[12:09] <siretart> uniq: yes, note this on wiki.ubuntu.com/REVUDevelopment
[12:09] <uniq> will do. thanks.
[12:09] <siretart> sorry, I'm currently not available very well, I'm in an internet cafe with friends right now..
[12:10] <uniq> no problem, enjoy :)
[12:22] <pef> bye !
[12:26] <uniq> figured out the linda error.
[12:34] <comadreja> how do I setup my hoary to compile breezy packages without breaking the system ?
[12:34] <uniq> install pbuilder
[12:35] <uniq> or make a chroot with debootstrap and dchroot
[12:35] <comadreja> how do I use any ? howtos ? pointers ?
[12:35] <uniq> hang on.
[12:38] <uniq> comadreja: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[12:39] <comadreja> thanks uniq :)
[01:27] <comadreja> uniq: ping
[01:28] <uniq> pong.
[01:28] <comadreja> I get an error with pbuilder
[01:28] <comadreja> I: Configuring dpkg-dev...
[01:28] <comadreja> W: Failure while configuring base packages.  This will be attempted 5 times.
[01:29] <comadreja> ...
[01:29] <comadreja>  -> Aborting with an error
[01:29] <comadreja>  /usr/bin/apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:30] <uniq> force it from the shell; 'pbuilder login --save-after-login'
[01:30] <ogra> comadreja, did you follow the howto ?
[01:30] <comadreja> yep
[01:30] <uniq> if the base.tgz. is made at all.
[01:30] <ogra> and installed a hoary pbuildr first...
[01:30] <comadreja> it fails at pbuilder create
[01:31] <uniq> oh, you're trying to make a breezy build directly?
[01:31] <comadreja> I installed a breezy pbuilder
[01:31] <ogra> doesnt work
[01:31] <ogra> update a hoary pbuilder
[01:31] <comadreja> nopes, sorry breezy debootstrap
[01:31] <ogra> like the howto says :)
[01:31] <comadreja> hoary pbuilder
[01:32] <comadreja> then pbuilder create --distribution breezy
[01:32] <ogra> nope
[01:32] <ogra> look at the howto
[01:32] <ogra> it says how to build a hoary pbuilder and how to update that to breezy
[01:33] <comadreja> yes, I did, I think so
[01:33] <comadreja> I created the config, changed the hoary for breezy
[01:33] <ogra> you created it for hoary ?
[01:33] <comadreja> oh, nopes, I directly created the config for breezy
[01:33] <ogra> thats what i mean
[01:34] <comadreja> thanks, sorry :/
[01:46] <comadreja> now I get this trying to build gnome-terminal :
[01:47] <comadreja>  -> Considering  libvte-dev (>= 1:0.11.13)
[01:47] <comadreja>       Tried versions: 1:0.11.12-0ubuntu2
[01:47] <comadreja>    -> Does not satisfy version, not trying
[01:47] <comadreja> E: Could not satisfy build-dependency.
[01:47] <comadreja> E: pbuilder-satisfydepends failed.
[01:47] <uniq> did you update it to breezy?
[01:48] <comadreja> yep
[01:48] <comadreja> everything worked fine
[01:49] <comadreja> I'm trying to build breezy gnome-terminal
[01:49] <uniq> try another mirror then, i have libvte-dev 1:0.11.13-2ubuntu1 available in breezy.
[01:50] <uniq> how did you change sources.list in pbuilder?
[01:50] <comadreja> 1,$s/hoary/breezy
[01:51] <uniq> which file? and how did you get into the pbuilder base.tgz? pbuilder login --save-after-login ?
[01:51] <comadreja> I changed /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/sources.list
[01:52] <jamessan|laptop> you didn't read the howto very well, then.  it tells you exactly what to do
[01:52] <comadreja> sorry, maybe we're reading different howtos
[01:53] <comadreja> it has three lines regarding the change to breezy
[01:53] <comadreja> one is this
[01:53] <comadreja>  change all occurences of hoary in /etc/pbuilderrc and /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/ to breezy
[01:55] <uniq> I didn't read a howto, i did it from reading the manpage :)
[01:55] <comadreja> ok, sorry, I just did what the howto says
[01:55] <uniq> you started it with pbuilder --override-config then?
[01:55] <comadreja> and it doesn't seem to work, I'll fix the howto when I get how this works
[01:55] <ogra> comadreja, i did it too, and my pbuilder works
[01:55] <comadreja> yep
[01:56] <comadreja> ogra, I don't doubt it, but mine doesn't
[01:56] <uniq> comadreja: when you execute 'pbuilder update' does it say hoary or breezy?
[01:57] <comadreja> I didn't check, should I'll do it again ?
[01:57] <comadreja> it says Upgrading for distribution breezy
[01:58] <uniq> when downloading from the mirrors too?
[01:58] <comadreja> oh, I see the problem
[01:58] <comadreja> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/sed/sed_4.1.4-2_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[01:58] <uniq> ah.
[01:59] <uniq> change to archive.ubuntu.com :)
[01:59] <comadreja> also with libacl1_2
[01:59] <ogra> dont use the us mirror, its unstable :)
[01:59] <comadreja> ok, thanks
[01:59] <comadreja> that's not in the howto ;)
[01:59] <ogra> and if youre developing its better to use archive directly because the mirrors have a timeshift
[01:59] <tseng> we should probabyl not make that default in the installer
[02:00] <tseng> if no one is going to fix it
[02:00] <ogra> tseng, huh ?
[02:00] <ogra> us is the default in the installer anywhere ?
[02:00] <tseng> us mirror
[02:00] <comadreja> ogra yes
[02:00] <tseng> if you use us locale
[02:00] <ogra> ouch
[02:00] <comadreja> I used the installer
[02:00] <comadreja> and it was my default
[02:00] <ogra> thats bad
[02:00] <comadreja> that's in hoary...
[02:01] <uniq> it's like that in the most recent breezy too.
[02:01] <uniq> afaik.
[02:02] <ogra> hmm, so the mirror should be stabilized then ...
[02:03] <uniq> or us.archive should be redirected to archive. temporarily
[02:03] <uniq> as dns is often easier to change than fixing a broken mirror.
[02:09] <comadreja> ok, now I (supposedly) fixed a bug in gnome-terminal, how do I test the package ?
[02:10] <comadreja> it's built
[02:10] <schweeb> you install it
[02:10] <schweeb> and test it
[02:10] <comadreja> no dependency problems ?
[02:11] <uniq> it'll end up in /var/cache/pbuilder/result if you don't specify otherwise.
[02:11] <comadreja> yes, dependency problems
[02:11] <comadreja> I can't install it
[02:11] <schweeb> although, gnome-terminal is in main, so you'll have to submit a patch to the maillist or bugzilla, rather than having someone upload a package
[02:11] <schweeb> which branch are you running?
[02:12] <comadreja> sure, I'm just willing to check it. Hoary
[02:12] <schweeb> may just want to submit the bug, and have one of the main devs fix it and test it themselves
[02:12] <schweeb> if you're unwilling to go to breezy
[02:13] <comadreja> oh, it's an already submitted bug
[02:13] <schweeb> I know
[02:13] <comadreja> 1219, malone
[02:13] <schweeb> I would imagine so
[02:13] <schweeb> paste the text of the patch into the notes
[02:13] <schweeb> as a proposed fix
[02:13] <tseng> schweeb++
[02:13] <comadreja> how would I do that, if I don't even know if it works ?
[02:14] <schweeb> you could try to compile it against the libs on your running system
[02:14] <schweeb> but, the abi/apis have almost certainly changed
[02:14] <comadreja> doing, thanks
[02:14] <comadreja> damn...
[02:14] <schweeb> best option: upgrade to breezy :p
[02:15] <schweeb> kinda have to run the development branch if you plan on developing for it
[02:15] <tseng> schweeb: it rocks
[02:15] <comadreja> really, is it not dangerous ? but I work with my laptop on development too... It scares me a bit
[02:16] <schweeb> tseng: rocks is a relative term
[02:16] <tseng> ok, it rocks oo 1.1
[02:16] <schweeb> I've been running breezy on my laptop for about a month now
[02:16] <schweeb> works great
[02:16] <seth_k> I've been running breezy on laptop and desktop since Hoary+1
[02:16] <seth_k> no real worries
[02:16] <schweeb> kinda gotta stay plugged into the community to know what's known to be broken
[02:16] <comadreja> ok, I'll make you responsible ;P
[02:16] <seth_k> 2.6.12 kernel still not working on desktop though
[02:17] <tseng> make yourself responsible
[02:17] <schweeb> lemme guess - you need the linux-restricted-modules package, seth_k ?
[02:17] <uniq> i use the 2.6.12 kernel.. works great :)
[02:17] <comadreja> tseng, it was a joke, as just you could have imagined
[02:17] <schweeb> same here
[02:17] <seth_k> schweeb: no. My system clock runs about 20x too fast
[02:17] <seth_k> schweeb: with the 2.6.12-k7 kernel
[02:17] <tseng> i dont have a very vivid imagination RE user support
[02:17] <tseng> ive seen it all
[02:17] <seth_k> schweeb: the laptop, running 2.6.12-686 is fine
[02:18] <comadreja> tseng : feeling better of your nightmares ?
[02:18] <tseng> no.
[02:18] <comadreja> I guessed ;)
[02:18] <schweeb> seth_k: does it do the same w/ the -386 kernel?
[02:18] <schweeb> and, is the bug reported?
[02:19] <seth_k> schweeb: only k7 kernel affected afaik, and reported yesterday
[02:19] <schweeb> reminds me, I need to file a couple kernel bugs
[02:19] <schweeb> frigging ACPI
[02:33] <tseng> schweeb: do it
[02:42] <comadreja> is there anything like a --save-after-build for pbuilder ?
[02:43] <schweeb> save after build?
[02:43] <schweeb> it throws all of the packages into a directory in its chroot
[02:43] <schweeb> somewhere in /var
[02:43] <comadreja> but for every build it reinstalls
[02:44] <schweeb> oh
[02:44] <schweeb> that's intentional
[02:44] <schweeb> it's the whole point
[02:44] <comadreja> anyway, I don't know if it has too much sense (me using pbuilder) as I'm upgrading to breezy
[02:45] <schweeb> if you leave packages installed in there, then it wouldn't be useful to determine if your dependencies are correct
[02:45] <schweeb> pbuilder is useful for a clean build environment
[02:45] <schweeb> your running system is not a clean build environment
[02:45] <comadreja> I see
[02:46] <schweeb> you understand what I'm getting at?
[02:46] <comadreja> yep, I do, thanks
[02:46] <comadreja> :)
[02:47] <comadreja> but for tests, I definitely can't use pbuilder
[02:47] <comadreja> it just takes too long
[02:47] <schweeb> yea, pbuilder isn't meant to be an interactive install
[02:47] <schweeb> er s/install/desktop/
[02:48] <comadreja> btw, instead of moving completely to breezy, I just duplicated deb and deb-src in the sources.list (breezy/hoary)
[02:48] <comadreja> and installed necesary packages with -t breezy
[02:48] <schweeb> ewwww
[02:48] <tseng> well if you dist-upgrade
[02:49] <comadreja> also made hoary default:release
[02:49] <tseng> you will get everything
[02:49] <schweeb> that's not a reliable testing environment
[02:49] <tseng> besides that being disgusting
[02:49] <schweeb> not at all
[02:49] <comadreja> :(
[02:49] <schweeb> you're supposed to be testing it in the exact same environment that it will run in
[02:49] <schweeb> which, if you're only half breezy, you've got a horrible mismatch of junk
[02:50] <comadreja> I see, yes
[02:50] <schweeb> some libraries will be old versions, some will be new
[02:50] <schweeb> and will interact in different ways than if you were fully breezy
[02:50] <comadreja> but dependencies should work that out, right ?
[02:51] <seth_k> no
[02:51] <schweeb> not necessarily
[02:51] <comadreja> ok, I'll move to breezy
[02:52] <schweeb> is there some non-ugly way to set your default gcc w/o manually changing the symlink?
[02:53] <schweeb> pretty sure this cisco vpnclient is failing on build because of the c/c++ api/abi change
[03:19] <schweeb> is malone the preferred place to submit all bugs now?  or should I cross-post with bugzilla?
[03:19] <seth_k> oy, wish i knew
[03:30] <comadreja> now I need help
[03:30] <comadreja> I was upgrading, and I get this
[03:31] <comadreja> Unpacking x-common (from .../archives/x-common_1.02_all.deb) ...
[03:31] <comadreja> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.02_all.deb (--unpack):
[03:31] <comadreja>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/X11', which is also in package xorg-common
[03:37] <plugwash> it sounds like a package has been renamed without appropriate replaces or conflicts being in place
[03:37] <plugwash> i think you need to remove xorg-common then try to upgrade again
[03:39] <comadreja> I did a dpkg --force-overwrite -i ... of the package
[03:39] <comadreja> is this a reported bug ?
[04:08] <comadreja> ok, I upgraded to breezy and now X won't start
[04:08] <comadreja> missing output drivers, it says
[04:10] <comadreja> nopes, signal 11
[04:10] <schweeb> chris@schweeb-x41:~/Desktop/vpnclient$ ls -l /usr/bin/X
[04:10] <schweeb> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 14 2005-07-04 13:09 /usr/bin/X -> ../X11R6/bin/X
[04:10] <schweeb> be sure that symlink is correct
[04:10] <comadreja> yep, it is
[04:11] <comadreja> help, please
[04:12] <schweeb> could you paste the exact errors to a pastebin somewhere or something?
[04:13] <comadreja> I have no web browser
[04:13] <comadreja> Exact error is:
[04:13] <comadreja> Fatal server error:
[04:13] <comadreja> Caught signal 11. Server aborting
[04:15] <comadreja> is there a solution or should I start reinstalling hoary ?
[04:15] <comadreja> I mean, I've gotta work tomorrow
[04:15] <comadreja> and I need the computer :)
[04:17] <schweeb> I'm not well versed as to what sig11 is
[04:17] <schweeb> how are you starting X?
[04:17] <schweeb> through GDM or startx
[04:18] <comadreja> gdm
[04:19] <comadreja> startx does the same
[04:20] <schweeb> you ONLY have breezy sources in your sources.list right now?
[04:20] <schweeb> and you don't have any odd pinning going on?
[04:20] <comadreja> only breezy, no pinning
[04:21] <comadreja> but I'll start pinning right away
[04:21] <comadreja> :)
[04:30] <comadreja> nothing, fuck it
[04:31] <comadreja> I'll reinstall hoary
[04:33] <schweeb> be sure you don't have any packages still held
[04:34] <comadreja> I don't, I'm screwed
[04:34] <comadreja> it's a signal 11
[04:34] <comadreja> that's a sigint, right
[04:34] <comadreja> ?
[04:35] <jamessan> man 7 signal
[04:36] <comadreja> cool, much better
[04:39] <comadreja> is there any way to use aptitude to install hoary's X ?
[04:53] <comadreja> how do I reinstall the whole gnome, ubuntu-desktop, X, and all related ?
[05:56] <_crimsun> 'evening, tritium. How are things?
[05:56] <tritium> hi _crimsun.  Getting close now.  How are you?
[05:58] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[05:58] <tritium> hi there bddebian.  Still up, eh?
[05:59] <bddebian> tritium: Of course :-)
[05:59] <comadreja> hey, I need help
[06:00] <bddebian> comadreja: Yeah, we know :-)
[06:00] <comadreja> :/ damn it's 6:00 am
[06:00] <comadreja> I won't sleep today
[06:00] <comadreja> where could I find an older xserver-xorg package ?
[06:00] <tritium> _crimsun, it's been a while.  What's new?
[06:03] <jamessan> comadreja: why not just install hoary and be done with it?
[06:04] <comadreja> I won't give up :)
[06:04] <comadreja> it's just a bug in xserver-xorg
[06:04] <comadreja> with i810
[06:04] <comadreja> if I could find an older version... I made too many fixes to this installation
[06:04] <comadreja> I don't wanna lose them.
[06:05] <comadreja> I'm downloading the colony cd2
[06:05] <comadreja> I guess I could find an older xserver-xorg there
[06:05] <ajmitch> comadreja: morgue.ubuntu.com may help
[06:05] <comadreja> cool, thanks ajmitch !
[06:05] <ajmitch> although it doesn';t look to have been updated for awhile
[06:06] <_crimsun> tritium: not much, finally got in contact with my sister in london a couple hours ago, so things are looking up. What's new with you?
[06:06] <schweeb> the archive should have a few versions back still, I believe
[06:06] <comadreja> is there anyway to search over morgue ?
[06:06] <tritium> _crimsun, I'm glad you heard from her.  I didn't realize you had family there.  Same with me.  Finalizing my dissertation this weekend.
[06:07] <comadreja> seems too old packages
[06:07] <_crimsun> tritium: ah, best of luck (again)! You'll do great. :)
[06:08] <tritium> _crimsun, thanks.  I've been running Monte-Carlo simulations for I can't recall how long now... :)
[06:08] <_crimsun> :)
[06:28] <tritium> good night, guys
[06:33] <comadreja> hey, with 6.8.2-33 I get an X not executable, but I have the link
[07:26] <comadreja> ok, got the X working
[07:26] <comadreja> but the desktop is very unstable
[07:52] <comadreja> :)
[09:30] <tiglionabbit> hello
[10:54] <ivoks> siretart: ping
[11:26] <siretart> ivoks: pong
[11:26] <siretart> morning :)
[11:31] <mitsuhiko> morning siretart
[11:32] <siretart> hi mitsuhiko
[12:17] <lunatech> is there a ubuntu jabber server ?
[12:18] <lunatech> to test out MOTUIM ?
[12:22] <Mez> I doubt it luna :D
[12:22] <Mez> but that's something to think about
[12:22] <Treenaks> hm... I guess I'm too late to troll Microsoft Teched with Hoary CDs ;)
[12:28] <tseng> ftp://ftp.ssc.com/pub/lj/Web/RC/8272.txt
[12:29] <tseng> we are up against CentOS and Fedora
[12:29] <tseng> good times
[12:43] <uniq> lunatech: you can make your own, apt-get install jabber :)
[12:50] <mort> hey DanielN, you allright?
[12:52] <lunatech> uniq: i know, just wanted to see what the cutting edge is like on ubuntu-jabber :)
[12:53] <lunatech> for example, i read that you could tunnel y! and msn network into jabber - but i don't know how
[12:54] <mort> http://kqe.de/pruell/parents-magazine.gif
[12:55] <Treenaks> mort: sigh
[01:02] <mort> Treenaks: :-) do you have moral problems reading that word or do you think making fun of it isn't very mature or didn't you get it?
[01:30] <Treenaks> mort: the immature part :)
[02:53] <siretart> ok, worked on revu a bit
[02:53] <siretart> now html comments work, archive is reenabled. uploads are "unarchived" on every new upload
[02:54] <siretart> have fun!
[02:57] <slomo> siretart: hmm... maybe sort the uploads by their upload date, oldest on top
[03:04] <siretart> slomo: well, sort of this is already done that way
[03:04] <siretart> slomo: but additionally, uploads are grouped by 'Updated' and 'NEW' Packages
[03:05] <slomo> hm when exactly does a package change from new to updated?
[03:09] <siretart> slomo: a NEW package is a package not in the ubuntu archive (yet)
[03:10] <siretart> an 'updated' package is updating a package in the archive
[03:11] <slomo> ok... i thought that state only relates to the upload in some way, for example updated when an updated upload is uploaded
[03:12] <siretart> nope
[03:12] <siretart> the difference is that NEW packages need 3 advocates, normal package updates only 1 advocate
[03:12] <siretart> therefore they are likley to get uploaded more quickly
[03:13] <slomo> yes that makes sense ;)
[03:15] <slomo> btw... is anyone here who knows why there is a fairly new version of smlnj as sourcepackage in the archives but only old versions are available as binary package (which are even incomplete)... on my ppc machine the new sourcepackage builds fine
[03:16] <slomo> or is there some place where i can look at the build logs?
[03:22] <comadreja> howdy all
[03:22] <siretart> slomo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont
[03:22] <ogra> slomo, if you want just an overwiew for the day also hwdb.ubuntu.com
[03:22] <ogra> err
[03:23] <ogra> hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs
[03:23] <slomo> thanks
[03:24] <siretart> wow. hwdb is nice!
[03:28] <slomo> hum... i remember the problem i had with smlnj... the package build depends on itself... by ignoring the depencies one get a (incomplete) binary of the compiler which then can be used to build the whole package... is also written in the README.Debian
[03:28] <slomo> what can be done about that?
[03:29] <plugwash> slomo fix the debian build system so it can build without build depending on itself
[03:29] <plugwash> by making it do two compilation runs as part of the normal bulid process
[03:31] <slomo> hm i make a note and will look at it later...
[03:44] <\sh> *phew*
[03:44] <\sh> my laptop is actually working again
[03:45] <Lathiat> heh
[03:46] <\sh> actually only half way through with a nice working env
[03:47] <ivoks> hi all
[03:48] <Lathiat> i can get ubuntu up adn going within an hour
[03:48] <Lathiat> plus some download time
[03:48] <Lathiat> which totally rocks
[03:48] <ivoks> yeah
[03:48] <\sh> lathiat: it took me two hours now, just because I'm too blond to install my new hd correctly ;)
[03:48] <Lathiat> i want to write a script to set my magic gconf keys
[03:48] <\sh> and updated to breezy, xorg was breaking again ;)
[03:48] <Lathiat> already got one that installs packages, fixes config files, etc
[03:48] <ivoks> i hate blond guys :)
[03:48] <Lathiat> \sh: yeh, i had to futz to get Xorg going
[03:48] <Lathiat> had to do a mix of
[03:48] <Lathiat> upgrade
[03:48] <Lathiat> dist-upgrade
[03:48] <Lathiat> -f install
[03:49] <Lathiat> and dpkg -i stuff
[03:49] <\sh> yeah
[03:49] <Lathiat> cus xorg-common vs x-common
[03:49] <Lathiat> wanted to replace a file
[03:49] <Lathiat> installing in the wrong order
[03:49] <Lathiat> so i had to force install one
[03:49] <Lathiat> then -f
[03:49] <Lathiat> then dist-upgrade
[03:49] <Lathiat> plus i had to -f install just to get to that point
[03:50] <\sh> ok...my backups are at home...
[04:53] <j^> doey anyone know what happend to libwx2.5.3 in breezy, is it just missing due to some transision?
[04:55] <Hieronymus> apt-cache search libwx
[04:55] <Hieronymus> shows some
[04:56] <j^> Hieronymus only 2.4 not 2.5
[04:56] <Hieronymus> Hieronymus: yes I see. And there was 2.5 in Hoary?
[04:56] <Hieronymus> That'd be weird
[04:57] <j^> libwxgtk2.5.3
[04:57] <j^> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/libs/libwxgtk2.5.3
[04:57] <j^> together with the python bindings
[04:57] <Hieronymus> you might want to file a bug then
[04:57] <j^> problem is wxgtk2.4 is still using gtk1.2
[04:57] <j^> in malone?
[04:58] <Hieronymus> j^: universe is malone, main is bugzilla
[04:59] <j^> well it was in universe in hoary...
[05:00] <Hieronymus> j^: you might want to file a bug then, if none is already filed
[05:04] <j^> ok https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1308
[05:05] <Hieronymus> aha!!
[05:05] <Hieronymus> wxvlc depends on that!
[05:05] <Hieronymus> might that be why vlc has not been installable?
[05:05] <Hieronymus> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1138
[05:07] <j^> yup.
[05:08] <j^> it needs wx2.5 + a rebuild to depend on dbus 0.3
[05:08] <j^> or not depend on dbus
[05:12] <Hieronymus> How do I figure out who's the maintainer for a Universe package?
[05:13] <ogra> Hieronymus, the last guy who changed it
[05:13] <Hieronymus> uh, yeah, how do I figure that out?
[05:14] <j^> Hieronymus debian/changelog
[05:15] <ogra>  /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.Debian.gz
[05:16] <Hieronymus> It's a Debian guy
[05:16] <Hieronymus> well, he has @debian.org
[05:16] <Hieronymus>  -- Isaac Clerencia <isaac@debian.org>  Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:01:04 +0200
[05:17] <j^> wxwidgets2.5 (2.5.3.2ubuntu4) hoary; urgency=low
[05:17] <j^>   * Fix missing wx/archive.h header in wx2.5-headers.  Thanks,
[05:17] <j^>     Werner Mahr!  Closes: Ubuntu#8316 and Debian#294998.
[05:17] <j^>  -- Daniel T Chen <crimsun@fungus.sh.nu>  Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:44:26 -0500
[05:17] <ogra> so it wasnt touched in ubuntu then...
[05:17] <j^> thing is that it was only in experimental if i remember right
[05:17] <j^> and never made it into sarge
[05:18] <j^> latest version on http://www.wxwidgets.org/ is 2.6.1 stable release
[05:18] <ogra> j^, iirc we wanted to wait for 2.6 .... but dont quote me on that
[05:18] <Mez> nope,. cant be arsed, although it would be nice.
[05:18] <ogra> (for 2.6 to be packaged in debain)
[05:18] <Mez> though technically I could make a package to run the .run file ;)
[05:18] <j^> but removing 2.5 and not replacing it with 2.6 is a bad idea
[05:21] <Hieronymus> so I should file a Debian bug report instead?
[05:21] <j^> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=316680
[05:22] <Hieronymus> for https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1213
[05:43] <blackmoon> hi
[05:46] <blackmoon> there are a packager for freepops (amd64 )for hoary?
[05:48] <Hieronymus> blackmoon: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[05:49] <blackmoon> Hieronymus: i've already look there but this package is only for breezy...
[05:49] <blackmoon> Hieronymus: ...and this don't work on hoary...
[05:49] <Hieronymus> blackmoon: so?
[05:49] <Hieronymus> then ther is none
[05:50] <Mez> omg...
[05:50] <Mez> this is going to be such an awkward package
[05:50] <blackmoon> Hieronymus: ...i've recompiled (and packaged) it for hoary (amd64) and work...
[05:52] <Hieronymus> blackmoon: smile, be happy :)
[05:52] <blackmoon> ...so you can do the same and put it in the hoary repository, for all other user...
[05:53] <Hieronymus> maybe you can add it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates with the comment "I recompiled the Breezy package and it worked" or something similar?
[05:54] <blackmoon> ok, why not... but i'm not a programmer... it's the same?
[05:56] <blackmoon> ok, thanks for your time.... bye...
[06:07] <bddebian> Heya
[06:18] <ed1t> hello
[07:21] <sistpoty> siretart: huhu... i just commited some diagrams for revu2 :)
[07:22] <siretart> hey, great! :)
[07:23] <siretart> sistpoty: I'll install a mail trigger for us both, ok?
[07:23] <siretart> ed1t: hi
[07:23] <sistpoty> siretart: yeah, this would be great
[07:23] <ed1t> hey siretart
[07:24] <siretart> done
[07:24] <sistpoty> http://studhome.rrze.uni-erlangen.de/~sistpoty/revu2/
[07:25] <siretart> sistpoty: is this dia?
[07:26] <sistpoty> siretart: yes (dia in svn, on studhome the png's)
[07:26] <siretart> just checked it out
[07:26] <siretart> tseng: ping
[07:27] <sistpoty> siretart: shall I write s.th. on the Revudevelopment-page in wiki about it?
[07:28] <siretart> sistpoty: that would be great. tseng and Burgundiva created and discussed about further revu devolpment earlier this week..
[07:29] <sistpoty> siretart: ok :)
[07:30] <ed1t> i hate gaim
[07:30] <jsgotangco> ed1t: amen
[07:30] <ed1t> lol
[07:30] <ed1t> jsgotangco wat do u use?
[07:31] <jsgotangco> well my laptop got busted today and they gave me a loaner on XP
[07:31] <jsgotangco> which im using now
[07:31] <jsgotangco> i just installed GAIM
[07:31] <siretart> hrhr:         * Major Version 2 (can do nothing, but that very elegantly)
[07:31] <jsgotangco> and using it now to chat with you
[07:33] <jsgotangco> gaim on windows is nice though
[07:33] <ed1t> i just want a AIM client which flashes the windows when i get a message like windows
[07:33] <ed1t> coz its annoying to go back forth and check for a message
[07:33] <pef> hello
[07:34] <siretart> hello pef
[07:34] <bddebian> Hello pef
[07:34] <ed1t> is this the channel for laptop supports team?
[07:34] <Hieronymus> ed1t: this is MOTU. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[07:35] <siretart> ed1t: this channel is about maintenance of the universe ;)
[07:36] <bddebian> You guys are maintaining the Universe? Wow! :-)
[07:37] <ed1t> lol
[07:37] <jsgotangco> you should talk to those maintaining the Multiverse!
[07:37] <siretart> hehe
[07:41] <jsgotangco> well i gotta sleep at least when i wake up i'll be able to get my laptop again
[07:41] <jsgotangco> rest easy guys
[07:44] <Hieronymus> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNEWGames If I find games somewhere am I allowed/supposed (as non-MOTU) to edit that page?
[07:44] <siretart> Hieronymus: you are perfectly welcome to do so!
[07:45] <sistpoty> siretart: just wrote some (more or less silly) text... want to look over it?
[07:49] <siretart> sistpoty: sure
[07:49] <ivoks> hi
[07:49] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[07:50] <siretart> huhu ivoks
[07:50] <ivoks> siretart: oh, did you saw my feature request for revu? :)
[07:50] <siretart> ivoks: err, which one? ;)
[07:50] <ivoks> to create repository on server
[07:50] <pef> siretart: is it possible you to delete from revu datakiosk uploaded by jridell ? I've just uploaded a corrected version
[07:50] <ivoks> so we can apt-get source bla bla
[07:51] <ivoks> so we don't have to download each file individualy
[07:52] <siretart> ivoks: hm. how do you specify which upload candidate to download with apt-get?
[07:52] <ivoks> apt-get -t revu source bla
[07:53] <siretart> ivoks: assuming there are 3 uploads, 2 with the same version number. how to get each of those 3?
[07:53] <ivoks> why each? only last one
[07:53] <siretart> only latest one.. hmhmm..
[07:54] <sistpoty> maybe a hook on upload could do this?
[07:54] <siretart> ivoks: which archive software would you recommend for this?
[07:54] <ivoks> none :)
[07:54] <sistpoty> there must be s.th. out there ;)
[07:54] <ivoks> archive software?
[07:54] <Hieronymus> siretart: well, I did at some (lincity-ng and dangerdeep) :-)
[07:55] <Hieronymus> * have added
[07:55] <sistpoty> ivoks: to create a debian-structured archive
[07:55] <sistpoty> i assume :)
[07:55] <siretart> sistpoty: well, I certainly don't want to reimplement half of dak with a revu hook ;)
[07:55] <siretart> right
[07:56] <sistpoty> hrhr got that one :)
[07:56] <ivoks> sistpoty: i don't know, but there are tools for that, otherwise we wouldn't have archives :)
[07:56] <sistpoty> ivoks: that's what i meant with "there must be s.th. out there" ;)
[07:56] <siretart> Hieronymus: err, sorry. what did you do?
[07:56] <pef> siretart: I tried to upload my package of datakiosk but it seems to be unsuccesful, could you help me ?
[07:56] <Hieronymus> siretart: add things to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNEWGames
[07:57] <siretart> Hieronymus: aaah, great :)
[07:57] <ivoks> debarchiver - Tool to handle debian package archives
[07:57] <siretart> pef: just a moment
[07:57] <pef> siretart: sure :)
[07:58] <ivoks> i think debarchiver is something that we would use
[07:58] <ivoks> check apt-cache show debarchiver
[07:58] <sistpoty> ivoks: just read about it... i'll give it a try
[07:58] <siretart> ivoks: I know debarchiver, but I think that mini-dinstall would be better suited for our purpose
[07:58] <ivoks> ok
[07:59] <ivoks> siretart: i have no exp. with creating deb archives :( i'm sure you know better then me
[07:59] <siretart> mini-dinstall has integrated checking of signatures of uploads, plus ability to extend with hooks. but I only worked with debarchiver until now
[07:59] <ivoks> ok, mini-dinstall sounds good
[08:00] <sistpoty> yes
[08:00] <siretart> pef: I don't see any upload concerning datakiosk in my upload queue, did dput tell you it got uploaded? have a look at the .upload file
[08:02] <pef> siretart: typo in dput.cf, upload gone to ubuntu host :/
[08:03] <siretart> pef: err, thats not good ;)
[08:03] <ivoks> :))
[08:03] <pef> siretart: it asks me a password ?
[08:03] <ivoks> it will be silently droped :)
[08:05] <siretart> pef: no, revu is using an anonymous ftp, no password necessary
[08:05] <pef> siretart: sorry
[08:06] <siretart> n/p. another uploader already asked me this question already, but I have no idea what he got misconfigured. he finally managed to fix his config
[08:06] <siretart> I don't remember who this was
[08:06] <slomo> that was me ;)
[08:07] <siretart> hehe
[08:07] <siretart> slomo: perhaps you can help pef? ;)
[08:07] <pef> erf :) now I think it's ok, but no .upload file
[08:08] <slomo> hehe ok ;) my problem was the -c parameter of dput... solved it by copying the revu lines to the global dput.cf
[08:08] <siretart> ah, there is a datakiosk in the UploadQueue..
[08:09] <pef> :D
[08:12] <pef> mm a lintian error
[08:14] <pef> "W: datakiosk source: native-package-with-dash-version" is it a consequence of source only upload ?
[08:14] <ogra> nope
[08:15] <ogra> thats a warning that you built a native packages (without orig.tar.gz)
[08:15] <sistpoty> i bet the orig-tarball is spelled wrong (took me some time to find out that it has to be package-version_orig instead of packge-version-orig.tar.gz)
[08:15] <bddebian> No one looks at my whacky lintian errors.. :'-(
[08:15] <pef> bddebian: which package ?
[08:16] <pef> sistpoty: thanks
[08:16] <bddebian> pef: python-pyrtf
[08:16] <sistpoty> pef:  really?
[08:16] <sistpoty> was just a guess G
[08:17] <sivang> bddebian: yo :-) have you already uploaded a HURD package to Universe?
[08:17] <bddebian> pef: It's OK, ogra just lets me stay around as the #ubuntu-motu jester :-)
[08:18] <ogra> hehe
[08:18] <bddebian> sivang: Not yet, I'm trying to get my FTP server going first
[08:18] <bddebian> heh
[08:20] <comadreja> what's the right way to report bugs ? bugzilla or malone ?
[08:20] <ivoks> depends on package
[08:21] <ivoks> main or universe?
[08:21] <comadreja> xserver-xorg
[08:21] <comadreja> main
[08:21] <ivoks> bugzilla
[08:21] <comadreja> cool, ivoks
[08:21] <comadreja> thanks
[08:21] <SloMoSnail> what's the correct way to get an updated package into universe which is currently not updated in debian?
[08:21] <ivoks> ?
[08:22] <ivoks> new upstream version?
[08:22] <SloMoSnail> that and also updated packaging files
[08:23] <ivoks> i'm not sure... ogra ?
[08:23] <ivoks> \sh: hi
[08:24] <bddebian> SloMoSnail: Bug the Debian maintainer to update it! :-)
[08:24] <ogra> SloMoSnail, first step is always to talk to the debian maintainer
[08:24] <bddebian> +1 bddebian
[08:25] <SloMoSnail> i talked to the debian maintainer... the updated package ist by him ;) but he means he was unsuccessful at getting it uploaded into debian and is currently to busy with other work
[08:25] <\sh> ivoks: sorry, i couldn't do anything for 2 days now
[08:27] <ivoks> \sh: that's ok
[08:28] <ivoks> i'm bussy too
[08:28] <ivoks> last exams and stuff...
[08:28] <ivoks> yay! first package with my name in changelog in ubuntu :)
[08:29] <ivoks> etherape
[08:29] <ivoks> :)
[08:29] <pef> ivoks: only one ? ;)
[08:29] <siretart> SloMoSnail: I would "backport" the changes of the net yet uploaded package to a new upload to ubuntu using the normal versioning convention
[08:29] <bddebian> It rapes your ethe??
[08:29] <bddebian> ivoks: Congrats! :-)
[08:29] <ivoks> pef: yeah, guys don't like my nativly packaged wifi-radar :(
[08:29] <ivoks> ;)
[08:30] <\sh> ivoks: grats :)
[08:30] <ivoks> all i did is gksu -> gksudo
[08:30] <\sh> ivoks: can u upload already? ,-)
[08:30] <ivoks> dman :)
[08:30] <ivoks> \sh: well, didn't check for some time...
[08:30] <tseng> siretart: hi
[08:30] <ivoks> i sent e-mail to keyring
[08:30] <ivoks> didn't get any confirmation
[08:31] <pef> sistpoty: sorry to bother you again, but I've made a new upload to correct a stupid error (orig file missing due to bad filename), can you delete again the oldest entry ?
[08:31] <pef> oups
[08:31] <pef> owned by tab completion
[08:31] <siretart> pef: he can, too ;) - but just do another upload
[08:31] <pef> done a minute ago
[08:32] <ivoks> gnome dropping bonobo?
[08:32] <siretart> huh?
[08:32] <siretart> replacing with what?
[08:32] <ivoks> < netdur> sivang, I heard that GNOME poeple moving away bonobo thing
[08:33] <sistpoty> siretart: restart apache :P
[08:33] <SloMo_> siretart: i'll try that... but currently i'm looking whether the package compiles ;)
[08:34] <siretart> sistpoty: I think it's a bit more complicated. I'm on it
[08:34] <sistpoty> omg
[08:35] <ivoks> does every ubuntu derivated distro has to be brown? :)
[08:35] <sistpoty> hrhr
[08:36] <ivoks> doh, no time to devote it to edubuntu :(
[08:37] <ivoks> just one more week on faculty, then i will have more time for ubuntu development
[08:37] <ivoks> :)
[08:38] <siretart> sistpoty: see commit mail, should work now
[08:38] <sistpoty> cool :)
[08:39] <siretart> who is martin schmeisser? do you happen to be in this channel?
[08:39] <ivoks> bye all
[08:40] <bddebian> Later ivoks
[08:40] <pef> ivoks: bye !
[08:40] <sistpoty> bye ivoks
[08:40] <siretart> bye ivoks
[08:40] <pef> when correcting bugs in a package, what's the right way ? filling a bug report, making a corrected package, uploading it to revu, if validated set the bug as fixed, is it right ?
[08:41] <siretart> pef: yes, that would be best, I think
[08:41] <pef> siretart: perfect :)
[08:41] <SloMo_> siretart: "backporting" the packaging changes isn't that simple... in the debian package the upstream tarball contains the parts missing in the older packages...
[08:42] <siretart> pef: I consider revu as a launchpad for getting your uploads into ubuntu..
[08:42] <siretart> SloMo_: is it a new upstream version?
[08:43] <pef> ok
[08:43] <SloMo_> siretart: it's a bit complicated with that package... the "upstream tarball" contains many tar.gz from the upstream homepage which are all needed for compilation... and in this version the former missing ones are included
[08:43] <pef> that's very interesting all this process :)
[08:43] <SloMo_> siretart: and yes, its a new upstream version but that isn't the problem
[08:44] <siretart> SloMo_: I'll say decide at your own discretion and make an upload candidate to ubuntu, documenting your decisions in the changelog.
[08:46] <pef> is there a usual way to use a temporay file in rules file ? like applying a program to a file (iconv for me)
[08:47] <SloMo_> siretart: ok, but what would be the right direction: old upstream version with changed tarball or new upstream version with the tarball of the debian maintainer? maybe just take the new version from the debian maintainer und set version from *-1 to *-0?
[08:48] <siretart> SloMo_: to *-0ubuntu1 sounds sane
[08:49] <SloMo_> ok
[08:49] <Mez> siretart, I've had to make some 0ubuntu1's before (k3b, etc)
[08:50] <SloMo_> siretart: ok, i'll do that later ;) hehe uploading 22 mb to revu will be fun ;)
[08:50] <Mez> SloMo_, not as fun as uplaoding 40 Meg to backports ;)
[08:52] <SloMo_> Mez: uploading 40 mb to backports hasn't worked for me ;) how do you do that?
[08:52] <Mez> slomo, waited for about an hour :D
[08:52] <Mez> hehe :D was a pain updating acroread ;)
[08:52] <SloMo_> Mez: hm, i always got a timeout ;) had to send the packages to jdong to upload
[08:53] <Mez> never had a timeout ...
[08:53] <Mez> he musta changed it or something
[08:53] <Mez> *Shrugs*
[08:59] <ogra> \sh, did youget a bigger one ?
[08:59] <ogra> (disk indeed)
[08:59] <Mez> lol
[08:59] <\sh> ogra: no...the same size
[09:00] <\sh> ogra: oh you mean the disk ;)
[09:00] <ogra> hehe
[09:01] <\sh> no..disk was only exchanged...same size :)
[09:01] <ogra> hm..
[09:01] <\sh> but it was difficult to install the disk...first I plugged it in, and it wasn't recognized at all...then I had to use force..after this enforcement of the disk, everything worked fine
[09:04] <DanielN> hiho
[09:04] <pef> hu
[09:04] <pef> hi
[09:04] <DanielN> \sh, around?
[09:06] <Mez> Daniel Neunshwader (or whatever it is)
[09:06] <Mez> ?
[09:06] <DanielN> Mez, Neuenschwander, and yes, i am :)
[09:07] <Mez> ah
[09:07] <Mez> :D
[09:07] <DanielN> ^^
[09:17] <\sh> DanielN: how can Ihelp u?
[09:18] <Mez> ogra, I'm noticing a few packages that are dependent on libs that have been fixed
[09:18] <Mez> libblac2 etc
[09:19] <Mez> what is done about those (increase version number and reupload or what?)
[09:19] <Mez> I assumed that was the case until siretart told me to ask
[09:21] <\sh> hmm...why is my secret key not recognized
[09:21] <Mez> what is your secret key ?
[09:21] <Mez> :P
[09:21] <bddebian> HEHE
[09:22] <\sh> strange
[09:35] <\sh> ah...found it...:) environment vars are missing *lol*
[09:44] <pef> in changelog there are only references to unstable, not breezy, should I put my new changelog entry as breezy or unstable ?
[09:44] <tseng> if you mean to upload something to breezy
[09:44] <tseng> it needs to be breezy
[09:46] <\sh> pef: man dch ;)
[09:47] <pef> last question : currently I  correct some wrong encodings in manpages (iso8859-1 instead of utf8), is I see others charsets, should I convert them to utf-8 too ?
[09:47] <pef> s/is/if/
[09:51] <sladen> pef: yup, everything to UTF-8  recode can do this for you;  if you want to keep the patch size down against Debian you could do it during the package process
[09:53] <pef> sladen: yes, this is what people say to me in this channel, I will add a command to rules file
[09:54] <pef> sladen: iconv is better because installed by default no ?
[09:54] <sladen> pef: I guess so :)
[09:55] <sladen> UTF-8 is goodness, anything else is less good :)
[09:55] <pef> ok, it's all I have to know :)
[10:49] <pef> bye !