[12:18] Riddell: ping [12:18] tvo: pong [12:18] Riddell: just updated wiki, quite a lot of kio-locate is finished by now [12:19] tvo: groovy, going to make debian packages? [12:19] also I talked to ita today, and added kio-clucene to my list of "search-programs-still-to-look-at" [12:19] Riddell: hm I could try that too later this week [12:19] good idea [12:20] tvo: there's already a kio-locate package by uniq, so it would just be updating it with your version [12:20] ok, though I don't know a thing about packaging yet [12:21] tvo: you should! add that to your todo list :) [12:21] Riddell: ok. btw, you think it's a good idea to release beta this week like I said in mail [12:21] ? [12:22] oh and btw, I sent a patch to kde-core-devel list [12:22] tvo: sounds good to me [12:22] tvo: what for? [12:23] it modifies kdelibs to also hide files which contain "/." [12:23] ie. /home/tobi/.trash/blah [12:23] Riddell: do you think it has any chance to get through? [12:24] tvo: well if nobody complains then get me to commit it :) [12:25] Riddell: I already talked in kde-devel with hermier about it [12:26] he thought it would be a good idea to send it to the mailing list first [12:26] because although a small patch it's quite "major" change [12:26] yes [12:27] actually I've always hated the way Konqueror does hidden files. the io slave should have a flag it can mark for hidden files [12:27] since some systems use different conventions [12:27] that would certainly be better yes === tvo wonders if it works with fat hidden files... === tvo checks that now [12:29] dmn that's quite stupid indeed [12:30] Riddell: any chance they're going to change that if a patch is written? [12:30] tvo: don't see why not [12:31] Riddell: what do you think, shall I add this patch to my todo list? [12:33] oh and last thing: if you don't mind I'll at least do the inotify locate [12:33] i've been thinking about it and it makes locate and as such kio-locate much more powerful [12:34] actually, I needed it today to find my way through the kde sources :) [12:35] tvo: both sound good [12:36] Riddell: seems I've got enough things to do then coming week and the week after I'll get back:) [12:37] Riddell: another last thing: if I want to add a different icon for this collapsed directories, is there anyplace with artists or a database with icons or whatever? [12:38] kdelibs/pics/crystalsvg [12:38] try folder_green maybe (I made that) [12:39] ok thanks, i'll update the wiki one last time and go to bed ... already 0:40 here [12:50] done. also cancelled the email to kde-core-devel, was still in queue [12:50] bye === KaiL [KaiL@p548F47D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kubuntu-live [~kubuntu-l@rchp4.rochester.ibm.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === froud [~sean@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell [jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === calc_ [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === froud [~sean@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ttf [~tom@ipx20310.ipxserver.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell [jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === uniq [charlie@213.184.199.55] has joined #kubuntu-devel === je4d [~jeff@demantoid.trinhall.cam.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away [~sh@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KaiL [KaiL@p548F47D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dato [~adeodato@84-120-66-144.onocable.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cartel_ [~cartel@shinobi.thoughtcrime.org.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === froud [~sean@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === calc_ [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === ttf [~tom@ipx20310.ipxserver.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [~tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [~ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:17] Riddell, allee: okay it's done, medianotifier (aka Kay) is now in kdebase [01:17] JRe: hey great! [01:18] allee: :) [01:18] JRe: so I hear :) [01:19] Riddell: no i am going to finish polishing my package [01:19] s [01:20] Riddell: BTW a Kat 0.6.0 is near to be out [01:20] JRe: does this mean we don't need ivman? [01:20] Riddell: No ivman is a still necessary for automouting [01:21] I thought medianotifier watched media:/ for new things appearing [01:21] Riddell: yeah that's the behaviour [01:21] Riddell: but it does not mount the media [01:22] what does it do? [01:22] it propose a set of services [01:22] to launch [01:22] like launch digiKam if it's a camera [01:22] so it ehances a lot the usability for newbies [01:23] also play CD for an audiocd [01:24] but if it's a usb pen drive then presumably one of the options is open it in media:/ which will mount the drive [01:24] Riddell: oh in this case it's good [01:24] right [01:25] IVman is not obliged so ;) ;) ;) [01:25] JRe: can it be backported to KDE 3.4? [01:26] Riddell: yes [01:26] Riddell: of course if you have any idea or suggestion [01:26] Riddell: i'll be glad to add or enhance a feature [01:29] is there a way to detect other stuff that's hotplugged but not picked up by media:/ ? [01:29] nop [01:29] like printers and scanners (dunno what you'd do with them though) [01:30] Riddell: ATM it only listen media:/ URL [01:30] yep === spierrel [~spierrel@80.125.215.54] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell high fives spierrel === JRee [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jre_ [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jre_ is now known as JRe === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === \sh is now known as \sh_awAY === \sh_awAY is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === sebas [~sebas@vhe-382306.sshn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:31] hi sebas [03:31] Hi Riddell :) [03:31] \sh: oy, nuff of that === jpatrick [~Patrick@146.Red-81-35-46.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:32] <\sh> sorry...just trying to setup my nickserv :( [03:32] sebas: could you put your xorg.conf and xorg.0.log on a webserver somewhere? [03:32] Sure. [03:34] http://vizzzion.org/~sebas/tmp/kubuntu/xorg.conf [03:35] http://vizzzion.org/~sebas/tmp/kubuntu/Xorg.0.log [03:40] hmm, it all looks like it should work to me [03:40] At least I'm not looking too stupid now then ;-) [03:41] Hm, unpacking a bunch of my fonts from another machine makes X start. [03:41] Strange, but I don't care too much now. [03:41] unpacking to where? [03:42] The font pathes mentioned in xorg.conf. [03:44] X is evil [03:45] It is. [03:45] \sh is the packager of pykde, right? [03:46] <\sh> hmm...something happened? then no ;) [03:46] Hehe :) [03:46] Not yet, but be prepared :) [03:47] <\sh> i'm not responsible for exploding gnomes or those things..please bug upstream *eg* [03:47] *g* [03:48] I had a strange bugs using your package on hoary, running hand compiled pykde now. [03:48] <\sh> aehm...which one? my port or the orig one? [03:48] But let's focus on getting the stuff running on breezy, if I get confident enough to upgrade my workstation. [03:48] <\sh> the only working package is in breezy [03:49] In your package while the hand baken pykde worked. [03:49] Ah, good then :) [03:49] <\sh> sebas: from my repos? [03:49] Jep. [03:49] <\sh> yeah...looks like screwed..so forget it... [03:49] I can dig through my mails if you want to know the details. [03:49] Ok :) [03:50] <\sh> sebas: upstream pykde is more broken then working ,-) [03:50] I know [03:50] I have some patches pending in Phil's snapshots also. [03:50] <\sh> even the new snapshot is not fixing even the important stuff [03:51] <\sh> that reminds me... [03:51] <\sh> i have to setup a cron [03:57] Ok, kdecore imports cleanly so it seems to work. [03:57] I'll dig into the problems you've had with guidance now, Riddell. [03:58] sebas: excellent, tell me if I can be of any help [03:58] Sure. Thx. === fromoze [~fromoze@81.172.88.164] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:08] Riddell: Did you get an error installing pykdeextensions "can't find python2.4/Config/Makefile or something like that? [04:08] That is _really_ strange :> [04:13] sebas: don't think so no [04:13] Hm, then that's another strange error. [04:14] I might aswell work around the pykdeextension mess until Simon can dig into that and get guidance running in the meantime. [04:17] Hi, I'm testing breezy amd64 and I find a big trouble: I can't write accents over the vowels. I ask on #kubuntu but I don't get any answer. I would repport a bug but I don't know if it's a circunstantial for the actual package of Qt. Becuase It's a qt problem. [04:18] fromoze: what do you get instead? [04:19] look: camion [04:19] I'll try to paste from a non-qt app... [04:20] It must be that: camin [04:20] it's something about input on qt, that's what I localize. [04:21] I try to find about XIM, I see it on qtconfig, but I couldn't arrive to a conclusion. === froud [~froud@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === crimsun [~dtchen@crimsun.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRee [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:35] froud: where are the sources to kubuntu-docs deb? === pef [~loic@erodia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:37] hello [05:37] hi pef [05:39] Riddell: could you have a look at datakiosk package ? [05:39] pef: where is it? [05:39] Riddell: on revu waiting :) [05:40] ah hah === \sh is now known as \sh_away [05:56] datakiosk's packaging is slightly nuts, the datakiosk-0.7/src/datakiosk directory has its own Makefile foo which doesn't want to distclean === froud [~sean@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:04] Riddell: I had to add this target ? [06:04] dunno, it doesn't want to clean whatever you do [06:05] :[ [06:05] find . -name Makefile | xargs rm [06:05] Riddell: hi, does kubuntu-doc have a footprint in nightly builds? [06:06] find . -name .deps | xargs rm -rf [06:06] froud: what do you mean? [06:06] last week we discussed getting kubuntu-doc uploaded [06:07] froud: which is why I'm looking for the source packages now :) [06:07] Riddell: ah, ok [06:10] pef: could you add those two to the clean target after the distclean. also in the control file add spaces after the >= sign e.g. "kdelibs4-dev (>=3.4.1)" [06:10] dunno why but that's what every other package does [06:11] froud: so where are the sources? [06:13] Riddell: for the extra space, it may be interesting to add this test to lintian no ? [06:14] pef: well I guess it doesn't actually make a difference but it's what everything else does so seems tidy to do the same [06:14] e-mail the lintian dudes to suggest it [06:15] ok :) [06:18] Riddell: I think now I can remove the - in front of -$(make) since no errors will ocurr now ? [06:19] pef: errors will still occur if you run debuild -S without having made the package first, so keep it in [06:20] hmm, no amu [06:21] Riddell: do you often have to make hacks like this on packages ? [06:21] who knows, hot to get an old iMac to boot from the kubuntu install CD? ;) [06:21] pef: fortunatly not often [06:24] Riddell: what revision do you have 0.2 is the current version [06:24] froud: I have the 0.2 .deb yes [06:24] k [06:24] just uploading tar [06:25] Riddell: complete see http://www.lnix.net/~froud/deb/ [06:26] Riddell: ok? [06:27] froud: downloading now [06:28] cool I will upload the src once a week but deb each day (if there are changes) [06:40] froud: what dose the C stand for? there's lots of directories just called C [06:41] ah, the language C I guess, meaning non-localised === Riddell gets lots of "No localization exists for "c" or "". Using default "en"." [06:42] froud: what's the difference between xsltproc and meinproc? [06:51] Riddell: upload done ;) [06:51] Riddell: kio locate help is up to date, locater:help works and you can choose one of 7 colors folder icons in config dlg [06:51] Riddell: if you've got some time, could you proof-read the help? [06:52] hmm dunno if that's the right word in english, maybe "test-read" [06:53] see wiki for details [06:54] Riddell: C/ is English US === tvo is hungry... going to eat something [06:55] Riddell: C/ is not actually used in KDE [06:55] It's a carry over form GNOME [06:56] Riddell: we can change it, but will need to decide on how to manage i18n [06:56] froud: it's fine, I was just wondering [06:56] xsltproc and meinproc [06:56] no idea of diff [06:56] we just use xsltproc [06:57] ah, there are limits to your knowledge [06:57] absolutely :-) [06:57] actually I don't know why KDE Docs uses it [06:57] it must be a hangover from when they used SGML [06:58] Riddell: why [06:59] Riddell: do you think we need to change any thing [06:59] [18:34] * Riddell gets lots of "No localization exists for "c" or "". Using default "en"." [06:59] A wanted error :-) [07:01] don't think we need to change anything, looks good to me [07:01] froud: how will the version number be updated? [07:01] currently 0.2 [07:02] 0.3 0.4 0.5 .....0.10 0.11 0.12 @ release 1.0 [07:03] sounds good [07:03] k [07:03] updated weekly or daily? [07:05] daily if changes [07:05] tar once a week [07:05] but deb each day [07:06] not worth doing a version bump if no changes [07:06] and not worth uploading in this case [07:06] for src what I can do is each Saturday upload the src [07:07] so for you the upload is just once a week === fromoze is back [07:24] froud: well it all looks good, happy for me to upload? [07:29] Riddell: I'm happy if you are happy :-) === Mez [~mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:47] uploaded, froud did you get a NEW e-mail? [07:48] no why? [07:49] I still have the same address [07:50] normally I upload by chaning the e-mail address in the changelog to mine and then I get an e-mail saying "you uploaded a NEW package" [07:50] but with this one I kept your e-mail address and did some debuild trickery to make it signed by me [07:51] so I don't know where the NEW e-mail goes or if the whole thing has gone into /dev/null [07:51] hmm I forgot to change the email address in the changelog [07:52] sean@localhost.localdomain :-) [07:52] no it's sean@inwords.co.za [07:53] that should be correct [07:54] hmm, elmo isn't online [07:55] mdz and elmo havent been online for a few days [07:56] spooky [07:57] spoke to mdz yesterday and elmo is moving house :-) [07:59] ah ok, maybe bot :P [08:32] mdz and elmo are here in .fi (DebConf) now === tvo is back === Mez [~mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jb_ [~jb@p548F47D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:05] ..still no amu [09:21] Riddell: i've made a new datakiosk upload following your corrections === tvo [~tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pef is now known as pef_aw [09:25] imac - cooked data... === Mez [~mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth_k [~seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:07] later dudes === froud [~sean@ndn-165-142-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [11:12] uniq: what to do with kio-apt? [11:16] riddell: well, i don't have time to fix the graphics stuff right now. its there anything else you've noticed? [11:16] uniq: nope. so either it's uploaded to REVU or we do a sneaky upload to ubuntu [11:17] that's up to you really. i can upload it to revu.. but both will conflict with the 'sneaky' bit :) [11:19] both as in upload to both. [11:21] however, it's possible to get 3 MOTUS to review it pretty fast i guess. [11:22] as a pro for the proper way. [11:22] uniq: ok, try the REVU way then [11:23] will upload rtight away. [11:30] hmm.. it doesn't showup on the page.. [11:31] http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=114 [11:33] bye ! [11:47] i'll have to get my ass going and meet mithrandir soon, get my key signed and become a motu. [11:50] correction, try to become a motu. [11:52] riddell: /var/lib/apt/lists/download.kde.org_stable_3.4.1_kubuntu_dists_hoary-updates_main_binary-powerpc_Packages [11:52] is that something you could fix?