[12:02] <supernix> Are the packages in the ubuntu list the same for kubuntu ?
[12:02] <seth_k> yes, kubuntu is derived from ubuntu and they share repositories
[12:02] <seth_k> the naming difference is only marketing, nothing more
[12:03] <Computer__Guru> actually
[12:04] <Computer__Guru> kubuntu is PART of ubuntu - you can't have kubuntu without ubuntu
[12:04] <seth_k> like I said, it's just marketing
[12:04] <seth_k> but sure, you can install a Kubuntu CD and have no Gnome
[12:04] <Computer__Guru> but you still have ubuntu
[12:04] <seth_k> what is "ubuntu"?
[12:04] <seth_k> :P
[12:04] <Computer__Guru> gnome is just a desktop :D
[12:04] <seth_k> everything is Linux when you come down to it
[12:05] <Computer__Guru> but walk a step up from that, and you're running debian :D
[12:05] <nikkia> seth, thats not really true
[12:05] <nikkia> seth, imagine for a second FreeVMS
[12:05] <nikkia> its a linux kernel, but is the OS linux? no
[12:05] <Computer__Guru> ew
[12:06] <Computer__Guru> or FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and NetBSD
[12:06] <Computer__Guru> none of which are linux...
[12:06] <nikkia> Computer__Guru: not good examples, as they're not the linux kernel
[12:06] <Computer__Guru> blah
[12:06] <supernix> I was browsing the url catcher and saw packages.ubuntu.com and wondered if that list was the same as the list for packages for Kubuntu
[12:06] <nikkia> my point is, freevms IS a linux kernel, however, you'd never call it 'linux' from using it
[12:06] <Computer__Guru> nikkia, tell me why my gaim crashes
[12:06] <crimsun> supernix: yes.
[12:06] <Computer__Guru> it started happening after i installed gtk2-engines-qt
[12:07] <nikkia> Computer__Guru: the qt theme you're using probably isn't very gtk friendly
[12:07] <supernix> but like you said they are the same and it makes perfect sense as it would be stupid to change anything on the distro other than the default WM
[12:07] <Computer__Guru> and told gtk to use my kde theme
[12:07] <Computer__Guru> blah screw that, im not getting rid of this theme
[12:07] <nikkia> Computer__Guru: may i suggest kopete ? :)
[12:07] <Computer__Guru> does it do everything gaim does and allow for bangexec commands?
[12:07] <nikkia> *shrug*
[12:08] <nikkia> it does what i need, that is all i've really bothered to care about
[12:08] <Computer__Guru> can you !command and have it display in the channel?
[12:08] <Computer__Guru> cat /proc/version:
[12:08] <Computer__Guru> Linux version 2.6.10-5-386 (buildd@terranova) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)) #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005
[12:08] <nikkia> Computer__Guru: erm, you're using gaim for irc??
[12:08] <nikkia> that is just, well, wrong
[12:08] <Computer__Guru> it works
[12:08] <Computer__Guru> well
[12:09] <Computer__Guru> brb
[12:09] <nikkia> Computer__Guru: a proper irc client would work better, and every irc client i know of supports some form of /exec
[12:09] <nikkia> kvirc's is a bit convoluted, but it is also probably the most flexible once you get past how it does things differently to everyone else
[12:10] <nikkia> (you pass a script function to the exec function that tells it what to do with the output of exec
[12:11] <Computer__Guru> xchat is nice
[12:11] <Computer__Guru> i think ill just stick with gaim, tho :)
[12:11] <Computer__Guru> I'm used to it
[12:12] <Computer__Guru> im gonna run out for a bit, bbl
[12:12] <nikkia> for example, in kvirc, to do uname -a ... you'd do /exec ("uname -a") { say $1; }
[12:12] <nikkia> Linux nikki 2.6.10-5-686 #1 Fri Jun 24 17:33:34 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:12] <nikkia> like that :)
[12:12] <Computer__Guru> that looks like a pain, but im sure you could write an alias called sayexec
[12:12] <nikkia> as i said, it looks long winded, but the advantage is you can do just about anything with it, without having to write a long script
[12:13] <nikkia> yeah, you could alias it easy enough
[12:13] <Computer__Guru> cat /proc/version;cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i name;cat /proc/meminfo | grep -i memtotal;df -Th:
[12:13] <Computer__Guru> Linux version 2.6.10-5-386 (buildd@terranova) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)) #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005
[12:13] <Computer__Guru> model name	: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz
[12:13] <Computer__Guru> MemTotal:       386360 kB
[12:13] <Computer__Guru> Filesystem    Type    Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[12:13] <Computer__Guru> /dev/hda3     ext3     19G  2.5G   15G  14% /
[12:13] <Computer__Guru> tmpfs        tmpfs    189M     0  189M   0% /dev/shm
[12:13] <Computer__Guru> /dev       unknown     19G  2.5G   15G  14% /.dev
[12:13] <Computer__Guru> none         tmpfs    5.0M  2.9M  2.2M  57% /dev
[12:13] <Computer__Guru> /dev/hda1     ntfs     40G   35G  4.3G  90% /mnt/hda1
[12:13] <Computer__Guru> /dev/hda4     vfat     54G   13G   41G  24% /mnt/hda4
[12:13] <Computer__Guru> heh
[12:15] <Computer__Guru> with bangexec, you !! to echo only to you, ! to echo to the room, and !!! to echo the actual !command
[12:15] <nikkia> Computer__Guru: its still limited
[12:15] <Computer__Guru> yeah but it does what i need.. most i usually do is echo a fortune, what you just saw, or apt-get moo ;)
[12:16] <nikkia> Computer__Guru: you can't do the equivalent of /exec ( "fortune" ) { amsg is away - $1 ; away $1; }    for example
[12:16] <Computer__Guru> nikkia, you should go rate my desktop screenshot on kde-look.org
[12:16] <nikkia> Computer__Guru: you'd probably rather i didn't
[12:17] <Computer__Guru> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=26283
[12:17] <Computer__Guru> it's pretty :D
[12:17] <nikkia> i have no tolerance for 'flashy, tones of transparent windows, flash instead of substance' desktops
[12:17] <Computer__Guru> it's flashy, but it's VERY functional
[12:17] <nikkia> and IME, anyone that puts their desktop on such a site, usually has just such a desktop :P
[12:18] <Computer__Guru> like i said, it's flashy but it's very functional.. everything i need is on the docker
[12:18] <Computer__Guru> one click away
[12:19] <nikkia> yeah, you really don't want me to rate that :P
[12:19] <nikkia> the transparent konqueror window would get an instant 0/10
[12:19] <Computer__Guru> yeah i only turned it on for the screenshot..t his video card sucks ass
[12:19] <nikkia> the invisible taskbar? that'd be negative numbers
[12:19] <Computer__Guru> you can see what you need to
[12:20] <Computer__Guru> well at least tell me you're an alexis bledel fan :p
[12:20] <nikkia> no idea who that is, so no
[12:20] <Computer__Guru> rory from gilmore girls/becky from sin city
[12:21] <nikkia> don't watch them
[12:21] <monchy> you haven't heard of sin city?
[12:21] <Computer__Guru> so what do you run? xfce?
[12:21] <Computer__Guru> fluxbox?
[12:21] <Computer__Guru> console?
[12:21] <nikkia> monchy: heard of, yes, watch? no, better things to do
[12:21] <Computer__Guru> :D
[12:21] <nikkia> Computer__Guru: i run KDE, but with sane settings
[12:22] <Computer__Guru> kde runs quite a bit faster setup like this than it did out of the box.... sanity is a matter of symantecs
[12:22] <nikkia> Computer__Guru: its not about 'minimalism' its about being able to get work done without the flashy theme getting in the way
[12:22] <Computer__Guru> it doesnt, ever
[12:22] <Computer__Guru> except when gaim crashes ;)
[12:22] <nikkia> Computer__Guru: making a konqueror window transparent, is just pointless, it doesn't help you browse your files in any way
[12:22] <Computer__Guru> I know, and I don't have it turned on
[12:22] <Computer__Guru> it also doesnt get int he way though
[12:22] <nikkia> all it does, is expose a little bit of your background, and that doesn't improve productivity in any way, shape or form
[12:23] <Computer__Guru> whats wrong with eye candy so long as its functional?
[12:23] <monchy> just give up computer, you can't win this lol
[12:23] <Computer__Guru> but im having fun :D
[12:23] <nikkia> computer, and your clock, lets not go there, i've never seen such ugly text outside of xosd
[12:24] <Computer__Guru> im just gonna beat you
[12:24] <Computer__Guru> hows that sound
[12:24] <Computer__Guru> :D
[12:24] <Computer__Guru> it's the kde digital clock
[12:24] <insanekane> yeah, whats with wackos who use transparent windows ???
[12:24] <insanekane> ;)
[12:24] <Computer__Guru> unmodified
[12:24] <Computer__Guru> well, i added seconds and blinking dots
[12:24] <insanekane> Computer__Guru: btw, nice icon set .. which one ?
[12:25] <nikkia> Computer__Guru: a clock that is designed to be displayed on a solid background, and thus is optimised for that in terms of colour choice and font, a clock that just looks plain ugly put against a transparent window in front of a image background
[12:25] <Computer__Guru> if it's designed to be on a solid background, whyc an you set it to transparent? ... sounds to me like it was designed to run either way.. PROBABLY why it has a shadow 
[12:26] <Computer__Guru> insanekane: Aqua Fusion 0.5.0
[12:26] <insanekane> naah ... it can be set to transparent because they didn't want to restrict anyone, not because it should be done
[12:27] <nikkia> computer, you can set it to white text on a white background, does that imply that's a great choice?
[12:27] <bobbyd_> hi
[12:27] <Computer__Guru> i can read it against any background with black text and a grey shadow... thats all i care about
[12:27] <Computer__Guru> yaknow, nikkia, you're the one who helped me get all this setup ;)
[12:27] <bobbyd_> how do I use this as a source for synaptic? http://3demi.net/debian/debs/ ?
[12:28] <nikkia> Computer__Guru: yes, and i feel guilt :/
[12:28] <seth_k> bobbyd_: the short answer is don't
[12:28] <nikkia> Computer__Guru: IMO, the 'pimp my desktop' crowd does more to harm linux's image than anything
[12:28] <seth_k> bobbyd_: debian sources mixed with ubuntu are not safe
[12:28] <Computer__Guru> bobbyd_: add deb http://3demi.net/debian/debs/ ./ to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:29] <bobbyd_> seth_k, so should I just comple the things I want?
[12:30] <seth_k> bobbyd_: or talk to MOTU and ask for them to enter the Ubuntu universe
[12:30] <nikkia> seth, in fairness, obscure apps like that are unlikely ever to have enough mass appeal to put them in the main repositories :)
[12:30] <Computer__Guru> nikkia: I disagree wholeheartedly. The pimp my desktop crowd draws attention to the flexibility of the linux desktop environment, thus attracting more people and enticing them to give linux a try. out of every ten who try, say two stick with it and actually start using it... how is that harmful to the community? we want to grow, right? If we don't, we should really tell the ubuntu ppl to stop shipping all those free cds...
[12:30] <nikkia> Computer__Guru: because the mishmash of looks and feels puts off the majority of 'plain ordinary people'
[12:31] <Computer__Guru> huh?!?
[12:31] <Computer__Guru> that made zero sense
[12:31] <Computer__Guru> i have no problem with a simple desktop.. hell, IMO, I *have* a simple desktop...
[12:31] <seth_k> nikkia: there are plenty of obscure apps in universe, all it needs is someone to sponsor and upload
[12:31] <Computer__Guru> took less than an hour to setup
[12:32] <nikkia> seth, astro-imaging is really really obscure tho :)
[12:32] <Computer__Guru> okay, i really am gonna go play with my kids now
[12:32] <nikkia> seth, there are probably less than 100 people worldwide using debian that would use it, finding someone to maintain it would be hard enough
[12:32] <seth_k> hehe, this is true
[12:33] <nikkia> (and for the record, i preferred gccd :)
[12:33] <seth_k> bobbyd_: which one are you interested in on that server?
[12:33] <Computer__Guru> I should put up a site and dedicate it to k/ubuntu ppl who feel the need to 'pimp their desktops'
[12:33] <Computer__Guru> you'd really hate my bootsplash :D
[12:33] <nikkia> Computer__Guru: bootsplashs don't annoy me much, i'm not trying to *use* the machine at that point
[12:34] <Computer__Guru> trust me if you sat down at this box, you would find it VERY usable
[12:34] <bobbyd_> seth_k, hugin, the panoramic photo stitcher
[12:34] <seth_k> nikkia: that doesn't sound too obscure
[12:34] <nikkia> seth, it probably depends on those libs, tho
[12:35] <nikkia> which are 'astro-imaging' dedicated libs from what i can see
[12:35] <Computer__Guru> so apt-get build-dep hugin && apt-get install hugin 
[12:35] <Computer__Guru> ;)
[12:35] <bobbyd_> can anyone suggest a panaromic stiching app which I will be able to get :)
[12:35] <seth_k> nope, no build-deps
[12:35] <seth_k> only debhelper
[12:35] <seth_k> bobbyd_: I would suggest compiling and using checkinstall right now. I'll look at it and see about getting it into universe for you
[12:35] <seth_k> but no promises :P
[12:36] <Computer__Guru> you could always download the sources and build a .deb yourelf
[12:36] <Computer__Guru> *shrug*
[12:36] <bobbyd_> seth_k, so I just compile from source in the normal way (download and run ./configure and make) ?
[12:37] <Computer__Guru> im out, im gonna go play with my childrens
[12:37] <bobbyd_> seth_k, I just mean, when you say compile it, you don't mean through some apt-based thing...
[12:37] <seth_k> bobbyd_: it has no scary build deps, just download the deb straight off that site and install it using sudo dpkg -i name.of.deb
[12:38] <seth_k> and see if that works
[12:38] <seth_k> before trying to compile
[12:38] <bobbyd_> ok
[12:39] <Computer__Guru> im a bastard
[12:39] <Computer__Guru> BTWfresh
[12:39] <Computer__Guru> byDaede on:07/11/2005, 0:38  I'd just like to thank nikkia@irc.freenode.net/#Kubuntu for helping me get all of this setup :D
[12:39] <seth_k> bobbyd_: http://hugin.sourceforge.net/download/ talks about a few libs, but they appear to all be present in Ubuntu's apt repositories
[12:40] <bobbyd_> o cool
[12:40] <Computer__Guru> the whole pimp my desktop crwod will be coming to her for help now :D
[12:40] <nikkia> Computer__Guru: my irc client has a working /ignore, so i don't care :P
[12:41] <Computer__Guru> hehe
[12:41] <Computer__Guru> hey we'll argue more later, it was fun
[12:41] <Computer__Guru> *poof*
[12:41] <bobbyd_> seth_k, libpano is in the ubuntu repos? synaptic doesn't show it for me
[12:42] <seth_k> bobbyd_: uh oh, only in breezy
[12:43] <seth_k> that's why it showed up for me
[12:44] <bobbyd_> ok
[12:46] <seth_k> bobbyd_: so, you can start building libs... you can pull them from breezy and hope they work... or you can wait for breezy. Backporting libs sucks
[12:47] <bobbyd_> ok
[12:47] <bobbyd_> I'll just build it all :)
[12:47] <seth_k> good luck with that
[12:47] <seth_k> this looks pretty well debianized, so I'll bet it will build in Breezy
[12:48] <seth_k> I'll see about pulling it into universe for Breezy
[12:48] <seth_k> just remember to use "checkinstall" when building your stuff
[12:48] <seth_k> so it's easy to uninstall it
[12:48] <bobbyd_> ok cool
[01:06] <spermie_> how do i set up my nvidia video card in kubuntu?
[01:06] <jeroen_> the same as ubuntu... www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:06] <crimsun> spermie_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:10] <spermie_> thanks guys for the websites =)
[01:11] <crimsun> np
[01:13] <chippie_83_> yw
[01:34] <spermie_> ermie@Spermie:~$ sudo apt-get install frozen-bubble
[01:34] <spermie_> Reading package lists... Done
[01:34] <spermie_> Building dependency tree... Done
[01:34] <spermie_> E: Couldn't find package frozen-bubble
[01:34] <spermie_> spermie@Spermie:~$
[01:35] <spermie_> need to get that game and i know ubuntu has that pacage
[01:35] <spermie_> package
[01:38] <nikkia> its in universe
[01:38] <spermie_> =?
[01:41] <spermie_> whats universe
[01:41] <spermie_> n00b sorr
[01:41] <nikkia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackages?highlight=%28universe%29
[01:43] <spermie_> thankl ya
[01:49] <spermie_> how do i run synaptic on kubuntu as a root user?
[01:49] <spermie_> sorry for alll the questions
[01:49] <insanekane> sudo synaptic
[01:50] <spermie_> sudo is going to take some geting use too =(
[01:53] <nikkia> its a far better solution once you're used to it, in some ways
[01:54] <nikkia> sudo -e for example
[01:56] <nikkia> if you use emacs, and use emacsclient to start new sessions, you cannot do that with su, because emacsclient uses your EUID to form the location of the unix socket that talks to emacs, sudo -e uses your EDITOR variable to determine what to edit with, BUT, it runs the editor process as you, not as root, wrapping the editor call with a cp to /tmp and a cp back from /tmp
[01:56] <nikkia> (because of this, sudo -e is also a little safer, since it mimics the safety from deadlocks that makes things like vipw and so on required
[01:58] <closure> word to your mother
[01:58] <closure> anybody know where i can find bitchx scripts?
[02:21] <penguinboy> Hey geeks, nerds, and Linux gurus
[02:21] <crimsun> hi tennessee person
[02:22] <penguinboy> Kentucky....I know the ip says tenn but I believe Tennessee and Kentucky are combined in the charter world
[02:22] <crimsun> hi IP-Tennessee person :p
[02:22] <penguinboy> lol
[02:25] <spermie_> hey
[02:25] <spermie_> anyone around>
[02:26] <crimsun> negative
[02:26] <spermie_> coast is clear
[02:27] <penguinboy> me
[02:27] <Computer__Guru> hey spermie whats up
[02:29] <Computer__Guru> somebody mail me a half-height 8x agp geforce4 video card :)
[02:29] <Computer__Guru> thats all this dell will take
[02:29] <Computer__Guru> is half height
[02:30] <Computer__Guru> and it currently has a 4xAGP 16MB ATI Rage Pro Ultra 128
[02:30] <Computer__Guru> which sucks ass
[02:41] <newbie> guy's can kopete join chan when i chose the ym protokol ??
[02:42] <newbie> any live ?
[02:43] <Computer__Guru> i think it should be able to
[02:43] <Computer__Guru> i dunno anything about kopete tho, i use gaim
[02:43] <newbie> how ?
[02:44] <newbie> oh
[02:44] <newbie> so i must to get gaim ?
[02:44] <Computer__Guru> or
[02:44] <Computer__Guru> you could just get a yahoo chat client like zinc
[02:44] <Computer__Guru> or curphoo
[02:44] <Computer__Guru> or gyach
[02:44] <Computer__Guru> etc
[02:44] <newbie> umm
[02:44] <newbie> what the ui like yahoo 
[02:45] <Computer__Guru> none of the ui's are like yahoo
[02:45] <Computer__Guru> you could also
[02:45] <Computer__Guru> just point your browser to http://chat.yahoo.com
[02:45] <newbie> zinc curphoo or gyach and it on apt-get ??
[02:45] <Computer__Guru> and use java
[02:45] <Computer__Guru> i dunno if they're in universe or not
[02:45] <newbie> it's for my user who they are very newbie on linux
[02:46] <Computer__Guru> I would use Gaim then
[02:46] <newbie> they familiar with win98
[02:46] <Computer__Guru> it's a pretty simple interface
[02:46] <Computer__Guru> there's just no room list
[02:46] <Computer__Guru> if you want to join a room, you have to know what its called
[02:46] <newbie> ic i have it
[02:46] <newbie> gaim can't view web cam ?
[02:47] <Computer__Guru> no
[02:47] <Computer__Guru> java can, though
[02:47] <Computer__Guru> as far as i know
[02:47] <Computer__Guru> and i think gyach-enhanced can too
[02:47] <Computer__Guru> but im not sure
[02:47] <Computer__Guru> gaim-vv can view webcams and do voice
[02:48] <Computer__Guru> but is still very experimental, and i dont know if it does them in yahoo, but it does them in msn
[02:50] <newbie> why they not develop like ym ui
[02:50] <newbie> and the command like ym too
[02:50] <newbie> !_!
[02:50] <newbie> ohh
[02:56] <supernix> what is the difference between the universe packages and the regular packages ?
[03:46] <SudoPus> I have a problem in KDE with the network configuration module not letting me edit the settings on my network card..can someone advise syntax to take card down with ifconfig and then bring it back up specifying the ip/subnet/gateway?
[03:46] <SudoPus> I know sudo ifconfig eth0 down
[03:57] <kalenedrael> yeah
[03:57] <kalenedrael> then sudo ifconfig eth0 <ip address> netmask <subnet>
[03:57] <kalenedrael> then sudo route add default gw <gateway>
[03:58] <SudoPus> kalendrael: Thank you very much
[04:08] <supernix> Hi everyone
[04:11] <Sudo_Pus> kalenedrael: I said thanks very much..then noticed you had just popped back in...I am now Konversation chatting! kewl
[04:12] <kalenedrael> heh
[04:12] <kalenedrael> cool
[04:13] <Sudo_Pus> Ok now can someone help me get sound up and working in KDE? I have a Mac...I checked the volume and settings in mixer..still don't hear anything
[04:14] <Sudo_Pus> kalenedrael: What file does ifconfig write out to? To hold the nic config?
[04:15] <kalenedrael> i don't think it writes to any file
[04:16] <kalenedrael> but the settings for ifup are stored in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:17] <kalenedrael> when it says "Configuring network interfaces...." on boot, it's executing a script that reads /etc/network/interfaces
[04:17] <Sudo_Pus> kalendrael: Ahhh..thanks..I couldn't remember....I now have sound after running alsamixer from the command line :-P
[04:17] <kalenedrael> cool
[04:18] <Sudo_Pus> Now to tackle why the time is off...I set it to US Central..hmmmm
[04:20] <spermie_411> how do I install a program other then apt-get ?
[04:21] <kubuntu-live> do you mean "using another program besides apt-get"?
[04:21] <kubuntu-live> you can use Kynaptic, aptitude, or dselect
[04:21] <kubuntu-live> or Synaptic if you want to install ubuntu-desktop
[04:21] <Sudo_Pus> Will synaptic run under Kubuntu?
[04:22] <Sudo_Pus> Sorry...you just answered :-)
[04:22] <kubuntu-live> yes, it will run under KDE
[04:22] <kubuntu-live> granted, when you install it, it will drag in all the dependencies
[04:33] <Computer__Guru> well, i fixed my problem with gaim crashing
[04:34] <Computer__Guru> i told gtk to stop using my kde themes, and installed an osx theme in gnome..
[04:35] <Computer__Guru> it's not quite as pretty, but it'll do
[04:35] <spermie_411> well just like if i downloaded something off a website and it wasnt in the ubuntu packages
[04:35] <spermie_411> Sudo_Pus yes
[04:36] <Computer__Guru> heya dev whats up
[04:41] <baron_iv> hey guys does ANYONE have a FULL, WORKING copy of the PPC DVD version of Kubuntu?  My torrents have all stopped at 72.1% (this is my THIRD time trying it).
[04:42] <Computer__Guru> yeah someone needs to reseed
[04:42] <Computer__Guru> i sure don, bro, sorry
[04:42] <Computer__Guru> dont, even
[04:42] <Computer__Guru> has anybody requested a reseed on the wiki?
[04:42] <baron_iv> I've googled for it, found a couple dozen torrents, and tried EVERY ONE.  nobody has it.
[04:43] <Computer__Guru> and remember once you get it all after someone reseeds it, SEED IT FOR A WHILE
[04:43] <baron_iv> yeah, there have been reseed requests in the forums too.
[04:43] <Computer__Guru> that's why torrents die.. 300 ppl int he swarm and nobody stays afterwards to seed
[04:43] <baron_iv> I always seed, I know that's the only way the network can stay alive.
[04:43] <Computer__Guru> yup
[04:43] <baron_iv> it kinda sucks that not even ONE person could keep it up.
[04:44] <baron_iv> it's been sitting there for over 2 days at 72.1%.
[04:44] <Computer__Guru> like right now im downloading hitchhikers guide to the galaxy
[04:44] <Computer__Guru> there's half as many seeds as there are peers :)
[04:44] <baron_iv> hehe, pirate.
[04:44] <Computer__Guru> that's a good bunch
[04:44] <Computer__Guru> hell yeah
[04:44] <Computer__Guru> when it comes to movies, im all about it
[04:44] <baron_iv> normally the newer movies go really fast for the first day or two.
[04:44] <Computer__Guru> but when it comes to software, well
[04:44] <baron_iv> yeah, same here.  I watch a lot of movies.
[04:44] <Computer__Guru> cat /proc/version:
[04:44] <Computer__Guru> Linux version 2.6.10-5-386 (buildd@terranova) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)) #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005
[04:45] <Computer__Guru> pretty sure all those g's stand for gnu :D
[04:46] <baron_iv> I am a mac guy, but I love kubuntu (and pclinuxos...but that's another story...and a story that doesn't work on ppc).
[04:47] <nate__> hey, how do you unzip all the files in a directory?
[04:48] <kalenedrael> nate
[04:48] <kalenedrael> nate__, still there?
[04:49] <kalenedrael> for n in *.zip; do unzip $n; done
[04:49] <nate__> yeah
[04:49] <nate__> thanks
[04:49] <nate__> danke
[04:49] <nate__> :)
[04:57] <aseigo> as long as non of $n has spaces in it =)
[04:57] <aseigo> for n in *zip; do unzip "$n"; done;
[04:57] <aseigo> you can also, of course, use find =)
[05:01] <SudoPus> who here is running PPC?
[05:01] <kubuntu-live> nalioth in #ubuntu is
[05:01] <SudoPus> Thanks
[05:06] <SudoPus> kubuntu-live: Well he is ZzZ...there are two choices for the smp kernel... one is "linux-image-2.6.10-5<blah>" the other is just linux-image-powerpc-smp any suggestions?
[05:19] <robhert> hi
[05:19] <robhert> need help
[05:19] <robhert> how can i install firefox in kubuntu?
[05:20] <kalenedrael> apt-get install firefox
[05:20] <kalenedrael> er
[05:20] <kalenedrael> apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[05:20] <kalenedrael> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[05:20] <robhert> mm.. sorry im newbe.. where should i put this "apt-get install firefox"
[05:21] <kalenedrael> in the command line
[05:21] <kalenedrael> open up a terminal, and type "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[05:21] <kalenedrael> it should ask you for your password
[05:21] <kalenedrael> gah, sorry
[05:21] <robhert> konsole?
[05:21] <kalenedrael> "sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox"
[05:21] <kalenedrael> yes, konsole
[05:21] <kalenedrael> whatever terminal you have
[05:22] <robhert> where is it downloading from?
[05:23] <kalenedrael> archive.ubuntu.com, or whatever mirror is in your country
[05:23] <kalenedrael> like us.archive.ubuntu.com, or gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[05:23] <robhert> thank u very much!
[05:23] <robhert> ;)
[05:24] <kalenedrael> yep
[05:24] <robhert> kalenedrael: one more question..
[05:25] <robhert> how can i see partitions from windows?
[05:26] <kalenedrael> they should be /dev/hda*
[05:26] <kalenedrael> like /dev/hda1 or /dev/hda2...
[05:27] <robhert> emm. where this go :)
[05:29] <kalenedrael> ok, hard disks and partitions in linux show up as files in the /dev folder
[05:29] <kalenedrael> /dev/hda is the master hard drive of the first IDE bus, which is where windows usually is
[05:29] <kalenedrael> /dev/hda1 is the first partition on that drive, /dev/hda2 the second, /dev/hda3 the third, etc
[05:30] <kalenedrael> you got your computer with windows on it, right?
[05:30] <kalenedrael> it should be on /dev/hda1
[05:31] <robhert> ok... but i should be in root user right?
[05:31] <kalenedrael> well, to access a partition you have to mount it first
[05:31] <SudoPus> I am getting a warning from K3B stating cdrdao is not installed...install it...but Kynaptic doesn't find it?
[05:31] <kalenedrael> make a folder called /media/windows or something
[05:32] <kalenedrael> SudoPus, apt-cache search cdrdao
[05:32] <kalenedrael> it may be called "cdrdao3" or "libcdrdao" or such
[05:32] <SudoPus> robhert: First off Ubuntu uses sudo....unless you have set it up to use a "root" user it won't have one.
[05:32] <kalenedrael> yes
[05:32] <SudoPus> kalenedrael: Again to my rescue...many thanks...
[05:32] <kalenedrael> np
[05:33] <SudoPus> kalenedrael:Hmmm..all it comes up with is K3b and K3blibs?
[05:34] <kalenedrael> then install k3blibs, i guess
[05:34] <kalenedrael> actually
[05:34] <kalenedrael> edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:34] <robhert> ok. how can i mount ;)
[05:35] <kalenedrael> robhert, do you know what filesystem the windows partition is, and what partition it's on?
[05:35] <robhert> fat32
[05:35] <kalenedrael> ok
[05:35] <kalenedrael> sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /media/windows
[05:36] <SudoPus> kalenedrael: Well it isn't letting me do the k3blibs using apt-get...kinda confusing..what about a current tracker list for the apt sources list?
[05:36] <robhert> C <-win98, D<- winXP
[05:36] <kalenedrael> hmm, well
[05:36] <kalenedrael> robhert, try that command i just typed
[05:36] <kalenedrael> SudoPus, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment 'those two lines'
[05:36] <robhert> sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /media/windows
[05:36] <SudoPus> Ahh..sorry...getting late here...
[05:38] <SudoPus> gotta love vi!
[05:39] <robhert> mount: doesn't exist /media/windows doesn't exist
[05:39] <kalenedrael> mkdir /media/windows
[05:39] <kalenedrael> then try it again
[05:40] <robhert> denied permision
[05:40] <rabbit> Is there a package list some where on the net?
[05:40] <rabbit> for kubuntu/ubuntu?
[05:40] <kalenedrael> sudo mkdir /media/windows
[05:40] <kalenedrael> if you get denied permission, sudo should solve it :P
[05:41] <SudoPus> kalenedrael: Does rythmbox have special requirements to work like with Warty?
[05:41] <crimsun> SudoPus: not really. You might find the mp3 support package useful.
[05:41] <Computer__Guru> wtf is rythmbox?
[05:41] <Computer__Guru> whatis rythmbox:
[05:41] <Computer__Guru> rythmbox: nothing appropriate.
[05:41] <Computer__Guru> apparently it's not installed, whatever it is
[05:42] <crimsun> it's a GNOME package
[05:42] <crimsun> part of ubuntu-desktop
[05:42] <robhert> yes yes
[05:42] <robhert> ;)
[05:42] <robhert> it works!
[05:42] <kalenedrael> SudoPus, dunno
[05:42] <Computer__Guru> i have ubuntu-desktop, why do i not have rythmbox?
[05:42] <kalenedrael> robhert, cool
[05:42] <robhert> y sudo make that it works?
[05:42] <kalenedrael> sudo = superuser do
[05:42] <Computer__Guru> robhert: sudo allows you to execute individual commands as the superuser
[05:43] <kalenedrael> sudo basically lets you do things as the administrator
[05:43] <Computer__Guru> robhert: try this: sudo su -i
[05:43] <SudoPus> Night all..thanks for the help...oh yeah...anyone know about flash browser support for PPC Kubuntu?
[05:43] <Computer__Guru> hehe
[05:43] <crimsun> Computer__Guru: apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop|grep rhythmbox
[05:43] <SudoPus> kalenedrael: Huh? dunno what?
[05:43] <Computer__Guru> apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop|grep rhythmbox:
[05:43] <Computer__Guru>   Depends: rhythmbox
[05:44] <Computer__Guru> oh i spelled it wrong
[05:44] <Computer__Guru> dUrp dUrp
[05:44] <Computer__Guru> whatis rhythmbox:
[05:44] <Computer__Guru> rhythmbox (1)        - music player and organizer for GNOME
[05:44] <Computer__Guru> got it
[05:44] <kalenedrael> sudopus, i don't know about rhythmbox
[05:44] <SudoPus> Ahhh.
[05:44] <SudoPus> L8R everyone
[05:45] <Computer__Guru> how does it stack up to xmms?
[05:46] <crimsun> I like XMMS more, but that's my taste. YMMV.
[05:46] <kalenedrael> i don't use many media players
[05:46] <kalenedrael> i use mplayer
[05:46] <kalenedrael> rarely
[05:46] <crimsun> right now I'm using Amarok in Xfce on Kubuntu live
[05:46] <kalenedrael> it's serviceable
[05:53] <robhert> kalenedrael: (help!)
[05:53] <kalenedrael> yeah?
[05:53] <robhert> how can i install firefox from tar.gz
[05:54] <robhert> firefox-1.0.4.installer.tar.gz
[06:00] <robhert> kalenedrael: r u there?
[06:03] <kalenedrael> yeah
[06:04] <robhert> how can i install firefox-1.0.4.installer.tar.gz?
[06:06] <kalenedrael> umm
[06:06] <kalenedrael> why do you need it?
[06:06] <kalenedrael> apt should have it
[06:06] <kalenedrael> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[06:06] <robhert> mm.. i have installed from this script
[06:07] <kalenedrael> oh
[06:07] <robhert> but it download firefox 1.0.2
[06:07] <kalenedrael> if you want the tar.gz then go to the mozilla website
[06:07] <robhert> i have it ;)
[06:07] <robhert> but i dont know how to install it ;)
[06:07] <kalenedrael> oh
[06:08] <kalenedrael> tar -xvzf <tar.gz file>
[06:08] <robhert> no matter where the file is right?
[06:09] <kalenedrael> no, you need to change to the directory where the file is
[06:11] <kalenedrael> brb
[06:16] <robhert> kalenedrael:  are you there?
[06:20] <TheDingo> i'm having a problem installing firefox here
[06:21] <robhert> hi TheDingo 
[06:21] <robhert> i've just installed firefox ;)
[06:21] <TheDingo> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libb/libbonoboui/libbonoboui2-0_2.8.1-1ubuntu1_powerpc.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[06:22] <seth_k> TheDingo: run: sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:22] <robhert> i' have download it from firefox.com
[06:22] <seth_k> TheDingo: then remove all "us." leaving "http://archive.ubuntu.com..."
[06:22] <TheDingo> k
[06:22] <baron_iv> .....must.....have....ppc.....dvd......
[06:23] <seth_k> TheDingo: US archive is having issues, this will switch you to the main archive and no more problems :)
[06:23] <baron_iv> it's really a pain in the arse doing a kubuntu install from ubuntu on ppc.
[06:23] <robhert> where is FIREFOX launch?
[06:23] <TheDingo> i had a hard tme with the bootloader
[06:23] <baron_iv> if anybody has a copy of the kubuntu ppc dvd, PLEASE contact me.
[06:24] <baron_iv> I'll be willing to share once I finish it.  I'll continue the torrent (that someone has so nicely never bothered to finish)
[06:24] <TheDingo> the boot partition was only 1mb (automatic partition) i changed it to 32mb and it finally installed
[06:25] <baron_iv> you x86 and x86_64 guys don't realize how easy you have it.  Try installing ubuntu on a ppc machine!  If you think grub or lilo is tough...try YABOOT!  hehe
[06:25] <TheDingo> indeed
[06:25] <baron_iv> I can get ubuntu up and running on my x86 in under 30 minutes (with everything I need to get it to work as a full web/ftp/squid/etc server).  On the PPC, that's an additional 1-1.5 hours.  hehe
[06:26] <seth_k> word
[06:29] <robhert> help pls. i just have installed firefox, i closed it and now i dont know how to launch it :(
[06:30] <seth_k> robhert: you shouldn't have downloaded it from firefox.com
[06:30] <seth_k> robhert: 1) it is installed by default 2) you can update and install it through apt
[06:31] <robhert> mm. i've installed it from apt and it have installed firefox 1.0.2
[06:31] <seth_k> that's correct
[06:31] <seth_k> it is Firefox 1.0.2 plus backported security fixes
[06:31] <seth_k> ?? firefox
[06:31] <kinfo> [firefox]  If you cannot install themes or extensions, go to about:config in Firefox and search for "vendorsub". Change the number to "1.0.4" and restart Firefox
[06:31] <robhert> but there's new version  1.0.4
[06:31] <seth_k> listen to kinfo
[06:32] <seth_k> 1.0.4 only contains security fixes
[06:32] <seth_k> and they have been backported to Ubuntu's 1.0.2
[06:32] <seth_k> in Debian and its children, the version numbers of applications do not change after a release
[06:32] <seth_k> for stability purposes
[06:32] <seth_k> instead, security fixes are backported into programs
[06:32] <pax> what's with KDE startup, .kde/Autostart doesnt seem to work
[06:32] <seth_k> so firefox's version number is actually like 1.0.2-5ubuntu4 or something
[06:33] <robhert> :( but my firefox installation was 1.0.4 and in spanish 
[06:33] <robhert> and which i've download from apt is 1.0.2 but in english
[06:33] <seth_k> robhert: I'm trying to explain, the version number difference means nothing. You have all the fixes of 1.0.4
[06:33] <seth_k> as for the spanish,
[06:34] <robhert> ok. thats right. but how can i put firefox from english into spanish?
[06:34] <seth_k> you should install mozilla-firefox-locale-es-es from apt
[06:35] <robhert> ;)
[06:35] <robhert> i'll try it
[06:35] <pax> anyone knows where startup apps should be, ~.kde/Autostart doesn't seem to work
[06:36] <seth_k> pax: that's what I use
[06:36] <pax> weird
[06:36] <seth_k> so in the end, robhert, you will have a fully up-to-date firefox, in spanish, all through apt :)
[06:36] <robhert> seth_k:  can't find locale package
[06:36] <seth_k> pax: what are you putting in there? a link, or a shell script
[06:36] <Computer__Guru> that's where they go
[06:36] <pax> seth_k: command
[06:37] <Computer__Guru> what do you mean command?
[06:37] <pax> seth_k: sudo firestart 
[06:37] <robhert> mozilla-firefox-es-es
[06:37] <robhert> mozilla-firefox-es-es
[06:37] <pax> seth_k: sudo firestarter*
[06:37] <seth_k> no robhert 
[06:37] <seth_k> mozilla-firefox-locale-es-es
[06:37] <seth_k> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/web/mozilla-firefox-locale-es-es
[06:38] <robhert> :)
[06:38] <robhert> sorry. my bad
[06:39] <pax> '#'\!'/bin/sh\nsudo firestarter --start-hidden'  then chmod a+x the file, that's what I do
[06:39] <Computer__Guru> #!/bin/sh
[06:39] <Computer__Guru> sudo firestarter --start-hidden
[06:39] <Computer__Guru> yeah that should do it
[06:39] <pax> yes
[06:39] <seth_k> yeah, Computer__Guru has it right. or did your irc client just escape it funny
[06:40] <robhert> last one (ok? ;) )-... what about my firefox1.0.4 that i've installed?.. how can i delete it...?
[06:40] <pax> that's what I have 
[06:41] <Computer__Guru> then it should work
[06:41] <pax> hmm
[06:41] <Computer__Guru> do this
[06:41] <Computer__Guru> start firestarter
[06:41] <Computer__Guru> hide it
[06:41] <seth_k> robhert: first answer is, just don't worry about it. it's only a few MB and won't harm your system
[06:41] <Computer__Guru> save session
[06:41] <Computer__Guru> :D
[06:42] <seth_k> robhert: second answer is, it probably installed to your home folder somewhere, look in there for it and delete the folder
[06:42] <Computer__Guru> if ya cant beat em...
[06:42] <Computer__Guru> ...cheat
[06:42] <pax> Computer__Guru: wanna fix it the right way. no need for me to be asked by kdesu to enter pass every time I login
[06:42] <pax> that's retarted 
[06:42] <Computer__Guru> true
[06:43] <robhert> oki ;)
[06:45] <seth_k> oh duh
[06:45] <seth_k> of course it isn't working
[06:45] <seth_k> you can't make KDE run a script with sudo in it
[06:45] <Computer__Guru> well that';s fucked
[06:45] <seth_k> somewhere in the nether, a little terminal is unhappily blinking, asking, asking, asking for your password
[06:45] <Computer__Guru> i guess you're gonna have to setuid firestarter
[06:46] <pax> seth_k: I have auth for firestarter in sudoers
[06:46] <Computer__Guru> there's a way to change sudo's behavior so it never asks for a password
[06:46] <Computer__Guru> still have to enter your pasword
[06:46] <seth_k> oy, that sounds smart :D
[06:46] <pax> username ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/firestarter
[06:47] <Computer__Guru> chmod a+S /usr/sbin/firestarter
[06:47] <Computer__Guru> *shrug*
[06:48] <Computer__Guru> then just run firestarter as a user
[06:48] <pax> huh? why chmod it?
[06:49] <Computer__Guru> will allow anyone to run it
[06:49] <Computer__Guru> but
[06:49] <pax> there's no such thing as a+S
[06:49] <Computer__Guru> when they run it, they setuid root for that process
[06:49] <Computer__Guru> yes, there is
[06:49] <pax> try it
[06:49] <pax> chmod: invalid mode string: `a+S'
[06:50] <Computer__Guru> it's s
[06:50] <Computer__Guru> my bad
[06:51] <robhert> ok, gtg thanx seth_k ;)
[06:51] <robhert> bye
[06:51] <Computer__Guru> chmod a+s /usr/sbin/firestarter
[06:51] <seth_k> bye robhert 
[06:52] <pax> Computer__Guru: hmm if you have it is sudoers list, why in god's name you would want to chmod it and why would you give everyone on the system access to a firewall?
[06:52] <Computer__Guru> okay, then
[06:52] <Computer__Guru> chgrp pax /usr/sbin/firestarter
[06:52] <Computer__Guru> then
[06:52] <pax> makes sense
[06:52] <Computer__Guru> chmod g+s /usr/sbin/firestarter
[06:53] <Computer__Guru> dont be difficult, boy :>
[06:53] <Computer__Guru> u know ur way around
[06:56] <pax> (firestarter:15929): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid.
[06:56] <pax> This is not a supported use of GTK+. You must create a helper
[06:56] <pax> program instead. For further details, see:
[06:57] <pax> I just fucked things up with your suggestion LOL
[06:57] <pax> god!
[06:58] <Computer__Guru> so chmod g-s /usr/sbin/firestarter
[06:58] <Computer__Guru> it's not the end of the world
[06:59] <Computer__Guru> kdesu should give you the option to save the password..
[06:59] <pax> what about the group? how to undo that
[07:00] <Computer__Guru> then change sudo /usr/sbin/firestarter to kdesu /usr/sbin/firestarter
[07:00] <Computer__Guru> chgrp root /usr/sbin/firestarter
[07:00] <pax> I tried that Computer__Guru 
[07:00] <pax> tried to run with kdesu
[07:01] <Computer__Guru> i dunno what to tell you then.. wish i could be more help
[07:01] <Computer__Guru> why the fuck cant gtk start an app setuid?!?
[07:01] <Computer__Guru> that's gay
[07:02] <Computer__Guru> i mean thats really stupid
[07:03] <Computer__Guru> if you setuid an app, its for a reason
[07:03] <Computer__Guru> gtk shouldnt have shit to say about it
[07:04] <Computer__Guru> is there a kde interface to firestarter?
[07:04] <pax> nop
[07:04] <Computer__Guru> or a cli interface?
[07:04] <Computer__Guru> or does it REQUIRE gtk?
[07:04] <crimsun> there was a big stink about gtk actually allowing suid
[07:04] <pax> gtk
[07:04] <Computer__Guru> that's retarded
[07:04] <crimsun> it's a PITA, I agree, but it's the right thing to do
[07:04] <Computer__Guru> it's a firewall, right?
[07:05] <Computer__Guru> here's my suggestion
[07:05] <pax> yes frontend for iptables
[07:05] <Computer__Guru> dump firestarter and use a firewall that you can run from init.d
[07:05] <Computer__Guru> oh
[07:05] <Computer__Guru> well then
[07:05] <Computer__Guru> there are kde frontends to iptables
[07:05] <pax> you do start/stop it from init.d
[07:06] <pax> i use for ipmask..
[07:06] <Computer__Guru> *shrug*
[07:06] <Computer__Guru> crimsun: why is it the right thing to do? that makes about no sense
[07:07] <Computer__Guru> gtk should have no say whatsoever in how you run your apps, all gtk should do is draw windows
[07:07] <crimsun> which is precisely the reason it should have no permission to execute suid
[07:08] <Computer__Guru> when i sux, and run an app, gtk sure as hell draws it
[07:08] <Computer__Guru> whats the difference?
[07:08] <crimsun> I have no idea what sux is
[07:08] <Computer__Guru> sux is su with Xauthority
[07:08] <Computer__Guru> whatis sux:
[07:08] <Computer__Guru> sux (1)              - wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials
[07:09] <crimsun> sux doesn't use gtk
[07:09] <Computer__Guru> if i sux
[07:09] <Computer__Guru> i become root with Xauthority
[07:09] <Computer__Guru> then I run a gtk app
[07:09] <Computer__Guru> gtk draws it
[07:10] <Computer__Guru> what's the difference?
[07:10] <crimsun> that's the right way to do it
[07:10] <Computer__Guru> if i set an app setuid, i did it for a reason
[07:10] <crimsun> separate the authentication from the rest of the application logic
[07:10] <Computer__Guru> that's ridiculous
[07:10] <Computer__Guru> imo
[07:11] <crimsun> it may be a PITA, which I agree it is, but it's the smart thing to do from an abstraction perspective
[07:11] <Computer__Guru> so what's the workaround for pax?
[07:11] <Computer__Guru> how can he load firestarter when he starts kde
[07:11] <Computer__Guru> without having to enter his password every time?
[07:11] <crimsun> I haven't been following his thread
[07:12] <Computer__Guru> i just gave it to you in a nutshell
[07:12] <Computer__Guru> he wants firestarter to load every time he starts kde without having to enter his password
[07:13] <Computer__Guru> be nice if kdesu had a --password= option
[07:13] <pax> ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/firestarter  in sudoers
[07:13] <pax> echo -e '#'\!'/bin/sh\nsudo firestarter --start-hidden' > ~/.kde/Autostart/firestarter
[07:13] <pax> chmod a+x ~/.kde/Autostart/firestarter
[07:13] <crimsun> well, he has all that gnome infrastructure already, so he could rig up gksudo
[07:13] <pax> should work, no?
[07:13] <crimsun> something along those lines, yes
[07:14] <Computer__Guru> isnt that what you already have done, pax?
[07:14] <pax> then this is KDE bug?
[07:14] <pax> yes Computer__Guru 
[07:14] <douglas> Does kwifi work yet?
[07:14] <crimsun> I'd limit the scope of those allowed to execute firestarter, though
[07:14] <Computer__Guru> try using gksudo
[07:14] <crimsun> ALL= is too inclusive
[07:14] <Computer__Guru> yeah i'd change that to pax=NOPASSWORD: /usr/sbin/firestarter
[07:15] <pax> alrigh pax ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/firestarter
[07:15] <Computer__Guru> no
[07:15] <Computer__Guru> get rid of all
[07:15] <pax> k
[07:18] <pax> FUCK!
[07:18] <pax> that was wrong
[07:18] <Computer__Guru> yeah sudoers is a bitch
[07:19] <pax> I locked my self again, that's not the right syntax
[07:19] <pax> should be pax ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/firestarter
[07:19] <pax> like I said
[07:19] <pax> god damn it I gotta reboot now
[07:19] <pax> and then edit sudoers again
[07:20] <Computer__Guru> you dont have to reboot, just su - and fix it
[07:20] <pax> you can't
[07:20] <Computer__Guru> oh thats right
[07:20] <Computer__Guru> some brain surgeon at ubuntu thought it would be a good idea to disable the root account
[07:21] <pax> if you mess up sudoers you mess the box, you are fucked until you regain access to the system without root pass
[07:22] <pax> Gotta start the kernel with rw initi=/bin/bash
[07:23] <pax> whatta mess
[07:23] <Computer__Guru> blah its not that bad
[07:23] <Computer__Guru> bet ya wish ya had that root account right about now, huh
[07:24] <pax> even if you have root account, you cant do shit, dont you get it?
[07:24] <Computer__Guru> yes you can
[07:24] <Computer__Guru> if you have root account
[07:24] <Computer__Guru> you can
[07:24] <pax> where you live, gimme your address I'm coming lol
[07:24] <Computer__Guru> su -
[07:24] <Computer__Guru> and enter the root password
[07:24] <Computer__Guru> and drop to the root shell
[07:24] <pax> do me a favor, try it
[07:24] <Computer__Guru> 2542 W. Broad Street, COlumbus, Oh, 43223
[07:25] <Computer__Guru> Date: Mon Jul 11 Time: 01:25:03
[07:25] <Computer__Guru> {jay@psilocybin (~)}$: su -
[07:25] <Computer__Guru> Password:
[07:25] <Computer__Guru> Date: Mon Jul 11 Time: 01:25:08
[07:25] <Computer__Guru> {root@psilocybin (~)#:
[07:25] <Computer__Guru> any questions?
[07:25] <pax> nah try messing up some sudoers line and then su -
[07:25] <Computer__Guru> trust me, if your root account is enabled, it works
[07:25] <pax> no it wont
[07:25] <Computer__Guru> su is 100% unaware of the existance of /etc/sudoers
[07:26] <Computer__Guru> wanna put some money on that? :D
[07:26] <pax> sudoers HAS root
[07:26] <pax> yes
[07:26] <Computer__Guru> anybody wanna witness this bet?
[07:26] <bbailey> Yeah sure.
[07:26] <pax> does your sudoers list have root or not?
[07:27] <Computer__Guru> restart your computer with init=/bin/bash and type "passwd" and set a root password, then reboot - WITHOUT touching your sudoers file
[07:27] <Computer__Guru> then login and type su -\
[07:27] <Computer__Guru> err su -
[07:27] <Computer__Guru> fifty bux says it works
[07:27] <Computer__Guru> or a hundred
[07:27] <pax> why would I do all that?
[07:27] <Computer__Guru> or whatever you have to spare
[07:27] <pax> did someone told you I'm a retard?
[07:28] <pax> I dont want root account on this box
[07:28] <Computer__Guru> im just proving it to you
[07:28] <Computer__Guru> you can always lock it
[07:28] <Computer__Guru> tell ya what
[07:28] <Computer__Guru> I'll REMOVE my sudoers file
[07:28] <pax> why dont you insert the line you suggest to me into your sudoers list?
[07:28] <Computer__Guru> Date: Mon Jul 11 Time: 01:25:08
[07:28] <Computer__Guru> {root@psilocybin (~)#: mv /etc/sudoers /etc/sudoers.old
[07:28] <Computer__Guru> Date: Mon Jul 11 Time: 01:28:42
[07:28] <Computer__Guru> {root@psilocybin (~)#:
[07:29] <Computer__Guru> Date: Mon Jul 11 Time: 01:28:42
[07:29] <Computer__Guru> {root@psilocybin (~)#: exit
[07:29] <Computer__Guru> logout
[07:29] <Computer__Guru> Date: Mon Jul 11 Time: 01:28:52
[07:29] <Computer__Guru> {jay@psilocybin (~)}$: su -
[07:29] <Computer__Guru> Password:
[07:29] <Computer__Guru> Date: Mon Jul 11 Time: 01:28:57
[07:29] <Computer__Guru> {root@psilocybin (~)#:
[07:29] <Computer__Guru> pay me
[07:29] <Computer__Guru> i rooted boxen for four or five years, dont challenge me on matters of su bwahaha
[07:29] <pax> you F'ed up my box and want me to pay you? lol
[07:30] <Computer__Guru> go fix your sudoers file :)
[07:30] <Monchy> lol
[07:30] <Computer__Guru> and never doubt the powers of actually HAVING a root account
[07:30] <pax> and *you* do me favor, never suggest something you are not sure about
[07:30] <pax> especialy to someone new
[07:31] <Computer__Guru> heheh, deal
[07:31] <pax> thanks :p
[07:31] <Computer__Guru> btw
[07:31] <Computer__Guru> there is an option with kdesu to remember your password
[07:31] <pax> yes I'm aware
[07:31] <Computer__Guru> so just use that
[07:32] <Computer__Guru> and instead of putting a script in Autostart
[07:32] <pax> I dont want anyone/thing to remember my passwords
[07:32] <Computer__Guru> try putting a link there
[07:32] <Computer__Guru> well then enter it every time you start firestarter
[07:32] <Computer__Guru> or recompile gtk to allow setuid root
[07:33] <Computer__Guru> if it was so controversial, i'm certaint here will be a compile option
[07:33] <Computer__Guru> in order to make the people happy who were advocating the ability
[07:33] <pax> from now on, I will not listen to anyone on irc, use any gtk apps, or use this firestarter. I will use ol' good iptables
[07:34] <Computer__Guru> hey i was only wrong about the syntax of sudoers
[07:34] <pax> And go buy me some linux books lol
[07:34] <Computer__Guru> iw as right about everything else :D
[07:34] <Computer__Guru> Jay is good, Jay is wise
[07:34] <pax> no you were not/
[07:35] <Computer__Guru> oh yeah
[07:35] <Computer__Guru> setuid is +s not +S
[07:35] <Computer__Guru> whatever
[07:35] <Computer__Guru> i had the fuckin letter right :D
[07:35] <pax> croll back, you gave a wrong sudoers syntax?
[07:35] <pax> scroll*
[07:35] <Computer__Guru> yeah i told you pax=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/firestarter
[07:35] <pax> you fucked my sudoers list and now I have to reboot to fix it
[07:35] <pax> yes
[07:35] <Computer__Guru> you wouldn't have to if you had root :D
[07:36] <pax> then it's my fault?
[07:36] <Computer__Guru> no
[07:36] <Computer__Guru> im just saying the comment to never trust anyone was a little uncalled for :)
[07:36] <pax> now I understand how americans think. no wonder Bush is still deffending his position on the war
[07:36] <Computer__Guru> all my advice was good save for the syntax error
[07:36] <Computer__Guru> bush is a fucking moron, do not group me with him
[07:36] <pax> yeah, like it's no big deal
[07:37] <pax> he's your president, he represent you wether you like it or not. pax ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/firestarter
[07:37] <Computer__Guru> really, it isnt a big deal. you're looking at 5 minutes tops to fix the problem
[07:38] <pax> yeah i will bust your balls about it too
[07:38] <Computer__Guru> but if you had a root account, you'd be looking at like 20 seconds
[07:38] <Computer__Guru> in the time you've been here bitching at me for breaking it, you could have fixed it AND enabled root
[07:39] <pax> like rebooting a box is nothing, this is Linux or windoz ohioboy
[07:39] <pax> not*
[07:39] <Computer__Guru> you seem a little bent out of shape
[07:39] <pax> I will not enable root :p
[07:39] <Computer__Guru> what mission critical apps do you have running that will end the world if you reboot your computer?
[07:39] <bbailey> Hopefully none if he does blind cut-n-pastes from irc :-D
[07:40] <Computer__Guru> if you were running a dalnet server with 3000 users on it (which I have had three of), i could see rebooting being an issue, but you're an end user learning linux.. stfu and reboot :D
[07:40] <pax> you assume too much.
[07:41] <Computer__Guru> so what mission critical apps are you running?
[07:41] <pax> Atleast I'm learning and not suggesting wrong solutions to newbies on irc :D
[07:41] <Computer__Guru> i fucked up the syntax of a file whose syntax sucks
[07:41] <pax> nothing much, just busting your balls and enjoying it
[07:41] <Computer__Guru> and it's free support, so sue me
[07:41] <othernoob> what's wrong with enabling root?
[07:41] <Computer__Guru> i know
[07:41] <Computer__Guru> im having fun too
[07:42] <Computer__Guru> othernoob: not a damned thing
[07:42] <pax> I dont know ohio state laws to sue you
[07:42] <othernoob> or better yet, why is it disabled in the first place
[07:42] <Computer__Guru> especially if you have checkroot running in cron.daily
[07:42] <Computer__Guru> othernoob: i dont know, but i enabled it
[07:42] <Computer__Guru> afaiac, a box is broken if it doesnt have a root acct
[07:43] <pax> disabled to protect newbies from themselves
[07:43] <aseigo> othernoob: one less question to ask during install, one less password to remember, safer and easier to share root across multiple account (esp when you wish to revoke said priveleges from a given account) and with sudo it's not particularly necessary
[07:43] <Computer__Guru> and ubuntu HAS a root acct, it just doesnt have a password so its not accessible
[07:43] <supernix> actually it is hard to login to an account that does not exist
[07:43] <othernoob> pax oh yea really? so how's giving them the advice to use sudo to do everything going to protect them from doing the same things?
[07:43] <bbailey> They're so protected from themselves they have to muck with /etc/sudoers and risk fscking it up. :-D
[07:43] <t2> sudo su = root doesn't it?
[07:43] <Computer__Guru> LOL@bb
[07:43] <Computer__Guru> LOLOLOL
[07:43] <aseigo> t2: yes
[07:44] <pax> sudo has 5 minutes life time / each use
[07:44] <Computer__Guru> that was funny
[07:44] <Computer__Guru> not if you sudo su -
[07:44] <Computer__Guru> then you're in a root shell for as long as you need to be :D
[07:44] <pax> bbailey: funny.
[07:44] <Computer__Guru> DAMNED funny
[07:44] <aseigo> Computer__Guru: have you ever been on a box where admin priveleges were shared?
[07:44] <t2> i was sudo su for most of the day yesterday
[07:45] <aseigo> Computer__Guru: in a REAL environment, not script kiddy irc networks?
[07:45] <Computer__Guru> aseigo: sure have. even run a few of them
[07:45] <aseigo> Computer__Guru: mhm. and so when one of the admins moves on to another job, what do you do?
[07:45] <t2> btw ... this is my 1st time ever on IRC
[07:45] <Computer__Guru> DALnet is hardly a script kiddie network, but yes. I have maintained several servers in my day, and a few of them had shared admin privs.
[07:45] <pax> Computer__Guru: shows
[07:46] <aseigo> the other major reason for this is so that you don't have to educate users to have two different passwords .. just put in YOUR password to change things (*buntu is supposed to be an end users OS)
[07:46] <pax> alright boys, let me go fix Computer__Guru's mess. brb
[07:46] <pax> peace!
[07:46] <aseigo> pax: enjoy
[07:46] <Computer__Guru> like you paid for your support
[07:46] <othernoob> aseigo so is Fedora Core, suse.....
[07:46] <aseigo> Computer__Guru: jesus, if you wish to be a dick, why bother?
[07:47] <Computer__Guru> i wasnt really being a dick
[07:47] <aseigo> othernoob: how close they get to that mark is another question =)
[07:47] <Computer__Guru> just busting his balls back
[07:47] <aseigo> Computer__Guru: no, you were being a dick. 
[07:47] <Computer__Guru> howso?
[07:47] <othernoob> aseigo, well they're fairly easy as well.
[07:47] <Computer__Guru> i gave him shit back, is all
[07:47] <aseigo> Computer__Guru: hell, i'm a dick sometimes to, but i try not to be to people who are looking for help and are new to all this
[07:48] <aseigo> Computer__Guru: i'm also the first to admit i'm a dick in those circumstances. and again, it's usually to my friends who know i'm busting their balls
[07:48] <aseigo> othernoob: esp suse. that's what i'm running on this laptop at the moment =)
[07:48] <Computer__Guru> i just dont understand how i was being a dick.. if ic ame across that way, i do apologize
[07:48] <aseigo> Computer__Guru: anyways.. the multi admin thing
[07:48] <Computer__Guru> i was being something of a smartass, but that just comes with the territory of being me
[07:48] <aseigo> Computer__Guru: in a corp env it's far, far easier to just say "this account no longer has admin privs" rather than change the root passwords everywhere
[07:48] <t2> i found suse to be much slower than kubuntu
[07:49] <aseigo> t2: hrm.. yast is slowish, yes... the rest is as fast or faster IME
[07:49] <othernoob> t2 try gentoo then :p
[07:49] <Computer__Guru> i deleted the account, changed the root passwd (which they never had int he first place), and deleted or gained ownership of anything owned by them
[07:49] <Computer__Guru> and removed them from /etc/sudoers
[07:49] <Computer__Guru> but NOBODY **EVER** had full privs
[07:49] <Computer__Guru> thats a big nono
[07:50] <t2> othernoob: I tried installing gentoo once ... gave up after a week ...
[07:50] <Computer__Guru> per-app or per-group-ownership permissions
[07:50] <aseigo> right. that's sort of the point of sudoers
[07:50] <Computer__Guru> never full access
[07:50] <othernoob> t2: why? was compiling KDE not done by that time?
[07:50] <aseigo> so there's little need for a root password at all
[07:50] <aseigo> othernoob: lol
[07:50] <Computer__Guru> yeah thats the point of sudoers, but from time to time you need to be able to access root - as pax just found out
[07:50] <t2> it would never do the 1st boot
[07:51] <Computer__Guru> i just thought it was funny when he tried to tell me that his sudoers file being fucked up would affect his ability to su - had he a root account
[07:52] <Computer__Guru> sudo is a wrapper for su, su isnt even aware of sudo's existance.. how could it possibly depend on /etc/sudoers
[07:52] <supernix> Ok guys what is all this business about universe in the packages ?
[07:53] <t2> othernoob: actually, I have been considering trying the latest gentoo ... since I have time to kill
[07:53] <othernoob> t2 it'd be a good choice indeed
[07:53] <Computer__Guru> universe is everything that isnt officially supported by ubuntu, as i understand it, and multiverse seems to be all the non-free shit, or packages of questionable license
[07:54] <Computer__Guru> i could be wrong though, but that's the conclusion ive drawn
[07:54] <t2> othernoob: I'm pretty happy with ubuntu, though
[07:54] <supernix> OIC so the universe is just unsupported programs but does that also mean they have not been fairly tested to prove they will work ?
[07:54] <othernoob> I'm okay with kubuntu. seen worse.
[07:54] <Computer__Guru> yeah ive been in ubuntu 2 days, and i gotta say i love it. i've been with apt for more than 5 years tho
[07:54] <aseigo> universe => debian
[07:55] <othernoob> how much time would making an LFS take, i wonder.
[07:55] <jpowers> is universe just a snapshot of debian?
[07:55] <t2> I've toyed with several distros ... a few just will not install on my system (Mdk and Xandros)
[07:55] <Computer__Guru> i dont think it is
[07:55] <crimsun> jpowers: in some sense, yes
[07:55] <jpowers> or does universe actually change with debian unstable and testing?
[07:56] <Computer__Guru> good question
[07:56] <supernix> so aseigo your saying that the universe programs are from the debian releasers but not the Ubuntu team ?
[07:56] <crimsun> universe is synced with Debian pool at the beginning and pre-RC periods
[07:56] <pax> you are using debian, check /etc/debian_number
[07:56] <Computer__Guru> supernix: the packages have to be sponsored into the universe, and maintained though
[07:56] <pax> I wonder what debian version is still doing on ubuntu
[07:56] <supernix> ok ty Computer__Guru 
[07:57] <Computer__Guru> cat /etc/debian_number:
[07:57] <Computer__Guru> cat: /etc/debian_number: No such file or directory
[07:57] <pax> hmm
[07:57] <crimsun> at any time, we (the MOTUs) can ask for a sync from Debian or another repository with a Sources.{gz,bz2}
[07:57] <t2> 3.1
[07:57] <pax> pax@debuntu:~$sudo cat /etc/debian_version
[07:57] <pax> Password:
[07:57] <pax> 3.1
[07:57] <Computer__Guru> sudo cat /etc/debian_version:
[07:57] <Computer__Guru> Password:
[07:57] <Computer__Guru> lol
[07:58] <Computer__Guru> that broke
[07:58] <Computer__Guru> haha
[07:58] <jpowers> crimsun: is that so if there are serious bugfixes you can resync and pull them in?
[07:58] <crimsun> jpowers: no, it's completely up to our discretion
[07:58] <pax> change your nick to guru_wannabe :p
[07:58] <Computer__Guru> the debian number is present because ubuntu IS debian-powered, regardless of who maintains it
[07:59] <pax> that's why my box's name is debuntu
[07:59] <Computer__Guru> cat /proc/version:
[07:59] <spermie_411> how's it going computer guru?
[07:59] <Computer__Guru> Linux version 2.6.10-5-386 (buildd@terranova) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)) #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005
[07:59] <crimsun> lsb_release -a is the Ubuntu way
[07:59] <Computer__Guru> (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)
[07:59] <crimsun> cat /etc/debian_version is the Debian way
[07:59] <Computer__Guru> lsb_release -a:
[07:59] <Computer__Guru> LSB Version:	n/a
[07:59] <Computer__Guru> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[07:59] <Computer__Guru> Description:	Ubuntu (The Hoary Hedgehog Release)
[07:59] <Computer__Guru> Release:	5.04
[07:59] <Computer__Guru> Codename:	hoary
[07:59] <Computer__Guru> nice
[08:00] <spermie_411> how do I get a E: Couldn't find package Zsnes it can't find installed?
[08:00] <Computer__Guru> try apt-get install zsnes
[08:01] <_shawn> hey I'm having a problem installing mplayer from source (on kubuntu) anyone willing to help?
[08:01] <Computer__Guru> or do a dpkg -l '*zsnes*'
[08:01] <crimsun> it's in multiverse
[08:01] <Computer__Guru> and find the appropriate package name that way
[08:01] <t2> Guru ... why do you run the 386 kernel?
[08:01] <crimsun> aptitude search zsnes, or apt-cache search zsnes
[08:01] <Computer__Guru> shawn: why would you install from source?
[08:01] <crimsun> then apt-cache policy zsnes
[08:01] <aseigo> _shawn: compile error?
[08:02] <_shawn> suz it seems the mplayer package doesn't support win32 codecs
[08:02] <_shawn> make error ya
[08:02] <Computer__Guru> enable universe/multiverse in your sources.list, build-dep mplayer-686 then install mplayer-686 mplayer-fonts
[08:02] <Computer__Guru> ah
[08:02] <Computer__Guru> i think it does actually
[08:02] <Computer__Guru> you just need to installt he codecs
[08:02] <spermie_411> No packages found matching *zsnes*.
[08:02] <spermie_411> spermie@Spermie:~$
[08:02] <spermie_411> heh
[08:02] <Computer__Guru> package name is w32codecs
[08:02] <crimsun> spermie_411: you need the multiverse repo
[08:02] <spermie_411> i know they got it
[08:02] <aseigo> _shawn: pastebin the errors somewhere
[08:02] <_shawn> I have that
[08:03] <Computer__Guru> should work then...
[08:03] <spermie_411> crimsun whats that?
[08:03] <Computer__Guru> mine does
[08:03] <Computer__Guru> and i installed the package
[08:03] <crimsun> spermie_411: it's a package pool where you get Ubuntu packages
[08:03] <t2> is there a good channel to go to for wifi install help?
[08:04] <Computer__Guru> crimsun
[08:04] <_shawn> http://pastebin.com/311022
[08:04] <Computer__Guru> dpkg -l '*snes*':
[08:04] <Computer__Guru> No packages found matching *snes*.
[08:04] <_shawn> thanks arron
[08:04] <Computer__Guru> and i definately have multiverse
[08:04] <Computer__Guru> and universe
[08:04] <Shuddertrix> zsnes is there for me
[08:04] <_shawn> I allready asked in the mplayer channel by the way
[08:04] <Shuddertrix> installed, too
[08:05] <jpowers> Computer__Guru: I don't think dpkg is aware of what's in the repositories
[08:05] <jpowers> Computer__Guru: I think that's what apt is for
[08:06] <Computer__Guru> yes it is
[08:06] <jpowers> s/repositories/package pools/
[08:06] <spermie_411> Computer__Guru you said i needed w32codecs this right?
[08:06] <crimsun> here or #ubuntu is fine
[08:06] <_shawn> any idea arron?
[08:07] <Computer__Guru> for mplayer? it wouldnt hurt
[08:07] <crimsun> Computer__Guru: you definitely typoed
[08:07] <Computer__Guru> what did i typo?
[08:07] <crimsun> the 'z'
[08:07] <Computer__Guru> the * before it takes care of that
[08:07] <_shawn> aseigo: any idea?
[08:08] <spermie_411> w32codecs?
[08:08] <crimsun> err, I read that incorrectly
[08:08] <Computer__Guru> wtf
[08:08] <Computer__Guru> its there
[08:08] <Computer__Guru> dpkg didnt see it
[08:08] <Computer__Guru> whatis zsnes:
[08:08] <Computer__Guru> zsnes: nothing appropriate.
[08:08] <Computer__Guru> funny its installed
[08:09] <spermie_411> permie@Spermie:~$  dpkg -l *w32codecs*
[08:09] <spermie_411> No packages found matching *w32codecs*.
[08:09] <spermie_411> =(
[08:09] <aseigo> _shawn: looks like it isn't linking in libvorbis
[08:09] <Computer__Guru> it's in a different repository i heard mentioned earlier
[08:09] <aseigo> _shawn: that's not the whole output though, is it? can you paste ALL the output?
[08:10] <bbailey> w32codecs is in backports
[08:10] <_shawn> that's the whole error do you want all of the make?
[08:11] <jpowers> Computer__Guru: where is zsnes installed?
[08:11] <Computer__Guru> where's the x interface to znses
[08:11] <spermie_411> bbailey noob whats backports?
[08:11] <Computer__Guru> whereis zsnes:
[08:11] <Computer__Guru> zsnes: /usr/bin/zsnes /usr/share/man/man1/zsnes.1.gz
[08:11] <Computer__Guru> screw this, im installing synaptic
[08:12] <Computer__Guru> or running it rather
[08:12] <bbailey> well, sorry, was in extras, not backports
[08:12] <jpowers> Computer__Guru: zsnes doesn't need an x interface
[08:12] <crimsun> looks like there's a db desync
[08:12] <crimsun> very odd
[08:12] <jpowers> Computer__Guru: just type zsnes
[08:12] <bbailey> spermie_411: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[08:12] <Computer__Guru> except it opens fullscreen
[08:12] <jpowers> hmm
[08:12] <jpowers> it doesn't do that on my box
[08:13] <Computer__Guru> got it
[08:13] <Computer__Guru> i ran it from a root shell,t hats why
[08:13] <Computer__Guru> tyvm
[08:13] <spermie_411> would synaptic show Zsnes?
[08:13] <jpowers> wow, that seems fairly dangerous.
[08:14] <jpowers> spermie_411: it ought to, if you have multiverse enabled
[08:14] <othernoob> would anyone know an N64 emu and/or a NeoGeo+CPS1+CPS2 emu (like winkawaks) ?
[08:15] <_shawn> aseigo: any idea how to fix it?
[08:15] <Computer__Guru> wow, zsnes runs really shitty in 32bpp color
[08:15] <aseigo> _shawn: did you paste the entire error from the last build command?
[08:16] <Computer__Guru> kawaks for ng-cps1/2, and ultrahle or surreal for n64
[08:16] <Computer__Guru> brb, nature calls
[08:16] <t2> no ideas on the wifi ?
[08:17] <spermie_411> jpowers hmm.. never really used synaptic that much do i go into Reposltories to enable multiverse?
[08:17] <jpowers> spermie_411: me either...I always just edit my /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:18] <jpowers> spermie_411: that's what I'd recommend for you too.  
[08:18] <_shawn> http://pastebin.com/311029
[08:18] <jpowers> spermie_411: I believe it works off of the same DB
[08:18] <jpowers> t2: no ideas here
[08:18] <_shawn> is all of it, I tried make a few times before this one so it's picking up at the error
[08:22] <supernix> Hey do they have something like Emule for Kubuntu ?
[08:22] <aseigo> _shawn: not sure what the solution there is, but /usr/lib/libavcodec.a seems to want another lib to link against ... in fact, looking on my system i have a shared lib version of libavcodec, not a static lib (.a) .. how did you install libavcodec?
[08:22] <Computer__Guru> okay now i have to go to the store, bbiaf
[08:22] <_shawn> ummm I tink I just did
[08:22] <_shawn> ./configure      make    make install
[08:23] <_shawn> *think
[08:24] <_shawn> and I tryed  ./configure --enable-shared
[08:24] <jpowers> supernix: mldonkey might be what you need.
[08:24] <jpowers> supernix: or kmldonkey
[08:25] <_shawn> should I try redownloading mplayer, and trying ./configure --enable-shared again?
[08:26] <jpowers> aseigo: your positive attitude got me into trying to help out a bit with kopete and kubuntu.  thanks.
[08:26] <crimsun> there's always room to help :)
[08:27] <pax> guys, can i have an email addy like pax@gmail.com in aliases, where root can send mail to? 
[08:27] <jpowers> crimsun: so I realized.  Even nonprogrammers can help, which is pretty cool until I get comfortable with qt and c++
[08:27] <vulcanoo> bonjour
[08:27] <pax> salut
[08:28] <crimsun> jpowers: indeed. Glad you feel comfortable helping in any capacity. :)
[08:29] <_shawn> what's happening?
[08:29] <vulcanoo> i dont know
[08:29] <vulcanoo> salut pax
[08:29] <_shawn> oh
[08:30] <pax> ca va?
[08:30] <vulcanoo> oui jai un problme d'affichage sous kubuntu
[08:30] <vulcanoo> jai uniquement le choix 640X480
[08:31] <vulcanoo> comment puis je faire pour avoir 800X600?
[08:31] <pax> vulcanoo: checked /etc/X11/xorg ?
[08:31] <vulcanoo> ok jai regarde le fichier xorg
[08:31] <pax> so guys can aliases take an email addy or no?
[08:32] <vulcanoo> pax are you french?
[08:32] <pax> vulcanoo: nop
[08:32] <pax> j'aime la langue francaise c'est tous
[08:33] <vulcanoo> ok tres bien pax..donc jai regarde xorg mais quel config dois je trouver?
[08:33] <pax> attend voir let check
[08:33] <vulcanoo> ok i wait
[08:34] <pax> vulcanoo: voila https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:42] <pax> tu changes simplement SubSection "Display" c'est tous
[09:10] <hussam> Riddell: any plans to include apt-indicator ( http://apt-indicator.sourceforge.net ) or something similar in the next version of Kubuntu?
[09:52] <nikkia> argh!
[09:57] <IceDC571> nikkia: hmm?
[10:18] <torz> is there any significant difference between the amd64 version of kubuntu and the x86 version?
[10:21] <torz> http://mailman.the-forgotten.org/pipermail/morlug/2005-June/001644.html
[10:27] <hussam> torz: probably the difference is only 3rd party applications such as macromedia flash and Adobe acrobat reader.
[10:29] <torz> hussam: do you have javac on your 64bit system?
[10:29] <hussam> torz: sorry I have 32bit
[10:30] <torz> I see. I'm a little troubled atm. Not sure if I should go 64 or 32.
[10:30] <torz> I have a 64bit processor now you see.
[10:31] <hussam> there is no java for 64bit?
[10:32] <torz> not 100% sure, researching that now.
[10:33] <hussam> according to here, https://sdlcweb2b.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet;jsessionid=C3357D4413617AD377D0E1EA6415BA54
[10:33] <hussam> there is for amd64
[10:33] <torz> excellent!
[10:33] <torz> I was about to visit #java
[10:35] <torz> good, atleast jdk(j2se) is available for amd64
[10:35] <torz> I'm relieved.
[10:36] <torz> heh :p
[10:36] <hussam> but you still need flash, right?
[10:36] <torz> well it would be nice to have. I dont like big fat sites.
[10:36] <torz> i.e. sites that uses flash
[10:37] <torz> but saying that heaps of famous commercial websites depend on flash...
[10:38] <paines> hi
[10:38] <torz> hey
[10:38] <paines> are there any issues with amarok on 64bit machines
[10:39] <hussam> the problem is that the last version of macromedia flash was released in 2003 when 64bit was less popular, I guess
[10:39] <paines> i found it sometimes hanging
[10:39] <torz> ha, we were just discussing Flash with 64bit linux.
[10:39] <paines> hrhr
[10:39] <paines> also one issue i don't understand
[10:39] <torz> you have to be patient... wait another a year or so :p
[10:39] <paines> doesn't 32 bit flash run on 64bit machines
[10:39] <torz> no
[10:40] <paines> and if, why not. there is a bunch of other komplex apps which do
[10:40] <paines> and if not
[10:40] <torz> I recently purchased a 64bit box and whats troubling me atm is what I should install. 32 or 64.
[10:40] <torz> I havent received the box yet so I have to make my mind up soon!
[10:41] <paines> well, I am pretty happy with 64 bit kubunut, just that amrok is hanging sometimes
[10:41] <torz> with 64bit trouble is inevitable.
[10:41] <hussam> torz: http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=184&threadid=1014164&enterthread=y
[10:42] <torz> if you want to be *cool* and explore the 64bit system and get dirty with the system then 64bit is the way :~)
[10:42] <torz> but atm I'm thinking I should just stick to 32bit Kubuntu for now.
[10:42] <torz> 32bit Linux on AMD64 is still super fast.
[10:42] <torz> with minimum problems.
[10:43] <torz> hussam: uhhh how kind of you :~)
[10:43] <paines> that's right
[10:43] <hussam> torz: I was only kidding :)
[10:44] <torz> lol at that link
[10:44] <torz> "help us!!! please help us!!!"
[10:44] <torz> paines: I think the problem is that 64bit isnt mainstream *yet*.
[10:45] <torz> give it another 10 months or so and things should change.
[10:45] <paines> 10 months ?!?!
[10:45] <paines> thats a life time in computer science
[10:45] <torz> indeed
[10:46] <torz> paines: but computer geeks dont influence the industry at ALL.
[10:46] <torz> I mean computer geeks are only a niche market.
[10:46] <torz> paines: besides you should be saying informatik :p
[10:46] <paines> torz. thats right
[10:47] <paines> well informatik is a german word
[10:47] <paines> computer science is the english meaning
[10:47] <torz> only geeks cream their pants over pointless 64bit atm. Another 10mths and normies should catch on.
[10:47] <paines> well I am a geek
[10:47] <torz> then hopefully flash will be available :~)
[10:48] <torz> paines: yeah I'm one of those ppl that purchased pointless 64bit system :p
[10:48] <hussam> it depends on the time of released product. the current version of flash is 7. I doubt we will see 64 bit flash on windows/linux untill flash 8, but I could be mistaken.
[10:48] <paines> f**k flash. the opensource flash will be powerfull in a few months
[10:48] <paines> I want a stable 64bit system
[10:48] <hussam> opensource flash?
[10:49] <torz> paines: yep thats what I'm counting on.
[10:49] <torz> only if commercial sites didnt use flash! grrr
[10:49] <torz> I hate big fat designer websites.
[10:49] <hussam> is there opensource flash?
[10:49] <paines> yup
[10:49] <torz> hussam: at this rate I'm sure there will be for amd64.
[10:49] <torz> so much demand.
[10:49] <othernoob> what does one need to watch .rmvb files?
[10:50] <torz> real player is the authentic one
[10:50] <paines> othernoob, do file yourfile.rmvb
[10:50] <paines> never heard of that extension
[10:50] <torz> kaffeine can play it on my machine.
[10:51] <torz> .rmvb formats are surprisingly excellent quality for its size. My friend has a 70MB file of a movie I have that is 170MB.
[10:51] <torz> almost identical quality (if not his is better).
[10:51] <torz> othernoob: something along the line of: apt-get install realplayer
[10:52] <othernoob> okay, i just tried vlc. will have to test kaffeine then.
[10:55] <hussam> any kde 3.4.1 users here experiencing this crash? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12096
[10:58] <torz> looking
[10:58] <torz> nup never
[10:58] <torz> gpl-flash
[11:39] <hussam> By next month, will breezy be fit enough for testing?
[11:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> hussam: wouldent count on it... 
[11:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> but may be
[11:43] <Firetech> hussam: that crash thingie, I get it about one time in 5-10...
[11:45] <hussam> Firetech: then it's not just me
[11:45] <Firetech> hussam: no: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106922
[11:45] <hussam> is there a CD containing the rest of the packages not contained in the original hoary CD?
[11:47] <hussam> Firetech: it is still marked "unconfirmed"
[11:47] <Firetech> check the comments
[11:47] <hussam> Firetech: I've read them.
[11:48] <Firetech> unconfirmed just means that no Dev has  had the problem.
[11:49] <wincide> hi.. do someone knows which of the flash player packages is the best for konqueror  ???
[12:07] <wincide> hi.. do someone knows which of the flash player packages is the best for konqueror  ???
[12:08] <hussam> by the time Breezy is out, will Hoary be fully upgradable to Breezy, or will I have to do a clean install?
[12:08] <jpatrick_> update
[12:15] <hussam> why isn't there a CD2/3 for hoary with the rest of packages? will there be ones for breezy?
[12:20] <thoreauputic> hussam: the quick answer is no - and the rest of the packages wouldn't fit on a CD anyway: i believe there's a dvd with all the packages in "Main" on it
[12:20] <thoreauputic> remember Ubuntu has about 16 000 packages in 3 repositories
[12:21] <hussam> is this dvd available for download?
[12:21] <thoreauputic> I think so, yes
[12:22] <hussam> where can I find a link?
[12:23] <thoreauputic> http://ubuntu.hands.com/releases/hoary/  <-- DVD is torrent only
[12:23] <thoreauputic> BTW I just found that in less than a minute using google...
[12:24] <hussam> damn, I can't use p2p, I'm behind proxy
[12:25] <thoreauputic> why bother? All packages are available with synaptic/ apt /aptitude anyway
[12:27] <hussam> I have 64kbit connection at home. so if everything is available on cd or dvd, I can download it in no time at my university instead of at home.
[12:27] <jpatrick> the download page
[12:28] <jpatrick> http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[12:29] <jpatrick> if you want Kubuntu click my link
[12:29] <hussam> I have that. but I'm thinking ahead for when I have to upgrade to breezy. because my home connection is slow.
[12:29] <thoreauputic> jpatrick: he wants extras on CD
[12:31] <jpatrick> I know
[12:55] <othernoob> how can i play vobsub subtitles with kaffeine?
[01:13] <fromoze> Hi, I've been browsing on the net looking if there's some people having the same problem I've on Kubuntu Amd64 with Qt. I wanted to summit a bug, but I d'ont know how to say it in english. The problem is I can't write accents? tildes? over the vowels.
[01:13] <fromoze> I found this bug on Debian with Qt 2.2.4 ... 
[01:13] <fromoze> I found, on the net I mean XD
[01:16] <fromoze> I'm using breezy, I forgot.
[01:17] <fromoze> 'using/trying'
[03:06] <mpmc> where can I get themes for kbuntu?
[03:07] <Bubbling_Zombie> www.kde-look.org
[03:08] <jpatrick> great place :)
[03:10] <Bubbling_Zombie> it sure is
[03:10] <jpatrick> All I need is one thing
[03:11] <jpatrick> Kubuntu
[03:11] <jpatrick> I'm buying a burner (if possible)
[03:11] <jpatrick> today
[03:12] <jpatrick> Those Cds Shipit sent haven't arrived for months
[03:12] <Bubbling_Zombie> brb
[03:13] <jpatrick> right
[03:17] <Bubbling_Zombie> k returned :)-
[03:18] <Bubbling_Zombie> mmm
[03:18] <Bubbling_Zombie> thought you were using ubuntu atm :')
[03:18] <Bubbling_Zombie> sorry for pokin' thatway ;)
[03:18] <jpatrick> No
[03:19] <jpatrick> I'm using Windows :(
[03:19] <Bubbling_Zombie> xD
[03:19] <jpatrick> it crashes every 5 minutes
[03:19] <jpatrick> I'm buying a burner in the next hour or so
[03:19] <Bubbling_Zombie> nice
[03:19] <jpatrick> I got the ISO file here
[03:20] <jpatrick> do I just click the file then burn?
[03:20] <Bubbling_Zombie> you using nero?
[03:20] <kalenedrael> use some cd burning program
[03:20] <jpatrick> Nero
[03:20] <Bubbling_Zombie> but burn it as an iso. Don't unpack the files first
[03:20] <jpatrick> Trial
[03:20] <jpatrick> should do it
[03:21] <Bubbling_Zombie> indeed.
[03:21] <jpatrick> ok burn as ISO
[03:22] <Bubbling_Zombie> nero has an option for that iirc
[03:22] <sebas> Hi. Trying to upgrade to breezy I can't start xorg anymore.
[03:23] <Bubbling_Zombie> it's unstable for a reason you know :p
[03:23] <Bubbling_Zombie> 'nyway, what seems to be the problem?
[03:23] <thoreauputic> sebas: if breezy breaks you get to keep both pieces...
[03:24] <sebas> Sure. 
[03:24] <sebas> But JR said it'd be installable as long as I fix the font path to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ which doesn't seem to suffice here.
[03:24] <sebas> (Running it in vmware)
[03:25] <sebas> Xorg.0.log complains: "could not open default font 'fixed'
[03:25] <sebas> I reinstalled a couple of font packages, but to no avail. Otherwise, I tried to keep this install as pristine as possible.
[03:25] <sebas> The font server's not used according to Xorg.0.log.
[03:26] <sebas> Anyone's got a pointer?
[03:26] <jpatrick> Bubbling_Zombie: I don't see the option
[03:26] <Bubbling_Zombie> try reinstalling xfonts-base
[03:26] <Bubbling_Zombie> jpatrick, what version are you using?
[03:26] <Riddell> sebas: what does your xorg.conf say in the Files section?
[03:26] <jpatrick> Nero Burning ROM 6
[03:27] <jpatrick> I see "Burn Image"
[03:27] <sebas> Bubbling_Zombie: Doesn't help.
[03:27] <sebas> Riddell: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/* 
[03:27] <Bubbling_Zombie> well, that's the option jpatrick :')
[03:28] <jpatrick> good
[03:28] <sebas> The pathes match the ones where my fonts are located though.
[03:28] <sebas> That's exactly the thing I don't understand though
[03:30] <sebas> Riddell: ldetect btw is a hardware database, we're using it to detect PCI devices.
[03:30] <sebas> Is there a devel channel, btw (Might reduce my noise on user's issues)
[03:31] <Riddell> sebas: yes #kubuntu-devel
[03:31] <sebas> Ah, going on there, then.
[03:45] <alladynasyn> jest tu jakis polak?
[04:06] <fromoze> with 'sudo  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' the problem with the fonts get fixed  for me
[04:14] <robhert> hi!
[04:24] <_patrick> hi
[04:25] <Bubbling_Zombie> hello
[04:25] <_patrick> i have installed kubuntu but kynaptic doesnt start...
[04:25] <_patrick> i cant update anything without it
[04:26] <_patrick> and i still havent figured out how to modify the packet sources in apitude
[04:26] <robhert> where can i find gedit to edit /etc/fstab?
[04:26] <_patrick> urgshs...
[04:26] <_patrick> sorry :/
[04:26] <KaiL> _patrick: use apt-get
[04:27] <_patrick> k...
[04:27] <_patrick> which command?
[04:27] <KaiL> or try 'kdesu kynaptic' from a console and show us the message
[04:27] <_patrick> i dont get a message :/
[04:28] <robhert> sudo: gedit: command not found
[04:28] <robhert> sudo: gedit: command not found
[04:28] <robhert> KaiL: i need to add a phew line into /etc/fstab but 
[04:28] <robhert> sudo: gedit: command not found
[04:28] <Riddell> robhert: use kdesu kate
[04:28] <robhert> kdesu kate. kubuntu have it by default?
[04:29] <_patrick> there still dont get a message
[04:29] <robhert> sh: /etc/fstab: Permiso denegado
[04:31] <fromoze> robhert: ls -la /etc/fstab ?
[04:32] <_patrick> i cant even modify my timezone
[04:32] <_patrick> wtf...
[04:32] <_patrick> shouldn i get a popup that request a pass regarding rootrights?
[04:33] <_patrick> ???
[04:33] <robhert> hi fromoze sorry... that was a question or "robhert put this:"?
[04:33] <fromoze> I get it :/
[04:34] <_patrick> :(
[04:34] <fromoze> robhert put this to see the permission you have for etc/fstab :)
[04:34] <_patrick> sorry... nobody has a hint for me?
[04:34] <fromoze> I'll read your problem..
[04:34] <robhert> ls -la /etc/fstab
[04:34] <robhert> right?
[04:34] <robhert> or just:  -la /etc/fstab
[04:34] <kalenedrael> ls -l /etc/fstab
[04:35] <robhert> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 468 2005-07-10 16:17 /etc/fstab
[04:35] <kalenedrael> yeah
[04:35] <fromoze> ls -l /etc/fstb sorr XD
[04:35] <kalenedrael> kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[04:36] <robhert> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 468 2005-07-10 16:17 /etc/fstab
[04:36] <fromoze> _patrick: sudo apt-get update?
[04:36] <robhert> $ ls -l /etc/fstb
[04:37] <robhert> $ ls -l /etc/fstb
[04:37] <robhert> i try: 
[04:37] <robhert> $ ls -l /etc/fstb
[04:37] <robhert> and this this is what i get: 
[04:37] <robhert> sorry was: 
[04:37] <robhert> $ ls -l /etc/fstab
[04:37] <_patrick> root@Agamemnon:~# postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such fi                         le or directory
[04:37] <_patrick> O_o
[04:38] <robhert> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 468 2005-07-10 16:17 /etc/fstab
[04:38] <robhert> and i get 
[04:39] <kalenedrael> robhert, kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[04:40] <robhert> :O
[04:40] <kalenedrael> what are you trying to do, anyway?
[04:40] <robhert> yeah it's right! ;)
[04:40] <robhert> add this lines: 
[04:40] <robhert> >>> /dev/hda1       /media/windows    vfat    gid=100,umask=0007,fmask=0117,utf8 0       0
[04:41] <kalenedrael> dunno, let me check
[04:41] <robhert> to mount windwos partition :)
[04:42] <kalenedrael> /dev/hda1         /media/windows    vfat     auto,rw,user  0   0
[04:42] <robhert> m... could u explain to me what's the difference?
[04:42] <_patrick> sorry guys fo rbugging... but i cant modify anything...
[04:42] <_patrick> :/
[04:43] <_patrick> any idea what may be wrong here?
[04:43] <_patrick> in order to update i have to modify my paket sources...
[04:43] <_patrick> but i cant modify them :/
[04:43] <_patrick> because i dont even get root rights
[04:43] <fromoze> sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list doesn't work for you?
[04:44] <kalenedrael> robhert, auto tells it to auto-mount on startup, rw mounts it read-write, and user lets any user mount it
[04:44] <_patrick> sudo: unable to lookup Agamemnon via gethostbyname()
[04:44] <_patrick> Password:postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or dir
[04:44] <kalenedrael> the gid, umask, and fmask shouldn't matter
[04:44] <_patrick> thats everything i get
[04:45] <_patrick> neither i can install anything nor updated any files
[04:45] <fromoze> _patrick: how  did you install kubuntu?
[04:45] <_patrick> 20minutes ago with cd
[04:45] <_patrick> install cd
[04:45] <_patrick> the one i dl via bittorent this morning
[04:46] <fromoze> kubuntu hoary or breezy?
[04:46] <_patrick> hoary
[04:46] <_patrick> wahts breezy?
[04:46] <_patrick> 5.04
[04:46] <_patrick> the stable one
[04:47] <buz> 5.10
[04:47] <_patrick> well this doesnt help...
[04:47] <fromoze> may something goes wrong on installation? ...
[04:47] <_patrick> i cant modify anything
[04:47] <fromoze> I don't understand a thing
[04:47] <fromoze> you're logged as root?
[04:48] <_patrick> i cant log in as root
[04:48] <_patrick> i always get:
[04:48] <_patrick> sudo: unable to lookup Agamemnon via gethostbyname()
[04:48] <_patrick> Password:postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or dir
[04:48] <_patrick> thats the console complaint...
[04:49] <_patrick> in the gui i got with ubunutu always a popupbox that asked for my pass
[04:49] <_patrick> if i tried to modify systemsettings
[04:49] <fromoze> but:  "root@Agamemnon:~# postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory" here you're root...
[04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> _patrick: cant you sudo to root?
[04:49] <_patrick> i get that complaint
[04:49] <robhert> fromoze: how can i see the effects whitout reboot?
[04:50] <_patrick> i make sudo -s to get root
[04:50] <_patrick> but the only reaction to this ist that complaint istead of a pass request
[04:50] <fromoze> have you create a user on the installation?
[04:50] <buz> try sudo bash to get a root shell
[04:50] <_patrick> ja...
[04:50] <_patrick> patrick is user
[04:50] <_patrick> i am patrick *g*
[04:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's what sudo -s does
[04:51] <buz> use your pw with sudo
[04:51] <buz> if that doesnt work something is thoroughly wrong
[04:51] <_patrick> well... i know that
[04:51] <_patrick> but it doesnt ask my pass... it only outputs that message above
[04:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> _patrick: do you have a live cd?
[04:51] <_patrick> no
[04:51] <_patrick> install cd...
[04:52] <_patrick> livecd torrents were to slow :/
[04:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you had a live cd you could have used to to correct things
[04:52] <buz> you can use any linux livecd i guess
[04:52] <buz> personally find the kubuntu live cd a bit painful to use
[04:52] <_patrick> welll... i am a linux noob
[04:53] <_patrick> and i cant find any hints in the forums what may be wrong with my installation :(
[04:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> i havent used kubuntus live
[04:53] <_patrick> the last time i tried ubuntu and installed via synaptic kde...
[04:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> _patrick: have you changed any files as root, such as the hostname/hosts file/interfaces file?
[04:53] <_patrick> after that the system freezed after 10 minutes
[04:53] <_patrick> no
[04:53] <_patrick> i didnt...
[04:54] <thoreauputic> _patrick: if you type ` hostname ` , does the output say 'Agamemnon ' ?
[04:54] <_patrick> this is the first session after install
[04:54] <_patrick> ja, it says
[04:55] <thoreauputic> _patrick: if you type ' cat /etc/network/interfaces `  do you see a line with the hostname and 127.0.0.1 ?
[04:56] <spermie_411> How do i get cedega on kubuntu? is it in the packages?
[04:56] <_patrick> # Used by ifup(8) and ifdown(8). See the interfaces(5) manpage or
[04:56] <_patrick> # /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples for more information.
[04:56] <thoreauputic> _patrick: is that ht e only output?
[04:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> spermie_411: you have to download it
[04:57] <_patrick> yep...  :/
[04:57] <_patrick> looks weired
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> spermie_411: then dpkg -i cedega.deb
[04:57] <thoreauputic> _patrick: you have no loopback interface then
[04:57] <_patrick> well... how do i fix that?
[04:57] <thoreauputic> _patrick: which means the machine can't even talk to itself ;)
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> ew
[04:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> pawned
[04:58] <_patrick> can i fix that without deleting the os?
[04:58] <_patrick> an reinstalling
[04:58] <thoreauputic> _patrick: what does the first line of ` cat /etc/hosts ` say?
[04:59] <_patrick> localhost 127.0.0.1
[04:59] <_patrick> ip in front...
[04:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> _patrick: get a live cd and rewrite interfaces
[04:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> and localhost.localdomain?
[04:59] <_patrick> well... torrent is that i need 1 week to get a live dics
[04:59] <_patrick> :/
[04:59] <_patrick> that slow*
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> got no live cds at all?
[05:00] <_patrick> no
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S
[05:00] <thoreauputic> _patrick: OK edit /etc/hosts and add after a space localhost.localdomain Agamemnon  or whatever your hostname is
[05:00] <thoreauputic> to the first line
[05:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> i thought he couldent get root?
[05:01] <thoreauputic> ah... rats you are right 
[05:01] <thoreauputic> :(
[05:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> live cd :S
[05:01] <_patrick> file opens but i can save...
[05:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> or recue mode
[05:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> SINGLE USER
[05:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry
[05:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> caps
[05:01] <thoreauputic> he could use rescue mode but it's a hassle
[05:01] <_patrick> i wonder what got wrong... 
[05:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic: less then dling live ;)
[05:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> or comileing a kernel exploit to escalate privilages
[05:02] <thoreauputic> _patrick: somehow your networking config didn't work
[05:02] <_patrick> :/
[05:03] <_patrick> ok... back to the scratch...
[05:03] <_patrick> format hda:2
[05:03] <_patrick> bye
[05:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S nah
[05:03] <thoreauputic> _patrick: if you type ` id `  are you in the 'admon' group ?
[05:03] <_patrick> not?
[05:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> *sigh*
[05:03] <thoreauputic> *admin
[05:03] <_patrick> localhost.localdomain Agamemnon
[05:03] <_patrick> uid=1000(patrick) gid=1000(patrick) Gruppen=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),107(lpadmin),108(scanner),109(admin),1000(patrick)
[05:04] <thoreauputic> _patrick: OK well sudo *should* work
[05:04] <thoreauputic> in theory...
[05:04] <_patrick> ja... but it doesnt
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> what's the deal with his interfaces file?
[05:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> he can use a generic if that's what's stopping him
[05:05] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: I was trying to see why he got "can't find foo using gethostbyname "
[05:05] <thoreauputic> /etc/hosts is wrong too
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok, but wasnt he missing loopback?
[05:06] <thoreauputic> yes
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> wonder if single user works still with no loop back
[05:06] <_patrick> well... u said network config got wrecked...
[05:06] <_patrick> why not simply install it again
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> _patrick: it's probably easer not to simply reinstall
[05:06] <thoreauputic> _patrick: are you sure the CD is OK? md5sum matches ?
[05:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> (depends on your idea of easy of course)
[05:07] <_patrick> ya.....
[05:07] <_patrick> before and after burning i checked
[05:07] <_patrick> before i checkd the iso
[05:07] <NI7R0> lo
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi NI7R0
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic: do you think it's easy enough to just copy a new file over interfaces+hosts+hostname as singleuser?
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> imo yes, but i only use apt- so I'm not your average noob as it were :S
[05:09] <thoreauputic> _patrick: if you feel like trying , you could reboot and choose the recovery/rescue mode, and try to add some entries to the files as Kamping_Kaiser suggests
[05:10] <_patrick> rescue mode isnt gui based i guess ;)
[05:10] <thoreauputic> _patrick: are you comfortable with nano and command line?
[05:10] <_patrick> i started using linux 4days ago
[05:10] <thoreauputic> _patrick: hmm
[05:10] <NI7R0> hello all, im getting a new graphic-card, now my question is how to handle this as im new on linux and don't know what will happen if i just switch the card
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> _patrick: fire up a konsole and open nano
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> and have a look while we are here
[05:10] <NI7R0> both cards are nvidia
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> NI7R0: x might fail to start
[05:11] <_patrick> k
[05:11] <_patrick> gnu nano 1.2.4
[05:11] <_patrick> worx
[05:11] <NI7R0> aha and how to prevent X to fail ?
[05:11] <NI7R0> reinstall the whole kubuntu ?
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> NI7R0: choose a powerfull $deighty
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can switch to vesa while you change card (if it's not already) but the nVIDIA driver should let you change
[05:12] <NI7R0> erm im a linux newb, what u mean with $deighty ?
[05:12] <thoreauputic> NI7R0: you can run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> NI7R0: i think I'm funny
[05:12] <NI7R0> ok
[05:12] <thoreauputic> NI7R0: he's referring jokingly to God ;)
[05:13] <NI7R0> but do I also reinstall the nvidia driver, or uninstall it before switching the cards?
[05:13] <thoreauputic> should be $DEITY actually *grin*
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm tired
[05:13] <_patrick> well...
[05:14] <_patrick> whats next..
[05:14] <spermie_411> udo apt-get install limewire
[05:14] <spermie_411> Reading package lists... Done
[05:14] <spermie_411> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:14] <spermie_411> E: Couldn't find package limewire
[05:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> _patrick: do you think you could use nano?
[05:14] <_patrick> what is nano?
[05:14] <spermie_411> i thought i could apt get limewire???
[05:14] <thoreauputic> _patrick: you have 2 choices 1) struggle and learn something 2) reinstall
[05:14] <_patrick> ya...
[05:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> spermie_411: i don't have it in my repos
[05:15] <spermie_411> hmm..
[05:15] <spermie_411> would synaptics have it underthere?
[05:15] <fromoze> better reinstall, if you start 4 days ago.. isn't a normal thing your problem, may be you don't need to start too hard :)
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[05:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> spermie_411: synaptic has what apt has
[05:16] <_patrick> ok... then i do so...
[05:16] <_patrick> bye
[05:16] <thoreauputic> _patrick: if you boot into rescue/recovery mode, you can try running ` base-config` and see if that repairs the problem
[05:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> fromoze: such a doze mentality ;)
[05:16] <fromoze> doze?
[05:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> Windows
[05:16] <_patrick> what will base config do
[05:17] <fromoze> at all XD
[05:17] <spermie_411> Kamping_Kaiser then how can i get limewire?
[05:17] <thoreauputic> fromoze: he will learn more if he tries, and the reinstall option is still there
[05:17] <spermie_411> download it and install it that way =(
[05:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> spermie_411: you can try and find a deb, or compile
[05:17] <thoreauputic> _patrick: it reruns the base configuration: might help
[05:17] <_patrick> k
[05:18] <_patrick> i give it a try...
[05:18] <fromoze> Kamping_Kaiser: I don't use losedoze for more than 3 years... :P
[05:18] <_patrick> one question before i go...
[05:18] <_patrick> what is nano?
[05:18] <thoreauputic> _patrick: good man :)
[05:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> good luck _patrick
[05:18] <thoreauputic> _patrick: an editor
[05:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> fromoze: half your luck. i only got rid of it this year ;)
[05:18] <_patrick> ok...
[05:18] <_patrick> <--- and off
[05:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. whos good with x errors?
[05:20] <fromoze> And I must say: when I starts using linux you must start fighting with the whole system configuration for a week. Now I can install linux in 15 minuts. Isn't a hard thing to reinstall now XD
[05:21] <fromoze> and once you see it's a working thing, is easy to fall in love with :)
[05:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> never realy delt with 2.4s
[05:24] <fromoze> Kamping_Kaiser: The  funny thing with linux is that I can reinstall and get all working like 20 minuts ago very easy. Just need to have parted your hd at least in 4: swap, /, /home and /yourdatadisk .
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> i want a setup like that, but I'm just not compatible with logic
[05:25] <fromoze> Kamping_Kaiser: Like this you can try diferents things just for play a little :D
[05:25] <fromoze> why?
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have 3 os's on this box, and 4 more going on in the next few days
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[05:25] <fromoze> XD
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> because i want to play with them :D
[05:25] <fromoze> I see ;)
[05:26] <fromoze> I really funny to use things you can do what you want with :D
[05:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have Debian Linux, Debian HURD, Ubuntu, and about to put on suse, slackware, mandirva, and fc4
[05:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol yeh
[05:27] <fromoze> what a bout hurd?
[05:27] <fromoze> do you like it?
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's freeking .....
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> you have to make your own nodes and devs and stuff
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> and i don't know how :S
[05:28] <fromoze> XD
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[05:28] <fromoze> Don't worry, it only about read a little :)
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) I'm going to get a few geeks onto the box to make my devs+nodes and get the box back :)
[05:30] <fromoze> Well, I'm thinking about going to reinstall myself XD
[05:31] <fromoze> I was trying breezy, but the problems I get are too big :/
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm running a genereic 10-5 kernel and it works
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> most of the time ;)
[05:32] <fromoze> on breezy you mean?
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> I've been running Breezy since a week after Hoary went stable
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> stable was just workng. i couldent stand it
[05:34] <fromoze> I don't have problems with the system... just with qt and I miss kile :)
[05:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) 
[05:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> tbh I'm using Ubuntu... KDE doesnt do it for me. so qt problems? what are those?
[05:35] <fromoze> I can't write in spanish on qt and I can't compile kile... and finally I'm not in vacances, I must start writting this week...
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> ouch
[05:36] <fromoze> you don't use kde?
[05:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> nope
[05:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> only if i have to help some one learn it ;)
[05:37] <fromoze> XD And why are you in #kubuntu? I hope isn't a misspell XD
[05:37] <robhert> hi again!.. i can't write mi email in linux :(
[05:38] <robhert> how can i put rj_3008_at_hotmail.com?
[05:38] <fromoze> :?
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> fromoze: I'm in Kubuntu because they don't need any more help in Ubuntu
[05:38] <robhert> was a example
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> robhert: I'm not exactly sure of your problem
[05:39] <apow> example of what?
[05:39] <fromoze> Kamping_Kaiser: XD
[05:39] <robhert> mm. sorry ... look.. i need to write my email but i cant write the AT
[05:39] <fromoze> @?
[05:39] <robhert> yes
[05:39] <fromoze> wich layour do you use?
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:40] <fromoze> layour/layour sorry...
[05:40] <fromoze> layouTTT
[05:40] <fromoze> sorry: i mean layout
[05:40] <robhert> layout.. mm.. (what is this) (im newb :)
[05:41] <fromoze> your keywoard language...
[05:41] <robhert> spanish
[05:41] <fromoze> sabes que hay un  canal #kubuntu-es? -a little spam, sorry-
[05:42] <robhert> no.. but ill go ;)
[05:42] <robhert> #kubuntu-es
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. good talking all
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> night people
[05:59] <fromoze> night?
[05:59] <fromoze> USA?
[06:00] <fromoze> where is night now?
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, 1.30 am
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> australian centra
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> l
[06:00] <fromoze> ok
[06:00] <fromoze> here 18:00
[06:00] <fromoze> :)
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> *australian central time
[06:00] <fromoze> good night
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol :)
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> no wonder we havent met before
[06:01] <fromoze> Xd
[06:01] <fromoze> see you
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> have fun ;)
[06:28] <_patrick> re
[06:36] <_patrick> weired
[06:36] <_patrick> why doesnt kynaptic not request root access?
[06:39] <Riddell> _patrick: if you start it up without root it will complain
[06:39] <_patrick> no
[06:39] <_patrick> the cursor is bumping and then it closes
[06:39] <_patrick> if i start it out of my console with root (which worx fine now)
[06:40] <_patrick> it opens as expected
[06:41] <_patrick> btw. which file contains the control of the debsources for kynaptic?
[06:43] <spiral> _patrick: /etc/apt/sources.list I guess ?
[06:44] <_patrick> well.. i removed #%space% of all universe sources
[06:44] <_patrick> but there is no change 
[06:45] <thoreauputic> _patrick: sudo apt-get update  
[06:45] <_patrick> E: Konnte Lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock nicht bekommen - open (11 Die Ressource ist zur Zeit nicht verfgbar)
[06:45] <_patrick> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:46] <_patrick> aaah...sorry
[06:46] <thoreauputic> _patrick: close synaptic/kynaptic
[06:46] <_patrick> kynaptic was opened... 
[06:46] <thoreauputic> yup
[06:46] <_patrick> sorry...
[06:47] <thoreauputic> :) no worries, we've all done it -that's how we know ;)
[06:47] <_patrick> ya... i feel like i am bugging u
[06:47] <_patrick> :/
[06:47] <thoreauputic> _patrick: no, this is a help channel after all
[06:47] <_patrick> ok...
[06:48] <_patrick> should i update the kernel?
[06:48] <thoreauputic> at least your install works now, right?
[06:48] <_patrick> ya
[06:49] <_patrick> ur workarround with that secure startup didnt worked
[06:49] <_patrick> it didn't recognised the install dvd
[06:49] <thoreauputic> _patrick: ah well, worth a try
[06:49] <_patrick> ya...nevermind ;)
[06:49] <_patrick> btw. karamba or superkaramba
[06:49] <_patrick> whats better?
[06:50] <_patrick> ok...
[06:50] <thoreauputic> I use fluxbox mostly here...
[06:50] <_patrick> k
[06:50] <_patrick> fluxbox is nice too... 
[06:50] <_patrick> atm i prefer kde
[06:50] <thoreauputic> KDE is pretty nice these days, yeah
[06:51] <_patrick> do u know a deb server that contains opera updates?
[06:52] <_patrick> or in general propietary binaries
[06:52] <thoreauputic> opera is non-free, commercial - you might be better to install a static version from the website
[06:52] <_patrick> i know that... 
[06:52] <thoreauputic> if you *must* have opera - I think firefox+ extensions does most of what opera does
[06:53] <_patrick> lol... firefox suxx...
[06:53] <_patrick> :P
[06:53] <thoreauputic> I only use ubuntu repos now: they have everything I need
[06:54] <_patrick> although i use it for testing my websites, its gui is too simple IE like
[06:54] <_patrick> i prefer opera's handling ;)
[06:54] <thoreauputic> _patrick: um... you might think firefox sucks but most would disagree
[06:54] <_patrick> well it doesnt "suck"... 
[06:54] <_patrick> its not my taste... 
[06:54] <thoreauputic> _patrick: right :)
[06:55] <_patrick> i dont like its userinterface
[06:55] <_patrick> thats it
[06:55] <thoreauputic> Opera is a nice browser - I used it until firefox 0.8 quite often
[06:55] <_patrick> have u tried opera 8 yet?
[06:56] <thoreauputic> You can change the interface if you wish, it is configurable
[06:56] <thoreauputic> I don't use Opera any more - I don't need it
[06:56] <_patrick> its not only the interface... its tools fit together...
[06:56] <_patrick> however... use what u like to use ;)
[06:56] <_patrick> everything is ebtter than ie crap
[06:56] <thoreauputic> OK - you prefer Opera - that's fine :)
[06:57] <_patrick> however... since firefox copies opera featuere set 
[06:57] <_patrick> we might see soon more svg and torrents 
[06:57] <_patrick> :P
[06:57] <_buz> wtf does a browser need a torrent client anyway
[06:58] <_patrick> well... its a protocol... a useful protocol
[06:58] <_patrick> like ftp
[06:58] <_patrick> why has a browser to understand ftp
[06:58] <_patrick> either
[06:58] <_buz> ftp is much simpler to implement
[06:58] <_buz> (crap protocol still)
[06:58] <_buz> why does anyone use ftp, anyway
[06:59] <_patrick> well... the more people have access to torrent, the more hosts will start tracker
[06:59] <supernix> Personaly IMHO I think Opera sucks bad
[06:59] <thoreauputic> vi or vim? or emacs? *ducks and runs*
[06:59] <_patrick> etc.
[06:59] <supernix> just my opiniong
[06:59] <supernix> opinion*
[06:59] <_patrick> ^
[06:59] <_patrick> ^^
[06:59] <_patrick> flameware... battle round #1
[06:59] <_patrick> :P
[07:00] <supernix> I heard someone say they liked Konqueror but honestly it does not do well with supporting CSS and HTML
[07:00] <supernix> The backend for CPG-Nuke comes to mind
[07:00] <_patrick> is konquerer already at safari's level?
[07:01] <supernix> But you can view flash pages with Konqueror while Mozilla crashes horribly
[07:01] <_patrick> safar level = that smiley face test
[07:01] <_patrick> how was it called...
[07:01] <_patrick> i dunno :/
[07:02] <_buz> ACID2
[07:02] <_patrick> ya...
[07:02] <_patrick> exactly ;)
[07:02] <_buz> flash doesnt seem to work in either browser for me currently
[07:03] <_buz> both just crash
[07:03] <_buz> uppon install of haory it did work for a while
[07:03] <supernix> LOL I did not say there was no bugs in Konqueror it shows the flash but the links don't actually work so functional but NOT
[07:04] <_patrick> urhm... one question... woody or sarge as deb-file?
[07:05] <Chavalot_> hello
[07:05] <_patrick> or stactic... .deb?
[07:05] <_buz> static deb
[07:06] <_patrick> what will the others do?
[07:06] <Chavalot_> i have wxp and ubuntu in the same disc (in different partitions). the problem is that i need reinstall wxp
[07:06] <_buz> not work probaby
[07:06] <Chavalot_> how can i make it without crash ubuntu?
[07:06] <_patrick> make a silent install disc...
[07:06] <_patrick> its almost as silent as ubunut ;)
[07:07] <Chavalot_> sorry for my english
[07:08] <supernix> anyone here using Ksig ?
[07:09] <supernix> I tried looking at the help file but it said that it is missing
[07:16] <_patrick> i need a recommendation regarding the new linux kernel
[07:18] <Geist|Patrick> 123
[07:18] <Geist|Patrick> ah... opera worx now :O
[07:18] <Geist|Patrick> :)
[07:20] <Bubbling_Zombie> _patrick?
[07:20] <Bubbling_Zombie> what kind of recommendation?
[07:21] <Chavalot_> bye
[07:22] <Geist|Patrick> which kernel shall i use on a k8 system
[07:22] <Geist|Patrick> 686 optimized or k7 optimized?
[07:23] <Speedy2> Geist|Patrick: You might want to consider compiling your own, from scratch
[07:23] <Geist|Patrick> urm... no time for that ;)
[07:23] <Speedy2> You get what you pay for.
[07:25] <Geist|Patrick> 2-6-11-1-k7 or 2-6-11-1-686?
[07:58] <steffen> hello, can anybody explain me how to make kdm as the default logon?
[07:59] <Speedy2> steffen: Are you currently using gdm ?
[07:59] <steffen> dpkg-reconfigure.... doesnt work
[07:59] <steffen> yes
[07:59] <steffen>  * Reloading K Display Manager configuration...                            [fail] 
[07:59] <steffen> invoke-rc.d: initscript kdm, action "reload" failed.
[07:59] <steffen> thats the message
[07:59] <Speedy2> steffen: I don't know the elegant way, but the quick way is to use something like "boot up-manager" ("bum") and manually disallow gdm to run and set kdm to run on start-up
[08:00] <steffen> have you a url for me?
[08:00] <Speedy2> steffen: Give me a second
[08:00] <steffen> thx ;-)
[08:01] <Speedy2> steffen: http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[08:01] <steffen> thx
[08:02] <Geist|Patrick> can i reset the displaymanager... or restart whatever without rebboting?
[08:03] <steffen> i think ctrl-alt-backspace
[08:03] <Speedy2> Yeah, that'll kill X quickly
[08:04] <Geist|Patrick> well.. no serious solution?
[08:06] <thoreauputic> Geist|Patrick: echo "/usr/bin/kdm" | sudo tee /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[08:07] <thoreauputic> assuming you want kdm
[08:08] <thoreauputic> then sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop , then from a vt, run sudo invoke-rc.d kdm start
[08:08] <thoreauputic> you would need to login in the vt, probably
[08:09] <nikkia> this is very annoying
[08:09] <nikkia> it doesn't help that trying to remove emacs results in apt trying to remove dpkg
[08:09] <Speedy2> nikkia: Maybe you can re-install emacs with synaptic ?
[08:10] <nikkia> speedy, i'm purging then reinstalling, hoping it'll fix
[08:10] <nikkia> marking it as 'reinstall' in aptitude didn't help tho
[08:10] <thoreauputic> Speedy2: I suspect nikkia knows how to use apt ;-)
[08:11] <thoreauputic> nikkia: seems odd that apt would try to remove dpkg when uninstalling emacs - weird in fact
[08:12] <nikkia> thoreauputic: there is a dpkg-el that provides some help for editing package manifests....
[08:12] <Speedy2> Later all
[08:12] <nikkia> by removing that, because emacs is gone, it seems to think dpkg is no longer used *shrug*
[08:12] <nikkia> we're deep into territory that i always hate about apt tho, sometimes it just makes crazy decisions
[08:13] <thoreauputic> nikkia: sounds like a bug in the removal scripts somewhere?
[08:13] <nikkia> oh, i'm past that anyway, just told it to stfu and keep the file
[08:13] <nikkia> it just irritates me when i have to do that
[08:14] <nikkia> 'handling install of emacs flavour: emacs'
[08:14] <nikkia> no, i removed that, stupid script
[08:15] <nikkia> still broke tho
[08:15] <nikkia> but not AS broke
[08:16] <nikkia> how strange
[08:16] <nikkia> 'xset fp rehash' fixed its complaining about missing fontsets
[08:31] <Mez> does anyone know a quick way to change what soundcard arts is outputting to (so I can listen on my USB headfones)
[08:32] <nikkia> mez, i suspect changing the setting  in kcontrol and hitting apply is about as fast as it gets
[08:33] <nikkia> i don't see anything in dcop that would suggest artsd was scriptable :/
[08:33] <Mez> oh there's an option in kcontrol?
[08:33] <nikkia> yeah, sound system
[08:33] <Mez> i thought I'd have to go edit loads of config files and stuff
[08:34] <Mez> ah, I have to override device and change that to the right dsp?
[08:34] <nikkia> yeah, i think so
[08:34] <nikkia> i think its just the name of the card in alsa
[08:34] <nikkia> assuming you're using alsa, which you probably are
[08:37] <Mez> it says no such file or directory
[08:38] <nikkia> what did you put in the field ?
[08:39] <Mez> /dev/dsp1
[08:40] <nikkia> no, thats not right
[08:40] <nikkia> try pcm1
[08:40] <nikkia> no /dev/ either
[08:40] <nikkia> just 'pcm1'
[08:41] <Mez> no such file or directory
[08:41] <nikkia> it might be easier to create aliases in asound.conf that point a symbolic name you can remember at the right device
[08:41] <nikkia> ah, try 'card1'
[08:41] <Geist|Patrick> :/
[08:41] <Geist|Patrick> i installed openoffice beta 2.0 and opera now
[08:42] <Geist|Patrick> but they have not been added to the menus?
[08:42] <Geist|Patrick> where did i make a mistake
[08:42] <nikkia> Geist|Patrick: no idea, OOo2 shows up in my menu
[08:43] <nikkia> below all the OOo1 stuff, there's 'OpenOffice.org 2 Writer' ...
[08:43] <Geist|Patrick> weired
[08:43] <Mez> nikkia, nopers
[08:43] <nikkia> mez, hmm, card0 works here, and refers, obviously, to the one card i have
[08:43] <nikkia> since i don't have 2 sound cards, i can't really test what a second card needs to be called there
[08:44] <nikkia> have you checked that you actually have both cards setup in alsa?
[08:44] <Mez> nikkia- I've been using both of them
[08:44] <nikkia> mez, do 'aplay -l' and see what it lists
[08:44] <Mez> the headset for skype thenormal for output
[08:45] <Mez> nikkia, #floo
[08:45] <Mez> d
[08:45] <Mez> #flood *
[08:45] <nikkia> i'm not on #flood
[08:45] <Mez> join it, caus eI aint flooding here :D
[08:46] <nikkia> go on, altho a pastebin would have worked better :P
[08:46] <nikkia> there you go...
[08:46] <nikkia> you want card2
[08:46] <nikkia> why on earth its skipped 'card1' is anyone's guess, but that's alsa for you
[08:46] <Mez> I tried card2 :D
[08:46] <Mez> but..
[08:46] <Mez> theres nothing there.
[08:47] <Mez> card1 = input only
[08:47] <nikkia> you probably have to unmute it
[08:47] <Mez> no it says
[08:47] <Mez> that it's not found
[08:47] <nikkia> ok, this is going to be a LONG flood, and a pastebin really would work better...
[08:47] <nikkia> but do aplay -L
[08:47] <Mez> device: card2 cannot be opend for playback (No such file)
[08:48] <Geist|Patrick> where might the opera-logo be...
[08:48] <Geist|Patrick> i cant find it :/
[08:48] <nikkia> mez, i have to go, my dinner smells ready...
[08:48] <Mez> what am i looking for nikkia?
[08:50] <nikkia> you're not, i wanted to see the output
[08:52] <Mez> I cant get it to output to a file
[08:52] <Mez> so I'm gonna #flood
[08:52] <nikkia> use 2>
[08:53] <nikkia> aplay -L outputs on stderr, thus you need to redirect stderr
[08:53] <nikkia> urgh, you're going to be locked out of typing anything for about 2 minutes now :P
[08:53] <nikkia> flood protection's a pain when its 200 lines or so :)
[08:55] <nikkia> heh
[08:55] <nikkia> i'd have gotten sick of it long before then :)
[08:56] <Mez> nikkia, http://pastebin.com/311406
[09:00] <Mez> I got it working
[09:00] <Mez> hw:2,0
[09:04] <worzel> Patrick, have a look at (opera?).desktop file
[09:04] <worzel> might be in /usr/share/applications
[09:05] <supernix> Anyone here have much experience with OpenOffice and HP printers?
[09:05] <Geist|Patrick> how do i get synaptic workin with kde?
[09:06] <kl> Geist|Patrick: install gksu
[09:06] <worzel> what's it not?
[09:06] <worzel> what's it not doing?
[09:07] <robhert> bye bye... gtg
[09:07] <worzel> or change command in .desktop file to kdesu
[09:08] <Geist|Patrick> i cant find gksu with kynoptic
[09:08] <Geist|Patrick> :/
[09:09] <Belutz> hai all
[09:12] <Geist|Patrick> kdesu doesnt work...
[09:12] <Geist|Patrick> usr/bin/synaptic not found :/
[09:12] <_buz> thats because there needs to be /usr/bin/synaptic
[09:12] <_buz> tho
[09:12] <_buz> kdesu synaptic works for me
[09:13] <Geist|Patrick> :/
[09:13] <Belutz> why i can't activate my eth1 ?
[09:14] <Geist|Patrick> can i simply copy it from sbin to usr/bin?
[09:15] <worzel> synaptic is superuser only
[09:15] <Geist|Patrick> ok
[09:15] <Geist|Patrick> now i get "Command '/usr/sbin/synaptic' not found."
[09:15] <Geist|Patrick> but i have installed it
[09:15] <Geist|Patrick> 4 sure
[09:15] <Geist|Patrick> :/
[09:21] <worzel> um? what happens if you Alt+F2 - kdesu synaptic <cr>
[09:21] <Geist|Patrick> command synaptic not found
[09:22] <fromoze> hi, any irc experimented user can explain me the differences between ksirc an konversation? I've the impresion they're the same program :/
[09:22] <worzel> can only suggest a re-install, works ok here
[09:22] <Geist|Patrick> can i install it with kynoptic?
[09:22] <fromoze> yes
[09:22] <Geist|Patrick> in which section cna i find synoptic?
[09:23] <worzel> or apt-get install synaptic (as superuser)
[09:23] <fromoze> ctrl+f and then write the name :)
[09:23] <Geist|Patrick> kynoptic has no search
[09:24] <Geist|Patrick> oh
[09:24] <Geist|Patrick> it has :O
[09:24] <nikkia> fromoze: all irc clients start to look very similar after a while
[09:24] <Geist|Patrick> but it doesnt list synoptic :/
[09:24] <nikkia> fromoze: but ksirc and konversation are two different programs
[09:24] <fromoze> nikkia: and is one better than other?
[09:25] <nikkia> dunno, i use neither
[09:25] <nikkia> i use kvirc
[09:25] <nikkia> irc programs tend to be personal taste, so i would suggest trying each for a day or so and seeing which you prefer
[09:25] <Geist|Patrick> do u have idea why i cant find taht tool?
[09:25] <Geist|Patrick> an*
[09:26] <nikkia> Geist|Patrick: i don't think synaptic is installed by default on kubuntu
[09:26] <nikkia> it wasn't on mine
[09:26] <nikkia> Geist|Patrick: you'll have to do sudo apt-get install synaptic  if you want to use it :)
[09:26] <fromoze> may be you misspell it?
[09:26] <Geist|Patrick> nikkia: i know
[09:26] <thoreauputic> Geist|Patrick: just do 'sudo apt-get install synaptic '
[09:26] <thoreauputic> nikkia: oops. too late ;)
[09:27] <fromoze> kvirc look to 'big' for me... but I'll try it
[09:27] <nikkia> fromoze, its very customisable
[09:28] <fromoze> Isn't yet disponible on breezy amd64 :/
[09:28] <Geist|Patrick>   synaptic: Hngt ab: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.7.2) ist aber nicht installierbar
[09:28] <Geist|Patrick>             Hngt ab: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) aber 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 soll installiert werden
[09:28] <Geist|Patrick>             Hngt ab: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) aber 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 soll installiert werden
[09:28] <Geist|Patrick>             Hngt ab: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-7) aber 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 soll installiert werden
[09:28] <Geist|Patrick>             Hngt ab: libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.4.2-2) ist aber nicht installierbar
[09:28] <Geist|Patrick>             Hngt ab: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0) ist aber nicht installierbar
[09:28] <Geist|Patrick>             Hngt ab: libncurses5 (>= 5.4-5) aber 5.4-4 soll installiert werden
[09:28] <Geist|Patrick>             Hngt ab: libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.1) ist aber nicht installierbar
[09:28] <Geist|Patrick>             Hngt ab: libvte4 (>= 1:0.11.11) ist aber nicht installierbar
[09:28] <Geist|Patrick> :/
[09:28] <nikkia> geist, STOP PASTING THINGS HERE
[09:28] <Geist|Patrick> k
[09:28] <Geist|Patrick> where do i find those libs?
[09:28] <nikkia> erm, in the repository
[09:29] <uniq> hello.
[09:29] <nikkia> evening uniq
[09:29] <uniq> hi nikkia.
[09:30] <hagen> Hi all
[09:31] <paines> hi
[09:31] <Geist|Patrick> i cant find most of those files 
[09:31] <Geist|Patrick> within kynaptic
[09:31] <Geist|Patrick> :/
[09:31] <nikkia> don't use kynaptic
[09:32] <nikkia> type, in a konsole window, 'sudo apt-get install synaptic'
[09:32] <paines> is there an faq regarding printer setup via kcontrolcenter->devices->printer
[09:32] <nikkia> paines: its mostly just CUPS
[09:33] <nikkia> paines, if you really want, you can configure a printer via cups without touching control center and it should appear in the list
[09:33] <nikkia> however, its easy enough to just follow the wizard through the steps
[09:37] <paines> well i did all that
[09:37] <paines> but the printer test doesn't give me an output
[09:37] <paines> and localhostz:631 shows me that I cannot change anything there
[09:38] <ubuntu> Hi, I'm using the kubuntu Live cd, how do I install it to my computer?
[09:38] <jesper> I haven't got the "shutdown" option when I try to log out of Kubuntu, anyone know where to enable it? 
[09:38] <_shawn_> does it log in with kdm?
[09:38] <jesper> No gdm
[09:39] <jesper> Does that effect the "logout" from within KDE?
[09:39] <_shawn_> ah I think so
[09:40] <thoreauputic> jesper: shutdown from within a DE is a function of the display manager (KDM in this case)
[09:40] <thoreauputic> jesper: so if you need that you need KDM
[09:41] <steffen> hi how can i install the java jdk on kubuntu?
[09:41] <jesper> Ok.. 
[09:42] <thoreauputic> steffen: go to #ubuntu and do /msg ubotu java  for instructions
[09:42] <steffen> ah thx
[09:42] <thoreauputic> steffen: ubotu is a bot and has that as a factoid
[09:43] <_gdh> steffen: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[09:44] <jesper> Thanks a lot, that worked. 
[09:44] <steffen> ah thx
[09:50] <steffen> the server from the website is down, can you me give another?
[09:50] <steffen> and how can i register me at this irc server?
[09:50] <Geist|Patrick> nikkia: well if i use the console
[09:50] <Geist|Patrick> i get that output i pasted above...
[09:51] <thoreauputic> steffen: /msg nickserv help
[09:51] <steffen> ah thx
[09:51] <nikkia> yay, finally!!
[09:52] <nikkia> fixed anti-aliasing
[09:52] <Geist|Patrick> btw. where can i modify language settings...
[09:52] <Geist|Patrick> actually its a stupid mix of german and english here :/
[09:53] <watto> yet another newbie with a "how do I" question: How do I install/run kubuntu on/from a thumb drive?
[09:54] <Geist|Patrick> :/
[09:54] <Geist|Patrick> i dont see a solution 
[09:56] <thoreauputic> Geist|Patrick: have you tried 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales ' ?
[09:59] <Geist|Patrick> k
[09:59] <Geist|Patrick> thx
[09:59] <Geist|Patrick> but synaptic still complains..
[10:00] <nikkia> you'll need to log out of kde and back in again, probably
[10:00] <supernix> anyone here compared Koffice to OpenOffice ?
[10:03] <jpatrick> Can someone help me get Firefox?
[10:04] <nikkia> isn't it already installed?
[10:04] <jpatrick> no
[10:05] <nikkia> jpatrick, not even as 'mozilla-firefox' ?
[10:05] <jpatrick> I can't see it anywhere
[10:06] <jpatrick> just Konqueror
[10:06] <nikkia> well, you want 'mozilla-firefox' in the package manager
[10:06] <jpatrick> ok
[10:07] <jpatrick> apt-get mozilla-firefox ?
[10:07] <nikkia> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[10:10] <Mez> nikkia,  did I tell you I got it working?
[10:10] <nikkia> mez, i saw
[10:10] <Mez> cool :D
[10:10] <Mez> was a long shot but it worked :D
[10:10] <nikkia> i was suprised it took you that long to get sick of the flood protection tho :P
[10:23] <mackinax> hello, I am a kubuntu LiveCD newbie. (don't know much about Linux in general...)  I was able to get the liveCD running, but my maximum display rez was only 640x480. Can anyone link me to a page that explains how I can access higher display resolutions? Thank you!
[10:23] <mackinax> ... will be AFK for a while
[10:24] <Geist|Patrick> restarting... 
[10:24] <mackinax> (btw, i am using Geforce 2 MX pci video)
[10:24] <ep> ok guys, sorry to be such a noob... Wanting bzflag ver 2 (apt only has version 1) so  I did dpkg -i bzflag_2.0 and ran into a dependency problem libcurl3 (>= 7.13.0-1)  my version is only 7.12 and its up to date.   So what is my next step?
[10:24] <watto> i must return to my junk shop, and try to get back later
[10:25] <ep> errr I did dbpg -i bzflag*.deb
[10:25] <ep> err dpkg
[10:57] <_glen> Hello.
[10:58] <_glen> How do I find my root password?
[10:59] <seth_k> hi _glen, Ubuntu doesn't use root passwords
[10:59] <seth_k> instead, everything is accomplished using "sudo"
[10:59] <seth_k> + your user password
[10:59] <seth_k> so instead of su'ing to root, simply preface commands with "sudo"
[10:59] <Geist|Patrick> well... a restart of kde didnt helped :/
[11:00] <Geist|Patrick> and the ui is still mixed up with english and german :/
[11:10] <glyph_> i use Ubuntu and i need klik
[11:17] <jpatrick> Can someone help me with partitions?
[11:20] <_ubuntu> How do I install Kubuntu from a livecd?
[11:21] <thoreauputic> _ubuntu: you don't
[11:21] <_ubuntu> I get the install cd?
[11:21] <thoreauputic> yup
[11:21] <_ubuntu> hmm
[11:21] <_ubuntu> How's the install procedure?
[11:21] <_ubuntu> GUI? or text-based
[11:21] <thoreauputic> pretty straightforward
[11:22] <thoreauputic> text/ncurses based
[11:22] <thoreauputic> but not difficult at all
[11:23] <ubuntu_> GUI then?
[11:23] <thoreauputic> no, text
[11:23] <thoreauputic> use tab and spacebar and arrow keys to navigate
[11:33] <SudoPus> Getting some strange problems in kontrol center...like when I try to use administrator mode..it accepts passwd then drops back to the network splash screen..doesn't matter which selection under network I choose..anyone help?
[11:33] <seth_k> SudoPus: a lot of that can be fixed by upgrading to KDE 3.4.1
[11:34] <SudoPus> seth_k: Ok..so I edited /etc/apt.sources list and removed the pound sign...what is the easiest way to upgrade? I run PPC..although I presume this should not matter..
[11:34] <SudoPus> and thank you for the input
[11:34] <seth_k> SudoPus: see /topic for the KDE 3.4.1 deb sources (last URL there)
[11:34] <SudoPus> Ok..thanks again :-O
[11:34] <seth_k> no worries
[11:34] <seth_k> good luck wit hit
[11:35] <SudoPus> You heard of any problems upgrading?
[11:35] <seth_k> nope
[11:35] <seth_k> it's a point upgrade
[11:35] <seth_k> just bugfixes
[11:35] <seth_k> and fully supported
[11:35] <seth_k> so should be no issues
[11:35] <SudoPus> great then..
[11:37] <doctor_salvia> yo
[11:40] <SudoPus> seth_k: I am seeing red dots to the left in kynaptic now that I added the repository copied and pasted from the topic link?
[11:41] <seth_k> SudoPus: you added deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main ?
[11:41] <SudoPus> No not the http option the other...guess I need to add it..ok then
[11:42] <seth_k> yeah, don't add the link in the topic :P
[11:42] <seth_k> click the link in the topic and add what it says there
[11:45] <SudoPus> seth_k: Here is what I got after I edited and then refreshed in Kynaptic:
[11:45] <SudoPus> Couldn't stat source package list http://download.kde.org hoary-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/download.kde.org_stable_3.4.1_kubuntu_dists_hoary-updates_main_binary-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[11:45] <SudoPus> So I guess there are none for PPC at this time
[11:45] <seth_k> no, there are
[11:46] <seth_k> use the kubuntu.org one
[11:46] <seth_k> oh, silly me
[11:46] <seth_k> you must Reload in Kynaptic before the errors will go away
[11:46] <SudoPus> I did that let me change it back to the way I had it before..this is killing me..heh
[11:46] <seth_k> i see the powerpc debs right now, on the kubuntu.org server
[11:47] <SudoPus> this is the one I am adding back...  deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main
[11:48] <seth_k> yes
[11:48] <Geist|Patrick> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/503
[11:49] <str> Hi there... anyone with a soundcard realtek AC97?
[11:50] <seth_k> Geist|Patrick: are you using non-ubuntu repositories?
[11:50] <seth_k> str, mine is
[11:50] <Geist|Patrick> no
[11:50] <str> seth_k: my kubuntu didn
[11:50] <Geist|Patrick> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/502
[11:50] <str> didn't condifure it...
[11:51] <str> seth_k: did you configure somethin?
[11:51] <Geist|Patrick> and i pasted in the wrong chan... actually a gui of #ubuntu tries helping me ;)
[11:51] <seth_k> Geist|Patrick: :)
[11:52] <seth_k> str: nope, just worked out-of-box
[11:52] <str> seth_k: I do have a /dev/audio... but it does not work...
[11:52] <seth_k> str, sounds like it's not a Kubuntu-specific problem; i'd ask in #ubuntu and they can point you to some general sound docs
[11:53] <str> seth_k: ok... thanks...
[11:53] <uniq> ?? sources.list
[11:53] <kinfo> [sources.list]  example /etc/apt/sources.list with all official repositories plus KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4 from kubuntu.org can be found at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/303802
[11:53] <seth_k> str, let me find one link that may help you
[11:53] <uniq> geist|patrick: you can look at the sourceslist at http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/303802 for a nice kde 3.4.1 and koffice 1.4 ready sources.list example.
[11:54] <str> seth_k: thanks again....
[11:54] <seth_k> str: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44753
[11:55] <str> seth_k: I do not have any /etc/asound.conf
[11:55] <jeanluc> hi
[11:55] <seth_k> str: you must create it
[11:55] <jeanluc> I just installed kubuntu
[11:56] <jeanluc> and I need some help
[11:56] <jeanluc> so someone who is knowledgable please pm me
[11:56] <SudoPus> jeanluc: Ask away
[11:56] <Geist|Patrick> well.. i try to install Synaptic
[11:56] <jeanluc> ok
[11:56] <Geist|Patrick> but it still fails
[11:56] <Geist|Patrick> :/
[11:56] <jeanluc> Well this is my first linux distro
[11:56] <jeanluc> so I want to install firefox
[11:56] <Geist|Patrick> uniq... i will save ur link ;)
[11:56] <seth_k> jeanluc: it's already installed
[11:57] <jeanluc> I do not see it
[11:57] <seth_k> Look in K Menu > Internet ?
[11:57] <jeanluc> yes
[11:57] <SudoPus> seth_k: Automatically in Kubuntu? I don't have it..or it didn't add a menu item to it...
[11:57] <jeanluc> well
[11:57] <jeanluc> I dloaded it for linux from there site
[11:57] <jeanluc> and extracted to homefolder
[11:58] <jeanluc> now how do I install?
[11:58] <SudoPus> jeanluc: Don't do that...use kynaptic and do a find for firefox
[11:58] <seth_k> jeanluc, if it isn't already installed, you should use Synaptic to install it
[11:58] <seth_k> er, Kynaptic
[11:58] <seth_k> jeanluc: put away your "install" mentality from Windows. Everything you need is in the apt repositories
[11:58] <jeanluc> where is this synaptic?
[11:58] <jeanluc> or kynaptic
[11:58] <seth_k> Kynaptic
[11:59] <seth_k> Should be in System
[11:59] <seth_k> I believe
[11:59] <Geist|Patrick> system packet manager
[11:59] <jeanluc> lol can you tell me how to get ehre?
[11:59] <Geist|Patrick> "paket manager"
[11:59] <Geist|Patrick> k-menu
[11:59] <Geist|Patrick> system
[11:59] <jeanluc> I have used windows all my life so Im a complete noob to this
[11:59] <seth_k> K Menu > System > Package Manager (Kynaptic)
[11:59] <spermie_411> hey
[11:59] <seth_k> hi
[11:59] <jeanluc> k
[11:59] <jeanluc> found it
[11:59] <seth_k> okay, search for firefox
[12:00] <spermie_411> hmmm where can i get Wolfenstein: Enemy Terrirory installer for linux?
[12:00] <jeanluc> I see no search option
[12:00] <SudoPus> seth_k: It isn't wanting to install firefox...does it need ubuntu desktop installed? It seems to detect and add the dependencies..
[12:00] <SudoPus> jeanluc: Use Ctrl+F
[12:00] <seth_k> SudoPus: it's erroring out on firefox?
[12:00] <SudoPus> jeanluc: And give it a second or two
[12:01] <SudoPus> Yea...
[12:01] <seth_k> (no, ubuntu-desktop is for ubuntu, kubuntu-desktop is for kubuntu)
[12:01] <jeanluc> ya
[12:01] <seth_k> SudoPus: are you using the US repos
[12:01] <seth_k> ?
[12:01] <jeanluc> a lot of stuff
[12:01] <jeanluc> came up
[12:01] <jeanluc> with
[12:01] <jeanluc> mozzila firefox
[12:01] <seth_k> a lot of those will be language packs
[12:01] <seth_k> things like that
[12:01] <jeanluc> ya
[12:01] <jeanluc> so what do I click to launch it?
[12:01] <SudoPus> hmmm..it installed some of it...just did updatedb...
[12:01] <seth_k> check the box
[12:01] <seth_k> then hit okay, and then the Commit button
[12:01] <jeanluc> all boxes?
[12:01] <seth_k> it will install
[12:02] <seth_k> no
[12:02] <SudoPus> I reran the find and then selected...now it has 3 more packages to install
[12:02] <seth_k> just the one for the Firefox package