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=== zwnj [~behnam@81.31.160.199] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kubuntu-live [~kubuntu-l@crimsun.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zwnj [~behnam@81.31.160.199] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rem__ [~rem@adsl-98-127-zh1.datacomm.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k [~seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cmatheson [~cmatheson@63-228-216-147.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:21] hey i've been using debian for forever and now i'm playing around w/ ubuntu (i like it), i want to be a motu, how can i help? === Gazer is away: zzzzzZZZZZ === crimsun [~kubuntu-l@68-115-99-35.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:47] cmatheson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU is probably a good start to find something to do for the MOTU team. Especially the TODO link near the end === Mircosoft is now known as HostingGeek === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hieronymus [~Hieronymu@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pagefault [Eric@67.71.47.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:55] robitaille: sounds good, thanks === mitsuhiko [~mitsuhiko@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0003.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:04] how does one begin maintaining a package in universe? [08:06] well... [08:07] you can create a package and put it on REVU [08:07] someone will have to review it, but you will not be able to upload it [08:08] ah ok, thats basically want I wanted to know, what I am supposed to do with the package once I have made it so it can be checkout/whatever has to be done before it can go into the repository [08:13] moin [08:14] TypeError: 'gtk.VBox' object is not callable [08:14] give me a break, man :) [08:14] hehe [08:15] pagefault: you should get yout package in a supportable way, i.e. other motus must be able to adapt where necessary [08:16] i'm not quite sure what you mean === bienve [~REal@200.88.199.23] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:16] hi all [08:16] hi bienve [08:16] MOTU spanish exist ? [08:16] :) [08:16] english only [08:17] me create packetes for ubuntu :) [08:17] :( [08:17] pagefault: your requirements aren't that high, but as all packageas are group maintained, the package should be packaged sane, is this more clear? (I'm no native speaker :( ) [08:17] siretart, ah yeah I understand, easy to change if need be, no problem [08:19] bienve: great! :) [08:19] the maintainer for the package I am updating seems to have vanished off the face of the planet [08:20] pagefault: if you want to take over maintaining, go on! :) [08:20] I don't think it ever had an ubuntu maintainer, the package that was included in multiverse in hoary was from debian [08:21] khm... [08:21] multiverse are non-free universe packages [08:21] I have no idea why it would be in non-free [08:21] because it is [08:21] and they are taken from debian [08:21] what package are we talking about? [08:21] zsnes [08:21] pagefault: it is in debian/contrib [08:22] pagefault: the reason is that it requires non-free additional software to work === Amaranth [~amaranth@ip68-96-128-67.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:22] yep [08:22] well there are free roms [08:22] it doesn't require it :) [08:23] pagefault: well, go on and package it, perhaps we can move them to universe, then ;) [08:23] i'm one of the authors of the project btw, i'm just wanting to see the package in ubuntu since it's my main distro now [08:28] ah. you are pretty welcome to help us with zsnes. that what's universe is about :) [08:28] pagefault: great project btw, I use it from time to time ;) === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> kornbluth.freenode.net === Firetech [~Firetech@h53n1fls301o1100.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:29] siretart, thanks, I just wanted to make sure the package was kept up to date due to the nature of emulation having the latest version usually helps [08:29] and some people seem to have difficulty compiling it themselves === tseng [~tseng@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:29] yes, thats right === stazz [~ville@a80-186-82-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:30] pagefault: what problems are there with the current zsnes package? [08:30] outdated? packaging bugs? === Treenaks [~martijn@messy.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:30] outdated [08:30] very outdated :) === Riddell [jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:30] oh. I see [08:30] pagefault: do you think you can update it yourself? [08:31] and we have nice icons and such since then so it would be good to have it added to the gnome menu [08:31] woah, sound great! :) [08:31] siretart, pretty sure, I am going to look at the original package and go from there [08:31] are the icons in the upstream tarball? [08:32] it would probably best if the upstream tarball would contain a neat .desktop file [08:32] then integretion into gnome and kde menus would be easy (.desktop file is a standard from freedesktop.org) [08:32] it should be in the tarball, yes [08:32] 5 or so icons for different scalings [08:33] maybe it would be better to include a SVG file? 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[10:47] \sh: I would, if someone would create l-r-m-2.6.12 === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:59] <\sh> yeah [10:59] <\sh> but I tried with the orig. ones..doesn't work.. [11:08] <\sh> compiling again wine [11:08] <\sh> they're a lot of diffs between debian and winehq *shiver* [11:10] \sh: I see that scott ritchi is providing source packages for wine, but I havn't had a look at them yet [11:11] <\sh> well...the source is ok...the configs etc. are different...and to adjust those stuff...it takes more time as expected [11:11] <\sh> did we heard anything about a vserver yet` [11:12] no, I havn't [11:13] but since many folks are at debconf, I'd rather wait a week or two more.. [11:13] <\sh> yes [11:15] \sh, marks decision was to go with the winehq packages for the future :-/ [11:15] \sh: sistpoty and I have decided to rewrite revu anyway, now that know what we exactly know what want, and where the problems in current implementation are [11:16] current codename is revu2 ;) [11:16] \sh, and it would be good to contact scott richie about it ... [11:16] <\sh> ogra: i thought sire'n'sisters ,-) [11:16] <\sh> ogra: yepp [11:16] heh [11:17] <\sh> oh....klaus came just to me and kissed my feet, cause my msn transport is working on my jabber *rotfl* [11:17] i had some very controversal discussions with him before hoary, so it would also be good if it wasnt me who contacts him :) [11:17] :) [11:17] \sh, lol [11:18] <\sh> ogra: can u update me what was the discussion about? not that i'm running into the same dead end? ,-) [11:18] i wanted him to work with the DD and bring his changes into debian... [11:19] <\sh> but? [11:19] they didnt come together... because the DD was very ill and scott didnt try again after he was fine again.... the DD would have liked to include scotts patches/packages, but scott refused to talk again to him [11:19] <\sh> lets do it the other way...try to be a catalysator [11:20] so they were stuck, and i decided we should go with the debian packages [11:20] \sh, the debian wine guy is *very* shy... he doesnt talk to everyone... not ven on IRC [11:21] <\sh> shy? [11:21] you need a very diplomatic skill to get these two together [11:21] yes [11:21] <\sh> shy as in gay, or shy as in young? [11:22] shy as in shy [11:22] shy as in: "he is fearing communication" === \sh thinks, that's a hard job for me... [11:22] <\sh> wrong job, he? [11:23] \sh, you dont need to get them together, we (mark) want the winehq packages [11:23] ogra, \sh: schchtern? [11:23] so its up to them to arrrange it [11:23] Treenaks, yep [11:23] Treenaks, dug out your again ? *G* [11:24] ogra: it's not that hard with multi_key [11:24] heh [11:24] ;) [11:25] <\sh> ogra: if I inject the winehq packages for breezy (latest off. release), do I get an icecream? ,-) === ogra wonders why he has to look a empty gaim contactlist... [11:25] \sh, two !! (one from me, one from mark) [11:26] <\sh> no..from mark i want biltong ,-) [11:26] heh === ogra kicks gaim "GO AWAY !!" [11:26] <\sh> ogra: centericq ,-) [11:26] ogra: killall is your friend [11:26] nah, it will behave again within 10mins.... [11:26] <\sh> new upload? [11:27] its just anoying [11:27] ogra: submit patches then :P [11:27] Treenaks, i would if i had time... [11:27] but people poking me about the ugly lock screen are getting annoying... so first i have to work out my patches here.... [11:28] edubuntu just got recognized by the UN .... so some people waiting for stuff from my side now... [11:29] <\sh> well...i was surprised a bit reading ubuntu is getting 10 Mio bucks and then I read, it's mark who is pushing them in...would be nice.somebody else would put some money on top of it === dholbach [foobar@td9091c35.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:31] morning === skaught [~skaught@S0106000f3d3c620f.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:32] \sh, the fundation will make its own money at some point... until then mark will fund it [11:32] hi dholbach [11:33] hey ogra - how's it going on this lovely day? :) [11:34] howdy all [11:34] dholbach, a bit under pressure.... i was just told the UN would like to see a edubuntu presentation next thursday === skaught [~skaught@S0106000f3d3c620f.cg.shawcable.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [11:35] *BLING!* W H O ? *BLING!* [11:35] _the_ UN? [11:35] and on a sidenote i'm discussing with elmo about the non-freeness of squeak and if and how we can include it... so no UN presentation in sight yet [11:36] Treenaks, yes, they have a funding program for african schools [11:36] because of one package? [11:36] dholbach, because of about 30-40 packages... look at xorg and dependent stuff :/ [11:37] i cant build my seeds if they rely on broken packages so edubuntu-desktop still has to wait [11:37] first you talk about squeak and now about what? [11:37] i talk about missing time, packages etc... [11:37] squeak = smalltalk thing? [11:37] ah hm well - what did mdz/kamion say to all this? [11:37] whats squeak? [11:37] Treenaks, yep [11:38] dholbach, what should they say, nobody expects xorg and dependent packages to work during development [11:38] ogra: they should start stabilizing I guess.. [11:38] Lathiat, a multimedia teaching environment and smalltalk interpreter [11:39] yeah - but don't they have a solution? [11:39] dholbach, i could strike missing packages out of the seeds ... but then i had to change them constantly [11:40] and i rather dont *pfusch* [11:40] oh well [11:40] did you read daniels' reply on ubuntu-devel@ ? [11:40] yes... but that still doesnt make celestia work for example :) [11:43] make a public edubuntu-todo-list - that's what made universe work :) [11:44] dholbach, i have to care for ~100 pkgs for edubuntu... thats not even worth a list... [11:44] that's your opinion :) [11:45] 30-40 of them dont work curretnly, but will work if the underlying architecture is there again... its just a matter of patience [11:45] <\sh> dholbach: what about it? [11:45] <\sh> there were many daniels mails ,-) [11:45] \sh: he explained correct GL build-depends [11:45] dholbach, the edubuntu development is fine as it is... [11:45] that's great to hear [11:46] dholbach, the thing is, that we are simply not ready for presentations [11:46] <\sh> dholbach: oh..:) he explained also unexpected missing links ,-) [11:46] dholbach, but people demand them :) [11:46] <\sh> compiling straight winehq packages...now [11:46] <\sh> and after that i will switch from 20050524 to 20050628 [11:47] winehq-debian packages? [11:47] ogra: then present what you can: a nice ubuntu desktop with *SOME* of the apps [11:47] <\sh> dholbach: yepp [11:47] dholbach, i dont have a nice ubuntu desktop [11:47] how does the review process work ? Does a package need to be reviewed by several people ? [11:47] dholbach, we dont have a working colony CD [11:47] dholbach, thats my base [11:47] \sh: they drop quite a lot of binary packages in there - make sure you have a 2nd look [11:48] comadreja: a NEW package has to get 3 good reviews [11:48] <\sh> dholbach: right now the deb upstream doesn't work. [11:48] comadreja: MOTUNewPackagesPolicy on the wiki [11:48] dholbach : it's an update [11:48] <\sh> dholbach: the 20050628 snapshot is working for breezy with gcc4 [11:48] comadreja: then just one [11:48] dholbach, and just botching up something would steal my develpment time for the real thing [11:48] <\sh> but scott also compiled a package for breezy [11:48] so, what's X like today? [11:48] \sh: we had big trouble with the wine packages - be sure to talk to the debian maintainer before you upload anything [11:48] dholbach, and would shed a bad light on edubuntu [11:48] could somebody review kismet then for me ? [11:49] <\sh> dholbach: ogra told me, that mark wants winehq packages in ubuntu [11:50] i'd rather appreciate concordance with the debian folks === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax8-213.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:50] dholbach, marks ord is get the winehq packages in as soon as possible, dont care about debian here... he was a bit upset because he didnt notice that winehq and debian still dont work together [11:50] s/ord/order [11:50] ogra: when? [11:50] dholbach, in london last week [11:50] doesn't winehq make debian packages every two weeks or something [11:50] *grmbl* [11:51] we discussed wine at the edubunt summit [11:51] <\sh> i don't mind using winehq or debian, as long i can get my tax soft running [11:51] Amaranth: yeah, but they dropped some binary packages (split-out shared objects) [11:51] and he was beliving we had pulled in the hq packages as soon as breezy stared [11:51] wha? [11:51] Amaranth: hm? [11:52] you lost me [11:52] ogra: i guess that's UbuntuAndUpstreams :) [11:52] dholbach, so its a sabdfl decision.... dont care about debian if it comes to wine packages.. the upstreams have to sort it themselves... [11:52] ...but we go with winehq [11:53] Amaranth: debian package has some more binary packages like libwine-* or something, winehq deploys one big package, which ... hmm, is ... .... [11:53] why is wine so important for edubuntu? [11:53] Amaranth, it isnt [11:53] Amaranth, we just discussed it [11:53] <\sh> what about vmware workstation on every ubuntu cd? [11:53] \sh: non-free [11:53] <\sh> but there r some pitfalls [11:53] <\sh> Treenaks: with key ,-) [11:53] wine wont be in edubuntu for now... if we have a big user demand, we'll get it in breezy+1 for edubuntu [11:53] ouch [11:54] also x86 only [11:54] wine probably doesn't fit the target audience [11:54] ok, i'm off again [11:54] <\sh> everybody who is using vmware has to test at least 3 daily iso snaps a week [11:54] wine does... but the configuration issues dont [11:54] and the licensing issues [11:54] i mean crossover office would be a better fit [11:54] Amaranth, still licensing probs [11:55] Amaranth: crossover office is wine with some tweaks, afaik? [11:55] yeah, i wasn't saying ship it [11:55] Treenaks: With lots of GUIs and hand holding. [11:55] <\sh> it's just like transgaming [11:56] the problem here is not the emu, the problem are the app... edubuntu will be ltsp based... so you can use single licensed windows software in a multiuser env, and break te eula [11:57] so we would make a lot of teachers outlaws :) [11:57] <\sh> great ;) those teachers buged me in the past...let them be hunted down *lol* [11:57] hehe [11:58] <\sh> only inprisoned teachers are good teachers (finally in germany) *eg* [11:59] ogra: Make that very clear :) [11:59] is there some way i can search through main only with apt-cache search [12:00] ogra: and re-write the windows programs as free software in python or something (cross-platform) [12:00] Treenaks, i dont care if they install it themselves then its their own fault... i just dont want them to step into this trap out of the box ;) [12:01] Lathiat: python-apt is your friend there or grep-dctrl [12:01] and yes, i will try to support edu app development for the future... lets see how edubuntu evolves, but i think for breezy+1 we can have some bountys [12:02] (like developing a big red warning popup for wine users *gg*) [12:02] hehe [12:03] so, what were you using the xdg menu system for again? [12:03] dholbach: thanks [12:03] Amaranth, see TeachersPet on the edubuntu.org wiki [12:04] Amaranth, i want the ability to make different menus for different groups of pupils [12:04] ah [12:04] groups will be a PITA [12:04] with a easy drag and drop solution where the teacher just drops the apps for his class... [12:04] haha [12:04] as long as his apps are .desktop files the next version of smeg will support that [12:05] so every class is a group and you just have to select your class as a teacher and the pupils have the preselected apps [12:05] that'll probably need some ldap hackery [12:05] i'll look into it... [12:06] Amaranth: ave you seen sabayon? [12:06] ooh, neat idea: make nautilus provide .desktop file data on DnD of any file [12:06] i'll get something that very much matches the TeachersPet spec during this week... there are edu distros already using such a tool [12:06] Treenaks: Yeah. [12:06] Treenaks: I've seen that it'll probably be a year before it's useful. :P [12:06] but i doubt it will go in without tweaks :) [12:07] sabayon already works [12:07] but it only locks down gconf stuff.... not very helpful if you have to deal with mixed desktops === ogra [~ogra@p5089EFA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:11] does X still work? [12:11] :P === herzi [~herzi@c177164.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === |QuaD-_ [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hieronymus [~Hieronymu@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic_ [~prospero@wolax7-207.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hieronymus [~Hieronymu@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === |QuaD- [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ggi [~ggi@ggi.base.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hieronymus [~Hieronymu@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@p5089FACD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === susus [~sz@p5089FACD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TMM [~hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:11] <\sh> hm [02:11] mh ? [02:11] <\sh> ready to upload wine-0.0.20050628 [02:11] <\sh> from winehq [02:12] contacted scoot richie ? [02:12] scott [02:12] <\sh> nope...just tried first...i will write him an email now [02:12] yes, please :) [02:12] and thanks for doing the task [02:13] <\sh> the debian release and last stable from winehq is not working with gcc4 [02:13] i'm wondering if they have the promised ppc and amd64 support yet [02:14] <\sh> trial and error upload? ,-) [02:14] heh [02:16] <\sh> can I refer to marks statement, that we want to have winehq packages in ubuntu? [02:16] yep [02:16] <\sh> thx [02:16] there must also be a mail in the ubuntu-devel archive.... [02:17] <\sh> would be nice, if you can find this mail asap ;) cause I don't want to open another mutt now ,-) [02:17] WOAH! === siretart is staring at the changelog of xorg 6.8.2-35 [02:18] :) [02:19] \sh, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-March/005545.html [02:20] \sh, please read also this thread for background info http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-March/005456.html [02:20] <\sh> ogra: owe u one :) === SloMoSnail [~slomo@vpn-imt2.uni-paderborn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamessan|work [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:27] <\sh> ogra: u have mail as bcc [02:27] thanks :) [02:27] <\sh> friendly, bribing, *** licking mail ,-) [02:27] <\sh> he should reply soon and say "yes, i love u all" [02:29] <\sh> oh he is motu already? [02:30] nope [02:30] <\sh> "I even got approved as an MOTU [02:30] <\sh> back in the days of yore, although due to lack of keysigning I haven't [02:30] <\sh> passed the final muster yet." [02:30] <\sh> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-March/005501.html [02:31] that's wrong [02:31] <\sh> ah...yeah I see...*readingallthenonsensenow* [02:31] \sh, thats why i asked you to read the whole thread, there is a lot nonsense in it :) [02:32] <\sh> i don't mind...I put honey in this mail, and it's smelling like roseflower [02:32] <\sh> he will talk to me [02:32] holy crap, I want to hump daniels's leg now === plugwash [plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:32] the xorg changelog is insane [02:33] <\sh> I'm a nice guy anyways *withmyeyesblink [02:33] schweeb: uh [02:33] remember when i said id get back at you? [02:34] of course, I do, senor hale [02:34] thanks for doing it yourself. === schweeb humps tseng's leg [02:35] don't think you can get out of it that easily [02:37] <\sh> hmmmm [02:37] <\sh> well...i looks like most of the guys are positiv to have this winehq stuff inside ubuntu [02:39] \sh, sweet mail :) [02:39] <\sh> as i said: honey and roseflower [02:39] \sh, yes, but they are lacking a lot... and if you programmed some VB scripts and packaged them in a deb in debian, they wont work on ubuntu [02:40] uh? [02:40] wow. [02:40] <\sh> ogra: well...that's a problem with wine anyways...it doesn't work as expected [02:41] \sh, nope, i mean the packaging... the debia packages are split in varoius libwine-something packages... [02:41] these are missing completely in winehq [02:41] so we get 100% incompatible to debian [02:42] <\sh> ogra: as I understand scott, it isn't...only that he's not doing all this weired: Every Lib has its own package thing... [02:42] <\sh> let me have a look [02:42] \sh, yes, thats the point [02:43] \sh, i know some people that package VB scripts in debs for easy installation...they would have dependency issues... [02:43] <\sh> they're doing what? [02:43] vb scripts? [02:44] sure, you can run them in wine [02:44] <\sh> ogra: u r right, those people have dependency issues === Treenaks cries [02:44] <\sh> i hear many weired stuff. [02:45] Lathiat, embedded excel stuff run via samba .... (they call that programming somehow) [02:45] ogra: oh you mean as in visual kbasic scripts? [02:45] Lathiat, i didnt mean victoria bitter beer with VB :) [02:45] well i figured === siretart tries not to vomit [02:46] but i was hoping someone didnt say someone used vbscript in a debian package [02:46] and that vbscript was some new k-rad random scripting language [02:46] Lathiat, its crazy, but you can do it :) === Lathiat harms himself [02:46] <\sh> ogra: but u mean they're using VB script as install scripts for linux apps? [02:47] <\sh> in debian postinstall stuff? [02:47] <\sh> call wine install.vb.script [02:47] <\sh> ? [02:47] nope, lol [02:47] see you later [02:48] they just have packages that copy the scripts to appropriate places to use them via samba froma server [02:48] <\sh> now i need some winegums...this shock ,-) [02:48] the scripts themselves are mostly embedded office crap [02:48] <\sh> ogra: they should have a look at cfengine [02:48] \sh, they should learn a programming language ;) [02:49] <\sh> ehe...i need some winegums...brb === asw [~asw@mcb1013.mcb.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JRee [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:03] <\sh> back === jre_ [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:07] <\sh> ogra: I put this issue on the tb agenda for tomorrow [03:07] hmm, shouldnt we wait until scott answers ? [03:07] just mention it in the meeting... [03:08] we shouldt discuss it without scott [03:08] <\sh> no...I will mention it to the TB..and that I mailed Scott..if Scott is not helping us, we will do it on our own [03:09] yep [03:09] <\sh> scott is a nice to have,yes, and if mark has a good contact to him, would be great if he would use it to get him into this team === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [~mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty [~stefan@DSL01.212.114.236.163.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:27] hi sistpoty [03:27] hi siretart === GazerWork [~gazer@mail.aktiv-assekuranz.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty [~stefan@DSL01.212.114.236.163.NEFkom.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-184-135-68.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asw [~asw@mcb1013.mcb.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pc-n2.wlan.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hieronymus [~Hieronymu@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ggi [~ggi@ggi.base.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [ams@ns1.mssinc.biz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun [~dtchen@crimsun.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JRee [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef [~loic@erodia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:37] hello === Seveaz [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DanielN`aw [~daniel@80-218-240-48.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DanielN`aw is now known as DanielN === sebest [~chatzilla@77.245.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [~tritium@12-208-96-155.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vedran [~vedran@195.130.52.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu === |QuaD-_ [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rem_ [~rem@adsl-98-127-zh1.datacomm.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _vedran [~vedran@195.130.52.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:16] is it ok to build a package explicit with gcc 3.3 when it can't be build with 4.0... there are no compile-time errors, just sporadic segmentation faults when running it [07:17] slomo: fix the code ;) [07:17] (but I don't know an answer to that) [07:19] sure that would be the best ;) but i can't fix the code as it's too complex for me... it's a compiler ;) === poningru [~poningru@pool-71-101-70-231.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:39] slomo: What's the error you're getting? [07:39] slomo: (You can often find someone here with the skills to help) [07:40] jamessan: just a segfault when running the compiled program [07:40] The basic trick is that it's going to need to be fixed anyway. It seems better in most cases to try and get it fixed if possible. If it's impossible, I'd check with ogra and the other master MOTUs before doing it. [07:41] slomo: Was that intended for me? =) [07:41] I'm getting this with pbuilder clean: [07:41] yes... sorry ;) [07:41] rmdir: `/var/cache/pbuilder/build/18055/dev': Device or resource busy [07:41] rmdir: `/var/cache/pbuilder/build/18055/.dev': Device or resource busy [07:41] rmdir: `/var/cache/pbuilder/build/18055': Directory not empty [07:41] rmdir: `/var/cache/pbuilder/build/': Directory not empty [07:42] slomo: So unchanged, the code works in gcc-3.3, and segfaults when compiled with gcc-4.0? [07:42] comadreja: udev-inside-chroot [07:42] Treenaks : thanks a lot [07:43] Treenaks : how do I do that :D [07:44] comadreja: no, that's the cause :) [07:45] I don't know the solution [07:45] Treenaks : oh, I see... should I reboot [07:45] comadreja: no, just unmount those /var/cache/.../dev dirs [07:45] I can't login [07:45] weird... [07:46] jbailey: yes... so it's probably a code generation bug in gcc 4.0... [07:47] slomo: Well... it's just as likely to be crappy code. [07:47] Which package? === Mez [~mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:47] slomo : yes, try to debug, you can could find the problem [07:47] jbailey: smlnj [07:50] Ugh, circular build-deps that can't be met on powerpc. [07:53] slomo: I don't have an ia32 system handy at the moment to debug this on, sorry. [07:54] slomo: But otherwise, there have been two bugfix releases since the one we have in the archive. Neither mentions gcc-4 compatability fixes specifically, but there are some notes about wrong code generation. [07:54] jbailey: yes the package is completely broken in breezy and hoary ;) that's why i work on it... currently i can get working x86 and ppc binaries [07:54] jbailey: i'm working on the latest version ;) [07:55] Ah, lovely. If you compile at -O0 does the compiler stop segfaulting? [07:55] good idea... wait a moment, i'll try it [07:56] if I upload a new package with someone else's e-mail address but signed by me where does the NEW e-mail go? [07:56] damn, now I get another pbuilder error: [07:57] Setting up wget (1.9.1-10ubuntu2.1) ... [07:57] touch: cannot touch `/var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp': No such file or directory [07:57] E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'touch /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp' [07:57] E: Sub-process returned an error code [07:57] -> Aborting with an error === ogra_ [~ogra@p5089C756.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sledmouth [~sol@adsl-69-209-62-24.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:59] hello [07:59] hello? [08:00] i'm interested in xfce4 on ubuntu... [08:00] apt-get install xfce4 [08:04] jbailey: it work's with gcc 4.0 and -O0 at least on x86... at least the resulting sml compiler can compile it's own libraries without any segfaults [08:05] also , i want a very small usb 802.11g for my ibook g4 (for obvious reasons); any suggestions [08:06] sledmouth: i'm using a dlink dwl-122 but it's hard to get it working [08:07] slomo: 'kay. What I'd be inclned to do is to repeat the test with -O1. If it works there then you either have to decide that you feel like hunting down the bug and reporting it (It could still be either a bad aliasing problem or some black magic inside a garbage collector or somehing in the program, or it could be a gcc code generation problem) or leaving it at -O1 for now, and revisiting it when gcc-4.1 comes out on the [08:07] assumption that someone else will have gotten to it. [08:07] It really depends on how brave you feel. [08:07] Tracking down bugs caused by changing optimisation levels can be a fun adventure. Some times that adventure is best done over a bottle of whiskey. [08:07] I'd encourage you to try it if you have the time, though. === mort_ is now known as mort [08:11] hehe... i think i'll first upload a working package using -O1... then report the bug upstream and then look further into this but I don't think i'll find the problem... that's at the moment a bit too hard for my knowledge [08:11] hum... and it don't work with -O1 :( [08:12] slomo: Assuming you're willing to continue, the next trick is to figure out which optimisation is causing the grief. That will also hint as to what sort of problem you might be looking for. === sledmouth [~sol@adsl-69-209-62-24.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:13] slomo: According to the man page, the following are the optimisations at -O1 -fdefer-pop -fdelayed-branch -fguess-branch-probability -fcprop-registers -floop-optimize -fif-conversion -fif-conversion2 -ftree-ccp -ftree-dce -ftree-dominator-opts -ftree-dse -ftree-ter -ftree-lrs -ftree-sra -ftree-copyrename -ftree-fre -ftree-ch -fmerge-constants [08:13] Err, that should be -fdelayed-branch [08:14] You could try running the compiler through gdb with what you have already, but its awfully nice to kill most of the optimisations that you can while debugging. [08:15] ok... i'll try later :) can i ask you when i have any further questions regarding this? [08:15] slomo: Yup. If I don't notice you here (either because I'm not watching #u-motu or I'm not around) try #ubuntu-toolchain [08:17] thanks :) [08:20] I need help with pbuilder, I keep getting an error and I don't know if it's a bug or is something I'm doing wrong [08:20] Setting up build-essential (10.1ubuntu1) ... [08:20] touch: cannot touch `/var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp': No such file or directory [08:20] E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'touch /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp' [08:21] I get that when doing a "pbuilder create --distribution hoary" === sebest [~chatzilla@sebest.ovibes.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:34] jbailey: the gcc manual/manpage is wrong... with all these parameters it works without a problem === Panzerboy [~NoName@panzerboy.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:48] jamessan: at least -fcrossjumping -fthread-jumps are also activated by -O1... both written to be activated only beginning from -O2 [08:48] aah... i meant jbailey [08:49] Ugh. === lamont [~lamont@15.238.5.49] has joined #ubuntu-motu === srbaker_ [~srbaker_@64.114.203.161] has joined #ubuntu-motu === srbaker_ [~srbaker_@64.114.203.161] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:51] jbailey: and -fcrossjumping seems to be the evil switch... i'll retry with -O1 -fno-crossjumping and when that works with -O2 -fno-crossjumping... === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:52] hey herve [08:52] heya! [08:53] slomo: Right, or if you can do the build with just -fcrossjumping, and use gdb to find where you get the segfault., look at the code and see if you can make a testcase out of it. [08:55] jbailey: well, let's hope it crashes with just -O0 -fcrossjumping... === Mez [~mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:56] slomo: If it does, that's ideal. === blueyed [~daniel@i528C3CCF.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:03] jbailey: no, it's not just -fcrossjumping :( i'll try further which switches are causing the trouble... [09:04] slomo: Well, can you feed it through gdb as it is and step to the failing instruction? === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-1450.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:10] jbailey: sure, i'll try that... i've compiled it with -g a few minutes ago (and otherwise with the crashing parameters) and it worked :/ [09:10] ivoks: ping [09:11] slomo: If you can, use -g3 to get more debug information. [09:11] Ugh, it doesn't fail with the debug information in. Joy. [09:11] siretart: tabel tenis :) [09:11] table even :)) [09:11] hehe [09:11] ivoks: I managed to patch wifi-radar so it is usable on madwifi [09:12] :) [09:12] really? [09:12] send me a patch :) [09:12] yeah. the problem is that the SCANNING_TIMEOUT is irrelevant [09:12] or you can take source, patch it, and upload it [09:12] I want to discuss it with you first [09:12] ivoks: at the end of the scanning thread, there is a 'sleep ( 0.5 )' call, right? [09:13] sec... [09:13] this 0.5 should be 20 or 30 for madwifi, I made good experiences with that [09:13] ok... [09:13] but this is err. how to say. anoying to e.g. ipw users [09:13] is there any way to find that someone is using madwifi? [09:13] siretart: i know how to fix it.. [09:14] ivoks: madwifi interfaces are called athX, this would be an indicator [09:14] great.. [09:14] i'll just put one if elif [09:14]