[12:18] <tvo> Riddell: ping
[12:18] <Riddell> tvo: pong
[12:18] <tvo> Riddell: just updated wiki, quite a lot of kio-locate is finished by now
[12:19] <Riddell> tvo: groovy, going to make debian packages?
[12:19] <tvo> also I talked to ita today, and added kio-clucene to my list of "search-programs-still-to-look-at"
[12:19] <tvo> Riddell: hm I could try that too later this week
[12:19] <Riddell> good idea
[12:20] <Riddell> tvo: there's already a kio-locate package by uniq, so it would just be updating it with your version
[12:20] <tvo> ok, though I don't know a thing about packaging yet
[12:21] <Riddell> tvo: you should!  add that to your todo list :)
[12:21] <tvo> Riddell: ok. btw, you think it's a good idea to release beta this week like I said in mail
[12:21] <tvo> ?
[12:22] <tvo> oh and btw, I sent a patch to kde-core-devel list
[12:22] <Riddell> tvo: sounds good to me
[12:22] <Riddell> tvo: what for?
[12:23] <tvo> it modifies kdelibs to also hide files which contain "/."
[12:23] <tvo> ie. /home/tobi/.trash/blah
[12:23] <tvo> Riddell: do you think it has any chance to get through?
[12:24] <Riddell> tvo: well if nobody complains then get me to commit it :)
[12:25] <tvo> Riddell: I already talked in kde-devel with hermier about it
[12:26] <tvo> he thought it would be a good idea to send it to the mailing list first
[12:26] <tvo> because although a small patch it's quite "major" change
[12:26] <Riddell> yes
[12:27] <Riddell> actually I've always hated the way Konqueror does hidden files.  the io slave should have a flag it can mark for hidden files
[12:27] <Riddell> since some systems use different conventions
[12:27] <tvo> that would certainly be better yes
[12:29] <tvo> dmn that's quite stupid indeed
[12:30] <tvo> Riddell: any chance they're going to change that if a patch is written?
[12:30] <Riddell> tvo: don't see why not
[12:31] <tvo> Riddell: what do you think, shall I add this patch to my todo list?
[12:33] <tvo> oh and last thing: if you don't mind I'll at least do the inotify locate
[12:33] <tvo> i've been thinking about it and it makes locate and as such kio-locate much more powerful
[12:34] <tvo> actually, I needed it today to find my way through the kde sources :)
[12:35] <Riddell> tvo: both sound good
[12:36] <tvo> Riddell: seems I've got enough things to do then coming week and the week after I'll get back:)
[12:37] <tvo> Riddell: another last thing: if I want to add a different icon for this collapsed directories, is there anyplace with artists or a database with icons or whatever?
[12:38] <Riddell>  kdelibs/pics/crystalsvg
[12:38] <Riddell> try folder_green maybe (I made that)
[12:39] <tvo> ok thanks, i'll update the wiki one last time and go to bed ... already 0:40 here
[12:50] <tvo> done. also cancelled the email to kde-core-devel, was still in queue
[12:50] <tvo> bye
[01:17] <JRe> Riddell, allee: okay it's done, medianotifier (aka Kay) is now in kdebase
[01:17] <allee> JRe: hey great!
[01:18] <JRe> allee: :)
[01:18] <Riddell> JRe: so I hear :)
[01:19] <JRe> Riddell: no i am going to finish polishing my package
[01:19] <JRe> s
[01:20] <JRe> Riddell: BTW a Kat 0.6.0 is near to be out
[01:20] <Riddell> JRe: does this mean we don't need ivman?
[01:20] <JRe> Riddell: No ivman is a still necessary for automouting
[01:21] <Riddell> I thought medianotifier watched media:/ for new things appearing
[01:21] <JRe> Riddell: yeah that's the behaviour
[01:21] <JRe> Riddell: but it does not mount the media
[01:22] <Riddell> what does it do?
[01:22] <JRe> it propose a set of services
[01:22] <JRe> to launch
[01:22] <JRe> like launch digiKam if it's a camera
[01:22] <JRe> so it ehances a lot the usability for newbies
[01:23] <JRe> also play CD for an audiocd
[01:24] <Riddell> but if it's a usb pen drive then presumably one of the options is open it in media:/ which will mount the drive
[01:24] <JRe> Riddell: oh in this case it's good
[01:24] <JRe> right
[01:25] <JRe> IVman is not obliged so ;) ;) ;)
[01:25] <Riddell> JRe: can it be backported to KDE 3.4?
[01:26] <JRe> Riddell: yes
[01:26] <JRe> Riddell: of course if you have any idea or suggestion
[01:26] <JRe> Riddell: i'll be glad to add or enhance a feature
[01:29] <Riddell> is there a way to detect other stuff that's hotplugged but not picked up by media:/ ?
[01:29] <JRe> nop
[01:29] <Riddell> like printers and scanners (dunno what you'd do with them though)
[01:30] <JRe> Riddell: ATM it only listen media:/ URL
[01:30] <Riddell> yep
[03:31] <Riddell> hi sebas 
[03:31] <sebas> Hi Riddell :)
[03:31] <Riddell> \sh: oy, nuff of that
[03:32] <\sh> sorry...just trying to setup my nickserv :(
[03:32] <Riddell> sebas: could you put your xorg.conf and xorg.0.log on a webserver somewhere?
[03:32] <sebas> Sure.
[03:34] <sebas> http://vizzzion.org/~sebas/tmp/kubuntu/xorg.conf
[03:35] <sebas> http://vizzzion.org/~sebas/tmp/kubuntu/Xorg.0.log
[03:40] <Riddell> hmm, it all looks like it should work to me
[03:40] <sebas> At least I'm not looking too stupid now then ;-)
[03:41] <sebas> Hm, unpacking a bunch of my fonts from another machine makes X start.
[03:41] <sebas> Strange, but I don't care too much now.
[03:41] <Riddell> unpacking to where?
[03:42] <sebas> The font pathes mentioned in xorg.conf.
[03:44] <Riddell> X is evil
[03:45] <sebas> It is.
[03:45] <sebas> \sh is the packager of pykde, right?
[03:46] <\sh> hmm...something happened? then no ;)
[03:46] <sebas> Hehe :)
[03:46] <sebas> Not yet, but be prepared :)
[03:47] <\sh> i'm not responsible for exploding gnomes or those things..please bug upstream *eg*
[03:47] <sebas> *g*
[03:48] <sebas> I had a strange bugs using your package on hoary, running hand compiled pykde now.
[03:48] <\sh> aehm...which one? my port or the orig one?
[03:48] <sebas> But let's focus on getting the stuff running on breezy, if I get confident enough to upgrade my workstation.
[03:48] <\sh> the only working package is in breezy
[03:49] <sebas> In your package while the hand baken pykde worked.
[03:49] <sebas> Ah, good then :)
[03:49] <\sh> sebas: from my repos? 
[03:49] <sebas> Jep.
[03:49] <\sh> yeah...looks like screwed..so forget it...
[03:49] <sebas> I can dig through my mails if you want to know the details.
[03:49] <sebas> Ok :)
[03:50] <\sh> sebas: upstream pykde is more broken then working ,-)
[03:50] <sebas> I know
[03:50] <sebas> I have some patches pending in Phil's snapshots also.
[03:50] <\sh> even the new snapshot is not fixing even the important stuff
[03:51] <\sh> that reminds me...
[03:51] <\sh> i have to setup a cron
[03:57] <sebas> Ok, kdecore imports cleanly so it seems to work.
[03:57] <sebas> I'll dig into the problems you've had with guidance now, Riddell.
[03:58] <Riddell> sebas: excellent, tell me if I can be of any help
[03:58] <sebas> Sure. Thx.
[04:08] <sebas> Riddell: Did you get an error installing pykdeextensions "can't find python2.4/Config/Makefile or something like that?
[04:08] <sebas> That is _really_ strange :>
[04:13] <Riddell> sebas: don't think so no
[04:13] <sebas> Hm, then that's another strange error.
[04:14] <sebas> I might aswell work around the pykdeextension mess until Simon can dig into that and get guidance running in the meantime.
[04:17] <fromoze> Hi, I'm testing breezy  amd64 and I find a big trouble: I can't write accents over the vowels. I ask on #kubuntu but I don't get any answer. I would repport a bug but I don't know if it's a circunstantial for the actual package of Qt. Becuase It's a qt problem.
[04:18] <Riddell> fromoze: what do you get instead?
[04:19] <fromoze> look: camion
[04:19] <fromoze> I'll try to paste from a non-qt app...
[04:20] <fromoze> It must be that:  camin
[04:20] <fromoze> it's something about input on qt, that's what I localize.
[04:21] <fromoze> I try to find about XIM, I see it on qtconfig, but I couldn't arrive to a conclusion.
[05:35] <Riddell> froud: where are the sources to  kubuntu-docs deb?
[05:37] <pef> hello
[05:37] <Riddell> hi pef 
[05:39] <pef> Riddell: could you have a look at datakiosk package ?
[05:39] <Riddell> pef: where is it?
[05:39] <pef> Riddell: on revu waiting :)
[05:40] <Riddell> ah hah 
[05:56] <Riddell> datakiosk's packaging is slightly nuts, the datakiosk-0.7/src/datakiosk directory has its own Makefile foo which doesn't want to distclean
[06:04] <pef> Riddell: I had to add this target ?
[06:04] <Riddell> dunno, it doesn't want to clean whatever you do
[06:05] <pef> :[
[06:05] <Riddell> find . -name Makefile | xargs rm 
[06:05] <froud> Riddell: hi, does kubuntu-doc have a footprint in nightly builds?
[06:06] <Riddell> find . -name .deps | xargs rm -rf
[06:06] <Riddell> froud: what do you mean?
[06:06] <froud> last week we discussed getting kubuntu-doc uploaded
[06:07] <Riddell> froud: which is why I'm looking for the source packages now :)
[06:07] <froud> Riddell: ah, ok
[06:10] <Riddell> pef: could you add those two to the clean target after the distclean.  also in the control file add spaces after the >= sign e.g. "kdelibs4-dev (>=3.4.1)"
[06:10] <Riddell> dunno why but that's what every other package does
[06:11] <Riddell> froud: so where are the sources?
[06:13] <pef> Riddell: for the extra space, it may be interesting to add this test to lintian no ?
[06:14] <Riddell> pef: well I guess it doesn't actually make a difference but it's what everything else does so seems tidy to do the same
[06:14] <Riddell> e-mail the lintian dudes to suggest it
[06:15] <pef> ok :)
[06:18] <pef> Riddell: I think now I can remove the - in front of -$(make) since no errors will ocurr now ?
[06:19] <Riddell> pef: errors will still occur if you run debuild -S without having made the package first, so keep it in
[06:20] <KaiL> hmm, no amu
[06:21] <pef> Riddell: do you often have to make hacks like this on packages ?
[06:21] <KaiL> who knows, hot to get an old iMac to boot from the kubuntu install CD? ;)
[06:21] <Riddell> pef: fortunatly not often
[06:24] <froud> Riddell: what revision do you have 0.2 is the current version
[06:24] <Riddell> froud: I have the 0.2 .deb yes
[06:24] <froud> k
[06:24] <froud> just uploading tar
[06:25] <froud> Riddell:  complete see http://www.lnix.net/~froud/deb/
[06:26] <froud> Riddell: ok?
[06:27] <Riddell> froud: downloading now
[06:28] <froud> cool I will upload the src once a week but deb each day (if there are changes)
[06:40] <Riddell> froud: what dose the C stand for?  there's lots of directories just called C
[06:41] <Riddell> ah, the language C I guess, meaning non-localised
[06:42] <Riddell> froud: what's the difference between xsltproc and meinproc?
[06:51] <pef> Riddell: upload done ;)
[06:51] <tvo> Riddell: kio locate help is up to date, locater:help works and you can choose one of 7 colors folder icons in config dlg
[06:51] <tvo> Riddell: if you've got some time, could you proof-read the help?
[06:52] <tvo> hmm dunno if that's the right word in english, maybe "test-read"
[06:53] <tvo> see wiki for details
[06:54] <froud> Riddell: C/ is English US
[06:55] <froud> Riddell: C/ is not actually used in KDE
[06:55] <froud> It's a carry over form GNOME
[06:56] <froud> Riddell: we can change it, but will need to decide on how to manage i18n
[06:56] <Riddell> froud: it's fine, I was just wondering
[06:56] <froud> xsltproc and meinproc
[06:56] <froud> no idea of diff
[06:56] <froud> we just use xsltproc
[06:57] <Riddell> ah, there are limits to your knowledge
[06:57] <froud> absolutely :-)
[06:57] <froud> actually I don't know why KDE Docs uses it
[06:57] <froud> it must be a hangover from when they used SGML
[06:58] <froud> Riddell: why
[06:59] <froud> Riddell: do you think we need to change any thing
[06:59] <froud> [18:34]  * Riddell gets lots of "No localization exists for "c" or "". Using default "en"."
[06:59] <froud> A wanted error :-)
[07:01] <Riddell> don't think we need to change anything, looks good to me
[07:01] <Riddell> froud: how will the version number be updated?  
[07:01] <Riddell> currently 0.2
[07:02] <froud> 0.3 0.4 0.5 .....0.10 0.11 0.12 @ release 1.0
[07:03] <Riddell> sounds good
[07:03] <froud> k
[07:03] <Riddell> updated weekly or daily?
[07:05] <froud> daily if changes
[07:05] <froud> tar once a week
[07:05] <froud> but deb each day
[07:06] <froud> not worth doing a version bump if no changes
[07:06] <froud> and not worth uploading in this case
[07:06] <froud> for src what I can do is each Saturday upload the src
[07:07] <froud> so for you the upload is just once a week
[07:24] <Riddell> froud: well it all looks good, happy for me to upload?
[07:29] <froud> Riddell: I'm happy if you are happy :-)
[07:47] <Riddell> uploaded, froud did you get a NEW e-mail?
[07:48] <froud> no why?
[07:49] <froud> I still have the same address
[07:50] <Riddell> normally I upload by chaning the e-mail address in the changelog to mine and then I get an e-mail saying "you uploaded a NEW package"
[07:50] <Riddell> but with this one I kept your e-mail address and did some debuild trickery to make it signed by me
[07:51] <Riddell> so I don't know where the NEW e-mail goes or if the whole thing has gone into /dev/null
[07:51] <froud> hmm I forgot to change the email address in the changelog
[07:52] <froud> sean@localhost.localdomain :-)
[07:52] <Riddell> no it's sean@inwords.co.za
[07:53] <froud> that should be correct
[07:54] <Riddell> hmm, elmo isn't online
[07:55] <Mez> mdz and elmo havent been online for a few days
[07:56] <Riddell> spooky
[07:57] <froud> spoke to mdz yesterday and elmo is moving house :-)
[07:59] <Mez> ah ok, maybe bot :P
[08:32] <dato> mdz and elmo are here in .fi (DebConf) now
[09:05] <jb_> ..still no amu
[09:21] <pef> Riddell: i've made a new datakiosk upload following your corrections
[09:25] <kl> imac - cooked data...
[11:07] <froud> later dudes
[11:12] <Riddell> uniq: what to do with kio-apt?
[11:16] <uniq> riddell: well, i don't have time to fix the graphics stuff right now. its there anything else you've noticed? 
[11:16] <Riddell> uniq: nope.  so either it's uploaded to REVU or we do a sneaky upload to ubuntu
[11:17] <uniq> that's up to you really. i can upload it to revu.. but both will conflict with the 'sneaky' bit :)
[11:19] <uniq> both as in upload to both.
[11:21] <uniq> however, it's possible to get 3 MOTUS to review it pretty fast i guess.
[11:22] <uniq> as a pro for the proper way.
[11:22] <Riddell> uniq: ok, try the REVU way then
[11:23] <uniq> will upload rtight away.
[11:30] <uniq> hmm.. it doesn't showup on the page.. 
[11:31] <Riddell> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=114
[11:33] <pef_aw> bye !
[11:47] <uniq> i'll have to get my ass going and meet mithrandir soon, get my key signed and become a motu.
[11:50] <uniq> correction, try to become a motu.
[11:52] <uniq> riddell: /var/lib/apt/lists/download.kde.org_stable_3.4.1_kubuntu_dists_hoary-updates_main_binary-powerpc_Packages
[11:52] <uniq> is that something you could fix?