[12:22] <tvo> Riddell: you there?
[12:37] <tvo> nm
[02:16] <karthik085> Riddell: Hey
[02:19] <karthik085> Riddell: I tested KCall. If you are not away, message em and I will tell you my results on Hoary and Breezy
[02:20] <Riddell> karthik085: hi
[02:21] <Riddell> karthik085: what's the results?
[02:25] <karthik085> Riddell: There was  a new release 0.5.2 released 3-4 days back. KCall needed Qt 3.3 or above and g++. Connection to the server is not working properlyl. UI needs major changes. I dialed few numbes. But, it did not ring. Also, few installation problems, which I reported to the authors of KCall. It is not stable. More testing is needed. This was tested on Hoary. With respect to breezy, I could...
[02:25] <karthik085> ...not get Qt 3.3 working.
[02:26] <Riddell> karthik085: what wasn't working about qt 3 on breezy?
[02:27] <karthik085> For, som reason, KCall is trying to detect qt. It says some header files needed. After installing those, still, KCall was not configured properly.
[02:29] <Riddell> karthik085: so sounds like it's not worth packaging KCall yet
[02:29] <Riddell> a shame, decent voip would be cool
[02:30] <karthik085> Not so soon. But, recently, this project is going major improvement and being funded by Google' Summer of Code. I contacted the authors regarding the future releases andfeatures. They have not got back to me yet. But, few forums suggest the next few releases will have major improvements
[02:31] <karthik085> For example, http://www.planetsoc.com/node/99
[02:32] <Riddell> cool, we'll keep an eye on it
[02:32] <karthik085> I am hoping for a good release by the end of the summer. So, we can build a package and put in Breezy
[02:34] <karthik085> Ok, till then. I will try fixing bugs of ruby programs.
[02:34] <Riddell> karthik085: did you test if the kde ruby bindings in breezy worked at all?
[02:35] <karthik085> I have not got much far. I will work on it this week
[02:41] <karthik085> Riddell: Later
[09:08] <pef> hi
[12:41] <Riddell> morning tvo 
[12:41] <tvo> Riddell:  hi
[12:44] <tvo> Riddell: did you already checkout the newest kio-locate?
[12:46] <Riddell> tvo: I admit I havn't yet, I can bump it up my todo list for today
[12:47] <tvo> Riddell: that would be nice, any comments / bug reports are welcome
[12:52] <tvo> Riddell: what do you think about this beta release? since it's already on kde-apps maybe I should email armin and ask if he'd like to update it?
[12:53] <tvo> seems a bit confusing/redundant if the same program is listed twice
[12:54] <Riddell> tvo: has the author got back to you?
[12:55] <tvo> Riddell: yes, i've already sent him 2 e-mails and got reply on both
[12:55] <tvo> btw, armin == armin straub == original author
[12:56] <tvo> Riddell: i did not yet sent anything about the release though
[12:56] <Riddell> tvo: depends how quickly you want to get your work out there, either you can wait for him to publish or you can make an entry on kde-apps saying "this is a fork, I hope to get changed sent back soon"
[12:57] <tvo> Riddell: both times he replied within 24 hours, so it could be doable
[12:58] <tvo> though i don't know how much time he has to update the entry on kde-apps
[01:01] <tvo> Riddell: IMHO the best solution is: i send him a mail today to see if he's willing to update the entry on kde-apps. if it's ok i'll sent him the packages when i'm done including a changelog
[01:03] <Riddell> tvo: sounds good but be polite about it, saying "I made some changes please make a release" may not be the best thing to say to an author, he presumably has his own schedule
[01:04] <tvo> Riddell: i understand, i'll just ask him what he thinks about it then
[01:05] <Riddell> tvo: did you see that kat is being integrated into krusaider?  if you fancy investigating whether doing something similar with konqueror and file open dialogue would make sense that would be cool
[01:06] <tvo> Riddell: I read a bit about it I think.
[01:07] <tvo> Riddell: kioslaves can already be used from a file open dialog btw
[01:07] <tvo> Riddell: i'm not sure if there already was a kat kioslave, but locate:blah works in standard kde open dialogs
[01:08] <Riddell> yeah but typing locate:foo isn't obvious to the user, there should be an easier way to get at it
[01:12] <tvo> Riddell: true, I just checked, anything which doesn't start with / or ~ in open dialog seems to bring you to your home directory
[01:13] <tvo> i could change that to a search using the default search engine i think
[01:13] <tvo> or add a separate "file open dialog" default search engine
[01:14] <tvo> adding a separate search box to a file open dialog seems a bit overkill IMHO
[01:16] <pef> Riddell: hi
[01:16] <Riddell> tvo: yeah, the file open dialogue is cluttered as it is
[01:16] <Riddell> afternoon pef 
[01:17] <pef> Riddell: for ksystemlog I will have package sources this evening
[01:17] <Riddell> pef: groovy
[01:17] <pef> I have a question, too
[01:18] <Riddell> pef: mmm?
[01:18] <Riddell> afternoon OculusAquilae 
[01:18] <pef> If a makefile doesn't have an install target, what's the best thing to do ? making a patch to add it, or using the install target of rules to hack ?
[01:19] <Riddell> Mez: oy, stop slacking and get back to making kubuntu great :)
[01:19] <Mez> :D
[01:19] <Riddell> pef: why would a makefile not have an install target?
[01:19] <Riddell> Mez: fix kubuntu bugs :)
[01:19] <OculusAquilae> hi 
[01:20] <pef> Riddell: his author doesn't wrote one :) I have the cas with a little program I want to package
[01:20] <pef> s/cas/case/
[01:20] <Riddell> pef: so it's a hand made Makefile?
[01:20] <Riddell> not autotools?
[01:20] <pef> hand made
[01:21] <Riddell> pef: ah right, well I'd just put it in debian/rules unless it's very complex
[01:22] <pef> Riddell: just have to install 2 binaries
[01:23] <Mez> Riddell: would do if I knew how
[01:23] <Riddell> Mez: how do you help with bugday?
[01:24] <Mez> I'm just trying to confirm bugs :D
[01:24] <Mez> thats all (or assign them to right package)
[01:24] <pef> Riddell: should I report all broken packages issues I have when trying to install packages ?
[01:25] <Mez> pef :D yeah :D then I can fix them (I can do packaging fixes:P
[01:25] <Riddell> pef: yep
[01:25] <Riddell> pef: got any KDE problems?
[01:26] <pef> not very kde specific
[01:27] <Riddell> phew :)
[01:28] <Mez> whats the prob pef?
[01:28] <pef> Mez: I'm filling a bug report
[01:28] <Mez> Riddell about that patch you were on about for kdebase?
[01:28] <Mez> what exactly doe sit do?
[01:28] <pef> Riddell: when did the decision about libaa migration will be taken ? 
[01:29] <Riddell> Mez: updates hal for 0.5
[01:29] <Riddell> pef: which decision?
[01:30] <pef> Riddell: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=118 please read the second comment
[01:30] <Mez> riddell, so they'll cause problems with hoarty hal?
[01:31] <Mez> hoary *
[01:31] <Riddell> Mez: it won't compile
[01:32] <Mez> poopsticks
[01:32] <Riddell> Mez: but other stuff like new X build-depends means thing won't compile on hoary
[01:32] <Mez> that's gonn aheva to be a manual onet then
[01:32] <Mez> so how'd you get it to compile on hoary ?
[01:32] <Riddell> remove the patch.  remove the X build depends
[01:33] <Mez> (how did you)
[01:33] <Mez> fair enough
[01:33] <Mez> there's gonn ahave to be amanual build for that :D
[01:33] <Mez> so I think 3.4.2 to abckports may be an issue too
[01:34] <pef> Mez: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1418
[01:35] <Riddell> pef, Mez: uniq fixed that http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/breezy/ggz-kde-client/
[01:35] <Riddell> I think
[01:36] <Mez> Riddell, It's just a {$shlibs:Depends}
[01:37] <Mez> it just needs to change from kdelibs4 to kdelibs4c2
[01:38] <Mez> just add a build1 on the end and upload
[01:38] <Riddell> yep
[01:38] <OculusAquilae> hi, sorry that i couldnt return yesterday
[01:41] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: are you wanting a task?
[01:42] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: yes
[01:42] <Mez> oh, Riddell for pef's bug: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/libs/libqt3-mt instead of libqt3c102-mt :D
[01:43] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: there's a nifty app katapult which is a program launcher in breezy.  I want it in the default install for breezy
[01:43] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: unfortunatly it takes up room in the system tray which is untidy.  if you could patch it so it doesn't show in the system tray that would be cool
[01:44] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: interested?
[01:44] <pef> there is no automatic way to find inexistant (due to package migration) dependencies  on all packages ?
[01:44] <pef> like this bug ?
[01:45] <Mez> Riddell - I've set that bug PendingUpload
[01:45] <Mez> pef :D thats why we have the transition
[01:45] <Mez> ;_
[01:45] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: yes
[01:46] <Riddell> pef: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/breezy_probs.html
[01:46] <Riddell> but that's main only
[01:46] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: do you have breezy or a breezy chroot?  if so apt-get source katapult
[01:47] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: I'm after a patch in debian/patches which makes the systray applet conditional on a KConfig option
[01:47] <Riddell> then we'll set the KConfig option to off in kubuntu-default-settings
[01:47] <Mez> Riddell, when was that last updated?
[01:47] <Riddell> "Generated: Wed Jul 13 11:18:04 UTC 2005"
[01:47] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: I'll try to download
[01:53] <pef> Riddell: for each transition problem is it correct to fil a bug ? (then correct it of course)
[01:53] <Riddell> pef: sure
[01:54] <pef> Riddell: ok, nice, I'm just afraid to file useless reports
[01:55] <Riddell> if you don't file reports we won't get the satisfaction of being able to close it
[01:55] <pef> :D
[02:02] <Mez> poop - that's a LOT of Kubuntu stuff
[02:04] <Riddell> Mez: I presume there's a perfectly rational explanation, something low level not installing
[02:04] <Riddell> no idea what though
[02:06] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: I'll try to download the "katapult" source, but i didn't get it. is it realistic, that it isn't on the german servers, yet.
[02:07] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: should be there, in universe, breezy
[02:08] <OculusAquilae> hm
[02:08] <JRe> OculusAquilae: if you work on Katapult try to contact upstream too
[02:08] <JRe> OculusAquilae: i have trouble contacting him :(
[02:09] <OculusAquilae> i think it works now
[02:10] <OculusAquilae> yes it works
[02:14] <Mez> JRe, upstream is ignorming me too
[02:15] <JRe> Mez: mmm we have to think what we can do about the future of katapult. I can't imagine let's this application abandoned
[02:15] <JRe> Mez: it rocks to much to let it die!
[02:18] <Mez> yeah :D
[02:18] <Riddell> set up a fork somewhere to do further development
[02:19] <JRe> Riddell: i am thinking about that
[02:19] <JRe> Riddell: but it's a pain that the original author don't give his benediction
[02:19] <Riddell> call it kubuntupult :)
[02:19] <JRe> Riddell: :)
[02:20] <Riddell> I did get a reply from the author ages ago, maybe he's fed up with people asking him to keep development
[02:20] <Mez> well lets ask if we can fork it
[02:20] <Mez> anyone wanna set up a SF project?
[02:20] <Mez> hmm
[02:20] <JRe> Mez: yes good idea
[02:21] <Mez> why doesnt Ubuntu have something like alioth ?
[02:21] <Riddell> agreed
[02:21] <Riddell> Mez: well it has the arch supermirror
[02:21] <Mez> that'd be cool :D
[02:21] <JRe> Mez: it's call KDE SVN ;)
[02:21] <Riddell> kdenonbeta is handy too
[02:21] <Mez> JRe... but i doubt katapult would go into KDE Svn ?
[02:21] <JRe> Mez: even on playgournd or beta?
[02:22] <Riddell> anything can go in kdenonbeta
[02:22] <Mez> lol
[02:22] <Mez> shall I just set up a SF project?
[02:22] <JRe> Mez: you have a SVN access ?
[02:23] <Mez> SVN access to kDE? no :P
[02:23] <Mez> Riddell does :P
[02:23] <JRe> Mez: you're interestingin working on katapult?
[02:24] <Mez> yeah :D
[02:24] <JRe> Mez: cool i am interrested too ;)
[02:24] <Mez> well - you on SF?
[02:25] <JRe> Mez: i have no problem to put it on SF but on KDE's SVN we will have better test and better translation
[02:25] <JRe> Mez: although we can make little development on a SF page
[02:25] <Mez> how do we get it on KDEs SVN though?
[02:26] <JRe> Mez: sending page, contribute code
[02:26] <JRe> s/page/patch/
[02:26] <Mez> katapult = ! on KDE svn is it ?
[02:28] <JRe> Mez: i don't think that katapult is aloready on the KDE svn
[02:29] <Mez> so how do we get it onto the SVN ?:P
[02:30] <JRe> Riddell: who it's necessary to ask before commiting anything in kdeonbeta ?
[02:32] <JRe> Mez: you can ask a SVN access saying it's to develop kubuntupult ;)
[02:33] <Mez> lol
[02:34] <Mez> we can call it katapult still thoguh
[02:34] <JRe> Mez: i think it would be better but if we fork it's better to change the name
[02:36] <Mez> I've sent a request into SF
[02:37] <JRe> Mez: Since original Katapult project is already on SF
[02:37] <JRe> Mez: i don't think they'll accept :)
[02:37] <Mez> is it?
[02:37] <JRe> Mez: yeah
[02:38] <JRe> Mez: if only the author added us to the developpers
[02:38] <JRe> ...
[02:38] <Mez> lol
[02:39] <JRe> Riddell: you have a SVN server isnt it ?
[02:39] <Riddell> I don't no
[02:40] <OculusAquilae> i have a (virtual) server too, so i could set up svn too, but I don't know how this will work :-)
[02:40] <JRe> Mez: ATM we can subscribe in Berlios
[02:40] <JRe> Mez: or ask for a SVN access
[02:42] <Mez> I think berlios would be better
[02:42] <JRe> Mez: ok
[02:43] <JRe> tvo: you are also interested in the Katapult project ?
[02:49] <JRe> Mez: do you send a mail to the author also ?
[02:50] <Mez> yeah
[02:50] <JRe> Mez: cool ;)
[02:52] <tvo> JRe: I still have to look at it, if helping Katapult could make KubuntuFileSearch more integrated than yes :)
[02:53] <tvo> s/than/then/
[02:53] <Mez> tvo: if you can write a plugin, it can work withit
[02:53] <JRe> tvo: a good thing could be a plugin to use kio locate in katapult
[02:54] <tvo> JRe: ah, ok. I definitely need to look at it *soon*
[02:55] <JRe> tvo: :)
[02:55] <tvo> since I don't even have a clue of what katapult is, how it looks and what it does ;)
[02:55] <Mez> actually, to be fair, katapult would be good if it used kio-locate :D
[02:55] <JRe> tvo: it launch item based on a real time text query
[02:56] <JRe> tvo: like you write "am"
[02:56] <JRe> tvo: and it proposes you to launch amarok
[02:56] <Mez> sort of like google suggests :D
[02:56] <Mez> :P
[02:56] <OculusAquilae> does it locate files too ?
[02:56] <JRe> tvo: it's pluggin based so it's possible to analyse other things rather than kde apps, like bookmarks, ...
[02:57] <JRe> OculusAquilae: at this time yes
[02:57] <Mez> JRe, it does?
[02:57] <JRe> OculusAquilae: there is a plugin to watch the files within a directory
[02:58] <JRe> OculusAquilae: but it's the worse plugin (exemple of bug: does not analyse directories in the directory)
[02:58] <Mez> OculusAquilae, katapult pretty much sucks
[02:58] <tvo> JRe: is it in kubuntu repository?
[02:58] <JRe> tvo: yeah
[02:58] <Mez> BUT, the possibilites = UBER
[02:59] <JRe> Mez: mmm i think that Katapult is already pretty usable
[02:59] <OculusAquilae> tvo: its in breezy
[02:59] <JRe> Mez: but it need improvements like multiple proposals instead of single proposal
[02:59] <OculusAquilae> its interesting, but i don't see the sense for fast typers like me :-)
[02:59] <tvo> hmm, so I should upgrade to breezy to look at it? :p
[02:59] <JRe> tvo: mmm no
[02:59] <JRe> you can just take the source package
[03:00] <OculusAquilae> right
[03:00] <JRe> dpkg-source -x *dsc
[03:00] <JRe> cd package-dir
[03:00] <JRe> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[03:01] <Mez> tvo: lemme upload the hoary .deb
[03:01] <tvo> JRe: suppose there's a certain dir in which i'd execute those cmnds
[03:02] <JRe> tvo yeah put the *dsc, *orig.gz and *diff.gz files in the same dir (eg: katapult)
[03:02] <Mez> tvo - just download the .deb I'm uploading and dspkg-i it
[03:02] <Mez> dpkg -i *
[03:02] <JRe> Mez: sudo dpkg -i *
[03:02] <JRe> Mez: :)
[03:03] <Mez> http://www.sourceguru.net/ubuntu/hoary/katapult_0.2-0ubuntu0.3~5.04ubp1_i386.deb
[03:03] <tvo> JRe: :D
[03:03] <JRe> Mez: wow that's fast!
[03:03] <Mez> ;)
[03:03] <Mez> I'd already done it just needed to upload :D
[03:04] <Mez> the .deb's 141 Kb
[03:04] <JRe> Mez: ha ok i thinked you rebuilt it and uploaded in that short time ;)
[03:04] <tvo> s/noe/now/
[03:04] <JRe> tvo: when it's installed: ALT + Space to put the query analyser to the front
[03:05] <JRe> and enter a misc text
[03:05] <JRe> enterwhen you agree with the proposal
[03:05] <Mez>  JRe thing is with me it auto-launches if it detects something
[03:05] <Mez> like
[03:05] <Mez> I tried typing hceese
[03:05] <Mez> cheese *
[03:05] <Mez> and it launched change password
[03:06] <JRe> Mez: yeah right but you can disactive that in the options
[03:06] <tvo> cool
[03:06] <JRe> Mez: you can even set a timout time
[03:06] <Mez> :P
[03:06] <Mez> yeah i know
[03:06] <Mez> tis cool :d
[03:07] <tvo> heh also the fading is cool ;)
[03:07] <Mez> yeah, and it's skinnable too :D
[03:07] <tvo> hehe
[03:07] <OculusAquilae> but it doesn't support xorg-extensions does it?
[03:07] <JRe> Mez: yes ;) if we make a good job may be one day we have an entry in kde-look :)
[03:08] <tvo> what kind of things does it find now? bookmarks and programs?
[03:08] <Mez> OculusAquilae, ???
[03:08] <JRe> bookmarks programs and can wtach directories
[03:08] <JRe> OculusAquilae: ??
[03:08] <OculusAquilae> Mez JRe: transperency and so on
[03:08] <Mez> OculusAquilae, it has it's own transparency
[03:09] <tvo> JRe, OculusAquilae, you mean with composite extension?
[03:09] <Mez> dunno it that works through xorg-extensions
[03:09] <OculusAquilae> tvo yes :-)
[03:09] <JRe> OculusAquilae: dunnow
[03:10] <OculusAquilae> because if i move windows under it, the transperency doesn't change i mean the background, but if it supports the xorg transperency it would work
[03:10] <JRe> OculusAquilae: yes youre right
[03:10] <Mez> OculusAquilae, but if it loses focus it dissapears
[03:11] <JRe> Mez: yes right
[03:11] <OculusAquilae> but this chat windows changes, without katapult loosing focus
[03:11] <Mez> try
[03:11] <OculusAquilae> window
[03:11] <Mez> talk a bit
[03:12] <JRe> talk
[03:12] <JRe> sdf
[03:12] <JRe> df
[03:12] <JRe> llffffff
[03:12] <JRe> you're turn now ;)
[03:12] <Mez> ah
[03:12] <Mez> ok, so it doesnt work like that
[03:12] <Mez> but...
[03:12] <Mez> that can be changed :D
[03:13] <JRe> OculusAquilae: thanks for your bug report :)
[03:13] <Mez> http://www.sourceguru.net/ubuntu/katapult.jpg
[03:13] <Mez> lol @ JRe  :D
[03:13] <Mez> anyways :D I gotta go pick up my gf from the train station
[03:13] <Mez> so I'll talk later and sutff
[03:16] <OculusAquilae> do we have now a patch that katapult doesn't show up in the systray?
[03:17] <JRe> OculusAquilae: no
[03:18] <JRe> OculusAquilae: but it can be the first thing we do on the fork of katapult
[03:18] <Riddell> it should be configurable, default on but kubuntu-default turns it off
[03:18] <JRe> how discovered another bug: typing text* + enter leads to a crash
[03:18] <Riddell> then there should be a way to get to the configuration stuff through the main katapult screen
[03:19] <JRe> Riddell: yes!
[03:19] <Riddell> it shouldn't launch programs without you pressing entre
[03:19] <tvo> Riddell, JRe, maybe when typing katapult in katapult, currently it launches another instance of itself
[03:19] <JRe> Riddell: yes i don't like this too 
[03:20] <JRe> tvo: yes it's funny i have already tried 
[03:20] <OculusAquilae> i' also interested in helping you making it working the way Riddell thinks :-)
[03:20] <JRe> oooo text? + enter leads to a crash too
[03:20] <JRe> OculusAquilae: nice!
[03:22] <JRe> tvo: it would definitively better to detect if another instance is running!
[03:23] <JRe> tvo: thanks you too for the bug report ;)
[03:23] <tvo> JRe: np
[03:48] <OculusAquilae> i'll come back in the evening cu
[04:00] <tvo> JRe: another bug (probably you knew it already): if I type in a program which actually exists, but is not in it's database, it crashes
[04:00] <JRe> tvo: ow! i didn't know
[04:01] <tvo> hmm doesn't happen always
[04:02] <tvo> 3/4 times
[04:02] <tvo> tried with nvidia-settings, the other time it didn't crash but didn't run anything either
[04:03] <JRe> tvo: which programs for instance?
[04:03] <tvo> nvidia-settings
[04:04] <JRe> tvo: ls leads to a crash too
[04:04] <JRe>  tvo:also chmod
[04:04] <JRe> tvo: you're now the bug slayer of katapult :)
[04:05] <tvo> glxinfo
[04:05] <tvo> hehe
[04:05] <tvo> JRe: it's a cool proggie anyways, it has already replaced my *large* quicklauncher ;)
[04:06] <JRe> tvo: ;) yes i find it very useful too
[04:06] <tvo> glxgears
[04:12] <Riddell> they love us http://www.ubuntu.com/
[04:31] <tvo> Riddell: I got a reply from armin (he's really fast): he chose option 1, that is I sent him the files asap and he updates his website the entry on kde-apps
[04:35] <Riddell> tvo: cool
[04:36] <Riddell> tvo: would be better if he had a CVS/Subversion server or something though
[04:36] <tvo> hmm yes, though the code is already on arch/baz supermirror now, so he could check that out
[04:38] <tvo> Riddell: oh and btw, he used a local SVN repo, that doesn't help me though
[05:04] <tvo> Riddell: I hope you did not yet baz get kio-locate. Just discovered I forgot to baz add a file before committing yesterday
[05:05] <tvo> so patch-11 won't compile, but i've fixed it now i hope
[05:09] <tvo> Riddell: it's ok now
[06:20] <OculusAquilae> hi
[06:20] <Mez> lo
[06:21] <OculusAquilae> if I want to compile katapult, why does configure not find libXext on hoary?
[06:21] <OculusAquilae> perhaps somebody had the problem too
[06:22] <OculusAquilae> the problem is: I have it installed :-). I mean libXext
[06:24] <Mez> OculusAquilae, libXext-dev :D
[06:25] <OculusAquilae> libxext-dev too :-)
[06:25] <OculusAquilae> i mean it is installed too
[06:41] <Riddell> does kwin-baghira and kdeartwork-style work for people (able to select it in widget style)?
[06:45] <OculusAquilae> ok, i've a solution for my problem
[06:46] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: how did you fix it?
[06:46] <OculusAquilae> added breezy source repositorys and made apt-get build-deb
[06:46] <OculusAquilae> ies
[06:46] <OculusAquilae> i know, ugly solution
[06:47] <OculusAquilae> but it works 
[06:47] <Riddell> you should try a breezy chroot
[06:47] <OculusAquilae> hm
[06:47] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DebootstrapChroot
[06:47] <OculusAquilae> i have a breezy install, but it doesn't work
[06:47] <OculusAquilae> problems with x
[06:47] <OculusAquilae> i'll try it soon
[06:48] <Riddell> ah yes, X is a problem
[06:48] <OculusAquilae> and without X, no katapult :-)
[06:49] <Riddell> true true
[08:34] <OculusAquilae> where can i find the katapult config file ? :-)
[08:38] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: ~/.kde/share/config/katapultrc
[08:38] <Riddell> you have to change a setting for it to appear
[08:38] <Riddell> and we can put one in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/katapultrc
[08:38] <OculusAquilae> hm
[08:40] <OculusAquilae> thanks
[08:40] <OculusAquilae> ah, my patch works :-)
[09:47] <pef> Riddell: ping
[09:48] <Riddell> pef: toot
[09:48] <pef> :)
[09:49] <pef> Riddell: I'm writing a manpage, but english is not my native language, could you check it for language correction ?
[09:49] <pef> Riddell: http://dl.erodia.net/ubuntu/coccinella.1.html
[09:49] <froud> pref: do you have the it in docbook xml
[09:54] <froud> pef: if this has no command line options why do you want to supply a manpage. Is it not better for us to add it to our docteam svn under kde and make docbook xml and package it
[09:55] <Riddell> "To draw on the shared window you have various tools, from line to square or pencil." -> "There are various tools available for drawing in the shared window such as line, square or pencil."
[09:57] <Riddell> I would change "Its system of extensions..." to "Plugins available include audio, video and text to speech."
[09:57] <froud> Riddell: why make manpages for tools with no command line syntax?
[09:58] <Riddell> "each with its specific feature" -> "each with their own specific features"
[09:58] <Riddell> froud: man pages can be a handy way for advanced users to find out what a program does.  why make a manpage for a tool with command line options that are explained in --help?
[09:59] <froud> logic does not compute
[10:00] <froud> you can see the description of the package using apt
[10:00] <Riddell> fair point
[10:01] <froud> manpages are good for command line tools
[10:01] <froud> but tool with gui are likely to be accessed as such
[10:02] <froud> if it helps I can create the docs for it
[10:02] <froud> and pef can package them with the app
[10:05] <pef> Riddell: thanks for the corrections
[10:07] <pef> froud: what have I to do now ? removing the manpage before submiting to revu ?
[10:08] <froud> well you can still ship a manpage if you want
[10:08] <Riddell> pef: my preference would be to keep it.  froud's obviously is not to bother.  you have to make up your own mind :)
[10:08] <froud> Riddell: no that is not the case
[10:08] <froud> I just said why have a manpage for a gui app
[10:09] <froud> manpage = manual page
[10:09] <froud> not description page
[10:09] <froud> pef has a description page
[10:09] <froud> I thought I may be able to help pef create a user manual
[10:10] <seth_k> I'm trying to package kmobiletools, but it keeps whining about having no libXrender.la in /usr/lib/. libxrender-dev only provides libXrender.a, not .la. Any thoughts?
[10:12] <pef> mmm amsn has a manpage too
[10:13] <pef> and no command line options
[10:13] <froud> does that make it right :-) look its your choice. I just mentioned that I think it odd
[10:13] <Riddell> seth_k: libxrender-dev has /usr/lib/libXrender.la
[10:14] <seth_k> Riddell: that's odd, because it isn't showing up on my system when I grab that package, nor in pbuilder when it installs it to satisfy the build-deps
[10:15] <Riddell> seth_k: which version?  I have libxrender-dev_0.9.0-0ubuntu5_i386.deb
[10:15] <Riddell> and dpkg --contents shows it's there
[10:16] <froud> well good night
[10:17] <seth_k> 9.0-1 here, and dpkg --contents shows it nowhere to be found :(
[10:17] <seth_k> oh bah:   * In accordance with all other X libraries, stop shipping Libtool .la file.
[10:18] <seth_k> okay, question is now: what do I use in its place?
[10:21] <Riddell> seth_k: weird
[10:21] <Riddell> seth_k: try asking daniekls
[10:21] <Riddell> daniels
[10:22] <seth_k> yep, that was my next recourse
[10:22] <seth_k> thanks anyway Riddell 
[10:25] <seth_k> at least i know now i am not just crazy
[10:26] <Riddell> he may well tell you kmobiletools is being crazy
[10:27] <seth_k> but he may know how to fix the craziness
[10:27] <seth_k> hope springs eternal
[10:41] <OculusAquilae> good night
[11:40] <tvo> night
[11:50] <Mez> hmm, Riddell, katapult is a really cleanly written app :D shouldn't take much to path it up :D
[11:50] <Mez> I've registered kubuntupuly :D
[11:51] <Riddell> quite a mouthful
[11:51] <Riddell> Mez: registered with whom?
[11:51] <Mez> berlios :D
[11:51] <Mez> kubuntupult *
[11:51] <Mez> showrt for kubuntu Katapult :D
[11:52] <Riddell> Mez: is the registration done?  I don't know how long these things take
[11:53] <Mez> It takesd a whle - I'll poke you when it's done
[11:53] <Mez> anyways
[11:53] <Mez> time to go now :D
[11:53] <Mez> my gf wants me
[11:53] <Riddell> I'll bet she does
[11:54] <Mez> to come and cuddle and watch TV