| jeffsch | ok, i added 'cp default.css ../build/gnome/default.css' to the all target | 12:10 |
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| jeffsch | it will copy when you do make all | 12:10 |
| jeffsch | bbl | 12:13 |
| mdke | jeffsch, thanks :) | 12:15 |
| mdke | --> bed | 12:29 |
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| jsgotangco | mdke: ping | 02:02 |
| jsgotangco | hmm maybe later im going to eat breakfast first | 02:03 |
| jsgotangco | later then | 02:03 |
| rob^ | whoa thunderbird keeps dieing everytime I select an email.. | 02:40 |
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| squinn | hey. whoever's here -- can you check status on my svn account? it's been almost 2 weeks since james @ canonical has gotten back to me | 03:31 |
| mgalvin | squinn, i've been waiting a week for mine too | 03:34 |
| mgalvin | so has rob^ | 03:34 |
| mgalvin | elmo moved houses, so he's been busy with that i think | 03:35 |
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| squinn | ah okay, but i think mine's past elmo now | 04:10 |
| squinn | it went from enrico to james troup | 04:12 |
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| mgalvin | squinn, well, mostly the gnome faq guide, but i am modify the menu entities to reflect the breezy menus | 04:33 |
| squinn | ah are you running breezy? | 04:34 |
| mgalvin | yup :) | 04:36 |
| squinn | mgalvin, what are restricted modules? | 04:36 |
| squinn | i have an idea of what they are | 04:36 |
| squinn | but say i need linux-wlan-ng and ndiswrapper to get my web up | 04:37 |
| squinn | that requires linux headers | 04:37 |
| mgalvin | those are kernel modules, i'm not exactly sure why they are called restricted | 04:38 |
| squinn | but if i compiled them by source, they wouldn't work? | 04:39 |
| squinn | seems like it works when you compile from source | 04:42 |
| squinn | i'm going to try to live on the wild side and upgrade | 04:42 |
| squinn | no dist-upgrade; just upgrade | 04:42 |
| mgalvin | when running breezy its usaully best to use upgrade or install specific update that you know will not break your system | 04:49 |
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| jeffsch | mgalvin: thanks for the patches. | 04:55 |
| jeffsch | mgalvin: your choice of subject line for the emails made it easier | 04:55 |
| jeffsch | mgalvin: and putting the svn change message in the body was good too | 04:55 |
| jeffsch | good stuff | 04:55 |
| mgalvin | jeffsch, i'm glad to help :) | 05:00 |
| jeffsch | :) | 05:00 |
| mgalvin | jeffsch, ok so now all the currently existing gnome menu entries reflect breezy | 05:03 |
| mgalvin | i am going to add some new ones too, and add them to gnome-menus-C.ent file | 05:05 |
| jeffsch | whew! | 05:05 |
| mgalvin | :) | 05:05 |
| mgalvin | should i post new ones as just the new file. or should i post them as diffs | 05:05 |
| mgalvin | whatever is easier for you | 05:05 |
| jeffsch | if it's a brand new file that does not already exist in svn, then post the file | 05:08 |
| mgalvin | ok | 05:08 |
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| mgalvin | jeffsch, what do you think about gedit... gedit.xml or text-editor.xml | 05:25 |
| mgalvin | its text editor in the menu | 05:25 |
| jeffsch | text-editor.xml | 05:27 |
| jeffsch | you never know when TPTB may decide to change editors | 05:27 |
| mgalvin | right ok | 05:27 |
| mgalvin | ok time for a break :) | 05:31 |
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| froud | African Greetings | 08:01 |
| mgalvin | froud, American Greetings :) | 08:01 |
| froud | ooooh, now that's nice menus are updated to 5.10 :-) go mgalvin | 08:02 |
| mgalvin | and more on the way :) | 08:02 |
| froud | nice | 08:02 |
| froud | whoohoo mdke has preview page up | 08:05 |
| froud | looks like things are rock'n and a dock'n on ubuntu | 08:05 |
| mgalvin | yup, we're on a roll today | 08:05 |
| froud | cool | 08:06 |
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| mgalvin | ok its 2:40 am here time for bed, good night guys, c y'all l8r | 08:40 |
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| mdke | morning | 10:03 |
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| mdke | holy shit | 10:03 |
| froud | nice to see heh :-) | 10:04 |
| mdke | has all of mgalvin's stuff been applied? | 10:04 |
| mdke | 82 mails this morning... | 10:05 |
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| froud | mdke: not yet I was about to apply the stuff from this morning, jeffsch did yesterdays stuff | 10:06 |
| mdke | ok do you mind doing it or do you want me to do some? | 10:06 |
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| froud | mdke: I am in the process of applying this mornings work | 10:09 |
| froud | jeff did last nights | 10:09 |
| mdke | froud, question was, do you want me to help with this mornings? | 10:11 |
| froud | Ah, not to worry the files are already saved to my disk I just need to add them to svn and commit | 10:11 |
| froud | thanks | 10:11 |
| froud | enjoy your morning coffee | 10:12 |
| mdke | ok cool | 10:12 |
| mdke | good idea | 10:12 |
| mdke | i can listen to great britain getting thrashed at rugby again | 10:12 |
| froud | all done, now send mail to list | 10:20 |
| mdke | just do one mail if i were you | 10:21 |
| froud | you asked I did, sire | 10:27 |
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| froud | sent at 10H23 | 10:34 |
| mdke | lists are slow i guess | 10:35 |
| mdke | froud, you got a moment to help me with something? | 10:55 |
| froud | yep | 10:55 |
| mdke | i'm trying to learn how to use Xinclude | 10:55 |
| froud | ok | 10:55 |
| mdke | is it possible to include just sections of another xml file, or do I have to include the whole file? | 10:56 |
| froud | XInclude is for whole files | 10:56 |
| froud | XPointer for a selected node | 10:56 |
| mdke | ah | 10:56 |
| froud | To use XPointer you need to understand XPath | 10:57 |
| froud | It's not hard to use XPointer | 10:57 |
| froud | let me just get the section you need to read | 10:57 |
| mdke | i'm at http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/DuplicateIDs.html | 10:58 |
| froud | oh yes | 10:58 |
| froud | that's the one | 10:59 |
| mdke | and i've got http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/ModularDoc.html open | 10:59 |
| froud | yes | 10:59 |
| froud | now you need tutorial for xpointer | 10:59 |
| froud | see http://www.zvon.org | 10:59 |
| froud | like this example | 11:00 |
| mdke | ok | 11:00 |
| froud | <xi:include href="module.xml" | 11:00 |
| froud | xpointer="xpointer(/section/*)" | 11:00 |
| froud | xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude"/> | 11:00 |
| froud | <xi:include href="module.xml" | 11:00 |
| froud | xpointer="xpointer(/section/*)" | 11:00 |
| froud | xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude"/> | 11:00 |
| froud | the oops | 11:00 |
| froud | the | 11:00 |
| froud | the /section/* is an XPath expression | 11:00 |
| froud | by building an XPath you can extract any node in the document | 11:01 |
| mdke | ok | 11:01 |
| froud | The rest if straight forward, right? | 11:01 |
| mdke | ok so /section/ is like an id for a particular part of the document? | 11:02 |
| froud | it's an expression | 11:02 |
| froud | it means that it will bring back all nodes in parent of <section> | 11:03 |
| mdke | hmm | 11:03 |
| froud | For example | 11:03 |
| froud | I want to list all the parts in a document | 11:03 |
| froud | I would do //part | 11:03 |
| froud | for the kubuntu user guide that would return | 11:04 |
| froud | /book[1] /part[1] - id="prt-intro" status="review"kuserguide.xmlfile:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml126:0 | 11:04 |
| froud | /book[1] /part[2] - id="prt-confighardware" status="help"kuserguide.xmlfile:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml360:0 | 11:04 |
| froud | /book[1] /part[3] - id="prt-kdesktop" status="help"kuserguide.xmlfile:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml412:0 | 11:04 |
| froud | /book[1] /part[4] - id="prt-internet" status="help"kuserguide.xmlfile:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml450:0 | 11:04 |
| froud | /book[1] /part[5] - id="prt-office" status="help"kuserguide.xmlfile:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml501:0 | 11:04 |
| froud | /book[1] /part[6] - id="prt-graphics" status="help"kuserguide.xmlfile:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml606:0 | 11:04 |
| froud | /book[1] /part[7] - id="prt-multimedia" status="help"kuserguide.xmlfile:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml658:0 | 11:04 |
| froud | /book[1] /part[8] - id="pt-expanding" status="writing"kuserguide.xmlfile:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml702:0 | 11:04 |
| froud | this here is an XPath | 11:04 |
| froud | this /book[1] /part[1] | 11:04 |
| mdke | ok | 11:04 |
| froud | so there is one book node | 11:05 |
| froud | and this is the first <part> node in the book | 11:05 |
| mdke | so if you wanted to include part 6 you'd do: xpointer="xpointer(/part/prt-graphics)" ? | 11:05 |
| froud | no | 11:05 |
| froud | gimme a sec | 11:06 |
| froud | this if I want to list all sect1 | 11:06 |
| froud | I do //sect1 | 11:06 |
| froud | I get /book[1] /part[5] /chapter[1] /sect1[1] - status="help" kuserguide.xml file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml 512:0 | 11:06 |
| mdke | where do you give that command? | 11:06 |
| froud | many items like that | 11:06 |
| froud | I use a structure xml editor that supports XPath | 11:06 |
| mdke | ah | 11:07 |
| froud | OK so if I want a specific node | 11:07 |
| froud | your question | 11:07 |
| froud | let's say you want to include a part from one book to another | 11:08 |
| froud | the part has an id attribute of prt-office | 11:09 |
| mdke | yes | 11:09 |
| froud | to return that node only you would do //part[@id="prt-office"] | 11:09 |
| froud | the result /book[1] /part[5] - id="prt-office" status="help" kuserguide.xml file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml 501:0 | 11:09 |
| mdke | sure | 11:10 |
| froud | therefore you can do xpointer="xpointer(/part[@id="prt-office"] ) | 11:10 |
| mdke | aha | 11:10 |
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| froud | so you can include all nodes | 11:11 |
| froud | xpointer="xpointer(/part[2] /chapter[1] /*) | 11:11 |
| froud | return all nodes in first chapter of part two | 11:12 |
| froud | be sure that when you do this that the nodes returned will be valid in context of your document structure | 11:12 |
| mdke | the target document? | 11:13 |
| froud | yes | 11:13 |
| froud | otherwise the document become invalid | 11:13 |
| mdke | so the parts/chapters have to be the same in both? | 11:13 |
| froud | yes | 11:13 |
| froud | you cant bring the child nodes of chapter into part because sect1 is not valid under part | 11:14 |
| mdke | yes i see | 11:14 |
| froud | play with the xpath tut on zon | 11:14 |
| froud | zvon | 11:14 |
| mdke | can i bring the child nodes of chapter into sect1? | 11:14 |
| froud | you can do amazing stuff with XPath | 11:14 |
| froud | no | 11:15 |
| mdke | ok | 11:15 |
| mdke | only into chapter | 11:15 |
| froud | sect1/sect1 will not be good | 11:15 |
| froud | but ifyou have chapter/sect1/para | 11:15 |
| froud | then you can bring the para into sect1 as sect1/para is valid | 11:16 |
| mdke | right | 11:16 |
| mdke | so the best thing is to include things para by para | 11:16 |
| froud | There is a java-based tool called treebeard that may be of help to you | 11:16 |
| mdke | i'm willing to try and learn the basics, i like learning new things | 11:17 |
| mdke | i'll need to do a bit of reading of course | 11:17 |
| froud | checkout this http://treebeard.sourceforge.net/ | 11:17 |
| froud | it will help you test your Xpaths | 11:17 |
| froud | make life easier for you in building XPaths that work | 11:17 |
| mdke | ah that does look pretty awesome | 11:18 |
| mdke | thanks froud | 11:19 |
| mdke | i'll dig in | 11:19 |
| froud | np xpath is fun enjoy | 11:19 |
| mdke | [10:12] < froud> xpointer="xpointer(/part[2] /chapter[1] /*) | 11:23 |
| mdke | is that example, does the first " get closed? | 11:23 |
| froud | yes you need to close the value | 11:23 |
| mdke | so it would be xpointer="xpointer(blah)" ? | 11:24 |
| froud | xpointer="xpointer(/part[2] /chapter[1] /*)" | 11:24 |
| mdke | okay gotcha | 11:24 |
| froud | the validate.sh supports XInclude/XPointer so that will also help | 11:25 |
| froud | Ok I must go for awhile. see you later, lemme know if it works for you. | 11:25 |
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| froud | mdke: is it working for you? | 01:33 |
| mdke | froud, no :) | 01:38 |
| froud | error messages? | 01:39 |
| mdke | let me show you what i did | 01:39 |
| froud | k | 01:39 |
| mdke | <xi:include href="../../upstream/gnome/update-manager/C/update-manager.xml" xpointer="xpointer(/sect1[@id="intro"] )" xmlns:xi=@http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude" /> | 01:39 |
| froud | what doc is this in? | 01:40 |
| mdke | i get 3 errors on that ;) | 01:40 |
| mdke | its in userguide.xml | 01:40 |
| froud | k | 01:40 |
| froud | errors? | 01:42 |
| mdke | http://pastebin.com/309959 | 01:43 |
| froud | there is no sect1 with @id of that value | 01:43 |
| froud | do you have a <sect1 id="intro"> in ../../upstream/gnome/update-manager/C/update-manager.xml | 01:45 |
| mdke | yes - <sect1 id="intro"> | 01:45 |
| mdke | unless I got the number of ../../ wrong | 01:45 |
| froud | hold | 01:46 |
| froud | you do but it has a parent so use article/sect1[@id="intro"] | 01:47 |
| froud | xpointer="xpointer(/article/sect1[@id="intro"] ) | 01:47 |
| mdke | I see! | 01:47 |
| mdke | hmm | 01:47 |
| mdke | same errors | 01:47 |
| froud | try also //sect1[@id="intro"] but I dont think it supports that | 01:48 |
| mdke | same errors on both | 01:48 |
| mdke | possibly an error in my structure | 01:49 |
| froud | Hmm I am assuming your wc of userguide.xml has xinclude enabled? | 01:50 |
| mdke | i haven't included any tags yet I just wrote the xinclude bit | 01:50 |
| mdke | aha | 01:50 |
| mdke | i don't know | 01:50 |
| mdke | maybe not, its the same as your svn copy | 01:50 |
| froud | OK | 01:50 |
| froud | add this to your external ent set | 01:50 |
| froud | <!ENTITY % xinclude SYSTEM "../../../libs/xinclude.mod"> | 01:50 |
| froud | %xinclude; | 01:50 |
| froud | between the [] in the top of the file | 01:51 |
| mdke | gotcha | 01:51 |
| froud | then save and try it | 01:51 |
| mdke | right that has got rid of the middle of the three errors | 01:52 |
| froud | now what do you have> | 01:52 |
| froud | pastebin | 01:52 |
| mdke | http://pastebin.com/309963 | 01:52 |
| mdke | the problem may be because I haven't got any tags around it? | 01:53 |
| froud | tags around it? | 01:53 |
| mdke | here is the whole of what I've done, included the tag before and the tag after | 01:53 |
| mdke | http://pastebin.com/309964 | 01:53 |
| mdke | maybe I have not got the structure right | 01:54 |
| froud | try just do xpointer="intro" | 01:56 |
| froud | start with the basic for now | 01:57 |
| mdke | same errors | 01:57 |
| froud | Hmm | 01:57 |
| froud | weird | 01:57 |
| froud | can you commit that so I can run it here | 01:58 |
| mdke | do you have an example in the kubuntu docs of an xpointer? | 01:58 |
| froud | Not yet | 01:58 |
| mdke | i'm still convinced I've buggered up the structure | 01:58 |
| mdke | ok i'll commit it | 01:58 |
| mdke | froud, how do I commit without sending the changes I've made to the makefile for the gentoo paths? | 01:59 |
| froud | just commit on the userguide.xml | 01:59 |
| froud | cd to the userguide dir | 01:59 |
| froud | svn commit -m sometext userguide.xml | 01:59 |
| froud | something like that | 01:59 |
| mdke | committed | 02:00 |
| mdke | line 1514 is the problematic one | 02:01 |
| froud | yep I see it | 02:01 |
| froud | F Element type "xi:include" must be followed by either attribute specifications, ">" or "/>".userguide.xmlfile:/home/sean/projects/ubuntu/trunk/gnome/userguide/C/userguide.xml1514:120 | 02:01 |
| mdke | what is wrong with it? | 02:03 |
| froud | sec | 02:04 |
| froud | -<xi:includehref="../../upstream/gnome/update-manager/C/update-manager.xml"xpointer="xpointer(/article/sect1[@id="intro"] )"xmlns:xi=@http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude"/> | 02:05 |
| froud | +<xi:includehref="../../upstream/gnome/update-manager/C/update-manager.xml"xpointer="xpointer(/article/sect1[@id=intro] )"xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude"/> | 02:05 |
| mdke | haha | 02:05 |
| froud | xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude" not xmlns:xi=@http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude" | 02:05 |
| froud | but this is not valid | 02:05 |
| froud | E Unexpected element "xi:include". The content of the parent element type must match "(beginpage?,chapterinfo?,(title,subtitle?,titleabbrev?),(toc|lot|index|glossary|bibliography)*,tocchap?,(((calloutlist|glosslist|itemizedlist|orderedlist|segmentedlist|simplelist|variablelist|caution|important|note|tip|warning|literallayout|programlisting|programlistingco|screen|screenco|screenshot|synopsis|cmdsynopsis|funcsynopsis|classsynopsis|fieldsyn | 02:05 |
| froud | E The content of element type "chapter" must match "(beginpage?,chapterinfo?,(title,subtitle?,titleabbrev?),(toc|lot|index|glossary|bibliography)*,tocchap?,(((calloutlist|glosslist|itemizedlist|orderedlist|segmentedlist|simplelist|variablelist|caution|important|note|tip|warning|literallayout|programlisting|programlistingco|screen|screenco|screenshot|synopsis|cmdsynopsis|funcsynopsis|classsynopsis|fieldsynopsis|constructorsynopsis|destruct | 02:05 |
| mdke | yeah that's what I thought with the structure | 02:06 |
| froud | well now you can work on your structure :-) | 02:06 |
| froud | lemme commit | 02:06 |
| mdke | np | 02:06 |
| froud | done | 02:07 |
| mdke | i still haven't got to grips with the whole structure thing but I can play around | 02:07 |
| froud | yes | 02:07 |
| froud | btw for that one you can just do | 02:08 |
| froud | <xi:include href="../../upstream/gnome/update-manager/C/update-manager.xml" xpointer="intro" xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude" /> | 02:08 |
| mdke | i c | 02:08 |
| froud | want a tip | 02:09 |
| mdke | always | 02:09 |
| froud | wrap the xi in a sect1 | 02:10 |
| froud | remember the xpointer does not bring in the node but its children | 02:10 |
| mdke | ok that's exactly what I wanted to have explained :) | 02:10 |
| mdke | thanks | 02:10 |
| froud | :-) np | 02:10 |
| froud | glad to be of help | 02:11 |
| mdke | gah | 02:11 |
| froud | as plovs once put it, "xmllint and froud. Good tools" | 02:11 |
| froud | enjoy | 02:12 |
| mdke | nearly there... but something is still not working | 02:12 |
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| froud | hmm | 02:12 |
| froud | what's that | 02:12 |
| jsgotangco | salut | 02:12 |
| froud | shalom | 02:12 |
| jsgotangco | what's what? | 02:12 |
| mdke | froud, ok here is the code AND the errors http://pastebin.com/309970 | 02:13 |
| froud | debug session with mdke | 02:13 |
| mdke | hey jsgotangco | 02:13 |
| mdke | i'm learning... | 02:13 |
| jsgotangco | oh buy the docbook print edition from o'reiley its really good | 02:14 |
| jsgotangco | im still looking for docbook xslt reference | 02:14 |
| froud | mdke: it cant find the xml file | 02:14 |
| mdke | stupid thing | 02:14 |
| mdke | i got the address wrong maybe? | 02:14 |
| jsgotangco | they still haven't fixed my laptop | 02:14 |
| froud | but that path is correct | 02:15 |
| jsgotangco | what's with mgalvin's commits? | 02:15 |
| mdke | yeah i double and triple checked it | 02:15 |
| froud | why is your system doing ../../../ | 02:15 |
| froud | when it should be doing ../../../ | 02:16 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, he did like 30 patches :) | 02:16 |
| froud | when it should be doing ../../ | 02:16 |
| jsgotangco | grrr im ashamed i havent done anything lately | 02:16 |
| jsgotangco | and my laptop breaking... | 02:16 |
| mdke | froud, can you check it on your system? i committed it now | 02:17 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, not your fault | 02:17 |
| froud | k | 02:17 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, hey did you hear we got some webspace from tseng for the ubuntu docs? | 02:17 |
| jsgotangco | yeah i got to talk to tseng this morning about it | 02:18 |
| jsgotangco | its in his secret Xen based linode server | 02:18 |
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| jsgotangco | no in #ubuntu-motu | 02:18 |
| mdke | ah i don't log that channel | 02:19 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 02:19 |
| jsgotangco | how does Ubuntu Foundation affect us | 02:19 |
| mdke | anyhow I've set up a cron job to upload every couple of days | 02:19 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: but uploads are in xml? | 02:19 |
| mdke | no | 02:19 |
| mdke | xml and html | 02:19 |
| mdke | http://tseng2.ath.cx/~ubuntu-doc/ | 02:20 |
| jsgotangco | ah i must have missed, when i checked it this morning i only saw xml | 02:20 |
| mdke | its always been html up there | 02:20 |
| mdke | if there is a doc missing, lemme know | 02:20 |
| jsgotangco | who bribed tseng anyways | 02:20 |
| mdke | he offered :) | 02:20 |
| mdke | i was hassling mako about it and tseng offered | 02:21 |
| jsgotangco | during the CC meeting? | 02:21 |
| jsgotangco | the linode server can't wait? | 02:21 |
| mdke | no not in any meeting | 02:22 |
| mdke | well i haven't heard anything about the linode server, have you? | 02:22 |
| jsgotangco | well no not lately though | 02:23 |
| jsgotangco | im just concerned we're uploading in 2 servers now instead of consolidating them | 02:23 |
| mdke | well both are temporary solutions until we get the linode | 02:25 |
| jsgotangco | yeah aware of that | 02:25 |
| mdke | but considering that elmo is so busy right now, I don't expect linode to be coming any time soon | 02:25 |
| jsgotangco | elmo doesnt administer linode | 02:26 |
| mdke | isn't it him that is setting them up? | 02:26 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, actually 3 servers, jeffsch put the styleguides on his own webspace | 02:26 |
| jsgotangco | acckkk | 02:26 |
| mdke | as long as the links in DocteamProjects are correct, I don't see the problem | 02:26 |
| jsgotangco | alright then | 02:27 |
| mdke | we can only do what we can and wait for canonical to help us | 02:27 |
| mdke | mgalvin did 30 patches yesterday, each of which had to be applied by jeffsch and froud, and he could have committed them himself if he had access | 02:28 |
| mdke | but he doesn't | 02:28 |
| jsgotangco | "oh well" | 02:29 |
| mdke | still, they gave a committment that svn accounts would be dealt with in 48 hours | 02:30 |
| mdke | froud, any luck debugging? I tried removing one of the ../ but it still didn't work | 02:31 |
| froud | no no xpointer synatx for xslt proc has changed gimme a sec | 02:31 |
| mdke | sure thing | 02:32 |
| mdke | i'm gonna grab a shower | 02:32 |
| jsgotangco | froud: how are things | 02:40 |
| froud | jsgotangco: good | 02:41 |
| froud | you | 02:41 |
| jsgotangco | my saturday was good | 02:42 |
| jsgotangco | cant say the same to my laptop though | 02:42 |
| froud | Argh gnome sucks rocks | 02:47 |
| mdke | back | 02:47 |
| froud | wish they woul ddarn well upgrade to db 4.3 | 02:47 |
| froud | found the problem | 02:47 |
| mdke | yeah? | 02:48 |
| mdke | cool | 02:48 |
| jsgotangco | man i was watching my daughter watch Pingu on DVD | 02:48 |
| froud | mdke: the gnome docs use 4.1.2 | 02:48 |
| jsgotangco | that show is so stoned | 02:48 |
| froud | that dtd is old | 02:48 |
| froud | and does does not provide the attributes for the XPointer std | 02:49 |
| mdke | oh dear | 02:49 |
| froud | so I changed the doctype to 4.3 | 02:49 |
| jsgotangco | oh well | 02:49 |
| froud | and wala | 02:49 |
| froud | no that is a real problem | 02:49 |
| mdke | so what should I do? | 02:50 |
| froud | the old standard is not supported | 02:50 |
| mdke | not use xpointer for now? | 02:50 |
| froud | I will commit what I have done | 02:50 |
| froud | but it means a change in upstream | 02:50 |
| froud | you want it | 02:50 |
| mdke | a change in which upstream? | 02:51 |
| mdke | the update-manager doc? | 02:51 |
| froud | yeah | 02:52 |
| mdke | okay | 02:52 |
| jsgotangco | hey all any suggestions for the next meeting in a few days? | 02:52 |
| mdke | yeah | 02:53 |
| jsgotangco | i mean agenda suggestions | 02:53 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, what to do with the gnome user guide | 02:53 |
| jsgotangco | what to do? | 02:54 |
| froud | hang on a sec :-) | 02:54 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, see the gi-normous thread on that question | 02:54 |
| mdke | how did you miss that one? | 02:56 |
| jsgotangco | hmm i must have read it and totally forgotten it | 02:58 |
| mdke | ;) | 02:58 |
| mdke | you're kde biased! | 02:58 |
| jsgotangco | bah | 02:58 |
| jsgotangco | i still say kde is more mature | 02:58 |
| jsgotangco | gnome has nice ideas though | 02:59 |
| mdke | as team secretary you must be wholly impartial :p | 02:59 |
| jsgotangco | dude | 03:00 |
| jsgotangco | i use gnome | 03:00 |
| mdke | ah i c so you're gnome-biased? | 03:00 |
| jsgotangco | i dont even have kubuntu installed | 03:00 |
| mdke | ahhh | 03:00 |
| mdke | that's what I like to hear | 03:00 |
| jsgotangco | well i don't really use gnome that much lately | 03:00 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: but do you know Kubuntu has the most UDU specs being implemented at the moment | 03:01 |
| jsgotangco | Riddell is a machine | 03:02 |
| mdke | heh | 03:02 |
| jsgotangco | and Kubuntu has been the testbed of KDE lately | 03:03 |
| jsgotangco | hey guess what | 03:07 |
| jsgotangco | i was in the arcade today | 03:08 |
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| jsgotangco | and i saw a tux racer arcade | 03:08 |
| mdke | no way | 03:08 |
| mdke | awesome | 03:08 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 03:08 |
| jsgotangco | i don't know if its an official cabinet though | 03:09 |
| jsgotangco | i should have taken a pic | 03:09 |
| jsgotangco | oh its an official cabinet | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | http://www.roxorgames.com/tux.html | 03:10 |
| froud | mdke: please svn and try that | 03:14 |
| froud | svn up | 03:14 |
| mdke | ok will do | 03:15 |
| froud | svn up on trunk | 03:16 |
| froud | I changed the mod | 03:16 |
| mdke | yes | 03:16 |
| mdke | http://pastebin.com/309991 | 03:16 |
| mdke | froud, ^ | 03:18 |
| froud | mhmmm | 03:19 |
| jsgotangco | ok guys im going to take an early rest we've had a long day. tommorow i'll be doing some reviews on what we had discussed and add some agenda for the next meeting on DocteamMeetingAgenda wiki | 03:21 |
| mdke | cool | 03:23 |
| mdke | night jsgotangco | 03:23 |
| jsgotangco | im still pissed i dont have my svn access today | 03:25 |
| froud | xpointer synatx seems broken | 03:26 |
| froud | the xinclude is working it bring sin the whole document | 03:27 |
| mdke | right | 03:28 |
| froud | mdke: svn up | 03:30 |
| froud | try that | 03:30 |
| mdke | froud, the validate script doesn't give errors :) | 03:31 |
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| froud | ok sec | 03:31 |
| froud | now svn up in trunk | 03:31 |
| mdke | done | 03:32 |
| mdke | (i only have trunk here) | 03:32 |
| froud | did it work | 03:33 |
| mdke | [14:31] < mdke> froud, the validate script doesn't give errors :) | 03:33 |
| froud | or does it bring in all of the article | 03:33 |
| mdke | do I have to build the doc to check? | 03:33 |
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| froud | its suppoed to bring in just the nodes defined in the xpointer | 03:33 |
| froud | yeah | 03:33 |
| froud | build it | 03:33 |
| froud | something is borked with xsltproc I think | 03:34 |
| froud | it does not follow the xpointer | 03:35 |
| mdke | hmm | 03:35 |
| froud | what does it do your side | 03:36 |
| mdke | hang on a tic | 03:37 |
| froud | tic tic tic | 03:37 |
| froud | boom | 03:37 |
| mdke | froud, oh dear | 03:41 |
| mdke | http://www.mdke.org/images/userguide.png | 03:41 |
| froud | Hmm I just get all of the doc in the userguide | 03:42 |
| froud | yo mdke leave it as it is for now. I will check it some more a see what the solution is | 03:43 |
| froud | now I am rushing | 03:43 |
| froud | not good | 03:43 |
| mdke | probably gentoo's fault | 03:44 |
| froud | I think not | 03:44 |
| mdke | ah k | 03:44 |
| froud | I think the xpointer syntax for xsltproc is borked | 03:44 |
| mdke | well thanks for working on it anyway | 03:44 |
| froud | np | 03:44 |
| froud | dont remove it | 03:44 |
| mdke | i won't change it | 03:45 |
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| froud | mdke: we may hav eto move up dtd versions | 04:42 |
| froud | if we do I would just align it on 5.0 | 04:43 |
| froud | xml:id is not supported in 4.3 | 04:43 |
| froud | that's why the xpointers are failing | 04:43 |
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| mgalvin | hi all | 07:00 |
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| judax | mgalvin: Hi | 07:29 |
| mgalvin | hi judax | 07:31 |
| judax | mgalvin: you been working hard | 07:32 |
| judax | mgalvin: you need a commit account bad | 07:33 |
| mgalvin | yea, i'm still waiting on elmo to setup my account | 07:34 |
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| judax | ah | 07:35 |
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| Njal | lo | 07:54 |
| judax | Njal: Hiya | 07:54 |
| Njal | hows you? | 07:55 |
| judax | very good, thx, and you? | 07:55 |
| Njal | im ok | 07:55 |
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| Njal | Off on holiday for three weeks on friday morning | 07:56 |
| judax | I am on holiday for two weeks starting this coming friday :) | 07:56 |
| Njal | just wondering if there was a resource i could look at to improve my writing style to be less chatty before i go | 07:56 |
| Njal | I tryed style guide | 07:56 |
| Njal | it's not quite complete enough for me to get much from it | 07:57 |
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| froud | mdke: you there | 07:58 |
| froud | mdke: svn up | 07:58 |
| judax | Hmm, you could google for some resources, or probably best is to check out current docs and see how they read | 07:58 |
| froud | cd gnome/ | 07:58 |
| froud | make ug | 07:58 |
| Njal | It's kinda hard coz my brain like's the chatty style, will have to retrain it then | 07:59 |
| judax | Only prob with chatty is that it doesn't translate well | 08:00 |
| Njal | I know | 08:01 |
| froud | mdke: ping | 08:02 |
| Njal | hmm it's been patched recently, i'll see what's been added | 08:02 |
| judax | been playing with the latest Kubuntu live cd, it is fun | 08:03 |
| froud | judax: does the install image work | 08:03 |
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| Njal | Not a big fan of KDE it's really heavy on my system, i eventually ditched suse because of it | 08:05 |
| judax | froud: I have not tried it yet, I am fixin' to do that | 08:07 |
| froud | k | 08:08 |
| judax | I need to either chop up another one of my windows boxes or I may go buy an imac mini and try the ppc version | 08:08 |
| judax | err mac mini | 08:08 |
| Njal | I'm getting an iMac when im on holiday im not sure if i want to put linux on it | 08:08 |
| Njal | Ibook* | 08:08 |
| Njal | How does the PPC version's fair? | 08:09 |
| judax | I have an iBook, but I keep osx tiger on it, don't want to mess with that one | 08:09 |
| Njal | I don't blame you really | 08:09 |
| judax | I have read some stuff about installing kubuntu ppc on mac mini | 08:09 |
| jeffsch | Njal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StyleGuide/ReferenceMaterials | 08:15 |
| Njal | thanks will bookmark that, i have just taken away some chatty stuff and made the .diff, i'll have a look at this page see if anything more needs changing | 08:19 |
| jeffsch | i'm gonna start committing mgalvin's stuff, unless someone has already started doing it... | 08:20 |
| judax | jeffsch: think froud was working on it | 08:21 |
| froud | jeffsch: the stuff form the morning is done | 08:22 |
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| jeffsch | what about gnome/menus/C/preferred-applications.xml | 08:22 |
| froud | jeffsch: just do a review, we may have missed something | 08:25 |
| froud | there were many | 08:25 |
| jeffsch | there is a new batch that started arriving about an hour ago | 08:25 |
| froud | ah ok | 08:26 |
| froud | did not know that, its all yours if you want ;-) | 08:26 |
| jeffsch | okie doke. i do it now. | 08:26 |
| mgalvin | there are 10 new ones, i will not commit anymore until those are done so we don't miss any | 08:27 |
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| mgalvin | bbl | 09:41 |
| froud | mdke: ping | 09:42 |
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| froud | jeffsch: mdke has started using xpointer in the userguide | 10:43 |
| froud | I have bumped the dtd to v 4.4 | 10:43 |
| froud | and added --xinclude to the make file xsltproc commands | 10:44 |
| froud | jeffsch: can you test make ug for me see if it works your side | 10:44 |
| jeffsch | i did a short while ago... and it works | 10:45 |
| froud | mdke: you're on gentoo, pls give mak ug a test let us know if its working for you | 10:45 |
| froud | jeffsch: cool now mdke just needs to workout what to do with the headings | 10:45 |
| froud | :-) | 10:45 |
| jeffsch | <!DOCTYPE book PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.3//EN" | 10:45 |
| jeffsch | "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.3/docbookx.dtd" | 10:45 |
| jeffsch | however, my wc is still 4.3: | 10:45 |
| froud | Opps sorry | 10:45 |
| froud | my wc is 4.4 | 10:46 |
| froud | thought I had committed that | 10:46 |
| froud | would anyone mind if we bumped to 4.4 | 10:46 |
| froud | next step is 5.0 and rng | 10:46 |
| froud | but not yet | 10:46 |
| jeffsch | what are implications of going to 4.4? | 10:47 |
| froud | none really | 10:47 |
| froud | not for us | 10:47 |
| froud | just some bug fixes and new features like attributes | 10:48 |
| jeffsch | what about catalog files | 10:48 |
| froud | ppl would need to setup | 10:48 |
| froud | or we can provide a catalog.xml | 10:49 |
| froud | hoary catalogs are messy anyways | 10:50 |
| jeffsch | 4.4 won't break the build process, right? it'll just take longer if the dtd needs to be downloaded from network | 10:51 |
| froud | yes | 10:51 |
| froud | rng would be nice | 10:51 |
| froud | no dtd needed | 10:51 |
| froud | validate using xmllint --relaxng | 10:52 |
| froud | and ofcourse give xmllint the rng schema | 10:52 |
| froud | :-) | 10:52 |
| froud | may be that's too optimistic | 10:53 |
| froud | jeffsch: give it some thought it's not a must, just a nice to have | 10:55 |
| jeffsch | unless there is an immediate need for 4.4 benefits, maybe wait until after breezy | 10:56 |
| jeffsch | we still have much writing to do, especially on user guide | 10:56 |
| froud | he he yes you're right | 10:56 |
| froud | ok post breezy then | 10:57 |
| jeffsch | :) yeah, at some point we need to stop organizing and start doing | 10:57 |
| froud | lol | 10:57 |
| froud | you startin to sound like me :-) | 10:58 |
| jeffsch | I'm sure i have to change my accent though :) | 10:58 |
| froud | yah! | 10:58 |
| jeffsch | doh! my pantry is devoid of caffeinated refreshments. I must replenish. bbl | 11:00 |
| froud | night all | 11:16 |
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