[12:02] <seth_k> it will be called just mozilla-firefox
[12:02] <spermie_411> beat to the sound of my drum and ill cumm
[12:02] <SudoPus> seth_k: What is the deal with "held packages"?
[12:02] <seth_k> spermie_411: stay on topic
[12:03] <spermie_411> i didnt get my question answered
[12:03] <seth_k> Google is your friend
[12:03] <seth_k> http://enemy-territory.4players.de:1041/modules.php?name=files
[12:04] <SudoPus> seth_k: It is telling me some of the packages could not be downloaded? Do I want to continue ignnoring these packages...hmmm..tell it no of course?
[12:04] <seth_k> SudoPus: do you use the US archives?
[12:04] <jeanluc> seth k
[12:04] <SudoPus> seth_k: Sorry yes I believe so
[12:04] <spermie_411> me and google are gonna make some babies now =))) thank ya
[12:04] <jeanluc> can you pm me?
[12:04] <seth_k> (held packages have conflicts or cannot be installed)
[12:04] <seth_k> SudoPus: edit your sources.list and take out all us.
[12:04] <seth_k> so you just have http://archive.ubuntu.com
[12:04] <seth_k> jeanluc: just talk here, it's okay
[12:05] <jeanluc> ok
[12:05] <jeanluc> well
[12:05] <seth_k> SudoPus: us archive has issues right now
[12:05] <jeanluc> I wen into kynaptic
[12:05] <SudoPus> Ok will do seth_k  ;-P
[12:05] <jeanluc> then I scrolled down to world wide web
[12:05] <seth_k> yep
[12:05] <jeanluc> and I found
[12:05] <jeanluc> mozilla-firefox
[12:05] <jeanluc> right clicked and hit install
[12:05] <jeanluc> but I don't see it anywhere
[12:05] <spermie_411> which is better knaptic or synaptic?
[12:06] <seth_k> jeanluc: you must now hit "Commit"
[12:06] <jeanluc> I see no commit button
[12:06] <jeanluc> nvm
[12:06] <seth_k> it's the one that looks like a monitor with a green down arrow
[12:06] <jeanluc> found it
[12:06] <seth_k> :)
[12:06] <jeanluc> sorry
[12:06] <jeanluc> kinda stupid
[12:06] <seth_k> no problem at all
[12:06] <jeanluc> :p
[12:06] <seth_k> we were all new once
[12:06] <seth_k> see, that way you can pick lots of packages to install
[12:06] <seth_k> and then do one Committ
[12:06] <seth_k> -t
[12:07] <jeanluc> ok
[12:07] <seth_k> and it will do them all at once
[12:07] <jeanluc> I also
[12:07] <jeanluc> I think I hit the update thing to
[12:07] <jeanluc> the middle button
[12:07] <spermie_411> do i need et-linux-2.56-2.x86.run this one to run on kubuntu?
[12:07] <SudoPus> seth_k: Ok to leave security main/src, etc? Not US
[12:07] <seth_k> SudoPus: yep
[12:07] <SudoPus> K
[12:07] <seth_k> spermie_411: get 2.60, is newer
[12:07] <jeanluc> seth
[12:07] <seth_k> jeanluc: the Update button will update the list of packages that is available
[12:08] <jeanluc> ok
[12:08] <jeanluc> now
[12:08] <jeanluc> Do I need to install
[12:08] <jeanluc> sound drivers?
[12:08] <spermie_411> seth_k do you play it?
[12:08] <seth_k> no
[12:08] <seth_k> I play AA
[12:08] <jeanluc> then how come I here no sound
[12:08] <seth_k> jeanluc: they should already be there, what card do you have?
[12:08] <spermie_411> AA?
[12:08] <jeanluc> when I play an mp3
[12:08] <seth_k> America's Army
[12:08] <jeanluc> its onboard
[12:09] <jeanluc> but my mobo is a soyo kt-sy-600 v 2.0
[12:09] <spermie_411> seth_k video wont support it =*(
[12:09] <seth_k> jeanluc: I'd ask in #ubuntu for that, then.
[12:09] <SudoPus> seth_k: That is not a valid source you gave me?
[12:09] <jeanluc> ok
[12:10] <seth_k> SudoPus: did you hit reload?
[12:10] <SudoPus> Oh...crap I forgot to prefix it like the others...it is .com though?
[12:10] <seth_k> just remove the us.
[12:10] <seth_k> everything else stays the same
[12:10] <SudoPus> seth_k: It is now crashing kynaptic using http://archive.ubuntu.com
[12:10] <SudoPus> or .org
[12:11] <seth_k> ?? sources.list
[12:11] <kinfo> [sources.list]  example /etc/apt/sources.list with all official repositories plus KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4 from kubuntu.org can be found at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/303802
[12:12] <SudoPus> Now I get a malformed line 20 error when I added the deb in front of http://archive.ubuntu.com
[12:12] <SudoPus> In sources list
[12:12] <seth_k> SudoPus: check kinfo's link
[12:12] <SudoPus> Ok
[12:12] <seth_k> sorry this is becoming such a hassle :)
[12:13] <SudoPus> seth_k: If you are talking at me..not a problem...I unlike many realize no one is obligated to help me :-))
[12:13] <seth_k> haha
[12:13] <seth_k> good attitude, but that's what the spirit of ubuntu is all about
[12:13] <seth_k> helping people
[12:15] <SudoPus> seth_k: I should just copy past all 39 lines then uncomment the ones I need? Or there is a scroll list below that with some additional stuff?
[12:15] <SudoPus> *paste*
[12:15] <seth_k> SudoPus: just paste exactly as written
[12:15] <seth_k> no uncommenting needed
[12:15] <seth_k> those are only source repositories
[12:16] <spermie_411> anybody want Gmail?
[12:16] <SudoPus> seth_k: I see that, but there are additional lines that can be copied below that...you have to scroll the list box to see all the entries
[12:17] <seth_k> no SudoPus, that's just an editable version of the above lines
[12:17] <seth_k> cause it's a pastebin
[12:18] <SudoPus> Ok now I am awake...heh
[12:18] <supernix>  any good books on Linux for N00Bs
[12:18] <seth_k> I've never found books to do a very good job as compared to forums, IRC, etc.
[12:19] <seth_k> except for the very basics, like terminal usage
[12:19] <supernix> hmmm k
[12:19] <seth_k> Linux and its supporting apps change so fast that things go obsolete quickly
[12:19] <seth_k> http://ubuntuforums.org has tons of useful tips
[12:19] <seth_k> and http://wiki.ubuntu.com has lots of how-tos, etc.
[12:19] <supernix> figured i would get something I could study offline just in case I had critical issues
[12:19] <supernix> I have some books but they are at least a year old matter fact one covers Red Hat 7 if that tells you anything
[12:19] <jeanluc> hi
[12:19] <jeanluc> im back
[12:20] <supernix> Not sure how useful books that old would be though
[12:20] <jeanluc> seth you there?
[12:21] <seth_k> yep
[12:21] <SudoPus> held packages are kdepim and kdenetwork...wish me luck...
[12:21] <jeanluc> ok
[12:21] <jeanluc> I get this fucking error
[12:21] <jeanluc> :(
[12:21] <jeanluc> when I hit comimit
[12:21] <jeanluc> it  says
[12:22] <jeanluc> Some of the packages could not be retrived from the server(s) do you want to continue, ignoring thiese packages?
[12:22] <jeanluc> and theres a yes and no button
[12:22] <BockBilbo> hello
[12:22] <SudoPus> BockBilbo: Howdy
[12:22] <seth_k> jeanluc: go ahead and hit no
[12:22] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me if its possible to see the gtk programs better on kde in kubuntu?
[12:22] <jeanluc> I did
[12:22] <seth_k> jeanluc: open a terminal and type:
[12:23] <seth_k> sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:23] <jeanluc> ok
[12:23] <seth_k> and remove the "us." from each line by arrowing over and pressing delete
[12:23] <jeanluc> login as root
[12:23] <BockBilbo> i normaly use gnome, and ive just installed the kubuntu-packages, and seens that the gtk programs have a very bad appearance
[12:23] <seth_k> so that each line will say "deb http://archive.ubuntu..."
[12:23] <seth_k> jeanluc: no
[12:23] <jeanluc> it ask for
[12:23] <seth_k> just use sudoedit
[12:23] <jeanluc> password
[12:23] <seth_k> that's your password
[12:23] <SudoPus> seth_k: that got rid of the problems ;-O.... now does it put mozilla-firefox in /var/lib for the executable? I see no menu entry in KDE
[12:23] <seth_k> not a root password
[12:24] <seth_k> SudoPus: it *should* be under Internet
[12:24] <jeanluc> now
[12:24] <robhert> hi!
[12:24] <jeanluc> there is a lot of crap
[12:24] <robhert> how can i install from tar.gz?
[12:24] <spermie_411> get rid of the "us "after the /archive
[12:24] <SudoPus> seth_K: It isn't but...I do see mozilla-firefox in /var/lib
[12:25] <seth_k> SudoPus: 
[12:25] <seth_k> try killall kicker && kicker
[12:25] <seth_k> robhert: those are source packages
[12:25] <seth_k> robhert: you would need to compile them
[12:25] <seth_k> robhert: you can't find what you want in Kynaptic?
[12:25] <SudoPus> err...that was /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[12:26] <robhert> seth_k: thanks for the answers , but i dont know what's kynaptic
[12:26] <robhert> im newb in kubuntu
[12:26] <BockBilbo> kynaptic its a kind of synaptic
[12:26] <apokryphos> BockBilbo: sudo apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[12:26] <seth_k> robhert: Linux doesn't install programs like windows
[12:27] <robhert> yes, that i know ;)
[12:27] <seth_k> robhert: Kynaptic is a program that can access Ubuntu's software repositories and install software with just a few clicks
[12:27] <SudoPus> seth_k: kewl...a SIGSEGV
[12:27] <seth_k> SudoPus: heh
[12:27] <apokryphos> You're better of using KPackage at the moment -- better.
[12:27] <robhert> seth_k: where is Kynaptic?
[12:27] <seth_k> apokryphos: is it usable right now?
[12:27] <apokryphos> seth_k: it's always been
[12:27] <seth_k> robhert: K Menu > System > Package Manager (Kynaptic)
[12:28] <SudoPus> seth_k: I still can't find the executable...is there a lisppaste bot I can use?
[12:29] <jeanluc> seth
[12:29] <jeanluc> can you walk me step by step how to install fire fox
[12:29] <jeanluc> cuz its not working
[12:29] <seth_k> SudoPus: it's linked to /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox i'm sure
[12:29] <jeanluc> :(
[12:29] <apokryphos> jeanluc: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox 
[12:29] <jeanluc> wtf is that
[12:30] <apokryphos> jeanluc: enter that in Konsole
[12:30] <jeanluc> this is my first time using linux
[12:30] <seth_k> he's super new, apokryphos 
[12:30] <jeanluc> ok
[12:30] <apokryphos> jeanluc: Alt + F2 -> konsole
[12:30] <apokryphos> jeanluc: from there, sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[12:30] <jeanluc> yarg
[12:30] <jeanluc> that didn't work
[12:30] <SudoPus> seth_k: I am sure you are sure..however that doesn't mean it is there... ls -al mozilla-firefox shows me squat
[12:30] <jeanluc> gave me errors
[12:30] <apokryphos> jeanluc: could you paste them?
[12:30] <jeanluc> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:30] <jeanluc> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:30] <robhert> seth_k: thanx!.. but can u help to find a soft like dreamweaver or frontpage (web editor)
[12:31] <spermie_411> do u all have a link for nmaps mans page?
[12:31] <apokryphos> jeanluc: close synaptic/kynaptic
[12:31] <jeanluc> ok
[12:31] <apokryphos> then redo it
[12:31] <SudoPus> ls: mozilla-firefox: No such file or directory
[12:32] <jeanluc> I think it wokr
[12:32] <seth_k> robhert: nvu, or bluefish, or Quanta
[12:32] <apokryphos> robhert: There aren't really any decent WYSIWYG editors. But Kate and Quanta are great ;-)
[12:32] <spermie_411> gentoo take alot of work =(
[12:32] <SudoPus> apokryphos: Due to the fact they don't always work so well with flash/shockwave etc
[12:32] <robhert> seth_k: under which directory they are?
[12:33] <apokryphos> SudoPus: they've worked fine with those here
[12:33] <seth_k> robhert: just search for them in Kynaptic
[12:33] <seth_k> robhert: or sudo aptitude install <packagename> in a terminal
[12:33] <robhert> iin fact i've downloaded them from their sites. and i wanted to install them
[12:33] <jeanluc> ok
[12:34] <jeanluc> im fucking pissssssed
[12:34] <SudoPus> And that still doesn't explain why kynaptic shows only mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb but no option to install mozilla-firefox...
[12:34] <apokryphos> robhert: no point if they're in the repos
[12:34] <apokryphos> jeanluc: how did it go?
[12:34] <jeanluc> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[12:34] <jeanluc> so
[12:34] <jeanluc> then I did
[12:34] <apokryphos> jeanluc: run apt-get update first, then re-run the command
[12:34] <jeanluc> ya
[12:34] <jeanluc> I did that
[12:34] <apokryphos> *sudo apt-get update
[12:34] <robhert> yes..  i just said lt like a comment ;)
[12:34] <seth_k> jeanluc: you need to do what I told you and remove the us. from /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:35] <jeanluc> wtf
[12:35] <jeanluc> im confused
[12:35] <jeanluc> ok
[12:35] <jeanluc> now it says
[12:35] <SudoPus> jeanluc: Also did you update your sources list with the link provided..I had to do as seth_k stated...
[12:35] <jeanluc> reading package list.... Done
[12:35] <apokryphos> seth_k: That's not necessarily the case... has it said that error?
[12:35] <jeanluc> no
[12:35] <jeanluc> I didn't update sources list
[12:35] <jeanluc> how do I do that?
[12:35] <SudoPus> jeanluc: just a sec
[12:36] <apokryphos> jeanluc: with reading package list.... Done -- does it say any errors before?
[12:36] <jeanluc> ok
[12:36] <jeanluc> no
[12:36] <apokryphos> jeanluc: if not, then sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[12:36] <jeanluc> now it says
[12:37] <jeanluc> do you want to continue
[12:37] <SudoPus> jeanluc: here is the link...just copy all 39 lines and paste into sources.list after you have deleted everything out of it
[12:37] <jeanluc> y/n
[12:37] <apokryphos> jeanluc: you do
[12:37] <SudoPus> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/303802
[12:37] <jeanluc> ok
[12:37] <jeanluc> how do I update sources list
[12:37] <apokryphos> SudoPus: he's not getting an error with his sources.list .... that's unnecessary
[12:37] <seth_k> apokryphos: he was getting md5sum mismatches... methinks it is necessary
[12:38] <jeanluc> ok
[12:38] <jeanluc> how do I open and delete my sources?
[12:38] <apokryphos> If a sudo apt-get update went fine without errors, then he's good to go
[12:38] <SudoPus> jeanluc: Well he is brand new, then considering he hasn't edited sources.list and removed US this seems the easiest way to resolve the problem..don't you think?
[12:38] <SudoPus> Sorry...
[12:38] <SudoPus> apokryphos:
[12:39] <apokryphos> SudoPus: no. If it was the us.archive error (has it been established that he's using it), then apt-get update would give an error
[12:39] <Geist|Patrick> gn8
[12:39] <SudoPus> jeanluc: type "sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:39] <jeanluc> ok
[12:39] <SudoPus> this will open the file for editing
[12:39] <apokryphos> ergh
[12:39] <apokryphos> jeanluc: is firefox downloading?
[12:40] <jeanluc> it gets like half way
[12:40] <apokryphos> SudoPus: vi is hardly the editor of choice for newbies...
[12:40] <jeanluc> and then says something about 
[12:40] <jeanluc> w8
[12:40] <seth_k> SudoPus: just use "sudoedit"
[12:40] <seth_k> SudoPus: it'll launch $EDITOR
[12:40] <seth_k> which, in ubuntu, is nano
[12:41] <jeanluc> ok
[12:41] <seth_k> apokryphos: I don't believe so. It's not the packagelists that are corrupt, it's some of the files on the mirrors. I still think he should take out the us.
[12:41] <apokryphos> I personally think it's always a bad idea bombarding newbies with CUI. They want graphical things; when they see CUI is useful then they venture into that
[12:41] <jeanluc> MY FUCKING ERROR IS " some packages could not be retrieved from the servers
[12:41] <jeanluc> thats what it say
[12:41] <BockBilbo> sorry , got disconncted
[12:42] <apokryphos> Right, *Now* we know that there's errors with the mirrors
[12:42] <crimsun> geez, the language is outta hand.
[12:42] <jeanluc> when ever I commit something in kynaptic
[12:42] <SudoPus> apokryphos: I ain't here to get into your business...yeah you are right..but then again you might as well learn to use one of the defacto editors sometime..it isn't that hard with someone explaining what to do...I will just shut up and let you drive...you seem to need to be right about it all
[12:42] <seth_k> apokryphos: I told you that 20 minutes ago
[12:42] <seth_k> jeanluc: please watch your language
[12:42] <jeanluc> sorry
[12:42] <jeanluc> just mad with linux
[12:42] <jeanluc> it was easier in redhat
[12:42] <BockBilbo> apokryphos, ive installed the gtk2-engines-gtk-qt package, but i still see the gtk programs really small
[12:42] <apokryphos> SudoPus: ...whereas you don't? It's good to learn them "sometime", but surely the one time to not learn them is when you're a newbie, if there is such a time.
[12:43] <apokryphos> BockBilbo: you can access the settings for them from kcontrol. You may need to restart KDE (for some, that was the case)
[12:43] <SudoPus> apokryphos: pidof15
[12:43] <seth_k> BockBilbo: you restarted whatever gtk program you were using?
[12:43] <BockBilbo> seth_k, yes, i also restarted kde
[12:43] <seth_k> BockBilbo: Make sure that your GTK settings are correct in KControl > Appearance > GTK
[12:44] <Mez> evening seth
[12:44] <BockBilbo> seth_k, apokryphos thats what im checking now
[12:44] <McScruff> lo
[12:44] <BockBilbo> :)
[12:44] <BockBilbo> worked
[12:45] <BockBilbo> gonna restart xcha
[12:45] <BockBilbo> t
[12:45] <apokryphos> jeanluc: on Kubuntu, one of the best things you can have, starting out, is the Kubuntu guide: http://kudos.berlios.de
[12:45] <McScruff> how do i set permissions so everyone can edit all files in a certain folder?
[12:45] <apokryphos> McScruff: Right-Click -> Properties -> Permissions ;)
[12:45] <SudoPus> seth_k: Thanks for the help bro..that fixes my trivial questions about this distro...I can handle it from here on out...
[12:45] <seth_k> SudoPus: glad I could help, see you around sometime
[12:45] <jeanluc> ok
[12:45] <jeanluc> this is gay
[12:45] <SudoPus> righto
[12:45] <jeanluc> im about to uninstall
[12:46] <McScruff> apokryphos, is there a command
[12:46] <apokryphos> jeanluc: no, it's not gay. And if you're not going to have patience then, quite frankly, I wouldn't say Linux is the way to go
[12:46] <apokryphos> McScruff: chmod
[12:46] <jeanluc> I have used other distros like redhat and fedora fine
[12:46] <McScruff> thats the 1 :)
[12:46] <jeanluc> but this is my first kde distro
[12:46] <McScruff> cheers
[12:47] <McScruff> isnt jde default in fedora?
[12:47] <jeanluc> is there anyway to install from a tar.gz?
[12:47] <McScruff> *kde
[12:47] <apokryphos> jeanluc: ok, hold on. I'll make it easy/quick
[12:47] <jeanluc> I think what im doing is working just the servers are down are something
[12:47] <seth_k> apokryphos: just have him paste from the pastebin! which is what SudoPus and I both told him before :P
[12:47] <seth_k> ?? sources.list
[12:47] <kinfo> [sources.list]  example /etc/apt/sources.list with all official repositories plus KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4 from kubuntu.org can be found at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/303802
[12:48] <apokryphos> seth_k: seems to have problems with that... next plan
[12:48] <robhert> i have a genius vivdpage 4xe scanner and i've found its driver from SANE.. how can i install it?
[12:48] <apokryphos> jeanluc: enter these exact commands
[12:48] <jeanluc> kk
[12:48] <seth_k> (next plan is running sed, I hope)
[12:48] <apokryphos> jeanluc: sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources1.list
[12:48] <apokryphos> jeanluc: sudo wget http://giannaros.org/sources.list
[12:49] <BockBilbo> great
[12:49] <Mez> seth_k, did you get my msg on AIM
[12:49] <apokryphos> jeanluc: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[12:49] <BockBilbo> now, whats the way to set firefox as default browser?
[12:49] <seth_k> Mez: let me switch computers and check it
[12:49] <jeanluc> the list of sources
[12:49] <jeanluc> could not be read
[12:49] <jeanluc> is the error
[12:49] <apokryphos> seth_k: this way I can save potential hassle of adding kubuntu repos/enabling [mult] universe too
[12:50] <seth_k> apokryphos, well played :)
[12:50] <apokryphos> jeanluc: whoops. One second
[12:50] <seth_k> apokryphos: you didn't move it into /etc/apt/
[12:50] <apokryphos> gah
[12:52] <apokryphos> jeanluc: cd /etc/apt
[12:52] <apokryphos> jeanluc: wget http://giannaros.org/sources.list
[12:52] <apokryphos> jeanluc: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[12:52] <jeanluc> cannot write
[12:53] <jeanluc> to source list
[12:53] <jeanluc> permission denied
[12:53] <apokryphos> jeanluc: put a sudo in front of it
[12:53] <Mez> jeanluc, is your surname "picard" ?
[12:53] <jeanluc> lno
[12:53] <jeanluc> no
[12:53] <jeanluc> but
[12:53] <jeanluc> jeanluc is my 
[12:54] <Mez> :)
[12:54] <jeanluc> name
[12:54] <jeanluc> sweet
[12:54] <jeanluc> its working
[12:54] <jeanluc> THANK YOU!!! :D :)
[12:54] <Mez> sorry :D just ahd to check you weren't jean luc piccard of the startship enterprise .
[12:54] <apokryphos> jeanluc: no problem. Bookmark that guide for future reference; it'll answer 99% of your questions
[12:55] <jeanluc> which one?
[12:55] <apokryphos> Ok, less than that (it's lacking in the explanation area currently, but it'll get better).
[12:55] <apokryphos> jeanluc: http://kudos.berlios.de
[12:55] <jeanluc> ok
[12:55] <jeanluc> ya
[12:55] <jeanluc> now its selecting and unpacking
[12:55] <jeanluc> ok its done
[12:56] <jeanluc> fire fox
[12:56] <jeanluc> WORKS
[12:56] <apokryphos> yuck
[12:56] <jeanluc> SWEET NESS
[12:56] <jeanluc> your soo leet
[12:56] <jeanluc> brb gotta clean the table
[12:56] <apokryphos> leet? That's gotta be a new one
[01:00] <seth_k> heh
[01:05] <jeanluc> ok
[01:05] <jeanluc> my last  question
[01:05] <jeanluc> How come theres no audio!?!?!?!?
[01:06] <jeanluc> I'm playing a mp3 but no sound
[01:06] <jeanluc> speakers are hooked up
[01:06] <jeanluc> :(
[01:07] <McScruff> what player?
[01:07] <jeanluc> amarok
[01:07] <jeanluc> I don't think theres drivers installed
[01:07] <McScruff> did you install the amarok-engine?
[01:07] <jeanluc> no
[01:07] <jeanluc> but its running
[01:07] <jeanluc> I dopn't know if I did
[01:07] <McScruff> sudo apt-get install amarok-engine
[01:08] <McScruff> or use the gui like i do :)
[01:08] <robhert> a soft like FIREWORKS to edit PNG files.. can u help me?
[01:08] <McScruff> i think gimp does png
[01:08] <uniq> mcscruff & jeanluc: amarok-engines :)
[01:08] <jeanluc> how do I do that
[01:09] <jeanluc> sudo apt-get install amarok-engine ?
[01:09] <McScruff> uniq mine works :)
[01:09] <robhert> gimp. ok. i'll try it..
[01:09] <McScruff> jean - yes
[01:09] <jeanluc> i did
[01:09] <_mike> hey, how would i install flash and shockwave into konqueror
[01:09] <McScruff> now goto settings 
[01:09] <McScruff> and change engine
[01:09] <McScruff> in amarok
[01:10] <jeanluc> I changed to
[01:10] <jeanluc> xine
[01:10] <jeanluc> still
[01:10] <jeanluc> no sound
[01:10] <McScruff> eek
[01:10] <McScruff> look in volume control and make sure pcm and colume are up
[01:10] <McScruff> *volume
[01:11] <_mike> jean, make sure your account has permissions to view sound files. go to user managemnt and edit ur acdcount and put a check mark next to all the boxes
[01:11] <jeanluc> wheres user management
[01:11] <_mike> system > user management
[01:11] <_mike> otherwise known as users and groups
[01:12] <uniq> kmenu - system - kuser
[01:13] <jeanluc> yes
[01:13] <jeanluc> ok
[01:13] <jeanluc> these are checked
[01:13] <jeanluc> adm
[01:13] <jeanluc> admin
[01:13] <jeanluc> audio
[01:13] <jeanluc> cdrom
[01:13] <uniq> audio.
[01:13] <jeanluc> dialout
[01:13] <jeanluc> dip
[01:13] <jeanluc> ya
[01:13] <jeanluc> its checked
[01:13] <uniq> should do it.
[01:13] <_mike> hmm...it should be working...is your sound card installed properly?
[01:14] <jeanluc> well
[01:14] <jeanluc> its onboard
[01:14] <jeanluc> my motherboard
[01:14] <jeanluc> and it works in windows
[01:14] <_mike> try this, click the volume speaker button from the start bar > go into mixer and put everything at half
[01:14] <uniq> you can try 'arsshell suspend' from a terminal.
[01:15] <yourghetek> is there a list of webcams that are compatible with gnomemeeting without any tweaking
[01:15] <yourghetek> ?
[01:15] <uniq> that will make the arts soundserver release it's lock on /dev/dsp (if it has one).. and make it free for others to use.
[01:16] <uniq> yourghetek: I don't know, tried #gnomemeeting?
[01:16] <jeanluc> I copy and paste this in konsle?
[01:16] <jeanluc> arsshell suspend
[01:16] <jeanluc> or artshell suspend
[01:16] <yourghetek> uniq: yeah, nobody is talking
[01:16] <yourghetek> uniq: there is only 6 people in there 2 are bots /:
[01:16] <uniq> jeanluc: sorry, 'artsshell suspend', my bad.
[01:17] <jeanluc> said
[01:17] <jeanluc> servber was already
[01:17] <jeanluc> suspende
[01:18] <uniq> yourghetek: ok, i have no clue, you can try to surf their webpage, search google or ask in #ubuntu or #gnome or something similar.
[01:20] <yourghetek> oooh havent tried gnome yet
[01:20] <yourghetek> thanks
[01:31] <jeanluc> are mp3 files suppose to work in kubuntu
[01:31] <_mike_> yes
[01:31] <_mike_> i get them working all the time
[01:31] <newbie> i was wondering if any of you used pure-ftpd and is it better then proftpd?
[01:33] <_mike_> is there an ftp client for kubuntu
[01:33] <McScruff> anyone know of any linux software like the windows sony erricson DRM package manager
[01:34] <McScruff> kbear for kde?
[01:34] <_mike_> kbear is an ftp client?
[01:35] <_mike_> k
[01:35] <McScruff> :)
[01:35] <newbie> _mike_ kbear has too many issues
[01:35] <newbie> gftp is better
[01:35] <McScruff> i just use konqueror
[01:35] <apokryphos> Konqueror is the best :P
[01:35] <McScruff> lol
[01:35] <apokryphos> But I use fish instead
[01:35] <apokryphos> (...of FTP)
[01:35] <_mike_> ill just get all of them
[01:36] <McScruff> but help me on my Q
[01:37] <glyph_> hello
[01:37] <newbie> McScruff i am not familiar wthe DRM and what it does can you tell me what you are exactly looking for
[01:38] <glyph_> i'm looking for a download of klik does anyone know where i can find it?
[01:38] <apokryphos> glyph_: what is it?
[01:38] <jeanluc> can someone tell me why mp3 do not work on my kubuntu
[01:38] <_mike_> thats strange...i installed both kbear and gftp through synaptics but i cant find them in my menu
[01:38] <jeanluc> do I need mp3 codec?
[01:39] <glyph_> point-and-klik software
[01:39] <apokryphos> jeanluc: if you have amaroK then they should work
[01:39] <newbie> type kbear in a console
[01:39] <jeanluc> I do
[01:39] <jeanluc> they don't
[01:39] <jeanluc> but
[01:39] <jeanluc> .wavs
[01:39] <jeanluc> .wav
[01:39] <newbie> you might need to start it first then it will be in the menu
[01:39] <jeanluc> does
[01:39] <apokryphos> jeanluc: please doesn't unnecessarily flood
[01:40] <apokryphos> jeanluc: what engine you using? You could try installing akode-mpeg and then killall artsd
[01:40] <jeanluc> xine
[01:41] <glyph_> basicly you click on a link and it downloads and installs the software
[01:41] <apokryphos> glyph_: never heard of it, sounds cool.
[01:42] <glyph_> ah ok how bout the software i want to use it for Ktrack know where i can find that
[01:42] <moshe> hello
[01:42] <glyph_> hi
[01:42] <moshe> how is mounting/unmounting of cdrom volumes handled in kubuntu under kde?
[01:43] <apokryphos> Hal
[01:43] <glyph_> im the odd one out here i use Ubuntu but ive added KDE and XFCE
[01:43] <moshe> so, do I need to issue any umount cmd or can I just eject the disk?
[01:43] <McScruff> newbie DRM is to digitly protect music so my shit s700i branded mobile will use it as a ringtone
[01:43] <apokryphos> glyph_: not odd at all; that is Kubuntu, too.
[01:44] <apokryphos> moshe: you should me able to right-click -> eject
[01:44] <moshe> in konqueror?
[01:44] <supernix> Just curious anyone here good with SATA drives ?
[01:44] <glyph_> true but im comeing from FC4 i just got ubuntu
[01:44] <apokryphos> moshe: Yeah. In Konqueror use the media:/ ioslave
[01:45] <moshe> I was expecting an icon to appear on the desktop when I inserted the drive
[01:45] <apokryphos> glyph_: FC3 was my previous before [k] ubuntu too
[01:45] <moshe> media:/ only show my hard drive partitions
[01:45] <glyph_> oh ok
[01:45] <uniq> supernix: yes. i have sata disks.
[01:45] <apokryphos> moshe: Then it's not mounted
[01:45] <moshe> it is mounted
[01:45] <moshe> I just copied data from it
[01:45] <supernix> uniq:  I have a SATA That will not automount 
[01:45] <glyph_> my list of users just dissaperd from X-Chat
[01:45] <apokryphos> Then it should be in media:/ ...or evidently something's going wrong.
[01:46] <uniq> supernix: can't says i'm good with them though.. i have a kubuntu machine running on sata.
[01:46] <supernix> Any ideas on what I can do to correct that?
[01:46] <apokryphos> glyph_: xchat.. yuck :P
[01:46] <apokryphos> supernix: you using 3.4.1?
[01:46] <uniq> supernix: an extra sata disk?
[01:46] <supernix> Yes
[01:46] <glyph_> well i tried wineing trillian and i keeps falling off the screen
[01:46] <supernix> I only have one SATA and it is totally NTFS
[01:46] <apokryphos> glyph_: konversation
[01:47] <glyph_> im gona have to apt-get that one
[01:47] <uniq> cat /proc/partitions - find it (sdXX) and make a /etc/fstab line for it.
[01:47] <uniq> supernix: ^^
[01:47] <apokryphos> glyph_: it should come with kubuntu-desktop actually...
[01:47] <moshe> it does
[01:47] <glyph_> im useing pure ubuntu i added KDE
[01:47] <apokryphos> glyph_: hwo did you add KDE? You didn't install kubuntu-desktop?
[01:48] <supernix> Ok any idea how best to add the line?
[01:48] <glyph_> i used synaptic
[01:48] <apokryphos> That's the recommended way, but it isn't the only obviously..
[01:48] <uniq> supernix: if you know the name of the disk, i knmow what to put in the file. 
[01:48] <apokryphos> glyph_: ok. It's most certainly worth apt-getting
[01:48] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[01:48] <glyph_> well its working now
[01:49] <glyph_> apt is
[01:49] <glyph_> its done
[01:49] <pax> whatever works budy
[01:49] <Riddell> Mez: hi
[01:50] <supernix> it is sd1
[01:50] <supernix> excuse
[01:50] <supernix> sda1
[01:50] <_glyph> got it
[01:50] <Mez> Riddell: who's working on kgpg in the KDE project (and what's the latest verison number available for download - because kgpg = pretty out of date
[01:50] <apokryphos> _glyph: cool
[01:50] <_glyph> what i would like to wine is mIRC
[01:51] <apokryphos> :S
[01:51] <apokryphos> _glyph: wasn't that really ugly? Only reason I used to want to use it is because most IRC download sites assume you have it, so integrate well with it
[01:51] <apokryphos> suffice it to say, I wouldn't really want it anymore
[01:52] <apokryphos> (although, Konvi still has problems with resuming downloads)
[01:52] <Riddell> Mez: I have kgpg 1.2.1, don't know who's working on it
[01:52] <_glyph> yes well i likes trillians irc client but trillian "fell" off the screen agian, agian, and agian...
[01:52] <Mez> same version as me - it's incredibly out of date and needs a couple of bug fixes
[01:53] <Mez> wish I knew enought to program that
[01:53] <supernix> this is what i have 
[01:53] <Mez> for example, it doesnt show uid's if the uid has a signature revoked under it
[01:53] <Riddell> Mez: what's out of date about it?
[01:53] <Mez> It doesnt work with the new GPG direct trust model
[01:54] <supernix> here is the line /dev/sda1  /mnt/windows  ntfs  umask=0222  0  0
[01:54] <Mez> It's reporting trusts of some things wrong
[01:54] <Mez> It doesnt set the trust level of a key correctly if the command line is set not to ask for a key level
[01:55] <Mez> cert level*
[01:55] <Mez> There's quite a few things wrong with it Riddell 
[01:55] <supernix> forgot where i found that to insert
[01:55] <supernix> so as you can see there is a line there but it aint working
[01:55] <_glyph> woo
[01:55] <Mez> For example Riddell, grab my key from the keyserver, and you'll see it doesnt show my UIDs because it got screwed up by someone.
[01:55] <spermie_411> can anybody answer this question? whats is the avarage weight size for a 18 year old male?
[01:56] <_glyph> dont know only 17
[01:56] <Mez> Now I have to delete those sigs to get it to display properly (or supercede my key)
[01:56] <spermie_411> _glyph how much u weight
[01:56] <apokryphos> spermie_411: Google is your friend
[01:57] <spermie_411> apokryphos already looked on google couldnt find it
[01:57] <uniq> supernix: try to change it to: /dev/sda1  /mnt/windows  ntfs  defaults,umask=0222  0  0
[01:57] <uniq> supernix: and check that /mnt/windows exists.
[01:57] <_glyph> try webmd
[01:57] <spermie_411> alright
[01:58] <_glyph> gtg
[01:58] <apokryphos> erm... you couldn't have looked hard. http://www.indiachildren.com/htwtc.htm
[01:58] <supernix> ok uniq so just add defaults, to the code already there ?
[02:04] <spermie_411> is there a way u can make x-chat minimize to a tray icon?
[02:06] <apokryphos> (I think this is my third attempt at a konversation conversion today)
[02:06] <apokryphos> we will prevail!
[02:07] <kalenedrael> hmm
[02:07] <spermie_411> dang im below the weight limits for being 18 =(
[02:08] <spermie_411> way below avarage
[02:08] <apokryphos> I am too, don't worry ;-)
[02:08] <seth_k> go outside and stop talking on IRC, you might bulk up :P
[02:08] <spermie_411> good ;)
[02:08] <apokryphos> I should be 1.5 years old, apparently
[02:08] <apokryphos> *15.5
[02:09] <spermie_411> ur 15
[02:09] <bbailey> Does that mean you're 15 in ircyears?
[02:09] <spermie_411> heh heh
[02:09] <apokryphos> irc is timeless, surely.
[02:10] <apokryphos> yeouch, 1:!0 already.. I guess it's not.
[02:10] <spermie_411> lol
[02:14] <_glyph> sigh mIRC will not wine...
[02:16] <spermie_411> i can't get limewire on kubuntu any idead from anyone?
[02:17] <spermie_411> also can't get Zsnes
[02:17] <seth_k> I packaged zSNES for Hoary
[02:17] <seth_k> http://sethkinast.com/ubuntu/hoary/backports/
[02:17] <berkz> having trouble doing a kubuntu install from harddrive.. Installation says the following .. Copy the following files from the Debian archives to a convenient location on your hard drive, for instance to /boot/newinstall/. 
[02:17] <berkz> vmlinuz (kernel binary) 
[02:17] <berkz> initrd.gz (ramdisk image) 
[02:17] <berkz> but where do i find these files?
[02:17] <berkz> debian archive's are kinda huge:D
[02:20] <spermie_411> seth_k i dont know how to install files other then doing apt-get 
[02:20] <seth_k> spermie_411: sudo dpkg -i /path/to/the.deb
[02:20] <spermie_411> ok
[02:20] <seth_k> berkz: http://wiki.ubuntu.com is my only guess. try searching it
[02:23] <spermie_411> seth_k ok sorry about all my stupid questions. but the .deb file is ony my desktop, so should it look like this:   sudo dpkg -i /home/desktop/zsnes_1.420-0ubuntu1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb
[02:24] <seth_k> nope
[02:24] <berkz> seth_k: found it on the forums..  thx
[02:24] <spermie_411> =(
[02:24] <seth_k> sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/zsnesblahblah
[02:24] <seth_k> ~ is a shortcut to home
[02:24] <seth_k> and Desktop is capitalized (case-sensitive in Linux)
[02:25] <seth_k> tab completion is your friend
[02:25] <seth_k> use it
[02:25] <berkz> seth_k: The file's are in a subdirectory 11 levels down.. :D
[02:25] <seth_k> berkz: =D
[02:26] <spermie_411> alright thanks seth_k  ur awsome
[02:27] <spermie_411> next mission, Limewire is there a deb. for it?
[02:28] <seth_k> no, but there's an rpm
[02:28] <seth_k> so download the rpm
[02:28] <seth_k> sudo alien -i /path/to/the.rpm
[02:29] <spermie_411> whats the alien mean?
[02:29] <seth_k> alien turns rpms into debs
[02:33] <_str> is it posible to manage input arrays in javascript?
[02:35] <_str> is it posible to manage input arrays in javascript?
[02:35] <supernix> Hiya
[02:37] <supernix> Well I did try the whole reboot and it did not mount the drive again
[02:41] <spermie_411> any of  all ever installed java need help on doing so
[02:41] <spermie_411> you6
[02:43] <uniq> ?? java
[02:43] <kinfo> [java]  take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[02:46] <P3L|C4N0> ?? kvirc
[02:46] <kinfo> No match for "kvirc"
[02:46] <P3L|C4N0> xD
[02:48] <P3L|C4N0> repositories for kvirc 3.2 ???
[02:48] <McScruff> compile from source
[02:49] <P3L|C4N0> oks
[02:49] <McScruff> thats what i did
[02:49] <McScruff> :)
[02:49] <BockBilbo> is it possible to configure firefox as the default browser for kubuntu?
[02:49] <McScruff> kubuntu only has 2.2.0 
[02:50] <supernix> guys is there a way I can have a command run at boot time?
[02:50] <BockBilbo> supernix, check the rc's
[02:50] <supernix> When the OS is booting it can't mount my SATA but after it boots I can run mount -a and it works fine
[02:51] <McScruff> does anyone know what DRM is
[02:51] <P3L|C4N0> McScruff, a Howto for Kvirc 3.2?
[02:52] <McScruff> get source
[02:52] <uniq> supernix: could you put yours complete /etc/fstab on a paste site womehwere?  or upload it somewhere.. 
[02:52] <McScruff> extract it
[02:52] <McScruff> cd to it
[02:52] <McScruff> then ./configure
[02:52] <McScruff> then make
[02:52] <supernix> hmm where is that paste service ?
[02:52] <McScruff> then make instll
[02:53] <McScruff> *install
[02:53] <uniq> ?? paste
[02:53] <kinfo> [paste]  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[02:53] <McScruff> its all in the readme
[02:53] <uniq> bockbilbo: control center - kde components - component chooser - web browser.
[02:53] <McScruff> ?? DRM
[02:53] <kinfo> No match for "DRM"
[02:55] <uniq> mcscruff: it's evil thing, made by microsoft. digital rights management or something like that.
[02:55] <supernix> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/311601
[02:55] <BockBilbo> thanks uniq 
[02:56] <uniq> bockbilbo: you're welcome.
[02:56] <McScruff> uniq, im looking for a linux app to add it
[02:56] <uniq> supernix: /mnt/windows exists and all? 
[02:57] <supernix> I see it in /mnt/
[02:57] <uniq> ok.
[02:57] <uniq> ah.. you said everything works after a mount -a
[02:57] <uniq> strange.
[02:58] <iahim> what do you people use for tv and fm?
[02:58] <supernix> uniq I have to get back to work but I desperately need help bbl
[02:58] <supernix> ty for everything
[03:04] <uniq> supernix: you can try to add 'ntfs' to /etc/modules, can't think of anything else. you don't get error messages on boot or anything? 
[03:15] <spermie_411> Limewirs stuck on loading HTML engine?
[03:15] <spermie_411> Limewire
[03:15] <spermie_411> nevermind i got it
[03:24] <spermie_411> hey where do i got on kde to add a new mouse theme?
[03:25] <CavalierBob> Hi all.
[03:26] <CavalierBob> Trying to compile kmymoney2. I keep getting an error at the ./configure point.
[03:26] <CavalierBob> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[03:26] <uniq> spermie_411: control center - pheripherals - mouse - you'll find the themes tab.
[03:26] <CavalierBob> Got GCC, g++, and what looks to be the right libs installed....ideas??
[03:27] <uniq> cavalierbob: install the 'build-essential' package
[03:29] <gennio> do you speake spanish??'
[03:29] <gennio> need you install kvirc 3.2
[03:29] <gennio> :S
[03:29] <CavalierBob> uniq: Thanks man! Too simple...it just worked!
[03:31] <gennio> i need install kvirc 3.2
[03:31] <uniq> cavalierbob: you're welcome.
[03:31] <gennio> please help me!!
[03:32] <seth_k> sudo aptitude install kvirc ?
[03:33] <mortarhate> has anyone noticed that blackbox doesn't config itself when you install it
[03:33] <mortarhate> usually it does /:
[03:33] <seth_k> oh, old version
[03:34] <spermie_411> The file 5533-Silver-XCursors-3D-0.4.tar.bz2 does not appear to be a valid cursor theme archive.
[03:34] <spermie_411> i get that when trying to install a new mouse theme
[03:34] <spermie_411> ^
[03:35] <spermie_411> 5533-Silver-XCursors-3D-0.4.tar.bz2  <~~ thats what it is
[03:38] <spermie_411> spermie_411 The file 5533-Silver-XCursors-3D-0.4.tar.bz2 does not appear to be a valid cursor theme archive.
[03:38] <spermie_411> spermie_411 i get that when trying to install a new mouse theme
[03:38] <spermie_411> spermie_411 ^
[03:38] <spermie_411> spermie_411 5533-Silver-XCursors-3D-0.4.tar.bz2  <~~ thats what it is
[03:40] <chris12349> does anyone know if there is a deb for k3b 12.2 for ubuntu or should I just compile from source
[03:45] <sproingie> what's in the new k3b ?
[03:46] <chris12349> I'm hoping for better dvd burning support
[03:50] <penguinboy> Hey geeks, nerds, and Linux gurus!
[03:52] <chris12349> hey penguinboy
[03:52] <penguinboy> hey hey ehy chris12349 
[03:53] <chris12349> I've been running linux for the past 3 years and I've never used irc... I though I should probably know something about it :)
[03:54] <penguinboy> lol
[03:54] <chris12349> im compiling k3b....I was hoping for a deb of the newest version but I couldn't find one.... 
[03:55] <uniq> it's in breezy, did you check backports? 
[03:56] <chris12349> I'm looking for  12.2 its not in backports yet... I don't think
[03:58] <jeanluc> Hey all
[03:58] <jeanluc> hows it going
[03:58] <chris12349> doin' good how about you
[03:58] <jeanluc> good
[03:58] <penguinboy> hey hey hey Mr. Uniq sir
[03:58] <jeanluc> just getting mad at konqueroro
[03:58] <chris12349> whats it doing?
[03:58] <jeanluc> closing
[03:58] <chris12349> :)
[03:58] <jeanluc> a lot
[03:59] <jeanluc> its says "the application konqueror crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV).
[03:59] <jeanluc> does anyone know what this is?
[04:00] <uniq> hi penguinboy.
[04:00] <chris12349> I think that can mean a lot of things
[04:00] <jeanluc> uniq
[04:00] <jeanluc> you know about that?
[04:00] <uniq> it means konqueror crashed.
[04:00] <jeanluc> can I fix it
[04:00] <jeanluc> cuz it does it everytime I open home folder
[04:00] <uniq> do you use kde 3.4.1 from kubuntu.org? 
[04:00] <jeanluc> I think
[04:01] <jeanluc> how can I check for sure
[04:01] <jeanluc> but thats where I dloaded it from
[04:01] <uniq> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php
[04:01] <chris12349> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main
[04:01] <chris12349> I got mine from there
[04:01] <uniq> correct.
[04:01] <chris12349> its pretty stable
[04:02] <jeanluc> ya
[04:02] <jeanluc> thats where I got the iso
[04:02] <uniq> ?? sources.list
[04:02] <kinfo> [sources.list]  example /etc/apt/sources.list with all official repositories plus KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4 from kubuntu.org can be found at: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/303802
[04:02] <jeanluc> ?? kde
[04:02] <kinfo> No match for "kde"
[04:02] <sproingie> heh
[04:03] <uniq> jeanluc: you can also press F9 to remove the sidebar, that's what causes the crashes.
[04:04] <jeanluc> thanks
[04:04] <jeanluc> opened it like 15 times
[04:04] <jeanluc> no crash
[04:04] <chris12349> interesting
[04:04] <uniq> 3.4.1 is more stable.. no doubts.
[04:05] <chris12349> I'm really looking forward to 4
[04:05] <jeanluc> isn't there a site like kde-look.com or something
[04:05] <jeanluc> for custom kde styles?
[04:05] <chris12349> yep
[04:05] <chris12349> and kde-apps.org 
[04:06] <jeanluc> ty
[04:07] <chris12349> wow the latest k3b is nice!
[04:08] <sproingie> anything new about it?
[04:08] <chris12349> yeah the gui has changed and it has a popup like amarok
[04:09] <chris12349> im still having problems with my burner  though...
[04:09] <chris12349> dmesg: Device sr0 not ready.
[04:09] <sproingie> alcohol 120 is pretty nice on the win side tho
[04:09] <sproingie> tho it's not free
[04:09] <jeanluc> I use nero
[04:10] <jeanluc> this is nice
[04:10] <jeanluc> http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/24179-1.jpg
[04:10] <chris12349> yeah I was looking at that the other day
[04:11] <chris12349> if i remember right its 1024x768 :(
[04:11] <jeanluc> ya
[04:11] <jeanluc> its weird
[04:11] <uniq> gnite guys.
[04:11] <jeanluc> night
[04:11] <chris12349> see ya
[04:15] <jeanluc> so
[04:15] <jeanluc> chris you know a lot about kubuntu?
[04:16] <chris12349> well I used slackware for a couple years and switched right when hoary came out so not a ton
[04:16] <jeanluc> lol this is my first linux distro
[04:16] <jeanluc> and I just installed it today
[04:17] <chris12349> I set up a friend last month.  He switch from Windows and there have been a few difficult areas but he really enjoys it. I hope you stick with it
[04:17] <jeanluc> ya I'm going to stick with it
[04:17] <jeanluc> only use windows for gaming
[04:18] <chris12349> yep I dual boot for the same reason
[04:18] <jeanluc> I heard its not worth the time to try to get games to work in linux
[04:18] <jeanluc> so I made a 10 gig partition for windows
[04:18] <chris12349> I've tried cedega and it works pretty well for a few games: world of warcraft was the latest I tried and it ran great
[04:18] <jeanluc> don't you have to pay for that?
[04:19] <chris12349> yeah I just wanted to try it out.... Pretty cool game but it really requires that you hook yourself up to an IV and play for hours on end to get anywhere
[04:19] <chris12349> I can't / dont want to spend quite that much time playing a video game
[04:20] <jeanluc> no cedega
[04:20] <chris12349> oh
[04:20] <chris12349> yeah its  5 dollars a month, I though I would support them - its a pretty cool project I look forward to when I don't have to dual boot 
[04:21] <chris12349> cool.... I got my burner to work ;)
[04:21] <jeanluc> nice
[04:21] <chris12349> apparently it doesnt run DVD-   kinda wierd I'll have to check into that
[04:22] <chris12349> so this is your first linux distro?
[04:24] <jeanluc> ya
[04:24] <chris12349> have you tried out gnome yet? 
[04:24] <jeanluc> I've used it at my friends house
[04:24] <jeanluc> hes running red hat
[04:25] <jeanluc> but I like kde a little better
[04:25] <othernoob> jeanluc: who doesn't :p
[04:25] <chris12349> I like the software better in KDE, but I really like the look of gnome 
[04:25] <jeanluc> :P
[04:25] <jeanluc> hmm
[04:25] <jeanluc> I installed
[04:25] <jeanluc> tuxracer
[04:25] <jeanluc> where can I find it
[04:25] <jeanluc> ?
[04:26] <jeanluc> ?? kubuntu
[04:26] <kinfo> No match for "kubuntu"
[04:26] <othernoob> probably in the menu
[04:26] <chris12349> are you familiar with the konsole?
[04:26] <jeanluc> negative
[04:26] <chris12349> :) you'll have to learn 
[04:26] <jeanluc> I just copied and pasted
[04:26] <jeanluc> what people told me to
[04:26] <jeanluc> :p
[04:26] <jeanluc> I know basic cmds
[04:26] <jeanluc> like ls
[04:26] <chris12349> heh ok, did you ever run dos
[04:26] <chris12349> oh ok
[04:26] <jeanluc> and su
[04:26] <jeanluc> and all the dos cmds
[04:26] <chris12349> well if you open the console and type "tuxracer" that should do it
[04:26] <jeanluc> ping, telnet, ect
[04:26] <jeanluc> ok
[04:26] <othernoob> jeanluc: you won't need su in kubuntu
[04:27] <chris12349> you probably wont be spending a lot of time with that game ;)
[04:27] <sproingie> dont need the console for that
[04:28] <othernoob> chris12349: people spent years with minesweeper ;)
[04:28] <chris12349> hehe
[04:28] <sproingie> alt-f2.  or alt-r if you set up kde to be like windows
[04:28] <sproingie> er win-r that is
[04:28] <chris12349> oops thats right
[04:28] <sproingie> or "run command" from the k menu
[04:28] <chris12349> although I would suggest getting familiar using the console as soon as possible
[04:29] <sproingie> true
[04:29] <sproingie> doing anything complicated usually requires the console
[04:29] <othernoob> doesn't it create a menu in the kmenu for games when you install them via kynaptic?
[04:29] <jeanluc> wow
[04:29] <jeanluc> tux it fast
[04:29] <jeanluc> :p
[04:30] <chris12349> speaking of games if you are looking for a good strategy game checkout "Battle for Wesnoth"
[04:30] <othernoob> and a good adventure would be Beneath A Steel Sky
[04:30] <chris12349> and I've wasted hours with frozen bubble...thats kind of embarrasing
[04:31] <othernoob> it is
[04:31] <chris12349> ;)
[04:33] <jeanluc> man
[04:33] <jeanluc> I love linux
[04:33] <jeanluc> :)
[04:33] <seth_k> LOL
[04:34] <seth_k> weren't you in here earlier cursing out Linux?
[04:34] <jeanluc> seth_k is back
[04:34] <jeanluc> ya
[04:40] <gennio> I need to install kvirc 3.2
[04:40] <gennio> please help me!
[04:42] <jeanluc> use
[04:42] <jeanluc> konversation
[04:42] <chris12349> see you all later have a good night
[04:43] <gennio> I need to install kvirc 3.x
[04:43] <gennio> ??
[04:43] <kinfo> what?
[04:43] <gennio> somebody helps me
[04:44] <gennio> I need install kvirc 3.x
[05:01] <spermie_411> What am i doing wrong? bash: sudo/etc/init.d/sshd: No such file or directory
[05:01] <spermie_411> theres really a space after sudo
[05:03] <spermie_411> ?
[05:04] <PenguinBoy> yes
[05:04] <PenguinBoy> space needed
[05:05] <spermie_411> sudo /etc/init.d/sshd start
[05:05] <spermie_411> sudo: /etc/init.d/sshd: command not found
[05:05] <spermie_411> says it even with the space there =?
[05:05] <PenguinBoy> mmm
[05:06] <jeanluc> Hi all
[05:06] <PenguinBoy> bonjour jeanluc
[05:07] <supernix>  I am back
[05:07] <jeanluc> lol
[05:07] <jeanluc> no french
[05:10] <supernix> anyone tried Koffice 1.4 ?
[05:28] <spermie_411> where do i got to get a weather station for my town on k weather?
[05:39] <jeanluc> chris
[05:39] <jeanluc> do you know the cmd
[05:39] <chris12349> eh?
[05:39] <jeanluc> for updating
[05:39] <jeanluc> the source.list thing?
[05:39] <chris12349> sudo apt-get update
[05:39] <jeanluc> ok
[05:39] <jeanluc> well
[05:40] <jeanluc> I think im going to re-install
[05:40] <jeanluc> kubuntu
[05:40] <jeanluc> cuz I screwed some sstuff up with it
[05:40] <jeanluc> so I will brb in 30 minutes
[05:40] <jeanluc> ttyl
[05:40] <chris12349> bye
[05:40] <chris12349> good luck
[05:40] <jeanluc> bye
[05:41] <crimsun> sounds drastic
[05:41] <chris12349> very
[05:41] <crimsun> personally, I can't be bothered to reinstall everyday, so I just use a live cd and get the same thing!
[05:42] <chris12349> nice I've been thinking of doing that with a webserver
[05:49] <supernix> hey has anyone tried koffice 1.4 yet ?
[06:08] <spermie_411> for real tho, can someone gimmie that web address for k weather , so i can get my station i need because it wont let me type it in for some reason
[06:08] <crimsun> use Google to find your station's code
[06:10] <spermie_411> i got the station it just wont let me type it in
[06:49] <spermie_411> is there any way I can make the boot up quicker on kubuntu , and make the letters littler because there huge????
[07:34] <Jeezis> is anyone else getting md5sum errors and such from the us archives?
[07:34] <Jeezis> i can use the ca archives fine, but they don't have some of the packages i need
[07:35] <crimsun> Jeezis: yes, us.archive has a known problem
[07:36] <Jeezis> is there another archive i should add to my sources.list so i can download any package that the us.archive has?
[07:36] <crimsun> nope
[07:36] <Jeezis> arg >_<
[07:36] <Jeezis> so i'm screwed until it's fixed eh?
[07:38] <othernoob> crimsun: aren't all archives the same?
[07:38] <crimsun> yes
[07:38] <othernoob> so he could use another archive
[07:38] <othernoob> right?
[07:39] <crimsun> that's what he's doing with ca.archive
[07:39] <crimsun> he could try uk.archive or se.archive or de.archive or fi.archive or ...
[07:39] <othernoob> yea but he said the ca archive doesn't have some things
[07:39] <crimsun> the ca mirror is identical to archive
[07:40] <crimsun> all are
[07:40] <crimsun> he should inspect his sources.list for discrepancies
[07:40] <supernix> I can't get Kmail to retrieve emails from the local server anyone know the fix ?
[07:40] <othernoob> i see. it just confused me that he said he can't get the same files from an identical archive
[07:43] <pieman> im having trouble with apt-get install xchat and gaim
[07:43] <pieman> i keep on getting this error
[07:43] <pieman> -0ubuntu2_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[07:43] <pieman> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[07:44] <Jeezis> pieman: it's a problem with the us.archive
[07:44] <pieman> oh
[07:44] <pieman> how do i fix it?
[07:45] <crimsun> use a different mirror
[07:45] <crimsun> uk.archive, se.archive, de.archive, fi.archive, ...
[07:45] <pieman> how
[07:45] <Jeezis> well, you'll have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:45] <pieman> ok
[07:45] <pieman> do i delete the sources i have in there and put new ones in?
[07:46] <Jeezis> just change the letters "us"  to "ca" or "uk" or whatever in the address
[07:46] <pieman> ok
[07:46] <pieman> what would be the best ones to use?
[07:46] <pieman> ca? uk?
[07:46] <Jeezis> i'm using ca, apparently they're all the same
[07:46] <Jeezis> so it wouldn't matter which one
[07:47] <pieman> ok
[07:47] <pieman> thank you
[07:47] <Jeezis> no problem, i had the same problem as of late
[07:49] <pieman> hmm
[07:49] <pieman> sources.list right
[07:50] <crimsun> yes, /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:51] <pieman> then after that do apt-get update?
[07:51] <othernoob> yes
[07:51] <crimsun> yep
[07:51] <Jeezis> are there also problems with connections being refused to download.ubuntuforums.org?
[07:52] <pieman> thank you it works now
[07:52] <Jeezis> trying to download that really nice setup script 
[07:54] <Jeezis> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[07:54] <Jeezis> i try to wget it and it keeps saying the connection was refused
[07:55] <Jeezis> is there another place to download the script by chance?
[07:56] <aseigo> Jeezis: have you tried google?
[07:56] <Jeezis> good call :-p
[07:59] <Jeezis> success! :-p
[08:02] <Jeezis> arg, there was an error in apt-get update
[08:02] <ValheruLord> where can i browse ubuntu repo from net
[08:04] <crimsun> ValheruLord: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[08:04] <crimsun> ValheruLord: or if you prefer direct links, use http://archive.ubuntu.com
[08:07] <_pieman> hi
[08:07] <Jeezis> i shan't sleep until i get this script to work!
[08:07] <_pieman> i wanna update to kde 3.4.1 but i dont no where to put this source deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu hoary-updates main
[08:07] <_pieman> do i put that any where in the source list?
[08:10] <othernoob> i'd assume that you pick a mirror..
[08:15] <Jeezis> ...why in the hell would this ubuntusetup script delete my /etc/apt/sources.list file every time i try to run it?
[08:18] <Jeezis> oh well, synaptic seems to be working just fine now, kubuntu is so finnicky sometimes :-p
[09:17] <verden01> hi
[09:40] <alpha> i installed normal ubuntu is then installed kde is there a difference with kubuntu?
[09:41] <OculusAquilae> hi
[10:46] <paines> hi
[10:50] <mikl> err, if I upgrade my KDE to the latest versions on breezy, I loose kcontrol :(
[10:51] <mikl> Is there a replacement, or something?
[10:52] <alpha> me thinks this channel isdead
[10:55] <uniq> mikl: kde-systemsettings will replace it.
[10:55] <mikl> ah :)
[10:56] <nxv_> what do i have to do to enable postgres sql support in apache2/php??
[10:56] <nxv_> do i need aditional packages?
[10:56] <uniq> yes, install libapache2-mod-auth-pgsql
[10:57] <nxv_> uniq: even if i don't want to use it in any way for authentication?
[10:57] <uniq> how do you want to use it? 
[10:57] <uniq> just for php-things? 
[10:57] <uniq> then, install php4-pgsql
[10:57] <nxv_> uniq: open an psql db an read write to it
[10:58] <uniq> that is php4-pgsql.
[10:58] <uniq> i take it you already have php support in apache? 
[11:00] <nxv_> uniq: i thought i had already installed the package and only searched where to insert it in the config files, my mistake sorry
[11:00] <uniq> don't think you'll have to do anything with the config files.
[11:00] <uniq> just restart apache.
[11:04] <SixOfThirteen> who's the dude responsible for the libqt3 shmosel in breezy?
[11:04] <nxv_> uniq: you're right, i don't have to add it in the php ini. may be an apache2 benefit, haven't used apache since apache2 appeared
[11:05] <uniq> sixofthirteen: shmosel?
[11:10] <SixOfThirteen> yeah, google isn't sure how it's spelt either... but there is 97 hits for that spelling
[11:12] <uniq> what is the problem then? 
[11:15] <SixOfThirteen> root@pinocchio:~ # apt-get install kdelibs4c2 kdelibs-bin libqt3-mt libqt3c102-mt libarts1c2
[11:15] <SixOfThirteen> Reading package lists... Done
[11:15] <SixOfThirteen> Building dependency tree... Done
[11:15] <SixOfThirteen> kdelibs-bin is already the newest version.
[11:15] <SixOfThirteen> libqt3c102-mt is already the newest version.
[12:33] <IceDC571> whats all the breezy hype for?
[12:34] <mikl> Well, it is the next version of (k)ubuntu :)
[12:35] <hussam> is it actually to upgrade to breezy? are there dependency issues?
[12:35] <mikl> hussam: yes, lots - I have spend a lot of time trying to sort it out :)
[12:38] <Jeezis> i just got hoary kubuntu all straightened out :-p i'm using the uk.archive because apparently the us.archive is messed up
[12:38] <Jeezis> but now everything is peachy
[12:39] <IceDC571> Jeezis: the us archive is messed up? how?
[12:41] <nxv_> how do i create a user for postgresql? i tried create user in psql. i did createuser -P from the shell as postgres and added a user to the system with adduser as root but still cant connect to my database. always get: psql: FATAL:  IDENT authentication failed for user 
[12:41] <Mez> Riddell, ping
[12:42] <IceDC571> is the us repositories really messed up?
[12:43] <Jeezis> md5sum errors left and right IceDC571 
[12:43] <Jeezis> at least for me
[12:43] <nikkia> nxv, only the 'postgres' user can create users initially
[12:43] <IceDC571> Jeezis: i thought i was the only one!! damn
[12:43] <nikkia> nxv, use sudo -u postgres psql
[12:43] <IceDC571> Jeezis: so whats the address for the uk reps?
[12:44] <Jeezis> IceDC571: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and in the addresses replace 'us' with 'uk'
[12:44] <hussam> mikl: but as breezy approaches final, upgrading will be possible, right?
[12:44] <nikkia> nvx, or better still sudo -u postgres createuser
[12:44] <IceDC571> Jeezis: alright thanks!
[12:44] <Jeezis> IceDC571: then do an apt-get update
[12:44] <mikl> hussam: upgrading will always be possible
[12:44] <IceDC571> nikkia: do you have a cat?
[12:44] <nikkia> IceDC571: erm, not anymore, why?
[12:45] <Jeezis> IceDC571: no problem man, glad i could finally help someone else :-p
[12:45] <hussam> mikl: i'
[12:45] <hussam> mikl: i'll try again
[12:45] <IceDC571> just wondering
[12:46] <IceDC571> i think im starting to love kde now
[12:47] <nikkia> ice, had to leave mine with a relative in the US when i moved from the US->UK
[12:47] <nikkia> fairer than subjecting her to 6 months in quarentine
[12:47] <IceDC571> does konqueror have any embedded media support.. like viewing videos on webpages?
[12:47] <IceDC571> nikkia: ahh, i see. can i ask why you moved to the uk?
[12:48] <Jeezis> IceDC571: kde>gnome
[12:48] <nikkia> ice, i'm british by birth, moved to the US, but then my immigration status got all messed up, and was broke, needed to get a job, and so had to come back to the UK where i could legally work
[12:48] <Jeezis> *kde>all :-p
[12:49] <Jeezis> ok gotta go
[12:50] <IceDC571> nikki, wow, what a lifestyle. i'm glad you finally get to be in the uk after all thats happened
[12:50] <IceDC571> i'm new to kde, are there any media "plugins" for konqueror?
[12:51] <AXEPT> yes libdvdcss2   and w32codecs
[12:52] <mikl> IceDC571: what kind of media-plugins?
[12:52] <AXEPT> just tipe it after sudo apt-get install
[12:52] <mikl> AXEPT: did you even bother to read the question?
[12:52] <IceDC571> mikl: like how totem could be a player in mozilla browsers.. i want to know if theres a movie plugin for konqueror
[12:53] <mikl> IceDC571: I think you can have kplayer or kaffeine do that for you
[12:54] <IceDC571> alright, well i should be going. i have to install an ubuntu server
[12:54] <AXEPT> sorry that s for kaffeine
[12:54] <IceDC571> i'll be back thanks everyone
[12:55] <AXEPT> mikl are you there
[12:56] <mikl> AXEPT: yes?
[12:56] <AXEPT> do you know if there s a chance to make a partition just for home
[12:57] <mikl> yes, I do that myself :)
[12:57] <AXEPT> how
[12:58] <AXEPT> can we choose it in the begginnin of instalation
[12:59] <mikl> I don't know whether that's posible - I did it after I finished the installation
[01:00] <AXEPT> is there any tutorial on wiki for it?
[01:19] <hussam> mikl: did you upgrade to breezy?
[01:19] <mikl> hussam: I'm doing that right now
[01:19] <hussam> mikl: there are no restricted modules for breezy, yet right?
[01:19] <mikl> hussam: no, it doesn't seem to
[01:20] <mikl> I didn't upgrade my kernel ;)
[01:20] <hussam> mikl: I'll upgrade to breezy once they make restricted modules for breezy. 
[01:21] <hussam> mikl: are you upgrading xorg as well?
[01:21] <mikl> hussam: yes
[01:32] <ChuffyKow> hey guys, is this a proper forum to ask about a missing wireless interface?
[01:52] <Maneiten> Hi. What's the easiest way to install java (runtime) in kubuntu?
[01:52] <apokryphos> Maneiten: sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[01:54] <Maneiten> Will that automagicaly make java work in browsers (firefox)?
[01:56] <apokryphos> Maneiten: with restarting firefox, yeah.
[01:56] <Maneiten> allright, thanks :9
[01:56] <hussam> Maneiten: no you have to make a synlink to get it to work in firefox
[01:56] <hussam> I guess
[01:57] <Maneiten> who's right here? :P
[01:57] <apokryphos> hussam: not the case with this package
[01:57] <apokryphos> (I'm 90% sure)
[01:57] <hussam> apokryphos: Ok I got that.
[01:58] <hussam> apokryphos: maybe the symlink is automatically made in this package.
[01:58] <Maneiten> It worked. :)
[01:58] <apokryphos> Most probably
[01:58] <apokryphos> cool
[01:58] <hussam> mikl: how did the upgrade work?
[01:59] <mikl> hussam: it looks promising so far
[02:01] <hussam> mikl: cool, did you have to reconfigure x or edit xorg or something like that?
[02:01] <qbit> I'm still stuck on dial up and was wondering how big download-wise updating from hoary to breezy is?
[02:01] <mikl> hussam: yes, the fonts have been moved, so I had to change their location in the config-file
[02:01] <qbit> is it "huge"?
[02:02] <hussam> qbit: depends, mine would be 700MB, but I'm on a slow conenction as well.
[02:02] <qbit> thanks
[02:03] <apokryphos> Yeah, around 400+ megs
[02:03] <apokryphos> Shouldnt' really upgrade to breezy yet though..
[02:03] <qbit> i needed to know if it could be done in a one night d/l
[02:03] <apokryphos> definitely not
[02:03] <qbit> for when the time comes around....
[02:03] <apokryphos> (with dial up)
[02:04] <hussam> qbit: it would take 50 hours or so , do it on a weekend
[02:04] <hussam> qbit: that's what I'm planning on doing.
[02:04] <qbit> that's just it - I can't keep the phone tied up during the day
[02:04] <qbit> gotta get broadband one of these days  :-)
[02:05] <apokryphos> (ok, a long one)
[02:05] <hussam> qbit: you don't have to do it at once.
[02:05] <qbit> cool
[02:05] <hussam> qbit: you can do it gradually, 
[02:05] <qbit> you mean it can be paused and resumed later - very cool
[02:06] <qbit> or just pieces at a time - I can usually get 120 - 160 MB a night
[02:06] <hussam> apt-get even supports resuming if I'm not wrong, anybody?
[02:06] <apokryphos> 'course. They're stored in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[02:06] <[ubu-e] rathma> hi all
[02:06] <OculusAquilae> hi
[02:06] <hussam> qbit: how much rate do you get per hour?
[02:06] <apokryphos> You'll want to do the actual *installation* part in one go, though
[02:07] <qbit> it varies from about 12 to 16 depending on how the ISP is feeling
[02:07] <hussam> qbit: same here, at night it gets faster 16 to 19, but during the day it is slower.
[02:08] <apokryphos> It's worth noting though, that during development periods, packages will change daily
[02:09] <qbit> yes - I'm not interested in anything but release to release
[02:09] <apokryphos> Ok, cool.
[02:09] <hussam> apokryphos: then I should probably wait till september?
[02:10] <qbit> with FreeBSD it takes on average an hour and a half to update all the system source from release to release
[02:10] <apokryphos> hussam: if you have a modem... pretty much, yeah.
[02:10] <apokryphos> Or better you can just get one of the arrays and upgrade from that
[02:10] <apokryphos> (the CDs)
[02:11] <hussam> apokryphos: the milestone cds, how often are they released?
[02:12] <apokryphos> hussam: this is how it happened last time: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[02:12] <apokryphos> Once the first one is out, around every month after that...
[02:16] <hussam> i have a question. I still only have 27GB of space left on my hard disk, is there any way to move the installation to a bigger drive? 
[02:16] <qbit> lol
[02:16] <hussam> I have ubuntu installed on hdb
[02:16] <hussam> hdb1
[02:17] <OculusAquilae> and where are the 27GB?
[02:17] <hussam> 27gb left on hdb1
[02:18] <OculusAquilae> and where do you have more space?
[02:18] <OculusAquilae> and hda?
[02:18] <hussam> I might get a bigger hard disk.
[02:18] <OculusAquilae> and the old hd is going out of the pc?
[02:19] <hussam> hda has windows xp oem ( it came with the computer ). I attached a hdb and installed kubuntu
[02:19] <OculusAquilae> in general it must be possible to copy the content, but a reinstall could be simplier
[02:20] <OculusAquilae> or did you much on the installation?
[02:21] <OculusAquilae> i mean exept the home folder
[02:21] <OculusAquilae> installing software usw.
[02:22] <hussam> at the moment I have a lot of stuff installed, including a lot of dev packages.
[02:22] <OculusAquilae> i think you can simply copy the files but 27GB are a lot
[02:23] <OculusAquilae> and you must change /etc/fstab
[02:23] <OculusAquilae> and /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:23] <qbit> i use partimage to backup an image of my hdb1
[02:23] <OculusAquilae> but i never tried it 
[02:23] <OculusAquilae> yes making an image is also a good idea
[02:23] <qbit> but that wouldn't cover the swap or the fdisk you would need to move it somewhere else
[02:24] <hussam> OculusAquilae: at this time , 27GB is plenty, but it might fill out in the future,
[02:24] <qbit> you could do a fresh install to get the extended part with the swap and then just reimage overtop
[02:24] <OculusAquilae> in the future there will come breezy and you can make a reinstall :-)
[02:24] <qbit> or just fdisk out the new disk manually
[02:25] <hussam> I have the current swap - 2800MB.
[02:25] <qbit> I've only got about 2.2GB and it takes 6 minutes to image
[02:25] <OculusAquilae> hussam so much swap, how much ram do you have
[02:25] <hussam> only 384MB
[02:25] <hussam> lol
[02:25] <insanekane> hussam: 8GB RAM ?
[02:25] <insanekane> oh right :P
[02:26] <OculusAquilae> 800 MB is enougt with 384 MB RAM
[02:26] <OculusAquilae> or 400
[02:26] <qbit> once you get to a gig or so swap becomes less of an issue
[02:26] <insanekane> OculusAquilae: didn't you ask some question on the kubuntu-devel mailing list ?
[02:26] <hussam> OculusAquilae: powered by 1.3 ghz (slower than a turtle ) Celeron 256k cache cpu.
[02:27] <OculusAquilae> insanekane: yes
[02:27] <insanekane> OculusAquilae: what was it ?
[02:28] <OculusAquilae> insanekane: It was about helping the kubuntu project
[02:28] <insanekane> OculusAquilae: was it about python ?
[02:28] <OculusAquilae> not directly a question
[02:28] <insanekane> OculusAquilae: yes ... helping kubuntu using python ?
[02:29] <OculusAquilae> insanekane: hm, python, i haven't learned it yet
[02:29] <insanekane> oh .. so then it wasnt you
[02:29] <OculusAquilae> but it is interesting
[02:29] <buz> do what with python
[02:29] <insanekane> oh sorry ..
[02:29] <insanekane> you said you know C++ not python ... my mistake
[02:30] <OculusAquilae> right
[02:30] <insanekane> buz: write some nice user-helper-agents :)
[02:31] <insanekane> i wrote one in Python ... to rename the items in media:// (instead of the ugly stuff now there). just wondering which package (if any) to contribute it
[02:32] <OculusAquilae> is there anyone doing something like the gnome-app-installer for kde?
[02:32] <Mez> whats the best way to work with DVDRams in kubuntu
[02:32] <Mez> k3b?
[02:32] <insanekane> OculusAquilae: you mean like a better verision of kynaptic ?
[02:32] <insanekane> Mez: probably
[02:33] <mikl> libqt4-gui depends on libqt4-qt3support (>= 4.0.0); libqt4-qt3support depends on libqt4-gui (>= 4.0.0);
[02:33] <OculusAquilae> no, a tool for, lets say beginners
[02:33] <mikl> how intriguing
[02:33] <insanekane> OculusAquilae: i intended to do that ... but, got stuck
[02:33] <insanekane> mikl: :)
[02:34] <qbit> a cyclical dependency - ineteresting  :-)
[02:36] <mikl> yes, very curious
[02:37] <nikkia> mez
[02:38] <nikkia> mez, DVD-Ram appears to the system as a regular hard drive, there is no need to use any burning app, just mkfs the drive with a writable fs and mount it
[02:39] <Mez> nikkia, except that my comp auto-sees it as ro :D cause it's a CD drive :D
[02:39] <nikkia> mez, are you sure its not because you have a UDF formatted disk?
[02:39] <Mez> I probably do :D
[02:39] <Mez> lol
[02:39] <Mez> It was formatted with nero before
[02:40] <nikkia> i've used DVD-Ram on linux, and i always formatted the disks as ext3 with mkfs, then just mounted it, and it was rw
[02:40] <Mez> lol
[02:40] <insanekane> Mez: how many times can you fully overwrite a DVD RAM ?
[02:40] <nikkia> UDF on linux is sketchy (its sketchy on windows, tbh, needs special drivers which are usually buggy)
[02:40] <Mez> insanekane, no idea /me reads pacakaging
[02:40] <nikkia> insanekane: gen 1 disks around 500k times, gen 2 disks more than that
[02:40] <insanekane> 500k wow :)
[02:41] <insanekane> thats 500 times more than a CDRW
[02:41] <nikkia> or perhaps its 50k? it doesn't matter much, its a lot, more than you'll likely ever need
[02:41] <Mez> nikkia, how can i tell whether its a gfen 1 or a gen 2 disk?
[02:41] <nikkia> mez, if its type 1 or 2 its gen1, if its type 3 or 4 its gen2
[02:41] <Mez> how can i tell what type though
[02:41] <Mez> lol
[02:42] <nikkia> mez, look on the disk, it should say 'DVD-RAM Type II' or something
[02:42] <nikkia> failing that, is the disk in a cartridge? is the cartridge openable?
[02:42] <Mez> nikkia, no it just looks like a normal DVD with different pattern on abck side
[02:42] <Mez> It says
[02:43] <Mez> RW Disc Version 2.1/3x Speed DVD RAM Revision 1.0
[02:43] <nikkia> what is the capacity ?
[02:43] <Mez> 4.7Gb
[02:43] <nikkia> single sided?
[02:43] <nikkia> gen 2
[02:44] <nikkia> gen 1 disks max at 2.6GB/side
[02:44] <Mez> single sided
[02:44] <Mez> DVD RAM 4.7 Gc single Sided Rewriteable
[02:46] <nikkia> mez, there is one issue i found i didn't like about dvd-ram...
[02:46] <Mez> which is?
[02:47] <nikkia> the way linux caches disk writes, and then drops them to disk every 30 seconds, makes copying big files to the disk absolutely cripple your system
[02:47] <Mez> lol
[02:47] <Mez> then use a non journalling system :F
[02:47] <nikkia> you can mount the disk as synchronous, which means when a byte is written, it is written rather than cached, but that often makes things 'far too slow' to copy
[02:47] <nikkia> mez, its not about the journal
[02:47] <insanekane> maybe its a feature of the dvd ram driver ?
[02:48] <nikkia> insane, no, its a limitation of the linux fs methodology
[02:48] <insanekane> oh right
[02:48] <nikkia> insanekane: if you copy 300MB to the disk, it'll fill almost all of the cache buffers, then after 30 seconds 'sync' happens, and locks the fs code until the sync ends, which will take about 20 minutes
[02:48] <insanekane> nikkia: is it being revamped ?
[02:48] <nikkia> insanekane: not afaik
[02:48] <insanekane> oh that sucks
[02:49] <nikkia> insanekane: the workaround i used, was to patch cp and mv, so that they accepted a '--cachesize=' parameter
[02:49] <insanekane> how come they havent changed it ?
[02:49] <Mez> nikkia - I'm assuming that's to DVD only... it doesnt work like that on hDD right?
[02:49] <insanekane> what would that do ?
[02:49] <nikkia> so i would do cp --cachesize=4MB some_big_file.avi /mnt/dvd-ram
[02:49] <nikkia> then, it would force that fs to sync after every 4MB, which only takes a few seconds to write
[02:50] <nikkia> erm, --cachesize=4M that is
[02:50] <nikkia> i stole the 'human readable numbers' code from dd :)
[02:50] <insanekane> hmm
[02:50] <Mez> oh no
[02:50] <Mez> I need a tgz cause of like..
[02:50] <nikkia> i experimented a little, and found that 2-4MB was generally the best tradeoff between speed and system performance
[02:50] <Mez> poopy stuff
[02:51] <Mez> root files etc
[02:51] <nikkia> (copying with the fs mounted 'sync' would take 13-16 hours to fill the disk)
[02:51] <insanekane> nikkia: but this problem ... it kills the general purpose desktop :)
[02:51] <cafuego> !ops
[02:51] <apokryphos> all the main ones are out at the moment, but I'm sure it'll be alright
[02:52] <cafuego> apokryphos: I'll ask 'em first regardless.
[02:52] <nikkia> insanekane: i contemplated modifying the fs 'sync' option so that IT would limit cache size for each filesystem, but it isn't an easy job
[02:52] <cafuego> apokryphos: Don't want no +q or +b on the bot.
[02:52] <apokryphos> cafuego: Ok, cool. Riddell, amu, or haggai you could ask
[02:52] <nikkia> insanekane: adding a feature to the fs backend that takes '-o sync=4M' to mount would be really useful
[02:53] <nikkia> insanekane: it'd help out with some network shares too
[02:53] <apokryphos> sure
[02:53] <insanekane> nikkia: dont the linux devels know about this problem ?
[02:53] <nikkia> insanekane: very few people use random access optical media, i doubt its a major issue for many people
[02:53] <cafuego> apokryphos: I'll idle here until they show up (and I'm awake) then I'll ask.
[02:53] <nikkia> insanekane: i haven't tested to see how linux handles +RW disks formatted ext2/3 yet tho
[02:54] <apokryphos> cafuego: Alrighty, sounds good.
[02:54] <insanekane> nikkia: but you said this problem affects hard-disk-to-hard-disk copy also ...
[02:54] <nikkia> insanekane: not to a noticable degree
[02:54] <insanekane> oh right :P
[02:54] <apokryphos> cafuego: I used to have my bot in here, but admittedly he wasn't nearly as comprehensive as ubotu.
[02:54] <apokryphos> cafuego: he a certain type of bot?
[02:55] <nikkia> insanekane: in the case of copying between 2 HDs, the speed is high enough that cache flushing isn't a problem really, unless you're copying REALLY big files
[02:55] <nikkia> insanekane: if you try to copy a 10GB file between drives, you'll notice it, sure
[02:55] <cafuego> apokryphos: He's a blootbot; the cvs version with a few hacks, to make it use the ubuntu Package archives.
[02:55] <insanekane> nikkia: yes, i have tried ... and it is slow
[02:55] <apokryphos> nice
[02:56] <nikkia> insanekane: the difference is, because DVD-RAM is so slow, your system becomes unresponsive for dozens of minutes to fill a whole disk
[02:56] <cafuego> apokryphos: buggy POS, actually ;-)
[02:56] <hussam> why does dh -b give me wrong values
[02:56] <hussam> any one knows?
[02:56] <cafuego> apokryphos: Had to add in a bunch of debug code to make it not drop the mysql connection a few times a day
[02:56] <apokryphos> Hehe. Indeed. The slowest and most bloated bot in the world
[02:57] <cafuego> bloatbot?
[02:57] <insanekane> nikkia: yeah i get it
[02:57] <nikkia> hussam, dh?
[02:57] <nikkia> hussam: do you mean du ?
[02:57] <apokryphos> cafuego: their personal description ;-)
[02:57] <hussam> sorry df -h
[02:57] <nikkia> hussam: what is 'wrong' about it?
[02:57] <apokryphos> ( http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ )
[02:58] <cafuego> apokryphos: Ubotu is faster then the other bunch that run on #debian anyway :-)
[02:58] <nikkia> hussam, are you referring to the 1024 vs 1000 issue (df -H uses SI units, ie, similar to drive manufacturers), or are you referring to the missing 10% 'free' on each drive
[02:58] <hussam>  df -h says i have 2 GB more disk space than I actually have
[02:58] <apokryphos> Really? They sure do love their bots 8)
[02:58] <cafuego> Mind you, dpkg runs on some celeron box
[02:58] <apokryphos> :|
[02:58] <cafuego> ubotu is a proper athlon with a GB of ram :-)
[02:59] <apokryphos> sweet
[02:59] <nikkia> hussam, can you paste an example of what you mean to a pastebin ?
[03:00] <hussam> nikkia: I have 27.0GB of empty space according to konqueror but df -h says 29GB
[03:00] <apokryphos> cafuego: is there a way to list currently the things he "knows" (i.e. packages is at http://askfdj)
[03:00] <insanekane> hussam: round off errors ?
[03:00] <cafuego> apokryphos: http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/ has a 20-per-page listing
[03:01] <apokryphos> Nice
[03:01] <apokryphos> excellent description of ubuguide, if a little harsh :P
[03:01] <hussam> insanekane: no because konq says 16% used but df says 11% used
[03:02] <insanekane> oh right
[03:04] <nikkia> hussam, konqueror's disk meta-info is broken, severely
[03:04] <nikkia> from one of my drives, in konq:    Free: 2.5GB   Total: 112.7GB   Used: 104.4GB   Usage: 19%
[03:05] <nikkia> hussam, take df's word over konqueror's on this :)
[03:08] <jeanluc> HI every one I have a question
[03:08] <jeanluc> is anyone hear?
[03:08] <jeanluc> here*
[03:08] <jeanluc> well can some one tell me who to update my sources.list?
[03:09] <jjesse> update your sources for?
[03:09] <jeanluc> well
[03:09] <jeanluc> I had to re-install kubuntu
[03:09] <jeanluc> and before I had to update a sources.list file
[03:09] <jeanluc> so I could dload stuff in kynaptic
[03:10] <jjesse> ok then from the run command type kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:10] <jjesse> put in your password and conenct
[03:10] <jeanluc> ok
[03:11] <apokryphos> jeanluc: same as yesterday... sudo cd /etc/apt ; sudo mv sources.list sources1.list ; sudo wget http://giannaros.org/sources.list
[03:11] <apokryphos> then sudo apt-get update
[03:11] <apokryphos> that guide again..... http://kudos.berlios.de
[03:13] <jeanluc> ok ty aporky
[03:13] <jeanluc> and I emailed it to me incase I have to reformat again.
[03:17] <Riddell> Mez: pong
[03:17] <jeanluc> youz: ping
[03:18] <jeanluc> after getting the update do I have to restart?
[03:19] <jeanluc> nvm
[03:22] <apokryphos> cafuego: Riddell says it's ok ;-)
[03:22] <jeanluc> hey
[03:22] <jeanluc> I'm still getting 
[03:23] <jeanluc> the some packages could not be recived from server error
[03:23] <jeanluc> in kynaptic
[03:24] <cafuego> Riddell: Is that true?
[03:24] <Riddell> cafuego: so long as nobody gets annoyed
[03:24] <Tm_T> hullo
[03:25] <cafuego> Riddell: Kay, if they do, make them /msg me :-)
[03:26] <cafuego> !test
[03:27] <ubotu> Working....
[03:27] <apokryphos> ubotu: hi
[03:27] <cafuego> enjoy ;-)
[03:27] <ubotu> hello
[03:27] <apokryphos> :P
[03:27] <jeanluc> aporkyphos
[03:27] <jeanluc> can you help me
[03:27] <apokryphos> jeanluc: what's the problem?
[03:27] <jeanluc> same thing can't get the packages in kynaptic
[03:27] <jeanluc> even after I did those cmds and they all worked
[03:27] <apokryphos> jeanluc: did you get any errors in the process described above?
[03:27] <apokryphos> ok, what package?
[03:28] <jeanluc> im trying to get firefox
[03:28] <jeanluc> in kynaptic but
[03:28] <jeanluc> when I do it says
[03:28] <jeanluc> uh oh
[03:28] <jeanluc> can you connect to my pc?
[03:28] <jeanluc> cuz now im seeing stuff i have never seen
[03:29] <apokryphos> can you pastebin it?
[03:29] <jeanluc> whats paste pin?
[03:29] <apokryphos> www.pastebin.com
[03:29] <jeanluc> idk what that is
[04:01] <Tm_T> I'm stupid
[04:04] <nikkia> tm_t, that's good to know :P
[04:05] <Tm_T> nikkia: no shit =)
[04:06] <nikkia> feel quite stupid myself right now
[04:06] <Tm_T> nikkia: I try to figure out how I can download sources from svn in losedows
[04:06] <nikkia> just got a conversion between euros and chips wrong, and watched as my 'jackpot 240' machine paid out 10,000
[04:07] <Tm_T> :p
[04:14] <jpatrick> my installation says that it can't install the kernel :(
[04:14] <jpatrick> what should I do?
[04:17] <jpatrick> anyone?
[04:19] <jpatrick> I'll just download another iso file then
[04:29] <BockBilbo> hello
[04:29] <jpatrick> hi
[04:29] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me where are the icon files of kde in kubuntu?
[04:29] <BockBilbo> i cant find them in /usr/share/pixmaps
[04:29] <jpatrick> why?
[04:30] <BockBilbo> sorry, not explained correctly
[04:30] <BockBilbo> i have some in there
[04:30] <BockBilbo> but some others are missing
[04:30] <nikkia> did you look in the many directories under /usr/share/icons ?
[04:30] <BockBilbo> nope
[04:30] <BockBilbo> let me see
[04:31] <nikkia> one or two under there:   nikki@nikki:/usr/share/icons$ find . -type f | wc -l            13697    :)
[04:33] <BockBilbo> there are some there, ys
[04:34] <BockBilbo> im finding the one for kfloppy
[04:34] <nikkia> try 'locate kfloppy.png'
[04:34] <BockBilbo> :S need to update the db
[04:34] <BockBilbo> hold on
[04:35] <nikkia> hmmm, the 'kids' iconset looks cute
[04:36] <jeanluc> hey
[04:36] <jeanluc> can some  one help me
[04:36] <jeanluc> I accidently removed the task bar
[04:36] <jeanluc> how do I get it back
[04:37] <BockBilbo> found them
[04:37] <BockBilbo> /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/128x128/apps
[04:37] <nikkia> jeanluc: right click on the panel, select 'add to panel' 'applets' 'taskbar'
[04:37] <jpatrick> right the desktop click configure
[04:37] <jpowers> jeanluc: right click kicker and Add to panel > Applets > Taskbar
[04:37] <jpowers> oh
[04:37] <jpowers> ha
[04:37] <jpatrick> and that too
[04:37] <jeanluc> thank ou
[04:37] <jeanluc> you*
[04:38] <nikkia> thank god for beep, i'd go insane if i couldn't listen to this song at least 3 times an hour
[04:39] <jpowers> haha
[04:39] <jpatrick> can't install kernel
[04:39] <nikkia> jpatrick: obviously something's broken there
[04:40] <jpatrick> I installed it yesterday from the same CD
[04:40] <nikkia> jpatrick, maybe you chose the wrong option somewhere, like which disk to install to
[04:41] <jpatrick> the C which had a ext3 partition
[04:41] <jpatrick> 2.5GBs
[04:41] <Tm_T> oh yes \o/
[04:41] <Tm_T> tortoisesvn saves
[04:42] <Tm_T> :o
[04:42] <jpatrick> 4 hours and 5 minutes remaining...
[04:42] <Tm_T> markku: oh, german host?
[04:43] <jpatrick> If this doesn't work I'll download ubuntu and install KDE later
[04:45] <supernix>  crap just got finished downloading a 7mb file only to find out I don't have support for rar files
[04:45] <apokryphos> supernix: sudo apt-get install rar
[04:45] <supernix> I have ARK installed but it does not seem to support rar files
[04:47] <jeanluc> how do I get my  home folder to show on desk top :S
[04:47] <supernix> it spit out a message that rar was not available or something like that
[04:47] <Tm_T> offline ->
[04:47] <pax> Jul 12 07:13:19 localhost postfix/smtp[20913] : connect to gsmtp171.google.com[64.233.171.27] : Connection timed ou(port 25)
[04:47] <supernix> ty for your help apokryphos at least we tried
[04:47] <pax> wtf is that?
[04:48] <apokryphos> supernix: enable Universe and you'll be fine
[04:49] <apokryphos> !find rar
[04:49] <pax> where does postfix store info about email addresses and where to connect?
[04:49] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'rar' (11 shown): guile-library ;; libdata-hierarchy-perl ;; lush-library ;; musiclibrarian ;; partlibrary ;; rar ;; rarpd ;; sdcc-libraries ;; unrar ;; unrar-nonfree ;; xml-resume-library.
[04:49] <supernix> actually it is enabled
[04:49] <supernix> I did see something that said unrar but it wont support 3.0 and up archives
[04:50] <apokryphos> supernix: whoops, multiverse I meant
[04:50] <supernix> so unless your dealing with a very old archive I don't think it would work
[04:50] <supernix> OIC what is multiverse ?
[04:50] <apokryphos> for non-free/non-supported packages
[04:50] <jeanluc> is there a program for kubuntu that plays dvds?
[04:50] <apokryphos> supernix: add "multiverse" to the line wth "universe" in it
[04:50] <nikkia> jeanluc: xine and mplayer, among others
[04:51] <supernix> ah ok does the packages in that category mark themselves as being from the multiverse so I can tell them apart ?
[04:51] <jeanluc> ok
[04:51] <Fraeon> So, we have Hoary Hedgehog, Warty Warthog and Breezy Badger. When will we have Corny Crocodile and Potty Porcupine? :>
[04:51] <apokryphos> supernix: not really
[04:51] <apokryphos> Fraeon: all in good time ;-)
[04:52] <markku> I got the latest Kubuntu running on amilo/amd64, but cannot find the kernel-sources. can someone give me a hint?
[04:54] <jeanluc> nikkia
[04:54] <jeanluc> I get an error
[04:54] <jeanluc> when I play the dvd
[04:54] <nikkia> yeah, you probably don't have the restricted plugins/libs installed
[04:54] <apokryphos> !restricted
[04:54] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:54] <jeanluc> the source can't be read. Maybe you don't have enough rights for this or source doesn't contian data 
[04:55] <nikkia> you need to install xine from universe, iirc
[04:55] <jeanluc> how do I go about    doing that?
[04:56] <nikkia> read that url above :)
[04:59] <supernix> apokryphos: is it just me or is that unrar program not free ?
[04:59] <jeanluc> thank you
[04:59] <jeanluc> I got dvds working now :D :D
[05:00] <jeanluc> but
[05:00] <jeanluc> no sound :(
[05:00] <nikkia> jeanluc, you probably need to reconfigure xine to play sound via artsd
[05:00] <apokryphos> supernix: all software in Multiverse has not been determined to be Free Software
[05:00] <nikkia> or setup dmix if you find artsd too jittery
[05:01] <apokryphos> supernix: it's a "use it at your own risk" and "stuff not officially supported by Ubuntu". Suffice it to say, it doesn't stop me downloading stuff from there
[05:01] <supernix> have you used unrar ?
[05:01] <nikkia> jeanluc: i'd point you at a page to help you with dmix, but we're not allowed to recommend ubuntuguide anymore :P
[05:01] <apokryphos> supernix: I have before... only really used rar lately though
[05:02] <supernix> ok just wanted to check before I install I got the hang of the installs it is the uninstalls that I still don't know nothing about
[05:02] <apokryphos> amaroK wiki had good ones as I remember
[05:02] <apokryphos> http://floatingsun.net/articles/howtos/howto-alsa-dmix.html
[05:02] <apokryphos> (that too)
[05:03] <apokryphos> ubotu: dmix is at http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Setting_up_Dmix_for_ALSA
[05:03] <ubotu> okay, apokryphos
[05:05] <nikkia> apokryphos: iirc, that one doesn't work as well for OSS stuff because it lacks the mapping stanza
[05:06] <apokryphos> Quite a shame that ubuntu users and ubuntu guide should fall out like this though
[05:06] <nikkia> apokryphos: i know i've tried that dmix setup on that wiki, and had problems with it
[05:06] <supernix> what is happening to those two apokryphos ?
[05:06] <apokryphos> nikkia: oh? I only remember setting up dmix once in the past, and amaroK did it right for me
[05:07] <nikkia> apokryphos: iirc, it works fine for alsa apps and arts....
[05:07] <apokryphos> supernix: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[05:07] <apokryphos> nikkia: oh riht, you mentioned OSS, I  see.
[05:07] <nikkia> apokryphos: it just doesn't work for stuff like java, flashplayer, etc that still use OSS, and don't work too well with aoss
[05:07] <apokryphos> damn this keyboard
[05:08] <apokryphos> nikkia: know of a guide with the mapping stanza?
[05:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: well, its 'bindings' not mapping... and the amorok wiki includes it, but not as a global stanza
[05:09] <nikkia> apokryphos: the ubuntuguide one has it as a global stanza
[05:09] <nikkia> i don't know if that's WHY OSS doesn't work properly, but it seems to be the major difference between the two
[05:09] <nikkia> (although there are a million different ways to configure dmix anyway)
[05:09] <nikkia> the amarok wiki has a flaw, too, IMO
[05:10] <nikkia> it vaguely hints at locking the sample rate to 44100 (its commented out...) whereas you're better locking it to 48kHz as many sound cards don't like 44100 these days
[05:10] <apokryphos> nikkia: your chance to help them by editing ;-)
[05:10] <nikkia> all of the SBlive family force 48KHz for example
[05:10] <supernix> ok so your talking about them advising people to not visit unbuntuguid.org
[05:10] <nikkia> as do a lot of onboard AC97 solutions (SBLive is a AC97 setup anyway)
[05:10] <apokryphos> re: ubuguide.. nevermind, I guess. Time for the kubuntuguide to come shining through :P
[05:11] <apokryphos> supernix: correct. I don't think they're wrong in doing so, too. Uncompromising author there
[05:11] <supernix> looks like they would work together and ensure that their content closely matches
[05:11] <nikkia> apokryphos: the only issue i have with the 'don't tell people to read ubuntuguide' is that they CLAIM that the ubuntu wiki covers everything on guide... clearly it doesn't, as there is no dmix setup hints
[05:12] <nikkia> and dmix comes up here so often that it gets annoying
[05:12] <apokryphos> nikkia: they claim that? Of course it doesn't
[05:12] <apokryphos> kudos doesn't have it yet, too
[05:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: iirc it makes the claim, i can't remember the URL to the 'don't use ubuntuguide' page tho
[05:13] <apokryphos> Kudos author seems like a genuinely great guy. Subject to quite a lot at the moment, so it's to be expected that he won't edit for a few weeks at least
[05:14] <apokryphos> nikkia: heh, oh wait, they do
[05:14] <supernix> I have found the Kudos site very helpful and answers more questions that I had
[05:14] <apokryphos> All information on Ubuntuguide.org is present on the wiki in clearer and better form
[05:14] <nikkia> yeah, BS :P
[05:14] <apokryphos> at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[05:14] <nikkia> that's the one
[05:14] <apokryphos> I'm editing that out
[05:16] <nikkia> i will credit the amarok instructions in one sense, they mention you can save it as .asoundrc rather than /etc/asound.conf, which i find a good idea
[05:17] <apokryphos> I wonder how the guy will react if *everyone* tells people not to use it...
[05:17] <nikkia> as if you put it in /etc/asound.conf, it creates /tmp sockets for the dmix plug, and if anything goes wrong, it usually requires a reboot to re-enable dmix, whereas if its in .asoundrc, it generally resets if you log out/in
[05:17] <apokryphos> I use xine engine for amaroK these days; pretty pleased, I'd say.
[05:17] <apokryphos> aha
[05:18] <apokryphos> I see
[05:18] <nikkia> its the difference between alsa trying to use dmix system-wide, and using it per user :)
[05:18] <apokryphos> yup
[05:18] <nikkia> i just realised how obvious that statement was, sorry :)
[05:18] <apokryphos> :P
[05:18] <nikkia> its too hot!
[05:19] <apokryphos> no complaints here ;-). London is usually wet n' miserable
[05:19] <nikkia> apokryphos: still, this is nothing, they CLAIMED that july would be 40C highs
[05:19] <nikkia> we haven't had it so far, have we? but i have a nasty feeling the rest of the month is going to be hell
[05:20] <nikkia> (i'm just north of london, so you know)
[05:20] <apokryphos> A fellow Londoner? :-O
[05:20] <apokryphos> Cool. I used to live up North there. Whereabouts?
[05:20] <danie1> hi all, i have a problem
[05:20] <apokryphos> hi
[05:20] <nikkia> apokryphos: not quite, i'm within the M25 ring, part of the suburban sprawl :)
[05:20] <nikkia> apokryphos: hertfordshire, just south of harlow
[05:21] <apokryphos> nikkia: whoop, thought you said north London for a sec there. 
[05:21] <apokryphos> nikkia: not 40, not close, nope. 
[05:21] <danie1> i installed kubuntu a few days ago, then i installed xfce from the repositories, and now neither will start :(
[05:21] <nikkia> no, altho i've lived in enfield before, which is the same basic post code as here, and IS north london :)
[05:21] <apokryphos> nikkia: though I went out around 9 the other day and it was 28C.. impressive.
[05:21] <jeanluc> how do I get mp3 to work in kubuntu
[05:21] <nikkia> apokryphos: i think that's what its sposed to be today
[05:21] <jeanluc> its gay that they don't work
[05:21] <danie1> i get the error "no write access to /home/daniel/.ICE"something
[05:21] <jeanluc> they should
[05:22] <danie1> anyone know how to fix this?  or how i could have caused it?
[05:22] <nikkia> danie1: that's odd, .ICE* is supposed to be in /tmp for just this reason :)
[05:22] <danie1> what is it, anyway?
[05:22] <nikkia> danie1: its used for interprocess communication between apps
[05:23] <nikkia> dcop uses it
[05:23] <nikkia> ah, there is a .ICEauthority in your homedir
[05:23] <danie1> ah, that's it :)
[05:23] <danie1> might the different environment have changed something?
[05:23] <nikkia> danie1: you can probably safetly delete it, but you will probably need to restart X after you do
[05:23] <nikkia> danie1: its possible, yes
[05:24] <nikkia> .ICEauthority contains your magic cookies that allows apps to authenticate with X
[05:24] <danie1> kdm starts...should i do a console login, then "sudo rm /home/daniel/.ICEauthority"?
[05:24] <apokryphos> danie1: you could do it now, then log out and restart X
[05:24] <nikkia> danie1: you could do that, or you could do it in a konsole window, then hit ctrl-alt-backspace
[05:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: logging out of X might not work, since the logout program probably needs to connect to X :)
[05:25] <danie1> but i can't start kde, so i can't get konsole :P
[05:25] <nikkia> danie1: oh, do it on a console login then
[05:26] <nikkia> you might still need to restart X at the kdm screen by pressing ctrl-alt-backspace though
[05:26] <apokryphos> nikkia: heh, oh.
[05:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: magic cookie problems can be a real pain like that :)
[05:27] <danie1> when kubuntu worked, i loved it ;)
[05:30] <jeanluc> omg I want my mp3s
[05:30] <jeanluc> :( :(
[05:31] <danie1> nikkia: well, i did a console login, did a sudo rm, then a startx, and xfce started.  progress!!!
[05:32] <danie1> nikkia: if xfce has set itself as the default x server, is there a way to restart kde?  startx starts xfce, kdm does nothing, startkde needs startx first...
[05:33] <danie1> i think i''l just restart
[05:33] <nikkia> danie1: its not an X server, per se, its a desktop environment, if you use kdm to login to X, rather than starting X from the command line, then you can change login session type from xfce to kde there
[05:34] <nikkia> as to why kdm isn't starting? that could be /tmp's .ICE-unix directory or something
[05:34] <nikkia> a reboot should wipe /tmp, so it might be easier than trying to work it out :)
[05:35] <danie1> nikkia: no, after a console login, typing kdm never did anything for me...i don't think it's supposed to, is it?
[05:35] <nikkia> no
[05:35] <nikkia> kdm is supposed to be started by the system
[05:35] <nikkia> //etc/init.d/kdm restart   should restart it
[05:36] <nikkia> (just one / at the start of that line)
[05:36] <danie1> nikkia: i just rebooted, and kde works!  thank you!
[05:36] <nikkia> np
[05:37] <danie1> nikkia: every irc channel needs knowledgeable helpers :)
[05:38] <danie1> i'm usually helping out on #firefox on irc.mozilla.org...that's my specialty...but more importantly, i'm also able to help out the occasional user who only speaks spanish :P
[05:38] <nikkia> ah
[05:39] <danie1> btw, do you happen to know why xfce asks me for my password every time i hit shut down from within it?
[05:40] <nikkia> not really, i haven't really used xfce much
[05:41] <danie1> it also doesn't show all the shutdown steps like shutting down from kde does (like shutting down processes, unmounting drives, etc.)
[05:42] <apokryphos> danie1: that's because you're using KDM
[05:43] <apokryphos> GNOME wouldn't let you do that, neither, since it does it through GDM.
[05:44] <danie1> apokryphos: ah, thanks. it's not a problem, really, i was just curious (being the semi-n00b that i am ;))
[05:44] <McScruff> lo
[05:45] <nikkia> best thing about KDE IMO, is dcop
[05:45] <nikkia> although hardly anyone knows about it
[05:45] <McScruff> im using KBluetoothD but i cant connect to one of my mobiles, how do i change the  bluetooth connection code on the pc
[05:46] <apokryphos> nikkia: best? ;-) I dunno. Amazing -- yes.
[05:46] <danie1> nikkia: what is dcop?
[05:46] <apokryphos> I don't use it that much though; on the odd occassion, or when playing around with skaramba
[05:46] <McScruff> RSS utilities for KDE
[05:46] <McScruff> kdenetwork-dcoprss is a RSS to DCOP bridge, allowing all
[05:46] <McScruff> DCOP aware applications to access RSS news feeds. There is also
[05:46] <McScruff> a few sample utilities provided.
[05:46] <McScruff> RSS is a standard for publishing news headlines.
[05:46] <McScruff> DCOP is the KDE interprocess communication protocol.
[05:46] <nikkia> McScruff: its /etc/bluetooth/pin
[05:46] <McScruff> ty
[05:46] <nikkia> danie1: mcscruff's description downplays it a bit
[05:47] <nikkia> it allows you to script inter-process communication
[05:47] <danie1> hmmm...i wouldn't call an invisible feature the best feature
[05:47] <apokryphos> heh
[05:47] <McScruff> nikkia ,, my description was the one on symptec
[05:47] <McScruff> synaptic
[05:47] <nikkia> danie1: its not invisible, the dcop util can be used to send function requests to apps
[05:47] <apokryphos> I sometimes have problems finding just what I want from dcop; can't remember if kdcop solves any of those problemos
[05:48] <nikkia> danie1: it allows you to do SOME of the things that apple users can do with applescript
[05:48] <nikkia> not QUITE that powerful, but its in that direction
[05:48] <danie1> it might be the STRONGEST feature, but the best feature in kde for an end user would be the ui consistency across apps IMO
[05:48] <apokryphos> integration is a huge one, definitely
[05:48] <danie1> sounds like dcop adds consistency in the backend
[05:49] <apokryphos> correct
[05:49] <nikkia> apokryphos: as a developer, i like being able to script GUI apps :)
[05:49] <danie1> making kde totally awesome ;)
[05:49] <nikkia> as i said, its not quite as powerful as applescript/osascript is tho
[05:49] <apokryphos> Of course it's great for things like skaramba. Though skramba evilly lead me to believe that dcop couldn't handle many processes at once without driving up CPU
[05:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: that's just python being bloated :)
[05:50] <apokryphos> Yeah :P
[05:50] <nikkia> i love python, but you only need to use zope to see how bad it is :)
[05:50] <apokryphos> No bad words from me about Python. Only vaguely looked over it, but my brother echoes its praises daily 8)
[05:50] <danie1> why does kubuntu come with so many python packages by default?  are they necessary for the apps to run?
[05:51] <nikkia> danie1: because a lot of useful things are written in python
[05:51] <apokryphos> danie1: soemtimes; but Python is integral to Ubuntu itself
[05:51] <nikkia> danie1: from a developer's point of view, python is fast, easy and powerful
[05:51] <apokryphos> Mark Shut's primary interests were GNOME and Python
[05:51] <nikkia> danie1: all of my image processing utils for work are written in python+PIL
[05:51] <apokryphos> Exactly. You see its affects much quicker than C++ :P
[05:51] <danie1> nikkia: i know, but for those of us who aren't developers, it seems that they aren't necessary
[05:52] <apokryphos> danie1: for your things to work, you need a lot of that stuff ;-)
[05:52] <danie1> and for those who are developers, they're the ones who know how to install packages :)
[05:52] <nikkia> danie1: if you want to use something written by one of those developers that realises how easy it is to do stuff in python, you need it :)
[05:52] <nikkia> it IS possible to make standalone binaries from python, but its very inefficient
[05:52] <danie1> ok
[05:52] <nikkia> you effectively end up with countless copies of python on your system
[05:52] <apokryphos> nikkia: what kind of programming do you do?
[05:53] <danie1> yay, i'm learning stuff :)
[05:53] <nikkia> apokryphos: i program fruit machines
[05:53] <danie1> nikkia: fruit?
[05:53] <apokryphos> Heh =)
[05:53] <danie1> as in apple?
[05:53] <nikkia> danie1: for non-brits, 'i program slot machines'
[05:53] <apokryphos> nikkia: tell me the flaws, please! 
[05:53] <nikkia> apokryphos: the major flaw is, they take your money :P
[05:53] <apokryphos> gah
[05:53] <apokryphos> Something I know all too well ;-)
[05:54] <nikkia> other than when they're sat by my desk on freeplay
[05:54] <danie1> how can you program something you don't use?!!
[05:54] <apokryphos> and hasn't played since ;-)
[05:54] <nikkia> danie1: quite easy when massive loss of money is involved :)
[05:54] <danie1> hahaha
[05:54] <nikkia> danie1: it has been known for my company to hand people petty cash to go investigate a competitor's machine
[05:55] <nikkia> and it has been known for petty cash to go down by 2000 in one day on such occasions
[05:55] <apokryphos> yeouch
[05:55] <apokryphos> so which babies are yours? I'll have to keep on the lookout
[05:55] <danie1> iirc, that's more than 2000 USD?
[05:55] <McScruff> is there any good mp3 to wav software?
[05:55] <apokryphos> danie1: over $3000, yes
[05:56] <danie1> =-O
[05:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: i work on video stuff, i wrote one that plays 3 reels and goes into blackjack where you can gamble your winnings for more winnings, and this year i've mostly been writing roulette systems
[05:56] <danie1> sounds like fun :)
[05:57] <danie1> let me guess: you use python and kubuntu?
[05:57] <nikkia> danie1: its a nice job, very different from the 'regular' games industry
[05:57] <nikkia> danie1: most of it is windows, sadly
[05:57] <apokryphos> :|
[05:57] <nikkia> the blackjack game was an embedded board tho, no OS at all
[05:57] <nikkia> and my current project is in java on a basic debian system
[05:57] <danie1> so windows takes your money, too! >:o
[05:57] <nikkia> (not my choice)
[06:00] <danie1> one more general kde question: what is the "examining file progress" dialog that appears for a split second when i start the kde desktop?
[06:01] <McScruff> im looking for an alternative to this http://www.softforall.com/Multimedia/Video/Mobile_AMR_converter07070299.htm
[06:06] <nikkia> danie1: i've seen that dialog, have no idea what it is, but its probably when KDE is scanning the desktop directory
[06:06] <nikkia> or something like that
[06:06] <nikkia> McScruff: is that an app that converts .amr to .wav and back ?
[06:07] <McScruff> nikkia mp3 to amr
[06:08] <nikkia> McScruff: i know of a .wav/.amr convertor
[06:08] <danie1> ooooo, i've found a way to log in as root in kubuntu :D
[06:08] <nikkia> you'd have to do the .mp3/.wav yourself
[06:08] <apokryphos> danie1: it's possible, but not recommended
[06:08] <nikkia> McScruff: http://www.aquarionics.com/article/name/How_to_convert_AMR_files_to_MP3
[06:08] <McScruff> nikkia , whats it called?
[06:08] <McScruff> ty
[06:08] <nikkia> that has links to the reference AMR decoder/encoder, which can do it
[06:09] <nikkia> it also has some scripts to convert .mp3->.wav->.amr and vice versa
[06:09] <danie1> apokryphos: i know :\
[06:09] <apokryphos> danie1: why would you want to? ;-)
[06:09] <nikkia> well, it has a .amr->.wav->.mp3 script, you'd need to work out the other way around yourself, it seems
[06:10] <McScruff> im gonna try and wine the nokia tool
[06:11] <danie1> apokryphos: well, for some reason on my first kubuntu installation, i could not run a graphical app from the terminal emulator (either xterm or konsole) -- it told me that it couldn't connect to x server at .0:0 (but my latest install works).  so i discovered that i could: console login -> sudo -s -> startx :)
[06:11] <McScruff> also another Q :) (i know you love em) is there a way to get rss feeds on the desktop?
[06:12] <apokryphos> danie1: you should be able to just kdesu {someapp} or sudo {someapp}
[06:12] <apokryphos> McScruff: there's a few superkaramba for things like that, I believe. I use akregator though.. very good.
[06:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: you could perhaps even use the 'webdesktop' thing that KDE has for drawing the background, too
[06:13] <apokryphos> contemplating removing it
[06:14] <apokryphos> nikkia: oh? Can't say I knwo anything about it :/
[06:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: under 'Configure Desktop' if you click 'Advanced' it lets you set a program to draw the desktop background, the default is 'kwebdesktop' which uses a supplied URL to draw the background
[06:15] <nikkia> using a RSS->Web aggregator, plus a bit of CSS, you could make a nice RSS background :)
[06:16] <nikkia> and since it gets run automatically every few minutes (10 by default) it wouldn't use as much CPU as karamba variants
[06:16] <nikkia> ie its a one-shot kind of thing, rather than sitting there consuming CPU cycles all the time
[06:17] <ubuntu> hello??
[06:17] <nikkia> the default URL is news.kde.org i think, but you can change it
[06:17] <apokryphos> nikkia: do you think skaramba's slowness is down to the fact it's python, though?
[06:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: i think its a mixture of things
[06:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: 1) being written in python, 2) the fact it gets redrawn *very* often
[06:17] <apokryphos> Python isn't that weak though, is it?
[06:18] <apokryphos> If you run a few dcop cycles with a theme CPU shoots up. Kinda sucks
[06:18] <nikkia> it is when you're trying to do lots of graphics and updating more than 1/sec tho :)
[06:18] <nikkia> python isn't 'weak' its just not really suited to that kind of thing, IMO
[06:19] <nikkia> also, most skaramba themes go way OTT on the transparencies and layered&scaled images
[06:20] <nikkia> i imagine its possible to write a really efficient skaramba theme, but noone seems to :)
[06:20] <apokryphos> Yeah, since there's limited amount of things on the market, the new thing has to be the same but cooler ;-)
[06:21] <apokryphos> Oh wait, I just realised that when I was trying things out, and testing dcop's speed I was doing it with python ;-)
[06:21] <apokryphos> (where dcop did 25 or so processes a second very easily)
[06:21] <apokryphos> but doing a couple a sec in karamba went to the moon and back
[06:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: zope brought my P4-2.8 to its knees :)
[06:22] <apokryphos> hehe
[06:22] <nikkia> it lasted about 20 minutes before i tired of 1-2 second lag behind pressing a key and it appearing on the console, and removed zope again :)
[06:22] <apokryphos> I'm thinking of saving up for a dual processor AMD 64 for University. Can't wait =)
[06:23] <nikkia> of course, about 5 of those minutes were typing 'dpkg -r zope' :P
[06:25] <apokryphos> currently not sure if I'll still run [K] ubuntu though
[06:25] <apokryphos> might be nice to investigate with Gentoo if I have super speed
[06:29] <nikkia> yay, 5:30!
[06:31] <danie1> nikkia: british time :P
[06:31] <danie1> here on the east coast, it's lunch time!
[06:32] <nikkia> danie1: yeah, i know
[06:33] <nikkia> (my router crashed, as it does many times a day, luckily i caught it and rebooted it before my sockets timed out :)
[06:33] <danie1> you're running a server
[06:33] <danie1> ?
[06:33] <nikkia> danie1: yes, but thats not what i mean :)
[06:34] <nikkia> my router, that handles my ethernet connections + wireless -> cable, crashed, it does that many times a day, i know, i need a new one...
[06:34] <nikkia> but since i rebooted it within the 4 minutes it takes for a TCP connection to be marked dead, i didn't get disconnected from irc, just lagged badly :)
[06:35] <danie1> i still don't understand the ports/sockets thing :(
[06:37] <danie1> but now it's eating time :)
[06:45] <supernix> I am not sure but I think my connection to the net is faster than when I was using my XP SP2 box
[06:48] <nikkia> supernix: that's because you no longer have 300MB of spyware sat in the background calling home constantly :P
[06:49] <supernix> LOL OMG How true
[06:50] <supernix> it was a trojan that almost ate my PC that made me start looking at Linux again
[06:50] <jpatrick> LOL
[06:53] <apokryphos> What made me seriously consider Linux was the fact that I got a virus >30 mins after a fresh install of Windows
[06:53] <apokryphos> ...without having opened IE
[06:56] <supernix> how long ago has that been apokryphos 
[06:56] <jpatrick> What made me seriously consider Linux was the fact that Windows took too much RAM
[06:56] <apokryphos> around 10 months ago I think. Perhaps less
[06:56] <supernix> you sure do know alot about Linux for someone that only done it for 10 months
[06:57] <jpatrick> I've done it for just a day
[06:57] <apokryphos> supernix: I don't know much.. really. My younger brother admittedly puts me to shame ;-)
[06:57] <supernix> your younger sibling must be a wiz kid
[06:58] <supernix> I have found you to be very patient and very helpful during my trips to IRC
[06:58] <apokryphos> supernix: I think it's fair to say that. Became a KDE developer a few months after juts learning C++
[06:59] <apokryphos> though he prefers Python, still :P
[06:59] <nikkia> jpatrick, its not so much that windows takes too much RAM, its that it has really really ways it uses the ram
[07:00] <nikkia> jpatrick: for example, whenever you load an app, its loaded into both real ram and swap file on windows
[07:00] <jpatrick> It was just really slow
[07:00] <jpatrick> I know
[07:00] <stibby> are there any kde utilities that can check SFV hashes?
[07:01] <stibby> or command line utilities
[07:01] <stibby> (i'm only interested in stuff gotten through apt)
[07:01] <nikkia> stibby, there are a couple of command line ones
[07:01] <nikkia> there's no real point to a KDE interface for something like that
[07:01] <stibby> are any built in?
[07:01] <nikkia> no
[07:02] <nikkia> look for cfv and cksfv in the package list
[07:02] <stibby> thankyou
[07:02] <nikkia> both are in universe tho
[07:02] <stibby> I hope you can check more than once
[07:02] <jpatrick> maybe superkaramba...
[07:02] <stibby> *one
[07:02] <stibby> at a time
[07:02] <nikkia> cfv looks to be about the best, IMO
[07:02] <jpatrick> Forget I said that if it's wrong
[07:03] <nikkia> (it checks sfv, sfvmd5, csv, csv2, csv4, md5, bsdmd5, crc, par and par2
[07:03] <nikkia> oh, and torrent files
[07:03] <stibby> w00t
[07:06] <nikkia> stibby, it seems to handle multiple sfv files ok
[07:07] <nikkia> by default, you just do 'cfv' and it checks all of the files it recognises that are in the current dir
[07:07] <apokryphos> anyone know how to add page numbers in OOo?
[07:10] <nikkia> apokryphos: yes
[07:10] <apokryphos> :-O
[07:11] <nikkia> apokryphos: 'insert->fields->document' select 'page' and then select 'Page numbers' in the middle panel and set the format
[07:11] <nikkia> erm, sorry, 'insert->fields->other'
[07:11] <stibby> is kubuntu in somewhat desperate need for seeders for the .iso.torrent files?
[07:11] <nikkia> its on the document tab that opens :)
[07:12] <apokryphos> Arr... sneaky little thing that. I have Insert -> fields -> page number which seems to cut it
[07:13] <nikkia> no, that inserts the current page number at the cursor position
[07:13] <nikkia> not the same thing
[07:13] <apokryphos> nikkia: if you make a footer and insert that there then it's fine...
[07:13] <nikkia> yeah, that works
[07:13] <apokryphos> as in, it does what I want.
[07:14] <nikkia> that's also how we had to do things in the wordperfect 5.1 days, and i personally don't want to move back to the stone age :P
[07:14] <apokryphos> 8)
[07:14] <apokryphos> nikkia: do you tend to use oowriter over kword?
[07:14] <nikkia> yes
[07:14] <nikkia> cos 99% of the .doc files i get from co-workers won't open with kword, so i rarely use it at all
[07:15] <apokryphos> ah
[07:15] <stibby> try out abiword sometime
[07:15] <nikkia> altho both kspread and OOo Spreadsheet have trouble with .xls files
[07:15] <stibby> yeah :(
[07:18] <nikkia> when i was job hunting before i got this job, i ended up having to go to the local library to fill out one form a company emailed me, cos the form was in a protected .xls :/
[07:18] <ep> Anybody here know why "middle clicking" within a Firefox browser window does not launch the URL in the clipboard buffer. This has always worked for me on other installs.  Its not working now.
[07:18] <nikkia> ep, because firefox uses middle-click to mean 'open in new tab'
[07:19] <nikkia> its configurable somewhere, but i couldn't tell you where
[07:19] <nikkia> probably in about:config somewhere
[07:19] <seth_k> about:config
[07:19] <seth_k> browser.tabs.opentabfor.middleclick
[07:19] <seth_k> :)
[07:19] <seth_k> then I think you change middlemouse.contentLoadURL
[07:19] <seth_k> as well
[07:19] <nikkia> middlemouse.openNewWindow:   true/false
[07:20] <nikkia> and middlemouse.contentLoadURL: true/false
[07:20] <ep> opening in a new tab would be ok too -- mines doing nothing:)
[07:20] <nikkia> swap the settings around, and bingo
[07:22] <nikkia> ep, i mean its used for 'open current link in new tab' :)
[07:22] <nikkia> ie, you put the cursor over a link, press the middle button, and it opens that link in a new tab, personally, i like it that way, but thats me :)
[07:22] <ep> that did the trick -- life is good:)     
[07:25] <ep> I paste alot of urls in from the clipboard...  Eraseing the command box first is a BIG pain. If your coming from Windows and you highlight the URL in the command box, you're really screwed.  (I did this)
[07:26] <nikkia> ep, i just use ctrl-v
[07:27] <nikkia> the middle-mouse-to-paste concept has always been fundamentally flawed in X
[07:27] <nikkia> (you cannot use it to 'highlight a section of text and replace it with the pasted text' for example)
[07:27] <ep> but I like to "open in a new tab" but I usally right click and select that off a menu :)
[07:29] <ep> Yeah that part is confusing nikkia... But actually once I got used to it...  I realized that it is probably more efficient than Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V
[07:30] <nikkia> ep, its not, i often replace whole chunks of code, you cannot do it with the highlight-click method
[07:31] <nikkia> my left hand stays over the keyboard when i'm doing text editing anyway, so ctrl-c/ctrl-v is no less efficient than the finger i have over the mouse, but the fact i can't replace text with the clipboard cripples my development time
[07:33] <ep> Yeah, i've run into that problem too now that i think about it.
[07:56] <ep> how do I get konsole to automatically use color on the ls command?
[07:57] <jjesse> ls --color=auto i think?
[07:57] <jjesse> and hten just alias ls to equal ls --color
[07:57] <jjesse> http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum40/427.htm
[07:58] <ep> thanks
[07:58] <jjesse> if that works google is your firend
[08:00] <pax> alias ls='ls --color=auto'
[08:01] <Anca> Hello, I installed Java Runtime Environment for Mozilla Firefox and now I have to make a symbolic link to libjavaplugin_oji.so in my Mozilla Plugins directory - how can I do that?
[08:03] <ep> that worked pax, thanks
[08:04] <pax> np, you should have that by dedault
[08:04] <pax> alias -p should list whatcha got, me thinks
[08:07] <ep> yeah i thought it should of been default too.... maybet there was some problems with the way i installed.  I did ubuntu first.   I've had some quirks.  Thinking of redoing everything.
[08:09] <ep> I don't need the latest version of everything... I prefer to be use fairly stable packages.  However I would version 2.0 of bzflag (different servers) and there is a debian deb file available.
[08:10] <ep> It says my libcurl is not up todate.  Debian has a newer on listed on thier stable package list.  Can I install this or should I just forget the whole idea?
[08:12] <ep> Mainly I just want version 2 of bzflag if there is a way i can apt-get from kubutnu  sources that would be cool.
[08:14] <Mez> gah
[08:14] <Mez> wheres the option to change the 1 click to open thing in konqueror
[08:14] <Mez> I can enver find it again when i reinstall
[08:16] <pax> ep: as long as you dont have backports in sources.list I dont see why not upgrade and stay stable
[08:17] <pax> mez isnt it in Web Behavior?
[08:17] <m0ns00n> Mez: It's in Periperals -> Mouse
[08:18] <m0ns00n> Change to double click
[08:18] <m0ns00n> :)
[08:19] <Mez> ty
[08:21] <ep> everything is upgraded, I believe. Version of libcurl3 on system is 7.12.3-2ubuntu3. This bzflag2.deb file requires libcurl3 >= 7.13.01  and its the only means I've discovered to install bzflag2 other than compileing (which  also failed)
[08:23] <supernix> Anyone using KPGP or whatever you call it ?
[08:23] <seth_k> i am
[08:23] <seth_k> KGpg
[08:24] <supernix> Does does it allow for encrypting files and emails like PGP ?
[08:24] <seth_k> By default, anything you drop onto the icon gets encrypted
[08:24] <supernix> I was also curious as to what would be a good key to use 
[08:24] <seth_k> plus, you have a right-click context menu
[08:24] <seth_k> 1024 is fine
[08:25] <supernix> It mentioned something about elgamal or something like that never heard that one before 
[08:25] <seth_k> that's one part of your key
[08:26] <supernix> I remember hearing about IDEA and Blowfish and gosh many others that I can't recall
[08:26] <seth_k> the ElGamal subkey
[08:27] <jpatrick> My partition on the install partitioned a disc but it was marked unuseable
[08:27] <jpatrick> anyone know how I can fix this?
[08:28] <apokryphos> KTorrent 1.0 out.. nice
[08:28] <apokryphos> seems less buggy so far
[08:29] <jpatrick> fixed it :D
[08:31] <Mez> KTorrent?
[08:34] <supernix> I can't understand why people are using torrent instead of Emule
[08:36] <supernix> If an applet crashes and you recreate it in the panel will you have two of them in the panel when you reboot ?
[08:38] <seth_k> you shouldn't, no
[08:38] <supernix> good
[08:38] <supernix> I found that if you create a applet then when you open the list again it is greyed out
[08:43] <apokryphos> supernix: because torrents are better :P
[08:43] <apokryphos> My experience with Emule is pretty bad; was only reasonably ok for songs, but that was because it could go through Gnuttella, IIRC
[08:45] <seth_k> yeah, I've never had good experiences with a *mule client
[08:54] <supernix> But emule had a feature to keep bad people from accessing your server
[08:55] <_pablo> i have got a problem with little problem and it would be nice if somebody could help me solving it
[08:56] <jjesse> wwhats up pablo?
[08:56] <_pablo> sry i have got a little problem and it would be nice if somebody could help me solving it
[08:56] <_pablo> my clock works too fast
[08:56] <jjesse> time clock?
[08:56] <_pablo> yes
[08:56] <jjesse> does it move as fast on your bios?
[08:57] <_pablo> no in my bios it move right
[08:57] <supernix> pablo do you mean your clock is ahead by X hours compared to your bios ?
[08:58] <_pablo> when in real time 1 hour is left on my pc the clock shows 2 hours
[08:58] <supernix> you just need to adjust your time _pablo 
[08:59] <supernix> the time is just setup for the wrong time zone for your area
[08:59] <supernix> the default is UT time
[08:59] <_pablo> no i've done this for three times
[09:00] <_pablo> it seams that the clock count milliseconds insteat of seconds
[09:02] <seth_k> using a 2.6.12 kernel?
[09:03] <_pablo> yes the latest kubuntu version
[09:04] <_pablo> i think this includes kernel 2.6.12 but one second i will look it up
[09:06] <_pablo> 2.6.10-5  is the kerne
[09:16] <_pablo> thanks for your trys cya
[09:26] <jeanluc> Hi  guys
[09:26] <chris12349> hey
[09:27] <jeanluc> I just got a new mouse!! logitech mx 510 :) I love it its really good
[09:27] <chris12349> ive got the 518, great mouse
[09:27] <jeanluc> yup
[09:28] <chris12349> did you get you system all reinstalled?
[09:28] <jeanluc> I reinstalled it for a third time
[09:28] <chris12349> nuclear option huh
[09:28] <jeanluc> so right now im updating the source.list thing
[09:31] <jeanluc> isn't there a way to update it with out editiing the file in kate?
[09:31] <chris12349> I think there is a way in synamptic
[09:31] <jeanluc> no in the consle there was a cmd to just save one from some website
[09:31] <chris12349> synaptic*
[09:32] <chris12349> hmm im not sure
[09:32] <kalenedrael> command-line is easier
[09:32] <kalenedrael> (i think)
[09:32] <kalenedrael> sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:32] <chris12349> yup i agree
[09:32] <jeanluc> but I need to
[09:32] <chris12349> I think he is trying to add to sources.list
[09:32] <jeanluc> update the sources.list file
[09:32] <chris12349> without using vi or pico 
[09:37] <apokryphos> jeanluc: I think it's better for you to learn what you're doing this time
[09:37] <jeanluc> ya im reading that tutorial
[09:37] <jeanluc> I think I edited the file right
[09:40] <jeanluc> isn't there a file on the internet that was already edited?
[09:40] <chris12349> jeanluc: have you looked over this? http://ubuntuguide.org
[09:40] <apokryphos> !ubuntuguide
[09:40] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is, like, a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[09:41] <apokryphos> jeanluc: there is, but you should learn what you're doing this time
[09:41] <chris12349> oops
[09:42] <chris12349> sorry jeanluc after reading the wiki using the above said guide would be a bad idea for a new user
[09:43] <jeanluc> hmm
[09:44] <pv> The problem with the wiki is that it is incomplete and not very organized.
[09:44] <jeanluc> why don't they just update the version avalible for dload so you don't have to do this
[09:45] <chris12349> oh I was just refering to the guidelines, I didn't realize there was such a thing
[09:45] <apokryphos> pv: true, but it's far more comprehensive in the areas it does cover. Still, it's always improving.
[09:45] <jeanluc> ??ubuntu
[09:45] <apokryphos> chris12349: I gave him my sources.list before, he's just referring to that...
[09:45] <chris12349> ah
[09:45] <jeanluc> ?? ubuntu
[09:45] <kinfo> No match for "ubuntu"
[09:45] <jeanluc> ?? sources
[09:45] <kinfo> No match for "sources"
[09:45] <apokryphos> heh
[09:46] <jeanluc> ?? why am I dumb
[09:46] <kinfo> No match for "why"
[09:46] <apokryphos> why are you flooding the channel, is a better question
[09:46] <apokryphos> If you're "dumb" it's because you're wilfully so
[09:46] <apokryphos> as in, you don't wish to put in any effort to figure anything out. You won't survive long in Linux
[09:46] <jeanluc> <- linux noob so used to windows and not having to do anything :(
[09:47] <apokryphos> wouldn't you like to rectify that situation?
[09:47] <apokryphos> Mindlessly doing the process again clearly isn't going to help in any sort of long-term
[09:47] <jeanluc> I have an amd
[09:47] <jeanluc> but its not 64 bit
[09:47] <jeanluc> so
[09:48] <jeanluc> its i386?
[09:48] <apokryphos> correct
[09:48] <jeanluc> ok
[09:48] <apokryphos> well, you can use the 386 stuff
[09:48] <jeanluc> so I un-# those lines
[09:48] <apokryphos> yes
[09:48] <jeanluc> and I save the file in my home folder?
[09:49] <jeanluc> # For i386 Only
[09:49] <jeanluc> # [CHANGE_ME]  : For an i386 machine, uncomment the line below.
[09:49] <jeanluc> deb ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/gift-fasttrack unstable main
[09:49] <jeanluc> is this the correct way  
[09:49] <apokryphos> yes
[09:49] <jeanluc> ok 
[09:50] <jeanluc> I set the mirrors to the closest ones
[09:50] <jeanluc> now where do I put the file?
[09:50] <jeanluc> ect/apt/
[09:50] <jeanluc> ?
[09:51] <jeanluc> shit this is where I get confused
[09:51] <apokryphos> jeanluc: it gives you exact instructions
[09:52] <jeanluc> ya you overwrite it by saving in  kate
[09:52] <jeanluc> right?
[09:52] <apokryphos> if you have downloaded, saved, and altered the file to your computer's needs, then proceed to step 3
[09:53] <jeanluc> jeanluc@ubuntu:~$ sudo mv /ect/apt/sources.list
[09:53] <jeanluc> mv: missing file argument
[09:53] <jeanluc> Try `mv --help' for more information.
[09:54] <jeanluc> is what I get when I type
[09:54] <jeanluc> ~$ sudo mv /ect/apt/sources.list in consle
[09:54] <apokryphos> Do you know what mv does? 
[09:54] <jeanluc> no
[09:54] <apokryphos> You can view the manual pages of a command by typing, in konsole, man {somecommand}
[09:54] <apokryphos> There it will tell you its usage, possible options, and what it does
[09:55] <apokryphos> i.e. for more information on man, type man man
[09:55] <kalenedrael> heh
[09:56] <apokryphos> You can quit from man pages by typing q
[09:56] <jeanluc> ok what is my working directory?
[09:56] <jeanluc> *home/jeanluc ?
[09:57] <jeanluc> or /ect/apt
[09:57] <apokryphos> Your working directory is a directory which you would work in. That is, a directory in which you would have permissions.
[09:57] <apokryphos> To view which directory you are in you can type "pwd"
[09:57] <jeanluc> so /home/jeanluc
[09:57] <apokryphos> pwd -- print working directory
[09:58] <jeanluc> ok
[09:58] <jeanluc> so if mv moves things
[09:58] <apokryphos> from viewing the manual page of mv, did you notice the syntax of it?
[09:58] <jeanluc> I need to type sudo mv /home/jeanluc/sources.list /ect/apt/sources.list?
[09:59] <apokryphos> Note that in UNIX systems you can either use absolute filenames (i.e. mv /home/username/file /some/other/file) or relative ones... so if you're in /home/username, typing mv file /some/other/file will do just the same as the first one
[10:00] <apokryphos> Absolute path, rather, I should say.
[10:00] <apokryphos> also, in Linux the tilde (~) can be used to represent /home/youruser 
[10:00] <jeanluc> ok this is what im getting
[10:00] <jeanluc> jeanluc@ubuntu:~$ sudo mv /home/jeanluc/sources.list /ect/apt/
[10:00] <jeanluc> mv: cannot move `/home/jeanluc/sources.list' to `/ect/apt/sources.list': No such file or directory
[10:00] <jeanluc> jeanluc@ubuntu:~$
[10:01] <jeanluc> jeanluc@ubuntu:~$ sudo mv /home/jeanluc/sources.list /ect/apt/
[10:01] <jeanluc> mv: cannot move `/home/jeanluc/sources.list' to `/ect/apt/sources.list': No such file or directory
[10:01] <jeanluc> jeanluc@ubuntu:~$
[10:01] <apokryphos> It's good practice to backup files like that first before you're overwriting them
[10:01] <kalenedrael> spell it correctly
[10:01] <kalenedrael> it's /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:01] <apokryphos> that's what this is for: sudo  mv  /etc/apt/sources.list  /etc/apt/sources.list.`date +%y%m%d-%H%M`
[10:01] <chris12349> I would suggest making a backup of sources.list (sources_old.list) or something
[10:02] <jeanluc> I have
[10:02] <apokryphos> (note also in Linux that there is no "rename" command... you can use mv to rename files)
[10:02] <_nikkia> apokryphos: man rename
[10:02] <chris12349> apokryphos: will that add the current date to the filename?
[10:02] <Poromies> jeanluc: yea be careful with typo's when using commandline :)
[10:02] <apokryphos> nikkia: ssh!
[10:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: i find 'rename' to be a very useful linux command
[10:03] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, thats another useful command, good choice :P
[10:03] <apokryphos> Funny, I always just used mv. 
[10:03] <apokryphos> chris12349: correct
[10:03] <apokryphos> nikkia: ever used krename? That's really great, too.
[10:03] <chris12349> that will be incredibly helpful to me...thanks!
[10:03] <nikkia> apokryphos: once, i think
[10:03] <nikkia> apokryphos: at least, i remember using *a* GUI renamer, i assume it was krename
[10:04] <apokryphos> nikkia: I was going to package it but apparently it's in some Debian repo, so hey :P
[10:04] <apokryphos> anyhow, jeanluc: now you just want to put your new sources.list in the appropriate place
[10:05] <jeanluc> ok I did
[10:05] <jeanluc> but now
[10:05] <jeanluc> when I open kynaptic
[10:05] <jeanluc> Type 'US' is not known on line 42 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:06] <jeanluc> why do we have 
[10:06] <jeanluc> why do I have to do this 
[10:06] <Mez> jeanluc - use http://www.pastebin.com and paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:06] <apokryphos> It says they're something wrong with your file there, on guess which line :P
[10:07] <chris12349> ;) easy fix jeanluc  this stuff will become second nature very soon
[10:07] <Mez> apokryphos, somehow I don't think jeanluc is an idiot :D
[10:07] <apokryphos> jeanluc: apt sources are the places that Ubuntu would look for repositories. More sources, more repositories
[10:07] <apokryphos> Mez: hence the smilie ;-)
[10:08] <Mez> apokryphos, yeah, but - text that seems insulting comes across as insulting whether it's got a smile on the end or not
[10:08] <apokryphos> Mez: I disagree. If you think a smilie has no affect over the bearing of the interpretation of a post then I can't really agree at all -- it's plainly not the case.
[10:08] <jeanluc> well I do code php so im not a complete ass to debugging shit
[10:08] <apokryphos> Cool, good start. You should find many things slightly easier then
[10:09] <Mez> apokryphos, when it's not noticable it des
[10:09] <jeanluc> so
[10:09] <Mez> and please, jeanluc, mind your language
[10:09] <jeanluc> why do I have to update this file
[10:09] <jeanluc> shouldn't it already be updated by kubuntu?
[10:09] <apokryphos> Mez: the smilie was not noticeable? I'm sorry you missed it; quite clear to me.
[10:10] <apokryphos> jeanluc: not really, because some of the repositories you may be adding includes non-free stuff and other things not supported officially by Ubuntu
[10:10] <jpatrick> How do I change myself to root on a folder? - I'm trying to edit sources.list
[10:10] <Mez> apokryphos, actually the smilie came across as making the sentence more patronising to me apokryphos and does so moer now I re-read
[10:11] <nikkia> its hard to miss them when they're a nice round yellow face stuck on the end of the line...
[10:11] <apokryphos> Mez: You are of course perfectly entitled to your interpretation. I may come off pedantic, but it's plainly not my intention. This is the third time today the guy comes in asking for precisely the exact same thing
[10:11] <jeanluc> this is gay
[10:11] <apokryphos> Mez: the whole reasoning behind it is that the user learns something rather than blindly following commands
[10:11] <Mez> jpatrcik - right click the file, click on actions, and then click edit as root
[10:11] <Mez> apokryphos, but to me you seem to be being unhelpful
[10:11] <jpatrick> okay thanks
[10:11] <apokryphos> jeanluc: I don't think Linux systems are gay or not gay ;-)
[10:11] <kalenedrael> ok, jeanluc, you modify the file so kubuntu knows where to update its package lists from
[10:12] <Mez> and jeanluc, please mind your conduct
[10:12] <jeanluc> why don't you give me the commands please and then tell me what they mean
[10:12] <apokryphos> Mez: telling him the exact command I told him the first two times would evidently be more unhelpful
[10:12] <kalenedrael> wow jeanluc, you can't open up a file in a text editor?
[10:13] <apokryphos> jeanluc: we can work out the problem with your sources.list... you didn't follow the instructions exactly, else you wouldn't be getting the error. Why not pastebin them, as was suggested?
[10:13] <pax> anyone knows how to set aliases permanently?
[10:13] <jeanluc> IDK wtf paste bin is
[10:13] <kalenedrael> pax, in your .bash_profile
[10:13] <pax> thx
[10:13] <kalenedrael> or .bashrc
[10:13] <apokryphos> jeanluc: www.pastebin.com -> go there, enter in the sources.list, and then once you've posted it, provide the link in this channel
[10:13] <kalenedrael> they both have more or less the same function... but i forget what the difference is, specifically
[10:13] <apokryphos> common practice in IRC, on many occassions.
[10:14] <pax> kalenedrael: no easy way to save them by command?
[10:14] <kalenedrael> well, open up the files and edit them
[10:14] <nikkia> kalenedrael: one is sourced only at login, the other each time a shell is spawned
[10:14] <pax> alright :)
[10:14] <jeanluc> ok
[10:14] <jeanluc> its on pastebin
[10:14] <Mez> link ?
[10:14] <nikkia> kalenedrael: iirc, _profile is the one done once at login
[10:14] <kalenedrael> ah
[10:14] <nikkia> and also, iirc, .bash_login works too
[10:14] <kalenedrael> ok
[10:15] <nikkia> and it probably reads in .profile too, just to be compatible :)
[10:15] <Mez> jeanluc - what's the link on pastebin for it?
[10:15] <kalenedrael> heh
[10:15] <apokryphos> jeanluc: check line 42 and what do you think might be going wrong with it
[10:15] <Mez> pax, I've always used ~/.bashrc
[10:15] <apokryphos> jeanluc: apt tries to read any line that isn't commented out
[10:16] <nikkia> ah, by default, bash only reads .bashrc when it is a non-interface shell
[10:16] <pax> Mez: that's where I found the default ones like ls -al and ls -l ..etc
[10:16] <Mez> but you can also edit /etc/bash.bashrc
[10:16] <nikkia> interface? i meant interactive
[10:16] <jeanluc> ok
[10:16] <jeanluc> it said
[10:16] <Mez> pax, then you add your own
[10:16] <jeanluc> un comment the server closet to youi
[10:16] <jeanluc> so I did
[10:16] <nikkia> mez, according to the manual, that's a bad idea...
[10:16] <jeanluc> so wtf does it want?
[10:16] <pax> Mez: nah  I just want to save them for me as single user so .bashrc looks like the right place, thx :)
[10:17] <pax> or am I understanding this wrong?
[10:17] <nikkia> the *rc files only get read by non-interactive shells by default, so you want aliases in .bash_profile, unless your .bash_profile source's .bashrc, but that would kind of defeat the purpose of having two seperate configuration files that get executed in different circumstances
[10:17] <apokryphos> jeanluc: something is wrong with that very line 42... it's not a link to a repository, so why isn't it commented out?
[10:17] <nikkia> altho, i must admit, *most* console windows don't create shells with login prefs
[10:18] <apokryphos> jeanluc: as I said, apt tries to read everything that isn't commented out. That's not a repository, so apt doesn't want it.
[10:18] <jeanluc> Yes I know I fixed it
[10:18] <nikkia> oh, wait, that business about ignoring them by default only applies in sh-compatibility
[10:19] <Mez> jeanluc -where did you get that sources.list from?
[10:19] <apokryphos> !kudos
[10:19] <ubotu> kudos is probably at http://kudos.berlios.de
[10:19] <jeanluc> that site w/ tutorial
[10:19] <apokryphos> Mez: there
[10:19] <apokryphos> nikkia: do you ever use prelink?
[10:20] <Mez> ah, kk
[10:20] <nikkia> apokryphos: believe it or not, i have no idea what that term is referring to, i *might* i dunno
[10:20] <nikkia> apokryphos: to me, pre-link is an ancient dinosaur of a technique from early linux/unix days that noone uses anymore, for distributing software
[10:21] <apokryphos> nikkia: no-one at all? :P
[10:21] <nikkia> apokryphos: and i very much doubt you mean THAT kind of pre-linking
[10:21] <supernix> just curious does anyone know of a program that will allow you to keep multiple notes in the same program ?
[10:21] <nikkia> apokryphos: pretty sure, haven't seen it used since about 1995
[10:21] <apokryphos> I remember using it once before and being mildly happy with it
[10:21] <apokryphos> good description: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/prelink-howto.xml
[10:21] <nikkia> apokryphos: i really think we're talking about two different 'pre-link' concepts
[10:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, that's different
[10:22] <apokryphos> supernix: what type of notes?
[10:22] <apokryphos> nikkia: ok
[10:22] <supernix> Um hmm they would be equal to rtf format not sure what they use in Linux
[10:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: the pre-link i remember was where you roll all of your .o files, stripped of symbols, into a .a file, then ship it with a tiny shell script tagged on that does the final link, it was used to ship binary executables in the days when libc wasn't stable
[10:22] <jeanluc> sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:23] <apokryphos> Yeah, that's not it.
[10:23] <apokryphos> This works with shared libraries; kind of preloading, I guess
[10:23] <nikkia> yeah, i see that
[10:23] <apokryphos> supernix: not sure at all quite, but if you just mean ordinary notes.. KNotes is good
[10:23] <supernix> I guess the notes might be or could be html formatted
[10:24] <apokryphos> jeanluc: sudo apt-get update    --- that will refresh your sources for apt to use
[10:24] <apokryphos> jeanluc: apt-get upgrade would try to upgrade all packages installed
[10:24] <nikkia> supernix: you could always use emacs and one of its many notes-systems :)
[10:25] <apokryphos> nikkia: trying to remember if it actually sped up my system when I used it ;-)
[10:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: i doubt it
[10:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: it might on occasionally used binaries where the libraries it uses aren't used elsewhere
[10:25] <apokryphos> Hm, ok. I may try it out; takes ages to set up however.
[10:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: for the majority of libs, they're going to be in memory ready for ld.so anyway
[10:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: it sounds like more gentoo voodoo to me
[10:26] <apokryphos> nikkia: saw it recommended (kind of) on kudos
[10:26] <nikkia> 'look!! look!!! it loaded 0.0001uS faster the second time around!!'
[10:26] <apokryphos> Gentoo black magic, dundundun
[10:26] <apokryphos> :-O
[10:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: my reasoning is...
[10:28] <nikkia> any lib that is pre-linked in, and is commonly used, is just padding the size of the executable, which will more negatively affect the load/start time than any perceived benefit in side-stepping ld.so's caching algorithms
[10:28] <nikkia> anything you don't use often enough to justify that, you're probably not using enough to care about a slight increase in load time, anyway
[10:29] <nikkia> ie, you might shave 10mS loading time off an app you use once every 3 weeks, IMO utterly pointless
[10:29] <supernix> What is emacs ?
[10:29] <pv> um, was prelinking not about resolving symbols?
[10:29] <apokryphos> nikkia: I see what you mean
[10:29] <nikkia> supernix: an editor/programming environment/operating systems
[10:29] <nikkia> s/systems/system/
[10:29] <supernix> oic ty nikkia 
[10:30] <apokryphos> supernix: *cough* for old fogies *cough* 8)
[10:30] <nikkia> supernix: its a highly configurable and extendable editor written entirely in lisp
[10:30] <supernix> Nice
[10:30] <supernix> I was using a program called Essential PIM in XP and it was a nice PIM with multi note feature
[10:31] <nikkia> i just use knotes and/or text files that i put in ~/ipod_notes that get synced to my ipod :)
[10:31] <apokryphos> KNotes is good, you should try it. Integrates with other KDE PIM stuff too (so goes into Kontact)
[10:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: oh for a kpod :/
[10:32] <supernix> I just realized what your talking about yeah I have used it several times
[10:32] <apokryphos> nikkia: whatwhat?
[10:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: a kde version of gtkpod, that could interact with kontact, knotes, etc
[10:32] <nikkia> i know gtkpod can sync kontact addressbooks, but still, something native to kde would be soooo nice
[10:33] <supernix> It is nice but you have not way of formatting text
[10:33] <apokryphos> nikkia: cool
[10:33] <nikkia> supernix: the functionality is almost certainly there
[10:33] <nikkia> supernix: its just not exposed
[10:33] <apokryphos> nikkia: haven't tried, but amaroK is meant to be decent for iPod crimes
[10:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: repeat after me... NO...AAC...SUPPORT :P
[10:34] <apokryphos> hehe =)
[10:34] <apokryphos> Anyone here tried an iRiver? Looking over iRiver PMP-100 (I believe it was). Looks quite good
[10:34] <supernix> LOL you got me nikkia it is there you just have to enable richtext 
[10:35] <apokryphos> are iRivers justly neglected that much?
[10:35] <supernix> funny I thought richtext was a M$ thing
[10:35] <nikkia> supernix: i *knew* knotes uses a rich text control, because it allows each note to use different colours
[10:35] <nikkia> supernix: no, rich text is a generic term for a text view that can have formatting applied to it
[10:36] <apokryphos> Microsoft {someoldversion} used .rtf though, didn't it?
[10:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: MS still use rtf
[10:36] <apokryphos> as default, I mean
[10:36] <supernix> kewl I didn't know that 
[10:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: and RTF is actually very little more than a 'embrace and extend' of TeX :)
[10:37] <supernix> Just please don't add that M
[10:37] <apokryphos> jeanluc: how's it going?
[10:37] <jeanluc> works
[10:37] <jeanluc> just installed firefox
[10:37] <apokryphos> great!
[10:37] <jeanluc> ya
[10:37] <nikkia> supernix: how about a D ?
[10:37] <apokryphos> :)
[10:37] <jeanluc> thanks for making me do it
[10:37] <jeanluc> cuz now I know
[10:37] <jeanluc> :p
[10:37] <nikkia> supernix: RTFD is pretty good
[10:38] <supernix> What does it mean by accept incomming notes though ?
[10:38] <apokryphos> another good guide, jeanluc
[10:38] <apokryphos> !rute
[10:38] <ubotu> methinks rute is a great guide for learning about Linux and is available at http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/
[10:38] <nikkia> supernix: knotes can be used for collaboration
[10:38] <jeanluc> now
[10:38] <apokryphos> It'll probably suck, for most people, looking through these, but they can be really helpful in the future
[10:38] <jeanluc> how come they don't allow mp3 in kubuntu
[10:39] <nikkia> supernix: ie, you can push notes to someone else's knotes setup
[10:39] <supernix> wow that is kewl
[10:39] <apokryphos> jeanluc: it is allowed if you get the appropriate packages, but for some reason it's apparently not working for you
[10:39] <nikkia> supernix: never tried it, so i have no idea if it works (properly) or not
[10:39] <jeanluc> now porky
[10:39] <supernix> I guess it is hard to compete with POP3 
[10:39] <jeanluc> can you help me with mp3's?
[10:39] <jeanluc> please
[10:40] <nikkia> supernix: urgh, pop3??! people still use that?
[10:40] <apokryphos> if amarok is installed and amarok-engines is, then as far as I know MP3s should work perfectly
[10:40] <apokryphos> nikkia: yes :P
[10:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: poor deluded souls
[10:40] <apokryphos> nikkia: what are the demigods of this day using?
[10:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: imap, of course
[10:41] <uniq> hello.
[10:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: same as they've been using since 1996 when it surpassed pop3 in features and usability :)
[10:41] <apokryphos> oh
[10:42] <jeanluc> nope
[10:42] <jeanluc> mp3 doesn't work
[10:42] <apokryphos> nikkia: any real [attempted]  justified reason for still using pop?
[10:42] <jeanluc> in amorak
[10:42] <uniq> imap with serverside spam/virus/rules filtering. :)
[10:42] <nikkia> some of us are even looking forward to the push-mail technologies and forward-without-upload stuff in the next version of imap
[10:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: pop3 uses slightly less network bandwidth
[10:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: some would argue that pop3 is better for offline use, but i would argue thats down to how you configure your mail client, every client i've used has had a 'pull from imap to local folders for offline reading' option anyway
[10:43] <jeanluc> ok
[10:43] <nikkia> uniq, imap is even better for client-side spam filtering than pop3
[10:43] <jeanluc> WTF mp3's won't play they do but no audio
[10:43] <jeanluc> :(
[10:44] <nikkia> as you can just receive headers, apply blacklists to them, without downloading the rest
[10:44] <apokryphos> handy
[10:44] <nikkia> and the equivalent pop3 mechanism isn't standard and only works on a few pop3 servers
[10:44] <jeanluc> yes its handy now help me with mp3's please
[10:44] <tommy> mybe is sound card
[10:44] <apokryphos> jeanluc: so they do play...
[10:44] <jeanluc> its not
[10:44] <tommy> maybe
[10:44] <jeanluc> yes but I hear nothing
[10:44] <jeanluc> and my sound card work in winblows
[10:44] <nikkia> jeanluc: don't be so needy
[10:44] <uniq> nikkia: i don't like clientside things. serverside owns :) my ibook is overloaded enought as it is OK to have the thousands of mails on a server far far away :)
[10:44] <apokryphos> jeanluc: you get sound from other audio types?
[10:45] <jeanluc> yes .wav
[10:45] <nikkia> uniq, *nod*
[10:45] <jeanluc> but most of my collection is on mp3
[10:45] <nikkia> uniq, i recently turned on boxtrapper on my mail server :/
[10:45] <nikkia> uniq, even with spamassassin i was getting far too much
[10:45] <apokryphos> I used spamassassin for a friend of mine's email and it's worked well so far
[10:46] <apokryphos> no real complaints. GMail is still the best spam filter :P
[10:46] <jeanluc> yes
[10:46] <jeanluc> I agree
[10:46] <jeanluc> I love gmail
[10:46] <apokryphos> I think I've had two spam emails since I signed up
[10:46] <jeanluc> :D
[10:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: if i turn off every one of my anti-spam protections, i receive upwards of 500-1000 spams a day
[10:46] <jeanluc> all mine went in spam
[10:46] <apokryphos> nikkia: yeouch
[10:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: its the price of a 10 year old domain name
[10:46] <apokryphos> moths to the flame
[10:46] <jeanluc> but only problem some stuff that is not spam gets placed in spam folder
[10:47] <apokryphos> nikkia: good to know that they're always there for some light reading
[10:47] <uniq> nikkia: i use rblsmtpd, spamassassin and procmail to filter things..  and clamav + f-prot virus for scanning. still i get some spam.
[10:47] <nikkia> apokryphos: the really weird thing is...
[10:47] <nikkia> apokryphos: my mailboxes receive spam addressed to a demon address i used in 1994
[10:47] <apokryphos> nikkia: some determined spammers ;-)
[10:47] <jeanluc> whats a demon adress?
[10:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: and i have no idea how the two got linked, because i left demon in jan 1995 and the domain name was setup when i moved to california
[10:48] <nikkia> jeanluc: demon is a british ISP
[10:48] <nikkia> jeanluc: in the early days of the internet it was the only affordable choice for internet access in the UK
[10:49] <nikkia> (10/mo prepaid a year in advance)
[10:49] <jeanluc> ok
[10:49] <supernix> what do you use to play midi files with ?
[10:49] <jeanluc> well
[10:49] <jeanluc> in 1995 I was 2
[10:49] <jeanluc> and just learning how to use win 95 :P
[10:49] <apokryphos> tell me you're lying ;-)
[10:49] <jeanluc> no
[10:49] <jeanluc> I  havve pics to prove
[10:50] <jeanluc> brb I will go scan them
[10:50] <apokryphos> stop
[10:50] <supernix> My first PC was a Macintosh Performa 4150 as I recall
[10:50] <supernix> that was back in 94
[10:50] <nikkia> supernix: my first was a 286-12 w/1MB of ram and a paradise 512k card in 1989 :)
[10:51] <nikkia> apokryphos: do you carry them around for easy-scanning action ?
[10:51] <nikkia> apokryphos: i suspect not, ergo i do not worry so much about your sanity :)
[10:51] <apokryphos> nikkia: nope, on my site for easy-downloading action
[10:51] <apokryphos> (actually, I generally keep it on the hard-drive)
[10:51] <danie1> kubuntu rocks :)
[10:52] <apokryphos> My dad scanned around 200 old photos not too long ago. Great classics.
[10:52] <apokryphos> rocks my socks
[10:52] <danie1> um, what?
[10:53] <apokryphos> unrivalled rhyme
[10:53] <danie1> rocks with the fox, for sure
[10:54] <jeanluc> ok here is me in 1995 
[10:54] <jeanluc> http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2924/47ne.jpg
[10:54] <danie1> explain to me why the british localization of firefox is installed with kubuntu, yet firefox itself isn't
[10:54] <apokryphos> jeanluc: what are you doing, you should be in bed!
[10:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: someone has to, now they're not allowed to hunt them anymore
[10:54] <jeanluc> I  should be in bed?
[10:55] <apokryphos> jeanluc: you evidently escaped from bed (pyjamas are a key indication) to do some evil deeds on the computer
[10:55] <nikkia> apokryphos: otherwise, before you know it, we'll be building pyramids and other assorted monuments for them
[10:55] <jeanluc> yes
[10:55] <jeanluc> I stole money
[10:55] <jeanluc> when I was 2
[10:55] <apokryphos> nikkia: I kind of imagine Konqueror as an impersonal machine chasing down the foxes
[10:55] <jeanluc> when my parents were asleep
[10:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: i reckon he was downloading kiddy porn :)
[10:56] <apokryphos> ...so it gets worse.
[10:56] <apokryphos> Quite the trouble-child
[10:56] <apokryphos> nikkia: what, his classmates? =)
[10:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: classmates? age 2 ??? you lived in a harsh school area!
[10:57] <danie1> jeanluc: um, how old are you?
[10:57] <nikkia> danie1: logically, 12
[10:57] <apokryphos> at two you're old enough to learn plenty. Doing anything else is wasted time
[10:57] <apokryphos> playing? Bah!
[10:57] <apokryphos> nikkia: I don't believe him ;-)
[10:58] <danie1> i thought i was young at 14
[10:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: me neither, tbh
[10:58] <danie1> computer geeks are getting younger ;)
[10:58] <apokryphos> Linux gurus are getting older
[10:58] <jeanluc> lucy "I'm home"
[10:58] <nikkia> oh well, beastbenders time
[10:59] <supernix> man it sucks everytime I tell kaffiene to take a snapshot of a mpg video it crashes
[10:59] <apokryphos> nikkia: you mean BigBrother time ;-)
[10:59] <jeanluc> how old is everyone here?
[10:59] <supernix> 32
[10:59] <danie1> 14
[10:59] <danie1> you win
[10:59] <danie1> ;)
[11:00] <jeanluc> horray
[11:00] <danie1> barely
[11:00] <danie1> when are you going to be 14?
[11:00] <jeanluc> Who loves Microsoft Windows XP?
[11:00] <danie1> i do! i do!
[11:00] <jeanluc> inl ike 7 months
[11:00] <jeanluc> in like*
[11:00] <danie1> 15 in 2 weeks :D
[11:00] <jeanluc> w00t
[11:01] <danie1> what country?
[11:01] <danie1> france?
[11:01] <jeanluc> origanaly
[11:01] <danie1> but now?
[11:01] <jeanluc> don't speak french though
[11:01] <jeanluc> us
[11:01] <jeanluc> I live in texas
[11:02] <danie1> so why should you be in bed?
[11:02] <shogo> french here \o_
[11:02] <jeanluc> becuase
[11:02] <jeanluc> of that pic
[11:02] <jeanluc> I was in pjs
[11:02] <jeanluc> http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2924/47ne.jpg
[11:03] <danie1> ugh, all i could do on a computer when i was 5 was use ms paint :P
[11:03] <jeanluc> I was 2
[11:03] <jeanluc> :p
[11:03] <jeanluc> and  programing C++
[11:03] <danie1> in that picture?!!
[11:03] <jeanluc> and using unix
[11:03] <jeanluc> well
[11:03] <jeanluc> I could use it
[11:03] <jeanluc> and under stand what I was doing at 2
[11:03] <jeanluc> and that pic was me at 2 or 3
[11:04] <danie1> you're kidding!
[11:04] <jeanluc> no
[11:04] <danie1> i don't remember being 2 :)
[11:04] <jeanluc> me either
[11:04] <jeanluc> :S
[11:04] <danie1> yet you knew c++?
[11:05] <jeanluc> no I was kidding
[11:05] <danie1> what were you doing in the pic?
[11:05] <danie1> i see an image on the screen
[11:05] <jeanluc> playing
[11:05] <jeanluc> "ruff's bone"
[11:05] <danie1> you weren't using kubuntu, that's for sure ;)
[11:05] <jeanluc> you though a bone at a dog
[11:06] <jeanluc> and he ran and got it
[11:06] <jeanluc> I still have the cd
[11:06] <danie1> how do you win?
[11:06] <jeanluc> idk
[11:06] <jeanluc> I forgot
[11:07] <jeanluc> wow
[11:07] <danie1> my favorite game from the early 90s was lode runner
[11:07] <jeanluc> they still sell it
[11:07] <jeanluc> http://software.discoveryvip.com/Product/KIDS/KIDS INTERACTIVE STORYBOOKS/RUFFS BONE LIVING BOOKS.phphttp://software.discoveryvip.com/Product/KIDS/KIDS INTERACTIVE STORYBOOKS/RUFFS BONE LIVING BOOKS.php
[11:07] <jeanluc> http://www.kidsclick.com/descrip/ruffsbone.htm
[11:08] <danie1> you can still get lode runner, too -- a free download ("abandonware")
[11:08] <jeanluc> 207.235.152.20
[11:08] <jeanluc> 207.235.152.20
[11:08] <jeanluc> 207.235.152.20
[11:08] <jeanluc> 207.235.152.20
[11:08] <jeanluc> 207.235.152.20
[11:08] <jeanluc> 207.235.152.20207.235.152.20
[11:08] <jeanluc> 207.235.152.20
[11:09] <danie1> hey!  stop hacking me!
[11:09] <shogo> stop flooding too
[11:09] <danie1> wait, that's not my ip :)
[11:09] <danie1> you certainly act like you could hack at 2 :P
[11:10] <jeanluc> :p
[11:10] <jeanluc> that would be great
[11:11] <jeanluc> daniel
[11:11] <danie1> yes?
[11:11] <jeanluc> your ip is 24.128.249.213
[11:11] <jeanluc> and your  isp
[11:11] <jeanluc> is comcast
[11:11] <jeanluc> do you live near boston?
[11:12] <Mez> :-"
[11:13] <jeanluc> sorry mez
[11:13] <Mez> danie1, there wont be a fight
[11:13] <Mez> jeanluc, don't start one
[11:13] <danie1> ow!
[11:14] <danie1> how many kubuntu users are there in texas, jeanluc?
[11:14] <jeanluc> idk
[11:15] <jeanluc> teh guy across the street
[11:15] <jeanluc> got me into linux
[11:15] <jeanluc> he has  rhce
[11:15] <danie1> ?
[11:15] <jeanluc> redhat certified engineer
[11:15] <danie1> oooooooo
[11:15] <supernix> Could someone tell me what you can use to play midi files ?
[11:15] <jeanluc> quick time
[11:15] <jeanluc> idk
[11:16] <danie1> rosegarden :)
[11:16] <danie1> you can sequence and transpose them, too
[11:16] <danie1> receive input from digital pianos and guitars, too
[11:16] <danie1> but i think that's a little extreme
[11:17] <jeanluc> but sound card
[11:17] <jeanluc> has to have midi
[11:17] <supernix> what is sequense ?
[11:17] <supernix> I have a bunch of midi files I was wanting to listen to
[11:18] <danie1> composition -- overlap tracks, like parts of a orchestra
[11:18] <danie1> if you just want to listen, i wouldn't recommend rosegarden :)
[11:19] <supernix> I have tried kaffiene and Juk and amorak or whatever that was still no luck
[11:20] <danie1> is there a special codec?
[11:20] <danie1> idk
[11:21] <jeanluc> for midi
[11:21] <jeanluc> LMAO
[11:21] <jeanluc> no
[11:22] <danie1> jeanluc: why is that laughable?
[11:22] <supernix> every time I try to open kmidi it says there is something wrong with /dev/sequencer
[11:23] <danie1> do you have a sequencer device? :D
[11:23] <supernix> I guess not I don't know what that is 
[11:23] <supernix> is that hardware or software ?
[11:24] <danie1> it could be either
[11:24] <supernix> I looked in /dev/ and did not find anything that said sequencer
[11:24] <danie1> but i would guess that kmidi would try to create a "virtual" sequencer device
[11:25] <danie1> where did you get kmidi
[11:29] <danie1> oh, it's kmid
[11:35] <jeanluc> hi
[11:35] <jeanluc_v_2> hi
[11:35] <jeanluc> hi
[11:35] <jeanluc_v_2> whats up
[11:35] <jeanluc> not much
[11:35] <jeanluc_v_2> how come you have my name?
[11:36] <jeanluc> you stole it from me
[11:36] <jeanluc_v_2> no, i'm jean luc like in star trek
[11:36] <danie1> stop talking to yourself
[11:36] <jeanluc> well screw startrek
[11:36] <jeanluc_v_2> no its cool
[11:36] <jeanluc> negative
[11:36] <danie1> meesa want to kill you
[11:37] <danie1> wait, wrong star *
[11:38] <danie1> that's better
[11:38] <jeanluc> hi
[11:39] <jeanluc> its seth
[11:39] <jeanluc> horray
[11:41] <danie1> jeanluc: i'd say you act like an adolescent, but then i would be insulting myself ;)
[11:41] <jeanluc> then we can be together
[11:41] <jeanluc> :p
[11:42] <seth_k> ermm
[11:42] <jeanluc> damn it
[11:42] <jeanluc> still no
[11:42] <jeanluc> MP3
[11:42] <supernix> dang I just can't win
[11:42] <supernix> I can't get those darn midi files to play at all
[11:43] <jeanluc> kubuntu
[11:43] <jeanluc> is obviously bad for music
[11:43] <chris12349> actually its pretty easy
[11:43] <jeanluc> then
[11:43] <jeanluc> how do I get mp3 to work?
[11:44] <chris12349> did you install the decoders?
[11:44] <supernix> I forgot what I used I think it was Amorak or something like that to play some MP3 files
[11:44] <jeanluc> no
[11:44] <chris12349> you need to install those
[11:44] <jeanluc> where are the decoders
[11:44] <jeanluc> well which ones?
[11:44] <nikkia> chris, you're wasting your time, people have been pointing him in the right direction all day
[11:44] <chris12349> you need to learn how to search on google ;)
[11:45] <jeanluc> for mp3's
[11:45] <jeanluc> are they in kynaptic?
[11:45] <chris12349> it depends on what apt sources you have 
[11:46] <jeanluc> is it the gst ream thing?
[11:47] <chris12349> theres about a million forums / pages describing the process I think it would be best for you to go search those out.  With this OS you really need to understand what you are doing when you make changes
[11:47] <chris12349> plus you will find a lot of other good information on the way
[11:48] <jeanluc> damnit
[11:49] <jeanluc> Ineed music
[11:49] <jeanluc> :(
[11:53] <jeanluc> OK
[11:53] <jeanluc> can some one please help
[11:54] <jeanluc> I googled and found nothing
[11:55] <jeanluc> I'm done with linux if it can't play mp3s
[11:57] <gdh> jeanluc: sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[11:58] <gdh> and now, to bed. nna
[12:00] <fabietto> hello
[12:00] <chris12349> hey
[12:00] <fabietto> how are you
[12:00] <chris12349> good and you?
[12:00] <fabietto> fine tanks..
[12:02] <jeanluc> chirs
[12:02] <chris12349> yeah?
[12:02] <jeanluc> did you have to install stuff to get mp3 to work?
[12:02] <chris12349> yes it doesn't work out of the box
[12:02] <jeanluc> well
[12:02] <jeanluc> can you help me please
[12:02] <chris12349> where are you stuck?
[12:03] <jeanluc> idk where to start
[12:03] <jeanluc> I tried
[12:03] <jeanluc> gst reamer mad