[12:04] <lu|away> ATM it has a big-ass old MS natural keyboard
[12:04] <lu|away> with a wire
[12:04] <tseng> well
[12:04] <tseng> i have a similar setup in my parents basement for mythtv
[12:05] <tseng> i find that the normal "cordless" rf keyboards dont have a really great range
[12:05] <tseng> sitting on the couch its hard to get a signal across
[12:05] <tseng> if i had an unlimited budget id try ir, bluetooth etc
[12:06] <lu|away> w00t
[12:09] <seb128> lu|away: gtk 2.7.2 announce
[12:10] <chrissturm> wasabi, what would be the correct way to package eclipse plugins?
[12:10] <chrissturm> damn
[12:10] <chrissturm> tseng, bluetooth has a really wiiiideee range
[12:10] <tseng> chrissturm: well, it can
[12:11] <lu|away> seb128: yeah, couple of hours ago, I told you :)
[12:11] <tseng> some stuff cuts out at 10m
[12:11] <seb128> gtk?
[12:11] <lu|away> yeah
[12:11] <tseng> (by design)
[12:11] <seb128> lu|away: is the ftp list b0rked or something?
[12:11] <lu|away> oh, maybe
[12:11] <seb128> I use it to know what to package
[12:11] <lu|away> commits-list is borked
[12:11] <seb128> and I don't get mails
[12:11] <seb128> bah
[12:11] <lu|away> I was looking at dtk-devel
[12:11] <seb128> k
[12:11] <lu|away> which had it 2 1/2 hours ago ;)
[12:11] <seb128> anyway time to sleep
[12:11] <seb128> I'll package it tomorrow
[12:12] <lu|away> yeah
[12:12] <lu|away> hopefully i'll just use it from CVS soon
[12:12] <lu|away> night!
[12:12] <seb128> thanks
[12:12] <seb128> later
[12:46] <chrissturm> does eclipse run with gcj or does it need a sun jdk?
[12:47] <Speedy2> chrissturm: I think they make both versions
[12:47] <Speedy2> chrissturm:  Some has compiled with Eclipse with gcj, but it may not be the latest version
[12:48] <chrissturm> ok, but the version in breezy needs a sun jdk?
[12:48] <Speedy2> chrissturm:  I think that is correct
[12:49] <chrissturm> i would really like to package some eclipse plugins as debs
[12:49] <whiprush> tseng: welcome to the hhk2 club!
[12:49] <tseng> whiprush: woo
[12:53] <siretart> chrissturm: the eclipse package in breezy is running with gcj
[12:58] <chrissturm> siretart, how do i configure it to use gcj?
[12:58] <siretart> chrissturm: just apt-get install it
[12:59] <chrissturm> i have it installed, and running
[12:59] <chrissturm> and in about / config i see that it used the sun jdk
[12:59] <siretart> hm then you should ask wasabi about this. I don't know how to switch
[12:59] <siretart> gn8
[01:00] <chrissturm> thx
[01:04] <chrissturm> ah /etc/jvm.d/eclipse
[01:04] <sabdfl> hey lamont - just got back from beers with bdale :-)
[01:05] <Mez> sabdfl, any news on backports?
[01:05] <sabdfl> Mez: incoming
[01:05] <Mez> ..?
[01:06] <Mez> incoming?
[01:06] <dmk> just asked this question in ubuntu-motu and no one answer - I think everyone is asleep. maybe you guys can help
[01:06] <dmk> I have been trying to build a few deb packages but I am not sure if I have done them right
[01:06] <sabdfl> thought we would have it this week, i guess it just needs a little love from infinity and lamont
[01:06] <dmk> they install fine, but just wanted to be sure
[01:06] <dmk> when I was doing packages for Slackware we used to have a script that verified everything
[01:06] <Mez> ah fair enough... I'm just wondering how we're going to get the thing to build the packages thats all
[01:06] <dmk> sorry if this is the wrong place to ask
[01:07] <lamont> evening sabdfl
[01:07] <Mez> I'm just not sure how the process would go if we're not making the source uploads (plus apparently the sbuild doesnt like ~'s in the version)
[01:07] <Mez> lamont, hows backports going on your bit of it?
[01:07] <lamont> backports is there, btw
[01:07] <lamont> see archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dpkg
[01:08] <Mez> I noticed the repository was there...
[01:08] <lamont> having said that.  wanna-build needs a little bit more love, and then i think all should just be happy
[01:08] <lamont> (I can't give things back, because wanna-build gets confused about that ~)
[01:09] <sabdfl> hi lamont
[01:10] <lamont> sabdfl: I'll hammer on wanna-build some more this evening, and then we should be good to go.  (all the buildd's are currently trying to build it, etc.)
[01:10] <sabdfl> lamont: cool. how's the bandwidth holding up at home these days?
[01:11] <lamont> sucky
[01:11] <lamont> I've taken to freshening a USB drive at work from time to time, from the local mirror here in fort collins
[01:12] <lamont> sabdfl: and otherwise, I'm running right around my quota for high-bw usage
[01:13] <sabdfl> lamont: wimax?
[01:13] <lamont> sabdfl: I get all I want if the average is < 56kbps.  for >= 56kbps, I get ~100MB/day
[01:14] <lamont> max is around 400-500kbps
[01:14] <lamont> which isn't terribly bad, given everything
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[01:19] <Speedy2> err, sorry
[01:23] <chrissturm> wasabi, are there instructions how to package eclipse plugins as debs for ubuntu?
[01:25] <Mez> lol @ lamont
[01:25] <wasabi_> chrissturm, no, but there needs to be
[01:25] <wasabi_> I am trying to figure it out for CDT currently.
[01:25] <chrissturm> wasabi, i would like to try webtools
[01:25] <wasabi_> Please give it a go.
[01:25] <chrissturm> webtools rock big time
[01:26] <wasabi_> I really want to see it take off.
[01:26] <wasabi_> I am making some big changes to Eclipse right now, which will probably effect you in the long term.
[01:26] <chrissturm> does it work well with gcj? i am running eclipse with gcj for the first time today
[01:26] <wasabi_> Does web tools? Don't know.
[01:26] <wasabi_> Eclipse works for the most part. Debugging doesn't.
[01:27] <wasabi_> But Eclipse launches an external VM to run.
[01:27] <chrissturm> how does the performance compare?
[01:27] <wasabi_> It's slower than Sun's, but better than interpreted.
[01:27] <chrissturm> thats very good news for non intel platforms
[01:27] <wasabi_> chrissturm, I am preparing to move Eclipse to /usr/lib/eclipse from /usr/sahre/eclipse.
[01:27] <lamont> fabbione: somehow I expect you're not around?
[01:27] <wasabi_> Most stuff will be in /usr/share, with symlinks in /usr/lib pointing to it.
[01:28] <wasabi_> Basically it's the only way I can get FHS compatibility out of it.
[01:28] <chrissturm> wasabi_, is there also a per-user plugin directory?
[01:28] <wasabi_> chrissturm, there will be.
[01:28] <wasabi_> chrissturm, RedHat has a nice patch for that I will be applying.
[01:28] <chrissturm> eclipse had always supported that
[01:28] <wasabi_> RedHat has some mods.
[01:28] <wasabi_> bbl =)
[01:29] <wasabi_> please help 
[01:30] <Speedy2> Is there any benefit to putting eth0 in the "hotplug" interface on /etc/network/interfaces ?
[01:31] <Speedy2> (why does Ubuntu do it that way?)
[01:32] <lamont> Speedy2: lets you auto-up interfaces without always trying to bring them up (and failing when the PC card isn't plugged in)
[01:33] <Speedy2> lamont: Ok .  For some odd reason, with my own kernel hotplug fails to bring eth0 up.  Does hotplug use hal ?
[01:33] <Speedy2> lamont: I'm using a PCI NIC.  The only thing I can think of is that PCI hotplug wasn't compiled in
[01:34] <chrissturm> how does that compare to network manager?
[02:30] <jasoncohen> where are breezy's packages stored after they are built by the automated build system but before they enter the pool directory? is their an incoming server like incoming.debian.org?
[02:30] <jasoncohen> *is there
[02:43] <jsgotangco> j #ubuntu-motu
[02:44] <jsgotangco> salut
[02:44] <tseng> hi jsgotangco 
[03:43] <daniels> Kamion: yeah
[03:56] <davyd> daniels: does X work yet?
[03:57] <daniels> davyd: of course it does
[03:57] <davyd> mine stopped working with -34
[03:57] <daniels> i810?
[03:57] <davyd> i915
[03:57] <daniels> will be fixed in -35
[03:58] <davyd> daniels: what broke?
[03:58] <davyd> also, how long till -35?
[03:58] <tseng> davyd: when daniels blesses you with it
[03:59] <davyd> tseng: well, this biatch left me without a working X server
[03:59] <tseng> :/
[04:00] <davyd> I also couldn't see how one would obviously downgrade X, I know it's meant to be modular, but there are things like xserver-common and x-common and such
[04:00] <davyd> and I just don't know the dependancy tree
[04:02] <lamont> "Ubuntu is calling it a 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device" - any clues daniels?
[04:02] <lamont> (actually, iz driver on intel's site)
[04:02] <daniels> lamont: i845, which uses the i810 driver
[04:02] <daniels> davyd: code which made it start segfaulting in breezy
[04:02] <daniels> davyd: downgrading xserver-xorg alone from -34 to -33 should be safe
[04:02] <lamont> daniels: ah, ok.  should hoary correctly detect that, or does one have to force i810, and if so, how?
[04:03] <davyd> daniels: ok... it seems that gdm doesn't correctly relay that there was a segv
[04:03] <daniels> davyd: sounds about right
[04:03] <davyd> that's why I was feeling confused
[04:04] <daniels> lamont: um, hoary will detect and use it fine.  but is this a desktop where the resolution is capped at 640x480?
[04:04] <davyd> also, startx didn't seem to work
[04:04] <lamont> yes
[04:04] <daniels> lamont: if so, XORG_SYNC_RANGES=yes sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[04:04] <daniels> will be fixed in a hoary-update
[04:05] <lamont> daniels: thanks - that'll get my brother off my back... and then there's my _other_ question.....  but you know what that is.
[04:05] <daniels> lamont: yeah, the answer to that is in your other IRC client
[04:05] <daniels> i'm still trying to work out a way to plug in and meaningfully use my desktop
[04:21] <squinn> welcome back, mgalvin 
[04:24] <mgalvin> :)
[04:24] <mgalvin> had to restart gnome a few time after install new apps to refresh menus
[04:24] <mgalvin> working on the gnome docs
[04:26] <squinn> what gnome doc in particular?
[04:29] <mgalvin> well, mostly the gnome faq guide, but i am modify the menu entities to reflect the breezy menus
[05:15] <Mitario> hello everyone
[05:16] <bddebian> Hello Mitario 
[05:17] <Mitario> little question here.. i'm finishing update manager for a new release and since i'm not a native english speaker.. is it 'There are x  packages available for updating.'?
[05:18] <bddebian> Sounds correct to me
[06:11] <|QuaD-> anyone around?
[06:32] <lamont> emacs21: error while loading shared libraries: libXaw3d.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:32] <lamont> hrmpf
[07:07] <mgalvin> are direct upgrades from wary to breezy supported or at least possible?
[07:21] <jasoncohen> mgalvin, it's recommended that you upgrade incrementally
[07:22] <jasoncohen> mgalvin, each release has changes in dependencies (pacakges with new names, new dependencies, removal of old dependencies etc.). to resolve this, there are virtual dummy packages to aid in the upgrade process.
[07:23] <jasoncohen> however, this is meant to work between releases - from warty to hoary- not from warty to breezy
[07:23] <jasoncohen> anyways, breezy is in no shape to be used as a stable distribution. if you didn't want to upgrade to hoary, your surely not going to want to use breezy at this time. why not upgrade to hoary now and wait until breezy is released in october?
[07:31] <mgalvin> jasoncohen, i ask b/c i am working on the ubuntu documentation, i was just wondered if it was possible and worth putting in the docs
[07:32] <mgalvin> its not a good idea, i figured as much, but wanted other opinions
[07:32] <jasoncohen> it'll probably lead to upgrade problems
[07:32] <mgalvin> right
[07:33] <mgalvin> it's just that people asks those kinds of questions :)
[07:34] <rob^> been buisy mgalvin?
[07:34] <rob^> busy^
[07:34] <mgalvin> rob^, yea :)
[07:34] <rob^> :)
[07:34] <rob^> I've been trying to figure out lufs ftpfs all day..
[07:35] <rob^> it wont mount my xbox
[07:35] <rob^> :(
[07:35] <mgalvin> i never tried that, no xbox
[07:36] <rob^> I have about 45gig of mp3s on it I want to access from my pc
[07:36] <bob2> why not just use a real network filesystem?
[07:36] <rob^> without copying them across
[07:36] <rob^> on the xbox?
[07:36] <rob^> what like?
[07:37] <bob2> ?
[07:37] <bob2> smb, nfs, afs, coda ...
[07:37] <rob^> the xbox has a smb server without running one of the various Linux distros for it?
[07:38] <rob^> whats it called?
[07:40] <rob^> pfft.. kernel module?
[07:41] <bob2> you want to continue running windows on it? ah
[07:43] <rob^> well..
[07:44] <rob^> I want to be able to still play games on it
[07:45] <rob^> it IS an xbox after all
[08:28] <mdz> morning
[08:41] <whiprush> mdz: far from home?
[08:51] <daniels> so, while there are arguments over how to behave on, say, 5 minutes of idle time:
[08:51] <daniels> a) do nothing
[08:51] <daniels> b) throw up a screen saver
[08:51] <daniels> c) blank the screen
[08:51] <daniels> d) go into S3
[08:51] <daniels> i think we can all agree that D is completely wrong
[08:52] <davyd> daniels: yes, I think so too
[08:52] <davyd> daniels: you could always do what the mac does
[08:52] <daniels> screen saver after 5, S3 after 50?
[08:52] <daniels> er, 60
[08:53] <Mithrandir> daniels: on battery or in general?
[08:53] <davyd> it also dulls the screen after 5 or so minutes
[08:53] <daniels> Mithrandir: in general
[08:54] <daniels> davyd: right, dimming the backlight is a top plan
[08:54] <Mithrandir> daniels: I would be majorly pissed off if a machine I left off suddenly went to sleep for no apparent reason.
[08:54] <daniels> Mithrandir: you too, hey?
[08:54] <daniels> never mind the SSH session you had running, or the huge downloads you had going
[08:54] <daniels> fascists
[08:54] <davyd> daniels: some of the power management stuff in ubuntu is crack
[08:54] <Mithrandir> so S3 after 60 minutes is just crackful.
[08:54] <davyd> I rewrote a lot of mine today
[08:55] <daniels> davyd: acpi-support?
[08:55] <daniels> Mithrandir: it does that on desktops, dude
[08:55] <davyd> daniels: yeah
[08:55] <davyd> it might be worth considering acpi-support-ibm and acpi-support-toshiba
[08:55] <davyd> and lots of that stuff
[08:55] <daniels> davyd: file a bug :)
[08:55] <daniels> mmm, we used to have acpi-support-x40
[08:55] <daniels> then we realised everything in the x40 is fine
[08:55] <davyd> because I have non-shit ACPI
[08:55] <Mithrandir> daniels: uh.  So it crashes any desktop with SATA and other niceties like that?
[08:55] <daniels> what we really need to do is have portable interfaces for 'dim the backlight', 'enable bluetooth', 'disable the wireless radio', et al
[08:55] <davyd> all the workarounds break my machine
[08:56] <daniels> and then have system-specific binaries, where we autodetect which one to use
[08:56] <daniels> Mithrandir: dunno, this was in the 10.1 days
[08:56] <daniels> haven't used OS X since
[08:56] <davyd> daniels: sounds like a similar solution
[08:56] <Mithrandir> daniels: oh, OS X.  I thought this was about what we were doing/going to do.
[08:56] <davyd> daniels: I think you still can configure it to sleep
[08:56] <daniels> Mithrandir: shit no
[08:56] <davyd> from memory it doesn't with mounted external disks
[08:56] <davyd> it's an interesting feature
[09:00] <davyd> also, I only have one Squire left
[09:01] <davyd> and I haven't managed to read chapters 2, 3 or 5 of the story
[09:01] <davyd> I knew I should have bought a case
[09:35] <ogami1972> HEY DEVELOPERS! thank you!
[10:09] <daniels> sladen: any word on usplash?
[10:11] <siretart> wasabi: ping
[10:36] <sivang> bah, source only packages, anyone has any idea how I increment patch such package?
[10:38] <daniels> what do you want to do?
[10:38] <daniels> if you need a rebuild, just bump the version number and add 'no changes' or such to the changelog
[10:40] <sivang> daniels: I need to patch it bits, and then test build
[10:41] <sivang> daniels: where do I drop the diffs? :-)
[10:41] <daniels> oh, you mean DBS?
[10:41] <sivang> daniels: (I'm used to working with dpatch enabled packags)
[10:41] <daniels> where you dpkg-source -x something, and it has a tarball in the root directory?
[10:42] <daniels> fakeroot debian/rules setup is the generally-accepted way to unpack it, although source.make might be used intsead
[10:42] <sivang> daniels: I think so...not sure :-)
[10:42] <daniels> then put your patches in debian/patches
[10:42] <sivang> daniels: it's gedit package, let me look again, I may be wrong wrt the source pkg thingy
[10:43] <sivang> daniels: I have a /debian folder under the root, however it contains no "patches" dir
[10:43] <daniels> sivang: might vary
[10:44] <sivang> daniels: so that's not a source based pakcage? (the one with only the source tarball and a path tarball )
[10:44] <sivang> s/path/patch/
[10:46] <sivang> daniels: it's using cdbs, and simple-patchsys , but I can't see the pathces dir
[10:50] <daniels> sivang: then it probably doesn't have any patches being applied
[10:50] <sivang> daniels: oh, so it's a new upstream release maybe?
[10:52] <sivang> weird, it has a -2 modifier, so it can't be new upstream
[10:53] <daniels> maybe it just has no source patches?
[10:54] <vedran> hello
[10:54] <vedran> who is packager for icewm?
[10:54] <sivang> daniels: right, only chnages to the debian portions. silly me
[10:55] <vedran> i'd like to ask them something :)
[10:57] <vedran> ah sorry - there's name in deb - ignore :o
[10:58] <Duck_Happy> ogra: coin ?
[11:48] <doko> ubuntu on www.spiegel.de: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/technologie/0,1518,364354,00.html
[12:01] <vedran> q: is it possible to do a network install of ubuntu?
[12:01] <vedran> i have a computer with no cd...
[12:02] <tseng> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalNetInstall
[12:02] <tseng> you can do it with netboot
[12:02] <tseng> next time you want to ask #ubuntu, see topic.
[12:03] <vedran> ok tnx... sorry
[12:03] <JanC> you can do it from an existing linux install too
[12:03] <JanC> read the ubuntu/debian installer manual
[12:05] <JanC> apt-get install debian-installer-manual
[12:08] <vedran> tnx to all
[01:10] <zyga> is there any ubuntu-translators # ?
[01:12] <mdke> zyga, there is a mailing list if that helps
[01:12] <mdke> zyga, if your problem is launchpad related, you can try #launchpad
[01:12] <mdke> or rosetta-users@lists
[01:25] <zyga> I'm trying to import my gpg key
[01:25] <zyga> but rosetta crashes
[01:56] <mdke> zyga, that is not rosetta, its launchpad, you can file a bug or ask in #launchpad
[01:56] <mdke> zyga, btw is your key on the keyservers?
[02:10] <zyga> mdke: no ;)
[02:10] <zyga> mdke: but It shouldn't have borked on me
[02:10] <mdke> zyga, yeah i know, i think that is a known issue
[02:10] <siretart> jbailey: ping
[02:22] <Gandalfar> hello, can anyone hint me how to build ubuntu cdimage?
[02:34] <zyga> Gandalfar: search the wiki AFAIR there is some info on this topic there
[02:38] <Treenaks> HWolf: Oh noes!
[02:40] <HWolf> nice, isn't it.
[02:40] <Treenaks> ja :)
[02:40] <Treenaks> uh.. wrong channel.. "yeah" :)
[02:42] <mxpxpod> daniels: ping
[02:43] <Kamion> Gandalfar: the scripts we use are in arch; http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/archives/colin.watson@canonical.com--2005, colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/cdimage--mainline--0; baz build-config configs/devel
[02:44] <Gandalfar> thank you :)
[02:44] <Kamion> Gandalfar: that's probably too brief for you to actually build images from, but I'm about to go out to a wedding
[02:44] <Gandalfar> it's a start, creating a derivate will be a long term task anyway
[02:44] <mxpxpod> Kamion: heh, I have a wedding this morning too :)
[02:55] <mxpxpod> jdub: ping
[03:04] <Mez> lamont: ping
[03:05] <lamont> Mez: sup?
[03:05] <Mez> PM
[03:06] <lamont> PM?
[03:06] <Mez>  /query :P
[03:06] <Mez> wondering why http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/s/sdlperl/1.20.3-1ubuntu5/ is bombing out even though all dependencies are there
[03:09] <siretart> there is something weird going on with gl and glu in xorg
[03:09] <siretart> I dont get it either
[03:09] <Treenaks> Let's all poke daniels to ask!
[03:13] <siretart> is it possible/allowed to build depend on a virtual package?
[03:13] <infinity> siretart : Yes, but if you want to be sure you get a specific version on the buildds, use "real | virtual"
[03:13] <lamont> siretart: it's real simple... anything that build-depends xlibmesa-glu-dev is b0rked
[03:14] <siretart> lamont: its about sdlperl, yes
[03:14] <lamont> siretart: also note that if you build-dep on a virtual package, and it's not in the archive, then it requires a manual whack by infinity or I to clear the depwait...
[03:14] <siretart> ok, will upload then a package build depending on libgl-dev-xorg and libglu-dev-xorg, then. ok?
[03:15] <jdub> mxpxpod: pong
[03:15] <lamont> well, given that libgl-dev-xorg doesn't seem to exist yet.....
[03:15] <siretart> oh
[03:15] <lamont> O
[03:15] <siretart> :/
[03:15] <lamont> I'd probably just use libglu-dev-xorg. :-)
[03:16] <siretart> ok. testing that in pbuilder now
[03:16] <lamont> daniels: updating the binaries line or such to make xlibmesa-glu-dev go away would be a good thing...
[03:17] <mxpxpod> jdub: did gnome-gpg change? it used to be that I could call gnome-gpg and it would pop up a dialog asking me for a password... now it tells me it can't determine the key id to use
[03:18] <jdub> no changes to gnome-gpg; perhaps you've added a key and aren't defining it? i don't know the answer.
[03:19] <mxpxpod> jdub: not defining it?
[03:19] <Treenaks> mxpxpod: usually it means that either you have no secret keys, or you have more than one
[03:19] <mxpxpod> hmm
[03:20] <siretart> ok. libglu-dev-xorg seems to work. uploading package now
[03:21] <mxpxpod> Treenaks: aw man, something is messed up in my keyring
[03:22] <mxpxpod> Treenaks: I get invalid packets
[03:22] <jsgotangco> mxpxpod: probably your secret key
[03:23] <mxpxpod> jsgotangco: what do you mean?
[03:26] <mxpxpod> Treenaks: is there a way to rebuild my keyring?
[03:28] <mdke> backup?
[03:28] <Treenaks> mxpxpod: I have those too. I _think_ it's Alexander Schmehl and/or Andreas Mueller
[03:28] <Treenaks> gpg: buffer shorter than subpacket
[03:28] <Treenaks> gpg: signature packet without timestamp
[03:28] <Treenaks> that stuff right?
[03:28] <mxpxpod> no
[03:29] <Treenaks> mxpxpod: then there's gpg --rebuild
[03:29] <mxpxpod> gpg: checking the trustdb
[03:29] <mxpxpod> gpg: [don't know] : invalid packet (ctb=00)
[03:29] <mxpxpod> gpg: keyring_search failed: invalid packet
[03:29] <mxpxpod> gpg: failed to rebuild keyring cache: invalid packet
[03:29] <Treenaks> mxpxpod: but that's for rebuilding the signature caches
[03:29] <Treenaks> mxpxpod: try #gnupg
[03:40] <mxpxpod> Treenaks: ok, so why can't gnome-gpg determine the key to use?
[03:40] <Treenaks> mxpxpod: can gnupg?
[03:40] <mxpxpod> I think so
[03:40] <mxpxpod> I don't get that message when using gpg
[03:41] <Treenaks> then I don't know, as I don't use gnome-gpg
[03:41] <mxpxpod> hrmm
[03:41] <mxpxpod> Treenaks: yeah gpg finds my key just fine
[03:42] <Treenaks> you fixed your ring?
[03:42] <mxpxpod> yeah, there was a pubring.gpg~ that I copied into pubring.gpg
[03:42] <Treenaks> ah ok
[03:42] <mxpxpod> pubring.gpg was full of junk
[03:43] <mxpxpod> oh, you know what...
[03:43] <Treenaks> how did it get that way?
[03:43] <mxpxpod> no clue
[03:49] <mxpxpod> Treenaks: this is strange
[03:56] <mxpxpod> jdub: it's strange... I have to specify --local-user now with gnome-gpg
[04:18] <Mithrandir> lamont: since elephants are easier to choke than lamonts?
[04:18] <lamont> they have much bigger mouths
[04:18] <lamont> 195812895 bytes of orig.tar.gz is a bit excessive
[04:19] <lamont> and the 14741694 byte diff.gz doesn't really help matters....
[04:19] <Mithrandir> oh, I'll need to put more stuff into ia32-libs, then?
[04:19] <lamont> yeah - you're not even in the same ballpark there... :)
[04:22] <lamont> 3 hours into the download, only 172e6 bytes to go. :-(
[04:23] <lamont> but I have over 12% of the file
[04:25] <davyd> who mirrors?
[04:25] <davyd> isn't caching the cool new thing?
[04:25] <lamont> not when you have to shape your bandwidth
[04:26] <lamont> caching at 30kbps sucks.  mirroring a partial mirror doesn't suck quite so much
[04:26] <lamont> that's kbits/sec
[05:00] <wasabi> =( X move broke eclipse
[05:06] <wasabi> Actually that was pretty damned weird. I was missing /usr/include/X11/X.h
[05:06] <wasabi> But I *reinstalled* x11proto-core-dev and now I have it
[05:06] <Jhair> running apt-get --purge remove python2.3 leaves two symbolic links which triggers:
[05:06] <Jhair> dpkg - warning: while removing python2.3, directory `/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages' not empty so not removed.
[05:06] <Jhair> system: breezy
[05:06] <Jhair> is this a bug?
[05:17] <Mithrandir> arrrr
[05:17] <Mithrandir> evo crashes when trying to add a new (http) calendar.
[05:21] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: evo crashes on LOTS of things ;-).
[05:21] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: like trying to add another account ;-).
[05:28] <Lathiat> yeh
[05:28] <Lathiat> mutt++ :)
[05:29] <Nafallo> hehe
[05:34] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: mutt doesn't do ical feeds.
[05:35] <Lathiat> ical sucsk
[05:35] <Lathiat> ;p
[05:35] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: got any better alternative?
[05:35] <Mithrandir> why do people assume that I want to use evo as a mail client?  I have a way better mail client already.
[05:35] <Lathiat> read it with vim
[05:36] <Mithrandir> I don't use vim, 'cept once in a while to edit my .emacs. ;-P
[05:36] <Mithrandir> and vim is really shitty about giving notfications of events and stuff. :-P
[05:42] <Lathiat> your just not trying nhard enough
[06:37] <thierry> when I start breezy that I installed, I get to the login and after gnome start, and all the panel are blank and I only see the wallpaper...
[06:38] <thierry> is it that way with ebery computer or is it just mine?
[06:38] <wasabi> just yours
[06:38] <wasabi> today
[06:38] <thierry> oh ok...
[06:38] <wasabi> you're not going to get much help
[06:38] <thierry> and with the live-cd, it doesn't recognize any ethernet device
[06:39] <wasabi> what type of device do you have?
[06:39] <thierry> wasabi, is there a way to fix thoses thing for a newbie like me?
[06:39] <wasabi> thierry, no. WHy are you using breezy again?
[06:39] <thierry> well I have a nvidia (inside my mother board) and an other with a strange company name but that works with hoary
[06:40] <thierry> wasabi, I just was curious... I don't want support, I want to help
[06:40] <wasabi> Well, the best I can tell you is that you need to figure out hte model of your nic, make sure the module loads and that it works right.
[06:40] <wasabi> Then determine if the issue is with teh installer or the drivers. ;)
[06:41] <wasabi> I don' thave any familiarity with the nvidia nics, so I can't be of much assistance with that
[06:41] <thierry> ok... how can I make sure the module loads ? wich modules are needed?
[06:42] <wasabi> Make sure that the module is listed in lsmod. I don't know what module
[06:42] <thierry> k...
[06:42] <thierry> thanks
[06:45] <daniels> lamont: erm?
[07:38] <Hieronymus> Why are the icons in Breezy for Firefox and Evolution different from those in Hoary?
[07:47] <tseng> Hieronymus: because gnome-icon-theme includes new ones?
[07:47] <Hieronymus> tseng: okay, but I thought there was an issue with the Firefox logo
[07:47] <tseng> there is
[07:47] <Hieronymus> it can only be used for official Mozilla releases
[07:48] <Hieronymus> so, has Ubuntu gotten permission?
[07:48] <tseng> go file a bug at bugzilla.gnome.org if you are concerned
[07:48] <Hieronymus> tseng: I'm not concerned, but curious
[07:48] <tseng> i told you where the icon came from, it was an intentional change by ubuntu
[07:52] <hmh> I am going to start some groundlaying work for dependency-based initscripts here at debconf5. Anyone from ubuntu also working in this?
[07:53] <hmh> (i.e. integrate stuff like serel/runit with the system)
[09:18] <bronson> Why on earth is php4 compiled --without-pgsql?
[09:19] <bronson> And since it is, why does Ubuntu include the apparently useless php4-pgsql package?
[09:19] <bronson> Very, very strange.  This is on Hoary of course.
[09:20] <KaiL> maybe there's php4-pgsql?
[09:20] <Treenaks> bronson: sounds like a bug?
[09:20] <KaiL> as there's php4-mysql afaik...
[09:21] <bronson> KaiL: there is a php4-pgsql package.
[09:21] <bronson> But it's useless because the Ubuntu php4 package disables all postgres support.
[09:21] <bronson> Treenaks: I sure think so.  Should I file one?
[09:31] <sivang> bronson: we should probably have php5 packages already...
[09:31] <sivang> bronson: too bad it's delaying alot
[09:33] <bronson> sivang: i agree.  :)
[09:52] <infinity> bronson : Did you try installing php4-pgsql before reporting a bug?
[10:03] <bronson> infinity: of course.
[10:04] <bronson> infinity: I downloaded the php4 source package and verified that --without-pgsql is in debain/rules.
[10:04] <infinity> bronson : It DOES work, despite the configure line.
[10:04] <bronson> Really?  Not for me.
[10:04] <bronson> phppgadmin complains that php has no pg support.
[10:04] <infinity> bronson : Yes, it is in debian/rules.  All that means is that pgsql isn't built with the php4 source.
[10:04] <infinity> bronson : Is pgsql.so in your php.ini?
[10:05] <infinity> bronson : dpkg-reconfigure php4-pgsql
[10:06] <bronson> infinity: that was it.
[10:06] <bronson> Weird!  I just installed it.
[10:07] <bronson> Dunno why it works after the reconfigure, but it does.
[10:07] <bronson> infinity: thanks!
[10:07] <infinity> I already closed it NOTABUG half an hour ago.
[10:08] <bronson> Ah.  Thanks, Adam Conrad.  :)
[10:14] <bronson> I added a quick note in case anyone else is stranded where i was.
[10:14] <bronson> infinity: thanks again.
[10:27] <comadreja> I'm looking for any of the members of the ubuntu/gnome team
[10:33] <lu|away> comadreja: quite a few are around/in channel, if you have a specific question you should just ask and wait and see if anyone can answer
[10:34] <comadreja> oh, thanks, I just thought there was a specific channel/mailling-list for them alone
[10:35] <comadreja> bug 627, what is the dbus transition ?
[10:36] <lu|away> probably refers to the transition from dbus 0.2x to dbus 0.3x
[10:36] <lu|away> and I presume you mean some other bug #?
[10:36] <comadreja> malone
[10:37] <comadreja> it doesn't say too much more...
[10:38] <lu|away> ah
[10:38] <lu|away> presumably screem depends on dbus 0.2
[10:38] <lu|away> and they want/need a patch to make screem build against dbus 0.3
[10:38] <lu|away> though admittedly it is sort of hard to tell from the page that it is against screem
[10:38] <comadreja> ok, I'll work on that
[10:48] <thierry> I'd like to fix ubuntu bug 9145 . How do I get the source of rsync?
[10:49] <carstenh_> apt-get source $package
[10:49] <thierry> ok and to create a patch?
[10:50] <carstenh_> apt-get install diff?
[10:51] <thierry> k thanks
[10:51] <ivoks> diff -ur
[10:55] <comadreja> could it be that bug 627 talks about using dbus-glib instead of dbus ?
[11:00] <ivoks> 627?
[11:01] <comadreja> ivoks : in malone
[11:03] <thierry> ok I have the rsync folder where I made my changes on the rsync packages... now how can I get the patch?
[11:04] <ivoks> err...
[11:04] <comadreja> thierry : I'm not at all the person to tell you, but I think you have to do an dpkg-buildpackage -S *.dsc and send the source package to revu 
[11:05] <comadreja> thierry : what I mean is that I don't really know the procedure
[11:05] <ivoks> thierry: #ubuntu-motu for revu
[11:05] <thierry> ok but all I want is a patch to send on the ubuntu bugzilla
[11:05] <ivoks> comadreja: 627 is screem
[11:06] <ivoks> thierry: diff -ur new-source old-source
[11:06] <comadreja> ivoks : yes, and screem uses libdbus-1
[11:06] <thierry> k thanks
[11:06] <thierry> and the old source is the orig.tar.gz file?
[11:06] <ivoks> uh...
[11:07] <comadreja> thierry : I think thats the upstream source
[11:07] <ivoks> comadreja: i don't understand this bug at all :))
[11:07] <thierry> k
[11:07] <comadreja> ivoks : neither do I :). I just know that screem uses dbus
[11:07] <comadreja> and that problably should be using dbus_glib
[11:08] <comadreja> I thought that could be the transition...
[11:09] <infinity> thierry : As rsync is in main, it'll need a main uploader to fix it anyway.
[11:10] <infinity> thierry : And as the bug is a) very simple, and b) already assigned, you can assume it'll probably get fixed before breezy.
[11:10] <infinity> thierry : (By the guy it's assigned to, even, which is me)
[11:11] <cmatheson> hey we got a bunch of friends here and we're wanting to work on the ubuntu-express stuff... what work has been done already?
[11:11] <ivoks> :)
[11:12] <thierry> infinity : so I can forget it?
[11:13] <thierry> infinity : or sending my patch would a good idea?
[11:14] <infinity> thierry : It's a one-line patch, and the bug already has the fix in it (though not in patch format)
[11:14] <infinity> thierry : Also, in the time it took you to ask me that, I fixed it and uploaded the fixed package.  And closed the bug.
[11:15] <thierry> thanks :) anyway I've learned something!
[11:15] <infinity> thierry : Learning is always good.
[11:16] <thierry> yep
[11:16] <infinity> thierry : The cleanest way to get your aptch, btw, would be to "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -S", then in .., you'll see you now have two source packages.  The old and new.
[11:16] <infinity> thierry : debdiff *.dsc will give you a nice diff of the pair.
[11:17] <thierry> cool
[11:17] <ivoks> :))
[11:19] <thierry> infinity : I'll try it on bug 11459, don't steal it this time ;)
[11:20] <infinity> thierry : I didn't steal it, it was assigned to me. :)
[11:20] <infinity> thierry : Try to pick bugs that are assigned to "debzilla@ubuntu.com"
[11:21] <thierry> infinity : ho ok! yeah I'll try
[11:24] <thierry> infinity : I don't have the debdiff command and sudo apt-get install debdiff doesn't work
[11:28] <infinity> thierry : devscripts.
[11:40] <thierry> infinity : thierry@modemcable050:~/dev/ubun$ debdiff irssi-text_0.8.9-1ubuntu3.dsc > 11459.patch
[11:40] <thierry> debdiff: fatal error at line 205:
[11:40] <thierry> Need exactly two deb files or changes files to compare
[11:46] <seb128> hi
[11:46] <seb128> is jdthood@yahoo.co.uk on IRC?
[11:47] <infinity> thierry : debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[11:47] <infinity> thierry : Though the error message seems pretty self-explanatory there.
[11:47] <thierry> infinity : ho! I didn't know I needed a .dsc before and after the changes! thanks
[11:48] <lamont> daniels: ??
[11:48] <infinity> thierry : Your new one would have overwritten the old if you didn't update the changelog before building.  You did update the changelog, right? :)
[11:49] <infinity> thierry : (hint: "dch -i" in the source directory.  hint2: read the debian new maintainer's guide)
[11:49] <seb128> is there somebody around with the sync from Debian magic? :)
[11:51] <thierry> infinity : do I need to change the package version number? If so to what?
[11:51] <seb128> is there any bugzilla master than can stop somebody to make changes?
[12:03] <carstenh_> thierry: 23:49:10 < infinity> thierry : (hint: "dch -i" in the source directory.  hint2: 
[12:03] <carstenh_>           read the debian new maintainer's guide)
[12:04] <carstenh_> you should read hint 2 :)