[12:00] <itz> Madpilot, yeah thx no np ;)
[12:00] <Igg-man> zyrr: you might try the other suggestion, or try and specifiy the option at the command line
[12:00] <nalioth> ubotu usrepos is if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.
[12:00] <ubotu> okay, nalioth
[12:00] <nalioth> crap
[12:01] <nalioth> !forget usrepos
[12:01] <itz> it would be easier to have an option to have diff password to sudo and also if ur paranoid it would be great ;)
[12:01] <ubotu> nalioth: i forgot usrepos
[12:01] <zyrr> iggman> yes, i can acces it from terminal but not from file lister in graphical mode because i dont have root rights :F
[12:01] <Igg-man> zyrr: Try mount -t ntfs -o uid=yournormalusername
[12:01] <zyrr> okey
[12:01] <BockBilbo> any of you has managed to get amarok 1.3 to work on hoary?
[12:02] <Geist|Patrick> do u have a clue, Seveas, what may be wrong here
[12:02] <Discipulus> is Seveas really a bot?
[12:02] <Discipulus> I find it VERY difficult to believe
[12:02] <itz> hehe
[12:03] <ubunturox> OK, I have tried everything.  I am using SMB and trying to mount a network share on a Windows 2003 server.  I have it auto mounting and it allows me to read/write when it works.  However sometime when it mounts, it only shows some (767) of the directories in the share.  Sometimes it shows all (1767) of them.  When it shows all of the dirs, I can access them and list them fine, but when I go back to refresh the dir, it only sho
[12:03] <ubunturox> ws either 0 or back to 767?!?!?!  ANyone know whats going on.
[12:03] <itz> Discipulus, very good programed bot :O
[12:03] <Igg-man> itz: you should be able to set sudo to only let your run specific programs, that might help with security
[12:03] <mm23> BockBilbo, as far as I know, only 1.2 is working...
[12:04] <BockBilbo> :S
[12:04] <BockBilbo> i need to try 1.3
[12:04] <kbrooks> LOL
[12:04] <adrian_> does anyone know of good burning software?
[12:04] <mbirkis> ssh runs on port 22 right?
[12:04] <ubunturox> yep
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[12:04] <BockBilbo> adrian_, k3b or gnome baker
[12:04] <Igg-man> adrian_: cdrecord
[12:04] <adrian_> and not k3b, i don't want to wait 30minutes for 100mb :(
[12:04] <SpecialBuddy> how do I burn a iso disk with ubuntu
[12:04] <adrian_> okay
[12:04] <adrian_> thnks
[12:04] <Discipulus> Seveas, are you really a bot?
[12:04] <kbrooks> no
[12:04] <adrian_> he isn't
[12:04] <itz> Igg-man,  well still i like the option.... ;)
[12:04] <kbrooks> he isnt
[12:04] <Discipulus> ah, makes sense
[12:04] <adrian_> i talked to jim some time ago :D
[12:04] <Discipulus> and here I thought he was a bot...
[12:05] <adrian_> lol
[12:05] <itz> well going away now. thx for the help anyway dudes
[12:05] <Igg-man> SpecialBuddy: use k3b or that gnome baker, they should be able to do it
[12:05] <Discipulus> that's bogus as hell
[12:05] <Igg-man> SpecialBuddy: if not, cdrecord should do it from the command line
[12:05] <SpecialBuddy> ok
[12:05] <SpecialBuddy> thanks
[12:05] <Igg-man> SpecialBuddy: sure
[12:05] <Igg-man> np
[12:05] <Madpilot> gnomebaker will burn ISOs. I think K3B will too.
[12:06] <BockBilbo> im about to have kde and gnome installed at the same time...:S
[12:06] <Discipulus> What kinda music ya'll listen to?
[12:06] <xChill> Hi i want to execute a .jar file. in the readme it tells me to do this by "jre -new -jar <path to jar>". then i get "jre: command not found". i have installed the latest JRE from java.com (working ok in firefox). any idea whats wrong?
[12:06] <itz> Seveas, do u got some kind of donation account? i mean u cant do this for free all day long? :p
[12:06] <nalioth> Seveas is an advanced AI running on an experimental IBM Cell Cluster Array
[12:06] <ubunturox> has anyone else had problems with smb not showing all the dirs?
[12:06] <Kyral> K3B > GnomeBaker
[12:06] <Seveas> itz, donate money to Ubuntu if you want to ;)
[12:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> most anything ^_^
[12:06] <nalioth> itz: there are many forms of 'free' and 'salary'
[12:06] <mebaran151> hey
[12:06] <adrian_> K3B=100mb, i have a REALLY slow connection at the moment (30kb/s), i don't want to wait that long
[12:07] <pc_> hi. i made .Trash a symlink to another partition (rw ofcourse) somehow deleting in nautilus doesn't work anymore now.. why's that?
[12:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> all money should be donated to Seveas@gimmiemoney.com
[12:07] <itz> Well when they give me sudo password as option i actually will give ubunt a donation
[12:07] <nalioth> Seveas: do you like your upgrade?  ^^^
[12:07] <mebaran151> anybody know a good resource for how to sync my new shiny unlocked bluetooth Motorola V551 phone
[12:07] <itz> :O
[12:07] <nalioth> itz: you can give yourself that option
[12:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is breezy ready yet?
[12:07] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY, no :)
[12:07] <Igg-man> adrian_: cdrecord should be much smaller
[12:07] <Kyral> I wanna get a black T-Shirt with the Ubuntu Logo on the sleeve and the Ubuntu Banner over the chest
[12:07] <itz> nalioth, not yet... :)
[12:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> damn
[12:07] <icewt> ubunturox, i had that problem in debian, don't know how to fix it
[12:07] <Igg-man> adrian_: Its all command line
[12:07] <Seveas> Kyral, www.cafepress.com
[12:07] <adrian_> oh crap
[12:07] <adrian_> ehh
[12:07] <nalioth> itz: you will learn
[12:08] <Kyral> Does Ubuntu have a store there?
[12:08] <Seveas> or look at the ubuntu shop links on the ubuntu site
[12:08] <Igg-man> Uhoh... one of the hdds just shutoff
[12:08] <Seveas> Kyral, yes
[12:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_o
[12:08] <adrian_> i'm burning a ubuntu cd for my friend
[12:08] <Kyral> SCORE!!
[12:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats not good
[12:08] <avalente> hello, where can i find help on PHP + graphic charts? I wanted to draw a chart with 3 Y axis with different scales
[12:08] <Igg-man> oh, there it goes again
[12:08] <[mrc] > I just downloaded the "Hoary" iso for ppc, but i can't manage to burn the cd... I'm using Toast for MacOS X, someone could help? I'm ashamed, i can't burn a cd!! ;P
[12:08] <Igg-man> strange...
[12:08] <adrian_> can i make a data cd with gnomebaker for the .iso?
[12:08] <itz> nalioth, sure i will.... i actually going to try ubuntu as my "first" os choice...
[12:08] <xChill> Hi i want to execute a .jar file. in the readme it tells me to do this by "jre -new -jar <path to jar>". then i get "jre: command not found". i have installed the latest JRE from java.com (working ok in firefox). any idea whats wrong?
[12:09] <nalioth> itz: it's my "only" OS of choice
[12:09] <Discipulus> adrian_, you think you have a slow connection? I have dial-up
[12:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> word to that man
[12:09] <Igg-man> Discipulus: Why?
[12:09] <adrian_> Discipulus, you would get 56kb/s with thta
[12:09] <adrian_> i get 30 :'(
[12:09] <Kyral> now can we get it in black...
[12:09] <Madpilot> xChill: i think "java foo.jar" is what you need?
[12:09] <itz> nalioth, maybe ill get there also... ;) i hope so since i really have an issue with ms products ;)
[12:09] <jeanluc> hi
[12:09] <Igg-man> I get 350
[12:09] <jeanluc> can some one help me
[12:09] <jeanluc> with a new install
[12:09] <adrian_> stupid virus-manifested-windows NT-router-junk
[12:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> me has 5mb internet ^_^
[12:09] <Igg-man> jeanluc: can you be more specific?
[12:10] <adrian_> GRRRR :(
[12:10] <jeanluc> ya
[12:10] <nalioth> xChill: use "java" instead of "jre"
[12:10] <xChill> Madpilot: what do u mean?
[12:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[12:10] <jeanluc> its aboutsound
[12:10] <jeanluc> do I need drivers?
[12:10] <adrian_> but ehh guys
[12:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> took me 15 minutes to install ubuntu
[12:10] <itz> well gn everybody have fun ok? ;)
[12:10] <adrian_> can i use Gnomebaker to burn a data cd for the ubuntu .iso?
[12:10] <Kyral> fsck, my mouse died
[12:10] <Igg-man> jeanluc: all of the sound drivers that you will need should be included
[12:10] <adrian_> rofl Kyral
[12:11] <Igg-man> jeanluc: do you know what kind of soundcard you have?
[12:11] <parabolize> adrian_ yes
[12:11] <adrian_> give it CPR :D
[12:11] <adrian_> okay
[12:11] <aru> you think you have problems, I can't find a bottle opener
[12:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[12:11] <jeanluc> no
[12:11] <adrian_> lol
[12:11] <jeanluc> well
[12:11] <jeanluc> its onboard my motherboard
[12:11] <nalioth> adrian_: you should be able to
[12:11] <adrian_> only a pussy uses a bottle opener, a real man uses his TEETH
[12:11] <jeanluc> Igg-manIgg-man
[12:11] <adrian_> :D
[12:11] <xChill> nalioth: it tells me java: command not found :(
[12:11] <aru> guess I'm not a real man
[12:11] <jeanluc> Igg-man: well im really running kubuntu but they told me to come here
[12:12] <Discipulus> lol
[12:12] <[mrc] > Anyone know something about problems with ppc iso?
[12:12] <xChill> i have installed Java for sure
[12:12] <jeanluc> but
[12:12] <jeanluc> I hear no sound when I play an mp3
[12:12] <adrian_> jeanluc,
[12:12] <jeanluc> yes?
[12:12] <adrian_> detail
[12:12] <nalioth> xChill: type "which java" in a terminal
[12:12] <Discipulus> adrian_, no, not with dial-up, you get 5 kb/s, and that pushes it
[12:13] <adrian_> do you use ALSA, OSS, ESD, ??
[12:13] <Discipulus> adrian_, you get 56 kiloBITS per second with dial-up
[12:13] <Discipulus> adrian_, which translates to 5 kb/s
[12:13] <xChill> nalioth: i get no output
[12:13] <Discipulus> give or take
[12:13] <adrian_> EWWW
[12:13] <adrian_> that can't be
[12:13] <Discipulus> and that's if your lucky enough to get a connection of 56kbps
[12:13] <Igg-man> jeanluc: I assme the card isn't working
[12:13] <adrian_> Discipulus, seriously
[12:13] <nalioth> xChill: then your symlinks are not in place
[12:13] <Discipulus> which rarely happens
[12:13] <nalioths_dog> xChill: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[12:13] <Igg-man> jeanluc: do you know what motherboard iti s?
[12:13] <xChill> whats this?
[12:13] <nalioth> xChill: try that
[12:13] <jeanluc> ok I just installed kubuntu this is my first time that I have used it and I hear no sound playing an mp3 file, the sound card I have is onboard my motherboard witch is a soyo kt-sy-600 dragon v2.o and yes the sound works in windows.
[12:13] <Discipulus> adrian_, yea seriously
[12:14] <Madpilot> !restricted
[12:14] <ubotu> restricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:14] <Discipulus> adrian_, have you never used dial-up before?
[12:14] <Discipulus> adrian_, if you don't know the basics of networking I suggest you read up
[12:14] <Igg-man> jeanluc: Did you check all of the volume controls?  I've had some computers that start with all of the sound muted
[12:14] <Madpilot> jeanluc: for mp3, check that url that ubotu just posted...
[12:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> !hi
[12:14] <ubotu> ChurcH_of_FoamY: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[12:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[12:14] <nalioth> jeanluc: you may have better luck in #kubuntu or #kde
[12:15] <jeanluc> yes #kubuntu told me to ask here about sound
[12:15] <xChill> nalioth: oh no. we tried that already 2day it didnt work for me. i mean i have downloaded the java bin from java. and followed the instructions to install it. i made a link in the firefox plugin folder and it works fine.
[12:15] <adrian_> crap
[12:15] <Igg-man> jeanluc: Have you checked the volumne controls?
[12:15] <adrian_> i think i'll have to download K3B anyways
[12:15] <nalioth> xChill: you are missing a symlink to the java runtime
[12:15] <xChill> nalioth: is there an easy way to check/correct my symlinks (whatever that is)?
[12:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i saw a pic today of someone who airbrushed a pic of tux on the hood of his car
[12:16] <edited> how do i fix the clock problem? it shows the right time on ubuntu but not in xp?
[12:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it was so awsome
[12:16] <jeanluc> where are the volume controls?
[12:16] <Discipulus> adrian_, what kind of connection do you have?
[12:16] <xChill> nalioth: ok, so i should find out where this runtime is, and make symlink, right?
[12:16] <adrian_> OMFG
[12:16] <nalioth> xChill: hang on a minute, please (although the sequence the dog sent, should have put everything in place)
[12:16] <adrian_> it's fixed!
[12:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um thats because xp is dumb and dosen't know how to use intternet time >.<
[12:16] <adrian_>  75.8kB/s 8m36s
[12:16] <nalioth> xChill: one moment please
[12:16] <xChill> k
[12:16] <Discipulus> adrian_, what kind of connection do you have?
[12:17] <Igg-man> adrian_: what was it?
[12:17] <adrian_> still not going the full 400kb/s, but hey, i'm happy
[12:17] <adrian_> DSL
[12:17] <adrian_> ADSL, 400kb/s
[12:17] <kbrooks> XP isnt dumb
[12:17] <Discipulus> adrian_, then don't complain.
[12:17] <kbrooks> you.......
[12:17] <kbrooks> :P
[12:17] <adrian_> :(
[12:17] <Igg-man> adrian_: What was causing your problem?
[12:17] <adrian_> no idea
[12:17] <kbrooks> bbl.
[12:17] <adrian_> something is still causing me problems
[12:17] <nalioth> xChill: type in a terminal "ls /etc/alternatives/"
[12:18] <adrian_> normally i download at a 200/300kb
[12:18] <Igg-man> adrian_: do you have just the linux box connected?
[12:18] <xChill> nalioth: done. i see cyan files
[12:18] <xChill> :)
[12:18] <adrian_> via a router
[12:18] <adrian_> oh no
[12:18] <adrian_> nvm
[12:18] <adrian_> i asked my dad
[12:18] <Igg-man> what were you talking about before when you said the windows viruses?
[12:18] <adrian_> he put in a limit
[12:19] <kbrooks> hm
[12:19] <nalioth> xChill: if you get it sorted, you need a symlink to the java runtime to /usr/bin/java
[12:19] <Discipulus> adrian_, why did he do that?
[12:19] <Igg-man> a limit?  Why?
[12:19] <kbrooks> hmmm
[12:19] <kbrooks> uh
[12:19] <adrian_> because when i downloaded, he couldn't do anything properly
[12:19] <xChill> nalioth: sry, i have no clue what u mean (sry 4 being a pain in ...)
[12:19] <kbrooks> i think i'm locked out of sudo
[12:19] <kbrooks> not 100% sure
[12:19] <adrian_> i download a lot actually
[12:20] <Igg-man> adrian_: pirate
[12:20] <adrian_> pfoe
[12:20] <Igg-man> !
[12:20] <ubotu> Igg-man: I haven't a clue
[12:20] <kbrooks> how do i check?
[12:20] <adrian_> no no no
[12:20] <nalioth> xChill: come to ##apple, please
[12:20] <adrian_> i download LEGAL anime episodes
[12:20] <kbrooks> hmmm
[12:21] <adrian_> and i download some distro's for friends
[12:21] <kbrooks> nalioth, how do i verify im locked out of sudo?
[12:21] <nalioth> kbrooks: type "sudo cal" from terminal
[12:21] <adrian_> they practicly all have dialup so i download it for them
[12:21] <kbrooks> yup.
[12:21] <kbrooks> i am.
[12:21] <xChill> nalioth: ok, coming to ##apple
[12:21] <nalioth> kbrooks: sounds like grub rescue mode for you
[12:22] <kbrooks> nalioth, :|
[12:22] <kbrooks> nalioth, and that's a reboot?
[12:22] <adrian_> could anyone explain me this? :
[12:22] <adrian_> Need to get 39.8MB of archives.
[12:22] <adrian_> After unpacking 111MB of additional disk space will be used.
[12:22] <nalioth> kbrooks: not until you need sudo
[12:22] <hondje> adrian_, compressed stuff
[12:22] <nightswim> adrian_: it's compressed
[12:22] <nalioth> adrian_: archives are zipped
[12:22] <adrian_> yes
[12:22] <adrian_> okay
[12:22] <adrian_> but
[12:23] <nightswim> no butts please
[12:23] <adrian_>  1/3 of orriginal size?
[12:23] <hondje> not too unusual
[12:23] <adrian_> almost 1/4
[12:23] <kbrooks> nightswim, be careful.
[12:23] <adrian_> i mean
[12:23] <gijosh> Hey.  Someone linked me to an article on Ubuntu's wiki about recovering grub after installing Windows.  I keep searching, but I can't find it.  Heh.
[12:23] <kbrooks> someone could take you wrong
[12:23] <adrian_> that's unbeleivable
[12:23] <kebab_tomten> when i order free cd of ubuntui wrote in my namn where to send it and that...when i have klick on the update info button is the cd comming to me now?
[12:24] <kbrooks> kebab_tomten, not 'now'
[12:24] <kebab_tomten> how do to then?
[12:24] <Discipulus> MrMo
[12:24] <kbrooks> cds dont come to u like magic
[12:24] <adrian_> BTW, does anyone know(or have experience with) DebianPure?
[12:24] <nalioth> gijosh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[12:24] <kebab_tomten> yes i now but are the send it now?
[12:24] <MrMo> Discipulus, ?
[12:24] <aru> someone needs to invent a vending machine that downloads, burns, and labels linux distros
[12:24] <gijosh> nalioth:  Thanks man
[12:24] <Discipulus> MrMo, you got a cool name
[12:24] <aru> someone get working on that
[12:25] <MrMo> Discipulus, okay.
[12:25] <kbrooks> kebab_tomten, just wait
[12:25] <irene> what are ubuntu users using for sources after install?   ie: w32codecs, acroread, flash...etc
[12:25] <babyfire> hola
[12:25] <babyfire> you guys
[12:25] <hondje> acroread 7 spies on you
[12:25] <kebab_tomten> so about 4-6 weeks i got them?
[12:25] <irene> maybe so, but
[12:25] <kbrooks> hondje, BS
[12:25] <babyfire> will some one pretty please tell me whyu my ubuntu doens cpome with sound
[12:25] <babyfire> on my system
[12:25] <babyfire> doesnt come with
[12:26] <hondje> kbrooks: it calls home, whip out ethereal and watch
[12:26] <kbrooks> babyfire, it does.
[12:26] <cmatheson> babyfire: only if you stop asking crappy questions. what's wrong w/ it?
[12:26] <aru> there are no crappy questions, only crappy responses
[12:26] <babyfire> it didnt come with sound
[12:26] <babyfire> when i installed it
[12:26] <aru> what sound card
[12:26] <kbrooks> hondje, i dont believe your bs
[12:26] <hondje> Don't believe me, but it's true
[12:26] <babyfire> and i i dotn knwo
[12:27] <cmatheson> aru: that's ridiculous
[12:27] <babyfire> but i have one
[12:27] <hondje> tcpdump and a packet filter fixes that, but it's well known
[12:27] <aru> cmatheson, and true
[12:27] <kbrooks> brb
[12:27] <kbrooks> uh wait
[12:27] <babyfire> nm
[12:27] <hondje> also allows a document author to track when and where a document is opened
[12:27] <Mez> wtf?
[12:27] <Mez> ffs...
[12:27] <Mez> PayPal is constantly working to ensure security by regularly screening the
[12:27] <Mez> accounts in our system. Unfortunately, this account has been permanently
[12:27] <Mez> locked with a $0.00 GBP balance. All information associated with this
[12:27] <Mez> account has been blocked from the PayPal system and cannot be registered to
[12:27] <Mez> another account.
[12:28] <Mez> Please understand that this is a security measure to help protect you and
[12:28] <Mez> your account. We apologize for any inconvenience.
[12:28] <Mez> how the hell does that protect my account?
[12:28] <adrian_> ehh
[12:28] <pepsix> flooder
[12:28] <adrian_> so that others can't get into it??
[12:28] <cmatheson> Mez: please don't paste lots of crap in this channel
[12:28] <Madpilot> Mez: mind the cut'n'paste pls
[12:28] <nalioth> mez, please use #flood or a pastebin
[12:28] <kbrooks> nalioth, er. i want to install windows on hdb, but i want to boot into linux too. is there any way for me to enable that?
[12:29] <Mez> I thought it would paste on one line - k ? It was one line in my email
[12:29] <adrian_> omfg
[12:29] <adrian_> k3b automaticly loads the md5 sul
[12:29] <adrian_> *sum
[12:29] <adrian_> cool
[12:29] <nalioth> kbrooks: installing windows will cause your grub to be eaten
[12:29] <lamont> Mez: is phishing scam
[12:29] <eliUbuntu> anyone familiar with the hdparm.conf file?
[12:29] <kbrooks> nalioth, I KNOW!
[12:30] <nalioth> Mez: the ircd cuts it to fit
[12:30] <Frank_dot> adrian_: eliUbuntu a bit
[12:30] <lamont> Mez: look carefully at the headers, and you'll see that it didn't originate from paypal.
[12:30] <Frank_dot> eliUbuntu: a bit
[12:30] <kbrooks> nalioth, i already tried it myself
[12:30] <gijosh> Hey.  I got an error message after I tried to chroot.  Can you tell if it worked or not by the logs?
[12:30] <gijosh> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo -i
[12:30] <gijosh> root@ubuntu:~ # mkdir /mnt/work
[12:30] <gijosh> root@ubuntu:~ # mkdir /mnt/boot
[12:30] <gijosh> root@ubuntu:~ # mount /dev/hdb2 /mnt/work -t ext3
[12:30] <gijosh> root@ubuntu:~ # mount -o bind /dev /mnt/work/dev
[12:30] <kbrooks> Mez, pm?
[12:30] <nalioth> kbrooks: then you know you can dual, or treble, or quadruple boot
[12:30] <gijosh> root@ubuntu:~ # mount -o bind /proc /mnt/work/proc
[12:30] <gijosh> root@ubuntu:~ # cp /proc/mounts /mnt/work/etc/mtab
[12:30] <adrian_> #FLOOD
[12:30] <gijosh> root@ubuntu:~ # mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/work/boot
[12:30] <gijosh> root@ubuntu:~ # chroot /mnt/work /bin/bash
[12:30] <kbrooks> Mez, pm?
[12:30] <gijosh> bash: dircolors: command not found
[12:30] <irene> what are ubuntu users using for sources after install?   ie: w32codecs, acroread, flash...etc
[12:30] <aru> bah
[12:30] <gijosh> root@ubuntu:/ #
[12:30] <aru> irene, you mean universe?
[12:30] <adrian_> gijosh, : #FLOOD
[12:30] <Mez> kprooks - pm why ?
[12:30] <kbrooks> Mez, erm
[12:31] <nalioth> gijosh: use a pastebin or #flood, please
[12:31] <irene> universe doesnt work
[12:31] <gijosh> my bad.  I didn't meen to copy/paste that mcuh of it
[12:31] <hondje> http://www.remoteapproach.com/remoteapproach/tour.asp <---how to make money from adobe spying
[12:31] <kbrooks> Mez, look at the headers
[12:31] <kbrooks> Mez, please
[12:31] <gijosh> just the last 3 lines
[12:31] <eliUbuntu> Frank_dot: i am working with initiating dma, do you know much about it?
[12:31] <Mez> and lamont: no because it's got an email I sent to them in it :D as in they were responding to my emaila sking why it was blocked
[12:31] <adrian_> nalioth, you can always download GRUB via Windows
[12:31] <adrian_> i've done it before
[12:31] <cmatheson> irene: maybe you should check out multiverse
[12:31] <lamont> ah, ok.
[12:31] <Frank_dot> eliUbuntu: you want DMA for the CDROMs?
[12:31] <aru> irene, how so?
[12:31] <lamont> they're protecting your bank account, not your ebay account...
[12:31] <Mez> kbrooks: originating IP = 10.248.48.127#
[12:31] <G|immer> Is there a command in Linux to change the cluster size especiall of an unmounted partition?
[12:32] <kbrooks> Mez, and is that a valid ip? ping it
[12:32] <lamont> Mez: but is off-topic for this channel
[12:32] <eliUbuntu> no for hard drive, this is the wiki link im using -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DMA
[12:32] <Mez> kbrooks: am checking
[12:32] <nalioth> kbrooks: i was gonna suggest that you make a grub boot floppy b4 you install windows
[12:32] <Mez> meh... sorry just annoyed
[12:32] <kbrooks> nalioth, no floppies here
[12:32] <Mez> because they've blocke dmy account for no reason
[12:32] <nalioth> kbrooks: or unplug your hda and install windows on hdb
[12:32] <eliUbuntu> somone told me to go there to speed up up the hard drive and cdrom (for dvd's)
[12:32] <kbrooks> nalioth, i'm disabled...if you didnt even know
[12:32] <nalioth> kbrooks: then you can plug your hda back in, and edit windows into your grub
[12:32] <Frank_dot> eliUbuntu: sorry I don't know the options for hard drives
[12:32] <needsomehelp> hi still can't get mplayer to compile and getting same errors of http://pastebin.com/311479  ( i have installed the rtp dev packages) any ideas thanks
[12:32] <eliUbuntu> ok
[12:32] <adrian_> i don't see why people don't have floppy drives anymore
[12:32] <eliUbuntu> no probl
[12:33] <eliUbuntu> em
[12:33] <kbrooks> nalioth, i cant get out of my chairc because then i cant get in myself
[12:33] <adrian_> they're really usefull in Linux
[12:33] <penguin42> Can someone on a real P4 tell me if they have (on hoary) any other subdirs under /lib/tls other than 'i686'
[12:33] <Frank_dot> needsomehelp: do you really ned to compile mplayer?
[12:33] <kbrooks> nalioth, i.e. i cant walk
[12:33] <nalioth> kbrooks: ok
[12:33] <eliUbuntu> floppies = annoyance
[12:33] <nalioth> kbrooks: yes i get the point
[12:33] <sam_> whats a nice command to tell how much space my hd has left?
[12:33] <needsomehelp> well Frank_dot everyone ask me that if you can tell me how to get libmp3lame working with it then no ;)
[12:33] <aru> adrian_, handy in windows also, when you need to fdisk and the mbr is gone... or am I the only one stupid enough to do that
[12:33] <penguin42> sam_: df -h
[12:33] <Frank_dot> samiam:  df
[12:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> stoopid nicserv >.<
[12:33] <nalioth> kbrooks: the wiki 'recovering grub after windows install' works well
[12:34] <adrian_> lol aru
[12:34] <kbrooks> nalioth, ok. thx
[12:34] <needsomehelp> trying t follow the guide that is about dvd to xvid all works up t the point of coding the audio to mp3 using lame i can do it fine with ac3 but its big as crap
[12:34] <adrian_> i once forgot on which HD Windows was on, i guessed, and fwoesh, wrong guess :x
[12:34] <jasoncohen> needsomehelp, what program are you using?
[12:35] <nalioth> adrian_: you are windowsless now?
[12:35] <penguin42> adrian_: Oh dear - another smashed windows
[12:35] <adrian_> lol
[12:35] <needsomehelp> in terms of trying to make the xvid?
[12:35] <sam_> thanks
[12:35] <jasoncohen> needsomehelp, i encode from DVD to divx/xvid with dvdrip and it works with MP3 just fine- also normalizes well
[12:35] <adrian_> the funny thing is
[12:35] <penguin42> so - anyone with a p4 just to do that ls for me ?
[12:35] <needsomehelp> jasoncohen, then we need to talk then
[12:35] <Frank_dot> needsomehelp: you can't play mp3 with mplayer?
[12:35] <needsomehelp> i can't get trancode to install for crap
[12:35] <needsomehelp> Frank_dot, not trying to play anything
[12:35] <needsomehelp> trying to encode
[12:35] <adrian_> penguin42, i have a P4
[12:35] <adrian_> what's wrong?
[12:35] <jasoncohen> needsomehelp, did you add hoary-extras?
[12:36] <nalioth> jasoncohen: sounds like you have your work cut out for you today
[12:36] <Frank_dot> needsomehelp: I don't know I never tried to encode a DVD
[12:36] <needsomehelp> jason i think so
[12:36] <penguin42> adrian_: please do an ls of /lib/tls for me and tell me if you have any sub directories other than i686 and what is in that i686 subdir - thanks
[12:36] <aru> adrian_, I had all my music cds backed up on a 120gb drive... formatted it during a freebsd install, worst part was all my cds got stolen a week before
[12:36] <needsomehelp> i mean dvd::rip installed but it will not work cause of transcode
[12:36] <adrian_> EEK
[12:36] <jasoncohen> nalioth, why's that? i finished finished a gimp project
[12:36] <needsomehelp> if you could pm me that would be great kinda hard to follow the chat
[12:36] <adrian_> 120gb of music? :/
[12:36] <aru> people warn against drinking and driving, I think drinking and installing is more dangerous
[12:36] <adrian_> nope
[12:37] <jasoncohen> nalioth, got this HP printer/scanner/copier working, scanned a play ticket at 300 dpi and then edited it in gimp for my sister's upcoming bat mitzvah
[12:37] <adrian_> i only hve i686
[12:37] <penguin42> adrian_: OK, and what is in i686 ?
[12:37] <nalioth> jasoncohen: in HERE
[12:37] <Aegir> Pentium Pro and onwards in the Intel line
[12:37] <adrian_> cmov
[12:37] <eliUbuntu> !dma
[12:37] <aru> I used to work for a radio station and was a dj, so I had decade sets and a huge collection
[12:37] <adrian_> and in cmov are a bunch of .so's
[12:37] <jasoncohen> nalioth, helping needsomehelp now
[12:37] <nalioth> jasoncohen: aren't you the transcode mythtv king?
[12:37] <penguin42> adrian_: Ta, and just files within that cmov directory?
[12:38] <adrian_> yes
[12:38] <jasoncohen> nalioth, more so mythtv
[12:38] <Aegir> i386=386 i486=486 i586=Pentium i686=Pentium Pro onwards
[12:38] <penguin42> adrian_: Ta
[12:38] <jasoncohen> but i used dvdrip with transcode as well
[12:38] <adrian_> Ta?
[12:38] <penguin42> Aegir: Yes I know that - I'm trying to figure out the linker
[12:38] <penguin42> adrian_: Thank you (Ta= British slang for thank you)
[12:38] <adrian_> oh
[12:38] <adrian_> lol
[12:38] <adrian_> yw :D
[12:38] <Aegir> Good, Im sick of running into people who dont know what the ix86's are :)
[12:38] <adrian_> anyway
[12:38] <eliUbuntu> anyone know the bootmisc.sh file?
[12:39] <adrian_> sorry Aegir :(
[12:39] <ignacio_> holas
[12:39] <jasoncohen> nalioth, the guy who asked about mythtv last night wants me to help him set up myth boxes as a paid project/business venture
[12:39] <adrian_> anyway
[12:39] <Geist|Patrick> gn8
[12:39] <aru> Aegir, what is it?
[12:39] <eliUbuntu> whats the ix86's :P
[12:39] <mabus> hola
[12:39] <aru> heh
[12:39] <ignacio_> me gustaria que me diara alguien una pagina
[12:39] <adrian_> i'm going to try out the Debian Pure .iso
[12:39] <ignacio_> pa bajarme un emule para linus
[12:39] <ignacio_> ubuntu
[12:39] <adrian_> i hope it has a grub/lilo with it
[12:39] <nalioth> jasoncohen: congrats
[12:39] <cmatheson> jasoncohen: can you actually do that cheaper than tivo?
[12:39] <jasoncohen> cmatheson, well, you can do a lot more than tivo
[12:39] <Discipulus> ignacio_, #ubuntu-es
[12:40] <cmatheson> jasoncohen: i reckon.  i still can't get my card working :'(
[12:40] <jasoncohen> cmatheson, you can't put together a 1 TB array with 2-3 tv tuners on a backend and xbox/s / silent pcs for frontends all networked with itivo
[12:40] <ignacio_> otra cosa
[12:40] <ignacio_> deciros que power linux
[12:40] <ignacio_> le da mil vueltas windows
[12:40] <Discipulus> cmatheson, no, you can't make a mythtv box cheaper than a TiVo box, it's about 2-3x more expensive, but you don't have to pay a monthly fee for it
[12:40] <nalioth> ignacio_: hablamos espanol en #ubuntu-es, por favor
[12:40] <hondje> ignacio_, #ubuntu-es
[12:40] <amittp> Seveas, Madpilot , I  got gd working properly now with php and apache2 :) Thank you both of you.
[12:41] <penguin42> Aegir: So what is curious is that if you set an LD_LIBRARY_PATH, ld.so will search blah/tls/i686/mmx/cmov, blah/tls/i686/mmx, blah/tls/i686, blah/tls/mmx/cmov, blah/tls/mmx, blah/tls/cmov, blah/tls blah/i686/mmx/cmox, blah/i686/mmx, blah/i686/cmov, blah/i686, blah/mmx/cmox, blah/mmx, blah/cmox - all to look for a library
[12:41] <Discipulus> ignacio_, english only
[12:41] <hondje> !smeg
[12:41] <ubotu> somebody said smeg was a Gnome menu editor. Get it at at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[12:41] <jasoncohen> cmatheson, mythtv can be controlled from anywhere with mythweb. mythvideo allows you to browse your videos with dvd covers, descriptions & ratings of each movie. mythtv is just more expandable/networkable
[12:41] <mabus> igancio_ #ubuntu-es
[12:41] <penguin42> I would like to educate ld.so to tell it that there are only one type of libraries installed (or install other sets? Nah can't be bothered)
[12:41] <cmatheson> jasoncohen: that's pretty rad.  when my card is supported i'll have to jump on that train
[12:42] <Discipulus> ignacio_, en #ubuntu-es para espanol, ingles en #ubuntu
[12:42] <kbrooks> penguin42, ld.so.conf in /etc
[12:42] <Discipulus> jasoncohen, and what tuner cards? You can make the backend cheaper depending on the tuner cards  you make
[12:42] <Madpilot> amittp: np
[12:42] <kbrooks> dlucas, DONT ping the channel
[12:42] <penguin42> kbrooks: nope
[12:42] <kbrooks> it's rude
[12:42] <Discipulus> and it would be illegal to sell a modded xbox for use as a frontened
[12:42] <jasoncohen> Discipulus, well, if you are going to have multiple tuners you'll want to use a pvr-250 MCE or a pvr-150/500
[12:42] <jasoncohen> Discipulus, those are hardware encoders meaning 0% cpu to record
[12:43] <jasoncohen> software encoders use too much cpu
[12:43] <jasoncohen> and hardware encoders are higher quality generally
[12:43] <penguin42> An example of why I want to do this is that openoffice2 (ubuntu hoary package) does 2500 open() calls during startup - of which 1900 fail - looking for libraries in odd places
[12:43] <kbrooks> 0% is impossible
[12:43] <Frank_dot> kbrooks: less than 5% then...
[12:44] <jasoncohen> cmatheson, what card do you have?
[12:44] <Jogariga> where can i find info on how to partition my powerbook to install ubuntu?
[12:44] <G|immer> hmm, Evolution does not seem to import Outlook PST file :(
[12:44] <cmatheson> jasoncohen: it's a tv-@nywhere pro or something like that
[12:45] <jasoncohen> bttvs work well
[12:45] <jasoncohen> and are supported out of the box
[12:45] <cmatheson> jasoncohen: the kernel loads the ait7440 (i think) module for it, but when i run one of the tv-viewing programs i just get a green screen
[12:45] <nalioth> Jogariga: in the wiki, maybe?
[12:45] <penguin42> G|immer: There is a package called readpst 'Converts Outlook PST files to mbox and others'
[12:45] <nalioth> Jogariga: how big is your HD, and do you want to dual boot?
[12:45] <ed1t> hello im trying to install AIM 1.5 on linux, i followed the steps they told me but it doesnt work
[12:45] <ed1t> http://www.aim.com/get_aim/linux/latest_linux.adp#deb2
[12:45] <penguin42> kbrooks: So the /etc/ld.so.conf only contains a line for the X dirs - nothing about the processor types
[12:46] <nalioth> Jogariga: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//NewUserGuide
[12:46] <jasoncohen> cmatheson, did you specify the correct device- /dev/video0 or 1
[12:46] <ed1t> javiadip@ubuntu:~$ /usr/bin/aim
[12:46] <ed1t> bash: /usr/bin/aim: No such file or directory
[12:46] <nalioth> ed1t: use gaim
[12:46] <Frank_dot> ed1t: would gaim do?
[12:46] <cmatheson> jasoncohen: yeah, i tried xawtv at first... that didn't work out, so then i tried mplayer... read the man page and i was specifying the device and a bunch of other crap (i'm not on that box right now so i can't tell you what exactly)
[12:46] <ed1t> i dont like gaim
[12:46] <G|immer> penguin42: thx
[12:47] <kbrooks> i love gaim
[12:47] <kbrooks> erm
[12:47] <ed1t> i like a client which like flashes the IM window when i receive a message
[12:47] <Jogariga> nalioth: it's 60gb i want dual boot
[12:47] <kbrooks> ill brb
[12:47] <skora> gaim can do that
[12:47] <cmatheson> jasoncohen: i have it hooked up to a satelite broadcaster thingy, so it may be an issue w/ that (i should have the tv-card set to channel 3)
[12:47] <ed1t> skora, how?
[12:47] <nalioth> ed1t: are you trying to install an actual AOL sanctioned linux client?
[12:47] <ed1t> nalioth,  yea
[12:47] <schuppi> hallo
[12:47] <nalioth> Jogariga: the wiki NewUserGuide (link above) has a walkthrough
[12:47] <ed1t> skora, i cant find that option
[12:48] <skora> ed1t, go to preferences
[12:48] <skora> and then conversations
[12:48] <cmatheson> jasoncohen: but i don't know what channel 3 is (there are a lot of channel 3's none of which worked), and then on google i read some reports of working cards, and some saying it was a new chipset that doesn't work in linux yet
[12:48] <schuppi> german room?
[12:48] <nalioth> ed1t: it is gonna have a fit, tryin to phone home to momma, you know
[12:48] <schuppi> ohh i think not...
[12:48] <schuppi> :(
[12:48] <Jogariga> nalioth: thanks
[12:48] <skora> schuppi, ubuntu-de ?
[12:48] <schuppi> allrighht
[12:48] <schuppi> thx
[12:48] <schuppi> :)
[12:48] <nalioth> Jogariga: you only really need about 5-7gb for ubuntu
[12:49] <nalioth> Jogariga: cuz linux can read/write to your OSX partition
[12:49] <ed1t> skora, and/
[12:49] <BF> somebody told me not to use ubuntuguide.org, why shouldnt I?
[12:49] <kbrooks> BF,
[12:49] <kbrooks> !ubuntuguide
[12:49] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[12:50] <BF> thanks, that was easy :)
[12:50] <kbrooks> BF: Heh.
[12:50] <Jogariga> nalioth: do you run ubuntu on a powerbook?
[12:50] <Aegir> penguin42, Im not a c/c++/c# dev, what you last wrote goes completly beyond me. I just know a smattering of ASM
[12:50] <kbrooks> anyway
[12:50] <ep> can i install apt-file ?
[12:50] <nalioth> Jogariga: i have it on 2 iBooks
[12:50] <skora> check "raise IM window on events" - is this your option you wanted ?
[12:50] <skora> !ubuntuguide
[12:50] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[12:50] <nalioth> Jogariga: i have 7gb for ubuntu (on a 60gb HD)
[12:50] <penguin42> Aegir: Ah fair enough - I was just hoping I would stir a lurking linker guru
[12:50] <kbrooks> skora, dont clutter the channel
[12:50] <Aegir> Heheh
[12:50] <ed1t> skora, no i dont wanna raise, i wanna like flash the chat window in a task bar like windws
[12:50] <Discipulus> jasoncohen, hmm, a business venture using MythTV, pm me plz
[12:50] <ed1t> windows*
[12:50] <nalioth> ep: yes you can
[12:50] <Jogariga> nalioth: do you like it?
[12:51] <nalioth> Jogariga: i havent used OSX in months
[12:51] <kbrooks> heh
[12:51] <Jogariga> nalioth: i'll talk to you when i try it
[12:52] <kbrooks> i think ubuntu needs a boot editor program
[12:52] <penguin42> kbrooks: A what?
[12:52] <penguin42> you mean a pretty editor for the grub menu files?
[12:52] <kbrooks> right
[12:52] <nalioth> penguin42: or the pretty yaboot files
[12:53] <skora> ed1t, you want it to flash in the in bottom window, right ?
[12:53] <kbrooks> heh
[12:53] <skora> but not 'raise up' ?
[12:53] <ed1t> skora,  yea
[12:53] <penguin42> nalioth: Yeh would be nice I guess - especially if it was cross architecutre and would do grub, yaboot or whatever
[12:53] <kbrooks> Razor-X, i just became a member of the UNP, fyi
[12:54] <nalioth> penguin42: a script that detects what arch and opens an editor to that particular file, shouldnt be hard
[12:54] <Razor-X> kbrooks: you mean, the newbie-helping thing, or the actual member thingie?
[12:54] <kbrooks> i really need to empty my trash...or trash it out to that fat32 partition
[12:54] <kbrooks> Razor-X, former
[12:54] <Razor-X> kbrooks: ahhh
[12:54] <penguin42> nalioth: No, but to be useful it would as you say be smarter and not actually do a straight editor - I'm sure the format is probably subtely different between grub and yaboot
[12:55] <kbrooks> Razor-X, NewUserMentors I believe
[12:55] <kbrooks> on the Ubuntu wiki
[12:55] <Razor-X> ahhh, welcome then ;)
[12:55] <fgr> hello all, is it possible to set gnome-terminal to display remote server name as tab title when im using ssh?
[12:55] <kbrooks> ty.
[12:56] <penguin42> fgr: The trick is to make something (e.g. an ssh alias) issue some control codes to change the title
[12:56] <cmatheson> fgr: maybe it would be easier to just have your prompt show the remote server?
[12:56] <ed1t> skora, is it possible?
[12:56] <nalioth> penguin42: somewhat, yes
[12:56] <kbrooks> i'll clear out the clutter
[12:56] <penguin42> fgr: Try installing the 'xttitle' package and make an alias that runs that and then the ssh (I haven't tried it)
[12:57] <G|immer> readpst does not read Outlook 2003 PST files! :(
[12:57] <penguin42> G|immer: Sheesh now your just getting picky :-)
[12:58] <BF> kbrooks, hmm, I used some of this ubuntuguide allready, specifically I added two repositories presumably with backports hosted on some servers named something.mirrormax.net. Are those repositories official, or are they ubuntuguide.org repositories?
[12:58] <skora> BF, mirroxmax is fine.
[12:58] <BF> ok, thanks
[12:58] <kbrooks> BF, official
[12:59] <BF> how do I see that?
[12:59] <nalioth> BF, i'd only use the backports for things you actually are gonna use
[12:59] <fgr> penguin42,  well not as easier as i wished, but thx!
[12:59] <nalioth> BF: when you're not using them, i'd comment them out
[12:59] <karnage-> is there any easy way for me to install PHP 4.3.11 on my ubuntu server? as its a server install, none of the compiling tools are installed so compiling from source will be very difficult. Is there a .deb package available??
[01:00] <BF> nalioth, is there a way to see what I installed from that server?
[01:00] <cmatheson> karnage-: man apt-cache
[01:00] <karnage-> cmatheson: php 4.3.11 isnt available via apt, only 4.3.10 is
[01:00] <nalioth> BF: not really
[01:01] <cmatheson> karnage-: oh you really need that version... i would say your best bet is installing the compilation environment then
[01:01] <nalioth> BF: but if you've only had em a couple of days, i dont think theres any harm
[01:01] <skora> BF, no unfortunately - one of my gripes with ubuntu
[01:01] <BF> nalioth, is it correct understood that if I wanted for example firefox in a newer version then I'd have to use the backports?
[01:02] <karnage-> cmatheson: im not too keen on installing all those packages just to compile php. can i build a temporary ubuntu box with all of this and somehow create my own .deb package?
[01:02] <ipcopnewbie> has anyone experienced outgoing ssh issues when going from ubuntu woody to debian sarge (if using firestarter as a firewall) ?
[01:02] <yourghetek> where can i find a list of webcams that work with gnome meeting?
[01:02] <tiglionabbit> ipcopnewbie: ubuntu woody?  Are you confused?
[01:02] <nalioth> BF: if you desired it, yes, but the current ff is fully up-2-date security wise
[01:03] <Frank_dot> ipcopnewbie: I ssh from hoary to woody no problem
[01:03] <ipcopnewbie> tiglionabbit: sorry, that was a typo
[01:03] <BF> nalioth, yeah, but you cant install extensions on it, the firefox website redirects you to an upgrade page
[01:03] <tiglionabbit> !firefox
[01:03] <ubotu> from memory, firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[01:03] <ipcopnewbie> tiglionabitt: should have read, hoary to debian sarge
[01:03] <nalioth> BF: there ya go
[01:03] <concept10> ipcopnewbie, Check the firewall on the box you want to SSH into.  Allow port 22
[01:03] <BF> :)
[01:03] <penguin42> ipcopnewbie: So what do you see?
[01:04] <ipcopnewbie> concept10: no problems ssh'ing to that box from other boxes (running debian)
[01:04] <nalioth> the amazing tiglionabbit and his neverending box of !
[01:04] <BF> surely that is a temporary workaround until somebody fix the package?
[01:04] <nalioth> BF: yes
[01:04] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: well that time it was the exact question he had
[01:04] <ipcopnewbie> penguin42: what happens is, syslog reports packets being blocked on high ports, coming back from the box i'm trying to ssh to
[01:04] <BF> all well and good then
[01:04] <tiglionabbit> that temporary problem has been around for months though
[01:04] <ipcopnewbie> penguin42: even though i initiate the ssh connection from my ubuntu box
[01:04] <BF> if I wanted to be sure that there was a bugreport on such a thing, where would I look?
[01:05] <tiglionabbit> BF: there is a bug report
[01:05] <nalioth> bf, there is plenty of bugzilla entrys on it
[01:05] <penguin42> ipcopnewbie: So what do you see from the machine you ssh from?
[01:05] <nalioth> BF: its an ubuntu problem, thats not a problem
[01:05] <ed1t> nmv i found some other way to get notified in aim...append (***) to the window if there is new unread IM
[01:05] <ed1t> thats works
[01:05] <ipcopnewbie> penguin42: e.g port 60580, 60577
[01:05] <BF> I have no doubt, but where do I look in case I find a similiar bug?
[01:06] <jasoncohen> nalioth, i fixed Discipulus' problem. he had marillat in his sources.list and the dependencies couldn't be satisfied for transcode.
[01:06] <ipcopnewbie> penguin42: while ssh is trying, packets come back from the destination machine at varying high ports such as those i just listed, until it gives up
[01:06] <nalioth> marillat is the root of all evil..... heh heh
[01:06] <ipcopnewbie> penguin42: the weird thing is that i can ssh to another (woody, not sarge) debian vps in that same network, no problem
[01:06] <asdx> I have a i810 video card. And I'm using the i810 x11 driver. But I can't change from 640x480 :S
[01:06] <tiglionabbit> !resolution
[01:06] <ubotu> [resolution]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:06] <anto9us> ipcopnewbie: maybe the firewall on the box is set to accept only from the ip addresses of the other debian boxes?
[01:07] <ipcopnewbie> auto9us: the vps i'm sshing to has no firewall
[01:07] <BF> ah, bugzilla.ubuntu.com is the answer
[01:08] <Discipulus> I didn't have that problem....
[01:09] <G|immer> penguin42: lol, sorry. I guess I would have to export the emails and contacts from Outlook (and perhaps uninstall Office for good :P)
[01:09] <penguin42> ipcopnewbie: OK 2 thoughts:   1) try ssh -2      2) try ssh by ip not name (unlikely)   3) do an ssh -v
[01:09] <anto9us> ipcopnewbie: maybe it's a problem with host keys then
[01:09] <skora> !repositories
[01:09] <ubotu> well, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:09] <penguin42> G|immer: Something must read it - but I've never done it
[01:09] <ipcopnewbie> penguin42: i let me try -2.
[01:09] <ipcopnewbie> auto9us: probably not host keys because kernel is blocking return traffic from the vps entirely
[01:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just had an interesting idea guys
[01:10] <skora> let's hear it ChurcH_of_FoamY
[01:10] <anto9us> ipcopnewbie: try adding the ubuntu machine to the hosts file or the dns server, if local
[01:10] <ipcopnewbie> penguin42: -2 does not help
[01:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> has anyone tryed to install ubuntu on top of the new knoppix?
[01:10] <penguin42> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Increase the amount of chocolate in double chocolate muffins? Or something more radical?
[01:11] <LasseL> if I am "tar cjf"-ing a large file is it safe to begin sending it to another maching with scp before it is finished writing the file
[01:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> something more radical lol
[01:11] <penguin42> ipcopnewbie: Well try the ip and try a -v
[01:11] <ipcopnewbie> penguin42: doing...
[01:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> although double chocolate muffins sound really really good when you have the muchies ^_^
[01:12] <skora> I noticed on the wiki repositories page that it doesn't have any info onto how to add backports
[01:12] <Derkommissar> Hello
[01:12] <penguin42> LasseL: Yeech - well in principal no, but as long as you *know* the scp is slower....
[01:12] <skora> it's actually not organized, imho.
[01:12] <nalioth> skora: on the backports page
[01:12] <Kyral> okaaay
[01:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i was thinking of putting my vmware to use and install knoppix and give access to the ubuntu repos just to see what would happen
[01:12] <nalioth> !backports
[01:12] <ubotu> I guess backports is at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[01:12] <Kyral> my Desklets died and I cannot bring them back up...
[01:12] <LasseL> penguin42, it has a headstart og 14G :/
[01:12] <penguin42> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I suspect it will get very messy indeed
[01:12] <Kyral> the gDesklets Shell just hangs
[01:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is it worth a try i mean it's vmware it shoulden't harm my box should it?
[01:13] <ipcopnewbie> penguin42: ip same result, with -v it gets as far as Connecting to... line and then just sits there
[01:13] <penguin42> LasseL: is it a local secure network - if so consider using netcat (nc) to send it - you can send it without the tar ever hitting the diesc
[01:13] <nalioth> Kyral: then gdesklets is still running in the background, sounds like
[01:13] <Derkommissar> I have a laptop, it has a mobility radeon 9000 for a video card... im trying to have more workspace so i want to have 2 monitors... the laptop monitor and an external... rigth now the only ting it does is that it mirros the desktop, i want to spand it to the external monitor or i want to have a new deskop on the external monitor.... how can i achive this ????
[01:13] <Derkommissar> here is my xorg.conf
[01:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and the diffrence between knoppix and ubuntu is?
[01:13] <nalioth> dark: not in here
[01:13] <Derkommissar> http://pastebin.com/311564
[01:13] <nalioth> whew!
[01:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[01:13] <pax> Anyone got a link to Seveas's windows mount script?
[01:14] <penguin42> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Mumble random versions of random packages and a lot of different flavoured glue?
[01:14] <skora> the http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ link doesnt work for me..
[01:14] <nalioths_dog> pax: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[01:14] <pax> nalioths_dog: you da man.
[01:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm it's just for a learning experirance
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i think it would be kinda neet only cause i like the way knoppix boots
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's in colour
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and has a really nice pic of tux on boot
[01:15] <dikadika> I just finished installing ubuntu 64 on my machine, i get to the login screen and when i enter my login information  i get a brown screen, and thats it
[01:15] <aru> brown screen of death
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[01:15] <dikadika> aru, LMAO
[01:15] <tiglionabbit> that would be ubuntu's default background
[01:15] <dikadika> that sounds depressingly bad
[01:15] <tiglionabbit> color
[01:16] <ipcopnewbie> on another topic, has anyone experienced apps like emacs freezing if left in a non-active virtual desktop for a day?
[01:16] <penguin42> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Certainly Knoppix is damn useful - it is my emergency get-out-of-trouble CD
[01:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> same here
[01:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[01:16] <ipcopnewbie> i've built the latest, greatest emacs. runs fine. but if it's on say desktop1 , and i have desktop 4 showing, then eventualy switch back to one, emacs has just frozen
[01:16] <nalioth> penguin42: i think thats its place in a lot of our pockets
[01:16] <LasseL> penguin42, thanks! interesting program
[01:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i just desoverd it and it has been quite usefull
[01:17] <tiglionabbit> dikadika: I've never had this problem.  People teld to advise people with this problem to turn off ACPI support, among other things.  What I would do if it happens, is switch to a virtual terminal and run 'top' to see what's got it stuck
[01:17] <dikadika> tiglionabbit, i'll do that and report back
[01:17] <Kyral> nalioth, gDesklets isn't running at all in the background, I checked
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> see my idea is to find out how knoppix boot like it does and make ubuntu do the same thing
[01:17] <BF> thank you for some very nice support guys, and nn
[01:18] <nalioth> Kyral: if you restart gdesklets, and it hangs, theres some part of it thats hung, it sounds to me like
[01:18] <tiglionabbit> dikadika: I mean "What I'd do".  Not great advice though, because it hasn't happened to me
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i want my contribution to ubuntu to be eye candy ^_^
[01:18] <tiglionabbit> ChurcH_of_FoamY: know how to use Inkscape?
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> not that it needs anymore
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nope
[01:18] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it's called a bootsplash, and you'll have one in breezy
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> never herd of it
[01:19] <tiglionabbit> Inkscape is a scalable vector graphics editor.  It's how they make those awesome desktop icons and stuff
[01:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i don't want a boot splash it's too xpish :p
[01:19] <tiglionabbit> !info inkscape
[01:19] <ubotu> inkscape: (Vector based drawing program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.40-2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 3807 kB, Installed size: 14628 kB
[01:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> look at the way the new knoppix cd boots on powerup
[01:19] <nalioth> xChill: np
[01:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> all the text is colourd
[01:19] <tiglionabbit> hmm, that's true
[01:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i want to bring that somehow to ubuntu
[01:20] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: the whole knoppix disk is GPL'd
[01:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> they make the bootup fun cause theres actually something more than black and white
[01:20] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you can open the thing up, cut out the parts you like, and add em to ubuntu all you want
[01:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nalioth no i want to keep ubuntu as ubuntu(ish) as possible
[01:20] <JaZy84> i have a question guys, i have 5.01 hoary i think. i wan to update it to the 5.04
[01:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but make the text more fun for people
[01:21] <JaZy84> can i do this by doing an apt-get sort of thing
[01:21] <penguin42> now, if someone could get Knoppixs hardware detection to work on ubuntu - *wow*
[01:21] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: so you rip into the guts of knoppix, to learn how to do it for ubuntu
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so that when ubuntu boot people go WHOA
[01:21] <nalioth> JaZy84: you have ubuntu 4.10?
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what do i need besides vmware to do this?
[01:21] <nalioth> JaZy84: warty warthog?
[01:22] <penguin42> ChurcH_of_FoamY: Patience, some disc space, and a certain amount of boredom.
[01:22] <dikadika> tiglionabbit, top seems to not report anything interestin
[01:22] <dikadika> g
[01:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[01:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have 40 gigs to work with
[01:22] <JaZy84> i'm sure it's 5.01
[01:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> somehow i don't think thats enough >.<
[01:23] <nalioth> JaZy84: there are only 2 current versions of ubuntu, 4.10 and 5.04
[01:23] <karnage-> does anyone know how i can build a .deb package for PHP 4.3.11 from source? I need to install this on my firewall box, but dont want to install all the tools required to compile from source, so I was wondering if I could do all of this on a spare box and simply install the .DEB file on my firewall afterwards??
[01:23] <nalioth> JaZy84: the unstable upcoming version is 5.10
[01:23] <JaZy84> it must be 4.10 then
[01:23] <penguin42> karnage-: Yes you can - debs are quite easy to build
[01:23] <JaZy84> is there a way to update from version 1 to version 2
[01:23] <nalioth> karnage-: are your boxes very similar in both hardware and software?
[01:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> do i have to GPL my work?
[01:24] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: if you take from the gpl, you must follow its guidelines
[01:24] <resiak> X-Chat users: Does Ubuntu's default setup auto-join #debian?
[01:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok website on it's guidlines then?
[01:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> !GPL
[01:24] <ubotu> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I haven't a clue
[01:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[01:25] <nalioth> resiak: no it joins #ubuntu by default
[01:26] <aru> I didnt think it joined anything by default
[01:26] <JaZy84> would it be best to just reinstall from cd?
[01:26] <resiak> nalioth: Someone on #d claims otherwise.
[01:27] <aru> mine has nothing set as a channel to join, and I didnt edit it
[01:27] <valtaric> can anyone help me with cedega the people in that channel wont answer me.
[01:27] <bimberi> ChurcH_of_FoamY: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/
[01:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thanx
[01:28] <bimberi> yw :)
[01:28] <nalioth> resiak: if i dont mess with xchat, and just hit 'connect' i fall into here
[01:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[01:28] <valtaric> does anyone know anything about cedega?
[01:28] <penguin42> karnage-: So you've got the source deb?
[01:28] <resiak> nalioth: http://pastebin.com/311573  # Allegedly...
[01:28] <bimberi> aru: I'm pretty sure my xchat didn't auto join anything either
[01:29] <penguin42> ChurcH_of_FoamY: vmware has a few modules it builds and loads
[01:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[01:29] <aru> it doesn't, I have a fresh install on my laptop and it didnt join
[01:30] <karnage-> penguin42: i have the source package from php.net
[01:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow the hardware support in knoppix is to die for
[01:30] <karnage-> i need to include mysql and sybase support
[01:30] <penguin42> karnage-: So what files is that? a tar? a dsc? what?
[01:30] <kezz> why are you running php on a firewall box? (just curious)
[01:30] <karnage-> its a .tar.gz
[01:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> maybe a new project would be to port that to ubuntu
[01:30] <karnage-> kezz: its a firewall/web server
[01:30] <Geist|Patrick> hi
[01:31] <kezz> karnage-, not really a good idea
[01:31] <Geist|Patrick> is there a deb server which has the latest openoffice?
[01:31] <karnage-> i know, but what can ya do
[01:31] <karnage-> lol
[01:31] <penguin42> karnage-: So, do you know that it has the required patches in to build for debian?
[01:31] <kezz> karnage-, forward port 80
[01:31] <karnage-> lol
[01:31] <karnage-> kezz thats not my issue here
[01:31] <newbie> i was wondering if any of you used pure-ftpd and is it better then proftpd?
[01:31] <karnage-> my issue is php 4.3.10 has known bugs when talking with Sybase/MSSQL servers
[01:32] <kezz> newbie, in terms of what
[01:32] <karnage-> so i need to install php 4.3.11
[01:32] <cafuego> karnage-: You'll need to do a backport, then.
[01:32] <penguin42> karnage-: does that tar contain the debian build stuff?
[01:32] <newbie> kezz security and ease of configuration
[01:32] <valtaric> can anyone help me with cedega?
[01:32] <karnage-> penguin42: im not sure, its the regular package from php.net... how do i find out
[01:33] <SpecialBuddy> can I make a livecd with k3b
[01:33] <penguin42> karangage-: Ah fi its not then that is harder; its only easy to build a debian package from source - building a random thing from source is a totally different matter - has the tar got a 'debian' subdirectory
[01:33] <Geist|Patrick> no mirrors?
[01:33] <karnage-> actually forget 4.3.11, 4.4.0 was released just yesterday
[01:33] <valtaric> hello i need soem help please.
[01:34] <cafuego> karnage-: apt-get source php4; copy the debian/ directory from that to the extracted tarball, edit the changelog (for new version number) and build the custom .deb
[01:34] <nalioth> Geist|Patrick: wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[01:34] <nalioth> SpecialBuddy: do you mean can you burn a livecd?
[01:34] <SpecialBuddy> yeah
[01:34] <penguin42> cafuego: And hope to hell it works?!
[01:34] <SpecialBuddy> like burn an .iso onto a disk
[01:34] <nalioth> SpecialBuddy: yes
[01:35] <SpecialBuddy> which option do I use
[01:35] <nalioth> SpecialBuddy: burn image to disk
[01:35] <Geist|Patrick>  there is only version ..1.9.79.x
[01:35] <SpecialBuddy> I'm not sure if I see that
[01:36] <asdx> I'm going to compile a 2.4.26 kernel for ubuntu
[01:36] <asdx> I have to use some linux-abi patch for run some SCO Unixware aplication
[01:36] <penguin42> karnage-: If it hasn't got the debian build stuff in then I'd only give it a 50% chance of just working by copying the debian dir from another version
[01:36] <Geist|Patrick> btw. any clue why linux-image-2.6.11-1-k7 freezes my system?
[01:36] <Geist|Patrick> :/
[01:36] <nalioth> SpecialBuddy: its under "tools"
[01:37] <mbirkis> is luminocity difficult to get working... and does anyone have any screenshots for me?
[01:37] <SpecialBuddy> thanks
[01:37] <penguin42> Geist|Patrick: When? Randomly or at certain times?
[01:37] <SpecialBuddy> I figured it out
[01:37] <aceidia> can anyone help me with cedega?
[01:37] <karnage-> hrmmm
[01:37] <SpecialBuddy> before you told me actually but thanks for the help
[01:37] <karnage-> let me check if theres a debian directory
[01:37] <SpecialBuddy> I just didn't see it right away
[01:37] <Geist|Patrick> if i try to change settings
[01:37] <Geist|Patrick> like deleting menu items or edeting files
[01:37] <Geist|Patrick> whatever...
[01:38] <karnage-> see my problem is
[01:38] <jewel> mbirkis:  http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots
[01:39] <karnage-> if i try to install dependencies for building php4
[01:39] <karnage-> it says the following
[01:39] <karnage-> apt-get build-dep php4
[01:39] <bimberi> wow - didn't know you could do that
[01:39] <nalioth> karnage-: use #flood or a pastebin
[01:39] <kbrooks> so
[01:39] <karnage-> blah
[01:39] <karnage-> it tries to install over 100 packages
[01:39] <karnage-> just so that i can compile
[01:39] <mbirkis> jewel: thnx
[01:40] <penguin42> karnage-: Not unreasonable if you haven't got compile stuff in
[01:40] <karnage-> and i dont particularly want to do that, i want to keep it a minimal server install
[01:40] <jewel> mbirkis:  There is a link there to installation instructions, but I've never tried them myself
[01:40] <penguin42> Geist|Patrick: That's a damn odd reason for it to freeze
[01:40] <karnage-> thats why i was thinking i could build another box with a full install, compile PHP on that box, then somehow move it to my firewall box
[01:41] <stephans> does anyone know how I can get wordperfect 8 running in ubuntu?
[01:41] <mbirkis> jewel: ok... i am thinking of trying... looks kewl
[01:41] <LincTeK> try crossover office
[01:41] <stephans> obviously there is a trick
[01:41] <newbie> ok let me rephrase then anyone know of ftp server that is secure and reliable
[01:41] <aceidia> can anyoone hear me
[01:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow that sucked
[01:41] <thinice> no aceidia
[01:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no we can see you typeing though
[01:42] <mbirkis> aceidia: nope but we read you
[01:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[01:42] <Geist|Patrick> well... even as noob i can agree completely
[01:42] <aceidia> lmao.. ok can you help me with a problem i'm having.?
[01:42] <Geist|Patrick> thats damned weired
[01:42] <LincTeK> whats the problem
[01:42] <aceidia> do either of you two know anyhting about cedega?
[01:43] <penguin42> aceidia: Have you considered the possibility that no one here knows anything about cedega?
[01:43] <asdx> cedega sucks
[01:43] <anto9us> stephans: http://linuxmafia.com/wpfaq/wpfaq-singlepage.html#INSTALL81
[01:43] <kbrooks> asdx, be nice.
[01:43] <LincTeK> I compiled winex once
[01:43] <asdx> kbrooks: why?
[01:44] <LincTeK> can you advertise channels here ?
[01:44] <dikadika> i wasnot prompted for a root password durring setup what would the root password be?
[01:44] <nalioth> LincTeK: preferably not
[01:44] <aceidia> ya i have but i am getting no responce at all from the cedega channels.
[01:44] <LincTeK> ok
[01:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i blew a stupid fuse and my box went down
[01:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[01:44] <nalioth> !sudo
[01:44] <ubotu> rumour has it, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:44] <penguin42> dikadika: ubuntu doesn't use root - use your normal user and sudo
[01:44] <dikadika> ahh ok
[01:45] <nalioth> dikadika: read what ubotu said above
[01:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> after a week of faithfullness the uptime has been reset >.<
[01:45] <Geist|Patrick> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org2/ <-- in which way have i to modify it so that synaptic understands it
[01:45] <LincTeK> www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:45] <mbirkis> is there an ubuntu art project?
[01:45] <kbrooks> LincTeK,
[01:45] <nalioths_dog> LincTeK: Please do not advise ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead.  Item 3 here explains why https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[01:45] <kbrooks> !ubuntuguide
[01:45] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is, like, a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[01:45] <Geist|Patrick> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/openoffice.org2 main?
[01:45] <nalioth> mbirkis: yes there is
[01:46] <thinice> when I want to play an mp3 in xmms I get an error stating to check the soundcard's configuration (I heard the login noises) - and to check that the correct output plugin is selected ?
[01:46] <kbrooks> Geist|Patrick, apt-get openoffice.org2
[01:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> brb have to reboot
[01:46] <mbirkis> nalioth: art.ubuntu.com?
[01:46] <kbrooks> try it.
[01:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> my box got borked >.<
[01:46] <kbrooks> ChurcH_of_FoamY, how?
[01:46] <nalioth> mbirkis: i'd suggest searching the wiki for "art project" or some such
[01:46] <cafuego> a hammer accidentally fell into it
[01:46] <mbirkis> nalioth: thnx
[01:46] <jewel> thinice:  Choose the ESD output
[01:46] <criskolt> can someone help? I installed XP, then installed Ubuntu assuming that the initial installation would automatically detect the other partition and give a boot list
[01:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> blew a power fuse and it went down while cleaning up vmware messes
[01:47] <thinice> jewel: from?
[01:47] <thinice> alsa?
[01:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ie removing winxp for vmware >.<
[01:47] <criskolt> ...not that i miss it, but i lost xp
[01:47] <Geist|Patrick> kbrooks: invalid operation
[01:47] <criskolt> and need it for work
[01:47] <jewel> thinice:  In the preferences ESD should be in the list in addition to OSS and ALSA
[01:47] <jewel> thinice:  ESD should work
[01:47] <asdx> linux sucks
[01:47] <nalioth> criskolt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[01:47] <criskolt> thanks
[01:47] <cafuego> asdx: So does trolling.
[01:47] <asdx> :P
[01:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> criskolt send me a S.A.S.E and i'll send you a copy with key ^_^
[01:48] <jewel> criskolt:  Is it still on the drive or did you install over the top of it?
[01:48] <thinice> I don't see ESD
[01:48] <LincTeK> once you learn some linux it's not bad to use
[01:48] <thinice> I've got...
[01:48] <thinice> eSound
[01:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nope not at all
[01:48] <jewel> thinice:  That's it.  :)
[01:48] <asdx> I know linux well.. But...
[01:48] <thinice> eSound, diskwriter, oss, and also
[01:48] <asdx> I'm kinda tired of everything
[01:48] <thinice> alsa*
[01:48] <jewel> thinice:  It's been a while since I used xmms
[01:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so brb
[01:48] <LincTeK> even with ubuntu there is a little learning curve
[01:48] <cafuego> asdx: nobody is forcing you to use it.
[01:48] <kbrooks> Geist|Patrick, add install
[01:48] <LincTeK> but one of the better distro's for new people to linu x
[01:49] <kbrooks> Geist|Patrick, apt-get install openoffice.org2
[01:49] <jewel> And is going to be even better with breezy
[01:49] <Geist|Patrick> no
[01:49] <splitta> easier than gentoo ;o)
[01:49] <kbrooks> i doubt it will work
[01:49] <LincTeK> yeah ubuntu is so new
[01:49] <Geist|Patrick> i want synaptic update the sources fo that folder regulary
[01:49] <kbrooks> Geist|Patrick, uh.
[01:49] <Geist|Patrick> i need a string for the sources.list
[01:50] <kbrooks> Geist|Patrick, no can do
[01:50] <kbrooks> dont dl it directly
[01:50] <Kyral> holy shit
[01:50] <Kyral> I think I saw something that if MS pulled would DOOM us
[01:50] <Kyral> http://www.litepc.com/xplite.html
[01:51] <Arkainium> How can I get man to list all the functions in a library?  Is it possible?
[01:51] <jewel> Kyral:  Why?
[01:51] <Kyral> Its....XP done right...
[01:51] <jewel> Kyral:  It's still not software freedom
[01:52] <Kyral> Its a step in the right direction
[01:52] <Kyral> cuts the bloat
[01:52] <kbrooks> Kyral, dude
[01:52] <jewel> Kyral:  I don't think you'll ever see Microsoft go that direction
[01:52] <jewel> Kyral:  I think the whole point of Longhorn is to force everyone to buy more computers
[01:52] <jewel> Kyral: err, new computers.
[01:52] <EfaistOs> what are the modules to use an ipod ? I have a shuffle which works fine with gtkpod with USB but with a normal ipod and firewaire i cant use it ... it even didnt detect it :(
[01:52] <Kyral> hahahaha
[01:52] <splitta> with more drm
[01:52] <gennio> do tou speak spanish?
[01:53] <Kyral> yah, can someone explain DRM to me?
[01:53] <gennio> do you speak spanish?
[01:53] <jewel> Kyral:  I think I saw the recommended system requirements somewhere
[01:53] <kbrooks> #ubuntu-es
[01:53] <penguin42> Arkainium: You can use the 'nm' command to list all the symbols in a library
[01:53] <nalioth> gennio en #ubuntu-es
[01:53] <jewel> gennio:  There are persons who speak spanish in #ubuntu-es
[01:53] <asdx> I like linux but what I hate about it is the fanatism behind it. Instead to learn from everything. I also don't like RMS and the GNU movement. They are too fanatics
[01:53] <kbrooks> Kyral, the system requirements are overkill
[01:53] <thinice> gmm
[01:53] <Lydon> dumb question, and don't flame me... but has anyone gotten MSOffice to run on Ubuntu?
[01:54] <anto9us> Kyral: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Rights_Management
[01:54] <Kyral> Use OpenOffice </typical response>
[01:54] <Geist|Patrick> Lydon: try wine
[01:54] <gennio> nalioth jewel thanks
[01:54] <Lydon> The reason I ask is that I want to install it on my mother's pc but she will not do without office
[01:54] <splitta> thats ok asdx...with linux you CAN have a differnt point of view
[01:54] <Geist|Patrick> Lydon: give open office a try
[01:54] <LincTeK> I heard crossover office does an ok job but use openoffice instead
[01:54] <Arkainium> penguin42, I give it a .a file as input?
[01:54] <avanspronsen> Lydon: check out crossover office
[01:54] <penguin42> Arkainium: Nod
[01:54] <Kyral> oh wait, I'm a fanatic
[01:54] <penguin42> Arkainium: or a .so
[01:54] <Lydon> Geist|Patrick: I like oo fine, but it's not for my computer...
[01:55] <jp> hi guys, is there a gdm sessions directory? I want to add a session to gdm, how can I do that? Thanks
[01:55] <adrian_> hell
[01:55] <Geist|Patrick> well...
[01:55] <Kyral> I seriously had someone call me a Linux Jedi
[01:55] <xChill> in nano editor. when i want to save a backup copy of the file. what do i do?
[01:55] <Geist|Patrick> she should be get used with it ;)
[01:55] <adrian_> debian pure is great!
[01:55] <Geist|Patrick> let her try it a while
[01:55] <adrian_> install took me 10 minutes
[01:55] <jewel> jp: It's probably in /etc/X11/gdm
[01:55] <xChill> Ctrl+O first, and then?
[01:55] <Arkainium> penguin42, that's cool.  but there's no way to do it with descriptions?
[01:55] <nalioth> jp: open a file in /usr/share/xsessions READ-ONLY to use as a template for what you want
[01:55] <aio> adrian_ but what did you have once you had that install?
[01:55] <jp> jewel, ok let's see
[01:55] <adrian_> and i have a full workable KDE desktop
[01:55] <jp> nalioth thanks :)
[01:55] <TokenBad> anyone know of any programs like terragen or bryce for linux?
[01:55] <Lydon> LincTek: I've heard you have to pay for Crossover Office?
[01:55] <aio> adrian_ and how long did it take configuring crap?
[01:56] <adrian_> lol
[01:56] <adrian_> 10minutes
[01:56] <LincTeK> yes you do like 40 dollars
[01:56] <Kyral> Lydon: How computer literate is she?
[01:56] <adrian_> configuring and installing
[01:56] <nalioth> TokenBad: like blender?
[01:56] <LincTeK> there is a month free trial
[01:56] <kbrooks> you can grab a trial
[01:56] <TokenBad> I don't really like blender
[01:56] <penguin42> Arkainium: No
[01:56] <Kyral> ie, would she notice if you renamed the OpenOffice icons "MS Office"
[01:56] <TokenBad> but yeah guess
[01:56] <adrian_> is kopete useable for IRC?
[01:56] <penguin42> TokenBad: It has the worlds worst userinterface
[01:56] <Arkainium> penguin42, oh well.  thanks for the info
[01:56] <Lydon> Kyra1: she can use office. haha... that's about the extent of it... I'd say I am a moderately skilled linux user, and a very skilled windows admin
[01:56] <adrian_> Kyral,  ROFL
[01:56] <xChill> in nano editor. when i want to save a backup copy of the file. what do i do?
[01:57] <penguin42> Arkainium: Of course you can always take that list and do 'man' for them :-)
[01:57] <nalioth> xChill: save it as a differnet name
[01:57] <Lydon> Kyra1:... that may be worth a try ;)
[01:57] <Geist|Patrick> well... good night guys
[01:57] <Kyral> Tell her its a BETTER version of MS Office
[01:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow that power crash hit my box hard >.<
[01:57] <Kyral> oh wait, it is :D
[01:57] <aio> adrian_ well - i'm very glad for you.  i spent your 10 minutes installing debian pure, then over a week trying to get my stinkin video card and sound cards configured
[01:57] <marioch> hello, I'm wondering if it's possible to install ubuntu from a network location?
[01:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> fuck!
[01:57] <TokenBad> yeah I didn't like blender that much
[01:57] <xChill> ok, ty
[01:57] <adrian_> i learned that, when someone is skilled at Linux, he can do a shitload of things more with windows
[01:57] <TokenBad> but want something like that
[01:57] <Kyral> or get pissed at Windows
[01:57] <adrian_> aio, what video card do you have?
[01:57] <thinice> how come when I launch something from the administration dropdown and I give it the correct password it errors ?
[01:58] <nalioth> adrian_: when someone is skilled with linux, they tend to leave windows alone
[01:58] <thinice> I know it works under X as root...
[01:58] <Phrostbyte> How do I change the K-Menu button in KDE 3.4?
[01:58] <Kyral> I had to use my sisters XP Laptop to install our new router. I was in physical PAIN using it
[01:58] <TokenBad> anyone know much about ircd?
[01:58] <Kyral> So....slow......so.....bloated......
[01:58] <adrian_> nalioth, a lot of linux'ers are forced to work with windows at work
[01:58] <Riddell> Phrostbyte: change to what?
[01:58] <aio> adrian_ don't remember - it's in my workstation at work....
[01:58] <skora> !ubuntuguide
[01:58] <ubotu> somebody said ubuntuguide was a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[01:58] <tiglionabbit> !newusers
[01:58] <Phrostbyte> Change the button's appearance
[01:58] <ubotu> methinks newusers is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUbuntuUsers
[01:58] <nalioth> adrian_: and i feel sorry for them all
[01:59] <Kyral> I don't wanna use Windows....I don't wanna use Windows......keep it AWAY!!
[01:59] <Phrostbyte> I want to change it from that ugly "K" to Tux Jr.
[01:59] <adrian_> hmpf
[01:59] <thinice> lesigh
[01:59] <aio> adrian_ *but* i wonder how much better/quicker it may have configured itself if i would have used gnome...maybe not a second, but i don't know.....
[01:59] <thinice> now I gotta kill x and start a session as root
[01:59] <adrian_> you MUST admit, Windows is good aswell
[01:59] <kbrooks> VERY good
[01:59] <Kyral> for getting hacked....
[01:59] <adrian_> no serious
[01:59] <Kyral> I am
[01:59] <TokenBad> so can can anyone recommend something besides blender?
[02:00] <adrian_> it has its plus-points
[02:00] <adrian_> BUT
[02:00] <xChill> is there a way to load a modified /etc/X11/xorg.conf without rebooting?
[02:00] <tiglionabbit> xChill: kill X
[02:00] <Kyral> xChill: Restart X
[02:00] <adrian_> it's very best point doesn't have anything to do with Windows directly
[02:00] <jewel> xChill:  Sure, just do sudo /etc/gdm restart
[02:00] <jewel> err
[02:00] <nalioth> xChill: logout and switch to a text terminal ctrl-alt-f2
[02:00] <tiglionabbit> xChill: just log out and hit control-alt-backspace
[02:00] <Kyral> CTRL+ALT+Backspace
[02:00] <kbrooks> adrian_, what is it
[02:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i can't freakin stand this argggghhhhh
[02:00] <jewel> xChill:  That's sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[02:00] <adrian_> the best point of windows is its overall use
[02:00] <nalioth> xChill: then login to the text terminal and load your xorg
[02:00] <tiglionabbit> =P we're trying to tell him two different ways at the same time
[02:01] <tiglionabbit> you only have to do one of em
[02:01] <adrian_> 95% of all software in shops are for Windows
[02:01] <tiglionabbit> adrian_: what?
[02:01] <Kyral> adrian_, go to my topic on the Community Board and look at my "The Empire vs. The Rebellion" topic
[02:01] <nalioth> xChill: after that, ctrl-alt-f7 will take you back to your xserver, where you can ctrl-alt-backspace to restart it
[02:01] <tiglionabbit> adrian_: that is bug #1 on ubuntu's bugzilla
[02:01] <xChill> ty
[02:01] <tiglionabbit> adrian_: go check it out
[02:01] <anto9us> adrian_: and 95% of all software that is free is available for Linux
[02:01] <adrian_> IF WineX worked 100% perfectly
[02:02] <Kyral> and adrian_:: Cedega
[02:02] <adrian_> then Windows would be destroyed
[02:02] <adrian_> windows would be out of business
[02:02] <kbrooks> define destroyed
[02:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how do you kickstart a proccess thats sleeping?
[02:02] <adrian_> serious
[02:02] <jewel> adrian_:  There's no reason in the world it couldn't work perfectly
[02:02] <Kyral> Granted you need to pay 15 for it, but yanno, its good :D
[02:02] <adrian_> jewel, then i ask myself why none of the programs i try work :x
[02:02] <jewel> adrian_:  But it's a lot of work and there are a lot of developers who dont' care about windows software worth beans
[02:02] <olafura> My sound loops forever with alsa and oss, making sound useless
[02:02] <thinice> there a quick way to starx into a different display ?
[02:03] <adrian_> yes, but it would draw an immens lot of people to Windows
[02:03] <jewel> adrian_:  It's because it's not there yet... it's getting better but it still has a long way to go
[02:03] <adrian_> indeed
[02:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how do i make a proccess that i'm running stop sleeping and start doing it's thing
[02:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it kinda stalled
[02:03] <adrian_> but as long as windows progresses, Wine will never be perfect
[02:03] <dylan_> how come i cant get java to work on firefox in linux?
[02:04] <adrian_> dylan_, what hve you done to get Java to work?
[02:04] <tiglionabbit> dylan_: you should be able to
[02:04] <tiglionabbit> !java
[02:04] <ubotu> well, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[02:04] <tiglionabbit> !newusers
[02:04] <ubotu> it has been said that newusers is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUbuntuUsers
[02:04] <anto9us> adrian_: as Linux progresses Wine will become relatively redundant
[02:04] <jewel> adrian_:  Consider, for example, firefox
[02:04] <adrian_> okay
[02:04] <xChill> dylan_: i did this today. go to java.com. download the binfile and follow the install instructions. i am supernoob and managerd to do it
[02:04] <dylan_> bin files do not open
[02:04] <dylan_> for me, anyways
[02:05] <jewel> adrian_:  As programs like that become popular in windows suddenly it seems pointless to get internet explorer to work perfectly in wine
[02:05] <tiglionabbit> dylan_: you can install it through synaptic if you enable the hoary-extras repository, listed here
[02:05] <adrian_> btw Kyral could you give me the url for your Empire vs. Rebellion topic?
[02:05] <tiglionabbit> !extras
[02:05] <ubotu> No idea, tiglionabbit
[02:05] <tiglionabbit> !extra
[02:05] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: I don't know, could you explain it?
[02:05] <adrian_> lol
[02:05] <tiglionabbit> !backports
[02:05] <ubotu> hmm... backports is at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[02:05] <ubuntu> er, having a little trouble
[02:05] <tiglionabbit> who deleted my extras entry
[02:05] <tiglionabbit> well backports is the same link anyway
[02:05] <adrian_> i can't wine Photoshop for example
[02:05] <dylan_> tiglionabbit:  thanks, tiglionabbit
[02:05] <tiglionabbit> blah, what I mean to say is this one though--
[02:06] <adrian_> or RPG Maker 2003
[02:06] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[02:06] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: I don't know
[02:06] <tiglionabbit> what!?
[02:06] <adrian_> or even Notepad :x
[02:06] <tiglionabbit> who deleted it
[02:06] <ubuntu> I need to reinstall grub after I installed windows over my hda1 partition (which had grub installed) I've booted the liveCD and moutned my / partition but when I run grub-install /dev/hda I get:
[02:06] <ubuntu> root@ubuntu:/mnt/work # sbin/grub-install /dev/hda1
[02:06] <ubuntu> /sbin/grub: Not found.
[02:06] <ubuntu> any advice? :)
[02:06] <nalioth> ubuntu: type (in a terminal) 'which grub'
[02:06] <tiglionabbit> ubotu sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[02:06] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: okay
[02:07] <tiglionabbit> there, now it's right
[02:07] <tiglionabbit> this is the link I meant to say
[02:07] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[02:07] <ubotu> rumour has it, sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[02:07] <ubuntu> root@ubuntu:/mnt/work/sbin # which grub
[02:07] <ubuntu> root@ubuntu:/mnt/work/sbin #
[02:07] <Kyral> adrian_, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=48240
[02:07] <adrian_> ty
[02:07] <Kyral> and adrian_: WTF would you emulate NOTEPAD?
[02:07] <adrian_> Kyral, for testing purposes
[02:07] <occy> backports.ubuntuforums.org <-- anyone know what's up with that?
[02:07] <dylan_> could anyone help me to get a 1024x768 mode for a CRT monitor?  it only shows 800x600, nothing else
[02:07] <nalioth> Dalkus: type "locate grub"
[02:07] <Kyral> ........
[02:08] <occy> it seems to be down.
[02:08] <tiglionabbit> adrian_: use leafpad, mousepad, gedit.  There are many programs like notepad for linux
[02:08] <nalioth> !resolution
[02:08] <cafuego> !extras
[02:08] <ubotu> somebody said resolution was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:08] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, extras is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[02:08] <Dalkus> root@ubuntu:/mnt/work/sbin # locate grub
[02:08] <Dalkus> warning: locate: warning: database /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db' is more than 8 days old
[02:08] <Dalkus> /usr/share/doc/memtest86+/examples/grub-menu.lst
[02:08] <Dalkus> /usr/share/vim/vim63/syntax/grub.vim
[02:08] <Dalkus> /usr/share/setup-tool-backends/scripts/boot-grub.pl
[02:08] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: There you go, undeleted.
[02:08] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: how come when you say it it's there?
[02:08] <TokenBad> has anyone tried xandros?
[02:08] <nalioth> Dalkus: your grub has gone missing
[02:08] <Dalkus> mmm, what do I do?
[02:08] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: mysql> update factoids set factoid_key='extras' where factoid_key='extras #DEL#';
[02:08] <tiglionabbit> Dalkus: locate grub, could it be a path problem?
[02:08] <Dalkus> /sbin/grub-install is there on my mounted / partition
[02:09] <nalioth> Dalkus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[02:09] <Dalkus> nalioth, i've been following that guide
[02:09] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: thank you
[02:09] <nalioth> Dalkus: and the result?
[02:10] <Dalkus> nalioth, I've mounted my old root partition under /mnt/work and have followed the instructions to excecute "/sbin/grub-install /dev hda" from inside that mount
[02:10] <Dalkus> but I get the error
[02:10] <xChill> if i make changes to xorg.conf file. will they still be there after e.g. synaptic installs an X update?
[02:10] <cafuego> !forget test
[02:10] <ubotu> cafuego: i forgot test
[02:10] <tiglionabbit> nobody threatens my box of !s
[02:10] <Dalkus> /sbin/grub: Not found.
[02:10] <nalioth> Dalkus: did you chroot?
[02:10] <Dalkus> mmm, nope
[02:10] <Dalkus> root@ubuntu:/mnt/work/sbin # chroot /mnt/work/ /bin/bash
[02:10] <Dalkus> bash: dircolors: command not found
[02:11] <tiglionabbit> xChill: yes, unless you do a "completely remove"
[02:11] <nalioth> Dalkus: if you're all mounted, cp the grub from the livecd
[02:11] <adrian_> Yeeeeeehaw
[02:11] <adrian_> finally
[02:11] <LincTeK> ok hears a question ... when i log into ubuntu the login box dissepears and looks like it's going to load the desktop but kicks me back to the login screen .
[02:11] <xChill> ok
[02:11] <xChill> ty
[02:11] <adrian_> the sudo command on debian pure :D
[02:11] <Dalkus> nalioth, how do you mean? :)
[02:11] <nalioth> LincTeK: any errors?
[02:12] <LincTeK> no just goes back to the login screen .. i can login to a different account and it works
[02:12] <nalioth> Dalkus: if you are not in a chroot environment, you should be able to "cp /path/to/livecd/grub /mounted/on/hard/drive/work/dir/"
[02:12] <adrian_> LincTeK, try ctrl-alt-backspace
[02:13] <nalioth> adrian_: he said it's account specific
[02:13] <LincTeK> I dont get the Ubuntu for humans box on the screen
[02:13] <adrian_> oh
[02:13] <adrian_> hmm
[02:13] <LincTeK> yeah just 1 account
[02:13] <adrian_> try windows way
[02:13] <adrian_> reboot
[02:13] <adrian_> :D
[02:13] <adrian_> sometimes it works :D
[02:13] <The_Vox> LincTeK: you probably have chosen a DE/WM that doesn't exist...change it in the System or Session menu in the login screen
[02:14] <tiglionabbit> adrian_: no, I don't think that would help.  But the windows way I would do it is, delete the account and make a new desktop account with the same name, preferably 8  or less letters
[02:14] <kbrooks> tiglionabbit, overkill
[02:14] <tiglionabbit> oh yeah, The_Vox is probably right
[02:14] <kbrooks> adrian_, why reboot?
[02:14] <tiglionabbit> click on Sessions and pick something different
[02:14] <TokenBad> what was command to see free space on drives again?
[02:14] <tiglionabbit> kbrooks: because in windows you always reboot
[02:14] <The_Vox> TokenBad: df -h
[02:14] <kbrooks> df -h
[02:14] <LincTeK> df -H free space
[02:14] <TokenBad> thanks
[02:14] <TokenBad> I have the hardest time remembering that
[02:15] <kbrooks> LincTeK, h != H
[02:15] <The_Vox> TokenBad: disk free -humans
[02:15] <The_Vox> TokenBad: easy to remember that way :)
[02:15] <nalioth> TokenBad: there is a neat little CLI proggy called 'discus'
[02:15] <The_Vox> LincTeK: -H lies to you
[02:15] <LincTeK> I can change the session on the login screen and get into a terminal
[02:15] <dylan_> how do i play The Sims on Linux?
[02:16] <The_Vox> LincTeK: which WM/DE isn't letting you log in?
[02:16] <The_Vox> dylan_: buy the linux version?
[02:16] <nalioth> dylan_: easiest way is to set a Mac on top of a linux box
[02:16] <LincTeK> default gnome
[02:16] <Dalkus> to grub, would hda2 be   hd0,1    ?
[02:17] <tiglionabbit> oh oh, -H tells you it in the terms hard disk salesmen use to rip you off
[02:17] <LincTeK> my son shuts down the box improperly I think the account got corrupt
[02:17] <dylan_> wait...you can install the Mac OS on a Linux box?
[02:17] <LincTeK> I was thinking of making a new account and copying my /home dir over
[02:17] <tiglionabbit> LincTeK: what happens when you try to log in with that account on the terminal?
[02:17] <The_Vox> LincTeK: I'd get in through the console and mv ~/.gnome ~/.gtk* somebackupdir
[02:18] <Christin> anyone know how to fix flash when there is no sound?
[02:18] <tiglionabbit> !soundproblems
[02:18] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:18] <tiglionabbit> Christin: there is a wiki
[02:18] <nalioth> dylan_: no, you put your linux box on its side, and put your imac on top of it (sims on linux, i tried to be funny)
[02:18] <The_Vox> LincTeK: probably something in the .gnome or .gtk* stuff got corrupted
[02:18] <dylan_> oh
[02:18] <LincTeK> I get in with the terminal
[02:18] <tiglionabbit> Christin: but first off, I'd suggest you go through all your sound devices (right-click on the speaker) and crank the volume all the way up in them.  Things like PCM especially
[02:18] <kbrooks> nalioth, wrong.
[02:18] <kbrooks> dylan_, yes you can
[02:19] <nalioth> Christin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[02:19] <tiglionabbit> Christin: except master..
[02:19] <The_Vox> LincTeK: move the .gnome and .gtk* stuff out of the way and try on X again...you'll have to re-do whatever configurations you may have, tho
[02:19] <dylan_> kbrooks, how do i install the Mac OS on Linux?
[02:19] <nalioth> kbrooks: wrong for attempted humor?
[02:19] <xChill> how can i check if ubuntu has drivers loaded for  my modem?
[02:19] <tiglionabbit> ubotu soundproblems is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[02:19] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: okay
[02:19] <Christin> awesome... thanks everyone
[02:19] <kbrooks> dylan_, emulators suck however
[02:19] <kbrooks> nalioth, sorry.
[02:19] <LincTeK> ok Ill try that vox
[02:19] <The_Vox> dylan_: there's a Sims for linux, somebody was selling it...do a search in google and get it
[02:19] <nalioth> dylan_: you can run mac-on-linux if you run ubuntu on mac hardware
[02:19] <dylan_> kbrooks, is there any way that i can install mac os on a linux box without using an emu?
[02:20] <nalioth> dylan_: you can run mac-on-linux if you run ubuntu on mac hardware
[02:20] <dylan_> but im not
[02:20] <tiglionabbit> dylan_: uh, Macintosh tries to make it so their OS will not run on any hardware but their own
[02:20] <nalioth> dylan_: then there's no way
[02:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i need to kicks start a program i started can anyone help
[02:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it seems to have stalled out
[02:20] <virgule> ..thats why I aint getting another Mac anytime soon... lol
[02:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and won't run
[02:20] <kbrooks> dylan_, a  linux box typically is i386 or any arch other than ppc, so you either use a emulator or give up
[02:21] <nalioth> virgule: my mac(s) run ubuntu just fine
[02:21] <bluefoxicy> kbrooks:  pearpc?  cheryos? :)
[02:21] <adrian_> can you use linux on a macintosh box?
[02:21] <nalioth> oh yes
[02:21] <kbrooks> bluefoxicy, cherryos is done
[02:21] <adrian_> omfg
[02:21] <adrian_> cool
[02:21] <nalioth> adrian_: yes, there are lots of us who do
[02:21] <bungopolis> I love how Evolution is integrated into Gnome's drop-down calender -- but it would be great to also have new email notification on the panel -- how can I achieve this?
[02:21] <tiglionabbit> adrian_: yep
[02:21] <bluefoxicy> kbrooks:  was cherryos the one that was pirating pear?
[02:21] <nalioth> bluefoxicy: yes
[02:21] <kbrooks> bluefoxicy, cherryos was non-free
[02:21] <kbrooks> bluefoxicy, yes
[02:21] <dylan_> kbrooks:  ok thanks
[02:22] <bluefoxicy> kbrooks:  they were ripping another one off too, IIRC
[02:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know?
[02:22] <adrian_> aren't cherryos cereales?
[02:22] <Dekkard> pearpc
[02:22] <nalioth> adrian_: yes, they are discussing Cherry OS
[02:22] <xChill> how can i check if ubuntu has drivers loaded for  my modem?
[02:23] <concept10> bungopolis, hold on i have a link
[02:23] <adrian_> oooh
[02:23] <kbrooks> xChill, lspci
[02:23] <adrian_> is Cherry OS something for Mac or was that Tiger?
[02:23] <tiglionabbit> xChill: it will have if you are able to configure it in network-admin.  You can try looking for it in system -> admin -> device manager, or lspci to see if it can see it
[02:23] <LincTeK> arg i need my linux book
[02:24] <tiglionabbit> linux book?  Which one?
[02:24] <kbrooks> adrian_, no. it WAS a emulator for ppc
[02:24] <concept10> bungopolis, sudo apt-get install mail-notification
[02:24] <LincTeK> The one i used in school for linux
[02:24] <LincTeK> community college class.. I forgot the name of the book tho
[02:24] <xChill> tiglionabbit: lcpi sees it. network manager shows it - but grey
[02:25] <nalioth> adrian_: cherry os was a blatant ripoff of pearpc
[02:25] <adrian_> oh
[02:25] <bungopolis> great, thanks concept10
[02:25] <nalioth> adrian_: pearpc is a x86 proggy to emulate any macintosh OS (that runs on a PPC)
[02:25] <adrian_> i'll google for pearpx
[02:25] <adrian_> ooh
[02:25] <adrian_> okay
[02:25] <LincTeK> im watiing for bananna os to launch
[02:25] <tiglionabbit> xChill: that could mean it's just not activated..
[02:25] <adrian_> funny
[02:25] <LincTeK> lol
[02:25] <tiglionabbit> banana?
[02:25] <LincTeK> joke
[02:25] <adrian_> oh man
[02:26] <xChill> tiglionabbit: the "activate" button is deactivated
[02:26] <adrian_> my throat hurts so damn much :(
[02:26] <mortarhate> does anyone else have problems getting some window managers added to the menu pre-login
[02:26] <LincTeK> go to the doc
[02:26] <concept10> bungopolis, http://www.nongnu.org/mailnotify/
[02:26] <tiglionabbit> mortarhate: you must create .desktop entries for them
[02:26] <adrian_> hmm
[02:26] <struggler> hoary x86 install mails message to modify /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, /etc/X11/fs-xtt/config, and /etc/X11/fs/config.  These files don't exist!?
[02:26] <mortarhate> can you elaborate?
[02:26] <adrian_> i like KDE
[02:26] <mortarhate> or give me a link
[02:26] <nalioth> mortarhate: open a file in /usr/share/xsessions READ-ONLY and use it as a template to make one for whatever dm you are after
[02:26] <LincTeK> I loaded xfce and ice wm no problem in  ubuntu
[02:27] <adrian_> it simplifies everything
[02:27] <mortarhate> well the login manager then read that and load the list of crap?
[02:27] <LincTeK> useing ubuntu 4.10 a while ago
[02:27] <dylan_> what is the synaptic package for Java under Epiphany and Firefox?
[02:27] <mortarhate> and do i just put it in my home dir?
[02:27] <nalioth> mortarhate: if you stick to the template
[02:27] <adrian_> the weirdest thing of Debian-Pure is that i couldn't find a shortcut anywhere to Konsole
[02:27] <tiglionabbit> mortarhate: go to /usr/share/xsessions, and look at the other something.desktop entries.  Write one for the desktop environment you want, using the others for reference
[02:27] <nalioth> mortarhate: no, your NEW .desktop file stays in /usr/share/xsessions
[02:27] <dylan_> what is the synaptic package for Java under Epiphany and Firefox?
[02:27] <xChill> tiglionabbit:  does that mean that it has drivers, or that it doesnt?
[02:28] <mortarhate> indeed
[02:28] <tiglionabbit> xChill: I gots no idea
[02:28] <adrian_> dylan_, don't repeat
[02:28] <nalioths_dog> dylan_: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[02:28] <adrian_> Anyway
[02:28] <dylan_> sorry, i wont repeat...didnt knw
[02:28] <xChill> ok
[02:28] <adrian_> i'm going to bed, it's 2:28AM here :(
[02:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so anyone know the answer to my questions
[02:28] <adrian_> np dylan_  :D
[02:28] <dylan_> thank you, adrian and nolioths, dog
[02:28] <Thorrn4> hello! How can I install SDL, there can an SDL error when I tried to install a program: "SDL - version >= 1.2.2"
[02:28] <adrian_> ChurcH_of_FoamY, what question?
[02:28] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: ps aux | grep <whatever you are looking for>
[02:29] <dylan_> how do i only speak to a certain user on X-Chat?
[02:29] <xChill> anyone knows how i can check if ubuntu has drivers loaded for my modem and if yes which drivers?
[02:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thanx
[02:29] <bluefoxicy> dylan_:  /query
[02:29] <dylan_> thanks
[02:29] <adrian_> dylan_, /pm
[02:29] <adrian_> wtf
[02:29] <GigaClon> !packages
[02:29] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, packages is http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[02:29] <adrian_> :o
[02:29] <nalioth> Thorrn4: its not showing in synaptic?
[02:29] <GigaClon> !synaptic
[02:29] <ubotu> I heard synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[02:29] <mortarhate> another question... has anyone noticed the ubuntu install of blackbox doesnt config anything or create the proper directories
[02:29] <mortarhate> maybe i should uninstall and install the version from blackbox website?
[02:30] <tiglionabbit> Thorrn4: are you trying to compile something?  You will need an SDL package with a name ending in -dev
[02:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> holy fuck theres a ton of em runnin
[02:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_O
[02:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats why they won't start
[02:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[02:30] <adrian_> mortarhate, did you 'apt-get install' them?
[02:30] <adrian_> *it
[02:30] <mortarhate> not yet, first i used kynaptic
[02:30] <adrian_> oh
[02:30] <mortarhate> a couple of times actually
[02:30] <mortarhate> should be the same
[02:30] <adrian_> don't use kynaptic
[02:30] <mortarhate> (i figured)
[02:30] <adrian_> use synaptic
[02:30] <Thorrn4> tiglionabbit, compiling yea
[02:31] <mortarhate> will it make a difference?
[02:31] <sizzam> i want to be able to launch nzbperl.sh by issuing the command "nzbperl at the terminal.  would that require a symlink?
[02:31] <adrian_> is indeed the same but synaptic gives WAY more options
[02:31] <dikadika> how would i boot the kernel with acpi disabled through grub?
[02:31] <mortarhate> alright
[02:31] <tiglionabbit> sizzam: why not just add it to your $PATH ?
[02:31] <mortarhate> i'll look into it
[02:31] <xChill> anyone knows how i can check if ubuntu has drivers loaded for my modem and if yes which drivers?
[02:31] <adrian_> oh man
[02:32] <Thorrn4> tiglionabbit, compiling yea
[02:32] <nalioth> sizzam: if that sh is in your $PATH, no
[02:32] <adrian_> if there is one thing i want Windows for:
[02:32] <tiglionabbit> Thorrn4: k, be sure you dave build-essential, and everything you need in -dev packages
[02:32] <adrian_> then it's mIRC with NNScript :(
[02:32] <cafuego> dikadika: Hit 'e' on the boot line and append 'noacpi'
[02:32] <Thorrn4> tiglionabbit, how can I do that?
[02:32] <nalioth> xChill: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[02:32] <sizzam> tiglionabbit:  thanks, i'll look into that.  correction, its a .pl file.  will i still have to issue the command with the extension?
[02:32] <tiglionabbit> adrian_: NO!  There are many things better for IRC on linux, please look around more
[02:32] <dikadika> cafuego, which line do i append that to? or just put on a new line?
[02:33] <nalioth> Thorrn4: open synaptic and serch for 'sdl' fine the one next the installed one ending in -dev
[02:33] <adrian_> no serious
[02:33] <adrian_> i fell in love with NNScript
[02:33] <adrian_> i just liked it SO damn much
[02:33] <tiglionabbit> adrian_: hmm really..   uh, tried irssi?
[02:33] <adrian_> yes
[02:34] <tiglionabbit> m.  Matter of opinion then I guess
[02:34] <tiglionabbit> but i don't know anything about NNScript.  What is it anyway?
[02:34] <zukalk> i once apt-get installed kubuntu-desktop, but it's just a pkg which depends on all the others. how can i remove *all* that's been installed?
[02:34] <adrian_> it's a script made with the mIRC scripting language
[02:34] <GigaClon> Seveas: ESD is not a option for Stepmania. ESD can't possibly provide any guarantees whatsoever as to the timing of the sound being played
[02:34] <GigaClon> (20:28:57) roothorick: SM needs to know within about 0.5ms where in the stream is actually being played. The last time I looked at the API, you couldn't reasonably get within 50ms.
[02:35] <xChill> nalioth: well, that one is not showing me driver installation/checking tho
[02:35] <GigaClon> oops
[02:35] <dylan_> by installing the java.com binary file so that java will work in firefox and epiphany how do I chmod +x it?  with a root terminal?
[02:35] <tiglionabbit> zukalk: I wish I knew that.  You could use deborphan, but many of the things kubuntu installs will depend on their parts..
[02:35] <adrian_> hmm
[02:35] <virgule> I just installed mol-modules-source from synaptic. where is the srouce tree now?
[02:35] <tiglionabbit> dylan_: yes
[02:35] <adrian_> where is fstab/mtab?
[02:35] <virgule> in /etc/
[02:35] <tiglionabbit> mtab?
[02:36] <zukalk> tiglionabbit, i was wonderin' if it's safe to remove everything that's in the 'kde' apt section
[02:36] <nalioth> xChill: wiki.ubuntu.com/TitleIndex  and look for yourself
[02:36] <zukalk> tiglionabbit, you can see those kde packages in the synaptic categories
[02:36] <tiglionabbit> zukalk: it should be safe to remove anything that doesn't make APT complain and delete your base install with it
[02:36] <nalioth> zukalk: safe as in what way?
[02:36] <xChill> nalioth: thx, looking already
[02:36] <zukalk> nalioth, as in not removing anything important to the system
[02:36] <nalioth> zukalk: nah, you'll just lose all your kde apps
[02:37] <zukalk> nalioth, ah, good
[02:37] <bungopolis> I find `apt-get remove apt-get` quite useful
[02:37] <zukalk> lol
[02:37] <tiglionabbit> bungopolis: what purpose would that serve, other than to make your ubuntu install very boring and immutable?
[02:37] <tiglionabbit> does it even let you do that?
[02:37] <bungopolis> tiglionabbit it makes for good conversation on IRC
[02:37] <adrian_> ehh
[02:38] <adrian_> where is the sudoers file? :/
[02:38] <zukalk> nah, the package's called 'apt'
[02:38] <gangalee> I ran out of space during a Warty->Hoary upgrade... the last message was "Setting up libeel2-dev (2.10.0-0ubuntu1) ... dpkg: error processing libeel2-dev (--configure): failed to write status record about 'python-eunuchs' to '/var/lib/dpkg/status':No space left on device  E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[02:38] <bungopolis> good point zukalk
[02:38] <nalioth> adrian_: why do you ask?
[02:38] <gangalee> how do I recover/continue from this?
[02:38] <gangalee> anyway to flush out more space?
[02:38] <virgule> !source
[02:38] <ubotu> virgule: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:38] <tiglionabbit> oh neat, Synaptic stops you.  "Removing this package may render the system unusable.  Are you sure you want to do that?"
[02:38] <nalioth> gangalee: livecd
[02:39] <virgule> Sympatic
[02:39] <zukalk> tiglionabbit, you tried to remove apt? :P
[02:39] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[02:39] <ubotu> I heard sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[02:39] <adrian_> because i'm on Debian Pure, i downloaded the sudo package but my account isn't written in the sudoers file
[02:39] <gangalee> nalioth: no CD drive
[02:39] <nalioth> gangalee: remove/tranfer big stuff
[02:39] <dylan_> what is fakeroot make-jpkg?
[02:39] <nalioth> adrian_: you need 'visudo'
[02:39] <adrian_> tiglionabbit, are you running KDE for the moment?
[02:39] <nalioth> adrian_: run that as root
[02:39] <gangalee> nalioth: then what to restart/resume the upgrade?
[02:39] <dylan_> do i have to install some other packages for fakeroot make-jpkg to work?
[02:39] <tiglionabbit> adrian_: nope
[02:39] <adrian_> bash: visudo: command not found
[02:40] <kbrooks> dylan_, dont worry about it
[02:40] <tiglionabbit> adrian_: I meant it says that when you try to remove "apt"
[02:40] <nalioth> gangalee: whatever commend you issued to initiate the original session (apt-get upgrade, i guess)
[02:40] <adrian_> oooh
[02:40] <adrian_> lol
[02:40] <adrian_> i was confused with the guy removing kubuntu_desktop :D
[02:40] <nalioth> adrian_: you have to run "sudo visudo"
[02:41] <tiglionabbit> lol
[02:41] <gangalee> nalioth: I can tell you're an expert :) Redo the whole upgrade? It's being logged, is there a way to restart from the last point?
[02:41] <tiglionabbit> he can't sudo, remember?
[02:41] <nalioth> adrian_: it uses vi keyboard command input
[02:41] <tiglionabbit> adrian_: just become root and then visudo
[02:41] <bungopolis> I installed mail-notification but it doesn't let me connect to SSL/TLS servers, the option is grayed out. I saw on the site that openssl was a dependency for this, so i installed that too. I still dont have the ability to connect -- what gives?
[02:41] <kbrooks> tiglionabbit, ERM
[02:41] <virgule> !kernel-source
[02:41] <ubotu> virgule: Bugger all, i dunno
[02:41] <adrian_> argh
[02:41] <tiglionabbit> adrian_: like, su
[02:41] <kbrooks> roor is unpassworded
[02:41] <adrian_> i filled it in uncorrectly
[02:41] <adrian_> anyways
[02:41] <nalioth> gangalee: if you clean off the pR0n/music, and issue "apt-get upgrade", it should continue from where it left
[02:41] <kbrooks> tiglionabbit, You cannot do su
[02:42] <adrian_> that is for tomorrow
[02:42] <tiglionabbit> kbrooks: I thought he had a non-typical install
[02:42] <virgule> what is the name of the kernel source package?
[02:42] <kbrooks> adrian_, ping
[02:42] <adrian_> eh
[02:42] <adrian_> what ping?
[02:42] <nalioth> bungopolis: there isnt a gmail option in it?
[02:42] <kbrooks> adrian_, what distro?
[02:42] <adrian_> Debian Pure
[02:42] <gangalee> nalioth: Thx, you're right, it is the porn -"bootytalk24.rar"
[02:42] <virgule> what is the name of the kernel source package?
[02:42] <shortcircuit> is there a way i can install multiple versions of librarys to work out dependancy issues?
[02:42] <bungopolis> nalioth, there is, but it says its broken. I'm just going to use pop.gmail.com for my gmail, but that requires SSL, and my other accounts also require SSL/TLS.
[02:43] <nalioth> gangalee: and i need that to complete my collection, too! lol
[02:43] <dylan_> kbrooks why should i not worry about it?
[02:43] <thinice> ok...
[02:43] <adrian_> normal Debian with packages included
[02:43] <thinice> get this...
[02:43] <kbrooks> adrian_, ok, just checking
[02:43] <adrian_> actually
[02:43] <thinice> I can hear sound perfectly when I loginto x as root
[02:43] <nalioth> bungopolis: apt remove the mail notification
[02:43] <thinice> but not as a user
[02:43] <kbrooks> tiglionabbit, i thought he had ubuntu
[02:43] <gangalee> nalioth: If you have ghettobooty9, we can trade
[02:43] <bungopolis> nalioth -- but... I want the mail notification
[02:43] <adrian_> it's a look-a-like of Ubuntu :D
[02:43] <bungopolis> nalioth - you mean to reinstall?
[02:43] <tiglionabbit> thinice: make sure the user is in the audio group, using system -> admin -> users and groups.  And uh, DONT use X as ROOT
[02:44] <adrian_> anyways
[02:44] <nalioth> bungopolis: i was gonna suggest you install the ssl dev libs and have apt build you mail-notification
[02:44] <thinice> tiglionabbit: I know that was a naughty thing but I had to know :D
[02:44] <adrian_> Bye bye
[02:44] <thinice> also I got another question
[02:44] <adrian_> i'm off to bed
[02:44] <mortarhate> where is that xsession directory again
[02:44] <tiglionabbit> thinice: o
[02:44] <thinice> when I -do- use the administration panels from the menu, I enter my root pw and it says it's an invalid pass
[02:44] <nalioth> mortarhate: /usr/share/xsession
[02:44] <mortarhate> hehe
[02:44] <mortarhate> thanks
[02:44] <hondje> !smeg
[02:44] <ubotu> from memory, smeg is a Gnome menu editor. Get it at at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[02:44] <nalioth> thinice: there is no root pass
[02:44] <nalioth> thinice: use YOUR pass
[02:44] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: he said he logged in as root, so he must have made one
[02:44] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: his issue is with sound =P
[02:45] <nalioth> then i'm lost on that one
[02:45] <thinice> nalioth: is this a 'whishful thinking of the force' or.. is it .. for real ?
[02:45] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: I suggested he add that user to the audio group
[02:45] <kbrooks> nalioth, sudo passwd
[02:45] <kbrooks> hint hint
[02:45] <nalioth> thinice: am not familiar with your case, sorry
[02:45] <nalioth> kbrooks: i have no need for a root account, i get by just fine with sudo
[02:45] <thinice> failed to run users-admin: child terminated with 1 status
[02:46] <nalioth> kbrooks: and the funny thing is: i've enabled sudo on previous linux that i've run
[02:46] <thinice> says that on both passwords
[02:46] <kbrooks> nalioth, maybe he executed that command.
[02:46] <nalioth> thinice: run from the terminal
[02:46] <tiglionabbit> thinice: it also could be that your volume levels are misconfigured.  I found gnome to screw them up sometimes when I run out of batteries.  Just right-click on your speaker icon and go through every single device and crank it up.  Especially PCM ones
[02:46] <thinice> heh
[02:46] <thinice> what speaker icon...
[02:47] <tiglionabbit> thinice: the one on your gnome panel, top right, should be by the date
[02:47] <tiglionabbit> thinice: if it's not there, right-click on the panel and add one
[02:47] <thinice> actually I went into volume control and it says there's no device
[02:47] <thinice> i
[02:48] <thinice> I'll add me to audio group
[02:48] <tiglionabbit> thinice: system -> preferences -> multimedia device selector
[02:48] <tiglionabbit> thinice: switch it to alsa and test it
[02:48] <dylan_> is there a way to get rhythmbox to act as iTunes so that i can transfer songs to and fro?
[02:48] <virgule> ooooh : --- Error: Unconfigured kernel source! -> how do I configure it please?
[02:48] <shortcircuit> is there a way i can install multiple versions of librarys to work out dependancy issues?
[02:48] <kbrooks> thinice, __please__ *DO NOT* run X as root.
[02:48] <tiglionabbit> shortcircuit: chroot.  But be sure you know what you're doing
[02:49] <kbrooks> tiglionabbit, overkill
[02:49] <tiglionabbit> kbrooks: I know
[02:49] <shortcircuit> tiglionabbit, is there a howto?
[02:49] <kbrooks> tiglionabbit, 100%
[02:49] <tiglionabbit> shortcircuit: depends on what exactly you're trying to resolve here
[02:49] <tiglionabbit> deb distros aren't really designed for multiple libraries
[02:49] <kbrooks> tiglionabbit, why chroot when you can install the specific lib?
[02:49] <tiglionabbit> I mean multiple versions of them
[02:49] <shortcircuit> tiglionabbit,  im trying to get dvd::rip it wants all old libs
[02:49] <thinice> tiglionabbit: I switched it from OSS, eSound and Alsa, nogo.
[02:49] <tiglionabbit> kbrooks: heh, well I don't know, could you explain it to me?
[02:50] <thinice> kbrooks: i -KNOW-, it wasn't a permanent thing...
[02:50] <kbrooks> ah. well,  i installed a specific version of binutils, and it didnt even conflict
[02:50] <mortarhate> i dont have synaptic
[02:50] <kbrooks> (for a specific app)
[02:50] <tiglionabbit> thinice: tried turning up the volume on every single possible volume thingy?
[02:50] <mortarhate> maybe because im running kubuntu
[02:50] <mortarhate> and blackbox still doenst insatll properly with apt-get
[02:50] <kbrooks> mortarhate, kynaptic
[02:51] <mortarhate> yea i used that
[02:51] <mortarhate> someone told me to use synaptic
[02:51] <mortarhate> because kynaptic wasnt configing crap
[02:51] <tiglionabbit> time for me to eat dinner, talk to you guys later
[02:51] <thinice> I did
[02:52] <kbrooks> shortcircuit, well
[02:52] <thinice> how can I set my UID ?
[02:52] <thinice> I forgot...
[02:52] <kbrooks> thinice, dont change it
[02:52] <mortarhate> ugh
[02:52] <kbrooks> why do you want to?
[02:52] <kbrooks> some apps depend on the uid
[02:52] <thinice> because mandrake linux uses 500's and has no prob with sound.
[02:53] <kbrooks> dude
[02:53] <aceidia> can any one help me with getting my video card drivers?
[02:53] <kbrooks> thinice, because it uses aRts
[02:53] <thinice> uhm...
[02:54] <thinice> ALSA
[02:54] <kbrooks> aceidia, Easy. Er, wait
[02:54] <kbrooks> thinice, the frontend is aRts
[02:54] <kbrooks> on mdk
[02:54] <thinice> and frontends matter ... ?
[02:54] <kbrooks> aceidia, What video card do you have?
[02:54] <aceidia> thanks
[02:55] <aceidia> matrox gefore 440
[02:55] <kbrooks> No.. the underlying program does matter
[02:55] <kbrooks> aceidia, geforce?
[02:55] <aceidia> ya that would be the one.. lmao
[02:56] <kbrooks> aceidia, OK. pastebin the output of lspci
[02:57] <aceidia> what.? i;m new to the system i have no clue what you mean..
[02:57] <Scognito> is there a way to speed hotplug during boot? it takes about 40 seconds
[02:57] <sizzam> if i want to add to my $PATH variable, should i edit .bash_profile?
[02:57] <kbrooks> erm.
[02:57] <kbrooks> aceidia, A newbie eh?
[02:57] <aceidia> yup... lmao. just ditched windows..
[02:57] <aceidia> about 4 nights ago.
[02:57] <kbrooks> aceidia, heh. i ditched it last year
[02:58] <aceidia> kool.
[02:58] <kbrooks> aceidia, Does your desktop display well?
[02:58] <kbrooks> With the card in?
[02:59] <aceidia> .. i can only run at 1024x768...
[02:59] <aceidia> and it picks it up as pci not agp..
[02:59] <zukalk> tiglionabbit, i installed every pkg under 'kde' category. well, nothing's blown up so far
[02:59] <zukalk> tiglionabbit, uninstalled*
[02:59] <kbrooks> Ah. So you want a bigger resolution.
[02:59] <aceidia> that and  i need the drivers that let me use direct draw so i can use an emulator to play a game..
[03:00] <kbrooks> aceidia, Well. This can be solved with the u...wait
[03:00] <mortarhate> and why does blackbox mess with my resolution ;)
[03:00] <kbrooks> mortarhate, X detects the best resolution for your monitor and uses it.
[03:00] <mortarhate> eh
[03:00] <mortarhate> well kde it used the highest
[03:00] <kbrooks> mortarhate, Not blackbox
[03:00] <mortarhate> 1280.1024
[03:00] <tiglionabbit> zukalk: k good.  Just watch for when it says "Uninstalling this may render your system unusable".  Don't agreed to that =P
[03:00] <mortarhate> and blackbox changes it to really low
[03:00] <mortarhate> so how does that wokr
[03:00] <mortarhate> work*
[03:00] <zukalk> tiglionabbit, i'll keep that in mind ;)
[03:01] <kbrooks> mortarhate, No idea.
[03:01] <kbrooks> aceidia, DirectDraw is proprietary.
[03:01] <tiglionabbit> !resolution
[03:01] <ubotu> somebody said resolution was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:01] <aceidia> ok how do i enable it.?
[03:02] <kbrooks> aceidia, It is not installable under Linux without the usage of a emulator
[03:02] <_simple> anybody can help me get intel 915gv express chipset graphics running on ubuntu
[03:02] <_simple> can anybody
[03:02] <aceidia> ok which one i am using cedega right now... but i don;t know if it will work..
[03:02] <nalioth> _simple: open a terminal
[03:03] <_simple> opened
[03:03] <tiglionabbit> mortarhate: if you want, you can remove resolutions from the "Modes" lines in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to make sure it wont use those resolutions.  However, this may cause progams to crash if they reeely need those modes
[03:03] <nalioth> _simple: what does your ubuntu show now when it starts?
[03:03] <mortarhate> i was thinking about that
[03:03] <kbrooks> aceidia, Cedega? Heh.
[03:03] <_simple> user name @ hostname:~$ ?
[03:03] <_simple> i think you mean..
[03:03] <_simple> or you mean the gdm login ?
[03:04] <nalioth> _simple: type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and choose (when it asks) VESA for the driver
[03:04] <kbrooks> Sounds like you know a lot about Linux, _simple
[03:04] <nalioth> _simple: gdm login?
[03:04] <aceidia> ya i was using it to try and play some games but it keeps giving me problems... like unreadable get more fonts and now direct draw..
[03:04] <kbrooks> nalioth, ARE you SURE vesa will work for my card 100%?
[03:04] <alex__> i need help setting up vsftpd
[03:04] <_simple> knowing what a gdm screen is and what the terminal is and what is shown in it is about the extent and not alot :D
[03:04] <nalioth> kbrooks: all modern video chips are VESA compatible
[03:05] <kbrooks> nalioth, OK
[03:05] <nalioth> _simple: if you get a gdm login, what is the problem?
[03:05] <_simple> like.. running a screensaver that's 3d completely runs slow like 1fps or something
[03:05] <tiglionabbit> everything should work with vesa.  Just not very well
[03:05] <nalioth> kbrooks: you don't get 3d, you dont get fancy rendering, but you do get a display in multiple resolutions
[03:06] <nalioth> _simple: ok then try the vesa thing
[03:06] <_simple> stuff like that
[03:06] <_simple> i did, i don't see "intel"
[03:06] <alex__> i go into vsftpd, and can't log in
[03:06] <nalioth> _simple: you are not choosing 'intel', you are choosing VESA
[03:06] <_simple> ah
[03:07] <_simple> should the bus identifier filled in be default?
[03:07] <bob2> no
[03:07] <_simple> and the one i use
[03:07] <bob2> leave it blank
[03:07] <karnage-> i DESPERATELY need to upgrade to PHP 4.3.11 or 4.4.0, as opposed to the current 4.3.10. Does anyone know where I can track down the .deb packages for this?
[03:07] <nalioth> _simple: i'd answer all of them but the 'driver' the defaults
[03:07] <_simple> alright
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> karnage-: there's a debian LAMP page with packages
[03:08] <kbrooks> HrdwrBoB, NO!
[03:08] <alex__> i can't log into vsftpd
[03:08] <karnage-> HrdwrBoB: where?
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> kbrooks: probably no, I don't use them
[03:08] <dylan_> is there a way to install java via synaptic?
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> I just compile php5
[03:08] <nalioth> karnage-: it is not a good idea to mix debian pkgs into ubuntu
[03:09] <karnage-> hrmm
[03:09] <SDFH_Linux> whats the program you need to see ART images?
[03:09] <nalioth> !java
[03:09] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[03:09] <G|immer> can someone remind me of the URL where these chatlogs are kept?
[03:09] <Aegir> Bah, its not *that* bad to install Debian packages
[03:09] <karnage-> nalioth: well I need to upgrade to a newer version of PHP, and compiling from source isnt an option
[03:09] <kbrooks> it is
[03:09] <HrdwrBoB> karnage-: it isn't
[03:09] <HrdwrBoB> ?
[03:09] <kbrooks> @ Aegir
[03:09] <kbrooks> karnage-, why?
[03:09] <mick_> could some one walk me through how to install vlc
[03:09] <Aegir> Never has been in my experiance kbrooks
[03:09] <tiglionabbit> !info vlc
[03:10] <nalioth> karnage-: you can't compile?
[03:10] <nalioth> mick_: open a terminal
[03:10] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[03:10] <karnage-> i have a minimal server install for a firewall/webserver, so to compile PHP from source it wants to install over 100 packages!
[03:10] <Aegir> Obviously dont put a whole debian repository in, but the ocasional package wont cause the end of the world
[03:10] <mick_> !info vlc
[03:10] <tiglionabbit> I can, as soon as I finish this popsicle
[03:10] <nalioth> mick_: that wont get you a walkthrough
[03:10] <kbrooks> Aegir, well  dont advice noobs to install debian packages
[03:10] <HrdwrBoB> karnage-: you can compile it on another machine
[03:10] <kbrooks> advise*
[03:10] <tiglionabbit> !multimedia
[03:10] <ubotu> methinks multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[03:10] <kbrooks> HrdwrBoB, bad idea
[03:10] <sizzam> anyone available for some $PATH assistance
[03:10] <Aegir> kbrooks, And how am I supposed to know he's a noob?
[03:10] <bob2> karnage-: if you desperately need it, you desperately have to compile it yourself
[03:10] <karnage-> hrm
[03:10] <HrdwrBoB> kbrooks: not really
[03:11] <bob2> karnage-: what's so special about the new minor version?
[03:11] <kbrooks> Aegir, *in general*
[03:11] <nalioth> Aegir: assume everyone is a new user, unless you've seen them enough to know different
[03:11] <Aegir> kbrooks, I treat everyone on irc as reasonably intelligent
[03:11] <dylan_> how do i install java?
[03:11] <HrdwrBoB> Aegir: that's taking it a bit too far :)
[03:11] <Aegir> ;)
[03:11] <kbrooks> nalioth, that's what I do
[03:11] <dylan_> without using the .bin file?
[03:11] <nalioth> dylan_: did you go to that URL?
[03:11] <karnage-> 4.3.10 has bugs with INSERT and UPDATE queries when talking to Sybase servers, which is EXACTLY what I need to do, and it doesnt work
[03:11] <virgule> !mol
[03:11] <ubotu> virgule: I give up, what is it?
[03:11] <tiglionabbit> what are you guys talking about here?
[03:11] <karnage-> so i DESPERATELY need to install a newer version
[03:11] <kbrooks> nalioth, although I ask if they are newbies first
[03:12] <karnage-> apparently the problem is fixed in 4.3.11
[03:12] <virgule> can I tell ubotu to give https://wiki.ubuntu.com//MacOnLinuxHowto as !mol answer?
[03:12] <tiglionabbit> mick_: I can help you out now, ready?
[03:12] <bob2> karnage-: then you'll have to compile it, sorry.  or convince the ubuntu release managere that it's worth fixing in hoary.
[03:12] <nalioth> virgule: if you wish
[03:12] <kbrooks> bob2, its a minor issue to me
[03:12] <sizzam> i added a new location to my $PATH variable in .bash_profile.  I rebooted, when i echo $PATH in gnome, the new location isn't there.  but, if i ctrl+alt+f1 and echo $PATH, its there
[03:12] <bob2> yes, I agree
[03:12] <virgule> ubotu mol is See https://wiki.ubuntu.com//MacOnLinuxHowto for help
[03:12] <kbrooks> and i dont think the managers would be convinced
[03:12] <ubotu> okay, virgule
[03:13] <karnage-> im building another ubuntu box with a full install... can i compile it on this box and somehow move to my minimal server?
[03:13] <tiglionabbit> !info vlc
[03:13] <bob2> karnage-: not simply
[03:13] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[03:13] <kbrooks> bob2, a security fix is by definition not a "bug"
[03:13] <bob2> kbrooks: what?
[03:13] <kbrooks> and since that is a bug....they wont be convinced
[03:13] <karnage-> okay...
[03:13] <karnage-> well...
[03:13] <karnage-> http://packages.dotdeb.org/dists/woody/php4/binary-i386/
[03:14] <kbrooks> bob2, a bug is NOT a security fix
[03:14] <karnage-> theres 4.3.11 .deb packages available there
[03:14] <bob2> karnage-: I'd really recommend against using those
[03:14] <karnage-> can i try them?
[03:14] <bob2> karnage-: I have no idea what you're trying to say
[03:14] <kbrooks> karnage-, bad idea to mix debian and ubuntu
[03:14] <bob2> er, kbrooks
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> karnage-: that's what I was tlaking about
[03:14] <nalioth> karnage-: you've been warned by enough different folks, go ahead if you wish
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> kbrooks: they're not debian packeh
[03:14] <karnage-> lol
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> karnage-: worst case scenario it doesn't work
[03:14] <kbrooks> HrdwrBoB, so?
[03:15] <bob2> karnage-: building those from source would probably be ok
[03:15] <karnage-> grrrrrrrrrrr
[03:15] <HrdwrBoB> so given that it doesn't work right now
[03:15] <HrdwrBoB> it's not exactly a step backwards
[03:15] <karnage-> i cant compile from source!!
[03:15] <kbrooks> bob2: a bug is not a security fix. there needs to be a *serious security flaw* in php in order for a new version to be packaged up
[03:15] <Aegir^> Why>
[03:15] <tiglionabbit> karnage-: get build-essential, and the -dev libs you need
[03:15] <tiglionabbit> !compile
[03:15] <nalioth> karnage-: you won't compile from source, there is a difference
[03:15] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, tiglionabbit
[03:16] <HrdwrBoB> karnage-: yes you can
[03:16] <HrdwrBoB> karnage-: you can compile the deb on another ubuntu machine
[03:16] <bob2> karnage-: you compile the *packages*, then install the resulting .debs
[03:16] <SDFH_Linux> whats the program you need to see ART images?
[03:16] <bob2> kbrooks: er, yes, I know how it works
[03:16] <_simple> hmm *oh well* didn't change anything
[03:16] <tiglionabbit> SDFH_Linux: please run the command "file" on that file, and tell me what it says
[03:16] <bob2> kbrooks: serious bugs can potentially be fixed in a stable release, too
[03:17] <SDFH_Linux> its has the extensiion .art
[03:17] <coolkev> how do i list all my drives/partitions
[03:17] <tiglionabbit> SDFH_Linux: I know.  Please run "file" on it
[03:17] <karnage-> fck it... im installing build-essential
[03:17] <karnage-> lol
[03:17] <bob2> coolkev: you can't, simply
[03:17] <SDFH_Linux> i cant download the file
[03:17] <tiglionabbit> SDFH_Linux: know how to use the terminal?
[03:17] <buulian> How do you format a usb flash disk?
[03:17] <hondje> bob2: On an interesting note, those problems I was having with ls complaining about I/O turned out to be software, but I can't track down where it came from
[03:17] <bob2> buulian: with mkfs
[03:18] <bob2> hondje: they were coming from the kernel
[03:18] <sizzam> i added a new location to my $PATH variable in .bash_profile.  I rebooted, when i echo $PATH in gnome, the new location isn't there.  but, if i ctrl+alt+f1 and echo $PATH, its there
[03:18] <SDFH_Linux> lol
[03:18] <kbrooks> bob2, define 'simply'
[03:18] <Aegir^> coolkev, 'df' for disk usage, mount to simply list mounted partitions, and also you can use the various partioning programs
[03:18] <bob2> kbrooks: what?
[03:18] <ralf> sizzam: use .bashrc instead
[03:18] <tiglionabbit> sizzam: you need to use .bashrc I believe
[03:18] <sizzam> just add it to the bottom?
[03:18] <ralf> no
[03:18] <hondje> well yeah, but I can't figure out what update caused it, or if it was some cosmic bitflipping...not nearly enough to get a good bug report in
[03:18] <tiglionabbit> sizzam: and btw, you don't need to reboot.  Use "source .bashrc" to update things according to that file
[03:18] <kbrooks> bob2, what do you mean by 'simply'
[03:18] <ralf> edit .bashrc instead of .bash_profile
[03:18] <karnage-> should i remove all PHP4 stuff through APT before compiling PHP4 from source?
[03:19] <nalioth> sizzam: it doesnt really matter, the whole file is parsed
[03:19] <sizzam> tiglionabbit:  awesome, thanks
[03:19] <Aegir^> karnage-, Yes
[03:19] <sizzam> thanks, will give it a go
[03:19] <karnage-> okay
[03:19] <kitchen> how does one cope with md5sum mismatch (libgnet2.0-0_2.0.4-1_i386.deb) ?
[03:19] <karnage-> i'll give it a crack
[03:19] <ralf> and do: echo '. ~/.bashrc' >> ~/.bash_profile
[03:19] <kbrooks> karnage-, No. Linux is NOT windows
[03:19] <bob2> karnage-: I was talking to coolkev, not you.  I meant "simply" in the sense "there is no simple way that I know of to reliably enumerate hard disks from user space"
[03:19] <bimberi> coolkev: sudo fdisk -l
[03:19] <bob2> kitchen: don't use us.archive.ubuntu.com
[03:19] <tiglionabbit> kitchen: is it with the us servers?  Edit your sources.list and delete "us." in all of the urls
[03:19] <kbrooks> bob2, ok
[03:19] <kitchen> neato
[03:19] <kitchen> thanks
[03:19] <nalioth> !usrepos
[03:19] <ubotu> well, usrepos is if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:20] <Aegir^> karnage-, Although it will install over the top, and if you then go to remove the packages, their is a good chance it will also remove the compiled source. Keep the source around aswell, as you can run 'make uninstall' to uninstall it
[03:20] <kbrooks> Aegir, watch it
[03:20] <Aegir^> Bugger off kbrooks
[03:20] <kitchen> ok, if that so well known, why isn't usrepos fixed? :-)
[03:20] <mick_> hey how i go about installing new codecs such as xvid
[03:20] <kbrooks> Aegir, 'make uninstall' is rarely implemented
[03:20] <tarvid> trying to install an HP 4000n on Hoary
[03:20] <bob2> kitchen: it's been intermittent
[03:21] <Aegir^> kbrooks, It has worked for every single app I've compiled by source.
[03:21] <bob2> mick_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, linked from the wiki
[03:21] <Aegir^> Thus it works good enough for me
[03:21] <tarvid> Unable to get printer status (server-error-operation-not-supported)!
[03:21] <buulian> what's the best fs type to use on a usb flash device?
[03:21] <kbrooks> Aegir^, 'every single app'?
[03:21] <bob2> er, s/wiki/faq/
[03:21] <sproingie> make uninstall is a standard target of automake
[03:21] <Aegir^> kbrooks, Yes
[03:21] <bob2> buulian: if you care about windows being able to use it, fat32
[03:21] <kitchen> buulian probably one of the ms ones so you can use it on a windows box
[03:21] <bob2> buulian: if not, ext2
[03:21] <kbrooks> sproingie, then why wont projects adopt automake?
[03:22] <buulian> bob2, thanks
[03:22] <sproingie> kbrooks: because automake is a festering pile of dung
[03:22] <Aegir^> Heh
[03:22] <Hackmo> can anyone help me get my webcam working?
[03:22] <tiglionabbit> bob2: why ext22 and not ext3?
[03:22] <kbrooks> sproingie, what do you mean?
[03:22] <Aegir^> Hmm, I've used it succesfully on source that doesnt use automake. Hmmm...
[03:22] <bob2> tiglionabbit: journalling on flash sounds to me like it's gong to wear it out quicker
[03:22] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: ext3 has journaling
[03:22] <bob2> tiglionabbit: I may just be paranoid
[03:22] <kbrooks> tiglionabbit, because checks smack flash
[03:23] <kbrooks> and wear it out
[03:23] <tiglionabbit> o
[03:23] <sproingie> kbrooks: like the rest of autotools, it doesnt work on non-unix platforms.  requires a whole bunch of external tools.  and it creates monolothic unmaintainable makefiles with disgustingly verbose unreadable output
[03:24] <sproingie> kbrooks: probably the worst thing about it is that it uses libtool, which creates .so files that don't even WORK if you just copy them around
[03:24] <bob2> #ubuntu-offtopic, folks
[03:24] <bob2> especially since not all that is correct
[03:25] <nalioth> bob2: so #ubuntu-hotair? lol
[03:25] <bob2> or deopping
[03:25] <Aegir^> Mmm, scons with jam... *drool*
[03:25] <sproingie> heh
[03:26] <tiglionabbit> Warning: Could not open joystick -1.
[03:26] <tiglionabbit> The Simple DirectMedia error that occured was:
[03:26] <tiglionabbit> There are 1 joysticks available
[03:26] <tiglionabbit> ^^  uh...
[03:26] <tiglionabbit> most games I run are saying that to me.  I just plugged in my usb joystick.  It usually works
[03:27] <Aegir^> Heheh
[03:27] <Aegir^> Now everyone can bitch at each other on the same level
[03:27] <tiglionabbit> sproingie: neverball and supertux use the joystick
[03:27] <tiglionabbit> sproingie: I'm using a playstation controller, actually
[03:28] <sproingie> ah yes
[03:28] <needsomehelp> anyone know how long transcode takes wth dvd::rip to make an xvid? it said on my system eta 6 hours just wondering if this is normal
[03:28] <Aegir^> Joystick is only good for flying planes and helicopters in games :)
[03:28] <nalioth> needsomehelp: what system specs?
[03:28] <sproingie> the space fighter combat game is just dead.  too bad, i rather liked that genre
[03:28] <needsomehelp> p4 2.8ghz with 1gig ram
[03:28] <Aegir^> sproingie, Me too. Freelancer was the last decent sci-fi game. And it used mouse-keyboard
[03:29] <sproingie> freespace2 just gave you a real sense of dread in some of the missions, you're saying "holy crap, that thing is BIG"
[03:29] <nalioth> needsomehelp: you should be over the halfway point
[03:29] <Aegir^> I want more sci-fi games...
[03:29] <Aegir^> :'(
[03:29] <needsomehelp> well so its not minutes like some guides state
[03:29] <needsomehelp> its actually hours
[03:30] <G|immer> good night guys.
[03:30] <tiglionabbit> hey guys, how will linux treat me if I make a fat32 /home partition?
[03:30] <nalioth> needsomehelp: yes it is
[03:30] <Aegir^> tiglionabbit, Well, it shouldnt physically gobble you up and eat you. It may murder your pets though =/
[03:30] <nalioth> needsomehelp: took me over 6 hours just to rip/encode 1 chapter off a dvd on my G4 ibook
[03:30] <tiglionabbit> Aegir^: but I love my pets
[03:30] <needsomehelp> ok
[03:30] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: it will hate you forever and call you in the middle of the night and hang up just to freak you out
[03:31] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: you'll have no ext filesystem goodness
[03:31] <othernoob> nalioth but 6 hours sound a bit long
[03:31] <virgule> crap startmol keep telling me there is no kernel modules - I just followed instructions on the wiki :(
[03:31] <needsomehelp> something kinda tells me its not worth it :)
[03:31] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: you'll have no permissions.  you'll have everything owned by one user, usually root
[03:31] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: what goodness is that?  I already expect that it will forget the rwx status of my files...
[03:31] <nalioth> othernoob: is it still an active process?
[03:31] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: and no journaling
[03:31] <sproingie> and it'll be slow
[03:31] <tiglionabbit> sproingie: can I make it owned by all users?
[03:31] <aserpe> hi.
[03:32] <sproingie> and it'll smell funny
[03:32] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: yes, you can set the umask to 000 and make everything world-writable
[03:32] <othernoob> nalioth: i'm not ripping and encoding anymore, but even on my old computer it didn't take 6 hours.
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> woo, voltaire
[03:32] <aserpe> I'm having a problem installing phpBB from Synaptic Package Manager
[03:32] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: this would be "not recommended"
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> sproingie: hmm, yes
[03:32] <GigaClon> my RealPlayer is broken
[03:32] <aserpe> can anyone help me?
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> can I make it so only desktop users can use it?
[03:32] <tiglionabbit> I mean users with desktop accounts, rather than basic ones
[03:32] <GigaClon> I installed it but everytime I run it nothing happends
[03:33] <nalioth> othernoob: i dont know, i've only ripped a chapter from a dvd (and it took over 6 hours on my G4 ibook)
[03:33] <GigaClon> but the process is still there
[03:33] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: not really.  you can use a group if you want
[03:33] <othernoob> nalioth: it used to take me about 4-5 hours on an amd1333 with 512mb ram for a dvd to divx/xvid
[03:33] <aserpe> Where does the phpbb package install?
[03:33] <tiglionabbit> GigaClon: try using xine or mplayer instead
[03:33] <tiglionabbit> GigaClon: you can get w32codecs from hoary-extras
[03:33] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[03:33] <ubotu> hmm... sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[03:33] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: i'd only use fat32 for interchange, like when you have to have dvd images shared between both OS's
[03:33] <nalioth> othernoob: well my G4 ibook is well under that
[03:33] <needsomehelp> is there any methood faster?
[03:34] <needsomehelp> or is this abut it
[03:34] <nalioth> sproingie: keep the fat32 filesize limit in mind
[03:34] <bob2> aserpe: "dpkg -L phbb" will show you where the files went
[03:34] <sproingie> nalioth: oh yeah.  cd images only i guess
[03:34] <tiglionabbit> sproingie: thing is, I only have 80 gigs on this laptop, and I wanted to install several OSs alongside windows...  but...  where would I put windows' stuff?  It's fat32, but I want to cut down on the space it has all to itself
[03:34] <aserpe> thanks bob2
[03:34] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: dump windows
[03:35] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: linux can read ntfs.  it's just writing it has problems with
[03:35] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: but it's tabletPC edition, and it has some neat ink features linux can't do
[03:35] <tiglionabbit> sproingie: I know about that.  I'm happy with keeping my windows stuff fat32 though
[03:35] <wolki> hi!
[03:36] <GigaClon> what is the fat32 filesize limit?
[03:36] <maggotbrain> sproingie: you can use explore2fs on your win OS. it can read ext2 ext3 partitions.
[03:36] <aserpe> bob2: It looks like it put everything into /usr/share ... but isn't the web server in /var/www???
[03:36] <tiglionabbit> size limit?
[03:36] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: i guess if it works for you.  anyway, i wouldn't recommend putting /home on fat32.  you can always mount the windows partition in a different dir
[03:36] <othernoob> 4 gb i think GigaClon
[03:36] <maggotbrain> that is if you don't need to write to the partition from windows
[03:36] <bob2> aserpe: it will have symlinked it to apache's root, or have addeda config file to apache
[03:36] <sproingie> maggotbrain: there's that, tho i thought there was an actual ext2 fs driver for nt once?
[03:36] <tiglionabbit> I want to write to the partition from windows
[03:37] <tiglionabbit> and linux
[03:37] <maggotbrain> haven't come across one, lately
[03:37] <aserpe> bob2: how do I find it using my browser then?  Where can I find the location for the www.domain.com/foo?
[03:37] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: nothing stops you fom having a fat32 partition somewhere.  i just wouldn't make it /home, that's all
[03:38] <bob2> aserpe: look at the list of files it printed...is there one in /etc/?
[03:38] <tiglionabbit> hm.  I want the advantages that come from having a /home partition, and being able to use it as one place for all my documentsn
[03:38] <bob2> /home/ on fat32 will be bad.  e.g. ssh and gpg will cry.
[03:38] <tiglionabbit> I've got a lot of doodles to organize
[03:38] <tiglionabbit> what would ssh and gpg care about?
[03:38] <aserpe> bob2: yes, several... but I assume you mean /etc/phpbb2/apache.conf?
[03:38] <bob2> file permissions
[03:39] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: security
[03:39] <tiglionabbit> for what reason?  It's just /home, not /
[03:39] <bob2> just have /home/ on ext3 or something, and symlink a from /home/you/data/ to /media/bigfat32drive/
[03:39] <bob2> tiglionabbit: e.g. it makes my private key not be readable to random other people on the machine
[03:39] <sproingie> i guess if you're dead set on it being /home
[03:39] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: i have my OSX partition symlinked into my /home
[03:39] <sproingie> just keep in mind that your ~/.ssh dir will have no protections
[03:39] <derekvance> i got a usb headset, is it compatible? if so, how do i make it work?
[03:39] <sproingie> in fact ssh will refuse to use any of your keys
[03:40] <tiglionabbit> well yeah guys, I have a link in my linux home dir to my windows documents, but still, I want a documents area I can write to by both OSs
[03:40] <tiglionabbit> not just linux
[03:40] <bob2> derekvance: what happens when you plug it in?
[03:40] <bob2> tiglionabbit: so, put your documents on a fat32 partition, easy
[03:40] <derekvance> the status light but no sound
[03:40] <tiglionabbit> bob2: then what's the point of having a home partition?
[03:40] <bob2> derekvance: there won't be any sound automatically
[03:40] <derekvance> yes
[03:41] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: /home is not "my documents readable to the world".  see my note about ssh
[03:41] <bob2> tiglionabbit: huh?  to put user data on, in a way that won't let them overflow / and can be saved over reinstalls of /.
[03:41] <derekvance> is there a way to config it or any apps i can get for it?
[03:41] <tiglionabbit> bob2: You think I should make a home partition that's 100 bytes with just a link to windows or something?  lol
[03:41] <bob2> tiglionabbit: /home/ is for "user data", not for "globally readable porn .avis"
[03:41] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: so your whole family can have their own personal computer all in one box
[03:41] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: i don't know why you're dead set about having it in /home and not, say, /docs
[03:42] <sproingie> but i've said my piece
[03:42] <bob2> tiglionabbit: of course not, read what I said again.  put all your normal stuff (e.g. gnome config, ssh, etc) on /home/you/, and put your documents you want to share in /home/you/data/.
[03:42] <tiglionabbit>   /docs ?
[03:42] <aserpe> bob2:  There's a line here that says "Alias /phpbb /usr/share/phpbb2/site"  Does that mean www.domain.com/phpbb/ is the forum?  and if I want to change it to something like www.domain.com/forum/ that I change that first part of the aliase?
[03:42] <spermie_411> be a valid cursor theme archive.
[03:42] <spermie_411> spermie_411 spermie_411 i get that when trying to install a new mouse theme
[03:42] <bob2> aserpe: yes and yes
[03:42] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: make a subdirectory in your /home to symlink /dev/tigs_windows_partition  to
[03:42] <tiglionabbit> hmm, I guess that's a good idea
[03:42] <bob2> derekvance: I'd assume you'd have to do a fair amount of fiddling
[03:42] <spermie_411> spermie_411 spermie_411 5533-Silver-XCursors-3D-0.4.tar.bz2  <~~ thats what it is
[03:42] <aserpe> bob2: thank you, kudos
[03:42] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: you're aware you can mount any partition to any directory, no?
[03:42] <tiglionabbit> sproingie: yes
[03:42] <phzi> anyone have experience with .asoundrc configuration for use with multiple cards (duplicate stereo)?
[03:42] <phzi> I am trying to get the same stereo output to play across several hardware outputs (3 to be exact)
[03:43] <bob2> phzi: try #alsa or so
[03:43] <phzi> I have
[03:43] <sproingie> mkdir /docs; mount -t fat32  /dev/<whatever> /docs
[03:43] <phzi> bob2: it didn't do me any good
[03:43] <bungopolis> I've manually installed a deb -- it's an older version of the one in the ubuntu repository (but has a feature which is not available in ubuntu's due to licensing),  how can I prevent apt from thinking I need to upgrade to their version?
[03:43] <tiglionabbit> see the thing is, I was thinking of installing gentoo as well, and I thought it would be good to have a central home, instead of 3
[03:43] <bob2> phzi: then try asking on their mailing list
[03:43] <bob2> bungopolis: /msg ubotu hold
[03:43] <derekvance> okey doke well i dont care
[03:44] <bob2> bungopolis: note that aptitude and synaptic will ignore that
[03:44] <bob2> tiglionabbit: that is not incompatible with what anyone has said so far
[03:44] <tiglionabbit> this would probably really screw me up when I download source code and try to 'make' it..  wont it
[03:44] <bob2> tiglionabbit: except that in practice it will probably break
[03:44] <bungopolis> bob2: ubotu: No idea, bungopolis
[03:44] <sproingie> that's my recommended best practice.  i won't waste any more time suggesting or defending it
[03:44] <bob2> tiglionabbit: no, it has nothing to do with that
[03:44] <tiglionabbit> bob2: what then?
[03:45] <aserpe> bob2: I must have missed something... I can't access the phpbb from http://localhost/phpbb
[03:45] <calamari> hi
[03:45] <bob2> bungopolis: echo pkgname hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections
[03:45] <derekvance> i'm bored anyways
[03:45] <bob2> aserpe: ok
[03:45] <aserpe> bob2: do I need to make the links myself?
[03:45] <derekvance> so off to work
[03:45] <bob2> tiglionabbit: what then what?
[03:45] <bob2> aserpe: no
[03:45] <tiglionabbit> bob2: what were you about to say would break things?
[03:45] <pepsix> heh, whats up with not having a Run menu item in the gnome menu and not having a Terminal menu item when you right click on the desktop?  in breezy btw.. yes i know dont use breezy, yes i know its unsupported, no i dont expect it to be fixed any time soon.. just wondering if anyone knows whats up with it
[03:46] <tiglionabbit> pepsix: there is a Run item
[03:46] <bob2> tiglionabbit: sharing /home between random versions of random distros.  gnome 2.2 will be very unhappy if it finds your ubuntu gnome 2.10 settings
[03:46] <wolki> i need to install a newer version of gtk-sharp. can i just compile andinstall it, or do i have to remove the ubuntu version first?
[03:46] <tiglionabbit> pepsix: and there is a terminal menu item
[03:46] <bob2> aserpe: in what sense does it not work?
[03:46] <teferi_> pepsix: i have breezy, and i have both of those things. sorry.
[03:46] <derekvance> notin, o well
[03:46] <mortarhate> can only one app use the soundcard at a time or something?
[03:46] <calamari> I have a switch on my local network at 192.168.0.1.. I've done ifconfig eth0 dhcp netmask 255.255.255.0 up, but I don't seem to be getting an ip address from the router (anther machine is).  I'm thinking I need to do a route add command, but I'm not sure.  Any ideas?
[03:46] <aserpe> in firefox, going to http://localhost/phpbb/ doesn't show a page.
[03:47] <pepsix> interesting
[03:47] <tiglionabbit> bob2: oooh.  So maybe multiple distros with the same home is a bad idea
[03:47] <bob2> mortarhate: in some sense, yes
[03:47] <mortarhate> haha
[03:47] <bob2> tiglionabbit: depends what you're doing
[03:47] <mortarhate> isn't that a little retarded
[03:47] <pepsix> both of my breezy installs lack those things
[03:47] <bob2> calamari: switches don't have ips
[03:47] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: better idea is a bigger hard drive
[03:47] <calamari> bob2: router, with built in switch.. sorry :)
[03:47] <mortarhate> when im listening to music all other sound stops, then the second the music stops all the sound that would of played when the music is going, plays all at once
[03:47] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: it's a laptop, so that's not an option
[03:47] <aserpe> bob2: The requested URL /phpbb/ was not found on this server.
[03:47] <sproingie> calamari: you don't need to specify a netmask for dhcp, it's automatic
[03:47] <bob2> mortarhate: so, get all your apps to use esd
[03:48] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: sure it is, hitachi just released 100gb models
[03:48] <mortarhate> esd?
[03:48] <bob2> aserpe: perhaps you need to configure apache2 to know about it then
[03:48] <calamari> sproingie: I tried it both ways actually
[03:48] <mortarhate> this is going to be a pain int he ass isn't it
[03:48] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: unless I wanted to buy the one you plug in where the cdrom drive goes, but uh...
[03:48] <bob2> calamari: I'm pretty sure ifconfig has no knowledge of dhcp
[03:48] <aserpe> bob2:  more looking in etc?
[03:48] <sproingie> calamari: i always put it in /etc/network/interfaces and use ifup and ifdown
[03:48] <bob2> calamari: just setup /etc/network/interfaces correctly
[03:49] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: i replaced the HD in this ibook
[03:49] <wolki> mortathate: it depends
[03:49] <crouton> howdy folks
[03:49] <calamari> woo that file is complicated
[03:49] <nybble> yo
[03:49] <wolki> what apps do you have that use sound?
[03:49] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: hmm, maybe I do want a /docs partition...
[03:49] <tiglionabbit> I don't want my config files getting confused
[03:49] <nybble> naalioth: so i guess there isnt a point in upgrading...
[03:49] <mortarhate> kopete, mplayer
[03:49] <sproingie> the lightbulb lights
[03:49] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: very wise
[03:49] <mortarhate> thats usually the most i run
[03:49] <mortarhate> (that need sound)
[03:49] <wolki> mortarhate, kde or gnome?
[03:49] <mortarhate> kde
[03:49] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: any problem with making my /docs partition fat32 then?
[03:50] <mortarhate> kubuntu ;)
[03:50] <nalioth> nybble: discussion is good
[03:50] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: and does anything automount one of those anywhere?
[03:50] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: it's the only thing that both OS's will read and write painlessly
[03:50] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: that sounds like a plan
[03:50] <crouton> anybody know the syntax to mount a filesystem without error checking?
[03:50] <wolki> mortarhate, then it's arts instead of esd
[03:50] <wolki> kopete should do this automatically
[03:50] <mortarhate> well why doesn't it let several apps use the sound card at once?
[03:50] <wolki> you might have to activate sound server in your kde settings
[03:50] <sproingie> calamari: it's not.  mine was set up when i installed, and i bet gnome has a configurator for it
[03:50] <bob2> crouton: depends what you mean by "without error checking"
[03:51] <mortarhate> gay /:
[03:51] <bob2> crouton: if you mean "without having the kernel notice that the filesystem is screwed", then, no, that's a terrible idea
[03:51] <crouton> bob2: Got an ext3 filesystem complaining about bad superblocks, can't get around it.
[03:51] <sproingie> calamari: creating a dhcp enabled interface by hand is super easy, it's even documented right in the comments in /etc/network/interface
[03:51] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: you can add it to your fstab
[03:51] <aserpe> bob2: is /var/www where you should be putting files in ubuntu for web serving?
[03:51] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: alright
[03:51] <wolki> and in the programs you have to set sound output to arts
[03:51] <bob2> crouton: fsck it
[03:51] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: was just wondering if linux had a place to put it already, so I didn't double-mount things
[03:51] <crouton> bob2:  fails.
[03:52] <wolki> normal alsa can't have multiple sound on all sound cards
[03:52] <tiglionabbit> thank you guys
[03:52] <bob2> crouton: you're pretty screwed then, unfortuantely
[03:52] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: /etc/fstab is where you put "permanent" mounts
[03:52] <bob2> aserpe: yes, but you don't want to put phpbb there
[03:52] <calamari> sproingie: the gnome configurator makes my ppp0 stop working
[03:52] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: nope, its all you
[03:52] <crouton> bob2: if I dd the drive to another drive, can I recover from that image?
[03:52] <wolki> a sound server goes between the apps and the card and distributes ist so that you can have multiple cards at once
[03:52] <bob2> crouton: I'd be surprised if that helps
[03:53] <bob2> crouton: it sounds like, in addition to whatever physical problems the drive has, it has already trashed some crucial bits of the filesystem
[03:53] <sproingie> calamari: huh.  sucks ... dunno, i use kde and only one interface, so i'm about as far removed as you can get from your setup
[03:53] <wolki> i use gnome so i can't gibe you a step by step explanation, but it should be really easy
[03:53] <mortarhate> thats ok
[03:53] <aserpe> bob2: do you think restarting apache would help?  I used the synaptic conf-mysql to configure phpbb and maybe apache needs a restart to see the links?
[03:53] <mortarhate> i'm willing to live with it
[03:53] <calamari> sproingie: thats okay, thanks for your help :)
[03:53] <mortarhate> this is the least of my problems as of now
[03:53] <mortarhate> linux is a pain in the ass
[03:54] <mortarhate> im suprised people actually get work done on it
[03:54] <bob2> aserpe: maybe
[03:54] <mortarhate> configuring, editing, recompiling, etc
[03:54] <wolki> mortarhate, dont worry you should get it to work. open your kde control panel
[03:54] <mortarhate> i already did
[03:54] <wolki> then the sound part of it
[03:54] <mortarhate> the only sound stuff in there says "enable sound system"
[03:54] <wolki> exactly
[03:54] <mortarhate> and network sound... etc.
[03:54] <sproingie> mortarhate: no one actually gets work done, see..
[03:54] <wolki> enable it
[03:54] <aserpe> bob2: what command would restart apache?
[03:54] <mortarhate> well that was already activated
[03:55] <bob2> aserpe: sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 restart
[03:55] <mortarhate> how else would i have any sound
[03:55] <wolki> ok
[03:55] <wolki> you would
[03:55] <mortarhate> right now i'm listening to a song, so all other noise is halted
[03:55] <mortarhate> the second my song stops
[03:55] <sproingie> terrible secret, i'd probably use windows more for devel if the filesystem werent so awful
[03:55] <mortarhate> everything from kopete plays
[03:55] <wolki> then open mplayer
[03:55] <mortarhate> heh
[03:55] <wolki> open preferences
[03:55] <sproingie> that and i hate not being able to drag windows with alt-LMB
[03:55] <wolki> goto sound
[03:55] <mortarhate> mplayer-nogui ;)
[03:55] <aserpe> bob2: no joy
[03:55] <nalioth> !info make-jpkg
[03:55] <wolki> oh
[03:55] <crouton> bob2: power failure.  i think the files might still be there.
[03:55] <mortarhate> nm
[03:55] <mortarhate> it's no big deal
[03:55] <kbrooks> sproingie, explain what you mean by the fs in windows
[03:56] <tiglionabbit> sproingie: what would you need from windows for development?
[03:56] <sproingie> kbrooks: dreadfully awfully slow
[03:56] <wolki> well, do you have a kde media player installed, like juk or noatun?
[03:56] <mortarhate> yea
[03:56] <tiglionabbit> sproingie: isn't it enough to have emacs, vim, and gcc ?
[03:56] <kbrooks> sproingie, slow?!?
[03:56] <bob2> crouton: then you'll need to convince fsck to unscrew it
[03:56] <The_Vox> mortarhate: edit ~/.mplayer/options and change the ao to arts if you are in kde
[03:56] <bluefoxicy> fuckin breezy
[03:56] <mortarhate> but i like to bee 1337 and use the cli ;D
[03:56] <bob2> crouton: try telling it to use an alternate superblock
[03:56] <kbrooks> bluefoxicy, /topic
[03:56] <kbrooks> !topic
[03:56] <mortarhate> hehe
[03:56] <kbrooks> oh
[03:56] <bob2> bluefoxicy: code of conduct, please
[03:56] <wolki> try playing your song in one of them, since they're kde the should default to using arts
[03:56] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: i have a full toolchain on windows, as well as bash.  it's glacially slow compared to the same on linux
[03:57] <tiglionabbit> toolchain?
[03:57] <SDFH_Linux> how stable is breezy?
[03:57] <aserpe> bob2: I'm befuddled
[03:57] <kbrooks> sproingie, 'glacially'?
[03:57] <mortarhate> it doesnt matter that much
[03:57] <sproingie> tiglionabbit: toolchain: all the stuff needed for development
[03:57] <crouton> bob2: already tried, they're all invalid.
[03:57] <bluefoxicy> SDFH_Linux:  I wouldn't recommend using breezy unless you're ready for breakage.
[03:57] <tiglionabbit> sproingie: oh, the unix base
[03:57] <SDFH_Linux> k
[03:57] <bob2> crouton: time to get your backups out, I guess, unfortunately
[03:58] <SDFH_Linux> is there any other repos for ubuntu
[03:58] <sproingie> kbrooks: rmdir /s/q a big directory in windows.  now rm -rf in unix.  windows will be grinding away 10 minutes later
[03:58] <bob2> SDFH_Linux: it's best to just use the ubuntu repositories
[03:58] <SDFH_Linux> other than the ones that you can uncomment
[03:58] <nalioth> SDFH_Linux: if you have an extra box around, put breezy on THAT one
[03:58] <dylan_> how to install java without using the .BIN file from java.com?
[03:58] <bluefoxicy> SDFH_Linux:  Though it seems to work mostly now, unlike last month when it broke in several places each day.  I'm still trying to get hal (insert USB stick, it gets mounted) to work right. . .
[03:58] <sproingie> and i'm even being charitable to windows.  use the gui to do it and you bring the box to its knees
[03:58] <bungopolis> i am using gconf-editor -- I've found a directory I want to delete, how can I do it?
[03:58] <bob2> dylan_: why are you opposed to using it?
[03:58] <bluefoxicy> SDFH_Linux:  I'm expecting it to break horridly again one of these days though :)
[03:58] <aserpe> bob2: am I supposed to put the apache.conf from /etc/phpbb2 into /etc/apache2?
[03:58] <nalioth> your welcome, dylan_
[03:58] <dylan_> i cant figure it out.
[03:58] <bob2> aserpe: dont think so
[03:58] <SDFH_Linux> yikes i stay away from breezy then
[03:59] <SDFH_Linux> for now
[03:59] <dylan_> nalioth, got kicked off #apple
[03:59] <bob2> "you're"
[03:59] <bluefoxicy> SDFH_Linux:  Yaeh, use hoary :)  When breezy gets released in october it'll own.
[03:59] <nalioth> dylan_: ok
[03:59] <SDFH_Linux> i put hoary on my laptop after having debian on there
[03:59] <SDFH_Linux> so far so good
[03:59] <crouton> bob2: unfortunately, this disk *was* the backup.  source disk was a deathstar.
[04:00] <SDFH_Linux> so guys just use the ubuntu repos then
[04:00] <bob2> aserpe: I'd just add the alias line to apache2.conf, I suppose
[04:00] <bob2> crouton: ouch
[04:00] <tkiesel> Hi everyone. Is Firefox not in the official repos anymore?
[04:00] <hanasaki> hi all. is there a console mouse driver like gpm?
[04:00] <tim_> hello
[04:00] <aserpe> bob2:  so I have this file called /etc/phpbb2/apache.conf
[04:00] <aserpe> bob2: line where?
[04:00] <dylan_> i read the instructions on java.com for installing it and at the last instruction to type ls i get nothing
[04:01] <tim_> anyone can help me with installing packages?
[04:01] <bob2> aserpe: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[04:01] <bob2> hanasaki: yes, gpm.
[04:01] <hanasaki> hmmm
[04:01] <aserpe> bob2: ok, I'll try.
[04:01] <bob2> dylan_: wiki.ubuntu.com/Java, use the make-jpkg one
[04:01] <bungopolis> I want to remove the settings of a program in my gconf -- I tried deleting ~/.gconf/apps/<prog> but I still see the entry in gconf-editor
[04:01] <bonggnu> hi
[04:02] <tkiesel> I'm trying to re-install Firefox with apt-get and not having much luck
[04:02] <hanasaki> bob2,  not in apt-get or cache or apt-get install gpm .. i am on hoary.
[04:02] <kbrooks> tkiesel, warty?
[04:02] <tkiesel> kbrooks: Hoary
[04:02] <dylan_> ok thanks bob2 and nalioth
[04:02] <bob2> hanasaki: well, it's available, perhaps you forgot to enable universe?
[04:02] <bob2> bungopolis: I don't think that's going to do anything useful
[04:02] <GigaClon> tim_ !synaptic
[04:02] <hanasaki> bob2,  i am new.. bet you are correct.. what is universe and how do i enable it?
[04:02] <bonggnu> anyone has S3 unichrome video chipset?
[04:02] <bob2> hanasaki: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:02] <GigaClon> !repositories
[04:02] <ubotu> from memory, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:02] <hanasaki> <= trying ubuntu.. i am a deb guy.. for now
[04:03] <dylan_> ok wiki.ubuntu.com/java does not work
[04:03] <aserpe> bob2: Let me be clear.  Add the line "Alias /phpbb /usr/share/phpbb2/site" to /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[04:03] <bob2> bonggnu: lots of people do, it's kinda nasty, and I don't believe there's DRI support in stock ubuntu
[04:03] <bob2> dylan_: it works for lots of people, though
[04:03] <bob2> aserpe: yes
[04:03] <nalioth> dylan_: you'll need to follow the dog
[04:03] <bob2> aserpe: assuming you have php working in general
[04:03] <tim_> how do i make the text bigger in this chat window i can barely read it?
[04:03] <SDFH_Linux> is it safe to use firefox 1.0.4 i am running 1.0.2 right now
[04:03] <bonggnu> ok, thnks
[04:03] <tkiesel> kbrooks: Coudl you see if you could do an sudo apt-get --reinstall install firefox
[04:03] <aserpe> bob2: php is working
[04:03] <kbrooks> SDFH_Linux, warty?
[04:04] <bob2> tkiesel: the package is mozilla-firefox
[04:04] <tkiesel> It tells me that mozilla-firefox cannot be downloaded.
[04:04] <dylan_> ok bob2 it was just not upper case J in Java
[04:04] <bob2> dylan_: yes
[04:04] <tkiesel> bob2: You're right. Typo on my part.
[04:04] <kbrooks> SDFH_Linux, don't worry -- 1.0.4 has security fixes
[04:04] <SDFH_Linux> there is a selection for firefox 1.04 in hoary
[04:04] <bungopolis> bob2 -- I dont understand how to edit the gconf registry -- why cant I delete directories?
[04:04] <tkiesel> bob2: Says that mozilla-firefox cannot be downloaded.
[04:04] <bob2> bungopolis: why can't I insert nails into my ears?
[04:04] <SDFH_Linux> latest stable kernel is 2.6.10 -686
[04:04] <SDFH_Linux> right?
[04:04] <bungopolis> what the hell does that mean?
[04:04] <bob2> bungopolis: that's not how it works.  just use gnome-editor
[04:05] <bob2> er, gconf-editor.
[04:05] <bungopolis> I am using gconf-editor
[04:05] <kbrooks> bungopolis, Non-empty directories can't be deleted without rm -rf
[04:05] <bungopolis> that's what I'm talking about
[04:05] <bob2> tkiesel: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[04:05] <bungopolis> i know how to delete directories, kbrooks, I dont understand how GNOME works
[04:05] <bungopolis> gconf-editor does not let you delete keys or directories
[04:05] <dylan_> how do i add the ubuntu.tower-net.de repository
[04:05] <bungopolis> it only allows you to "unset" certain keys
[04:05] <bonggnu> i have troubles with cd record, ubuntu, use ide-cd o ide-scsi ? i have problems cdrecord error 255
[04:05] <nalioth> dylan_: same way you added the others
[04:06] <bob2> bonggnu: ide-cd
[04:06] <bob2> bungopolis: some keys don't have defaults
[04:06] <aserpe> bob2: yah!  working.  Kudos again!
[04:06] <hanasaki> hmm universe is community maintained.. is that safe?
[04:06] <pepsix> of course not
[04:06] <kbrooks> it is
[04:07] <hanasaki> nice guys.. thanks.. lol  which is it
[04:07] <sproingie> the core distro's created by a community too.  it just gets extra work by the folks at canonical
[04:07] <pepsix> :)
[04:07] <kbrooks> it is safe
[04:07] <nalioth> kbrooks: ping
[04:07] <hanasaki> pepsix,  driving off new users? someone kick him
[04:07] <tkiesel> bob2: There you go.
[04:07] <bungopolis> bob2 -- I installed an application (mail-notification), and have now removed it as I don't want it. When I look, with gconf-editor, at my gnome registry, I can see two directories /apps/mail-notification and /schemas/apps/mail-notification which I want to remove, becuase I dont want to have any settings defined for this application I no longer have
[04:07] <pepsix> eat my ass hanasaki
[04:07] <hanasaki> lol
[04:07] <kbrooks> pong
[04:07] <tkiesel> Same deal on two different Hoary boxes I use.
[04:07] <hanasaki> fight fight
[04:08] <bungopolis> bob2 it reminds me of windows -- programs settings seem to drift around forever
[04:08] <bungopolis> cluttering up my configuration
[04:08] <kbrooks> nalioth, uh. hanasaki is asking if universe is safe
[04:09] <kbrooks> pepsix, is saying no
[04:09] <kbrooks> i say yes
[04:09] <nalioth> hanasaki: yes universe is safe
[04:09] <hanasaki> nalioth,  u a maintainer?
[04:09] <hanasaki> nalioth,  pepsix  also offered me a dirty snack
[04:09] <pepsix> how is it safe?
[04:09] <bob2> bungopolis: that seems fairly silly
[04:09] <kbrooks> hanasaki, no, but he knows a lot about ubuntu
[04:09] <nalioth> hanasaki: don't use marillat, they are very out of date
[04:09] <bungopolis> bob2: why?
[04:09] <Wa77z> i installed xmmms, and made it default plaer for my mp3's but yet it isnt
[04:10] <pepsix> is there a security team checking every single line of code submitted to universe?
[04:10] <nalioth> hanasaki: so i saw, and he didnt offer any to the rest of us
[04:10] <sproingie> pepsix: is there one for main?
[04:10] <bob2> bungopolis: meh, the "like windows" things annoys me.  if you really want to remove it, go ask on the gconf list.  or just ignore it.
[04:10] <pepsix> doubt it
[04:10] <bob2> pepsix: of coursee not
[04:10] <bob2> pepsix: there isn't one for any section of any distribution
[04:10] <pepsix> ok
[04:10] <hanasaki> where, in synaptic, is the opotion to actually od the install of what was selected?
[04:11] <hanasaki> ah.. apply
[04:11] <hanasaki> sorry
[04:11] <pepsix> so how is anything safe then? its only as trustworthy as the people working on it
[04:11] <bungopolis> bob2: so you're asserting that it is perfectly logical for applications that no longer exist on a system to retain conifiguration settings indefinitely?
[04:11] <nalioth> pepsix: so use gentoo or linux-from-scratch, where you can examine each line of code
[04:11] <bob2> bungopolis: I'm saying that it's a terribly tiny detail, and that there's no way for gconf to know if an application is installed or not.
[04:11] <bob2> bungopolis: yes there should be a way to get rid of it, and there probably is, I just don't know it.
[04:11] <ReleaseX> anyone here use a  brother printer?
[04:11] <sproingie> nalioth: openbsd might be a more reasonable choice
[04:12] <bob2> tkiesel: do not /msg people
[04:12] <bungopolis> bob2: thanks
[04:12] <bonggnu> when i try to record an cd , cd record cannot /usr/bin/cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '1,0,0'.
[04:12] <hanasaki> how in xorg and ubuntu do i get my 2nd monitor to work?  its a single gforce 5700 w/ two outputs
[04:12] <bob2> using backports is silly, too, but at least you have it commented out
[04:12] <bpuccio> ReleaseX: I do and I just got one for my girlfriend
[04:12] <nalioth> sproingie: well, with gentoo or lfs, he can examine the source b4 he compiles it
[04:12] <bob2> tkiesel: paste the output of 'apt-cache policy mozilla-firefox'
[04:12] <nalioth> sproingie: i think a little more easily
[04:12] <ReleaseX> bpuccio, which model?
[04:13] <sproingie> nalioth: yeah but can he trust the compiler he's compiling the compiler with?
[04:13] <bob2> tkiesel: bah
[04:13] <bob2> you get to keep both pieces now
[04:13] <nalioth> sproingie: he can if he double blindly compiles his compiler (i think i said that right)
[04:14] <bob2> tkiesel: you're continuing to /msg me, and you're using the "backports" version of firefox
[04:14] <bpuccio> I have the HL-5050 (for some reason there are no settings with respect to the second paper tray, so it just sits there, but I really don't have a use for it) and my girlfriend has a HL-2040
[04:14] <bob2> tkiesel: sudo apt-get --reinstall install mozilla-firefox=1.0.2-0ubuntu5.3 0
[04:15] <sproingie> i dont suppose anyone's gotten a xerox workcentre 385 printer working on linux, have they?
[04:15] <bpuccio> when installing the HL-2040, that specific model wasn't listed in the printer setup, so I picked a very similar model, I can tell you which one exactly when she gets home in 10 more minutes, and it works just fine
[04:15] <othernoob> ReleaseX: i have the HL 2030
[04:15] <tkiesel> bob2: Thank you.
[04:15] <bpuccio> ReleaseX: for the most part, they work just fine, no complaints (other then my second paper tray issue, but I must admit I haven't looked in to it really and it doesn't bother me at all)
[04:15] <othernoob> bpuccio: afaik there are official linux drivers for all brother printers.
[04:16] <ReleaseX> bpuccio, othernoob, are either of those network printers?
[04:16] <bpuccio> othernoob: yup, brother even included them on CD, I installed the PPD when setting up mine, but I was too lazy to do so on hers (I guess I'm a horribly boyfriend)
[04:16] <othernoob> ReleaseX: the HL-2030 isn't. neither is the HL-2040, but the HL-2060 is IIRC
[04:16] <Wa77z> i have too many problems, i dont know wher to start
[04:17] <othernoob> bpuccio: brother included the linux drivers on your cd? damn bastards
[04:17] <othernoob> they weren't on mine :/
[04:17] <bpuccio> ReleaseX: mine is, it's sitting on a seperate computer which acts as a file/print server, so the printer in and of itself isn't a network printer, but it is shared over the network, though I don't think that's what you wanted
[04:17] <Strife> does GNOME try to force a gtk look and feel on Java applications, or is that just Debian in general?
[04:17] <abarbaccia_away> hey guys - i need your help with stupid sudo being annoying: it wont let me execute this command as is- i gotta be at a root term first then it'll let me
[04:17] <abarbaccia_away> $  sudo echo "modprobe lirc_i2c" > /etc/init.d/ivtv
[04:17] <kbrooks> no, and no
[04:17] <wolki> Wa77z, start somewhere
[04:18] <bpuccio> othernoob: I was surprised, I only noticed after I downloaded them from their site and was only then looking through the manal and at the CDs, I tend to ignore them on hardware purchases since they are almost always written for windows users only, I was very surprised
[04:18] <Strife> kbrooks: if that was in response to my question, then why is a java app I'm running right now doing a shitty job of looking like a GTK app? :P
[04:18] <Aegir^> Strife, I thought that was just how Java apps looked =/
[04:18] <Wa77z> ok, well first thing is my sound only works with mp3's, and its broken on system sounds
[04:18] <stevenj> Gftp has never been a problem to install before- I am getting "W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gftp/gftp-text_2.0.18-2_i386.deb MD5Sum mismatch"   Can someone please help
[04:18] <sproingie> abarbaccia_away: sudo is only running the part before the >
[04:18] <nalioth> !usrepos
[04:18] <ubotu> methinks usrepos is if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:18] <ReleaseX> well i have the mfc-420cn and it's plugged into my router, just wondering if anyone had any luck getting it to work from their linux box
[04:18] <sproingie> abarbaccia_away: redirect the output to a file in a directory you can write to
[04:18] <Strife> Aegir^: no, they don't look as crappy usually
[04:18] <nalioth> stevenj: read what ubotu said about usrepos
[04:18] <bob2> abarbaccia_away: that's you not using sudo correctly, not a sudo problem.  echo modprobe lirc_i2c | sudo tee -a /etc/init.d/ivtv
[04:19] <othernoob> ReleaseX: have you checked www.linuxprinting.org yet?
[04:19] <Aegir^> Strife, Ahhh :)
[04:19] <bob2> abarbaccia_away: also, shouldn't that module just be loaded in /etc/modules?
[04:19] <bpuccio> ReleaseX: sorry, no, wish I could help you there
[04:19] <hanasaki> how do i get the dual head system to work in ubuntu with a two port gforce card?
[04:19] <Aegir^> Strife, I havent experimented with Java under Ubuntu yet
[04:19] <stevenj> I get the repo list from Ubuntu guide. :(
[04:19] <wolki> Wa77z, what do you mean only works with mp3s? ggonme or kde? which player?
[04:19] <bob2> hanasaki: same as you would any other linux system
[04:19] <Strife> Aegir^: yeah, well Debian does the same thing... I'm really willing to wager it's actually a GNOME thing
[04:19] <hanasaki> bob.. not sure.. do i downlaod and install the nvidia driver from nvidia?
[04:19] <nalioth> stevenj: dont use the ubuntuguide
[04:20] <Strife> I'm going to start up xnest and try it in E17
[04:20] <hanasaki> hmm bob2  i know you from the #debian?
[04:20] <nalioth> stevenj: it can lead you into evil
[04:20] <bob2> stevenj: the "ubuntu guide" has some interesting ideas abotu a default repository set, but thats not the problem here; us.archive.ubuntu.com used to work, but has been a bit flakey for the past few weeks.
[04:20] <bob2> hanasaki: yes
[04:20] <bob2> hanasaki: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:20] <hanasaki> bob2,  ah.. cool.. you switch to ubuntu?
[04:20] <bob2> hanasaki: no, I use both
[04:20] <hanasaki> ah
[04:21] <abarbaccia_away> bob2, thanks man - i dont know if it will or not
[04:21] <hanasaki> can i ask.. bob2  what do you find as the pro/con for each?
[04:21] <abarbaccia_away> bob2, if i installed it i'm pretty sure it doesnt load them at boot
[04:21] <Wa77z> well, it works with gnome so far, i havent installed kde yet, for example on gaim, if someone IM's me i will hear a little static, and if i go to sounds in my gaim pref., and test sounds, the sounds only work after i hit the button ten times in a row, but if i play a song,(mp3), it will play fine
[04:21] <hondje> http://www.hondje.net/~hondje/bad.jpg <--- what pkg is that from?
[04:21] <sproingie> do you LIKE to load it?
[04:22] <sproingie> i see there's no button for "no, i don't really enjoy it"
[04:22] <wolki> Wa77z, which mp3 player do you use?
[04:22] <bob2> hanasaki: fixed release cycle is good, small arch selection is bad
[04:22] <hondje> gnome settings daemon?
[04:22] <stevenj> so can someone please then tell where to get a good repo list with everything on it Except BP :) thanks
[04:22] <Wa77z> i am using Totem PLaer
[04:22] <goldfish> wolki: bmp
[04:22] <Wa77z> player**
[04:22] <bob2> stevenj: you already have it, /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:23] <bob2> stevenj: that has all the official ubuntu ones
[04:23] <Wa77z> i installed xmms but it dont work as of yet, and yes i made it default
[04:23] <wolki> Wa77z, thats interesting because if it works in totem it should work in gnome
[04:23] <stevenj> bob2, well I usually add unvi and multi-in any case all I have to do is take the us off all of them?
[04:23] <Wa77z> ya -  it should - but it dont = P
[04:23] <wolki> Wa77z, if xmms doesn't work, you have to set it to use esd
[04:23] <cafuego> bob2: HT working ok now, with APCI on :-)
[04:23] <bob2> stevenj: yes
[04:23] <stevenj> bob2, thanks
[04:23] <bob2> cafuego: ah, cool...any faster?
[04:24] <Strife> for anyone who cares... it IS GNOME that's trying to force on a fake GTK-looking theme on java apps
[04:24] <Strife> because it uses the normal look and feel in fluxbox
[04:24] <Wa77z> i dont know how to set it to default -  i thought i did it with one of the commands from the ubuntu guide
[04:24] <wolki> Wa77z, one moment please i'll install xmms so i can help you
[04:24] <aserpe> bob2:  Now that phpbb is installed, I can't log in as phpbb as admin... I can't find where the admin password is stored.  Is there a standard admin password for phpbb?
[04:24] <Wa77z> ok - thanks a lot
[04:24] <bob2> aserpe: I dont use php things, so I don't know, sorry
[04:24] <GigaClon> xmms is broken for me
[04:25] <GigaClon> I presss the play button and it freezes
[04:25] <kbrooks> aserpe, third party?
[04:25] <aserpe> bob2: ok, thanks for all your help before. :-)
[04:25] <GigaClon> rhythmbox works fine
[04:25] <aserpe> kbrooks: no
[04:25] <Velcan> Just looking for opinions here not an answer :D ... Whats everyones favorite music player? And does one exist that can be removed to the systray so that it doesn't have to take up space on my window list ...
[04:25] <wolki> Wa77z, start xmms from the menu or the command line
[04:25] <bob2> GigaClon: open the preferences, change the output plugin to esound
[04:25] <bob2> Velcan: cplay
[04:25] <aserpe> kbrooks: it's phpbb from synaptic package manager
[04:25] <bob2> Velcan: if you don't want it in the window list, just put it in a different virtual desktop
[04:25] <Wa77z> kk, im tryin, my comp is goin really slow
[04:26] <wolki> Wa77z, then - without playing - immediately go to options->preferences
[04:26] <Velcan> yea i suppose so but sys tray would still be nice for easier accesibility
[04:26] <wolki> Wa77z, then in the Output plugin section change OSS to ESD
[04:26] <Wa77z> can you type a command to exit out of an App. Xmms is not responding
[04:26] <aserpe> anyone familiar with the phpbb install for ubuntu?
[04:27] <Wa77z> wolki, h/o p
[04:27] <Velcan> call me trendy but im also looking for something witha  nice look n' feel to it as well
[04:27] <Wa77z> h/o one sec**
[04:27] <wolki> Velcan: try muine
[04:27] <teferi_> hey, everybody congratulate debian, xorg is finally in unstable :)
[04:27] <bob2> aserpe: you read the documentation, right?
[04:27] <Velcan> 'muine' it's called?
[04:27] <nalioth> Velcan: rhythmbox fits your criteria
[04:27] <wolki> Wa77z, Alt-F2, then enter "xkill"
[04:27] <bimberi> Velcan: Rhythmbox works nicely with the Notification Area of the Gnome Panel
[04:27] <aserpe> bob2: can't find it
[04:28] <Wa77z> alright, man , this shouldnt be happneing
[04:28] <bob2> aserpe: er, /usr/share/doc/phpbb/
[04:28] <wolki> Velcan: can be put into the tray only, and has quite a nice, innovative interface
[04:28] <kbrooks> teferi_, no!
[04:28] <teferi_> kbrooks: yes!
[04:28] <teferi_> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/07/msg00683.html
[04:28] <Wa77z> ok, all i have open is xchat
[04:28] <wolki> Velcan: it's library-based though
[04:28] <Wa77z> nvm
[04:29] <aserpe> bob2: THANKS!!!
[04:29] <aserpe> bob2:  I feel like someone just turned on the sun.
[04:29] <Velcan> cool ill check it out
[04:29] <Wa77z> SOB, i think i am gonna have to restart
[04:29] <teferi_> aserpe: in general, if your package is called foo, there will be docs in /usr/share/doc/foo
[04:29] <wolki> Wa77z, then after xkill you get crosshairs as a mouse cursor. click on the window and away it goes
[04:29] <Wa77z> ya it didnt go away
[04:29] <aserpe> yah for ubuntu!!!
[04:29] <wolki> Velcan: it's in universe
[04:29] <GigaClon> is there a way to bypass esd without killing it?
[04:30] <teferi_> esdctl standbymode
[04:30] <Tim_> hello all
[04:30] <teferi_> er
[04:30] <teferi_> esdctl off?
[04:30] <teferi_> man esdctl
[04:30] <Tim_> Anyone here who can help me install accessability package for ubuntu gnome x environment?
[04:31] <GigaClon> is there a way a program could detect esd and turn it off if it was running and turn it on again when the program quit
[04:31] <GigaClon> Tim_ just use synaptic
[04:31] <GigaClon> !synaptic
[04:31] <Velcan> looks like it must have been installed by default
[04:31] <ubotu> [synaptic]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[04:31] <aserpe> Yah, this is much easier!!!
[04:31] <crouton> general question: is there a way to rewrite filesystem information without overwriting the filesystem entirely?
[04:31] <Tim_> where do I find that in the x enfironment?
[04:32] <kbrooks> Razor-X,
[04:32] <kbrooks> !ubuntuguide
[04:32] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[04:32] <Velcan> nice
[04:33] <thr1ce> crouton, suppose it depends on which file system you're looking to change to/from
[04:33] <Velcan> anyone know of any websites with a decent listing of radio stations that will work with this option i see in rythymbox
[04:34] <crouton> thr1ce: just want to see if i can overwrite bad superblock info on an ext3 partition.
[04:34] <crouton> without blowing away the files I suspect are still there.
[04:34] <thr1ce> crouton, yikes...maybe creating another ext3, copying those files over, then mkreiserfs the rest?
[04:34] <thr1ce> (which will format of course)
[04:34] <Velcan> and does anyone know if rythymbox is compatible with any of the stations winamp uses?
[04:35] <thr1ce> Velcan, google is your friend :)
[04:35] <crouton> thr1ce: yeah, that's the problem. filesystem can't mount.
[04:35] <Velcan> :)
[04:35] <nalioth> Velcan: yes it plays streams
[04:35] <teferi_> crouton: use the backup superblock, luke
[04:36] <teferi_> crouton: there's a backup every 8192 blocks
[04:36] <Tim_> which should I download the amd64 or i386?
[04:36] <Velcan> excelent
[04:36] <Tarcastil> wow, apt-get = happiness
[04:36] <thr1ce> Tim_, what type of processor do you have...
[04:36] <crouton> teferi_: all bad
[04:36] <teferi_> crouton: ALL of them?!
[04:36] <teferi_> crouton: wtf did you do to your disk?
[04:36] <crouton> teferi_: power outage.
[04:36] <crouton> while mounted.
[04:36] <nalioth_wrkn> Tim_: for usability i recommand x86, if you like to tinker, amd64
[04:36] <thr1ce> shoulda used reiserfs...
[04:36] <teferi_> crouton: er, wait, what block size were you using?
[04:36] <Tim_> Uhhh it's ina compaq pressario desktop if that helps any.
[04:37] <teferi_>  For  filesystems  with  1k  blocksizes,  a   backup
[04:37] <teferi_>               superblock  can  be found at block 8193; for filesystems with 2k
[04:37] <teferi_>               blocksizes, at block 16384; and  for  4k  blocksizes,  at  block
[04:37] <teferi_>               32768.
[04:37] <crouton> teferi_: default
[04:37] <thr1ce> Tim_, do you have a 64 bit chip?
[04:37] <Tim_> That I am not sure about.
[04:37] <thr1ce> Tim_, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[04:37] <thr1ce> wha'ts the...modelname?
[04:37] <teferi_> crouton: hm, default varies with the size of the filesystem
[04:37] <bonggnu> i have troubles with cdrecord, can could be help me?
[04:37] <crouton> "32768, 98304, 163840, 229376, 294912, 819200"
[04:38] <teferi_> crouton: well, in the meantime, try at 16384 and 32768.
[04:38] <crouton> those are some of the backup superblocks. all bad.
[04:38] <teferi_> hm
[04:38] <teferi_> you may be hosed
[04:38] <crouton> teferi_: yeah.
[04:39] <teferi_> crouton: well, if you have a lot of patience, look in kernel headers to get the e2fs inode layout and go through your disk with a hex editor
[04:39] <Tim_> AMD Duron
[04:39] <thr1ce> Tim_, ok, use x86
[04:39] <teferi_> crouton: i expect that to be extreme pain
[04:39] <crouton> teferi_: whoa...
[04:39] <Tim_> Ok, now after I download it then how do I install it.
[04:40] <teferi_> crouton: well, got a better idea, with no superblocks left?
[04:40] <teferi_> crouton: humor me and try looking for one at 16384; that's not on the list you tried
[04:40] <crouton> teferi_: praying?
[04:40] <crouton> hmm. says unexpected fileblock size.
[04:40] <thr1ce> Tim_, burn to a CD, boot from it in the cd-rom, follow the instructions
[04:40] <thr1ce> did you test the disc with hdparm ?
[04:40] <teferi_> well, that's different :P
[04:41] <crouton> aye
[04:41] <Tim_> Ok I'm downloading gnopernicus
[04:41] <thr1ce> gnopernicus?
[04:41] <newbie> hi what minimal space to install ubuntu ?? 1 Gb is enough ?
[04:41] <Wa77z> hey yall, I am experienceing a weird mouse problem, to get my mouse to work, ( meaning able to move it) i have to unplug it and plug it back in while my comp is on , any ideas ?
[04:41] <Tim_> Yeah I got ubuntu installed but need to install this for the screen reader package.
[04:41] <thr1ce> newbie, um...i'd say 2 (i seem to remember 1.5)
[04:42] <newbie> 1.5 ?
[04:42] <newbie> i have hd with only 1 Gb
[04:42] <newbie> i think it's enough
[04:42] <Derreck> newbie, Mine's currently using almost 3GB.
[04:42] <thr1ce> newbie, i'm very fresh install...
[04:43] <thr1ce> andrew@home:~$ df -h
[04:43] <thr1ce> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[04:43] <thr1ce> /dev/hdc6              20G  1.5G   19G   8% /
[04:43] <nickrud> newbie I think only for a server install, and !maybe! a real minimal window manager
[04:43] <Tim_> They are .deb file?
[04:43] <thr1ce> without gnome you might be able to make it
[04:43] <Derreck> /dev/sda1             9.2G  2.7G  6.1G  31% /
[04:43] <newbie> oh what a pity of me :(
[04:44] <nickrud> /dev/hdd2             4.6G  2.3G  2.2G  52%, with home on another partition
[04:44] <Tim_> As you can tell I am a new Linux user with very little experience.
[04:44] <thr1ce> Tim_, everyone's new to something
[04:44] <newbie> in where the bset place to instal grub in hdd0 or hdd1 ?
[04:44] <nickrud> newbie you can probably pick up a 4 gig disk at a flea market for 5 bucks
[04:44] <GigaClon> i have a program that can't use esd for performance reasons, is there way to use somthing else (like ALSA) for sound instead
[04:44] <cafuego> !java
[04:44] <ubotu> hmm... java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[04:44] <capi> Anyone have a clue on fixing this error "ping: unknown host google.com"
[04:44] <Tim_> Thanks, what do I do with these 2 files to get this package workng?
[04:45] <newbie> it can be instal grub on hdd1 and detect any my os ?
[04:45] <thr1ce> Tim_, they are deps?
[04:45] <thr1ce> debs* ?
[04:45] <Tim_> yeah debs
[04:45] <thr1ce> read up on dpkg:  man dpkg
[04:46] <nickrud> Tim_ the basic command for installing debs is dpkg -i <package1> <package2>
[04:46] <nickrud> Tim_ with sudo in front of dpkg, of course :)
[04:46] <Tim_> ok but i can do each file one at a time can't i?
[04:47] <Tim_> sudo ?
[04:47] <nickrud> !rootsudo
[04:47] <ubotu> well, rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:47] <thr1ce> Tim_, sudo dpkg -i <pack1> <pack2>
[04:47] <thr1ce> will do both at the same time
[04:47] <nickrud> Tim_ if the packages depend on each other, do them together
[04:47] <Tim_> Ok gottcha
[04:47] <thr1ce> sudo is used for temporary super user access
[04:47] <capi> Is there a tool to reconfigure the network back to the way it was after a fresh install?
[04:47] <tiglionabbit> Tim_: to make things easier to understand, instead of -i, say --install.  There's also --remove, and --info
[04:48] <tiglionabbit> capi: there are many components of the network.  I don't think you can find a single command
[04:48] <newbie> hello
[04:48] <tiglionabbit> hello newbie
[04:48] <thr1ce> hi
[04:48] <thr1ce> i install to the MBR
[04:48] <newbie> it can be instal grub on hdd1 and detect any my os ?
[04:49] <nickrud> newbie it will probably work, I've seen it fail in a few odd situations
[04:49] <tiglionabbit> newbie: yes, ubuntu does detect other operating systems
[04:49] <newbie> oh i mean MBR
[04:49] <emacsen> Can anyone else here run gok?
[04:49] <moparfan90> i need help installing java runtime2  .... help me
[04:49] <thr1ce> !java
[04:49] <ubotu> java is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[04:49] <bonggnu> !cdrecord
[04:49] <ubotu> bonggnu: Are you smoking crack?
[04:49] <tiglionabbit> !newusers
[04:49] <ubotu> [newusers]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUbuntuUsers
[04:49] <bonggnu> not, just cannabis
[04:50] <newbie> oh ic tiglionabbit
[04:50] <bonggnu> !mkisofs
[04:50] <ubotu> bonggnu: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:50] <nickrud> newbie just make sure you have a boot disk for your window install, if you don't have one already.
[04:50] <bonggnu> !k3b
[04:50] <ubotu> bonggnu: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:50] <newbie> cause my xp in hdd0 and my ubuntu in hdd1
[04:50] <Tim_> Ok so when you say pack1 pack2 ect you are refering to the files that were downloade?
[04:50] <moparfan90> i need help installing "J2SE Runtime Environment"
[04:50] <moparfan90> hep mre
[04:50] <thr1ce> did you install windows first?
[04:50] <newbie> and i instal grub on hdd0
[04:50] <newbie> yes thr1ce
[04:51] <newbie> it can be to instal ubuntu first and after that windows ??
[04:51] <tiglionabbit> newbie: there's no such thing as hdd0.  You mean hd4,0 or hdd1?  (wait, you have 4 hard disks?  I doubt that)
[04:51] <moparfan90> i need help installing "J2SE Runtime Environment"
[04:51] <bimberi> Tim_: gnopernicus is available in the ubuntu repositories - you can download and install it in one action using apt-get - a safer method than downloading DEBs and installing using dpkg
[04:51] <newbie> oh
[04:51] <moparfan90> help me please
[04:51] <nickrud> newbie that's one of the 'odd' situations I've seen :)
[04:51] <gpled> how do i get sound to work in 5.04?
[04:51] <crimsun> gpled: what sound chipset?
[04:51] <thr1ce> linux should always be install after windows...it'll save aLOT of trouble
[04:51] <decaf> moparfan90: install java-package and read its docs
[04:52] <thr1ce> windows likes to overwrite the mbr very casually
[04:52] <moparfan90> ok
[04:52] <newbie> are u sure thr1ce ?
[04:52] <emacsen> anyone else want to try to get/run gok for me please?
[04:52] <tiglionabbit> gpled: it depends on a lot of things.  It's supposed to work by default
[04:52] <bonggnu> burning group is deprecated in ubuntu ?
[04:52] <newbie> it can be ?
[04:52] <thr1ce> newbie, what can be?
[04:52] <newbie> if can i will instal linux first and after that windows
[04:52] <gpled> dmesg reports isapnp: Card 'CS4235 CODEC'
[04:52] <thr1ce> no, windows first, then linux -_-
[04:52] <newbie> cause the mbr on hdd1
[04:52] <nickrud> newbie listen to thr1ce :)
[04:52] <crimsun> gpled: did you sudo modprobe snd_cs4235 ?
[04:53] <newbie> oh
[04:53] <newbie> windows 1st then linux 2 ?
[04:53] <nickrud> yes!
[04:53] <thr1ce> grub should add itself to the mbr just fine, detecting your windows install too, and adding it automatically to the config
[04:53] <crouton> argh
[04:53] <Tim_> That is great how do I get to the repositories?
[04:53] <newbie> ic
[04:53] <thr1ce> Tim_, they are listed in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:53] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[04:53] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:54] <his> ..
[04:54] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[04:54] <ubotu> from memory, sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[04:54] <gpled> modprobe snd_cs4235 gets FATAL: Module snd_cs4235 not found.
[04:54] <nickrud> !components
[04:54] <ubotu> it has been said that components is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[04:54] <newbie> what about i format my windows u know the grub will be lost and i'cant go back to my linux ?
[04:54] <thr1ce> newbie, ubuntu does a good job setting up grub for you
[04:54] <crimsun> gpled: snd_cs4236
[04:54] <Tim_> Ok now i have another problem when i installed ubuntu it never asked me to set up a password for root so i cant even access root privs?
[04:54] <GigaClon> !esd
[04:54] <ubotu> it has been said that esd is Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously.
[04:54] <crimsun> gpled: is this on a laptop?
[04:54] <nickrud> components explains what you're doing with !repositories
[04:54] <thr1ce> brb
[04:55] <tiglionabbit> Tim_: that's normal
[04:55] <tiglionabbit> !sudo
[04:55] <ubotu> sudo is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:55] <crouton> oooh.  is there a specific set of commands to create an ISO image using dd?
[04:55] <Tim_> so when i type su it asks for a password
[04:55] <nickrud> dd if=/dev/hd? of=image.iso
[04:55] <tiglionabbit> Tim_: use sudo -s instead of su.  It's your own password
[04:55] <thr1ce> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=cd.iso
[04:55] <crouton> nickrud: yeah, but do i need a bs=xxxx ?
[04:55] <hisheroisgone> ,,,
[04:56] <bimberi> Tim_: use "sudo -s" instead to get a shell with root privileges
[04:56] <tessier> Hello all!
[04:56] <crouton> howdy
[04:56] <nickrud> crouton well, not the last time I did it, anyway
[04:56] <Tim_> ok
[04:56] <crouton> nickrud: worth a shot, thanks. same thanks to you thr1ce
[04:56] <gpled> snd_cs4236 took, but no sound.
[04:56] <thr1ce> crouton, shouldn't
[04:56] <gpled> do i have to restart x?
[04:56] <tiglionabbit> Tim_: all of the gui's components use gksudo, which uses your own password too
[04:56] <nickrud> although, I have used bs=1024 before
[04:56] <crimsun> gpled: X Window System has nothing to do with sound
[04:56] <crouton> thr1ce: I think I'm going to dump the filesystem to iso file, maybe I can browse that later. ;)
[04:56] <tessier> I'm a Fedora/CentOS user but I decided to steal a very good idea from Ubuntu and do away with root passwords in my office and configure sudo.
[04:56] <gpled> crimsun: this is on a desktop
[04:56] <thr1ce> crouton, might be a good idea
[04:57] <gpled> how can i test sound out side of x?
[04:57] <bonggnu> i need help with cd burning in ubuntu hoary, i can toaste any kind of cd (using k3b i.e)
[04:57] <crimsun> gpled: you need to use a mixer and unmute (then increase) Master, PCM, and DSP
[04:57] <bimberi> tessier: yes it took a bit of getting used to but I'd do the same now too - one less password to manage
[04:57] <decaf> how can I add a description to ubotu ?
[04:57] <Tim_> ok i found the sources.list file now what do i do with it to install the package i need.
[04:57] <Trace> Hello, How do i know which module alsa contain? for example, i want to use snd-azx, but when i modprobe snd_azx, system telles me don't have this module
[04:57] <tessier> Only one problem with this: How do you scp a file readable only by root from one system to another?
[04:57] <nickrud> bonggnu can, or cannot?
[04:57] <bonggnu> cannot
[04:57] <crimsun> gpled: you can use alsamixer, amixer, aumix, etc.
[04:57] <tessier> Say for example I want to duplicate my /etc/sudoers file to every machine. I can't scp in as root to read the file.
[04:57] <thr1ce> Tim_, well, you don't use that; that'll just list the sources; sudo apt-get install <package> does that for you
[04:57] <tessier> I had the bright idea of chmod'ing the sudoers file 444
[04:58] <thr1ce> or, you can run synaptic, and just search in there for whatever you'd like
[04:58] <crimsun> Trace: Ubuntu Hoary does not ship with snd_azx.ko compiled. You need to compile it yourself from alsa-source in the universe repo.
[04:58] <tessier> That solved the immediate problem but then I found that my developers could not sudo on the box this morning.
[04:58] <abarbaccia> hey guys - the kernel source that i download from the ubuntu repos, does that contain my current kernel's config file
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> tessier: for more complicated issues like that, simply unlock root and copy your public key to them
[04:58] <crimsun> abarbaccia: your currenty config is in /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> it'll make life easier
[04:58] <crimsun> -y
[04:58] <tessier> With no working sudo and a locked root password I had to boot the rescue disk. What a pain. I guess I learned my lesson on that.
[04:58] <thr1ce> abarbaccia, if that kernel and the one you're running are the same
[04:58] <Trace> crimusn, do you mean i should down load the source code and compile it myself?
[04:58] <Tim_> ok so i just type sudo apt-get install gnopernicus
[04:58] <crimsun> !tell Trace about alsa-source
[04:59] <abarbaccia> right, im asking if the ubuntu kernel sources have the ubuntu .config file or a generic one
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> tessier: tha'ts what we do, as a rule use sudo, but retain a root password on all machines
[04:59] <bimberi> Tim_: Does "sudo apt-get install gnopernicus" work?
[04:59] <crimsun> abarbaccia: you don't need the kernel source. It's already included at the location I told you.
[04:59] <nickrud> bonggnu I only use a subset of burning, that is, copying a cd (dd) and writing the iso (right click the iso in the filemanager), and burn:// for creating data disks in the filemanager
[04:59] <Trace> Thx!! crimsun!!
[04:59] <thr1ce> abarbaccia, should have the .config file; but, if I recall, ubuntu uses a initrd to load modules
[04:59] <abarbaccia> crimsun, i do need the kernel source - but i need the source tree setup correctly too
[04:59] <Tim_> that is what i am asking is that what i am supposed to type to install that package?
[05:00] <bimberi> Tim_: yes
[05:00] <crimsun> abarbaccia: what are you trying to do?
[05:00] <Tim_> ok here goes
[05:00] <thr1ce> Tim_, sure...try it out :)
[05:00] <tiglionabbit> Tim_: why not use synaptic.  It's much friendlier
[05:00] <abarbaccia> thr1ce crimsun , for compiling lirc (ir control for my myth box) it needs a source tree to work against
[05:00] <gpled> crimsun: is their a mixer in x?  does volume control count?
[05:00] <crimsun> abarbaccia: the config is distributed with linux-image-foo. You don't need linux-source to look at the config file.
[05:00] <bonggnu> nickrud: i ll try the steps that you suggeest
[05:00] <crimsun> gpled: sure, Volume Control will suffice.
[05:00] <thr1ce> Tim_, in that sources.list file, you can uncomment the other lines that start with deb, then run sudo apt-get update, and it'll give you even more packages
[05:01] <nickrud> bonggnu just what are you trying to do, maybe I can give a better answer :)
[05:01] <gpled> crimsun: is there a way i can test sound from console?
[05:01] <crimsun> abarbaccia: make sure you make oldconfig with the config I pointed you to above.
[05:01] <crimsun> gpled: sure, use aplay with a wav file
[05:02] <tiglionabbit> crimsun: why not just have him use system -> multimedia systems, and hit Test
[05:02] <Tim_> Ok, looks like it is working.
[05:02] <bimberi> Tim_: Yes - synaptic is a good thing to get to know - it's a gui front-end to apt(-get) - the command you've just used
[05:02] <crimsun> tiglionabbit: because he's not in X Window System presently
[05:02] <tiglionabbit> oh
[05:02] <nickrud> synaptic has real aptitude :)
[05:02] <bonggnu> install cdrecord mkisofs nautilus-cd-burner
[05:02] <thinice> need help - trying to install ubuntu on a raid array-  2 sata drives running in raid0 (hardware) - both drives are showing up though, not as one
[05:03] <abarbaccia> crimsun, thr1ce i got it - and the answer is yes, the .config file is the correct one with the source (at least lirc thinks so!)
[05:03] <frozenwalkway> how big is ubuntu fully installed?
[05:03] <spermie_411> What am i doing wrong? bash: sudo/etc/init.d/sshd: No such file or directory
[05:03] <spermie_411> ?
[05:03] <thr1ce> 1.5 g or so
[05:03] <frozenwalkway> thanks trh!ce
[05:03] <bimberi> Tim_: You can access it (once that install finishes) at System -> Adminstration -> Synaptic Package Manager
[05:03] <moparfan90> its small
[05:03] <crimsun> abarbaccia: no. The config in /boot is the one that's being used.
[05:03] <nickrud> bonggnu nautilus-cd-burner if I recall correctly, is part of the base install for ubuntu-desktop. Why do you need to install it?
[05:03] <nalioth> frozenwalkway: user desktop about 3-4gb MAX
[05:03] <Tim_> Ok thats great i'll look into that.
[05:03] <nalioth> nickrud: howdy
[05:04] <Tim_> Thanks for all your help.
[05:04] <thinice> anyone ?a
[05:04] <bonggnu> i am using kubuntu
[05:04] <bimberi> Tim_: yw :)
[05:04] <capi> how do you estimate a good swap size?
[05:04] <thr1ce> capi, how much ram do you have?
[05:04] <capi> 256
[05:04] <nickrud> nalioth hey, when will you hit the alamo, I still need to see it :)
[05:04] <thr1ce> how much HDD space?
[05:04] <nalioth> capi: then twice
[05:04] <crimsun> if you plan to suspend, you want at least twice the amount of physical RAM.
[05:04] <nalioth> nickrud: huh?
[05:05] <thr1ce> capi, if you can afford it, do 512 or so
[05:05] <crimsun> if you don't plan to suspend, it doesn't really matter
[05:05] <GigaClon> is there a page in the wiki comparing KDE and GNOME
[05:05] <nickrud> nalioth nm, you've forgotten an earlier conversation :)
[05:05] <nalioth> nickrud: yes, i've slept
[05:05] <nickrud> lol
[05:05] <spermie_411> sudo: /etc/init.d/sshd: command not found ?? why isnt this working?
[05:05] <tiglionabbit> GigaClon: it's mostly opinion.  Why not get kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop together, and see which you like more?
[05:05] <crimsun> spermie_411: install openssh-server
[05:06] <nickrud> bonggnu oh, I don't know much about kubuntu.
[05:06] <thr1ce> spermie_411, you need openssh
[05:06] <nalioth> GigaClon: and you don't have to stop there, there are over a dozen desktop manglers you can (ab)use
[05:06] <thr1ce> server*
[05:06] <capi> does more than double hurt it, or just a waste?
[05:06] <mdipi> hey guys, if i switched my defualt DE to  KDE, how can i make the default Gnome again?
[05:06] <crimsun> spermie_411: and it's /etc/init.d/ssh, not /etc/init.d/sshd
[05:06] <FormerWindowsUse> which is better:  epiphany or firefox?
[05:06] <nalioth> spermie_411: you need the pkg called "openssh-server"
[05:06] <nalioth> FormerWindowsUse: chevy or ford?
[05:06] <FormerWindowsUse> i dont know
[05:06] <thr1ce> FormerWindowsUse, that's opinion...but firefox is better supported, updated more frequently
[05:06] <nickrud> mdipi in the login screen, there should be a session option
[05:07] <bonggnu> nickrud: i installed ubuntu base, and installed throw apt the other components
[05:07] <thinice> need help - trying to install ubuntu on a raid array-  2 sata drives running in raid0 (hardware) - both drives are showing up though, not as one --- any ideas ?
[05:07] <spermie_411> does synaptics have open-server?
[05:07] <crimsun> spermie_411: yes.
[05:07] <Tim_> One more question now that I have that package installed do i need to reboot for it to work?
[05:07] <thr1ce> spermie_411, dunno, search
[05:07] <spermie_411> ok
[05:07] <tiglionabbit> !info openssh-server
[05:07] <ubotu> openssh-server: (Secure shell server, an rshd replacement), section net, is optional. Version: 1:3.9p1-1ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 253 kB, Installed size: 608 kB
[05:07] <mdipi> nickrud, yeah thats per session though, not default
[05:07] <thr1ce> Tim_, nope; only reboot in linux to change kernels, or add hardware
[05:07] <nalioth> FormerWindowsUse: you asked a subjective question, all this linux soft is free, so why not try whatever you like?
[05:07] <bob2> thinice: that means it's not hardware raid
[05:07] <FormerWindowsUse> good idea nalioth thanks
[05:07] <nalioth> Tim_: the only time you reboot is when you upgrade the kernel
[05:08] <Tim_> Ok, so I hcecked the checkbox for screen reader how do i get it talking?
[05:08] <nickrud> mdipi well, gdm asks if you want the newly selected session to be the default, I don't remember if kdm does
[05:08] <spermie_411> Thanks guys
[05:08] <bob2> thinice: if it's built into the motherabord, it's highly unlikely to be hardware raid
[05:08] <nalioth> mdipi: when you select gnome, it will ask you if you want to make it default
[05:08] <thr1ce> Tim_, hit apply at the top
[05:08] <newbie> !lilo
[05:08] <ubotu> newbie: Bugger all, i dunno
[05:08] <newbie> !mbr
[05:08] <ubotu> newbie: I haven't a clue
[05:08] <FormerWindowsUse> nalioth:  does epiphany have good extensions like firefox?
[05:08] <newbie> !grub
[05:08] <ubotu> methinks grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[05:08] <mdipi> nalioth, nickrud, it never asked to default it again, gmd does but KDE apparently doesnt
[05:08] <thinice> oot
[05:08] <nalioth> FormerWindowsUse: afaik, only ff uses
[05:08] <gpled> crimsun: ok, i got aplay to work, but still no sound in x.  also can not get DSP to go up.  used alsamixer.
[05:08] <thinice> it's got it's own raid controller chip.
[05:08] <zZzZzUz> POKER [Holdem]  for LINUX? any suggestions???
[05:09] <nalioth> 'extensions'
[05:09] <nickrud> mdipi another reason to stick with gnome ;P
[05:09] <capi> Whats a good size for a boot partition? 500MB?
[05:09] <bob2> capi: you don't need one at all
[05:09] <crimsun> gpled: which elements did you unmute?
[05:09] <bob2> capi: but 500MB is ridiculously large
[05:09] <thr1ce> capi, noo, WAY too much
[05:09] <nalioth> FormerWindowsUse: however galeon, epiphany, kazehakase are all gecko based, so can all offer similar things
[05:09] <bob2> thinice: is it a desktop motherboard?
[05:09] <tiglionabbit> gpled: in X, right-click and get Properties on your speaker thing.  Then go through every section on every device and turn it up
[05:09] <thr1ce> capi, a good kernel is about 1.5-2.0 mb
[05:09] <bonggnu> use 40 mbytes
[05:09] <mdipi> nickrud, yeah i know :P thats why i wanna default gnome again
[05:09] <thr1ce> 6638    /boot/
[05:09] <thinice> bob2: yes it is - intel onboard raid asus -
[05:09] <tiglionabbit> wow, I did a 'cp' command that is taking ages
[05:10] <bob2> thinice: then it's not actually hardware raid
[05:10] <thinice> it sure as hell aint software. ..
[05:10] <nalioth> capi: you really don't need one, but 200mb would be the biggest i'd use
[05:10] <thinice> what would you call it then ?
[05:10] <nickrud> mdipi then, the quick fix is aptitude install gdm
[05:10] <bob2> thinice: software
[05:10] <FormerWindowsUse> does anybody use p2p software here that they can legally mention? lol
[05:10] <tiglionabbit> it took like 2 minutes to cp 174mb from ext3 to fat32
[05:10] <bob2> thinice: if it was hardware, the OS wouldn't know anything about the disks behind it
[05:10] <spermie_411> permie@Spermie:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[05:10] <spermie_411>  * Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server...         [fail] 
[05:10] <spermie_411> why would it fail ?
[05:10] <thr1ce> sudo ?
[05:10] <thinice> that's what I thought -
[05:10] <thr1ce> oh
[05:10] <rob_lt> FormerWindowsUse, I use Limewire which is perfectly legal in canada, and runs just fine on linux
[05:10] <nalioth> nickrud: if he's got gnome, hes got gdm
[05:11] <HrdwrBoB> thr1ce: should still work
[05:11] <thinice> if it was emulated tho, wouldn't I have to install software for it ?
[05:11] <gpled> hmm, esd sound cool. what does that do?
[05:11] <thr1ce> ls -l /etc/init.d/ssh
[05:11] <FormerWindowsUse> rob_lt:  is there a better alternative to LimeWire?
[05:11] <thinice> or is it 'firmware software' /
[05:11] <nalioth> FormerWindowsUse: java apps use a lot of system resources
[05:11] <tiglionabbit> gtk-gnutella is okay
[05:11] <nalioth> FormerWindowsUse: gtk-gnutella uses the same network
[05:11] <rob_lt> FormerWindowsUse, depends what you're after.  There's bittorrent, and ed2k clients too, though I don't use them.
[05:11] <nickrud> nalioth, if mdipi has gdm already installed, then sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm, and select gdm as the display manager
[05:11] <JeremyPrivett> Hey guys. Would anyone be able to help me with this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=48295
[05:11] <thr1ce> @ spermie_411
[05:11] <bob2> thinice: you need a special driver for it that emulates raid, yes
[05:12] <mdipi> nickrud, i'll give that a go
[05:12] <FormerWindowsUse> last time i tried gtk-gnutella it never connected.  how is this?
[05:12] <spermie_411> Wow thanks thr1ce it worked =)
[05:12] <tiglionabbit> JeremyPrivett: no thread
[05:12] <spermie_411> you the man
[05:12] <bob2> JeremyPrivett: something is extramly broken
[05:12] <thr1ce> spermie_411, lol, all I had you do was check perms
[05:12] <tiglionabbit> oops wait
[05:12] <tiglionabbit> sorry
[05:12] <spermie_411> perms?
[05:12] <thr1ce> permissions
[05:12] <bob2> JeremyPrivett: that error is your kernel crashing.  check the .inf file isn't corrupt, etc.
[05:12] <spermie_411> i see
[05:13] <spermie_411> sorry N00b
[05:13] <thr1ce> but it's working?
[05:13] <spermie_411> yeah
[05:13] <thr1ce> lol ok
[05:13] <mdipi> nickrud, that worked fine
[05:13] <f_r[a] n_k> can someone help me out please?
[05:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i'm havin some problems
[05:13] <mdipi> nickrud, cheers mate!
[05:13] <JeremyPrivett> bob2, how would I go about doing that, if I can't get the computer to Boot?
[05:13] <gpled> ok, if i run esd sound works
[05:13] <gpled> in x
[05:13] <thr1ce> f_r[a] n_k, not if you don't ask a question
[05:13] <thr1ce> :)
[05:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the power faild today and now an app keeps stalling
[05:14] <crimsun> gpled: are you using gnome?
[05:14] <bob2> JeremyPrivett: wow, you have ndiswrapper running during boot?
[05:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what can i do to fix this?
[05:14] <bob2> brave
[05:14] <gpled> crimsun: yes
[05:14] <f_r[a] n_k> well i installed ubuntu using the wrong resolution, now its all garbled
[05:14] <f_r[a] n_k> and i cant see to change it
[05:14] <tiglionabbit> JeremyPrivett: you can use a livecd, like knoppix, to boot and make repairs on things
[05:14] <crimsun> gpled: then do this: echo "snd_cs4236" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[05:14] <thr1ce> ChurcH_of_FoamY, in synaptic, there is an option to reinstall packages...try that ?
[05:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[05:14] <bob2> you don't even need to do that, just boot into reocvery mode
[05:14] <nalioth> f_r[a] n_k: you dont need to see
[05:14] <crimsun> gpled: sound will work, as it does now, when you reboot
[05:15] <JeremyPrivett> bob2, tried that already. It still crashed.
[05:15] <tiglionabbit> brb, let me check something
[05:15] <f_r[a] n_k> i dont need to see?
[05:15] <thinice> out of curiosity
[05:15] <f_r[a] n_k> like i cant log in
[05:15] <nalioth> f_r[a] n_k: hit ctrl-alt-f3 and login
[05:15] <thinice> why is it so 'bad' to run x in root ?
[05:15] <bob2> JeremyPrivett: something has trashed your disk then
[05:15] <thr1ce> thinice, security...imagine if someone "hacked in" with root access
[05:15] <gpled> crimsun:  what does tee -a do?
[05:15] <nalioth> thinice: b/c some programs will use the root priveleges to trash your account settings
[05:15] <Tim_> ok i got it to where gnopernicus starts when I start the machine, but when i click on click on applications accessability screen reader and magnifier i get no speech from the speakers.
[05:16] <crimsun> gpled: appends to file while also printing to stdout
[05:16] <thinice> nalioth: namely ?
[05:16] <gpled> crimsun: thanks for for the /etc/modules tip
[05:16] <thinice> I'm not runnin a shell server here...
[05:16] <nalioth> thinice: .ICEauthority for one has been reported to be changed to read-only by nautilus
[05:16] <JeremyPrivett> bob2, is there anything that I can do?
[05:17] <thinice> well
[05:17] <Tim_> and if i'm not mistaken when i nstalled the gnompernicus it installed festval as well?
[05:17] <thinice> heh
[05:17] <thinice> brb
[05:17] <bob2> thinice: it's bad because it encourages people to be idiots.  having to use sudo raises the barrier for making fatal mistakes.
[05:17] <bob2> JeremyPrivett: dunno
[05:17] <nalioth> f_r[a] n_k: are you here?
[05:17] <bob2> depends how bad it is
[05:17] <f_r[a] n_k> yeh
[05:17] <bob2> or if that is indeed the problem
[05:17] <f_r[a] n_k> i logged in
[05:17] <gpled> any idea why i need to run esd?
[05:17] <thinice> well considering I just discovered my problem I'll never have to do it again
[05:17] <bob2> JeremyPrivett: if you expect help from people on the forums, you need to post way way more information thatn that
[05:17] <thr1ce> gpled, why not ?
[05:17] <f_r[a] n_k> how do i change the resolution?
[05:17] <crimsun> gpled: you don't _have_ to, but it's the default configuration.
[05:17] <thr1ce> gpled, it does multiple application handling pretty well
[05:18] <JeremyPrivett> bob2, what kind of information?
[05:18] <crimsun> gpled: else you'd have to configure things to use either oss or alsa
[05:18] <thr1ce> f_r[a] n_k, well, editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf for one
[05:18] <f_r[a] n_k> man i'm tottaly new at this
[05:18] <sky_monkey007> I have a theoretical question.  If you have software package A and B that both depend on a particular version of package C, what happens when you upgrade package A that needs a newer version of C, if there was also no upgrade for package B that uses the older version of package C?
[05:18] <bob2> JeremyPrivett: ie the whole error, not that one line
[05:18] <nalioth> f_r[a] n_k: in your terminal, type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and fix your self
[05:18] <sky_monkey007> could you have 2 different version of a common dependency, like glibc, or something like that?
[05:18] <bob2> sky_monkey007: nothing.  B continues to work, A gets upgraded.
[05:19] <Frank_dot> sky_monkey007: package B will use the newer A
[05:19] <bob2> sky_monkey007: if C would break B, C would need to handle that.
[05:19] <thr1ce> nalioth, always doing things the easy way...
[05:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no option to reinstall the app is in synaptic >.<
[05:19] <Frank_dot> sky_monkey007: package B will use the newer C
[05:19] <JeremyPrivett> bob2, I can only see part of the error. It floods the screen, and I can only see about the last half. I can't scroll back up to see the rest.
[05:19] <bob2> sky_monkey007: no, you can't have multiple versions of the one package, and you cant make multiple glibc6 packages, either.
[05:19] <thr1ce> ChurcH_of_FoamY, right click, "mark for reinstallation"
[05:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the app isen't in synaptic
[05:19] <nalioth> thr1ce: he said he bungled the video part of the install, not wanted more rez options
[05:20] <sky_monkey007> the reason I asked is because I remember when I was upgrading my GAIM and it needed a new version of glibc.  When I went to upgrade glibc6, it said that some other program depended on that particular version of glibc6
[05:20] <thr1ce> nalioth, ah...I still always change resolutions from xorg.conf
[05:20] <gpled> crimsun: should i be using alsa?
[05:20] <crimsun> gpled: it's your choice. Breezy has moved to alsa natively.
[05:20] <mig1> afternoon...
[05:20] <thr1ce> learned on slack remember
[05:20] <nalioth> thr1ce: but we don't know if he bungled the driver, or the dispay type or what....
[05:20] <nickrud> mig1 hi
[05:20] <sky_monkey007> bob2, you think that was just a freak occurance perhaps?
[05:20] <mig1> err, evening, not afternoon heh
[05:21] <gpled> crimsun: how do i tell my system to use alsa?
[05:21] <mig1> a few things
[05:21] <mig1> 1) does ubuntu support dvi?
[05:21] <bob2> sky_monkey007: er, no, that's user error
[05:21] <Frank_dot> sky_monkey007: maybe a bunch of other libraries need to follow glibc exactly
[05:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i think it's something with my sound
[05:21] <mig1> new computer, dvi, monitor says "unsupported input"
[05:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> stalls out the app >.<
[05:22] <sky_monkey007> Frank_dot, thanks.  Thats what I figured.  I always used apt to install packages, but did try to install GAIM from source for that upgrade.
[05:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[05:22] <bob2> sky_monkey007: using real ubuntu packages, you won't have that issue
[05:22] <crimsun> what's the deal with your sound, ChurcH_of_FoamY?
[05:22] <sky_monkey007> Aptitude is an awesome alternative to Synaptic, if you've never used it :)
[05:22] <thr1ce> ChurcH_of_FoamY, run it from a terminal, see what errors are presented
[05:22] <mig1> the other thing is... i'm trying to setup vsftpd from a live environment, and have it point to an ntfs usb hdd (corrupt ntfs table, ubuntu can read it, windows cannot)
[05:22] <Frank_dot> sky_monkey007: what I said is just a guess though
[05:22] <konki> mig1, yes..
[05:22] <mig1> i want to transfer from that hdd -> new machine via ftp
[05:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i do run it in terminal it just laggs
[05:22] <newbie> guy's what the best place to instal grub in windows on linux ? i have install windows 1st
[05:22] <gpled> crimsun: have to go.  thanks for all the help.
[05:22] <thr1ce> what application?
[05:22] <thinice> ok - this is starting to get to me. I plug my digital cam in while logged into x as root - detects it fine and lets me see the images .
[05:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nothing happens it goes to sleep
[05:23] <mig1> i can apt-get install vsftpd, however, i can't get a listing on the drive
[05:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> TeamSpeak_RC2
[05:23] <thinice> login as a normal user - detects device- doesn't detect the cam make or the pictures inside it.
[05:23] <thinice> I also can't launch the apps from the administrator menu -
[05:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it worked before the power went out >.<
[05:23] <bob2> thinice: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[05:23] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: did you configure arts to release the sound device after a few seconds?
[05:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um no
[05:24] <Frank_dot> mig1: vsftpd is just the ftp server, nothing more
[05:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i don't even know what that is >.<
[05:24] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: are you using Kubuntu?
[05:24] <spermie_411> where do i got to get a weather station for my town on k weather?
[05:24] <thr1ce> hm...doesn't kde have troubles with changing /tmp perms?
[05:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ubuntu
[05:24] <mig1> ok, so how do i set the permissions on the drive, so that a nonroot user can read ?
[05:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kubuntu is installed though but not used
[05:24] <mig1> its the auto mount from ubuntu livecd
[05:24] <newbie> help me
[05:24] <newbie> help
[05:24] <thr1ce> mig1, man chmod
[05:24] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: then you'll need to configure esd to release the device after an idle period
[05:24] <mig1> i tried chmod
[05:25] <thr1ce> actually, man mount, check into umask options
[05:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how?
[05:25] <Madpilot> spermie_411: right click on the weather thing, pick "Preferences"
[05:25] <mig1> says its a readonly file system
[05:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it worked fine before the power went out
[05:25] <mig1> will try that
[05:25] <edamron> I just installed ubuntu a few days ago.  Is there no root user?!  It seems that my normal logon has root powers?!
[05:25] <spermie_411> doesnt say preferences
[05:25] <thr1ce> mig1, what type of fylesystem?
[05:25] <mig1> ntfs
[05:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> whats diffrent now?
[05:25] <ekho> hi
[05:25] <thr1ce> ah, umask should work well
[05:25] <mig1> i just want an anonymous ftp user to be able to read it
[05:25] <crimsun> !tell edamron about sudo
[05:25] <Frank_dot> edamron: no root user, you use sudo <command> instead
[05:25] <ekho> this 1st time i use the linux
[05:25] <Madpilot> spermie_411: sorry, just realized you said K weather. I'm using the gnome weather thing...
[05:25] <mig1> i can: ln -s /media/usbhdd /var/ftp
[05:26] <mig1> and allow anonymous in vsftpd
[05:26] <mig1> however, it says list OK, open failed
[05:26] <ekho> can help me?
[05:26] <mig1> i guess i dont have permissions, will try umask options in mount
[05:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> any ideas?
[05:26] <edamron> crimsun, But when I do admin stuff it asks for my password and then gives me root powers.
[05:26] <edamron> crimsun, is it doing sudo behind my back?
[05:27] <ekho> some one please help me..
[05:27] <crimsun> edamron: gksudo
[05:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ekho whats up?
[05:27] <misfit_toy> ekho, what is your question?
[05:27] <nalioth> ekho: you need to ask a question
[05:27] <thr1ce> hm...in synaptic, does tuxracer = tuxkart?
[05:27] <Trace> crimsun, i download the source code of alsa 1.0.9, but it seems don't have snd-azx driver.
[05:27] <ekho> how to show file windows
[05:28] <mig1> actually i dont even need the ln -s, if i say: anon_root in vsftpd.conf, however i need to make sure i have permissions set
[05:28] <GigaClon> how do install fonts on ubuntu
[05:28] <edamron> Okay so I can delete this profile and create a diff. one without trouble?
[05:28] <thr1ce> nevermind
[05:28] <thr1ce> lol
[05:28] <nalioth> GigaClon: drop them into your ~/.fonts directory
[05:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ekho whats your native laungauge?
[05:28] <ekho> indonesia
[05:28] <misfit_toy> ekho, at the top left, "places"
[05:28] <GigaClon> whats ~
[05:28] <Madpilot> thr1ce: tuxkart seems to be there too
[05:28] <edamron> The reason I ask is that I have an nfs server and my user ID is wrong on the client.
[05:28] <Trace> I tried dpkg-reconfig alsa-source, but i don't see modules for snd-azx
[05:28] <thr1ce> Madpilot, yeah, i changed search from tux to kart, and found it
[05:28] <ekho> yes
[05:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok um is there a room for his laugauge?
[05:29] <nickrud> GigaClon ~/.icons for a single user, /usr/local/share/fonts so all users on the machine can use them
[05:29] <nickrud> GigaClon ~ means
[05:29] <crimsun> Trace: did you select the azx driver?
[05:29] <misfit_toy> ekho "places"/ "computer"
[05:29] <konki> can KDE based application run/install on GNOME??
[05:29] <nalioth> GigaClon: ~ is a shortcut for /home/yournamehere
[05:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Seveas hi ^_^
[05:29] <ekho> i cant understant
[05:29] <nickrud> GigaClon bad enter ;) ~ means `/home/<current user>
[05:30] <edamron> Is there an easy way to change a user's UID so that it'll match an NFS server's UID for that person?
[05:30] <ekho> now i use linux Ubuntu
[05:30] <nalioth> konki: yes it can
[05:30] <misfit_toy> ekho and you want to see the files and folders right?
[05:30] <ekho> yes
[05:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> will someone refer ekho to a room that he can understand? (indeonisa)
[05:31] <ekho> i want to see my file windows Xp
[05:31] <misfit_toy> ekho, oh
[05:31] <thinice> I fixed the admin menu issue
[05:31] <Trace> I don't find azx item when i do dpkg-reconfig alsa-source,
[05:31] <Trace> i use 1.0.9
[05:32] <edamron> Is there an easy way to change a user's UID so that it'll match an NFS server's UID for that person?
[05:32] <konki> thanks nalioth..
[05:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Morton's Law:
[05:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> 	If rats are experimented upon, they will develop cancer.
[05:33] <nickrud> lol
[05:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[05:33] <misfit_toy> and also "Murphy was an optimist".
[05:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[05:33] <Velcan> if i were to make an sh script that issued a command prior to opening an app is there a way to issue a command(s) when that app is closed?
[05:34] <sky_monkey007> does anybody remember what applet Ubuntu installs as stock for wireless signal strength?
[05:34] <edamron> crimsun, Is there an easy way to change a user's UID so that it'll match an NFS server's UID for that person?
[05:34] <nickrud> Velcan just have the commands follow the app in the script, as a general rule
[05:34] <ekho> now i open root terminal
[05:34] <crimsun> edamron: sure, edit the appropriate system files
[05:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> never look up when a dragon flys overhead >.<
[05:34] <edamron> crimsun, LOL.  That does NOT sound easy.
[05:35] <nalioth> Velcan: are you familiar with bash scripting?
[05:35] <GigaClon> !bash
[05:35] <ubotu> GigaClon: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:35] <crimsun> edamron: it's not too difficult. Look at /etc/passwd
[05:35] <edamron> crimsun, thanks I'll take a look
[05:35] <Velcan> ok. for instance whenever i run WoW via cedega i have to killall esd .... i could just do killall esd; cedega path/to/wow.exe; esd ?
[05:36] <ekho> crimsum help me
[05:36] <crimsun> edamron: of course, it's much easier to just pass the appropriate uid to whichever UNIX command that attempts to mount an NFS export
[05:36] <crimsun> ekho: with?
[05:36] <Velcan> yea i ama  little
[05:36] <edamron> crimsun, Yeah, I should have set the proper UID when I created my account
[05:36] <Velcan> im no guru but aspire to be ...
[05:36] <ekho> i want to see my windows folder
[05:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Linux is not user-friendly.
[05:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> It _is_ user-friendly.  It is not ignorant-friendly and idiot-friendly.
[05:36] <edamron> crimsun, but it was the first time I've installed ubuntu
[05:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[05:37] <ekho> now i open root terminal
[05:37] <nickrud> hm, the tldp's bash link is from 2000; does anyone have a more recent/better one?
[05:37] <edamron> crimsun, Maybe I should just save my home directory. delete the account and recreate it with the proper UID
[05:38] <chris__> can anyone guide me through mounting my NTFS partitions please?  Knoppix was able to do it seemlessly, so there must be a way...
[05:38] <ekho> where a folder of windows
[05:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_O i dopn't think so
[05:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just find humorus things sometimes
[05:38] <nickrud> Velcan that is the correct direction
[05:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and paste them
[05:38] <bonggnu> holy, i can grab a cdr with cdrdao, but i cannot make it with cdrecord,
[05:38] <crimsun> edamron: just change the uid in /etc/passwd
[05:38] <cafuego> !tell chris__ -about user accessible ntfs
[05:38] <nalioths_dog> chris__: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[05:38] <crimsun> edamron: but it's much more beneficial to read the mount uid options
[05:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Sir! i am insulted >.<
[05:38] <Heinrich> is there a list of wireless desktop adaptors ubuntu supports???
[05:38] <Velcan> great. thanks nickrud
[05:39] <ekho> church can you help me?
[05:39] <nickrud> Velcan the link I've found is http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html; for what you want, it will help a lot
[05:39] <edamron> crimsun, oh... I can add some parm. to pass the UID the nfs server expects?
[05:39] <chris__> Thank you both of you
[05:39] <Velcan> awesome. i'll bookmark that now. thanks! :)
[05:39] <nalioth> Heinrich: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareDatabase
[05:40] <edamron> crimsun, Thanks you've been a big help.
[05:40] <cafuego> edamron: Are the usernames the same?
[05:40] <edamron> cafuego, yep
[05:40] <GigaClon> nickrud: 404 on that URL
[05:40] <cafuego> edamron: Just run ugidd
[05:40] <cafuego> edamron: (on the client and server)
[05:40] <edamron> cafuego, what does that do?
[05:40] <chris__> nalioths_dog:  Sorry I'm still just getting started with linux, how do I run this exactly?  Just set it as an executable?
[05:41] <cafuego> edamron: And pass map_daemon in the exports file; it will then chat with the server and handle the mapping automagically.
[05:41] <nalioth> chris__: yes
[05:41] <edamron> cafuego, very kewl!
[05:42] <edamron> cafuego, the server is a suse 9.3 box.  I wonder if it comes with that
[05:42] <nickrud> GigaClon I just reloaded it, it came in here: maybe you caught the semi-colon a the end?
[05:42] <edamron> Thanks all!  I've got something to chew on now!
[05:43] <chris__> nalioths_dog: Okay, I've ran it, how do I tell if it works? Thank you for all the help
[05:43] <sizzam> hey everyone
[05:43] <bimberi> chris__: type df - and see if it is ounted
[05:43] <bimberi> *mounted
[05:43] <nalioth> chris__: look in /media, i believe
[05:43] <sizzam> im using an Athlon XP 3000+ processor, whats the best kernel for me?
[05:44] <karnage-> im trying to compile PHP 4.4.0 from source for use with Apache 2.0 on Ubuntu 5.04, and it cannot find aspx2... does this mean apache2 needs to be compiled from source also?
[05:44] <GigaClon> nickrud: I love the last point in 1.3 of that
[05:44] <nickrud> GigaClon lol, I didn't see that
[05:44] <chris__> hmm, it doesn't appear to be mounted
[05:45] <chris__> nalioths_dog: It doesn't appear to be mounted, must I run it as root?
[05:45] <nalioth> chris__: yes it needs to be run using sudo
[05:45] <nickrud> GigaClon all kidding aside, I recommend Learning the Bash Shell, published by O'Rielly. I've bought a few books over the years, it's the only one still on my desk (1998 edition)
[05:45] <mig1> ok well, i mounted the usb hdd using: mount /dev/sda1 /media/usbhdd -t ntfs -o ro,gid=users
[05:46] <mig1> .etc/vsftpd.conf has default values, anonymous_enable=YES, anon_root=/media/usbhdd/
[05:46] <sky_monkey007> does anyone here run wireless that can recommend a decent applet that tells me the signal strength?
[05:46] <mig1> i have restarted vsftpd after changing the conf file, i can connect, however i get: Transfer done (but failed to open directory).
[05:46] <mig1> so i can't list
[05:47] <sky_monkey007> I'm using gtkwifi right now, and it doesn't list signal strength
[05:47] <ekho> tores..???
[05:47] <ekho> tores...
[05:47] <liable> ekho: your in #ubuntu now..
[05:48] <tranc> hi, sorry the question does anyone knows where can i find an oracle channel?
[05:48] <mig1> ideas please?
[05:48] <cafuego> google://irc+oracle+channel
[05:48] <toresbe> ekho: Sorry, my IRC client messed up
[05:48] <ekho> toresbe?
[05:49] <toresbe> ekho: yeah, I'm here now.
[05:49] <ekho> now you can help me?
[05:49] <toresbe> sure.
[05:49] <toresbe> ekho: you want to mount your Windows partition, right?
[05:49] <Diablo-D3> whats the official ubuntu method of getting stuff to start on boot that doesnt involve init.d/rc2.s
[05:49] <ekho> now i have open root terminal
[05:49] <chris__> this is wierd, when I do su and put in my password it says "su: Authentication failure"
[05:49] <tranc> cafuego, i already try that, nothing useful, thanks any way
[05:50] <thr1ce> chris__, use sudo
[05:50] <toresbe> chris__: well, yeah
[05:50] <nalioth> chris__: ubuntu doesnt use su
[05:50] <toresbe> chris__: use sudo
[05:50] <spermie_411> can someone look up the weather station for kweather, for a martinsburg west virginia Plzzzzzzz
[05:50] <nalioth> chris__: use 'sudo'
[05:50] <toresbe> chris__: You can sudo su if you want
[05:50] <toresbe> ekho: okay...
[05:50] <ekho> how to see my windows folder
[05:50] <helloyo> does anyone know a way of adding some totem key bindings?
[05:50] <chris__> I put in sudo....it just told me a lot of usage options....
[05:50] <chris__> should I put like sudo root
[05:50] <toresbe> ekho: Do you want to use your Windows partition?
[05:50] <GigaClon> sudo -i
[05:50] <ekho> yes
[05:50] <toresbe> chris__: what is your prompt?
[05:50] <Diablo-D3> spermie_411: just a s ec
[05:50] <karnage-> im trying to compile PHP 4.4.0 from source for use with Apache 2.0 on Ubuntu 5.04, and its not creating the apache module because it cannot find aspx2... does this mean apache2 needs to be compiled from source also?
[05:51] <Madpilot> spermie_411: a quick google shows that the nearest airport might be KMRB
[05:51] <ekho> toresbe?
[05:51] <chris__> toresbe: 'Terminal'  chris@hoaryhedgehog: /home/chris
[05:51] <toresbe> ekho: does it say # or $?
[05:51] <Diablo-D3> spermie_411: shepherd airport
[05:51] <toresbe> chris__: sorry, wrong nick
[05:51] <ekho> its #
[05:51] <chris__> np...
[05:51] <helloyo> would there be anyway to add some more key shortcuts to totem (xine)
[05:51] <Diablo-D3> spermie_411: its a nice 72f down there
[05:51] <spermie_411> ilol
[05:52] <toresbe> ekho: okay
[05:52] <toresbe> ekho: do "nano /etc/fstab" w/o quotes
[05:52] <nalioth> karnage-: need -dev libs for all involved
[05:52] <mig1> no ideas?
[05:52] <chris__> I don't think I understand how sudo works.....
[05:52] <Velcan> can anyone tell me if rhythmbox supports mp3? ... or not if it does but rather if it can.
[05:52] <nalioth> !sudo
[05:52] <ubotu> rumour has it, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:52] <chris__> Am I supposed to put something after sudo?
[05:52] <toresbe> chris__: yeah
[05:52] <nalioth> Velcan: it supports mp3
[05:52] <toresbe> chris__: whatever command you want to run as root
[05:53] <toresbe> chris__: sudo means "superuser do"
[05:53] <Velcan> any idea where i can get the plugin?
[05:53] <nalioth> chris__: sudo winmacfs or whatever the thing is called
[05:53] <toresbe> or run as root
[05:53] <Velcan> i can google if ya like just wondering if ya know :P
[05:53] <ekho> toresbe : i have do that
[05:53] <toresbe> ekho: okay, can you /msg me the contents?
[05:54] <ekho> now i used indonsia language in my linux
[05:54] <toresbe> that's no problem, please paste it anyway
[05:54] <ekho> /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[05:55] <toresbe> no, not here
[05:55] <toresbe> in a /msg
[05:55] <firebird318> Hi, I just installed Ubuntu today and I am trying to install my modem. I am to the point where I have to run hsfconfig to configure the modem. It asks me: "Where is the directory of C header files that match your running kernel?" What directory should I enter? I have Ubuntu 5.04
[05:55] <toresbe> ekho: type /query toresbe
[05:55] <Diablo-D3> firebird318: you have to install the headers package for your kernel
[05:55] <chris__> oh my it worked! :-* You guys are awesome!
[05:55] <toresbe> chris__: we know it ;P
[05:55] <Diablo-D3> firebird318: then it will automatically fill in the right dir
[05:55] <bimberi> chris__: it's a teriffic script!
[05:55] <chris__> yes it is!
[05:55] <toresbe> nalioth: what's that ?
[05:56] <Wa77z> anyone know how to unblock someone in gaim ??/
[05:56] <ekho> its no thing happen in my root terminal
[05:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok this is really weard
[05:56] <nickrud> !restricteformats
[05:56] <ubotu> nickrud: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:56] <toresbe> nalioth: is there an automatic script to attach a win partition?
[05:56] <firebird318> Well it has a directory of /usr/src/linux which doesn't even exist. Is the headers package on the Ubuntu disk
[05:56] <nickrud> !restrictedformats
[05:56] <ubotu> I guess restrictedformats is ""https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats"", or codecs
[05:56] <nickrud> Velcan that was for you
[05:56] <ekho>  <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[05:56] <ekho> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[05:56] <ekho> /dev/hdc3       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[05:56] <ekho> /dev/hdc6       none            swap    sw              0       0
[05:56] <ekho> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[05:56] <ekho> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[05:56] <helloyo> Wa77z, its bloody awkward, but you have to go into "Tools > Preferences" and tinker around
[05:56] <nalioths_dog> toresbe: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[05:56] <Trace> OK, snd_azx change the name to hda_intel, thx crimsun!!!
[05:56] <spermie_411> Madpilot what website did you get KMRB off of
[05:56] <spermie_411> ?
[05:56] <Wa77z> aight
[05:56] <Wa77z> i found it
[05:56] <toresbe> ekho: okay,please run this:
[05:56] <crimsun> Trace: for newer versions than 1.0.8, yes
[05:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i try to play beep media player and nothing happens....the i open up system monitor and all the proccess are sleeping is that normal?
[05:57] <Wa77z> = )
[05:57] <toresbe> nalioths_dog: excellent!
[05:57] <toresbe> ekho: wget http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[05:57] <jc_c> hell I just can't wait for breezy... This will be a kick ass release for us laptop users :)
[05:57] <toresbe> ekho: sudo sh winmac_fstab
[05:57] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you need to change the output to esound if you're using default Ubuntu sound configuration
[05:57] <crimsun> dh0: what sound card?
[05:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no i'm not
[05:57] <seth_k> jc_c: the 2.6.12-2 kernel has Alps touchpad patches, FINALLY
[05:57] <GigaClon> i get the same thing as foamy with RealPlayer
[05:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i followd a howto awile ago and then the power faild now no sound app will work
[05:58] <ekho> i have back to : root@Raynaldi:~ #
[05:58] <GigaClon> how can I change the sound configuration
[05:58] <dh0> crimsun: old machine. old card. it is an audigy something. let me check
[05:58] <robotgeek> seth_k: so, is that in the ubuntu update?
[05:58] <nalioth> toresbe: i dont think you can sudo sh something
[05:58] <jc_c> seth_k: my personal most awaited feature is NetworkManager :)
[05:58] <seth_k> robotgeek: it's in Breezy now, yes
[05:58] <nalioth> toresbe: i think you have to sudo -s and then sh something in the same terminal
[05:58] <seth_k> jc_c++
[05:58] <helloyo> anyway of adding more keybindings to totem?
[05:59] <robotgeek> nalioth: sudo ./script works!
[05:59] <dh0> crimsun: audigy sound blaster ct4170
[05:59] <ekho> toresbe?
[05:59] <ekho> r u there?
[05:59] <crimsun> dh0: erm, audigy ct4170?
[05:59] <nalioth> robotgeek: if the script is 'executable'
[05:59] <robotgeek> seth_k: i was trying to get my friend to move over to ubuntu, his touchpad wudn't work
[05:59] <robotgeek> nalioth: true
[05:59] <firebird318> Where can I get the Headers Package for Ubuntu 5.04
[05:59] <nalioth> robotgeek: and the winmac_fstab isnt when it downloads
[05:59] <dh0> i pulled audigy out of my ass
[06:00] <dh0> sound blaster ct4170
[06:00] <crimsun> yeah, you definitely pulled that one out
[06:00] <dh0> oops
[06:00] <crimsun> it's an isa card, which means you need to use snd_sb16
[06:00] <dh0> dunno why i thought that
[06:00] <dh0> okay
[06:01] <robotgeek> nalioth: do a chmod +x script
[06:01] <dh0> where would i find that? i quick search of apt didnt get it
[06:01] <supernix> has anyone here tried Koffice against OpenOffice ?
[06:01] <dh0> crimsun: ^
[06:01] <crimsun> dh0: open a terminal and sudo modprobe snd_sb16
[06:01] <dh0> ah cool
[06:01] <robotgeek> nalioth: to make it executable
[06:02] <dh0> no errors
[06:02] <nalioth> robotgeek: yes i know how to do it
[06:02] <nalioth> robotgeek: thank you
[06:02] <parkbench> AIE: still having the same problem as a week ago. wireless on my ubuntubox just refuses to work. i'm so desperate to delve into ubuntu but i have had 0 chance and i hate it :( i've tried anything...anyone care to trial and error with me?
[06:02] <blrich> could someone help? i'm having a problem playing movies with sound in mplayer. followed the 'unofficial ubuntu guide' to get mplayer in, it works fine, but whenever i play a movie with sound, literally every frame an error window pops up saying 'alsa-control: unable to find simple control PCM,0'
[06:02] <dh0> that it?
[06:02] <crimsun> dh0: good, now unmute the Master and PCM sliders
[06:02] <crimsun> (and of course increase the volumes)
[06:02] <ekho> i'm so confuse....
[06:02] <ekho> please....
[06:02] <ekho> help me...
[06:03] <robotgeek> nalioth: sorry!
[06:03] <nickrud> blrich I would recommend removing the stuff from the ubuntuguide, and getting the ubuntu supported mplayer. You'll have better support here.
[06:03] <dh0> master?
[06:03] <spermie_411> how do u kill a progrsm that froze?
[06:03] <ekho> toresbe : where are u ?
[06:03] <dh0> i presume you are refering to aumix, right
[06:03] <crimsun> dh0: you may not have a master. Look at alsamixer or amixer.
[06:03] <blrich> nickrud, how do i get that? mplayer isn't in apt-cache normally
[06:03] <blrich> spermie_411, killall program-name
[06:04] <nickrud> blrich yes, it's in multiverse, I'll do a couple of ubotu things
[06:04] <nickrud> !components
[06:04] <ubotu> from memory, components is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[06:04] <nickrud> !repositories
[06:04] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:04] <robotgeek> !repositories
[06:04] <chris__> ah....xmms locked up, how do I shut down something that stops responding?
[06:04] <robotgeek> doesn't work :)
[06:05] <GigaClon> !esd
[06:05] <ubotu> [esd]  Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously.
[06:05] <dh0> crimsun: ok. i do have it. it is up
[06:05] <dh0> what now?
[06:05] <reka> chris__: killall xmms
[06:05] <crimsun> dh0: unmute the Master and/or PCM elements
[06:05] <chris__> reka: Thank you!
[06:05] <dh0> i slip them up. does that count?
[06:05] <reka> chris__: if it locked up, you might want to try changing the output plugin to esound in preferences
[06:05] <crimsun> yes
[06:06] <dh0> or is that not what u mean
[06:06] <crimsun> dh0: but you need to unmute them, too
[06:06] <nalioth> chris__: you can do Applications > Run Application > xkill and then touch the magic wand on the offensive program
[06:06] <dh0> how do i do that
[06:06] <crimsun> dh0: which program are you using?
[06:06] <reka> chris__: you might also want to have a look at beep-media-player: it's a prettier xmms clone
[06:06] <dh0> amixer
[06:06] <spermie_411> for real tho, can someone gimmie that web address for k weather , so i can get my station i need because it wont let me type it in for some reason
[06:06] <crimsun> dh0: then use amixer sset 'element' on
[06:06] <nalioth> reka: where you been hiding?
[06:06] <pinko> good evening, gents.
[06:07] <reka> nalioth: been a little busy :)
[06:07] <chris__> reka: can it play mp3s?
[06:07] <nalioth> so i see
[06:07] <reka> chris__: it's an xmms clone :)
[06:07] <blrich> nickrud, should i just add all four subtypes to each repository line?
[06:07] <dh0> crimsun: i'm sorry. not sure what you mean. i dont see anything that sayss element
[06:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok something in gnome is busted >.<
[06:07] <nalioth> chris__: you need to install the libs for mp3 and dvd and stuff
[06:07] <reka> nalioth: actually, the few times i dropped in, you were either sleeping or working.
[06:08] <crimsun> dh0: replace element with Master, PCM, etc.
[06:08] <nickrud> !sources
[06:08] <ubotu> I heard sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[06:08] <nalioth> reka: well, i need to slow down some, then
[06:08] <crimsun> dh0: here, just paste the output from amixer onto the pastebin in the topic
[06:08] <pinko> I wonder about stream capturing, especially of a rm file being offered through rtsp://.  any advice?
[06:08] <nickrud> blrich a sec, let me get my favorite link for that
[06:08] <reka> chris__: you don't need an mp3 lib if you're using xmms or bmp.  they come with their own
[06:08] <Tim> Anyone familiar with Gnopernicus?
[06:08] <skullfire> hey all
[06:08] <dh0> oops, i am using alsamixer my bad
[06:09] <crimsun> dh0: ok, then press 'm' to unmute
[06:09] <GigaClon> is there a way I can setup a program to bypass esd?
[06:09] <skullfire> im having some trouble installing ubuntu 5.04 from my CD
[06:09] <dh0> heh ok thanks
[06:09] <chris__> reka: bmp doesn't appear to be in the package manager :-X
[06:09] <GigaClon> chris__:
[06:09] <reka> chris__: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:09] <dh0> crimsun: i didnt get any feedback when i pressed m. is that ok?
[06:09] <GigaClon> reka beat me to it
[06:09] <nickrud> blrich https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExampleConffiles , the better organized version
[06:10] <reka> GigaClon: :)
[06:10] <crimsun> dh0: just paste amixer onto the pastebin in the topic
[06:10] <dh0> k
[06:10] <Tim> I've got it all installed but having trouble iwth the speech output.
[06:10] <skullfire> when i boot ubuntu from the Live-CD, the startup freezes after looking for "mice" on PS-2 devices
[06:10] <skullfire> wny ideas?
[06:10] <edamron> what file do I edit to make the ugidd service start at boot?
[06:10] <reka> skullfire: telling us what kind of trouble you're having might help :)
[06:10] <nalioth> chris__: it may be called beep media player
[06:10] <crimsun> (it's beep-media-player)
[06:10] <dh0> thanks for your patience crimsun
[06:11] <dh0> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/508
[06:12] <crimsun> dh0: you need to increase Master and PCM
[06:12] <IcemanV9> did anyone have experience with firefox shuts down for NO reason?? i could not find core or any error messages .. is that bug??
[06:12] <sizzam> whats the best way to go about updating my kernel?  i updated it, but im having all sorts of problems, had to go back to the old one
[06:12] <nalioth> IcemanV9: thats a hint, lol
[06:12] <firebird318> On my computer with Ubuntu I can only get a screen resolution of 640x480. Why is this and what can I do to fix it? Can anyone help me?
[06:12] <GigaClon> is there any way to have a program bypass esd
[06:13] <GigaClon> !resolution
[06:13] <ubotu> from memory, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:13] <nalioth> !tell firebird318 about resolution
[06:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i broke the sound in gnome >.<
[06:13] <crimsun> GigaClon: assuming the program allows you to pick a sound api, yes
[06:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> this sucks
[06:13] <firebird318> I will check that link out. Thanks
[06:13] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: paste the output of the following to the pastebin in the topic: cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer
[06:13] <chris__> you guys are so helpful it's amazing
[06:14] <dh0> crimsun: i set them to max with alsamixer
[06:14] <Velcan> nickrud:  do you know if there is a plugin for rythymbox to be able to edit id3 tags?
[06:14] <skullfire> reka-any idea?
[06:14] <dh0> what next?
[06:14] <GigaClon> crimsun, it checks for me
[06:14] <IcemanV9> nalioth: dang .. will check the bugzilla once more to make sure it's there or not
[06:14] <crimsun> dh0: have you used aplay to test whether sound is played?
[06:14] <nickrud> Velcan not yet, I use easytag for that
[06:14] <dh0> i have not
[06:14] <crimsun> dh0: then use aplay to play one of the wav files in /usr/share/sounds/
[06:15] <crimsun> GigaClon: which app?
[06:15] <GigaClon> StepMania
[06:15] <Velcan> i love the organization of rythymbox but i have quite a few songs with broken id3 tags getting sorted into the 'unknown' category
[06:15] <skullfire> when i boot ubuntu from the Live-CD, the startup freezes after looking for "mice" on PS-2 devices
[06:15] <skullfire> any ideas?
[06:15] <nickrud> Velcan easytag has a very unintuitive interface, but it'll do just about anything
[06:15] <reka> skullfire: so it freezes *after* the mouse detection, not during?
[06:15] <GigaClon> and before you ask it can't use ESD due to latancy issues
[06:15] <skullfire> welll
[06:15] <Velcan> cool
[06:16] <skullfire> i dont know
[06:16] <skullfire> it says
[06:16] <nalioth> well, y'all keep up the good work
[06:16] <skullfire> mice: ----------- PS2 device something
[06:16] <blrich> nickrud, thanks =)
[06:16] <skullfire> and well.. it just stays there
[06:16] <crimsun> GigaClon: then just use oss
[06:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> http://pastebin.com/311666
[06:16] <dh0> i ran it. crimsun yeah it definately worked. and somehow managed to make me jump. threw the headphones. lol
[06:16] <dh0> thanks a lot
[06:16] <skullfire> i can type on the next line too
[06:16] <crimsun> dh0: so sound works. You need to do this: echo "snd_sb16" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[06:17] <skullfire> and i was pressing keys about 3 minutes after waiting
[06:17] <crimsun> dh0: that way sound will work automatically
[06:17] <skullfire> and i pressed PRINTSCR key and this error shows up hehe
[06:17] <skullfire> but still
[06:17] <GigaClon> both ALSA and OSS are being used by esd
[06:17] <skullfire> i cant test ubuntu!
[06:17] <dh0> tee, never heard of that one. okay thanks a lot crimsun. really appreciate it
[06:17] <skullfire> perhaps with advanced options?
[06:17] <crimsun> GigaClon: so either configure esd to release the device /dev/dsp after a very short idle period, or use esdctl to stop it yourself
[06:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> crimsun http://pastebin.com/311666
[06:18] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: yes, I see
[06:18] <dh0> crimsun: that will use /dev/dsp, right?
[06:18] <reka> skullfire: not really sure.... but:  [1]  does the CD work on another computer? [2]  what mouse do you have?
[06:18] <jerry> ekho
[06:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh diden't know if you got it sorry
[06:18] <crimsun> dh0: esd on Ubuntu is configured by default to use /dev/dsp through ALSA's OSS emulation, yes
[06:18] <ekho> boss
[06:18] <jerry> yess
[06:19] <jc_c> hey anyone has a gmail invite for me?
[06:19] <skullfire> i have a usb mouse
[06:19] <ekho> boss jerry...
[06:19] <dh0> jc_c i have like a thouasand
[06:19] <dh0> whats ur email?
[06:19] <jerry> iye kenape
[06:19] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: mute Capture
[06:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[06:19] <GigaClon> crimsun how do I do that
[06:19] <ekho> gw mo liat file windows gimane ye?
[06:19] <skullfire> standard DELL dimension mouse
[06:19] <reka> skullfire: and number [1]  ?
[06:19] <jerry> ....
[06:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> done
[06:19] <jerry> ini pake apa ?
[06:19] <jerry> ubuntu ya ?
[06:20] <dh0> jc_c: ???
[06:20] <skullfire> havent tested it
[06:20] <ekho> root terminal
[06:20] <skullfire> but i thought the cd was damaged
[06:20] <skullfire> so i burnt it
[06:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[06:20] <ekho> iya gw pake ubuntu...
[06:20] <skullfire> and tried the burnt disk.. but still
[06:20] <chris__> rena: bmp locks up when I go to play a mp3 as well
[06:20] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: also, mute Headphone if it still doesn't work
[06:20] <IcemanV9> skullfire: unplug and replug the mouse
[06:20] <crimsun> chris__: make sure you select the esound output plugin if you're using default Ubuntu sound config
[06:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok ^_^
[06:21] <skullfire> when?
[06:21] <jc_c> dh0: I messaged it to you
[06:21] <ekho> boss?
[06:21] <skullfire> when it freezes?
[06:21] <blrich> anyone know a good graphical mixer application for alsa? trying to get my external soundcard working
[06:21] <skullfire> or right now?
[06:21] <chris__> crimsun: How do I do that?
[06:21] <ekho> jerry : Boss
[06:21] <IcemanV9> skullfire: as of now
[06:21] <crimsun> chris__: Preferences
[06:21] <dh0> oh, crap how do i switch to a message in irssi?
[06:21] <skullfire> why so.. its working alright
[06:21] <jerry> Lineighboorhood ada nga /
[06:21] <crimsun> blrich: alsamixer-gui, Volume Control, KMix, etc.
[06:21] <ekho> dimana tuh?
[06:22] <dh0> jc_c, hold on. if i leave the chanel, i will be right back
[06:22] <jerry> file transfer
[06:22] <crimsun> blrich: sorry, that first one is alsamixergui
[06:22] <s0lid> how can i change the refresh rate of my monitor
[06:22] <IcemanV9> skullfire: it happened to me before .. something with the interrupt .. it wouldn't let go until you unplug the mouse .. it's weird, but works
[06:22] <skullfire> hmm
[06:22] <skullfire> ok
[06:22] <skullfire> ill try that
[06:22] <ekho> gw pake bhs Indonesia linuxnya...
[06:22] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: also, your PCM is set kinda low
[06:22] <skullfire> right now im on windows
[06:22] <crimsun> ChurcH_of_FoamY: try increasing it
[06:22] <skullfire> and its working fine
[06:22] <skullfire> so
[06:23] <skullfire> u wnat me to unplug
[06:23] <skullfire> replug
[06:23] <skullfire> restart
[06:23] <skullfire> run liveCD right?
[06:23] <s0lid> how can i change the refresh rate of my monitor
[06:23] <frank> I just reinstalled ubuntu and I accidently forgot to tar my backed up files so now that they're all loaded back they are chmodded 644 and are all octet-streams. Any quick way to fix this?
[06:23] <IcemanV9> skullfire: sometimes you'll unplug the mouse 'til livecd runs through .. then plug in the mouse
[06:24] <IcemanV9> skullfire: i have usb mouse right next to me :)
[06:24] <jerry> gue nga hapal kalau pake ubuntu
[06:24] <jerry> soalnya setiap window beda2 semua distro
[06:25] <jerry> coba lo ke prompt #
[06:25] <reka> jerry, ekho: would you guys mind using /msg?
[06:25] <frank> how would i go about changeing the mimetype of a lot of files?
[06:25] <skullfire> hmm ok
[06:26] <jerry> hello reka
[06:26] <skullfire> ice, will u be here for a while
[06:26] <skullfire> im gonna test this
[06:26] <dh0> i am having a strange network issue. sometimes when i boot 50% eth0 never gets brought up. i dont know whats up. and my attempts to do it manually (probobly incorectly) fail
[06:26] <IcemanV9> skullfire: yep
[06:26] <nickrud> frank just what do you mean by that?
[06:26] <skullfire> thx
[06:27] <Madpilot> has anyone gotten one of those combo printer-scanner units working OK in Ubuntu?
[06:27] <Chrisxx> Thank you to whomever that was that suggested the esound plugin :)
[06:27] <nickrud> frank the mime type is usually determined by the actual file type, if I recall correctly
[06:27] <crimsun> Chrisxx: yw
[06:27] <Chrisxx> Ubuntu is amazing :) Supports my 9600 and onboard sound out of the box
[06:27] <Madpilot> a relative has one, and I'd like to get them converted to U seamlessly...
[06:28] <reka> Chrisxx: 1st linux distro?
[06:28] <blrich> crimsun, i installed and ran alsamixergui because i've used that before, and it now says: no mixer elems found
[06:28] <blrich> crimsun, i'm presuming that's bad
[06:28] <Chrisxx> I tried debian, but I couldn't get the resolution to change from 800x600
[06:28] <crimsun> blrich: cat /proc/asound/modules
[06:28] <Chrisxx> then I came here
[06:28] <reka> Chrisxx: that's a common problem in ubuntu as well.
[06:29] <ekho> some can give tutorial for ubuntu?
[06:29] <Chrisxx> it defaulted to 1600x1200 for me
[06:29] <crimsun> ekho: try the wiki
[06:29] <Wheatley> Does a default install of Ubuntu have a firewall that would block port 27015? I'm trying to host a CS:S dedicated server but no connections from WAN are getting in.
[06:29] <Chrisxx> which is just about perfect
[06:29] <crimsun> Wheatley: no daemons listen on external interfaces, so no firewall runs.
[06:29] <ekho> what its that?
[06:30] <reka> Chrisxx: nice.  at a guess, looks like ubuntu detected your montor correctly while debian did not.
[06:30] <ekho> crimsun: what its wiki?
[06:30] <frank> hey is there a way or a program to "smartly" assign a mime-type because all of my files were set to octet streams and now its a hassle to do anything
[06:30] <Wheatley> crimsun: hmmm. So any idea why the connections wouldn't be getting through?
[06:30] <crimsun> ekho: http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:30] <crimsun> Wheatley: look at your cable modem/router
[06:30] <Chrisxx> reka: May have been, I'm a fan of high resolutions so this works great for me
[06:31] <Chrisxx> and I've found that theres nothing I can do in windows that I can't in linux
[06:31] <IcemanV9> Chrisxx: 1600x1200 .. nice size! can do many tasks on ONE desktop screen - impress friends & co-worker ;)
[06:31] <Chrisxx> plus linux seems to run faster than windows
[06:31] <crimsun> blrich: still waiting
[06:32] <Wheatley> crimsun: The router is configured correctly. It forwards port 27015 to the local IP of that machine. :-/
[06:32] <Madpilot> hmmm... anyone running Lexmark scanner-printer combos under Ubuntu?
[06:32] <crimsun> Wheatley: there is no firewall running on Ubuntu by default. You need to make sure you don't have other software running that mucks with that.
[06:32] <Chrisxx> Now I have to start making my desktop beautiful ;-)
[06:33] <Madpilot> Chrisxx: for eye candy: http://www.gnome-look.org/  :)
[06:33] <mortarhate> shouldn't blackbox and enlightenment at least attempt to populate the menu's on their own?
[06:33] <blrich> crimsun, 0 snd_usb_audio
[06:33] <blrich> crimsun, it's an Edirol UA-5 external soundbox, of course linux probably doesn't have drivers but I'm surprised it can't even change the volume on it. weirdly enough, sound does comes through, but I'm playing a movie or something I get similar errors about no miser controls etc.
[06:33] <blrich> *mixer
[06:33] <Wheatley> Hmm, I'm going to try a different port and see what happens
[06:33] <GigaClon> ALSA error: pcm_hw.c:1158 snd_pcm_hw_open: open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed (Device or resource busy)
[06:33] <mortarhate> all other distro's i used they do
[06:33] <GigaClon> fuser show nothing
[06:34] <crimsun> blrich: it works fine. You need a newer version of alsa-driver, though. Use alsa-source from universe.
[06:34] <crimsun> !tell blrich about alsa-source
[06:34] <Chrisxx> Madpilot: Thanks for the recommendation, I'm also going to have to get some widgets
[06:34] <GigaClon> ALSA driver 1.0.6
[06:34] <mortarhate> i guess i just have to make the whole menu by hand ):
[06:34] <blrich> crimsun, waiting for what?
[06:34] <Madpilot> Chrisxx: lots of panel toys included in Ubuntu...
[06:35] <blrich> crimsun, okay i'll check out alsa-source
[06:35] <crimsun> blrich: what you just said
[06:35] <Chrisxx> Madpilot: What do you mean?  How do I access them?
[06:35] <crimsun> GigaClon: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[06:35] <IcemanV9> Chrisxx: try industrial + bright + gperfection2 (for theme)
[06:35] <GigaClon> nothing
[06:36] <Madpilot> Chrisxx: right-click on either the top or bottom panel of Ubuntu. select "add to panel". pick toys & programs!
[06:36] <crimsun> GigaClon: then try again
[06:36] <Chrisxx> I'm going to install gdesklets as well
[06:36] <blrich> crimsun, thanks =)
[06:36] <Madpilot> Chrisxx: Wanda The Fish is mandantory! ;)
[06:37] <blrich> crimsun, "If you agree then the ALSA drivers will be built with support for the isa-pnp driver" should i say yes?
[06:37] <crimsun> blrich: no. And say yes to debug.
[06:37] <crimsun> blrich: then choose the usb driver.
[06:37] <GigaClon> crimsun stepmania 10998 gigaclon  mem    CHR 116,16      7959 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[06:37] <GigaClon> stepmania 10998 gigaclon    7u   CHR 116,16      7959 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[06:38] <hanasaki> is there a thing like deibans make-kpkg?
[06:38] <crimsun> GigaClon: looks fine to me (stepmania has grabbed the alsa sound devices)
[06:38] <blrich> crimsun, okay building usb driver, unchecked 'all' as well
[06:38] <crimsun> hanasaki: yes, kernel-package is available
[06:38] <GigaClon> hmm
[06:38] <hanasaki> k
[06:38] <hanasaki> brb
[06:38] <GigaClon> must be a bug in program
[06:38] <blrich> should i also uninstall also-utils or any of that other stuff too?
[06:39] <crimsun> blrich: don't touch the other alsa stuff
[06:39] <hanasaki> hmm this is all on gcc 3.3 not 4.x?
[06:39] <hanasaki> gotcha
[06:39] <GigaClon> whats the current alsa driver number?
[06:39] <crimsun> 1.0.9b
[06:39] <GigaClon> I have 1.0.6
[06:40] <crimsun> there's no compelling reason to update unless you have one of the very new sound chipsets
[06:40] <Chrisxx> Wanda the fish has been added ;-)
[06:40] <hanasaki> is there a make-jpkg too?
[06:40] <crimsun> hanasaki: java-package, yes
[06:41] <GigaClon> good night all
[06:41] <hanasaki> hmm whats it in.. i have universe but no java-package
[06:42] <Madpilot> Wanda The Fish says, "Today's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. -- Hunter S. Thompson"... :)
[06:43] <crimsun> hanasaki: multiverse
[06:43] <hanasaki> something new to learn
[06:43] <hanasaki> whts that
[06:43] <parkbench> OH MY GOD
[06:43] <crimsun> license-restricted repo
[06:43] <parkbench> I...GOT...WIRELES...WORKING
[06:43] <parkbench> oh my god. oh my god :O
[06:43] <nickrud> !components
[06:43] <parkbench> :OOO
[06:43] <ubotu> somebody said components was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[06:43] <crimsun> 'grats, parkbench
[06:44] <nickrud> hanasaki that components will tell you about multiverse
[06:44] <sinferno> whats a good soulseek client
[06:44] <IcemanV9> parkbench: are you running FREE with laptop in the park?? :P
[06:44] <parkbench> crimsun: thank you
[06:44] <hanasaki> wow.. mroe new.. whats soulseek
[06:44] <crimsun> sinferno: nicotine
[06:44] <parkbench> oh my god im cryign with tears of joy
[06:44] <mortarhate> soulseek
[06:44] <deFrysk> soulseek, is it still around ?
[06:44] <sinferno> crimsun, thnx i saw several and wasnt sure which to get
[06:44] <marcel_> Does anyone know how to make linux printing equal to windows printing, quality wise? My printer is a HP 656C and the fonts look too blocky when printed
[06:45] <mortarhate> only for winblows afaik
[06:45] <parkbench> yeah soulseeks still around
[06:45] <sinferno> deFrysk, yeah i have been using it for years
[06:45] <parkbench> i download thirty fourty albums from slsk a day
[06:45] <sinferno> soulseek is the best for getting full albums beside bittorrent
[06:46] <spartacus> hi. how do i use my windows fonts in ubuntu?
[06:46] <parkbench> yeah
[06:46] <parkbench> SO GUYS
[06:46] <reka> marcel_: you checked the quality settings in printer prefs/settings?
[06:46] <parkbench> what do you suggest i do first? app-wise, i guess? i already have several things in mind, but i want to hear your opinions
[06:46] <spartacus> to which folder am i supposed to copy the fonts to? to ~/.fonts ?
[06:46] <Marble2> what do I need to install to get totem-xine to play a .mkv file?
[06:46] <parkbench> ubuntu is my first foray into linux
[06:46] <parkbench> and im very happy it works now
[06:46] <nickrud> marcel_ you can try the gimpprint drivers, they are supposed to be good for hp's
[06:46] <spartacus> parkbench, http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:46] <hanasaki> hmm i dont want multiverse.. i want a pakcage like in deiban that makes a .deb from the sundownload
[06:47] <Chrisxx> Sorry to ask a stupid question, but what is a daemon?
[06:47] <reka> Marble2: you mean .mov?
[06:47] <hanasaki> backrond process
[06:47] <Chrisxx> I thought that was the BSD mascot <_<;
[06:47] <deFrysk> sinferno, nicotine seemt the app to use for soulseek
[06:47] <hanasaki> that does stuff
[06:47] <hanasaki> lke an email sever
[06:47] <marcel_> reka: Yep
[06:47] <deFrysk> seems#
[06:47] <dh0> i am having a strange network issue. sometimes when i boot 50% eth0 never gets brought up. i dont know whats up. and my attempts to do it manually (probobly incorectly) fail
[06:47] <Marble2> reka: no, .mkv
[06:47] <marcel_> nickrud: Oh? Better than HPIJS? HP's offical driver?
[06:48] <spartacus> Chrisxx, something that runs on its own. without intervention once started
[06:48] <frank> does anyone know how to chmod 755 all directories in ~ ?
[06:48] <Marble2> matroska video file
[06:48] <Chrisxx> ah, okay thank you
[06:48] <nickrud> marcel_ well, on my hp940, yes, they were a lot slower, but better print quality
[06:48] <Chrisxx> I kept hearing it repeatedly but didn't know what was meant by it
[06:48] <spartacus> hi. how do i use my windows fonts in ubuntu?  to which folder am i supposed to copy them?
[06:48] <spermie_411> is there any way I can make the boot up quicker, and make the letters littler because there huge????
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> frank, chmod 755 /home/username -R
[06:49] <marcel_> nickrud: How old is a 940?
[06:49] <Madpilot> spartacus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[06:49] <Madpilot> !fonts
[06:49] <ubotu> Madpilot: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[06:49] <Frank_dot> Marble2: vlc is the best player for .mkv and subtitles and everything
[06:49] <hanasaki> is gcc 4 available for ubuntu
[06:49] <Madpilot> ubotu fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[06:49] <ubotu> okay, Madpilot
[06:49] <spartacus> spermie_411, you can remove what you do not need from startup.. man update-rc.d. and you need to set the vga mode to something different in your grub config
[06:50] <spartacus> Madpilot, thanks :)
[06:50] <nickrud> marcel_ well, I bought it in 2001 or 2, I think
[06:50] <Marble2> Frank_dot: I've tried VLC but I could never get my audio working, I'd rather just be able to play it in totem
[06:50] <reka> Marble2: gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[06:51] <Marble2> reka: I already have that
[06:51] <reka> Marble2: hmm, the package info says it has matroska decoding
[06:51] <frank> marble2: gst-register-0.8 ?
[06:52] <Frank_dot> hanasaki: yes gcc 4 is in universe
[06:52] <spartacus> Madpilot, thanks. works now
[06:52] <Chrisxx> Thanks guys, I think you just made linux my new OS for pretty much everything except for BattleField 2
[06:52] <Chrisxx> :-)
[06:52] <spermie_411> so i dont need update-rc.d ?
[06:52] <marcel_> ok
[06:52] <Madpilot> is there any way to get ubotu to list all the ! commands he knows? In private chat, obviously...
[06:53] <Marble2> frank: couldn't find that package to install
[06:53] <hanasaki> oh dam.. just found out.. gcc4 wont do kernel 2.11 sup w/ that. .i get compile errors!
[06:53] <hanasaki> back to 3.
[06:53] <Frank_dot> u-bot-u ...took me a long time to get that one!
[06:53] <frank> marble2: its not a package its like an update thing
[06:53] <frank> marble2: so just type gst-register-0.8 at the command line
[06:53] <Marble2> it's not in the apt-get repositories...
[06:53] <Marble2> ohhh
[06:54] <Jogariga> i just installed ubuntu on my powerbook but i haven't found a way to control the britness of the screen. anyone know?
[06:54] <Marble2> still nothing
[06:54] <nickrud> Marble2 you can find out what package gst-register-0.8 belongs to at packages.ubuntu.com
[06:54] <Marble2> i rna gst-register-0.8, but it still won't play
[06:56] <frank> marble2: do you have all of these (theyre just listed in the guide and yes theyre packages) w32codecs, gstreamer0.8-plugins, gstreamer0.8-lame, lame, sox, ffmpeg, mjpegtools, vorbis-tools
[06:56] <hanasaki> hmm isnt xorg supposed to do real tranparencies?
[06:56] <Madpilot> Frank_dot: ubotu is a very useful creature...
[06:56] <Madpilot> ! good bot
[06:56] <ubotu> thanks madpilot :)
[06:56] <nickrud> ooh, a good list frank
[06:56] <frank> ! good bot
[06:56] <frank> whoa thats cool
[06:57] <frank> ! bad bot
[06:57] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, frank
[06:57] <Frank_dot> ! good bot
[06:57] <ubotu> thanks frank_dot :)
[06:58] <frank> bah it hates me
[06:58] <nickrud> no, the bot just knows it's worth :)
[06:59] <IcemanV9> is there a better way to put "xconsole" message on the desktop background without terminal??
[06:59] <reval> I was wondering if anyone knows the solution to even install a 32 bit application like cedega on a 64 bit ubuntu os
[06:59] <Jogariga> anyone with ubuntu on a powerbook?
[06:59] <Frank_dot> reval: you need to install a chroot
[06:59] <reval> Frank_dot: how do I do that?
[06:59] <frank> bah i hate chroot
[07:00] <Marble2> frank: yes I do
[07:00] <nickrud> IcemanV9 as best I recall, there is now way with using nautilus, but there are some tools for kde or other wm's
[07:00] <reka> Jogariga: you mean those special buttons on your k/b?  search ubuntuforums.org for topics while you wait.
[07:00] <Jogariga> reka: ok
[07:00] <Chrisxx> you all were right, wanda the fish is funny
[07:00] <nickrud> heh, I've always thought chroot was the greatest thing unix had to offer
[07:01] <pixelmonkey> I am able to browse Windows shares under xsmbrowser, but not with Nautilus.  What am I missing here?
[07:01] <frank> marble2: solved your problem. sudo apt-get install libmatroska-dev
[07:01] <reka> Chrisxx: that'd be the backend program: fortune.  wanda's just a pretty face :)
[07:01] <Chrisxx> :-P
[07:01] <Marble2> still got nothing :(
[07:02] <Frank_dot> reval: search the forums for how to setup a 32bit chroot...  but my advice is to simply install the i386 version of Ubuntu. That's what I did after a few months and all of the pain is gone
[07:03] <nickrud> hanasaki I think xtransset is what you want for transparency, when I have a better machine I'll look into it myself
[07:03] <reval> Frank_dot: 32 bit os's.. do they suffer any lackings under a 64 bit processor?
[07:03] <frank> marble2: i thought you said the file was "matroska" codec or something
[07:03] <Marble2> it is
[07:03] <Marble2> .mkv file
[07:03] <Marble2> i installed that, totem still errors
[07:03] <Frank_dot> reval: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[07:04] <supernix> I was curious does the system send out emails ?
[07:04] <Marble2> it says it can't play "XviD format", however, I have played lots of .avi and other files encoded with XviD, and I only get this error playing .mkv files
[07:05] <reval> Frank_dot: do 32 bit programs run better in a chroot in 64 or just in a native 32?
[07:05] <Frank_dot> reval: unless you do do heavy audio/video encoding you're probably not gonna see a difference. I don't see any. Apparently 32bit is 10-15% slower than the same program compiled in 64bit on average.
[07:06] <reval> Frank_dot: so even if the program is 32 bit, there's an improvement if you run it in 64 but under an emulator?
[07:06] <nickrud> supernix some daemons do, and you may get some emails about installed packages
[07:06] <reval> Frank_dot: I'm all about performance, heh
[07:06] <Frank_dot> reval: no,
[07:06] <Velcan> is there a simple way to make mplayer disable the screensaver when a video is playing?
[07:07] <Velcan> or actually to disable all power management in general
[07:07] <supernix> hmmm how can I recieve those system messages ?
[07:07] <firebird318> I am having trouble installing my modem. I am at the point where it asks "Where is the directory of C header files that match your running kernel?" I was in this chat room earlier and I was told to install the headers package which under the Synaptic Package Manager there are four different packages. I installed two "linux-headers-2.6.10-5 and linux-kernel-headers. This did not solve my problem so I tried installing the other two packa
[07:07] <firebird318> linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 and linux-headers-386. When I installed the last two it automatically entered the directory but it said that the kernel version defined does not match the currently running kernel. Can anyone help me with this problem?
[07:09] <nickrud> supernix they are sent to root; /etc/aliases can be set to send root mail to a particular user. I think the standard ubuntu install sets up root mail to be sent to the initial user.
[07:09] <reka> firebird318: what does "uname -r" output?
[07:09] <supernix> oic ok and how do you retrieve those?
[07:10] <firebird318> 2.6.10-5-386
[07:10] <firebird318> I had those headers installed but it give that message I typed. It says they didn't match
[07:11] <firebird318> If I have the 2 packages with the 386 in the name installed, do I have to have the other 2 uninstalled
[07:11] <nickrud> supernix If those mails have not made it into your initial user account, you will find them in either /var/mail/root, or /root
[07:11] <supernix> ah ok ty
[07:13] <D1> is anyone using NetworkManager in Breezy?
[07:13] <sizzam> hey everyone
[07:14] <Frank_dot> is it possible to revert from Breezy to hoary/
[07:14] <nickrud> hi sizzam
[07:14] <nickrud> Frank_dot supposedly, but I personally would do a fresh install
[07:14] <sizzam> the nvidia drivers for my geforce 440 card work in the 2...10 i386 kernel, but won't work in the same k7 kernel
[07:15] <Frank_dot> nickrud: I haven't updated to breezy, I was just wondering if I could "try" it
[07:15] <concept10> Anyone know where I can get someone to draw me a website logo for free?
[07:15] <nickrud> Frank_dot I've dedicated a partition to breezy, so I can play freely
[07:15] <reka> Frank_dot: be warned that it's still in development.
[07:15] <Frank_dot> I hadn't planned ahead for that
[07:15] <nickrud> play being the operative word here
[07:16] <Frank_dot> reka: I know.
[07:19] <nickrud> Frank_dot you may want to take a look at gparted; you may be able to free up enough space for a partition to run breezy on
[07:19] <concept10> jasoncohen, are you awake?
[07:19] <Frank_dot> nickrud: can it reseize partitions painlessly? without losing everything?
[07:20] <capi> Frank_dot, yes as long as you don't make them smaller then the files on the partition
[07:20] <supernix> nickrud I see that I do have messages but not sure how to get them is it possible to retrieve them using Kmail ?
[07:20] <nickrud> Frank_dot that's the idea. I've never had to use it, since I've always made a bunch of small partitions to play around with
[07:21] <nickrud> supernix yes, you point a new kmail account at the message files.
[07:21] <concept10> What do you guys use to play mp4 videos?  I get no sound from totem or mplayer
[07:21] <Frank_dot> nickrud: I'm starting to see why that's a good idea
[07:21] <nickrud> supernix you can look at them with mutt -f <file> first, to see if it's worth it
[07:21] <Frank_dot> I always have a massive 130 GB partition and a few smaller ones
[07:22] <Jogariga> does anyone know if firefox 1.0.4 is available for ppc?
[07:22] <capi> Frank_dot, how many HDs is that?
[07:23] <Frank_dot> one HD of 160 GBs
[07:23] <nickrud> heh, I ran suse, redhat, lfs, debian, mandrake, and a few others while starting. I needed those partitions :)
[07:24] <Frank_dot> I also have another 160GBs HD but its all ntfs right now
[07:24] <capi> Frank_dot, ah, I was going to say it may be easier to run a stable harddrive and play with the other one as testing, but that doesn't work now, heh
[07:24] <capi> *hits backspace rapidly* It doesn't work. :(
[07:24] <Frank_dot> capi: lol
[07:25] <Frank_dot> capi: Those damn electrons are just too fast! Damn you , Einstein!
[07:26] <capi> I was hoping my computer used Tachyons for the backspace key
[07:26] <Frank_dot> capi: Lets not start a technobabble contest
[07:27] <nickrud> lol, please, tell me how :)
[07:27] <IcemanV9> geez, Frank_dot, you must used 1% of 160G space for OS plus data
[07:28] <IcemanV9> and the rest of HD is waiting to be used :P
[07:28] <Frank_dot> 1.6 GB? a bit more
[07:29] <capi> hehe I was thinking the same thing about his HDs, At least he's not one of those people who use TiB harddrives... thats craziness
[07:29] <firebird318> On Ubuntu, where does it get the root password from. Is the root password the same as the user password that you create during installation
[07:29] <nickrud> I have about 50GB on my drives, and I evny Frank_dot
[07:30] <capi> firebird318, yes I believe so.
[07:30] <nickrud> firebird318 there is no actual root password, I'll pass a link
[07:30] <crimsun> !tell firebird318 about sudo
[07:30] <nickrud> !rootsudo
[07:30] <ubotu> methinks rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:30] <FLeiXiuS> I enjoy my 400GB Maxtor :-D
[07:30] <nickrud> ah, !tell :)
[07:30] <Chrisxx> How can you only have 50gb....
[07:30] <mebaran151> what is the best way to start getting involved in the oss community
[07:30] <firebird318> when I try to login under root, it always says invalid password or something to that effect
[07:30] <mebaran151> I know a little bit of C and little bit of ruby
[07:30] <Chrisxx> <_< I have 3 250 gig hdds
[07:30] <Hmmmmmmm> hi
[07:30] <frank> firebird318: its the same because ubuntu wasnt designed to let you have a session as root other than sudo or su
[07:31] <mebaran151> and enough perl to read stuff
[07:31] <sizzam> anyone know about problems with nvidia drivers on 2.6.10-5-ky?
[07:31] <FLeiXiuS> Chrisxx: raid arrayed?
[07:31] <sizzam> ky = k7
[07:31] <Chrisxx> yes, 5
[07:31] <frank> chrisxx: mirrored?
[07:31] <firebird318> in terminal when I type su root it asks for password so I type that and it always says sorry, authentication failure
[07:31] <Chrisxx> striped
[07:31] <Hmmmmmmm> how do i dual boot ubuntu and windows XP?
[07:31] <crimsun> Hmmmmmmm: presuming you install Ubuntu after Windows XP, grub takes care of that
[07:32] <frank> chrisxx: if theyre striped doesnt that mean you lose everything if one goes down, and how can you fill that much mem?
[07:32] <nickrud> video, how else?
[07:32] <Chrisxx> Hmmmmmmm: install XP then install ubuntu, grub should detect it
[07:32] <Hmmmmmmm> do i have to install ubuntu on a sperate partition?
[07:32] <FLeiXiuS> frank: yes you will loose a lot if one fails...but thats not the point :-P
[07:32] <Frank_dot> sizzam: I use that combination and it seems to work ok
[07:32] <crimsun> Hmmmmmmm: currently, yes
[07:32] <IcemanV9> raid is more safe then striped, i believe
[07:32] <Chrisxx> frank: no, I still have about 66% memory keep, I can loose one hdd and still have the data stored on the others
[07:33] <Chrisxx> lose*
[07:33] <Hmmmmmmm> is grub found on the cd or do i have to download it?
[07:33] <Chrisxx> it should be put onto your Master boot record on install
[07:33] <IcemanV9> grub is installed automatically during the installation
[07:33] <nickrud> Hmmmmmmm the ubuntu install is pretty smart, it will work transparently
[07:33] <parkbench> i have two questions about GNOME environ
[07:33] <Hmmmmmmm> so i just pop in the cd and go?
[07:33] <parkbench> one is, it seems to be awfully slow in loading windows and stuff, even non-internet things
[07:33] <Chrisxx> Pretty much
[07:34] <Frank_dot> sizzam: Maybe you have to get the restricted modules package for k7 as well
[07:34] <parkbench> like windows with many effects on
[07:34] <Chrisxx> just make sure you know how you want your hdd partitioned
[07:34] <crimsun> sizzam: did you install linux-k7 ?
[07:34] <parkbench> and, it seems my resolution is messed up some how: when i maximize things, the very last part on the right gets cut off, so i cant scroll or click x
[07:34] <spermie_411> how DO i turn up my refresh reat on ubuntu, its not letting me =/
[07:34] <nickrud> parkbench that's a pretty vague description, can you be more explicit about what's slow
[07:34] <sizzam> i started off with the i386 kernel
[07:34] <sizzam> that what im using now
[07:34] <reka> Hmmmmmmm: do you have a partition set up already?
[07:34] <spermie_411> how DO i turn up my refresh rate on ubuntu, its not letting me =/
[07:34] <sizzam> nvidia works fine
[07:35] <sizzam> but when i boot into the k7 kernel, x wont start
[07:35] <sizzam> if i change xorg.conf to use nv instead of nvidia, it loads
[07:35] <Chrisxx> spermie_411: System > Preferences > screen resolution
[07:35] <nickrud> parkbench you may need to use the monitor controls to get the screen resized right relative to the windows version of the monitor
[07:35] <Hmmmmmmm> yes i have 3 partitions
[07:35] <crimsun> sizzam: did you install linux-k7?
[07:35] <Chrisxx> spermie_411: you can change refresh rate in there
[07:35] <reka> spermie_411: afaik, it will select the highest rate available for that res that is safe for your monitor
[07:35] <Hmmmmmmm> 1 currently has nothing on it
[07:35] <sizzam> crimsun:  no, i'll grab that
[07:35] <reka> Hmmmmmmm: good to go then :)
[07:35] <parkbench> nickrud: it seems nearly every application or window or action in ubuntu right now is slow--and i just restarted a little whilea go; it's not just internet pages or anything, it seems to take a while to load the look adn feel of each window
[07:36] <spermie_411> actually im using kubuntu sorry i forgot 0=(
[07:36] <Hmmmmmmm> i dont know what version i have but its the one with the picture of 3 people, one girl is wearing orange; anyways can i install this version and patch it to the latest version?
[07:36] <frank> chrisxx, reka: i've had that problem before and it would only let me go up to 1024 on a 1280 monitor
[07:36] <parkbench> kubuntu seems very interesting
[07:36] <parkbench> oh well much too late -_-
[07:36] <frank> so dont trust that settings program
[07:36] <sizzam> crimsun:  anything else i should grab before i reboot?
[07:36] <Chrisxx> frank: I don't have the problem with Ubuntu, its only with Debian
[07:36] <reka> Hmmmmmmm: what version does it say on the packaging?
[07:36] <crimsun> sizzam: do you plan to compile any kernel modules?
[07:37] <Chrisxx> frank: and knoppix
[07:37] <reka> !tell frank about fixres
[07:37] <sizzam> maybe, grab headers/source?
[07:37] <crimsun> sizzam: linux-headers-k7
[07:37] <Hmmmmmmm> where do i look?
[07:37] <sizzam> crimsun:  thanks a ton
[07:37] <Frank_dot> where can you see what ubotu knows about?
[07:37] <sizzam> testing now
[07:37] <Hmmmmmmm> oh 4.10
[07:37] <crimsun> that's Warty, Hmmmmmmm
[07:38] <D1> is anyone using NetworkManager in Breezy with sucess?
[07:38] <spermie_411> it will only let me do 60hz on 1024x768??/
[07:38] <Hmmmmmmm> so its possilbe to install that then patch it up to 5.04?
[07:38] <spermie_411> thats horrible
[07:38] <crimsun> Hmmmmmmm: yes
[07:38] <reka> frank: btw, what you're talking 'bout is resolution, not refresh rates.
[07:38] <Hmmmmmmm> cool
[07:38] <nickrud> Hmmmmmmm absolutely
[07:38] <Hmmmmmmm> thanks guys
[07:38] <reka> i think...
[07:39] <reka> spermie_411: your monitor rates were probably detected wrong...post your xorg.conf to the pastebin in the topic please
[07:40] <pagefault> has anyone had any success getting hibernation to work in hoary?
[07:40] <pagefault> on their laptop that is
[07:40] <crimsun> it works fine on my t41
[07:41] <pagefault> I am having some problems on my dell 600m it shuts down properly but when it boots back up the graphics are corrupt and the system locks up
[07:41] <hyphenated> I haven't attempted it on my dell 6000
[07:41] <IcemanV9> doesn't work on hp ze5185 or n8154
[07:41] <trog_> can't get hibernation on a dell i8000
[07:42] <pagefault> ah ok
[07:42] <pagefault> I just wanted to be sure it wasn't just me :)
[07:42] <firebird318> I am still trying to install my modem, it no longer tells me that the versions don't match, it just tells me ERROR: Module re-compilation and installation failed! It has always told me that and now when I look at the log file that is created, there are a few errors at the end of the file. They are osmemory.c:219: error: called object is not a function        osmemory.c:219: error: syntax error before string constant make[1]  : *** [osme
[07:42] <firebird318> 1 and make: *** [osspec]  Error 2. How can I fix these errors? Can anyone help?
[07:42] <IcemanV9> guess hibernation needs some kinks to iron out
[07:42] <sizzam> crimsun:  that fixed it,  you rock
[07:43] <pagefault> it's extremely slow too
[07:43] <pagefault> almost as fast doing a cold boot
[07:43] <sizzam> my glxgears framerates have gone from about 100 in i386 to 3000's in k7
[07:43] <spermie_411> reka: what did you wabt me to post?
[07:44] <reka> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:44] <crimsun> sizzam: actually Frank_dot suggested it first.
[07:44] <Chrisxx> is there any better aim client than gAIM?
[07:44] <sizzam> oh, i missed that
[07:44] <spermie_411> Section "Monitor"
[07:44] <spermie_411> 	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"
[07:44] <spermie_411> 	Option		"DPMS"
[07:44] <spermie_411> 	HorizSync	28-49
[07:44] <spermie_411> 	VertRefresh	43-72
[07:44] <Chrisxx> its really BIG
[07:44] <sizzam> Frank_dot:  thank you
[07:44] <spermie_411> that part?
[07:44] <Razor-X> anyone here use zsh?
[07:45] <reka> spermie_411: to a paste bin please
[07:45] <reka> but yes
[07:45] <lowell> hi can I join
[07:45] <Razor-X> Chrisxx: that's your choice, really
[07:45] <Razor-X> lowell: of course
[07:45] <reka> spermie_411: now do this: sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange
[07:45] <lowell> thanks
[07:45] <Razor-X> Chrisxx: depends on the features you're looking for
[07:45] <spermie_411> N00b<! dont understand what u mean by paste bin
[07:45] <spermie_411> ok
[07:45] <Razor-X> !paste
[07:45] <Chrisxx> something like trillian
[07:45] <ubotu> hmm... paste is ""http://ubuntu.pastebin.com http://pastebin.com or #flood here on freenode.""
[07:46] <Razor-X> Chrisxx: again, it depends
[07:46] <Razor-X> I prefer the CLI interface, and I do stuff in there
[07:46] <spermie_411> i cant copy and paste it all in here
[07:46] <Razor-X> but foremost comes emacs uniformity, so there it is
[07:46] <reka> spermie_411: in future, don't paste more than a line please
[07:46] <Razor-X> spermie_411: did ja see ubotu?
[07:46] <reka> spermie_411: i already saw the section.
[07:46] <Razor-X> reka: 3 lines or more, actually ;)
[07:46] <Razor-X> *3 lines
[07:46] <reka> spermie_411: just run the command i told you in a terminal
[07:46] <Razor-X> no more than 3 lines is allowed to be pasted, IIRC
[07:47] <spermie_411> I did
[07:47] <reka> Razor-X: ah, ok then :)
[07:47] <Razor-X> except a cowsay ;)
[07:47] <Razor-X> those things pwn
[07:47] <IcemanV9> Chrisxx: i like trillian .. too bad, they don't have linux version
[07:47] <crimsun> Chrisxx: there're bitlbee, naim, centericq, etc.
[07:47] <reka> spermie_411: what's the output?
[07:47] <reka> Razor-X: cowsay?
[07:47] <spermie_411> spermie@Spermie:~$ sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange
[07:47] <spermie_411> spermie@Spermie:~$
[07:47] <Razor-X> reka: sudo aptitude install cowsay
[07:47] <spermie_411> thats all it did
[07:47] <Razor-X> then run 'cowsay moo'
[07:47] <Razor-X> you'll see ;)
[07:47] <reka> spermie_411: ah, ok then
[07:48] <reka> spermie_411: we can't detect your rates automatically....what model is your monitor?
[07:48] <spermie_411> viewSonic  VE155
[07:49] <reka> spermie_411: k, hang on
[07:49] <spermie_411> ok
[07:49] <x55> how is everyone tonight?
[07:49] <spermie_411> how do u all hight light the persons name so u know there talking to you?
[07:50] <spermie_411> high^
[07:50] <frank> you mean like in xchat?
[07:50] <spermie_411> yeah
[07:50] <Razor-X> spermie_411: if I prepend your name to my statement, then it's hilighted for you, in XChat
[07:51] <Razor-X> all names are hilighted on my end (I like it too)
[07:51] <frank> case doesnt matter either, so like Frank_dot shows up in red for me too
[07:51] <spermie_411> Razor-X so this is high lighted to you then?
[07:51] <Razor-X> spermie_411: yes, it is
[07:51] <Razor-X> but, on my client, all names are
[07:51] <spermie_411> alright =)
[07:51] <Razor-X> (like Frank_dot
[07:51] <Razor-X> )
[07:51] <reka> spermie_411: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[07:52] <reka> spermie_411: to make a backup
[07:52] <spermie_411> ok did that
[07:52] <reka> spermie_411: then: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:52] <reka> spermie_411: then change the section you showed me before to this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/509
[07:52] <Razor-X> hmmm... curl can't download recursively?
[07:54] <reka> spermie_411: save the file, close it, then restart X with a ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:55] <ekho> how play mp3?
[07:55] <Hmmmmmmm> where can i find the 4
[07:55] <reka> !tell ekho about restricted
[07:55] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: use wget
[07:55] <Hmmmmmmm> where can i find the 4.10 to 5.04 patch?
[07:55] <x55> is hoary good about detecting card readers/CF cards?
[07:56] <ekho> how to play mp3
[07:56] <anacron> ekho: do you mean, which program do you need for playing mp3's?
[07:56] <ekho> yes
[07:56] <x55> xmms
[07:56] <anacron> ekho: xmms is good
[07:56] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: wget wasn't working
[07:56] <frank> ekho: or the codec?
[07:56] <Chrisxx> x55: Very good
[07:56] <Razor-X> *cough* curl prints output to stdout?
[07:56] <x55> ah good, i haven't even tried yet
[07:56] <Razor-X> :(
[07:56] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: wget works, if wget isn't working, something else is wrong :)
[07:56] <Hmmmmmmm> any can tell me how to patch to the latest version?
[07:57] <crimsun> Hmmmmmmm: you just change your sources.list, update && dist-upgrade
[07:57] <spermie_411> reka alright ill be back in a sec
[07:57] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: then, maybe you can help me wget one page of the Ubuntu wiki and recursive pages one level down
[07:57] <Chrisxx> x55: I've yet to have it fail on any of my pen drives/card readers, even the ones that windows struggles to read
[07:57] <crimsun> Hmmmmmmm: there are instructions on the wiki
[07:57] <frank> ekho: try gstreamer0.8-lame
[07:57] <Chrisxx> x55: But I've yet to try my iPod
[07:57] <x55> i noticed in the forums people have problems hooking up their digital cameras directly
[07:57] <x55> but that seems like a waste of battery....
[07:57] <Chrisxx> x55: hmm, I've never done that honestly
[07:57] <reka> Chrisxx, x55 : *cough* beep-media-player is nicer :)
[07:58] <x55> is it?
[07:58] <x55> i've yet to try it
[07:58] <x55> i'm still fresh to this
[07:58] <Chrisxx> reka: Thats what I'm playing my bill hicks cd in right now :-) thanks for recommending it
[07:58] <reka> x55: it's just prettier.  it's based on xmms
[07:58] <x55> aaah
[07:58] <reka> Chrisxx: yw
[07:58] <Razor-X> I think i'm a play a song in emms ;)
[07:58] <x55> hey, is there a way to get the shoutcast television station playback here on linux?
[07:58] <x55> i really miss those
[07:58] <Razor-X> x55: VLC
[07:59] <Razor-X> !vlc
[07:59] <ubotu> vlc is, like, a media player with native support for a large handfull of popular formatsbb and excellent streaming support
[07:59] <Razor-X> !info vlc
[07:59] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[07:59] <x55> oh nice
[07:59] <Razor-X> I let ubotu do the work for me ;)
[07:59] <Razor-X> hell, I think i'm gonna put those two statements in a macro
[07:59] <concept10> Razor-X, what should I use to watch mp4 files? I get no sound
[07:59] <Razor-X> concept10: in VLC?
[07:59] <reka> Razor-X: cow said moo :)
[08:00] <x55> i've noticed the totem media player is incredibly jerky on all of my videos
[08:00] <x55> is this a normal issue?
[08:00] <Chrisxx> It'd be sweet if foobar2000 would run on linux
[08:00] <x55> i just use gxine now
[08:00] <srbaker> anyone here ahve trouble with firefox downloading obscenely large files?
[08:00] <reka> x55: local or DVD?
[08:00] <concept10> Razor-X, totem, mplayer, xine
[08:00] <ekho> what program to play music mp3
[08:00] <srbaker> like 4G?
[08:00] <x55> loxL
[08:00] <x55> local
[08:00] <srbaker> for some reason, it'll only download 2097M
[08:00] <anacron> vlc is great, but i got it messed up, if i try to watch videos in fullscreen they are all pixelate
[08:00] <deFrysk> x55, get totem-xine
[08:00] <reka> x55: hmm, i haven't had problems...but i did switch to totem-xine
[08:00] <Razor-X> reka: pwnage, hmmm?
[08:00] <Razor-X> ;)
[08:00] <x55> aah
[08:00] <jasmuz> srbaker: i use d4x for large downloads
[08:01] <Coyctecm> hmm
[08:01] <ekho> guys....
[08:01] <concept10> I am pissed, I cant listen to sound in these video files
[08:01] <nickrud> ekho rhythmbox, xmms, muine, are all good mp3 players
[08:01] <ekho> what program to play mp3?
[08:01] <reka> Razor-X: hehe.  how did that get in the repo? :)
[08:01] <Razor-X> anacron: reset the settings
[08:01] <x55> right now i'm working with the "debian bible," hahaha
[08:01] <anacron> ekho: XMMS
[08:01] <ekho> but in ubuntu nothing
[08:01] <reka> concept10: try installing gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:01] <Razor-X> reka: still, awesome
[08:01] <deFrysk> xmms , mother of linux mp3 players
[08:02] <nickrud> !tell ekho about restrictedformats
[08:02] <reka> Razor-X: whatever floats your boat :)
[08:02] <Razor-X> deFrysk: VLC > j00 > beep > xmms
[08:02] <Razor-X> ;)
[08:02] <anacron> j00? :D
[08:02] <concept10> !restrictedformats
[08:02] <ubotu> methinks restrictedformats is ""https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats"", or codecs
[08:02] <deFrysk> Razor-X, :)
[08:02] <Chrisxx> !tell chrisxx about restrictedformats
[08:02] <anacron> is that really player?
[08:02] <Razor-X> anacron: no, not reall ;)
[08:02] <reka> :)
[08:02] <anacron> i thought so
[08:02] <Razor-X> reka: OMG WTF?!
[08:02] <Razor-X> that's like... sacrilege!
[08:02] <reka> heh
[08:02] <Razor-X> it's the Ubuntu cow!!!
[08:03] <nickrud> ekho mp3 is a 'non-free' codec, you must do someting extra to get it
[08:03] <concept10> ubotu forget restricted formats
[08:03] <ubotu> concept10: i didn't have anything called 'restricted formats'
[08:03] <concept10> ubotu forget restrictedformats
[08:03] <ubotu> i forgot restrictedformats, concept10
[08:03] <Razor-X> wonder how many people know about emms, erc, TNT, YodEl, etc. ;)
[08:03] <Razor-X> concept10: ...........
[08:03] <anacron> Razor-X: what are those? :D
[08:03] <nickrud> concept10 why did you do that?
[08:03] <reka> Razor-X: not vim users, taht's for sure
[08:04] <Razor-X> reka: they know about it, just deny their existence ;)
[08:04] <concept10> uboto restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats or codecs
[08:04] <nickrud> ah, ok :)
[08:04] <devvvv> het reka
[08:04] <Razor-X> I _am_ emacs!!!
[08:04] <concept10> uboto, restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats or codecs
[08:04] <devvvv> hey^
[08:04] <Razor-X> ubotu restrictedformats is
[08:04] <Razor-X>             https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats or codecs
[08:04] <ubotu> Razor-X: Are you smoking crack?
[08:04] <Razor-X> ugghhh
[08:04] <devvvv> i gotta problem reka. this is spermie
[08:04] <Razor-X> ;)
[08:04] <concept10> !restrictedformats
[08:04] <ubotu> concept10: Are you smoking crack?
[08:04] <reka> devvvv: worked?
[08:05] <devvvv> i cant long into X =(
[08:05] <Razor-X> ubotu restrictedformats is restrictedformats is
[08:05] <Razor-X>             https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats or codecs
[08:05] <ubotu> Razor-X: what are you talking about?
[08:05] <Razor-X> WTF
[08:05] <concept10> !restrictedformats
[08:05] <x55> are there any mainstream pc companies putting out linux boxes?
[08:05] <Chrisxx> what program would I use to watch xvid/avi?
[08:05] <reka> devvvv: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:05] <concept10> Razor-X, you stressed out the bot
[08:05] <Razor-X> ubotu restrictedformats is restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats or codecs
[08:05] <reka> devvvv: to go back to the original
[08:05] <ubotu> Razor-X: what are you talking about?
[08:05] <x55> or trying to hock them off to the general public, rather
[08:05] <nickrud> ubotu restricted formats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[08:05] <ubotu> nickrud: okay
[08:05] <reka> devvvv: sorry.  looks like i stuffed you up :(
[08:05] <concept10> I was removing the double quotes
[08:06] <Chrisxx> x55: Dell puts SuSE and Red Hat onto their servers, I haven't looked into it much, windows usually locks the companies into windows on their desktops
[08:06] <Razor-X> ubotu restrictedformats is restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats or codecs
[08:06] <ubotu> Razor-X: what are you talking about?
[08:06] <nickrud> !restrictedformats
[08:06] <ubotu> nickrud: Are you smoking crack?
[08:06] <Razor-X> ubotu, restrictedformats is restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats or codecs
[08:06] <nickrud> !restricted formats
[08:06] <ubotu> I guess restricted formats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[08:06] <concept10> Okay, leave it alone
[08:06] <x55> windows?  locking down a company into their software?  i don't believe it
[08:06] <x55> nonsense, hahaha
[08:06] <jordan_> hi
[08:06] <Razor-X> there we are, it works
[08:06] <Razor-X> Chrisxx: VLC
[08:06] <jordan_> i new to ubunto
[08:07] <concept10> you guys say what I was trying to do, right?
[08:07] <Razor-X> jordan_: ubunt_u_
[08:07] <jordan_> my bro show me it
[08:07] <Chrisxx> :-P well they boost up the licensing fee if they use other OS's
[08:07] <nickrud> concept10 yes
[08:07] <Razor-X> Chrisxx: ?
[08:07] <dodgyville> Hi
[08:08] <concept10> Anyway, back to my question: what do I use to play these files: http://www.go-opensource.org/go_open/news/download_go_open/
[08:08] <x55> hahaha, they're so mafia-esque
[08:08] <dodgyville> I just got Hoary liveCD for a 2001 ibook, but it boots incredibly slowly.
[08:08] <nickrud> !tell nickrud about restrictedformats
[08:08] <concept10> They are mp4, divx but I get no sound in NO media players
[08:08] <nickrud> ubotu restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[08:08] <ubotu> okay, nickrud
[08:09] <nickrud> !tell nickrud about restricted formats
[08:09] <reka> dodgyville: it takes a while.  specially if you have a slow CD drive/ low RAM
[08:09] <nickrud> !tell nickrud about restrictedformats
[08:09] <jasmuz> dodgyville: remember you are using only ram....if you had  a swapspace in the disk it would be faster
[08:09] <Ninwa> Does anybody know if PHP5 will be in Ubuntu repositories soon?
[08:09] <Razor-X> uggghhhh
[08:09] <devvvv> reka you sure this is right sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[08:09] <Razor-X> or you can use VLC
[08:09] <reka> devvvv: whoops.
[08:09] <Razor-X> !vlc
[08:09] <ubotu> it has been said that vlc is a media player with native support for a large handfull of popular formatsbb and excellent streaming support
[08:09] <Razor-X> !info vlc
[08:09] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1ubuntu7 (hoary), Packaged size: 4867 kB, Installed size: 11816 kB
[08:09] <reka> devvvv: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/xorg.con
[08:09] <reka> devvvv: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:09] <Razor-X> ubotu forget vlc
[08:09] <ubotu> Razor-X: i forgot vlc
[08:10] <reka> devvvv: i forgot the / on the second one
[08:10] <Razor-X> ubotu vlc is a media player with native support for a large handfull of popular formats and excellent streaming support
[08:10] <ubotu> Razor-X: okay
[08:10] <devvvv> lol reka
[08:10] <Razor-X> it seems I accidentially hit 'b' instead of C-b when writing that definition ;)
[08:10] <Razor-X> reka: have you seen a screenshot of my desktop?
[08:11] <officermb> hello - was wondering...is there a driver for winmodems for ubuntu?
[08:11] <devvvv> i havent Razor-X
[08:12] <Chrisxx> when I go to download vlc it says it failed md5sum
[08:12] <Chrisxx> every time
[08:12] <Razor-X> devvvv: http://www.sosdg.org/~razorx/snapshot5.png
[08:12] <Burgundavia> Chrisxx, you using the us archives?
[08:12] <othernoob> Chrisxx: don't use the us archives..
[08:12] <reka> Razor-X: you're gonna show off your emacs plugins aren't you? :)
[08:12] <Chrisxx> us archives?
[08:12] <Razor-X> Chrisxx: remove the "us." from your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:12] <Razor-X> reka: not my plugins, but my eamcs
[08:12] <Razor-X> that's because that _is_ my desktop, though
[08:12] <concept10> Im sick of this, I have mplayer, totem, gxine, realplayer ....... how many do I need!
[08:13] <Razor-X> concept10: just vlc ;)
[08:13] <Chrisxx> um.....every time I try to edit the sources.list file I screw it up and have to reformat....
[08:13] <reka> concept10: choice is what linux is about :)
[08:13] <othernoob> Chrisxx: time to learn then ;)
[08:13] <Burgundavia> concept10, totem-xine works for everything that I have thrown at tit
[08:13] <Razor-X> reka: very true
[08:13] <concept10> I understand that, I want one for all formats
[08:13] <breezy1patched-n> hey any chance of getting 3 or 4 md5sums fixed on breezy
[08:13] <nickrud> concept10 totem-xine, and mozilla-mplayer, for simplicity
[08:13] <Razor-X> I dunno, people hear the word VLC and feel... alienated
[08:13] <Razor-X> Chrisxx: why izzat?
[08:13] <bimberi> officermb: There is the smartlink drivers - which worked for me - YMMV
[08:13] <concept10> Its not about choice, its about getting a good app with support for all.
[08:13] <Chrisxx> othernoob: It has happened several times, I'm not sure exactly what I do wrong
[08:14] <concept10> (formats)
[08:14] <Razor-X> dude, my first sources.list edit was when I was 11
[08:14] <dodgyville> Will an existing MacOS 10.1 system share nicely with a PPC install?
[08:14] <Razor-X> and after reading the format of the doc, I got it right ;)
[08:14] <officermb> bimberi: got a link so i might try?
[08:14] <Razor-X> (in vi too ;)
[08:14] <othernoob> concept10: do you know which of them play vobsub subtitles? vlc displays em in black, mplayer crashes (for me, with one particular file because of audio) and kaffeine doesn't display em
[08:14] <bimberi> officermb: I'll PM you
[08:14] <reka> Razor-X: you running at 640?
[08:14] <officermb> ty
[08:14] <nickrud> lol, I was over 40 when I first heard of debian
[08:14] <reka> Razor-X: seems rather large
[08:14] <Razor-X> concept10: I don't like the support for all, I like the total choice thing
[08:14] <Razor-X> nickrud: XD
[08:15] <Razor-X> i'm 15 meself
[08:15] <concept10> othernoob, have you tried gxine?
[08:15] <Razor-X> reka: oh, that's because I like keeping my terminal font-size large
[08:15] <Razor-X> see, I have glasses, and I don't like wearing 'em while computing, but that means I can't read smaller fonts
[08:15] <othernoob> concept i use kde, so i'd rather not install gnome progs, but yes, tried that as well
[08:15] <reka> Razor-X: ah
[08:15] <breezy1patched-n> wow...these firegl drivers for ati don't stack up at all against the massive 11megabyte nvidia drivers....ati stuff needs more work
[08:15] <reka> Razor-X: anime fan eh?
[08:16] <concept10> Razor-X, Choice is great, but a decent application is better - Why do you think Ubuntu was originally packaged GNOME only?  With Evolution only?  With Firefox ONLY?
[08:16] <Razor-X> reka: of course ;)
[08:16] <Razor-X> just take a look at my Eterm background
[08:16] <Razor-X> concept10: ahhh, why do you think I changed the defaults? ;)
[08:17] <Razor-X> I prefer the, while it may be complicated, more choice approach rather than the, everything is there approach
[08:17] <devvvv> Razor-X is that a old Screenshot
[08:17] <Razor-X> devvvv: yeah
[08:17] <nickrud> Razor-X that means we first saw it about the same time, I guess
[08:17] <IcemanV9> breezy1patched-n: no kidding .. i am waiting for ATI ppl to wise up and improve dang ATI driver
[08:17] <Razor-X> I installed w3m after that
[08:17] <reka> IcemanV9: we all are
[08:17] <concept10> Razor-X, like I said choice is great, but you put your money down, Ubuntu will continue to package the best of the breed apps.  Thats my point.  I was asking about the 'best of breed' application for video
[08:18] <devvvv> reka hey do u still have that link with my monitor specs i think i know what i did wrong
[08:18] <reka> devvvv: you do?
[08:18] <auk> grphx: i remembered what i showed you to do now: set up fstab to aoto-mount windows
[08:18] <Razor-X> concept10: but that's the thing, there's no definitive best
[08:18] <crimsun> concept10: the best of breed as far as Ubuntu is concerned is there in the distro: totem.
[08:18] <breezy1patched-n> IcemanV9, well the only thing i can say about the firegl...is that they work for Lament screensaver at 100fps and nvidia zooms along at 2000fps.....that is a significant difference...considering all other hardware identical
[08:18] <Razor-X> crimsun thinks it's totem, I think it's VLC, nalioth likes mplayer custom compiled
[08:18] <crimsun> concept10: personally wxvlc is more appealing, but that's just me.
[08:18] <reka> devvvv: this is the one i googled your rates for: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/509
[08:18] <nickrud> concept10 then, it's probably mplayer, or xine as a backend. There really are no other contenders
[08:18] <reka> devvvv: but you said that stufed you up
[08:18] <devvvv> reka yeah! it wasnt you that lead me wrong it was my typing
[08:19] <devvvv> its fixed its cool
[08:19] <nickrud> vlc is an upstart :)
[08:19] <Razor-X> nickrud: but it has excellent compatibility and stability
[08:19] <crimsun> Razor-X: well, no. As far as best of breed is concerned, there's really no topping mplayer.
[08:19] <Razor-X> and no messy codecs
[08:19] <reka> devvvv: so your problem's fixed?
[08:19] <concept10> I would probably use mplayer if if was GTK2, I only use it for browser streaming
[08:19] <Razor-X> crimsun: the volume controls on mplayer repeat command suck
[08:20] <breezy1patched-n> IcemanV9, that is 20x faster....ati needs more work to get in the ballpark...but at least you can see the gl stuff with ati
[08:20] <devvvv> here in a minute it will be i gotta re edit that file
[08:20] <reka> can anyone pause playback in xmms/bmp?
[08:20] <Razor-X> in that sense, I much prefer cplay for audio
[08:20] <othernoob> crimsun: how come mplayer can't decode some audio in an avi while kaffeine doesn't have any problems then?
[08:20] <crimsun> Razor-X: the commands in mplayer generally are subpar to me.
[08:20] <reka> i can't seem to unpause
[08:20] <Razor-X> crimsun: if you repeat a song, and set the volume down for one instance, it raises the volume back for the second
[08:20] <IcemanV9> breezy1patched-n: yep
[08:20] <crimsun> othernoob: beats me. Like I said, I use wxvlc.
[08:20] <Razor-X> which makes variable volume a pain-in-the-arse
[08:21] <Razor-X> concept10: I love the wide-open-spaces of the CLI
[08:21] <concept10> Razor-X, stay in the dungeon
[08:21] <Razor-X> concept10: I'll stay in my emacs, you can have your sugar coating
[08:21] <concept10> if thats what you prefer
[08:21] <crimsun> as soon as Ron pushes wxwidgets2.6 into Sid, I hope to get it synced so I can push the new version of vlc into Breezy
[08:21] <Razor-X> and RAM hogging ;)
[08:21] <breezy1patched-n> well does anybody know which tarball creates the /etc/mailcap file and also the one that creates the /etc/mime-type file
[08:21] <tombs> hi ppl
[08:22] <nickrud> I've been cli'ing since '83, I do it when there's no other way, or I've been doing that way too long :)
[08:22] <Razor-X> crimsun: are you going to add the WMV patch?
[08:22] <auk> emacs!! but opera...
[08:22] <crimsun> Razor-X: nothing's happening until wxwidgets2.6 goes in
[08:22] <Razor-X> auk: yeah, nice standards-compliant browser
[08:22] <devvvv> alright lets hope this time it works
[08:22] <auk> Razor-X: not now
[08:22] <othernoob> crimsun i'd use vlc for the file too, but it displays vobsub subtitles in black, which are hard to read on black background
[08:22] <Razor-X> crimsun: ahhh, ok
[08:22] <Razor-X> othernoob: you can change that
[08:22] <crimsun> I'm not going to build against wxwidgets2.5 since it was ripped out of Debian, and wxwindows2.4 is ... well, not my first choice to build against
[08:23] <othernoob> Razor-X: where?
[08:23] <Razor-X> othernoob: i'm pretty sure there's a setting, hold on
[08:23] <auk> Agrajag: Belgium!!!
[08:23] <Jogariga> does anyone know what's the problem with the sources.list listed on ubuntu guide for breezy on ppc?
[08:23] <Razor-X> crimsun: try to add the best features ;)
[08:24] <auk> !ubuntuguide
[08:24] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[08:24] <nickrud> lol
[08:25] <nickrud> Jogariga if you really want breezy, just use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExampleConffiles and replace hoary with breezy
[08:25] <Panzerboy> morning all
[08:25] <auk> ?
[08:25] <breezy1patched-n> Jogariga, don't replace yet...there is not a lot working on breezy
[08:25] <auk> what do you want?
[08:25] <auk> what is your name?
[08:25] <auk> why are you here????????????
[08:25] <breezy1patched-n> Jogariga, even evolution is broken...but some stuff is beginning to work
[08:25] <Razor-X> Panzerboy: it's 11:25 P.M. (23:25) here ;)
[08:26] <Panzerboy> Razor-X: :)
[08:26] <auk> Panzerboy: ?
[08:26] <nickrud> Jogariga run breezy on a partition other than your hoary one, and remember you're only playing around for a while
[08:26] <breezy1patched-n> Jogariga, we are only using breezy to port it to hurd
[08:26] <Razor-X> auk: s/<auk>//
[08:26] <Panzerboy> auk: are you talking to me?
[08:26] <auk> gggggrrrrrr
[08:26] <auk> ;-)
[08:26] <concept10> okay, last time...does anyone know what codec decodes mp4?  cant get vlc
[08:26] <Razor-X> concept10: why can't you get VLC?
[08:26] <Jogariga> ok
[08:27] <concept10> repos down
[08:27] <crimsun> concept10: mp4? you need liblive and libfaad
[08:27] <Panzerboy> concept10: what repos?
[08:27] <Razor-X> concept10: MD5SUM mismatch?
[08:27] <hondje> there's an mp4?
[08:27] <devvvv> lol reka you wouldnt happend to be able in scroll up and send me that fisrt text i sent you with the orignal specs i gave you could you?
[08:27] <hondje> I thought 3 was enough...
[08:27] <Razor-X> hondje: XDDDDDD
[08:27] <ilba7r> i had proftpd and removed it to install pure-ftpd now as i run purftpd i get the message can not run as stand alone as server already started
[08:27] <nickrud> concept10 the best info (and the codecs available) are on mplayer.nu , I believe
[08:27] <Panzerboy> hondje: yest htere is
[08:27] <alpha> mp4 = divx
[08:27] <concept10> Razor-X, yes
[08:27] <Razor-X> and why the third-layer is music only, I won't know...
[08:27] <Panzerboy> mplayer.hu
[08:27] <ilba7r> how can i stop the ftp server after removing the package
[08:27] <Panzerboy> not .nu
[08:27] <Panzerboy> :)
[08:27] <Razor-X> alpha: no
[08:27] <hondje> media stuff is beyond me
[08:27] <nickrud> Panzerboy thanks
[08:27] <hondje> I can't even figure out how to press buttons in dvdrip
[08:28] <auk> wow. messages come in spurts on this channel.
[08:28] <Panzerboy> ilba7r: what ftp server?
[08:28] <alpha> Razor-X: well ok it means video
[08:28] <Razor-X> auk: of course
[08:28] <auk> lol
[08:28] <auk> btu tehy are unrelated
[08:28] <Razor-X> alpha: I think I figured that much out, but there's a huge rift there, blindly calling mp4 -- divx
[08:28] <ilba7r> panzerboy a place where you can ftp files to other pc
[08:28] <reka> devvvv: lucky i'm still here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/510
[08:28] <Panzerboy> ilba7r: i KNOW what a FTP server is
[08:28] <ilba7r> sorry
[08:28] <ilba7r> i used ftpd
[08:28] <Panzerboy> ilba7r: i was asking what particular ftp server are u running :)
[08:28] <Panzerboy> ok
[08:28] <ilba7r> i used proftpd
[08:28] <othernoob> Razor-X: did you find the setting for vobsub?
[08:29] <Panzerboy> so
[08:29] <Razor-X> ilba7r: he said what ftp server, not what is ;)
[08:29] <Razor-X> othernoob: am looking
[08:29] <Panzerboy> you want to stop proftpd?
[08:29] <alpha> Razor-X: yeah but i was trying to put it simply
[08:29] <Panzerboy> after you've uninstalled it?
[08:29] <Razor-X> you can even google it
[08:29] <ilba7r> razor i am sleepy and can not see console well
[08:29] <Razor-X> alpha: an encoder will bite your ear off for that ;)
[08:29] <Panzerboy> ilba7r: that's understandable :)
[08:29] <Razor-X> ilba7r: i'm joshing with ya
[08:29] <ilba7r> thanx panzerboy
[08:29] <auk> ilba7r: go to bed ;-D
[08:30] <ilba7r> no problem razor-x its just i spent to much time trying to fix it
[08:30] <Razor-X> ilba7r: ftpd sucks
[08:30] <fanartprof> oooooo
[08:30] <Razor-X> get tftpd
[08:30] <fanartprof> *looks around*
[08:30] <alpha> Razor-X: indeed but try explaining to your mom divx vs xvid ect..
[08:30] <Panzerboy> hmm ... is proftpd running through inetd?
[08:30] <ilba7r> so i had proftpd then uninstalled it
[08:30] <Panzerboy> ok
[08:30] <Panzerboy> yes
[08:30] <Razor-X> alpha: ahhh, true that
[08:30] <Razor-X> I can though ;)
[08:30] <ilba7r> no amazingly the server is still on
[08:30] <Panzerboy> ilba7r: go ahead :)
[08:30] <crimsun> just use scp or sftp
[08:30] <Panzerboy> lol
[08:30] <Panzerboy> umm
[08:30] <ilba7r> yes panzerboy it was runningt through inetd
[08:30] <devvvv> reka Yes i am lucky. i don't understand why it isnt working =?
[08:30] <firebird619> I cannot get my modem installed on Ubuntu 5.04. Can anyone help me? After running make install I then run hsfconfig which returns: ERROR: Module recompilation and installation failed! Please examine the log file "/tmp/hsfconfig-recomp/log.9272" to determine why. When I look at the log file it does show some errors but I do not know how to fix them.
[08:30] <Chrisxx> reka: Since I have to use Esound with B-M-P do I need to use it with VLC?  If so do you know how to use it?
[08:30] <fanartprof> i'm new to lynux.... ^^; so, hi all, i'm a noob
[08:30] <Panzerboy> ilba7r: then i guess you must restart inetd
[08:31] <Tim_> Hello all I'm looking for someone who can help me with gnopernicus.
[08:31] <crimsun> Chrisxx: install vlc-esd
[08:31] <concept10> oh well, gues I wont be watching those videos tonight
[08:31] <ilba7r> tried that
[08:31] <ilba7r> perhaps using wrong command
[08:31] <Razor-X> Chrisxx: vlc-esd
[08:31] <Panzerboy> ilba7r: and maybe do also a apt-get purge proftpd
[08:31] <nickrud> fanartprof then, welcome :)
[08:31] <ilba7r> can you give me the command again
[08:31] <Panzerboy> so that all the files are deleted
[08:31] <reka> devvvv: still can't log in?  i thought you reverted back to the original you had backed up
[08:31] <Chrisxx> I installed that, is there anything else I need to set in preferences?
[08:31] <concept10> whats up with that md5sum problem anyway
[08:31] <auk> yeah
[08:31] <Panzerboy> concept10: the us.archive is b0rked
[08:31] <alpha> anyone else get checksum errors when they try and get lilo kde gui, i get it on a few others as well
[08:31] <auk> for how long?
[08:31] <Razor-X> Chrisxx: also try vlc-alsa
[08:31] <fanartprof> um, i'm looking for a music writing program... does any one have any ideas?
[08:31] <breezy1patched-n> concept10, well i have 3 files on breezy that have md5sum problems....one is telnet, one is docbook and i forget the other
[08:32] <Razor-X> alpha: remove the 'us.' from your sources.list
[08:32] <auk> Panzerboy: *
[08:32] <alpha> ahh ok
[08:32] <devvvv> reka ahh, i can log in, but i still need to get my refresh rate to go uo higher
[08:32] <reka> fanartprof: as  in composition
[08:32] <reka> ?
[08:32] <fanartprof> yea
[08:32] <alpha> Razor-X: any good asian servers?
[08:32] <Razor-X> ubotu badrepos are 'us.' in your /etc/apt/sources.list -- Remove them for better downloading
[08:32] <concept10> Panzerboy, I did that before let me check my list
[08:32] <ubotu> Razor-X: okay
[08:32] <Razor-X> alpha: what country are you in?
[08:32] <breezy1patched-n> concept10, ok docbook-xml, telnet, and gnucharmap....all 3 have md5sum errors on apt-get
[08:32] <alpha> Razor-X: im in china on the hongkong boarder
[08:32] <Panzerboy> ilba7r: sudo /etc/init.d/inetd restart
[08:32] <concept10> breezy1patched-n, okay.
[08:33] <Razor-X> alpha: the generics work fine, you can try 'hk.', not sure though
[08:33] <fanartprof> yes. composing
[08:33] <fanartprof> ^^;
[08:33] <reka> fanartprof: i can't recommend an exact program, but synaptic's sectioning will come in handy
[08:33] <Chrisxx> WOOHOO! Watching Aqua Teen Hunger Force in linux :)
[08:33] <bimberi> concept10: have you tried removing "us." from your sources.list (sorry if you've been asked this before)
[08:33] <ilba7r> thanx panzerboy
[08:33] <hondje> hondje.us
[08:33] <Razor-X> !badrepos
[08:33] <ilba7r> hope that does it
[08:33] <ubotu> badrepos are 'us.' in your /etc/apt/sources.list -- Remove them for better downloading
[08:33] <alpha> Razor-X: if theres a hk server that would be rad that or jp
[08:33] <reka> devvvv: do you know if your monitor can go higher than 1024?  or is it fairly old?
[08:33] <Razor-X> alpha: i'll bet there's a jp ;)
[08:34] <Razor-X> try it out, no harm in it
[08:34] <fanartprof> sectioning?
[08:34] <Razor-X> you can always cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak
[08:34] <Razor-X> that way, you have a backup
[08:34] <alpha> i can pull 300kps off most jp servers or more so that would be nice
[08:34] <reka> fanartprof: open up synaptic, click on the sections button in the lower left
[08:34] <nickrud> fanartprof you can try control-f in synaptic (System-Adminstration-Synaptic Package Manager on the top menu) to search for programs.
[08:34] <devvvv> not sure. my friend stole it from his school, but it isnt to old, its a thin flat pannel
[08:35] <nickrud> you can try using music, composition, or some other relevant term
[08:35] <reka> hehe
[08:35] <alpha> Razor-X: im really new to ubunto been using gentoo up till 3 days ago do i have to edit the conf or is there a gui and or a list of servers?
[08:35] <concept10> somone please tell Seveas to update the topic when the servers are fixed (US)
[08:35] <reka> devvvv: is this an ubuntu only system?
[08:35] <reka> or do you have windows on it as well?
[08:36] <devvvv> well kubuntu but yes
[08:36] <dodgyville> Can I resize a mac HDD without destroying the data on it?
[08:36] <ilba7r> panzerboy same error unable to start stand alone server Address already in use
[08:36] <bimberi> concept10: have you tried removing "us." from your sources.list
[08:36] <concept10> bimberi, done.
[08:36] <firebird619> I cannot get my modem installed on Ubuntu 5.04. Can anyone help me? After running make install I then run hsfconfig which returns: ERROR: Module recompilation and installation failed! Please examine the log file "/tmp/hsfconfig-recomp/log.9272" to determine why. When I look at the log file it does show errors  but I do not know how to fix them. Can anyone help me solve this problem?
[08:37] <fanartprof> reka yea, i know about that.
[08:37] <concept10> bimberi, didnt want to do that - sometimes I get tired of messing around  with conf files
[08:37] <devvvv> reka, these are the specs on my monitor http://www.superwarehouse.com/ViewSonic_VE155-1_Beige_15_LCD_Monitor/VE155-1/p/119583
[08:37] <reka> fanartprof: yeah, do aas nickrud  suggested and use the search facility
[08:37] <reka> *as
[08:37] <bimberi> concept10: fair enough - but it should get you going
[08:37] <concept10> firebird619, post your errors on pastebin
[08:37] <nickrud> at least there wasn't an extra s :)
[08:38] <fanartprof> yea, i was trying those, but i wasn't sure where to start
[08:38] <fanartprof> because, i could find midi programs, but i'm not looking for midi
[08:38] <concept10> Thanks crimsun, I forgot you were here :)
[08:38] <Panzerboy> i am just shocked
[08:38] <Panzerboy> omfg
[08:38] <reka> devvvv: try the rates they give on the site then
[08:39] <concept10> Panzerboy, what happened?
[08:39] <reka> devvvv: 30-62 for horizontal, and 50 - 72 for vertical
[08:39] <firebird619> ok I will
[08:39] <nickrud> fanartprof I've cruised through the packages available for a while, and I think rosegarden (sp?) may help, but I'm not sure
[08:39] <Panzerboy> there is this guy who owns a footbal team in my country
[08:39] <Panzerboy> and he was running for president last year
[08:39] <fanartprof> rosegarden? hmmm....
[08:39] <Panzerboy> and now he was invited in a talk show
[08:39] <Panzerboy> at some tv
[08:39] <Panzerboy> and the reporter asked him something
[08:39] <nickrud> I suggest searching, or looking on freshmeat.net for something that is good, and seeing if it is available in ubuntu
[08:40] <Panzerboy> and he started to swear everybody there
[08:40] <Panzerboy> the owner of the tv station, the reporter, everybody
[08:40] <fanartprof> nickrud, that's exactly what i'm looking for. thanks
[08:40] <Panzerboy> he went on and on for about 5 minutes
[08:40] <fanartprof> ^_^
[08:40] <nickrud> fanartprof even a clock is right twice a day :)
[08:40] <Panzerboy> god!
[08:41] <fanartprof> ... huh?
[08:41] <woodwizzle> is there a way I can use wget to download a buncha files in one websites directory?
[08:41] <fanartprof> >.>'
[08:41] <nickrud> fanartprof I got lucky
[08:41] <fanartprof> lol
[08:42] <concept10> My night just got worse, really having repo problems now!
[08:42] <firebird619> ok, I pasted to pastebin
[08:42] <reka> Panzerboy: who was he?
[08:42] <gyaresu_> woodwizzle, 'man wget' >> it says it there.
[08:42] <devvvv> reka alright lets try this one
[08:42] <Panzerboy> reka: just some guy :)
[08:42] <firebird619> could somebody please check it out and help me?
[08:42] <JaneW> morning
[08:43] <fanartprof> nickrud well, thanks. ^^; i'm still trying to get used to lynux.
[08:43] <IcemanV9> epiphany responds faster than firefox!
[08:43] <nickrud> fanartprof enjoy, it's fun
[08:43] <robitaille> hi JaneW
[08:43] <breezy1patched-n> IcemanV9, dillo is even faster than epiphany
[08:43] <JaneW> I am trying to install some new fonts to ubuntu - I have d/led the fonts but am unsure how to install them - I can't seem to copy them into the fonts directory etc...
[08:43] <JaneW> hi robitaille
[08:43] <cafuego> telnet is even faster then dillo
[08:44] <devvvv> hey reka
[08:44] <breezy1patched-n> cafuego, ping is faster than telnet
[08:44] <reka> devvvv: yep?
[08:44] <nickrud> JaneW drop the fonts into /usr/share/local/fonts for all users, or ~/.fonts for one user
[08:44] <devvvv> that time it worked =)
[08:44] <woodwizzle> gyaresu, believe me I've been reading the man pages, however it doesn't seem as straightforward as I'd like and everything I've tried has failed
[08:44] <fanartprof> nickrud ok, um.... now that it's installed.... how do i get it? ^^; (very large sweat drop)
[08:45] <xChill> hi i am looking for a sound howto for mounting ntfs partitions automatically. any suggestions?
[08:45] <JaneW> nickrud: thanks will try that now, I was trying to copy into ///fonts before....
[08:45] <nickrud> fanartprof I've never used rosegarden, only know about it. You might want to look in /usr/share/doc/rosegarden for more documentation
[08:45] <reka> devvvv: \0/
[08:45] <reka> devvvv: always helps if you have the offical specs. :)
[08:45] <breezy1patched-n> fanartprof, well rosegarden does play midi files and you can repeat them too
[08:45] <fanartprof> nickrud no, i mean, how do i search for it and open it?
[08:46] <reka> fanartprof: have you installed it?
[08:46] <breezy1patched-n> fanartprof, plus you get that graphical stuff
[08:46] <fanartprof> nickrud yes
[08:46] <nickrud> fonts:// looks at whatever fontconfig is configured to look at
[08:46] <Madpilot> !fonts
[08:46] <ubotu> it has been said that fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[08:46] <fanartprof> nickrud no, wait.... it didn't install
[08:46] <fanartprof> grrr...
[08:47] <xChill> hi i am looking for a sound howto for mounting ntfs partitions automatically. any suggestions?
[08:47] <woodwizzle> for instance wget -r seems to go backwards recusively not forward
[08:47] <nickrud> fanartprof a general rule for seeing what the invocation for a program is, dpkg -l <package> | grep bin
[08:47] <gyaresu> xChill, http://ubuntuguide.org
[08:47] <reka> !ubuntuguide
[08:47] <ubotu> [ubuntuguide]  a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[08:48] <gyaresu> pffft.
[08:48] <Jowi> Hi everyone
[08:48] <Syedburns> Hey hey
[08:48] <reka> xChill: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[08:48] <xChill> ty
[08:48] <xChill> ill try that
[08:48] <reka> whoops
[08:49] <reka> i think it's down
[08:49] <JaneW> nickrud: says I do not have permission to do so... do I need to sudo?
[08:49] <xChill> doesnt work
[08:49] <nickrud> JaneW to drop into /usr/local, yes
[08:49] <xChill> reka: alternatives?
[08:49] <devvvv> reka yeah good point
[08:50] <reka> Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automaticall
[08:50] <fanartprof> well, thanks again. ^_^
[08:50] <gyaresu> xChill, here's my /etc/fstab entry
[08:50] <reka> xChill: there you go
[08:50] <gyaresu> xChill, "/dev/sdb1       /media/ntfs     ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222 0       0"
[08:50] <breezy1patched-n> man i sure hate this translucent shit on breezy...it sure makes it hard to click on the transparent or flashing stuff
[08:51] <xChill> gyaresu: ty
[08:51] <Marble2> ugh, what packages do I need to have installed for totem to play movie files? every time I try to play something, I get a codec could not be handled error
[08:51] <gyaresu> Marble2, w32codecs
[08:51] <nickrud> heh, I can't wait till I have a machine fast enough that I can not click on that transparency stuff :)
[08:51] <Amaranth> Marble2: totem-xine and w32codecs
[08:52] <Marble2> i have both
[08:52] <gyaresu> Marble2, from backports: "deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted"
[08:53] <JaneW> thanks guys, I looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto and it's worked :))
[08:53] <DanielC> Hello. How can edit the bootup sequence?
[08:53] <hondje> !bum
[08:53] <ubotu> hondje: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:53] <hondje> yessir
[08:53] <reka> xChill: blatantly copying gyaresu's entry might not work...you have to work out which partition you want to mount.
[08:53] <gyaresu> DanielC, "sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[08:54] <DanielC> I don't want postfix between NVIDIA-TLS and xinetd.
[08:54] <robitaille> JaneW:  another fine example of how much stuff we have on our wiki.
[08:54] <Marble2> gyaresu: I entered that line in my sources.list and now I get a bunch of errors
[08:54] <gyaresu> xChill, reka is SO right.
[08:54] <DanielC> gyaresu: No, I mean the sequence of daemons that get started during boot up.
[08:54] <nickrud> Me, I keep all my personal stuff out of /usr/share, and have a separate partition for /usr/local. It makes upgrades smoother.
[08:55] <gyaresu> xChill, sorry. i didn't mean it litoraly
[08:55] <Ninwa> Does anybody know a good place to look to learn how to create Ubuntu .deb packages?
[08:55] <Ninwa> Ubuntu wiki and guide lack information on it.
[08:55] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, man this translucent shit really sucks....like if you call up synaptic...it sets in the bar and oscillates between full light and opaque
[08:55] <jiyuu0> For offline installation for commonly used applications (internet, multimedia, etc)
[08:55] <jiyuu0> Unofficial UbuntuGuide 5.04 Add-On CD Guide
[08:55] <jiyuu0> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=150088&postcount=1
[08:55] <jiyuu0> *Grab it when it's still there
[08:55] <gyaresu> xChill, /dev/sdb1 is the first partition of the second serial drive.
[08:56] <nickrud> breezy1patched-n well, next week I may have an opinion, the machine I use now is just too slow to even try that stuff
[08:56] <reka> jiyuu0: i thought it was illegal.
[08:56] <gyaresu> xChill, do you know what drive/partition your ntfs is?
[08:56] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, well it is nothing more than eye-candie for newbs.....the old-timers that have seen better ways to do things absolutely would not like it anyway
[08:56] <xChill> gyaresu: all set, thanx again
[08:57] <firebird619> Could someone please take a look at my post in Pastebin and hopefully help me fix those errors I am getting? Any help would be appreciated?
[08:57] <gyaresu> DanielC, sorry daniel i can't think at the mo.
[08:57] <jiyuu0> reka, same as the backports... use it when it's still available
[08:57] <DanielC> gyaresu: ok, thanks.
[08:58] <uscfan> im installing courier-imap and its giving me an error regarding x86_64 telling me to recompile with -fPIC
[08:58] <uscfan> im on an a64
[08:58] <Marble2> can someone help me? totem-xine won't play any video for me, I get a handling error on whatever I play, I have w32codecs installed
[08:59] <Jowi> Marble2, what is the error? What are you trying to play?
[08:59] <reka> firebird619: at a guess, it looks like you're missing headers
[08:59] <reka> firebird619: you the guy who is trying to install his modem drivers?
[08:59] <gyaresu> DanielC, try looking around at update-rc.d
[09:00] <firebird619> yes
[09:00] <Marble2> Jowi: any video file, doesn't matter what type. It says "Video codec 'XviD format' is not handled."
[09:00] <nickrud> breezy1patched-n speaking of eye candy, I want luminocity in metacity, but I guess I am perverse :)
[09:00] <Marble2> the XviD format part changes though
[09:00] <reka> firebird619: what modem?  other people might have it
[09:00] <gyaresu> DanielC, it's the numers that make the difference.
[09:00] <Marble2> depending on what type of file it is
[09:00] <Marble2> but it won't play anything
[09:00] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, well i don't know about your machine but mine is years out of date.....and i dont' care...the new
[09:00] <DanielC> gyaresu: Ok, will do.
[09:00] <breezy1patched-n> drm stuff doesn't impress me in the least
[09:00] <JaneW> robitaille, :)
[09:00] <Marble2> i don't know what I did, it played these same files fine yesterday
[09:00] <nickrud> breezy1patched-n I'm running a 466 celeron, and have for years. It's only recently that I've felt the need for more speed
[09:01] <IcemanV9> is there a seperate module for visualization only?? i like to watch it (it's too small right now) while listening to music. (i use bmp)
[09:01] <firebird619> The device manager says it is an HSF 56k HSFi Modem
[09:01] <Jowi> Marble2, please type: gst-register-0.8
[09:01] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, that has plenty of speed ...you just need to get a few things compiled on freedos32 for that machine
[09:01] <lcharly_TheOne> How can i see a video en fullscren in mplayer??
[09:01] <nickrud> lol
[09:01] <devvvv> is there Snesx9 for linux?
[09:01] <reka> firebird619: so that'd be a dialup modem?
[09:01] <gyaresu> DanielC, rc.0.d rc1.d are the runlevel folders and are symbolically linked to the actual services in /etc/init.d/*
[09:01] <Jowi> Marble2, that will re-register all types that totem handles
[09:02] <firebird619> yes
[09:02] <reka> devvvv: yep
[09:02] <devvvv> can i apt-get it?
[09:02] <reka> firebird619: and it wasn't autodetected in networking?
[09:02] <reka> devvvv: yep
[09:02] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, i don't have anything new either...just some old ati and nvidia garbage-scooping stuff
[09:02] <firebird619> no it wasn't
[09:02] <Ninwa> Does anybody know a good place to look to learn how to create Ubuntu .deb packages? :]  Hate to repeat but it seems a valid question.
[09:02] <reka> firebird619: and that's why you're trying to install drivers?
[09:02] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, bottom-of-the-line stuff....if you know what i mean
[09:02] <firebird619> yes
[09:02] <Ninwa> I've checked guide and wiki.
[09:03] <reka> firebird619: personally, i use wvdial, so i can't really walk you through a driver isntall
[09:03] <reka> *isntall
[09:03] <reka> bah
[09:03] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, it will never run doom3...but personally i dont' care
[09:03] <firebird619> would wvdial allow me to use my modem without installing drivers.
[09:03] <lcharly_TheOne> is the same thing with an ATI that with a Nvidia for the drivers??
[09:03] <Marble2> Jowi: I did that, it still errors
[09:03] <reka> firebird619: but, if you want to go that route.  i suggest you work out which files are missing so you can compile
[09:03] <reka> firebird619: depends, if it detects it correctly
[09:04] <reka> firebird619: it's also run through CL and takes up a terminal, which some people don't like
[09:04] <Jowi> Marble2, did you install libxvidcore4?
[09:04] <Marble2> yea
[09:04] <Marble2> it's installed
[09:04] <firebird619> is wvdial already on my PC
[09:04] <reka> lcharly_TheOne: er, what?
[09:04] <reka> firebird619: yes
[09:04] <firebird619> how can I access it, it is worth a try
[09:04] <reka> firebird619: read the documentation.  it's quite good
[09:05] <breezy1patched-n> lcharly_TheOne, yes the hardware is the same except for the drivers and nvidia is about 20x faster than ati...that is significant beyond measurement error
[09:05] <lcharly_TheOne> but the ubuntu detect itself??
[09:05] <breezy1patched-n> lcharly_TheOne, but at least you can see the gl stuff with ati
[09:05] <lcharly_TheOne> or i need drivers??
[09:05] <peterretief> whats a good cd burner
[09:06] <firebird619> where is the documentation at? Is it on the PC or is it a Web site
[09:06] <Ninwa> fire
[09:06] <Ninwa> huhuhu
[09:06] <Marble2> k3b
[09:06] <nickrud> breezy1patched-n I still run a voodoo3, so, I guess I must not too concerned about that stuff
[09:06] <nickrud> lcharly_TheOne F is the command for full screen in mplayer; if you get a black screen with a tiny window, you need to change your vo to xv
[09:06] <IcemanV9> peterretief: gnomebaker
[09:06] <nickrud> heh, but, I run a voodoo3, maybe those newfangled cards have better video :)
[09:06] <Marble2> any ideas Jowi ?
[09:06] <devvvv> sudo apt-get install snes9x  E: could not find package  =^(
[09:06] <Jowi> Marble2, thinking.
[09:06] <lcharly_TheOne> nickrud thanks thas my problem the black screen
[09:06] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, well...you may not know this but vodoo is where nvidia got their ideas from
[09:06] <newbie> hei any one in ubuntu have program like deepfreeze in windows ?
[09:06] <Marble2> I have no clue what I did, but it played everything fine this just recently
[09:06] <newbie> it can freeze form any user who newbie
[09:06] <devvvv>                  devvvv  Heat broken
[09:06] <nickrud> breezy1patched-n yeah, I used to follow that stuff
[09:07] <Jowi> Marble2, can totem-xine handle any music files?
[09:07] <peterretief> thansk IcemanV9
[09:07] <reka> firebird619: it's located in /usr/share/doc/wvdial
[09:07] <nickrud> lcharly_TheOne np
[09:07] <Marble2> let me try
[09:07] <firebird619> I found the MAN page for it
[09:07] <reka> http://support.real-time.com/linux/dialup/wvdial.html
[09:07] <devvvv> and its HOR
[09:07] <newbie> ?
[09:07] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, i can't remember history very well on this issue....but i think it started when SGI said fuck the cheap video cards...we don't sell anything for less than $5million dollars apiece
[09:07] <Marble2> yea
[09:07] <IcemanV9> devvvv: apt-cache search snes
[09:07] <reka> firebird619: read: http://support.real-time.com/linux/dialup/wvdial.html
[09:07] <Marble2> playes those fine
[09:07] <newbie> ask my question pls
[09:07] <nickrud> lol, and now, those cards are probably $20 on ebay
[09:07] <firebird619> ok I will check it out. Thanks for the help
[09:07] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, and somebody 3dlabs or someone decided to experiment with a cheap 3dfx card
[09:08] <reka> firebird619: sure.  good luck
[09:08] <newbie> hey all
[09:08] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, then somehow nvidia got wind of what was going on...and bought out the rights.
[09:08] <newbie> in ubuntu have program like deepfreeze in windows ?
[09:08] <Marble2> Jowi: it plays music fine
[09:09] <devvvv> thank ya IcemanV9
[09:10] <nickrud> breezy1patched-n I probably bought the wrong card back then: I think the tnt2 had just come out, but I got the voodoo instead. It was for a particular game, and for the life of me, I can't even remember the name
[09:10] <newbie> ?
[09:10] <newbie> anyone hear me
[09:10] <firebird619> Unfortunately, wvdial does not detect my modem either
[09:11] <Jowi> Marble2, lets check the codecs one by one: gstreamer0.8-plugins? gstreamer0.8-lame? gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg? w32codecs? libdivx4linux? lame? sox? ffmpeg? mjpegtools?
[09:11] <reka> newbie: what's deepfreeze?
[09:11] <nickrud> newbie yes, but I don't think anyone here at the moment knows; me, I'm not even sure what deepfreeze is :)
[09:11] <Jowi> Marble2, maybe you missed one?
[09:11] <reka> firebird619: really? what does it say?
[09:11] <newbie> doh
[09:11] <newbie> u dunno
[09:11] <newbie> like go back from norton
[09:11] <newbie> that program call go back
[09:12] <nickrud> well, except for one program
[09:12] <reka> newbie: so like a system restore?
[09:12] <newbie> it can restore anything after u restart ur pc
[09:12] <Madpilot> newbie: are you talking about this: http://www.faronics.com/html/deepfreeze.asp  ??
[09:12] <newbie> yes
[09:12] <newbie> like that
[09:12] <newbie> in linux have too ?
[09:12] <firebird619> It says Sorry, no modem was detected. Is it in use by another program? Did you configure it properly with setserial?
[09:12] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, yes that is the way it goes.....but the vodoo card you have still has most of the functionality you will ever use so why bother to change it...unless the stuff just breaks
[09:12] <reka> firebird619: and it's turned on?
[09:12] <Madpilot> google rules.
[09:12] <peterretief> i think deepfreeze is a network prog for internet cafes - Linux wouldnt really need that
[09:12] <newbie> doh
[09:13] <firebird619> yes, as far as I know. How do I tell if it is turned on.
[09:13] <newbie> i need it for my cyber cafe
[09:13] <newbie> my user always change wallpaper
[09:13] <reka> firebird619: if it's external, the lights are on?
[09:13] <Marble2> Jowi: I have all of those
[09:13] <Marble2> except libdivx4linux
[09:13] <firebird619> its internal
[09:13] <nickrud> breezy1patched-n mainly, I can only do gl as 16 bits, but prefer 24 bit for smoother color. It'll be nice to have both at once.
[09:13] <Madpilot> i think - not sure, tho - that you could just create users w/ no privs?
[09:13] <Marble2> that one doesn't exist in the apt repositories...
[09:13] <newbie> firebird619 any idea for that ?
[09:13] <newbie> to restore my system
[09:13] <nickrud> Although, I don't use gl much, so it hasn't been a problme
[09:13] <Jowi> libdivx4linux might be the missing one then :-) will see where i found it
[09:14] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, well if you think that is a CRITICAL difference ....then you will have to decide on your own what is best for you.
[09:14] <Marble2> however, like I said, I think I must have changed something accidentally because I had it working...
[09:14] <mebaran151> newbie, you just dont give them those permissions
[09:14] <mebaran151> linux doesnt need that sort of program
[09:14] <mebaran151> because you can limit that sort of action
[09:14] <nickrud> breezy1patched-n not critical, otherwise I'd have bought a card a long time ago. The issue is that gnome 1.0.56 is not gnome 2.12, and I do need more processor power now
[09:15] <newbie> mebaran151 it change one by one station u know
[09:15] <reka> firebird619: looks like you have to install the driver then
[09:15] <newbie> har work
[09:15] <mebaran151> you can run your whole cafe off of live cd's
[09:15] <newbie> *hard
[09:15] <newbie> i need just program
[09:15] <firebird619> I wish I could, with NO errors
[09:15] <Jowi> Marble2, you could re-install totem-xine to make sure.
[09:15] <nickrud> plus, I do like wobbly windows :)
[09:16] <mebaran151> newbie, shoudl your users be able to change anything
[09:16] <mebaran151> or write anything?
[09:16] <Marble2> already have
[09:16] <newbie> yes mebaran151
[09:16] <mebaran151> where
[09:16] <newbie> they are change icon on desktop
[09:16] <newbie> wallpaper
[09:16] <mebaran151> you can lock the background image by making that directory read only
[09:16] <mebaran151> no
[09:16] <mebaran151> not can they now
[09:16] <reka> so could someone help out firebird619 with his 56k driver install?  he's getting these errors:http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/511
[09:16] <mebaran151> but should they be able to?
[09:16] <newbie> what about lock icon ?
[09:16] <newbie> can do that
[09:17] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, but i can do without more resolution, etc....who wants to see all the hairs in people's underarms.
[09:17] <capi> I can't figure this out. I have two linksys routers. One is connected to the modem(#1) and one is connected to #1(#2). #2 has two windows computers and the network works fine. #1 has three linux (ubuntu/debian) boxes, only the local networks work. Everything just suddenly broke today with no reason, A fresh install won't work, and rebooting the router to system defaults doesn't work. Any thoughts?
[09:17] <mebaran151> make the folder desktop read only
[09:17] <mebaran151> and they wont be able to write a thing
[09:17] <Jowi> libdivx4linux is in backports extras
[09:17] <mebaran151> you can make the whole harddrive after you set it up read only
[09:17] <reka> firebird619: good luck..i have to go
[09:17] <reka> firebird619: sorry i couldn't help more
[09:17] <mebaran151> and linux will behave really nicely
[09:17] <firebird619> OK, thanks alot reka
[09:18] <mebaran151> unlike windows
[09:18] <newbie> mebaran151 what chmod to desktop read only i mean what number example 7555 or ?
[09:18] <capi> Another thing, now I can't connect to #1 network from #2, but I used to before.
[09:18] <mebaran151> chmod 555 I believe
[09:18] <newbie> i can lock desktop but can't lock icon :(
[09:18] <nickrud> breezy1patched-n better resolution (with a suitable monitor) equals more screen real estate, which equals better productivity (in my humble opinion)
[09:18] <Jowi> Marble2, otherwise try re-install libdivxdecore0
[09:18] <mebaran151> newbie, have you ever considered livecd's
[09:18] <mebaran151> by definition they have to be read only
[09:18] <mebaran151> because they run off the cd
[09:18] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, well you can do like me and bottom-feed for things....i got two old mobos with p4s..(not fast ones however) for $40 each.
[09:19] <mebaran151> and if you want to make them clean again, just reboot the computer
[09:19] <nickrud> anyway, this is all about what's suitable for an individual, and I do have my not so humble opinions about my needs
[09:19] <Marble2> Jowi: it's not installed either
[09:19] <mebaran151> you can make anything only accessible by root
[09:20] <mebaran151> just chown / to root
[09:20] <mebaran151> and I think that will make the entire directory only owned by root
[09:20] <mebaran151> which means every directory
[09:20] <Jowi> Marble2, that one you need.
[09:20] <Marble2> can you link me to a deb file for libdivx4linux? apt errors when I add the repos you gave me, and I couldn't find it browsing manually
[09:20] <nickrud> newbie you mean lock an icon to a location on the desktop?
[09:20] <Marble2> Jowi: I can't find that one in the repos either
[09:20] <Chrisxx> Anyone want a gmail invite?
[09:20] <Jowi> Marble2, they are all in backports
[09:21] <Jowi> !backports
[09:21] <ubotu> it has been said that backports is at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[09:21] <Marble2> connection refused...
[09:21] <gyaresu> reka firebird619 : looks like he's missing kernel source...
[09:22] <Jowi> Whoa, backports is down!
[09:22] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, but even so...i still keep my 486 running with freedos...it runs quite fast
[09:22] <Jowi> How long's it been down guys?
[09:22] <firebird619> Where do I get kernel source? Is that something I can install off the Ubuntu CD
[09:22] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, see ....nvidia completely destroyed SGI and they say that SUN and Apple are their next victims.....they say nobody needs a 128way server just to type a memo
[09:22] <newbie> guy's how to lock background from user
[09:22] <julo> hi
[09:22] <Jowi> hi julo
[09:22] <newbie> they'r alway change it
[09:22] <auk> hi
[09:22] <newbie> any idea for me
[09:22] <Marble2> huh
[09:23] <auk> huh?
[09:23] <julo> I'm having troubles with my USB hard drive recently with breezy: I hav to manually pmount it, or it won't mount (no entry in fstab).
[09:23] <newbie> huh ?
[09:23] <auk> pmount?
[09:23] <nickrud> newbie search for the gnome administrator's guide, it has some guidelines for locking down the desktop
[09:23] <julo> Has there be any change in the way hal/gvm works ?
[09:23] <gyaresu> firebird619, you should preface your statement to someone with thier name or they won't see your message.
[09:24] <julo> auk: yes pmount, which enables to mount a device without a line in /etc/fstab
[09:24] <gyaresu> firebird619, (and you can usually type the first couple of letters and then TAB to auto-complete.
[09:24] <firebird619> ok. I will remember that.
[09:24] <firebird619> ok gyaresu I will remember that
[09:25] <gyaresu> firebird619, there you go!
[09:25] <nickrud> http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/doctable/docs/system-admin-guide.html <-- newbie
[09:25] <gyaresu> firebird619, :) so you need the kernel source that matches your kernel.
[09:25] <gyaresu> firebird619, 'uname -a'
[09:25] <nickrud> gaj
[09:25] <auk> firebird: kernel.org
[09:25] <nickrud> gakkk
[09:25] <newbie> ok the point is how to lock control center
[09:25] <newbie> any suggest
[09:26] <gyaresu> firebird619, auk (i think that just apt-get'ing the source is better for the n00b cause of the patches...)
[09:26] <firebird619> gyaresu: uname -a returns Linux Ubuntu 2.6.10-5-386
[09:26] <Chrisxx> julo: try this script I was sent to earlier http://72.9.240.23/~foulplay/winmac_fstab
[09:26] <kyoman_> hmm i have to disks on a ata raid controller configured as standalone disks,they dont even show up in device manager,anyone have a idea
[09:26] <auk> julo: hmm i have used mount w/ no fstab entry
[09:26] <kyoman_> two disks
[09:26] <gyaresu> so 'apt-cache search linux-source'
[09:26] <kyoman_> 2
[09:27] <auk> gyaresu: you can apt-get the osource? so that's what deb-source is for.
[09:27] <firebird619> gyaresu: what does apt-getting do, does that search the computer or the Internet
[09:27] <auk> i am somewhat of a newbie ymself
[09:27] <gyaresu> firebird619, 'apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10'
[09:27] <auk> firebird: internet
[09:27] <devvvv> any of u all want a gmail email adress??
[09:28] <auk> open /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:28] <gyaresu> firebird619, and you may as well get 'build-essentials' if you're on a fast net.
[09:28] <auk> devvvv: sure
[09:28] <auk> heehee
[09:28] <gyaresu> firebird619, man apt-get
[09:28] <gyaresu> firebird619, apt-get is your command line package install/remove programme.
[09:29] <devvvv> auk whats ur email address and ill send you a invite
[09:29] <gyaresu> and it's just HEAPS quicker to type this stuff than click on the GUI's
[09:29] <auk> firebird: try synaptic
[09:29] <domster> firebird619, apt-get is like sweet sweet goodness on toast. you'll love it.
[09:29] <gyaresu> firebird619, auk : i disagree, it's really only a couple of commands that you need....
[09:29] <gyaresu> firebird619, listen to domster in that regard.
[09:30] <auk> gyaresu: yes, apt-get is better, but he might like a grapical util better
[09:30] <domster> heh
[09:30] <firebird619> gyaresu, so does apt-get search my computer. If it searches the Internet that won't work because I am trying to install the modem so I have no access to the Internet on Ubuntu
[09:30] <hyphenated> firebird619: apt-cache search will look at a bunch of index files that have a list of packages available. apt-get install will download things from the internet and install them
[09:30] <domster> apt-setup, select CD?
[09:30] <gyaresu> firebird619, /etc/apt/sources.list is a list of places you can download .deb packages from to install on your computer.
[09:31] <firebird619> hyphenated: I cannot use apt-get then because I have no Internet access on Ubuntu
[09:31] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, again....people don't give a crap about faster or higher resolution graphics...they don't care to see people's underarm hairs in great detail quickly.
[09:31] <auk> devvvv: oh, nm. i don't need one
[09:31] <gyaresu> firebird619, 'apt-get update' gets the latest list of packages from the different repositories.
[09:31] <hyphenated> firebird619: uh.. is that internet access something you're trying to fix, or have you set it up without internet on purpose?
[09:31] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, and desktop real estate is not a problem....move some of your folders out of the Desktop area
[09:31] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, that is what you have a file manager for
[09:32] <firebird619> gyaresu: I will not be able to use apt-get if it downloads from the Internet, I don't have access to the Internet on Ubuntu. That is what I am trying to install and I get those errors I posted in the Pastebin
[09:32] <signius> apt-get also searches the CDs it depends what you got listed in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:32] <capi> I can't figure this out. I have two linksys routers. One is connected to the modem(#1) and one is connected to #1(#2). #2 has two windows computers and the network works fine. #1 has three linux (ubuntu/debian) boxes, only the local networks work. Everything just suddenly broke today with no reason, A fresh install won't work, and rebooting the router to system defaults doesn't work. Any thoughts? Another thing, now I can't connect to #1 ne
[09:32] <nickrud> breezy1patched-n I'm running a 1024x768 desktop, and I have run 1600x1200. There is no comparison
[09:32] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, well i am still running 800x600 and will likely never change
[09:32] <firebird619> gyaresu: what exactly do I have to type, and do I type it in Terminal
[09:33] <breezy1patched-n> nickrud, it is more than sufficient if programmed correctly
[09:33] <gyaresu> firebird619, sorry man. you need the web for apt......
[09:33] <auk> firebird619: if you are not sonnected to the internet, apt-get install will not work
[09:33] <gyaresu> firebird619, hence the modem... right, gotcha.
[09:33] <firebird619> gyaresu: ok, anything else that might work.
[09:33] <Madpilot> breezy1patched-n: *try* a higher rez. far from never changing, you likely will never go back... bigger really is better in this case...
[09:33] <nickrud> newbie system->help->desktop->system administration Guide has the best info about lockdowns that I know of
[09:33] <gyaresu> firebird619, lets think about this lateral
[09:34] <gyaresu> firebird619, ...ly
[09:34] <auk> lol
[09:34] <julo> Chrisxx: thanks for the script !
[09:34] <devvvv> is there a plugin for firefox for windows media player so i can view win32 Avi files on linux?
[09:34] <gyaresu> firebird619, so do you have the install cd or install dvd?
[09:34] <firebird619> yes
[09:34] <gyaresu> devvvv, mplayer
[09:34] <firebird619> install CD
[09:34] <gyaresu> devvvv, mplayer-plugin-somethingsomethin
[09:34] <firebird619> oops gyaresu yes, install CD
[09:35] <gyaresu> ah.
[09:35] <nickrud> devvvv mozilla-mplayer
[09:35] <auk> devvvv: for windows
[09:35] <gyaresu> firebird619, so your apt repository consists of one cd with whatever packages are on it.
[09:35] <auk> mplayer can play indows media?
[09:35] <auk> !?!?
[09:35] <ubotu> auk: No idea
[09:35] <auk> oops
[09:35] <gyaresu> auk, yes.
[09:36] <auk> is that legal?
[09:36] <nickrud> auk yes, but you need the w32codecs from backports. That will play most everything
[09:36] <nickrud> auk not in the us
[09:36] <gyaresu> firebird619, do you have internal 'winmodem' or external modem.
[09:36] <auk> oh, yes, i knew that
[09:36] <auk> nickrud: i did not knwo that
[09:36] <firebird619> gyaresu: Internal 'winmodem'
[09:36] <gyaresu> firebird619, bugger.
[09:36] <nickrud> lol
[09:37] <newbie> nickrud i'm using kubuntu
[09:37] <newbie> ican't find that
[09:37] <gyaresu> firebird619, any other internet accesible machines?
[09:37] <firebird619> gyaresu: yes
[09:37] <firebird619> gyaresu: my other machine uses XP Pro
[09:37] <gyaresu> firebird619, are they on dialup or dsl?
[09:37] <nickrud> newbie then, I'd look on kde.org for som docs, I just assumed you were using gnome :)
[09:37] <firebird619> dial-up
[09:37] <firebird619> gyaresu: dial-up
[09:37] <newbie> ohh
[09:38] <auk> use dpkg tehn
[09:38] <gyaresu> firebird619, so you can download the packages manualy and then use 'dpkg -i thingy.deb'
[09:38] <Burgundavia> newbie, you might have better luck in #kubuntu
[09:38] <nickrud> newbie most everyone here uses gnome (ubuntu), sometimes there are some clueful people on #kubuntu
[09:38] <firebird619> gyaresu: where do I download from and how long about will it take.
[09:38] <auk> why does ubuntu need a seperate distro for kde, when no other distros do?
[09:39] <gyaresu> firebird619, do you have an old 486 machine lying around?
[09:39] <auk> i never could get that
[09:39] <Burgundavia> auk, it is not really a seperate distro
[09:39] <Burgundavia> auk, it is a deriviative
[09:39] <signius> apt-get also searches the CDs it depends what you got listed in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:39] <Burgundavia> auk, they use the same repos
[09:39] <firebird619> no, both my XP machine and Ubuntu machine are P4's
[09:39] <signius> there is a irc room for kubuntu tho isnt there ?
[09:39] <signius> #kubuntu
[09:39] <auk> Burgundavia: but it is a seperate install cd
[09:39] <nickrud> auk canonical supports gnome, and the masters of the universe do kubuntu, if my memory serves
[09:39] <Burgundavia> auk, that is smart
[09:39] <firebird619> gyaresu: 3.2 Ghz & 2.0 Ghz
[09:39] <Burgundavia> auk, people who are new to linux don't want to choose
[09:39] <breezy1patched-n> Madpilot, no thanks...i learned how to do things efficiently and intelligently from the wise old-timers....who knew resources were scarce......i see no reason to squander those additional and expensive resources foolishly
[09:40] <auk> but linux should not have to be modified for a de
[09:40] <Burgundavia> because they don't have enough info to make an informed decision
[09:40] <Burgundavia> auk, it isn't
[09:40] <devvvv> awsome@!
[09:40] <auk> it should run on top, and whatever modifications that need to be made shoudl be made by the de or by the user
[09:40] <breezy1patched-n> Madpilot, this is the reason nvidia is rich and SGI is broke......sure SGI and IBM can make the fastest computers in the world...but who wants them...people care about price and they like free or damn close to it
[09:40] <Madpilot> breezy1patched-n: yah, but they're not expensive anymore, or rare. 12x10 on a 19" screen rocks
[09:40] <gyaresu> firebird619, nah man, i'm thinking you need www.sharethenet.com (cept it's not up at the mo)
[09:40] <Burgundavia> auk, that is the way it works
[09:41] <auk> hmm
[09:41] <Burgundavia> auk, kubuntu and ubuntu use the same kernel and packages
[09:41] <nickrud> auk you can do apt-get ubuntu-desktop from a kubuntu install, or apt-get install kubuntu-desktop from an ubuntu install, and you'll end up with identical systems
[09:41] <nickrud> I think :)
[09:41] <firebird619> gyaresu: what is www.sharethenet.com
[09:41] <auk> oh
[09:41] <gyaresu> firebird619, you need an old computer to act as a router for your dialup network so you can have multiple boxes using the web.
[09:41] <alpha>  i installed normal ubuntu is then installed kde is there a difference with kubuntu?
[09:41] <Burgundavia> auk, they use exactly the same repos, they just don't bother the user with choices at install time
[09:41] <Burgundavia> alpha, no
[09:42] <gyaresu> firebird619, it's just like an adsl router for dialup. and it costs nothing. i used it for 3 years with many computers on dialup ( the horror)
[09:42] <othernoob> Burgundavia: how's giving the user the option to manually partition possible in that logic then?
[09:42] <firebird619> I have a network hub but I haven't got any Ethernet cables yet.
[09:42] <gyaresu> firebird619, and it runs from a floppy disk with no need for an HDD.
[09:42] <alpha> Burgundavia: thanks
[09:42] <Burgundavia> othernoob, that is being worked on and should be considered a bug
[09:43] <Burgundavia> othernoob, because it is quite a complex issue
[09:43] <othernoob> what is complex?
[09:43] <firebird619> gyaresu: Does networking the PC's and having all of them on the Web speed up the Web a lot, a little, what?
[09:43] <othernoob> partitioning?
[09:43] <othernoob> or choosing between KDE and Gnome?
[09:43] <othernoob> or the entire concept of free choice?
[09:43] <Burgundavia> othernoob, parititioning automatically is not easy
[09:43] <Seveas> othernoob, choosing between emacs and vim :)
[09:43] <Razor-X> Seveas: that's easy for me ;)
[09:43] <gyaresu> firebird619, it slows the net down. if they are all downloading (webpages/ files/ whatever)
[09:43] <Burgundavia> othernoob, you should only make the user make a decision where it matters and they have good info
[09:44] <othernoob> Burgundavia: i wouldn't know about that, never had it done automatically ;) i prefer to know what's being done
[09:44] <nickrud> a lot of window users understand partitions, but don't have a clue about kde or gnome.
[09:44] <Burgundavia> othernoob, but my grandmother or step-mother doesn't
[09:44] <auk> lol
[09:44] <Siropel> how can i install java (firefox ....for webpages)
[09:44] <Burgundavia> othernoob, nor do they care about kde vs gnome, or emaces vs vim
[09:44] <firebird619> gyaresu: but if one PC is downloading is it able to use the other PC/PC's to speed things up
[09:44] <OculusAquilae> hi
[09:44] <gyaresu> firebird619, ?
[09:44] <othernoob> Burgundavia: it's quite unlikely that your grandmother would choose linux to end up in here as well..
[09:44] <Burgundavia> othernoob, yes, but Ubuntu is aiming for everybody
[09:44] <OculusAquilae> do you also have problems with the new xserver-package in breezy?
[09:45] <Burgundavia> othernoob, Madpilot (who happens to be my brother), is a good example
[09:45] <ex-parrot> anyone know anything about the current compatability of vanilla wine vs Crossover Office vs cedega?
[09:45] <Burgundavia> OculusAquilae, yes
[09:45] <othernoob> Burgundavia: if they don't care about what they're getting, why get ubuntu at all?
[09:45] <Burgundavia> ex-parrot, cedega is a fork of wine
[09:45] <Burgundavia> othernoob, because they want a better os?
[09:45] <ex-parrot> Burgundavia, I sort of guessed that :)
[09:46] <alpha> othernoob: im really tempted to install ubuntu on my gramas computer that would end here constant downloading of spyware that she gets from her friends emails
[09:46] <Razor-X> othernoob: it's a level of commitment
[09:46] <nickrud> because it's free, and it'll run
[09:46] <Madpilot> othernoob: it's free. and better than MS...
[09:46] <OculusAquilae> Burgundavia: why?
[09:46] <Burgundavia> ex-parrot, they changed license to lgpl
[09:46] <othernoob> Burgundavia: that's debatable.
[09:46] <Razor-X> you have the commitment to learn Linux, and utilize it fully
[09:46] <Razor-X> others want something better, without the work
[09:46] <Burgundavia> OculusAquilae, breezy is the development version?
[09:46] <ex-parrot> I'm more interested in wine vs crossover office actually
[09:46] <Razor-X> now, I think that phisilophy is wrong, per-say, but to each his own
[09:46] <firebird619> gyaresu: I guess what I am asking is that if you have 2 or 3 PC's networked, if you are browsing, downloading, whatever on one PC and the other PC's are on the Internet as well doing nothing, do those other PC's help speed up the Internet. Maybe it is a stupid question, but I thought I would ask anyway.
[09:46] <Burgundavia> ex-parrot, crossover office is vanilla wine with some tweaks
[09:46] <ex-parrot> as I got MSN 7 running in Wine earlier but can't make it work in XOver so I am trying to decide which I should install on this machine....
[09:46] <Razor-X> *philosophy
[09:46] <Madpilot> heh. installing Ubuntu on this box was far less work than installing XP on it...
[09:47] <OculusAquilae> Burgundavia: yes
[09:47] <alpha> ex-parrot: msn 7 works in wine?
[09:47] <othernoob> ubuntus logic is very flawed imho...
[09:47] <alpha> rad
[09:47] <Razor-X> firebird619: does computer speed have any relation with internet speed? (want to know if you know the answer to this question)
[09:47] <alpha> ex-parrot: which parts are broken im guessing video/audio con wont work
[09:47] <Razor-X> othernoob: it's the "What caters to most" logic
[09:47] <auk> i'm beign kicked off the comp. good night everyone
[09:50] <Seveas> othernoob, which logic?
[09:50] <gyaresu>  firebird619 no. there is no speed increase. the benefit is that you can have 254 computers sharing your crappy dialup connection at the same time. (there are no stupid questions only stupid answers)
[09:51] <Seveas> split - splat
[09:51] <Razor-X> gyaresu: I beg to differ on teh last bit ;)
[09:51] <Madpilot> wheeeee
[09:51] <gyaresu> Razor-X, shoosh :)
[09:51] <alpha> nice netsplit
[09:51] <Jowi> haven't seen that since 1995
[09:51] <Razor-X> Jowi: ........
[09:51] <Razor-X> netsplits are common occurances
[09:51] <Seveas> they are annoying though
[09:52] <nickrud> makes me wonder where my last comments went :)
[09:52] <Seveas> probably /dev/null
[09:52] <Jowi> Razor-X, I guess i have been out of IRC for too long then :-)
[09:52] <alpha> i remember using them to take over channels in like 1995 hehe
[09:52] <Jowi> alpha, haha, yeah. i raised havoc on EFnet!
[09:52] <Razor-X> Jowi: I was 5 when I was in IRC
[09:53] <nickrud> could be, it wouldn't be the first time
[09:53] <Razor-X> *in 1995 ;)
[09:53] <Razor-X> gah, thought-process error
[09:53] <Seveas> rofl
[09:53] <Jowi> Coffee time!
[09:54] <Razor-X> I'm hoping to be the youngest Ubuntu member ;)
[09:55] <Jowi> Razor-X, you wish! my brother in-law is 5 and has learnt to put Spiderman as a background and search new Spiderman images on google :-)
[09:55] <nickrud> Razor-X you have been beat already :)
[09:55] <IceDC571> Jowi, i learnt how to spell when i was 5
[09:55] <Jowi> Did I say that he is a Spiderman fan? ;-)
[09:56] <light_punch2> is there a cd.iso availible to download to install the packages?  other machine is not on the network.
[09:56] <Razor-X> Jowi: Ubuntu member, not user ;)
[09:56] <Razor-X> and, I started Java at 7
[09:56] <Jowi> Razor-X, oh MEMBER.
[09:56] <Razor-X> true, Java was a very very crap language at the time
[09:56] <Razor-X> but, hey, I could make dialog-boxes ;)
[09:56] <IceDC571> lol debian sarge is a pain in the ass to set up
[09:56] <Razor-X> (remeber the book I was reading too)
[09:56] <IceDC571> Razor-X, remember when i said i was switching to debian?
[09:56] <Jowi> When I was 7 I was programming basic on my C64
[09:56] <Razor-X> IceDC571: yeah
[09:57] <Razor-X> Jowi: C64 has the kickassiest games
[09:57] <IceDC571> Razor-X: well i did and it takes forever and a year to set anything up
[09:57] <Razor-X> like Space Taxi
[09:57] <Jowi> ..and we had a TI99/4A
[09:57] <othernoob> okay, that was fun...
[09:57] <Burgundavia> and Seve cities of Gold
[09:57] <Razor-X> IceDC571: well, that was my first real distro
[09:57] <alpha> i wish compiling your own kernel was more streight forward in ubuntu
[09:57] <Jowi> Razor-X, it sure had
[09:57] <Razor-X> alpha: XDDD
[09:57] <Burgundavia> alpha, uumm?
[09:57] <Razor-X> compiling your kernel is _never_ straightforward
[09:57] <othernoob> Burgundavia: what did you mean by your last comment?
[09:57] <IceDC571> i know lol
[09:57] <alpha> sure it is
[09:57] <Razor-X> I need to quote that
[09:57] <breezy1patched-n> you see what SGI failed to understand is not everyone in this room wants a Cray supercomputer......no matter how fast.....everyone is a bottom-feeder and scavenger for free stuff...that is why they are all here in this room for example
[09:58] <nickrud> good night all
[09:58] <Burgundavia> othernoob, lost behind the netsplit. What was it again/
[09:58] <alpha> im used to just getting a package then sym link and type make && menuconfig
[09:58] <Razor-X> alpha: got ya quoted ;)
[09:58] <othernoob> concept10: according to Burgundavia a distro should only let a user make a decision where it matters, like ubuntu apparently does. now KDE or Gnome does matter imho, same with manual/automatic partitiong(according to Burgundavia it's considered a "bug").
 othernoob, if you ran ubuntu, would have kde and gnome optional to install on the same disk?
[09:59] <Burgundavia> ah yes
[09:59] <Razor-X> othernoob: the end user seems to prefer less choices
[09:59] <Burgundavia> othernoob, I was asking for your opinion
[09:59] <Razor-X> it speaks a lot about the intellect of the human race
[09:59] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, not less choices
[09:59] <Burgundavia> smarter choices
[09:59] <Boomba> Hey guys... i just recieved my CDs in the mail today. I tried to use the LiveCD but it doesn't boot properly. how do i configure my system to run from a boot CD?
[09:59] <IceDC571> Razor-X: is it just me or is debian still using XFree86 instead of Xorg?
[09:59] <Razor-X> Burgundavia: in my experience, less choices confuses them
[09:59] <Razor-X> *more
[09:59] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, apples or rockets?
[09:59] <othernoob> Razor-X: okay okay, less choice..goody goody good...now tell me, how many endusers you have seen in here asking about the sources.list?
[10:00] <guerrero> md5sum mismatch ...why does this occur when downloading packages?
[10:00] <Burgundavia> othernoob, don't need much knowledge to ask about that
[10:00] <gyaresu> Boomba, do yo uknow what the bios is?
[10:00] <Razor-X> othernoob: I haven't seen a single one asking for more repos ;)
[10:00] <Jowi> Boomba, you need to select your cdrom as a boot device in you BIOS
[10:00] <othernoob> guerrero: because you're using the us.archives
[10:00] <Burgundavia> guerrero, switch away from the us.arhcive
[10:00] <Razor-X> !badrepos
[10:00] <ubotu> badrepos are 'us.' in your /etc/apt/sources.list -- Remove them for better downloading
[10:00] <Boomba> no idea what BIOS is sorry
[10:00] <othernoob> Razor-X: but you sure have seen a hell of a lot in here asking how to edit it, what to add, and so on
[10:00] <guerrero> how do I switch away from the us archive?
[10:00] <gyaresu> Jowi, go for it...
[10:00] <Razor-X> othernoob: actually, no ;)
[10:00] <guerrero> ah
[10:00] <guerrero> ok
[10:01] <Razor-X> I have heard about the badrepos problem, though
[10:01] <othernoob> Razor-X: you don't pay attention do you ;)
[10:01] <Razor-X> ('s why I gave ubotu a statement)
[10:01] <Burgundavia> Razor-X, what I meant by my non-sensical question, was that, without the knowledge to tell gnome and kde apart, the average user cannot make a decision
[10:01] <Razor-X> I'm gone at summer-school half the day at a course easier than breathing
[10:01] <othernoob> Razor-X: everytime i'm here there are at least 5-10 people asking about it
[10:01] <Razor-X> (Algebra II)
[10:01] <Jowi> Boomba, when your computer starts you will probably see a count for memory and such. there is usually a text saying "press DEL to enter bios" but only for a few seconds.
[10:01] <gyaresu> Jowi, thanks (i'm on the phone)
[10:02] <Madpilot> Boomba: some computers use "F2" to enter BIOS. Some Dells do, I know
[10:02] <gyaresu> Boomba, Jowi or F1 or F2 for Hewlett Packards.
[10:02] <Razor-X> Boomba: or F1, or F2, or F3
[10:02] <alpha> compiling your own kernel will help out alot so i dont see why its not done more
[10:02] <Jowi> Boomba, if you have a DELL computer it might just be an image without any text. DELLs uses F2
[10:02] <Razor-X> and even F5 in some cases
[10:02] <Jowi> gyaresu, you beet me to it! :-)
[10:02] <Burgundavia> alpha, only in certain places
[10:02] <guerrero> so I should comment out the us.* archive lines?  and leave only the security.ubuntu lines?
[10:02] <othernoob> Burgundavia: back to the thing you asked before the netsplit, i didn't really understand what you asked. am i right you asked me if i wanted KDE and Gnome optional on the ubuntu cd? if so, yes
[10:02] <shoutmaya> is there anyone who use Emacs? I want to get emacs-gtk(CVS version)
[10:02] <Burgundavia> alpha, and most certainly not something that we should recommend on #ubuntu
[10:02] <Razor-X> alpha: kernel compilation only helps in a spare few things
[10:03] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: hey ;)
[10:03] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, yes?
[10:03] <alpha> Burgundavia: i have a laptop so im guessing its a "few things"
[10:03] <alpha> hehe
[10:03] <overture> my situation is that i have to allow 20GB of storage for each user on our system, but many won't use that much (i.e. setting up 10 users on a 200GB drive would be an utter waste of space). so i'm trying to come up with a more intelligent method.  combining drives (logically) seemed like a good idea, if that's possible.  any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
[10:03] <Seveas> guerrero, no
[10:03] <othernoob> guerrero: no, just delete the "us." in the url or replace the "us" with ca or uk or fi or de...
[10:03] <Razor-X> then, get the cvs, make sure you have autoconf and automake, and make it
[10:03] <Boomba> Jowi, thanks. i'll try that. Madpilot, gyaresu and Razor-X, thanks for confusing me. I'll give it a go and ill be back if it doesnt work... thanks a heap guys
[10:03] <Jowi> Boomba, you need to have a close look at the first thing that shows when your computer starts to know
[10:03] <Seveas> just change us.archive to archive
[10:03] <Razor-X> and make sure you have the correct libs
[10:03] <Burgundavia> alpha, if it doesn't work ootb, it is a bug
[10:03] <Razor-X> (although I prefer plain emacs meself)
[10:03] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, yes..
[10:03] <Boomba> Jowi, will do. Thanks
[10:03] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: the problem then?
[10:03] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, ah... i'll try
[10:03] <Razor-X> you familiar with compiling, shoutmaya ?
[10:03] <Seveas> othernoob, a big LVM for /home would work
[10:03] <Burgundavia> othernoob, did you see my apples vs. rockets comment? that is what the kde vs gnome question looks like to a non-linux head
[10:04] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, just configure and make make install ?
[10:04] <othernoob> Seveas ?
[10:04] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: well, that, and have the neccessary libraries
[10:04] <Seveas> othernoob, LVM is the thing that combines drives :)
[10:04] <Razor-X> if something asks you for libsdl, make sure to have that lib and the -dev lib
[10:04] <shoutmaya> ah.. neccessary lib..
[10:04] <Razor-X> Seveas: a pain in the arse for me
[10:04] <othernoob> Seveas: quite right, but i didn't ask anything about it ;)
[10:04] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, ah.. yes!
[10:04] <Burgundavia> othernoob, and Ubuntu is firmly aimed at everybody
[10:04] <Seveas> othernoob, "My situation is...."
[10:05] <Seveas> few lines back
[10:05] <Razor-X> i'm considering partitioning a music/video partition in ReiserFS
[10:05] <Seveas> ah narf
[10:05] <othernoob> Seveas: scroll up ;) it wasnt me
[10:05] <Seveas> misread the nick :)
[10:05] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: any particular reason you want bleeding edge?
[10:05] <othernoob> Seveas: s'ok ;)
[10:05] <overture> Seveas, heh no worries
[10:05] <Seveas> overture, that was for you :)
[10:06] <Razor-X> emacs is gonna be harder if you compile it, some add-ons are just more convenient if you have the emacs package
[10:06] <overture> Seveas, with lvm, if a drive fails, can you still access data from other drives?
[10:06] <othernoob> Burgundavia: sure it is. but what about the sources.list for example? average joe doesn't want to have to edit it. neither does average joe have to enable DMA for his cd/dvd drive.
[10:06] <Seveas> overture, ENOIDEA
[10:06] <Seveas> i'd think so, but i'm not sure
[10:06] <Seveas> read the documentation :)
[10:06] <Burgundavia> othernoob, those are bugs in need a good solution
[10:06] <guerrero> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:07] <shoutmaya> hmm..
[10:07] <Burgundavia> othernoob, and they are coming
[10:07] <breezy1patched-n> shoutmaya, yes...i have used emacs successfully and still do from time to time
[10:07] <Seveas> guerrero, apt-get update
[10:07] <breezy1patched-n> shoutmaya, why do you ask
[10:07] <shoutmaya> breezy1patched-n, what ask? emacs?
[10:07] <Jowi> othernoob, they really should turn on dma by default. i agree
[10:07] <breezy1patched-n> shoutmaya, it is not my favorite even though it is RMS's favorite...but nevertheless it can be quite useful
[10:07] <breezy1patched-n> shoutmaya, yes emacs
[10:08] <othernoob> Burgundavia: are you saying that it won't be possible to choose between automatic and manual partitioning? will that come too? since you considered it a bug earlier
[10:08] <shoutmaya> breezy1patched-n, because, i use emacs, and today i installed ubuntu
[10:08] <othernoob> Jowi: yea. same with Numlock imho
[10:08] <shoutmaya> and now, i looking for EMACS-GTK
[10:08] <breezy1patched-n> shoutmaya, well there is a version of emacs for ubuntu for free so you should not have a problem
[10:08] <guerrero> Seveas, othernoob, thanks!!!
[10:08] <othernoob> guerrero: you're welcome
[10:08] <shoutmaya> breezy1patched-n, umm? emacs21 ?
[10:08] <Razor-X> i'm a total emacs buff ;)
[10:08] <charles> ok when i extract a tar file it keeps making a usr directory in my home
[10:09] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: it's officially called xemacs
[10:09] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, wow :-)
[10:09] <Razor-X> emacs21, yes, that has X
[10:09] <Burgundavia> othernoob, the default install cd is going to be unified with the installer. Which will have an option for "make room for ubuntu" You can always manually partition
[10:09] <charles> i tried doing it as root and now i just have a folder i cant delete in there
[10:09] <shoutmaya> i don't use xemacs :-)
[10:09] <Razor-X> (yes, this IRC session is run in emacs)
[10:09] <shoutmaya> I prefer GNU EMACS
[10:09] <Razor-X> then, emacs21-nox
[10:09] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, me too
[10:09] <Razor-X> ;) good
[10:09] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, i use ERC
[10:09] <breezy1patched-n> shoutmaya, well i don't blame you one bit
[10:09] <Razor-X> same here
[10:09] <shoutmaya> breezy1patched-n, :-)
[10:09] <Razor-X> EMMS is a tad bit underfeatured though...
[10:09] <Razor-X> w3m is kickarse ;)
[10:09] <Jowi> othernoob, numlock is another issue. Me and some friends are using non-standard keyboards without a num-pad (they are getting more and more common) and that use numlock to activate num-keys on top of normal keys. would be really hard to type in anything during installation with it enabled. at least for me :-)
[10:09] <shoutmaya> bad?
[10:10] <shoutmaya> tad -> bad?
[10:10] <shoutmaya> :-)
[10:10] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: never heard tad?
[10:10] <Razor-X> tad == little
[10:10] <shoutmaya> breezy1patched-n, ah.. :-)
[10:10] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, ah.. sorry i'm not good at english :-)
[10:10] <Razor-X> ahhh, I see
[10:10] <shoutmaya> i use EMMS too :-)
[10:10] <othernoob> Jowi: well yes ;) but you're not average joe with a standard pc from some computer store now are you?
[10:10] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: how do you pause your music? ;)
[10:10] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, huk;
[10:11] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, i don't know...
[10:11] <Razor-X> ;)
[10:11] <[Boomba] > Hey guys. Back again. When I restarted, I saw F9 for Express Recovery, F5 for something, which did nothing, and DEL for setup. Nothing good though... any other ways to get it to boot properly?
[10:11] <Jowi> othernoob, that i am not. hmmmm... maybe i need a DELL ;-)
[10:11] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, M-x emms-stop --> completely stop
[10:11] <shoutmaya> may emms use mpg123 and ogg123
[10:11] <Razor-X> if I know i'm not about to get interrupted, I use emms, elsewise I just use cplay
[10:11] <gyaresu> Boomba, you wanted DEL
[10:11] <[Boomba] > ahh
[10:11] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, ah, yes..
[10:11] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: or M-x emms-pbi RET
[10:11] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, play list :-)
[10:11] <Razor-X> and then scroll to a choice, and hit 's'
[10:11] <gyaresu> Boomba, Then 'boot options' or similar
[10:11] <[Boomba] > thanks, gyaresu :)
[10:11] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, yes i know :-)
[10:12] <Razor-X> or anywhere, and hit s
[10:12] <Razor-X> yeah yeah, heh
[10:12] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, anywhere hit s?
[10:12] <Razor-X> yeah, anywhere
[10:12] <[Boomba] > ok, ill try that gyaresu. thanks
[10:12] <Jowi> Boomba, DEL for setup. that's it!
[10:12] <Razor-X> anywhere in emms-pbi
[10:12] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, in emms-pbi
[10:12] <shoutmaya> haha yeah
[10:12] <gyaresu> Boomba, see you soon
[10:12] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, what's your major using of emacs?
[10:12] <[Boomba] > seeya gyaresu ;)
[10:12] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: everything ;)
[10:13] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, haha.. Do you Programming?
[10:13] <Razor-X> ohh, ahhh
[10:13] <Gourami> can anyone recommend a better application than X-Chat ??
[10:13] <Razor-X> used to program, haven't in a while
[10:13] <Seveas> Gourami, irssi perhaps
[10:13] <Seveas> or IRC in gaim
[10:13] <Razor-X> emacs is useful for LaTeX, and everything else I do in text
[10:13] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, ah.. yes.. :-)
[10:13] <Seveas> it all depends on what you call 'better'
[10:13] <visor> anybody have been having problems with totem cpu-ussage?
[10:13] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, yeah that's right! haha
[10:13] <othernoob> Burgundavia: i'm not saying that ubuntu is a bad distro, i'm just saying it's not really doing anything bodacious that other distros haven't done before. lycoris for example. but ubuntu does have powerful marketing. and could you tell me which other distro had free cd shipping before? a major factor in its popularity i'd say
[10:13] <OculusAquilae> Gourami: I think X-Chat is very good, under KDE i would use konversation
[10:14] <Jowi> Gourami, doesn't firefox got a irc plugin as well?
[10:14] <Burgundavia> othernoob, there is strong focus on free usablity, which other distros don't have
[10:14] <OculusAquilae> Jowi: yes i think firefox has a irc plugin
[10:14] <Seveas> othernoob, well, a complete, stable and up-to-date desktop is a feature I never saw before :)
[10:14] <othernoob> Burgundavia: define free usability
[10:14] <Burgundavia> othernoob, lycoris and linspire are all non-free
[10:14] <visor> it takes 50% of cpu on my machine
[10:14] <visor> :S
[10:14] <Jowi> OculusAquilae, thought i saw it somewhere, yes. no idea if it is any good though....
[10:14] <Burgundavia> othernoob, usability without being non-free
[10:14] <emo> Hi . I wanna ask a question concerned about a Canon Printer  which I can not install on my Ubuntu Distribution. The Priter is brand new and is multyfunctional(Its enhanced with a scanner) The model of the prinetr is MF5630. I didn't find any drivers for this printer on canon official web site, and i really need to use linux...I have a CD comming with the printer but there are only Windows driver instalations:( I REALLY NED YOUR HELP
[10:15] <Gourami> X-chat really doesnt perform to the equivelant of MIRC, unable to tile windows, channel listing looks terrible etc
[10:15] <gyaresu> emo, http://www.linuxprinting.org/
[10:16] <gyaresu> emo, to start with...
[10:16] <visor> or really, nobody uses totem-gstreamer?
[10:16] <othernoob> Seveas: where's the ubuntu 2.6.12 kernel?
[10:16] <Seveas> othernoob, in Breezy
[10:16] <Seveas> that hoary does not have it is stability
[10:17] <othernoob> Seveas: so it's not quite uptodate or is it?
[10:17] <gyaresu> othernoob, why do you need it.
[10:17] <Seveas> 2.6.10 IS up to date
[10:17] <othernoob> gyaresu: i don't need it. it was a question of whether ubuntu is uptodate or not
[10:17] <brz> visor, i've never, ever been able to get totem-gstreamer working... so.... can't vouch for it
[10:17] <Razor-X> back
[10:17] <gyaresu> othernoob, ah.
[10:17] <othernoob> Seveas: 2.6.10 isn't the latest though
[10:17] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: I'm hoping I can teach my sister emacs starting from 6 ;)
[10:17] <Jowi> visor, i use totem-xine (not totem-gstreamer) it is not a big cpu hog for me. I'm on a 1Ghz machine
[10:17] <Seveas> othernoob, up to date is not equivalent to latest....
[10:17] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, huk, Sister? haha
[10:18] <othernoob> Seveas: define the difference
[10:18] <ivan_> hi does anybody use bittorrent in ubuntu?
[10:18] <guerrero> othernoob there is a tradeoff between 'latest' bleeding edge and tried and true...hoary lags a little, but maybe that's for the best stability wise
[10:18] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, She can computer well?
[10:18] <Seveas> othernoob, always having the latest is bleeding edge
[10:18] <kush> hi  to all!!! is this the only one channel about ubuntu on freenode or there is someone else?
[10:18] <Jowi> visor, i can watch DVD's and it takes about 50% of my CPU
[10:18] <Seveas> up to date means recent
[10:18] <Seveas> and 2.6.10 is recent...
[10:18] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: she's almost 2 ;)
[10:18] <othernoob> guerrero: if you argument like that, Debian/stable should rather be the choice of the masses ;)
[10:18] <emo> nope...in this site, there is no LaserBase MF5630 driver:( there are many other drivers that comes with my distribution also, but none of them seems to work!!!!I tried using about 5 kinds of drivers so i can start the printer functionality at least, but no effect...
[10:18] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, ah~~~ very young
[10:18] <Burgundavia> visor, totem-gstreamer is mostly unusable, unfortnately
[10:18] <Razor-X> but, with me as her brother, she'll grow up never learning Windows
[10:19] <visor> the odd thing is that my laptop plays all fine, but in this machine that has apm and not acpi it seems to take 50% of cpu usage which is kinda annonying
[10:19] <charles> can someone show me how to make a symbolic link
[10:19] <guerrero> othernoob...trade off...its a continuum...
[10:19] <othernoob> Seveas: but what is the difference between latest and uptodate
[10:19] <visor> i have found that many apps have problems with machines without acpi, must be a kernel thing
[10:19] <Jowi> kush, there are ubuntu channels for different languages
[10:19] <ivan_> charles: ln -s
[10:19] <brz> ln -s originalfile newfakethingy
[10:19] <charles> ivan_, thanks
[10:19] <Seveas> othernoob, the fact that up to date does not neccesarily mean latest is the difference...
[10:19] <emo> gyaresu, nope...in this site, there is no LaserBase MF5630 driver:( there are many other drivers that comes with my distribution also, but none of them seems to work!!!!I tried using about 5 kinds of drivers so i can start the printer functionality at least, but no effect...
[10:19] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, my emms paused by s , and how to re start?
[10:19] <guerrero> its ultimately an arbitrary decision...but debian/stable is a little too tried and true and not 'up to date' enough
[10:20] <othernoob> Seveas: actually, just considering the english language, latest and up-to-date are synonyms
[10:20] <visor> ohh and rhythmbox crashes when loading the files hehe
[10:20] <Jowi> visor, then maybe X uses vesa driver or something not hardware accelerated on that PC
[10:20] <gyaresu> emo, then i can only recommend google
[10:20] <ivan_> when bittorrent ask for a metal file on start up, where to look for such file?
[10:20] <visor> i think i better get used to xine, gstreamer seems to suck still
[10:20] <Seveas> othernoob, not when you talk about these matters...
[10:20] <kush> i have a question guys.... if i try to install the last mono packages i have seg fault on all mono apps... any hint?
[10:20] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, ah, s -> stop not pause :-)
[10:20] <Seveas> kush, yeah, you will probably need to recompile these applications...
[10:20] <breezy1patched-n> Gourami, well like i said before...take your fancy and expensive mirc and shove it .....everybody here are bottom-feeders and we just like it free whether it works or not...and in many cases where it does not work...we say it works good enough
[10:21] <Razor-X> shoutmaya: s is stop
[10:21] <visor> Jowi: i have a GeForce fx 5200 with the proper drivers, but yet i have these problems
[10:21] <Razor-X> just hit 'p', IIRC
[10:21] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, yes..
[10:21] <guerrero> othernoob, without resorting to splitting hairs about the meanings of the words, I think you can see the argument
[10:21] <othernoob> Seveas: i'd accept that if i had used "the most recent" instead of latest..
[10:21] <Seveas> breezy1patched-n.....
[10:21] <Razor-X> breezy1patched-n: mIRC works?
[10:21] <Jowi> visor, that is wierd. type: glxinfo and have a look
[10:21] <charles> umm for some reason i dont have permission in my /home folder
[10:21] <charles> would it be bad to change that
[10:21] <Seveas> othernoob, these two are synonyms
[10:21] <Razor-X> news to my ears, sure o that
[10:21] <visor> Jowi: 1400 fps
[10:21] <breezy1patched-n> Razor-X, i don't care how good mirc works...it costs money!
[10:21] <Razor-X> breezy1patched-n: so?
[10:22] <Razor-X> money is not that much of a detractor to me
[10:22] <Razor-X> I'm an Opera user, damn proud
[10:22] <othernoob> Seveas: i know ;)
[10:22] <Seveas> breezy1patched-n, please keep it friendly in here...
[10:22] <guerrero> othernoob, your point is taken though...what criterion would you use to decide when a kernel version is 'stable' and tried enough to be put in a distro with the goals of ubuntu
[10:22] <Jowi> visor, that would do for playing a Batman trailer ;-)
[10:22] <Razor-X> the world of Linux is not free beer, it's free speech
[10:22] <emo> gyaresu, i tried searching the google for drivers but no results.....I have another idea....I can use a virtual machine instead, but would you tell me weather the VMware will do the trick????I need a virtual machine which is linux compatible, but i can't find one anywhere.....qemu dont do what I need, and what i need is a virtual machine which works exactly the way Virtual PC for Windows works....
[10:22] <Razor-X> understand that
[10:22] <Seveas> guerrero, for instance hotplug working is essential :)
[10:22] <visor> Jowi: i tell you, its wierd, because i never had problems with ubuntu, only on this machine, performance is really bad, and i havent installed anything else that doesnt come with the CD
[10:22] <shoutmaya> not free beer!
[10:22] <guerrero> seveas, agreed
[10:22] <shoutmaya> free as freedom? :-)
[10:22] <othernoob> guerrero: when it's considered stable at kernel.org
[10:22] <breezy1patched-n> Razor-X, you try to understand that unrestricted distribution always leads to excess supply and zero price....free speech IS free beer.
[10:22] <Razor-X> yes, free as in freedom == free as in speech
[10:22] <Seveas> othernoob, bull.
[10:22] <charles> should i have permissions in my home folder?
[10:23] <gyaresu> emo, (i'm on the phone...i'll think)
[10:23] <Seveas> the kernel is only part of the system
[10:23] <othernoob> Seveas: the kernel is the system
[10:23] <overture> charles, what do you mean?
[10:23] <guerrero> othernoob, but stable with respect to all the components that are supported by ubuntu...or your distro of choice
[10:23] <Seveas> the cooperation between kernel and the rest must be stable
[10:23] <Razor-X> breezy1patched-n: and the fact that, without compensation for utilities, eventually, utilities aren't developed
[10:23] <othernoob> Seveas: the rest around are just programs
[10:23] <Seveas> and for 2.6.12 that is not yet the case
[10:23] <emo> gyaresu, sure ... i willl wait
[10:23] <ShamblyHermit> ubuntu doesn't like my laptop's 3Com network card.
[10:23] <charles> overture, my /home/ is owned by root
[10:23] <Razor-X> we all need food, even the GNU software developers
[10:23] <charles> overture, i cant create folders and whatnor
[10:23] <overture> charles, all folders have permissions, but i assume you mean something else?
[10:23] <visor> i dont mean to be disrespectful to ubuntu developers but why they package so many things broken (like g-streamer deppendent apps)?
[10:23] <Razor-X> free is not god, i'm not a communist
[10:23] <breezy1patched-n> Razor-X, again...we are bottom-feeders...we don't care...we say it works "GOOD ENOUGH"
[10:23] <overture> ah
[10:23] <charles> overture, i mean my home is owned by root
[10:23] <charles> overture, im asking if this is normal
[10:24] <Seveas> othernoob, get some clue....
[10:24] <pinko> charles: that's bad.
[10:24] <peterretief> open is not free
[10:24] <overture> you mean /home or /home/charles (or whatever it is)
[10:24] <Seveas> without stable interaction to userland, a 'stable' kernel is useless
[10:24] <breezy1patched-n> peterretief, no open is not free at all...and is a serious trap
[10:24] <charles> pinko, i didnt change any permissions
[10:24] <Jowi> visor, maybe it is your soundcard that is causing troubles. gconf-editor, check system->gstreamer->0.8->default. audiosink. you can try change it to "alsasink device=hw:0"
[10:24] <charles> overture, yeah its the /home/charles
[10:24] <othernoob> Seveas: i do have some clue. but let me ask you this. why is there a 2.6.11 kernel for ubuntu?
[10:24] <overture> you should be the owner of /home/charles
[10:24] <guerrero> anyway...othernoob, you can probably imagine the kind of reasoning and arithmetic that goes into deciding whether or not ubuntu hoary will have kernel version X.Y.Z even if its not the latest
[10:24] <Seveas> othernoob, that was a test build
[10:24] <peterretief> open is common to most sciences
[10:24] <Seveas> othernoob, massively unstable
[10:24] <overture> usually /home is owned by root, group staff
[10:25] <Seveas> breezy1patched-n: Please keep the code of conduct in mind when chatting here. You can find it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[10:25] <pinko> charles: this reminds me of a recent supreme court ruling
[10:25] <Razor-X> breezy1patched-n: then stick with nano, for all I care
[10:25] <othernoob> Seveas: what's it in the repos for though?
[10:25] <kush> anyone knows how to solve the mono apps seg fault with latest mono packages? (fetched from backports apt resource)
[10:25] <Razor-X> when you say we, remember not to include me
[10:25] <guerrero> othernoob, to confuse me!
[10:25] <guerrero> :-)
[10:25] <Razor-X> I care if my product works, whether I paid money or not
[10:25] <Seveas> othernoob, ENOIDEA, i'd rather see it gone from there
[10:25] <visor> Jowi: yeah it could be, im going to check, the complain about gstreamer is that many users cant do anything with related apps, no dvd support, hard to find plugins, those kind of issues
[10:25] <breezy1patched-n> Seveas, i am trying to...but some people fail to understand that free speech=free beer and also Open Source has nothing in common with Free Software
[10:25] <charles> overture, well the last ownership command i did was chown on a ./usr folder but it was a bad install it wasnt the real /usr folder
[10:25] <Seveas> breezy1patched-n, this is not a channel for religious debates
[10:25] <overture> hrm
[10:26] <othernoob> Seveas: so would I, but see, why can't 2.6.12 be there? even if it's not stable in ubuntu?
[10:26] <charles> overture, i extracted it in my home folder by mistake so i changed ownership to delete it
[10:26] <Seveas> othernoob, because it (the package) came out after ubuntu was released
[10:26] <overture> well, you can chmod -R charles:charles /home/charles if need be
[10:26] <Razor-X> there's a huge reason the GNU license allows you to charge money for their products, we aren't all bottom-feeder, you know
[10:26] <shoutmaya> FSF != Open source in perfect
[10:26] <charles> overture, ok i was just scared that it would mess something up somehow
[10:26] <Jowi> visor, i agree. there is some tinkering to be done to get things to work ok. there are legal issues to consider though that are not cleared up yet. i heard that Fedora has removed MP3 support as well.
[10:26] <charles> overture, i have done some stupid stuff with permissions b4
[10:26] <Mafi> why do I get "bad data from traker" with gnome bittorrent?
[10:26] <Seveas> and after the hoary release the hoary repos are not updated (only -security and -updates but these are on different locations)
[10:26] <overture> charles, hehe
[10:26] <othernoob> Seveas: but is that a reason? firefox 1.04 came out after ubuntu was released as well..
[10:27] <breezy1patched-n> Seveas, well...religion aside....the open source creeps are trying to ride on the coattails of the free software programmers...and should be kicked off.
[10:27] <shoutmaya> See the documentary "Revolution OS" !!
[10:27] <overture> ^^ awesome
[10:27] <Razor-X> breezy1patched-n: isn't that a form of... religion?
[10:27] <Seveas> othernoob, only the security fixes have been backported
[10:27] <othernoob> Seveas: but wouldn't you consider a new kernel an update?
[10:27] <Seveas> breezy1patched-n, for the last time, read the coc
[10:27] <Seveas> othernoob, yes, but no security update
[10:27] <Burgundavia> othernoob, yes, but the chances for much breakage are too much
[10:27] <Razor-X> this isn't #ubuntu-dogma, this is #ubuntu
[10:27] <Mafi> please help me with gnome bittorrent
[10:27] <Seveas> othernoob, and new features are not implemented in a stable release
[10:28] <overture> EVERYONE GOTO THE DOGMAN CHANNEL!!!!
[10:28] <othernoob> Burgundavia: so? Breezy can be obtained :p
[10:28] <Mafi> I get bad data from tracker every time
[10:28] <visor> Jowi: basically what i think we users should do is to encourage people to use open formats, that way we will have less problems than we do already, its hard to suport things like mp3, dvd, samba, msword etc.
[10:28] <Razor-X> overture: ............
[10:28] <charles> overture, btw dont u mean chown -R charles /home/charles?
[10:28] <Burgundavia> othernoob, in the stable is what I meant
[10:28] <charles> overture, chmod is different
[10:28] <overture> charles, good point
[10:28] <porcubuntu> What app do you use to find out how much physical RAM you have installed?
[10:28] <charles> overture, yeah i cant see my folder now
[10:28] <Seveas> porcubuntu, cat /proc/meminfo
[10:28] <overture> *notices its 3:28am*
[10:29] <porcubuntu> ta!
[10:29] <othernoob> Seveas: do you work for ubuntu?
[10:29] <visor> well, nice, totem-xine only takes 8% of cpu
[10:29] <Razor-X> ok, now if you people will excuse me, i'm off to enjoy some manga, and turn in for the night
[10:29] <Mafi> again same error
[10:29] <shoutmaya> Political things Not important! Just love GNU OpenSource FSF etc..
[10:29] <Seveas> othernoob, no
[10:29] <guerrero> othernoob, you mean canonical
[10:29] <guerrero> ?
[10:29] <charles> overture, wow what hte fuck i did chown -R charles and it wont let me in the folder now
[10:29] <overture> charles, after chowning it you cant see it???
[10:29] <charles> overture, yeah
[10:30] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, sorry, but what's the point of Conversation ?
[10:30] <overture> what are the permissions on it set to?
[10:30] <visor> its funny because it was suppossed that totem was going to be the gstreamer player and that xine support has been left in favor for gstreamer, yet gstreamer has so many issues :S
[10:30] <shoutmaya> Razor-X, Free beer or Free charge?
[10:30] <othernoob> guerrero: canonical? in which context? where?
[10:30] <Mafi> is there anyone who use bittorrent?
[10:30] <Jowi> visor, i totally agree. I would much like to see OGG becoming standard in "mp3"-players as well. Have a Samsung player that supports it (all qualities). Samba was a breeze to set up though.
[10:30] <charles> overture, i have no idea it wont let me into my home folder now
[10:30] <guerrero> othernoob, "do you work for ubuntu"
[10:30] <Jowi> visor, yeah. totem-xine is so much better
[10:30] <pinko> charles: it almost sounds as though you yourself are not charles
[10:30] <Razor-X> uggghhhh
[10:30] <guerrero> othernoob, ubuntu is an open source distro
[10:30] <othernoob> guerrero: ah okay, yes
[10:30] <Razor-X> wget needs wildcard support in HTML
[10:30] <Seveas> guerrero, not only canonical employees work for ubuntu...
[10:31] <guerrero> exactly
[10:31] <overture> charles, go with pinko's idea and do a whoami for shits and giggles?
[10:31] <guerrero> that's my point
[10:31] <othernoob> guerrero: eh..i know that. disregard my nick
[10:31] <charles> lol this is retarted
[10:31] <guerrero> anyone who contributes to linux and oss works for ubuntu :-)
[10:31] <charles> im charles
[10:31] <charles> god dammit
[10:31] <shoutmaya> ooooooooo.
[10:31] <Razor-X> can you specify something like a wget series?
[10:31] <Seveas> guerby, nice :)
[10:31] <overture> weird
[10:31] <Razor-X> because this art pissing me off
[10:31] <Seveas> guerrero*
[10:31] <charles> overture, its because of ur command
[10:31] <Seveas> Razor-X, sure
[10:31] <Seveas> put all urls in a file
[10:31] <visor> Jowi: but i think, that, if something doesnt work it should not be shipped, it only makes bad name to linux as a desktop, so it should be packaged totem-xine in favor of gstreamer version as an example
[10:31] <Razor-X> and curl can do it, but output is passed to stdout, which means I have to pipe five files output into one file
[10:31] <guerrero> othernoob, don't worry...you were jonny on the spot for my sources.list problem...I know you are no noob
[10:31] <charles> overture, ill paste the output to u
[10:32] <Razor-X> Seveas: and wget the file?
[10:32] <Seveas> Razor-X, read the manpage, it has a switch for that
[10:32] <Razor-X> mmmmkay
[10:32] <catfox> any ideas why the suspend item on my logout menu just blanks the screen for 2 seconds, then returns me to my desktop?
[10:32] <palli> try: $ for i in `seq 0 100` ; do wget "http://example.com/yourporn$i.html" ; done
[10:32] <visor> Jowi: and of course im not saying it is bad, i have been using linux since i was 13 or so (im 20 old) and i can clearly see how it has matured in the desktop
[10:32] <overture> charles, chown -R charles:charles /home/charles cannot possible do that.  unless you have crazy permissions that don't give the owner read access but give it to others
[10:33] <charles> overture, i sent u my console
[10:33] <Jowi> visor, i tried to file a "bug" for that on bugzilla. And other things as well. For example nautilus cd burn utility is seriously lacking features. would be better to ship graveman instead. Ubuntu rocks and i can see the improvement during the past year on linux but some things still need change.
[10:34] <guerrero> i'm trying to get familiar with ubuntu so I can impose it upon all my computer illiterate family that call on me for virus removal help all the time
[10:34] <breezy1patched-n> visor, forget open formats...go to free formats
[10:35] <Jowi> visor, nautilus/gnome has had gstreamer issues since forever now. Unfortunatley!
[10:35] <guerrero> agreed Jowi...its still hard to set things up
[10:35] <Seveas> breezy1patched-n, well well, you little turd, avoiding bans by changing ident
[10:35] <guerrero> but getting better..still not quite there for the 'it just works' crowd
[10:36] <anacron> is it easy to make ubuntu work as router, like smoothwall does?
[10:36] <Elviz> Hello Help To Me..!! ?
[10:36] <visor> breezy: yep, anything that isnt patent-encumbered
[10:36] <Madpilot> hah... I take it breezy1... has been here before?
[10:36] <Jowi> guerby, visor, but then again: ubuntu has been alot easier to set up and use than a windows installation for both me and my family-in-law. and i can administer everything via SSH. it totally rocks.
[10:36] <Seveas> anacron, yes
[10:37] <guerrero> Jowi...thats the appeal
[10:37] <Seveas> firestarter can do that
[10:37] <guerrero> no more viruses...I can log in remotely and set things up for them
[10:37] <ShamblyHermit> hmm 2.6 kernels appear to have an issue with my 3Com ethernet card
[10:37] <visor> Jowi: yes it does, but for some details theres much work to do like acpi-support, multimedia, etc..
[10:37] <anacron> Seveas: can you configure it trough browser?
[10:37] <Seveas> anacron, firestarter not
[10:37] <tot3lmon> hello,bon dia,buenos dias
[10:37] <konki> anyone has some documentations on installing application, MANUALLY...
[10:37] <Seveas> but there are browser-based options
[10:38] <gijosh> Can you guys suggest a server for just transfering files back 'n' forth?  I'd use ftp, but I'm wanting something encrypted.  Security is the main thing.
[10:38] <Seveas> gijosh, sftp
[10:38] <overture> konki, it usually depends on the app
[10:38] <guerrero> part of the problem is ...its such a moving target...and the closed source community has the installed base by the balls...open source is always playing catch up
[10:38] <Jowi> guerrero, no more wasting weekends going back-and-forth for a missing driver-cd. no more viruses. no more general maintanance other than "apt-get update" "apt-get upgrade"
[10:38] <anacron> Seveas: okay, thanks for info, you might have to help me tomorrow :D
[10:38] <Seveas> :)
[10:38] <overture> konki, but ./configure && make && sudo make install is a generic way to compile *most* apps from source
[10:38] <pinko> excellent point.  if I did stick my dad with an operating system he'd never figure out, I wouldn't have to visit him to fix it.
[10:38] <gijosh> Seveas: vsftpd - The Very Secure FTP Daemon
[10:38] <gijosh> krb5-ftpd - Secure FTP server supporting MIT Kerberos
[10:38] <Seveas> overture, ditch the last step
[10:38] <gijosh> crap
[10:38] <gijosh> I meant to ask which one of those you were refering to.
[10:39] <Seveas> overture, and use sudo checkinstall
[10:39] <Seveas> gijosh, vsftpd can do sftp
[10:39] <overture> Seveas, ah, good idea
[10:39] <konki> overture, i know how to install from the synaptic pkg mngr, but what if i downloaded a file??
[10:39] <othernoob> Seveas: would you really suggest ubuntu as router?
[10:39] <Seveas> konki, a .deb file?
[10:39] <konki> yes...
[10:39] <Jowi> pinko, i thought that would be a problem but enable remote-desktop and ssh and you can show him "live" how to use it. it is really fantastic.
[10:39] <Seveas> othernoob, depends....
[10:39] <Elviz> Alguien Habla Espaol Necesito Una Ayuda...
[10:39] <guerrero> Jowi..i have met some resistance though...my sister wants a user friendly OS...and is resisting ubuntu...even though right now her wind0ze box is owned by a trojan and virtually unusable
[10:40] <konki> Seveas, yes a .deb file
[10:40] <guerrero> Evliz: yo hablo espagnol
[10:40] <Seveas> Elviz, va en #ubuntu-es por espaol
[10:40] <overture> konki, source tarball or a package (i.e .deb .rpm etc)?
[10:40] <Seveas> konki, dpkg -i file.deb
[10:40] <overture> dpkg -i somepackage.deb
[10:40] <guerrero> Elviz: cual es su problema?
[10:40] <anacron> othernoob: it's not just about router, i'd like to use other linux stuff as well, if you don't need those i suggest smoothwall
[10:40] <Elviz> Seveas en Ubuntu - es no saben na digo talvez no me kieren ayudar
[10:40] <Elviz> aki va mi problema
[10:40] <othernoob> anacron: i'd use freesco instead ;)
[10:40] <Seveas> guerrero, please stick to english in here and go to #ubuntu-es for spanish
[10:40] <overture> for packages from other distros (like rpms) you can use alien
[10:40] <Elviz> Mira Acabo de Instalar Ubuntu pero tengo problemas para iniciar el X Por la Tarjeta De Video Tengo Una S3 Grapichs UniCrhome
[10:40] <charles> is there a way to turn off the emblems on a root or a symbolic folder?
[10:40] <Seveas> Elviz, yo no hablo espaol
[10:40] <visor> great, now totem-xine wont show the video as it is, it looks in black and white :S
[10:40] <Jowi> guerrero, yeah. know the problem. let her try a ubuntu-live cd maybe?
[10:40] <guerrero> Seveas: Elviz said no one will help him there
[10:40] <charles> like the locks and the shortcut thingiezz
[10:40] <anacron> othernoob: i'll have to check out that :)
[10:41] <Seveas> guerby, ah
[10:41] <visor> ive heard it was an issue with nvidia drivers
[10:41] <Seveas> guerrero*
[10:41] <Seveas> (stupid tab completion :))
[10:41] <Elviz> No Y K Me Respondiste en ingles?
[10:41] <Seveas> guerrero, then please help him or translate it for the rest :)
[10:41] <guerrero> hehe
[10:41] <guerrero> fine
[10:41] <guerrero> ok.
[10:41] <kush> anyone knows something about the seg fault of all mono apps after installing mono 1.1.7 and allrelated packages?
[10:42] <guerrero> Elviz has a problem...he can't get X to work in Ubuntu with his S3 Unichrome graphics card
[10:42] <guerrero> Elviz: que es lo que pasa cuando tratas de iniciar X?  What happens when you try to startx?
[10:43] <Elviz> Lo K Pasa Es K Me Da Un Error..!!
[10:43] <charles> if i change the ownership of a symbolic link with it affect the actualy link?
[10:43] <guerrero> Elviz gets an error
[10:43] <guerrero> Elviz...que error te da? Can you be more vague please?
[10:43] <Jowi> guerrero, is it the CL266 chipset?
[10:43] <visor> Elviz: the van a sacar si sigues escribiendo en espaol creo... jeje
[10:43] <konki> well, the .tar.gz always show up like i unzipped something...
[10:43] <Elviz> Me Dise Que La Tarjeta de Video Esta Mal Configurada..
[10:44] <visor> Elviz: cambia la seccion de Driver en xorg.conf que diga "s3" por "vesa"
[10:44] <guerrero> any body have an xorg.conf for a S3 unichrome graphics card?
[10:44] <guerrero> just the driver section
[10:44] <bob2> Elviz:  Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[10:44] <visor> guerrero: i told him already
[10:45] <visor> guerrero: the guy needs to change the s3 driver to vesa, that should work
[10:45] <Elviz> Since I change it?
[10:45] <gijosh> Installing vsftpd won't make it automatically start or anything will it?
[10:45] <bob2> gijosh: sure, all daemons start once installed
[10:45] <guerrero> Evliz you changed it?
[10:45] <guerrero> lo cambiaste?
[10:45] <action09> Ubuntu is instable for me if i had multiverse, backports or 'non-supported' marillat, so i decided to put only universe and official Hoary in sources.list , but if i remove mplayer,vlc-gtk, audio plug-ins and all.. and do an update and upgrade with 'clean sources' will my system librairies be replaced with more 'stable' binaries/lib ? please
[10:45] <Elviz> como cambio la configuracion??
[10:45] <Jowi> gijosh, ps -A | grep ftp , to find out :-)
[10:45] <bob2> action09: "instable"?
[10:45] <gijosh> bob2: How do you stop it then?  Without uninstalling.
[10:46] <bob2> action09: packages from marillat and multiverse don't generally replace ubuntu packages
[10:46] <konki> Seveas, well a screen popped up with extracted files .tar.gz
[10:46] <gijosh> Jowi: Thanks for the command. :)
[10:46] <bob2> gijosh: sudo invoke-rc.d vsftpd stop
[10:46] <bob2> gijosh: or maybe it starts from inetd, I dunno
[10:46] <guerrero> visor: do you have an example vesa entry for xorg.conf that elviz can copy?
[10:46] <guerrero> or is it commented out in xorg.conf
[10:46] <charles> anyone in here using prelink??? if so when i install new apps is there a way to prelink them without prelinking everything?
[10:46] <Boomba> hey guys. back again. I got liveCD to work, but I am only on dialup. how do I connect? i looked everywhere
[10:46] <gijosh> bob2:  Ah okay.  I want to use it, but I don't particularly want it running before I have it all figured out.  heheh
[10:47] <bob2> charles: I'm pretty sure you need to reprelink everything, in general
[10:47] <visor> guerrero: im already helping him, in a private conversation
[10:47] <guerrero> visor: cool
[10:47] <bob2> but prelink is not really something you should be playing with
[10:47] <charles> bob2, booo that sux
[10:47] <charles> bob2, i guess its good to just do it every once and a while, it takes foreeeever to prelink everything
[10:48] <bob2> charles: how much of a gain have you timed?
[10:48] <gijosh> In general, where do find out how ubuntu will install various applications?
[10:48] <charles> bob2, i dunno i just installed it last night, but its def noticable
[10:48] <kush> anyone knows something about the seg fault of all mono apps after installing mono 1.1.7 and all related packages?
[10:48] <guerrero> gijosh just search in the synaptix package manager
[10:49] <Boomba> it's possible to install ubuntu so i can switch between XP and ubuntu easily, right?
[10:49] <gijosh> guerrere:  Is there no way to do it with apt-get.  I tend to prefer it over synaptic
[10:49] <Poromies> Boomba: yes
[10:49] <guerrero> boomba..yes..grub will dual boot
[10:49] <Jowi> Boomba, yes
[10:49] <Boomba> how do i do that, guys
[10:49] <guerrero> it will detect windows and put the appropriate entry in the boot menu
[10:50] <Boomba> ah, ok
[10:50] <guerrero> the installer will auto
[10:50] <Boomba> and if i just do a system restore, i could remove ubuntu easily without having any changes to the system... right?
[10:50] <guerrero> actually, it will detect the windows boot loader and usurp it
[10:50] <Jowi> gijosh,, apt-get -s will simulate an install without installing it
[10:50] <guerrero> that's a little tricky
[10:51] <guerrero> if you remove ubuntu ...grub will still be installed
[10:51] <sam_> doesnt that depend a bit on how your hds are partitioned?
[10:52] <guerrero> assuming you have an xp install..and you install ubuntu to a separate partition or disk...grub will clobber the windows boot loader but put options to boot either windows or ubuntu
[10:52] <guerrero> if you decide to nuke ubuntu...you would still have the grub boot loader and the xp entry.
[10:52] <guerrero> not a big deal
[10:52] <guerrero> unless you want to remove the grub boot loader too
[10:52] <gijosh> Jowi: That's very useful.  Thanks
[10:53] <Boomba> how would i remove it if i wanted to get rid of it? (i dont think i will want to)
[10:53] <Boomba> (driected to guerror)
[10:53] <guerrero> one thing you can do to fix it is to install xp over the same partition you put ubuntu
[10:53] <guerrero> then modify your boot.ini file
[10:53] <guerrero> then you are back to square 1
[10:53] <guerrero> no ubuntu ...no grub
[10:53] <Boomba> ah... thanks :)
[10:53] <guerrero> boomba do you have xp installcd?
[10:53] <Boomba> yeah
[10:53] <guerrero> yer cool
[10:53] <Boomba> XP home SP1
[10:54] <guerrero> no problem
[10:54] <Jowi> gijosh, you can also check already installed packages with : dpkg-query -L totem-xine
[10:54] <guerrero> if you just want to test drive...there is a live cd
[10:54] <charles> would it help to use loki to install and cedega to run
[10:54] <Boomba> yeah, thats what i did before :)
[10:54] <gijosh> Jowi:  Thanks again.
[10:54] <Boomba> do you happen to know how to connect to the net when ur on dialup? i looked around and couldnt find it
[10:54] <IceDC571> blah.. apt wants me to remove gnome in order to install gaim
[10:54] <IceDC571> wonderful
[10:54] <trog_> you can put the windows bootloader back on the mbr with a rescue disk and the command fdisk /mbr
[10:55] <guerrero> boomba: in ubuntu?.. there is a dialup networking menu under system->administration->networking
[10:56] <Boomba> thanks, guerrero. greatly appreciated. and to move my files and stuff over to ubuntu, i could just burn them onto CD and put them into my files in ubuntu? or is it more complicated than i think
[10:56] <guerrero> boomba..not necessary
[10:56] <Boomba> oh
[10:56] <guerrero> you can see your ntfs file partitions from ubuntu
[10:57] <Boomba> ntsf = ?
[10:57] <guerrero> your windows parititions
[10:57] <guerrero> I am running ubuntu right now...and I have my windows drives mounted
[10:57] <Boomba> sorry, im not too good with the hardware section of my PC ;)
[10:58] <Elviz> Vuelvo orita
[10:58] <guerrero> buena suerte elviz
[10:58] <Boomba> is there something i have to do to mount my windows drives, guerrero?
[10:58] <guerrero> yes
[10:58] <Seveas> Boomba: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[10:58] <Boomba> thanks, Seveas :D
[10:58] <blrich> can someone help? I want a custom profile/bashrc file that all users access. should i change /etc/profile and then symlink everyone's bashrc to it? Or should I put changes in /etc/bash.bachrc? or what?
[10:58] <Elviz> Guerrero Me DIjieron K Hiziera esto sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf k editara eso y k donde dise S3 pusiera vesa
[10:59] <Seveas> blrich, the second option
[10:59] <blrich> Seveas, so /etc/bash.bachrc is always checked by profile anyway?
[10:59] <rainingzigzags> can someone tell me how to install xmms? i am new to linux
[10:59] <guerrero> elviz..vesa es un driver estandard....probablemente funciona...casi todas las tarjeta funcionan a ese nivel
[10:59] <blrich> Seveas, does it overrride personal bashrc's?
[10:59] <Elviz> ok
[10:59] <Seveas> blrich, no the other way arounf
[10:59] <Elviz> brb
[10:59] <Seveas> personal bashrc will be run after system wide bashrc
[10:59] <bob2> blrich: no, you cannot override the user's preferences
[11:00] <Sonderblade> is there a way to have ubuntu's human theme but with other colors than red brown?
[11:00] <blrich> Seveas, cool
[11:00] <blrich> Seveas, by the way, can you tell me what an interactive login is? is that at a terminal or through ssh?
[11:00] <Seveas> both
[11:00] <bob2> blrich: man bash, the INVOCATION section explains it
[11:00] <Jowi> blrich, (....although you could make users bashrc readonly....)
[11:00] <Boomba> Seveas, im talking to you in a PM. please resond
[11:01] <blrich> bob2, oh, okay
[11:01] <bob2> Jowi: then they can delete it
[11:01] <Boomba> respond*
[11:01] <Seveas> Boomba, it's polite to ask first before PM'ing....
[11:01] <Jowi> bob2, not with root as owner and readonly. no.
[11:01] <Boomba> oh, im sorry Seveas. This is my first day in here :(
[11:01] <bob2> Jowi: I'm pretty sure they can still delete it, since they weill own ~/ and have +w on it
[11:01] <rainingzigzags> can someone explain to me in detail how to install xmms... i tryed it before and screwed something up
[11:02] <Seveas> rainingzigzags, sudo aptitude install xmms
[11:02] <deFrysk> rainingzigzags, sudo apt-get install xmms
[11:02] <Seveas> rainingzigzags: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[11:02] <bob2> which is in fact the case
[11:02] <rainingzigzags> so i type that in the console?
[11:02] <Seveas> bob2, unless you make the homedirs sticky :)
[11:02] <Jowi> bob2, nope. not if you change the owner to root (chown root:root bashrc) + (chmod a-w bashrc)
[11:03] <bob2> Jowi: please test that, I just did exactly that
[11:03] <Seveas> Jowi, then a user can still delete it from a folder he owns...
[11:03] <Jowi> bob2, i sure will test it. brb :-)
[11:04] <rainingzigzags> wow that install was so much better then what i did before  lol  ty
[11:05] <Jowi> bob2, erhm... that's crap :-/
[11:05] <bob2> that's how unix works
[11:05] <Seveas> Jowi, if you make the homedir sticky it works :)
[11:05] <bob2> Seveas explained how to get around it
[11:05] <bob2> but that's equally terrible
[11:05] <Jowi> bob2, Seveas, yeah... ouch
[11:05] <Seveas> :)
[11:06] <Upayavira> The Gnome panel is for some reason showing time as GMT, even though date cmd shows it with correct time zone. Any ideas how to fix this?
[11:06] <bob2> the solution is "don't be a fascist to your users"
[11:06] <Amaranth> hondje: so much shit refuses to run like that...
[11:06] <cyhe> hello
[11:06] <Amaranth> err, language
[11:06] <hondje> Amaranth: yeah, that's why he was here
[11:06] <bob2> I'm pretty sure that won't boot
[11:07] <cyhe> help me plz
[11:07] <Jowi> bob2, but where's the fun!? haha
[11:07] <hondje> He was 'tired of sudo'
[11:07] <hondje> :)
[11:07] <bob2> cyhe: you need to ask a question first
[11:07] <Upayavira> jowi, don't know what you're talking about, but you can mount ext2/ext3 BSD style, in which case add directories retain group ownership.
[11:07] <cyhe> i want to install xine..
[11:07] <cyhe> can i just copy file ?
[11:07] <cyhe> can i just copy xine file from other pc ?
[11:08] <Seveas> Upayavira, that is not a mount option, but simply a chmod g+s foldername
[11:08] <deFrysk> cybersystem, sudo apt-get install xine
[11:08] <calamari> hi
[11:08] <deFrysk> cyhe, taht is
[11:08] <Seveas> Upayavira, and that will not help him in this case :)
[11:08] <Jowi> Upayavira, we were talking about users having absolute power over their own directory and not accepting the world-ruler root as their master (the bastards)
[11:08] <deFrysk> cyhe,  sudo apt-get install xine
[11:08] <cyhe> deFrysk?
[11:08] <Jowi> Upayavira, unfortunatley for them, Seveas had a cure
[11:08] <Upayavira> seaveas, no probs. But there is _also_ a mount option.
[11:09] <cyhe> i dont have permission for sudo
[11:09] <deFrysk> cyhe, autocomplete is a pain with 378 people on one room
[11:09] <rainingzigzags> ok i have another question  i got xmms install and i am playin a file right now and the volume is really low.. its turned all the way up in xmms and the system volume is turned up all the way and it is still low.. am i missing something?
[11:09] <cyhe> its only administrator can do sudo
[11:09] <sektor> rainingzigzags, might wanna turn up your speakers :p
[11:09] <Seveas> rainingzigzags, try alsamixer (in a terminal)
[11:09] <rainingzigzags> lol they are turned up
[11:09] <deFrysk> cyhe, then it might be wise to ask your admin
[11:10] <sektor> rainingzigzags, than i don't know :p
[11:10] <visor> well then again i found that using the nvidia drivers will led to have messy video in xine/mplayer
[11:10] <visor> :S
[11:10] <cyhe> can i just copy paste file xine from other pc?
[11:10] <Seveas> btw: you might need to pump op the volume for PCM
[11:10] <deFrysk> cyhe, unlikely
[11:10] <rainingzigzags> pcm did the trick
[11:10] <rainingzigzags> ty
[11:10] <sektor> DeFrysk, can't he look for a .tar.gz
[11:11] <sektor> deFrysk they don't need installation, right?
[11:11] <rainingzigzags> how long have u all been using linux? u seem to know everything
[11:11] <evilgod69linux> libGL.so , what package do i need? i've got the nvidia graphics drivers installed
[11:11] <cyhe> like windows can copy program directory... and paste on other pc and work..
[11:11] <cyhe> can ubuntu do the same?
[11:11] <deFrysk> sektor, dunno
[11:12] <Seveas> cyhe, linux works different. Programs don't get their own directory
[11:12] <deFrysk> cyhe, ask sektor he seems to know howto
[11:12] <sektor> deFrysk no i don't :D
[11:12] <deFrysk> sektor, ;p ;p ;p
[11:12] <deFrysk> :D
[11:12] <sektor> deFrysk, i recall using a program from the .tar.gz without having to install anything, just extract
[11:13] <Seveas> sektor, it's possible
[11:13] <visor> any of you have had any problems playing videos with the nvidia drivers?
[11:13] <Seveas> you then just use ./configure && make
[11:13] <Seveas> and not make install
[11:13] <sektor> see *does a victory dance*
[11:13] <cyhe> ;(
[11:13] <sektor> :p
[11:13] <Seveas> or ./configure --prefix=~/somewhere/
[11:13] <cyhe> i can see porn movies
[11:13] <Seveas> and then you can do make install
[11:13] <rainingzigzags> ok last question then i will leave u all alone... how do i install adobe photoshop in linux.. i heard of something called wine but i have no clue how to use it or install it for that matter
[11:13] <cyhe> in windows
[11:13] <cyhe> but not in ubuntu
[11:13] <cyhe> ;(
[11:13] <cyhe> :p
[11:13] <cyhe> thx anyway
[11:13] <cyhe> cya
[11:14] <sektor> rainingzigzags, you know synaptic?
[11:14] <rainingzigzags> i am new to linux
[11:14] <Seveas> rainingzigzags, you will need to google for that, i recall having seen wine+ps instructions somewhere
[11:14] <rainingzigzags> everything i find for wine is a tar.gz file
[11:14] <blrich> could someone tell me the commands used to start/restart/remove/add startup scripts in ubuntu?
[11:14] <rainingzigzags> and i dunno what i am doin with those files
[11:14] <sektor> rainingzigzags, i'm pretty new to linux as well, but synaptic can help u getting started
[11:14] <Jowi> blrich, you would like to install bum
[11:15] <Sonderblade> if i want to edit xorg.conf can i do it by point and clicking instead of writing sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[11:15] <blrich> in gentoo it's rc-update and so on
[11:15] <Seveas> rainingzigzags, you can install wine with synaptic after you enabled universe (and possibly multiverse)
[11:15] <rainingzigzags> whats synaptic?
[11:15] <sektor> rainingzigzags, a tar.gz file is an archive, so first of all you want to extract it
[11:15] <blrich> Jowi, ?
[11:15] <Seveas> blrich, update-rc.d
[11:15] <sektor> rainingzigzags, it's a packet manager (with a graphical user interface)
[11:15] <Seveas> Sonderblade, no
[11:16] <sektor> rainingzigzags, you can just select a package you want to install, and it installs all dependencies for you
[11:16] <Jowi> blrich, "bum" boot-up-manager. i prefer it.
[11:16] <Seveas> rainingzigzags, system -> administration -> synaptic package manager
[11:16] <blrich> Seveas, i'm having trouble with ntp, could you help?
[11:16] <rainingzigzags> so i download the wine tar.gz file and extract it to a folder then go in synaptic and find it there?
[11:17] <blrich> Seveas, it runs at startup after network is supposedly up, but always fails. i think it's because i'm using wireless, which seems to start up after everything else
[11:17] <sektor> rainingzigzags, nah
[11:17] <blrich> Seveas, but i don't know how to fix it, change script exec order, etc
[11:17] <Seveas> blrich, so you want to disable it?
[11:17] <sektor> rainingzigzags, you can either download the tar.gz and install it that way, or you can find it in synaptic and install it that way
[11:17] <rainingzigzags> sry for bein a noob... i have beena windows user ever since i started with computers
[11:17] <Seveas> blrich, quick hack: sudo update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove
[11:17] <sektor> rainingzigzags, being a linux noob, i recommend synaptic
[11:18] <blrich> Seveas, what are -f and -n btw?
[11:18] <sektor> rainingzigzags, less chance you'll mess it up ;-)
[11:18] <blrich> Seveas, well yeah i could do that but i want it to work
[11:18] <Seveas> blrich, and add this line to /etc/network.interfaces under your wifi interface: post-up invoke-rc.d ntpdate start
[11:18] <sektor> anyone installed acroread?
[11:18] <bryan> yeah
[11:18] <Seveas> blrich, otherwise read the manpage for update-rc.d to change the order :)
[11:18] <sektor> it doesn't seem to work for me
[11:18] <rainingzigzags> is there any other way to install photoshop without using wine?
[11:19] <sektor> I installed it with synaptic
[11:19] <Seveas> rainingzigzags, no
[11:19] <sektor> and the icon is under applications -> graphics
[11:19] <rainingzigzags> cause i cant find wine in the list of packets
[11:19] <sektor> but when i click, it doesn't start
[11:19] <Seveas> (well, you could use cedega or crossover office, but these are just forks of wine)
[11:19] <deFrysk> rainingzigzags, actually there is a way but......
[11:19] <Seveas> rainingzigzags, enable universe then
[11:19] <deFrysk> rainingzigzags, u need to run windows then
[11:19] <Seveas> rainingzigzags: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:19] <Seveas> rainingzigzags: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:19] <rainingzigzags> my system is dual bootsing xp and ubuntu
[11:20] <trog_> rainingzigzags, do you absolutely need photoshop?? cause the GIMP will do almost everything ps does
[11:20] <sektor> so, anyone got acroread working? :)
[11:20] <Seveas> sektor, I have
[11:20] <rainingzigzags> i heard that gimp wasnt as god as ps
[11:20] <Seveas> (5 and 7)
[11:20] <rainingzigzags> good*
[11:20] <sektor> Seveas, how did u install?
[11:20] <Seveas> rainingzigzags, indeed it wasn't, it still isn't but comes quite close
[11:21] <Seveas> sektor, from the lousy installer provided by adobe :)
[11:21] <sektor> Seveas, i installed with synaptic but it doesn't start
[11:21] <sektor> Seveas, i couldn't download the installer
[11:21] <Seveas> sektor, probably a bug in one of the scripts
[11:21] <Seveas> sektor, what's the error you get when you run 'acroread' in a terminal
[11:21] <Sonderblade> is there no way to like open a file with root access from nautilius?
[11:21] <rainingzigzags> i see i might need to buy me a book lol and take a crash coarse in linux  lol
[11:21] <Seveas> Sonderblade, there is, but you shouldn't...
[11:21] <Computer__Guru> okay
[11:22] <Jowi> Sonderblade, yes: sudo nautilus
[11:22] <Sonderblade> Seveas, why not?
[11:22] <blrich> Seveas, oh well, removed it, at least the computer will load faster now
[11:22] <blrich> Seveas, also, could you help me with one other thing? i have a ps/2 mouse that won't work on startup - but when i unload the 'psmouse' module, then reload it, the mouse works again.
[11:22] <Seveas> Jowi, please do NOT advise that
[11:22] <Seveas> that might fubar your .Xauthoritu
[11:22] <blrich> Seveas, so everytime i startup i have to go into a console, login, sudo rmmod psmouse, enter password, sudo modprobe psmouse just to get the mouse working
[11:22] <sektor_> stupid wireless disconnected me again
[11:22] <Jowi> Seveas, really? first time i heard that it could screw up .Xauthority
[11:22] <Seveas> blrich, that is odd at least, please file a bug about it with as much info as you can give
[11:23] <Computer__Guru> i installed a theme for gnome that has me hit 'theme details' and select it in the controls tab.. i did this in my gnome session, and told gtk-engine-qt to use the theme that was selected (in this case, glider), but my gtk apps in kde still do not draw the style
[11:23] <Seveas> Jowi, happened to a few people in here
[11:23] <Computer__Guru> how do i fix this?
[11:23] <Seveas> sektor, probably a bug in one of the scripts
[11:23] <Seveas> sektor, what's the error you get when you run 'acroread' in a terminal
[11:23] <Seveas> (maybe you didn't get these)
[11:23] <Jowi> Seveas, how does the symptoms look if it is garbled?
[11:23] <Seveas> Jowi, login hangs
[11:23] <Jowi> Seveas, ouch
[11:23] <Seveas> yeah
[11:24] <Computer__Guru> anyone?
[11:24] <Computer__Guru> better yet
[11:24] <Computer__Guru> what's the name of the app that sets themes in gnome? ill just run it
[11:24] <sektor_> Seveas, when i run in terminal it sais "no such file or directory"
[11:24] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, gnome-theme-manager
[11:25] <Computer__Guru> tyvm
[11:25] <Seveas> sektor, hmm, somehow it didn't install correct links oslt
[11:25] <Seveas> sektor_, run sudo updatedb (takes a while) and then slocate acroread
[11:25] <Computer__Guru> yay it worked
[11:25] <Seveas> and paste the output (if any ) on a pastebin
[11:25] <Computer__Guru> now lets see if it sticks
[11:25] <Computer__Guru> bbiaf
[11:26] <Jowi> btw, anyone know if rox-filer can browse smb networks like nautilus?
[11:27] <sektor_> Seveas, should updatedb give any output?
[11:27] <Seveas> sektor_, no
[11:27] <Seveas> it should just run quite some time
[11:27] <sektor_> k
[11:27] <alpha> man the stock kernel has support for such stupid things
[11:28] <alpha> why in earth would you want support for a intel bx mobo on a k7
[11:28] <sektor_> Seveas, i did both of them
[11:28] <HrdwrBoB> alpha: and having that option takes nothing away from other function
[11:28] <gals> hey..
[11:28] <gals> hey evry1..
[11:29] <alpha> HrdwrBoB: but it makes boot slower and a bigger kernel
[11:29] <Seveas> sektor_, did the second give output?
[11:29] <Jowi> hi gals
[11:29] <gals> hi jowi
[11:29] <sektor_> Seveas, yes, a shitload of files
[11:29] <Seveas> sektor, good :)
[11:29] <sektor_> :)
[11:29] <Seveas> can you paste that on the pastebin please
[11:29] <sektor_> k
[11:29] <rainingzigzags> Seveas, ty for that site about synaptic that was very helpfull.. now i somewhat understand what i am doin
[11:29] <sektor_> btw, what does .sh stand for?
[11:29] <Seveas> shell script
[11:30] <Nermal> sh is a shell command interpreter
[11:30] <Nermal> then there is bash which is bourne again "sh"
[11:30] <Seveas> the original sh is the Bourne shell
[11:30] <Seveas> hence bourne again :)
[11:30] <Nermal> sh is usually what interprets all the instructions within the .sh file
[11:31] <Nermal> if it has #!/bin/sh as the first line :P
[11:31] <Seveas> Nermal, ls -al /bin/sh
[11:31] <Seveas> symlinked to bash on Ubuntu ;)
[11:31] <Nermal> symlinked to bash ?
[11:31] <Nermal> not surprising
[11:31] <Nermal> debian zealots would be climbing the walls
[11:31] <bob2> wtf
[11:31] <albacker> guys how do i know the 'kernel module for my sound card' ???
[11:31] <Seveas> if bash is invoked as /bin/sh it will use a sh-compatibility mode
[11:31] <sektor_> Seveas, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/514
[11:31] <bob2> it's identical on Debian
[11:32] <Nermal> vi symlinked to vim?! but I want this hard to use non intuative one!
[11:33] <Seveas> Nermal, vim uses a vi-compatibility mode if called as vi
[11:33] <Nermal> so it is
[11:33] <Seveas> sektor_, and typing acroread in a shell gave command not found ?
[11:33] <bob2> and nvi nor vim are installed by default on Debian
[11:33] <Nermal> learn something new every day eh
[11:33] <albacker> can someone help me ? how do i find the 'kernel module for my sound card' so i can put it in /etc/modules .
[11:33] <sektor_> Seveas, /usr/bin/acroread: line 12: /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread: No such file or directory
[11:33] <Nermal> albacker, should already be there
[11:33] <Seveas> ahhh :)
[11:33] <albacker> Nermal: no
[11:33] <bob2> albacker: you don't need to, unless it's an ISA card
[11:34] <Seveas> sektor_, that actually was the error I expected
[11:34] <Nermal> albacker, what soundcard
[11:34] <bob2> albacker: if it's a pci one, hotplug will load the module automatically at boot
[11:34] <Nermal> here we go
[11:34] <sektor_> Seveas, haha, now if you would also know how to fix it, that would be awesome ;)
[11:34] <rainingzigzags> ok quick question about burning cd's.. i tryed the program that came with ubuntu but it freezes at 2%.. is there other programs to burn with that have a graphic interface?
[11:34] <Nermal> people who have a shite bios thinking there soundcard isn't supported when it's just ACPI sodding up the IRQ routing and making it not work
[11:34] <sektor_> is there a way to reply to the person that last adressed you, cuz typing the name is really annoying
[11:34] <albacker> dont know what sound card i have
[11:34] <Nermal> albacker, lspci
[11:35] <Jowi> albacker, "cat /proc/modules | grep snd" will give you what sound modules your system is using now. maybe it is detected already.
[11:35] <albacker> sektor_ just do  find / | grep acroread and than ... you have to edit /usr/bin/acroread
[11:35] <Nermal> rainingzigzags, many apps come with ubuntu.. which are you using ?
[11:35] <Seveas> sektor, change /usr/bin/acroread (sudo gedit /usr/bin/acroread)
[11:35] <bob2> sektor_: use a decent irc client, and it will tab-complete the name after the first letter
[11:35] <Seveas> add .sh to line 12
[11:35] <sektor_> using X-chat...
[11:35] <bob2> sektor_: then that will work
[11:36] <albacker> sektor : ive ahd the same problem :)
[11:36] <sektor_> ah :)
[11:36] <albacker> sektor_ you have to edit the /usr/bin/acroread
[11:36] <sektor_> albacker, and add .sh to line 12 like Seveas said?
[11:36] <albacker> gedit /usr/bin/acroread... << before doing this try doing find / | grep acroread . you have to find a .sh
[11:36] <Jowi> wb Boomba
[11:37] <sektor_> albacker, i've found the .sh
[11:37] <Boomba> thanks Jowi
[11:37] <albacker> ah ok :)
[11:37] <rainingzigzags> the thing i was using to burn a cd was i right clicked on the file i wanted to burn and clicked burn to cd
[11:37] <albacker> Jowi:  : http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/K4Se2K85.html
[11:37] <rainingzigzags> i forget what its called now
[11:37] <albacker> theres what the cat /proc/modules | grep snd gives
[11:37] <sektor> albacker,  what do i do now?
[11:37] <bob2> that won't show anything
[11:37] <rainingzigzags> is there anything in the linux work like nero?
[11:37] <sektor> albacker, just add acroread.sh to the file?
[11:38] <Seveas> sektor, no
[11:38] <albacker> did you find the .sh ?
[11:38] <alisher> nerolinux
[11:38] <sektor> Seveas, now i'm confused :p
[11:38] <Seveas> line 12 calls /usr/something/acroread
[11:38] <coobra> where is the loog of X
[11:38] <sektor> Seveas, yeah
[11:38] <Seveas> it should be /usr/something/acroread.sh
[11:38] <sektor> /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread "$@"
[11:38] <albacker> change the 12 with the .sh file :)
[11:38] <Boomba> Seveas, im back again now. is it ok for me to PM you?
[11:38] <rainingzigzags> alisher, where would i find that at?
[11:38] <ateves> hi, my ubuntu always boots with a textmode. is there a way too boot with some kind of splashscreen?
[11:38] <Seveas> Boomba, sure
[11:38] <Jowi> albacker, i810 is the module you are after
[11:38] <albacker> ateves: /etc/inittab
[11:38] <Jowi> albacker, i810 is your soundcard
[11:38] <Seveas> ateves, yes but not easy
[11:38] <Boomba> thanks
[11:39] <albacker> ateves: change the default runlevel in /etc/inittab to 5. you probably have to install gdm if you dont have it.. :)
[11:39] <albacker> Jowi: thanks
[11:39] <Jowi> np
[11:39] <Seveas> albacker, I don't think that's what he meant...
[11:39] <Seveas> albacker, btw: runlevel 2 is the default GUI level on debian systems
[11:40] <thomasvs> anyone here have an idea why current hoary gtk-doc is back to accessing the network when building docs ?
[11:40] <gromf> hello everybody !
[11:40] <sektor> k, new error, when i type 'acroread' it sais: 'ERROR: cannot find installation directory'
[11:40] <Jowi> hi gromf
[11:40] <albacker> sektor : you have to edit the .sh file too.
[11:40] <gromf> I have a problem when booting ubuntu 5
[11:40] <albacker> try opening the .sh file and youll see install_dir="edit me" << something liekt his
[11:40] <gromf> .04 on my laptop...
[11:40] <sektor> albacker, aha :)
[11:40] <Computer__Guru> that was a pretty simple problem to resolve once i looked at it. The GTK theme I had installed was not installed system-wide, therefore GTK Styles & Fonts did not see it. I copied the theme and metatheme to /usr/share/themes, and now all my gtk apps are using the right theme under kde :)
[11:40] <Computer__Guru> I'm a pimp
[11:41] <bob2> Seveas: er?
[11:41] <bob2> oh
[11:41] <Seveas> bob2, old IP address
[11:41] <gromf> It doesn't see my cdrom drive...
[11:41] <bob2> thomasvs: try #ubuntu-devel
[11:41] <sektor> albacker, k found it, where would synaptic install it to?
[11:41] <sektor> albacker, don't know the installation directory :)
[11:41] <albacker> sektor you have only to edit the .sh file... nothing else
[11:42] <albacker> sektor in the find / | grep acroread youll have and idea of what the install dir is.
[11:42] <albacker> :)
[11:42] <sektor> albacker, ah k :), what does the grep do again?
[11:43] <albacker> grep ... it finds the files directories [in this case]  that contain acroread
[11:43] <gromf> can someone help me ?
[11:43] <thomasvs> bob2: thanks
[11:43] <bryan> has anyone tried msn msger on wine?
[11:43] <bob2> gromf: you need to ask your question...
[11:43] <Jowi> gromf, what do you mean it does not see your cdrom?
[11:43] <sektor> that's like slocate than?
[11:43] <Jowi> gromf, can you boot the installation cd?
[11:43] <bob2> bryan: why not use gaim or another native msn client?
[11:43] <albacker> sektor : yeah :)
[11:44] <sektor> hehe
[11:44] <sektor> k
[11:44] <gromf> Jowi: when detecting cdrom drive, it asks me to give a floppy or a module...
[11:44] <bryan> bob2: yeah... using gaim now but there are some functions not available in gaim
[11:44] <albacker> sektor di you find the isntall_dir=' ' line in the .sh file ?
[11:44] <gromf> Jowi: no... Not live, nor install.
[11:44] <albacker> did *
[11:44] <sektor> albacker, yeah, just looking for the installation dir
[11:45] <Jowi> gromf, that is the first time i have heard of it. sorry i can not help you with that. Someone else?
[11:45] <bryan> bob2: and i believe amsn has stopped development for quite some time
[11:45] <albacker> sektor ok ;) .. youll find it with the slocate command. if not paste the output in rafb.net/paste and well give a help :)
[11:45] <ateves> albacker: the change in /etc/inittab hasn't changed the boot process
[11:45] <Seveas> ateves, albacker didn't understand what you want
[11:45] <ateves> oh :D
[11:45] <Seveas> a boot splash on ubuntu is not easy to install
[11:45] <albacker> ateves ..  . i have mistaken your question. Sorry.
[11:45] <ateves> Seveas: but you did?
[11:45] <ateves> np
[11:46] <ateves> is there some info about on the web?
[11:46] <Seveas> ateves, yes, but my advise is to wait for Breezy
[11:46] <ateves> Seveas: well, ok
[11:46] <Seveas> because installing a bootsplash is not a trivial task
[11:46] <sektor> albacker, would the installation dir contain the bin?
[11:47] <albacker> sektor : no
[11:47] <sektor> albacker, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/514
[11:47] <bryan> does anyone know whether the keep aligned problem in gnome will be resolved anytime soon?
[11:47] <gromf> Jowi: thanks anyway...
[11:48] <Seveas> Jowi, grub bootsplashes DO work on hoary :)
[11:48] <albacker> sektor : try this once :  /usr/lib/Acrobat5/
[11:48] <sektor_> mkay :)
[11:48] <Jowi> Seveas, hooray! i got errors that no splashes was found all the time even when typing in the exact path+filename in grub
[11:48] <albacker> sektor : or this  /usr/lib/Acrobat5/Reader/   TRY BOTH..
[11:49] <Seveas> Jowi, partition correct?
[11:49] <Seveas> as in (hd0,7)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
[11:49] <Jowi> Seveas, yes. even tried to put them directly in /boot/ (grub installed on MBR though, maybe that will be a problem)
[11:49] <albacker> so sektor did you find that ?
[11:49] <sektor_> that didn't seem to do it
[11:49] <albacker> none of them ??
[11:49] <Jowi> /boot/rub/_ even :-)
[11:50] <albacker>  /usr/lib/Acrobat5/Reader/ << tried this /
[11:50] <Jowi> rub=grub. damn
[11:50] <Jowi> haha
[11:50] <sektor_> lol
[11:50] <sektor_> i'll try some :)
[11:50] <sektor_> albacker, yeah that was it, thanks m8
[11:50] <Seveas> Jowi, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/515
[11:51] <albacker> sektor_ no problem :)
[11:51] <Seveas> that one works for me (/boot on separate partition)
[11:51] <albacker> im happy that i helped you.
[11:51] <Jowi> Seveas, cheers. will give it a go later on :-)
[11:51] <albacker> sektor_ you must be using acroread5 right? because ive encountered this problem only in 5. you probalby have to get acroread7 :)
[11:52] <sektor_> albacker, haha, now you tell me :P
[11:52] <albacker> but i cant find the repo for it :(
[11:52] <sektor_> albacker, synaptic only knows 5
[11:52] <sektor_> yeah
[11:52] <sektor_> me too
[11:52] <albacker> sektor_: yes..
[11:52] <sektor_> and the adobe site doesn't provide the installer for linux (yet?)
[11:52] <Seveas> sektor, they hid it :)
[11:53] <sektor_> lol
[11:53] <albacker> sektor_ so we probablly have to use 5 til 7 is in the repo.. you can use xpdf too :P
[11:53] <Seveas> isn't acroread 7 in backports?
[11:53] <sektor_> albacker, yeah, but the pdf's look crappy in xpdf
[11:53] <albacker> Seveas: dont know..
[11:53] <sektor_> Seveas, i tried to add the repository, but didn't work
[11:53] <albacker> sektor_ thats what i mean with :P. they suck..
[11:53] <sektor_> i followed the instructions on the backports website
[11:54] <Seveas> ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/7x/7.0/ <-- acroread 7 installer
[11:54] <sektor_> but got all sorts of errors i didn't get
[11:54] <sektor_> albacker, indeed :p
[11:54] <sektor_> lol
[11:54] <albacker> is the installer there really ?
[11:55] <sektor_> so you're saying i just spent the last half hour getting acroread 5 to work, and i should probably just install 7 now :p
[11:55] <albacker> cos firefox isnt opening that.. [maybe because of dialup] 
[11:55] <Seveas> it's really there :)
[11:55] <albacker> ohh, youll save the 5 minutes of configuring the .sh file :)
[11:55] <sektor_> :D
[11:55] <sektor_> same here albacker
[11:55] <sektor_> can't open
[11:55] <sektor_> "document contains no data"
[11:55] <sektor_> Seveas is just messing with us :P
[11:55] <Jowi> Anyone knows if rox-filer can browse samba network?
[11:55] <Seveas> sektor_, not really...
[11:56] <sektor_> :)
[11:56] <albacker> all ill do is find a pdftohtml converter and use firefox for reading <<< its good idea :)  : sektor_ try that :)
[11:56] <sektor> lol albacker i'll remember :)
[11:57] <Seveas> sektor, OMG, the adobe ftp server just died oslt
[11:58] <Seveas> 'caus now i cannot connet to it either
[11:58] <albacker> Seveas: thats what we were talking before ^^
[11:58] <albacker> :)
[11:58] <Seveas> but I have a screenshot :)
[11:58] <Seveas> albacker, it's so weird, just went there myself
[11:58] <Seveas> and now it's dead :)
[11:59] <albacker> maybe it used the same ISP as sektor..
[11:59] <albacker> sektor left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection)
[11:59] <Jowi> lol
[11:59] <albacker> :)
[11:59] <Seveas> :)
[12:00] <albacker> the page might be online now :P
[12:00] <sektor> computer just froze reading a pdf
[12:00] <sektor> god doesn't seem to like me reading pdfs
[12:00] <Seveas> :D
[12:00] <albacker> sektor : try my idea.. pdf 2 html converter.. and firefox !
[12:01] <sektor> albacker, think i'll try that
[12:01] <sektor> albacker, but bit too lasy for the moment :)
[12:01] <albacker> i like firefox...
[12:01] <sektor> me too
[12:02] <albacker> at least better than acro5 and gpdf.
[12:02] <sektor> :)
[12:02] <Seveas> evince is nice too
[12:02] <rob^> Seveas, what was that wiki page about conduct etc on this chan
[12:02] <alpha> pdf is nice with the vector fonts and graphics though
[12:02] <albacker> evince == gpdf reader : Seveas ??
[12:03] <alpha> you can zoom in nice without jaggies
[12:03] <sektor> what's the diff between remove and completely remove in synaptic?
[12:03] <albacker> alpha: **
[12:03] <Seveas> rob^: Please keep the code of conduct in mind when chatting here. You can find it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[12:03] <Seveas> rob^, that one..?
[12:03] <Jowi> am i still here?
[12:03] <Seveas> albacker, no, evince is a separate program
[12:03] <sektor> yeah jowi :)
[12:03] <rob^> Seveas, no the one about not mentioning ubuntuguide
[12:04] <Seveas> albacker, sektor: adobe ftp site is back
[12:04] <Seveas> rob^: Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[12:04] <Seveas> that one :)
[12:04] <rob^> yep thanks
[12:04] <sektor> Seveas what was the site again?
[12:04] <Seveas> ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/7x/7.0/ <-- acroread 7 installer
[12:04] <sektor> k tnx
[12:05] <albacker> Seveas: will see ;)
[12:05] <sektor> haha
[12:05] <albacker> so fra is the english version.. ahh ?
[12:05] <sektor> still trying to get in
[12:06] <Seveas> and it's gone again :)
[12:06] <sektor> rofl
[12:06] <sektor> omg
[12:06] <albacker> sektor : bit slow but i opened it
[12:06] <sektor> still opening... :p
[12:06] <sektor> Seveas, you don't like anna_?
[12:06] <albacker> Connecting to ftp.adobe.com[192.150.20.254] :21...
[12:06] <albacker> omg
[12:06] <Seveas> sektor, join/part/join/part/join/part...
[12:07] <alpha> Seveas: are you the router guy or just a nick?
[12:07] <sektor> ah :)
[12:07] <Seveas> alpha, router guy..?
[12:07] <alpha> wrt54g router firmware
[12:07] <alpha> im guessng no
[12:08] <Seveas> indeed :)
[12:08] <yaman> hi, anyone know about using the eclipse IDE on ubuntu?
[12:08] <albacker> Seveas: she/he s probably flooding :P par/join..join/part
[12:08] <Seveas> yaman, wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[12:08] <alpha> Seveas: just thought about it as i was configuring my router hhee
[12:08] <yaman> Seveas: thanks
[12:09] <Seveas> alpha, I do use an asus wl500g router which seems to be using much of the same hardware
[12:09] <Seveas> and have custom firmware installed for it
[12:10] <alpha> you should try the firmware
[12:10] <alpha> very nice
[12:10] <albacker> sektor : so what are you doing about the pdf
[12:10] <alpha> Seveas: i can vpn server, free rom userspace ect...
[12:11] <konki> found this ubuntu starters guide [http://ubuntuguide.org/] , one problem with the site though, doesn't seem to work...
[12:11] <light_punch2> how come gcc doesn't work.  command not found. distrowatch says it has gcc.
[12:11] <sektor> albacker, i tried again, and now it does open with adobe :)
[12:11] <Seveas> konki, that site is crap
[12:11] <alpha> Seveas: my wrt54gs has a 200mhz arm cpu, 32mb ram and 16mb rom so its not a bad little linux box running busybox linux
[12:11] <Seveas> light_punch2, aptitude install build-essential
[12:12] <albacker> light_punch2: apt-get install gcc glibc6
[12:12] <Seveas> alpha, about the same for my router
[12:12] <sektor> albacker, i actually wanted to learn something about cvs, and needed to read a pdf
[12:12] <sektor> albacker, started that two days ago :p
[12:12] <sektor> albacker, turns out, the answer isn't in there :D
[12:12] <konki> Seveas, you got any links under your sleeves just like that site?
[12:12] <alpha> woodwizzle: where you from?
[12:12] <Seveas> konki, wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:12] <woodwizzle> I havn't used anything that required the 'keyring' in a while. Now I've forgotten the password to it. Can I reset it somehow?
[12:12] <albacker> ohh good :) lately im reading about programming :) C lang.
[12:12] <albacker> ^ sektor
[12:12] <woodwizzle> alpha: Florida
[12:13] <alpha> woodwizzle: ive yet to see someone with their name the same as mine
[12:13] <light_punch2> my question is, does the ubuntu iso file contains the gcc package?
[12:13] <Seveas> light_punch2, it does
[12:13] <woodwizzle> alpha: You mean Corey?
[12:13] <Seveas> but you install it with aptitude
[12:13] <alpha> woodwizzle: yea
[12:13] <sektor> albacker, if ya need any help, i know some C :)
[12:13] <gm78> Hey all. Has anyone here managed to get Lineak working....or to get their multimedia/internet keys on their keyboard to work?
[12:13] <woodwizzle> alpha: nice :)
[12:13] <konki> aight thank Seveas let me check it out, lol@that site is crap... probably is cause  errors keep showing up
[12:13] <sektor> albacker, you familiar with cvs?
[12:14] <albacker> sektor :) no... thanks a lot. no help til now. k&r is good.
[12:14] <alpha> woodwizzle: its nice to have a name meaning angry pool of water haha
[12:14] <albacker> sektor : no, sorry. id like to help you.
[12:14] <woodwizzle> alpha: WHAT?!
[12:15] <alpha> woodwizzle: look it up its galic for angry pool of water or black raven
[12:15] <albacker> sektor: this might help : http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dbutler/tutorials/winter96/cvs/tutorial.html
[12:15] <woodwizzle> black raven is much cooler =)
[12:16] <lesshaste> how can I rip a cd that is in one computer directly to another over the network?
[12:16] <woodwizzle> alpha: Corey Burger is someone with our name who blogs on planet Ubuntu.
[12:16] <Seveas> lesshaste, you can do it on the computer the cd drive is in by mounting the other computers drive as NFS drive
[12:16] <Seveas> you need to install NFS on the other pc though
[12:17] <lesshaste> without nfs :)
[12:17] <Seveas> woodwizzle, C B is Burgundavia inn here
[12:17] <lesshaste> can I do it over ssh?
[12:17] <woodwizzle> that makes 3 angry pools of water using ubuntu
[12:17] <Seveas> lesshaste, only if your cd ripper understands gnome vfs
[12:17] <alpha> woodwizzle: neat ive just met very few people with it spelled the same way
[12:17] <sektor> albacker, think i'm gonna try the info in linux :)
[12:17] <lesshaste> Seveas, do any of them?
[12:17] <Seveas> lesshaste, ENOCLUE
[12:17] <Seveas> I never rip cd's
[12:17] <lesshaste> Seveas, actually.. how would you do it over nfs anyway?
[12:17] <albacker> sektor : the man pages ?
[12:17] <woodwizzle> yeah, I never can get personalized mugs at disney. They all say Cory
[12:17] <ntoll> okay.... where can I find the latest Ruby (the one in hoary is actually a pre-release)
[12:18] <ntoll> ?
[12:18] <sektor> albacker, no, 'info cvs'
[12:18] <lesshaste> Seveas, oh I see how to do it over nfs actually
[12:18] <Seveas> lesshaste, install nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server on the pc wher you store the data, edit /etc/exports and mount the drives on the pc with the ripper
[12:18] <sektor> but that's a lot of reading
[12:18] <albacker> sektor : the book im reading is 300 pages :D < might help.
[12:19] <woodwizzle> anyone know how to reset the keyring password?
[12:19] <sektor> albacker, hehe, about C?
[12:19] <Seveas> woodwizzle, not possible without knowing it
[12:19] <albacker> sektor : yeah k&r :)
[12:19] <woodwizzle> crud
[12:19] <sektor> albacker, k&r?
[12:19] <lesshaste>  Not sure I can get nfs to work sadly due to firewalls?
[12:19] <woodwizzle> guess I'll just keep guesing my common ones
[12:19] <albacker> kernigham and richie.
[12:19] <sektor> ah
[12:19] <haven_> Question? How can I force the Xserver to other than 640x480 mode?
[12:19] <sektor> albacker, i learned it at school :)
[12:20] <Seveas> k&r is not a good book to read C from
[12:20] <Seveas> describes old C standards
[12:20] <albacker> no i like it..
[12:20] <Seveas> I like "C A Reference manual"
[12:20] <albacker> sektor : it would be great to learn C at school.. i learn c myself. as an individual student :P
[12:20] <woodwizzle> lol, i had caps lock on =)
[12:20] <Seveas> combined with the Single Unix Specification, it's also an excellent reference
[12:20] <lesshaste> Seveas, what about mount -t cifs -o username=<username> //<remoteHostname>/<dir> /<yourMediaDir>/<device> ?
[12:20] <sektor> albacker, yeah, they schould teach that at school
[12:20] <Seveas> lesshaste, cifs?
[12:21] <lesshaste> samba?
[12:21] <sektor> albacker, but i study informatics (college) so we get lots of programming :)
[12:21] <albacker> sektor :: aha ok.. that explains.
[12:21] <Seveas> lesshaste, well, you will need to install a samba server on the other machine then :)
[12:21] <lesshaste> yes:)
[12:21] <lesshaste> I need to find an ssh way
[12:21] <lesshaste> there is sshfs I think
[12:21] <spanglesontoast> !spangles
[12:21] <ubotu> spanglesontoast: Are you smoking crack?
[12:21] <Seveas> there is indeed
[12:21] <Seveas> spanglesontoast, don't play with the bot
[12:21] <nikkia> Seveas: 2nd edition isn't too bad, it describes ANSI, granted an old version of ANSI, but not much has changed in the basic ANSI language
[12:22] <spanglesontoast> what bot is it?
[12:22] <Seveas> nikkia, ack
[12:22] <Seveas> but C99 is so much nicer :)
[12:22] <natecull> How well supported is msiexec.exe under Wine on Ubuntu?
[12:22] <nikkia> Seveas: a begginer isn't likely to hit any of the changes in C99
[12:22] <Seveas> natecull, try #wine
[12:22] <nikkia> beginner, even
[12:22] <Seveas> nikkia, ACk again :)
[12:22] <natecull> ok
[12:23] <lesshaste> aren't we on 0x now? :)
[12:23] <nikkia> seveas, basically, someone needs to club brian or dennis until they update it with C99
[12:23] <lesshaste> C0X
[12:23] <nikkia> lesshaste: not yet, the 'x' implies its not finished
[12:23] <lesshaste> ok
[12:23] <Seveas> nikkia, lol :)
[12:23] <spanglesontoast> god does the lfs actually work on ubuntu?
[12:23] <sektor> syntax of a programminglanguage isn't really important
[12:23] <lesshaste> as in XXX
[12:23] <lesshaste> really not finished website? :)
[12:23] <Seveas> sektor, it is
[12:23] <Seveas> sektor, try programming in brainfuck....
[12:23] <nikkia> lesshaste: C99 was C9x before it was ratified in '99
[12:23] <sektor> as long as you get the semantics, google can help you through a lot :)
[12:24] <sektor> lol
[12:24] <lesshaste> sektor, I know what you mean but you can take that to an extreme of course
[12:24] <sektor> never tried it, but sounds cool ;)
[12:24] <Seveas> sektor, google for it
[12:24] <nikkia> lesshaste: C0x will become C05, C06 or C07 (likely the last on there) when its final
[12:24] <lesshaste> ok thx
[12:24] <nikkia> erm, wait, ignore that
[12:24] <nikkia> you're confusing me! there is no upcoming C0x standard yet
[12:24] <sektor> i don't think i know the full syntax of either C, C++ or java, but if i had to program in either of these, it would be no problem (with google at hand of course)
[12:24] <nikkia> you're thinking of C++0x :)
[12:26] <spanglesontoast> god does the lfs actually work on ubuntu?
[12:26] <lesshaste> :)
[12:26] <sektor> Seveas, omg, did u ever program in brainfuck? :D
[12:27] <nikkia> lesshaste: there is some guy that has written a book, and self-published it, calling for a new standard, but as far as i know, ANSI aren't working on anything to replace C99 yet
[12:27] <Seveas> sektor, yes
[12:27] <sektor> Seveas, dude you're sick :p
[12:27] <Seveas> i know :)
[12:27] <sektor> haha
[12:27] <lesshaste> anyone ever copied a file to a mobile phone over a usb cable? I have mounted it and can copy from it but not to it
[12:27] <Seveas> sektor, but you now see that syntax is important :)
[12:27] <sektor> yeah :P
[12:27] <nikkia> lesshaste: nope, i use bluetooth, sorry
[12:27] <sektor> Seveas, basically that language is just a simulation of a turing machine
[12:28] <Seveas> indeed
[12:28] <sektor> and there is a good reason why nobody uses turing machines anymore :P
[12:29] <Seveas> sektor, that's not true
[12:29] <Seveas> they are still used
[12:29] <sektor> um, really?
[12:29] <sektor> who would want to use it?
[12:29] <lesshaste>  actually I can copy it as root.
[12:29] <rainingzigzags> how do i create a shortcut on the desktop for this folder   media/windows?
[12:29] <lesshaste> Now I just can't work out how to find the file on the phone (k750i) :)
[12:30] <rainingzigzags> nvm got it
[12:30] <Seveas> rainingzigzags, ln -s /media/windows ~/desktop/windows
[12:32] <Jowi> in Ubuntu, LVM is started by default. Do i need it if I haven't created any volume groups? Will it corrupt my HDD if i remove the option from init.d?
[12:35] <tessier> Hello all!
[12:36] <sektor> Hello!
[12:36] <tessier> Another question for you: If Ubuntu does not have a root password set how do you login at the console for single user mode?
[12:36] <gromf> hello
[12:37] <spanglesontoast> sudo
[12:37] <El_Che> tessier: good question. I don't like the sudo thing and did this: sudo passwd root
[12:38] <El_Che> broken defaults (nautilust) are erase to fix
[12:38] <El_Che> easy
[12:38] <El_Che> not erase
[12:38] <El_Che> ;)
[12:38] <El_Che> bbl
[12:38] <El_Che> lunch
[12:39] <spanglesontoast> can I use lfs with ubuntu?
[12:40] <sektor> gotta go
[12:40] <sektor> c y'all
[12:41] <spanglesontoast> can i get gcc 3.4.0 ?
[12:42] <nightswim> yes
[12:43] <spanglesontoast> where?
[12:44] <spanglesontoast> because when i do gcc -v
[12:44] <spanglesontoast>  it says gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)
[12:44] <BockBilbo> hello
[12:44] <spanglesontoast> when i think I have it already  installed
[12:44] <Nermal> I've got version 4 on hoary
[12:44] <Nermal> gcc version 4.0.1 20050517 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.0-7ubuntu6~5.04ubp1)
[12:44] <Nermal> ah.. ubuntu backports
[12:45] <spanglesontoast> huh
[12:45] <spanglesontoast> cos I need 3.4.0 for linux from stratch
[12:45] <konki> any site good for apt installations??
[12:45] <spanglesontoast> konki: man apt
[12:45] <fungiA> hey all
[12:45] <fungiA> um
[12:45] <Jowi> hi fungiA
[12:46] <fungiA> how do i install a program twice with dpkg
[12:46] <fungiA> lik
[12:46] <fungiA> dpkg -i bla.01
[12:46] <fungiA> then
[12:46] <Seveas> spanglesontoast, you don't want to use 3.4 on a hoary system...
[12:46] <fungiA> dpkg -i bla.02
[12:46] <spanglesontoast> hmm why not?
[12:46] <fungiA> for a newere version?
[12:46] <konki> spanglesontoast, like ubuntuguide.org... which doesn't work...
[12:46] <Jowi> fungiA, you want them to exist side-by-side as separete programs?
[12:47] <Seveas> fungiA, if they have the same package name they will overwrite each other
[12:47] <Seveas> konki, ubuntuguide is not good
[12:47] <Seveas> ubuntuguide is crap
[12:47] <Seveas> konki: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:47] <fungiA> Jowi, no definately not
[12:47] <fungiA> want to upgrade
[12:47] <fungiA> what switch do i use?
[12:47] <rob^> Seveas, have you seen the offical faq based off ubuntuguide yet?
[12:47] <Jowi> fungiA, then do a normal installation and it will overwrite the old and use the new installation automatically
[12:48] <Coyctecm> anyone have tryied K3D in ubuntu
[12:48] <Coyctecm> ?
[12:48] <Seveas> rob^, wiki.ubuntu.com answers all kinds of questions...
[12:48] <rob^> Seveas, I am one of the authors of the offical one..
[12:48] <fungiA> Jowi: so the example i gave was correct?
[12:49] <Jowi> fungiA, yes.
[12:49] <tessier> El_Che: I really like the sudo thing. I am just going to say we use init=/bin/sh or a rescue disk then.
[12:49] <spanglesontoast> seveas do you think I would need a proper root prompt?
[12:49] <spanglesontoast> for lfs
[12:49] <Seveas> rob^, url?
[12:49] <rob^> I can upload a draft for you
[12:50] <fungiA> Jowi: just to bug you what switch would i use to install them side bye side?
[12:50] <rob^> its still work-in-progress on svn
[12:50] <Seveas> rob^, can you send it to me via e-mail?
[12:50] <rob^> yes, wait one..
[12:50] <Seveas> i'm very interested in this :)
[12:50] <Seveas> dennis@ubuntulinux.nl is my address
[12:51] <Jowi> fungiA, there is no way as far as i can see. the package contains paths to where all files are located. probably need to compile it from source and specify another path to install it to there.
[12:51] <spanglesontoast> and I know this is silly but is it possible to resize a partition that ubuntu is already install onto
[12:51] <phanter> hey, how can i mount a samba disk from gnome (i need to provide a username and password)
[12:52] <Jowi> fungiA, but then again. i do not know all the switches for dpkg. maybe there is a wizard way of doing it :-)
[12:52] <Seveas> phanter, places -> connect to server
[12:53] <Seveas> phanter, if you really need to mount it, you need to have smbfs installed
[12:53] <spanglesontoast> anyone?
[12:53] <phanter> Seveas, what to choose now? Windows share?
[12:53] <Jowi> spanglesontoast, the drive need to be unmounted for it to work. so the only way is to boot a live-cd and do it from there
[12:54] <Seveas> phanter, yes
[12:54] <fungiA> Jowi: ok im just use to rpm's with -i for install -U for upgrade
[12:54] <Seveas> spanglesontoast, not while it's mounted
[12:54] <Seveas> so you might need to use a livecd
[12:54] <fungiA> but ubuntus all -i by the looks of it
[12:54] <spanglesontoast> grr lol
[12:54] <Seveas> fungiA, ubuntu does not use rpms
[12:55] <Jowi> fungiA, fortunatley, apt-get is what make me move from Mandrake
[12:55] <Jowi> make=made
[12:55] <fungiA> i know .debs
[12:55] <Seveas> the rpm format is inferior to the .deb files used by debian/ubuntu
[12:55] <Amaranth> Seveas: You know the internals of both?
[12:55] <Amaranth> Seveas: And have used both?
[12:55] <fungiA> Jowi, oh yeah? what is all the hpe about mandrake?
[12:55] <Seveas> Amaranth, yes
[12:56] <fungiA> is it just for dum people who need lots of gui's?
[12:56] <fungiA> and can't hanndle a comand line
[12:56] <Amaranth> Seveas: You could make me a deb and an rpm of any random project?
[12:56] <fungiA> and don't want to learn about linux
[12:56] <Jowi> fungiA, i found the switch: dpkg --instdir=<directory> or you could use --root=<directory> depending on the situation
[12:56] <fungiA> Jowi: oh cool
[12:57] <Seveas> Amaranth, not of any random project
[12:57] <Jowi> fungiA, it is a really good distro. i used MDK up to version 10.1 then i get tired of the constant rpm searches and dependancies issues
[12:57] <Seveas> Amaranth, rpms are easier to create
[12:58] <fungiA> see
[12:58] <Seveas> but .deb files are much more powerful (and of course the whole repository system with standards that developers adhere too helps :))
[12:58] <Seveas> s/too/to
[12:58] <Coyctecm> debian vs ubuntu?
[12:58] <Coyctecm> :D
[12:58] <natecull> hmm, nobody home on #wine
[12:58] <fungiA> Jowi: whats some key points that make MDK good for everyone in your opion?
[12:58] <Seveas> Coyctecm, that is not really a vs.
[12:58] <Seveas> that is a con
[12:59] <Coyctecm> Seveas: true =)
[12:59] <Seveas> as in a symbiotic link (from U. point of view) :)
[12:59] <blrich> Seveas, sorry, i went off and watched a movie for an hour =P   do you know how i can solve the ps/2 mouse problem
[12:59] <Seveas> blrich, not really...
[12:59] <Jowi> fungiA, until i tried Ubuntu, i had never seen a distro with better hardware detection. That was the sellingpoint for me.
[12:59] <Seveas> maybe removing it from /etc/modules might help
[01:00] <spanglesontoast> what's the root password for live?
[01:00] <Seveas> spanglesontoast, tehre is none
[01:00] <spanglesontoast> hmm
[01:00] <Coyctecm> I like ubuntu and it's installed =) but sarge isn't bad either
[01:00] <spanglesontoast> does it ask for a user password
[01:00] <Seveas> spanglesontoast, nope
[01:00] <spanglesontoast> for sudo
[01:01] <natecull> hmm, now Sarge has been released, what's next for Debian?
[01:01] <Seveas> natecull, etch
[01:01] <natecull> is it likely that some of the Ubuntu forks will make their way upstream into Etch?
[01:01] <natecull> or is there a different ethos with Debian?
[01:02] <Seveas> it is likely (and has happened for some packages already)
[01:02] <natecull> cool
[01:02] <natecull> I am enjoying the universe and multiverse repositories
[01:03] <natecull> the more up to date stock Debian becomes the better
[01:03] <phanter> Seveas, I can connect, but the login does not work
[01:03] <Seveas> phanter try MACHINENAME\loginname as login
[01:03] <Computer__Guru> allo
[01:03] <Computer__Guru> how do I build the jre?
[01:04] <fungiA> Jowi: have u seen fedoras hardware detection?
[01:04] <phanter> Seveas, and where do I add the password
[01:04] <Computer__Guru> i know i download the .bin file from sun, but then what
[01:04] <Jowi> fungiA, Nope, never tried FC.
[01:04] <Seveas> Computer__Guru: To install java on Ubuntu: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, sudo aptitude install fakeroot java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , sudo dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[01:04] <deFrysk> Computer__Guru, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[01:05] <Coyctecm> almost always I used debian but now I moved to ubuntu...is there how good compapility between ubuntu and debian packages?
[01:05] <fungiA> i found it very good
[01:05] <Computer__Guru> Seveas: you da man :)
[01:05] <Seveas> Coyctecm, source compatibility: yes
[01:05] <Computer__Guru> ty deFrysk
[01:05] <phanter> I got it to work... thanks
[01:05] <Seveas> binary: usually
[01:05] <Computer__Guru> ty again all
[01:06] <Coyctecm> Seveas: Ok, then if I install some debian package that won't break ubuntu?
[01:06] <Seveas> Coyctecm, usually not, but almost all packages from the debian repos are in Ubuntu
[01:07] <sexcopter8000m> i wanna get edonkey on ubuntu, but can't find it in synaptic. do you know of a repository where it's kept or do i just have to get it manually?
[01:07] <gm78> Coyctecm, another option u have is to add a debian source repo to ur sources.lst and use apt to compile a package
[01:08] <Jowi> fungiA, ah, ok :-)
[01:08] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, mldonkey
[01:08] <gm78> Coyctecm, thats what i had to do to get transcode installed
[01:08] <apokryphos> Seveas: know anyone who has control over ubotu? i.e. to be able to make him join other channels
[01:08] <sexcopter8000m> ah, so what's mldonkey?
[01:08] <Jowi> !lvm
[01:08] <ubotu> Jowi: I give up, what is it?
[01:09] <Seveas> apokryphos, cafuego
[01:09] <apokryphos> Seveas: anyone else? I seem to always miss him when he's active...
[01:09] <Amaranth> i'm supposed to
[01:09] <Amaranth> but ubotu's dcc module doesn't work
[01:09] <sexcopter8000m> and which packages do i need?
[01:09] <apokryphos> Amaranth: Hi :). Long time no see
[01:09] <apokryphos> oh
[01:09] <Amaranth> hi
[01:10] <apokryphos> How've you been?
[01:10] <Amaranth> yeah, been away from home on dialup whenever i could
[01:10] <apokryphos> I was away for a few months; self-imposed ban to not fail egzams.
[01:10] <Amaranth> haha
[01:10] <Amaranth> btw, teaser shot for everyone: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg-0.8beta1.png
[01:10] <apokryphos> Addiction re-initiated nwo.
[01:11] <Amaranth> that's mostly showing off the new icon theme that breezy is going to have though
[01:11] <gm78> Does anyone here have any experience with the gnome-keybinding-properties tool?
[01:12] <spanglesontoast> can I have the apt-sources
[01:12] <apokryphos> Amaranth: I like it; seems cleaner.
[01:12] <Amaranth> it's probably still a month away from release :/
[01:12] <spanglesontoast> plz
[01:12] <Amaranth> i haven't gotten _anything_ done on it and i have some hard decisions to make
[01:12] <Amaranth> spanglesontoast: apt-sources for what?
[01:12] <Amaranth> apt-get source <package>
[01:12] <apokryphos> Amaranth: you're making it? :-O
[01:13] <Amaranth> apokryphos: Smeg?
[01:13] <Jowi> Amaranth, follows rest of GUI nicely. looks great :-)
[01:13] <spanglesontoast> apt-get
[01:13] <spanglesontoast> no you need the new sources
[01:13] <Amaranth> AndyFitz is working on the humility icon theme, not me :P
[01:13] <Amaranth> spanglesontoast: What package do you want?
[01:13] <Geist|Patrick> hi
[01:13] <deFrysk> fakeroot apt-get source -b smeg
[01:13] <spanglesontoast> gparted
[01:13] <Jowi> Amaranth, does smeg support drag-n-drop for the menu-items?
[01:13] <apokryphos> Amaranth: meant the icon theme, but I figure you're making Smeg
[01:14] <Amaranth> spanglesontoast: You mean you want the one from breezy?
[01:14] <Amaranth> Jowi: Yeah.
[01:14] <Geist|Patrick> hi
[01:14] <spanglesontoast> no hoary
[01:14] <Jowi> Amaranth, fantastic :-)
[01:14] <apokryphos> Amaranth: for editing the menu, I take it?
[01:14] <spanglesontoast> breezy is dev
[01:14] <deFrysk> works fine
[01:14] <Amaranth> Jowi: Working on DnD from nautilus but i'll only work on .desktop files
[01:14] <Geist|Patrick> ntfs read write...
[01:14] <Geist|Patrick> whats the best thing to do that?
[01:14] <Amaranth> Jowi: Even 0.7 does DnD for reordering and such
[01:14] <apokryphos> I guess it's good to have that. Wouldn't have noticed GNOME's lack of it if there weren't a zillion members in here asking :P
[01:14] <Amaranth> Geist|Patrick: ntfs captive
[01:15] <Geist|Patrick> thats the one with win dlls
[01:15] <Amaranth> Jowi: But you need GNOME 2.11 to reorder anything, the 2.10 release is crap
[01:15] <Amaranth> Geist|Patrick: yeah
[01:15] <Geist|Patrick> kk :)
[01:15] <apokryphos> spanglesontoast: you want a sources.list? What are you on now?
[01:16] <Amaranth> oh, and http://dev.realistanew.com/shiny2.png is the new nautilus
[01:16] <Jowi> Amaranth, alright. so the thought is that when an icon is dropped from the desktop it will pop up a window querying in what menu it shall go into and such...?
[01:16] <apokryphos> Amaranth: where did the inspiration for that name coem from?
[01:16] <Amaranth> for those of you afraid of running breezy
[01:16] <Amaranth> apokryphos: red dwarf
[01:16] <Jowi> smeg-head. i got season 1!
[01:17] <abarbaccia_away> Amaranth, horray for better nautilus
[01:17] <apokryphos> aha
[01:17] <spanglesontoast> hoary
[01:17] <Amaranth> Jowi: I've never seen it.
[01:17] <apokryphos> spanglesontoast: just what are you talking about? You want sources..for hoary? (which you have?)
[01:17] <spanglesontoast> the normal ones that come with it
[01:18] <Jowi> Amaranth, it is very good. although abit bizarre
[01:18] <Geist|Patrick> does denoam support rpm statics?
[01:18] <apokryphos> spanglesontoast: well, here's mine http://giannaros.org/sources.list
[01:18] <spanglesontoast> ty
[01:19] <Coyctecm> K-3D in ubuntu?
[01:19] <Geist|Patrick> what is k3d?
[01:19] <Coyctecm> http://k3d.sourceforge.net/
[01:19] <mpmc> Yeah, Yeah Yeah!
[01:19] <azorazor> does anyone knows whhy kubuntu 5.04 stops booting at "starting hotplug subsystem" ?  the computer hangs
[01:19] <apokryphos> Welcome to the wonderful world of K-3D! A complete free-as-in-freedom 3D modeling, animation and rendering system for GNU/Linux, Posix, and Win32.
[01:20] <Coyctecm> there is debian packages... =)
[01:20] <apokryphos> It's in the repositories
[01:20] <gm78> Coyctecm, did u check universe and multiverse. btw, blender is one of the best programs for that kind of stuff
[01:20] <azorazor> I have just download and installed kubuntu 5.04 but doesnt boot
[01:20] <mpmc> Is it possible to Mix All OSS sound into one output?
[01:21] <Coyctecm> gm78, no I can't check now I'm in work..
[01:21] <mpmc> Ideas
[01:21] <mpmc> ?
[01:21] <Coyctecm> gm78: yes I know blender but it's hard to use :/
[01:23] <gm78> Coyctecm, k3d is in synaptic. it will be in either universe or multiverse
[01:23] <apokryphos> Universe
[01:23] <Geist|Patrick> i need help with installing a new kernel...
[01:23] <Geist|Patrick> i seems that the new kernel is missing somehting
[01:23] <Coyctecm> gm78: thanks, I'll try that when I'm home =)
[01:23] <Geist|Patrick> so that it freezes everytime i make some changes on the system :/
[01:24] <deFrysk> Geist|Patrick, why did you install a new kernel ?
[01:24] <gm78> Coyctecm, no problem
[01:24] <Geist|Patrick> security patches?
[01:24] <gm78> Coyctecm, it might be out of date tho. if so u can still use it or compile the latest version
[01:24] <deFrysk> Geist|Patrick, oh ?
[01:24] <Geist|Patrick> and more speed coze k7 optimization
[01:24] <deFrysk> Geist|Patrick, ubuntu has no security patches ?
[01:25] <deFrysk> or was it an update ?
[01:25] <Geist|Patrick> kernel 2.6.10 to 2.6.11
[01:25] <gm78> Geist|Patrick, i would stick with the 386 or 686 kernels....ive seen people on forums with problems with the k* ones
[01:25] <Geist|Patrick> synaptic installs a 2nd kernel
[01:26] <Geist|Patrick> well.. whic one for a amt athlon64 system
[01:26] <Geist|Patrick> 668?
[01:26] <deFrysk> ?
[01:26] <gm78> Geist|Patrick, 2.6.11 was not meant for general release, its a development kernel....thats most likely what is wrong
[01:26] <tekyogi> hi all...
[01:26] <Geist|Patrick> ah ok...
[01:26] <gm78> Geist|Patrick, ur thinking of k8 for amd64, not k7
[01:26] <deFrysk> Geist|Patrick, just use the stoch ubuntu kernel , works fine
[01:26] <Coyctecm> k7 kernel works fine in my machine
[01:26] <deFrysk> stock*
[01:26] <Geist|Patrick> well... k8 = k7 + memcontroler + 64bit pipes
[01:27] <tekyogi> been trying to get my onboard sound card for Asus P4P8X working... been banging my head for a while. any similar exp.
[01:27] <tekyogi> sorry its ADI AD1985 , AC'97 CODEC
[01:27] <tekyogi> btw i'm a newbie just build my new machine n' starting on ubuntu hoary
[01:27] <haven_> I have a question?
[01:27] <spanglesontoast> I cannot resize my partition using gparted using the live vesrion that sucks
[01:28] <gm78> haven_, go ahead and ask it
[01:28] <gm78> spanglesontoast, using qtparted from knoppix works much better
[01:28] <tekyogi> anyw one with any sound card trouble shooting exp???
[01:28] <haven_> When I ran the setup in ubuntu it locked my xserver resolution at 640x480. How can I change this?
[01:28] <gm78> haven_, do u know how to use pastebin?
[01:28] <spanglesontoast> what's /dev/mapper/casper-cow?
[01:29] <haven_> Gm78 I'm kinda new at this
[01:29] <gm78> haven_, well pastebin is actually a website that u can post large text files at
[01:30] <scizho> does anyone knows any graphical file splitter application that can go with windows?
[01:31] <spanglesontoast> god i only wanted to resize the partition ubuntu was on using the live vesrion
[01:33] <Jowi> spanglesontoast, why cant you resize it? does ubuntu-live mount your linux partition?
[01:33] <aceton> Could anyobody tell me whats good about Ubunu other than at being easy to set up?
[01:34] <bob2> try it and see
[01:34] <aceton> I have!
[01:34] <aceton> I'm using gentoo at the moment, mutch better
[01:34] <spanglesontoast> how can I check?
[01:34] <apokryphos> aceton: ubuntu.com gives quite a few reasons
[01:35] <apokryphos> despite it being ugly :P
[01:35] <Jowi> spanglesontoast, if the linux drive (for example /dev/hda1) has got a lock beside it in gparted
[01:35] <gm78> aceton, i like the community much better
[01:36] <sinferno> ok my cdrom is busy and wont eject lol
[01:36] <sinferno> but i dont want to unmount it
[01:36] <Jowi> spanglesontoast, if it does have a lock; right click on it and choose unmount. that will remove the lock and you should be able to resize it
[01:36] <sinferno> is there a way i can make it just eject when i hit the freakin button
[01:36] <El_Che> sinferno: no
[01:37] <sinferno> El_Che, 8(
[01:37] <El_Che> sinferno: why you don't want to unmount?
[01:37] <spanglesontoast> it has a X
[01:37] <spanglesontoast> next to it
[01:37] <apokryphos> Right-Click -> eject should do it
[01:37] <apokryphos> hm, actually not sure how gnome works
[01:38] <El_Che> sinferno: umount -d /media/cdrom
[01:38] <Jowi> spanglesontoast, are you using gparted?
[01:38] <El_Che> sinferno: now on solaris at work (it is this or windows :) )
[01:38] <spanglesontoast> yea
[01:38] <shoutmay`> anyone who use Emacs snapshot in ubuntu hoary?
[01:38] <sinferno> El_Che, no its not that its that when i go to eject it trys to unmount hdc
[01:38] <blrich> can anyone give me some help getting nvidia-glx working? I have a geforce6200 running a dvi flatpanel monitor
[01:38] <sinferno> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[01:38] <sinferno> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[01:38] <sinferno> eject: unmount of `/dev/hdc' failed
[01:38] <sinferno> thats the window output
[01:38] <embalmer> Any reason I should use Pine instead of Mutt?
[01:38] <sinferno> its trying hdc
[01:38] <sinferno> for some retarted reason
[01:39] <El_Che> sinferno: lsof | grep /media/cdrom
[01:39] <El_Che> sinferno: to see what keeps the cdrom busy
[01:39] <spanglesontoast> the unmount button is faded on gparted
[01:39] <Jowi> spanglesontoast, i have no "x"'s in my version of gparted. Are you looking under the "partition" column?
[01:39] <BockBilbo> are there any known problems with samba and nfs with nautilus?
[01:39] <El_Che> sinferno: maybe hdc is your cdrom
[01:39] <sinferno> working, i guess
[01:39] <BockBilbo> every once in a while nautilus gets frozen because of them, any idea?
[01:40] <sinferno> gam_serve  8046    charles  180r      DIR       22,0      2048      3008 /media/cdrom0
[01:40] <sinferno> no its not
[01:40] <sinferno> my cdrom is cdrom0
[01:40] <sinferno> it was working earlier
[01:40] <El_Che> sinferno: do ls -la /dev/cdrom0 ?
[01:41] <sinferno> El_Che, oh it is hdc!
[01:41] <blrich> anyone here know how to get nvidia-glx working? i had it working before, without setting up, with my generic onboard card. i bought a geforce6200, but i can't get that to work with it. what am i doing wrong?
[01:41] <El_Che> sinferno: :)
[01:41] <sinferno> /dev/hdc on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=charles)
[01:41] <sinferno> thats my mount output
[01:41] <El_Che> sinferno: lsof |grep /media/cdrom0
[01:41] <spanglesontoast> I give up this sucks.
[01:41] <Spaic> hello, how do i set eth0 to use dhcp and "restart" the network?
[01:41] <spanglesontoast> think I'll go back to fedora
[01:41] <Jowi> spanglesontoast, what file system is on that partition?
[01:42] <spanglesontoast> ext3
[01:42] <sinferno> El_Che, i did that earlier i knew to add the 0
[01:42] <sinferno> El_Che, the other is my cd burner
[01:42] <blrich> aaaaanybody at all? anybody at all ever used nvidia-glx? got it working? can anyone help me?
[01:42] <sinferno> El_Che, there is no /dev/cdrom0 its in media
[01:42] <sinferno> El_Che, i have warcraft III in it lol
[01:43] <Jowi> spanglesontoast, then it should not be a problem. no "lock" icon beside it and "unmount" is grayed out. you should be able to resize it.
[01:43] <spanglesontoast> yea but it says that it's busy
[01:43] <spanglesontoast> or do I have to restart the computer?
[01:43] <sinferno> bahhhhhhhh ill just unmount it
[01:44] <sinferno> i want the eject to work
[01:44] <sinferno> whoa
[01:44] <sinferno> it wont work
[01:44] <sinferno> its busy
[01:44] <sinferno> still
[01:44] <sinferno> i had cedega running it but i closed the terminal
[01:44] <Jowi> spanglesontoast, if it is busy you will not be able to resize it. if you booted from the disk you will not be able to. you must boot from a live-cd or similar.
[01:45] <spanglesontoast> yea I'm using live
[01:45] <spanglesontoast> but it says busy when it's not being used
[01:45] <sinferno> gahhhhhhhhhhhhhh is there a way to cockblock a cd rom??
[01:45] <sinferno> anyone
[01:45] <sinferno> i cant unmount it cause its busy
[01:45] <trog_> sinferno, kill the process that is using the cdrom
[01:46] <trog_> in a term, type top
[01:46] <sinferno> trog_, i cant find one, i was running it with the terminal and i closed it
[01:46] <Jowi> spanglesontoast, what does mount (without switches) say?
[01:46] <sinferno> trog_, ok lemme check
[01:46] <azorazor> hi anyone knows why kubuntu 5.04 stops booting at "starting hotplug subsystem" ?
[01:46] <trog_> then k + pid
[01:46] <mpmc> Does anyone know a good PHP Editor with hightlighting, code reminder.. etc.. without it crashing! like Quanta?
[01:46] <spanglesontoast> alot
[01:46] <apokryphos> mpmc: Kate
[01:47] <azorazor> hi anyone knows why kubuntu 5.04 stops booting at "starting hotplug subsystem" ?
[01:47] <apokryphos> mpmc: why not  Quanta though?
[01:47] <apokryphos> azorazor: please don't flood. If no-one answers, try again later
[01:47] <mpmc> I load it it crashes instantly
[01:47] <apokryphos> mpmc: what version do you have there?
[01:47] <sinferno> trog_, woooooootz my cd rom is open!!!!!!!
[01:47] <mpmc> 3.4.. Ithink
[01:47] <apokryphos> mpmc: quanta --version
[01:47] <sinferno> trog_, thanks lol
[01:48] <apokryphos> mpmc: try upgrading to 3.4.1 -- it's in the kubuntu.org repository
[01:48] <trog_> sinferno, np
[01:48] <calamari> hi
[01:48] <azorazor> apokr : sorry just to check
[01:48] <calamari> where can I get nfs?  it doesn't seem to be in the repository
[01:48] <mpmc> Qt: 3.3.3
[01:48] <mpmc> KDE: 3.4.0
[01:48] <mpmc> Quanta: 3.4.0
[01:48] <mpmc> :)
[01:48] <apokryphos> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main
[01:48] <ChuffyKow> hey guys, can I ask a question about wireless cards?
[01:48] <blrich> what's the best music player and library arranger on ubuntu?
[01:48] <apokryphos> mpmc: 3.4.1 is working great here at least; you should have no problems with it, hopefully..
[01:48] <trog_> mpmc, nvu?  not sure how it handles php
[01:49] <ChuffyKow> 'lspci' is currently not showing my minipci truemobile 1150 card
[01:49] <apokryphos> blrich: amaroK
[01:49] <calamari> alternately.. is there another command I want instead of /etc/init.d/nfs start ?
[01:49] <ChuffyKow> modprobe 'orinoco_cs' returns nothing, and ifconfig wlan0 errors out saying the interface doesn't exsist
[01:49] <ChuffyKow> ifconfig eth1 reports the mac address of my wireless card, but it is reported as a wired ethernet card
[01:50] <mpmc> Quanta is a bloated.. with others.. I want something simple. GUI, with highlighting,code reminder etc?
[01:50] <ed1t> is there any good html editors for linux like Dreamweaver MX?
[01:50] <apokryphos> mpmc: Kate is what I use
[01:50] <mpmc> I cannot run that
[01:50] <apokryphos> why?
[01:50] <mpmc> I'll have a look
[01:50] <ChuffyKow> any ideas guys?
[01:51] <scizho> does anyone knows any graphical file splitter application that can go with windows?
[01:51] <apokryphos> ed1t: many great HTML editors; fewer WYSIWYG editors. Bluefish is among the used ones...
[01:51] <ChuffyKow> scizho: a rar-compatible program will work fine
[01:51] <djp> how many workspaces is it safe to have under gnome?
[01:51] <calamari> aha.. it's in the repos.. just weirdly named.. nfs-kernel-server
[01:51] <Will_> djp: Safe?
[01:51] <ed1t> apokryphos, do you know the website for bluefish? or u know if i can get it from synaptic/apt-get?
[01:52] <Will_> djp: Just how many do you plan for?
[01:52] <apokryphos> ed1t: you can; it's in Universe.
[01:52] <ed1t> k
[01:52] <mpmc> Kate don't have code reminders does it?
[01:53] <djp> Will_: well i am using all 4 at the moment and would like to push it up by at least another couple. i just wondered how it affects machine performance and what it does to sysytem resources
[01:53] <apokryphos> mpmc: code reminders? As in... automatically insert the tag?
[01:53] <mpmc> no..
[01:53] <Will_> djp: I've used 8 on a lower end machine. Why not just try it, and see what happens?
[01:53] <apokryphos> mpmc: there's a few kate plugins to assist. If it's not installed already, install kate-plugins, then check back to see if you want to enable any...
[01:54] <djp> Will_: sure. will do.  thank for the response.
[01:54] <mpmc> you put your mouse over the text, and it gives a tool tip like. str_replace)search,replace,subject);
[01:54] <Will_> djp: Not 100% the answer you needed, but, you should be right
[01:54] <milky> Hi. what is the name of ncurses package?
[01:55] <djp> Will_: no probs! :) at least you didn't say, push it up and see your machine come crashing to a standstill! ;)
[01:55] <apokryphos> mpmc: not sure if you can do that. You could ask in #kate ...
[01:55] <ChuffyKow> milky: ncurses-base or ncurses-bin
[01:56] <milky> thanx a lot
[01:56] <mpmc> I know quanta does.
[01:56] <bimberi> mpmc: "bluefish" has been mentioned - not used it myself though - might be worth a look
[01:56] <sexcopter8000m> what should i use to upload to ftp?
[01:57] <milky> i got them both but stil cant run make menuconfig
[01:57] <rob^> sexcopter8000m, gftp
[01:57] <azorazor> Really no one cant help me ? kubuntu 5.04 stops booting at "starting hotplug subsystem" ?
[01:57] <sexcopter8000m> thanks rob^
[01:57] <rob^> np
[01:58] <nalioth> mpmc: bluefish, quanta, and nvu are all web content editors of various means
[01:58] <apokryphos> mpmc: though I resent the remark that Quanta is bloated :P
[01:58] <El_Che> apokryphos: is Quanta stable?
[01:58] <rob^> bah I do all my web content/docbook editing using gedit
[01:58] <apokryphos> El_Che: Pretty stable. Version I've got hasn't crashed yet
[01:59] <rob^> very little bloat (gtk aside)
[01:59] <milky> is there any other ncurses package
[01:59] <El_Che> apokryphos: I remember it was pretty kinky in my kde days :). Good to know. Will re-try it.
[02:00] <mpmc> Bluefish is confusing.. I liked quanta. But it crashes :s
[02:00] <Panzerboy> !gcc
[02:00] <ubotu> Panzerboy: I don't know, could you explain it?
[02:00] <milky>  it says "You must install ncurses-devel in order to use 'make menuconfig'" but cant find it
[02:00] <apokryphos> El_Che: they've really improved feature-wise, as far as I know. Though last I heard (this was some time ago), they had two devs doing something like a ten-person job :-O
[02:00] <Panzerboy> hmm
[02:00] <Panzerboy> what is the name of the build package?
[02:00] <Panzerboy> !build
[02:00] <ubotu> Panzerboy: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[02:00] <Panzerboy> grr
[02:00] <Panzerboy> it's not build-essentials?
[02:01] <Panzerboy> yeah
[02:01] <Panzerboy> without the s :)
[02:01] <mpmc> #11 0xb64d79e0 in __after_morecore_hook () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
[02:01] <mpmc> #12 0x08a02548 in ?? ()
[02:01] <mpmc> #13 0xb64d79e0 in __after_morecore_hook () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
[02:01] <mpmc> #14 0xb64d7038 in ?? () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
[02:01] <mpmc> #15 0xb64d79e0 in __after_morecore_hook () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
[02:01] <mpmc> thats the trace
[02:01] <mpmc> sorry guys
[02:01] <Geist|Patrick> i cant get acces to media:/hda2/usr/share/opera/locale
[02:02] <Geist|Patrick> how can i open that folder with root rights?
[02:02] <rob^> milky, try libncurses5-dev
[02:02] <milky> i will, thanx
[02:03] <sexcopter8000m> wow, this gftp is incredibly easy to use, even i managed =D
[02:03] <rob^> :) good to hear
[02:03] <rob^> sexcopter8000m, another way is Places->Connect to server
[02:03] <milky> now it works. thank you
[02:03] <icewt> sexcopter8000m, unfortunately there are quite many bad bugs in it :/
[02:04] <sexcopter8000m> and in windows i used to use cuteftp, and this gftp just works so much damn quicker
[02:04] <sexcopter8000m> icewt, oh?
[02:04] <rob^> icewt, I've never had a problem with it
[02:05] <icewt> rob^, i have. bug good for you if it works without problems
[02:05] <rob^> yeah
[02:05] <icewt> i'm using lftp and waiting for FileZilla3 ;)
[02:05] <rob^> sexcopter8000m, you can always do it the other way I suggested also
[02:05] <kbrooks> !ubuntuguide
[02:05] <ubotu> it has been said that ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[02:06] <sexcopter8000m> am trying that now
[02:06] <mpmc> OMG!
[02:06] <mpmc> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[02:06] <mpmc> See `config.log' for more details.
[02:06] <mpmc> :s
[02:06] <mpmc> tryting to make quanta
[02:07] <rob^> sexcopter8000m, the is two different ftp options on that window one for annon the other for logon ftp
[02:07] <Seveas> mpmc, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[02:07] <sexcopter8000m> yeah, well mine's a username/password job, so i chose logon
[02:07] <haven_> can somebody tell me what acpi is?
[02:07] <Seveas> mpmc, and quanta is in the repositories
[02:07] <rob^> yep
[02:07] <Seveas> do not compile it yourself...
[02:07] <apokryphos> Seveas: you didn't provide an explanatoin ;-)
[02:07] <apokryphos> *explanation
[02:07] <aio> haven_ it's power management
[02:07] <aio> haven_ you got a specific question?
[02:07] <Devil_Kin> hello all
[02:08] <sexcopter8000m> ok lol that seemed a bit muckered up
[02:08] <rob^> Seveas, did you get my email?
[02:08] <Devil_Kin> xterm screwes my bold font all of a sudden, any idea how i can fix that?
[02:08] <haven_> aio: I'm just wondering why I have to turn it off for Linux to operate properly on my compaq?
[02:08] <Seveas> rob^, yes
[02:08] <Seveas> reading it now
[02:08] <rob^> cool
[02:08] <aio> haven_ what behavior did you see that made you shut it off?
[02:08] <haven_> aio: If I don't my computer just keeps rebooting.
[02:09] <sexcopter8000m> basically it's a mate's server, and i log in as best i can, and find i'm in / on the server, try /home and i can see everyone's accounts?!
[02:09] <icewt> where can i change default applications for different file types?
[02:09] <mpmc> great!
[02:09] <sexcopter8000m> but can't get in them of course
[02:09] <mpmc> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[02:09] <aio> haven_ and i guess you don't want it to do that?
[02:09] <sexcopter8000m> not even mine :s
[02:09] <apokryphos> mpmc: need to get the X includes
[02:09] <sexcopter8000m> well, i'll stick to gftp =)
[02:09] <aio> haven_ maybe you've got acpi configured to emulate a windows machine
[02:09] <haven_> aio: It's kind of useless if the computer just reboots when it loads the kernel.
[02:09] <mpmc> how
[02:09] <mpmc> lol
[02:09] <mpmc> Sorry, I'm new to all this
[02:09] <apokryphos> mpmc: libx11-dev
[02:10] <calamari> how do I activate a hosts.allow change?
[02:10] <haven_> aio: I'm wondering if it's necessary. Linux runs fine without it.
[02:10] <aio> haven_ any indications on what part of acpi is causing the problem? have you looked in your /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages?
[02:10] <dkerr> hi- i am having trouble connecting to the X server on my ubuntu hoary box from the network. i keep getting the msg "Error: Can't open display: valkyrie:0". I have done xhost+ on valkyrie and naturally can display on the machine iself- this is my first ubuntu install, what am i missing?
[02:11] <aio> haven_ or /var/log/acpid?
[02:11] <haven_> aio: No idea. I could look in syslog and see what it says.
[02:11] <aio> haven_ is this a laptop?
[02:11] <haven_> aio: Nope. Desktop.
[02:11] <mpmc> checking for libz... configure: error: not found.
[02:11] <mpmc>           Possibly configure picks up an outdated version
[02:11] <mpmc>           installed by XFree86. Remove it from your system.
[02:11] <mpmc>           Check your installation and look into config.log
[02:11] <aio> haven_ oh - i don't know that I would even turn it back on for a desktop...
[02:11] <mpmc> :s
[02:11] <mpmc> translate?
[02:12] <aio> haven_ and by desktop, do you mean desktop or a server running on a desktop type computer?
[02:12] <sexcopter8000m> actually, when i invoked gftp in terminal, i did get this http://pastebin.com/311821
[02:12] <haven_> aio: I mean a big desktop.
[02:12] <mpmc> help please :)
[02:13] <Jowi> spanglesontoast and I are having troubles. anyone has managed to resize EXT3 partition with gparted!?
[02:13] <rob^> sexcopter8000m, intresting, but shouldnt hamper your gftp session
[02:13] <aio> haven_ ok - someone else may see the benefit, but I don't think there is much benefit for you.  I highly recommend running acpi on laptops.  desktops only if you're really nutty about power consumption and can't get the desired behavior through your window manager....
[02:13] <Geist|Patrick> i cant get write access to a folder
[02:13] <Geist|Patrick> why?
[02:13] <haven_> aio: Thank you.
[02:13] <Geist|Patrick> i cant figure out how to add a file
[02:13] <Geist|Patrick> :/
[02:13] <Seveas> mpmc, and quanta is in the repositories, do NOT compile it yourself <----
[02:14] <aio> Geist|Patrick ls -ld the directory
[02:14] <haven_> aio: Next question..... How can I set up interuser mail on my linux system?
[02:14] <aio> haven_ by interuser, do you mean using something like mozilla thunderbird? or are you meaning something else?
[02:14] <aio> oh
[02:14] <aio> between users on the same machine?
[02:15] <Geist|Patrick> ur command doesnt work...
[02:15] <Geist|Patrick> :/
[02:15] <haven_> I mean so me (haven@68-343-245-67) can send mail to (joe@68-343-245-67) without using Smtp.
[02:15] <aio> Geist|Patrick are you at a gnome-terminal?
[02:15] <Geist|Patrick> kde
[02:16] <aio> Geist|Patrick are you at a kde-console?
[02:16] <Geist|Patrick> ya
[02:16] <aio> and `ls -ld <directory name>` doesn't do anything for you?
[02:16] <haven_> aio: yes
[02:16] <benkong2> hello all how do I get sshd running on my new hoary install?
[02:17] <aio> haven_ yes to what?
[02:17] <embalmer> does anyone recommend using Webmin on Ubuntu?
[02:17] <Devil_Kin> any idea how i can fix the my xterm showing crap bold font? it works okay if i specify -fb fixed-bold, but how do i make this permanent?
[02:17] <Geist|Patrick> although i make copy and paste of the folders adress it complains
[02:17] <Geist|Patrick> folder xyz not found
[02:17] <haven_> aio: between users on the same machine.
[02:17] <aio> haven_ ummm....`mail` should automatically work the way you want.....
[02:17] <Geist|Patrick> ls -ds 'media:/hda2/usr/share/opera/locale'
[02:17] <aio> haven_ but i don't really like `mail`
[02:18] <bimberi> benkong2: install the "ssh" package
[02:18] <benkong2> bimberi, thanks
[02:18] <haven_> aio: What is 'mail'. Sorry I'm a newbie
[02:18] <aio> `mail` is just a terribly unusable local mail reader and sender.
[02:18] <calamari> hi
[02:19] <aio> haven_ you could try something like pine or mutt and see if that'll work
[02:19] <calamari> I've got nfs running, but I get RPC: Reote system error - Connection refused, when I try to mount it
[02:19] <aio> haven_ if you just send an email on a host to "user" without "@domain", i should send it to that user on localhost.
[02:19] <calamari> any ideas?
[02:19] <haven_> I'll give it a try aio.
[02:20] <haven_> Thanks.
[02:20] <aio> Geist|Patrick did you try running the command i gave: `ls -ld <directory>`?
[02:20] <bimberi> benkong2: (a delayed) yw :)
[02:20] <Geist|Patrick> ls -ds 'media:/hda2/usr/share/opera/locale' ???
[02:20] <Jowi> spanglesontoast and I are having troubles. anyone has managed to resize EXT3 partition with gparted!?
[02:20] <aio> Geist|Patrick try an 'l' instead of an 's' in your switch....
[02:21] <aio> Geist|Patrick are you trying to get a remote directory listing?
[02:21] <aio> Geist|Patrick is 'media' a remote machine?
[02:21] <Geist|Patrick> no,,,
[02:22] <Geist|Patrick> well how do i paste a file now?
[02:22] <aio> Geist|Patrick why do you have "media:" prepended to your ls path?
[02:22] <Geist|Patrick> i removed that media now
[02:22] <aio> Geist|Patrick in nautilus?
[02:22] <Geist|Patrick> nautilus?
[02:22] <embalmer> Any reason I should use Pine instead of Mutt?
[02:22] <mpmc> whats my hostname?
[02:22] <Geist|Patrick> i am using linux for a few days now
[02:22] <Geist|Patrick> i am a damnbed noob
[02:22] <anacron_> Geist|Patrick: nautilus is explorer-looking thing
[02:23] <aio> Geist|Patrick you should be able to just right click the file, copy, go to the directory to paste it into, right click and select paste
[02:23] <aio> embalmer i'd use mutt
[02:23] <bimberi> mpmc: type "hostname" in a terminal window :)
[02:23] <aio> embalmer i used mutt as my primary mua for over a year.  great threading support, very configurable, geek friendly
[02:24] <aio> embalmer pine didn't feel as robust or configurable.  maybe i just didn't take the time, though...
[02:24] <aio> Geist|Patrick so what happens when you try to paste a file?
[02:24] <sexcopter8000m> does anyone know mldonkey?
[02:24] <mpmc> It says mpmc.hn.org.
[02:24] <sexcopter8000m> i've installed it but can't see how to invoke it
[02:25] <mpmc> thats not my hostname. thats a DNS thing
[02:25] <Geist|Patrick> in the gui i lack of sufficiend rights
[02:25] <Geist|Patrick> and i cant write taht folder
[02:25] <Geist|Patrick> how do i that with console?
[02:26] <rainingzigzags> has anyone used crossover pro?
[02:26] <Geist|Patrick> i dont have gnome --> no nautilus
[02:26] <rob^> sexcopter8000m, have you tried typing the first few letters of it in a terminal, hiting tab and seeing what you get?
[02:27] <sexcopter8000m> hmmm, doesn't seem to work
[02:27] <sexcopter8000m> do you know mldonkey?
[02:27] <rob^> sexcopter8000m, hit tab twice in quick succession
[02:28] <Geist|Patrick> which command lets me move a file to a folder
[02:28] <rob^> Geist|Patrick, mv
[02:28] <sexcopter8000m> i can get mldonkey_ but hitting enter returns command not found
[02:29] <rob^> sexcopter8000m, hit tab twice, it will list all the apps that start with that
[02:29] <aio> Geist|Patrick if you right click on the folder you're trying to paste to, what do you see under the permissions tab?
[02:29] <sexcopter8000m> ahhhh
[02:29] <Geist|Patrick> i cant even modify permissions
[02:29] <aio> Geist|Patrick and in nautilus, you can "cut" a file, then paste it....
[02:29] <Will_> It still hurts me to use hjkl in vim to move about
[02:29] <Geist|Patrick> i have no nautilus
[02:30] <g0rd0n> hello!
[02:30] <mpmc> It's hot today aint it?
[02:30] <aio> Geist|Patrick ok - so what happens when you go to a gnome-terminal and type ls -ld <whatever directory>?
[02:30] <Geist|Patrick> as i said above...
[02:30] <aio> Will_ it still hurts me to use arrow keys in emacs :-)
[02:30] <Geist|Patrick> i neither have gnome, nor nautilus
[02:30] <sexcopter8000m> so it's mlgui i want :)
[02:30] <aio> oh
[02:30] <aio> sorry
[02:31] <rob^> sexcopter8000m, try it and see
[02:31] <Will_> aio: Good comeback. I still tend to use arrow keys in Insert mode, which I need to beat out of myself
[02:31] <aio> Geist|Patrick in kde-console
[02:31] <dkerr>  hi- i am having trouble connecting to the X server on my ubuntu hoary box from the network. i keep getting the msg "Error: Can't open display: valkyrie:0". I have done xhost+ on valkyrie and naturally can display on the machine iself- this is my first ubuntu install, what am i missing?
[02:31] <g0rd0n> i noticed that there are a number of packages in ubuntu hoary which have unfixed security issues... to name  a few: spamassassin, clamav, dhcpcd, godisapig, postfix-gld, ettercap... is this "normal"? what's the position of ubuntu on security? seems behind debian to me :(
[02:32] <Geist|Patrick> ya... aio
[02:32] <Geist|Patrick> kde
[02:32] <sexcopter8000m> no, i mean i tried it and it works :)
[02:32] <aio> Will_ only bad thing about vim is i'd like to try dvorak keyboard mappings....
[02:32] <rob^> sexcopter8000m, good stuff
[02:32] <aio> Geist|Patrick so what happens when you do that in a console window?
[02:32] <Will_> aio: There is a dotfile on it, I think. Lemme look for you
[02:32] <aio> Will_ i'd appreciate that.
[02:32] <rob^> g0rd0n, have you looked at unfixed security issues in debian?
[02:32] <sexcopter8000m> now just trying to work the programme
[02:32] <Geist|Patrick> mv <file> target <folder> ?
[02:32] <ben_underscore> dkerr: have you set the display to the correct number? valkyrie:0.0 for example
[02:33] <g0rd0n> rob^: is that an excuse?
[02:33] <aio> Geist|Patrick no - "ls -ld <directory>"
[02:33] <dkerr> ben_underscore: thanks, yes i've done that
[02:33] <aio> without the greater than less than
[02:33] <rob^> g0rd0n, what is your point?
[02:33] <Geist|Patrick> what should happen...
[02:33] <Will_> aio: http://www.dotfiles.com/files/9/394_.vimrc Has something. Having never used dvorak, I've not tested it, but I have a few friends who do, so I bookmarked it
[02:34] <black_Nightmare> any of you know the name of this author? had books like 'linux in a nutshell' and so on
[02:34] <ben_underscore> dkerr - any luck? you had valkyrie:0 before, not valkyrie:0.0
[02:34] <g0rd0n> rob^: my point is I'm a little worried :P i mean... if the security team doesnt fix vulnerable packages, be that in ubuntu or debian, how seriously can i consider the word "security" there
[02:34] <black_Nightmare> was like o'neiley or something like that
[02:34] <g0rd0n> i mean i wouldnt see the point of having a security team then
[02:34] <aio> Will_ although on slashdot yesterday, some folks pointed out that dvorak wasn't all it's cracked up to be.  one guy even mentioned getting a squishy ball relieved his rsi
[02:34] <Geist|Patrick> i dont know how to describe it with my ppoor english :(
[02:35] <rob^> g0rd0n, its a big job, no software is 100% secure
[02:35] <g0rd0n> i mean, stuff like spamassassin or clamav run on a lot of servers
[02:35] <kbrooks> I'm improving the java page on the wiki
[02:35] <aio> Geist|Patrick you could paste it to pastebin
[02:35] <black_Nightmare> g0rd0n...are houses 100% secure too?
[02:35] <dkerr> ben_underscore: no luck still - says "Error: Can't open display: valkyrie:0.0"
[02:35] <aio> Will_ but thx for the link - i'll look at it.
[02:35] <g0rd0n> black_Nightmare: i live in a cave =)
[02:35] <black_Nightmare> noone have any idea on authors?
[02:35] <dkerr> ben_underscore: iptables is accepting all connections.
[02:35] <rob^> g0rd0n, well then rather then bitch about it why not help them instead?
[02:35] <Will_> aio: I saw that one. I've been using a keyboard for 18 hours plus a day some days for the last 7 years, and my 'floating rogue' style of typing seems to keep me sane and painfree
[02:36] <ben_underscore> speaking of oreielly, have you seen this http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/
[02:36] <g0rd0n> rob^: i can do no more than reporting stuff, i'm no coder
[02:36] <aio> Will_ every once in a while, i get a little extended twinge of pain...nothing too bad though...maybe i just need a squishy ball.
[02:37] <black_Nightmare> oh finally there we are.. 18 hits for o'reilly
[02:37] <aio> Will_ too bad i'm a python goob.  that post said he played with the squishy while he compiled :-)
[02:37] <black_Nightmare> duh ty
[02:37] <Will_> Stronger hands are a useful thing.
[02:37] <Will_> aio: I'm currently making my .vimrc more java friendly...*wince* University has downsides
[02:37] <kbrooks> OK
[02:37] <rob^> g0rd0n, right, so dont complain when you are getting it free.
[02:37] <Geist|Patrick> what should i paste
[02:38] <Geist|Patrick> i get >
[02:38] <Will_> The :make on a java helloworld takes _far_ too long. I might experiment with jikes
[02:38] <black_Nightmare> hm heh 'windows 98 in a nutshell' ... I wonder what kind of pages that has :p
[02:38] <roodmerk> arrrrrgh!
[02:38] <Geist|Patrick> and i cant give comands anymore
[02:39] <Jowi> Geist|Patrick, ctrl+c
[02:39] <ubuntu> tes
[02:39] <g0rd0n> rob^: well sorry, i just thought that a "stable" release ought to be secure...
[02:39] <Geist|Patrick> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/519
[02:39] <ubuntu> ubuntu ist ein nooblinux
[02:40] <Jowi> Geist|Patrick, it is that last ' that does it
[02:40] <kbrooks> I have made the Java page better
[02:40] <aio> ubuntu it's noob friendly, but i've been using linux for over 6 years now and love it.
[02:40] <rob^> so, windows xp is a "stable" release.. it ought to be secure by your reasoning
[02:40] <kbrooks> it is not
[02:41] <rob^> exactly
[02:41] <Jowi> Geist|Patrick, ctrl+c will get you out of >
[02:41] <cafuego> rob^: That assumes Microsoft are interested in marketing "stable" software.
[02:41] <kbrooks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java?action=show
[02:41] <g0rd0n> well, it is no less than linux then
[02:41] <Geist|Patrick> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/520
[02:41] <rob^> cafuego, yes but that is another debate :P
[02:42] <cafuego> rob^: Comparing Linux stable versus a commercial OS release is like comparing apples and pears; they're intended for different things (no matter what the marketing department says)
[02:42] <kbrooks> Any comments on the Java page?
[02:43] <aio> Geist|Patrick try: `ls -ld /hda2/usr/share/opera/local'
[02:43] <aio> Geist|Patrick although that looks strange
[02:43] <kbrooks> I dwindled the methods down to 3
[02:43] <aio> Geist|Patrick you probably just want "/usr/share/opera/local"
[02:43] <rob^> cafuego, I am keeping it simple here
[02:44] <kbrooks> *Any* comments on the Java page would be appreciated
[02:44] <cafuego> rob^: As in: Anything more complex than hello_world.c has bugs.
[02:44] <kbrooks> !java
[02:44] <ubotu> hmm... java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[02:44] <aaron-c> hi all
[02:44] <cafuego> kbrooks: Seemed to get me sorted this afternoon, thugh note it has no amd64 port (for breezy anyway).
[02:44] <aaron-c> anyone spare a few minutes/hours to help a noob
[02:44] <Geist|Patrick> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/521
[02:44] <cafuego> and make-kpkg on amd64 is busted
[02:45] <cafuego> make-jpkg even
[02:45] <benkong2> where is ddclient in the ubuntu repositories synaptic doesn't show it?
[02:45] <rob^> cafuego, I think your missing the point
[02:45] <g0rd0n> cafuego: yeh but if those bugs are security issues they ought to be fixed, in my opinion
[02:45] <cafuego> And even after fixing make-jpkg, java sig11s
[02:45] <cafuego> g0rd0n: In Linux they are.
[02:45] <cafuego> g0rd0n: Well, _most_ distributions anyway
[02:46] <Seveas> cafuego, there are no java packages for amd64
[02:46] <g0rd0n> cafuego: really, so why for example did debian fix spamassassin on july 1st (with delay because of problems in the security team) while ubunut has no fix yet?
[02:46] <Seveas> no sun java packages at least
[02:46] <cafuego> Seveas: You are mistaken.
[02:46] <Seveas> cafuego, enlighten me
[02:46] <cafuego> Seveas: Sun jave a jre1.5_04 for amd64
[02:46] <kbrooks> g0rd0n, because hoary is frozen
[02:47] <kbrooks> g0rd0n, warty too
[02:47] <g0rd0n> the spamassassin package itself was fixed on june 8th
[02:47] <kbrooks> g0rd0n, security fixes are allowed in
[02:47] <cafuego> g0rd0n: Maybe nobody offered to fix it? Why didn't you uplod a patch?
[02:47] <g0rd0n> well it's nice hoary is frozen, but thats what the security archives should be for, right?
[02:47] <rob^> cafuego, my point.
[02:47] <mouse_> hi all
[02:47] <kbrooks> g0rd0n, security fixes are allowed in
[02:47] <kbrooks> g0rd0n, security fixes are allowed in
[02:47] <guruff> hello :
[02:47] <guruff> :)
[02:47] <mouse_> does anyone advise on using firestarter?
[02:47] <kbrooks> no new features or new programs
[02:48] <Seveas> cafuego, i stand corrected
[02:48] <mouse_> hihi :)
[02:48] <rob^> mouse_, yes
[02:48] <kbrooks> mouse_, NOT me
[02:48] <rob^> mouse_, its ok for a simple desktop setup
[02:48] <mouse_> hmm... i have 1 against 1 for
[02:48] <cafuego> Seveas: It doesn't have a mozilla plugin, though.
[02:48] <kbrooks> rob^, firestarter is too rudimentary
[02:48] <guruff> mouse_: what would you like to know ? i have been using it for a while ?
[02:48] <Seveas> mouse_, yes, if you need a firewalling solution and do not (want to) understand the intricacies of iptables: firestarter is the way to go
[02:48] <rob^> kbrooks, yes, but if all you want to do is firewall a desktop system then its all you need
[02:48] <cafuego> !simple firewall
[02:49] <g0rd0n> cafuego: i thought ubuntu had a security team that is supposed to fix such things, shouldnt depend on me... i have not the right knowledge :P
[02:49] <Jowi> mouse_, i surely use it. works great. even with understanding of iptables
[02:49] <guruff> mouse_: what 1 against ?
[02:49] <mouse_> erm... are red msges private ones?
[02:49] <Seveas> g0rd0n, what was the bug?
[02:49] <Seveas> it might not have affected the ubuntu packages
[02:49] <guruff> mouse_: ? say what ?
[02:49] <Seveas> mouse_, no
[02:49] <mouse_> oic, okok
[02:50] <Seveas> mouse_, messages that contain your nickname are probably colored red by your IRC client
[02:50] <cafuego> g0rd0n: Nobody is stopping you from learning how to fix the software. At the end of the day ubuntu is free software, in all meanings of the word. Nobody is forced to use it if they don't want to, and ANYONE can contribute chnages/fixes/ideas.
[02:50] <mouse_> hmm... i'm quite new, cos i would like to have a firewall that doesn't need to much work on
[02:50] <cafuego> g0rd0n: Just compaing that "someone" isn't doing things you want done isn't very productive.
[02:50] <rob^> mouse_, just use firestarter
[02:50] <mouse_> i guess firestarter should be sufficient
[02:50] <bob2> mouse_: if you don't have special needs, you don't need a firewall at all
[02:50] <apokryphos> cafuego: Hey. I understand you have control over ubotu (I think it would be cool to have a Wiki entry on him too). Though, I was wondering, any chance you could add him to #kubuntu channel too?
[02:51] <mouse_> rob^, yeah .. thanks
[02:51] <mouse_> bob2, oh?
[02:51] <cafuego> apokryphos: If the ops there want 'im, sure.
[02:51] <g0rd0n> cafuego: i just wanted to know how the security team works... but i guess it doesnt as i thought :P sure i will be glad to help when i feel i can do so
[02:51] <bob2> mouse_: if you're not directly on the internet, or not running any daemons, there's nothing for a firewall to do
[02:51] <aaron-c> i need a bit of help with samba
[02:52] <cafuego> g0rd0n: Well, I imagine most have jobs to pay the rent etc.
[02:52] <mouse_> bob2, ah i guess i'll need one then  :)
[02:52] <rob^> mouse_, I use firestarter to share my internet connection, I'm to lazy to set it up manually
[02:52] <runeb_> How can I use python-imaging (PIL) in python 2.3.5 ? I can only see PIL for python2.4 in synaptic.
[02:52] <Jowi> aaron-c, go on
[02:52] <rob^> tick on tick off :)
[02:52] <g0rd0n> cafuego: sure, thats more important
[02:53] <mouse_> lol.. yeah.. that's the convenience i'd like
[02:53] <aaron-c> ihave installed it, just cant remember to activate user accounts for it
[02:53] <aaron-c> and how to control what users can access
[02:53] <bob2> runeb_: python2.3-imaging, just like for 2.4
[02:54] <Seveas> aaron-c, smbpasswd
[02:54] <g0rd0n> cafuego: i just hope my server won't get fucked, or I'll probably regret moving from woody to hoary hehe
[02:54] <Seveas> and /etc/samba/smb.conf
[02:54] <cafuego> g0rd0n: Mine are all on Sarge. ubuntu is fine for the desktop, but ...
[02:54] <aaron-c> cheers dude, i have done it all before but that was months ago and i have forgotten it all lol
[02:54] <g0rd0n> cafuego: but...?
[02:55] <rob^> cafuego, mine are on solaris, but yes I agree
[02:55] <cafuego> g0rd0n: I don't think ubuntu has been around for long enough to risk my servers :-)
[02:56] <runeb_> bob2: I can't see it in synaptic, only python2.4-imaging and python-imaging that seems to be the same package.
[02:56] <cafuego> Besides, debian ain't broken, so why should I fix it?
[02:56] <g0rd0n> cafuego: heh, thats a good point
[02:56] <g0rd0n> i prolly fell in love too quickly with ubuntu :P
[02:56] <bob2> runeb_: well, ok, but python2.3-imaging is in hoary and is the package you want
[02:56] <bob2> runeb_: perhaps you don't have universe enabled
[02:57] <phenomeno> how do you remove a file with a command?
[02:57] <kbrooks> bob2, what do you think about the new and streamlined java wiki page?
[02:57] <runeb_> bob2: Ok, I will check my repos.
[02:57] <cafuego> g0rd0n: I guess if you have a concern, you can always install the debian sarge package.
[02:57] <cafuego> g0rd0n: .. or backport it.
[02:58] <kbrooks> backport! nooooooooooooo
[02:58] <bob2> kbrooks: it doesn't seem ver streamlined
[02:58] <bob2> kbrooks: there's still 3 options, and the first is not the best
[02:58] <phenomeno> how do you remove a file with a command?
[02:58] <bob2> phenomeno: rm filename
[02:59] <phenomeno> thanx
[02:59] <mouse_> have anyone tried ip-ezupdate?
[02:59] <mouse_> i mean ez-ipupdate
[02:59] <phenomeno> hmm how do you remove a map?
[02:59] <bob2> what's a "map"?
[02:59] <rob^> kbrooks, I used method 2 in the faq
[02:59] <rob^> with a few changes
[03:00] <cafuego> bob2: a folder?
[03:00] <phenomeno> yes a folder :)
[03:00] <bob2> rmdir foldername
[03:00] <phenomeno> oke thanx again :)
[03:00] <bob2> assuming it's empty
[03:01] <kbrooks> ok, so  what should I change, bob2?
[03:01] <phenomeno> but it isn't empty bob2
[03:01] <runeb_> bob2: Thanks, found PIL2.3 in universe. I just thought I shold keep myself to main for this new server installation, but we're running zope and thus needs python2.3
[03:01] <bob2> pick one method.  I'd suggest option #2.  put it at the top.  put the others at the bottom, as "alternatives" or something
[03:02] <bob2> documenting 3 different ways to do it is stupid
[03:02] <kbrooks> bob2, OK. Thanks
[03:02] <bob2> phenomeno: then empty it first
[03:02] <bob2> phenomeno: or 'rm -r foldername', if you're very very very sure
[03:02] <phenomeno> i'm very very very sure
[03:02] <Jowi> phenomeno, rm -r myfolder (will remove folder and contents but ask for every single file). rm -rf myfolder (will remove the folder +everything without question = DANGEROUS)
[03:02] <bob2> runeb_: meh, zope3 + python2.4 is love
[03:03] <phenomeno> thank you
[03:03] <nasky> top
[03:03] <nasky> hi
[03:03] <Jowi> ni nasky
[03:04] <mr-russ> where can I get a list of ubuntu packages?
[03:04] <runeb_> bob2: I don't know if I can port my old zope2 app to zope3. But zope3 will be explored for future projects of course
[03:04] <nasky> excuse me. I'm french and i've just installed Ubuntu but the sound doesn't work...
[03:04] <nasky> I thought it was juste about mp3 but actually I don't hear any sound at the start
[03:04] <nasky> my sound card is Sound Blaster 16
[03:05] <nasky> does this card supported by Ubuntu ?
[03:05] <nasky> I hope so because Mandriva does ...
[03:05] <bob2> runeb_: ah, ok
[03:06] <bob2> mr-russ: I put the list up, but it's not actually useful: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rweir/ubuntu_packages_powerpc.txt
[03:07] <Jowi> nasky, il y a un #ubuntu-fr si tu veux parle francaise. it should be supported. have you tried to unmute all the channels?
[03:07] <nasky> ok, I've just found a topic on a forum. I have to add "sb" to /etc/modules
[03:07] <bob2> that's probably not enough
[03:07] <nasky> Jowi, j'en profite pour m'entrainer en anglais :p
[03:07] <bob2> assuming it's ISA
[03:08] <beerockxs> anyone know what might cause eog to always crash when starting it?
[03:08] <nasky> bob2, I've seen someone who just added "sb" and it works
[03:08] <Jowi> nasky, je suis dbutant en francaise. donc je besoin m'entrainer aussi! haha
[03:08] <bob2> amazing
[03:08] <Jowi> nasky, try modprobe sb
[03:08] <bob2> this is kinda obviously not a french-speaking channel...
[03:08] <beerockxs> eog being eye of gnome
[03:09] <rob^> surely I'm not that tired..
[03:09] <kbrooks> #ubuntu-fr pllease
[03:09] <nikkia> erm, 'sb' would be OSS, you don't want to be using OSS :)
[03:09] <Jowi> kbrooks, rob^, he knows about it
[03:09] <H0lyD4wg> It's been three days since I started trying to get midi working and it still doesn't. even when fluidsynth is running pmidi -l lists no available ports. and i can't get fluidsynth to run without killing esd first.
[03:09] <nikkia> you want to add 'snd-sb16' and some other stuff
[03:09] <rob^> yeah.. just kidding around
[03:09] <bob2> I thought everyone just used timidity these days
[03:10] <dylan_> can i get LimeWire over synaptic?
[03:10] <kbrooks> bob2, thanks for the suggestion. The page is streamlined/improved now.
[03:11] <bob2> bear in mind that's just what I think, in terms of not-being-annoying
[03:11] <dkerr> ben_underscore: sorted- there's a tickbox in the security tab of gdmsetup - "Always disallow TCP connections to X server" which was ticked by default. ta.
[03:11] <kbrooks> well, I was inclined to agree because adding a third party repo sucks
[03:11] <bob2> I more meant moving the entire text for the other options to the bottom, as their own h1
[03:12] <kbrooks> to the *bottom*?
[03:12] <bob2> wtf, make-jpkg is in multiverse
[03:12] <kbrooks> it is
[03:13] <Will_> I think bob2 has a point. There should be 1 'good' way to do things, that 95% of the world will want to use. Anybody else can keep reading
[03:13] <dylan_> thanks, bob2 ive been looking FOR AT LEAST 4 HOURS to find make-jpkg
[03:13] <bob2> yes
[03:13] <Jowi> nasky, you could check that the soundcard is not already detected by typing: cat /proc/modules | grep snd
[03:13] <kbrooks> okay
[03:14] <NoHope> hi all
[03:14] <apokryphos> bob2: any idea how this error could be resolved: http://pastebin.com/311856 ?
[03:14] <Jowi> hi NoHope
[03:15] <makinen> I have a custom built kernel and installed latest NVIDIA drivers, but when I try to start X the screen goes blank. Any suggestions?
[03:15] <dylan_> ok oops make-jpkg is not in multiverse how can i get it?
[03:15] <bob2> the obvious suggestion would be "don't do that", but I assume you have a compelling reason to not use the ubuntu stuff
[03:15] <apokryphos> bob2: yes
[03:15] <rob^> makinen, is your xorg.conf ok?
[03:15] <NoHope> hey, I liked so much Ubuntu, but I still thinking it's not for advanced users... well, my main problem now is... if I try to kill X (Ctrl+Alt+Backspace) it returns again... how to force it to be in text mode?
[03:15] <bob2> apokryphos: please tell me you're not using breezy
[03:16] <apokryphos> bob2: not on this computer ;-)
[03:16] <bob2> NoHope: er, it's like that on every other OS in the world that uses a display manager.
[03:16] <rob^> NoHope, use telinit
[03:16] <bob2> NoHope: if you really need to stop it (and not for a silly reason like installing nvidia drivers), "sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop"
[03:16] <Vampire> I would like to download the first public release of Ubuntu (4.10 - Warty Harthog) .. but all there is to order/download is the latest version... are there any mirrors or is there a secret url to order the Warthy version???? please anyone??
[03:16] <Jowi> NoHope, it is meant to restart if it gets killed. if you do not want X to start at boot you would like to telinit
[03:16] <bob2> telinit is using some sort of blackhole-powered bomb to crack a walnut
[03:17] <dkerr> NoHope: try using a text console Ctrl+Alt+F1 to Ctrl+Alt+F6 Ctrl+Alt+F7 is the X screen
[03:17] <nasky> sorry I had to leave
[03:17] <rob^> bob2, yea, but it works :)
[03:17] <apokryphos> bob2: had that error for ages. Filed a bug report, posted on LinuxQuestions etc etc no luck. Most indication I heard seemed to imply that there were conflicting X glib packages or something
[03:17] <CarinArr> in linux, is there any way to limit the bandwidth usage by specific applications? i mean, say i'm downloading a file, it will always download it at the aboslute maximum speed it can, resulting in my ssh etc lagging like mad
[03:17] <NoHope> dkerr, yap it worked. but I saw it's not possible to kill X (I like to edit xorg.conf, and I need to kill it every time).
[03:17] <bob2> apokryphos: how does this system diverge from a default install?
[03:17] <beerockxs> CarinArr: google for wondershaper
[03:17] <Vampire> ---help someone??
[03:17] <CarinArr> cool
[03:17] <cafuego> Jowi: telinit doesn't affect X on debian-like distros; as the dm gets started in init regardless.
[03:17] <CarinArr> ta
[03:17] <bob2> Vampire: why do you want warty?
[03:17] <apokryphos> bob2: it doesn't at all
[03:18] <Vampire> --- I would like to download the first public release of Ubuntu (4.10 - Warty Harthog) .. but all there is to order/download is the latest version... are there any mirrors or is there a secret url to order the Warthy version???? please anyone??
[03:18] <dylan_> how do i get make-jpkg?
[03:18] <bob2> Vampire: and http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/
[03:18] <cafuego> dylan_: install 'java-package'
[03:18] <apokryphos> bob2: it's a fresh one. Though I had this same problem on a previous system
[03:18] <NoHope> bob2, Jowi, rob^, what is telinit?
[03:18] <nasky> Jowi, there is nothing with cat /proc/modules | grep snd
[03:18] <dylan_> ok thanks cafuego
[03:18] <bob2> Vampire: which is exactly the same place as hoary
[03:18] <Jowi> cafuego, ooops
[03:18] <Vampire> apokryphos: to check it out, i really would like it
[03:18] <makinen> rob^: should be: http://iki.fi/anmakin/xorg.conf.ubuntu
[03:18] <Vampire> bob2: thanks a lot
[03:18] <bob2> NoHope: man teliint, it switches your runlevel
[03:18] <oz_> hi all - are there any java-gnome guys here?
[03:18] <NoHope> bob2... ah...
[03:18] <apokryphos> Vampire: like what?
[03:18] <NoHope> bob2, and I can't understand that rc*.d. Is there a manual page?
[03:18] <Vampire> apokryphos: to see how Ubuntu evolved
[03:19] <dylan_> thanks everybody
[03:19] <bob2> NoHope: /usr/share/doc/sysvrc/, iirc
[03:19] <cafuego> NoHope: asier solution: install and run 'rcconf'.
[03:19] <apokryphos> Vampire: erm, ok...
[03:19] <NoHope> bob2, sorry... my bad english...
[03:19] <NoHope> bob2. Ahn... thx.
[03:19] <NoHope> cafuego, thk you.
[03:19] <Vampire> bob2: there isn't a url to order Warty is there? if not downloading will do...
[03:20] <aio> how do i change my default applications for things like multimedia?
[03:20] <bob2> Vampire: not for free from canonical;  it's pretty obsolete now
[03:20] <aio> the preferred applications setup only have terminal, email, and web browser
[03:20] <rob^> makinen, did you compile your own kernel? why not just use one of the ubuntu ones?
[03:20] <Jowi> nasky, you should have a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum/hardware/OldSoundCard?highlight=%28sb16%29
[03:21] <Vampire> bob2: ok, i'll download it then :) 10x for ur help, greatly appreciated ... i hope Ubuntu gets more famous and Microsoft won't even be heard of soon ;)
[03:21] <apokryphos> bob2: aha, found the log. Yeah, someone said it was "The problem seems to be that libGL is incompatible with X.org"
[03:21] <bob2> apokryphos: so where did your libGL come from then?
[03:21] <makinen> rob^: because there were no drivers for my DVB card in the ubuntu's kernels
[03:21] <rob^> oh ok
[03:21] <Jowi> nasky, you would "probably" need 'modprobe snd-sb16'
[03:21] <apokryphos> bob2: all from Ubuntu, as I said. This is a fresh installation
[03:21] <bob2> apokryphos: I'd be very surprised if you had a stock ubuntu system; everyone should see it if you did.
[03:22] <rob^> makinen, did you do it the debian way?
[03:22] <NoHope> Does apt-get use debian network?
[03:22] <bob2> NoHope: no
[03:22] <apokryphos> bob2: the exact same problem occured on others. There's probably two or so (very small) compiled programs, everything else is pure Ubuntu repositories. Others have had this problem too, by the way.
[03:22] <nasky> Jowi, I have tried "modeprobe sb" as you said and i'm waitinf for... If it doesn't work i'll try snd-sb16
[03:22] <NoHope> bob2, ah... because I saw there is a lot of packages. And the existensions are .deb
[03:23] <bob2> apokryphos: no binary drivers at all?
[03:23] <bimberi> aio: In nautilus, right click the file, select properties and change the setting on the "Open With" tab
[03:23] <bob2> NoHope: yes, they are similar, but ubuntu rebuilds all packages.  do not point apt on an ubuntu system at debian apt sources.
[03:23] <makinen> rob^: sure with make-kpkg. After that I installed the latest NVIDIA drivers from nvidia.com
[03:23] <apokryphos> bob2: absolutely none, guaranteed; all from ubuntu repos for my nvidia
[03:23] <Jowi> nasky, i made a mistake. modprobe sb will probably not work. ctrl+c and modprobe snd-sb16 instead.
[03:23] <rob^> makinen, is there any other problems apart from that one?
[03:23] <bob2> apokryphos: so you do have nvidia binary drivers or not?
[03:23] <kbrooks> *cough cough*
[03:23] <kbrooks> lol.
[03:24] <kbrooks> ill bbl
[03:24] <apokryphos> bob2: oh, right -- the ones from the repositories, yes.
[03:24] <apokryphos> (sorry, I thought you meant their actual ones)
[03:24] <nasky> Jowi, ctrl-c doesn't stop anything :/ But i read on net about someone who tried with "sb" and it worked better than "snd-sb16" so... I don't know. I'll try now snd-sb16
[03:25] <makinen> rob^: not that I know of
[03:25] <aio> bimberi thx - that was easy :-)
[03:25] <rob^> makinen, you could have just installed build-essential and linux-headers and compiled a module for your device for a stock ubuntu kernel
[03:25] <SirJinX> Hi, what's the default password for root on ubuntu?
[03:25] <bimberi> aio: yw :)
[03:25] <bob2> SirJinX: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[03:25] <Vampire> hi, sorry to join again, but in total.. there are/were 2 public releases, right?
[03:25] <bob2> SirJinX: the faq points you at that, as does one of the final stages of the installer
[03:25] <bob2> Vampire: yes
[03:25] <apokryphos> bob2: so.. any ideas? :)
[03:26] <Vampire> bob2: Warty, and the one at the moment right?
[03:26] <bob2> apokryphos: not using the binary drivers
[03:26] <bob2> and see if it works
[03:26] <rob^> makinen, it would probably work better
[03:26] <SirJinX> bob2: well I have a hard time finding that faq...
[03:26] <rob^> makinen, you could give me a tail of your dmesg (pastebin)
[03:26] <Vampire> SirJinX: lazy :P
[03:26] <bob2> SirJinX: google for "ubuntu faq"
[03:26] <Vampire> bob2: Warty, and the one at the moment right?
[03:26] <apokryphos> bob2: alrighty. Essentially I'd just have to switch nvidia to, say, nv (which also works) would be enough?
[03:26] <mr-russ> why doesn't ubuntu use CAcert certificates?
[03:27] <bob2> Vampire: and hoary, yes
[03:27] <bob2> apokryphos: no, purging nvidia-glx
[03:27] <CarinArr> beerockxs, thanks, that worked like a charm
[03:27] <Vampire> bob2: 10x a lot.. bye for now ;)
[03:27] <apokryphos> bob2: ok, thanks. Will do that now.
[03:27] <phanter> how can I change the names of the drives in the Gnome menu Places->Computer
[03:27] <bob2> you probably don't even need to log out; just purge it and try the build again
[03:28] <apokryphos> alright, cool
[03:30] <cafuego> phanter: Via the udev config files and much pain, I expect.
[03:30] <makinen> rob^: http://pastebin.com/311866
[03:32] <beerockxs> CarinArr: you're welcome
[03:32] <cafuego> Awright, off to bed.
[03:33] <apokryphos> bye
[03:36] <dylan_> sorry but i have to ask this one last time of nalioths_dog:  how do i install java via the .bin file?  sorry and thanks in advance
[03:36] <kbrooks> dylan_, read
[03:36] <kbrooks> !java
[03:36] <ubotu> I guess java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[03:37] <kbrooks> you want method 3
[03:37] <othernoob> how can i force that everything that is sent to my printer is black/white even if the source is colour?
[03:38] <dylan_> ok
[03:38] <dylan_> bye!  thakns
[03:38] <dylan_> thanks*
[03:38] <kbrooks> ;)
[03:39] <Geist|Patrick> hi
[03:39] <Geist|Patrick> i have to install a java jre...
[03:40] <othernoob> kbrooks, would you happen to have an idea, why my b/w laser printer will not print a pdf with a tiny little bit of colour in it?
[03:40] <Geist|Patrick> which file should i choose?
[03:40] <othernoob> the j2re1.5
[03:40] <rob^> makinen, well it doesnt appear that xorg is crashing
[03:40] <othernoob> or whatever it's called..
[03:40] <Geist|Patrick> Linux Platform - J2SE(TM) Runtime Environment 5.0 Update 4?
[03:40] <othernoob> yes
[03:41] <othernoob> or just get it via apt
[03:41] <Geist|Patrick> nice...
[03:41] <othernoob> if you have it in your sources.list
[03:41] <Geist|Patrick> which entry must be there?
[03:41] <kbrooks> othernoob, no
[03:41] <rob^> makinen, its a bit of a sticky one with a custom kernel its hard to diagnose the problem without sitting at the pc
[03:42] <hmrocha> Hello
[03:42] <hmrocha> I'm having a real trouble with ubuntu
[03:42] <rob^> anyone else want to add?
[03:42] <othernoob> Geist|Patrick: some mirror from this site http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java-linux-d2.html would be nice
[03:42] <hmrocha> Sometimes, when I'm using firefox to access some websites, X crashes.
[03:42] <hmrocha> I have to ssh into this machine and restart the X server.
[03:42] <hmrocha> It's really irritating.
[03:42] <hmrocha> How can I fix this?
[03:42] <avalost> hmrocha: I'll bet
[03:42] <avalost> that doesn't sound good
[03:43] <hmrocha> It only happens when I use firefox to access some websites.
[03:43] <avalost> hmm, have you tried other browsers on the same sites?
[03:44] <hmrocha> I tried epiphany, X crashes too.
[03:44] <hmrocha> Maybe it's a gecko problem.
[03:44] <hmrocha> I really don't want to install fedora on this machine.
[03:44] <kbrooks> Don't.
[03:44] <chrissturm> guys, after installing phppgadmin, how do i access it?
[03:44] <makinen> rob^: Sure it is. :/  Would you happen to know if 2.6.12 kernel has been backported to hoary?
[03:44] <hmrocha> I really like ubuntu, and I don't have this problem at home.
[03:45] <runeb_> hmrocha: Disable all plugins and try again
[03:45] <hmrocha> runeb_, i don't have plugins in firefox
[03:45] <hmrocha> runeb_, only flash
[03:45] <hmrocha> (using hoary btw)
[03:45] <runeb_> hmrocha: What does about:plugins say ?
[03:45] <othernoob> makinen: afaik no
[03:46] <avalost> what sites make you crash?
[03:46] <rob^> makinen, I dont think it has been no
[03:46] <hmrocha> http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/
[03:46] <rob^> apt-cache shows nothing
[03:46] <sJaM> chrissturm, perhaps by entering in your browers by localhost/phppgadmin
[03:46] <hmrocha> application/x-shockwave-flash 	Shockwave Flash 	swf 	Yes
[03:46] <hmrocha> application/futuresplash 	FutureSplash Player 	spl 	Yes
[03:46] <hmrocha> runeb_, only these two
[03:47] <chrissturm> sJaM, perhaps
[03:47] <runeb_> hmrocha: And it crash when you visit faqs.org ?
[03:47] <chrissturm> if that worked i wouldnt have asked
[03:48] <hmrocha> No, when I click some links, but it's a little random the behaviour
[03:48] <hmrocha> Sometimes it crashes, sometimes it doesn't
[03:48] <sJaM> well it works with phpmyadmin
[03:48] <hmrocha> runeb_, I'll delete all the firefox directory
[03:48] <kbrooks> hmrocha, No.
[03:48] <hmrocha> kbrooks, ok
[03:49] <kbrooks> hmrocha, Reinstall firefox
[03:49] <hmrocha> I supposed it was because i'm using two monitors, but i tried with just one monitor and it happens too.
[03:50] <kbrooks> hmrocha, dont blame it on hardware initally pls
[03:50] <Will_> I should really setup xinerama. I've a second videocard doing nothing in this box
[03:50] <makinen> ok, have to use the nv driver for now unless I find out something
[03:50] <sJaM> chrissturm, did you do a ls /var/www then
[03:50] <sJaM> to see the possible options
[03:50] <hmrocha> Will_, i'm using two monitors with just one graphics card
[03:51] <chrissturm> the phppgadmin doc say it should run on /phppgadmin. but it doesnt
[03:51] <hmrocha> kbrooks, i'll install firefox again
[03:51] <sJaM> what does ls /var/www
[03:51] <sJaM> gives
[03:51] <sJaM> then
[03:52] <runeb_> hmrocha: But it happens also in epiphany
[03:53] <nasky> I've typed "modprobe snd-sb16" for 20 minutes... and nothing happens. It's a long time, ain't it ???
[03:53] <runeb_> Re-install both
[03:54] <hmrocha> runeb_, i don't use epiphany, i just installed to see if it was a firefox problem, since it wasn't, i removed it
[03:55] <sJaM> chrissturm, how did you install it then, by apt-get install phpgpadmin ?
[03:55] <phanter> nasky, yes that is a (to) long time
[03:56] <uber_newber> im trying to install my lyknsis wireless b network adapter, and sum1 told mei needed this driver thing called at76c503, so i downloaded it but what do i do now?
[03:56] <runeb_> hmrocha: If that do not work try downloading from: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.0.4/
[03:56] <kungkang> hey guys, i recently built a 2.6.12.2 kernel so that i could use the latest inotify (so i can use beagle) but when i boot the kernel it ignores mounting my ext3 /home partition (which is on a separate harddrive). the device is correctly identified as /dev/hdb. what could be the cause of this?
[03:57] <kungkang> mount gives an error saying that the filesystem is already mounted when i try to do it manually, but when i try to umount it it says that it is not mounted.
[03:58] <nasky> phanter, what could be the problem ??
[03:58] <uber_newber> can ne1 help me out?
[03:59] <pluffsy> hello
[03:59] <uber_newber> hi
[03:59] <rob^> night all
[04:00] <sJaM> nice weather at my place
[04:00] <nasky> :) here it's 15h00 :)
[04:00] <nasky> 3 pm :)
[04:00] <sJaM> 4 pm
[04:00] <nasky> 4 yes ;)
[04:00] <uber_newber> 10:00 in da morning
[04:00] <kbrooks> sane
[04:00] <kbrooks> same
[04:00] <kbrooks> uber_newber, ask
[04:01] <uber_newber> ask what?
[04:01] <kbrooks> a question
[04:01] <uber_newber> im trying to install my lyknsis wireless b network adapter, and sum1 told mei needed this driver thing called at76c503, so i downloaded it but what do i do now?
[04:01] <uber_newber> :)
[04:01] <pluffsy> I have been testing ubuntu a little on my mac. But now I need to install ubuntu on a few years old X86-computer. I have almost none experience with x86. How hard will it be to get ubuntu running? Is it difficult to get the install cd to boot or do I just press a key like on the mac? Will the install cd create a boot loader and such for the installed version for me? Are there anything special I should worry about?
[04:01] <kbrooks> uber_newber, dont dl. try modprobing the specific driver
[04:01] <kbrooks> uber_newber, as a test
[04:02] <uber_newber> ya, orob is im a newb, can u tell me how to do that
[04:02] <bigfoot1> hello all, a quick question: how can i change the default application associated with a file extension?
[04:02] <sobersabre> helloyo, does anybody know how to import a certificate into evolution ?
[04:02] <uber_newber> *prob
[04:02] <kbrooks> applications > system tools
[04:02] <uber_newber> then what
[04:02] <kbrooks> then terminal
[04:02] <uber_newber> k
[04:02] <runeb_> pluffsy: We run Ubuntu on Mac. I remember we spent some time figuring out which key to press for it to boot. Otherwise it was straight forward
[04:03] <kbrooks> sudo modprobe at76c503
[04:03] <kbrooks> type your user password
[04:03] <pluffsy> runeb: but I have the opposite problem. I AM a mac user and now I'm going to install ubuntu on x86 ("PC")
[04:04] <kbrooks> paste the output, including the command typed, onto the pastebin
[04:04] <bigfoot1> Hello:In nautilus, how can one change the default application associated with each file extension?
[04:04] <runeb_> pluffsy: It is easy. Just make sure the bios is set to boot from the media yoiu aer using.
[04:04] <uber_newber> says sumthin like FAtal MODPROBE NOT FOUND
[04:04] <kbrooks> uber_newber, are you sure? show me the output
[04:05] <pluffsy> runeb: erm... not sure how to access bios. but sounds good it's easy
[04:05] <mindspin> pluffsy press del when the machine boots
[04:05] <bigfoot1> mindspin:In nautilus, how can one change the default application associated with each file extension?
[04:05] <pluffsy> runeb: I guess there are something kind of gui for selecting the startup disk when I'm in windows too?
[04:05] <runeb_> pluffsy: WHen you start your x86 you should get a message telling you to press a button for the bios setup
[04:05] <uber_newber> luke@ubuntuLuke:~$ sudo modprobe at76c503
[04:05] <uber_newber> Password:
[04:05] <uber_newber> FATAL: Module at76c503 not found.
[04:06] <mindspin> bigfoot i use kde;-)
[04:06] <bigfoot1> Seveas, do you use gnome?
[04:06] <kbrooks> uber_newber, ok.
[04:06] <runeb_> pluffsy: This is before you see any GUI
[04:06] <bigfoot1> mindspin, ok thanks.
[04:06] <lesshaste> I just attempted to install sshfs and all seemed fine. When I run it I get "sshfs: error while loading shared libraries: libfuse.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". Any ideas?
[04:06] <mindspin> pluffsy it can also be f12, or f8, depends on the bios of the machine
[04:07] <kbrooks> uber_newber, wat drivers didf you dl?
[04:07] <kbrooks> did*
[04:07] <uber_newber> ill show ya the site
[04:07] <runeb_> pluffsy: This is how it look like http://www.mysuperpc.com/pc_assembly/bios_main_menu.jpg
[04:08] <runeb_> pluffsy: Depending on your bios manufacturer
[04:09] <pluffsy> runeb: oh looks a bit weird. where do I select startup volume?
[04:10] <Ghetek> I am reading this wiki howto https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary?highlight=%28lamp%29 and i need help doing this "Search both the strings starting by "User" and "Group", and change the names by the current username and groupname you are using. Then you'll need to restart Apache." (in apache2.conf) i just dont know where this is and what group i am in, or where to find the text in this file
[04:10] <mindspin> pluffsy dont make an easy thing complicated what kinda bios is it?
[04:11] <pluffsy> mindspin: no idea. but I'll probably figure it out. thanks.
[04:11] <pluffsy> still funny you can't do simple stuff easy on a pc, like a standardized start from external media key wouldn't be hard to implement.
[04:11] <mindspin> just start the machine its saying "award bios blah" or something else
[04:12] <uber_newber> http://download.berlios.de/at76c503a/at76c503-0.11.tar.gz
[04:12] <uber_newber> i think this is it
[04:12] <runeb_> pluffsy: Just try to start the machine a couple of times and notice all messages.
[04:12] <mindspin> for me its acool feature to disable booting from cd via bios
[04:12] <runeb_> mindspin: Why ?
[04:13] <mindspin> to avoid people to do bad things;-)
[04:13] <mindspin> or accidently installing windows :-)
[04:13] <runeb_> mindspin: Just telle them to read the EULA and they want
[04:14] <chrissturm> sjam: yep sudo apt-get install phpgpadmin
[04:14] <mindspin> one of the most hated feature of win95 forme was autostart
[04:15] <uber_newber> im trying to install my lyknsis wireless b network adapter, and sum1 told mei needed this driver thing called at76c503, so i downloaded it but what do i do now?
[04:16] <uber_newber> kbrooks> heres the site http://download.berlios.de/at76c503a/at76c503-0.11.tar.gz
[04:17] <sJaM> chrissturm, I also install postgres and phppgadmin
[04:17] <sJaM> chrissturm, and I don't find any entry in /var/www
[04:18] <chrissturm> sJaM, me too
[04:18] <chrissturm> sJaM, it doenst need to be there, it can also be defined in some config file
[04:18] <kbrooks> uber_newber, brb
[04:18] <uber_newber> k
[04:19] <sJaM> perhaps you need to make a soft link yourself
[04:20] <sJaM> do
[04:20] <mindspin> sJaM what do you want to get running?
[04:21] <sJaM> sudo ln -s /usr/share/phppgadmin /var/www/phppgadmin
[04:21] <sJaM> this works
[04:22] <kbrooks> ok
[04:22] <sJaM> with phpmyadmin that soft link is automatically made
[04:22] <nalioth> kbrooks: ping
[04:23] <kbrooks> nalioth, pong
[04:24] <sJaM> chrissturm, did it work ?
[04:24] <Xappe> hmm, trying to compile the latest (stable) gplflash on my ppc hoary. error in ./configure cause it can't find x11 development files, and I have libx11-dev installed
[04:24] <kbrooks> uber_newber, pm me
[04:24] <chrissturm> sJaM, nope
[04:24] <sJaM> it didn't ?
[04:24] <sJaM> it did by me
[04:24] <Xappe> any suggestions?
[04:24] <sJaM> hmm
[04:24] <aaron-c> anyone got experience with samnba and mac osx
[04:24] <sJaM> what is the output of
[04:25] <sJaM> ls -l /var/www/
[04:26] <xoz> aaron-c: what's the problem?
[04:27] <nalioth> Xappe: try xorg dev files
[04:27] <embalmer>  . -/oo\- .
[04:28] <heulSuSE> Wei jemand wo ich den Fehler suchen muss, wenn meine Sound total verzerrt ist? Ich hab ne soundblaster live! 24Bit. Hab den Treiber fr den Chip von alsa installiert. Das hat auch geklappt aber es kommt nur Schrott aus dem Lautsprecher.
[04:28] <sJaM> chrissturm, did the ln command gave any errrors then ?
[04:28] <heulSuSE> Oh, sorry, English version coming soon! ;)
[04:28] <mindspin> fr deutsch geh bitte nach #ubuntu-de
[04:28] <nalioth> heulSuSE: im #ubuntu-de, bitte
[04:29] <Xappe> nalioth: ah, will do
[04:30] <nalioth> Xappe: you've piqued my interest
[04:32] <Winux> FUCK FLOODING!
[04:32] <sobersabre> i've got a usercert.pem file.
[04:32] <sobersabre> i didn't create a priv. key.
[04:32] <sobersabre> i just got the user certificate.
[04:32] <nalioth> Xappe: what do you do with gplflash once its made/installed?
[04:32] <sobersabre> how can i create keypair out of it ?
[04:33] <heulSuSE> I have a problem with my soundblaster live! 24bit. I installed the driver from alsa. But now there come's only waste out of my speakers. I don't know where to grapple the problem.
[04:33] <Xappe> nalioth: I want to get a version that doesn't crash my firefox
[04:33] <Winux> Do you know one IRC client for Linux that protects against Flooding?
[04:34] <nalioth> Xappe: i run ppc, also, do you just follow the flash inst for x86, but use gplflash instead?
[04:34] <Xappe> nalioth: http://ubuntuppc.info/AddOnApplications/FlashAndSWF
[04:34] <moparfan90> hello.... i need help  adding repositories to my sourse list and dont know what to do. any help would be great
[04:35] <nalioths_dog> moparfan90: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:35] <El_Che> Winux: irssi (command line), problaby Xchat too (graphical)
[04:35] <xChil1> hi, has anyone experience with installing bibus under ubuntu?
[04:35] <mindspin> heulSUSE how did you install the driver?
[04:35] <nalioth> moparfan90: do you need a sources.list, also?
[04:36] <nalioth> xChil1: what is bibus?
[04:36] <heulSuSE> mindspin: This way: http://www.ubuntu-de.org/viewtopic.php?t=1849&highlight=ca0106
[04:36] <Xr|p> Anyone know a good ftpclient for ubuntu live cd ?
[04:37] <nalioth> Xr|p: gftp
[04:37] <moparfan90> i dont know.... let me get  that link
[04:37] <Panzerboy> Xr|p: mc
[04:37] <El_Che> Xr|p: gftp present?
[04:37] <mindspin> open synaptic with sudo synaptic go to multimedia and install what you need
[04:37] <Panzerboy> btw
[04:37] <apokryphos> bob2: it worked! I can't thank you enough; thanks. :)
[04:37] <xChil1> nalioth: a scientific referencing program for OO. i have found it in synaptic. but it shows me some dependencies it cant resolve (python)
[04:37] <moparfan90> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[04:37] <Panzerboy> hello all :)
[04:37] <mindspin> its not the best idea to compile stuff by yerself
[04:37] <xChil1> nalioth: http://bibus-biblio.sourceforge.net/
[04:37] <apokryphos> bob2: though, that problem should really be sorted out... bad to have conflicting libraries (or whatever it is)
[04:37] <nalioth> xChil1: are you using official repos?
[04:37] <bob2> apokryphos: talk to nvidia
[04:37] <mindspin> its better tu use the package management system
[04:37] <Xappe> nalioth: so, can you namedrop any packages that could be the solution to my problem? Seems to be that I have the x-dev and  libx11-dev packages installed
[04:38] <apokryphos> bob2: they don't make the Ubuntu packages...
[04:38] <nalioth> moparfan90: some of those repos are not advised for regular and continued use
[04:38] <bob2> apokryphos: I really doubt the problem is with the packaging
[04:38] <bob2> tho I've lost the url
[04:38] <bob2> and you didn't use #flood
[04:38] <moparfan90> how do i do it with synpaica?
[04:38] <apokryphos> bob2: I needed to do it in order to compile KDE SVN (among other things). Suffice it to say, others doing this haven't had the problem
[04:38] <bob2> so I forget what the problem was
[04:38] <xChil1> nalioth: in order to find bibos in synaptic i added 2 reps taken from (http://bibus-biblio.sourceforge.net/html/en/introduction.html#mozTocId157381)
[04:38] <mindspin> heulSuSE:  open synaptic with sudo synaptic go to multimedia and install what you need
[04:38] <nalioth> Xappe: i just compiled gplflash (since you mentioned it the first time) w/o a problem. let me look a minute
[04:38] <xChil1> nalioth: that what u asked?
[04:38] <apokryphos> bob2: I can get it again if you want...
[04:39] <mindspin> heulSuSE:  its better tu use the package management system
[04:39] <nalioth> xChil1: yes, and that may be what is causing your problems
[04:39] <heulSuSE> mindspin: Yes, but this driver ist not in the repository
[04:39] <xChil1> nalioth: oh, how come? thought thats synaptic is the best way to go to install stuff....
[04:40] <Geist|Patrick> urgs...
[04:40] <Xappe> nalioth, ok
[04:40] <mindspin> even not in universe?
[04:40] <Geist|Patrick> i need the console command for renaming
[04:40] <mindspin> mv
[04:40] <Geist|Patrick> mv?
[04:40] <mindspin> yep or cp
[04:40] <Geist|Patrick> mv = move file
[04:40] <xChil1> nalioth: what way would you suggest me to go?
[04:40] <mindspin> for copy
[04:40] <nalioth> xChil1: yes it is, but you can't mix strange repositories (they are not all on teh same sheet of music)
[04:40] <Geist|Patrick> rename
[04:40] <mindspin> no mv
[04:40] <apokryphos> bob2: aha, found the ubuntu bug report: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6960
[04:40] <El_Che> Geist|Patrick: mv
[04:40] <alpha> anyone know how to get microsoft streaming media to work in firefox?
[04:40] <heulSuSE> mindspin: How can I search for a driver in the repository?
[04:40] <nalioth> xChil1: hang on a minute
[04:40] <xChil1> nalioth: sure
[04:41] <mindspin> I would guess that there is no need for special drivers
[04:41] <mindspin> I never needed to install adriver...
[04:41] <nalioth> xChil1: does your bibus repos have 'source repos' available or just binary?
[04:42] <Xr|p> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[04:42] <xChil1> nalioth: lemme check that
[04:42] <Xr|p> when trying to sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:42] <alpha> anyone know how to get microsoft streaming media to work in firefox?
[04:42] <nalioth> Xappe: try 'xlibs-dev'
[04:42] <xChil1> nalioth: both.
[04:43] <osity> anyone know how to setup a software raid1 on ubuntu...
[04:43] <Geist|Patrick> why doesnt captive notice
[04:43] <Xappe> nalioth: ok, i'm checking that out
[04:43] <Geist|Patrick> that the necessary drivers are in /var/lib/captive?
[04:43] <nalioth> xChil1: do you have the deb-src enabled in your sources.list?
[04:44] <nalioth> alpha, please wait a few minutes 'tween the same question, in anyone knows the answer, they will speak up
[04:44] <moparfan90> ok... bye
[04:44] <lapo> hi there
[04:44] <alpha> nalioth: i find usally if you don't say it twice when theres lots of traffic no one notices it
[04:44] <xChil1> nalioth: sorry, what you mean? what i did: i added 2 reps. taken from (http://bibus-biblio.sourceforge.net/html/en/introduction.html#mozTocId157381) one appeas as Bin the other as source. i activated both in synaptic.
[04:45] <El_Che> alpha: apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[04:45] <xChil1> nalioth: that what u asked for?
[04:45] <heulSuSE> mindspin: Somebody hier in the channel told me to do this that way. Without I can't load a driver for the sound-card.
[04:45] <alpha> El_Che: thanks
[04:45] <Xr|p> is there any dir I'
[04:45] <Xr|p> 'mallowed to extractto ?
[04:45] <Xr|p> damn fucked space
[04:46] <Geist|Patrick> captive is asking for lokalized ntoskrnl.exe
[04:46] <nalioth> Geist|Patrick: yes, from your local installed copy of windows
[04:46] <Geist|Patrick> what means localized
[04:46] <Xr|p> Where can I extract files with a live CD, allways get denied...
[04:47] <nalioth> Xr|p: do you want to keep the files after you stop using the livecd?
[04:47] <Panzerboy> Xr|p: what exactly are you trying to do ?
[04:47] <Xappe> nalioth, what is the plugindir for firefox? /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins? and should I give that dir during the make install? btw, thanks for your help, that worked
[04:47] <nomed> hi
[04:47] <Panzerboy> nomed: hey
[04:47] <nomed> where can i find alsaconf ?
[04:47] <Panzerboy> nomed: apparently it's not in ubuntu
[04:47] <nomed> i have alsa-base and alsa-utils
[04:48] <nomed> i see :/
[04:48] <Panzerboy> i remember i read somewhere about this
[04:48] <Panzerboy> maybe in the forums?
[04:48] <Panzerboy> !ubuntuforums
[04:48] <nalioth> Xappe: that is one, there is also one for mozilla suite, if you have that installed
[04:48] <ubotu> Panzerboy: No idea
[04:48] <Panzerboy> !forums
[04:48] <nomed> but is there anything similar ?
[04:48] <Panzerboy> !forums alsaconf
[04:49] <nomed> who's the bot?
[04:49] <nikkia> Panzer, we discussed it here the other night
[04:49] <Xappe> nalioth: ok, thank you very much. hope this will work now...I hate it when flash sites crash my firefox
[04:49] <Panzerboy> nikkia: i missed this discussion
[04:49] <Whistler> is it possible to install ubuntu on one computer and then put this hdd into other on
[04:50] <Whistler> one
[04:50] <nalioth> Xappe: i never bothered with it until you mentioned it
[04:50] <Jowi> Whistler, depending on the BIOS i would say
[04:50] <nalioth> Xappe: but good luck
[04:50] <Panzerboy> nomed: ubotu is the bot
[04:50] <nomed> so no alsaconf .. but does discover do the same?
[04:50] <Panzerboy> bow before the mighty ubotu
[04:50] <Whistler> Jowi both are award
[04:51] <Jowi> Whistler, some BIOS'es uses different ways of enumerating the hardware... there is no way of knowing until you try i'm afraid
[04:51] <Jowi> Whistler, even different versions of award
[04:51] <Xappe> nalioth: it's the version of libflash in the repos that screws things up. hope a newer version will please my boiling mind
[04:55] <phanter> Whistler, I tried it and it worked quite well (had to change some things afterwards though)
[04:55] <ahrtal123> hello
[04:56] <phanter> Whistler, try the same with winXP and you will ripp your hair out :>
[04:56] <ahrtal123> I need to know how to change the default boot in GRUB
[04:56] <moparfan90> i cant get limewire working can someone help me
[04:57] <apokryphos> ahrtal123: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#grubdefos
[04:57] <ahrtal123> thanks!
[04:57] <itz> http://pastebin.com/311913   hde5 says unmounted but when fsck.ext3 it says its mounted... what to do?
[04:57] <nalioth> moparfan90: could you use gtk-gnutella instead? it serves the same purpose
[04:58] <moparfan90> i think i have that its so slow
[04:58] <moparfan90> limewire is faster
[04:58] <hmrocha> kbrooks, i had to remove the .mozilla directory
[04:58] <hmrocha> kbrooks, i think it's working fine now
[04:58] <nalioth> moparfan90: have you installed java?
[04:58] <moparfan90> i think
[04:58] <moparfan90> how can i check
[04:58] <kbrooks> moparfan90, java -version
[04:59] <nalioth> moparfan90: open a terminal and type what kbrooks said
[04:59] <moparfan90> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.0.0 20050301 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0-0pre6ubuntu7)
[04:59] <moparfan90> Copyright (C) 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[04:59] <moparfan90> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
[04:59] <moparfan90> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
[04:59] <kbrooks> uh
[04:59] <kbrooks> moparfan90, are you on debian?
[04:59] <alpha> people still use limewire? and not bittorrent?
[04:59] <nalioth> moparfan90: please dont paste more than 2 lines
[04:59] <moparfan90> ubuntu
[04:59] <alpha> hehe
[04:59] <nalioth> kbrooks: its an ubuntu pkg
[05:00] <nalioth> moparfan90: what is the trouble with limewire?
[05:00] <kbrooks> nalioth, ubuntu breezy?
[05:00] <moparfan90> when i try to open it nothing happens
[05:00] <itz> http://pastebin.com/311913   hde5 says unmounted but when fsck.ext3 it says its mounted... what to do?
[05:01] <Panzerboy> maybe limewire doesn't work with gcj
[05:01] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: try to start it from a terminal
[05:01] <moparfan90> how
[05:01] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: see if there are some errors
[05:01] <nalioth> moparfan90: are you running hoary or breezy?
[05:01] <kbrooks> limewire
[05:01] <moparfan90> the new one
[05:01] <Panzerboy> oh
[05:01] <nalioth> Panzerboy: gcj provides a symlink for "/usr/bin/java"
[05:01] <nalioth> moparfan90: how new?
[05:01] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: right click on the desktop, then open terminal
[05:02] <Panzerboy> then type limewire
[05:02] <moparfan90> bash: limewire: command not found
[05:02] <rasputnik> LVM is awesome.
[05:02] <Panzerboy> nalioth: that doesn't matter, maybe limewire uses some parts of java that are not yet implemented in gcj, or that are buggy in gcj
[05:02] <Xappe> nalioth, well, so far it seems to be more stable, so I guess that was a good thing to do
[05:02] <amichai> anyone know of a good graphic app for graphic designers?
[05:03] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: hmm ... then it means it has some other name
[05:03] <rasputnik> amichai: inkscape, gimp ?
[05:03] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: are you sure you have it installed?
[05:03] <nalioth> Panzerboy: true
[05:03] <tim> is gcj going to be included w/ breezy?
[05:03] <amichai> rasputnik: thanx
[05:03] <moparfan90> what java or limewire
[05:03] <nalioth> amichai: inkscape, gimp,
[05:04] <nalioth> moparfan90: where did you install limewire?
[05:04] <moparfan90> i dont know ....http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[05:04] <apokryphos> *cough*
[05:04] <kbrooks> moparfan90,
[05:04] <kbrooks> !ubuntuguide
[05:04] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[05:05] <itz> http://pastebin.com/311913   hde5 says unmounted but when fsck.ext3 it says its mounted... what to do? PLEASE
[05:05] <moparfan90> ook
[05:05] <nalioth> moparfan90: let me go read the 'guide, hang on a min
[05:06] <moparfan90> ok
[05:06] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: did you do all that it says there?
[05:06] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: in the guide?
[05:06] <moparfan90> yeah
[05:06] <kbrooks> wtf?
[05:06] <Determinist> hey guys, i am about to install ubuntu on my desktop machine , anything i should know about before attempting a dual boot with winxp? XP is already installed on that machine ... just wanting to know if i'd be able to still boot into windows after install
[05:06] <djp> anyone know why i get an unexpected end of stream error message when i play ogg vorbis streams under rhythmbox in hoary?
[05:06] <moparfan90> not adding resop....
[05:06] <nalioth> Determinist: you won't have a problem
[05:06] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: then
[05:06] <kbrooks> nalioth, it doesntn use the official limewire
[05:06] <Determinist> nalioth, would grub include a winxp entry?
[05:06] <sobersabre> Determinist, beware not to get used too much to ubuntu..
[05:06] <sobersabre> Determinist, yep
[05:06] <Determinist> sobersabre, already using ubuntu on my laptop , it is great :D
[05:07] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: type in the terminal runLime.sh
[05:07] <sobersabre> Determinist, me too.
[05:07] <chombee> Hey all - I just switched from Ubuntu to Fedora, Fedora is prettier and maybe faster but doesn't work as well and there are far less official packages. I'm gonna switch back. But I just can't get over Fedora's nice fonts! Is there a way to beautify the Ubuntu fonts?
[05:07] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: if the output is more than a line, don't paste it here
[05:07] <nalioth> Determinist: grub will indeed 'see' windows and add an entry
[05:07] <moparfan90> Starting LimeWire...
[05:07] <moparfan90> Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
[05:07] <moparfan90> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE. LimeWire works best with Sun JRE available at http://www.java.com [java = gij] 
[05:07] <moparfan90> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://www.java.com
[05:07] <moparfan90> ls: /usr/java: No such file or directory
[05:07] <moparfan90> OOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /usr/java/  hierarchy
[05:07] <sobersabre> chombee, copy the fonts.
[05:07] <moparfan90> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://www.java.com
[05:07] <El_Che> chombee: what the prob with the fonts?
[05:07] <moparfan90> sorry for big paste
[05:07] <Determinist> ok , so just put the install CD in the drive and voila? i'm installing it into a slave 40gig drive , already having another drive as the master split into two partitions
[05:07] <El_Che> chombee: no difference here with gnome on solaris, or unbuntu at home. Fonts are nice
[05:07] <Panzerboy> !flood
[05:07] <ubotu> from memory, flood is for pasting, please use http://pastebin.com , http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl or #flood here on freenode.
[05:08] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: see !flood
[05:08] <nalioth> chombee: if you get the fedora font source rpm, you can decant the fonts into ubuntu
[05:08] <Panzerboy> ok then
[05:08] <El_Che> chombee: maybe you need to install de ms fonts
[05:08] <El_Che> chombee: it's in universe
[05:08] <Panzerboy> it seems like it wants a sun jre
[05:08] <moparfan90> sorry
[05:08] <chombee> El_Che - I think maybe so
[05:08] <El_Che> chombee: alien can convert rpm's in nice deb's
[05:08] <nalioth> Determinist: the 40g is empty right now?
[05:08] <action09> Ubuntu is instable for me if i had multiverse, backports or 'non-supported' marillat, so i decided to put only universe and official Hoary in sources.list , but if i remove mplayer,vlc-gtk, audio plug-ins and all.. and do an update and upgrade with 'clean sources' will my system librairies be replaced with more 'stable' binaries/lib ? please
[05:09] <action09> any clue please ? :) sorry for the flood
[05:09] <Determinist> nalioth, full , trying to free up some space in it. would i need the entire 40 gig drive or can i split it into 2 partitions?
[05:09] <rasputnik> chombee: you probably just need to install some more fonts - rpm -qa|grep -i font ' should list all fedoras font rpms
[05:09] <chombee> El_Che - well, it's not that I want exactly the Fedora fonts, I just want the font-smoothing it has
[05:09] <moparfan90> anyone know what i should do?
[05:09] <nalioth> Determinist: you only need about 5gb (give or take)
[05:09] <Determinist> nalioth, hmmm , ok , thanks
[05:09] <nalioth> moparfan90: use gtk-gnutella?
[05:10] <chombee> moparfan90 - did you install the Java package? It's called something like sunj2re
[05:10] <djp> anyone interested, the answer to my problem can be found here http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156941
[05:10] <moparfan90> ok. but i want to get limewire to work firs
[05:10] <nalioth> Determinist: keep in mind, that linux can read/write to other filesystems (except for NTFS, which is read-only)
[05:10] <charles> does anyone have a problem when they fullscreen zsnes?
[05:10] <djp> just gonna have to wait for a hoary update i gather... ;)
[05:10] <charles> or know about a problem
[05:10] <Panzerboy> !java
[05:10] <rasputnik> moparfan90: you need a jre to run limewire!
[05:10] <ubotu> I heard java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[05:10] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: see !java
[05:11] <alpha> moparfan90: if you compile your own kernel you can add ntfs write
[05:11] <djp> charles: what problem do you have? i used to run zsnes
[05:11] <charles> djp, it was working perfectly earlier
[05:11] <Panzerboy> alpha: what's that have to do with his limewire problem?
[05:11] <charles> djp, but now it starts in a window
[05:11] <Determinist> nalioth, alright , cept one problem ... the existing partitions on the system are NTFS
[05:11] <charles> djp, and when i fullscreen it it says press any key but its locked up
[05:11] <alpha> Panzerboy: wrong nice
[05:11] <alpha> nick even
[05:11] <charles> jpatrick, it used to crash when i exited fullscreen but i didnt really care, now its starting in a screen and when i fullscreen it locks
[05:12] <Panzerboy> alpha: :)
[05:12] <djp> charles: ahh, i remember that problem. i got around it by using the size button in the top right hand corner
[05:12] <chombee> moparfan90 - you need the package sun-j2re1.5
[05:12] <charles> djp, oh jesus hell
[05:12] <charles> djp, that workes perfectly
[05:12] <charles> djp, i guess alt+enter = sad zsnes
[05:12] <alpha> anyone have any idea when the .us servers will be unborked
[05:12] <charles> djp, thanks
[05:13] <djp> charles: i know i had the same issue as you, but by using that workaround everything was fine
[05:13] <nalioth> Determinist: then give yourself about 10gb for linux
[05:13] <charles> djp, yeah i dont want to use snes9x boo
[05:13] <charles> djp, zsnes is nice
[05:13] <djp> charles: don't suppose you know if there is a deb file of gens kicking about anywhere do you? ;)
[05:13] <Panzerboy> alpha: the devs prolly
[05:13] <Determinist> nalioth, thanks, will do mate
[05:13] <charles> djp, the games look better and the input for controllers is way easier
[05:13] <charles> djp, no idea :\
[05:13] <moparfan90> "sun-j2re1.5" is not showing up in search
[05:13] <moparfan90> help me
[05:13] <charles> djp, i have the win version but thats no help
[05:14] <kahuna_> Hi
[05:14] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: because it's in the backports i guess
[05:14] <charles> moparfan90, backports
[05:14] <Panzerboy> !backports
[05:14] <moparfan90> how do i install that then?
[05:14] <ubotu> hmm... backports is at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[05:14] <Panzerboy> see that
[05:14] <kahuna_> Is there a tabbed terminal like gnome-terminal but lightwieght?
[05:15] <kahuna_> I'm running wmaker because I don't have the resources for gnome
[05:15] <Panzerboy> kahuna_: iirc, eterm
[05:15] <DJester> Anyone here an ACPI expert that I can query?
[05:15] <moparfan90> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/.... is not a site
[05:15] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: yes it is, maybe it has some problems atm
[05:16] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: in short, you have to add this line to the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:16] <moparfan90> what line
[05:16] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[05:16] <moparfan90> o
[05:16] <Kreuzfeldt> Hi all
[05:16] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: so open a terminal
[05:17] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:17] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: copy paste that line
[05:17] <Kreuzfeldt> i need help with my resolution :/ 640*480 @ 60Hz only :(
[05:17] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: then, from the terminal, do sudo apt-get update
[05:17] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: then you should be able to install the jre
[05:18] <moparfan90> ok
[05:18] <zAo^> lo all
[05:18] <moparfan90> where do i put that line?
[05:18] <kbrooks> nalioth_wrkn?
[05:18] <Panzerboy> umm
[05:18] <Panzerboy> moparfan90: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:18] <Panzerboy> there
[05:18] <kbrooks> Panzerboy, HOLD IT
[05:18] <moparfan90> i know ... where in that file?
[05:18] <zAo^> can some1 help me with upgrading to breezy?
[05:18] <zAo^> I got: dpkg: xserver-xorg: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request:
[05:18] <Panzerboy> kbrooks: ?
[05:18] <kbrooks> moparfan90, do not use backports daily
[05:18] <charles> anyone know what happened to the package mplayer-i386
[05:19] <charles> i know where mplayer is
[05:19] <charles> i just wanted that part
[05:19] <charles> wait nvm
[05:19] <Kreuzfeldt> i need help with my resolution :/ 640*480 @ 60Hz only :(
[05:19] <charles> lol
[05:19] <Kreuzfeldt> can somebody pm me please ?
[05:19] <charles> Kreuzfeldt, did u edit ur xorg.conf?
[05:19] <Kreuzfeldt> no
[05:19] <Kreuzfeldt> but i reconfigured xorg thingy
[05:19] <charles> Kreuzfeldt, add resolutions in there
[05:19] <Kreuzfeldt> didnt help
[05:20] <Kreuzfeldt> wait
[05:20] <Kreuzfeldt> where to add the resolutions , and how ?
[05:20] <charles> is there a way to configure mediaplayer connectivity in firefox to make your videos play imbedded????
[05:21] <Kamzi> hi ppl
[05:21] <Kreuzfeldt> hi
[05:21] <porksword> hey guys i need a hand gettin java installed any1 give me a hand please??
[05:21] <moparfan90> sun-j2re1.5 doesnt show up in sypatica
[05:21] <Kamzi> any1 feel like helping install unbuntu
[05:21] <Kreuzfeldt> porksword, www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:21] <Kreuzfeldt> there is a tut on that site
[05:21] <charles> moparfan90, add backports then update
[05:21] <rasputnik> Kamzi: what problems?
[05:22] <moparfan90> i did
[05:22] <charles> moparfan90, apt-get update
[05:22] <Panzerboy> Kreuzfeldt: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:22] <Kreuzfeldt> i tried
[05:22] <porksword> im using the amd64 guide and it doesnt seem 2 work unless im doin it wrong
[05:22] <Kreuzfeldt> didnt work
[05:22] <Panzerboy> !ubuntuguide
[05:22] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[05:22] <Panzerboy> Kreuzfeldt: see that
[05:22] <Panzerboy> about the guide
[05:22] <Kamzi> whenever i install unbuntu my xp install goes awol
[05:22] <Panzerboy> Kreuzfeldt: what video card do you have?
[05:22] <apokryphos> charles: it just changed name
[05:22] <apokryphos> !find mplayer
[05:22] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'mplayer' (11 shown): mozilla-mplayer ;; mplayer-386 ;; mplayer-586 ;; mplayer-686 ;; mplayer-custom ;; mplayer-doc ;; mplayer-fonts ;; mplayer-k6 ;; mplayer-k7 ;; mplayer-nogui ;; xmms-xmmplayer.
[05:22] <drayen> is there a dedicated 64bit channel?
[05:22] <charles> doessss anyone know where a guide is to have embedded video in firefox
[05:22] <Kreuzfeldt> Panzerboy, Radeon 8500
[05:23] <Phreakazoid> hey
[05:23] <rasputnik> Kamzi: shouldn't do unless you are deleting or resizing windows partitions
[05:23] <Phreakazoid> what is the point of the mplayer-k7 and mplayer-686 packages
[05:23] <Phreakazoid> which say "this is a placeholder" ?
[05:23] <Panzerboy> Kreuzfeldt: and are you using ati's drivers?
[05:23] <charles> k7 is for athlon
[05:23] <charles> i use k7 packages
[05:23] <charles> and kernels
[05:23] <rasputnik> charles: ubuntuguide (but we're not allowed to mention it)
[05:23] <Phreakazoid> I know what it SHOULD be fore
[05:23] <Phreakazoid> but its not
[05:23] <Kreuzfeldt> no but i tried b4 i reinstalled and they didnt work properly :/
[05:23] <Phreakazoid> it just links to other packages
[05:23] <Phreakazoid> lol
[05:23] <charles> rasputnik, ?????????/
[05:23] <apokryphos> charles: and if you check there you'll see there's more than k7
[05:23] <apokryphos> charles: i.e. mplayer-386
[05:23] <charles> rasputnik, do what
[05:24] <rasputnik>  www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:24] <charles> im so confused wth is going on
[05:24] <kbrooks> !ubuntuguide
[05:24] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[05:24] <apokryphos> hehe
[05:24] <charles> i dont need the ubuntu guide
[05:24] <rasputnik> kbrooks: yes thanks but it tells you how to embed mplayer
[05:24] <apokryphos> charles: mplayer-386 exists
[05:24] <Phreakazoid> its funny on the ubuntu wiki
[05:24] <porksword> is https://wiki.ubuntu.com better or something??
[05:24] <Phreakazoid> in part of it
[05:24] <Phreakazoid> they say "go to ubuntu guide it's good"
[05:24] <rasputnik>  www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:24] <kbrooks> rasputnik, read
[05:24] <kbrooks> !ubuntuguide
[05:24] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is, like, a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[05:25] <charles> apokryphos, ohhhh i was typing it wrong
[05:25] <Phreakazoid> and then on that page it says "ubuntu guide is the worst load of crap ever made"
[05:25] <Phreakazoid> the wiki contradicts itself
[05:25] <rasputnik> kbrooks: are you a bot?
[05:25] <apokryphos> kbrooks: I'm sure they get the idea ;-)
[05:25] <Panzerboy> lol
[05:25] <kbrooks> No.
[05:25] <kbrooks> I am not a bot.
[05:25] <apokryphos> prove it
[05:25] <El_Che> kbrooks: !VERSION
[05:25] <apokryphos> haha
[05:25] <charles> but umm do i have to have mplayer to do it? i like vlc better
[05:25] <rasputnik> kbrooks: then stop blindly mailing about ubuntuguide! i know its' not recommended but it answers the guys question
[05:25] <charles> i have all the codecs i need to watch everything
[05:25] <apokryphos> charles: it *is* mplayer
[05:25] <kbrooks> I'm a member of the unp
[05:26] <Determinist> ooook , here we go , ubuntu installing on me desktop puter
[05:26] <Panzerboy> kbrooks: what is unp ?
[05:26] <charles> apokryphos, yeah i know
[05:26] <alpha> i still can'tseem to get streaming windowsmedia audio anyone have any ideas? i have mplayer istalled
[05:26] <kbrooks> ubuntu new users project
[05:26] <porksword> thanx 4 the help
[05:26] <Panzerboy> heh
[05:26] <Phreakazoid> so whats the deal with the mplayer-k7 package then
[05:26] <CarinArr> hey, how can i make a little script run automagically when ubuntu starts up?
[05:26] <Panzerboy> didn't know about that one
[05:26] <Phreakazoid> its just this.... "Dummy package to upgrade to the new package mplayer-k6"
[05:26] <crimsun> rasputnik: please don't blindly recommend ubuntuguide. There are questionable recommendations in it. Always attach a caveat that it is an unofficial guide.
[05:27] <Phreakazoid> why has k7 been discontinued?
[05:27] <apokryphos> Phreakazoid: for Athlons
[05:27] <apokryphos> Phreakazoid: it hasn't
[05:27] <Panzerboy> kbrooks: does it have a site or smth ?
[05:27] <Phreakazoid> apokryphos: mplayer-k7 -> Dummy package to upgrade to the new package mplayer-k6
[05:27] <Phreakazoid> apokryphos: all it does is depend on mplayer-k6
[05:27] <rasputnik> kbrooks, crimsun: scroll back, I mentioned it with caveats
[05:27] <drayen> anyone else getting "MD5Sum mismatch" from the 64bit apt sources?
[05:27] <apokryphos> Phreakazoid: whoops, yeah sorry. k6 is the pack
[05:27] <Phreakazoid> apokryphos: its not a package itself
[05:27] <CarinArr> drayen, you using us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[05:27] <charles> where do i get mplayer fonts
[05:27] <drayen> CarinArr, yes!
[05:28] <Determinist> a buddy gave me a shipit CD , so lovely :D
[05:28] <crimsun> rasputnik: I only just joined.
[05:28] <apokryphos> !find mplayer-fonts
[05:28] <ubotu> mplayer-fonts: (Fonts for mplayer), section multiverse/x11, is optional. Version: 3.5-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 1305 kB, Installed size: 7172 kB
[05:28] <CarinArr> drayen, try using another archive, i had problems with us. too, none with just archive.ubuntu.com
[05:28] <charles> apokryphos, thnx
[05:28] <Phreakazoid> apokryphos: what happened to the k7 version then? did it not provide a significant performance increase?
[05:28] <apokryphos> Phreakazoid: never exsted
[05:28] <rasputnik> how come the wiki has a bad SSL cert too? Can't we fix that?
[05:28] <CarinArr> another mirror even
[05:28] <drayen> CarinArr, ahhh okay - will give that a try now :) cheers
[05:28] <Phreakazoid> ic
[05:28] <apokryphos> Phreakazoid: as a package in the repos, that is
[05:28] <crimsun> Phreakazoid: the -k7 version is only a virtual package for -k6
[05:28] <moparfan90> ok i think limewire works now... i think
[05:29] <Phreakazoid> crimsun: yeah thats what I just said three times, I'm asking why its just that instead of an actual k7 compile
[05:29] <cavediver> Hi guys. I have problem installing icon-themes. I download and put the archive in .icons and choose it in theme-manager but the icons on my desktop goes all white..
[05:30] <cavediver> anyone have any idea why ?
[05:30] <crimsun> Phreakazoid: simplicity. The build script is inherited (and adapted) from debian-marillat
[05:30] <Kreuzfeldt> anyone got time for my resolution problem ? please pm
[05:30] <Phreakazoid> crimsun: I see
[05:31] <rasputnik> crimsun: is there a guide anywhere for contributing to package management?
[05:31] <apokryphos> Kreuzfeldt: what is it?
[05:31] <Kreuzfeldt> its just 640*480
[05:31] <apokryphos> rasputnik: yes. Check the motu wiki page
[05:31] <crimsun> rasputnik: wiki/MOTU
[05:31] <apokryphos> Kreuzfeldt: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:31] <rasputnik> apokryphos, crimsun : cheers
[05:31] <Kreuzfeldt> i did that :/
[05:31] <Kreuzfeldt> didnt work
[05:31] <apokryphos> Kreuzfeldt: as in...? It didn't change?
[05:32] <Kreuzfeldt> no didnt change
[05:32] <Kreuzfeldt> at first i had troubles comming back in gnome
[05:32] <apokryphos> Kreuzfeldt: if you put in the option for it, and Ubuntu has enough power to do it with your vid card, then you should have the option for it
[05:32] <Determinist> ping me please?
[05:32] <drayen> CarinArr, seems to be doing the trick ! thanks !!!
[05:32] <apokryphos> Determinist: ping
[05:32] <Determinist> netlag :/
[05:32] <Kreuzfeldt> mh what ? :/
[05:32] <apokryphos> Determinist: don't worry; it's necessarily determined.
[05:33] <Determinist> :P
[05:33] <porksword> is there a newer sun-j2re1.5??
[05:33] <apokryphos> Kreuzfeldt: did you select the option to have a higher resolution in the X configuration?
[05:34] <Kreuzfeldt> yea
[05:34] <Kreuzfeldt> the resolutions are even shown @ xorg.conf
[05:34] <apokryphos> Kreuzfeldt: alright, did you restart X?
[05:34] <apokryphos> ok, cool
[05:34] <Kreuzfeldt> yea
[05:34] <apokryphos> Kreuzfeldt: and now you don't have the option still to go a resolution higher?
[05:34] <Kreuzfeldt> right :(
[05:35] <apokryphos> eek. Not sure then...
[05:35] <Kreuzfeldt> mh
[05:35] <apokryphos> Kreuzfeldt: you using an nvidia/ati card?
[05:35] <Determinist> i wish i didnt have a reason to keep winxp installed , i hate that OS :/
[05:35] <Kreuzfeldt> ati
[05:35] <Kreuzfeldt> radeon 8500
[05:35] <porksword> i have tried apt-get install sun-j2re1.5 like the guide said but only got E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5 any1 got any suggestions??
[05:36] <Determinist> just one reason , one game ... one!
[05:36] <splitta> whats the typical delivery time for the cds ?
[05:36] <moparfan90> i have been trying to open limewire and it is in the load screen saying "loading HTML engine..."   for 10 min
[05:36] <apokryphos> Kreuzfeldt: did you install the drivers for it?
[05:36] <moparfan90> what sould i do?
[05:36] <Determinist> splitta, about 1.5-2 months
[05:36] <deFrysk> porksword, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[05:36] <Kreuzfeldt> i did b4 the reinstall and it didnt work either
[05:36] <apokryphos> Kreuzfeldt: if you did install the drivers, then you'd have to select it accordingly in the dpkg-reconfigure
[05:36] <charles> hey, i found a tutorial for embedding video in mozilla anyone want it?
[05:37] <Kreuzfeldt> mh
[05:37] <Kreuzfeldt> Oo
[05:37] <Determinist> charles, embedding video in mozilla ... how do you mean?
[05:37] <charles> its on ubuntu forum but meh
[05:37] <Kreuzfeldt> i will try it again
[05:37] <charles> Determinist, like playing IN your browser
[05:37] <splitta> thanx...i'd order hoary but breezy will be current by the time they arrive :o)
[05:37] <charles> Determinist, not opening in a media player
[05:37] <Determinist> charles, ohh , if it's on the forums i'll find it then
[05:37] <charles> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17727&highlight=Firefox
[05:37] <charles> its with totem-xine tho
[05:38] <Kreuzfeldt> apokryphos, i need those right ? -> ATI Proprietary Linux x86 Drivers for XFree86 / X.Org Version 8.14.13
[05:38] <splitta> Determinist: any way of speeding it up ?
[05:38] <moparfan90> i have been trying to open limewire and it is in the load screen saying loading HTML engine..."   for 10 min
[05:38] <moparfan90> help me
[05:38] <porksword> deFrysk: cool thanx 4 that
[05:39] <LuckyStrike> hi
[05:39] <apokryphos> Kreuzfeldt: I have nvidia, so haven't done ATI. Hold on one sec..
[05:39] <Kreuzfeldt> ok thx
[05:40] <splitta> when is the next snapshot of breezy due ?
[05:40] <kHurtiZ> Hoary 5.04 is current stable release, right?
[05:40] <apokryphos> Kreuzfeldt: instructions here actually should do it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[05:40] <apokryphos> kHurtiZ: yes
[05:40] <EpHiLL> does any one know a good linux tutorial for radiant ?
[05:40] <apokryphos> Kreuzfeldt: oh wait, possibly better...
[05:40] <apokryphos> !ati
[05:40] <ubotu> ati is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:40] <MrBiscuit> Where can you download the synapic packages manually (like outside of linux)?
[05:41] <apokryphos> MrBiscuit: http://archive.ubuntu.com
[05:41] <MrBiscuit> Thx
[05:41] <Kreuzfeldt> i will look on those 2 pages thx
[05:41] <moparfan90> i have been trying to open limewire and it is in the load screen saying loading HTML engine..."   for 10 min
[05:42] <apokryphos> moparfan90: look for another window it may have opened up which asks you to configure it..
[05:42] <moparfan90> i didnt
[05:42] <apokryphos> moparfan90: you didn't what? First time you open LimeWire you have to do some configurations, just about when it says that...
[05:42] <moparfan90> nevermind.. it did
[05:42] <moparfan90> thanks
[05:43] <MrBiscuit> apokryphos: Like where do i go on these pages
[05:43] <deFrysk> moparfan90, should be a config window somewhere
[05:43] <omniscient> limewire for linux?
[05:43] <apokryphos> MrBiscuit: i.e. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/
[05:43] <deFrysk> omniscient,  yup
[05:43] <apokryphos> omniscient: it's a Java app -- yes.
[05:43] <MrBiscuit> I went there
[05:44] <omniscient> ah java
[05:44] <deFrysk> omniscient, also azureus
[05:44] <MrBiscuit> But where do i find the /deb files
[05:45] <apokryphos> MrBiscuit: sorry; here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[05:45] <MrBiscuit> Thanks, now i see
[05:45] <MrBiscuit> Anyone have a Conexant dialup modem?
[05:47] <Kreuzfeldt> gonna try and reboot
[05:47] <Kreuzfeldt> brb
[05:48] <daan> haaai
[05:50] <benjaminwr> jeez...
[05:50] <benjaminwr> loads of people here
[05:50] <benjaminwr> im looking for some help with my intallation
[05:50] <daan> hussssh
[05:50] <benjaminwr> anyone availlable?
[05:50] <deFrysk> benjaminwr, be specific if you want help
[05:50] <benjaminwr> ok
[05:51] <benjaminwr> after installation my computer reboots but doesn't load up grub
[05:51] <benjaminwr> i get system disk boot faliure
[05:51] <benjaminwr> as if grub hadn't been installed
[05:51] <benjaminwr> but the installation says it was installed
[05:52] <benjaminwr> i've tries on various disks
[05:52] <benjaminwr> and same problem
[05:52] <benjaminwr> my rig athlon 64 3000+ asus a8n-sli deluxe 2g ram and for linux i'm using a barracuda 80gb hdd
[05:54] <daan> i don't n
[05:54] <daan> know why im here...
[05:55] <Kreuzfeldt> didnt work :/
[05:56] <Kreuzfeldt> needed to reconfigure this xthing again b4 comming back to gnome
[05:56] <Kreuzfeldt> apokryphos ?
[05:57] <apokryphos> Kreuzfeldt: Hey. So you installed the drivers?
[05:57] <MrBiscuit> Umm.. everytime i try to access /proc using nautilus, it never opens the folder and says it doesnt have any free space in it
[05:57] <apokryphos> Kreuzfeldt: did you configure X accordingly?
[05:57] <Kreuzfeldt> i tried the second link
[05:57] <Kreuzfeldt> didnt work
[05:57] <deFrysk> benjaminwr, no privating without asking please
[05:57] <benjaminwr> soyy
[05:57] <benjaminwr> sorry
[05:58] <benjaminwr> i need help gettin it to load
[05:58] <benjaminwr> on my laptop it's fine
[05:58] <apokryphos> Kreuzfeldt: so you put in the fglrx into xorg.conf etc.?
[05:58] <Kyral> Okay, how does one put together a multipart rar?
[05:58] <Kreuzfeldt> yea
[05:58] <Kreuzfeldt> right
[05:58] <Kreuzfeldt> :/
[05:58] <apokryphos> Gah
[05:59] <benjaminwr> is there anyone here that can help me please...
[06:00] <MrBiscuit> Isn't there an alternative to GRUB?
[06:00] <apokryphos> Lilo
[06:00] <Proteque> MrBiscuit: lilo
[06:00] <MrBiscuit> Then umm whats ur face why don't you try that
[06:01] <MrBiscuit> Btw does anyone know how to edit Dialup modem strings in ubuntu?
[06:03] <Kyral> mmm, one reason more why I love the command line
[06:03] <Kyral> almost every command has the -v option. So I can see whats going on :D
[06:04] <MrBiscuit> Ummm anyone know how to install Wine like rite
[06:04] <Chillout> hi does anyone know of a good online banking program for ubuntu?
[06:04] <Kyral> sudo apt-get install wine?
[06:04] <Geist|Patrick> hi
[06:04] <Geist|Patrick> i need help installing captive
[06:04] <MrBiscuit> No i mean like when you d/l it from the site
[06:04] <Geist|Patrick> :/
[06:05] <Kyral> MrBiscuit, why would you do it that way?
[06:05] <MrBiscuit> Everytme it gets close to finishing, it says it can't find a test file or somthing then aborts
[06:05] <Geist|Patrick> someone here who has a working ubunutu with it?
[06:05] <benjaminwr> does anyone know why grub might not install properly or not at all
[06:05] <Kyral> unless its Cedega?
[06:05] <kbrooks> Geist|Patrick, captive is teh evil
[06:05] <Geist|Patrick> well... i need data which is on ntfs
[06:05] <Kyral> Geist|Patrick, Captive NTFS == Instant NTFS screw up
[06:05] <Kyral> Geist|Patrick, you can read NTFS without it
[06:06] <Geist|Patrick> how?
[06:06] <Geist|Patrick> ubuntu doesnt seem to support it
[06:06] <Kyral> should be autodetected
[06:06] <MrBiscuit> Kyral: I have connectiontroubles in linux since i have to use Linuxants trial driver (Like im paying) and i have to d/l it in Windows
[06:06] <Geist|Patrick> unless i have read
[06:06] <Geist|Patrick> well... my ubuntu CANT read my ntfs partitions
[06:06] <Geist|Patrick> :/
[06:06] <Kyral> Linuxants?
[06:06] <Geist|Patrick> ???
[06:06] <MrBiscuit> Linuxant's*
[06:06] <apokryphos> Geist|Patrick: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html
[06:06] <MrBiscuit> www.linuxant.com
[06:06] <Spaic> is is safe to install packages from debian mirrors? I couldn't find libstdc++2.10
[06:06] <kahuna_> Hi. Does anyone know how I can enable UTF-8 in Eterm?
[06:07] <Chrisxx> Geist|Patrick: http://72.9.240.23/~foulplay/winmac_fstab  run that script (make it an executable and run it with sudo)
[06:07] <CarlFK> anyone recomend a IRC past bot?  something that will notify a channel of the URL
[06:07] <charles> ok so i installed the mozembed thing but what player should i use in mediaplayerconnectivity
[06:07] <Kyral> MrBiscuit, I assume this is a Wireless Card?
[06:07] <apokryphos> CarlFK: past bot? Of what URL?
[06:07] <itz> plzzz what can i do to force umount to a disc?
[06:08] <MrBiscuit> Unfortinatly its a dialup modem :-(
[06:08] <daan> byyyyaaaaa
[06:08] <MrBiscuit> I've heard of that, but it says its only for yea Wireless cards
[06:08] <CarlFK> apokryphos - a web site where you can pate a bunch of text so that other IRC users can see it
[06:09] <EpHiLL> I'm looking for a good tutorial for radiant, compile maps in linux any one?
[06:09] <apokryphos> CarlFK: www.pastebin.com
[06:09] <CarlFK> apokryphos - where do you specify what server/channel to notify?
[06:09] <apokryphos> CarlFK: or the one in /topic
[06:10] <apokryphos> CarlFK: oh, it won't notify the channel.. you'll have to paste the link in yourself
[06:10] <Geist|Patrick> why am i unable to mount partions without console?
[06:10] <paradizelost> hey all
[06:10] <Geist|Patrick> its in that drop down
[06:10] <Geist|Patrick> why is the gui that useless?
[06:10] <CarlFK> apokryphos - then it dosen't meet my requirements ;)
[06:10] <paradizelost> can anyone tell me how to have a static set DNS address while having a DHCP ip address???
[06:10] <Chillout> hi does anyone know of a good online banking program for ubuntu?
[06:10] <apokryphos> CarlFK: a web site where you can pate a bunch of text so that other IRC users can see it  -- it meets that one
[06:10] <apokryphos> ...but nevermind.
[06:11] <adwait> hey ppl
[06:11] <MrBiscuit> Kyral, Do you think it will work
[06:11] <Kyral> Geist|Patrick, the terminal isn't that bad... :D
[06:11] <Kyral> NDiswrapper? Maybe
[06:11] <Kyral> Give it a shot, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain
[06:11] <MrBiscuit> Whats the URL again?
[06:11] <Geist|Patrick> i even cant access most of the configs from the gui
[06:12] <Kyral> it might be preinstalled from the disk
[06:12] <Kyral> do a man ndiswrapper on the console
[06:12] <paradizelost> can anyone tell me how to have a static set DNS address while having a DHCP ip address???
[06:12] <Geist|Patrick> cant i create a real root account?
[06:12] <itz> Hey can anybody help me with some unmounting issues plzzzz?
[06:12] <adwait> paradizelost: i guess they are pretty much unrelated things......nevertheless, u can set ur DNS ip in the /etc/resulv.conf file with a line like nameserver <ipaddress>
[06:12] <MrBiscuit> Alrite
[06:12] <Geist|Patrick> without that console stuff?
[06:12] <MrBiscuit> Thx
[06:12] <CarlFK> apokryphos - http://sourceforge.net/projects/pastebot - that one does, but is giving me heartburn trying to get all the needed perl modules
[06:12] <paradizelost> but whhen i get the dhcp address, it overwrites /etc/resolv.conf
[06:12] <adwait> Geist|Patrick: if u sudo passwd, i guess tht will create a root account
[06:12] <Geist|Patrick> in console
[06:13] <Geist|Patrick> but not in the gui?
[06:13] <paradizelost> i.e. with dhclient or with gnome's network management program
[06:13] <adwait> Geist|Patrick: then u gotta enable x login for root, from System>Administration>Login Setup
[06:13] <Geist|Patrick> i use kde
[06:13] <adwait> Geist|Patrick: no idea tn
[06:13] <kungkang> Geist|Patrick: why would you want a root account on a desktop machine? its a broken concept.
[06:14] <Geist|Patrick> well... it bugs me that i only can access most of items via console
[06:14] <Geist|Patrick> ALTHOUGH there are gui menus for it!
[06:14] <adwait> paradizelost: hmm......i guess i can only suggest the dumb way: make resolv.bak and then after connecting to the net, rename it resolv.conf
[06:14] <paradizelost> is there any way then to make it so that nothing can change the contents of /etc/resolv.conf
[06:14] <paradizelost> ?
[06:14] <Kyral> Geist|Patrick, like what?
[06:14] <paradizelost> cuz i've done a chmod 000 /etc/resolv.conf and it still overwrote it.
[06:14] <CarlFK> paradizelost - "nothing" is a bit extream
[06:14] <adwait> or u could change permissions of tht file.......but i dunno how tht will work......
[06:15] <kungkang> Geist|Patrick: really?, i can use all gui configuration stuff from my gnome menu
[06:15] <Kyral> kungkang, he is using KDE
[06:15] <paradizelost> i want to force 127.0.0.1 to be the DNS server.
[06:15] <CarlFK> paradizelost - anyting running as root will have it's way with it ;)
[06:15] <paradizelost> can i take permissions away from root?
[06:15] <Geist|Patrick> gnome is installed too on this machine
[06:15] <kungkang> Kyral: so there is no equivalent to gnome-sudo in KDE?
[06:15] <paradizelost> i know it can be done over  NFS
[06:15] <Geist|Patrick> but there is no difference
[06:15] <itz> Geist|Patrick, gksudo gedit and make ur main user owner for some folders and no problemo..
[06:15] <Kyral> I don't know, I run GNOME :D
[06:15] <Geist|Patrick> well...
[06:16] <adwait> paradizelost: i gues chmod -w /etc/resolv.conf should work
[06:16] <adwait> as root
[06:16] <Geist|Patrick> i want to able to mount partiotions
[06:16] <adwait> so make that sudo chmod -w /etc/resolv.conf
[06:16] <Kyral> mount :D
[06:16] <CarlFK> paradizelost - if you could, you would just break your box good
[06:16] <paradizelost> isn't that the same as a chmod 000 /etc/resolv.conf
[06:16] <benjaminwr> can anyone help me with grub not loading, i get system disk boot faliure
[06:16] <jewel> paradizelost, No, you still need read access to that file
[06:16] <adwait> but i really dont know how this might affect ur system
[06:16] <CarlFK> paradizelost - there are ways of telling dhclient what to ignore
[06:16] <jewel> It's the same as chmod 444 /etc/resolv.conf
[06:18] <Kyral> Geist|Patrick, sometimes the Console is the best way
[06:18] <itz> Geist|Patrick, well i know ur feeling but its really recomended to not login a root....
[06:18] <itz> ;)
[06:18] <benjaminwr> can anyone help me with grub not loading, i get system disk boot faliure
[06:19] <Geist|Patrick> i took me one hour to copy and post translation files for opera in a usr folder
[06:19] <Geist|Patrick> only because i were unable to modify the rights
[06:19] <Geist|Patrick> why?
[06:19] <Geist|Patrick> that suxx
[06:20] <CarlFK> paradizelost - man dhclient.conf If for some option the client should always  use  a  locally-configured        value  or  values rather than whatever is supplied by the server, these        values can be defined in the supersede statement.
[06:20] <Kyral> its called keeping you from royally boning your system by accident
[06:20] <Proteque> sudo su -
[06:20] <MrBiscuit> Hey umm Kyral i installed the .deb pack now what do i do
[06:20] <jewel> benjaminwr, I assume you used to be able to boot from the drive before you installed grub?
[06:20] <Kyral> believe me, I've done it :P
[06:20] <Kyral> MrBiscuit, I believe you need the drivers for the modem
[06:21] <MrBiscuit> Hmm.. ok
[06:21] <MrBiscuit> Then what do i do with them
[06:21] <DAWKIRST> Hi. How do I install third-party software like cedega?
[06:21] <Kyral> after that, the man pages for NDiswrapper should help :D
[06:21] <MrBiscuit> Like where do i put them
[06:21] <benjaminwr> well i have another 2 discs that i used before
[06:21] <MrBiscuit> Ok
[06:21] <Kyral> DAWKIRST, is it a .deb?
[06:21] <benjaminwr> this disk is exclusively for linux
[06:21] <itz> Geist|Patrick, Hey tell me about it... Its quite hard making stuff in linux thats for sure....
[06:21] <benjaminwr> but windows works on that disk
[06:22] <jewel> benjaminwr: When you get that error it normally means that you've got your BIOS settings wrong
[06:22] <benjaminwr> the hd i use is set in the bios as the primary boot disk
[06:22] <MrBiscuit> Does anyone have Juno for Linux, it's in java and i installed java but it still won't open
[06:23] <benjaminwr> of the thre I have
[06:23] <benjaminwr> I put it in the first place
[06:23] <jewel> benjaminwr: If grub were the problem then usually  you see an error mentioning grub specifically
[06:23] <benjaminwr> and the boot order is floppy cdrom and HD
[06:23] <DJester> Can Someone answer a question for me.  My acpi works fine, but the /proc/acpi/fan directory is empty.  What does that mean? Sometimes my fan shuts off for no reason and the only way to get it running again is to reboot my laptop.  Any Ideas?
[06:23] <Geist|Patrick> well
[06:23] <jewel> benjaminwr: Was it set as the boot disk when you installed?
[06:23] <benjaminwr> yes
[06:23] <itz> Anybody that can help me unmount hde5? its says unmounted... but when using sudo fsck.ext3 -c /dev/hde5
[06:23] <itz> it says mounted very riscy to countinue.
[06:23] <Geist|Patrick> how can i mount via the gui?
[06:23] <Geist|Patrick> i still dont get it
[06:23] <jewel> DJester: Not all acpi implementations can control the fan
[06:23] <benjaminwr> boot disk all the way
[06:23] <Geist|Patrick> and i am a linux noob
[06:23] <Kyral> Geist|Patrick, you need an entry in the /etc/fstab
[06:23] <DAWKIRST> Kyral, yes.
[06:24] <Geist|Patrick> well...would u explain that plz
[06:24] <Kyral> Geist|Patrick, PM
[06:24] <benjaminwr> I know it's not a grub configuration problem, its jut a grub not happening problem
[06:24] <benjaminwr> :p
[06:24] <jewel> DJester: On my laptop it shuts down by itself too... the only way to get it to spin back up is to play a game or compile something... :)
[06:24] <Kyral> DAWKIRST, then do a sudo dpkg -i <package>
[06:24] <DJester> Jewel: Do you know of anyother ways that the fan is controlled that I can check out?
[06:24] <DAWKIRST> Kyrla, ty.
[06:25] <itz> Anybody that can help me unmount hde5? its says unmounted... but when using sudo fsck.ext3 -c /dev/hde5 its says mounted continue at own risk.... Please cant anybody HELP ME? :(
[06:25] <jewel> DJester: Not that I know of.  Normally it is just temperature controlled.  It's probably laptop version dependent
[06:25] <Kyral> itz, what is ON that partition?
[06:25] <benjaminwr> jewel do u mind if I private
[06:25] <jewel> benjaminwr: Nope
[06:25] <itz> Kyral, /home
[06:26] <Kyral> itz, you cannot umount /home while the system is running :P
[06:26] <Kyral> reboot and get into the GRUB Menu
[06:26] <kutucape> itz, init 1
[06:26] <kutucape> then umount /home
[06:26] <itz> Kyral,  im missing files and when editing som text filing stuff disapears... how can i check the disc for errors?
[06:26] <DJester> Jewel: Thanks for your help.  I don't think it's temp controlled, becuase after it shuts off the whole laptop gets really hot.  You'd think that it would spin back up after a bit.
[06:27] <DAWKIRST> Kyral, hmmm, looks like the package I have is not compatible with my 64-bit.
[06:27] <itz> kutucape, just type sudo init 1 ?
[06:27] <kutucape> itz, yes
[06:27] <Kyral> itz, what kutucape said
[06:27] <itz> ok gr8 thx
[06:27] <jewel> DJester: You can check the temperature in /proc/acpi/thermal or something like that... laptops are OK to get pretty hot.  Try searching around for acpi and your laptop model
[06:27] <itz> kLove u ;=)
[06:27] <itz> bbl wish me luck :d
[06:28] <kutucape> ok ;)
[06:28] <Kyral> DAWKIRST, are you using the pay version of Cedega?
[06:28] <DAWKIRST> Kyral, no.
[06:29] <MrBiscuit> Kyral, could helpp me install another driver
[06:29] <Kyral> MrBiscuit, what one?
[06:30] <DJester> jewel: /proc/acpi/thermal doesn't exsist.  It's a very propietary laptop
[06:30] <MrBiscuit> Its a linuxant driver (an older beta) one that i found but when i try to install it it says can't find proc/pci
[06:30] <paradizelost> quit
[06:31] <kutucape> DJester, chek if ACPI is enable
[06:31] <kutucape> enabled
[06:31] <grogoreo> hi
[06:31] <f_r[a] n_k> this is prolly like the millionth time its been asked but im tottaly new to linux, i need to install java
[06:31] <kutucape> by investigating dmesg |less
[06:31] <Kyral> MrBiscuit, did NDiswrapper work?
[06:31] <kutucape> CMIIW
[06:32] <f_r[a] n_k> can anyone like pm me and walk  me threw an installation?
[06:32] <MrBiscuit> Can't figure out how to use it
[06:32] <MrBiscuit> I went to there site and googled it
[06:32] <DJester> kutucape: When I type acpi at the prompt it returns my battery status.
[06:32] <kutucape> f_r[a] n_k, you have to download it from sun website
[06:32] <kutucape> then run the installer...
[06:32] <f_r[a] n_k> i nkow that
[06:32] <f_r[a] n_k> i dont know how to do that
[06:32] <Kyral> MrBiscuit, man ndiswrapper
[06:32] <kutucape> that's it
[06:32] <thisisalex02> hey everyone
[06:32] <Kyral> if the installer is a .sh
[06:32] <MrBiscuit> No manual entry for ndiswrapper
[06:33] <f_r[a] n_k> its not
[06:33] <thisisalex02> i have a usb drive plugged inyet im unable to change permissions using chmod
[06:33] <grogoreo> Is there an application that will let a windows user log onto another computer in the way XDMCP (cant remember if thats wright) is for Gnome. I know of VNC but I want a complete separete session with GUI. Like rdesktop to log onto windows machines (or just windows machines logging onto windows machines)
[06:33] <kutucape> f_r[a] n_k, first download, then chmod +x your_java_download
[06:33] <Kyral> did you install the deb?
[06:33] <MrBiscuit> ya
[06:33] <kutucape> then eexecute: ./your_java_download
[06:33] <kutucape> that's it
[06:33] <Kyral> hmmm
[06:33] <kutucape> hei thisisalex02
[06:33] <thisisalex02> sup kutucape
[06:33] <uber_newber> ne here ever heard of graal online?
[06:33] <GigaClon> yeah
[06:33] <uber_newber> *ne1
[06:34] <kutucape> f_r[a] n_k, no pm please
[06:34] <itz> Grrrr still same error... system says hde5 allready unmounted but when fsck.ext3 it says mounted WARNING :((((
[06:34] <kutucape> use paste bin instead
[06:34] <thisisalex02> im doin chmod 777 /media/FTP
[06:34] <jewel> itz: hde5 isn't listed when you type mount ?
[06:34] <thisisalex02> and nada
[06:34] <Kyral> itz
[06:35] <jewel> thisisalex02: You sometimes can't chmod a mounted drive
[06:35] <GigaClon> where can I change esd's behavior on start up
[06:35] <Kyral> reboot and select safe mode or recovery mode or soemthing like that from the menu
[06:35] <MrBiscuit> Kyral: sudo dpkg -i ndiswrapper-source_1.1-1_i386.deb was right rite?
[06:35] <Kyral> then type umount /home
[06:35] <jewel> thisisalex02: You have to change with mount options... like uid, umask, stuff like that
[06:35] <kutucape> GigaClon, system call > Preferences > sound
[06:35] <Kyral> MrBiscuit, yah
[06:35] <f_r[a] n_k> alrte, well kutucap do i want the Core/Desktop ???
[06:35] <jewel> thisisalex02: It's all documented in 'man mount'
[06:35] <Kyral> wait
[06:35] <Kyral> whoa
[06:35] <Kyral> thats the sourcecode
[06:36] <itz> jewel, yes it is
[06:36] <MrBiscuit> What do you mean?
[06:36] <thisisalex02> so i have to remount
[06:36] <kutucape> f_r[a] n_k, core is enough
[06:36] <MrBiscuit> Oh
[06:36] <MrBiscuit> How do i compilei t
[06:36] <jewel> itz: I'm a little confused... yes, it is mounted, or yes, it isn't listed
[06:37] <Kyral> did it make a directory?
[06:37] <MrBiscuit> Yea. It did
[06:37] <MrBiscuit> And put i .ko file in it
[06:37] <itz> jewel, sorry its mounted cuz i can  always reach /home   but i cant unmount it... does that answer ur question?
[06:37] <Kyral> cd into it
[06:37] <qt2> "configure: error: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a is present on your system. This prevents linking to OpenGL. Delete the file and restart configure." <- wont that break opengl...? <.<;
[06:37] <kutucape> itz, cat /etc/mtab and see if your mounted partition are there
[06:37] <Kyral> then ./configure && make && make install
[06:37] <jewel> itz: Does it give you an error when you try to unmount it?
[06:37] <Kyral> err
[06:38] <Kyral> put a sudo in front of that
[06:38] <MrBiscuit> Ok
[06:38] <itz> jewel, no its allready unmounted it says
[06:38] <kutucape> hmmm
[06:38] <f_r[a] n_k> kutucape do i downlad the j2se Jave Runtime Environment?
[06:38] <f_r[a] n_k> is that what i want?
[06:38] <jewel> itz: Or perhaps a better question... what is it you are trying to do?  Unmount /home to fsck it?
[06:39] <thisisalex02> ubuntuaddon.zip anyone know if that link is down
[06:39] <kutucape> f_r[a] n_k, yes
[06:39] <itz> jewel,  yes
[06:39] <uber_newber> i was trying to install the driver so i can instally my lyknsis wireless usb network adapter and i was in the terminal and i typed this in  "luke@ubuntuLuke:~/Desktop/at76c503-0.11.tar.gz_FILES/at76c503-0.11$ sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:39] <uber_newber> " and a bunch of stuff started loading. now its done loading what do i do?
[06:39] <jewel> itz: I think to do that properly you have to go to single user mode
[06:39] <itz> kutucape, its not listed in mtab
[06:39] <f_r[a] n_k> kutucape, for linux theres RPM in self-extracting file, or just Self-extracting file
[06:39] <itz> jewel, been there tried that... same shit
[06:40] <kutucape> itz, so it's not mounted
[06:40] <jewel> itz: The other way to do it (which is a lot easier) is to just boot the install CD in rescue mode or boot the live CD
[06:40] <jewel> itz: Then the drive won't be mounted at all and it should be easy
[06:40] <kutucape> itz, jewel is right... that is the safe option
[06:40] <MrBiscuit> Kyral: ./configure
[06:40] <MrBiscuit> Not found
[06:41] <kutucape> MrBiscuit, so try make && make install instead
[06:41] <itz> yeah i try the install cd cus fschk complaining oterhwise....
[06:41] <jewel> itz: You have to type "rescue" on the first screen that comes up
[06:41] <itz> bbl ;)
[06:41] <MrBiscuit> kutucap: No targets specified and no makefile found
[06:41] <itz> y np
[06:41] <jewel> itz: Good luck
[06:41] <itz> thx :d
[06:41] <MrBiscuit> Its a .ko file
[06:42] <itz> bbl hopefully :()
[06:42] <kutucape> hmm, strange, so please read README
[06:42] <kutucape> file
[06:42] <MrBiscuit> ?
[06:42] <MrBiscuit> No readme... just that one file
[06:42] <kutucape> find a document or something that give you a clue how to install it
[06:43] <MrBiscuit> Oh ok
[06:43] <kutucape> usually README file
[06:43] <Kyral> !topic
[06:44] <Kyral> !help topic
[06:45] <ValheruLord> anyone that tried kbfx?where must i copy the launch buttons pngs' ?
[06:45] <apokryphos> Kyral: what are you trying to do?
[06:45] <Kyral> get it to display topic
[06:45] <apokryphos> Kyral: /topic
[06:46] <Kyral> oh
[06:47] <petros> hi guys!
[06:47] <petros> is it really soooo difficult to use an own kernel in ubuntu???
[06:47] <kutucape> hi petros
[06:47] <kutucape> nope
[06:47] <petros> im trying to install ym 2.6.12 kernel
[06:47] <supernix>  I am not sure but I think my connection to the net is faster than when I was using my XP SP2 box
[06:47] <kutucape> just compile it and add it to grub
[06:47] <ValheruLord> hi all. i installed kbfx and wanna use a launch button of kde with it.. where must i copy the png
[06:48] <petros> and when i boot i get a lot of errors becaus of some modules
[06:48] <kutucape> supernix, you are right
[06:48] <petros> i followed the instruction on the ubutnu forum
[06:48] <apokryphos> petros: and they didn't work?
[06:48] <petros> i've created a package with make-kpkg
[06:48] <petros> and isntalled id
[06:48] <petros> went very well
[06:48] <kutucape> petros, make modules_install ?
[06:48] <supernix> I figured it would since M$ messed with the TCP/IP to inhibit P2P
[06:48] <petros> yes
[06:49] <petros> i did everything
[06:49] <Will_> supernix: QOS can do silly things
[06:49] <petros> is there a modules script at boot time that tries to load the modules?
[06:49] <kutucape> well, it happens to me when i was on compiling kernel for my linuxfromstrach, but i don't know then
[06:49] <supernix> So you mean the QOS alters your connection speed and such ?
[06:49] <apokryphos> ubotu: compilekernel is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43065
[06:49] <ubotu> apokryphos: okay
[06:51] <charles> lol gaim has a buddy pounce option for when ppl sign off
[06:51] <charles> how would u msg someone
[06:51] <charles> after they sign off
[06:52] <Jowi> charles, it is called "email" :-)
[06:52] <ReneS> What is a  MD5Sum mismatch  and why would i get them when i an downloading programs ?
[06:53] <Will_> charles: Depends on the protocol surely? I know you can send offline messages with yahoo
[06:53] <shodgen> hi everyone.  I've looked in the ubuntu howto's, faqs, man pages, google, etc., and can't figure out how install a second version of python 2.3.5 along side the standard 2.4.1, where it doesn't automatically symlink to the new one.  I know I could just symlink myself, but I remember seeing a reference to this, just can't find it again.  anyone know how?
[06:53] <Jowi> ReneS, i got them while using the us.archive.... in /etc/apt/sources.list. remove the "us." and apt-get update
[06:53] <charles> yahoo, email, phhh who needs either of those
[06:53] <shodgen> using apt :-)
[06:53] <ReneS> Jowi thanks ill give that a try
[06:53] <MrBiscuit> Where do i get/find the kernal sources at
[06:54] <apokryphos> !compilekernel
[06:54] <ubotu> methinks compilekernel is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43065
[06:54] <Will_> charles: Nice limited view there.
[06:54] <synkro> hi!
[06:55] <synkro> Where can I find a list if ubunto compatible RAID controller and how to install onn a RAID1 ?
[06:55] <thisisalex02> so if my external hdd is formatted ntfs i cannot write to it from within ubuntu correct?
[06:56] <action09> wrong
[06:56] <action09> Captive ntfs can write on ntfs
[06:57] <thisisalex02> captive ntfs
[06:57] <thisisalex02> i cannot change permissions..itll stay read only
[06:57] <Kyral> NO CAPTIVE NTFS!!
[06:57] <MrBiscuit> How come everytimei try to access /proc with nautilus it doesn't display anythign and sits there loading forever
[06:57] <Kyral> NO NO NO NO! I'm already fixing someone else who tried that and screwed up!
[06:57] <action09> i neevr used it but i know it's possible :)
[06:58] <Kyral> Using Captive NTFS is like instantly corrupting that drive
[06:58] <action09> i heard that :)
[06:58] <action09> make a backup first :)
[06:58] <Kyral> NO!!
[06:58] <Kyral> IDIOT!
[06:58] <Kyral> BAKAKAKAKKAKAKAKA!
[06:59] <shodgen> MrBiscuit, nautilus is constantly trying to update the list, and /proc is always changing
[06:59] <MrBiscuit> So, how would i adda file to it
[06:59] <MrBiscuit> Or a folder
[06:59] <shodgen> you don't /proc contains a list of what processes are running
[06:59] <shodgen> run a program, that's how
[06:59] <MrBiscuit> ?
[06:59] <MrBiscuit> I need to add /pci to it in order for a driver to install
[07:00] <shodgen> that's /dev.  devices
[07:01] <shodgen> all /proc has in it is running processes.  there's many ways to get a process running, like a daemon in init.d, or off the shell, or in gnome, etc.  but you can't simply add a file to /proc
[07:01] <MarcC-away> wow it must be ubuntu primetime or something
[07:01] <itz> Where and when can i choose resque mode on install cd? only thing i saw was server expert or install mode.....
[07:02] <Kyral> itz, not on the CD
[07:02] <Kyral> the GRUB Menu
[07:02] <shodgen> yup
[07:02] <MrBiscuit> Nvm
[07:02] <itz> Kyral, oo did i get u so wrong? :/
[07:02] <MrBiscuit> i typed somthing random in the console and the installer opened
[07:02] <itz> ok bbl ;)
[07:03] <shodgen> wierd
[07:04] <uber_newber> very quiet in here
[07:04] <MrBiscuit> brb gotta get offline
[07:05] <shodgen> MrBiscuit: read http://linuxgazette.net/issue46/fink.html
[07:05] <shodgen> oops
[07:05] <keikoz> do somebody can help on the kernel compilation? that's what happens on boot: http://pastebin.com/311991
[07:06] <keikoz> if somebody have some idea ...
[07:06] <tim> hrm, I was getting those md5sum mismatch from us.archive.ubuntu too and so I removed that repository but now it still gives me the same thing (using synaptic) and it still says us.archive.ubuntu......
[07:06] <cmatheson> keikoz: you configured it wrong
[07:06] <cmatheson> keikoz: why are you compiling your own kernel?
[07:06] <keikoz> ah
[07:06] <keikoz> strange, cause i took the config file of the ubuntu-kernel
[07:07] <coreyo> I have an entry in my hdparm.conf to turn dma on for my dvd drive (hdb), however after ubuntu starts devfs and runs hdparm, it says "/dev/hdb: no such file or directory".  /dev/hdb is definitely there by the time I reach a login.  Any ideas?
[07:07] <kbrooks> keikoz, Don't.
[07:07] <^NaDiE^> wenas
[07:07] <mostrodibiscotti> I just looked at my sources.list file, and al repositories are uncommented and therefore added I think, but when I go to terminal, and I type
[07:07] <kbrooks> Cause then you need a initrd
[07:07] <cmatheson> keikoz: it may just be that you didn't make a new initrd image... did you use make-kpkg to build the kernel?
[07:07] <mostrodibiscotti> sudo apt-get webmin
[07:07] <keikoz> mmh and how do i compile a kernel with same options as the ubuntu-kernel then, using classical metode ?
[07:07] <mostrodibiscotti> it says bad package?
[07:07] <jasoncohen> anyone know how to use multiple email folders in evolution? I can't seem to find a way to force each POP account to use its own folder like I can in thunderbird.
[07:07] <mostrodibiscotti> how do I troubleshoot this
[07:08] <keikoz> i did a new initrd, using mkinitrd
[07:08] <keikoz> cmatheson i used classical way: make clean bzImage modules modules-install install
[07:08] <shodgen> anyone know how to use apt to install second (different) version of a software package where it doesn't update symlinks.  I want the original to be primary.  I remember seeing this somewhere, but cannot find it again after diligent googling, man pages, howtos, faqs, etc.
[07:09] <uber_newber> ne1 heard of graal online?
[07:09] <cartman> latest udev update on breezy looks broken
[07:09] <keikoz> after i did the initrd using mkinitrd
[07:09] <cartman> my /dev/hdc /dev/hdd devices are no longer created
[07:09] <cartman> anyone seen similar?
[07:09] <cmatheson> keikoz: ok, you're going to have to do some research on making a new initrd image (it's not hard), but you should use make-kpkg in the future... it's cleaner and will take care of some of that crap for you
[07:09] <Chillout> hi, the fan of my notebook is always running under ubuntu. powernow is enabled tho. anyone has a idea for solution?
[07:09] <keikoz> mmh ok
[07:09] <keikoz> i note it, thx cmatheson
[07:11] <mostrodibiscotti> my syntax was wrong
[07:11] <mostrodibiscotti> sorry
[07:11] <mostrodibiscotti> was not using "install"
[07:14] <delire> hola, an important question here regarding USB storage devices and hoary. we are about to use Ubuntu on some very public terminals for a big festival here in barcelona and i need to know whether anyone has had any "bad device descriptor" error (or similar), or in fact any other problems with USB storage devices. this and has anyone had issues sticks/cameras et al not popping up an icon on the desktop when plugged in..? on the od
[07:14] <tim> I'm getting md5sum mismatchs with packages from us.archive.ubuntu.com even after I've removed it from my sources.list - is it because I tried to install these same packages while I had us.archive.ubuntu in my sources.list?? is there a way to fix this, like cleaning out a cache or something
[07:14] <kbrooks> :/
[07:15] <cmatheson> tim: you need to apt-get update
[07:15] <kbrooks> tim: apt-get update
[07:15] <Chillout> hi, the fan of my notebook is always running under ubuntu. powernow is enabled tho. anyone has an idea for solution?
[07:15] <itz> In resque mode.... hde1 busy. hde5 not mounted but when fsck it says warning mounted. hdf/g/h i can unmount and fsck no problem at all..... GRRRr arrrggh :(
[07:15] <chipr> shodgen - i'd consider downloading the package and then using dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile to get a tar archive
[07:16] <itz> Do i have boot the live cd to check my file system? this seems very lol to me... ms windows here i come .... Grrr
[07:17] <kbrooks> no
[07:17] <itz> cant anybody help me????
[07:17] <coreyo> is there an easy way to get alsaconf?  It has disappeared from the alsa-utils package.
[07:18] <HappyFool> itz: what's the problem?
[07:18] <itz> HappyFool, i cant check my filesystem,,
[07:18] <delire> tim: coreyo: alsaconf is not in the ubuntu alsa-utils package ISTR
[07:18] <huami> HI! I am having a problem on ubuntu breezy with avermedia cardbus tv tuner.
[07:18] <delire> sorry tim, meant for coreyo only
[07:18] <HappyFool> itz: it's been a while since i manually checked my fs -- is it warning you about checking a mounted fs?
[07:19] <itz> it doesnt matter if its init 1 or resque mode it always says allready unmounted when umount but when fsck its says mounted warning and no other discs behaves this way
[07:19] <HappyFool> (fs=filesystem, sorry)
[07:19] <delire> coreyo: it is here in debian however.
[07:19] <basti> I have many problems with my sound... How to uninstall nVidia Drivers completely and how to set ALSA as Soundsystem? My Soundsystem is very curious
[07:19] <huami> dmesg prints 'cs: pcmcia_socket1: unable to apply power'
[07:19] <itz> HappyFool, yes it is but only on that partition and it doesnt matter what mode i do the check in
[07:19] <HappyFool> itz: do you have the live cd?
[07:19] <delire> coreyo: speak to crimsun as he's up to speed on the suitable replacement/method
[07:19] <HappyFool> itz: the root (i.e., /) fs will be mounted if you have a command line
[07:19] <kbrooks> Trying to compile Fox, but:
[07:20] <coreyo> delire: I think that it's supposed to be there, but someone messed up.  It's in the package description and comes up under the package searches.
[07:20] <itz> HappyFool, no but i got good connection so i can do it sooner but i think its really lol that thats the only way to do it
[07:20] <HappyFool> itz: maybe you can remount read-only
[07:20] <itz> HappyFool, no it doesnt work
[07:20] <cmatheson> itz: that's because you're doing it wrong
[07:20] <HappyFool> itz: i think there's also a way to unmount which forces a check on the next mount; not sure how you'd incorporate that in a shutdown
[07:20] <itz> cmatheson,  how shall i do it then?
[07:21] <cmatheson> itz: man mount
[07:21] <coreyo> crimsun: is there an easy way to get alsaconf for ubuntu hoary?  I'd assume that the debian packages would mess up my dependencies
[07:21] <basti> no idea how to help me?
[07:21] <itz> cmatheson, u gotto be kidding me?
[07:21] <delire> coreyo: i think it hasn't been removed from the package description. i've come across this here before helping users with setting up there soundcard. also note there is no /etc/modules.conf
[07:21] <cmatheson> itz: you're a dick, i don't feel obligated to help you
[07:21] <itz> cmatheson, if u know what im doing wrong then tell me ive been messing all day with this
[07:21] <itz> ;(
[07:21] <Panzerboy> cmatheson: watch your language
[07:22] <digitalfox> bluefoxicy, howdy
[07:22] <HappyFool> itz: what command are you using to remount read-only?
[07:22] <coreyo> delire: what is used in place of modules.conf?  I never tried looking for it
[07:22] <Panzerboy> cmatheson: if you don't want to help him, don't respond to him
[07:22] <itz> uomount -r
[07:22] <HappyFool> err
[07:22] <itz> umount -r that is
[07:22] <Panzerboy> itz: it should be something like umount -o r / (from memory :P)
[07:22] <delire> coreyo: i believe module-init-tools sets up the module paramaters using sensible defaults
[07:23] <HappyFool> i think you should be using mount, not umount
[07:23] <Panzerboy> errr ... mount
[07:23] <Panzerboy> :)
[07:23] <delire> coreyo: frankly i like alsaconf, it's been nothing but a godsend for me over the years. it "Just Works TM"
[07:23] <CarlFK> I have perl installed, but I need "library POE/Session.pm" - what package has that?
[07:23] <itz> Panzerboy,       -r     In case unmounting fails, try to remount read-only.
[07:24] <itz> HappyFool,       -r     In case unmounting fails, try to remount read-only.
[07:24] <HappyFool> itz: ok, so what happens when you do a 'umount -r' ?
[07:24] <itz> Nothing
[07:24] <coreyo> delire: /etc/modutils rightout?  It doesn't require you to use update-modules to dump them all into a single file?
[07:24] <HappyFool> itz: no error message, even?
[07:24] <itz> nope nothing
[07:24] <HappyFool> itz: stand by
[07:24] <itz> thx
[07:24] <coreyo> delire:  alsa-conf is really only necessary for ISA cards... but if you have an ISA card, there's no other easy way to set it up
[07:24] <Panzerboy> itz: for remounting your / read only: mount -r -o remount /
[07:25] <delire> coreyo: i believe you must update-modules yes.
[07:25] <HappyFool> itz: what Panzerboy said looks right to me
[07:25] <HappyFool> itz: can you try this without leaving irc?
[07:25] <delire> coreyo: i started using linux just when PCI was becoming popular, so i guess i just kept on with it ;)
[07:25] <itz> Panzerboy, i can try that but man umount says that -r will do same thing...
[07:25] <itz> HappyFool, yes
[07:25] <coreyo> delire: but linux breathes new life into old computers.... hence my current problem
[07:25] <HappyFool> itz: please do
[07:26] <delire> itz: you can always try a lazy unmount, then a mount -r 'umount -l /'
[07:26] <HappyFool> itz: and then tell us what     mount|grep ' / '       says?
[07:26] <delire> coreyo: you can always purge the current alsa install and grab the source tarball
[07:27] <HappyFool> hopefully grep doesn't need a read-write fs
[07:27] <delire> hehe
[07:27] <coreyo> delire: I'd consider that a last resort... you'd think that they'd add/fix it in a later build
[07:27] <MrBiscuit> Does anyone know what nvram.bin is?
[07:27] <zyth> anyone using the new WoW patch yet?
[07:27] <MrBiscuit> World of Warcraft?
[07:27] <delire> coreyo: crimsun knows the new system inside and out.. i would ask him.
[07:28] <delire> MrBiscuit: isn't that an nvidia related script?
[07:28] <MrBiscuit> I don't think so
[07:28] <zyth> MrBiscuit, yeah, wow = world of warcraft
[07:28] <delire> MrBiscuit: ok
[07:28] <MrBiscuit> My modem install reports that it can't write to it
[07:28] <MrBiscuit> World of Warcraft.. Lol.. Why pay when you can get GW for free per month
[07:29] <DAWKIRST> GW?
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> Guild Wars
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:29] <itz> HappyFool, hde5 isnt mention in mount|grep but still fsck complaining on just that partition/drive
[07:29] <MrBiscuit> Guild Wars
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> I got them both.
[07:29] <alpha> whats a good x program for wifi
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> been playing BattleField2 lately
[07:29] <MrBiscuit> OoO
[07:29] <DAWKIRST> Where can I get GW?
[07:29] <HappyFool> itz: ok, what does 'mount|grep hde5' say?
[07:29] <MrBiscuit> DAWKIRST: Drive down to your local walmart
[07:29] <MrBiscuit> Lol
[07:29] <alpha> setting it up manually everytime im using a different station is a little much
[07:29] <delire> alpha: kwifimanager
[07:30] <delire> alpha: i don't use it however, i wrote my own in python.
[07:30] <alpha> delire: its lame
[07:30] <Druke> WoW is Over rated, been playing ti for a week, (mind ou i've played MMORPG for 6 years) i prefer EQ to WoW
[07:30] <MrBiscuit> How do i make a C header insto a .bin file
[07:30] <itz> HappyFool, it says nothing
[07:30] <delire> alpha: right, ok.
[07:30] <MrBiscuit> Everquest is really really old
[07:30] <HappyFool> itz: ok, what does 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hde| grep hde5' say ?
[07:30] <MrBiscuit> But still cool
[07:30] <alpha> delire: it really doesn't work well
[07:30] <delire> alpha: what do you need it to do?
[07:30] <BiSK-8> hello
[07:31] <MrBiscuit> Druke: Do you emu it in Linux or just use windows
[07:31] <alpha> delire: find a ap and then put in the key and work
[07:31] <Druke> anyways i'm ahving trouble DL'n java SKD dependencies from http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/
[07:31] <HappyFool> itz: do you know what's on /dev/hde5? is it your main ubuntu partition, or what ?
[07:31] <BiSK-8> can any1 tell me how to install a theme on gnome?
[07:31] <Druke> MrBiscuit, windows, i dont play anymore, to many other things
[07:31] <my_haz> Hey chkrootkit just returned that my em0 is on promiscus mode
[07:31] <MrBiscuit> Druke: Why don't youjust d/l the SDK from the java sun sight
[07:31] <alpha> delire: now all it does is and say 100% connect to N/A
[07:31] <MrBiscuit> site*
[07:31] <delire> alpha: the key support is not really well looked after in linux. i use iwconfig for this.
[07:31] <my_haz> this may mean i have a sniffer , how do i fix?
[07:31] <Panzerboy> Dr_Willis: don't use us.
[07:31] <Panzerboy> uos
[07:31] <Panzerboy> ups
[07:31] <Panzerboy> sorrt
[07:32] <Panzerboy> sorry*
[07:32] <Panzerboy> i meant Druke
[07:32] <itz> HappyFool, i think its /home but now im getting unsure... even though i cant check any on hde5 and thats my installed drive so something is fucked
[07:32] <alpha> delire: i was hoping someones made a good app
[07:32] <BiSK-8> can any1 tell me how to install a theme on ubuntu??????????
[07:32] <delire> alpha: eg iwconfig eth0 key 0123-4567-89
[07:32] <itz> /dev/hde5           30261       30401     1132551   82
[07:32] <Druke> Panzerboy, ok so i should just use sun's?
[07:32] <Panzerboy> Druke: you can use the mail archive.ubuntu.com
[07:32] <Panzerboy> main
[07:32] <cmatheson> Druke: i like sun's better
[07:32] <Druke> ok
[07:32] <delire> alpha: i can give you my script, but i don't have key support in there.
[07:32] <kbrooks> itz, did you even use 4 partitions
[07:32] <alpha> delire: what about wpa
[07:32] <Panzerboy> :)
[07:32] <Druke> cmatheson, alright
[07:32] <MrBiscuit> Yea Druke
[07:32] <HappyFool> itz: wasn't there something on the end there?
[07:32] <MrBiscuit> Go SUN!
[07:32] <Druke> okies on it
[07:32] <cmatheson> Druke: it's not too hard to install... just just slap it in /usr/local/opt or something like that
[07:32] <Druke> thanks
[07:33] <itz> HappyFool,  no?
[07:33] <alpha> delire: web is near useless i can crack in in 5minutes
[07:33] <delire> alpha: all mine does is look for an AP, present the strength, provide a choice as to which one to connect to and ifupdown.
[07:33] <HappyFool> itz: hrm. just a moment
[07:33] <MrBiscuit> I installed java bcuz i needed juno for linux
[07:33] <Panzerboy> Druke: you want the jre or the jdk ?
[07:33] <delire> alpha: yeah, wep is pretty poor
[07:33] <HappyFool> itz: 82 is linux swap
[07:33] <Druke> JDK
[07:33] <MrBiscuit> But it still says Java - Command not found
[07:33] <itz> HappyFool, ok cant i check that?
[07:33] <Panzerboy> ok
[07:33] <HappyFool> itz: err. i don't think so
[07:33] <HappyFool> itz: it's not really a fs
[07:33] <HappyFool> itz: why do you want to do this checking?
[07:33] <kbrooks> itz: 4 partitions being (in  order of importance): /usr /var /tmp /home
[07:33] <delire> alpha: are you more talking about 'iwconfig eth0 key s:password [1] ' kind of stuff? eg password support?
[07:34] <itz> but cant u do a surface scan like in win? stuff dissappearing on hde...
[07:34] <djp> just a little reminder regarding java... http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html for those interested you understand ;)
[07:34] <alpha> delire: i just want something that works
[07:34] <HappyFool> itz: you can try 'badblocks' -- you probably want to have a boot cd for that, though
[07:34] <delire> alpha: does kwifi manager have key support? can't remember
[07:34] <HappyFool> itz: i think the fsck's only check filesystem integrity, though I may be wrong
[07:34] <itz> Argh why is everything this pain in the butt on linux :/
[07:35] <alpha> delire: yeah but only 11b
[07:35] <MrBiscuit> What is the zcast1_6.jar and the bwt300.jar, and where can i find them
[07:35] <delire> alpha: i know many people that really like it, i don't know why it doesn't work there. perhaps file a bug if you think that may be the case.
[07:35] <HappyFool> itz: there's also a smartmontools package
[07:35] <itz> in win its just some clicks
[07:35] <delire> alpha: ahah, not 'g.
[07:35] <HappyFool> itz: so it goes
[07:35] <delire> alpha: that is crap. perhaps see the webpage and check if there's a development version in the works.
[07:35] <alpha> delire: im in china and have around 1000 people in a 1km area so no way will i use wep
[07:36] <MrBiscuit> Alpha proves a strong point there
[07:36] <itz> HappyFool, anyway i can see inconcistency on a fsck -c so how do i do that on my hde drive?  argh.. maybe i need to see whats what first w8...
[07:36] <MrBiscuit> Umm does anyone here know php fairly well
[07:36] <alpha> MrBiscuit: i just can understand why wifi support in linux is so poor
[07:36] <delire> alpha: hehe
[07:36] <HappyFool> itz: you need to figure out what is mounted where, try to unmount it and run fsck
[07:36] <MrBiscuit> Heh. i have dialup
[07:37] <alpha> delire: its interesting
[07:37] <HappyFool> itz: or, in a worst case, remount read-only, as we've shown you how
[07:37] <MrBiscuit> And i have a very cheesey driver
[07:37] <hd420> grrr...
[07:37] <delire> alpha: it's on my big todo list in the coming years
[07:37] <hd420> I fux0red up apt
[07:37] <alpha> delire: ive been here for around 4months teaching english
[07:37] <MrBiscuit> Anyone know Php fairly well
[07:37] <hd420> is there a way for it to say refresh broken dependencies?
[07:38] <MrBiscuit> I need help with somthing
[07:38] <HappyFool> MrBiscuit: isn't there a #php ?
[07:38] <alpha> delire: $35usd/hr
[07:38] <philip_> how easy is upgrading one version of ubuntu to the next release, is it possible by apt?
[07:38] <itz> HappyFool, so hde1 is my "homedir" according to fstab but that drive says busy all time.....
[07:38] <MrBiscuit> I dunno... Ill look
[07:38] <delire> alpha: right, good. i'd like to see this superpower in it's late adolescene.
[07:38] <Druke> I know how to use a .rpm, how do i use an -rpm.bin?
[07:38] <Panzerboy> Druke: execute it
[07:38] <HappyFool> itz: well, you're logged in
[07:38] <Panzerboy> do a ls -la
[07:38] <itz> HappyFool, i try that drive in resque mode... hehe
[07:38] <Panzerboy> and see if it has the x :)
[07:38] <HappyFool> itz: go for it
[07:39] <itz> :p
[07:39] <delire> Druke: chmod +x it first then ./file.bin
[07:39] <Druke> delire, ah ok thanks
[07:39] <delire> Panzerboy: yes, best to check.
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> rpm.bin ? we talking about suns java installer here?
[07:39] <Druke> Dr_Willis, aye
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> Druke,  you proberly want to check the ubuntu wiki's and forums for a better way to install it then useing that.
[07:39] <alpha> delire: http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager/ check this out
[07:40] <alpha> delire: looks very promising
[07:40] <Druke> Dr_Willis, alright
[07:40] <Panzerboy> Dr_Willis: it's about the jdk not the jre
[07:40] <brad> why am i getting MD5sum mismatch errors while using apt
[07:40] <delire> alpha: hmm, you're right.
[07:40] <hd420> does apt have a rescue mode or do i need to reinstall the whole system?
[07:40] <hd420> i screwed up apache pretty badly
[07:40] <delire> alpha: there may be some info on kwifimanager here of use: http://kwifimanager.sourceforge.net/
[07:41] <chrissturm> hd420, what did you do?
[07:41] <delire> brad: did you apt-get update first?
[07:41] <amittp> Hi, can anyone help me with this. I have router at my home. And my pc is connected through this. I want to run ssh on it, but not sure how i access it from outside
[07:41] <brad> delire : yes
[07:41] <HappyFool> brad: you in the US ? the us apt mirror was broken over the weekend, afaik
[07:41] <hd420> chrissturm: edited the config file manually, removed parts of it without realising it, etc.
[07:41] <Panzerboy> amittp: you need to do port forwarding from the router to the pc
[07:41] <amittp> running ifconfig shows only eth-0 interface with 192.x.x.x ip
[07:41] <delire> alpha: i'd grab that snapshot and give it a try. ever compiled softare before?
[07:41] <Panzerboy> amittp: this depends on the router
[07:42] <Panzerboy> amittp: it's speciffic for every router
[07:42] <brad> happyfool, yes im in the US, noticed it yesterday was hoping it would fix itself overnight heh
[07:42] <alpha> delire:  yeah ive tempted to
[07:42] <alpha> delire: i wish it was a package
[07:42] <HappyFool> brad: you can change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:42] <Panzerboy> amittp: you need to forward port 22 TCP to the pc
[07:42] <hd420> don't tell me i need to reinstall from scratch now?
[07:42] <chrissturm> hd420: you can completely remove it with synaptic, and then install it again
[07:42] <brad> happyfool : thank you
[07:42] <delire> amittp: you'll need to setup port forwarding to the internal IP from the router.
[07:42] <Panzerboy> amittp: so check out the router's manual
[07:43] <hd420> chrissturm: ok... i'll try that
[07:43] <Panzerboy> amittp: on how to do port forwarding
[07:43] <amittp> Panzerboy, thanks
[07:43] <amittp> delire, ty
[07:43] <hd420> synaptic -- command not found
[07:43] <delire> amittp: my wording was bad, Panzerboy is clearer.
[07:44] <MrBiscuit> I am Corn Holio
[07:44] <MrBiscuit> I need TPfor my bunghole!
[07:44] <delire> alpha: you can try building a debian package using build-package via dpkg-deb
[07:44] <delire> alpha: grab the source and i'll take you through a compile if you like.
[07:45] <alpha> delire: i have the tarball
[07:45] <delire> alpha: that said, it looks like rpm's are around. perhaps see rpmfind.net first
[07:45] <hd420> chriss: where would synaptic be on my system?
[07:45] <amittp> Panzerboy, there is something called as d-zone, if i set my pc for in that zone, will it work?
[07:45] <alpha> delire: how do i use the rpms i have them as well
[07:45] <delire> alpha: using 'alien' perhaps we can then create a debian package.
[07:45] <nalioth> delire: how does your method differ from apt-get build-dep <pkg> && apt-get source- b <pkg>  ?
[07:46] <delire> alpha: alien is excellent for this.
[07:46] <Panzerboy> amittp: i have no idea, maybe
[07:46] <cmatheson> alpha: alien seems to work ok, but it's a gross hack... if you can build from source or something that would be a lot better
[07:46] <hd420> oh, i might add that this is a headless box a few timezones away
[07:46] <Panzerboy> amittp: i guess that's a DMZ
[07:46] <amittp> Panzerboy, according to manual that gives direct access
[07:46] <delire> nalioth: it doesn't really.
[07:46] <amittp> yep dmz
[07:46] <Panzerboy> amittp: what router do you have?
[07:46] <SDFH_Linux> guys is it safe to move to gcc 4.0 and mozilla 1.04 from backports?
[07:46] <Panzerboy> amittp: then i guess it will work
[07:46] <brad> I did
[07:46] <amittp> Panzerboy, its d-link router
[07:46] <Panzerboy> amittp: but you should be able to do port forwarding only to some ports
[07:47] <amittp> Panzerboy, vague reply, i will have to look in for model number :D
[07:47] <Panzerboy> amittp: :)
[07:47] <delire> amittp: Panzerboy is right. it would have to be a very poor router for this to not be the case.
[07:47] <Panzerboy> amittp: i guess on the d-link site there must be a manual
[07:47] <SDFH_Linux> so nothing break movinig to firefox 1.0.4 and gcc 4.0?
[07:47] <amittp> delire, meaning?
[07:47] <SDFH_Linux> will*
[07:47] <alpha> delire: so compile it is
[07:47] <pax> on a new 80G HD, installing ubuntu, and knowing a complete bloated installed wouldn't take more than 6G. How much space would you give to /  , /usr , /var , /etc , and /home ?
[07:47] <Panzerboy> amittp: but afaik d-link makes good hardware
[07:47] <HappyFool> hd420: /usr/sbin/synaptic
[07:47] <delire> amittp: port forwarding is a standard feature of any modern router.
[07:47] <HappyFool> hd420: it's an X-window app -- you have X-forwarding or whatever?
[07:48] <delire> alpha: ok, what is the suffix of the tar ball?
[07:48] <itz> HappyFool, drive busy in resque mode like last time i treid o forgot starting to get messy :/
[07:48] <amittp> delire, ok, let me just look into port forwarding :) thats for suggestions Panzerboy
[07:48] <Panzerboy> amittp: even on my strange siemens router i was able to do port fortwarding :)
[07:48] <HappyFool> itz: this is /dev/hde1 ?
[07:48] <Panzerboy> amittp: you're welcome :)
[07:48] <hd420> HappyFool: my whole system is now screwed up
[07:48] <amittp> Panzerboy, s/tants/thanks
[07:48] <hd420> lovely
[07:48] <itz> HappyFool, yes
[07:48] <delire> amittp: anytime
[07:48] <cmatheson> pax: it seems like (at least for me on a desktop machine (obviously servers are different), all my space is in /home (because i'm keeping all my movies/mp3s there...) so i would allocate most of the space there
[07:48] <nalioth> delire: catch me later, then
[07:49] <hd420> I'll just do a backup of my home directory and reinstall from scratch this evening
[07:49] <HappyFool> itz: you're in rescue mode?
[07:49] <itz> yes i was
[07:49] <hd420> it's entirely annoying
[07:49] <delire> nalioth: ok, ciao
[07:49] <Druke> where should i instal the jdk?
[07:49] <hd420> synaptic isn't installing
[07:49] <hd420> because apt is fux0red
[07:49] <nalioth> delire: catch me later re dpkg vs apt-get
[07:49] <HappyFool> hd420: you can try 'sudo /usr/bin/aptitude'  -- text 'ui' for apt.
[07:49] <Panzerboy> hd420: slow down
[07:49] <cmatheson> Druke: i tend to put it in /usr/local/opt/jdk-<fooversion>
[07:49] <Panzerboy> hd420: take a deep breath
[07:49] <nalioth> delire: i'm in learning mode today
[07:49] <pax> cmatheson: yes, but how much would you give to root /etc /usr /vaar ?
[07:50] <alpha> delire: gz
[07:50] <delire> nalioth: ahah, you want to know about dpkg-deb ?
[07:50] <Panzerboy> hd420: and now ... what exactly is the problem?
[07:50] <uber_newber> is there a way to install my lynksis wireless b usb network adapter thru synaptic?
[07:50] <itz> HappyFool, when trying that yes i was... i tried that before also but i was unsure.. tryed remounting it ro but nothing happened
[07:50] <delire> alpha: ok, 'tar xvzf file.tar.gz'
[07:50] <nalioth> delire: i DID ask about it a few minutes ago (was gonna sit in on your class)
[07:50] <rob_lt> Druke, why not use "java-package" to create a .deb and let dpkg take care of it?
[07:50] <Panzerboy> delire: you're a teacher?
[07:51] <nalioth> Panzerboy: we are all teachers
[07:51] <hd420> Panzer: i need to force a reinstallation of apache, any idea of how to do this?
[07:51] <delire> nalioth: hehe not a good class day today, we're going to compile this wifi manager and also, it's too hot to think here in barcelona..
[07:51] <rob_lt> what's the bot's name in here?
[07:51] <delire> Panzerboy: yes
[07:51] <Panzerboy> delire: cool :)
[07:51] <Panzerboy> rob_lt: ubotu
[07:51] <cmatheson> pax: well /etc is just text files, it's obviously not going to need more than a few meg (maybe give it 60M to be really generous... /usr will be bigger, give that one 10G, /var shouldn't get too big unless you're running database stuff... give it a few hundred meg.  These are obviously just estimates, but they should be pretty decent for a desktop system... then again, you can always resize if they're too big/too small
[07:51] <delire> nalioth: you're a good teacher yourself, i've watched you here.
[07:51] <Panzerboy> hd420: can't you just apt-get purge it ?
[07:51] <HappyFool> itz: mounting /home read-only while logged in with gnome (or kde) is probably not a great idea
[07:51] <Druke> rob_lt, the .deb gave errors
[07:51] <hd420> no
[07:52] <HappyFool> itz: what does 'mount|grep /dev/hde1' say?
[07:52] <hd420> panzer: no, that's the problem
[07:52] <nalioth> delire: just wanted to know the diffs tween source buildin with dpkg vs apt (same result)
[07:52] <alpha> delire: then ./install?
[07:52] <itz> HappyFool, i dl live cd and try from there... seems like the only thing... maybe its due to my lack of knowledge but at least i get the job done then,.. do i need to do anything special in bootup at live cd so it doesnt mess with hde drive?
[07:52] <Druke> ./j2sdk_1.4.2_08-1_i386.deb: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[07:52] <Druke> ./j2sdk_1.4.2_08-1_i386.deb: line 1: `!<arch>'
[07:52] <hd420> apaxhe isn't even shown as installed
[07:52] <rob_lt> Druke, when you tried to create it with make-jpkg?
[07:53] <Panzerboy> Druke: sudo dpkg -i blabla.deb
[07:53] <Djhasis> Does anyone know how to change the port of gnome's vnc-service?
[07:53] <HappyFool> itz: whatevr it does, you can unmount it
[07:53] <Druke> rob_lt, i have not will try
[07:53] <rob_lt> Druke, dpkg -i j2sdk_1.4.2_08-1_i386.deb
[07:53] <HappyFool> itz: the livecd won't write to hard-drive by default
[07:53] <delire> alpha: the extraction process would have created a folder. cd into it and then look for a file called 'INSTALL', if not present, 'README'.
[07:53] <rob_lt> Druke, or install "java-package" and make your own deb with the command make-jpkg that comes with it.
[07:53] <itz> HappyFool, m
[07:53] <pax> cmatheson: thx. I believe the best way to find out is to have just / and /home. Give the first 30G and the rest to /home .. then install all the junk and check how much space each is using
[07:53] <cmatheson> Djhasis: i'm just guessing but their may be a gconf setting (try browsing around in gconf-editor)
[07:53] <rob_lt> Druke, you install individual .deb files with dpkg -i
[07:53] <delire> alpha: we're going to look for dependencies required on the system in order to built the software.
[07:53] <Panzerboy> hd420: what's the output of sudo apt-get purge apache?
[07:53] <kestas> anyone here got a mac?
[07:53] <pax> delire: how can I attend the class?
[07:53] <itz> HappyFool, /dev/hde1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[07:54] <cmatheson> pax: yeah, that sounds like a reasonable solution
[07:54] <Druke> rob_lt,  i see
[07:54] <HappyFool> itz: so it's not /home, it's /
[07:54] <itz> HappyFool, it wont even use harddrive to swapfile or anything?
[07:54] <hd420> Panzer: invalid operation purge
[07:54] <itz> HappyFool, yes
[07:54] <HappyFool> itz: anyway, the livecd sounds like a plan to me if you have the bandwidth
[07:54] <Panzerboy> hd420: apt-get -f install ?
[07:54] <HappyFool> itz: i don't think so
[07:54] <bluefoxicy> digitalfox:  hi
[07:54] <itz> HappyFool, yes i do... is it a problem that its / ?
[07:54] <nuttychicken> anyone know of an ide for c/c++ i'm new to linux?
[07:55] <HappyFool> itz: the whole idea is you can run it on a system and not touch the hard-drive
[07:55] <hd420> "is already at newest version"
[07:55] <delire> pax: hehe no class today, i'm a graphics programmer, game developer. i teach comp sci students how to make computer games and interactive software using free software.
[07:55] <Panzerboy> nuttychicken: kdevelop
[07:55] <pax> cmatheson: the thing is, this box is a learning ground, so it will be a server + desktop, so kinda hard to decide on space
[07:55] <HappyFool> itz: not especially
[07:55] <Panzerboy> nuttychicken: or eclipse + ctp
[07:55] <Druke> what can i use tom compile a java program now? gcc?
[07:55] <nalioth> nuttychicken: you mean like kdevelop?
[07:55] <nuttychicken> gnome? kdevelop?
[07:55] <Panzerboy> nuttychicken: or anjuta
[07:55] <HappyFool> itz: if you want a 'surface' scan, you probably want badblocks, not fsck
[07:55] <pax> delire: can I attend the class just to get free games? :p
[07:55] <Panzerboy> nuttychicken: you can use anjuta
[07:55] <itz> HappyFool, ok ill do that later... livecd is fun to have anyway... damn disturbing though.....
[07:55] <cmatheson> pax: yeah that's true
[07:55] <rob_lt> Druke, javac?
[07:56] <nalioth> Druke: gcj is normally used to compile java, iirc
[07:56] <rdamato> I'm no Linux newbie, but I must admit that the base install of Ubuntu makes installing Win98 look hard!
[07:56] <Druke> rob_lt, didn't realize that was a compiler ok thanks
[07:56] <cmatheson> pax: i'm running a bunch of stuff on this desktop (it's my desktop/testing ground here at work), so i got the same thing going on
[07:56] <Panzerboy> rdamato: :)
[07:56] <delire> pax: hehe sure.. come to denmark or spain and i'll give you a free class.
[07:56] <itz> HappyFool, maybe but i know when i drive is bad u see it on fsck also... at least as inconcistency
[07:56] <HappyFool> itz: be careful with badblocks -- read the man page carefully
[07:56] <itz> HappyFool, ok
[07:56] <Panzerboy> nalioth: only for the "free" java
[07:56] <nuttychicken> sorry may show my linux ignorance but will kdevelop work in gnome?
[07:56] <rob_lt> Druke, as far as I know (I don't use java much), java is the jvm, and javac is the compiler
[07:56] <HappyFool> itz: depends where the corruption happened
[07:56] <rdamato> I love this os, I'm a BSD convert!
[07:56] <Panzerboy> for sun's jvm, it's javac
[07:56] <HappyFool> itz: though i'm definitely no fs guru
[07:56] <pax> delire: oh so you are a real life teacher, I was thinking online classes
[07:56] <hd420> I'm thinking of going back to FreeBSD
[07:56] <itz> HappyFool, well sine like 30gb is lost it should be found either way
[07:56] <nalioth> Panzerboy: ok, then
[07:57] <Druke> rob_lt,  nalioth says to use gcj
[07:57] <nalioth> nuttychicken: yes, kde apps work fine in gnome
[07:57] <HappyFool> itz: ouch
[07:57] <hd420> it's package system is infintely saner than apt
[07:57] <synap> heya mates, ubuntu feels very nice, tho I keep getting md5 mismatches on package install, any ide?
[07:57] <itz> HappyFool, tell me about it
[07:57] <synap> idea
[07:57] <rob_lt> Druke, ok
[07:57] <nalioth> !usrepos
[07:57] <ubotu> from memory, usrepos is if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:57] <nalioth> synap: read ^^^^^
[07:57] <rdamato> FreeBSD has better security i've heard--haven't verified this.
[07:57] <nuttychicken> thanks for the help everyone
[07:57] <synap> aah alright, will do that
[07:57] <synap> thanks
[07:57] <Panzerboy> Druke: if you have sun's jdk installed, use javac
[07:58] <Panzerboy> Druke: if you want to use the free java implementation from gnu, use gcj
[07:58] <Druke> Panzerboy, alright
[07:58] <synap> thank you
[07:58] <delire> alpha: how are you going there?
[07:58] <pax> cmatheson: too bad Ubuntu doesn't have a sophesticated install system, where it ask what the box will be used for, then suggest two partions for Desktop or several for server .. Debian got something like that
[07:58] <alpha> delire: it needs iwlib.h i tried an compile and it died saying i need wireless-tools
[07:58] <Panzerboy> pax: the installer in ubuntu is exactly debian's installer
[07:58] <Panzerboy> :)
[07:58] <rdamato> True that
[07:58] <alpha> delire: but i have wireless tools
[07:58] <pax> is it?
[07:58] <Panzerboy> yeah
[07:59] <synap> aah thank you, last question, what is a good wireless network finder tool ?
[07:59] <pax> I missed that I guess
[07:59] <Djhasis> cmatheson, Is there any other way to change the port of vnc cause I can't install gconf with apt-get cause it can't install liborbit0_0.5.17-11.1_i386.deb and oaf_0.6.10-3_i386.deb
[07:59] <brad> well its debians new installer
[07:59] <randykay> Hello All.
[07:59] <rob_lt> synap, kismet
[07:59] <Druke> rob_lt, how do i execute a compilied program with javac
[07:59] <Panzerboy> brad's correct, it's the installer sarge uses
[07:59] <randykay> How's Breezy comin'.  Ready for daily use yet?
[07:59] <kbrooks> bbl
[08:00] <Djhasis> cmatheson, I downloaded those files to apt's archive-folder but the md5 of those isn't the same what apt want's them to be
[08:00] <nalioth> randykay: sure, on an extra box
[08:00] <Panzerboy> Druke: with javac you only compile it, to run it, you use the "java" program
[08:00] <delire> alpha: yes, you need the development files for wireless-tools
[08:00] <rob_lt> Druke, if it is compiled, run it with java /path/to/java/app, or you might even be able to make it executable and ./programname it
[08:00] <nalioth> Djhasis: read the last thing ubotu said
[08:00] <hd420> errors were encountered installing apache...
[08:01] <hd420> How do i find out what the errors were?
[08:01] <randykay> nalioth:  I guess I won't upgrade Hoary on my main box just yet then.
[08:01] <Druke> rob_lt,  alright java /path/ works, thank you, how do i create an executable?
[08:01] <cmatheson> pax: yeah that would be nice to have a seperate route for the server install
[08:01] <nalioth> randykay: i'd wait til it says "release candidate"
[08:01] <alpha> delire: which section would those be in
[08:01] <delire> alpha: the source tarball of wireless-tools contains this file. you may need to change the path in the MAKEFILE to link against this file during compilation. if you like we can just try the *.rpm
[08:01] <cmatheson> Djhasis: you need to change all the 'us.archive' lines to just 'archive.bu...' in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:01] <rob_lt> Druke, is this something you compiled yourself?
[08:01] <Panzerboy> Druke: chmod u+x /path/to/java/app
[08:02] <Panzerboy> i am not sure though it will be recognized by the system
[08:02] <hd420> cmatheson: i just did that, it's no better
[08:02] <HappyFool> !usrepos
[08:02] <ubotu> it has been said that usrepos is if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:02] <pax> cmatheson: ubuntu is newb oriented, so I doubt they will come up with something like that tho
[08:02] <delire> alpha: here, in debian, there is only the binary package for wireless-tools. i got the source tarball from the wireless-tools page.
[08:02] <randykay> nalioth: Any way to get Gnome 2.11 in Hoary without breaking it?
[08:02] <Druke> rob_lt, yes, thanks Panzerboy
[08:02] <cmatheson> hd420: you need to apt-get update
[08:02] <nalioth> randykay: with linux all things are possible, how talented are you?
[08:02] <Panzerboy> randykay: use garnome :)
[08:02] <rdamato> Is there an FTP server package for Ubuntu?
[08:02] <nalioth> rdamato: several
[08:02] <rasputnik> rdamato: lots, apt-cache search ftp
[08:02] <rdamato> Recommendations?
[08:03] <cmatheson> pax: yeah, possibly not... however there is the 'server' option when you start the install cd... it seems like they could just make a whole seperate installer (or at least seperate config options in the staller)
[08:03] <zyth> MS IIS
[08:03] <pax> rdamato: apt-cache is your friend
[08:03] <Druke> rob_lt, i have the java file and the class file in a folder
[08:03] <itz> rdamato, ill recomend proftd
[08:03] <rasputnik> rdamato: proftpd did me well, easy to learn if you know apache
[08:03] <itz> rdamato, ill recomend proftpd
[08:03] <randykay> Panzerboy: I never could get that to complete.
[08:03] <delire> alpha: if i were you i would 'wget -c http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager/0.4/NetworkManager-0.4-11.cvs20050506.i386.rpm && sudo alien NetworkManager-0.4-11.cvs20050506.i386.rpm', then use 'dpkg -i file.deb' to install the generated debian package.
[08:03] <rob_lt> Druke, if you want to be able to run it as though it was a normal program, you will likely have to create a small bash script, make the script executable, and place it in your path
[08:03] <randykay> nalioth: I think I'm about a mid-grade.
[08:03] <rdamato> Thanx, Apache I know...
[08:03] <rdamato> Will try proftpd
[08:03] <rob_lt> #!/bin/bash
[08:03] <rob_lt> java /path/
[08:03] <pax> cmatheson: I spoke too soon I guess, never knew there's a server option
[08:03] <Panzerboy> randykay: in that case, i doubt you would be able to get it into hoary
[08:03] <rob_lt> Druke, like those two lines ^^^
[08:03] <Druke> rob_lt, alright thanks once again
[08:03] <benkong2> if i replace 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain with 127.0.0.1 benkong2.ath.cx which is my dyndns address what will happen?
[08:04] <nalioth> randykay: Panzerboy suggested gargnome
[08:04] <Djhasis> cmatheson, nalioth, ubotu still apt says the same annoying error
[08:04] <rob_lt> Druke, np
[08:04] <kutucape> or jhbuild
[08:04] <zyth> benkong2, don't replace it, add the alias
[08:04] <hd420> does apt have a verbose mode so i can see what the exact problem is?
[08:04] <Djhasis> I changed the server but it just doesn't properly work
[08:04] <benkong2> zyth, thanks
[08:04] <Panzerboy> kutucape: thanks, forgot about jhbuild :)
[08:04] <cmatheson> pax: it's still not sophisticated enough... basically it just does the same thing but not installing the 'ubuntu-desktop' package
[08:04] <cmatheson> Djhasis: paste your sources.list on the pastebin
[08:04] <zyth> benkong2, and all it'll let you do is refer to your own box as benkong2.ath.cx ...
[08:05] <HappyFool> hd420: hrm. not obviously. -V seems to just be 'verbose versions'
[08:05] <pax> cmatheson: ah ok, so full install minus X stuff
[08:05] <benkong2> zyth, I am also trying to get my box reffered to by outside folks at that address.
[08:05] <youth> okay i need help. as always. i swear i'm not this dumb most of the time.
[08:05] <delire> zyth: do you use WoW with wine?
[08:05] <zyth> delire, yes
[08:05] <randykay> nalioth: Guess I'll wait to do the whole deal with Breezy.
[08:05] <delire> zyth: if so, how is the performance?
[08:05] <cmatheson> pax: yeah, that's basically it
[08:05] <HappyFool> hd420: can you paste output at a pastebin like http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl ?
[08:06] <youth> i'm trying to get rhythmbox to work and i looekd on the forums, it says "you must install the gstreamer0.8-mad package. This package is in the universe repository"
[08:06] <youth>  how am i supposed to install this and what does the repo have to do with anything?
[08:06] <alpha> delire: k i did the the first part then dpkg
[08:06] <zyth> benkong2, you'd need to control your reverse DNS to get that to work for reverse lookups, but if you have dyndns they can refer to your system that way anyhow
[08:06] <nalioth> youth: licensing
[08:06] <youth> er. not the forums XD
[08:06] <youth> huh?
[08:06] <alpha> delire: is that it?
[08:06] <zyth> delire, 99%, the occasional graphical glitch, and I have to use a memwrapper someone on the gentoo forums came up with to get around a targeting bug
[08:07] <delire> alpha: ok so the deb generated..
[08:07] <walaber> hoping for a little help installing ubuntu: I used to have debianGNU installed, and I ran the ubuntu unstaller over it, re-formatting all linux partitions.
[08:07] <benkong2> zyth, ok so how do i get a fqdn in the system that says me.benkong2.ath.cx?
[08:07] <walaber> I had LILO for dual booting... anyway when I get to the GRUB setup in the ubuntu install, I get an error:
[08:07] <zyth> Non-authoritative answer:Name: benkong2.ath.cx Address: 65.40.165.246
[08:07] <walaber> "executing grub-install (hd0) failed"
[08:07] <alpha> delire: what do i do with the deb?
[08:07] <HappyFool> youth: see the top of that page
[08:08] <cmatheson> Djhasis: you've still got a line w/ us.archive in it
[08:08] <Djhasis> cmatheson, Did you get my msg
[08:08] <benkong2> zyth, hmm....guess its working
[08:08] <zyth> benkong2, ask your ISP nicely? they have to add the reverse DNS
[08:08] <HappyFool> youth: it has links on 'How to add repositories'
[08:08] <Djhasis> private msg
[08:08] <nalioth> youth: the different repos are there due to licensing reasons
[08:08] <cmatheson> Djhasis: check line 2
[08:08] <Djhasis> damn
[08:08] <delire> alpha: use dpkg -i to install it. 'sudo dpkg -i file.deb'
[08:08] <benkong2> I was in a local bookstore and got connection refused from ssh awhile ago
[08:08] <HappyFool> and disk space and support constraints
[08:08] <Djhasis> I didn't change every line
[08:08] <youth> happyfool; I see that but wth am I adding?
[08:08] <zyth> benkong2, I can resolve benkong2.ath.cx to your IP, no one can resolve your IP to benkong2.ath.cx
[08:08] <alpha> delire: i did sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[08:09] <zyth> benkong2, DNS updating, firewalls.. who knows?  Do you have a port open on your router?
[08:09] <delire> alpha: errors?
[08:09] <HappyFool> youth: a network location with software to be installed on your computer
[08:09] <delire> alpha: it's likely..
[08:09] <alpha> delire: nope
[08:09] <basti> how to uninstall nvidia sound drivers?
[08:09] <benkong2> zyth, yes i have 22 forwarded to my internal box
[08:09] <delire> alpha: cool, so it installed. ok, what was the filename of the debian pacakge btw?
[08:09] <Djhasis> cmatheson, thanks alot
[08:10] <youth> o.o;
[08:10] <benkong2> zyth, if you can resolve then I should be able to put up a web page etc? and hit ssh correct? I have open sshd running
[08:10] <cmatheson> Djhasis: no problem
[08:10] <Djhasis> cmatheson, can you say to me way the us-server doesn't work properly with many other files also
[08:10] <HappyFool> basti: does 'sudo nvidia-glx-config disable' give any errors ?
[08:10] <basti> HappyFool,  not the graphic drivers!
[08:10] <basti> I mean the sound ones
[08:10] <HappyFool> basti: oops
[08:10] <HappyFool> basti: my apologies
[08:10] <hd420> pasted
[08:10] <HappyFool> basti: not a clue, sorry
[08:11] <cmatheson> Djhasis: i'm not sure... there's a bunch of corrupted files (so they're not matching the md5sums (which check the integrity).  the ubuntu folks know about it and they're working on it... should be up soon i'm guessing
[08:11] <basti> my sound system is totally crazy ;(
[08:11] <MrBiscuit> *Can't hear sound
[08:11] <hd420> this is entirely insane
[08:11] <alpha> delire: i just msg'd you what it said with what i did
[08:11] <MrBiscuit> Except the beeps that come out of my tower when i backspcae to far on a terminal
[08:11] <leroj> hello everybody. XMMS won't play my files, it just keeps freezing up
[08:11] <delire> alpha: yep saw that. try 'sudo networkmanager' from the commandline
[08:12] <hd420> happyfool: #530
[08:12] <Mez> Amaranth, you here?
[08:12] <HappyFool> hd420: i'm reading it...
[08:12] <alpha> delire: command not found
[08:12] <Mez> any ops here at all ?
[08:13] <alpha> delire: i did it with caps and it came up with an error
[08:13] <delire> alpha: ok try 'N' and then hit <TAB> to see what completes. maybe it's in the list there..
[08:13] <hd420> HappyFool:excellent
[08:13] <delire> alpha: right.. what error?
[08:13] <pedingto> Is there a program where I can do cam-chat with a windows user?
[08:13] <zyth> I <3 .bash_history
[08:13] <Valandil> leroj: which config? USB-Mouse on Laptop?
[08:13] <benkong2> zyth, thanks.
[08:13] <Djhasis> cmatheson, okay, thanks alot for your help!! It's very nice to get that fast help from you :)
[08:13] <delire> alpha: have you seen 'Day of the Beast'? that's a funny flick set in madrid.
[08:13] <zyth> benkong2, np
[08:13] <HappyFool> hd420: ok, first of all, i'm not a guru -- i can only suggest some ideas
[08:13] <delire> alpha: sorry! wrong nick ;)
[08:13] <Scarecrow> Yesturday I installed Ubuntu and the mouse is lagging all the time. Any ideas how to fix this?
[08:14] <zyth> delire, but yeah, WoW is almost 100% for me on Wine on Hoary
[08:14] <hd420> Happy: ok, go on...
[08:14] <HappyFool> hd420: what command was that the output of ?
[08:14] <delire> zyth: excellent! why they wrote an Apple client and not a Linux one i don't know.
[08:14] <zyth> Scarecrow, System -> Preferences -> Mouse
[08:14] <hd420> apt-get install apache
[08:14] <Scarecrow> zyth: something specific there?
[08:14] <zyth> delire, oh, there *is* a Linux client (or was near end of beta), but for some reason...
[08:14] <leroj> Valandil, i am on a desktop PC with a USB mouse
[08:15] <delire> zyth: bastards!
[08:15] <zyth> Scarecrow, yes, the 'motion' tab
[08:15] <delire> alpha: what was the error?
[08:15] <Scarecrow> I'll have a look, thanks :)
[08:15] <alpha> delire: i pasted it to you
[08:15] <HappyFool> hd420: apt-get remove fails too ?
[08:15] <hd420> Happy: yes
[08:15] <hd420> asdoes apt-get remove --purge
[08:16] <g0rd0n> cafuego: hoary->sarge without any major trouble :)
[08:16] <delire> alpha: i didn't get it, can you paste it to a pastebin?
[08:16] <Valandil> leroj: I Had same Problem with fujitsu-siemens-Laptop. There was a conflict with usb-mouse, gafik-card and xmms. without mouse, it worked. Kernel-Upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 worked
[08:16] <youth> i don't need to uncomment universe, do it?
[08:16] <youth> i*
[08:17] <leroj> hmm
[08:17] <leroj> thanks
[08:17] <HappyFool> hd420: ok, can you paste the output of 'dpkg -s apache' to the pastebin?
[08:17] <Valandil> leroj: try system without Mouse or with ps/2 for testing
[08:17] <alpha> delire: which paste bin
[08:17] <delire> alpha: pastebin.com is fine
[08:17] <zyth> I want to make an Ubuntu WoW Guild :(
[08:17] <leroj> i'll try that later
[08:17] <Valandil> OK :-)
[08:17] <leroj> zyth, you geek :P
[08:18] <zyth> leroj, moi?! never!
[08:18] <alpha> delire: done
[08:18] <leroj> how do you get Rythmbox to play mp3's?
[08:18] <HappyFool> hd420: also, can you briefly describe your system -- architecture, how you installed, and whatever you think pertinent
[08:19] <zyth> leroj, apt-get install gstreamer-mad I do believe.
[08:19] <delire> alpha: send me the link. last post was 8mins ago according to pastebin.com here
[08:19] <Druke> how do you add something to PATH ?
[08:19] <[SemTeX] > hi, it looks like my breezy is missing /all/ these xlibs: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/529
[08:19] <[SemTeX] > any suggestions how to fix that? :/
[08:19] <zyth> [SemTeX] , by not using breezy
[08:20] <zyth> since it's all borked.
[08:20] <nalioth> leroj: gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:20] <alpha> delire: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/531
[08:20] <leroj> ah'
[08:20] <zyth> [SemTeX] , see topic.
[08:20] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell leroj restricted
[08:20] <apokryphos> hm
[08:20] <apokryphos> !restricted
[08:20] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:20] <hd420> Happy: ok
[08:21] <kutucape> leroj, download gstreamer-mad, libmad
[08:21] <delire> [SemTeX] : hehe why are you playing with breezy?
[08:21] <apokryphos> !find gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:21] <ubotu> gstreamer0.8-mad: (MAD MPEG audio decoder plugin for GStreamer), section universe/libs, is optional. Version: 0.8.8-1ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 49 kB, Installed size: 136 kB
[08:21] <HappyFool> hd420: ok, it's status is 'installed half-configured', though i guess we knew that
[08:21] <youth> what's the point in uncommenting universe?
[08:21] <apokryphos> kutucape: gotta have the 0.8 ;-)
[08:22] <kutucape> apokryphos, yeah you are right
[08:22] <apokryphos> youth: to have things that are only officially supported by Ubuntu
[08:22] <kutucape> although it's restricted
[08:22] <fumbalah> what are the new mirrors for ubuntu, i removed the us. which was what I though they were, and just made it archive., but it doesnt seeem to want to work
[08:22] <hd420> Happy: I just need to know WHAT specifically, the error is
[08:22] <[SemTeX] > delire: because i have some rare hardware to test...
[08:22] <delire> alpha: install libhal
[08:22] <kutucape> but there are many mp3's users out there
[08:22] <delire> [SemTeX] : ahah.. rare as in old?
[08:22] <HappyFool> hd420: ok, let's try to use dpkg to remove it; dpkg *does* have verbosity options
[08:22] <youth> -uses mp3s-
[08:22] <delire> alpha: here in debian it is libhal0
[08:22] <alpha> delire: done
[08:22] <HappyFool> hd420: look at 'man dpkg' -- toward the bottom there's a -D flag
[08:22] <hd420> happy: ok... what's the command?
[08:22] <delire> alpha: try again
[08:22] <youth> apokryphos; so i have to do this to add a repo to use rhytmbox?
[08:23] <alpha> delire: nope
[08:23] <apokryphos> youth: for running restricted formats you'll need Universe/Multiverse, yes
[08:23] <[SemTeX] > delire: via epia m10000 board with c3 cpu...
[08:23] <HappyFool> hd420: dpkg -D2 --purge apache
[08:23] <apokryphos> kutucape: they do.. i.e. amaroK
[08:23] <youth> apo; thanks~
[08:23] <kutucape> apokryphos, Amaranth is sux...
[08:24] <kutucape> i try to download KDE and then delete all gnome related
[08:24] <apokryphos> kutucape: ?
[08:24] <kutucape> but after 2 days, i returned back to gnome..
[08:24] <apokryphos> Whatever floats your boat
[08:24] <The_Vox> apokryphos: amarok only supports mp3 for streaming?
[08:25] <kutucape> my computer is Pentium III 1 GHz with 128 Megs and it runs smoothly with ubuntu
[08:25] <kutucape> espesially gnome
[08:25] <kutucape> rhytmbox do this...
[08:25] <apokryphos> The_Vox: no
[08:25] <HappyFool> hd420: if that doesn't give enough info, we can increase the verbosity
[08:25] <kutucape> they can play streaming audio
[08:25] <kutucape> very nice...
[08:26] <apokryphos> kutucape: so why did you return?
[08:26] <The_Vox> apokryphos: oh, ok, I thought that was what you meant :)
[08:26] <kutucape> i don't like the consept of windows like or mac os x like
[08:26] <lee_> can someone help me get openmotif on my ubuntu amd64
[08:26] <zyth> It's official, WoW 1.60 + WineHQ 05/24/05 debs + Ubuntu = WoW Goodness
[08:26] <kutucape> i like gnome the way it is
[08:26] <hd420> stlill no details
[08:27] <kutucape> i hope that the next version of gnome didn;t mimic windows or apple thingy
[08:27] <The_Vox> zyth: you forgot to +$$$ in your equation :)
[08:27] <zyth> ewhhh?
[08:27] <delire> alpha: a new error? there are likely to be many dependencies. this is not an ubuntu blessed package.
[08:27] <zyth> lol
[08:27] <leroj> i love you guys
[08:27] <charles> me too
[08:27] <delire> alpha: paste to pastebin again if necessary.
[08:27] <delire> kutucape: hehe
[08:28] <alpha> delire: same issue
[08:28] <HappyFool> hd420: ok, lets try 'dpkg -D333 --purge apache'
[08:28] <delire> alpha: same library?
[08:28] <alpha> yep
[08:28] <nalioth> kutucape: gnome and macintosh interface designers are following a study done on human-computer interfaces. neither is copying the other
[08:28] <HappyFool> hd420: please put the output of that up on the paste-bin
[08:28] <delire> alpha: try libhal-storage0
[08:28] <hd420> Happy: there is no output
[08:28] <alpha> got that already
[08:28] <HappyFool> er
[08:28] <hd420> just the same thing you saw earlier
[08:28] <alpha> delire: got that already
[08:29] <HappyFool> hd420: the apt-get output, you mean?
[08:29] <r1kk1> what is the package called that installs a debian menu into both the gnome and kde menu's?
[08:29] <kutucape> yeah, i admit that mac osx look so impress me much
[08:30] <kutucape> i want to buy it, but i dont have much money
[08:30] <hd420> it's up there now, you can see for yourself
[08:30] <delire> alpha: hmm.. ok 'ls -l /usr/lib/libhal.so.1'
[08:30] <kutucape> all the features of tiger dazzle me :D
[08:30] <leroj> i dad is leaning on buying a mac
[08:30] <leroj> *my
[08:30] <kutucape> especially the eyecandy... :D
[08:30] <hd420> kitucape: tiger is overrated as an upgrade, panther was actually worth the price, imo
[08:31] <kutucape> leroj, lucky daddy :D
[08:31] <leroj> when he bought his first computer he knew absolutley nothing about computers
[08:31] <HappyFool> hd420: -D2000 is not useful, i don't think
[08:31] <tim__> is there any way to set the multimedia keys on my keyboard to control rhythmbox?? I've got the sound ones to work (through preferences -> keyboard shortucts) and I set the next/prev track ones etc. but they dont' control rhythmbox
[08:31] <Flint> hi
[08:31] <alpha> delire: cant find the file odd
[08:31] <leroj> and he sold his favourite guitar to afford it
[08:31] <Flint> am am newbie to all this hope i have fun oh and also i am 15
[08:31] <leroj> he used to play quake :D
[08:31] <jpatrick> I'm 14
[08:31] <kutucape> tim__, it doesn't have any control keys, IMO
[08:32] <HappyFool> hd420: anyyway, my last idea is to try --force-remove-requireinst
[08:32] <Flint> jpatrick,  are you anygood?
[08:32] <kutucape> leroj, thank god i found ubuntu...
[08:32] <CarlFK> how do I get a DVD enabled cdrecord?
[08:32] <hd420> Happy: dpkg --force-remove-requireinst --purge apache ?
[08:32] <kutucape> CarlFK, use gnomebaker
[08:32] <CarlFK> I read /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.DVD.Debian - the instructions didn't work
[08:32] <tim__> kutucape, bummer
[08:32] <HappyFool> hd420: no, sorry
[08:32] <Flint> Dont you guys think that Windown Longhorn has ripped of gdesklets?
[08:33] <delire> alpha: now 'ls -l /usr/lib/libhal.*'
[08:33] <kutucape> Flint, longhorn is su*k
[08:33] <HappyFool> dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq --purge apache
[08:33] <CarlFK> kutucape - will that make cdrecord work with my dvd burner?
[08:33] <nalioth> CarlFK: google "cdrecord prodvd"
[08:33] <kutucape> CarlFK, yes
[08:33] <Flint> kutucape,  how do you know?
[08:33] <kutucape> just try it...
[08:33] <HappyFool> hd420: and finally, 'dpkg --force-all --purge apache'
[08:33] <Flint> Lmfao all microsoft sucks
[08:33] <Flint> oops sorry i am not ment to say this hear am i
[08:33] <mumbles> hiya
[08:33] <kutucape> some screenshot of longhorn make me confuse
[08:34] <mumbles> im having a ubuntu isshue
[08:34] <Will_> kutucape: Why?
[08:34] <kutucape> where the active an inactive windows?
[08:34] <kutucape> sorry OOT
[08:34] <CarlFK> kutucape - I have a feeling it will want X, which I don't have.  - any way to just get the cdrecord part?
[08:34] <nalioth> CarlFK: google "cdrecord prodvd"
[08:34] <Flint> kutucape,  yeah but they ripped gdesklets didnt they?
[08:34] <CarlFK> nalioth - I know that won't fix my cdrecord ;)
[08:34] <mumbles> when i install ubuntu on this machene it intsalls fune.
[08:34] <kutucape> CarlFK, i don't know about CLI thingy, i just want to make my work done
[08:35] <kutucape> Flint, absolutely
[08:35] <kutucape> karamba too
[08:35] <alpha> devios: just paste binned it
[08:35] <nalioth> CarlFK: what exactly are you wanting with cdrecord?
[08:35] <bluefoxicy> . . . I think spellchecking stopped working in breezy for thunderbird, abiword, and openoffice.org2
[08:35] <Flint> Anyone experience with themes and icons please give me a pm because the questions i am going to ask are very noobie and i wouldnt want to annoy yo guys with stupid things
[08:35] <mumbles> and when i restart and login  it crashes
[08:35] <delire> alpha: we may need to 'symlink' the existing libhal.so file to libhal.so.1 using 'cd /usr/lib && sudo ln -s libhal.so libhal.so.1 && cd'
[08:35] <CarlFK> kutucape - me too.  I have a script that uses cdrecord - don't want to have to rewrite it
[08:35] <devios> alpha: wrong nick :)
[08:35] <kutucape> it's time to use a tool to make our work done
[08:35] <hd420> Happy: still gives me an error
[08:35] <HappyFool> hd420: ok, i'm running out of ideas
[08:35] <mumbles> can anyone help ?
[08:35] <kutucape> Flint, just ask here, you are welcome here :)
[08:36] <kutucape> CarlFK, you are right, it's time that linux is not for geek only
[08:36] <CarlFK> nalioth - make both movie dvd's and data dvd's
[08:36] <uber_newber>  tar -xvzpf linux-source-2.6.10
[08:36] <uber_newber>    when i type thin in the term why do i get a bunch of errors saying no such file or directory and stuff like that
[08:36] <nalioth> Flint: the questions you ask here, can help more than you (we have lurkers here who learn, too)
[08:36] <mumbles> when i install ubuntu on this machene it intsalls fine. and when i restart and login  it crashes after i press the login button
[08:36] <nalioth> CarlFK: and yours doesnt?
[08:36] <hd420> Happy: well, better than me -- think i'll reinstall from scratch tonight
[08:37] <mumbles> just a blank screen for x time untill i get bored and restart into xp again
[08:37] <devios> mumbles: that's a weird one.  assuming your hardware is supported, I am thinking that corruption took place during install because 1) bad memory (use memtest86), 2) bad hdd (no easy way to test this)
[08:37] <Flint> fair enough ok i downloaded this:http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=26331 then i am on the desktop with a file called /home/flint/Desktop/CfG-CrystalClear-1.0.0b2.tar.bz2 now what shall i do i dont really understand the /.icons bit because it doesnt work
[08:37] <devios> mumbles: or 3) install cd's corrupt
[08:37] <HappyFool> hd420: ok, sorry i can't do better. something is pretty poked there
[08:37] <CarlFK> nalioth - "cdrecord: Found DVD media but DVD-R/DVD-RW support code is missing.
[08:37] <hd420> Happy: just as I suspected
[08:37] <mumbles> think i used 2 differnt cds on differnt occasions
[08:38] <mumbles> and the first cd worked fine on my old comtpuer
[08:38] <tim__> if setting multimedia keys to next/prev track and other audio keys in preferences->keyboard shortcuts doesn't control rhythmbox....what do they control? nothing?
[08:38] <hd420> so, it's ok
[08:38] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wireless usb network adapter, i have a driver for it but i need help installingit
[08:38] <nalioth> CarlFK: you need "prodvd" made by the same person
[08:38] <CarlFK> nalioth - "cdrecord: See /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.DVD.Debian for details on DVD support." - I did, didn't help
[08:38] <mumbles> i only get one error druing the first few moments of boot
[08:38] <mumbles> pnpacpi methord/home/crs/
[08:38] <mumbles> thats all i could right down before it flashed past
[08:39] <Flint> can anyone help me instal lthe icon set in terminal?
[08:39] <delire> alpha: to find out all the files the binary (in /usr/bin) will be looking for at execution time do 'ldd /usr/bin/NetworkManager'
[08:39] <CarlFK> nalioth - right.  what is the ubuntu way to get prodvd?
[08:39] <jpatrick> you don't
[08:39] <jpatrick> go to themes in Kontrol Centre
[08:39] <jpatrick> Icons
[08:39] <devios> mumbles: are you sure that the system actually crashes and it's not just a monitor refresh rate or unsupported video card problem (xorg config file hacking to do?)
[08:39] <jpatrick> install it there
[08:39] <Flint> jpatrick,  can i pm you?
[08:39] <jpatrick> yep
[08:40] <nalioth> CarlFK: prodvd works for everyone
[08:40] <mumbles> devios, it crashes
[08:40] <alpha> delire: just sent it to pastebin
[08:40] <mumbles> cant go to any other screens
[08:40] <mumbles> tab and num lock dont work
[08:40] <CarlFK> nalioth - right.  what is the ubuntu way to ->get<- prodvd?
[08:40] <kutucape> Flint, copy it to .icons on your home directory
[08:41] <nalioth> CarlFK: there is no ubuntu way
[08:41] <mumbles> and can only restart by hitting the reset swtich on my case
[08:41] <delire> alpha: cheers.
[08:41] <r1kk1_> i am not sure if I caught the package name, but I want the debian menu to appear in both gnome and kde.  Which package is needed to accomplish this?
[08:41] <Flint> kutucape,  the extracted folder or the raw downloaded folder?
[08:41] <kutucape> the extracted folder
[08:41] <kutucape> be sure it's only one folder ;)
[08:41] <AlbanianLord> hello folks
[08:42] <nalioth> CarlFK: prodvd is a "free for personal use only" addition for cdrecord
[08:42] <kutucape> you may open Places > Home Folder then press Ctrl+H to show hidden files
[08:42] <qt2> does ubuntu have evdev anywhere in synaptic?
[08:42] <kutucape> helo AlbanianLord
[08:42] <kestas> r1kk1: both menus should be compatible with each other
[08:42] <AlbanianLord> I have a problem, and I was wondering if anyonce could help
[08:42] <CarlFK> nalioth - sounds like something that would be in universe/multiverse
[08:42] <kutucape> then you can paste the dierctory to .icons folder, that's it ;)
[08:43] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wireless sub network adapter, i have a driver for it but no clue how to install it
[08:43] <Flint> kutucape,  now i have a folder called /home/flint/Desktop/CfG-CrystalClear-1.0.0b2.tar.bz2_FILES and if i open it another folder called/home/flint/Desktop/CfG-CrystalClear-1.0.0b2.tar.bz2_FILES/CfG-CrystalClear-1.0.0b2
[08:43] <devios> mumbles: tried booting with knoppix?  also, try booting into memtest86 with knoppix?
[08:43] <mumbles> using knoppix now
[08:43] <mumbles> works a charm
[08:43] <mumbles> memtested it a while ago
[08:43] <AlbanianLord> so can anyone help
[08:43] <AlbanianLord> ?
[08:43] <delire> alpha: it's a bit of a mess. this rh rpm needs things with versions you don't have. i think you will have to compile it. glibc is a serious dependency you don't want to mess with.
[08:43] <kutucape> i think crystal clear must be compiled if you want to use it, IMHO
[08:43] <r1kk1_> I understand that kestas but I can't remember the package name but when you open for instance applications in gnome, a debian menu full of folders with different apps would appear
[08:43] <devios> mumbles: I probably can't help u further without any more info - sorry.
[08:44] <mumbles> what info do you need?
[08:44] <ColonelKernel> delire, he could get the src rom and rebuild it
[08:44] <Flint> kutucape,  so how do i do that?
[08:44] <nalioth> CarlFK: it may be, i'm not sure
[08:44] <alpha> delire: man so weak
[08:44] <kutucape> i'm using knoppix a while ago, but the disk it's corrupt
[08:44] <AlbanianLord> yeah, my soundcard isn't working
[08:44] <nalioth> CarlFK: but you must have an individual license for it
[08:44] <delire> ColonelKernel: yes, that's what we're going to try next
[08:44] <kutucape> should i use 750 mgs cdrom? i'm using only 700 megs
[08:44] <AlbanianLord> and it needs the ac97 codec
[08:44] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wireless sub network adapter, i have a driver for it but no clue how to install it
[08:44] <ColonelKernel> im a former fedora user and I still use centos for my server
[08:44] <AlbanianLord> but I cant figure out how to make it work
[08:45] <kutucape> Flint, for newbie, you have to avoid that... use another theme..
[08:45] <delire> alpha: that tarball you downloaded, did you go through the dependencies in the INSTALL file? install all those and then try a './configure'
[08:45] <ColonelKernel> it might work with rpmbuild --rebuild foo.src.rpm
[08:45] <devios> mumbles: not sure...  check dmesg output and syslog output for any revealing errors yet?  does ubuntu provide a way to boot to console only to avoid loading xorg/gdm so we can rule it out?
[08:45] <ColonelKernel> with kernels I think you need a --target too
[08:45] <kutucape> ups, i'm sorry, i'm misunderstood...
[08:45] <hd420> it looks like i have solved the problem, somehow
[08:46] <HappyFool> hd420: ah?
[08:46] <HappyFool> hd420: what did you do?
[08:46] <mumbles> devios,  cant swich to console mode. if i do that it also crashes
[08:46] <kutucape> i think it's a windows theme from linspire
[08:46] <hd420> if I knew what I did, it wouldn't be "somehow" happy
[08:46] <HappyFool> mumbles: try booting in recovery mode
[08:46] <kutucape> i have crystal clear too on my theme ;)
[08:46] <qt2> does ubuntu have evdev anywhere in synaptic?
[08:46] <hd420> :)
[08:46] <mumbles> think that crashes as well
[08:46] <mumbles> but will go and look
[08:46] <HappyFool> hd420: fair enough ;) what do you think you did?
[08:47] <kutucape> AlbanianLord, no pm please
[08:47] <mumbles> couse i  like ubuntu
[08:47] <delire> alpha: it's always worth trying to convert an rpm before diving into the source.
[08:47] <kutucape> just ask here...
[08:47] <AlbanianLord> sorry
[08:47] <devios> mumbles: there's got to be a way to boot directly into console, completely bypassing the loading of gdm/x...  I just don't know how.  basically, booting into runlevel 3...
[08:47] <AlbanianLord> i can't get my soundcard to work
[08:47] <kutucape> AlbanianLord, you are welcome here :)
[08:47] <AlbanianLord> thank you
[08:47] <mumbles> will try to do that,
[08:47] <Flint> kutucape,  ok but do you like the theme?
[08:47] <mumbles> will come back and tell you if its working
[08:48] <mumbles> thanks for help so far devios
[08:48] <HappyFool> devios: he can boot into recovery mode, and maybe disable gdm. Note that runlevels are different in ubuntu to redhat/suse
[08:48] <hd420> Happy: there were files ending in 'dpkg.inst.queue'; i merely copied them to httpd.conf, etc.
[08:48] <alpha> delire: hmm
[08:48] <HappyFool> hd420: erk. ok
[08:48] <devios> mumbles: trying, but not exactly that great at linux yet...
[08:48] <devios> HappyFool: thanks
[08:49] <Flint> kutucape,  so the whole clear looks stuff i shouldnt use?
[08:49] <delire> alpha: so yes, go through with installing those dependencies/development files and then try a compile.
[08:49] <AlbanianLord> kutucape, can you help
[08:49] <AlbanianLord> caan anyone help
[08:49] <alpha> delire: im in process of doing that
[08:49] <CarlFK> nalioth - apt-get install dvdrtools - that gives me dvdrecord which I think is the patched cdrecord
[08:50] <amichai> hey guys. i feel my ubuntu take long to boot up. anyway to speed that up? It runs great.
[08:51] <delire> alpha: i'm grabbing the tarball to have a look. but have to go soon..
[08:51] <nalioth> CarlFK: ok great!
[08:51] <alpha> delire: i just keep trying to compile and when it dies i just grab which ever package it needs
[08:52] <AlbanianLord> Im having a problem with alsa
[08:52] <AlbanianLord> and I cant fix it myself
[08:52] <qt2> anyone have any experince with evdev and ubuntu?
[08:52] <AlbanianLord> so if anyone can help
[08:52] <AlbanianLord> please help
[08:53] <AlbanianLord> :-(
[08:54] <alpha> delire: the question is how does knoppix do it and how can i :P
[08:54] <AlbanianLord> ARRRGH!!!
[08:54] <alpha> delire: looks like it compiled
[08:55] <AlbanianLord> can someone help or not!??!
[08:56] <Kyral> if you told us the problem.....
[08:56] <zayn_> my nick has used
[08:56] <AlbanianLord> i thought i did.. im just frustrated...
[08:56] <zayn_> kutucape, how can i change this?
[08:56] <zayn_> sorry OOT
[08:56] <AlbanianLord> alsa doesn't seem to work no matter what I do
[08:56] <delire> alpha: ok so have you already 'make'?
[08:56] <Kyral> yes, that is quite clear
[08:56] <alpha> delire: yeah and it died
[08:57] <Kyral> but there are many reasons why ALSA wouldn't work ;P
[08:57] <valix> hello
[08:57] <valix> i need some help with ubuntu
[08:57] <AlbanianLord> i have a soundcard whih needs the ac97 codec
[08:57] <AlbanianLord> kyral, you're funny
[08:58] <AlbanianLord> i get no kind of sound
[08:58] <Kyral> I have been complemented on my charming bedside manner
[08:58] <delire> alpha: hmm.. i have to go very soon. i would continue on with someone here. compiling software is always tricky. look for the point it breaks (just before the error output). there will usually be a library involved..
[08:58] <AlbanianLord> nothing
[08:58] <Kyral> didja kill ESD? Is there onboard sound?
[08:58] <AlbanianLord> i tried ko kill esd
[08:58] <CarlFK> nalioth - my script works, but it looks like the dvdrecord I got is based on a much older version of cdrecord - for instance it doesn't show the current speed
[08:58] <AlbanianLord> and it says "no process killed
[08:58] <alpha> delire: dbus
[08:59] <darksatanic> valix: Please don't /msg people
[08:59] <delire> alpha: give me a moment..
[08:59] <nalioth> CarlFK: great! (although prodvd is free for personal use, and made by joerg of cdrecord fame)
[08:59] <darksatanic> valix: If you have a problem, tell us about it.
[08:59] <valix> i need some help with ubuntu, can anybody help me?
[08:59] <Kyral> AlbanianLord, do you also have onboard sound?
[08:59] <valix> how do i start ubutnu
[08:59] <mumbles> right
[08:59] <AlbanianLord> im not exactly sure
[08:59] <valix> i loggin with user and pass
[09:00] <mumbles> im back.. using irrsi atm
[09:00] <Kyral> valix: Uhh, start the computer?
[09:00] <valix> and a command line apperas
[09:00] <valix> i can type help and some commands
[09:00] <valix> what's next?
[09:00] <mumbles> davix:- im now in recovery mode
[09:00] <delire> alpha: are you sure dbus-glib-1 is installed? also the dev files?
[09:00] <Kyral> AlbanianLord, okay, look on the back of your computer. Other than the audio jacks out of the soundcard, are there other audiojacks?
[09:01] <AlbanianLord> yeah
[09:01] <AlbanianLord> plenty of them
[09:01] <kutubuku> AlbanianLord, have you try dmesg command to investigate?
[09:01] <NetGeek> I'm getting the following error when trying to install mplayer-386 http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/537, any ideas?
[09:01] <valix> darksatanic, could you be so kind and help me?
[09:01] <Kyral> AlbanianLord, near the main set of I/O ports like the USB, Ethernet, etc?
[09:01] <alpha> delire: yeah
[09:01] <AlbanianLord> yes
[09:02] <Kyral> AlbanianLord, I believe you have onboard sound
[09:02] <Kyral> reboot, go into your BIOS, and disable it
[09:02] <darksatanic> valix: Did you try an "expert" or "server" install?
[09:02] <kHurtiZ> Can somebody recommend a good linux IRC client? I'm running gnome ... limited linux experience but used to mIRC ... so something easy to use please :)
[09:02] <AlbanianLord> disable onboard sound
[09:02] <AlbanianLord> ?
[09:02] <Kyral> kHurtiZ, X Chat
[09:02] <valix> i don't remember
[09:03] <HappyFool> kHurtiZ: x-chat's pretty easy to use
[09:03] <Kyral> AlbanianLord, yes
[09:03] <Rockett17> XChat would be the best bet
[09:03] <AlbanianLord> ill try
[09:03] <mumbles> can someone tell me the name of the package for nvida graphics cards ?
[09:03] <Kyral> You do know how to get to your BIOS, right?
[09:03] <mumbles> xchat is nice
[09:03] <HappyFool> kHurtiZ: it's also the 'default' ubuntu client, if i'm not mistaken
[09:03] <kHurtiZ> cool was on website for xchat a few mins ago, couldn't figure out which version to download. ... ... ?
[09:03] <delire> alpha: hmm, well i'd say you're close. keep at it. i'm out for now. (perhaps even email the maker and say (please give us a deb!)
[09:03] <valix> sould i install it again?
[09:03] <Rockett17> personally I prefer BitchX, but it's all command line
[09:03] <delire> out
[09:03] <icewt> NetGeek, try apt-get clean and apt-get install mplayer-386
[09:03] <AlbanianLord> i think so
[09:03] <HappyFool> kHurtiZ: are you running ubuntu?
[09:03] <ColonelKernel> mumbles, I use the one from Nvidia
[09:03] <AlbanianLord> f9 or something like that
[09:03] <darksatanic> valix: Please, don't send private messages to people.
[09:03] <Kyral> or del in my case :P
[09:03] <kHurtiZ> yeps just installed for the 1st time earlier today :)))
[09:03] <Kyral> it will tell you with something like "Press <key> to enter setup"
[09:03] <mumbles> ColonelKernel:  yeh i would but need the name of the file so i can apt get it
[09:04] <ColonelKernel> valix, its considered polite to ask first
[09:04] <AlbanianLord> yeah
[09:04] <AlbanianLord> got it
[09:04] <Kyral> BUT DON'T SCREW WITH THE BIOS WILLY NILLY!
[09:04] <AlbanianLord> but one thing
[09:04] <valix> what should i ask?
[09:04] <kHurtiZ> umm so ubuntu doesn't use RPMs afaik ??
[09:04] <Kyral> just disable the onboard sound and get out :D
[09:04] <ColonelKernel> mumbles, you would need to go to the nvidia site, download the driver and install it
[09:04] <ColonelKernel> then redo your xorg.conf
[09:04] <Kyral> kHurtiZ, Ubuntu is Debian Based
[09:04] <HappyFool> kHurtiZ: look under Applications -> Internet      X-chat should be there
[09:04] <AlbanianLord> will that screw up my windows partition sound?
[09:04] <billharps> kH - you can use "alien" to translate them
[09:04] <mumbles> using command line... and have limited experiance
[09:04] <Kyral> AlbanianLord, only if it was using the onboard sound
[09:04] <stianj> do people have problems with totem on breezy?
[09:05] <kHurtiZ> thanks all for the help, hopefuly khurtiz2 should be here soon ahaha :)
[09:05] <mumbles> took me 2 goes to get into irrsi :p
[09:05] <AlbanianLord> ill see
[09:05] <Kyral> AlbanianLord, but it sounds like you have been using the sound card, right?
[09:05] <valix> thanks a lot for your time!
[09:05] <HappyFool> kHurtiZ: to install software, use synaptic (System -> Admnistration -> Synaptic)
[09:05] <HappyFool> !apt
[09:05] <ubotu> somebody said apt was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[09:05] <AlbanianLord> ?
[09:05] <HappyFool> !repositories
[09:05] <ubotu> repositories is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:05] <pfox> hi all. is there a debian alternative to /etc/rc.local?
[09:05] <HappyFool> kHurtiZ: and read those two urls
[09:05] <AlbanianLord> can i pm you?
[09:05] <mumbles> -connect=irc.borknet.org
[09:05] <mumbles> ops ... sorry ...
[09:05] <kHurtiZ> ty will do
[09:06] <mumbles> !-connect=irc.borknet.org
[09:06] <ubotu> mumbles: I don't know, could you explain it?
[09:06] <Kyral> AlbanianLord, sure
[09:06] <mumbles> ah ... bugger
[09:06] <HappyFool> pfox: maybe /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh is what you want
[09:06] <mumbles> ubotu: i was going to try and install the nvida graphics file so that i could cross that off of my list of problems
[09:06] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, mumbles
[09:07] <pfox> HappyFool, cool. thanks
[09:07] <mumbles> or at least make shore that its not a problem with the grapics card and x
[09:07] <HappyFool> mumbles: ubotu is a bot. conversation is likely to be a bit one-sided ;)
[09:07] <nalioth> mumbles: ubotu is an artificial intelligence
[09:07] <mumbles> :p
[09:07] <khurtiz2> whoohoo! that wasn't so hard now was it :)
[09:07] <mumbles> right
[09:07] <mumbles> should of relised that
[09:08] <mumbles> :embarrisedsmiley:
[09:08] <mumbles> off to mess about with stuff
[09:08] <HappyFool> mumbles: s'ok. we think nalioth is a bot too.
[09:08] <mumbles> anyone got any idea how to get out of irrsi ?
[09:09] <HappyFool> probably /quit
[09:09] <TPC> mumbles, /exit
[09:09] <mumbles> thanks... will be back hopefully ..
[09:09] <khurtiz2> ok now for the reason I'm here. Was looking at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713 ... it suggested in step 2 that I do a few things, first being sudo apt-get install linux-686 ...... but I got a lock error: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:10] <mostrodibiscotti> I have, on my Ubuntu Hoary Hedgehog, installed webmin and samba, but samba does not show up in webmin     what gives?
[09:10] <HappyFool> kHurtiZ: you can't run apt-get while running synaptic
[09:10] <luzbelito> hi to everyone. i had problems to execute dvd on ubuntu. it says cant find dvd:/ and i had installed every plugin needed. can anyone help me please???
[09:10] <khurtiz2> d'oh ty
[09:10] <Proteque> dh0: you named after an amigapartition?
[09:11] <HappyFool> mostrodibiscotti: did you install webmin-samba (separate from webmin, afaict)
[09:11] <mostrodibiscotti> no, have not done that
[09:11] <mostrodibiscotti> let me tryu that
[09:11] <blueyed> What do I have to do, when I forgot to power on my dsl modem while booting?`Couldn't find anything in /etc/init.d/ to restart..
[09:11] <mostrodibiscotti> I had wrong syntax
[09:11] <Hikaru79> Didn't ubuntu use to have the xchat-systray plugin in apt-get? What happened to it? =/
[09:11] <mostrodibiscotti> I dodnt put a hyphen between the two
[09:11] <mostrodibiscotti> thank you very much
[09:11] <moparfan90> hello all
[09:11] <dh0> actually, no. many people think that though. my name is david hodge. my nick name is dho. (kinda like jlo). dho is taken on freenode. so i decided to use dh0.
[09:12] <stianj> blueyed: /etc/init.d/networking restart
[09:12] <Proteque> dh0: hehe okay.
[09:12] <dh0> Proteque: i am 16. havnt had any amiga experience
[09:12] <moparfan90> i am going to have a lan party at my house and dont know what game to use. i need one that has a server avalable
[09:12] <moparfan90> any ideas
[09:12] <blueyed> stianj: that did not do the trick.. was the first I've tried.. but good to know. Thanks.
[09:13] <stianj> well, it should have :)
[09:13] <blueyed> moparfan90: freeciv ;)
[09:13] <khurtiz2> hmm E: Couldn't find package linux-686 .... where does it look for the packages?
[09:13] <moparfan90> whats that?
[09:13] <Madpilot> afternoon all...
[09:13] <HappyFool> kHurtiZ: you need to setup network repositories
[09:13] <HappyFool> !apt
[09:13] <ubotu> I guess apt is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[09:13] <HappyFool> !repositories
[09:13] <ubotu> methinks repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:13] <HappyFool> !sources
[09:13] <ubotu> well, sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[09:13] <blueyed> a civilisation clone, moparfan90 .. but round-based.
[09:13] <HappyFool> kHurtiZ: try those three urls
[09:14] <khurtiz2> ty again !! sorry i'm really a n00b with linux ...
[09:14] <moparfan90> o... i ment more like first person shotter
[09:14] <luzbelito> hi to everyone. i had problems to execute dvd on ubuntu. it says cant find dvd:/ and i had installed every plugin needed. can anyone help me please???
[09:14] <blueyed> moparfan90: I could imagine.. therefor the irony smiley. :)
[09:14] <moparfan90> ok
[09:15] <n6mod> So, despite what the Wiki says, I can't login to single-user mode.
[09:15] <n6mod> Any suggestions?
[09:15] <blackout> why dont' usb storage devices mount rw by default?  why just r by default?
[09:15] <moparfan90> nope
[09:16] <blackout> and i dont' particually see an easy way to enable w access on them, other than modifying something like /etc/fstab
[09:16] <popey> aargh. nvidia driver is doing my nut. kernel 2.6.10, hoary, latest nvidia driver (not the free nv one). Once in a while my machine will refuse to run glxgears, but segfaults. It also refuses to run OO.o. If I then close X with a Ctrl+Alt+Backspace it refuses to restart X. The only thing that "makes it work" is to re-run the Nvidia driver installer/maker thing! Any ideas?
[09:16] <nalioth> luzbelito: look in /media/
[09:16] <popey> I have xorg.conf and log available if required.
[09:16] <kutubuku> blackout, because you want to write to it :D
[09:16] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wireless usb network adapter, i have a driver for it but no clue how to install it
[09:16] <blackout> kutubuku: what's wrong with wanting to write to it?
[09:17] <blackout> kutubuku: the annoying thing is that dmesg verifies that the system knows that this is a storage device
[09:17] <ColonelKernel> popey, you probably installed something that overwrote your glx libraries
[09:17] <blackout> hard to store if you can't write
[09:17] <kutubuku> hmm, it looks like kernel fault :D
[09:17] <AlexBO> hello!I've a problem with an Epson EPL 3000 Laser, that it was the first laser printer of the EPSON. Obviously there isn't a correct driver for this printer. Anybody know a generic driver for the EPSON Laser?
[09:17] <popey> hi ColonelKernel, thanks i haven't installd anything
[09:17] <kutubuku> or hal, dbus fault
[09:17] <Heimdall> hello room
[09:18] <kutubuku> AlexBO, use turboprint instead
[09:18] <supernix> One thing that comes to mind if you have universe and multiverse in your source.list then what happens when you tell synaptic to upgrade all your installed packages how can it tell if it should use the stable versions or the test versions ?
[09:18] <moparfan90> hi
[09:18] <n6mod> blackout: what kind of device? I have a Sandisk thumbdrive that works fine by default
[09:18] <AlbanianLord> welcome heimdall
[09:18] <blackout> n6mod: mounts rw?
[09:18] <n6mod> Yep
[09:18] <blackout> n6mod: i have an imation drive
[09:18] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wireless usb network adapter, i have a driver for it but no clue how to install it
[09:18] <popey> http://popey.com/xorg.conf http://popey.com/Xorg.0.log
[09:18] <AlexBO> kutubuku: what's turboprint?
[09:18] <supernix> One thing that comes to mind if you have universe and multiverse in your source.list then what happens when you tell synaptic to upgrade all your installed packages how can it tell if it should use the stable versions or the test versions ?
[09:18] <blackout> n6mod: well, that's nice to hear at least.
[09:18] <ColonelKernel> popey, what options are you using on the nvidia driver?
[09:18] <nalioth> supernix: ubuntu maintainers make sure there are no version conflict in univers and multiverse
[09:18] <popey> none now
[09:18] <n6mod> blackout: Does it have a physical write-protect switch you might have bumped?
[09:19] <supernix> thanks nalioth
[09:19] <nalioth> supernix: not so with 'nonofficial' repos (which is why a lot of systems break)
[09:19] <supernix> ah
[09:19] <popey> http://popey.com/xorg.conf is my xorg.conf
[09:19] <dh0> would there be any reason a module wouldnt load every boot. like every other boot or something?
[09:19] <blackout> n6mod: doubtful, but i'll check.  Nope, no moving parts at all
[09:19] <Heimdall> do you know a mean to make emacs use the syntaxic highlighting automaticly ?
[09:19] <popey> the thing is if i rerun the nvidia installer it all works
[09:19] <supernix> Someone told me to enable universe and multiverse but I was scared of that very thing that I would end up mismatching my programs
[09:19] <n6mod> Hmm. Well, I can't login to my system at the moment, otherwise I'd look.
[09:19] <popey> i don't know if it's the make of the driver, the reinstall, the depmod or what that "makes it work"
[09:19] <nalioth> supernix: uni and multi are fine
[09:20] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wireless usb network adapter, i have a driver for it but no clue how to install it
[09:20] <ColonelKernel> popey, turn renderaccel off
[09:20] <nalioth> supernix: be wary of 'nonofficial' repos
[09:20] <AlexBO> kutubuntu: can I write a PV to you?
[09:20] <popey> ColonelKernel: is it default on?
[09:20] <supernix> ah thanks for the heads up
[09:20] <ColonelKernel> oh, you have it turned off
[09:20] <AlexBO> kutubuku: can I write a PV to you?
[09:20] <n6mod> Anyone know how to log in to single user mode? (AMD64/Hoary)
[09:20] <ColonelKernel> defautl its off
[09:20] <popey> i don't have it on
[09:20] <ColonelKernel> default is off I think
[09:20] <ColonelKernel> Yeah I saw the # on reexamination
[09:20] <popey> :)
[09:20] <blackout> n6mod: actually, there is a lock, but either way, it mounts r-only
[09:20] <supernix> I am just guessing but if you hit that upgrade button in synaptic then it upgrades everything right ?
[09:20] <popey> (I appreciate the help by the way)
[09:21] <kHurtiZ> hmm... how do I determine my linux boxen's eth0 IP? it's set up to dhcp, gateway is 'doze box on 192.168.0.1, connecting to internet via adsl ...
[09:21] <popey> I resorted to the nv driver so i could print a spreadsheet, but that's not a long term solution
[09:21] <popey> kHurtiZ: ifconfig
[09:21] <HappyFool> n6mod: how about 'sudo telinit 1' ?
[09:21] <nalioth> kHurtiZ: "ifconfig"
[09:21] <n6mod> blackout: OK, I'll look at my setup as soon as I can get in to my machine.
[09:21] <kHurtiZ> ah of course ty
[09:21] <blackout> n6mod: thanks, no hurry, i probably won't still be here
[09:21] <n6mod> HappyFool: that would require a prompt...
[09:21] <blackout> my big question is - why doesn't usb-storage == mount rw?
[09:22] <kHurtiZ> recommended ssh 'doze client?
[09:22] <n6mod> HappyFool: I did something dumb and filled up /, now I can't log in, and with root disabled, recovery doesn't work
[09:22] <blackout> why should i have to do ANYTHING?
[09:22] <popey> kHurtiZ: putty
[09:22] <n6mod> HappyFool: Despite what the Wiki says.
[09:22] <popey> there is no other :D
[09:22] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wireless usb network adapter, i have a driver for it but no clue how to install it
[09:22] <blackout> kHurtiZ: putty.
[09:22] <AlexBO> hello!I've a problem with an Epson EPL 3000 Laser, that it was the first laser printer of the EPSON. Obviously there isn't a correct driver for this printer. Anybody know a generic driver for the EPSON Laser? I've just visited the TurboPrint site and the EPL 3000 isn't supported. Help me!
[09:22] <tyoung> Anybody know what the command-line version of the Network Settings dialog is?  I'd like to script my wireless network card to come up when I log in.
[09:23] <nalioth> kHurtiZ: putty
[09:23] <popey> tyoung: ifconfig and iwconfig
[09:23] <popey> tyoung: and route
[09:23] <HappyFool> n6mod: recovery should still work. that's odd
[09:23] <tyoung> popey: thanks - didn't know you could activate it with those.
[09:23] <HappyFool> n6mod: there should be no login prompt in recovery mode, you should just be dumped into a shell (as root)
[09:24] <n6mod> HappyFool: Yeah, that's what all the docs say, but it ain't so.
[09:24] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wireless usb network adapter, i have a driver for it but no clue how to install it
[09:24] <popey> tyoung: ifconfig eth0 192.168.129.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 up    <- that kind of thing
[09:24] <n6mod> HappyFool: I get the "Enter root password or control-D" message as if there were a root password, but root is disabled.
[09:24] <HappyFool> n6mod: perhaps it is so but your system is seriously broken
[09:24] <nalioths_dog> uber_newber: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[09:24] <HappyFool> n6mod: oh. hmm
[09:24] <uber_newber> k sory
[09:25] <n6mod> HappyFool: It can't be *that* broken...GDM comes up.
[09:25] <blackout> uber_newber: when you ask, you can say what kind of driver you have (do you think the one off the CD will work, or did you google to find something useful, etc.)
[09:25] <HappyFool> n6mod: what kind of install did you do?
[09:25] <blackout> uber_newber: and say way kind of adaptor you have
[09:25] <n6mod> HappyFool: Attempting a login gives me a warning about not being able to write an .Xauthority file.
[09:25] <HappyFool> n6mod: and, do you maybe have a live cd ?
[09:25] <flexs> ubotu : kernel recompile
[09:25] <ubotu> flexs: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:25] <blackout> uber_newber: and what version of ubuntu you're using - give information
[09:26] <n6mod> HappyFool: AMD64/Hoary default install from CD
[09:26] <HappyFool> n6mod: how about logging in on a text console?
[09:26] <uber_newber> lynksis wireless B usb network adapter WUSB11 ver.2.8
[09:26] <tyoung> Does anyone know about how to get the media buttons and blinkenlights working on an HP laptop (or where I should start looking for that?  I tried googling for the laptop model with no joy.)
[09:26] <n6mod> HappyFool: It's been working for a while, I just did something collosally dumb (effectively, an infinite loop in php writing to MySQL)
[09:26] <uber_newber> and u dunno waht version of ubuntu
[09:27] <Marble2> Okay, I don't know what I did wrong, but I had totem playing almost all types of video files, now I changed something and it will only play .mpg/.mpeg files, every other type of file gives me a handling error. Does anyone know how to fix this?
[09:27] <n6mod> HappyFool: Text console through GDM? Same error
[09:27] <mumbles> still no luck
[09:27] <shido> how do you change the agp aperture size in ubuntu
[09:27] <HappyFool> n6mod: no, text console as in Ctl-Alt-F1
[09:27] <kHurtiZ> n6mod: ahahahah lol !!
[09:27] <shido> or can that only be done in bios
[09:27] <HappyFool> n6mod: should not involve .Xauthority in any way, but if your disk is full it may still break
[09:27] <n6mod> HappyFool: no prompt there
[09:27] <HappyFool> n6mod: eek
[09:27] <shido> errr
[09:27] <shido> ok
[09:27] <mumbles> im getting irritated now
[09:28] <_ViciouS_> hi
[09:28] <n6mod> HappyFool: Just the last boot message
[09:28] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my driver? its at76c503
[09:28] <HappyFool> n6mod: do you have the live cd? or, do you have enough bandwidth to download it?
[09:28] <n6mod> HappyFool: Yep, 46minutes remaining in the download. :)
[09:28] <kHurtiZ> n6mod: live sounds like the answer :)
[09:28] <HappyFool> n6mod: ah
[09:29] <HappyFool> n6mod: ok, i guess that will be the easiest
[09:29] <flint_> ok kutubuku  how about now i have d3a-icons
[09:29] <mumbles> i guess i will be using xp for a while :(
[09:29] <n6mod> Yeah, just thought I'd see if I'd missed something while I was waiting. :)
[09:29] <flint_> and the file i put in /.icons is /home/flint/Desktop/d3a-icons.tar.gz_FILES
[09:29] <kHurtiZ> lol i'm still using w2kpro ahahaha
[09:29] <nalioth> mumbles: have you been to the forums?
[09:29] <_ViciouS_> hi, i like to know if ubuntu supports the Zyxel prestige 630-c1 modem (USB)
[09:29] <nalioth> mumbles: have you been to the wiki?
[09:30] <Rockett17> wiki rocks
[09:30] <kHurtiZ> ubuntu rocks, as does this irc chan !!
[09:30] <flexs> ubuntu rocks
[09:30] <flexs> i love ubuntu...
[09:30] <mumbles> yeh but dont know what question to serch for
[09:30] <Marble2> Okay, I don't know what I did wrong, but I had totem playing almost all types of video files, now I changed something and it will only play .mpg/.mpeg files, every other type of file gives me a handling error. Does anyone know how to fix this?
[09:31] <Rockett17> if only could get a job with Linux and not 2003 Server and Terminal Services :-\
[09:31] <flexs> mumbles : whats your problem ?
[09:31] <mostrodibiscotti> I have noticed that when I install things using apt-get, I am sometimes asked to insert the CD, my question is, can I not (thinking in windows logic, sorry) create like an admin install share that is pointed to so that whenever it wants the CD it just goes there?
[09:31] <uber_newber> can ne1 help me install a lynksis wireless B usb network adapter on my toshiba tecra 8000?
[09:31] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: edit your /etc/sources.list and comment out the cdrom line
[09:31] <HappyFool> mostrodibiscotti: well, if you don't care about bandwidth, you can just remove the cd source
[09:32] <erb> hello
[09:32] <AlexBO> HELLO! anybody know a generic driver for the EPSON Laser?
[09:32] <mumbles> mostrodibiscotti: you can get rid of that
[09:32] <mostrodibiscotti> ok
[09:33] <mumbles> under the syntep thing theres some options
[09:33] <zerok> hi :-)
[09:33] <mumbles> go to the config- and theres somethign about sorces- you will see a list of them
[09:33] <flexs> i want recompile my kernel... how do that ?
[09:33] <kHurtiZ> hmm need to enable ssh ... how?
[09:33] <flexs> staying to my current config....
[09:33] <nalioth> kHurtiZ: you have an ssh client already
[09:33] <erb> pls. helpp me, synaptic says "Incorrect MD5Sum", why?
[09:33] <mostrodibiscotti> will try that, reming my cd source, thank you
[09:33] <Madpilot> AlexBO: checked here: http://www.linuxprinting.org/  ?
[09:33] <kHurtiZ> sorry for the thousands of questions, I'm a n00b ... yes have client, but server refuses connection
[09:33] <nalioth> kHurtiZ: for an ssh server, install "openssh-server"
[09:34] <kHurtiZ> gotcha, thanks
[09:34] <flint_> and the file i put in /.icons is /home/flint/Desktop/d3a-icons.tar.gz_FILES
[09:34] <zerok> kHurtiZ, or simply ssh in general
[09:34] <flint_> ok kutubuku  how about now i have d3a-icons
[09:34] <mumbles1> right now i have my old 133htz machene online i can actally get somewhere
[09:35] <flexs> i have Celeron 2Ghz, with RAM 256, ubuntu is slow, i want recompile my kernel, to get faster work, can anyone help me..... ?
[09:35] <AlexBO> Madpilot: well...unfortunately there is one post of the fourth june about my printer WHITHOUT ANSWERS....... :-(
[09:35] <Rockett17> what you running on a 133?!
[09:35] <mumbles1> Rockett17 98se
[09:35] <ColonelKernel> rh7 maybe
[09:35] <uber_newber> can ne1 help me install a lynksis wireless B usb network adapter on my toshiba tecra 8000?
[09:35] <Madpilot> AlexBO: google, then?
[09:35] <ColonelKernel> rofl mumbles
[09:36] <Rockett17> mumbles1>even that's gotta be painful
[09:36] <mumbles1> my ubuntu install is on another machene
[09:36] <mumbles1> an dyes it is
[09:36] <AlexBO> Madpilot: no, there aren't results....
[09:36] <mumbles1> but necissay
[09:36] <erb> what does it mean "Incorrect MD5Sum"?
[09:36] <reddoberman> both the ubuntu and kubuntu freeze when loading the modules with the graphic..it plays the music and then freezes...any suggestions? I've scanned all the forums with no luck  :(
[09:36] <nalioth> flexs: there are plenty of good howtos via google. kernel stuff is kinda out of the league in here
[09:37] <Madpilot> AlexBO: ah well... those're the obvious resources covered...
[09:37] <nalioth> flexs: also try www.tldp.org
[09:37] <shinu> how can i change /etc/sudoers without using sudoedit?
[09:37] <tyoung> popey: sorry if i'm dense today.  Do you have any idea what exactly happens when you hit the 'activate' button on the Network Administration dialog?  I can't find anything in ifconfig and iwconfig that changes when you activate the connection.
[09:37] <Madpilot> must go, be back later...
[09:37] <AlexBO> Madpilot: have you got an idea?
[09:37] <nalioth> shinu: uee visudo
[09:37] <shinu> ah yes...
[09:37] <shinu> nalioth: thanks a lot
[09:38] <nalioth> np
[09:38] <mumbles1> goes to ubuntugide
[09:38] <Kyral> anyone know what dpkg-reconfigure command you would use to reconfigure ALSA?
[09:38] <thundrcleeze> hi
[09:38] <N3nt> how can i clean a dvd-RW in linux?
[09:38] <reddoberman> both the ubuntu and kubuntu freeze when loading the modules with the graphic..it plays the music and then freezes...any suggestions? I've scanned all the forums with no luck  :(
[09:39] <flexs> N3nt : you need buring software...
[09:39] <nalioth> N3nt: clean?
[09:39] <thundrcleeze> N3nt, to erase a dvd-rw, you can use a couple command line programs, or use k3b.
[09:39] <flexs> N3nt : burning....
[09:39] <nalioth> mumbles1: what is your question? i've only seen you complaining in teh last few minutes
[09:39] <flexs> N3nt : k3b is good....
[09:40] <thundrcleeze> k3b is very easy to use.
[09:40] <uber_newber> can ne1 help me install a lynksis wireless B usb network adapter on my toshiba tecra 8000?
[09:40] <N3nt> can oke thanks
[09:40] <ColonelKernel> i used to have a friend who had a friend named phil that had a giant red doberman with avacado sized doo-dads
[09:40] <thundrcleeze> and gives you many more features than say, windows burner
[09:40] <dogmeat83> hello
[09:40] <ColonelKernel> I used to call him nads the dog
[09:40] <flexs> dofmeat83 : hello
[09:40] <thundrcleeze> What program should/can I use to download images from a usb2 digital camera?
[09:41] <uber_newber> can sum1 please help me
[09:41] <thundrcleeze> I heard it was able to be done for some cameras.
[09:41] <dogmeat83> I got a newbie question.. how do you switch between X servers if you have 2 on the same machine?
[09:41] <aslkdfna3> :/
[09:42] <nickrud> dogmeat83 ctl-alt f7 and f8 should work
[09:42] <dogmeat83> should but it doesn't :/
[09:42] <aslkdfna3> how should i make my ubuntu routing server?
[09:42] <dogmeat83> I start it like this so I got a terminal
[09:42] <aslkdfna3> is there some good software for that or what, maybe aguide?
[09:42] <dogmeat83> sudo X :1.0  & xterm -display :1.0 &
[09:42] <dogmeat83> but then i can only go back to the other one if i kill it
[09:42] <dogmeat83> with ctrl-alt-bkspc
[09:43] <shido> was my bios
[09:43] <shido> ok changed that
[09:43] <shido> now I have to reboot 3 times to get a desktop in ubuntu
[09:43] <shido> unable to intialize hal
[09:43] <shido> my startup apps fire up but I don get the gnome-panel
[09:43] <thundrcleeze> Would gphoto be the best digital camera transferring program for a gnome-based distro such as this?
[09:43] <shido> and  etc
[09:44] <kutubuku> anybody here have used breezy?
[09:44] <kutubuku> comment please
[09:44] <Madeye> dict.org is bloody slow, is there alternative to use with Gdictionary?
[09:45] <dogmeat83> where are the X keyboard shortcuts defined? (not the gnome ones)
[09:46] <Kyral> thundrcleeze, GPhoto > All
[09:46] <thundrcleeze> okay, thanks Kyral.  Does it support usb2 or simply usb1.1?
[09:46] <aslkdfna3> damn where is my seveas when i need him
[09:46] <Kyral> thundrcleeze, I believe both
[09:46] <shinu> bye and thanks a lot
[09:46] <thundrcleeze> okay, cool, thanks Kyral
[09:47] <aslkdfna3> is it easy to get usb adls modems work with linux?
[09:47] <aslkdfna3> *dsl*
[09:48] <mumbles1> sigh
[09:48] <mumbles1> this comtpuer is so slow
[09:48] <mumbles1> :p
[09:48] <uber_newber> like a lyknsis wireless thing?
[09:48] <Walkman> Hello UB gurus !
[09:48] <Walkman> I've got another question for you
[09:48] <aslkdfna3> hah mumbles1, you should see that computer, where i installed ubuntu in my work
[09:49] <luzbelito> hi i cant add alias to bashrc. i am copying alias xxx=command but it doesnt works. why ?
[09:49] <aslkdfna3> Walkman, seems like guru's are all sleep. since nobody won't answer me
[09:49] <djp> snd or audacity? both are available in universe repo. can anybody recommend one over the other? i want to use a soundfile editor for podcasting with a class of school children. even better does anyone here know of an irc chat room specifically for linux sound editor apps?
[09:49] <uber_newber> how do i find the version of ubuntu i have?
[09:50] <HappyFool> uber_newber: System -> About Ubuntu should tell you
[09:50] <uber_newber> k thnx
[09:50] <thundrcleeze> djp, I like audacity, but I haven't used snd.  Audacity's pretty easy to use, too.
[09:50] <Walkman> I've got a question about /etc/sysctl.conf. It does not work at startup
[09:50] <thundrcleeze> Better yet, download both and see which works best for you.  :)
[09:51] <TPC> damn, this beep-media-player plugin won't compile
[09:51] <TPC> .nl I mean
[09:51] <mumbles1> yay
[09:51] <Walkman> aslkdfna3: Well, maybe someone like me could answer you ... maybe I had the same problem I managed to solve with my UB ...
[09:52] <mumbles1> it looks like it was just the graphic card drivers that where messed up
[09:52] <djp> thundrcleeze: thanks. i have dabbled briefly with audacity and did find it easy to use. i have been reading a few positive remarks in relation to snd, so therefore wondered if anyone knew much about it.
[09:52] <dmk> luzbelito, are you putting ' ' marks around the command
[09:52] <thundrcleeze> djp, sorry, I've never heard of snd.
[09:53] <AlbanianLord> HAVING A PRETTY ANNOYING PROBLEM
[09:53] <thundrcleeze> djp, there's a few plugins you can get for audacity too.
[09:53] <AlbanianLord> ALSA REFUSES TO WORK WITH MY SOUNDCARD
[09:53] <AlbanianLord> AND IM MAD AS HELL
[09:53] <TPC> ok, this is the compile error I get: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/538
[09:53] <TPC> can anyone help me?
[09:53] <IFRFLYR> Anyone using a Samsund ML1740 laser printer?
[09:53] <thundrcleeze> AlbanianLord, can you use oss instead?
[09:54] <AlbanianLord> nothing works
[09:54] <nalioth> AlbanianLord: please watch your caps
[09:54] <djp> thundrcleeze: thanks
[09:54] <IFRFLYR> s/Samsund/Samsung of course
[09:54] <thundrcleeze> djp, you're welcome
[09:54] <aslkdfna3> AlbanianLord: maybe you should buy a new one?
[09:55] <AlbanianLord> no, it works in slax just fine
[09:55] <AlbanianLord> im told it needs the ac97 thing
[09:55] <AlbanianLord> driver
[09:55] <aslkdfna3> heh
[09:55] <mumbles1> yay
[09:55] <AlbanianLord> can you help
[09:55] <thundrcleeze> AlbanianLord, what kind of sound card is it?
[09:55] <aslkdfna3> my mini-itx has that thing too
[09:55] <punkrockguy318> IFRFLYR, yes, I am
[09:55] <kbrooks> Poke
[09:55] <Kyral> yes?
[09:55] <mumbles1> i cant stop using my spare machene
[09:55] <aslkdfna3> im currently installing ubuntu in it
[09:55] <AlbanianLord> i can post the lspci output if you want
[09:55] <mumbles1> got ubuntu working
[09:56] <aslkdfna3> let's see what it says 'bout my soundcard
[09:56] <nalioth> TPC to my untrained eye, taht looks like bad code (but i may be wrong)
[09:56] <TPC> nah
[09:56] <AlbanianLord> Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
[09:56] <thundrcleeze> use paste.ubuntulinux.nl if you're going to paste something, AlbanianLord
[09:56] <IFRFLYR> punkrockguy318, great! Can you tell me where you got the driver?
[09:56] <thundrcleeze> unless it's just that line.
[09:56] <AlbanianLord> sh....
[09:56] <TPC> nalioth, its a pretty good chance that I need to install some -dev package, but I don't know which one
[09:56] <AlbanianLord> thats it
[09:56] <thundrcleeze> oh okay :0
[09:56] <punkrockguy318> IFRFLYR, what version of ubuntu are you using/
[09:57] <IFRFLYR> punkrockguy318: 5.04
[09:57] <Mezzair> Hiya all, n00b to ubuntu and unix as a whole, I have some questions if someone could help me :)
[09:57] <nalioth> TPC how about id3 tag libs?
[09:57] <AlbanianLord> any ideas thundrcleeze
[09:57] <IFRFLYR> Mezzar, welcome, and go ahead and ask!
[09:57] <Kyral> Mezzair, we live to serve :P
[09:57] <nalioth> Mezzair: ask away
[09:57] <IcemanV9> gnome battery applet sucks!
[09:57] <punkrockguy318> IFRFLYR, I've heard that the 1710 driver works
[09:57] <Kyral> I think we need more troubleshooters
[09:57] <punkrockguy318> IFRFLYR, but i'm experiancing some problems
[09:57] <Mezzair> Cheers people. I'm currently using the LiveCD stuff, mainly to check it out, I have a small knowlage of Unix, only a little of the command line stuff.
[09:58] <thundrcleeze> AlbanianLord, I'm pretty inexperienced with sound issues, sorry.
[09:58] <IFRFLYR> Okay punkrockguy318, I'll give it a try.. Uh oh, what problems?
[09:58] <TPC> Madeye, nope, thats not it
[09:58] <AlbanianLord> can anyone help
[09:58] <Mezzair> The question is, how do I install xmms?
[09:58] <_cmatheson_> Mezzair: aptitude install xmms
[09:58] <thundrcleeze> Mezzair: sudo apt-get install xmms
[09:58] <aslkdfna3> Kyral could you serve me as well? :D, what do i need to set up ubuntu as router?
[09:58] <_cmatheson_> Mezzair: but i suggest beep-media-player (it's xmms ported to gtk2 instead of the way out-dated gtk1)
[09:58] <nalioth> Mezzair: use System > admin > synaptic package mangler
[09:58] <punkrockguy318> IFRFLYR, the margins are a little odd
[09:58] <Kyral> aslkdfna3, I not good with Networks :P
[09:59] <aslkdfna3> damn
[09:59] <Walkman> AlbanianLord: I've heard that there should be some kind of specific modules, have you checked your chipset/sound chip manufacturer's homepage ?
[09:59] <IFRFLYR> I've heard that. Now, when I put in the  1710 it seems to work with a webpage. . . ..
[09:59] <AlbanianLord> walkman, yeah there is
[09:59] <rainingzigzags> who here has used corssover pro?
[09:59] <aslkdfna3> well i have to tease seveas when he dare's to come back in his hidingplace
[09:59] <aslkdfna3> from*
[09:59] <punkrockguy318> IFRFLYR, does your test page print out right?
[09:59] <mumbles1> going to turn off this 133 :p
[09:59] <mumbles1> bbiab
[10:00] <uber_newber> i have ubuntu version 5.04!
[10:00] <IFRFLYR> punkrockguy318 - checking.
[10:00] <tiglionabbit> uber_newber: hooray, welcome to the club
[10:00] <leroj> yay and woo!
[10:00] <AlbanianLord> walkman the thing is I don't know how to get it to work
[10:00] <uber_newber> yay!
[10:00] <din> x2x is sweet
[10:00] <Mezzair> It seems to be installing xmms using that manager someone suggested. Thankyou very much!
[10:00] <IFRFLYR> punkrockguy318: Looking like all but the bottom, which was my fear. The bottom margin is too low.
[10:01] <din> i'm running my 2 desktop systems and my laptop with my laptop kb and mouse
[10:01] <Walkman> AlbanianLord: And did you do anything about it (looking for your chip's software at support/download section for example)?
[10:01] <IcemanV9> Mezzair: it'll be gone once you shut down
[10:01] <AlbanianLord> it was a version of alsa
[10:01] <rainingzigzags> does anyone know how if ubuntu suports dual monitor on the radeon 9800 pro?>
[10:01] <Mezzair> Yeah I know, LiveCD etc.. :)
[10:01] <AlbanianLord> and for whatever reason i couldnt compile it or get it to work
[10:02] <Mezzair> Whats the situation with the Wireless Networking?
[10:02] <aslkdfna3> it's funny that i can't get livecd working in my main computer, but installed version works just fine
[10:02] <tiglionabbit> Mezzair: works for me
[10:02] <punkrockguy318> IFRFLYR, yeah, it gives me problems all the time
[10:02] <rainingzigzags> cause my dual monitor is getting nothing but static
[10:02] <IFRFLYR> punkrockguy318: BUMMER. Nothing can be done?
[10:02] <Walkman> AlbanianLord: Or Google for your 82801 and ALSA ?
[10:02] <punkrockguy318> IFRFLYR, I haven't messed with it too much.  Maybe, together we can fix it and post a fix on the wiki
[10:02] <IcemanV9> Mezzair: have you thought about dual-boot? that way, you can test Ubuntu the way you want it w/o re-install it each time you boot LiveCD
[10:02] <IFRFLYR> I sent Out an email before buying it to the ubuntu mailing list asking if anyone had problems; no replies. . .  .I'd love to fix it
[10:03] <IFRFLYR> Shall we PM?
[10:03] <IcemanV9> Mezzair: you'll fall in love w/ Ubuntu faster! ;)
[10:03] <Mezzair> Well, im waiting for my laptop to arrive back from Fujitsu-Siemens, its an AMD64. I would like to dual boot it and use Ubuntu on a regular basis.
[10:03] <aslkdfna3> hmm
[10:04] <IcemanV9> Mezzair: terrific :)
[10:04] <aslkdfna3> about that booting, how can i change that windows is the first option to boot, since i actually boot only if windows has to, and it's kinda irritating when you try to update your drivers and then you machine jumps to linux, and you have to boot again
[10:04] <Mezzair> I have the software on CD ready, I have a 60GB HDD and a 200GB external, how much should I allocate to Ubuntu?
[10:05] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wireless usb network adapter WUSB11 version 2.8, i have a driver for it but i have no clue ow to install it, and im running off of ubuntu 5.04.
[10:05] <tiglionabbit> aslkdfna3: use savedefault in your menu.lst
[10:05] <mumbles> aslkdfna3,  have the same problem
[10:05] <_cmatheson_> Mezzair: it depends on how much you want to do w/ it... i would think about 10G would be more than enough (you can just access the windoze partition for your media stuff)
[10:05] <aslkdfna3> tiglionabbit, where is that file?
[10:05] <Walkman> aslkdfna3: Just change your GRUBs menu list
[10:06] <mumbles> Walkman,  how ?
[10:06] <leroj> how the schmeckery do i uninstall xmms? it doesn't even work so why not...
[10:06] <nalioth> Mezzair: 10gb is MORE than sufficient for a desktop install
[10:06] <leroj> i made mine 20 :P
[10:06] <_cmatheson_> leroj: aptitude remove xmms
[10:06] <mumbles> mines 5 i think
[10:06] <uber_newber> can sum1 help me install my lynksis wireless usb network adapter WUSB11 version 2.8, i have a driver for it but i have no clue ow to install it, and im running off of ubuntu 5.04.
[10:06] <Mezzair> Great, thanks so much for all your help.
[10:07] <IcemanV9> Mezzair: depends on how you use it; like others said 10G is plenty .. i have 60G and it's all Ubuntu :)
[10:07] <aslkdfna3> uber_newber, is it windows driver?
[10:07] <AlbanianLord> apt-get remove xmms
[10:07] <mumbles> dont forget swappartion ?
[10:07] <jordan>  .:/')('\:.
[10:07] <Mezzair> Its somthing I really want to get into a learn, especshally whilst im doing my degree
[10:07] <uber_newber> i dunno, its called a76c503
[10:07] <rainingzigzags> does anyone know how if ubuntu suports dual monitor on the radeon 9800 pro?>
[10:07] <rainingzigzags> cause my dual monitor is getting nothing but static
[10:07] <tiglionabbit> aslkdfna3: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst and set the line "default" to say "saved" instead fo some number, and make sure each of the entries in your automagic kernel list has "savedefault" written on a single line before "boot"
[10:07] <aslkdfna3> uber_newber: i might be able to help you
[10:08] <uber_newber> really, tahnx
[10:08] <aslkdfna3> uber_newber: pm
[10:08] <uber_newber> k
[10:08] <tiglionabbit> aslkdfna3: that way, when you start grub it will have the kernel selected that you booted last time
[10:08] <aslkdfna3> tiglionabbit: thanks!
[10:08] <Hikaru79> Are the merillat repositories considered safe for Ubuntu? Are there any known issues, or can I confidently add it to sources.list?
[10:08] <Walkman> mumbles: Since I'm new to GRUB - I would change menu.list at it was described before somewhere ... I used to configure LILO, not GRUB, sorry. Does it use the same principle ?
[10:09] <nalioth> Hikaru79: i would advise only using marillat for specific packages, then disabling them
[10:09] <Mezzair> My USB drive seems really slow :(
[10:09] <Mezzair> Its quicker in Knoppix :/
[10:09] <nalioth> Hikaru79: they are far behind current hoary, and their constant regular use may break your system
[10:09] <mumbles> dont know.. im as confused as you ware
[10:10] <mumbles> are ^^
[10:10] <Hikaru79> nalioth, I see. Thank you =) I just wanted to use it for some dvd libraries and the newest acroread
[10:10] <Hikaru79> Would that be okay, if I removed it after?
[10:10] <IcemanV9> Mezzair: hdparm? no idea if it does work for usb drives?
[10:10] <rainingzigzags> does anyone know how to install flash 7.0 manually?
[10:11] <leroj> it's on the macromdeia site
[10:11] <mumbles> yeh its easy to follow
[10:11] <nalioth> Hikaru79: just disable those repos when you are done retrieving your toys
[10:11] <rainingzigzags> how come today no one is of any help
[10:11] <rainingzigzags> last night i got help right away
[10:12] <rainingzigzags> but today its like i am not even here
[10:12] <Walkman> rainingzigzags: I've copied files Macromedia offered me in gz to plugins directory of mozilla, same with fox, seems working ...
[10:12] <rainingzigzags> this is a waste of time
[10:12] <tiglionabbit> hello
[10:12] <mumbles> rainingzigzags,  walkmants right
[10:12] <denbo> i'm trying to get my modem to work on warthog.  every time I try to active it the thing "unactivates" itself.  any idea what I'm doing wrong or need do to right?  TIA
[10:12] <rainingzigzags> ok then how to i isntall it from there?
[10:12] <benkong2> why iss my volume so low on hoary with gnome install? It works just real low speaker beep and sound
[10:12] <nalioth> rainingzigzags: today, there is nobody who is familiar with your subject
[10:13] <mumbles> one sec rainingzigzags  will find the ubnutgide help
[10:13] <_cmatheson_> !ubuntuguide
[10:13] <ubotu> from memory, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[10:13] <rainingzigzags> ok
[10:13] <mumbles> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[10:13] <Hikaru79> Hm, another question. How can I make it so that some hdparm paramaters are made permanent? If I set, for example, 'sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdd' will this still have effect when I reboot? If not, how can I add it to a startup script?
[10:13] <hd420> hmm... where would mysql-server-4.1 store its error log ?
[10:13] <Walkman> rainingzigzags: You may use the .sh install, it does the same thing , copies these files to pluginsfolder ...
[10:13] <rainingzigzags> sry for that blow up
[10:13] <nalioth> mumbles: you are gonna hurt someone with that
[10:13] <rainingzigzags> just linux is makin me frustrated right now
[10:13] <mumbles> but as ubotu sais use at your own risk
[10:13] <_cmatheson_> Hikaru79: check out /etc/hdparm.conf
[10:14] <Hikaru79> Ah, thanks _cmatheson_ !
[10:14] <mumbles> nalioth,  it worked for me
[10:14] <tiglionabbit> benkong2: weird gnome thing.  Right-click on your speaker, hit properties, and then go through every subsection for every device and turn the volume up for that.  Especially look at PCM entries
[10:14] <nalioth> rainingzigzags: are you after java or flash?
[10:14] <antix> is it possible to use any of the skype phones or a converter for normal phones on Ubuntu? can't find any info on it...
[10:14] <rainingzigzags> .sh install?... sry i am very new to linux
[10:14] <rainingzigzags> flash
[10:14] <benkong2> tiglionabbit, thanks
[10:14] <_cmatheson_> antix: aren't they just dressed up microphones? should be no problem
[10:14] <tiglionabbit> benkong2: it tends to use different volume meters for different programs, so even if you have ALSA selected you may have to turn up OSS meters for some programs
[10:15] <antix> _cmatheson_, they use usb
[10:15] <Walkman> rainingzigzags: Yep, .sh is just a command script
[10:15] <nalioth> mumbles: is the ubuntuguide working for you now?
[10:15] <rainingzigzags> there wouldnt happen to be a repository to download and install flash would there?
[10:15] <tiglionabbit> !newusers
[10:15] <ubotu> from memory, newusers is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUbuntuUsers
[10:15] <antix> _cmatheson_, http://accessories.skype.com/section?SID=811a4edfbe5305d2b9874dce3175e53dccf:4570&secid=38893
[10:16] <tiglionabbit> rainingzigzags: well, there is.  It's easier to install from firefox though..
[10:16] <nalioths_dog> rainingzigzags: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[10:16] <mumbles> nalioth,  yes
[10:16] <Walkman> rainingzigzags: Have you read all the readme-s Macromedia equipped that installation file ?
[10:16] <benkong2> tiglionabbit, you are so cool worked thanks
[10:16] <TheDarkSide> hello
[10:16] <_cmatheson_> antix: oh sorry... i don't know then... i've only used microphone's before
[10:16] <IcemanV9> rainingzigzags: there is. sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[10:16] <Hikaru79> _cmatheson_, so do I put 'hdparm -d1 /dev/hdd" in the conf file, or just 'd1 /dev/hdd"?
[10:16] <tiglionabbit> benkong2: awesome.  Heh, I only knew that because I had the same problem last week
[10:17] <TheDarkSide> i have install ubuntu but i dont know how to be root ?
[10:17] <TheDarkSide> is my first user root ?
[10:17] <mumbles> su root
[10:17] <Hikaru79> TheDarkSide, there is no root in Ubuntu. You use 'sudo' for everything.
[10:17] <tiglionabbit> !sudo
[10:17] <ubotu> hmm... sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:17] <Hikaru79> In theory.
[10:17] <antix> _cmatheson_, me too. but I'm surprised it doesn't says anything about linux support anywhere. especially as skype has linux support
[10:17] <TheDarkSide> ok thanks
[10:17] <Walkman> TheDarkSide: You cannot be root
[10:17] <mumbles> skype dose work under ubuntu
[10:17] <TPC> ok, ld can't find -lXext
[10:17] <benkong2> tiglionabbit, nice to share what you learned so quickly :-P
[10:17] <TPC> what do I do?
[10:17] <IcemanV9> TheDarkSide: use 'sudo' - you'll do everything as if you were a root
[10:17] <tiglionabbit> TheDarkSide: if you're used to using "su", try "sudo -s" instead
[10:17] <TheDarkSide> and what will be the password ?
[10:18] <Toba> could anyone suggest a good desktop photo gallery display app for my photos?
[10:18] <mumbles> your user pass
[10:18] <tiglionabbit> TheDarkSide: your own password
[10:18] <rainingzigzags> icemanv9, ty for that.. that was what i was lookin for.. being new to linux that makes it reall really easy to just do it that way
[10:18] <TheDarkSide> so, every user is root ?
[10:18] <IcemanV9> TheDarkSide: same as your password
[10:18] <CDK> fspot is good for photos
[10:18] <_cmatheson_> Hikaru79: it's got it's own little format... there is a bunch of examples at the bottom of the file... basically i think you could just do '/dev/hdd { dma = on }, or command line { hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdd }
[10:18] <Walkman> TheDarkSide: Because there is new security feature with UB - to hide root user and to allow the ordinary one to do all the nessesary settings
[10:18] <rainingzigzags> bah now it says package unavalible
[10:18] <Mez> TheDarkSide, no just the first user, and any user you add to the admin group
[10:18] <IcemanV9> rainingzigzags: good. it worked great for me. the version is 7.0.
[10:19] <_cmatheson_> Walkman: it's not actually new... it's just sudo
[10:19] <TheDarkSide> ok thanks very much
[10:19] <IcemanV9> rainingzigzags: i installed it almost 3.5 months ago. :)
[10:19] <rainingzigzags> icemanv9, what repository did u use to download it? cause it said unavalible on mine
[10:19] <Walkman> TheDarkSide: Correction, Mez is right, the ordinary user should be in adm group and to have been listed in sudoers file
[10:19] <libanes> alguien que hable espaol :D
[10:19] <IcemanV9> rainingzigzags: multiverse
[10:20] <libanes> o algun canal de ubuntu en espaol :D
[10:20] <_cmatheson_> libanes: i think you want #ubuntu-es
[10:20] <Mez> ty Walkman /me bows
[10:20] <libanes> thank you  dude :D
[10:21] <libanes> _cmatheson_, thx
[10:22] <Walkman> Well, could anyone help me with sysctl.conf file ?
[10:22] <rainingzigzags> still no luck with flash
[10:23] <Walkman> I want to make some changes in ipv4 settings , but it does not work after boot
[10:23] <calamari> hi
[10:23] <Coil101> Can I get some help??
[10:23] <kertrats> hey, can anyone recommend a way to play either .asx or .smi media?
[10:23] <zAo^> where did mplayer go in breezy??
[10:23] <TheDarkSide> when i type sudo su - and press enter it didnt right access denied - how can i set pass ?
[10:23] <tiglionabbit> !info mplayer-386
[10:23] <ubotu> mplayer-386: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6 (hoary), Packaged size: 3499 kB, Installed size: 7592 kB
[10:23] <IcemanV9> rainingzigzags: it is packaged in http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse
[10:23] <calamari> have a hard drive that was clicking but reading, now when I do cat /dev/hda1 I get Input/output error.  Is it totally gone now?
[10:23] <tiglionabbit> TheDarkSide: use "sudo -s" instead of su
[10:23] <IcemanV9> rainingzigzags: let me check ...
[10:23] <AlbanianLord> it seems like all the linux developers HATE my soundcard
[10:24] <Coil101> Can soemone give me some help?
[10:24] <kertrats> I'd like to listen to an internet radio station, but those are the only formats they offer, and neither seems to play on the default music player
[10:24] <_cmatheson_> Coil101: /topic (just ask)
[10:24] <zAo^> Coil101, ?
[10:24] <TheDarkSide> tiglionabbit password ?
[10:24] <AlbanianLord> walkman i searched
[10:24] <tiglionabbit> TheDarkSide: your password.  Ubuntu doesn't set a root password by default
[10:24] <AlbanianLord> nothinf works
[10:24] <Coil101> I'm in the middle of installing Ubuntu.
[10:24] <Coil101> I need to know my video card name.
[10:24] <Coil101> It's not external, it's in the motherboard.
[10:24] <Walkman> rainingzigzags: Have you downloaded Macromedia Flash package from www.macromedia.com ???
[10:24] <Coil101> How do I figure it out?
[10:25] <tiglionabbit> TheDarkSide: if you must have a root password, you can make one, but for most features ubuntu doesn't need one.  (To make a root password, just run passwd as root)
[10:25] <Walkman> AlbanianLord: And with any results ?
[10:25] <effowe> hey i was building the latest kernel and my computer hard locked, this is like the 3rd distro ive tried it on and it hard locks during the build,. anyone know why or how i can track it down?
[10:25] <AlbanianLord> nothing
[10:25] <AlbanianLord> not a damn thing
[10:25] <mumbles> Coil101,  find modlue name and make on the motherbord
[10:25] <kertrats> wil Helix play .smi files?
[10:25] <IcemanV9> rainingzigzags: it is there. what was the error message?
[10:25] <mumbles> do a google serch for th emotherbord
[10:25] <AlbanianLord> can you help me
[10:25] <zAo^> Can anyone tell me how to play DVDs in Breezy?
[10:26] <_cmatheson_> !dvd
[10:26] <ubotu> I don't know, _cmatheson_
[10:26] <_cmatheson_> !codecs
[10:26] <ubotu> codecs is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:26] <_cmatheson_> zAo^: check that link
[10:26] <quique> hola
[10:26] <IcemanV9> rainingzigzags: did you edit the /etc/source.list? to add multverse?
[10:26] <zAo^> thnx _cmatheson_
[10:26] <quique> alguien en espaol??
[10:26] <Coil101> Alright, thanks mumbles. Great idea.
[10:26] <skora> zAo^, breezy isn't really recommended to be used, you know.
[10:26] <skora> quique, ubuntu-es
[10:26] <_cmatheson_> quique: #ubuntu-es ;)
[10:26] <zAo^> skora, I know
[10:26] <quique> thanks
[10:26] <skora> por espanoel
[10:27] <AlbanianLord> please help
[10:27] <coobra> svnska
[10:27] <AlbanianLord>  pretty please
[10:28] <rainingzigzags> how do u change a directory in the terminal
[10:28] <Walkman> !sysctl
[10:28] <ubotu> No idea, Walkman
[10:28] <rainingzigzags> icemanv9, yea i did all that last night
[10:28] <IcemanV9> cd change/to/path
[10:28] <tiglionabbit> rainingzigzags: cd
[10:29] <NoHope> rainingzigzags, new to linux?
[10:29] <Toba> methinks he is ;)
[10:29] <rainingzigzags> yes just picked it up a couple days ago
[10:29] <Walkman> !info
[10:29] <Toba> cd is even used in windows
[10:29] <Toba> eheh
[10:29] <kbrooks> Toba, it is
[10:29] <Walkman> !info sysctl
[10:29] <Vivaldi> i have a damn usb device with audio class interface, alsa registers a device for it and gives a PCM channel. I set this channel to Capture mode, i increased the volume BUT i only obtain silence. any idea?
[10:30] <NoHope> Toba, it would be a good idea to read some tutorial first... What's your native language? I know a very good in Portuguese...
[10:30] <AlbanianLord> HElp me please..............
[10:30] <Toba> NoHope: what?
[10:30] <tiglionabbit> rainingzigzags: it is the unix convention that most common commands are two letters from the word or words that describe them.  cd for change directory
[10:30] <IcemanV9> rainingzigzags: can you search for flashplayer in synaptic??
[10:30] <NoHope> Toba, oh, I'm sorry, message for rainingzigzags
[10:30] <kbrooks> NoHope, wrong person
[10:30] <Toba> I was just stating that the command "cd" is also used in the windows environment ;0
[10:30] <Toba> I'
[10:30] <Toba> m not exactly a total n00b
[10:31] <mumbles> question, how do you get ubuntu to list a sata hdd ?
[10:31] <tiglionabbit> rainingzigzags: ls for list files, mv for move, cp for copy (used for rename too)
[10:31] <cyphase> hey everyone
[10:31] <_cmatheson_> mumbles: it should just do it
[10:31] <Efwis> AlbanianLord, what soudn card are you using??
[10:31] <NoHope> rainingzigzags, it would be a good idea to read some tutorial first... What's your native language? I know a very good in Portuguese...
[10:31] <rainingzigzags> i think i got it workin now
[10:31] <rainingzigzags> i followed the directions on the flash website
[10:31] <leroj> does anyone have a link for the lates Americas Army?
[10:32] <rainingzigzags> had to extract the tar.gz file and open terminal and do ./flashinstaller
[10:32] <rainingzigzags> or something like that
[10:32] <IcemanV9> rainingzigzags: cool! test it with website which used flash :)
[10:32] <eno__> hello folks!
[10:32] <eno__> is anyone here familliar with shutting down their computer?
[10:32] <_cmatheson_> IcemanV9: alternatively you can just type 'about:plugins' in the url bar and it will list the active plugins
[10:32] <rainingzigzags> i get this error when tryin to set it up
[10:32] <rainingzigzags> WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.
[10:32] <rainingzigzags> Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,
[10:32] <rainingzigzags> or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla):
[10:33] <_cmatheson_> eno__: yes
[10:33] <rainingzigzags> that is the directory though isnt it?
[10:33] <eno__> so why isn't shutdown now working?
[10:33] <IcemanV9> _cmatheson_: that, too! :)
[10:33] <_cmatheson_> eno__: what's it doing?
[10:33] <eno__> absolutely nothing
[10:33] <_cmatheson_> eno__: does it say something?
[10:33] <_cmatheson_> eno__: what are you typing for the command?
[10:33] <eno__> I think my desktop may be frozen though because I can't click on things on it
[10:33] <AlbanianLord> soundcard
[10:33] <eno__> and when I type in shutdown now nothing happens
[10:34] <AlbanianLord> please
[10:34] <AlbanianLord> help
[10:34] <IcemanV9> sudo shutdown -h now
[10:34] <eno__> I will try it from the boot prompt I guess
[10:34] <eno__> oh ok, thanks
[10:34] <rainingzigzags> should i change the directory to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox  instead or /usr/lib/mozilla
[10:34] <eno__> I don't think that is working either
[10:34] <leroj> does anyone have a link for the lates Americas Army?
[10:35] <_cmatheson_> leroj: google.com
[10:35] <eno__> and does anyone know how to get the applications menu back if you have accidentally deleted it?  I can't find a setting anywhere
[10:35] <_cmatheson_> eno__: what desktop are you using?
[10:35] <eno__> Gnome
[10:35] <mumbles> _cmatheson_ mumbles: it should just do it -- it dosent
[10:36] <IcemanV9> rainingzigzags: if you're using firefox, then yea
[10:36] <_cmatheson_> eno__: delete your ~/.gnome2 ~/.gconf2 maybe?
[10:36] <eno__> ok
[10:36] <sexcopter8000m> I'm having no success setting up printing here. I'm using linux on this machine, which is connected to an xp box to which the printer is connected. can't find any relevant wiki's, any pointers?
[10:36] <eno__> thank you sir
[10:36] <hodgman> alright, I'm having a bit of a problem trying to get my resolution set to 1600x1200.  I've reran the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg a few times.  I've researched my monitors horzsync and vertrefresh and put those in the xorg.conf and stil nothing gets me to that rez
[10:36] <_cmatheson_> mumbles: how do you know? what are you doing, and what are you trying to do?
[10:36] <IcemanV9> AlbanianLord: have you check this out? > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[10:37] <mumbles> _cmatheson_,  i am trying to mount my windows pattion
[10:37] <TheDarkSide> how i can to mount cd ?
[10:37] <rainingzigzags> icemanv9, ok it says it installed completely.. now how come i cant download more themes for firefox... says something about a security bug
[10:37] <_cmatheson_> hodgman: could you put your xsession log and your xorg.conf on pastebin?
[10:37] <kertrats> what's the name of the mplayer package?
[10:37] <_cmatheson_> mumbles: and what are you doing to mount it?
[10:37] <kertrats> the starter guide says sudo apt-get instal mplayer-386
[10:37] <IcemanV9> hodgman: check it out > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto?highlight=%28resolution%29
[10:37] <mumbles> at the minit im serching thought /mnt/
[10:37] <kertrats> but that isnt working for me
[10:38] <kertrats> *install
[10:38] <mumbles> and also thought xmms menu
[10:38] <eno__> _cmatheson_: is ~/.gnome2 ~/.gconf2 in /usr/bin?
[10:38] <_cmatheson_> mumbles: it wouldn't be in /mnt it would be in /media, and you haven't even mounted it yet so why are you looking in there?
[10:38] <davro> Im after a command to convert mp3 file to wav file, is there such a luxury, would i have to use mplayer ?.
[10:38] <uber_newber> why does bob2 have a green dot next to his name?
[10:38] <IcemanV9> rainingzigzags: it has to do with the version nbr .. i don't recall how to fix it since i don't install theme for firefox
[10:38] <_cmatheson_> eno__: ~ is shorthand for your home directory
[10:39] <eno__> you mean /home/eno?
[10:39] <_cmatheson_> eno__: as a general rule of thumb never ever for any reason delete stuff not in your home directory (unless you really are sure what you're doing is what you want)
[10:39] <eno__> oh smart move, man
[10:39] <_cmatheson_> eno__: yeah, /home/eno
[10:39] <IcemanV9> uber_newber: it means he's sysop for this channel
[10:39] <_cmatheson_> er, /home/eno/.gnome
[10:39] <_cmatheson_> .gnom2
[10:39] <uber_newber> and that means....
[10:40] <eno__> ok, in my home directory is:  incomplete                   Simple.class  Unsaved\ Document\ 1
[10:40] <eno__> Desktop    mp3s                         test1.class
[10:40] <eno__> Dog.class  qc-usb-messenger-0.8         test1.java
[10:40] <eno__> gvm.log    qc-usb-messenger-0.8.tar.gz  text.txt
[10:40] <eno__> there is no .gnome
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> eno__: ls -a
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> and don't paste here
[10:40] <Will_> eno__: Use a pastebin next time, and try: ls -a
[10:40] <Efwis> AlbanianLord, what sound card are you using?? is it an onboard or a pnp card like audigy??
[10:40] <_cmatheson_> eno__: any file w/ a '.' in front of it is hidden.  you'll just have to type it out 'rm -r .gnome2 .gconf2' (this will make you lose all your gnome-settings, but it should get your menus back)
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> Will_: lol
[10:40] <eno__> that is awesome!  I hate my gnome settings
[10:41] <eno__> and then will I need a restart?
[10:41] <_cmatheson_> eno__: no, just log out of x and log back in
[10:41] <TheDarkSide> when i type mount /dev/hdb (or hdc) /media/cdram - it type no media ..
[10:41] <TheDarkSide> what is the problem
[10:41] <_cmatheson_> eno__: unless you're messing w/ your partition tables or installing a new kernel you will never need to restart
[10:41] <_cmatheson_> TheDarkSide: are you sure your cdrom drive is /dev/hdb?
[10:41] <AlbanianLord> efwis :Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
[10:41] <tiglionabbit> TheDarkSide: are you sure that is the correct device?  "sudo fdisk -l" to see the devices available
[10:42] <eno__> ok how do I log out hten?
[10:42] <tiglionabbit> eno__: system -> log out
[10:42] <TheDarkSide> _cmatheson_ no ...
[10:42] <TheDarkSide> tiglionabbit it typed only /dev/hdaX
[10:42] <_cmatheson_> TheDarkSide: ok, follow the advice someone said about 'fdisk -l'
[10:42] <CookieNinja> grrr
[10:43] <sexcopter8000m> can anyone help me with printing?
[10:43] <eno__> do I sudo that system thing?  it says command not found
[10:43] <_cmatheson_> TheDarkSide: or do you know what it is? secondary master maybe?
[10:43] <TheDarkSide> _cmatheson_ third , i think
[10:43] <tiglionabbit> TheDarkSide: oops, my bad, that command will only list volumes
[10:43] <_cmatheson_> TheDarkSide: ok, so it's probably /dev/hdc
[10:44] <tiglionabbit> eno__: what I said wasn't a command.  I mean just click on the gnome panel where it says "system" and then log out
[10:44] <TheDarkSide> Error : No media found
[10:44] <eno__> oh, well that is gone too.  I have no system menu
[10:44] <eno__> there must be a command line
[10:44] <Walkman> rainingzigzags: You have to change some variable from 1.0 .. to 1.0.4 and it lets you in
[10:44] <hodgman> also, on like debian and redhat I use ctrl+alt+F1,F2,F3, etc.. to swithc between tty's..how do you do that on ubuntu ?
[10:44] <_cmatheson_> eno__: alternatively (don't normally do this but it's ok this time since you just deleted all your settings anyway) hit ctrl+alt+del
[10:44] <tiglionabbit> eno__: o...   uh...  try running gnome-panel
[10:44] <_cmatheson_> er
[10:44] <_cmatheson_> no!
[10:44] <_cmatheson_> ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:45] <_cmatheson_> curse my typos...
[10:45] <tiglionabbit> he gone
[10:45] <mumbles> strange
[10:45] <mumbles> now my soundcard is bust
[10:45] <TheDarkSide> any ideas about cd mounting ?
[10:45] <Nieke> hiya, can anyone tell me how to get latest mozilla-firefox when using hoary 5.04 for amd64?
[10:45] <mumbles> off the top of my head
[10:45] <_cmatheson_> TheDarkSide: have you tried /dev/hd[bcd] ?
[10:46] <TheDarkSide> _cmatheson_ yes
[10:46] <mumbles> apt-get update mozilla-firefox ?
[10:46] <_cmatheson_> TheDarkSide: what kind of cd is in the drive?
[10:46] <Nieke> mumbles: then I get version 1.02, but I need 1.04 :/
[10:46] <Walkman> rainingzigzags: To do it, just type about:config in firefox in URl line
[10:46] <TheDarkSide> _cmatheson_ mount /dev/hdb /media/cdrom - error : no media found
[10:46] <_cmatheson_> !firefox
[10:46] <CookieNinja> stick sudo before that, mumbles
[10:46] <ubotu> well, firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[10:46] <IcemanV9> _cmatheson_: ctrl+atl+del killed eno_ :p
[10:46] <Nieke> ubotu: lol ok :) nice hack!
[10:46] <ubotu> No idea, Nieke
[10:46] <_cmatheson_> IcemanV9: i'm such a jerk
[10:46] <TheDarkSide> _cmatheson_ its dvd
[10:46] <tiglionabbit> TheDarkSide: why not just put in a dvd and let ubuntu mount it itself?
[10:47] <IcemanV9> _cmatheson_: nah, you're just a human being
[10:47] <TheDarkSide> tiglionabbit i havent dvd atm
[10:47] <mumbles> Nieke,  its a good question , i dunno how to get the new virions myself
[10:47] <Will_> A jerky human being?
[10:47] <_cmatheson_> TheDarkSide: well you can't mount something that's nog there!
[10:47] <_cmatheson_> TheDarkSide: if the dvd is not in the drive then there is nothing to mount
[10:47] <tiglionabbit> TheDarkSide: well ubuntu is set up to mount most devices like usb flash drives, cds, and dvds on its own.  I wouldn't worry about it now.  Why do you need to mount it when there's nothing there?
[10:47] <eno__> that didn't work, now even more stuff is gone!  my quick launching buttons disappeared!  OH NO!
[10:48] <WckdKl0wn> does anyone know what this is in the top right corner of this pic? how would i set that up on my desktop   http://hungsquirrel.org/images/hoary-042505.jpg
[10:48] <eno__> how will I ever load the weeb?
[10:48] <_cmatheson_> eno__: you're menus really aren't there?
[10:48] <_cmatheson_> eno__: are you choosing 'gnome-session' when you log in w/ gdm?
[10:48] <tiglionabbit> eno__: you can always create the menus again.  Just right-click and say "add to menu"
[10:48] <_cmatheson_> eno__: er, Gnome or whatever?
[10:48] <CookieNinja> aye, i know what that ism WckdKl0wn ... just looking to remind myself
[10:48] <eno__> uij,.jyeah man, they're gone like flan
[10:49] <_cmatheson_> eno__: ... i don't even know what flan is so i'm guessing that's pretty stinkin' gone
[10:49] <eno__> okay you went over my head with the gdm thing... I typed exit at the prompt and that loaded my gnome
[10:49] <tiglionabbit> flan?  Isn't that a sort of pudding-like desert?
[10:49] <eno__> yep ;)
[10:49] <_cmatheson_> eno__: gdm is the graphical login
[10:49] <mumbles> WckdKl0wn, that looks like a sysemt moniter
[10:49] <_cmatheson_> eno__: there is a button that says 'sessions' at the bottom
[10:49] <WckdKl0wn> ok how would i set that up on my desktop
[10:49] <eno__> oh ok, let me try that!
[10:49] <_cmatheson_> eno__: click on that and make sure to choose the Gnome session
[10:50] <TheDarkSide> _cmatheson_, tiglionabbit, i am trying to mount normal cd
[10:51] <_cmatheson_> TheDarkSide: what is a "normal" cd... is it the ubuntu cd?
[10:51] <mumbles> has anyone else found this? with ubuntu - you can  be trying to fix a problem for ages
[10:51] <TheDarkSide> _cmatheson_ its a cd with txt files ...
[10:51] <mumbles> you stop trying to fix it. then you ocme back to it and fix it first time ?
[10:51] <_cmatheson_> TheDarkSide: hmm, that should be mountable... are you running gnome?
[10:52] <TheDarkSide> _cmatheson_ yes, i am
[10:52] <AlbanianLord> mumbles whats going on
[10:52] <AlbanianLord> ?
[10:52] <CookieNinja> WckdKl0wn, what you want is gdesklets. it's in synamptic if u have universe and multiverse repositories enabled
[10:52] <_cmatheson_> TheDarkSide: when you pop the cd into the drive gnome shoudl mount it for you.  are you sure the drive works?  is it ide?
[10:52] <zAo^> !info libdvdcss
[10:52] <mumbles> not a lot just something ive noticed about ubnutu
[10:52] <mumbles> apart from my sound not working
[10:52] <WckdKl0wn> so i type sudo apt-get install gdesklets?
[10:52] <CookieNinja> i am nto sure if you need those repositories or not, but if u have them enabled then it is definitely there
[10:53] <TheDarkSide> _cmatheson_ the drive works on windows ...
[10:53] <eno__> okay I went into failsafe mode, and they are /still/ gone
[10:53] <CookieNinja> use synaptic, WckdKl0wn
[10:53] <tiglionabbit> hey guys, what do I put in my fstab to make a volume be owned by me (1000)
[10:53] <rgaskell> I noticed that mumbles was having trouble with sound?
[10:53] <benkong2> mutt wants to use /var/mail/<user> mail is using $HOME/<user>/mbox: how can I change mutt I don't see a muttrc file
[10:53] <cmatheson> eno__: oh don't go in fail-safe mode, that won't do anything--did you try the Gnome option in the sessions menu?
[10:53] <cmatheson> TheDarkSide: we are talking about an ide drive?
[10:53] <CookieNinja> system menu -> administration -> synaptic package manager .. it's a lot simpler than the shell for browsing and installing stuff WckdKl0wn
[10:53] <eno__> uh no... I am dumb I forgot what you told me to do so I chose the one that had a movie named after it.
[10:53] <eno__> brb
[10:54] <TheDarkSide> cmatheson what is ide drive ?
[10:54] <cmatheson> TheDarkSide: how new is your computer? are you using IDE or SATA for your drives (the type of bus)?
[10:54] <rgaskell> Anyone able to get sound working on VMWare virtual machine?
[10:54] <CookieNinja> what sound card you got, mumbles ? that's a start when trying to get sound working
[10:54] <HaroldJohnson> Hello everyone
[10:54] <IcemanV9> WckdKl0wn: i'd advise you NOT to install gdesklets-data (bad file)
[10:55] <TheDarkSide> cmatheson ide , i think - my pc is 3 years old
[10:55] <WckdKl0wn> cookieninja, ok ty i found it in synaptic
[10:55] <cmatheson> TheDarkSide: try popping a different cd in maybe?
[10:55] <CookieNinja> what's wrong with it, IcemanV9 ? is it why some of them don't work properly, like the irc desklet ?
[10:55] <TheDarkSide> cmatheson ok
[10:55] <TheDarkSide> ill try
[10:55] <mumbles> CookieNinja,  onbord sound on a intel D915PGN
[10:56] <IcemanV9> CookieNinja: it doesn't work correctly and it is documented in forums as well
[10:56] <CookieNinja> erk @ onboard sound, probs means it uses software mixing to mix sounds from different programs. i don't know anythign about it, mumbles
[10:56] <CookieNinja> does it work at all, mumbles ?
[10:56] <sam_> does anyone know why the firefox icon is an earth globe?
[10:56] <eno__> do you guys want to know what is dumb?  I deleted the .gnome2  and .gconf2, and it removed my quick launch icons, but not my applets
[10:57] <WckdKl0wn> cookieninja, ok it installed but how do i open the program?
[10:57] <WckdKl0wn> cookieninja, it doesnt show up in any of the menus
[10:57] <HaroldJohnson> Can anyone here tell me how to go online using a wireless pc card?
[10:57] <NoHope> sam_, no. I just downloaded 1.04 version and replaced this.
[10:57] <eno__> and loading in GNOME doesn't work
[10:57] <cmatheson> eno__: do you have your menus back yet?
[10:57] <eno__> nope :'(
[10:57] <mumbles> CookieNinja, not as far is ive hered
[10:57] <cmatheson> do you have two panels on your screen?
[10:57] <benkong2> caould someone tell me where you change mail settings to use mbox to .maildir?
[10:57] <IcemanV9> WckdKl0wn: it's under Accessories
[10:58] <stianj> sam_: trademark issues
[10:58] <eno__> are there any more configuration files for gnome?
[10:58] <TheDarkSide> cmatheson thanks, the problem was the cd
[10:58] <TheDarkSide> blah
[10:58] <WckdKl0wn> ok there it is
[10:58] <CookieNinja> it should be in one of the program menus, WckdKl0wn. i think u mite need to refresh the desktop .. i forget what key combo tho :s
[10:58] <cmatheson> TheDarkSide: cool
[10:58] <TheDarkSide> how can i add gateway of interface 1 (eth1)
[10:58] <Efwis> AlbanianLord, after doing some hard research it turns out that intel did not make that sound card for use with NON-Windows OS's, it can be done but you need to recompile your Kernel and alsa to get it to work
[10:58] <auk> !blender
[10:58] <ubotu> Wish i knew, auk
[10:58] <sam_> it looks lame
[10:58] <IcemanV9> CookieNinja: killall gnome-panel :)
[10:59] <auk> hmm
[10:59] <ali1> xfgj
[10:59] <pgidz> ! info blender
[10:59] <ubotu> pgidz: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[10:59] <eno__> can I killall gnome-panel too?
[10:59] <ali1> vhnjklvl
[10:59] <pgidz> !info blender
[10:59] <ubotu> blender: (Very fast and versatile 3D modeller/renderer), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 2.36-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 3716 kB, Installed size: 9568 kB
[10:59] <ali1> hello>
[10:59] <CookieNinja> click on the desktop and press ctrl + r to refresh it, WckdKl0wn. that's a less radical option than yours IcemanV9 ;)
[10:59] <IcemanV9> haha :p
[10:59] <auk> thanks, pgidz
[11:00] <pgidz> auk you need to put !info before anything you want to know about
[11:00] <auk> no...
[11:00] <auk> !ubuntuguide
[11:00] <ubotu> hmm... ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[11:00] <WckdKl0wn> ok i found it.. but now how do i get the app to show up on the desktop?
[11:00] <tiglionabbit> !newusers
[11:00] <ubotu> hmm... newusers is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUbuntuUsers
[11:00] <eno__> ok, should I reinstall Ubuntu to fix this, or what?
[11:00] <CookieNinja> i had to do it loads when fc3 wudn't refresh the desktop automatically when u saved to desktop IcemanV9. doing it mannually to see a file u saved there often helps u remember
[11:01] <cmatheson> eno__: no! what do you mean you have no menus? are the two panels missing?
[11:01] <tiglionabbit> eno__: you probably shouldn't have to reinstall ubuntu for anything...
[11:01] <CookieNinja> i forget how to use it, WckdKl0wn. i think u select and drag em to desktop
[11:01] <auk> tiglioonabbit: sometimes it is more work to try to fix it than to jsut reinstall
[11:01] <tiglionabbit> eno__: can you run "gnome-panel" ?
[11:02] <eno__> the panels are there, but the applications, places and system menues are gone and I can't get them back
[11:02] <tiglionabbit> auk: true..  but this isn't a bad problem
[11:02] <CookieNinja> i didnt use it much, WckdKl0wn, i thought it looked nice but was a bit crap
[11:02] <tiglionabbit> eno__: yes you can
[11:02] <eno__> gnome-panel is already running
[11:02] <auk> !info ubuntiguide
[11:02] <tiglionabbit> add to panel "Application Launcher"
[11:02] <auk> !info ubuntuguide
[11:02] <Walkman> mumbles: I have found only RH version driver for your audio ... but have you tried it with UB ??
[11:02] <IcemanV9> WckdKl0wn: ha. it is complicated. hm, you need to go to gdesklets.gnome.org. d/l the package you wanted. drag the package onto the gdesklet shell. then, double-click the applet.
[11:02] <auk> ah i see
[11:03] <mumbles> Walkman,  ?
[11:03] <CookieNinja> the pre-installed ones were simpler than that, IcemanV9
[11:03] <tiglionabbit> eno__: right-click your panel on the edge of it, and select "add to panel" and pick "application launcher".  That should be all the things I believe
[11:03] <eno__> I added it, but it just makes an icon, I want the menu back if possible
[11:03] <raven3x7> hello
[11:03] <IcemanV9> i only used gdesklet for wireless monitor
[11:03] <eno__> I guess I could make drawers for all my stuff :S
[11:04] <raven3x7> anyone else having problems accessing the backports website
[11:04] <IcemanV9> CookieNinja: yea, i don't remember which one does work.
[11:04] <SDFH_Linux> how do you get kde for ubuntu
[11:04] <raven3x7> ?
[11:04] <CookieNinja> heh, i dont monitor wireless with anything ... if my net is up, it's working, if it's down it aint
[11:04] <moparfan90_> does anyone here know where i can download a freel/full version of doom 3????
[11:04] <TheDarkSide> which is the executive file of ubuntu ?
[11:04] <tiglionabbit> eno__: oh I'm sorry, it's actually called "Main Menu"
[11:04] <cmatheson> SDFH_Linux: aptitude install kubuntu
[11:04] <SDFH_Linux> k
[11:04] <eno__> oh ok!
[11:04] <WckdKl0wn> thanx icemanv9
[11:04] <SDFH_Linux> i imagine its ok
[11:04] <SDFH_Linux> right?
[11:04] <cmatheson> TheDarkSide: don't quite understand what you mean by executive file
[11:04] <WckdKl0wn> and thanx cookieninja
[11:04] <eno__> hey there main menu!
[11:04] <CookieNinja> no probs, WckdKl0wn
[11:05] <TheDarkSide> cmatheson like startup in windows :)
[11:05] <eno__> thanks that is great!  now it takes up less space too!
[11:05] <eno__> you are awesome
[11:05] <eno__> thanks everybody
[11:05] <HappyFool> cmatheson: it's carried in a briefcase by ceo's
[11:05] <IcemanV9> CookieNinja: well, i travel and i would like to know which spot has a better strength.
[11:05] <TheDarkSide> cmatheson on fedora it is /etc/rc.local on slack - /etc/rc.d/*
[11:05] <cmatheson> TheDarkSide: hmm... i don't know what that is (been like 10 years since i've used windows).  what does it do?
[11:05] <auk> happyfool: lol
[11:05] <mbirkis> is there any online portscanners that can tell me what i have open or closed or what services i have running on my server?
[11:05] <cmatheson> TheDarkSide: ooooh
[11:05] <CookieNinja> ahh, fair enough, IcemanV9
[11:05] <moparfan90_> does anyone here know where i can download a freel/full version of doom 3????  tell me!!
[11:05] <CookieNinja> mbirkis, gimme ur ip and i will tell you
[11:05] <cmatheson> TheDarkSide: ubuntu (debian) doesn't have a rc.local, what do you want to start up when you boot?
[11:05] <mumbles> mbirkis,  theres a linux command
[11:06] <TheDarkSide> cmatheson iptables rulz and macchanger ..
[11:06] <mbirkis> mumbles: what is it?
[11:06] <raven3x7> anyone else having problems accessing the backports website?
[11:06] <neiras> Hey there - just wondering, what is the status of usplash? Is it going into Breezy?
[11:06] <tiglionabbit> eno__: oh um, whoops, I know there is the exact thing in there somewhere, because I resolved the same problem a while ago, but I can't remember what the thing is called...
[11:06] <mumbles> cant remember
[11:06] <moparfan90_> does anyone here know where i can download a freel/full version of doom 3????
[11:06] <CookieNinja> moparfan90_, you want doom3 ... pay for it you tight git
[11:06] <mumbles> moparfan90_ --- go and buy it
[11:07] <CookieNinja> you got a free os
[11:07] <mumbles> try cex or gamesationt if you live in england
[11:07] <cmatheson> TheDarkSide: hmm... not too sure, i thought that iptables-save would have taken care of that.  but the macchanger might need some more research
[11:07] <eno__> no this works great, thanks tiglion rabbit
[11:07] <Troy_McClure> hello everyone, i need some help getting my 3d acceleration to work
[11:07] <tiglionabbit> eno__: oh there it is.  I'm sorry.  The thing ubuntu normally uses is "Menu Bar -- add a custom menu bar"
[11:07] <auk> cmatheson: executables, .exe, is liek a bin (sort of....i think)
[11:07] <moparfan90_> oo you people
[11:07] <TheDarkSide> that sux :(
[11:07] <CookieNinja> troglodyt, what gfx card ?
[11:07] <eno__> I like the little footprint I think
[11:07] <auk> lol
[11:08] <tiglionabbit> eno__: yeah but don't you want the places and system menus too?  Might want to get the custom bar back..  unless you want to customize that one
[11:08] <eno__> places and system are in this one at the bottom, so that is fine
[11:08] <Troy_McClure> i have a radeon 9800 XT, and i used the drivers off the ati site, and followed the instructions, but i get an error when i try to load anything with being unable to load the GLX module and it is in the xorg.conf
[11:08] <auk> rofl
[11:08] <eno__> it was just a bit of a pain because I didn't know what the apps were all called so if I wanted to run one I would have to go on the net and find out the name of it :S
[11:09] <CookieNinja> erk sorry, Troy_McClure, i only know about nvidia gfx card
[11:09] <benkong2> how can I set the $EDITOR variable for ubuntu echo $EDITOR returns no results
[11:09] <tiglionabbit> eno__: oh good
[11:09] <youth> how do i get the newest version of wine?
[11:09] <tiglionabbit> eno__: well you should be able to just say "firefox" from the terminal
[11:10] <ith> hello
[11:10] <eno__> I figured that out, but the rest was a pain... like I forgot what xchat was called
[11:10] <cmatheson> youth: you'll have to go to winehq.com and compile the sources yourself
[11:10] <youth> thanks
[11:10] <Troy_McClure> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/539 thats ther error i get when i start Americas Army
[11:10] <CookieNinja> download it from their website and follow the instructions, youth. they have a fairly good script with it that steps u through the whole setup from making it, installing it and then configuring it post install
[11:10] <tiglionabbit> eno__: well at least now, after a bunch of farcing around, you know how to customize your gnome menus
[11:11] <youth> thanks to you too :D
[11:11] <cmatheson> Troy_McClure: looks like you have two problems... one can easily be solved by typing 'killall esd' the other one will need you to get your 3d card working properly
[11:12] <eno__> yeah and I learned some more command line which is probably the important thing
[11:12] <eno__> thanks again
[11:12] <x_o1> How do I look at the output of ifconfig and determine the gateway with a DHCP address?
[11:12] <Troy_McClure> yeah i read on the esd thing, but i am not sure what is wrong with my 3d card
[11:12] <popey> x_o1: you don't. Use "route"
[11:12] <din> x_o1, not ifconfig, type route
[11:12] <CookieNinja> did u search the forums on america's army's website, Troy_McClure ?
[11:12] <cmatheson> Troy_McClure: type 'glxinfo | grep direct' -- does it say Yes or No?
[11:12] <Troy_McClure> i installed the propietary driver package from ATI and used there little script to write a xorg.conf
[11:13] <zyrr> how can i access a folder in terminal that has doublesided name? eg. "my music"
[11:13] <raven3x7> when you import a gpg key from a repo how do you tell synaptic that you installe the new key. is a restart of synaptic necessary?
[11:13] <Troy_McClure> direct rendering: No
[11:13] <IcemanV9> mine is RADEON
[11:13] <x_o1> Cool, thanks.  Is there a good way to edit network settings, without using network-admin?  If I change to a static IP with X11 forwarding, it doesn't properly write the file when I click apply, but yet it boots me off my ssh connection.
[11:13] <dmk> escape the characters
[11:13] <dmk> using \
[11:13] <blueyed> zyrr: escape the space.. like "my\ music"
[11:14] <din> x_o1, use ifconfig to do it
[11:14] <tiglionabbit> x_o1: /etc/network/interfaces
[11:14] <blueyed> zyrr: or use TAB (key) which does it for you..
[11:14] <dmk> so for CURRICULUM VITAE.doc use CURRICULUM\ VITAE.doc
[11:14] <Troy_McClure> direct rendering: No
[11:14] <Troy_McClure> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[11:14] <dmk> and so on
[11:14] <zyrr> ahaa tanks blueyed
[11:14] <x_o1> Yeah, I would just prefer not to edit /etc/network/interfaces by hand since I am not completely sure of the key names.
[11:14] <tiglionabbit> x_o1: there are also several commandline tools you can get for networking, but hoary's networking setup isn't very good
[11:14] <x_o1> OK, cool.
[11:15] <x_o1> tiglionabbit:  Can you recommend any of those command line tools?
[11:15] <cmatheson> Troy_McClure: ok your 3d card is not setup properly... i don't have an ati card so you're going to have to consult the docs
[11:15] <din> x_o1, ifconfig (device) (ipaddr) netmask (mask) broadcast (bcast)
[11:15] <grogoreo> can someone please tell me where the plugin folder is for gaim?
[11:15] <din> x_o1, route add default gw (gateway addr)
[11:15] <db2> Hey everyone. I'm installing Ubuntu, and this is my first shot at Linux... So I have some newbie questions that are so simple, I'm sure it'll hurt. :-P
[11:15] <eno__> can I edit the .gnome2 and .gconf2 files?
[11:15] <cmatheson> x_o1: check out the networking HOWTO at tldp.org
[11:15] <Troy_McClure> do you know if there is an apt-get ati thing?
[11:15] <mbirkis> where is the gateway info normally stored? (the standard gateway?)
[11:15] <eno__> or are the in hex or something?
[11:15] <cmatheson> x_o1: also read 'man interfaces' and 'man ifconfig'
[11:15] <tiglionabbit> !ati
[11:15] <ubotu> well, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:15] <raven3x7> when you import a gpg key from a repo how do you tell synaptic that you installe the new key. is a restart of synaptic necessary? I'm asking this cause synaptic tells me that it cant authenticate backports
[11:15] <kebab_tomten> when ubuntu send cd are they totaly free for me..i live in sweden!!
[11:16] <raven3x7> hey db welcome
[11:16] <pgidz> kebab_tomten, yes
[11:16] <dmk> grogoreo, /usr/lib/gaim
[11:16] <leroj> hey kebab_tomten, are you swedish by any chance?
[11:16] <db2> I am at the boot screen right now...  When I type 'linux' to install, will it automatically format my C: Drive? Or should I do that before hand?
[11:16] <Vantage_> is there a mirror of backports.ubuntuforums.org ?
[11:17] <x_o1> It would be nice if there was a command line script to check the syntax in /etc/network/interfaces before you reboot the network.
[11:17] <kebab_tomten> yes!!
[11:17] <leroj> :)
[11:17] <tiglionabbit> !backports
[11:17] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, backports is at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[11:17] <kebab_tomten> arte you?
[11:17] <din> x_o1, cat /etc/network/interfaces hehe
[11:17] <kebab_tomten> r du?
[11:17] <leroj> ja
[11:17] <tiglionabbit> Vantage_: read the backports site, it tells you about the mirrors
[11:18] <Vantage_> tiglionabbit: i can't connect to that address. resolves to 69.46.19.12 can you?
[11:18] <tiglionabbit> actually, might be best to just copy the ones in here--
[11:18] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[11:18] <ubotu> somebody said sources was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[11:18] <grogoreo> thanks dmk
[11:18] <Vantage_> tiglionabbit: my problem is I can't read the backports site atm :)
[11:18] <IcemanV9> db2: just press 'enter' and follow those instructions including partition your hd
[11:19] <x_o1> Is routing information stored in the /etc/network/interfaces file?  I set a gateway, but refreshing the network doesn't give me a default route when I run route.  Hmmm...
[11:19] <IcemanV9> db2: you'll be fine as long as you let Ubuntu do the work :)
[11:19] <Coil101> Goody! Ubuntu is installed, what should my BIOS be again?
[11:19] <raven3x7> db2 no it will ask you later if you want to format the whole drive or want to create a custom partition,after setting up some of your hardware. be carefull though the default is to take over the whiole drive so read the screen before doing anything
[11:20] <tiglionabbit> Vantage_: use the mirror in the newuserguide, it'll work
[11:20] <db2> thanks everyone.   One more Q: I have a D: Drive on there set as the slave drive. It's just 160gb of data (music, video, etc)...  Will Ubuntu be able to read this drive?  Or will I just have to wait til my next Windows machine to stick this hard drive back in?
[11:21] <grogoreo> how can I make an ISO from a CD? from the CLI
[11:21] <Vantage_> and that mirror would be.... (or the location of the newuserguide would be...)
[11:21] <raven3x7> tiglionabbit where is the new user guide? this situation with backports beeing inaccessible is rather annoying
[11:22] <raven3x7> db2 it will be able to read it. if its ntfs it wont be able to write to it. read http://ubuntuguide.org for details
[11:22] <Vantage_> raven3x7: i think i found it here http://ubuntuguide.org/ it lists
[11:22] <IcemanV9> db2: yep, Ubuntu can read it
[11:22] <Vantage_> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[11:22] <XRayNuke> Hi! I need to install Ubuntu 5.04 PowerPC on an iMac G3's external hard drive, but its optical drive is broken. I have a desktop G4 available. If I use that to install on the external hard drive, will it work on the iMac? Does Ubuntu PowerPC install any processor-specific binaries?
[11:22] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[11:22] <ubotu> from memory, sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[11:22] <db2> sweet. It only has 15mb free on it, so writing to it isnt a problem anyways :-P
[11:22] <Vantage_> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[11:23] <tiglionabbit> raven3x7: read what I made ubotu spit out
[11:23] <db2> ok, thanks everyone. Pressing "enter" so here goes my first trip into Linux
[11:23] <tiglionabbit> you guys, don't use ubuntuguide.  We're trying to make something more usable, here
[11:23] <zyrr> but blueyed  , when i trie to access the folder now i cannot tab it!!
[11:23] <tiglionabbit> !newusers
[11:23] <ubotu> newusers is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUbuntuUsers
[11:23] <raven3x7> tiglionabbit thanks
[11:23] <benjaminwr> hi can anyone help me with a disk read error after installation?
[11:24] <din> benjaminwr, what's the error?
[11:24] <Walkman> !modprobe
[11:24] <ubotu> Walkman: Bugger all, i dunno
[11:24] <raven3x7> Vantage_ i already have those but synaptic says its unable to authenticate the package. i wont risk getting a trojaned package installed
[11:24] <benjaminwr> din once I finish installing ubuntu and grub I reboot and I get a system disk boot error, please insert...
[11:25] <benjaminwr> din it asked me to install grub on hd0
[11:25] <benjaminwr> I think that is the disk I am booting from
[11:25] <din> benjaminwr, that sounds correct, hd0 is the first disk according to grub
[11:25] <benjaminwr> I set it as the first disk on the bios
[11:25] <benjaminwr> so I suppose it is correct
[11:25] <zyrr> how can i access a folder in terminal that has doublesided name? eg. "Quake 2"
[11:25] <blueyed> zyrr: if you are in /home/zyrr and there is a folder "foo bar", just type "cd f<TAB>" and it should autocomplete.. if it does not, tab again and there are all possibilities.
[11:26] <benjaminwr> din I have tried with two different HDDs
[11:26] <cmatheson> zyrr: cd Quake\ 2
[11:26] <nalioth> zyrr: from a terminal?
[11:26] <tiglionabbit> zyrr: double-sided?
[11:26] <nalioth> zyrr: or cd "Quake 2"
[11:26] <Troy_McClure> i am back
[11:26] <XRayNuke> zyrr: put a backslash before each space or wrap the name in quotes, cd Quake\ 2 or cd "Quake 2"
[11:26] <Troy_McClure> and still with no solution
[11:26] <din> benjaminwr, are you sure you're installing grub correctly?
[11:27] <Vantage_> raven3x7: that would be gpg checking. i imagine the mirrors don't have the proper gpg keys
[11:27] <raven3x7> hmmm no info about the gpg key there either?
[11:27] <zyrr> thanks everyone! finally it works :D
[11:27] <raven3x7> Vantage_ could be
[11:27] <benjaminwr> din, I let the installation decide about grub, it has worked fine like that on the laptop
[11:27] <benjaminwr> it detects my other OSs
[11:27] <benjaminwr> it asks me if I want to istall it to the boot sector of hd0
[11:27] <raven3x7> Vantage_ thats dangerous though
[11:27] <din> benjaminwr, are they scsi?
[11:27] <Troy_McClure> okay, so i think i may know the problem, in my xorg.conf, there is two display drivers and one just says generic display and underneath that one is my ATI driver, could it be using the generic one?
[11:28] <benjaminwr> din there isn't that much more to it right
[11:28] <benjaminwr> no it is IDE
[11:28] <din> k
[11:28] <benjaminwr> seagate
[11:28] <din> benjaminwr, yeah, that's about all there is to it really. it should be working fine if you install it to the first sector of hd0
[11:28] <CookieNinja> comment out the generic one, and see what happens, Troy_McClure
[11:29] <CookieNinja> you have to restart x tho
[11:29] <Troy_McClure> yeah i figured that
[11:29] <nalioth> raven3x7: you wont get trojaned. watch ubotu
[11:29] <nalioth> !usrepos
[11:29] <ubotu> well, usrepos is if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:29] <cmatheson> Troy_McClure: you shouldn't even need to comment it out, the "Screen" section tells what device it's using.  just change that
[11:29] <aptloverg> ay there everyone, um im  haveing problems geting sound going on an old laptop ; where do i go to change the drivers round and stuff?
[11:29] <benjaminwr> din, might it be that my partitions don't leave enough space for grub?
[11:29] <Troy_McClure> screen section?
[11:30] <din> benjaminwr, how much space did you use for it?
[11:30] <Vantage_> raven3x7: not that dangerous. i mean, gpg checking has only been a recent thing... debian's done fine without it for a long while. i guess it's how much you trust the mirror *shrug*
[11:30] <HaroldJohnson> Anyone: How do I find out what my MAC address is?
[11:30] <din> HaroldJohnson, ifconfig
[11:30] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: howdy
[11:30] <benjaminwr> din, I have an 80gb hd. I use 4gb swap and the rest for /
[11:30] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: ifconfig
[11:30] <HaroldJohnson> din,  That's not telling me, I don't think.
[11:30] <HaroldJohnson> naliothHello
[11:30] <benjaminwr> din, I partition manually and set bootable flag to / partition
[11:30] <benkong2> HaroldJohnson, ifconfig <interface> ex. eth0
[11:30] <din> HaroldJohnson, ifconfig will tell you your mac address
[11:31] <raven3x7> Vantage_ my concern is more with someone tampering with the mirror, but i guess i have no choice if i want to play dvds
[11:31] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: HWaddr = MAC
[11:31] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: its HWaddr
[11:31] <HaroldJohnson> benkong2, Is that listed after HWaddr
[11:31] <CookieNinja> if u don't know your network card name, just do  ifconfig -a HaroldJohnson and you will work it out from there
[11:31] <benkong2> HaroldJohnson, yes
[11:31] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, Thank you
[11:31] <zAo^> anyone know how to install/where to get libdvdcss2 for Breezy?
[11:31] <HaroldJohnson> benkong2, Thanks
[11:31] <Troy_McClure> cmatheson, what do you mean Screen section?
[11:31] <HaroldJohnson> naliothThanks
[11:31] <benkong2> HaroldJohnson, np
[11:31] <zAo^> its nog in multiuniverse ^^
[11:31] <raven3x7> nalioth no md5sum mismatch. its unable to authenticate at all
[11:32] <nalioth> raven3x7: sounds like a momentary thing to me. is it?
[11:32] <Troy_McClure> cmatheson, never mind i think i found it, it says ATI Graphics Display so it should be using that..
[11:33] <eliUbuntu> anyone familiar with .ICEauthority?
[11:33] <raven3x7> nalioth dunno. i can istall the software. synaptic just warns me that it can't authenticate
[11:33] <Vantage_> raven3x7: yeah, don't get me wrong, i'd rather have it than not have it, but in a pinch, the odds of being ok are pretty good...
[11:33] <cmatheson> Troy_McClure: yeah
[11:33] <nalioth> raven3x7: ah, you are using nonofficial repos, no?
[11:33] <HaroldJohnson> Anyone: I may have asked the wrong question.  I'm trying to configure my wireless connection; how do I locate my IP address?
[11:33] <cmatheson> HaroldJohnson: 'ifconfig'
[11:33] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: ifconfig
[11:33] <raven3x7> nalioth ubuntu extras
[11:33] <aptloverg> could anyone help me with sound? how do i switch drivers around where do i go to see a list of avalible ones
[11:34] <HaroldJohnson> cmatheson, Would that be the inet6 addr?
[11:34] <cmatheson> HaroldJohnson: are you using inet6?
[11:34] <drew> hey, does anyone here know how to change where GAIM keeps its logs?
[11:34] <HaroldJohnson> cmatheson, I don't know what I'm using.
[11:34] <eliUbuntu> is the correct way to mount a vfat drive through the media directory?
[11:34] <HaroldJohnson> cmatheson, I'm trying to get going using madwifi.
[11:34] <Troy_McClure> okay that was really odd.... i just ran americas army from the terminal, and it showed the splash screen but no error and it just quit
[11:34] <cmatheson> HaroldJohnson: you're probably using ipv4, but yeah, it will tell you all of the above
[11:35] <drew> eliUbuntu, yes it is.  check http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountfat for more info
[11:35] <raven3x7> Vantage_ yeah. i agree actually.  im just a bit paranoid about security sometimes.
[11:35] <osity> can anyone walk me through a raid 1 setup
[11:35] <osity> ?
[11:35] <jeanluc_v_2> hi
[11:35] <cmatheson> HaroldJohnson: just run ifconfig and it will tell you all the ip4/6 addresses of all your interfaces
[11:35] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: want a automated script to mount your stuff?
[11:35] <Troy_McClure> or wait.... its still running, but its not doing a dang thing
[11:35] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: yep
[11:36] <nalioths_dog> eliUbuntu: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[11:36] <SpecialBuddy> whats the best version of linux for a laptop thats pretty old
[11:36] <eliUbuntu> thanks!
[11:36] <zAo^> can someone plz send me the hoary version of libdvdcss2?? thanks!
[11:36] <drew> hey, does anyone here know how to change where GAIM keeps its logs?
[11:36] <WckdKl0wn> can ubuntu be installed on a modded xbox?
[11:36] <zAo^> drew, tried links?
[11:36] <cmatheson> SpecialBuddy: it's all the same, just make sure not to run GNOME/KDE etc.
[11:36] <zAo^> WckdKl0wn, no
[11:36] <Coil101> Ever window open is too big, I can't even see the whole thing.
[11:36] <raven3x7> zAo^ just add the ubuntu extras repo to synaptic
[11:36] <Coil101> How can I fix it?
[11:36] <drew> zao, what?
[11:37] <SpecialBuddy> so it won't be graphical
[11:37] <HaroldJohnson> Anyone know how to configure a wireless connection?
[11:37] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: i'm using madwifi for ath card; it works awesome
[11:37] <drew> zAo^, huh?
[11:37] <zAo^> raven3x7, I have Breezy, but libdvdcss2 is not in the repo
[11:37] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, I don't understand how to use it.
[11:37] <cmatheson> HaroldJohnson: what's the problem w/ your wireless?
[11:37] <blmartin771> Is ubuntu compatible with debian?
[11:37] <zAo^> drew, ln -s dir1 dir2
[11:37] <cmatheson> blmartin771: compatible in what way?
[11:37] <jchicks> How do I change the display resolution?
[11:37] <HaroldJohnson> cmatheson, I just don't understand how to use it.
[11:37] <cmatheson> !resolution
[11:37] <ubotu> it has been said that resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:37] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: this will not mount ntfs with writing correct?
[11:37] <drew> zAo^, oh, a symbolic link?
[11:37] <blmartin771> All package respitories
[11:37] <kasman> i whant ubuntu but i have an slow connection can i buy buy ubuntu somewhere?
[11:37] <zAo^> jchicks, why VGA card do you have>
[11:37] <HaroldJohnson> cmatheson, I think it's installed, but what do I do to connect.
[11:37] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: correct, read-only
[11:38] <zAo^> drew, yes?
[11:38] <eliUbuntu> ok
[11:38] <Seveas> blmartin771, not binary compatible
[11:38] <Seveas> blmartin771, only source compatible
[11:38] <drew> zAo^, which is dir1 and which is dir2?
[11:38] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: there is a "guide" i wrote in forums ... hld
[11:38] <cmatheson> HaroldJohnson: nothing, if it works it connects for you , otherwise you need to configure it
[11:38] <HaroldJohnson>  IcemanV9 How to you connect?
[11:38] <Seveas> kasman, you can order cd's for free
[11:38] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, It didn't work
[11:38] <blmartin771> So can I download packages from debian and install them on ubuntu is what I am getting at?
[11:38] <zAo^> drew, ln -s <current_log_dir> <new_dir>
[11:38] <kasman> where..are they free i from norway?
[11:38] <raven3x7> zAo^ ftp://ftp2.caliu.info/backports/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/libdvdcss2_1.2.8-1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb
[11:38] <zAo^> thanks raven3x7
[11:38] <drew> zAo^,  thanks!
[11:39] <nalioth> blmartin771: not advised, debian pkgs may break ubuntu
[11:39] <HaroldJohnson> cmatheson, That's what I'm saying; I've followed the guides I've located online, but everything's too complicated.
[11:39] <ateves> hi, i want to reset all the changes i made to my gnome desktop, but i want to keep my useraccount, is there a way to get back to the virgin state of gnome by deleting some folders?
[11:39] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: iwconfig ath0
[11:39] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, Yes, i've done that.
[11:39] <blmartin771> So what if a package that I want is not available in ubuntu?
[11:39] <raven3x7> zAo^ thats for hoary though. you understand that
[11:39] <Seveas> blmartin771, almost all debian packages (and more) are in Ubuntu
[11:39] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: any info?
[11:39] <zAo^> raven3x7, I do. I'll try
[11:39] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, It just displays alot of info.  What in the world do I do with that info.?
[11:39] <Seveas> blmartin771, are you lookig for something specific?
[11:40] <tiglionabbit> blmartin771: you should first check to see that you have the right repositories
[11:40] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[11:40] <ubotu> sources is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[11:40] <pgidz> kasman this is the link you need http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[11:40] <tiglionabbit> there are things in hoary-extras that you may not know about
[11:40] <XRayNuke> blmartin771: you can download the source and build it yourself if you want a package that isn't in the repository yet. what do you want to install?
[11:40] <HaroldJohnson> !wireless
[11:40] <ubotu> somebody said wireless was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[11:41] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: iwconfig ath0 essid any
[11:41] <kasman> ok..thanx..are they completly free even when i live in norway?
[11:41] <blmartin771> Where do I check to see if I have the right respitories and what are the right ones
[11:41] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, Done that, too.
[11:41] <pgidz> kasman yes
[11:41] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: ok. dhclient ath0
[11:41] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, Done it.
[11:41] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: nothing happened?
[11:42] <rob_lt> blmartin771, look in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:42] <HaroldJohnson> It does this DHCPDISCOVER deal.
[11:42] <fat_larry> blmartin771: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[11:42] <kasman> so they came to my house and i dont pat nothing??
[11:42] <kasman> pay*
[11:42] <pgidz> kasman that is correct they even pay the shipping costs
[11:42] <TheDarkSide> is SSHD installed on ubuntu by default ?
[11:42] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: ok. ifconfig ath0 should show IP address
[11:42] <kasman> damn what nice of them!!
[11:43] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, Yes, but what in the world do I do with that information?
[11:43] <pgidz> kasman order a few and give them to your friends
[11:43] <denbo> how do I make a menu item for a program that you have to sudo in a terminal normally.
[11:43] <kasman> yes i will..
[11:43] <kasman> can i have 10 cd?
[11:43] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: then, you're connected with wireless .. right?
[11:43] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, Nope.
[11:44] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, ping google.com returns nothing.
[11:44] <denbo> i'm running gpppon/gpppwrap and would like to be able to fire it up from a menu item.
[11:44] <Walkman> !ipv4
[11:44] <ubotu> Walkman: Bugger all, i dunno
[11:44] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: another question, do i just paste thins "inside" fstab or do i save this as fstab?
[11:44] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, More specifially: ping: unknown host google.com
[11:44] <Troy_McClure> why is it that when i finally have time to fix this, my resouorces of help (americas army forum and IRC chat) are both down?
[11:44] <pgidz> kasman you can ask it won't do any harm
[11:44] <din> HaroldJohnson, ssid set correctly on the device?
[11:44] <kasman> ok..i cant belive it..they send cd for fre ti my door!!
[11:44] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: iwconfig ath0 should show essid
[11:44] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: you should open a terminal in the same directory of the winmac_fstab
[11:44] <HaroldJohnson> din, How do I check that?
[11:44] <osity> has anyone used raid 1 on ubuntu? please message me...I have many questions
[11:44] <zAo^> later all
[11:45] <_maydayjay_> quit
[11:45] <_maydayjay_> exit
[11:45] <din> HaroldJohnson, what type of wireless device are you connecting to? linksys router, etc...
[11:45] <pgidz> kasman when the man behind the project is so rich you can do things like that
[11:45] <HaroldJohnson> din, I'm trying to connect to any open networks.
[11:45] <drew> can someone walk me through this symbolic link creation?
[11:46] <kasman> ohh..how is it?
[11:46] <din> HaroldJohnson, you need to know the ssid of a wireless network to connect to it lol
[11:46] <HaroldJohnson> din, This morning I was in a cafe where they had an open wireless access point a few feet away from me.  I had no idea how to connect to it.
[11:46] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: anything on essid?
[11:46] <drew> ln: creating symbolic link `/media/windows/Documents and Settings/drew/logs' to `/home/drew/.gaim/logs': Operation not permitted
[11:46] <drew> why is that?
[11:46] <kasman> damn the cd are nice too..
[11:46] <HaroldJohnson> din, Yes, I think I know how to scan for the essid.  It's iwlist ath0 scan, correct?
[11:46] <goldfish> yes.
[11:46] <kasman> i want to thanx him!!
[11:47] <osity> can anyone tell me anything about the raid installer in ubuntu?
[11:47] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, iwconfig displays; ESSID: ""
[11:47] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: when i clicked on the link i was broughgt to the page where the program is depicted. do you mean i pase the text into the terminal and hit enter?
[11:47] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: dhclient ath0 will connect you to an open network
[11:47] <drew> could someone please help me with creating a symbolic link? I'm a linux n00b
[11:47] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, It's not!
[11:47] <nalioth> drew: "ln -s file symbolic_link"   or for example "ln -s /usr/alternatives/jre/java /usr/bin/java" makes a symbolic link of /usr/bin/java
[11:47] <drew>  nalioth could we pm about this?
[11:47] <drew> nalioth, cus i'm getting an error
[11:47] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: save that page as
[11:47] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, I must be doing something wrong, and unfortunately I'm not finding the support i need.
[11:48] <osity> is there any documentation on the raid installer in ubuntu?
[11:48] <nalioth> drew: join ##apple
[11:48] <WckdKl0wn> http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/  can someone checkl to see if this site is working or is it just my computer
[11:48] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: then, something ain't right.
[11:48] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, That's why I'm here.
[11:48] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: save the page as "stab"?
[11:48] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: i assumed that you already check the thread in forums > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38972
[11:48] <eliUbuntu> "fstab"?
[11:48] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, Ubuntu's not very good for wireless support, I've heard.
[11:48] <eliUbuntu> i mean
[11:48] <drew> nalioth, done
[11:49] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: refresh that page, please, a new upgraded copy just went up
[11:49] <din> HaroldJohnson, it works just fine
[11:49] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, I've checked that, I've checked everything in Ubunt I could find.
[11:49] <eliUbuntu> oh
[11:49] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, it's as good as any linux distribution or better
[11:49] <HaroldJohnson> din, That's not what I heard.
[11:49] <din> HaroldJohnson, iwlist (dev) scan will show you the ssid
[11:49] <linuxboy> when running ./configure on a prorgam, I get this: checking for main in -lcurses... no
[11:49] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, wpa and ndiswrapper are still a pain in the ass
[11:49] <linuxboy> configure: error: Curses not found
[11:49] <linuxboy> what package do I need?
[11:49] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: actually it does work .. just work at it
[11:49] <Seveas> linuxboy, aptitude install libncurses5-dev
[11:49] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: this new version should have detailed instructions on how to operate it
[11:49] <HaroldJohnson> din: Yes, but what in the world do I do with that information?  Nobody seems to want to say!
[11:49] <linuxboy> Seveas: ty
[11:49] <din> HaroldJohnson, i have it working fine on my laptop, it's gentoo though, but it should not matter. the tools you connect with are the same
[11:50] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, I've been working at this for days!@
[11:50] <HaroldJohnson> din, Good for you
[11:50] <din> HaroldJohnson, well what's the essid?
[11:50] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: make sure you're near any open network .. iwlist ath0 scan
[11:50] <tpadzik> WckdK10wn: http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/  is death
[11:50] <Troy_McClure> okay i have another problem
[11:50] <HaroldJohnson> din, ESSID: ""
[11:50] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: thanks, for the update
[11:50] <tiglionabbit> death?
[11:50] <HaroldJohnson> din, That's what I'm getting.
[11:50] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: i am sorry that you are frustrated, but we're trying to help ya
[11:50] <Troy_McClure> no matter what i do, one of my partitions is onyl accesible by root
[11:50] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, ESSID "" is a pain to use
[11:50] <TheDarkSide> how can i change my hostname ?
[11:50] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, can you change it?
[11:50] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, I realize that, and I'm appreciative.  I really am.
[11:50] <Troy_McClure> i used that little script to automatically mount all my partitions
[11:50] <mumbles> woah ..  compiling the package for my intel based sound is taking forever
[11:50] <Seveas> TheDarkSide, edit /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts and reboot
[11:51] <TheDarkSide> Seveas thanks
[11:51] <Troy_McClure> but it still says one of my paritions i do not have permissions to access to
[11:51] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, I'm just getting so tired of this.  I've been working at this for over a week, between installing Ubuntu and trying to get wireless going.
[11:51] <supernix> Hi everytime I start Kmid it gives an error about /dev/sequencer and then when I look there I don't see any /dev/sequencer how do I fix this
[11:51] <din> HaroldJohnson, iwconfig eth1 essid (essid name here)
[11:51] <Seveas> Troy_McClure, paste your /etc/fstab on paste.ubuntulinux.nl please
[11:51] <benkong2> in gentoo rc-update add postfix default causes postfix to be added to the default run level at boot. what does that in ubuntu? Trying to make a home server.
[11:51] <tpadzik> tiglionabbit: scusas :) i'm from Poland :)
[11:51] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: do you have list of essid now? try to change to another essid (strongest one if you can) iwconfig ath0 essid <whatever>
[11:51] <din> HaroldJohnson, then dhclient (device) ath0 for you right?
[11:51] <Seveas> benkong2, update-rc.d postfix default
[11:51] <din> or you can use ifconfig to give it a static
[11:52] <tiglionabbit> tpadzik: oh you mean it's dead
[11:52] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: is it explained well?
[11:52] <tpadzik> yessssssssssssss! :)
[11:52] <benkong2> Seveas, cool that is awesome are these commands in a guide anywhere?
[11:52] <HaroldJohnson> That's the trouble with Linux; everyone expects you to already understand what in the world they're talking about.
[11:52] <zer> Is there something like amarok (with lyrics and all these cool features) in GTK / Gnome?!
[11:52] <Seveas> benkong2, man update-rc.d
[11:52] <nalioth> benkong2: seveas is a bot
[11:52] <nalioth> lol
[11:52] <tiglionabbit> zer: dunno, but you can still get AmaroK
[11:52] <din> HaroldJohnson, we are telling you the commands to type...
[11:53] <benkong2> nalioth, a bot?
[11:53] <din> duh
[11:53] <martigan> anyone knows to enable intel mobile 4 scaling under hoary?
[11:53] <HaroldJohnson> din, I don't even know where to begin...
[11:53] <mumbles> bugger
[11:53] <nalioth> benkong2: ask him anything
[11:53] <zer> tiglionabbit: sure...but it doesn't work here..I can only choose aRts as Engine and i get not sound with it
[11:53] <Troy_McClure> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/540
[11:53] <Troy_McClure> there is my fstab
[11:53] <mumbles> last bit in the howto and i get a fatle error
[11:53] <HaroldJohnson> din, If I could tell you how many times I've typed iwconf, iwlist scan, iwconfig ath0 up, etc...
[11:53] <tiglionabbit> HaroldJohnson: actually, we're quite kind to newbies here, in comparison to other chats
[11:53] <benkong2> Seveas, what color is blue?
[11:53] <supernix> Hi everytime I start Kmid it gives an error about /dev/sequencer and then when I look there I don't see any /dev/sequencer how do I fix this
[11:54] <Troy_McClure> hdc1 is the one i can not get access to only through root
[11:54] <Seveas> benkong2, the 3rd of the primitive colors
[11:54] <Troy_McClure> i see that that is all set right... so i have no idea
[11:54] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit: And I'm supposed to be thankful you're not unkind?
[11:54] <cmatheson> supernix: you don't have a real midi device.  may want to check out timidity
[11:54] <supernix> I have been trying desperately to get to where I can listen to Midi files
[11:54] <tiglionabbit> HaroldJohnson: yes
[11:54] <tiglionabbit> HaroldJohnson: now what was your question?
[11:54] <supernix> I have it installed how do I use it ?
[11:54] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit, That's some attitude.
[11:54] <benkong2> nalioth, hmmmm... it take more than a bot to do that huh?
[11:54] <nalioth> benkong2: some people wonder
[11:54] <Seveas> Troy_McClure, can you paste the output of the command 'mount' ther too please
[11:54] <knoppix> hey
[11:54] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: just did it. yes it was well explained. I cannot access one partition (vfat). I suspect it is because it has already been mounted. should i reboot to see if the error is corrected?
[11:54] <tiglionabbit> HaroldJohnson: come on dude, it's free help, and a lot more responsive than some tech support line
[11:55] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: reboot is only necessary when you upgrade the kernel
[11:55] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: the ntfs drive did mount correctly though
[11:55] <knoppix> anyone useing ubuntu with vmware 4 or lower ?
[11:55] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: a "umount" command may be used
[11:55] <supernix> cmatheson: how do you fire up Timidiy or whatever that was I know I have it installed
[11:55] <eliUbuntu> let me try that
[11:55] <IcemanV9> ok, HaroldJohnson, let try this way .. 1) iwlist ath0 scan (get the list) 2) iwconfig ath0 essid <whichever has strong signal> 3) dhclient ath0
[11:55] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit, I agree, and it's been wonderful, for the most part.  Absolutely incredible support, except for the wireless part.
[11:55] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, ig you type mount with no arguments, you can see what is mounted already
[11:55] <cmatheson> supernix: i reckon you probably don't have it installed... first do 'aptitude install timidity' and then launch it (run timidity from the command line)
[11:55] <jeanluc> hi
[11:56] <Seveas> hi
[11:56] <jeanluc> how come mp3 won't play in ubuntu?
[11:56] <knoppix> can anyone help me out with vmare
[11:56] <Seveas> jeanluc: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[11:56] <tiglionabbit> HaroldJohnson: well, networking in hoary is kind of confuddled, so there are a lot of places that could be the problem.  Makes it hard for us to help with this topic
[11:56] <Troy_McClure> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/541
[11:56] <din> HaroldJohnson, it's not that hard to get wireless working... get the essid of whatever device you are using, be it a router or whatever, then iwconfig (interface) essid (essid name) and then use dhclient to get a dhcp address or ifconfig to set a static ip address (man ifconfig for more info)
[11:56] <Troy_McClure> thats my mount
[11:56] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, How do I know which one has the strongest signal?
[11:56] <knoppix> i went on the wiki for vmware
[11:56] <carambol> is it advisable to install firefox-1.0.5?
[11:56] <supernix> oh cmatheson so it is a command line only program ?
[11:56] <Seveas> carambol, no
[11:56] <knoppix> but i am getting an error
[11:56] <carambol> thnx my guru
[11:56] <knoppix> Unable to open the installer database /etc/vmware/locations in read-mode.
[11:56] <knoppix> Execution aborted.
[11:56] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: Link Quality=
[11:57] <mumbles> are the forums down ?
[11:57] <knoppix> what can i do about that ?
[11:57] <cmatheson> supernix: no, it's made w/ a tk interface, but i don't know if it will stick it in the menus for you or not
[11:57] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit, I understand.  Ubuntu (and Linux in general) may be great for lots of things.  Perhaps it's not great for wireless users.
[11:57] <Seveas> Troy_McClure, odd, that output is perfectly fine, you should be able to read from the drive as any user
[11:57] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: or Quality= even
[11:57] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, indeed
[11:57] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: i had an error on hda 3 ext 3 - > (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[11:57] <moire> hi
[11:57] <Troy_McClure> yeah i know, i think i may try a restart and see what happens
[11:57] <Seveas> Troy_McClure, try umont /dev/hdc1
[11:58] <tiglionabbit> HaroldJohnson: my wireless is working.  It's not hard to get working once you know what you're doing
[11:58] <Troy_McClure> one more question, whats that program you all use to test how many frames you get?
[11:58] <Seveas> and then mount -a
[11:58] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: so ya fixed up now?
[11:58] <Seveas> Troy_McClure, glxgears
[11:58] <moire> has somebody a good apt-proxy.conf for the ubuntu repos? ;)
[11:58] <knoppix> any one know whats up with my proablm ?
[11:58] <eliUbuntu> still trying
[11:58] <knoppix> =\
[11:58] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, can you maybe repeat the state of your wireless problem, I missed the beginning of your conversation
[11:58] <HaroldJohnson> tiglionabbit, Well, that's my problem, and why I'm asking for help: I have no idea what I'm doing.
[11:58] <Troy_McClure> is glxgears installed in ubuntu?
[11:59] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, and I myself have an atheros card working fine so I might be able to help
[11:59] <cmatheson> Troy_McClure: yes
[11:59] <Seveas> Troy_McClure, yes
[11:59] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: what does this mean? -> errors=remount-ro
[11:59] <Troy_McClure> okay its running and i am getting like 115...
[11:59] <Troy_McClure> oh just got 723
[11:59] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, I'm finding Quality=0/94 for all the listings.
[11:59] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, when linux encounters errors on that drive it will remount it read only
[11:59] <IcemanV9> Seveas: he's using madwifi, installed just fine and cannot connect to any open network
[11:59] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: i'd just umount cleanly