[12:04] ATM it has a big-ass old MS natural keyboard [12:04] with a wire [12:04] well [12:04] i have a similar setup in my parents basement for mythtv [12:05] i find that the normal "cordless" rf keyboards dont have a really great range [12:05] sitting on the couch its hard to get a signal across [12:05] if i had an unlimited budget id try ir, bluetooth etc [12:06] w00t === lu|away didn't like having a browser anyway [12:09] lu|away: gtk 2.7.2 announce [12:10] wasabi, what would be the correct way to package eclipse plugins? [12:10] damn [12:10] tseng, bluetooth has a really wiiiideee range [12:10] chrissturm: well, it can [12:11] seb128: yeah, couple of hours ago, I told you :) [12:11] some stuff cuts out at 10m [12:11] gtk? [12:11] yeah [12:11] (by design) [12:11] lu|away: is the ftp list b0rked or something? [12:11] oh, maybe [12:11] I use it to know what to package [12:11] commits-list is borked [12:11] and I don't get mails [12:11] bah [12:11] I was looking at dtk-devel [12:11] k [12:11] which had it 2 1/2 hours ago ;) [12:11] anyway time to sleep [12:11] I'll package it tomorrow [12:12] yeah [12:12] hopefully i'll just use it from CVS soon [12:12] night! [12:12] thanks [12:12] later === hunger [~tobias@p54A63BBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [~tobias@p54A63BBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["...] === hunger [~tobias@p54A63BBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alerim [~alerim@voltaire-102-1-10.net1.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] does eclipse run with gcj or does it need a sun jdk? [12:47] chrissturm: I think they make both versions [12:47] chrissturm: Some has compiled with Eclipse with gcj, but it may not be the latest version === aigarius [~aigarius@a130-233-4-33.debconf5.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] ok, but the version in breezy needs a sun jdk? [12:48] chrissturm: I think that is correct [12:49] i would really like to package some eclipse plugins as debs [12:49] tseng: welcome to the hhk2 club! [12:49] whiprush: woo === dmk [~dmk@host81-156-26-148.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] chrissturm: the eclipse package in breezy is running with gcj === doko [~doko@a130-233-4-29.debconf5.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] siretart, how do i configure it to use gcj? [12:58] chrissturm: just apt-get install it [12:59] i have it installed, and running [12:59] and in about / config i see that it used the sun jdk [12:59] hm then you should ask wasabi about this. I don't know how to switch [12:59] gn8 [01:00] thx === lamont [~lamont@15.238.5.49] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] ah /etc/jvm.d/eclipse [01:04] hey lamont - just got back from beers with bdale :-) [01:05] sabdfl, any news on backports? [01:05] Mez: incoming [01:05] ..? [01:06] incoming? [01:06] just asked this question in ubuntu-motu and no one answer - I think everyone is asleep. maybe you guys can help [01:06] I have been trying to build a few deb packages but I am not sure if I have done them right [01:06] thought we would have it this week, i guess it just needs a little love from infinity and lamont [01:06] they install fine, but just wanted to be sure [01:06] when I was doing packages for Slackware we used to have a script that verified everything [01:06] ah fair enough... I'm just wondering how we're going to get the thing to build the packages thats all [01:06] sorry if this is the wrong place to ask === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-120.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] evening sabdfl [01:07] I'm just not sure how the process would go if we're not making the source uploads (plus apparently the sbuild doesnt like ~'s in the version) [01:07] lamont, hows backports going on your bit of it? [01:07] backports is there, btw [01:07] see archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dpkg [01:08] I noticed the repository was there... [01:08] having said that. wanna-build needs a little bit more love, and then i think all should just be happy [01:08] (I can't give things back, because wanna-build gets confused about that ~) [01:09] hi lamont [01:10] sabdfl: I'll hammer on wanna-build some more this evening, and then we should be good to go. (all the buildd's are currently trying to build it, etc.) [01:10] lamont: cool. how's the bandwidth holding up at home these days? [01:11] sucky [01:11] I've taken to freshening a USB drive at work from time to time, from the local mirror here in fort collins [01:12] sabdfl: and otherwise, I'm running right around my quota for high-bw usage [01:13] lamont: wimax? === |QuaD- [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] sabdfl: I get all I want if the average is < 56kbps. for >= 56kbps, I get ~100MB/day [01:14] max is around 400-500kbps [01:14] which isn't terribly bad, given everything === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] #ubuntu [01:19] (I didn't knowingly make any changes to network-admin) [01:19] this is development chan [01:19] err, sorry === wasabi_ [~wasabi@207.55.180.100] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] wasabi, are there instructions how to package eclipse plugins as debs for ubuntu? === lamont scratches his head, noting that w-b is actually happy [01:25] lol @ lamont === Speedy2 [~John@cpe-70-93-199-87.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:25] chrissturm, no, but there needs to be [01:25] I am trying to figure it out for CDT currently. [01:25] wasabi, i would like to try webtools [01:25] Please give it a go. [01:25] webtools rock big time [01:26] I really want to see it take off. [01:26] I am making some big changes to Eclipse right now, which will probably effect you in the long term. [01:26] does it work well with gcj? i am running eclipse with gcj for the first time today [01:26] Does web tools? Don't know. [01:26] Eclipse works for the most part. Debugging doesn't. [01:27] But Eclipse launches an external VM to run. [01:27] how does the performance compare? [01:27] It's slower than Sun's, but better than interpreted. [01:27] thats very good news for non intel platforms [01:27] chrissturm, I am preparing to move Eclipse to /usr/lib/eclipse from /usr/sahre/eclipse. [01:27] fabbione: somehow I expect you're not around? [01:27] Most stuff will be in /usr/share, with symlinks in /usr/lib pointing to it. [01:28] Basically it's the only way I can get FHS compatibility out of it. [01:28] wasabi_, is there also a per-user plugin directory? [01:28] chrissturm, there will be. [01:28] chrissturm, RedHat has a nice patch for that I will be applying. === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] eclipse had always supported that [01:28] RedHat has some mods. [01:28] bbl =) [01:29] please help === muszilla [~mussgill@p213.54.83.47.tisdip.tiscali.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [01:30] Is there any benefit to putting eth0 in the "hotplug" interface on /etc/network/interfaces ? [01:31] (why does Ubuntu do it that way?) [01:32] Speedy2: lets you auto-up interfaces without always trying to bring them up (and failing when the PC card isn't plugged in) [01:33] lamont: Ok . For some odd reason, with my own kernel hotplug fails to bring eth0 up. Does hotplug use hal ? === lamont shrugs [01:33] lamont: I'm using a PCI NIC. The only thing I can think of is that PCI hotplug wasn't compiled in === lamont hasn't played with that part of things much.. hal and dbus are both certainly involved in hardware detection/config [01:34] how does that compare to network manager? === lamont gets back to the paying job === Arrogance [~aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-167-68.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dmk [~dmk@host81-156-26-148.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === ealden [~ealden@219.90.92.167] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niran_ [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jasoncohen [~jason@pcp0011382713pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:30] where are breezy's packages stored after they are built by the automated build system but before they enter the pool directory? is their an incoming server like incoming.debian.org? 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[03:57] davyd: of course it does [03:57] mine stopped working with -34 [03:57] i810? [03:57] i915 [03:57] will be fixed in -35 [03:58] daniels: what broke? [03:58] also, how long till -35? [03:58] davyd: when daniels blesses you with it [03:59] tseng: well, this biatch left me without a working X server [03:59] :/ [04:00] I also couldn't see how one would obviously downgrade X, I know it's meant to be modular, but there are things like xserver-common and x-common and such [04:00] and I just don't know the dependancy tree [04:02] "Ubuntu is calling it a 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device" - any clues daniels? [04:02] (actually, iz driver on intel's site) [04:02] lamont: i845, which uses the i810 driver [04:02] davyd: code which made it start segfaulting in breezy [04:02] davyd: downgrading xserver-xorg alone from -34 to -33 should be safe [04:02] daniels: ah, ok. should hoary correctly detect that, or does one have to force i810, and if so, how? [04:03] daniels: ok... it seems that gdm doesn't correctly relay that there was a segv [04:03] davyd: sounds about right [04:03] that's why I was feeling confused [04:04] lamont: um, hoary will detect and use it fine. but is this a desktop where the resolution is capped at 640x480? [04:04] also, startx didn't seem to work [04:04] yes [04:04] lamont: if so, XORG_SYNC_RANGES=yes sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg [04:04] will be fixed in a hoary-update [04:05] daniels: thanks - that'll get my brother off my back... and then there's my _other_ question..... but you know what that is. [04:05] lamont: yeah, the answer to that is in your other IRC client [04:05] i'm still trying to work out a way to plug in and meaningfully use my desktop === lamont reads his other desktop, feels sympathy for daniels === squinn [~squinn@68.205.198.0] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [~mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:21] welcome back, mgalvin [04:24] :) [04:24] had to restart gnome a few time after install new apps to refresh menus === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:24] working on the gnome docs [04:26] what gnome doc in particular? === squinn moves conversation to #ubuntu-doc [04:29] well, mostly the gnome faq guide, but i am modify the menu entities to reflect the breezy menus === lamont --> home === Arrogance [~aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-83-109.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-67-174-81-195.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mitario [~michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:15] hello everyone [05:16] Hello Mitario [05:17] little question here.. i'm finishing update manager for a new release and since i'm not a native english speaker.. is it 'There are x packages available for updating.'? [05:18] Sounds correct to me === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === womble [~mpalmer@eth1859.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [~stub@203-217-37-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@59.95.2.128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [~ealden@219.90.92.167] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:11] <|QuaD-> anyone around? === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun [~crimsun@crimsun.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:32] emacs21: error while loading shared libraries: libXaw3d.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [06:32] hrmpf === auxesis_ [~lindsay@li12-168.members.linode.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [~luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [~wasabi@c-67-174-81-195.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _malex [~malex@mrb319.cvmbs.colostate.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aisipos [~aisipos@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:07] are direct upgrades from wary to breezy supported or at least possible? === lakin [~lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun [crimsun@crimsun.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:21] mgalvin, it's recommended that you upgrade incrementally [07:22] mgalvin, each release has changes in dependencies (pacakges with new names, new dependencies, removal of old dependencies etc.). to resolve this, there are virtual dummy packages to aid in the upgrade process. === dougsk [~doug@65.61.112.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:23] however, this is meant to work between releases - from warty to hoary- not from warty to breezy [07:23] anyways, breezy is in no shape to be used as a stable distribution. if you didn't want to upgrade to hoary, your surely not going to want to use breezy at this time. why not upgrade to hoary now and wait until breezy is released in october? === henriquemaia [~henriquem@cb-217-129-174-207.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^_ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch [~ajmitch@port163-96.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:31] jasoncohen, i ask b/c i am working on the ubuntu documentation, i was just wondered if it was possible and worth putting in the docs [07:32] its not a good idea, i figured as much, but wanted other opinions [07:32] it'll probably lead to upgrade problems [07:32] right [07:33] it's just that people asks those kinds of questions :) [07:34] been buisy mgalvin? [07:34] busy^ [07:34] rob^, yea :) [07:34] :) [07:34] I've been trying to figure out lufs ftpfs all day.. [07:35] it wont mount my xbox [07:35] :( [07:35] i never tried that, no xbox [07:36] I have about 45gig of mp3s on it I want to access from my pc [07:36] why not just use a real network filesystem? [07:36] without copying them across [07:36] on the xbox? [07:36] what like? [07:37] ? [07:37] smb, nfs, afs, coda ... [07:37] the xbox has a smb server without running one of the various Linux distros for it? [07:38] whats it called? === seth_k is away: sleep [07:40] pfft.. kernel module? [07:41] you want to continue running windows on it? ah [07:43] well.. [07:44] I want to be able to still play games on it [07:45] it IS an xbox after all === [Chameleon] [~Paul@000f660c9c52.click-network.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [~mdz@pc-n71.wlan.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:28] morning === chol [chol@y.olaglig.nu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:41] mdz: far from home? === ealden [~ealden@219.90.93.88] has joined #ubuntu-devel === astro76 [~james@astro76.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:51] so, while there are arguments over how to behave on, say, 5 minutes of idle time: [08:51] a) do nothing [08:51] b) throw up a screen saver [08:51] c) blank the screen [08:51] d) go into S3 [08:51] i think we can all agree that D is completely wrong [08:52] daniels: yes, I think so too [08:52] daniels: you could always do what the mac does [08:52] screen saver after 5, S3 after 50? [08:52] er, 60 [08:53] daniels: on battery or in general? [08:53] it also dulls the screen after 5 or so minutes [08:53] Mithrandir: in general [08:54] davyd: right, dimming the backlight is a top plan [08:54] daniels: I would be majorly pissed off if a machine I left off suddenly went to sleep for no apparent reason. [08:54] Mithrandir: you too, hey? [08:54] never mind the SSH session you had running, or the huge downloads you had going [08:54] fascists [08:54] daniels: some of the power management stuff in ubuntu is crack [08:54] so S3 after 60 minutes is just crackful. [08:54] I rewrote a lot of mine today [08:55] davyd: acpi-support? [08:55] Mithrandir: it does that on desktops, dude [08:55] daniels: yeah [08:55] it might be worth considering acpi-support-ibm and acpi-support-toshiba [08:55] and lots of that stuff [08:55] davyd: file a bug :) [08:55] mmm, we used to have acpi-support-x40 [08:55] then we realised everything in the x40 is fine [08:55] because I have non-shit ACPI [08:55] daniels: uh. So it crashes any desktop with SATA and other niceties like that? [08:55] what we really need to do is have portable interfaces for 'dim the backlight', 'enable bluetooth', 'disable the wireless radio', et al [08:55] all the workarounds break my machine [08:56] and then have system-specific binaries, where we autodetect which one to use [08:56] Mithrandir: dunno, this was in the 10.1 days [08:56] haven't used OS X since [08:56] daniels: sounds like a similar solution [08:56] daniels: oh, OS X. I thought this was about what we were doing/going to do. [08:56] daniels: I think you still can configure it to sleep [08:56] Mithrandir: shit no [08:56] from memory it doesn't with mounted external disks [08:56] it's an interesting feature [09:00] also, I only have one Squire left [09:01] and I haven't managed to read chapters 2, 3 or 5 of the story [09:01] I knew I should have bought a case === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@gnulinuxer.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [~simira@194.24.252.250] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [~jinty@a130-233-4-89.debconf5.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Safari_Al [~tr@ppp237-65.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogami1972 [~michael@66-90-146-79.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] HEY DEVELOPERS! thank you! === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@a130-233-4-26.debconf5.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Panzerboy [~NoName@panzerboy.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alerim [~alerim@voltaire-102-1-10.net1.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === __keybuk [~scott@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KonvIRC_ [~konversat@195.130.52.250] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KonvIRC_ is now known as vedran === jeroen_ [~jeroen@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bytee [~byte@pentafluge.infradead.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bytee is now known as bytee_ [10:09] sladen: any word on usplash? [10:11] wasabi: ping === mitsuhiko [~mitsuhiko@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zeedo [~zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hieronymus [~Hieronymu@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:36] bah, source only packages, anyone has any idea how I increment patch such package? [10:38] what do you want to do? [10:38] if you need a rebuild, just bump the version number and add 'no changes' or such to the changelog [10:40] daniels: I need to patch it bits, and then test build [10:41] daniels: where do I drop the diffs? :-) [10:41] oh, you mean DBS? [10:41] daniels: (I'm used to working with dpatch enabled packags) [10:41] where you dpkg-source -x something, and it has a tarball in the root directory? [10:42] fakeroot debian/rules setup is the generally-accepted way to unpack it, although source.make might be used intsead [10:42] daniels: I think so...not sure :-) [10:42] then put your patches in debian/patches [10:42] daniels: it's gedit package, let me look again, I may be wrong wrt the source pkg thingy [10:43] daniels: I have a /debian folder under the root, however it contains no "patches" dir [10:43] sivang: might vary [10:44] daniels: so that's not a source based pakcage? (the one with only the source tarball and a path tarball ) [10:44] s/path/patch/ [10:46] daniels: it's using cdbs, and simple-patchsys , but I can't see the pathces dir [10:50] sivang: then it probably doesn't have any patches being applied [10:50] daniels: oh, so it's a new upstream release maybe? === sivang ponders the changlog === hunger [~tobias@p54A645AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] weird, it has a -2 modifier, so it can't be new upstream [10:53] maybe it just has no source patches? [10:54] hello [10:54] who is packager for icewm? [10:54] daniels: right, only chnages to the debian portions. silly me [10:55] i'd like to ask them something :) [10:57] ah sorry - there's name in deb - ignore :o [10:58] ogra: coin ? === doko [~doko@a130-233-4-29.debconf5.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === icaro [~icaro@adsl-ull-233-19.44-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [~tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mitsuhiko [~mitsuhiko@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:48] ubuntu on www.spiegel.de: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/technologie/0,1518,364354,00.html === henriquemaia [~henriquem@cb-217-129-174-207.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanC [~janc@dD5764BEC.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:01] q: is it possible to do a network install of ubuntu? [12:01] i have a computer with no cd... [12:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalNetInstall [12:02] you can do it with netboot [12:02] next time you want to ask #ubuntu, see topic. [12:03] ok tnx... sorry [12:03] you can do it from an existing linux install too [12:03] read the ubuntu/debian installer manual [12:05] apt-get install debian-installer-manual === SloMoSnail [~slomo@p5487C791.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] tnx to all === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [~jinty@a130-233-4-89.debconf5.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robtaylor_ [~robtaylor@a130-233-4-36.debconf5.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_ [~tobias@p54A656E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DanielN [~daniel@80-218-240-48.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [~mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] is there any ubuntu-translators # ? === Safari_Al [~tr@ppp245-227.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] zyga, there is a mailing list if that helps [01:12] zyga, if your problem is launchpad related, you can try #launchpad === dilinger [dilinger@mouth.voxel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] or rosetta-users@lists === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@59.95.3.42] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [~ogra@p5089CE3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === susus [~sz@p5089CE3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [~rpGirl@a130-233-4-37.debconf5.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:25] I'm trying to import my gpg key [01:25] but rosetta crashes === dr88dr88 [~gerrit@h174040.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@d022064.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === odeez [~zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:56] zyga, that is not rosetta, its launchpad, you can file a bug or ask in #launchpad [01:56] zyga, btw is your key on the keyservers? [02:10] mdke: no ;) [02:10] mdke: but It shouldn't have borked on me [02:10] zyga, yeah i know, i think that is a known issue [02:10] jbailey: ping === Gandalfar [~gandalf@BSN-77-186-194.dsl.siol.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:22] hello, can anyone hint me how to build ubuntu cdimage? [02:34] Gandalfar: search the wiki AFAIR there is some info on this topic there === HWolf [~hidden@136.126.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HWolf grins. "ubuntu-driven conspiracies to kill debian" phrase found on planet debian [02:38] HWolf: Oh noes! === mxpxpod [~bryan@12-207-1-46.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zwnj [~behnam@81.31.160.199] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@info12-107.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:40] nice, isn't it. [02:40] ja :) === icaro [~icaro@adsl-ull-233-19.44-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:40] uh.. wrong channel.. "yeah" :) [02:42] daniels: ping [02:43] Gandalfar: the scripts we use are in arch; http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/archives/colin.watson@canonical.com--2005, colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/cdimage--mainline--0; baz build-config configs/devel [02:44] thank you :) [02:44] Gandalfar: that's probably too brief for you to actually build images from, but I'm about to go out to a wedding [02:44] it's a start, creating a derivate will be a long term task anyway [02:44] Kamion: heh, I have a wedding this morning too :) === LinuxJones [~willy@blk-222-221-81.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:55] jdub: ping === simira [~simira@a130-233-4-65.debconf5.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dougsk [~doug@65.61.112.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:04] lamont: ping [03:05] Mez: sup? [03:05] PM [03:06] PM? [03:06] /query :P [03:06] wondering why http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/s/sdlperl/1.20.3-1ubuntu5/ is bombing out even though all dependencies are there === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [~ealden@219.90.93.88] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:09] there is something weird going on with gl and glu in xorg [03:09] I dont get it either [03:09] Let's all poke daniels to ask! [03:13] is it possible/allowed to build depend on a virtual package? [03:13] siretart : Yes, but if you want to be sure you get a specific version on the buildds, use "real | virtual" [03:13] siretart: it's real simple... anything that build-depends xlibmesa-glu-dev is b0rked [03:14] lamont: its about sdlperl, yes [03:14] siretart: also note that if you build-dep on a virtual package, and it's not in the archive, then it requires a manual whack by infinity or I to clear the depwait... [03:14] ok, will upload then a package build depending on libgl-dev-xorg and libglu-dev-xorg, then. ok? [03:15] mxpxpod: pong [03:15] well, given that libgl-dev-xorg doesn't seem to exist yet..... [03:15] oh [03:15] O [03:15] :/ [03:15] I'd probably just use libglu-dev-xorg. :-) [03:16] ok. testing that in pbuilder now [03:16] daniels: updating the binaries line or such to make xlibmesa-glu-dev go away would be a good thing... [03:17] jdub: did gnome-gpg change? it used to be that I could call gnome-gpg and it would pop up a dialog asking me for a password... now it tells me it can't determine the key id to use === tvo [~tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:18] no changes to gnome-gpg; perhaps you've added a key and aren't defining it? i don't know the answer. [03:19] jdub: not defining it? [03:19] mxpxpod: usually it means that either you have no secret keys, or you have more than one [03:19] hmm [03:20] ok. libglu-dev-xorg seems to work. uploading package now [03:21] Treenaks: aw man, something is messed up in my keyring [03:22] Treenaks: I get invalid packets [03:22] mxpxpod: probably your secret key [03:23] jsgotangco: what do you mean? === tvo [~tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:26] Treenaks: is there a way to rebuild my keyring? === ABin [~Marduk@61-231-30-233.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:28] backup? [03:28] mxpxpod: I have those too. I _think_ it's Alexander Schmehl and/or Andreas Mueller [03:28] gpg: buffer shorter than subpacket [03:28] gpg: signature packet without timestamp [03:28] that stuff right? [03:28] no [03:29] mxpxpod: then there's gpg --rebuild [03:29] gpg: checking the trustdb [03:29] gpg: [don't know] : invalid packet (ctb=00) [03:29] gpg: keyring_search failed: invalid packet [03:29] gpg: failed to rebuild keyring cache: invalid packet [03:29] mxpxpod: but that's for rebuilding the signature caches [03:29] mxpxpod: try #gnupg === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@info12-107.info.com.ph] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === alerim_ [~alerim@courbevoie-103-1-145.net1.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:40] Treenaks: ok, so why can't gnome-gpg determine the key to use? [03:40] mxpxpod: can gnupg? [03:40] I think so [03:40] I don't get that message when using gpg [03:41] then I don't know, as I don't use gnome-gpg [03:41] hrmm === jk [~jochem@jkossen.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:41] Treenaks: yeah gpg finds my key just fine [03:42] you fixed your ring? [03:42] yeah, there was a pubring.gpg~ that I copied into pubring.gpg [03:42] ah ok [03:42] pubring.gpg was full of junk [03:43] oh, you know what... [03:43] how did it get that way? [03:43] no clue [03:49] Treenaks: this is strange === jinty [~jinty@a130-233-4-89.debconf5.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:56] jdub: it's strange... I have to specify --local-user now with gnome-gpg === ealden [~ealden@ipdial-191-160.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === swarm [~swarm@host138-126.pool80181.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === womble [~mpalmer@eth1859.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnert [~gnert@a84-230-149-182.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cartman [~cartman@81.214.40.188] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed [~daniel@i528C356E.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-1735.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont considers filing a bug against oo.o2 saying it should be broken up into pieces that are only big enough to choke elephants [04:18] lamont: since elephants are easier to choke than lamonts? [04:18] they have much bigger mouths [04:18] 195812895 bytes of orig.tar.gz is a bit excessive [04:19] and the 14741694 byte diff.gz doesn't really help matters.... [04:19] oh, I'll need to put more stuff into ia32-libs, then? [04:19] yeah - you're not even in the same ballpark there... :) === swarm [~swarm@host138-126.pool80181.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [~tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:22] 3 hours into the download, only 172e6 bytes to go. :-( [04:23] but I have over 12% of the file === lamont drops oo.o2 from his mirror [04:25] who mirrors? [04:25] isn't caching the cool new thing? [04:25] not when you have to shape your bandwidth [04:26] caching at 30kbps sucks. mirroring a partial mirror doesn't suck quite so much [04:26] that's kbits/sec === enrico_ [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico_ is now known as enrico === Clint [~Clint@thumb.scru.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [~jinty@a130-233-5-251.debconf5.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robtaylor_ [~robtaylor@a130-233-4-225.debconf5.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aigarius [~aigarius@a130-233-5-223.debconf5.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === simira [~rpGirl@a130-233-4-233.debconf5.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@gnulinuxer.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico_ [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico_ is now known as enrico === Robinho_Peixoto [1000@200164016117.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:00] =( X move broke eclipse === Jhair [~jto@p54A3F973.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:06] Actually that was pretty damned weird. I was missing /usr/include/X11/X.h [05:06] But I *reinstalled* x11proto-core-dev and now I have it [05:06] running apt-get --purge remove python2.3 leaves two symbolic links which triggers: [05:06] dpkg - warning: while removing python2.3, directory `/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages' not empty so not removed. [05:06] system: breezy [05:06] is this a bug? === sabdfl [~mark@pc-n71.wlan.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont goes off for the day === enrico_ [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Safari_Al [~tr@ppp236-114.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:17] arrrr [05:17] evo crashes when trying to add a new (http) calendar. === swarm [~swarm@host138-126.pool80181.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:21] Mithrandir: evo crashes on LOTS of things ;-). [05:21]