[11:03] hmm [11:03] For example [11:03] I want to list all the parts in a document [11:03] I would do //part [11:04] for the kubuntu user guide that would return [11:04] /book[1] /part[1] - id="prt-intro" status="review" kuserguide.xml file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml 126:0 [11:04] /book[1] /part[2] - id="prt-confighardware" status="help" kuserguide.xml file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml 360:0 [11:04] /book[1] /part[3] - id="prt-kdesktop" status="help" kuserguide.xml file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml 412:0 [11:04] /book[1] /part[4] - id="prt-internet" status="help" kuserguide.xml file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml 450:0 [11:04] /book[1] /part[5] - id="prt-office" status="help" kuserguide.xml file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml 501:0 [11:04] /book[1] /part[6] - id="prt-graphics" status="help" kuserguide.xml file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml 606:0 [11:04] /book[1] /part[7] - id="prt-multimedia" status="help" kuserguide.xml file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml 658:0 [11:04] /book[1] /part[8] - id="pt-expanding" status="writing" kuserguide.xml file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml 702:0 [11:04] this here is an XPath [11:04] this /book[1] /part[1] [11:04] ok [11:05] so there is one book node [11:05] and this is the first node in the book [11:05] so if you wanted to include part 6 you'd do: xpointer="xpointer(/part/prt-graphics)" ? [11:05] no [11:06] gimme a sec [11:06] this if I want to list all sect1 [11:06] I do //sect1 [11:06] I get /book[1] /part[5] /chapter[1] /sect1[1] - status="help" kuserguide.xml file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml 512:0 [11:06] where do you give that command? [11:06] many items like that [11:06] I use a structure xml editor that supports XPath [11:07] ah [11:07] OK so if I want a specific node [11:07] your question [11:08] let's say you want to include a part from one book to another [11:09] the part has an id attribute of prt-office [11:09] yes [11:09] to return that node only you would do //part[@id="prt-office"] [11:09] the result /book[1] /part[5] - id="prt-office" status="help" kuserguide.xml file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml 501:0 [11:10] sure [11:10] therefore you can do xpointer="xpointer(/part[@id="prt-office"] ) [11:10] aha === mdke writes down [11:11] so you can include all nodes [11:11] xpointer="xpointer(/part[2] /chapter[1] /*) [11:12] return all nodes in first chapter of part two [11:12] be sure that when you do this that the nodes returned will be valid in context of your document structure [11:13] the target document? [11:13] yes [11:13] otherwise the document become invalid [11:13] so the parts/chapters have to be the same in both? [11:13] yes [11:14] you cant bring the child nodes of chapter into part because sect1 is not valid under part [11:14] yes i see [11:14] play with the xpath tut on zon [11:14] zvon [11:14] can i bring the child nodes of chapter into sect1? [11:14] you can do amazing stuff with XPath [11:15] no [11:15] ok [11:15] only into chapter [11:15] sect1/sect1 will not be good [11:15] but ifyou have chapter/sect1/para [11:16] then you can bring the para into sect1 as sect1/para is valid [11:16] right [11:16] so the best thing is to include things para by para [11:16] There is a java-based tool called treebeard that may be of help to you [11:17] i'm willing to try and learn the basics, i like learning new things [11:17] i'll need to do a bit of reading of course [11:17] checkout this http://treebeard.sourceforge.net/ [11:17] it will help you test your Xpaths [11:17] make life easier for you in building XPaths that work [11:18] ah that does look pretty awesome [11:19] thanks froud [11:19] i'll dig in [11:19] np xpath is fun enjoy [11:23] [10:12] < froud> xpointer="xpointer(/part[2] /chapter[1] /*) [11:23] is that example, does the first " get closed? [11:23] yes you need to close the value [11:24] so it would be xpointer="xpointer(blah)" ? [11:24] xpointer="xpointer(/part[2] /chapter[1] /*)" [11:24] okay gotcha [11:25] the validate.sh supports XInclude/XPointer so that will also help [11:25] Ok I must go for awhile. see you later, lemme know if it works for you. === froud [~sean@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === Redo [~ubuntu@h-68-165-43-187.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [~froud@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:33] mdke: is it working for you? [01:38] froud, no :) [01:39] error messages? [01:39] let me show you what i did [01:39] k [01:39] [01:40] what doc is this in? [01:40] i get 3 errors on that ;) [01:40] its in userguide.xml [01:40] k [01:42] errors? [01:43] http://pastebin.com/309959 [01:43] there is no sect1 with @id of that value [01:45] do you have a in ../../upstream/gnome/update-manager/C/update-manager.xml [01:45] yes - [01:45] unless I got the number of ../../ wrong [01:46] hold [01:47] you do but it has a parent so use article/sect1[@id="intro"] [01:47] xpointer="xpointer(/article/sect1[@id="intro"] ) [01:47] I see! [01:47] hmm [01:47] same errors [01:48] try also //sect1[@id="intro"] but I dont think it supports that [01:48] same errors on both [01:49] possibly an error in my structure [01:50] Hmm I am assuming your wc of userguide.xml has xinclude enabled? [01:50] i haven't included any tags yet I just wrote the xinclude bit [01:50] aha [01:50] i don't know [01:50] maybe not, its the same as your svn copy [01:50] OK [01:50] add this to your external ent set [01:50] [01:50] %xinclude; [01:51] between the [] in the top of the file [01:51] gotcha [01:51] then save and try it [01:52] right that has got rid of the middle of the three errors [01:52] now what do you have> [01:52] pastebin [01:52] http://pastebin.com/309963 [01:53] the problem may be because I haven't got any tags around it? [01:53] tags around it? [01:53] here is the whole of what I've done, included the tag before and the tag after [01:53] http://pastebin.com/309964 [01:54] maybe I have not got the structure right [01:56] try just do xpointer="intro" [01:57] start with the basic for now [01:57] same errors [01:57] Hmm [01:57] weird [01:58] can you commit that so I can run it here [01:58] do you have an example in the kubuntu docs of an xpointer? [01:58] Not yet [01:58] i'm still convinced I've buggered up the structure [01:58] ok i'll commit it [01:59] froud, how do I commit without sending the changes I've made to the makefile for the gentoo paths? [01:59] just commit on the userguide.xml [01:59] cd to the userguide dir [01:59] svn commit -m sometext userguide.xml [01:59] something like that [02:00] committed [02:01] line 1514 is the problematic one [02:01] yep I see it [02:01] F Element type "xi:include" must be followed by either attribute specifications, ">" or "/>". userguide.xml file:/home/sean/projects/ubuntu/trunk/gnome/userguide/C/userguide.xml 1514:120 [02:03] what is wrong with it? [02:04] sec [02:05] - [02:05] + [02:05] haha [02:05] xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude" not xmlns:xi=@http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude" [02:05] but this is not valid [02:05] E Unexpected element "xi:include". The content of the parent element type must match "(beginpage?,chapterinfo?,(title,subtitle?,titleabbrev?),(toc|lot|index|glossary|bibliography)*,tocchap?,(((calloutlist|glosslist|itemizedlist|orderedlist|segmentedlist|simplelist|variablelist|caution|important|note|tip|warning|literallayout|programlisting|programlistingco|screen|screenco|screenshot|synopsis|cmdsynopsis|funcsynopsis|classsynopsis|fieldsyn [02:05] E The content of element type "chapter" must match "(beginpage?,chapterinfo?,(title,subtitle?,titleabbrev?),(toc|lot|index|glossary|bibliography)*,tocchap?,(((calloutlist|glosslist|itemizedlist|orderedlist|segmentedlist|simplelist|variablelist|caution|important|note|tip|warning|literallayout|programlisting|programlistingco|screen|screenco|screenshot|synopsis|cmdsynopsis|funcsynopsis|classsynopsis|fieldsynopsis|constructorsynopsis|destruct [02:06] yeah that's what I thought with the structure [02:06] well now you can work on your structure :-) [02:06] lemme commit [02:06] np [02:07] done [02:07] i still haven't got to grips with the whole structure thing but I can play around [02:07] yes [02:08] btw for that one you can just do [02:08] [02:08] i c [02:09] want a tip [02:09] always [02:10] wrap the xi in a sect1 [02:10] remember the xpointer does not bring in the node but its children [02:10] ok that's exactly what I wanted to have explained :) [02:10] thanks [02:10] :-) np [02:11] glad to be of help [02:11] gah [02:11] as plovs once put it, "xmllint and froud. Good tools" [02:12] enjoy [02:12] nearly there... but something is still not working === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@info12-107.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:12] hmm [02:12] what's that [02:12] salut [02:12] shalom [02:12] what's what? [02:13] froud, ok here is the code AND the errors http://pastebin.com/309970 [02:13] debug session with mdke [02:13] hey jsgotangco [02:13] i'm learning... [02:14] oh buy the docbook print edition from o'reiley its really good [02:14] im still looking for docbook xslt reference [02:14] mdke: it cant find the xml file [02:14] stupid thing [02:14] i got the address wrong maybe? [02:14] they still haven't fixed my laptop [02:15] but that path is correct [02:15] what's with mgalvin's commits? [02:15] yeah i double and triple checked it [02:15] why is your system doing ../../../ [02:16] when it should be doing ../../../ [02:16] jsgotangco, he did like 30 patches :) [02:16] when it should be doing ../../ [02:16] grrr im ashamed i havent done anything lately [02:16] and my laptop breaking... [02:17] froud, can you check it on your system? i committed it now [02:17] jsgotangco, not your fault [02:17] k [02:17] jsgotangco, hey did you hear we got some webspace from tseng for the ubuntu docs? [02:18] yeah i got to talk to tseng this morning about it [02:18] its in his secret Xen based linode server === mdke reads scrollback [02:18] no in #ubuntu-motu [02:19] ah i don't log that channel [02:19] hmm [02:19] how does Ubuntu Foundation affect us [02:19] anyhow I've set up a cron job to upload every couple of days [02:19] mdke: but uploads are in xml? [02:19] no [02:19] xml and html [02:20] http://tseng2.ath.cx/~ubuntu-doc/ [02:20] ah i must have missed, when i checked it this morning i only saw xml [02:20] its always been html up there [02:20] if there is a doc missing, lemme know [02:20] who bribed tseng anyways [02:20] he offered :) [02:21] i was hassling mako about it and tseng offered [02:21] during the CC meeting? [02:21] the linode server can't wait? [02:22] no not in any meeting [02:22] well i haven't heard anything about the linode server, have you? [02:23] well no not lately though [02:23] im just concerned we're uploading in 2 servers now instead of consolidating them [02:25] well both are temporary solutions until we get the linode [02:25] yeah aware of that [02:25] but considering that elmo is so busy right now, I don't expect linode to be coming any time soon [02:26] elmo doesnt administer linode [02:26] isn't it him that is setting them up? [02:26] jsgotangco, actually 3 servers, jeffsch put the styleguides on his own webspace [02:26] acckkk [02:26] as long as the links in DocteamProjects are correct, I don't see the problem [02:27] alright then [02:27] we can only do what we can and wait for canonical to help us [02:28] mgalvin did 30 patches yesterday, each of which had to be applied by jeffsch and froud, and he could have committed them himself if he had access [02:28] but he doesn't [02:29] "oh well" [02:30] still, they gave a committment that svn accounts would be dealt with in 48 hours [02:31] froud, any luck debugging? I tried removing one of the ../ but it still didn't work [02:31] no no xpointer synatx for xslt proc has changed gimme a sec [02:32] sure thing [02:32] i'm gonna grab a shower [02:40] froud: how are things [02:41] jsgotangco: good [02:41] you [02:42] my saturday was good [02:42] cant say the same to my laptop though [02:47] Argh gnome sucks rocks [02:47] back [02:47] wish they woul ddarn well upgrade to db 4.3 [02:47] found the problem [02:48] yeah? [02:48] cool [02:48] man i was watching my daughter watch Pingu on DVD [02:48] mdke: the gnome docs use 4.1.2 [02:48] that show is so stoned [02:48] that dtd is old [02:49] and does does not provide the attributes for the XPointer std [02:49] oh dear [02:49] so I changed the doctype to 4.3 [02:49] oh well [02:49] and wala [02:49] no that is a real problem [02:50] so what should I do? [02:50] the old standard is not supported [02:50] not use xpointer for now? [02:50] I will commit what I have done [02:50] but it means a change in upstream [02:50] you want it [02:51] a change in which upstream? [02:51] the update-manager doc? [02:52] yeah [02:52] okay [02:52] hey all any suggestions for the next meeting in a few days? [02:53] yeah [02:53] i mean agenda suggestions [02:53] jsgotangco, what to do with the gnome user guide [02:54] what to do? [02:54] hang on a sec :-) [02:54] jsgotangco, see the gi-normous thread on that question [02:56] how did you miss that one? [02:58] hmm i must have read it and totally forgotten it [02:58] ;) [02:58] you're kde biased! [02:58] bah [02:58] i still say kde is more mature [02:59] gnome has nice ideas though [02:59] as team secretary you must be wholly impartial :p [03:00] dude [03:00] i use gnome [03:00] ah i c so you're gnome-biased? [03:00] i dont even have kubuntu installed [03:00] ahhh [03:00] that's what I like to hear [03:00] well i don't really use gnome that much lately [03:01] mdke: but do you know Kubuntu has the most UDU specs being implemented at the moment [03:02] Riddell is a machine [03:02] heh [03:03] and Kubuntu has been the testbed of KDE lately [03:07] hey guess what [03:08] i was in the arcade today === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [~ealden@219.90.93.88] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:08] and i saw a tux racer arcade [03:08] no way [03:08] awesome [03:08] yeah [03:09] i don't know if its an official cabinet though [03:09] i should have taken a pic [03:10] oh its an official cabinet [03:10] http://www.roxorgames.com/tux.html [03:14] mdke: please svn and try that [03:14] svn up [03:15] ok will do [03:16] svn up on trunk [03:16] I changed the mod [03:16] yes [03:16] http://pastebin.com/309991 [03:18] froud, ^ [03:19] mhmmm [03:21] ok guys im going to take an early rest we've had a long day. tommorow i'll be doing some reviews on what we had discussed and add some agenda for the next meeting on DocteamMeetingAgenda wiki [03:23] cool [03:23] night jsgotangco [03:25] im still pissed i dont have my svn access today [03:26] xpointer synatx seems broken [03:27] the xinclude is working it bring sin the whole document [03:28] right [03:30] mdke: svn up [03:30] try that [03:31] froud, the validate script doesn't give errors :) === mdke looks at the code [03:31] ok sec [03:31] now svn up in trunk [03:32] done [03:32] (i only have trunk here) [03:33] did it work [03:33] [14:31] < mdke> froud, the validate script doesn't give errors :) [03:33] or does it bring in all of the article [03:33] do I have to build the doc to check? === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@info12-107.info.com.ph] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [03:33] its suppoed to bring in just the nodes defined in the xpointer [03:33] yeah [03:33] build it [03:34] something is borked with xsltproc I think [03:35] it does not follow the xpointer [03:35] hmm [03:36] what does it do your side [03:37] hang on a tic [03:37] tic tic tic [03:37] boom [03:41] froud, oh dear [03:41] http://www.mdke.org/images/userguide.png [03:42] Hmm I just get all of the doc in the userguide [03:43] yo mdke leave it as it is for now. I will check it some more a see what the solution is [03:43] now I am rushing [03:43] not good [03:44] probably gentoo's fault [03:44] I think not [03:44] ah k [03:44] I think the xpointer syntax for xsltproc is borked [03:44] well thanks for working on it anyway [03:44] np [03:44] dont remove it [03:45] i won't change it === ealden [~ealden@ipdial-191-160.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico_ [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:42] mdke: we may hav eto move up dtd versions [04:43] if we do I would just align it on 5.0 [04:43] xml:id is not supported in 4.3 [04:43] that's why the xpointers are failing === enrico_ [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico_ [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico_ [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [~froud@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === enrico_ [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [~ealden@ipdial-191-160.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [~mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:00] hi all === enrico_ [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:29] mgalvin: Hi [07:31] hi judax [07:32] mgalvin: you been working hard [07:33] mgalvin: you need a commit account bad [07:34] yea, i'm still waiting on elmo to setup my account === enrico_ [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:35] ah === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Njal [~neil@212.139.99.45] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:54] lo [07:54] Njal: Hiya [07:55] hows you? [07:55] very good, thx, and you? [07:55] im ok === froud [~sean@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _froud [~sean@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:56] Off on holiday for three weeks on friday morning [07:56] I am on holiday for two weeks starting this coming friday :) [07:56] just wondering if there was a resource i could look at to improve my writing style to be less chatty before i go [07:56] I tryed style guide [07:57] it's not quite complete enough for me to get much from it === froud [~sean@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:58] mdke: you there [07:58] mdke: svn up [07:58] Hmm, you could google for some resources, or probably best is to check out current docs and see how they read [07:58] cd gnome/ [07:58] make ug [07:59] It's kinda hard coz my brain like's the chatty style, will have to retrain it then [08:00] Only prob with chatty is that it doesn't translate well [08:01] I know [08:02] mdke: ping [08:02] hmm it's been patched recently, i'll see what's been added [08:03]