[12:02] <siretart> it does
[12:03] <siretart> but you have to look at details.py at the most current upload
[12:03] <siretart> (watch the upid parameter in the url)
[12:03] <ajmitch> siretart: it's not his fault, I see the same thing if I go to http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=114
[12:03] <siretart> damn you are right!
[12:04] <uniq> told you :)
[12:04] <ajmitch> because the latest upload is 117
[12:04] <siretart> how can this happen?
[12:04] <ajmitch> which is what is seen from the main page
[12:04] <siretart> ar, mom
[12:04] <ajmitch> but if you keep looking at the 114 page, then you'll get new uploads show there :)
[12:05] <siretart> hm
[12:05] <ajmitch> sigh, >1000 unread on debian-devel
[12:05] <siretart> you all confuse me :)
[12:05] <ajmitch> siretart: that's what we're here for ;)
[12:05] <siretart> the main page shows only upload 117, and the linked debdiff is somehow 'correct', is it?
[12:05] <ajmitch> siretart: yes
[12:06] <siretart> then there is no bug at all, is there?
[12:06] <siretart> ajmitch: apropos debian, when do you think gravity will upload xorg to unstable?
[12:07] <siretart> I'm a bit concerned about opengl build dependency issues
[12:07] <ajmitch> siretart: not sure, I think he was talking about after the c++ transition in debian
[12:07] <ajmitch> to avoid having 2 big breakages at once
[12:07] <ajmitch> brb
[12:07] <uniq> siretart: there is a bug if you reload the upid=114 page, do you expect people to start all over again from the main page when a package is updated?
[12:07] <siretart> ajmitch: well, the transition will last months! I cannot imagine he wants to wait that long..
[12:08] <siretart> uniq: no, but I expect people to klick on the 'latest' upload before pressing 'debdiff'
[12:09] <siretart> uniq: I know its a bit confusing, I try to get a more intutive ui for revu2
[12:09] <ajmitch> siretart: no it won't
[12:09] <ajmitch> you underestimate the power of >1000 DDs :)
[12:10] <ajmitch> people don't like a broken sid, so there are going to be NMU policies for outstanding packages
[12:10] <uniq> siretart: ok. :)
[12:11] <ajmitch> I'd say that a *lot* more people use sid than breezy
[12:11] <siretart> for sure, yes
[12:12] <ajmitch> I've got to spend more time than I have been on debian
[12:13] <ajmitch> I want to see etch rock, just like I want to see breezy & its successors rock ;)
[12:14] <siretart> .oO( sometimes it has advantages having few packages to maintain [2 for me atm]  :)
[12:14] <ajmitch> I've just got 10 in debian, but that's really just 2 upstream projects
[12:18] <ajmitch> especially if we try & get as much of our work back into etch as is possible
[12:23] <siretart> gn8 folks. (falling from chair)
[12:24] <slomo> gn8 siretart
[12:24] <dholbach> bye siretart
[12:27] <ajmitch> night siretart
[12:29] <uniq> gnite siretart.
[12:31] <uniq> anyone up for looking at kio-apt? i would really appreciate it. - http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=117
[01:25] <dholbach> good night everybody
[01:25] <uniq> gnite.
[03:56] <daniels> yo guys
[03:56] <daniels> what's the process to go through to get a new package into universe?
[03:56] <daniels> i'd like to see xvattr from marillat imported, since it's bloody useful
[03:57] <Amaranth> put it in revu?
[03:57] <Amaranth> i mean, after you've made/ported the package
[03:57] <daniels> the packaging is already done
[03:58] <daniels> am I allowed to just directly nominate stuff in UniverseCandidates?
[03:59] <tseng> daniels: the usual process is to upload to Revu and get three MOTUs to sign off
[03:59] <daniels> oh, rad
[04:00] <daniels> missed that part of the topic, sorry
[04:00] <tseng> its like mentors.debian on speed
[04:01] <daniels> heh
[04:08] <Amaranth> daniels: while you're here: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/xcursor-themes_1.0.0-1_all.deb:  trying to overwrite `/etc/X11/cursors/core.theme', which is also in package xlibs-data
[04:08] <daniels> Amaranth: interesting; that should be conflicting
[04:08] <daniels> whoops!  i'm shit
[04:08] <daniels> Amaranth: good catch, thanks
[04:08] <Amaranth> they should be?
[04:09] <Amaranth> i thought xcursor-themes was split off from xlibs-data
[04:09] <daniels> fix uploaded
[04:09] <daniels> yeah, it is
[04:09] <daniels> but it needs to conflict/replace the old version
[04:10] <Amaranth> ah
[04:10] <Amaranth> time to see if X works
[04:10] <Amaranth> yay
[04:11] <Amaranth> brb then, need to restart
[04:11] <uniq> gnite.
[05:42] <pepsix> howdy hi :D
[05:42] <pepsix> i was wondering why gradio gets installed into /usr/X11R6
[05:49] <ajmitch> because it hasn't been fixed & noone has yet filed a bug on malone to tell us of the problem
[06:26] <pepsix> ajmitch, i see
[06:27] <pepsix> shall i file a bug?
[09:05] <pef> hi
[09:38] <robitaille> question: I just noticed that wxpython isn't in Breezy, but was in Hoary.  is that a temporary problem or a permanent feature?
[09:38] <Burgundavia> wxwidgets is having some issues in general, I have noticed
[09:46] <JanC> robitaille : wxpython 2.4 is in breezy AFAIK
[09:46] <JanC> wxPython 2.5/2.6 isn't yet
[09:48] <JanC> libwxgtk2.4-python
[09:54] <robitaille> Burgundavia: 2.6 is coming soon?  It seems iPodder (which works fine in Hoary) doesn't in Breezy.  Looking at its release note, it appears the requirement is for wxpython2.5
[09:54] <Burgundavia> like I said before the netsplit, 2.5 had some license issues
[09:54] <Burgundavia> that 2.6 clears up
[10:01] <robitaille> Burgundavia:  but do you know if that "soon" for an incoming 2.6 is in the Breezy time frame or not?
[10:22] <pef> I want to package a library, in the source I have the library and binaries using this library. Should I built multiples packages, like libfoo-bin, libfoo-dev, libfoo for example ?
[10:25] <\sh> sure...something like this...or "foo" "libfoo" and "libfoo-dev"
[10:28] <pef> ok, another question : all the packages in breezy will have a backport for hoary ?
[10:29] <Burgundavia> pef, if a backport request is put in and it is sane
[10:30] <pef> ok, thank you :)
[10:33] <\sh> ogra: scott didn't reply
[10:33] <ogra> \sh, scott ?
[10:33] <\sh> wine
[10:33] <\sh> scott?
[10:34] <\sh> sure scott ritchie
[10:34] <ogra> ah, ok
[10:34] <\sh> but anyways...
[10:34] <ogra> yes
[10:35] <ajmitch> hi ogra, \sh
[10:35] <\sh> when I build his packages, put some replaces, conflicts and provides etc. in it, to match the debian binary package names...we should get a clean package
[10:36] <\sh> hey aj
[10:36] <ajmitch> ogra: so we should start asking elmo for syncs to unstable then? :)
[10:37] <ogra> ajmitch, yes, but note we have UVF for universe too
[10:37] <ajmitch> ogra: yes, I know
[10:37] <ogra> so it will always get checked through somemain guy
[10:39] <Burgundavia> ogra, see that gnome power 0.1.0 has hit
[10:39] <pef> if I have errors like "E: Broken packages" when I tried to install packages, should I made a bug report ?
[10:39] <ajmitch> ogra: well doko is the debian comaintainer of this package (python-imaging), but he uploaded to sid about the same time that UVF hit
[10:39] <ogra> Burgundavia, yes, till examining it... i doubt we need it... we already have pmi
[10:39] <ajmitch> just a minor release
[10:40] <ogra> s/till/still
[10:40] <ogra> ajmitch, sync it :)
[10:40] <Burgundavia> ogra, don't know whether it will be mature enough for breezy, but it seems like the way forward
[10:40] <ajmitch> ogra: ok, will ask elmo
[10:41] <ogra> Burgundavia, it has to be mature enough.... the question is with which version we'll go.... the current one needs loads of integration work... the next one should do better since hughsie now works very closely to us
[10:41] <Burgundavia> cool
[10:42] <sivang> any idea when PHP5 packages will be ready?
[10:42] <Treenaks> sivang: when you make them :P
[10:42] <sivang> Treenaks: hehe
[10:43] <sivang> Treenaks: Well, I understood it's better to wait for the debian maintainer to do them
[10:43] <Treenaks> sivang: maybe you can help?
[10:44] <sivang> Treenaks: how?
[10:44] <Treenaks> sivang: I don't know, ask him :)
[10:45] <sivang> Treenaks: he's around here any time?
[10:45] <ajmitch> sivang: sure, the php4 maintainer is infinity
[10:45] <sivang> ah! I had no idea
[10:45] <sivang> :-
[10:45] <ajmitch> and I see dilinger is listed as a co-maintainer
[10:52] <pef> do you think it may be usefull to make ubuntu package of marillat repository ?
[10:52] <Burgundavia> pef, that kind of stuff cannot be in the ubuntu repos
[10:52] <Burgundavia> and the backports people have a repo of it
[10:52] <pef> Burgundavia: because of legal issues ?
[10:53] <sivang> guys, what would be the right way to work with pbuilder? do changes out of the chroot to the package, then just use it for building?
[10:53] <Burgundavia> pef, most of the stuff in marilliat is copyright or patent landmines
[10:57] <pef> ohh ok
[10:58] <Burgundavia> like w32codecs is completely illegal
[10:58] <Burgundavia> both in the copyright and patent snese
[10:58] <Lathiat> indeed
[11:01] <\sh> hmmm
[11:02] <ogra> sivang, get the source with apt-get, make changes, docuent them with dch -i, build the source package with fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -S, then runn sudo pbuilder build ../foo.dsc
[11:02] <\sh> 30 packages can't be downloaded...*raisemybrow*
[11:02] <Treenaks> \sh: apt-get update
[11:02] <\sh> treen: no jigdo
[11:02] <Treenaks> \sh: mmmmh
[11:02] <\sh> trying to get a iso image ,-)
[11:03] <Treenaks> rsync :)
[11:03] <sivang> ogra: but after I built it with dpkg-buildpackage, or debuild for that matter, why do I need pbuilder? To make sure it builds in a clean chroot?
[11:04] <ogra> to make sure it builds on the buildd, yes... it checks the build-deps etc
[11:04] <sivang> ogra: ah cool, so it's mostly a tool to make sure something will buildd :-)
[11:05] <Treenaks> sivang: you only build the source (tar.gz/diff/dsc) with dpkg-buildpacke
[11:05] <ogra> sivang, yes and to give you a package thats built like on the buildd to test it
[11:05] <Treenaks> sivang: you make the binaries with pbuilder
[11:05] <\sh> sivang: it's a tool to see if it's build on your arch and it's another question if it's build on the buildd for other archs and also including your tested one ,-)
[11:11] <sivang> \sh: that's for sure :-) Guess I better be having my targetted arch near me
[11:32] <\sh> ok..installing daily breezy inside vmware
[11:58] <pef> Is it possible to add a package entry to malone ? libsdl1.2-dev isn't included in package list
[11:58] <Amaranth> file a bug
[11:58] <pef> ok, thanks
[11:59] <ogra> pef, main packages are not in malone
[11:59] <ogra> pef, bugzilla.ubuntu.com is the right place
[12:00] <Amaranth> oh, duh
[12:00] <Amaranth> didn't look at the package name :P
[12:01] <pef> I'm sure it is possible to add a package name
[12:01] <ogra> nope, only for the launcpad guys
[12:02] <Amaranth> anyone not running breezy, you're missing out on http://dev.realistanew.com/shiny2.png
[12:02] <ogra> it would produce havoc if everybody could add packages as he likes
[12:02] <Lathiat> Amaranth: rocks doesnt it
[12:02] <Lathiat> Amaranth: whats that icon next to yoru clock
[12:02] <Amaranth> volume?
[12:03] <Lathiat> oh
[12:03] <Lathiat> just a weird icon theme
[12:03] <Amaranth> i've got andy's new theme
[12:03] <Lathiat> also since when is the application icon canonicals logo
[12:03] <ogra> Amaranth, i'm just packaging it ;)
[12:03] <Amaranth> i did that
[12:03] <Lathiat> ah
[12:03] <Lathiat> it should be that
[12:03] <Amaranth> yes it should
[12:03] <ogra> Lathiat, it will
[12:03] <Lathiat> ogra: cool
[12:03] <Lathiat> but we're not going to have a stupid sidebar right
[12:03] <Lathiat> down the menu
[12:03] <Amaranth> *shudder*
[12:03] <ogra> its planned to go with Andys theme, he already has the icon ready
[12:04] <Amaranth> sidebar?
[12:04] <Lathiat> Amaranth: well some othe rdistros patche dthe application menu
[12:04] <Lathiat> to have a sidebar that says
[12:04] <Lathiat> "Novell"
[12:04] <Amaranth> make it a gconf option
[12:04] <Lathiat> or whatever
[12:04] <Lathiat> like windows does
[12:04] <ogra> Lathiat, only if we find a decent photo of you to put it there ;)
[12:04] <Lathiat> ogra: ;p
[12:05] <Amaranth> ogra: If you're packaging humility, please symlink gnome-fs-ftp.png to gnome-fs-ssh.png
[12:06] <ogra> hmm, thats Andys job...
[12:06] <Lathiat> i dont like th evolume icon
[12:06] <Amaranth> the stock icons are cool too
[12:06] <jsgotangco> brb
[12:07] <Lathiat> ive yet to find an icon theme i like
[12:07] <Lathiat> other than gnome
[12:07] <Lathiat> whatever fedora uses is... livable
[12:07] <Amaranth> fedora uses bluecurve
[12:35] <Mez> poop
[12:40] <Mez> poop
[12:55] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: I have a feeling you're up to no good with the 'Mircosoft' nick.
[12:55] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: no...
[12:55] <HostingGeek> MirCosoft
[12:56] <HostingGeek> Mir and Co Software
[01:24] <ivoks> hi
[01:24] <ivoks> siretart: ping
[01:24] <Mez> same for me :d
[01:33] <Amaranth> does anyone know whether or not livejournals have RSS feeds
[01:34] <Mithrandir> they do, just add /data/rss to the end
[01:34] <Amaranth> coolness
[01:37] <siretart> Mez: next time, better make your backups on something more reliable, like CD-r or DVD-RAM
[01:38] <Mez> lol :D I'm going to :D
[01:39] <Mez> gotta get kgpg recognising my keystore first thgouh
[01:50] <Mez> yeah :D
[01:52] <Mez> siretart: what email do I send it to?
[01:55] <siretart> Mez: thats documented on the REVU wiki page ;) - siretart@tauware.de
[01:55] <Mez> siretart, can I not just link you my webpage ?
[01:55] <Mez> http://www.sourceguru.net/pgp
[01:56] <siretart> I cannot do it right now, please send me an email I won't forget it when I find some time
[01:56] <Mez> lol
[01:57] <Mez> yeah, that depends on me reme3mbering when I set up my email client again
[02:45] <Hieronymus> ik denk dat ik dat nickserv script m'n wachtwoord nog moet vertellen..
[02:45] <ogra> Hieronymus, really ?
[02:45] <Hieronymus> wrong channel
[02:46] <ogra> heh
[02:46] <ogra> i guessed that
[02:56] <schweeb> I think I killed tseng
[02:56] <schweeb> I set him on fire last night, and he hasn't spoken since
[02:57] <\sh> bad boy ... what you gonna do...without tseng...no mono debs anymore...
[02:57] <\sh> ,-)
[02:58] <schweeb> pfft, tseng is overrated :P
[02:58] <ogra> he's probably still busy with burning
[02:58] <Mez> who's tseng setting fire to ?
[02:58] <schweeb> 22:14  * schweeb sets tseng on fire
[02:59] <schweeb> I so wanna just go back to bed right now
[02:59] <schweeb> but I have to work
[02:59] <schweeb> :(
[02:59] <Mez> lol
[02:59] <Mez> I gotta go job centre in a mo
[03:00] <chrissturm> guys, anyone working on fixing pgadmin3?
[03:00] <schweeb> is there a bug filed on it?
[03:01] <Mez> aw no! I gotta reset up my pbuilds!
[03:01] <Mez> grr
[03:01] <chrissturm> schweeb, dunno, i just tried to build it myself, but it failed with a strange error
[03:01] <schweeb> alright, I've exceeded my talk minutes for the morning
[03:01] <schweeb> time to head to work
[03:01] <schweeb> later dudes
[03:55] <pef> could someone have a look to http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=118 please , thanks !
[04:38] <ivoks> siretart: ping
[04:48] <pef> if I find only a .deb for a program, but no package sources, must I building a new package ? (for ubuntu)
[04:48] <Panzerboy> !forums alsaconf
[04:48] <\sh> pef: apt-cache showsrc <package> ?
[04:48] <ogra> pef, ask the guy who built the deb first
[04:48] <pef> \sh: not an official one
[04:49] <Panzerboy> sorry, wrong channel :)
[04:49] <pef> ogra: already done :)
[04:50] <\sh> pef: so ogras statement is uberruling
[04:50] <ivoks> i'll hurt siretart :)
[04:51] <pef> \sh: so with only a .deb I can't do anything I presume ?
[04:51] <\sh> nope
[04:52] <pef> mm
[04:53] <pef> I find some applications with only an unofficial .deb file, can I make a ubuntu version, so it will be imported into debian official tree ?
[04:54] <\sh> pef: ask the maintainer...debian packages are individual..so there's always a maintainer
[04:55] <pef> \sh: and if the maintainer doesn't want/doesn't have time to produce an official package ? What should I do if I want to make an ubuntu version ?
[04:56] <\sh> pef: assk him to take over his work, file an ITP or RFP at bugs.debian.org
[04:57] <\sh> prepare a package for ubuntu anyways, and put it on MOTUToReview or UniverseCandidates
[04:58] <pef> ok, thank you
[04:59] <JRe> pef: what package it is?
[04:59] <pef> JRe: http://miniracer.sourceforge.net/#dload for example, i've contacted the author
[05:00] <JRe> pef: hehe cool game :)
[05:00] <pef> yep :)
[05:05] <Amaranth> most of the time they'll have a debian dir in CVS if they are making debs
[05:17] <siretart> damn. missed ivoks again :)
[06:04] <pef> I need a sympatic motu :) http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=111
[06:06] <comadreja> if you find one, let him know about this http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=101
[06:07] <pef> comadreja: I already find 2 , I just need the last one ;)
[06:07] <comadreja> mine is an update, I only need one too :)
[06:10] <siretart> comadreja: I just made an comment to your upload, but I don't have time to make a post to ubuntu-devel about the aalib-> libaa transition
[06:11] <siretart> comadreja: this is indeed a problem which needs to be decided. If you have time, could you perhaps prepare a wiki package with pro and cons, pointers to past discussions about libaa transition? we will need that discussion anyway, I think
[06:14] <comadreja> cool siretart
[06:15] <siretart> I don't know if thats that cool, but I think its a necessary evil :(
[06:15] <comadreja> siretart : but how is kismet related to libaa ?
[06:16] <siretart> comadreja: ah, you wasn't talking about libsdl? then forget my comment ;)
[06:16] <comadreja> siretart : :) right away
[06:25] <pef> siretart: it's me for the libsdl upload ;)
[06:26] <siretart> pef: ok, then you know what to do ;)
[06:27] <pef> siretart: yes, waiting the decision
[06:27] <siretart> I'd rather kick of that discussion myself, but I
[06:27] <siretart> but I'm too busy right now :(
[06:50] <chrissturm> how do i search if there is a package in debian for something?
[06:51] <jamessan|work> "apt-cache search" is usually a good way
[06:51] <siretart> chrissturm: use packages.debian.org
[06:52] <siretart> ok, ivoks still not here. and I gotta go
[06:52] <siretart> if ivoks returns (perhaps in 10 mins) tell him I'll really try to attend the TB Meeting tonight.
[06:52] <siretart> cu all!
[06:52] <chrissturm> bye
[06:55] <pef> bye
[07:28] <chrissturm> hmm, i would like to make packages for wxwindows 2.6, but when i uupdate -u ../wxGTK-2.6.1.tar.bz2 in the /wxwindows2.4-2.4.3.1ubuntu2 directory i get uupdate: "a native Debian package cannot take upstream updates" whats the reason for this? how can i make a wxgtk-2.6 package from a wxgtk-2.4 package?
[07:29] <ogra> chrissturm, they get synced from debian, no need to make new ones
[07:30] <chrissturm> ogra: there was a wx...2.5 package in ubuntu, but now there's only 2.4
[07:31] <ogra> chrissturm, yes, we were waiting for 2.6 to apear in debian, which happened today
[07:31] <chrissturm> ah, great
[07:31] <chrissturm> ogra, can you explain what the error message means anyway?
[07:32] <ogra> you cant work with the bz2 right out the box... dpkg needs a orig.tar.gz ....
[07:33] <chrissturm> ok, i thought man uupdate mentioned that it supports bz2.
[07:33] <chrissturm> but thanks, i will just wait then
[07:35] <ogra> you can easily do it with cdbs afaik, but wxgtk is a beast it will take a lot of time to get the package right and you needa big disk...
[07:39] <chrissturm> too much for me as a .deb beginner then :)
[07:39] <ogra> yes, its nothing for beginners :)
[07:40] <chrissturm> i think ghc (haskell compiler) also needs a .deb pro
[07:41] <ogra> \sh, djvulibre builds this time :)
[07:42] <slomo> chrissturm: is ghc broken atm?
[07:43] <chrissturm> slomo, yep, ghc6
[07:43] <chrissturm> funny that darcs is written in haskell
[07:43] <slomo> chrissturm: what exactly?
[07:44] <chrissturm> slomo, it doesnt build because of the cxx transition
[07:46] <slomo> chrissturm: hm, maybe i'll look at it this weekend but don't expect too much as i'm also a beginner ;)
[07:46] <chrissturm> slomo: ghc6 depends on ghc6, and on some other packages that also depend on ghc6
[07:50] <slomo> chrissturm: wtf... it depends on itself? ok, nothing for me ;)
[08:24] <Firetech> I'm trying to make a package here, and it requires an xserver to connect to to work, how should I specify that in the dependencies?
[08:25] <Lathiat> eww
[08:25] <Lathiat> thats evil
[08:25] <Lathiat> and that wont work on a buildd
[08:25] <Lathiat> Firetech: what is it?
[08:26] <Firetech> GNU sourceinstall
[08:26] <Lathiat> what does it want an x server for?
[08:26] <Firetech> I run it in a chroot, without X installed, and get this:
[08:27] <Firetech> invalid command name "font"
[08:27] <Firetech>     while executing
[08:27] <Firetech> "font create font_button -family Helvetica -size 10 -weight normal"
[08:27] <dholbach_> hellas
[08:27] <Firetech>     (procedure "init_fonts" line 2)
[08:27] <Firetech>     invoked from within
[08:27] <Firetech> "init_fonts"
[08:27] <Firetech>     (file "/usr/bin/sourceinstall" line 3148)
[08:27] <Firetech> 
[08:27] <Lathiat> that doesnt necesarily mean you need an X server
[08:27] <dholbach_> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps   <-  this should be funny :))
[08:28] <jbailey> ogra: What?!?  Did I see you *recommend* cdbs earlier?
[08:28] <Firetech> but if i prefix the command with DISPLAY=:0 (thus connect it to the xserver outside the chroot) it works fine
[08:28] <ogra> jbailey, for bz2 based beasts ;)
[08:30] <jbailey> =)
[08:30] <Firetech> Lathiat: do you want to test the package I've made?
[08:32] <tseng> schweeb: some of us have real jobs
[08:32] <tseng> schweeb: not pushing tapes around
[08:34] <dholbach> how are you guys?
[08:34] <tseng> hi dholbach
[08:35] <havoc> jbailey: hiya
[08:35] <jbailey> havoc: hello
[08:36] <havoc> chillywilly got me using ubuntu now
[08:36] <jbailey> Cool. =)
[08:36] <dholbach> :-)
[08:36] <havoc> so I'm lurking here to see how things are done ;)
[08:37] <jbailey> Nice.  =)  The MOTUs are the backbone of much of what's cool about Ubuntu.
[08:37] <havoc> yeah, I'm also on #ubuntu-devel
[08:37] <jbailey> If you have time to help, it would probably be *very* welcome.
[08:37] <havoc> I avoid the main "user" channels
[08:38] <havoc> I prever the developer channels to see how the beast is put together and maintainde
[08:38] <havoc> e.g. I've *been* using mandrake for years, and have been on #mandrake-cooker for years
[08:38] <havoc> thinking of moving *all* my stuff to ubuntu though
[08:39] <havoc> at least all the stuff *I* maintain
[08:39] <jbailey> I didn't know mandrake had much in the way of community development.
[08:39] <Mez> hehe havoc-  I just did that
[08:39] <havoc> jbailey: yeah, they do
[08:39] <Mez> cause Windows Recovery Console wiped my Partition table
[08:39] <havoc> Mez: :(
[08:39] <jbailey> Funny, I wiped Windows off my laptop about 2 hours ago.
[08:40] <havoc> I'm working on a report for a "linux office" right now for a consulting firm
[08:40] <havoc> probably going to recomend ubuntu
[08:40] <havoc> they are debian people right now, so it shouldn't be difficult
[08:41] <havoc> most of the report is about translating the way office workers work in Windows to linux though
[08:41] <havoc> not really distro-specific
[08:41] <havoc> that and various stages of licensing
[08:41] <havoc> "fun" stuff :(
[08:41] <havoc> but I'm really liking ubuntu so far
[08:42] <havoc> the thing that I really like is the backports repository
[08:42] <Lathiat> ugh
[08:42] <Lathiat> bugports
[08:42] <havoc> as I understand it, that is where I'd get apps as they are released by their developers
[08:42] <havoc> yes?  No?
[08:42] <Lathiat> havoc: No, they are applications backported from the development version to the current stable version
[08:42] <havoc> ah
[08:42] <Lathiat> havoc: that are unfortunately broken in too many cases
[08:43] <Lathiat> depends what you want
[08:43] <Firetech> Lathiat: I've used backports and backports-staging for quite some time, and it never has been broken.
[08:43] <havoc> what I want is a way to get apps like mysql/apache/postfix/etc.. as they are released without waiting for the next release of ubuntu
[08:44] <Lathiat> Firetech: depends what you use...
[08:44] <Lathiat> havoc: release are only 6 months apart
[08:44] <Lathiat> havoc: for server stuff ike that, thats not an issue
[08:44] <Lathiat> for most people anyway
[08:44] <havoc> ok
[08:46] <havoc> I'm not talking security related stuff, as I'm sure that's already handled
[08:46] <Lathiat> not in backports
[08:46] <havoc> no, I mean officially
[08:47] <Lathiat> yes
[08:47] <Lathiat> but if you install backports stuff you wont get them
[08:47] <sladen> *cough* use the multiverse *cough*
[08:47] <sladen> gah, scrollback
[08:47] <tseng> uh
[08:47] <havoc> sladen: I'm still investigating/learning :)
[08:47] <tseng> sladen: here, have some context clues
[08:47] <sladen> tseng: :-0)
[08:47] <sladen> :-)
[08:48] <havoc> Lathiat: so say a new version of postgresql is released between releases of ubuntu and I just *have* to have it right away, would I be able to get it without building from source?
[08:49] <Lathiat> havoc: no, but if you *really* need it you could build a package yourself
[08:49] <tseng> postgres? not a chance
[08:49] <havoc> Lathiat: ok
[08:49] <Lathiat> havoc: that situation is unlikely however
[08:49] <tseng> software in main is not to be screwed with
[08:49] <tseng> upon pain of death
[08:50] <havoc> I assume he meant build my own package locally
[08:50] <Lathiat> synaptic-0.56+reverted+to+0.55+hoary+official
[08:50] <Lathiat> err, mumbles
[08:51] <havoc> well, 'lazy' anyway
[08:55] <tseng> From:   "linuxfanatic1024" <dlist@ubuntuforums.org>
[08:55] <tseng> Pardon me for asking this, but why do we need .NET for Linux development
[08:55] <tseng> anyway? Isn't that an M$ only thing?
[08:56] <tseng> i *was* falling asleep
[08:57] <Lathiat> heh
[08:57] <chrissturm> tseng: do you know this ide: http://www.omnicore.com/xdevelop.htm looks very nice
[08:57] <Lathiat> i tried it out
[08:57] <Lathiat> it... works
[08:57] <Lathiat> cool that it supports mono
[08:57] <Lathiat> and has all the magic, context help etc
[08:58] <Lathiat> but i just cant stand ides like that
[08:58] <chrissturm> it seems to be the most complete refactoring ide for .net and mono
[08:58] <Lathiat> altho context help is nice
[08:58] <tseng> we are shipping monodevelop
[08:58] <Lathiat> iirc xdevleop is non-free anyway
[08:58] <Lathiat> i think you get a 30 day trial or something
[08:58] <chrissturm> tseng, i know, but x-develop is much more advanced
[08:58] <chrissturm> right
[08:58] <Lathiat> advancaed is subjective
[08:59] <chrissturm> of course
[08:59] <tseng> monodevelop doesnt start at $300
[08:59] <Lathiat> exactly
[08:59] <Lathiat> also
[08:59] <Lathiat> building kernels on 133mhz mips with 2M/s disk io isnt fun
[08:59] <chrissturm> i am doing a lot of java development
[08:59] <Lathiat> in case anyone was wandering
[08:59] <Lathiat> chrissturm: eclipse!
[09:00] <Lathiat> at least its free, anyway
[09:00] <chrissturm> i could use eclipse which is free
[09:00] <tseng> chrissturm: if you want to use it, be our guest :)
[09:00] <tseng> i have about . this much interest
[09:00] <chrissturm> but i use IDEA which costs 599usd
[09:00] <Lathiat> tseng: that much? wow
[09:00] <chrissturm> hehe
[09:00] <tseng> Lathiat: enlarged to show texture
[09:01] <Lathiat> ... 23 minutes in i just hit mm/
[09:01] <tseng> kernel?
[09:01] <Lathiat> yeh
[09:02] <Lathiat> all thsi just to get my indycam working :P
[09:02] <Lathiat> heh
[09:02] <Lathiat> produces pure black images on 2.4.27
[09:02] <Lathiat> trying 2.6.12
[09:02] <tseng> the last shot i saw from one "working" was all green
[09:02] <tseng> im not sure what the attraction is
[09:03] <Lathiat> tseng: because i have one
[09:03] <tseng> throw it out :)
[09:03] <Lathiat> haha
[09:03] <Lathiat> sif
[09:03] <slomo> what has to be done when a package in the archive has broken (binary) dependencies which could be solved just by a rebuild? add build1 to the version or something else?
[09:04] <Lathiat> increment the debian version?
[09:04] <Lathiat> i.e. 2.3-1ubuntu1 -> 2.3-1ubuntu2 :: not that i know
[09:05] <dholbach> doko added "build1" to the simple c++ rebuilds
[09:05] <Lathiat> ah
[09:05] <dholbach> i'm not sure when to use it and when to do something else
[09:05] <tseng> ogra knows
[09:05] <dholbach> i guess it makes sense, when there is no ubuntu revision yet
[09:06] <ogra> build1 is right
[09:06] <ogra> ye
[09:06] <ogra> s
[09:06] <slomo> ogra: ok, thanks :)
[09:07] <Lathiat> night all
[09:07] <dholbach> but assume this case: 5.4-2 (debian version), we add a fix -> 5.4-2ubuntu1 -> now it has to be rebuilt for another reason - why add build1? if we sync 5.4-3 from debian, there have merges to be done anyway
[09:07] <dholbach> night lamont
[09:07] <dholbach> night Lathiat
[09:07] <dholbach> GRMBL
[09:07] <Lathiat> :)
[09:07] <dholbach> perhaps to indicate that it was rebuilt
[09:08] <dholbach> ... *shrug*
[09:09] <lamont__> afternoon dholbach  :-)
[09:09] <ogra> dholbach, your first guess was right
[09:09] <chrissturm> dholbach: if its ubuntu once it stays ubuntu
[09:10] <ogra> you dont add bildX to ubuntuX versions
[09:10] <dholbach> yeah
[09:10] <dholbach> so everybody knows now
[09:10] <dholbach> :)
[09:10] <ogra> dholbach, why havent you been at the distro team meeting in udu? :)
[09:10] <Mez> ogra, wanna talk tonight about backports?
[09:11] <dholbach> ogra: i'm not sure, what i did then
[09:11] <dholbach> something important obviously
[09:11] <ogra> Mez, i'm a bit busy today...
[09:12] <ogra> Mez, oh, you mean at the TB meeting ?
[09:12] <ogra> sure, why not
[09:12] <tseng> (we already had a backports meeting?)
[09:13] <tseng> it was my understanding we are still waiting for certain people to come through with things they said they would do
[09:13] <ogra> tseng, yes, but the infrastructure is in place now and we'll need a policy
[09:13] <tseng> we discussed a policy
[09:13] <tseng> it was not documented as we agreed on
[09:13] <slomo> Mez: i've created the backports wikipage on saturday... is everything ok this way?
[09:14] <tseng> same as no one filled out the agenda for the first meeting
[09:14] <tseng> until i forced MOTUs to do it on the day of
[09:15] <Mez> slomo :D looks cool :d
[09:15] <Mez> ogra, yeah :D
[09:16] <Mez> tseng: we need to sort out how it's going to go about :d we've got the sbuild's in place
[09:16] <Mez> but we need to know whether we do direct uploads, or whther theres somethign we poke and it auto-backports
[09:17] <Mez> mdz said something we poke, adn then we fix thigns in breezy if they dont automatically do it, which I agree..
[09:17] <Mez> but... so far just the sbuilds are in place and I know nothing more than that
[09:17] <Mez> there's rules on WHAT to backport but not HOW
[09:17] <tseng> that sounds like a question for mdz to me
[09:18] <tseng> meh.
[09:18] <Burgundavia> I think we were wating for jdong to get his key signed, afaicr
[09:18] <Mez> yeah, but - it should still go through tech board aswell :d
[09:18] <dholbach> there seems to be some stuff missing on CxxLibraryList
[09:18] <Mez> Burgundavia, if there's no direct upload, we don't need that
[09:18] <apokryphos> Hi guys, trying to make a package. Reading the notes, "Packages not in debian yet should start with revision -0ubuntu1"... should they really *start*, with that?
[09:18] <tseng> Mez: uh
[09:18] <tseng> Mez: we definately do.
[09:18] <chrissturm> apokryphos, nope, end
[09:19] <Mez> tseng: why? if all he does is say "backport this"
[09:19] <Mez> rahter than actually MAKING the backport
[09:19] <apokryphos> chrissturm: Thanks. Also, where (of all places), should the extra -0ubuntu1 be specified?
[09:19] <tseng> i cant imagine anyone getting access to any part of ubuntu infrastrcture w/o having a strongly signed key
[09:19] <Mez> then he doesnt necessarily need one
[09:19] <tseng> proof of identity
[09:19] <apokryphos> chrissturm: suffice it to say, I'm new to this.
[09:19] <Mez> tseng - he can do a public notary for that
[09:20] <Mez> + until this morning, I had a signed key.
[09:20] <Mez> lol
[09:21] <tseng> I really dont see anyone influencing the archives, automated or not, with no keys
[09:21] <tseng> but lets just leave that as speculation
[09:24] <apokryphos> Anyone else? Where should the extra -0ubuntu1 be specified? Just in the debian/changelog?
[09:24] <dholbach> apokryphos: yes
[09:24] <apokryphos> thanks
[09:25] <\sh> *yawn* evening
[09:26] <dholbach> we really should add  -Werror  by default
[09:26] <\sh> just in time :)
[09:27] <comadreja> \sh : I saw in some irc logs on google that you had a problem with pbuilder
[09:28] <\sh> comadreja: not anymore :) pbuilder and I are good friends in the meantime ;)
[09:28] <comadreja> \sh : some error on update-notifier that doesn't let you create the base
[09:28] <comadreja> \sh : great, how did you solve it, I'm having it now
[09:28] <\sh> i removed it in /etc/pbuilder/apt.conf/....
[09:28] <comadreja> removed what ?
[09:29] <\sh> u copy /etc/apt to /etc/pbuilder/apt.conf/
[09:29] <comadreja> yep
[09:29] <\sh> and in apt.conf.d/ there is a 99update-notifier
[09:29] <\sh> rm 99update-notifier
[09:29] <comadreja> oh, cool :D
[09:30] <comadreja> thanks a million :)
[09:30] <\sh> but important notice
[09:30] <\sh> never try to build a pbuilder right now with breezy...it doesn't work
[09:30] <\sh> create a pbuilder for hoary and update it to breezy as on the PbuilderHowto explained
[09:31] <comadreja> oh, yes, that I know
[09:31] <comadreja> but it did even fail with hoary
[09:32] <\sh> not for me anymore..i'm running 2 pbuilders right now, one hoary and one breezy..and I just some examples from pbuilder homepage..
[09:32] <\sh> they're helping a lot
[09:32] <comadreja> you could wirte a howto on the wiki
[09:32] <\sh> ogra: ping btw
[09:33] <\sh> comadreja: I would like..in the moment I'm lacking of time :( I need to write my howto to the end for building packages from scratch :( I need free time ..
[09:33] <comadreja> \sh: that would help a lot of people, including me
[09:33] <\sh> comadreja: i know :)
[09:34] <\sh> and I would like to take the pain from everybody
[09:38] <comadreja> that's really nice of you
[09:40] <\sh> comadreja: it's difficult right now for me, to find the right time schedule...I want to get rid of all this cxx trans crap..and we need to rebuild 515 apps at least for the cxx trans...I need to right docs..I want to get in touch with ogra and power manager and I need to get my fingers on a kde interface for updatemanager
[09:42] <comadreja> \sh: that's a lot of work... I could help with the cxx thans
[09:43] <\sh> comadreja: apt-cache rdepends libstdc++5
[09:44] <\sh> check the apps and take some from universe
[09:44] <comadreja> thanks, that also should be documented on the wiki
[09:44] <comadreja> because I'm finding quite
[09:45] <comadreja> quite difficult to gather the appropriate information
[09:45] <dholbach> \sh: some could be on UniverseUnmetDeps as well
[09:45] <dholbach> \sh: i found a lib which wasn't on CxxLibraryList yet
[09:45] <\sh> dholbach: yeah
[09:45] <dholbach> \sh: and i'm sure, we'll find some others as well
[09:45] <\sh> we have a bloody load of work...and it would be nice, to get all 20 motus
[09:45] <dholbach> absolutely
[09:46] <dholbach> for reviewing as well
[09:46] <\sh> dholbach: we find them in main, we find them everywhere
[09:46] <dholbach> we're drowning in work :)
[09:46] <\sh> dholbach: split work sometimes :) is the best
[09:46] <dholbach> but we'll make it
[09:46] <\sh> actually...now we have a mistress ,-) she'll whip us to hell if we don't make it ,-)
[09:47] <dholbach> i hope that helps
[09:47] <dholbach> i'll do my part and get my thesis done :-)
[09:47] <\sh> heard u r from september on in berlin?
[09:48] <dholbach> YES! :-D
[09:48] <dholbach> ROCK'N'ROLL!
[09:48] <\sh> hmm...
[09:48] <\sh> the first 2 weeks of september i don't know what I should do...and Treenaks wants to visit berlin...so
[09:49] <Treenaks> \sh: yes, exactly :)
[09:49] <\sh> and no: I DON'T WANT TO WORK ,-)
[09:49] <dholbach> hahahaha
[09:49] <\sh> lifting glasses of beer, ok, but less hacking on a keyboard
[09:49] <\sh> I really need some releave
[09:50] <dholbach> my place will be a complete mess, but i won't say no to some beer :)
[09:50] <\sh> dholbach: that's a word...and my place is also a mess..so don't clean up the mess *lol*
[09:50] <dholbach> everything still in boxes, ...
[09:50] <dholbach> come on guys, everybody picks 2 packages from UniverseUnmetDeps
[09:50] <dholbach> then 2 new ones
[09:51] <dholbach> most of them are easy stuff
[09:51] <comadreja> I'll take two, recommendations ?
[09:51] <dholbach> make them build and installable
[09:51] <Treenaks> \sh, dholbach, ogra: we need to coordinate about this a bit more :)
[09:51] <dholbach> pick any :)
[09:52] <\sh> what's this?
[09:52] <comadreja> something easy ...
[09:52] <\sh> it's a mess
[09:52] <\sh> there is a mess on the wiki pae
[09:52] <\sh> +g
[09:52] <comadreja> first two ?
[09:53] <\sh> ah come on...easy crap
[09:53] <dholbach> comadreja: ace will be a pain, ask \sh
[09:53] <\sh> don't take ace
[09:53] <\sh> ace will be fixed by debian upstream
[09:53] <dholbach> \sh: there are ~400 packages, please don't make it a LOOOONG table :)
[09:53] <\sh> no wais
[09:53] <\sh> -i+y
[09:53] <\sh> I'll delete them _one ... by .... one_
[09:54] <comadreja> then, not ace
[09:54] <comadreja> ac12 ?
[09:54] <\sh> comadreja: whatever u like I'm starting in the middle
[09:54] <\sh> and when we're finished with the meeting, we're done, ok?
[09:54] <comadreja> I start at the beginning :)
[09:54] <comadreja> hehe
[09:55] <\sh> at least I will get a complain from elmo, why again I'm poking the buildd ,-
[09:56] <\sh> )
[09:56] <dholbach> i take gnucash
[09:56] <dholbach> Treenaks: what do you want me to do with it?
[09:57] <Treenaks> dholbach: oh, just look at the gnucash source.. you'll figure it out
[09:57] <dholbach> yeah, i patched it one time :)
[09:58] <\sh> dholbach is my man :)
[10:03] <comadreja> damn, now pbuilder fails to update
[10:03] <comadreja> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:03] <comadreja>  dhcp3-client
[10:03] <comadreja>  ubuntu-minimal
[10:03] <comadreja>  ubuntu-base
[10:04] <\sh> dholbach: we can discuss it here on -motu
[10:05] <\sh> dholbach: I just talked with ogra about wine.
[10:05] <\sh> and pointed out that mark wants to have winehq packages from scott...and mark is ++ with it
[10:06] <diamond> lo folks
[10:06] <dholbach> hi diamond
[10:06] <diamond> dholbach: hey
[10:06] <\sh> so...what are we doing? i want to have scotts packages as well...I just mailed him, he doesn't replyed. anyways..should we take them?
[10:07] <dholbach> whoever gets them in, has to take care of them
[10:07] <dholbach> maintain them
[10:07] <dholbach> look after them
[10:07] <\sh> dholbach: I want to have scott for it...but I think he's not reachable
[10:07] <dholbach> that's a problem
[10:07] <ogra> dholbach, we have to have the winehq packages in breezy... no choice, sabdfls word
[10:08] <\sh> dholbach: but Idon't mind to take them on my back
[10:08] <dholbach> they won't work on my hardware, so i can't maintain them
[10:08] <ogra> \sh, i merged your djvu changes into dokos upload... currently testbuilding...
[10:08] <\sh> ah
[10:08] <ogra> *sigh*
[10:09] <\sh> ogra: i thought doko uploaded ,-)
[10:09] <diamond> ogra: ah, the man himself!
[10:09] <diamond> ogra: i have some time, just about to start poking gksudo
[10:10] <dholbach> what about another review day in 2 weeks?
[10:10] <ogra> \sh, doko only looked at malone
[10:10] <ogra> \sh, eh didnt fix the ftbfs
[10:10] <\sh> ogra: I included the ***** bugzilla entry
[10:10] <ogra> i know
[10:10] <\sh> ogra: which one?
[10:10] <ogra> doko was blind
[10:11] <ogra> of djvu
[10:11] <\sh> my patch?
[10:11] <ogra> yep
[10:11] <\sh> what else? it worked on i386
[10:11] <ogra> just building it
[10:11] <dholbach> what is going on with libaa*?
[10:11] <\sh> argl
[10:11] <\sh> i hate this 32bit 64bit bla thing
[10:11] <dholbach> somebody said something about a transition?
[10:11] <\sh> ogra: can u provide me with some amd64 build logs from your pbuilder please?
[10:12] <\sh> I have to poke mithrandir to exachange my ssh key
[10:12] <ogra> ergh
[10:12] <ogra> its nearly done with the build...
[10:12] <\sh> stop it , restart and &> |mailto sh@sourcecode.de
[10:13] <\sh> *blink*
[10:13] <ogra> let me finish this build first, i want to have it uploaded
[10:13] <dholbach> HA! 1ST PACKAGE DONE! :)))
[10:13] <\sh> ogra: ok...do me a favor...upload the ftbfs package..so I can have a look at it on lamonts build logs..forppc etc.
[10:14] <ogra> \sh, the ftbfs is the current one in the archive
[10:14] <\sh> argl...and gnomemm needs some hate...why do i have always gnome c++ stuff?
[10:14] <\sh> ogra: without my patch?
[10:14] <ogra> doko only changed the missing c2 bit
[10:14] <\sh> yeah
[10:14] <\sh> but my patch fixed at least one ftbfs
[10:14] <ogra> yep
[10:15] <ogra> it built fine here... i'll upload it
[10:15] <dholbach> hey sistpoty :)
[10:15] <\sh> ah thank u
[10:15] <\sh> welcome sistopy
[10:15] <sistpoty> hi dholbach
[10:15] <sistpoty> hi \sh
[10:16] <sistpoty> hi all ;)
[10:16] <\sh> when can we see u as a motu?
[10:16] <ogra> \sh, so you still need a buildlog ?
[10:16] <sistpoty> \sh: well... i've set myself on the member-page... so I think maybe soon :)
[10:17] <\sh> ogra: forget it :)
[10:17] <\sh> if it's compiled at amd64 everything else is not bugging me right now
[10:18] <ogra> \sh, know the newest joke ?
[10:18] <\sh> ogra: I'm pregnant?
[10:18] <\sh> no
[10:18] <\sh> ish will fire me?
[10:18] <\sh> yes :)
[10:18] <ogra> \sh, we'll need a new djvulibre upstream version anyway, for the next evince ;)
[10:18] <\sh> *rotfl*
[10:18] <\sh> thx
[10:18] <\sh> u r always a friend ;)
[10:18] <\sh> *lol*
[10:19] <ogra> seb128 is just waiting for the next debian package
[10:19] <\sh> NO!
[10:19] <\sh> sistpoty: I would like to see u in our team...:)
[10:19] <sistpoty> thanks, \sh
[10:19] <\sh> but for main is uvf
[10:19] <\sh> hard one
[10:21] <diamond> can anyone tell me how to file a 'wish-list' bug?
[10:21] <diamond> can't see anything
[10:21] <Burgundavia> severity: enhancment
[10:21] <diamond> Burgundavia: ah hah. right, thanks.
[10:22] <comadreja> for aboot which kernel headers should I use ?
[10:22] <comadreja> 2.6.12-3 ?
[10:24] <sistpoty> btw.: can anybody sync java-package from debian? current version in breezy is not working (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=313555)
[10:25] <siretart> hi folks
[10:25] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[10:25] <dholbach> sistpoty: could you talk to doko about that? he's the java coordinator
[10:26] <siretart> did the tb meeting already begin?
[10:26] <dholbach> nope
[10:26] <sistpoty> dholbach: ok, where do I find him?
[10:26] <\sh> nope
[10:26] <\sh> wrong time again on wiki page
[10:26] <siretart> wrong time? when is it then?
[10:27] <siretart> sistpoty: he is often around in this channel, and also in #ubuntu-devel
[10:27] <sistpoty> ok, I'll try to meet him ;)
[10:27] <dholbach> sistpoty: i thought he was in #u-meeting
[10:28] <dholbach> sistpoty: don't worry
[10:29] <\sh> siretart: 22utc
[10:29] <siretart> 22utc? uff. thats late..
[10:30] <siretart> need to get up early.. .(
[10:30] <\sh> siretart: not only u
[10:31] <\sh> siretart: and right now, my new girl will like it *grmpf*
[10:31] <siretart> \sh: oh. Well, I'm right now at my gf ;)
[10:32] <\sh> siretart: tell her, she's not the only one
[10:32] <\sh> hmm..the music: huew lewis: stuck with you ,->
[10:33] <siretart> lol
[10:33] <\sh> gnomemm done
[10:33] <\sh> first one
[10:35] <\sh> I'M done at the end of the meeting told ya ,-)
[10:35] <comadreja> what happens to libgmp3 ?
[10:35] <comadreja> doesn't exist ?
[10:35] <ajmitch> renamed to libgmp3c2, I think
[10:36] <dholbach> the packages on the list are '''sourec packages'''
[10:36] <dholbach> source even
[10:36] <dholbach> :)
[10:36] <\sh> try to b-d to the dev packages
[10:37] <siretart> dholbach: I tried to recompile kaffe, which depends on libgmp3. even after recompile ${shlibs} is still at libgmp3 instead of libgmp3c2. what I am doing wrong?
[10:37] <dholbach> broken shlibs of libgmp3?
[10:38] <\sh> check libgmp3
[10:38] <\sh> pls
[10:38] <\sh> get the source
[10:39] <\sh> and check shlibs
[10:39] <\sh> (inside or outside rules)
[10:41] <siretart> I'm not at home, so I cannot check gmp right now. will do tomorrow evening
[10:41] <Burgundavia> tseng, can we pull in beagle .12?
[10:41] <tseng> yes?
[10:42] <Burgundavia> tseng, I am just being purely selfish and annoying. I suspect that .12 fixes the bloody blam memory issue
[10:42] <tseng> it fixes alot of issues
[10:43] <tseng> but its not just beagle, it pulls in new gmime and gsf iirc
[10:43] <Burgundavia> ouch
[10:43] <tseng> or is it gmime and evo-sharp
[10:43] <tseng> yes
[10:43] <tseng> im not in a big hurry.
[10:43] <Burgundavia> ok, I will stop bugging you
[10:44] <tseng> sortof demotivated by mono upstream
[10:44] <\sh> ghemical finished
[10:44] <\sh> no..gimageview ;)
[10:45] <\sh> ghemical as well...doko did
[10:48] <Mez> slomo, ping
[10:49] <dholbach> siretart: it's build<n> not built<n> :)
[10:49] <siretart> dholbach: damn. franconian desease... :/
[10:49] <dholbach> :)
[10:49] <\sh> girl is w8ing
[10:49] <Mez> dholbach, I said that too :D hehe :D
[10:50] <Mez> but doesnt built<n> supercede build<N>
[10:54] <Mez> siretart :D gotit?
[10:55] <siretart> Mez: I sent it for you
[10:57] <dholbach> please make sure, the stuff is installable after you rebuilt it (every single binary package), kthxbye :)
[10:58] <siretart> dholbach: I tested it via a pbuilder hook, I will need to recheck that hook now that it obviously doesn't work :/
[10:59] <dholbach> siretart: i meant everybody in here, not just you :)
[10:59] <\sh> gkrelldnet_0.14.2-1build1_source.changes uploaded
[11:00] <Mez> siretart - what?
[11:00] <siretart> Mez: your key. to the keyserver
[11:00] <Mez> oh, I jsut did aswell siretart
[11:01] <siretart> no problem
[11:10] <\sh> hehhe
[11:10] <\sh> I just can't get enough ... from my girl :)
[11:11] <comadreja> I'm fixing gcl, but the fix involves changing code from original... should I continue ? I have already fixed some
[11:11] <\sh> comadreja: patchwork :)
[11:11] <\sh> diff -ue
[11:11] <\sh> -e+r
[11:12] <dholbach> that needs to be put in debian/patches
[11:12] <\sh> + mkdir debian/patches + vi rules
[11:12] <dholbach> the use of dpatch or cdbs-edit-patch is highly recommended
[11:12] <\sh> comadreja: easy one :)
[11:12] <comadreja> thanks, is there any howto about that ?
[11:13] <\sh> dpatch don't use it...simple-patch-kit from cdbs is ok
[11:13] <dholbach> http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7
[11:13] <\sh> or if it's only a single patch
[11:13] <dholbach> \sh: only if debian/rules is using cdbs already
[11:13] <\sh> do it by hand...easier to read
[11:13] <\sh> dholbach: sometimes they're using also cdbs simple patch even for debhelper stuff
[11:14] <\sh> I don'tlike it
[11:14] <\sh> for i in debian/patches/* is easier
[11:17] <\sh> dholbach: actually....there is no rule who to patch upstream source the right way...we should declare it and define it the right way
[11:18] <\sh> -who+how
[11:18] <dholbach> you can't define it, that only causes flamewars
[11:18] <comadreja> I get this:
[11:18] <comadreja> make: *** No rule to make target `unpatch'.  Stop.
[11:18] <dholbach> but patches directly in the source are crack
[11:18] <dholbach> comadreja: changed debian/rules accordingly?
[11:18] <comadreja> hmmm, nopes, followed the howto :)
[11:19] <dholbach> it should talk about debian/rules :)
[11:19] <pef> bye !
[11:19] <comadreja> yep, but after the edit-patch :D
[11:19] <comadreja> I did :)
[11:19] <dholbach> bye pef
[11:21] <comadreja> would it be ok if I get latest upstream ? seems to have most of them solved
[11:21] <\sh> ogra: u rock
[11:21] <\sh> comadreja: uvf
[11:21] <ogra> ?
[11:21] <\sh> comadreja: only with ack from kamion
[11:22] <\sh> ogra: latest upload :)
[11:22] <ogra> djvu ?
[11:22] <\sh> and fixed fixed for bugz and malone
[11:22] <ogra> ah, yes, it built
[11:22] <\sh> I know :)
[11:22] <\sh> I'm good ;-)
[11:22] <ogra> yep
[11:22] <ogra> youre the greatest :)
[11:22] <\sh> liar
[11:23] <\sh> u r my xscreensaver god...that was the first one.u showed me
[11:23] <\sh> he played with utf8 in our cantine at these days..
[11:23] <\sh> ,-)
[11:24] <\sh> ogra: really...some people are missing u ... don't u wanna come back?
[11:24] <ogra> hehe, never
[11:25] <ogra> how isthe new boss btw ?
[11:25] <\sh> ogra: oh he has a good "leumund"
[11:25] <ogra> fine
[11:25] <\sh> looks like he kicks old f*ckers out
[11:25] <ogra> great :)
[11:25] <\sh> he's indian uk ,)
[11:26] <\sh> or uk indian..whatever
[11:26] <\sh> and he is engineer :)
[11:26] <ogra> heh, guenther too
[11:26] <\sh> guenther liks only his blackberry
[11:26] <\sh> blueberry?
[11:26] <ogra> black i think
[11:26] <\sh> this nifts toy
[11:26] <\sh> -s+
[11:26] <\sh> y
[11:34] <comadreja> once I used dpatch, it seems that debuild doesn't patch the sources for building, is that right ?
[11:36] <dholbach> it should
[11:36] <dholbach> you can additionally have a look at /usr/share/doc/dpatch/examples
[11:36] <comadreja> ok
[11:44] <\sh> DANIELN?
[11:44] <\sh> ok..not there..
[11:45] <ajmitch> uh oh, dholbach has started on the unmet deps page :)
[11:47] <\sh> ajmitch: we 're in
[11:47] <ajmitch> yeah, I noticed a lot of wiki activity there
[11:47] <ajmitch> I'm getting behind
[11:48] <siretart> re
[11:53] <\sh> ajmitch: again? ,-)
[11:53] <ajmitch> \sh: :-P
[11:53] <\sh> ajmitch: but this time..u take your stuff, and I won't do anything ,-)
[11:54] <ajmitch> why are gcc-3.3, 3.4, 4.0 on that list of unmet deps?
[11:55] <ajmitch> heh
[11:55] <dholbach> some of their binary packages can't be installed due to unmet dependencies (at least on amd64)
[11:55] <comadreja> could you tell me about a package that uses dpatch ? I'm unable to make this apply the patch and I'd like to see some working code
[11:55] <ajmitch> dholbach: and they're in universe?
[11:55] <dholbach> no
[11:55] <dholbach> some of them are in main
[11:56] <dholbach> but that's all on the top of the page :)
[11:56] <ajmitch> dholbach: that's like expecting me to read the fine print :)
[11:56] <dholbach> yeah :)