[12:00] <Stan__> din, I have a linksys USB
[12:00] <Stan__> din, ubuntu doesn't recognize those
[12:00] <mti> Untersttz ubuntu meinen D-Link DWL 120 USB Adapter?
[12:00] <cmatheson> Stan__: get a real ethernet card
[12:00] <twb_> aw crap, source is larger in bytes, but i made the head, track, and cylinders the same
[12:01] <cmatheson> twb_: yeah, dd's a pain in the butt
[12:01] <Stan__> cmatheson, then what do I have if its not a real ethernet card?
[12:01] <cmatheson> Stan__: go buy a new one
[12:01] <twb_> is there a way to modify byte count?
[12:01] <jaross> I dont knwo if anyone awnsered my question before, but my connection was dropped for some reason...so if you wouldnt mind releating it...
[12:01] <twb_> size w/e
[12:01] <mti> is there a support for my D-Link DWL 120 USB Adapter ?
[12:01] <BjoernVDM> mti: nur wenn du weisst was du tust: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4041.html
[12:01] <cmatheson> twb_: i'm not sure... i've only used dd on floppies to be honest (i always just tar up my hard-drives if i want to copy them)
[12:01] <Stan__> cmatheson, no offense, but that sounds like a M$ solution
[12:02] <jacky^> hi
[12:02] <twb_> tar up?
[12:02] <W0nk0> smear 'em in bitumen
[12:02] <W0nk0> when it gets cold, it shrinks
[12:02] <W0nk0> and the bit density increases
[12:03] <jacky^> i tried to add: /dev/hdc2 /mnt/windows deafults,user 0  0   in /etc/fstab, but can't mount it as user..
[12:03] <din> Stan__, is it a wireless card?
[12:03] <cmatheson> twb_: use the 'tar' command to make a big zip-like file of the whole filesystem (or i generally just do the files i want to copy, not the entire fs)
[12:03] <thr1ce> are there ways to lock packages?
[12:03] <webcosimo> jacky mi lei?
[12:03] <gnat_x> grrr. i am having an endless flow of problems with my freshly installed ubuntu system.
[12:03] <jacky^> can I munt a partition as user ?
[12:03] <Stan__> din, i don't think its a card... Its plugs into USB
[12:03] <thr1ce> i have an ATI, and want to test breezy, but want to have it never update my kernel / drivers
[12:03] <twb_> well, i need windows to go onto my new HDD
[12:03] <thr1ce> is there a way I can lock them?
[12:03] <jacky^> webcosimo yes
[12:03] <mjr> thr1ce, yes, echo "packagename hold" | sudo dpkg --set-selections (might be an easier way too, dunno ;)
[12:03] <twb_> can tar handle that
[12:03] <din> Stan__, cable modem?
[12:03] <webcosimo> ok karamelli pa tuss
[12:04] <Stan__> din, yes... wirless
[12:04] <mjr> thr1ce, swap hold for install to reverse the change
[12:04] <jasoncohen> i read on the restricted formats wiki that many programs have problems with ESD and don't produce sound. i haven't had that issue with any programs. In amarok, I had to choose esdsink for gstreamer to get multiplexing in gnome, but other programs like xine, totem, kaffeine, mozilla just worked
[12:04] <cmatheson> jacky^: add the 'user' parm to your /etc/fstab for that drive i think (that or add your user to the disk group)
[12:04] <din> ahh so it is wireless
[12:04] <jasoncohen> so, what programs have issues?
[12:04] <thr1ce> mjr, interesting...gotta be an easier way i'd think...hm
[12:04] <thr1ce> gnat_x, i doubt it's ubuntu
[12:04] <din> Stan__, iwconfig essid (your essid) enc (your encoding wep if you have one)
[12:04] <cmatheson> jasoncohen: generally they don't if stuff is set up right... i don't have a problem w/ anything on my system
[12:04] <din> Stan__, iwconfig essid (your essid) enc (your encoding wep if you have one) eth0
[12:05] <din> errrr
[12:05] <din> oops
[12:05] <jacky^> cmatheson ok, thanks
[12:05] <mcdenyer> i like ubuntu :)
[12:05] <din> Stan__, iwconfig eth0 essid (your essid) enc (your encoding wep if you have one)
[12:05] <Stan__> din, I don't understand... sorry
[12:05] <din> there
[12:05] <mcdenyer> but i dont knowhow do do shit on it
[12:05] <mcdenyer> lol
[12:05] <freecraft> can I use packages that come with ubuntu cd in my debian sarge installation?
[12:05] <cmatheson> freecraft: no
[12:05] <gnat_x> the ubuntu.png file is corrupted which doesn't allow Human to load right, which breaks X login, and the only way to fix it is through restarting X a few times
[12:05] <cmatheson> freecraft: don't mix and match the different distros debs
[12:05] <jasoncohen> cmatheson, so, what's the wiki targeted at?
[12:05] <thr1ce> i hate some deps in ubuntu...
[12:05] <gnat_x> i have trouble seeing how that's not ubuntu.
[12:06] <thr1ce> mplayer's are rediculous and incorrect
[12:06] <Stan__> din, what is essid?
[12:06] <gnat_x> not that i haven't had good eperiences in the past, this one has just been hell.
[12:06] <twb_> does anyone know of a way to modify the size of an HDD, i.e i have 82348277760 byte hd and i need it 80026361856?
[12:06] <thr1ce> so no really good way to lock packs from updating?
[12:06] <din> Stan__, if it's wireless then surely you must have a wireless router
[12:06] <cmatheson> jasoncohen: i haven't ever looked at the wiki... there may be issues w/ java or something, but you can get anything to work w/ esd if you set stuff up right
[12:06] <thr1ce> i want to keep my kernel, and NOT go to 2.6.12
[12:06] <nybble> anyonoe have troubles getting apache to process php files?
[12:06] <gnat_x> so anyway i figured i would change the login screen settings, but that crashes on launch
[12:06] <asdx> I can't mount a vfat floppy as user =//
[12:06] <Stan__> din, is that what essid is?
[12:06] <jasoncohen> cmatheson, the problem i had with amarok was due to a dumb default setting. amarok-gstreamer uses the oss output plugin by default rather than using gnome's default (esd)
[12:07] <jaross_> anyone know how to make it so that the wep key doesn't expire in linux?  I have to type it in every 24 hours or something
[12:07] <cmatheson> thr1ce: just tell it to hold the package
[12:07] <jaross_> it dopesnt change though
[12:07] <din> Stan__, it's the name of the wireless connection on your router
[12:07] <jaross_> bc all my windows computers keep working...
[12:07] <thr1ce> cmatheson, can I do that permanently?  so that everytime I run dist-upgrade, it'll skip it?
[12:07] <Stan__> din, oh ok
[12:07] <cmatheson> jasoncohen: yeah, it's just like that (sometimes you need to configure stuff)
[12:07] <jasoncohen> cmatheson, that's problaby not a good idea. most ubuntu apps are from debian anyways. what exactly do you want from ubuntu?
[12:07] <cmatheson> thr1ce: hmm, i'm not sure
[12:07] <thr1ce> (i'm on the live CD, testing)
[12:07] <Stan__> din, that is linksys, let me try that
[12:07] <thr1ce> er
[12:07] <cmatheson> jasoncohen: ??
[12:08] <din> Stan__, does it have a wep key?
[12:08] <jasoncohen> lol, sorry cmatheson
[12:08] <cmatheson> haha
[12:08] <Stan__> din, sorry, idk
[12:08] <jasoncohen> freecraft, that's problaby not a good idea. most ubuntu apps are from debian anyways. what exactly do you want from ubuntu?
[12:08] <din> Stan__, idk is the key?
[12:08] <freecraft> jasoncohen, some python packages ?
[12:08] <Stan__> din, idk=i don't know
[12:08] <din> lol
[12:09] <din> Stan__, if you don't know, it probably doesnt
[12:09] <jasoncohen> freecraft, ah- you mean the python2.4 packges that debian is missing?
[12:09] <din> Stan__, so do this.. iwconfig eth0 essid linksys
[12:09] <din> then, dhclient eth0
[12:09] <Stan__> din, ok
[12:09] <din> it should get an ip address
[12:09] <thr1ce> how is breezy doing..."stable" yet?
[12:09] <jasoncohen> freecraft, they won't install due to missing/different dependencies most likely
[12:09] <cmatheson> thr1ce: read the topic
[12:10] <jasoncohen> thr1ce, it's not stable and wont' be for a while
[12:10] <Stan__> din, ... operation not permitted
[12:10] <thr1ce> cmatheson, that's been that topic for months
[12:10] <din> Stan__, sudo iwconfig
[12:10] <cmatheson> thr1ce: so?
[12:10] <din> sorry, forgot :)
[12:10] <thr1ce> jasoncohen, i thought that since these gcc packs were almost done it would be better now
[12:10] <Stan__> k
[12:10] <freecraft> jasoncohen, but I can try? if something went's wrong, i can uninstall the with synaptic I suppose?
[12:11] <cmatheson> freecraft: you'd be better off just compiling the stuff you want yourself
[12:11] <jaross_> anyone help?
[12:11] <cmatheson> freecraft: you're going to mess yourself up w/ all kinds of conflicting dependencies
[12:11] <cmatheson> jaross_: just ask the question
[12:11] <Stan__> din, No such device
[12:11] <ABRAXAS77> hello
[12:11] <freecraft> cmatheson, yes I know, but my problem is that i have testing sarge (with python 2.3) and I need python 2.4
[12:11] <din> Stan__, try eth1
[12:11] <ABRAXAS77> is there any method to tart with live cd with kde and not gnome?
[12:12] <ABRAXAS77> start
[12:12] <cmatheson> freecraft: yeah, so just go get the python sources and compile it yourself
[12:12] <Stan__> din, same response
[12:12] <freecraft> cmatheson, the problem no2 is that I have dialup 14kbps so I can't download it that easily
[12:12] <din> :/ not good
[12:12] <cmatheson> freecraft: oooh, that does suck
[12:12] <freecraft> cmatheson, :)
[12:12] <ABRAXAS77> is there any method tostart with live cd with kde and not gnome?
[12:12] <din> Stan__, lspci | grep -i ethernet
[12:12] <cmatheson> freecraft: i would still try to find some other way of getting the sources (at work or a library or something)... the ubuntu packages aren't made w/ debian in mind
[12:12] <spec> hey -- libexpat1 is corrupted on ubuntu's main servers
[12:12] <ABRAXAS77> plzz
[12:12] <Stan__> din, type that in two lines?
[12:13] <din> type what in 2 lines?
[12:13] <din> one sec, on the phone with dell
[12:13] <jaross_> I already did: anyone know how to make it so that the wek key does not expeire after like 24 hours in linux?
[12:13] <Stan__> din, i thought the | was a seperator, nvm
[12:13] <seth_k> no Stan__ it's a pipe
[12:13] <QaDeS> hiyas :oD
[12:13] <ABRAXAS77> heeeeeeeeeeeeello
[12:14] <aurax> hi
[12:14] <ABRAXAS77> is there any method tostart with live cd with kde and not gnome?
[12:14] <freecraft> ABRAXAS77, isn't that Kubuntu?
[12:14] <QaDeS> has anybody ever done a dist-upgrade from sarge to hoary?
[12:15] <ABRAXAS77> freecraft, yes but i have already ubuntu
[12:15] <freecraft> ABRAXAS77, ubuntu comes without kde enviroment
[12:15] <Fandango170> Hello
[12:15] <ABRAXAS77> freecraft,  shit
[12:15] <freecraft> ABRAXAS77, why?
[12:16] <BatsotO> does anyone knows how to copy text or image from postscript file?
[12:16] <ABRAXAS77> freecraft,  i wanted kde
[12:16] <jcoxon> evening all
[12:17] <ABRAXAS77> thank freecraft  good luck
[12:17] <jaross_> anyone know how to make the wep key in linux not expire?
[12:19] <Stan__> din, should i try e-mailing Linksys Tech Support?
[12:19] <cyphase> Go to http://cyphase.homelinux.com/blog/2005/07/07/explosions-in-london/ to comment about the London Attacks
[12:20] <freecraft> cyphase, comment?
[12:20] <Stan__> cyphase, spam?
[12:22] <jaross_> anyone know how to make the wep key not expire in linux?
[12:22] <cyphase> comment
[12:22] <cyphase> oll
[12:22] <cyphase> lol*
[12:22] <jsimmons> what's the super-secret code string for mounting a vfat partition so I can write to it?
[12:23] <Strife> mount
[12:23] <freecraft> jsimmons, 'users, rw' ?
[12:24] <jsimmons> i have this right now...   /dev/hdb6	/media/win_g 	vfat 	auto,users,rw,gid=users 0 0
[12:24] <jsimmons> and i can't write to it
[12:24] <freecraft> jsimmons, and umask=0777 i think
[12:24] <freecraft> jsimmons, or umask=0222
[12:25] <QMario> Does Samba need a desktop configuration to run?
[12:27] <freecraft> QMario, what is "desktop configuration" ?
[12:27] <QMario> GNOME or KDE?
[12:27] <mjr> samba does not need that
[12:27] <Stan__> din, gave up on me?
[12:28] <flogiston> Hi, what command does show were the nouse is mounted? like in /dev/mouse /dev/tty00
[12:28] <QMario> Mjr, I can't see my computer in my network, when I installed samba as a server.
[12:28] <jaross_> anyone know how to make the wep key not expire in linux?
[12:28] <mjr> QMario, well, I don't have much samba experience, so I can't help you with that, but I do know it doesn't require any desktop
[12:29] <freecraft> jaross_, looks like nobody knows, try google maybe?
[12:29] <ZeRoCo0L> ciao ragazzi...sapete come posso installare i plugin di wma su ubuntu???
[12:29] <freecraft> flogiston, check the /etc/X11/XF86Config file?
[12:30] <jsimmons> hmmm, still not working
[12:30] <flogiston> Ime using xorg
[12:30] <QMario> Oh, okay. Thank You. :)
[12:30] <freecraft> jsimmons, strange, try writting as super user?
[12:30] <Groverman> flogiston, ls -la /dev/input
[12:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm vmware might be god for gaming?
[12:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> on low res games?
[12:31] <freecraft> ChurcH_of_FoamY, hardly. use wine(x)
[12:31] <cmatheson> flogiston: you don't "mount" a mouse... it depends on what kind you have ttySx for serial /dev/psaux for ps2, /dev/input/mice for usb, etc.
[12:31] <cmatheson> ChurcH_of_FoamY: maybe not... not unless you have a supercomputer at your house
[12:31] <Groverman> flogiston, mine is a ps2 mouse that resides at /dev/input/mouse0
[12:31] <flogiston> Thanks cmatheson.
[12:32] <cmatheson> flogiston: no problem
[12:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have something close ^_^
[12:32] <flogiston> I rememdered now that it was psaux.
[12:32] <cmatheson> ChurcH_of_FoamY: haha, ok, go at it then...
[12:32] <ed1t> flogiston, isnt it inverse? PS2 is /dev/psaux? and serial is /dev/input/mouse?
[12:32] <langela> hello
[12:32] <flogiston> What do you mean?
[12:32] <crimsun_> /dev/input/mice covers all, ed1t
[12:32] <ed1t> ooo k
[12:32] <Groverman> hi langela
[12:33] <langela> do you know how can i configure my hs psc 1210 impress and scaner ???
[12:33] <mcdenyer> whats the coolest free linux game that isnt hard to set up?
[12:34] <cmatheson> mcdenyer: nethack
[12:34] <ed1t> langela, look for the drivers on HP site, they might have it
[12:34] <|grunt|> mcdenyer, free? :D
[12:34] <mcdenyer> lol
[12:34] <mcdenyer> ok ty
[12:34] <cmatheson> langela: check out xsane
[12:34] <rasputnik> mcdenyer: compiling kernels
[12:34] <cyphase> #anything
[12:34] <mcdenyer> ?
[12:34] <langela> ed1t : ok, thanks, I'll see
[12:34] <Groverman> mcdenyer, i am hooked on armagetron
[12:34] <ed1t> np
[12:35] <rasputnik> or frozen bubble
[12:35] <cmatheson> mcdenyer: my friend pointed out noiz2sa to me, it's pretty rad
[12:35] <|grunt|> mcdenyer, try Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory
[12:35] <cmatheson> mcdenyer: maelstrom is ok
[12:35] <mcdenyer> any multiplayers?
[12:36] <|grunt|> Yes, again Enemy Territory :D
[12:36] <rasputnik> cmatheson: you can get that for linux? wicked
[12:36] <Groverman> |grunt|, it rocks :-)
[12:36] <|grunt|> yeah, hehe
[12:36] <Discipulus> freecraft, is there a free version of wine(x) available?
[12:37] <freecraft> Discipulus, afaik, it is free if you download source code
[12:37] <blah> anybody else having problems with apt-get or synaptic?
[12:37] <freecraft> Discipulus, also you can find it 100% using some p2p network
[12:37] <Discipulus> freecraft, got a link?
[12:37] <freecraft> blah, all beginners have problems with that :)
[12:37] <blah> ya but im not a beginner,
[12:38] <blah> novice now hehe
[12:38] <freecraft> Discipulus, nope :) search it by some p2p client
[12:38] <Discipulus> kk
[12:38] <benplaut> blah: what's your problem? :)
[12:38] <blah> so is anybody else not getting synaptic to work?
[12:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm vmware seems to be more ov a computer hog >.<
[12:39] <benplaut> what do you mean by not working
[12:39] <blah> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gnet/libgnet2.0-0_2.0.4-1_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[12:39] <blah> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[12:39] <benplaut> does the program not open, or...
[12:39] <benplaut> oh
[12:39] <blah> md5sum mismatch
[12:39] <benplaut> somebody was complaining of this earlier
[12:39] <crimsun_> blah, try another mirror, like ca.archive or se.archive
[12:40] <crimsun_> blah, or just plain archive instead
[12:40] <blah> whats wrong withthe us archive?
[12:40] <Groverman> blah, not ver stable
[12:40] <Groverman> ver=very
[12:41] <blah> ok, ill log into root and change my apt sources to just archive then
[12:41] <blah> x
[12:42] <blah> still there?
[12:42] <Groverman> i have no problems with the us.archive at the moment though
[12:43] <aurax> how can i remove postfix from the system without removing ubuntu-base etc
[12:44] <aurax> anyone ?
[12:46] <Groverman> aurax, they should not be tied to eachother
[12:46] <aurax> they are
[12:47] <Magalas_79> hi all
[12:47] <aurax> root      8653  0.0  2.0  18296 10480 ?        S    Jul07   0:03 /usr/lib/gnome-panel/wnck-applet --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:Groot      8655  0.0  1.7  17840  8656 ?        S    Jul07   0:00 /usr/lib/gnome-panel/clock-applet --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:root      8657  0.0  1.9  19408 10044 ?        S    Jul07   0:00 /usr/lib/gnome-applets
[12:47] <aurax> oops
[12:47] <aurax> sorry
[12:47] <freecraft> hii iiik. too much vodka this day
[12:47] <cyphase> test
[12:47] <Groverman> postfix are tied to: anacron, at, lsb, laimx, muss, postfix-tls
[12:47] <poofsitypha> Should rythym box play net streaming mp3s from soma fm from the basic unbuntu cd install...
[12:48] <aurax> apt-get remove postfix
[12:48] <aurax> thats what i get.
[12:48] <rasputnik> aurax: removing ubuntu-base won't break anything
[12:48] <aurax> you sure ?
[12:48] <Magalas_79> i'm searching about defacement
[12:48] <freecraft> dear friends, can I order ubuntu DVD ?
[12:48] <Groverman> rasputnik, is ubuntu-base just a dummy like ubuntu-desktop?
[12:49] <rasputnik> aurax: I'm pretty sure it's a meta-package, it does'nt install anything, just lists dependencies
[12:49] <rasputnik> Groverman: hope so yeah :)
[12:49] <jf6> bonjour!
[12:49] <aurax> hmmm
[12:49] <Groverman> The Ubuntu base system
[12:49] <Groverman> This package depends on all of the packages in the Ubuntu base system.
[12:49] <Groverman> It is safe to remove this package if some of the base system packages are not
[12:49] <Groverman> desired.  However, it is recommended that you keep it installed, because it is
[12:49] <Groverman> used to carry out certain upgrade transitions (such as adding new packages to
[12:49] <Groverman> the system).
[12:49] <jf6> il est tot le matin
[12:49] <jf6> et les enfants dorment encore!
[12:49] <Groverman> yep - safe rto remove!
[12:49] <aurax> well if it get fucked it will get me some time to come back and shout @ ya
[12:49] <rasputnik> aurax: just leave postfix in. postfix is nice.
[12:49] <blah> strange , i changed deb sources to ca.debian, and im still getting a message saying us archives md5sum mismatch
[12:49] <rasputnik> aaargh
[12:49] <aurax> nah.
[12:50] <aurax> im installing kolab
[12:50] <rasputnik> wassat?
[12:50] <aurax> www.kolab.org
[12:50] <rasputnik> groupware? yek
[12:50] <aurax> groupware
[12:50] <aurax> jah
[12:50] <aurax> fo work
[12:50] <aurax> ;)
[12:50] <ateves> hji, i just installed mldonkey-server via apt. but how can i start it?
[12:51] <blah> apt-get is still wanting to install from us servers, even tho i edited it to ca.
[12:51] <crimsun_> blah, did you sudo apt-get update first?
[12:51] <blah> yes
[12:51] <aurax> ateves : cd / | rm *
[12:51] <Groverman> blah, apt-get update
[12:51] <rasputnik> actually we are stuck with groupwise (novell) at work and it rilly stinks.
[12:51] <blah> I did that
[12:51] <tsauter> hi all
[12:51] <aurax> :p
[12:51] <rasputnik> So badly they are even thinking of M Sexchange
[12:51] <aurax> exchange is gay
[12:51] <tsauter> is there a netinst image for ubuntu available?
[12:51] <aurax> but the concept of sharing stuff
[12:51] <aurax> is sweet
[12:51] <crimsun_> blah, are you sure? The fact that apt is trying to retrieve from your "old" archive is a telling point.
[12:51] <rasputnik> aurax: well, duh :)
[12:51] <blah> yep i ran sudo apt-get update
[12:51] <aurax> but m$ Yewk
[12:52] <aurax> it costs around 150$ per server for 5 users
[12:52] <aurax> loads of shit
[12:52] <blah> its still updating us server
[12:52] <aurax> with all that s3cr3t RPC codes
[12:52] <rasputnik> aurax: personally I like imap and maybe ical, anything else is too much like management BS for me
[12:52] <aurax> jah, true
[12:52] <aurax> its full of bs
[12:52] <aurax> but when u see the result, its pretty cool
[12:52] <aurax> check www.toltec.co.za
[12:52] <crimsun_> blah, did you change _all_ us.archive references to archive?
[12:52] <aurax> i think its .za or .az south africa
[12:52] <ateves> monkey
[12:53] <rasputnik> aurax: however we are going to have to support one anyway, so I'll see if they fancy kolab
[12:53] <blah> ok i didnt change all the references sorry
[12:53] <aurax> kolab is the only working package that dont ask for $$$
[12:53] <aurax> opengroupware is java based
[12:53] <aurax> totaly gay
[12:54] <aurax> concider that kolab is pre-configured package so simple to install..
[12:54] <aurax> bitchx is ugly bitch
[12:55] <aurax> where is my mirc
[12:55] <rasputnik> toltec is a connetor that lets lookout talk to kolab then?
[12:55] <aurax> yep
[12:55] <blah> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[12:55] <blah> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[12:55] <blah> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[12:55] <blah> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[12:55] <blah> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[12:55] <blah> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[12:55] <blah> deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[12:55] <blah> deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[12:55] <aurax> you set permissions on one side, integrate it with the server, and you roll
[12:55] <aurax> blah stfu
[12:55] <blah> ## Backports
[12:55] <blah> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:55] <blah> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[12:55] <rasputnik> aurax: we don't need that, the client we have is a piece of crap anyway
[12:55] <blah> suck my dick bitch
[12:55] <aurax> !tell blah about being a homosexual
[12:55] <maswan> hey
[12:55] <maswan> be nice?
[12:56] <blah> you want my dick in your mouth, you know it
[12:56] <rasputnik> blah: jeez pack it in
[12:56] <aurax> no
[12:56] <jaross> here is the situation.  My wireless works fine for about 24 hours and then it just stops.  As soon as i type int he wep key again, it starts back up.  How can i fix this?
[12:56] <aurax> maswan -> fag?
[12:56] <|grunt|> aurox don't be a naughty boy
[12:56] <rasputnik> wow i really feel like helping you now mate
[12:56] <|grunt|> ubuntu is known for it's mild community
[12:56] <maswan> aurax: that seems fairly unrelated to niceness
[12:56] <aurax> thats seems fairly related to you being ass
[12:56] <blah> well to me its known as a buggy distro
[12:56] <Groverman> jaross, maybe you have a time-limit in your accesspoint/router
[12:56] <aurax> same goes for mr. blahblah
[12:57] <aurax> ;p
[12:57] <aurax> blah...
[12:57] <|grunt|> yes, you to blah
[12:57] <|grunt|> now shake hands
[12:57] <Morbo> i got a D-link DWL-G650M (mimo) that wont work... lspci says its an unknown Ethernet controller form Atheros. any ideas?
[12:57] <aurax> rofl
[12:57] <jaross> Groverman, I do not becuase I have 2 windows computers and one mac that continue to get wireless internet from the same router...
[12:57] <blah> ill bitch slap the little boy
[12:57] <BatsotO> does anyone knows how to copy text or image from postscript file?
[12:57] <lumberjack> how do i mount with umask=000
[12:57] <aurax> blah, watch out ill send maswan to ass rape yew !
[12:57] <aurax> :P
[12:57] <aurax> hehe
[12:58] <Groverman> jaross, good. at least you know it is connected to this one machine.
[12:58] <blah> is he your butt buddy?
[12:58] <blah> nice of you to share
[12:58] <aurax> weee, are we funny today
[12:58] <aurax> hehe
[12:58] <rasputnik> girls, take it outside
[12:58] <jaross> yes, i know that for a fact
[12:58] <aurax> rasputnik u mean inside
[12:59] <blah> takes his big 10 inch outside::((
[12:59] <lumberjack> isnt it like sudo mount /dev/hda /blah/blah umask=000
[12:59] <ajmitch> aurax, blah: stop this now
[12:59] <aurax> w
[12:59] <aurax> now even
[12:59] <blah> aurax has cum breath me thinks
[01:00] <|grunt|> oh oh, you've done it now
[01:00] <|grunt|> too late, but well deserved =)
[01:00] <aurax> hehe, common.
[01:00] <aurax> kids...
[01:00] <rasputnik> ircname: root ? haha
[01:00] <chris24tn> hi, folks. i have an odd (and probably horribly newb) question: is there an easy way to move a panel?  I moved my top panel to the right, and now it blew my icons up HUGE, and I can't right-click on the panel to change it's properties, and I can't drag it up to the top.
[01:01] <chris24tn> how can I get it back to the top?
[01:01] <|grunt|> why can't you right click on it?
[01:02] <chris24tn> that's what i'm saying
[01:02] <|grunt|> is there no space to right click on it?
[01:02] <rasputnik> chris24tn: but why? are the icons too big or something?
[01:02] <chris24tn> when i moved it over, my applications menus and such are up at the top, then it immediately goes to HUGE icons (4 of them), and after that the rest of the bar
[01:02] <chris24tn> can't right click on anything that is the panel itself, i've thuroughly checked the whole bar
[01:03] <chris24tn> the icons are like 90-100 pixels wide
[01:03] <jf6> hey
[01:03] <jf6> problem
[01:03] <chris24tn> nm, figured it out: had to delete a couple of icons, to get some free (blank) panel space
[01:03] <chris24tn> now i can change it back
[01:03] <craz3d> Anybody know anything about dx9wine, like where I could get it, or if it is in-fact WineCVS?
[01:03] <chris24tn> will have to re-add those icons, tho
[01:04] <chris24tn> if i submit that as a bug report, do you think anyone would take me seriously?
[01:04] <|grunt|> you can do that, but I'm not sure if it's a bug
[01:04] <bimberi> chris24tn: I was going to suggest that but it's such a kludgy solution - surely there's a better way
[01:04] <maswan> chris24tn: well, probalby, yes. it does seem like a usability issue
[01:04] <chris24tn> exactly
[01:05] <chris24tn> um...how do i submit a bug report? i mean, gnome is huge, is there a person or list or something i should send gui useability issues to?
[01:05] <rasputnik> chris24tn: I think you could have tweaked something in 'configuration editor' - it has loads of settings for the panel
[01:05] <chris24tn> hmm
[01:06] <rasputnik> chris24tn: I remember the first ever gnome beta back on the 2.0 kernels. It stank, the panel expanded to eat your screen several times a day
[01:06] <chris24tn> rasputnik, that's still not intuitive or simple, which is something i think ubuntu works towards
[01:06] <chris24tn> rasputnik, lol. they've come a very long way,t rue
[01:07] <rasputnik> chris24tn: no, it's a bug for definite. you should google for 'gnome usability project', they do exist
[01:10] <andrewlightstar> Hello all I'm having a bit of problem compiling a custom kernel. I configured, compiled the kernel and modules, and installed both, and put the kernel in grub. when it boots I get a kernel panic where it can't find "modules.dep" in /lib/modules/2.6.10 I checked the file was there and ext3 is compuled as part of the kernel. can any one help?
[01:10] <|grunt|> Ladies and gentlemen, it's been fun, but unfortuantely I have to hit the sack. Thank you very much, and don't forget to tip your waitress.
[01:12] <rasputnik> andrewlightstar: are you sure it's looking in the filesystem and not your initrd?
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> andrewlightstar : make the keren option * not M, ie, dont make it a module
[01:13] <andrewlightstar> well I did build an initrd iimage as well
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> also, make sure you got the correct block devices compiled in, ie, support for your hard disk
[01:13] <monteiro> my disc is running low, anyone knows tips to get it faster ?
[01:14] <lsuactiafner> #kernel may also help
[01:14] <lsuactiafner> monteiro : linux disk/filesystem doesnt get fragmented, if dma is enabled its runnin as fast as it can run
[01:14] <inemo> Monteiro: WD40 ;)
 ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support... look under those options andrewlightstar
[01:15] <monteiro> inemo : i've a seagate 7200 rpm
[01:15] <ReD_inThe_sKy> can i get dc++ to linux (or something like it)??
[01:15] <jf6> WHO love ME?
[01:15] <monteiro> lsuactiafner : but my mouse has glintches
[01:15] <hajiki> are OTF files fonts?
[01:15] <lsuactiafner> andrewlightstar : if you are new to kernel i suggest to take a .config from your distrobution, and remove options you are sure you dont need
[01:15] <inemo> Monteiro: WD-40 can make anything go faster :/
[01:16] <andrewlightstar> lsuactiafner: thanks I'll take a look at that... thanks to Rasputnik
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> work from there, remove part for part, test and remove more
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> andrewlightstar : ccache, install it and read man ccache to enable it
[01:16] <andrewlightstar> actuly I've used a lot of distros, and never run into this problem...
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> will save you time when you recompile
[01:16] <monteiro> inemo : what is WD40 ?
[01:16] <monteiro> inemo : never heard about it
[01:17] <monteiro> inemo : it's an hardware ? like scuzzy ?
[01:17] <inemo> Monteiro: teflon like lubricant, comes in a spray can
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> western digital
[01:17] <LokeDK> After I've installed KDE, the fonts in whole gnome is more.. bad shaped.. what can I do?
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> works well..
[01:17] <andrewlightstar> used to be a RH man  untill I found ubuntu
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> i get around 50mb/s on my sata WD
[01:18] <monteiro> lsuactiafner : i'm using gnome
[01:18] <andrewlightstar> thanks guys... got to reboot and see what I can do :-)
[01:18] <monteiro> lsuactiafner : i get 20 mb/s with a seagate 7200 rpm
[01:18] <lsuactiafner> monteiro : what are you on about?
[01:18] <monteiro> :(
[01:18] <lsuactiafner> i missed what you asked...
[01:18] <blah> yaahhh i got apt-get working again, thanks to all who helped
[01:19] <monteiro> lsuactiafner : i was asking about increasing the speed of the disk, i think that is relationed with my stop freeezes all the time when the memory passes to swap.l
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> monteiro : make sure there aint a bottleneck somewhere else, like over the lan to a windows share i get 3mb/s but between 2 linux pcs i get 10mb (encryped) and between my own two disks 50m/s
[01:19] <inemo> Monteiro: http://www.wd40.com/ ;)
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> monteiro : how much ram you got and how much is used? free -mt
[01:20] <lsuactiafner> chances are you aint even usin your swap @ all
[01:20] <monteiro> Mem:           250        246          3
[01:20] <monteiro> Swap:         1992         40       1951
[01:20] <monteiro>              total       used       free
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> dude get more ram, and your swap is too big, should be only 1G
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> if your swap is too big it could also cause bottlenecks (though i might be wrong on that one)
[01:22] <lsuactiafner> gnome is heavy on ram, try fluxbox or blackbox instead
[01:22] <uniq> xfce is nice.
[01:22] <lsuactiafner> i dont think your h/d is the bottleneck, how much cache does your h/d have?
[01:22] <monteiro> lsuactiafner : maybe you're right about the size, bigger the size , bigger the use
[01:23] <lsuactiafner> if only a 2m/b cache it might explain slow h/d speed
[01:23] <monteiro> uniq : but i like gnome :P why i've RIMS why ??
[01:23] <lsuactiafner> i got a 1G swap i never use.
[01:23] <Stan_> anyone know how to remove the power input from an internal CD drive?
[01:23] <monteiro> lsuactiafner : you advise me 512 mb of swap ?
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> monteiro : gnome is bloated, it will cause your pc to run slower. gnome eats ram like no other
[01:24] <uniq> monteiro: gnome should run just fine on 256MB ram, just make sure you have DMA enabled on the harddrive.
[01:24] <monteiro> uniq : i've dma enabled
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> monteiro : 1G max
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> 512 might be small on your system..
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> 512 minimum and 1G max
[01:25] <uniq> monteiro: then it should run just fine, you could split your swap space into two partitions. would make it more efficient, but i doubt it will give you a extreme performance boost.
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> sysctl -a | grep swap
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> but playin with sysctl aint a good idea....
[01:26] <monteiro> uniq : you mean 512 mb each ?
[01:27] <uniq> monteiro: yes. just split your current swapspace into two partitions.
[01:27] <monteiro> uniq : okey
[01:27] <monteiro> uniq : in cfdisk
[01:28] <uniq> monteiro: i doubt it will give you very much of a performance boost, but you could try if you don't have anything else to do :)
[01:28] <monteiro> well, i've an exam tomorrow, but i'm aproved in that discipline :P
[01:29] <Lucar> join #debian
[01:31] <Kyral> What is the plugin needed to let Beep play FLAC files?
[01:31] <Kyral> nm
[01:32] <cozzo> so... how often do you see noobs show up?
[01:32] <seth_k> all the time cozzo
[01:32] <seth_k> that's what we're here to do, is help
[01:33] <seth_k> new users and veterans alike
[01:33] <cozzo> :P kind of a retorical question eh :P
[01:33] <Kyral> Not work in Beep!
[01:33] <cozzo> linksys WPC11
[01:33] <cozzo> HP pavilion N5415
[01:33] <Wanderson> ALGUMA GATINHA NA FITA
[01:33] <Wanderson> EU NAO FALO INGLS
[01:34] <Wanderson> E AGORA
[01:34] <cozzo> the card no workie... suggestions?
[01:34] <Wanderson> I'dont speak english
[01:34] <ajmitch> Wanderson: english in here, please :)
[01:34] <Wanderson> eu nao falo ingles
[01:34] <Wanderson> espanish
[01:34] <blah> then get out
[01:34] <Wanderson> fock you
[01:35] <ajmitch> there may be an #ubuntu-es
[01:35] <seth_k> blah, that's not necessary. Wanderson: #ubuntu-es
[01:35] <concept10> blah, dont do that
[01:35] <blah> fock you tooooo lol
[01:35] <ajmitch> blah: don't
[01:35] <concept10> blah, apologize
[01:35] <blah> fock you
[01:35] <Wanderson> help please
[01:35] <concept10> lol
[01:35] <Wanderson> lol
[01:35] <seth_k> Wanderson: #ubuntu-es
[01:35] <concept10> Wanderson, goto #ubuntu-es
[01:36] <Wanderson> how?
[01:36] <cozzo> yeah... so it's a wireless 802.11B card. everything else seems to be working just fine
[01:36] <Quest-Master> Wanderson: /join #ubuntu-es
[01:36] <Wanderson> brazilian
[01:36] <Wanderson> you speak portugueses
[01:37] <bob2> Wanderson: /j #ubuntu-br
[01:37] <Wanderson> waman
[01:37] <blah> hai bob
[01:37] <Quest-Master> Wanderson: /join #ubuntu-br
[01:37] <chris24tn> ok, so i'm still having trouble getting the sound to work on my sound blaster audigy 2 zs
[01:38] <ajmitch> morning bob2
[01:38] <seth_k> chris24tn: have you unmuted the analog/digital out?
[01:38] <chris24tn> however, i think it's at least partially due to the fact that the sigmatel sound on my ati tv-wonder is being picked up first
[01:38] <bob2> hey ajmitch
[01:38] <chris24tn> seth_k, i have through the volume control panel widget, but is there a better way to do it?
[01:38] <Wanderson> ai tem alguem afim de tc de ingles para portugues
[01:38] <seth_k> chris24tn: try http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=329208
[01:39] <chris24tn> thnx, seth_k
[01:40] <seth_k> chris24tn: no worries. if it doesn't work, we can try some other ways but that should work.
[01:40] <Lucar> alguem pode dar um help de como adicionar um impresso windows no ubuntu ???
[01:40] <Wanderson> tem portugues na fita
[01:41] <chris24tn> woot woot!!
[01:41] <chris24tn> lol that was it
[01:41] <chris24tn> took me forever to find that, too
[01:41] <seth_k> :)
[01:41] <seth_k> !audigy
[01:41] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, seth_k
[01:41] <LokeDK> How do I switch anti-aliasing on? kde ruined it
[01:41] <bob2> Wanderson: por favor use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em portugues.
[01:41] <bob2> Lucar: por favor use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em portugues.
[01:41] <LokeDK> and I've even removed kde
[01:41] <chris24tn> ahh, ic
[01:42] <mjr> LokeDK, try desktop preferences/fonts
[01:42] <caonex> My gnome session sometimes kicks me out and sometimes the computer restarts by itself, where would be a good log to look for the errors producing these?
[01:42] <seth_k> ubotu audigy is muted by default in Ubuntu. To unmute, type alsamixer and find Audigy Analog/Digital Out. Select it and press M to unmute. Then type sudo alsactl store to save your settings.
[01:42] <ubotu> seth_k: okay
[01:42] <chris24tn> the analog/digital switch that i needed to unmute wasn't displayed by the volume control widget by default, and when i try to enable it volume manager crashes
[01:42] <mjr> LokeDK, if that fails, sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[01:42] <chris24tn> think i should submit that as a bug, also?
[01:42] <LokeDK> mjr, I've tried.. it has no affect at all
[01:42] <seth_k> chris24tn: known bug
[01:42] <LokeDK> k thx.. i will try that
[01:42] <ReD_inThe_sKy> can i get dc++ ?
[01:42] <chris24tn> ah, cool
[01:42] <ReD_inThe_sKy> in synaptic?
[01:42] <Groverman> night all
[01:43] <LokeDK> mjr, shall I enable bitmapped fonts?
[01:44] <cozzo> I, will be back tommrow when I have more time
[01:44] <cozzo> later
[01:44] <seth_k> ReD_inThe_sKy: it is not in Synaptic to my knowledge. It *may* be in backports
[01:45] <Morbo> ReD_inThe_sKy, no dc in synaptic, but nice guid for install on the forums...
[01:45] <chris24tn> as always, there's so much changing ;)  i'm suprised, though. for a free distro, ubuntu has a good deal of "polish"
[01:49] <neXus> ji
[01:50] <LokeDK> fonts are still ugly.. I have restarted gnome.. didn't help to reconfigure it
[01:52] <DeFi> is there a boodisk image for ubuntu somewhere?
[01:53] <DeFi> like for a floppy
[01:53] <Aerebus> can someone help me? i installed a different video card other than the one i installed ubuntu with and now when i startup my linux box its telling me it cant start the X environment (graphical thing) and i need to correct the problem
[01:54] <prudence_> test
[01:55] <seth_k> Aerebus: the easiest way is to, in a terminal, type 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[01:55] <Aerebus> that should fix it?
[01:55] <seth_k> Aerebus: that will redetect your video card settings, yes.
[01:56] <holycow> *chirp*
[01:56] <Aerebus> cool ty lemme try it
[01:58] <Victus> hey does anyone know how to enable evolution to display images in the email?
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> Victus: it just does
[01:58] <HrdwrBoB> click on the arrow with the picture in it
[01:59] <Victus> ok but I got an email jpgs and it has empty boxes with red diamonds where the pic should be
[01:59] <jose> hi
[01:59] <jose> anyone available??
[01:59] <Kyral> yah
[01:59] <b_e_n_z> any xen howto for ubuntu?
[02:00] <seth_k> jose: we're all here, just ask your question :)
[02:00] <jose> i have a problem with ubuntu and pcmcia wireless card
[02:00] <TokenBad> if i paste something in flood can someone tell me what it means?
[02:00] <seth_k> TokenBad: go for it
[02:00] <seth_k> use the pastebin though
[02:00] <seth_k> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:00] <Walkman> Hello people! I was looking for any help with setting up Eclipse 3.1 under Ubuntu 5.04
[02:01] <TokenBad> oops
[02:01] <jose> got mi question?
[02:01] <b_e_n_z> Walkman, huh? just download eclipse and ./eclipse?
[02:01] <Kyral> Why doesn't it work? Is it detected?
[02:01] <seth_k> Walkman: the Eclipse people have precompiled binaries that should work just fine
[02:01] <jose> okay, as soon as i plug it, ubuntu freezes
[02:02] <seth_k> Walkman: Eclipse 3.1 just entered Breezy :) so it'll be in Synaptic for Ubuntu 5.10
[02:02] <Kyral> have you tried booting with it in?
[02:02] <Walkman> Well, it does not work. I do not know why, but it should, I know ... Eclipse is written in pure Java
[02:02] <Aerebus> could you type that command one more time for me plz?
[02:02] <jose> when starts pcmcia services it freezes too
[02:02] <Aerebus> the one to have ubuntu redetect the video settings
[02:02] <TokenBad> seth_k, ok its posted to the pastebin
[02:02] <b_e_n_z> Walkman, which jvm do you use
[02:03] <seth_k> TokenBad: ack, no idea
[02:03] <Kyral> hmm
[02:03] <TokenBad> it happens when running a game..
[02:03] <TokenBad> and the game crashes
[02:03] <TokenBad> but only after the first level
[02:04] <Walkman> I am not sure, but I've just added sun 1.5 upd 4 using the method provided on wiki.ubuntu.com/java
[02:04] <b_e_n_z> Walkman, type "java -version"
[02:04] <ilba7r> i am running linux and want to connect to a windows pc. The windows pc has a private ip address so what should i type in ssh to connect to it?
[02:05] <b_e_n_z> ilba7r, ssh <private ip>?
[02:05] <Walkman> I'm not quite good with NetBeans 4.1, but NB 4.1 works fine.
[02:05] <b_e_n_z> ilba7r, is sshd running on winblows though
[02:05] <ilba7r> b_e_n_z yes it is running on windows
[02:05] <Walkman> Well ... it shows Sun Java 1.5
[02:06] <ed1t> what are disklets?
[02:06] <ilba7r> b_e_n_z my problem is get a message can not connect to host pc
[02:06] <b_e_n_z> Walkman, what is the error you get when you ./eclipse?
[02:06] <cyphase> why is firefox randomly turning off every once in a while?
[02:06] <cyphase> lol
[02:06] <b_e_n_z> ilba7r, can you even ping the windows machine?
[02:06] <ilba7r> b_e_n_z and i am a newbie do not know what ip address should i type in
[02:06] <ilba7r> b_e_n_z no
[02:06] <Walkman> It does not start at all
[02:07] <b_e_n_z> ilba7r, then you have a networking problem... fix that first i guess
[02:07] <b_e_n_z> Walkman, not even a single error message?
[02:07] <ilba7r> b_e_n_z i am not directly connected to the windows pc and i want to know how can i do it on the internet
[02:08] <babyfire> hola
[02:08] <ak37> ilba7r, Maybe you need to do ssh tunneling
[02:08] <ilba7r> b_e_n_z it is not connected to me through lan
[02:08] <babyfire> check it out people really do speak on freenode
[02:08] <Walkman> Well ... I'll have to reconstruct that situation, because I've used 3.1RC3 version instead of 3.1
[02:08] <babyfire> will some one help me pretty please
[02:09] <ilba7r> ak37 is there a webpage that might teach me how to do tunneling
[02:09] <ak37> ilba7r, Wait a sec, let me google it. I once got a bookmark of one, but it's on my Windows machine
[02:09] <babyfire> and tell me where to go to so i can understand how to open up tar.gz files
[02:10] <babyfire> i am lame
[02:10] <ilba7r> ak37 ok
[02:10] <babyfire> i just installed this thing
[02:10] <babyfire> is htere a instuction book
[02:10] <ak37> babyfire, use tar -xzf filename.tar.gz
[02:10] <babyfire> i type that where
[02:11] <babyfire> please dont hate me too bad
[02:11] <Kyral> Terminal
[02:11] <ak37> babyfire: open a terminal, type it in the same folder as the file
[02:13] <HaroldJohnson> Daniels: Hello.  I've in the process of upgrading to Hoary from Warty; I've changed the source.list file, ran an apt-get update, and then apt-get dist-upgrade.  Is there anything else I need to do to fully upgrade to Hoary?
[02:14] <ak37> ilba7r, try this. It's short, but might help http://csociety.ecn.purdue.edu/~sigos/projects/ssh/forwarding/#port
[02:14] <Kyral> HaroldJohnson, not that I can think of
[02:14] <nalioth> babyfire: go to the terminal and type "man tar"
[02:14] <HaroldJohnson> Kyral: Thank you.
[02:14] <hajiki> reboot and log-in
[02:14] <nalioth> howdy y'all
[02:15] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: sounds to me like you've dont it
[02:15] <nalioth> crap
[02:15] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: you done it, now ya just gotta configure your bootx
[02:15] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Got it
[02:15] <ilba7r> ak37 thanx
[02:16] <ak37> np
[02:16] <nalioth> where is everybody?
[02:16] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Let's hope that's it.  This type of upgrade upgrades the kernel, too doesn't it?  It looks to be the same name/version, though.
[02:17] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: you will need to move your kernel and the other thing so taht bootx can find them
[02:17] <budluva> can someone tell me why when i try to open http://localhost/testphp.php which is supposed to show phpinfo() that it asks me to save to disk?
[02:17] <ak37> budluva: have you installed php?
[02:17] <budluva> yes
[02:17] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Okay.  Yeah, I've been doing that with every reboot after an apt-get upgrade.
[02:17] <luakagon> hey whats the bare minimum for an ubuntu installation?
[02:17] <nalioth> budluva: becauase your browser doesnt know its sposed to dislay php
[02:17] <mjr> budluva, perchance you might want to spesify the mime type in your php script
[02:17] <digitalfox|FC> uh
[02:17] <nalioth> luakagon: bare minimum what?
[02:18] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Back in awhile, hopefully
[02:18] <digitalfox|FC> browsers don't handle whether it's PHP or not
[02:18] <digitalfox|FC> it's server-sie
[02:18] <digitalfox|FC> side*
[02:18] <ak37> ilba7r: here is another website, it's more like a tutorial: http://mc5.dyndns.org/doc/ssh/ssh_tricks.html
[02:18] <digitalfox|FC> PHP outputs HTML to the client
[02:18] <digitalfox|FC> the server executes it
[02:18] <mjr> like header("Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8"); for example
[02:18] <luakagon> the bare minimum system
[02:18] <budluva> nalioth, well i have added a couple of lines to my apache2.conf, AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
[02:18] <luakagon> this one has 64MB RAM, 6 gigs and a pentium ii processor
[02:18] <budluva> nalioth, also a line for .phps
[02:18] <luakagon> I dont know its processor hertz
[02:18] <ak37> budluva: tried to restart apache?
[02:19] <babyfire> is there a index of commands somewhere
[02:19] <babyfire> anywhere
[02:19] <budluva> ak37, many times
[02:19] <nalioth> luakagon: ya got it goin on
[02:19] <luakagon> babyfire, heres an idea
[02:19] <nalioth> luakagon: you'll be fine
[02:19] <luakagon> dammit
[02:19] <luakagon> theres a $PATH environment variable but I dont know how to get it displayed
[02:19] <luakagon> it lists where all your commands are that you type
[02:20] <ak37> budluva, if you recieve the file, what is the content of it?
[02:20] <uniq> luakagon: from a terminal 'echo $PATH'
[02:20] <nalioth> budluva: i dont know how to make the browser render php
[02:20] <luakagon> oh wait, just hit tab,tab,y and that should do it, but itll make your screen overflow
[02:20] <ak37> luakagon: try 'env' to see all environment variable
[02:20] <LokeDK> I removed gnome's tray by an accident.. how do I get it back?
[02:21] <budluva> ak37, <?php phpinfo(); ?>
[02:21] <luakagon> babyfire, you can 'ls' each and every path listed by 'echo $PATH'
[02:21] <luakagon> and youd get an idea
[02:21] <mjr> LokeDK, right button on panel, add to panel
[02:21] <budluva> ak37, thats what its supposed to be
[02:21] <ak37> budluva: it's as if php is not installed at all
[02:21] <LokeDK> mjr, yeah.. but what is it called?
[02:21] <babyfire> ok thanks
[02:21] <mjr> LokeDK, notification area or system notification area, I think
[02:21] <babyfire>  hol up
[02:21] <uniq> budluva: you shouldn't need to change anything in the apache config for php to work, just install the correct package with mod_php and it should all work automagically after restarting apache.
[02:21] <nalioth> LokeDK: "panel"
[02:21] <mjr> (I have a finnish translation here)
[02:22] <luakagon> nalioth, so you think itll work? gee I hope you're right
[02:22] <ak37> budluva, just apt-get install php4 actually (after apache)
[02:22] <nalioth> luakagon: you have excellent hardware for ubuntu
[02:22] <ak37> budluva, I followed ubuntuguide.org/#installapachehttpserver
[02:22] <LokeDK> It doesn't work anymore.. f.ex no icon appears with gaim
[02:23] <luakagon> ok now I need to figure out how to get dial up internet access for it.  it's got a real modem I think
[02:23] <uniq> budluva: 'apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4' - don't change the config, and remove all the changes you've already made. then it should work.
[02:23] <mjr> LokeDK, hm, restarted gaim?
[02:23] <mjr> if still doesn't work, dunno why
[02:23] <LokeDK> yes.. serveral of times
[02:24] <mjr> of course, you might try the "windows way" of logout/login, but if that's required, that's really a bug... :I
[02:24] <LokeDK> must be gaim.. cd-player makes a icon there
[02:24] <nalioth> luakagon: if it IS a hardware modem, it'll work out of the box (with some info added, of course)
[02:24] <luakagon> right ok thank you
[02:24] <mjr> LokeDK, ah, all is not lost ;)
[02:25] <budluva> ak37, sorry was on the phone
[02:25] <ak37> it's ok
[02:26] <LokeDK> helped with disable/enable the gaim tray icon plugin thing.. thanks anyways
[02:27] <mjr> LokeDK, righto
[02:27] <budluva> ak37, nope still not working
[02:27] <ksmurf> anyone know of an alternitive to Keepass?  It's a password safe for 'doze
[02:27] <mjr> LokeDK, if you can bother, you could report it as a gaim bug, then
[02:27] <LokeDK> yeah
[02:28] <Aerebus> ty seth
[02:28] <LokeDK> gaim just crashed... and when i started it again, the icon didn't appear
[02:28] <uniq> ksmurf: in KDE we have kwallet for that.
[02:28] <seth_k> Aerebus: what'd I say? :P
[02:28] <flugh> is there anyway to get apt to ignore all these other languages when deciding dependancies during an 'apt-get install <package>'?
[02:28] <ak37> budluva, hmm I suggest removing all php/apache2 related packages as well as the configuration files
[02:29] <ak37> then try to install it from scratch
[02:29] <ak37> I followed ubuntuguide and php runs smoothly
[02:29] <ksmurf> uniq ... Could I use that in gnome?
[02:29] <budluva> ak37 even after installing libapache2-mod-php4 still nothing
[02:29] <flugh> i don't need dk, jp, etc, etc
[02:29] <ak37> http://ubuntuguide.org/#installapachehttpserver
[02:29] <Aerebus> thanks man but i have a big problem now lol
[02:29] <budluva> ak37, whats the easiest way to remove php4 and all it dependancies?
[02:29] <uniq> ksmurf: don't know how good that will work, i guess gnome has its own, i just don't know it's name.
[02:29] <nalioth> ak37: please.. ..
[02:29] <nalioth> ak37: do it in a PM
[02:29] <budluva> ak37, like all the modules that ive installed
[02:29] <Aerebus> when ubuntu wanted to reconfigure it reconfigured my mouse into agony
[02:29] <nalioths_dog> ak37: Please do not advise ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead.  Item 3 here explains why https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[02:30] <ksmurf> what's the password safe in gnome? equiv to keepass or kwallet
[02:30] <Aerebus> my mouse is acting all strange, moving all over the screen, opening stuff, clicking everywhere
[02:30] <Aerebus> very hard for me to control =/
[02:30] <ed1t> Aerebus, you got a laptop?
[02:30] <ksmurf> arebus ... serial?
[02:30] <Aerebus> desktop
[02:30] <ak37> sorry
[02:30] <flugh> Aerebus: protocol is probably wrong. mine does that if i set it to explorer or anything besides imps/2
[02:31] <Aerebus> usb logitec mx510
[02:31] <flash> fun
[02:31] <Aerebus> how do i fix this? lol if this keeps going i'll have to reinstall lol
[02:31] <luakagon> thanks folks and have a great tomorrow
[02:32] <xfSx> hey guys when i try running synaptic i get the following error: Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic:
[02:32] <xfSx>  Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file. anyone know why that might be? thanks..
[02:32] <nalioth> xfSx: do you HAVE an xauthorization file?
[02:33] <xfSx> never needed one before afaik, so i guess maybe not..
[02:33] <xfSx> how do i set one up and why is it necessary?
[02:33] <nalioth> xfSx: i have no clue what it even is
[02:33] <uniq> ksmurf: you can try 'revelation' or 'mypasswordsafe' for your passwords. both are in the universe repository.
[02:33] <xfSx> nal, oh ok, danyang :)
[02:33] <helloyo> i'm unrar-ing a file (non-free), but the folder structure is lost
[02:34] <ed1t> is there any apt-get respitory for xfce?
[02:34] <js_> helloyo: unrar x file.rar
[02:34] <demente> #ubuntu-es
[02:34] <xfSx> hmm my ubu is ill
[02:34] <uniq> ed1t: you can get it from the universe repository in ubuntu.
[02:34] <nalioth> helloyo: you type "unrar --help" and find out that the command is unrar x file.rar
[02:34] <helloyo> js_, that was quick! thanks heaps!
[02:34] <demente> kien me dice el canal de ubuntu en espaol
[02:34] <nalioth> !info xfce
[02:34] <hondje> demente: #ubuntu-es
[02:34] <ubotu> xfce: (The Cholesterol Free Desktop Environment), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 3.8.18-2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 907 kB, Installed size: 2548 kB
[02:34] <helloyo> thanks nalioth, i had no idea there would be such a differnce between e and x
[02:34] <demente> grax men
[02:34] <ed1t> uniq,  wats the source?
[02:35] <ak37> nalioths_dog: Ok
[02:36] <BeatYou> hi, has anyone setup VNC to work with kubuntu desktop ?
[02:36] <BeatYou> i just get a gray screen with black x
[02:36] <uniq> ed1t: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:36] <BeatYou> shell access if that helps so i can edit things if need be
[02:36] <nalioths_dog> ed1t: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[02:36] <uniq> beatyou: echo 'exec startkde' >> ~/.xintrc
[02:37] <uniq> beatyou: and you should stop offering shell access to strangers. that's very insecure.
[02:37] <BeatYou> no i mean i have it myself
[02:37] <BeatYou> not offering it ;] 
[02:37] <uniq> ah.. heh.
[02:37] <BeatYou> kde is running uniq, i plugged in a monitor and its up with the login screen
[02:37] <uniq> then it's ok. i missed the 'i' on that line.
[02:38] <BeatYou> i setup vnc to be able to login with gnome (gdm i believe) by using a thread on the forum
[02:38] <BeatYou> hopefully it can be done with kubuntu
[02:39] <nalioth> BeatYou: what box are you vncing INTO?
[02:39] <BeatYou> another machine
[02:39] <uniq> beatyou: how did you start vnc?
[02:39] <BeatYou> i am on windows with a vnc clinet, do you mean the vncserver on ubuntu machine ?
[02:40] <uniq> yes.
[02:40] <ksmurf> uniq ... I found revelation but not my password safe
[02:40] <BeatYou> to tell you the truth i didn't start it- i installed with apt-get
[02:40] <nalioth> BeatYou: in needs to be running to access it
[02:41] <uniq> beatyou: ok, then it's not started. But you could just enable desktop sharing in the control center.
[02:41] <uniq> ksmurf: correct, that's my bad, mypasswordsafe will be in the next version of ubuntu. sorry.
[02:41] <BeatYou> it has been starting upon boot before i installed kubutnu
[02:42] <uniq> beatyou: do you recall the package name?
[02:43] <BeatYou> vnc4server i believe
[02:43] <nalioth> BeatYou: excellent choice
[02:45] <uniq> nalioth: is vnc4server similar to tightvncserver ?
[02:45] <ed1t> i cant find xfce in synaptic package manager?
[02:45] <nalioth> uniq: they're both vnc servers, vnc4 is command-line operable
[02:45] <nalioth> ed1t: look for xfce4
[02:46] <BeatYou> reinstalled vnc4server
[02:46] <uniq> nalioth: vncserver -kill etc?
[02:46] <BeatYou> still not bringing up kubutnu login :[
[02:46] <ed1t> nope
[02:46] <BeatYou> no uniq, i can't figure out how to start it
[02:46] <ed1t> nalioth, xfce4 is not there either
[02:46] <BeatYou> no vnc4server in /etc/init.d
[02:48] <nalioth> uniq: yes, so you can ssh into the box, start a vncd and then login with a viewer
[02:48] <uniq> beatyou: ok, execute: echo 'exec startkde' > ~/.vnc/xstartup
[02:48] <nalioth> ed1t: you added the repositorys like in the URL?
[02:48] <uniq> beatyou: what that command will do is to tell vnc to start kde when the vncserver is started.
[02:49] <BeatYou> /home/beatyou/.vnc/xstartup: no suck file or dir
[02:49] <BeatYou> such*
[02:49] <uniq> beatyou: ok, 'mkdir ~/.vnc/' and then the other command.
[02:50] <BeatYou> thanks
[02:50] <BeatYou> reboot machine ?
[02:50] <loupgaroublond> has anyone here had problems making initrd kernels using make-kpkg where the initrd file isn't being used properly?
[02:50] <uniq> beatyou: no, then you execute 'vncpasswd' to set the password for your vnc session
[02:50] <uniq> \s
[02:50] <uniq> +s
[02:50] <nalioth> BeatYou: the only time you need to reboot is when you upgrade your kernel
[02:51] <demente> kien sabe una web para configurar el ubuntu
[02:51] <demente> ???????????????????
[02:51] <nalioth> demente: hablamos espanol en #ubuntu-es
[02:51] <ed1t> nalioth, i got an error when i opened synaptic respitory http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/439
[02:52] <BeatYou> ok uniq, now restart xserver ?
[02:52] <uniq> beatyou: no, don't touch the xserver, it'll make a new virtual X server, you don't need to run X on it at all.
[02:52] <uniq> beatyou: now execute 'vncserver'
[02:52] <glick> hello
[02:53] <seth_k> hi
[02:53] <loupgaroublond> hi
[02:53] <nalioth> ed1t: hang on a minute
[02:53] <uniq> beatyou: now you should have a vnc-server running.
[02:53] <uniq> beatyou: try to connect to display :1 from your client pc.
[02:53] <ed1t> ok
[02:54] <BeatYou> vncserver outputs : wrong type or access mode of /home/beatyou/.vnc
[02:54] <loupgaroublond> i'm having problems compiling a kernel in ubuntu using make-kpkg and using initrd files
[02:54] <uniq> beatyou: did you run all commands as the user beatyou ?
[02:54] <BeatYou> yes
[02:54] <BeatYou> chmod'd .vnc +x if that matters
[02:55] <konki> how do i extract a .RAR files? found 2 apps. on the synaptic pkg. mngr. 1. unrar & 2. unrar-nonfree??? what's the difference between the 2??
[02:55] <nalioth> ed1t: the repos have been wonky today
[02:55] <uniq> beatyou: chmod 700 ~/.vnc
[02:55] <ed1t> ooo k
[02:55] <loupgaroublond> unrar-nonfree is "nonfree" but can extract version 3.0 rar files
[02:55] <nalioth> konki: use unrar-nonfree
[02:56] <uniq> beatyou: and chmod 500 ~/.vnc/passwd
[02:56] <nalioth> konki: and thats "free as in freedom"
[02:56] <konki> nalioth, ok... but whats the diff??
[02:56] <BeatYou> argg, same error
[02:56] <konki> nalioth, how come it says "non-free"??
[02:56] <nalioth> konki: what loupgaroublond said
[02:57] <nalioth> konki: because if you take the non-free and open it up to figure it out, you are breaking the law (somewhere)
[02:57] <konki> ok ok
[02:57] <konki> thanks.. lemme chck it out...
[02:58] <BeatYou> sudo vnc4server gives me same error
[02:58] <superted> will hoary see GNOME 2.10.2 ?
[02:58] <PhysSent> Where do I report a Md5sum mismatch from one of the packages on us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[02:58] <uniq> beatyou: ok, sorry but i have to leave now, take a look at sharing desktops in control center. it's probably easier.
[02:59] <BeatYou> true
[02:59] <seth_k> PhysSent: known issue, there are a lot that have problems. Use archive.ubuntu.com instead
[02:59] <Aerebus> hey seth are you there?
[02:59] <BeatYou> thanks for the help though
[02:59] <nalioth> PhysSent: the repos are wonky today
[02:59] <PhysSent> Thanks
[02:59] <nalioth> PhysSent: that is the reason for the md5 error
[02:59] <seth_k> Aerebus: what's up
[02:59] <Aerebus> how do i format my hdd in ubuntu? i need to reinstall
[03:00] <seth_k> why do you need to reinstall? :/
[03:00] <konki> nalioth, i already installed the unrar-nonfree version... now where in the applic. dropdown box should it appear??
[03:00] <Aerebus> mouse is crazy cant fix uggh can barely typkek
[03:00] <nalioth> konki: unrar nonfree lives in your terminal
[03:00] <TokenBad> what was command to refresh gnome?
[03:01] <seth_k> Aerebus: do you have a ps2 / usb adapter to use?
[03:01] <seth_k> until you can fix your xorg.conf?
[03:01] <Aerebus> yes its on
[03:01] <seth_k> and still wonky?
[03:01] <konki> nalioth, so that means if i have a .rar file i just click and it should unzip or unrar it... right??
[03:01] <Aerebus> its beyond
[03:01] <ed1t> Aerebus, paste your mouse configuration on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:01] <Aerebus> ?
[03:02] <Aerebus> you're speaking greek to me edit
[03:02] <xnoob> Hi everyone... I belive i have a big trouble !   My Ubuntu dont load.... It starts, print many code lines on screen and the load process stops whith the following message: kernel panic - not syncing -Attempted to kill init !
[03:02] <ed1t> Aerebus, wat u using? Xorg or xfree86?
[03:02] <seth_k> Aerebus: Hoary or Wary
[03:02] <seth_k> s/Wary/Warty
[03:02] <Aerebus> 5.04
[03:03] <seth_k> xorg then
[03:03] <seth_k> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:03] <seth_k> and paste the contents at pastebin
[03:03] <seth_k> !pastebin
[03:03] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.com or #flood
[03:03] <Aerebus> all i know is the mouse is acting super crazy and a reinstall would prolly fix things but if you guys got a better idea i'm all ears
[03:04] <seth_k> oy, why waste all the time reinstalling
[03:04] <seth_k> when we can fix in 10 minutes
[03:04] <Aerebus> ok plz tell me where i type sudo.....etc
[03:04] <nalioth> konki: there is a program called file-roller or ark that should pop up and take care of your busniess
[03:04] <ed1t> Aerebus, in a terminal window
[03:04] <nalioth> Aerebus: a reinstall is most likely not necessary
[03:04] <Aerebus> applications?
[03:04] <n6mod> Anyone built php5 for hoary/amd64?
[03:05] <loupgaroublond> is there somewhere i can go to ask questions about issues with make-kpkg where it'll be more on topic?
[03:05] <ed1t> Aerebus, applications > system tools > terminal
[03:05] <ed1t> in that windows, type sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:05] <ed1t> window*
[03:05] <n6mod> I'm trying to use dexter's deb-src, and dpkg-buildpackage wants libfam-dev
[03:05] <Aerebus> ok
[03:05] <nalioth> loupgaroublond: have you asked uncle google to research for you?
[03:06] <seth_k> loupgaroublond: sounds like a topic for #ubuntu-devel if google shows nothing
[03:06] <Aerebus> o opened that xorg.conf file and nothing is in there
[03:06] <seth_k> did you copy and paste?
[03:06] <n6mod> installing libfam-dev wants to remove 100 pkgs, including little things like gnome
[03:06] <seth_k> that's a capital X in X11
[03:06] <seth_k> and two number 1's
[03:06] <loupgaroublond> nalioth, seth_k, its an ubuntu issue, b/c using the same process, i haven't had problems doing this under debian
[03:06] <loupgaroublond> #ubuntu-devel sounds good though
[03:06] <Discipulus> there should be an EncFS package in the Ubuntu Repositories.
[03:07] <bob2> questions about using make-kpkg aren't development-related
[03:07] <nalioth> loupgaroublond: https://wiki.ubuntu.com or #ubuntu-devel (if google doesont produce)
[03:07] <loupgaroublond> nalioth, the wiki is no good, the instructions there are the same for debian and give me issues
[03:07] <bob2> loupgaroublond: best to just ask here
[03:08] <nalioth> loupgaroublond: ask bob2 he knows everything
[03:08] <loupgaroublond> bob2, i did ask, twice, no one answered, and now i'm reading most of the questions people ask here, and i feel like it was off topic
[03:08] <nalioth> loupgaroublond: but bob2 is here now to save the day
[03:08] <ed1t> Aerebus, did u find it?
[03:08] <konki> nalioth, thanks alot... now i downloaded some files with Amule... first time i downloaded these files with aMule... now my problem is there are files called .met .part & .bak or combined together... i don't know where aMule stored the .rar files... any comments on this??
[03:08] <bob2> I don't see a question from you at all
[03:08] <bob2> maybe you changes your nick
[03:08] <Aerebus> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/309247
[03:08] <Aerebus> i think thats it
[03:08] <loupgaroublond> no, i didn't phrase it like a question per se, i'll ask again
[03:08] <nalioth> konki: i have never used <anything>mule, so have no clue
[03:09] <nalioth> konki: looks to me like a partial download
[03:09] <gene> I just added a 19" lcd monitor to my amd 64, nvidia 5200 ubuntu box and can't see any rez higher than 1024x780/60hz in screen resolution options. Any tips?
[03:10] <konki> its not cause its 100% or completed on the when i open up the app....
[03:10] <bob2> "screen resolution options" = "gnome screen res thingy"?
[03:10] <bob2> if so, ignore it and run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" from a terminal
[03:10] <konki> nalioth, any suggestion on searching for the files on my comp or root??
[03:11] <loupgaroublond> i'm having a problem with make-kpkg where i follow the procedure from the wiki, where i make-kpkg --append- [junk]  --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers and while an initrd is made and installed, for some reason none of the modules get loaded from the initrd.  when i compile the basics like SATA drivers into the kernel, it boots up, and i get no framebuffer and nothing until GDM loads, plus my kernel feels slightly slower
[03:11] <jasoncohen> gene, you just have to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and choose a higher resolution
[03:11] <nalioth> konki: open a terminal and type "sudo updatedb"    We are doing this NOW because you just NOW d/l the stuff you are looking for
[03:11] <ed1t> Aerebus, what mouse did you say it was?
[03:11] <Aerebus> logitech mx510
[03:11] <bob2> loupgaroublond: why are you compiling one at all?
[03:11] <jasoncohen> gene, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:11] <nalioth> konki: 'updatedb' usually runs in the middle of the night when you leave your machine one
[03:11] <nalioth> konki: on even
[03:11] <jasoncohen> gene, sometimes the maximum resolution is detected incorrectly but it can be easily fixed
[03:12] <nalioth> gene: and if that doesnt work, come back and let me know
[03:12] <tatiana> does anyone know where to d/l the program "smeg" for changing gnomes menus?
[03:12] <Diablo_> hi
[03:12] <Diablo_> need help
[03:12] <jasoncohen> tatiana, it's in hoary-extras
[03:12] <loupgaroublond> bob2, i like custom kernels, i've been doing it since i used debian, and when i install the nvidia drivers from their website, it complains that it won't work with a kernel that has rivafb support
[03:12] <Diablo_> i need to create a keyboard shortcut
[03:12] <Davey> tatiana: jas
[03:12] <tatiana> extras?
[03:12] <tatiana> just add taht to synaptic?
[03:12] <nalioth> tatiana: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[03:12] <jasoncohen> tatiana, http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[03:12] <Davey> tatiana: http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[03:12] <bob2> loupgaroublond: the nvidia drivers work fine with ubuntu kernels
[03:13] <bob2> loupgaroublond: using whatever .config you used on Debian should also work fine
[03:13] <tatiana> heh ty all
[03:13] <Davey> tatiana: there is a script for Ubuntu there, to grab the latest version (.deb) and install it
[03:13] <loupgaroublond> bob2, tell that to the nvidia install program
[03:13] <bob2> loupgaroublond: if you're building a custom kernel, tho, there's no reason to use an initrd
[03:13] <socomm> !repo
[03:13] <ubotu> socomm: I give up, what is it?
[03:13] <tatiana> will it um just install itself after making it executable
[03:13] <bob2> loupgaroublond: (no display until X starts sounds very much like you forgot VGA or VT support)
[03:14] <nalioth> !repository
[03:14] <ubotu> nalioth: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:14] <loupgaroublond> bob2, i'm having a bigger problem where i compile the video drivers into the kernel and i still have framebuffer problems, so i guess technically this counts as two problems
[03:14] <nalioth> !repositories
[03:14] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:14] <konki> nalioth, ok done... what else???
[03:14] <jasoncohen> tatiana, you add "deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list then sudo apt-get update and then apt-get install smeg
[03:14] <tatiana> lol ok thats too much to remember but ty
[03:14] <nalioth> konki: now in the terminal type "locate *.rar"
[03:14] <bob2> loupgaroublond: I'd be rather surprised if your .config from Debian didn't work on ubuntu
[03:14] <tatiana> i'll try usin just synaptic or updater or whatever first heh
[03:15] <loupgaroublond> i'm not using a .config from debian, i haven't used debian since i used 2.4 kernels
[03:15] <n6mod> Anyone want to help me out of dependency hell?
[03:15] <bob2> so, your problem is that you're configuring it wrong
[03:15] <jasoncohen> tatiana, in synaptic, choose settings > repositories
[03:15] <bob2> n6mod: don't use non-ubuntu repositories
[03:15] <tatiana> k
[03:15] <tatiana> then add the ones there?
[03:15] <bob2> n6mod: if you have already, delete them from /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:15] <n6mod> Cool! Where's the ubuntu php5 package?
[03:15] <konki> ok the file came up..
[03:16] <bob2> n6mod: if you care that much, compile it from source
[03:16] <konki> nalioth, now what??
[03:16] <bob2> n6mod: or find packages that are actually meant for ubuntu
[03:16] <n6mod> I'm trying. Been trying all day.
[03:16] <Aerebus> ok my mouse just completely disappeared =/
[03:16] <jasoncohen> tatiana, then choose add > custom and paste "    deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted" without quotations
[03:16] <nalioth> konki: what did it show you?
[03:16] <Diablo_> anybody know how i can crate a keyboard shortcut?
[03:16] <konki> /home/konki/.aMule/Incoming/Lucky Dube - Africas Reggae King.rar
[03:16] <rc51woody> #channels
[03:16] <jasoncohen> tatiana, choose ok and then hit reload
[03:16] <n6mod> OK, so I'm pretty sure that something in dists/php5/hoary is "meant for ubuntu"
[03:16] <bob2> n6mod: apparently not if you have "dependency hell"
[03:16] <tatiana> hm k
[03:17] <bob2> n6mod: maybe you could just paste the errors from apt to #flood
[03:17] <n6mod> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/440
[03:17] <nalioth> konki: that is the  only rar on your system right now
[03:17] <tatiana> not sure what universer & multiverse are yet... i'll have to look on their wiki i guess. ty jasoncohen
[03:17] <BeefTube> http://www.s91842597.onlinehome.us/game/ship/pontoon1.jpg http://www.s91842597.onlinehome.us/game/ship/pontoon2.jpg http://www.s91842597.onlinehome.us/game/ship/pontoon3.jpg     My new spaceships
[03:17] <Aerebus> ed1t seth either of you there?
[03:17] <xnoob> Hi everyone... I belive i have a big trouble !   My Ubuntu dont load.... It starts, print many code lines on screen and the load process stops whith the following message: kernel panic - not syncing -Attempted to kill init !
[03:17] <konki> nalioth, so how can i extract it??
[03:17] <nalioths_dog> tatiana: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[03:18] <bob2> n6mod: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[03:18] <nalioth> konki: in the terminal, cd into the directory shown, and type "unrar x blah.rar"
[03:18] <tatiana> um k nalioths_dog heh... i'll look there in a min i guess.
[03:18] <bob2> loupgaroublond: I'd really just suggest not bothering compiling it, unless you can find someone to sit down and show you how
[03:18] <bob2> loupgaroublond: it sounds very very much like it's just a misconfiguration
[03:18] <loupgaroublond> bob2, might be, i'm gonna keep plugging away at this for a while
[03:19] <loupgaroublond> its just something that takes half an hour between tries to see if it works right
[03:19] <bob2> install ccache
[03:20] <n6mod> done
[03:20] <n6mod> using il.archive due to the MD5SUM problems with us.archive all day
[03:20] <nalioth> n6mod: the repos are wonky today
[03:20] <nalioth> n6mod: if you remove any prefix, you get 'next random server' i believe
[03:20] <jasoncohen> tatiana, universe includes thousands of packages that are taken directly from debian. they aren't supported (no security support). there might be security updates if someone from the community fixes the problem. multiverse has packages with restricted licenses that isn't supported like mplayer
[03:20] <bob2> bah
[03:21] <tatiana> ah k ty jasoncohen
[03:21] <bob2> n6mod: get rid of that backport junk, and try again
[03:21] <n6mod> So, it's commented out.
[03:21] <jasoncohen> tatiana, read this- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[03:21] <bob2> n6mod: if that doesn't work, paste the output of "apt-cache policy libfamc102" to #flood
[03:21] <tatiana> keep getting some error with marillat too. i found a thread on ubuntus forums for it but didn't understand it.
[03:21] <n6mod> sorry, misread...one sec
[03:21] <nalioth> tatiana: please stick with official repositorys
[03:21] <tatiana> why
[03:21] <nalioth> tatiana: unofficial repos, can break your system
[03:22] <ed1t> is there any difference in CD ubuntu sends you and the one you burn from an iso image? i mean option wise
[03:22] <bob2> n6mod: archive.ubuntu.com points to two servers in london
[03:22] <tatiana> hm
[03:22] <bob2> ed1t: no
[03:22] <tatiana> ok...
[03:22] <nalioth> ed1t: nope
[03:22] <jasoncohen> tatiana, why in the world are you using marillat with ubuntu? backports is safer
[03:22] <ed1t> hmmm coz i've heard lot of people having problems with the CD they got from ubuntu
[03:22] <konki> nalioth, problem... msg is: Cannot open blah.rar No files to extract
[03:22] <nalioth> jasoncohen: but not MUCH better, heh
[03:22] <ed1t> i downloaded an image, and it worked fine for me
[03:23] <bob2> ed1t: some people have had badly pressed cds, it seems
[03:23] <nalioth> konki: when you started amule, did you tell it where to d/l files to?
[03:23] <jasoncohen> nalioth, i haven't had problems with backports- but then again i was using sid before
[03:23] <jasoncohen> so i'm used to fixing stuff
[03:23] <ed1t> ooo k
[03:23] <nalioth> jasoncohen: until they come more fully into the 'official' family, i still don't recommend them for everyday use
[03:23] <jasoncohen> lol, so whatever happened to ubuntu's monthly calender artwork?
[03:24] <nalioth> jasoncohen: the project is open, would you like to take it on?
[03:24] <konki> nalioth, no.. but i can see the files now on the explorer location /home/konki/.aMule/Incoming it shows the files...
[03:24] <n6mod> So, I ditched the il. prefix, did an update, and attempted to add libfam-dev again.
[03:24] <jasoncohen> nalioth, i agree- hopefully when they become official and they work more closely with ubuntu developers they'll iron out the problems
[03:24] <n6mod> I get the same 'broken package' error
[03:24] <Aerebus> does anyone know if ubuntu can make some sort of startup/boot disk like windows can? something i can use to format the hdd
[03:24] <tatiana> b/c i added it using an automated script..well the script did that...that i found on the forums.  shrugs i just removed it jasoncohen
[03:24] <jasoncohen> nalioth, well, i'm no artist. was it dropped because of the nudity scandal?
[03:24] <bob2> Aerebus: why would you use that?
[03:24] <nalioth> jasoncohen: well, they are 'official' now, but are not yet in sync with the rest of the software
[03:24] <bob2> n6mod: 11:21:27           bob2 | n6mod: if that doesn't work, paste the output of "apt-cache policy libfamc102" to #flood
[03:25] <Aerebus> because i have no choice
[03:25] <jasoncohen> tatiana, those automated scripts are dangerous and they suck
[03:25] <nalioth> n6mod: the repos are wonky
[03:25] <jasoncohen> don't use them
[03:25] <nalioth> Aerebus: yes, the livecd
[03:25] <tatiana> well it got good feedback on it.
[03:25] <Aerebus> i cannot use a cdrom at this time
[03:25] <n6mod> nalioth: yeah, I got that.
[03:25] <bob2> Aerebus: why do you need to "format the hd"?
[03:25] <jasoncohen> tatiana, they add dangerous unsupported repositories for no reason
[03:25] <nalioth> tatiana: please stay away from ubuntuguide
[03:25] <tatiana> so... i tried it.  if i break it i'll format heh... this is a testing laptop
[03:26] <Aerebus> i need to reinstalle dubuntu
[03:26] <tatiana> but ty for the advice. i removed marillat anyway just now
[03:26] <nalioth> tatiana: in that case, i have some things for you to do...... lol
[03:26] <bob2> Aerebus: why would you format the hard disk then?
[03:26] <n6mod> bob2: done Is that 500 an http result code?
[03:26] <jasoncohen> nalioth, i still think hoary-extras is absolutely great to have. it makes installing java, getting DVD support and xvid/divx, wma, quicktime support a piece of cake
[03:26] <bob2> n6mod: no
[03:26] <Aerebus> i also cannot use a cdrom, i think grub my have messed up my boot order or something because not i cannot boot off of the cdrom like i did last night to install ubuntu
[03:26] <bob2> Aerebus: no, grub cannot possibly do that
[03:26] <nickrud> tatiana the thing that's really wrong with ubuntu guide is it doesn't give you a clue about what you're doing. There is some good stuff there.
[03:26] <nalioth> jasoncohen: i don't think i've ever seen a hoary-extra URL
[03:26] <Aerebus> hmm
[03:26] <bob2> Aerebus: your boot order is determined by the bios
[03:27] <Aerebus> odd
[03:27] <bob2> n6mod: it's the internal pinning level apt gave that version of the package
[03:27] <nalioth> Aerebus: cdrom booting is controlled by your bios, not grub
[03:27] <Aerebus> ok
[03:27] <n6mod> bob2: ah, OK.
[03:27] <Aerebus> i'll try somethign
[03:27] <bob2> n6mod: now paste the output of "sudo apt-get install libfam0c102=2.7.0-5ubuntu2"
[03:27] <nalioth> aerebus is in houston, i could drive over and help him (Not)
[03:27] <jasoncohen> nalioth, it's just the packages that backports produces that aren't in breezy - see  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[03:27] <konki> nalioth, thanks i found the .rar shell commands... i'll try 'em out.. if i have probs.. i'll be back... astalavista....
[03:27] <ed1t> jasoncohen, hoary-extras?
[03:27] <tatiana> ya well i agree with that.  i'm a linux user for almost 3 or 4 years so i have a fair idea of what its doing in the guide, but i avoid danerous stuff if ican. shrugs are the repositories synaptic lists like multivers (officially supported) ok then?
[03:28] <jasoncohen> i think backports is more valuable for the extra packages they provide than for the backports
[03:28] <nickrud> tatiana main, universe, multiverse
[03:28] <ed1t> jasoncohen, where do i get the hoary-extras?
[03:29] <jasoncohen> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[03:29] <nalioth> ed1t: stick with official repos, please. it'll make your life (and computering) much easier
[03:29] <n6mod> bob2: done
[03:29] <n6mod> bob2: this is where I hit the wall :)
[03:29] <jasoncohen> ed1t, add "deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update
[03:29] <ed1t> nalioth, ooo ok
[03:29] <nalioth> tatiana: great to hear. the guide is very dangerous for very new users
[03:29] <jasoncohen> ed1t, only use it if you need something from extras
[03:30] <tatiana> btw, in mandrake i had a way to switch desktops using a key shortcut, is there one for ubuntu?
[03:30] <nalioth> jasoncohen: explain to ed1t (and lurkers) how to enable/disable them, please
[03:30] <bob2> tatiana: alt-fN's the default, iirc
[03:30] <tatiana> ya nalioth i can see it is so i'm tryin to be smart using it and go by my experiences.
[03:30] <jasoncohen> nalioth, why doesn't the author of the guide give some explanation? the info isn't bad- it's just that it's a list of commands rather than a howto
[03:30] <ed1t> yea im new to linux
[03:30] <tatiana> bob2, nope
[03:30] <bob2> tatiana: you can change it in system -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts
[03:30] <toran> hey guys, what command would I use to draw some text to the screen at a certain location?
[03:30] <jasoncohen> ok, ok
[03:30] <nalioth> jasoncohen: some of it is plain wrong
[03:30] <tatiana> hm ok
[03:31] <bob2> toran: install xosd.  run that.
[03:31] <tatiana> guess i'll see cuz i wanna swap desktops w/kb shortcuts
[03:31] <bob2> toran: assuming you mean "in X"
[03:31] <toran> yeah
[03:31] <toran> cool
[03:31] <bob2> tatiana: then jost go set one
[03:31] <ed1t> nalioth, the repositories you gave me are the official ones right?
[03:31] <jasoncohen> nalioth, well, if he's just adding hoary-extras it's not a problem. you only have to disable backports if you want just a few apps
[03:31] <jasoncohen> though i'm not sure how great an idea that is either
[03:31] <tatiana> i will bob2
[03:31] <tatiana> just wondered if there was a preset.
[03:31] <toran> bob2: it's not installed, and it isn't in my apt repositories either
[03:31] <NoHope> hi all
[03:32] <nalioth> ed1t: if my dog gave em to you, they are official
[03:32] <ed1t> jasoncohen, i just installed ubuntu like 2 days ago, so im pretty new
[03:32] <ed1t> heh
[03:32] <MDM3455> anyone know why Gens is so slow when the window is doubled or put in fullscreen mode?
[03:32] <ed1t> nalioth, heh
[03:32] <NoHope> Hey, what makes ubuntu differente than Debian?
[03:32] <jasoncohen> it's dumb to use mozilla-firefox, gaim and other packages from backports that are in backports unless you're going to keep backports enabled because you then don't get any security updates
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> NoHope: it releases every 6  months
[03:32] <nalioth> NoHope: US
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> and has a focus on end user Just Workability
[03:32] <bob2> toran: xosd-bin, then
[03:32] <bob2> n6mod: well, it's not installable here, either
[03:32] <toran> bob2: right, it's there ^_^.. .just did an apt-cache search
[03:32] <toran> thanks
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> and the code of conduct, meaning that people should be nice
[03:32] <NoHope> HrdwrBoB, where is the Debian focus?
[03:33] <jasoncohen> ed1t, this web page gives info on the official packages provided by ubuntu. only main is fully supported. - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[03:33] <HrdwrBoB> NoHope: they're not exactly sure; hence the problem
[03:33] <n6mod> bob2: OK, so it's not just me, then. Any suggestions?
[03:33] <HrdwrBoB> but basically, a lot of packages, stable over time on a lot or architectures
[03:33] <HrdwrBoB> it's an excellent base to build from
[03:33] <NoHope> HrdwrBoB, I'm searching a distro for developers.
[03:33] <toran> bob2: hmm.. installed that, xosd is still not a command
[03:33] <ed1t> thx jasoncohen
[03:33] <jasoncohen> ed1t, however hoary-extras provides packages that couldn't be included in ubuntu like multimedia codecs that have legal issues - for example libdvdcss2 which is illegal in the US but needed to watch most commercial DVDs
[03:33] <bob2> toran: dpkg -L xosd-bin | grep bin
[03:34] <ed1t> jasoncohen, oooo so its like illegal packages
[03:34] <bob2> n6mod: I'd just stop php5 depending on libfam, I can't imagine what useful thing it'd be doing with it
[03:34] <jasoncohen> ed1t, it also provides the w32codecs package for divx/xvid, windows media, quicktime and realplayer codecs for xine (and totem with totem-xine, kaffeine etc)
[03:34] <ed1t> cool
[03:35] <n6mod> bob2: Yeah, I was wondering about that anyway. OK, time to learn more about debian packaging. :)
[03:35] <jasoncohen> ed1t, and it packages j2re and j2sdk
[03:35] <nalioth> ed1t: packages that are not "free"
[03:35] <jasoncohen> nalioth, well multiverse and restricted have packages which aren't free
[03:35] <bob2> n6mod: remove it from the build-depends line in debian/control
[03:35] <ed1t> i need java run time!
[03:35] <xnoob> Hi everyone... I belive i have a big trouble !   My Ubuntu dont load.... It starts, print many code lines on screen and the load process stops whith the following message: kernel panic - not syncing -Attempted to kill init !
[03:35] <nalioth> jasoncohen: dja see your notices?
[03:35] <bob2> n6mod: and probably edit the call to ./configure in debian/rules
[03:35] <jasoncohen> nalioth, some of the packages in extras are actually plainly illegal in the US
[03:35] <nalioths_dog> ed1t: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[03:36] <slipaway172> like lame and libdvdcss
[03:36] <jasoncohen> nalioth, i didn't know dja was asking
[03:36] <nickrud> tatiana had to walk away for a sec, ctl-alt-arrow moves around desktops, if you haven't found out already
[03:36] <n6mod> bob2: control I knew about, rules was what I didn't know. Thanks!
[03:36] <BeatYou> im tryiong to get into the ircd-hybrid dir but i get permission denied, and sudo cd ircd-hybrid gives me error
[03:36] <nalioth> jasoncohen: well its good i live in texas, right?
[03:36] <jasoncohen> nalioth, why's that?
[03:36] <bob2> BeatYou: "sudo -s", or, better still, just edit files as you need to
[03:36] <nalioth> jasoncohen: let me type without an accent
[03:36] <nalioth> jasoncohen: did you see your /notices from me?
[03:36] <tatiana> oh k ty nickrud
[03:37] <tatiana> added universe & multi but it doesn't find smeg
[03:37] <tatiana> i thought i got the original from a website
[03:37] <tatiana> sigh.. pita.
[03:37] <BeatYou> bob2 what does -s do ?
[03:37] <nalioth> tatiana: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[03:37] <jasoncohen> tatiana, smeg is in hoary-backports i believe
[03:37] <nalioth> tatiana: you'll find the homepage of smeg there, i believe
[03:38] <bob2> BeatYou: give you a shell
[03:38] <BeatYou> i am shell right now
[03:38] <jasoncohen> tatiana, yes it's in backports
[03:38] <jasoncohen> nalioth, what notice?
[03:38] <tatiana> ty nalioth
[03:39] <nalioth> hate opening new windows
[03:39] <bob2> MrNaughty: you might want to fix your /quit message
[03:39] <nalioth> jasoncohen: do you know the /notice command?
[03:39] <n6mod> bob2: It builds a fam control library...don't need that. :)
[03:39] <bob2> haha
[03:40] <bob2> go php
[03:40] <ed1t> nalioth, how do u do  fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file]  ?
[03:40] <jasoncohen> nalioth, no- i just use /query, /msg/ usually
[03:40] <nalioth> jasoncohen: but you do know what /notice does?
[03:40] <ArCHoNKoG> there is a MD5Sum mismatch for gftp
[03:40] <ed1t> type jpkg jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin
[03:40] <ed1t> ?
[03:40] <nalioth> ed1t: you need to install 'fakeroot'
[03:40] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: use archive.ubuntu.com instead of us.archive.ubuntu.com
[03:40] <ArCHoNKoG> guys know when will it get fixed
[03:40] <ed1t> oo k
[03:40] <ArCHoNKoG> rgr
[03:41] <ed1t> alright installing
[03:41] <jasoncohen> nalioth, no, not really
[03:41] <tatiana> k found smeg i'm happy
[03:41] <nalioth> jasoncohen: watch your screen
[03:41] <tatiana> ty all an goodnite
[03:42] <ArCHoNKoG> bob2, thanks it worked
[03:43] <BeatYou> anyone know what default port for ircd-hybrid is ?
[03:44] <Discipulus> default port for any irc is 6667
[03:44] <BeatYou> tried connecting on that and get rejected
[03:44] <n6mod> bob2: looks like I need to pull out a few more things to keep if from building the php-fam module, but I know where to look.
[03:44] <n6mod> bob2: Thanks again!
[03:45] <ed1t> i dont think fakeroot was installed properly coz of repositories
[03:45] <ed1t> usr/bin/fakeroot: line 150: make-jpkg: command not found
[03:46] <bob2> that means you don't have make-jpkg installed
[03:46] <BeatYou> what ircd do you guys suggest
[03:46] <dapimp53> I just installed Ubuntu on my Toshiba Satellite laptop. The only problem is that my keyboard and my mouse dont work. How might I fix that
[03:47] <ed1t> bob2, how do i get make-jpkg?
[03:47] <nalioth> ed1t: same way u got fakeroot
[03:47] <ed1t> hmmm
[03:48] <bddebian> make-jpkg?
[03:48] <nomasteryoda> Man, Ubuntu R0xX!
[03:48] <ed1t> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:48] <nomasteryoda> yet again, it amazes
[03:48] <bimberi> ed1t: It's in the "java-package" package (in multiverse)
[03:48] <nomasteryoda> ed1t, you must have synaptic running?
[03:48] <nomasteryoda> or apt-get process?
[03:48] <nomasteryoda> or even aptitude maybe
[03:49] <dapimp53> any ideas?
[03:49] <BeatYou> ed1t yea i had that issue and synaptic was open
[03:49] <teferi> hey, any kernel team people here? i'd kinda like to get some idea of when linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.12 will finally be uploaded...
[03:49] <ed1t> oo k
[03:50] <bddebian> dapimp53: Did you look at the logfile?
[03:50] <Amaranth> stupid modem, dies after 15 minutes
[03:50] <dapimp53> bddebian: how do I get in the logfile if my keyboard doesnt work?
[03:50] <nomasteryoda> ed1t, running ubuntu with XFCE4 right now... on a Dell D505 laptop
[03:50] <nomasteryoda> nice
[03:50] <teferi> anyone?
[03:50] <dapimp53> I am a newbie at this. I am trying to install this for my class
[03:50] <bddebian> dapimp53: Oh yeah, good point
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> dapimp53, what kind of system is it... i just got tot the channel
[03:51] <bddebian> dapimp53: Can you ESC the grub boot menu or is the keyboard dead that early already?
[03:51] <ed1t> i guess ill have to try installing tomorrow, coz i cant access the repositories
[03:52] <ed1t> nomasteryoda, did u had to download xfce4 or it was in your repository package?
[03:52] <nomasteryoda> I added the repository
[03:52] <nalioth> Amaranth: you're that much closer to home
[03:52] <nomasteryoda> from ubuntuguide.org
[03:52] <adwait> hello ppl..........i am compiling a custom kernel for the first time.......
[03:52] <nomasteryoda> is the directions site
[03:52] <Amaranth> nalioth: ha
[03:52] <nomasteryoda> good stuff
[03:52] <Amaranth> nalioth: Sunday :D
[03:52] <nomasteryoda> its in backports i think
[03:52] <adwait> can someone tell me wht "rm -rf linux" will  do?
[03:53] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[03:53] <bddebian> adwait: Congrats
[03:53] <ed1t> nalioth, you said the repositories having problems today?
[03:53] <nalioth> nomasteryoda: nomasteryoda dang this is recursive
[03:53] <ed1t> the archive.ubuntu.com
[03:53] <Amaranth> nalioth: Did you ever get access?
[03:53] <dapimp53_> sorry about that. My net died
[03:53] <dapimp53_> nomasteryoda: Its a Toshiba Satellite Laptop
[03:53] <nalioth> no no nomasteryoda no talk of the guide, please
[03:53] <bddebian> adwait: Force rem the linux directory and any subdirectories under it
[03:53] <n6mod> ed1t: Past couple of days... ditch the us. in your sources.list
[03:53] <nalioth> Amaranth: not that i've been told
[03:53] <Falc> Hello, i'm trying to get the IDLE package, but, I get an error. (Will paste when I copy the error)
[03:53] <nalioth> Amaranth: let me try
[03:54] <n6mod> ed1t: in other words, change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com
[03:54] <n6mod> ed1t: that helped here
[03:54] <Falc> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/python2.4/idle-python2.4_2.4.1-0_all.deb
[03:54] <Falc>   MD5Sum mismatch
[03:54] <Falc> That error.
[03:54] <nalioth> Amaranth: i've been told i dont have the proper access level
[03:54] <ed1t> n6mod, thats wat i have, i dont have us
[03:54] <bddebian> Falc: Do you have a high-speed connection?
[03:54] <nomasteryoda> ok, so how about .. how to fix the Nautilus from spawning a new window each time I click a folder
[03:55] <adwait> bddebian: ok..but wht does it contain? the linux directory...
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> anyone>
[03:55] <Falc> In sybpatic, when getting the idle package for pyhton.
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> ?
[03:55] <Xzallion> okay, I just installed ubuntu, and dual boot using grub between win XP and ubuntu, and when ubuntu starts up it says there is an error with the x server and I need to know how to fix this.  I have a Nvidia geforce card if that helps
[03:55] <ed1t> n6mod, i have these, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[03:55] <bddebian> adwait: What directory are you in?
[03:55] <Xzallion> Thanks in advance if anyone can help
[03:55] <n6mod> ed1t: Oh. Don't know what to suggest then. I was using il. for a while, and that worked.
[03:55] <adwait> bddebian: this is wht i am referring to http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html
[03:55] <Falc> bddebien, Can you define 'high speed'?
[03:55] <adwait> /usr/src
[03:55] <dapimp53_> nomasteryoda: do you know how to make the keyboard and mouse to work
[03:55] <bddebian> Falc: Not dial-up
[03:55] <Falc> Yes.
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> dapimp53, thinking on that
[03:55] <Falc> High speed.
[03:55] <bddebian> Falc: Try the uk mirror then
[03:55] <dapimp53_> ok
[03:55] <youth> Hey i have an issue, i am unable to eject a dvd from my laptop. Does anyone know how to fix this!?
[03:56] <youth> it says " invalid argument "
[03:56] <bddebian> youth: Push the button? :-)
[03:56] <Falc> bddebian, could you give us some info on doing that, I don't know how. :/
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:56] <nalioth> youth: open a terminal and type "eject cdrom"
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> dapimp53, yes
[03:56] <youth> ok.
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> dapimp53_, yes
[03:56] <dapimp53_> ok
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> try to reboot the system and edit the bios to support legacy USB?
[03:56] <ed1t> il doenst work for me either
[03:56] <bddebian> Falc: edit /etc/apt/sources.list  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to uk.archive.ubuntu.com
[03:56] <Falc> Okay, thanks.
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> i would guess it is using the usb bus for keyboard and mouse eventhough they are internal
[03:57] <youth> i get the same error.
[03:57] <Amaranth> ah, the Disconnect of Doom has come
[03:57] <youth> it says invalid argument.
[03:57] <dapimp53_> ok
[03:57] <n6mod> Hey, since I'm waiting for php to build (finally!) I have a simple question: How do I get the automounter to recognize a CF card in the pcmcia slot the way it does thumbdrives?
[03:57] <adwait> bddebian: there are two methods mentioned on the site http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html, which one should i use bddebian?
[03:57] <dapimp53_> so what does that mean?
[03:58] <nomasteryoda> nalioth, sorry about that... i just had success using it yesterday
[03:58] <nomasteryoda> the g that is
[03:58] <bddebian> adwait: Oh, that is just deleting the linux source directory from /usr/src
[03:58] <nickrud> youth try doing pkill gam_server in a terminal, then ejecting the dvd
[03:59] <nalioth> nomasteryoda: we're trying to keep the curious NEW *nix users from getting dangerous info
[03:59] <dapimp53_> nomasteryoda: how do I get the Ubuntu to use them
[03:59] <adwait> bddebian; ok.....well thrs no linux directory in my /usr/src anyway......so doesnt matter
[03:59] <ed1t> still the same problem, oh well ill try back tomorrow
[03:59] <youth> iyouth@cpe-24-209-241-103:~$ pkill gam_server
[03:59] <youth> youth@cpe-24-209-241-103:~$ eject cdrom
[03:59] <youth> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[03:59] <ed1t> thx for all your help people
[03:59] <nickrud> sometimes we have to help them work around bugs, though
[03:59] <bddebian> adwait: I would pull the ubuntu source package if you can
[03:59] <youth> still dont work. :(
[03:59] <bddebian> adwait: Then you are fine
[03:59] <ed1t> cya all tomorrow
[03:59] <fhobia> how do i upgrade gaim from 1.1.4 to 1.3 ?
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> dapimp53_, did you change the bios?
[04:00] <lucasr> hi all
[04:00] <dapimp53_> no
[04:00] <bddebian> Hello lucasr
[04:00] <lucasr> livecd help...
[04:00] <Xzallion> Does anyone know how to fix X server or whatever its called?  I just installed, and can't open a gui and can only do command line.  I need to download the Nvidia drivers or something to fix it cause thats what I did last time, but I can't remember how
[04:00] <lucasr> i translated the boot messages of ubuntu livecd
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> dapimp53_, pretty sure thats off by default
[04:00] <bddebian> Xzallion: Do you know which drivers?
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> so you need to check i think
[04:00] <nickrud> youth hm, do you have a nautilus window open to the dvd?
[04:00] <bddebian> lucasr: Shoot
[04:00] <adwait> bddebian: it says here to make a symbolic link from linnux-2.6.whtever to linux.......wht if i just rename?
[04:00] <lucasr> but non-ascii chars becomes trash
[04:00] <youth> i dont think so
[04:01] <dapimp53_> so what do I do in the bios?
[04:01] <nalioth> Xzallion: this should get you a functional gui
[04:01] <youth> it said something about natilus but i clicked close.
[04:01] <bddebian> adwait: That works but a symbolic link is better if you want to keep a couple of kernel trees around
[04:01] <Xzallion> im not sure, but if you tell me how to find out, I shall do that.  Im currently in Win XP (yes its a dual boot)
[04:01] <nalioth> Xzallion: open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" choose teh VESA driver
[04:01] <Xzallion> ok nalioth I shall try that
[04:01] <nickrud> youth make sure you have no file manager windows open anywhere, then try unmounting the dvd one more time.
[04:01] <adwait> k
[04:01] <cyphase> are there any applications that cycle your wallpaper for you?
[04:02] <bddebian> nalioth: Stop stealing my n00bs ;-P
[04:02] <nalioth> Xzallion: its not a nvidia driver, but it should get you a gui
[04:02] <youth> oh i sure do have some open but i am copying data from my ipod to the harddrive it wont be done for 20 min..
[04:02] <nalioth> bddebian: i type 80 wpm, keep up
[04:02] <youth> after thats done it should work right?
[04:03] <Xzallion> okay Im off to try it, thanks
[04:03] <nalioth> cyphase: chbg
[04:03] <nickrud> youth what *may* be happening, is the thing that tracks changes to mounted drives won't let go of the cd (a bug, and a known one)
[04:03] <nickrud> s/cd/dvd/
[04:03] <bddebian> nalioth: I'm slow and old man..
[04:04] <nickrud> when you're done, try closing all filemanager windows, and unmounting the dvd
[04:04] <youth> so how do i fix it?
[04:04] <cyphase> thanx nalioth
[04:05] <nickrud> youth you can't fix it :) You can only live with it, it really doesn't happen often. And, it's not ubuntu's fault.
[04:05] <nalioth> bddebian: and we are all n00bs
[04:05] <nalioth> cyphase: do you use gnome?
[04:05] <youth> So how do i get the cd out?
[04:05] <bddebian> nalioth: Tell me about it :-)
[04:05] <shad0w1e> hey is there any way to scan the pci bus from WINDOWS?
[04:05] <bddebian> shad0w1e: For what purpose?
[04:05] <nickrud> youth wait until you've completed your file transfer, then, in a terminal pkill gam_server . It nearly always works here.
[04:06] <youth> Ok thanks a lot
[04:06] <shad0w1e> bddebian because a friend of mine (a GIRL) had her windows reinstalled and cannot find the proper drivers
[04:06] <ajmitch> bddebian: you're probably younger than a lot of people around here, so don't complain :)
[04:06] <bob2> wow, a GIRL?
[04:06] <ubuntu_> anybody know where i can find a good tutorial on installing software on linux?
[04:06] <bddebian> heh
[04:06] <shad0w1e> and I dont feel like having her download and run a linux live cd to find out what hardware is in the machine
[04:06] <jtan325__> if i want to mount an external usb drive, i.e. sda1, and i want to let all users have read,write permissions -- basically do everything and anything, what options should i put in my fstab?
[04:06] <bob2> ubuntu_: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[04:06] <ubuntu_> im trying to install BLENDED 3d, i  have no idea what im doing
[04:06] <jtan325__> i.e. rw, exec, nodev?
[04:07] <bddebian> shad0w1e: That's what plug and pray is for.  Does it have "Unknown devices" in Device Manager?
[04:07] <shad0w1e> bddebian , yes too many!
[04:07] <bddebian> shad0w1e: Do you know the make/model of the machine?
[04:07] <shad0w1e> and its a damn emachines so theres no support or way to find out which hardware is in the machine from their site
[04:07] <shad0w1e> emachines m5414
[04:07] <budluva> shad0w1e, ???
[04:07] <comadreja> I upgraded to breezy, and now X won't start
[04:07] <shad0w1e> i know i was shocked myself
[04:08] <shad0w1e> and I looked
[04:08] <budluva> my ubuntu box is an emachines, and yes you can find hardware info
[04:08] <HelpHelp> Can anybody help me?
[04:08] <shad0w1e> and it was true!
[04:08] <budluva> shad0w1e, let me get the link
[04:08] <shad0w1e> if u can, I'd appreciate!
[04:08] <bddebian> HelpHelp: Just ask, we'll try
[04:08] <shad0w1e> if all else fails I'll hav her pop in a live cd and run lspci or something
[04:08] <budluva> shad0w1e, http://parts.emachines.com/emachines/
[04:09] <budluva> m5410 is as close as your goin to get
[04:09] <nalioth> HelpHelp: with what?
[04:09] <budluva> shad0w1e, oh is it a laptop?
[04:09] <shad0w1e> yes
[04:10] <bddebian> An emachines laptop?  Scary.
[04:10] <shad0w1e> yeah
[04:10] <shad0w1e> i know!
[04:10] <budluva> wow
[04:10] <budluva> you might be sol on that one
[04:10] <shad0w1e> well im thinking that it woud be awesome (anyway) to know of a windows-based program to scan the pci bus
[04:10] <shad0w1e> know of any?
[04:10] <budluva> what are you trying to do?
[04:10] <shad0w1e> pop in a live cd and run lspci! (arghh)
[04:11] <budluva> or what piece of hardware do you want info for?
[04:11] <budluva> why doesnt lspci work?
[04:11] <shad0w1e> i need drivers
[04:11] <shad0w1e> because linux isnt on the machine
[04:11] <youth> is there any way to use photoshop on linux?
[04:11] <n6mod> bob2: enough fun for one day...but I'm on the right track. thanks again.
[04:11] <shad0w1e> i just figured maybe someone in here might know how to ...
[04:11] <bddebian> shad0w1e: I don't know of any that will tell you the actual devices
[04:11] <budluva> youth, wine
[04:11] <shad0w1e> youth, you can run 7 forsure
[04:11] <shad0w1e> i dont know about CS though
[04:12] <bob2> nalioth: np
[04:12] <bob2> bah
[04:12] <youth> awesome, can i get WINE in Synaptec ?
[04:12] <budluva> yess
[04:12] <nalioth> bob2: humbug
[04:12] <budluva> youth, why not use apt?
[04:12] <shad0w1e> so nobody knows of a "lspci"-like program for windows?
[04:12] <youth> apt?
[04:13] <budluva> youth, yes, its what synaptic runs off
[04:13] <youth> im sorry i forgot all about how to use ubuntu.. lol
[04:13] <nickrud> budluva not to be pendantic, but syn_apt_tic uses apt :)
[04:13] <youth> what do you mean?
[04:13] <budluva> youth, think of synaptic as a front-end gui for apt
[04:13] <youth> just do apt-get wine?
[04:13] <omegadc> hello folks
[04:13] <budluva> youth, apt is command line so you have to run in a terminal
[04:13] <bddebian> Hello moe
[04:13] <budluva> youth, no, apt-get install wine
[04:13] <bddebian> err omegadc
[04:14] <budluva> youth, but you have to be su'd
[04:14] <youth> oh sweet.. that works!
[04:14] <youth> appreciate it
[04:14] <budluva> np
[04:14] <nickrud> free?
[04:14] <omegadc> could anyone help me to configure gitf?
[04:14] <omegadc> i ve instaled already ....as giftoxic
[04:15] <lumberjack> hey, when i mount my serial hard drive it has root permissions
[04:15] <adwait> omgadc: ok so.......u cant connect?
[04:15] <omegadc> after starting giftd i try to use giftoxic or giftui but no anwser
[04:15] <Hackmo> hey all, can anyone help me get my surround sound working?
[04:15] <omegadc> num....the front end doesn even start
[04:16] <lumberjack> isnt there a command thats like mode=000
[04:16] <adwait> omegadc: umm...try starting giftoc by itself, i guess it auto starts gift on my end
[04:16] <lumberjack> or umask or something
[04:16] <bddebian> lumberjack: chmod
[04:16] <adwait> *giftoxic
[04:16] <nickrud> lumberjack man mount, look for umask, uid, gid
[04:16] <budluva> add the user option and add your user to the disk group?
[04:16] <omegadc> it says something about there can be nother process in pot 1213
[04:16] <bddebian> lumberjack: And you don't want to use 000
[04:16] <lumberjack> why
[04:17] <shad0w1e> um whats the best way to find out what devices are in my linux machine?
[04:17] <bddebian> lumberjack: That would essentially mean no-one has permissions, including root
[04:17] <shad0w1e> (hardware)
[04:17] <adwait> omegadc: when does it say that?
[04:17] <bddebian> shad0w1e: lspci or /etc/proc
[04:17] <budluva> shad0w1e, well are you currently using linux or windows?
[04:17] <nickrud> shad0w1e lspci, lsusb are quick
[04:17] <shad0w1e> linux if i have to
[04:17] <omegadc> when i $ giftd
[04:17] <shad0w1e> but I remember devices having like a 0x123
[04:17] <budluva> well i thought you didnt have drivers?
[04:18] <drummer87> hi, can someone help me.. i can't access my ubuntu box from the home XP box on the same network (orwin2k for that matter)
[04:18] <shad0w1e> or s/t like that
[04:18] <omegadc> *** GIFT-FATAL: Failed to load interface subsystem
[04:18] <omegadc> NOTE:
[04:18] <omegadc> There may be another giFT daemon running on this host.  Check to see if the
[04:18] <omegadc> interface port (1213) is currently in use by another process.
[04:18] <omegadc> *** Often times more information can be found in the log file or with the -v command line switch.
[04:18] <shad0w1e> lspci doesnt show that
[04:18] <youth> how come my update is downloading at 3.8 kb a secong
[04:18] <youth> i have a broadband connection
[04:18] <budluva> youth, repos are busy?
[04:18] <youth> who?
[04:18] <cam> omegadc:  don't paste in here. and did you check the logs are start it w/ -v like it said?
[04:18] <shad0w1e> lspci gives me PCI ID's. what if I want hardware ID?
[04:18] <drummer87> it shows up in the local network but asks for a login and password and i have no idea what to put here :(
[04:18] <budluva> youth, maybe you have the wrong repos setup
[04:18] <youth> how do i find out
[04:19] <bob2> shad0w1e: "hardware id"?
[04:19] <jtan325__> does anyone understand the "umask" stuff in fstab?
[04:19] <omegadc> sorry
[04:19] <adwait> omegadc: thts wht i said.........just dont start giftd, directly start gitftoxic
[04:19] <jtan325__> or does anyone understand mounting/unmounting pretty well?
[04:19] <shad0w1e> bob2 i remember seeing something like 0x123
[04:19] <nickrud> omegadc netstat -tln will tell you if something is already using 1213
[04:19] <bob2> lumberjack: lots of people do
[04:19] <budluva> youth, well if you live in the us, use us sources, if you live in france, use fr sources
[04:19] <bob2> bah
[04:19] <bob2> jtan325__: umask=000
[04:19] <youth> how do i find out what i am using..
[04:19] <jtan325__> bob2, what kind of permissions does that enable
[04:19] <budluva> youth, nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:19] <bob2> jtan325__: read/write for everyone
[04:20] <omegadc> it says "address already in use"
[04:20] <jtan325__> ok perfect, sweet
[04:20] <bob2> well, read on NTFS
[04:20] <jtan325__> what about "dev/nodev"?
[04:20] <youth> now what?
[04:20] <jtan325__> when should i use that
[04:20] <adwait> omegadc: when??
[04:20] <budluva> youth, what do you think?
[04:20] <bob2> jtan325__: when you know that you need it
[04:20] <omegadc> $giftd -v
[04:20] <ray_> does anybody know if the fglrx drivers work with the686 kernel?
[04:20] <youth> no idea.. i dont know where to look.
[04:20] <jtan325__> bob2, when would that be?
[04:20] <jtan325__> what's the default?
[04:21] <bob2> jtan325__: if you don't understand it, you don't need it.  the default is dev.
[04:21] <ray_> does anybody know if the fglrx drivers work with the686 kernel?
[04:21] <jtan325__> ok cool
[04:21] <jasoncohen> ray_, it should - see linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-686 - Non-free Linux 2.6.10 modules on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV
[04:21] <budluva> youth, deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[04:21] <bob2> jtan325__: it stops people putting/using device nodes on a filesystem, which could be used in some attacks
[04:21] <budluva> youth, i live in canada, if you live in us, use us.archive.ubuntu.com, if you live in france, use fr.archive.ubuntu.com
[04:21] <jasoncohen> ray_, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-686 includes the fglrx, nvidia, madwifi driver for the -686 kernel
[04:21] <argonaut> hello
[04:21] <youth> i do have us.archive.ubuntu.com
[04:21] <budluva> youth, where do you live?
[04:21] <ArCHoNKoG> is there a gui c++ compiler ?
[04:21] <adwait> omegadc: tyr ps -al | grep giftd
[04:22] <youth> us
[04:22] <adwait> and then kill <PID>
[04:22] <bob2> ArCHoNKoG: no, that would be silly
[04:22] <omegadc> ok
[04:22] <reka> ArCHoNKoG: install build-essential
[04:22] <budluva> youth, ok well then the repo must just be busy
[04:22] <adwait> brb
[04:22] <reka> ah, whoops
[04:22] <youth> hm.. so i just be patient.
[04:22] <reka> read over the gui part :)
[04:22] <youth> i mean this update is taking 5 hours!
[04:22] <shad0w1e> guys I want to write a script that can "detect" if there is an internet connection, and act accordingly... can anyone maybe give me a little help with that?
[04:22] <omegadc> done
[04:22] <bddebian> Won't kylix do C++  or kdevelop even?
[04:22] <bob2> shad0w1e: you need to define "detect" very very strictly
[04:23] <budluva> youth, everything else fine speed wise? ie browsing the net?
[04:23] <shad0w1e> lets say ping google.com
[04:23] <youth> yeah everything else is col
[04:23] <shad0w1e> and be able to react to whether or not it successfully pings
[04:23] <argonaut> i've run into a couple major problems in installing ubuntu... first i noticed was the bulk of the installer being hardly readable due to a graphics distortion.. also, the installer crashes 25% through "configuring apt -- setting up pimary installation repository"
[04:23] <budluva> youth, sit it out and wait i guess :P
[04:23] <nickrud> youth I've been using us for a long time, and 3.8 seems extremely slow. I'd try another country.
[04:23] <youth> Another country.. how do i change?
[04:24] <lumberjack> i am trying to mount a serial ata drive
[04:24] <youth> i remember someone had this same issue a while back, but i forget what they did to fix it
[04:24] <lumberjack> and when i mount i get
[04:24] <adwait> omegdc: well? can u start giftoxic now?
[04:24] <tiglionabbit> If I'm compiling, and the thing says I don't have GL, what dev package am I missing?
[04:24] <lumberjack> lumberjack@lumberjack:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda /mnt
[04:24] <lumberjack> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[04:24] <budluva> youth, change the 2 letter country code, save, and apt-get update
[04:24] <bob2> tiglionabbit: libGL-dev
[04:24] <ArCHoNKoG> reka, how would you use build-essential as a compiler ?
[04:24] <shad0w1e> how can a script know if theres an internet connection?
[04:24] <youth> i cant edit the nano file..
[04:24] <nickrud> youth edit /etc/apt/sources.list, change us *everywhere* to uk (the uk recommendation is parroting)
[04:24] <youth> ok.
[04:24] <budluva> youth, cause your not su'd
[04:24] <omegadc> i did it
[04:24] <argonaut> i'm on a fic kt748 motherboard and a atlantis radeon 9200se 128mb 8x agp video card
[04:25] <adwait> omegdc: right........well now can u start giftoxic?
[04:25] <zip> if i use apt-get to download from a source repository, will it automatically compile and install for my syste,?
[04:25] <reka> ArCHoNKoG: it provides g++.  i'm not sure what you mean by a gui compiler though.  g++/gcc is invoked via the command line
[04:25] <budluva> youth, exit and either sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list or su - then nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:25] <omegadc> no :(
[04:25] <ArCHoNKoG> k
[04:25] <adwait> omegadc: wht does it say now?
[04:25] <argonaut> anybpdy know why there are these crazy problems in the installer?
[04:26] <budluva> youth, btw if you didnt know su - switches your user to the root account and stays root, so you dont have to sudo all your commands
[04:26] <omegadc> it doesn say anything...i just doesn open
[04:26] <youth> how do i save it?
[04:26] <nickrud> argonaut there are no crazy problems, just fixable ones
[04:26] <budluva> youth, ctrl-o
[04:26] <budluva> youth, then ctrl-x to exit
[04:26] <nickrud> heh, what a crock :)
[04:26] <ray_> thanks guys who answered my fglrx question it worked!
[04:26] <argonaut> well, sure they're fixable... definately unusual
[04:26] <adwait> omegadc: try from the commandline....maybe itll print some errors there?
[04:27] <reka> argonaut: [1]  graphics issue - try using the vga option [2]  apt crashing - sure it really crashes?  some people have experienced "hangs" but the installer starts up again
[04:27] <omegadc> no...i wrote $giFToxic
[04:27] <omegadc> it just jumped to next line like nothing has happened
[04:27] <adwait> hmm
[04:27] <argonaut> so, "linux vga" at the "boot: " prompt?
[04:28] <argonaut> ah.. i left it on that screen for half an hour then decided its fubar
[04:28] <reka> argonaut: not sure of the exact syntax.
[04:28] <youth> it seems to be working faster..
[04:28] <argonaut> and i'm on an athlon 2500 so i figure that's reasonable
[04:28] <reka> argonaut: yeah, 30 mins is pushing it...
[04:28] <budluva> youth, what mirror did you use?
[04:28] <Xzallion> ok I tried the vesa driver thing, and I think I messed that up. It loads up, I hear the boot sound and get a black screen.  I can't even get the command prompt.  Oh and i have a Gforce Nvidia fx 5200 if that helps...
[04:28] <adwait> omegadc:  in ~/.giFT/giFT.conf is the value of setup non zero
[04:29] <youth> uk
[04:29] <budluva> youth, btw you have to change all of your sources
[04:29] <adwait> omegadc: actually....limewire is better.......maybe u should try tht :)
[04:29] <youth> i did..
[04:29] <youth> i changed them all to uk
[04:29] <budluva> youth, ok good
[04:29] <Xzallion> I think Im going to have to re-install to overwrite my mess up, and then try to fix it with what ever anyone suggests
[04:29] <budluva> just makin sure
[04:29] <Discipulus> I can't get giftcurs to work correctly
[04:29] <Discipulus> anybody know why?
[04:29] <dapimp53> ok I got the keyboard and mouse to work. Now I need to get on my wireless network. It says it configured and active. How do I actually use it so it connects to the internet? The network terminals that are flashing at the top says its useing lo. My wireless is ath0
[04:29] <omegadc> can i reach fastrack from it?
[04:29] <youth> but it is going 3618B/s..
[04:29] <cam> Discipulus:  you're going to have to provide more information than that
[04:30] <youth> :-\
[04:30] <Discipulus> cam, well, I start it up from the command line but it doesn't even show me a UI
[04:30] <argonaut> anybody know the kernel option for vga?
[04:30] <budluva> youth, thats roughly the same speed as last time
[04:30] <youth> it seemed to be going faster. but its the same.
[04:30] <youth> yeah..
[04:30] <adwait> omegadc: umm.....i am not sure which protocols it uses....but nevertheless it gives many results
[04:30] <cam> Discipulus:  so what does it show?
[04:30] <youth> well the apt-get update is done now.
[04:30] <omegadc> how do i use with debian
[04:30] <Discipulus> cam, nothing
[04:30] <adwait> considering i search for indian songs, and most ppl here only use kazaa for p2p, thts pretty good
[04:30] <youth> i was doing the automatic update before and it was taking 5 hours..
[04:30] <youth> it is suppose to take that long?
[04:30] <omegadc> apt-get install limewire?
[04:31] <cam> Discipulus:  does it take you back to the command prompt or just a blank screen?
[04:31] <adwait> omegadc: go to www.limewire.com and download limewire for linux (not rpm)
[04:31] <budluva> youth, after apt-get update you should try apt-get upgrade to actually get your packages
[04:31] <Discipulus> don't even do that, it stays at the command prompt
[04:31] <omegadc> source?
[04:31] <Discipulus> I'll show you
[04:31] <adwait> simply extract it and run sh ./runLime.sh
[04:31] <cam> Discipulus:  do you have giftd running?
[04:31] <nickrud> youth as a test, I'd try getting some random file off the net, and see if it was also slow.
[04:31] <youth> how do i cancel from the terminal?
[04:32] <budluva> youth, ctrl-c
[04:32] <Discipulus> yes
[04:32] <youth> ok.. thakns lol sorry for the newbie questions
[04:32] <adwait> omegaomegadc: at the bottom of download links.........other
[04:32] <Xzallion> ok, how would I get Ubuntu 5.04 to install the Nvidia drivers (newest) or working x server configuration to get to a gui?  I will have access to the command prompt once I reinstall
[04:32] <reka> argonaut: linux vga=771
[04:32] <Discipulus> disc@student:~$ giftd -d
[04:32] <Discipulus> [21:34:58]  giFT: 9261
[04:32] <Discipulus> disc@student:~$ giFTcurs
[04:32] <Discipulus> and then it goes to a newline
[04:32] <Discipulus> and sits there
[04:33] <argonaut> thank you
[04:33] <youth> budluva, by the way it said that wine is not available ?
[04:33] <Aerebus> can someone please help me fix my mouse? lol its running all over the screen
[04:33] <macubuntu83> hi
[04:33] <budluva> youth, wine - Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator)
[04:33] <budluva> youth, maybe your not using the correct repositories?
[04:33] <Discipulus> cam, any reason why it would do that?
[04:33] <Xzallion> hello anyone want to help a newb?
[04:33] <cam> Discipulus:  because it won't work if you don't
[04:34] <bimberi> Xzallion: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:34] <cam> Discipulus:  giFTcurs is just a front-end to the daemon
[04:34] <macubuntu83> hello
[04:34] <Discipulus> giftd is running and working tohugh
[04:34] <Discipulus> though*
[04:34] <dapimp53_> ok I got the keyboard and mouse to work. Now I need to get on my wireless network. It says it configured and active. How do I actually use it so it connects to the internet? The network terminals that are flashing at the top says its useing lo. My wireless is ath0
[04:34] <Discipulus> I don't see a UI
[04:34] <Discipulus> it just sits there
[04:34] <budluva> youth, Package wine
[04:34] <budluva>     * hoary (otherosfs): Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator) [universe] 
[04:34] <budluva>       0.0.20050310-1.1: i386
[04:34] <budluva> youth, make sure you have universe enabled
[04:34] <cam> Discipulus:  where are you running the ui from?
[04:34] <Discipulus> cam, command line
[04:34] <youth> ah.. how do i do that?
[04:34] <youth> from terminal?
[04:35] <budluva> youth, check your sources.list again and see if you have the universe repo
[04:35] <adwait> hey is there a command to check the uptime of the system
[04:35] <bimberi> dapimp53: System -> Administration -> Networking
[04:35] <root________> Hi, I'm thinking of doing a net install (it IS possible with ubuntu, right ?) and I need to know if ubuntu will like my Atheros Wireless Network card
[04:35] <budluva> youth, check and see if its commented out or not
[04:35] <bimberi> adwait: "uptime" :)
[04:35] <cam> Discipulus:  hmm, i've never seen it not work before when the daemon is running... do other curses apps work?  have you tried the gtk front-end?
[04:35] <daniels> root________: a) yes, b) yes
[04:35] <adwait> bimberi: aah.......could never have guessed :p
[04:36] <adwait> :D
[04:36] <root________> bimberi, /exec -o uptime, if you wanna show it off
[04:36] <josie> where in the world is the alsaconf utility!??  I have an old integrated sb16 on an isa bus.  Everyone claims that it's provided in the alsa-utils package, but if you look at the file listing, it's clearly not there.
[04:36] <youth> budluva, the internet download was going at 201kb a second
[04:36] <adwait> thx
[04:36] <daniels> root________: c) recommended you don't IRC as root
[04:36] <Discipulus> cam, giftui doesn't open either
[04:36] <Discipulus> cam, and I'm not sure about other curses apps
[04:36] <root________> daniels, I'm not :)
[04:36] <cam> Discipulus:  wow, you're sure it's configured correctly (the daemon that is)
[04:36] <dapimp53_> bimberi: It says its active but I still dont have internet access
[04:36] <Discipulus> cam, yea, I'm sure, I can try to reconfigure it though
[04:36] <youth> do i take away the ##?
[04:36] <daniels> root________: your nick, username, and real name are all 'root'?
[04:37] <Xzallion> :bimberi: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx does not work...  Something about packages or something
[04:37] <Codestorm> is there anyone using Blam! successfully in Hoary?
[04:37] <bimberi> dapimp53: Is it the default gateway device?
[04:37] <youth> to umcomment do i add or take away an #?
[04:37] <adwait> take away
[04:38] <Aerebus> can someone please help me fix my mouse? lol its running all over the screen and clicking on all sorts of things, i dont think ubuntu likes my mouse =/
[04:38] <reka> youth: a line starting with a # is commented out
[04:38] <root________> daniels, before I explain the "root" thing..  I've already tried knoppix, and it doesn't like the atheros chipset..  are you SURE about it
[04:38] <lumberjack> how does the chmod command work
[04:38] <root________> daniels, ?  /ctcp version mich :)
[04:38] <root________> lumberjack, man chmod
[04:38] <bimberi> Xzallion: What is the message?
[04:38] <lumberjack> i did man but when i try and change the folder permissions it wont change
[04:38] <dapimp53_> bimberi: I set it as that then I hit ok but it doesnt seem to stay
[04:38] <lumberjack> i did chmod 311 /folder/blah
[04:38] <daniels> root________: ubuntu is vastly different to knoppix.  ubuntu has a linux-restricted-modules image which makes ath available.  should be in the default image.
[04:38] <root________> lumberjack, it should work..
[04:38] <lumberjack> its root only and i want anyone to be able to access it
[04:38] <youth> okay, it still says that wine is not found
[04:39] <lumberjack> it has a mounted serial ata in it
[04:39] <root________> daniels, alright, thank you :)
[04:39] <daniels> root________: (i maintain l-r-m, just can't remember whether or not it's available for net installs since I do them with a wire anyway; seems to be rather required for PXE)
[04:39] <bimberi> dapimp53: ok can you paste the results of "ifconfig" to #flood
[04:39] <reka> youth: post your sources.list to the pastebin linked in the channel topic
[04:39] <josie> where is the alsaconf utility?
[04:39] <youth> where is that?
[04:39] <reka> youth: actually, hangon.
[04:39] <youth> lol
[04:39] <dapimp53> how am i suppose to do that with no internet connection
[04:39] <reka> youth: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 : ready to use sources.list
[04:40] <bimberi> dapimp53: sry
[04:40] <youth> what do i do with that?
[04:40] <reka> youth: apps > system tools > terminal
[04:40] <reka> youth: then type: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:40] <reka> then replace everything in that file, with the stuff in the hyperlinl i sent
[04:40] <dapimp53> under ath0 it doesnt list any ip or anything
[04:40] <Xzallion> Um hold on, I will have to reinstall to check it, as my attempt to set up a vesa driver did not work and leads me to a black screen where I can not access the terminal.  I will be back when I have the message written down k?
[04:41] <root________> daniels, could you check that l-r-m is on the net install CD ?
[04:42] <daniels> root________: oh, net install *cd*?  thought you meant pxe boot.
[04:42] <bimberi> dapimp53: ok - if you click on properties in the Network setting window you should be able to set it up (hopefully)
[04:42] <daniels> root________: no, not really, sorry.  don't have any images to hand, and given australian dsl speeds, you'll be waiting longer for me to check than you could do it.
[04:42] <root________> daniels, lol, I just need to stick a CD in and get sources from the "interweb thingamajigger"
[04:44] <youth> how do i eject the CD again
[04:44] <youth> i forget the code.
[04:44] <youth> it pkill.. something
[04:44] <root________> youth, eject /mnt/cdrom ?
[04:44] <youth> no not that
[04:44] <youth> it was somethin else
[04:44] <youth> ill try
[04:44] <tiglionabbit> bob2: I don't see any library by that name or anything similar....  What GL Library do I need?
[04:45] <youth> that didnt work i am tyrin to get this cd to come out
[04:45] <nickrud> youth first, make sure you have all filemanager windows closed, and try ejecting.
[04:45] <youth> no matter what i do it just wont
[04:45] <ubuntiebuddy> I did something funny like power off while it was changing user info or something, and now when I login to change something, it gives me: "failed to run users-admin   child terminated with 1 status"
[04:45] <bob2> tiglionabbit: xlibmesa-gl-dev
[04:45] <reka> youth: right click on the drive's desktop icon and click unmount/eject
[04:46] <root________> wait..  now that I think about it..  I CAN just download packages from the internet and instal them, right ?  rather than downloading however many CDs ubuntu is supposed to be...
[04:46] <ray_> why wont the java repositories work?
[04:46] <ubuntiebuddy> I can't access administrative privelages, I get "failed to run users-admin  child terminated with 1 status
[04:46] <Discipulus> ifup lo isn't being run at startup, why not?
[04:46] <bob2> root________: ubuntu is one cd
[04:46] <bob2> you could probably do with a less annoying nick, tho
[04:46] <tiglionabbit> bob2: I have that one, but this thing still doesn't detect GL when configuring
[04:46] <reka> ray_: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[04:47] <tiglionabbit> I'm trying to install scourge
[04:47] <ray_> reka, oh thank you
[04:47] <youth> reka where exactly do i put this code?
[04:47] <HaroldJohnson> Hi everyone; can anyone tell me a command that will tell me the disk space I have left on my HD?
[04:47] <bimberi> HaroldJohnson: df
[04:47] <bob2> HaroldJohnson: df -h
[04:48] <HaroldJohnson> Thanks, Bom and Bim
[04:48] <bddebian> HaroldJohnson: Any relation to Howard Johnson? ;-)
[04:48] <reka> youth: you replace the contents of sources.list with it.
[04:48] <youth> all of the contents?
[04:48] <reka> yes
[04:48] <HaroldJohnson> bddebian: We're closing down all our restaurants, sadly.
[04:49] <HaroldJohnson> bddebian: You're so original!  ;0
[04:49] <HaroldJohnson> ;)
[04:49] <bddebian> heh
[04:49] <HaroldJohnson> Okay, because of that, I'm outta here...
[04:49] <nickrud> lol
[04:49] <bddebian> :'-(
[04:49] <HaroldJohnson> Just kidding - I'm going to check my disk space.
[04:50] <root________> does ubuntu use xorg or xfree ?
[04:50] <reka> xorg
[04:50] <reka> well, hoary does.
[04:50] <bddebian> reka: Warty did?
[04:50] <bddebian> Oh :-)
[04:50] <HaroldJohnson> Rumor has it that Warty used xfree?
[04:50] <lwatcdr> Hello any one here gotten the extra buttons in an HP internet keyboard to work?
[04:50] <reka> warty uses xfree
[04:50] <reka> bddebian:  think so
[04:50] <root________> alright..  now I'm curious about something...
[04:51] <HaroldJohnson> (Wait a minute, I'm supposed to not be here.)
[04:51] <reka> lwatcdr: sys > pref > k/b shortcuts
[04:51] <lwatcdr> Tried that reka
[04:51] <root________> If I install today..  when the next version comes out (whatever's after hoary) will I need to reinstall, or just apt-get update whatever ?
[04:51] <youth> reka, still no luck
[04:51] <reka> lwatcdr: ah, you probably have to do it another way then.  'd search ubforums first.
[04:51] <youth> i dunno what the heck happene d
[04:51] <lwatcdr> I set the keyboard to a 5181 but I can not get any of the buttons to assign.
[04:52] <bddebian> root________: Change sources.list, apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:52] <reka> i'd
[04:52] <daniels> root________: dist-upgrade
[04:52] <youth> i replaced EVERYTHING with that code
[04:52] <reka> youth: did you replace it?
[04:52] <reka> youth: you prefer to use synaptic or CL?
[04:52] <youth> synaptic
[04:52] <nickrud> lwatcdr look under system-prefs-keyboard-layouts-keyboard model, if you're lucky it's there.
[04:52] <reka> youth: save the file and close it, then open synaptic and click on reload
[04:52] <reka> then search for wine
[04:53] <lwatcdr> I did look for there nickrud  but There are a couple of keybards. I have no idea which one mine is.
[04:53] <lwatcdr> No labels I did run xkyb from the hotkeys site and it said it was a 5181
[04:53] <nickrud> lwatcdr I'm not sure how to check a keyboard, except to look at the label :)
[04:54] <reka> lwatcdr: look on the bottom :)
[04:54] <reka> or underside rather
[04:54] <lwatcdr> Did that. No clear markings.
[04:54] <reka> how old is it? :-/
[04:54] <lwatcdr> But a pn maybe. 5185
[04:55] <HaroldJohnson> bddebian: After you've updated to Hoary from Warty using apt-get update/apt-get dist-upgrade, is there anything else that needs to be done?
[04:55] <lwatcdr> Hummm
[04:55] <Ratmann> Hello all
[04:55] <bddebian> HaroldJohnson: Shouldn't be
[04:55] <bddebian> Hello Ratmann
[04:55] <lwatcdr> Now if I can find the correct keyboard layout for it.
[04:55] <Ratmann> Can anyone help me with a quick problem?
[04:56] <ray_> does anybody know how i can have white text on a black background in the terminal?
[04:56] <Ratmann> I'm trying to unrar a file, and i can't seem to get it work extract
[04:56] <lwatcdr> Okay you know I did look at that label about 6 times and did not see that part number.
[04:56] <tiglionabbit> Ratmann: you may need unrar-nonfree
[04:56] <reka> ray_: edit > current pofile > colors tab
[04:56] <tiglionabbit> apt-get it from restricted
[04:56] <Ratmann> Oh
[04:56] <alberto_> Hello
[04:56] <HaroldJohnson> bddebian: After upgrading following that method (apt-get), do I need to move the vmlinux-2.6.8.1-3-powerpc kernel and initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-powerpc file to my Mac partition for BootX?
[04:57] <ray_> reka, thanks....by the way your java adviceworked great! thank you
[04:57] <lwatcdr> thanks reka. No I need to diddybop over to the gnome channel.
[04:57] <nickrud> tiglionabbit Ratmann not to butt in, but unrar-nonfree is in multiverse
[04:57] <reka> ray_: it should've.  an op wrote the instructions. :)
[04:57] <Ratmann> Lemme try and find it
[04:57] <Ratmann> Hm
[04:58] <Ratmann> Dunno
[04:58] <Ratmann> I'm pretty new to linux soo
[04:58] <bddebian> HaroldJohnson: Ugh, bootx.. :-)  Yes, probably
[04:58] <comadreja> how do I make an automatic reconfig of xorg ?
[04:59] <ray_> reka, after all this time those colors were that easy tochange....lol
[04:59] <HaroldJohnson> bddebian: When does the kernel change?  During every upgrade, even of packages?  Do you know by any chance?
[04:59] <tiglionabbit> nickrud: thank you
[04:59] <tiglionabbit> Ratmann: you may want to read the repositories howto then
[04:59] <ray_> what theme do you guys use?
[04:59] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[04:59] <ubotu> repositories is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:59] <nickrud> Ratmann then, ubuntu sources come from four places: main (the free stuff canonical provides) restricted (the non free stuff that canonical provides)
[05:00] <Ratmann> Hm
[05:00] <nickrud> universe (the free stuff that volunteers provide) and multiverse (the non free stuff that volunteers provide)
[05:00] <reka> ray_: Human.  i just change the window border to clearlooks-deepsky.
[05:00] <bddebian> Doesn't Ubuntu have virtual ttys you can switch to?
[05:02] <nickrud> Ratmann and tiglionabbit has pointed you towards getting them all :)
[05:02] <comadreja> please, I've got a screwed breezy, and X won't start. How do I make an automatic reconfig of X
[05:02] <Victus> Hey is anyone else having trouble playing quicktime videos?
[05:02] <Ratmann> hehe
[05:03] <reka> comadreja: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will attempt to reconfigure it
[05:03] <comadreja> reka: something more like... the installer, that asks no questions ?
[05:04] <bimberi> bddebian: If you mean <ctrl><alt>F1 to F6  - then yes
[05:04] <reka> afaik, nothing exists for that.  which is why you should backup before changing it. sorry
[05:05] <bddebian> bimberi: Yes, they have them or yes, the don't? :-)
[05:06] <bimberi> bddebian: ubuntu has them :)
[05:06] <bddebian> bimberi: Then why can't I switch to them? :-)
[05:06] <misfit_toy> best dvd bin/cue burner for ubuntu is?
[05:06] <bimberi> comadreja: Maybe "sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg" is worth a try
[05:07] <bimberi> bddebian: sry don't know - remapped k/b shortcut ?
[05:08] <bddebian> bimberi: It switches but I don't get a prompt, it's a blank screen
[05:08] <trebuchet> hello
[05:09] <nickrud> now, that is a nick, trebuchet :)
[05:09] <trebuchet> :)
[05:09] <jasoncohen> why the hell hasn't jdong removed konversation 0.18 from backports? it has a broken dependency which requires kdelibs4 3.4.1 and this prevents kubuntu-desktop from being installed
[05:09] <adwait> hehe
[05:09] <eL_DemeNteGT> #ubuntu-es
[05:09] <jasoncohen> and ubuntu users are being told to install KDE 3.4.1 to fix the problem when they only have to do sudo apt-get install konversation=0.16-1ubuntu1
[05:10] <trebuchet> yup, anybody who's anybody loves medievel weaponry :-D
[05:10] <adwait> heh
[05:10] <nickrud> hm, maybe I'll try mangonel
[05:10] <nickrud> if I could spell
[05:10] <adwait> lol.i hv seen everyone of them only in AOE
[05:10] <adwait> :D
[05:10] <adwait> magonel?
[05:11] <trebuchet> greekfire... brownies... pitchfork
[05:12] <bimberi> bddebian: I have a number of processes with /sbin/getty 38400 tty# - I wonder what starts those
[05:12] <reka> jasoncohen: can't you email the dev then?
[05:13] <bddebian> If Recovery Mode asks for a root password, what do you use?
[05:13] <jasoncohen> reka, i made several posts telling users how to fix the problem and i created a new thread on the backports forum telling jdong to fix the problem - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=47258
[05:13] <bob2> bddebian: it doesn't
[05:13] <Aerebus> Samus_Aran you in here?
[05:13] <reka> ah, i see.
[05:13] <jasoncohen> reka, it amazes me that other ubuntu users are telling people to install KDE 3.4.1 to fix this issue. Talk about overkill
[05:13] <bddebian> bob2: It's asking ubuntiebuddy for one.  "Enter root password or Ctl-D to continue"
[05:13] <lumberjack> when i mounted my /dev/sda1 it changed the folder i mounted it in permissions
[05:13] <jasoncohen> this is why newbies shouldn't use backports
[05:14] <bob2> then ubuntiebuddy did something silly that they need to tell us about
[05:14] <rob^> soon newbies wont have to
[05:14] <lumberjack> and when i do mount -rw it still does it
[05:14] <jasoncohen> rob^, what do you mean?
[05:14] <reka> jasoncohen: well, i can't really say anything: [1]  i am not a KDE fan [2]  i avoid BP like the plague
[05:14] <rob^> once breezy is release most of the sought after packages will be included in the normal mirrors
[05:15] <jasoncohen> reka, it's been in BP for nearly 3 weeks and there are numerous posts on the forums about this issue
[05:15] <Take_Da_Fish> my evolution has crashed.. can anyone tell me how I can reinstall it or rebuild the database?
[05:15] <bddebian> bob2: Well I'm trying to help him but this portion of Ubuntu is still a little greek to me
[05:15] <jasoncohen> how the hell did this get out of staging? it prevents a user from installing KDE...isn't that a big enough "bug"?
[05:15] <shad0w1e> if you want KDE, MEPIS is probably a better distro for you
[05:15] <jasoncohen> sure, it's easy to fix by forcing the correct version but still
[05:15] <lumberjack> when i mount my harddrive it changes the folders permissions i mount it in to root
[05:16] <bob2> mepis is a worse choice if you want a real supported O
[05:16] <bob2> S
[05:16] <trebuchet> i've got a sapphire radeon 9200se 128mb 8x agp graphics card. how should i go about installing which drivers?
[05:16] <reka> jasoncohen: heh, well good on you for trying to tell people the right way.
[05:16] <jasoncohen> and now a bunch of new ubuntu users might have problems upgrading to breezy now that they have kde 3.4.1 installed
[05:16] <Take_Da_Fish> my evolution has crashed.. can anyone tell me how I can reinstall it or rebuild the database?
[05:16] <hondje> !ati
[05:16] <ubotu> rumour has it, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:16] <bob2> trebuchet: pretty sure you don't need to do anything
[05:16] <reka> trebuchet: easy way: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowTo
[05:16] <bob2> jasoncohen: using backports has historicaly broken upgrades anyway
[05:17] <trebuchet> this driver that was auto0installed isnt 3d accellerated
[05:17] <jasoncohen> bob2, well, it shouldn't now with the package naming scheme. jdong uses ~ so the packages are all below the breezy version
[05:17] <bob2> mostly
[05:17] <jasoncohen> bob2, this was discussed in the meeting that made backports official
[05:17] <bob2> trebuchet: well, it did for mine, but: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:17] <bob2> jasoncohen: yes, I was there
[05:17] <adwait> fishynet: if u want to reinstall, u could remove and install again  i guess
[05:17] <adwait> *take_da_fish
[05:18] <ubuntu_> can someone help me with a small problem
[05:18] <ubuntu_> somebody?
[05:18] <bob2> ubuntu_: you need to ask...
[05:18] <ubuntu_> im trying to run a command
[05:18] <ubuntu_> csh install
[05:18] <jasoncohen> i was surprised how civil Amaranth was compared to the other devs who at first seemed quite hostile. I thought he opposed backports.
[05:18] <ubuntu_> and it says command not found
[05:18] <bob2> ubuntu_: why are you trying to run that?
[05:18] <cam> ubuntu_: you don't have csh installed
[05:19] <jasoncohen> Take_Da_Fish, what happened to the evolution db?
[05:19] <adwait> ubuntu_: try this sudo apt-get install csh
[05:19] <Take_Da_Fish> ubuntu_: my evolution has crashed.. can anyone tell me how I can reinstall it or rebuild the database?
[05:19] <jasoncohen> Take_Da_Fish, just because it crashed doesn't mean you lost everything
[05:19] <bob2> I thought everyone was quite civil
[05:19] <Take_Da_Fish> i know that
[05:19] <nickrud> jasoncohen I just hover around the fringes, but most dev's seem to hate things that screw up their work.
[05:19] <Take_Da_Fish> but i can't restart evolution
[05:19] <jasoncohen> Take_Da_Fish, why do you want to reinstall it then?
[05:19] <adwait> Take_Da_Fish: : u can remove with apt-get remove and install with apt-get install
[05:19] <Take_Da_Fish> i want to reinstall evolution
[05:19] <jasoncohen> Take_Da_Fish, ps -ax | grep evolution
[05:19] <cam> Take_Da_Fish:  can you not start it now?
[05:19] <bob2> Take_Da_Fish: that's not going to help unless you have disk corruption
[05:20] <Take_Da_Fish> no.. it just sits there an my hard disk goes flat out
[05:20] <jasoncohen> adwait, he already has it installed so he would probably want to use apt-get install --reinstall evolution
[05:20] <Take_Da_Fish> it doesn't open up.. the screen does but doesn't fully load.. its like it trying to open somethign up but can't
[05:20] <jasoncohen> Take_Da_Fish, what does ps -ax | grep evolution do?
[05:20] <jasoncohen> does it show you any running evolution processes
[05:20] <adwait> jasoncohen:: hmm.....k
[05:20] <Aliska> hi..
[05:20] <cam> Take_Da_Fish:  if worse comes to worse you would just need to delete your ~/.evolution directory (assuming something got screwed up there, which is unlikely)
[05:21] <jasoncohen> adwait, man apt-get for all its features
[05:21] <jasoncohen> adwait, and man apt-cache too
[05:21] <reka> apt-get -h as well :)
[05:21] <daniels> hm, indonesian ubuntu.  rock.
[05:21] <jasoncohen> cam, he probably just has a zombie evolution process which he needs to kill
[05:21] <nickrud> Take_Da_Fish don't delete ~/.evolution, just move it to ~/evolution-maybe-screwed, and try running evolution again
[05:21] <Take_Da_Fish> thanks guys, I'll try tht..im on my lappy and its in another room
[05:21] <adwait> jasoncohen: hmm......i did man apt-get b4, but i was looking for an action like install or remove :)
[05:21] <ubuntu_> ADwait - I ran sudo apt-get install csh, then it said (reading package lists (done) then building dependency chain(done) then it says E: couldnt find package csh
[05:21] <ubuntu_> ADWAIt
[05:21] <jasoncohen> Take_Da_Fish, did you do ps -ax | grep evolution ?
[05:22] <cam> jasoncohen:  yeah probably (i don't run evolution, but if something is screwed up it would be there in the home dir, not the actual binary itself)
[05:22] <jasoncohen> Take_Da_Fish, it's in universe. you need to enable the universe repository
[05:22] <adwait> ubuntu_: thts odd........u have universe/multiverse in ur repos?
[05:22] <ubuntu_> i dont know
[05:22] <jasoncohen> woops
[05:22] <ubuntu_> how do i check
[05:22] <jasoncohen> ubuntu_, it's in universe. you need to enable the universe repository
[05:22] <adwait> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:22] <adwait> !repos
[05:22] <ubotu> adwait: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:22] <ubuntu_> im sorry im a beginner, but i really need help
[05:23] <jasoncohen> ubuntu_, read this first - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[05:23] <adwait> !reposistories
[05:23] <ubotu> adwait: I don't know, could you explain it?
[05:23] <adwait> uuh....whts the spelling
[05:23] <adwait> !repostories
[05:23] <ubotu> I don't know, adwait
[05:23] <adwait> !repositories
[05:23] <ubotu> methinks repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:23] <reka> !repositories
[05:23] <adwait> yay
[05:23] <jasoncohen> ubuntu, and then read this for instructions how - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:24] <misfit_toy> best dvd bin/cue burner for ubuntu is?
[05:24] <ubuntu_> !reposistories says EVENT NOT FOUND
[05:24] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, ubuntu_
[05:24] <dapimp53_> hmmmm it says my wireless is connected but I cant connect to any web pages or ping anything
[05:25] <adwait> ubuntu_:?? tht is just a command for the bot tht we have in the chatroom
[05:25] <jasoncohen> dapimp53_, does ifconfig show that you have an IP?
[05:25] <adwait> ubuntu_: u dont enter that at the prompt
[05:25] <root________> so I'm going to install ubuntu for my girlfriend on her laptop...  But I need to split the drive in half first, for she has windows XP and doesn't want to lose it yet..  what should I use to resize the partition
[05:25] <ubuntu_> beginner
[05:25] <ubuntu_> :)
[05:26] <adwait> anyway.......ubuntu_: paste ur /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl and paste the URL here
[05:26] <reka> root________: you can edit the partitions in the installer.  resize XP and whatnot.
[05:26] <nickrud> ubuntu_ then, you've come to the right place :)
[05:26] <dapimp53_> jasoncohen: when I choose the DHCP no... if I set the ip to go on my network it say it has the IP I entered
[05:26] <jasoncohen> dapimp53_, do you have a DHCP server?
[05:26] <bob2> misfit_toy: cdrdao, I'd assume
[05:26] <root________> reka, the partition will not get destroyed and such ?
[05:26] <heinrich> does ubuntu include the x windows system?
[05:27] <misfit_toy> bob2, but with GUI...
[05:27] <jasoncohen> heinrich, yes
[05:27] <adwait> heinrich: yes
[05:27] <reka> root________: hopefully not. :)  defrag first to get the maximum space
[05:27] <jasoncohen> heinrich, if you use a regular desktop install- no if you do a server install
[05:27] <dapimp53_> I have comcast cable and they connect to the net via DHCP.... Normally I can connect to my netgear router using the DHCP as well
[05:27] <heinrich> alright
[05:27] <jasoncohen> heinrich, you can see exactly what ubuntu installs by checking the dependencies on ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop
[05:27] <reka> root________: then select "manually edit partition table", highlight the windows partition, select the size field and press enter, then enter a new size.
[05:27] <nickrud> ubuntu_ if you're a beginner, then, why do you want csh? (not that it's wrong, just, suggesting you keep the clutter down for now)
[05:27] <reka> in the installer
[05:28] <jasoncohen> heinrich, see http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/misc/kubuntu-desktop and http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/base/ubuntu-base
[05:28] <jasoncohen> heinrich, a server install just uses ubuntu-base. a desktop uses both
[05:28] <ubuntu_> im trying to install equinox 3d and it said extract and run csh install
[05:28] <ubuntu_> ADWAIT <-----http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/441
[05:28] <root________> reka, will it resize the filesystem and everything like partition magic (which I don't have anymore u,.,u) or will it just mark it as smaller ?
[05:29] <dapimp53_> would it help anything if i plugged in to it via a hardwire
[05:29] <dapimp53_> then tryed the wireless
[05:29] <adwait> ubuntu_: every line in ur sources is commented out :S
[05:29] <reka> root________: it will shrink the windows partition to create some free space (assuming windows originally took up the entire drive)
[05:29] <adwait> remove the # at the beggining of line 20
[05:29] <jasoncohen> holy crap...this has got to be a joke!
[05:29] <reka> root________: you can then use the free space and auto-partition it for ubuntu.
[05:30] <adwait> 20, 23, 26
[05:30] <root________> reka, it will properly resize the NTFS partition though, leave it in a usable, preferably error free state ?
[05:30] <soft_talk> hi there folks
[05:30] <jasoncohen> the guy who packaged the broken konversation says there's nothing wrong with requiring users to install KDE 3.4.1 to get one new package...and he said " Mez packaged Konversation with deps on 3.4.1 so users would upgrade"
[05:30] <adwait> ubuntu_: sudo gedit /etc/sources.list and remove the # from line 20, 23 ,26 as seen in the pastebin
[05:30] <jasoncohen> Mez..heh
[05:30] <reka> root________: done it twice, haven't had problems before.
[05:30] <ubuntu_> okay and save
[05:30] <reka> root________: backup first of course :)
[05:30] <dapimp53_> jasoncohen: any ideas?
[05:31] <adwait> ubuntu_:right
[05:31] <adwait> ubuntu_: after that sudo apt-get update
[05:31] <adwait> ubuntu_:after that apt-get install csh
[05:31] <jasoncohen> dapimp53_, well, it sounds like your DHCP server isn't working? do you have DHCP enabled on your router? try using wired ethernet first
[05:31] <jasoncohen> reka, can you believe that response from backports?
[05:31] <root________> reka, alright..  thank you very much :)  *glomp*
[05:32] <ubuntu_> i edited in text editor and tried to save it wont let me though
[05:32] <adwait> ubuntu_: did u use sudo b4 gedit?
[05:32] <reka> jasoncohen: heh, not very good of him.
[05:32] <adwait> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list ubuntu_
[05:33] <ubuntu_> in root terminal?
[05:33] <ubuntiebuddy> I'm having a problem with Ubuntu accepting passwords, anything requiring password verification through the GUI, I can't get to. It gives me "Failed to run users-admin  Child terminated with 1 status
[05:33] <adwait> yeah sure........in root terminal skip the sudo
[05:33] <jasoncohen> reka, he's an idiot...if he's going to do that, he should tell users that they need kubuntu's sources to use backports!
[05:33] <trebuchet> ubuntu really rocks
[05:33] <adwait> in root terminal just use gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:33] <reka> jasoncohen: are there major differences b/n the default konv and the one in BP?
[05:33] <ubuntiebuddy> help! help! I'm having a problem with Ubuntu accepting passwords, anything requiring password verification through the GUI, I can't get to. It gives me "Failed to run users-admin  Child terminated with 1 status
[05:33] <trebuchet> gotta love a system that just works well
[05:33] <jasoncohen> reka, no clue- i bet there isn't
[05:34] <MrJung_> hello
[05:34] <jasoncohen> reka, and backports doesn't have a changelog so i'll have to check breezy
[05:34] <jasoncohen> reka, you know some people...it's 2 digits higher so it must be better!
[05:34] <adwait> ubuntiebuddy:  u in sudoers list?
[05:34] <nickrud> ubuntiebuddy wow, that is a unique error
[05:34] <reka> jasoncohen: exactly!
[05:35] <reka> jasoncohen: i used BP once and broke my system...never used it since.
[05:35] <adwait> nickrud: not really....saw a bunch of them in the forums/here.........no idea abt the soln though
[05:35] <adwait> :)
[05:35] <jasoncohen> reka, http://konversation.kde.org/
[05:35] <ubuntiebuddy> I can't get to root terminal
[05:35] <jasoncohen> reka, i bet it could have used kde 3.4.0 libs just fine...the guy who built it  was probably just lazy and dumb
[05:35] <ubuntiebuddy> because from the GUI you need a password to get to it
[05:35] <adwait> ubuntiebuddy: in normal terminal use sudo
[05:35] <ubuntiebuddy> and I'm a stinking nweb
[05:35] <adwait> u cant use gksudo
[05:35] <jasoncohen> reka, why aren't these packages built on a hoary system?
[05:35] <reka> nickrud: ubuntiebuddy turned his computer off in the middle of verification iirc
[05:36] <nickrud> adwait and, there's no man page :)
[05:36] <reka> jasoncohen: no idea.
[05:36] <nickrud> reka verification meaning ...
[05:36] <adwait> nickrud: man page for....?
[05:36] <nickrud> user-admin
[05:36] <lumberjack> when i try to play an mp3 in xmms it freezes
[05:36] <lumberjack> i have alsa insatlled
[05:36] <nickrud> users-admin
[05:36] <lumberjack> and a sound blaser live!
[05:36] <ubuntiebuddy> is that what to do?
[05:36] <ubuntiebuddy> ok
[05:36] <adwait> nickrud: actually he'll probably get the same errro for anything tht uses gksudo
[05:37] <adwait> so the problem is with gksudo itself
[05:37] <reka> lumberjack: did you change the output plugin?
[05:37] <_crimsun> lumberjack: what type of sblive specifically?
[05:37] <ubuntu_> ADWAIT <---- i ran apt-get install csh <<---- LOOK GO TO http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/443
[05:37] <reka> lumberjack: btw, beep-media-player is nicer :)
[05:37] <adwait> ubuntu_: did u run sudo apt-get update?
[05:37] <nickrud> so, how does one fix gksudo?
[05:37] <ubuntu_> no
[05:37] <adwait> ubuntu_: first run that and try again
[05:38] <ubuntiebuddy> it says that I am not in the sudoers file
[05:38] <lumberjack> i had beep
[05:38] <ubuntu_> okay, its downloading
[05:38] <nickrud> doh, I need to think now and then
[05:38] <lumberjack> but i changed to xmms when it froze
[05:38] <ubuntu_> just a second
[05:38] <lumberjack> but it happens in both
[05:38] <adwait> ubuntuiebuddy: right.......well then add urself
[05:38] <lumberjack> reka, how?>
[05:38] <reka> lumberjack: did you change the output plugin?
[05:38] <reka> lumberjack: ctrl+p
[05:38] <lumberjack> reka, no, ok
[05:38] <ubuntu_> it looks like the script is working now ADwait!
[05:38] <_crimsun> lumberjack: what type of sblive?
[05:38] <reka> then search for an output plugin option
[05:38] <reka> then change it to alsa
[05:38] <adwait> ubuntu_: :)
[05:39] <ubuntiebuddy> how?
[05:39] <ubuntu_> thank you
[05:39] <adwait> ubuntu_: np
[05:39] <reka> lumberjack: if that doesn't work, ask crimsun (he's a sound guru)
[05:39] <adwait> ubuntiebuddy: what was the first user created on the pc?
[05:39] <auk> ubuntubuddy: got GNOME?
[05:39] <lumberjack> _crimsun, ls
[05:39] <lcharly_TheOne> how can i give sudo permission for another user
[05:39] <lumberjack> _crimsun, live! ls
[05:39] <_crimsun> lumberjack: do you mean an audigy ls?
[05:39] <nickrud> lcharly_TheOne sudo adduser <user> admin
[05:40] <adwait> lcharly_TheOne:  as root........visudo
[05:40] <ubuntiebuddy> well, I was editing
[05:40] <ubuntiebuddy> the users
[05:40] <Xzallion> Ok im back.  Hi everyone.  Same prob.  More information though
[05:40] <ubuntiebuddy> I think there's aproblem with the boxes that come up that you enter your password into
[05:40] <QMario> How can I scan using HP PSC 2410 in Ubuntu?
[05:40] <lcharly_TheOne> but i have a problem i erase the fisrt user and i create a new user but i can make sudos
[05:40] <lcharly_TheOne> and i cnat be root
[05:40] <lumberjack> _crimsun, 5.1 ls
[05:40] <adwait> ubuntiebuddy: actually ur not in the sudoers list, thts the problem
[05:41] <jasoncohen> reka, heh, i responded quite harshly. let's see if anything gets done- http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=245461#post245461
[05:41] <reka> QMario: apps > graphics > Xsane maybe?
[05:41] <adwait> lcharly_TheOne: use the root terminal emulator, application>system>root terminal
[05:41] <heinrich> how do you change from gnome to xwindows in ubuntu?
[05:41] <_crimsun> lumberjack: I need the lspci -v audio line
[05:41] <ubuntiebuddy> then how do I get there?
[05:41] <lcharly_TheOne> thanks
[05:41] <nickrud> ubuntiebuddy are you the guy that when you try to boot in recovery mode, you can't even log in?
[05:41] <lumberjack> _crimsun, ok
[05:41] <bddebian> nickrud: That is him
[05:41] <ubuntiebuddy> yeah
[05:41] <ubuntu_> Adwait, How do i check where it installed?
[05:41] <Xzallion> problem: Cannot start x server  Tried: sudo apt-get install Nvidia-glx   What happened: couldn't find the package Nvidia-glx
[05:41] <QMario> Reka, Xsane doesn't work and returns an error.
[05:41] <reka> heinrich: er, doesn't gnome run on top of xwindows?
[05:41] <ubuntiebuddy> that's me, couldn't access root from the recovery boot
[05:42] <_crimsun> Xzallion: not Nvidia-glx but nvidia-glx. Case-sensitive.
[05:42] <nickrud> heh, it's time for a recovery disk, and editing passwd, group and sudoers
[05:42] <adwait> ubuntu_: its probably in /usr/bin
[05:42] <QMario> It says "no device available".
[05:42] <ubuntu_> i checked but not there
[05:42] <auk> ubuntubuddy: got any valuabl edata on there?
[05:42] <ubuntu_> let me look again
[05:42] <heinrich> reka, oh
[05:42] <adwait> ubuntu_:wht happens if u type csh
[05:42] <adwait> ?
[05:42] <ubuntiebuddy> I KNEW WHERE THIS WAS GOING! :) and, no
[05:42] <trebuchet> how do i add an app to the application menu?
[05:42] <bddebian> nickrud: Damnit, I didn't even think of that
[05:42] <ubuntu_> it gives me a # on the next line
[05:42] <auk> wipe the disk an reinstall
[05:42] <ubuntu_> csh install?
[05:42] <nickrud> ubuntiebuddy lol, and I will NOT walk you thru it :)
[05:43] <dapimp53> I can get online no problem with my hardwire but not my wireless for some reason
[05:43] <adwait> ubuntiebuddy: u could boot to run level 1, but i hv been told tht y defaut all run levels are same in ubuntu
[05:43] <reka> QMario: is it detected in the device manager?
[05:43] <Xzallion> _crimsun: oh ok.  *smacks self in head* thanks I shall try to fix that.
[05:43] <ubuntiebuddy> lol, well thanks for your time, people
[05:43] <cafuego> !!!
[05:43] <reka> trebuchet: google for: smeg menu editor
[05:43] <ubotu> csh!! sucks!!
[05:43] <dapimp53> I plugged it in... surfed around the internet for a bit
[05:43] <dapimp53> then unplugged it and tried my wireless
[05:43] <dapimp53> nothing!
[05:43] <auk> trebuchet: /usr/share/applications
[05:43] <QMario> Yes.
[05:43] <QMario> It is a USB Printer.
[05:44] <_crimsun> lumberjack: did you change the xmms output plugin?
[05:44] <adwait> ubuntu_:i dunno wht csh install does............csh is a shell, like bash
[05:44] <ubuntu_> oh
[05:44] <lumberjack> how do i kill a process
[05:44] <lumberjack> its frozen
[05:44] <jasoncohen> dapimp53, did you setup your SSID & wep key correctly in network-manager?
[05:44] <lumberjack> i dont want to restart
[05:44] <adwait> lumberjack kill pid
[05:44] <adwait> kill <pid>
[05:44] <jasoncohen> dapimp53, you can't associate unless you have the right credentials
[05:44] <auk> or killall
[05:44] <cafuego> adwait: csh is like tcsh, not like bash.
[05:44] <_crimsun> lumberjack: pkill xmms
[05:44] <ubuntu_> hey adwait, if u follow this link and scroll down you will see what im trying to do http://www.equinox3d.com/Download.html
[05:44] <reka> QMario: [1]  search ubforums/google for scanner topics [2]  you may need to install a driver or something.
[05:44] <dapimp53> jasoncohen, I typed them exactly like I was told too
[05:44] <adwait> cafuego: i meant to say tht it is a shell......not similar to, but a shell just as bash is a shell
[05:45] <QMario> I tried the 'hpoj' driver, but it doesn't work.
[05:45] <cafuego> adwait: 'rc' rocks
[05:45] <QMario> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HpPscHpPhotosmartSeriesAllInOnePrinters
[05:45] <lumberjack> _crimsun, i changed it to alsa and it doenst work
[05:45] <meng> is Gnome 2.10.2 out for Ubuntu?
[05:45] <adwait> ubuntu_: hmm........why dont u chuck csh, and try ./Install in that directory
[05:46] <ubuntu_> says command not found
[05:46] <reka> QMario: hmm, not really sure as i don't have a scanner myself.
[05:46] <lumberjack> nevermind
[05:46] <_crimsun> lumberjack: how so? does it hang, or does it appear to play with no sound?
[05:46] <lumberjack> _crimsun, i got it nevermind
[05:46] <adwait> ubuntu_: first type bash
[05:46] <lumberjack> _crimsun, thanks alot 4 ur help
[05:46] <_crimsun> lumberjack: yw
[05:46] <adwait> ubuntu_: now go to the directory where u unzipped the files
[05:46] <adwait> ubuntu_: there ./Install
[05:47] <ksmurf> anyone have exper. with swat for samba?
[05:47] <ubuntu_> cannot execute binarry file
[05:47] <adwait> *sudo ./Install
[05:47] <bddebian> DAMNIT -1 bddebian.. :'-(
[05:47] <adwait> ooh....its a binary file...i thought it said a script
[05:47] <ubuntu_> adwait: it said install script
[05:47] <adwait> right.......so i figured its in install SCRIPT..
[05:48] <ksmurf> anyone have exper. with swat for samba?  I can't seem to get it right
[05:48] <adwait> ubuntu_: ok well...i dunno much abt this, so lets start following the instructions again :)....when u type csh Install what haooens?
[05:48] <ubuntu_> adwait: i thought it already installed, do you want me to post what happened when i ran apt-get install csh
[05:48] <cafuego> ubuntu_: what does 'head -n1
[05:48] <ksmurf> !swat
[05:48] <ubotu> ksmurf: I don't know
[05:48] <cafuego> ubuntu_: what does 'head -n1 ./Install' say?
[05:48] <trebuchet> what command do i use to install a deb?
[05:48] <ksmurf> !samba
[05:48] <ubotu> samba is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[05:48] <cafuego> trebuchet: dpkg -i foo.deb
[05:48] <adwait> ubuntu_: tht installed csh, not the software u r trying to install
[05:49] <ksmurf> tnx
[05:49] <ubuntu_> install: no such file or directory
[05:49] <auk> hehe or alien -i <pkg>
[05:49] <QMario> Ksmurf, what are you trying to do?
[05:49] <adwait> ubuntu_: try captilizing I, linux is case sensitive
[05:49] <adwait> Install is not same as install
[05:49] <competenCe> how would i move all the files in 1 directory off a shell into a ftp folder when i logon to ftp in the shell?
[05:49] <trebuchet> damn. not only does ubuntu rock, fresh from install but its got some kickass support in its support channel :-D thanks, guys
[05:49] <ubuntu_> hehe
[05:49] <ubuntu_> oh shit
[05:49] <ubuntu_> it just installed
[05:49] <cafuego> trebuchet: liar!
[05:49] <trebuchet> hehe
[05:50] <reka> trebuchet: what are you installing?
[05:50] <ubuntu_> adwait: lol, i didnt know linux was case sensitive
[05:50] <Stan__> When I boot my computer, it doesn't come up with any options before loading M$ windows.  How can I change the boot order within windows?
[05:50] <trebuchet> smeg
[05:50] <auk> not in the repositories?
[05:50] <reka> ah, forgot. :)
[05:50] <adwait> ubuntu_: :)...
[05:50] <grphx> Hey does ubuntu not support NTSF?
[05:50] <trebuchet> doesn't look like it
[05:50] <Razor-X> Stan__: you can't ;)
[05:50] <adwait> Stan__: XP?
[05:50] <holycow> Stan__, windows can't boot linux
[05:50] <Razor-X> you need to obtain a Linux floppy
[05:50] <meng>  grphx: there is only read support
[05:50] <holycow> you need to install grub boot loader
[05:50] <QMario> Does Ubuntu have another scanning program other than XSANE?
[05:50] <cafuego> grphx: For reading, yes.
[05:50] <auk> Stan__: BIOS?
[05:50] <Razor-X> graphx: it supports NTFS read support
[05:51] <Stan__> Yes, XP... how can I change boot order then?
[05:51] <grphx> Hm
[05:51] <auk> but not write
[05:51] <reka> Stan__: did you do anything recently?  sounds like you need to reinstall grub
[05:51] <grphx> I have music on an NTSF HD, but I can't get to it, and I'm kinda new to linux
[05:51] <adwait> Stan__: no freakin idea.....spent hours @ a friends place trying to do that :)
[05:51] <cafuego> !listkeys ntfs
[05:51] <grphx> I know you have to mount the HD, but I can't find it
[05:51] <ubotu> Factoid search of 'ntfs' by key (2 shown): ntfs ;; user accessible ntfs.
[05:51] <Razor-X> Stan__: get a bootable Linux floppy, and try and fix GRUB
[05:51] <meng>  grphx: but can always use captive
[05:51] <cafuego> !user accessible ntfs
[05:51] <cafuego> !tell grphx -about user accessible ntfs
[05:51] <Razor-X> I suggest just getting GAG (a nice boot-manager)
[05:51] <Razor-X> graphx: what's the mount-point?
[05:52] <Stan__> Well how can I change the boot order if My computer doesn't give me a chance before loading windows?
[05:52] <cafuego> grphx: Check what ubotu just /msg'd you.
[05:52] <Razor-X> Stan__: get a bootable floppy
[05:52] <Razor-X> do you know what that is?
[05:52] <reka> grphx: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[05:52] <ubuntu_> adwait: the program works, thank you very much, i am much obliged
[05:52] <Stan__> it doesn't even check the floppy!
[05:52] <adwait> ubuntu_: :) np
[05:52] <Stan__> i put one in and it still started!
[05:52] <Razor-X> Stan__: then change your BIOS settings
[05:52] <grphx> reka: I guess that link doesn't work
[05:52] <cafuego> Stan__: You need hot <esc> dor <del> well before that, so you can change the bios
[05:52] <Razor-X> is the floppy bootable?
[05:52] <Stan__> ok, can you tell me how?
[05:53] <sTyLo^^> yeap
[05:53] <sTyLo^^> yeap
[05:53] <Stan__> I don't have that option, cafeugo
[05:53] <meng> Razor-x: can just try using the install CD
[05:53] <Stan__> that is the whole problem
[05:53] <Razor-X> cafuego: on my old computer's Phoenix BIOS, it's F3
[05:53] <Razor-X> Stan__: you have to
[05:53] <cafuego> Stan__: What brand is the machine?
[05:53] <Stan__> Local company
[05:53] <Stan__> NERD
[05:53] <cafuego> Razor-X: I avoid phoenix bioses like the plague
[05:53] <Razor-X> ;)
[05:53] <Razor-X> cafuego: it was good for its time
[05:53] <reka> grphx: hmm, sorry bout that... old reference perhaps
[05:53] <auk> Stan__: try F1 or F2
[05:53] <meng> stan, isn't Del instead
[05:54] <grphx> Yeh, got an updated reference?
[05:54] <cafuego> Stan__: Can you give them a call and ask them how to get into the bios?
[05:54] <Razor-X> Stan__: try Esc, Del, F1, F2, or F3
[05:54] <Stan__> wait
[05:54] <Stan__> fixed!
[05:54] <reka> grphx: anyway, you'll need to edit fstab
[05:54] <meng> phoenix is Del
[05:54] <auk> huh?
[05:54] <Stan__> The screen didn't come up but I helled all the buttons down
[05:54] <Stan__> and it worked
[05:54] <cafuego> meng: AWARD is del
[05:54] <auk> grphx: i've got one working
[05:54] <Stan__> held*
[05:54] <reka> grphx: post the output of sudo fdisk -l to a pastebin
[05:54] <Razor-X> meng: not this old Phoenix
[05:55] <cafuego> Stan__: Cool. Now there will be a menu of a list. Iif a menu, go to the 'BOOT' options. If a list, go to the second item in the list.
[05:55] <cafuego> menu OR a list even
[05:55] <Razor-X> basically, make sure that the first device to boot is floppy
[05:55] <meng> intel is normally
[05:55] <trebuchet> ok, i want to get my pinnacle dc50 a/v capture card working... its got a zoran chipset
[05:55] <meng> f2
[05:55] <grphx> reka: http://pastebin.com/309279
[05:56] <meng> razor_x: can i suggest something?
[05:56] <auk> /dev/hda1               /mnt/xp                 ntfs            ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000                       0       0
[05:56] <trebuchet> lspci calls it: Zoran Corporation ZR36057PQC Video cutting chipset (rev 02)
[05:56] <auk> oops...sorry
[05:56] <meng> auk: use a pastebin
[05:56] <auk> pastebin?
[05:56] <meng> the the topic line
[05:56] <grphx> pastebin.com
[05:56] <reka> grphx: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[05:56] <reka> meng: it was one line
[05:56] <grphx> reka: Okay
[05:57] <reka> hardly a need for a pastebin
[05:57] <QMario> Has anyone hear scanned a picture or any other object using an HP PSC?
[05:57] <meng> does /dev/hda1               /mnt/xp                 ntfs            ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000                       0       0 looks like one line
[05:57] <auk> no
[05:57] <grphx> reka: I did what you said
[05:57] <reka> grphx: actually, better make a directory first like auk's example
[05:57] <grphx> like..
[05:58] <reka> grphx: sudo mkdir /media/NTFSdrive
[05:58] <auk> reka: why do that?
[05:58] <Harold_installin> Watching an install: It's like watching the grass grow.
[05:58] <reka> auk: otherwise where will it mount to?
[05:58] <bddebian> heh
[05:58] <auk> put something in /mnt/
[05:58] <Harold_installin> I've been watching the grass grow for a week now.
[05:58] <reka> grphx: now, it looks likeyou want to mount /dev/hdb1
[05:58] <Harold_installin> bddebian: I may be nearing the end of my installation.
[05:58] <auk> harold: lol
[05:59] <grphx> reka: That could be my WinXP installation but okay
[05:59] <Harold_installin> auk: Thanks for laughing at my expense, LOL
[05:59] <auk> np
[05:59] <reka> grphx: eh? i thought what you wanted was on the second drive?
[05:59] <grphx> Er yeh
[05:59] <grphx> I have two HDs
[05:59] <reka> grphx: look at your fdisk output and see which one you want.
[05:59] <reka> to mount
[05:59] <bddebian> Harold_installin: Nice
[05:59] <grphx> HD#1 is partitioned into a WinXP install and linux install
[06:00] <Harold_installin> bbdebian: If this is nearing completion, get ready to break out the champayne.
[06:00] <grphx> HD#2 is a 120GB of NTSF with music and stuff on it
[06:00] <reka> grphx: then it's the 2nd one :)
[06:00] <bddebian> Heh
[06:00] <grphx> okay
[06:00] <grphx> How did i view the fstab stuff without opening up the file?
[06:00] <Harold_installin> bddebian: Okay, gotta go finish up.
[06:00] <adwait> grphx: umm cat
[06:01] <adwait> cat /etc/fstab
[06:01] <reka> grphx: we need to edit it.
[06:01] <grphx> okay
[06:01] <Harold_installin> bddebian: Guess it's still installing ubuntu-desktop.
[06:01] <bddebian> Harold_installin: Good luck :-)
[06:01] <reka> grphx: append this to the end on a new line:
[06:01] <auk> grphx: don' tuse sudo
[06:01] <reka> grphx:  /dev/hdb1               /media/NTFSdrive                 ntfs            ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000                       0       0
[06:01] <Harold_installin> bddebian: Thanks, I'll need it, with this old PowerBook.
[06:01] <adwait> auk: how come? u can edit fstab w/o sudo?
[06:01] <auk> no
[06:02] <Harold_installin> bddebian: I love this PowerBook, but boy has this installation been a killer on 'er.
[06:02] <auk> he did not want to edit it
[06:02] <adwait> ah...k
[06:02] <solar_ANT> hey !!!!!
[06:02] <ubuntu_> anybody know a site that has linux commands so i can learn how to use the terminal
[06:02] <GNULinuxer> any idea if breezy is stable by now?
[06:02] <Harold_installin> bddebian: I have yet to see an Ubuntu GUI.  It's not *the* most important thing, but i'd like to see one, anyway.
[06:03] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer: nopes
[06:03] <jewel_> ubuntu_ search for bash tutorial
[06:03] <GNULinuxer> Razor-X, hmm
[06:03] <ubuntu_> ok, thank you jewel_
[06:03] <reka> Razor-X: how is your emacs/bash research going? :)
[06:03] <adwait> GNULinuxer: not much......but look at thge top
[06:03] <Razor-X> ubuntu_: you can look at an infantile version of my guide
[06:03] <Harold_installin> ubuntu: http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl.htm
[06:03] <auk> Harold: it';s just gnome
[06:03] <adwait> *topic
[06:03] <solar_ANT> hiiiii
[06:03] <Razor-X> reka: progressing along fine ;)
[06:03] <GNULinuxer> Razor-X, are you still on Hoary ?
[06:03] <Razor-X> I need someone to help with the "joe" section
[06:03] <jewel_> ubuntu_: http://www.hypexr.org/bash_tutorial.shtml
[06:03] <adwait> solar_ANT: hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[06:03] <adwait> :D
[06:03] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer: yes
[06:03] <solar_ANT> how do i run gmake in ubuntu ???????
[06:03] <solar_ANT> hey adwait  !!!
[06:03] <Harold_installin> auk: I haven't actually used Gnome yet.
[06:03] <auk> ever?
[06:03] <rob^> bah, has anyone installed daemontools before? which is the recommended approch, the djb format or fhs?
[06:04] <Razor-X> solar_ANT: wait for others to answer..............
[06:04] <nickrud> ubuntu_ get Using the Bash Shell, from O'Rielly
[06:04] <Aerebus> Can someone please help me fix my mouse? i've been trying to get it fixed for over an hour in #linux and i would hope someone from here could help since i'm using Ubuntu 5.04. Someone said my mouse has the wrong protocol and i put my xorg.conf up on http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/nVCWCg70.html
[06:04] <Harold_installin> auk: I'm used to KDE; although I did see a Fedora installation once, for a couple of hours or so.
[06:04] <QMario> :(
[06:04] <Razor-X> nickrud: I don't think you need a book for BASH
[06:04] <Razor-X> Harold_installin: you didn't get Kubuntu?
[06:04] <adwait> ubuntu_: http://linux-newbie.sunsite.dk/html/lnag.html try this
[06:04] <Razor-X> emacs is something a book is worth for, if you want its full power
[06:04] <QMario> Bye everyone.
[06:04] <auk> gnome is better :)
[06:04] <QMario> Good Night. :)
[06:04] <nickrud> Razor-X it was the best US$30 investment I've made in the last 5 years
[06:05] <Razor-X> so, no joe users?
[06:05] <dbernar1> night
[06:05] <auk> lol
[06:05] <Harold_installin> Razor-X: Didn't know about it until yesterday or so; besides, it's going to be a miracle if I can get this running on my old PowerBook at all.
[06:05] <Stan__> ok, now I discovered that this computer doesn't cooperate with any CD drive.  Is there anyother way to boot ubuntu on it?
[06:05] <QMario> Thank you for all your help. :)
[06:05] <solar_ANT> anyone knows abt gmake in ubuntu ?????
[06:05] <Razor-X> nickrud: I learned about BASH more through experience than anything else
[06:05] <grphx> fstab is readonly..
[06:05] <Razor-X> and, when time comes to formalize my scripting knowledge, there's a free book for that
[06:05] <jewel_> Aerebus
[06:05] <babyfire> hello all
[06:05] <nickrud> Razor-X yeah, but, I do like to learn from other's experience as well
[06:05] <Razor-X> Stan__: netinstall
[06:05] <auk> grphx: use sudo
[06:05] <reka> grphx: cos you didn't use sudo. :-/
[06:05] <Razor-X> nickrud: to each his own, my pocket book is very limited
[06:05] <jewel_> Aerebus: Did you try setting your device to /dev/input/mice?
[06:05] <Stan__> razor-x ok what is that?
[06:06] <ubuntu_> hey thank you guys
[06:06] <men1>  Stan__: check if the CD ROM is set as slave?
[06:06] <Harold_installin> Okay, back to my installing.
[06:06] <Razor-X> Stan__: installing using the interNet ;)
[06:06] <reka> auk: you told him not to.  see what happened? :)
[06:06] <auk> lol
[06:06] <Stan__> oh internet
[06:06] <auk> that's what he wanted
[06:06] <Aerebus> Jewel, thats what is was before someone told me to change it to /dev/psaux
[06:06] <Stan__> capital N confused me
[06:06] <gm78> Hey all. Does anyone know how to completely shut off my internal pc speaker in linux? The thing beeps for no reason, i have already gone through diagnostics in the bios and with other utilities which show nothing wrong with the system. It is driving me nuts
[06:06] <Stan__> thanks
[06:06] <nickrud> Razor-X yeah, so, let's point him at the Bash stuff at the linux documentation project, it's not bad
[06:06] <jewel_> Aerebus: I assume you have a PS/2 mouse...?
[06:06] <Aerebus> My mouse is moving all over the screen and clicking on all sorts of things
[06:06] <Razor-X> nickrud: definitely so
[06:06] <adwait> gm78: if it beeps at start up, there is some reason/meaning to it.luukup beep codes of ur BIOS
[06:07] <Razor-X> my BASH experience started stabbing at a system I couldn't get X working in
[06:07] <Razor-X> long ago, on a very old piece of machinery
[06:07] <reka> gm78: sys > prefs > sound > system bell
[06:07] <grphx> What is it, [sudo gedit /ect/fstab] ?
[06:07] <Aerebus> its a usb mouse with a ps2 adapter a logitech mx510 http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2142,CONTENTID=7982
[06:07] <men1> Aerebus: i've a touchpad that does the samething
[06:07] <adwait> grphx: right
[06:07] <babyfire> you guys i have a problem
[06:07] <jewel_> gm78: You can edit /etc/initrc
[06:07] <Razor-X> Aerebus: reccomending mice... tut tut
[06:07] <babyfire> and its sooo simple
[06:07] <grphx> It opens up a blank document though
[06:07] <Razor-X> mice pale in comparisin to trackballs
[06:07] <men1> i place 2 fingers on it to stop the funny movements
[06:07] <jewel_> gm78: I mean /etc/inputrc
[06:07] <adwait> grphx: check spelling
[06:07] <Razor-X> babyfire: i'm listening
[06:07] <gm78> adwait, it isnt, its after its been running for a while, checked system temp, nothing wrong with cpu temp or fans. voltage seems to be fine, i think it just hates me. where can i find those beep codes?
[06:07] <Razor-X> *comparison
[06:08] <auk> grphx: */etc/*
[06:08] <babyfire> i dont know how to unzip tar.gz files
[06:08] <nickrud> I own one book, that was it, and, inside, I have 4 pages from the aptitude docs. That's worked well for me over the years.
[06:08] <dbernar1> in unison, now
[06:08] <Razor-X> babyfire: tar -xzvf file.tar.gz
[06:08] <Moppin> babyfire, hehe, tar zxvf <filename>
[06:08] <babyfire> and its impossible to get anywhere
[06:08] <men1> babyfire: can just use archive manager
[06:08] <reka> babyfire: you could use natilus/fileroller
[06:08] <dbernar1> tar xzvf file.tar.gz
[06:08] <reka> babyfire: or tar zxf < filename>
[06:08] <adwait> gm78: hehe.......tht differs with the bios, which one do u have? and generally those beepcodes are only while startup, so i guess ur right, it just hates u :)
[06:08] <Razor-X> nickrud: I have almost $100 saved up
[06:08] <nickrud> Razor-X buy hardware :)
[06:09] <Razor-X> gonna spend it either on a Das Keyboard, an HHKL2, or a better MP3 Player
[06:09] <comadreja> any place I could find older, but not so old ubuntu packages ?
[06:09] <Razor-X> my keyboard is too plain, my trackball is just awesome ;)
[06:09] <gm78> jewel_, what do i change in that file, the descriptions in the file arent very descriptive
[06:09] <adwait> anybody here uses it? is it like very different from 32 bit performance wisE?
[06:09] <Madpilot> Razor-X: what's an HHKL2?
[06:09] <Moppin> Razor-X, you don't need a Das Keyboard, just type inthe dark :)
[06:09] <men1> is there a way to use window shares in a network automatically?
[06:09] <gm78> adwait, is there any way i can tell without rebooting which bios i have?
[06:09] <Razor-X> Madpilot: Happy Hacking Keyboard Lite 2
[06:09] <Razor-X> Moppin: darkness doesen't give weighted keys ;)
[06:09] <babyfire> ok where do i find my file at i downloaded it and it askedwhat i wanted to open it with i chose gzip and the file is no where to be found
[06:10] <adwait> gm78: not tht i know off........but we have bigger geeks here ;), one of thems gotta know
[06:10] <dbernar1> adwait, the processor uses more memory, but yeah, it should be faster
[06:10] <grphx> Okay I added that line and saved
[06:10] <Razor-X> my only grip is that, if the Ctrl key is weighted too much (which I've read it weighs more than the normal keys) my emacs'ing will suffer
[06:10] <jewel_> gm78: It's the line near the top that's commented out that says "set bell-style"
[06:10] <jewel_> That won't turn off the hardware though
[06:10] <adwait> dbernar1: hmm
[06:10] <nickrud> lol, then, switch to vim
[06:10] <Razor-X> nickrud: nooooooooooooooo!!!!
[06:11] <solar_ANT> hiiiii
[06:11] <Madpilot> Razor-X: oh cool. I learned to type on the old grey Mac kbs, sometimes the "standard" kb still feels too big...
[06:11] <Razor-X> you darest insultest ye?
[06:11] <grphx> So now is my NTSF HD mounted after i saved?
[06:11] <solar_ANT> i have a packgae with a makefile how do i
[06:11] <gm78> jewel_, that is only for tab completion and such though. if it is just beeping for no reason, will that shut it off?
[06:11] <adwait> grphx: no
[06:11] <nickrud> truthfully, I use vim cuz I started there, no other reason
[06:11] <Razor-X> I use Dvorak, so vi is a pain in the arse for me
[06:11] <solar_ANT> how do i run gmake to compile it
[06:11] <adwait> grphx: u hv to use sudo mount /dev/<hd whatever>
[06:11] <Razor-X> good to se another vim starter ;)
[06:11] <grphx> Should I make all the lines line up with the others?
[06:11] <auk> Razor-X: lol
[06:11] <Razor-X> compared to all these nano whelps
[06:11] <grphx> On that text file
[06:11] <_crimsun> Razor-X: I kinda like using my left hand for navigation
[06:11] <auk> emacs is better
[06:12] <solar_ANT> cuz make gives sme error
[06:12] <Razor-X> _crimsun: you mean aoeu ?
[06:12] <jewel_> gm78: No
[06:12] <dbernar1> nickrud: me too, a professor said that it is a good skill to have, since any unic will have vi.
[06:12] <solar_ANT> and documentation says to use gmake
[06:12] <Razor-X> because, that's my home row
[06:12] <Moppin> Razor-X, I've found that Dvorak setup does make vi very difficult.  Even Ctrl-C Ctrl-V is rought
[06:12] <_crimsun> Razor-X: nah, left hand for up and down; right for left and right
[06:12] <gm78> adwait, jewel_, is it possible for a bios to beep with the power cord unhooked from the computer? (please dont laugh if this is a stupid question :-P)
[06:12] <Razor-X> ewww, wasd ;)
[06:12] <jewel_> gm78: Not unless it's a laptop
[06:12] <Razor-X> I've never used WASD, even in my QWERTY days
[06:12] <men1> that would be so haunted
[06:12] <jewel_> gm78: If it were my computer I'd just go unplug the pc speaker
[06:12] <nickrud> dbernar1 I don't remember exactly how it happened, it was some tutorial on using bash, i think
[06:13] <Madpilot> "Attack of the Randomly Beeping Computer"...
[06:13] <adwait> jewel_: umm......can't ut use tht little Li-Ion battery ? which it uses for keeping time?
[06:13] <Razor-X> dunno why WASD caught on, i've been an arrow key user through and through in UT
[06:13] <jasoncohen> lol, this guy just doesn't get it. He doesn't see why preventing hoary users from installing KDE unless they install KDE 3.4.1 (a massive upgrade) is a bad idea when he admits he could easily have used kde 3.4.0 dependencies but chose not to because he thinks users should use 3.4.1. He also apparently doesn't feel the need to tell users before hand that they need kde 3.4.1 to use his package!
[06:13] <jasoncohen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=245481#post245481
[06:13] <gm78> jewel_, now that is odd, i unplugged it at one point and heard it. i cant think of anything tho that is sitting near my computer that could possible be beeping
[06:13] <Aerebus> Jewel, i'm back sorry my mouse disappeared
[06:13] <jewel_> Razor-X: I think you can remap all of your keys in vim to the corresponding devorak keys
[06:13] <_crimsun> jewel_: sure can
[06:13] <Madpilot> gm78: it's haunted. arrange for an exorcist...
[06:13] <_crimsun> jasoncohen: he must not be using 5.04.3 ;)
[06:13] <men1> Aerebus: mouse trap?
[06:13] <adwait> lol
[06:13] <jasoncohen> he also violated the new backport guidelines. backported packages are supposed to use hoary libraries only
[06:13] <Razor-X> jewel_: I probably can, regardless, I've fallen in love with emacs
[06:14] <auk> hehe
[06:14] <gm78> Madpilot, lol....arrange for a baseball bat is more like it
[06:14] <grphx> How do I show fstab without opening it?
[06:14] <jewel_> gm78: Some motherboards with integrated sound cards play the pc speaker through the regular speakers
[06:14] <adwait> gm78: how does it beep? short? long ?
[06:14] <jewel_> grphx: cat /etc/fstab
[06:14] <Razor-X> very nice for comparing two tex files, compile one on the side with a terminal, putting things in a scratch file, and yeah
[06:14] <auk> grphx: cat /etc/fstab
[06:14] <jasoncohen> _crimsun, he built the packages...he probably did so on a system with KDE 3.4.1 installed and he was too damn lazy to change dependencies
[06:14] <nickrud> plus, I don't code, so I never needed an extra operating system.
[06:14] <auk> oh. haha
[06:14] <jasoncohen> _crimsun, grr- some people shouldn't become maintainers
[06:14] <Razor-X> nickrud: I do ;)
[06:14] <vinux> what are some good ubuntu books?
[06:14] <men1> try the creepy a7n8x-e board startup sound
[06:14] <Razor-X> jasoncohen: i'm hoping to become one meself
[06:14] <jasoncohen> or make packages
[06:14] <gm78> jewel_, well mine has an integrated sound card, but it is not linux compat. so i have it shut off in the bios and am using a pci sound card
[06:14] <_crimsun> jasoncohen: err, which maintainer did that?
[06:15] <Madpilot> men1: you mean when it talks to you?
[06:15] <jasoncohen> _crimsun, this retard who makes packages for backports
[06:15] <gm78> adwait, when i backspace or tab in a terminal, it is short. this beeping is a bit longer
[06:15] <grphx> okay I did a sudo mount /dev/hdb1
[06:15] <Aerebus> men1, i'm sorry if i dont find that too humorous right now i'm very tired and i wish i hadnt just installed linux for the first time the other day i'm really trying desperately to get this fixed >.<
[06:15] <dbernar1> vinux: there is a ubuntu book?
[06:15] <jewel_> gm78: And it has no speakers attached?  Perhaps your modem?
[06:15] <jasoncohen> _crimsun, read this- http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=245481#post245481
[06:15] <TokenBad> what was command again to see free space on drives?
[06:15] <adwait> gm78: ok if u hv an Award bios, and it beeps during operation it could indicate overheating
[06:15] <vinux> dbernar1, Not sure that's why I'm asking
[06:15] <Razor-X> dbernar1: not really, as far as I can tell
[06:15] <tiglionabbit> TokenBad: df
[06:15] <_crimsun> jasoncohen: ah. I was about to say that none of us MOTUs would do that.
[06:15] <Harold_installin> What is Breezy's full name?
[06:15] <gm78> jewel_, winmodem that is not hooked up to anything
[06:15] <dbernar1> ya, I dunno of any neither
[06:15] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: Breezy Badger
[06:15] <jasoncohen> of course not- because MOTUs are intelligent
[06:15] <gm78> adwait, i already checked the system temps, they are sitting around where an athlon xp should be
[06:15] <jewel_> Harold: Breezy badger
[06:16] <Harold_installin> Tigli: Thanks
[06:16] <nickrud> Harold_installin Breezy badger
[06:16] <Harold_installin> Thanks Nick
[06:16] <tiglionabbit> lol everyone wants to answer that one
[06:16] <adwait> gm78: hmm.......k
[06:16] <dbernar1> jasoncohen: maybe it is an ignorance thing more than not intelligent, teach teh guy, I guess.
[06:16] <men1> Madpilot: the system says system is booting in a robotic female voice
[06:16] <TokenBad> thanks tiglionabbit
[06:16] <jasoncohen> they realize that requiring a massive system upgrade in order to install a desktop app is stupid especially when it's completely unnecessary
[06:16] <jewel_> Here's a better question... what comes after breezy
[06:16] <nickrud> heh, any one who's watching for the next version knows that one :)
[06:16] <tiglionabbit> Badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger MUSHROOM MUSHROOM
[06:16] <Razor-X> by the way... does anyone have an iRock 830 here working with Linux?
[06:16] <jewel_> I was thinking auntie anteater would sound good
[06:16] <grphx> Thank you, I got it working now!
[06:16] <Madpilot> men1: I know, I've got the Deluxe version of the same mobo. it's damned odd... :)
[06:16] <Harold_installin> Razor-X: Is that like an iRiver?
[06:17] <Razor-X> not really
[06:17] <Razor-X> it's an MP3 player though
[06:17] <jasoncohen> dbernar1, i tried explaining why what he did was bad but he just doesn't seem to get it. He says that 3.4.1 wasn't needed but he thinks " Any user who is using backports obviously wants the latest packages... why not KDE 3.4.1 as well?"
[06:17] <nickrud> 38 days and counting, till I install breezy for real
[06:17] <Harold_installin> Razor-X: In other words, a portable MP3 player?
[06:17] <Razor-X> exactly
[06:17] <Razor-X> i'ld think the iPod would be the stereotype there, but, meh
[06:17] <grphx> What's a good mp3 player for linux?
[06:17] <jasoncohen> dbernar1, he also doesn't think telling users that 3.4.1 is required to use his package is necessary either
[06:17] <men1> Aerebus: tried another pointing device?
[06:17] <adwait> grphx: i like rhythmbox
[06:17] <jasoncohen> and the consequence of his actions is to prevent KDE from being installed for hoary users
[06:17] <auk> yeah
[06:17] <dbernar1> jasoncohen: oh, yeah, cool, whatever, backports people are needy.
[06:17] <Razor-X> graphx: iRiver works famously
[06:17] <adwait> grphx: but u gotta d/l gstreamer for it
[06:17] <auk> adwait: *
[06:18] <Razor-X> and has OGG support as well
[06:18] <gm78> jewel_, i shut my speakers off and it still does it. this has me baffled. the thing is out of warranty and i dont feel like taking it in for tech work
[06:18] <jasoncohen> unless they know how to force a specific version
[06:18] <Razor-X> I think he meant portable MP3 player
[06:18] <adwait> auk: ?
[06:18] <jasoncohen> easy with synaptic but may not be obvious to newbies
[06:18] <tiglionabbit> jasoncohen: what?  We can use kubuntu
[06:18] <men1> Madpilot: there's an editor for windows for the sound
[06:18] <grphx> Is there a keystroke combo to go straight to the desktop?
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[06:18] <Razor-X> rythmbox is stupid, cplay is the way to go, coupled with mpg123 and ogg123 ;)
[06:18] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, no, if you use backports apt-get install kubuntu-desktop won't work...try it
[06:18] <Harold_installin> grphx: I would say the iRiver; I've had great luck with it on Linux.
[06:18] <adwait> aah.ok
[06:18] <auk> ctrl+alt+d
[06:18] <Razor-X> which basically is all the formats I love, MP3, OGG, and FLAC
[06:18] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, you must do sudo apt-get install konversation=0.16-1ubuntu1 first
[06:18] <tiglionabbit> really?
[06:19] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, kubuntu-desktop depends on konversation and this guy included a version of konversation that doesn't work with hoary
[06:19] <gm78> grphx, xmms or beep media player work good too, you can also download and compile wma plugins for them
[06:19] <auk> grphx: *
[06:19] <tiglionabbit> I got kubuntu on hoary though
[06:19] <adwait> razor-x: if u hv a large collection, rhythmbox is the only one i hv tried which lets u search
[06:19] <Harold_installin> grphx: But I've also heard the new Archos series has Linux installed on it.
[06:19] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, it requires kde 3.4.1 libs not in hoary
[06:19] <Razor-X> FLAC pwnz
[06:19] <tiglionabbit> it didn't have any problems
[06:19] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, do you have backports?\
[06:19] <tiglionabbit> uh...
[06:19] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, dpkg -l konversation
[06:19] <gm78> If it is some sort of hardware problem with my bios, wouldnt dmesg show some kind of output for it?
[06:19] <tiglionabbit> the only thing I got from backports was w32codecs I believe
[06:19] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, this only affects users that have backports enabled in their sources
[06:19] <grphx> what the heck
[06:19] <doug_> A Problem: all of a sudden ubuntu won't accept my usb optical mouse.  Any suggestions?
[06:19] <tiglionabbit> ii  konversation          0.16-1ubuntu1         user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client for KDE
[06:19] <Razor-X> adwait: cplay does as well
[06:19] <Madpilot> men1: ya. wanted to edit mine to say "Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated" - but then I stopped using Windows... :)
[06:19] <grphx> The music player can't handle mp3s?
[06:20] <Razor-X> cplay is all comand-line, though
[06:20] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, you have the hoary version installed
[06:20] <jewel_> aerebus: Take a look at "man 4x mouse"
[06:20] <tiglionabbit> ah
[06:20] <Razor-X> which is what I love about cplay, nice and compact
[06:20] <jewel_> aerebus: There are a lot of settings you can play with
[06:20] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, konversation 0.18-1~5.04ubp1 is broken
[06:20] <auk> grphx: you need to install an dadditional package
[06:20] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, read my post -  only affects users that have backports enabled in their source
[06:20] <jasoncohen> sorry
[06:20] <nickrud> !w32codecs
[06:20] <ubotu> I heard w32codecs is a set of codecs needed to play many common audio and video formats, such as WMV. You can install w32codecs from the Backports repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org).
[06:20] <Aerebus> Jewel, sorry my mouse is going crazy right now
[06:20] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=245481#post245481
[06:20] <jewel_> aerebus: Are you still here?  I just realized I have the same mouse
[06:20] <tiglionabbit> hm, ok then.  Well tell people not to have backports enabled when they install kubuntu?
[06:21] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, i told them how to force the hoary version
[06:21] <Aerebus> Jewel, i'm here
[06:21] <nickrud> hm, that should mention adding those repositories, getting w32codecs, and then commenting out the backports
[06:21] <men1> Madpilot: take a spare partiton and install wndows, use the app, hten remove windows once done
[06:21] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, it's a one line fix but most users won't know to do it
[06:21] <grphx> Does ubuntu come with a windows emulator?
[06:21] <dbernar1> dont have backports enabled ubnless you are installing something from them...
[06:21] <nickrud> for general use
[06:21] <dbernar1> at all.
[06:21] <jasoncohen> tiglionabbit, sudo apt-get install konversation=0.16-1ubuntu1 will install the version from hoary
[06:21] <adwait> how do i search in cplay?
[06:21] <tiglionabbit> k
[06:21] <auk> grphx: install wine
[06:21] <jasoncohen> you can also do the same with synaptic
[06:22] <jewel_> aerebus: The setting I suspect will help you is the samplerate setting
[06:22] <gm78> grphx, what do u mean by windows emulator. wine allows u to use some windows apps, but very few and it is sort of hit and miss. crossover office is a little bit better, but it costs money
[06:22] <Harold_installin> If I want to use xcde3, do I need xserver-xorg?
[06:22] <jewel_> aerebus: But I don't know what you would set it to
[06:22] <adwait> cedega if u want to spend money
[06:23] <gm78> grphx, vmware and win4lin actually allow you to run windows on top of linux
[06:23] <Madpilot> men1: might do that; need to stick XP in a partition anyway to convert some non-Ubuntu-readable files...
[06:23] <tiglionabbit> !windows
[06:23] <ubotu> somebody said windows was Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[06:23] <gm78> grphx, both cost money though
[06:23] <tiglionabbit> !alternative
[06:23] <grphx> Bah I can just reboot to windows, nevermind.
[06:23] <ubotu> hmm... alternative is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[06:23] <grphx> I kinda wish I could read/write to my "archives" HD
[06:23] <tiglionabbit> grphx: is it ntfs?
[06:23] <Harold_installin> grphx: Everything doesn't run in Linux, but neither does everything run on Windows.
[06:23] <grphx> yeh
[06:24] <gm78> jewel_, adwait, do u think it is safe to just continue using my computer if it doesnt say anything about heating problems?
[06:24] <Razor-X> be back in a bit, people
[06:24] <tiglionabbit> grphx: you can read it.  You just can't write from linux
[06:24] <Harold_installin> grphx: It depends on the apps you're depending on.  Can you give up those Windows apps, or most of them?
[06:24] <grphx> Yeh
[06:24] <nickrud> Harold_installin yeah, you need X, you can get the minimum by doing aptitude install x-window-system-core
[06:24] <grphx> I do a lot of video/graphic editing..
[06:25] <grphx> But all my music and videos are on that other HD
[06:25] <Harold_installin> nickrud: Do you know how to do this from the terminal?
[06:25] <nickrud> Harold_installin I just did :)
[06:25] <gm78> grphx, what version of windows is installed on the other harddrive?
[06:25] <auk> xp
[06:25] <grphx> xp
[06:25] <tiglionabbit> grphx: ah.  Well, be sure to try gimp, inkscape, and the various 3d graphics programs available.  I'm sure there are some video programs too
[06:25] <nickrud> Harold_installin I recommend using aptitude instead of apt-get, both work
[06:25] <auk> yay, gimp!
[06:26] <nickrud> Harold_installin especially for a fresh install
[06:26] <adwait> gm78: beats me
[06:26] <auk> nickrud: why??
[06:26] <Harold_installin> nickrud: Oh, so I can apt-get install x-window-system-core?  Just like that?
[06:26] <bddebian> Yup
[06:26] <chombee> Does anyone know if there's an f-spot channel? I'm backing up my data, and wondering if all my labels in f-spot are stored somewhere in my homedir? where does f-spot store its config?
[06:26] <nickrud> auk because aptitude tracks what's installed, and it's dependencies, and will, if you use it consistently, remove unused packages
[06:26] <nickrud> Harold_installin yes
[06:26] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: get xserver-xorg...
[06:27] <grphx> I guess I could just format my NTSF to a Fat32 or whatever Linux has to use
[06:27] <Harold_installin> nickrud:  Dang, wish I had know that before I began my apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop.
[06:27] <tiglionabbit> grphx: sure could, that way both could see it
[06:27] <grphx> Yeh
[06:27] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: I believe it's installing.
[06:27] <hgh> sorry this is more of general linux question, but does anybody know how to grep through a directory excluding a specific subset of files?
[06:27] <nickrud> Harold_installin ;(
[06:27] <Harold_installin> nickrud: What can I remove?
[06:27] <grphx> Ah but I have so much installed on that HD *sniff*
[06:28] <tiglionabbit> hgh: excluding?  Why not make your filename wildcard exclude those itself?
[06:28] <auk> nickrud: and apt-get does not?
[06:28] <Harold_installin> nickrud: I mean, what can I safely remove to get xcfe3 installed?  I understand I also need fluxbox.
[06:28] <nickrud> Harold_installin if you're well into the install, and have the disk space, keep it all.
[06:28] <trinidad> HELP! Can someone point me to the easiest way to install the latest nvidia drivers for hoary?
[06:28] <Harold_installin> nickrud: That's just it; i *don't* have much disk space left.  (Only 2GB total).
[06:28] <hgh> tiglionabbit: whats the rgex syntax to exlude?  grep "search spec" "!excluespec" ?
[06:28] <grphx> I'll be back maybe..
[06:28] <chombee> trinidad - if you have added all repositories, i think you can search for nvidia in synaptic
[06:28] <nickrud> Harold_installin hm
[06:29] <tiglionabbit> hgh: * can be replaced with 0 or more characters, and ? can be replaced with exactly one character.  You can use these together, like lib*.??? would match libgl32.abc or something similar
[06:29] <trinidad> thank you chombee, i will try right now
[06:29] <Harold_installin> nickrud: I"m hoping I don't run out before the current install ends.
[06:29] <stisev> Hi all
[06:29] <hgh> tig: but what if the files are more general than that?
[06:29] <trinidad> chombee, the latest version is 7174
[06:29] <chombee> Does anyone know how to set bookmarks, for the Places menu, in GNOME, and if you can set emblems/icons for them?
[06:29] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: use df -h to see how much space you have, and apt should report the space it will use when you install something
[06:29] <hgh> tig: specifically, say I want to exclude everything that starts with 'ChangeLog'
[06:30] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: Thanks, I just found that out earlier.
[06:30] <trinidad> through synaptic, however, nvidia has 7667 on website
[06:30] <tiglionabbit> hgh: hmm...  oh I know there's a way to do that but i've forgotten it
[06:30] <jewel_> hgh: Do this: grep include | grep -v exclude
[06:30] <tiglionabbit> sorry
[06:30] <nickrud> Harold_installin, well, just finish the install, and see what's left.
[06:30] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: I should be okay with this current install.
[06:30] <stevenj> To run a "gui" Vim in gnome do I need Vim and gnome-vim?
[06:30] <auk> chombee: AFAIK, not possible in gnome 2.10
[06:30] <trinidad> HELP! Can someone point me to the easiest way to install the latest 7667 nvidia drivers for hoary?
[06:30] <stevenj> I installed VIM but I can only run through terminal
[06:30] <Harold_installin> nickrud: Will do.  Speaking of which, I'm going to go finish it.
[06:31] <auk> trinidad: no reason to repeat
[06:31] <chombee> trinidad - did you find 7174 in Synaptic? If the Ubuntu package is out of date, you might have to download the drivers from Nvidia and compile them. I think Nvidia have an installer
[06:31] <trinidad> they do
[06:31] <tiglionabbit> !nvidia
[06:31] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:31] <trinidad> i will init3 then install
[06:31] <trinidad> brb
[06:31] <tiglionabbit> is this howto correct, guys?
[06:31] <jayparadise> how can i open another instance of gdm ? i'm on fvwm and can't get kde or gnome to launch
[06:31] <Harold_installin> nickrud: I have 332MB left.
[06:31] <auk> chombee: support is suppossed to be coming in future versions
[06:31] <men1> Madpilot: i use a SB Live card to override the sound, silence is better
[06:31] <tiglionabbit> jayparadise: gdmflexiserver
[06:31] <Harold_installin> nickrud: I understand Gnome is going to be dogslow on my 233MHz system.
[06:32] <chombee> auk - support for adding bookmarks? okay. Well for now you can edit .bookmarks i believe, but I just wanted to customise the icons
[06:32] <Lancellor> hello everybody i have a little problem this is the second time this happen don,t know what is going on
[06:32] <auk> chombee: you mean in the places menu?
[06:32] <nickrud> Harold_installin probably, there are some tricks to speed up gnome, but they might not be enough
[06:32] <ramblingturtle23> are us servers having problems or something?
[06:33] <jasmuz> Saludos
[06:33] <chombee> auk - yeah. Another way to add them is to add them as bookmarks in the GNOME file chooser
[06:33] <auk> really?
[06:33] <auk> coole
[06:33] <chombee> auk, yeah
[06:33] <auk> didn't know that
[06:33] <Harold_installin> nickrud: I'll try it, but I have a feeling I'm going to want xcfe3/fluxbox.
[06:33] <auk> so just in the nautilus bookmarks neu?
[06:33] <nickrud> Harold_installin I've been running gnome on a 466 successfully, but I use every trick I know.
[06:33] <tiglionabbit> yeah, when you're opening or saving, it's easy to tell it to pin/add something to its list
[06:33] <chombee> auk, there is a hidden config file in your homedir, it's a very simple file, I dunno what the syntax for customising the icons is though if there is one
[06:33] <Harold_installin> nickrud: I've read reports that it runs slow on my particular system.
[06:34] <auk> hmm i will check it out
[06:34] <Harold_installin> nickrud: That is, I think I have.
[06:34] <men1> Harold_installin: it's a miracle if anyone can do tricks for KDE to run on 166mhz
[06:34] <nickrud> Harold_installin first hand experience is what matters.
[06:34] <Harold_installin> men1: That's a miracle, alright.
[06:34] <Harold_installin> nickrud: Yes, true.
[06:34] <hgh> jewel: good call, thanks... i was trying to find a piece of text in some source, say ABC excluding ChangeLog* files, and found this to work: grep ABC * | grep -v ChangeLog
[06:34] <hgh> thanks
[06:34] <vinux> Any speach recognition pkgs for ubuntu or in source that I can use?
[06:34] <chombee> Am I right in expecting that if I backup my homedir and restore it in a fresh install of Linux all my app configs should be renewed? eg.: downloaded emails in evolution, tagged images in f-spot ?
[06:35] <auk> chombee: not necissarily /all/
[06:35] <Harold_installin> Okay, I suppose it's time for a reboot to see if I've got a GUI on this Mac!
[06:35] <auk> good luck
[06:35] <nickrud> chombee I've done exactly that many times, but I'd move each dot file individually and test
[06:35] <wolverian> chombee: the system daemon configs will be lost, user specific configs will be retained
[06:35] <Lancellor> when i turn on my computer everything is ok until when ubuntu is about to start this is in my screen "pivot_root: no such file or directory  /sbin/init: 428 cannot open dev/ console: no such file kernel panic-no synicing: attented to kill init!
[06:35] <nickrud> although, evolution has never failed me
[06:35] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: you shouldn't have to reboot.  Just say startx
[06:36] <wolverian> nickrud: if you do that a lot it might be easier just to use a separate partition for /home
[06:36] <bddebian> Harold_installin: You never told me it was a Smash-n-toss :-)
[06:36] <chombee> auk - evolution seems to have the necessary config files, but I don't find any for f-spot. Seems crazy that f-spot would store all that tagging work elsewhere
[06:36] <Harold_installin> bddebian: Sure I did.  Didn't I?
[06:36] <bddebian> Harold_installin: I think you impied it :-)
[06:36] <auk> lancellor: uh-oh
[06:36] <nickrud> wolverian been doing that for a long time
[06:36] <Lancellor> this happen twice so i have to hard drives with ubuntu
[06:36] <Harold_installin> bddebian: It's a PowerBook.
[06:36] <bddebian> Harold_installin: Wallstreet?
[06:36] <chombee> wolverian - do you know if the f-spot tags will be retained?
[06:36] <auk> lancellor: new install?
[06:37] <Harold_installin> bddebian: Exactly.
[06:37] <bddebian> Ahh
[06:37] <newbie> any one know how can i connect directly from a home pc to another home pc for file transfer preferrebly through ssh
[06:37] <Harold_installin> bddebian: Why, do I have some more pain to look forward to?
[06:37] <Ninwa> Hello, I was wondering if anyone could help me getting Java working with Firefox. I've installed Java with synaptic and I can run Java applications otherwise, but Firefox still says its not installed.
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> chombee, retained in the files? ...
[06:37] <Harold_installin> bddebian: Was that an "Ah" or an "Ahhhhh!"
[06:37] <Harold_installin> bddebian: Or rather, an "aaargh!"?
[06:37] <bddebian> Harold_installin: Dunno, I haven't tried Ubuntu on one.  I used to run Debian on a few.
[06:37] <chombee> nomasteryoda - erm... does f-spot insert metadata into the actual files when you tag them?
[06:38] <hilloki> does anyone know to optimize a build for pentium4s?
[06:38] <chombee> if so that'd be great
[06:38] <Harold_installin> bddebian: Okay, I'm off to starx.
[06:38] <Harold_installin> startx
[06:38] <bddebian> Harold_installin: Good luck :-)
[06:38] <nomasteryoda> chombee from what i can tell if you edit the comments, yes... but other tags are in a flatfile db ... from my testing of it
[06:38] <Harold_installin> bddebian: Before I begin, how will I get out of X/return to the terminal?
[06:38] <nomasteryoda> right in the folder with the pics
[06:38] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: so, does it flicker a few times and then fail?
[06:39] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: control-alt-backspace
[06:39] <chombee> nomasteryoda - and do you know where the flat-file db is kept?
[06:39] <bddebian> Harold_installin: That's always the fun part on Mac's isn't it :-)
[06:39] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: actually, that kills X.  To switch between it and the terminal, use control-alt and the F keys
[06:39] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: I'll let you know when I try it.  First, I want to transfer the kernel to my BootX partition.
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> chombee, just sec
[06:39] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: Thanks for the tips.
[06:40] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: k.  But right now, play around switching terminals with control-alt-F#
[06:40] <auk> heh
[06:40] <auk> e
[06:40] <auk> i love doing that
[06:40] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: ubuntu usually sets up the first 6 for text.  The 7th is where X will start, and other X session will go after those
[06:40] <auk> like virtual desktops, but better
[06:40] <bddebian> You have to use shift, ctl, or the apple key on the PowerBooks, I can never remember
[06:41] <tiglionabbit> oh yeah, forgot they have dif keyboards
[06:41] <auk> Ninwa: yes
[06:41] <tiglionabbit> crobably control-command-F#
[06:41] <tiglionabbit> *probably
[06:41] <tiglionabbit> or with option or something =P
[06:41] <bddebian> Aye, I tink
[06:41] <bddebian> err think
[06:42] <bimberi> Ninwa: Have a look at the bottom of this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:42] <auk> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[06:42] <Ninwa> Appreciate it guys :)
[06:42] <bimberi> Ninwa: np - hope it helps
[06:42] <grphx> So does ubuntu come with dvd burning software?
[06:42] <auk> np
[06:42] <levander> What's the best software to stress test a Linux box that you're worried if the cooling is good enough for?
[06:42] <auk> grphx: yep
[06:42] <levander> grphx: graveman, nautilus
[06:43] <levander> grphx: nautilus if all you're gonna do is data dvd's
[06:43] <tiglionabbit> lol
[06:43] <grphx> how do i run that?
[06:43] <tiglionabbit> no no, use uh..  kaffeine
[06:43] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: I've been using control-alt-F2 to drop into the terminal.
[06:44] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: Anyway, I'm going to get to testing X in a moment.
[06:44] <levander> grphx: from the Places menu on your desktop, or just type nautilus at the command prompt
[06:44] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: I'll let you know my progress.
[06:44] <jewel_> levander: I do a md5sum on a bunch of big files
[06:44] <nickrud> no, k3b is best for general burning, at least at the moment
[06:44] <jewel_> levander: That should get the hard drive heating up as well
[06:44] <levander> jewel_: suggestions for these big files?
[06:45] <jewel_> levander: /var/cache/apt/archive/*
[06:45] <grphx> I typed in nautilus and it opened up a window to my desktop
[06:45] <auk> yes...?
[06:45] <jewel_> levander: That might have 500MB worth of files in there if you're lucky
[06:45] <bimberi> grphx: OK - under the "Go" menu you have CD/DVD Creator.  Once you've pasted files in there you can "Write to disc"
[06:45] <grphx> Oh that's it?
[06:45] <nickrud> grphx nautilus is the name of the file manager for ubuntu
[06:46] <grphx> Ah
[06:46] <Madpilot> grphx: Nautilus is Ubuntu's default file viewer
[06:46] <grphx> Or you can simply put in a blank DVD and drag stuff to the icon
[06:46] <auk> uhh, for gnome
[06:46] <Razor-X> back
[06:46] <levander> jewel_: thanks, that's what i'll do tomorrow, going to passive cooling on a dual pentium iii 550 box, hoping it works...
[06:46] <auk> hey
[06:46] <Madpilot> nickrud: beat me to it... :)
[06:46] <jewel_> levander: There might be a better way, see if you find anything on google
[06:46] <nickrud> fingerflick, answered that before :)
[06:46] <bimberi> grphx: sounds like you know more about it than me :)
[06:46] <jasmuz> Can anybody tell me why my sound works with the 2.6.8 kernel and not with the 2.6.10?
[06:47] <Harold_installin> I'm currently transferring my kernel to my BootX partition.  How often is the kernel altered?
[06:47] <levander> jewel_: some reason, there's only 19M in /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:47] <grphx> bimberi: Don't even think about saying that.
[06:47] <jewel_> levander: You've not done much upgrading, apparently... :)
[06:47] <auk> lol
[06:47] <grphx> I've only ran linux for about 2 hours
[06:47] <Razor-X> Harold_installin: often enough ;)
[06:47] <bimberi> :)
[06:47] <trinidad> OK, I've just updated via Ubuntu update manager and have lost sound!
[06:47] <Harold_installin> General question for anyone: I'm currently transferring my kernel to my BootX partition.  How often is the kernel altered?
[06:47] <nickrud> I do love the way nautilus handles data disks.
[06:47] <auk> grphx: how ols are you?
[06:47] <stisev> Hi all
[06:47] <_crimsun> trinidad: cat /proc/asound/modules
[06:48] <grphx> That's including the time it took to find a good download, download it, and install it
[06:48] <grphx> 21
[06:48] <stisev> anyone know anything about vmware here?
[06:48] <Razor-X> there's no set interval of time at which a kernel changes
[06:48] <levander> jewel_: well, i'm on hoary, it's has been a few weeks since I've updated though.  Next time I update, there's going to be a lot?
[06:48] <Harold_installin> Razor-X: Is it altered while you upgrade packages/
[06:48] <auk> ah
[06:48] <Razor-X> Harold_installin: yeahp
[06:48] <Razor-X> you can obviously do it manually, but, yeah
[06:48] <trinidad> 0 snd_emu10k1
[06:48] <jewel_> levander: I think there might be an openoffice.org update
[06:48] <Harold_installin> Razor-X: You're kidding.
[06:48] <jewel_> levander: That's 100MB or so
[06:48] <levander> jewel_: you're on hoary and have about 500M in there?
[06:48] <_crimsun> trinidad: please paste the output from ,,amixer'' (without the quotes or commas) onto the pastebin in the topic
[06:48] <jewel_> levander: No, I'm on breezy
[06:49] <Harold_installin> Razor-X: So I have to manually move it to my BootX parition after every install of a package?
[06:49] <jewel_> levander: 500MB is the default limit for that cachec
[06:49] <jasmuz> Can anybody tell me why my sound works with the 2.6.8 kernel and not with the 2.6.10? it think it has to do with the loading of the OSS modules
[06:49] <jewel_> jasmuz: You can check and see what modules are loaded with lsmod
[06:49] <Harold_installin> jasmuz: Wish i could help you there.
[06:49] <tiglionabbit> jasmuz: if you want, you can screw around with it like in this forum post, but it's not guaranteed to help you
[06:49] <jasmuz> jewel_: where should i post em?
[06:49] <tiglionabbit> !sound
[06:49] <ubotu> it has been said that sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[06:50] <jewel_> jasmuz: if you have the old kernel still you can boot into both and get the results of that and compare them
[06:50] <trinidad> ok
[06:50] <jewel_> levander: running updatedb should take your hard drive
[06:50] <jasmuz> jewel_: i know...
[06:50] <jewel_> levander: Then you'll have to find something else to run at the same time to keep your processors busy.
[06:51] <Harold_installin> Anyone: When you run an apt-get upgrade, does that affect your kernel?
[06:51] <tiglionabbit> Wow you guys, I just noticed a very interesting bug
[06:51] <jasmuz> jewel_: thing is im not smart enough to find out wat
[06:51] <steven_> hey im trying to download xfce and i cant find most of the packages on synaptic
[06:51] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: What is that?
[06:51] <mihai_> help. I get an mp5 error on libcairo when I try to update firefox with synaptic
[06:51] <levander> jewel_: yeah, good point
[06:51] <grphx> When I'm adding files to the blank DVD, how do I tell how much more I have left to go?
[06:51] <mai> Harold_installin, only if you upgrade the kernel
[06:51] <_crimsun> steven_: enable the universe repo, then install the xfce4 package
[06:51] <steven_> whats hte universe repo?
[06:51] <jewel_> levander: compiling the kernel with the -j3 option should keep both processors busy
[06:51] <trinidad> _crimsun:  it's there
[06:52] <Harold_installin> mai: So you're not upgrading the kernel when you do an apt-get upgrade?
[06:52] <_crimsun> steven_: wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackages
[06:52] <Harold_installin> tiglion: What's the bug?
[06:52] <steven_> wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackages thats the site
[06:52] <steven_> ok
[06:52] <mai> Harold_installin, not necessarily
[06:52] <auk> dinner
[06:52] <bimberi> mihai_: there are problems with the us repositories.  Change us.archive to just archive in your sources.list
[06:52] <Harold_installin> mai: I had a feeling you'd say that.  How do you know?
[06:52] <mai> Harold_installin, if you don't want to upgrade the kernel (but apt wants you to) just hold it
[06:52] <mai> Harold_installin, it will tell you what applications it will upgrade
[06:52] <mai> Harold_installin, better yet, use 'aptitude' and it will give you a nice graphical menu
[06:52] <Harold_installin> mai: So how do you hold the kernel?
[06:53] <jewel_> Harold_installin: Just right click on it in synaptic
[06:53] <levander> Harold_installin: good question
[06:53] <jewel_> harold_installin: I think... :)
[06:53] <mai> Harold_installin, in aptitude you would hit '=' on it
[06:53] <levander> Any way to do that with apt-get?
[06:53] <jasmuz> jewel_: may i query you my results?
[06:53] <shad0w1e> help! what do I do with the output of lspci!
[06:53] <_crimsun> trinidad: you need to unmute the External Amplifier
[06:53] <Harold_installin> jewel: Do you know how to do this via the terminal?
[06:53] <shad0w1e> its just giving me a buncha numbers!
[06:53] <trinidad> ok ill try again
[06:53] <trinidad> brb
[06:53] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: well this has happened several times so far.  Run kaffeine from terminal, open a file and play it.  Then press control-C at terminal...  it closes, but kaffeine is still displayed and playing stuff!  Several seconds later, kaffeine takes over all my system resources and my fan goes wild trying to cool it down
[06:53] <nickrud> Harold_installin right click in synaptic, equals sign in aptitude
[06:54] <nickrud> Harold_installin synaptic is an excellent tool
[06:54] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: I've seen behavior similar to that on Xandros.
[06:54] <trinidad> _crimsun:  didn't work
[06:54] <jewel_> Harold_installin: Through aptitude as mai said
[06:55] <Harold_installin> nickrud: Thank you.  How about an apt-get equivalent?
[06:55] <Harold_installin> jewel: I guess I just favor apt-get.
[06:55] <steven_> wait
[06:55] <_crimsun> trinidad: did you increase the volumes of your Master and PCM?
[06:55] <steven_> crimsun
[06:55] <Harold_installin> jewel: I'll have to figure out aptitude.
[06:55] <steven_> the first step in the wiki it says Select computer menu from top of the screen
[06:55] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: what's up with this program?  I don't like it.
[06:55] <steven_> whats that
[06:55] <nickrud> Harold_installin figuring out aptitude is a superior idea :)
[06:55] <stisev> anyone know anything about vmware here?
[06:55] <trinidad> yes
[06:56] <stisev> trinidad: hey
[06:56] <stisev> trinidad: can you help me out? :(
[06:56] <_crimsun> steven_: you need to choose System instead. That guide was written for Warty.
[06:56] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: I didn't mean I'd seen behavior in that program like that, but similar behavior with another app or two on Xandros.
[06:56] <trinidad> _crimsun: yes, I also have played with unmuting the analog/digital jack.
[06:56] <stisev> trinidad: I successfully setup VMware on my box
[06:56] <stisev> trinidad: installed  vmware tools
[06:56] <jewel_> Harold_installin: I think you edit some configuration file w/ apt-get
[06:56] <_crimsun> trinidad: the analog/digital output jack needs to be ON (unmuted) if you're using analog speakers
[06:56] <stisev> trinidad: (on my laptop) but i'm having trouble using any other resolution other than the virtual 650x480
[06:56] <stisev> er 650
[06:56] <Harold_installin> nickrud: aptitude is probably great, I just keep stumbling when using it.
[06:56] <stisev> omg 640
[06:56] <trinidad> stisev:  I am responding to someone  else with the "yes"
[06:56] <stisev> trinidad: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/96509133/m/415005814731
[06:57] <stisev> omg
[06:57] <stisev> lol
[06:57] <Harold_installin> jewel: Perhaps I'll use aptitude, then.
[06:57] <trebuchet> what'd be the name of the kernel source for hoary via apt-get?
[06:57] <trinidad> _crimsun:  I'll tryagain
[06:57] <trinidad> brb
[06:57] <_crimsun> trebuchet: linux-source-2.6.10
[06:57] <trebuchet> thank you
[06:57] <nickrud> Harold_installin there are just a few keystrokes you need to use aptitude effectively.
[06:57] <_crimsun> yw
[06:58] <Harold_installin> crimsun: Really? I just ran an apt-get dist-upgrade and I've still got vmlinux-2.6.8.1-3-powerpc installed in my /boot.
[06:58] <nickrud> first, / (backstroke) it searches for files
[06:58] <holycow> the i810 driver has ogl acceleration?
[06:58] <holycow> this is weird
[06:58] <holycow> i can play gltron just fine
[06:58] <_crimsun> Harold_installin: was that meant at me?
[06:58] <Harold_installin> nickrud: Basically, it's just "+" and "-", isn't it?
[06:58] <Harold_installin> crimsun: Yes.
[06:58] <holycow> either its all done on the cpu or the i810 driver has got an update
[06:59] <_crimsun> Harold_installin: not sure what you're referring to
[06:59] <trinidad> _crimsun:  this is going to seem odd, but if surround slider is down, I get nothing.  I got sound when I turned the surround volume up
[06:59] <Harold_installin> crimsun: I'm sorry - the linux kernel version.
[06:59] <nickrud> Harold_installin yes, those, and = for holding
[06:59] <_crimsun> trinidad: good
[06:59] <trinidad> :)
[06:59] <grphx> So what's another good CD/DVD burner?
[06:59] <trinidad> whatever works for now ay!
[06:59] <trinidad> thanks again
[06:59] <_crimsun> Harold_installin: right, but I'm not sure why you addressed that to me
[06:59] <_crimsun> trinidad: yw
[06:59] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: that's the warty kernel - did you change your sources to point at hoary /
[07:00] <levander> if I compile a package using apt-get/dpkg (whatever you're supposed to use) to stress the cpu on my box, is it going to replace the package I've currently got installed?
[07:00] <nickrud> Harold_installin and, shift - (underscore) for purging configurations
[07:00] <Madpilot> grphx: has anyone mentioned gnomebaker yet?
[07:00] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: Yes, I certainly did.
[07:00] <thoreauputic> hmm
[07:00] <levander> Madpilot: I was trying to think of that one, read something where Ubuntu wants to standardize on gnomebaker in Breezy
[07:00] <Harold_installin> nickrud: Thank you.
[07:00] <Harold_installin> nickrud: I will learn it, in due time.  (Like soon, I'm sure.)
[07:01] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: have you rebooted since the dist-upgrade? what does `uname -r ` return?
[07:01] <nickrud> Harold_installin I've been using if for years, I still get suprised at what it does
[07:01] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: One momemt...
[07:01] <supernix> Ok just curious what can use use in Kubuntu to work with your digital camera ?
[07:01] <grphx> So I go to their website and download it?
[07:01] <jasmuz> supernix: Kcam
[07:01] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: 2.6.8.1-3-powerpc
[07:02] <Madpilot> levander: someone mentioned that to me, too. Rythymbox is also supposed to be getting audio burning capability!
[07:02] <supernix> ty jasmuz
[07:02] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: And yes, I've rebooted.
[07:02] <trebuchet> i just installed the kernel source you said but in building this app it stills halts because it can't find a build dir inside the source tree
[07:02] <zlost1> does ubnutu support oldworld mac ?
[07:02] <_crimsun> Harold_installin: still using Warty?
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> zlost1: ask Harold_installin
[07:02] <jasmuz> supernix: is your camera supported?
[07:02] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: very odd if you have hoary - what does ` cat /etc/issue ` say?
[07:02] <trebuchet> /bin/sh: line 0: cd: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build: No such file or directory
[07:02] <trebuchet> make: *** [here]  Error 1
[07:02] <Harold_installin> crimsun: No, it says Hoary when I reboot.
[07:02] <_crimsun> trebuchet: more than likely what you want instead of linux-source-2.6.10 is linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:02] <supernix> not sure I don't see Kcam yet
[07:02] <Madpilot> grphx: gnomebaker is in Ubuntu repos. no need to visit a website...
[07:02] <grphx> http://gnomebaker.sourceforge.net/index.php?cat=4
[07:02] <supernix> I am running the LiveDVD of Kubuntu now
[07:02] <grphx> Er
[07:03] <grphx> repos?
[07:03] <_crimsun> Harold_installin: are you trying to use the latest hoary kernel?
[07:03] <zlost1> Harold_installin does ubnutu support oldworld mac ?
[07:03] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary Hedgehog \n \l
[07:03] <Madpilot> grphx: repositories. Open Synaptic, search for "gnomebaker"
[07:03] <nootrope> Anyone: my friend has a Dell with WinXP. He wants to install Ubuntu (HH). His single physical HD is formatted NTFS and currently partitioned into two: C: has 19.7/29.2GB free, and D: has 35.5/45.2 GB free. Ubuntu installation wants me to choose a partition...
[07:03] <Harold_installin> crimsun; yes.
[07:03] <grphx> How do I open up Synaptic?
[07:03] <nickrud> uhh, repos
[07:03] <Harold_installin> zlost1: I'm trying to figure that out.  Stick around.
[07:03] <nootrope> that's D, not D:
[07:04] <_crimsun> Harold_installin: what's the output from ,,apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.10-5-powerpc''?
[07:04] <levander> Anybody has seen an ubuntu package for an application called stress?
[07:04] <zlost1> what are you using for a boot floppy ?
[07:04] <tiglionabbit> grphx: system -> admin -> synaptic
[07:04] <cmatheson_> grphx, type 'sudo synaptic' in the terminal (or go to admin->synaptic)
[07:04] <grphx> Nevermind
[07:04] <Madpilot> grphx: System menu --> Admin --> Syn
[07:04] <nootrope> ...and it doesn't give NTFS as a choice. Does this matter? if I choose the current D partition for Ubuntu, will the ~100GB of data be wiped from it?
[07:05] <grphx> It didn't find gnomebaker
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> nootrope: you cannot use linux on NTFS, but you can resize an ntfs partition to fit an ext3 partition for linux
[07:05] <Stan__> when trying to boot from Floppy (because PC wont boot from CD), I get "non-system disk or disk error <br> Replace and press any key when ready
[07:05] <nootrope> oops ~10GB, not ~100GB
[07:05] <trebuchet> no way.. ubuntu doesn't come with gcc?
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> trebuchet: get build-essential
[07:05] <jasmuz> trebuchet: remember Ubuntu is made for the Desktop users in mind, that dont necesarily compile anything
[07:05] <cmatheson_> trebuchet, aptitude install build-essential
[07:06] <steven_> can i download xfce straight from synaptic
[07:06] <steven_> ?
[07:06] <alberto_> anyone used an ipod with ubuntu ?
[07:06] <nickrud> grphx you need to enable the extra stuff that ubuntu provides, read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components for a description, and use https://wiki.ubuntu.com//AddingRepositoriesHowto to enable them
[07:06] <tiglionabbit> cmatheson_: if he just installed, he probably doesn't have aptitude.  Say apt-get
[07:06] <_crimsun> steven_: yes. Enable the universe repository, then install the xfce4 package.
[07:06] <cmatheson_> tiglionabbit: ubuntu comes w/ aptitude
[07:06] <thoreauputic> steven_: yes, enable universe and install xfce4
[07:06] <steven_> i enabled universe
[07:06] <tiglionabbit> really?
[07:06] <tiglionabbit> oh
[07:06] <steven_> xfce4 pacakage
[07:06] <steven_> ok
[07:06] <Harold_installin> crimsun: I'm not certain how to interpret this.  Under Installed it says none, though...
[07:06] <nootrope> tiglionabbit, thanks. so ext3 is a good choice, after i resize, say, the D partition down. how big should i make the ext3 partition for a beginner's explorations?
[07:07] <_crimsun> Harold_installin: you can paste the output onto the pastebin in the topic
[07:07] <steven_> which package do i install
[07:07] <steven_> is there a specific one
[07:07] <_crimsun> steven_: xfce4
[07:07] <steven_> or should i dl all of them
[07:07] <steven_> ok
[07:07] <Harold_installin> crimsun: I've never done that.
[07:07] <mcdenyer> hey i just installed ubuntu....now what do i do
[07:07] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:07] <Madpilot> !repos
[07:07] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Madpilot
[07:07] <cmatheson_> nootrope: if you're not planning on sticking a bunch of mp3's and crap on there you could just get by w/ like 5G no problem
[07:07] <nootrope> tiglionabbit, i have about 30 GB to play with
[07:07] <Harold_installin> crimsun: Can I do that from the terminal?
[07:07] <tiglionabbit> nootrope: My ubuntu partition is 10 gigs.  The software for ubuntu I have installed only takes up 3.2 so far, so if you have a separate home directory, you don't need to have much space for your root dir
[07:07] <_crimsun> Harold_installin: just paste the output from that apt-cache command onto that web site
[07:07] <Madpilot> !repositories
[07:07] <_crimsun> Harold_installin: copy and paste
[07:07] <ubotu> repositories is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:08] <nootrope> thanks a lot!
[07:08] <mcdenyer> hey what kind of partitions was i supposed to use when i installed ubuntu
[07:08] <Harold_installin> crimsun: Unfortunately, I don't have X running on that Ubuntu system yet.
[07:08] <tiglionabbit> nootrope: people recommend you make a /home partition and a / partition
[07:08] <mcdenyer> i think i used like ext 3
[07:08] <Madpilot> ok, that does work. can someone train ubotu to respond to "repos" as well as the full name?
[07:08] <Harold_installin> crimsun: Lemme check something...
[07:08] <tiglionabbit> nootrope: and a swap partition too
[07:08] <_crimsun> Harold_installin: do you have ssh and do it via that?
[07:08] <nootrope> tiglionabbit, both of them ext3?
[07:09] <tiglionabbit> nootrope: yes.  And swap is its own format
[07:09] <nootrope> tiglionabbit, so three of them
[07:09] <nootrope> ah!
[07:09] <nootrope> okay
[07:09] <tiglionabbit> nootrope: however, you could make your home directory fat32 instead, if you want it to be readable by windows as well, if you're dual booting
[07:09] <jasmuz> alberto_: use gtkpod
[07:10] <thoreauputic> ubotu, repos is  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:10] <ubotu> okay, thoreauputic
[07:10] <Harold_installin> crimsun: I'm just now running startx for the first time.  Seeing "Ubuntu: for the people" or something like that...
[07:10] <tiglionabbit> Linux for Human Beings, Harold_installin
[07:10] <grphx> Hm there isn't a way to convert a partition from NTSF to Fat32 is there?
[07:10] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: done
[07:10] <grphx> Without formatting
[07:10] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: Exactly.  Like that slogan, by the way...
[07:10] <alberto_> im trying
[07:10] <jasmuz> Harold_installin: Cool!
[07:10] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: thanks. couldn't remember the ubotu-training syntax - and like to leave it to those better-qualified, anyway... :)
[07:11] <alberto_> jasmuz, im trying but it doesnt sync...
[07:11] <Harold_installin> crimsun: It's a grey screen now; it's probably loading X or something still...
[07:11] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: you just say " ubotu, <keyword> is < whatever>
[07:11] <jasmuz> alberto_: has your Ubuntu recognized that a deviced is attached?
[07:11] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: thnx.
[07:11] <Harold_installin> crimsun/everyone: I'm seeing an icon!  (Botton left corner)  Still grey everywhere else.  Also got a pointer that moves...
[07:12] <nickrud> ubotu, components is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[07:12] <ubotu> ...but components is already something else...
[07:12] <nickrud> !components
[07:12] <ubotu> components is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[07:12] <Harold_installin> crimsun/everyone: Brown screen now...
[07:12] <othernoob> almost like sex isn't it Harold :p
[07:12] <alberto_> yes and mounts it
[07:12] <Harold_installin> crimsun/everyone/othernoob: Yes, it's like sex...
[07:12] <Harold_installin> crimsun/everyone: ...like sex on a rainy day...
[07:12] <steven_> I LOVE UBUNTUU!!!
[07:13] <grphx> What is that other link refering to components?
[07:13] <Madpilot> grphx: they're both the same content
[07:13] <Madpilot> grphx: just oddness in the wiki
[07:13] <jasmuz> alberto_: then how the heck arent you sync'n?
[07:13] <nickrud> grphx it explains what you're getting from !repositories link
[07:13] <Harold_installin> crimsun/everyone Omigosh I'm seeing a burst - some starlike thing...an Applications menu...there's more...where's that other Old World user?
[07:13] <mcdenyer> steven
[07:14] <alberto_> jasmuz, it gets the files from the pod
[07:14] <alberto_> but i cant put any on the pod
[07:14] <grphx> Okay so these are I guess a list of programs that people feel that should be available to other Ubuntu users?
[07:14] <mpm> does anyone know if it would be expected to experience an increase in static and noise when converting from .wma to .wav format via mplayer??
[07:14] <nickrud> grphx yes, about 15,000 of them :)
[07:14] <Harold_installin> Everyone: Would I really be wise to try Firefox on this 233MHz Mac PowerBook?
[07:14] <nickrud> or so
[07:14] <Harold_installin> Everyone: Here we go...
[07:15] <jasmuz> alberto_: that is because you are probably mounting it as read-only
[07:15] <grphx> But apparently I don't have a list all of them
[07:15] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: it will run, but take a while to start
[07:15] <grphx> Like I'm suppose to get gnomebaker, but it doesn't show up on the list
[07:15] <mcdenyer> how much does cedega cost?
[07:15] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: It's running...
[07:15] <alberto_> yup
[07:15] <alberto_> well it was not me
[07:15] <alberto_> it was ubuntu
[07:15] <jewel_> mpm: It should sound the same as listening to the wma file through your headphones
[07:15] <Madpilot> grphx: this might have been posted earlier: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:16] <mcdenyer> how much does cedega cost?
[07:16] <jiyuu0> grphx, have u check http://ubuntuguide.org
[07:16] <jewel_> mpm: Unless you're resampling to a lower sampling rate
[07:16] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: Firefox isn't running yet, I guess it's starting...
[07:16] <grphx> Madpilot: That link didn't work eailer, but I tried it again and it worked, sorry to have "ignored" it
[07:16] <alberto_> now it syncs
[07:16] <nickrud> grphx gnomebaker is in universe. the components link explains what the universe section is, and the repos link explains how to enable universe
[07:16] <alberto_> but the ipod doesnt play anysongs
[07:17] <vladuz976> hey does "apt-get install base3" make my computer calculate in base 3 instead of base 2?
[07:17] <mpm> jewel what about after burning the wav files to CD?  I hear a degradation after the conversion to wav and a worse one after conversion to CD-audio...
[07:17] <Harold_installin> The only problem I'm seeing, is the screen is still divided into 4 parts.  Must be a display issue.  I learned to ignore it when running the terminal.
[07:17] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: It runs on my pentium 200mmx, 64MB RAM - but it takes a long while to start
[07:17] <jewel_> mpm: There shouldn't be a degredation from wav to CD-audio if your wav file is at 44100 hz
[07:18] <jewel_> mpm: A more common source of degredation would be from converting to a low bitrate mp3 or ogg
[07:18] <trebuchet> FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build/System.map': No such file
[07:18] <mpm> jewel that's what I thought!
[07:18] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: a quick graphical browser is "dillo" - but it doesn't do javascript, frames etc
[07:18] <niket> just after installing mysql-server package , how to set password of mysql root
[07:18] <mcdenyer> is xchat a private irc network or does it link u to all servers?
[07:19] <jasmuz> jewel_: but from cd to Flac there isnt degradation
[07:19] <jewel_> Harold_installin: You're running gnome on that thing?
[07:19] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: Firefox is just now *barely* getting started...
[07:19] <steven_> Ugh
[07:19] <steven_> IM HAVING A CRISIS
[07:19] <steven_> I need helpp
[07:19] <jiyuu0> nickrud, mysqladmin -u root password db_user_password
[07:19] <steven_> if someone cna help me with this one problem i will be sooo thankful
[07:19] <grphx> Okay I went to that site, followed it's directions and I still can't get gnomebaker
[07:19] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: I've never heard of dillo; think I'll try it.
[07:19] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: xchat is a client - it will use any network/server you point it at
[07:19] <jiyuu0> oops niket mysqladmin -u root password db_user_password
[07:19] <jasmuz> Harold_installin: get xfce4
[07:19] <niket> thanks jiyuu0
[07:19] <steven_> i cant get sound on my xfce or kubuntu
[07:19] <Razor-X> steven_: shoot
[07:19] <steven_> what should i do!!
[07:19] <jasmuz> steven_: what is the issue?
[07:19] <Harold_installin> jewel: I guess so.  Yes, i want that xfce4 thing.  how do I get it installed?
[07:19] <nickrud> jiyuu0 that can't have been ment for me :)
[07:19] <Stan__> does anyone here use wirless internet on unbuntu succesfully?
[07:20] <mcdenyer> oh ok
[07:20] <mai> steven_: yuou probably just need to run esd
[07:20] <steven_> i cant get sound on xfce or kubuntu but gnome i get perfect soudn
[07:20] <jewel_> Stan__: Yes
[07:20] <Razor-X> Stan__: many, me not included
[07:20] <steven_> how do i do this
[07:20] <steven_> im an oob
[07:20] <Razor-X> mai: ugggghhh
[07:20] <steven_> *noob
[07:20] <Razor-X> let me say something
[07:20] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: dillo is quite nice, but somewhat limited - good for searching on google, locl files, simple web pages etc
[07:20] <jiyuu0> nickrud, auto tab nick prob... sorry
[07:20] <Razor-X> ESD IS NOT USED IN KUBUNTU
[07:20] <jasmuz> steven_: im going to query you
[07:20] <Stan__> jewel, what hardware is recommended?
[07:20] <jewel_> steven_: What does ps aux | grep esd say?
[07:20] <Razor-X> thank you very much ;)
[07:20] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: it *is* fast though
[07:20] <nickrud> jiyuu0 if I'd been patient .... but I'm not ;)
[07:20] <jewel_> Stan__: You need a supported wireless card
[07:20] <Razor-X> jewel_: did you see my all caps message?
[07:21] <mai> Razor-X: chill out
[07:21] <jewel_> Stan__: Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of them around
[07:21] <Razor-X> steven_: put ps -e in pastebin for me
[07:21] <mcdenyer> r there any good free win32 emulators???
[07:21] <mai> mcdenyer: wine
[07:21] <MrJung_> if i do this "which  ping || echo no && which  pong || echo no" i see the path  but, i wan't see the path, how can i do ?
[07:21] <IceDC571> mcdenyer: qemu
[07:21] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: qemu
[07:21] <IceDC571> wine is not an emulator
[07:21] <Stan__> jewel, i will check unbuntu.com, does that list the supported ones?
[07:21] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: depends on your goal, accuarate emulation, OS to emulate, quick, exactly ;)
[07:21] <mcdenyer> i heard they dont work very well
[07:21] <mai> IceDC571: does he really need an emulator, or just something that will run win32 apps?
[07:21] <mcdenyer> i want to play cs 1.6
[07:21] <jewel_> Stan__: I've had a lot of success with the Intel 2200
[07:21] <mcdenyer> on steam
[07:22] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: you want Cedega
[07:22] <jewel_> Stan__: If you're looking for a 802.11 G card
[07:22] <IceDC571> lol.. talk about emulating games
[07:22] <jewel_> Stan__: There are a lot more 802.11b cards support
[07:22] <mcdenyer> yeah but cedega costs...
[07:22] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: complie from CVS
[07:22] <jewel_> Stan__: The atheros cards are supported, but you need special binary drivers
[07:22] <mai> mcdenyer: winex (i've never used it)?
[07:22] <Stan__> jewel, is this expensive?  This is just a test PC for linux, not looking to spend a lot
[07:22] <Razor-X> mai: winex == old cedega
[07:22] <IceDC571> The atheros cards work out of the box for me
[07:22] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: Oh yeah, I've gotta try it.  There's *no way* I'm going to be using Gnome on this old Mac.
[07:22] <jewel_> Stan__: Then get a $20 802.11B card
[07:22] <mai> Razor-X: oh... i've been out of the computer-scene for a couple years
[07:22] <mcdenyer> and i dont want to pirate anything that has to do with linux
[07:23] <Stan__> ok
[07:23] <mcdenyer> lol i support linux distors
[07:23] <Razor-X> mai: heh, well welcome back ;)
[07:23] <jewel_> IceDB571: Yes, it works, but it doesn't have an open source driver, so it's not nearly as fancy
[07:23] <Razor-X> laugh-out-loud ;)
[07:23] <linuxn00b> Hi, how do I mount a hard drive using the hoary live cd??
[07:23] <Razor-X> sorry, I had to do that
[07:23] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: use xfce4 or something really light like icewm or one of the *box window managers
[07:23] <Razor-X> too much 'lol'ness in here
[07:23] <mcdenyer> how do u do that name thing where your message is red for the person u r directing it to?
[07:23] <mcdenyer> irc noob
[07:23] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: XFce is awesome
[07:23] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: How do I find out what to install/remove?
[07:24] <grphx> I marked gnomebaker for installation, now how do I install it?
[07:24] <mai> mcdenyer: that's a feature of your client, you don't need to do anything
[07:24] <mcdenyer> ?
[07:24] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: yes, it's very good indeed :)
[07:24] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic: I understand I'm going to need fluxbox or something?
[07:24] <jewel_> Stan__: Search around and make sure it's supported... you don't want one that needs ndiswrapper
[07:24] <trebuchet> i've got an error in building a driver: FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build/System.map': No such file
[07:24] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: if someone addresses you (i'm prepending the message with mcdenyer:) then, it highlights red
[07:24] <IceDC571> qemu crashes every time i try to install windows :(
[07:24] <IceDC571> oh well
[07:24] <Stan__> jewel, ok thanks i will search
[07:24] <IceDC571> off to vmware for me
[07:24] <Razor-X> of course, I have BitchX, so I don't use anything like that
[07:24] <IceDC571> 30 days is enough time
[07:24] <Razor-X> *get anything
[07:24] <jewel_> grphx: Hit "apply"
[07:24] <Madpilot> grphx: just click "Apply" in Syn
[07:24] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: xfce4 would probably run OK - or fluxbox, yes
[07:24] <grphx> Thanks
[07:25] <mcdenyer> Razor-X is there anyway i dont have to keep typing your name over and over again?
[07:25] <Razor-X> I want .hack//SIGN OST 3 :(
[07:25] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: tab complete ;)
[07:25] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: gtk-gnutella?
[07:25] <jewel_> trebuchet: Is that file in /boot ?
[07:25] <Razor-X> I long gave up typing people's names, feh
[07:25] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: something along those lines, yes ;)
[07:25] <mcdenyer> complete?
[07:25] <mcdenyer> lol whats complete
[07:25] <trebuchet> System.map-2.6.10-5-386
[07:25] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: i'm not 100% sure in XChat, but in BitchX, type in part of the name and hit Tab
[07:25] <tiglionabbit> mcdenyer: in irssi, I can hit tab and it will type out your name
[07:26] <Razor-X> and voila, C'est un nom
[07:26] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: try for example thore <tab>
[07:26] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: ewww, irssi ;)
[07:26] <niket> mysqladmin -u root password db_user_password | not works for me.. gives error | error: 'Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: NO)'
[07:26] <mcdenyer> thoreauputic, ok workewd
[07:26] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: ew?
[07:26] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: hah, yeahp
[07:26] <Razor-X> irssi is like BitchX in every way but a spare few
[07:26] <tiglionabbit> irssi is awesome, whatchoo talkin bout
[07:26] <mcdenyer> thoreauputic, so u use a comma and not one of these things : lol
[07:26] <mcdenyer> thoreauputic, ?
[07:26] <Razor-X> and those little differences just make it so unusable for me
[07:26] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:26] <jewel_> niket: I think it's --password=db_user_password
[07:26] <mcdenyer> ugh im such a noob
[07:26] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: irssi is better than bitchx in every way
[07:26] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: irssi is a lifesaver if you want torun without X, say over ssh
[07:26] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: to each his own, it's your choice
[07:27] <mcdenyer> Razor-X, ?
[07:27] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: this BitchX is being run over SSH now ;)
[07:27] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: you can change that in prefs
[07:27] <mcdenyer> oh ok
[07:27] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: hell no, in your dreams ;)
[07:27] <supernix> Hiya guys can someone help me with my Kodak digital camera? I am using Kubuntu 5.04
[07:27] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: well at least irssi wraps lines without breaking them!
[07:27] <Razor-X> I do almost all my chatting on SSH, don't let my machine dabble it
[07:27] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: fine fine, you have me there
[07:28] <niket> jewel_ : not works
[07:28] <jasmuz> supernix: is it supported?
[07:28] <Razor-X> there's probably a script to remedy that, anyways
[07:28] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: hmm... I kind of have a prejudice against bitchx for its lame default quit messages ;)
[07:28] <supernix> How can I find out ?
[07:28] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: that's why you either customize your quit messages... or never quit, like me ;)
[07:28] <supernix> I know that I can see it in the settings that it is detected
[07:28] <mcdenyer> Razor-X:
[07:28] <Razor-X> I just detach my screen session (soon to be an emacs session)
[07:28] <jasmuz> supernix: if it is you could mount it as a USB disk
[07:28] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: yes?
[07:28] <mcdenyer> Raskall: ok got it
[07:28] <Aerebus> Anyone wanna take a shot at my iffy mouse problem?
[07:28] <Hackmo> Hey all, anyone got any clues on how to get my webcam working?
[07:28] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: thanks, but I'm quite happy with xchat or irssi :)
[07:28] <jasmuz> supernix: you would have to browse the web, in google.com/linux
[07:29] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: lol.  But irssi is better in many other ways too, like how you can connect to a ton of different channels at the same time and it keeps their messages separate (alt-# switch) and reports their activity all the time.  You can also use multiple servers
[07:29] <trebuchet> anybody recognise: unknown symbol videobuf_dvb_unregister
[07:29] <niket> i just want to know steps after apt-get install mysql-server what should i do
[07:29] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: lol i got : to work lol
[07:29] <Razor-X> some people append commas after names, others append colons, still others yet use the pipe-to-file character (>), and lastly, the hyphen
[07:29] <supernix> thanks jasmuz
[07:29] <jewel_> niket: What are you trying to do?
[07:29] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: how exciting
[07:29] <jasmuz> supernix: look for your camera model in linux
[07:29] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: so can you in BitchX
[07:29] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:29] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: how do I make it so bitchx separates the messages from different channels?
[07:29] <Razor-X> well, it doesen't matter to me
[07:29] <tiglionabbit> it's really annoying
[07:29] <Razor-X> I can read well-enough as the next guy-or-gal
[07:29] <mcdenyer> anyone up for explainig to me how apps are installed into the linux distro filesystem thing
[07:30] <mcdenyer> ???
[07:30] <Razor-X> maybe better ;)
[07:30] <niket> jewel_ just want to add database do not knows password of root user and do not know how to add user
[07:30] <Razor-X> and, you can do multi-servers in BitchX
[07:30] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: yeah but sometimes it's nice to be able to pay attention to a single channel when several of them are active
[07:30] <jewel_> niket: I think the default password is blank
[07:30] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: how often do you get channel notices?
[07:30] <tiglionabbit> what?
[07:30] <jewel_> Try `mysql -u root -p`
[07:30] <Razor-X> I'm not seeing all channel messages in one window
[07:30] <tiglionabbit> you're not?
[07:30] <Razor-X> I have different windows restricted to different channels and queries, of COURSE
[07:30] <niket> jewel_ on FC its works but not on ubunut
[07:30] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: how?
[07:31] <Razor-X> i'ld die having to sort out through all that ;)
[07:31] <LoneLy> hai
[07:31] <othernoob> mcdenyer on ubuntu with a .deb file dpkg -i filename.deb or via synaptic/kynaptic or apt-get
[07:31] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: I had to kill Gnome; that was a painful experience.
[07:31] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: aw...
[07:31] <LoneLy> hai
[07:31] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: the FAQ has a very easy to bind command for that, and in recent versions, if you join one channel with an already connected one, it quits
[07:31] <mai> niket: maybe try 'dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server' (not positive about this one, but it's worth a shot)
[07:31] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: Pretty desktop, though.
[07:31] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: basically, you have to get a hang of the windowing system
[07:31] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: ew
[07:31] <jasmuz> LoneLy: hey
[07:31] <phaedrus_> !request http://www.kellymadison.com/members/home/  (netbilling)
[07:31] <ubotu> phaedrus_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:31] <Razor-X> I can get a ton of channels running here through screen and BitchX windowing
[07:31] <mcdenyer> othernoob: lol i have know idea what your talking about this is my first day of ever usingany linux distro
[07:31] <niket> mai thanks
[07:32] <grphx> So what's a good mp3 player?
[07:32] <phaedrus_> huh?
[07:32] <jewel_> niket:  I'm not sure, it's been a while since I've done it
[07:32] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: my .bitchxrc means I hit /join, and a new window auto-pops-up
[07:32] <mai> grphx: beep-media-player, rythmbox...
[07:32] <tiglionabbit> I don't like that solution.  I like how irssi allows me to run only ONE instance of itself, yet handle unlimited amounts of channels and servers SEPARATELY
[07:32] <raza> if I'm getting an MD5Sum mismatch error trying to apt-get install something, should i try to find another mirror?
[07:32] <Poromies> grphx: xmms, amaroK
[07:32] <jasmuz> grphx: Xmms, Beep media player, Amarok, muine
[07:32] <Hackmo> anyone got any idea on how to get my webcam working?
[07:32] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: I run one instance per-server, only beacuse it's inconvenient to manage more than 10 windows in one application
[07:32] <mcdenyer> i need some practice.....i need an app to try and install on ubuntu
[07:32] <mai> seriously people the text-based irc clients are not worth the debate
[07:32] <jasmuz> Hackmo: is your webcam supported?
[07:32] <Razor-X> I gave an average of 4-14 windows per server
[07:32] <The_Vox> amarok rocks...but it seriously hates me
[07:32] <Razor-X> mai: they are, XChat user ;)
[07:33] <othernoob> mcdenyer: lol well, you maybe have seen the konsole.. that's where you'd use dpkg -i...., synpatic is ubuntus installmanager
[07:33] <Hackmo> jasmuz: yes
[07:33] <mcdenyer> i dont get how to install linux apps
[07:33] <jasmuz> Hackmo: what do you need to do then?
[07:33] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: apt-get/synaptic is the general method
[07:33] <mai> Razor-X: haha, i use the text-based ones too (but if you really wanna get me involved i prefer irssi too (or epic4)
[07:33] <othernoob> mcdenyer: you maybe want to edit your sources.list firs though
[07:33] <othernoob> first*
[07:33] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: try typing  sudo apt-get install gftp  :)
[07:33] <Hackmo> jasmuz: it doesn't work, i'm getting an error that it is already in use when I try to use it
[07:33] <The_Vox> mcdenyer: "sudo aptitude install whateverapp" in your nearest terminal.
[07:33] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[07:33] <mcdenyer> othernoob: OH!!!! thats what synaptic is and thats why everyone is talking about it lol
[07:33] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[07:33] <Razor-X> mai: not many BitchX users left ;) only because irssi tends to be defacto in newer distros
[07:33] <Harold_installin> Who was a talking with about my kernel not upgrading?
[07:33] <mcdenyer> yea i already edited the list
[07:33] <tiglionabbit> mcdenyer: it's not that hard, you can just use synaptic
[07:33] <Razor-X> actually, in an older distro, BitchX was defacto, whence I adjusted to BitchX
[07:33] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[07:33] <ubotu> repositories is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:33] <mcdenyer> some guy helped me do that eralier
[07:33] <tiglionabbit> !synaptic
[07:33] <Harold_installin> thoreauputic, was that you?
[07:33] <ubotu> rumour has it, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[07:34] <jasmuz> Hackmo: that is odd
[07:34] <othernoob> mcdenyer: lol yep :)
[07:34] <mcdenyer> ok ty much all
[07:34] <Razor-X> Harold_installin: me
[07:34] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:34] <trebuchet> grr.. i'm having problems getting this a/v card working
[07:34] <Hackmo> jasmuz: yeah it is, any clues on how to sort it?
[07:34] <mcdenyer> what should i install lol
[07:34] <thoreauputic> Harold_installin: briefly a while ago, yeah
[07:34] <othernoob> porn :D
[07:34] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:34] <Razor-X> err, ok then, two people ;)
[07:34] <mcdenyer> how do u install porn?
[07:34] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:34] <mcdenyer> i thought those were an image
[07:34] <jasmuz> Hackmo: what proggy are you trying to use it with
[07:34] <Razor-X> othernoob: don't take that name here ;) that's nasty stuff (literallly)
[07:34] <Poromies> apt-get install porn
[07:34] <tiglionabbit> you don't install porn, you download it
[07:34] <jewel_> mcdenyer:  With apt
[07:34] <Poromies> :D
[07:35] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:35] <trebuchet> lspci calls this card a Zoran Corporation ZR36057PQC
[07:35] <othernoob> lol sowwy Razor-X ;)
[07:35] <Razor-X> you can also get pork ;)
[07:35] <trebuchet> Zoran Corporation ZR36057PQC
[07:35] <mcdenyer> well i want to install a program
[07:35] <Hackmo> jasmuz: i've tried multiple programs and I get the same error from all of them
[07:35] <Hackmo> jasmuz: apart from gnome-meeting that gives me a different error
[07:35] <Poromies> you need to activate the porn repos
[07:35] <Razor-X> too.... much.... laugh-out-loud'ness.... noooooooo!!!!
[07:35] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: sudo aptitude install pornview  (seriously !)
[07:35] <Harold_installin> Fellows/ladies: So when I started X and went into Gnome, there was a message there that stated that I could upgrade a few packages, including linux-kernel-image or something.  So now that I'm back in the terminal, I've run an apt-get dist-upgrade.
[07:35] <mcdenyer> thoreauputic: lol
[07:35] <The_Vox> Razor-X: what was the debian cow thing?
[07:35] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: meh, I dunno, I got really tired of how bitchx would break my lines and thread everything together unless I ran multiple instances.  Now that I've got irssi, I have it connect to freenode and feed nickserv my password on startup, and I have all my windows within the same instance, and can see their activity with the colors of their window numbers...  it's uh, neat
[07:36] <jasmuz> Hackmo: how did you know that the system recognized it?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: it exists - it's an image viewer ;)
[07:36] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:36] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: that must be a pretty ancient version of BitchX
[07:36] <othernoob> thoreauputic: is it good?
[07:36] <Razor-X> The_Vox: huh?
[07:36] <mcdenyer> fuck people give msomething to install
[07:36] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:36] <thoreauputic> othernoob: it's OK - I prefer gqview
[07:36] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: Is irssi a terminal app?
[07:36] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: yes
[07:36] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: sudo apt-get install vlc
[07:36] <mcdenyer> besides porn
[07:36] <tiglionabbit> Harold_installin: but as graphical as it needs to be
[07:36] <Razor-X> Harold_installin: use BitchX ;)
[07:36] <mcdenyer> ok
[07:36] <Harold_installin> tiglionabbit: yeah!
[07:36] <The_Vox> Razor-X: never seen the cow thing?
[07:36] <Razor-X> actually, use what you're most comfortable with
[07:36] <Razor-X> The_Vox: nopes
[07:36] <D1> can anyone recommend some good mono apps besides muine?
[07:36] <tiglionabbit> ok, I'm going to try bitchx for a moment
[07:36] <Hackmo> jasmuz: because the red light that turns on when it's in use goes on during boot up
[07:37] <othernoob> mcdenyer: install mplayer..or something..
[07:37] <Poromies> irssi is the best irc-client ever o/
[07:37] <thoreauputic> apt-get moo
[07:37] <tiglionabbit> w00t to that, Poromies
[07:37] <Razor-X> I think what really increases my reading speed, more than constant Fantasy reading, is this chatroom
[07:37] <Harold_installin> Is there a version of X-Chat Aqua?
[07:37] <Hackmo> jasmuz: it's also the only philips cam that should work out of the box with Ubuntu, I remember reading that somewhere on the Ubuntu site but I can't find the page now
[07:37] <The_Vox> Razor-X: sudo aptitude install cowsay
[07:37] <jasmuz> Hackmo: that isnt a proper way to make sure its recognized!
[07:37] <Razor-X> managing tech support with 3 people in between a flood of messages takes skill, one that takes a while to develop ;)
[07:37] <Razor-X> The_Vox: mmmmkay
[07:37] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: i get this error
[07:37] <mcdenyer> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:37] <mcdenyer> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:37] <Harold_installin> X-Chat Aqua is the Mac OS X IRC app I'm currently using.
[07:37] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: sudo apt-get install vlc
[07:37] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: still has the same behavior, in the ubuntu version
[07:38] <Razor-X> specifically prepend the 'sudo'
[07:38] <Hackmo> jasmuz: can you give me a better way to check then please?
[07:38] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: odd... then my sysadmin's a real god ;)
[07:38] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: you have multiple apt instances running
[07:38] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: how do I make bitchx separate windows?
[07:38] <The_Vox> Razor-X: then: cowsay this is a test
[07:38] <othernoob> mcdenyer then you're running synaptic and you're trying to install it via konsole i assume
[07:38] <jasmuz> Hackmo: check your query
[07:38] <Harold_installin> Can anyone tell me how I'm going to live with Windows now?
[07:38] <Poromies> mcdenyer: close synaptic when you are using apt from commandline
[07:38] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: there'r commands for it, i've bound them specifically though
[07:38] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: whats an apt?
[07:38] <Harold_installin> Now that I'm in the Ubuntu world?
[07:38] <tiglionabbit> !apt
[07:38] <ubotu> apt is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[07:38] <othernoob> Harold_installin:  miserable? :p
[07:38] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: apt is the package manager
[07:38] <mcdenyer> ok
[07:38] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: oh well im installing updates right now thats the problem
[07:39] <Poromies> synaptic is graphical front-end to apt
[07:39] <Razor-X> at least, the default package manager
[07:39] <Razor-X> I, myself, use aptitude
[07:39] <mcdenyer> damn learning a new os is so exciting
[07:39] <othernoob> why Razor-X?
[07:39] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:39] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: damn straight ;)
[07:39] <grphx> heh
[07:39] <Razor-X> othernoob: because it's better than apt-get
[07:39] <jewel_> mcdenyer: You made the right choice for a new one to learn, too
[07:39] <Razor-X> errr, apt rather
[07:39] <raza> Anyone here running Synergy?
[07:39] <Razor-X> since there are many variants of apt
[07:39] <othernoob> what's it doing better?
[07:40] <grphx> I'm not trying to learn this OS right now, I'm just trying to get my mp3s to play so i can have some music to sleep to!
[07:40] <Madpilot> "aptitude is also Y2K-compliant, non-fattening, naturally cleansing, and housebroken." <-- oh boy...
[07:40] <mcdenyer> lol yeah my bro has a friend who went stragiht to the army to be a encrypter
[07:40] <othernoob> i hardly use apt or kynaptic so i dont know
[07:40] <Razor-X> othernoob: has a nice curses interface if you invoke it normall, which I do on occasion, and can work just like apt-get if you want it to
[07:40] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: hes a crazy linux guy
[07:40] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: ;)
[07:40] <Razor-X> I'm pushing for maintainership
[07:40] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: he wrote a sweet file sharing program i guess
[07:40] <tiglionabbit> othernoob: aptitude is like a console version of synaptic.  It lets you browse through the available packages
[07:40] <Razor-X> and I promise the people, the first thing I do, compile as much proprietary support in VLC as I can and put it IN THE REPOS!!!!!
[07:41] <Razor-X> *will do
[07:41] <Poromies> grphx: just "apt-get install <mediaplayer>" like xmms
[07:41] <wolverian> othernoob: aptitude is for those who don't want to move their hands from the keyboard :)
[07:41] <othernoob> i see. i tend to compile most of the things i install..which isn't that much lately
[07:41] <othernoob> lol
[07:41] <Madpilot> grphx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats <-- for your mp3s
[07:41] <Razor-X> othernoob: ahhh, I see
[07:41] <Razor-X> I compile my most-used things
[07:41] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: lol what am i installing btw?
[07:41] <Razor-X> like my Eterm is custom compiled
[07:41] <grphx> I got Xmms..
[07:41] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: a media-player
[07:41] <grphx> But everytime  I load an mp3 in there it wont' play
[07:41] <Razor-X> that far outpaces anything else, IMHO
[07:41] <mcdenyer> Razor-X:  i just got it started
[07:41] <wolverian> grphx: go read that wikipage
[07:41] <Razor-X> wow, I think I just broke a new typing plateau
[07:41] <Razor-X> this channel gives you adrenaline ;)
[07:41] <mai> grphx: go check the wiki for restricted formats
[07:42] <wolverian> grphx: also, xmms is a horrible, horrible program. use rhythmbox, please, or muine. :)
[07:42] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: oh will this come with a dvd encoder?
[07:42] <thoreauputic> grphx: enable the esound output plugin in prefs
[07:42] <wolverian> grphx: programs that don't conform to the desktop's interface suck.
[07:42] <Razor-X> wolverian: hell no, VLC is teh way to go ;)
[07:42] <grphx> I'm guessing mp3s are restricted?
[07:42] <tiglionabbit> why not beep-media-player?
[07:42] <Poromies> grphx: check that madpilots wiki-link
[07:42] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: if you mean decoder, then, yes
[07:42] <jewel_> Or, if you like the "winamp" interface, then beep-media-player is good
[07:42] <Poromies> wolverian: :(
[07:42] <Razor-X> *the
[07:42] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: LOL
[07:42] <wolverian> Razor-X: that's slightly better, but its interface isn't as simple as it could be, either.
[07:42] <tiglionabbit> hey guys, what is the official difference between beep-media-player and xmms?
[07:42] <Razor-X> I gave up Winamp a while back
[07:42] <wolverian> Poromies: why the sad face? :)
[07:42] <steven_> jasmuz, no luck =(
[07:42] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: im such a noob
[07:42] <steven_> it still didnt work
[07:42] <tiglionabbit> when I run one while the other is open, it commands the other one, as if they are actually the same program
[07:42] <The_Vox> Razor-X: did you check the cow thing? :)
[07:43] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: beep is a gtk2 fork of xmms
[07:43] <Razor-X> wolverian: I suggest anyone who idolizes interfaces that much to go shower themselves in syrup, and not wash
[07:43] <wolverian> tiglionabbit: bmp uses gtk2 (when it chooses to actually use widgets instead of its own silly themes)
[07:43] <Razor-X> The_Vox: ahhh, I forgot ;) I installed it
[07:43] <Razor-X> how do I invoke cowspeak?
[07:43] <wolverian> Razor-X: I don't idolize interfaces. I like consistency.
[07:43] <wolverian> Razor-X: I realise some people do like the eye candy.
[07:43] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: so u can use the terminal and type in a command that goes to synaptics and it install shit or u can go into synaptics itself and install?
[07:43] <wolverian> I'm a bit judgemental, true.
[07:43] <Razor-X> wolverian: well, my consistency lies in the curses of the terminal
[07:43] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: synaptic uses a command-line program called apt-get
[07:43] <Razor-X> apt-get is terminal only ;)
[07:44] <Bryan_w> ncurses is better
[07:44] <The_Vox> Razor-X: cowsay whatever you want it to say
[07:44] <wolverian> Razor-X: sure. that's where I spend most of my time. I was speaking about application-specific themes
[07:44] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: ok
[07:44] <Razor-X> Bryan_w: there are different variants of curses, ncurses being my farovite
[07:44] <thoreauputic> wolverian: apt-get install cplay and use the consistent CLI interface ;-)
[07:44] <steven_> I dont have sound on Kubuntu or xfce but on Gnome i do.. why is this so? can anyone help meee im desperate =(
[07:44] <Razor-X> thoreauputic: ahhh, the best of the best ;)
[07:44] <mcdenyer> hmm my sound was working fine before i updated and now it doest work???
[07:44] <wolverian> thoreauputic: again, cli isn't what I was talking about, but thanks for the pointer :)
[07:44] <eternale1> arrggh ssh just work already .....
[07:44] <thoreauputic> wolverian: I was kidding :)
[07:44] <Razor-X> The_Vox: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[07:44] <Razor-X> CLI is what I live in
[07:44] <Ne0-Aw> Hi, i delted my /etc/apache2 thinking that apt-get install apache2 would put back those files in /etc
[07:44] <jasmuz> steven_: do on a command line ps aux to and check if ESD is running
[07:45] <Ne0-Aw> how can i get them back?
[07:45] <The_Vox> Razor-X: the debian cow rules :)
[07:45] <wolverian> Razor-X: what window manager do you use? :)
[07:45] <mai> steven_: seriously you need to check out what daemon you're programs are wanting to pipe their sound through, it almost certainly has to do w/ esd
[07:45] <wolverian> Razor-X: (if any)
[07:45] <Razor-X> my text editor, my special terminal, my media player
[07:45] <tiglionabbit> say guys, has anyone tried to compile this?  http://scourge.sourceforge.net/   It doesn't appear to detect ANY of the things it requires on my system...  even though I have the dev libs of most of its dependencies
[07:45] <Razor-X> wolverian: KDE... it looks good as a background ;)
[07:45] <jasmuz> steven_: or change the Sound daemon you use for your applications to ALSA
[07:45] <steven_> Ok
[07:45] <steven_> what do i do first
[07:45] <wolverian> Razor-X: hmm. ever tried ion, or ratpoison? :)
[07:45] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: you sure you have the dev version of the libs?
[07:45] <Razor-X> wolverian: never heard of the former, was considering the latter
[07:45] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: yes.  And exactly what libs does it need?
[07:46] <steven_> what do i do first
[07:46] <beatyou> Hi, i delted my /etc/apache2 thinking that apt-get install apache2 would put back those files in /etc
[07:46] <beatyou> how can i get them back?
[07:46] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: the website.... or the config process should tell you
[07:46] <jewel_> Razor-X: Even better than ratpoison is wmii
[07:46] <mcdenyer> hey why does my sound sometimes work an other times my computer beeps lol
[07:46] <Razor-X> beatyou: apt-get remove apache2 & apt-get install apache2
[07:46] <wolverian> Razor-X: ratpoison is even more barebones than ion, ion (ion3 to be specific) has floating windows optionally, and I like its keys better.
[07:46] <Razor-X> jewel_: hmmm, is it?
[07:46] <thoreauputic> beatyou: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure apache2
[07:46] <Razor-X> wolverian: I was also considering E
[07:46] <Hackmo> Hey, can anyone help me out with my webcam problem?
[07:46] <niket> jewel_ : after reconfig its adviced me to set root password in /root/.my.cnf can i know how to put lines in that file
[07:46] <Razor-X> E has eye candy, but not the syrupy kind
[07:47] <Razor-X> the nice, dark, basking kind ;)
[07:47] <wolverian> Razor-X: enlightement?
[07:47] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: the website doesn't say, and configure has many errors ending up with configure: error: Cannot find GL library
[07:47] <Razor-X> wolverian: the one and only
[07:47] <steven_> I dont have sound on Kubuntu or xfce but on Gnome i do.. why is this so? can anyone help meee im desperate =(
[07:47] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: then get the opengl dev libraries ;)
[07:47] <steven_> ive tried going on ps aux
[07:47] <jewel_> steven_: try typing killall esd
[07:47] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: what are they called?
[07:47] <Razor-X> steven_: put ps -e on pastebin for me
[07:47] <mai> steven_: stop asking the same question if you're not going to pay attention to people!
[07:47] <wolverian> Razor-X: last time I tried it, it looked like an RPG game interface from 1994
[07:47] <niket> ztonzy: hello , u r the same from #blender
[07:47] <Razor-X> jewel_: KDE does not use esd
[07:47] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: hey i got this error when installing Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/v/vlc/wxvlc_0. 8.1-1ubuntu7_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[07:47] <mcdenyer> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-mis sing?
[07:47] <jewel_> Razor-X: Yeah, I know, that's why I tell him to kill it.  :)
[07:47] <Razor-X> wolverian: check the screenshots
[07:48] <Razor-X> and I love oldschool RPGs ;;)
[07:48] <jewel_> mcdenyer:  You just need to do apt-get update
[07:48] <Razor-X> jewel_: ahh, you got a point there ;)
[07:48] <wolverian> Razor-X: not the kind of I'm talking about. :) and those screenshots look nice.
[07:48] <Razor-X> most people then restart esd
[07:48] <mcdenyer> razor but i already updated
[07:48] <beatyou> thoreauputic & Razor-X neither of those worked :[
[07:48] <beatyou> still no apache2 in /etc
[07:48] <grphx> HOLY CRAP I'm playing my mp3s..
[07:48] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:48] <pipatron> omg!!11
[07:48] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: I have selected every library it could mean...   what am I missing?
[07:48] <pipatron> mp3z are communism! :(
[07:48] <Razor-X> I suggest you get comfortable with a text editor first, mcdenyer
[07:48] <steven_> Jewel_, i killed esd but it said no process found
[07:48] <jewel_> niket:  I've got mysql on my laptop and didn't have to do that
[07:49] <othernoob> pipatron what?lol
[07:49] <Razor-X> pipatron: no, they're a lossy music format
[07:49] <jewel_> steven_: Shoot
[07:49] <niket> jewel_ : after reconfig of mysql-server package its adviced me to set root password in /root/.my.cnf can i know how to put lines in that file
[07:49] <whiprush> beatyou: look in /usr/share/doc/apache2/examples
[07:49] <steven_> razor-x, ill put that out put on pastebin now
[07:49] <pipatron> Razor-X: Oh
[07:49] <grphx> I have a feeling going from WinXP to Linux will take some time
[07:49] <niket> jewel: ok
[07:49] <Razor-X> steven_: ok
[07:49] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: i get this error when trying to do that
[07:49] <tiglionabbit> grphx: be dual boot
[07:49] <Razor-X> graphx: always does
[07:49] <niket> jewel_ : what u had done
[07:49] <grphx> I am
[07:49] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[07:49] <othernoob> grphx not really
[07:49] <mcdenyer> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[07:49] <mcdenyer> mcdenyer@Marksold:~$
[07:49] <grphx> But I want to go 100% linux
[07:49] <tiglionabbit> mcdenyer: use sudo
[07:49] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: prepend a sudo
[07:49] <grphx> Anybody know if it's possible to convert a HD from NTSF to Fat32(or wahtever linux can read/write)
[07:50] <mcdenyer> dont know what your talking about lol
[07:50] <mai> mcdenyer: stop the other apt you have running (synaptic,aptitude,etc)
[07:50] <adwait> grphx: have dual boot for sometime..........then go 100%
[07:50] <Madpilot> grphx: there is a learning curve. welcome to it!
[07:50] <mcdenyer> whats a sudo?
[07:50] <pipatron> grphx: It will take some time, because linux sucks in many areas that you simply don't have to bother with in windows
[07:50] <tiglionabbit> grphx: no.  Only with expensive software
[07:50] <beatyou> whiprush untar this apache2.conf.gz to /etc/apache 2 ?
[07:50] <tiglionabbit> !sudo
[07:50] <ubotu> hmm... sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:50] <Madpilot> !sudo
[07:50] <Razor-X> graphx: NTFS, and yes no, not really, unless you want a hellish job
[07:50] <mai> grphx: just skip the dual-boot entirely and you'll get in a lot quicker
[07:50] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: great minds thing alike?
[07:50] <LoneLy> hei were u go
[07:50] <tiglionabbit> mcdenyer: read what ubotu the bot said
[07:50] <adwait> grphx: partition magic could do that i think
[07:50] <jewel_> niket: You can edit that file with this command: sudo gedit /root/.my.cnf
[07:50] <whiprush> beatyou: yeah that's like the default apache2.conf
[07:50] <beatyou> whiprush thanks
[07:50] <LoneLy>  what talking abut
[07:50] <nickrud> huh, ubotu is pretty smart :)
[07:50] <pipatron> grphx: take some time = going 100% linux
[07:50] <grphx> if I can get my other HD to be Fat32 I'd be in good shape
[07:51] <LoneLy> jkdfhdsjh
[07:51] <LoneLy> mkfjdkf
[07:51] <Razor-X> no point graphx
[07:51] <LoneLy> kfjsa
[07:51] <LoneLy> mg
[07:51] <LoneLy> kgk
[07:51] <whiprush> beatyou: next time just mv the old config file out of the way. :)
[07:51] <LoneLy>  khgohk
[07:51] <Razor-X> setup an intermediary FAT32 partition
[07:51] <tiglionabbit> LoneLy: quiet you
[07:51] <Razor-X> LoneLy: ok
[07:51] <nickrud> grphx take your time, but it will be worth it
[07:51] <grphx> What format does Linux read?
[07:51] <niket> jewel_ : yes,, but what should i put in .my.cnf
[07:51] <thoreauputic> LoneLy: stop now please
[07:51] <Razor-X> je comprende tres bien.... vas-toi
[07:51] <Harold_installin> I'm so happy to have seen the Ubuntu desktop for a moment on my PowerBook
[07:51] <steven_> Razor-x, http://pastebin.com/309313 theres the link tell me what you want em to do next
[07:51] <grphx> Internet doesn't work in WinXP now..
[07:51] <Razor-X> graphx: many, many
[07:51] <grphx> Fat32?
[07:51] <tiglionabbit> grphx: many formats, including fat32 and ext3
[07:52] <Razor-X> Linux primarily uses ext2 or ext2+journaling (ext3), and sometimes xfs or ReiserFS
[07:52] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: i have allray changed my source list
[07:52] <grphx> Hm
[07:52] <adwait> whts the advantage of reiserfs over ext3?
[07:52] <jewel_> niket: Good question, one second
[07:52] <othernoob> Razor-X you're forgetting jfs ;)
[07:52] <Razor-X> but can read-and-write to all of those and FAT32, and FAT16
[07:52] <beatyou> argh - tar -xvzf archive.tar.gz correct ?
[07:52] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: remove all the 'us' from the file
[07:52] <mcdenyer> url links wont work for some reson i have to copy paste
[07:52] <Harold_installin> crimsun: If you're still around - just to let you know, I'm apt-get dist-upgrading right now to see it it replaces the kernel properly.
[07:52] <Razor-X> beatyou: yeah
[07:52] <adwait> whts the advantage of reiserfs over ext3?
[07:52] <tiglionabbit> um, I still have my question about GL libs
[07:52] <auk> wow, you guys are still at it
[07:52] <grphx> I tried to burn a DVD and it said something about the names being the same, but the files are in different folders..
[07:52] <auk> ;)
[07:52] <Razor-X> adwait: better support for smaller files, like an MP3 collection
[07:53] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: us?
[07:53] <steven_> razor - x, did you get the link i sent
[07:53] <tiglionabbit> adwait: from what I've heard, reiserfs blows up in your face.  So, I don't know
[07:53] <steven_> http://pastebin.com/309313
[07:53] <othernoob> adwait reiserfs is faster...
[07:53] <Razor-X> auk: like I said, hoping for maintainership ;)
[07:53] <Razor-X> oternoob: ahhh, forgot about jfs ;)
[07:53] <nickrud> auk some of us either have no life, or are tied to a desk and need something to do ...
[07:53] <auk> lol
[07:53] <Razor-X> steven_: thanks
[07:53] <adwait> hmm.......and is there anyway i can convert w/o losing data?
[07:53] <thoreauputic> othernoob: ricerfs ;-)
[07:53] <Razor-X> adwait: like I said... why?
[07:53] <tiglionabbit> anyway, could anyone help me out here?
[07:53] <Harold_installin> zlost1: Are you still here?
[07:53] <Razor-X> annex a 200 MB least, 2GB most FAT32 partition as an intermediary
[07:54] <adwait> razor-x: hehe.......well just for the heck of it, i am just using linux to learn stuff....so why not try everything "linuxy" ;)
[07:54] <nickrud> or, really do care.
[07:54] <othernoob> adwait reiserfs is primarily used on servers. for personal pcs ext3 is better
[07:54] <jewel_> niket:  http://mysqld.active-venture.com/Option_files.html
[07:54] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: I still don't know what libs to get.....   er
[07:54] <Razor-X> steven_: simple
[07:54] <Razor-X> steven_: /usr/bin/artsd start
[07:54] <beatyou> whiprush: getting error from tar saying that /usr/share/doc/apache2/examples/apache2.conf.gz does not looke like a tar archive
[07:54] <adwait> otherbnoob: hmm
[07:55] <steven_> Razor - x, is that all ? i put that on a command line
[07:55] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: run an apt-cache search for gl
[07:55] <Razor-X> steven_: yeahp
[07:55] <hyphenated> beatyou: indeed, it doesn't look like a tar archive
[07:55] <Razor-X> beatyou: it's not
[07:55] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: I did
[07:55] <Razor-X> it's a .gz archive
[07:55] <thoreauputic> beatyou: because it isn't - try zless /usr/share/doc/apache2/examples/apache2.conf.gz
[07:55] <beatyou> wow
[07:55] <hyphenated> beatyou: note the word tar not in the name?
[07:55] <beatyou> im silly
[07:55] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: I have a lot of these packages.  What could it want?
[07:55] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: hold on while I run the same search
[07:55] <whiprush> beatyou: try zcat apache.conf.gz >> somefilename
[07:55] <whiprush> or what thoreauputic said
[07:56] <beatyou> thanks
[07:56] <thoreauputic> beatyou: or gunzip
[07:56] <tiglionabbit> and searching for gl isn't very productive.  Everything may have those two letters next to eachother
[07:56] <steven_> Razor-X, ok i did that and i guess its doign something in the terminal, but what is it doing exactly.. do i even have that file
[07:56] <grphx> If I partitioned a harddrive to run linux and winXP, where would all the WinXP files be?
[07:56] <hyphenated> lots of editors can open .gz files directly and do the gzip management internally
[07:56] <adwait> grphx: in an ntfs/fat32 partition
[07:56] <mcdenyer> i shouldnt need to use sudo cuz im the admin lol
[07:56] <mcdenyer> im confused
[07:57] <tiglionabbit> grphx: you can mount your windows partition anywhere you want
[07:57] <jewel_> grphx: Depends, it's wherever you choose to mount them
[07:57] <Razor-X> tiglionabbit: hmmm... not sure,meself
[07:57] <Razor-X> try a google search
[07:57] <grphx> Well I want to..
[07:57] <auk> grphx: on a diff partition
[07:57] <Razor-X> graphx: in NTFS
[07:57] <tiglionabbit> has anyone tried to compile this scourge game?
[07:57] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: hey im the admin so i shouldnt have to use sudo right?
[07:57] <nickrud> mcdenyer if you mean, you're in the admin group, that means that sudo will work for you.
[07:57] <tiglionabbit> I could check the forums
[07:57] <Razor-X> this man needs LVM, realy bad ;)
[07:57] <auk> grphx: sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[07:57] <steven_> Razor-X, am i going to get somethign that says load complete or something
[07:57] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: no, you should, because you need to be root
[07:58] <Razor-X> steven_: not really, no ;)
[07:58] <jewel_> mcdenyer:  No, you still have to use sudo... it's to keep you from accidentally doing something that needs admin privledges
[07:58] <steven_> Razor-X, then what will i get
[07:58] <raza> Can someone please help me with this error?  I keep getting the MD5Sum mismatch: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/446
[07:58] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: im the only one on this computer and im the only admin
[07:58] <Razor-X> steven_: absolutely nothing, IIRC
[07:58] <steven_> Razor-X, its just blank after i typed that
[07:58] <grphx> auk: Okay done..
[07:58] <mcdenyer> ok
[07:58] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: doesen't matter, if you feel like being admin, the computer doesen't make you admin
[07:58] <auk> find the ntfs partition
[07:58] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: that's not how it works - you still need to use sudo
[07:58] <tiglionabbit> mcdenyer: heh, actually, being admin is what gives you ACCESS to sudo
[07:58] <nickrud> !rootsudo
[07:58] <ubotu> methinks rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:58] <grphx> OKay found
[07:58] <mcdenyer> ok
[07:59] <Razor-X> there are some things (like the idiot that did sudo chmod 551 /usr) that you shouldn't do
[07:59] <mcdenyer> whats the command for sudo?
[07:59] <auk> mcdenyer, unless you wan tto login as root
[07:59] <Razor-X> DON'T DO THAT ;)
[07:59] <nickrud> lol, sudo
[07:59] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: sudo
[07:59] <jewel_> mcdenyer:  sudo
[07:59] <adwait> mcdenyer:prepend sudo to anything
[07:59] <mcdenyer> lol whats prepend
[07:59] <mcdenyer> and how do i do it
[07:59] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: ...........
[07:59] <auk> sudo <fhajhflas>
[07:59] <nickrud> for example, sudo mv, sudo cp, sudo apt-get, etc
[07:59] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: sudo <your command here>
[07:59] <Razor-X> www.dictionary.com
[07:59] <mcdenyer> lol
[07:59] <grphx> put it before everything else
[07:59] <adwait> add in the begingn
[07:59] <whiprush> add it to the beginning on a command
[07:59] <Razor-X> append is to add in the end
[07:59] <mcdenyer> ok
[07:59] <tiglionabbit> mcdenyer: prepend means write something before.  Just say sudo before a command that takes root
[07:59] <Razor-X> therefore, the prefix pre replaces the prefix a
[07:59] <Razor-X> and pre means before
[08:00] <mcdenyer> ok
[08:00] <Razor-X> simple suffixes, affixes, and prefixes ;)
[08:00] <grphx> auk: It's /dev/hda1
[08:00] <nickrud> pend means add, pre means before
[08:00] <auk> ok
[08:00] <steven_> wtff i still ahve no sound
[08:00] <nickrud> to add to the confusion :)
[08:00] <steven_> i did everying you guys said
[08:00] <auk> grphx: now what?
[08:00] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: so i would write sudo apt-get update?
[08:00] <adwait> right
[08:00] <grphx> I dunno
[08:00] <grphx> I want to mount it I guess?
[08:00] <Razor-X> adwait: my policy is not to blindly make memorize, but to teach
[08:00] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: you got it
[08:00] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: yeah
[08:00] <mcdenyer> ok
[08:00] <auk> grphx: ok
[08:00] <mcdenyer> ty
[08:00] <Razor-X> steven_: ps -e again
[08:00] <grphx> I need to burn some stuff from that HD, because I'm too lazy to reboot to windows
[08:00] <adwait> Razor-X: hmm.......<thumbs up>
[08:00] <Razor-X> I need to see it once more, steven_
[08:00] <auk> open /etc/fstab
[08:01] <Razor-X> I work better if i'm taught something... then again, I learn with words and numbers ;)
[08:01] <Razor-X> pictures have no effect on me
[08:01] <grphx> auk: And copy all that?
[08:01] <Razor-X> they just hinder my learning process
[08:01] <auk> no
[08:01] <steven_> Razor - x, im putting it on pastebin
[08:01] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: so now do i try instaling that thing again ?
[08:01] <grphx> auk: Er.. okay it's open
[08:01] <auk> grphx: have you got it open?
[08:01] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: sudo apt-get install vlc
[08:01] <auk> oh, ok....
[08:01] <nickrud> me, put something in my hands, that's how I learn
[08:02] <Razor-X> steven_: yeah, I need the URL
[08:02] <Razor-X> nickrud: neither am I tactile ;)
[08:02] <Razor-X> that's why i'll never be a hardware person
[08:02] <mcdenyer> oh ok so if u type sudo in front it will comfinrm that u are admin befor it does anyhintg
[08:02] <Razor-X> software works because I have an inane sense of math/programming logic
[08:02] <steven_> Razor - X, heres the link http://pastebin.com/309316
[08:02] <Razor-X> (I may be good with computers, but I love math more ;)
[08:02] <steven_> Razor - X, http://pastebin.com/309316
[08:02] <Razor-X> got it steven_
[08:02] <steven_> kk
[08:02] <whiprush> sudo means "superuser do", basically you're telling the computer "run the command I say with root access."
[08:02] <Razor-X> exactly
[08:02] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: lol i got the same error im going in circles lol
[08:03] <Razor-X> superuser being the root user, the user with supreme power
[08:03] <adwait> grphx: at the end put /dev/hdX(whtever uw ant to mount> <TAB> /mount/point <TAB> auto <TAB> uid=1000,gid=100o <TAB> 0 0
[08:03] <tiglionabbit> are we still explaining root in here?  Can't they read the wiki
[08:03] <Razor-X> mcdenyer: edit your sources.list and remove the 'us' s from it
[08:04] <Razor-X> steven_: hmmm, hold on a sec
[08:04] <steven_> razor - x, got it
[08:04] <cyphase> what's a good tool for file syncronization? i want to synchronize a folder on my hard drive with a folder on a USB drive
[08:04] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: whats the command to get to the source list lol
[08:04] <thoreauputic> cyphase: rsync
[08:04] <othernoob> mcdenyer: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:04] <cyphase> thoreaputic, is there a GUI?
[08:04] <cyphase> lol
[08:04] <Razor-X> steven_: try this
[08:04] <dbernar1> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:05] <thoreauputic> cyphase: not that I know of
[08:05] <Razor-X> do you have an ogg file on you, steven_?
[08:05] <cyphase> lol
[08:05] <steven_> Razor - x, not really
[08:05] <cyphase> i was thinking like rsync was for online only
[08:05] <cyphase> i don't know why
[08:05] <cyphase> lol
[08:05] <thoreauputic> cyphase: rsync can be used locally or remotely
[08:05] <jewel_> cyphase: There are some options you can pass to it to make it go fast when you're doing something locally
[08:05] <Razor-X> if not, get one (not hard, get a test one on the site), and type this in "ogg123 -d arts example.ogg
[08:06] <steven_> Razor - x, i just go on the ubuntu device manager and i just try the sound test.. so far i cant get any sound
[08:06] <MrJung_> which  apache2 || apt-get -y install apache2 php4 libapache2-mod-php4  <--- need more ? for www server ?
[08:06] <Razor-X> and msg me if a sound plays, i'm gonna be back in a bit
[08:06] <jewel_> cyphase: Although just -a does about what you want
[08:06] <steven_> wait
[08:06] <Razor-X> mmmm?
[08:06] <steven_> razor - x,  on the terminal
[08:06] <Razor-X> yes yes
[08:06] <Razor-X> anyways, brb
[08:06] <dbernar1> MrJung_: I dont understand your question
[08:07] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: do i delete the period also us.?
[08:07] <dbernar1> yes
[08:07] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: yes
[08:07] <mcdenyer> okty
[08:07] <dbernar1> yup
[08:07] <dbernar1> its a url
[08:07] <mai> MrJung_: it depends on what kind of web-server you're looking at
[08:07] <jewel_> MrJung_: Just the apache2 package is all you need for the web server itself
[08:08] <MrJung_> dbernar1,  need i more as apache2php4 and libapche2-mod-php4 for an webserver ? ,.... i want place this code in a scripte file for automatic install
[08:09] <inemo> "Admiral_Justin: kicks ubuntu for being too stable for his tendancy to break things" from #wordpress ;)
[08:09] <mai> MrJung_: what is your mother language?
[08:09] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: ok just curious but why am i doing thi?
[08:09] <mcdenyer> s
[08:09] <MrJung_> mai,  germany , sorry for the bad english
[08:09] <MrJung_> -y
[08:09] <mai> MrJung_: no it's cool, just trying to see if there was a better channel for you
[08:09] <adwait> Mrjung_ try #ubuntu-de
[08:10] <mai> MrJung_: you don't need anything except apache2 for the webserver, but you may need other stuff (php, mysql, etc) depending on what you want to do w/ it
[08:10] <mcdenyer> Razor-X: shit i dont think ive changed the list yet lol i never saved
[08:10] <mcdenyer> how do u save shit lol i dont see any file> save
[08:10] <steven_> where can i download an example ogg
[08:10] <MrJung_> i am in ther, but nobody knows the prob
[08:10] <dbernar1> MrJung_: yeah, apache or apache2 will do for a web server
[08:10] <adwait> ooh....hmm
[08:10] <thor|afk> mcdenyer: in nano, ctrl-x and then type yes
[08:11] <mcdenyer> ok ty
[08:11] <mcdenyer> hey can somone give me the url to the site with the source.list?
[08:11] <dbernar1> sudo aptitude install apache2
[08:11] <thor|afk> !sources
[08:11] <ubotu> from memory, sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[08:11] <nickrud> steven_ http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger/test.html has a decent media test
[08:11] <MrJung_> dbernar1,  thx, but install apt-get all file it needit ? wenn ei place this code in a script ?
[08:11] <MrJung_> ei = i
[08:12] <mcdenyer> thor|afk: hey can u give me the url to that sitre with the source.list i need?
[08:12] <thor|afk> see ubotu above
[08:12] <MrJung_> dbernar1,  ah aptitude is a think i need , not apt-get ? ok thanks
[08:12] <thor|afk> mcdenyer: ^^^
[08:12] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: yes, if you put sudo aptitude install apache2 in a script file, that will install apache2, as a working web server
[08:13] <cafuego> MrJung_: aptitude and apt-get do the same thing
[08:13] <dbernar1> apt-get install is very much the same thing as aptitude install
[08:13] <MrJung_> cafuego,  ah ok, but wat is the deferent ?
[08:13] <dbernar1> very small difference
[08:13] <cafuego> MrJung_: aptitude can also run by itself, apt-get can not.
[08:13] <thor|afk> MrJung_: aptitude is slightly smarter ;)
[08:14] <nickrud> aptititude is just a bit smarter about package dependcy removal
[08:14] <dbernar1> aptitude is a user front end for apt-get
[08:14] <dbernar1> kinda, thats a sentence someone else said
[08:14] <_crimsun> aptitude is a frontend for apt, yes, not for apt-get.
[08:14] <nickrud> dbernar1 not quite, apt-get and aptitude are front ends for apt
[08:14] <mcdenyer> dbernar1: i dont understand how this gives me the new source.list but ok lol
[08:14] <MrJung_> hmm i want install them automatic, i wan't see anythink
[08:14] <ztonzy> hi niket , not from #blender but from #blenderchat
[08:15] <mcdenyer> dbernar1: ok its done... now what do i do?
[08:15] <cafuego> MrJung_: close your eyes after you hit return
[08:15] <_crimsun> aptitude logs attempted actions whereas apt-get doesn't.
[08:15] <ztonzy> oops
[08:15] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list
[08:15] <mcdenyer> ok
[08:15] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: I was not talking to you before.
[08:15] <mcdenyer> lol ok
[08:15] <MrJung_> cafuego,  thanks *g*
[08:15] <nickrud> and aptitude will remove unused packages, keeping a cleaner system
[08:15] <mcdenyer> dbernar1: i just installed that thing
[08:15] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: what did you install, apache2?
[08:15] <dbernar1> :)
[08:15] <mcdenyer> dbernar1: lol yeah
[08:15] <steven_> does anyone know how to change to root
[08:16] <othernoob> mcdenyer, if you edited the sources.list, save it, close it, type sudo apt-get update
[08:16] <steven_> while on a sesion
[08:16] <dbernar1> you can sudo aptitude remove apache2
[08:16] <cafuego> MrJung_: 'apt-get install -y apache2 libapache2-mod-php4'
[08:16] <MrJung_> steven_,  sudo ?
[08:16] <cafuego> MrJung_: That will install apache2 and enable php4.
[08:16] <dbernar1> yes, sudo
[08:16] <tiglionabbit> !sudo
[08:16] <ubotu> hmm... sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:16] <dbernar1> steven, that is for you to read.
[08:16] <mcdenyer> othernoob: yeah i will
[08:16] <nickrud> !sources
[08:16] <ubotu> it has been said that sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[08:16] <steven_> steven@Ubuntu22:~$ /usr/bin/artsd start
[08:16] <steven_> akode: No media loaded
[08:17] <MrJung_> dbernar1,  thats my code -> which  apache2 || apt-get -y install apache2 php4 libapache2-mod-php4
[08:17] <nickrud> lol
[08:17] <lifeless> how to I un-disable the cups web administration ?
[08:17] <dbernar1> no need for the which, I dont see what that would do.
[08:17] <signbarn> what do i type in a terminal to make it so each command i type after that  like typing "sudo" before it?
[08:17] <nickrud> lifeless sudo adduser cupsys shadow, then make changes using web admin, then sudo deluser cupsys shadow
[08:17] <dbernar1> MrJung_: to install anything on a system, you need to be root.
[08:18] <mcdenyer> so do i delete the old source list?
[08:18] <cafuego> MrJung_: Just run 'apt-get -y install apache2 libapache2-mod-php4' - it doesn't matter if they are already installed.
[08:18] <mcdenyer> and replace it with that one?
[08:18] <The_Vox> signbarn: sudo -s
[08:18] <signbarn> thanks, The_Vox
[08:18] <nickrud> lifeless do that each time, it's not advisable to leave cupsys in shadow
[08:18] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: open a terminal in gnome
[08:18] <auk> signbarn: sudo bash
[08:18] <mcdenyer> yeah i know
[08:18] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: then, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:18] <mcdenyer> yeah
[08:18] <signbarn> is that prefered over running the root terminal program?
[08:18] <MrJung_> dbernar1, i want write an install script, in there is an root checking
[08:18] <lifeless> nickrud: do I need to hup cupsd ?
[08:18] <dbernar1> then, replace everything there with what you want there.
[08:18] <auk> don't know
[08:19] <nickrud> lifeless yeah, I forgot the cupsys restart after each group change
[08:19] <lifeless> nickrud: oh, and thanks
[08:19] <auk> don' thtink it really make sa diff
[08:19] <mcdenyer> dbernar1: then do i delte the source list or add on to it?
[08:19] <nickrud> lifeless np, I beat my head against that until someone helped me out
[08:19] <MrJung_> thanks for helping to me :)
[08:19] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: replace everything with the new one, save, close gedit, and in the same terminal, type in sudo aptitude update
[08:20] <othernoob> mcdenyer you alter the sources.list and simply save it.
[08:20] <cafuego> how useful, a floor plan without dimensions :-P
[08:20] <dbernar1> MrJung_: if the user is not root, and you run that script, it will not works
[08:20] <dbernar1> if the user that runs the script is not a sudoer, he can not insatll anything
[08:21] <TokenBad> does proftpd have gui?
[08:21] <dbernar1> MrJung_: if you add sudo in front of the apt-get, and the user is a sudoer, the script will ask the user for his password, and after he types it in, he will be able to install apache
[08:21] <The_Vox> TokenBad: no
[08:21] <dbernar1> TokenBad: for what?
[08:21] <dbernar1> I mean, what would you do, change the config file?
[08:21] <TokenBad> don't know..a friend was asking me
[08:22] <sono> Hello  friends.
[08:22] <dbernar1> yo
[08:22] <jasmuz> sono: hello there
[08:22] <MrJung_> function S3 (){
[08:22] <MrJung_> 	if [ `whoami` = "root" ] then ...do any.....   i have this in the script as first
[08:22] <dbernar1> hey, friend:)
[08:23] <sono> I am trying to clean and recreate a bug that makes VIA sound chipsets to produce slight audio crackles.
[08:23] <dbernar1> MrJung_: I dont know that much about scripting, or the shell, so I cant tell you if that will work
[08:23] <cafuego> MrJung_: test $(id) -eq 0 || ( echo You need to be root && exit 1)
[08:23] <mcdenyer> dbernar1: ok its working
[08:23] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: good stuff
[08:23] <sono> I have been testing and recompiling my audio apps looking for the source of the problem.
[08:23] <mcdenyer> dbernar1: thanks alot
[08:24] <_crimsun> sono: snd_via82xx?
[08:24] <dbernar1> welcome
[08:24] <cafuego> Hmm, typical.
[08:24] <TokenBad> TokenBad what would you use gui for anyway?
[08:24] <TokenBad> phaedrus so configure users groups and directories and shit like that
[08:24] <TokenBad> thats what he said
[08:24] <sono> right  _crimsun (by the way, hi crimsun, is nice to drop here and see you again, you maybe don't know but have supported me looots of times)
[08:24] <cafuego> MrJung_: test $(id -u) -eq 0 || ( echo You need to be root && exit 1)
[08:24] <MrJung_> cafuego,  oh it is shorter thanks
[08:25] <cafuego> MrJung_: Don't forget the '-u'
[08:25] <_crimsun> sono: default alsa on hoary? (1.0.6)
[08:25] <dbernar1> TokenBad: ya, thats config file editing, I guess there is not, open the config file though, it is very nicely commented.
[08:25] <sono> right _crimsun
[08:25] <sono> well
[08:25] <_crimsun> sono: using alsa directly or esound/polypaudio?
[08:25] <sono> wait, not for de via
[08:25] <sono> using esd and oss
[08:25] <mcdenyer> after i install something like vlc where do i goto run it?
[08:25] <auk> now i'm being kicked off the comp, see ya all tomorrow :(
[08:25] <mcdenyer> where is it lol
[08:26] <_crimsun> sono: alsa's oss emulation or oss/free?
[08:26] <sono> the only way I can default to alsa is when using M-AUDIO DUO USB
[08:26] <dbernar1> a terminal, or Applications menu>Sound& Video
[08:26] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: ^^
[08:26] <sono> OSS Emulation
[08:26] <mcdenyer> ok ty
[08:26] <MrJung_> cafuego,  thank you very much
[08:26] <dbernar1> bye auk.
[08:26] <sono> but hold, even using XMMS with plain X
[08:26] <mcdenyer> dbernar1: whats the command in terminal to run vlc?
[08:26] <dbernar1> vlc
[08:27] <dbernar1> likely
[08:27] <_crimsun> sono: does plughw:0,0 work (presuming snd_via82xx is driver 0)
[08:27] <mcdenyer> just vlc?
[08:27] <lifeless> nickrud: yay, new printer working. Thanks!
[08:27] <sono> let me see...
[08:27] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: try
[08:27] <othernoob> mcdenyer yes
[08:27] <mcdenyer> ok sweet it worked
[08:27] <dbernar1> or go Applications>Sound and Video
[08:27] <sono> I have not tried it yet
[08:27] <dbernar1> ya, it does:)
[08:27] <nickrud> lifeless np, and, it was good you proofread :)
[08:27] <lifeless> ;)
[08:27] <dbernar1> anyone in cst, is it really 1:27?
[08:28] <dbernar1> bah, I have the dumbest qyestions.
[08:28] <dbernar1> there is only a million other places I could find out.
[08:28] <cafuego> Fri Jul  8 16:28:43 EST 2005
[08:28] <umar> hello all
[08:29] <dbernar1> hi, umar
[08:29] <umar> i need to download ubuntu 5.04 kernel source
[08:29] <_crimsun> why yes, it's actually 1:29, dbernar1
[08:29] <mcdenyer> dbernar1: it worked
[08:29] <_crimsun> umar: linux-source-2.6.10
[08:29] <nickrud> dbernar1 san antonio time matches
[08:29] <dbernar1> thanks.
[08:29] <umar> yp
[08:29] <umar> linux-source-2.6.10
[08:29] <jasmuz> good night kiddies
[08:29] <sono> _crimsun: I am about to test the output of xmms using the plughw:0,0 output
[08:29] <umar> how can i install
[08:29] <dbernar1> can you compile a kernel and then not use it? you can, right?
[08:30] <_crimsun> sono: for the alsa output plugin
[08:30] <nickrud> dbernar1 yes, only if you add the kernel to grub, and then choose to use it.
[08:30] <thoreauputic> dbernar1: when in doubt re: time >>  sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart   ;)
[08:30] <sono> _crimsun: yep
[08:30] <trebuchet> the audio on my system is working, but for some reason its not working in tuxracer
[08:31] <trebuchet> "Reason: No available audio device"
[08:31] <_crimsun> trebuchet: disable esd before playing tuxracer
[08:31] <dbernar1> thoreauputic: even when I am not sure the time zone and hardware clock are correct?
[08:31] <steven_> I GOT SOUND WORKING!
[08:31] <thoreauputic> trebuchet: try killall esd before running it
[08:31] <cafuego> According to 'date' it's 06:31 in CST
[08:31] <steven_> WOOOT!
[08:31] <The_Vox> steven_: congrats
[08:31] <thoreauputic> dbernar1: ah, that's different, agreed :)
[08:31] <nickrud> lol, that's not what my watch says
[08:31] <dbernar1> ya, I was not sure, cause of cdt.
[08:31] <steven_> wait
[08:31] <steven_> i have a problem though
[08:31] <steven_> i cant get sounds on
[08:32] <steven_> some programs but i can get them working on mp3s
[08:32] <mcdenyer> how do i play a dvd on this thing?
[08:32] <steven_> whats the deal
[08:32] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: not easy.
[08:32] <mcdenyer> dbernar1: lol
[08:32] <dbernar1> serious
[08:32] <_crimsun> steven_: what program are you using to play mp3s?
[08:32] <dbernar1> I had a girl fall asleep here, trying to get it working.
[08:32] <Madpilot> mcdenyer: put it in the DVD player. Totem should play it
[08:32] <steven_> xmms
[08:32] <dbernar1> not much easier on windows, I myst confess,
[08:32] <_crimsun> steven_: is xmms using esound output?
[08:33] <steven_> i have no clue
[08:33] <steven_> what esound  is
[08:33] <_crimsun> steven_: what does it say in the preferences for audio output plugin?
[08:33] <mcdenyer> Madpilot: no totem says it cant play dvds
[08:33] <othernoob> dbernar1 doesn't vlc play dvds?
[08:33] <sono> _crimsun: ok... this is pretty interesting, little cracking was reduced, but didn't dissapeared; is there a buffering or sound chunk priority parameter set for the ALSA Playback code?
[08:33] <othernoob> as well as mplayer?
[08:33] <dbernar1> othernoob: no idea, I know its not easy, prove me wrong.
[08:33] <_crimsun> sono: yes, there's a /proc entry
[08:33] <dbernar1> its all dma unenabled, and stuff.
[08:33] <sono> hmmm...
[08:33] <othernoob> dbernar1 i'll try
[08:34] <_crimsun> sono: keep in mind you can also adjust the buffer parameters from within alsa
[08:34] <steven_> oss driver 1.2.10
[08:34] <_crimsun> sono: rather, xmms
[08:34] <_crimsun> steven_: change it to esound
[08:34] <steven_> how
[08:34] <sono> _crimsun: ok... anyway I only use xmms for testing
[08:34] <steven_> wait ok
[08:34] <dbernar1> click on the drop down.
[08:34] <steven_> ill do that
[08:35] <steven_> now that i changed it to esound
[08:35] <steven_> it doesnt work
[08:35] <dbernar1> hehe, crimsun misread.
[08:35] <_crimsun> steven_: make sure esd is running
[08:35] <dbernar1> or maybe not...
[08:35] <steven_> it says "your soundcard is configure properly you have the correct out put plugin selected no other program is blocking the sound card"
[08:35] <steven_> Oh before all that it says "Pease check that"
[08:36] <_crimsun> steven_: pgrep esd
[08:36] <dbernar1> if it gives you a number, its good.
[08:36] <steven_> _crimsun, is there any way i can just put it as the oss plugin
[08:36] <steven_> for all my sound
[08:36] <othernoob> dbernar1 just put Pumping Iron in my dvddrive and I don't wanna sound like a queer or nothing, but Arnold is sexy ;)
[08:36] <dbernar1> or rather running.
[08:36] <dbernar1> bah,.
[08:37] <dbernar1> working all good, and not choppy?
[08:37] <othernoob> dbernar1 yea
[08:37] <dbernar1> othernoob: and you did not enable dma?
[08:37] <_crimsun> steven_: not unless your hardware supports it, which it doesn't seem to
[08:37] <othernoob> i enabled dma the day i installed kubuntu
[08:37] <othernoob> so, yes it's enabled
[08:38] <dbernar1> othernoob: wanna share how, the wiki changed, and no longer has that shown in a simple,. ubuntuguide, type of way...
[08:38] <dbernar1> wanna share how?
[08:38] <othernoob> phew. it's been a while..
[08:38] <steven_> _crimsun, i put pgrep esd but for some reason it hasnt responded
[08:38] <mcdenyer> is kubuntu better then ubuntu/???
[08:38] <dbernar1> it is different, try and tell us if it is better.
[08:38] <Tomcat_> mcdenyer: No... the questions is if you want to use KDE or Gnome.
[08:39] <steven_> mcdenyer, it depend
[08:39] <_linuxAS_> wenaz
[08:39] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: kubuntu is the same as ubuntu except it uses KDE
[08:39] <mcdenyer> oh ok
[08:39] <Tomcat_> mcdenyer: Nonetheless I'd say Ubuntu is better, because the KDE is not as well packaged... unfortunately.
[08:39] <dbernar1> so very different...:)
[08:39] <mcdenyer> ok
[08:39] <cafuego> mcdenyer: That said, if you install ubuntu, you can add on KDE and vice versa.
[08:39] <steven_> can i download esd
[08:39] <mcdenyer> what do most people use?
[08:39] <Tomcat_> mcdenyer: Gnome/Ubuntu.
[08:39] <cafuego> steven_: esd is already installed if you use ubuntu.
[08:39] <nickrud> and, there's no reason that kde will not be as well packaged in the future
[08:39] <thoreauputic> steven_: you don't need to - it's installed by default
[08:40] <_linuxAS_> mcdenyer, 3.000.000 ubuntu and 3500000 kubuntu
[08:40] <cafuego> steven_: 'dpkg -l esound'
[08:40] <dbernar1> steven_: type in esd in a terminal, and tell us if that makes sounds.
[08:40] <nickrud> although, I'll never know, but by hearsay :)
[08:40] <_linuxAS_> xDDD
[08:40] <_crimsun> steven_: do you mean it returned to a prompt immediately, or did the command hang?
[08:40] <dbernar1> _linuxAS_: you know that for a fact?
[08:40] <mcdenyer> so more people use kubuntu
[08:41] <Tomcat_> I doubt that... :o
[08:41] <_linuxAS_> dbernar1, suere
[08:41] <steven_> _crimsun it just hung
[08:41] <_linuxAS_> dbernar1, sure
[08:41] <cafuego> mcdenyer: You should use what YOU want, not what OTHERS want or use.
[08:41] <mcdenyer> lol
[08:41] <mcdenyer> i know
[08:41] <cafuego> mcdenyer: Why not try both and see which is nicer?
[08:41] <mcdenyer> just curious
[08:41] <mcdenyer> good idea
[08:41] <steven_> YES IT MADE A SOUND
[08:41] <beatyou> hi, i accidently removed my /etc/apache2 thinking an apt-get install apache2 would REPLACE them, but it didn't so now i can't restore the /etc/apache2 files
[08:41] <steven_> I PUSHED ESD AND IT MADE A SOUND
[08:41] <beatyou> i tried this -> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=33130
[08:41] <Tomcat_> cafuego: Having what most people have has advantages though... that's how I choose my packets. I know it's kinda stupid. ;)
[08:41] <dbernar1> we see small letters.
[08:41] <dbernar1> steven_: follow crimsun .
[08:41] <thoreauputic> mcdenyer: kubuntu is still ubuntu - just a different desktop
[08:42] <cafuego> Tomcat_: Is that why you're running Windows 98?
[08:42] <mcdenyer> yeah i know
[08:42] <nickrud> lets,see, 435 total on #ubuntu, 86 on #kubuntu
[08:42] <_crimsun> steven_: not the ,,esd'' command but the ,,pgrep esd'' command
[08:42] <Tomcat_> cafuego: Nah, only for the packages... I do run Ubuntu on all important machines. :)
[08:42] <othernoob> dbernar1 did you get the query?
[08:42] <cafuego> Tomcat_: But that's not what most people use ;-)
[08:42] <Tomcat_> :P
[08:42] <dbernar1> othernoob: I am using irssi, and dont know anything..
[08:42] <steven_> _crimsun i put pgrep esd but i havent got anything yet
[08:42] <dbernar1> I got it, it says act 3
[08:43] <steven_> ok i got an output
[08:43] <steven_> it said
[08:43] <beatyou> anyone help me out please ? heh
[08:43] <steven_> 20876
[08:43] <othernoob> dbernar lol thats ok ;) open a konsole and type sudo hdparm -v /dev/hd* where * is your drive
[08:43] <othernoob> then you'll see whether dma is enabled or not
[08:43] <_crimsun> steven_: before or after you executed esd manually?
[08:43] <steven_> steven@Ubuntu22:~$ pgrep esd
[08:43] <steven_> 20876
[08:43] <othernoob> to enable it, type sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hd*
[08:43] <othernoob> d0 to disable
[08:44] <steven_> after
[08:44] <dbernar1> sorry crimsun .
[08:44] <dbernar1> othernoob: thank you.
[08:44] <steven_> _crimsun, what should i do now
[08:44] <_crimsun> steven_: in System> Preferences> Multimedia Systems Selector> Default audio sink, what is it set to?
[08:45] <_crimsun> dbernar1: no need to apologise
[08:45] <dbernar1> k^_^
[08:45] <dbernar1> not as cute as when not in a console...
[08:46] <dbernar1> let me see how the dvd playsnow.
[08:46] <othernoob> dbernar1 no problem
[08:46] <steven_> im trying to look for the multimedia systems selector but im on xfce
[08:46] <dbernar1> damn, I got goo all over the rented dvd...
[08:46] <rob^> is there any reason why gdesklets doesn't work?
[08:47] <_crimsun> steven_: oh! well that's why... all your apps are still configured to use esound, but esd isn't invoked automatically by Xfce
[08:47] <dbernar1> rob^: for me, it is that I dont know how to use it.
[08:47] <rob^> all I get is a blank box appear on screen when I try to run one
[08:47] <thoreauputic> rob^: tht it's rubbish ? *ducks*
[08:47] <steven_> so how do i do that _crimsun
[08:47] <rob^> thoreauputic, is there anything better?
[08:47] <nickrud> rob^ scrub that stuff
[08:47] <dbernar1> you invoke it as you did in terminal, esd
[08:48] <thoreauputic> rob^: I wouldn't know - I run fluxbox :)
[08:48] <rob^> gdesklets seems like a good idea, its broken as all heck though
[08:48] <nickrud> rob^ just find apps that give you the results, maybe gkrellm can be a start
[08:49] <thoreauputic> rob^: last time I played with gdesklets it ate my CPU for breakfast , so ...
[08:49] <steven_> _crimsun, any suggestions
[08:49] <rob^> I was just after a simple rss aggreagator for my desktop :(
[08:49] <thoreauputic> rob^: liferea
[08:49] <thoreauputic> or straw
[08:49] <_crimsun> steven_: dbernar1 answered that question
[08:49] <nickrud> I use liferea
[08:49] <rob^> thoreauputic, thanks
[08:50] <steven_> i invoke it?
[08:50] <steven_> what just type esd?
[08:50] <_crimsun> steven_: yep
[08:50] <steven_> AWESOME
[08:50] <steven_> it works
[08:50] <_crimsun> steven_: out of curiosity, cat /proc/asound/modules
[08:51] <steven_> 0 snd_cs46xx
[08:51] <thoreauputic> rob^: liferea has a gnome applet thing that sits in the notification area, by the way
[08:51] <steven_> do i have to type esd everytime i load the compt
[08:51] <dbernar1> my dvd is still choppy, should I I guess just try a different program to run it?
[08:51] <_crimsun> steven_: interesting. That driver supports multiopen, but does your hardware?
[08:51] <steven_> wat do you mean
[08:51] <dbernar1> :)
[08:51] <_crimsun> steven_: what's the actual sound card?
[08:52] <steven_> cirrus sound fusion cs46
[08:52] <_crimsun> not a laptop, correct?
[08:52] <steven_> yeah it is a laptop
[08:53] <_crimsun> ah, the plot thickens
[08:53] <vladuz976> hi, the little icons on the gnome menu bar for the running gaim for instance or other running applications are gone. anybody know how i can restore it.
[08:53] <steven_> lol why is that bad
[08:53] <_crimsun> steven_: ok, you may not even need esd
[08:53] <othernoob> dbernar1 if i remember correctly, you may also have to edit /etc/hdparm.conf and append /dev/hd* { dma=on } at the end
[08:53] <_crimsun> steven_: kill esd, then change xmms to use oss output again
[08:54] <steven_> wait _crimsun i got sound working though
[08:54] <dbernar1> vladuz976: tried killall gnome-panel?
[08:54] <_crimsun> steven_: that's fine, but now we're testing a hopefully more optimal solution
[08:54] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: you might have accidentally removed the notification area
[08:54] <dbernar1> othernoob: but, that is prolly only to enable it on boot, right?
[08:54] <steven_> ok _crimsun tell me what to do
[08:54] <vladuz976> dbernar1: yes, i actually followed a how to on the forum to get rid of the gnome foot in the panel, unfortunately that also removed te rest
[08:55] <_crimsun> steven_: did you change xmms back to oss?
[08:55] <beatyou> hi, i accidently removed my /etc/apache2 thinking an apt-get install apache2 would REPLACE them, but it didn't so now i can't restore the /etc/apache2 files
[08:55] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: try right clicking the panel and adding a notification area
[08:55] <beatyou> i tried this -> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=33130
[08:55] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: i think i did. it's really inconvenient. i used to have gaim just running there without the window open
[08:55] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: let me try
[08:55] <othernoob> dbernar1 i'm not sure anymore. i did both, because i read both in the wiki back then
[08:55] <steven_> yes
[08:55] <cafuego> !forums 33130
[08:55] <steven_> _crimsun i changed it
[08:55] <dbernar1> vladuz976: oh, so the system tray thing?
[08:56] <ubotu> Forums: Thread 33130 is: Ubuntu Forums - Apache2 directoy structure
[08:56] <dbernar1> damn scrolling thing:)
[08:56] <vladuz976> dbernar1: yes
[08:56] <thoreauputic> dbernar1: it's called "notification" in gnome I believe
[08:56] <_crimsun> steven_: did you pkill esd?
[08:56] <cafuego> beatyou: 'dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/atchives/apache2*deb'
[08:56] <dbernar1> vladuz976: then, yes, a notification thing will do it.
[08:56] <vladuz976> dbernar1: i don't remember where i found the post tho
[08:56] <Hackmo> Hey all, anyone got any ideas on how to get my webcam working?
[08:57] <steven_> kill esd?
[08:57] <vladuz976> dbernar1: i just added one, but no differnce
[08:57] <cafuego> beatyou: the '--force-confmiss' will make it replace missing config files.
[08:57] <dbernar1> vladuz976: hm...check that it is enabled to have a system tray icon?
[08:57] <steven_> aright i killed esd
[08:57] <beatyou> cafuego hmm
[08:57] <dbernar1> call 911.
[08:57] <vladuz976> dbernar1: i don't even get the icon up thre
[08:57] <lcore> OT: Want to buy 2 wireless PCI Cards to connect Debian serv with Ubuntu desktop. Which manufacturer will you suggest (cheap but enough to connect within a range of 50m^2 flat)? Which cards will be no problem to configure on both machines?
[08:58] <steven_> now the sound dont work
[08:58] <_crimsun> steven_: ok, that's good.
[08:58] <dbernar1> steven_: its a start...
[08:58] <cafuego> lcore: Check which cards are supported by the kernel, then get one of those.
[08:58] <steven_> soo starting up esd was the whole thing
[08:58] <_crimsun> steven_: now, since esd is not running and xmms is configured to use oss, xmms should work
[08:58] <Imsdle> when i open evolution it just hangs and my harddisk goes flat out
[08:58] <steven_> lol
[08:59] <Imsdle> does anyoen know how i can reinstall it or something
[08:59] <sono> _crimsun: hmmm well, I still raised buffers to the top, getting no better output.  Volumes indeed are under 30%, but the cracking is still present...
[08:59] <_crimsun> steven_: the entire point of this conversation, btw, is to drop esd completely, since it's highly suboptimal if your hardware can handle multiopen natively
[08:59] <steven_> yeah
[08:59] <steven_> true
[08:59] <steven_> so esd isnt that great
[08:59] <beatyou> cafuego: still get same error
[08:59] <dbernar1> steven_: for your hardware, it is not.
[09:00] <thoreauputic> Imsdle: have you tried running evolution from a terminal to see if there are error messages?
[09:00] <steven_> ok i have another problem
[09:00] <steven_> i want to see
[09:00] <steven_> if we can figure out
[09:00] <vladuz976> dbernar1: you think i should restart the panel after adding the notification area
[09:00] <_crimsun> steven_: not quite finished with sound.
[09:00] <dbernar1> maybe, i dont think so, you should restart gaim, tho.
[09:00] <Imsdle> ummm no how do i do that
[09:00] <steven_> were not
[09:00] <_crimsun> steven_: did you test xmms?
[09:00] <sono> _crimsun: now I will test on the file format end... going to Audacity.
[09:00] <steven_> yes i did
[09:00] <nickrud> steven_ I've use the same driver, and it works very nicely as _crimsun will tell you
[09:00] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: yes, try killall gnome-panel
[09:01] <_crimsun> sono: via onboard, unfortunately, is highly suspect
[09:01] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: didn't do anythign
[09:01] <steven_> _crimsun should i test xmms on esd or oss
[09:01] <dbernar1> vladuz976: restarted gaim?
[09:01] <_crimsun> steven_: oss, since esd isn't running
[09:01] <steven_> oss works
[09:01] <steven_> when ess isnt on
[09:01] <dbernar1> good
[09:01] <dbernar1> or excellent even.
[09:01] <vladuz976> dbernar1: yes
[09:01] <ksmurf> I'm getting this error trying to set samba up.  What do I do?  * Starting Samba daemons..                                              [fail] 
[09:01] <ksmurf> invoke-rc.d: initscript samba, action "start" failed.
[09:02] <beatyou> cafuego: still a blank /etc/apache2
[09:02] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: do any apps show in the notification area? eg music player/rhythmbox?
[09:02] <vladuz976> not there tho
[09:02] <_crimsun> steven_: ok. Now, execute gstreamer-properties
[09:02] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: no
[09:02] <thoreauputic> hmm
[09:02] <thoreauputic> odd
[09:02] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: have rhythmbox playing, but doesn't show
[09:03] <sono> _crimsun... hehe yeah.  In fact I work with the USB Duo for real work; but sometimes I need to do eventual quick on the road tasks with the Via
[09:03] <steven_> ok _crimsun im at gstreamer properties
[09:03] <Imsdle> how do i run evolution in terminal
[09:03] <dbernar1> evolution<enter>
[09:03] <Imsdle> dohhh oh :P
[09:03] <thoreauputic> Imsdle: :)
[09:03] <nickrud> lol
[09:04] <_crimsun> steven_: in the audio sink section, set it to oss
[09:04] <Imsdle> es menu class init
[09:04] <Imsdle> adding hook target 'source'
[09:04] <Imsdle> (evolution:1077): camel-WARNING **: Invalid root: '/home/melissa/.evolution/mail/local/Outbox.ibex.index'
[09:04] <Imsdle> (evolution:1077): camel-WARNING **: version: TEXT.000 (TEXT.000)
[09:04] <Imsdle> (evolution:1077): camel-WARNING **: block size: 1024 (1024) OK
[09:04] <Imsdle> (evolution:1077): camel-WARNING **: free: 0 (0 add size < 1024) OK
[09:04] <Imsdle> (evolution:1077): camel-WARNING **: last: 6144 (6144 and size: 1024) BAD
[09:04] <Imsdle> (evolution:1077): camel-WARNING **: flags: unSYNC
[09:04] <_crimsun> whoa
[09:04] <Imsdle> update flow align
[09:04] <nickrud> Imsdle not good to flood
[09:04] <steven_> set everything to oss?
[09:04] <_crimsun> steven_: just audio sink
[09:05] <steven_> the default sink was on esd
[09:05] <steven_> i mean
[09:05] <mcdenyer> ok im out all later and ty for all the help
[09:05] <steven_> yeah
[09:05] <steven_> and the default saurce was on oss
[09:05] <_crimsun> steven_: default sink -> oss
[09:05] <dbernar1> mcdenyer: see ya
[09:05] <steven_> ok
[09:05] <dbernar1> Imsdle: melissa?
[09:06] <nickrud> Imsdle, and, do you have use of evolution? (gtk/gnome programs sometimes flood warnings about recoverable things)
[09:06] <steven_> what should i set the default source as _crimsun
[09:06] <Imsdle> no.. im am melissa's husband
[09:06] <Imsdle> :P
[09:06] <mypapit> hmm.. anybody here?
[09:06] <_crimsun> steven_: don't worry about the source.
[09:06] <dbernar1> nickrud: evolution locks up, and the hard drivge too.
[09:06] <steven_> ok
[09:06] <dbernar1> mypapit: none.
[09:06] <_crimsun> steven_: now, play a song in xmms
[09:06] <nickrud> oh.
[09:07] <thoreauputic> mypapit: you're all alone..
[09:07] <_crimsun> steven_: while that song's playing, press the Test button in the default sink
[09:07] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: no more idea on how i could fix it?
[09:08] <steven_> ok
[09:08] <steven_> everything seems to be working good
[09:08] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: all I can think of is to see if the notification is enabled in the apps you are using
[09:08] <_crimsun> steven_: both play simultaneously, correct?
[09:08] <steven_> yes
[09:08] <steven_> they do
[09:08] <vladuz976> thoreauputic: that is a very odd thing then. i will post on the forum then
[09:08] <_crimsun> steven_: excellent, problem solved. Toss esd out the window.
[09:08] <dbernar1> vladuz976: checked that the system tray plugin is working?
[09:08] <steven_> sweet
[09:08] <dbernar1> see I was gonna write that.
[09:08] <vladuz976> dbernar1: how?
[09:08] <steven_> now _crimsun will these setting save for my gnome , kubuntu , and gnome
[09:09] <nickrud> I've used evo from it's alpha versions, I'd start by moving .evolution to evolution-totally-screwed, and logging out, making sure gconfd is not running, and removing any evolution keys.
[09:09] <dbernar1> open the buddy llist, use ctrl+p as a keyboard shortcut to properties, and see in the pugin section
[09:09] <dbernar1> steven_: yes, it is set up on a level before the desktop
[09:09] <steven_> ok sounds good
[09:10] <steven_> now let me ask you guys something am i able to watch music videos lets say from launch.com using the firefox
[09:10] <_crimsun> steven_: if you run gnome again, you will have to ensure that esd isn't executed automatically.
[09:10] <Imsdle> how do i uninstall then reinstall?
[09:10] <dbernar1> steven_: how about we ask you that...
[09:10] <_crimsun> steven_: that's set in System> Preferences> Sound> uncheck the Enable sound server startup
[09:10] <steven_> ok so ill kill esdand run gstreamer properties
[09:10] <_crimsun> steven_: nope, no need to touch gstreamer-properties again
[09:10] <dbernar1> steven_: properties are good now
[09:10] <nickrud> logged out, rm -r ~/.gconf/apps/evolution
[09:11] <steven_> ok
[09:11] <dbernar1> you can euitehr killall manually, or set it up as he said
[09:11] <steven_> ok so should i change anything now
[09:11] <dbernar1> 1st option does not really make sense, tho.
[09:11] <steven_> can i go on gnome
[09:11] <steven_> and everything will be the same
[09:12] <dbernar1> go to gnome, system>prefs>sound>uncheck the enable sound server startup, and from thereon you are fine for gnome
[09:12] <vladuz976> dbernar1: how can i make sure the plugin is working?
[09:12] <othernoob> dbernar1: http://ubuntuguide.org/#speedupcddvdrom <<
[09:13] <dbernar1> vladuz976: did you see if the system tray plugin is checked in plugins?
[09:13] <dbernar1> othernoob: thanks again,
[09:13] <vladuz976> dbernar1: where do you check the plugings?
[09:14] <ksmurf> I got this error http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/309342 trying to install samba.  Is thta normal?
[09:14] <dbernar1> told you, buddy list>ctrl+p
[09:14] <othernoob> dbernar1 you're welcome
[09:15] <Imsdle> how do i install again from my local drive not from the internet!
[09:15] <Imsdle> apt-get install evolution
[09:15] <Imsdle> ??
[09:15] <Imsdle> i dont' want to redownload it
[09:15] <dbernar1> ksmurf: why backports?
[09:16] <othernoob> Imsdle: if you have a .deb then dpkg -i bla.deb
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Imsdle: it may stillbe in your apt cache - but I don't think reinstalling will fix a config problem
[09:16] <dbernar1> dpkg-reconfigure?
[09:17] <nickrud> Imsdle the quick check would be to create a new user, and see if evolution will run for that user
[09:17] <thoreauputic> Imsdle: listen to nickrud
[09:17] <mrpsycho> does anyone know if the 2.6.10-5 standard ubuntu kernels contain reiserfs support?
[09:18] <thoreauputic> mrpsycho: yes, of course
[09:18] <mrpsycho> why do I get a message that says ext3 not found on root partition when I boot?
[09:18] <dbernar1> grub?
[09:18] <othernoob> thoreauputic: but not in 686 or?
[09:19] <mrpsycho> grub seems fine, its pointed at the right partition
[09:19] <thoreauputic> othernoob: AFAIK all the kernels support reiserfs
[09:19] <babyfire> hello again
[09:19] <mrpsycho> and it still boots
[09:19] <babyfire> i have learned sooo much today
[09:19] <othernoob> mrpsycho afaik, that's just a minor bug
[09:19] <mrpsycho> oh, phew
[09:19] <thoreauputic> mrpsycho: well, if it ain't broke, don't fix it
[09:19] <mrpsycho> thx good to know
[09:19] <othernoob> mrpsycho: used to get the same message when i used reiser
[09:19] <dbernar1> mrpsycho: maybe your fstab says root is ext3? dunno.
[09:19] <babyfire> and i am still over my head in linux swamp
[09:20] <thoreauputic> babyfire: it gets easier :)
[09:20] <babyfire> i figured out my problem last tiem but i am haveing a problem whith what hte files are actually named
[09:20] <babyfire> sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[09:20] <babyfire> doesnt exist
[09:20] <babyfire> and i think i should
[09:21] <thoreauputic> !repos
[09:21] <ubotu> rumour has it, repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:21] <thoreauputic> babyfire: read that URL
[09:21] <othernoob> thoreauputic: are the 2.6.11 686 kernels stable now?
[09:21] <The_Vox> babyfire: do "sudo aptitude" and you can do searches for partial names in there using /
[09:21] <thoreauputic> othernoob: no, and never will be
[09:21] <The_Vox> babyfire: then just + g g to install.
[09:21] <othernoob> thoreauputic: why :/
[09:21] <dbernar1> even numbers are stable
[09:21] <The_Vox> babyfire: ? to get help
[09:21] <babyfire> that all makes no sense at all
[09:21] <thoreauputic> othernoob: 2.6.11 was a snapshot and isn't supported AFAIK
[09:21] <babyfire> but i have a clue
[09:22] <babyfire> thank you
[09:22] <babyfire> very much
[09:22] <cafuego> !find flashplayer
[09:22] <othernoob> dbernar1: that only goes for the second value, ie 2.*6*....
[09:22] <Madpilot> to update Opera to 8.01, I just run "dpkg -i opera.bla.deb" and it'll overwrite/preserve as needed?
[09:22] <ubotu> flashplayer-mozilla: (Macromedia Flash Player), section multiverse/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-0.0 (hoary), Packaged size: 956 kB, Installed size: 2136 kB
[09:22] <dbernar1> thoreauputic: the even numbers are stable, odd are dev, that is how that works.
[09:22] <The_Vox> babyfire: aptitude is a graphical-almost package manager for console that works pretty well
[09:22] <cafuego> babyfire: Add multiverse to yuor sources.list fine.
[09:23] <dbernar1> ah, I knew there was some thing going on with those numbers.
[09:23] <cafuego> Madpilot: it will remove files from the previous version and replace them with the 8.0.1 files
[09:23] <ksmurf> db thanks
[09:23] <thoreauputic> dbernar1: that's a change from 2.4.* then - it used to be 2.3, 2.5 were the unstable branches
[09:23] <Madpilot> cafuego: what's that going to mean to my own config/bookmark/etc files? Haven't upgraded O in Linux before...
[09:23] <dbernar1> ksmurf: that solved it? nice.
[09:23] <othernoob> thoreauputic: so, when will there be a new kernel
[09:24] <cafuego> Madpilot: They will be saved (They're in ~/.opera, which the installer won't touch)
[09:24] <thoreauputic> othernoob: for breezy - October
[09:24] <babyfire> sudo aptitude is sooooo great
[09:24] <babyfire> thank you
[09:24] <thoreauputic> othernoob: 2.6.12 I guess
[09:24] <othernoob> October is a long time
[09:24] <The_Vox> babyfire: np :)
[09:24] <dbernar1> its soon, october, thats my birth month...
[09:24] <othernoob> a looong time
[09:24] <thoreauputic> othernoob: heh - how old are you ? ;-)
[09:24] <othernoob> what am I supposed to do until then :/
[09:24] <othernoob> i'm 22
[09:24] <dbernar1> there is a new version for all my birthdays:)
[09:25] <cafuego> '/msg ubotu kernel' for kernel info :-)
[09:25] <Madpilot> cafuego: OK, thnx. Been putting off the upgrade, not smart because it's a security upgrade...
[09:26] <The_Vox> btw, being new to kde and kubuntu...is the "kalypso team" often mentioned on the kubuntu wiki still active? I've never been able to get to their website\
[09:26] <dbernar1> im off, later.
[09:26] <cafuego> Madpilot: the dpkg package format should never overwite customised config files without 1) asking and 2) making a backup.
[09:26] <othernoob> cya dbernar1
[09:27] <Madpilot> cafuego: good to know. signing off now to upgrade Opera...
[09:29] <us3rX> I have a laptop sitting here with no OS on it, but a friend told me to try ubuntu, it had windows on it, but i formated it and now its blank, i have an adapter so i can hook the laptop hdd to this computer, i am wondering how can i install ubuntu on it with out cds' cuz for some reason the cd rom on my laptop doesnt want to read the cd :( so i thought maybe i can install it from this hdd to the other... is this possible? lol
[09:30] <Hackmo> so hey all, anyone think they can help me with a problem i'm having?
[09:30] <adwait> us3rx: um....maybe ur bios isnt configured to boot of CDs  in the laptop, cuz i donno anyway to install off the HDD and the residesnt experts seem to be away :)
[09:31] <adwait> Hackmo: u gotta ask....thn we can try to answer
[09:31] <cafuego> us3rX: You could try with bootleable floppies or perhaps via the network.
[09:31] <us3rX> i changed the bios to floppy>dc>hdd and still nothing
[09:31] <cafuego> us3rX: Can other machines boot that cd?
[09:31] <us3rX> yeah
[09:31] <ksmurf> is ther a way to see shared folders?
[09:32] <us3rX> its the laptop cd rom i think
[09:32] <adwait> us3rx: can ur laptop boot of CDs in general?
[09:32] <us3rX> no
[09:32] <adwait> aah
[09:32] <us3rX> yeah its gay
[09:32] <us3rX> :(
[09:32] <us3rX> lol
[09:32] <Hackmo> adwait: I'm having problems with my webcam, it's the only phillips cam that should work out of the box with Ubuntu...but it doesn't
[09:32] <cafuego> us3rX: Easiest is probably boot floppies (you'll need 4)
[09:33] <cafuego> us3rX: if not, network boot
[09:33] <comadreja> what are the packages needed to build kernel modules
[09:33] <us3rX> cafuego: where can i get these floopys?
[09:33] <adwait> comadreja: make-kpkg i think
[09:33] <cafuego> us3rX: Just a moment, please
[09:34] <us3rX> aight
[09:34] <thoreauputic> comadreja: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential
[09:34] <tvo> Hackmo: which type? I've got a 820k iirc, had to install drivers myself but it works
[09:35] <Hackmo> tvo: it's a phillips toucam pro 2, my computer is picking it up fine it but I keep getting the error that it is already in use when I try to use it
[09:35] <cafuego> us3rX: Hmm, ubuntu appears not to have them. The debian ones *should* work though
[09:35] <comadreja> does anyone knows what is needed to build kismet on breezy ?
[09:36] <us3rX> aight, ill try those. ty
[09:36] <cafuego> us3rX: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/
[09:37] <cafuego> us3rX: You can always do a base sarge install, then dist-upgrade to hoary after editing sources.list
[09:37] <MidNightRaVeN> ?
[09:37] <MidNightRaVeN> lol i'm such a newb
[09:37] <us3rX> cafuego: ty
[09:37] <MidNightRaVeN> is anyone in here?
[09:37] <Madpilot> OK, that worked. now running Opera 8.01. cool.
[09:37] <MidNightRaVeN> wow!
[09:37] <MidNightRaVeN> =D
[09:38] <Madpilot> MidNightRaVeN: only 452 of us... :)
[09:38] <thoreauputic> cafuego: so there are no conflicts with base sarge and hoary? Good to know if so...
[09:38] <MidNightRaVeN> lol
[09:38] <MidNightRaVeN> first time using Ubuntu AND Irc
[09:38] <MidNightRaVeN> <--- total newb ;-)
[09:39] <nickrud_> MidNightRaVeN then, you are totally welcome :)
[09:39] <adwait> MidNightRaVeN: welcome to being an ubuntueit/ubunteit/ubuntie/ubunter
[09:39] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: you're all alone... no one is listening... no one cares .. </lame joke>
[09:39] <us3rX> lol
[09:39] <adwait> heh
[09:39] <MidNightRaVeN> lol that makes me feel really good
[09:39] <nickrud_> we need to assign greeter duties ;)
[09:39] <Madpilot> ... but not to thoreauputic, it seems.
[09:40] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: and any questions you may have will be unmercifully flamed *grin*
[09:40] <MidNightRaVeN> seriously... ;-)
[09:40] <cafuego> thoreauputic: I didn't have any issues going from Sid to Hoary; just needed to do X by hand.
[09:40] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: PR was never my strong point... ;-)
[09:41] <Madpilot> the only questions that get flamed are the ones that're asked five or six times, quickly, via cut'n'paste...
[09:41] <nickrud_> dry humor lingers .....
[09:41] <thoreauputic> cafuego: OK - thanks
[09:41] <adwait> like this?
[09:41] <adwait> like this?
[09:41] <adwait> like this?
[09:41] <adwait> like this?
[09:41] <adwait> like this?
[09:41] <adwait> :p
[09:41] <nickrud_> MidNightRaVeN so, you have any issues that you need help with?
[09:42] <Ghetek> when is the new gmail gonna be in repos
[09:42] <Ghetek> ?
[09:42] <MidNightRaVeN> so.... i feel so dumb asking questions... and lol thoreaputic isn't helping any ;-) jk. But... I just installed Ubuntu (loving it by the way already) on my primary drive and I want to add my XP (which is on a second drive) so that GRUB will boot it secondary... but I have no clue how...
[09:42] <Ghetek> i mean gaim
[09:42] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: compassion fatigue - it's a terrible affliction - be sorry for me please ;')
[09:43] <adwait> hehe
[09:43] <action09_> hi all
[09:43] <adwait> hell action09_
[09:43] <adwait> *hello
[09:43] <action09_> :)
[09:43] <MidNightRaVeN> lol where does this lack of compassion steam from =D ?
[09:43] <MidNightRaVeN> too many newbs ;-) ?
[09:43] <Ghetek> gaim? new version?
[09:43] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: :)
[09:43] <cafuego> MidNightRaVeN: Didn't the installer auomatically add WinXP to the boot menu?
[09:43] <tvo> Hackmo: I doubt I can help you then. Could try to remove/replugin cam, I've no clue otherwise
[09:43] <adwait> who dont RTFM ;)
[09:44] <action09_> Someone using  freenx on Hoary ?
[09:44] <action09_> please
[09:44] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: actually I'm a softy, you'll see...
[09:44] <MidNightRaVeN> no... i was having problems installing the grub with XP as my Slave so I just took it off, installed Ubuntu and heard that I could just add XP later
[09:44] <pvh> My azureus won't start -- couldn't see anything in google searches or on the Azureus page. Anyone familiar with the problem?
[09:44] <nickrud_> lol, just, swap a few vowels, and you have it
[09:45] <othernoob> pvh, did you install java? ;)
[09:45] <cafuego> MidNightRaVeN: *nod* Check /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/menu.lst - that has an example entry in it. Just check that the disk entry (hd0,1 or something) is updated for your machine.
[09:45] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: you might have to remap your drives in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:45] <cafuego> MidNightRaVeN: Note that windows may not work if it's on the slave drive.
[09:46] <MidNightRaVeN> kk... gonna check lol may take a bit cuz lol I have no idea how to navigate fully yet
[09:46] <thoreauputic> right
[09:46] <cafuego> s/may/will/
[09:46] <MidNightRaVeN> i was reading and can't you trick it to though?
[09:46] <MidNightRaVeN> like think that it's a master?
[09:46] <Hackmo> tvo: already tried that but thanks anyway
[09:46] <parabolize> I am having truble getting a iriver ifp-890 working. When I type dmesg I get this:
[09:46] <parabolize> device descriptor read/64, error -71
[09:46] <cafuego> MidNightRaVeN: it insists on having 8MB FAT32 on the master as a mimimum
[09:46] <MidNightRaVeN> blegh.... that's going to make things SOOO complicated...
[09:46] <cafuego> MidNightRaVeN: I'm not certain, but I would guess winxp is too dumb to be tricked that way <heh>
[09:47] <cafuego> MidNightRaVeN: You can always make XP the master and flip Linux to the slave; it doesn't care,
[09:47] <MidNightRaVeN> yea... but it feels... soo... disrespectful...
[09:47] <MidNightRaVeN> lol
[09:47] <adwait> hehe
[09:47] <MidNightRaVeN> XP should be the slave ;-)
[09:47] <Madpilot> :)
[09:48] <nickrud_> linux is master, whatever XP thinks :)
[09:48] <othernoob> if you dislike xp that much, why even use it?
[09:48] <MidNightRaVeN> cuz i'm a gamer
[09:48] <othernoob> and?
[09:48] <MidNightRaVeN> can you game that much on linux?
[09:48] <MidNightRaVeN> didn't think you could...
[09:48] <adwait> MidNightRaVeN: some windows games work with wine
[09:48] <nickrud_> MidNightRaVeN some, and well, but... you can't fight city hall
[09:49] <MidNightRaVeN> yea... so I figure that I'll just keep XP for gaming and Linux for ALL else
[09:49] <adwait> salut kilikili
[09:49] <Madpilot> Ubuntu has Minesweeper and Tetris. what more does a person need? ;)
[09:49] <othernoob> MidNightRaVeN: don't you think you'll get annoyed ..i mean..rebooting all the time...
[09:49] <othernoob> Madpilot: strip poker :D
[09:50] <nickrud_> frozen bubble, mmmm...
[09:50] <soccerfiend> does anyone know of an update udev .deb?
[09:50] <soccerfiend> ie 3rd party
[09:50] <nickrud_> soccerfiend there is no reason to update udev
[09:51] <soccerfiend> kernel 2.6.12
[09:51] <soccerfiend> breaks udev
[09:51] <nickrud_> oh, breezy, I'll wait for 37 more days
[09:52] <soccerfiend> is it that soon?
[09:52] <Nermal> I thought it was november
[09:52] <MidNightRaVeN> well... yea lol sometimes, but I still love to game and I figure that if I keep it this way, I'll be able to play and have an actual stable system
[09:52] <cafuego> soccerfiend: Any reason you can't use the normal udev deb with 2.6.12?
[09:52] <soccerfiend> it breaks my udev rules
[09:52] <soccerfiend> http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/6/20/417
[09:52] <nickrud_> no, that's less than 2 months before release, about that time I figure the dev's will go into bug fix mode, not feature mode
[09:52] <cafuego> Whatcha doing with weird-ass rules then :-P
[09:53] <soccerfiend> usb hard drives keys etc
[09:53] <othernoob> MidNightRaVeN: you could give wine and cedega a try.. or if you must, vmware with xp.
[09:53] <soccerfiend> nothing life threatening
[09:53] <soccerfiend> just annoying as hell
[09:53] <MidNightRaVeN> those are all virtual systems of XP right?
[09:54] <othernoob> not quite, but you could say so.
[09:54] <soccerfiend> I have a temp fix by forcing a debian based deb install (the evil dpkg --force- commands)
[09:54] <pvh> othernoob: I should say: "Azureus stopped working."
[09:54] <cafuego> soccerfiend: Just fetch the udev source deb and the new udev source, replace sources, exit Changelog, build customised .deb
[09:54] <pvh> othernoob: It used to start.
[09:54] <MidNightRaVeN> well... for right now i'm a little fresh to linux... so I kinda want to get a good feel before I delve to deeply
[09:54] <cafuego> !info udev breezy
[09:55] <ubotu> udev: (/dev/ management daemon), section admin, is important. Version: 0.056-2ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 231 kB, Installed size: 688 kB
[09:55] <soccerfiend> was lazy, looking for an easy dpkg -i :)
[09:55] <cafuego> !info udev hoary
[09:55] <ubotu> udev: (/dev/ management daemon), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.050-3ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 232 kB, Installed size: 696 kB
[09:55] <othernoob> MidNightRaVeN: yea i understand that. but everyone i know, who's a gamer and dualbooted, stayed in XP for casual stuff after playing a game..
[09:55] <nickrud_> MidNightRaVeN then, for the next few minutes, ignore this channel :)
[09:55] <cafuego> soccerfiend: Yeah, compile your own deb using the udev tarball, I reckon.
[09:56] <othernoob> pvh and then? what happened then?
[09:56] <othernoob> pvh do you use the safepeer plugin?
[09:56] <pvh> othernoob: I'm not sure -- I suspect it was a java update that broke it. I didn't notice right away at any rate.
[09:56] <pvh> othernoob: Yes, but I don't even get the splash.
[09:56] <tiglionabbit> hey, I just noticed wolfenstein is listed as free on the games forum sticky.  Where can I get it?
[09:56] <pvh> othernoob: And 2.2/2.3 both don't work, even when I move my old .Azureus out of the way.
[09:57] <us3rX> cafuego: those floppys didnt work, it trys to make me download a "debain iso" or whatnot from the ftp.us.debian.org lol
[09:57] <cafuego> us3rX: damn
[09:57] <othernoob> pvh tried to uninstall the old crap?
[09:57] <babyfire> you guys rock
[09:57] <cafuego> us3rX: get the 100Mb netinst iso from debian.org; install with that; then upgrade to Ubuntu
[09:57] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: the ooooooold wolfenstein 3d?
[09:58] <shinu> do the packages installed by apt-get get stored somewhere on disk before installation? do they get deleted after installation?
[09:58] <pvh> othernoob: How do you mean?
[09:58] <babyfire> problem done
[09:58] <thoreauputic> shinu: /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:58] <thoreauputic> IIRC
[09:58] <othernoob> pvh i meant, did you try to uninstall azureus and install the latest?
[09:59] <tiglionabbit> othernoob: um, yeah
[09:59] <shinu> thoreauputic: ok thanks a lot
[09:59] <tiglionabbit> er, wolfenstein enemy territory
[09:59] <tiglionabbit> not sure which, I don't really know what the game's about.  Just thought, since it says it's open source, I'd download it
[09:59] <tiglionabbit> o I think I can get it from this site if I "register".
[09:59] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: mmh, if you find out where one can get it, please let me know
[10:00] <tiglionabbit> I'm going to download it from here
[10:00] <tiglionabbit> http://enemy-territory.4players.de:1041/
[10:01] <othernoob> nice, thanks
[10:02] <Proteque> what is the name of the binary of pearpc?
[10:02] <cafuego> Proteque: Don't even bother, it's not useable.
[10:02] <Nermal> I found it useable
[10:02] <cafuego> Nermal: Running what, OSX?
[10:02] <Nermal> yes
[10:02] <Proteque> okay. but what is the binary named?
[10:02] <Nermal> Proteque, read the manual
[10:03] <cafuego> Nermal: What did you run it on?
[10:03] <Nermal> athlon 2400+ 512 mb ram
[10:03] <cafuego> Nermal: It was frighteningly slow on my AMD64/2800+ with 1.5GB ram
[10:03] <cafuego> Nermal: Took it *6 hours* to boot up.
[10:03] <Nermal> lol
[10:03] <Nermal> took it around a minute on mine
[10:03] <Proteque> Nermal: the manual does not say what the binary is called. if it is named pearpc it is not in path here
[10:04] <cafuego> Proteque: 'ppc'
[10:04] <Nermal> you didn't think after 3 hours that something might be wrong
[10:04] <Nermal> Proteque, have you configured pearpc ?
[10:04] <Nermal> it's not called pearpc iirc
[10:04] <cafuego> Nermal: No, i was just assuming it sucked even harder than windows ;-)
[10:04] <Proteque> cafuego: thank you
[10:04] <cafuego> Proteque: dpkg -L pearpc | grep bin
[10:04] <soccerfiend> 40 times slowdow
[10:05] <soccerfiend> it is currrently brutal
[10:05] <Nermal> Proteque, 	$ src/ppc CONFIGFILENAME
[10:05] <Nermal> well fuck me sideways - right there on the website
[10:05] <Nermal> *rolls eyes*
[10:05] <othernoob> has anyone here ever played Dune 2000?
[10:05] <cafuego> Nermal: Um, the Ubuntu package doesn't contain 'src/ppc'
[10:06] <Nermal> well.. thats about 10 minutes of noobness
[10:06] <Nermal> that's my fix of retards for today
[10:06] <Proteque> ehm...
[10:06] <nickrud_> Nermal then, why are you here?
[10:06] <cafuego> better get rid of that mirror then
[10:06] <nickrud_> or not
[10:06] <Proteque> what a nice guy...
[10:07] <cafuego> he's on #gentoo*, so a tard by definition.
[10:07] <nickrud_> heh, can't comment on that
[10:07] <Ghetek> what is "cron" and how do i add a "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" to it?
[10:07] <shinu> is ubuntuguide.org down?
[10:07] <tiglionabbit> cron?
[10:08] <othernoob> shinu no
[10:08] <tiglionabbit> shinu: does it matter?
[10:08] <nickrud_> Ghetek cron is a means of running a command at a specific time
[10:08] <tiglionabbit> we have a wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:08] <shinu> tiglionabbit: yes?...
[10:08] <tiglionabbit> why?
[10:08] <shinu> othernoob: cant open it here... thanks anyways
[10:08] <cafuego> Ghetek: Adding 'sudo apt-get upgrade' to cron is *not* a clever idea.
[10:08] <tiglionabbit> shinu: why, what do you need?
[10:08] <Ghetek> cafuego: why?
[10:09] <shinu> tiglionabbit: just some small bits of it. :D
[10:09] <cafuego> Ghetek: What if an update messes up a config file?
[10:09] <nickrud_> Ghetek I'd personally change the upgrade to apt-get upgrade -d
[10:09] <Ghetek> I've never used -d
[10:09] <tiglionabbit> shinu: there is generally better information on the wiki.  I suggest you search it
[10:09] <shinu> tiglionabbit: i cant open wiki either :D
[10:09] <cafuego> Ghetek: You can do the update via cron, but please do a manual upgrade.
[10:09] <tiglionabbit> shinu: then it's an internet problem =\
[10:09] <nickrud_> Ghetek that will download the files.
[10:09] <Ghetek> ah ok
[10:09] <cafuego> Ghetek: Just make a script and dump it in /etc/cron.daily. No sudo needed, it runs as root.
[10:09] <shinu> tiglionabbit: seems so... cant ping anything
[10:10] <shinu> but irc works fine :D
[10:10] <tiglionabbit> shinu: how are you talking to us now?
[10:10] <Ghetek> cron.daily is a folder?
[10:10] <nickrud_> Ghetek *always* personally monitor changes to your system, unless you are running a farm, then, do whatever you feel :)
[10:11] <cafuego> Ghetek: yes
[10:11] <shinu> tiglionabbit: er... normally? seems that something wrong with the pages... but irc seems fine
[10:11] <tiglionabbit> that's odd shinu...
[10:11] <shinu> :)
[10:12] <shinu> hm...
[10:12] <shinu> i just tried to install a modem that i dont have on my comp...
[10:12] <shinu> so maybe thats why
[10:14] <parabolize> does anyone have a iriver ifp-890 working in ubuntu? I updated the firmware with a xp box but that didn't help. I just tested the usb port with my mouse and it works.
[10:15] <jasmuz> parabolize: can you mount it?
[10:16] <parabolize> no
[10:16] <parabolize> I get this when I type dmesg: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[10:17] <jasmuz> umm :/
[10:17] <parabolize> the ifp works in windows
[10:18] <shinu> how do i restart my services?
[10:18] <shinu> like in fedora it would be: services restart network or something
[10:19] <RichardC> i just tried (like 5 or so times) to install mplayer-386
[10:19] <nickrud_> shinu invoke-rc.d <service> start|stop|etc
[10:19] <jasmuz> parabolize: until you can find a way to solve it. dual boot
[10:20] <shinu> wow
[10:20] <shinu> thanks nickrud_
[10:21] <nickrud_> I have a few dribbles to share; you are welcome :)
[10:21] <BeatYou> is where a command to see all insalled packages? i'm trying to slim down my used space
[10:21] <BeatYou> considering im jus tusing ubuntu as a server
[10:22] <thoreauputic> BeatYou: dpkg -l | less
[10:23] <tiglionabbit> wow, neverball is fun
[10:23] <tiglionabbit> I wish I had a real graphics chipset
[10:23] <BeatYou> thoreauputic thanks - and i like the Henrey Thoreau nick reference
[10:23] <nickrud_> tiglionabbit what do you use, I have a 1999 voodoo 3 :)
[10:23] <thoreauputic> BeatYou: :)
[10:23] <tiglionabbit> nickrud_: well, it's a laptop with "Intel Extreme Crappiness 2"
[10:24] <nickrud_> lol, then, it's probably newer :)
[10:24] <RichardC> anyways
[10:24] <RichardC> i tryed to get mplayer
[10:24] <RichardC> apt-get install mplayer
[10:24] <tiglionabbit> no no, see, this is an onboard chipset with absolutely nothing devoted to rendering anything 3D
[10:24] <tiglionabbit> the processor handles it
[10:24] <RichardC> but it says there was and md5sum mismatch
[10:25] <tiglionabbit> so anything 3D sucks on this machine, or simply doesn't work
[10:25] <RichardC> ive tried and apt-get update, then apg-get install mplayer (again
[10:25] <RichardC> )
[10:25] <RichardC> and apt-get install mplayer --fix-missing
[10:25] <RichardC> it doesnt work
[10:25] <RichardC> same problem
[10:25] <nickrud_> RichardC are you using the us.archives ?
[10:25] <RichardC> eys
[10:25] <tiglionabbit> thoreauputic: well, I wanted a tablet PC, and they didn't sell any with real graphics cards at the time.  I'm looking at Toshibas now
[10:25] <RichardC> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main libgii0 1:0.8.5-2 [126kB] 
[10:25] <RichardC> Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main libggi2 1:2.0.5-1ubuntu1 [193kB] 
[10:25] <RichardC> Fetched 319kB in 1m40s (3163B/s)
[10:25] <RichardC> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libg/libgii/libgii0_0.8.5-2_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[10:25] <RichardC> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libg/libggi/libggi2_2.0.5-1ubuntu1_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[10:26] <nickrud_> why does use always go fubar, it's nationally embaressing
[10:26] <nickrud_> RichardC if you have broadband, just remove us. from everything; if dialup, use uk. or ca. and leach from friends.
[10:27] <RichardC> ok
[10:27] <othernoob> nickrud_: does that mean others arent friends?
[10:28] <nickrud_> no, just, they're the ones that most often forgive our trespasses
[10:29] <RichardC> nickrud_: why uk instead of us?
[10:30] <thoreauputic> RichardC: the us server has had issues it seems
[10:30] <johntramp> hi I have a pc with ubuntu and no internet access.  Every time it turns on it waits ~30 seconds trying to update ntpclient,  How can I remove this from the startup?
[10:30] <nickrud_> RichardC cuz us.archive has a problem, I recommend uk based on other peoples's experiences
[10:30] <shinu> is the 'networking' service responsible for my ethernet interface?
[10:31] <soccerfiend> update-rc.d ntpdate remove
[10:31] <johntramp> soccerfiend, thanks
[10:31] <thoreauputic> johntramp: sudo update-rc.d ntpdate -f remove from memory - but c=heck the man page
[10:34] <cyberix> Does ubuntu have a package to setup 6to4 without having to configure it manually?
[10:35] <acid2> " Extras/MonoQuery/Makefile.am:76: warning: automake does not support conditional definition of SQLITE_FILES in EXTRA_DIST" Does anyone know what I can do about that?
[10:36] <IceDC571> if i change my motherboard and cpu, would i have to reinstall the linux kernel?
[10:36] <soccerfiend> oh ya, update-rc.d must be done as root
[10:36] <soccerfiend> change to an i386 kernel first
[10:36] <nickrud_> IceDC571 as long as you have a i386 kernel, you're ok
[10:36] <ubuntu_new> hi
[10:37] <soccerfiend> then swap out the MB/CPU
[10:37] <soccerfiend> then install one that matches new proc
[10:37] <soccerfiend> I just did this on a box at home a week ago
[10:37] <lamer1> I have an LSI MegaRaid Controller on my just installed Ubuntu system. I'm getting the following error SCSI error : <0 0 0 0> return code = 0x40001 and my file system is on read-only state. Any hint ?
[10:37] <soccerfiend> went from an AMD 1000 to a dual PIII 1000
[10:37] <ubuntu_new> I am using live CD, how can I use Kdevelop ?
[10:37] <ubuntu_new> why are there no significant programs with the liveCD ?
[10:38] <Spooks> Hey guys. I want to uninstall Ubuntu from this HD & install it on a different one. Any special steps I need to take?
[10:38] <HrdwrBoB> Spooks: remove HD, plug into other machine
[10:38] <HrdwrBoB> boot
[10:38] <nickrud_> ubuntu_new what do you mean, 'no significant programs'?
[10:38] <ubuntu_new> nickrud_,  no developers program
[10:38] <ubuntu_new> no IDE
[10:38] <thoreauputic> ubuntu_new: umm - desktop oriented ? And define "significant"
[10:38] <Spooks> ?
[10:38] <nickrud_> ubuntu_new this is a user's system, but it's all available
[10:39] <Spooks> I can just whack in a windows CD then & it will format it for me?
[10:39] <nickrud_> I mean, how would this thing get made without devel's tools :)
[10:39] <ubuntu_new> nickrud_,  I meant its not provided with the liveCD, so what takes up its space?
[10:39] <thoreauputic> ubuntu_new: if you want development tools, a knoppix CD or similar is a better choice I guess
[10:39] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu_new: lots of things
[10:40] <ubuntu_new> thoreauputic,  In my opinion knoppix has many more useful tools than the current version of ubuntu does
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> ubuntu_new: it is very easy to install new software over apt once you have a base install going
[10:40] <ubuntu_new> can't do much with the live cd then?
[10:40] <nickrud_> well, I do keep a knoppix disk around for emergencies, but that's inertia
[10:40] <thoreauputic> ubuntu_new: so use knoppix - ubuntu is aimed at a different user than you, clearly
[10:41] <ubuntu_new> thanks
[10:41] <tiglionabbit> ubuntu_new: ubuntu is a desktop distro.  It has media players, internets, chat, and drawing stuff by default.  If you want more, install it
[10:41] <Spooks> ..
[10:41] <acid2> too late..
[10:42] <tiglionabbit> o well
[10:42] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: he already had made up his mind, methinks
[10:42] <nickrud_> heh, got drug in again
[10:42] <tiglionabbit> useful tools... wonder what he meant?
[10:42] <Spooks> kzm, nevermind. I'll try myself.
[10:42] <acid2> stuff he can be 1337 with?
[10:42] <nickrud_> gcc, that stuff,
[10:42] <tiglionabbit> ubuntu live cd wouldn't have kdevelop anyway, it's gnome-based
[10:43] <tiglionabbit> even if it did have compilers
[10:43] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: he wanted kdevelop IDE - on a gnome based disc: he didn't do his homework i guess
[10:43] <nickrud_> so, l337 is kdevelop these days :)
[10:43] <tiglionabbit> lol
[10:44] <ubuntu_new> zomg ubuntu has gnome stuff so it's not as good as knoppix cuz I wanted KDE
[10:44] <nickrud_> heck, I remember when poking into memory above basic was elite :)
[10:45] <tiglionabbit> nickrud_: I have heard people brag about how awesome windows is, after hex-editing it to change the window manager...
[10:45] <othernoob> heh.. i never understood why people love knoppix..
[10:45] <nickrud_> windows, I'm talking about Z80's with 4k memory ;P
[10:46] <shawnh> hey baby
[10:46] <IceDC571> whats a good overclocking amd cpu and mobo?
[10:46] <tiglionabbit> I burned a knoppix CD for this guy once, to help him save his PC.  It was an old PC.  When we booted it, I was immediately very pissed off to see the bouncing icons and all manner of crap to eat up his tiny amount of memory and crash the poor machine.
[10:46] <Triffid_Hunter> IceDC571: my epox 8rda is awesome.. kinda dated though, it takes up to a 3200+ socket A
[10:46] <tiglionabbit> I thought Knoppix was used for repairs.  Why would they do that to it?
[10:46] <nickrud_> othernoob I have rescued my system more than once with knoppix, klaus is a genius
[10:47] <othernoob> well, then you should have used DSL tiglionabbit
[10:47] <IceDC571> tiglionabbit: thats kde for ya
[10:47] <thoreauputic> nickrud_: Z80 ? When i were lad, we had an abacus if we were *lucky* ! Z80? ha!
[10:47] <othernoob> nickrud_ have you tried kanotix yet?
[10:47] <Triffid_Hunter> ugh dsl.. that doesn't work on old/small systems either
[10:47] <nickrud_> othernoob no, I'm pre abacus, I am truly hard to move from what I know :)
[10:47] <IceDC571> Triffid_Hunter: are they still selling overclockable AMD cpus?
[10:47] <othernoob> nickrud_ lol :)
[10:48] <tiglionabbit> it made me want to use a version of knoppix that had ONLY the commandline or something.  That would feel better
[10:48] <Triffid_Hunter> IceDC571: nfi.. my board has let me change all my settings.. dunno if its good board or unlocked chip tho
[10:49] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: there was a guy called tech2k on #knoppix a couple of years ago who was making a CLI only knoppix - but he disappeared mysteriously
[10:49] <tiglionabbit> hmm.  Have you ever heard a person on a deb distro say they're "Too lazy to install that right now"?
[10:50] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: not as such: but I've often heard "I'm too lazy to read the apt-howto"
[10:50] <tiglionabbit> whenever I hear that from a debian or windows user, I wonder how red hat or gentoo people can survive
[10:50] <jono> I added a respository to sources.list - is there a way of removing all packages and dependent software from that repo?
[10:50] <nickrud_> tiglionabbit I keep a very old lnx-bbc boot disk, just for old stuff, because I'm to lazy to install :)
[10:50] <BeatYou> do you guys suggest ReiserFS or ext3 ?
[10:51] <BeatYou> i formatted with Reiser
[10:51] <tiglionabbit> hmm, I wish I knew the answer to jono's question
[10:51] <jono> tiglionabbit, same here :P
[10:51] <thoreauputic> jono: apt-cache policy combined with deborphan I guess
[10:51] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: I would suggest ext3 only because I have heard nasty rumors about reiserfs
[10:51] <othernoob> ext3 BeatYou
[10:51] <othernoob> tiglionabbit:  like what?
[10:51] <jono> thoreauputic, any idea how I can do it?
[10:51] <tiglionabbit> othernoob: like that it blows up in your face eventually
[10:51] <Triffid_Hunter> tiglionabbit: emerge -avt program; get a coffee ;)
[10:51] <tiglionabbit> if you "do something ignorant"
[10:51] <nikkia> BeatYou: ext3 for the simple reason that it is backwards and forwards compatible
[10:51] <nickrud_> jono I'd comment out the repository, aptitude update, then run aptitude, and look under obsolete and local packages, they'll all be there
[10:52] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: well, most things blow up if you do something stupid ;)
[10:52] <Triffid_Hunter> reiser3.6 works just fine here
[10:52] <nikkia> BeatYou: if you really need to read the disk on a kernel without ext3 support (yeah, right, those still exist...) then ext2 will read it just fine :)
[10:52] <thoreauputic> jono: I never needed to - but I guess deborphan would help
[10:52] <BeatYou> tiglionabbit: example? everyone ive talked to says ResierFS
[10:52] <tiglionabbit> othernoob: well, I really know nothing about reiserfs, but I know ext3 works fine...
[10:53] <nickrud_> heh, I've needed to, bad update from experimental in debian. What I said works.
[10:53] <othernoob> BeatYou if you don't take good care of ReiserFS the speed advantage you once had will backfire drastically.
[10:53] <Triffid_Hunter> othernoob: i have a desktop and a server running reiserfs, neither have had any problems whatsoever
[10:53] <jono> nickrud_, so how do I remove the package and its dependencies from that server?
[10:54] <BeatYou> othernoob: how do i maintain it then
[10:54] <IceDC571> wow.. so xfce really is fast
[10:54] <othernoob> Triffid_Hunter: I didn't say ReiserFS was bad ;)
[10:54] <IceDC571> i love reiserfs! :)
[10:54] <nickrud_> jono first, comment out the repository in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:54] <othernoob> BeatYou ask Triffid, he seems to know it very well :)
[10:54] <nickrud_> jono, then, aptitude update
[10:55] <BeatYou> Triffid?
[10:55] <nickrud_> jono, next, simply run aptitude
[10:55] <Triffid_Hunter> *shrug* it Just Works for me
[10:55] <IceDC571> i love aptitude :)
[10:56] <jono> how can I find which repo a particular package is in?
[10:56] <nickrud_> then, look for 'obsolete and local packages', and this is where it can get hard, depending on what you've installed from the repo you want to clear:
[10:56] <thoreauputic> jono: apt-cache policy <package>
[10:56] <tiglionabbit> !info w32codecs
[10:56] <FLD> hey if i do vncserver :0   can i use that desktop somehow?
[10:56] <tiglionabbit> !info xine
[10:56] <tiglionabbit> dah, what's one that exists
[10:57] <tiglionabbit> !info neverball
[10:57] <ubotu> neverball: (3D arcade games: neverball & neverputt), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 1.4.0-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 176 kB, Installed size: 468 kB
[10:57] <tiglionabbit> there we go.  Anyway, that's how you tell
[10:57] <tiglionabbit> =P
[10:57] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: xine-ui
[10:57] <tiglionabbit> !info gxine
[10:57] <nickrud_> jono if you're lucky, you've only added new packages, not replaced old ones.
[10:57] <ubotu> gxine: (the xine video player, GTK+/Gnome user interface), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.4.1-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 240 kB, Installed size: 624 kB
[10:57] <thoreauputic> !info xine-ui
[10:57] <ubotu> xine-ui: (the xine video player, user interface), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.99.3-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1669 kB, Installed size: 3364 kB
[10:57] <jono> I am having a problem installing transcode from marillat
[10:57] <tiglionabbit> xine-ui is all bad-ass dysfunctional looking
[10:57] <tiglionabbit> with a whole lot of buttons that don't work
[10:58] <nikkia> jono, the one in backports works better, IME
[10:58] <thoreauputic> jono: marillat is out of sync with hoary - use backports
[10:58] <nikkia> jono, the transcode in marrilat is regularly broken, even on a pure debian system
[10:58] <othernoob> Triffid_Hunter: do you use reiser4?
[10:58] <nickrud_> jono the recieved wisdom is to use backports, but a better solution is to compile that one yourself.
[10:59] <nikkia> nickrud_: have you ever tried compiling transcode yourself ?? :)
[10:59] <nickrud_> lol
[10:59] <nikkia> transcode is probably the hardest thing in linux-land to compile 'right'
[10:59] <nickrud_> nikkia I actually have done, but I doubt I will try again
[10:59] <nikkia> it has a trillion depends, almost all of which are 'exact version' depends
[10:59] <shinu> oh my god
[11:00] <shinu> i did something seriously wrong with my ubuntu
[11:00] <shinu> after restart even irc didnt want to work...
[11:00] <tiglionabbit> shinu: oh no, what did you do?
[11:00] <MidNightRaVeN> i have a quick question if anyone has a sec =)
[11:00] <shinu> tiglionabbit: id better tell the whole story :D
[11:01] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: go ahead, ask before shinu launches into a tale
[11:01] <MidNightRaVeN> lol kk
[11:01] <shinu> tiglionabbit: firstly i thought id install the usb eagle modem (cause i have one back home where i am about to go)
[11:01] <shinu> hehe
[11:01] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: just ask :) Someone might know, you never know your luck ;)
[11:01] <MidNightRaVeN> i'm thinking of downloading some free-ware from freshmeat.net... how do I know what will work with Ubuntu?
[11:01] <MidNightRaVeN> it's a newb question lol
[11:01] <nikkia> MidNightRaVeN: look at its list of dependancies, check the repositories for -dev versions of those
[11:02] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: you don't normally need or want to do that - use synaptic
[11:02] <nickrud_> MidNightRaVeN figure out what you want from freshmeat, then go to packages.ubuntu.com and see if it's available using apt get
[11:02] <nikkia> MidNightRaVeN: but first, you're best checking if the app/package in question is *in* the repositories already
[11:02] <shinu> tiglionabbit: but after installation i noticed i cant open webpages nor ping anything
[11:02] <MidNightRaVeN> what's the easiest way to do that?
[11:02] <thoreauputic> most things are already available
[11:02] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: have you used synaptic, or any method of using apt yet?
[11:02] <MidNightRaVeN> no...
[11:02] <MidNightRaVeN> -(
[11:02] <shinu> tiglionabbit: so i uninstall what i installed and restarted...
[11:02] <MidNightRaVeN> =(*
[11:02] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: apt-cache search <keyword>
[11:03] <shinu> tiglionabbit: but it still didnt work xD
[11:03] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: I suggest you run it, it's in system -> admin -> synaptic.  It makes installing things a breeze
[11:03] <shinu> (not very detailed...)
[11:03] <nickrud_> MidNightRaVeN http://packages.ubuntu.com has an excellent web search for programs in ubuntu
[11:03] <tiglionabbit> !synaptic
[11:03] <ubotu> it has been said that synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[11:03] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[11:03] <ubotu> I heard repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:03] <tiglionabbit> bookmark those wiki entries
[11:04] <tiglionabbit> shinu: hehe, I don't know what you can do
[11:04] <MidNightRaVeN> thx =) gonna try right now and see if I can find it
[11:04] <tiglionabbit> what are you looking for?
[11:04] <cafuego> !wiki AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:04] <MidNightRaVeN> a good media player
[11:04] <shinu> oh my god... this is just so bad...
[11:04] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: you don't usually need to download stuff a la Winblows
[11:04] <nickrud_> lets see, me, thoreauputic (apt-cache search) and tiglionabbit (synaptic) have good pointers, MidNightRaVeN
[11:04] <MidNightRaVeN> lol i see... i kinda thought it was the only way =X
[11:04] <FLD> how do i set xdm to open fluxbox session?
[11:05] <steven_> hey hyows it going guys
[11:05] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: Ubuntu saves you the trouble of searching the web for apps
[11:05] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: well, you've got totem already.  Using synapting you can find vlc, mplayer, gxine, and several other things too
[11:05] <MidNightRaVeN> so anyone have a recomendation for a good media player they like??
[11:05] <tiglionabbit> with the right repositories enabled
[11:06] <MidNightRaVeN> like one that works well and does lots of formats?
[11:06] <steven_> ubuntu is thebest
[11:06] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: I like totem, vlc, and mplayer.  But I had to install some things to make them work the way I want.  I also like beep-media-player
[11:06] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: you just need to install codecs
[11:06] <steven_> I cant believe i had redhat before ubuntu
[11:06] <tiglionabbit> !restricted
[11:06] <ubotu> restricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:06] <steven_> REDHAT SUCKS
[11:06] <nickrud_> rhythmbox for a lot of music muine for a lovely interface for music; mplayer and xine for video
[11:06] <tiglionabbit> yes it does steven
[11:06] <shinu> is there no such thing as restore settings? 8)
[11:06] <MidNightRaVeN> lol i agree...
[11:06] <steven_> wowi  had redhat before
[11:06] <MidNightRaVeN> i almost killed my machine trying to get redhat to work...
[11:07] <steven_> windows blows
[11:07] <steven_> linux never gets any spy ware
[11:07] <steven_> but with windows
[11:07] <steven_> you go to any site
[11:07] <steven_> and you get infested
[11:07] <MidNightRaVeN> anyway... so i can use a DivX codec from DivX and it will install the same as in like windows?
[11:07] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: ubuntu is good in a vary similar way that red hat is bad-- installing software
[11:07] <tiglionabbit> *very
[11:07] <steven_> what is the best graphical desktop gui thats out there?
[11:07] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: read the restricted formats wiki
[11:07] <Poromies> MidNightRaVeN: you can get all codecs you need with apt-get
[11:07] <steven_> i find xfce pretty good anything better then that
[11:07] <thoreauputic> !restricted
[11:07] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:07] <cafuego> steven_: MacOS X Aqua
[11:08] <nickrud_> steven_ twm :)
[11:08] <steven_> twm
[11:08] <steven_> havent heard of that one
[11:08] <cafuego> steven_: I suggest you pick one that works for you, coz what's best for me problably isn't for you.
[11:08] <shinu> hehe
[11:08] <nickrud_> quick, stable, and obsolete
[11:08] <thoreauputic> steven_: he's joking - twm is the *basic* X interface from the dark ages
[11:08] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: well, vlc will probably play your divx by default.  By installing codecs though, you can probably get totem and mplayer to do it to
[11:08] <shinu> steven_: install them and try out :D
[11:08] <steven_> lol
[11:08] <MidNightRaVeN> hmmm
[11:08] <cafuego> thoreauputic: it's the best wm for 8Mb machines
[11:09] <steven_> macos x aqua
[11:09] <steven_> is that one any good
[11:09] <MidNightRaVeN> lol so many choices...
[11:09] <thoreauputic> cafuego: yes, i guess that's true :)
[11:09] <cafuego> steven_: Woks for millions of Mac users
[11:09] <steven_> oh
[11:09] <steven_> so ubuntu is a debian distro?
[11:09] <steven_> right
[11:09] <tiglionabbit> yep
[11:09] <nickrud_> it also has the oldest bug in debian, iirc
[11:09] <cafuego> steven_: I find Gnome nice, my wife prefers KDE.
[11:09] <steven_> i like kde
[11:10] <steven_> gnome.. eh i got bored of it
[11:10] <tiglionabbit> nickrud_: what bug is that?  Bug #1?
[11:10] <thoreauputic> cafuego: actually twm works OK if you don't mind basic
[11:10] <steven_> but now im inlove with xfce
[11:10] <steven_> I just wish i could get my ipod working
[11:10] <steven_> i tried the wiki
[11:10] <QMario> Is there an IDE for Perl in Ubuntu?
[11:10] <steven_> but it doesnt work to well
[11:10] <cafuego> thoreauputic: There's a reason i still have my 1997 ~/.fvwmrc
[11:10] <nikkia> thoreauputic: its 'hey, i need to open a window, will you place it on the screen for me' feature is annoying tho
[11:10] <MidNightRaVeN> real quick... can i get vlc through synaptic?
[11:10] <nickrud_> tiglionabbit uh, i think 7 hundred something, it's something I read in a debian announce post a while ago
[11:10] <cafuego> !info vlc
[11:10] <tiglionabbit> QMario: dunno, but vim, emacs, and gedit can pretend to be an IDE for anything
[11:10] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[11:11] <cafuego> MidNightRaVeN: yes
[11:11] <MidNightRaVeN> how?
[11:11] <QMario> How do you use emacs?
[11:11] <nikkia> qmario, read the emacs manual :)
[11:11] <tiglionabbit> QMario: use control and alt a lot
[11:11] <MidNightRaVeN> lol
[11:11] <cafuego> QMario: omg, nooooo!
[11:11] <nikkia> QMario: emacs is a great environment, once you're used to it
[11:11] <Rydekull> vi :)
[11:12] <gm78> hey everyone. there is a game where u play table tennis and it is 3d, does anyone remember the name for it?
[11:12] <MidNightRaVeN> is there like a search i have to do in synaptic that will take me to vlc?
[11:12] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: you will need to read the http://wiki.ubuntu.com/addingrepositorieshowto
[11:12] <nickrud_> I do NOT need an extra operating system ;P
[11:12] <BeatYou> !info beneath-a-steel-sky
[11:12] <ubotu> beneath-a-steel-sky: (a science fiction adventure game), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 0.0368-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 67691 kB, Installed size: 70932 kB
[11:12] <MidNightRaVeN> kk
[11:12] <thoreauputic> ed! ed is the editor! man ed! ed man!
[11:12] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, just click the searh button and type in vlc
[11:12] <tiglionabbit> thoreauputic: ...no
[11:12] <Rydekull> haha
[11:12] <nickrud_> BeatYou that's actually a pretty good free game
[11:12] <BeatYou> haha
[11:12] <BeatYou> it is ?
[11:12] <MidNightRaVeN> yea... when i typed it in though, nothing came up.... will try again
[11:13] <nikkia> thoreauputic: feh, cat and sed is all anyone will ever need!
[11:13] <steven_> Hey how long has ubuntu been out there
[11:13] <cafuego> is it about a dyson sphere gone mad?
[11:13] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: nikkia  http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt
[11:13] <nickrud_> BeatYou I had some fun at it's expense
[11:13] <cafuego> nikkia: cat is useless
[11:13] <steven_> did you see the long ass review article they had for ubuntu on linux world mag
[11:13] <tiglionabbit> nikkia: what about people who want to delete past the start of the line?
[11:13] <othernoob> BeatYou it's a great game, you should try it
[11:13] <gm78> steven_, nearing a year
[11:13] <IceDC571> wow.. i thought galeon and epiphany were the same for a while
[11:13] <cafuego> nikkia: sed and awk are all you need, using < | > and tee
[11:13] <gm78> steven_, but it is heavily based on debian, which has been around for over 10 years
[11:13] <steven_> OHH
[11:14] <steven_> Ok
[11:14] <tiglionabbit> you guys, stop being ridiculous, and start promoting an editor that lets you see more than one line of text at a time.  Without having to print it out yourself
[11:14] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: i use emacs, i already said its a great environment once you're used to it :P
[11:14] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: I never said vim wasn't the best
[11:14] <QMario> Thank you for all your help! Good Night! :)
[11:14] <tiglionabbit> rofl
[11:14] <BeatYou> nano!
[11:15] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: nano is a bit limited
[11:15] <WMCoolmon> Hey, I'm trying to get checkinstall working but got this bizarre error: package architecture (x86_64) does not match system (amd64)
[11:15] <BeatYou> what should i use
[11:15] <Rydekull> vi/vim, preferably the later but the first does the job aswell :)
[11:15] <cafuego> BeatYou: No, nano is shit; it breaks long lines
[11:15] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: compared to emacs and vim
[11:15] <thoreauputic> BeatYou: nano isn't 1337 enough
[11:15] <gm78> answered my own question, cannon smash. fun little game, anyone with an Nvidia or ATI card should try it
[11:15] <cafuego> BeatYou: give 'jed' a go.
[11:15] <IceDC571> now which one is faster.. epiphany or galeon?
[11:15] <cafuego> IceDC571: yes
[11:15] <thoreauputic> IceDC571: heh - dillo
[11:15] <nikkia> thoreauputic: my view on nano is 'if i wanted to use wordstar, i'd find a time machine' :P
[11:15] <WMCoolmon> Is there any way to get checkinstall to realize that x86_64 == amd64
[11:15] <nickrud_> IceDC571 epiphany, hands down
[11:15] <Rydekull> gm78: basically anyone these days then :P
[11:15] <WMCoolmon> ?
[11:16] <MidNightRaVeN> the more i use ubuntu... the more i'm loving it...
[11:16] <nikkia> altho if i remember, joe is even more wordstar-y than nano
[11:16] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: if you want to stay commandline, try vim and emacs out a little.  Ubuntu has the "vimtutor" command set up, and in emacs you can say control-h t  to get a tutorial
[11:16] <BeatYou> nano is 1337 enough
[11:16] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: no, it's not
[11:16] <WMCoolmon> midnightraven: you are very lucky... :-/
[11:16] <gm78> Rydekull, no, believe it or not, most computers still ship with those cheap crappy intel cards...i used to sell them, well over 60% of the ones we sold went out the door with intel cards
[11:16] <BeatYou> so vim is the 1337est ?
[11:16] <IceDC571> nickrud_: why do you say epiphany?
[11:16] <MidNightRaVeN> why's that? you not liking it?
[11:16] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: probably
[11:16] <cafuego> BeatYou: No, 'ed' is.
[11:17] <BeatYou> WHICH ONE IS THE MOST 1337
[11:17] <BeatYou> haha
[11:17] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: that's a matter of opinion
[11:17] <Rydekull> gm78: well, yeah, I know, I have one myself, the IBM x40, but still, it aint that bad :)
[11:17] <BeatYou> !info 1337
[11:17] <thoreauputic> BeatYou: you really are intent on reigniting the editor wars, aren't you ? *grin*
[11:17] <MidNightRaVeN> whcoolmon: not liking it?
[11:17] <Rydekull> gm78: they even provided drivers, not that easy to find, but still :)
 Package '1337' does not exist. - what repos has the latest 1337 ?
[11:17] <nickrud_> IceDC571 experience on a slow machine, I've used both as alpha thru today.
[11:17] <WMCoolmon> midnightraven: it seems like everything i try to do, something is either broken or simply not possible under linux that was easily possible in windows
[11:18] <WMCoolmon> midnightraven: besides, that is, actually getting it installed on my sata drive :p
[11:18] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: you will be l33t when you learn to use vim or emacs to the extent that you are editing multiple documents in a single instance of it, using several windows in them, compiling, and running your shell through them, such that during programming you never have to look at another terminal or quit
[11:18] <nickrud_> Epiphany as windows opened from liferea; galeon for general browsing.
[11:18] <gm78> Rydekull, really??? i just use the i810 drivers, do the ones they provide give u better performance?
[11:18] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: to be l33t in emacs you also need to have written at least one major .el file too :)
[11:18] <tiglionabbit> nikkia: yeah, that too
[11:18] <MidNightRaVeN> whcoolmon: =( yea... the way i've understood it is that it's a pain in the arse to get started and going... but once it's up, it's rock solid. I just like it cuz I felt frustrated and burnt out on Windows...
[11:18] <gm78> Rydekull, i have an nvidia on the one computer, intel on the other
[11:19] <Rydekull> gm78: yeah, long since I tried but it improved a little :)
[11:19] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: you will also have to have at least 200 keyboard commands for your favorite editor on hand at all times, by heart
[11:19] <nikkia> the ultimate emacs l33tness is writing a .el that allows you to write 99% of a source code file by pressing one keystroke :)
[11:19] <MidNightRaVeN> whcoolmon: trust me... lol it's been a huge pain in my rear to get anywhere that I am now. I almost gave up... it was really crappy
[11:19] <gm78> Rydekull, hmmm....well, my mom uses that computer, she plays pogo.com games, doubt she needs better performance :-P
[11:19] <Rydekull> gm78: true :P
[11:19] <tiglionabbit> nikkia: now that is ridiculous
[11:19] <tiglionabbit> but just might work
[11:20] <BeatYou> well, first, i have to learn how to open a file in emacs then
[11:20] <nikkia> BeatYou: i told you, read the emacs manual
[11:20] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: C-x Cf
[11:20] <cafuego> BeatYou: You like pain, eh? ;-)
[11:20] <tiglionabbit> I mean C-x C-f
[11:20] <Rydekull> haha
[11:20] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: it gets easier - then you have to break stuff if you want to avoid boredom ;)
[11:20] <tiglionabbit> meaning, hold control and say X F
[11:20] <Rydekull> ^x,f :)
[11:21] <nickrud_> lol, breakage for fun, that's the channel credo :)
[11:21] <WMCoolmon> midnightraven: well, hopefully i can get to that point sometime, it'd be nice to be able to get away from windows altogether.
[11:21] <cafuego> bash: emacs: command not found
[11:21] <nikkia> or just alt-x  find-file  return
[11:21] <cafuego> gotta love it
[11:21] <nnacht> I have now a problem: I mounted a partitiion of a disk in fstab. Nextime as I boot the computer, it said that: fsck.ext3: FS has unsupported features (/home1), please get a new version of e2fsck.
[11:21] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: sudo apt-get install emacs21
[11:21] <BeatYou> i tried that cafuego
[11:21] <BeatYou> haha
[11:21] <BeatYou> ahh
[11:21] <Rydekull> cafuego: -bash: emacs: command not found
[11:21] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: No thanks, i only have 40GB free space
[11:21] <Rydekull> cafuego: ;)
[11:21] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: lol
[11:21] <tiglionabbit> !info emacs21
[11:21] <ubotu> emacs21: (The GNU Emacs editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 21.3+1-8ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 1931 kB, Installed size: 5852 kB
[11:21] <IceDC571> oh god i just installed the epiphany game
[11:21] <MidNightRaVeN> whcoolmon: know what you mean... the only reason i keep windows right now is cuz i have TONS of games on it, and it does seem to atlease hold up for the gaming world...
[11:22] <IceDC571> !info epiphany
[11:22] <nickrud_> IceDC571 lol
[11:22] <ubotu> epiphany: (Clone of BoulderDash Game), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 0.5.1-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 576 kB, Installed size: 2260 kB
[11:22] <BeatYou> hmm
[11:22] <nikkia> !info xemacs21
[11:22] <ubotu> xemacs21: (highly customizable text editor), section universe/editors, is optional. Version: 21.4.17-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[11:22] <IceDC571> wonderful
[11:22] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: I think your hard disk will survive
[11:22] <thoreauputic> IceDC571: heheh - epiphany-browser I think
[11:22] <BeatYou> why does it need 44MB
[11:22] <BeatYou> this is silly
[11:22] <nikkia> 48K ? that's not right....
[11:22] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: No, because I will kill it with a hammer if emacs touches it
[11:22] <nikkia> ah, its just a meta-package for xemacs21-bin
[11:22] <MidNightRaVeN> whcoolmon: which stinks cuz I'd rather use Ubuntu for gaming and not deal with XP... i just can't get into wine and stuff like that cuz it's too complicated as of yet
[11:22] <Rydekull> !info vim
[11:22] <ubotu> vim: (Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 1:6.3-046+1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 671 kB, Installed size: 1412 kB
[11:22] <BeatYou> !info nano
[11:22] <ubotu> nano: (free Pico clone with some new features), section editors, is important. Version: 1.2.4-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 398 kB, Installed size: 1296 kB
[11:22] <nickrud_> nnacht ask that question again, in a few minutes this storm pass :)
[11:22] <cafuego> !info vim-common
[11:22] <tiglionabbit> !pico
[11:22] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: I don't know, could you explain it?
[11:23] <ubotu> vim-common: (Vi IMproved - Common files), section editors, is extra. Version: 1:6.3-046+1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 3341 kB, Installed size: 13376 kB
[11:23] <BeatYou> !info 1337edit
[11:23] <tiglionabbit> lol
[11:23] <tiglionabbit> I don't think that one exists
[11:23] <BeatYou> !info what is the best editor
[11:23] <tiglionabbit> !editor
[11:23] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: Bugger all, i dunno
[11:23] <thoreauputic> !info sex
[11:23] <nnacht>  I mounted a partitiion of a disk in fstab. Nextime as I boot the computer, it said that: fsck.ext3: FS has unsupported features (/home1), please get a new version of e2fsck.
[11:23] <IceDC571> for terminal i like vim, for gui i like leafpad
[11:23] <MidNightRaVeN> thoreauputic: thoreaputic lol your name is too darn hard to write ;-) but I imagine as soon as I do get stuff going and ready, I'm going to break lots of stuff as well =D
[11:23] <BeatYou> MidNightRaVeN!!!
[11:23] <BeatYou> tab brotha
[11:23] <tiglionabbit> sex is not a pack..age...   wow that's more suggestive than I expected
[11:23] <MidNightRaVeN> ?
[11:23] <nikkia> MidNightRaVeN: what is wrong with thor<tab> ? :)
[11:23] <thoreauputic> MidNightRaVeN: do thore <tab> ;)
[11:23] <Rydekull> IceDC571: all you have in a gui is a terminal anyway :P
[11:24] <MidNightRaVeN> lol
[11:24] <MidNightRaVeN> oooooo
[11:24] <MidNightRaVeN> =D
[11:24] <BeatYou> !info sex
[11:24] <gm78> nnacht, did u format the other partition with ubuntu?
[11:24] <MidNightRaVeN> that helps lol
[11:24] <MidNightRaVeN> rofl
[11:24] <tiglionabbit> !info leafpad
[11:24] <ubotu> leafpad: (GTK+ based simple text editor), section universe/editors, is optional. Version: 0.7.9-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 368 kB
 Package 'sex' does not exist.
[11:24] <BeatYou> liar
[11:24] <othernoob> lol
[11:24] <tiglionabbit> !info pornview
[11:24] <ubotu> pornview: (Image and movie viewer/manager), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 0.2pre1-4 (hoary), Packaged size: 224 kB, Installed size: 676 kB
[11:24] <MidNightRaVeN> lol
[11:24] <IceDC571> whoa i thought that was fake
[11:24] <WMCoolmon> midnightraven: cedega isn't too hard to install, even on amd64, if you can get the .debs
[11:24] <tiglionabbit> no, it's a real program
[11:24] <nnacht> gm78, no it is a partition in ext3 which I formated earlier with fedora
[11:24] <thoreauputic> BeatYou: it does exist actually : "simple editor for X" IIRC
[11:24] <gm78> nnacht, which version of fedora?
[11:24] <Rydekull> oh!
[11:25] <nickrud_> it's not too bad of a viewer, either
[11:25] <nnacht> fedora3
[11:25] <IceDC571> watch pornview depend on a lot of xvid files
[11:25] <gm78> nnacht, selinux might be to blame, there are extended features it adds into ext3
[11:25] <BeatYou> so has ubuntu pretty much taken over in terms of what distro n00bs install ?
[11:25] <MidNightRaVeN> WMCoolmon: never heard of cedega =X i tried Fedora, and umm lol uhhh... mandrake... but so far ubuntu suits me best
[11:25] <BeatYou> over mandrake that is
[11:26] <IceDC571> whorey wants me to insert my cd for epiphany
[11:26] <nikkia> heh, pornview doesn't like .vob files very much
[11:26] <nnacht> gm78, oh, yes. it could be possible. but if i mount it manuelly, it was no problem
[11:26] <Rydekull> I must say that porn-get rules pornview
[11:26] <gm78> BeatYou, somewhat....there is still linspire, xandros and mepis
[11:26] <Rydekull> www.linuks.mine.nu/porn-get
[11:26] <Rydekull> :=
[11:26] <Rydekull> :)
[11:26] <othernoob> MidNightRaVeN cedega used to be called winex
[11:26] <gm78> BeatYou, it is definately the best newbie gnome distro
[11:26] <IceDC571> the xfce run panel doesnt know what sudo means
[11:26] <BeatYou> slackware is the best newb kde distro
[11:27] <MidNightRaVeN> othernoob: i haven't been around long enough to hear of either...
[11:27] <tiglionabbit> http://www.squarefree.com/pornzilla/
[11:27] <gm78> BeatYou, i might have to disagree with you there :-P Mepis and Kubuntu are much easier to use
[11:27] <WMCoolmon> midnightraven: it's a windows emulator for games, but it can run other programs as well
[11:27] <gm78> BeatYou, slackware is good if u want to learn linux tho
[11:27] <WMCoolmon> midnightraven: once it's installed you just type "cedega program.exe" and it runs it
[11:28] <othernoob> gm78 so is LFS ;)
[11:28] <BeatYou> heh
[11:28] <gm78> othernoob, lol, true
[11:28] <MidNightRaVeN> WMCoolmon: does it crash a lot though?
[11:28] <BeatYou> we run slackware in our class for one of the servers
[11:28] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, depends entirely on the game, check the site for support
[11:28] <gm78> *supported games
[11:28] <nnacht> another question: I want to compile a QT-programm from soure. By the configure, I got the message that QT was not installed. What should I install? Say: apt-get install ???
[11:28] <gm78> nnacht, apt-get install libqt-dev
[11:29] <MidNightRaVeN> kk =) thx for the info! lol I'm learing so much in one day I think my head is going to explode ;-)
[11:29] <BeatYou> anyone have gmail in here ?
[11:29] <thoreauputic> nnacht: those errors almost always mean you need -dev libraries
[11:29] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: I do
[11:29] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, the level of support is incredible though when u think about it. they have to write a compatability layer for a lot of microsoft's libraries without any support from microsoft
[11:29] <tiglionabbit> and up to 50 other people around here can too, ask away!
[11:29] <BeatYou> is there any way to use pgp keys with gmail
[11:29] <MidNightRaVeN> what is the stuff you guys when you put "! blah"?
[11:30] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: it commands ubotu the bot to say something
[11:30] <BeatYou> dont make me turn on trivia bot tiglionabbit
[11:30] <MidNightRaVeN> gm78: seriously... the community with Linux is so sweet... it's the thing that attracts me the most
[11:30] <BeatYou> cause im sure id be banned in 5 minutes
[11:30] <othernoob> BeatYou: it's worth it ;)
[11:30] <BeatYou> haha
[11:30] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, lol, yeah, problems get solved pretty quickly here
[11:30] <BeatYou> no thanks
[11:31] <tiglionabbit> I was attracted to linux for the fiddling
[11:31] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, not sure if anyone told u, cedega requires a subscription fee
[11:31] <MidNightRaVeN> lol
[11:31] <tiglionabbit> I like an OS I can stare at for days and always find new things to screw around with and shove in it
[11:31] <nnacht> gm78, as I was just trying with apt-get install libqt-dev, I got the message that libqt3-dev is already install. And there is nothing to install for libqt-dev
[11:31] <MidNightRaVeN> no one told me =(
[11:31] <MidNightRaVeN> lol
[11:31] <BeatYou> i was attracted to linux beacuse running server programs in windows = satan
[11:31] <MidNightRaVeN> lol
[11:31] <tiglionabbit> BeatYou: good reason
[11:32] <BeatYou> and ubuntu is only <= satan
[11:32] <gm78> nnacht, ok, read the log file, it will search for qt in /lib/qt or something like that, i think ubuntu puts qt in the same directory except qt3, u might have to make a symlink (i had to on RHEL)
[11:32] <BeatYou> going to sleep now
[11:32] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, u can compile it from source, but it is missing features, such as support for some games
[11:32] <nnacht> gm78, thanks a lot
[11:32] <BeatYou> nick BeatYou-zZz
[11:32] <BeatYou> errrrrrr
[11:32] <gm78> nnacht, no problem
[11:33] <MidNightRaVeN> gm78: yea... it's a bit to take on just yet... i still have to get my sound card to work lol
[11:33] <IceDC571> why cant they just call it the dildo browser?
[11:33] <othernoob> IceDC571: because guys wouldn't use it :p
[11:34] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, what kind of sound card?
[11:34] <thoreauputic> IceDC571: heh - funny name I agree: but dillo is blazingly fast at least
[11:34] <MidNightRaVeN> gm78: Creative Audigy ZS Gamer
[11:34] <MidNightRaVeN> haven't tried to mess all that much to get it to work
[11:34] <othernoob> MidNightRaVeN: and what is the problem?
[11:34] <gm78> thoreauputic, yeah, and it craps out on standards compliant sites. run www.redhat.com through w3c.org's html checker, it should be compliant, dillo wont render it properly
[11:35] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, open a terminal, type lspci, and then post the line about your soundcard
[11:35] <MidNightRaVeN> dunno... no sound... could just be something stupid like the sound is just muted or something cuz I just started Ubuntu today... but I mean... the sound isn't muted and for some reason when i try to test it, nothing plays
[11:35] <tiglionabbit> wow, leafpad and mousepad are exactly the same thing.  They are identical in every way except that mousepad has a print button!
[11:35] <MidNightRaVeN> kk
[11:36] <thoreauputic> gm78: dillo has no support for frames etc - and I agree it doesn't render pages as they are written at times
[11:36] <thoreauputic> gm78: still a nice little browser for searches and docs etc
[11:36] <MidNightRaVeN> 0000:02:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04)
[11:36] <MidNightRaVeN> that?
[11:36] <gm78> thoreauputic, yeah, i tried it but i need java applets and for pages to load properly, etc. a lot of my schooling is done through a web browser
[11:36] <martii> hi
[11:37] <martii> question about cron as ubuntu comes with anacron
[11:37] <thoreauputic> gm78: I use it mostly for local files and on my old pentium 200 machine
[11:37] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, yep, hats it
[11:37] <gm78> *thats
[11:37] <othernoob> MidNightRaVeN: do you use kde or gnome?
[11:37] <tiglionabbit> what is cron?
[11:37] <martii> does /etc/init.d/cron restart restart anacron ?
[11:37] <MidNightRaVeN> gnome
[11:37] <MidNightRaVeN> for now anywho
[11:37] <martii> in fact there is cron + anacron
[11:37] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, ok, how are you trying to test your sound? like with what program?
[11:37] <martii> why ?
[11:38] <nikkia> martii: they serve different purposes
[11:38] <tiglionabbit> MidNightRaVeN: if you ever decide to add kde, install the package 'kubuntu-desktop' while you don't have a backports repository in your list.  Just uh, store that snigget of info for later
[11:38] <othernoob> i have the Audigy 2 ZS and all i had to do was to select analog output MidNightRaVeN
[11:38] <gm78> tiglionabbit, if u install kubuntu-desktop, does it replace gdm with kdm or anything like that?
[11:38] <othernoob> in KMix...which you don't have
[11:38] <nikkia> martii: if you want a program to run 'once a day, at, or after, 8am' anacron is your solution....
[11:38] <tiglionabbit> gm78: it asks you if you'd like to
[11:38] <thoreauputic> martii: anacron does useful stuff like running cron after the machine has been down or otherwise unable to run cron jobs
[11:39] <gm78> tiglionabbit, ah, alright
[11:39] <MidNightRaVeN> gm78: well.. i tried the program Ubuntu Device Database i think it is, and it asked if it played sound... and nothing happened
[11:39] <IceDC571> omg
[11:39] <IceDC571> someone made my dream come true! http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=208
[11:39] <tiglionabbit> gm78: it installs kdm regardless, but during the install it asks you which you'd like to make the default.  You can always switch in sys -> admin -> login screen setup
[11:39] <IceDC571> a gtk-based msn messenger!
[11:39] <MidNightRaVeN> gm78,: where do you select analog sound from?
[11:39] <othernoob> is there something like Kmix for Gnome?
[11:39] <gm78> MidNightRaVeN, open a private chat with me, i might be able to get it going
[11:39] <jeroen_> IceDC571, It can't be as good as amsn ;-)
[11:39] <MidNightRaVeN> =(
[11:40] <MidNightRaVeN> gm78: how do i do that?
[11:40] <REWind> Hi! I just recovered my computer after a Windows installation. But when grub reinstalled itself on the bootblock it started to name the partitions diffrent since before
[11:40] <martii> thoreauputic: ok so should I restart anacron ?
[11:40] <gm78> query gm78 (put a forward slash in front of query though)
[11:40] <othernoob> "/query name" MidNightRaVeN
[11:40] <nikkia> martii: why do you feel you need to restart anacron ?
[11:40] <IceDC571> jeroen_: oh but it will rule over amsn as it progresses :)
[11:40] <MidNightRaVeN> othernoob: thx =D
[11:40] <thoreauputic> martii: yeah, sudo  /etc/init.d/anacron restart
[11:40] <REWind> Is it any way to get grub to understand the real partitions names?
[11:40] <IceDC571> after all its only version 0.1
[11:40] <thoreauputic> or whatever
[11:41] <jeroen_> IceDC571, okay, whatever ;-) If you can get it into universe, I will try it :-)
[11:41] <martii> thoreauputic: I think it does not work well
[11:41] <tiglionabbit> REWind: grub numbers your partitions by their order from the master, starting with hd0,0
[11:42] <thoreauputic> martii: ?
[11:42] <martii> thoreauputic: /etc/init.d/anacron restart and nothing happens
[11:42] <martii> thoreauputic: while
[11:42] <martii> /etc/init.d/cron restart * Restarting periodic command scheduler...                              [ ok ] 
[11:42] <thoreauputic> martii: you don't normally need to touch anacron - what are you doing that requires this?
[11:42] <martii> thoreauputic: edit anacron file
[11:43] <martii> thoreauputic: /etc/cron.d/anacron
[11:45] <yonil> Q: which software can encode an avi video with DivX / XviD or something else ?
[11:45] <martii> yonil: mplayer
[11:45] <REWind> tiglionabbit, I needed to remove the windows partion and the swap partion to be albe to reformat and recreate the windows partition before installation. That created a change in partitions number as you say... it counts from the "master".. What I did was load a live CD and then rearrange the partitions so they have the same numbering as before and then reinstalled grub. That was my misstake I would say.
[11:45] <martii> yonil: it has encoder boundeled in
[11:45] <yonil> martii, oh right i forgot ... i
[11:46] <yonil> i'll try it then, thanks
[11:46] <REWind> If I had restarted the machine again before reinstall grub, grub would have recongnise the change in partitionnumbering and then done the installation as I wanted it to be... but now that's not the case. Can I somehow correct this?
[11:46] <nikkia> yonil: mplayer (mencoder), ffmpeg, transcode, etc
[11:47] <IceDC571> is balsa more lightweight than evolution?
[11:47] <thoreauputic> IceDC571: yes
[11:47] <thoreauputic> IceDC571: almost anything is lighter weight than evolution ;)
[11:47] <gm78> Hey, just wondering, anyone here using 3ddesktop?
[11:47] <tiglionabbit> lol, when you run pornview, on the taskbar it shows "proview_status"
[11:47] <tiglionabbit> that's awesome
[11:48] <IceDC571> is it supposed to be like a disguise?
[11:48] <tiglionabbit> well it's better than someone seeing the word "porn" in your tasks
[11:48] <IceDC571> i see
[11:48] <gm78> probably wouldnt look good if ur boss walked behind u and saw it
[11:49] <othernoob> only if it's a woman :P
[11:49] <IceDC571> well my boss is bisexual
[11:49] <tiglionabbit> oh sorry I'm wrong, it shows the pornview one too
[11:49] <vuduchld> i have installed ubuntu in my spare box many times.  however -- the past couple of times the monitor frequency has been out of range and it no longer boots into GDM.  i think my monitor has a safeguard for that because a convenient blue box came up with nothing else telling me what was going on.  considering there is nothing in the ubuntu install that has any configurable options for monitors, i'm assuming, something with the updates / de
[11:49] <ateves> is there some linux notifier for gmail?
[11:49] <_4strO_> yop oyp
[11:49] <gm78> IceDC571, ur boss is pretty open and honest with u i take it?
[11:49] <IceDC571> ateves: yep
[11:49] <vuduchld> have misinterpreted my monitor
[11:49] <gm78> :P
[11:50] <nikkia> if my boss walked up behind me, i'd be seriously worried about how  he broke into my home :P
[11:50] <ateves> IceDC571: which one?
[11:50] <IceDC571> ateves: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=590
[11:50] <tiglionabbit> I wish I had a boss.  I've got no job!
[11:51] <IceDC571> ateves: actually nevermind.. its for windowmaker
[11:51] <vuduchld> has anyone every experienced my monitor problem ?
[11:51] <tiglionabbit> I've been trying really hard to get hired...   having difficulty even getting one at Wendy's
[11:51] <thoreauputic> vuduchld: I would run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg and enter your monitor's specs
[11:51] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: you'll have to show your goods more ;)
[11:51] <tiglionabbit> goods?
[11:51] <vuduchld> thoreauputic thank you
[11:51] <vuduchld> i think i can get to a command prompt
[11:51] <tiglionabbit> I suppose I should make a flashy website
[11:52] <tiglionabbit> I hand around my resume, which looks like this: http://people.ucsc.edu/~nretalla/resume.html
[11:52] <tiglionabbit> zomg, now you know where I live
[11:53] <Will__> Able to reconfigure MOST operating systems, eh?
[11:53] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: personally, i wouldn't put the dvorak stuff in there
[11:53] <Will__> I'm not impressed. I demand dvorak on ALL platforms
[11:54] <nikkia> it'll just confuse HR people, and they don't like being confused
[11:54] <tiglionabbit> Will__: I only say "Most" because someone is going to have me use an uber-primitive database program with no underlying OS
[11:55] <ateves> IceDC571: i dislike this program right now, because no dependent packages can be found via apt
[11:55] <nikkia> Will__: i can think of a few situations where dvorak is a no-go
[11:55] <Will__> That's the one reason I hold off on dvorak.
[11:55] <nikkia> Will__: a vt terminal to a remote machine, for example
[11:55] <tiglionabbit> and yeah, you're right, maybe I do want to tailor it to what will actually make them want to talk to me first
[11:55] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: when i was looking for a job last, i had about 12 different resumes
[11:55] <Will__> nikkia: sarcasm. I dislike it as an idea, and am dubious of some studies of speed
[11:56] <tiglionabbit> nikkia: =\  is it that hard?
[11:56] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: each one tailored to presenting a different set of skills as the 'key', each potential employer got the resume most suited to their needs
[11:56] <tiglionabbit> I've applied to over 30 places already.  Yeah..
[11:56] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: i dunno, its just a trick i was told to use, and it helped, i think
[11:56] <Will__> nikkia has the right idea
[11:56] <tiglionabbit> still waiting for a response from Wendy's, and that Cleaners place
[11:57] <pepsix> tiglionabbit, mmmm.. another person looking for employment at fine establishments
[11:57] <tiglionabbit> I don't like being dishonest
[11:57] <pepsix> at least im not alone :D
[11:57] <vuduchld> i rebooted.  in my bios screen it was off center.  i made it center.  oddly when it resumed booting GDM came up just fine.  thoreauputic -- do you think this is alright ?
[11:57] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: you don't need to be dishonest, you just need to make sure that your skill set presented in the resume most suits the job its for
[11:57] <thoreauputic> vuduchld: hey, if it works why change it ?
[11:58] <tiglionabbit> vuduchld: it is common that after installing video acceleration, the screen is a little off in adjustment
[11:58] <vuduchld> ok just wanted to make sure it was safe
[11:58] <vuduchld> thanks
[11:58] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: noone's going to dive thru a list of OS sysadmin tasks to find that you say you can program C at the bottom, when they want a developer, for example
[11:58] <tiglionabbit> nikkia: that's why I put C near the top
[11:58] <othernoob> nikkia, i hardly doubt that Wendy's cares about any of it either...
[11:58] <vuduchld> actually no acceleration was installed merely a kvm connecting the two computers.  i was in bios post screen
[11:58] <nikkia> othernoob: well, that's true, but i doubt they care about 80wpm on dvorak either :)
[11:59] <othernoob> that's why i said "any" ;)
[11:59] <nikkia> 'can operate a spatula competantly' is about all they'll look for on a resume :)
[11:59] <tiglionabbit> nikkia: I thought that by listing my computer skills, after they'd heard I've admin'd several flavors of unix/linux, they would trust me to use their cash register
[11:59] <vuduchld> who does 80wpm on dvorak ???  btw, who uses dvorak ?  someone who never swapped keyboards.. i never understood why it was created
[12:00] <nikkia> vuduchld: a very basic dvorak typer :)
[12:00] <tiglionabbit> is 80wpm slow?
[12:00] <tiglionabbit> aw
[12:00] <tiglionabbit> I can't think fast enough
[12:00] <nikkia> when i was using dvorak i was hitting 120wpm
[12:00] <tiglionabbit> I only switched last year
[12:00] <nikkia> but given that i can type at 120wpm on qwerty too, and spent too much time having to swap between the two, i gave up on dvorak
[12:00] <vuduchld> do people today still use dvorak ?  for me i thought it was a 80ish keyboard
[12:00] <tiglionabbit> maybe I used a bad method of switching or something...  but I type more than twice as fast as I did with querty
[12:00] <Will__> Stating you use Dvorak is letting them know you are a power-geek, and will happily live in a server room on doritoes and coffee
[12:00] <Lucky68> moinsen :)
[12:01] <nikkia> Will__: what kind of company allows you need a server with doritoes ??!?
[12:01] <nikkia> need=near
[12:01] <vuduchld> yeah but if you know dvorak its inevitable you will have to use qwerty too
[12:01] <tiglionabbit> =[
[12:01] <tiglionabbit> I can't use querty anymore.  Am I a failure?
[12:02] <vuduchld> i love coffee.  what i hate most about it is what it does for my digestive tract
[12:02] <vuduchld> tiglionabbit not if you can use a spatula ;)
[12:02] <tiglionabbit> I can't type over 85wpm in dvorak...
[12:02] <Will__> 80% of the server rooms I have been in kept all the goodies behind glass doors
[12:02] <tiglionabbit> I could never type more than 45wpm in querty
[12:02] <othernoob> what's the point of dvorak anyway?
[12:02] <vuduchld> but not to worry -- i dont think i could use a spatula
[12:02] <Will__> You could throw doritoes at them all night, and they would still be fine
[12:02] <vuduchld> hno73, my condolences
[12:02] <nikkia> will, dorito-dust can be pretty nasty
[12:02] <Will__> I do 80wpm on qwerty without being able to touch type
[12:03] <Mr_Smiley> http://dvzine.org/zine/index.html
[12:03] <tiglionabbit> othernoob: tailored to english, puts all the common keys in the middle to reduce carpal tunnel..  and uh, the keys actually have a reason to be where they are, instead of being all random and stupid
[12:03] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: tailored to *american english* is what you mean
[12:03] <hno73> vuduchld: ?
[12:03] <tiglionabbit> nikkia: what ever
[12:03] <vuduchld> well you are .uk
[12:03] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: which is also its biggest downfall, imo
[12:03] <othernoob> thus not english :p
[12:03] <Will__> nikkia: Fair enough. Maybe we can negotiate a broom-closet for living space
[12:03] <tiglionabbit> whoa, what's that?  I've never seen that dvorak site before
[12:03] <vuduchld> i didn't know exactly who was responsible until 4am
[12:03] <vuduchld> for the london thing but thats a bit off topic
[12:04] <hno73> vuduchld: thanks. Fortunately not in London though
[12:04] <Mr_Smiley> :)
[12:04] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: are there outer layouts designed for other languages?
[12:04] <othernoob> like german or swedish for example?
[12:04] <nikkia> othernoob: of dvorak? no
[12:04] <tiglionabbit> othernoob: there's polish dvorak
[12:04] <nikkia> othernoob: people have tried, but its a lot of work to analyse the character usage of languages
[12:04] <othernoob> nikkia, not of dvorak, i meant in general
[12:05] <nikkia> othernoob: yeah, there are lots of keyboard layouts
[12:05] <sam_> i started trying out dvorak recently
[12:05] <othernoob> nikkia: is there one for german or swedish ;)
[12:06] <tiglionabbit> ubuntu has dvorak for english, polish, french, swedish, norwegian, united kingdom, and english for one-handed people
[12:06] <thoreauputic> ;)
[12:06] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: there is only one official dvorak though, and the others work to a variety of effectiveness, IME
[12:06] <Mr_Smiley> haha
[12:06] <tiglionabbit> what's IME?
[12:06] <nikkia> in my experience
[12:06] <tiglionabbit> In My Experience?
[12:06] <tiglionabbit> oh
[12:06] <tiglionabbit> just guessed it
[12:07] <sam_> nice when your fingers dont have to fly around the whole keyboard all the time
[12:07] <tiglionabbit> yes
[12:07] <nikkia> sam, if your fingers are flying around the keyboard, you'e typing wong, regardless of the layout :P
[12:07] <tiglionabbit> but damn, I can't type fast enough with dvorak then, if I should be typing 120wpm.  What do you think I should do to train?
[12:07] <othernoob> well i was just wondering, would give something else a try, besides qwerty..but if there isn't one for german it's of no use to me
[12:07] <Mr_Smiley> how did you learn how to type dvorak? I want to try it
[12:07] <adwait> whts dvorak?
[12:07] <tiglionabbit> nikkia: no, querty takes a lot more movement.  I can really feel that
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> Mr_Smiley: I just downloaded dvorak7min
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> !info dvorak7min
[12:08] <ubotu> dvorak7min: (Typing tutor for dvorak keyboards), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 1.6-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 116 kB
[12:08] <Mr_Smiley> ah ok i'll try that then, thanks
[12:08] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: *shrug*, my fingers stay on the home row 99% of the time, the movements are minimal
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> Mr_Smiley: make sure you set your keyboard layout to dvorak first though =P
[12:08] <Mr_Smiley> yep  :P
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> you can add a switcher to the gnome panel
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> it's handy
[12:08] <Mr_Smiley> yeah that could be handy
[12:08] <Mr_Smiley> how do i do that?
[12:09] <tiglionabbit> right-click it and add a thing called "Keyboard Indicator"
[12:09] <Mr_Smiley> ah yeah just found it :P
[12:09] <Mr_Smiley> yeah that site i linked got me interested in it
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> Mr_Smiley: switching keyboard layouts felt like I had my arm ripped off for about a week.  Keep that in mind...  do you have some time when you don't need to type anything?
[12:10] <Mr_Smiley> yeah i do, i'm on holidays for two weeks :P
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> awesome
[12:10] <theturnip> hi, i just formatted my linux partition and reinstalled warty on it, installation carries along quite happily, but when rebooting grubs give me an error 17 and then nothing
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> !grub17
[12:11] <ubotu> I don't know, tiglionabbit
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> damn, was worth a try
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> anyway, that means grub can't figure out your volumes
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> which is not gewd.  Are you sure you got it installed on the mbr correctly?  And uh, are you using a really old bios?
[12:11] <Mr_Smiley> hmm that keyboard indicator isn't showing dvorak
[12:11] <sam_> its easy to realize qwerty is flawed when there is only one wovel on the home row
[12:12] <Mr_Smiley> true
[12:12] <snowblink> How do I change the keyboard from US to UK in console only? (server build)
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> Mr_Smiley: add the keyboard.  System -> prefs -> keyboards, layouts tab
[12:12] <Mr_Smiley> yeah i have...
[12:12] <Mr_Smiley> hmm
[12:12] <theturnip> tiglionabbit, whether i installed the mbr correctly i have no clue, never had to manually do anything to it in my life;)
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> and when you click on the indicator, it doesn't switch from USA to Dvo ?
[12:12] <Mr_Smiley> ah there we go, i readded it
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> theturnip: do you usually need a /boot partition?
[12:13] <nikkia> snowblink: 'loadkeys'
[12:13] <theturnip> :/
[12:13] <theturnip> dunno
[12:13] <Mr_Smiley> lol was just about to type its working now, but i had changed it to dvorak
[12:13] <snowblink> nikkia, cheers
[12:13] <theturnip> whenever i've set up things in the past they've just sorted themselves out automagically
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> Mr_Smiley: lol
[12:13] <Mr_Smiley> time to try this dvorak7min
[12:14] <tiglionabbit> kjtrglu gl kjd ,oslu patsfk g; rosnpdmakgi  ( typing in the wrong layout is problematic )
[12:14] <Mr_Smiley> hahah
[12:14] <Mr_Smiley> yeah it looked a bit like that :-)
[12:14] <G2k> hey all, I'm new to ubuntu I just switched over from gentoo...uhm...I have a question, I'm not able to install things like mplayer and I dont understand this repository thing too well...what am I supposed to add?
[12:14] <wijnand> G2k: add them all
[12:14] <Mr_Smiley> G2k: have you been to ubuntuguide.org
[12:14] <wijnand> G2k: mplayer is in multiverse iirc
[12:14] <Mr_Smiley> thats very useful
[12:14] <tiglionabbit> no!
[12:14] <znh> Is it known that the ubuntu mirror gives 404 errors? (in apt-get)
[12:14] <Mr_Smiley> :O
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[12:15] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> !backports
[12:15] <ubotu> backports is, like, http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> read those instead
[12:15] <znh> tiglionabbit: that's not the prob..
[12:15] <G2k> Mr_Smiley: ya im trying to make sense out of things
[12:15] <G2k> wijnand: ive added a bunch
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> I'm talking to G2k
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> G2k: you need to add a mirror for backports
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> G2k: but be sure to comment it out once you've got mplayer and w32codecs
[12:16] <tiglionabbit> !info mplayer-586
[12:16] <ubotu> mplayer-586: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6 (hoary), Packaged size: 3486 kB, Installed size: 7508 kB
[12:16] <tiglionabbit> oh, it's in multiverse
[12:16] <gm78> Anyone here running amd64 ubuntu? i need the /etc/apt/sources.lst for someone running amd64
[12:16] <znh> Getting xfce4 gives me 404 errors, updating does not help
[12:16] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: i am glad you've got a big box of !
[12:16] <G2k> tiglionabbit: i added some backports (the ones that the ubuntu guide tells you to put)
[12:16] <nalioth> znh: the repos are wonky atm
[12:16] <wijnand> tiglionabbit: :)
[12:16] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: =\  I get the idea, but i'm not gonna stop
[12:16] <znh> nalioth: :(
[12:16] <action09_> tiglionabbit hi what do u mean please , there are 2 versions of mplayer ? one in backports and the other one where ?
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: even though your dog is better
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> action09_: well according to ubotu here, it's in multiverse
[12:17] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: oh, no you misunderstand me, i'm glad you have a big box of !
[12:17] <lampshade> Anyone know when firefox is going to get fixed so that you can visit update.mozilla.org without the hackish solution?
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> lampshade: it's fine, I can tell you how to fix it though
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> !firefox
[12:17] <ubotu> I heard firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[12:17] <thoreauputic> lampshade: Ocober, presumably
[12:17] <nalioth> G2k: stay away from the 'guide, it is full of pitfalls
[12:17] <thoreauputic> *October
[12:17] <FLD> there is plenty of money in the world to guy that can fake his dead
[12:18] <FLD> :DDD
[12:18] <Mr_Smiley> just wondering what is wrong with the guide?
[12:18] <G2k> nalioth: well...what should I do then? I'm an ubuntu n00b, have no clue how the package system works here
[12:18] <aburda> Anybody know if it is possible to use/set variables in the nautilus location bar, i.e. I can use type mp3 instead of /dos/mp3?
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> Mr_Smiley: it doesn't explain to you what any of the commands do, and can screw things up for you if you sudo around wildly like that
[12:18] <Teez> Why does Ubuntu not upgrade software, it only provides security fixes for it? I find it really annoying to say the least
[12:18] <action09_> tiglionabbit ho ok if i have these 2 sources multiverse and backports (like in Ubuntu guide..) from which one will they be installed ?
[12:18] <nalioth> G2k: https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:18] <Mr_Smiley> ah ok yeah that is true
[12:18] <aburda> ....I can just type mp3 instead of ....
[12:19] <lampshade> tiglionabbit:  yeah that solution was the hackish thing I was talking about ;)
[12:19] <Mez> Teez, that's changing soon :D
[12:19] <Mr_Smiley> I know what the commands do, so I just pick the stuff that I like
[12:19] <znh> To remove gnome, would apt-get remove gnome-* adviceable?
[12:19] <onkarshinde> G2k: What help do you need about package system?
[12:19] <Teez> Mez, When is soon?
[12:19] <Mr_Smiley> but yeah for new users its not too good
[12:19] <Teez> Mez, heh
[12:19] <nalioth> Teez: every 6 months you get a shiny new distro
[12:19] <G2k> onkarshinde: all i want to do is install mplayer and a few other programs
[12:19] <Mez> Teez, backports has become an official project so people will be able to choose
[12:19] <Mez> Teez, well, we're not too sure.. the sbuild should be up and running pretty soon
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> you guys, what is the best way to remove a metapackage?
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> by that I mean remove everything the metapackage pulled in
[12:20] <onkarshinde> znh: I suppose apt-get -f remove should do.
[12:20] <Teez> Mez, Well, that'll be a major improvement
[12:21] <onkarshinde> G2k: on the terminal type 'sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:21] <znh> onkarshinde: just apt-get -f remove ?, then how does it know I want to remove gnome?
[12:21] <G2k> onkarshinde: k
[12:21] <Mez> Teez :D yes I know - but for now - check out http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[12:21] <Teez> Mez, Alright, will do.
[12:22] <nalioth> znh: i suggest you use synaptic, and search for "gnome"
[12:22] <onkarshinde> znh: I mean -f flag is important. You can put the package name you want. But please check this first.
[12:22] <G|limmer> hello all
[12:22] <znh> onkarshinde: Ok, thanks
[12:22] <G2k> onkarshinde: i added ## Backports
[12:22] <G2k> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:22] <G2k> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[12:22] <REWind> Don't know if you talk about keyboard layout anymore.. however, what I've heard was that qwerty was designed to slow down typing when typing english due to the type machines couldn't type as quick as the human mind could. Therefore the designed a layout slowing down so the letters in the type machine didn't stuck in each other as they can do if you type to quickly...
[12:22] <wijnand> when i add the backports repository, can i have ubuntu blindly upgrade all packages? or will i run into trouble?
[12:23] <onkarshinde> G2k: So now do apt-get update. This will update package listing. Then you can say apt-get -f install mplayer
[12:24] <nalioth> wijnand: at the time, its not recommended to do a full upgrade using BP
[12:24] <nalioth> wijnand: it's advised to get the pkg(s) you want, and then comment BP out until next time
[12:24] <wijnand> nalioth: so how do i prevent the update manager from looking in that repository?
[12:24] <onkarshinde> G2k: alternatively you can close the terminal and use Synaptic (graphical tool). Not that you can't use both apt-get and synaptic simultaneously.
[12:24] <wijnand> ahh right
[12:24] <G2k> onkarshinde, E: Couldn't find package mplayer
[12:25] <G2k> terminal is better :D im coming from a gentoo background so i feel more confident with it
[12:25] <nalioth> G2k: synaptic has a friendlier interface
[12:26] <nalioth> G2k: then at the prompt, type "apt-cache search mplayer"
[12:26] <G|limmer> i downloaded FireFox 1.04 and want to install it. But i am confused how should I proceed. Should I remove the old FireFox first? Where should I install the new one?
[12:26] <znh> This is terrible, I can't even get firefox :/
[12:26] <thoreauputic> G2k: try apt-cache search mplayer - there is no mplayer package, only a choice accoeding to your cpu etc
[12:26] <nalioth> G|limmer: why do you need 1.0.4?
[12:26] <deFrysk> G|limmer, only use ubuntu packages
[12:27] <G2k> thoreauputic, nalioth, k done
[12:27] <znh> Aren't there other mirrors?
[12:27] <nalioth> G2k: in the output, you should see mplayer-i386 and similar
[12:27] <rob^> G|limmer, the firefox in ubuntu is patched up to 1.0.4
[12:27] <nalioth> znh: are you using us mirrors?
[12:27] <G2k> nalioth: mga-vid-source - Kernel driver for the back-end scaler on Matrox cards (source)
[12:27] <G2k> w32codecs - win32 binary codecs
[12:27] <rob^> no need to install again
[12:27] <znh> nalioth: yea.. they are terrible
[12:27] <G|limmer> nalioth, deFrysk: Hi. 104 has security fixes, no?
[12:27] <rob^> fyes
[12:28] <rob^> G|limmer, it does, they are already included
[12:28] <onkarshinde> G|limmer: Why do you need FF 1.0.4? The fixes are ported to the Ubunbtu. All you need is to enable security repository and update your current FF.
[12:28] <nalioth> G|limmer: rob^ mentioned about that to you
[12:28] <nalioth> where is tiglionabbit and his box of !
[12:28] <nalioth> !firefox
[12:28] <ubotu> [firefox]  version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[12:28] <deFrysk> G|limmer, if you update ubuntu the new 1.0.2 has the fixes included
[12:28] <znh> terrible.. can't do nothing
[12:28] <G|limmer> rob: Is it already? I heard there is a probleb in Ubuntu in reporting and displaying v1.04 of FireFox as v1.02. Is that true and how to fix it?
[12:29] <rob^> G|limmer, yes
[12:29] <vuduchld> i did a apt-get dist-upgrade and thinking its upgrading my hoary to the new 5.10 version that is not official.  i am wondering if it will also update my sources.list ?  if it doesn't i dont know how i would go about creating a proper one
[12:29] <G2k> nalioth: after executing that command i still cant install it
[12:29] <rob^> G|limmer, what ubotu said
[12:29] <nalioth> znh: are you using us mirrors?
[12:29] <znh> nalioth: yes I do
[12:29] <nalioth> G2k: which command is that?
[12:30] <jeroen_> vuduchld, you want to know what the correct sources.list is? Watch
[12:30] <jeroen_> !sources
[12:30] <ubotu> from memory, sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:30] <nalioth> znh: open your /etc/apt/sources.list for editing (using sudo) and remove the us from in front of us.archive, blah on all lines
[12:30] <G2k> sudo apt-cache search mplayer
[12:30] <znh> nalioth: ok, that would help -?
[12:30] <onkarshinde> G2k: I am not sure how well maintained that backport repository is. Is there any special reason behind installing MPlayer?
[12:30] <nalioth> znh: yes, it will give you 'random next server' instead of a specific mirror
[12:31] <znh> nalioth: awesome
[12:31] <thoreauputic> G2k: apt-cache search just shows you the packages
[12:31] <nalioth> G2k: in the output you should see mplayer-i386 or similar
[12:31] <G2k> nalioth: i dont i see like win32codecs and something else...im installing the win32codecs cus i need those anyawys
[12:31] <nalioth> G2k: find the package that matches your hardware, and use that pkgname behind your apt-get command
[12:31] <onkarshinde> G2k: I mean VLC ( available in universe repository) is really good at playing videos.
[12:31] <vuduchld> those the sources pasted to pastebin appear to be for hoary.   does the hoary respository have the necessary files to upgrade to 10.2
[12:31] <vuduchld> ?
[12:32] <G2k> onkarshinde: nah im used to mplayer and xine
[12:32] <nalioth> G2k: are you lookinga at ALL the output?
[12:32] <G2k> $ sudo apt-cache search mplayer
[12:32] <G2k> mga-vid-source - Kernel driver for the back-end scaler on Matrox cards (source)
[12:32] <G2k> w32codecs - win32 binary codecs
[12:32] <G2k> that was all the output
[12:33] <nalioth> G2k: do you have all your sources enabled? universe and multiverse?
[12:33] <thoreauputic> G2k: your sources are incomplete or in error then
[12:33] <G2k> nalioth: i think so
[12:33] <nalioths_dog> G2k: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:33] <nalioths_dog> G2k: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:33] <nalioth> G2k: please confirm
[12:34] <onkarshinde> naliothI suppose that the repository he is using doesn't have mplayer.
[12:34] <thoreauputic> G2k: and did you do ' sudo apt-get update ' after adding sources ?
[12:34] <znh> Anonyone known here with vncserver? - How to define the windowmanager?
[12:34] <nalioth> onkarshinde: that could be possible
[12:34] <nalioth> !mplayer
[12:34] <ubotu> somebody said mplayer was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto
[12:34] <onkarshinde> G2k: Enable multiverse repository in sources.list. This official (but unsupported) Ubuntu repository contains mplayer
[12:34] <nalioth> !info mplayer
[12:34] <G2k> thoreauputic: well yea i did that before
[12:35] <nalioth> !info mplayer-i386
[12:35] <onkarshinde> nalioth: he just needs to enable multiverse
[12:35] <G2k> hrm
[12:35] <nalioth> onkarshinde: i thought so
[12:35] <G2k> well i have to go guys
[12:36] <G2k> but thanks for being so helpful
[12:36] <G2k> ill figure it out
[12:36] <G2k> thnx again
[12:36] <onkarshinde> G2k: Check my message again.
[12:36] <znh> gzip returned error code (1) (while doing apt-get update)
[12:36] <sam_> what can i do if i started a program in a shell without a & at the end and want to regain control of the shell without exiting the program?
[12:36] <znh> sam_: use screen :)
[12:36] <nalioth> sam_: end the command with a &
[12:37] <thoreauputic> sam_: ctrl+z then type bg
[12:37] <samuelk> i so hope that UT2004 dont lagg on linux
[12:37] <znh> samuelk: It does for me..
[12:38] <onkarshinde> znh: which repository are you using? What do you want to install?
[12:38] <samuelk> mutch
[12:38] <nalioth> sam_: use 'screen' here is a howto (at the bottom) http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/07/06/unix_gems.html
[12:38] <sam_> thoreauputic, thanks, what does bg do though?
[12:38] <samuelk> i tried wesnoth yesterday and it lagged....
[12:38] <znh> onkarshinde: just the archives, I commeted the backports ares already
[12:38] <nalioth> sam_: bg is "background"
[12:38] <samuelk> even if i have installed nvidia driver
[12:38] <thoreauputic> sam_: backgrounds it - fg foregrounds it again
[12:38] <nalioth> sam_: the "background" is where programs go when you start them with a & suffix
[12:39] <onkarshinde> znh: Try apt-get update again. It is possible that the Packages.gz file was corrupt.
[12:39] <tiglionabbit> background programs run independantly from the terminal window, so you can safely close the terminal.  foreground programs are attached to it, only one can be foreground at a time, and if you close the terminal it goes with it
[12:39] <znh> onkarshinde: It happens for me always.. these two months
[12:39] <samuelk> any one running transparant windows with shadows...s it laggs so bad..
[12:39] <onkarshinde> Has anyone tried running Ubuntu on Bochs?
[12:40] <sam_> ah, that explains some of it. thanks.
[12:40] <nalioth> onkarshinde: no, because i feel i'd need a 12-way cluster to get anywhere with it
[12:40] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: try qemu
[12:42] <onkarshinde> thoreauputic: I am on windows. And Qemu's site points to some third site for Windows binay. That third site is now closed.
[12:42] <nalioth> onkarshinde: windoze? whats that?
[12:42] <tiglionabbit> !windows
[12:42] <ubotu> it has been said that windows is Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[12:43] <peterretief> !seen windows
[12:43] <ubotu> peterretief: i haven't seen 'windows'
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: so you really don't mind my loading the bot up with !s ?
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> lol peterretief
[12:43] <thoreauputic> !seen anything
[12:43] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: as long as the info is readable and understandable and revelent
[12:43] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'anything', thoreauputic
[12:44] <thoreauputic> well, that's comforting
[12:44] <jules_> How do I log in as root with Ubuntu as using the word root doesnt seem to work?
[12:45] <tiglionabbit> jules_: use sudo instead
[12:45] <deFrysk> jules_, sudo -s
[12:45] <onkarshinde> Come on guys. I am at my office. And there are still many offices that use Windows though there is no functional dependency on platform
[12:45] <thoreauputic> !rootsudo
[12:45] <ubotu> I heard rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:45] <nalioths_dog> jules_: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:45] <jules_> Thanks
[12:45] <nalioth> onkarshinde: bochs is kinda slow, imho
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> jules_: it is unsafe to run your xserver as root.  Bad things can happen..  I think.  But ubuntu has a "root terminal" in applications -> system tools, and you can sudo things too
[12:46] <onkarshinde> nalioth: Bochs doesn't boot Ubuntu at all. Not even Knoppix.
[12:46] <nalioth> onkarshinde: so it's reallly slow, lol
[12:46] <nalioth> onkarshinde: get your boss to spring for vmware or virtual pc
[12:47] <chrissturm> printing from firefox and epiphany doenst work. what can be the reason? i can only print from internet exploerer right now (cxoffice)
[12:47] <nalioth> onkarshinde: or better yet, persuade him to switch the userspace over to ubuntu
[12:47] <onkarshinde> nalioth: Can't do. Instead I will choose to make my system with double boot. Or rather dump Windows if there is no need in my new project.
[12:48] <onkarshinde> nalioth: Like I did at my home. Goodbye Windows XP. Hello Ubuntu
[12:48] <nalioth> onkarshinde: if your office allows, it a dual boot is great (then you can use qemu)
[12:48] <nikkia> nalioth: best excuse i found to get my boss to pay for vmware, was to point out that we develop for different versions of windows, and its easier to test something works under NT, 98, 2k, XP, XP-embedded, by running it in vmware :)
[12:48] <nalioth> there are all kinds of mind-tricks to use on bosses
[12:48] <onkarshinde> nikkia: That was the collest idea.
[12:49] <onkarshinde> nikkia: I mean coolest
[12:49] <nikkia> onkarshinde: i also pointed out that it would present some solutions to long-term problems we have with upgrading other developer's desktops, but that plan hasn't happened yet
[12:49] <goliat> hello there
[12:49] <goliat> is there a way that makes me install kernel 2.0 on ubunto
[12:50] <nikkia> onkarshinde: that problem being that some of the toolchains we use haven't been updated since god-knows-when and still rely on versions of cygwin that run on 98-only, and upgrading the host to XP causes the toolchain to break
[12:50] <thoreauputic> goliat: since kernel 2 was old in 1999, not really
[12:50] <Will__> I like vmware.
[12:50] <nikkia> onkarshinde: so we have developers stuck on '98 machines that reboot numerous times a day, i tried to point out that buying copies of vmware and running 98 in a VM would be more effective
[12:51] <goliat> i need it so i can setup my penta
[12:51] <yonil> im trying to install a package (vlc) and it wont install cause of a md5checksum mismatch ... what can i do ?
[12:51] <thoreauputic> goliat: penta?
[12:51] <onkarshinde> nikkia: At least I am using Win2K. But I am sure I will switch FC 4 or Ubuntu if I can in my next project
[12:52] <nalioth> yonil: the repos are wonky atm
[12:52] <thoreauputic> yonil: you are using the us archives, right? if so, edit them and change to plain archive.ubuntu
[12:52] <goliat> Pent@net DVB card
[12:52] <nalioth> onkarshinde: use ubuntu, not fc4
[12:52] <nalioth> onkarshinde: RPMs make me ill
[12:52] <nikkia> nalioth: i felt ill yesterday...
[12:53] <yonil> thoreauputic, yes i am, ill try it
[12:53] <thoreauputic> goliat: kernel 2.0 is ancient history
[12:53] <nikkia> nalioth: some sister company has bought a redhat server running EE to run j2ee...
[12:53] <nikkia> nalioth: sun have stupidly linked the j2ee installer against C++ and the ABI on a brand new RHEE box doesn't match the ABI sun used
[12:53] <onkarshinde> nalioth: I really liked the speed improvement in Hoary over Warty. And since I am having 1GB RAM with Intel 2.8 GHz it will be blazing fast
[12:54] <lesshaste> any plugins to get bittorrent to work with firefox?
[12:54] <nikkia> nalioth: i couldn't really help him, i mean, what can i say? 'sorry, sun are idiots'
[12:54] <nalioth> nikkia: aint corporate-think wonderful?
[12:55] <nikkia> all i could suggest was trying the unbundled version of j2ee and hope that it doesn't rely on a C++ installer, failing that, 'talk to sun'
[12:55] <teleyinex> hi
[12:55] <yonil> thoreauputic, what happend to the us archives ?
[12:55] <nalioth> yonil: they are having a little problem, atm
[12:55] <thoreauputic> yonil: I don't know - but people are having issues with them
[12:56] <nalioth> teleyinex: good morning (from where i'm sitting)
[12:56] <teleyinex> good morning
[12:57] <nalioth> thoreauputic: had sporadic reports of gb doin it to yesterday for a bit
[12:58] <thoreauputic> nalioth: well, given the events in the uk I guess traffic was pretty heavy all round for a while
[12:58] <nikkia> nalioth: not really surprising, UK networks went a bit flakey yesterday
[12:58] <nikkia> lots of people were seeing dropped packets and huge lags
[12:58] <IceDC571> ahh.. i love light weight apps :)
[12:59] <kzm> Which BT client is recommended?  Anything I should be aware of?
[01:00] <nalioth> kzm: if you have a powerful machine, use azureus
[01:00] <Hieronymus> kzm, Gnometorrent will do the job
[01:00] <scanwinder> does anyone know a boot manager that will let me boot from a cd on my old laptop which doesent have support for booting from cd?
[01:00] <bimberi> kzm: Gnome Bittorrent comes with the basic install
[01:00] <nalioth> kzm: that is because java sucks the life out of resources
[01:00] <Hieronymus> Azureus requires Java
[01:00] <Hieronymus> !javatrap
[01:00] <ubotu> No idea, Hieronymus
[01:00] <nightswim> scanwinder: perhaps grub
[01:01] <kzm> E: Couldn't find package azureus
[01:01] <lesshaste> scanwinder, I think it is possible but you will have to use a bootloader on a floppy or hard drive to do it
[01:01] <kzm> I've used gnome-bt, yes.
[01:01] <lesshaste> scanwinder, i.e. it will not boot straight from the cd technically
[01:01] <nalioth> thoreauputic: i'm surprised there isnt a floppy boot image on the ubuntu installer
[01:01] <lampshade> anyone in here done a USB wireless device with ubuntu?  does it work off the bat?
[01:01] <kzm> Speed is very slow at the start, but tends to pick up.  I assume that's the same with any client?
[01:01] <lesshaste> wireless bats ? :)
[01:01] <nalioth> kzm: yes
[01:01] <nikkia> lampshade: i use a wireless keyboard/mouse pair on kubuntu, is that close enough ?
[01:02] <nalioth> kzm: have you read how the bittorrent works?
[01:02] <scanwinder> lesshaste: how do i install it to a floppy?
[01:02] <nikkia> or did you mean USB 802.11* ?
[01:02] <thoreauputic> nalioth: true that - although some 2.6 kernels won't fit on a floppy I seem to recall
[01:02] <lesshaste> scanwinder, can you really not just install something on the hard drive? It will be simpler
[01:02] <thoreauputic> nalioth: ah scratch that - i misread
[01:02] <lesshaste> scanwinder, do you have an OS on the hard drive?
[01:03] <scanwinder> lesshaste: nope....i want to boot of a debian install cd
[01:03] <serengeti> hi :) I have 3 ubuntu computers here at home and I've come up with an idea to sync my dad's profiles on all the machines so no matter which one he chooses to use, he'll have the same desktop and files and settings
[01:03] <serengeti> I think rsync is the way to go
[01:03] <lampshade> nikkia: not really,  I was talking like the new 802.11 devices, yeah.  That are just little usb rings.  Then I could put this one ubuntu box upstairs and in this other room and still have net
[01:03] <nalioth> scanwinder: if you want debian, then go to debian.org and d/l the floppy boot image(s)
[01:03] <nikkia> serengeti: if they're networked, wouldn't using a network share for the home directory be easier ?
[01:03] <scanwinder> nalioth: thanks, i will try that
[01:03] <kzm> nalioth, only cursory.  I expect it needs time to start swapping with neighbors (or whatever the terminology is)
[01:03] <lesshaste> scanwinder, I understand that. But do you have an OS on the hard drive at all?
[01:03] <luzbelito> hi, pls help. how can i copy one user profile (desktop, icons, bookmarks, etc) to another one??????
[01:04] <serengeti> nikkia: but then one of the computers'd have to be on all the time
[01:04] <nalioth> scanwinder: if you want ubuntu, go to debian and d/l the woody floppy boot images
[01:04] <bimberi> serengeti: "unison" is another option worth exploring
[01:04] <nikkia> yeah, unison is nice, better than rsync, IMO
[01:04] <lesshaste> zsync is cool too
[01:04] <serengeti> bimberi: haven't heard of it gotta check it out :)
[01:05] <Hieronymus> luzbelito, the configuration files in user's home directory (the hidden '.' files, visible after pressing ctrl-h)
[01:05] <bimberi> serengeti: in a universe repo near you :)
[01:05] <scanwinder> lesshaste: nope its got no OS on it rite now
[01:06] <othernoob> a pc with no OS is like a woman with clothes on - not useable
[01:06] <lesshaste> scanwinder, hmm... ok. how did it get in that state out of interest? :)
[01:06] <nalioth> scanwinder: you can install a minimal woody, change the sources.list to ubuntu sources and install ubuntu that way
[01:07] <vi4m> hello, i have nautilus 2.10.0-0ubuntu9, that simply crashes after startup, known problem ? the same problem with gnome-panel 2.10.1-0ubuntu1
[01:07] <scanwinder> nalioth: where do i find the floppies?
[01:07] <serengeti> but there's one problem - it's not good to simply sync all of the home dir because then all the .lock files will be in place. I think I'll have to check which files needs to be excluded from syncing not to lock the whole profile :)
[01:07] <thoreauputic> othernoob: hrmph... maybe time to read the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, eh ?
[01:07] <scanwinder> nalioth: all i can find is cd images
[01:07] <nalioth> scanwinder: follow the 'get debian' links and look for netinst floppy images
[01:07] <nalioth> scanwinder: make sure you get woody images
[01:07] <othernoob> thoreauputic: there's a code of conduct...
[01:08] <thoreauputic> !conduct
[01:08] <ubotu> well, conduct is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[01:08] <nalioths_dog> othernoob: Please keep the code of conduct in mind when chatting here. You can find it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[01:08] <bimberi> serengeti: you can configure unison to exclude particular files/dirs
[01:08] <nalioth> boy, that dog is slow
[01:08] <samuelk> heh
[01:08] <bimberi> nalioth: need to feed him more :)
[01:08] <scanwinder> nalioth: yeh it only has 16mb ram so woody is the latest version that would work - it only need 12mb
[01:08] <thoreauputic> nalioth: you need a Greyhound ;)
[01:09] <othernoob> thoreauputic: i don't see how i disrespected any computer ;)
[01:09] <nalioth> scanwinder: wow! you'll be using a lightweight wm in ubuntu, then
[01:09] <bimberi> or her
[01:09] <scanwinder> nalioth: oh yeh, was thinkin fluxbox
[01:10] <luzbelito> how can i copy hidden files in terminal with cp command ???
[01:10] <serengeti> bimberi thanks I looked at their web page and it seems unison is the way to go :)
[01:10] <bimberi> serengeti: yw :)
[01:14] <sinferno> hey is there a way to kill gdesklets without having to click on them
[01:14] <sinferno> i have a profile with so many running that it wont run more and it wont show them on the desktop
[01:14] <thoreauputic> sinferno: killall gdesklets in a terminal should do it I gues
[01:14] <thoreauputic> *guess
[01:15] <deFrysk> and remove  .gdesklets
[01:15] <sinferno> nope
[01:15] <sinferno> didnt work
[01:15] <thoreauputic> sinferno: try sudo pkill gdesklets
[01:16] <arangel> I get this after upgrading woody to sarge "logcheck should not be run as root", but when I try to execute it with sudo or su I get the same thing, i also need logchek to run in a cron job, but I can
[01:16] <arangel> I get this after upgrading woody to sarge "logcheck should not be run as root", but when I try to execute it with sudo or su I get the same thing, i also need logchek to run in a cron job, but I can't even run it manually, Can anyone help?
[01:16] <thoreauputic> I personally recommend ' sudo apt-get remove --purge gdesklets ' but whatever...
[01:16] <Hieronymus> arangel: *not* as root
[01:16] <sinferno> nope
[01:16] <sinferno> didnt work
[01:16] <arangel> Hieronymus, i tried as a user with sudo, but that doesn't work either
[01:18] <thoreauputic> sinferno:  ps aux | grep gdesklets  and see if you can kill the processes then
[01:18] <sinferno> its ok
[01:18] <sinferno> im uninstalling
[01:18] <sinferno> i decided i didnt want gdesklets
[01:18] <sinferno> lol
[01:19] <thoreauputic> gdesklets are resource hogs...
[01:19] <sinferno> i know
[01:19] <jluk_> hello world
[01:19] <sinferno> i installed just to play with them for a sec
[01:19] <inemo> hey jluk_
[01:20] <feedback> mjr: ok, i successfully upgraded to amd64:)
[01:21] <samuelk> yay
[01:22] <anatole> could anyone help with setting up a transparent xterm?
[01:23] <Hieronymus> anatole: in the settings
[01:23] <feedback> anatole: i don't think that xterm allows that, unless you play with xcomposite, eterm should do the trick though.
[01:23] <Hieronymus> gnome-terminal lets you do that
[01:23] <anatole> i have a transparent eterm
[01:23] <feedback> [and gnome-terminal too] 
[01:23] <anatole> its just that it does not accept accented characters
[01:23] <feedback> btw it's not real transparency by now.
[01:24] <anatole> which sucks when using grep
[01:24] <feedback> anatole: well.
[01:24] <feedback> that is a problem that you'd have to fix :)
[01:24] <anatole> :)
[01:25] <thoreauputic> anatole: xterm doesn't do transparency - eterm, aterm do but don't support utf-8, and gnome terminal does transparency and utf-8 but is a slow starter - take your pick ;)
[01:26] <anatole> :|
[01:26] <asad2k5> I tried installing breezy install amd64 on amd64 3200, base system installs ok but end of copying packages to hard drive the system hangs. Is there a work around
[01:26] <anatole> i would use gnome terminal
[01:26] <gm78> thoreauputic, i just tried eterm with transparency, doesnt work so well, i had it on top of xchat and it showed the desktop through the terminal
[01:26] <anatole> if i could make it borderless
[01:26] <anatole> gm78: that's how this kind of transparency should work
[01:26] <thoreauputic> gm78: it's only pseudo transparency, yes
[01:27] <gm78> thoreauputic, is there any way to make it so it shows the application behind it, does gnome-terminal do that?
[01:27] <samuelk> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/447 any one know how to fix this ut2004 error?
[01:28] <feedback> asad2k5: i did it yesterday ^^
[01:28] <feedback> well
[01:28] <feedback> i used the network install
[01:28] <thoreauputic> gm78: no, that's an X thing - xorg can do it with composite I think, but it's still experimental AFAIK
[01:28] <feedback> samuelk: it's a glx problem
[01:28] <feedback> you have to enable glx :)
[01:28] <gm78> thoreauputic, ah, alright
[01:28] <feedback> video card?
[01:28] <samuelk> in the xorg.conf file?
[01:29] <gm78> samuelk, which driver version do u have installed?
[01:29] <gm78> samuelk, the one that ships with ubuntu?
[01:29] <asad2k5> feedback, what difference does it make network or CD
[01:29] <samuelk> i installed the one from apt-get
[01:30] <gm78> samuelk, did u enable it in ur xorg.conf file?
[01:30] <samuelk> dont think so..
[01:30] <samuelk> where is xorg.conf file?
[01:30] <gm78> samuelk, just opened a private chat with u
[01:30] <gm78> samuelk, ill show u how to do it there
[01:30] <thoreauputic> samuelk: /etc/X11/
[01:31] <samuelk> ok
[01:31] <feedback> asad2k5: you install all the packages afterwards :) that's the difference
[01:31] <feedback> samuelk: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:32] <chez> hi guys, got a question I have a blog running on a linux box, how can I can access this using the full external ip without going through a prxy? - possible
[01:33] <asad2k5> feedback, I mean in my case, why it hangs all the pakages are copied to hard disk but installer seems failing to go next step
[01:33] <chez> obviously the blog is running on apache, wordpress it is infact
[01:33] <asad2k5> feedback, Do i have to disable power management
[01:36] <onkarshinde> anyone using Ubuntu on HP laptop?
[01:37] <brad> i used to
[01:37] <brad> then i got a 100000 times better thinkpad
[01:37] <onkarshinde> brad: any thing that didn't work? What was status of Modem?
[01:39] <Shufla> hello. I'm favourably shocked with Ubuntu foundation :)
[01:39] <brad> onkarshinde: it was a zv5000 and more stuff worked than with any other distro....i had broadcom wifi and it was crap with linux in general, and i havent used a modem since 99...lol
[01:40] <brad> onkarshinde: ubuntu actually let me have my 1280x800 res out of the box! and when i ebayed the laptop i sold it with ubuntu on it :)
[01:40] <onkarshinde> brad: Thanks. I am planning to buy an HP laptop soon (just because I am getting it cheap). So wanted to know what all works.
[01:40] <brad> onkarshinde: what model are you gettin?
[01:40] <samuelk> okey here again
[01:41] <onkarshinde> brad: Nx6120
[01:41] <Groverman> hi everyone
[01:42] <samuelk> hey where are you--
[01:42] <Groverman> Is there a BeOS lookalike theme for Metacity? Like Beos5 PE. Not Wasp theme.
[01:43] <nomed> hi all
[01:43] <Groverman> hi nomed
[01:43] <samuelk> okey glxgears still not working..
[01:43] <nomed> in debian there is a file called pmount.allow
[01:44] <nomed> that let u pmount not-remov devices .. like /dev/hda1
[01:44] <nomed> is it possible in hoary ..
[01:44] <brad> onkarshinde: i have no idea about the pci-express "based" intel 900 gfx chip, thats all i see that i dont think will work...IF thats the trim level you are buying
[01:44] <Groverman> nomed, pmount does exist in hoary
[01:45] <nomed> Groverman, i mean pmount.allow .. it doesn'exist
[01:46] <nomed> in pmount.allow it's possible to make a list of devices like /dev/hda1 /dev/hda3 that parmits pmount to mount them ...
[01:46] <valery> ol
[01:46] <Groverman> nomed, if you have a look at man pmount you will see that you give users permission by group
[01:47] <Groverman> nomed, maybe you can attach that group to the device you want to allow...?
[01:47] <onkarshinde> brad: Lets see. I will first try Ubuntu Live on it. Then I will make it dual boot. Once I know how to make everything work. Then I will dump Win XP Pro.
[01:48] <brad> onkarshinde: thats a good idea :)
[01:50] <nikkia> brad, from what i've seen, the i900 graphics is 'ok'
[01:51] <onkarshinde> brad: I found a page on Ubuntu site that tells which laptop (and what components) will work in Ubuntu. It mentions Nx6110 & that Broadcom and card reader won't work. I didn't see mention of Nx6120. Are Nx6120 and Nx6110 same in config?
[01:53] <brad> nikkia, onkarshinde: im not sure if they are the same, most of the time its a cpu/a few components changed. broadcom is annoying and i didnt know the card reader was installed in that model. the version i looked at on the i-net had ipw2200 in it and that works fine (you can always change it)
[01:54] <nikkia> brad, i wouldn't say ipw2x00 works 'fine', personally
[01:54] <digitalfox|sleep> uh
[01:54] <digitalfox|sleep> it does
[01:54] <digitalfox|sleep> hte ipw2200 works great
[01:54] <nikkia> digitalfox|sleep: then why doesn't WEP work on my ipw2200 card ?
[01:54] <digitalfox|sleep> dunno! WEP works fine here
[01:55] <digitalfox|sleep> haven't tried it under Ubuntu yet, maybe the version packaged with it is broken
[01:55] <nikkia> digitalfox|sleep: it only works with 128-bit wep, 64/40 bit doesn't work, at all
[01:55] <brad> nikkia: ok, i can say that i 50/50 agree with you......it for me at least with ubuntu it works great out of the box.....fedora on the other hand :/
[01:55] <digitalfox|sleep> I used WEP all the time under Gentoo with it
[01:56] <samuelk> can someone help me with this problem: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/447
[01:56] <brad> bbl
[01:57] <Groverman> samuelk, do you have Load "glx" in your xorg.conf file?
[01:58] <samuelk> yes i have---
[01:58] <digitalfox|sleep> nikkia, I used 64 bit WEP on this when I was using a secured WAP at school
[01:58] <samuelk> the one who is there is old
[01:58] <nikkia> digitalfox|sleep: well, it doesn't work for me
[01:58] <digitalfox|sleep> we used 64 bit primarily because I had a PDA wifi card that could only handle 64
[01:58] <digitalfox|sleep> are you sure you aren't on an ipw2100?
[01:58] <nikkia> digitalfox|sleep: it claims to be connected to the WAP, but no data gets thru
[01:58] <digitalfox|sleep> have you tried setting the WEP key manually?
[01:58] <nikkia> yes
[01:58] <digitalfox|sleep> weird
[01:59] <chez> Can someone tell me a nice pcmia wireless card, preferably with a prism 2 chip that I can use on my viao running ubutu?
[01:59] <samuelk> groverman any clue?
[01:59] <Groverman> samuelk, i was thinking.... what does glxinfo say?
[02:00] <samuelk> "GLX"missing
[02:00] <Groverman> so X has not loaded it
[02:00] <Groverman> what video-card you got?
[02:00] <samuelk> ti 4200
[02:01] <samuelk> i will post my new xorg.conf
[02:01] <samuelk> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/449
[02:02] <samuelk> my xx.von
[02:02] <samuelk> any help for you?
[02:04] <Groverman> samuelk, looks fine. have you installed nvidia-glx ?
[02:04] <samuelk> yes i have
[02:05] <samuelk> installed version 1.0.7174-0ubuntu1
[02:05] <Groverman> samuelk, then i have no clue. had a friend with ti4200 that worked good after nvidia-glx was installed... hmmm
[02:05] <copap|ikser> Does Ubuntu 5.04 Support Serial ATA? I had many problems with Suse and Debian
[02:05] <samuelk> well... i will try to fix it later gtg afk
[02:06] <Groverman> samuelk, wait
[02:06] <samuelk> okey..
[02:06] <Groverman> samuelk, did you do "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" ?
[02:06] <samuelk> dont think so..
[02:06] <Groverman> samuelk, it need to be enabled to work
[02:07] <samuelk> Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[02:07] <samuelk> thats good?
[02:08] <Groverman> samuelk, probably. try to restart the computer (or ctrl+alt+backspace?
[02:08] <Groverman> samuelk, probably. try to restart the computer (or ctrl+alt+backspace)
[02:08] <deFrysk> samuelk, read your xorg.conf about what to do after manulally editing it
[02:08] <digitalfox|sleep> Ubuntu needs a graphical setup tool for the xorg.conf
[02:09] <samuelk> is it said that to in there
[02:09] <samuelk> afk now..
[02:09] <samuelk> gtg eating..
[02:09] <deFrysk> digitalfox|sleep, why ?
[02:09] <digitalfox|sleep> because the average user should never have to touch it
[02:10] <digitalfox|sleep> I'm a Unix purist at heart but I don't think my grandmother should have to edit config files :(
[02:10] <deFrysk> dpkg-reconfigure does the trick fine ;)
[02:10] <digitalfox|sleep> grandma shouldn't have to run some weird thing from a commandline
[02:10] <deFrysk> digitalfox|sleep, whatever
[02:11] <digitalfox|sleep> can one change color depth without restarting X?
[02:11] <digitalfox|sleep> *ponders*
[02:13] <tommy> can any1 help me out?? havin a bit of trouble installin mplayer
[02:14] <usual> no big deal to restart X
[02:14] <usual> ctrl-alt-bksp
[02:15] <thoreauputic> tommy: I think you'll need to be a bit more specific...
[02:17] <Gourami> is there supposed to be a man for clamav ? I get no entry
[02:18] <deFrysk> clamscan
[02:18] <deFrysk> iIrc
[02:18] <Gourami> thanks
[02:18] <tommy> ok... im usin the latest amd64 release of ubuntu, i have tried "apt-get install mplayer-amd64" some of the packages download then there is a MDsum error
[02:19] <thoreauputic> ah .. amd64 ... can't help then - maybe someone running amd64
[02:19] <digitalfox|sleep> ARGH. why on earth is this becoming a problem >.<
[02:19] <tommy> i think it could be the repos
[02:19] <digitalfox|sleep> a lot of KDE-related packages aren't in the repositories
[02:20] <Riddell> digitalfox|sleep: what isn't there?
[02:20] <bimberi> tommy: yes it probably is the repos - try switching, say to uk.archive.ubuntu.com
[02:21] <digitalfox|sleep> okay...
[02:21] <digitalfox|sleep> here is what it is trying to install
[02:21] <tommy> i downloaded it the other day fine but then had 2 reformat and install ubuntu again but 2day not havin it..... will try the changin 2 uk now tho
[02:21] <flyerman> did someone run eve online on linux?
[02:21] <bimberi> tommy: there has been problems with the us repos for the last day or so
[02:21] <digitalfox|sleep> ark, atlantik atlanticdesigner kde-core kdeaddons kdeaddons-kfile-plugins kdeadmin kdebase kdeprint kfind knewsticker-scripts konq-plugins konqueror kuser psutils
[02:22] <digitalfox|sleep> it gets some of these
[02:22] <digitalfox|sleep> okay
[02:22] <digitalfox|sleep> I get md5sum mismatches on ark, atlantik psutils kfind kdeaddons-kfile-plugins knewsticker-scripts and kuser
[02:23] <flyerman> does someoen has a repo for gaim 1.4?
[02:23] <digitalfox|sleep> is there any way I can force it to ignore MD5sums?
[02:23] <digitalfox|sleep> or rebuild them?
[02:23] <Riddell> digitalfox|sleep: md5sum issues are a currently problem with the archives, try a different mirror (de.ubuntu, uk.ubuntu etc)
[02:23] <tommy> that might be the reason then
[02:23] <bimberi> digitalfox|sleep: could the same issue as tommy - try switching repos
[02:23] <digitalfox|sleep> is there a ca. ?
[02:24] <bimberi> digitalfox|sleep: yes
[02:24] <thoreauputic> digitalfox|sleep: same machine as us AFAIK
[02:24] <Corical> ciao
[02:25] <digitalfox|sleep> thanks!
[02:25] <digitalfox|sleep> :D
[02:25] <tommy> thats it then the us repos are facked
[02:26] <NoHope> hi all
[02:26] <digitalfox|sleep> yep
[02:26] <digitalfox|sleep> apparently
[02:26] <virtuald> is there a way to access the wiki without tls/ssl? links2 in ubuntu isn't linked with the ssl libs
[02:26] <bimberi> tommy: atm - yes
[02:26] <tommy> well bein in the uk doesnt it make sense 2 get stuff from uk repos??
[02:27] <bimberi> tommy: too right - no use in wearing out those undersea cables :)
[02:28] <deFrysk> are there also oversea cables then ?
[02:28] <digitalfox|sleep> I'm in the us sadly  :(
[02:28] <tommy> anyway cheers 4 the help guys.... laters
[02:28] <digitalfox|sleep> bye
[02:29] <NoHope> I have some questions about Ubuntu...
[02:29] <digitalfox|sleep> NoHope, Re:?
[02:29] <NoHope> Is GNOME-based, but is it possible to install Qt and KDE?
[02:29] <mjr> NoHope, of course
[02:29] <digitalfox|sleep> yes
[02:29] <digitalfox|sleep> Kubuntu
[02:29] <digitalfox|sleep> look it up
[02:29] <deFrysk> NoHope, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:30] <NoHope> I prefer GNOME, but I'll try to develop some Qt applications...
[02:30] <mjr> NoHope, in fact, there's the Kubuntu project, which uses KDE by default, but you can also install regular Ubuntu and then add the kubuntu-desktop package for a full KDE installation
[02:30] <digitalfox|sleep> I've heard Qt is easier to code for than GTK
[02:30] <mjr> digitalfox|sleep, I've heard that too, but I'd guess it's largely due to people comparing the GTK C api to Qt ;)
[02:30] <NoHope> I'd downloaded the install CD but I didn't install yet... Does it comes with: perl? php? apache? python? tcl/tk? anjuta? glade?
[02:30] <digitalfox|sleep> true :p
[02:31] <NoHope> mjr, I don't know what is better to my purposes: GTK and Qt.
[02:31] <digitalfox|sleep> NoHope, the install CD comes with perl I'm nearly positive
[02:31] <mjr> I mean, it's nice for portability and bindability that the GTK API is C, but if you're sane, you can still program GTK software with some nicer language (Python, Java, whatever)
[02:31] <digitalfox|sleep> dunno about apache and php
[02:31] <digitalfox|sleep> brb
[02:31] <mjr> NoHope, right; well, the important thing is that you can easily have both in ubuntu
[02:32] <mjr> s/in/on/
[02:32] <NoHope> mjr. It's good.
[02:32] <NoHope> ***ON*** ubuntu? not ***in*** ubuntu?
[02:32] <G|immer> hello, again
[02:32] <mjr> NoHope, and as for perl, apache and python, I think both are in main. PHP might've been only in the universe repo (but still available), can't check right now
[02:33] <mjr> anjuta and glade are of course available
[02:33] <barosl> hi
[02:33] <Fikrann> Hello all
[02:33] <mjr> NoHope, well, let me rephrase: Ubuntu has supported packages for both gtk and qt :)
[02:34] <barosl> hi
[02:34] <NoHope> mjr, I'm searching a distro to developers. I tried gentoo, but it has a lot of bugs. Slack is so good, but I don't like the package management and some other features.
[02:34] <ElGranAzul> Hi all
[02:34] <NoHope> mrj, Are you a developer? As I said, I'm between GTK and Qt...
[02:34] <ElGranAzul> someone have hylafax running under ubuntu?
[02:35] <ElGranAzul> or could help me, please?
[02:35] <NoHope> Qt team is so good. They have a lot of good applications, like KOffice, knoda, umbrello (it's so better than DIA)
[02:35] <mjr> NoHope, I'm a semi-developer, and I'd use GTK (but not with C, but using some nicer application programming language such as python or java or whatever you like), but I'll admit to some bias against KDE/Qt stuff
[02:35] <virtuald> i want links2 in the next release to have tls/ssl support. where do i ask for it?
[02:35] <chez> Can someone tell me a nice pcmia wireless card, preferably with a prism 2 chip that I can use on my viao running ubutu?
[02:35] <mjr> (heck, even C# ;)
[02:35] <nikkia> NoHope: my only complaint about ubuntu/kubuntu as a developer, is the very very old version of sqlite in hoary, but that will be fixed with breezy
[02:36] <znh> Erm, I did the ubuntu base installation.. and have installed xorg already, but how to install the gnome window manager?
[02:36] <G|immer> i had to shutdown suddenly last time and did not get what ubotu told me about firefox 1.02. can someone help?
[02:36] <Xen1th> Hey i have installed ubuntu and dual booting on this pc but everytime i go start it once i have typed in username and passoword no matter what i select it just freezez, nothing works i have to yank power cable, i can get to the rescue terminal thingy tho, is their anything or any command type thing i could type their that basically kills ubuntu completely and so i could try installing agen?
[02:36] <mjr> znh, if you installed ubuntu and not kubuntu, gnome should be installed by default
[02:36] <mjr> or oh, base installation
[02:36] <znh> mjr: not if you choose the base installation ..
[02:36] <thoreauputic> !firefox
[02:36] <ubotu> rumour has it, firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[02:36] <mjr> znh, install ubuntu-desktop
[02:36] <flyerman> someone with a audigy zs 2 here?
[02:36] <NoHope> nikkia, yap. I have to study it more... GTK vs. Qt... I still am between...
[02:36] <djp> does mutt work straight away for sending email and receiving via an isp?
[02:36] <znh> mjr: I only want gnome
[02:37] <djp> by straight away, i mean under hoary. mutt is installed by default
[02:37] <znh> Does anyone know how to install gnome?
[02:37] <NoHope> Is there a general-programming channel
[02:37] <NoHope> ?
[02:37] <znh> NoHope: no they are specified in several channels
[02:38] <G|immer> strange that vendorSub here says "1.0"
[02:38] <thoreauputic> znh: install ubuntu-desktop
[02:38] <NoHope> znh... ah. thx.
[02:38] <znh> thoreauputic: does that only install gnome?
[02:38] <dhodo> HAIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[02:38] <znh> eh hello dhodo
[02:39] <Xen1th> Hey i have installed ubuntu and dual booting on this pc but everytime i go start it once i have typed in username and passoword no matter what i select it just freezez, nothing works i have to yank power cable, i can get to the rescue terminal thingy tho, is their anything or any command type thing i could type their that basically kills ubuntu completely and so i could try installing agen?
[02:39] <thoreauputic> znh: plus a selection of apps - you could uninstall wj=hat you don't need afterwards I guess
[02:39] <znh> thoreauputic: ah ok
[02:39] <G|immer> is it enought to follow the steps in UbuntuGuid.org to add repositories?
[02:40] <znh> hehe.. my family finnaly lft windows after several crashes
[02:40] <thoreauputic> znh: apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop | less      for more info
[02:41] <znh> thoreauputic: yea it's kinda much.. I wish there was a normal way to install gnome..
[02:41] <znh> just like kde, apt-get install kde..
[02:42] <thoreauputic> znh: I guess if you look at the apt-cache depends you can cherry pick
[02:43] <znh> thoreauputic: true
[02:43] <talat> alo
[02:43] <Hieronymus> alo
[02:44] <znh> alo
[02:44] <talat> naber?
[02:44] <znh> try in english :)
[02:44] <talat> germany?
[02:44] <znh> ich spreche keine deutsch
[02:44] <znh> eh... just did xD
[02:45] <thoreauputic>   /join #ubuntu-de
[02:45] <talat> leider, ich kann nur deutsch sprechen:(
[02:45] <znh> talat: /join #ubuntu-de
[02:46] <talat> danke:)
[02:46] <znh> Scroopy: Hi to austria
[02:46] <znh> talat:bitte
[02:46] <bimberi> G|immer: The repositories in ubuntuguide include backports which is ok for installing packages (that you must have) but not for doing general upgrades
[02:47] <Mez> bimberi, just an FYI: backports are now official :D and will be being added to the ubuntu repositories within the next couple of weeks
[02:47] <Mez> :D
[02:47] <znh> the backports mirrors give me many 404 errors
[02:47] <G|immer> bimberi: ic. thks.
[02:47] <bimberi> Mez: ty :)
[02:47] <Mez> znh - sudo apt-get update
[02:48] <znh> Mez: i'm not that stupid ;)
[02:48] <G|immer> btw, is there a PHP4 package for Ubuntu?
[02:48] <bimberi> G|immer: There's a (currently) recommended sources.list at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[02:48] <Mez> znh: what are you getting 404s on and what mirror are you using?
[02:48] <Aragorn_Guardian> hi all
[02:49] <znh> Mez: not using backports currently, but it happend with many packages such as xfce4
[02:49] <Mez> znh :D that should be fixed
[02:49] <znh> Mez: yea
[02:52] <znh> `oh oh.. transfering a new gigabyte of data to my harddisk -_-
[02:52] <G|immer> znh: :-O
[02:52] <znh> hey what do I see.. is vnc(viewer/server) default in ubuntu-desktop?
[02:53] <Fikrann> znh, vncviewer is.
[02:53] <znh> awesome!
[02:53] <Fikrann> znh, as for server, I'm not sure.
[02:53] <znh> server isn't, just checked but that the viewer is default is really cool
[02:54] <znh> Hmm can anyone suggest me what resources are required for vncserver with many connections (think about ~5)
[02:55] <Fikrann> znh, fast connection
[02:56] <thoreauputic> znh: if you are into remote graphical stuff you should check out freeNX by the way (*much* better than plain vnc)
[02:56] <znh> Fikrann: yea okay that's no problem, it's in a local network
[02:56] <znh> thoreauputic: I'll check that out!
[02:56] <G|immer> after i updated the repository lists from ubuntuguide.org, and did an 'apt-get update', why i now get 2 'W: Couldn't stat source package' erros in Synaptic?
[02:57] <Fikrann> znh, besides that I think it would be as heavy as ordinary X session.
[02:57] <jerome__> salut  tous
[02:57] <Hieronymus> jerome__: francais: #ubuntu-fr
[02:58] <znh> Fikrann: that's true, two users using gnome takes about 700 Megs of ram (they would use firefox, and amsn)
[02:58] <znh> so it has to be at least one gig of ram
[02:58] <Fikrann> znh, most of that are buffers.
[02:59] <znh> Fikrann: jup, but all buffered ram won't be used for other programs
[02:59] <Fikrann> znh, besides, you stated 'vnc server with multiple connections' not 'multiple vnce sessions'
[02:59] <Fikrann> }:>
[02:59] <comadreja> (ws 5
[03:00] <znh> hehe your sharp :)
[03:00] <znh> but indeed, it are multipile vnce sessoins
[03:00] <G|immer> is it a bad thing to install upgrades that Synaptic says "can't be authenticated"??
[03:00] <znh> G|immer: not really
[03:01] <znh> G|immer: It just means it's not signed
[03:01] <znh> synaptic should explain that..
[03:01] <Fikrann> Indeed it should.
[03:01] <G|immer> znh: thx :) fingers crossed, lol
[03:01] <znh> G|immer: hehe no worries
[03:02] <G|immer> znh: btw, where all the downloaded packaged are saved?
[03:02] <bimberi> G|immer: There have been problems with the "us" repositories.  You could try removing "us." from all entries that have it or use an alternative (such as uk.)
[03:02] <znh> G|immer: hmm.. /var/cache/apt
[03:03] <thoreauputic> G|immer: /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:03] <znh> G|immer: hmm.. /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:03] <znh> <:)
[03:03] <reka> G|immer: what upgrades?  use of BP should be as limited as possible.
[03:03] <G|immer> thx to all. :)
[03:03] <G|immer> reka: huh?!
[03:04] <znh> G|immer: BP = backports
[03:04] <thoreauputic> G|immer: best to limit use of backports ATM
[03:04] <Fikrann> znh, I think a gig of ram, perhaps /home on stripping array (not exactly raid, lvm2 will perform as well) + good cpu.
[03:04] <kvidell> limit the use of backports because of bandwidth, sure.. but there's nothing wrong with it security-wise.
[03:04] <znh> Fikrann: yea, maybe even a dual is required :?
[03:04] <znh> :/
[03:04] <kvidell> It's Marillat you wanna watch out for.
[03:05] <G|immer> znh, thereau: ic. but i am already downloading! lol
[03:05] <Fikrann> znh, I doubt that, only if your users are going to be playing flash games all the time.
[03:06] <znh> Fikrann: It's awesome.. I have a 220mhz laptop connected to my vncserver.. and it's extreamly fast (even on 10mbit)
[03:07] <znh> I think it may be even more cheap to buy several laptops (200mhz like), and one extreamly good server
[03:07] <znh> for e.g. at home
[03:07] <G|immer> this room is great. thumbs up. do u think i get so much help if i were on a windows channel? lol
[03:07] <Fikrann> yes, that's good approach. Now put wlan cards into all of these machines }:>
[03:07] <znh> G|immer: They don't even exist ;)
[03:08] <G|immer> znh: LMAO
[03:08] <kvidell> Glimmer: It's possible. Depends on the group of people. If _I_ were in a windows channel I'd help out as much as possible :-P
[03:08] <G|immer> kvidell: nice :p
[03:08] <znh> kvidell: It would gave me a headache to help people in a window channel.. windows != logical
[03:08] <znh> +s
[03:08] <kvidell> you'll have that ;P
[03:09] <znh> :)
[03:09] <G|immer> it is been years since i used Linux. Teh day before yesterday I installed Ubuntu, and I feel now I am hooked.
[03:09] <din> G|immer, good for you. :)
[03:09] <G|immer> my P3 feels alive again. lol
[03:09] <znh> 'the day before yesterday'... what remindes me with those words :/
[03:09] <kvidell> a movie
[03:09] <znh> yea?
[03:09] <din> i haven't used anything but linux since 1998
[03:09] <kvidell> mmhmm
[03:09] <kvidell> I'm gunna go
[03:09] <reka> a crap movie :)
[03:09] <kvidell> breakfast
[03:09] <kvidell> w00t
[03:10] <kvidell> reka: lol.
[03:10] <znh> lol, haha
[03:10] <Scroopy> anyone here running a SoudBlaster AUdigy 2 ZS on Ubuntu??
[03:10] <znh> kvidell: happy meal
[03:10] <Fikrann> Scroopy, I've been.
[03:10] <Scroopy> Fikrann, you reckon you could help me get mine going?
[03:10] <reka> din: what was your first distro?
[03:11] <G|immer> din: I had RedHat before that date installed on a P233MMX. cannot remember when. hehe
[03:11] <din> reka, redhat 6.1
[03:11] <znh> G|immer: redhat.. that made me think that linux completly sucks
[03:11] <znh> It was even more unstable as windows :D
[03:12] <znh> ok.. nearly
[03:12] <din> then i went to mandrake, then slackware, then debian, then gentoo
[03:12] <din> this box is my first ubuntu
[03:12] <din> pretty much debian though :p
[03:12] <G|immer> znh: at that time, I did not know the whys and hows.. i liked it for as long as it lasted (not long, i have to say. lol)
[03:12] <znh> din: did you like slackware?
[03:12] <din> znh, yeah, slackware was good
[03:13] <znh> G|immer: not long, indeed.. I remember me that too, it screws itself up after a while
[03:13] <din> gentoo is my fav still
[03:13] <din> ubuntu is nice too though
[03:13] <znh> din: I liked gentoo too, but I hated the compiling of every pacakges
[03:13] <din> brb
[03:13] <din> znh, you get used to it
[03:13] <znh> din: time is expensive..
[03:14] <hack_benjamin> right, im needing to get the kernel-sources so i can make menuconfig, hows it done?
[03:14] <spamalope> i dont get why ppl say windows isnt stable
[03:14] <penguin42> I have a rather cosmic question
[03:14] <G|immer> znh: probably those were the reason I left it, too. I cannot really recall the reasons... [CRC error, lol] 
[03:14] <penguin42> How often is the universe updated?
[03:14] <timmy_the_testic> can anyone help me out how would i apt-get akernel so i can make menuconfig it??
[03:14] <spamalope> anyone that know his stuff can run any modern OS well
[03:14] <reka> znh, din: what's the default gentoo DE?
[03:14] <znh> spamalope: Try to use a windows ftp server for 70 days, it won't succeed
[03:14] <hack_benjamin> timmy_the_testic: hack_benjamin right, im needing to get the kernel-sources so i can make menuconfig, hows it done
[03:14] <znh> reka: 'DE' ?
[03:15] <spamalope> i never use a windows box for anything internet facing
[03:15] <reka> penguin42: security updates only
[03:15] <spamalope> but its not because of it not being stable
[03:15] <reka> desktop environment/window manager
[03:15] <znh> spamalope: without internet it's awesome indeed (or local network)
[03:15] <hack_benjamin> timy_the_testicle: what time we going out?
[03:15] <znh> reka: It has no defaults ;)
[03:15] <G|immer> spamalope: i use Win2K Pro on this same P3, and it is great. Many ppl complain about stuff that work with me with no problems. But, the one thing I say is that Ubuntu is WAY faster on my P3 with 256 SDRAM! lol
[03:15] <penguin42> reka: Ah ok, I was wondering if things were added to universe; just hadn't noticed openoffice2 was in universe before
[03:15] <spamalope> i have win2k/2k3 servers that dont never ever crash
[03:15] <penguin42> so - the universe isn't expanding (ahem)
[03:15] <din> znh, there is no default DE
[03:16] <znh> reka: It's like the ubuntu base installation, and everything else you may depend what's being installed
[03:16] <spamalope> same with my linux and bsd boxes
[03:16] <din> you choose your liking
[03:16] <znh> din: I told him that
[03:16] <timmy_the_testic> i know.... b at my work bout 9pm-10pm ish
[03:16] <din> errr sorry
[03:16] <reka> znh, din: ah righto. :)
[03:16] <znh> din: np :)
[03:16] <din> i stepped away from my desk for a sec
[03:16] <din> :)
[03:16] <znh> going to put this harddisk in my dad's box, bye
[03:16] <din> cya
[03:17] <DAWKIRST> Hi people.
[03:17] <timmy_the_testic> can anyone help me out how would i apt-get akernel so i can make menuconfig it??
[03:17] <DAWKIRST> Is there some way I can get windows users to access my files? Samba?
[03:17] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: nod
[03:17] <hack_benjamin> timmy: apt-get install buildessentials bin86 and some other stuff
[03:18] <reka> penguin42: actually, i'm not so sure now. :)
[03:18] <din> http://img91.echo.cx/my.php?image=xfce41lu.jpg <-- my ubuntu box
[03:18] <reka> i recall someone asking how they could add their package to the repo
[03:18] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, any idea how they can get access to mine? Samba?
[03:18] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: Yes, you need to install the samba server on your machine
[03:18] <reka> penguin42: but the answer might have been for inclusion in breezy
[03:18] <reka> i can't remember
[03:18] <penguin42> reka: Hohum
[03:19] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, can you perhaps guide me? I don't know how to install the server.
[03:19] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: Do sudo apt-get install samba  in a shell and carefully answer the config options it gives you
[03:20] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, okay. Just one thing: my synaptic says it is already installed.
[03:20] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: OK, probably just needs configuring and enabling
[03:20] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, perhaps I should just configure it?
[03:20] <penguin42> nod
[03:20] <din> /etc/samba/smb.conf
[03:20] <din> :)
[03:20] <DAWKIRST> ta
[03:20] <din> brb
[03:21] <DAWKIRST> Not working.
[03:21] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, any help configuring Samba?
[03:22] <hack_benjamin> timmy:
[03:22] <timmy_the_testic> yes
[03:22] <hack_benjamin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelByHandHowto
[03:23] <Suepahfly> can anyone tell me how I get dlopen or something?
[03:23] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: First thing is to check it is running
[03:23] <Suepahfly> i need it to compile kvirc
[03:23] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, k, how?
[03:24] <penguin42> OK - before I try and remember the syntax for update-rc.d is there a pretty srevices manager on ubuntu ?
[03:24] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: do  sudo update-rc.d  samba defaults
[03:24] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: and  sudo update-rc.d samba start
[03:24] <ed1t> is there any other package like wine?
[03:24] <reka> penguin42: rcconf perhaps?
[03:24] <reka> ah, no.
[03:25] <penguin42> reka: I was expecting to find one off the system menu somewhere
[03:25] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, seems I don't have it: dawkirst@tarkalin:~$ sudo update-rc.d  samba defaults
[03:25] <DAWKIRST> update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/samba: file does not exist
[03:25] <DAWKIRST> dawkirst@tarkalin:~$
[03:25] <Suepahfly> can anyone tell me how I get dlopen^^
[03:25] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: Can you have a look in /etc/init.d and see if samba or something with a similar name exists - I don't have it installed here
[03:26] <sinferno> whats the cedega command to run in a widnow
[03:26] <penguin42> Suepahfly: 'get' it ?
[03:26] <Trace> hello, does anybody meet the problem sis integrated sound card? 1039:7013
[03:26] <Suepahfly> apt-get can't find it
[03:26] <penguin42> Suepahfly: You don't need to - its in the standard libraries - what you trying to do ?
[03:26] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, yes. I have a folder named Samba in /etc (btw, what does etc stand for?)
[03:26] <Fikrann> Trace, can you tell me which chipset it is integrated into?
[03:26] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: What about in /etc/init.d ?
[03:27] <Mez> If i manually edit my /etc/resolv.conf and restart the etherenet (ifconfig eth0 down) will that work?
[03:27] <Suepahfly> i'm trying to compile kvirc, but it sais it can't find dlopen capabilities
[03:27] <Aragorn_Guardian> how debconf works?
[03:27] <penguin42> Suepahfly: Hmm - it should be in libdl
[03:27] <Aragorn_Guardian> what is exactly for?
[03:27] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, yes, I have /etc/init.d as well...
[03:27] <Fikrann> Mez, you don't need to deconfigure your ethernet device
[03:27] <Mez> Fikrann, why not?
[03:27] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: OK, but do you have anything with a name like samba in /etc/init.d ?
[03:28] <Fikrann> Mez, any change to resolv.conf will be immediately active.
[03:28] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, nope.
[03:28] <Trace> Silicon Integrated System
[03:28] <Suepahfly> id do have /usr/lib/libdl.so so that's correct right?
[03:28] <Fikrann> Trace, which model
[03:28] <Mez> Fikrann, the simple fact is I'm having problems with my Router acting as a DNS proxy which I think I can resolv manually
[03:28] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: Hang on a mo - let me just download and install it
[03:29] <Trace> Sorry, because i don't have this computer, what do you mean , Fikrann?
[03:29] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, ta.
[03:29] <penguin42> timmy_the_testic: Erm your name is rather long - have you erm...thought of ...erm... a castration?
[03:29] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: So /etc/init.d/samba doesn't exist?
[03:30] <Fikrann> Trace, exact chipset model name.
[03:30] <Trace> SiS735 chipset, maybe
[03:30] <timmy_the_testic> nah cos i am a testicle:P
[03:31] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, no.
[03:31] <Trace> i googled this problem, many gays meet this problem
[03:31] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: Hmm then I don't think you have the samba server installed - perhaps you are misreading synaptic - perhaps you just have some client part installed - do   sudo apt-get install samba
[03:31] <Trace> linux 2.6.11 telles me to use snd-intel8x0, it is 1039:7012, but, i can't hear any sound
[03:31] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, right.
[03:32] <din> Trace, have you unmuted the channels?
[03:32] <Trace> no, i am sure.
[03:33] <Trace> when i use i810_audio module, at least, i can hear sound
[03:33] <din> no you haven't unmuted them?
[03:33] <Trace> thouth it isn't drived totally, still some errro.
[03:34] <din> does the intel8x0 even load?
[03:34] <Trace> do you mean snd-intel8x0 or intel8x0?
[03:34] <din> snd-intel8x0
[03:34] <Trace> at first, i load snd-intel8x0, no sound at all
[03:35] <Trace> because /lib/modules/`uname -a`/modules.map tells me 1039:7012 use snd-intel8x0, it doesn't work actually
[03:36] <[2] BoxingFiend> quick questions.. i'm getting all kinda of md5sum error using mirrormax.net for backports and extras, any other suggested site i can use?
[03:36] <Fikrann> Trace, can you see any channels when you run alsamixer?
[03:36] <din> Trace, so you have the channels unmuted when you use the snd-intel8x0 then?
[03:36] <Trace> oh, i don't try it.
[03:36] <Trace> no.
[03:36] <din> Trace, well try
[03:36] <bimberi> [2] BoxingFiend: planetmirror.com
[03:37] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, done. There is now a samba in /etc/init.d
[03:37] <din> remove the i810_audio module
[03:37] <din> and modprobe snd_intel8x0
[03:37] <din> then run alsamixer
[03:37] <Trace> ok, but now i don't in front of that computer, that is a liveCD, so , i don't think it is that problem
[03:37] <din> use "m" to unmute the channels
[03:37] <din> w/e, what would I know
[03:37] <Trace> because this liveCD can make sound in others computer.
[03:38] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: Cool - so now you should find samba is running - you just need to configure it to tell it how to validate users and what bits to let people see
[03:39] <bimberi> [2] BoxingFiend: full url is http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/
[03:39] <Trace> I build a liveCD, and it will play a music when bootup, but in that computer, i can hear nothing.
[03:39] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, ta man. I gtg now. I'll ask again if I encounter any difficulties...
[03:39] <DAWKIRST> Ciao'.
[03:39] <Trace> so, i think it is the problem about sound card driver.
[03:40] <din> Trace, so why are you telling us?
[03:40] <din> fix it then
[03:40] <Trace> Anyway, thx Fikrann, din!!
[03:40] <Trace> I just want to ask anyone know how to fix this problem.
[03:40] <din> unmute the channels so you can hear them??
[03:40] <din> lol
[03:41] <Trace> how to deal with Silicon Integrated System sound card
[03:41] <Trace> no
[03:41] <din> *sigh*
[03:48] <Fikrann> Hey guys, is there any metapackage I could tell a newb to install to get him kernel build enviroinment?
[03:48] <xfSx> ety fueketey fekekek
[03:48] <xfSx> telos aah fixed :)
[03:48] <xfSx> telos so wassup
[03:48] <xfSx> telos bbl; food
[03:48] <xfSx> Stereo 12:20:27          telos |  r0x000r!
[03:48] <xfSx> Stereo 12:20:32          telos |  oh fuck
[03:48] <xfSx> Stereo 12:26:31          telos |  fuckety fueketey fekekek
[03:48] <xfSx> Stereo 12:33:57          telos |  aah fixed :)
[03:48] <xfSx> Stereo 12:34:00          telos |  so wassup
[03:48] <xfSx> Stereo 12:41:11          telos |  bbl; food
[03:48] <xfSx> Stereo the sound of science
[03:49] <xfSx> oops wrong window
[03:49] <xfSx> ;)
[03:49] <Shinjan> hi folks
[03:49] <Groverman> hi Shinjan
[03:49] <Groverman> what's up?
[03:50] <whiprush> Fikrann: build-essential
[03:52] <unimatrix9> hi there
[03:52] <ed1t> hey unimatrix9
[03:52] <lotusleaf> Nermal, O_O
[03:52] <Nermal> aye
[03:52] <Kyral> anyone know why the sound in ZSNES isnt working?
[03:52] <ed1t> how do i install jre on ubuntu?
[03:52] <unimatrix9> the older ubuntu, can you setup smb as easy as in the newer ones?
[03:52] <Suepahfly> so any of you having succesfully installed KVirc?
[03:53] <unimatrix9> you know to share files
[03:53] <ed1t> i know i gotta fakeroot it and stuff
[03:53] <Gourami> which is full access 700 or 750 ? (chmod)
[03:53] <Suepahfly> 777
[03:54] <unimatrix9> just an simple apt-get install samba and klick to share the file, is that also possible on older ubuntu?
[03:54] <Fikrann> whiprush, thank you.
[03:54] <frix_> hi - how can i tell nautilus to use a certain icon for all files with the $certain extension?
[03:54] <reka> Suepahfly: what problems you having?
[03:54] <Gourami> thanks
[03:55] <Suepahfly> can't compile, i get dlopen errors
[03:55] <reka> Suepahfly: hm, it's in the repo.
[03:55] <Gourami> Suepahfly, I have a shared directory (SMB) that I want everyone to be able to read, whats the correct permissions ?
[03:55] <reka> Suepahfly: why not jsut apt-get install
[03:55] <Aragorn_Guardian> penguin42: where i cat get info about this update commands?
[03:56] <Suepahfly> the version in th repo is 2.1.13, the latest stable is 3.2
[03:56] <penguin42> Gourami: You don't need to use the magic numbers - you can do   chmod a+rx directory
[03:56] <penguin42> Aragorn_Guardian: Which update command?
[03:56] <Gourami> penguin42, thats read only correct ?
[03:57] <Aragorn_Guardian> update-rc.d fpr example...
[03:57] <penguin42> Gourami: Nod - read it as a+rx is 'all add read, execute' - now you need 'execute' on a directory to be able to browse it, but not on files
[03:57] <Aragorn_Guardian> not just the man...
[03:58] <siorfin> anyone here have experience with running world of warcraft? i need to know why it runs slow in windowed mode hwen i can run it fine like that in winblows
[03:59] <Gourami> penguin42, can you tell me why I no longer get a password prompt from SAMBA ? I may have changed something in the config
[03:59] <Zukero> hello
[03:59] <penguin42> Aragorn_Guardian: Hmm you know man is good! There is some stuff in /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc that might be useful?
[03:59] <Zukero> anyone here knows if xpde works well under ubuntu ?
[03:59] <penguin42> Gourami: Sorry no
[04:00] <reka> Zukero: do you mean xpdf?
[04:00] <siorfin> anyone with experience running world of warcraft
[04:00] <siorfin> ?
[04:01] <LinuxSword> hehe maybe on wine ;)
[04:01] <siorfin> i have it running on cadega
[04:01] <siorfin> just dunno if there is somethign special i ned to do so it runs faster in windowed mode
[04:01] <penguin42> siorfin: What is cadega ?
[04:02] <Zukero> reka : no xpde Desktop Environment with looks like winXP
[04:02] <siorfin> cadega is a paid version of wine called winex or formerly winex
[04:02] <penguin42> oh ok, the transgaming one?
[04:02] <reka> Zukero: oh
[04:02] <feedback> the name is cEdega, btw
[04:02] <siorfin> yes transgaming
[04:02] <siorfin> whatever, details details
[04:02] <feedback> siorfin: is 3d acceleration/bloody hell/glx/whatever enabled?
[04:03] <siorfin> of course
[04:03] <luzbelito> hi all, i cant see my navigation bar on nautilus. how can i activate it?
[04:03] <siorfin> i only get like 1500 in glxgears and 230 in fgl_glxgears though
[04:03] <Zukero> luzbelito set in preferences, : open in a single window
[04:03] <siorfin> but it runs faster in windowed mode under windows than under ubuntu
[04:04] <reka> luzbelito: it's in prefs > behaviour tab > enable "always open in browser windows"
[04:04] <siorfin> my vid card sucks but it should run faster than it is
[04:04] <siorfin> seems to run bout the same fullscreen as windows but not windowed ;p
[04:05] <Moppin> In my cedega experiance, new games run slower in linus than it does in windows.  I know there is alot of support for WoW in the official transgaming forums.
[04:06] <feedback> luzbelito: there is no navbar unless you use the "browser" mode
[04:06] <Fikrann> Moppin, >any< game will run slower in an emulator than on native platform.
[04:06] <Fikrann> in fact, >any< software run in an emulator will run slower.
[04:06] <znh> Hm.. what's the current suggested sources.list ?
[04:06] <siorfin> winex isnt really an emulator though it is a compatibility layer or so ive read
[04:06] <feedback> Fikrann: the difference between native/emulated starcraft is thin
[04:06] <feedback> really thin
[04:06] <luzbelito> ok wait
[04:06] <siorfin> it runs pretty mcuh the same speed as windows in fullscreen
[04:07] <feedback> siorfin: yep, and in fact it DOES emulate the execution of win32 binaries.
[04:07] <siorfin> just not windowed
[04:07] <reka> znh: well, a sample one can be found here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[04:07] <znh> reka: thanks, was search exatcly that one ;)
[04:07] <znh>  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[04:07] <luzbelito> thankxxx !!!
[04:08] <luzbelito> i just wanna say that ubuntu system and community is the best computer choice !
[04:08] <siorfin> feedback: when I think emulator i think something like ...whats that called win4lin that opens a virtual desktop or whtaever taking more ram, technically i guess you could say ye sit does emulate since it takes native windows calls and translates them for linux use
[04:08] <siorfin> or whatever
[04:09] <siorfin> im ok with running in fullscreen though is rather run windowed if i can speed it up some
[04:09] <luzbelito> question: i wanna import other user bookmarks to my user (root permission). how can i do that ?
[04:09] <siorfin> you need root permissions?
[04:10] <din> luzbelito, as in firefox bookmarks?
[04:10] <G|limmer> guys, i find it strange that Mysic Player and Totem both say i do not have the codec to play mp3 files! is that "normal"?
[04:10] <serengeti> G|limmer yup
[04:10] <feedback> btw, my X fonts are really badly rendered, does anybody know where can I modify fontconfig/defoma/whatever settings?
[04:10] <feedback> maybe through dpkg-reconfigure something
[04:10] <ed1t> does anyone know how to install java runtime?
[04:10] <Kyral> G|limmer, its one of those "issues" that you can solve with the almighty Backports :D
[04:11] <siorfin> i uninstalled totam and installed xmms and mplayer
[04:11] <Kyral> !backports
[04:11] <ubotu> hmm... backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[04:11] <feedback> ed1t: sure, there is a script for that
[04:11] <ed1t> feedback, fakeroot?
[04:11] <G|limmer> serengeti, Kyral: ic.
[04:11] <din> luzbelito, well if you don't mind copying over your root's bookmarks, you can always cp -r /home/(youruser)/.mozilla /root
[04:11] <feedback> ed1t: well. no
[04:11] <feedback> the script uses fakeroot
[04:11] <Kyral> quite easy to fix
[04:11] <feedback> apt-get install java-package i think
[04:11] <ed1t> feedback, i did that
[04:11] <siorfin> has anyone installed autopackage?
[04:11] <serengeti> Glimmer: but you domn't need backports do get mp3 plugin
[04:12] <Kyral> serengeti, I thought you did, oh well, my bad
[04:12] <din> luzbelito, otherwise you can just grab the bookmarks.html file from your ~/.mozilla folder and copy that over
[04:12] <Kyral> !info w32codecs
[04:12] <feedback> ed1t: /usr/lib/java-package or such then.
[04:12] <feedback> there are some script.
[04:12] <feedback> there are some scriptS.
[04:12] <G|limmer> serengeti: am alredy downloading some updates from there. so, where to find the mp3 codec then? and a DivX one if possible...
[04:12] <serengeti> G|limmer you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:12] <ed1t> <3 java
[04:13] <serengeti> I think it's in universe
[04:13] <feedback> :P
[04:13] <Kyral> !info gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:13] <ubotu> gstreamer0.8-mad: (MAD MPEG audio decoder plugin for GStreamer), section universe/libs, is optional. Version: 0.8.8-1ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 49 kB, Installed size: 136 kB
[04:13] <Kyral> ah, I see
[04:13] <Kyral> I killed Gstreamer :P
[04:13] <Kyral> totem-xine :D
[04:13] <G|limmer> serengeti thnks.
[04:14] <G|limmer> Kyral: thanks for the nfo. hehe
[04:14] <serengeti> that's pretty extreme isn't it Kyral ;p
[04:14] <feedback> totem-gstreamer sucks... gstreamer needs a lot of work before it can handle fine video playback
[04:14] <Kyral> anyone know why ZSNES runs with sound when I execute it from command line, yet when I use the entry in my Debian menu, it doesn't?
[04:14] <ed1t> !info java-package
[04:14] <ubotu> java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section multiverse/misc, is optional. Version: 0.23 (hoary), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 264 kB
[04:14] <siorfin> !info java
[04:14] <ed1t> !info jre
[04:14] <ed1t> i need a java runtime
[04:14] <feedback> ed1t: ...
[04:14] <feedback> wait
[04:14] <siorfin> cool ill have to remember that
[04:14] <Kyral> serengeti, I did it to get AVIs to work, and I have never had problems
[04:15] <Fikrann> feedback, to get your fonts better looking edit /etc/fonts/local.conf
[04:15] <feedback> ed1t: ok
[04:15] <serengeti> Kyral I understood you got rid of gstreamer completely
[04:15] <siorfin> !info autopackage
[04:15] <ed1t> nalioth told me how to do fakeroot and stuff last night
[04:15] <reka> ed1t: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[04:15] <feedback> you should go to /usr/share/java-package
[04:15] <ed1t> there
[04:15] <feedback> then
[04:15] <feedback> sudo sh whateveryouwant.sh
[04:15] <feedback> there are a lot of scripts
[04:15] <feedback> choose the one you need
[04:15] <Kyral> serengeti, I got rid of totem-gstreamer
[04:15] <feedback> Fikrann: thanks
[04:16] <feedback> Fikrann: wait, i have no local.conf
[04:16] <evanpro> Howdy all.
[04:17] <Fikrann> feedback, which Ubuntu version are you using?
[04:17] <feedback> breezy
[04:17] <feedback> Fikrann: i bet i chose something wrong with debconf
[04:17] <evanpro> Any suggestions for how to get an up-to-date version of the Open Office 1.9.x betas working on my Ubuntu x86 boxen?
[04:17] <feedback> i just re-installed
[04:17] <feedback> due to the x86_64 upgrade
[04:17] <nalioth> ed1t: how are you doin today?
[04:17] <G|limmer> is there a PHP4 package for Ubuntu?
[04:17] <nalioth> reka: ya learnin some tricks?
[04:18] <ed1t> nalioth, hey!! im good thx, u
[04:18] <feedback> now font rendering sucks and i don't know why!
[04:18] <feedback> evanpro: there is some script at evolutioncolt.com
[04:18] <serengeti> Kyral I see, so gstreamer is still living somewhere in your system :) so gst-ffmpeg didn't work for you?
[04:18] <evanpro> feedback, grazie
[04:18] <feedback> or
[04:18] <feedback> m
[04:18] <feedback> evanpro: i'll search for it.
[04:18] <Zukero> has any other DE/WM than gnome and KDE been tested successfully under ubuntu ?
[04:19] <catfox> hi all. are there any docs for creating custom live cd's based on ubuntu
[04:19] <nalioth> ed1t: back again, to answer more questions
[04:19] <evanpro> G|limmer, php4?
[04:19] <ed1t> repositories finally working for me
[04:19] <nalioth> Zukero: all of them
[04:19] <feedback> evanpro: http://www.evolutioncolt.com/mainweb/?q=node/11
[04:19] <evanpro> G|limmer, I mean, apt-get install php4
[04:19] <feedback> that's it
[04:19] <nalioth> Zukero: which one(s) did you have in mind?
[04:19] <reka> nalioth: woof
[04:19] <Kyral> serengeti, I just found it easier to sudo apt-get install totem-xine xine-ui w32codecs :D
[04:19] <Zukero> XPDE
[04:19] <G|limmer> evanpro: lol thx
[04:19] <Zukero> for example
[04:19] <Zukero> but
[04:19] <nalioth> reka: heh heh
[04:19] <ziortza> hi
[04:19] <Zukero> i want to try them out one by one
[04:19] <nalioth> Zukero: whee, i never heard of that one
[04:20] <Zukero> to find by myself which is my favorite
[04:20] <catfox> i'd like to create a live cd, with zope and plone installed and running upon boot, with some custom zope apps installed. no idea where to start tho :)
[04:20] <ralc> hmm i cant find w32codecs.. it says its not available
[04:20] <serengeti> Kyral I see :)
[04:20] <nalioth> Zukero: there are a number of desktop manglers available
[04:20] <Zukero> nalioth : it's for my parents, it looks like winXP
[04:20] <Kyral> ralc: Backports
[04:20] <nalioth> Zukero: ah
[04:20] <ralc> Kyral, ahh okay
[04:20] <ziortza> aitzibar!!
[04:21] <ziortza> aitziber
[04:21] <Zukero> http://www.xpde.com/
[04:21] <ziortza> jeejeej
[04:21] <ralc> Kyral, i did not think they were necessary
[04:21] <aitziber> ke pasa
[04:21] <Kyral> Thats up in the air :P
[04:21] <ziortza> can u read me?
[04:21] <aitziber> si
[04:21] <nalioth> ralc: they are not, for w32codecs
[04:21] <Kyral> I personally couldn't live w/o backports
[04:21] <ziortza> let's talk in english
[04:21] <ziortza> eejejjeejeje
[04:21] <nalioth> ralc: you can go to www.mplayerhq.hu and download them
[04:21] <Kyral> nalioth, you try getting them without backports
[04:21] <nalioth> Kyral: already have them via mplayer
[04:22] <Kyral> Ah, I see
[04:22] <nalioth> Kyral: mplayer website
[04:22] <Kyral> I don't like MPlayer, thats why :D
[04:22] <Fikrann> Kyral, you always can go the Gentoo way and install everything from scratch.
[04:22] <Fikrann> };>
[04:22] <eskaypey> hey guys how do you restart x
[04:22] <eskaypey> ?
[04:22] <reka> eskaypey: ctrl+alt+backspace
[04:22] <Kyral> Gentoo hates my system for some reason :P
[04:22] <eskaypey> thanks
[04:22] <Fikrann> eskaypey, ctrl+alt+BkSpace
[04:23] <frix_> one question: i chose english as the system's default language - how can i use gnome in my native language?
[04:23] <ed1t> nalioth, i finally got the java runtime installed
[04:23] <ed1t> thd
[04:23] <ed1t> thx
[04:23] <Fikrann> Kyral, and personally, I hate Gentoo .. it's broken in soooo many ways.
[04:23] <nalioth> ed1t: great! now you can run java things and suck %50 of your system resources with one proggy
[04:23] <Kyral> yah you are telling me?
[04:23] <Kyral> I only run Java for Azureus
[04:24] <lotusleaf> Linux geeks who end up in hell get stuck with compiling Gentoo for eternity
[04:24] <G|limmer> how to permanently re-set the default screen resolution i want?
[04:24] <ed1t> nalioth, lol
[04:24] <Kyral> and actually, it doesn't give a performance hit
[04:24] <Fikrann> lotusleaf, lol, yes!
[04:24] <Kyral> my system == uber for Linux :D
[04:24] <lotusleaf> Kyral, sure it does, it's like the sugar pill, it's all psychological ;)
[04:24] <nikkia> lotusleaf: so what you're saying, is they become regular gentoo users?
[04:25] <lotusleaf> nikkia, I really don't know what I'm saying, I haven't slept in days. ;(
[04:25] <evanpro> feedback: That script is out of date (104, not 113). I'm going to try doing a uupdate with the current source code and build from scratch
[04:25] <nalioth> you guys, this is funny (pathetic) i finally got java running on my PPC, started azureus and 12 hours later, it was still loading
[04:25] <Kyral> ewwww
[04:26] <Fikrann> lol
[04:26] <Fikrann> Anyway .. I must be off.
[04:26] <Hieronymus> nalioth: java :/
[04:26] <Hieronymus> !javatrap
[04:26] <ubotu> somebody said javatrap was http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html
[04:26] <ed1t> nalioth, im trying to mount my fat32 partition, i followed the steps from ubuntuguide.org but got an error
[04:26] <ed1t> mount: special device /dev/hda5 does not exist
[04:26] <nikkia> nalioth: eclipse does that to me, if i forget to switch to the kde desktop its set to initially get pushed to :)
[04:26] <Fikrann> Be well!
[04:26] <nalioth> Hieronymus: yes, thats why i avoid java apps
[04:26] <nalioth> ed1t: stay away from ubuntuguide, it will lead you astray
[04:26] <Hieronymus> nalioth: Azureus can be avoided, .... right?
[04:26] <ed1t> ooo
[04:26] <Hieronymus> !ubguide
[04:26] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubguide is Please do not follow Ubuntuguide; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines (number 3)
[04:27] <nalioth> Hieronymus: most all java apps can be avoided (i cant think of any i HAVE to use)
[04:27] <Hieronymus> nalioth: why use java then? It's non-free
[04:27] <nalioth> Hieronymus: i found it challenging to get installed on my PPC
[04:27] <nalioth> Hieronymus: so it was the challenge
[04:27] <feedback> this sort of font rendering sucks
[04:28] <feedback> don't know why.
[04:28] <nalioth> Hieronymus: and also, i'll try later to get jomic to run (jomic.sourceforge.net)
[04:29] <reka> ed1t: sounds like you're trying to mount an invalid partition.  check the output of sudo fdisk -l
[04:29] <nalioth> Hieronymus: but although jomic as nice(r) features, i have 2 other comic book readers on my box
[04:29] <Hieronymus> nalioth: you just like to install things because it's hard?
[04:29] <nalioth> ed1t: have you searched https://wiki.ubuntu.com for mounting windows partitions?
[04:29] <Hieronymus> Well, I can understand you install non-free binary shit then
[04:30] <Hieronymus> !mountwindows
[04:30] <ubotu> Hieronymus: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:30] <nalioths_dog> ed1t: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[04:30] <ed1t> nalioth, thats wat im trying to do now
[04:30] <Hieronymus> ubotu: mountwindows is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[04:30] <ubotu> okay, Hieronymus
[04:31] <Kyral> Anyone know any good N64 Emulators for Linux?
[04:31] <Hieronymus> Kyral: no
[04:31] <frix_> once again: i chose english as the system's default language - how can i use gnome in my native language?
[04:32] <cmatheson> frix_: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[04:32] <cmatheson> frix_: and then choose a new default
[04:32] <cmatheson> frix_: you should be able to choose from the 'languages' button in GDM too
[04:32] <yacek_> welcme
[04:32] <frix_> cmatheson: but i dont wanna change the systems default
[04:32] <frix_> just for gnome
[04:32] <cmatheson> frix_: run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales`
[04:32] <cmatheson> oh
[04:33] <lotusleaf> I swallowed a bag of rice and a printout of the gentoo sources and had it all compiled by suppertime
[04:33] <cmatheson> then just change it from the menu in GDM
[04:33] <luzbelito> i just wanna say that ubuntu system and community is the best computer choice !
[04:33] <frix_> cmatheson: in gdm theres just english
[04:33] <lotusleaf> luzbelito, agreed
[04:33] <Hieronymus> frix_: install the other languages' support
[04:33] <yacek_> I have some problems with kernel
[04:33] <ed1t> nalioth, do i just replace the original fstab with winmac_fstab's context?
[04:33] <cmatheson> frix_: install the locale packages you want, and then run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'
[04:34] <nalioth> ed1t: no, you execute the winmac_fstab in a terminal "sh winmac_fstab"
[04:34] <nalioth> ed1t: use "sudo"
[04:34] <ed1t> ooo k
[04:34] <frix_> how do i do that?
[04:34] <Hieronymus> ed1t: no, make the thing executable first, then run ./winmac_fstab
[04:35] <yacek_> i compiled my own kernel without pseudofilesystems> dev and during start ubuntu gives message "mount: unknown filesystem type 'devfs'" how to get rid of it??
[04:35] <nalioth> Hieronymus: 6 of one, half-dozen of another
[04:35] <nalioth> ed1t: either method described to you will work
[04:36] <ed1t> nalioth, i did sh winmac_stab
[04:36] <ed1t> with sudo
[04:37] <ed1t> i dont see any disks added to /media
[04:37] <ed1t> or do i have to reboot?
[04:37] <Hieronymus> ed1t: no
[04:37] <ralc> heh i can't find w32codecs even though i use backport
[04:37] <Groverman> ed1t, sudo mount -a
[04:38] <Groverman> ed1t, that will read your fstab and mount
[04:38] <nalioth> ed1t: no reboot necessary
[04:38] <ed1t> oooh k
[04:38] <SDFH_Linux> is gnome 2.10.2 available for ubuntu?
[04:38] <ralc> Kyral, where do you get your backport from?? or something :)
[04:38] <nalioth> ralc: go to www.mplayerhq.hu and to their codecs downloads page
[04:39] <nalioth> ralc: get the 'essential package'
[04:39] <ed1t> i got the windows partition now, but i have one more parititon which is fat32 which i use for data between linux and windows
[04:39] <ralc> nalioth, i did that.. but where are they supposed to go, the codecs?
[04:39] <nalioth> ralc: put all the codecs in /usr/local/lib/codecs
[04:39] <ralc> nalioth, okay
[04:39] <nalioth> ralc: just the codecs (not the folder they came in)
[04:39] <Hieronymus> ralc: press 'reload' in Synaptic, then try again
[04:40] <marko> hello
[04:40] <marko> could anybody help with installing my usb-printer?
[04:40] <luzbelito> edlt: what is the problem with that?
[04:41] <marko> /proc/bus/usb/devices says, that he has found him, but I can't print
[04:41] <ed1t> nalioth, im not on apple though
[04:41] <ralc> nalioth, there is no such directory. should i create it?
[04:41] <chez> Can someone tell me a nice pcmia wireless card, preferably with a prism 2 chip that I can use on my viao running ubutu?
[04:41] <ralc> Hieronymus, doesnt work =/
[04:41] <nalioth> ralc: yes
[04:41] <marko> I've got a MPC190... is there any driver for it?
[04:41] <SDFH_Linux> is gnome 2.10.2 available for ubuntu?
[04:42] <Hieronymus> ralc: are you sure you have backports? Maybe you need backports-extra
[04:42] <himitsu> hi all
[04:42] <luzbelito> i cant download video clips from canon ixus 400 with gthumb 2.6.3. pls help me
[04:42] <luzbelito> its ok with photos
[04:42] <Hieronymus> SDFH_Linux: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[04:42] <SDFH_Linux> k
[04:42] <chez> c'mon who has a wireless card, what is ubuntus support like for it?
[04:43] <nikkia> chez, i have about 6 of them
[04:44] <luzbelito> i cant download video clips from canon ixus 400 with gthumb 2.6.3. pls help me
[04:44] <nikkia> some work, some don't :)
[04:44] <peterretief> chez, i have used both atheros and prism chipsets succesfully, i had a problem with prism 54 v2 chip though
[04:44] <Jonax> Quick question - What's the command needed to run .deb's
[04:44] <evanpro> Jonax, dpkg -i
[04:45] <Hieronymus> Jonax: dpkg -i will *install* them
[04:45] <Jonax> ta evanpro :)
[04:45] <chez> nikkia, peterretief - so support is prett good then? is there like a central hardware compatability chart for ubuntu?
[04:45] <evanpro> That will install the debian package, and you can then run the programs within
[04:45] <Hieronymus> Jonax: to find commands in the future: apropos blabla
[04:45] <Hieronymus> Jonax: to find out more about commands: man command
[04:45] <evanpro> Hieronymus, I thought that was a convenient gloss
[04:46] <Hieronymus> evanpro: a what?
[04:46] <peterretief> chez, the hostap only works with the prism set as far as i know
[04:49] <j^> what happend to libwx2.5.3 in breezy?
[04:49] <Moppin> !wireless
[04:49] <ubotu> wireless is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[04:49] <evanpro> Hieronymus, dpkg -i whatever.deb leads to /usr/bin/whatever being runnable
[04:49] <BiSK-8> hello
[04:50] <evanpro> Hieronymus, a "gloss" is a summary or abbreviation; "glossing over" the details
[04:50] <BiSK-8> can any1 help me with totem?
[04:51] <BiSK-8> ok.....i'll just ask
[04:51] <reka> BiSK-8: telling us the problem would help. :)
[04:51] <BiSK-8> when i click on am mp3 it sais: Audio codec 'MPEG 1 Layer 3 CBR' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies
[04:51] <reka> BiSK-8: you need to install a codec with mp3 support
[04:51] <BiSK-8> how?
[04:52] <reka> BiSK-8: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad will do
[04:52] <feedback> hello.[i've solved the font thingy] , anyone got flashplayer running on amd64? [NO CHROOT] 
[04:52] <nalioths_dog> BiSK-8: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[04:52] <BiSK-8> i have real player
[04:52] <reka> BiSK-8: more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:52] <BiSK-8> it wont work either
[04:52] <BiSK-8> :D
[04:53] <Zukero> where is it that i can tell gdm where to look for other DE ?
[04:53] <BiSK-8> yippiy
[04:53] <BiSK-8> it works
[04:53] <nalioth> Zukero: when you log in, there is a "sessions" link you can click
[04:53] <BiSK-8> thanks ppl
[04:53] <Zukero> yeah
[04:53] <Zukero> but
[04:53] <Zukero> in configurations files
[04:53] <Zukero> like
[04:54] <Zukero> I installed a new one
[04:54] <BiSK-8> ok then
[04:54] <nalioth> Zukero: ah, you've discovered lazy packagers disease
[04:54] <BiSK-8> i would like to install java for firefox
[04:54] <Zukero> i need to tell gdm where that it exists, and where to find it ?
[04:54] <nalioth> Zukero: what DM did you install and does it not show up in the session mangler?
[04:54] <BiSK-8> how should i do that?
[04:54] <nalioths_dog> BiSK-8: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[04:54] <BiSK-8> i did
[04:54] <BiSK-8> wont work
[04:55] <Zukero> well, i installes xpde, and they ask to modify the .xinitrc
[04:55] <Zukero> but
[04:55] <nalioth> Zukero: in /usr/share/xsessions you'll find some files, open one and use it as a template
[04:55] <Zukero> no .xinitrc
[04:55] <Zukero> ok
[04:55] <BiSK-8> ok
[04:55] <BiSK-8> thanks guys
[04:55] <ralc> !backports
[04:55] <ubotu> backports is probably http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[04:55] <nalioth> Zukero: but please don't modify the file you are using as a template (or you'll be buggered)
[04:55] <Hieronymus> ralc: !ubguide
[04:55] <Hieronymus> !ubguide
[04:55] <ubotu> well, ubguide is Please do not follow Ubuntuguide; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines (number 3)
[04:57] <serengeti> is there a way to remove disk drive link from gtk's file chooser? there's no disk drive in my thinkpad
[04:57] <kids_at_the_pool> first time using linux and irc. i have a fat32 primary partition named "files" to share with winxp, and when I try to write to this partition it says "you do not have permission to write to this folder". Can anyone help? Thanks
[04:57] <nalioths_dog> kids_at_the_pool: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[04:59] <kids_at_the_pool> nalioths_dog: hmmm, so fat32 drive isn't "mounted" right now? I can see one folder in it "system volume information"
[04:59] <nalioth> kids_at_the_pool: that script should mount your fat32 stuff read/write (but will only mount your NTFS read-only)
[04:59] <nalioth> kids_at_the_pool: it probably is, if you can see it
[04:59] <nalioth> kids_at_the_pool: but you've mounted it read only or with the wrong user permissions
[04:59] <kids_at_the_pool> nalioth: oh okay. so back in CS class we used to chmod stuff, that won't work here i guess?
[05:00] <dbernar1> nalioth: just cause writing is not safe in Linux, writing to ntfs drives that is, otherwise it works.
[05:00] <nalioth> kids_at_the_pool: it needs to be properly outlined in the fstab
[05:00] <kids_at_the_pool> nalioth: i'll try your suggestion, thanks a lot
[05:01] <Moppin> kids_at_the_pool, when you type 'mount' does it list your FAT32 as (rw) or (ro) ?
[05:01] <nalioth> dbernar1: yes, it does
[05:02] <dbernar1> I know you know, dunno why I chose your name instead of his.
[05:02] <dbernar1> cause I was really anmswering his question...
[05:02] <nalioth> dbernar1 i'm half asleep
[05:02] <dbernar1> nice
[05:02] <chomario> hi to all!
[05:03] <dbernar1> why are you awake anyhow, you are same time zone as me...
[05:03] <dbernar1> or is it 11 where ou are?
[05:03] <nalioth> dbernar1: i'm in Houston, Tx  (10am)
[05:03] <dbernar1> hi chomario
[05:03] <kids_at_the_pool> moppin: well it says "dev/sda5 on /files type vfat (rw)" and  i have names my fat32 partition "files" so unless there's another common linux folder named files...
[05:03] <dbernar1> ya, I thouigh you were same time zone.
[05:04] <dbernar1> kids_at_the_pool: nah,. thats your files.
[05:04] <nalioth> kids_at_the_pool: there may be more you need to add to that line of your fstab
[05:05] <chomario> little question: where the countrychooser is?
[05:05] <chomario> countrychooser package
[05:05] <kids_at_the_pool> nalioth: okay
[05:05] <dbernar1> there is a explanation in the wiki on how to mount fat32 with fstab instructions, I believe.
[05:05] <dbernar1> !windows
[05:05] <ubotu> hmm... windows is Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[05:05] <dbernar1> not that one
[05:06] <kids_at_the_pool> dbernarl: lemme try the ubuntu wiki then
[05:06] <Zukero> ok
[05:06] <kbrooks> !alternative
[05:06] <ubotu> somebody said alternative was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[05:06] <reka> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[05:06] <Hieronymus> ubotu: windows is Everything runs in GNU/linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[05:06] <ubotu> ...but windows is already something else...
[05:06] <reka> dbernar1: the ubotu command is mountwindows
[05:07] <dbernar1> yup, reka has it
[05:07] <reka> for the wiki reference above
[05:07] <chomario> I was searching on breezy,hoary and warty with no results ; |
[05:08] <holycow> what is the wireless applet called in breezy?  this is just for testing, i know breezy is unstable
[05:08] <holycow> wireless applet package even
[05:08] <dbernar1> why do you think xmms is much quieter, less loud, than music player/rhytmbox for example?
[05:08] <samuelk> what do i add in xorg.conf after done the nvidia-glx-config enable command?
[05:09] <dbernar1> samuelk: doesnt the wiki tell you?
[05:09] <samuelk> give adress to wiki
[05:09] <dbernar1> !binarydriver
[05:09] <ubotu> dbernar1: Are you smoking crack?
[05:09] <dbernar1> :(
[05:09] <dbernar1> !binary
[05:09] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, dbernar1
[05:10] <Hieronymus> !nvidia
[05:10] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:10] <samuelk> danke
[05:10] <dbernar1> hehe
[05:10] <reka> dbernar1: you checked xmms' volume? btw, beep-media-player is nicer.
[05:10] <dbernar1> bite
[05:10] <dbernar1> hehe
[05:10] <dbernar1> ya, the volume is fine, off course.
[05:10] <dbernar1> should have mentioned...
[05:10] <six2one_away> holycow: ill tell you in a min, im installing breezy in qemu right now and it will be done soon
[05:12] <holycow> six2one_away, danke
[05:12] <redtech> !wpa
[05:12] <ubotu> redtech: Bugger all, i dunno
[05:12] <Zukero> i managed to run xpde
[05:12] <Zukero> but
[05:12] <Zukero> nothing works in it
[05:12] <Zukero> :)
[05:12] <Zukero> like
[05:12] <Zukero> no desktop icon works
[05:12] <Zukero> and launching xchat from terminal crashed the session
[05:12] <nalioth> Zukero: did you read the faq at the site?
[05:13] <nalioth> Zukero: it requires some libraries that i'm not sure are in ubuntu by default
[05:13] <BobaFett> Guys ... i need help! :( Im getting a 'couldn't initiate scheduler' message when I try to run volume control or rhythmbox' ... any clue?
[05:13] <BobaFett> I've never seen that error message before!
[05:13] <feugan3333> Hi all. When looking at the output of free, it says i've only got a total of 800mb of ram while I have 2GB. Anyone know what the problem could be?
[05:13] <serengeti> oh well I guess it's my questions-asking season:) is there any solution for a noisy fan in Thinkpad t42? acpi says the processor's temperature is just 39C, but the fan sounds as if it was working on a high gear...
[05:14] <supernix> Has anyone here experienced trying to install Linux on a Compaq ?
[05:14] <ralc> how do i delete a dir in a console?
[05:14] <serengeti> I wantet to try lmsensors but there's this scary message
[05:14] <nalioth> serengeti: has the fan run out of grease?
[05:14] <six2one_away> rm
[05:14] <serengeti> about thinkpads
[05:14] <nalioth> ralk rmdir
[05:14] <BobaFett> ralc ... try with 'rm'
[05:14] <serengeti> nalioth: this laptop is one week old
[05:14] <nalioth> serengeti: heh, so it has plenty of grease
[05:14] <redtech> supernix: what kind of compaq?
[05:14] <chomario> feugan3333: have you a raiser file system??
[05:14] <serengeti> nalioth it's really silent under windows
[05:15] <nalioth> serengeti: the acpi soft may not realize how new it is or something
[05:15] <BobaFett> Guys ... i need help! :( Im getting a 'couldn't initiate scheduler' message when I try to run volume control or rhythmbox' ... any clue?
[05:15] <serengeti> :D
[05:15] <ralc> six2one_away and BobaFett thanks
[05:15] <feugan3333> chomario: no, normal amd64 box
[05:15] <supernix> My fiancee has a Compaq that is a little over a year old can't recall the model
[05:16] <chomario> feugan3333: :  )  ok, but what file system??  XFS, Raiser, EXT2....
[05:16] <LSD25> hi
[05:16] <dbernar1> BobaFett: there was some post somewhere, maybe while installing, that over a gig of ram needs to be enabled somewhere, make some keywords of my sentence, and then search google, is best I can do...
[05:16] <serengeti> nalioth I guess it'll run out of grease pretty soon if it keeps spinning like that... :rolleyes:
[05:16] <chomario> hi LSD25
[05:16] <nalioth> serengeti: you know how it is: the manufactures give microshaft all the tech specs, and our linux devs have to guess a lot of the time
[05:17] <jmjones> anybody know how to change your user's icon in gdm?
[05:17] <Suepahfly> so anyone got a recent version kvirc running on Ubuntu, the one in the repo is badly outdted
[05:17] <BobaFett> I have only 512 ram, dbernar :)
[05:17] <cookiemnstr> how do i set up dial up connection with ubuntu?
[05:17] <BobaFett> its that feugan dude with the 1GB+ RAM issue :)
[05:18] <feugan3333> chomario: ext3
[05:18] <Groverman> is there an easy way of submitting a software suggestion of upcoming release to the ideapool?
[05:19] <LSD25> what's the difference between warty/hoary/.. ?
[05:19] <LSD25> i'm new to ubuntu and wander what to choose
[05:19] <luzbelito> LSD25: the realease name
[05:20] <reka> cookiemnstr: start off with sys > admin > networking perhaps
[05:20] <LSD25> thanx luzbelito
[05:20] <serengeti> nalioth I'm not complaining :) I'm just looking for a solution. The bit about windows being able to slow down the fan wasn't there to bash linux devs it's just an observation :)
[05:20] <Groverman> LSD25, hoary is the latest release.
[05:20] <reka> LSD25: hoary is the most recent stable release
[05:20] <feugan3333> LSD25: hoary is a newer release. IE newer packages
[05:20] <nalioth> LSD25: choose hoary, that is the current stable version
[05:21] <LSD25> than, what's specific about the other two ?
[05:21] <nalioth> serengeti: and i've explained in my own slapdash way of why it is doing that. . .
[05:21] <chomario> feugan3333: oh, i my mistake. The kernel is the problem, You must have a kernel compiled for 4GB of RAM
[05:21] <LSD25> latest unstable?
[05:21] <serengeti> nalioth :)
[05:21] <LSD25> thanx, i think i'll be ok with hoary
[05:22] <reka> warty is older :)  breezy is still in development so you'll probably run into problems
[05:22] <reka> ^^ LSD25: meant for you
[05:22] <Groverman> !ideapool
[05:22] <ubotu> Groverman: I haven't a clue
[05:23] <feugan3333> chomario: Ahh, which option would that be. Is it compiled by that way on the amd 64bit release of ubuntu. I have the 32 bit version still.
[05:23] <LSD25> it sounds like a very nice linux to me
[05:23] <LSD25> i think i need something like that to chill on
[05:24] <Groverman> how do i add software to ideapool
[05:24] <Hieronymus> LSD25: linux is just a kernel
[05:24] <Hieronymus> !linux
[05:24] <ubotu> [linux]  the "kernel", or core of the Ubuntu operating system. Ubuntu is only one version of Linux. For more information on Linux in general, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[05:24] <Hieronymus> !gnu
[05:24] <ubotu> methinks gnu is "http://www.gnu.org/gnu/thegnuproject.html"
[05:24] <Hieronymus> !gnu/linux
[05:24] <ubotu> Hieronymus: I give up, what is it?
[05:24] <BobaFett> Guys ... i need help! :( Im getting a 'couldn't initiate scheduler' message when I try to run volume control or rhythmbox ... any clue?
[05:25] <samuelk> i have dont as it says in https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto on nvidia graphics card but i dont gett glx to work
[05:25] <nalioth> Groverman: your answer is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:25] <LSD25> Hieronymus :D i meant distro
[05:25] <chomario> feugan3333 for v2.6 "Processor type and features -> High Memory Support ". Put 4G
[05:26] <feugan3333> chamario: Thanks alot
[05:26] <kryl> hi
[05:26] <kryl> I have some problem with wepattack compilation under ubuntu hoary
[05:27] <kryl> is there a way to download binary ?
[05:27] <nalioth> kryl: is it listed at http://packages.ubuntu.com  ?
[05:27] <LSD25> samuelk why not just install the nvidia driver and modify the xorg.conf
[05:27] <kryl> nalioth, no
[05:28] <dbernar1> its not in the repos.
[05:28] <LSD25> the README with the driver explains alot, but if you got problem i can help you in basic to get it running
[05:28] <kryl> so?
[05:28] <nalioth> i don't even know what it is
[05:28] <cookiemnstr> thanks
[05:28] <nalioth> kryl: is there no binary on its website?
[05:28] <kryl> it is a wardriving tools to improve wep security
[05:28] <kryl> no
[05:29] <nalioth> kryl: what probs are you having? (yes i'm off-topic)
[05:29] <kryl> nalioth, I'm just searching a way to install wepattack on ubuntu ... so perhaps I can take the package from a debian server !
[05:29] <nalioth> kryl: not advised
[05:30] <Suepahfly> so anyone got a recent version kvirc running on Ubuntu, the one in the repo is badly outdted
[05:30] <kryl> mmm
[05:30] <nalioth> kryl: you mentioned compile errors
[05:30] <kryl> yup
[05:30] <kryl> an instant please
[05:30] <nikkia> sue, i use the repository version on kvirc's homepage
[05:30] <chomario> ; )
[05:30] <nikkia> Suepahfly: it works fine
[05:30] <Suepahfly> the deb package form kvirc.net?
[05:31] <nikkia> Suepahfly: yeah
[05:31] <Suepahfly> nikkia,  how did you install, i cant since i have outdated libs
[05:31] <nikkia> i can't remember if i added the repository to my sources, or just dpkg -i'ed the files, but it all worked fine
[05:32] <Suepahfly> i gat a bunch of version mismatches
[05:32] <Suepahfly> wich version of kvirc do you use ?
[05:32] <kryl> I need to install a lot of library ... from the compilation errors ...
[05:32] <nalioth> kryl: so use synaptic to find and install them
[05:33] <kryl> I'm on the way
[05:33] <nikkia> actually, i take it back
[05:33] <nikkia> apparently, i built from source
[05:33] <Suepahfly> whe i build from source i get a dlopen error in ./configure
[05:33] <kryl> openssl/md5.h < wich package handle this header ?
[05:34] <dbernar1> kryl, I am following instructions right now, Ill tell you if it is possible to install...
[05:34] <nalioth> kryl: look for ssl-dev or something like that
[05:34] <kryl> root@plexus:/home/kryl/sources/WepAttack-0.1.3/src # apt-file search md5.h | grep open
[05:34] <kryl> libopenipmi-dev: usr/include/OpenIPMI/md5.h
[05:34] <kryl> libssl-dev: usr/include/openssl/md5.h
[05:34] <kryl> ok
[05:34] <auk> grphx: ping
[05:34] <nikkia> Suepahfly: as far as i can see in my config.log, i got a dlopen error, but it was non-fatal
[05:35] <samuelk> should i install fglrx if i install an nvidia card`?
[05:35] <nikkia> ah
[05:35] <nikkia> it tried -ldl after that
[05:35] <kryl> done . . .
[05:35] <kryl> it seems to work
[05:35] <Suepahfly> so i do "./configrue -ldl" ?
[05:35] <nikkia> Suepahfly: no
[05:35] <reka> samuelk: fglrx is for ati cards
[05:35] <samuelk> k
[05:36] <reka> samuelk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowTo
[05:36] <samuelk> reka i have yes i have done that but i dont gett me nvidia glx thing to work
[05:36] <reka> samuelk: check out that site...nvidia isntructions are at the bottom
[05:36] <Suepahfly> so what sould i do then nikkia ?
[05:36] <nikkia> Suepahfly: i just did ./configure apparently
[05:36] <nikkia> it gave a dlopen error, then tried again using -ldl and decided that worked
[05:36] <reka> samuelk: can't really help you there...i'm using an ati card
[05:37] <samuelk> k
[05:37] <kryl> thanks for your advices
[05:37] <samuelk> reka to bad :/
[05:37] <LSD25> bye
[05:37] <Suepahfly> I get a bunch of lines saying dlopen is not available and the i get "configure: error: "This was fatal...aborting"
[05:37] <nalioth> kryl: don't get in too much trouble, now
[05:37] <samuelk> Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[05:37] <nalioth> :)
[05:37] <samuelk> reka is says
[05:37] <Discipulus> I have a question
[05:38] <kryl> ok
[05:38] <nikkia> Suepahfly: *shrug* perhaps you're missing a -dev package
[05:38] <Discipulus> so when the Ubuntu developers release a new version of Ubuntu, how does one upgrade to it?
[05:38] <Jonax> Just ask it, Discipulus.  No need to wait until someone responds :)
[05:38] <reka> samuelk: when does it say that?
[05:38] <nalioth> Discipulus: change your sources.list
[05:38] <nalioth> Discipulus: in a very simple way
[05:38] <samuelk> reka then i use nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:38] <foodcoman> Morning........
[05:38] <Discipulus> what do you change about 'em?
[05:38] <Jonax> What nalioth says :)
[05:38] <samuelk> to turn glx on..
[05:38] <nalioth> Discipulus: when the time comes (as breezy is broken now) you swap 'hoary' for 'breezy'
[05:38] <dbernar1> Discipulus: hoary to breeze...
[05:38] <Discipulus> ah, alright
[05:38] <Discipulus> how long does the dist-upgrade take?
[05:39] <dbernar1> kryl: no, its not simple:)
[05:39] <Discipulus> (I'm on dialup)
[05:39] <nalioth> Discipulus: bout an hour
[05:39] <Jonax> How long's a piece of string? :)
[05:39] <Jonax> It all depends on your download speed
[05:39] <Discipulus> nalioth, I'm on dial-up...
[05:39] <dbernar1> longer then.
[05:39] <samuelk> reka any clue?
[05:39] <nalioth> Discipulus: then maybe a touch longer, heh
[05:39] <Discipulus> how much longer?
[05:39] <reka> samuelk: again, i'm not familiar with the nvidia process.
[05:39] <samuelk> k
[05:39] <foodcoman> Ugh... Dialup weeks eh?
[05:39] <Hieronymus> Discipulus: order CDs then
[05:39] <reka> samuelk: sure you followed the steps? ;)
[05:39] <Frank_dot> Discipulus: you can probably use cds for the upgrade
[05:40] <dbernar1> dunno, too many factors unknown, such as size of files to be \downloaded, and yoiur bandwidth,
[05:40] <kryl> dbernar1, it run well here now
[05:40] <samuelk> yes 100%
[05:40] <dbernar1> kryl: what are you doing?
[05:40] <yccheok> any timidity user here? i am looking for a missing file /etc/timidity/freepats.cfg
[05:41] <yccheok> i install the timidity from ubuntu server. after downloading and install, i realize the configuration file for the timidity is looking for another missing configuration file /etc/timidity/freepats.cfg
[05:41] <kryl> dbernar1, I follow the compilation errors and I installed the appropriate library
[05:41] <dbernar1> kryl: nice.
[05:42] <blackmoon> hi, some MOTU here?
[05:42] <SDFH_Linux> which is better debian or ubuntu? and why?
[05:42] <Hieronymus> blackmoon: #ubuntu-motu
[05:42] <dbernar1> SDFH_Linux: because.
[05:42] <reka> SDFH_Linux: says he in an ubuntu-biased environment :D
[05:42] <Hieronymus> SDFH_Linux: I like Ubuntu better, but Debian atleast does good naming
[05:42] <blackmoon> Hieronymus: thank you
[05:42] <dbernar1> SDFH_Linux: I find that ubuntu is better if you want an out of the box system.
[05:42] <Hieronymus> SDFH_Linux: GNU/Linux instead of Linux
[05:43] <Discipulus> Ubuntu doesn't have a deb for EncFS and Debian does
[05:43] <Discipulus> only thing I don't like about ti
[05:43] <dbernar1> SDFH_Linux: then again, there is the standard sentence that debian is more stable.
[05:43] <Discipulus> it*
[05:43] <elekis> hi
[05:43] <SDFH_Linux> i am looking for the benefits over debian to move to ubuntu?
[05:43] <dbernar1> hi
[05:44] <elekis> I try to install a prog who requiert  'clanCore-0.7'
[05:44] <elekis>  I make apt-get isntall clanlib but I have the same error
[05:44] <reka> SDFH_Linux: quicker releases
[05:44] <Hieronymus> elekis: apt-cache search clan
[05:45] <liable> m4x: no
[05:45] <m4x> liable, what?
[05:45] <elekis> I did that but no clancore
[05:46] <jamey3> To get the XFCE in Ubuntu, do I just need to install the xfce4 package?
[05:46] <Hieronymus> elekis: than there is none
[05:46] <Hieronymus> jamey3: correct
[05:46] <elekis> To compile Flexlay you need a recent ClanLib 0.7, quite often the
[05:46] <elekis> latest not-yet-released development version from the subversion tree,
[05:46] <elekis> available at:
[05:46] <elekis>   * http://www.clanlib.org
[05:46] <jamey3> Hieronymus: thanks
[05:46] <shinu> anyone here know why installing a usb modem will stop my ethernet connection? (even if i dont plug the modem in...)
[05:46] <elekis> I found the error
[05:46] <Suepahfly> SDFH_Linux, i don't know about Sagre but woody kinda sucked for the beginner like me
[05:46] <jamey3> Hieronymus: then I can choose it as a login option when I am logging in, right?
[05:46] <elekis> is clan 0.7 is in the beezy??
[05:46] <liable> m4x: nm... wrong window sorry
[05:46] <jamey3> btw, what do you think of XFCE?
[05:46] <Hieronymus> Hieronymus: yes, click 'session'
[05:47] <jamey3> thanks
[05:47] <Hieronymus> elekis: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[05:47] <Hieronymus> jamey3: speedy :-)
[05:47] <Groverman> bugzilla is really crappy
[05:47] <Hieronymus> Groverman: file a bug :D
[05:47] <elekis> sniff
[05:47] <jamey3> Hieronymus: cool. Is it what you use?
[05:47] <Groverman> how do i file a bug for bugzilla? it
[05:47] <Groverman> haha
[05:47] <Hieronymus> Groverman: agreed, it uses javascript :s
[05:47] <Hieronymus> jamey3: no, Gnome
[05:47] <jamey3> Hieronymus: oh, why's that?
[05:48] <nalioth> jamey3: if not, come back here for a fix
[05:48] <elekis> can install caln 0.6 and 0.7 together
[05:48] <Hieronymus> jamey3: Because it's default, and because it's nice
[05:48] <butterflycollec> hi
[05:48] <Groverman> Hieronymus, it told me I must enter a component (or guess a component) by pressing "back". There is no such thing to choose and my whole bugreport got deleted!
[05:48] <jamey3> nalioth: thanks in advance :P
[05:48] <butterflycollec> can i install ubuntu from hard drive ?
[05:48] <jamey3> Hieronymus: yeah, it's very nice. I used KDE the other day... ugh.
[05:48] <butterflycollec> is there way to create startup diskette
[05:48] <butterflycollec> or work around
[05:49] <jamey3> ok brb changing to XFCE
[05:49] <Hieronymus> Groverman: awww.. you do need to enter a component, though, and you can
[05:49] <Groverman> Hieronymus, and now i clicked on the "package" url and it totally hang Firefox (my first firefox crash EVER)
[05:49] <dnakata> does anybody else here buy dinner at 7/11?
[05:50] <Groverman> Hieronymus, component = package?
[05:50] <dnakata> or, go shopping there? :/
[05:50] <Hieronymus> Groverman: have you had the 'can't-scroll magic line' yet?
[05:50] <Hieronymus> 'nother bugzilla bug
[05:50] <Hieronymus> or Fx+bugzilla como
[05:50] <Hieronymus> *combo bug
[05:50] <Groverman> Hieronymus, the what magic thingy?
[05:50] <jamey3> Well, XFCE is certainly different! :-)
[05:51] <Hieronymus> Groverman: when you can't scroll anymore in bugzilla
[05:52] <Groverman> Hieronymus, this was my first bugzilla attempt. i am not impressed.
[05:52] <elekis> stupid question but if I use he tarbal can I take later off (when where will have a package  ubuntu)
[05:52] <Groverman> :-)
[05:52] <xfSx> when i try to gksudo something i get the following error:  Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file. But Why?
[05:52] <ralc> hehe can anyone recommend a mp3 player and a videoplayer?
[05:52] <ralc> not xmms
[05:52] <nalioth> elekis: if you compile from source, i recommend you use "checkinstall" in place of "make install" in the compilation steps
[05:52] <auk> rythmbox, totem
[05:52] <dnakata> ralc: amarok / kaffeine
[05:52] <lotusleaf> vlc
[05:52] <auk> rhythmbox
[05:52] <dnakata> mpg321 / mplayer
[05:53] <xfSx> rhythmbox is buggy for streams, xmms is good for streams
[05:53] <xfSx> vlc is good for video, lots of codecs supported
[05:53] <elekis> check install ?? what exaly is it??
[05:53] <dnakata> artsplay / xine
[05:53] <nalioth> !checkinstall
[05:53] <ubotu> checkinstall is probably a program used in place of "make install". It makes a simple deb for installation
[05:53] <auk> xfSx: you mean gstreamer is buggy for streams
[05:53] <nalioth> !info checkinstall
[05:53] <xfSx> auk, yep
[05:53] <ubotu> checkinstall: (installation tracker), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.5.3-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 132 kB
[05:53] <jamey3> XMMS is *so* ugly though!
[05:53] <elekis> so  I make ./congure makje checkinstall
[05:53] <reka> jamey3: which is why you use beep-media-player :)
[05:53] <dnakata> jamey3: well, it's old.
[05:53] <elekis> whitout error
[05:53] <nalioth> elekis: yes
[05:53] <McScruff> can someone help me install vmware please?
[05:54] <dnakata> which is the same program, anyway.
[05:54] <xfSx> xmms looks pretty slick to me
[05:54] <elekis> I ill try
[05:54] <BiSK-8> hello
[05:54] <dnakata> cat /dev/urandom > ~/.xmms/Skins/default.png
[05:54] <nalioth> elekis: checkinstall is in the repos, you can get it with apt-get
[05:54] <xfSx> my ubu is kkkkrazy
[05:54] <dnakata> it's so ... staticy.
[05:54] <BiSK-8> can any1 tell me why the command gcc wont work?
[05:54] <dnakata> BiSK-8: let me ask the magic 8-ball
[05:55] <dnakata> magic 8-ball says: your ethernet cables are backwards
[05:55] <elekis> thanks
[05:55] <adwait> hehe
[05:55] <dnakata> magic 8-ball says: the computer is off
[05:55] <BiSK-8> ...
[05:55] <nalioth> BiSK-8: have you isntalled "build-essential" using apt-get?
[05:55] <BiSK-8> no
[05:55] <jamey3> Oh my goodness. I am in XFCE and I just ran the XSreensaver config tool. It's just mucked up my desktop. It's very dark, the colours are all gone... help!
[05:55] <BiSK-8> how do i?
[05:56] <nalioth> BiSK-8: that is why gcc doesnt work. it isnt there
[05:56] <Discipulus> BiSK-8, apt-get install build-essential
[05:56] <nalioth> BiSK-8: use synaptic. the package name is "build-essential"
[05:56] <adwait> BiSK-8: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:56] <Groverman> dnakata, you should have a look at http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ballard/bofh/bofhserver.pl . just refresh the page for a new excuse
[05:56] <elekis> that's compil
[05:56] <dnakata> Groverman: yeah, it's bookmarked
[05:56] <ralc> hmm amarok is a kde app and i use gnome.. is that a prob?
[05:56] <Groverman> dnakata, haha
[05:56] <dnakata> but my monitor is off, so i can't see it
[05:56] <nalioth> ralc: kde apps will work in gnome
[05:56] <Hieronymus> ralc: nah
[05:57] <dnakata> i am biting the ethernet cable and 'feeling' the conversation, like binary braile.
[05:57] <ralc> thanks :)
[05:57] <adwait> :p
[05:57] <BiSK-8> ok
[05:57] <BiSK-8> thanks
[05:57] <BiSK-8> bye
[05:57] <nalioth> dnakata: why don't you have your eye to the fiber? it's more sanitary
[05:57] <Kyral> Anyone know how to convert the xmms-flac plugin to work with Beep?
[05:57] <dnakata> so, can we fire the kvirc maintainer
[05:59] <ecsta> hi
[05:59] <xfSx> why might i not have permissions to delete stuff in my home folder? "/home/mrhodes...crashban.etm" cannot be deleted because you do not have permissions to modify its parent folder.
[05:59] <reka> Kyral: check out http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/Plugin_list (scroll down to the FLAC input plugin) as a starter
[06:00] <elekis> for checkisntall must I use taht with some parameter or it's used alone
[06:00] <reka> xfSx: what's the file's parent folder?
[06:00] <xfSx> Jul  8 17:00:01 localhost gconfd (mrhodes-9129): Failed to log addition of listener unknown (Failed: Failed to log addition of listener to gconfd logfile; won't be able to re-add the listener if gconfd exits or shuts down (No space left on device));will not be able to restore this listener on gconfd restart, resulting in unreliable notification of configuration changes.
[06:00] <xfSx> i have a feeling no space on device is causing all these anomalies ;P
[06:01] <xfSx> reka and yes that folder was owned by root, s'all good sorry for the spam
[06:02] <siorfin> i had a file i couldnt delete the other day
[06:02] <siorfin> it was in my home folder but i used sudo to install it thus it ws owned by root and i coudlnt touch it
[06:03] <siorfin> if you have files you need to delete just type sudo nautilus --browser in commandline to bring up filebrowser with root privileges
[06:03] <siorfin> change permisions or owner if you like also
[06:03] <six2one> breezy runs like a champ in qemu
[06:03] <siorfin> had to do that to empty trash other day
[06:04] <nalioth> xfSx: others, be very careful starting nautilus as root, it has no manners about some things
[06:04] <xfSx> k
[06:04] <siorfin> i assume you know not to delete something that is needed :)
[06:04] <catfox> is beagle in breezy?
[06:04] <nalioth> catfox: yes
[06:05] <catfox> nalioth, ooh. now i want to run breezy
[06:06] <nalioth> catfox: go buy (or borrow) and extra beige box, join the dev mailing list and rock on
[06:06] <Rockett17> hey
[06:06] <Groverman> Hi Rockett17
[06:06] <antraxx_> kann mri wer helfen .bin dateien zu installieren ?
[06:07] <nalioth> antraxx_: en #ubuntu-de, bitte
[06:07] <nalioth> antraxx_: odor englisch hier
[06:07] <jamey3> What other desktop environments, apart from Gnome and XFCE work well with Ubuntu?
[06:07] <nalioth> jamey3: any of them
[06:07] <siorfin> kde works
[06:07] <adwait> jamey3: any
[06:07] <jamey3> I don't like KDE, sorry.
[06:08] <adwait> jamey3: kde/xpdf/....
[06:08] <Groverman> jamey3, I use Window-Maker and Openbox3
[06:08] <adwait> *xpde
[06:08] <siorfin> is xfce better than gnome? never used it
[06:08] <six2one> its mac like
[06:08] <jamey3> siorfin: if you get used to it, I think it would be great.
[06:08] <jamey3> yeah it is.
[06:08] <adwait> siorfin: it is a lot easier on sys resources
[06:08] <SDFH_Linux> hows xpde?
[06:08] <jamey3> It's quite sexy with the right themes.
[06:08] <siorfin> yeah it looked simpler
[06:08] <jamey3> OMG not XPde
[06:08] <adwait> xpde = like windows xp
[06:08] <jamey3> which means
[06:08] <jamey3> shitty
[06:08] <adwait> lol
[06:08] <jamey3> lol seriously
[06:08] <adwait> with child like colours straight of a nursery
[06:09] <jamey3> ugh
[06:09] <jamey3> despite the GUI, I am always reverting to the shell lmao
[06:09] <six2one> is anyone here running breezy colony 2...or has ran it?
[06:10] <adwait> jamey3: for everyday tasks GUI
[06:10] <siorfin> here is a question what is with all the animal names
[06:10] <adwait> is easier/faster
[06:10] <siorfin> hoary, breezy badger, etc
[06:10] <Hieronymus> siorfin: ask the sabdfl
[06:10] <adwait> siorfin: hmm......some wierd fascination with the powers tht be
[06:10] <elekis> X11/extensions/xf86vmode.h that say soething to somebody??
[06:10] <jamey3> adwait: no no I mean I am always using the shell where a GUI would probably be more productive (i.e. launching a shell window, not changing TTY)
[06:10] <elekis> I have a comil error
[06:11] <arandom> hi all
[06:11] <Rockett17> yeah really.. I can see why it may be useful for Linux n00bs, but they are never going to really learn Linux if it looks and works like a winbox. I coudln't stand having my Linux box not feeling and looking like Linux.
[06:11] <adwait> jamey3: ahh........
[06:11] <catfox> nalioth, i've got a spare box i dont use much. guess i could try it out. i tried suse 9.3 out, loved half of it, but hated the other half :) beagle was cool
[06:11] <siorfin> think ill try installing xfce tonight i saw ss's of it and liked it
[06:11] <nalioth> siorfin: you are not waiting for the ubuntu release of "stinky skunk"?
[06:11] <siorfin> dsl uses it i think or atleast it looks like it
[06:11] <Rockett17> xfce 4.2 is sweet
[06:11] <arandom> anybody know how to install Ubuntu on a machine without a bootable CD drive?
[06:11] <nalioth> catfox: sure thing, sounds good
[06:11] <adwait> arandom: with boot floppes
[06:12] <Hieronymus> arandom: network
[06:12] <adwait> *floppies
[06:12] <siorfin> boot floppies?
[06:12] <siorfin> lol
[06:12] <adwait> u can't?
[06:12] <catfox> anyone here up to speed on the usplash developments? i've never much cared for it, but since trying out suse and seeing their boot process, i need one too :)
[06:12] <arandom> okay how do I create a ubuntu boot floppy
[06:12] <auk> arandom: bootable floppy
[06:12] <auk> oh i see how it is.!
[06:13] <Hieronymus> catfox: Is the suse 9.3 boot process different/better than the .2 one?
[06:13] <jamey3> What's a good virtual machine emulator for Linux? I want to run a mini Linux within Ubuntu. :)
[06:13] <Albaraha> Is there any app like Babylon (in windows) to right-click a word and translate it?
[06:13] <siorfin> i didnt care for suse\
[06:13] <six2one> gangly giraffe or lanky lama
[06:13] <jasoncohen> one of the backport servers is down (66.90.101.204). I added "70.84.217.98 ubuntu-backports.mirromax.net" to /etc/hosts to fix this issue but it only seems to resolve the problem for apt-get and not the Update Manager. why is this?
[06:13] <Hieronymus> six2one: ?
[06:14] <siorfin> did you do apt-get update after adding new server?
[06:14] <six2one> Hieronymus: just some ubuntu names i was thinking of
[06:14] <jasoncohen> siorfin, i didn't add a new server. i just added an alias in /etc/hosts so it uses the correct IP
[06:14] <catfox> Hieronymus, never saw the .2 one. but .3 is really nice looking. i like how their grub -> boot -> login looks consistent.
[06:14] <siorfin> ah
[06:15] <adwait> albraha: i believe there is an extension for firefox
[06:15] <Hieronymus> six2one: Treenaks had a nice one: Sinkin' Seahorse
[06:15] <six2one> haha, thats the best
[06:15] <jamey3> Anyone know a good virtual machine for Linux?
[06:15] <six2one> qemu
[06:15] <six2one> qemu
[06:16] <Hieronymus> catfox: Do you have a screenshot lyin' somewhere?
[06:16] <jamey3> thanks six2one
[06:16] <catfox> Hieronymus, afraid not.
[06:16] <Ilomoga> Does someone know OpenTTD?
[06:17] <siorfin> https://addons.mozilla.org/quicksearch.php?q=translate&section=A
[06:17] <jasoncohen> that's the correct syntax- right "70.84.217.98 ubuntu-backports.mirromax.net
[06:17] <jasoncohen> without the quotations of course
[06:17] <Hieronymus> Ilomoga: heard of it
[06:17] <catfox> sorry for all the questions...but is there a way of testing a kernel before you boot it? i've read about xen, but doesn't look easy to set up
[06:17] <Albaraha> Is there any app running in GNOME?
[06:17] <Hieronymus> Ilomoga: why?
[06:17] <Ilomoga> i've got a little problem when i try to play online, i think it's the firewall
[06:18] <six2one> jamey3: the 0.6.0 or whatever in the repos doesnt work too well with NT based windows, but can run linux ok. the one im using with 2000, 2003, xp, 98, knoppix 3.8.1, breezy colony 2 is 0.7.0
[06:18] <Ilomoga> i can load a server list but can't load a game
[06:18] <adwait> Ilomoga: try turning the firewall off?
[06:18] <siorfin> what game?
[06:18] <jamey3> six2one: cool thanks. I'm going to be running LFS hopefully. :P
[06:18] <Ilomoga> how? (sorry for the stupid question ;) )
[06:19] <Hieronymus> Ilomoga: how have you installed it? It's not in the repos
[06:19] <adwait> Ilomoga: if u didnt expressly turn it on, its off by  defauly
[06:19] <siorfin> there isnt a firewall installed by default for ubuntu is there?
[06:19] <adwait> *default
[06:19] <Ilomoga> i don't know
[06:19] <six2one> jamey3: i see no reason why that wouldnt work. the only think better than running linux is running linux thats running linux! :)
[06:19] <adwait> u didnt add any rules to iptables did u?
[06:19] <Ilomoga> so it's not the firewall
[06:19] <adwait> nope
[06:20] <Ilomoga> i hardly changed or installed anything
[06:20] <adwait> Ilomoga: is it a windows game? if so, u running it with wine?
[06:20] <Ilomoga> only some software and samba and such things
[06:20] <Medrakil> i'm having some trouble here.. rhythmbox won't import my mp3's, and xmms won't play them (crashes).. i have installed tons of mp3-related libs and codecs and stuff, none did it.. and btw system sounds play just fine, it's not that..
[06:20] <Ilomoga> it's an open source game
[06:20] <adwait> Medrakil: did u apt-get gstreamer?
[06:20] <Ilomoga> for any os
[06:20] <jasoncohen> yeah- this is weird. apt-get seems to use my /etc/hosts setting but not synaptic or update manager
[06:20] <six2one> Medraki: try turning off the sound server
[06:20] <robotgeek> Medrakil: can u try playing it with vlc
[06:21] <chodapp> I just tried to install Gentoo.
[06:21] <adwait> Ilomoga: hmm
[06:21] <chodapp> There are now CD shards sitting on my floor.
[06:21] <reka> Medrakil: xmms problem: change the output plugin to esound
[06:21] <Medrakil> adwait, that's not a package
[06:21] <chodapp> Ubuntu seems good so far...
[06:21] <Ilomoga> adwait: it's not the router because it works with windows or fedora and it works, too
[06:21] <auk> chodap: i did that just last week
[06:21] <adwait> !gstreamer
[06:21] <ubotu> adwait: Are you smoking crack?
[06:21] <Ilomoga> i mean i tried with win....
[06:21] <Ilomoga> :)
[06:21] <chodapp> auk, tried to install it, or shattered the CDs?
[06:21] <auk> tried to install it
[06:21] <adwait> ug......Medrakil, tr apt-cache search gstreamer
[06:21] <auk> did n't quite go that far
[06:22] <adwait> *try
[06:22] <six2one> Medraki: System---> Prefs-----> Sound possibly?
[06:22] <adwait> Ilomoga: hmm...beats me :), pretty much a newbie too :)
[06:22] <chodapp> auk, I needed uudecode to compile Madwifi drivers so I could get on the network. All the help in the channel revolved around 'emerge' this and that, and I didn't have net access, and the rest was just a giant mess.
[06:22] <six2one> Medraki: my thinkpad did the same thing until i turned off the sound server and now works good
[06:22] <Ilomoga> adwait: no prob, thanks for trying to help :)
[06:22] <robotgeek> chodapp: :)
[06:22] <chodapp> I've been on Slackware, but Slamd64 didn't work, and Slackware has no official 32-bit port
[06:23] <Medrakil> adwait, i think i have it
[06:23] <Ilomoga> another question - what do i have to do to get sound working without switching the gnome sound server off when i want to play a game?
[06:23] <chodapp> Ubuntu is Debian-based then?
[06:23] <adwait> Medrakil: i think libstreamer is the one
[06:23] <adwait> *libgstreamer
[06:23] <chodapp> Will it accomodate my needs to compile from source like crazy?
[06:23] <Ilomoga> chodapp: yes :)
[06:23] <Ilomoga> its debian-based
[06:23] <robotgeek> six2one: i had to modprobe the oss module
[06:23] <chodapp> Is it trivial to make most kernels work with it?
[06:23] <auk> chodapp: lol, i lost steam when i couldn' tget a package i needed (absolutely mandatory one) off the web (i was using an oldish cd i got from a book)
[06:24] <adwait> Medrakil: try gstreamer-properties and ask it to use ALSA/ESD
[06:24] <chodapp> auk, I had new CDs, and the handbook basically lost me when it didn't say anything about how to do networkless installation.
[06:24] <adwait> is xmms working now tht u chagned the output plugin to ESD (thru xmms itself)
[06:24] <adwait> ?
[06:24] <jasoncohen> hey look at this- apparently not all backports devs are morons. Another backports developer saw my forum post about how konversation broke kubuntu-desktop by depending on kdelibs4 3.4.1 and he immediately rebuilt it to depend on 3.4.0. the update is now in backports.
[06:24] <Medrakil> adwait, it's set for ESD
[06:24] <jasoncohen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=47258
[06:24] <chodapp> auk, I'm a Slackware veteran, I'm used to having a full system from a CD that requires no configuration
[06:24] <adwait> Medrakil: xmms? or gstreamer?
[06:25] <chodapp> auk,well, that requires a lot of configuration, but not a lot of extra crap to be installed
[06:25] <Medrakil> gstreamer
[06:25] <adwait> is xmms working?
[06:25] <robotgeek> Medrakil: I guess i'll let you try the rest till I bombard u with a things to do list :)
[06:25] <six2one> robotgeek: i had to do that on a desktop with an older board in it. It also kept looping the drum roll when ubuntu comes to login over and over and over. even with the sounds disabled. so i moved all the system .wav files to another directory and all is well :)
[06:25] <chodapp> but I have a feeling I'll be coming back here a lot to ask questions, at least initially.
[06:25] <ramblingturtle23> any suggestions on a good alternative to k3b?
[06:25] <auk> i just started with linux and all the world of nerds and geeks ~six months ago
[06:25] <six2one> xcdrost
[06:25] <chodapp> ramblingturtle23, xcdroast, gtoaster
[06:26] <six2one> xcdroast
[06:26] <Ilomoga> nero linux maybe?
[06:26] <Hieronymus> Ilomoga: no
[06:26] <Medrakil> yayy xmms works now :D
[06:26] <ramblingturtle23> thanks ill look into those
[06:26] <Groverman> ramblingturtle23, graveman !!!!
[06:26] <Hieronymus> gnomebaker
[06:26] <Hieronymus> graveman
[06:26] <auk> ubuntu is my first and only distro. been meaning to try others, though
[06:26] <Ilomoga> Hieronymus: what no?
[06:26] <Medrakil> adwait: thanks a lot, but what about rhythmbox?
[06:26] <reka> jasoncohen: well done :)
[06:26] <Hieronymus> Ilomoga: no nero for gnu/linux
[06:26] <adwait> Medrakil: good...hmm......wht error does it give whn it refuses to import mp3s?
[06:26] <Ilomoga> Hieronymus: why?
[06:27] <Medrakil> adwait, no plugin to handle it, i think
[06:27] <adwait> Medrakil: thts odd.....u hv gstreamer
[06:27] <adwait> :S
[06:27] <Groverman> auk, you should. I am torn between slack and ubuntu. i could not choose so i have a dual installation :-)
[06:27] <dougsk> wow! enterprise Ubuntu!
[06:27] <robotgeek> adwait,Medrakil : i had the same problem...now lemme try to recollect what I did!
[06:27] <Rockett17> I tried Xandros, Mandrake, RedHat, SuSE, Fedora, Knoppix, Yoper and finally landed on Ubuntu.. and was like "perfect!" :)
[06:27] <Medrakil> robotgeek, adwait,  wait, maybe it's working now...
[06:27] <luzbelito> wich program is good to rip and burn dvd ?
[06:28] <six2one> i just use ubuntu now cause fedora is an OK server...but its a pain in the arse to get how you want it
[06:28] <Rockett17> yeah six
[06:28] <Rockett17> it is
[06:28] <six2one> as a desktop its crap
[06:28] <six2one> i think
[06:28] <Rockett17> Ubuntu just works and the documentation rocks
[06:28] <robotgeek> Rockett17: esp the wiki!
[06:28] <luzbelito> wich program is good to rip and burn dvd ?
[06:28] <Groverman> tried MDK up to version 10.1. dependency hell kicked me off that train :-)
[06:28] <Rockett17> yeah
[06:29] <adwait> Medrakil: well?
[06:29] <Medrakil> robotgeek, adwait, it hasn't complained yet, and it's done heaps of songs.. :D thanks for the telepathic-magic-over-IP (tm) help xD
[06:29] <Rockett17> ditto Groverman.. and I always had problems with network cards being supported
[06:29] <six2one> you have to do so much to get it to work with the intel ipw2XXX drivers and what not....ubuntu is install and go
[06:29] <robotgeek> Medrakil: may the force be with you!
[06:29] <adwait> Medrakil: take a look at this as wellhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063&highlight=multiple+sounds
[06:29] <siorfin> i had to do a ton of work to get my centrino wokring in ubuntu
[06:29] <six2one> what laptop?
[06:29] <adwait> Medrakil: thts for multiple sounds to work.....not really wht important, but related, and most ppl starting off want it :)
[06:30] <siorfin> presario x1200
[06:30] <robotgeek> adwait: i came to the decision that multiple sounds suck, most of the time :)
[06:30] <siorfin> after a week of futzing with it it all of a sudden started working
[06:30] <six2one> ahhh..im on a T40p, do you have the intel wifi or broadcom?
[06:30] <siorfin> after that i havent touched it lol
[06:30] <D1> but after all that work, isn't it all worth it?
[06:30] <adwait> robotgeek: why?
[06:31] <D1> I had to do a few things to get my lappie working, but now its perfect.
[06:31] <adwait> robotgeek: come to think of it the only multiple sounds i hear are if i play two players / music + ubuntu sounds
[06:31] <siorfin> its worth it not going back to winblows but honestly that is a major turn off for anyone who isnt a geek and just wants it to work
[06:31] <Groverman> Rockett17, Slack is such a breeze on old hardware it is amazing. Ubuntu rocks on new hardware. I sort of must use both of them and is very happy with my installations. i can't imagine having anything else
[06:31] <D1> true.
[06:31] <siorfin> that is the downfall of linux unfortunately, the avg user cant use it yet so we are stuck with windows
[06:31] <robotgeek> adwait: i don't have any ubuntu sounds, so only music...
[06:31] <siorfin> well im not but the avg user is :)
[06:31] <D1> but I thought it was sort of fun, it kept me busy and learning.
[06:31] <Ilomoga> Another stupid question: I have to press ^ four times to get a simple ^^. How can I change that?
[06:31] <six2one> the only thing i had was xmms or any other prog to play sound without crashing and then i turned off the sound server and now everything works
[06:32] <robotgeek> adwait: my laptop is kinda old, so it doesn't really handle mutliple stuff well :)
[06:32] <adwait> robotgeek: hmm......the tutorial said to turn sound server off, but i turned it on anyway....and somehow i get ubuntu sounds now :)
[06:32] <adwait> robotgeek : k :)
[06:32] <virtuald> Ilomoga: turn off dead keys in keyboard properties
[06:32] <six2one> the system sounds use the soundserver
[06:32] <robotgeek> adwait: particularly good feature when u play video with sound!
[06:32] <six2one> but somehow it can conflict with xmms and what not
[06:32] <six2one> not all the time
[06:32] <adwait> robotgeek: hmm
[06:33] <siorfin> i followed a couple of howtos on the ubuntu forums and everything works flawlessly
[06:33] <siorfin> for sound
[06:33] <robotgeek> it's a pain to get the gtkpbbuttons to work properly...
[06:33] <anacron> what difference there is if i start using 64bit version of ubuntu, when i buy new computer?
[06:33] <ralc> how do i make a shortcut to a folder?
[06:33] <siorfin> basically switching from oss to alsa
[06:33] <anacron> ralc: i think it was nautilus /folder
[06:34] <six2one> i will never get any other notebook than a thinkpad
[06:34] <robotgeek> i need to document what I do...it works, then goes back to not working again!
[06:34] <adwait> ralc: short cut? like a link? or like windows short cut, double click and the folder opens?
[06:34] <six2one> put it in a wiki!
[06:34] <robotgeek> six2one: how abt a powerbook :)
[06:34] <ralc> adwait, double click and the folder opens
[06:34] <anacron> ralc: did you try what i said?
[06:35] <six2one> robotgeek: ok......you have a point....but the same company makes them both now dont they? they both have the activeprotection and what not. lol
[06:35] <adwait> ralc: for panel rich click>add to panel>custom launcher....then wht anacron said, nautilus /folder
[06:35] <leiden_ik> who developed ubuntu
[06:35] <leiden_ik> im' sory' im new?
[06:35] <ralc> anacron, ahh now i see what you mean :)
[06:35] <six2one> robotgeek: for basic linux support and nothing special i will take a thinkpad, if i had a powerbook i would leave OSX on it!
[06:35] <adwait> ralc: for desktop....right click on desktop and create and launcher and then the same
[06:36] <ralc> adwait/anacron if i want the shortcut in a folder?
[06:36] <robotgeek> six2one: i started hating fink :)
[06:36] <adwait> ralc: why would u want that?
[06:36] <anacron> ralc: then make a shortcut to a desktop, and same thing?
[06:36] <siorfin> i wouldnt buy a mac of any kind
[06:36] <siorfin> i hate macs
[06:36] <anacron> what's wrong with macs?
[06:36] <robotgeek> siorfin: why?
[06:36] <siorfin> gimme a pc that i can get working with linux and im happy
[06:36] <six2one> they have some good hardware
[06:36] <anacron> adwait: what do you use then?
[06:36] <nerull> Lo can anyone help me out here i got a huge apt problem :S
[06:37] <siorfin> im racist against mac, no particular reason
[06:37] <six2one> i have fedora on a dual 450 G4 right now
[06:37] <adwait> anacron: for folders and stuff i just stick to the terminal....faster/easier/more effecient
[06:37] <anacron> adwait: well that's true
[06:37] <adwait> nerull: somebody might.....if u actually told us wht the problem is
[06:37] <nerull> Look it's like this i cannot find some packages that i can find with the debian version of apt.
[06:37] <robotgeek> siorfin: macs just work
[06:38] <ralc> adwait, i want to make windows like a folder.. hmm my windows is mounted in /media/windows and my private stuff's in /ralc.. and i want a shortcut in /ralc that points to the windows mount
[06:38] <six2one> i will say that sometimes i get bored with them, but its like having a sailboat or something you use some of the time...lol
[06:38] <anacron> i usually do that too, but if im watching something like tv series, it's nice to see those thumbnails so you know which one of them you have already seen, if you don't remember the number...
[06:38] <jasoncohen> lol, i don't get backports. they put acroread, acroread-plugins, and mozilla-acroread in hoary-extras even though acroread 7 is in breezy
[06:38] <adwait> ralc: umm....why not make a shortcut on the desktop itself
[06:39] <adwait> ralc: i am not sure u can create a laumcher (as it is called in linux) in a folder
[06:39] <nerull> Look it's like this i cannot find some packages that i can find with the debian version of apt. The packages i am looking for are mc and klibido
[06:39] <reka> nerull: debian version of apt?
[06:39] <robotgeek> klibido?? lol!
[06:39] <jasoncohen> nerull, you need a universe source
[06:39] <nerull> reka: The apt-software running in debian :)
[06:39] <adwait> nerull: like wht? ur sources are fine?
[06:39] <jasoncohen> nerull, i can't believe mc isn't in main though...how nuts
[06:40] <reka> mc in is universe
[06:40] <reka> *is in
[06:40] <ralc> adwait, okay but i used your method and it works just perfect, thanks :)
[06:40] <jasoncohen> it should be in main
[06:40] <nerull> So what sources should i use ?
[06:40] <robotgeek> is mc midnight commander?
[06:40] <adwait> nerull: hb u enabled universe/multiverse in etc/apt/sources.list
[06:40] <adwait> ralc: np :)
[06:40] <nerull> Indeed robotgeek
[06:40] <jasoncohen> nerull, go into /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment all lines with universe/multiverse
[06:40] <nerull> adwait i dont think so :)
[06:40] <nerull> I did that :)
[06:40] <robotgeek> okie
[06:40] <jasoncohen> nerull, uncomment all deb lines and run apt-get update
[06:40] <nerull> Did so...
[06:41] <reka> nerull: ready-to-use sources.list: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[06:41] <adwait> nerull: could u paste ur sources.list to paste bin
[06:41] <nerull> Sure hold on
[06:41] <jasoncohen> reka, any idea why mc is in universe. i love mcedit
[06:42] <reka> jasoncohen: can't say.  never used it meself.
[06:42] <steve_> someone use his TV out ?
[06:42] <adwait> steve_: lemme guess.......on a powerpc with dual head?
[06:42] <nerull> I cant paste it with xchat :S
[06:43] <SDFH_Linux> no but i noticed on debian they came out with a tool for the nvidia cards
[06:43] <six2one> hey, whats the command to run the X config?
[06:43] <steve_> on a simply pc
[06:43] <nerull> adwait is it okay if i dcc it to u ?
[06:43] <jasoncohen> steve_, i do
[06:43] <six2one> i cant remember
[06:43] <adwait> nerull: no u paste it at pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:43] <jasoncohen> nerull, middle click
[06:43] <robotgeek> adwait: if someone documents this properly, i will get mine working
[06:43] <adwait> nerull: yeah u cann dcc it
[06:43] <jasoncohen> nerull, paste in pastebin and gives us the link
[06:43] <nimda-> some tips now before I install ubuntu? linux is new to me...
[06:43] <steve_> what kind of graphics card, better nvidia or ati
[06:44] <reka> six2one: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:44] <nimda-> with partitions and so on
[06:44] <SDFH_Linux> nvtv is the debian package for the tv out thing for nvidia cards
[06:44] <jasoncohen> steve_, i've done tv-out with both
[06:44] <adwait> robotgeek: ?? document wht?
[06:44] <SDFH_Linux> tool to control TV chips on NVidia cards under Linux
[06:44] <SDFH_Linux> This is a program to control the TV encoder chips on NVidia cards under
[06:44] <SDFH_Linux> Linux, in order to get tv-out with a wide range of resolutions and
[06:44] <SDFH_Linux> sizes, including "overscan" modes. It does even work with the free nv drivers.
[06:44] <dougsk> six2one, the one your prolly looking for is sudo dpkg-reconfigure -p low xserver-xorg
[06:44] <robotgeek> adwait: dual head from power pc
[06:45] <dougsk> reka oh oops I'm slow
[06:45] <adwait> robotgeek: dunno the soln, just tht seen someone else ask it as well.....tried searching/solving but not much
[06:45] <robotgeek> adwait: i need to patch/recompile xorg..i don't want to get into it right now
[06:45] <adwait> oh hey.....i think i found a patch
[06:45] <reka> nimda-: do you have windows currently on it?
[06:45] <steve_> thanks
[06:45] <reka> dougsk: your command seems more complete though :)
[06:45] <adwait> robotgeek: right .....tht day i found an xorg patch
[06:45] <robotgeek> adwait: that was me before :)
[06:45] <adwait> ooh
[06:45] <nerull> adwait : http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/451
[06:47] <adwait> nerull: hmm, maybe u should remove the nl. b4 the url in line 3,4 and try
[06:47] <adwait> remove the nl, save then apt-get update and try then
[06:47] <jasoncohen> can you install anything nerull?
[06:48] <gold> does anyone know how to install blender 3d?
[06:48] <nerull> yeah seasoncohen
[06:48] <gold> its not in synaptic
[06:48] <nerull> I installed apache mysql and some other stuff.
[06:48] <reka> adwait: those are just dutch mirrors.
[06:48] <jasoncohen> so you ran an apt-get update after changing sources.list and it was successful?
[06:48] <fia> i have problems with setting up mysqlserver in ubuntu. whats the simplest way to do it?
[06:48] <adwait> reka: i know.......but i figured maybe somethings wrong with the mirrors
[06:48] <nerull> Okay MC is found now :)_
[06:48] <adwait> anyway....ppl i gotta go for dinner...ill bbl
[06:49] <nerull> I think the dutch mirrors are incomplete ?
[06:49] <jasoncohen> nerull, just stick with the official mirror then
[06:49] <adwait> nerull: thts why i asked u to remove the nl and try :) just trying though.......no idea if thts right
[06:49] <nerull> :)
[06:49] <nerull> Okay thanks all
[06:50] <jasoncohen> weird
[06:50] <mostrodibiscotti> what if my board has onboard raid, and I do raid 0, will ubuntu work with it?
[06:50] <nerull> Jasoncohen i think so to :P
[06:51] <ubunutnewb> I'm having a  problem with my sound card. It doesn't appear to be working/configured properly. Alsa worked fine with it for toher distros. I'm not sure where to go on ubuntu to configure it manually either because alsaconf isn't locatable. Anyone offer some assistance?
[06:52] <ramblingturtle23> maybe we cant change the world but at least we can try to make a dent in it
[06:52] <nerull> Okay but what if i want to run a development or testing release how can i do that ?
[06:53] <athlon> anyone here have any success in watching tv-stream over internet ?
[06:53] <keyshawn> ramblingturtle23, do you mean that you want to beta-test a package in staging ?
[06:53] <Echelon-H> can anyone help me out here with some php code?
[06:53] <athlon> I just cant seem to make realplayer / helix / gxine to display c-span
[06:53] <nerull> Echolon-H shoot
[06:54] <robotgeek> athlon: the mozilla-mplayer plugin seems to work, it freezes a lot
[06:54] <ramblingturtle23> keyshawn- sure i dont know what that means but i am not afraid to reinstall
[06:54] <keyshawn> ramblingturtle23, what do you exactly need help with ?
[06:54] <robotgeek> ubunutnewb:gimme a sec :)
[06:54] <Gourami> evening all, I am about to install Hoary and 2003 server on the same machine, anything I should know before I begin ??
[06:54] <athlon> robotgeek, okay thanks, I'm gonna give it a try
[06:54] <nerull> Gourami dont
[06:54] <Echelon-H> I am trying to use an upload form but it says permission denied.
[06:54] <Gourami> lol
[06:54] <nerull> Keep your system clean ;)
[06:54] <Gourami> no really
[06:55] <Echelon-H> I don't know how to give it a permission
[06:55] <Gourami> I need both
[06:55] <reka> Gourami: 2003 as in windows?
[06:55] <rabies> hi
[06:55] <robotgeek> ubunutnewb: can u run alsamixer ?
[06:55] <Gourami> simply because its IMPOSSIBLE to set up a GPRS internet connection with ubuntu
[06:55] <Gourami> yes reka, 2003 server
[06:55] <nerull> So does anyone knows a binaire(News group) downloader for gnome that i can find with apt ?
[06:56] <reka> Gourami: hav eyou set up partitions already?
[06:56] <reka> *have you
[06:56] <Gourami> no havent done anything yet
[06:56] <Gourami> at the windows partition screen now
[06:57] <reka> Gourami: install windows first
[06:57] <Echelon-H> nerull, got any clue?
[06:57] <Gourami> ok, I have a 30gb which I am going to split 50/50
[06:57] <nerull> Echolon-H no i dont
[06:57] <Gourami> reka can I make ntfs or stick to fat32
[06:57] <reka> Gourami: ah, then leave some space for ubuntu.
[06:57] <skora> nerull, i recommend using pan
[06:57] <reka> Gourami: if you want r/w access then use FAT32.
[06:57] <skora> it's available in the repository.
[06:58] <Gourami> ok thanks...formatting...
[06:58] <nerull> Ropository ?
[06:58] <reka> NTFS is read only
[06:58] <nerull> *Repository ?
[06:58] <reka> !repositories
[06:58] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:58] <reka> nerull: go there
[06:58] <rabies> ubotu, who owns you?
[06:58] <ubotu> rabies: I give up, what is it?
[06:59] <gold> is there a way i can open an executable in a window
[06:59] <gold> instead of fullscreen
[06:59] <rabies> gold, depends on the program
[06:59] <gold> blender
[06:59] <gold> i have the executable
[06:59] <Keknehv> Hello everyone... does anyone know how to parse through a file and extract a string from every line? I think sed or awk might do it, but I'm not sure how to use them.
[06:59] <gold> i cant figure out how to install
[07:00] <rabies> gold, this a windows executable or a linux one?
[07:00] <Keknehv> apt-get install blender
[07:00] <gold> linux
[07:00] <Keknehv> gold: try this command: "sudo apt-get install blender"
[07:00] <rabies> oh right, blender the 3d editing app
[07:00] <robotgeek> damn these stupid wireless connections!
[07:01] <Keknehv> So... Say I want to extract the string from character 10 to 20 on every line, how would I do that?
[07:01] <rabies> Keknehv, #bash
[07:01] <gold> Keknehv, Couldn't find package
[07:01] <rabies> gold, i guess it hasnt been imported from the debian repositories..
[07:02] <gold> maybe called something else
[07:02] <gold> blender_3d?
[07:02] <reka> it's in universe
[07:02] <Keknehv> Yes, it probably is
[07:02] <gold> blender.3d
[07:02] <Medrakil> is there a way to get eclipse thru apt?
[07:02] <Keknehv> Open up synaptic for a bit
[07:02] <gold> me?
[07:02] <Keknehv> Search for something with the name containing "blender"
[07:02] <reka> Medrakil: apt-cache search <program>
[07:02] <Keknehv> yes
[07:02] <niet> a quick q - is there a bittorent tracker for ubuntu cdimages?
[07:02] <gold> k
[07:03] <gold> done
[07:03] <rabies> gold, or apt-file search bin/blender
[07:03] <Keknehv> Ok, did it find stuff?
[07:03] <Medrakil> reka: eclipse-nls-sdk - localized message catalog for eclipse  - that's it
[07:03] <gold> seraching blender comes up with nothing
[07:03] <Medrakil> no eclipse
[07:03] <gold> searching*
[07:03] <Keknehv> ok
[07:03] <Keknehv> You need to add the universe to the repositories
[07:04] <gold> how do i do that?
[07:04] <reka> then it's probably not in there (excluding backports)
[07:04] <Keknehv> In one of the menus
[07:04] <Keknehv> No, blender is there
[07:04] <Keknehv> I installed it
[07:04] <Keknehv> Go through the menus... you should find one thing labeled "repositories"
[07:04] <malakhi_> Medrakil: you need to download it from the eclipse website.
[07:04] <Medrakil> malakhi_, kk
[07:04] <gold> Keknehv, k found it
[07:05] <Keknehv> Good
[07:05] <gold> Keknehv, now what
[07:05] <Keknehv> Now, there should be a window with a list
[07:05] <gold> Keknehv, yah
[07:05] <Keknehv> Okay, hold on, I need to check this
[07:06] <mcdenyer> hey all im back :)
[07:06] <mcdenyer> :)
[07:06] <gold> Keknehv, I think i found it
[07:07] <mcdenyer> dbernar1: hey do i need to have a virux protector setup for ubuntu???
[07:07] <Keknehv> Okay, add universe to it
[07:07] <jeff__> salut
[07:07] <Keknehv> And multiverse, for good measure
[07:07] <gold> Keknehv, yah, its updating
[07:07] <reka> mcdenyer: afaik there are no viruses for linux distros.
[07:07] <gold> Keknehv, ill see if its working in a sec
[07:07] <reka> no spyware either!
[07:07] <mcdenyer> ok
[07:07] <Keknehv> gold: Excellent. Now it should be working.
[07:07] <HappyFool> ello
[07:08] <gold> Keknehv, Thanks for the help
[07:08] <mcdenyer> reka: really??? not even one?
[07:08] <jeff__> take assistance, I need help
[07:08] <glDaher> hi, I've just installed cvsweb, I already have a working apache2 and a cvs server too... but I don't know where the files were installed... man cvsweb say I should find it on http://localhost/cgi-bin/cvsweb ... but does not exist
[07:08] <reka> mcdenyer: afaik, not yet. :)
[07:08] <HappyFool> glDaher: try 'dpkg -L cvsweb' to find where the files are -- not sure about a URL
[07:08] <js_> mcdenyer: there are "viruses", but they dont work the same way as windows viruses, and often require a breakin and manual installation by an attacker (or misuse of the root account with hacked software)
[07:08] <Keknehv> mcdenyer: They patch it up really quickly, anyways.
[07:08] <mcdenyer> reka: i knew that like all viruses are for windows and that people didnt make viruses for linux distros but i thought thered be a few
[07:09] <gold> Keknehv, yah, is 2.36 the only one thats available?
[07:09] <mcdenyer> ok
[07:09] <reka> mcdenyer: ah, well js_ seems to know a bit more than me on that :)
[07:09] <mcdenyer> wow yay for ubuntu
[07:09] <Keknehv> It probably is, if that's all you're seeing
[07:09] <gold> Keknehv, cause i dont see 2.37
[07:09] <gold> Keknehv, k
[07:09] <Keknehv> Yes, sometimes the package list is a bit outdated
[07:09] <gold> Keknehv, Thanks again
[07:09] <js_> mcdenyer: if its a concern, run chrootkit regularly and install a free antivirus checker such as clamav or f-prot
[07:10] <glDaher> HappyFool: thx, they're installed to /usr/share/cvsweb
[07:10] <glDaher>  .. should I now point apache there?
[07:10] <mcdenyer> hey how much does cedega cost????
[07:10] <mcdenyer> ok
[07:10] <HappyFool> glDaher: sorry, don't know ;). look maybe in /usr/share/doc/cvsweb
[07:10] <reka> mcdenyer: iirc, it's a subscription service: $5/mth
[07:10] <glDaher> HappyFool: yeah, thx anyway
[07:11] <mcdenyer> damn i thought it was a onetime thing
[07:11] <mcdenyer> that sucks
[07:11] <robotgeek> ubunutnewb: sorry, my wireless network seems messef up
[07:11] <hyapadi> is there any program like netstumbler but for linux?
[07:12] <robotgeek> hyapadi: netstumbler :)
[07:12] <hyapadi> is there?
[07:12] <gold> Keknehv, how do you edit gnomes menus? if you know by chance
[07:12] <mcdenyer> hey ever since i installed ubuntu my computer boots to the bios config for some reson????
[07:12] <hyapadi> as far as i know it's only for win
[07:12] <reka> gold: google for smeg menu editor
[07:13] <robotgeek> hyapadi: it's there in the repository, i am not sure if it's the same thing
[07:13] <hyapadi> ok2 i'll try
[07:13] <gold> reka, i thought there was a built in program
[07:13] <hyapadi> is there any valuable tools for wireless? any?
[07:13] <gold> reka, or at least a text file you can edit
[07:13] <robotgeek> or try http://denu.sf.net
[07:13] <robotgeek> reka,gold :or try http://denu.sf.net
[07:14] <robotgeek> hyapadi: i am looking for some wireless management tools myself
[07:15] <ubunutnewb> Anyone know what package alsaconf is in since after isntalling alsa-utils it isn't in there?
[07:15] <HappyFool> 6.04 will be supported for 3 years on desktop? wow.
[07:15] <robotgeek> hyapadi: they are all in breezy...all the good progs are always in the testing section!
[07:15] <robotgeek> ubunutnewb: /Debian/Apps/System/Admin/alsaconf.desktop
[07:16] <HappyFool> ubunutnewb: a search on for alsaconf packages.ubuntu.com gives no hits
[07:16] <HappyFool> err
[07:16] <reka> gold: gnome has no built-in program.  and as far as editing a text file, seems kind of fiddly to me.
[07:16] <HappyFool> ubunutnewb: a search on packages.ubuntu.com for alsaconf gives no hits
[07:16] <jeff__> I looking for wine for ubuntu PPC
[07:16] <Keknehv> Wine is only x86
[07:16] <mcdenyer> reka: dang i was gonna use ubuntu and game but now i dont think im going to if i have to pay 5 a month
[07:17] <gold> reka, thats just how im used to doing it, from fluxbox
[07:17] <Keknehv> It stands for "WINE Is Not an Emulator"... so... it won't emulate it
[07:17] <jeff__> ok
[07:17] <robotgeek> HappyFool: it's supposed to be in the alsa-utils package
[07:17] <Hieronymus> ubunutnewb: jeroen@breezy:~$ apt-cache search alsaconf
[07:17] <Hieronymus> alsa-utils - ALSA utilities
[07:17] <jeff__> many thanks I'm not sure but now it's ok in my brain :)
[07:18] <HappyFool> robotgeek: hrm. not according to pacakages.ubuntu.com
[07:18] <ubunutnewb> I'll try reinstalling alsa-utils
[07:18] <HappyFool> ubunutnewb: does 'dpkg -L alsa-utils|grep alsaconf' give any hits?
[07:18] <jeff__> what is the solution for playing Starcraft on my ppc with only ubuntu ?? :)
[07:19] <robotgeek> HappyFool: there's even a menu location for it, but the command is not present anywhere!
[07:19] <glDaher> I just made a sym link for /usr/lib/cgi-bin... but shows a script begining with  ...  #!/usr/bin/perl -T
[07:20] <robotgeek> HappyFool: Try from menu Debian->Apps->System->Admin-> alsaconf
[07:20] <glDaher> means I should install perl... but perl is installed, then I guess I should configure apache to eecute it right?
[07:20] <HappyFool> robotgeek: hrm. and 'Provides: audio-mixer, alsautils, alsaconf'
[07:20] <OculusAquilae> hi
[07:20] <HappyFool> oh, i have alsa-utils
[07:20] <robotgeek> HappyFool: weird...maybe devs did not want us messing with alsaconf :)
[07:20] <thechitowncubs> wohoo, ubuntu foundation, money, money, money!
[07:21] <SDFH_Linux> $$
[07:21] <HappyFool> robotgeek: i'm not following that 'Debian->Apps' thing
[07:21] <anacron> hi
[07:21] <robotgeek> HappyFool: from the gnome menu
[07:21] <anacron> what things i need to make my wlan work
[07:21] <jasoncohen> in order to start kde in vnc i added startkde & to /home/jason/.vnc/xstartup. how would i do the same for gnome?
[07:21] <anacron> i have done it once
[07:21] <robotgeek> HappyFool: the shortcut to alsaconf exists, but alsaconf itself doesn't exist
[07:22] <jmjones> anacron: what problem are you having?
[07:22] <robotgeek> anacron: what wireless card?
[07:22] <anacron> robotgeek: i think it was d-link 510
[07:22] <HappyFool> robotgeek: your menu must be different to mine
[07:22] <anacron> jmjones: i don't member the commands
[07:22] <acid2_> is anyone good at solving build problems?
[07:22] <robotgeek> HappyFool: it's an autogenerated one, maybe it messed up :)
[07:22] <jeff__> anyone have ubuntu on imac ??
[07:22] <siorfin> whats the best theme for xfce
[07:22] <acid2_> heres my problem: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Dq2pmx20.html
[07:23] <anacron> it was something i had to convert those windows drivers
[07:23] <robotgeek> jeff__: powerbook good?
[07:23] <jeff__> I have more question :)
[07:23] <robotgeek> anacron: ndiswrapper?
[07:23] <jeff__> imac palourde
[07:23] <anacron> robotgeek: yeah!
[07:23] <anacron> robotgeek: what was the another one?
[07:23] <robotgeek> jeff__: sorry, never heard of it...old world mac?
[07:23] <anacron> robotgeek: to make it work
[07:23] <jeff__> I haven't a good template for my keyboard
[07:23] <jeff__> imace G3
[07:24] <HappyFool> acid2_: target ` ' ? looks a bit weird
[07:24] <robotgeek> anacron: usually u only need ndiswrapper
[07:24] <jeff__> palourde is her french name
[07:24] <acid2_> HappyFool, ya
[07:24] <robotgeek> jeff__: :) ... template for keybard, don't quite follow you there...
[07:24] <acid2_> thats after 'make'
[07:25] <anacron> robotgeek: but there was some command to activate it
[07:25] <HappyFool> acid2_: looks like a screwy makefile. I've never seen a target ` ' -- I don't even know how one would specify such a target in a makefile
[07:25] <anacron> damn that my another computer won't work
[07:25] <robotgeek> anacron: okie, lemme look it up
[07:26] <anacron> robotgeek: hey you don't have to anymore
[07:26] <anacron> i found it, it's modprobe
[07:26] <robotgeek> anacron: ah okie...
[07:28] <jeff__> where I can configure my keyboard touch ?
[07:32] <Hieronymus> jeff__: special keys? system -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts
[07:32] <acid2_> HappyFool, so, no ideas then?
[07:33] <HappyFool> acid2_: nope. Have you looked inside the Makefile ?
[07:33] <acid2_> yea, but I cant understand them
[07:33] <acid2_> :P
[07:33] <heinrich> When i try to install the .rpm's with alien with the command alien -i filename.rpm nothing appears to happen
[07:33] <reka> heinrich: cos it only converts it.
[07:33] <heinrich> how do i install them then?
[07:33] <reka> heinrich: you then use dpkg -i <deb file> to install it
[07:33] <bddebian> heinrich: It turns it into a .deb, it doesn't insall it
[07:34] <heinrich> oh ok
[07:34] <heinrich> thanks
[07:34] <bddebian> Damn reka, do you live here? :-)
[07:35] <reka> bddebian: no, i only show up when you're here so i can get in with answers first.
[07:35] <bddebian> reka: :-)
[07:36] <iceman2k> I need advice on running ubuntu on a mac ...
[07:37] <bddebian> iceman2k: What kind of advice?
[07:37] <iceman2k> would this system run it ... iMac G3 266 MHz 32 MB 6GB
[07:37] <heinrich> when i try alien -d filename.rpm it says cannot create directory file exists, does this mean its already on my system somewheres?
[07:38] <bddebian> iceman2k: SHould.  The 32Mb is a little low but it should run
[07:38] <{Seb}> i'm running Ubuntu on my iBook G4
[07:38] <caldwell> if i have module source (for example, in my case, lirc) how do I compile it against the source tree for the stock kernel image?
[07:38] <Sionide> I neglected to blog about sudoedit, which is a technique I learned about from Flavio. When needing to edit a file, I've been using sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list (for example).
[07:38] <Sionide> sudoedit is cool because it launches whatever the default editor is on the system (the $EDITOR variable), on Ubuntu by default this launches nano, while people like me set the default editor to be vim.
[07:38] <Sionide> So now when someone needs help and asks you which file to edit, you can just tell them sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list and it will launch their editor of choice. Leaving the text editor out of the conversation is of course a bonus, lest an emacs user hurl something heavy at me from across the room.
[07:38] <{Seb}> which is weird in its self but how can i access my second button
[07:38] <{Seb}> is there a key cobination
[07:38] <reka> iceman2k: probably very slowly. :)
[07:38] <Sionide> ( http://www.whiprush.org/ )
[07:38] <Sionide> that is so useful...
[07:39] <HappyFool> Sionide: nice
[07:39] <caldwell> i installed the linux-source-2.6.10 package, but i don't think that's what i need
[07:39] <Sionide> and... :o http://photos18.flickr.com/24137973_41d007961b.jpg wow! gui for running services... cool
[07:40] <HappyFool> caldwell: you probably want linux-headers-386 (or -686, -k7, etc)
[07:40] <caldwell> okay, i'll try
[07:41] <Aragorn_Guardian> hi
[07:41] <Aragorn_Guardian> how can i share my local printer in samba? is not working
[07:42] <Aragorn_Guardian> i am using printing = cups
[07:43] <HappyFool> Aragorn_Guardian: maybe look on the wiki, e.g., here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWinXP
[07:43] <Aragorn_Guardian> /etc/cups/printers.conf seems ok
[07:43] <Aragorn_Guardian> nice...thanks
[07:44] <dawkirst__> I seem to have trouble printing as well, from OpenOffice - the printing comes out all scrambled.
[07:44] <mark__> Help!
[07:44] <goldfish> no!
[07:45] <mark__> can someone tell me the default root password? for ubuntu?
[07:45] <goldfish> mark__: what's wrong?
[07:45] <goldfish> mark__: there is none
[07:45] <goldfish> ubuntu uses sudo
[07:45] <redtech_> im trying to install wpasupplicant via apt-get install wpasupplicant and I recieve and error MD5Sum mismatch. What is the root cause of this problem?
[07:45] <Groverman> mark__, there is no root password because root does not exist if you do not create it yourself
[07:45] <goldfish> and the password for that is the password of the account activated during install.
[07:45] <rabies> goldfish, ubunutu has no root user?
[07:45] <Groverman> rabies, that is correct
[07:46] <mark__> I typed in root with no password. and it said incorect password.
[07:46] <HappyFool> redtech: probably dud repository. try changing your repo to 'archive.ubuntu.com' instead of 'xx.archive.ubuntu.com' in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:46] <Groverman> mark__, it is because there is no user named root
[07:46] <eruin> anyone else think the terminal menu item should be in accessories instead of system tools ?
[07:46] <rabies> Groverman, how'd you modify System V to eliminate the root user?
[07:46] <HappyFool> Groverman: eh ?
[07:46] <mark__> can you tell me how I create one.. I'm new to this..
[07:46] <HappyFool> rabies: root is just disabled
[07:47] <HappyFool> err, sorry, can't tell who's asking what
[07:47] <Groverman> mark__, yes. type in sudo su
[07:47] <mark__> oh.. Ok
[07:47] <eruin> rabies, ubuntu has root, but it's disabled. you can set a password for root to enable it though
[07:47] <Groverman> mark__, enter your password
[07:47] <rabies> in other words a randomly generated password is placed over the root account...at least i'd hope its random...
[07:47] <Moppin> !info root
[07:47] <Groverman> mark__, then type passwd
[07:47] <eruin> !root
[07:47] <ubotu> [root]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:48] <Groverman> mark__, when you have typed in a password you can use the root account
[07:48] <redtech_> HappyFool, excellent, ty!
[07:48] <redtech_> HappyFool, I change us.archive to just archive.
[07:49] <HappyFool> rabies: no, the account is disabled: this is what 'sudo grep root /etc/shadow' says: 'root:*:12884:0:99999:7:::'
[07:49] <rabies> heh, no shell
[07:49] <rabies> k, disabled then
[07:49] <HappyFool> no, i think '*' means disabled. see 'man shadow'
[07:50] <jasoncohen> does anyone know where the remote desktop tool saves its settings?
[07:50] <mark__> wow this is different to fedora core
[07:50] <bddebian> mark__: And thank goodness for that :-)
[07:51] <mark__> Ahh I love this little os :)
[07:51] <mark__> nice and neat
[07:51] <HappyFool> redtech: good stuff. us.archive has been broken before, iirc
[07:52] <baggetFUNKI> hey there,
[07:52] <bddebian> Hello baggetFUNKI
[07:52] <baggetFUNKI> could anybody point me in the direction of using multiple monitors
[07:52] <baggetFUNKI> one of which being rotated
[07:52] <mark__> thanks for your help guys... this is quite a nice chat/OS :)
[07:53] <baggetFUNKI> basically. got one dvi monitor in portrait
[07:53] <baggetFUNKI> at 1280x1024
[07:53] <baggetFUNKI> and a crt monitor in landscape at 1024x768
[07:53] <HappyFool> baggetFUNKI: the wiki has these: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XineramaHowTo and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XineramaMultipleMonitors
[07:54] <baggetFUNKI> awesome
[07:54] <baggetFUNKI> thanks
[07:54] <mark__> a few more questions, I'm using this admin account. can I install stuff and does ubuntu support mp3 playback?
[07:54] <HappyFool> i wonder if we could connect ubotu to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TitleIndex
[07:55] <HappyFool> mark__: you can install *lots* of apps using the apt system. For mp3 playback, take a look at wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:55] <HappyFool> mark__: a GUI interface to apt is Synaptic, available at System -> Adminsitration -> Synaptic
[07:56] <mark__> I must install the KDE desktop :)
[07:57] <HappyFool> mark__: the kubuntu-desktop package is what you want
[07:57] <HappyFool> !repositories
[07:57] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:57] <kbrooks> mark__, kubuntu-desktop
[07:57] <yonil> anyone here had luck using mencoder or transcode or something to encode into divx/xvid or other formats?
[07:57] <HappyFool> mark__: take a look at that url to add apt repositories
[07:59] <Franklinux> I cant run ubuntu 5.? ver 64bit in my computer
[07:59] <concept10> yes
[07:59] <HappyFool> Franklinux: what error do you get?
[08:01] <Franklinux> The monitor is dead I have a ASUS A8V-E DELUX with a pci express grapic card
[08:01] <anacron> hey, is there a messenger like program(like gaim) for ubuntu which has support for webcamera?
[08:02] <varjag> hi, i need help configuring my notebook's touchpad
[08:02] <jmjones> anacron: i think gnomeeting
[08:02] <D1> varjag, is Synaptics installed?
[08:02] <Hieronymus> anacron: the next amsn version will have support for that, and so will gaim-vv
[08:02] <Hieronymus> !webcam
[08:02] <D1> most laptops use it.
[08:03] <ubotu> Hieronymus: Bugger all, i dunno
[08:03] <ed1t> varjag wat laptop is it/
[08:03] <varjag> D1: xroot-driver-synaptis apt says, but it doesn't work
[08:03] <D1> what kind of laptop?
[08:03] <varjag> maxselect e910, a minor russian brand i think
[08:03] <Hieronymus> ubotu: webcam is Support for webcams with messenger-like programs will be available in the next version of amsn (already in the CVS version) and with gaim-vv
[08:03] <ubotu> Hieronymus: okay
[08:03] <D1> oh hmmm
[08:03] <Hieronymus> !webcam
[08:03] <ubotu> I guess webcam is Support for webcams with messenger-like programs will be available in the next version of amsn (already in the CVS version) and with gaim-vv
[08:04] <Hieronymus> cool, ubotu :)
[08:04] <icedutah> What's a good html editor like :( Dreamweaver for Ubuntu? Does it come with anything like that other than Openoffice?
[08:04] <D1> did you google to see if anyone had it running under linux?
[08:04] <D1> uhmmm
[08:04] <Hieronymus> icedutah: bluefish, nvu, quanta
[08:04] <D1> nv
[08:04] <D1> somet hing
[08:04] <D1> yeah
[08:04] <D1> I just downloaded that.
[08:04] <mark__> can you tell me the command to install the kde desktop?
[08:04] <mark__> sorry, I'm very new to linux :P
[08:04] <OculusAquilae> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:04] <mindspin> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:04] <bddebian> mark__: Either use synaptic, or "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[08:04] <D1> ditto
[08:04] <mindspin> ;-)
[08:05] <icedutah> thanks...I'll check them out. I'm installing Ubuntu now.
[08:05] <mark__> I cant find that program in the envo
[08:05] <jmjones> or you could "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[08:05] <varjag> D1: google has nothing on it it seems
[08:05] <OculusAquilae> than #kubuntu would be a good channel for you mark_
[08:05] <bddebian> jmjones: :)
[08:05] <ed1t> varjag wat laptop do u have?
[08:05] <Franklinux> I can't istall ubuntu 5.x in my computer I have a ASUS A8V-E Deluxe
[08:05] <jmjones> mark__: which program can't you find?
[08:05] <bddebian> mark__: Do you have Universe and Multivers enabled in your sources.list?
[08:05] <SDFH_Linux> does ubuntu have xpde gui on there reps
[08:06] <Hieronymus> SDFH_Linux: nope
[08:06] <bddebian> SDFH_Linux: Not yet, it is on the list to be done
[08:06] <SDFH_Linux> whoa really they are going to port it over
[08:06] <rabies> Franklinux, got anything else?
[08:06] <mark__> I wanna thank you all for helping me out.. I'm really new to linux.
[08:06] <rabies> :)
[08:06] <bddebian> SDFH_Linux: Depends on if an MOTU picks it up.  I thought about trying it just for fun..
[08:06] <Franklinux> no
[08:06] <SDFH_Linux> same here
[08:06] <bddebian> SDFH_Linux: I meant to package it for Ubuntu
[08:06] <rabies> Franklinux, well then you are missing a few critical things, such as a cdrom drive
[08:06] <Franklinux> It's a 64bit\
[08:06] <Hieronymus> bddebian: SDFH_Linux it's on the wishlist, not the same as 'will be done'
[08:07] <mark__> I think I've been using windows to long :P
[08:07] <SDFH_Linux> k
[08:07] <varjag> ed1t: maxselect e910
[08:07] <rabies> Franklinux, i would go and get a processor, case, maybe a few fans, powersupply, etc
[08:07] <mark__> I miss yum :'(
[08:07] <HappyFool> mark__: i think you may learn to love apt ;)
[08:08] <varjag> is there any configurator for Xorg, like xconfigure for XFree86?
[08:08] <bddebian> mpmc: You won't missed it soon
[08:08] <OculusAquilae> mark__ or aptitude
[08:08] <mpmc> well I don't like Gnome
[08:08] <bddebian> varjag: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg Is that what you mean?
[08:08] <jmjones> mpmc: i used to hate gnome
[08:08] <Franklinux> jajaja I have the compleat system but the main componet that is guiving me problems is the motherboard and the video card
[08:08] <fdr> hello... I perfectly know that I can do it from the terminal with the passwd command; but what is the gnome way to change one's password? thank you!
[08:08] <ed1t> varjag Xorg configure
[08:08] <rabies> Franklinux, ohh, ok
[08:08] <mpmc> Sorry, I've got so used to KDE and fedora :P
[08:08] <jmjones> mpmc: but after i drank the kool-aid, i really like it :-)
[08:08] <ed1t> or Xorg -config
[08:08] <ed1t> i forgot
[08:08] <rabies> Franklinux, that makes more sense then
[08:09] <bddebian> fdr: System -> Administration -> Users and Groups
[08:09] <rabies> Franklinux, more detail = better
[08:09] <Stan2> My computer does not have a standard ethernet port... It does have a similar port with something that looks like a piramid. What is this port called?
[08:09] <rabies> Franklinux, hard to fix a problem with what you are telling us
[08:09] <ed1t> varjag lemme see your mouse configuration
[08:09] <rabies> Stan2, get a ethernet card...
[08:09] <bddebian> Stan2: Is is a Smash-n-toss?
[08:09] <varjag> ed1t: 1 sec
[08:09] <rabies> Stan2, 20 bucks USD or probably something similar in euros
[08:09] <Franklinux> when i try to install I guet a black screen
[08:09] <ed1t> paste it on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:09] <Stan2> rabies, and that will work properly?
[08:10] <fdr> bddebian: but this works only if the user is a sudoer, doesn't it?
[08:10] <mpmc> lol.. I'm an idiot.. I didn't see system in the bar LOL
[08:10] <rabies> Stan2, sure, the vast majority of cards are supported
[08:10] <rabies> Stan2, i dont know what your pyrmaid port is
[08:10] <Stan2> rabies, ok thats what i planned on doing just wanted to check if it was a good idea.  thanks
[08:10] <Franklinux> the video card is not being reco
[08:10] <rabies> Stan2, maybe its firewire...
[08:10] <bddebian> fdr: You mean change your own password if you are not a sudoer?
[08:10] <Stan2> rabies, no
[08:10] <fdr> bddebian: yes
[08:10] <rabies> Stan2, weird, ok
[08:10] <HappyFool> rabies: it's to power the stargate!
[08:10] <Pizentios> Quick Question: How large is a ubuntu install? Or can i choose how large/how small to make it?
[08:10] <Stan2> rabies, this computer was before firewire... its next to the modem input
[08:10] <ed1t> Franklinux you will have to configure it manually?
[08:11] <bddebian> fdr: Hmm, dunno.  YOu might be able to change your own password that way.
[08:11] <Franklinux> I don't have any problem with SUSE 9.3
[08:11] <rabies> HappyFool, becareful, dont dump us on an alien planet with freaky egyptians
[08:11] <Franklinux> HOW
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> Pizentios,  options are server, or desktop install.  its fairly small install.
[08:11] <rabies> Stan2, nope, not a clue
[08:11] <Pizentios> Sweet thanks, just got a old laptop for free and i figured i'd try out something new :-)
[08:11] <Franklinux> HOW ??????
[08:12] <rabies> Franklinux: give us your COMPLETE system specifications
[08:12] <ed1t> Franklinux you still have suse 9.3 installed?
[08:12] <rabies> Franklinux: i want to know the material of the case
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:12] <Franklinux> yes
[08:12] <rabies> Franklinux: with what you are telling us we couldnt figure out if its the videocard or the fact that the computer isnt plugged in
[08:12] <Franklinux> well no
[08:12] <rabies> its quite frusterating
[08:12] <ed1t> Franklinux k copy the xorg.conf or XF86Config to ubuntu....and make some changes
[08:13] <ed1t> it might work
[08:13] <Franklinux> the video card is a ATI x700pro
[08:13] <ed1t> thats how i did mine
[08:13] <rabies> Franklinux: thats a step in the right direction
[08:13] <mpmc> Ohh.. I'm really impressed...
[08:13] <rabies> Franklinux: now the CPU temp while running?
[08:13] <jasoncohen> does anyone know how to start gnome from vnc. gnome-session & doesn't work
[08:14] <rabies> jasoncohen: you gotta stick /usr/bin/gnome-session in the vnc config file
[08:14] <Franklinux> I can't run the live ver or ubuntu
[08:14] <rabies> jasoncohen: i forget what its called...some . file in your home dir
[08:14] <jasoncohen> rabies, already done
[08:14] <ed1t> vnc?
[08:14] <jasoncohen> rabies, /home/username/.vnc/xstartup you mean
[08:14] <rabies> jasoncohen: is gnome workin w/o vnc?
[08:14] <bddebian> ed1t: Virtual Network Computing. Lick pcAnywhere kinda
[08:14] <jasoncohen> yup
[08:14] <eruin> anyone got fglrx working in breezy?
[08:14] <ed1t> ooo
[08:14] <jasoncohen> rabies, and i can start kde with startkde &
[08:14] <Franklinux> the xserver is not working
[08:14] <rabies> jasoncohen: so startkde works under vnc?
[08:14] <bddebian> s/Lick/Like :-)
[08:14] <jasoncohen> rabies, i can use vino - but i want to have a virtual session
[08:15] <Franklinux> I can't start x
[08:15] <jasoncohen> rabies, yes
[08:15] <serengeti> what can be a reason that every couple of restarts my thikpad hangs instead of showing a gdm screen?
[08:15] <rabies> Franklinux: you seem to know a lot for someone who doesnt give any info..
[08:15] <jasoncohen> vino runs on 5900. i want a vnc session on 5901
[08:15] <HappyFool> Franklinux: look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for error messages
[08:15] <rabies> jasoncohen: try using tightvnc or one of the other ones
[08:15] <rabies> jasoncohen: might be a realvnc specific issue
[08:15] <Franklinux> I have a Black screen how do you spect me to copy some thing thatr i cant seeeee
[08:15] <rabies> jasoncohen: or visa-versa
[08:16] <HappyFool> Franklinux: can you not even log in on a text console ?
[08:16] <rabies> Franklinux: look, you have hardware you arent talking about, you have steps leading up to that black screen
[08:16] <Franklinux> NO
[08:16] <jasoncohen> rabies, ok
[08:16] <HappyFool> Franklinux: what do you see on bootup ? any text messages ?
[08:16] <ed1t> Franklinux get the conf file from suse and try that file....
[08:16] <ed1t> it might work or you will have make some minor changes
[08:17] <rabies> Franklinux: its like me saying "I HAVE A COMPUTER" and expecting everyone to know how to take it apart and put it back together again without knowing what components are there and what they are
[08:17] <Franklinux> ok i'lldo that and  see what  happ
[08:17] <rabies> Franklinux: what happens before the blank screen, and right after?
[08:17] <rabies> Franklinux: any noises? tell tale signs of an issue?
[08:17] <rabies> Franklinux: is it black or some other color?
[08:17] <toasta> Has anyone tried the new installer for ati cards? Works great on Suse and Redhat but most others it don't work.
[08:17] <ed1t> varjag yo did u find it?
[08:17] <rabies> toasta: i use the deb packages...
[08:18] <jmjones> anyone here running breezy?  if so, how stable is it?
[08:18] <Franklinux> ok  let me try it ok and ill guet back with all the inf
[08:18] <Franklinux> thank you
[08:18] <varjag> ed1t: i did find, it but trying to recall what it was originally
[08:18] <varjag> before i tweaked it :)
[08:18] <kbrooks> jmjones, test
[08:18] <kbrooks> jmjones, oh
[08:18] <kbrooks> ok
[08:18] <jasoncohen> rabies, both realvnc & tightvnc work with kde but neither will start gnome with gnome-session &
[08:18] <kbrooks> jmjones, breezy is unstable
[08:18] <jmjones> kbrooks: how unstable?
[08:18] <ed1t> varjag wat versoin u using? hoary or warty/
[08:19] <mpmc> Hi again yall
[08:19] <toasta> where did you get those? if you dont mind my ignorince
[08:19] <varjag> ed1t: how do i know? :)_
[08:19] <rabies> jasoncohen: are you just putting in gnome-session, or the absolute path?
[08:19] <ed1t> varjag well u insatalled the ubutun
[08:19] <ed1t> ubuntu
[08:19] <kbrooks> jmjones, i dont know?
[08:19] <ed1t> u using ubuntu 5.04?
[08:19] <jasoncohen> i did /usr/bin/gnome-session & and exec /usr/bin/gnome-session &
[08:19] <ed1t> or 4.10
[08:19] <jasoncohen> but it shouldn't matter - startkde & works
[08:20] <varjag> ed1t: yes, 5.04
[08:20] <ed1t> k
[08:20] <jmjones> kbrooks: does it kill crap?
[08:20] <rabies> jasoncohen: yeah, but relying on $PATH isnt recomended
[08:20] <kimo> hi, I noticed apt-get connects multiple times simulataneously to the server. Any idea where is that configured
[08:20] <rabies> jasoncohen: how are you starting vnc?
[08:20] <kbrooks> jmjones, i heard X is broken
[08:20] <ed1t> varjag open a terminal window, type in sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:21] <jasoncohen> rabies, with vncserver as a user
[08:21] <rabies> jasoncohen: it really sounds like a gnome specific issue, irc.gimp.org has most of the gnome devs in there, they might know something
[08:21] <acid2_> Does anyone know of something in Linux I can use to stream audio from a web radio?
[08:21] <jmjones> kbrooks: ooh.....can't deal with that.  i need my x
[08:21] <rabies> acid2_: VLS
[08:21] <ed1t> paste that configuration to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:21] <acid2_> rabies, thanks I'll look into that
[08:21] <ed1t> do that while i reboot into linux
[08:21] <ed1t> brb
[08:21] <rabies> acid2_: that'll relay it...VLC can play it or relay it
[08:21] <HappyFool> kimo: try maybe 'man apt.conf' or 'man apt_preferences'
[08:21] <varjag> ed1t: yeah, done that, changed the protocol to imps2, added coredevice option to it - still no luck
[08:21] <kbrooks> jmjones, one breezy user reported that everything was the same .....
[08:21] <punkrockguy318> Which is better for a hard drive:  a USB2.0 hdd, or an IDE?
[08:21] <varjag> ed1t: that book has no network atm
[08:21] <acid2_> rabies, I need to burn it to a cd
[08:21] <ed1t> hmmm
[08:22] <kbrooks> nothing went bad or anything
[08:22] <rabies> punkrockguy318: firewire or IDE or SCSI
[08:22] <ed1t> ooo
[08:22] <ed1t> welll brb
[08:22] <bddebian> punkrockguy318: IDE
[08:22] <rabies> punkrockguy318: avoid USB at all costs
[08:22] <Kyral> SATA....
[08:22] <punkrockguy318> rabies, why?
[08:22] <rabies> acid2_: k
[08:22] <kbrooks> jmjones, everything the same as hoary
[08:22] <toasta> yes avoid usb
[08:22] <rabies> punkrockguy318: USB works using burst transmission...meaning you cant get a good steady data stream off it, which is fine for backups, but not so good for using it as a real hd
[08:23] <punkrockguy318> rabies, alright
[08:23] <punkrockguy318> rabies, yeah, i bought the drive for a backup drive, but i was just wondering if i should use it for my main
[08:23] <rabies> punkrockguy318: not such a good idea...
[08:23] <punkrockguy318> rabies, yeah, i'll stick with it for a backup drive
[08:23] <rabies> k
[08:25] <kbrooks> scsi > ide > *
[08:25] <kbrooks> ;)
[08:25] <toasta> rabies: do you mind telling me where you got that driver? and does it have the control panel?
[08:25] <mpmc> OMG NOOO.. I cannot mount my windows for reading :|
[08:25] <rabies> toasta: driver? for what?
[08:25] <HappyFool> mpmc: what error do you get?
[08:25] <rabies> oh, right
[08:25] <toasta> deb ati
[08:25] <mpmc> it says I need to me root
[08:26] <rabies> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
[08:26] <mpmc> Any ideas?
[08:26] <HappyFool> mpmc: you can probably tweak /etc/fstab to make it user mountable, if that's really what you want
[08:26] <bddebian> mpmc: Are you using mount ?
[08:26] <HappyFool> mpmc: else just use 'sudo'
[08:26] <toasta> many thanks!
[08:26] <HappyFool> mpmc: as in 'sudo mount <stuff>'
[08:26] <bddebian>  <stuff> :-)
[08:26] <Hieronymus> !mountwindows
[08:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, mountwindows is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[08:26] <rabies> toasta: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6865.html
[08:26] <mpmc> no.. In KDE.. trying to access the drive and it says I need to be root to mount it
[08:27] <rabies> toasta: theres some ubuntu specific info on it
[08:27] <skew> Hi, my office mate and I are getting an MD5Sum error trying to apt-get emacs21. Can anybody help/check?
[08:27] <husher> anyone here tried upgrading to breezy?
[08:28] <rabies> people seem to be obsessed w/ installing unstable versions of software...
[08:28] <HappyFool> skew: probably dud repository. change us.archive in /etc/apt/sources.list to archive
[08:28] <rabies> it'll be stable when its stable
[08:28] <steven_> WHAT UP GUYS!
[08:28] <husher> yes, i am :)
[08:28] <mpmc> Ok this is the error mount: only root can mount /dev/hda1 on /media/windows
[08:28] <Discipulus> steven_, nada
[08:28] <mpmc> damm it :P
[08:28] <husher> skew: the proper command is 'sudo apt-get install vim' ;)
[08:29] <skew> oh, I've already done that
[08:29] <Discipulus> mpmc, then use 'sudo'
[08:29] <rabies> husher: if you are really wanting to use it, install it in a chroot sandbox
[08:29] <rabies> husher: theres docs on how to do it on the web
[08:29] <HappyFool> skew: did you 'apt-get update' ?
[08:29] <husher> rabies: that's a good idea
[08:29] <skew> yeah, right before
[08:29] <skew> us.archive is busted?
[08:29] <HappyFool> skew: someone else reported problems a few minutes ago
[08:29] <husher> rabies: thanks
[08:29] <rabies> husher: np
[08:29] <skew> okay
[08:29] <HappyFool> mpmc: are you at the command line?
[08:30] <zero___> Who here can help me?
[08:30] <toasta> with what?
[08:30] <mpmc> woo I did it :)
[08:30] <husher> zero___: some of us will try, if you ask a question
[08:31] <zero___> I've installed everything on the CD and it can't load GRUB it says Error 18
[08:31] <rabies> zero___: depends on how you ask ;)
[08:31] <skew> HappyFool: thanks, it installed fine from archive
[08:31] <HappyFool> skew: cool. happy emacsing ;) and ignore those vi heretics!
[08:31] <husher> zero___: this is during the install?
[08:31] <jasoncohen> i asked in #gnome in irc.gimp.com. someone had the same problem with vnc and fixed it but he doesn't remember how.
[08:32] <husher> vi is the only True Way ;)
[08:32] <HappyFool> from 'info grub:' 18 : Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS
[08:32] <zero___> This happened after it rebooted and tried to boot from the Hard disk
[08:33] <rabies> jasoncohen: =\
[08:33] <rabies> husher: i hate vi...
[08:33] <HappyFool> zero___: how is the disk partitioned?
[08:33] <husher> HappyFool: he needs a smaller boot partition, maybe?
[08:33] <zero___> I used the auto partition
[08:33] <toasta> zero: are you using pci controller for drives
[08:33] <meshugga> hello, any ibm db2 users that can help me with a backup prob. here? :x
[08:33] <zero___> Not sure
[08:33] <HappyFool> husher: i think it may be that the '/boot' partition is too far from the disk start, but i'm not sure
[08:33] <HappyFool> zero___: you have windows on the computer?
[08:33] <shad0w1e> question: I'm running hoary and my computer is running very slow. Unreal Tournament chops up all the time (and the same computer, even a worse machine, running windows, plays the game just fine) The 3d acceleration is set up fine so I think it's something to do with the hard drive speed.... any ideas? Thanks!
[08:33] <mpmc> Woooo!
[08:33] <zero___> Not on that one
[08:33] <steven_> does anyone know a way i can play starcraft on linux
[08:33] <zero___> Won't touch the hard drive with it
[08:33] <mpmc> You guys rock!
[08:34] <toasta> like a scsi or promise ide controller
[08:34] <HappyFool> zero___: ok, can you describe what is on the computer then? only ubuntu?
[08:34] <husher> HappyFool: that'd be my guess, or it is all one partition, past the 1024 cylinder
[08:34] <mpmc> :)
[08:34] <rabies> steven_: www.transgaming.com or www.winehq.com
[08:34] <zero___> I erased everything and tried to install Ubuntu
[08:34] <zero___> I had RedHat 9 on it
[08:34] <HappyFool> weird
[08:34] <toasta> ive had that problem in suse 9.3 and pci controllers
[08:34] <HappyFool> you *sure* it was error 18?
[08:34] <zero___> It's on the screen right now
[08:34] <husher> shad0wle: i'd say you have a driver issue
[08:34] <HappyFool> toasta: oh?
[08:35] <rabies> zero___: for application specific issues i would try the #programname, eg #grub
[08:35] <shad0w1e> husher, any way of checking to make sure my hard drive is running in DMA mode?
[08:35] <rabies> shad0w1e: hdparm
[08:35] <toasta> yep, other than ignoring it i had to go back to onboard ide controller
[08:35] <husher> shad0wle: hdparm should tell you
[08:35] <zero___> Should I try to install everything again and manually configure the partition scheme?
[08:35] <mik__> hdparm -tT /dev/hda
[08:35] <husher> though i'm not sure exactly how
[08:35] <root> shad0w1e, hdparm -i
[08:35] <rabies> mik__: testing it wont tell you a thing
[08:36] <HappyFool> zero___: well... if there's only ubuntu, i wouldn't have thought much could go wrong.
[08:36] <rabies> mik__: cept maybe show you some pretty numbers :)
[08:36] <mik__> well.. hmm you right
[08:36] <husher> zero___: i would, and make sure you make the /boot partition about 100M and starts at the front of the drive
[08:36] <rabies> its hdaparm -iI
[08:36] <HappyFool> zero___: how big is your hard drive?
[08:36] <mik__> rabies: thats correct :)
[08:36] <zero___> 80 GB
[08:36] <rabies> mik__: what do i win?!?! =D
[08:36] <shad0w1e> it tells me about all the modes my drive can run on
[08:36] <mik__> hmm.. well.. no way :P
[08:36] <shad0w1e> but i dont know which one its running
[08:36] <rabies> zero___: probably a lousy bios...or defective drive
[08:37] <rabies> shad0w1e: should be a star next to the run its using
[08:37] <shad0w1e> damn
[08:37] <shad0w1e> then its fine
[08:37] <toasta> bios update may help
[08:37] <shad0w1e> it says udma2
[08:37] <rabies> shad0w1e: wow, that slow
[08:37] <zero___> No, the drive's fairly new... probably bios the system is an older gateway
[08:37] <steven_> what is cedaga?
[08:37] <rabies> shad0w1e: thats REALLY slow
[08:37] <toasta> i doubt it though, didnt help me any
[08:37] <shad0w1e> rabies, its an old machine
[08:37] <phaedrus_> ne1 know of an ftp server with good gui?
[08:37] <rabies> steven_: read the website
[08:37] <HappyFool> zero___: maybe try what rabies suggested
[08:37] <mpmc> OMG.. I cannot believe this..
[08:37] <steven_> i did read it
[08:37] <steven_> but should i install it
[08:37] <shad0w1e> 8GB drive... can I expect better?
[08:37] <rabies> zero___: use a PCI controller card
[08:37] <Kyral> steven_, it works, hands down
[08:37] <rabies> shad0w1e: yeesh
[08:38] <zero___> Okay
[08:38] <steven_> can i get it through synaptic?
[08:38] <shad0w1e> rabies, can I expect better out of this drive?
[08:38] <rabies> zero___: the promise ones are well supported
[08:38] <rabies> shad0w1e: unfortuately no
[08:38] <optendo> Is there a package for gcc to be installed??
[08:38] <mpmc> This OS is much better than Fedora Core 4.
[08:38] <Kyral> steven_, no, you need to pay for it, but worthit
[08:38] <rabies> optendo: gcc
[08:38] <shad0w1e> rabies, I have a 4GB drive in a P2 266 and it plays unreal tournament a LOT better
[08:38] <shad0w1e> its on windows, though
[08:38] <steven_> ew..
[08:38] <husher> rabies: promise cards gave me nothing but trouble
[08:38] <steven_> i haveto pay for it
[08:38] <shad0w1e> this is a pIII 500
[08:38] <rabies> shad0w1e: better than your 486? ;)
[08:38] <rabies> husher: i've never had an aissue
[08:38] <Kyral> steven_, only $15
[08:39] <shad0w1e> this is a PIII 500, 8GB HD
[08:39] <optendo> I didn't see the gcc package in the add/remove programs...
[08:39] <rabies> husher: and i have 3
[08:39] <steven_> whats my other option
[08:39] <mpmc> but.. I seem to get popping sounds when playing MP3 files. like as if I was playing on an LP..
[08:39] <steven_> if i dont use cedaga
[08:39] <rabies> steven_: use wine
[08:39] <Kyral> to play XP Games?
[08:39] <rabies> optendo: apt-cache search gcc
[08:39] <husher> rabies: huh.  I had 2 go out on me within a month of each other
[08:39] <Kyral> Wine != Installshield
[08:39] <HappyFool> optendo: try 'sudo aptitude install build-essential' on the command line
[08:39] <derek> can anyone help me out with a sound problem here??
[08:39] <rabies> husher: i used mine for 3 years, no issues
[08:39] <steven_> i downloaded wine but its running a windows 95 so it seems
[08:40] <optendo> ok thanks trying now
[08:40] <rabies> husher: and all the drivers are GPLed from the company
[08:40] <husher> rabies: guess I'm just unlucky :(
[08:40] <rabies> husher: probably
[08:40] <HaroldJohnson> Hello, kiddies.  Coming up: more installing madness!
[08:40] <rabies> derek: #alsa
[08:40] <Go_pLastic> hey can anyone point me in the direction on what i need to have java?
[08:40] <shad0w1e> husher, on my athlonXP 1800+ I noticed a huge performance increase when going from ubuntu to MEPIS
[08:40] <husher> rabies: i do like the GPL'd drivers, though
[08:40] <root> I was informed last night that my atheros wireless card would work alright, however, I tried the livecd, and while it seemed to know about my wifi atheros card, It couldn't connect, no matter how many times I tried to run ifconfig or /etc/init.d/network restart
[08:40] <rabies> husher: ya, the fact that you dont have to do a chroot install is nice :)
[08:40] <derek> no matter what i try i cannot get my sound to work! if i go into volume monitor it says it cannot connect tot the sound daemon!!!
[08:40] <HaroldJohnson> root: Which Atheros card are you using?
[08:41] <toasta> i agree husher on the promise cards
[08:41] <rabies> derek: alsamixer
[08:41] <HaroldJohnson> root: I
[08:41] <shad0w1e> lol I'm using a microsoft PCI card on my linux box
[08:41] <shad0w1e> with ndis
[08:41] <rabies> toasta: well break out the beer and kareoke machine! =D
[08:41] <rabies> shad0w1e: heh, nice
[08:41] <HaroldJohnson> root: I'm using the D-Link DWL-G630
[08:41] <{Seb}> how do i get a second button immitation on my ibook?
[08:41] <shad0w1e> putting microsoft products to good use on non-microsoft operating systems
[08:41] <toasta> way ahead of ya rabies
[08:41] <Victus> has anyone successfuly been able to stream quicktime movies?
[08:41] <HaroldJohnson> Anyone: Now that I'm installed, how do I test my D-Link wireless card/
[08:42] <root> HaroldJohnson, Atheros AR5005GS, I believe
[08:42] <shad0w1e> HaroldJohnson, iwconfig
[08:42] <derek> even when i try alsamixer it does nothing
[08:42] <HappyFool> Go_pLastic: have you looked on the wiki?
[08:42] <HaroldJohnson> root: Have you got it to work in Ubuntu?
[08:42] <rabies> derek: you do that again and ill asked to get you klined
[08:42] <husher> HaroldJohnson: try running iwconfig
[08:42] <HaroldJohnson> shodWw1e and husher: Thank you.  What should I be looking for in the printout?
[08:42] <root> HaroldJohnson, only tried the livecd so far..  but it should work, if I knew jack shit about wireless networking in Linux >,.,<
[08:42] <rabies> root: achem...GET OFF THE ROOT ACCOUNT AND COME BACK AS A USER! ;)
[08:43] <HappyFool> Go_pLastic: look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java   -- i used method 3
[08:43] <sorush20> hy guys..
[08:43] <husher> HaroldJohnson: some line about the essid
[08:43] <rabies> root: its like waving a read flag asking to be cracked
[08:43] <shad0w1e> HaroldJohnson, sudo iwlist scan
[08:43] <rabies> s/read/red/
[08:43] <shad0w1e> then sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid ROUTERNAME
[08:43] <HaroldJohnson> HappyFool: Are you a Squarepusher fan?
[08:43] <derek> is there any other way to open alsamixer?? alsamixer command doesnt work
[08:43] <HappyFool> HaroldJohnson: um. say what?
[08:43] <stisev> can anyone tell me how to edit a file xorf.conf that is (apparently) used by the system?
[08:43] <HaroldJohnson> shad0w1fe: Thank you
[08:43] <HaroldJohnson> HappyFool: Sorry, nevermind.
[08:44] <rabies> stisev: xorg.conf
[08:44] <siorfin> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf in terminal
[08:44] <toasta> how do you keep cp from omitting directories
[08:44] <stisev> siorfin: it wont let me edit it like that
[08:44] <root> rabies, I'm not on the root account :)
[08:44] <stisev> siorfin: it's read only :(
[08:44] <root> rabies, /ctcp version :)
[08:44] <siorfin> or sudo pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:44] <siorfin> sudo removes read only
[08:44] <siorfin> use sudo
[08:44] <stisev> I did
[08:44] <stisev> stand by
[08:44] <rabies> root: yes you are :)
[08:44] <husher> HaroldJohnson: the wireless gui in Ubuntu is actually pretty good
[08:44] <HappyFool> stisev: -r for directories
[08:45] <HappyFool> stisev: read 'man cp' or 'cp --help'
[08:45] <rabies> lolz
[08:45] <HaroldJohnson> husher: Wireless GUI?  In Gnome?
[08:45] <husher> HaroldJohnson: you really shouldn't have to use any command line utils
[08:45] <sorush20> I have a question... I'm running Windows now.. but when I tried to run Ubuntu on the same system.. after installation everything was just much slower.. like browsing the hda drive the mouse was jummpy.. can anyone help
[08:45] <toasta> i should have known
[08:45] <Go_pLastic> HappyFool, thanks
[08:45] <derek> after installing ubuntu lastnight, everything works great except for the fact that i have no sound. i've tried the solution on ubuntus website but still no luck. anyone have any ideas
[08:45] <rabies> HaroldJohnson: it floats above the monitor
[08:45] <husher> HaroldJohnson: yes
[08:45] <hellraiser_rob> hi guys. how is everyone!
[08:45] <HaroldJohnson> husher: I need to use command-line utils right now
[08:45] <siorfin> stisev, well i dunno why it didnt work unless you messed with something, in default hoary install xorg.conf is write for root, change permissions :)
[08:46] <husher> HaroldJohnson: System -> admin  -> Networking
[08:46] <rabies> hellraiser_rob: i feel like a human
[08:46] <hellraiser_rob> rabies: thats a good sign
[08:46] <rabies> root: have a good trip?
[08:46] <HaroldJohnson> husher: I'm on a *very* old Mac, and I have got a good GUI going yet.  Gnome's *much* to slow.
[08:46] <mpmc> OMG I love this Operating System :D
[08:46] <derek>  after installing ubuntu lastnight, everything works great except for the fact that i have no sound. i've tried the solution on ubuntus website but still no luck. anyone have any ideas
[08:46] <luzbelito> anyone knows how to specify in command line launch an application to workspace n 3 by default ????
[08:46] <HaroldJohnson> husher: Oops, I meant I *have not* got a GUI yet.
[08:46] <root________> hehe, much better
[08:47] <husher> HaroldJohnson: what's the model?  I'm thinking of loading linux on my gf's PowerMac 5400 / 200
[08:47] <rabies> derek: log off, go home, scream into a pillow, and come back when you feel better
[08:47] <hellraiser_rob> anybody know how to make beagle search all files instead of just chat logs?
[08:47] <sorush20> derek, do you have onborad sound of sound card..
[08:47] <derek> sorush20: no its a Soundblaster Live!!
[08:47] <HaroldJohnson> husher: That's nearly equivalent.  I'm on a 233MHz PowerBook G3 (WallStreet II).
[08:47] <mpmc> well.. It detected my realtek one right away.
[08:47] <root________> derek, turn up your volume
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> derek,  useing the digital out?
[08:47] <HaroldJohnson> husher: It's referred to as an Old World Mac in the Ubuntu wiki.
[08:47] <sorush20> derek well you need to download the driver... then run the ndiswrapper command..
[08:48] <husher> HaroldJohnson: dag.  I was really hoping to turn that thing into a reasonable machine.
[08:48] <derek> Dr_willis: i am not sure
[08:48] <HaroldJohnson> husher: You may be able to!
[08:48] <luzbelito> anyone knows how to specify in command line launch an application to workspace n 3 by default ????
[08:48] <hellraiser_rob> beagle help anyone?
[08:48] <rabies> sorush20: that "advice" causes me pain, mainly cause the emu10k1 driver is GPLed and native to linux...
[08:48] <mpmc> anyone know a good MSN only client?
[08:48] <jasoncohen> does the human gdm theme not support XDMCP login?
[08:48] <husher> hellraiser_rob: yea, wait untill they get it stable :)
[08:48] <rabies> mpmc: amsn
[08:48] <stisev> [11:44]  <siorfin> or sudo pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:48] <rabies> mpmc: or gaim
[08:48] <HaroldJohnson> husher: Okay, I'm going to try to set up my wireless and GUI now.  Until next time!
[08:49] <stisev> thanks that worked, I think
[08:49] <hellraiser_rob> husher: your rubbish!
[08:49] <mpmc> I hate gaim
[08:49] <stisev> me too
[08:49] <stisev> Trillian baby!
[08:49] <rabies> mpmc: kopete
[08:49] <jasoncohen> i enabled xdmcp in login screen setup but it's not showing an option in gdm. when i changed themes it workee
[08:49] <sorush20> rabies: maybe you could help derek
[08:49] <rabies> stisev: go away =P
[08:49] <jasoncohen> *worked
[08:49] <stisev> ?
[08:49] <mpmc> not keen on that ether..
[08:49] <derek> sorush20: what does the ndiswrapper command do
[08:49] <mpmc> amsn is good :)
[08:49] <hellraiser_rob> beagle help....anyone.....ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[08:49] <rabies> derek: emulates a windows driver interface
[08:49] <husher> hellraiser_rob: i've given up on it.  great concept, but it's just too darn much work.
[08:49] <{Seb}> i can help with beagle
[08:49] <{Seb}> i've got it running with ease
[08:49] <husher> hellraiser_rob: what's your problem?
[08:50] <rabies> sorush20: probably not...
[08:50] <{Seb}> what is the problem?
[08:50] <derek> rabies: alright so what drivers do i need
[08:50] <rabies> derek: should already be installed
[08:50] <derek> rabies: SB Live!
[08:50] <HaroldJohnson> Anyone: I've just installed xfce4.  Anyone know how to get it started?
[08:50] <hellraiser_rob> husher: its really peeing me off, i mean it seaches chat logs fine, but nothing else, then when i install the sql-lite dev package everything stops working
[08:50] <derek> rabies: so just use that command?
[08:50] <{Seb}> hellraiser_rob: what is the problem?
[08:50] <{Seb}> hellraiser_rob: breezy or hoary?
[08:50] <stisev> omfg
[08:50] <hellraiser_rob> hoary
[08:50] <{Seb}> with backported stuff?
[08:51] <hellraiser_rob> yeah
[08:51] <stisev> why is it EVERYTHING in linux is 100x more complicated and stubborn than it should be?
[08:51] <holycow> stisev, compared to what?
[08:51] <hellraiser_rob> stisev: worth it to be m$ free
[08:51] <stisev> general
[08:51] <husher> stisev: because that's what makes it fun ;)
[08:51] <stisev> I'm trying to get VMware (linux version) to run in a display other than the virtual 640x480
[08:51] <HappyFool> derek: hve you looked here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsSoundCards
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> for all my soundblaster live/auduigy/extigy cards - i just  have to twiddle with the volume mixer. i also tend to install the OTHER mixers that are out there and use them
[08:51] <stisev> i've been working for 3 days on this
[08:51] <stisev> STILL can't get it
[08:51] <stisev> :(
[08:51] <root________> okay, I want to run the install process largely over wireless, but the livecd had no clue how to cinfigure my wireless atheros (though the kernel detected it okay) what can I do to perform the install overwireless, and what's more, how can I get wireless working on the livecd ?
[08:51] <rabies> derek: i dont know enough about ubunutu to tell you
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> stisev,  considering the amount of time ive worked on windows problems in the past. Linux is trivial. :P
[08:52] <supernix> Hi
[08:52] <hellraiser_rob> {Seb} any ideas?
[08:52] <derek> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[08:52] <Dr_Willis> derek,  that sounds like either the modules are not loaded. or missconfgured
[08:52] <supernix> I was curious I never saw any information about setting up a root password during the install
[08:52] <{Seb}> hellraiser_rob: the mono packages on hoary have many problems
[08:52] <HappyFool> supernix: root account is disabled by default. see wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for more.
[08:52] <Dr_Willis> supernix,  the FAQ mentions this. :P the first USER password is the root users password.. an dyou can NOT login directly as root.
[08:53] <rabies> time to play gunbound!
[08:53] <{Seb}> hellraiser_rob: i'd recommend you upgrade to breezy or install Mono from source
[08:53] <husher> hellraiser_rog: the only way I ever got it to work was from CVS
[08:53] <hellraiser_rob> what are the risks upgrading to breezy?
[08:53] <stisev> how do I "access" vmware tools in kubuntu
[08:53] <highvoltage> {Seb}: upgrade to breezy? i thought it was badly broken!
[08:53] <husher> hellraiser_rob: crashing your entire system
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> stisev,  you installed linux under vmware in windows?
[08:53] <supernix> Thanks HappyFool  and Dr_Willis  for your reply I do appreciate your responses and helpfulness
[08:54] <HappyFool> oops. just plugged a usb dongle into my ethernet port
[08:54] <{Seb}> highvoltage: i find it is running fine on three machines (one of those is PowerPC)
[08:54] <stisev> Dr_Willis yes
[08:54] <stisev> Dr_Willis my main system is win
[08:54] <{Seb}> highvoltage: you have to be careful though
[08:54] <HappyFool> supernix: no problem ;)
[08:54] <stisev> Dr_Willis linux inside vmware
[08:54] <hellraiser_rob> well that doesn't sound like a worthwhile risk just for beagle
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> stisev,  install the vmware tools then. and use the shell/docs :P  I gave up on vmware ages ago.
[08:54] <highvoltage> {Seb}: ok. kewl. perhaps I should do a test install. where do I get the pre-release iso's?
[08:54] <stisev> Dr_Willis: ?? I installed vmware tools already
[08:55] <hellraiser_rob> when is breezy due for release?
[08:55] <{Seb}> hellraiser_rob: october
[08:55] <stisev> Dr_Willis: I'm trying to get it to run a res other than 640x480
[08:55] <Spec> What does vmware tools do?
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> stisev,  then use the shell and use them. dont expect an icon to be there for them.
[08:55] <stisev> Dr_Willis: what the hell are you talking about?
[08:55] <highvoltage> hellraiser_rob: 2005-10 (hence 5.10 version number)
[08:55] <{Seb}> hellraiser_rob: the feature freeze is August 11th though
[08:55] <husher> hellraiser_rob: read this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35094
[08:55] <therocker> vmware??  hmmm....
[08:55] <stisev> Dr_Willis: Did you even read my questions?
[08:55] <hellraiser_rob> i can wait til octovber for beagle!!!!!!!!!!
[08:55] <stisev> Dr_Willis: I *HAVE* linux installed. everything is fine, but I can't get vmware tools to run vmware in any res other than 640x480
[08:56] <{Seb}> hellraiser_rob: by late august, it will be very usable
[08:56] <stisev> Dr_Willis: I've read the manuals/instructions, but I can't seem to figure out what the devil is up :(
[08:56] <{Seb}> hoary was released in april and i used it from february
[08:56] <toasta> can a compressed image be made from prompt
[08:56] <{Seb}> highvoltage: ftp://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/releases/breezy/colony-2/breezy-install-i386.iso
[08:56] <hellraiser_rob> ok cool, i'm travelling for a month in a few weeks so will see what the situation is when i get back :;)
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> stisev,  may wan tto check the ubuntu wiki's - thats proberly the best place to  find others doing the same thing.
[08:56] <toasta> of a drive of course
[08:56] <supernix> http://www.wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:57] <HappyFool> toasta: you could probably pipe dd through gzip, if that's what you mean
[08:57] <zero___> Is it possible to set up a seperate boot partition?
[08:57] <husher> hellraiser_rob: if you really need bleeding edge, run gentoo *ducks*
[08:57] <therocker> helloooo freaks! can anybody help me out here??
[08:57] <hellraiser_rob> no i'm ubuntu forever
[08:57] <husher> zero___: possible and reccommended
[08:57] <toasta> that would be a little large wouldnt it?
[08:57] <therocker> :( wht the heck
[08:57] <zero___> Okay, what percentage of space do I want to put on that?
[08:57] <toasta> if you have lots of data that is
[08:57] <HappyFool> toasta: it's a disk image. what were you expecting ? ;)
[08:58] <toasta> lol
[08:58] <husher> zero___: i ususally use about 100M
[08:58] <zero___> Okay
[08:58] <toasta> okay then can you split the files it creates through gzip
[08:58] <husher> zero___: it only needs to hold your kernel and a few config files
[08:58] <zero___> Okay
[08:58] <zero___> Primary or logical?
[08:58] <supernix> Ok I am curious I am looking at the packages but there is no description as to what they are I am using Kynaptic
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> when in doubt use Primaries :P
[08:59] <husher> zero___: primary
[08:59] <therocker> stop spamming ppl, u all look GEEKS!
[08:59] <zero___> Okay
[08:59] <zero___> Thank you
[08:59] <HappyFool> toasta: i have never made a disk image. However, you can either read ony specific parts of the source with dd, or you can use 'split' when done (that will be disk heavy, though)
[08:59] <abbe80> which program burn .nrg files?
[08:59] <husher> zero___: avoid locgical in all situations if you can
[08:59] <zero___> Should I use it on the Swap then?
[08:59] <mpmc> how would I go about installing amsn?
[09:00] <therocker> use the game messenger
[09:00] <{Seb}> Gaim you mean?
[09:00] <therocker> gaim
[09:00] <HappyFool> mpmc: use synaptic
[09:00] <therocker> yup
[09:00] <mpmc> I don't like that
[09:00] <HappyFool> mpmc: amsn is in universe
[09:00] <HappyFool> !sources
[09:00] <ubotu> sources is probably http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[09:00] <therocker> neither do i, but it actually WORKS
[09:00] <husher> zero___: i'd do this: 100M boot, 1G swap, everything else /
[09:00] <mpmc> I tried search but nothin was found.
[09:00] <HappyFool> mpmc: that link (ubotu's) has a complete /etc/apt/sources.list -- amsn is in universe
[09:01] <HappyFool> mpmc: or you can enable universe via synaptic (or maybe kynaptic -- i don't know kynaptic)
[09:01] <therocker> enable universe?
[09:01] <supernix> I must say I think that Konversation is much better than Xchat
[09:01] <therocker> i mean
[09:02] <therocker> lol
[09:02] <therocker> what?
[09:02] <stinkzor> I have 3 scsi drives. I partitioned them with the following configuration: 1 HD with *Reiserfs attached to / and *SWAP (made bootable and primary) | 2 HD's (logical physical volumes) combined to one lvm Reiserfs partition.  When Ubuntu restarts the first time to complete the installation , I get an "Missing operation system" , Bios Boot parameters are all set proberly. Does anybody know what the problem could be?
[09:02] <therocker> never used Konversation
[09:02] <therocker> hows that?
[09:02] <supernix> Just seems to be layed out better
[09:03] <therocker> ahh ok
[09:03] <supernix> None of them will let you copy content from the screen though
[09:03] <therocker> seems good to me
[09:03] <nalioth> supernix: you can copy/paste in xchat
[09:03] <blah> blah
[09:03] <supernix> Hmmm how do I do that ?
[09:04] <toasta> HappyFool: the man pages for dd are kinda weak, do you know where i can find more info on it for going drive to drive?
[09:04] <husher> stinkzor: make sure only your / or /boot partitions are set to bootable, and not the swap
[09:04] <therocker> nix u from where?
[09:04] <HappyFool> toasta: drive to drive? what do you mean?
[09:04] <husher> toasta: just copying one drive to another?
[09:04] <supernix> South Carolina
[09:04] <therocker> ok
[09:04] <stinkzor> husher, i'll check thx
[09:04] <jeff__> re
[09:04] <mpmc> I'm gonna scream.... can someone please tell me how I install amsn :).. Please
[09:04] <toasta> i need unallocated space as well
[09:05] <husher> stinkzor: np
[09:05] <jasoncohen> anyone know why the human theme for gdm doesn't support XDCMP login?
[09:05] <blah> whats amsn
[09:05] <husher> mpmc: sudo apt-get install amsn
[09:05] <tiglionabbit> !apt
[09:05] <ubotu> from memory, apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[09:05] <mpmc> thanks you very much :)
[09:05] <blah> is that ms messenger?
[09:05] <therocker> no
[09:05] <therocker> its MSN
[09:06] <therocker> MSN messenger
[09:06] <blah> yuck
[09:06] <blah> stay away from the evil of m$
[09:06] <therocker> yeah just as ur nick
[09:06] <therocker> blah
[09:06] <tiglionabbit> blah: msn instant messenger is MicroSoft Network messenger.  It has some neat handling for undelivered messages
[09:06] <blah> blah
[09:06] <tiglionabbit> where aim would just throw them away and not tell you anything
[09:06] <husher> toasta: it's not free, and has to run on windows, but partitionmagic is a really great product
[09:06] <blah> so does yahoo
[09:06] <mpmc> how do I install all packages needed for it
[09:07] <therocker> whats partitionmagic?
[09:07] <blah> mpmc apt should install all needed packages
[09:07] <tiglionabbit> mpmc: when you select something on apt, it should grab the packages it requires itself
[09:07] <husher> therocker: it's a disk partitioning and resizing and cloning program
[09:07] <HappyFool> toasta: to copy an entire drive, copy /dev/hda -- that will include the mbr and all, may not be what you want
[09:07] <tiglionabbit> hey what?  Why use partition magic when you could use gparted?
[09:08] <blah> rocker must be crockerd
[09:08] <therocker> i mean i have kept my hdd dual booted, can anyone help me how to access my windows data via linux?
[09:08] <mpmc> haha.. no wonder.. I already had it installed..
[09:08] <tiglionabbit> therocker: I'll help
[09:08] <husher> tiglionabbit: i knew that was coming eventually :)
[09:08] <therocker> thanks
[09:08] <toasta> thanks but i got alot of imaging products for windows and they all suck
[09:08] <tiglionabbit> therocker: okay, first list your devices by saying "sudo fdisk -l"
[09:08] <husher> therocker: what's your windows filesystem? fat or ntfs?
[09:08] <therocker> ok
[09:08] <toasta> noones written a good imaging software for bad sectors and such
[09:08] <mpmc> to access windows http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#automountntfs
[09:08] <therocker> ntfs
[09:08] <tiglionabbit> find the one you want to mount, and pay attention to the line that starts with /dev/hd
[09:09] <toasta> do you mean it gets every sectors
[09:09] <therocker> i tried monting but it wont work,
[09:09] <nalioths_dog> therocker: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[09:09] <HappyFool> toasta: dd is pretty primitive. it's just a data shunter, not really a 'disk imager'
[09:09] <tiglionabbit> therocker: it didn't?  What did mount say to you?
[09:09] <husher> tiglionabbit: does gparted work yet?  last time i tried it it couldn't do much
[09:09] <toasta> ahhhh
[09:09] <nalioths_dog> mpmc: Please do not advise ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead.  Item 3 here explains why https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[09:09] <Victus> is anyone able to get mplayer working correctly?
[09:09] <therocker> it made a folder named windows1 and windows 2 for me
[09:09] <stinkzor> husher, swap wasn't set as bootable, do you have another suggestion ?
[09:09] <therocker> and its EMPTY
[09:09] <toasta> so theres nothing in linux really for doing this?
[09:09] <tiglionabbit> husher: well you can't do anything to a partition while it's mounted.  Unmount them first
[09:09] <Kyral> we ARE geeks...
[09:10] <blah> i use xine
[09:10] <blah> ui
[09:10] <toasta> geek over here!
[09:10] <tiglionabbit> toasta: for doing what now?
[09:10] <freddy> hello!!
[09:10] <Razor-X> wohoo!
[09:10] <HappyFool> toasta: have you looked at gparted? I don't know it myself.
[09:10] <husher> tiglionabbit: no, i mean it couldn't resize a ntfs partition, or ext3 for that matter
[09:10] <Razor-X> I just scrolled 8000 lines
[09:10] <toasta> making full images
[09:10] <Razor-X> that's how many lines accumulate in about 11 hours, it seems ;)
[09:10] <Joey_C> Hi all i need some serious help can anyone help me?????
[09:10] <husher> stinkzor: what's your disk setup again?
[09:10] <toasta> no i havent HappyFool, never heard of it
[09:10] <Razor-X> psssshhh, we need to do better 1000 lines per-hour ;)
[09:10] <tiglionabbit> husher: really?  I could resize an ntfs partition using the version of parted on the CD.  In fact, qtparted let me resize it too
[09:10] <freddy> i have a question..does xchat comes with default sounds? or not?
[09:10] <stinkzor> I have 3 scsi drives. I partitioned them with the following configuration: 1 HD with *Reiserfs attached to / and *SWAP (made bootable and primary) | 2 HD's (logical physical volumes) combined to one lvm Reiserfs partition.  When Ubuntu restarts the first time to complete the installation , I get an "Missing operation system" , Bios Boot parameters are all set proberly. Does anybody know what the problem could be?
[09:10] <stinkzor> nst
[09:10] <blah> in fact i think ill uninstall mplayer
[09:10] <stinkzor> just copied soz :)
[09:11] <HappyFool> toasta: 'sudo aptitude install gparted'
[09:11] <Victus> will xine play quicktime?
[09:11] <freddy> i have a question..does xchat comes with default sounds? or not?
[09:11] <Razor-X> is there a reason you have such a convoluted partitioning scheme, Stinkzor?
[09:11] <mvilla0993> hey
[09:11] <therocker> i know its gonna be difficult since my windows is in ntfs format
[09:11] <ompaul> Joey_C, they might be able to if you actually asked the question so that they could figure what it is you could do next to assist yourself
[09:11] <therocker> but is it possible?
[09:11] <nalioth> Victus: with libquicktime installed, yes
[09:11] <steven_> hELLO
[09:11] <toasta> thanks HappyFool ill take a look
[09:11] <husher> stinkzor: i always make a small /boot partition and set it to ext3, for compatibility
[09:12] <nalioths_dog> therocker: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[09:12] <therocker> ok
[09:12] <husher> therocker: it should be easy, i do it all the time
[09:12] <therocker> thats nice
[09:12] <therocker> thanks a lot
[09:12] <therocker> i will do it right away
[09:12] <husher> therocker: unless it's compressed, or encrypted or something
[09:12] <therocker> no it isnt
[09:12] <steven_> Does any one know a good linux chat room?
[09:12] <Victus> ok do I simply type apt-get install xine-ui
[09:12] <steven_> with support
[09:12] <toasta> thanks all
[09:12] <Joey_C> Okie dokies, hope someone can help..... i just installed smart launcher on my 3650, how do i get more skins??? i mean i have some but im using a MMC card reader and i dont know how to get them working.. can someone help?
[09:12] <freddy> hrmm anyone?
[09:12] <toasta> bbl
[09:12] <Razor-X> OMG, why have ext3???????!!!!! my siystem is JFS, XFS, and ReiserFS only!!!!!!!1!!!!11!!!!
[09:12] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:13] <husher> therocker: do you know what partition it is?
[09:13] <blah> doesnt look like it freddy
[09:13] <steven_> Does any one know a good linux chat room?
[09:13] <stinkzor> husher: and the / can be attached to a reiserfs partition ?
[09:13] <Razor-X> a word of advice -- the more crazy you partition your drives, the harder it is to mak an OS use it
[09:13] <Razor-X> steven_: this one
[09:13] <nalioth> deaths-hell you are being paged
[09:13] <Razor-X> *make
[09:13] <steven_> no one of my co workers wants a chatroom for just linux.. not only ubuntu
[09:13] <husher> stinkzor: what Razor-X said
[09:13] <steven_> but linux in general
[09:13] <Razor-X> nalioth: fine fine, and I read above aout your 15 remark ;)
[09:13] <linukso> Hi! I want to connect a Nokia 6610i to my dell inspiron 8100 using irda. Has anyone done this?
[09:13] <supernix> Ok I see now Xchat copies whatever you highlight then you paste with middle mouse button
[09:13] <husher> stinkzor: it can, but i personally wouldn't
[09:14] <blah> theres all kinds of chatrooms for linux in freenode already
[09:14] <HappyFool> steven_: #linux, at a guess
[09:14] <ompaul> Joey_C, your on your own there
[09:14] <tiglionabbit> steven_: #linux, #linuxhelp, #linux-pub
[09:14] <steven_> i went to that it wasnt very talkative
[09:14] <tiglionabbit> steven_: stimulate some activity then
[09:14] <Joey_C> yer i noticed, thanks anyway mate
[09:14] <blah> #debian is very talkative
[09:14] <husher> stinkzor: Razor-X is right.  the crazier you get with your partitions and filesystems, the harder you make things on yourself
[09:14] <ompaul> steven_, #linuxhelp
[09:14] <Victus> is there a xine plugin for mozilla?
[09:14] <HappyFool> stefan_dk: use the 'list' function in your irc client. you are sure to find something
[09:15] <tiglionabbit> Victus: yes I believe so.  Someone talks about it on the forums
[09:15] <therocker> husher: its ntfs format
[09:15] <Razor-X> a general partition scheme on a double-booting box with Windows XP would be:
[09:15] <stinkzor> husher: So just try and ext3 for /, and the other 2 drives for lvm
[09:15] <steven_> ok
[09:15] <Razor-X> NTFS - Windows XP Partition
[09:15] <therocker> yup, thats mine
[09:15] <zero___> Windows XP sucks -_-
[09:15] <Razor-X> ext3 partition for / (or distributed ext3 partitions)
[09:15] <tiglionabbit> Razor-X: I gots my windows on fat32 so I can see it
[09:15] <husher> stinkzor: i'd make a 100M ext3 /boot, and the rest / ext3
[09:15] <blah> xp sucks, hmmmm
[09:15] <Razor-X> a small ReiserFS partition for MP3s and stuff which you want quick write times
[09:16] <husher> therocker: do you know the partition number?
[09:16] <therocker> hmmm
[09:16] <Razor-X> and a medium-sized FAT32 partition as an intermediary
[09:16] <therocker> hda3 and hda5
[09:16] <blah> i like xp, it does everything well, just has some security issues, because its so popular
[09:16] <therocker> the two drives of mine in windows
[09:16] <Razor-X> note that none of my partitions span multiple drives, or drives-and haves, and such
[09:16] <stinkzor> husher: so I better drop the lvm thingy :p
[09:16] <Razor-X> blah: it does everything.... "well"?
[09:16] <nalioth> Razor-X: don't forget hfs+ for macintosh compatibility
[09:16] <husher> therocker: where do you want to mount the drives?
[09:16] <blah> linux, is something to play around with for me
[09:16] <Razor-X> stinkzor: no, just go to #lvm and have fun there ;)
[09:16] <Razor-X> nalioth: hmmm... I should add that....
[09:16] <therocker> i just want  to access my windows STUFF via linux
[09:17] <blah> its getting close to xp, but not quite there yet
[09:17] <husher> stinkzor: not nessicarrily, but i'd just get the system up and running on one drive first
[09:17] <Echelon-H> How can I add all the files in a dir to a zip?
[09:17] <stinkzor> husher: k thx will try that
[09:17] <nalioth> therocker: that file the dog sent you should do the trick
[09:17] <therocker> ok
[09:17] <therocker> he sent me a file?
[09:17] <husher> therocker: so, you want it mounted on /mnt/windows ?
[09:17] <therocker> hehe
[09:17] <tiglionabbit> therocker: sorry, I lost track of you a little bit.  So anyway, the next step I was going to say was create a folder where you want to mount it, and uh, mount it.  What does mount tell you?
[09:17] <therocker> yup
[09:17] <HappyFool> Echelon-H: 'zip -r file.zip directory/' ?
[09:17] <therocker> yeah its created
[09:18] <husher> therocker: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda3 /mnt/windows
[09:18] <Echelon-H> HappyFool, thanks
[09:18] <therocker> ok
[09:18] <nalioths_dog> therocker: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[09:19] <sunrex> i wonder if anyone remembers me..
[09:19] <therocker> lol
[09:19] <therocker> sure they do
[09:19] <tiglionabbit> not I
[09:19] <mpmc> Is Ubuntu secure on default?
[09:19] <HaroldJohnson> Anyone: Know the difference between wdm and gdm?
[09:20] <tiglionabbit> HaroldJohnson: look?
[09:20] <husher> sunrex: i don't, but i'm sure you're a nice person :)
[09:20] <HappyFool> mpmc: pretty much. no services listening on non-loopback interfaces by default
[09:20] <nalioth> mpmc: yes, it is. there are no daemons listening to external ports by default
[09:20] <sunrex> nothing is secure, NOTHING.
[09:20] <sunrex> even thou i like Ubuntu lol
[09:20] <HaroldJohnson> tilgionabbit: I'm not going to use gnome, so does it matter which display manager I use (wdm or gdm)?
[09:20] <mpmc> I mean in general
[09:20] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: not kdm?
[09:20] <mpmc> like... from hackers.. etc..
[09:20] <tiglionabbit> HaroldJohnson: probably not
[09:21] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Hello, dude!
[09:21] <nalioth> mpmc: read what was written to you
[09:21] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Or lady
[09:21] <mpmc> yes.. ok
[09:21] <husher> HaroldJohnson: you could probably use xdm in that case
[09:21] <sunrex> *sigh* just came back after a loonnngg time on windows...windows kept lagging...i got sick of it
[09:21] <nalioth> mpmc: if nobody is listening at the door, nobody will hear when the door is knocked upon
[09:21] <mpmc> lol.. thats cool
[09:21] <sunrex> trying to install the updates....if i dont get any sound after this ill go kill somone..
[09:22] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I didn't like gnome on this old Mac, so I apt-get install fluxbox and then apt-get install wdm
[09:22] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: How are you today?
[09:22] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: sounds good
[09:22] <mpmc> how do I change my password
[09:22] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: i'm fine, and you?
[09:22] <kbrooks> brb
[09:22] <husher> mpmc: 'passwd'
[09:22] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Good.  Which display manager do you use?
[09:22] <kbrooks> mpmc, easy. passwd
[09:22] <kbrooks> brb
[09:23] <eruin> anyone here running gaim2 ?
[09:23] <sunrex> what PHP do i need for this...
[09:23] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: the default gdm runs underneath my gnome
[09:23] <sunrex> cant figure that out lol
[09:23] <husher> HaroldJohnson: fluxbox is pretty sweet
[09:23] <husher> eruin: yes
[09:23] <tiglionabbit> mpmc: for a gui way, system -> admin -> users and groups, select your name and hit properties
[09:23] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I finally got my first view of gnome yesterday.
[09:23] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: and already tired of it? lol
[09:23] <eruin> husher, care to feed me with some screenies/whatsnew? :)
[09:23] <mpmc> I'm using KDE :)
[09:23] <HaroldJohnson> husher: What's best to use with fluxbox (in terms of display managers)?
[09:24] <mpmc> don't you just love 3mb connections?
[09:24] <tiglionabbit> mpmc: isn't users and groups still listed in your menus?
[09:24] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: It was dog slow on this old Mac.
[09:24] <husher> eruin: um, it seems better?
[09:24] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: thought flux was a display mangler?
[09:24] <mpmc> it is somewhere
[09:24] <eruin> husher, anything radical in the gui department?
[09:24] <din> nalioth, it is
[09:24] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Is it?  Sheesh, I've got alot to learn.
[09:24] <sunrex> o             k             how do i get sound...or better yet music
[09:24] <din> lol
[09:24] <eruin> husher, better msn support?
[09:24] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: A mangler?
[09:24] <din> xfce is my favorite
[09:24] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: LOL
[09:24] <din> i've tried just about every dm there is
[09:24] <husher> eruin: oops. no, i'm on 1.  I guess i left 2 behind me in gentoo; i just switched
[09:25] <eruin> bah ;)
[09:25] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: HaroldJohnson sorry, i meant desktop manager (like kde or gnome)
[09:25] <husher> eruin: but i don'd remember anything earth-shattering
[09:25] <eruin> husher, I'll take that as a no then, since you didnt even notice :-)
[09:25] <din> err i meant window manager
[09:25] <HaroldJohnson> din: I couldn't get xfce going.
[09:25] <din> HaroldJohnson, why not?
[09:25] <Echelon-H> how can i unzip tar.gz file?
[09:25] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: i'm not much into GUIs, so 'file manglers, desktop manglers, window manglers, etc"
[09:25] <HaroldJohnson> din: Not sure yet.
[09:25] <Razor-X> HaroldJohnson: so, have you installed much?
[09:25] <husher> eruin: or i'm not particularly observant, one of the two :)
[09:25] <din> Echelon-H, tar zxvf blah.tar.gz
[09:25] <Aragorn_Guardian> hi
[09:25] <tiglionabbit> Echelon-H: use file-roller, or the command tar xvzf
[09:25] <Aragorn_Guardian> samba dont works ...
[09:26] <mpmc> time to start installing apache...
[09:26] <acid2_> What do I need for command line ogg encoding?
[09:26] <Aragorn_Guardian> authenticating users...dont works
[09:26] <SuperLag> any !seen bots in here?
[09:26] <SuperLag> just wondering where tseng is/has been
[09:26] <tiglionabbit> SuperLag: yes
[09:26] <HappyFool> acid2_: oggenc (i think)
[09:26] <SuperLag> !seen tseng
[09:26] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'tseng', SuperLag
[09:26] <nalioth> acid2_: oggenc
[09:26] <acid2_> I searched synaptic for that, but could find it
[09:26] <Aragorn_Guardian> when i create a user in system, what i need todo for it be a samba user?
[09:26] <HaroldJohnson> Razor-X: No, not yet.  I booted up and saw gnome, tried to login, got an error, dropped to a failsafe terminal, install xfce4, didn't know how to start that, installed fluxbox, install wdm, now I'm trying to get fluxbox going.
[09:26] <acid2_> searched with synaptic*
[09:27] <Echelon-H> thanks din and tilionabbit
[09:27] <din> np
[09:27] <sunrex> ..
[09:27] <sunrex> ok..
[09:27] <Razor-X> HaroldJohnson: to cope in a terminal in the meantime
[09:27] <sunrex> how do i get sound...
[09:27] <Razor-X> sudo apt-get install twin
[09:27] <Razor-X> trust me, you'll thank me later
[09:27] <acid2_> sunrex, lose the ... man
[09:27] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: do you get a graphical login screen?
[09:27] <acid2_> :P
[09:27] <HaroldJohnson> Razor-X: I don't mind the terminal, but I want a GUI too, you know?
[09:27] <sunrex> Xine says its playing but theres no sound
[09:27] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I finally did today.
[09:28] <acid2_> sunrex, which audio output?
[09:28] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: ok then, at that screen, click 'sessions' and choose xfce4
[09:28] <husher> sunrex: did you check your mixer settings?
[09:28] <tiglionabbit> Echelon-H: if you're using the command, you can remember it like this: X for eXtract, V for Verbose (prints out what it's exctarcting), Z for gZip, and F for do it to this File
[09:28] <trebuchet> i've mounted my winxp ntfs drive to /mnt/win and am trying to chmod 707 it so i can access it as a normal user but its not working
[09:28] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I logged in but received an error saying the session lasted only 10 seconds because of blah blah blah.
[09:28] <husher> sunrex: sometimes they default to muted
[09:28] <Echelon-H> tiglionabbit, thanks
[09:28] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: that has nothing to do wiht xfce4
[09:28] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Okay, thanks, I'll try that.
[09:28] <mpmc> is there an audio mixer.. like windows.. so it plays each sound at once. and not after each other?
[09:28] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I'm going now to try.
[09:29] <tiglionabbit> lol, s/exctarcting/extracting/
[09:29] <trebuchet> everytime i chmod 707 /mnt/win it seems to work then i try to cd to it and i get permission denied
[09:29] <root________> heLLo again
[09:29] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: you might like to read this http://linuz.sns.it/~max/twin/
[09:29] <acid2_> mpmc, of course
[09:29] <acid2_> alsa, esd etc do that
[09:29] <acid2_> if thats what you mean
[09:29] <bla1> any ideas on how to stop my ip from showing when i log into a chatroom?
[09:29] <adham> hey
[09:29] <acid2_> bla1, use a proxy?
[09:29] <root________> I'm on the ubuntu livecd now, but I don't know how to make the wireless work, so I'm using the local wired LAN.  how can I make the wireless LAN work ?
[09:29] <adham> could someone help me with one small thing
[09:29] <bla1> my isp's proxy?
[09:29] <mpmc> no i mean so.. it mixes them together not one at a time.
[09:29] <Razor-X> remember to run twin ;)
[09:30] <flankk> "Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/automake/automake1.4_1.4-p6-8_all.deb  MD5Sum mismatch"
[09:30] <Razor-X> I told him to get twin, nalioth
[09:30] <acid2_> mpmc, oooo, im not sure
[09:30] <adham> someone
[09:30] <adham> anyone
[09:30] <adham> lol
[09:30] <husher> mpmc: use the esound sink
[09:30] <siorfin> i need help! im trying to download xfce4 metapackage and the dumbass us.archive.ubuntu.com server keeps giving some crap about md5sum mismatch how can i fix this
[09:30] <acid2_> adham, not with that attitude
[09:30] <bla1> flannk you need to edit your apt sources, from us.sources to ca.sources
[09:30] <HappyFool> adham: tell us what the problem is
[09:30] <adham> ok
[09:30] <acid2_> just ask the question and be patient
[09:30] <nalioth> Razor-X: best to show people things, rather than tell them things
[09:30] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Looks like I got that error again.
[09:30] <Razor-X> nalioth: how can he look at it when not in a GUI?
[09:31] <trebuchet> bla1: most people hide their ip by using a shell on another system to irc on... usually ones with quirky dns's like yo.momma.loves.my.shorts.com
[09:31] <Echelon-H> does anyonem know of a Ventrilo for linux?
[09:31] <tiglionabbit> I must say, I have trebuchet's question too.  How exactly do I make a mounted partition accessible to all users?
[09:31] <root________> trebuchet, most just use bnc for that
[09:31] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: at a failsafe terminal in your homedir, type "rm .ICEauthority"
[09:31] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: and then try to log back in to xfce
[09:31] <acid2_> I personally would get shell access to a machine, and run irssi proxy on it
[09:31] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: with ther permissions you pass in the fstab
[09:31] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: What is that removing, and why?
[09:32] <husher> Echelon-H: you mean just a voip softphone?
[09:32] <mpmc> how do I install apache1 not 2
[09:32] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: the .ICEauthority file is supposed to be read/write, but sometines it gets 'locked' by unknowing processes
[09:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know anything about samba?
[09:32] <Echelon-H> husher, huh? I mean Ventrilo.. You know.. Ventrilo :P
[09:32] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Okay, I'll try that
[09:33] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Not as much as I used to but shoot
[09:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> windows xp asking for a password
[09:33] <HappyFool> mpmc: i see an 'apache' package which has version 1.3.33 (vs. apache2, which has version 2.0.53)
[09:33] <Echelon-H> husher, yes, it's some sort of VoIP thingy
[09:33] <husher> Echelon-H: the only Ventrilo i know of is some voice communications software, are you talking of something else?
[09:33] <anatole> re
[09:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and as far as i know there isen't one
[09:33] <Echelon-H> husher, that's what im talking about./
[09:33] <anatole> having a strange problem here
[09:33] <anatole> gnome does not load, just in failsafe mode
[09:34] <anatole> itherwise it stops at "session manager proxy"
[09:34] <anatole> *otherwise
[09:34] <root________> heeeeeelp, how can I get the wireless LAN working on this desktop..  my girlfriend says that's the only way i can install Linux on her Lappy is if the wireless works perfectly >,.,<
[09:34] <husher> Echelon-H: i know of a few software phones for linux
[09:34] <din> Echelon-H, there is no client for linux, there is however a ventrilo server.
[09:34] <din> Echelon-H, try teamspeak as an alternative.
[09:34] <husher> root__: what's the problem?
[09:34] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Same user as what you login to Ubuntu with?
[09:34] <anatole> anyone could suggest something?
[09:34] <Razor-X> my emacs feels so nice...
[09:35] <Razor-X> I think I may switch to erc
[09:35] <din> root________, easy
[09:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats what i thought
[09:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but it dosen't work right
[09:35] <din> root________, what's the essid of the wireless connectioin?
[09:35] <freddy> fist of all root________, IRC'ING as root....bad practice
[09:35] <din> connection*
[09:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i try with my pass/logon and nothin
[09:35] <root________> husher, module loads, but the hardware won't actually connect to the wlan
[09:35] <root________> din, I have no clue
[09:35] <Echelon-H> din, All my buddies are using Ventrilo. Using teamspeak would bve as useful as talking to myself
[09:35] <baggetFUNKI> hello
[09:35] <Echelon-H> And I know there's a Server-Side Ventrilo for linux
[09:35] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Did you look in /var/log/smb.conf ?
[09:35] <baggetFUNKI> how can i set up a twinview setup with one monitor on dvi?
[09:35] <freddy> irc'ing as root = bad :(
[09:36] <din> root________, well is it a linksys wireless router?
[09:36] <root________> freddy, and it just looks like I'm IRCng as root
[09:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nope i'll check and let you know
[09:36] <freddy> yes. it looks.
[09:36] <root________> din, it is a local linksys wireless router, yes
[09:36] <husher> root_______: what is the essid listed in 'iwconfig' ?
[09:36] <din> brb
[09:36] <trebuchet> pretending to be irc'ing as root often gets you kicked
[09:36] <Razor-X> anyone here use emacs terminal?
[09:36] <baggetFUNKI> anybody got any experience with xinerama?
[09:36] <siorfin> why do i keep getting md5sum errors on us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[09:36] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Sorry, I meant smb.log or something similar
[09:36] <root________> sit0      no wireless extensions.
[09:37] <freddy> what chipset root________ ?
[09:37] <HappyFool> ChurcH_of_FoamY: have you tried setting the password with 'sudo smbpasswd -a <user>' ? (not sure if this is necessary)
[09:37] <kenny> hi guys
[09:37] <root________> freddy, atheros
[09:37] <jasoncohen> i tried both human gdm themes and i can only reboot, shutdown, change language or change session. there's no option to use the XDMCP screen
[09:37] <jasoncohen> why not?
[09:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no i haven't
[09:37] <kenny> I need help with DVD authoring
[09:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but i don't want there to be any password or login
[09:37] <din> root________, iwconfig eth1 essid linksys
[09:37] <din> root________, dhclient eth1
[09:37] <nalioth> kenny: use k3b
[09:37] <din> bbl, work to do
[09:37] <HappyFool> siorfin: change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com
[09:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> every computer on my network has to have access to this box
[09:38] <kenny> I dont have KDe installed
[09:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> or a drive on it i mean
[09:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i want to remove the password
[09:38] <HappyFool> ChurcH_of_FoamY: then you need 'guest ok = yes' lines in /etc/samba/smb.conf
[09:38] <nalioth> kenny: that doesnt matter, k3b will install and run
[09:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk] 
[09:38] <HappyFool> ChurcH_of_FoamY: i think they're per share
[09:38] <root________> Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :
[09:38] <root________>     SET failed on device eth1 ; No such device.
[09:38] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Set the share as guest
[09:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how?
[09:39] <marc> lo
[09:39] <kenny> k3b + KDElibs = more bloat than i want lol
[09:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> in that config?
[09:39] <bddebian> Oh, nm..  HappyFool was right
[09:39] <mik__> hi, why there is xcdroast in gtk-1 (and also amule in gtk-1) ??
[09:39] <kenny> I have DVDstyleer 1.3.1 and it needs jpegtompeg, were can i find this
[09:39] <mik__> is there any place when can I download them in gtk-2
[09:39] <marc> Is there anyway to get application menu bars to act like OSX in Gnome?
[09:39] <nalioth> mik__: because nobody wants to enable them to use gtk2
[09:40] <Razor-X> nalioth: ya know, BASHBurner doesen't work thanks to a lib we don't have
[09:40] <nalioth> marc: use superkaramba
[09:40] <husher> root_______: does iwconfig list any interface with wireless extensions?
[09:40] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: You're a star.  But there's a problem; when I log into xfce, there's a little silouette of a mouse in the middle of the screen.
[09:40] <nalioth> Razor-X: really? what lib is that?
[09:40] <mik__> nalioth: but why? Looks better
[09:40] <root________> husher, nein
[09:40] <mik__> nalioth: for me
[09:40] <marc> and that will make the menu bars appear at the top when the app has focus?
[09:40] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: thats the mascot, don't worry, it doesnt eat much
[09:40] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: LOL
[09:40] <kenny> Does anyone know were i can find jpegtompeg ubuntu package
[09:40] <husher> root______: and the modules are loaded?
[09:41] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I'm going to try using it, now.
[09:41] <Razor-X> nalioth: libvorbis some version
[09:41] <root________> husher, ath_pci and all it's sub-modules are loaded, yes
[09:41] <nalioth> mik__: i just answered your question to the best of my knowledge, i personally don't care what an app looks like as long as it works
[09:41] <Echelon-H> lol anyone tried weather plugin for xfce?
[09:41] <freddy> what you guys prefer gtkpod or rythmbox?
[09:41] <nalioth> Razor-X: you got to be <censord> me
[09:41] <mik__> nalioth: ok
[09:41] <nalioth> Razor-X: libvorbis is f/oss
[09:41] <siorfin> happyfool, that did it thanks
[09:41] <mik__> thnx
[09:41] <Razor-X> nalioth: hmmm?
[09:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> bdebbian can i pastebin to you the config file and you can tell me what i need to do
[09:41] <freddy> root________, why irc'ing as root? that is bad bad :(
[09:41] <Razor-X> the version-number isn't correct
[09:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i am having trouble unsderstanding it
[09:42] <nalioth> Razor-X: libvorbis is freely available
[09:42] <Razor-X> nalioth: but not the version in the repos
[09:42] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Sure
[09:42] <husher> nalioth: rythmbox
[09:42] <Razor-X> which means I have to compile it on my own ;)
[09:42] <Razor-X> I mean...
[09:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> bdebbian thanx
[09:42] <bddebian> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Or just /query me
[09:42] <nalioth> Razor-X: ah, version mismatch
[09:42] <Razor-X> the version bashBurn needs is higher than the one in the repos
[09:42] <freddy> husher, you talking to me? :D
[09:42] <freddy> nalioth, heya!!
[09:43] <husher> freddy: heh, yea, oops
[09:43] <nalioth> Razor-X: not a problem since most users want futureports enabled anyway
[09:43] <nalioth> howdy, freddy
[09:43] <Razor-X> futureports? ;)
[09:43] <Echelon-H> do i need tyo reset the xfce in order for the weather plugin to work?
[09:43] <freddy> husher, why rythmbox? well...the two of them look like itunes in some way hehehe
[09:43] <nalioth> Razor-X: you know what i mean, most folks want bling over stability
[09:43] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: It's a *really* satisfying feeling to finally see a desktop on this old bird...
[09:43] <root________> caaan..  anyone help me still ?  wireless is the one thing I need working to convert my girlfriend to Linux :)
[09:44] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: xfce may be too much for 64MB to handle; I may have to switch to fluxbox.
[09:44] <husher> freddy: yea, that's pretty much it.  it could do with an eq, however.
[09:44] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: congratulations (and what a wiki i can see coming out of your experience)
[09:44] <adham> hello fellow linux users
[09:44] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: you could also try matchbox
[09:44] <kenny> hi asham
[09:44] <root________> just for the record, lspci spits out: 0000:02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)
[09:44] <kenny> srry adham
[09:44] <Echelon-H> fluxbox = empty screen :\
[09:44] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I'll take you up on that (the wiki).
[09:44] <Razor-X> nalioth: that's true
[09:44] <Echelon-H> I hate that :P
[09:45] <husher> root______: have you looked in System -> Administration -> Networking ?
[09:45] <Victus> where can I find a xine plugin for firefox?
[09:45] <ompaul> root________, system - administration - networking might be a good first step
[09:45] <kenny> vic u can mozplugin
[09:45] <freddy> i wonder if there is a way to change the color of the window border in a theme.....does anyone know?
[09:45] <nalioth> marc: the link you showed me is an image of a macintosh desktop
[09:45] <adham> who has mplayer
[09:45] <Razor-X> hmmm..... I need to learn emacs regular expressions
[09:45] <HaroldJohnson> Echelon-H: What do you do once the fluxbox screen comes up?  Like how to you access the terminal, or the apps, etc.?
[09:45] <root________> thanx :D
[09:45] <nalioth> marc: superkaramba has a 'dock' widget (superkaramba is similar to gdesklets)
[09:45] <HappyFool> root________: looked here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards ?
[09:46] <husher> HaroldJohnson: right-click on the desktop
[09:46] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I dig Ubuntu's color scheme.
[09:46] <HaroldJohnson> husher: Thanks
[09:46] <HappyFool> root________: i see a ar5212 entry on that page
[09:46] <marc> I see
[09:46] <freddy> i wanna change the color of the window border of this theme....where should i look? anyone have an idea?
[09:46] <marc> nalioth,  isnt the dock at the bottom though?
[09:46] <husher> HaroldJohnson: the menu file is in .fluxbox/menu i think, you can edit it there
[09:46] <root________> looking now HappyFool, and everyone else, the Network Settings page doesn't have my wireless card listed
[09:47] <freddy> ndiswrapper
[09:47] <HaroldJohnson> Everyone: I noticed, from the Breezy list, that x-chat is now being accessed (whatever that means).
[09:47] <ompaul> freddy, system preferences theme
[09:47] <nalioth> marc: if you browse around, further at gnome-look, you'll see the superkaramba 'dock' in action
[09:47] <HaroldJohnson> husher: Thank you.  You use fluxbox/
[09:47] <HaroldJohnson> ?
[09:47] <nalioth> marc: you can have a dock on any edge
[09:47] <husher> HaroldJohnson: i did, for years, but I switched to Gnome a wile back
[09:48] <freddy> ompaul, yeah but that will change the theme...or the border...or the icons..i want to change the colors of the border of an specific theme border...
[09:48] <HaroldJohnson> husher: Were you happy with fluxbox while you used it?
[09:48] <husher> HaroldJohnson: when Gnome finally stopped sucking
[09:48] <kenny> huser Gnome dosnt suck
[09:48] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: you might want to give matchbox a try, it is lighter than fluxbox
[09:48] <husher> HaroldJohnson: extremely.  It's terribly basic, and hard to screw up, and lightweight
[09:48] <nalioth> kenny: no, but it used suck hard
[09:48] <husher> kenny: i know, that's why i switched to it
[09:48] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: What's lighter, fluxbox or xfce?
[09:48] <tiglionabbit> HaroldJohnson: oh, the menu thing?  Go to the fluxbox website and download their menu generator
[09:48] <root________> so everything that uses the AR5212 should work out of the box, but mine doesn't....  how do I make it work ?  u,.,u
[09:49] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: flux
[09:49] <marc> Ok i will take a look, and super karamba works flawlessly with Gnome? I thought it was designed for kde
[09:49] <ompaul> freddy, so customise it, or am I not understanding something here
[09:49] <nalioth> marc: you can use kde stuff under gnome, and vice-versa
[09:49] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Okay, I'm going to play with xfce for awhile now.
[09:50] <husher> marc: i'm using Kompose under Gnome, and that was written for kde
[09:50] <Stan2> I seem to have lost my
[09:50] <kenny> yea it used to, i remember using it with Debian
[09:50] <Stan2> programs menu, etc
[09:50] <Stan2> how do i get it back?
[09:50] <Echelon-H> how can i use the mail checker on xfce to check my gmail?
[09:50] <tiglionabbit> you mean the top panel in gnome?
[09:51] <tiglionabbit> Echelon-H: I believe you just type into it "mail.google.com"
[09:51] <marc> husher, i see thanks
[09:51] <kenny> can u share files in IRC chat
[09:51] <tiglionabbit> Echelon-H: but I haven't tried it
[09:51] <tiglionabbit> kenny: using dcc, yes
[09:51] <kenny> DCC?
[09:51] <freddy> gnome = DA BOMB
[09:51] <tiglionabbit> kenny: your client probably has information on it, which it may display if you say /help dcc
[09:52] <root________> the website for the card says to use "madwifi" how do I make the livecd use that ?
[09:52] <Kyral> Whats up for the next GNOME anyway?
[09:52] <sergio> hello
[09:52] <kenny> i use the one that comes with ubuntu
[09:52] <freddy> root________, show the card a bush picture....and you got a madwifi :P
[09:52] <root________> lol
[09:52] <husher> Echelon-H: i'll bet you have to enable pop access in Gmail to get it to work
[09:52] <tiglionabbit> kenny: there are several that come with ubuntu.  You mean xchat?
[09:52] <vagamente> hi all... is there ne1 using audiogalaxy2?
[09:53] <Echelon-H> it asks for mail box
[09:53] <Echelon-H> and I allowed pop access
[09:53] <Echelon-H> I got mail box area, new mail command and command
[09:53] <Echelon-H> thats all
[09:53] <husher> root______: have you installed ubuntu yet?  or is this all on the livecd?
[09:53] <Stan2> How do i restore default panels, please???
[09:53] <husher> Echelon-H: point it at pop.gmail.com
[09:54] <Echelon-H> husher, how can it know my own email? i mean user/ pass
[09:54] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I just sent first email using Ubuntu.  It was a Gmail.  I'm so excited!
[09:54] <root________> husher, this is teh livecd..  girlfriend won't let me install ubuntu intil I can get the livecd working and everything, and wants me to install over wireless if possible, too
[09:54] <nalioth> Echelon-H: the mail checkin thing has to support ssl logins (google is secure)
[09:54] <husher> Echelon-H: that's a good quesion.
[09:54] <HappyFool> Stan2: have you got at least one panel?
[09:54] <Echelon-H> husher, :)
[09:54] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Once Firefox finally loaded up, it's running good on xfce so far.
[09:54] <Stan2> happyfool - yes
[09:54] <Kyral> root________, you don't need Net Access to install Ubuntu
[09:54] <HappyFool> Stan2: which one?
[09:55] <husher> root______: well, a lot of things that don't work on the livecd may work once it's installed
[09:55] <Stan2> happyfool bottom
[09:55] <kenny> Has anyone got DVDShrink/Decrypter working under wine and how stable/fast is it
[09:55] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: you might want to run kazehakaze (it uses the gecko engine, but is a bit lighter running)
[09:55] <husher> Stan2: is the whole menu system gone, or are the menus empty?
[09:55] <vagamente> need some  help with my audiogalaxy2... anyone?
[09:55] <HappyFool> Stan2: ok, find some free space on it, then right-click on that space and choose 'New panel'
[09:55] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I'll write that down for later.
[09:55] <root________> husher, she insists that I be able to attest that it WILL WITHOUT A DOUBT work...
[09:55] <Stan2> happyfool ok
[09:55] <HappyFool> Stan2: the top panel should be added -- but it'll be empty
[09:55] <Stan2> happyfool yeah
[09:56] <HappyFool> Stan2: then, right-click on the top-panel, and choose 'Add to panel'
[09:56] <Stan2> happyfool how do i add programs menu?
[09:56] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I actually have preferred the plain-jane Mozilla to Firefox, though Firefox is gorgeous.
[09:56] <Stan2> ok
[09:56] <Stan2> application laucher?
[09:56] <HappyFool> Stan2: scroll down and select 'Menu bar'
[09:56] <Stan2> ok thanks
[09:56] <root________> can y'all here in teh IRC channel assure me it will work ?  I can spend hours in here with y'all, if that's what it takes to be able to make it work...
[09:56] <Stan2> thanks a lot
[09:56] <kenny> Has anyone got DVDShrink/Decrypter working under wine and how stable/fast is it
[09:56] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I feel like Charlie in the Chocolate Factory right now.
[09:56] <kenny> ?
[09:57] <HappyFool> Stan2: you can also add the clock on the right, and the 'Notification area' -- that should more-or-less restore the panel
[09:57] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: great!
[09:57] <Stan2> happyfool thanks
[09:57] <root________> kenny, don't know IF it works, but if it does, it should be as fast as in wndows, if not more so for the superior cryptographic API
[09:57] <blah> i guess i need to contact my isp on what their proxy server address is
[09:57] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Okay, I'm going to go back to playing with it, then I've got to figure out how to set up my D-Link pcmcia card for wireless browsing.
[09:58] <zero___> Thank you guys for all the help, I reconfigured the partition table and put the boot partition at front, and the problem was resolved
[09:58] <husher> root_____: i can assure you that given enough time, effort, and money, just about anything will work, but I can't say how much of each will be required
[09:58] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: every day a new mountaintop, with a view to the next higher peak
[09:58] <jasoncohen> if anyone was wondering how to use gnome with VNC i found a great howto. It allows you to use XDMCP so when a user opens vnc they start at the gdm login screen
[09:58] <husher> zero___: glad to hear it
[09:58] <root________> husher, alright, thank you :)
[09:58] <jasoncohen> also, you can run it on port 5901 and use vino-server on 5900 to allow remote connections to your desktop
[09:58] <jasoncohen> very cool stuff
[09:58] <jasoncohen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42941
[09:59] <root________> husher, I guess we're close to ready to try..  have a nice day, all of you :)
[09:59] <husher> jasoncohen: thanks, i'll check it out
[10:00] <jasoncohen> so, now your windows friends can log into your ubuntu system and try it out without even needing a live-cd
[10:00] <kenny> has anyone been able to pass grc.com port scan with firestarter. i keep failing.
[10:00] <jasoncohen> and apps like firefox will startup very fast since they're probably already open on the local desktop
[10:00] <jasoncohen> kenny, why do you fail?
[10:00] <HappyFool> kenny: what services do you have running?
[10:00] <vagamente> any audiogalaxy2 user????????
[10:01] <kenny> Ping Reply: RECEIVED (FAILED)  Your system REPLIED to our Ping (ICMP Echo) requests, making it visible on the Internet. Most personal firewalls can be configured to block, drop, and ignore such ping requests in order to better hide systems from hackers. This is highly recommended since "Ping" is among the oldest and most common methods used to locate systems prior to further exploitation.
[10:01] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Well, it's been fun.  I'm going back to OS X now.
[10:01] <kenny> all ports are stealthed but i still fail
[10:01] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: what? on the pb?
[10:01] <husher> HaroldJohnson: cheater.
[10:01] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I'm just kidding.
[10:02] <HaroldJohnson> husher: What?  Are we supposed to *want* to torture ourselves with installation?
[10:02] <jasoncohen> husher, also, it's run from inetd on demand so vnc only starts up when someone connects and then it turns off when they disconnect
[10:02] <nalioth> kenny: perhaps you should read this http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[10:02] <mpmc> does ubuntu come with apache installed?
[10:02] <nalioth> kenny: some of those testing websites fudge a bit, too
[10:02] <husher> HaroldJohnson: yes.  that's the only way we know we are true geeks.
[10:02] <jasoncohen> mpmc, no but you can install it yourself. by default ubuntu has no open ports. it doesn't even install openssh-server
[10:02] <nalioth> mpmc: not to my knowledge
[10:03] <jasoncohen> mpmc, if you want a comprehensive list of all the packages installed by ubuntu look at packages.ubuntu.com and search for ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-base
[10:03] <mpmc> I'm gonna have to reinstall :).. I've installed 2 versions of apache :P
[10:03] <husher> josoncohen:  that is very cool.  I'm gonna set it up here
[10:03] <HaroldJohnson> husher: Actually, jesting aside (sort of), the GUI is currently looking better than OS X did on this PowerBook.  Or, more specifically, the screen hasn't darkened, as it did on OS X.  (An issue with using OS X on these Old World PowerBooks.)
[10:03] <HaroldJohnson> husher: LOL, by the way
[10:03] <TimmyJ> Quick question: I installed ubuntu on my 160GB drive as my only partition but today I got a version of XP pro that I wanna put in for a small gaming partition (like 20 GB) and I was wondering if it was possible to resize the ubuntu partition and if so, how
[10:03] <jasoncohen> husher, have it run on port 5901 if you want to also allow users to connect to your actual desktop with remote desktop connection (vino-server)
[10:03] <supernix> Hiya gang
[10:03] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: i'm surprised you got osx goin on the old thing
[10:03] <jasoncohen> husher, just change the "5900" to "5901" in /etc/inetd.conf
[10:03] <nalioth> TimmyJ: qtparted
[10:04] <TimmyJ> nalioth, thx I'll check that out :)
[10:04] <supernix> I just installed Kubuntu and it did a rather odd thing it created two unmounted partitions one of those being a 1.3mb and one a 1k partition both unmounted
[10:04] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: It had 128MB ram at the time.  I used XPostFacto, and version of BootX (I think).
[10:04] <jasoncohen> husher, oh and remember, if you're doing this over the internet, you should tunnel over SSH
[10:04] <husher> well, my breezy colony 2 cd just got done downloading, so i'm gonna have to try that out
[10:04] <mpmc> look.. http://mpmc.hn.org
[10:04] <supernix> Why in the world did it do that ?
[10:04] <nalioth> TimmyJ: and when you isntall windows, you'll need to be prepared for it to eat your bootloader
[10:04] <mpmc> too different versions :P
[10:04] <husher> jasoncohen: security is for people who have something to hide. ;)
[10:04] <mpmc> lol
[10:04] <nalioth> TimmyJ: there is a fix for that, tho (its a common problem)
[10:04] <vagamente> any audigy2 user?
[10:04] <mpmc> Anyway.. I'll do a clean install...
[10:04] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I'm diggin' Linux, though, and I want to have a least one system running it.
[10:05] <jasoncohen> husher, lol...well, if you want someone sniffing your passwords and trashing your computer be my guest :)
[10:05] <nalioth> TimmyJ: also, i recommend insatlling windows using the fat filesystem (not ntfs)
[10:05] <jasoncohen> vnc by default has no encryption of data so it's all sent in the clear
[10:05] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Besides, I kind of like using the terminal sometimes.
[10:05] <mpmc> I've messed it up a little
[10:05] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: it seems you have at least one system running on it
[10:05] <mpmc> Bye
[10:05] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: the terminal is your friend
[10:05] <jasoncohen> husher, and tunneling over ssh is simple- just run "ssh -L 5901:localhost:5901 serverip"
[10:05] <jasoncohen> and then "vncviewer localhost:1"
[10:05] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: Okay, it's time to test/setup the wireless.
[10:05] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: I'm out.
[10:06] <husher> jasoncohen: i know, but i usually just use my cisco vpn to handle all that.
[10:06] <zaki_> hello everyone
[10:06] <jasoncohen> husher, yeah- i use openvpn to handle it
[10:06] <jasoncohen> it's more transparent than SSH
[10:06] <jasoncohen> i just recommended SSH because it doesn't require any setup and it's easy
[10:06] <guest> hi
[10:07] <husher> anybody here use mythtv?
[10:07] <jasoncohen> so...anyone know why the human theme doesn't allow XDMCP login?
[10:07] <ompaul> hello guest
[10:08] <Stan2> Following the suggestions of this chatroom, I just bought an Ethernet Card and put it in my Ubuntu computer.  Now what?
[10:08] <husher> jasoncohen: don't you just need to enable xdmcp in the gdm setup app?
[10:09] <ompaul> Stan2, what do you want to do?
[10:09] <jasoncohen> husher, i have XDMCP working fine- just not with the human theme
[10:09] <Varanger> crimsun: are you here?
[10:09] <Stan2> ompaul connect to the internet
[10:09] <nalioth> Stan2: hopefully you purchased a linux compatible card
[10:09] <husher> jasoncohen: really? that is weird.  use a different theme, i guess ;)
[10:09] <jasoncohen> husher, there's no option for XDMCP i can see with either of the human themes. I used a gnome theme and i was able to do it fine
[10:10] <husher> jasoncohen: wait, where are you doing this?
[10:10] <jasoncohen> so i'm wondering why it's not working because when i use it with inetd- it shows a disconnect button leading me to believe that the theme should support remote login
[10:10] <HappyFool> Stan2: how is whatever computer you're chatting on connected to the internet?
[10:10] <Stan2> happyfool its operating XP, wireless internet
[10:10] <husher> jasoncohen: check System -> Administration -> Login Screen Setup
[10:10] <ompaul> Stan2, if you have done as nalioth has suggested and got such a card, starting ubuntu and clicking on system administration networking should get you up and going
[10:10] <jasoncohen> husher, on my ubuntu desktop. i enabled XDMCP on the client and opened the port on the server to connect. i can connect fine using any other theme
[10:10] <Stan2> Linksys
[10:11] <jasoncohen> husher, XDMCP is enabled
[10:11] <husher> jasoncohen: you mean in the gdm login screen there's no xdmcp login option?
[10:11] <HappyFool> Stan2: how about turning on 'internet sharing' in XP and connecting the ubuntu PC to the XP pc via a crossover cable?
[10:11] <Stan2> ompaul ok thanks
[10:11] <Stan2> I got it
[10:11] <vagamente> any audigy2 soundcard user????
[10:11] <Stan2> thakns
[10:11] <jasoncohen> husher, as is "allow running XDMCP chooser from the login screen"
[10:11] <jasoncohen> husher, yes- exactly- but only for the two human themes
[10:11] <TimmyJ> nalioth, with qtparted with /dev/sda1 (my 150GB ext3 part of my drive) all I can do is delete or format my drive, is this because its "active"?
[10:12] <husher> jasoncohen: huh.  I guess they're just broken?
[10:12] <jasoncohen> if that's the case, why do i see a disconnect button when i connect over VNC
[10:13] <jasoncohen> with the human theme
[10:13] <husher> jasoncohen: sounds like a bug to me.  sorry i can't be of more help.
[10:13] <marc__> lo
[10:13] <husher> so long, everyone, i'm gonna boot into my shiny new breezy colony 2 cd :)
[10:13] <jasoncohen> husher, thanks, i'll see what i can find on ubuntu's bugzilla
[10:14] <marc__> Nalioth about?
[10:14] <jasoncohen> i guess it's not just me- see https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7978
[10:15] <HaroldJohnson> Okay, switching to irssi for chat
[10:16] <calamari> hi
[10:16] <steven_> is tehre anything besides mplayer that can play wmvs on firefox?
[10:16] <DPwonder> can Ubuntu can't read NTFS drives to put into grub?
[10:17] <calamari> I have a weird directory entry with 0 references to it.  I'm wondering, how did it get that way, and how do I remove it?
[10:18] <HaroldJohnson> I made it!  I am now IRC-ing from Ubuntu
[10:18] <leon> Congratulations
[10:18] <leon> Me too
[10:18] <chillywilly> lalala
[10:18] <kenny> nalioth iv figured it out how to block ICMP and pass grc.com
[10:19] <HaroldJohnson> leon: Thanks
[10:19] <kenny> finally
[10:19] <leon> What client do you use Harold?
[10:19] <leon> I'm using xchat
[10:19] <steven_>  is there another mplayer subsititute?
[10:19] <HaroldJohnson> What is the keyboard command for switching apps?
[10:19] <leon> vlc
[10:19] <kenny> driving me nuts thats, i now have 99% perfect linux box
[10:19] <HaroldJohnson> leon: I'm using the default for xfce, x-chat
[10:19] <calamari> steven: vlc, but I find its performance to be inferior
[10:20] <HaroldJohnson> leon: I plan to use irssi soon.
[10:20] <Stan2> happyfool - "An error occured while Internet Connection Sharing was being enabled"
[10:20] <HappyFool> Stan2: alas, i am not familiar with XP connection sharing
[10:21] <leon> how can you make the mssage with my name in from, Harold
[10:21] <teferi> i asked this yesterday, but no one answered...when is linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.12 going to hit breezy?
[10:21] <leon> I'm learning IRC
[10:21] <whiprush> they posted on the list that they're working on it
[10:21] <HaroldJohnson> leon: I have the same question.  I've been manually typing the name.
[10:21] <leon> Harold: I'm after you
[10:22] <calamari> Harold: You don't mean Alt-Tab?
[10:22] <K4ZaDoR> Heeeeeeey i have an Imac and i cant to install Ubuntu :( anyone help me?
[10:22] <leon> Harold: What's good about irssi
[10:22] <K4ZaDoR> -- error Configure a multiseat system - - -
[10:23] <HaroldJohnson> calamari: That's it exactly; thanks.
[10:23] <Stan2> ompaul - Ethernet connection is active in Network Settings, but I don't have internet
[10:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wonders if it's possible to run mac software in ubuntu
[10:23] <calamari> here is the dir. entry I'm trying to remove: drwxr-xr-x   0 root root    0 Jul  7 17:03 arizona_client2/
[10:24] <K4ZaDoR> anyone with ubuntu on iMac G3 help me with the installation
[10:25] <calamari> foamy: PearPC?
[10:25] <jcoxon> ChurcH_of_Foamy: search google for mac on linux
[10:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> will that allow me to run sim city for mac
[10:25] <jasoncohen> how made the human theme?
[10:26] <calamari> foamy: tias
[10:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> jcoxon kk
[10:26] <kenny> dont know who made the human theme but i do know it sucks
[10:26] <Speedy2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Are you asking if you can run Mac programs on x86 Ubuntu?
[10:26] <gach> hey i need a good sources.list for ubuntu
[10:26] <Speedy2> Hey all. I just re-compiled my kernel (2.6.12-2), everything seems to work, but for some reason the network interface (eth0) is no longer brought up on boot. The ifupdown scripts are enabled and seem to run -- any ideas?
[10:26] <gach> ..
[10:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> speedy2 yes
[10:26] <HappyFool> !sources
[10:26] <ubotu> sources is, like, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[10:26] <gach> im lacking a lot of programs
[10:27] <kenny> gach horay backports
[10:27] <calamari> kenny: it'd be better in blue, but it seems fine to me
[10:27] <HappyFool> gach: look at the url ubotu posted
[10:27] <jcoxon> ChurcH_of_FoamY: oh that won't work if you are on x86
[10:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[10:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> damnit
[10:27] <Speedy2> gach : The Ubuntu getting started guide gives guides you to uncomment two lines and gives you two lines to add -- that should help
[10:27] <ompaul> Stan2, sorry, was otherwise occupied
[10:27] <Speedy2> ChurcH_of_FoamY:  You can with a program called "Basillisk II"
[10:27] <jcoxon> ChurcH_of_FoamY: qemu?
[10:27] <kenny> calamari: its not really a big pain cause i can change it myself the problem comes when i have more than one account and i have to change each account
[10:28] <gach> already have those..
[10:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> huh?
[10:28] <Speedy2> ChurcH_of_FoamY:  That is a Mac Emulator.  But it won't handle PowerPC programs, just Mac Classic programs.
[10:28] <Stan2> ompail ok, I just found that my card is supported by linux, its DE-530  ... http://www.faqs.org/docs/ethernet/Ethernet-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.14
[10:28] <calamari> bbl
[10:28] <Stan2> ompaul*
[10:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh you mean the fishtank macs
[10:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[10:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the game i have is for the power pc
[10:28] <ompaul> Stan2, run the following command 'sudo dhclient' in a terminal
[10:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but the older onces
[10:28] <Speedy2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Well, Basilisk II will do upto a Quadra or a Centris
[10:28] <kenny> I wish ubuntu devs would create a program like Nlite.  Ubuntu needs a program like that
[10:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that may work
[10:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> where can i find this prog synaptic?
[10:29] <ompaul> Stan2, I am making the assumption that you have cables plugged in and stuff :)
[10:29] <freddy> i wanna test my mom, to see if she realize she is using linux instead of windows.....do you guys know of a good theme that will dress it like windows xp?
[10:29] <Stan2> ompaul yes
[10:29] <Stan2> and i put that code in
[10:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> takes a shot of bacardi 151
[10:29] <kenny> church: click system>administration
[10:29] <Speedy2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I don't know if it's in the Ubunutu repositories.  Try googling around for it, you might have to install a .deb of it
[10:29] <ompaul> Stan2, now try a web browser
[10:29] <Stan2> ok
[10:29] <jcoxon> ChurcH_of_FoamY, use pearpc
[10:29] <kenny> its installed by default
[10:30] <monteiro> i compiled a new kernel, but after the restart my internet didnt work, i've to do ifup eth0 after a restart, how i make this task automatically ?
[10:30] <Stan2> ompaul your amazing thanks!
[10:30] <jcoxon> ChurcH_of_FoamY, http://pearpc.sourceforge.net
[10:30] <Stan2> ompaul I never thought that it would work, thanks
[10:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> jcoxon kk
[10:30] <freddy> i wanna test my mom, to see if she realize she is using linux instead of windows.....do you guys know of a good theme that will dress it like windows xp?
[10:31] <ompaul> Stan2, no the guys who wrote the dhcp software are :) your connection will be there when you reboot - as long as the router is powered on first :) if not you can just do that command
[10:31] <musicman2059> lol!
[10:31] <Belutz> hai all
[10:31] <marc__> Ok does anyone know how to achieve this in gnome?  >> http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7715/1354820md.jpg
[10:31] <kenny> freddy just say that its the newest version of windows
[10:31] <HaroldJohnson> leon: Sorry I bailed
[10:31] <HaroldJohnson> leon: accidentally
[10:31] <kenny> Windows Lx
[10:31] <Belutz> do you guys accept questions from a newbie?
[10:31] <jcoxon> Belutz, yup
[10:31] <HaroldJohnson> leon: I was trying to close the window; apparently I closed the app.
[10:32] <kenny> yes we do Belutz
[10:32] <ompaul> Belutz, yes
[10:32] <HappyFool> freddy: maybe look here: http://art.gnome.org/
[10:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> jcoxon which one do i get ?
[10:32] <Belutz> I'm downloading ubuntu live cd right now...
[10:32] <ompaul> Belutz, do you ask questions? ;-)
[10:32] <marc__> How do i get Gnome to do this? http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7715/1354820md.jpg
[10:32] <freddy> thanks kenny HappyFool
[10:32] <jcoxon> ChurcH_of_FoamY, what exacytly is the program you want to run?
[10:32] <monteiro> how i put a command when the computer restarts ?
[10:32] <HaroldJohnson> Do you all manually type eachother's names to address specifically?
[10:32] <Belutz> if i use livecd, will it destroy my hdd partition?
[10:32] <ompaul> Belutz, no it will not
[10:33] <Fikrann> Hello all
[10:33] <p8nt> hey i have a question... im running an apache server and im wondering how to get permission of my var/www folder
[10:33] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: type the first few letters, then hit tab.
[10:33] <marc__> HaroldJohnson, I type first three letters then tab :
[10:33] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Like this?
[10:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> sim city classic
[10:33] <whiprush> yep
[10:33] <leon> whiprush, cool
[10:33] <HaroldJohnson> marc__, Okay, I'm seeing
[10:33] <Fikrann> Is there any mirror list for backports? The one I'm using is glacially slow.
[10:33] <Speedy2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Why not run a PC version of SimCity through something like WINE or VMWare?
[10:33] <HaroldJohnson> marc__, Thanks
[10:33] <Belutz> ompaul: the livecd include the openoffice right? what if i want to save a document?
[10:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the original city simulator
[10:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> cause i don't have it
[10:33] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Thank you; this will save alot.
[10:33] <p8nt> hey
[10:33] <jcoxon> ChurcH_of_FoamY, http://simcity.ea.com/play/classic/index.html
[10:34] <p8nt> can anybody help me get permissions of my var/www folder
[10:34] <marc__> Any gnome gurus here? :P
[10:34] <Speedy2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Well, I bet you if you poke around you can download a copy from somewhere
[10:34] <jcoxon> ChurcH_of_FoamY, much easier
[10:34] <ompaul> Belutz, usb key? floppy? a hard drive bought just for that job
[10:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> might be
[10:34] <HaroldJohnson> Any wireless gurus in the house?
[10:34] <marc__> Or... Get a gmail account and mount is as a harddrive :P
[10:34] <Speedy2> p8nt: chmod u+x <folder> ?
[10:34] <freddy> woah kenny i love you
[10:34] <freddy> thanks
[10:34] <Belutz> so, if i use livecd, i still can save to the hdd?
[10:34] <p8nt> yea that will prob work
[10:35] <ompaul> HaroldJohnson, that is not really a good question, a better one is can you help me do  X with my wireless card where X is whatever it is you want to do
[10:35] <marc__> can ubuntu's ntfs module write to NTFS ?
[10:35] <HaroldJohnson> ompaul, Good call; thanks.
[10:35] <HappyFool> marc__: nope
[10:35] <marc__> never tried, im not that brave
[10:35] <marc__> ah as i figured
[10:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea as soon as i figure out how i wanna put something like kazza or another p2p prog on here
[10:35] <ompaul> Belutz, not a windows partition though
[10:35] <marc__> so, no ideas on how to get Gnome to do this?    --> http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7715/1354820md.jpg
[10:35] <Speedy2> marc__: Write NTFS support is pretty much "unreliable" under Linux (Ubunutu or not)
[10:36] <vagamente> hi all... is there any audigy2 user?
[10:36] <Belutz> ompaul: ok... ic... hmmm
[10:36] <marc__> Speedy2, Thats what i gathered :P  Hence the "not that brave" comment
[10:36] <ompaul> Belutz, but usb keys rock
[10:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wonders if he can download sim city in a torrent file from someware
[10:36] <husher> marc__: you mean display the menu bar at the top? like a mac?
[10:36] <marc__> yes :)
[10:36] <HaroldJohnson> ompaul, I'm trying to get my D-Link DWL-G630 wifi pcmcia card to work with Ubuntu.  I've run iwconfig and apparently it's not being recognized.  The chipset is Atheros.  Do you have any idea what I can do to test/get this card up and running?
[10:36] <marc__> I tried karamba, like Nalioth suggested
[10:36] <marc__> But that just managed the launcher at the bottom
[10:37] <marc__> thats not what i wanted
[10:37] <marc__> I want the menu bar at the top
[10:37] <Speedy2> HaroldJohnson: Do you know if Ubuntu has a module for your NIC?
[10:37] <Fikrann> HaroldJohnson, you need madwifi driver for that.
[10:37] <husher> marc__, no way that i'm aware of; talk to the gnome boys
[10:37] <Belutz> oh... i forgot to ask the most important question... will ubuntu run on my NEC Versa M540 smoothly?
[10:37] <ompaul> HaroldJohnson, no, but I bet someone else may know what to do with it, after all there are 488 other opinions here :)
[10:37] <tiglionabbit> probably, Belutz
[10:37] <jcoxon> HaroldJohnson, do dmesg in the terminal and see if anything is mentioned
[10:37] <Speedy2> Belutz: What speed is your Versa?
[10:37] <Balistic22> yo
[10:37] <HaroldJohnson> Fikrann, I had a feeling.  I tried compiling that a couple of days ago, but had trouble doing so.
[10:37] <marc__> husher, this is, that screenshot is from a gnome desktop, heavily customised.  If you see thats nautilus :P
[10:37] <HaroldJohnson> ompaul, LOL
[10:37] <husher> Belutz: download the livecd and try it
[10:37] <p8nt> yea i still cant write to my /var/www folder
[10:37] <HaroldJohnson> ompaul, 489
[10:37] <jcoxon> HaroldJohnson, sorry missed it what exactly is your card?
[10:38] <marc__> husher, where be those pesky gnome boys?
[10:38] <HaroldJohnson> jcoxon, Will do.
[10:38] <Fikrann> HaroldJohnson, do you have linux-kernel-headers installedL
[10:38] <Fikrann> s/L/?/
[10:38] <husher> marc__: #gnome would be my guess
[10:38] <Speedy2> p8nt:  You may have to add +rw to /var/www
[10:38] <Belutz> speedy: Centrino 1,7Ghz
[10:38] <p8nt> ok
[10:38] <ompaul> HaroldJohnson, no it was 490 and I subtracted yours and mine :) see what jcoxon said to you that may start to help
[10:38] <Speedy2> Belutz: It should run perfectly
[10:38] <ivoks> marc__: KDE can have menu on top
[10:38] <brianp> hi
[10:38] <husher> marc__: are you sure that's not a mac with X on it or something?
[10:38] <HaroldJohnson> jcoxon, LOL, it's looks like everything in the world was mentioned.  (A lot of informaton scrolled by.)
[10:38] <Belutz> speedy: so ubuntu will detect all the hardware?
[10:38] <brianp> I have a problem with Office Spreadsheet
[10:38] <marc__> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=13548
[10:39] <jcoxon> HaroldJohnson, yup that was the point :)
[10:39] <marc__> husher, http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=13548
[10:39] <Belutz> husher: yup, i'm downloading ubuntu and freesbie right now
[10:39] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: you need to install linux-restricted-modules for it to recognize the wifi card.
[10:39] <freddy> i downloaded a windows border theme? .tar.gz where do i store it?
[10:39] <brianp> When I open it and attempt to sum a collumn, the "sum" button does not work and it displays "#REF!"
[10:39] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: after that it should just work.
[10:39] <marc__> freddy, Using gnome freddy?
[10:39] <HaroldJohnson> Fikrann, I'll look into that.
[10:39] <Belutz> i'm sick of using windowsXP, wanna try something new.... hehehehe....
[10:39] <husher> marc__: wowzers
[10:39] <ivoks> marc__: that's osx
[10:39] <freddy> marc__, of course :)
[10:39] <acid2_> Hey, is there anyway I can reduce the size of the fonts in QT?
[10:39] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, I'll install that.
[10:40] <Fikrann> Belutz, you might want to use newer 'centrino wifi' driver (that is ipw2200) than the one in Ubuntu, apart that everything should be working well <-- written on Centrino laptop. }:>
[10:40] <husher> Belutz, if the livecd rocks, so will ubuntu (also written on a centrino laptop)
[10:41] <p8nt> i still cant log into root
[10:41] <p8nt> i mean
[10:41] <Belutz> fikrann: would you please give me the url of the driver?
[10:41] <p8nt> i still cant change permissions
[10:41] <Belutz> husher: ic...
[10:41] <p8nt> the owner is root
[10:41] <dtygel> hi all:
[10:41] <HaroldJohnson> Fikrann, apt-get is reporting that it couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules.  Any idea if I need to add a repository to the sources?
[10:41] <dtygel> i have problems detecting an old soundcard!
[10:41] <Fikrann> New ipw2200 driver has ton of nice features .. rfmon support being one of them. Vive le kismet!
[10:41] <dtygel> any help
[10:42] <Belutz> btw, can linux open .chm files ?
[10:42] <dtygel> it's soundblaster, very old...
[10:42] <ivoks> xchm
[10:42] <leon> Belutz, gnochm
[10:42] <ivoks> iirc
[10:42] <HappyFool> dtygel: have you looked here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsSoundCards
[10:42] <Fikrann> Belutz, ipw2200.sourceforge.net
[10:42] <HaroldJohnson> Fikrann, Is madwifi installed with linux-restricted-modules?
[10:42] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: search for it, it's not just "linux-restricted-modules" the name has your kernel version attached to the end
[10:42] <marc__> p8nt, cant you sudo chmod?
[10:42] <whiprush> so it's linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[10:42] <whiprush> should do the trick
[10:42] <dtygel> happyfool, I'll take a look... thanks
[10:42] <Belutz> leon: thx!!
[10:43] <Belutz> Fikrann: thx :D
[10:43] <Fikrann> HaroldJohnson, I don't know, I never used that package, I compiled madwifi from sources.
[10:43] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, How do I run that search?  Thanks for your help.  Should I simply google it?
[10:43] <freddy> marc__, ? :(
[10:43] <p8nt> kenny that worked
[10:43] <p8nt> thanks
[10:43] <husher> marc__: now i have a problem; i'm not going to rest untill i get my pc looking like that
[10:43] <HaroldJohnson> Fikrann, Would you advise compiling from the sources rather than linux-restricted-modules?
[10:43] <marc__> Lol :P
[10:43] <marc__> husher, I got the bug too :(
[10:43] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: open up synaptic, system->administration
[10:43] <whiprush> and do a search
[10:43] <marc__> husher, Ive even got that icon pack and desktop wallpaper
[10:43] <whiprush> in there
[10:43] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Can I do this from apt-get?
[10:44] <Belutz> another stupid question... is there any .NET compiler in linux? (i guess not) or what should i do to develop .NET application on linux?
[10:44] <whiprush> sure
[10:44] <Hieronymus> Belutz: mono
[10:44] <HaroldJohnson> Belutz, There are no stupid questions, remember?
[10:44] <whiprush> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[10:44] <marc__> husher, the last thing missing is that window behaviour, KDE can do it.. :(
[10:44] <marc__> freddy, using gnome?
[10:44] <Fikrann> Belutz, you shoul look at Mono
[10:44] <whiprush> note those are backticks not '
[10:44] <freddy> marc__, yes
[10:44] <tiglionabbit> hey guys, something odd about my sound.  I've tweaked it a bit, so this could be my fault but...   I can play something in beep-media-player with its volume set to 0 and still hear it clearly, but when I play a game like vegastrike or scourge the music is really quiet and I can hardly hear it, even when I turn up my volume all the way
[10:44] <HappyFool> HaroldJohnson: what, just stupid questioners? ;)
[10:44] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Thanks for your help.
[10:44] <Belutz> HaroldJohnson: ow ok, i forgot :p
[10:44] <marc__> System > Preferences > Theme > Install New Theme
[10:44] <HaroldJohnson> HappyFool, I want to laugh, but I'm not going to.
[10:44] <Gourami> Hi, I am installing windows 2003 server and ubuntu on the same machine, I have partitioned the drive 50/50 and have installed windows, whats the next step ?
[10:44] <HappyFool> heh
[10:44] <marc__> It will install whole themes, part themes, icons etc etc
[10:45] <trebuchet> i've got a radeon 9200 with tv-out and it seems to be detected as a separate piece of hardware in lspci... how can i get control over it so i can use it as an extended desktop or clone desktop, etc..?
[10:45] <acid2_> how does one setup cron jobs
[10:45] <acid2_> ?
[10:45] <p8nt> does anybody know where i could find an uploading script for my apache server?
[10:45] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: after that, slap the card in
[10:45] <HappyFool> acid2_: 'man crontab' and 'man 5 crontab'
[10:45] <whiprush> and see what happens
[10:45] <acid2_> HappyFool, thanks :)
[10:45] <HappyFool> acid2_: basically write a crontab file, and then run 'crontab <mycronfile>'
[10:45] <Belutz> wew, you guys really helpfull
[10:45] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Well, I have the card in already.  In fact, I had it in during the entire install.  I was hoping that would help it get recognized.
[10:45] <Fikrann> Hey guys, is there any mirror list for Backports? the one I'm using is glacially slow.
[10:46] <whiprush> weird
[10:46] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Any way I can run that search from apt-get?
[10:46] <whiprush> do you have a cable plugged in?
[10:46] <freddy> marc__, if i downloaded the tar.gz in the desktop and installed the theme as you said...can i erase the package on the desktop?
[10:46] <acid2_> ok
[10:46] <whiprush> yeah, apt-cache search linux-restricted-modules
[10:46] <freddy> delete*
[10:46] <whiprush> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[10:46] <marc__> freddy, yes
[10:46] <whiprush> but just do that
[10:46] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Thanks
[10:46] <whiprush> it'll match it exactly
[10:46] <freddy> marc__, awesome thanks
[10:46] <marc__> freddy, nps
[10:47] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Radical
[10:47] <marc__> husher, Those gnome boys are sure quiet
[10:47] <Belutz> if i want to have total migration from XP to ubuntu (after trying the livecd), should i download the cd or dvd version? what's the different?
[10:47] <trebuchet> anybody know how i can make the tv-out on my radeon 9200se card work as an extended desktop or clone?
[10:47] <whiprush> odd though, I have an atheros and it always detects it on install
[10:47] <brianp> Can anybody help with a bug in open office spreadsheet - 'sum' doesn't work?
[10:47] <marc__> trebuchet, Download the CD version
[10:47] <Fikrann> Belutz, if you have good network connection use CD
[10:47] <whiprush> did it give you an option of which interface to make the default one on install?
[10:47] <marc__> trebuchet, Assuming you have a broadband connection
[10:47] <trebuchet> huh?
[10:47] <trebuchet> i have the cd version...
[10:47] <brianp> phew u guys really do get right down to sorting out our problems
[10:48] <husher> marc__: yes, they are
[10:48] <marc__> trebuchet, If you have a broadband connection, use the CD, if not, use the DVD
[10:48] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, I got confused on why I need to add the "uname" part.
[10:48] <husher> marc__: i found a patch to make gnome 1.x do that, but nothing for 2 yet
[10:48] <brianp> *gee* am i on every1s ./ignore list ?
[10:48] <marc__> husher, Aww :(
[10:48] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: those restricted things have to be built for the exact kernel your running
[10:48] <trebuchet> that's making no sense as an answer to my question. are you talking to the right person?
[10:48] <whiprush> uname -r reports what the current version you're running is
[10:48] <Fikrann> trebuchet, He's not.
[10:48] <kenny> srry briannp whats ur problem
[10:48] <Luakagon> hey I have a non winmodem but it wasnt detected :(
[10:48] <HappyFool> brianp: maybe not many openoffice users
[10:48] <brianp> Can anybody help with a bug in open office spreadsheet - 'sum' doesn't work?
[10:48] <brianp> there
[10:49] <kenny> what version do you use
[10:49] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Yes, but what doesn "uname" do?
[10:49] <brianp> 1.1
[10:49] <whiprush> so it matches it to 2.6.12-2-686 or whatever version you're running
[10:49] <Belutz> the dvd version only added with more packages right?
[10:49] <Fikrann> Belutz, yes
[10:49] <whiprush> uname -r reports what the current version of the kernel you're running
[10:49] <Luakagon> I need to download whatever I need to fix this modem in like an hour
[10:49] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Oh, I see
[10:49] <Belutz> wew... can't wait till the download finish...
[10:50] <whiprush> if you don an apt-cache search linux-restricted-modules it'll return like, a page of results.
[10:50] <leon> which kernel to use for intel centrino pentium M 755, 686 or 686-smp?
[10:50] <Fikrann> Belutz, you should also consider disks a bit outdated and update your system to what's available in the net.
[10:50] <whiprush> the uname thing matches it exactly.
[10:50] <jasoncohen> crap...i started up a vnc session and completely lost my gnome panel...any way to get back my old configuration?
[10:50] <brianp> ....?
[10:50] <Fikrann> leon, 686
[10:50] <whiprush> so you don't have to sit there and figure out exactly which one you need.
[10:50] <jasoncohen> i have a backup. what file is the configuration stored in?
[10:50] <feross> hello.. should I even try running ubuntu on a PII 400mhz laptop? currently I'm running an i686 distro which runs ok but I'm hearing all the hupla of ubuntu so I thought I should give it a  shot..
[10:50] <brianp> I love how the community is so determined to better their software.
[10:50] <marc__> trebuchet, Sorry was talking to Belutz
[10:50] <trebuchet> grr... that'd be nice if ati cards weren't so crappily supported
[10:50] <marc__> well was meant to be
[10:50] <brianp> ok
[10:50] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, So I literally type apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-powerpc `uname -r`
[10:50] <brianp> ta
[10:50] <Belutz> Fikrann: ok, thx
[10:50] <marc__> my eyes are not working
[10:50] <brianp> i'll go dl
[10:50] <Hieronymus> feross: probably not with Gnome
[10:50] <marc__> husher, It doesnt look good :(
[10:51] <Fikrann> feross, yes, it should work, and you should be able to use basic Gnome apps, provided you tweak basic setup a bit.
[10:51] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: oh, you're on a mac?
[10:51] <whiprush> hmmmm.
[10:51] <trebuchet> i need a new video card for battlefield 2 anyways
[10:51] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Yes
[10:51] <feross> Hieronymus: openbox? that's not too bad.
[10:51] <marc__> husher, found a reference to it in the gnome devel archives, says feature is not in :(
[10:51] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Sorry I didn't mention that?
[10:51] <Hieronymus> feross: haven't tried it
[10:51] <Belutz> trebuchet: we can play battlefield 2 on ubuntu????
[10:51] <Fikrann> Mmm... Openbox
[10:52] <trebuchet> can anybody recommend a card they've used that worked well on battlefield 2 and linux and is under $200?
[10:52] <dmitrij> topic
[10:52] <whiprush> no idea how that madwifi would work on ppc, but the command would be sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[10:52] <brianp> Ta Kenny
[10:52] <dmitrij> whops my bad
[10:52] <jcoxon> HaroldJohnson, i'm coming back to ubuntu after a brief spell on tiger, so if you are around once i'm installed i shall definitly help you
[10:52] <marc__> Belutz, Using cadega you can  www.transgaming.com
[10:52] <HaroldJohnson> jcoxon, Radical, I could use it
[10:52] <jcoxon> HaroldJohnson, am downloading at this point - don't wait for me
[10:52] <marc__> jcoxon, how was the tiger?
[10:52] <husher> marc__, i just read something about the gnome devs refusing to add this as it breaks their Human Interface Guidelines
[10:52] <jcoxon> marc__, love it
[10:52] <marc__> husher, Those gnome boys :(
[10:53] <Belutz> marc__: ic ic... i thought i could never play game if i install linux :p
[10:53] <jcoxon> marc__, but really miss the community of ubuntu and also breaking things :)
[10:53] <Belutz> i mean, windows games...
[10:53] <Belutz> :D
[10:53] <trebuchet> that really pissed me off that after chucking $50 at battlefield 2 i can't even play it since it crashes after i hear "welcome to battlefield" or somesuch
[10:53] <Fikrann> husher, marc__ what feature?
[10:53] <marc__> jcoxon, I miss OS X menu behaviour, and our friends, the gnome devs, refuse to add this behaviour to gnome :(
[10:53] <jcoxon> HaroldJohnson, meanwhile - i wait for downloading i feel a bit of sim city classic online hehe see you soon i hope
[10:53] <marc__> Fikrann, http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7715/1354820md.jpg
[10:53] <jcoxon> marc__, oh i think i'll dual boot
[10:54] <marc__> trebuchet, Wanna sell it?
[10:54] <trebuchet> sell battlefield?
[10:54] <jcoxon> okay that was short lived damn need for windows...
[10:54] <marc__> trebuchet, why not :P
[10:54] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, So for example, I would enter "apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-powerpc 2.6.10-5-powerpc"?
[10:54] <trebuchet> because i wanna play it, just need a card that supports it
[10:55] <marc__> trebuchet, what card you got?
[10:55] <Fikrann> marc__, ahhh .. I never really tried it. Fitts laws say it's good, though..
[10:55] <trebuchet> i'd like to get a new nvidia card anyways
[10:55] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: no, don't substitute anything
[10:55] <whiprush> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[10:55] <trebuchet> atlantis radeon 9200se 128mb agp
[10:55] <whiprush> just like that
[10:55] <whiprush> exactly
[10:55] <trebuchet> i heard switching to 4x agp would fix it... didn't
[10:55] <marc__> Nvidia, the way its meant to be played (in linux)
[10:55] <othernoob> what's wrong with ati marc__
[10:56] <trebuchet> ati's faster on the top of the line, but nvidia's better supported
[10:56] <Fikrann> Nvidia ... The way it burns!
[10:56] <marc__> Linux drivers have been pretty awful
[10:56] <acid2_> is there any type of framebuffer bootloader for ubuntu?
[10:56] <kenny> ati arnt supporting linux as much as they should with there drivers
[10:56] <marc__> husher, Lets lobby the gnome devs
[10:57] <trebuchet> s/lobby/lob shit at
[10:57] <trebuchet> :-D
[10:57] <Fikrann> Hey, but ati drivers worked well for me.
[10:57] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, I received this message:  apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[10:57] <kenny> lol
[10:57] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: right
[10:57] <whiprush> that's what you want to type in
[10:57] <pd> <3 ubuntu
[10:57] <jcoxon> Okay guys see you in a sec from Ubuntu - goodbye Tiger :)
[10:58] <marc__> Dont you just love it, when you get the taste of chicken in your mouth, when you havent eaten it for days?
[10:58] <kenny> Fikrann im only going on what people have said and all the complaints i have seen.  Im a Nvidia owner
[10:58] <p8nt> i accidently deleted my bottom tool bar, and i made another one, but now when i minimize something it doesnt show up there, how can i get it back? ... sorry for the noob question
[10:58] <pd> ubuntu finally runs on my laptop straight out of the box
[10:58] <Belutz> Fikrann: can i access windows shared folder on linux? have to use samba?
[10:58] <pd> :D
[10:58] <marc__> p8nt, using gnome right?
[10:58] <p8nt> yea
[10:58] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, I meant:   bash: linux-restricted-modules: command not found
[10:58] <HaroldJohnson> root@ubuntu:~ # linux-restricted-modules-powerpc
[10:58] <Belutz> pd: what laptop do u use?
[10:58] <pd> smb://Server/Folder
[10:58] <marc__> right click on the panel, click "add to panel"
[10:58] <pd> Belutz, Dell Inspiron 8500
[10:58] <husher> marc__, good luck with all that
[10:59] <othernoob> has anyone ever played dune2000?
[10:59] <p8nt> yea...
[10:59] <Fikrann> marc__, I would support you, but if it'd be useable with focus-follows-mouse.
[10:59] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: don't type in powerpc
[10:59] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Yikes, I keep messing that up, hold on
[10:59] <husher> marc__, i really like the idea
[10:59] <marc__> p8nt, then choose Window Selector
[10:59] <whiprush> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`        <---- type that exactly
[10:59] <Fikrann> Belutz, install smb4k
[10:59] <p8nt> thanks
[10:59] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush,  linux-restricted-modules-powerpc is already the newest version.
[10:59] <HaroldJohnson> E: Couldn't find package uname -r
[10:59] <marc__> Fikrann, It works ok in KDE, KDE supports it out of the box
[10:59] <Belutz> Fikrann: it's already included in the cd right?
[10:59] <marc__> husher, Me too :(
[10:59] <Fikrann> HaroldJohnson, just cut'n'paste
[10:59] <marc__> p8nt, nps
[11:00] <Fikrann> Belutz, I'm not sure, probably not.
[11:00] <Belutz> Fikrann: ok, i'll search for it
[11:00] <marc__> Ok guys, who wants to help me with a game?
[11:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> whats a good ftp server from synaptic to use with a network?
[11:00] <marc__> Its an old game, and i cant remember name
[11:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and is easy
[11:00] <mcdenyer> hey can somone help me install giFT?
[11:00] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, E: Couldn't find package linux-restricted-modules
[11:00] <p8nt> marc_ , its an icon though it doesnt show the windows like it used to.
[11:00] <marc__> Who wants to help me work it out from description?
[11:01] <Fikrann> HaroldJohnson, you are omitting backticks: ``
[11:01] <Belutz> i'm creating a list of needs before migrating to linux
[11:01] <whiprush> HaroldJohnson: I think you'll need to ask someone on a mac.
[11:01] <whiprush> I don't even know if l-r-m exists for ppc come to think of it.
[11:01] <trebuchet> i haven't been keeping up with the latest tech in quite a while now... would it make sense to buy a new agp card or get a new system with pcie?
[11:01] <Fikrann> Belutz, also you might want to get k3b, the >best< cd burning program in linux.
[11:01] <marc> p8nt, sorry
[11:02] <Belutz> anybody know any good PHP IDE for linux?
[11:02] <marc> p8nt its window list not selector
[11:02] <Belutz> Fikrann: does it also support DVD burning?
[11:02] <husher> Belutz: zend isn't bad
[11:02] <Fikrann> Belutz, bluefish
[11:02] <Fikrann> Belutz, yes, it does.
[11:02] <freddy> hehe now this looks like a windows box
[11:02] <p8nt> k
[11:02] <marc> p8nt, That working ok?
[11:02] <freddy> now i need the little windows flag to put instead of the ubuntu logo
[11:02] <p8nt> yea
[11:02] <husher> freddy: why on earth would you want such a thing?
[11:03] <freddy> husher, i will laugh so hard at my mom
[11:03] <freddy> so hard
[11:03] <freddy> its gonna be awesome
[11:03] <Belutz> :D
[11:03] <husher> freddy, point taken
[11:03] <freddy> if youd know her you would understand why im doing this
[11:03] <freddy> she is a windows lover
[11:03] <freddy> hehe
[11:03] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, I finally understand: so here's the message: Building dependency tree... Done
[11:03] <Belutz> is there anything you guys did not know about? :p
[11:03] <HaroldJohnson> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-powerpc is already the newest version.
[11:03] <HaroldJohnson> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:04] <whiprush> yay!
[11:04] <whiprush> at least we got that figured out
[11:04] <nalioth> i love aliases (especially when i forget what alias does what)
[11:04] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Yes, I didn't realize the backticks.
[11:04] <ompaul> so far in the last 24 hours I have worked 14hours slept for 5 and been on irc for 2.5, so where was I the rest of the time?
[11:04] <ompaul> heh
[11:04] <HaroldJohnson> Fikrann, Thanks for help on the backticks.
[11:04] <whiprush> off to the bar, good luck HaroldJohnson
[11:04] <mcdenyer> can somone help me install gift the file sharing thing?
[11:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> whats a good ftp server program for a network thats easy to use?
[11:04] <mcdenyer> ?
[11:04] <nalioth> Belutz: we are a hive-mind here, collectivel we know all
[11:04] <HaroldJohnson> whiprush, Thanks.
[11:04] <Belutz> nalioth: :D
[11:05] <marc> freddy, Are you using KDE?
[11:05] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: are you repeating often?
[11:05] <HaroldJohnson> Fikrann, So now that I know that, what I can I do next?
[11:05] <kenny> see you all later
[11:05] <kenny> bye guys, thanks for the help
[11:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth depending on your screen resoulution maybe
[11:05] <Belutz> oh yes... do i need to install anti-virus on linux?
[11:05] <Fikrann> HaroldJohnson, download madwifi cvs snapshot, I guess.
[11:05] <marc> freddy, you there?
[11:05] <marc> Bah
[11:05] <HaroldJohnson> Fikrann, I knew you were going to say that!
[11:05] <ompaul> Belutz, in theory yes, in practice no
[11:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Belutz not unless you wanna catch microsoft viruses
[11:05] <Fikrann> Belutz, No, you don't need antivirus to protect your system.
[11:05] <marc> He could have used this kde theme,   BEWARE evil KDE THEME -->  http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/1499-1.jpg
[11:06] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: well that's a little too often
[11:06] <HaroldJohnson> Fikrann, I followed some instructions for compiling madwifi, but it failed miserably.
[11:06] <bubonik> does someone know where I could download the necessary files to develop something with the SDL library on ubuntu ?
[11:06] <nalioth> Belutz: there are no known viruses
[11:06] <HaroldJohnson> Fikrann, Guess I try it again.  Any pointers?
[11:06] <ompaul> Belutz, no windows virus can run on Linux, not even under wine
[11:06] <nalioth> Belutz: however if you want to protect your windows-using-brethren, you may
[11:06] <Luakagon> I cannot get my hardware modem to work and I am lost.
[11:06] <eliUbuntu> anyone too busy to answer a question?
[11:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth sorry i have a resolution of 1024x768 so shit scrolls outta site pritty fast for me
[11:06] <Fikrann> marc, blargh, so sugary.
[11:06] <nalioth> bubonik: use synaptic and look for sdl with -dev on the end
[11:07] <vagamente> hi all.... any gtk-gnutella user?
[11:07] <Belutz> so if i POP some email, and the email is infected, my system won't be infected?
[11:07] <marc> Fikrann, :)
[11:07] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: use your watch, not your resolution
[11:07] <nalioth> Belutz: nope
[11:07] <Fikrann> HaroldJohnson, yes .. pm me.
[11:07] <rob_lt> eliUbuntu, dont' ask to ask, just ask
[11:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth soory man don't get yer pantys up in a bunch ^_^
[11:07] <Belutz> great...
[11:07] <ompaul> Belutz, not your linux system
[11:07] <Hoxzer> http://koti.mbnet.fi/hoxzer/Network.jpg <-is it possible to setup every PC to find each other in network like this?
[11:07] <Belutz> :)
[11:07] <Luakagon> its for my great grandmother and I PROMISED her I'd get her fucking computer to work, but it had problems so I installed ubuntu
[11:07] <eliUbuntu> has anyone had this problem with apt-get dist-upgrade? ->Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libc/libcairo/libcairo1_0.3.0-1_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[11:07] <eliUbuntu> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[11:08] <marc> Ok anyone help me remember a game that I played a long time ago that came with redhat 5?
[11:08] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: just tryin to keep the repeating to at least every 5 minutes or so
[11:08] <ompaul> Belutz, however if you forward it to someone - you could end up with a bit of an arguement
[11:08] <bubonik> nalioth> there is only one problem : I don't have Internet on the computer on which ubuntu is installed
[11:08] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: the repos are wonky, use archive.ubuntu, instead of us.archive.ubuntu in your sources.list
[11:08] <rob_lt> Hoxzer, take a look at an app called cheops, and another called AutoScan
[11:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth k man diden't mean to spam or repeat my self or annoy anyone
[11:08] <HappyFool> eliUbuntu: change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:08] <nalioth> ompaul: that is why i mentioned windows-using-brethren
[11:08] <eliUbuntu> will do. one moment. thanks
[11:08] <Belutz> ompaul: ic... so is there any packages that can scan outgoing emails?
[11:09] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: i know, but at least 5 minutes please
[11:09] <nalioth> Belutz: for linux we only have a on-demand antivirus
[11:09] <nalioth> Belutz: its called clamav
[11:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth ok form now on i will waite 5 or more minutes before i post the same ?
[11:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> just don't want to lose the help of all the great people in here
[11:09] <eliUbuntu> change all the us. in the repository file?
[11:10] <Luakagon> please my great aunt has been very kind to me :(
[11:10] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: yes, please
[11:10] <ompaul> nalioth, which is why I stood on your shoulders and pointed a little further :) [note I am 19 stone] 
[11:10] <marc> Belutz, How about this?  http://www.centralcommand.com/linux_server.html
[11:10] <nalioth> ompaul: sorry i don't know celtic metrics
[11:10] <ompaul> Luakagon, what is the issue with the box?
[11:11] <ompaul> nalioth, ~very heavy
[11:11] <marc> He ways about as much as an average cow
[11:11] <marc> weighs
[11:11] <marc> omg late :(
[11:11] <Luakagon> ompaul, the modem is not working, its internal and I dont know what type it is
[11:11] <ompaul> nalioth, 120kg
[11:11] <mcdenyer> does anyone use giftoxic?
[11:12] <marc> Anyone ever use red hat 5?
[11:12] <Hoxzer> damn good
[11:12] <Stan2> ompaul, could you give me that code for the internet to work once more?
[11:12] <nalioth> ompaul: around the same as a young cow, then? :)
[11:12] <HappyFool> Luakagon: try here: http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/
[11:12] <mpmc> how do I install rar?
[11:12] <nalioth> marc: ewww why would we do that?
[11:12] <^thehatsrule^> mpmc: use apt-get install unrar ?
[11:12] <ompaul> nalioth, don't know but I'll take your word for it
[11:12] <HappyFool> Luakagon: look for the 'scanModem' utility -- it should tell you what modem you have, and what driver you need
[11:12] <nalioth> mpmc: use synaptic and look for unrar-nonfree
[11:12] <marc> There was a game that came with RH5 that i want to get
[11:12] <marc> I cant remember the name
[11:12] <slipaway172> mpmc, go to www.ubuntuguide.org and look for a rar package
[11:12] <eliUbuntu> what happend to the us.archives?
[11:12] <marc> but it was awesome
[11:13] <nalioth> ompaul: i'm just pokin fun at ya
[11:13] <eliUbuntu> server down or something?
[11:13] <HappyFool> marc: describe it?
[11:13] <ompaul> Stan2, write it down its a good one 'sudo dhclient'
[11:13] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: its having problems the last couple days
[11:13] <marc> Was like a 2d game, on 2 levels, Multiplayer you would walk around and shoot people
[11:13] <marc> Could be a ninja etc
[11:13] <marc> Could play it with bots
[11:13] <marc> had all different weapons
[11:13] <eliUbuntu> bummer
[11:13] <ompaul> nalioth, yeap, I got that, but I have a dry sense of humour (note the o) so dry that the saraha is wet
[11:13] <Stan2> ompaul thanks
[11:13] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: just edit off the us. part of the URL, and you'll be in business
[11:14] <marc> You viewed it side on, it had a top floor and bottom floor, with stairs between that spanned many screens width
[11:14] <derf> I'm getting this error on a system I recently installed ubuntu 5.04 on with two packages, zip and dpkg-dev:  Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/z/zip/zip_2.30-8_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[11:14] <nalioth> ompaul: if you're implying that you are uk-centric, i got that with the 19stone remark
[11:14] <HappyFool> marc: sorry, not ringing any bells
[11:14] <nalioth> derf: the repos are wonky today
[11:14] <mpmc> mpmc@mpmc:~$ apt-get install unrar
[11:14] <mpmc> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[11:14] <mpmc> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[11:14] <mpmc> ????
[11:14] <nalioth> mpmc: you need to be using sudo
[11:14] <derf> nalioth: ah, ok, so it's not just me
[11:14] <bimberi> mpmc: close synaptic and try again
[11:14] <mpmc> oh yes
[11:14] <ivoks> mpmc: well, you aren't root, aren't you? :)
[11:14] <nalioths_dog> mpmc: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:14] <HappyFool> marc: if you're bored, you could try nethack. or supertux
[11:15] <subjectdenied> i have a problem with login into gnome
[11:15] <HappyFool> marc: or beneath-a-steel-sky (old-style adventure game)
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> ok new error with the corrected repository ->dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file `/etc/mozilla-firefox/profile/extensions': Directory not empty
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file `/etc/mozilla-firefox/profile/chrome': Directory not empty
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file `/etc/mozilla-firefox/profile': Directory not empty
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file `/etc/mozilla-firefox/pref': Directory not empty
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file `/etc/mozilla-firefox': Directory not empty
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> dpkg: warning - unable to delete old file `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions': Directory not empty
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> Selecting previously deselected package firefox.
[11:15] <subjectdenied> the gnome session doesn't start, but instead gives me a dialogbox showing "ihre" (german, should mean "your" in english) an only gives me a terminal
[11:15] <nalioth> derf: you can edit off the us. part of the URL and that should fix you up
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> Unpacking firefox (from .../firefox_1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5_i386.deb) ...
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:15] <eliUbuntu>  /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox-gnome-support_1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5_i386.deb
[11:15] <subjectdenied> from there i'm able to start gnome by typing "gnome-session" into the terminal
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:15] <LinuxJones> eliUbuntu, please don't paste here
[11:15] <marc> HappyFool, I want to play a mindless game, where i can shoot people :(
[11:15] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: dont do that
[11:15] <ompaul> Luakagon, you need to find that out, so I suggest you poke around the www.linmodems.org
[11:15] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: use #flood
[11:15] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: or a pastebin
[11:15] <HappyFool> marc: supertux is moderately mindless ;)
[11:15] <eliUbuntu> oops sorry :(
[11:16] <mpmc> Package rar is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:16] <mpmc> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[11:16] <mpmc> is only available from another source
[11:16] <mpmc> E: Package rar has no installation candidate
[11:16] <ivoks> subjectdenied: choose gnome on session list
[11:16] <nalioth> marc: there are lots of mindless games available
[11:16] <marc> HappyFool, Anything like smashtv or the like?
[11:16] <mpmc> damm
[11:16] <subjectdenied> i do
[11:16] <HappyFool> marc: browse the 'games and amusement' (also universe/multiverse versions) -- lots of games
[11:16] <nalioth> mpmc: please dont paste in here
[11:16] <subjectdenied> but it doesn't start
[11:16] <mpmc> ok, sorry
[11:16] <ompaul> nalioth, perhaps my use of English is close to the use of that language by the English themselves, however as you know (I think) I am anything but
[11:16] <HappyFool> marc: browse in synaptic, i mean
[11:16] <ivoks> subjectdenied: and don't use breezy
[11:16] <marc> HappyFool, Ill go take a look
[11:16] <subjectdenied> yes
[11:16] <nalioth> mpmc: the pkg you're looking for is called "unrar-nonfree"
[11:16] <HappyFool> marc: i don't know smashtv, sorry
[11:16] <Belutz> is there anyone in here who lives in indonesia?
[11:16] <ompaul> nalioth, that :)
[11:17] <nalioth> ompaul: yes i assumed something like that
[11:17] <subjectdenied> but it's not a problem by breezy i thank
[11:17] <CzarAlex> I just installed proftpd. I saw in the console that a new user (called ftp) was created. What is the password for that new user and how do I create other users?
[11:17] <Luakagon> thanks ompaul and HappyFool
[11:17] <subjectdenied> i removed the X directories
[11:17] <subjectdenied> and reinstalled the whole x-system
[11:17] <subjectdenied> for getting XKB working
[11:17] <mcdenyer> hey i just installed armagetron but i cant find it now
[11:17] <nalioth> mpmc: do you have universe and multiverse repos enabled?
[11:17] <ivoks> subjectdenied: breezy's X are broken and will be for some time
[11:17] <HappyFool> CzarAlex: System -> Administration -> Users and Groups
[11:18] <subjectdenied> so this is a known problem?
[11:18] <CzarAlex> HappyFool, thank you.
[11:18] <ivoks> subjectdenied: no
[11:18] <ivoks> afaik
[11:18] <_templar_> hi
[11:18] <ivoks> subjectdenied: you created that problem :)
[11:18] <mpmc> well it's not there
[11:18] <subjectdenied> any solutions?
[11:18] <nalioths_dog> mpmc: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:18] <ompaul> Luakagon, np
[11:18] <_templar_> i'm searching for the name of the devel package of X11, does somebody can help me plz ?
[11:18] <nalioths_dog> mpmc: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:19] <marc> HappyFool, I have found airstrike
[11:19] <LinuxJones> subjectdenied, you shouldn't be running Breezy
[11:19] <subjectdenied> Xsession.error tells me that it couldn't start /usr/bin/gnomesession
[11:19] <subjectdenied> yes, whatever
[11:19] <subjectdenied> but i think it's not a problem created by breezy
[11:19] <nalioth> marc: there is a really cool mindless run jump and kill game that uses the sdl libs
[11:20] <marc> nalioth, Know the name by chance?
[11:20] <subjectdenied> i don't think that it's very helpful telling me that i shouldn't run breezy 3 times a minute, because it's not a breezy problem
[11:21] <subjectdenied> it was generated by me
[11:21] <_templar_> i'm searching for the name of the devel package of X11, does somebody can help me plz ? nobody :( ?
[11:21] <nalioth> marc: you need 'abuse'
[11:21] <nalioth> marc: it is mindless and enthralling
[11:21] <marc> nalioth, cool, Is xpilot still popular?
[11:21] <HappyFool> _templar_: stand by
[11:22] <_templar_> ok :)
[11:22] <nalioth> subjectdenied: but we're not knowledgable about breezy, so are less likely to be able to help you 'ungenerate' it
[11:22] <stan3> ompaul Im talking from my linux now :-)
[11:22] <nalioth> marc: do YOU like xpilot?
[11:22] <HappyFool> _templar_: i think it's x-window-system-dev
[11:22] <marc> yes :)
[11:22] <nalioth> marc: then popularity doesnt matter
[11:22] <subjectdenied> it's not breezy, it's some kind of problem with authentication i think
[11:22] <Belutz> is there any software that can synchronize data from handphone in linux? for siemens handphone?
[11:23] <ompaul> stan3, welcome to 'free computing' where freedom matters
[11:23] <marc> well, multiplayer games tend to be a little tedious when played alone :P
[11:23] <_templar_> i have it HappyFool thx :)
[11:23] <subjectdenied> i get a lot of errors when starting gnome-session in the terminal about ICE-authentification
[11:24] <nalioth> subjectdenied: have you asked about the problem specifically?
[11:24] <LinuxJones> subjectdenied, delete the file from a console using sudo and re-login
[11:24] <subjectdenied> which file?
[11:24] <nalioth> subjectdenied: log into the failsafe terminal and remove .ICEauthority
[11:24] <nalioth> subjectdenied: then you should be able to log in w/o a problem
[11:25] <subjectdenied> thanks i'll try this
[11:25] <nalioth> subjectdenied: you don't need to use sudo, the .ICEauthority belongs to you
[11:25] <LinuxJones> nalioth, not if he can't log in it isn't
[11:25] <subjectdenied> how can this happen?
[11:26] <nalioth> LinuxJones: the file has just been switched to read-only, not had its ownership changed
[11:26] <subjectdenied> wrong permissions?
[11:26] <nalioth> subjectdenied: nautilus has been said to occasionally change that file to read-only
[11:26] <nalioth> subjectdenied: you can safely delete it
[11:26] <LinuxJones> nalioth, well that shouldn't really happen
[11:27] <nalioth> LinuxJones: correct, but it does (on x86 and PPC in my experience)
[11:27] <subjectdenied> ah thanks
[11:27] <ompaul> nalioth, LinuxJones I have found that file to owned by root:root in the not too distant past
[11:27] <LinuxJones> ompaul, yeah the kde cdburner used to do that, change to root ownership
[11:28] <Speedy2> ivoks: Ok, back here
[11:28] <LinuxJones> ompaul, k3b or whatever it is
[11:28] <subjectdenied> why is nautilus able to change the permissions to root?
[11:28] <nalioth> ompaul: in my experience (on my PPCs and a few local friends x86s) the file is owned by the user, just switched ro
[11:28] <ivoks> Speedy2: did you ever run netowrk-admin?
[11:28] <ivoks> subjectdenied: cause you did sudo nautilus
[11:28] <ompaul> LinuxJones, so cdrecord -pad dev=/dev/hdd random.iso sorted it
[11:28] <nalioth> ompaul: nautilus should not be run as root, anyway
[11:28] <subjectdenied> ah ok
[11:29] <Speedy2> ivoks: No, I don't recall running network-admin
[11:29] <nalioth> subjectdenied: as spoken about, you shouldnt open x-things as root
[11:29] <ivoks> Speedy2: System -> Administration -> Networking
[11:29] <Speedy2> ivoks:  I did a fresh install, then re-compiled kernel
[11:29] <Speedy2> ivoks:  Theoretically I'm using Kubuntu
[11:29] <LinuxJones> ompaul, no just removing the ~/.ICEauthoriey file as root then re-logging back in seemed to work ok for everyone that I had the problem.
[11:29] <ivoks> Speedy2: do you have more than one network interface?
[11:29] <Speedy2> ivoks: Err, not theoretically
[11:29] <Speedy2> ivoks: No
[11:29] <ompaul> nalioth, I tend not to run nautilus if I can help it, a terminal with sudo -i/s or wherever
[11:29] <ompaul> LinuxJones, that is what I did :)
[11:29] <ivoks> Speedy2: firewire?
[11:30] <nalioth> ompaul: i do 90% of my production from a terminal
[11:30] <Speedy2> ivoks: No, nothing like that.
[11:30] <LinuxJones> ompaul, not pretty but it works :)
[11:30] <ompaul> LinuxJones, focus on results
[11:30] <ivoks> Speedy2: check /etc/network/interfaces
[11:30] <tiredbones> Does anyone know if there is a seb package for lstp (linux terminal server prodject)?
[11:30] <Speedy2> ivoks:  The NIC is supported by the Intel EEPro/100 driver which I compiled into the kernel
[11:30] <LinuxJones> ompaul, a vastly overlooked ideal :D
[11:30] <ivoks> Speedy2: and tell me all the auto lines
[11:30] <ompaul> LinuxJones, no sales = no food
[11:31] <ompaul> LinuxJones, makes you think a little
[11:31] <HappyFool> tiredbones: i see a ltsp-utils package
[11:31] <Speedy2> ivoks:  I'm not in Linux at the moment, I had to reboot.  Can you give me a few minutes?
[11:31] <HappyFool> tiredbones: not sure if that's what you want
[11:31] <ivoks> Speedy2: no
[11:31] <ivoks> Speedy2: i'm off to bed
[11:31] <Speedy2> ivoks:  Ok, thanks for your help, I will talk to you later
[11:32] <ivoks> Speedy2: anyway, this isn't a bug or something
[11:32] <ivoks> Speedy2: you changed /etc/network/interfaces somehow
[11:32] <ivoks> Speedy2: just add auto eth0 to it
[11:32] <chrissturm> how do i manage printer queues?
[11:33] <Speedy2> ivoks:  That's odd, because if I use the Ubuntu kernel (with it's modules), it works.  If I use my kernel it does not work.  I didn't compile in PCI Hotplug into the kernel.
[11:33] <ivoks> chrissturm: lpq / lprm / etc...
[11:33] <tiredbones> HappyFool, I'll check it out. thanks
[11:33] <Aerebus> Can someone teach me how to install/update my nvidia driver? just started using linux the other night so i have no clue how things work in ubuntu, i already have downloaded NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7667-pkg1.run what do i do with it?
[11:33] <ivoks> Speedy2: run lspci on ubuntu kernel
[11:33] <ivoks> Speedy2: and on yours
[11:33] <chrissturm> ivoks, is there also a http frontend?
[11:33] <QMario> How do I add a user to webmin?
[11:33] <HappyFool> Aerebus: you shouldn't need that file
[11:33] <ivoks> Speedy2: sorry... not lspci
[11:33] <Speedy2> ivoks: Both have support for the EEPro
[11:33] <ivoks> Speedy2: ifconfig
[11:33] <nalioth> Aerebus: do you need the nvidia driver for gaming or something?
[11:34] <HappyFool> Aerebus: have you looked at this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[11:34] <ivoks> chrissturm: localhost:631
[11:34] <Aerebus> whats that red text for?
[11:34] <ivoks> good night everybody
[11:34] <HappyFool> Aerebus: x-chat prints lines in red if they contain your nick
[11:34] <mpmc> :).. I cant believe how many features this OS has and only one CD :)
[11:34] <HappyFool> to get your attention ;)
[11:34] <Speedy2> ivoks: Thanks for your help
[11:34] <nalioth> Aerebus: because someone is /notice Aerebus msg'ing you
[11:35] <Aerebus> o how do i do that to others?
[11:35] <nalioth> Aerebus: i just showed you
[11:35] <ompaul> Aerebus, anyone typing your name will do that, it is function of the program you ar using - if they are using a simular prog then it happens for them
[11:35] <HappyFool> mpmc: and all the stuff you've probably downloaded via apt ;)
[11:35] <QMario> Does anyone know how I can add root to webmin?
[11:36] <mpmc> yeah but fedora is like 4 cd's a time!..
[11:36] <Aerebus> i gott type out /notice nicname everytime? lol
[11:36] <Excedrin> is there a short history of ubuntu somewhere? who created it initially?
[11:36] <nalioth> Excedrin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:36] <Aerebus> bah ok cool little trick thankyou for teaching me something new ;p
[11:36] <HappyFool> mpmc: yeah, but fedora comes with kde and gnome (and lots of other stuff) all on the cd's
[11:37] <mpmc> I wasted 8 cds on 2 versions of fedora
[11:37] <mpmc> :/
[11:37] <Aerebus> Happyfool nah i havent seen that page before
[11:37] <Excedrin> nalioth: I didn't see it there, I guess Mark Shuttleworth created it?
[11:37] <mpmc> I'm very happy with ubuntu :)
[11:37] <HappyFool> Aerebus: it will tell you how to install and enable the nvidia drivers
[11:37] <mpmc> anyone and here know dvdmandt?
[11:37] <chrissturm> what can be the reason when printing from firefox doesnt work? i can print some pages, and then suddenly it doenst work anymore. the jobst dont arrive in the queue it seems
[11:37] <remyforbes777>        do you work nalioth, i seen you on here this morning before I left for work LOL
[11:38] <ompaul> mpmc, no you learnt some things from them, maybe not all positive stuff, but learnt anyway :)
[11:38] <nalioth> Excedrin: there should be a section on the hx of ubuntu
[11:38] <Excedrin> ok thanks
[11:38] <Aerebus> nalioth yes i need to update my drive cause it suxors right now my graphics are not refreshing fast enough and i'm seeing tracers etc trust me its nasty
[11:38] <nalioth> Excedrin: but yes, mr shuttlesworth did
[11:38] <Aragorn_Guardian> can i safely use swat for samba admin? is a good practice?
[11:38] <nalioth> Aerebus: you can use the VESA driver and probably get better performance
[11:38] <Aragorn_Guardian> or manual edit is saffer?
[11:38] <Aragorn_Guardian> safest
[11:38] <mpmc> lol :)
[11:39] <Aerebus> i wana use the nvidia driver if possible
[11:39] <Aragorn_Guardian> mpmc: ubuntu rules...
[11:39] <Aerebus> i downloaded it from nvidia.com for linux
[11:39] <jcoxon> i reckon that was a pretty quick turn around
[11:39] <HappyFool> Aerebus: read the wiki page
[11:39] <nalioth> Aerebus: if it comes to pass, that the nvidia driver is not cooperating, VESA will work
[11:39] <HappyFool> Aerebus: it will tell you how to install the nvidia driver
[11:39] <Aragorn_Guardian> i recomended for a girl from my work, and she has a bluetoth keyboard and mouse...worked perfectly...
[11:39] <tiredbones> I did some checking on ltsp-util and find that its been orphaned. Does anyone know if Robert Millan is ging include in in ubuntu?
[11:40] <Aragorn_Guardian> nalioth: hi...swat is a safe way to configure samba?
[11:40] <QMario> Does anyone here know how to use webmin?
[11:40] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: i have no windows boxen, so have no clue
[11:40] <nalioth> QMario: have you been to the wiki or asked uncle google?
[11:40] <Aragorn_Guardian> nalioth: thanks...
[11:41] <Aragorn_Guardian> nalioth: nice place there...no win32 at all. no viruses...eehehehe
[11:41] <Aerebus> Happyfool that page isnt loading
[11:41] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: just PPC-ubuntu goodness
[11:41] <QMario> Who is uncle google?
[11:41] <Aragorn_Guardian> eheheh...ppc? very good
[11:41] <nalioth> QMario: www.google.com
[11:42] <Aragorn_Guardian> g4?
[11:42] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: one G4 and one G3
[11:42] <Aragorn_Guardian> i worked in a g3 with suse...
[11:42] <Aragorn_Guardian> nice
[11:42] <HappyFool> Aerebus: stand by
[11:42] <nalioth> Aragorn_Guardian: gonna be addin a G5 in a couple of days
[11:42] <QMario> Nalioth, I was joking you know.
[11:42] <Aragorn_Guardian> eheheh...more power
[11:42] <jcoxon> HaroldJohnson, wondering if you are still there, any luck?
[11:42] <ompaul> Aragorn_Guardian, for the last 10 years and then a little I have not had a windows box myself
[11:42] <HappyFool> Aerebus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:42] <Aragorn_Guardian> ompaul: real good life...
[11:42] <HappyFool> Aerebus: maybe i got it wrong earlier
[11:43] <nalioth> QMario: sorry, but some folks in here i wonder how they booted the ubuntu livecd
[11:43] <Aragorn_Guardian> i am trying...but the friends around dont share this view...
[11:43] <ompaul> Aragorn_Guardian, it can be done, and when something does not fit I do not worry about it, I find an alternative or move on, it is never that important
[11:43] <Aragorn_Guardian> worst for them...
[11:44] <Aragorn_Guardian> i will try, after make the samba works fine, use qemu
[11:44] <Aragorn_Guardian> worked with linux isos
[11:44] <stan3> is it necessary to get anit-virus/spyware/adware appz on ubuntu?
[11:44] <Aragorn_Guardian> i pretend install a windows box, put in a iso, and bye bye windows...
[11:44] <Aragorn_Guardian> ehehehe
[11:44] <nalioth> stan3: only if you want to scan b4 sending things to your windows using brethren
[11:44] <ompaul> Aragorn_Guardian, I like qemu, but you need a lot of ram
[11:44] <Aragorn_Guardian> really
[11:44] <nalioth> stan3: no known viruses on linux
[11:44] <Lufusol> i hate to be a noob, but i just installed 5.04 from cd and after the cd part finished and it rebooted, grub loaded to a command line prompt.. and I have no idea what to do with this.
[11:44] <Aragorn_Guardian> qemu-fast dont worked in early tests
[11:44] <stan3> nalioth, k thanks... how bout firewall?
[11:45] <Aragorn_Guardian> gonna try...
[11:45] <Fikrann> stan3, unless you want to remove viruses/spyware/adware from windoze partitions, no.
[11:45] <Aragorn_Guardian> but works
[11:45] <nalioth> stan3: by default, no daemons listen at external ports
[11:45] <ompaul> Aragorn_Guardian, well enjoy it anyway
[11:45] <Aragorn_Guardian> i booted a cluster iso...ehehehe
[11:45] <Aragorn_Guardian> 8)
[11:45] <stan3> nalioth-- ok
[11:45] <Aragorn_Guardian> i have 1 gb here and was not enough
[11:45] <Fikrann> stan3, firewall is usefull anyway.
[11:46] <Lufusol> I'm scanning over the wiki here and don't see much info about dealing with a grub command prompt but i assumed it would just "work" as grub and lilo always have for me
[11:46] <Aragorn_Guardian> but the system became too stable...
[11:46] <nalioth> Lufusol: did you do a server install by chance?
[11:46] <Aragorn_Guardian> very stable
[11:46] <Lufusol> i don't believe so.
[11:46] <nalioth> stan3: if you're interested http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[11:47] <Lufusol> i remember that page of the install, and i said go ahead and do the normal install (not minimal/server)
[11:47] <nalioth> Lufusol: then login at the prompt, and then type 'startx'
[11:47] <Lufusol> grub hasn't loaded any OS yet
[11:48] <nalioth> Lufusol: ok, then (i'm lost at this point)
[11:48] <nalioth> Lufusol: does it do it each time?
[11:48] <Lufusol> i have no login prompt... i see "grub>"
[11:48] <Lufusol> and i can tab for a list of commands but aren't familiar with them or their arguments
[11:48] <ubuntu_> ty ^_^
[11:49] <nalioth> Lufusol: i'm not familiar with grub (i use yaboot on my macs) but here is the only thing i can offer you
[11:49] <Lufusol> yes, it's giving me a grub command line each time, i was expecting a graphical menu or atleast a display of my 3 OS's
[11:49] <Lufusol> and a number to enter
[11:49] <^thehatsrule^> Lufusol: for a menu, you need a menu.lst or similar on /boot/grub usually
[11:49] <nalioth> Lufusol: someone in here may be able to offer more exact help
[11:49] <nalioth> Lufusol: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[11:49] <Lufusol> thanks for your attention, anyway
[11:49] <^thehatsrule^> its just a text file
[11:49] <Lufusol> i'll check that out.
[11:49] <^thehatsrule^> place it in there
[11:50] <HappyFool> Aerebus: probably best to not use /notice ;)
[11:50] <HappyFool> Aerebus: restart X; you should see the nvidia logo
[11:50] <Aerebus> lol sorry
[11:50] <HappyFool> Aerebus: to restart X, logout, and press Ctl-Alt-Backspace
[11:50] <Aerebus> ctrl + alt +bkspc?
[11:50] <HappyFool> yip
[11:50] <HappyFool> you probably don't have to logout first, but whatever
[11:51] <nalioth> aerebus wastes no time
[11:52] <HappyFool> see the logo?
[11:52] <Aerebus> Happyfool, i didnt see any logo and its still the same as before
[11:53] <HappyFool> Aerebus: ok, can you start a terminakl (Applications -> System tools -> Terminal)
[11:53] <goldfish> do you have the nvidia drivers installed?
[11:53] <zaki_> hi everyone
[11:54] <HappyFool> Aerebus: and, in the terminal, type 'lsmod|grep ^nv'
[11:54] <nalioth> howdy, zaki_
[11:54] <HappyFool> Aerebus: what is the output of that command?
[11:54] <zaki_> what does it mean "backup/restore downloaded repositories cache"
[11:54] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson the desktop man
[11:54] <HaroldJohnson> nalioth: the one with the plan
[11:54] <flankk> okay.. i've got this box here with no sound, no gnome, and "lspci -v|grep audio" lists nothing.  I've searched the forums with nothing useful.  Anyone have a better link?
[11:55] <nalioth> flankk: you have X?
[11:55] <zaki_> what does it mean "backup/restore downloaded repositories cache"
[11:55] <flankk> nalioth, irrelevant. and that wasn't my question.
[11:55] <Aerebus> nvidia               3923388  0
[11:55] <HappyFool> flankk: tried this?: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsSoundCards
[11:56] <david_> anyone in here use yeahlaunch?
[11:56] <HappyFool> Aerebus: ok, and this: 'grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf' ?
[11:56] <zaki_> what does it mean "backup/restore downloaded repositories cache"
[11:56] <nalioth> flankk: no question is irrevelant to the one who asks it
[11:56] <Aerebus> Happyfool, nothing happens when i type grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:56] <flankk> nalioth, that's why i clued you in.
[11:57] <HappyFool> Aerebus: did you run 'sudo nvidia-glx-config enable' ?
[11:57] <flankk> HappyFool, thanks, I'll give that a shot.
[11:57] <Aerebus> no lol
[11:57] <CrimsonPhoenix> how do I set the PATH variable in /etc/environment? I set JAVA_HOME but when I try to set PATH gnome fails at start.
[11:57] <Aerebus> i dont think i did
[11:57] <HappyFool> *sigh*
[11:57] <Aerebus> can you join #flood?
[11:57] <HappyFool> Aerebus: it's on the wiki page
[11:57] <HappyFool> sure
[11:58] <HappyFool> Aerebus: run that command, then restart X again
[11:58] <zaki_> what does it mean "backup/restore downloaded repositories cache"
[11:58] <nalioth> CrimsonPhoenix: in your ~/.bashrc
[11:58] <HappyFool> Aerebus: have you edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[11:58] <Aerebus> no i didnt see anything about editing that file
[11:58] <youth> does anyone know how I can get a FTP client for ubuntu?
[11:59] <youth> I can't get through it in firefox.
[11:59] <HappyFool> Aerebus: hrm
[11:59] <CrimsonPhoenix> nalioth: alright, I'll try it.
[11:59] <Aerebus> Happyfool see #flood
[11:59] <parabolize> youth, sudo apt-get install gftp
[11:59] <zaki_> youth try this one "sudo apt-get install gftp"
[11:59] <pablo928> youth-try gftp
[11:59] <nalioth> youth: there are some in your applications menu
[11:59] <parabolize> lol
[11:59] <The_Vox> ncftp rules
[11:59] <HappyFool> Aerebus: i'm there
[11:59] <zaki_> what does it mean "backup/restore downloaded repositories cache"
[11:59] <youth> wow. all at once thank you lol i'll try