[12:02] it does [12:03] but you have to look at details.py at the most current upload [12:03] (watch the upid parameter in the url) [12:03] siretart: it's not his fault, I see the same thing if I go to http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=114 [12:03] damn you are right! [12:04] told you :) [12:04] because the latest upload is 117 [12:04] how can this happen? [12:04] which is what is seen from the main page [12:04] ar, mom [12:04] but if you keep looking at the 114 page, then you'll get new uploads show there :) [12:05] hm [12:05] sigh, >1000 unread on debian-devel [12:05] you all confuse me :) === ajmitch doesn't have the time to burn for that [12:05] siretart: that's what we're here for ;) [12:05] the main page shows only upload 117, and the linked debdiff is somehow 'correct', is it? [12:05] siretart: yes [12:06] then there is no bug at all, is there? === ajmitch feels like doing some debian work at some point [12:06] ajmitch: apropos debian, when do you think gravity will upload xorg to unstable? [12:07] I'm a bit concerned about opengl build dependency issues [12:07] siretart: not sure, I think he was talking about after the c++ transition in debian [12:07] to avoid having 2 big breakages at once [12:07] brb [12:07] siretart: there is a bug if you reload the upid=114 page, do you expect people to start all over again from the main page when a package is updated? [12:07] ajmitch: well, the transition will last months! I cannot imagine he wants to wait that long.. [12:08] uniq: no, but I expect people to klick on the 'latest' upload before pressing 'debdiff' [12:09] uniq: I know its a bit confusing, I try to get a more intutive ui for revu2 [12:09] siretart: no it won't [12:09] you underestimate the power of >1000 DDs :) [12:10] people don't like a broken sid, so there are going to be NMU policies for outstanding packages [12:10] siretart: ok. :) [12:11] I'd say that a *lot* more people use sid than breezy [12:11] for sure, yes === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pc-n2.wlan.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:12] I've got to spend more time than I have been on debian [12:13] I want to see etch rock, just like I want to see breezy & its successors rock ;) [12:14] .oO( sometimes it has advantages having few packages to maintain [2 for me atm] :) [12:14] I've just got 10 in debian, but that's really just 2 upstream projects === siretart is sure that etch will rock === Mez [~mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] especially if we try & get as much of our work back into etch as is possible [12:23] gn8 folks. (falling from chair) [12:24] gn8 siretart [12:24] bye siretart [12:27] night siretart [12:29] gnite siretart. === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:31] anyone up for looking at kio-apt? i would really appreciate it. - http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=117 === goedson [~goedson@BHE040233.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [~aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-170-100.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:25] good night everybody [01:25] gnite. === skora [~skora@69-173-194-127.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex se va a mimir, tamn === jamessan|laptop [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Treenaks [~martijn@messy.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [~aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-170-100.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Riddell [jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-96-128-67.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [~slomo@p5487F222.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DanielN is now known as DanielN`aw === womble [~mpalmer@220-245-224-46-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === daniels [~daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:56] yo guys [03:56] what's the process to go through to get a new package into universe? [03:56] i'd like to see xvattr from marillat imported, since it's bloody useful [03:57] put it in revu? [03:57] i mean, after you've made/ported the package [03:57] the packaging is already done [03:58] am I allowed to just directly nominate stuff in UniverseCandidates? [03:59] daniels: the usual process is to upload to Revu and get three MOTUs to sign off [03:59] oh, rad [04:00] missed that part of the topic, sorry [04:00] its like mentors.debian on speed [04:01] heh === |QuaD-_ is waiting for 3 MOTU's to sign off on gaim assistant :) [04:08] daniels: while you're here: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/xcursor-themes_1.0.0-1_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/etc/X11/cursors/core.theme', which is also in package xlibs-data [04:08] Amaranth: interesting; that should be conflicting [04:08] whoops! i'm shit [04:08] Amaranth: good catch, thanks [04:08] they should be? [04:09] i thought xcursor-themes was split off from xlibs-data [04:09] fix uploaded [04:09] yeah, it is [04:09] but it needs to conflict/replace the old version [04:10] ah [04:10] time to see if X works [04:10] yay [04:11] brb then, need to restart [04:11] gnite. === schweeb sets tseng on fire === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-96-128-67.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pagefault [Eric@67.71.47.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pc-n2.wlan.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pepsix [~pepsi@69.229.149.116] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:42] howdy hi :D [05:42] i was wondering why gradio gets installed into /usr/X11R6 [05:49] because it hasn't been fixed & noone has yet filed a bug on malone to tell us of the problem === poningru [~poningru@pool-71-101-70-231.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jesper [~jesper@Linuxnews.dk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [06:26] ajmitch, i see [06:27] shall i file a bug? === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jbailey_ [~jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Valandil [~chrys@dsl-084-056-097-195.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef [~loic@erodia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:05] hi [09:38] question: I just noticed that wxpython isn't in Breezy, but was in Hoary. is that a temporary problem or a permanent feature? [09:38] wxwidgets is having some issues in general, I have noticed === JRe [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:46] robitaille : wxpython 2.4 is in breezy AFAIK [09:46] wxPython 2.5/2.6 isn't yet [09:48] libwxgtk2.4-python === tvo [~tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef [~loic@erodia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jbailey_ [~jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pagefault [Eric@67.71.47.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === daniels [~daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k [~seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Panzerboy [~NoName@panzerboy.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rem_ [~rem@adsl-98-127-zh1.datacomm.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === |QuaD-_ [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamessan [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mort [~moritz@80-219-6-182.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === torkel [torkel@shaka.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sbibayoff [steve@216.52.246.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu === comadreja [~comadreja@comadreja.active.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gazer [~gazer@ADSL-216-244-238-245.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [~slomo@p5487F222.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gazer [~gazer@ADSL-216-244-238-245.capfed2.sinectis.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:54] Burgundavia: 2.6 is coming soon? It seems iPodder (which works fine in Hoary) doesn't in Breezy. Looking at its release note, it appears the requirement is for wxpython2.5 [09:54] like I said before the netsplit, 2.5 had some license issues [09:54] that 2.6 clears up === ogra [~ogra@p5089E384.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:01] Burgundavia: but do you know if that "soon" for an incoming 2.6 is in the Breezy time frame or not? === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:22] I want to package a library, in the source I have the library and binaries using this library. Should I built multiples packages, like libfoo-bin, libfoo-dev, libfoo for example ? [10:25] <\sh> sure...something like this...or "foo" "libfoo" and "libfoo-dev" [10:28] ok, another question : all the packages in breezy will have a backport for hoary ? [10:29] pef, if a backport request is put in and it is sane [10:30] ok, thank you :) [10:33] <\sh> ogra: scott didn't reply [10:33] \sh, scott ? [10:33] <\sh> wine [10:33] <\sh> scott? [10:34] <\sh> sure scott ritchie [10:34] ah, ok [10:34] <\sh> but anyways... [10:34] yes [10:35] hi ogra, \sh [10:35] <\sh> when I build his packages, put some replaces, conflicts and provides etc. in it, to match the debian binary package names...we should get a clean package [10:36] <\sh> hey aj [10:36] ogra: so we should start asking elmo for syncs to unstable then? :) [10:37] ajmitch, yes, but note we have UVF for universe too [10:37] ogra: yes, I know [10:37] so it will always get checked through somemain guy [10:39] ogra, see that gnome power 0.1.0 has hit [10:39] if I have errors like "E: Broken packages" when I tried to install packages, should I made a bug report ? [10:39] ogra: well doko is the debian comaintainer of this package (python-imaging), but he uploaded to sid about the same time that UVF hit [10:39] Burgundavia, yes, till examining it... i doubt we need it... we already have pmi [10:39] just a minor release [10:40] s/till/still [10:40] ajmitch, sync it :) [10:40] ogra, don't know whether it will be mature enough for breezy, but it seems like the way forward [10:40] ogra: ok, will ask elmo [10:41] Burgundavia, it has to be mature enough.... the question is with which version we'll go.... the current one needs loads of integration work... the next one should do better since hughsie now works very closely to us [10:41] cool [10:42] any idea when PHP5 packages will be ready? [10:42] sivang: when you make them :P [10:42] Treenaks: hehe [10:43] Treenaks: Well, I understood it's better to wait for the debian maintainer to do them [10:43] sivang: maybe you can help? [10:44] Treenaks: how? [10:44] sivang: I don't know, ask him :) [10:45] Treenaks: he's around here any time? [10:45] sivang: sure, the php4 maintainer is infinity [10:45] ah! I had no idea [10:45] :- [10:45] and I see dilinger is listed as a co-maintainer [10:52] do you think it may be usefull to make ubuntu package of marillat repository ? [10:52] pef, that kind of stuff cannot be in the ubuntu repos [10:52] and the backports people have a repo of it [10:52] Burgundavia: because of legal issues ? === Mez [~mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:53] guys, what would be the right way to work with pbuilder? do changes out of the chroot to the package, then just use it for building? [10:53] pef, most of the stuff in marilliat is copyright or patent landmines === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:57] ohh ok [10:58] like w32codecs is completely illegal [10:58] both in the copyright and patent snese [10:58] indeed [11:01] <\sh> hmmm [11:02] sivang, get the source with apt-get, make changes, docuent them with dch -i, build the source package with fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -S, then runn sudo pbuilder build ../foo.dsc [11:02] <\sh> 30 packages can't be downloaded...*raisemybrow* [11:02] \sh: apt-get update [11:02] <\sh> treen: no jigdo [11:02] \sh: mmmmh [11:02] <\sh> trying to get a iso image ,-) [11:03] rsync :) [11:03] ogra: but after I built it with dpkg-buildpackage, or debuild for that matter, why do I need pbuilder? To make sure it builds in a clean chroot? [11:04] to make sure it builds on the buildd, yes... it checks the build-deps etc [11:04] ogra: ah cool, so it's mostly a tool to make sure something will buildd :-) [11:05] sivang: you only build the source (tar.gz/diff/dsc) with dpkg-buildpacke [11:05] sivang, yes and to give you a package thats built like on the buildd to test it [11:05] sivang: you make the binaries with pbuilder [11:05] <\sh> sivang: it's a tool to see if it's build on your arch and it's another question if it's build on the buildd for other archs and also including your tested one ,-) [11:11] \sh: that's for sure :-) Guess I better be having my targetted arch near me === jbailey__ [~jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:32] <\sh> ok..installing daily breezy inside vmware === plugwash [plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [~jgotangco@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef [~loic@erodia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:58] Is it possible to add a package entry to malone ? libsdl1.2-dev isn't included in package list [11:58] file a bug [11:58] ok, thanks [11:59] pef, main packages are not in malone [11:59] pef, bugzilla.ubuntu.com is the right place [12:00] oh, duh [12:00] didn't look at the package name :P [12:01] I'm sure it is possible to add a package name [12:01] nope, only for the launcpad guys [12:02] anyone not running breezy, you're missing out on http://dev.realistanew.com/shiny2.png [12:02] it would produce havoc if everybody could add packages as he likes [12:02] Amaranth: rocks doesnt it [12:02] Amaranth: whats that icon next to yoru clock [12:02] volume? [12:03] oh [12:03] just a weird icon theme [12:03] i've got andy's new theme [12:03] also since when is the application icon canonicals logo [12:03] Amaranth, i'm just packaging it ;) [12:03] i did that [12:03] ah [12:03] it should be that [12:03] yes it should [12:03] Lathiat, it will [12:03] ogra: cool [12:03] but we're not going to have a stupid sidebar right [12:03] down the menu [12:03] *shudder* [12:03] its planned to go with Andys theme, he already has the icon ready [12:04] sidebar? [12:04] Amaranth: well some othe rdistros patche dthe application menu [12:04] to have a sidebar that says [12:04] "Novell" [12:04] make it a gconf option [12:04] or whatever [12:04] like windows does [12:04] Lathiat, only if we find a decent photo of you to put it there ;) [12:04] ogra: ;p [12:05] ogra: If you're packaging humility, please symlink gnome-fs-ftp.png to gnome-fs-ssh.png [12:06] hmm, thats Andys job... [12:06] i dont like th evolume icon === Amaranth loves it [12:06] the stock icons are cool too [12:06] brb [12:07] ive yet to find an icon theme i like [12:07] other than gnome [12:07] whatever fedora uses is... livable [12:07] fedora uses bluecurve === herzi [~herzi@c151003.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:35] poop === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] poop === HostingGeek is now known as Mircosoft === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mircosoft is now known as HostingGeek [12:55] HostingGeek: I have a feeling you're up to no good with the 'Mircosoft' nick. [12:55] Amaranth: no... [12:55] MirCosoft [12:56] Mir and Co Software === rem__ [~rem@adsl-99-178-zh1.datacomm.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hieronymus [~Hieronymu@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [~terrex@84-122-80-126.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex_ [~terrex@84-122-80-126.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [~terrex@84-122-80-126.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:24] hi [01:24] siretart: ping [01:24] same for me :d [01:33] does anyone know whether or not livejournals have RSS feeds [01:34] they do, just add /data/rss to the end [01:34] coolness [01:37] Mez: next time, better make your backups on something more reliable, like CD-r or DVD-RAM [01:38] lol :D I'm going to :D [01:39] gotta get kgpg recognising my keystore first thgouh === rob^ [~rob@rob-ubuntu.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:50] yeah :D === DanielN`aw [~daniel@80-218-240-48.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] siretart: what email do I send it to? [01:55] Mez: thats documented on the REVU wiki page ;) - siretart@tauware.de [01:55] siretart, can I not just link you my webpage ? [01:55] http://www.sourceguru.net/pgp [01:56] I cannot do it right now, please send me an email I won't forget it when I find some time [01:56] lol [01:57] yeah, that depends on me reme3mbering when I set up my email client again === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [~terrex@84-122-80-126.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [~terrex@84-122-80-126.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [~terrex@84-122-80-126.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamessan|work [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [~tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hieronymus [~Hieronymu@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:45] ik denk dat ik dat nickserv script m'n wachtwoord nog moet vertellen.. [02:45] Hieronymus, really ? [02:45] wrong channel [02:46] heh [02:46] i guessed that [02:56] I think I killed tseng [02:56] I set him on fire last night, and he hasn't spoken since [02:57] <\sh> bad boy ... what you gonna do...without tseng...no mono debs anymore... [02:57] <\sh> ,-) [02:58] pfft, tseng is overrated :P [02:58] he's probably still busy with burning [02:58] who's tseng setting fire to ? [02:58] 22:14 * schweeb sets tseng on fire === Mez creates a tgz of his whole system and burns to CD [02:59] I so wanna just go back to bed right now [02:59] but I have to work [02:59] :( [02:59] lol [02:59] I gotta go job centre in a mo === chrissturm [~chris@83-65-246-1.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] guys, anyone working on fixing pgadmin3? [03:00] is there a bug filed on it? [03:01] aw no! I gotta reset up my pbuilds! [03:01] grr [03:01] schweeb, dunno, i just tried to build it myself, but it failed with a strange error [03:01] alright, I've exceeded my talk minutes for the morning [03:01] time to head to work [03:01] later dudes === mgalvin [~mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:55] could someone have a look to http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=118 please , thanks ! === morgs [~morgan@wblv-146-236-76.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GazerWork [~gazer@mail.aktiv-assekuranz.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === morgs [~morgan@wblv-146-236-76.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0546.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:38] siretart: ping [04:48] if I find only a .deb for a program, but no package sources, must I building a new package ? (for ubuntu) [04:48] !forums alsaconf [04:48] <\sh> pef: apt-cache showsrc ? [04:48] pef, ask the guy who built the deb first [04:48] \sh: not an official one [04:49] sorry, wrong channel :) [04:49] ogra: already done :) [04:50] <\sh> pef: so ogras statement is uberruling [04:50] i'll hurt siretart :) [04:51] \sh: so with only a .deb I can't do anything I presume ? [04:51] <\sh> nope [04:52] mm [04:53] I find some applications with only an unofficial .deb file, can I make a ubuntu version, so it will be imported into debian official tree ? [04:54] <\sh> pef: ask the maintainer...debian packages are individual..so there's always a maintainer [04:55] \sh: and if the maintainer doesn't want/doesn't have time to produce an official package ? What should I do if I want to make an ubuntu version ? [04:56] <\sh> pef: assk him to take over his work, file an ITP or RFP at bugs.debian.org [04:57] <\sh> prepare a package for ubuntu anyways, and put it on MOTUToReview or UniverseCandidates [04:58] ok, thank you [04:59] pef: what package it is? [04:59] JRe: http://miniracer.sourceforge.net/#dload for example, i've contacted the author [05:00] pef: hehe cool game :) [05:00] yep :) === lamont__ [~lamont@15.238.5.49] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:05] most of the time they'll have a debian dir in CVS if they are making debs === Hieronymus [~Hieronymu@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [~terrex@84-122-80-126.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:17] damn. missed ivoks again :) === crimsun [~crimsun@crimsun.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-motu === uniq [charlie@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DanielN [~daniel@80-218-240-48.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DanielN is now known as DanielN`aw === DanielN`aw is now known as DanielN`aw`aw === DanielN`aw`aw is now known as DanielN [06:04] I need a sympatic motu :) http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=111 [06:06] if you find one, let him know about this http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=101 [06:07] comadreja: I already find 2 , I just need the last one ;) [06:07] mine is an update, I only need one too :) [06:10] comadreja: I just made an comment to your upload, but I don't have time to make a post to ubuntu-devel about the aalib-> libaa transition [06:11] comadreja: this is indeed a problem which needs to be decided. If you have time, could you perhaps prepare a wiki package with pro and cons, pointers to past discussions about libaa transition? we will need that discussion anyway, I think [06:14] cool siretart [06:15] I don't know if thats that cool, but I think its a necessary evil :( [06:15] siretart : but how is kismet related to libaa ? [06:16] comadreja: ah, you wasn't talking about libsdl? then forget my comment ;) [06:16] siretart : :) right away === jewel [~jewel@166.70.182.190] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:25] siretart: it's me for the libsdl upload ;) [06:26] pef: ok, then you know what to do ;) [06:27] siretart: yes, waiting the decision [06:27] I'd rather kick of that discussion myself, but I [06:27] but I'm too busy right now :( === goedson [~goedson@BHE052155.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:50] how do i search if there is a package in debian for something? === chrissturm needs wxgtk 2.6 [06:51] "apt-cache search" is usually a good way [06:51] chrissturm: use packages.debian.org [06:52] ok, ivoks still not here. and I gotta go [06:52] if ivoks returns (perhaps in 10 mins) tell him I'll really try to attend the TB Meeting tonight. [06:52] cu all! [06:52] bye [06:55] bye === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DanielN is now known as DanielN`aw === DanielN`aw is now known as DanielN [07:28] hmm, i would like to make packages for wxwindows 2.6, but when i uupdate -u ../wxGTK-2.6.1.tar.bz2 in the /wxwindows2.4-2.4.3.1ubuntu2 directory i get uupdate: "a native Debian package cannot take upstream updates" whats the reason for this? how can i make a wxgtk-2.6 package from a wxgtk-2.4 package? === havoc [~havoc@CPE-24-167-241-63.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:29] chrissturm, they get synced from debian, no need to make new ones === terrex [~terrex@84-122-80-126.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:30] ogra: there was a wx...2.5 package in ubuntu, but now there's only 2.4 [07:31] chrissturm, yes, we were waiting for 2.6 to apear in debian, which happened today [07:31] ah, great [07:31] ogra, can you explain what the error message means anyway? [07:32] you cant work with the bz2 right out the box... dpkg needs a orig.tar.gz .... [07:33] ok, i thought man uupdate mentioned that it supports bz2. [07:33] but thanks, i will just wait then [07:35] you can easily do it with cdbs afaik, but wxgtk is a beast it will take a lot of time to get the package right and you needa big disk... [07:39] too much for me as a .deb beginner then :) [07:39] yes, its nothing for beginners :) [07:40] i think ghc (haskell compiler) also needs a .deb pro [07:41] \sh, djvulibre builds this time :) [07:42] chrissturm: is ghc broken atm? [07:43] slomo, yep, ghc6 === chrissturm doesnt care much about haskell, but darcs would be fine :) [07:43] funny that darcs is written in haskell [07:43] chrissturm: what exactly? === chrissturm waits for someone to code a rcs in smalltalk [07:44] slomo, it doesnt build because of the cxx transition [07:46] chrissturm: hm, maybe i'll look at it this weekend but don't expect too much as i'm also a beginner ;) [07:46] slomo: ghc6 depends on ghc6, and on some other packages that also depend on ghc6 === apokryphos [~dw@host-84-9-34-80.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:50] chrissturm: wtf... it depends on itself? ok, nothing for me ;) === Burgundavia [~corey@24.68.140.150] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [~tritium@ee213-dhcp-19.ecn.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apokryphos [~dw@host-84-9-34-80.bulldogdsl.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] [08:24] I'm trying to make a package here, and it requires an xserver to connect to to work, how should I specify that in the dependencies? [08:25] eww [08:25] thats evil [08:25] and that wont work on a buildd [08:25] Firetech: what is it? [08:26] GNU sourceinstall === tritium [~tritium@ee213-dhcp-19.ecn.purdue.edu] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:26] what does it want an x server for? [08:26] I run it in a chroot, without X installed, and get this: [08:27] invalid command name "font" [08:27] while executing === dholbach_ [foobar@td9091dac.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:27] "font create font_button -family Helvetica -size 10 -weight normal" [08:27] hellas [08:27] (procedure "init_fonts" line 2) [08:27] invoked from within [08:27] "init_fonts" [08:27] (file "/usr/bin/sourceinstall" line 3148) [08:27] [08:27] that doesnt necesarily mean you need an X server === Lathiat looks [08:27] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps <- this should be funny :)) [08:28] ogra: What?!? Did I see you *recommend* cdbs earlier? [08:28] but if i prefix the command with DISPLAY=:0 (thus connect it to the xserver outside the chroot) it works fine === dholbach_ hugs jbailey for CDBS-ness :) === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [08:28] jbailey, for bz2 based beasts ;) [08:30] =) [08:30] Lathiat: do you want to test the package I've made? [08:32] schweeb: some of us have real jobs [08:32] schweeb: not pushing tapes around [08:34] how are you guys? [08:34] hi dholbach [08:35] jbailey: hiya [08:35] havoc: hello [08:36] chillywilly got me using ubuntu now [08:36] Cool. =) [08:36] :-) [08:36] so I'm lurking here to see how things are done ;) [08:37] Nice. =) The MOTUs are the backbone of much of what's cool about Ubuntu. [08:37] yeah, I'm also on #ubuntu-devel [08:37] If you have time to help, it would probably be *very* welcome. [08:37] I avoid the main "user" channels [08:38] I prever the developer channels to see how the beast is put together and maintainde [08:38] e.g. I've *been* using mandrake for years, and have been on #mandrake-cooker for years [08:38] thinking of moving *all* my stuff to ubuntu though [08:39] at least all the stuff *I* maintain [08:39] I didn't know mandrake had much in the way of community development. [08:39] hehe havoc- I just did that [08:39] jbailey: yeah, they do [08:39] cause Windows Recovery Console wiped my Partition table [08:39] Mez: :( [08:39] Funny, I wiped Windows off my laptop about 2 hours ago. [08:40] I'm working on a report for a "linux office" right now for a consulting firm [08:40] probably going to recomend ubuntu [08:40] they are debian people right now, so it shouldn't be difficult [08:41] most of the report is about translating the way office workers work in Windows to linux though [08:41] not really distro-specific [08:41] that and various stages of licensing [08:41] "fun" stuff :( [08:41] but I'm really liking ubuntu so far [08:42] the thing that I really like is the backports repository [08:42] ugh [08:42] bugports [08:42] as I understand it, that is where I'd get apps as they are released by their developers [08:42] yes? No? [08:42] havoc: No, they are applications backported from the development version to the current stable version [08:42] ah [08:42] havoc: that are unfortunately broken in too many cases [08:43] depends what you want [08:43] Lathiat: I've used backports and backports-staging for quite some time, and it never has been broken. [08:43] what I want is a way to get apps like mysql/apache/postfix/etc.. as they are released without waiting for the next release of ubuntu [08:44] Firetech: depends what you use... [08:44] havoc: release are only 6 months apart [08:44] havoc: for server stuff ike that, thats not an issue [08:44] for most people anyway [08:44] ok [08:46] I'm not talking security related stuff, as I'm sure that's already handled [08:46] not in backports [08:46] no, I mean officially [08:47] yes [08:47] but if you install backports stuff you wont get them [08:47] *cough* use the multiverse *cough* [08:47] gah, scrollback [08:47] uh [08:47] sladen: I'm still investigating/learning :) [08:47] sladen: here, have some context clues [08:47] tseng: :-0) [08:47] :-) [08:48] Lathiat: so say a new version of postgresql is released between releases of ubuntu and I just *have* to have it right away, would I be able to get it without building from source? [08:49] havoc: no, but if you *really* need it you could build a package yourself [08:49] postgres? not a chance [08:49] Lathiat: ok [08:49] havoc: that situation is unlikely however [08:49] software in main is not to be screwed with [08:49] upon pain of death [08:50] I assume he meant build my own package locally [08:50] synaptic-0.56+reverted+to+0.55+hoary+official === Lathiat umbles [08:50] err, mumbles === tseng feigns impartialness === havoc is impartial [08:51] well, 'lazy' anyway === terrex [~terrex@84-122-80-126.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:55] From: "linuxfanatic1024"