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| Simira | hi JaneW | 01:13 |
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| JaneW | Hi Simira | 01:43 |
| JaneW | how's the new home? | 01:43 |
| Simira | JaneW : temporarily... luckily. I'm currently on Debconf in Helsinki, though. | 01:47 |
| JaneW | cool, how's it going? | 01:55 |
| Simira | JaneW : exciting... some don't like ubuntu as much as others, but there's a lot of cool people. | 01:55 |
| Simira | and really, really warm | 01:55 |
| JaneW | warm here today too - 27 degs (and it's mid winter!) | 01:59 |
| Simira | yay... but you're supposed to be used to it. It's about 30 here, I think. Maybe a couple degrees colder today. And I'm in Northern europe... eww... | 02:00 |
| Treenaks | hm, and here in The Netherlands it's only 26 | 02:01 |
| smurfix | you should move this discussion to #ubuntu-weather ;) | 02:02 |
| Treenaks | smurfix: it's not like there's much discussion going on anyway | 02:02 |
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| JanC | Simira : I got some feedback from debconf by Luk Claes & Danny Cautaert | 03:42 |
| JanC | mainly about mosquitos, bad food, saunas & estonian alcohol | 03:42 |
| JanC | ;-) | 03:42 |
| Treenaks | JanC: Luk Claes.. family of yours? :) | 03:43 |
| JanC | nope, he has no "y" :) | 03:43 |
| Treenaks | JanC: all those Belgian names look the same to me :P | 03:43 |
| Simira | JanC : sounds just like it, yes | 03:43 |
| JanC | but he's a co-member of LugWV.be :) | 03:43 |
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| \sh | evening ladies & gentlemen | 09:48 |
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| \sh | 1 minute | 09:59 |
| Kamion | I pinged Keybuk; neither mdz nor sabdfl seem to be on-line at the moment | 09:59 |
| Kamion | all are at Debconf, I think | 09:59 |
| \sh | no problem | 09:59 |
| \sh | I only want to discuss wine packages | 10:00 |
| dholbach | getting drunk, presumably | 10:00 |
| \sh | that's also ok...I'm doing the same.. | 10:00 |
| \sh | but not now..after the meeting | 10:00 |
| \sh | dholbach: but u r there...this is really good.. | 10:01 |
| zul | isnt it only 20:00 | 10:01 |
| \sh | 20:00 utc | 10:01 |
| doko | hmm, I think they left for the hotel or a restaurant | 10:01 |
| zul | /topic says its at 22:00 | 10:01 |
| dholbach | \sh: are any of my actions required? | 10:02 |
| Mez | erm | 10:02 |
| Mez | arent we like.. | 10:02 |
| \sh | dholbach: I want to have a opinion | 10:02 |
| Mez | 2 hours early ? | 10:02 |
| Mez | Tue Jul 12 20:02:20 UTC 2005 | 10:02 |
| \sh | Tuesday 12 July 2005 at 2000 UTC | 10:02 |
| \sh | webpage | 10:02 |
| Mez | Tue 12 July 22:00 UTC: Tech Board -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda | 10:02 |
| Mez | topic | 10:02 |
| Kamion | oh, great, the topic here disagrees with the wiki | 10:02 |
| \sh | TechnicalBoardAgenda | 10:02 |
| \sh | fck | 10:02 |
| \sh | again | 10:03 |
| Kamion | the wiki says 2000 UTC | 10:03 |
| \sh | yeah | 10:03 |
| Kamion | this business of maintaining information in two places is mad | 10:03 |
| \sh | we need exchange | 10:03 |
| \sh | I think | 10:03 |
| Mez | lol | 10:03 |
| \sh | or notes | 10:03 |
| \sh | ok....22 UTC back here...don't get drunk guys *hicks* | 10:04 |
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| pitti | Hi | 10:05 |
| dholbach | hi pitti | 10:05 |
| \sh | hey pitti... | 10:05 |
| \sh | pitti: tell mark, beer is to expensive at .fi | 10:07 |
| pitti | \sh: the problem is, it isn't... | 10:07 |
| \sh | what? | 10:07 |
| pitti | too expensive | 10:07 |
| \sh | when I was the last time...oh well | 10:07 |
| \sh | .se != .fi then | 10:07 |
| \sh | or I have the wrong job ;) | 10:08 |
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| sistpoty | Hi all | 10:27 |
| siretart | hi folks! | 10:28 |
| sistpoty | doko: are you online? | 10:28 |
| doko | no | 10:29 |
| sistpoty | g | 10:29 |
| sistpoty | dholbach said, I can bother you about java-package? | 10:29 |
| ogra | doko, so how is the tibook behaving in the saun ? | 10:29 |
| ogra | sauna | 10:29 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: he wants to have a new java-package synced from debian, because our's doesn't work | 10:29 |
| dholbach | oops, doko ^^ | 10:30 |
| sistpoty | exactly | 10:30 |
| doko | which one? | 10:30 |
| sistpoty | "java-package" itself ;) | 10:30 |
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| sistpoty | bug-report is here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=313555, seems to be fixed in debian | 10:31 |
| doko | I don't mind. universe isn't frozen, isn't it? | 10:32 |
| dholbach | oh, it's a universe package | 10:32 |
| ogra | doko, it is :( | 10:33 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: ask your favourite motu to sync it, if doko's happy :) | 10:33 |
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| sistpoty | that's why i asked in #motu at first ;) | 10:34 |
| dholbach | seb128: Sb! :) | 10:34 |
| seb128 | dholbach: grumpf, my eth0 card just broke | 10:35 |
| dholbach | seb128: oh :(( | 10:35 |
| seb128 | dholbach: after some reboot I figured that's probably not a software issue and changed it ... | 10:35 |
| siretart | dholbach: I don't get the "ask your favourite motu to sync it" part, may a motu upload "plain" and "unmodified" debian packages (java-package in this case) or shall we still append the -1ubuntu1 anyway? | 10:36 |
| pitti | siretart: no, please don't. Just ask elmo to sync it | 10:36 |
| dholbach | siretart: ah ok, yes, what pitti said | 10:36 |
| ogra | siretart, just asking elmo for a sync from debian | 10:36 |
| pitti | siretart: never upload a -ubuntuN package if you didn't actually do changes | 10:36 |
| Mez | pitti: just a XbuildY? | 10:37 |
| \sh | -DbuildN is ok | 10:37 |
| ogra | siretart, but we're in UVF, so if the upstream version changed you need mdz/Kamion approval | 10:37 |
| pitti | yep | 10:37 |
| pitti | ogra: certainly not for universe | 10:37 |
| \sh | what now? | 10:37 |
| ogra | pitti, for universe too | 10:37 |
| \sh | anybody knows something else | 10:37 |
| ogra | sadly | 10:37 |
| \sh | weired | 10:37 |
| pitti | ogra: hrm? | 10:38 |
| pitti | that's new to me... | 10:38 |
| siretart | pitti: ok. this is how I understood it so far. | 10:38 |
| ogra | pitti, UVF is for the whole distro now | 10:38 |
| pitti | ogra: D'oh | 10:38 |
| dholbach | ogra: i don't recall hard UVF for universe in the last talk with kamion and you | 10:38 |
| ogra | pitti, Kamion told me the other day | 10:38 |
| dholbach | ogra: and surely they don't want to be pestered for every little change in universe | 10:38 |
| ogra | dholbach, what do you think we talked about then ? | 10:39 |
| seb128 | pitti: does elmo actually do syncs this week ? :) | 10:39 |
| siretart | well, I don't think that every package should be subject to UVF. java-package e.g. in not that likley to have regression. it is really constantly improving and it is (usually) really worth having the latest version around | 10:39 |
| dholbach | ogra: we talked about a freeze in universe, yes, but the timing was different, afaik | 10:39 |
| pitti | seb128: he's here, if you ask him, he probably will | 10:39 |
| seb128 | pitti: I've asked 2-3 times yesterday on #ubuntu-devel he just ignored me :p | 10:39 |
| seb128 | lemme try again | 10:40 |
| pitti | seb128: mailing might be actually better | 10:40 |
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| seb128 | pitti: yeah, maybe | 10:40 |
| ogra | dholbach, we talked about UVF and i dont remeber we talked about a different date wrt universe/main, but we can ask Kamion later :) | 10:40 |
| dholbach | ogra: what was the "one week before release" part about? | 10:40 |
| ogra | huh ? | 10:40 |
| ogra | dholbach, lets just wait for Kamion, i dont know what you mean with "one week before release" part... | 10:41 |
| dholbach | yeah | 10:41 |
| dholbach | let's talk about it in the meeting | 10:41 |
| ogra | so put it on the agenda... | 10:43 |
| dholbach | yes master | 10:43 |
| ogra | heh | 10:43 |
| siretart | ;) | 10:43 |
| Simira | seb128 : elmo is on debconf | 10:45 |
| seb128 | Simira: I know, thanks :) | 10:45 |
| Mez | ogra: I cant get in touch with jdong - should I still put backports on the agenda? | 10:46 |
| ogra | hmm | 10:46 |
| ogra | Mez, what about the other backporters ? | 10:47 |
| siretart | how many backporters are there at all? and who? | 10:48 |
| Mez | erm | 10:48 |
| Mez | there's 4 or 5 | 10:49 |
| Mez | me, jdong, slomo, and Mike Basinger | 10:49 |
| Mez | and one who's on hols | 10:49 |
| Mez | siretart, did you get my email? | 10:49 |
| siretart | Mez: yes, I did. mom | 10:49 |
| siretart | Mez: did you upload your key to a keyserver? | 10:50 |
| Mez | er, not yet I dont think | 10:50 |
| Mez | lol | 10:50 |
| Mez | http://www.sourceguru.net/pgp/ | 10:50 |
| Mez | It wasnt on key server until I made sure I had a hard copy of it :D | 10:50 |
| Mez | I just shoved it up though | 10:53 |
| Kamion | siretart: there's nothing wrong with exceptions for cases where it makes sense | 11:00 |
| Kamion | but the exceptions should be explicit, not implicit! | 11:00 |
| siretart | Kamion: I agree completly | 11:00 |
| pitti | well, explicit syncs do make sense for known-good packages, I agree | 11:01 |
| Kamion | dholbach: I haven't been able to talk to mdz much since UVF happened; when he gets back we'll clarify things | 11:01 |
| dholbach | ok | 11:01 |
| Kamion | it's pretty impossible to coordinate with people who are at debconf though | 11:01 |
| ogra | heh, yes | 11:02 |
| siretart | pitti: perhaps we can agree that in general sync which fix "important" and higher bugs (in debian severity terms) are acceptable? | 11:02 |
| ogra | they drink hard stuff, skate, eat melons and hang around in saunas according to planet debian | 11:02 |
| siretart | hehe | 11:02 |
| Kamion | siretart: that's always been reasonable cause for a freeze exception | 11:02 |
| siretart | great! :) | 11:03 |
| Kamion | but still one must ask for approval, if blanket approval has not been given | 11:03 |
| siretart | right | 11:03 |
| Mez | can someone please tell me why I'm getting "unauthorised" on the GB mirror? | 11:03 |
| Kamion | because it might make sense to backport a smaller fix instead, or the sync might adversely affect something else | 11:03 |
| Kamion | it's an extra review step to make sure we have better visibility across the distro when importing new code close to release | 11:04 |
| Mez | w00t for backports :D | 11:04 |
| Mez | when it gets instated | 11:04 |
| siretart | can we define some sort of procedure for requesting syncs? I don't know if elmo doesn't get annoyed when we constantly ping him on irc with requests | 11:04 |
| Kamion | that is the procedure | 11:04 |
| Kamion | although during freeze, better send mail | 11:04 |
| Kamion | so mail elmo, cc mdz and me | 11:05 |
| Kamion | at least that's approximately what we've done in previous release cycles (with s/Kamion/jdub/) | 11:05 |
| siretart | all right, will do then | 11:05 |
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| dholbach | ok | 11:06 |
| siretart | ok, will be back in one hour then, when meeting really begins | 11:06 |
| siretart | cu later | 11:06 |
| Mez | you taking over from jdub then Colin? | 11:06 |
| Kamion | Mez: not really | 11:07 |
| Kamion | Mez: jdub's moving more towards business development though, and isn't taking so much of an active part in the distro team | 11:07 |
| ogra | Mez, he looks better with tie then we all do ;) | 11:08 |
| Kamion | mdz always did the bulk of that stuff, and in the last couple of freezes he's taken to saying "ask me or Colin" rather than "ask me or Jeff" | 11:09 |
| Kamion | so I go with the flow :) | 11:09 |
| jbailey | Eh? | 11:09 |
| Burgundavia | Kamion, are you a foundation or canonical employee? | 11:09 |
| Kamion | other Jeff | 11:09 |
| jbailey | 'k =) | 11:09 |
| Mez | ogra, with Kamion it'd have to be a clip on ;) | 11:09 |
| Kamion | Burgundavia: as far as I'm aware nobody has shifted over to being employed by the Foundation yet | 11:10 |
| Burgundavia | Kamion, ok | 11:10 |
| Burgundavia | Kamion, that was my next question | 11:10 |
| Burgundavia | the idea with the foundation is that other companies can also fund it? | 11:10 |
| Kamion | Burgundavia: it hasn't yet been decided which members of the distro team will be employed by the Foundation and which by Canonical; I'm given to understand that there will be some of each | 11:10 |
| Kamion | that's one thing I might speculate, but I don't know if that's the explicit intent | 11:12 |
| Kamion | I think clear separation from Canonical's for-profit goals is more important, TBH | 11:12 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 11:12 |
| Kamion | but you can get all that from the press release :-) | 11:13 |
| Burgundavia | I have seen some slagging ubuntu, asking what happens when sabdfl gets bored and moves on to his next project | 11:13 |
| Kamion | http://www.livejournal.com/users/cjwatson/31101.html has my thoughts on it | 11:13 |
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| Kamion | continuity is obviously important, yes, trolling aside | 11:14 |
| Burgundavia | Kamion, what is fieldwave? | 11:14 |
| Kamion | a sufficient number of people have come to rely on Ubuntu that it would be poor form to drop it on the floor | 11:14 |
| Kamion | Fieldwave is the company that actually employs UK Canonical staff | 11:15 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 11:15 |
| Burgundavia | so the non-UK people work directly for canonical, but there are enough crazy limeys to make their own company? | 11:15 |
| Kamion | it exists for some strange corporate organisational purposes I don't fully understand; for most practical intents and purposes Fieldwave can be considered as Canonical | 11:15 |
| Burgundavia | probably tax purposes | 11:15 |
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| Mez | aka a beer | 11:18 |
| Kamion | formally, I believe Fieldwave's contracted by Canonical to do some work on its behalf | 11:18 |
| Kamion | but as I say it doesn't make much practical difference and most of the UK employees will casually refer to themselves as Canonical staff | 11:19 |
| Mez | Kamion, so canonical = US company, even though Mark lives in the UK? | 11:19 |
| Kamion | Mez: no, Canonical is incorporated in the Isle of Man | 11:19 |
| Mez | ah lol | 11:20 |
| Mez | Marks' dodging tax again eh? | 11:20 |
| jbailey | Mez: What would you assume US? =) | 11:20 |
| Burgundavia | I think dodging tax goes with the lifestyle, the jet, etc. | 11:20 |
| Mez | jbailey, someone above mentioned US :P | 11:21 |
| Mez | Burgundavia, and the trips to space :P | 11:21 |
| Mez | s/trips/trip/ | 11:21 |
| doko | hmm, pitti did leave? | 11:22 |
| Kamion | let's call it taking advantage of favourable tax laws rather than throwing around suggestions of tax evasion in a publicly-logged channel, shall we? :-) | 11:22 |
| ogra | doko, yes | 11:23 |
| Mez | apologies Kamion, my references to tax evasion were jovial | 11:23 |
| Kamion | sure, understood, just thought it was kind of my duty to refute :) | 11:24 |
| Mez | I know Kamion, but seeing as this is publically loggable and the meaning of my comment may have been in doubt, I thought I'd clarify | 11:25 |
| Mez | so Kamion, are we still going to get a graphical isntaller for breezy? | 11:26 |
| Mez | :P | 11:26 |
| Kamion | UbuntuExpress is in progress, but mostly by Matt - I'm just doing the odd bit of support work for it | 11:27 |
| dholbach | Kamion: are you giving an interview and i didn't notice? :p | 11:27 |
| ogra | Mez, UbuntuExpress ! | 11:27 |
| jbailey | Mez: You know, I've heard that on the third time you poke him, he begins to demonstrate some of the latest karate techniques that he's learned... | 11:27 |
| Kamion | haha | 11:27 |
| ogra | *g* | 11:27 |
| Kamion | only as a special present for elmo | 11:27 |
| \sh | interview? | 11:27 |
| Kamion | dholbach: it's beginning to feel that way, I admit ;) | 11:27 |
| Mez | lol - dont... I've got images of Kamion in a karate suit now! | 11:27 |
| dholbach | :) | 11:27 |
| \sh | mez: really? | 11:27 |
| \sh | Kamion: shotokan? | 11:28 |
| Mez | lol :D and Kamion - you said you were personally working on the Graphical installer :D (from a liveCD) | 11:28 |
| Kamion | \sh: yes | 11:28 |
| jbailey | Mez: Somewhere on lamont's camera are pictures of the two of them in various holds. | 11:28 |
| Kamion | Mez: I think I said "we" | 11:28 |
| \sh | Kamion: you're welcome to our club in troisdorf..shotokan is the only way | 11:28 |
| Kamion | if I didn't, it was unintentional | 11:28 |
| Mez | you said "I" :P | 11:28 |
| Mez | hehe :DP | 11:28 |
| Kamion | Mez: oh, I said I was working on the cdebconf gtk frontend; that's a slightly different thing | 11:28 |
| \sh | Kamion: hope to see u at the wkc in brasil? | 11:28 |
| Mez | no, you said you were working on the LiveCD style install :D | 11:29 |
| Mez | install from a desktop icon on the LiveCD | 11:29 |
| dholbach | Mez: udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress should know :) | 11:29 |
| ogra | Mez, UbuntuExpress .... Kamion built(ds) the base for it | 11:29 |
| Kamion | \sh: I'm not that good yet; only 8th kyu | 11:29 |
| Mez | you may not have meant "I" but you said it (I think) | 11:29 |
| dholbach | Mez: that's what he said :) | 11:30 |
| Kamion | sadly, the recording didn't work so there is no way to resolve that | 11:30 |
| \sh | Kamion: I'm only a parent of a master ;) so 8th kyu is yellow? orange? | 11:30 |
| Mez | Kamion - someone had a video Camera in there | 11:30 |
| Kamion | \sh: yellow | 11:30 |
| dholbach | Mez: <Kamion> if I didn't, it was unintentional :) | 11:30 |
| Mez | dholbach, I saw ;) | 11:30 |
| \sh | Kamion: really? so my son is, he is lilac, blue something | 11:31 |
| Kamion | certainly my script says "we" | 11:31 |
| \sh | violett | 11:31 |
| \sh | ,-) | 11:31 |
| Burgundavia | queue the whinging --> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=11198 | 11:31 |
| dholbach | \sh: 5th? | 11:31 |
| Kamion | blue would be 6th kyu in our club | 11:32 |
| \sh | dholbach: something like this..he is youth NRW champion 2004 | 11:32 |
| \sh | dholbach: with green belt....now he's violett/blue international | 11:32 |
| Kamion | white, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple, purple+white, brown, brown+white, brown+red, black | 11:32 |
| \sh | Kamion: here in .de it's white, yellow, orange, green, violett, brown, black ... black+dan | 11:33 |
| dholbach | hmmm, 12 years ago, it was a bit different | 11:33 |
| dholbach | yeah | 11:33 |
| \sh | violett, is 2 years | 11:33 |
| ogra | seems much more logical to sort the colors by lightness | 11:33 |
| ogra | brightness | 11:33 |
| \sh | brown is 2 years, too + you have to become 18 | 11:34 |
| \sh | years old | 11:34 |
| Kamion | similar, brown is about 2 years, black about 4 minimum | 11:34 |
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| \sh | ogra: it's much more difficult...the belts doesn't say anything at all...if you see a 70 year old guy | 11:34 |
| === jordi_ is now known as mdz | ||
| ogra | heh | 11:34 |
| mdz | good evening | 11:35 |
| ogra | hey mdz ! | 11:35 |
| Kamion | evening matt | 11:35 |
| mdz | apologies for my lateness | 11:35 |
| \sh | ogra: and this 70 yearold guy is fighting with swords and knifes against 3 people | 11:35 |
| Mez | lateness mdz? | 11:35 |
| mdz | one moment while I abude jordi's machin e | 11:35 |
| \sh | matt: u r welcome :) hope the beer was good | 11:35 |
| ogra | mdz, 22:00 UTC | 11:35 |
| ajmitch | hi mdz | 11:35 |
| ogra | says the topic | 11:35 |
| Mez | ogra: it was 20:00 in the wiki ;) | 11:35 |
| Kamion | mdz: apparently it depends whether you believe the topic or the wiki | 11:35 |
| ogra | yep | 11:35 |
| mdz | heh the time on my mobile is all sorts of confused | 11:36 |
| \sh | Mez: forget the wiki ;-) | 11:36 |
| mdz | is scott ritchie present? | 11:36 |
| ajmitch | I hope it's 22:00, otherwise I'm really late :) | 11:36 |
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| mdz | \sh: have you been in touch with him? | 11:36 |
| dholbach | mdz: YokoZar was his ircnick, irc | 11:37 |
| ogra | yep | 11:37 |
| Mez | \sh: is that wise ? | 11:37 |
| \sh | mdz: I wrote a mail...he didn't answer | 11:37 |
| dholbach | i'm for a dog walk, brb | 11:37 |
| Kamion | we have certainly had the wine discussion before, either just before or shortly after warty | 11:37 |
| Kamion | perhaps somebody could find the discussion in the #ubuntu-meeting archives | 11:37 |
| Mez | mdz: /query | 11:38 |
| \sh | mdz: but I would like to have his package..actually I used a plain debian/* dir for the latest snapshot and it compiled with gcc-4 | 11:38 |
| \sh | Kamion: I read it | 11:38 |
| ogra | Kamion, sabdfls word was quite clear about that, he wants winehq packages | 11:38 |
| Kamion | ah, more like March | 11:38 |
| \sh | una momenta....girl is calling | 11:39 |
| ogra | Kamion, there was a mail to ubuntu-devel | 11:39 |
| Kamion | ogra: I'm not attempting to overrule sabdfl, never fear! I was just making sure the previous discussion had been taken into account | 11:39 |
| mdz | hey, mdz is running to the hotel to grab his own laptop, now that he-s actually early for the meeting | 11:39 |
| ogra | Kamion, it has | 11:39 |
| Kamion | 2005-03-15 | 11:39 |
| mdz | repeat your questions when he gets back! | 11:40 |
| Mez | lol, mdz, quickly answer my question! | 11:40 |
| jbailey | Beware the ides of march? | 11:40 |
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| \sh | aehm | 11:40 |
| \sh | girls | 11:40 |
| \sh | i mean I like the idea to be whipped by jane...but | 11:41 |
| \sh | now I'm confused | 11:41 |
| Mez | \sh have you got the right channel? | 11:41 |
| \sh | mez: sure | 11:41 |
| ogra | jordi_, how's the leg dude ? | 11:41 |
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| \sh | I need a decision about whine... | 11:41 |
| sabdfl | hi all | 11:41 |
| sabdfl | apologies for being late | 11:41 |
| ogra | hey sabdfl | 11:42 |
| \sh | g'night mark | 11:42 |
| ogra | hehe | 11:42 |
| ogra | sabdfl, 22:00 UTC | 11:42 |
| sabdfl | phew | 11:42 |
| ogra | everybody thinks he's late *g* | 11:42 |
| \sh | u can drink one more ;) | 11:42 |
| sabdfl | hic | 11:42 |
| \sh | hahaha | 11:42 |
| ogra | heh | 11:42 |
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| \sh | *kippchendreh* ,-) | 11:43 |
| mdz | jordi_: thanks | 11:43 |
| Mez | sabdfl, or 20:00 if you read the wiki | 11:44 |
| Mez | :d | 11:44 |
| \sh | ogra: daniel is not there again... | 11:44 |
| jordi_ | ogra: the leg is getting better. | 11:44 |
| jordi_ | Not thanks to elmo! | 11:44 |
| jordi_ | laters guys, mdz: no problem | 11:44 |
| ajmitch | hi sabdfl | 11:44 |
| jordi_ | mdz: YOU KNOW WHAT | 11:44 |
| mdz | jordi_: you may never know | 11:44 |
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| mdz | jordi_: what life is like with a hitler moustache | 11:44 |
| jordi_ | mdz: mako just came and we're going to have a swim naked in the sea | 11:44 |
| sabdfl | hi ajmitch | 11:45 |
| sabdfl | man it's hot in finland | 11:45 |
| jordi_ | mdz: I will do it for the next conference | 11:45 |
| jordi_ | mdz: i will DO IT | 11:45 |
| \sh | ok..if anybody is having a drink and is online :) | 11:45 |
| \sh | sabdfl: send pics :) | 11:45 |
| Mez | mdz: /query :d | 11:45 |
| jbailey | We swam naked in the sea in Oslo, perhaps it can be an every other debconf tradition. | 11:46 |
| Mez | jbailey - dont send pics of that :D | 11:46 |
| \sh | no.i don't want to have pics *shrug* | 11:46 |
| sabdfl | nekkid people! | 11:47 |
| ogra | lol | 11:47 |
| \sh | sabdfl: say: nackige leute :) | 11:47 |
| \sh | ok....fun beside :) | 11:48 |
| mdz | \sh: photos cannot show how hot it is | 11:48 |
| mdz | who submitted the "universe freeze dates" proposal? | 11:48 |
| mdz | s/proposal/agenda item/ | 11:48 |
| \sh | mdz: believe me, I CAN FEEL THE HEAT I'm living somewhere between 4th and 100th floor | 11:49 |
| Kamion | (wasn't me, but) - I've been repeatedly explaining to people how UVF benefits stability of universe too, and how it's an extra review step not "you can't do this", etc. | 11:49 |
| === siretart wants to do the point "transitions in universe" on the agenda. objections? | ||
| Kamion | we did spring it on MOTU folks rather late, though | 11:50 |
| === \sh agrees with kamion | ||
| Kamion | "transitions in universe" is not currently on the agenda | 11:50 |
| \sh | but some stuff has to be updated :( | 11:50 |
| === siretart wants to put it (sorry) | ||
| Kamion | \sh: so request exceptions | 11:50 |
| \sh | Kamion: will bug u...no problem :) | 11:51 |
| ajmitch | Kamion: you mean, we heard about it when it happened? :) | 11:51 |
| ogra | ajmitch, yep | 11:51 |
| \sh | Kamion: better to say..it's good to have a first class decision..right now it's a mess | 11:51 |
| Kamion | ajmitch: it was always on the release schedule; we just hadn't realised that everybody thought universe had some kind of blanket exception from UVF | 11:53 |
| jbailey | Kamion: I know I had been under the impression that everything to do with Universe (Freezes, post-release updates, etc) was up to the Master MOTUs. | 11:54 |
| Kamion | the reason it worked that way for Hoary was that you guys were just getting started and UVF was too early with respect to that | 11:54 |
| ajmitch | Kamion: right, we thought the same would happen for breezy | 11:54 |
| mdz | apparently it was ReinhardTartler2 | 11:54 |
| ogra | i assumed it, since we excluded universe from hoarys UVF | 11:54 |
| siretart | mdz: that's me | 11:54 |
| === Kamion is being nagged to go to bed - night all | ||
| ogra | night Kamion | 11:55 |
| ajmitch | night Kamion | 11:55 |
| siretart | gn8 Kamion! | 11:56 |
| \sh | Kamion: ok...now it's fact: universe is UVF and only upstream upgrades (updates I will name only as revision syncs from debian e.g.) have to be approved by 3 ppls of main? | 11:56 |
| \sh | s/Kamion/mdz/ | 11:56 |
| siretart | 3 ppl of main seems a bit overengeneered to me, honestly.. | 11:57 |
| mdz | I'm more than willing to be flexible about UVF with regard to universe | 11:57 |
| dholbach | mdz: i put freeze dates on the agenda, since i wasnt sure about it (and most of the motus as well) | 11:57 |
| Kamion | \sh: er, no ... | 11:57 |
| \sh | and kamion: sleep well :) | 11:57 |
| mdz | so long as we meet release milestones | 11:57 |
| Kamion | \sh: approval is currently one of mdz and me; we could extend that for universe | 11:57 |
| mdz | but there should be a specific rationale if you want to deviate from the established procedures | 11:57 |
| \sh | Kamion: ok..u + mdz..and now off to sleep :) | 11:57 |
| dholbach | *nod* | 11:57 |
| dholbach | NEW packages will need to be treated differently | 11:58 |
| mdz | dholbach: please remember to place your name next to the item | 11:58 |
| mdz | as the comments in the wiki say | 11:58 |
| \sh | dholbach: NEW p. are treated differently.... | 11:58 |
| dholbach | mdz: i will, next time | 11:59 |
| dholbach | ok then this item is all set | 11:59 |
| \sh | dholbach: that's why I don'tlike right now new packages in universe, cause we have too many other things to work on :( | 11:59 |
| ogra | \sh++ | 12:00 |
| mdz | ok, moving on then | 12:00 |
| mdz | is Scott Ritchie here yet? | 12:00 |
| ajmitch | \sh: you just need to recruit more MOTUs :) | 12:00 |
| \sh | ajmitch: we're officially 20 | 12:00 |
| ogra | mdz, i doubt he will appear | 12:00 |
| dholbach | \sh: fixing stuff is excluded from UpstreamVersionFreeze :) | 12:00 |
| \sh | more then that | 12:00 |
| mdz | I think he needs to be present for this discussion | 12:00 |
| ogra | about 30 | 12:00 |
| \sh | ogra: thx... | 12:00 |
| mdz | \sh: if you are in touch with him, please have him contact me directly | 12:00 |
| \sh | but u always see only a few | 12:00 |
| mdz | \sh: since we seem to have trouble syncing up for meetings | 12:01 |
| ogra | mdz, he didnt show up since some months in the community | 12:01 |
| mdz | and this isn't necessarily a tech board issue anyway | 12:01 |
| \sh | mdz: I don't be in touch with him..I tried...and that's why I put it on the agenda | 12:01 |
| mdz | \sh: so what is the specific issue? | 12:01 |
| ogra | changig from debian to winehq packages | 12:01 |
| \sh | mdz: wine isn't compiling doesn't work at all...so I want this stuff fixed for universe | 12:02 |
| \sh | and I like to have this stuff in...even if I'm playing maintainer | 12:02 |
| mdz | if the question is whether to use Debian's packages or Scott's packages, and the Debian packages don't build while Scott's do, that seems like a no-brainer | 12:02 |
| \sh | the other alternative is , kicking it out | 12:02 |
| mdz | it is important to us that we have solid wine packages | 12:02 |
| ogra | yep | 12:02 |
| mdz | and if in your assessment, his packages are of higher quality, we should clearly go in that direction | 12:03 |
| \sh | ok..so I need an ++ from u and kamion for an upload | 12:03 |
| mdz | ideally we should do so in collaboration with him | 12:03 |
| ogra | mdz, the idea was to get scott here today to talk to him about it | 12:03 |
| \sh | mdz: i will bug him | 12:03 |
| ogra | mdz, thats why we put it on the agenda | 12:03 |
| mdz | \sh: go ahead and upload | 12:03 |
| \sh | bug actually w8ing for him is no use for us right now... | 12:03 |
| mdz | and send him notification about what we are doing | 12:03 |
| \sh | did already | 12:04 |
| \sh | ogra has a copy | 12:04 |
| mdz | you can tell him that a decision has been taken and that we want to work with him on the packages | 12:04 |
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