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dholbachgood night everybody01:24
jpnight 01:25
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syndicatedholbach: ping02:00
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hubis there a way, as upstream maintainer, to be CC by default on some component in ubuntu bugzilla ?02:17
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schweebhub: I know you can add yourself to notifies for a certain bug02:26
hubschweeb: yeah; but I'm thinking about all new bugs for a component I'm upstream02:30
hubI know you can do that with admin rights in bugzilla02:30
schweebhub: ask mdz, probably02:31
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ficusplanetWill the hal patches for cups make it into breezy?02:35
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wasabiWouldn't a LTSP port to Ubuntu be NEAT?02:56
wasabi(thin clients boot Ubuntu over the network which autodetects hardware using current liveCD tech)02:57
wasabi(but then mount remote nfs /)02:57
Kamionthat would be what mdz's currently doing02:57
wasabiOh. Really?02:57
wasabiI'm smrt.02:58
Kamion      ltsp |       0.43 |        breezy | source02:58
Burgundaviawasabi, the future versions of LTSP are going to be built on Ubuntu02:58
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wasabiBurgundavia, that's what I mean.02:59
wasabiBurgundavia, that's slick. One of my current complaints with LTSP was that it was like a little seperatly maintained chroot thingy.02:59
wasabiBut having that itself be Ubuntu is pretty cool.02:59
Kamionit still has to be a separately-maintained chroot, but it gets easier to maintain03:00
Kamionideally, you automate the maintenance03:00
danielsKamion: shit man, can I borrow that wand?03:01
lamontdaniels: you're not getting out of xorg work that easily03:01
danielsi uploaded -35, what more do you want from me?03:01
lamontKamion: 675,844,096.... I wonder if maybe it's time to reset the i386 images.. 03:02
lamontor better yet, maybe I should really deploy sladen's hack03:02
lamonter, code03:02
daniels-36 is coming as soon as I've fixed symlink.sh to put Xvlib.h and XvMClib.h in the right spots03:02
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lamontdaniels: it's rude to upload faster that we can build, you know...03:02
lamontthen again, my buildd is walking through the gcc-* landmine field, should take it most of the day03:03
danielslamont: funny, I could've sworn you were on my case all week to upload NOW, DAMNIT :P03:03
Kamionlamont: i386 images don't need reset, surely?03:03
lamontdaniels: the first time03:03
lamontKamion: doh03:03
lamontonly the 64-bit images ever need reset03:03
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wasabiDoes LTSP handle session reestablishment?03:04
wasabiOh, LTSP is remote X server isn't it.03:04
wasabiWhich doesn't even have that.03:04
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lamonthelp me kamion-kenobi.03:05
lamonthrm... actually, I can just fetch the tarball myself.03:05
danielsxmove is the way of the future03:06
wasabihaha xmome is cool03:06
wasabibut way to hard to use.03:06
wasabiAnd it screws so much up03:06
Kamionlamont: ?03:07
bob2it does?03:07
wasabiYou are talking about the little xmove app right? not some new extension or something, right?03:07
danielsoh my god, I love zsh03:07
lamontKamion: nm.. braindead here03:07
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lamontthought something wasn't mirrored, turns out I can't type pathnames in correctly03:07
wasabiI'd like some sort of cool LTSP roaming thing... where you logged into LTSP desktop, it went out and found current login sessions on terminal servers across the network and dropped you at your current one.03:08
danielswasabi: about the little app, yeah03:09
wasabiMe and a friend are talking a lot abouta  business plan to build and sell thin clients and server setups.03:09
wasabiSo I'm talkative.03:09
danielsbut even zsh can't protect me from stupidity03:11
danielsit should know that when I type "cvs diff -u 'Add Xvlib.h, change soversion to 1.0.0.'", I mean "cvs ci -m '...'"03:11
lamontdaniels: at least it didn't involve rm -rf *03:11
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daniels'dude, are you *sure* you want to remove everything?'03:12
danielsbob2: shell history is a wonderful thing03:12
bob2except when I do the same commit 3 times in a row, with no changes between them03:12
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Amaranthdoes X work today? :)03:24
Amaranthhaven't updated anything in two weeks, this is going to be fun03:25
danielsi *think* it works03:25
danielsno-one's bitched incessantly at me yet03:25
danielsso I assuem so03:25
AndyFitzhttp://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/screenshot.png   - I love the new nautilus03:26
lamontKamion: any clue what kernel we're putting in the d-i install image for ia64?03:26
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Burgundaviadaniels, for -36 you should build a remote terminate button in, so that when people complain about it not working, you can press the big red button03:27
lamontanyway, time for this one to go home03:27
bob2that nautilus looks nice03:27
AmaranthAndyFitz: hot03:27
danielsBurgundavia: good plan03:27
tsenghaving it in list/tree view03:27
tsengand have the location bar that the same time seems a bit busy03:27
Burgundaviathat is what I want03:28
AndyFitzyeah I don't use the location bar at all by default03:28
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Burgundaviaalmost there with nautilus03:28
AndyFitzI just use the go menu03:28
tsengBurgundavia: you can do that03:28
bob2but it's an imrpvoement03:28
AndyFitzits there for bling status03:28
Burgundaviatseng, not in spatial03:28
tsengBurgundavia: uh, of course not03:28
Amaranththe new nautilus looks better than thunar03:28
Burgundaviatseng, that is spatial within the window, but with the places and toolbar03:28
AndyFitzAmaranth,  agreed.  good that they picked up the ball03:29
tsengBurgundavia: eh03:29
AmaranthAndyFitz: So how are the new icons coming along?03:29
tsengBurgundavia: if im using spatial i dont need all that crap03:29
Burgundaviatseng, basically similar to the mac os X one03:29
tsengi guess03:29
tsengi look at this as a thing for first time users03:29
tsengnot for me.03:29
Burgundaviathat is why I love the thunar stuff03:30
Burgundaviaso clean03:30
tsengwindows converts expect browser behvarior03:30
Burgundavianot really03:30
tsengnovell usability study says yes really03:30
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Burgundaviahave they put that video up yet?03:30
tsengno, i asked them to do it for mono live03:31
tsengand anna said, browser mode dudes03:31
AndyFitzI agree with tseng.  nautilus is feature full enough to give most types of file navigation  ( aside from OSX column view.    03:31
Burgundaviaanyway, I have to run03:31
Burgundaviabut we need a way out of the current spatial swamp03:32
tsengthe only swamp i know of is ubuntu spatial03:32
Burgundaviathat is what I mean03:32
tsengwell it seems pretty non-controversial that we will trade that for this: http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/screenshot.png03:33
tsengor reasonable facsimilie of03:33
tsengplaces + location bars03:33
tsengon browser03:33
Burgundaviathat isn't bad03:33
Burgundaviabut that with spatial would be nicer, IMHO03:33
tsengi think alot of people dont "get" spatial03:34
BurgundaviaI think they do03:34
tsengI do get it, and i see no reason to clutter my windows with that stuff03:34
Burgundaviathis would be single window spatial03:34
Burgundaviato be clear03:34
Burgundaviaand the window would no resize03:34
Burgundaviaor move03:34
tsengthe who what?03:34
tsengso just spatial placement03:34
tsengnot navigation03:35
tsengI see.03:35
tsengthen we are in agreement (i think all windows should be spatial)03:35
Burgundaviathat isn't clear from the thunar screenshot03:35
tsengin that respect03:35
AndyFitzif we had sexy transitions as new windows popped up .  maybe spatial would be good.    but the visual noise created by popping those windows up suddenly  with no viaul link to where they came from is irritating and in my opinion  unusable03:35
Burgundaviawell, that makes jdub, you and I that like that03:35
BurgundaviaAndyFitz, we are talking single window now03:35
tsengseb liked it03:35
Burgundavianeed some hacking03:36
Burgundaviato do single window spatial placement03:36
Burgundaviabut not much03:36
Burgundaviayou want to fire a message of to the -devel list about it?03:36
tsengi dont like list view as default still03:37
tsengandy's setup w/ icon view03:37
Burgundaviayou mean you do like?03:37
AndyFitztseng yeah default should be icon view  03:37
tsengBurgundavia: no03:37
AndyFitzand no places bar on the side 03:37
BurgundaviaAndyFitz, the places bar is quite nice03:37
Burgundaviatseng, ok03:37
BurgundaviaAndyFitz, part of the "where was I yesterday" stuff03:38
Amaranthhere goes the upgrade03:38
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AndyFitzI guess its a preference thing.  I don't use the places often enough to not want to compromse that left space for what I coulg get by going to the go> menu03:38
Burgundaviaanyway, I really have to go now03:38
tsengBurgundavia: http://tseng.ath.cx/images/Screenshot-1.png like so03:39
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AndyFitzI'm kinda cut that the finder in nautilus doesn't use the 22x22 icons like it should03:41
AndyFitzit resizes the 24x24 ones  .. grrr03:41
tsengwhy doesnt it just show the full 2403:42
AndyFitzI agree.  its a very dickie move03:42
tsengAndyFitz: i get the same thing if i set nautilus default zoom to 75%03:42
tsengAndyFitz: resizes :/03:43
Amaranthit's possible to have an icon theme change the little foot icon on the applications menu, right?03:43
tsengAmaranth: yes03:43
tsengthe "menu" one, not the "menu bar" one afaik03:43
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AndyFitzamaranth:  want me to send you the pixmap to replace the gnome foot with ?03:44
danielsinfinity: could you please kick libx{fixes,damage,composite} to rebuild?03:44
Amaranthbtw, the show desktop icon is too wide03:45
Amaranthor something, it's odd03:45
tsengi disagree03:45
tsengwide = easier to press03:45
AndyFitzits a bug.  I don't know how to fix it  ( you are talking about the icon in the applet right ?03:45
Amaranthit's getting cut off vertically though03:45
Amaranthyeah, it's not getting resized03:45
Amaranthlet me screenshot03:45
tsenglooks ok on mine afaik03:45
AndyFitzAmaranth,  sent 03:47
Amaranthif my domain name still works...03:47
AndyFitzamaranth,  yeh its scaling the icon in a weird way03:48
AndyFitzI've got 16x16 22x22 24x24  and scalable sizes  for that icon03:48
AndyFitzbut still the applet warps it 03:48
Amaranthmy domain name is registered with an email address that doesn't exist anymore with an street address i don't live at anymore and with a credit card that expired03:50
bob2call NSI and ask them politely to transfer it to you03:51
bob2and get google.com while you're at it03:51
Amaranththese icons don't really go with anything other than human03:53
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infinitydaniels : Sure.04:28
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ajf2IRC on IPv6. Heh.04:34
infinitydaniels : xorg -35's MANIFEST was broken on powerpc (but only powerpc?)04:38
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danielsinfinity: yeah, already fixed in -36, which I'm going to punt up if libxevie builds ok04:42
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danielswhich it just did04:42
infinityMmkay.  xfixes looks okay, the other two are dep-waiting on it, so it'll take a dinstall or two to see them build.04:43
wasabiuh. ok04:46
wasabiso my shift key and capslock don't work04:46
wasabiand ctrl and alt04:46
wasabithis just happened while closing a program that could have caused it 9vmware004:46
wasabihowever, one would think that with vmware gone, my keyboard would work again04:47
infinityIt remapped it on the way out?04:47
wasabibecause it would be silly for one program to be able to permanently do that.04:47
wasabiadvice/ heh04:47
wasabib rb04:48
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mxpxpodok, with breezy, bitstream vera sans at 9 point font doesn't have much difference between bold and regular04:49
mxpxpoddaniels: is there a reason for that?04:49
danielsi dunno04:49
mxpxpodwant to see a SS?04:49
danielsi'm not the fonts guy :)04:49
mxpxpodwho is?04:49
danielsgood question, actually04:50
danielsbut I really don't have in-depth knowledge of fonts04:50
mxpxpodheh, nice04:50
mxpxpodin hoary, it looked fine... breezy, it's strange04:51
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danielstry downgrading libfreetype604:52
mxpxpoddaniels: to what version?04:52
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schweebfonts are a complicated beast04:53
mxpxpoddaniels: http://www.reigndropsfall.net/images/fonts-issue.png04:56
mxpxpoddaniels: wait, let me upload it again04:56
mxpxpodmy connection is being flakey tonight04:57
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mxpxpoddaniels: ok, check it now04:59
mxpxpodschweeb: you too04:59
schweebmxpxpod: my solution, fix your dpi and/or don't use fonts smaller than 10 ;)05:00
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schweeband what are your hinting settings?05:00
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schweebI'd use best shape... slight hinting05:01
vidzIs there any way to formally request that eog be removed from ubuntu main and gthumb replace it?05:01
mxpxpodschweeb: I've got my dpi at 75... is that bad?05:03
schweebthat's what I use on my laptop05:03
schweebat 1024x76805:03
schweebprobably want something better at more reasonable resolutions05:03
vidzeog is the default image preview program for ubuntu and DOESN'T even support printing the picture!05:03
schweebsomething more in the range of 9005:04
Lathiatvidz: whats better05:05
Lathiatgthumb wont open a file right up if you open it with it05:05
Lathiatit opens the directory05:05
mxpxpodschweeb: yeah, I've got a 12" 1024x768 too...05:05
schweebmxpxpod: looks fine for me, albeit I don't  use evo05:06
vidzLathiat: yes it will05:06
mxpxpodschweeb: what size font do you use?05:06
vidzLathiat: Thats how I set this computer up05:06
schweebfor everything05:07
schweebBitstream Vera05:07
vidzLathiat: Right click on a jpg -> Properties -> Open With -> Add. type gthumb and then it will open all jpgs up. Not the directory05:07
mxpxpodschweeb: aha! if I set Hinting at medium, bold works fine05:08
mxpxpodthanks for that tip05:08
mxpxpodhaha, yahoo mail is messed up tonight05:10
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danielslamont-away: sorry dude05:15
infinitydaniels : You need to tighten build-deps in xcomp, it looks like.05:24
infinitydaniels : If it requires a specific xdamage...05:24
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fabbionedaniels: + Hardware support for motion compensation (i.e., libI810XvMC) has05:38
fabbione       disappeared for the time being.  Not that anything used it anyway.05:38
fabbionemeh dude...05:38
fabbionedo you realize that there are a bunch of pkgs using it?05:38
fabbionebut they fail to find it at configure time because of all the changes between xfree86 and xorg?05:39
lamont-awaydaniels: feh05:39
fabbionehey lamont05:39
fabbionedaniels: iirc almost all the players that can use XvMC are able to recognize the i810 extension.. or at least they try to :)05:40
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danielsfabbione: ah well.  it'll come back soon enough.05:43
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jc_cis there any chance that the current sk98lin driver in the kernel would be replaced by the newer skge? That would be a cool thing since sk98lin doesn't support link detection, and therefore may not work peacefully with NetworkManager...06:08
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jc_coh nevermind, I just noticed that breezy does indeed use skge :p06:14
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seth_kso did anyone ever decide, do we use malone or bugzilla?06:37
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lifelessseth_k: motu is malone06:46
lifelessmain is stull bugzilla06:46
seth_kthank you06:47
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fabbionedaniels: what's you ETA to complete Xorg split?06:50
danielsfabbione: completely?06:51
fabbionedaniels: we have tons of pkgs that are FTBFS due to the split and i think the MOTU's will like to know when they can start fixing the B-D06:51
danielsthey can start any time they like?06:51
fabbioneprobably some pkgs in main are in the same status06:51
danielsi'm doing most of the rest of the libs now06:51
fabbionedaniels: most of the FTBFS are due to missing includes and linking libs... so it needs to be done after you have finished with the libs :)06:52
danielsit's always been that if you add -I/usr/X11R6/include and make sure your includes are <X11/foo.h> or <X11/extensions/foo.h>, then everything will work06:52
danielsboth now and when I'm totally finished06:52
danielsbut, that being said, I hope to be done with most of the libs that everyone uses very soon06:52
danielsi've done about 8 in the last couple of days, and hoping to get through another 5 today06:52
fabbionethan it's worth to wait a couple of days06:53
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fabbionehey pitti07:40
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tepsipakkimarilize: hi08:24
tepsipakkimarilize: I asked you about those hoary-cd's08:24
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Amaranthdaniels: you're making symlinks back to /usr/X11R6/?08:34
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danielsAmaranth: huh?08:36
Amaranthdaniels: symlinking things to where they used to be in /usr/X11R6/08:36
danielsAmaranth: not if I can help it08:37
Amaranthoh ok, i must have misunderstood08:37
marilizetepsipakki: hi08:37
Amaranthso the goal is to completely remove /usr/X11R6/08:37
marilizetepsipakkie:email address?08:38
Amaranthdaniels: is /usr/bin/X11/ the final destination for X binaries or are they going straight to /usr/bin/?08:39
danielsAmaranth: straight to /usr/bin; /usr/bin/X11 is a symlink to /usr/bin08:40
danielsso they'll be accessible via /usr/bin/X1108:40
tepsipakkimarilize: tjaalton@cc.hut.fi08:41
Amaranthdaniels: is there a wiki or something that explains all of this?08:41
Amaranththe end goal was a 1:1 mapping between modules and distro packages, right?08:41
danielsAmaranth: 'my head'08:41
danielsAmaranth: yeah08:41
Amaranthwell, don't leave your house08:42
Amaranthyour head doesn't accept input after it's been hit by a bus :P08:42
danielscrucially, it doesn't output at all08:43
Amaranthno output is better than garbage output08:43
marilizetepsipakkie: ok, see it08:44
Amaranthdaniels: is there a wiki that explains what X.org is doing?08:44
Amaranthdaniels: I think you've sent me to it before.08:44
marilizetepsipakki: do you want to adjust QTY08:45
Amaranthi mean what they're roadmap is08:45
Amarantherr, their08:45
tepsipakkimarilize: yes, but don't have them now. You haven't sent them yet?08:45
danielsAmaranth: http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/ModularizationProposal, IIRC08:45
Amaranth"You no longer have to build and install the entire tree just to work on one small part of it." <--yay!08:47
danielsyou no longer have to build and upload the whole frigging tree to fix a single typo <- HOLY CRAP YES08:49
marilizetepsipakki: will go out within the next day or two.....08:49
Amaranthdaniels: exactly08:51
Amaranthdaniels: that right there is reason enough to do it08:51
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danielsi did a bit of work on the debian xorg packaging today08:51
danielsi'd forgotten how much building the fonts sucked08:51
daniels(ironically, the bug I was fixing was in building Xprint -- go figure)08:52
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Amaranthbut let's pretend i laughed08:52
danielsbecause I've been working on killing Xprint, and did in Ubuntu08:53
danielsand now we get xorg into Debian, the first bug I have to fix is about XPrint08:53
Amaranthcan't kill Xprint in debian?08:53
danielsno, sadly08:53
danielscan't make the same kinds of arbitrary decisions I can in Ubuntu08:53
danielseven though it's only semi-arbitrary (it really, really sucks)08:53
AmaranthWhy is it needed then?08:54
Burgundaviadaniels, that is simultaneously the biggest flaw and the biggest asset of debian08:56
AmaranthBurgundavia: a fiefdom?08:56
Burgundavianot being able to make arbitrary decisions08:57
Amaranththat's because it's a fiefdom though08:58
Burgundavianot really08:58
Amaranthwell, maybe not in this case08:59
Amaranthbut if i own a package i can shut down anything you'd ever want to do with it08:59
Amaranthwhich is great but also awful08:59
Burgundaviamore group ownership is needed08:59
Amaranthneed some way to override package owner09:00
danielsAmaranth: xprint isn't needed at all -- hence why it's not in ubuntu09:11
Amaranthdaniels: someone somewhere _might_ want it so it stays in debian?09:12
danielspretty much09:12
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fabbioneinfinity: you around?09:34
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danielsinfinity: nevermind, just realised the binaries need NEWing.09:51
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\shwow...what gras did daniels smoke when god created xorg?09:59
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tepsipakkiwho is hosting backports.ubuntuforums.org? it seems to be down10:02
\shtepsi: we don't have to do anything with bugports..please ask on this forumwebpage10:03
Burgundaviaor in #ubuntuforums10:04
daniels\sh: hm?10:04
Lathiatheh bugports10:05
\shdaniels: the comments are quite weired...flying cars, largest binary ,-) looks like my "koelsch" moved into your finger ;)10:06
\shand now I'm searching the ip address of the netapp10:06
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sivangmoring all10:07
sivangmorning, even10:07
fabbioneinfinity: piiing?10:08
daniels\sh: they probably make more sense if you're a native English speaker10:09
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Burgundaviaogra, it is the ubuntuguide, what do you expect?10:10
Nafalloogra: morning :-)10:10
sivangmorning ogra 10:11
ograBurgundavia, but thats information i really wouldnt expect there....and i'm wondering about the usecase...10:11
Burgundaviasomeone needed it10:11
Burgundaviasome it got rit10:11
Burgundaviaso it got rit10:12
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fabbioneinfinity: unping10:16
\shdaniels: can be10:19
ogra"Usually when I fill crap bug reports, Sbastien is there10:19
ograto correct me, maybe he sent you ?! ;o)"10:19
ograubuntu-users is to funny today ...10:20
\shogra: dilys is for malone what?10:20
ogra\sh, did you already meet her ?10:20
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ogra\sh, /join #ubuntu-bugs and wait....10:21
ograshe tells you nice things about new bugs ;)10:21
\shogra: wonderful...red hair, green eyes and reporting new bugs..she's married? ;)10:22
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ogra\sh, dunno, kiko knows her personally, but i heard she looks very good *g*10:22
Simira\sh : to malone, maybe?10:23
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ograseb128, sad, now i have to qoute again, didnt know you werent here yet10:23
ogra"Usually when I fill crap bug reports, Sbastien is there10:23
ograto correct me, maybe he sent you ?! ;o)"10:23
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seb128ah ah10:26
seb128who said that ?10:26
ograseb128, vincent trouilliez in ubuntu-users ;)10:26
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ograivoks bashed him a bit because he expected a bug to be fixed after 3 days, that was his answer....10:28
\shI'm deleted all my effords to build ace for gcc410:28
ogra\sh, nothing at redhat ?10:28
danielsseb128: i think you need to be more nice to our users10:28
\shogra: debian maintainer is working on new packages with new upstream10:28
ogra\sh, so with luck we get them into breezy then...10:29
\shogra: but he's busy now, cause he's moving from a to b next to c and doesn't have time to work on it10:29
\shand ace is a piece of package crap...10:29
ograhmm, we should have better local presence... then we could just send out a team of MOTUs doing the moving and he could fix the package *g*10:30
\shogra: not a bad idea..MOTUSports will be created ,-)10:32
ograhehe.... but with a big note that it is not about sports games :)10:32
jsgotangco*snaps fingers*10:32
seb128daniels: he, I'm nice with users!10:33
danielsseb128: apparently not :P10:33
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seb128bah, this guy ... :)10:34
danielsseb128: really I love you10:34
danielsseb128: i just also want my panel to work10:34
seb128the issue is still here with the current version and dropping the .session ?10:35
danielshaven't seen it in a while, to be honest10:35
ograBurgundavia, thatnks for closing the backports bug for me :)10:35
Burgundaviaogra, np10:35
Burgundaviaogra, I like to stomp on backports users filing bugs, it is fun!10:36
seb128daniels: ah, nice10:36
ograhey ajmitch 10:36
seb128daniels: "/usr/bin/xvfb-run: line 146: Xvfb: command not found" ... is that a xvfb bog, or just me using it wrong ?10:36
sivangseb128: any news from jamesh ? He hasn't responded to my email yet10:36
seb128sivang: nop10:36
seb128jamesh: ping?10:36
ajmitchseb128: you asked if I was here, a number of hours ago?10:37
seb128ajmitch: yeah, I don't get what you synced from Debian for anjuta10:37
seb128ajmitch: according to the diff, nothing out a changelog entry10:37
ajmitchlet me check, I did a few of them quite awhile ago10:37
seb128s/a changelog/of a changelog/10:38
ajmitchseb128: right, so the changes should have been dropped, my mistake10:39
seb128ajmitch: k, so I can ask a sync, thanks10:40
danielsseb128: gnar10:43
danielsseb128: i mean, that's really awesome10:43
daniels  * Add proper paths to xvfb-run (thanks, Sbastien Bacher).10:44
danielsyour name's correct, yeah?10:44
seb128thanks :)10:44
Amaranthdoes IRC not allow  in NAME?10:46
TreenaksAmaranth: no10:46
Amaranthoh, it's USER10:48
Amaranthbut yeah10:48
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sivanghas anyone seen pitti ?10:54
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ograsivang, he's in HEL10:56
ograsivang, only around for short periods from time to time10:56
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Burgundaviaogra, your answer was very word10:57
ograBurgundavia, yes, it starts to annoy me...10:58
Burgundaviabut you got the info across, so that is all that matters10:59
Burgundaviabeen thinking about the ubuntu device database UI10:59
Burgundaviathe first page could use some help10:59
Burgundaviashould I file bugs or just email you?11:00
ografile bugs... i'll start the new client soon and grab them all to work along11:00
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danielsseb128: p.fd.o: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/alanc?entry=can_gnome_startup_time_be11:16
danielsHOLY SHIT11:17
danielsseb128: PLEASE PACKAGE COWBELL NOW11:17
danielsseb128: http://www.more-cowbell.org/11:17
TerminXis the alsa mixer settings not being restored on boot a known issue?11:19
sivangdaniels: phee, looks cool11:19
sivangogra: HEL ?11:24
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ograsivang, debconf11:27
sivangogra: oh11:31
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seb128daniels: we use LDFLAGS optimizations for most of the GNOME packages11:35
seb128daniels: and rhythmbox is better :p11:36
danielsseb128: cool11:36
danielsseb128: er, dude?  rhythmbox doesn't do tagging11:36
seb128it does if you turn the configure option for that11:36
seb128it's known to have some issues, but I'm considering turning it on and bugging upstream to get these issues fixed11:37
danielsah, crazy11:37
danielsbut cowbell is lovely anyway11:37
danielscan we please have it? :)11:37
seb128daniels: and the current Ubuntu version does audio CD recording :)11:38
danielscome on, I fixed your xvfb-run bug in like thirty seconds11:38
danielsseb128: awesome!11:38
ogradaniels, put it on UiverseCandidates, we'll find a MOTU for it :)11:38
ograUniverse even11:38
danielsbah, it needs main lovin'11:38
danielsapparently I had 30GB of hoary chroots11:40
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thomasvsanyone here have an idea why current hoary gtk-doc is back to accessing the network when building docs ?11:43
Lathiatthomasvs: iirc it grabs some schemas or whatever their called11:44
Lathiatfor xml style stuff11:44
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seb128thomasvs: you have a DTD on http which is not listed by the local xml catalog?11:47
Lathiatthats what i was trying to say11:49
thomasvsseb128: well, it's one of our buildslaves, administered by someone.  does he need to install a dtd package ?11:50
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daniels------- Additional Comments From seb128@ubuntu.com  2005-07-12 10:46 UTC -------12:04
danielsThis bug is fixed with this upload which uses "Manuel Pages":12:04
danielsare they from barcelona?12:04
seb128daniels: hum, I kind of made a typo here :p12:04
seb128the upstream version is correct :)12:04
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danielswin 2312:07
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ograwin 23  ?12:08
ograis that catch 22 +1 ?12:08
Lathiatogra: he left out a / for /win 23 which in irssi take syou to window 23...12:08
highvolt1geor a dyslexic win32?12:08
Treenakshighvolt1ge: no, it's an older version of win3212:08
ografrom 1880 ?12:08
Treenaksogra: no, win16 is from 199012:09
ograah, yep, i forgot :) its so long ago12:09
Mithrandirwww/win 3112:09
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Mithrandirwpasupplicant fucks up my network here12:10
Mithrandirwhen I'm doing large rsyncs12:10
TreenaksMithrandir: get ALL devs to fix it together!12:11
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highvolt1gei find it nicer in irssi to press <esc>32 instead of /window 3212:26
Amaranth* libbeagle, a C library for querying the beagle daemon.12:28
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azeemhighvolt1ge: eh, doesn't that jump to window 3?12:28
highvolt1geazeem: quite right. i only have a few windows (never been to 23 in irssi).12:34
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azeemI can access the first 20 or so via alt+[1-9]  and alt+[qwerty]  and so on12:36
danielsright, that's what I do12:37
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hughsieogra: ping12:38
bob2then s-l, then through esp/xml-rpc12:38
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ograhughsie, pong12:40
hughsieogra: nice one. I've added your prelim. man sgml pages to g-p-m last night, hope you don;t mind12:41
ograhughsie, not at all... i'll send you the update from the new package then12:41
hughsieogra, cool, agaist cvs. I re-organsied them a bit too12:42
ograhughsie, oki12:42
hughsiethey still say ogra@.... for debian, but makes them a bit more neutral if you know what i mean12:42
ograhughsie, feel free to wipe my name or debian from them, i really dont care ;) its only a manpage :)12:43
hughsieogra: no, credit's where credits due!12:43
ograheh, ok...12:43
hughsieogra: now, the complicated bit.12:43
hughsiehow do I add them into the makefile.am bit?12:44
hughsieand the clean and distclean bits?12:44
ograhmm, good question... i do that in the package, never cared for manpages in Makefiles....12:45
hughsieis that a rule, or a preference?12:45
ograbut i guess something like docbook-to-man debian/gnome-power-preferences.sgml > \12:46
ogra                        gnome-power-preferences.112:46
hughsiein Makefile.am?12:46
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ograand a install -m 644 gnome-power-preferences.1 should do it12:46
hughsieif i was using a Makefile, i would agree, but makefile.am makes it more complicted12:47
hughsieWould i use install-data-local: ?12:47
ograsounds good12:47
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\shhmmm....did anybody test todays breezy install iso?01:02
Kamionnot yet01:03
\shlooks like...initrd-tools it stops at install stage01:04
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Kamiongenerally signals debootstrap failure, errors don't seem to be caught quite properly earlier01:05
KamionI'll sync up and have a look01:05
Kamionwhich arch?01:05
Amaranthwow, bram cohen's blog is awesome01:05
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pefIf I correct a bug in a package, then I upload it's source to revu, the .deb will be automatically make ?01:11
hughsieogra: gnome-power-manager.1: gnome-power-manager.sgml01:12
hughsiedocbook2man $? && mv gnome-power-manager.1 $@01:12
hughsieogra: easy when you know how!01:12
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infinityUgh.  What's a polite way to say "your stuff is utter crap"?01:13
infinityAlso, -EWIN.01:13
Lathiat"your stuff is utter crap"01:13
infinityLathiat : Thanks.01:13
Lathiatno problems01:13
Lathiatglad to be of service01:13
mdkeMez, Seveas, ping01:14
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seb128kubuntu guys, any reason to not assign KDE bugs to kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com ?01:17
Seveasmdke, pong01:17
Mezmdke: sup?01:17
seb128that would make easier to list unassigned bug (debzilla ones)01:18
mdkeSeveas, Mez hang on one moment, i'll be with ya01:18
Mezsiretart: ping01:19
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Seveas\sh, is that a long argc?01:21
\shwhy someone is filing a bug for a main package in malone 01:21
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Seveas\sh, because the whole main/universe and bugzilla/malone separation is not intuitive and not clear for new users01:22
\shyeah...and I'm uploading main stuff cause I'm thinking it's universe stuff.../me is a noob too01:22
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\shlets see01:23
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Mezsiretart: ping01:23
\shif malone is so nice...I can click here and have a new bug in bugzilla??01:23
Mezand mdke: repong01:23
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mdkeMez, Seveas, have a read of this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4773901:25
Mez#FYI: Seveas wrote the guidelines01:27
mdkethis is not about blame01:28
Seveasmdke, the forums people like to separate themselves from the rest of the community it seems01:28
mdkeSeveas, i disagree01:29
Seveasusing their own wiki section for instance01:29
mdkeit is up to us to integrate01:29
mdkeSeveas, that wiki section was designed by Henrik and the docteam together with the forum moderators and users01:29
mdkeit is a good initiative01:29
\shanyone with main rights: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12631 can u do the fix..it's trivial and upload?01:29
Mezmdke, we're working on our own guide - but - I have no problems with UbuntuGuide - I direct people to there.01:30
bob2wow, way to fly off the handle01:30
Seveasmdke, I don't think having a separate wiki section is a good idea, why not just use the wiki as is?01:30
\shi included the debdiff..so it's easier for u :)01:30
mdkeSeveas, there are good reasons, I'll point you to them in a sec01:31
Seveasmdke, please do01:31
SeveasMez, a new guide won't be that useful01:31
Seveassince docteam is working on things like that01:31
mdkewe need to aim at integration rather than the opposite01:31
MezSeveas ;D I know that -wich is why we'll be working with the docteam :D01:31
bob2so doc unification is still going to happen?01:32
bob2good work guys :)01:32
siretartMez: pong01:33
Seveasbob2, afaik the docteam is working on this01:33
Mezsiretart: I need to send you a new public key for REVU - my comp went kaboom and I lsot all my data - had to make a new key01:33
bob2Seveas: yeah, but then there's the wiki people, and now it seems the forum people, in addition to using the forums to publish documentation, have their own wiki corner01:33
mdkeSeveas, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=33898&page=1&pp=1001:34
siretartMez: boy, you better make backups. your key is important, man01:34
bob2Mez: did you have a revokation cert?01:34
Mezsiretart : my gf wiped my USB key with my backup on.01:34
mdkebob2, the forum section on the wiki is in order to allow forum users who do not necessarily know how to use the wiki to paste information, which then gets integrated into the main wiki01:34
mdkethat is the plan01:34
Mezbob2, yes with the backup :'(01:34
siretartMez: so, go on, revoke your old key and send me a new one01:34
bob2Mez: before you send anyone else your new key, go print the cert out01:35
Mezbob2 - I'm sorting backups etc etc etc out wight now :D01:35
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Seveasall in cryptollops on different servers01:36
siretartlets please move to #ubuntu-motu01:37
mdkeMez, Seveas, we can move to #ubuntu-doc if you like01:39
Kamion\sh: chage: can't open shadow password file01:40
Kamion\sh: that seems to be what's killing it01:40
ograMez, burn your key on a CD and lock it away anywhere.... if its signed once, you dont wanna loose it ever again, its hard to get all the signs again01:40
Mezmdke - #ubuntu-nun01:40
Kamionand indeed, there's no shadow password file01:40
\shKamion: ah..good to know...I wasn't sure if it was something with my virtual machine01:40
Mezogra: I know that now :D had Phil and Riddell Sign it- I dont anymore :D01:41
Kamionthat should be impossible though, base-passwd configuration is supposed to create /etc/shadow01:41
ogra\sh, djvulibre ftbfs on amd6401:41
\shogra: hmm...ubuntu1 not...strange01:42
mdkeMez, *sigh*01:42
\shogra: logs?01:42
ograGString.h:163: error: expected ',' or '...' before '&' token01:42
ograGString.h:163: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'GBaseString' with no type01:42
\shogra: will take care about it...moment01:43
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mpt\sh: Keep trying, eventually you'll beat it02:30
mpt\sh: The big monster at the end is hard, though02:30
=== \sh is running with his sword towards the end of the internet....he can see the dragon...spitting fire..but \sh will do his job...customer^Wdragon killed...you gained 99999999 Exp for this. You reached Gods Level.
\shAnd now I can explain him how the DNS works..02:34
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ograha ha02:35
ograi thought you love it ?02:35
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\shI love my tru64...I love my solaris, I love my linux, even windows I will love, if there is no call center who will bug me with questions like "The customer said, that his domain moved since last week to a new IP address, but he can't reach it.." Yes, dear call center and customer, you should choose the right provider...a provider who knows how to update a domainname zone...first thing: increase serialnumber, second thing: don't use confixx02:37
\shI should test setop box software or byting smartcards...02:39
\shogra: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12631 <- new diff please test :)02:40
ograi'll do02:41
netdurpeople, see this http://www.netdur.info/tmp/SagatOnAction.png02:41
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netdurits something I'm developing for ubuntu... I could make it run for first time today02:45
Amaranthwhat does it do?02:52
netdurbash glade wrapper!02:52
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netduryou don't think it's cool? shell scripts have GUI?02:58
\shyeah..it's called VisualBasicScript02:59
ogranope, its called zenity03:00
JaneWwho deals with blender?03:00
schweebnetdur: use perl or python or any other scripting language that has gnome/glade/other gui  bindings03:00
ograJaneW, MOTU ?03:00
JaneWand more specifically a python interface to belnder03:00
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ograhmm, we could aks ajmitch 03:01
Amaranthnetdur: It's a neat hack, but I don't see much of a use for it.03:02
netdurAmaranth, imagine all scripts in ubuntuguide.org have GUI03:03
Amaranthanytime you need a GUI the overhead from running python or something instead of bash isn't worth much03:03
ogranetdur, thats easy done with zenity, whats the advantage of our wrapper ?03:04
ograyour even03:04
netdurzenity do dialogs only03:04
netdurmine let you use glade03:04
ograok, that makes a difference...03:05
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Amaranthhmm, odd03:08
AmaranthGtkFileChooser is showing my empty cdrw drive, my floppy drive, and ld-linux.so.2 as shortcuts in the left list03:09
netdurogra, "our wrapper"!!! are zenity you developer?03:10
ogranope, it was a typo ;) 03:10
ograi meant your wrapper03:10
Amaranthwhen can root not overwrite a file?03:12
seb128Amaranth: ?03:13
Amaranthoh, when the dir is marked read-only03:13
mr-russAmaranth: when +i is set.03:13
torkelAmaranth: when writing on a nonlocal filesystem03:13
bob2when the disk is screwed03:14
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Treenaksor a combination of the above03:14
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\shJaneW will become a MOTU?03:15
\shor did I understand something wrong? ,-)03:16
JaneW\sh LOL03:16
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JaneWthat's me 'Mistress Of The Universe' ;)03:16
\shoh uh....don't do it...I like it ,-)03:16
ograJaneW, you know such names have glue on them ? 03:19
ograand they get stick very fast :)03:20
JaneWogra: *grin*03:20
Amaranthyou mean you think we're all going to call her mistress now?03:20
\shJaneW: welcome on board :) i think dholbach will write a nice announcement03:20
Amaranthnah, i'd never call mistress that03:20
AmaranthJaneW: 03:21
JaneWno  no ... I'll leave the leather pants to you guys... ;)03:21
\shAmaranth: actually, we know our new mistress likes kids...so we're the best community for her at all ;)03:21
TreenaksJaneW: \sh is german... Germans like leather pants03:21
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\shonly bavarian guys..and bavaria != germany and munich is not the main capital of germany ,-)03:22
ogramunich is outer space03:22
Treenaks\sh: I heard it's that way in/around Leipzig as well03:22
\shoh yeah and ogra likes some special kind of leather pants :) 03:22
Treenaks\sh: and Leipzig != Bavaria03:22
\shthat's behind the wall...,-)03:22
Treenaks\sh: so?03:23
ograTreenaks, way more south03:23
ograTreenaks, nearly bayern ;)03:23
\shI've never been to the eastern part of germany...it's a black hole on my map of germany03:23
Amaranthi spent the money for harry potter on my domain name03:24
Amaranthstupid domain name03:24
ogra\sh, its really beautiful03:24
\shogra: yeah...I want to go to Usedom someday...03:24
Treenaks\sh: maybe because of your age :P03:24
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\shTreenaks: honestly speaking: it was a real problem for me to accept this change in our (german) history...but finally, I know now some really nice people out there :)03:25
ograTreenaks, helping dholbach to find a flat ?03:26
\shTreenaks: really? when? beginning or end of septembre?03:26
Treenaksogra: well no.. but he said he'd be there in the same weekend03:26
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Treenaks\sh: very beginning (3-6)03:26
Treenaksogra: and maybe sivang too03:26
\shwooo...I know where I'm staying some days :)03:26
ograTreenaks, yes, i heard sivang wants to visit germany03:26
\shTreenaks: I have some free days, 14 days actually03:27
Treenaksmini-meet! ;)03:27
\shmini-meet with mini-meat? :) currywurst ,-)03:27
Treenaks\sh: und Bier :)03:27
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\shTreenaks: hehehe...for sure...and I think dholbach will join and forget his move easily ,-)03:30
Treenaks\sh: ;)03:31
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\shogra: think u have to visit berlin as well ;)03:31
ogra\sh, unlikely03:31
ogra\sh, you dont know dholbach :)03:31
\shogra: so expensive?03:32
Treenaksogra: what's unlikely? the forgetting or the visiting part?03:32
ogra\sh, yes, i'll have to... my best friend lives there, but we didnt meet for 7 years now03:32
ograTreenaks, the forgetting03:32
Treenaksah :)03:32
\shogra: so this is setteled03:32
\shogra: so..we need a barrel?03:33
ograbut i doubt edubuntu will leave me time for travelling before release03:33
Treenaks\sh: yes, but which day (I want to do some touristy things as well, such as walk around on the Pariser Platz etc.03:33
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\shTreenaks: i will join u...the last time I went to berlin, it was 199503:34
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\shTreenaks: and I didn't see anything only the fair and a austrian restaurant next to our hotel...and from those tourist things I saw only the girls from the hostess services which were booked by the fair administration03:36
\shso berlin is a black hole, too03:36
Treenaks\sh: let me guess, inside the hotel room?03:36
\shTreenaks: no...there was a party sponsored by fair administration...03:36
Treenaks\sh: ah ok03:36
\shTreenaks: ah...*ping* now :) sorry...I think hostess services is the wrong word03:37
Treenaks\sh: well, I really want to see the "landmarks", and just walk around aimlessly ;)03:37
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pefcould someone have a look to http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=118 please , thanks !03:53
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truluxpitti: heya03:54
truluxpitti: how's debconf5?03:54
pittitrulux: great03:54
Amaranthpef: wrong channel :)03:54
truluxpitti: tell us :D03:54
pittitrulux: many people, nice uni and nice wheather03:54
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pefAmaranth: #ubuntu-motu is more adequate ?03:55
truluxpitti: take photos :)03:55
Amaranthpef: yeah03:55
pefok ;)03:55
pittitrulux: I have been very lazy wrt taking photos so far, but I'll do some :-)03:57
truluxpitti: I have some of LSM 200504:02
truluxpitti: http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/photos/lsm-2005/img030.jpeg.html <- Misery Bar :D04:02
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truluxpitti: http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/photos/lsm-2005/img042.jpeg.html <- on the police station building wall :)04:03
truluxdoko: hey04:03
truluxdoko: SSP got mainline04:03
truluxdoko: now we don't have reasons to be against it's deployment04:04
truluxpitti: did you know such great news?04:04
pittitrulux: SSP is in gcc head now?04:04
Treenakswhat's SSP?04:04
pittiTreenaks: compile-time stack buffer overflow protection04:04
Treenakspitti: cool04:05
pittiStack Smash Protector IIRC04:05
truluxpitti: yeah, lemme get you the link04:05
truluxjust a sec04:05
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truluxpitti: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2005-07/msg00069.html04:05
truluxpitti: libssp is now Red Hat's approach too04:06
pittitrulux: that's just great news - apparently there's both ssp and fortify04:07
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truluxpitti: I'm also going to send the bounty prop. as soon as I finish a patch for SELinux I've been working for a month or so04:08
truluxpitti: also I hope to work on some vsec stuff and contact back the dude from Singapore who was working on some vsec improvements04:08
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seb128cool, wxwidgets2.6 has been uploaded to Debian04:27
ograi just talked to JaneW about SPE packages.....04:28
ograthey are lying on my disk since ages... waiting for wx 2.604:29
ograluis_, a python IDE04:29
seb128luis_: is libgnomeservice something that should be packaged now?04:29
ograwith obviousy great blender support04:29
luis_seb128: I didn't get a chance to build it last night04:30
luis_seb128: so I can't say04:30
seb128luis_: k04:30
seb128luis_: if that's something we want to consider for GNOME 2.12 I'll put packages with a patched gnome-session on my webpage04:30
luis_seb128: it certainly resolves a big management problem04:32
luis_in that it (in theory) allows you to drop one file in one place and get it started with the session04:32
luis_which gnome has (pathetically) never really supported04:32
seb128luis_: yeah, I know, that would be great for distribution for stuff like update-manager04:33
seb128luis_: just have to ship the .desktop with the package04:33
FiretechI just found a thing that would be great for newbies if it came with ubuntu by default... GNU Source Installer: http://www.gnu.org/software/sourceinstall/04:34
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luis_so it seems like if rodrigo thinks that it will be ready for that purpose, you guys might want to consider shipping it regardless of whether or not it is officially in 2.1204:34
seb128luis_: right04:34
seb128I'll ping jdub about this04:34
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carstenhFiretech: and who patches it to generate packages and call dpkg -i packagename?04:40
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Firetechcarstenh: it is made to have it's own source "repository", it doesn't have to use .deb's04:41
FiretechThat would be a good idea though... patch it to use checkinstall or something...04:42
carstenhFiretech: i don't think encouraging newbies^someone to install software without using the package-system provided by the distribution they use i a good idea04:42
infinityFiretech : I'm not sure how "tool to manage compilation and installation of source packages" could ever possibly be "a good thing to include by default for newbies".04:43
infinityFiretech : We provide a binary packaged system that Just Works specifically so users DON'T have to do this.04:43
infinity(not that it isn't perhaps a cool tool/idea, and something I'd like to see tossed in Universe)04:43
Firetechinfinity: there are packages that arent in the repositories...04:43
carstenhFiretech: and newbies don't knbow them normally04:44
infinityFiretech : Yes, there are, and having a tool in main, installed by deault, that encourages users to install those source packages is NOT a good idea.04:44
\shFiretech: you're invited to join MOTU and help us to increase 15000 packages to the highest ammount ever04:44
infinityFiretech : It's unsupportable, and can lead to serious breakage.  But it would be a great tool in Universe.04:44
carstenhFiretech: as infinity already siad, it may be usefull in universe04:45
\shinfinity: what tool do u mean? portage is for gentoo ,-)04:45
Firetech\sh: I haven't learnt myself how to make deb's without an existing debian folder yet :/04:45
\shFiretech: well...dh_make :) helps and #ubuntu-motu :)04:45
pefFiretech: they are very cool ;)04:45
Firetechpef: the MOTU guys?04:47
\shyes we're 04:48
pefFiretech: yep, very helpfull with beginners04:48
infinityMuch more so than grumpy people like me, I'm sure. :)04:48
Firetechsourceinstall is more a cool idea than a tool, because it's not very nice to look at ;)04:49
infinityGNU is not known for their pretty GUIs...04:50
\shinfinity: u would make a really good MOTU :) and with JaneW as Mistress Of The Universe...those whip producers will increase their income easily ,-)04:50
Firetechit works pretty well and has a GUI control for the ./configure phase04:50
ajf6just look at their website04:50
infinityThough, others have been known to take GNU tools and make them look less crap.04:50
\shautoconf/automake as an example ;)04:51
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Firetechhow do I know if a packagse shopuld be single or multiple binary?04:52
ajf6multiple binary will set you up to generate several packages04:54
infinityFiretech : If it's a client/server that should be logically split up, if it's a binary and libraries that should be split up, blah blah.04:54
ajf6for something like SSH, it'll do ssh-client and ssh-server debs04:54
infinityFiretech : If there are multiple libraries that don't share a common SOVERSION, always split them up (or you'll end up having to do so later, with much hassle)04:54
Firetechit's for sourceinstall, I don't think it has anything else than one binary and a symlink to that binary04:55
infinityWell, then it's pretty obviously a single binary package.04:56
Firetechwhat is a multi binary package then?04:58
infinityOne source package that produces multiple binary (.deb) packages.04:59
infinityLinke, mysql-dfsg produces mysql-server, mysql-client, libmysqlclient12, mysql-common, etc.04:59
infinity(For instance)04:59
Firetechwhat file contains the dependencies?05:01
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Firetechnm, found it05:02
infinityNote that you shouldn't hardcode dependencies on libraries, dpkg-shlibdeps will magically figure those out for you at build-time.05:03
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Firetechit depends on some packages that it doesn't seem to find...05:04
Firetech"expectk" is required and "ncompress" is recommended05:05
infinityOh, yeah, it won't magically find non-library packages.  Those, you need to specify. :)05:05
Firetechdidn't read your post correctly :P05:05
Firetechhow do I know if it needs some more packages?05:06
FiretechI need to get a clean chroot, right?05:07
\shFiretech: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto05:07
infinityIdeally, you should try building in a clean chroot (to get the build-deps right), then installing/running in a clean chroot (to make sure the deps are alright)05:07
infinityYou can use pbuilder for the former, but it's not so easy for the latter.  I prefer to just debootstrap a chroot to work in.05:08
infinitybindmount /tmp into your chroot, and you can run X apps in the chroot, connecting to the X server in the base system.05:08
Firetechwell... sourceinstall doesn't require much building... make didn't do anything...05:09
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Lathiatfabbione: is it ok to file bugs for 2.6.1205:12
Lathiatmjg59: this is relevant to you too, my usb stops working when i suspend (worked in .10 and i think earlier.12) 05:12
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mjg59Lathiat: Hmm. Ok.05:13
nomedhi .. just a question05:13
nomedwhy alsaconf is not in hoary ?05:13
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Lathiator not05:14
Lathiatthats fully weird05:14
Lathiatspecifically my wireless mouse dongle doesnt work05:14
=== Lathiat uh
Lathiatif i reboot.. it works05:14
Lathiatlet me try that agian.. brb05:14
Lathiatit just doesnt show up in dmesg at all05:14
Lathiatthe other stuff does tho05:14
=== Lathiat puzzles
Lathiatand i tried swapping ports05:14
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Lathiatmjg59: might have something to do with usb1.1 vs usb2.205:18
Lathiatcus it works after reboot05:18
Firetechhow much space should I make for a clean hoary chroot?05:19
Kamionabout 350MB for base system, plus whatever development packages and scratch space for building things you think will be necessary05:20
Lathiatmjg59: yeh that would seem to be th emagic05:21
Lathiatmjg59: if i plug it into my usb hub, which come sup under ehci (rather than uhci)05:21
Lathiatmjg59: it then works (and ehci reports the mouse too)05:21
Lathiatmjg59: if that helps..05:21
FiretechKamion: about 500 then?05:21
mjg59So it works with the hub, but not with the internal sockets?05:22
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Lathiatmjg59: yeh, on the internal sockets05:24
Lathiatuhci seems to handle it05:24
Lathiatperhaps cus my dongle is usb1.1 where as my hub is usb2 and ehci handles that05:25
Lathiatnot that i know the difference between ehci and uhci05:25
Lathiatbut if i plug the usb1.1 mouse dongle into the usb2 hub it comes up as low speed under the ehci driver05:25
Lathiatso assumedly the uhci driver is going splat05:25
mjg59Ok, so run this past me again05:25
mjg59If you suspend/resume, it only works if it's plugged into the hub, not the internal sockets?05:26
KamionFiretech: really just depends on how much you're going to do in it. My Breezy development chroot on this machine is 1.7GB, but I did an LTSP chroot build inside that ...05:26
mjg59If you rmmod/modprobe uhci-hcd, does it redetect it?05:26
Firetechinfinity: you said something about bindmounting. how to do that?05:26
FiretechKamion: It's LVM, so it doesn't really matter right now ;)05:27
Lathiatmount -o bind /source /target05:27
Lathiatmjg59: yep05:27
Lathiatmjg59: so uhci driver is just broken on mjy hardware and not re-initing after suspend properly05:27
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Lathiatfairly sure it worked in .10 and earlier 2.6.12, i can test that later on if you like05:27
Lathiatfwiw, im suspending to ram05:28
jbaileyKamion: ping?05:29
Kamionjbailey: pong05:29
jbaileyKamion: Where's the best place to report the an install from last night's daily on i386 fails for me?05:29
Firetechshould I use "--variant=buildd" for debootstrap if I plan to use it to check build-dep's and dependencies for new deb's?05:29
Kamionjbailey: under "known bugs"? :-) Did it fail on debootstrap?05:30
jbaileyConfiguring 'base-installed' failed with error code 105:30
jbaileySo probably.05:30
KamionFiretech: you can if you like but it doesn't really matter, just install build-essential after building the chroot05:30
Lathiati wish what ever writes to .xsession-errors wouldnt stop logging 05:31
Kamionjbailey: right, I think my shadow merge should've fixed that, I'm just waiting for cron.daily to build a new set of CDs05:31
Lathiatwhen too much data is in there05:31
Lathiatwonder if i can change that05:31
Kamionjbailey: not 100% sure though05:31
Kamionjbailey: it's down to adduser now requiring /etc/shadow to be present05:31
infinityAnd why on earth does it do that?05:31
infinitySystems without shadow passwords are perfectly valid.05:32
jbaileyKamion: Ah, cool.  Do we really produce new CDs at each cron.daily run? 05:32
jbailey(Isn't that like 24 times a day)?05:32
Lathiatcron.daily is daily... once a day.05:32
Kamionjbailey: no no, I meant "I'm just waiting for cron.daily before I build a new set of CDs"05:32
infinityNo, the daily cron.daily, not the katie cron.daily. :)05:32
Lathiatcron.hourly is hourly05:32
KamionLathiat: not on the archive it's not05:32
LathiatKamion: ah05:32
Lathiatwho thought of that up?05:32
jbaileyKamion: ah, okay. =)05:32
KamionLathiat: it's cron.daily in Debian; we run the same things more often05:33
infinityLathiat : The Debian archive runs certain tasks in cron.daily.  Ubuntu does it more often, but the nomenclature stuck.05:33
KamionLathiat: if you like, you can look at it as a 30-minute-long day05:33
jbaileyKamion: Anything I can usefully help with?  I'm getting lvm on my laptop so that I can beat it with initramfs.  Otherwise I can go onto another task until the next dailies show up.05:33
Kamionwell, on this particular task, a debootstrap of really-really-current breezy from after the next archive.ubuntu.com pulse would be a good check, I suppose05:34
KamionI should start switching d-i over to initramfs05:34
jbaileyKamion: I can easily do ppc or ia64.  My i386 breezy laptop needs to wait until it works before I get much further. =)05:35
jbaileyUnless there's a netinst option on the CDs that I can use?05:35
Kamionthere are netboot mini.isos05:35
jbaileyAh, cool.  I hadn't seen those in the daily list.05:36
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Kamioninfinity: it calls chage to fiddle with password expiry; password expiry information is only stored in shadow05:36
LathiatKamion: heh, 30-minute day :)05:36
Kamionjbailey: they're only in the {daily-,}installer-* bits of the archive, not on cdimage05:36
infinityKamion : adduser has default password expiry now?05:37
Kamioninfinity: no, it was a bug fix - apparently adduser --system accounts used to expire if you had password expiry set up05:37
lamont__daniels: ping05:37
Kamioninfinity: so adduser --system now cranks the expiry time back up05:37
infinityKamion : But this means that adduser now depends on shadow always being enabled.  What happens in the case when a user explicity disables shadow passwords?.. adduser just blows up?05:38
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lamont__Lathiat: more to the point, the name of the katie script that debian runs every day is 'cron.daily'05:41
lamont__and that script runs at :03 and :3305:41
lamont__(in ubuntu)05:41
Lathiatyeh, i got it :)05:41
lamont__it's all part of ubuntu's secret to success... you see, with a 30 minute day, we actually release every 12 years, not every 6 months. :-)05:42
Kamioninfinity: I think chage is being fixed05:42
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infinityKamion : Before we release? :)05:43
Kamioninfinity: hope so :)05:43
lamont__ /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lssl305:45
lamont__bad thundermug05:45
fabbionehey lamont05:45
fabbionelamont__: i got willy to install the packages i needed in the breezy chroot on f1105:46
fabbionebut there is some gcc screw up05:46
lamont__you mean like gcc not being in the archive yet for breezy/hppa?05:46
fabbioneit looks like gcc-3.4-hppa is completely missing all the new -gnu- symlinks05:46
fabbioneapparently all the B-D are there...05:46
lamont__well, it _is_ a hoary gcc-3.4-hppa64....05:46
fabbionedpkg-buildpackage doesn't complain05:46
fabbionedid add pinpoint to hoary?05:47
fabbione(i didn't check personally)05:47
lamont__pretty sure it's fixed in the current gcc-3.405:47
fabbioneand that's not uploaded yet...05:47
lamont__the USB disk my full archive was living on died last night (need to investigate that...)05:47
lamont__fabbione: the current gcc-* in the archive are all either dep-wait or ftbfs05:47
lamont__but we now have xorg there, so we can build gcc-4.005:48
lamont__and 3.405:48
fabbionelamont__: as a workaround, can i get kernel-wedge 2.0 in the hoary chroot?05:48
fabbionelamont__: up to you the way you prefer...05:48
fabbionei can wait 05:48
lamont__can I bother with it tonight/tomorrow?05:49
lamont__(12-36 hours from now, that is)?05:49
fabbione2.6.12-4.4 builds fine.. i only need to che udebs creation05:49
fabbionesure.. 05:49
fabbionelamont__: i really have no rush :)05:49
lamont__you know, we could use -4.1 :-)05:49
lamont__hrm.. or maybe we can't.05:49
fabbioneno we can't :)05:49
fabbionedon't confuse the ABI with the version....05:50
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fabbioneso i just keep incrementing the last one...05:50
fabbioneand we don't have to make extra branches :)05:51
fabbionebaz is slow enough for what we have05:51
lamont__ /build/buildd/pike7.6-7.6.27/src/interpret.c:1287: error: PIC register 'ebx' clobbered in 'asm'05:51
fabbionelamont__: we should also look at the linking with gcc problem when you have time and NOT today...05:52
fabbioneand see why it creates non-PIC code when not using ld05:52
fabbionebut that part of the toolchain is really a black hole for me05:53
lamont__sure - np05:53
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lamont__donde esta elmo, huh?05:53
fabbione.fi? ;)05:54
lamont__fabbione: tell me that jbailey didn't write _those_ makefiles too!??05:54
fabbioneoh no.. he did try to help me instead to clean them up05:54
fabbionethat's why i know that linking with gcc brings to non-PIC code :P05:54
lamont__hrm.. not much fun trolling jbailey when he's not around05:54
jbaileyI'm like the moat monster.05:55
jbaileyYou can never tell when I'm here.05:55
jbaileyiputils uploaded, patch sent upstream.05:55
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fabbionejbailey: i got iptables fixed this morning :)05:55
lamont__basically, if you can make it say 'gcc -shared' instead of 'ld -shared', with -Wl, in front of the linker specific opts for like soname, it should just DTRT05:55
fabbionelamont__: that's what we did...05:56
fabbioneand it didn't DTRT05:56
lamont__fabbione: yeah.  hrm.05:56
lamont__iz gtk bug05:56
fabbionelamont__: ehehhehe05:56
jbaileyfabbione: Thanks.05:56
jbaileyfabbione: That was going to require a serious infusion of vodka.05:56
fabbionejbailey: no problem...05:56
jbailey(Which I will provide you with next time you and I should happen to have the occasion)05:57
fabbionejbailey: no really.. i remember iptables is an interesting package...05:57
jbaileyInteresting like "May you live in Interesting times"05:57
fabbione(no vodka for me..)05:57
lamont__hrm... I wonder if it would be possible to isolate the C2H5 from the OH, and thereby avoid the PH issues that occur with excess C2H5OH intake...05:57
lamont__that'd make fabbione happy, I expect...05:57
fabbionejbailey: vodka for me is like garlic for vampires....05:57
jbaileylamont__: If you can still do chemistry, you need to consume another sample.05:58
lamont__or maybe jbailey.05:58
lamont__reminds me of an old rumcake recipe.05:58
fabbionehmm i am not too much into chem...05:58
fabbionebut that looks like alchool05:58
lamont__c2h5oh == ethanol05:59
fabbioneclose enough ;)05:59
fabbionelast time i opened a chem book was around 14 years ago05:59
lamont__too much and you change the PH of your blood a bit more than the body likes...  and then there's the aldehydes that are created by the preferred metabolic path for dealing with it.05:59
Kamionif it's still blood rather than blood-tinted alcohol, you're doing it wrong06:00
fabbioneKamion: you mean that if you still have spurious traces of blood in the alchool you are not driking enough?=06:01
lamont__actually, the highest BAL I've heard of was .55%, which was a _coherent_, angry man in the emergency room one night - he wanted to leave, was quite happy being a little bit drunk06:02
lamont__very scary06:02
Lathiatyeh my aunty works in the emergency department06:03
Lathiatshes had something similar06:03
poningruum dont you pass out way before that06:03
Lathiatponingru: not if your a hardcore alcoholic06:03
lamont__poningru: that's why it was scary06:03
lamont__.25 is very serious 'acute poisoning'06:03
Lathiatget to .7 or so and your dead06:03
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lamont__otoh, I don't think this guy's BAL ever got _below_ .2006:03
poningruhow can the liver handle shit like that06:04
Lathiatponingru: it cant, he'll live a short life06:04
lamont__liver? what liver?06:04
fabbionecya tomorrow fellas06:04
lamont__actually - with extremely high loads like that, the body runs out of the preferred enzyme for digesting alcohol and goes down gentler paths06:04
lamont__20 years ago, the treatement for methonol poisoning was IV injection of ethonol06:05
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lamont__now there's a synthetic that has a high affinity for the enzyme, without the intoxicating side effects06:05
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lamont__(the preferred enzyme turns methanol into formaldihyde - which isn't really good for living tissue...)(06:06
Lathiatheh heh06:06
lamont__so the really scary part about this guy was that at .55 he was _COHERENT_06:07
lamont__hrm... OTOH, that's kinda more off-topic than normal06:08
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tsumewhy can't ubuntu's kernel load faster on startup like Fedora?06:10
tsumeLoading the kernel for Ubuntu takes _forever_ 2 lines of .'s06:10
tsumewhile as I noticed fedora only loads about 6 dots before it starts loading. What is ubuntu building in the kernel which makes it so fat?06:11
Lathiatanyone with xorg clue about?06:12
Lathiatxnest is b0rk cus it cant find the fixed font06:12
Lathiatassumedly it hasnt got an updated config.. wherever it gets that06:12
lamont__Lathiat: assuming the fixed font is installed on the system....06:12
Lathiatwell, X wont start without it06:13
Lathiatand my main X is running06:13
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lamont__(to use the technical term)06:13
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jbaileyLathiat: There was a problem with font paths awhile ago that caused startup problems.  Are you maybe seeing the same thing?06:20
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Lathiatjbailey: i think so but with Xnest as opposed to the main server06:26
mdketsume, y006:26
Lathiatjbailey: xnest says it has its own font paths in the man page06:26
Lathiatso i assume its wrong somewhere06:26
mdkeah np06:26
Lathiatcant find where but06:26
tsumemdke: sorry :P06:27
mdkeheh no problem06:27
tsumemdke: I was going to poke mdz, but hes not here06:27
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lamont__tsume: gotta type _3_ characters before you hit tab... :)06:32
tsumelamont__: =]  I knoq06:33
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cartmananyone having problems with latest udev on breezy?07:10
cartmanseems like cdrom/dvdrom devices no longer created07:10
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hughsieogra: ping (got a minute?)07:26
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ograhughsie, sure07:26
hughsieogra: cool, hi. I see mjg59 is about.07:27
hughsiepitti said anything to you abou tthe daemon?07:27
ograhughsie, he wants to look at it if i made a package07:27
dokoogra: how do I close a bug report in malone?07:28
hughsiemjg59: ping?07:28
ogradoko, this special case didnt occur to me yet :-P07:28
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hughsiealso, ogra, what you guys think of libnotify?07:29
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ograhughsie, i heard seb128 wanted to package it soon... havent looked at it yet07:30
hughsiecool, i've just packaged it for FC407:31
hughsiereason: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.powermanager.devel/cutoff=26607:31
hughsiesorry, http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.powermanager.devel/26607:31
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ograhughsie, looks cool :)07:33
hughsieogra: does looking cool justify a new dependency?07:33
ograi think so... but i'll have to discuss it with pitti again for the main inclusion then (i guess i'll have to do it anyway since so much changed)07:34
hughsiesure, thanks. It's pretty modular, so if you start with pmscripts we can work from there07:35
hughsiebut then thats a mjg59 thing07:35
hughsiePowerManager is a pitti thing...07:35
ograyep... main inclusion/security reviews too... libnotify would need a extra review...07:36
hughsieogra: sorry :-)07:36
ograseb128, do you plan the libnotify package you talked earlier about today for main inclusion ?07:37
ograoh, that was libgnomeservice , i muddled it...07:38
ograhey doko you stole my package... i'm just done with the djvulibre testbuild, grrr07:42
hughsiedoes ubuntu have an extras equiv? what about putting it in "universe" ?07:42
ograhughsie, i cant depend on universe stuff with a package in main... i want g-p-m to be the default interface for our powermanagement... so it must be in main to enter the CD07:43
ogra...and its dependencys too07:44
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hughsieogra: gotcha07:45
hughsieogra: nice one07:45
seb128ogra: I've planed both07:45
ograseb128, yay07:45
seb128libgnomeservice and libnotify07:46
seb128and probably main both07:46
seb128gnome-applets already has some code for libnotify07:46
ograsaves me one extra main inclusion report :)07:46
seb128and maybe gnome-session will use gnomeservice for 2.1207:46
hughsiegnomeservice... hmmm... somebody got a url07:46
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seb128what about djvulibre?07:47
ograseb128, nothing... i'm fiddling on \sh's bug since this morning, every time my pbuilder has some time to build it... now doko just uploaded it.. just some lost time07:48
seb128we want a new version for evince07:48
dokoogra: it was a two character change ...07:49
hughsiedinner calls, thanks guys.07:49
seb128if somebody wants to ping the Debian maintainer07:49
ogradoko, it was ftbfs on amd6407:49
dokoogra: your bug again ...07:49
ograseb128, who ever touched it last ;)07:49
ogradoko, btw, did you note the watches in 979 ?07:53
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dokoogra: yes, I wondered why I cannot click on it ...07:58
ograhmm, yes, you can only edit it... a direct link would be nice07:59
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ogradoko, btw, you can only colse bugs in malone if you're the asignee...08:02
ograi just checked08:02
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sladenmako: how the naach do you get a LINX t-shirt?08:34
Mirvare there many ubuntu people at the debconf currently?08:40
KamionMirv: a fair number, don't know exactly08:45
sladenMirv: for some value of 'many' the answer is probably yes08:45
Burgundaviaseb128, ping08:45
Burgundaviadid a patch get dropped with the new nautilus? My desktop icons showed up again08:46
seb128since when?08:47
Burgundaviareboot this morning08:47
seb128and you have rebooted ... 6 months ago previous time?08:47
Burgundaviano idea08:47
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Burgundavia2.11.4, very odd08:48
seb128not that odd08:49
seb128but the previous changes are 10 days old or something like that08:49
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seb128have you restarted nautilus for 10 days?08:50
Burgundaviajust installed 2.11.4 yesterday08:50
seb128yeah, but when have you restarted nautilus before ?08:51
seb128is this bug since yesterday, or could it be 10 days old but you have not restarted it before?08:51
BurgundaviaI suspect it is 10 days old08:52
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seb128bah, anyway the new hal code for gnomevfs use /system/storage/ gconf keys08:52
seb128there is granularity on the volumes to list here08:52
seb128maybe you want to change these keys with gconf-editor08:52
BurgundaviaI won't bother filing a bug unless I hear about someone else having the issue, cheers08:53
seb128anyway these keys are new, maybe we want to change some default here08:54
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pittiseb128: how did the cups-hal patch work out?09:07
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seb128pitti: seems to work fine but I've not played a lot with it, just like 1 hour the day we talked about it and I've skiped to other stuff waiting for upstream discussions09:11
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MirvKamion/sladen: yes, I just though if any are going to go the Rantasauna tomorrow evening after the Suomenlinna trip09:15
Mirv(I can't really attend to much anything because of a hectic time at work, but I thought I could drop by at the sauna:)09:16
Mezsladen's buggered off ~D09:20
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\shdoko: ping09:34
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wasabiIs there a bug someplace to centralize mozilla between firefox and epiphany and whatever?09:37
wasabilibmozilla or something09:37
\shdoko: did u use my second debdiff patch? with the gcc4 patch included?09:38
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\shdoko: Jul 12 Matthias Klose  (  49) Accepted djvulibre 3.5.14-5ubuntu2 (source)09:42
\shdoko: I patched it to work with gcc 409:42
dokono, that's just the wrong dependency09:42
\shto compile ;)09:42
\shdoko: it won't compile09:42
\shi provided a patch and asked ogra to upload09:43
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\shactually I know how busy u guys are at debconf09:45
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Kamionfabbione: there's a parted release coming down the pipe with Mac RAID and LVM support; it beat UVF09:56
Kamionoh, no, it didn't beat UVF, I'm on crak09:57
KamionI might ask for an exception for that09:57
Burgundaviaseb128, which is that bug about eject and dragging to the trash?10:03
Burgundaviaseb128, nev mind10:03
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jbaileyFeh, wrong window10:26
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diamondjbailey: alan cox spent a bit of time playing with an old gaming headset with motion tracking on it. not _quite_ focus follows eyes, but with a bit of training it could work -)10:27
diamond(of course, he could still be doing so, but it's much harder to tell since his diary switched to welsh ,-)10:28
jbaileydiamond: Huh, cool.  The tech exists to do it - when I was doing a VR seminar, they were talking about the pilot system in aircrafts noticing when the pilot was looking at and providing context sensitive information on the HUD.10:28
diamondjbailey: of course you have to remember to do the info display whereever they're looking, otherwise when they glance away to see the info, it all goes away.... -)10:29
diamondjbailey: would be fun to play with tho10:29
jbaileyGiven that the TD bank is apparently about to move their retinal scanners so that you can simply pass through the doorway and not have to look into the machine, it seems probably within easy grasp.10:30
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diamondjbailey: wow. scary stuff.10:31
mdkeyou could use your head to move the mouse I suppose10:32
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ograjbailey, wearing your tinfiol hat again ?10:32
jbaileyogra: The long hair covers it nicely, don't you think?10:33
havocjbailey: would have to be a very hi-res webcam10:35
jbaileyhavoc: Sure, but how far away are those?  Given that sex and killing people drives the technology envelope, both are likely to have demands for high-res cameras done cheap.10:35
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azeemhavoc: are you the famous the-other-havoc from LWN?10:37
havocazeem: nope10:38
azeemah, ok10:38
havocjbailey: sooner or later, yes10:38
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seb128elmo: glib2.0 (experimental) inkscape hardware-monitor meld anjuta syncs please10:40
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Simiradilinger :)10:46
dilingeri love it when i reboot the wrong machine :)10:46
tsumeall you damn specicist sicken me! :P10:46
poningruhi I wanted to throw out an idea that this guy came up with10:49
poningruhow about during a dual boot installation giving people the choice of transfering their stuff in windows transfer over to the linux partition10:50
Burgundaviaponingru, they are working on it10:51
poningruthis is ofcourse only for the files in My Documents10:51
poningruare you serious?10:51
poningruany docs on that?10:51
Burgundaviathere is spec10:51
Burgundaviaa spec, even10:51
Burgundaviajust a sec10:51
poningrunice that rimed10:51
poningruok another suggestion this time mine own10:53
poningruwhy not integrate something like a qtparted in the intallation process10:53
ograponingru, a version of gparted just gets modified10:54
Burgundaviagoogle bounty10:54
ograthats actually a ubuntu bounty10:54
poningruI guess great minds think alike is true10:55
poningruooh High Priority10:55
ograit will get integrated into http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress10:55
Burgundaviaogra, you are right, my bad10:55
danielslamont__: pong10:56
Kamionunfortunately MigratingToUbuntu is a "vote for more money" spec (much as I hate to borrow a phrase from asuffield)10:56
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Kamiona lot of it is very difficult stuff and there's nothing that comes close to an implementation plan10:57
BurgundaviaKamion, are not all specs a "vote for more money|time" spec?10:57
tsume`/win 1210:57
KamionBurgundavia: no, the specific meaning of that phrase is that one writes down a wishlist for an arbitrary Good Thing without having anyone to implement it or any plan for doing so10:58
ograBurgundavia, most of them are "bringmrthisfeature" specs10:58
Kamionit means you get to point to the spec whenever people bring up the wishlist, but that's about it10:58
Kamionwhich tends to stifle progress because people think somebody's already working on it when they aren't10:59
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neirasHello - what is the status of usplash? Will it be in Breezy?11:09
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lamont__gives me something to do while I finish downloading the breezy install image11:10
=== Mez pokes lamont around a bit and thanks him for the backports stuff
lamont__doh.  lunchtime. back in a bit11:11
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pefbye !11:19
jbaileyKamion: The various groups not existing when things think they should is the bug in the installer you were talking about earlier right?11:31
Kamionjbailey: right11:33
Kamionjbailey: I'm not at home at the moment so I can't really test the fix11:33
jbaileyKamion: I have need to install my laptop, can I be your bitch?11:33
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Kamionjbailey: yay for bitches11:33
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mdzlamont,infinity: how goes the backports/tilde battle?  are we ready to light it up?11:53
lamont__mdz: have been on our side for most of last week11:54
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mdzlamont__: last I heard from elmo was that sbuild/wanna-build needed attention to deal with ~-versions11:55
Kamionwhich incidentally is SO WRONG11:55
Kamioncan we purge dpkg from hoary-backports before sending it live? :)11:55
mdz...and that dpkg was his test case ;-)11:55
lamont__-rw-rw-r--  1 archvsync archvsync  607228 Jul  9 00:25 dpkg_1.13.10~hoary1_amd64.deb11:55
lamont__-rw-rw-r--  1 archvsync archvsync  579154 Jul  7 20:05 dpkg_1.13.10~hoary1_i386.deb11:55
lamont__-rw-rw-r--  1 archvsync archvsync  609070 Jul  9 00:25 dpkg_1.13.10~hoary1_powerpc.deb11:55
Mitariomdz, hi :) did you get my message about python-apt?11:55
lamont__so 3 days ago we uploaded the last 211:56
mdzlooks like it's there for all architectures11:56
lamont__but the changes were there on all 12 buildd's on the 7th11:56
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