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| oz_ | hi all - I'm trying to work out which packages I need to do some java-gnome dev. Do I really need gcc 4 with libgtk2-java? | 03:23 |
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| jbailey | oz_: The VM we use by default is gij, which is a component of gcc. | 03:23 |
| jbailey | gcj (used to make native versions of Java packages) might bring in gcc. | 03:24 |
| jbailey | ecj (the best .class -> .java compiler we have) shouldn't, though. | 03:24 |
| oz_ | does the sun jvm work ok? | 03:25 |
| jbailey | No idea. Not on my system, which is a powerpc. | 03:25 |
| jbailey | It generally ought to, though. | 03:25 |
| jbailey | You might find your best luck with the blackdown jvm, which I think is in multiverse now. | 03:25 |
| oz_ | ah- | 03:26 |
| oz_ | is there a way to avoid installing gcc 4. synaptic want's to uninstall gcc 3.x which I think will cause pain... | 03:30 |
| oz_ | do I just have to build from sources? | 03:30 |
| jbailey | What release of Ubuntu are you using? | 03:32 |
| oz_ | 5.04 | 03:32 |
| jbailey | Which piece of gcc-3 is it trying to uninstall? | 03:32 |
| jbailey | (And blackdown wasn't in the April release, I remember now) | 03:33 |
| oz_ | gcc-3.5-base | 03:34 |
| wasabi | How did blackdown get in multiverse? | 03:38 |
| wasabi | Canonical accepted the license? hah. | 03:38 |
| jbailey | wasabi: I think it's in. sabdfl didn't seem concerned about the problematic clause. | 03:49 |
| wasabi | Mine as well bundle Sun's then | 03:52 |
| wasabi | THey are the same. | 03:52 |
| wasabi | Sun Microsystems, Inc. | 03:53 |
| wasabi | Binary Code License Agreement | 03:53 |
| wasabi | for the | 03:53 |
| wasabi | JAVATM 2 SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT KIT (J2SDK), STANDARD EDITION, | 03:53 |
| wasabi | VERSION 1.4.2_X | 03:53 |
| wasabi | Same exacty license. | 03:53 |
| wasabi | Blackdown doesn't really serve much of a useful purpose anymore. I think the original idea was to be THE Linux port, but as Sun did it themselves... | 03:53 |
| wasabi | Pretty much it just introduces an entire new class of crashes heh | 03:53 |
| jbailey | Right. | 03:53 |
| jbailey | Well, also given that blackdown is pretty slow about producing new ports. | 03:54 |
| wasabi | Well, if he doesn't have a problem with that, he won't have a problem with Suns. | 03:54 |
| jbailey | Tell you what - I don't really want to think about it. =) | 03:54 |
| wasabi | haha | 03:54 |
| jbailey | The whole thing gives me the heeby-jeebies. | 03:54 |
| === jbailey prays for alexandria or whatever it's called. | ||
| wasabi | What is that? | 03:55 |
| jbailey | Apache's VM | 03:55 |
| wasabi | Psssh. | 03:55 |
| oz_ | harmony | 03:55 |
| jbailey | That's the one. | 03:55 |
| wasabi | Unless they get a code confusion they are in the same boat as us. | 03:55 |
| wasabi | In fact they'll probably just end up contributing to Classpath | 03:55 |
| jbailey | Right, I think that's the idea. | 03:56 |
| jbailey | And that the result can get certified. | 03:56 |
| jbailey | It's the certified result that's the important part. | 03:56 |
| wasabi | Hmm. WHere did you read this about the sabfdl? | 03:56 |
| jbailey | It was a conversation in a /msg between he and I. | 03:56 |
| wasabi | iii) you do not distribute | 03:56 |
| wasabi | additional software intended to replace any component(s) of the | 03:56 |
| wasabi | Software (unless otherwise specified in the applicable README | 03:56 |
| wasabi | file) | 03:56 |
| jbailey | And he's also spoken to elmo about it. | 03:56 |
| jbailey | Right. | 03:56 |
| jbailey | His view was something like none of the Free VMs are intended to replace. | 03:57 |
| jbailey | Suppliment, sure, sit along side. | 03:57 |
| wasabi | Haha tell that to the people who wrote them. | 03:57 |
| jbailey | And also that the non-Free VM could conflict against the Free VMs so that they just were never installed side by each. | 03:57 |
| wasabi | Well, I'm just worried about this one. I'd like to have a public discussion about it. | 03:58 |
| jbailey | Like I said, I just want to step away from it slowly. I'd be happiest if a lawyer said 'yeah, sure', but if it makes it in, then it also made it past elmo, who's more paranoid than I. | 03:58 |
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| wasabi | jbailey, if I wanted to get some talk about this going, how would I? | 04:37 |
| wasabi | I suspect the tech board or something | 04:37 |
| jbailey | Including the Sun JVM rather than the blackdown one? | 04:42 |
| wasabi | I'd just like to know how the license was "rationalized. | 04:44 |
| wasabi | I'm curious. | 04:44 |
| wasabi | Since no other distributer ever has come to that conclusion. hehe. | 04:45 |
| jbailey | Is it actually in the archive now? | 04:45 |
| wasabi | Naw. | 04:45 |
| wasabi | I don't see it. | 04:45 |
| jbailey | Then probably there was another round of nervousness. | 04:45 |
| wasabi | Heh. | 04:46 |
| oz_ | wasabi: have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-8651.html | 04:48 |
| wasabi | Heh, why? | 04:49 |
| wasabi | That's almost a year old. | 04:49 |
| oz_ | I don't think the licence has changed since then | 04:50 |
| wasabi | It hasn't. But that's not related to the current convo about the sabfdl. | 04:50 |
| oz_ | 6 Months old | 04:50 |
| jbailey | wasabi: Unfortnuetaly, the conversation is in the logs I lost when I wiped my homedir back in February. | 04:52 |
| wasabi | These people are just ignoring the license in backports. | 04:53 |
| wasabi | What tools. | 04:53 |
| wasabi | They didn't even read it. | 04:53 |
| wasabi | Or read it and dismissed it. | 04:53 |
| wasabi | I guess it's not exactly my business... it just bugs me. | 04:55 |
| wasabi | I'd rather they go through the same hell we do so they'll promote free java. ;0 | 04:55 |
| oz_ | I don't suppose anyone could help out with a "ListenerDelegate.create failure" using glade and sun 1.5 jdk? | 05:31 |
| wasabi | java-gnome? | 05:31 |
| wasabi | newp. | 05:31 |
| oz_ | java-gtk.. | 05:31 |
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| oz_ | Can you guys suggest which gcj version to install? gcj- 3.3.x, 3.4.x or 4.0? | 05:57 |
| wasabi | 4.0 | 05:57 |
| oz_ | thanks | 05:57 |
| oz_ | do you know what version of java it supports (roughly) | 05:58 |
| wasabi | That's not a very good question. | 05:58 |
| wasabi | Mostly because it really doesn't. | 05:59 |
| wasabi | I'm sure there are missing pieces from java 1 | 05:59 |
| wasabi | Swing barely works, but sort of. | 05:59 |
| oz_ | yeah - I kinda gathered that.. | 05:59 |
| wasabi | But it does run Eclipse. | 05:59 |
| wasabi | So it has that amount of API coverage. | 05:59 |
| oz_ | I'm just trying to get some gnome understanding - so i'm building the latest java-gnome java-gtk etc. | 06:00 |
| oz_ | I was just interested in whether it had support for generics enhanced for loops etc .etc | 06:01 |
| wasabi | Almost. | 06:02 |
| oz_ | Thanks | 06:04 |
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| oz_ | sorry to be a pain - I'm trying to build libgtk-java-2.6.2 from source _but_.. | 08:03 |
| oz_ | I get an error: checking for gtk+-2.0 >= 2.6.0... Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. | 08:03 |
| oz_ | Do you guys know what it's looking for? | 08:04 |
| wasabi | libgtk something | 08:15 |
| wasabi | -dev | 08:15 |
| oz_ | hrmm... i was hoping that wasn't it: another 16 packages and a 55 MB download | 08:17 |
| oz_ | I can't believe how difficult and frustrating this has all been. But hey - thanks for the help and info. | 08:20 |
| oz_ | thanks guys - later | 08:26 |
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