IM [06:24] grrr local politics here really suck [06:24] we don't deserve a democracy :) [06:24] they suck everywhere [06:25] i have to go out, supermarket [06:25] later mate [06:25] later [06:25] i gotta sleep too [06:25] (12:25AM) === boglot [chaas@gw.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [~sean@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@info2-77.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:36] froud: hey what's up buddy [07:41] oh well maybe later, good night anways its almost 2am === judax [~judax@adsl-68-92-151-170.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Soneras [~chris@p50883DDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:47] huhu, froud, you there? [07:49] Soneras: hi [07:50] ah, hi [07:50] some questions [07:50] sure [07:51] when I do a change (like now with the screenshots) and do an svn up before I make the diff, wouldn't that overwrite my changes? === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:52] no [07:52] svn up will merge changes into the xml instance [07:52] this way you can chck for C (conflict) [07:53] I am working in the Kubuntu System Settings section at present so, so long as you stay clear of that section we should not conflict [07:53] ok, next one (wasn't clear to me yesterday): when I send my changes as a diff to you. can I keep working with my current xml before my patch goes into svn and then send you more changes (including the previous ones) and that would be ok? [07:53] so hack the src and trust svn [07:54] (haven't worked with any versioning system, thus the questions) [07:54] better to finish your work session then patch [07:54] wait for commit [07:54] and svn up again before new session [07:54] ok, thought small patches were better [07:55] yes but when making changes of the nature you are doing now, the fewer the better [07:55] however, if you are writing sections it is a good idea to patch small [07:56] hmm. yes, that's why I ask . I'm finished with the layout shifting stuff and do consider o write a bit (if that's ok) [07:56] sooo: when I change the actual docs (write some stuff, not just layout changes) you will review this (the english, writing layout) when I send you the patch? So I can basically edit, where I see fit? Adding some stuff, like more manual links and some more explanaitions (like kjobviewer and other one-sentence paragraphs). [07:56] sure [07:56] (sorry for the many questions) [07:57] no questions are good [07:57] just go ahead, scratch any itches you have and I will help [07:58] Soneras: a few others work on kubuntu here. they are jjesse judax gtaylor mgalvin [07:59] oh good, more people to annoy with questions ^^ [07:59] hehe [08:00] grin i only use kubuntu [08:00] btw intereseting discussion on slashdot on the announcement about the ubuntu foundation [08:00] something kubuntu related? :D [08:00] url [08:01] Kubuntu rocks! [08:01] lol [08:01] hey, I like this channel [08:01] http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/08/1240241&tid=163 [08:01] konqueror your desktop with konqi [08:02] sometimes we have kde vs. footprint wars ;-) [08:02] hehe, I have been spending some time in 'footprint' lately [08:02] gasp on purpose? [08:03] well, as long as they are less ugly as they get on slashdot sometimes... ;) [08:03] sabdfl is going for mass adoption now [08:03] yeah, just messing around, but I can't handle naut at all so I am not there long [08:03] critical mass that's how foss works [08:04] yeah, nautiluts (even the browser mode) is somewhat lacking, isn't it? === judax agrees [08:06] froud: send you a patch - only the small layout changes. maybe I'll do some writing now (and the doc links). only system-settings is a no go at this time? [08:07] i feel so far behind in my contributions to the kuserguide :( [08:08] froud: are the kubuntu doc deb packages worked out yet? [08:08] Soneras: yes, leave that section [08:08] judax: yes, form tomorrow the name of the package is settled [08:09] judax: we will be using kubuntu-docs_5.10-0.1 kubuntu-docs_5.10-0.2 kubuntu-docs_5.10-0.3 etc [08:09] judax: then on release the number beocmes kubuntu-docs_5.10-1.0 [08:09] judax: over the weekend kubuntu-docs is getting uploaded so we have a footprint in th edistro [08:10] froud: ok, are they hosted at http://lnix.net/~froud? [08:10] are you putting po files in the upload package? [08:10] judax: yes, each night, providing there are changes, there is an update of that url and the package is built [08:10] mdke: no not yet [08:10] ah ok good [08:11] mdke: thought we do that as per release schedule [08:11] :) [08:11] right? [08:11] froud: ok, cool [08:11] i agree yeah [08:11] jjesse: yes you are way behind dude === judax needs to rip out his manual kubuntu doc install for khelpcenter now === froud pinches jjesse [08:12] grin thanks froud i know i'm way way behind [08:12] everyone else is writing so much more then me [08:12] jjesse: my stratergy is to write one section a day [08:12] jjesse: if I can do more I do [08:12] jjesse: I need to finish doc specs and do some writing too, been busy with work lately [08:13] judax: content in the docs take priority IMHO [08:13] specs, nice to have [08:14] froud any response on the whole kynaptic vs apt-get vs kapture debate? [08:14] froud: agreed === jjesse doesn't subscribe to kubuntu-devel [08:14] jjesse: no, but as I learn things or notice them I add authorblurbs [08:14] these are displayed in the reports === mgalvin [~mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:15] so if these is a change or I think something needs note I mention it [08:15] speak of the devil [08:15] here's mgalvin [08:15] howdy [08:15] nearly all the Kubuntu team here tonight [08:15] whats up [08:16] we're just discussing kubuntu docs [08:16] mgalvin: news is that kubuntu-docs_5.10_0.1_all.deb will be uploaded this weekend [08:17] so we have a footprint in the daily builds [08:17] cool [08:17] mgalvin: hows work [08:17] stuf working, getting funding [08:19] jjesse: its good to authorblurb if you find or learn something [08:20] is everybody cool with the way Kubuntu docs is working at present? [08:21] yes i am cool :) [08:21] yeah [08:21] froud are you cool? [08:21] were you referencing something more specific? [08:22] yeah, I just tend to move ahead and forget that others are lost [08:22] so just making sure [08:22] I think the main thing to focus on now is the content [08:22] outlines are there, make system and packaging system [08:22] oh and preview system [08:22] froud, funding? for what [08:23] I will certainly ask if I get too lost [08:23] mgalvin: never mind :-) r you cool with the way kubuntu-docs is going [08:23] funding? [08:23] mdke: never mind [08:24] too late for that now [08:24] geeze mention money and everybody is here === mdke nods [08:24] froud said he was funding new laptops for the doc team [08:24] i just didn't know what you meant, i don't work where funding is needed [08:24] mgalvin: no matter [08:25] yes, i'm cool with how kubuntu-docs is going :) [08:25] ok [08:25] froud, its unusual of you to mention something then say "oh never mind" as if something secret is going on [08:25] its normal that people are gonna ask [08:25] lol [08:26] do the ppl working on kubuntu think that they can each contribute one sect a day between now and string freeze [08:27] when is string freeze? === judax ponders that a moment [08:28] that sounds resonable... what about the ubuntu docs (gnome focused)? since i use ubuntu, i will be contributing more of that content [08:29] my issue will be that fact that I will be going on a 2-week vacation starting 7/16 and will be traveling [08:29] mgalvin, no strict rules about contributions on the ubuntu docs to my knowledge [08:31] judax: ok can you do what you can? [08:31] froud: you bet [08:31] mdke: when is string freeze again? [08:31] judax: just take one section a day and write it [08:32] 7th september iirc [08:32] judax: big or small [08:34] svn commit access, argh :) [08:34] mgalvin, we've been bugging elmo, also I asked henrik to bug him about it [08:35] jjesse: can you do a section a day? === mdke cracks whip [08:36] i will try my hardest [08:37] just for the record these are not strict rules [08:37] just trying to get momentum on the work [08:37] I find that if I do a section a day that it soon amounts to lots of work [08:38] and the work becomes fun [08:38] if I leave it then I find it hard to get started and going is slwo [08:38] think it may be the same of others [08:38] i thought work got fun when you got paid for it :P [08:39] you want to get paid? [08:39] grin nope just joking :) [08:39] what country are you in again? [08:39] us :) [08:39] Ah yes [08:40] i'm joking about getting paid to docs, trying be a smartass [08:40] I know [08:43] froud: sorry had to attend to work, I will try [08:43] OK [08:44] just do your best [08:44] i figure if we each do a section a day that soon we will have completed a whole chunk of the work [08:44] and we can start improving and tweaking [08:45] splitting hairs and all that stuff [08:45] one of our best storage architects just resigned, trying to put out fires [08:45] yeah [08:45] fires are nasty [08:46] daily seems like [08:46] judax: your in the us also right? [08:47] yes, austin, texas [08:47] and where is jjesse ? [08:49] k [08:49] Im back to work [08:49] ok [09:58] ok i have wangled some webspace for ubuntu preview and status docs [09:58] thanks go to tseng [09:58] cool [09:59] will build, upload and email later [10:00] bbl [10:17] i don't get it, all of my network speeds to ubuntu servers are at less then 5k/s, its taking forever to check out ubuntu-doc [10:18] you still on breezy? [10:18] i just tried downloading the fedora iso to see if it me, i get 800k/s to their servers [10:18] yes [10:18] on breezy [10:19] hmm I just did a deb build, it svn co from canonical at good spead [10:19] speed [10:20] maybe a bad link btwn new york and your side of the globe [10:20] I'm in co.za [10:20] my traffic goes via new york [10:21] hmm [10:22] za goes thru the us, i didn't know that [10:22] yeah, depends on your ISP [10:23] connects quite well here afaics [10:23] mdke: the server is right next door to you ;-) [10:24] mdke: cool on the web space [10:24] true and yeah [10:24] beats waiting for people [10:24] :-) [10:24] agreed [10:24] lemme know if you need help with anything [10:24] i was already thinking of something ;) [10:25] i need to edit some files to include the gentoo address for the stylesheets [10:25] I am mostly focusing on Kubuntu, but I dont want to see Ubuntu suffer for no good reason [10:25] can you tell me which files I need to edit? [10:25] the xsl's in libs/ [10:26] all of em? [10:26] no, just a sec lemme see [10:26] why you working on gentoo anyways [10:27] that thing is only good for servers [10:28] hmm i wouldnt run it on a server ;) [10:28] its fun to play with tho [10:28] no gentoo on server is good [10:28] right now my laptop is at the menders [10:28] it will be back next week but right now i need to use gentoo [10:29] ok looks like jeffsch has the make system for ubuntu working from gnome/Makefile [10:29] in Makefile you need to change [10:29] else [10:29] # SuSE [10:29] NWDBXSL=/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/docbook.xsl [10:29] endif [10:29] you adapted the stylesheet address for suse too right? I could just add it underneath [10:30] no you need to replace [10:30] or do an elseif [10:30] just replace [10:30] ok [10:31] then see gnome/libs/gnome-ubuntu.xsl [10:31] change the import [10:31] [10:32] do you build styleguide? [10:32] i'll build anything [10:32] then do the same in libs/style-guide-html.xsl [10:32]