[12:05] <nikkia> the 'STFU' song
[12:05] <nikkia> its so easy to strategically play that when your boss is annoying you :)
[12:08] <twidget> It sounds much better now
[12:09] <nikkia> twidget: that's good
[12:09] <twidget> nikkia: thanks again
[12:09] <nikkia> np
[12:09] <twidget> you have a blog/site?
[12:09] <nikkia> nope
[12:09] <twidget> argh! It just skipped
[12:09] <twidget> and again
[12:09] <liz4rd> OH NO
[12:09] <liz4rd> :P
[12:10] <nikkia> twidget, setting the period_size or buffer_size values in that file to higher values might improve things
[12:10] <nikkia> they have to be powers of 2 though
[12:10] <twidget> k
[12:10] <nikkia> so i'd try either setting period_size to 4096, or buffer_size to 65536
[12:11] <twidget> what about both ;D
[12:11] <nikkia> well, that might work too
[12:11] <nikkia> the downside is that by increasing them, you'll introduce a little lag on the audio
[12:11] <nikkia> it doesn't matter for CD/MP3 playback, but might if you play games :)
[12:14] <nikkia> also, kscd might have a buffering option somewhere
[12:14] <nikkia> i didn't look too deeply, as i don't use it
[12:15] <nikkia> *shrug* i've been wearing a denim skirt all day :P
[12:16] <nikkia> this song is f'ed up
[12:16] <bonggnu> hi, i need to signature sources of apt-get i can not install Imposible obtener http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cdrtools/mkisofs_2.0+a38-1ubuntu4_i386.deb  La suma MD5 difiere
[12:17] <kalenedrael> ok
[12:17] <nikkia> it started off about how this couple were happy, cos he has a rolex, and 'she has healthy breasts that bounce on his italian leather sofa', now its going on about how she's cutting him up with a serrated knife and putting him in ziploc bags
[12:17] <kalenedrael> edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update
[12:17] <kalenedrael> then try installing the package
[12:17] <kalenedrael> in /etc/apt/sources.list, change anything that says "us.archive.ubuntu.com" to "archive.ubuntu.com"
[12:18] <bonggnu> nice
[12:21] <bonggnu> the same happenas
[12:21] <bonggnu> MD5 sum mismatch
[12:22] <twidget> I'm confused
[12:22] <twidget> there is no asound.conf file anywhere
[12:22] <nikkia> twidget, maybe you didn't save it properly ?
[12:22] <twidget> There's an asound.conf_dmix file
[12:22] <nikkia> hmmm
[12:23] <nikkia> it should be called /etc/asound.conf
[12:23] <twidget> I thought I was editing esd something
[12:23] <nikkia> twidget, i think you followed the wrong bit of the page :/
[12:23] <twidget> okay.... steps ?
[12:23] <twidget> 7 & 8?
[12:24] <nikkia> the second half of step 7
[12:24] <twidget> 2nd half of 7... 2nd half of 7...
[12:24] <nikkia> ie, the bit where you edit /etc/asound.conf and put the contents of step 8 in it
[12:25] <twidget> just in /etc/ ?
[12:25] <nikkia> yes
[12:50] <TestMAD> hi
[12:50] <TestMAD> anyone here that has a minute to answer a question for me
[12:51] <twidget> still skipping bad
[12:51] <TestMAD> anyone here that can help me?
[12:52] <nikkia> twidget, do mp3s skip ?
[12:52] <js_> TestMAD: just ask your question
[12:52] <twidget> I was just thinking about that. I'll rip a CD, then try
[12:52] <TestMAD> got issues with amd64 live cd
[12:52] <TestMAD> i get through the boot..
[12:53] <twidget> Ummm... what do I use to rip? :)
[12:53] <nikkia> twidget, i use kaudiocreator
[12:53] <TestMAD> then the screen goes black except for a non flashing cursor in the upper left hand corner of my screen..
[12:53] <nikkia> but i don't think its in the repositories
[12:53] <TestMAD> then i hear the login sound.
[12:54] <TestMAD> and thats it..no more after that.
[12:54] <nikkia> actually, it might be, as it doesn't do any encoding itself, it relies on lame
[12:54] <twidget> encoder of choice?
[12:54] <nikkia> twidget, if you want to encode mp3s, lame's pretty good
[12:55] <TestMAD> could it be cause if have 2 6600gt's in sli?
[12:55] <nikkia> i usually encode to m4a tho, and use faac
[12:55] <nikkia> testmad, possibly
[12:55] <twidget> where does it rip them to?
[12:55] <nikkia> twidget, wherever you tell it to
[12:55] <TestMAD> the live cd just uses generic drivers right?
[12:56] <nikkia> testmad, yes
[12:56] <TestMAD> ok..then the vid would be mt problem then..will the install cd have the nvidia drivers and detect it on install?
[12:57] <nikkia> nope
[12:57] <nikkia> you have to install them seperately
[12:57] <TestMAD> ok..
[12:58] <TestMAD> well then i guess im not gonna have any luck using ubunto then
[12:58] <nikkia> testmad, i can't think of any distro that'll install the nvidia binary drivers by default
[12:58] <TestMAD> lots of distros say they support nvidia..
[12:59] <nikkia> yes, but bundling the nvidia drivers with the distro is technically illegal
[12:59] <nikkia> 'support' != 'install by default'
[12:59] <TestMAD> i dont see y its illegal
[01:00] <nikkia> its a licensing issue
[01:00] <TestMAD> ok.
[01:00] <TestMAD> so is there a way around this w/o tearing my pc apart just to flip the little card inside over?
[01:00] <Mez> huh TestMAD ?
[01:00] <nikkia> the install CD installs in text mode...
[01:00] <nikkia> so that should be ok
[01:01] <nikkia> then you just need to boot without X after installing, and install the binary drivers...
[01:01] <nikkia> you can do that by booting with runlevel 1
[01:01] <TestMAD> ok..super noob here..never used linux before..so pls explain how
[01:02] <Mez> TestMAD, do you use both graphics cards?#
[01:02] <TestMAD> so live runlevel1?
[01:02] <TestMAD> yes i use both
[01:02] <Mez> cennect your montior to the other one and see whether it works ;)
[01:02] <TestMAD> no..i use both in sli.
[01:02] <TestMAD> not dual monitor
[01:02] <Mez> Sli ?
[01:03] <nikkia> testmad, the point is, the driver is only picking up on the first card
[01:03] <nikkia> so switch the video cable to the other card for the purpose of installation
[01:03] <nikkia> its a lot easier than ripping a PC apart
[01:03] <TestMAD> ok..ill try that..but i would think that it would see the card in the first pci slot
[01:03] <Mez> TestMAD, actualy
[01:03] <TestMAD> not the second
[01:03] <Mez> when you hit the cursor with the login sound
[01:03] <TestMAD> and im using the first
[01:03] <Mez> hit alt+f1
[01:03] <Mez> then login there and run
[01:04] <nikkia> testmad, the order of PCI slots isn't necessarily the same as the physical order
[01:04] <nikkia> testmad, what *seems* the first slot, may well not be
[01:04] <TestMAD> ok
[01:04] <Mez> lspci
[01:04] <Mez> and see if it shows anyting
[01:04] <TestMAD> ok.
[01:04] <nikkia> mez, ctrl-alt-f1
[01:04] <TestMAD> ill..give those a try
[01:04] <TestMAD> brb
[01:04] <Mez> actually, yes, use ctrl alt f1
[01:04] <TestMAD> ok
[01:04] <Mez> (incase X IS running)
[01:05] <nikkia> X must be running
[01:05] <nikkia> or else it wouldn't play the sound
[01:05] <TestMAD> ok..brb
[01:05] <twidget> "The selected encoder could nto be found"
[01:05] <nikkia> twidget, just download a mp3 to test with
[01:08] <nikkia> of course, you're probably not going to have anything that can play mp3s either
[01:14] <twidget> This amaroK looks interesting
[01:17] <TestMAD> ok..back
[01:17] <twidget> Pretty cool stuff
[01:17] <TestMAD> lspci saw that everytihng was nvidia but unkown device
[01:17] <TestMAD> so now what?
[01:45] <TestMAD> nikkia: can ubuntu access ntfs?
[01:46] <js_> TestMAD: linux can
[01:46] <Speedy2> TestMAD: Read-only
[01:46] <TestMAD> ok..good nuff
[01:47] <TestMAD> i just wanna make sure that before i install this distro usin vmware that i can access my ntfs to get the drivers installed
[01:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone here use pureftpd?
[01:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone here know about pure-ftpd?
[02:32] <aseigo> Riddell: pingy?
[02:40] <Speedy2> Is there a way to restore the KDE in Kubuntu to what KDE does "stock" ?  i.e. Have the Konsole button on Kicker, etc
[02:44] <aseigo> Speedy2: if you wish to restore the panels... just rm ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc
[02:45] <aseigo> Speedy2: you'll probalby want to kill kicker first though.. so.. open a konsole and do:
[02:45] <aseigo> dcopquit kicker; rm ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc; kicker
[02:45] <Speedy2> aseigo: 10-4, I re-setup Kubuntu so kdm isn't automatically loaded
[02:45] <Speedy2> aseigo: I can quit X and do it from the console.  KDE normally runs with it's "First Time Wizard" which sets up defaults, etc.  Anyway to invoke that?  I'd like to try to get this KDE as close to "stock" as possible
[02:46] <insanekane> Speedy2: umm yes ... there is a way
[02:47] <aseigo> Speedy2: run kpersonalizer
[02:47] <Speedy2> aseigo: Got it.  Thanks!
[02:47] <insanekane> ah aseigo beat me to it :)
[02:47] <aseigo> insanekane: sorry =)
[02:47] <insanekane> aseigo: :)
[02:48] <Speedy2> Hrm.  before launching this session of KDE, I did a mv .kde .kde_old and mv .qt .qt_old -- kicker still looks like Ubuntu defaults
[02:48] <Speedy2> err Kubuntu
[02:49] <insanekane> .kickerrc ?
[02:51] <Speedy2> insanekane: Well I did a mv of the entire .kde folder, I would assume it would revert back to KDE defaults...maybe it's reverting back to Kubuntu defaults?
[02:52] <insanekane> or maybe, kicker is not picking its defaults from .kde (maybe because you havent changed anything from the system defaults ?)
[02:52] <Speedy2> hrm
[02:53] <aseigo> insanekane: ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc
[02:53] <insanekane> aseigo: but he moved it already
[02:53] <aseigo> Speedy2: careful with mv'ing all of your $KDEHOME (~/.kde) as there are all sorts of things in there like addressbooks and what not
[02:53] <insanekane> he moved ~/.kde to ~/.kde_old
[02:53] <aseigo> Speedy2: but yeah, it will revert to kubuntu settings
[02:53] <Speedy2> aseigo: Understood.  I just set this installation up, so I haven't added anything, but thank you for the warning
[02:54] <Speedy2> aseigo: Can I change Kubuntu's defaults back to KDE defaults?
[02:55] <aseigo> yes ... edit /etc/kderc and comment out the prefixes=/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/ line
[02:56] <aseigo> that should get you back to basically stock kde
[02:56] <Speedy2> Perfect!
[02:56] <insanekane> aseigo: great  tip .. thanks aseigo 
[02:56] <Speedy2> aseigo: Thanks!
[02:57] <Speedy2> Thanks again.  Let me try this out, after upgrading to KDE 3.4.1
[03:02] <delltony> anyone know of a good working script for ubuntu/kbuntu that will convert dvds to xvid?
[03:04] <vr> aseigo: Thanks alot for your tips, KDE feels "normal" again :) .
[03:05] <Speedy2> aseigo: A question -- with KDE 3.4.1 should things like the backgroudn wall paper say "3.4.1" and the menu when I click on the "K" say "3.4.1" ? (right now they indicate 3.4)
[03:05] <insanekane> hehe
[03:05] <Speedy2> aseigo: Let me know if you're in San Diego, I'll buy you some great food
[03:05] <aseigo> nah, just 3.4
[03:05] <Speedy2> =)
[03:05] <Speedy2> 10-4
[03:06] <aseigo> Speedy2: i'm in san diego from oct 13th to oct 15th or 16th
[03:06] <Speedy2> No shit!
[03:06] <aseigo> no shit
[03:06] <Speedy2> "Golll-eee!"
[03:06] <Speedy2> Take me up on my offer :)
[03:06] <aseigo> ok =) will do ...
[03:07] <aseigo> i'll be busy during the day of the 13th and 14th hosting a workshop on KDE devel, but in the evenings i should be at least partially free and assuming i stay for the weekend (which is the plan) i'm totally free sat and perhaps sunday
[03:07] <Speedy2> Nice.
[03:07] <Speedy2> Are you paying out of pocket?
[03:07] <aseigo> hell no
[03:08] <aseigo> george staikos, ian geiseir, matt rogers and probably adam treat will all also be there
[03:08] <aseigo> as will scott collins from trolltech
[03:08] <aseigo> though scott will probably be in and out the same day
[03:08] <Speedy2> Sounds exciting
[03:08] <aseigo> ditto for chris dibona
[03:08] <aseigo> yeah.. will be fun =)
[03:09] <Speedy2> Software development isn't quite my game
[03:09] <Speedy2> (well, application level)
[03:09] <aseigo> if you think there would be any interest in such a thing, please feel free to round up the local linuxers and we can all do a lunch or something and discuss stuffs
[03:09] <aseigo> er, stuff
[03:09] <Speedy2> Sure
[03:11] <aseigo> Speedy2: so if you manage to figure something fun out, email me with some details so i can plan around it ... aseigo at kde dot org
[03:11] <Speedy2> err whops
[03:11] <Speedy2>  aseigo: I'd definitely like to switch to KDE/Linux full-time. Sadly, most of my Hardware Development Tools are Windows based
[03:12] <Speedy2> aseigo: 10-4 .  I don't know that many software / Linux guys, but I'm sure I could get a little creative and find some people
[03:12] <Speedy2> Well...that is relevant people
[03:12] <Speedy2> ;)
[03:14] <aseigo> Speedy2: lol.. yeah. no need for shotguns ;) but sure, whatever you think would be enjoyable.
[03:15] <Speedy2> Heh
[03:15] <aseigo> Speedy2: oh.. one little note: please don't plan to take me to a steak house or any other meat centric location
[03:15] <Speedy2> <-- Vegetarian / Vegan
[03:15] <aseigo> Speedy2: i'm a vegetarian. lacto-ovo is OK
[03:15] <aseigo> ah, SUHWEET!
[03:15] <Speedy2> You'll be in good hands :)
[03:15] <Speedy2> Oh, I'm a good cook too!
[03:15] <Speedy2> heh
[03:15] <aseigo> most vegans tend to be ;)
[03:15] <aseigo> out of necessity if nothing else
[03:15] <Speedy2> aseigo: How long have you been vegetarian?
[03:16] <Speedy2> aseigo: Exactly, heh
[03:16] <aseigo> since ... oh .. 96?
[03:16] <Speedy2> Ah
[03:16] <aseigo> had a year or so where some animal products snuck back into the diet due to living conditions (the mother of my child was a full on carnivore when she moved in to my place)
[03:17] <aseigo> but that eventually straightened itself out ;)
[03:17] <Speedy2> aseigo: Ah.  I've been vegetarian all mylife, but went vegan 1.5 years ago
[03:17] <aseigo> good for you! =)
[03:17] <aseigo> your parents were vegetarian then?
[03:17] <Speedy2> aseigo: Very much so
[03:18] <Speedy2> Very cool!
[03:18] <aseigo> and i just started seeing a vegan, so ... if that gets truly serious i may end up de facto eating vegan more often than not as well
[03:18] <insanekane> lacto-ovo ? milk and eggs ?
[03:19] <Speedy2> insanekane: Yes
[03:19] <aseigo> insanekane: yes
[03:19] <insanekane> what abt fish ?
[03:19] <aseigo> insanekane: hard to eat out in this town otherwise
[03:19] <Speedy2> insanekane: Fish is meat
[03:19] <aseigo> fish would have eyeballs and nerves
[03:19] <insanekane> hmm
[03:19] <aseigo> that would tend to make them "meat" ;)
[03:19] <Speedy2> aseigo: Eating out is very hard.  Have you seen the happycow.net website?
[03:19] <insanekane> Bengali vegans eat fish (fish is staple)
[03:19] <Speedy2> aseigo: The vegan thing is a little tough but you can make it work
[03:19] <Speedy2> insanekane: Yeah.
[03:20] <insanekane> anyway, i will soon be vegan too
[03:20] <Speedy2> aseigo: My gf wasn't vegan but was vegetarian and has made the transition quite well
[03:20] <insanekane> (ie, in about 3-4 days)
[03:20] <Speedy2> insanekane: Cool.  Let me know if you want recipes and the like
[03:20] <insanekane> with the exception of fish ie
[03:20] <insanekane> Speedy2: Im indian ... this is the land of veg ;)
[03:21] <insanekane> Speedy2: in particular, eating non-veg, unless at a *very* good restaurant in India, is very dangerous
[03:22] <aseigo> Speedy2: yeah, i've been there before (happycow)
[03:22] <aseigo> well .. fish would make you "pescatarian"
[03:22] <aseigo> not vegan
[03:22] <aseigo> and in my view, veganism is an ideal .. something to strive for and not feel bad if you miss the mark on occasion
[03:22] <insanekane> hmm ... for me vegan-ness is not a political belief ;) vegan-ness has to be about goodness of food ...
[03:22] <aseigo> for me that makes it less of a religion and more of a life style =)
[03:23] <insanekane> hmm
[03:23] <aseigo> insanekane: sure ... still ... you can hardly call yourself vegan if you eat chicken ;)
[03:23] <insanekane> sure :)
[03:23] <aseigo> and yeah.. i love indian food.. mmmm.
[03:23] <insanekane> to me, the way the food is "cultivated" makes all the difference
[03:23] <insanekane> aseigo: oh cool :)
[03:23] <Speedy2> (Phone, brb)
[03:24] <insanekane> i love indian food too
[03:24] <aseigo> good thing =P
[03:24] <insanekane> why P ?
[03:25] <aseigo> well, if you're in india, it helps if you enjoy the local food =)
[03:25] <insanekane> aseigo: not many Indians (in my socio-economic class) like Indian food
[03:25] <aseigo> really. that's interesting.
[03:25] <insanekane> yes
[03:25] <aseigo> what socio-economic class are you in?
[03:25] <insanekane> middle-middle class 
[03:25] <insanekane> you could say it applies to middle class indians
[03:25] <aseigo> middle middle class? heh. that's pretty specific =)
[03:26] <aseigo> well, i suppose we refer to "upper middle class" here too
[03:26] <insanekane> yeah ... i could take it one step further ... nri middle middle class
[03:26] <aseigo> so what sort of food do they prefer?
[03:26] <aseigo> nri?
[03:26] <aseigo> not really indian?
[03:26] <insanekane> non-resident indian
[03:26] <insanekane> LOL
[03:26] <aseigo> ah
[03:26] <insanekane> yeah, that too :)
[03:26] <insanekane> this class pretty much depends on junk
[03:26] <aseigo> so you're an imigrant to india?
[03:26] <insanekane> no ...
[03:27] <aseigo> ug. junk. very american of you. =(
[03:27] <insanekane> i am indian ... born and raised in Kuwait
[03:27] <aseigo> oh. hum. so .. what is a "non-resident indian"
[03:27] <insanekane> now, back in India
[03:27] <aseigo> oh ... 
[03:27] <aseigo> is that what makes you NRI?
[03:27] <insanekane> aseigo: in Kerala, about 1/3rd of the population is NRI
[03:27] <insanekane> aseigo: yes
[03:27] <aseigo> interesting.
[03:28] <aseigo> we have the homeless / drug addicts / other unfortunates ... the rich ... and pretty much everyone else.
[03:28] <insanekane> aseigo: class distinctions here are on the nri division lines
[03:28] <aseigo> i see...
[03:29] <aseigo> god damned crappy network
[03:29] <insanekane> aseigo: kerala is very forward economically (due to NRI remittences) ... so the kind of people below the poverty line are usually (discriminated) aboriginals
[03:29] <aseigo> that's sad =(
[03:29] <insanekane> indeed
[03:29] <aseigo> hrm.. brb.. friend at the door
[03:38] <stibby> kubuntu does not come with devfs, correct?
[03:39] <insanekane> hmm
[03:43] <insanekane> stibby: ive heard the same, but i couldn't realyl be sure
[03:53] <stibby> If OSS is almost obselete, and ALSA is the standard, how come OSS is the only thing that will work fairly with my sound card? Is it due to the fact that alsa never made a driver for the specific card? I have a turtle beach catalina. It uses an ICE1724 chipset.
[03:53] <stibby> the only program that will play sound is XMMS, while using an OSS driver.
[03:53] <stibby> this, unfortunately, prohibits me from utilizing amarok and just about any other media player :/
[03:54] <insanekane> hmm
[03:54] <insanekane> did u check the ALSA website regarding the model of your sound card ?
[03:55] <stibby> yep
[03:55] <stibby> they don't even have it listed
[03:55] <stibby> yet...I can set the volume of the music i hear with alsa
[03:56] <stibby> and it comes up with a card name
[03:56] <stibby> I don't think the card name is correct, but nevertheless, it does find it
[03:56] <insanekane> hmm
[03:56] <stibby> I only want to get alsa support because i'm having OSS software issues...in XMMS my songs can't repeat :/
[03:56] <stibby> its really, really, weird.
[03:57] <insanekane> i remember reading "Turtle beach" back when recompilingthe kernel
[03:57] <insanekane> stibby: have u tried changing the backend in amarok ?
[03:57] <stibby> yep
[03:57] <stibby> tried everything
[03:57] <insanekane> hmm
[03:57] <stibby> configured the sound servers in just about every way possible
[03:58] <stibby> in the KDE control center I can't hear any sound at all, so that only complicates things further.
[03:58] <stibby> in XMMS, it detects the card with alsa, but says somethign else is blocking it or it isn't configured
[03:59] <drawagoat> anyone know where i can stream good internet radio fo free?
[03:59] <stibby> in "alsamixer" i've turned everything on and volume to maximum.
[03:59] <insanekane> drawagoat: di.fm
[04:00] <insanekane> stibby: any specific error message ?
[04:00] <drawagoat> mmmk thanks
[04:02] <insanekane> stibby: have you googled for anything related to your problem ?
[04:02] <stibby> insanekane: i've googled and there seems to be no official driver for this card
[04:02] <stibby> i never got any error messages
[04:02] <stibby> that i'm familiar with
[04:03] <insanekane> but says somethign else is blocking it or it isn't configured <- ??
[04:03] <stibby> its amazing there aren't more drivers for Turtle Beach. They are really great cards. Unlike that SoundBlaster sh17
[04:03] <stibby> insanekane: the xmms error message says that but also says there is a possibility of bad drivers
[04:03] <insanekane> aha
[04:05] <stibby> perhaps to be safe I shoudl kill everything but xmms
[04:06] <stibby> insandkane: from google searching:
[04:06] <stibby> "
[04:06] <stibby> I was wondering, but a check on http://www.opensound.com/osshw.html
[04:06] <stibby> doesn't show the Catalina. It seems there is currently no Linux support
[04:06] <stibby> either in OSS or Alsa.
[04:06] <stibby> Regards
[04:06] <stibby> Sid. 
[04:06] <stibby> "
[04:06] <stibby> that is odd becaues I got this to work in XMMS using OSS
[04:08] <insanekane> stibby: there seems to be a page which seems to describe a solution ....
[04:09] <stibby> really?
[04:09] <stibby> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Turtle_Beach#matrix
[04:09] <stibby> alsa project lists nothing :(
[04:10] <insanekane> stibby: my use of "seems" is because I can't confirm it ... you may have to register to get there ..
[04:12] <stibby> is it something about my specific card?
[04:13] <insanekane> stibby: yes ... it relates to your card
[04:13] <insanekane> at least, as far as I can tell
[04:14] <insanekane> stibby: will you try it and tell me if it works ?
[04:16] <stibby> insanekane: sure
[04:23] <penguinboy> evening geeks and nerds!!!
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> allo
[04:23] <penguinboy> allo KK
[04:24] <insanekane> penguinboy: why do you exclude me from your greeting ? ;)
[04:24] <monchy> hey penguin
[04:24] <penguinboy> beunos noches insanekane 
[04:24] <penguinboy> hey monchmeister!!!
[04:24] <insanekane> penguinboy: hello :)
[04:25] <penguinboy> como esta usted?
[04:25] <penguinboy> my countries better than the monchmeisters
[04:26] <penguinboy> hey you all....the monchmeister has this new site
[04:26] <penguinboy> it is super kewl
[04:26] <monchy> it's not mine
[04:26] <penguinboy> well yeah
[04:26] <insanekane> but ?
[04:26] <penguinboy> but he recommended it to me and it is super fantastic
[04:26] <insanekane> hehe
[04:27] <penguinboy> i think it is nationstates.org
[04:27] <penguinboy> go there
[04:27] <penguinboy> superfantastic
[04:27] <monchy> nationstates.net
[04:27] <penguinboy> makes a homoboy super excited
[04:27] <insanekane> is it political ?
[04:27] <monchy> yes
[04:28] <insanekane> good :)
[04:28] <penguinboy> oh yes
[04:28] <penguinboy> you get to create your own country
[04:28] <penguinboy> and join alliances
[04:28] <penguinboy> and vote on issues
[04:28] <penguinboy> and join the UN
[04:28] <insanekane> it's pro-/anti- what ?
[04:28] <penguinboy> very very very intereasting
[04:28] <insanekane> aha
[04:28] <monchy> there is an ubuntu region, but it's small, only 20 countries or so
[04:28] <penguinboy> monch and I belong to the Ubuntu Region
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> 0_0 
[04:29] <insanekane> Ubuntu or Kubuntu ?
[04:29] <penguinboy> mine is called The Serene Republic of Kubuntu
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> g
[04:30] <penguinboy> Ubuntu is the region
[04:30] <insanekane> oh right
[04:30] <insanekane> sorry for getting political ;)
[04:30] <penguinboy> lol
[04:30] <penguinboy> lol
[04:30] <penguinboy> lol
[04:32] <penguinboy> lol
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0 2 australian flags
[04:33] <penguinboy> si
[04:33] <penguinboy> KK ya gotta join
[04:33] <penguinboy> make you a country and then join it to the Ubuntu region
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> penguinboy: I'm thinking about it :D
[04:34] <monchy> that's the armed republic of monchy to you ;)
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[04:35] <ws> :O
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;S
[04:35] <monchy> @_@
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> -_-
[04:35] <monchy> wait is uniq here?
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[04:36] <monchy> idle?
[04:36] <ws> hehe
[04:43] <penguinboy> YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:43] <penguinboy> what is the name fo your country?????
[04:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure yet :O want to finish the faq
[04:46] <delltony> anyone here know how to make xvids out of dvds?
[04:48] <stibby> is it possible that my problems with alsa are due to no installation of alsa-headers and other packages?
[04:48] <stibby> I turn volume up to very high, and i get this buzzing sound
[04:48] <stibby> yet i can't get sound from xmms
[04:49] <stibby> i'm also wondering where the alsa config file is
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> delltony: try dvdrip
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> stibby: you buzz would just be the speakers
[04:54] <stibby> if alsa can control the volume, can it really not control the playback?
[04:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm not sure about Kubuntu... afaik it uses artsd
[04:55] <delltony> considering transcode doesn't work with ubuntu thats a no go for launch
[04:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> penguinboy: I'm not sure what name to use >.< *debates*
[04:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> delltony: it does, check on ubuntuforums.org
[04:56] <monchy> the incorporated states of kamping_kaiser
[04:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> and try ubuntugude.org
[04:56] <penguinboy> KK what about The Feifdom of Kaiser
[04:57] <stibby> its times like this where i want to try gentoo.
[04:57] <stibby> *when
[04:57] <stibby> does anyone know where the alsa config file is?
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> National Animal: Geek Chick ? :P
[04:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> stibby: no i don't
[04:58] <delltony> could you give me a direct link to a known working solution on there  i have looked and tried and looked some more thanks
[04:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> delltony: not off the top of my head
[05:00] <delltony> k cause all i see is folks saying liike i am that transcode will not compile due to depend issues
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=548&highlight=install+transcode trhy that
[05:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> penguinboy, monchy, should we take our chatter outside?
[05:07] <monchy> ?
[05:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> another chan?
[05:07] <monchy> oh ok
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> irclikelife?
[05:08] <monchy> anyone in there?
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> me :P
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> and transgress
[05:10] <delltony> ok thanks
[05:23] <bbailey> .join #ubuntu
[05:28] <monchy> keep that homo crap to yourself lol
[05:28] <monchy> yourself, and kamping_kaiser
[05:29] <stibby> monchy: where are the ops when we need them?
[05:29] <monchy> gone thank god
[05:29] <penguinboy> lol
[05:29] <penguinboy> lol
[05:29] <penguinboy> lol
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:29] <monchy> trust me you don't want the ops here
[05:29] <penguinboy> i think KK is an op
[05:29] <monchy> or you'll be limited to saying things like "swell"
[05:30] <penguinboy> kewl
[05:30] <penguinboy> I can help you with that
[05:30] <penguinboy> certinaly, it is what I am here for
[05:30] <penguinboy> would you like paper or plastic?
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> no I'm not ;)
[05:30] <QueerAsFollk> I am out...proud...and loud!
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> what i don't get is why there's no chanserv
[05:33] <QueerAsFollk> can I be an op?
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you sleep with one
[05:34] <QueerAsFollk> kewl...is that how you get an op badge?????
[05:34] <QueerAsFollk> i would be willing to do this
[05:34] <QueerAsFollk> stibby r u an op?
[05:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> Be back later
[05:35] <QueerAsFollk> k
[05:38] <QueerAsFollk> Welcome newbie !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:40] <newbie> hi queeasfollk
[05:42] <QueerAsFollk> hey
[05:42] <QueerAsFollk> new to Kubuntu or new to Linux????
[05:43] <newbie> not that new
[05:43] <newbie> but still have lot to learn
[05:44] <stibby> linux users never run out of things to learn :/
[05:44] <QueerAsFollk> kewl
[05:44] <aseigo> QueerAsFollk: that's pretty good show.. though i haven't watched it since i got rid of my cable tv altogether 1.5 yrs ago...
[05:44] <aseigo> stibby: i'd say: "linux users never run out of things to learn. =)))"
[05:44] <QueerAsFollk> asiego it is a wonderful show
[05:45] <monchy> no tv?!
[05:45] <newbie> frankly i started using linux 2 years ago using mandrake but now am hooked on debian based
[05:45] <newbie> and ubuntu is the best so far
[05:45] <QueerAsFollk> i would like me a piece of Brian Kenny
[05:46] <stibby> aseigo: i wish I could fix all my linux problems and then learn ;)
[05:46] <aseigo> stibby: lol
[05:46] <aseigo> stibby: that is not the way of the force, young padawan learner
[05:47] <stibby> stupid unsupported soundcards...
[05:47] <aseigo> ah, yeah. unsupported hardware is the shits
[05:47] <stibby> the only guide i found on how to get it to work is for gentoo
[05:47] <stibby> and gentoo appears to have a different location of the config file
[05:47] <aseigo> well, gento is different everything.
[05:48] <QueerAsFollk> hey hey heykale
[05:48] <aseigo> they follow the Because We Fucking Can philosophy
[05:48] <QueerAsFollk> hey hey hey kalenedrael 
[05:48] <aseigo> hey hey we're the monkeys
[05:48] <kalenedrael> hello
[05:48] <QueerAsFollk> and peple say we monkey around
[05:48] <stibby> aseigo: are you one of the main KDE devels?
[05:49] <aseigo> stibby: yes, i'm that aseigo
[05:49] <stibby> thankyou for your contributions to the OSS community :)
[05:49] <QueerAsFollk> watch out....stibby is SCHMOOZING!
[05:49] <aseigo> well, i get a lot of enjoyment, fullfillment and free travel out of it. so. heh
[05:50] <stibby> QueerAsFolk: shut up
[05:50] <aseigo> no schmoozfest is complete without martinis
[05:50] <QueerAsFollk> lol
[05:50] <QueerAsFollk> lol
[05:50] <QueerAsFollk> lol
[05:50] <QueerAsFollk> makde mine an appletini
[05:50] <aseigo> done
[05:51] <QueerAsFollk> stibby you need to learn to lighten your tight ass up a little
[05:51] <drawagoat> whoa is there a really 1337 person in here?
[05:51] <QueerAsFollk> no just 76
[05:52] <QueerAsFollk> lol
[05:52] <QueerAsFollk> 69 BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:52] <QueerAsFollk> YEAH BABY
[05:52] <aseigo> and i dunno about 1337 ... just another happy hacker
[05:53] <drawagoat> h4xxx0r69?
[05:53] <drawagoat> maybe
[05:53] <aseigo> close enough =)
[05:53] <QueerAsFollk> O-o
[05:53] <drawagoat> so you help code KDE or something?
[05:53] <aseigo> yes... i'm one of the core devels.
[05:53] <aseigo> did you see that plasma thing on /. the other day?
[05:54] <drawagoat> wtf is a devel
[05:54] <aseigo> developer
[05:54] <drawagoat> i didnt see it on slashdot but I've been hearing about it
[05:54] <QueerAsFollk> i LOVE KDE!
[05:54] <aseigo> drawagoat: yeah, that's my project
[05:54] <drawagoat> hey thats sweet
[05:54] <QueerAsFollk> oh no...now I am SCHMOOZING.....another round of martinins!
[05:54] <aseigo> "my" as in i started it and am the team leader at this point
[05:54] <drawagoat> i've been meaning to check it out
[05:54] <aseigo> QueerAsFollk: as long as they keep flowing, it's all good
[05:54] <drawagoat> ill go check my slashdot feeds now then :/
[05:55] <stibby> asiego: plasma hit /.???
[05:55] <stibby> sweet
[05:55] <aseigo> yeah, and i maintain kicker (the panels), kscd, kjots (well, up until recently; i handed that off to a new devel for 3.5).. work with the kde usability project... and do a bunch of pr stuff like give presentations and interviews.. so.. yeah
[05:55] <aseigo> stibby: yep
[05:55] <aseigo> stibby: couldn't get my email one morning when someone IM's me "someone got /.
[05:55] <aseigo> er, "someone got /.'d today"
[05:56] <aseigo> so i go look and it was in a story about the future of the linux desktop as one of the "forward looking" project
[05:56] <aseigo> s
[05:56] <aseigo> which immediately explained my lack of email
[05:56] <aseigo> since the plasma site is on the same box as my smtp =)
[05:58] <stibby> :sigh: not this again
[05:58] <aseigo> ha
[05:58] <QueerAsFollk> lol....loosen up stubby
[05:58] <monchy> ahhh
[05:59] <QueerAsFollk> hey hey hey KK
[05:59] <stibby> oh dear...
[05:59] <QueerAsFollk> what?
[05:59] <stibby> aseigo: has a feature request for the kde panel ever been double-stacking of icons?
[05:59] <stibby> that would be incredibly useful.
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> halla
[05:59] <aseigo> try the minilauncher
[05:59] <QueerAsFollk> hola
[06:00] <stibby> minilauncher?
[06:00] <aseigo> yes
[06:00] <aseigo> the visible name for it is "Quick Launcher"
[06:00] <aseigo> it lets you stack your app icons into multiple rows
[06:00] <drawagoat> what is icon double-stacking? like on top of each other i assume?
[06:01] <aseigo> yeah
[06:01] <aseigo> like double stuffed oreos
[06:01] <drawagoat> y would people want that?
[06:01] <QueerAsFollk> lol aseigo 
[06:01] <aseigo> drawagoat: read bugs.kde.org for kicker and you'll be asking that a lot =/
[06:01] <drawagoat> lol
[06:01] <drawagoat> hye
[06:01] <QueerAsFollk> O_o
[06:02] <drawagoat> i have a farily simple question... y is my firefox logo in linux jsut a world... the fox isn't there...
[06:02] <aseigo> "can you make kicker suck? thx"
[06:02] <aseigo> drawagoat: what icon theme are you using?
[06:02] <drawagoat> default...
[06:03] <aseigo> wait. is the icon a world with a gear around the outside of it?
[06:03] <drawagoat> i don't try to screw around with themes much cause I always end up jsut screwing sutff up
[06:03] <QueerAsFollk> aseigo: what icon theme do you use????
[06:03] <drawagoat> nope
[06:03] <drawagoat> just a world
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> drawagoat: Warty + Hoary use the mozilla icon
[06:03] <aseigo> QueerAsFollk: usually just the defaults. i try and subject myself to default kde as much as possible
[06:03] <stibby> aseigo: i'll try that
[06:03] <stibby> thanks
[06:03] <QueerAsFollk> kewl!
[06:03] <drawagoat> ok that explains it
[06:04] <drawagoat> thanks Kamping_Kaiser 
[06:04] <drawagoat> i was just curious :/
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, it's changed in Breezy
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> i turned into a firefox about a week ago :o
[06:05] <drawagoat> i saw a like 60 year old lady wearing a "getfirefox" tshirt the other day
[06:05] <drawagoat> I told her to holler back
[06:05] <aseigo> Kamping_Kaiser: turned into one? is that like a furry thing?
[06:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol cool
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> the icon has been changed from the mozilla one to the firefox one
[06:08] <drawagoat> cool
[06:08] <drawagoat> when does breezy release?
[06:08] <monchy> october
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> 5.10 :o
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> october
[06:09] <monchy> october 13th to be exact
[06:09] <drawagoat> and is there a release date for plasma?
[06:10] <monchy> that's a long ways away
[06:10] <drawagoat> understood
[06:10] <twidget> If I asked if I could hook up a webcam in Kubuntu, would you people laugh me out of the channel? :)
[06:10] <monchy> 3.5 should be in time for breezy though i'd think
[06:11] <QueerAsFollk> we never laugh at people
[06:11] <twidget> nikkia: possible?
[06:11] <QueerAsFollk> that is the spirit of Ubuntu!
[06:11] <twidget> Well, I'm happy to hear that. :)
[06:12] <twidget> Now then, is it possible?
[06:12] <drawagoat> kubuntu doesn't laugh at people. it flames them!
[06:12] <QueerAsFollk> anyone in here work a cam in Kubuntu?????
[06:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> nope
[06:12] <QueerAsFollk> monchy?
[06:13] <monchy> ?
[06:13] <QueerAsFollk> do you use a cam?
[06:13] <monchy> not in nix lol
[06:14] <QueerAsFollk> hey twidget I know transgress uses one....in Kubuntu.....problem is here is not talking at the moment.
[06:15] <drawagoat> lol he left
[06:15] <QueerAsFollk> shoot
[06:15] <QueerAsFollk> you try to help somebody and they run off
[06:16] <stibby> what exactly is KDE Plasma
[06:16] <monchy> stop that fuck face
[06:16] <twidget> me?!
[06:16] <stibby> me?
[06:17] <monchy> no
[06:17] <QueerAsFollk> me?
[06:17] <monchy> and no
[06:17] <drawagoat> me?
[06:17] <monchy> yes
[06:17] <monchy> no
[06:17] <drawagoat> oh ok
[06:17] <twidget> ha
[06:17] <QueerAsFollk> what did drawagaot do?????
[06:17] <monchy> the homosexual
[06:17] <drawagoat> me?
[06:17] <QueerAsFollk> hey twidget I know transgress uses one....in Kubuntu.....problem is here is not talking at the moment.
[06:17] <QueerAsFollk> there is a homosexual in here?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?
[06:17] <twidget> Hmmm, my motherboard is beeping at me
[06:18] <twidget> Let's burn him!
[06:18] <twidget> :)
[06:18] <QueerAsFollk> build a bridge out of me!
[06:18] <twidget> QueerAsFollk: do you weigh more than a duck?
[06:18] <QueerAsFollk> no
[06:18] <twidget> Burn him!
[06:19] <QueerAsFollk> loose women laying in ponds handing out swords is no basis for a system of government!!!
[06:19] <drawagoat> IRC = wow
[06:19] <QueerAsFollk> o_O
[06:19] <QueerAsFollk> O_o
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_o
[06:19] <twidget> Just because some watery bint tosses a sword at you...
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> 0_0
[06:20] <QueerAsFollk> lol twidget 
[06:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> *giggles* you lot are funny
[06:20] <QueerAsFollk> a man after my own heart!
[06:20] <twidget> You may call me... .... .... Tim
[06:20] <QueerAsFollk> okay....I will call you Tim
[06:20] <QueerAsFollk> What is your name?
[06:21] <twidget> Charles
[06:21] <QueerAsFollk> What is your quest?
[06:21] <twidget> I seek the Holy Grail!
[06:21] <QueerAsFollk> What is your favorite color
[06:21] <twidget> Red... no, blue! AaAaaaaaahhhhhhh!
[06:21] <QueerAsFollk> twidget is sucked into the abyss
[06:22] <QueerAsFollk> where did you get that coconut>
[06:22] <stibby> conversation in here is getting way too out of hand
[06:22] <QueerAsFollk> stubby is too tight assed
[06:22] <twidget> Does the sparrow not fly south during winter?
[06:23] <QueerAsFollk> lol
[06:23] <twidget> They are not strangers to these parts
[06:23] <QueerAsFollk> are you tryimg to tell me that a sparrow carried it here?
[06:24] <QueerAsFollk> I fart in your general direction!
[06:25] <twidget> Your mother was a hampster, and your father smelt of eldeberry!
[06:25] <QueerAsFollk> Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
[06:25] <QueerAsFollk> That's enough singing for now, lads... looks like there's dirty work afoot. 
[06:26] <QueerAsFollk> We are now the nights that say "icky icky icky fetang zoot"
[06:26] <twidget> I don't recognize that quote
[06:26] <QueerAsFollk> singing?
[06:26] <QueerAsFollk> from the Camelot scene
[06:27] <twidget> ah
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> ni peng and noooowom
[06:27] <twidget> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071853/quotes
[06:27] <QueerAsFollk> I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries. 
[06:28] <QueerAsFollk> hey hey hey vipur
[06:29] <twidget> Oh but if I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away.
[06:30] <twidget> bbl
[06:34] <supernix> Hiya dudes and dudettes
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> allo
[06:34] <supernix> Hola
[06:34] <supernix> :D
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> ole!
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[06:35] <supernix> Ohayo Ikaga desuka :D
[06:35] <supernix> Ok that does it that is all the ways I know to say hello 
[06:35] <QueerAsFollk> ohayo supernix-san
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> guten tag
[06:36] <QueerAsFollk> wakaramasuka?
[06:36] <supernix> LOL so I see I have not been the only one to read some Japanese
[06:36] <QueerAsFollk> lo
[06:36] <QueerAsFollk> lol
[06:36] <QueerAsFollk> lol
[06:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> i read some, cant speak any
[06:37] <supernix> I think the response is Sumimasen
[06:37] <supernix> I dabled just a little
[06:37] <supernix> Never read any Kanji but did experiment with speaking it a little
[06:39] <supernix> LOL just found out that Sumimasen is Sorry in Japanese
[06:39] <supernix> SO out of place
[06:39] <supernix> Anywho how yall doin
[06:40] <supernix> Finally got my Kubuntu installed after spending the last few days in here asking question after question over and over to make sure I covered everything
[06:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> and it doest work?
[06:40] <supernix> Nay so far it works great
[06:41] <supernix> Actually better then the LiveDVD
[06:41] <supernix> I am still confused as to what to install and such
[06:41] <supernix> I installed Synaptic which was great as now I can get descriptions of the packages that I am looking at 
[06:42] <supernix> Can someone answer a question about partitions 
[06:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> ask, and people may be able to help
[06:43] <supernix> I installed Kubuntu and let it partition my drive for me but it created to partitions that are unmounted one is 1.3mb and the other is just 1k as stated both are unmounted
[06:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> probably th eextended partition
[06:44] <QueerAsFollk> si
[06:44] <QueerAsFollk> i concur
[06:44] <supernix> I am not following what do you mean they are extended partitions ?
[06:44] <QueerAsFollk> The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?
[06:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: the extended partition is what wraps around your logical partitions
[06:45] <twidget> Okay... you're freakin me out no
[06:45] <twidget> now
[06:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you have 4 or more partitions, you need to have an exteenned
[06:45] <supernix> OIC kinda like reference points
[06:45] <bbailey> So extended partitions weight the same as a coconut. Hrm.
[06:45] <bbailey> weigh*
[06:45] <QueerAsFollk> It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.
[06:47] <QueerAsFollk> Welcome Sir James!
[06:47] <QueerAsFollk> The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king.
[06:47] <twidget> Well, I'm going back to Windoze for a while. I'm hoping to set up some kind of dual boot or something
[06:47] <QueerAsFollk> no twidget
[06:47] <QueerAsFollk> Windo$e is an evil force
[06:47] <QueerAsFollk> run away run away
[06:48] <supernix> Sounds alot like Haikyu QueerAsFollk 
[06:48] <QueerAsFollk> lol
[06:48] <twidget> Well, at the very least I'll be reinstalling nix
[06:48] <twidget> bbl
[06:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> twidget: why reinstall
[06:49] <QueerAsFollk> The people did feast on sheeps, lambs, and aragutangs, and breakfast cereals
[06:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbs. putting on a cd
[06:55] <QueerAsFollk> welcome jago
[06:55] <jago> hello
[06:55] <jago> can you tell me the password fr root login?
[06:56] <QueerAsFollk> Welcoem Shawn
[06:56] <QueerAsFollk> jago you would have set p the root password
[06:56] <jago> hello shawn
[06:56] <QueerAsFollk> do you need to change it?
[06:56] <jago> what
[06:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> no root by default
[06:56] <QueerAsFollk> you would have established the root password at install jago
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> not a default instlal
[06:57] <jago> then how
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> use sudo 
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo passwd root
[06:57] <supernix> I can't seem to find the dictionary I do recall using one on one distro it must have been knoppix anyone know of a dictionary program for KDE
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> but imho don't enable root
[06:57] <jago> imho?
[06:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> InMyHubleOpinion
[06:58] <supernix> it means "In My Humble Opiniont"
[06:58] <jago> oh, why is that
[06:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can do all root stuff with sudo - the systems set up that way
[06:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> and if you need/want a root terminal just use "sudo -i" or "sudo -s"
[06:59] <jago> oh, i just thought it would make it easyer to do system admin
[06:59] <jago> ok
[06:59] <shawn_> ya I've enabled root on my system, sometimes I like to log in as root, I like the option
[06:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> jago, not realy
[06:59] <othernoob> honestly, i don't really see the significant "security advantage" of disabling the root account and telling everyone to use sudo for everything instead
[06:59] <othernoob> i really really am not getting it
[07:00] <jago> thank you
[07:01] <jago> i am also having trouble adding a new user, the process keeps crashing just as it is about to finish
[07:01] <jago> any suggestions
[07:01] <shawn_> oh, I asked this before but I'll give it another whirl, I tried to install KDE from universie it says it needs kdesdk but it's not going to be installed... so I install it and kde still won't install and has same error
[07:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> universe? wtf?
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> jago, try the cli
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> always works ;)
[07:02] <jago> what is cli
[07:02] <shawn_> ya
[07:02] <othernoob> command line interface
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> Command Line Intervace
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> s/v/f
[07:02] <shawn_> ubuntu universe...
[07:02] <jago> s/v/f ?
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> but why is KDE in universe?
[07:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> jago spelling/replacev/withf
[07:03] <shawn_> because it's full KDE come with everything that is kde just not what kubuntu uses... that's what I think anyway
[07:03] <jago> thank you?
[07:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, ok shawn_, I'm not realy sure about KDE :o
[07:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> jago, to add a user put "sudo adduser userlogin" into konsole
[07:05] <bethor> short question, what is the root pasword for the live-cd kubuntu 5.04?
[07:05] <bethor> s/pasword/password/
[07:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> bethor, i don't think there is one
[07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> just type sudo -s
[07:06] <shawn_> is therew any work being done on kynaptic?... for the never version of kubuntu
[07:06] <shawn_> *next
[07:06] <shawn_> lol
[07:06] <othernoob> doesn't sudo -s ask for a password Kaiser?
[07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> just hit enter
[07:06] <QueerAsFollk> kynaptic needs to be put out of its misery
[07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> on the live cds
[07:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> shawn_: i think there is work being done
[07:07] <othernoob> ah, never used the  live kubuntu
[07:08] <bethor> Kamping_Kaiser, No, No, No please not the obvious <hit return> thing *lol*, I tried kubuntu, root and god you know ;-) but hey return that's not l33t
[07:08] <shawn_> how do you send a private message in Konversation? been wondering
[07:09] <othernoob> shawn_: either /msg name .. or /query name ..
[07:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> or notice :
[07:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> */notice
[07:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[07:12] <othernoob> Kamping_Kaiser: could you explain to me the significant security advantage of disabling the root account?
[07:12] <jago> thanks again fr the help.
[07:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> othernoob: no.
[07:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> some people have thought it out i asume
[07:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> apart from ssh, but you shuoldent allow ssh to root anyway
[07:13] <othernoob> yea i don't get it. i mean, if it's to prevent noobs to fuck up, well, they'll do that with sudo just as well.
[07:13] <bbailey> Primarily it's a matter of inexperienced users not being aware of the power of remaining in a superuser account continually and making some stupid lame noob mistake.
[07:13] <shawn_> has anyone in here used KDE trunk (SVN) on kubuntu, I was running trunk on slackware and was wondering about any issues people have had with doing so on kubuntu
[07:13] <othernoob> yea i understand that bbailey, but everyone tells them to just use sudo for everything instead
[07:13] <bbailey> Sudo at least makes it explcite that you're about to do a superuser command, rather than like, simply forgetting which window you're in and fscking everything up.
[07:13] <bbailey> explicite*
[07:15] <shawn_> so that's a no on the KDE trunk?
[07:39] <supernix> Does anyone know the name of a dictionary program for Kubuntu? I am looking for something I can lookup words from time to time
[07:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> dict? check your apt-
[07:40] <bbailey> kdict?
[07:40] <crimsun> install dict and any of its dictionaries
[07:42] <supernix> I looked and could not find Kdict
[07:43] <bbailey> It's in universe
[07:45] <supernix> hmmm I am not seeing it listed in Synaptic is there something I need to edit somewhere ?
[07:45] <bbailey> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe <-- worked for me.
[07:46] <bbailey> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> echo  "deb http://us.archive.Ubuntu.com/Ubuntu Hoary universe" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:52] <supernix> OMG I can't su it wont take my password
[07:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> ... can you be more specific?
[07:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> su ? sudo ? root setup? what
[07:53] <supernix> everytime I type su it asks for password then when I type mine in it said authentication failure
[07:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> try sudo 
[07:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you set the root password?
[07:54] <supernix> nope
[07:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> then you cant su
[07:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> su root anyway
[07:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can su to other users, but not root
[07:54] <supernix> Someone told me that I did not have to all they said was that I had to type su and my password
[07:54] <supernix> OIC
[07:55] <supernix> I was trying to edit that source.list file and could not because of permissions
[07:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo -s for a root shell
[07:55] <bethor> heh
[07:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:55] <bethor> *lol*
[07:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[07:56] <bethor> people are quite used to su I guess. That's what I tried some ninutes ago :-)
[07:57] <bethor> *minutes
[07:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. i use Debian and Ubuntu, so it gets confusing somtiems sshed into a box - is this Debian or Ubuntu :S
[07:58] <supernix> hmm got some errors
[07:58] <supernix> what is the url to that paste service ?
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> pastebin is one
[08:00] <supernix> ok this is the errors I got http://pastebin.com/309870
[08:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> make sure it's lowercase
[08:01] <bethor> how much work is it to install ati drivers (r350) for ubuntu. Is there something like apt-get ati-drivers?
[08:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> bethor: ati-glx or similar
[08:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: and the us repos are dodgy
[08:02] <bethor> k, I'll have a look. thx.
[08:03] <supernix> what do you mean dodgy ?
[08:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> a but sus... they often have md5sum problems, slow transfers etc
[08:04] <supernix> OIC
[08:04] <supernix> Well which universe should I use ?
[08:04] <othernoob> one would think that in all america, it would be possible to find a server that simply works...too difficult for ubuntu it seems
[08:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> try the us ones, if you get md5 errors, drop the us. off the front
[08:06] <supernix> actually I can't
[08:06] <supernix> you can't retrieve the packages from the US server
[08:06] <supernix> that was the error I got
[08:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. drop the us
[08:07] <supernix> can you tell me how I can setup Konquerer to open in root mode? It makes it easier for me to edit files and such
[08:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can sudo konqueror... i don't knw another way
[08:14] <supernix> crap I can't get kate to start for some reason
[08:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> what are you trying to use it for? as root or from the menu?
[08:15] <supernix> I got it thanks everyone
[08:16] <supernix> just curious what is the default permissions on that file ?
[08:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> sources list?
[08:17] <bbailey> 644 for sourcese.list
[08:17] <bbailey> sources.list*
[08:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> mines owned by me :S
[08:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> should be root.root
[08:18] <supernix> I did chmod 666 /etc/apt/source.list
[08:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> no :S
[08:18] <monchy> 777
[08:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> not safe
[08:18] <supernix> I know that is probably a no no that is why I wanted to change it back
[08:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> leave it as root.root 644
[08:19] <supernix> so 644 is the right chmod
[08:19] <supernix> ty everyone for the help
[08:58] <_0kills> hey, anyone know how to kill the sound in KDE.. (i.e.. in gnome you type pkill esd)
[08:59] <aseigo> killall -9 artsd
[08:59] <aseigo> or just go into the control center
[09:00] <aseigo> go to sound & multimedia -> sound system and turn it off =)
[09:00] <_0kills> sweet, thanks man
[09:03] <jpowers> _0kills: did someone answer your question?
[09:12] <jpowers> great
[09:12] <jpowers> I just got disconnected and didn't see it.
[09:12] <aseigo> =)
[09:24] <_0kills> jpowers, yea, thanks
[09:26] <skaman> hi guys
[09:26] <skaman> can anybody help me?
[09:26] <skaman> i have a problem..
[09:27] <skaman> if I reboot from a terminal...no problem...if I reboot from kde panel i got a black screen and my pc freezes
[09:35] <skaman> hi guys
[09:35] <skaman> can anybody help me?
[09:35] <skaman> i have a problem..
[09:35] <skaman> if I reboot from a terminal...no problem...if I reboot from kde panel i got a black screen and my pc freezes
[09:58] <shogouki> damn pyuic 3.13 has a bug with qsizepolicy arguments :/
[09:58] <shogouki> too bad ><
[10:01] <shogouki> pyqt 3.14.1 in breezy, sweet
[10:03] <newbie> any one know about a good file sharing /transfer program with graphical interface
[10:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> newbie: p2p type sharing?
[10:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> try asuzus
[10:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> sp
[10:05] <shogouki> azureus
[10:06] <newbie> thanx i need to transfer files between to specific pcs though not to search and download
[10:10] <jpowers> newbie: konquerer
[10:11] <jpowers> newbie: konquerer has smb:/ and fish:/ kioslaves for samba and ssh respectively
[10:12] <newbie> ok let me explain in more detail
[10:12] <newbie> i am pc A running linux my friend pc B running window
[10:12] <newbie> i can not log onto his pc for he is behind a router on privat lan but he can log on to me
[10:12] <newbie> i need a gui for large file transfer for him to use
[10:13] <jpowers> you need a file transfer client the supports SCP
[10:13] <jpowers> that should work
[10:14] <jpowers> or you need to create a samba share that he can access
[10:14] <newbie> ok i can do either
[10:14] <newbie> i tried with him psftp
[10:14] <newbie> but he did not like the command prompt in it
[10:15] <newbie> so if i create a samba share directory for him what shell he can use GU preferrebly for him to access the folder
[10:16] <jpowers> samba should be accessible via explorer
[10:16] <jpowers> if you use scp, he can download winscp
[10:16] <newbie> so he type \\ipaddress\folder?
[10:16] <jpowers> yeah, exactly
[10:16] <newbie> ok great then  thanx jpowers
[10:17] <jpowers> no problem.  I hope it works out for you.
[10:17] <newbie> will try and see
[11:04] <jay316> Hi
[11:05] <jay316> Okay, right to the brass tacks.. I installed Ubuntu Hoary, and did an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. the following packages did not install, and some of them are quite important to kde. all of them gave an md5sum mismatch
[11:05] <jay316> akregator ark kuser psutils kfind kwifimanager kmailcvt klaptopdaemon kregexpeditor kdeutils
[11:06] <jay316> im particularly concerned by kfind, but ark, kregexpeditor, and kuser are pretty important to me as well
[11:07] <nikkia> from what i've seen, its a problem with the US download location
[11:07] <jpatrick> that's right
[11:08] <jay316> okay, so all i need to do is edit sources.list and change the us. to ??. ?
[11:08] <nikkia> apparently, taking the us. from the front of the repository locations in /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update should cure it
[11:08] <jpatrick> archive
[11:08] <jay316> thank you very much :)
[11:11] <jay316> are there sources that need to be added in order to get things like rar, ncompress, gv, and arj?
[11:12] <jay316> because im being told that they have no installation candidate
[11:12] <jay316> (removing the .us worked, btw)
[11:12] <nikkia> they're probably in multiverse or universe
[11:12] <nikkia> multiverse
[11:13] <nikkia> and universe for arj, so you'd want to add both
[11:14] <jay316> # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[11:14] <jay316> # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[11:14] <jay316>  <-- Would I change universe to multiverse in order to add the multiverse archives as well?
[11:14] <nikkia> just try uncommenting them first, i can't remember if universe is a superset of multiverse
[11:14] <nikkia> if rar doesn't show up, then yes, duplicate and change universe->multiverse
[11:15] <nikkia> i have both listed in my sources, but i can't remember if i did that unthinking, or had a reason :)
[11:15] <jay316> rar has no candidate, so i need to add multiverse
[11:16] <nikkia> ok, then i probably had a reason :)
[11:17] <jay316> without seeing kde, so far i have to say ubuntu is pretty slick
[11:18] <newbie> can i share folder with samba over the internet?
[11:18] <jay316> since i have your attention, let me pick your brain one more time. How do I enable root? I'm used to doing things a certain way (former knoppix/deb sid/sarge user), and not having root is just strange
[11:19] <jay316> newbie: that's exactly what samba does
[11:19] <newbie> jay316 so how can i connect to my shared folder on the internet lets say using ie
[11:19] <nikkia> jay, its better to get out of that habit, really, sudo -s and sudo -i are a good substitute for su when you *really* need a shell as root
[11:20] <nikkia> jay, but if you really feel you need to enable root, 'sudo passwd'
[11:20] <nikkia> jay, once you're used to sudo, its faster too, sudo -e is particularly useful
[11:21] <jay316> well, first you need to make sure that port 139 is forwarded ont he router where your shared folder is, or you're using uPNP. Once you've done that, you go to the network neighborhood and add a network place using 11.22.33.44/sharename
[11:21] <nikkia> most ISPs block 139 now anyway
[11:21] <jay316> i do use sudo, that's not the point :>
[11:21] <jay316> anyways, im gonna reboot this beast and start up kde to see how i like kubuntu, ill brb
[11:23] <newbie> hay i have static ip address so no problem there
[11:24] <newbie> ment jay lol but he left already
[11:31] <jay316> slick
[11:31] <newbie> welcome back jay
[11:31] <jay316> i like it
[11:31] <jay316> ty
[11:31] <jay316> remind me though, in the future
[11:32] <nikkia> yes?
[11:32] <jay316> kynaptic is pretty, but rather lacking
[11:32] <newbie> remind you of what
[11:32] <nikkia> oh, yeah, i use aptitude
[11:32] <newbie> synaptic is much better
[11:32] <jay316> synaptic is your friend :D
[11:32] <newbie> and aptitude is cleaner
[11:32] <aseigo> synaptic is pretty useless as well
[11:32] <nikkia> the only issue with aptitude, is i can't work out htf you install a source package, i don't think you can :/
[11:32] <aseigo> if you install any packages that have post-install scripts that require user input, you're screwed
[11:33] <nikkia> not that its something most people need to do anyway
[11:34] <aseigo> not to mention the UI is highly non-intuitive. once you know where things are hidden, it's ok, but just ok
[11:34] <jay316> okay, im used to an app from kde in knoppix called screen size & rotate, but i dont see it on my menu anywhere.. anybody know where it is?
[11:34] <nikkia> jay, its in one of the kde packages NOT installed by default :/
[11:34] <aseigo> krandr ...
[11:34] <jay316> i installed everything else int he hoary kde dir
[11:37] <jay316> nikkia, do you happen to know the name of it? it has to be in kde universe, cause it's not in kubuntu
[11:37] <nikkia> no idea :/
[11:37] <nikkia> i miss it myself
[11:38] <jay316> ill find it
[11:39] <nikkia> it should be in kdebase, apparently
[11:40] <nikkia> the functionality is in kcontrol, under peripherals/display
[11:41] <jay316> hrmm
[11:41] <jay316> it doesnt like 1280x960 doesnt list it im gonna have to hack around with XF86Config-4
[11:42] <nikkia> but i can't find the systray app anyway
[11:42] <nikkia> jay, no you're not :P
[11:42] <nikkia> [k] ubunutu uses Xorg
[11:43] <jay316> okay
[11:43] <jay316> fine
[11:43] <jay316> :>
[11:43] <jpatrick> :|
[11:43] <jay316> I am unfamiliar with Xorg
[11:43] <jay316> how do i add 1280x960?
[11:43] <spiral> jay316: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:43] <jay316> ty
[11:43] <spiral> jay316: & almost same as XF86config-4...
[11:43] <jay316> i see this
[11:45] <nikkia> my PC at the office still runs knoppix, i can use that to find where the 'screen size and rotate' app is :P
[11:46] <jay316> good idea
[11:46] <jay316> can you ssh to it?
[11:46] <jay316> i have a knoppix live cd here, but id rather not boot it
[11:46] <jay316> ill be back in a minute, gonna apply these changes to the xserver
[11:47] <nikkia> jay, yeah, ssh'ed in right now
[11:50] <McScruff> is there anyone here who's brains i can pick?
[11:51] <McScruff> would this work on kde http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/skippy
[11:51] <spiral> McScruff: did you try kompose ?
[11:51] <nikkia> McScruff: there is already something very similar for kde
[11:51] <nikkia> yeah, that :P
[11:52] <spiral> nikkia: ;-)
[11:52] <McScruff> ooo lemmie go look
[11:53] <McScruff> thankyou
[11:53] <McScruff> installing now :)
[11:56] <McScruff> another app in the bottom right :(
[11:56] <nikkia> heh, i had to think about that
[11:57] <McScruff> lol
[11:57] <McScruff> i dont like it at the top
[11:57] <McScruff> im very fussy
[11:57] <McScruff> a windows whore for too many years
[11:57] <nikkia> ok, the app we're looking for is krandrtray
[11:58] <nikkia> what do you know, it IS installed
[11:58] <nikkia> just has no *"&U*^ing menu
[11:58] <nikkia> jay, found it
[11:58] <jay316> hai
[11:58] <nikkia> jay, it IS installed
[11:58] <jay316> and it is?
[11:58] <nikkia> jay, but has no menu item
[11:58] <nikkia> krandrtray
[11:58] <jay316> someone tried to tell us that
[11:58] <jay316> but allt hey said was krandr
[12:03] <jay316> i think im gonna have to turn off translucency and shadows till i get a slightly better video card
[12:03] <jay316> cause umm
[12:03] <jay316> this sucks
[12:03] <nikkia> the odd thing is, i knew it was a feature of xrandr
[12:03] <nikkia> so i looked for krandr* and kderandr* but didn't see it
[12:03] <nikkia> anyway, menu entry added to System now :)
[12:04] <jay316> i just added it to my panel and it'll stick there forever :D
[12:04] <nikkia> i don't trust the session stuff enough for that
[12:04] <nikkia> and that time when the session fails to save/load it, i'll have forgotten the name again
[12:04] <jay316> lol
[12:05] <nikkia> this reminds me, however, i planned on spending 15 on a VESA100 arm for my desk
[12:06] <nikkia> good grief
[12:06] <nikkia> spam from vmware about the vmware conference in vegas
[12:06] <nikkia> exactly how exciting can a conference dedicated to one app be ?
[12:07] <jay316> it's a pretty impressive app
[12:09] <cloud> hi nikkia
[12:09] <nikkia> hi cloud
[12:10] <cloud> do youn know why my msn crashes every 20 minutes?
[12:10] <cloud> it's a demo version? :D :D
[12:10] <jay316> so if i make another user account, will that user be able to just sudo and gain root?
[12:10] <cloud> amsn i mean..
[12:10] <nikkia> cloud, i use kopete
[12:10] <cloud> it's better?
[12:10] <nikkia> jay, not by default, no
[12:10] <nikkia> jay, you'd have to add that user to the /etc/sudoers file for that to happen
[12:11] <nikkia> cloud, i think so, but thats me
[12:11] <jay316> and why is it that i hit "administrator mode" in kcontrol and it just sits there saying "loading" but nothing is happening?
[12:11] <nikkia> jay, because there is a bug in administrator mode
[12:11] <nikkia> use kdesu kcontrol instead
[12:12] <jay316> gotchya
[12:12] <jay316> :-?
[12:12] <jay316> except i just hit that from the run box and nothing happened
[12:15] <qbit> this "package management" system is really beginning to piss me off
[12:23] <jay316> it seems like things would be a lot more similar between two debian systems
[12:23] <jay316> how do i get the plain old kdm interface back? :D
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[12:25] <jay316> you mean kdm?
[12:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, if you did a strait Kubuntu install
[12:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> unless I'm misinterperating what you want to dl
[12:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> *do
[12:26] <jay316> I want kdm to look like kdm
[12:26] <jay316> with a list of users with icons ont he left
[12:26] <qbit> i installed the sarge2 deb packages for kvirc and it works flawlessly
[12:27] <nikkia> jay, i prefer the kubuntu look personally :)
[12:27] <OculusAquilae> hi
[12:27] <qbit> now kynaptic wants to remove them before allowing anything else to be done
[12:27] <jay316> teho
[12:27] <qbit> how to fix?
[12:28] <jay316> i dont think that did it, but ill go check
[12:28] <nikkia> jay, if you want to put it back, tho, edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc and turn themes off
[12:28] <qbit> i've tried dselect and even using the "=" to set them to hold status changes nothing
[12:29] <qbit> this is really beginning to piss me off  :(
[12:29] <nikkia> qbit, erk, dselect is evil
[12:29] <qbit> lol
[12:29] <nikkia> its been deprecated in debian for as long as i can remember
[12:30] <qbit> all i want to do is mark the sarge2 package so kynaptic will forget all about it - but don't know how
[12:30] <jay316> can i just set theme to nothing?
[12:31] <nikkia> jay, just set UseThemes=no
[12:31] <nikkia> UseTheme=false   rather
[12:32] <jay316> worked like a charm :) thanks, man
[12:32] <nikkia> man? grrrrr
[12:33] <jay316> figure of speech
[12:33] <jay316> my humblest of apologies, ma'am
[12:34] <jay316> now to install baghira and kxdocker :)
[12:38] <jay316> i could have sworn i had baghira
[12:38] <jay316> grrr
[12:42] <jay316> brb
[12:53] <jay316> now this is SLICK
[12:53] <jay316> err LD
[12:53] <jay316> blah
[12:53] <jay316> :D
[12:55] <jay316> kubuntu is your friend
[12:55] <jay316> thank you, everyone, for your help
[12:55] <jay316> especially you, nikkia
[01:01] <alanbcohen> hello
[01:02] <alanbcohen> I have problems with kynaptic
[01:02] <Mez> which is ?
[01:03] <skaman> hi guys
[01:03] <skaman> can anybody hel p me?
[01:03] <alanbcohen> it fails to dload all packages requested; can't figure out what is going wrong.
[01:03] <Mez> skaman, ask your question
[01:03] <skaman> i have this problem
[01:04] <Mez> alanbcohen, try using apt-get to install the packages, it gives error messages
[01:04] <skaman> if I press K and ther reboot or shut down the computer button i get a black screen
[01:04] <Mez> type sudo apt-get install package 
[01:04] <skaman> and no reboot
[01:04] <Mez> but replace package with the package
[01:05] <Mez> skaman - when you do it - try hitting ctrl+alt+f1 and see if you bring up a console - hit ctrl+alt+del there to reboot
[01:05] <Mez> skaman - when you do it - try hitting ctrl+alt+f1 and see if you bring up a console - hit ctrl+alt+del there to reboot
[01:05] <skaman> if i open a terminal
[01:05] <skaman> and give reboot or halt
[01:05] <skaman> roboots 
[01:05] <skaman> with no problem
[01:06] <alanbcohen> tried to use sudo apt-get install {packagename} but get errors on something open 
[01:07] <skaman> but i want to reboot or shut down from KDE!
[01:08] <alanbcohen> even tried to get kpackage instead via apt-get
[01:09] <alanbcohen> how would I change the servers kynaptic is trying to use to a 'better' mirror?
[01:10] <skaman> edit sources.list
[01:11] <alanbcohen> any recommendations as to what to change sources.list to?
[01:12] <jpatrick> remove the us.
[01:12] <alanbcohen> sudoedit sources.list
[01:14] <jay316> wow
[01:15] <jay316> irc via gaim is pretty
[01:15] <jpatrick> I prefer Trillian
[01:16] <jpatrick> have to test it via Crossover tho
[01:17] <supernix> Trillian for Linux ?
[01:18] <jpatrick> no
[01:18] <jpatrick> but it would rock!
[01:18] <Mez> use IRC via XChat :D
[01:18] <jpatrick> i think...
[01:18] <supernix> I did use Trillian often 
[01:18] <supernix> I think I am using Kontact or something like that now
[01:19] <jpatrick> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trillian_%28instant_messenger%29
[01:19] <supernix> I saw something thought that looked alot like trilian before though could it have been Gaim ?
[01:19] <jpatrick> I'm using it now
[01:19] <supernix> Or is Gaim a Gnome app ?
[01:19] <aseigo> supernix: you're probably thinking of kopete
[01:19] <jpatrick> it is
[01:19] <aseigo> well, it's a gtk+ app
[01:19] <supernix> that is what I figured
[01:20] <supernix> what is the best IM client for KDE ?
[01:20] <jpatrick> Kopete
[01:20] <aseigo> kopete
[01:20] <jay316> GAIM = (G)nome (A)(I)(M)
[01:20] <jpatrick> :D
[01:20] <aseigo> jay316: KDE: Kool Desktop Environment. and?
[01:21] <jay316> blah
[01:21] <jay316> heh
[01:21] <aseigo> it's called a misnomer =)
[01:21] <jay316> im incredibly happy with kubuntu :) especially now that it looks like my regular desktop
[01:22] <jpatrick> I'm still waiting for my ubuntu CD
[01:22] <jay316> i downloaded
[01:22] <jpatrick> I have no burner
[01:22] <jay316> i also ordered, though.. cant wait for my powerpc copy to show up
[01:22] <aseigo> jay316: btw.. heh http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q1
[01:22] <jay316> gonna breathe some life into this old g3 sitting over here
[01:23] <aseigo> jay316: i thought i remember them disowning their own acronym. much as we did ;)
[01:23] <jay316> heh
[01:23] <aseigo> it's kind of like when you see those pictures of yourself back in high school...
[01:23] <aseigo> ... and you're like.. "what the HELL was i thinking with hair like that?!"
[01:24] <jay316> well, folks
[01:24] <jay316> it's 730
[01:24] <jay316> im going to bed
[01:25] <jpatrick> Gaim's smileys aren't that good...
[01:25] <jay316> i should take a screenshot or two first
[01:25] <jay316> hey, does ubuntu have a package that does a bootsplash for you or am i gonna have to do it the old fashioned way?
[01:26] <jpatrick> http://www.kde-look.org/
[01:26] <jay316> im aware of the site, im just wondering if im going to have to patch and recompile my kernel
[01:36] <twidget> What is the SuperKaramba package titled?
[01:38] <supernix> does anyone else have trouble loggin into MSN using Kopete ?
[01:40] <aseigo> it's working here
[01:41] <aseigo> build as of a few hours ago
[01:42] <SauRoN> somebody plz help
[01:42] <supernix> I have version .10 what version are you using ?
[01:42] <SauRoN> i was using Kubuntu just fine
[01:42] <SauRoN> when I was on 56K
[01:42] <SauRoN> but now switched to DSL
[01:42] <SauRoN> and I can browse just fine
[01:43] <SauRoN> but I can't use APT for some arb reason
[01:43] <aseigo> supernix: ah.. i think you need 0.10.1 ... have you upgraded to KDE 3.4.1?
[01:43] <SauRoN> should I be opening special ports on the router or something?
[01:43] <supernix> Nah I aint upgraded anything just installed a few programs
[01:43] <supernix> I was meaning to ask about that I saw a button that said upgrade packages not sure if I should push that one or not
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> SauRoN: no you shoulent
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> is the router set up as a proxy?
[01:44] <SauRoN> KK : Any ideas then?
[01:44] <SauRoN> KK : Router is running DHCP server to 3 machines
[01:44] <SauRoN> only the Kubuntu box is having issues
[01:44] <aseigo> supernix: if you upgrade to 3.4.1 you'll be able to log into msn again =)
[01:44] <SauRoN> other 2 are fine
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> and you can browse the web fine from the Kubuntu box?
[01:45] <SauRoN> KK : as I said browsing is fine as well, just connecting to sources is an issue
[01:45] <supernix> hmmmm ok how do I go about the update then ?
[01:45] <SauRoN> KK : can I pm?
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> SauRoN: yes, sure
[01:46] <aseigo> supernix: let me grab you the info
[01:47] <aseigo> supernix: add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list:
[01:48] <aseigo> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341/ hoary-updates main
[01:48] <aseigo> then do an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade dist
[01:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> aseigo: huh?
[01:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> upgrade dist?
[01:51] <aseigo> minus the dist. =P it's 05:50 and i've yet to sleep. bah. i should.
[01:51] <supernix> aseigo, is this beta or stable ?
[01:52] <aseigo> stable. 3.4.1
[01:52] <aseigo> it's the first bug fix release for 3.4
[01:52] <supernix> ah ok
[01:53] <Ixion83> Hi :) The ubuntu foundation will be use by Kubuntu or not ?
[01:53] <supernix> I don't know where but I read something about anything in the Universe would not be tested by Kubuntu security and such this was not a comforting statement and still confuses me
[01:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> i would have thought apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade might be a better way to go?
[01:53] <McScruff> whats te console command to see what kde your running?
[01:53] <aseigo> kde-config --verson
[01:53] <Ixion83> Hi :) The ubuntu foundation will be use by Kubuntu or not ?
[01:53] <McScruff> ty
[01:54] <McScruff> Qt: 3.3.3
[01:54] <McScruff> KDE: 3.4.1
[01:54] <McScruff> kde-config: 1.0
[01:54] <McScruff> :)
[01:54] <supernix> ok so I do apt-get; apt-get upgrade dist ?
[01:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:55] <supernix> will this upgrade all my programs or just KDE ?
[01:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> whatevers installed
[01:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> it will update your  DIST
[01:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> ribution
[01:55] <supernix> ok thanks guys for helping me
[01:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> no worries
[01:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> come back for more help :D
[01:56] <supernix> will I have to log out of everything to do this ?
[01:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> if it upgrades the kernel you hav eto reboot, otherwise a logout will be fine
[01:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can upgrade from inside Kubuntu by the way
[01:57] <supernix> so logout then run those commans ?
[01:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, now
[01:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> just from a konsole :D
[01:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> you should probably add sudoes into those commands - unless you do it from a root shell
[01:58] <supernix> hmm it said those packages could not be authenticated when it was getting ready to update I guess that means they were not signed or something
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> are you only downloading from offical repos?
[01:59] <supernix> I am downloading from the one that aseigo  told me about 
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok that's offical
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can get from there:D
[02:00] <aseigo> yeah, the 3.4.1 packages weren't signed for some reason
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> wierd
[02:00] <supernix> oic
[02:00] <supernix> I Know that one source that is in their says it is the universe collection
[02:01] <supernix> there*
[02:01] <McScruff> i updated by using the link in the topic
[02:03] <supernix> just curious will this update OpenOffice to 2.0 ?
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: probably not
[02:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> (phone call)
[02:07] <spiral> hmmm, about the qt4 link in topic, can it be used to upgrade qt in hoary ?
[02:07] <spiral> is there a repo I could add to my sources.list if so ?
[02:07] <supernix> LOL just my luck
[02:07] <supernix> 1.14 should be fine though
[02:08] <spiral> supernix: you could install ooo2 with the .debs available ?
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> 4 out supernix :o ok
[02:08] <supernix> ? what do you mean 4 out?
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: oo.o2 is in Breezy, but not Hoary
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1.1.4
[02:08] <supernix> OIC
[02:08] <supernix> my bad
[02:08] <spiral> supernix: you can install with the .debs in hoary... I do it
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> spiral: sorry i don't know about qt
[02:09] <spiral> Kamping_Kaiser: all right, maybe someone else ? ;-)
[02:09] <supernix> guys why do I keep getting a message about activating slow keys
[02:09] <supernix> DOes my pc think I am retarded ?
[02:09] <spiral> supernix: http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: sounds like it ;)
[02:10] <supernix> :-(
[02:11] <supernix> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:11] <supernix>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1_all.deb
[02:11] <supernix> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:11] <supernix> what is that all about ?
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> did you sudo it?
[02:12] <supernix> I was in root
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> any more to the error?
[02:12] <supernix> I did a sudo earlier while we were working on the source.list file and stayed there
[02:12] <supernix> nope that is all it gave me
[02:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok...
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> try running the apt-get dist-upgrade again, or apt-get -f install to see if that helps
[02:16] <supernix> well that time it ran and just finished back at the prompt no errors
[02:16] <supernix> kewl
[02:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool.
[02:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> sometimes it does that sort of thing
[02:17] <supernix> I was just thinking after seeing a font package I recall everyone fighting to get the MS fonts for thier WM
[02:17] <McScruff> how can i set samba up?
[02:17] <supernix> Now everything seems fine and like they have come up with their own fonts
[02:17] <skrible> wow, I love this cubuntu at this monet <3
[02:17] <lee> Hi! My Creative CT4810 soundcard doesn't work! Please help me.
[02:17] <skrible> Only what this need is fvwm2 whit nice confs :)
[02:18] <supernix> So Kamping_Kaiser do I need to logout and back in?
[02:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: did it change any kernel stuff?
[02:18] <supernix> I dont know
[02:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> if it just did KDE, logout, kill X and login agian
[02:19] <supernix> how can I find out ?
[02:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> was there any kernel-image or kernel-modules stuff as part of the upgrade?
[02:19] <lee> Can someone please help me?
[02:19] <supernix> so I logout then type kill X and then log back in by typing kde ?
[02:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> lee: sorry, i don't know
[02:19] <lee> Kamping_Kaiser: :(
[02:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: log out, hit ctrl+alt+backspace then when x comes up, log in agiain
[02:20] <supernix> ok
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> good luck
[02:21] <supernix> ty now im getting nervous
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:25] <lee> How can I find out what soundcard I am using?
[02:25] <js_> lspci
[02:26] <lee> Multimedia audio controller?
[02:26] <js_> yes
[02:26] <lee> ok
[02:26] <lee> thanks
[02:27] <lee> \I have two
[02:27] <lee> what does that mean?
[02:28] <supernix> uh oh
[02:28] <js_> have you got one on your motherboard and one in a pci slot?
[02:28] <supernix> first signs of trouble
[02:28] <supernix> going to media does not show the mounted drives or the unmounted
[02:30] <lee> ywa
[02:30] <lee> yes
[02:30] <lee> supernix, perhaps you disable kded whatever?
[02:31] <supernix> what is kded ?
[02:32] <coruja> for the 'german-reading': http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/technologie/0,1518,364354,00.html :)
[02:32] <supernix> hmm I followed the instructions on how to mount a drive on bootup but it did not work for some reason
[02:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> sata drive?
[02:33] <supernix> yea
[02:33] <supernix> Is that bad ?
[02:34] <othernoob> yes. nothing can be done for you :p
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> mines great supernix
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:34] <supernix> LOL crap
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> ata_piix
[02:34] <nikkia> gah
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's the only one i had to add to get my drive working
[02:34] <supernix> Come on now what can I do I followed the directions all except I substituded hda1 with sda1
[02:35] <supernix> what is ata_piix ?
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> you have added the sata modules?
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> >.<
[02:35] <supernix> ah
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's the sata "driver" for my system
[02:35] <supernix> Ok can I find those in Synaptic ?
[02:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> should be there, just add it to /etc/modules
[02:36] <supernix> I can mount the drive manually fine just when I did a reboot just then it would not mount it at boot time
[02:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> that might not be the one for your system, but give it a shot
[02:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, same
[02:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> but no more :D
[02:37] <othernoob> why would he need something extra if he can mount it just fine manually?
[02:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo echo "ata_piix" >> /etc/modules
[02:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> because it has to mount before hotplug
[02:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> don't ask me, i just work here :P
[02:37] <othernoob> lol
[02:38] <supernix> my drive is a WD SATA as I recall
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> (no, I'm not a dev)
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> use that driver - sos mine
[02:38] <othernoob> i didnt think you are ;) or else you'd probably have an answer ;)
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: do this "sudo echo "ata_piix" >> /etc/modules" and reboot, should "just work"
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> someone would have taken it that way
[02:39] <othernoob> but i just don't get it. i mean. what's done differently when mounting during bootup..
[02:39] <othernoob> besides time and place ;)
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> nothing
[02:40] <othernoob> exactly
[02:40] <othernoob> so why is there a need for something extra
[02:40] <supernix> gosh I keep getting permission denied
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's just the drive has to be loaded before hotplug
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> othernoob: all i know is this is how to fix it... for me
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm sure someone has written esseys about why and how, but for me, well fsck it!
[02:41] <othernoob> lol
[02:41] <othernoob> i'll never ever have sata so it doesn't really matter to me. was just curious
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: then sudo -s and then do the same thing from a root shell
[02:41] <othernoob> because it doesn't really make sense
[02:41] <supernix> use the command with the quotes ?
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think it's to do with when the module is initalised, but nfi about how
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> around ata_piix yes
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> put what your going to do here
[02:42] <supernix> ok now let me reboot again see how that works
[02:42] <supernix> echo "ata_piix" >> /etc/modules
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you clobbe the file your screwed :o
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> *clobber
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, cool
[02:42] <supernix> but I was root when I did that 
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> still cool
[02:42] <supernix> I did sudo -i first then the commands
[02:43] <supernix> gravy
[02:43] <supernix> Now I will give this puppy a whirl
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you had gone
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> echo "ata_piix" > /etc/modules
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> we would have a problem :o
[02:43] <supernix> Is it bad to mount a NTFS at boot time AKA security risk ?
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> gl supernix
[02:43] <othernoob> why would it be?
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: no, just don't alow write to it
[02:44] <supernix> Ok I didnt know if it might allow someone to read the contents of hte drive other than me
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> um...
[02:44] <othernoob> that depends on the permission
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> come again?
[02:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh well. we might see
[02:45] <othernoob> naa, he's gone for good :p
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P 
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> hahahaha
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> 60MB = all networks (IRC/icq/MSN/yahoo)
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> 57MB = IRC
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser>  :O
[02:47] <othernoob> why do you log it anyway
[02:47] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: mine are more like 340MB for irc, <1MB for MSN
[02:47] <supernix> Ok im back
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> LOL thanks nikkia ;)
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: bugger
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[02:48] <nikkia> of course, i have irc logs going back to 1994
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> :o omg
[02:48] <othernoob> nikkia what for?
[02:48] <nikkia> othernoob: what do you mean 'what for?'
[02:48] <supernix> CRAP it still did not work
[02:48] <othernoob> what do you have logs of 11 years for?
[02:48] <othernoob> what do you use em for
[02:48] <nikkia> its useful to be able to go back and see what someone said to you, or you to them
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, bingo
[02:49] <nikkia> othernoob: they're trivial to keep, i rarely use them, but they're useful to have
[02:49] <othernoob> but 11 years?
[02:49] <nikkia> othernoob: why not? they're incredibly trivial to keep
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> othernoob: don't question... those logs are historical value
[02:49] <othernoob> lol
[02:49] <supernix> Kamping_Kaiser, now what do I do it still did not work
[02:49] <othernoob> yes i'm sure, some day you'll find them in books.
[02:49] <nikkia> othernoob: let me put it this way...
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: you head over to ubuntuforums.org and have a search
[02:50] <nikkia> if i ever run into the pornstar i know from the net, i can prove she promised me a bit of lesbo sex
[02:50] <othernoob> alright, got you ;)
[02:50] <nikkia> altho, last time i spoke to her, she was planning on going to a convent!!
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol nikkia
[02:51] <othernoob> lol
[02:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_O
[02:51] <nikkia> (her life was in a mess, she was in a very abusive relationship, etc etc)
[02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> holliday?
[02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> somewhere she could walk around...
[02:51] <othernoob> would i happen to have seen her somewhere nikkia? ;)
[02:51] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: her boyfriend had screwed her career by making her overeat until she was tubby
[02:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[02:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ouch
[02:52] <othernoob> but there's tubby porn too :o
[02:52] <nikkia> he 'didn't like the idea of her being with other men' so wanted to force her out of her career
[02:53] <nikkia> anyway, enough of that off-topic-ness
[02:53] <nikkia> (although, she was a linux user!)
[02:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> naturalmon
[02:54] <othernoob> well, she was opensource, wasn't she nikkia ;)
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> ew
[02:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> gross
[02:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> finishes the last of his bacardi 151 >.<
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> what's that?
[02:58] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: you memorise tar files??
[02:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. no
[02:58] <nikkia> that is the most bizarre hobby i've ever heard :P
[02:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> a tar uncomresion
[02:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[02:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> passes time :P
[02:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> you know, those natives in som efar off jungle who will kill you unless you can tell them the coding for intels compiilers tar file... same old story 
[02:59] <nikkia> '3A....9F.....1C......5...5....5...B? *bang*'
[02:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> less install.sh
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.
[03:02] <othernoob> nikkia, would you happen to know an online store with dvorak keyboards for other languages than english?
[03:03] <nikkia> othernoob: nope
[03:03] <nikkia> othernoob: your best bet is to buy something like das keyboard and stick the keycaps on yourself
[03:03] <othernoob> das keyboard?
[03:03] <nikkia> google for it, its a keyboard with no legends
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> happy hacker :D get one of them
[03:04] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: urgh
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:04] <nikkia> i like my cursor keys and F keys, thank you very much
[03:04] <othernoob> fuck me, 80 $ for it :o
[03:04] <nikkia> now, if you were offering a LK451 i'd grab at it
[03:05] <nikkia> the only UK vendor sells only to businesses, he said if i ever need something from a company like that, let him know and they can open a business account with them
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> her bos o_0
[03:06] <nikkia> yes, its called employment
[03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> 0_o *her* boss o_0
[03:10] <supernix> hmmm I have kmail installed but can't find it in the menu
[03:16] <nikkia> urgh
[03:17] <nikkia> little round balls of silica everywhere
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> have fun
[03:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_O yer a gurl?
[03:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow i diden't know that O_O
[03:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no offence
[03:18] <supernix> ug just noticed that I can't find the personal information manager
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> LOL
[03:18] <nikkia> oh no, attack of the not-very-observant geeks :P
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> ChurcH_of_FoamY: i think she just dissed us...
[03:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i think so too :p
[03:19] <othernoob> no, just him Kaiser :p
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P good oh
[03:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what is this pick on Foamy day
[03:19] <nikkia> no, that's tomorrow, i'm just warming up
[03:19] <othernoob> you're an easy target ;)
[03:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> YOU WILL ALL FEEL MY SQUERRLY RATH!
[03:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> i wont... i wont be here :P
[03:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[03:20] <othernoob> nikkia, just curious, what do you do for a living?
[03:21] <nikkia> i'm a software engineer
[03:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats so cool
[03:21] <uniq> hello people.
[03:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> must be alot of work
[03:21] <othernoob> oh okay, i was always wondering how people are capable of being on irc while they're at work
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[03:22] <nikkia> othernoob: i work from home most of the time these days
[03:22] <nikkia> i have been known to tunnel a ssh connection to hide my irc session at work on really slow days tho
[03:23] <othernoob> sounds like i should become a software engineer as well. i don't like getting up in the morning :)
[03:23] <nikkia> othernoob: i tend to work harder when i'm working at home
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> honestly, what sort of slacker are you  :P
[03:23] <nikkia> instead of getting up at 7:30, idling til 8:30, getting to the office at 9, and then 'working', at home i tend to get up at 8, get coffee and start working at 8:10
[03:24] <othernoob> what the hell is wrong with you :p
[03:24] <nikkia> also, when i'm working at home, i tend to work thru til 7 most nights, and 11-3am other nights
[03:24] <othernoob> you..you love pcs dont you?
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> :q
[03:25] <nikkia> othernoob: i enjoy my job
[03:25] <nikkia> i was recently offered 5k+ to go work for a competitor, turned it down
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S that :q was supposed to be somwhere else
[03:25] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: repeat after me, irc is not vi, irc is not vi...
[03:25] <nikkia> (although irc CAN be emacs :)
[03:25] <othernoob> nikkia why did you turn it down?
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes boss :(
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:25] <nikkia> othernoob: wasn't interested in leaving my current job
[03:26] <othernoob> well of course..that's a valid reason
[03:26] <nikkia> othernoob: it was a bit weird tho
[03:26] <othernoob> why?
[03:26] <nikkia> at the time, my current employer was talking about closing the offices and moving, and i told them i had no interest in upping and moving somewhere else
[03:27] <nikkia> so i had to think a bit about whether i'd take the offer, it'd mean upping and moving too, but it would be more pay, and a cheaper area to live in, and that'd be ALMOST worth it
[03:27] <nikkia> in the end, my employer decided to 'not move far' anyway, although we still don't know where too
[03:28] <nikkia> if worst comes to the worst, there is a lack of decent talent in this industry anyway, so i could just call up the recruiter and tell him i want a new job, and i'd probably have something in a couple of weeks
[03:29] <othernoob> i see
[03:29] <othernoob> btw, since you're a soft.eng., would you happen to know Haskell?
[03:29] <nikkia> nope
[03:30] <othernoob> didn't think so.
[03:30] <nikkia> i keep meaning to look at it, but can never find the time
[03:30] <nikkia> scheme is my functional language of choice
[03:30] <othernoob> same here. even though i can find the time but not the interest.
[03:31] <othernoob> is scheme easy?
[03:31] <nikkia> reasonably easy
[03:31] <nikkia> if you can grasp functional programming
[03:32] <nikkia> it gets a bit hard when you try to use call/cc, but you can do most stuff without using call/cc
[03:33] <othernoob> not sure about that. so far, the only obvious pro for functional programming i could think of was learning recursion..
[03:33] <othernoob> and a lot less to type
[03:33] <nikkia> othernoob: some types of processing are just easier with functional languages
[03:34] <othernoob> yea i can understand that, but functional languages are slow and ressourcehungry
[03:34] <nikkia> depends what you're comparing them to, and trying to do
[03:34] <othernoob> then again. java appears to be ressourcehungry as well.
[03:35] <nikkia> my favourite approach is C/C++ for GUI/stuff that is used a lot, and embedded scheme for overall algorithm
[03:39] <nikkia> othernoob: and chicken's output seems to be fairly fast
[03:40] <nikkia> but chicken is more of a 'i've finished development and are sure i'm not going to change my code much' process
[03:40] <nikkia> (it converts scheme code into C code)
[03:41] <othernoob> i've only done c and java so far..and haskell..
[03:42] <nikkia> it'd take too long to list all the languages i feel reasonably comfortable using :)
[03:42] <othernoob> i have time and you're a fast at typing :p
[03:42] <othernoob> -a
[03:44] <nikkia> ok... C, java, C++, Objective-C, Ada, Smalltalk, Lisp, Scheme, Forth, Fortran, Cobol, prolog, Pascal, Modula-2, python, php, SQL
[03:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> :O
[03:44] <nikkia> out of those, i've programmed C, Java, C++, Scheme, python and Fortran commercially
[03:45] <othernoob> you consider sql a language?
[03:45] <nikkia> othernoob: yes
[03:45] <nikkia> when you start getting into stored procedures, its most definitely a language
[03:45] <jpatrick> C++ and PHP
[03:46] <nikkia> if all you touch is SELECT, INSERT and UPDATE, with an occasional CREATE TABLE, then no, that's not SQL as a language
[03:47] <jpatrick> C++ is okay...
[03:47] <nikkia> othernoob: and i didn't list the dozen or so assembler dialects i've used in that list either :)
[03:47] <othernoob> lol
[03:47] <nikkia> had to do some SH-3 assembler for my job just a few months ago, in fact
[03:48] <othernoob> how did you ever manage to learn all these languages
[03:48] <nikkia> othernoob: lots of time :)
[03:49] <othernoob> of course, but where did you find the time?
[03:49] <othernoob> i mean, a language isn't a 1month thing now is it
[03:49] <kalenedrael> sure it is
[03:50] <nikkia> othernoob: i learnt C in a little under 4 hours
[03:50] <kalenedrael> you can easily learn C in a month
[03:50] <nikkia> a month would be luxury
[03:50] <kalenedrael> i'm learning C
[03:50] <kalenedrael> currently i don't know what the fuck a pointer is, but it's only been a few days
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:51] <othernoob> well, i didn't mean the syntax and the basics.
[03:51] <nikkia> i sat down with 'A Book on C' at 1pm on sunday 22nd October 1989, and left the uni computer labs at 5pm feeling reasonably confident i knew C :)
[03:51] <othernoob> you sure have a dairy for that..lol
[03:52] <othernoob> diary*
[03:52] <nikkia> and i had a game of two of ularn that afternoon too, so it was less than 4 hours
[03:52] <jpatrick> I learnt C++ from a book
[03:53] <jpatrick> PHP though hacking my web forum
[03:53] <silas> hi
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[03:53] <jpatrick> hi
[03:53] <silas> hey, do you know the kubuntu initialization script?
[03:53] <silas> where can i find it?
[03:53] <kalenedrael> what init script?
[03:54] <kalenedrael> which init script?
[03:54] <silas> on slack, /etc/rc.d/rc.local
[03:54] <kalenedrael> there are scripts everywhere
[03:54] <kalenedrael> ah
[03:54] <silas> but on kubuntu, I don't know.
[03:54] <kalenedrael> yes, it should be there
[03:54] <nikkia> silas: [k] ubuntu uses the SysV approach to rc scripts
[03:54] <kalenedrael> it's in /etc/rc*.d
[03:54] <nikkia> ie, /etc/inittab spawns off processing of the contents of /etc/rc<runlevel>.d
[03:55] <silas> there is a lot of rc*.d
[03:55] <nikkia> silas, the default runlevel is 2
[03:55] <kalenedrael> yeah
[03:55] <silas> ah
[03:55] <nikkia> hence, /etc/rc2.d is the one that is of most interest to you
[03:55] <silas> so I can put my scripts at runlevel 2
[03:55] <kalenedrael> yeah
[03:55] <othernoob> nikkia, what did you program when you were learning? my main problem with learning a language is that i don't know what to do. 
[03:55] <silas> all in rc2.d would be executed?
[03:55] <nikkia> othernoob: depends on which language you're referring to
[03:56] <silas> so do I have just to put my script in rc2.d?
[03:56] <jpatrick> othernoob: I just did what the book told me to do
[03:56] <silas> shell script
[03:56] <nikkia> othernoob: with C, i mostly just went thru the book's tutorials, then started porting the adventure game i'd written in DEC Pascal, to play as a MUD written in C
[03:56] <silas> ok. thx. see ya!
[03:57] <nikkia> the adventure was always supposed to be multi-user, but it was just too hard to do on VMS with Pascal
[03:57] <nikkia> which was part of the reason why i wanted to learn C and port it to the ultrix systems we had
[03:57] <nikkia> tcp sockets are a *lot* easier to do a multi-user game with than VMS's mailboxes :)
[03:59] <othernoob> well, i've done the things suggested in my java book for example. but afterwards..well..yea..all i could think of was a calculator..
[03:59] <othernoob> a lottery simulator..
[03:59] <othernoob> and yea that was that..
[03:59] <othernoob> i mean, without someone telling me what to do.
[04:00] <jpatrick> restarr brb
[04:00] <nikkia> othernoob: for the first 'non-taught' language i learnt, Fortran, i set myself a goal of writing a simulator for a satellite launching system
[04:08] <othernoob> mmh, i assume that requires knowledge about how a sat.launch.sys works
[04:08] <nikkia> othernoob: no, it required a book on orbital mechanics from the library :)
[04:08] <othernoob> lol
[04:08] <othernoob> close enough :)
[04:08] <nikkia> the basic principles of how a guided rocket works aren't that hard to figure out
[04:08] <nikkia> the hard part is knowing what orbit you need, etc
[04:11] <othernoob> i study computer science but am thinking of ditching it, since i don't know what to do with it. it's not that it's too difficult to learn, just that i don't see the practical use of it
[04:24] <antrix> i just downloaded kubuntu hoary iso.. but can't find a blank cd to burn :(
[04:24] <antrix> i remember reading somewhere that grub can boot from an iso using chainloader
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry, not sending you one
[04:25] <nikkia> i don't think that's technically a bug report :P
[04:25] <antrix> anyone knows how exactly that works ?
[04:25] <antrix> :) not asking for CD
[04:25] <nikkia> antrix: i suspect you can just tell it the location of the .iso and do the normal 'boot from an unsupported disk format' like you do with windows, ie, chainloader +1
[04:26] <antrix> so 'root (hd0,0)/cd.iso' followed by 'chainloader +1' ?
[04:26] <nikkia> umm, perhaps
[04:27] <nikkia> i'm not sure it'd work tho really
[04:27] <antrix> why not? 
[04:27] <nikkia> it might find the kernel, and perhaps even load it, but then where's the kernel/installer going to find the stuff from the CD from ?
[04:27] <antrix> hmm
[04:28] <antrix> ok.. at least if it boots, it'll be worth it. nice trick to know :)
[04:28] <nikkia> surely there is somewhere there that sells blank CDs on a sunday ? can't you just wait til morning ?
[04:29] <antrix> wait? :)
[04:29] <nikkia> antrix, its 10pm there, right?
[04:29] <nikkia> or are you not really in singapore ?
[04:29] <antrix> nikkia: 10:30 actually.. and yes, singapore
[04:29] <nikkia> well, there you go then, get an early night, and go buy some CDs in the morning :P
[04:30] <nikkia> i'm sure somewhere there sells them on sunday, it is, after all, one of the most technically advanced cities in the world :)
[04:30] <antrix> :))
[04:30] <antrix> thing is, i installed suse 9.3 a couple of days ago.. and for some reason sound doesn't work
[04:30] <buz> ive seen them at gas statsions even lately
[04:31] <antrix> and i've got these movies rented which i have to return tomorrow :(
[04:31] <othernoob> rip em then ;)
[04:31] <antrix> ooh.. be a pirate, huh? ;)
[04:31] <nikkia> antrix, its 'caching' not piracy :)
[04:31] <antrix> :D
[04:31] <othernoob> exactly lol
[04:32] <nikkia> as long as you delete the .vobs as soon as you've watched them, i don't see the problem
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> LOL nikkia
[04:32] <othernoob> but.. what makes you think sound will work in kubuntu?
[04:32] <antrix> so i go watch TV now? no way!
[04:33] <antrix> oh,, sound has always worked on this machine.. it's an onboard ac97
[04:33] <stibby> i have that
[04:33] <antrix> some reason.. suse 9.3 it didn't work
[04:33] <stibby> yep; kubuntu detects it
[04:33] <antrix> i was using ubuntu before suse.. worked out of the box
[04:33] <stibby> antrix: what is the name of your motherboard
[04:33] <antrix> it's a laptop.. ibm r40
[04:33] <stibby> oh
[04:34] <antrix> aaron seigo hangs out in #kubuntu.. that's cool
[04:34] <stibby> yeah
[04:34] <stibby> we were talking to him last night :)
[04:35] <antrix> he's running kubuntu or just checking out?
[04:35] <stibby> probably just helping us for our kde problems
[04:35] <stibby> he's probably running hard core debian or gentoo
[04:35] <antrix> :-)
[04:36] <antrix> how's state of breezy? as in dist-upgrading from hoary will not land me in hell will it?
[04:36] <uniq> you'll have to change some config files and stuff to make it work.
[04:36] <stibby> what is different in breezy?
[04:36] <antrix> uniq: make what work?
[04:37] <antrix> stibby: for one, i think everything is gcc 4 compiled.. so speed!
[04:37] <uniq> antrix: X 
[04:38] <antrix> uniq: u mean X is broken in breezy?
[04:38] <stibby> can someone describe to me briefly what KDE Plasma is, and what it looks like? The website doesn't really give a list of its features
[04:38] <antrix> stibby: plasma is more like a framework 
[04:38] <othernoob> anyone ever played uplink?
[04:38] <antrix> stibby: both technical framework and social framework
[04:39] <antrix> stibby: to get great functional desktop interfaces and eyecandy into kde 4
[04:39] <uniq> antrix: directly from dist-upgrade, yes.
[04:40] <antrix> uniq: oh. but installing from daily install snapshot CDs looks unlikely.. there some list of uninstallable packages 
[04:45] <stibby> http://www.fcps.edu/RobinsonSS/ could you make a site uglier than that if you even tried?
[04:46] <nikkia> othernoob: yes, i've played it, a long time ago
[04:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> stibby: if i tried yes, sure.
[04:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> making use of <blink>
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> and <scroll>
[04:47] <othernoob> is it fun? i haven't played much in the past few years..mainly some RTS (right now dune2000) and some egoshooters (delta force2, doom3-what a waste of time)
[04:47] <nikkia> othernoob: 'BS Hacker' is cheaper, tho, and comes with the source code
[04:48] <othernoob> and the same?
[04:48] <nikkia> very similar
[04:49] <nikkia> if anything, BS Hacker is more realistic
[04:49] <nikkia> http://www.exosyphen.com/page_bshacker.html
[04:50] <nikkia> uplink is full of pseudo nonsense, like 'buying cryogenic coolers for your computers to make it harder for the authorities to trace you'
[04:51] <othernoob> but it's available for linux ;)
[04:51] <nikkia> thats true :/
[04:51] <othernoob> don't be sad. there's crap available for win too :p
[04:51] <nikkia> given that the developer CD of BS Hacker includes source.... you could port it :)
[04:52] <othernoob> is that allowed?
[04:52] <nikkia> and being fairly simple DX7, i bet it works under wine anyway
[04:53] <insanekane> hi stibby ... did it work in the end ?
[04:55] <jpatrick> Has anyone here used Crossover?
[04:57] <nikkia> othernoob: from a quick glance at the forums on their site, the author of BS Hacker wants to write a linux version anyway
[05:00] <othernoob> goody, then i shall wait.
[05:00] <antrix> nikkia: what's bs hacker? url please!
[05:00] <nikkia> [15:49:39]  <nikkia> http://www.exosyphen.com/page_bshacker.html
[05:00] <nikkia> antrix: its a 'hacking simulation' game
[05:00] <othernoob> bloody hell, you're a brit :o
[05:00] <nikkia> othernoob: what makes you say that?
[05:01] <othernoob> the time 
[05:01] <twidget> nikkia: you have that URI from yesterday?
[05:01] <nikkia> oh
[05:01] <nikkia> twidget: which one? the configuring sound thing?
[05:01] <twidget> yes
[05:01] <othernoob> so, are you a brit or not? :/
[05:01] <nikkia> http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[05:01] <nikkia> othernoob: yes
[05:01] <antrix> nikkia: so u hack windows servers in the windows version and linux boxes in the upcoming linux port ? ;-)
[05:02] <othernoob> i thought you were american :/
[05:03] <jpatrick> I'm a Brit :)
[05:10] <jpatrick> Can I use Vmware to run the ISO file?
[05:10] <twidget> Why can't I upgrade kdenetwork, kdenetwork-filesharing and kwifimanager using kynaptic?
[05:15] <twidget> Also, I've installed firestarter, but I don't see it anywhere.
[05:25] <mattr> Riddell: ping
[05:29] <uniq> nikkia: since you're the software engineer here.. could you fixe me a nxviewer for ppc? it gives nasty errors on compile, and i just want it to work :)
[05:29] <nikkia> uniq, don't have a ppc machine anymore
[05:30] <uniq> not good.
[05:32] <uniq> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/310039
[05:33] <McScruff> has anyon ever compiled amsn from cvs?
[05:34] <Fraeon> There is no CVS.
[05:34] <McScruff> Latest CVS snapshot
[05:34] <McScruff> ..
[05:35] <Fraeon> Er, not myself. Been completely satisfied with Kopete
[05:35] <uniq> i'm going home. later people.
[05:35] <McScruff> cya
[05:37] <nikkia> damned weather
[05:37] <nikkia> this morning it was cold, grey and looked like it was going to rain, now its too hot
[05:41] <twidget> Anyone help me get a LAME encoder properly configured in Grip?
[05:42] <twidget> Pleeeease?
[05:44] <_shawn> why don't you just use KAudioCreator?
[05:44] <twidget> haha, Where it says 'Enc: Idle" it looks like it says "Eric Idle"
[05:45] <twidget> oh... okay
[05:45] <_shawn> lol I donno I've never tried Grip, just a suggestion
[05:46] <_shawn> you just want to rip a cd right?
[05:47] <mattr> how do i switch between the nvidia opengl implementation and the xorg one?
[05:47] <twidget> _shawn: yes. I'm doing it in KAudioCreator now
[05:47] <McScruff> has anyone heard of METISSE 
[05:47] <twidget> Matisse? The artist?
[05:48] <McScruff> no
[05:48] <McScruff> im looking for a 3d desktop
[05:49] <McScruff> http://linuxreviews.org/features/3ddesktop/
[05:49] <McScruff> http://desk3d.sourceforge.net/faq.php <<this is the one
[05:49] <McScruff> ooo
[05:52] <antrix> twidget: what's the problem with grip + lame?
[05:53] <twidget> KAudioCreator seems to be stalled at 1%, Grip says I don't have the LAME encoder properly configured.
[05:54] <antrix> twidget: in grip's config.. where you specify the lame encoder.. give full path to encoder
[05:54] <twidget> I wondered about that!
[05:55] <twidget> know what that is?
[05:55] <antrix> twidget: yeah.. not intuitive. i was stumped myself six months ago. it's so lame that i can never forget it ;)
[05:55] <antrix> twidget: on a commandline, type 'which lame'
[05:56] <twidget> command line or konsole? or are they the same thing?
[05:56] <twidget> because I did it and saw nothing
[05:56] <_shawn> humm you must not have lame installed right
[05:57] <_shawn> I just tried it on my comp and it worked
[05:57] <twidget> okay... hang on
[05:57] <antrix> command line, konsole, anything which gives access to 'command line interface'
[05:58] <twidget>  /usr/bin/lame
[05:58] <antrix> type that in grip
[06:00] <twidget> there it goes! thanks
[06:00] <antrix> it started ripping?
[06:00] <twidget> yes
[06:00] <antrix> ok
[06:01] <antrix> here's a bonus tip for you.. somewhere in the rip settings, you'll find an option for error checking/correction
[06:01] <antrix> disable that.. and watch rip speeds multiply :)
[06:01] <mattr> anybody in here on breezy yet?
[06:01] <twidget> disable scratch detection and repair?
[06:02] <antrix> yes
[06:02] <antrix> twidget: yes
[06:03] <nikkia> erk
[06:04] <rarn> hi, is anyone able to get hplip_toolbox working?
[06:05] <twidget> Do I really want underscores?
[06:05] <nikkia> my god, why is copying files in KDE so slow ?
[06:06] <nikkia> Copying 22.3MB / 216MB    32KB/s
[06:06] <twidget> What's encode "nice" value mean?
[06:07] <_shawn> how can I get oggenc in kubuntu?
[06:07] <nikkia> twidget: nice values suggest a priority to run the process at
[06:07] <nikkia> twidget: -20 == fastest, 20 = slowest
[06:07] <nikkia> notice i said 'suggest'
[06:08] <twidget> ah
[06:08] <nikkia> twidget, 0 is the default, and the 'fastest' a user can set a process to
[06:08] <nikkia> anything below 0 requires root to set the nice value
[06:08] <Fraeon> Eh, where are you copying your files when it's that slow?
[06:08] <rory> anyone familiar will apt-indicator in kubuntu?
[06:08] <nikkia> Fraeon: from a folder, TO fonts:/Personal/
[06:08] <twidget> I'm just not so sure I want underscores in my filenames
[06:08] <antrix> nikkia: copying from reiser partition to fat32 partition on same drive right now.. getting ~ 1.8 MB/s
[06:09] <nikkia> i'm guessing the kio slave for fonts:/ is absolutely terrible :)
[06:09] <antrix> nikkia: try copying to ~/.fonts then :)
[06:09] <nikkia> antrix, too late now :/
[06:10] <nikkia> (and yes, its my windows XP fonts directory, to see if it stops cedega having far too small fonts
[06:10] <antrix> nikkia, my copy rate shot up to 7 MB/s for a big file
[06:11] <nikkia> antrix, this is getting 32KB/s *max*
[06:11] <nikkia> most of the time its more like 3-4KB/s, then it stalls every few seconds
[06:11] <antrix> time for a bug report against fonts:/ :)
[06:11] <twidget> Pretty easy to install http://netdragon.sourceforge.net ?
[06:11] <_shawn> ah it's in vorbis-tools
[06:11] <antrix> btw, media:/ is also broken i think
[06:11] <Fraeon> Pffff...superkaramba
[06:11] <Fraeon> A bunch of useless toys
[06:12] <nikkia> hmmm, copying to .fonts was instant
[06:13] <antrix> in media:/ moving files from one folder to another will trigger a copy followed my a delete :-/
[06:13] <nikkia> it hasn't fixed cedega tho :/
[06:13] <nikkia> and in fact, now cedega can't display text, at all
[06:14] <antrix> this is cedega install, or post install?
[06:14] <nikkia> post install
[06:14] <antrix> i remember at least crossover office had a install fonts utility
[06:16] <ztonzy> apokryphos: hey :) 
[06:17] <apokryphos> Hi there. How's it going?
[06:19] <nikkia> bingo
[06:20] <antrix> nikkia: how?
[06:21] <nikkia> antrix, i wiped my cedega install, then copied the fonts *only* to .fonts
[06:21] <nikkia> putting the windows fonts in ~/.transgaming_global/Fonts seemed to confuse it
[06:25] <nikkia> when i say 'cedega install' there, i mean my .transgaming and .transgaming_global  dirs, not the whole install
[06:26] <antrix> yeah.. i figured
[06:28] <antrix> ok... i am gonna reboot and try installing kubuntu from the iso
[06:29] <ztonzy> apokryphos: fine thanks...starting to ditch FF...it is so damn slow...using Konqueror as much as I can now, faster, too bad it crashes now and then
[06:30] <apokryphos> I must be fortunate -- never had problems with Konqueror.
[06:30] <apokryphos> I use Opera sometimes now, though. It's really sweet
[06:30] <ztonzy> apokryphos: well it feels as if it wants to crash often
[06:30] <apokryphos> browser-wise, it's the best I've seen by quite a bit. Shame that it's not KDE-based
[06:31] <azol> hi all. is it possible to create cd's from ubuntu mirror like debian-cd does it in debian?
[06:32] <ztonzy> mattr: :)  I have moved from xchat --> konversation...
[06:32] <mattr> ztonzy: both are decent.
[06:32] <ztonzy> too bad there's no ready 'themes' for different chatstyles...like dark or light 
[06:32] <ztonzy> mattr: yes
[06:33] <mattr> as long as it's not kopete's IRC, it's all good. ;)
[06:34] <nikkia> well, ok, i have a place for irssi when i'm on my laptop which isn't really fast enough to run KDE for much more than konsole + FF
[06:34] <mattr> i'm not slamming support kopete has for IRC. I just don't understand why people would use an IM client for IRC
[06:34] <mattr> IM != IRC
[06:35] <nikkia> mattr, some people like irc to be contexted with IM, dunno why
[06:35] <nikkia> mattr, i know people that use irc<>jabber gateways for example
[06:35] <mattr> nikkia: yeah, me neither
[06:35] <nikkia> hmmm, wish this battery would hurry up and finish charging
[06:36] <twidget> nikkia: any way to fix the whole "my screen is b0rked after 30 minutes of use" thing?
[06:36] <nikkia> twidget: huh?
[06:36] <twidget> graphics getting messed up
[06:37] <nikkia> sounds like a bad X driver
[06:37] <nikkia> probably VESA, which is terrible
[06:37] <twidget> scroll bars looking like television static
[06:37] <nikkia> didn't you say you have an nforce2 board?
[06:37] <twidget> force4
[06:37] <nikkia> i'd strongly recommend installing the nvidia binary drivers for the nForce* stuff then
[06:38] <nikkia> assuming you're using the onboard video
[06:38] <twidget> I am
[06:38] <twidget> Mind a little handholding?
[06:38] <twidget> May I do it in kynaptic?
[06:39] <nikkia> twidget, i don't know about the nforce drivers
[06:39] <twidget> or is this something entirely different?
[06:39] <penguinboy> afternoon geeks and nerds!!!
[06:39] <nikkia> they're easy to install from nvidia's site anyway
[06:39] <nikkia> twidget: go here:  http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.0-0301.html
[06:39] <nikkia> and follow the steps
[06:39] <twidget> as always, thanks
[06:40] <nikkia> except where it says 'as root ... sh ....' assume it means 'sudo sh ...'
[06:40] <twidget> ha, I have to log out in order to see them :)
[06:40] <nikkia> you MAY need to install linux-headers first
[06:40] <nikkia> in fact, you almost certainly will
[06:40] <nikkia> so do that now
[06:41] <twidget> okay... todo on that available?
[06:41] <nikkia> actually
[06:41] <nikkia> it doesn't include the video driver anyway 
[06:41] <nikkia> but i still think you'd have better networking/audio with the binary driver
[06:41] <nikkia> this page is the video driver:
[06:41] <nikkia> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-7667.html
[06:42] <nikkia> the steps are pretty much the same, and you need linux-headers for that
[06:43] <penguinboy> hey hey hey sproingie !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:43] <fladd> hello
[06:43] <penguinboy> hey fladd
[06:44] <fladd> has anyone an indea how to make samba work? in controlcenter it is just greyed out.
[06:45] <nikkia> fladd, install the samba server :)
[06:45] <twidget> Okay, I've downloaded it, and I've got a Konsole open
[06:45] <nikkia> kubuntu only installs the client samba stuff by default
[06:45] <fladd> well, just happend: install samba and install smfs
[06:45] <nikkia> once you have the samba server installed and running (i think installing it runs it by default, otherwise sudo /etc/init.d/samba start)  the options in kcontrol should be there
[06:46] <nikkia> twidget, first off, you need linux-headers, so 'sudo apt-get install linux-headers'
[06:46] <penguinboy> make way for the amazing Mez!!!
[06:46] <fladd> * Starting Samba daemons..                                   [fail] 
[06:46] <Mez> o_O
[06:46] <fladd> strange...
[06:46] <nikkia> penguinboy: he can't be that amazing if he lives in birmingham :P
[06:46] <penguinboy> lol
[06:46] <penguinboy> an Alabama Boy
[06:47] <penguinboy> 502!
[06:47] <nikkia> penguinboy: no, the other birmingham, the worse one :P
[06:47] <penguinboy> oh
[06:47] <penguinboy> ya that i sbad
[06:47] <fladd> seems that the samba server cannot be started...for any reason...
[06:48] <nikkia> fladd, dunno why that'd be
[06:48] <fladd> me neither :-)
[06:49] <fladd> just tried to start it and that messege showed up
[06:49] <fladd> do i have to set anything special up first? before it will run?
[06:49] <nikkia> shouldn't have to
[06:50] <fladd> mmh...
[06:51] <nikkia> fladd, you'll have to look at the logs and see why its failing
[06:51] <fladd> which logs, or better to ask, where to find them?
[06:52] <nikkia> erm, /var/log/syslog  might hold some answers, there's also /var/log/samba/log.smbd and log.nmbd
[06:55] <fladd> oh, problem is, it was already running, so i tried restarting, howerver, in controlcenter still everything is greyed out
[06:56] <nikkia> fladd, try kdesu kcontrol
[06:57] <fladd> courser just jumos to next line after i inuput my password in the box that showed up, but no contlorcenter opens
[06:58] <fladd> when i click on "systemadministration mode" in controlcenter (hope it is labeld like this in the english version) then it brings me back to the network settings overview, but clicking on samba it is still greyed out
[07:00] <twidget> nikkia: My motherboard: http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket939/a8nsli-d/overview.htm, my video card: http://usa.asus.com/products/vga/en6600/overview.htm
[07:03] <fladd> oh, tried kdesu again and it worked. any idea how to replace the link to normal ckontrol with this one? i mean normally you need su rights being in kcontrol
[07:14] <othernoob> (quit
[07:14] <othernoob> whoops
[07:14] <twidget> I wonder if someone could do a little hand-holding with me? My motherboard is http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket939/a8nsli-d/overview.htm, my video card is http://usa.asus.com/products/vga/en6600/overview.htm, I'm running Kubuntu Linux and need to update my drivers. Help?
[07:20] <Bigglez> .
[07:23] <Bigglez> Anyone have sound troubles?
[07:23] <gdh> Pardon? :)
[07:23] <Bigglez> Artsd vs Oss
[07:23] <gdh> nm :)
[07:24] <Bigglez> In Kubu I have sounds in KDE apps, but games like Tuxracer etc = no sound unless I killall artsd
[07:24] <nikkia> you need to setup dmix
[07:24] <Bigglez> dmix?
[07:25] <nikkia> see step 8 here:  http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[07:25] <Bigglez> thanks nikkia - brb
[07:26] <Bigglez> Ok - I see it's about sound in Gnome - is that still applicable to KDE in kubuntu?
[07:26] <nikkia> step 8 is
[07:26] <nikkia> the rest isn't
[07:26] <nikkia> you need to setup dmix for alsa, then programs such as artsd/etc can share the sound driver
[07:27] <Bigglez> Ok - I'm off to try that. Thanks again.
[07:31] <fladd> is there any advantage to use the sources.list from the kubuntu faq instead of the one from ubuntuguide.org?
[07:37] <basse> devs alive?
[07:38] <basse> or, Riddell 
[07:38] <gdh> haha :)
[07:46] <ztonzy> basse: !
[07:47] <basse> omg, it's YOU!
[07:49] <jpatrick> okay...
[07:51] <bccs> does wine comes with kubuntu?
[07:51] <seth_k> yep
[07:51] <seth_k> sudo aptitude install wine
[07:51] <jpatrick> no - I think
[07:52] <seth_k> jpatrick: good point, "comes with" is relative
[07:52] <seth_k> bccs: not installed by default
[07:52] <seth_k> bccs: but is just a command away
[07:53] <bccs> is it on restricted, or somewhere else? or the only option is to get the sources a build them?
[07:54] <basse> kubuntu "comes with" not much in it. 
[07:54] <seth_k> bccs: it is in universe, and there are binaries available
[07:55] <basse> seth_k: what you want to run?
[07:56] <bccs> a have universe enabled in my souces.list, but couldn't find Wine on synaptc o kynaptic. What am i doing wrong?
[07:56] <bccs> I have...
[07:56] <seth_k> basse: ? I'm not the one who needs wine, it's bccs...
[07:56] <seth_k> bccs: did you do a Reload in (s|k)ynaptic?
[07:57] <basse> seth_k: you are right. 
[07:58] <bccs> yeap. long ago.
[07:58] <basse> wine never works, and if it does, it's evil anyways. 
[07:58] <gdh> I wish useful apps would start being released for .NET :)
[07:58] <gdh> I am very impressed with Mono and its Windows.Forms support.
[07:59] <bccs> In my work, i have to do some Delphi programming, but i want to use kubunto. Wine is my only option.
[07:59] <seth_k> bccs: post your sources.list to pastebin please
[08:00] <basse> bccs: if in your work, you hve to use delphi, I suggest, you use win32 for that.
[08:00] <basse> bccs: i used to do delphi myself.
[08:00] <basse> delphi is windows programming language. there is no point on running it on linux
[08:02] <bccs> I guess so. It's just that i spend 8 to 10 hours using that desktop at work, i just wanted it to be KDE, instead of Windows
[08:02] <bccs> :(
[08:02] <basse> bccs: python + pykde
[08:02] <bccs> guess i'd better change job
[08:03] <bccs> dunno what pykde is. let me see...
[08:03] <gdh> bccs: Alternatively you could look at qemu / vmware to run Windows inside Linux if Wine is being dicky?
[08:03] <seth_k> gdh++
[08:04] <bccs> yeap. will check it out.
[08:04] <basse> there is however, freepascal 
[08:05] <Fraeon> I'm looking at python and albatross since I've seen how unsuitable php is for my use. :P
[08:05] <basse> and lazarus
[08:05] <gdh> I guess if you're using Delphi then it'll have a billion custom libraries
[08:05] <buz> iiiiew pascal
[08:05] <gdh> like the frightful UI elements for OK/Cancel the green tick and red X, etc.
[08:05] <buz> maybe you could compile it with kylix tho
[08:06] <basse> buz: kylix is pascla
[08:06] <basse> pascal
[08:06] <bccs> nah. I'm not using CLX.
[08:06] <buz> yeah
[08:06] <buz> but it really is the delphi to linux port
[08:06] <bccs> pascal + qt
[08:06] <basse> if you want linux delphi, you go with freepascal+lazarus
[08:06] <buz> as delphi isn't really pascal
[08:06] <basse> but what you really want is pyKDE ofcourse ;)
[08:07] <buz> is there java kde?
[08:07] <basse> eeew. you said java
[08:07] <buz> i love python, but the language seriously should have static typing
[08:07] <bccs> basse: in a nutshell, what's is pyKDE?
[08:07] <buz> python + kde
[08:07] <basse> bccs: python (programming language) bindings to KDE
[08:07] <buz> and after getting used to eclipse, you don't wanna use a normal editor for development either
[08:08] <bccs> buz, what do you call "normal editor" ?
[08:08] <buz> something like kedit or kate
[08:08] <buz> not some beast like emacs ;)
[08:11] <basse> buz: install python+eric3+pykde packes.
[08:11] <basse> whoops
[08:11] <basse> bccs that is
[08:13] <bccs> are you saing i should rewrite my apps using python, to have platform idenpendency?
[08:13] <basse> bccs: either that, or use freepascal+lazarus
[08:13] <gdh> If you were going to rewrite anything, I'd think C# would be a more obvious choice :)
[08:14] <basse> bccs: its a whole new programming language, so if you dojnt want to go that road, I understand
[08:14] <basse> dojngt=going
[08:14] <bccs> i guess c# is a better choice too...
[08:14] <basse> i dont
[08:15] <bccs> why?
[08:15] <basse> python took me 2 days to get familiar with
[08:16] <basse> scripted language.. it's fantastic.  I hate compiling
[08:16] <bccs> is there any RAD tool for python?
[08:17] <basse> hmm.. perhaps wxPython?
[08:18] <basse> it had IDE.. dont remember what it was called tho
[08:18] <gdh> C# instantly gives you MonoDevelop on Linux and Visual Studio on Windows - problem solved :)
[08:18] <aseigo> kdevelop =)
[08:19] <aseigo> gdh: ugh. VS is such crap
[08:20] <gdh> aseigo: I was waiting for the first person to say that :)
[08:20] <bccs> Delhi 2005 is worst. :)
[08:20] <aseigo> gdh: well, it's true =)
[08:20] <aseigo> gdh: i don't understand those people who rave about it. obviously they've never used anything else. or maybe they've used shittier tools on windows. but.. whatever. it's crap =)
[08:21] <gdh> aseigo: I have no real opinion since I'm not a coder - I'm just trying to setup a development environment for our devels... Windows /VS / IIS on localhost... Mono + Apache + Debian servers...
[08:21] <aseigo> oh, and monodevelop is pretty young as well... at least the last time i looked at it
[08:21] <aseigo> C# web app?
[08:21] <bccs> gdh: how are things going?
[08:22] <gdh> bccs: I'm only starting out, since suddenly I have half a dozen new technologies to deal with..
[08:22] <gdh> bccs: Initial .NET / Mono interop tests are looking good, and there is good SVN support in VS.NET
[08:22] <gdh> bccs: Lots of docs available for integrating things / pitfalls to be aware of.
[08:23] <aseigo> gdh: have you got ankh working properly in vs.net?
[08:23] <aseigo> gdh: we've yet to get it working nicely ... 
[08:23] <gdh> aseigo: Yes, web app. We've come to the decision that our PHP web app is a hunk of shit and we need to start again.
[08:23] <gdh> aseigo: That's roughly the point I've reached now...
[08:24] <gdh> aseigo: Except I've never used SVN before (only CVS) and we have no actual C# codebase to work from yet :)
[08:24] <aseigo> svn's not that much different.
[08:24] <aseigo> and a lot better =)
[08:24] <shogouki> i've just made a little app with pyqt and its soo easy and confortable to use python and qtdesigner :)
[08:24] <aseigo> best of luck with your project. takes balls to start from scratch using technologies you have little experience with. =)
[08:25] <gdh> I like the idea of C# and .NET a lot since the same includes / modules we use for the web app could let us throw together a desktop UI app that runs on Mac/windows/linux very quickly :)
[08:25] <gdh> Hopefully C# will also make it harder for our coders to write shit code.
[08:26] <aseigo> oh, there is no language that can do that
[08:26] <aseigo> how versed are they in OO devel?
[08:26] <gdh> aseigo: Not at all. 
[08:26] <gdh> aseigo: Hence 'PHP piece of junk'
[08:26] <aseigo> ahahahahahaa
[08:26] <aseigo> yeah, C# won't save you then
[08:26] <gdh> the code is about 6 years old...
[08:26] <aseigo> since it's much more OO than PHP ...
[08:27] <gdh> the very worst kind of organic growth
[08:27] <aseigo> if you don't grok OO you'll end up with even more crap
[08:27] <gdh> it was a 6-month hack that just went crazy
[08:27] <bccs> they'd better some OO background first
[08:27] <gdh> aseigo: That's half the hope... that if our coders can't adjust their mindset, we'll change the coders....
[08:27] <bccs> get some
[08:28] <aseigo> gdh: why not just change the coders now? =P
[08:28] <bccs> gdh: is it a ISV?
[08:28] <aseigo> seriously though.. at the very least, bring someone in who has OO experience
[08:28] <bccs> gdh: How many coders?
[08:28] <gdh> aseigo: They're nice guys and we want to give them a chance because they understand the current code inside out :)
[08:28] <gdh> bccs: 5
[08:29] <gdh> aseigo: Yes, we're looking at a programming team manager who can actually code, not some useless middleman who only 'thinks outside the box' etc.
[08:29] <gdh> bccs: I don't know what an ISV is.
[08:29] <bccs> gdh: if you have only 5 coders, that can't change their mindset, you better change than.
[08:29] <aseigo> independant software vendor
[08:29] <gdh> does it get many miles to the gallon? 
[08:29] <gdh> ;)
[08:29] <gdh> No, in-house coding team
[08:30] <gdh> for www.laterooms.com :)
[08:30] <gdh> (I'm sysadmin)
[08:31] <bccs> gdh: what's wrong with your current implementation?
[08:31] <aseigo> apparently it's a piece of crap
[08:31] <gdh> bccs: Too fragile, built as a short-term hack, we also want to investigate C# as an interesting new thing to expand the horizons of our coders
[08:32] <bccs> gdh, nice
[08:32] <gdh> I would love for a DBA to come in and give us a propeer database schema than the house of cards we have now :)
[08:32] <aseigo> imho, the last reason to adopt a new language for a production proudct is to expand the horizons of your coders
[08:32] <gdh> aseigo: It cuts both ways - if they learn new skills and move on, that eliminates the need for us to move them on :)
[08:33] <gdh> and at the same time, we retain their knowledge of the legacy codebase
[08:33] <aseigo> gdh: so you're paying them to leave? while they struggle with a bunch of new concepts?
[08:33] <bccs> gdh: it'd not be that easy for just move them on, would it?
[08:33] <aseigo> gdh: and really, i'd be more concerned for the product than HR issues
[08:33] <gdh> bccs: More uncomfortable than anything else. Mind it wouldn't be my call...
[08:34] <gdh> Either way, it's not me that pays them, so it doesn't affect me.
[08:34] <gdh> *my day to day work
[08:34] <bccs> gdh: is the app well documented? are they using UML or anything else?
[08:35] <aseigo> bccs: it's php
[08:35] <gdh> bccs: LOL
[08:35] <aseigo> bccs: when's the last time you heard of a php website using UML ;)
[08:35] <bccs> never, i guess
[08:36] <apokryphos> Friday 13th, November 04 21:18 pm
[08:36] <gdh> bccs: Let me give you some context... until about 6 months ago, everyone had the live server codebase mounted as a samba share on their PC so anyone could change live code at any point
[08:36] <gdh> then I forced CVS on them to much grumbling
[08:36] <aseigo> jesus
[08:36] <bccs> Oh lord
[08:37] <bccs> are you coders too old?
[08:37] <gdh> bccs: No, they're just not really coder material save for one. 
[08:37] <gdh> Programming-by-example
[08:38] <gdh> while(!working) { twiddle; }
[08:38] <gdh> etc.
[08:39] <bccs> you could use one new coders, someone with more skills, SCM experience, i don't know
[08:39] <gdh> we have about 20k's worth of new server kit coming in next week for the new development environment.. 
[08:39] <gdh> bccs: Yes, we've already discussed taking on an experienced OO-happy programmer/designer.
[08:41] <bccs> Year, because if you don't, like aseigo said, you'll end up with another bunch of crap, but now OO crap
[08:41] <Fraeon> I don't think any programming language can prevent people from making shit code.
[08:42] <gdh> but we've strayed off topic somewhat :)
[08:42] <aseigo> Fraeon: yep
[08:42] <bccs> guess so
[08:43] <bccs> any news about KDE on Windows?
[08:43] <Fraeon> But then again, I'm one of them who just hides the warnings and continues with his work anyway. :>
[08:43] <gdh> Codename WaNK - "Windows and now KDE"
[08:47] <bccs> i'm tryng to listen some netradio with amarok, but it crashes. Any ideas?
[08:47] <bccs> same with xmms
[08:47] <gdh> mplayer?
[08:48] <nikki> beep
[08:48] <gdh> if all you're doing is listening to an http stream.. :)
[08:48] <gdh> Does beep even open http ?
[08:48] <nikki> yes
[08:48] <gdh> I did look for the 'Open Location' facility in the UI
[08:48] <nikki> gdh, its part of the open file dialog, iirc
[08:48] <gdh> beep's my player of choice because it's just winamp :)
[08:49] <nikki> it does streaming, but ipv4 only :/
[08:49] <gdh> I dislike the whole 'media environment' thing with amarok and friends.
[08:51] <gdh> nikki: Am just looking at the file open dialog.. and it's a normal GTK2 one, no hint of opening anything other than files on the local fs
[08:51] <gdh> Oh I see.. I can 'Add Internet Address' from the playlist editor...
[08:52] <gdh> ctrl-H - good, good :)
[08:54] <nikki> queuing is my favourite feature
[08:54] <bccs> how do i get this beep player? i tried apt-get install beep with no avail
[08:55] <nikki> its called 'beep-media-player' package wise
[08:56] <bccs> it was no good. apt-get install beep-media-player?
[08:56] <nikki> its probably in multiverse or something
[08:56] <nikki> ah, universe/sound
[08:57] <bccs> i have universe enabled, but still...
[08:57] <nikki> well it should be there
[08:58] <nikki> i've just installed it here on my laptop, works fine :P
[08:58] <gdh> Filename: pool/universe/b/beep-media-player/beep-media-player_0.9.7-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[08:58] <gdh> it's there, all right :)
[09:03] <apokryphos> is musicbrainz working for others here?
[09:03] <apokryphos> Can't remember if it was working in the repo's amarok package. Last few versions I've had of svn amarok it doesn't seem to work with, though
[09:13] <bccs> hey
[09:13] <bccs> i tried beep and it work out.
[09:13] <gdh> good man :)
[09:13] <bccs> listening net radio
[09:13] <bccs> just wonder why amarok and xmms crashed
[09:14] <bccs> gdh, tks
[09:14] <gdh> I can't think of much less apropriate protocols than HTTP for streaming radio :)
[09:18] <nikki> gdh, it'd be nice if more supported IPv6 multicast
[09:20] <gdh> nikki: many net radio stations support that? many ISPs support that?
[09:21] <gdh> I only ever remember one instance of multicast 'just working' for internet radio , and it was years ago with Demon Internet
[09:21] <nikki> gdh, sadly, no, not many atm
[09:22] <nikki> gdh, virgin have IPv6 streams, but i don't think they're multicast
[09:22] <gdh> nikki: What's the attraction of ipv6 aside from geek fetish? :)
[09:23] <gdh> It's not as if we're going to run out of IPv4 addresses tomorrow :)
[09:23] <nikki> gdh, if more people use it, it'll become more available, and there are a lot of advantages
[09:23] <nikki> gdh, erm, won't we?
[09:23] <gdh> Maybe in a couple of years at the very earliest I'd have thought.
[09:24] <nikki> gdh, how many IPv4 addresses are there ? 1 billion ?
[09:25] <insanekane> 255^4 - k
[09:26] <nikki> insanekane: how many is k ?
[09:27] <insanekane> nikki: read the RFCs
[09:27] <insanekane> nikki: in other words, i dont know
[09:27] <gdh> nikki: 32 billion
[09:27] <nikki> gdh, buh ?
[09:27] <insanekane> eh ?
[09:27] <gdh> no, hang on :)
[09:27] <gdh> haha
[09:28] <insanekane> not 32 billon
[09:28] <insanekane> much much less
[09:28] <insanekane> anyway, it is a ... f(255) + reserved
[09:28] <insanekane> err
[09:28] <insanekane> f(256) + reserved
[09:29] <nikki> yes but the reserved number is quite big
[09:29] <gdh> IPv4 has 4 billion addresses total, minus multicast..
[09:29] <insanekane> nikki: yes, but constant
[09:29] <insanekane> and much smaller than 255^4
[09:29] <nikki> gdh, minus 192.168.*, minus 10.*, minus 127.*, minus *255* ...
[09:30] <insanekane> then the broadcast addresses for the others ?
[09:33] <gdh> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space - hm looks like there's still quite a lot of capacity :)
[09:33] <nikki> gdh, there are 500M people online...
[09:34] <nikki> thats not including mobile devices, tivos, etc etc
[09:34] <gdh> now if only AOL would stop giving out public IPs...
[09:36] <ryu> hi
[09:37] <ryu> i want to install koffice, kann anybody tell me how i can do this with an recource like this: deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice14 hoary-updates main
[09:37] <ryu> the konsole says: deb command not found
[09:39] <seth_k> ryu: you insert that into /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:39] <ryu> thx
[09:40] <seth_k> ryu: you can then use (k|s)ynaptic to install koffice
[09:40] <supernix> HIya gang I was trying to send email with Kmail and I just can't get it to work with my service provider I can get email from the account but can't send email I have worked on the authentication method several times even checked the server to see what it supports and still no luck
[09:40] <seth_k> hiya supernix: my guess is that your ISP blocks port 25
[09:40] <ryu> how, i didnt found that function
[09:41] <supernix> ah
[09:41] <seth_k> supernix, look at this
[09:41] <seth_k> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/461
[09:42] <seth_k> my provider opens up port 26 to get around the port 25 block my isp has
[09:42] <seth_k> so, supernix, you might try telnet'ing to port 26 like I did to see if it's unblocked. Failing that, use your ISP's mail servers to send
[09:43] <seth_k> ryu: sudo kedit /etc/apt/sources.list will open it
[09:47] <ryu> do i have to restart the system?
[09:48] <seth_k> ryu: no, you never need to restart Linux except for kernel upgrades
[09:48] <ryu> kay
[09:48] <seth_k> once you edit your sources.list, do a Reload in *ynaptic
[09:48] <seth_k> then you can install koffice
[09:49] <ryu> hmm, perhaps i schouldent remove the komment tag in front of the other recources
[09:50] <supernix> I feel like an idiot I was using the wrong username and password with that account the whole time
[09:50] <ryu> hmm, frist i have to update the packages i have...
[09:51] <seth_k> supernix: lol
[09:56] <ryu> btw: has (k)ubntu this SELinux patch?
[10:00] <bccs> how can i update firefox to 1.0.4 with kynaptic?
[10:01] <ryu> bccs i think you cant...
[10:03] <bccs> Why it's still using 1.0.2?
[10:03] <nikki> bccs, its not exactly 1.0.2
[10:03] <nikki> its 1.0.2 with all of the 1.0.4 bugfixes, the trick is just that you need to tell firefox to tell websites its really 1.0.4
[10:03] <nikki> and 1.0.4 is in backports if you really want it, but there's no real need
[10:04] <ryu> nikki, you need it for some plugins
[10:04] <ryu> it wont let you install it without 1.0.2
[10:04] <seth_k> ryu: no, you can just change the vendorsub
[10:04] <seth_k> ?? firefox
[10:04] <kinfo> No match for "firefox"
[10:04] <nikki> ryu, i've yet to see a plugin that doesn't work on the 1.0.2+patches that kubuntu ships
[10:05] <ryu> you cant access the homepage on the direkt way
[10:05] <seth_k> !learn firefox If you cannot install themes or extensions, go to about:config in Firefox and search for "vendorsub". Change the number to "1.0.4" and restart Firefox
[10:05] <kinfo> Inprinted firefox (memory injection successful)
[10:05] <nikki> ryu, if you change the vendorsub, yes you can
[10:06] <ryu> am im not that firm with linux to change some verdorsubs, im pretty a noob, thats why im using kde
[10:06] <stibby> how do i get to a terminal in enlightenment?
[10:06] <stibby> can't seem to find the option anywhere
[10:06] <nikki> ryu, changing vendorsub isn't 'hard'
[10:06] <nikki> ryu, adding backports into the sources list is harder, tbh
[10:06] <ryu> well tell it bccs, he asked, im using konqueror
[10:24] <faster> helllo
[10:24] <Blissex> stibby: then you cannot :-). Either it is in the menu, or in a desktop icon, or a key combination.
[10:29] <ilba7r> which is better as ftp server proftpd or wu-ftpd?
[10:31] <gdh> proftpd
[10:32] <ilba7r> gdh have you used them both
[10:32] <ilba7r> is it better in term of security or ease of use?
[10:32] <jago> Hello
[10:33] <jago> i ws hoping some one could tell me how to read from a cdrom
[10:33] <ilba7r> press the konquer bottom
[10:33] <ilba7r> then press media
[10:34] <ilba7r> or easier open a konquer session and type /media/cdrom
[10:34] <jago> yes i did that and the cdrom icon is not there
[10:34] <jago> oh its like it can't read the cd rom 
[10:34] <ilba7r> most probably it is not mounted
[10:34] <ilba7r> how many cds you have on your pc
[10:34] <jago> how do i mount it
[10:35] <ilba7r> kubuntu should mount them automatically though
[10:36] <jago> can you tell me were the auto mount file is at
[10:44] <Riddell> aseigo: pong; mattr: pong; basse: pong
[10:49] <apokryphos> Riddell: do you by any chance remember that XF86 error when compiling KDE from source? Still kind of wondering how anyone else is compiling kdebase; I'm still getting that error...
[10:50] <Riddell> apokryphos: we don't use xf86, we use xorg
[10:50] <apokryphos> Riddell: I know. The error, despite the output, isn't necessarily just an XFree one
[10:50] <apokryphos> to refresh: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6960
[10:51] <apokryphos> I think you posted it on the mailing list, too, some time ago
[10:52] <apokryphos> on a fresh Kubuntu installation (recent one), I still get that
[10:52] <Riddell> apokryphos: running breezy or hoary?
[10:52] <ryu> hi, installing koffice still dont work...
[10:52] <apokryphos> Riddell: hoary
[10:52] <Riddell> ryu: what doesn't work about it?
[10:52] <Riddell> apokryphos: spooky.  where did you get KDE from?
[10:52] <apokryphos> Riddell: svn
[10:52] <ryu> well now i have it displayed in kynaptic, but i cant mark it
[10:53] <apokryphos> ryu: close kynaptic and try sudo apt-get install koffice
[10:53] <ryu> kay
[10:54] <apokryphos> ryu: are you trying the latest KOffice? Do you have the repository?
[10:54] <seth_k> yes, he does, I had him add it
[10:54] <apokryphos> cool
[10:55] <ryu> it says that koffice depents on karbon and the other packages of koffice
[10:55] <apokryphos> Riddell: you used svn at all? Have you not had problems compiling kdebase there?
[10:55] <Riddell> apokryphos: I've not actually used svn, maybe I should
[10:55] <apokryphos> ryu: and they're not fetchable? Could you www.pastebin.com the ouput?
[10:55] <Riddell> apokryphos: tried upgrading to breezy?
[10:55] <apokryphos> Riddell: I don't remember, but I think I still got that when using normal sources. 
[10:56] <ryu> well my system is in german, i think it wouldent say you anything
[10:56] <apokryphos> Riddell: Nope, is it a good idea? 
[10:56] <apokryphos> ryu: oh :|
[10:56] <Riddell> apokryphos: you might get some problems but nothing that shouldn't be solvable with a dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/foo.deb
[10:56] <Riddell> and editing xorg.conf to fix fonts lines to /usr/X11R6/lib
[10:57] <apokryphos> Riddell: is it actually possible to downgrade? I figure a broken system would be pretty annoying on this comp.
[10:58] <ryu> is there a command for apt, that installs automaticly alle depent packages?
[10:58] <apokryphos> ryu: it should calculate and install the dependencies itself
[10:58] <seth_k> ryu: that's what apt is all about
[10:58] <ryu> it calculates, but it dont install it
[11:00] <apokryphos> ryu: could you pastebin your sources.list?
[11:01] <Riddell> ah, chase, a fifer
[11:01] <ryu> http://pastebin.com/310158
[11:02] <chase> hay Riddell how you
[11:03] <chase> you not been in #tlug for a while
[11:03] <Riddell> chase: I havn't lived in dundee for a while.  did go to the barbeque last month
[11:04] <apokryphos> ryu: no idea, but try commenting out the cd rom there at the top, doing an apt-get update, and then trying again
[11:04] <chase> agh that explains it, where about you now
[11:04] <Riddell> chase: edinburgh of course, where else is there?
[11:04] <chase> fife :-p
[11:05] <apokryphos> Riddell: hm, if you try getting svn could you let me know how it goes? :)
[11:05] <mcquaid> hello, when i try to compile stuff from source it usually compiles without issue,  but applets that i've compiled don't seem to work
[11:05] <ryu> nope, it says something about broken packages
[11:05] <mcquaid> i believe they end up in the wrong place in a deb based system.  what do i have to pass to configure?
[11:05] <Riddell> chase: is fifelug doing anything?
[11:06] <apokryphos> ryu: You'll have to likely sort out those first
[11:06] <ryu> deinstall it?
[11:06] <apokryphos> ryu: or just fix them, yes.
[11:06] <ryu> if i choose fix, it say everythin is ok
[11:07] <chase> Riddell: em..... not really we got a fixed meeting place and now need to get some speckers and a few more member to come the meetings
[11:07] <apokryphos> ryu: alright, now try updating again
[11:07] <ryu> i have haltet broken packages
[11:07] <Riddell> chase: well give us a poke if you need some kubuntu CDs
[11:08] <apokryphos> ryu: ?
[11:08] <chase> agh well i got about 6 ubuntu cds and a mates handing out knopete disks
[11:08] <ryu> i dunno the exact translation
[11:10] <apokryphos> ryu: well, what's the gist of it? Are the broken packages installed now, fixed?
[11:10] <ryu> i think so
[11:10] <apokryphos> Ok, did you apt-get update?
[11:11] <ryu> yup
[11:11] <apokryphos> ryu: ok, try installing koffice now
[11:11] <ryu> dont work
[11:12] <apokryphos> Don't really know, then. Sorry. :(
[11:12] <ryu> koffice: Depends on: karbon (>= 1:1.4.0-0ubuntu0hoary2) should not be installed (my bad translation)
[11:12] <ryu> the same at the other packeges
[11:16] <apokryphos> ryu: kind of wondering if you have odd versions of other koffice. Is no koffice other stuff currently installed?
[11:16] <ryu> its a new kubuntu installation
[11:19] <ryu> could it be, that i have the wrong version of kdelibs4?
[11:20] <mcquaid> i just checked koffice will install fine here
[11:21] <mcquaid> you said it's a new kubuntu install.  upgrade to 3.4.1 might solve your issue
[11:21] <mcquaid> some ubuntu packages accidently got depended on 3.4.1 (like konversation for example)
[11:21] <mcquaid> add this: deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main
[11:21] <mcquaid> for 3.4.1
[11:22] <ryu> mcquaid: i think thats it
[11:22] <mcquaid> it probably is, do that and you should be good
[11:23] <mcquaid> now does anyone know how to compile kde applets properly?
[11:23] <mcquaid> they compile fine but they are not acessible when i right click to add to panel
[11:23] <mcquaid> i think i have to pass a prefix during ./configure
[11:23] <apokryphos> ryu: your'e not on 3.4.1 ? :| 
[11:23] <apokryphos> Heh, I could have actually deduced that from your repos. Slipped my mind.
[11:24] <ryu> nope
[11:24] <apokryphos> mcquaid: it shouldn't be any different to other programs. If you're specifying a prefix, and it's a KDE prog, put /usr
[11:24] <ryu> but soon
[11:24] <mcquaid> well so far anything i've compiled i've never specified a prefix and have had no issue
[11:25] <mcquaid> it's just kde applets for some reason
[11:25] <apokryphos> mcquaid: by default you generally should
[11:25] <apokryphos> mcquaid: got an example?
[11:25] <mcquaid> i suspect it's a prefix issue but could be wrong
[11:25] <mcquaid> kbfx, kxdocker
[11:25] <aseigo> Riddell: hey =)
[11:25] <apokryphos> I compiled kxdocker myself; works fine
[11:26] <mcquaid> when you say be default you generally should, do you mean i should be adding the prefix or i usually should be ok without it
[11:26] <mcquaid> did you pass anything during configure?
[11:26] <apokryphos> mcquaid: by default you should add the prefix for compiling, yes.
[11:26] <mcquaid> ah ok
[11:26] <ryu> btw: is there a german kubuntu irc chat?
[11:26] <mcquaid> going to remove them and retry thx
[11:27] <mcquaid> i've been using checkinstall, but i wish i could make proper debs
[11:27] <Heart> mcquaid: this kde341-link in the sources.list must be there til 6.04 is out!?
[11:27] <apokryphos> I was making a deb for kooldock, but thinking about it, kxdocker is probably better
[11:28] <apokryphos> Heart: no; KDE 3.4.1. is in breezy repositories
[11:28] <ryu> cool i think it works now :-)
[11:28] <apokryphos> nice
[11:28] <mcquaid> i'd like a deb of this little drivespace applet
[11:28] <mcquaid> http://hannibal.lr-s.tudelft.nl/diskfree/
[11:28] <mcquaid> there is a sid binary but not in breezy yet
[11:29] <mcquaid> i was about to compile this one and wanted to make sure i do it right this time
[11:29] <Heart> apokryphos: yes, so after breezy comes out there is no reason to have this kde341-line in the sources.list, right?
[11:29] <apokryphos> mcquaid: add that to the suggested packages
[11:29] <apokryphos> Heart: correct
[11:30] <apokryphos> Not sure when 3.5 is coming out though; you might end up removing it earlier
[11:31] <apokryphos> (Heart: might be worth noting that breezy will be 5.10 -- last two digits represent the month date of release)
[11:32] <Heart> ah thx... so 6.04 will be the version after breezy...!? the name for that release will be?
[11:33] <apokryphos> Heart: I'm pretty sure there isn't one, and if there is it isn't finalised. 5.10 was meant to be something else, too, until recently actually
[11:33] <apokryphos> well, a few months ago; not too recent I guess.
[11:33] <mcquaid> apokryphos, where do you suggest packages?
[11:33] <apokryphos> mcquaid: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSuggestedPackages
[11:34] <mcquaid> thx
[11:35] <hussam> I replaced 386 kernel in synaptic with 686 kernel. I'm trying to install openoffice1.9.115 from: http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/
[11:35] <hussam> but I get errors that I'm not on 386, because I have 686 kernel.
[11:36] <hussam> how do I force the install?
[11:37] <hussam> nevermind, I got it. I ran dpkg --force-architecture -i *.deb
[11:41] <Heart> where can i find the kde-menu icon? which folder, file name?
[11:43] <apokryphos> Heart: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/panel.html#id2567213
[11:46] <fromoze> Hi I'm upgrading to breezy and I get errors about xserver; x-common and xorg-common conflits.. wich package is to stay? can I remove xorg-common?
[11:47] <jpatrick> check sources.list
[11:48] <jpatrick> if it has us. you may have problems
[11:50] <fromoze> I have es.
[11:55] <leo> hello everyone.  has anyone had problems with kde not being aware of changes to folders automatically?  ie if I copy things to the desktop they sometimes dont show up.. I have to go to the desktop folder in konqi and hit refresh
[11:55] <leo> libfam is installed. but it seems that apps are not being notified of changes to the filesystem
[11:57] <apokryphos> fromoze: you shouldn't really be using breezy, but xorg-common should bring in all the necessary stuff, I would have thought
[11:58] <apokryphos> leo: that's an actual KDE bug. Are you experienced it anywhere else but on the desktop?
[11:58] <apokryphos> *experiencing
[11:59] <leo> it happens in konqueror too sometimes.. say I'm in a folder and I copy some files to it.. those files won't show up in the list until I hit refresh
[11:59] <leo> its odd though.. in plain debian this worked fine
[11:59] <leo> only see this in kubuntu
[12:00] <leo> oh wait.. scratch that folder issue.  seems to be working now
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[12:01] <apokryphos> gah
[12:01] <ztonzy> oh man
[12:01] <leo> apokryphos:  you know, maybe the upgrade to 3.4.1 fixed it.. I can't seem to reproduce it at the moment.  sorry for the noise
[12:01] <fromoze> apokryphos: I know, but I just finnis my exams and I wanted to play a little :)
[12:02] <ztonzy> apokryphos, not good ad for turkish linux users :)
[12:02] <apokryphos> leo: no problem at all
[12:03] <apokryphos> fromoze: Yeah ;-)
[12:03] <apokryphos> ztonzy: and I'm Greek ;-)
[12:03] <nikkia> we all have flaws :)
[12:03] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hahahaa
[12:04] <ztonzy> apokryphos, there was a strange user in blender coders channel too
[12:04] <ztonzy> haha
[12:04] <nikkia> ztonzy: isn't that kind of redundant?
[12:04] <nikkia> i mean, blender!
[12:05] <ztonzy> nikkia, eh sorry ?
[12:05] <nikkia> what did this 'strange user' do? ask for a interface that isn't weird ? :)
[12:05] <apokryphos> nikkia: and perfections too ;-)
[12:05] <ztonzy> nikkia, well...for a start the user didn't even know what he was in there for
[12:05] <apokryphos> ztonzy: yeah, there's a few random spammers about