[04:21] <mgalvin> hey rob^, been busy huh, great work :)
[04:21] <mgalvin> rob^, one suggestion, if you use java 1.5 for the java section then the mozilla/firefox plugin will work
[04:27] <mgalvin> either way i think we also need to determine how gij and the jre might effect each other, i have seen issues arise when both are on a system together
[04:57] <rob^> yeah
[04:58] <rob^> at least we now have a method that doesnt rely on bad repos :)
[04:58] <rob^> I'll have another look at it
[05:01] <rob^> mgalvin, blackdown doesnt seem to have an installer for 1.5 yet
[05:05] <mgalvin> rob^, only sun has a working 1.5 implementation thus far
[05:05] <rob^> http://serios.net/content/debian/java/with-java-package.php
[05:06] <rob^> good page that
[05:06] <mgalvin> cool
[05:12] <rob^> once the apply the patch I just sent in, I'll update that java stuff
[05:14] <mgalvin> rob^ did you "apply" for commit access yet, if not you should
[05:15] <rob^> they are still getting around to adding an account for me
[05:15] <mgalvin> same here, still waiting on mine too
[05:26] <mgalvin> l8r
[06:09] <rob^> has anyone applied my patch I sent eariler yet?
[06:10] <rob^> ^earlier
[07:57] <froud> morning
[08:01] <rob^> morning, did you get my patch
[08:01] <froud> yes I just applied it
[08:01] <rob^> ty
[08:01] <froud> np
[08:03] <froud> in sources.list. If installation is done over network what will 
[08:03] <froud> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[08:03] <froud> be
[08:05] <rob^> well that line points to your cd for a start
[08:05] <froud> yes but what if I instaled from network
[08:05] <rob^> just edit out that line and enable the other repos
[08:05] <froud> FTP, TFTP
[08:06] <froud> lets say I did not use a cd to install
[08:06] <rob^> what are you trying to make apt do? not use the cd at all
[08:06] <froud> I created a bootdisk and selected to install from a network resource
[08:06] <rob^> yes
[08:06] <froud> not trying to do anything
[08:07] <froud> just trying to write about it
[08:07] <rob^> oh
[08:07] <froud> in breezy we are supposed to have network installation
[08:07] <rob^> I would assume that there wouldn't be a line like that at all
[08:07] <froud> so if user installs form NFS or TFP what will the line say
[08:07] <froud> there should be
[08:08] <froud> because there are many packages on the network share
[08:08] <rob^> all the packages should be contained on what ever repo you installed from
[08:08] <rob^> or network share
[08:08] <froud> its just like copying the cd to a disk and exporting it using nfs
[08:09] <rob^> hmm
[08:09] <rob^> not sure, dont do to many installs like that
[08:46] <Burgundavia> salut all
[08:46] <Burgundavia> I love live cds
[08:46] <Burgundavia> no more XP for me
[08:47] <froud> XP you been on XP all this time
[08:47] <Burgundavia> no
[08:47] <Burgundavia> see planet.ubuntu
[08:48] <Burgundavia> see planet.ubuntu0
[08:48] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:48] <Burgundavia> right
[08:48] <Burgundavia> I run Breezy at home
[08:51] <froud> Burgundavia:  Ha ha when you gonna write to the docs?
[08:52] <Burgundavia> when I get commit access
[08:52] <Burgundavia> I havent been able to catch elmo again
[08:53] <froud> did you send elmo your key again
[08:53] <Burgundavia> I did
[08:53] <froud> I think you need to send enrico you new key and let him do it
[08:54] <Burgundavia> ok
[08:54] <Burgundavia> once I get my machine booted at home I will do it
[08:55] <Burgundavia> moving my gf this weekend, should be fun
[09:06] <Burgundavia> all right, night
[09:07] <froud> night
[09:44] <froud> rob^: patches applied :-) thanks
[09:45] <froud> bbl school run
[11:12] <Liz> greetings froud
[11:12] <froud> ello Liz
[11:12] <froud> all good dwn there
[11:12] <mdke_> morning everyone
[11:13] <froud> morn, its near afternoon, you just woke up?
[11:18] <mdke_> not entirely
[11:18] <mdke_> its 10 o clock here but I've been up for a while
[11:20] <Liz> its nearly 7.20pm here
[11:21] <Liz> sorry, got distracted by themovie
[11:21] <Liz> lilo and stitch..heh
[11:28] <mdke_> awesome work on the faqguide rob^ 
[11:43] <rob^> mdke, thanks
[11:47] <Liz> bbtomorrow
[02:38] <jjesse> morning everyone :)
[02:38] <froud-work> morn dude
[02:38] <froud-work> has anyone tried web-min on Ubuntu?
[02:38] <jjesse> its probablly afternoon for you froud?
[02:39] <froud-work> any suggestions other than web-min
[02:39] <jjesse> you have to enable root before you can use webmin
[02:39] <froud-work> yep noon
[02:39] <jjesse> webmin requires a first sign on to be root and from localhost not from another box
[02:40] <jjesse> so when i install it on my server w/o X installed i have to use lynx to sign on and allow other ip addresses
[02:40] <froud-work> you cant login using the browser on another host?
[02:41] <froud-work> or use ACLs
[02:41] <jjesse> i'm not a webmin expert i just know when it is installed the first time it only accepts connections localy
[02:42] <froud-work> Hmm, so you ssh in login with Lynx allow another IP-address rights then use that hosts web browser?
[02:42] <jjesse> yes
[02:42] <froud-work> why dont you just leave your hosts IP addres allowed?
[02:43] <froud-work> or wont it allow the login despite knowing the IP address
[02:43] <jjesse> hold on just setup a debian box checking how i did
[02:44] <jjesse> just did an apt-get install webmin on a debian (sarge) box
[02:45] <jjesse> and it setups webmin as only allow from listed addresses
[02:45] <jjesse> and the listed addresses are 127.0.0.1
[02:45] <froud-work> yes
[02:45] <froud-work> add your host to th elist and you should be able to access from that hosts web browser and logon 
[02:46] <jjesse> correct thats swhat i do
[02:46] <froud-work> of course you need apache to make it available
[02:46] <froud-work> and you can always secure the url with authentication
[02:47] <jjesse> correct
[02:47] <froud-work> so the user needs to logon twice
[02:47] <jjesse> but w/ webmin under ubuntu you need to enable root first
[02:47] <froud-work> jjesse: yes I expect it wont know what to do with sudo
[02:48] <froud-work> jjesse: have you tried any other tools like webmin
[02:48] <froud-work> jjesse: do any of them understand sudo
[02:48] <jjesse> froud i haven't had a chance to really
[02:48] <froud-work> :-) do what you know, no time for experiments :)
[02:49] <jjesse> well i do experiment w/ lots of stuff, just haven't branched out from webmin
[02:56] <jjesse> ls
[02:56] <jjesse> doh wrong window :)
[06:05] <jsgotangco> salut
[06:06] <jsgotangco> what's been happening lately in ubuntu-doc?
[06:08] <mdke> hey dude
[06:09] <mdke> :)
[06:09] <jsgotangco> mdke: you doing good?
[06:09] <mdke> yes i'm ok
[06:09] <mdke> you?
[06:09] <jsgotangco> well my laptop got busted today
[06:10] <mdke> bad news
[06:10] <jsgotangco> i got myself a loaner but its running XP heh
[06:10] <mdke> guess you need a new one eh?
[06:10] <jsgotangco> well Taiwan-made laptops really dont last long
[06:10] <mdke> haha
[06:10] <jsgotangco> despite their great specs
[06:10] <mdke> well fingers crossed on getting one off Canonical
[06:11] <jsgotangco> hehe i thought they gave those already?
[06:11] <mdke> dunno
[06:11] <mdke> not to me!
[06:11] <mdke> you neither huh?
[06:12] <mdke> i don't think they've given em tbh
[06:12] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[06:12] <jsgotangco> jeezz xp fonts are really nice
[06:13] <jsgotangco> i tried running mIRC and i couldnt understand a thing
[06:13] <jsgotangco> so i just downloaded gaim for win
[06:14] <mdke> good call
[06:15] <jsgotangco> actually i dumped all the free software i can get for windows
[06:15] <mdke> :)
[06:15] <mdke> the open cd?
[06:15] <jsgotangco> the only non-free on this laptop is xp itself and PowerDVD
[06:16] <jsgotangco> yeah, open cd and some more
[06:16] <mdke> when I installed XP on my laptop recently I found some cool free stuff
[06:16] <mdke> clamwin
[06:16] <mdke> hahaha
[06:17] <jsgotangco> haha
[06:17] <mdke> hahaha
[06:17] <mdke> anyhow as i was saying
[06:17] <jsgotangco> pretty dumb exit key
[06:17] <mdke> clamwin
[06:18] <mdke> also some cool putty based scp stuff
[06:18] <jsgotangco> hmm i have PuTTY
[06:18] <jsgotangco> AbiWord
[06:18] <jsgotangco> 7-zip
[06:18] <mdke> even whois for windows ;)
[06:18] <jsgotangco> its really nice
[06:18] <jsgotangco> ooohh
[06:19] <jsgotangco> hmmm what's SILC?
[06:20] <mdke> no idea
[06:21] <jsgotangco> JEEZZ
[06:21] <mdke> ;)
[06:21] <jsgotangco> the close button really closes gaim DUH
[06:22] <mdke> windows is intuitive like that
[06:22] <mdke> oh i see what you mean
[06:22] <mdke> instead of minimising it?
[06:22] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:22] <jsgotangco> really dumb for an IM
[06:24] <jsgotangco> grrr local politics here really suck
[06:24] <jsgotangco> we don't deserve a democracy :)
[06:24] <mdke> they suck everywhere
[06:25] <mdke> i have to go out, supermarket
[06:25] <mdke> later mate
[06:25] <jsgotangco> later
[06:25] <jsgotangco> i gotta sleep too
[06:25] <jsgotangco> (12:25AM)
[07:36] <jsgotangco> froud: hey what's up buddy
[07:41] <jsgotangco> oh well maybe later, good night anways its almost 2am
[07:47] <Soneras> huhu, froud, you there?
[07:49] <froud> Soneras: hi
[07:50] <Soneras> ah, hi
[07:50] <Soneras> some questions
[07:50] <froud> sure
[07:51] <Soneras> when I do a change (like now with the screenshots) and do an svn up before I make the diff, wouldn't that overwrite my changes?
[07:52] <froud> no
[07:52] <froud> svn up will merge changes into the xml instance
[07:52] <froud> this way you can chck for C (conflict)
[07:53] <froud> I am working in the Kubuntu System Settings section at present so, so long as you stay clear of that section we should not conflict
[07:53] <Soneras> ok, next one (wasn't clear to me yesterday): when I send my changes as a diff to you. can I keep working with my current xml before my patch goes into svn and then send you more changes (including the previous ones)  and that would be ok?
[07:53] <froud> so hack the src and trust svn
[07:54] <Soneras> (haven't worked with any versioning system, thus the questions)
[07:54] <froud> better to finish your work session then patch
[07:54] <froud> wait for commit
[07:54] <froud> and svn up again before new session
[07:54] <Soneras> ok, thought small patches were better
[07:55] <froud> yes but when making changes of the nature you are doing now, the fewer the better
[07:55] <froud> however, if you are writing sections it is a good idea to patch small
[07:56] <Soneras> hmm. yes, that's why I ask . I'm finished with the layout shifting stuff and do consider o write a bit (if that's ok)
[07:56] <Soneras> sooo: when I change the actual docs (write some stuff, not just layout changes) you will review this (the english, writing layout) when I send you the patch? So I can basically edit, where I see fit? Adding some stuff, like more manual links and some more explanaitions (like kjobviewer and other one-sentence paragraphs).
[07:56] <froud> sure
[07:56] <Soneras> (sorry for the many questions)
[07:57] <froud> no questions are good
[07:57] <froud> just go ahead, scratch any itches you have and I will help
[07:58] <froud> Soneras: a few others work on kubuntu here. they are jjesse judax gtaylor mgalvin
[07:59] <Soneras> oh good, more people to annoy with questions ^^
[07:59] <froud> hehe
[08:00] <jjesse> grin i only use kubuntu
[08:00] <jjesse> btw intereseting discussion on slashdot on the announcement about the ubuntu foundation
[08:00] <Soneras> something kubuntu related? :D
[08:00] <froud> url
[08:01] <judax> Kubuntu rocks!
[08:01] <froud> lol
[08:01] <Soneras> hey, I like this channel
[08:01] <jjesse> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/08/1240241&tid=163
[08:01] <froud> konqueror your desktop with konqi
[08:02] <froud> sometimes we have kde vs. footprint wars ;-)
[08:02] <judax> hehe, I have been spending some time in 'footprint' lately
[08:02] <jjesse> gasp on purpose?
[08:03] <Soneras> well, as long as they are less ugly as they get on slashdot sometimes... ;)
[08:03] <froud> sabdfl is going for mass adoption now
[08:03] <judax> yeah, just messing around, but I can't handle naut at all so I am not there long
[08:03] <froud> critical mass that's how foss works
[08:04] <Soneras> yeah, nautiluts (even the browser mode) is somewhat lacking, isn't it?
[08:06] <Soneras> froud: send you a patch - only the small layout changes. maybe I'll do some writing now (and the doc links). only system-settings is a no go at this time?
[08:07] <jjesse> i feel so far behind in my contributions to the kuserguide :(
[08:08] <judax> froud: are the kubuntu doc deb packages worked out yet?
[08:08] <froud> Soneras: yes, leave that section
[08:08] <froud> judax: yes, form tomorrow the name of the package is settled
[08:09] <froud> judax: we will be using kubuntu-docs_5.10-0.1 kubuntu-docs_5.10-0.2 kubuntu-docs_5.10-0.3 etc
[08:09] <froud> judax: then on release the number beocmes kubuntu-docs_5.10-1.0
[08:09] <froud> judax: over the weekend kubuntu-docs is getting uploaded so we have a footprint in th edistro
[08:10] <judax> froud: ok, are they hosted at http://lnix.net/~froud?
[08:10] <mdke> are you putting po files in the upload package?
[08:10] <froud> judax: yes, each night, providing there are changes, there is an update of that url and the package is built
[08:10] <froud> mdke: no not yet
[08:10] <mdke> ah ok good
[08:11] <froud> mdke: thought we do that as per release schedule
[08:11] <mdke> :)
[08:11] <froud> right?
[08:11] <judax> froud: ok, cool
[08:11] <mdke> i agree yeah
[08:11] <froud> jjesse: yes you are way behind dude
[08:12] <jjesse> grin thanks froud i know i'm way way behind
[08:12] <jjesse> everyone else is writing so much more then me
[08:12] <froud> jjesse: my stratergy is to write one section a day
[08:12] <froud> jjesse: if I can do more I do
[08:12] <judax> jjesse: I need to finish doc specs and do some writing too, been busy with work lately
[08:13] <froud> judax: content in the docs take priority IMHO
[08:13] <froud> specs, nice to have
[08:14] <jjesse> froud any response on the whole kynaptic vs apt-get vs kapture debate?
[08:14] <judax> froud: agreed
[08:14] <froud> jjesse: no, but as I learn things or notice them I add authorblurbs
[08:14] <froud> these are displayed in the reports
[08:15] <froud> so if these is a change or I think something needs note I mention it
[08:15] <froud> speak of the devil
[08:15] <froud> here's mgalvin 
[08:15] <mgalvin> howdy
[08:15] <froud> nearly all the Kubuntu team here tonight
[08:15] <mgalvin> whats up
[08:16] <froud> we're just discussing kubuntu docs
[08:16] <froud> mgalvin: news is that kubuntu-docs_5.10_0.1_all.deb will be uploaded this weekend
[08:17] <froud> so we have a footprint in the daily builds
[08:17] <mgalvin> cool
[08:17] <froud> mgalvin: hows work
[08:17] <froud> stuf working, getting funding
[08:19] <froud> jjesse: its good to authorblurb if you find or learn something
[08:20] <froud> is everybody cool with the way Kubuntu docs is working at present?
[08:21] <jjesse> yes i am cool :)
[08:21] <judax> yeah
[08:21] <jjesse> froud are you cool?
[08:21] <judax> were you referencing something more specific?
[08:22] <froud> yeah, I just tend to move ahead and forget that others are lost
[08:22] <froud> so just making sure
[08:22] <froud> I think the main thing to focus on now is the content
[08:22] <froud> outlines are there, make system and packaging system
[08:22] <froud> oh and preview system
[08:22] <mgalvin> froud, funding? for what
[08:23] <judax> I will certainly ask if I get too lost
[08:23] <froud> mgalvin: never mind :-) r you cool with the way kubuntu-docs is going
[08:23] <mdke> funding?
[08:23] <froud> mdke: never mind
[08:24] <mdke> too late for that now
[08:24] <froud> geeze mention money and everybody is here
[08:24] <judax> froud said he was funding new laptops for the doc team
[08:24] <mgalvin> i just didn't know what you meant, i don't work where funding is needed
[08:24] <froud> mgalvin: no matter
[08:25] <mgalvin> yes, i'm cool with how kubuntu-docs is going :)
[08:25] <froud> ok
[08:25] <mdke> froud, its unusual of you to mention something then say "oh never mind" as if something secret is going on
[08:25] <mdke> its normal that people are gonna ask
[08:25] <froud> lol
[08:26] <froud> do the ppl working on kubuntu think that they can each contribute one sect a day between now and string freeze
[08:27] <jjesse> when is string freeze?
[08:28] <mgalvin> that sounds resonable... what about the ubuntu docs (gnome focused)? since i use ubuntu, i will be contributing more of that content
[08:29] <judax> my issue will be that fact that I will be going on a 2-week vacation starting 7/16 and will be traveling
[08:29] <mdke> mgalvin, no strict rules about contributions on the ubuntu docs to my knowledge
[08:31] <froud> judax: ok can you do what you can?
[08:31] <judax> froud: you bet
[08:31] <froud> mdke: when is string freeze again?
[08:31] <froud> judax: just take one section a day and write it
[08:32] <mdke> 7th september iirc
[08:32] <froud> judax: big or small
[08:34] <mgalvin> svn commit access, argh :)
[08:34] <mdke> mgalvin, we've been bugging elmo, also I asked henrik to bug him about it
[08:35] <froud> jjesse: can you do a section a day?
[08:36] <jjesse> i will try my hardest
[08:37] <froud> just for the record these are not strict rules
[08:37] <froud> just trying to get momentum on the work
[08:37] <froud> I find that if I do a section a day that it soon amounts to lots of work
[08:38] <froud> and the work becomes fun
[08:38] <froud> if I leave it then I find it hard to get started and going is slwo
[08:38] <froud> think it may be the same of others
[08:38] <jjesse> i thought work got fun when you got paid for it :P
[08:39] <froud> you want to get paid?
[08:39] <jjesse> grin nope just joking :)
[08:39] <froud> what country are you in again?
[08:39] <jjesse> us :)
[08:39] <froud> Ah yes
[08:40] <jjesse> i'm joking about getting paid to docs, trying be a smartass
[08:40] <froud> I know
[08:43] <judax> froud: sorry had to attend to work, I will try
[08:43] <froud> OK
[08:44] <froud> just do your best
[08:44] <froud> i figure if we each do a section a day that soon we will have completed a whole chunk of the work
[08:44] <froud> and we can start improving and tweaking
[08:45] <froud> splitting hairs and all that stuff
[08:45] <judax> one of our best storage architects just resigned, trying to put out fires
[08:45] <froud> yeah
[08:45] <froud> fires are nasty
[08:46] <judax> daily seems like
[08:46] <froud> judax: your in the us also right?
[08:47] <judax> yes, austin, texas
[08:47] <froud> and where is jjesse ?
[08:49] <froud> k
[08:49] <froud> Im back to work
[08:49] <judax> ok
[09:58] <mdke> ok i have wangled some webspace for ubuntu preview and status docs
[09:58] <mdke> thanks go to tseng
[09:58] <froud> cool
[09:59] <mdke> will build, upload and email later
[10:00] <mdke> bbl
[10:17] <mgalvin> i don't get it, all of my network speeds to ubuntu servers are at less then 5k/s, its taking forever to check out ubuntu-doc
[10:18] <froud> you still on breezy?
[10:18] <mgalvin> i just tried downloading the fedora iso to see if it me, i get 800k/s to their servers
[10:18] <mgalvin> yes
[10:18] <mgalvin> on breezy
[10:19] <froud> hmm I just did a deb build, it svn co from canonical at good spead
[10:19] <froud> speed
[10:20] <mgalvin> maybe a bad link btwn new york and your side of the globe
[10:20] <froud> I'm in co.za
[10:20] <froud> my traffic goes via new york
[10:21] <mgalvin> hmm
[10:22] <mgalvin> za goes thru the us, i didn't know that
[10:22] <froud> yeah, depends on your ISP
[10:23] <mdke> connects quite well here afaics
[10:23] <froud> mdke: the server is right next door to you ;-)
[10:24] <froud> mdke: cool on the web space
[10:24] <mdke> true and yeah
[10:24] <froud> beats waiting for people
[10:24] <froud> :-)
[10:24] <mdke> agreed
[10:24] <froud> lemme know if you need help with anything
[10:24] <mdke> i was already thinking of something ;)
[10:25] <mdke> i need to edit some files to include the gentoo address for the stylesheets
[10:25] <froud> I am mostly focusing on Kubuntu, but I dont want to see Ubuntu suffer for no good reason
[10:25] <mdke> can you tell me which files I need to edit?
[10:25] <froud> the xsl's in libs/
[10:26] <mdke> all of em?
[10:26] <froud> no, just a sec lemme see
[10:26] <froud> why you working on gentoo anyways
[10:27] <froud> that thing is only good for servers
[10:28] <mdke> hmm i wouldnt run it on a server ;)
[10:28] <mdke> its fun to play with tho
[10:28] <froud> no gentoo on server is good
[10:28] <mdke> right now my laptop is at the menders
[10:28] <mdke> it will be back next week but right now i need to use gentoo
[10:29] <froud> ok looks like jeffsch has the make system for ubuntu working from gnome/Makefile
[10:29] <froud> in Makefile you need to change 
[10:29] <froud> else
[10:29] <froud> # SuSE
[10:29] <froud> NWDBXSL=/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/docbook.xsl
[10:29] <froud> endif
[10:29] <mdke> you adapted the stylesheet address for suse too right? I could just add it underneath
[10:30] <froud> no you need to replace
[10:30] <froud> or do an elseif
[10:30] <froud> just replace
[10:30] <mdke> ok
[10:31] <froud> then see gnome/libs/gnome-ubuntu.xsl
[10:31] <froud> change the import
[10:31] <froud> <xsl:import href="/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/html/profile-chunk.xsl"/>
[10:32] <froud> do you build styleguide?
[10:32] <mdke> i'll build anything
[10:32] <froud> then do the same in libs/style-guide-html.xsl
[10:32] <mdke> right
[10:33] <froud> that's it I think
[10:33] <mdke> now i just need to find the right address
[10:33] <froud> address?
[10:33] <mdke> for gentoo stylesheets
[10:34] <froud> Ah should be under the same area
[10:34] <froud> but may use current/
[10:34] <froud> here somewhere /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/
[10:34] <mdke> /usr/share/sgml/docbook/xsl-stylesheets-1.68.1/html/profile-chunk.xsl
[10:34] <mdke> ??
[10:35] <froud> yes those are the old paths
[10:35] <froud> do you have the new ones
[10:35] <mdke> those are the only files called profile-chunk.xsl
[10:35] <froud> then gentoo still uses the old path
[10:35] <froud> cool
[10:36] <froud> Updated http://www.lnix.net/~froud/
[10:38] <jeffsch> http://mypage.uniserve.ca/~jeffsch/writing/styleguide/index.html
[10:38] <jeffsch> style guide previews
[10:38] <froud> cool jeffsch 
[10:38] <mdke> jeffsch, if you like I can put them on tseng's webspace, your call
[10:38] <jeffsch> doh! I just spent the morning setting it up...
[10:39] <jeffsch> but i will keep it for now
[10:39] <mdke> no problem if we leave it there
[10:39] <froud> he he
[10:39] <jeffsch> if my isp complains about traffice, then I will go to tseng
[10:39] <mdke> i'll just upload the gnome things then
[10:39] <froud> yep, good idea
[10:42] <mdke> hmm
[10:42] <mdke> some issues building
[10:42] <mdke> I get a lot of "No localization exists for "c" or "". Using default "en"." Is that bad?
[10:42] <mdke> by a lot, I mean a lot
[10:43] <mdke> (am doing make all)
[10:43] <froud> normal and wanted
[10:43] <froud> :-)
[10:43] <mdke> ah
[10:43] <mdke> it fails at about-ubuntu
[10:43] <mdke> i need to edit /libs/about-ubuntu-html-cust.xml i think
[10:45] <mdke> that one is built separately?
[10:52] <mdke> i edited that one, now "make all" has stopped at faqppc
[10:52] <mdke> Complete. Find outputs at ../build/gnome/faqppc/
[10:52] <mdke> (arg: 2) 
[10:52] <mdke> it wants me to tell it something?
[10:52] <froud> huh
[10:53] <mdke> i pressed return and it returned me to the prompt
[10:53] <mdke> dunno what that (arg: 2) means
[10:54] <froud> when it says that then it should be finished
[10:54] <mdke> ok it looked like it was finished
[10:55] <mdke> has it built status reports too?
[10:55] <jeffsch> mdke: are the files in build/gnome/gaqppc?
[10:55] <mdke> looks like it
[10:55] <froud> chaps I must call it a night
[10:56] <mdke> ok thanks for your help froud 
[10:56] <froud> mdke: nice one on the webspace
[10:56] <jeffsch> later dude
[10:56] <mgalvin> gnight froud
[10:56] <froud> jeffsch: nice one on the style guide
[10:56] <mdke> jeffsch, has "make all" updated the things in build/status for me?
[10:56] <jeffsch> hold on, i'll take a look at the makefile
[10:57] <froud> look forward to seeing ubuntu-docs_5.10-0.1_all.deb hitting the nightly builds
[10:57] <mdke> heh
[10:58] <mdke> i'm uploading
[10:58] <mdke> its 31MB so it will be a short while
[11:00] <froud> have you optimized
[11:01] <mdke> i haven't done anything
[11:08] <jeffsch> mdke: build/status is updated when you do make all
[11:08] <mdke> jeffsch, rock!
[11:08] <mdke> ok its nearly done uploading
[11:11] <mdke> jeffsch, now all we need to do is make a package ;)
[11:12] <mdke> what was that froud said about optimising?
[11:13] <jeffsch> i have no idea
[11:13] <mdke> must have been a way to make images smaller
[11:15] <mdke> http://tseng2.ath.cx/~ubuntu-doc/
[11:15] <mdke> i'll update the wiki
[11:17] <jeffsch> awesome man. and it works too!
[11:20] <mdke> :)
[11:20] <mdke> thanks for all your work on the build docs
[11:22] <jeffsch> anh, twernt nuthin :)
[11:22] <mdke> hmm
[11:22] <mdke> no faqguide status
[11:23] <jeffsch> faqguide status is not in makefile
[11:24] <jeffsch> hold on a sec, i'll add it.
[11:28] <jeffsch> mdke: add gnome/default.css to http://tseng2.ath.cx/~ubuntu-doc/
[11:33] <mdke> ok will do that
[11:35] <mdke> wiki page should be sorted now
[11:36] <jeffsch> ok. svn up and try "make status"
[11:37] <mdke> i ought to set up an rsync cron job to do some automatic upload
[11:37] <mdke> s
[11:38] <jeffsch> when you do, lemme know so i can copy it
[11:38] <jeffsch> i know nothing about that stuff
[11:39] <mdke> jeffsch, ok css is there
[11:40] <jeffsch> awesome
[11:40] <mdke> jeffsch, can we get default.css in build/gnome/?
[11:41] <mdke> actually maybe unnecessary
[11:41] <jeffsch> i have a default.css in my build/gnome
[11:42] <mdke> not me
[11:42] <mdke> i uploaded the whole folder
[11:43] <jeffsch> hmm... i must have put it there myself. I don't remember doing it, but that's not surprising!
[11:43] <mdke> ;)
[11:44] <jeffsch> oh wait! it's put there when you build the style guide, so if you didn't build the styleguide, then it won't be there
[11:44] <jeffsch> i can change that though, if you want, so that it always goes there
[11:45] <jeffsch> you can do it yourself if you want... see the lines
[11:46] <jeffsch> 	# copy style sheet to build directory
[11:46] <jeffsch> 	cp default.css ../build/gnome/default.css
[11:46] <jeffsch> in the makefile?
[11:48] <mdke> i will look
[11:48] <jeffsch> never mind... I'm testing it now...
[11:48] <mdke> i guess we will need it for the proper css when we build the final files
[11:48] <mdke> ok I am experimenting with rsync
[11:48] <mdke> doesn't look like it will work on tseng's server
[11:53] <mdke> jeffsch, here is a guide on how to do it though http://www.jdmz.net/ssh/
[12:00] <mdke> ah cool it works for tseng's server too