[12:10] <jeffsch> ok, i added 'cp default.css ../build/gnome/default.css' to the all target
[12:10] <jeffsch> it will copy when you do make all
[12:13] <jeffsch> bbl
[12:15] <mdke> jeffsch, thanks :)
[12:29] <mdke> --> bed
[02:02] <jsgotangco> mdke: ping
[02:03] <jsgotangco> hmm maybe later im going to eat breakfast first
[02:03] <jsgotangco> later then
[02:40] <rob^> whoa thunderbird keeps dieing everytime I select an email..
[03:31] <squinn> hey. whoever's here -- can you check status on my svn account? it's been almost 2 weeks since james @ canonical has gotten back to me
[03:34] <mgalvin> squinn, i've been waiting a week for mine too
[03:34] <mgalvin> so has rob^
[03:35] <mgalvin> elmo moved houses, so he's been busy with that i think
[04:10] <squinn> ah okay, but i think mine's past elmo now
[04:12] <squinn> it went from enrico to james troup
[04:33] <mgalvin> squinn, well, mostly the gnome faq guide, but i am modify the menu entities to reflect the breezy menus
[04:34] <squinn> ah are you running breezy?
[04:36] <mgalvin> yup :)
[04:36] <squinn> mgalvin, what are restricted modules?
[04:36] <squinn> i have an  idea of what they are
[04:37] <squinn> but say i need linux-wlan-ng and ndiswrapper to get my web up 
[04:37] <squinn> that requires linux headers
[04:38] <mgalvin> those are kernel modules, i'm not exactly sure why they are called restricted
[04:39] <squinn> but if i compiled them by source, they wouldn't work?
[04:42] <squinn> seems like it works when you compile from source
[04:42] <squinn> i'm going to try to live on the wild side and upgrade
[04:42] <squinn> no dist-upgrade; just upgrade
[04:49] <mgalvin> when running breezy its usaully best to use upgrade or install specific update that you know will not break your system
[04:55] <jeffsch> mgalvin: thanks for the patches.
[04:55] <jeffsch> mgalvin: your choice of subject line for the emails made it easier
[04:55] <jeffsch> mgalvin: and putting the svn change message in the body was good too
[04:55] <jeffsch> good stuff
[05:00] <mgalvin> jeffsch, i'm glad to help :)
[05:00] <jeffsch> :)
[05:03] <mgalvin> jeffsch, ok so now all the currently existing gnome menu entries reflect breezy
[05:05] <mgalvin> i am going to add some new ones too, and add them to gnome-menus-C.ent file
[05:05] <jeffsch> whew!
[05:05] <mgalvin> :)
[05:05] <mgalvin> should i post new ones as just the new file. or should i post them as diffs
[05:05] <mgalvin> whatever is easier for you
[05:08] <jeffsch> if it's a brand new file that does not already exist in svn, then post the file
[05:08] <mgalvin> ok
[05:25] <mgalvin> jeffsch, what do you think about gedit... gedit.xml or text-editor.xml
[05:25] <mgalvin> its text editor in the menu
[05:27] <jeffsch> text-editor.xml
[05:27] <jeffsch> you never know when TPTB may decide to change editors
[05:27] <mgalvin> right ok
[05:31] <mgalvin> ok time for a break :)
[08:01] <froud> African Greetings
[08:01] <mgalvin> froud, American Greetings :)
[08:02] <froud> ooooh, now that's nice menus are updated to 5.10 :-) go mgalvin 
[08:02] <mgalvin> and more on the way :)
[08:02] <froud> nice
[08:05] <froud> whoohoo mdke has preview page up
[08:05] <froud> looks like things are rock'n and a dock'n on ubuntu
[08:05] <mgalvin> yup, we're on a roll today
[08:06] <froud> cool
[08:40] <mgalvin> ok its 2:40 am here time for bed, good night guys, c y'all l8r
[10:03] <mdke> morning
[10:03] <mdke> holy shit
[10:04] <froud> nice to see heh :-)
[10:04] <mdke> has all of mgalvin's stuff been applied?
[10:05] <mdke> 82 mails this morning...
[10:06] <froud> mdke: not yet I was about to apply the stuff from this morning, jeffsch did yesterdays stuff
[10:06] <mdke> ok do you mind doing it or do you want me to do some?
[10:09] <froud> mdke: I am in the process of applying this mornings work
[10:09] <froud> jeff did last nights
[10:11] <mdke> froud, question was, do you want me to help with this mornings?
[10:11] <froud> Ah, not to worry the files are already saved to my disk I just need to add them to svn and commit
[10:11] <froud> thanks
[10:12] <froud> enjoy your morning coffee
[10:12] <mdke> ok cool
[10:12] <mdke> good idea
[10:12] <mdke> i can listen to great britain getting thrashed at rugby again
[10:20] <froud> all done, now send mail to list
[10:21] <mdke> just do one mail if i were you
[10:27] <froud> you asked I did, sire
[10:34] <froud> sent at 10H23
[10:35] <mdke> lists are slow i guess
[10:55] <mdke> froud, you got a moment to help me with something?
[10:55] <froud> yep
[10:55] <mdke> i'm trying to learn how to use Xinclude
[10:55] <froud> ok
[10:56] <mdke> is it possible to include just sections of another xml file, or do I have to include the whole file?
[10:56] <froud> XInclude is for whole files
[10:56] <froud> XPointer for a selected node
[10:56] <mdke> ah
[10:57] <froud> To use XPointer you need to understand XPath
[10:57] <froud> It's not hard to use XPointer
[10:57] <froud> let me just get the section you need to read
[10:58] <mdke> i'm at http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/DuplicateIDs.html
[10:58] <froud> oh yes
[10:59] <froud> that's the one
[10:59] <mdke> and i've got http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/ModularDoc.html open
[10:59] <froud> yes
[10:59] <froud> now you need tutorial for xpointer
[10:59] <froud> see http://www.zvon.org
[11:00] <froud> like this example
[11:00] <mdke> ok
[11:00] <froud> <xi:include  href="module.xml"
[11:00] <froud>                  xpointer="xpointer(/section/*)"  
[11:00] <froud>                  xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude"/>
[11:00] <froud> <xi:include  href="module.xml"
[11:00] <froud>                  xpointer="xpointer(/section/*)"  
[11:00] <froud>                  xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude"/>
[11:00] <froud> the oops
[11:00] <froud> the
[11:00] <froud> the /section/* is an XPath expression
[11:01] <froud> by building an XPath you can extract any node in the document
[11:01] <mdke> ok
[11:01] <froud> The rest if straight forward, right?
[11:02] <mdke> ok so /section/ is like an id for a particular part of the document?
[11:02] <froud> it's an expression
[11:03] <froud> it means that it will bring back all nodes in parent of <section>
[11:03] <mdke> hmm
[11:03] <froud> For example
[11:03] <froud> I want to list all the parts in a document
[11:03] <froud> I would do //part
[11:04] <froud> for the kubuntu user guide that would return
[11:04] <froud> /book[1] /part[1]  - id="prt-intro" status="review"	kuserguide.xml	file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml	126:0
[11:04] <froud> /book[1] /part[2]  - id="prt-confighardware" status="help"	kuserguide.xml	file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml	360:0
[11:04] <froud> /book[1] /part[3]  - id="prt-kdesktop" status="help"	kuserguide.xml	file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml	412:0
[11:04] <froud> /book[1] /part[4]  - id="prt-internet" status="help"	kuserguide.xml	file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml	450:0
[11:04] <froud> /book[1] /part[5]  - id="prt-office" status="help"	kuserguide.xml	file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml	501:0
[11:04] <froud> /book[1] /part[6]  - id="prt-graphics" status="help"	kuserguide.xml	file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml	606:0
[11:04] <froud> /book[1] /part[7]  - id="prt-multimedia" status="help"	kuserguide.xml	file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml	658:0
[11:04] <froud> /book[1] /part[8]  - id="pt-expanding" status="writing"	kuserguide.xml	file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml	702:0
[11:04] <froud> this here is an XPath
[11:04] <froud>  this /book[1] /part[1] 
[11:04] <mdke> ok
[11:05] <froud> so there is one book node
[11:05] <froud> and this is the first <part> node in the book
[11:05] <mdke> so if you wanted to include part 6 you'd do: xpointer="xpointer(/part/prt-graphics)" ?
[11:05] <froud> no
[11:06] <froud> gimme a sec
[11:06] <froud> this if I want to list all sect1
[11:06] <froud> I do //sect1
[11:06] <froud> I get /book[1] /part[5] /chapter[1] /sect1[1]  - status="help" kuserguide.xml file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml 512:0
[11:06] <mdke> where do you give that command?
[11:06] <froud> many items like that
[11:06] <froud> I use a structure xml editor that supports XPath
[11:07] <mdke> ah
[11:07] <froud> OK so if I want a specific node
[11:07] <froud> your question
[11:08] <froud> let's say you want to include a part from one book to another
[11:09] <froud> the part has an id attribute of  prt-office
[11:09] <mdke> yes
[11:09] <froud> to return that node only you would do //part[@id="prt-office"] 
[11:09] <froud> the result /book[1] /part[5]  - id="prt-office" status="help" kuserguide.xml file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml 501:0
[11:10] <mdke> sure
[11:10] <froud> therefore you can do xpointer="xpointer(/part[@id="prt-office"] )
[11:10] <mdke> aha
[11:11] <froud> so you can include all nodes
[11:11] <froud> xpointer="xpointer(/part[2] /chapter[1] /*)
[11:12] <froud> return all nodes in first chapter of part two
[11:12] <froud> be sure that when you do this that the nodes returned will be valid in context of your document structure
[11:13] <mdke> the target document?
[11:13] <froud> yes
[11:13] <froud> otherwise the document become invalid
[11:13] <mdke> so the parts/chapters have to be the same in both?
[11:13] <froud> yes
[11:14] <froud> you cant bring the child nodes of chapter into part because sect1 is not valid under part
[11:14] <mdke> yes i see
[11:14] <froud> play with the xpath tut on zon
[11:14] <froud> zvon
[11:14] <mdke> can i bring the child nodes of chapter into sect1?
[11:14] <froud> you can do amazing stuff with XPath
[11:15] <froud> no
[11:15] <mdke> ok
[11:15] <mdke> only into chapter
[11:15] <froud> sect1/sect1 will not be good
[11:15] <froud> but ifyou have chapter/sect1/para
[11:16] <froud> then you can bring the para into sect1 as sect1/para is valid
[11:16] <mdke> right
[11:16] <mdke> so the best thing is to include things para by para
[11:16] <froud> There is a java-based tool called treebeard that may be of help to you
[11:17] <mdke> i'm willing to try and learn the basics, i like learning new things
[11:17] <mdke> i'll need to do a bit of reading of course
[11:17] <froud> checkout this http://treebeard.sourceforge.net/
[11:17] <froud> it will help you test your Xpaths
[11:17] <froud> make life easier for you in building XPaths that work
[11:18] <mdke> ah that does look pretty awesome
[11:19] <mdke> thanks froud 
[11:19] <mdke> i'll dig in
[11:19] <froud> np xpath is fun enjoy
[11:23] <mdke>  [10:12]  < froud> xpointer="xpointer(/part[2] /chapter[1] /*)
[11:23] <mdke> is that example, does the first " get closed?
[11:23] <froud> yes you need to close the value
[11:24] <mdke> so it would be xpointer="xpointer(blah)" ?
[11:24] <froud> xpointer="xpointer(/part[2] /chapter[1] /*)"
[11:24] <mdke> okay gotcha
[11:25] <froud> the validate.sh supports XInclude/XPointer so that will also help
[11:25] <froud> Ok I must go for awhile. see you later, lemme know if it works for you.
[01:33] <froud> mdke: is it working for you?
[01:38] <mdke> froud, no :)
[01:39] <froud> error messages?
[01:39] <mdke> let me show you what i did
[01:39] <froud> k
[01:39] <mdke> <xi:include href="../../upstream/gnome/update-manager/C/update-manager.xml" xpointer="xpointer(/sect1[@id="intro"] )" xmlns:xi=@http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude" /> 
[01:40] <froud> what doc is this in?
[01:40] <mdke> i get 3 errors on that ;)
[01:40] <mdke> its in userguide.xml
[01:40] <froud> k
[01:42] <froud> errors?
[01:43] <mdke> http://pastebin.com/309959
[01:43] <froud> there is no sect1 with @id of that value
[01:45] <froud> do you have a <sect1 id="intro"> in ../../upstream/gnome/update-manager/C/update-manager.xml
[01:45] <mdke> yes - <sect1 id="intro">
[01:45] <mdke> unless I got the number of ../../ wrong
[01:46] <froud> hold
[01:47] <froud> you do but it has a parent so use article/sect1[@id="intro"] 
[01:47] <froud> xpointer="xpointer(/article/sect1[@id="intro"] )
[01:47] <mdke> I see!
[01:47] <mdke> hmm
[01:47] <mdke> same errors
[01:48] <froud> try also //sect1[@id="intro"]  but I dont think it supports that
[01:48] <mdke> same errors on both
[01:49] <mdke> possibly an error in my structure
[01:50] <froud> Hmm I am assuming your wc of userguide.xml has xinclude enabled?
[01:50] <mdke> i haven't included any tags yet I just wrote the xinclude bit
[01:50] <mdke> aha
[01:50] <mdke> i don't know
[01:50] <mdke> maybe not, its the same as your svn copy
[01:50] <froud> OK
[01:50] <froud> add this to your external ent set
[01:50] <froud> <!ENTITY % xinclude SYSTEM "../../../libs/xinclude.mod">
[01:50] <froud> %xinclude;
[01:51] <froud> between the []  in the top of the file
[01:51] <mdke> gotcha
[01:51] <froud> then save and try it
[01:52] <mdke> right that has got rid of the middle of the three errors
[01:52] <froud> now what do you have>
[01:52] <froud> pastebin
[01:52] <mdke> http://pastebin.com/309963
[01:53] <mdke> the problem may be because I haven't got any tags around it?
[01:53] <froud> tags around it?
[01:53] <mdke> here is the whole of what I've done, included the tag before and the tag after
[01:53] <mdke> http://pastebin.com/309964
[01:54] <mdke> maybe I have not got the structure right
[01:56] <froud> try just do xpointer="intro"
[01:57] <froud> start with the basic for now
[01:57] <mdke> same errors
[01:57] <froud> Hmm
[01:57] <froud> weird
[01:58] <froud> can you commit that so I can run it here
[01:58] <mdke> do you have an example in the kubuntu docs of an xpointer?
[01:58] <froud> Not yet
[01:58] <mdke> i'm still convinced I've buggered up the structure
[01:58] <mdke> ok i'll commit it
[01:59] <mdke> froud, how do I commit without sending the changes I've made to the makefile for the gentoo paths?
[01:59] <froud> just commit on the userguide.xml
[01:59] <froud> cd to the userguide dir
[01:59] <froud> svn commit -m sometext userguide.xml
[01:59] <froud> something like that
[02:00] <mdke> committed
[02:01] <mdke> line 1514 is the problematic one
[02:01] <froud> yep I see it
[02:01] <froud> F Element type "xi:include" must be followed by either attribute specifications, ">" or "/>".	userguide.xml	file:/home/sean/projects/ubuntu/trunk/gnome/userguide/C/userguide.xml	1514:120
[02:03] <mdke> what is wrong with it?
[02:04] <froud> sec
[02:05] <froud> -<xi:includehref="../../upstream/gnome/update-manager/C/update-manager.xml"xpointer="xpointer(/article/sect1[@id="intro"] )"xmlns:xi=@http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude"/> 
[02:05] <froud> +<xi:includehref="../../upstream/gnome/update-manager/C/update-manager.xml"xpointer="xpointer(/article/sect1[@id=intro] )"xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude"/> 
[02:05] <mdke> haha
[02:05] <froud> xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude" not xmlns:xi=@http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude"
[02:05] <froud> but this is not valid
[02:05] <froud> E Unexpected element "xi:include". The content of the parent element type must match "(beginpage?,chapterinfo?,(title,subtitle?,titleabbrev?),(toc|lot|index|glossary|bibliography)*,tocchap?,(((calloutlist|glosslist|itemizedlist|orderedlist|segmentedlist|simplelist|variablelist|caution|important|note|tip|warning|literallayout|programlisting|programlistingco|screen|screenco|screenshot|synopsis|cmdsynopsis|funcsynopsis|classsynopsis|fieldsyn
[02:05] <froud> E The content of element type "chapter" must match "(beginpage?,chapterinfo?,(title,subtitle?,titleabbrev?),(toc|lot|index|glossary|bibliography)*,tocchap?,(((calloutlist|glosslist|itemizedlist|orderedlist|segmentedlist|simplelist|variablelist|caution|important|note|tip|warning|literallayout|programlisting|programlistingco|screen|screenco|screenshot|synopsis|cmdsynopsis|funcsynopsis|classsynopsis|fieldsynopsis|constructorsynopsis|destruct
[02:06] <mdke> yeah that's what I thought with the structure
[02:06] <froud> well now you can work on your structure :-)
[02:06] <froud> lemme commit
[02:06] <mdke> np
[02:07] <froud> done
[02:07] <mdke> i still haven't got to grips with the whole structure thing but I can play around
[02:07] <froud> yes
[02:08] <froud> btw for that one you can just do
[02:08] <froud> <xi:include href="../../upstream/gnome/update-manager/C/update-manager.xml" xpointer="intro" xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude" />  
[02:08] <mdke> i c
[02:09] <froud> want a tip
[02:09] <mdke> always
[02:10] <froud> wrap the xi in a sect1
[02:10] <froud> remember the xpointer does not bring in the node but its children
[02:10] <mdke> ok that's exactly what I wanted to have explained :)
[02:10] <mdke> thanks
[02:10] <froud> :-) np
[02:11] <froud> glad to be of help
[02:11] <mdke> gah
[02:11] <froud> as plovs once put it, "xmllint  and froud. Good tools"
[02:12] <froud> enjoy
[02:12] <mdke> nearly there... but something is still not working
[02:12] <froud> hmm
[02:12] <froud> what's that
[02:12] <jsgotangco> salut
[02:12] <froud> shalom
[02:12] <jsgotangco> what's what?
[02:13] <mdke> froud, ok here is the code AND the errors http://pastebin.com/309970
[02:13] <froud> debug session with mdke
[02:13] <mdke> hey jsgotangco 
[02:13] <mdke> i'm learning...
[02:14] <jsgotangco> oh buy the docbook print edition from o'reiley its really good
[02:14] <jsgotangco> im still looking for docbook xslt reference
[02:14] <froud> mdke: it cant find the xml file
[02:14] <mdke> stupid thing
[02:14] <mdke> i got the address wrong maybe?
[02:14] <jsgotangco> they still haven't fixed my laptop
[02:15] <froud> but that path is correct
[02:15] <jsgotangco> what's with mgalvin's commits?
[02:15] <mdke> yeah i double and triple checked it
[02:15] <froud> why is your system doing ../../../
[02:16] <froud> when it should be doing ../../../
[02:16] <mdke> jsgotangco, he did like 30 patches :)
[02:16] <froud> when it should be doing ../../
[02:16] <jsgotangco> grrr im ashamed i havent done anything lately
[02:16] <jsgotangco> and my laptop breaking...
[02:17] <mdke> froud, can you check it on your system? i committed it now
[02:17] <mdke> jsgotangco, not your fault
[02:17] <froud> k
[02:17] <mdke> jsgotangco, hey did you hear we got some webspace from tseng for the ubuntu docs?
[02:18] <jsgotangco> yeah i got to talk to tseng this morning about it
[02:18] <jsgotangco> its in his secret Xen based linode server
[02:18] <jsgotangco> no in #ubuntu-motu
[02:19] <mdke> ah i don't log that channel
[02:19] <jsgotangco> hmm
[02:19] <jsgotangco> how does Ubuntu Foundation affect us
[02:19] <mdke> anyhow I've set up a cron job to upload every couple of days
[02:19] <jsgotangco> mdke: but uploads are in xml?
[02:19] <mdke> no
[02:19] <mdke> xml and html
[02:20] <mdke> http://tseng2.ath.cx/~ubuntu-doc/
[02:20] <jsgotangco> ah i must have missed, when i checked it this morning i only saw xml
[02:20] <mdke> its always been html up there
[02:20] <mdke> if there is a doc missing, lemme know
[02:20] <jsgotangco> who bribed tseng anyways
[02:20] <mdke> he offered :)
[02:21] <mdke> i was hassling mako about it and tseng offered
[02:21] <jsgotangco> during the CC meeting?
[02:21] <jsgotangco> the linode server can't wait?
[02:22] <mdke> no not in any meeting
[02:22] <mdke> well i haven't heard anything about the linode server, have you?
[02:23] <jsgotangco> well no not lately though
[02:23] <jsgotangco> im just concerned we're uploading in 2 servers now instead of consolidating them
[02:25] <mdke> well both are temporary solutions until we get the linode
[02:25] <jsgotangco> yeah aware of that
[02:25] <mdke> but considering that elmo is so busy right now, I don't expect linode to be coming any time soon
[02:26] <jsgotangco> elmo doesnt administer linode
[02:26] <mdke> isn't it him that is setting them up?
[02:26] <mdke> jsgotangco, actually 3 servers, jeffsch put the styleguides on his own webspace
[02:26] <jsgotangco> acckkk
[02:26] <mdke> as long as the links in DocteamProjects are correct, I don't see the problem
[02:27] <jsgotangco> alright then
[02:27] <mdke> we can only do what we can and wait for canonical to help us
[02:28] <mdke> mgalvin did 30 patches yesterday, each of which had to be applied by jeffsch and froud, and he could have committed them himself if he had access
[02:28] <mdke> but he doesn't
[02:29] <jsgotangco> "oh well"
[02:30] <mdke> still, they gave a committment that svn accounts would be dealt with in 48 hours
[02:31] <mdke> froud, any luck debugging? I tried removing one of the ../ but it still didn't work
[02:31] <froud> no no xpointer synatx for xslt proc has changed gimme a sec
[02:32] <mdke> sure thing
[02:32] <mdke> i'm gonna grab a shower
[02:40] <jsgotangco> froud: how are things
[02:41] <froud> jsgotangco: good
[02:41] <froud> you
[02:42] <jsgotangco> my saturday was good
[02:42] <jsgotangco> cant say the same to my laptop though
[02:47] <froud> Argh gnome sucks rocks
[02:47] <mdke> back
[02:47] <froud> wish they woul ddarn well upgrade to db 4.3
[02:47] <froud> found the problem
[02:48] <mdke> yeah?
[02:48] <mdke> cool
[02:48] <jsgotangco> man i was watching my daughter watch Pingu on DVD
[02:48] <froud> mdke: the gnome docs use 4.1.2
[02:48] <jsgotangco> that show is so stoned
[02:48] <froud> that dtd is old
[02:49] <froud> and does does not provide the attributes for the XPointer std
[02:49] <mdke> oh dear
[02:49] <froud> so I changed the doctype to 4.3
[02:49] <jsgotangco> oh well
[02:49] <froud> and wala
[02:49] <froud> no that is a real problem
[02:50] <mdke> so what should I do?
[02:50] <froud> the old standard is not supported
[02:50] <mdke> not use xpointer for now?
[02:50] <froud> I will commit what I have done
[02:50] <froud> but it means a change in upstream
[02:50] <froud> you want it
[02:51] <mdke> a change in which upstream?
[02:51] <mdke> the update-manager doc?
[02:52] <froud> yeah
[02:52] <mdke> okay
[02:52] <jsgotangco> hey all any suggestions for the next meeting in a few days?
[02:53] <mdke> yeah
[02:53] <jsgotangco> i mean agenda suggestions
[02:53] <mdke> jsgotangco, what to do with the gnome user guide
[02:54] <jsgotangco> what to do?
[02:54] <froud> hang on a sec :-)
[02:54] <mdke> jsgotangco, see the gi-normous thread on that question
[02:56] <mdke> how did you miss that one?
[02:58] <jsgotangco> hmm i must have read it and totally forgotten it
[02:58] <mdke> ;)
[02:58] <mdke> you're kde biased!
[02:58] <jsgotangco> bah
[02:58] <jsgotangco> i still say kde is more mature
[02:59] <jsgotangco> gnome has nice ideas though
[02:59] <mdke> as team secretary you must be wholly impartial :p
[03:00] <jsgotangco> dude
[03:00] <jsgotangco> i use gnome
[03:00] <mdke> ah i c so you're gnome-biased?
[03:00] <jsgotangco> i dont even have kubuntu installed
[03:00] <mdke> ahhh
[03:00] <mdke> that's what I like to hear
[03:00] <jsgotangco> well i don't really use gnome that much lately
[03:01] <jsgotangco> mdke: but do you know Kubuntu has the most UDU specs being implemented at the moment
[03:02] <jsgotangco> Riddell is a machine
[03:02] <mdke> heh
[03:03] <jsgotangco> and Kubuntu has been the testbed of KDE lately
[03:07] <jsgotangco> hey guess what
[03:08] <jsgotangco> i was in the arcade today
[03:08] <jsgotangco> and i saw a tux racer arcade
[03:08] <mdke> no way
[03:08] <mdke> awesome
[03:08] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:09] <jsgotangco> i don't know if its an official cabinet though
[03:09] <jsgotangco> i should have taken a pic
[03:10] <jsgotangco> oh its an official cabinet
[03:10] <jsgotangco> http://www.roxorgames.com/tux.html
[03:14] <froud> mdke: please svn and try that
[03:14] <froud> svn up
[03:15] <mdke> ok will do
[03:16] <froud> svn up on trunk
[03:16] <froud> I changed the mod
[03:16] <mdke> yes
[03:16] <mdke> http://pastebin.com/309991
[03:18] <mdke> froud, ^
[03:19] <froud> mhmmm
[03:21] <jsgotangco> ok guys im going to take an early rest we've had a long day. tommorow i'll be doing some reviews on what we had discussed and add some agenda for the next meeting on DocteamMeetingAgenda wiki
[03:23] <mdke> cool
[03:23] <mdke> night jsgotangco 
[03:25] <jsgotangco> im still pissed i dont have my svn access today
[03:26] <froud> xpointer synatx seems broken
[03:27] <froud> the xinclude is working it bring sin the whole document
[03:28] <mdke> right
[03:30] <froud> mdke: svn up
[03:30] <froud> try that
[03:31] <mdke> froud, the validate script doesn't give errors :)
[03:31] <froud> ok sec
[03:31] <froud> now svn up in trunk
[03:32] <mdke> done
[03:32] <mdke> (i only have trunk here)
[03:33] <froud> did it work
[03:33] <mdke>  [14:31]  < mdke> froud, the validate script doesn't give errors :)
[03:33] <froud> or does it bring in all of the article
[03:33] <mdke> do I have to build the doc to check?
[03:33] <froud> its suppoed to bring in just the nodes defined in the xpointer
[03:33] <froud> yeah
[03:33] <froud> build it
[03:34] <froud> something is borked with xsltproc I think
[03:35] <froud> it does not follow the xpointer 
[03:35] <mdke> hmm
[03:36] <froud> what does it do your side
[03:37] <mdke> hang on a tic
[03:37] <froud> tic tic tic
[03:37] <froud> boom
[03:41] <mdke> froud, oh dear
[03:41] <mdke> http://www.mdke.org/images/userguide.png
[03:42] <froud> Hmm I just get all of the doc in the userguide
[03:43] <froud> yo mdke leave it as it is for now. I will check it some more a see what the solution is
[03:43] <froud> now I am rushing
[03:43] <froud> not good
[03:44] <mdke> probably gentoo's fault
[03:44] <froud> I think not
[03:44] <mdke> ah k
[03:44] <froud> I think the xpointer syntax for xsltproc is borked
[03:44] <mdke> well thanks for working on it anyway
[03:44] <froud> np
[03:44] <froud> dont remove it
[03:45] <mdke> i won't change it
[04:42] <froud> mdke: we may hav eto move up dtd versions
[04:43] <froud> if we do I would just align it on 5.0
[04:43] <froud> xml:id is not supported in 4.3
[04:43] <froud> that's why the xpointers are failing
[07:00] <mgalvin> hi all
[07:29] <judax> mgalvin: Hi
[07:31] <mgalvin> hi judax
[07:32] <judax> mgalvin: you been working hard
[07:33] <judax> mgalvin: you need a commit account bad
[07:34] <mgalvin> yea, i'm still waiting on elmo to setup my account
[07:35] <judax> ah
[07:54] <Njal> lo
[07:54] <judax> Njal: Hiya
[07:55] <Njal> hows you?
[07:55] <judax> very good, thx, and you?
[07:55] <Njal> im ok
[07:56] <Njal> Off on holiday for three weeks on friday morning
[07:56] <judax> I am on holiday for two weeks starting this coming friday :)
[07:56] <Njal> just wondering if there was a resource i could look at to improve my writing style to be less chatty before i go
[07:56] <Njal> I tryed style guide
[07:57] <Njal> it's not quite complete enough for me to get much from it
[07:58] <froud> mdke: you there
[07:58] <froud> mdke: svn up
[07:58] <judax> Hmm, you could google for some resources, or probably best is to check out current docs and see how they read
[07:58] <froud> cd gnome/
[07:58] <froud> make ug
[07:59] <Njal> It's kinda hard coz my brain like's the chatty style, will have to retrain it then
[08:00] <judax> Only prob with chatty is that it doesn't translate well
[08:01] <Njal> I know
[08:02] <froud> mdke: ping
[08:02] <Njal> hmm it's been patched recently, i'll see what's been added
[08:03] <judax> been playing with the latest Kubuntu live cd, it is fun
[08:03] <froud> judax: does the install image work 
[08:05] <Njal> Not a big fan of KDE it's really heavy on my system, i eventually ditched suse because of it
[08:07] <judax> froud: I have not tried it yet, I am fixin' to do that
[08:08] <froud> k
[08:08] <judax> I need to either chop up another one of my windows boxes or I may go buy an imac mini and try the ppc version
[08:08] <judax> err mac mini
[08:08] <Njal> I'm getting an iMac when im on holiday im not sure if i want to put linux on it
[08:08] <Njal> Ibook*
[08:09] <Njal> How does the PPC version's fair?
[08:09] <judax> I have an iBook, but I keep osx tiger on it, don't want to mess with that one
[08:09] <Njal> I don't blame you really
[08:09] <judax> I have read some stuff about installing kubuntu ppc on mac mini
[08:15] <jeffsch> Njal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StyleGuide/ReferenceMaterials
[08:19] <Njal> thanks will bookmark that, i have just taken away some chatty stuff and made the .diff, i'll have a look at this page see if anything more needs changing
[08:20] <jeffsch> i'm gonna start committing mgalvin's stuff, unless someone has already started doing it...
[08:21] <judax> jeffsch: think froud was working on it
[08:22] <froud> jeffsch: the stuff form the morning is done
[08:22] <jeffsch> what about gnome/menus/C/preferred-applications.xml
[08:25] <froud> jeffsch: just do a review, we may have missed something
[08:25] <froud> there were many
[08:25] <jeffsch> there is a new batch that started arriving about an hour ago
[08:26] <froud> ah ok
[08:26] <froud> did not know that, its all yours if you want ;-)
[08:26] <jeffsch> okie doke. i do it now.
[08:27] <mgalvin> there are 10 new ones, i will not commit anymore until those are done so we don't miss any
[09:41] <mgalvin> bbl
[09:42] <froud> mdke: ping
[10:43] <froud> jeffsch: mdke has started using xpointer in the userguide
[10:43] <froud> I have bumped the dtd to v 4.4
[10:44] <froud> and added --xinclude to the make file xsltproc commands
[10:44] <froud> jeffsch: can you test make ug for me see if it works your side
[10:45] <jeffsch> i did a short while ago... and it works
[10:45] <froud> mdke: you're on gentoo, pls give mak ug a test let us know if its working for you
[10:45] <froud> jeffsch: cool now mdke just needs to workout what to do with the headings
[10:45] <froud> :-)
[10:45] <jeffsch> <!DOCTYPE book PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.3//EN" 
[10:45] <jeffsch> 	"http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.3/docbookx.dtd"
[10:45] <jeffsch> however, my wc is still 4.3: 
[10:45] <froud> Opps sorry
[10:46] <froud> my wc is 4.4
[10:46] <froud> thought I had committed that
[10:46] <froud> would anyone mind if we bumped to 4.4
[10:46] <froud> next step is 5.0 and rng
[10:46] <froud> but not yet
[10:47] <jeffsch> what are implications of going to 4.4?
[10:47] <froud> none really
[10:47] <froud> not for us
[10:48] <froud> just some bug fixes and new features like attributes
[10:48] <jeffsch> what about catalog files
[10:48] <froud> ppl would need to setup
[10:49] <froud> or we can provide a catalog.xml
[10:50] <froud> hoary catalogs are messy anyways
[10:51] <jeffsch> 4.4 won't break the build process, right? it'll just take longer if the dtd needs to be downloaded from network
[10:51] <froud> yes
[10:51] <froud> rng would be nice
[10:51] <froud> no dtd needed
[10:52] <froud> validate using xmllint --relaxng
[10:52] <froud> and ofcourse give xmllint the rng schema
[10:52] <froud> :-)
[10:53] <froud> may be that's too optimistic
[10:55] <froud> jeffsch: give it some thought it's not a must, just a nice to have
[10:56] <jeffsch> unless there is an immediate need for 4.4 benefits, maybe wait until after breezy
[10:56] <jeffsch> we still have much writing to do, especially on user guide
[10:56] <froud> he he yes you're right
[10:57] <froud> ok post breezy then
[10:57] <jeffsch> :) yeah, at some point we need to stop organizing and start doing
[10:57] <froud> lol
[10:58] <froud> you startin to sound like me :-)
[10:58] <jeffsch> I'm sure i have to change my accent though :)
[10:58] <froud> yah!
[11:00] <jeffsch> doh! my pantry is devoid of caffeinated refreshments. I must replenish. bbl
[11:16] <froud> night all