seth_kit will be called just mozilla-firefox12:02
spermie_411beat to the sound of my drum and ill cumm12:02
SudoPusseth_k: What is the deal with "held packages"?12:02
seth_kspermie_411: stay on topic12:02
spermie_411i didnt get my question answered12:03
seth_kGoogle is your friend12:03
SudoPusseth_k: It is telling me some of the packages could not be downloaded? Do I want to continue ignnoring these packages...hmmm..tell it no of course?12:04
seth_kSudoPus: do you use the US archives?12:04
jeanlucseth k12:04
SudoPusseth_k: Sorry yes I believe so12:04
spermie_411me and google are gonna make some babies now =))) thank ya12:04
jeanluccan you pm me?12:04
seth_k(held packages have conflicts or cannot be installed)12:04
seth_kSudoPus: edit your sources.list and take out all us.12:04
seth_kso you just have http://archive.ubuntu.com12:04
seth_kjeanluc: just talk here, it's okay12:04
seth_kSudoPus: us archive has issues right now12:05
jeanlucI wen into kynaptic12:05
SudoPusOk will do seth_k  ;-P12:05
jeanlucthen I scrolled down to world wide web12:05
jeanlucand I found12:05
jeanlucright clicked and hit install12:05
jeanlucbut I don't see it anywhere12:05
spermie_411which is better knaptic or synaptic?12:05
seth_kjeanluc: you must now hit "Commit"12:06
jeanlucI see no commit button12:06
seth_kit's the one that looks like a monitor with a green down arrow12:06
jeanlucfound it12:06
jeanluckinda stupid12:06
seth_kno problem at all12:06
seth_kwe were all new once12:06
seth_ksee, that way you can pick lots of packages to install12:06
seth_kand then do one Committ12:06
seth_kand it will do them all at once12:07
jeanlucI also12:07
jeanlucI think I hit the update thing to12:07
jeanlucthe middle button12:07
spermie_411do i need et-linux-2.56-2.x86.run this one to run on kubuntu?12:07
SudoPusseth_k: Ok to leave security main/src, etc? Not US12:07
seth_kSudoPus: yep12:07
seth_kspermie_411: get 2.60, is newer12:07
seth_kjeanluc: the Update button will update the list of packages that is available12:07
jeanlucDo I need to install12:08
jeanlucsound drivers?12:08
spermie_411seth_k do you play it?12:08
seth_kI play AA12:08
jeanlucthen how come I here no sound12:08
seth_kjeanluc: they should already be there, what card do you have?12:08
jeanlucwhen I play an mp312:08
seth_kAmerica's Army12:08
jeanlucits onboard12:08
jeanlucbut my mobo is a soyo kt-sy-600 v 2.012:09
spermie_411seth_k video wont support it =*(12:09
seth_kjeanluc: I'd ask in #ubuntu for that, then.12:09
SudoPusseth_k: That is not a valid source you gave me?12:09
seth_kSudoPus: did you hit reload?12:10
SudoPusOh...crap I forgot to prefix it like the others...it is .com though?12:10
seth_kjust remove the us.12:10
seth_keverything else stays the same12:10
SudoPusseth_k: It is now crashing kynaptic using http://archive.ubuntu.com12:10
SudoPusor .org12:10
seth_k?? sources.list12:11
kinfo[sources.list]  example /etc/apt/sources.list with all official repositories plus KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4 from kubuntu.org can be found at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/30380212:11
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SudoPusNow I get a malformed line 20 error when I added the deb in front of http://archive.ubuntu.com12:12
SudoPusIn sources list12:12
seth_kSudoPus: check kinfo's link12:12
seth_ksorry this is becoming such a hassle :)12:12
SudoPusseth_k: If you are talking at me..not a problem...I unlike many realize no one is obligated to help me :-))12:13
seth_kgood attitude, but that's what the spirit of ubuntu is all about12:13
seth_khelping people12:13
SudoPusseth_k: I should just copy past all 39 lines then uncomment the ones I need? Or there is a scroll list below that with some additional stuff?12:15
seth_kSudoPus: just paste exactly as written12:15
seth_kno uncommenting needed12:15
seth_kthose are only source repositories12:15
spermie_411anybody want Gmail?12:16
SudoPusseth_k: I see that, but there are additional lines that can be copied below that...you have to scroll the list box to see all the entries12:16
seth_kno SudoPus, that's just an editable version of the above lines12:17
seth_kcause it's a pastebin12:17
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SudoPusOk now I am awake...heh12:18
supernix any good books on Linux for N00Bs12:18
seth_kI've never found books to do a very good job as compared to forums, IRC, etc.12:18
seth_kexcept for the very basics, like terminal usage12:19
supernixhmmm k12:19
seth_kLinux and its supporting apps change so fast that things go obsolete quickly12:19
seth_khttp://ubuntuforums.org has tons of useful tips12:19
seth_kand http://wiki.ubuntu.com has lots of how-tos, etc.12:19
supernixfigured i would get something I could study offline just in case I had critical issues12:19
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supernixI have some books but they are at least a year old matter fact one covers Red Hat 7 if that tells you anything12:19
jeanlucim back12:19
supernixNot sure how useful books that old would be though12:20
jeanlucseth you there?12:20
SudoPusheld packages are kdepim and kdenetwork...wish me luck...12:21
jeanlucI get this fucking error12:21
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jeanlucwhen I hit comimit12:21
jeanlucit  says12:21
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jeanlucSome of the packages could not be retrived from the server(s) do you want to continue, ignoring thiese packages?12:22
jeanlucand theres a yes and no button12:22
SudoPusBockBilbo: Howdy12:22
seth_kjeanluc: go ahead and hit no12:22
BockBilbocan anyone tell me if its possible to see the gtk programs better on kde in kubuntu?12:22
jeanlucI did12:22
seth_kjeanluc: open a terminal and type:12:22
seth_ksudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list12:23
seth_kand remove the "us." from each line by arrowing over and pressing delete12:23
jeanluclogin as root12:23
BockBilboi normaly use gnome, and ive just installed the kubuntu-packages, and seens that the gtk programs have a very bad appearance12:23
seth_kso that each line will say "deb http://archive.ubuntu..."12:23
seth_kjeanluc: no12:23
jeanlucit ask for12:23
seth_kjust use sudoedit12:23
seth_kthat's your password12:23
SudoPusseth_k: that got rid of the problems ;-O.... now does it put mozilla-firefox in /var/lib for the executable? I see no menu entry in KDE12:23
seth_knot a root password12:23
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seth_kSudoPus: it *should* be under Internet12:24
jeanlucthere is a lot of crap12:24
robherthow can i install from tar.gz?12:24
spermie_411get rid of the "us "after the /archive12:24
SudoPusseth_K: It isn't but...I do see mozilla-firefox in /var/lib12:24
seth_kSudoPus: 12:25
seth_ktry killall kicker && kicker12:25
seth_krobhert: those are source packages12:25
seth_krobhert: you would need to compile them12:25
seth_krobhert: you can't find what you want in Kynaptic?12:25
SudoPuserr...that was /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox12:25
robhertseth_k: thanks for the answers , but i dont know what's kynaptic12:26
robhertim newb in kubuntu12:26
BockBilbokynaptic its a kind of synaptic12:26
apokryphosBockBilbo: sudo apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt12:26
seth_krobhert: Linux doesn't install programs like windows12:26
robhertyes, that i know ;)12:27
seth_krobhert: Kynaptic is a program that can access Ubuntu's software repositories and install software with just a few clicks12:27
SudoPusseth_k: kewl...a SIGSEGV12:27
seth_kSudoPus: heh12:27
apokryphosYou're better of using KPackage at the moment -- better.12:27
robhertseth_k: where is Kynaptic?12:27
seth_kapokryphos: is it usable right now?12:27
apokryphosseth_k: it's always been12:27
seth_krobhert: K Menu > System > Package Manager (Kynaptic)12:27
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SudoPusseth_k: I still can't find the executable...is there a lisppaste bot I can use?12:28
jeanluccan you walk me step by step how to install fire fox12:29
jeanluccuz its not working12:29
seth_kSudoPus: it's linked to /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox i'm sure12:29
apokryphosjeanluc: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox 12:29
jeanlucwtf is that12:29
apokryphosjeanluc: enter that in Konsole12:30
jeanlucthis is my first time using linux12:30
seth_khe's super new, apokryphos 12:30
apokryphosjeanluc: Alt + F2 -> konsole12:30
apokryphosjeanluc: from there, sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox12:30
jeanlucthat didn't work12:30
SudoPusseth_k: I am sure you are sure..however that doesn't mean it is there... ls -al mozilla-firefox shows me squat12:30
jeanlucgave me errors12:30
apokryphosjeanluc: could you paste them?12:30
jeanlucE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)12:30
jeanlucE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?12:30
robhertseth_k: thanx!.. but can u help to find a soft like dreamweaver or frontpage (web editor)12:30
spermie_411do u all have a link for nmaps mans page?12:31
apokryphosjeanluc: close synaptic/kynaptic12:31
apokryphosthen redo it12:31
SudoPusls: mozilla-firefox: No such file or directory12:31
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jeanlucI think it wokr12:32
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seth_krobhert: nvu, or bluefish, or Quanta12:32
apokryphosrobhert: There aren't really any decent WYSIWYG editors. But Kate and Quanta are great ;-)12:32
spermie_411gentoo take alot of work =(12:32
SudoPusapokryphos: Due to the fact they don't always work so well with flash/shockwave etc12:32
robhertseth_k: under which directory they are?12:32
apokryphosSudoPus: they've worked fine with those here12:33
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seth_krobhert: just search for them in Kynaptic12:33
seth_krobhert: or sudo aptitude install <packagename> in a terminal12:33
robhertiin fact i've downloaded them from their sites. and i wanted to install them12:33
jeanlucim fucking pissssssed12:34
SudoPusAnd that still doesn't explain why kynaptic shows only mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb but no option to install mozilla-firefox...12:34
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apokryphosrobhert: no point if they're in the repos12:34
apokryphosjeanluc: how did it go?12:34
jeanlucE: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?12:34
jeanlucthen I did12:34
apokryphosjeanluc: run apt-get update first, then re-run the command12:34
jeanlucI did that12:34
apokryphos*sudo apt-get update12:34
robhertyes..  i just said lt like a comment ;)12:34
seth_kjeanluc: you need to do what I told you and remove the us. from /etc/apt/sources.list12:34
jeanlucim confused12:35
jeanlucnow it says12:35
SudoPusjeanluc: Also did you update your sources list with the link provided..I had to do as seth_k stated...12:35
jeanlucreading package list.... Done12:35
apokryphosseth_k: That's not necessarily the case... has it said that error?12:35
jeanlucI didn't update sources list12:35
jeanluchow do I do that?12:35
SudoPusjeanluc: just a sec12:35
apokryphosjeanluc: with reading package list.... Done -- does it say any errors before?12:36
apokryphosjeanluc: if not, then sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox12:36
jeanlucnow it says12:36
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jeanlucdo you want to continue12:37
SudoPusjeanluc: here is the link...just copy all 39 lines and paste into sources.list after you have deleted everything out of it12:37
apokryphosjeanluc: you do12:37
jeanluchow do I update sources list12:37
apokryphosSudoPus: he's not getting an error with his sources.list .... that's unnecessary12:37
seth_kapokryphos: he was getting md5sum mismatches... methinks it is necessary12:37
jeanluchow do I open and delete my sources?12:38
apokryphosIf a sudo apt-get update went fine without errors, then he's good to go12:38
SudoPusjeanluc: Well he is brand new, then considering he hasn't edited sources.list and removed US this seems the easiest way to resolve the problem..don't you think?12:38
apokryphosSudoPus: no. If it was the us.archive error (has it been established that he's using it), then apt-get update would give an error12:39
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SudoPusjeanluc: type "sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list12:39
SudoPusthis will open the file for editing12:39
apokryphosjeanluc: is firefox downloading?12:39
jeanlucit gets like half way12:40
apokryphosSudoPus: vi is hardly the editor of choice for newbies...12:40
jeanlucand then says something about 12:40
seth_kSudoPus: just use "sudoedit"12:40
seth_kSudoPus: it'll launch $EDITOR12:40
seth_kwhich, in ubuntu, is nano12:40
seth_kapokryphos: I don't believe so. It's not the packagelists that are corrupt, it's some of the files on the mirrors. I still think he should take out the us.12:41
apokryphosI personally think it's always a bad idea bombarding newbies with CUI. They want graphical things; when they see CUI is useful then they venture into that12:41
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jeanlucMY FUCKING ERROR IS " some packages could not be retrieved from the servers12:41
jeanlucthats what it say12:41
BockBilbosorry , got disconncted12:41
apokryphosRight, *Now* we know that there's errors with the mirrors12:42
crimsungeez, the language is outta hand.12:42
jeanlucwhen ever I commit something in kynaptic12:42
SudoPusapokryphos: I ain't here to get into your business...yeah you are right..but then again you might as well learn to use one of the defacto editors sometime..it isn't that hard with someone explaining what to do...I will just shut up and let you drive...you seem to need to be right about it all12:42
seth_kapokryphos: I told you that 20 minutes ago12:42
seth_kjeanluc: please watch your language12:42
jeanlucjust mad with linux12:42
jeanlucit was easier in redhat12:42
BockBilboapokryphos, ive installed the gtk2-engines-gtk-qt package, but i still see the gtk programs really small12:42
apokryphosSudoPus: ...whereas you don't? It's good to learn them "sometime", but surely the one time to not learn them is when you're a newbie, if there is such a time.12:42
apokryphosBockBilbo: you can access the settings for them from kcontrol. You may need to restart KDE (for some, that was the case)12:43
SudoPusapokryphos: pidof1512:43
seth_kBockBilbo: you restarted whatever gtk program you were using?12:43
BockBilboseth_k, yes, i also restarted kde12:43
seth_kBockBilbo: Make sure that your GTK settings are correct in KControl > Appearance > GTK12:43
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Mezevening seth12:44
BockBilboseth_k, apokryphos thats what im checking now12:44
BockBilbogonna restart xcha12:45
apokryphosjeanluc: on Kubuntu, one of the best things you can have, starting out, is the Kubuntu guide: http://kudos.berlios.de12:45
McScruffhow do i set permissions so everyone can edit all files in a certain folder?12:45
apokryphosMcScruff: Right-Click -> Properties -> Permissions ;)12:45
SudoPusseth_k: Thanks for the help bro..that fixes my trivial questions about this distro...I can handle it from here on out...12:45
seth_kSudoPus: glad I could help, see you around sometime12:45
jeanlucthis is gay12:45
jeanlucim about to uninstall12:45
McScruffapokryphos, is there a command12:46
apokryphosjeanluc: no, it's not gay. And if you're not going to have patience then, quite frankly, I wouldn't say Linux is the way to go12:46
apokryphosMcScruff: chmod12:46
jeanlucI have used other distros like redhat and fedora fine12:46
McScruffthats the 1 :)12:46
jeanlucbut this is my first kde distro12:46
McScruffisnt jde default in fedora?12:47
jeanlucis there anyway to install from a tar.gz?12:47
apokryphosjeanluc: ok, hold on. I'll make it easy/quick12:47
jeanlucI think what im doing is working just the servers are down are something12:47
seth_kapokryphos: just have him paste from the pastebin! which is what SudoPus and I both told him before :P12:47
seth_k?? sources.list12:47
kinfo[sources.list]  example /etc/apt/sources.list with all official repositories plus KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4 from kubuntu.org can be found at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/30380212:47
apokryphosseth_k: seems to have problems with that... next plan12:48
robherti have a genius vivdpage 4xe scanner and i've found its driver from SANE.. how can i install it?12:48
apokryphosjeanluc: enter these exact commands12:48
seth_k(next plan is running sed, I hope)12:48
apokryphosjeanluc: sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources1.list12:48
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apokryphosjeanluc: sudo wget http://giannaros.org/sources.list12:48
Mezseth_k, did you get my msg on AIM12:49
apokryphosjeanluc: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox12:49
BockBilbonow, whats the way to set firefox as default browser?12:49
seth_kMez: let me switch computers and check it12:49
jeanlucthe list of sources12:49
jeanluccould not be read12:49
jeanlucis the error12:49
apokryphosseth_k: this way I can save potential hassle of adding kubuntu repos/enabling [mult] universe too12:49
seth_kapokryphos, well played :)12:50
apokryphosjeanluc: whoops. One second12:50
seth_kapokryphos: you didn't move it into /etc/apt/12:50
apokryphosjeanluc: cd /etc/apt12:52
apokryphosjeanluc: wget http://giannaros.org/sources.list12:52
apokryphosjeanluc: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox12:52
jeanluccannot write12:52
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jeanlucto source list12:53
jeanlucpermission denied12:53
apokryphosjeanluc: put a sudo in front of it12:53
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Mezjeanluc, is your surname "picard" ?12:53
jeanlucjeanluc is my 12:53
jeanlucits working12:54
jeanlucTHANK YOU!!! :D :)12:54
Mezsorry :D just ahd to check you weren't jean luc piccard of the startship enterprise .12:54
apokryphosjeanluc: no problem. Bookmark that guide for future reference; it'll answer 99% of your questions12:54
jeanlucwhich one?12:55
apokryphosOk, less than that (it's lacking in the explanation area currently, but it'll get better).12:55
apokryphosjeanluc: http://kudos.berlios.de12:55
jeanlucnow its selecting and unpacking12:55
jeanlucok its done12:55
jeanlucfire fox12:56
jeanlucSWEET NESS12:56
jeanlucyour soo leet12:56
jeanlucbrb gotta clean the table12:56
apokryphosleet? That's gotta be a new one12:56
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jeanlucmy last  question01:05
jeanlucHow come theres no audio!?!?!?!?01:05
jeanlucI'm playing a mp3 but no sound01:06
jeanlucspeakers are hooked up01:06
McScruffwhat player?01:07
jeanlucI don't think theres drivers installed01:07
McScruffdid you install the amarok-engine?01:07
jeanlucbut its running01:07
jeanlucI dopn't know if I did01:07
McScruffsudo apt-get install amarok-engine01:07
McScruffor use the gui like i do :)01:08
robherta soft like FIREWORKS to edit PNG files.. can u help me?01:08
McScruffi think gimp does png01:08
uniqmcscruff & jeanluc: amarok-engines :)01:08
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jeanluchow do I do that01:08
jeanlucsudo apt-get install amarok-engine ?01:09
McScruffuniq mine works :)01:09
robhertgimp. ok. i'll try it..01:09
McScruffjean - yes01:09
jeanluci did01:09
_mikehey, how would i install flash and shockwave into konqueror01:09
McScruffnow goto settings 01:09
McScruffand change engine01:09
McScruffin amarok01:09
jeanlucI changed to01:10
jeanlucno sound01:10
McScrufflook in volume control and make sure pcm and colume are up01:10
_mikejean, make sure your account has permissions to view sound files. go to user managemnt and edit ur acdcount and put a check mark next to all the boxes01:11
jeanlucwheres user management01:11
_mikesystem > user management01:11
_mikeotherwise known as users and groups01:11
uniqkmenu - system - kuser01:12
jeanlucthese are checked01:13
jeanlucits checked01:13
uniqshould do it.01:13
_mikehmm...it should be working...is your sound card installed properly?01:13
jeanlucits onboard01:14
jeanlucmy motherboard01:14
jeanlucand it works in windows01:14
_miketry this, click the volume speaker button from the start bar > go into mixer and put everything at half01:14
uniqyou can try 'arsshell suspend' from a terminal.01:14
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yourghetekis there a list of webcams that are compatible with gnomemeeting without any tweaking01:15
uniqthat will make the arts soundserver release it's lock on /dev/dsp (if it has one).. and make it free for others to use.01:15
uniqyourghetek: I don't know, tried #gnomemeeting?01:16
jeanlucI copy and paste this in konsle?01:16
jeanlucarsshell suspend01:16
jeanlucor artshell suspend01:16
yourghetekuniq: yeah, nobody is talking01:16
yourghetekuniq: there is only 6 people in there 2 are bots /:01:16
uniqjeanluc: sorry, 'artsshell suspend', my bad.01:16
jeanlucservber was already01:17
uniqyourghetek: ok, i have no clue, you can try to surf their webpage, search google or ask in #ubuntu or #gnome or something similar.01:18
yourghetekoooh havent tried gnome yet01:20
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jeanlucare mp3 files suppose to work in kubuntu01:31
_mike_i get them working all the time01:31
newbiei was wondering if any of you used pure-ftpd and is it better then proftpd?01:31
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_mike_is there an ftp client for kubuntu01:33
McScruffanyone know of any linux software like the windows sony erricson DRM package manager01:33
McScruffkbear for kde?01:34
_mike_kbear is an ftp client?01:34
newbie_mike_ kbear has too many issues01:35
newbiegftp is better01:35
McScruffi just use konqueror01:35
apokryphosKonqueror is the best :P01:35
apokryphosBut I use fish instead01:35
apokryphos(...of FTP)01:35
_mike_ill just get all of them01:35
McScruffbut help me on my Q01:36
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newbieMcScruff i am not familiar wthe DRM and what it does can you tell me what you are exactly looking for01:37
glyph_i'm looking for a download of klik does anyone know where i can find it?01:38
apokryphosglyph_: what is it?01:38
jeanluccan someone tell me why mp3 do not work on my kubuntu01:38
_mike_thats strange...i installed both kbear and gftp through synaptics but i cant find them in my menu01:38
jeanlucdo I need mp3 codec?01:38
glyph_point-and-klik software01:39
apokryphosjeanluc: if you have amaroK then they should work01:39
newbietype kbear in a console01:39
jeanlucI do01:39
jeanlucthey don't01:39
newbieyou might need to start it first then it will be in the menu01:39
apokryphosjeanluc: please doesn't unnecessarily flood01:39
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apokryphosjeanluc: what engine you using? You could try installing akode-mpeg and then killall artsd01:40
glyph_basicly you click on a link and it downloads and installs the software01:41
apokryphosglyph_: never heard of it, sounds cool.01:41
glyph_ah ok how bout the software i want to use it for Ktrack know where i can find that01:42
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moshehow is mounting/unmounting of cdrom volumes handled in kubuntu under kde?01:42
glyph_im the odd one out here i use Ubuntu but ive added KDE and XFCE01:43
mosheso, do I need to issue any umount cmd or can I just eject the disk?01:43
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McScruffnewbie DRM is to digitly protect music so my shit s700i branded mobile will use it as a ringtone01:43
apokryphosglyph_: not odd at all; that is Kubuntu, too.01:43
apokryphosmoshe: you should me able to right-click -> eject01:44
moshein konqueror?01:44
supernixJust curious anyone here good with SATA drives ?01:44
glyph_true but im comeing from FC4 i just got ubuntu01:44
apokryphosmoshe: Yeah. In Konqueror use the media:/ ioslave01:44
mosheI was expecting an icon to appear on the desktop when I inserted the drive01:45
apokryphosglyph_: FC3 was my previous before [k] ubuntu too01:45
moshemedia:/ only show my hard drive partitions01:45
glyph_oh ok01:45
uniqsupernix: yes. i have sata disks.01:45
apokryphosmoshe: Then it's not mounted01:45
mosheit is mounted01:45
mosheI just copied data from it01:45
supernixuniq:  I have a SATA That will not automount 01:45
glyph_my list of users just dissaperd from X-Chat01:45
apokryphosThen it should be in media:/ ...or evidently something's going wrong.01:45
uniqsupernix: can't says i'm good with them though.. i have a kubuntu machine running on sata.01:46
supernixAny ideas on what I can do to correct that?01:46
apokryphosglyph_: xchat.. yuck :P01:46
apokryphossupernix: you using 3.4.1?01:46
uniqsupernix: an extra sata disk?01:46
glyph_well i tried wineing trillian and i keeps falling off the screen01:46
supernixI only have one SATA and it is totally NTFS01:46
apokryphosglyph_: konversation01:46
glyph_im gona have to apt-get that one01:47
uniqcat /proc/partitions - find it (sdXX) and make a /etc/fstab line for it.01:47
uniqsupernix: ^^01:47
apokryphosglyph_: it should come with kubuntu-desktop actually...01:47
mosheit does01:47
glyph_im useing pure ubuntu i added KDE01:47
apokryphosglyph_: hwo did you add KDE? You didn't install kubuntu-desktop?01:47
supernixOk any idea how best to add the line?01:48
glyph_i used synaptic01:48
apokryphosThat's the recommended way, but it isn't the only obviously..01:48
uniqsupernix: if you know the name of the disk, i knmow what to put in the file. 01:48
apokryphosglyph_: ok. It's most certainly worth apt-getting01:48
MezRiddell: ping01:48
glyph_well its working now01:48
glyph_apt is01:49
glyph_its done01:49
paxwhatever works budy01:49
RiddellMez: hi01:49
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supernixit is sd101:50
_glyphgot it01:50
MezRiddell: who's working on kgpg in the KDE project (and what's the latest verison number available for download - because kgpg = pretty out of date01:50
apokryphos_glyph: cool01:50
_glyphwhat i would like to wine is mIRC01:50
apokryphos_glyph: wasn't that really ugly? Only reason I used to want to use it is because most IRC download sites assume you have it, so integrate well with it01:51
apokryphossuffice it to say, I wouldn't really want it anymore01:51
apokryphos(although, Konvi still has problems with resuming downloads)01:52
RiddellMez: I have kgpg 1.2.1, don't know who's working on it01:52
_glyphyes well i likes trillians irc client but trillian "fell" off the screen agian, agian, and agian...01:52
Mezsame version as me - it's incredibly out of date and needs a couple of bug fixes01:52
Mezwish I knew enought to program that01:53
supernixthis is what i have 01:53
Mezfor example, it doesnt show uid's if the uid has a signature revoked under it01:53
RiddellMez: what's out of date about it?01:53
MezIt doesnt work with the new GPG direct trust model01:53
supernixhere is the line /dev/sda1  /mnt/windows  ntfs  umask=0222  0  001:54
MezIt's reporting trusts of some things wrong01:54
MezIt doesnt set the trust level of a key correctly if the command line is set not to ask for a key level01:54
Mezcert level*01:55
MezThere's quite a few things wrong with it Riddell 01:55
supernixforgot where i found that to insert01:55
supernixso as you can see there is a line there but it aint working01:55
MezFor example Riddell, grab my key from the keyserver, and you'll see it doesnt show my UIDs because it got screwed up by someone.01:55
spermie_411can anybody answer this question? whats is the avarage weight size for a 18 year old male?01:55
_glyphdont know only 1701:56
MezNow I have to delete those sigs to get it to display properly (or supercede my key)01:56
spermie_411_glyph how much u weight01:56
apokryphosspermie_411: Google is your friend01:56
spermie_411apokryphos already looked on google couldnt find it01:57
uniqsupernix: try to change it to: /dev/sda1  /mnt/windows  ntfs  defaults,umask=0222  0  001:57
uniqsupernix: and check that /mnt/windows exists.01:57
_glyphtry webmd01:57
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apokryphoserm... you couldn't have looked hard. http://www.indiachildren.com/htwtc.htm01:58
supernixok uniq so just add defaults, to the code already there ?01:58
spermie_411is there a way u can make x-chat minimize to a tray icon?02:04
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apokryphos(I think this is my third attempt at a konversation conversion today)02:06
apokryphoswe will prevail!02:06
spermie_411dang im below the weight limits for being 18 =(02:07
spermie_411way below avarage02:08
apokryphosI am too, don't worry ;-)02:08
seth_kgo outside and stop talking on IRC, you might bulk up :P02:08
spermie_411good ;)02:08
apokryphosI should be 1.5 years old, apparently02:08
spermie_411ur 1502:09
bbaileyDoes that mean you're 15 in ircyears?02:09
spermie_411heh heh02:09
apokryphosirc is timeless, surely.02:09
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apokryphosyeouch, 1:!0 already.. I guess it's not.02:10
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_glyphsigh mIRC will not wine...02:14
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spermie_411i can't get limewire on kubuntu any idead from anyone?02:16
spermie_411also can't get Zsnes02:17
seth_kI packaged zSNES for Hoary02:17
berkzhaving trouble doing a kubuntu install from harddrive.. Installation says the following .. Copy the following files from the Debian archives to a convenient location on your hard drive, for instance to /boot/newinstall/. 02:17
berkzvmlinuz (kernel binary) 02:17
berkzinitrd.gz (ramdisk image) 02:17
berkzbut where do i find these files?02:17
berkzdebian archive's are kinda huge:D02:17
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spermie_411seth_k i dont know how to install files other then doing apt-get 02:20
seth_kspermie_411: sudo dpkg -i /path/to/the.deb02:20
seth_kberkz: http://wiki.ubuntu.com is my only guess. try searching it02:20
spermie_411seth_k ok sorry about all my stupid questions. but the .deb file is ony my desktop, so should it look like this:   sudo dpkg -i /home/desktop/zsnes_1.420-0ubuntu1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb02:23
berkzseth_k: found it on the forums..  thx02:24
seth_ksudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/zsnesblahblah02:24
seth_k~ is a shortcut to home02:24
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seth_kand Desktop is capitalized (case-sensitive in Linux)02:24
seth_ktab completion is your friend02:25
seth_kuse it02:25
berkzseth_k: The file's are in a subdirectory 11 levels down.. :D02:25
seth_kberkz: =D02:25
spermie_411alright thanks seth_k  ur awsome02:26
spermie_411next mission, Limewire is there a deb. for it?02:27
seth_kno, but there's an rpm02:28
seth_kso download the rpm02:28
seth_ksudo alien -i /path/to/the.rpm02:28
spermie_411whats the alien mean?02:29
seth_kalien turns rpms into debs02:29
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_stris it posible to manage input arrays in javascript?02:33
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_stris it posible to manage input arrays in javascript?02:35
supernixWell I did try the whole reboot and it did not mount the drive again02:37
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spermie_411any of  all ever installed java need help on doing so02:41
uniq?? java02:43
kinfo[java]  take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java02:43
P3L|C4N0?? kvirc02:46
kinfoNo match for "kvirc"02:46
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P3L|C4N0repositories for kvirc 3.2 ???02:48
McScruffcompile from source02:48
McScruffthats what i did02:49
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BockBilbois it possible to configure firefox as the default browser for kubuntu?02:49
McScruffkubuntu only has 2.2.0 02:49
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supernixguys is there a way I can have a command run at boot time?02:50
BockBilbosupernix, check the rc's02:50
supernixWhen the OS is booting it can't mount my SATA but after it boots I can run mount -a and it works fine02:50
McScruffdoes anyone know what DRM is02:51
P3L|C4N0McScruff, a Howto for Kvirc 3.2?02:51
McScruffget source02:52
uniqsupernix: could you put yours complete /etc/fstab on a paste site womehwere?  or upload it somewhere.. 02:52
McScruffextract it02:52
McScruffcd to it02:52
McScruffthen ./configure02:52
McScruffthen make02:52
supernixhmm where is that paste service ?02:52
McScruffthen make instll02:52
uniq?? paste02:53
kinfo[paste]  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com02:53
McScruffits all in the readme02:53
uniqbockbilbo: control center - kde components - component chooser - web browser.02:53
McScruff?? DRM02:53
kinfoNo match for "DRM"02:53
uniqmcscruff: it's evil thing, made by microsoft. digital rights management or something like that.02:55
BockBilbothanks uniq 02:55
uniqbockbilbo: you're welcome.02:56
McScruffuniq, im looking for a linux app to add it02:56
uniqsupernix: /mnt/windows exists and all? 02:56
supernixI see it in /mnt/02:57
uniqah.. you said everything works after a mount -a02:57
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iahimwhat do you people use for tv and fm?02:58
supernixuniq I have to get back to work but I desperately need help bbl02:58
supernixty for everything02:58
uniqsupernix: you can try to add 'ntfs' to /etc/modules, can't think of anything else. you don't get error messages on boot or anything? 03:04
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spermie_411Limewirs stuck on loading HTML engine?03:15
spermie_411nevermind i got it03:15
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spermie_411hey where do i got on kde to add a new mouse theme?03:24
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CavalierBobHi all.03:25
CavalierBobTrying to compile kmymoney2. I keep getting an error at the ./configure point.03:26
CavalierBobconfigure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH03:26
uniqspermie_411: control center - pheripherals - mouse - you'll find the themes tab.03:26
CavalierBobGot GCC, g++, and what looks to be the right libs installed....ideas??03:26
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uniqcavalierbob: install the 'build-essential' package03:27
genniodo you speake spanish??'03:29
gennioneed you install kvirc 3.203:29
CavalierBobuniq: Thanks man! Too simple...it just worked!03:29
gennioi need install kvirc 3.203:31
uniqcavalierbob: you're welcome.03:31
gennioplease help me!!03:31
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seth_ksudo aptitude install kvirc ?03:32
mortarhatehas anyone noticed that blackbox doesn't config itself when you install it03:33
mortarhateusually it does /:03:33
seth_koh, old version03:33
spermie_411The file 5533-Silver-XCursors-3D-0.4.tar.bz2 does not appear to be a valid cursor theme archive.03:34
spermie_411i get that when trying to install a new mouse theme03:34
spermie_4115533-Silver-XCursors-3D-0.4.tar.bz2  <~~ thats what it is03:35
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spermie_411spermie_411 The file 5533-Silver-XCursors-3D-0.4.tar.bz2 does not appear to be a valid cursor theme archive.03:38
spermie_411spermie_411 i get that when trying to install a new mouse theme03:38
spermie_411spermie_411 ^03:38
spermie_411spermie_411 5533-Silver-XCursors-3D-0.4.tar.bz2  <~~ thats what it is03:38
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chris12349does anyone know if there is a deb for k3b 12.2 for ubuntu or should I just compile from source03:40
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sproingiewhat's in the new k3b ?03:45
chris12349I'm hoping for better dvd burning support03:46
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penguinboyHey geeks, nerds, and Linux gurus!03:50
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chris12349hey penguinboy03:52
penguinboyhey hey ehy chris12349 03:52
chris12349I've been running linux for the past 3 years and I've never used irc... I though I should probably know something about it :)03:53
chris12349im compiling k3b....I was hoping for a deb of the newest version but I couldn't find one.... 03:54
uniqit's in breezy, did you check backports? 03:55
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chris12349I'm looking for  12.2 its not in backports yet... I don't think03:56
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jeanlucHey all03:58
jeanluchows it going03:58
chris12349doin' good how about you03:58
penguinboyhey hey hey Mr. Uniq sir03:58
jeanlucjust getting mad at konqueroro03:58
chris12349whats it doing?03:58
jeanluca lot03:58
jeanlucits says "the application konqueror crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV).03:59
jeanlucdoes anyone know what this is?03:59
uniqhi penguinboy.04:00
chris12349I think that can mean a lot of things04:00
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jeanlucyou know about that?04:00
uniqit means konqueror crashed.04:00
jeanluccan I fix it04:00
jeanluccuz it does it everytime I open home folder04:00
uniqdo you use kde 3.4.1 from kubuntu.org? 04:00
jeanlucI think04:00
jeanluchow can I check for sure04:01
jeanlucbut thats where I dloaded it from04:01
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=== ..[topic/#Kubuntu:uniq] : http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/qt4/ | Kubuntu help channel | Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de/ | KOffice 1.4 http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice-14.php | KDE 3.4.1 http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php
chris12349deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main04:01
chris12349I got mine from there04:01
chris12349its pretty stable04:01
jeanlucthats where I got the iso04:02
uniq?? sources.list04:02
kinfo[sources.list]  example /etc/apt/sources.list with all official repositories plus KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4 from kubuntu.org can be found at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/30380204:02
jeanluc?? kde04:02
kinfoNo match for "kde"04:02
uniqjeanluc: you can also press F9 to remove the sidebar, that's what causes the crashes.04:03
jeanlucopened it like 15 times04:04
jeanlucno crash04:04
uniq3.4.1 is more stable.. no doubts.04:04
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chris12349I'm really looking forward to 404:05
jeanlucisn't there a site like kde-look.com or something04:05
jeanlucfor custom kde styles?04:05
chris12349and kde-apps.org 04:05
chris12349wow the latest k3b is nice!04:07
sproingieanything new about it?04:08
=== sproingie found it a pretty nice app. beats the pants off nero for sure
chris12349yeah the gui has changed and it has a popup like amarok04:08
chris12349im still having problems with my burner  though...04:09
chris12349dmesg: Device sr0 not ready.04:09
sproingiealcohol 120 is pretty nice on the win side tho04:09
sproingietho it's not free04:09
jeanlucI use nero04:09
jeanlucthis is nice04:10
chris12349yeah I was looking at that the other day04:10
chris12349if i remember right its 1024x768 :(04:11
jeanlucits weird04:11
uniqgnite guys.04:11
chris12349see ya04:11
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jeanlucchris you know a lot about kubuntu?04:15
chris12349well I used slackware for a couple years and switched right when hoary came out so not a ton04:16
jeanluclol this is my first linux distro04:16
jeanlucand I just installed it today04:16
chris12349I set up a friend last month.  He switch from Windows and there have been a few difficult areas but he really enjoys it. I hope you stick with it04:17
jeanlucya I'm going to stick with it04:17
jeanluconly use windows for gaming04:17
chris12349yep I dual boot for the same reason04:18
jeanlucI heard its not worth the time to try to get games to work in linux04:18
jeanlucso I made a 10 gig partition for windows04:18
chris12349I've tried cedega and it works pretty well for a few games: world of warcraft was the latest I tried and it ran great04:18
jeanlucdon't you have to pay for that?04:18
chris12349yeah I just wanted to try it out.... Pretty cool game but it really requires that you hook yourself up to an IV and play for hours on end to get anywhere04:19
chris12349I can't / dont want to spend quite that much time playing a video game04:19
jeanlucno cedega04:20
chris12349yeah its  5 dollars a month, I though I would support them - its a pretty cool project I look forward to when I don't have to dual boot 04:20
chris12349cool.... I got my burner to work ;)04:21
chris12349apparently it doesnt run DVD-   kinda wierd I'll have to check into that04:21
chris12349so this is your first linux distro?04:22
chris12349have you tried out gnome yet? 04:24
jeanlucI've used it at my friends house04:24
jeanluches running red hat04:24
jeanlucbut I like kde a little better04:25
othernoobjeanluc: who doesn't :p04:25
chris12349I like the software better in KDE, but I really like the look of gnome 04:25
jeanlucI installed04:25
jeanlucwhere can I find it04:25
jeanluc?? kubuntu04:26
kinfoNo match for "kubuntu"04:26
othernoobprobably in the menu04:26
chris12349are you familiar with the konsole?04:26
chris12349:) you'll have to learn 04:26
jeanlucI just copied and pasted04:26
jeanlucwhat people told me to04:26
jeanlucI know basic cmds04:26
jeanluclike ls04:26
chris12349heh ok, did you ever run dos04:26
chris12349oh ok04:26
jeanlucand su04:26
jeanlucand all the dos cmds04:26
chris12349well if you open the console and type "tuxracer" that should do it04:26
jeanlucping, telnet, ect04:26
othernoobjeanluc: you won't need su in kubuntu04:26
chris12349you probably wont be spending a lot of time with that game ;)04:27
sproingiedont need the console for that04:27
othernoobchris12349: people spent years with minesweeper ;)04:28
sproingiealt-f2.  or alt-r if you set up kde to be like windows04:28
sproingieer win-r that is04:28
chris12349oops thats right04:28
sproingieor "run command" from the k menu04:28
chris12349although I would suggest getting familiar using the console as soon as possible04:28
sproingiedoing anything complicated usually requires the console04:29
othernoobdoesn't it create a menu in the kmenu for games when you install them via kynaptic?04:29
jeanluctux it fast04:29
chris12349speaking of games if you are looking for a good strategy game checkout "Battle for Wesnoth"04:30
othernooband a good adventure would be Beneath A Steel Sky04:30
chris12349and I've wasted hours with frozen bubble...thats kind of embarrasing04:30
othernoobit is04:31
jeanlucI love linux04:33
seth_kweren't you in here earlier cursing out Linux?04:34
jeanlucseth_k is back04:34
gennioI need to install kvirc 3.204:40
gennioplease help me!04:40
chris12349see you all later have a good night04:42
gennioI need to install kvirc 3.x04:43
genniosomebody helps me04:43
gennioI need install kvirc 3.x04:44
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spermie_411What am i doing wrong? bash: sudo/etc/init.d/sshd: No such file or directory05:01
spermie_411theres really a space after sudo05:01
PenguinBoyspace needed05:04
spermie_411sudo /etc/init.d/sshd start05:05
spermie_411sudo: /etc/init.d/sshd: command not found05:05
spermie_411says it even with the space there =?05:05
jeanlucHi all05:06
PenguinBoybonjour jeanluc05:06
supernix I am back05:07
jeanlucno french05:07
supernixanyone tried Koffice 1.4 ?05:10
spermie_411where do i got to get a weather station for my town on k weather?05:28
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jeanlucdo you know the cmd05:39
jeanlucfor updating05:39
jeanlucthe source.list thing?05:39
chris12349sudo apt-get update05:39
jeanlucI think im going to re-install05:40
jeanluccuz I screwed some sstuff up with it05:40
jeanlucso I will brb in 30 minutes05:40
chris12349good luck05:40
crimsunsounds drastic05:41
crimsunpersonally, I can't be bothered to reinstall everyday, so I just use a live cd and get the same thing!05:41
chris12349nice I've been thinking of doing that with a webserver05:42
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supernixhey has anyone tried koffice 1.4 yet ?05:49
spermie_411for real tho, can someone gimmie that web address for k weather , so i can get my station i need because it wont let me type it in for some reason06:08
crimsunuse Google to find your station's code06:08
spermie_411i got the station it just wont let me type it in06:10
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spermie_411is there any way I can make the boot up quicker on kubuntu , and make the letters littler because there huge????06:49
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Jeezisis anyone else getting md5sum errors and such from the us archives?07:34
Jeezisi can use the ca archives fine, but they don't have some of the packages i need07:34
crimsunJeezis: yes, us.archive has a known problem07:35
Jeezisis there another archive i should add to my sources.list so i can download any package that the us.archive has?07:36
Jeezisarg >_<07:36
Jeezisso i'm screwed until it's fixed eh?07:36
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othernoobcrimsun: aren't all archives the same?07:38
othernoobso he could use another archive07:38
crimsunthat's what he's doing with ca.archive07:39
crimsunhe could try uk.archive or se.archive or de.archive or fi.archive or ...07:39
othernoobyea but he said the ca archive doesn't have some things07:39
crimsunthe ca mirror is identical to archive07:39
crimsunall are07:40
crimsunhe should inspect his sources.list for discrepancies07:40
supernixI can't get Kmail to retrieve emails from the local server anyone know the fix ?07:40
othernoobi see. it just confused me that he said he can't get the same files from an identical archive07:40
piemanim having trouble with apt-get install xchat and gaim07:43
piemani keep on getting this error07:43
pieman-0ubuntu2_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch07:43
piemanE: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?07:43
Jeezispieman: it's a problem with the us.archive07:44
piemanhow do i fix it?07:44
crimsunuse a different mirror07:45
crimsunuk.archive, se.archive, de.archive, fi.archive, ...07:45
Jeeziswell, you'll have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list07:45
piemando i delete the sources i have in there and put new ones in?07:45
Jeezisjust change the letters "us"  to "ca" or "uk" or whatever in the address07:46
piemanwhat would be the best ones to use?07:46
piemanca? uk?07:46
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Jeezisi'm using ca, apparently they're all the same07:46
Jeezisso it wouldn't matter which one07:46
piemanthank you07:47
Jeezisno problem, i had the same problem as of late07:47
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piemansources.list right07:49
crimsunyes, /etc/apt/sources.list07:50
piemanthen after that do apt-get update?07:51
Jeezisare there also problems with connections being refused to download.ubuntuforums.org?07:51
piemanthank you it works now07:52
Jeezistrying to download that really nice setup script 07:52
Jeezisi try to wget it and it keeps saying the connection was refused07:54
Jeezisis there another place to download the script by chance?07:55
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aseigoJeezis: have you tried google?07:56
Jeezisgood call :-p07:56
Jeezissuccess! :-p07:59
Jeezisarg, there was an error in apt-get update08:02
ValheruLordwhere can i browse ubuntu repo from net08:02
crimsunValheruLord: http://packages.ubuntu.com08:04
crimsunValheruLord: or if you prefer direct links, use http://archive.ubuntu.com08:04
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Jeezisi shan't sleep until i get this script to work!08:07
_piemani wanna update to kde 3.4.1 but i dont no where to put this source deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu hoary-updates main08:07
_piemando i put that any where in the source list?08:07
othernoobi'd assume that you pick a mirror..08:10
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Jeezis...why in the hell would this ubuntusetup script delete my /etc/apt/sources.list file every time i try to run it?08:15
Jeezisoh well, synaptic seems to be working just fine now, kubuntu is so finnicky sometimes :-p08:18
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alphai installed normal ubuntu is then installed kde is there a difference with kubuntu?09:40
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miklerr, if I upgrade my KDE to the latest versions on breezy, I loose kcontrol :(10:50
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miklIs there a replacement, or something?10:51
alphame thinks this channel isdead10:52
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uniqmikl: kde-systemsettings will replace it.10:55
miklah :)10:55
nxv_what do i have to do to enable postgres sql support in apache2/php??10:56
nxv_do i need aditional packages?10:56
uniqyes, install libapache2-mod-auth-pgsql10:56
nxv_uniq: even if i don't want to use it in any way for authentication?10:57
uniqhow do you want to use it? 10:57
uniqjust for php-things? 10:57
uniqthen, install php4-pgsql10:57
nxv_uniq: open an psql db an read write to it10:57
uniqthat is php4-pgsql.10:58
uniqi take it you already have php support in apache? 10:58
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nxv_uniq: i thought i had already installed the package and only searched where to insert it in the config files, my mistake sorry11:00
uniqdon't think you'll have to do anything with the config files.11:00
uniqjust restart apache.11:00
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SixOfThirteenwho's the dude responsible for the libqt3 shmosel in breezy?11:04
nxv_uniq: you're right, i don't have to add it in the php ini. may be an apache2 benefit, haven't used apache since apache2 appeared11:04
uniqsixofthirteen: shmosel?11:05
SixOfThirteenyeah, google isn't sure how it's spelt either... but there is 97 hits for that spelling11:10
uniqwhat is the problem then? 11:12
SixOfThirteenroot@pinocchio:~ # apt-get install kdelibs4c2 kdelibs-bin libqt3-mt libqt3c102-mt libarts1c211:15
SixOfThirteenReading package lists... Done11:15
SixOfThirteenBuilding dependency tree... Done11:15
SixOfThirteenkdelibs-bin is already the newest version.11:15
SixOfThirteenlibqt3c102-mt is already the newest version.11:15
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IceDC571whats all the breezy hype for?12:33
miklWell, it is the next version of (k)ubuntu :)12:34
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hussamis it actually to upgrade to breezy? are there dependency issues?12:35
miklhussam: yes, lots - I have spend a lot of time trying to sort it out :)12:35
Jeezisi just got hoary kubuntu all straightened out :-p i'm using the uk.archive because apparently the us.archive is messed up12:38
Jeezisbut now everything is peachy12:38
IceDC571Jeezis: the us archive is messed up? how?12:39
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nxv_how do i create a user for postgresql? i tried create user in psql. i did createuser -P from the shell as postgres and added a user to the system with adduser as root but still cant connect to my database. always get: psql: FATAL:  IDENT authentication failed for user 12:41
MezRiddell, ping12:41
IceDC571is the us repositories really messed up?12:42
Jeezismd5sum errors left and right IceDC571 12:43
Jeezisat least for me12:43
nikkianxv, only the 'postgres' user can create users initially12:43
IceDC571Jeezis: i thought i was the only one!! damn12:43
nikkianxv, use sudo -u postgres psql12:43
IceDC571Jeezis: so whats the address for the uk reps?12:43
JeezisIceDC571: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and in the addresses replace 'us' with 'uk'12:44
hussammikl: but as breezy approaches final, upgrading will be possible, right?12:44
nikkianvx, or better still sudo -u postgres createuser12:44
IceDC571Jeezis: alright thanks!12:44
JeezisIceDC571: then do an apt-get update12:44
miklhussam: upgrading will always be possible12:44
IceDC571nikkia: do you have a cat?12:44
nikkiaIceDC571: erm, not anymore, why?12:44
JeezisIceDC571: no problem man, glad i could finally help someone else :-p12:45
hussammikl: i'12:45
hussammikl: i'll try again12:45
IceDC571just wondering12:45
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IceDC571i think im starting to love kde now12:46
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nikkiaice, had to leave mine with a relative in the US when i moved from the US->UK12:47
nikkiafairer than subjecting her to 6 months in quarentine12:47
IceDC571does konqueror have any embedded media support.. like viewing videos on webpages?12:47
IceDC571nikkia: ahh, i see. can i ask why you moved to the uk?12:47
JeezisIceDC571: kde>gnome12:48
nikkiaice, i'm british by birth, moved to the US, but then my immigration status got all messed up, and was broke, needed to get a job, and so had to come back to the UK where i could legally work12:48
Jeezis*kde>all :-p12:48
Jeezisok gotta go12:49
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IceDC571nikki, wow, what a lifestyle. i'm glad you finally get to be in the uk after all thats happened12:50
IceDC571i'm new to kde, are there any media "plugins" for konqueror?12:50
AXEPTyes libdvdcss2   and w32codecs12:51
miklIceDC571: what kind of media-plugins?12:52
AXEPTjust tipe it after sudo apt-get install12:52
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miklAXEPT: did you even bother to read the question?12:52
IceDC571mikl: like how totem could be a player in mozilla browsers.. i want to know if theres a movie plugin for konqueror12:52
miklIceDC571: I think you can have kplayer or kaffeine do that for you12:53
IceDC571alright, well i should be going. i have to install an ubuntu server12:54
AXEPTsorry that s for kaffeine12:54
IceDC571i'll be back thanks everyone12:54
AXEPTmikl are you there12:55
miklAXEPT: yes?12:56
AXEPTdo you know if there s a chance to make a partition just for home12:56
miklyes, I do that myself :)12:57
AXEPTcan we choose it in the begginnin of instalation12:58
miklI don't know whether that's posible - I did it after I finished the installation12:59
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AXEPTis there any tutorial on wiki for it?01:00
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hussammikl: did you upgrade to breezy?01:19
miklhussam: I'm doing that right now01:19
hussammikl: there are no restricted modules for breezy, yet right?01:19
miklhussam: no, it doesn't seem to01:19
miklI didn't upgrade my kernel ;)01:20
hussammikl: I'll upgrade to breezy once they make restricted modules for breezy. 01:20
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hussammikl: are you upgrading xorg as well?01:21
miklhussam: yes01:21
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ChuffyKowhey guys, is this a proper forum to ask about a missing wireless interface?01:32
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ManeitenHi. What's the easiest way to install java (runtime) in kubuntu?01:52
apokryphosManeiten: sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.501:52
ManeitenWill that automagicaly make java work in browsers (firefox)?01:54
apokryphosManeiten: with restarting firefox, yeah.01:56
Maneitenallright, thanks :901:56
hussamManeiten: no you have to make a synlink to get it to work in firefox01:56
hussamI guess01:56
Maneitenwho's right here? :P01:57
apokryphoshussam: not the case with this package01:57
apokryphos(I'm 90% sure)01:57
hussamapokryphos: Ok I got that.01:57
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hussamapokryphos: maybe the symlink is automatically made in this package.01:58
ManeitenIt worked. :)01:58
apokryphosMost probably01:58
hussammikl: how did the upgrade work?01:58
miklhussam: it looks promising so far01:59
hussammikl: cool, did you have to reconfigure x or edit xorg or something like that?02:01
qbitI'm still stuck on dial up and was wondering how big download-wise updating from hoary to breezy is?02:01
miklhussam: yes, the fonts have been moved, so I had to change their location in the config-file02:01
qbitis it "huge"?02:01
hussamqbit: depends, mine would be 700MB, but I'm on a slow conenction as well.02:02
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apokryphosYeah, around 400+ megs02:03
apokryphosShouldnt' really upgrade to breezy yet though..02:03
qbiti needed to know if it could be done in a one night d/l02:03
apokryphosdefinitely not02:03
qbitfor when the time comes around....02:03
apokryphos(with dial up)02:03
hussamqbit: it would take 50 hours or so , do it on a weekend02:04
hussamqbit: that's what I'm planning on doing.02:04
qbitthat's just it - I can't keep the phone tied up during the day02:04
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qbitgotta get broadband one of these days  :-)02:04
apokryphos(ok, a long one)02:05
hussamqbit: you don't have to do it at once.02:05
hussamqbit: you can do it gradually, 02:05
qbityou mean it can be paused and resumed later - very cool02:05
qbitor just pieces at a time - I can usually get 120 - 160 MB a night02:06
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hussamapt-get even supports resuming if I'm not wrong, anybody?02:06
apokryphos'course. They're stored in /var/cache/apt/archives/02:06
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[ubu-e] rathmahi all02:06
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hussamqbit: how much rate do you get per hour?02:06
apokryphosYou'll want to do the actual *installation* part in one go, though02:06
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qbitit varies from about 12 to 16 depending on how the ISP is feeling02:07
hussamqbit: same here, at night it gets faster 16 to 19, but during the day it is slower.02:07
apokryphosIt's worth noting though, that during development periods, packages will change daily02:08
qbityes - I'm not interested in anything but release to release02:09
apokryphosOk, cool.02:09
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hussamapokryphos: then I should probably wait till september?02:09
qbitwith FreeBSD it takes on average an hour and a half to update all the system source from release to release02:10
apokryphoshussam: if you have a modem... pretty much, yeah.02:10
apokryphosOr better you can just get one of the arrays and upgrade from that02:10
apokryphos(the CDs)02:10
hussamapokryphos: the milestone cds, how often are they released?02:11
apokryphoshussam: this is how it happened last time: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryReleaseSchedule02:12
apokryphosOnce the first one is out, around every month after that...02:12
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hussami have a question. I still only have 27GB of space left on my hard disk, is there any way to move the installation to a bigger drive? 02:16
hussamI have ubuntu installed on hdb02:16
OculusAquilaeand where are the 27GB?02:17
hussam27gb left on hdb102:17
OculusAquilaeand where do you have more space?02:18
OculusAquilaeand hda?02:18
hussamI might get a bigger hard disk.02:18
OculusAquilaeand the old hd is going out of the pc?02:18
hussamhda has windows xp oem ( it came with the computer ). I attached a hdb and installed kubuntu02:19
OculusAquilaein general it must be possible to copy the content, but a reinstall could be simplier02:19
OculusAquilaeor did you much on the installation?02:20
OculusAquilaei mean exept the home folder02:21
OculusAquilaeinstalling software usw.02:21
hussamat the moment I have a lot of stuff installed, including a lot of dev packages.02:22
OculusAquilaei think you can simply copy the files but 27GB are a lot02:22
OculusAquilaeand you must change /etc/fstab02:23
OculusAquilaeand /boot/grub/menu.lst02:23
qbiti use partimage to backup an image of my hdb102:23
OculusAquilaebut i never tried it 02:23
OculusAquilaeyes making an image is also a good idea02:23
qbitbut that wouldn't cover the swap or the fdisk you would need to move it somewhere else02:23
hussamOculusAquilae: at this time , 27GB is plenty, but it might fill out in the future,02:24
qbityou could do a fresh install to get the extended part with the swap and then just reimage overtop02:24
OculusAquilaein the future there will come breezy and you can make a reinstall :-)02:24
qbitor just fdisk out the new disk manually02:24
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hussamI have the current swap - 2800MB.02:25
qbitI've only got about 2.2GB and it takes 6 minutes to image02:25
OculusAquilaehussam so much swap, how much ram do you have02:25
hussamonly 384MB02:25
insanekanehussam: 8GB RAM ?02:25
insanekaneoh right :P02:25
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OculusAquilae800 MB is enougt with 384 MB RAM02:26
OculusAquilaeor 40002:26
qbitonce you get to a gig or so swap becomes less of an issue02:26
insanekaneOculusAquilae: didn't you ask some question on the kubuntu-devel mailing list ?02:26
hussamOculusAquilae: powered by 1.3 ghz (slower than a turtle ) Celeron 256k cache cpu.02:26
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OculusAquilaeinsanekane: yes02:27
insanekaneOculusAquilae: what was it ?02:27
OculusAquilaeinsanekane: It was about helping the kubuntu project02:28
insanekaneOculusAquilae: was it about python ?02:28
OculusAquilaenot directly a question02:28
insanekaneOculusAquilae: yes ... helping kubuntu using python ?02:28
OculusAquilaeinsanekane: hm, python, i haven't learned it yet02:29
insanekaneoh .. so then it wasnt you02:29
OculusAquilaebut it is interesting02:29
buzdo what with python02:29
insanekaneoh sorry ..02:29
insanekaneyou said you know C++ not python ... my mistake02:29
insanekanebuz: write some nice user-helper-agents :)02:30
insanekanei wrote one in Python ... to rename the items in media:// (instead of the ugly stuff now there). just wondering which package (if any) to contribute it02:31
OculusAquilaeis there anyone doing something like the gnome-app-installer for kde?02:32
Mezwhats the best way to work with DVDRams in kubuntu02:32
insanekaneOculusAquilae: you mean like a better verision of kynaptic ?02:32
insanekaneMez: probably02:32
mikllibqt4-gui depends on libqt4-qt3support (>= 4.0.0); libqt4-qt3support depends on libqt4-gui (>= 4.0.0);02:33
OculusAquilaeno, a tool for, lets say beginners02:33
miklhow intriguing02:33
insanekaneOculusAquilae: i intended to do that ... but, got stuck02:33
insanekanemikl: :)02:33
qbita cyclical dependency - ineteresting  :-)02:34
miklyes, very curious02:36
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nikkiamez, DVD-Ram appears to the system as a regular hard drive, there is no need to use any burning app, just mkfs the drive with a writable fs and mount it02:38
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Meznikkia, except that my comp auto-sees it as ro :D cause it's a CD drive :D02:39
nikkiamez, are you sure its not because you have a UDF formatted disk?02:39
MezI probably do :D02:39
MezIt was formatted with nero before02:39
nikkiai've used DVD-Ram on linux, and i always formatted the disks as ext3 with mkfs, then just mounted it, and it was rw02:40
insanekaneMez: how many times can you fully overwrite a DVD RAM ?02:40
nikkiaUDF on linux is sketchy (its sketchy on windows, tbh, needs special drivers which are usually buggy)02:40
Mezinsanekane, no idea /me reads pacakaging02:40
nikkiainsanekane: gen 1 disks around 500k times, gen 2 disks more than that02:40
insanekane500k wow :)02:40
insanekanethats 500 times more than a CDRW02:41
nikkiaor perhaps its 50k? it doesn't matter much, its a lot, more than you'll likely ever need02:41
Meznikkia, how can i tell whether its a gfen 1 or a gen 2 disk?02:41
nikkiamez, if its type 1 or 2 its gen1, if its type 3 or 4 its gen202:41
Mezhow can i tell what type though02:41
nikkiamez, look on the disk, it should say 'DVD-RAM Type II' or something02:42
nikkiafailing that, is the disk in a cartridge? is the cartridge openable?02:42
Meznikkia, no it just looks like a normal DVD with different pattern on abck side02:42
MezIt says02:42
MezRW Disc Version 2.1/3x Speed DVD RAM Revision 1.002:43
nikkiawhat is the capacity ?02:43
nikkiasingle sided?02:43
nikkiagen 202:43
nikkiagen 1 disks max at 2.6GB/side02:44
Mezsingle sided02:44
MezDVD RAM 4.7 Gc single Sided Rewriteable02:44
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nikkiamez, there is one issue i found i didn't like about dvd-ram...02:46
Mezwhich is?02:46
nikkiathe way linux caches disk writes, and then drops them to disk every 30 seconds, makes copying big files to the disk absolutely cripple your system02:47
Mezthen use a non journalling system :F02:47
nikkiayou can mount the disk as synchronous, which means when a byte is written, it is written rather than cached, but that often makes things 'far too slow' to copy02:47
nikkiamez, its not about the journal02:47
insanekanemaybe its a feature of the dvd ram driver ?02:47
nikkiainsane, no, its a limitation of the linux fs methodology02:48
insanekaneoh right02:48
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nikkiainsanekane: if you copy 300MB to the disk, it'll fill almost all of the cache buffers, then after 30 seconds 'sync' happens, and locks the fs code until the sync ends, which will take about 20 minutes02:48
insanekanenikkia: is it being revamped ?02:48
nikkiainsanekane: not afaik02:48
insanekaneoh that sucks02:48
nikkiainsanekane: the workaround i used, was to patch cp and mv, so that they accepted a '--cachesize=' parameter02:49
insanekanehow come they havent changed it ?02:49
Meznikkia - I'm assuming that's to DVD only... it doesnt work like that on hDD right?02:49
insanekanewhat would that do ?02:49
nikkiaso i would do cp --cachesize=4MB some_big_file.avi /mnt/dvd-ram02:49
nikkiathen, it would force that fs to sync after every 4MB, which only takes a few seconds to write02:49
nikkiaerm, --cachesize=4M that is02:50
nikkiai stole the 'human readable numbers' code from dd :)02:50
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Mezoh no02:50
MezI need a tgz cause of like..02:50
nikkiai experimented a little, and found that 2-4MB was generally the best tradeoff between speed and system performance02:50
Mezpoopy stuff02:50
Mezroot files etc02:51
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nikkia(copying with the fs mounted 'sync' would take 13-16 hours to fill the disk)02:51
insanekanenikkia: but this problem ... it kills the general purpose desktop :)02:51
apokryphosall the main ones are out at the moment, but I'm sure it'll be alright02:51
cafuegoapokryphos: I'll ask 'em first regardless.02:52
nikkiainsanekane: i contemplated modifying the fs 'sync' option so that IT would limit cache size for each filesystem, but it isn't an easy job02:52
cafuegoapokryphos: Don't want no +q or +b on the bot.02:52
apokryphoscafuego: Ok, cool. Riddell, amu, or haggai you could ask02:52
nikkiainsanekane: adding a feature to the fs backend that takes '-o sync=4M' to mount would be really useful02:52
nikkiainsanekane: it'd help out with some network shares too02:53
insanekanenikkia: dont the linux devels know about this problem ?02:53
nikkiainsanekane: very few people use random access optical media, i doubt its a major issue for many people02:53
cafuegoapokryphos: I'll idle here until they show up (and I'm awake) then I'll ask.02:53
nikkiainsanekane: i haven't tested to see how linux handles +RW disks formatted ext2/3 yet tho02:53
apokryphoscafuego: Alrighty, sounds good.02:54
insanekanenikkia: but you said this problem affects hard-disk-to-hard-disk copy also ...02:54
nikkiainsanekane: not to a noticable degree02:54
insanekaneoh right :P02:54
apokryphoscafuego: I used to have my bot in here, but admittedly he wasn't nearly as comprehensive as ubotu.02:54
apokryphoscafuego: he a certain type of bot?02:54
nikkiainsanekane: in the case of copying between 2 HDs, the speed is high enough that cache flushing isn't a problem really, unless you're copying REALLY big files02:55
nikkiainsanekane: if you try to copy a 10GB file between drives, you'll notice it, sure02:55
cafuegoapokryphos: He's a blootbot; the cvs version with a few hacks, to make it use the ubuntu Package archives.02:55
insanekanenikkia: yes, i have tried ... and it is slow02:55
nikkiainsanekane: the difference is, because DVD-RAM is so slow, your system becomes unresponsive for dozens of minutes to fill a whole disk02:56
cafuegoapokryphos: buggy POS, actually ;-)02:56
hussamwhy does dh -b give me wrong values02:56
hussamany one knows?02:56
cafuegoapokryphos: Had to add in a bunch of debug code to make it not drop the mysql connection a few times a day02:56
apokryphosHehe. Indeed. The slowest and most bloated bot in the world02:56
insanekanenikkia: yeah i get it02:57
nikkiahussam, dh?02:57
nikkiahussam: do you mean du ?02:57
apokryphoscafuego: their personal description ;-)02:57
hussamsorry df -h02:57
nikkiahussam: what is 'wrong' about it?02:57
apokryphos( http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ )02:57
cafuegoapokryphos: Ubotu is faster then the other bunch that run on #debian anyway :-)02:58
nikkiahussam, are you referring to the 1024 vs 1000 issue (df -H uses SI units, ie, similar to drive manufacturers), or are you referring to the missing 10% 'free' on each drive02:58
hussam df -h says i have 2 GB more disk space than I actually have02:58
apokryphosReally? They sure do love their bots 8)02:58
cafuegoMind you, dpkg runs on some celeron box02:58
cafuegoubotu is a proper athlon with a GB of ram :-)02:58
nikkiahussam, can you paste an example of what you mean to a pastebin ?02:59
hussamnikkia: I have 27.0GB of empty space according to konqueror but df -h says 29GB03:00
apokryphoscafuego: is there a way to list currently the things he "knows" (i.e. packages is at http://askfdj)03:00
insanekanehussam: round off errors ?03:00
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cafuegoapokryphos: http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/ has a 20-per-page listing03:00
apokryphosexcellent description of ubuguide, if a little harsh :P03:01
hussaminsanekane: no because konq says 16% used but df says 11% used03:01
insanekaneoh right03:02
nikkiahussam, konqueror's disk meta-info is broken, severely03:04
nikkiafrom one of my drives, in konq:    Free: 2.5GB   Total: 112.7GB   Used: 104.4GB   Usage: 19%03:04
nikkiahussam, take df's word over konqueror's on this :)03:05
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jeanlucHI every one I have a question03:08
jeanlucis anyone hear?03:08
jeanlucwell can some one tell me who to update my sources.list?03:08
jjesseupdate your sources for?03:09
jeanlucI had to re-install kubuntu03:09
jeanlucand before I had to update a sources.list file03:09
jeanlucso I could dload stuff in kynaptic03:09
jjesseok then from the run command type kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list03:10
jjesseput in your password and conenct03:10
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apokryphosjeanluc: same as yesterday... sudo cd /etc/apt ; sudo mv sources.list sources1.list ; sudo wget http://giannaros.org/sources.list03:11
apokryphosthen sudo apt-get update03:11
apokryphosthat guide again..... http://kudos.berlios.de03:11
jeanlucok ty aporky03:13
jeanlucand I emailed it to me incase I have to reformat again.03:13
RiddellMez: pong03:17
jeanlucyouz: ping03:17
jeanlucafter getting the update do I have to restart?03:18
apokryphoscafuego: Riddell says it's ok ;-)03:22
jeanlucI'm still getting 03:22
jeanlucthe some packages could not be recived from server error03:23
jeanlucin kynaptic03:23
cafuegoRiddell: Is that true?03:24
Riddellcafuego: so long as nobody gets annoyed03:24
cafuegoRiddell: Kay, if they do, make them /msg me :-)03:25
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apokryphosubotu: hi03:27
cafuegoenjoy ;-)03:27
jeanluccan you help me03:27
apokryphosjeanluc: what's the problem?03:27
jeanlucsame thing can't get the packages in kynaptic03:27
jeanluceven after I did those cmds and they all worked03:27
apokryphosjeanluc: did you get any errors in the process described above?03:27
apokryphosok, what package?03:27
jeanlucim trying to get firefox03:28
jeanlucin kynaptic but03:28
jeanlucwhen I do it says03:28
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jeanlucuh oh03:28
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jeanluccan you connect to my pc?03:28
jeanluccuz now im seeing stuff i have never seen03:28
apokryphoscan you pastebin it?03:29
jeanlucwhats paste pin?03:29
jeanlucidk what that is03:29
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Tm_TI'm stupid04:01
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nikkiatm_t, that's good to know :P04:04
Tm_Tnikkia: no shit =)04:05
nikkiafeel quite stupid myself right now04:06
Tm_Tnikkia: I try to figure out how I can download sources from svn in losedows04:06
nikkiajust got a conversion between euros and chips wrong, and watched as my 'jackpot 240' machine paid out 10,00004:06
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jpatrickmy installation says that it can't install the kernel :(04:14
jpatrickwhat should I do?04:14
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jpatrickI'll just download another iso file then04:19
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BockBilbocan anyone tell me where are the icon files of kde in kubuntu?04:29
BockBilboi cant find them in /usr/share/pixmaps04:29
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BockBilbosorry, not explained correctly04:30
BockBilboi have some in there04:30
BockBilbobut some others are missing04:30
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nikkiadid you look in the many directories under /usr/share/icons ?04:30
BockBilbolet me see04:30
nikkiaone or two under there:   nikki@nikki:/usr/share/icons$ find . -type f | wc -l            13697    :)04:31
BockBilbothere are some there, ys04:33
BockBilboim finding the one for kfloppy04:34
nikkiatry 'locate kfloppy.png'04:34
BockBilbo:S need to update the db04:34
BockBilbohold on04:34
nikkiahmmm, the 'kids' iconset looks cute04:35
jeanluccan some  one help me04:36
jeanlucI accidently removed the task bar04:36
jeanluchow do I get it back04:36
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BockBilbofound them04:37
nikkiajeanluc: right click on the panel, select 'add to panel' 'applets' 'taskbar'04:37
jpatrickright the desktop click configure04:37
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jpowersjeanluc: right click kicker and Add to panel > Applets > Taskbar04:37
jpatrickand that too04:37
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jeanlucthank ou04:37
nikkiathank god for beep, i'd go insane if i couldn't listen to this song at least 3 times an hour04:38
jpatrickcan't install kernel04:39
nikkiajpatrick: obviously something's broken there04:39
jpatrickI installed it yesterday from the same CD04:40
nikkiajpatrick, maybe you chose the wrong option somewhere, like which disk to install to04:40
jpatrickthe C which had a ext3 partition04:41
Tm_Toh yes \o/04:41
Tm_Ttortoisesvn saves04:41
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jpatrick4 hours and 5 minutes remaining...04:42
Tm_Tmarkku: oh, german host?04:42
jpatrickIf this doesn't work I'll download ubuntu and install KDE later04:43
supernix crap just got finished downloading a 7mb file only to find out I don't have support for rar files04:45
apokryphossupernix: sudo apt-get install rar04:45
supernixI have ARK installed but it does not seem to support rar files04:45
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jeanluchow do I get my  home folder to show on desk top :S04:47
supernixit spit out a message that rar was not available or something like that04:47
Tm_Toffline ->04:47
paxJul 12 07:13:19 localhost postfix/smtp[20913] : connect to gsmtp171.google.com[] : Connection timed ou(port 25)04:47
supernixty for your help apokryphos at least we tried04:47
paxwtf is that?04:47
apokryphossupernix: enable Universe and you'll be fine04:48
apokryphos!find rar04:49
paxwhere does postfix store info about email addresses and where to connect?04:49
ubotuUbuntu Package Listing of 'rar' (11 shown): guile-library ;; libdata-hierarchy-perl ;; lush-library ;; musiclibrarian ;; partlibrary ;; rar ;; rarpd ;; sdcc-libraries ;; unrar ;; unrar-nonfree ;; xml-resume-library.04:49
supernixactually it is enabled04:49
supernixI did see something that said unrar but it wont support 3.0 and up archives04:49
apokryphossupernix: whoops, multiverse I meant04:50
supernixso unless your dealing with a very old archive I don't think it would work04:50
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supernixOIC what is multiverse ?04:50
apokryphosfor non-free/non-supported packages04:50
jeanlucis there a program for kubuntu that plays dvds?04:50
apokryphossupernix: add "multiverse" to the line wth "universe" in it04:50
nikkiajeanluc: xine and mplayer, among others04:50
supernixah ok does the packages in that category mark themselves as being from the multiverse so I can tell them apart ?04:51
FraeonSo, we have Hoary Hedgehog, Warty Warthog and Breezy Badger. When will we have Corny Crocodile and Potty Porcupine? :>04:51
apokryphossupernix: not really04:51
apokryphosFraeon: all in good time ;-)04:51
markkuI got the latest Kubuntu running on amilo/amd64, but cannot find the kernel-sources. can someone give me a hint?04:52
jeanlucI get an error04:54
jeanlucwhen I play the dvd04:54
nikkiayeah, you probably don't have the restricted plugins/libs installed04:54
ubotuhmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats04:54
jeanlucthe source can't be read. Maybe you don't have enough rights for this or source doesn't contian data 04:54
nikkiayou need to install xine from universe, iirc04:55
jeanluchow do I go about    doing that?04:55
nikkiaread that url above :)04:56
supernixapokryphos: is it just me or is that unrar program not free ?04:59
jeanlucthank you04:59
jeanlucI got dvds working now :D :D04:59
jeanlucno sound :(05:00
nikkiajeanluc, you probably need to reconfigure xine to play sound via artsd05:00
apokryphossupernix: all software in Multiverse has not been determined to be Free Software05:00
nikkiaor setup dmix if you find artsd too jittery05:00
apokryphossupernix: it's a "use it at your own risk" and "stuff not officially supported by Ubuntu". Suffice it to say, it doesn't stop me downloading stuff from there05:01
supernixhave you used unrar ?05:01
nikkiajeanluc: i'd point you at a page to help you with dmix, but we're not allowed to recommend ubuntuguide anymore :P05:01
apokryphossupernix: I have before... only really used rar lately though05:01
supernixok just wanted to check before I install I got the hang of the installs it is the uninstalls that I still don't know nothing about05:02
apokryphosamaroK wiki had good ones as I remember05:02
apokryphos(that too)05:02
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apokryphosubotu: dmix is at http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Setting_up_Dmix_for_ALSA05:03
ubotuokay, apokryphos05:03
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nikkiaapokryphos: iirc, that one doesn't work as well for OSS stuff because it lacks the mapping stanza05:05
apokryphosQuite a shame that ubuntu users and ubuntu guide should fall out like this though05:06
nikkiaapokryphos: i know i've tried that dmix setup on that wiki, and had problems with it05:06
supernixwhat is happening to those two apokryphos ?05:06
apokryphosnikkia: oh? I only remember setting up dmix once in the past, and amaroK did it right for me05:06
nikkiaapokryphos: iirc, it works fine for alsa apps and arts....05:07
apokryphossupernix: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines05:07
apokryphosnikkia: oh riht, you mentioned OSS, I  see.05:07
nikkiaapokryphos: it just doesn't work for stuff like java, flashplayer, etc that still use OSS, and don't work too well with aoss05:07
apokryphosdamn this keyboard05:07
apokryphosnikkia: know of a guide with the mapping stanza?05:08
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nikkiaapokryphos: well, its 'bindings' not mapping... and the amorok wiki includes it, but not as a global stanza05:08
nikkiaapokryphos: the ubuntuguide one has it as a global stanza05:09
nikkiai don't know if that's WHY OSS doesn't work properly, but it seems to be the major difference between the two05:09
nikkia(although there are a million different ways to configure dmix anyway)05:09
nikkiathe amarok wiki has a flaw, too, IMO05:09
nikkiait vaguely hints at locking the sample rate to 44100 (its commented out...) whereas you're better locking it to 48kHz as many sound cards don't like 44100 these days05:10
apokryphosnikkia: your chance to help them by editing ;-)05:10
nikkiaall of the SBlive family force 48KHz for example05:10
supernixok so your talking about them advising people to not visit unbuntuguid.org05:10
nikkiaas do a lot of onboard AC97 solutions (SBLive is a AC97 setup anyway)05:10
apokryphosre: ubuguide.. nevermind, I guess. Time for the kubuntuguide to come shining through :P05:10
apokryphossupernix: correct. I don't think they're wrong in doing so, too. Uncompromising author there05:11
supernixlooks like they would work together and ensure that their content closely matches05:11
nikkiaapokryphos: the only issue i have with the 'don't tell people to read ubuntuguide' is that they CLAIM that the ubuntu wiki covers everything on guide... clearly it doesn't, as there is no dmix setup hints05:11
nikkiaand dmix comes up here so often that it gets annoying05:12
apokryphosnikkia: they claim that? Of course it doesn't05:12
apokryphoskudos doesn't have it yet, too05:12
nikkiaapokryphos: iirc it makes the claim, i can't remember the URL to the 'don't use ubuntuguide' page tho05:13
apokryphosKudos author seems like a genuinely great guy. Subject to quite a lot at the moment, so it's to be expected that he won't edit for a few weeks at least05:13
apokryphosnikkia: heh, oh wait, they do05:14
supernixI have found the Kudos site very helpful and answers more questions that I had05:14
apokryphosAll information on Ubuntuguide.org is present on the wiki in clearer and better form05:14
nikkiayeah, BS :P05:14
apokryphosat: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines05:14
nikkiathat's the one05:14
apokryphosI'm editing that out05:14
nikkiai will credit the amarok instructions in one sense, they mention you can save it as .asoundrc rather than /etc/asound.conf, which i find a good idea05:16
apokryphosI wonder how the guy will react if *everyone* tells people not to use it...05:17
nikkiaas if you put it in /etc/asound.conf, it creates /tmp sockets for the dmix plug, and if anything goes wrong, it usually requires a reboot to re-enable dmix, whereas if its in .asoundrc, it generally resets if you log out/in05:17
apokryphosI use xine engine for amaroK these days; pretty pleased, I'd say.05:17
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apokryphosI see05:18
nikkiaits the difference between alsa trying to use dmix system-wide, and using it per user :)05:18
nikkiai just realised how obvious that statement was, sorry :)05:18
nikkiaits too hot!05:18
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apokryphosno complaints here ;-). London is usually wet n' miserable05:19
nikkiaapokryphos: still, this is nothing, they CLAIMED that july would be 40C highs05:19
nikkiawe haven't had it so far, have we? but i have a nasty feeling the rest of the month is going to be hell05:19
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nikkia(i'm just north of london, so you know)05:20
apokryphosA fellow Londoner? :-O05:20
apokryphosCool. I used to live up North there. Whereabouts?05:20
danie1hi all, i have a problem05:20
nikkiaapokryphos: not quite, i'm within the M25 ring, part of the suburban sprawl :)05:20
nikkiaapokryphos: hertfordshire, just south of harlow05:20
apokryphosnikkia: whoop, thought you said north London for a sec there. 05:21
apokryphosnikkia: not 40, not close, nope. 05:21
danie1i installed kubuntu a few days ago, then i installed xfce from the repositories, and now neither will start :(05:21
nikkiano, altho i've lived in enfield before, which is the same basic post code as here, and IS north london :)05:21
apokryphosnikkia: though I went out around 9 the other day and it was 28C.. impressive.05:21
jeanluchow do I get mp3 to work in kubuntu05:21
nikkiaapokryphos: i think that's what its sposed to be today05:21
jeanlucits gay that they don't work05:21
danie1i get the error "no write access to /home/daniel/.ICE"something05:21
jeanlucthey should05:21
danie1anyone know how to fix this?  or how i could have caused it?05:22
nikkiadanie1: that's odd, .ICE* is supposed to be in /tmp for just this reason :)05:22
danie1what is it, anyway?05:22
nikkiadanie1: its used for interprocess communication between apps05:22
nikkiadcop uses it05:23
nikkiaah, there is a .ICEauthority in your homedir05:23
danie1ah, that's it :)05:23
danie1might the different environment have changed something?05:23
nikkiadanie1: you can probably safetly delete it, but you will probably need to restart X after you do05:23
nikkiadanie1: its possible, yes05:23
nikkia.ICEauthority contains your magic cookies that allows apps to authenticate with X05:24
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danie1kdm starts...should i do a console login, then "sudo rm /home/daniel/.ICEauthority"?05:24
apokryphosdanie1: you could do it now, then log out and restart X05:24
nikkiadanie1: you could do that, or you could do it in a konsole window, then hit ctrl-alt-backspace05:24
nikkiaapokryphos: logging out of X might not work, since the logout program probably needs to connect to X :)05:25
danie1but i can't start kde, so i can't get konsole :P05:25
nikkiadanie1: oh, do it on a console login then05:25
nikkiayou might still need to restart X at the kdm screen by pressing ctrl-alt-backspace though05:26
apokryphosnikkia: heh, oh.05:26
nikkiaapokryphos: magic cookie problems can be a real pain like that :)05:26
danie1when kubuntu worked, i loved it ;)05:27
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jeanlucomg I want my mp3s05:30
jeanluc:( :(05:30
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danie1nikkia: well, i did a console login, did a sudo rm, then a startx, and xfce started.  progress!!!05:31
danie1nikkia: if xfce has set itself as the default x server, is there a way to restart kde?  startx starts xfce, kdm does nothing, startkde needs startx first...05:32
danie1i think i''l just restart05:33
nikkiadanie1: its not an X server, per se, its a desktop environment, if you use kdm to login to X, rather than starting X from the command line, then you can change login session type from xfce to kde there05:33
nikkiaas to why kdm isn't starting? that could be /tmp's .ICE-unix directory or something05:34
nikkiaa reboot should wipe /tmp, so it might be easier than trying to work it out :)05:34
danie1nikkia: no, after a console login, typing kdm never did anything for me...i don't think it's supposed to, is it?05:35
nikkiakdm is supposed to be started by the system05:35
nikkia//etc/init.d/kdm restart   should restart it05:35
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nikkia(just one / at the start of that line)05:36
danie1nikkia: i just rebooted, and kde works!  thank you!05:36
danie1nikkia: every irc channel needs knowledgeable helpers :)05:37
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danie1i'm usually helping out on #firefox on irc.mozilla.org...that's my specialty...but more importantly, i'm also able to help out the occasional user who only speaks spanish :P05:38
danie1btw, do you happen to know why xfce asks me for my password every time i hit shut down from within it?05:39
nikkianot really, i haven't really used xfce much05:40
danie1it also doesn't show all the shutdown steps like shutting down from kde does (like shutting down processes, unmounting drives, etc.)05:41
apokryphosdanie1: that's because you're using KDM05:42
apokryphosGNOME wouldn't let you do that, neither, since it does it through GDM.05:43
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danie1apokryphos: ah, thanks. it's not a problem, really, i was just curious (being the semi-n00b that i am ;))05:44
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nikkiabest thing about KDE IMO, is dcop05:45
nikkiaalthough hardly anyone knows about it05:45
McScruffim using KBluetoothD but i cant connect to one of my mobiles, how do i change the  bluetooth connection code on the pc05:45
apokryphosnikkia: best? ;-) I dunno. Amazing -- yes.05:46
danie1nikkia: what is dcop?05:46
apokryphosI don't use it that much though; on the odd occassion, or when playing around with skaramba05:46
McScruffRSS utilities for KDE05:46
McScruffkdenetwork-dcoprss is a RSS to DCOP bridge, allowing all05:46
McScruffDCOP aware applications to access RSS news feeds. There is also05:46
McScruffa few sample utilities provided.05:46
McScruffRSS is a standard for publishing news headlines.05:46
McScruffDCOP is the KDE interprocess communication protocol.05:46
nikkiaMcScruff: its /etc/bluetooth/pin05:46
nikkiadanie1: mcscruff's description downplays it a bit05:46
nikkiait allows you to script inter-process communication05:47
danie1hmmm...i wouldn't call an invisible feature the best feature05:47
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McScruffnikkia ,, my description was the one on symptec05:47
nikkiadanie1: its not invisible, the dcop util can be used to send function requests to apps05:47
apokryphosI sometimes have problems finding just what I want from dcop; can't remember if kdcop solves any of those problemos05:47
nikkiadanie1: it allows you to do SOME of the things that apple users can do with applescript05:48
nikkianot QUITE that powerful, but its in that direction05:48
danie1it might be the STRONGEST feature, but the best feature in kde for an end user would be the ui consistency across apps IMO05:48
apokryphosintegration is a huge one, definitely05:48
danie1sounds like dcop adds consistency in the backend05:48
nikkiaapokryphos: as a developer, i like being able to script GUI apps :)05:49
danie1making kde totally awesome ;)05:49
nikkiaas i said, its not quite as powerful as applescript/osascript is tho05:49
apokryphosOf course it's great for things like skaramba. Though skramba evilly lead me to believe that dcop couldn't handle many processes at once without driving up CPU05:49
nikkiaapokryphos: that's just python being bloated :)05:50
apokryphosYeah :P05:50
nikkiai love python, but you only need to use zope to see how bad it is :)05:50
apokryphosNo bad words from me about Python. Only vaguely looked over it, but my brother echoes its praises daily 8)05:50
danie1why does kubuntu come with so many python packages by default?  are they necessary for the apps to run?05:50
nikkiadanie1: because a lot of useful things are written in python05:51
apokryphosdanie1: soemtimes; but Python is integral to Ubuntu itself05:51
nikkiadanie1: from a developer's point of view, python is fast, easy and powerful05:51
apokryphosMark Shut's primary interests were GNOME and Python05:51
nikkiadanie1: all of my image processing utils for work are written in python+PIL05:51
apokryphosExactly. You see its affects much quicker than C++ :P05:51
danie1nikkia: i know, but for those of us who aren't developers, it seems that they aren't necessary05:51
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apokryphosdanie1: for your things to work, you need a lot of that stuff ;-)05:52
danie1and for those who are developers, they're the ones who know how to install packages :)05:52
nikkiadanie1: if you want to use something written by one of those developers that realises how easy it is to do stuff in python, you need it :)05:52
nikkiait IS possible to make standalone binaries from python, but its very inefficient05:52
nikkiayou effectively end up with countless copies of python on your system05:52
apokryphosnikkia: what kind of programming do you do?05:52
danie1yay, i'm learning stuff :)05:53
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nikkiaapokryphos: i program fruit machines05:53
danie1nikkia: fruit?05:53
apokryphosHeh =)05:53
danie1as in apple?05:53
nikkiadanie1: for non-brits, 'i program slot machines'05:53
apokryphosnikkia: tell me the flaws, please! 05:53
nikkiaapokryphos: the major flaw is, they take your money :P05:53
apokryphosSomething I know all too well ;-)05:53
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nikkiaother than when they're sat by my desk on freeplay05:54
danie1how can you program something you don't use?!!05:54
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apokryphosand hasn't played since ;-)05:54
nikkiadanie1: quite easy when massive loss of money is involved :)05:54
nikkiadanie1: it has been known for my company to hand people petty cash to go investigate a competitor's machine05:54
nikkiaand it has been known for petty cash to go down by 2000 in one day on such occasions05:55
apokryphosso which babies are yours? I'll have to keep on the lookout05:55
danie1iirc, that's more than 2000 USD?05:55
McScruffis there any good mp3 to wav software?05:55
apokryphosdanie1: over $3000, yes05:55
nikkiaapokryphos: i work on video stuff, i wrote one that plays 3 reels and goes into blackjack where you can gamble your winnings for more winnings, and this year i've mostly been writing roulette systems05:56
danie1sounds like fun :)05:56
danie1let me guess: you use python and kubuntu?05:57
nikkiadanie1: its a nice job, very different from the 'regular' games industry05:57
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nikkiadanie1: most of it is windows, sadly05:57
nikkiathe blackjack game was an embedded board tho, no OS at all05:57
nikkiaand my current project is in java on a basic debian system05:57
danie1so windows takes your money, too! >:o05:57
nikkia(not my choice)05:57
danie1one more general kde question: what is the "examining file progress" dialog that appears for a split second when i start the kde desktop?06:00
McScruffim looking for an alternative to this http://www.softforall.com/Multimedia/Video/Mobile_AMR_converter07070299.htm06:01
nikkiadanie1: i've seen that dialog, have no idea what it is, but its probably when KDE is scanning the desktop directory06:06
nikkiaor something like that06:06
nikkiaMcScruff: is that an app that converts .amr to .wav and back ?06:06
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McScruffnikkia mp3 to amr06:07
nikkiaMcScruff: i know of a .wav/.amr convertor06:08
danie1ooooo, i've found a way to log in as root in kubuntu :D06:08
nikkiayou'd have to do the .mp3/.wav yourself06:08
apokryphosdanie1: it's possible, but not recommended06:08
nikkiaMcScruff: http://www.aquarionics.com/article/name/How_to_convert_AMR_files_to_MP306:08
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McScruffnikkia , whats it called?06:08
nikkiathat has links to the reference AMR decoder/encoder, which can do it06:08
nikkiait also has some scripts to convert .mp3->.wav->.amr and vice versa06:09
danie1apokryphos: i know :\06:09
apokryphosdanie1: why would you want to? ;-)06:09
nikkiawell, it has a .amr->.wav->.mp3 script, you'd need to work out the other way around yourself, it seems06:09
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McScruffim gonna try and wine the nokia tool06:10
danie1apokryphos: well, for some reason on my first kubuntu installation, i could not run a graphical app from the terminal emulator (either xterm or konsole) -- it told me that it couldn't connect to x server at .0:0 (but my latest install works).  so i discovered that i could: console login -> sudo -s -> startx :)06:11
McScruffalso another Q :) (i know you love em) is there a way to get rss feeds on the desktop?06:11
apokryphosdanie1: you should be able to just kdesu {someapp} or sudo {someapp}06:12
apokryphosMcScruff: there's a few superkaramba for things like that, I believe. I use akregator though.. very good.06:12
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nikkiaapokryphos: you could perhaps even use the 'webdesktop' thing that KDE has for drawing the background, too06:13
apokryphoscontemplating removing it06:13
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apokryphosnikkia: oh? Can't say I knwo anything about it :/06:14
nikkiaapokryphos: under 'Configure Desktop' if you click 'Advanced' it lets you set a program to draw the desktop background, the default is 'kwebdesktop' which uses a supplied URL to draw the background06:15
nikkiausing a RSS->Web aggregator, plus a bit of CSS, you could make a nice RSS background :)06:15
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nikkiaand since it gets run automatically every few minutes (10 by default) it wouldn't use as much CPU as karamba variants06:16
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nikkiaie its a one-shot kind of thing, rather than sitting there consuming CPU cycles all the time06:16
nikkiathe default URL is news.kde.org i think, but you can change it06:17
apokryphosnikkia: do you think skaramba's slowness is down to the fact it's python, though?06:17
nikkiaapokryphos: i think its a mixture of things06:17
nikkiaapokryphos: 1) being written in python, 2) the fact it gets redrawn *very* often06:17
apokryphosPython isn't that weak though, is it?06:17
apokryphosIf you run a few dcop cycles with a theme CPU shoots up. Kinda sucks06:18
nikkiait is when you're trying to do lots of graphics and updating more than 1/sec tho :)06:18
nikkiapython isn't 'weak' its just not really suited to that kind of thing, IMO06:18
nikkiaalso, most skaramba themes go way OTT on the transparencies and layered&scaled images06:19
nikkiai imagine its possible to write a really efficient skaramba theme, but noone seems to :)06:20
apokryphosYeah, since there's limited amount of things on the market, the new thing has to be the same but cooler ;-)06:20
apokryphosOh wait, I just realised that when I was trying things out, and testing dcop's speed I was doing it with python ;-)06:21
apokryphos(where dcop did 25 or so processes a second very easily)06:21
apokryphosbut doing a couple a sec in karamba went to the moon and back06:21
nikkiaapokryphos: zope brought my P4-2.8 to its knees :)06:22
nikkiait lasted about 20 minutes before i tired of 1-2 second lag behind pressing a key and it appearing on the console, and removed zope again :)06:22
apokryphosI'm thinking of saving up for a dual processor AMD 64 for University. Can't wait =)06:22
nikkiaof course, about 5 of those minutes were typing 'dpkg -r zope' :P06:23
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apokryphosmight be nice to investigate with Gentoo if I have super speed06:25
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nikkiayay, 5:30!06:29
danie1nikkia: british time :P06:31
danie1here on the east coast, it's lunch time!06:31
nikkiadanie1: yeah, i know06:32
nikkia(my router crashed, as it does many times a day, luckily i caught it and rebooted it before my sockets timed out :)06:33
danie1you're running a server06:33
nikkiadanie1: yes, but thats not what i mean :)06:33
nikkiamy router, that handles my ethernet connections + wireless -> cable, crashed, it does that many times a day, i know, i need a new one...06:34
nikkiabut since i rebooted it within the 4 minutes it takes for a TCP connection to be marked dead, i didn't get disconnected from irc, just lagged badly :)06:34
danie1i still don't understand the ports/sockets thing :(06:35
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danie1but now it's eating time :)06:37
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supernixI am not sure but I think my connection to the net is faster than when I was using my XP SP2 box06:45
nikkiasupernix: that's because you no longer have 300MB of spyware sat in the background calling home constantly :P06:48
supernixLOL OMG How true06:49
supernixit was a trojan that almost ate my PC that made me start looking at Linux again06:50
apokryphosWhat made me seriously consider Linux was the fact that I got a virus >30 mins after a fresh install of Windows06:53
apokryphos...without having opened IE06:53
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supernixhow long ago has that been apokryphos 06:56
jpatrickWhat made me seriously consider Linux was the fact that Windows took too much RAM06:56
apokryphosaround 10 months ago I think. Perhaps less06:56
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supernixyou sure do know alot about Linux for someone that only done it for 10 months06:56
jpatrickI've done it for just a day06:57
apokryphossupernix: I don't know much.. really. My younger brother admittedly puts me to shame ;-)06:57
supernixyour younger sibling must be a wiz kid06:57
supernixI have found you to be very patient and very helpful during my trips to IRC06:58
apokryphossupernix: I think it's fair to say that. Became a KDE developer a few months after juts learning C++06:58
apokryphosthough he prefers Python, still :P06:59
nikkiajpatrick, its not so much that windows takes too much RAM, its that it has really really ways it uses the ram06:59
nikkiajpatrick: for example, whenever you load an app, its loaded into both real ram and swap file on windows07:00
jpatrickIt was just really slow07:00
jpatrickI know07:00
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stibbyare there any kde utilities that can check SFV hashes?07:00
stibbyor command line utilities07:01
stibby(i'm only interested in stuff gotten through apt)07:01
nikkiastibby, there are a couple of command line ones07:01
nikkiathere's no real point to a KDE interface for something like that07:01
stibbyare any built in?07:01
nikkialook for cfv and cksfv in the package list07:02
nikkiaboth are in universe tho07:02
stibbyI hope you can check more than once07:02
jpatrickmaybe superkaramba...07:02
stibbyat a time07:02
nikkiacfv looks to be about the best, IMO07:02
jpatrickForget I said that if it's wrong07:02
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nikkia(it checks sfv, sfvmd5, csv, csv2, csv4, md5, bsdmd5, crc, par and par207:03
nikkiaoh, and torrent files07:03
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nikkiastibby, it seems to handle multiple sfv files ok07:06
nikkiaby default, you just do 'cfv' and it checks all of the files it recognises that are in the current dir07:07
apokryphosanyone know how to add page numbers in OOo?07:07
nikkiaapokryphos: yes07:10
nikkiaapokryphos: 'insert->fields->document' select 'page' and then select 'Page numbers' in the middle panel and set the format07:11
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nikkiaerm, sorry, 'insert->fields->other'07:11
stibbyis kubuntu in somewhat desperate need for seeders for the .iso.torrent files?07:11
nikkiaits on the document tab that opens :)07:11
apokryphosArr... sneaky little thing that. I have Insert -> fields -> page number which seems to cut it07:12
nikkiano, that inserts the current page number at the cursor position07:13
nikkianot the same thing07:13
apokryphosnikkia: if you make a footer and insert that there then it's fine...07:13
nikkiayeah, that works07:13
apokryphosas in, it does what I want.07:13
nikkiathat's also how we had to do things in the wordperfect 5.1 days, and i personally don't want to move back to the stone age :P07:14
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apokryphosnikkia: do you tend to use oowriter over kword?07:14
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nikkiacos 99% of the .doc files i get from co-workers won't open with kword, so i rarely use it at all07:14
stibbytry out abiword sometime07:15
nikkiaaltho both kspread and OOo Spreadsheet have trouble with .xls files07:15
stibbyyeah :(07:15
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nikkiawhen i was job hunting before i got this job, i ended up having to go to the local library to fill out one form a company emailed me, cos the form was in a protected .xls :/07:18
epAnybody here know why "middle clicking" within a Firefox browser window does not launch the URL in the clipboard buffer. This has always worked for me on other installs.  Its not working now.07:18
nikkiaep, because firefox uses middle-click to mean 'open in new tab'07:18
nikkiaits configurable somewhere, but i couldn't tell you where07:19
nikkiaprobably in about:config somewhere07:19
seth_kthen I think you change middlemouse.contentLoadURL07:19
seth_kas well07:19
nikkiamiddlemouse.openNewWindow:   true/false07:19
nikkiaand middlemouse.contentLoadURL: true/false07:20
epopening in a new tab would be ok too -- mines doing nothing:)07:20
nikkiaswap the settings around, and bingo07:20
nikkiaep, i mean its used for 'open current link in new tab' :)07:22
nikkiaie, you put the cursor over a link, press the middle button, and it opens that link in a new tab, personally, i like it that way, but thats me :)07:22
epthat did the trick -- life is good:)     07:22
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epI paste alot of urls in from the clipboard...  Eraseing the command box first is a BIG pain. If your coming from Windows and you highlight the URL in the command box, you're really screwed.  (I did this)07:25
nikkiaep, i just use ctrl-v07:26
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nikkiathe middle-mouse-to-paste concept has always been fundamentally flawed in X07:27
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nikkia(you cannot use it to 'highlight a section of text and replace it with the pasted text' for example)07:27
epbut I like to "open in a new tab" but I usally right click and select that off a menu :)07:27
epYeah that part is confusing nikkia... But actually once I got used to it...  I realized that it is probably more efficient than Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V07:29
nikkiaep, its not, i often replace whole chunks of code, you cannot do it with the highlight-click method07:30
nikkiamy left hand stays over the keyboard when i'm doing text editing anyway, so ctrl-c/ctrl-v is no less efficient than the finger i have over the mouse, but the fact i can't replace text with the clipboard cripples my development time07:31
epYeah, i've run into that problem too now that i think about it.07:33
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ephow do I get konsole to automatically use color on the ls command?07:56
jjessels --color=auto i think?07:57
jjesseand hten just alias ls to equal ls --color07:57
jjesseif that works google is your firend07:58
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paxalias ls='ls --color=auto'08:00
AncaHello, I installed Java Runtime Environment for Mozilla Firefox and now I have to make a symbolic link to libjavaplugin_oji.so in my Mozilla Plugins directory - how can I do that?08:01
epthat worked pax, thanks08:03
paxnp, you should have that by dedault08:04
paxalias -p should list whatcha got, me thinks08:04
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epyeah i thought it should of been default too.... maybet there was some problems with the way i installed.  I did ubuntu first.   I've had some quirks.  Thinking of redoing everything.08:07
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epI don't need the latest version of everything... I prefer to be use fairly stable packages.  However I would version 2.0 of bzflag (different servers) and there is a debian deb file available.08:09
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epIt says my libcurl is not up todate.  Debian has a newer on listed on thier stable package list.  Can I install this or should I just forget the whole idea?08:10
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epMainly I just want version 2 of bzflag if there is a way i can apt-get from kubutnu  sources that would be cool.08:12
Mezwheres the option to change the 1 click to open thing in konqueror08:14
MezI can enver find it again when i reinstall08:14
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paxep: as long as you dont have backports in sources.list I dont see why not upgrade and stay stable08:16
paxmez isnt it in Web Behavior?08:17
m0ns00nMez: It's in Periperals -> Mouse08:17
m0ns00nChange to double click08:18
epeverything is upgraded, I believe. Version of libcurl3 on system is 7.12.3-2ubuntu3. This bzflag2.deb file requires libcurl3 >= 7.13.01  and its the only means I've discovered to install bzflag2 other than compileing (which  also failed)08:21
supernixAnyone using KPGP or whatever you call it ?08:23
seth_ki am08:23
supernixDoes does it allow for encrypting files and emails like PGP ?08:24
seth_kBy default, anything you drop onto the icon gets encrypted08:24
supernixI was also curious as to what would be a good key to use 08:24
seth_kplus, you have a right-click context menu08:24
seth_k1024 is fine08:24
supernixIt mentioned something about elgamal or something like that never heard that one before 08:25
seth_kthat's one part of your key08:25
supernixI remember hearing about IDEA and Blowfish and gosh many others that I can't recall08:26
seth_kthe ElGamal subkey08:26
jpatrickMy partition on the install partitioned a disc but it was marked unuseable08:27
jpatrickanyone know how I can fix this?08:27
apokryphosKTorrent 1.0 out.. nice08:28
apokryphosseems less buggy so far08:28
jpatrickfixed it :D08:29
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supernixI can't understand why people are using torrent instead of Emule08:34
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supernixIf an applet crashes and you recreate it in the panel will you have two of them in the panel when you reboot ?08:36
seth_kyou shouldn't, no08:38
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supernixI found that if you create a applet then when you open the list again it is greyed out08:38
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apokryphossupernix: because torrents are better :P08:43
apokryphosMy experience with Emule is pretty bad; was only reasonably ok for songs, but that was because it could go through Gnuttella, IIRC08:43
seth_kyeah, I've never had good experiences with a *mule client08:45
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supernixBut emule had a feature to keep bad people from accessing your server08:54
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_pabloi have got a problem with little problem and it would be nice if somebody could help me solving it08:55
jjessewwhats up pablo?08:56
_pablosry i have got a little problem and it would be nice if somebody could help me solving it08:56
_pablomy clock works too fast08:56
jjessetime clock?08:56
jjessedoes it move as fast on your bios?08:56
_pablono in my bios it move right08:57
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supernixpablo do you mean your clock is ahead by X hours compared to your bios ?08:57
_pablowhen in real time 1 hour is left on my pc the clock shows 2 hours08:58
supernixyou just need to adjust your time _pablo 08:58
supernixthe time is just setup for the wrong time zone for your area08:59
supernixthe default is UT time08:59
_pablono i've done this for three times08:59
_pabloit seams that the clock count milliseconds insteat of seconds09:00
seth_kusing a 2.6.12 kernel?09:02
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_pabloyes the latest kubuntu version09:03
_pabloi think this includes kernel 2.6.12 but one second i will look it up09:04
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_pablo2.6.10-5  is the kerne09:06
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_pablothanks for your trys cya09:16
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jeanlucHi  guys09:26
jeanlucI just got a new mouse!! logitech mx 510 :) I love it its really good09:27
chris12349ive got the 518, great mouse09:27
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chris12349did you get you system all reinstalled?09:28
jeanlucI reinstalled it for a third time09:28
chris12349nuclear option huh09:28
jeanlucso right now im updating the source.list thing09:28
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jeanlucisn't there a way to update it with out editiing the file in kate?09:31
chris12349I think there is a way in synamptic09:31
jeanlucno in the consle there was a cmd to just save one from some website09:31
chris12349hmm im not sure09:32
kalenedraelcommand-line is easier09:32
kalenedrael(i think)09:32
kalenedraelsudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade09:32
chris12349yup i agree09:32
jeanlucbut I need to09:32
chris12349I think he is trying to add to sources.list09:32
jeanlucupdate the sources.list file09:32
chris12349without using vi or pico 09:32
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apokryphosjeanluc: I think it's better for you to learn what you're doing this time09:37
jeanlucya im reading that tutorial09:37
jeanlucI think I edited the file right09:37
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jeanlucisn't there a file on the internet that was already edited?09:40
chris12349jeanluc: have you looked over this? http://ubuntuguide.org09:40
ubotuubuntuguide is, like, a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.09:40
apokryphosjeanluc: there is, but you should learn what you're doing this time09:41
chris12349sorry jeanluc after reading the wiki using the above said guide would be a bad idea for a new user09:42
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pvThe problem with the wiki is that it is incomplete and not very organized.09:44
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jeanlucwhy don't they just update the version avalible for dload so you don't have to do this09:44
chris12349oh I was just refering to the guidelines, I didn't realize there was such a thing09:45
apokryphospv: true, but it's far more comprehensive in the areas it does cover. Still, it's always improving.09:45
apokryphoschris12349: I gave him my sources.list before, he's just referring to that...09:45
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jeanluc?? ubuntu09:45
kinfoNo match for "ubuntu"09:45
jeanluc?? sources09:45
kinfoNo match for "sources"09:45
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jeanluc?? why am I dumb09:46
kinfoNo match for "why"09:46
apokryphoswhy are you flooding the channel, is a better question09:46
apokryphosIf you're "dumb" it's because you're wilfully so09:46
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apokryphosas in, you don't wish to put in any effort to figure anything out. You won't survive long in Linux09:46
jeanluc<- linux noob so used to windows and not having to do anything :(09:46
apokryphoswouldn't you like to rectify that situation?09:47
apokryphosMindlessly doing the process again clearly isn't going to help in any sort of long-term09:47
jeanlucI have an amd09:47
jeanlucbut its not 64 bit09:47
jeanlucits i386?09:48
apokryphoswell, you can use the 386 stuff09:48
jeanlucso I un-# those lines09:48
jeanlucand I save the file in my home folder?09:48
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jeanluc# For i386 Only09:49
jeanluc# [CHANGE_ME]  : For an i386 machine, uncomment the line below.09:49
jeanlucdeb ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/gift-fasttrack unstable main09:49
jeanlucis this the correct way  09:49
jeanlucok 09:49
jeanlucI set the mirrors to the closest ones09:50
jeanlucnow where do I put the file?09:50
jeanlucshit this is where I get confused09:51
apokryphosjeanluc: it gives you exact instructions09:51
jeanlucya you overwrite it by saving in  kate09:52
apokryphosif you have downloaded, saved, and altered the file to your computer's needs, then proceed to step 309:52
jeanlucjeanluc@ubuntu:~$ sudo mv /ect/apt/sources.list09:53
jeanlucmv: missing file argument09:53
jeanlucTry `mv --help' for more information.09:53
jeanlucis what I get when I type09:54
jeanluc~$ sudo mv /ect/apt/sources.list in consle09:54
apokryphosDo you know what mv does? 09:54
apokryphosYou can view the manual pages of a command by typing, in konsole, man {somecommand}09:54
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apokryphosThere it will tell you its usage, possible options, and what it does09:54
apokryphosi.e. for more information on man, type man man09:55
apokryphosYou can quit from man pages by typing q09:56
jeanlucok what is my working directory?09:56
jeanluc*home/jeanluc ?09:56
jeanlucor /ect/apt09:57
apokryphosYour working directory is a directory which you would work in. That is, a directory in which you would have permissions.09:57
apokryphosTo view which directory you are in you can type "pwd"09:57
jeanlucso /home/jeanluc09:57
apokryphospwd -- print working directory09:57
jeanlucso if mv moves things09:58
apokryphosfrom viewing the manual page of mv, did you notice the syntax of it?09:58
jeanlucI need to type sudo mv /home/jeanluc/sources.list /ect/apt/sources.list?09:58
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apokryphosNote that in UNIX systems you can either use absolute filenames (i.e. mv /home/username/file /some/other/file) or relative ones... so if you're in /home/username, typing mv file /some/other/file will do just the same as the first one09:59
apokryphosAbsolute path, rather, I should say.10:00
apokryphosalso, in Linux the tilde (~) can be used to represent /home/youruser 10:00
jeanlucok this is what im getting10:00
jeanlucjeanluc@ubuntu:~$ sudo mv /home/jeanluc/sources.list /ect/apt/10:00
jeanlucmv: cannot move `/home/jeanluc/sources.list' to `/ect/apt/sources.list': No such file or directory10:00
jeanlucjeanluc@ubuntu:~$ sudo mv /home/jeanluc/sources.list /ect/apt/10:01
jeanlucmv: cannot move `/home/jeanluc/sources.list' to `/ect/apt/sources.list': No such file or directory10:01
apokryphosIt's good practice to backup files like that first before you're overwriting them10:01
kalenedraelspell it correctly10:01
kalenedraelit's /etc/apt/sources.list10:01
apokryphosthat's what this is for: sudo  mv  /etc/apt/sources.list  /etc/apt/sources.list.`date +%y%m%d-%H%M`10:01
chris12349I would suggest making a backup of sources.list (sources_old.list) or something10:01
jeanlucI have10:02
apokryphos(note also in Linux that there is no "rename" command... you can use mv to rename files)10:02
_nikkiaapokryphos: man rename10:02
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chris12349apokryphos: will that add the current date to the filename?10:02
Poromiesjeanluc: yea be careful with typo's when using commandline :)10:02
apokryphosnikkia: ssh!10:02
nikkiaapokryphos: i find 'rename' to be a very useful linux command10:02
nikkiaapokryphos: yeah, thats another useful command, good choice :P10:03
apokryphosFunny, I always just used mv. 10:03
apokryphoschris12349: correct10:03
apokryphosnikkia: ever used krename? That's really great, too.10:03
chris12349that will be incredibly helpful to me...thanks!10:03
nikkiaapokryphos: once, i think10:03
nikkiaapokryphos: at least, i remember using *a* GUI renamer, i assume it was krename10:03
apokryphosnikkia: I was going to package it but apparently it's in some Debian repo, so hey :P10:04
apokryphosanyhow, jeanluc: now you just want to put your new sources.list in the appropriate place10:04
jeanlucok I did10:05
jeanlucbut now10:05
jeanlucwhen I open kynaptic10:05
jeanlucType 'US' is not known on line 42 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list10:05
jeanlucwhy do we have 10:06
jeanlucwhy do I have to do this 10:06
Mezjeanluc - use http://www.pastebin.com and paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list10:06
apokryphosIt says they're something wrong with your file there, on guess which line :P10:06
chris12349;) easy fix jeanluc  this stuff will become second nature very soon10:07
Mezapokryphos, somehow I don't think jeanluc is an idiot :D10:07
apokryphosjeanluc: apt sources are the places that Ubuntu would look for repositories. More sources, more repositories10:07
apokryphosMez: hence the smilie ;-)10:07
Mezapokryphos, yeah, but - text that seems insulting comes across as insulting whether it's got a smile on the end or not10:08
apokryphosMez: I disagree. If you think a smilie has no affect over the bearing of the interpretation of a post then I can't really agree at all -- it's plainly not the case.10:08
jeanlucwell I do code php so im not a complete ass to debugging shit10:08
apokryphosCool, good start. You should find many things slightly easier then10:08
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Mezapokryphos, when it's not noticable it des10:09
Mezand please, jeanluc, mind your language10:09
jeanlucwhy do I have to update this file10:09
jeanlucshouldn't it already be updated by kubuntu?10:09
apokryphosMez: the smilie was not noticeable? I'm sorry you missed it; quite clear to me.10:09
apokryphosjeanluc: not really, because some of the repositories you may be adding includes non-free stuff and other things not supported officially by Ubuntu10:10
jpatrickHow do I change myself to root on a folder? - I'm trying to edit sources.list10:10
Mezapokryphos, actually the smilie came across as making the sentence more patronising to me apokryphos and does so moer now I re-read10:10
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nikkiaits hard to miss them when they're a nice round yellow face stuck on the end of the line...10:11
apokryphosMez: You are of course perfectly entitled to your interpretation. I may come off pedantic, but it's plainly not my intention. This is the third time today the guy comes in asking for precisely the exact same thing10:11
jeanlucthis is gay10:11
apokryphosMez: the whole reasoning behind it is that the user learns something rather than blindly following commands10:11
Mezjpatrcik - right click the file, click on actions, and then click edit as root10:11
Mezapokryphos, but to me you seem to be being unhelpful10:11
jpatrickokay thanks10:11
apokryphosjeanluc: I don't think Linux systems are gay or not gay ;-)10:11
kalenedraelok, jeanluc, you modify the file so kubuntu knows where to update its package lists from10:11
Mezand jeanluc, please mind your conduct10:12
jeanlucwhy don't you give me the commands please and then tell me what they mean10:12
apokryphosMez: telling him the exact command I told him the first two times would evidently be more unhelpful10:12
kalenedraelwow jeanluc, you can't open up a file in a text editor?10:12
apokryphosjeanluc: we can work out the problem with your sources.list... you didn't follow the instructions exactly, else you wouldn't be getting the error. Why not pastebin them, as was suggested?10:13
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paxanyone knows how to set aliases permanently?10:13
jeanlucIDK wtf paste bin is10:13
kalenedraelpax, in your .bash_profile10:13
kalenedraelor .bashrc10:13
apokryphosjeanluc: www.pastebin.com -> go there, enter in the sources.list, and then once you've posted it, provide the link in this channel10:13
kalenedraelthey both have more or less the same function... but i forget what the difference is, specifically10:13
apokryphoscommon practice in IRC, on many occassions.10:13
paxkalenedrael: no easy way to save them by command?10:14
kalenedraelwell, open up the files and edit them10:14
nikkiakalenedrael: one is sourced only at login, the other each time a shell is spawned10:14
paxalright :)10:14
jeanlucits on pastebin10:14
Mezlink ?10:14
nikkiakalenedrael: iirc, _profile is the one done once at login10:14
nikkiaand also, iirc, .bash_login works too10:14
nikkiaand it probably reads in .profile too, just to be compatible :)10:15
Mezjeanluc - what's the link on pastebin for it?10:15
apokryphosjeanluc: check line 42 and what do you think might be going wrong with it10:15
Mezpax, I've always used ~/.bashrc10:15
apokryphosjeanluc: apt tries to read any line that isn't commented out10:15
nikkiaah, by default, bash only reads .bashrc when it is a non-interface shell10:16
paxMez: that's where I found the default ones like ls -al and ls -l ..etc10:16
Mezbut you can also edit /etc/bash.bashrc10:16
nikkiainterface? i meant interactive10:16
jeanlucit said10:16
Mezpax, then you add your own10:16
jeanlucun comment the server closet to youi10:16
jeanlucso I did10:16
nikkiamez, according to the manual, that's a bad idea...10:16
jeanlucso wtf does it want?10:16
paxMez: nah  I just want to save them for me as single user so .bashrc looks like the right place, thx :)10:16
paxor am I understanding this wrong?10:17
nikkiathe *rc files only get read by non-interactive shells by default, so you want aliases in .bash_profile, unless your .bash_profile source's .bashrc, but that would kind of defeat the purpose of having two seperate configuration files that get executed in different circumstances10:17
apokryphosjeanluc: something is wrong with that very line 42... it's not a link to a repository, so why isn't it commented out?10:17
nikkiaaltho, i must admit, *most* console windows don't create shells with login prefs10:17
apokryphosjeanluc: as I said, apt tries to read everything that isn't commented out. That's not a repository, so apt doesn't want it.10:18
jeanlucYes I know I fixed it10:18
nikkiaoh, wait, that business about ignoring them by default only applies in sh-compatibility10:18
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Mezjeanluc -where did you get that sources.list from?10:19
ubotukudos is probably at http://kudos.berlios.de10:19
jeanlucthat site w/ tutorial10:19
apokryphosMez: there10:19
apokryphosnikkia: do you ever use prelink?10:19
Mezah, kk10:20
nikkiaapokryphos: believe it or not, i have no idea what that term is referring to, i *might* i dunno10:20
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nikkiaapokryphos: to me, pre-link is an ancient dinosaur of a technique from early linux/unix days that noone uses anymore, for distributing software10:20
apokryphosnikkia: no-one at all? :P10:21
nikkiaapokryphos: and i very much doubt you mean THAT kind of pre-linking10:21
supernixjust curious does anyone know of a program that will allow you to keep multiple notes in the same program ?10:21
nikkiaapokryphos: pretty sure, haven't seen it used since about 199510:21
apokryphosI remember using it once before and being mildly happy with it10:21
apokryphosgood description: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/prelink-howto.xml10:21
nikkiaapokryphos: i really think we're talking about two different 'pre-link' concepts10:21
nikkiaapokryphos: no, that's different10:22
apokryphossupernix: what type of notes?10:22
apokryphosnikkia: ok10:22
supernixUm hmm they would be equal to rtf format not sure what they use in Linux10:22
nikkiaapokryphos: the pre-link i remember was where you roll all of your .o files, stripped of symbols, into a .a file, then ship it with a tiny shell script tagged on that does the final link, it was used to ship binary executables in the days when libc wasn't stable10:22
jeanlucsudo apt-get upgrade10:22
apokryphosYeah, that's not it.10:23
apokryphosThis works with shared libraries; kind of preloading, I guess10:23
nikkiayeah, i see that10:23
apokryphossupernix: not sure at all quite, but if you just mean ordinary notes.. KNotes is good10:23
supernixI guess the notes might be or could be html formatted10:23
apokryphosjeanluc: sudo apt-get update    --- that will refresh your sources for apt to use10:24
apokryphosjeanluc: apt-get upgrade would try to upgrade all packages installed10:24
nikkiasupernix: you could always use emacs and one of its many notes-systems :)10:24
apokryphosnikkia: trying to remember if it actually sped up my system when I used it ;-)10:25
nikkiaapokryphos: i doubt it10:25
nikkiaapokryphos: it might on occasionally used binaries where the libraries it uses aren't used elsewhere10:25
apokryphosHm, ok. I may try it out; takes ages to set up however.10:25
nikkiaapokryphos: for the majority of libs, they're going to be in memory ready for ld.so anyway10:26
nikkiaapokryphos: it sounds like more gentoo voodoo to me10:26
apokryphosnikkia: saw it recommended (kind of) on kudos10:26
nikkia'look!! look!!! it loaded 0.0001uS faster the second time around!!'10:26
apokryphosGentoo black magic, dundundun10:26
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nikkiaapokryphos: my reasoning is...10:27
nikkiaany lib that is pre-linked in, and is commonly used, is just padding the size of the executable, which will more negatively affect the load/start time than any perceived benefit in side-stepping ld.so's caching algorithms10:28
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nikkiaanything you don't use often enough to justify that, you're probably not using enough to care about a slight increase in load time, anyway10:28
nikkiaie, you might shave 10mS loading time off an app you use once every 3 weeks, IMO utterly pointless10:29
supernixWhat is emacs ?10:29
pvum, was prelinking not about resolving symbols?10:29
apokryphosnikkia: I see what you mean10:29
nikkiasupernix: an editor/programming environment/operating systems10:29
supernixoic ty nikkia 10:29
apokryphossupernix: *cough* for old fogies *cough* 8)10:30
nikkiasupernix: its a highly configurable and extendable editor written entirely in lisp10:30
supernixI was using a program called Essential PIM in XP and it was a nice PIM with multi note feature10:30
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nikkiai just use knotes and/or text files that i put in ~/ipod_notes that get synced to my ipod :)10:31
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apokryphosKNotes is good, you should try it. Integrates with other KDE PIM stuff too (so goes into Kontact)10:31
nikkiaapokryphos: oh for a kpod :/10:31
supernixI just realized what your talking about yeah I have used it several times10:32
apokryphosnikkia: whatwhat?10:32
nikkiaapokryphos: a kde version of gtkpod, that could interact with kontact, knotes, etc10:32
nikkiai know gtkpod can sync kontact addressbooks, but still, something native to kde would be soooo nice10:32
supernixIt is nice but you have not way of formatting text10:33
apokryphosnikkia: cool10:33
nikkiasupernix: the functionality is almost certainly there10:33
nikkiasupernix: its just not exposed10:33
apokryphosnikkia: haven't tried, but amaroK is meant to be decent for iPod crimes10:33
nikkiaapokryphos: repeat after me... NO...AAC...SUPPORT :P10:34
apokryphoshehe =)10:34
apokryphosAnyone here tried an iRiver? Looking over iRiver PMP-100 (I believe it was). Looks quite good10:34
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supernixLOL you got me nikkia it is there you just have to enable richtext 10:34
apokryphosare iRivers justly neglected that much?10:35
supernixfunny I thought richtext was a M$ thing10:35
nikkiasupernix: i *knew* knotes uses a rich text control, because it allows each note to use different colours10:35
nikkiasupernix: no, rich text is a generic term for a text view that can have formatting applied to it10:35
apokryphosMicrosoft {someoldversion} used .rtf though, didn't it?10:36
nikkiaapokryphos: MS still use rtf10:36
apokryphosas default, I mean10:36
supernixkewl I didn't know that 10:36
nikkiaapokryphos: and RTF is actually very little more than a 'embrace and extend' of TeX :)10:36
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supernixJust please don't add that M10:37
apokryphosjeanluc: how's it going?10:37
jeanlucjust installed firefox10:37
nikkiasupernix: how about a D ?10:37
jeanlucthanks for making me do it10:37
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jeanluccuz now I know10:37
nikkiasupernix: RTFD is pretty good10:37
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supernixWhat does it mean by accept incomming notes though ?10:38
apokryphosanother good guide, jeanluc10:38
ubotumethinks rute is a great guide for learning about Linux and is available at http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/10:38
nikkiasupernix: knotes can be used for collaboration10:38
apokryphosIt'll probably suck, for most people, looking through these, but they can be really helpful in the future10:38
jeanluchow come they don't allow mp3 in kubuntu10:38
nikkiasupernix: ie, you can push notes to someone else's knotes setup10:39
supernixwow that is kewl10:39
apokryphosjeanluc: it is allowed if you get the appropriate packages, but for some reason it's apparently not working for you10:39
=== jeanluc wants to know how come I can't play mp3's in linux
nikkiasupernix: never tried it, so i have no idea if it works (properly) or not10:39
jeanlucnow porky10:39
supernixI guess it is hard to compete with POP3 10:39
jeanluccan you help me with mp3's?10:39
nikkiasupernix: urgh, pop3??! people still use that?10:40
apokryphosif amarok is installed and amarok-engines is, then as far as I know MP3s should work perfectly10:40
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apokryphosnikkia: yes :P10:40
nikkiaapokryphos: poor deluded souls10:40
apokryphosnikkia: what are the demigods of this day using?10:40
nikkiaapokryphos: imap, of course10:41
nikkiaapokryphos: same as they've been using since 1996 when it surpassed pop3 in features and usability :)10:41
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jeanlucmp3 doesn't work10:42
apokryphosnikkia: any real [attempted]  justified reason for still using pop?10:42
jeanlucin amorak10:42
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uniqimap with serverside spam/virus/rules filtering. :)10:42
nikkiasome of us are even looking forward to the push-mail technologies and forward-without-upload stuff in the next version of imap10:42
nikkiaapokryphos: pop3 uses slightly less network bandwidth10:42
nikkiaapokryphos: some would argue that pop3 is better for offline use, but i would argue thats down to how you configure your mail client, every client i've used has had a 'pull from imap to local folders for offline reading' option anyway10:43
nikkiauniq, imap is even better for client-side spam filtering than pop310:43
jeanlucWTF mp3's won't play they do but no audio10:43
nikkiaas you can just receive headers, apply blacklists to them, without downloading the rest10:44
nikkiaand the equivalent pop3 mechanism isn't standard and only works on a few pop3 servers10:44
jeanlucyes its handy now help me with mp3's please10:44
tommymybe is sound card10:44
apokryphosjeanluc: so they do play...10:44
jeanlucits not10:44
jeanlucyes but I hear nothing10:44
jeanlucand my sound card work in winblows10:44
nikkiajeanluc: don't be so needy10:44
uniqnikkia: i don't like clientside things. serverside owns :) my ibook is overloaded enought as it is OK to have the thousands of mails on a server far far away :)10:44
apokryphosjeanluc: you get sound from other audio types?10:44
jeanlucyes .wav10:45
nikkiauniq, *nod*10:45
jeanlucbut most of my collection is on mp310:45
nikkiauniq, i recently turned on boxtrapper on my mail server :/10:45
nikkiauniq, even with spamassassin i was getting far too much10:45
apokryphosI used spamassassin for a friend of mine's email and it's worked well so far10:45
apokryphosno real complaints. GMail is still the best spam filter :P10:46
jeanlucI agree10:46
jeanlucI love gmail10:46
apokryphosI think I've had two spam emails since I signed up10:46
nikkiaapokryphos: if i turn off every one of my anti-spam protections, i receive upwards of 500-1000 spams a day10:46
jeanlucall mine went in spam10:46
apokryphosnikkia: yeouch10:46
nikkiaapokryphos: its the price of a 10 year old domain name10:46
apokryphosmoths to the flame10:46
jeanlucbut only problem some stuff that is not spam gets placed in spam folder10:46
apokryphosnikkia: good to know that they're always there for some light reading10:47
uniqnikkia: i use rblsmtpd, spamassassin and procmail to filter things..  and clamav + f-prot virus for scanning. still i get some spam.10:47
nikkiaapokryphos: the really weird thing is...10:47
nikkiaapokryphos: my mailboxes receive spam addressed to a demon address i used in 199410:47
apokryphosnikkia: some determined spammers ;-)10:47
jeanlucwhats a demon adress?10:47
nikkiaapokryphos: and i have no idea how the two got linked, because i left demon in jan 1995 and the domain name was setup when i moved to california10:48
nikkiajeanluc: demon is a british ISP10:48
nikkiajeanluc: in the early days of the internet it was the only affordable choice for internet access in the UK10:48
nikkia(10/mo prepaid a year in advance)10:49
supernixwhat do you use to play midi files with ?10:49
jeanlucin 1995 I was 210:49
jeanlucand just learning how to use win 95 :P10:49
apokryphostell me you're lying ;-)10:49
jeanlucI  havve pics to prove10:49
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jeanlucbrb I will go scan them10:50
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supernixMy first PC was a Macintosh Performa 4150 as I recall10:50
supernixthat was back in 9410:50
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nikkiasupernix: my first was a 286-12 w/1MB of ram and a paradise 512k card in 1989 :)10:50
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nikkiaapokryphos: do you carry them around for easy-scanning action ?10:51
nikkiaapokryphos: i suspect not, ergo i do not worry so much about your sanity :)10:51
apokryphosnikkia: nope, on my site for easy-downloading action10:51
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apokryphos(actually, I generally keep it on the hard-drive)10:51
danie1kubuntu rocks :)10:51
apokryphosMy dad scanned around 200 old photos not too long ago. Great classics.10:52
apokryphosrocks my socks10:52
danie1um, what?10:52
apokryphosunrivalled rhyme10:53
danie1rocks with the fox, for sure10:53
jeanlucok here is me in 1995 10:54
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danie1explain to me why the british localization of firefox is installed with kubuntu, yet firefox itself isn't10:54
apokryphosjeanluc: what are you doing, you should be in bed!10:54
nikkiaapokryphos: someone has to, now they're not allowed to hunt them anymore10:54
jeanlucI  should be in bed?10:54
apokryphosjeanluc: you evidently escaped from bed (pyjamas are a key indication) to do some evil deeds on the computer10:55
nikkiaapokryphos: otherwise, before you know it, we'll be building pyramids and other assorted monuments for them10:55
jeanlucI stole money10:55
jeanlucwhen I was 210:55
apokryphosnikkia: I kind of imagine Konqueror as an impersonal machine chasing down the foxes10:55
jeanlucwhen my parents were asleep10:55
nikkiaapokryphos: i reckon he was downloading kiddy porn :)10:56
apokryphos...so it gets worse.10:56
apokryphosQuite the trouble-child10:56
apokryphosnikkia: what, his classmates? =)10:56
nikkiaapokryphos: classmates? age 2 ??? you lived in a harsh school area!10:56
danie1jeanluc: um, how old are you?10:57
nikkiadanie1: logically, 1210:57
apokryphosat two you're old enough to learn plenty. Doing anything else is wasted time10:57
apokryphosplaying? Bah!10:57
apokryphosnikkia: I don't believe him ;-)10:57
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danie1i thought i was young at 1410:58
nikkiaapokryphos: me neither, tbh10:58
danie1computer geeks are getting younger ;)10:58
apokryphosLinux gurus are getting older10:58
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jeanluclucy "I'm home"10:58
nikkiaoh well, beastbenders time10:58
supernixman it sucks everytime I tell kaffiene to take a snapshot of a mpg video it crashes10:59
apokryphosnikkia: you mean BigBrother time ;-)10:59
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jeanluchow old is everyone here?10:59
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danie1you win10:59
danie1when are you going to be 14?11:00
jeanlucWho loves Microsoft Windows XP?11:00
danie1i do! i do!11:00
jeanlucinl ike 7 months11:00
jeanlucin like*11:00
danie115 in 2 weeks :D11:00
danie1what country?11:01
danie1but now?11:01
jeanlucdon't speak french though11:01
jeanlucI live in texas11:01
danie1so why should you be in bed?11:02
shogofrench here \o_11:02
jeanlucof that pic11:02
jeanlucI was in pjs11:02
danie1ugh, all i could do on a computer when i was 5 was use ms paint :P11:03
jeanlucI was 211:03
jeanlucand  programing C++11:03
danie1in that picture?!!11:03
jeanlucand using unix11:03
jeanlucI could use it11:03
jeanlucand under stand what I was doing at 211:03
jeanlucand that pic was me at 2 or 311:03
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danie1you're kidding!11:04
danie1i don't remember being 2 :)11:04
jeanlucme either11:04
danie1yet you knew c++?11:04
jeanlucno I was kidding11:05
danie1what were you doing in the pic?11:05
danie1i see an image on the screen11:05
jeanluc"ruff's bone"11:05
danie1you weren't using kubuntu, that's for sure ;)11:05
jeanlucyou though a bone at a dog11:05
jeanlucand he ran and got it11:06
jeanlucI still have the cd11:06
danie1how do you win?11:06
jeanlucI forgot11:06
danie1my favorite game from the early 90s was lode runner11:07
jeanlucthey still sell it11:07
jeanluchttp://software.discoveryvip.com/Product/KIDS/KIDS INTERACTIVE STORYBOOKS/RUFFS BONE LIVING BOOKS.phphttp://software.discoveryvip.com/Product/KIDS/KIDS INTERACTIVE STORYBOOKS/RUFFS BONE LIVING BOOKS.php11:07
danie1you can still get lode runner, too -- a free download ("abandonware")11:08
danie1hey!  stop hacking me!11:09
shogostop flooding too11:09
danie1wait, that's not my ip :)11:09
danie1you certainly act like you could hack at 2 :P11:09
jeanlucthat would be great11:10
jeanlucyour ip is
jeanlucand your  isp11:11
jeanlucis comcast11:11
jeanlucdo you live near boston?11:11
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jeanlucsorry mez11:13
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Mezdanie1, there wont be a fight11:13
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Mezjeanluc, don't start one11:13
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danie1how many kubuntu users are there in texas, jeanluc?11:14
jeanlucteh guy across the street11:15
jeanlucgot me into linux11:15
jeanluche has  rhce11:15
jeanlucredhat certified engineer11:15
supernixCould someone tell me what you can use to play midi files ?11:15
jeanlucquick time11:15
danie1rosegarden :)11:16
danie1you can sequence and transpose them, too11:16
danie1receive input from digital pianos and guitars, too11:16
danie1but i think that's a little extreme11:16
jeanlucbut sound card11:17
jeanluchas to have midi11:17
supernixwhat is sequense ?11:17
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supernixI have a bunch of midi files I was wanting to listen to11:17
danie1composition -- overlap tracks, like parts of a orchestra11:18
danie1if you just want to listen, i wouldn't recommend rosegarden :)11:18
supernixI have tried kaffiene and Juk and amorak or whatever that was still no luck11:19
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danie1is there a special codec?11:20
jeanlucfor midi11:21
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danie1jeanluc: why is that laughable?11:22
supernixevery time I try to open kmidi it says there is something wrong with /dev/sequencer11:22
danie1do you have a sequencer device? :D11:23
supernixI guess not I don't know what that is 11:23
supernixis that hardware or software ?11:23
danie1it could be either11:24
supernixI looked in /dev/ and did not find anything that said sequencer11:24
danie1but i would guess that kmidi would try to create a "virtual" sequencer device11:24
danie1where did you get kmidi11:25
danie1oh, it's kmid11:29
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jeanluc_v_2whats up11:35
jeanlucnot much11:35
jeanluc_v_2how come you have my name?11:35
jeanlucyou stole it from me11:36
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jeanluc_v_2no, i'm jean luc like in star trek11:36
danie1stop talking to yourself11:36
jeanlucwell screw startrek11:36
jeanluc_v_2no its cool11:36
danie1meesa want to kill you11:36
danie1wait, wrong star *11:37
danie1that's better11:38
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jeanlucits seth11:39
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danie1jeanluc: i'd say you act like an adolescent, but then i would be insulting myself ;)11:41
jeanlucthen we can be together11:41
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jeanlucdamn it11:42
jeanlucstill no11:42
supernixdang I just can't win11:42
supernixI can't get those darn midi files to play at all11:42
jeanlucis obviously bad for music11:43
chris12349actually its pretty easy11:43
jeanluchow do I get mp3 to work?11:43
chris12349did you install the decoders?11:44
supernixI forgot what I used I think it was Amorak or something like that to play some MP3 files11:44
chris12349you need to install those11:44
jeanlucwhere are the decoders11:44
jeanlucwell which ones?11:44
nikkiachris, you're wasting your time, people have been pointing him in the right direction all day11:44
chris12349you need to learn how to search on google ;)11:44
jeanlucfor mp3's11:45
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jeanlucare they in kynaptic?11:45
chris12349it depends on what apt sources you have 11:45
jeanlucis it the gst ream thing?11:46
chris12349theres about a million forums / pages describing the process I think it would be best for you to go search those out.  With this OS you really need to understand what you are doing when you make changes11:47
chris12349plus you will find a lot of other good information on the way11:47
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jeanlucIneed music11:49
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jeanluccan some one please help11:53
jeanlucI googled and found nothing11:54
jeanlucI'm done with linux if it can't play mp3s11:55
gdhjeanluc: sudo apt-get install beep-media-player11:57
gdhand now, to bed. nna11:58
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fabiettohow are you12:00
chris12349good and you?12:00
fabiettofine tanks..12:00
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jeanlucdid you have to install stuff to get mp3 to work?12:02
chris12349yes it doesn't work out of the box12:02
jeanluccan you help me please12:02
chris12349where are you stuck?12:02
jeanlucidk where to start12:03
jeanlucI tried12:03
jeanlucgst reamer mad12:03

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