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chris12349try typing "I can't play mp3s" ubuntu12:03
chris12349in google12:03
jeanluccan you get to the first link?12:04
jeanlucI can;t12:04
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jeanlucits down12:05
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spermie_411i need some help i got the cedega.tgz file on my desktop but im not sure how to install it?12:05
jeanlucgoogle it12:06
jeanlucthats there answer for everthing12:06
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spermie_411google isnt good at explaining12:06
spermie_411just finding12:07
chris12349um yeah it is12:07
chris12349ask your question in quotes. its great12:07
apokryphosQuotes for a phrase search12:07
apokryphosvery handy12:07
jeanlucall the link  pertatianing to mp3 in ubuntu12:08
jeanlucare down12:08
jeanluc"I can't play mp3s" ubuntu12:08
jeanlucso please12:08
jeanlucguide me12:08
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apokryphosjeanluc: have you tried playing mp3s in other mp3 players?12:08
apokryphosand they all don't work?12:08
jeanlucbut .wav12:09
apokryphosfor bmp you need gstreamer0.8-mad I believe12:09
jeanlucand stuff do12:09
apokryphosdid you install that first?12:09
jeanlucI dloaded gstreamer12:09
apokryphostype sudo alsamixer... can you just verify that Main and PCM are up12:09
jeanlucthere up12:10
jeanlucin green12:10
apokryphosAnd if you're not getting mp3 player output then it's not really a #kubuntu issue12:10
jeanlucim in #kubuntu12:10
jeanlucso what12:11
apokryphosIf it's not working in others too, you're likely to have more luck in #ubuntu12:11
nikkiajeanluc, as i told you earlier, its because you probably have the output set to the wrong plugin, and arts is blocking access to the sound card12:14
nikkiaeither setup arts as the output plugin for your media player(s), or configure dmix, the choice is yours12:14
apokryphosnikkia: wouldn't it refuse to play at all, rather than give no sound output in that case?12:14
nikkiaapokryphos: no, i've seen it do both12:15
apokryphosSeems odd that he can play other audio types...12:15
jeanlucI can play mp312:15
jeanlucjust no sound12:15
jeanlucno errors12:15
jeanlucbut no sound12:15
chris12349you did unmute in alsaconf right?12:15
jeanluchow do you do that12:16
chris12349actually if you can hear sound in other apps that probably isn't it12:16
jeanlucok in beep12:16
jeanlucits says out put plugin is also 0.9.712:16
nikkiajeanluc, try 'artsplay some_mp3_file.mp3' from the command line, where 'some_mp3_file.mp3' is the filename for a mp3 file in the directory you're in12:17
spermie_411anyone in here use cedega??12:18
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spermie_411you have the .deb file for cedega?12:19
chris12349no they have an autopackage or something 12:19
chris12349but you have to subscribe... I get it now ;)12:19
jeanlucnothing happens12:20
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spermie_411cheap <~~ trade ya something for it ;-)12:20
jeanlucI have tried mp3's in every media player and installed gstreamer mad but no mp3s is working but .wav works so can some one help me play mp312:21
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nikkiait really agrevates me, wtf are we still walking newbies thru the same sound configuration nightmare that we had to walk them thru in 2000 ?12:22
apokryphosjeanluc: evidently people have tried to help you; evidently, this isn't really the channel for it anyhow12:22
nikkiawhy can't alsa enable dmix if it detects that the sound hw doesn't support multi-client ?12:22
apokryphosnikkia: I critisize the process, and yet it's so irresistable :P12:22
apokryphosMakes me almost like Windoze12:23
nikkiaso little hw supports multi-client anyway, just enable dmix, and let people turn it off, ffs12:23
nikkiaapokryphos: lets not even get on the 'support mixed sample rates when they clearly don't work' issue :P12:24
nikkiai thought the whole point of alsa was 'OSS is broken, lets do something that works' not 'lets recreate the nightmare with a different twist'12:25
apokryphosthe poor sound guys get critisized a lot, poor fellows. Suffice it to say the guys at aRts must have got a lot of grief12:26
nikkiaapokryphos: i question the whole point of 'sound servers' anyway12:26
nikkiathey just annoy people, and get in the way12:26
jeanlucit really annoys me12:27
jeanluconly thing I miss from windows12:27
nikkia(yes, i know, arts does far more than just interface to the sound hardware, but still, do we need it as 'a sound server' ?12:27
jeanlucis mp312:27
jeanlucI can always resort to using12:28
apokryphosnikkia: isn't it still officially undeveloped now?12:28
nikkiaapokryphos: arts? i don't think so12:28
apokryphosOnly thing I miss from Windoze is... viruses12:28
jeanlucI miss mp312:28
aseigonikkia: yes, such a thing tends to be needed12:28
nikkiaaseigo: based on what?12:29
aseigonikkia: we need codecs to decode media, we need a way to mix audio on the fly both locally and remotely12:29
apokryphosnikkia: hm, maybe it was just the original author of it12:29
nikkiaaseigo: no, mixing on the fly should be the domain of the sound drivers12:29
jeanlucok well im out for a while12:30
aseigonikkia: *cough*portability*cough*12:30
jeanluctty and thanks for help12:30
nikkiaaseigo: as for decoding media and handling local and remote audio, nothing there demands something that blocks all other audio access12:30
aseigonikkia: as soon as there is a single driver spec that does that across the domain of OSes we support, hell ya!12:30
aseigonikkia: that still leaves us with codecs and such things12:30
aseigoif your card supports hardware mixing, the audioserver shouldn't block12:31
aseigoif your card doesn't support hardware mixing, you need the software to do it12:31
nikkiaaseigo: maybe you missed when i said 'hardly any (consumer) hw supports multi-card (at the hardware level)'12:31
aseigoright.. which is why we have sound servers ...12:32
nikkiaaseigo: which end up blocking, because there are 300 different audio access methods in use12:32
aseigowhich is why in kde4 we're going to pick one that's in use by more than just us12:32
aseigothat was, actually, the hope with arts except the rest of the world is full of NIH12:32
nikkiai run a gtk/gnome app, oh sorry, arts is blocking esd, i run a non-gnome/non-kde app, oh, sorry arts is blocking alsa/oss  and so on12:32
aseigoremember back when we DIDN'T have sound servers as the status quo?12:33
nikkiaaseigo: you mean the OSS days? OSS was broken from day 112:33
aseigoand to have sound come from cdp you had to QUIT xmms?12:33
nikkiaheck, it was broken on sunos where /dev/dsp was stolen from :)12:33
aseigonikkia:re: the arts blocking ... two things: for now there is artsdsp12:33
aseigosecond: i'm sure you caught the bit where i said we're attempting to address this in kde4?12:34
nikkiaaseigo: i've never gotten anything but broken up spluttery audio out of artsdsp12:34
aseigothat's unfortunate12:34
nikkiaand java especially doesn't like being wrapped12:34
nikkiano matter if you use artsdsp or aoss, the CPU usage pegs at max12:35
aseigohow fast is your cpu?12:35
aseigoheh.. ok, that's wildly wrong12:35
apokryphospretty interesting article: http://www.arts-project.org/doc/arts-maintenance.html12:37
nikkiabtw, i hope to god when you say 'address it in kde4' you don't mean 'use JACK'12:37
aseigono, because jack doesn't do what we need12:37
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nikkiayeah, it also doesn't work without using the artsd output plugin here :/12:37
fromozehi,  kde4 will use gstreamer, no?12:39
fromozeI'm courious about that :)12:39
aseigoit might12:39
aseigogstreamer and nmm seem to be the two most likely contenders at this point12:39
aseigoeither way, it will just be the "default" engine12:40
apokryphosis aRts developed at the moment?12:40
aseigomost applications will simply use the kde audio classes for doing the basics which will then feed into a given back end12:40
fromozeYeah, the flexible kde-way :)12:40
aseigoapokryphos: no12:40
aseigowhich will allow us to have a recommended configuration, but also allow people to swap things out easily if they need/want to12:40
aseigoincluding us ;)12:41
apokryphosso how do you like kubuntu aseigo? Been using it long? :)12:41
apokryphosaseigo: sudo is the way to go, remember ;-)12:41
aseigohaha. oh god not that conversation again! ;)12:41
aseigoum.. i've been using it for a couple months i guess12:41
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aseigonot long.12:42
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aseigoi'm still using suse as my primary desktop .. kubuntu is for a work project really12:42
fromozeI like gstreamer, It'll make easier the distribution without pripietary-codecs and the instalation to the users12:42
aseigooooh.. we should alias kde-config --version to winver ;)12:42
apokryphosNote: These instructions do not apply to Apple Macintosh computers12:43
nikkiaaseigo: surely the problem is going to be that with kde4 we'll have the requirement for the NEW sound server running, plus artsd for those kde3 apps that haven't been updated, plus esd for those gnome apps we occasionally use, plus alsa configured with dmix and oss compatibility for those obscure apps like java and such that won't talk to anything less than 15 years old?12:43
apokryphosI wonder if it works on Linux...12:43
othernoobnikkia are you familiar with printing problems?12:43
fromozeSuse is the main distro between kde deloppers finally :/12:43
nikkiaothernoob: not really12:43
apokryphosno idea what the traffic is really like, but it seems to me like people are straying from SuSE12:44
aseigonikkia: so we shouldn't move forward and fix things because the old way is broken?12:44
aseigonikkia: or are you just pissy about audio12:44
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nikkiaaseigo: well, it just seems like each time, it gets worse12:44
aseigonikkia: so let me ask you then. what would be a good and realistic solution.12:45
McScruffwhat is the best sound server?12:45
crimsunavoid a sound server period.12:45
aseigoMcScruff: which ever one we pick in kde4 ;)12:45
aseigocrimsun: you must've skipped over the "realistic" bit12:45
crimsunalsa has a library-level dmix hack.12:45
nikkiaaseigo: if things are to be fixed, they should be fixed *system wide* not in a tiny corner of the system at a time12:45
fromozeMcScruff: a multi-channel soundcard ?12:45
othernoobi have a b/w laser printer and a pdf with a tiny little bit of colour in it. and it won't print it :/12:46
aseigonikkia: i'll explain it again for you:12:46
othernoobit prints everything else just fine12:46
crimsunaseigo: so did gstreamer, arts, nas, and polypaudio.12:46
aseigoby having a kde audio layer, the majority of kde apps won't care what's under it12:46
aseigoby providing a recommened audio engine that we pick from the current stable of worthy, actively developed audio systems out there today we begin to see the way forward to creating a standard12:46
fromozedmix do the sound mix? I think it only works by hardware mix, no?12:47
crimsunfromoze: dmix doesn't care about the hardware.12:47
aseigocrimsun: what's your point exactly? we cant rely on alsa, if that's your thought12:47
nikkiafromoze: no, dmix is software mixing, its for when you don't have hardware mixing12:47
crimsunaseigo: there is no adequate solution.12:47
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aseigocrimsun: again, you're missing the "realistic" bit12:48
aseigocrimsun: since we can't ship a silent kde, we have to find something that is as good as possible12:48
fromozeI try to use dmix on a integrated soundcard and It doesn't works... well, it was on year 2003 XD12:48
crimsunaseigo: and what, praytell, is that? that automatically rules out esound, arts, nas, and polypaudio.12:48
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aseigoi know a lot of people are pissy about audio (despite arts haven gotten fairly decent at the end here), but it gets a bit tiresome to hear the goth-teenager attitude "it all sucks. why bother."12:49
crimsunaseigo: I do alsa. I know it sucks. Tell me what's better.12:49
aseigocrimsun: woah! and that list didn't include EITHER of the ones i mentioned earlier! imagine that!12:49
nikkiaaseigo: you think i'm a goth teenager? i'm impressed12:49
crimsun(for that matter, I'm not a goth teenager either ;)12:50
aseigonikkia: no, it's just the sad depressive attitude that doesn't lead to solutions =)12:50
nikkiaaseigo, no, the attitude that doesn't lead to solutions is 'we'll fix it in our project, rest of the software universe be damned', which is what has happened every other time12:50
aseigonikkia: the "if we fix it, it'll suck for all the old apps" concept is a good example of that.12:50
aseigonikkia: if we can't win in your mind, well, that's unfortunate. the best we can do is to avoid the same mistakes in the future and provide a better experience then12:51
aseigonikkia: you really aren't reading what i'm writing at all are you?12:51
nikkiaasegio, it needs to be fixed at the system-wide level, it needs the co-operation of the alsa people, the freebsd people, etc etc12:51
aseigonikkia: i've explained it twice now.12:51
fromozeThe problem about mixing for me is that now a soundcard with multi-channel is really expensive (>80). I really love my old soundblaster live! nowdays, most of the soundcards are f** win-soundcards :(12:51
aseigowell fine, when they get their act together, what a frabjous day it will be12:51
aseigoand then we'll just have to get the hardware people on board and then we only have codecs and network trasnparency to deal with!12:52
crimsunum, there isn't very much push from the non-Linux side for ALSA, I'm afraid.12:52
aseigoof course not12:52
aseigoso... REALISTICALLY we need/want something that: provides codecs, mixing and network trans of some sort and that is portable12:52
aseigowe could bitch and moan about it, but that won't bring linux and bsd closer together.. 12:53
aseigohell, it won't even get the linux audio up to where we need it to be =)12:53
crimsunI'm not arguing to bring Linux and *BSD closer.12:53
nikkiaaseigo: i fail to see why all those have to be in one package12:53
aseigoour job is to get a desktop evnironment out that allows you to play sound12:54
aseigonikkia: they don't, but the total solution needs to cover those bases12:54
crimsunfrankly, that's overextending imo12:54
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crimsunnetwork sound is a great _idea_12:55
aseigowhich part is overextending exactly?12:55
aseigoand used in thin client computing.12:55
aseigoand NMM has shown it to be pretty doable12:55
tommyhi I'm not able to play mp3's with mpg123 or mpg321 what mistake I do?12:55
crimsunand NMM layers on what?12:56
crimsun(I'm not arguing; I'm interested)12:56
aseigocrimsun: on top of whatever the underlying OS provides12:57
crimsuntommy: I presume you're using arts in a default Kubuntu?12:57
aseigohrm. their web server seems to be down atm12:58
crimsuntommy: you could use artsdsp if I remember correctly12:58
crimsunartsdsp mpg123 ...12:59
nikkiathere's a version of mpg123 out there that can output directly to arts12:59
crimsunor simply set the timeout-and-release to a shorter idle period12:59
nikkiai doubt its packaged tho12:59
tommyI don't think is audio mistake...it says "no such file or directory" :=(01:00
crimsunaseigo: I presume you mean the one based in Saarland?01:00
wdsldo anyone know kanotix and the radeon-installer.sh? is there a simialar thing in ubuntu?01:02
tommyI go with shell in the directory of files...01:03
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fromozeOnce I read about a blogger cliente on kontact, but I can't find moer info about on the net. Some one has info about?01:13
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jeanlucw00t w00t01:17
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=== FractuS hi everybody
FractuSthis is only in english?01:20
uniqhi fractus. yes, this channel is english.01:20
othernoobwould anyone happen to know how to print coloured pdfs in black/white?01:22
fromozethere's kubuntu-es if you prefer spanish :)01:22
FractuSfromoze: thats rigth thnks01:22
FractuSothernoob: yo want no colors?01:24
othernoobFractuS: yes01:25
FractuSothernoob: well in the postscript driver conf you change to print in gray scale01:27
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othernoobFractuS: where do i find that?01:27
FractuSothernoob: humm ex: in the print dialog (any app) you click on advanced or properties of printer. then choose te option 01:28
othernoobFractuS: i don't find that option in kpdf01:29
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wdsldid anyone know where i can get my kernel sources?01:38
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crimsunwdsl: linux-source-2.6.1001:38
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wdsla thx01:39
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FractuSothernoob: waith01:46
FractuSothernoob: :S sorry i'm no have that app-  simply find a printer controler (spool controler) and find the options01:53
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othernoobFractuS: do you know how to print with xpdf using cups?01:53
FractuSothernoob: it uses lpr backend uh!.. it sends the buffer direct to printer :S 01:56
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othernoobshouldn't it be possible to use cups as well?01:57
FractuScups = Common Unix Printer Server01:59
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othernoobi know02:00
FractuShumm if cups is not runnig you dont print any file [sorry by my english] 02:00
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FractuSothernoob: remove the colour cartigre02:04
othernoobFractuS: it's a b/w laser printer02:04
epAn app I want depends on  libcurl3(>= 7.13.0-1) and libcurl3-dev(>= 7.13.0-1).  Is this package available for kubuntu?02:05
FractuSsorry find logs in email lists02:06
FractuSep: you try to know wath's the main package that content it next download and install it02:07
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epFractuS, I don't understand that sentence.  What is "wath's"02:08
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FractuSep: find the main package that contents libcurl3 and libcurl3-dev  .. try in http://rpmfind.net  next find a .deb version02:11
epok I'll see what i can do, thanks02:12
FractuStodo bien02:14
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FractuSthis chann do not move :S02:32
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McScruffwhat do you need to compile amsn02:39
seth_kit's in synaptic... why compile it?02:39
seth_knewer version?02:39
McScruffi want the cvs02:40
McScruffhas webcam :)02:40
seth_ksudo apt-get build-dep amsn02:40
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seth_kthat command pulls in all dependencies needed for compilation :)02:40
seth_klooks like 38, 6.8 MB02:40
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seth_kUbuntu pwns so hard02:44
seth_kam trying to fix this Windows box02:44
seth_kand I can't even reinstall Windows, it's so messed up02:44
PenguinBoyhey hey hey geeks, nerds, and Linux gurus02:44
seth_kbut a Warty LiveCD boots quite happily02:44
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seth_kbah, wrong channel03:02
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sproingieargh.  kpdf is broken after upgrading to 3.4.103:15
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sproingiedoesn't show any text, just occasional symbols03:15
FractuSdownload Acrobat Reader 7.0 03:15
sproingiefor amd64?03:16
sproingieit wasn't broken until the last upgrade03:16
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FractuS:O dont worry, you download the tgz and then you $sudo alien acroread-7***** it's all03:18
sproingiefor amd64.  how nice that they make it for amd6403:18
sproingiebecause last time i used the 32 bit reader, it simply crashed immediately03:18
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sproingieguess i'll ask on #kde03:18
FractuSsproingie: your kernel runs ok?03:18
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sproingiethis is not helping the kpdf situation03:19
seth_kreinstall kpdf? I've never had an issue :/03:19
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seth_kis there a newer version in Breezy? John could backport it for you; he has an AMD6403:20
FractuSjeje.. sure.. erase dir $HOME./kde/apps/config/kpdf <- i'not complety sure that directory03:20
thomasany body here03:20
seth_kyes, 64 of us03:20
seth_kwell, 63. One's a bot.03:20
thomasguy's how to lock control center ?03:21
thomasany software out of there ?03:21
FractuSif you erase the first conf of that app and it does not solve your problem propably you need to recompile it! :D03:22
FractuSthomas: kontrolcenter?03:22
seth_klock it? you have to use your password to change things in it anyways...03:22
thomasok seth_, and hot to prefent user from change wallpaper ?03:23
McScruffumount: /Storage: device is busy - how can i unbusy it03:24
thomashave searching on kde.org and nothing found03:24
supernixI still can't get any answers on how to play Midi files I tried Kmid and that was a no go03:25
seth_kMcScruff: end any programs using it03:25
McScruffii dont know what is03:26
supernixI installed Timidity and that is command line driven03:26
seth_kthomas: you are trying to make some sort of kiosk?03:26
seth_kthomas: http://jriddell.org/programs/kiosk-article.html03:26
FractuSsupernix: probably your sound card needs a other module run in the kernel <- i'm not sure03:27
McScruffhow do i format a hdd03:27
aseigoseth_k: kiosk ROCKS03:28
seth_kaseigo: word, hence I promote it03:28
aseigoseth_k: i'm actually doing a workshop on it at akademy this year; did one here in calgary a couple weeks ago03:29
aseigoseth_k: never fails to blow people away =)03:29
seth_khaha, excellent03:29
aseigoseth_k: where abouts are you locatd?03:30
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seth_kaseigo: Missouri, USA03:31
FractuSme: Pereira, Colombia03:32
aseigomuch open source happening in your areas?03:32
aseigoand, just because i have a particular interest in it, KDE?03:32
seth_kKDE is my interest too03:32
seth_kbut not terribly much so, no :(03:33
sproingieblowing away kpdf settings and reinstalling kpdf didnt help03:33
seth_kam looking into starting a LUG at my uni03:33
seth_kand have been handing out Ubuntu CDs like mad ;)03:33
aseigosproingie: what are you hoping to accomplish?03:33
aseigoseth_k: nice03:33
seth_khis kpdk keeps crashing03:33
aseigosproingie: backtrace?03:33
sproingieit doesn't crash03:33
sproingieit just doesn't display most of the doc03:34
sproingieblank space where text should be03:34
seth_koh right03:34
aseigooh ... that's not good =/03:34
aseigo(to state the bleeding obvious)03:34
sproingiekghostview renders it fine03:34
sproingiebut i can't search in it03:34
aseigosproingie: is this a pdf or a ps file?03:34
sproingieaseigo: pdf03:35
aseigosproingie: is it a publicly available pdf, that i could test?03:35
sproingiehey acroread actually works on my system now, so there's a possibility03:35
sproingieaseigo: sure, lemme find the filename03:35
aseigosproingie: great =)03:35
sproingie25366616.pdf google for it03:35
sproingieit's an intel reference manual03:35
McScruffhow can i format a storage hdd03:37
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FractuSsproingie: me compile them on mi machine v7.0 last version and works OK03:37
seth_k537 / 640 MB03:38
seth_kcome to me, hoary liveCD03:38
McScruffi got the printed discs :)03:38
McScrufflive and install ones03:38
seth_k:( mine haven't come yet03:39
seth_kdunno why03:39
seth_kseems like everyone else's have :P03:39
aseigosproingie: well, it works here with svn trunk =)03:39
IceDC571is kynaptic based on apt-get or aptitude?03:40
McScruffi took it off someone who came into college with a load03:40
seth_kthey're all based off the apt libraries03:40
aseigoIceDC571: synaptic03:40
sproingieaseigo: *sigh* ... maybe if i run kpdf from commandline i'll get interesting output03:40
aseigoIceDC571: and it uses apt-get in the back end03:40
IceDC571hmm.. does kynaptic offer any purge-like options?03:41
McScruffwhat tool cn i use to format this fuckin fat32 hdd03:41
sproingielot of lines like this:03:41
sproingiecouldn't open fontconfigs chosen font with Xft!!!03:41
aseigoMCCPicky: mkfs03:41
sproingiethough i get that on a lot of apps, and it's usually harmless03:41
IceDC571McScruff: qparted03:41
IceDC571or is it qtparted?03:41
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aseigoFractuS: see ya03:41
IceDC571bye FractuS 03:42
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sproingiethe print preview in kpdf works fine tho03:43
sproingielooks like print preview == kghostview03:43
IceDC571does anyone ever try 'sudo kate filename' in the terminal? it always crashes for me. is there something else i should use?03:43
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aseigoIceDC571: kdesu03:44
aseigoIceDC571: in fact.. do this:03:44
seth_kyeah, I actually bugreported that back in the day. Turns out KDE apps aren't to be used with sudo03:44
seth_kso kdesu is your friend03:44
aseigoIceDC571: alt+f2 (brings up the run dialog), kate filename, alt+o (for options), alt-u (for run as different user) throw in the password, hit enter03:45
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aseigoIceDC571: tres nice03:45
IceDC571hmm.. i never heard of kdesu03:45
IceDC571!info kdesu03:45
aseigoIceDC571: and if you do that a lot, you can make an entry on your panel or the desktop for that03:45
IceDC571i guess its not a package03:45
seth_kwe don't have ubotu here03:45
IceDC571seth_k: yeah we do :)03:45
seth_ktry that in #ubuntu03:45
seth_kubotu is here now03:46
ubotuI haven't a clue, seth_k03:46
crimsunubotu doesn't listen in here03:46
aseigono, it's in libs/base03:46
ubotuI don't know, crimsun03:46
crimsunhe's a bit loony03:46
aseigoa bit yes03:46
IceDC571!info kde03:46
ubotukde: (The K Desktop Environment), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 5:42ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB03:46
IceDC571now whos saying ubotu doesnt listen?? hah03:46
liz4rd!info my_bum03:46
crimsunno abusing the bot03:46
liz4rdi abused it with my_bum XD03:47
IceDC571hmm.. i wonder why kde 3.4.1 never made the official repos?03:47
liz4rdseth_k: DO YOU HAVE NO EMOTION!!!03:47
crimsunbecause it came out after we froze03:47
IceDC571ohh and i guess the repos people are picky about what to update in there03:48
liz4rdnothing really, you?03:48
crimsunfor hoary or hoary-updates?03:48
crimsunnothing will go into hoary period. hoary-updates is a slim possibility.03:49
IceDC571crimsun: i see, i never noticed that03:49
IceDC571crimsun: i look at the official debian repos and they seem to have most of the latest packages.. but i installed kde and they only got ver 3.2, strange03:50
crimsunsarge shipped with 3.3.x iirc03:50
IceDC571yeah it was somewhere around there03:51
crimsunyep, 3.3.2ish03:51
crimsunand 3.4.1 is in experimental03:51
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IceDC571yeah i was running main, testing, unstable, contrib03:52
IceDC571then i switched back to ubuntu because it took forever to configure my system under debian03:52
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IceDC571it took the whole day to make my system work like the default settings in kubuntu03:52
IceDC571then i noticed debian only had xfree86 instead of xorg03:53
crimsunDebian's XFree86 is solid03:54
seth_kxorg just entered unstable03:54
seth_kalbeit pretty broken still03:54
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seth_khmm, question. My Kubuntu laptop is great about opening files from an sftp connection directly, and editing live. On my Kubuntu desktop, same setup, it insists on downloading a local copy of the file, and only re-uploading once I close the program. Any ideas?04:56
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etistakillaevery executable file I download won't run.... "cannot execute binary file" could someone please help?05:35
seth_ketistakilla: there are few linux executables you can download05:41
seth_kwhat are you trying to run?05:41
IceDC571!info locales05:44
ubotulocales: (GNU C Library: National Language (locale) data [support] ), section base, is standard. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 (hoary), Packaged size: 3105 kB, Installed size: 10384 kB05:44
IceDC571!info ubuntu-base05:44
ubotuubuntu-base: (The Ubuntu base system), section base, is optional. Version: 0.43 (hoary), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 32 kB05:44
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etistakillaim trying to run RAR06:01
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dinocorei like kubuntu06:05
crimsunwell I like kubun, too06:06
seth_ketistakilla: where did you get it?06:06
etistakillathe os?06:06
seth_kno, rar06:07
etistakillafrom rarsoft.com06:07
seth_kthere's your first issue06:07
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seth_kyou need to use apt and get it from there06:07
etistakillathat doesnt work06:07
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arcanistheroguey helo thar06:07
arcanistheroguehey guys, i have a question about the panels06:08
seth_kwhy doesn't unrar-nonfree work06:08
seth_k!info unrar-nonfree06:08
ubotuunrar-nonfree: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section multiverse/utils, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 208 kB06:08
etistakillaone sec06:08
seth_karcanistherogue: just jump in and ask06:08
arcanistheroguehow do i make them opaque, not fully transparent?06:09
kalenedraelpanels, hmm06:10
arcanistherogueand how do i remove those little ridgy things on the left of an applet when you hover over it? 06:10
kalenedraelgo to the control center06:10
kalenedraelthe little ridgy things?06:10
arcanistheroguehover over the trash or something06:10
kalenedraeloh, the handles, i don't think you can remove them06:10
arcanistherogueoh ok06:10
arcanistherogueso im in the control center06:10
seth_kno, you can remove the handles06:11
arcanistheroguehow so?06:11
seth_kright click panel > configure panel > Appearance > Advanced Options > Hide06:11
kalenedraelgo to desktop -> panels06:11
arcanistherogueoh ok06:12
arcanistheroguei got the panels away, now for this06:12
kalenedraelin the transparency section go to "advanced options"06:12
kalenedraelyeah, should be self-explanatory06:13
arcanistheroguetint amount?06:13
arcanistheroguethanks alot 06:13
seth_ketistakilla: just talk here, not in PM06:14
seth_ketistakilla: sudo aptitude install unrar-nonfree06:14
etistakillathanks man06:14
seth_kno problem06:14
arcanistheroguewow thanks alot guys this is nifty06:15
arcanistheroguesay guys, is there any books that you reccomend i could pick up about linux tolearn the basic things?06:15
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seth_kbooks never seemed like a good option to me06:19
seth_kinternet is much more useful and more current06:19
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supernixanyone know how I could get my local messages from the system to email to a pop3 address ?06:31
arcanistheroguehey does anyone know a good program to rip mp3s off of a cd?06:35
arcanistherogueor how to get dev-C++ and IDLE for python on my computer?06:36
arcanistheroguewell nvm the idle, i found that on python.org, but how do i get dev-c++ O_o06:38
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arcanistheroguehello xwing06:46
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xwingi'm in the process of finding programs to replace my windows only programs06:48
xwinganyone here think they could help06:48
arcanistheroguei still use windows06:48
arcanistheroguewhat programs do you intend upon replacing?06:48
xwingulead dvd movie factory?06:49
arcanistheroguenever heard of that?06:49
xwingDVD Decrypter06:49
arcanistheroguesorry, i dont know about those ;_;06:50
xwingDVD Shrink06:50
arcanistheroguei need to find a c++ compiler06:50
arcanistherogueactually i should just use dev06:50
arcanistherogueyour using a mirc replacement now06:50
xwingnope still on windows06:51
arcanistheroguewell gnome has x chat06:51
arcanistherogueand kde has konversation06:51
arcanistheroguethey come defautl06:51
xwingok good06:51
arcanistheroguei swap off between linux and win xp06:51
arcanistheroguei do alot of gaming and programming06:51
xwingTMPGEnc, VideoLAN, WinRAR, nero06:52
=== liz4rd whish he could kick the winblows user
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ChurcH_of_FoamYliz4rd ^_^06:53
xwingi'll be using the kde version so i need kde friendly programs06:53
arcanistheroguei use both OSs06:53
arcanistheroguei dont see why everyoen hates them06:53
ChurcH_of_FoamYwhatch been up to?06:53
arcanistherogueand i use mac os x06:53
liz4rdyour reall screwed up :P06:53
arcanistheroguethats for art06:53
xwingarcanistherogue: i'm just tied of all the windows problems, spyware, trojans, etc06:53
liz4rdno this winblows cracker06:54
arcanistherogueprobably *puts on anti flame suit* windows xp, but thats only because i play ALOT of computer games06:54
ChurcH_of_FoamYwinbows ewwww gross06:54
arcanistheroguethen linux06:54
arcanistheroguethen mac os X06:54
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ubotuextra, extra, read all about it, ! is what u add before a sentence to talk to me06:54
ubotuarcanistherogue: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?06:54
ubotuarcanistherogue: Are you smoking crack?06:55
ChurcH_of_FoamYhi ubotu06:55
ChurcH_of_FoamYubotu hi 06:55
ubotuwhat's up06:55
xwingarcanistherogue: i know if june 2006 apple does happen to release a x86 version of MacOS i'll buy it one the 1st day just to get rid of windows06:55
ChurcH_of_FoamYi just got a new clock in today ^_^06:55
arcanistheroguethats what i plan on using ,i have to use a crappy g4 now...06:55
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liz4rdAHAHAHAAH dont worry about him06:57
ChurcH_of_FoamYarcanistherogue i just read an articule in popular science that talked about the future and the ability to grow organic computers06:57
xwinghas the version of linux that ubuntu is built from have better support for scanners ?06:57
arcanistheroguethats messed up O_o06:57
ChurcH_of_FoamYthat would be far faster than anything silicon based 06:57
arcanistherogueis there a link to it online?06:57
ChurcH_of_FoamYi know but think about it all you'd have to do is water your computer06:57
ChurcH_of_FoamYi don't know06:58
arcanistheroguewater your computer?06:58
liz4rdgive up now06:58
ChurcH_of_FoamYwho me or him06:58
arcanistherogueaw.... v_v06:58
xwingChurcH_of_FoamY: i'm sure that if that happened the u.s. would make computers a "controled substance"06:58
liz4rdlol ChurcH_of_FoamY will confuse the fuck out of you man06:58
arcanistherogueso tell me liz4rd, why does windows suck?06:59
ChurcH_of_FoamY^_^  yea i'm good at throughin a monky wrench in the works06:59
arcanistheroguebesides the fact its made by "M$"06:59
arcanistherogueyay for monkey wrenches06:59
xwingthats a question you need to ask, then you'll never know the true answer06:59
arcanistheroguesay, is there a way for me to use steam on linux?06:59
ChurcH_of_FoamYi can answer it ^_^07:00
arcanistherogueor photoshop?07:00
ChurcH_of_FoamY1 it's 199 for a copy of windows you don't own07:00
ChurcH_of_FoamY2 viruses07:00
arcanistherogue<_< i didnt pay for it07:00
ChurcH_of_FoamY3 securety flaws07:00
ChurcH_of_FoamY4 it eats hardware for breakfast07:00
ChurcH_of_FoamY4 the blue screen of death07:00
arcanistheroguei dont want my bueatiful 3000+ being eaten...07:00
arcanistherogueor my 6600 GT07:01
ChurcH_of_FoamYwindows xp is so hardware intensive it's not even funnie07:01
liz4rdwell first of all you constantly need these security updates. plus you haveto constantly spend money on hardware and software to stay _current_ with microsuck, everything is hidden form you you cant see what goes on in the background, you get viruses, you always have to restart, and they brain wash to into thinking that everything els isnt "standerd"07:01
ChurcH_of_FoamYthat and they babysit you through the intire install07:01
arcanistheroguewell if i can run steam, xfire, photoshop, illustrator, and a couple other small programs on ilinux i dont need windows07:01
ChurcH_of_FoamYand treat you like a moron with the GUI by making all your choices for you07:02
liz4rdaweee wqould you liek to set up your netwerky worky?07:02
xwingphotoshop = GIMP07:02
arcanistheroguenah, i dont like gimp07:02
arcanistherogueits not as good07:02
liz4rdi do agree on one thing07:02
arcanistheroguebut if i cna run PS on linux im golden07:02
xwingi prefer gimp crashes less often07:02
ChurcH_of_FoamYmy cpu runs 25% cooler with linux than with windows07:02
liz4rdi would love to have photoshop and dreamweaver back07:02
arcanistheroguei dont need dreamweaver, im too leet for that <_<07:03
liz4rdChurcH_of_FoamY, as does mine07:03
arcanistherogue*gets shot*07:03
ChurcH_of_FoamYhere's adobie is goin opensource07:03
liz4rdplus your connection crawls under windows07:03
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea it does07:03
ChurcH_of_FoamYsurf the web with linux you'll see07:03
ChurcH_of_FoamYit's faster07:03
arcanistheroguei dont see much difference07:03
liz4rdwayyy faster07:03
arcanistheroguei have a cable connection07:03
ChurcH_of_FoamYyou will when you download something07:03
liz4rdmy download speeds go up not stqart high then go down07:03
ChurcH_of_FoamYso do i a 5meg07:04
arcanistheroguemebbe ill start using linux more<_<07:04
arcanistheroguebut i want my art apps07:04
arcanistherogueand steam07:04
arcanistheroguei LOVE half life07:04
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ChurcH_of_FoamYin linux07:04
liz4rdarcanistherogueL suck it up theres other games its not a HUGE loss :P07:04
arcanistheroguei love half llfie07:04
arcanistheroguei need it07:04
ChurcH_of_FoamYit works in linux07:04
ChurcH_of_FoamYas does ut0407:04
arcanistherogueyeah i play that07:05
arcanistheroguebut how do i get steam on linux?07:05
ChurcH_of_FoamYwith point2play for transgaming07:05
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ChurcH_of_FoamYit's a compatability layer developed to run win*ucks games07:05
xwingso can anyone else help with what programs i can use on linux to replace my windows ones07:05
ChurcH_of_FoamYthat depends07:05
ChurcH_of_FoamYwhat you need07:05
liz4rdxwing, what ones07:06
ChurcH_of_FoamYi have found that 90% of the apps are better than win07:06
arcanistheroguehey i have a question, how do i give myself permission to certain files?  i installed something on my desktop by accident...07:06
arcanistherogueand i cant move it07:06
liz4rdchown username file07:06
xwingulead dvd movie factory, DVD Decrypter, DVD Shrink, mirc, TMPGEnc, VideoLAN, WinRAR, nero07:06
liz4rdor chmod 755 filename07:06
ChurcH_of_FoamYarcanistherogue do you want to delete it?07:06
ChurcH_of_FoamYsudo rm -r <filename>07:07
liz4rdxwing. mirc = irssi, chat. WinRAR = tar.gz,gunzip,ark. nero = k3b 07:07
liz4rdi dont know about dvd stuff07:07
xwingi did find this not sure how good it is http://lvempeg.sourceforge.net/07:07
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arcanistheroguewow thanks07:07
arcanistheroguehey how do i patch up this space in my panel <_<07:08
arcanistheroguethere is a space near the system applet07:08
arcanistheroguewhere the handle was, i hid them07:08
liz4rdclikc and hold the nerest bertical spacer thinger and drag?07:08
liz4rdin the dark07:08
ChurcH_of_FoamYonce apon a midnight dreary while i ponderd weak and weary......07:09
arcanistheroguedamn i used to know that07:09
arcanistherogue..over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore07:10
ChurcH_of_FoamY my celery stalks at night O_o07:10
liz4rd...while the penguins scury about07:10
arcanistheroguehey whats a good ftp program for kde?07:10
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arcanistheroguey helo thar trog07:10
ChurcH_of_FoamYand my onion crys while windows frys07:11
liz4rdarcanistherogue, well its uni but "gftp"07:11
liz4rdChurcH_of_FoamY: AHAHAHAA07:11
arcanistheroguehey, how do i get it so numlock is on by default at boot up?07:11
liz4rdsudo aptitude install gftp07:11
liz4rdsudo apt-get install gftp07:12
ChurcH_of_FoamYi was so pissed today liz4rd i just setup windows xp for a customer and i went to the bathroom....07:12
liz4rdaptitude is better i think07:12
ChurcH_of_FoamYi come back and it has that stupid blaster worm07:12
arcanistheroguei got an error07:12
ChurcH_of_FoamYshutting it down every 60 seconds >.<07:12
liz4rdwhats the error?07:12
liz4rdChurcH_of_FoamY, i know how to fix that with out programs07:13
arcanistherogueE: unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try --fix-missing?07:13
liz4rdalso if you catching whip open star > run 07:13
liz4rdtype shutdown -a07:13
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea it's a reg fix i know but it's such a pan in the arse07:13
arcanistheroguewill that shutoff my computer>_>07:13
liz4rdarcanistherogue, do what it says07:13
liz4rd arcanistherogue, will what?07:13
liz4rdthe shutdown -a 07:14
arcanistheroguei need to be root to do that... sure nothign bad will happen?07:14
liz4rdno :P07:14
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liz4rdsudo 07:14
arcanistheroguesure <_<07:14
spermie_411anyone in here use cedega?07:14
liz4rdspermie__441!!!! AHAHAHHA i love your nick07:14
spermie_411liz4rd  =P07:15
arcanistheroguehey wait, i need hellp installing python 2.4 07:15
liz4rdlol you'd fit right in whith me and ChurcH_of_FoamY =P07:15
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arcanistheroguei need to make the install thing, i have never done this before07:15
liz4rdarcanistherogue: are you on kubuntu or ubuntu?07:16
liz4rdor what distro?07:16
spermie_411liz4rd we gotta start a IRC clan07:16
arcanistherogueubuntu, but i apt-get installed kubuntu07:16
arcanistherogueim on kde now07:16
arcanistherogueso far i ran the ./configure07:16
arcanistheroguebut i dont know what to do next07:16
liz4rdlol for sure spermie_41107:16
liz4rdarcanistherogue, LOL dont dod that07:16
liz4rddelete that python folder and file07:16
liz4rdsudo apt-get install python2.407:17
liz4rdin a term07:17
arcanistheroguethen how do i run IDLE?07:17
arcanistherogueor python07:17
liz4rdtype python...07:17
liz4rdor use a text editor and save asd .py07:17
arcanistheroguecan i put a shortcut to IDLE on the desktop?07:17
liz4rdjust run konsole then type python07:18
liz4rdbuti dont use kde :P07:18
arcanistheroguehow do i make a new window?07:19
arcanistheroguelike in IDLE07:19
arcanistherogueyou make a new window and save it as a .py file07:19
xwingwhat distro is ubuntu built from?07:19
arcanistheroguedebian i though?07:19
arcanistheroguebut i dont know much07:19
xwingi'm trying to find out if my scanner will work or not07:20
bbaileyIt's built on top of debian 3.1 (sarge)07:20
xwingi don't think last time i used kubuntu it did07:20
arcanistheroguehow do i execute one of my .py files?07:24
arcanistheroguewhen i double click it opens in kate07:24
liz4rdarcanistherogue, open konsole or w/e07:25
liz4rdthen cd to the dir the files are in07:25
liz4rdso cd Desktop or w/e07:25
liz4rdthen type07:25
liz4rdpython filename.py07:25
arcanistheroguewow thanks alot dude07:26
arcanistherogueyou are really helpful.07:26
xwingnight all07:26
arcanistheroguei think im gonna go too07:26
arcanistheroguesee everyone later07:27
liz4rdlater man07:27
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_warren_Hey what's up008:02
IceDC571is everyone not awake?08:11
crimsunI'm definitely asleep.08:11
IceDC571crimsun: are you running kde?08:12
crimsunat the moment? No, GNOME.08:13
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spermie_how do i change konsol settings on kubuntu as root?09:14
Computer__Gurui dunno, i have an actual root acct, so i just login as root when i need to change root settings09:17
shogoukispermie_: sudo konsole and the change the settings ?09:20
spermie_Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-spermie" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.09:22
spermie_Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"09:22
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shogoukiho same here09:22
shogoukispermie_: alt+f2 and kdesu konsole09:23
spermie_root@Spermie:/home/spermie #09:30
spermie_ whats with the home/ thing 09:30
spermie_and its not saving09:33
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Computer__Guruumm /home/ is the directory that contains all the user dirs09:34
Computer__Gurutry sudo su -09:34
Computer__Guruit'll initialize the root environment09:34
Computer__Gurusudo apt-get install sux09:34
Computer__Gurusudo sux -09:34
Computer__Guruwhatis sux:09:35
Computer__Gurusux: nothing appropriate.09:35
Computer__Gurusux - wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials09:35
Computer__Guruwhy is it sometimes whatis doesnt work09:35
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spermie_whats a good website, 09:42
spermie_where i can go to learn theses commands?09:42
shogoukisearch for bash or unix tutorials09:43
Computer__Guruwhat commands?09:48
shogoukispermie_: if you search a command, try  apropos your_word09:49
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spermie_Computer__Guru hey09:51
spermie_you use cedega?09:51
Computer__Guruim not a gamer, bro.. sorry09:51
spermie_ah.. alright09:52
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Computer__Gurudoesnt kubuntu-desktop include koffice?10:02
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spermie_Computer__Guru  yes10:07
Computer__Guruthen why isnt it installed?10:07
spermie_opps actually it does, i installed it myself10:08
Computer__Guruim installing it now10:08
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spermie_is there any movie editing / fake adobe premiere rip off for linux?10:12
Kamping_Kaiserhttp://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml look here spermie_10:15
spermie_thanks Kamping_Kaiser10:18
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Kamping_Kaiserthat's ok spermie_10:21
arcanistheroguehey, does anyone know how to get all the buttons working on an MX 510 mouse?10:21
arcanistheroguei want to use the back buttons and whatnot...10:21
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spermie_spermie@Spermie:~$ sudo alien -i ~/Desktop/ cinelerra-1.2.2-1.i386.rpm10:32
spermie_File "/home/spermie/Desktop/" not found.10:32
spermie_what am i doing wrong?10:32
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spermie_nm i got it10:38
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buzhow "stable" is breezy these days?10:50
painesbuz, look at #ubuntu10:51
painesthey just chnaged the topic not to upgrade xorg10:51
buznot at all it seems ;)10:51
buzwhat is it with the qt4 link in the topic here?10:51
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Computer__Gurudoes ANYONE know of a program similar to NEROVision eXpress for linux? A program that will let me add mpegs or avis or divx files, and will transcode them to dvd and build menus n such?11:05
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nikkiayay, prepare for large numbers of 'firefox is too old' questions again :)12:08
Kamping_Kaiserlol. *flees*12:08
nikkiathey just released 1.0.5 i would seem12:08
hussamnikkia: I usually use the linux installer builds from mozilla.org12:09
nikkiathat doesn't stop lots and lots of people coming here to ask :P12:09
nikkiathis is very bizarre12:11
nikkiabittorrent appears to have stopped working on my machine for no reason12:11
hussambuilds 1.0.3 and 1.0.4 were really bad. they had a lot of bugs that were not present in 1.0.2 12:11
hussambut they fixed most of these in 1.0.512:11
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Arsenio_Lupinhi all12:12
Arsenio_Lupinsomeone has problems with kmail and address book?12:12
Arsenio_Lupini've found a trhead in the forum, but no solution12:12
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tjsanyone using kbfx? 12:43
tjsI have installed it from some debs I found on the kde-look.org site12:43
tjsbut its cutting the images off half way, that I drag onto it12:43
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_novaHow can I get beta releases listed in kynaptic?01:00
Kamping_Kaise1beta releases of what?01:02
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hussamyou mean breezy?01:03
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hussamI have a question. I compiled/installed xfce 4.2.2 using gui installer. I enabled composite. but I got no shadows. I know xorg.conf is configured correctly because I get shadows in kde 3.4.1. any ideas?01:24
miklhussam: burn the onholy gtk-apps and be happy ;)01:30
hussammikl: Don't get me wrong. I love kde. I've never had gnome installed in any distro I've tried.01:31
hussammikl: but I saw some xfce 4.2.2 screenies and I wanted to try it.01:32
miklit is kinda nice, but it lacks the nice integration of KDE :)01:32
hussammikl: definitely, kde is probably the most refined user interface I've ever seen.01:33
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mikland their defaut icon-theme is positively hideous ;)01:33
hussamI'm waiting for firefox 1.1,  it will compile using qt libs01:35
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bRadArmPittwhy is badger breezy?01:35
buzhussam: really? SWEEEET01:35
buzwhen is it due for release01:35
miklbRadArmPitt: why is the sun hot?01:35
hussambuz: late summer.01:36
bRadArmPittthat not answer my question01:36
buzbecause it fuses shitloads of hydrogen01:36
Kamping_Kaise1bRadArmPitt: i believe mark s chooses the names01:36
miklbRadArmPitt: because it fuses shitloads of hydrogen :)01:37
bRadArmPittwhat does that mean01:37
hussamthe one after breezy will be called: fuzzy wabbit01:37
miklmore like wuzzy wabbit :)01:37
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hussammikl: lol yes01:38
miklwhat was the first ubuntu? I never seem to remember that...01:38
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Kamping_Kaise1Warty warthog01:39
hussam4.10 was first version? there was no 3 or 2 or 1?01:40
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miklit was the first public one01:40
Kamping_Kaise1because it was relesead october, 200401:40
Kamping_Kaise1wtfs with my nic?01:40
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OculusAquilaebreezy is 200>5<.1001:41
hussamOculusAquilae: ah, I get it01:41
hussamhoary 200>5<0401:41
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nikkiahussam, you'd only format the wrong one anyway01:44
nikkiamy boot partition is NOT on hda :P01:44
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hussamnikkia: smart01:44
nikkiahussam, not especially, its just how it ended up...01:45
nikkiathe sad reality is, the boot partition is on the slowest interfaced drive in my system :/01:45
miklwell, you can always have windows-installer format all disks :)01:46
tuxmetell me how to make my ubuntu boot up have a graphic but not text like it does now01:46
hussamnikkia: should that really matter? unless the motherboard is old like mine.01:47
nikkiahussam: its not the motherboard or the drive, its the fact that the boot partition is on a caddy'ed drive, and somehow the caddy's ATA100 interface doesn't seem like its ATA10001:48
nikkiathe drive is identical to another in my system, and is on the same interface as the identical drive, yet it seems about 1/5-1/4 the speed01:49
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nikkiait would be a PITA to reformat/reinstall everything though (yes, i know, i should just swap the caddy around, but that is also a PITA :)01:49
Kamping_Kaisertuxme: try splashy01:50
hussamok I got that. but 1/4 is a bit too much.01:50
tuxmeKamping_Kaiser what is splashy01:50
tuxmeis that a drunk badger?01:50
Kamping_Kaiserit's throws a graphic over the boot text01:52
tuxmeKamping_Kaiser is it bug free?01:52
_novaHow do I get unstable releases to show up in kynaptic? I want to upgrade to amarok 1.3 beta01:52
Kamping_Kaisertuxme: don't know01:52
hussam_nova: you can't get 1.3, the lastest in breezy is 1.2.401:54
_novathat then01:56
_novawhatever the newest is, I just the version I have is not the newest01:56
tuxmeuse cvs01:57
_novawhat's that?01:57
tuxmeread the amarok site and youll see01:57
tuxmeits better than beta01:57
tuxmeand you will always be cutting edge01:57
_novaCan I do that through kynaptic?01:58
_novaI'd like to keep it simple01:58
tuxmeit is simple01:58
tuxmeyou use cvs01:58
tuxmefollow simple instructions and you have it01:58
tuxmesplashy badgers!01:59
_novaWhat's the difference between hoary and breezy?02:04
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Kamping_Kaiser_nova: stability and 6 months work02:05
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_novaIs it a new version of kubuntu?02:06
_novabecause I could only find the hoary download on the kubuntu site02:06
Kamping_Kaiserit's the unreleased version02:07
_novaah, I see02:08
_novaOnce it's released, is it possible to upgrade from within hoary?02:08
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nova_Is SVN any different from CVS?02:10
nova_hah, it's just that the amarok says that it's for experienced users, but I'm hardly experienced02:11
qbitwhere does one get the Xorg includes in order to compile something?02:19
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buzqbit: compile what02:34
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DrXHi Im trying to configure my network card but I can't change to Administrator mode in Control Center, everything is still grey when i have typed in the password02:36
DrXI want to setup the network for a local network with static ip adress, is there another way to do this ?02:38
Kamping_Kaiserusing text mode edior02:39
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DrXok and what should i edit ?02:40
Kamping_KaiserDrX: try opening a root terminal and running the control center from there02:40
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Kamping_Kaiserif that fails do text editing. /etc/network/interfaces02:40
Kamping_Kaiser$EDITOR /etc/network/interfaces02:40
DrXhow do i start control center from the terminal ?02:41
DrXnm i found it02:42
DrXah now it works, great02:42
Kamping_Kaiserat least now you can change stuff ;)02:42
DrXtime for a test :)02:43
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buzhttp://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/releases/1.0.5.html ?02:49
buzis there anyone that builds really updated (not just backport) firefox debs for ubuntu?02:49
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Kamping_Kaiserno afaik02:50
Kamping_Kaiserunless you get from Breezy02:50
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osityanyone know how to setup a softwre raid 103:57
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JohnFluxHey all05:17
JohnFluxI just installed kubuntu for the first, but I'm a long time linux user.05:17
JohnFluxThe touch pad on my laptop doesn't work however05:17
JohnFluxalso, what is the root password?05:17
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Kamping_Kaiserby default you use sudo 05:18
JohnFluxsudo asks for a password05:18
Kamping_Kaiserre touch pad... i cant help05:18
Kamping_Kaisersudo ... your passwd05:18
JohnFluxah thanks05:19
Kamping_Kaiserthat's ok05:19
JohnFluxI think the problem might be the protocol its using.  Its configured as "auto-dev"05:20
JohnFluxis that reliable?05:20
Kamping_Kaiseri know nothing.. me janior... me wax floors ;)05:21
Kamping_Kaiserif that sounds familiar it's one of the bohf excuses05:22
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JohnFluxah hmm "no synaptics touchpad detected" :\05:23
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Kamping_Kaiserxorg-driver-synaptics - Synaptics TouchPad driver for X.Org server05:28
Kamping_Kaiseryou got that JohnFlux05:28
JohnFluxyeah that's installed05:28
JohnFluxi just did "cat /dev/input/event0"  and event105:28
JohnFluxbut touching the pad produces nothing05:29
JohnFluxso its a kernel problem05:29
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_novaIf I want to install SVN do I get libsvn0 from kynaptic? or libsvn-dev? or both? Thanks05:29
JohnFlux_nova: neither05:30
JohnFlux_nova: get "subversion"05:30
buzis there a binary of deer park with qt support anywhere?05:30
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JohnFlux_nova: in general, -dev  is only needed when compiling software. and generally you shouldn't install lib..  yourself - it will be depended on by other programs so installed that way05:55
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JohnFluxHAHA. I was using the system trying to work out how to get the mousepad working..06:05
JohnFluxthen suddenly realised I was using the mousepad...06:06
JohnFluxsomething i did 5 mins ago or so worked06:06
JohnFluxi just never realised ;)06:06
RiddellJohnFlux: what is a synaptics mousepad anyway?06:09
JohnFluxtouchpad thing that most laptops use06:09
JohnFluxuh touchpad  i meant - not mousepad ;)06:09
JohnFluxmouse touchpad06:10
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Riddelland it needs some funny driver instead of the standard ps2 stuff?06:10
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JohnFluxits usb, and uses a synaptic driver06:10
JohnFluxis the .deb file 06:10
RiddellJohnFlux: can you check if ksynaptics works?06:11
JohnFluxRiddell: hmm I can't find it06:12
RiddellJohnFlux: it's in universe06:12
JohnFluxRiddell: does ubuntu come by default with good apt repositories?06:12
RiddellJohnFlux: you'll need to enable universe in /etc/apt/sources.list06:12
JohnFluxthanks.  will take a while.. sloooow connectino06:13
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F_for_FraggingRiddell: I've spoken to you about the Karbon crash bugs a few weeks ago, and I've posted the bug report here - https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1255 - but did you see it? Still no comments on the bug06:19
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RiddellF_for_Fragging: hmm, works for me06:22
Riddellwonder if it's baghira06:22
F_for_Fragginghow do you know my window decoration? from the backtrace I posted? I'll try to change to Plastik then06:24
RiddellF_for_Fragging: yes, the backtrace says baghira :)06:25
F_for_FraggingRiddell: with Plastik Karbon doesn't crash anymore06:26
F_for_FraggingRiddell: but ths still is strange, the other KOffice programs don't have problems with Baghira06:26
Riddellhmm, so could be an issue with karbon or bdaghira06:27
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F_for_Fraggingok, thank you for the information06:30
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yozhi guys... I was wondering how long it takes to get firefox 1.0.5  as deb for example..06:43
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EiGHTBALLxwhat is the default KDE dir?06:44
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apokryphoseightballx: the default KDE directory06:45
eightballxi know that, i was wondering where its located!06:46
eightballxim not a complete n00b!06:46
aseigokde-config --prefix; kde-config --localprefx06:46
aseigoer, localprefix06:46
apokryphoseightballx: what's the context? They're either referring to /usr or ~/.kde06:46
apokryphos(on Ubuntu)06:46
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eightballxi have to put a folder for some themes06:47
yozeightballx: it's /usr06:47
apokryphoseightballx: what themes? 06:47
apokryphosIf they're going to be installed systemwide then they're going to be going inside /usr somewhere, most probably. If they're gonna be just for your user, then in .kde06:48
eightballxits a login theme06:48
eightballxso id say /usr06:48
apokryphoseightballx: KDM one?06:49
apokryphoseightballx: http://kdelook.org/help/index.php?type=4006:49
eightballxwow, i sure am ignorant thanks06:49
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eightballx/home/zak/.kde/share/apps/kdm doesnt exist"!06:51
eightballxoh its kstyle in ubuntu!06:52
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eightballxkdmrc doenst exist06:54
aseigothat would be `kde-config --prefix`/share/apps/kdm for the kdmrc stuff06:55
aseigokdm isn't per-user, it's system wide only (for fairly obvious reasons =)06:56
aseigo /home/zak/.kde/share/apps/kdm <--- of course you don't have that =)06:56
apokryphosYou can just edit /usr/share/apps/kdm/kdmrc to set UseTheme=true and Theme=/path/to/theme06:56
eightballxPut the theme folder in ~/.kde/share/apps/kdm/themes06:56
apokryphosno wait, kdmrc is in /etc06:57
apokryphos /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc06:57
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apokryphosaseigo: funny that the howto should suggest it in ~07:00
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dyllanhey guys.. .07:38
dyllani cant login as root on the shell?07:38
dyllani know the password i have is correct, but it still wont let me07:38
dyllanany ideas?07:38
apokryphosdyllan: Ubuntu doesn't use root, it uses sudo07:38
ubotuI heard rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo07:38
dyllanso if i was at the shell, how would i get root access?07:39
apokryphosdyllan: make sure any command you want to run as root is preceded by "sudo"07:39
apokryphosor you could just type sudo -s  to go into the equivalent of a root shell07:39
dyllanahh ok :)07:40
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dyllanis there the same package managment tool for kubuntu? the graphical apt-get update etc?07:48
dyllanand has anyone got wireless to work? :P07:48
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chris12349dyllan:  I did get wireless working but I had to use the gnome  networking tool to do it07:52
spiraldyllan: I have wireless working with ipw2200 & good ol' command line07:53
[Relic] is there anyway of getting rid of the keyboard delay time on repeats?07:54
dyllanwhat is the file i have to edit for my networking>07:54
dyllanlike i would like to change default gateway etc? :)07:54
Riddelldyllan: kynaptic07:54
dyllanon gentoo its /etc/conf.d/net07:54
spiraldyllan: /etc/network/interfaces07:54
dyllanRiddell, kynaptic doesnt setup the ubuntu update servers etc07:54
dyllantanks spiral 07:54
spiraldyllan: kynaptic is quite minimalistic for the moment...07:55
dyllanyea i noticed, not a problem :)07:55
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_novaI just installed something called subvision(?) that could do svn builds, to install the newest amarok. What's the command instead of svn? cause I need to follow this: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Installation_HowTo#Building_SVN_amaroK Thanks08:13
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_novaSubversion it's called08:18
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seth_kyou're right; svn is the command to call subversion08:21
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chxHi. I have bought a Razer Diamondback mouse and googling  razer ubuntu either razer kubuntu  revealed nothing. The mouse works , yes, but it has many special features and I am looking for fellow users...08:23
_novayeah, I just noticed I forgot to install it, haha08:24
_novaI need autoconf 2.53? I thought kynaptic took care of depencies?08:25
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shogouki_nova: are you sure about installing the svn version ?08:26
_novanevermind it's working now08:27
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_novaconfigure: error: expected an absolute directory name for --prefix: kde-config --prefix08:31
_novaI get that when I try the ./configure thing08:31
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seth_khave you ever built something from source before?08:32
_novaWhen I try this line: ./configure --enable-debug=full --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` Can I just leave out the part behind ./configure?08:32
_novaI've been using kubuntu for 30 mins08:32
seth_koh, haha08:33
seth_kfirst time using Linux?08:33
seth_kanyways, I think amarok uses autoconf and automake08:33
_novaNo I tried it two years ago or so aswell, but I can't remember anything08:34
_novayeah I've already installed those :p08:34
_novakynaptic is great08:34
_novaI'm guessing though, that I don't REALLY need this: --enable-debug=full --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`08:34
_novaam I assuming correctly?08:34
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seth_kno, you do08:36
seth_kyour problem is that kde-config is not installed08:36
blueyed_nova: prefix is quite important.. you should leave that one in  - whatever you want to compile.08:36
seth_ki'm looking to find where you can get it08:36
seth_k./configure --enable-debug=full --prefix=`/usr/bin/kde-config --prefix`08:39
_novaawesome, thanks alot man08:39
_novaconfigure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH08:40
_novathat's what it gives me08:40
_novahaha, the problems just keeps on piling08:40
_novaWhat's a good compiler that's available on kynaptic? 08:40
seth_kuse kynaptic to install build-essential08:41
seth_kit's a metapackage that pulls in all deps for building08:41
_novaconfigure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!08:42
_novathat's what it spat out08:42
apokryphos_nova: you need the X includes. libx11-dev08:43
apokryphos!find libx11-dev08:43
ubotulibx11-dev: (X Window System protocol client library development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 6.8.2-10 (hoary), Packaged size: 1334 kB, Installed size: 4384 kB08:43
seth_ki think sudo apt-get build-dep amarok would be easier08:43
seth_ksince it probably wouldn't change for the SVN08:43
seth_kamarok has a load of build-deps08:44
_novaI've come this far, might aswell go all the way :p08:44
apokryphos_nova: what's the problem with amaroK?08:44
_novaNo problem, I just want the wiki feature08:44
apokryphos_nova: still only 1.2.3 in the repos? 08:45
apokryphosNot too bad I guess... 1.3 isn't actually out08:45
_novayeah, it's just I had the beta on another distro and found the wiki feature immensely usefull08:46
apokryphosYeah, it's really great.08:46
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apokryphosWiki-KDE relationship is undoubtedly going to be very positive08:47
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_novaok, latest error is kind of large. Where can I dump it?08:47
apokryphos_nova: patebin.ubuntu.com is good08:48
ubotu[pastebin]  at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood08:48
chxhi. it seems my kwalletmanager has died :( :(  the wallet does not open and if I close and try to restart the manager it hangs08:49
seth_kare you running KDE 3.4.1, chx?08:49
seth_kdid you run an apt-get build-dep _nova?08:50
apokryphos_nova: isn't that one self-explanatory?08:51
apokryphosyou probably don't have libz (and the dev files)08:51
_novaseth_k: nope08:51
_novaapokryphos: I'll get those, thanks08:51
seth_k_nova: sudo apt-get build-dep amarok (in a terminal)08:51
seth_kit will make your life lots easier08:51
chxseth_k: it's 3.4.1 and it was working 'till 10 minutes ago when I restarted X08:52
_novarm is still the remove command right?08:52
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_novastupid question, but how do I go one folder up in a terminal?08:53
seth_kcd ..08:53
seth_kand rm is remove, yes08:53
_novadoesn't work for folders?08:53
_novaor do I su in to do that?08:54
seth_krm -rf for a folder08:54
seth_kno su08:54
_novahaha, ok08:54
seth_kKubuntu doesn't even have it by default08:54
chxseth_k: any ideas? 08:54
seth_kuse sudo for everything08:54
seth_kchx, none really :(08:54
chxseth_k: should I try strace? I never tried strace before on a KDE app...08:55
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seth_kchx, if it were me I would probably try purging the package and reinstalling08:56
chxseth_k: and lose all passwords in the wallet??08:56
_novaI allways write them down on a piece of post-it08:56
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_novaseth_k: when I start amarok it's still the old version?09:01
jpatrickdoes anyone know where I might find the Kopete icon?09:01
seth_k_nova: it would have installed to a different place09:02
_novaah, and how do I replace the old amarok with the new one?09:03
seth_kjpatrick: /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/64x64/apps/kopete.png09:03
jpatrickthank you!09:03
seth_kno problem :)09:04
jpatrickNeed it for my object bar09:05
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jpatrickNow it work fine!09:06
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Ysblokjeanybody here ?09:09
_novaHow do I replace the shortcut in the kubuntu menu to point to a newer version of amarok?09:09
seth_k_nova: right click it :P09:09
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Ysblokjedunno what package to install to get it to fill up09:10
seth_khmmm, first the quintessential question: running KDE 3.4.1 ?09:10
_novaya, the kommand says amarok  the location field is empty09:11
seth_k(and you are looking in settings:/Accessibility/ > Keyboard Layout?)09:11
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Ysblokjelooking like a fool now ;)09:11
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apokryphos_nova: it should change automatically if you compiled correctly09:15
_novaI did the sudo apt-get build-dep amarok09:15
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apokryphos_nova: that will only attempt to get you the dependencies for compiling09:16
apokryphos_nova: as in, you will still have to compile09:16
_novahaha, ok09:16
_novahow do I do that? :B09:17
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apokryphos_nova:  Compiling generally consists of (i) untarring the file; (ii) configuring it; (iii) make; and then (iv) make install09:18
apokryphosFor a description on what they do: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers.php?action=viewarticle&artid=1509:19
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_novawhere did the apt-get put the file? isn't in the folder I was in when I typed it09:19
apokryphos_nova: which file? Apt-get will install things to their appropriate location; it's independent of your current directory09:20
_novanewest amarok09:21
apokryphos_nova: you can't get the newest amaroK from apt09:21
apokryphosit's not in the repositories09:21
jpatricklike you can't get the newest firefox09:21
_novasudo apt-get build-dep amarok is what I did, and it downloaded a lot09:21
seth_kjpatrick: it's in backports09:22
seth_k_nova: that extracts things to the proper places for you09:22
apokryphos_nova: as I said before, that will attempt to download the dependencies you'll need for building amaroK09:22
seth_kyou still need to compile09:22
apokryphosseth_k: amaroK 1.3 beta is?09:22
jpatrickin backports?09:22
_novaok, where do I go from now?09:23
seth_kapokryphos: I was referencing jpatrick and firefox09:23
nikkiaseth, newest firefox is not in backports :P09:23
apokryphosseth_k: oh, alright09:23
nikkiaseth, newest firefox is 1.0.5, backports is 1.0.409:23
apokryphos_nova: to the site to get the source tarball09:23
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seth_k1.0.5? I thought it was already in. Fair do's :D09:23
_StarScreamhey guys, is there anyway i can run the install-configuration program after i've installed kubuntu?09:23
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_StarScreambreezy broke X (fair enough its dev) and i'm trying to get it back.09:24
jpatrickI think I'll trash my Windoze partition09:24
nikkiaseth, its a bit of a weasel tho, its only been out a few hours, it normally takes people a couple of days to package it on any distro :)09:24
apokryphos_nova: I've gotta go now, but... once  you've got the source tarball, extract it and then read the INSTALL file inside there. It will explain what you need to know09:24
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shiranyone knows  a repository with Kiso?09:24
_novathanks for everything09:24
jpatrickwhat's Kiso?09:24
shira program to open iso images09:25
seth_k_StarScream: just to reconfigure X: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg09:25
seth_k_StarScream: do an upgrade first, they released new packages09:25
jpatrickI thought so09:25
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_StarScreamseth_k, yep tried both already :)09:30
_StarScreamhasn't worked09:31
seth_k_StarScream: what error do you get?09:32
_StarScreamerm can you hang on a sec, just gotta get out of osx and reboot..09:33
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ubuntuhelp me09:36
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jpatrickubuntu itself!!!09:36
McScruffi cant log in09:37
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McScruffi cant log in error or something09:37
kalenedraelmake sure you know your pw :P09:37
McScrufflol, i know thats right09:37
kalenedraelwhat is the error, specifically?09:37
kalenedraeldid you just install kubuntu?09:38
McScruffhad it installed for weeks09:38
kalenedraeland now you can't log in?09:38
McScruffwas playing with vmware, then i went out, cae home and nothing will save09:38
McScruffso i rebooted09:38
kalenedraelnothing will save...?09:38
McScruffnow i cant log in09:38
kalenedraelwhat do you mean by that? you can't write to any file?09:39
kalenedraelcheck the permissions09:39
McScruffbut it has been working fine09:39
McScruffnow i cant log in to check them09:39
McScruffim on live cd atm09:39
McScruffis there any way to check09:40
jpatrickTried safety mode...?09:40
McScruffthats a good idea09:40
McScruffi got freaked and shoved this cd in09:40
kalenedraeli'll have to give you all the instructions09:40
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McScruffbut why would they change09:40
McScruffunless vmware got an error09:40
kalenedrael1) on bootup, in grub, press "e" to edit commands09:40
kalenedraelto edit the boot commands09:40
shirwell, another question, why klaptop don't show correct my battery status? (acer aspire 2003)09:41
kalenedrael2) edit the really long line (the one that says kernel blah blah, should be the second one), and add init=/bin/bash to the end09:41
kalenedraelthen boot09:41
kalenedraelshould give yuo a root shell09:41
kalenedraelthen you can change the root pw09:41
kalenedraelor your use pw09:41
kalenedraeland disable vmware09:42
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_StarScreamseth_k: ok, basically its failing to load the modules "fbdev" etc...09:42
McScruffok i will try that later, i need to go out again, im gonna be back later if i cant do it :)09:43
CraZy675I've installed Kubuntu, and every so often when I try to open my home folder KDE crashes and freezes, how can I fix this?09:43
_novaI'm about to make install the newest amarok following their instructions. but when I type in this: su -c "make install" and enter my password it says authentication failure.. :( What do I do?09:43
kalenedraelCraZy675, can you be more specific?09:43
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kalenedraelKDE itself crashes and freezes?09:43
kalenedraelis this a fresh install?09:44
JohnFluxHey all09:44
kalenedrael_nova, you don't use su -c in kubuntu09:44
kalenedraelyou use sudo09:44
kalenedraelsudo make install09:44
JohnFluxhow do I get the win key working please?09:44
kalenedraelthen it prompts for pw and you enter your own pw (the user pw), not the root pw, because the root pw doesn't exit09:44
CraZy675its a fresh install09:44
CraZy675and its kde that crashes09:44
kalenedraelCraZy675, odd then09:44
kalenedraelJohnFlux, what do you want the win key to do?09:45
CraZy675i'll try to crash it now to give you better details09:45
JohnFluxkalenedrael: popup the K menu09:45
kalenedraelopen up the control center09:45
_novakalenedrael: thanks! Is it a good idea to use make clean after make install?09:45
CraZy675ok its working fine at the moment09:47
kalenedrael_nova, make clean frees up some disk space but if the installed executable gets messed up (don't ask me how) then reinstalling takes longer09:47
CraZy675how do I update everything, apt-get update?09:47
kalenedraelCraZy675, sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get upgrade09:47
CraZy675ok thanks09:47
JohnFluxkalenedrael: how can I test that the keyboard layout even sees the win key?09:48
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_novaI get a GStreamer error when starting amarok? saying it couldn't find the elemen adder. It says I need some plugins for codecs but in kynaptic there's like 50 gstreamer entries09:49
kalenedraelJohnFlux, go to the control center -> regional & accessibility -> keyboard shortcuts09:50
kalenedraeland assign some random shortcut to the win key09:50
kalenedraellike win+1 or something09:50
JohnFluxkalenedrael: yeah - it does see my win key09:51
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supernixhas anyone upgraded to OpenOffice 2.0 yet ?09:54
JohnFluxsupernix: I have09:54
JohnFluxsupernix: I love it09:54
buzyoull need to use the rpms09:55
supernixI wanted to but did not know if it was safe or how to do it 09:55
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JohnFluxbuz: why?  09:55
_StarScreamseth_k: you about?09:55
buzlast i checked, the debs were hopelessly outdated09:55
JohnFluxsupernix: Although I'm switching to kile but that's something else09:55
buzfetch the tarred rpms, untar them and run09:55
buzls *rpm | (while read F; do rpm2cpio "$F" | cpio -idv "*"; done) 09:55
nikkiabuz, umm09:55
apokryphos_nova: what plugins did it tell you it would build after the ./configure ?09:56
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buzalien didnt work for me09:56
nikkiadid for me09:56
apokryphos_nova: make clean is a good idea if you want to free space, but not the best idea if you want to make uninstall after, perhaps09:56
apokryphosHi nikkia :)09:56
nikkiabuz, even ignoring alien, cpio has to be the worst choice ever09:56
nikkiaits a format older than tar itself09:56
nikkiaevening apokryphos09:57
nikkiaapokryphos: effective volume is such a terrible thing, my ears are still ringing :/09:57
apokryphosnikkia: my primary annoyance with Ubuntu for ages is that I only got output from two09:58
apokryphosnikkia: eventually found another sound card lying around, thank God ;-)09:58
nikkiaapokryphos: i was playing my bass for a bit, then hit 'play' on beep, forgetting of course, that because the bass is narrowband, i had to jack the volume about 3x beyond 'humanly bearable' :P09:58
apokryphosHeh. I used to have really bad (too much) bass from my speakers too09:59
nikkiaapokryphos: no, this setup has great bass, problem is, the bass guitar is a narrowband instrument, when you're playing it alone it has to be amplified far more than everything else to achieve the right effective volume10:00
jpatrickI don't have any sound10:00
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apokryphosnikkia: what, the rename command doesn't do it? ;-)10:01
nikkiaoh shush10:02
apokryphosBeen having fun with KDE svn today and late yesterday; some great stuff there. Great goodies in store for everyone10:03
buzmaybe you could have some fun building firefox deer park for qt?10:03
JohnFluxapokryphos: there won't be another major release for at least a year - so enjoy it ;)10:04
nikkiabuz, that is a very warped sense of fun10:04
buzfirefox qt would rock badly10:04
apokryphosJohnFlux: Heh, I'll update more regularly10:05
apokryphosmight be worth using unstable as my default account, even, if I get adventurous account10:05
seth_kbah, just missed _StarScream10:05
apokryphosunstable kde on unstable breezy; nice10:05
JohnFluxapokryphos: well the kde4 branch will be where things will be happen, and that won't be stable for ages10:05
JohnFluxapokryphos: but at the end of august we are all going to spain so expect there to be lots and lots of work done :)10:06
JohnFluxapokryphos: I personally will be working on plug-and-play - I intend to get it all working10:07
apokryphosJohnFlux: Nice :). Would have been nice to have gone to aKademy; shame I don't really have any "real-life" KDE friends to go with ;-)10:08
hussambuz: would you try compiling it?10:08
JohnFluxapokryphos: :)10:08
buzaint got the time10:08
buzmaybe next week10:08
hussambuz: I'll try it on friday.10:08
JohnFluxapokryphos: make irc friend into real life friends ;)10:08
buzfriday i'll be writing my last exam then get piss drunk10:09
apokryphosJohnFlux: the other way round is more likely :P10:09
JohnFluxbuz: what exam?10:09
hussambuz: college exams?10:09
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apokryphosJohnFlux: I like helping people (if I can), but gets annoying when someone, for example, asks me what one command is 10 times in a week ;-). Linux isn't for everyone :)10:10
buzlast for a while anyway10:10
JohnFluxapokryphos: it annoys me that you should ever have to use the command line10:10
apokryphosJohnFlux: is it too late to book? Had a sneaking idea that I'd maybe go with my brother if I was adventurous enough10:10
JohnFluxapokryphos: most of my work in kde is to make it easier to use10:10
JohnFluxapokryphos: well its mostly for kde developers10:11
apokryphosJohnFlux: I think it would be really great to be able not to :)10:11
JohnFluxapokryphos: 4 of the days are just coding10:11
apokryphosJohnFlux: but users as well, no?10:11
JohnFluxapokryphos: the other 3 days are talks about what to do 10:11
JohnFluxapokryphos: :)10:11
apokryphosDot article, as I recall, said all users were invited to come10:11
JohnFluxapokryphos: :)  It's not too late to book10:11
nikkiaJohnFlux: i hope they have the talking days first :P10:11
JohnFluxapokryphos: but you'll probably have to find your own accomodation10:12
JohnFluxnikkia: yep :)10:12
JohnFluxnikkia: :P10:12
nikkia<4 days of sollid coding> 'right this is what we want to do....' <several hundred people shout 'DOH!'>10:12
apokryphosJohnFlux: sure10:12
apokryphosIn recent news, a gathering of open source programmers have gone into the Guiness book of world records for the largest amount of people saying "doh" at a particular time..10:13
apokryphosJohnFlux: do you work on Kate? Trying to recall where I spoke to you before..10:14
apokryphosHm, or Konversation..10:15
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hussambuz: I think I only have to specify --enable-default-toolkit=qt  and --with-qtdir=/usr/share/qt3   in .mozconfig and deer park should build with qt10:15
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hussambuz: if it works. I'll upload it somwhere.10:16
JohnFluxapokryphos: konversation mostly10:18
JohnFluxapokryphos: but I have worked on kate10:18
JohnFluxapokryphos: konqueror these days10:18
JohnFluxapokryphos: or kdevelop10:18
apokryphosJohnFlux: Heh, discursive. Yeah, it was probably #konversation.. me the annoying person reporting download problem with konvi10:20
apokryphosmostly cartman, though, I believe. Anyway..10:21
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cionnewbie here10:29
cionis there a way to set up drivers for a laptop on kubuntu?10:29
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cioni'm kinda disappointed of kubuntu10:30
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jpatrickI love Kubuntu10:33
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nikkiai love this song :P10:34
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apokryphosIs [K] ubuntu that bad for laptops? Have it on one other computer here and never had probs; many seem to complain. Though admittedly more in Warty10:40
nikkiaapok, no worse than any other, really10:40
nikkiaapokryphos: knoppix perhaps includes a few more non-free wireless drivers by default, but thats about it10:40
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apokryphosYah. I guess it'll get better, as all Linux will with drivers, over time10:42
apokryphosThough setting up drivers doesn't really take me any time, while in Windows after the original installation I'd have to spend just under an hour with all the CDs10:42
nikkiaapokryphos: *shrug* i thoguht that in 1994, look where we are now :/10:42
nikkiaactually, the driver situation has improved since then, IF YOU STILL HAVE 1994 HARDWARE :P10:43
apokryphosnikkia: it's not that bad is it? My dad gave up with RedHat {somenumber} a couple of years ago originally because of driver incompatibility10:44
nikkiaapokryphos: it is that bad, if you're not using the big name hardware10:44
apokryphos..but we haven't had any problems, this year, really. And it's on 6 comps10:44
nikkiaapokryphos: the problem is, we, as geeks, tend to buy the best hardware, or that we know is 'quality', and so we tend to use a narrow subset of the hardware, a subset that tends to have the best driver support10:44
apokryphosApart from laptops, our hardware isn't big names though, really, at all. We build all of ours10:44
nikkiaapokryphos: i don't mean the badge on the front10:45
apokryphosI guess it'd be prone to that, yeah10:45
nikkiai mean the motherboard, the video card, etc10:45
apokryphosnikkia: Probably true. Been using Gigabyte 3 times rnning ;-)10:45
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nikkiaapokryphos: what i mean, is, we tend to go with nvidia, ati, we don't slap together machines with ProSavage, or Real256, or rubbish like that10:52
nikkia(that said, my laptop has prosavage, and yes, the linux support is appalling *shrug*)10:56
apokryphosSure, I can understand that.10:56
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jpatrickhello everyone11:00
jpatrickI keep getting this message: device /dev/dsp/ can't be opened (no such file......)11:01
jpatrickWhen I try to turn on my sound server11:01
jpatrickany ideas?11:03
JohnFluxjpatrick: what sound card?11:05
jpatrickSound Blaster <- I can't remember the no.11:06
jpatrickIt never worked on Linux11:06
JohnFluxjpatrick: lspci | grep audio11:06
jpatrickI can't get that |11:07
JohnFluxwhat do you mean?11:08
JohnFluxyou can't type the pipe symbol?11:08
jpatrickit's not on my keyboard11:08
jpatrickit is but it turns up as a ~11:08
JohnFluxtry the different keys to find it11:09
JohnFluxyou probably have the wrong keyboard map11:09
JohnFluxanyway, just do "lspci"  and look for the audio card11:09
jpatrickA lot of text11:09
othernoobhow do you grep the motherboard with lspci?11:09
JohnFluxothernoob: the motherboard isn't a pci device11:10
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JohnFluxothernoob: use dmesg 11:10
othernoobeh..yea..sorry..i meant dmesg ;) it's getting time for bed :/11:10
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othernoobso how'd you do it with dmesg if you don't know what kind of motherboard you have?11:12
othernoobnot that i don't know what i have..just someone earlier in #ubuntu didn't.11:13
othernoobso far the best idea i came up with is dmesg | grep detected11:14
Nextorhello. I've just installed amule and I have a problem. I cannot use the web control. Is it a common problem or only mine? (sorry for my english)11:14
jpatrickI still can't find the card...11:16
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jpatrickpnp: SB audio device quirk11:18
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supernix anyways guys and gals like I was saying I sure am interested in the OpenOffice 2.0 when will the add it to the main branch so that I can install from Synaptic ?11:21
supernixI see it in Universe11:21
othernoobwhich version supernix11:22
seth_kyou can install it from synaptic now11:22
supernixNot sure what the proper way to upgrade it since I already have 1.1.3 installed11:22
supernixI see version 2.0 11:22
othernoobis it OOo 1.9.64 ?11:22
othernoobpretty outdated..and iirc, unstable11:24
supernixYou mean is the outdated version ?11:24
supernixseth_k:  if I install it from Synaptic will it upgrade the packages I already have ?11:25
seth_ksupernix: 1.1.3 does not conflict 2.0. They would both be installed simultaneously11:25
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othernoobyea, and it'd be quite a waste of space since the formats arent compatible.11:26
supernixOk anyway to tell KDE to use it instead of 1.1.3 ?11:27
othernoobdont know, uninstalled it right away ;)11:27
supernixwhat formats are not compatible othernoob  ?11:28
othernoobthe OOo2 -> OOo1.1311:29
othernoobnot sure if OOo1.1.3 can be used by OOo211:29
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othernoobanyway, get a more uptodate deb file from here http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/11:30
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othernoobyou won't be happy with .7911:30
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othernoobor compile it yourself ;) would only take about ~6-7hours on a P4 3.2 1GB ddr11:32
gdhit's not much faster to load :)11:32
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othernoobheh..that depends on your connection ;)11:32
gdhI mean to load once it's a series of compiled binaries in /usr/bin11:33
othernooboh..that's what you meant ;)11:33
gdhI'll happily do bandwidth pen0r ratings tho :)11:33
gdhI can download the whole of the internet and internet2 before I even start, etc.11:34
othernoobyou wanna trade connections or somthing? :D11:34
gdhand I send it all to /dev/null just because I can :)11:34
gdhmind, that's probably the best place for most of it.11:34
othernoobsure, just keep the porn :p11:35
jpatrickSome here know what Crossfire is?11:38
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othernoobsomething you better not end up in?11:38
supernixGOD 6-7 hours on a p4 to compile11:39
jpatrickI saw it in Kynaptic11:39
supernixThat sure does seem like a long time11:39
jpatrickothernoob: LOL11:39
supernixothernoob: what problems did you have with the .79 version that made you uninstall so quickly11:40
supernixpretty large file 101mb11:41
othernoobit crashed when i wanted to print. couldnt recover the file i just created. couldn't open files i had created with a lower version before on FC3. crashed when i wanted to save. crashed when i wanted to open a new file. crashed when i copied lines from another txt file into it......11:41
othernoobit crashed when i added a picture to the text...11:42
othernoobit was useless11:42
The_Voxanybody seen firefox 1.0.5 debs yet anywhere?11:42
othernoobsupernix it wouldn't be smaller if you got it via kynaptic ;)11:42
supernixwow I don't blame you there I would uninstall as well. I did try OO 1.9.76 on XP and it worked great. thought I might have the same experience on Linux as well11:45
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othernoobyea i was going to compile it then, but found the site i gave you.11:51
othernooband 15 mins downloading seemed a better deal ;)11:51
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TestMADnoob in serious need of help here11:59
TestMADi got the nvidia drivers i need burnt to a cd.11:59
TestMADand it says i need to be logged in as root to install them11:59
TestMADwhat do i do?11:59
crimsunuse sudo11:59
uboturootsudo is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo12:00
TestMADiok..will try that12:01
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TestMADi didnt think it was going to be so hard to install nvidia drivers12:02
TestMADi gots a headache12:02
TestMADbrb..hoopefully it works12:02
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