[04:07] <lamont> fitsimage.C: In member function `void FitsImage::initWCS(FitsHead*)':
[04:07] <lamont> fitsimage.C:1763: error: array bound forbidden after parenthesized type-id
[04:07] <lamont> fitsimage.C:1763: note: try removing the parentheses around the type-id
[04:07] <lamont> make[3] : *** [fitsimage.o]  Error 1
[04:07] <lamont> make[3] : Leaving directory `/build/buildd/saods9-3.0.3/saotk/frame'
[04:08] <lamont>   // wcsinit is sloooowwww! so try to figure it out first
[04:08] <lamont>   wcs = new (WorldCoor*)[MULTWCS] ;
[04:08] <lamont> (1762-1763)
[04:08] <lamont> bummer
[05:02] <HostingGeek> You MOTUs deserve a reward
[05:02] <HostingGeek> So i am giving you each one of these keyboards
[05:03] <HostingGeek> so you can have fun typing
[05:03] <Lathiat> For putting up with you?
[07:21] <cmatheson> hey i've been using debian for forever and now i'm playing around w/ ubuntu (i like it), i want to be a motu, how can i help?
[07:47] <robitaille> cmatheson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU  is probably a good start to find something to do for the MOTU team.  Especially the TODO link near the end
[07:55] <cmatheson> robitaille: sounds good, thanks
[08:04] <pagefault> how does one begin maintaining a package in universe?
[08:06] <ivoks> well...
[08:07] <ivoks> you can create a package and put it on REVU
[08:07] <ivoks> someone will have to review it, but you will not be able to upload it
[08:08] <pagefault> ah ok, thats basically want I wanted to know, what I am supposed to do with the package once I have made it so it can be checkout/whatever has to be done before it can go into the repository
[08:13] <siretart> moin
[08:14] <ivoks> TypeError: 'gtk.VBox' object is not callable
[08:14] <ivoks> give me a break, man :)
[08:14] <pagefault> hehe
[08:15] <siretart> pagefault: you should get yout package in a supportable way, i.e. other motus must be able to adapt where necessary
[08:16] <pagefault> i'm not quite sure what you mean
[08:16] <bienve> hi all
[08:16] <siretart> hi bienve
[08:16] <bienve> MOTU spanish exist ?
[08:16] <ivoks> :)
[08:16] <ivoks> english only
[08:17] <bienve> me create packetes for ubuntu :)
[08:17] <bienve> :(
[08:17] <siretart> pagefault: your requirements aren't that high, but as all packageas are group maintained, the package should be packaged sane, is this more clear? (I'm no native speaker :( )
[08:17] <pagefault> siretart, ah yeah I understand, easy to change if need be, no problem
[08:19] <siretart> bienve: great! :)
[08:19] <pagefault> the maintainer for the package I am updating seems to have vanished off the face of the planet
[08:20] <siretart> pagefault: if you want to take over maintaining, go on! :)
[08:20] <pagefault> I don't think it ever had an ubuntu maintainer, the package that was included in multiverse in hoary was from debian
[08:21] <ivoks> khm...
[08:21] <ivoks> multiverse are non-free universe packages
[08:21] <pagefault> I have no idea why it would be in non-free
[08:21] <pagefault> because it is
[08:21] <ivoks> and they are taken from debian
[08:21] <ivoks> what package are we talking about?
[08:21] <pagefault> zsnes
[08:21] <siretart> pagefault: it is in debian/contrib
[08:22] <siretart> pagefault: the reason is that it requires non-free additional software to work
[08:22] <ivoks> yep
[08:22] <pagefault> well there are free roms
[08:22] <pagefault> it doesn't require it :)
[08:23] <siretart> pagefault: well, go on and package it, perhaps we can move them to universe, then ;)
[08:23] <pagefault> i'm one of the authors of the project btw, i'm just wanting to see the package in ubuntu since it's my main distro now
[08:28] <siretart> ah. you are pretty welcome to help us with zsnes. that what's universe is about :)
[08:28] <siretart> pagefault: great project btw, I use it from time to time ;)
[08:29] <pagefault> siretart, thanks, I just wanted to make sure the package was kept up to date due to the nature of emulation having the latest version usually helps
[08:29] <pagefault> and some people seem to have difficulty compiling it themselves
[08:29] <siretart> yes, thats right
[08:30] <siretart> pagefault: what problems are there with the current zsnes package?
[08:30] <siretart> outdated? packaging bugs?
[08:30] <pagefault> outdated
[08:30] <pagefault> very outdated :)
[08:30] <siretart> oh. I see
[08:30] <siretart> pagefault: do you think you can update it yourself?
[08:31] <pagefault> and we have nice icons and such since then so it would be good to have it added to the gnome menu
[08:31] <siretart> woah, sound great! :)
[08:31] <pagefault> siretart, pretty sure, I am going to look at the original package and go from there
[08:31] <siretart> are the icons in the upstream tarball?
[08:32] <siretart> it would probably best if the upstream tarball would contain a neat .desktop file
[08:32] <siretart> then integretion into gnome and kde menus would be easy (.desktop file is a standard from freedesktop.org)
[08:32] <pagefault> it should be in the tarball, yes
[08:32] <pagefault> 5 or so icons for different scalings
[08:33] <pagefault> maybe it would be better to include a SVG file?
[08:33] <siretart> hm
[08:33] <siretart> not sure about that part
[08:42] <pagefault> they are just PNGs right now
[08:51] <pagefault_> how rude
[08:58] <pagefault> that was dangerous
[08:58] <pagefault> I ejected my cdrom and the disc was still spinning
[08:59] <Treenaks> pagefault: now all you need is a shuriken-shaped CD
[09:00] <pagefault> i've been meaning to replace this cdrom
[09:00] <pagefault> maybe I turn it into a cd flinger
[09:15] <pagefault> I wonder if we are done splitting
[10:46] <\sh> hmmm
[10:46] <\sh> anybody is running a flgrx driver on breezy?
[10:47] <Treenaks> \sh: I would, if someone would create l-r-m-2.6.12
[10:59] <\sh> yeah
[10:59] <\sh> but I tried with the orig. ones..doesn't work..
[11:08] <\sh> compiling again wine
[11:08] <\sh> they're a lot of diffs between debian and winehq *shiver*
[11:10] <siretart> \sh: I see that scott ritchi is providing source packages for wine, but I havn't had a look at them yet
[11:11] <\sh> well...the source is ok...the configs etc. are different...and to adjust those stuff...it takes more time as expected
[11:11] <\sh> did we heard anything about a vserver yet`
[11:12] <siretart> no, I havn't
[11:13] <siretart> but since many folks are at debconf, I'd rather wait a week or two more..
[11:13] <\sh> yes
[11:15] <ogra> \sh, marks decision was to go with the winehq packages for the future :-/
[11:15] <siretart> \sh: sistpoty and I have decided to rewrite revu anyway, now that know what we exactly know what want, and where the problems in current implementation are
[11:16] <siretart> current codename is revu2 ;)
[11:16] <ogra> \sh, and it would be good to contact scott richie about it ...
[11:16] <\sh> ogra: i thought sire'n'sisters ,-)
[11:16] <\sh> ogra: yepp
[11:16] <ogra> heh
[11:17] <\sh> oh....klaus came just to me and kissed my feet, cause my msn transport is working on my jabber *rotfl*
[11:17] <ogra> i had some very controversal discussions with him before hoary, so it would also be good if it wasnt me who contacts him :)
[11:17] <siretart> :)
[11:17] <ogra> \sh, lol
[11:18] <\sh> ogra: can u update me what was the discussion about? not that i'm running into the same dead end? ,-)
[11:18] <ogra> i wanted him to work with the DD and bring his changes into debian...
[11:19] <\sh> but?
[11:19] <ogra> they didnt come together... because the DD was very ill and scott didnt try again after he was fine again.... the DD would have liked to include scotts patches/packages, but scott refused to talk again to him
[11:19] <\sh> lets do it the other way...try to be a catalysator
[11:20] <ogra> so they were stuck, and i decided we should go with the debian packages
[11:20] <ogra> \sh, the debian wine guy is *very* shy... he doesnt talk to everyone... not ven on IRC
[11:21] <\sh> shy?
[11:21] <ogra> you need a very diplomatic skill to get these two together
[11:21] <ogra> yes
[11:21] <\sh> shy as in gay, or shy as in young?
[11:22] <ogra> shy as in shy
[11:22] <ogra> shy as in: "he is fearing communication"
[11:22] <\sh> wrong job, he?
[11:23] <ogra> \sh, you dont need to get them together, we (mark) want the winehq packages
[11:23] <Treenaks> ogra, \sh: schchtern?
[11:23] <ogra> so its up to them to arrrange it
[11:23] <ogra> Treenaks, yep
[11:23] <ogra> Treenaks, dug out your  again ? *G*
[11:24] <Treenaks> ogra: it's not that hard with multi_key
[11:24] <ogra> heh
[11:24] <siretart> ;)
[11:25] <\sh> ogra: if I inject the winehq packages for breezy (latest off. release), do I get an icecream? ,-)
[11:25] <ogra> \sh, two !! (one from me, one from mark)
[11:26] <\sh> no..from mark i want biltong ,-)
[11:26] <ogra> heh
[11:26] <\sh> ogra: centericq ,-)
[11:26] <Treenaks> ogra: killall is your friend
[11:26] <ogra> nah, it will behave again within 10mins....
[11:26] <\sh> new upload?
[11:27] <ogra> its just anoying
[11:27] <Treenaks> ogra: submit patches then :P
[11:27] <ogra> Treenaks, i would if i had time...
[11:27] <ogra> but people poking me about the ugly lock screen are getting annoying... so first i have to work out my patches here....
[11:28] <ogra> edubuntu just got recognized by the UN .... so some people waiting for stuff from my side now...
[11:29] <\sh> well...i was surprised a bit reading ubuntu is getting 10 Mio bucks and then I read, it's mark who is pushing them in...would be nice.somebody else would put some money on top of it
[11:31] <dholbach> morning
[11:32] <ogra> \sh, the fundation will make its own money at some point... until then mark will fund it
[11:32] <ogra> hi dholbach
[11:33] <dholbach> hey ogra - how's it going on this lovely day? :)
[11:34] <comadreja> howdy all
[11:34] <ogra> dholbach, a bit under pressure.... i was just told the UN would like to see a edubuntu presentation next thursday
[11:35] <dholbach> *BLING!*   W H O ?   *BLING!*
[11:35] <Treenaks> _the_ UN?
[11:35] <ogra> and on a sidenote i'm discussing with elmo about the non-freeness of squeak and if and how we can include it... so no UN presentation in sight yet
[11:36] <ogra> Treenaks, yes, they have a funding program for african schools
[11:36] <dholbach> because of one package?
[11:36] <ogra> dholbach, because of about 30-40 packages... look at xorg and dependent stuff :/
[11:37] <ogra> i cant build my seeds if they rely on broken packages so edubuntu-desktop still has to wait
[11:37] <dholbach> first you talk about squeak and now about what?
[11:37] <ogra> i talk about missing time, packages etc...
[11:37] <Treenaks> squeak = smalltalk thing?
[11:37] <dholbach> ah hm well - what did mdz/kamion say to all this?
[11:37] <Lathiat> whats squeak?
[11:37] <ogra> Treenaks, yep
[11:38] <ogra> dholbach, what should they say, nobody expects xorg and dependent packages to work during development
[11:38] <Treenaks> ogra: they should start stabilizing I guess..
[11:38] <ogra> Lathiat, a multimedia teaching environment and smalltalk interpreter
[11:39] <dholbach> yeah - but don't they have a solution?
[11:39] <ogra> dholbach, i could strike missing packages out of the seeds ... but then i had to change them constantly
[11:40] <ogra> and i rather dont *pfusch*
[11:40] <dholbach> oh well
[11:40] <dholbach> did you read daniels' reply on ubuntu-devel@ ?
[11:40] <ogra> yes... but that still doesnt make celestia work for example :)
[11:43] <dholbach> make a public edubuntu-todo-list - that's what made universe work :)
[11:44] <ogra> dholbach, i have to care for ~100 pkgs for edubuntu... thats not even worth a list...
[11:44] <dholbach> that's your opinion :)
[11:45] <ogra> 30-40 of them dont work curretnly, but will work if the underlying architecture is there again... its just a matter of patience
[11:45] <\sh> dholbach: what about it?
[11:45] <\sh> there were many daniels mails ,-)
[11:45] <dholbach> \sh: he explained correct GL build-depends
[11:45] <ogra> dholbach, the edubuntu development is fine as it is...
[11:45] <dholbach> that's great to hear
[11:46] <ogra> dholbach, the thing is, that we are simply not ready for presentations
[11:46] <\sh> dholbach: oh..:) he explained also unexpected missing links ,-)
[11:46] <ogra> dholbach, but people demand them :)
[11:46] <\sh> compiling straight winehq packages...now
[11:46] <\sh> and after that i will switch from 20050524 to 20050628
[11:47] <dholbach> winehq-debian packages?
[11:47] <dholbach> ogra: then present what you can: a nice ubuntu desktop with *SOME* of the apps
[11:47] <\sh> dholbach: yepp
[11:47] <ogra> dholbach, i dont have a nice ubuntu desktop
[11:47] <comadreja> how does the review process work ? Does a package need to be reviewed by several people ?
[11:47] <ogra> dholbach, we dont have a working colony CD
[11:47] <ogra> dholbach, thats my base
[11:47] <dholbach> \sh: they drop quite a lot of binary packages in there - make sure you have a 2nd look
[11:48] <dholbach> comadreja: a NEW package has to get 3 good reviews
[11:48] <\sh> dholbach: right now the deb upstream doesn't work.
[11:48] <dholbach> comadreja: MOTUNewPackagesPolicy on the wiki
[11:48] <comadreja> dholbach : it's an update
[11:48] <\sh> dholbach: the 20050628 snapshot is working for breezy with gcc4
[11:48] <dholbach> comadreja: then just one
[11:48] <ogra> dholbach, and just botching up something would steal my develpment time for the real thing
[11:48] <\sh> but scott also compiled a package for breezy
[11:48] <Amaranth> so, what's X like today?
[11:48] <dholbach> \sh: we had big trouble with the wine packages - be sure to talk to the debian maintainer before you upload anything
[11:48] <ogra> dholbach, and would shed a bad light on edubuntu
[11:48] <comadreja> could somebody review kismet then for me ?
[11:49] <\sh> dholbach: ogra told me, that mark wants winehq packages in ubuntu
[11:50] <dholbach> i'd rather appreciate concordance with the debian folks
[11:50] <ogra> dholbach, marks ord is get the winehq packages in as soon as possible, dont care about debian here... he was a bit upset because he didnt notice that winehq and debian still dont work together
[11:50] <ogra> s/ord/order
[11:50] <dholbach> ogra: when?
[11:50] <ogra> dholbach, in london last week
[11:50] <Amaranth> doesn't winehq make debian packages every two weeks or something
[11:50] <dholbach> *grmbl*
[11:51] <ogra> we discussed wine at the edubunt summit
[11:51] <\sh> i don't mind using winehq or debian, as long i can get my tax soft running
[11:51] <dholbach> Amaranth: yeah, but they dropped some binary packages (split-out shared objects)
[11:51] <ogra> and he was beliving we had pulled in the hq packages as soon as breezy stared
[11:51] <Amaranth> wha?
[11:51] <dholbach> Amaranth: hm?
[11:52] <Amaranth> you lost me
[11:52] <dholbach> ogra: i guess that's UbuntuAndUpstreams :)
[11:52] <ogra> dholbach, so its a sabdfl decision.... dont care about debian if it comes to wine packages.. the upstreams have to sort it themselves...
[11:52] <ogra> ...but we go with winehq
[11:53] <dholbach> Amaranth: debian package has some more binary packages like libwine-* or something, winehq deploys one big package, which ... hmm, is ... ....
[11:53] <Amaranth> why is wine so important for edubuntu?
[11:53] <ogra> Amaranth, it isnt
[11:53] <ogra> Amaranth, we just discussed it
[11:53] <\sh> what about vmware workstation on every ubuntu cd?
[11:53] <Treenaks> \sh: non-free
[11:53] <\sh> but there r some pitfalls
[11:53] <\sh> Treenaks: with key ,-)
[11:53] <ogra> wine wont be in edubuntu for now... if we have a big user demand, we'll get it in breezy+1 for edubuntu
[11:53] <dholbach> ouch
[11:54] <Lathiat> also x86 only
[11:54] <Amaranth> wine probably doesn't fit the target audience
[11:54] <dholbach> ok, i'm off again
[11:54] <\sh> everybody who is using vmware has to test at least 3 daily iso snaps a week
[11:54] <ogra> wine does... but the configuration issues dont
[11:54] <ogra> and the licensing issues
[11:54] <Amaranth> i mean crossover office would be a better fit
[11:54] <ogra> Amaranth, still licensing probs
[11:55] <Treenaks> Amaranth: crossover office is wine with some tweaks, afaik?
[11:55] <Amaranth> yeah, i wasn't saying ship it
[11:55] <Amaranth> Treenaks: With lots of GUIs and hand holding.
[11:55] <\sh> it's just like transgaming
[11:56] <ogra> the problem here is not the emu, the problem are the app... edubuntu will be ltsp based... so you can use single licensed windows software in a multiuser env, and break te eula
[11:57] <ogra> so we would make a lot of teachers outlaws :)
[11:57] <\sh> great ;) those teachers buged me in the past...let them be hunted down *lol*
[11:57] <ogra> hehe
[11:58] <\sh> only inprisoned teachers are good teachers (finally in germany) *eg*
[11:59] <Treenaks> ogra: Make that very clear :)
[11:59] <Lathiat> is there some way i can search through main only with apt-cache search
[12:00] <Treenaks> ogra: and re-write the windows programs as free software in python or something (cross-platform)
[12:00] <ogra> Treenaks, i dont care if they install it themselves then its their own fault... i just dont want them to step into this trap out of the box ;)
[12:01] <dholbach> Lathiat: python-apt is your friend there or grep-dctrl
[12:01] <ogra> and yes, i will try to support edu app development for the future... lets see how edubuntu evolves, but i think for breezy+1 we can have some bountys
[12:02] <ogra> (like developing a big red warning popup for wine users *gg*)
[12:02] <Amaranth> hehe
[12:03] <Amaranth> so, what were you using the xdg menu system for again?
[12:03] <Lathiat> dholbach: thanks
[12:03] <ogra> Amaranth, see TeachersPet on the edubuntu.org wiki
[12:04] <ogra> Amaranth, i want the ability to make different menus for different groups of pupils
[12:04] <Amaranth> ah
[12:04] <Amaranth> groups will be a PITA
[12:04] <ogra> with a easy drag and drop solution where the teacher just drops the apps for his class...
[12:04] <Amaranth> haha
[12:04] <Amaranth> as long as his apps are .desktop files the next version of smeg will support that
[12:05] <ogra> so every class is a group and you just have to select your class as a teacher and the pupils have the preselected apps
[12:05] <Amaranth> that'll probably need some ldap hackery
[12:05] <ogra> i'll look into it...
[12:06] <Treenaks> Amaranth: ave you seen sabayon?
[12:06] <Amaranth> ooh, neat idea: make nautilus provide .desktop file data on DnD of any file
[12:06] <ogra> i'll get something that very much matches the TeachersPet spec during this week... there are edu distros already using such a tool
[12:06] <Amaranth> Treenaks: Yeah.
[12:06] <Amaranth> Treenaks: I've seen that it'll probably be a year before it's useful. :P
[12:06] <ogra> but i doubt it will go in without tweaks :)
[12:07] <ogra> sabayon already works
[12:07] <ogra> but it only locks down gconf stuff.... not very helpful if you have to deal with mixed desktops
[12:11] <tseng> does X still work?
[12:11] <tseng> :P
[02:11] <\sh> hm
[02:11] <ogra> mh ?
[02:11] <\sh> ready to upload wine-0.0.20050628
[02:11] <\sh> from winehq
[02:12] <ogra> contacted scoot richie ?
[02:12] <ogra> scott
[02:12] <\sh> nope...just tried first...i will write him an email now
[02:12] <ogra> yes, please :)
[02:12] <ogra> and thanks for doing the task
[02:13] <\sh> the debian release and last stable from winehq is not working with gcc4
[02:13] <ogra> i'm wondering if they have the promised ppc and amd64 support yet
[02:14] <\sh> trial and error upload? ,-)
[02:14] <ogra> heh
[02:16] <\sh> can I refer to marks statement, that we want to have winehq packages in ubuntu?
[02:16] <ogra> yep
[02:16] <\sh> thx
[02:16] <ogra> there must also be a mail in the ubuntu-devel archive....
[02:17] <\sh> would be nice, if you can find this mail asap ;) cause I don't want to open another mutt now ,-)
[02:17] <siretart> WOAH!
[02:18] <Lathiat> :)
[02:19] <ogra> \sh, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-March/005545.html
[02:20] <ogra> \sh, please read also this thread for background info http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-March/005456.html
[02:20] <\sh> ogra: owe u one :)
[02:27] <\sh> ogra: u have mail as bcc
[02:27] <ogra> thanks :)
[02:27] <\sh> friendly, bribing, *** licking mail ,-)
[02:27] <\sh> he should reply soon and say "yes, i love u all"
[02:29] <\sh> oh he is motu already?
[02:30] <ogra> nope
[02:30] <\sh> "I even got approved as an MOTU
[02:30] <\sh> back in the days of yore, although due to lack of keysigning I haven't
[02:30] <\sh> passed the final muster yet."
[02:30] <\sh> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-March/005501.html
[02:31] <dholbach> that's wrong
[02:31] <\sh> ah...yeah I see...*readingallthenonsensenow*
[02:31] <ogra> \sh, thats why i asked you to read the whole thread, there is a lot nonsense in it :)
[02:32] <\sh> i don't mind...I put honey in this mail, and it's smelling like roseflower
[02:32] <\sh> he will talk to me
[02:32] <schweeb> holy crap, I want to hump daniels's leg now
[02:32] <schweeb> the xorg changelog is insane
[02:33] <\sh> I'm a nice guy anyways *withmyeyesblink
[02:33] <tseng> schweeb: uh
[02:33] <tseng> remember when i said id get back at you?
[02:34] <schweeb> of course, I do, senor hale
[02:34] <tseng> thanks for doing it yourself.
[02:35] <schweeb> don't think you can get out of it that easily
[02:37] <\sh> hmmmm
[02:37] <\sh> well...i looks like most of the guys are positiv to have this winehq stuff inside ubuntu
[02:39] <ogra> \sh, sweet mail :)
[02:39] <\sh> as i said: honey and roseflower
[02:39] <ogra> \sh, yes, but they are lacking a lot... and if you programmed some VB scripts and packaged them in a deb in debian, they wont work on ubuntu
[02:40] <tseng> uh?
[02:40] <tseng> wow.
[02:40] <\sh> ogra: well...that's a problem with wine anyways...it doesn't work as expected
[02:41] <ogra> \sh, nope, i mean the packaging... the debia packages are split in varoius libwine-something packages...
[02:41] <ogra> these are missing completely in winehq
[02:41] <ogra> so we get 100% incompatible to debian
[02:42] <\sh> ogra: as I understand scott, it isn't...only that he's not doing all this weired: Every Lib has its own package thing...
[02:42] <\sh> let me have a look
[02:42] <ogra> \sh, yes, thats the point
[02:43] <ogra> \sh, i know some people that package VB scripts in debs for easy installation...they would have dependency issues...
[02:43] <\sh> they're doing what?
[02:43] <Lathiat> vb scripts?
[02:44] <ogra> sure, you can run them in wine
[02:44] <\sh> ogra: u r right, those people have dependency issues
[02:44] <\sh> i hear many weired stuff.
[02:45] <ogra> Lathiat, embedded excel stuff run via samba .... (they call that programming somehow)
[02:45] <Lathiat> ogra: oh you mean as in visual kbasic scripts?
[02:45] <ogra> Lathiat, i didnt mean victoria bitter beer with VB :)
[02:45] <Lathiat> well i figured
[02:46] <Lathiat> but i was hoping someone didnt say someone used vbscript in a debian package
[02:46] <Lathiat> and that vbscript was some new k-rad random scripting language
[02:46] <ogra> Lathiat, its crazy, but you can do it :)
[02:46] <\sh> ogra: but u mean they're using VB script as install scripts for linux apps?
[02:47] <\sh> in debian postinstall stuff?
[02:47] <\sh> call wine install.vb.script
[02:47] <\sh> ?
[02:47] <ogra> nope, lol
[02:47] <dholbach> see you later
[02:48] <ogra> they just have packages that copy the scripts to appropriate places to use them via samba froma server
[02:48] <\sh> now i need some winegums...this shock ,-)
[02:48] <ogra> the scripts themselves are mostly embedded office crap
[02:48] <\sh> ogra: they should have a look at cfengine
[02:48] <ogra> \sh, they should learn a programming language ;)
[02:49] <\sh> ehe...i need some winegums...brb
[03:03] <\sh> back
[03:07] <\sh> ogra: I put this issue on the tb agenda for tomorrow
[03:07] <ogra> hmm, shouldnt we wait until scott answers ?
[03:07] <ogra> just mention it in the meeting...
[03:08] <ogra> we shouldt discuss it without scott
[03:08] <\sh> no...I will mention it to the TB..and that I mailed Scott..if Scott is not helping us, we will do it on our own
[03:09] <ogra> yep
[03:09] <\sh> scott is a nice to have,yes, and if mark has a good contact to him, would be great if he would use it to get him into this team
[03:27] <siretart> hi sistpoty
[03:27] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[05:37] <pef> hello
[07:16] <slomo> is it ok to build a package explicit with gcc 3.3 when it can't be build with 4.0... there are no compile-time errors, just sporadic segmentation faults when running it
[07:17] <Treenaks> slomo: fix the code ;)
[07:17] <Treenaks> (but I don't know an answer to that)
[07:19] <slomo> sure that would be the best ;) but i can't fix the code as it's too complex for me... it's a compiler ;)
[07:39] <jbailey> slomo: What's the error you're getting?
[07:39] <jbailey> slomo: (You can often find someone here with the skills to help)
[07:40] <slomo> jamessan: just a segfault when running the compiled program
[07:40] <jbailey> The basic trick is that it's going to need to be fixed anyway.  It seems better in most cases to try and get it fixed if possible.  If it's impossible, I'd check with ogra and the other master MOTUs before doing it.
[07:41] <jbailey> slomo: Was that intended for me? =)
[07:41] <comadreja> I'm getting this with pbuilder clean:
[07:41] <slomo> yes... sorry ;)
[07:41] <comadreja> rmdir: `/var/cache/pbuilder/build/18055/dev': Device or resource busy
[07:41] <comadreja> rmdir: `/var/cache/pbuilder/build/18055/.dev': Device or resource busy
[07:41] <comadreja> rmdir: `/var/cache/pbuilder/build/18055': Directory not empty
[07:41] <comadreja> rmdir: `/var/cache/pbuilder/build/': Directory not empty
[07:42] <jbailey> slomo: So unchanged, the code works in gcc-3.3, and segfaults when compiled with gcc-4.0?
[07:42] <Treenaks> comadreja: udev-inside-chroot
[07:42] <comadreja> Treenaks : thanks a lot
[07:43] <comadreja> Treenaks : how do I do that :D
[07:44] <Treenaks> comadreja: no, that's the cause :)
[07:45] <Treenaks> I don't know the solution
[07:45] <comadreja> Treenaks : oh, I see... should I reboot
[07:45] <Treenaks> comadreja: no, just unmount those /var/cache/.../dev dirs
[07:45] <comadreja> I can't login
[07:45] <Treenaks> weird...
[07:46] <slomo> jbailey: yes... so it's probably a code generation bug in gcc 4.0...
[07:47] <jbailey> slomo: Well... it's just as likely to be crappy code.
[07:47] <jbailey> Which package?
[07:47] <comadreja> slomo : yes, try to debug, you can could find the problem
[07:47] <slomo> jbailey: smlnj
[07:50] <jbailey> Ugh, circular build-deps that can't be met on powerpc.
[07:53] <jbailey> slomo: I don't have an ia32 system handy at the moment to debug this on, sorry.
[07:54] <jbailey> slomo: But otherwise, there have been two bugfix releases since the one we have in the archive.  Neither mentions gcc-4 compatability fixes specifically, but there are some notes about wrong code generation.
[07:54] <slomo> jbailey: yes the package is completely broken in breezy and hoary ;) that's why i work on it... currently i can get working x86 and ppc binaries
[07:54] <slomo> jbailey: i'm working on the latest version ;)
[07:55] <jbailey> Ah, lovely.  If you compile at -O0 does the compiler stop segfaulting?
[07:55] <slomo> good idea... wait a moment, i'll try it
[07:56] <Riddell> if I upload a new package with someone else's e-mail address but signed by me where does the NEW e-mail go?
[07:56] <comadreja> damn, now I get another pbuilder error:
[07:57] <comadreja> Setting up wget (1.9.1-10ubuntu2.1) ...
[07:57] <comadreja> touch: cannot touch `/var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp': No such file or directory
[07:57] <comadreja> E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'touch /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp'
[07:57] <comadreja> E: Sub-process returned an error code
[07:57] <comadreja>  -> Aborting with an error
[07:59] <sledmouth> hello
[07:59] <Treenaks> hello?
[08:00] <sledmouth> i'm interested in xfce4 on ubuntu...
[08:00] <Treenaks> apt-get install xfce4
[08:04] <slomo> jbailey: it work's with gcc 4.0 and -O0 at least on x86... at least the resulting sml compiler can compile it's own libraries without any segfaults
[08:05] <sledmouth> also , i want a very small usb 802.11g for my ibook g4 (for obvious reasons); any suggestions
[08:06] <slomo> sledmouth: i'm using a dlink dwl-122 but it's hard to get it working
[08:07] <jbailey> slomo: 'kay.  What I'd be inclned to do is to repeat the test with -O1.  If it works there then you either have to decide that you feel like hunting down the bug and reporting it (It could still be either a bad aliasing problem or some black magic inside a garbage collector or somehing in the program, or it could be a gcc code generation problem) or leaving it at -O1 for now, and revisiting it when gcc-4.1 comes out on the
[08:07] <jbailey> assumption that someone else will have gotten to it.
[08:07] <jbailey> It really depends on how brave you feel.
[08:07] <jbailey> Tracking down bugs caused by changing optimisation levels can be a fun adventure.  Some times that adventure is best done over a bottle of whiskey.
[08:07] <jbailey> I'd encourage you to try it if you have the time, though.
[08:11] <slomo> hehe... i think i'll first upload a working package using -O1... then report the bug upstream and then look further into this but I don't think i'll find the problem... that's at the moment a bit too hard for my knowledge
[08:11] <slomo> hum... and it don't work with -O1 :(
[08:12] <jbailey> slomo: Assuming you're willing to continue, the next trick is to figure out which optimisation is causing the grief.  That will also hint as to what sort of problem you might be looking for.
[08:13] <jbailey> slomo:  According to the man page, the following are the optimisations at -O1 -fdefer-pop -fdelayed-branch -fguess-branch-probability -fcprop-registers -floop-optimize -fif-conversion -fif-conversion2 -ftree-ccp -ftree-dce -ftree-dominator-opts -ftree-dse -ftree-ter -ftree-lrs -ftree-sra -ftree-copyrename -ftree-fre -ftree-ch -fmerge-constants
[08:13] <jbailey> Err, that should be -fdelayed-branch
[08:14] <jbailey> You could try running the compiler through gdb with what you have already, but its awfully nice to kill most of the optimisations that you can while debugging.
[08:15] <slomo> ok... i'll try later :) can i ask you when i have any further questions regarding this?
[08:15] <jbailey> slomo: Yup.  If I don't notice you here (either because I'm not watching #u-motu or I'm not around) try #ubuntu-toolchain
[08:17] <slomo> thanks :)
[08:20] <comadreja> I need help with pbuilder, I keep getting an error and I don't know if it's a bug or is something I'm doing wrong
[08:20] <comadreja> Setting up build-essential (10.1ubuntu1) ...
[08:20] <comadreja> touch: cannot touch `/var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp': No such file or directory
[08:20] <comadreja> E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'touch /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp'
[08:21] <comadreja> I get that when doing a "pbuilder create --distribution hoary"
[08:34] <slomo> jbailey: the gcc manual/manpage is wrong... with all these parameters it works without a problem
[08:48] <slomo> jamessan: at least -fcrossjumping -fthread-jumps are also activated by -O1... both written to be activated only beginning from -O2
[08:48] <slomo> aah... i meant jbailey
[08:49] <jbailey> Ugh.
[08:51] <slomo> jbailey: and -fcrossjumping seems to be the evil switch... i'll retry with -O1 -fno-crossjumping and when that works with -O2 -fno-crossjumping...
[08:52] <ogra> hey herve
[08:52] <herve> heya!
[08:53] <jbailey> slomo: Right, or if you can do the build with just -fcrossjumping, and use gdb to find where you get the segfault., look at the code and see if you can make a testcase out of it.
[08:55] <slomo> jbailey: well, let's hope it crashes with just -O0 -fcrossjumping...
[08:56] <jbailey> slomo: If it does, that's ideal.
[09:03] <slomo> jbailey: no, it's not just -fcrossjumping :( i'll try further which switches are causing the trouble...
[09:04] <jbailey> slomo: Well, can you feed it through gdb as it is and step to the failing instruction?
[09:10] <slomo> jbailey: sure, i'll try that... i've compiled it with -g a few minutes ago (and otherwise with the crashing parameters) and it worked :/
[09:10] <siretart> ivoks: ping
[09:11] <jbailey> slomo: If you can, use -g3 to get more debug information.
[09:11] <jbailey> Ugh, it doesn't fail with the debug information in.  Joy.
[09:11] <ivoks> siretart: tabel tenis :)
[09:11] <ivoks> table even :))
[09:11] <siretart> hehe
[09:11] <siretart> ivoks: I managed to patch wifi-radar so it is usable on madwifi
[09:12] <siretart> :)
[09:12] <ivoks> really?
[09:12] <ivoks> send me a patch :)
[09:12] <siretart> yeah. the problem is that the SCANNING_TIMEOUT is irrelevant
[09:12] <ivoks> or you can take source, patch it, and upload it
[09:12] <siretart> I want to discuss it with you first
[09:12] <siretart> ivoks: at the end of the scanning thread, there is a 'sleep ( 0.5 )' call, right?
[09:13] <ivoks> sec...
[09:13] <siretart> this 0.5 should be 20 or 30 for madwifi, I made good experiences with that
[09:13] <ivoks> ok...
[09:13] <siretart> but this is err. how to say. anoying to e.g. ipw users
[09:13] <ivoks> is there any way to find that someone is using madwifi?
[09:13] <ivoks> siretart: i know how to fix it..
[09:14] <siretart> ivoks: madwifi interfaces are called athX, this would be an indicator
[09:14] <ivoks> great..
[09:14] <ivoks> i'll just put one if elif
[09:14] <siretart> and there is another bug for german locales: the ifconfig regex doesnt match
[09:15] <ivoks> ?
[09:15] <siretart> the IFCONFIG command is set to 'ifconfig' right now
[09:15] <ivoks> right
[09:15] <siretart> that really should be 'LC_MESSAGES=C /sbin/ifconifg'
[09:15] <ivoks> ?
[09:15] <siretart> the problem is that otherwise the ifconfig regex won't match
[09:15] <ivoks> why
[09:15] <siretart> and wifi-radar says 'no ip found' or something like that
[09:16] <siretart> ivoks: http://paste.debian.net/1129
[09:16] <siretart> this is an example outout if ifconfig in german locale
[09:17] <siretart> have a look at line 2 and compare with the regex in wifi radar. the regex is broken with that input
[09:17] <ivoks> lol
[09:17] <ivoks> ok...
[09:17] <siretart> the LC_MESSAGES=C makes ifconfig to speak english, which is ok for the regex ;)
[09:17] <ivoks> thanks for that
[09:17] <siretart> no problem :)
[09:19] <ivoks> siretart: what't the output of iwconfig?
[09:20] <ivoks> but... it doesn't do any regexp in wifi-radar with ifconfig (?)
[09:20] <siretart> ivoks: I just shut down my notebook, and I don't have my charger here :(
[09:21] <siretart> ivoks: look in function get_current_ip()
[09:21] <ivoks> siretart:  # Be careful to the language (inet adr: in French for example)
[09:21] <ivoks> :>
[09:21] <siretart> exactly :/
[09:21] <siretart> ;)
[09:22] <comadreja> I need help with pbuilder, I keep getting an error and I don't know if it's a bug or is something I'm doing wrong
[09:22] <siretart> at this point, there shouldn't be some broken workaround for different locales. better to set the output of the parsed commands to sane values
[09:22] <comadreja> Setting up build-essential (10.1ubuntu1) ...
[09:23] <comadreja> touch: cannot touch `/var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp': No such file or directory
[09:23] <comadreja> E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'touch /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp'
[09:23] <siretart> comadreja: better use http://paste.debian.net for pasting
[09:23] <comadreja> it's just three lines, but I'll do
[09:24] <comadreja> any idea ?
[09:24] <siretart> comadreja: try purging all config files, pbuilder and all of /var/cache/pbuilder and begin from scratch. post also your /etc/pbuilderrc
[09:24] <comadreja> I'll do the purge
[09:24] <comadreja> thanks
[09:25] <comadreja> then I'll paste the file if it doesn't work
[09:27] <slomo> jbailey: i'll look further into it tomorrow
[09:29] <jbailey> slomo: Cool.  ping me when you start.  If I'm around I'll help as I can.
[09:32] <slomo> jbailey: thanks :) btw, -O1 -fno-crossjumping hasn't worked...
[09:32] <jbailey> Even with -g ?
[09:35] <comadreja> siretart : http://paste.debian.net/1130
[09:36] <Jogariga> hi guys. i want to help ubuntu with packages
[09:36] <siretart> comadreja: looks good. what does now a pbuilder create say?
[09:36] <Jogariga> i have used ubuntu for a few months now and i would like to give something back to the community
[09:36] <comadreja> siretart : another paste ?
[09:36] <siretart> Jogariga: hey, cool! you are at the right place here! :)
[09:36] <ivoks> siretart: could you check it now?
[09:37] <ivoks> i'll send you binary
[09:37] <slomo> jbailey: even with -g... i'll run gdb on it tomorrow to see where it breaks ;)
[09:37] <ivoks> "binary" :)
[09:37] <siretart> ivoks: yes, I can have a look at it
[09:37] <jbailey> slomo: Cool.  Good luck!
[09:37] <comadreja> Setting up sudo (1.6.8p5-1ubuntu2.1) ...
[09:37] <comadreja> Setting up bzip2 (1.0.2-2ubuntu0.1) ...
[09:37] <comadreja> Setting up tcpdump (3.8.3-3ubuntu0.4) ...
[09:37] <comadreja> Setting up wget (1.9.1-10ubuntu2.1) ...
[09:37] <comadreja> touch: cannot touch `/var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp': No such file or directory
[09:37] <comadreja> E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'touch /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp'
[09:37] <comadreja> E: Sub-process returned an error code
[09:37] <comadreja>  -> Aborting with an error
[09:37] <comadreja>  -> unmounting dev/pts filesystem
[09:37] <comadreja>  -> unmounting proc filesystem
[09:37] <comadreja>  -> cleaning the build env
[09:37] <siretart> comadreja: yes, furtunatly, paste.debian.net accepts also longer pastes ;)
[09:37] <comadreja>     -> removing directory /var/cache/pbuilder/build//21104 and its subdirectories
[09:37] <comadreja> rmdir: `/var/cache/pbuilder/build//21104/dev': Device or resource busy
[09:37] <comadreja> rmdir: `/var/cache/pbuilder/build//21104/.dev': Device or resource busy
[09:37] <comadreja> rmdir: `/var/cache/pbuilder/build//21104': Directory not empty
[09:37] <comadreja> root@patrogli:~ # logout
[09:37] <comadreja> oops
[09:37] <ogra> comadreja, no need to spam the channel
[09:37] <comadreja> sorry
[09:38] <ogra> *g*
[09:38] <comadreja> sorry
[09:38] <comadreja> I thought I had in the buffer the paste link
[09:38] <ivoks> siretart: no, no good :)
[09:38] <ivoks> ogra: !!! :)
[09:38] <ogra> ivoks, :)
[09:38] <ivoks> ogra: you know python, right? :)
[09:38] <siretart> Jogariga: do you already have some packaging experience or do you need some starting help? ;)
[09:38] <comadreja> http://paste.debian.net/1131
[09:38] <ogra> only a bit... and i'm out of training
[09:38] <ivoks> ogra: i have one simple question :/
[09:38] <Jogariga> siretart: i need some help starting
[09:39] <ogra> comadreja, have you followed the pbuilder howto ?
[09:39] <ogra> ivoks, shoot
[09:39] <comadreja> ogra: yes, funny thing is that I had a pbuilder running with hoary... then I dist-upgraded
[09:39] <ogra> comadreja, update-notifier is mentioned there
[09:39] <comadreja> ogra: and rebuilt
[09:39] <comadreja> ogra: and failed after that
[09:39] <siretart> comadreja: which version of debootstrap do you use?
[09:40] <ivoks> ogra: devicename = re.search(INTERFACE, '^ath') - I'm trying to add input to devicename if ath is in INTERFACE, and INTERFACE begins with ath
[09:40] <comadreja> 0.3.1.4ubuntu1
[09:40] <siretart> comadreja: I'm not sure, but try installing the breezy deb
[09:40] <comadreja> siretart : I'm running breezy
[09:40] <ivoks> ogra: is this right way? :)
[09:40] <siretart> comadreja: and place some debootstrapopts to exclude update-notifier
[09:40] <siretart> you'll hardly need it in pbuilder ;)
[09:41] <comadreja> ok
[09:41] <ogra> ivoks, there is something like the startswith function, this one fits better ;(
[09:41] <ogra> ;)
[09:41] <ogra> oops
[09:41] <Jogariga> siretart: where can i find more information on how to help?
[09:41] <ogra> i think it belongs to string...
[09:41] <siretart> Jogariga: have you already had a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources?
[09:42] <ivoks> ogra: ok, then i have one if else loop :)
[09:42] <ivoks> condition, acctually
[09:42] <ivoks>  if devicename != 0: \ something
[09:42] <siretart> Jogariga: unfortunatly, I don't think we have a better manual as the Debian New Maintainers Guide.
[09:42] <ivoks> ogra: is that good too? :)
[09:42] <ogra> ivoks, have a look at "try"
[09:42] <ivoks> ok
[09:43] <siretart> Jogariga: I'd suggest reading the guide, and having a look at some smaller and simpler packages. and try to understand how the build system works
[09:43] <comadreja> siretart : how do I disable the update-notifier ? no mention on the man page
[09:43] <siretart> Jogariga: it's quite hard to explain how debian packaging works on irc, but if you have any concrete questions, feel free to ask here, and we will try to help!
[09:44] <siretart> comadreja: see the manpage of debootstrap, and look at the --exclude option
[09:44] <herve> I'll be in holidays by the end of the week (day off in France)
[09:44] <herve> I hope I'll have time to give to ubuntu
[09:44] <herve> package review, etc :-)
[09:44] <siretart> :)
[09:45] <ivoks> uh
[09:45] <Jogariga> siretart: ok thanks
[09:46] <siretart> ogra: I see the morgue linked from DeveloperResources, but it seems quite outdated. do you know what the current status is?
[09:46] <ogra> the morgue itself ?
[09:46] <siretart> http://morgue.ubuntu.com/
[09:46] <siretart> the latest entry is 2005-03-29
[09:47] <ogra> yes, then hoary was released...
[09:47] <ogra> and after that there was not much activity ....
[09:48] <siretart> what exactly is the morgue? who decides what goes in?
[09:48] <ogra> sicne everybody was fixing instead of cleaning out i guess... excepct traffic if dholbach is working again ;)
[09:48] <siretart> aah, allright, then
[09:48] <ogra> we had a MorgueCandidates wikipage....
[09:48] <ogra> to discuss them before we throw them out...
[09:49] <ivoks> khm... thath thing with re.search is wrong :)
[09:50] <herve> afaik, the wiki page is more up to date than that url I didn't even know
[09:50] <herve> I don't even know how it gets filled in
[09:50] <ivoks> oh, herve :)
[09:51] <ivoks> herve: i bet you know python :)
[09:51] <herve> hehe
[09:51] <herve> I'll tell you a secret
[09:51] <ivoks> it works!
[09:51] <herve> I was also hired for my python knowledge
[09:52] <ogra> herve, crazy, who did that ?
[09:52] <siretart> Jogariga: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/PackagingTutorial seems to be a nice tutorial for packaging
[09:52] <siretart> I will add it to developer resources
[09:52] <herve> ogra, my company searched for a zope specialist
[09:52] <ivoks> herve: but i need just a simple help :)
[09:52] <ogra> herve, just kidding :)
[09:53] <herve> ogra, not me :-)
[09:53] <ogra> :)
[09:53] <ivoks> herve: could you? please :)
[09:53] <herve> ivoks, sure of course, fire!
[09:53] <ogra> herve, so if you bored, please stat a moodle replacement, i'd pay a personaly bounty of a box of good wine :)
[09:53] <ivoks> devicename = re.search(INTERFACE, 'eth')
[09:54] <ogra> s/stat/start
[09:54] <ivoks> herve: that line doesn't work what it should :)
[09:54] <herve> ogra, being bored is a luxury to me these times
[09:54] <herve> ogra, but what is moodle?
[09:54] <ogra> i feared that answer
[09:54] <ivoks> ogra: i worked with moodle
[09:54] <ogra> herve, school environment in (shudder) php
[09:54] <herve> ivoks, the regular expression module ?
[09:54] <ivoks> moodle sucks
[09:55] <ivoks> herve: import re :)
[09:55] <ogra> ivoks, they cheered for it
[09:55] <herve> ogra, schooltool? (or was it schoolbell)
[09:55] <ivoks> herve: i have that...
[09:55] <ogra> herve, yes, thats the cool one
[09:55] <ivoks> there is one good...
[09:55] <ogra> herve, but lacs the functionallity of moodle
[09:55] <slomo> jbailey: i've run it with gdb and it seems like the call stack is completely broken after the segfault, almost all lines are like "#890 0x00000000 in ?? ()" and at the end "Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?)" i have no idea where the problem is located ;) this is with -g3
[09:55] <ivoks> atutor
[09:55] <herve> ivoks, er... simplier, I missed the question!
[09:55] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/racunala/login.php
[09:56] <ivoks> herve: i want to search for pattern in text, and if it exist exec something, if it doesn't exec something else
[09:56] <ivoks> herve: so i tought, i'll search for pattern and place result in variable
[09:57] <herve> which version of python?
[09:57] <herve> er...
[09:57] <ivoks> herve: then do if variable != 0: exec this else: exec that
[09:57] <ogra> ivoks, you want to find out if a line starts with a certain string... re is overkill
[09:57] <herve> you just want to search if INTERFACE contains 'eth'?
[09:57] <ivoks> 2.4
[09:57] <jbailey> slomo: Right, so you have to set a breakpoint at some likely function and use next and step to get closer.
[09:57] <ivoks> yes
[09:57] <ivoks> :)
[09:58] <ivoks> i'm new to python :)
[09:58] <herve> if INTERFACE.find('eth') == -1:
[09:58] <herve> not found...
[09:58] <ogra> ivoks, i made the same mistakes ;)
[09:58] <herve> else:
[09:58] <herve> found...
[09:58] <herve> add spaces where appropriate
[09:58] <herve> or even .startswith if you expect it at the beginning
[09:59] <herve> or even INTERFACE[0:3]  == 'eth' if you're confident
[09:59] <ivoks> :********
[09:59] <herve> any questions? :-)
[09:59] <ivoks> thank you
[09:59] <ivoks> siretart: want to give it a try?
[10:00] <siretart> ivoks: yes, why not :)
[10:00] <herve> INTERFACE[:3]  and you save one byte!
[10:00] <ivoks> :)
[10:01] <herve> have any of you checked gnu arch 2.0?
[10:01] <ogra> herve, bazaar !!
[10:02] <herve> ogra, that's a client
[10:02] <herve> any certainly better than tla (not hard!)
[10:02] <ogra> nah
[10:02] <ogra> http://bazaar.canonical.com/
[10:02] <herve> here I mean a new architecture inspired by Linus' ideas for git
[10:02] <herve> bazaar is compatible with arch 1 archives
[10:03] <ogra> herve, i bet another box of beer he will take bazaar
[10:03] <herve> but I know it uses its know library format by default
[10:03] <herve> tom lord?
[10:03] <ogra> linus
[10:03] <herve> hu, hello? he wrote git a month ago
[10:03] <ogra> as a interim solution, yes
[10:04] <herve> they released three kernel versions with this interim tool :-)
[10:04] <ogra> yes... but he always said its an interim
[10:05] <ogra> (nothing is as good as a good working interim solution though)
[10:05] <herve> he also said linux won't be big and professional as gnu in 1994 ;-)
[10:05] <ogra> lets see ;)
[10:05] <ivoks> fucking patches :(
[10:06] <herve> I'll really try bazaar for our next project
[10:06] <herve> because my colleagues are really suffering with tla
[10:07] <siretart> I've done some updates to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - I think they are sane, but it won't hurt if someone would 'review' them
[10:08] <ivoks> ok, uploaded to revu
[10:08] <ivoks> siretart: give it a try ;)
[10:09] <ivoks> doh..
[10:09] <ivoks> bug :)
[10:09] <siretart> ?
[10:09] <ivoks> 0.5 :)
[10:13] <ivoks> ok, new version up :)
[10:13] <siretart> just a mom
[10:18] <comadreja> I removed the package, pbuilder, purged the config, reinstalled, reconfigured... and still got the same error
[10:18] <ogra> comadreja, did you also delete /var/cache/pbuilder ?
[10:19] <comadreja> ogra, yep :/
[10:19] <siretart> comadreja: still with --exclude=update-notifier?
[10:19] <comadreja> yep, still with the exclude
[10:19] <siretart> but then the error message should have changed, if no update-notifier is installed
[10:19] <siretart> ?
[10:20] <comadreja> the error message is the same :/
[10:21] <siretart> then update-notfier is installed anyway, right? try to find out why
[10:21] <comadreja> I'm retrying...
[10:25] <siretart> slomo: ping
[10:25] <slomo> siretart: pong
[10:26] <siretart> slomo: I've just seen your bugfix to taglib, will upload it soom
[10:26] <ivoks> time to leave... bye
[10:26] <siretart> slomo: but, did you check if this bug has been reported to debian?
[10:26] <slomo> siretart: no but it's on my todo list ;) i'll do that later this night
[10:27] <siretart> slomo: please file a bug against taglib with your patch included
[10:27] <siretart> we want to give patches back to debian :)
[10:29] <siretart> slomo: uploaded
[10:29] <siretart> slomo: have you already been whitelisted?
[10:29] <comadreja> siretart : is this line right ? DEBOOTSTRAPOPTS[0] ='--exclude=update-notifier'
[10:29] <slomo> siretart: thanks... in the debian bts there are 4 bug reports but all are minor problems and not this one
[10:30] <slomo> siretart: elmo said he has done it... how do i notice it? ;)
[10:30] <siretart> slomo: you should get mail in a few minutes then from a nice madam named katie ;)
[10:31] <siretart> comadreja: I think so, but I'm a bit confused about the '[0] '
[10:34] <slomo> siretart: Rejected: taglib_1.3.1-1ubuntu2_source.changes: upload is signed by 0x93005DC27E876C37ED7BCA9A98083544945348A4 but is not in the Maintainer keyring.
[10:35] <Treenaks> I got that too yesterday
[10:36] <siretart> slomo: wah, why didn't you tell me that taglib is in main! ;)
[10:36] <siretart> slomo: you will have to ping people like ogra, tseng or dholbach for this upload then :(
[10:37] <ajmitch> morning
[10:37] <ogra> siretart, rather elmo....
[10:37] <slomo> siretart: haven't noticed it... sorry :/
[10:37] <ogra> siretart, i cant upload te same version
[10:37] <siretart> ogra: why same version? the version is updated from ubuntu1 to ubuntu2
[10:38] <ogra> yes, and the next upload should be ubuntu3
[10:38] <herve> hi ajmitch
[10:38] <ajmitch> herve! :)
[10:38] <ajmitch> ltns
[10:38] <ogra> siretart, and it wont fix your key
[10:38] <herve> lnthaving spare time
[10:39] <siretart> ogra: so I broke updating taglib?
[10:39] <siretart> :(
[10:39] <ogra> siretart, nope, your upload should still be on the server i think and elmo can verify why your key doesnt work
[10:40] <siretart> well, I'm not in the uploaders keyring for main, thats clear.
[10:42] <ogra> ah, thats main
[10:42] <ogra> i missed that
[10:43] <siretart> yes.
[10:50] <comadreja> don't be worried all of you, I'm the one who spammed the channel :)
[10:51] <herve> see you later
[10:51] <comadreja> ok, I'm also sorry, but pbuilder keeps on failing with [0]  or without
[10:52] <comadreja> same message about update-notifier
[10:54] <ivoks> is it only me or debian zlib fix brakes samba?
[11:08] <Riddell> dholbach!
[11:08] <siretart> hey dholbach
[11:08] <dholbach> hi :)
[11:09] <Riddell> dholbach: when I upload a new package with -k me and someone else's e-mail address where does the NEW e-mail go?
[11:09] <dholbach> erm
[11:09] <dholbach> i only set one mail adress
[11:09] <dholbach> -kdh@mailempfang.de
[11:10] <dholbach> he should get katie's mail
[11:10] <Riddell> I mean someone else's e-mail address in the changelog
[11:10] <dholbach> yeah, the guy in the changelog should get katie's mail
[11:10] <Riddell> hmm, he hasn't
[11:11] <dholbach> oh well, maybe elmo didn't whitelist his mail adress yet
[11:11] <dholbach> he has to have a look at   wiki/Uploads
[11:31] <uniq> hmm.. how long does it take from i upload to revu till it shows in the page?
[11:31] <uniq> i suspect my upload took of into /dev/null..
[11:31] <siretart> uniq: processing of uploads is done via cronjob every 5 minutes
[11:31] <uniq> siretart: ah.. ok :)
[11:31] <siretart> uniq: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=114
[11:31] <siretart> this one? ;)
[11:32] <uniq> yes, there it is.
[11:32] <uniq> :)
[11:32] <siretart> uniq: is kio-apt in debian?
[11:33] <pef_aw> bye !
[11:33] <siretart> bye pef_aw
[11:33] <uniq> siretart: no, it's not.
[11:33] <siretart> uniq: I was wondering because of the changelog
[11:35] <uniq> siretart: upstream packaging.
[11:35] <siretart> uniq: I tool only a short glance, looks in general good, but use 0ubuntu1 rather than 1ubuntu1 for initial upload
[11:35] <uniq> OK.
[11:35] <siretart> uniq: does upstream have an alternate/real changelog?
[11:35] <uniq> i was told to use 1ubuntu1 the other day.
[11:37] <siretart> uniq: huh? no thats not right for NEW packages. who told you that?
[11:38] <uniq> hang on, grep logs.
[11:38] <siretart> anyway, this must have been a misunderstanding
[11:39] <siretart> uniq: regarding debian/changelog, if upstream maintains another changelog file, remove old debian/changelog entries. they are irrelevant then
[11:39] <uniq> 23:52 <  siretart> I think we agreed on 1ubuntu1
[11:39] <uniq> you told me.
[11:39] <siretart> waah
[11:40] <uniq> siretart: debian/changelog is much more complete.. the other changelog contains 7 lines.. changes from 0.1 to 0.2 irrelevant.
[11:40] <siretart> silly me. I take everything back and claim the opposide :)
[11:41] <uniq> noticed anything besides the versioning before i do another upload?
[11:41] <siretart> uniq: to correct myself: if there is a -1 revision in ubuntu -1ubuntu1 is right. if there is no package at all in ubuntu, -0ubuntu1 is correct, because then a -1 revision would be higher, and we are able to import that revision from debian, should that package appear there
[11:42] <siretart> looks fine, you could state in the changelog that you added an icon, and where it is from
[11:43] <uniq> yes, i know, that's why i've used 0ubuntu1 on kio-locate as an example.. ok i'll add the changelog thing too.
[11:50] <siretart> ajmitch: hold the mouse abouve the icons ;)
[11:50] <ajmitch> siretart: well that's just annoying to do :)
[11:51] <siretart> ajmitch: hm. you're right, I should do some descriptive text above
[11:57] <uniq> is it just me or is the debdiff in revu the wrong way? it says - on the lines i've added.
[11:58] <siretart> uniq: you mean this debdiff, right? http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/diff.py?upid1=114&upid2=117
[11:58] <ajmitch> uniq: example?
[11:58] <uniq> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/diff.py?upid1=117&upid2=114
[11:59] <uniq> and some text is missing from the web-thing..
[11:59] <uniq> because i pout it in <>
[11:59] <uniq> *put
[11:59] <siretart> uniq: ha, so you are comparing the older upload to the newer upload ;)
[12:00] <siretart> uniq: upid1 is the first parameter to debdiff, so take care ;)
[12:01] <uniq> ok, then the link doesn't do what's expected :)