[12:03] <chris12349> try typing "I can't play mp3s" ubuntu
[12:03] <chris12349> in google
[12:04] <jeanluc> dammit
[12:04] <jeanluc> can you get to the first link?
[12:04] <chris12349> sure
[12:04] <jeanluc> I can;t
[12:05] <jeanluc> its down
[12:05] <spermie_411> i need some help i got the cedega.tgz file on my desktop but im not sure how to install it?
[12:06] <jeanluc> google it
[12:06] <jeanluc> thats there answer for everthing
[12:06] <spermie_411> =(
[12:06] <spermie_411> google isnt good at explaining
[12:07] <spermie_411> just finding
[12:07] <chris12349> um yeah it is
[12:07] <chris12349> ask your question in quotes. its great
[12:07] <apokryphos> Quotes for a phrase search
[12:07] <apokryphos> very handy
[12:08] <jeanluc> ok
[12:08] <jeanluc> all the link  pertatianing to mp3 in ubuntu
[12:08] <jeanluc> are down
[12:08] <jeanluc> "I can't play mp3s" ubuntu
[12:08] <jeanluc> so please
[12:08] <jeanluc> guide me
[12:08] <apokryphos> jeanluc: have you tried playing mp3s in other mp3 players?
[12:08] <jeanluc> yes
[12:08] <jeanluc> bmp
[12:08] <apokryphos> and they all don't work?
[12:08] <jeanluc> xmms
[12:08] <jeanluc> yes
[12:08] <jeanluc> none
[12:09] <jeanluc> but .wav
[12:09] <apokryphos> for bmp you need gstreamer0.8-mad I believe
[12:09] <jeanluc> and stuff do
[12:09] <apokryphos> did you install that first?
[12:09] <jeanluc> I dloaded gstreamer
[12:09] <jeanluc> mad
[12:09] <apokryphos> type sudo alsamixer... can you just verify that Main and PCM are up
[12:10] <jeanluc> ya
[12:10] <jeanluc> there up
[12:10] <jeanluc> in green
[12:10] <apokryphos> And if you're not getting mp3 player output then it's not really a #kubuntu issue
[12:10] <jeanluc> im in #kubuntu
[12:10] <apokryphos> exactly
[12:11] <jeanluc> so what
[12:11] <apokryphos> If it's not working in others too, you're likely to have more luck in #ubuntu
[12:11] <jeanluc> #ubuntu
[12:14] <nikkia> jeanluc, as i told you earlier, its because you probably have the output set to the wrong plugin, and arts is blocking access to the sound card
[12:14] <nikkia> either setup arts as the output plugin for your media player(s), or configure dmix, the choice is yours
[12:14] <apokryphos> nikkia: wouldn't it refuse to play at all, rather than give no sound output in that case?
[12:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, i've seen it do both
[12:15] <apokryphos> Seems odd that he can play other audio types...
[12:15] <jeanluc> I can play mp3
[12:15] <jeanluc> just no sound
[12:15] <jeanluc> no errors
[12:15] <jeanluc> but no sound
[12:15] <chris12349> you did unmute in alsaconf right?
[12:16] <jeanluc> how do you do that
[12:16] <chris12349> actually if you can hear sound in other apps that probably isn't it
[12:16] <jeanluc> ok in beep
[12:16] <jeanluc> its says out put plugin is also 0.9.7
[12:16] <jeanluc> alsa*
[12:17] <nikkia> jeanluc, try 'artsplay some_mp3_file.mp3' from the command line, where 'some_mp3_file.mp3' is the filename for a mp3 file in the directory you're in
[12:18] <spermie_411> anyone in here use cedega??
[12:18] <chris12349> yeah
[12:19] <spermie_411> you have the .deb file for cedega?
[12:19] <chris12349> no they have an autopackage or something 
[12:19] <chris12349> ahh
[12:19] <chris12349> but you have to subscribe... I get it now ;)
[12:20] <jeanluc> nothing happens
[12:20] <spermie_411> cheap <~~ trade ya something for it ;-)
[12:21] <jeanluc> I have tried mp3's in every media player and installed gstreamer mad but no mp3s is working but .wav works so can some one help me play mp3
[12:22] <nikkia> it really agrevates me, wtf are we still walking newbies thru the same sound configuration nightmare that we had to walk them thru in 2000 ?
[12:22] <apokryphos> jeanluc: evidently people have tried to help you; evidently, this isn't really the channel for it anyhow
[12:22] <nikkia> why can't alsa enable dmix if it detects that the sound hw doesn't support multi-client ?
[12:22] <apokryphos> nikkia: I critisize the process, and yet it's so irresistable :P
[12:23] <apokryphos> Makes me almost like Windoze
[12:23] <nikkia> so little hw supports multi-client anyway, just enable dmix, and let people turn it off, ffs
[12:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: lets not even get on the 'support mixed sample rates when they clearly don't work' issue :P
[12:25] <nikkia> i thought the whole point of alsa was 'OSS is broken, lets do something that works' not 'lets recreate the nightmare with a different twist'
[12:26] <apokryphos> the poor sound guys get critisized a lot, poor fellows. Suffice it to say the guys at aRts must have got a lot of grief
[12:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: i question the whole point of 'sound servers' anyway
[12:26] <nikkia> they just annoy people, and get in the way
[12:27] <jeanluc> ya
[12:27] <jeanluc> it really annoys me
[12:27] <jeanluc> only thing I miss from windows
[12:27] <nikkia> (yes, i know, arts does far more than just interface to the sound hardware, but still, do we need it as 'a sound server' ?
[12:27] <jeanluc> is mp3
[12:28] <jeanluc> well
[12:28] <jeanluc> I can always resort to using
[12:28] <apokryphos> nikkia: isn't it still officially undeveloped now?
[12:28] <jeanluc> an
[12:28] <jeanluc> eek
[12:28] <jeanluc> stereo
[12:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: arts? i don't think so
[12:28] <apokryphos> Only thing I miss from Windoze is... viruses
[12:28] <jeanluc> I miss mp3
[12:28] <aseigo> nikkia: yes, such a thing tends to be needed
[12:29] <nikkia> aseigo: based on what?
[12:29] <aseigo> nikkia: we need codecs to decode media, we need a way to mix audio on the fly both locally and remotely
[12:29] <apokryphos> nikkia: hm, maybe it was just the original author of it
[12:29] <nikkia> aseigo: no, mixing on the fly should be the domain of the sound drivers
[12:30] <jeanluc> ok well im out for a while
[12:30] <aseigo> nikkia: *cough*portability*cough*
[12:30] <jeanluc> tty and thanks for help
[12:30] <nikkia> aseigo: as for decoding media and handling local and remote audio, nothing there demands something that blocks all other audio access
[12:30] <aseigo> nikkia: as soon as there is a single driver spec that does that across the domain of OSes we support, hell ya!
[12:30] <aseigo> nikkia: that still leaves us with codecs and such things
[12:31] <aseigo> if your card supports hardware mixing, the audioserver shouldn't block
[12:31] <aseigo> if your card doesn't support hardware mixing, you need the software to do it
[12:31] <nikkia> aseigo: maybe you missed when i said 'hardly any (consumer) hw supports multi-card (at the hardware level)'
[12:32] <aseigo> right.. which is why we have sound servers ...
[12:32] <nikkia> aseigo: which end up blocking, because there are 300 different audio access methods in use
[12:32] <aseigo> which is why in kde4 we're going to pick one that's in use by more than just us
[12:32] <aseigo> that was, actually, the hope with arts except the rest of the world is full of NIH
[12:32] <nikkia> i run a gtk/gnome app, oh sorry, arts is blocking esd, i run a non-gnome/non-kde app, oh, sorry arts is blocking alsa/oss  and so on
[12:33] <aseigo> remember back when we DIDN'T have sound servers as the status quo?
[12:33] <nikkia> aseigo: you mean the OSS days? OSS was broken from day 1
[12:33] <aseigo> and to have sound come from cdp you had to QUIT xmms?
[12:33] <nikkia> heck, it was broken on sunos where /dev/dsp was stolen from :)
[12:33] <aseigo> nikkia:re: the arts blocking ... two things: for now there is artsdsp
[12:34] <aseigo> second: i'm sure you caught the bit where i said we're attempting to address this in kde4?
[12:34] <nikkia> aseigo: i've never gotten anything but broken up spluttery audio out of artsdsp
[12:34] <aseigo> that's unfortunate
[12:34] <nikkia> and java especially doesn't like being wrapped
[12:35] <nikkia> no matter if you use artsdsp or aoss, the CPU usage pegs at max
[12:35] <aseigo> how fast is your cpu?
[12:35] <nikkia> 2.8GHz
[12:35] <aseigo> heh.. ok, that's wildly wrong
[12:37] <apokryphos> pretty interesting article: http://www.arts-project.org/doc/arts-maintenance.html
[12:37] <nikkia> btw, i hope to god when you say 'address it in kde4' you don't mean 'use JACK'
[12:37] <aseigo> no, because jack doesn't do what we need
[12:37] <nikkia> yeah, it also doesn't work without using the artsd output plugin here :/
[12:39] <fromoze> hi,  kde4 will use gstreamer, no?
[12:39] <fromoze> I'm courious about that :)
[12:39] <aseigo> it might
[12:39] <aseigo> gstreamer and nmm seem to be the two most likely contenders at this point
[12:40] <aseigo> either way, it will just be the "default" engine
[12:40] <apokryphos> is aRts developed at the moment?
[12:40] <aseigo> most applications will simply use the kde audio classes for doing the basics which will then feed into a given back end
[12:40] <fromoze> Yeah, the flexible kde-way :)
[12:40] <aseigo> apokryphos: no
[12:40] <aseigo> which will allow us to have a recommended configuration, but also allow people to swap things out easily if they need/want to
[12:41] <aseigo> including us ;)
[12:41] <apokryphos> so how do you like kubuntu aseigo? Been using it long? :)
[12:41] <apokryphos> aseigo: sudo is the way to go, remember ;-)
[12:41] <aseigo> haha. oh god not that conversation again! ;)
[12:41] <aseigo> um.. i've been using it for a couple months i guess
[12:42] <aseigo> not long.
[12:42] <aseigo> i'm still using suse as my primary desktop .. kubuntu is for a work project really
[12:42] <fromoze> I like gstreamer, It'll make easier the distribution without pripietary-codecs and the instalation to the users
[12:42] <aseigo> oooh.. we should alias kde-config --version to winver ;)
[12:43] <apokryphos> Note: These instructions do not apply to Apple Macintosh computers
[12:43] <nikkia> aseigo: surely the problem is going to be that with kde4 we'll have the requirement for the NEW sound server running, plus artsd for those kde3 apps that haven't been updated, plus esd for those gnome apps we occasionally use, plus alsa configured with dmix and oss compatibility for those obscure apps like java and such that won't talk to anything less than 15 years old?
[12:43] <apokryphos> I wonder if it works on Linux...
[12:43] <othernoob> nikkia are you familiar with printing problems?
[12:43] <fromoze> Suse is the main distro between kde deloppers finally :/
[12:43] <nikkia> othernoob: not really
[12:44] <apokryphos> no idea what the traffic is really like, but it seems to me like people are straying from SuSE
[12:44] <aseigo> nikkia: so we shouldn't move forward and fix things because the old way is broken?
[12:44] <aseigo> nikkia: or are you just pissy about audio
[12:44] <nikkia> aseigo: well, it just seems like each time, it gets worse
[12:45] <aseigo> nikkia: so let me ask you then. what would be a good and realistic solution.
[12:45] <McScruff> what is the best sound server?
[12:45] <crimsun> avoid a sound server period.
[12:45] <aseigo> McScruff: which ever one we pick in kde4 ;)
[12:45] <aseigo> crimsun: you must've skipped over the "realistic" bit
[12:45] <crimsun> alsa has a library-level dmix hack.
[12:45] <nikkia> aseigo: if things are to be fixed, they should be fixed *system wide* not in a tiny corner of the system at a time
[12:45] <fromoze> McScruff: a multi-channel soundcard ?
[12:46] <othernoob> i have a b/w laser printer and a pdf with a tiny little bit of colour in it. and it won't print it :/
[12:46] <aseigo> nikkia: i'll explain it again for you:
[12:46] <othernoob> it prints everything else just fine
[12:46] <crimsun> aseigo: so did gstreamer, arts, nas, and polypaudio.
[12:46] <aseigo> by having a kde audio layer, the majority of kde apps won't care what's under it
[12:46] <aseigo> by providing a recommened audio engine that we pick from the current stable of worthy, actively developed audio systems out there today we begin to see the way forward to creating a standard
[12:47] <fromoze> dmix do the sound mix? I think it only works by hardware mix, no?
[12:47] <crimsun> fromoze: dmix doesn't care about the hardware.
[12:47] <aseigo> crimsun: what's your point exactly? we cant rely on alsa, if that's your thought
[12:47] <nikkia> fromoze: no, dmix is software mixing, its for when you don't have hardware mixing
[12:47] <crimsun> aseigo: there is no adequate solution.
[12:48] <aseigo> crimsun: again, you're missing the "realistic" bit
[12:48] <aseigo> crimsun: since we can't ship a silent kde, we have to find something that is as good as possible
[12:48] <fromoze> I try to use dmix on a integrated soundcard and It doesn't works... well, it was on year 2003 XD
[12:48] <crimsun> aseigo: and what, praytell, is that? that automatically rules out esound, arts, nas, and polypaudio.
[12:49] <aseigo> i know a lot of people are pissy about audio (despite arts haven gotten fairly decent at the end here), but it gets a bit tiresome to hear the goth-teenager attitude "it all sucks. why bother."
[12:49] <crimsun> aseigo: I do alsa. I know it sucks. Tell me what's better.
[12:49] <aseigo> crimsun: woah! and that list didn't include EITHER of the ones i mentioned earlier! imagine that!
[12:49] <nikkia> aseigo: you think i'm a goth teenager? i'm impressed
[12:50] <crimsun> (for that matter, I'm not a goth teenager either ;)
[12:50] <aseigo> nikkia: no, it's just the sad depressive attitude that doesn't lead to solutions =)
[12:50] <nikkia> aseigo, no, the attitude that doesn't lead to solutions is 'we'll fix it in our project, rest of the software universe be damned', which is what has happened every other time
[12:50] <aseigo> nikkia: the "if we fix it, it'll suck for all the old apps" concept is a good example of that.
[12:51] <aseigo> nikkia: if we can't win in your mind, well, that's unfortunate. the best we can do is to avoid the same mistakes in the future and provide a better experience then
[12:51] <aseigo> nikkia: you really aren't reading what i'm writing at all are you?
[12:51] <nikkia> asegio, it needs to be fixed at the system-wide level, it needs the co-operation of the alsa people, the freebsd people, etc etc
[12:51] <aseigo> nikkia: i've explained it twice now.
[12:51] <fromoze> The problem about mixing for me is that now a soundcard with multi-channel is really expensive (>80). I really love my old soundblaster live! nowdays, most of the soundcards are f** win-soundcards :(
[12:51] <aseigo> well fine, when they get their act together, what a frabjous day it will be
[12:52] <aseigo> and then we'll just have to get the hardware people on board and then we only have codecs and network trasnparency to deal with!
[12:52] <crimsun> um, there isn't very much push from the non-Linux side for ALSA, I'm afraid.
[12:52] <aseigo> of course not
[12:52] <aseigo> so... REALISTICALLY we need/want something that: provides codecs, mixing and network trans of some sort and that is portable
[12:53] <aseigo> we could bitch and moan about it, but that won't bring linux and bsd closer together.. 
[12:53] <aseigo> hell, it won't even get the linux audio up to where we need it to be =)
[12:53] <crimsun> I'm not arguing to bring Linux and *BSD closer.
[12:53] <nikkia> aseigo: i fail to see why all those have to be in one package
[12:54] <aseigo> our job is to get a desktop evnironment out that allows you to play sound
[12:54] <aseigo> nikkia: they don't, but the total solution needs to cover those bases
[12:54] <crimsun> frankly, that's overextending imo
[12:54] <aseigo> overextending?
[12:54] <aseigo> heh
[12:55] <crimsun> network sound is a great _idea_
[12:55] <aseigo> which part is overextending exactly?
[12:55] <aseigo> and used in thin client computing.
[12:55] <aseigo> and NMM has shown it to be pretty doable
[12:55] <tommy> hi I'm not able to play mp3's with mpg123 or mpg321 what mistake I do?
[12:56] <crimsun> and NMM layers on what?
[12:56] <crimsun> (I'm not arguing; I'm interested)
[12:57] <wdsl> Hi,
[12:57] <aseigo> crimsun: on top of whatever the underlying OS provides
[12:57] <crimsun> tommy: I presume you're using arts in a default Kubuntu?
[12:57] <tommy> exactly
[12:58] <aseigo> hrm. their web server seems to be down atm
[12:58] <crimsun> tommy: you could use artsdsp if I remember correctly
[12:59] <crimsun> artsdsp mpg123 ...
[12:59] <nikkia> there's a version of mpg123 out there that can output directly to arts
[12:59] <crimsun> or simply set the timeout-and-release to a shorter idle period
[12:59] <nikkia> i doubt its packaged tho
[01:00] <tommy> I don't think is audio mistake...it says "no such file or directory" :=(
[01:00] <crimsun> aseigo: I presume you mean the one based in Saarland?
[01:02] <wdsl> do anyone know kanotix and the radeon-installer.sh? is there a simialar thing in ubuntu?
[01:03] <tommy> I go with shell in the directory of files...
[01:13] <fromoze> Once I read about a blogger cliente on kontact, but I can't find moer info about on the net. Some one has info about?
[01:17] <jeanluc> w00t w00t
[01:20] <FractuS> this is only in english?
[01:20] <uniq> hi fractus. yes, this channel is english.
[01:22] <othernoob> would anyone happen to know how to print coloured pdfs in black/white?
[01:22] <fromoze> there's kubuntu-es if you prefer spanish :)
[01:22] <FractuS> fromoze: thats rigth thnks
[01:24] <FractuS> othernoob: yo want no colors?
[01:25] <othernoob> FractuS: yes
[01:27] <FractuS> othernoob: well in the postscript driver conf you change to print in gray scale
[01:27] <othernoob> FractuS: where do i find that?
[01:28] <FractuS> othernoob: humm ex: in the print dialog (any app) you click on advanced or properties of printer. then choose te option 
[01:29] <othernoob> FractuS: i don't find that option in kpdf
[01:33] <_ubuntu> muh
[01:38] <wdsl> did anyone know where i can get my kernel sources?
[01:38] <crimsun> wdsl: linux-source-2.6.10
[01:39] <wdsl> a thx
[01:46] <FractuS> othernoob: waith
[01:49] <othernoob> yes?
[01:53] <FractuS> othernoob: :S sorry i'm no have that app-  simply find a printer controler (spool controler) and find the options
[01:53] <othernoob> FractuS: do you know how to print with xpdf using cups?
[01:56] <FractuS> othernoob: it uses lpr backend uh!.. it sends the buffer direct to printer :S 
[01:57] <othernoob> shouldn't it be possible to use cups as well?
[01:59] <FractuS> cups = Common Unix Printer Server
[02:00] <othernoob> i know
[02:00] <FractuS> humm if cups is not runnig you dont print any file [sorry by my english] 
[02:04] <FractuS> othernoob: remove the colour cartigre
[02:04] <FractuS> ;)
[02:04] <othernoob> FractuS: it's a b/w laser printer
[02:05] <ep> An app I want depends on  libcurl3(>= 7.13.0-1) and libcurl3-dev(>= 7.13.0-1).  Is this package available for kubuntu?
[02:06] <FractuS> sorry find logs in email lists
[02:07] <FractuS> ep: you try to know wath's the main package that content it next download and install it
[02:08] <ep> FractuS, I don't understand that sentence.  What is "wath's"
[02:11] <FractuS> ep: find the main package that contents libcurl3 and libcurl3-dev  .. try in http://rpmfind.net  next find a .deb version
[02:12] <ep> ok I'll see what i can do, thanks
[02:14] <FractuS> todo bien
[02:32] <FractuS> this chann do not move :S
[02:39] <McScruff> what do you need to compile amsn
[02:39] <seth_k> it's in synaptic... why compile it?
[02:39] <seth_k> newer version?
[02:40] <McScruff> i want the cvs
[02:40] <McScruff> has webcam :)
[02:40] <seth_k> :)
[02:40] <seth_k> sudo apt-get build-dep amsn
[02:40] <seth_k> that command pulls in all dependencies needed for compilation :)
[02:40] <McScruff> oooo
[02:40] <seth_k> looks like 38, 6.8 MB
[02:44] <seth_k> Ubuntu pwns so hard
[02:44] <seth_k> am trying to fix this Windows box
[02:44] <seth_k> and I can't even reinstall Windows, it's so messed up
[02:44] <PenguinBoy> hey hey hey geeks, nerds, and Linux gurus
[02:44] <seth_k> but a Warty LiveCD boots quite happily
[03:02] <seth_k> http://support.invisionfree.com/index.php?showtopic=99064&st=15&#entry2220256
[03:02] <seth_k> bah, wrong channel
[03:15] <sproingie> argh.  kpdf is broken after upgrading to 3.4.1
[03:15] <sproingie> doesn't show any text, just occasional symbols
[03:15] <FractuS> download Acrobat Reader 7.0 
[03:16] <sproingie> for amd64?
[03:16] <sproingie> it wasn't broken until the last upgrade
[03:18] <FractuS> :O dont worry, you download the tgz and then you $sudo alien acroread-7***** it's all
[03:18] <sproingie> for amd64.  how nice that they make it for amd64
[03:18] <sproingie> because last time i used the 32 bit reader, it simply crashed immediately
[03:18] <sproingie> guess i'll ask on #kde
[03:18] <FractuS> sproingie: your kernel runs ok?
[03:19] <sproingie> this is not helping the kpdf situation
[03:19] <seth_k> reinstall kpdf? I've never had an issue :/
[03:20] <seth_k> is there a newer version in Breezy? John could backport it for you; he has an AMD64
[03:20] <FractuS> jeje.. sure.. erase dir $HOME./kde/apps/config/kpdf <- i'not complety sure that directory
[03:20] <thomas> any body here
[03:20] <seth_k> yes, 64 of us
[03:20] <seth_k> well, 63. One's a bot.
[03:21] <seth_k> :D
[03:21] <thomas> guy's how to lock control center ?
[03:21] <thomas> any software out of there ?
[03:22] <FractuS> if you erase the first conf of that app and it does not solve your problem propably you need to recompile it! :D
[03:22] <FractuS> thomas: kontrolcenter?
[03:22] <seth_k> lock it? you have to use your password to change things in it anyways...
[03:23] <thomas> ?
[03:23] <thomas> ok seth_, and hot to prefent user from change wallpaper ?
[03:24] <McScruff> umount: /Storage: device is busy - how can i unbusy it
[03:24] <thomas> have searching on kde.org and nothing found
[03:25] <supernix> HELP
[03:25] <supernix> HELP
[03:25] <supernix> I still can't get any answers on how to play Midi files I tried Kmid and that was a no go
[03:25] <seth_k> McScruff: end any programs using it
[03:26] <McScruff> ii dont know what is
[03:26] <supernix> I installed Timidity and that is command line driven
[03:26] <seth_k> thomas: you are trying to make some sort of kiosk?
[03:26] <seth_k> thomas: http://jriddell.org/programs/kiosk-article.html
[03:27] <FractuS> supernix: probably your sound card needs a other module run in the kernel <- i'm not sure
[03:27] <McScruff> how do i format a hdd
[03:28] <aseigo> seth_k: kiosk ROCKS
[03:28] <seth_k> aseigo: word, hence I promote it
[03:29] <aseigo> seth_k: i'm actually doing a workshop on it at akademy this year; did one here in calgary a couple weeks ago
[03:29] <aseigo> seth_k: never fails to blow people away =)
[03:29] <seth_k> haha, excellent
[03:30] <aseigo> seth_k: where abouts are you locatd?
[03:31] <seth_k> aseigo: Missouri, USA
[03:32] <FractuS> me: Pereira, Colombia
[03:32] <aseigo> much open source happening in your areas?
[03:32] <aseigo> and, just because i have a particular interest in it, KDE?
[03:32] <seth_k> KDE is my interest too
[03:33] <seth_k> but not terribly much so, no :(
[03:33] <sproingie> blowing away kpdf settings and reinstalling kpdf didnt help
[03:33] <seth_k> am looking into starting a LUG at my uni
[03:33] <seth_k> and have been handing out Ubuntu CDs like mad ;)
[03:33] <aseigo> sproingie: what are you hoping to accomplish?
[03:33] <aseigo> seth_k: nice
[03:33] <seth_k> his kpdk keeps crashing
[03:33] <aseigo> sproingie: backtrace?
[03:33] <seth_k> s/kpdk/kpdf
[03:33] <sproingie> it doesn't crash
[03:34] <sproingie> it just doesn't display most of the doc
[03:34] <sproingie> blank space where text should be
[03:34] <seth_k> oh right
[03:34] <aseigo> oh ... that's not good =/
[03:34] <aseigo> (to state the bleeding obvious)
[03:34] <sproingie> kghostview renders it fine
[03:34] <sproingie> but i can't search in it
[03:34] <aseigo> sproingie: is this a pdf or a ps file?
[03:35] <sproingie> aseigo: pdf
[03:35] <aseigo> sproingie: is it a publicly available pdf, that i could test?
[03:35] <sproingie> hey acroread actually works on my system now, so there's a possibility
[03:35] <sproingie> aseigo: sure, lemme find the filename
[03:35] <aseigo> sproingie: great =)
[03:35] <sproingie> 25366616.pdf google for it
[03:35] <sproingie> it's an intel reference manual
[03:37] <McScruff> how can i format a storage hdd
[03:37] <sproingie> ftp://download.intel.com/design/Pentium4/manuals/25366616.pdf
[03:37] <FractuS> sproingie: me compile them on mi machine v7.0 last version and works OK
[03:38] <seth_k> 537 / 640 MB
[03:38] <seth_k> come to me, hoary liveCD
[03:38] <McScruff> i got the printed discs :)
[03:38] <McScruff> live and install ones
[03:38] <McScruff> ooo
[03:39] <seth_k> :( mine haven't come yet
[03:39] <seth_k> dunno why
[03:39] <seth_k> seems like everyone else's have :P
[03:39] <aseigo> sproingie: well, it works here with svn trunk =)
[03:40] <IceDC571> is kynaptic based on apt-get or aptitude?
[03:40] <McScruff> i took it off someone who came into college with a load
[03:40] <seth_k> they're all based off the apt libraries
[03:40] <aseigo> IceDC571: synaptic
[03:40] <sproingie> aseigo: *sigh* ... maybe if i run kpdf from commandline i'll get interesting output
[03:40] <aseigo> IceDC571: and it uses apt-get in the back end
[03:41] <IceDC571> hmm.. does kynaptic offer any purge-like options?
[03:41] <McScruff> what tool cn i use to format this fuckin fat32 hdd
[03:41] <sproingie> lot of lines like this:
[03:41] <sproingie> couldn't open fontconfigs chosen font with Xft!!!
[03:41] <aseigo> MCCPicky: mkfs
[03:41] <sproingie> though i get that on a lot of apps, and it's usually harmless
[03:41] <IceDC571> McScruff: qparted
[03:41] <IceDC571> or is it qtparted?
[03:41] <aseigo> FractuS: see ya
[03:42] <IceDC571> bye FractuS 
[03:42] <FractuS> ;)
[03:42] <McScruff> ty
[03:43] <sproingie> the print preview in kpdf works fine tho
[03:43] <sproingie> looks like print preview == kghostview
[03:43] <IceDC571> does anyone ever try 'sudo kate filename' in the terminal? it always crashes for me. is there something else i should use?
[03:44] <aseigo> IceDC571: kdesu
[03:44] <aseigo> IceDC571: in fact.. do this:
[03:44] <seth_k> yeah, I actually bugreported that back in the day. Turns out KDE apps aren't to be used with sudo
[03:44] <seth_k> so kdesu is your friend
[03:45] <aseigo> IceDC571: alt+f2 (brings up the run dialog), kate filename, alt+o (for options), alt-u (for run as different user) throw in the password, hit enter
[03:45] <aseigo> IceDC571: tres nice
[03:45] <IceDC571> hmm.. i never heard of kdesu
[03:45] <IceDC571> !info kdesu
[03:45] <aseigo> IceDC571: and if you do that a lot, you can make an entry on your panel or the desktop for that
[03:45] <IceDC571> i guess its not a package
[03:45] <seth_k> we don't have ubotu here
[03:45] <IceDC571> seth_k: yeah we do :)
[03:45] <seth_k> try that in #ubuntu
[03:46] <seth_k> whoa
[03:46] <seth_k> ubotu is here now
[03:46] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, seth_k
[03:46] <seth_k> hehe
[03:46] <crimsun> ubotu doesn't listen in here
[03:46] <aseigo> no, it's in libs/base
[03:46] <ubotu> I don't know, crimsun
[03:46] <crimsun> he's a bit loony
[03:46] <aseigo> a bit yes
[03:46] <IceDC571> sure...
[03:46] <IceDC571> !info kde
[03:46] <ubotu> kde: (The K Desktop Environment), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 5:42ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
[03:46] <crimsun> see?
[03:46] <crimsun> :p
[03:46] <IceDC571> now whos saying ubotu doesnt listen?? hah
[03:46] <liz4rd> !info my_bum
[03:46] <liz4rd> dam
[03:46] <crimsun> no abusing the bot
[03:46] <liz4rd> LOL
[03:47] <liz4rd> i abused it with my_bum XD
[03:47] <seth_k> rolleye
[03:47] <IceDC571> hmm.. i wonder why kde 3.4.1 never made the official repos?
[03:47] <liz4rd> seth_k: DO YOU HAVE NO EMOTION!!!
[03:47] <crimsun> because it came out after we froze
[03:48] <IceDC571> ohh and i guess the repos people are picky about what to update in there
[03:48] <liz4rd> nothing really, you?
[03:48] <crimsun> for hoary or hoary-updates?
[03:48] <IceDC571> both
[03:49] <crimsun> nothing will go into hoary period. hoary-updates is a slim possibility.
[03:49] <IceDC571> crimsun: i see, i never noticed that
[03:50] <IceDC571> crimsun: i look at the official debian repos and they seem to have most of the latest packages.. but i installed kde and they only got ver 3.2, strange
[03:50] <crimsun> sarge shipped with 3.3.x iirc
[03:51] <IceDC571> yeah it was somewhere around there
[03:51] <crimsun> yep, 3.3.2ish
[03:51] <crimsun> and 3.4.1 is in experimental
[03:52] <IceDC571> yeah i was running main, testing, unstable, contrib
[03:52] <IceDC571> then i switched back to ubuntu because it took forever to configure my system under debian
[03:52] <IceDC571> it took the whole day to make my system work like the default settings in kubuntu
[03:53] <IceDC571> then i noticed debian only had xfree86 instead of xorg
[03:54] <crimsun> Debian's XFree86 is solid
[03:54] <seth_k> xorg just entered unstable
[03:54] <seth_k> albeit pretty broken still
[04:56] <seth_k> hmm, question. My Kubuntu laptop is great about opening files from an sftp connection directly, and editing live. On my Kubuntu desktop, same setup, it insists on downloading a local copy of the file, and only re-uploading once I close the program. Any ideas?
[05:35] <etistakilla> every executable file I download won't run.... "cannot execute binary file" could someone please help?
[05:41] <seth_k> etistakilla: there are few linux executables you can download
[05:41] <seth_k> what are you trying to run?
[05:44] <IceDC571> !info locales
[05:44] <ubotu> locales: (GNU C Library: National Language (locale) data [support] ), section base, is standard. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 (hoary), Packaged size: 3105 kB, Installed size: 10384 kB
[05:44] <IceDC571> !info ubuntu-base
[05:44] <ubotu> ubuntu-base: (The Ubuntu base system), section base, is optional. Version: 0.43 (hoary), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
[06:01] <etistakilla> im trying to run RAR
[06:05] <dinocore> i like kubuntu
[06:06] <crimsun> well I like kubun, too
[06:06] <seth_k> etistakilla: where did you get it?
[06:06] <etistakilla> the os?
[06:07] <seth_k> no, rar
[06:07] <etistakilla> from rarsoft.com
[06:07] <seth_k> there's your first issue
[06:07] <seth_k> you need to use apt and get it from there
[06:07] <etistakilla> that doesnt work
[06:07] <arcanistherogue> y helo thar
[06:08] <arcanistherogue> hey guys, i have a question about the panels
[06:08] <seth_k> why doesn't unrar-nonfree work
[06:08] <seth_k> !info unrar-nonfree
[06:08] <ubotu> unrar-nonfree: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section multiverse/utils, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 208 kB
[06:08] <etistakilla> one sec
[06:08] <seth_k> arcanistherogue: just jump in and ask
[06:09] <arcanistherogue> k
[06:09] <arcanistherogue> how do i make them opaque, not fully transparent?
[06:10] <kalenedrael> panels, hmm
[06:10] <arcanistherogue> and how do i remove those little ridgy things on the left of an applet when you hover over it? 
[06:10] <kalenedrael> go to the control center
[06:10] <arcanistherogue> k
[06:10] <kalenedrael> the little ridgy things?
[06:10] <arcanistherogue> yeah
[06:10] <arcanistherogue> hover over the trash or something
[06:10] <kalenedrael> oh, the handles, i don't think you can remove them
[06:10] <arcanistherogue> oh ok
[06:10] <arcanistherogue> so im in the control center
[06:11] <seth_k> no, you can remove the handles
[06:11] <arcanistherogue> how so?
[06:11] <seth_k> right click panel > configure panel > Appearance > Advanced Options > Hide
[06:11] <kalenedrael> go to desktop -> panels
[06:11] <kalenedrael> appearance
[06:12] <arcanistherogue> oh ok
[06:12] <arcanistherogue> i got the panels away, now for this
[06:12] <kalenedrael> in the transparency section go to "advanced options"
[06:12] <arcanistherogue> yeah?
[06:13] <kalenedrael> yeah, should be self-explanatory
[06:13] <arcanistherogue> tint amount?
[06:13] <arcanistherogue> k
[06:13] <arcanistherogue> thanks alot 
[06:14] <seth_k> etistakilla: just talk here, not in PM
[06:14] <seth_k> etistakilla: sudo aptitude install unrar-nonfree
[06:14] <etistakilla> aight
[06:14] <etistakilla> thanks man
[06:14] <seth_k> no problem
[06:15] <arcanistherogue> wow thanks alot guys this is nifty
[06:15] <arcanistherogue> say guys, is there any books that you reccomend i could pick up about linux tolearn the basic things?
[06:17] <arcanistherogue> afl
[06:17] <arcanistherogue> *afk
[06:19] <seth_k> books never seemed like a good option to me
[06:19] <seth_k> internet is much more useful and more current
[06:22] <NamShub> hola
[06:27] <seth_k> hi
[06:29] <arcanistherogue> back
[06:31] <supernix> anyone know how I could get my local messages from the system to email to a pop3 address ?
[06:35] <arcanistherogue> hey does anyone know a good program to rip mp3s off of a cd?
[06:36] <arcanistherogue> or how to get dev-C++ and IDLE for python on my computer?
[06:38] <arcanistherogue> well nvm the idle, i found that on python.org, but how do i get dev-c++ O_o
[06:39] <xwing> hi
[06:46] <arcanistherogue> hello xwing
[06:48] <xwing> i'm in the process of finding programs to replace my windows only programs
[06:48] <xwing> anyone here think they could help
[06:48] <arcanistherogue> i still use windows
[06:48] <arcanistherogue> what programs do you intend upon replacing?
[06:49] <xwing> ulead dvd movie factory?
[06:49] <arcanistherogue> never heard of that?
[06:49] <arcanistherogue> >_>
[06:49] <xwing> DVD Decrypter
[06:50] <arcanistherogue> sorry, i dont know about those ;_;
[06:50] <xwing> DVD Shrink
[06:50] <arcanistherogue> i need to find a c++ compiler
[06:50] <xwing> mirc
[06:50] <arcanistherogue> actually i should just use dev
[06:50] <arcanistherogue> mirc?
[06:50] <arcanistherogue> your using a mirc replacement now
[06:50] <arcanistherogue> konversation
[06:51] <xwing> nope still on windows
[06:51] <arcanistherogue> oh
[06:51] <arcanistherogue> well gnome has x chat
[06:51] <arcanistherogue> and kde has konversation
[06:51] <arcanistherogue> they come defautl
[06:51] <arcanistherogue> *default
[06:51] <xwing> ok good
[06:51] <arcanistherogue> i swap off between linux and win xp
[06:51] <arcanistherogue> i do alot of gaming and programming
[06:52] <xwing> TMPGEnc, VideoLAN, WinRAR, nero
[06:52] <liz4rd> :P
[06:53] <liz4rd> FoamY!!!
[06:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> liz4rd ^_^
[06:53] <xwing> i'll be using the kde version so i need kde friendly programs
[06:53] <arcanistherogue> i use both OSs
[06:53] <arcanistherogue> i dont see why everyoen hates them
[06:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> whatch been up to?
[06:53] <arcanistherogue> and i use mac os x
[06:53] <liz4rd> wow
[06:53] <liz4rd> your reall screwed up :P
[06:53] <arcanistherogue> thats for art
[06:53] <xwing> arcanistherogue: i'm just tied of all the windows problems, spyware, trojans, etc
[06:53] <liz4rd> HAVE YO CHOSEN YOUR FAV YET?
[06:53] <liz4rd> :P
[06:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> me?
[06:54] <liz4rd> no this winblows cracker
[06:54] <liz4rd> :P
[06:54] <arcanistherogue> probably *puts on anti flame suit* windows xp, but thats only because i play ALOT of computer games
[06:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> winbows ewwww gross
[06:54] <arcanistherogue> then linux
[06:54] <arcanistherogue> then mac os X
[06:54] <liz4rd> LOL
[06:54] <liz4rd> !!!
[06:54] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ! is what u add before a sentence to talk to me
[06:54] <arcanistherogue> !
[06:54] <ubotu> arcanistherogue: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[06:55] <arcanistherogue> !yes?
[06:55] <ubotu> arcanistherogue: Are you smoking crack?
[06:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hi ubotu
[06:55] <arcanistherogue> !no>
[06:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ubotu hi 
[06:55] <ubotu> what's up
[06:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_O
[06:55] <xwing> arcanistherogue: i know if june 2006 apple does happen to release a x86 version of MacOS i'll buy it one the 1st day just to get rid of windows
[06:55] <arcanistherogue> yeah
[06:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just got a new clock in today ^_^
[06:55] <arcanistherogue> thats what i plan on using ,i have to use a crappy g4 now...
[06:56] <liz4rd> LOL
[06:57] <liz4rd> AHAHAHAAH dont worry about him
[06:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> arcanistherogue i just read an articule in popular science that talked about the future and the ability to grow organic computers
[06:57] <xwing> has the version of linux that ubuntu is built from have better support for scanners ?
[06:57] <arcanistherogue> wtf?
[06:57] <arcanistherogue> thats messed up O_o
[06:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that would be far faster than anything silicon based 
[06:57] <arcanistherogue> wow
[06:57] <arcanistherogue> is there a link to it online?
[06:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i know but think about it all you'd have to do is water your computer
[06:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i don't know
[06:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[06:58] <arcanistherogue> water your computer?
[06:58] <liz4rd> lol
[06:58] <liz4rd> give up now
[06:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> who me or him
[06:58] <arcanistherogue> <_<
[06:58] <arcanistherogue> >_>
[06:58] <liz4rd> him
[06:58] <liz4rd> :P
[06:58] <arcanistherogue> aw.... v_v
[06:58] <xwing> ChurcH_of_FoamY: i'm sure that if that happened the u.s. would make computers a "controled substance"
[06:58] <liz4rd> lol ChurcH_of_FoamY will confuse the fuck out of you man
[06:59] <arcanistherogue> so tell me liz4rd, why does windows suck?
[06:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^  yea i'm good at throughin a monky wrench in the works
[06:59] <arcanistherogue> besides the fact its made by "M$"
[06:59] <arcanistherogue> yay for monkey wrenches
[06:59] <xwing> thats a question you need to ask, then you'll never know the true answer
[06:59] <arcanistherogue> say, is there a way for me to use steam on linux?
[07:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i can answer it ^_^
[07:00] <arcanistherogue> or photoshop?
[07:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> 1 it's 199 for a copy of windows you don't own
[07:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> 2 viruses
[07:00] <arcanistherogue> <_< i didnt pay for it
[07:00] <arcanistherogue> >_>
[07:00] <arcanistherogue> shhhhhh
[07:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> 3 securety flaws
[07:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> 4 it eats hardware for breakfast
[07:00] <arcanistherogue> really?
[07:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> 4 the blue screen of death
[07:00] <arcanistherogue> i dont want my bueatiful 3000+ being eaten...
[07:01] <arcanistherogue> or my 6600 GT
[07:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> windows xp is so hardware intensive it's not even funnie
[07:01] <liz4rd> well first of all you constantly need these security updates. plus you haveto constantly spend money on hardware and software to stay _current_ with microsuck, everything is hidden form you you cant see what goes on in the background, you get viruses, you always have to restart, and they brain wash to into thinking that everything els isnt "standerd"
[07:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that and they babysit you through the intire install
[07:01] <liz4rd> word
[07:01] <arcanistherogue> well if i can run steam, xfire, photoshop, illustrator, and a couple other small programs on ilinux i dont need windows
[07:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and treat you like a moron with the GUI by making all your choices for you
[07:02] <liz4rd> aweee wqould you liek to set up your netwerky worky?
[07:02] <xwing> photoshop = GIMP
[07:02] <arcanistherogue> nah, i dont like gimp
[07:02] <arcanistherogue> its not as good
[07:02] <liz4rd> i do agree on one thing
[07:02] <arcanistherogue> but if i cna run PS on linux im golden
[07:02] <xwing> i prefer gimp crashes less often
[07:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> my cpu runs 25% cooler with linux than with windows
[07:02] <liz4rd> i would love to have photoshop and dreamweaver back
[07:03] <arcanistherogue> i dont need dreamweaver, im too leet for that <_<
[07:03] <arcanistherogue> >_>
[07:03] <liz4rd> ChurcH_of_FoamY, as does mine
[07:03] <arcanistherogue> *gets shot*
[07:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> here's adobie is goin opensource
[07:03] <liz4rd> plus your connection crawls under windows
[07:03] <arcanistherogue> really
[07:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea it does
[07:03] <arcanistherogue> ?
[07:03] <arcanistherogue> damn
[07:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> surf the web with linux you'll see
[07:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's faster
[07:03] <liz4rd> yeah
[07:03] <arcanistherogue> i dont see much difference
[07:03] <liz4rd> wayyy faster
[07:03] <arcanistherogue> i have a cable connection
[07:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> you will when you download something
[07:03] <liz4rd> my download speeds go up not stqart high then go down
[07:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so do i a 5meg
[07:04] <arcanistherogue> hmmm
[07:04] <arcanistherogue> mebbe ill start using linux more<_<
[07:04] <arcanistherogue> but i want my art apps
[07:04] <arcanistherogue> and steam
[07:04] <arcanistherogue> i LOVE half life
[07:04] <arcanistherogue> FTW?
[07:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> in linux
[07:04] <liz4rd> arcanistherogueL suck it up theres other games its not a HUGE loss :P
[07:04] <arcanistherogue> noes
[07:04] <arcanistherogue> i love half llfie
[07:04] <arcanistherogue> i need it
[07:04] <arcanistherogue> ..;-;
[07:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it works in linux
[07:04] <liz4rd> yeah
[07:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> as does ut04
[07:04] <arcanistherogue> how
[07:05] <arcanistherogue> yeah i play that
[07:05] <arcanistherogue> but how do i get steam on linux?
[07:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> with point2play for transgaming
[07:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's a compatability layer developed to run win*ucks games
[07:05] <xwing> so can anyone else help with what programs i can use on linux to replace my windows ones
[07:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that depends
[07:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what you need
[07:06] <liz4rd> xwing, what ones
[07:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have found that 90% of the apps are better than win
[07:06] <arcanistherogue> hey i have a question, how do i give myself permission to certain files?  i installed something on my desktop by accident...
[07:06] <arcanistherogue> and i cant move it
[07:06] <liz4rd> chown username file
[07:06] <xwing> ulead dvd movie factory, DVD Decrypter, DVD Shrink, mirc, TMPGEnc, VideoLAN, WinRAR, nero
[07:06] <liz4rd> or chmod 755 filename
[07:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> arcanistherogue do you want to delete it?
[07:06] <arcanistherogue> yeah
[07:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> sudo rm -r <filename>
[07:07] <arcanistherogue> k
[07:07] <liz4rd> xwing. mirc = irssi, chat. WinRAR = tar.gz,gunzip,ark. nero = k3b 
[07:07] <liz4rd> i dont know about dvd stuff
[07:07] <xwing> i did find this not sure how good it is http://lvempeg.sourceforge.net/
[07:07] <arcanistherogue> wow thanks
[07:08] <arcanistherogue> hey how do i patch up this space in my panel <_<
[07:08] <arcanistherogue> there is a space near the system applet
[07:08] <liz4rd> eh?
[07:08] <arcanistherogue> where the handle was, i hid them
[07:08] <liz4rd> clikc and hold the nerest bertical spacer thinger and drag?
[07:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_O
[07:08] <liz4rd> vertical
[07:08] <liz4rd> LMFAO I CANT SPELL
[07:08] <liz4rd> in the dark
[07:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> once apon a midnight dreary while i ponderd weak and weary......
[07:09] <liz4rd> wtf...
[07:09] <arcanistherogue> damn i used to know that
[07:09] <liz4rd> lol
[07:10] <arcanistherogue> ..over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore
[07:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY>  my celery stalks at night O_o
[07:10] <liz4rd> ...while the penguins scury about
[07:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[07:10] <liz4rd> ^_^
[07:10] <arcanistherogue> hey whats a good ftp program for kde?
[07:10] <arcanistherogue> y helo thar trog
[07:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and my onion crys while windows frys
[07:11] <liz4rd> arcanistherogue, well its uni but "gftp"
[07:11] <trog_> hiya
[07:11] <liz4rd> ChurcH_of_FoamY: AHAHAHAA
[07:11] <arcanistherogue> k
[07:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[07:11] <arcanistherogue> hey, how do i get it so numlock is on by default at boot up?
[07:11] <liz4rd> sudo aptitude install gftp
[07:11] <liz4rd> or
[07:12] <liz4rd> sudo apt-get install gftp
[07:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i was so pissed today liz4rd i just setup windows xp for a customer and i went to the bathroom....
[07:12] <liz4rd> aptitude is better i think
[07:12] <arcanistherogue> k
[07:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i come back and it has that stupid blaster worm
[07:12] <liz4rd> HAHAAHAHAHA
[07:12] <arcanistherogue> i got an error
[07:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shutting it down every 60 seconds >.<
[07:12] <liz4rd> whats the error?
[07:13] <liz4rd> ChurcH_of_FoamY, i know how to fix that with out programs
[07:13] <arcanistherogue> E: unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try --fix-missing?
[07:13] <liz4rd> also if you catching whip open star > run 
[07:13] <liz4rd> type shutdown -a
[07:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea it's a reg fix i know but it's such a pan in the arse
[07:13] <arcanistherogue> will that shutoff my computer>_>
[07:13] <liz4rd> arcanistherogue, do what it says
[07:13] <arcanistherogue> --fix-missing?
[07:13] <liz4rd>  arcanistherogue, will what?
[07:14] <liz4rd> the shutdown -a 
[07:14] <liz4rd> ?
[07:14] <arcanistherogue> k
[07:14] <arcanistherogue> i need to be root to do that... sure nothign bad will happen?
[07:14] <liz4rd> no :P
[07:14] <liz4rd> sudo 
[07:14] <arcanistherogue> sure <_<
[07:14] <spermie_411> anyone in here use cedega?
[07:14] <liz4rd> spermie__441!!!! AHAHAHHA i love your nick
[07:15] <spermie_411> liz4rd  =P
[07:15] <arcanistherogue> hey wait, i need hellp installing python 2.4 
[07:15] <liz4rd> lol you'd fit right in whith me and ChurcH_of_FoamY =P
[07:15] <arcanistherogue> i need to make the install thing, i have never done this before
[07:16] <liz4rd> arcanistherogue: are you on kubuntu or ubuntu?
[07:16] <liz4rd> or what distro?
[07:16] <spermie_411> liz4rd we gotta start a IRC clan
[07:16] <arcanistherogue> ubuntu, but i apt-get installed kubuntu
[07:16] <arcanistherogue> im on kde now
[07:16] <arcanistherogue> so far i ran the ./configure
[07:16] <arcanistherogue> but i dont know what to do next
[07:16] <liz4rd> lol for sure spermie_411
[07:16] <liz4rd> arcanistherogue, LOL dont dod that
[07:16] <liz4rd> delete that python folder and file
[07:16] <liz4rd> just
[07:17] <arcanistherogue> what?
[07:17] <liz4rd> sudo apt-get install python2.4
[07:17] <arcanistherogue> k
[07:17] <liz4rd> in a term
[07:17] <arcanistherogue> then how do i run IDLE?
[07:17] <arcanistherogue> or python
[07:17] <liz4rd> type python...
[07:17] <arcanistherogue> oh
[07:17] <arcanistherogue> ok
[07:17] <liz4rd> or use a text editor and save asd .py
[07:17] <arcanistherogue> can i put a shortcut to IDLE on the desktop?
[07:17] <liz4rd> maybe
[07:18] <liz4rd> just run konsole then type python
[07:18] <liz4rd> BAM
[07:18] <liz4rd> buti dont use kde :P
[07:19] <arcanistherogue> how do i make a new window?
[07:19] <arcanistherogue> like in IDLE
[07:19] <arcanistherogue> you make a new window and save it as a .py file
[07:19] <xwing> what distro is ubuntu built from?
[07:19] <arcanistherogue> debian i though?
[07:19] <arcanistherogue> but i dont know much
[07:20] <xwing> i'm trying to find out if my scanner will work or not
[07:20] <bbailey> It's built on top of debian 3.1 (sarge)
[07:20] <xwing> i don't think last time i used kubuntu it did
[07:20] <xwing> ok
[07:24] <arcanistherogue> how do i execute one of my .py files?
[07:24] <arcanistherogue> when i double click it opens in kate
[07:25] <liz4rd> arcanistherogue, open konsole or w/e
[07:25] <arcanistherogue> yeah?
[07:25] <liz4rd> then cd to the dir the files are in
[07:25] <arcanistherogue> k
[07:25] <liz4rd> so cd Desktop or w/e
[07:25] <liz4rd> then type
[07:25] <arcanistherogue> k
[07:25] <liz4rd> python filename.py
[07:26] <arcanistherogue> wow thanks alot dude
[07:26] <arcanistherogue> you are really helpful.
[07:26] <xwing> night all
[07:26] <arcanistherogue> i think im gonna go too
[07:27] <arcanistherogue> see everyone later
[07:27] <liz4rd> later man
[08:02] <_warren_> Hey what's up0
[08:11] <IceDC571> is everyone not awake?
[08:11] <crimsun> I'm definitely asleep.
[08:12] <IceDC571> crimsun: are you running kde?
[08:13] <crimsun> at the moment? No, GNOME.
[09:14] <spermie_> how do i change konsol settings on kubuntu as root?
[09:17] <Computer__Guru> i dunno, i have an actual root acct, so i just login as root when i need to change root settings
[09:20] <shogouki> spermie_: sudo konsole and the change the settings ?
[09:20] <shogouki> +n
[09:22] <spermie_> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-spermie" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[09:22] <spermie_> Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[09:22] <shogouki> ho same here
[09:23] <shogouki> spermie_: alt+f2 and kdesu konsole
[09:30] <spermie_> root@Spermie:/home/spermie #
[09:30] <spermie_>  whats with the home/ thing 
[09:33] <spermie_> and its not saving
[09:34] <Computer__Guru> umm /home/ is the directory that contains all the user dirs
[09:34] <Computer__Guru> try sudo su -
[09:34] <Computer__Guru> it'll initialize the root environment
[09:34] <Computer__Guru> actually
[09:34] <Computer__Guru> sudo apt-get install sux
[09:34] <Computer__Guru> then
[09:34] <Computer__Guru> sudo sux -
[09:35] <Computer__Guru> whatis sux:
[09:35] <Computer__Guru> sux: nothing appropriate.
[09:35] <Computer__Guru> sux - wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials
[09:35] <Computer__Guru> why is it sometimes whatis doesnt work
[09:42] <spermie_> whats a good website, 
[09:42] <spermie_> where i can go to learn theses commands?
[09:43] <shogouki> search for bash or unix tutorials
[09:48] <Computer__Guru> what commands?
[09:49] <shogouki> spermie_: if you search a command, try  apropos your_word
[09:51] <spermie_> Computer__Guru hey
[09:51] <spermie_> you use cedega?
[09:51] <Computer__Guru> im not a gamer, bro.. sorry
[09:52] <spermie_> ah.. alright
[10:02] <Computer__Guru> doesnt kubuntu-desktop include koffice?
[10:07] <spermie_> Computer__Guru  yes
[10:07] <Computer__Guru> then why isnt it installed?
[10:08] <spermie_> opps actually it does, i installed it myself
[10:08] <spermie_> doesnt^
[10:08] <Computer__Guru> im installing it now
[10:12] <spermie_> is there any movie editing / fake adobe premiere rip off for linux?
[10:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml look here spermie_
[10:18] <spermie_> thanks Kamping_Kaiser
[10:18] <_john> hey
[10:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[10:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's ok spermie_
[10:21] <arcanistherogue> hey, does anyone know how to get all the buttons working on an MX 510 mouse?
[10:21] <arcanistherogue> i want to use the back buttons and whatnot...
[10:32] <spermie_> spermie@Spermie:~$ sudo alien -i ~/Desktop/ cinelerra-1.2.2-1.i386.rpm
[10:32] <spermie_> File "/home/spermie/Desktop/" not found.
[10:32] <spermie_> what am i doing wrong?
[10:37] <arcanistherogue> dunno?
[10:38] <spermie_> nm i got it
[10:49] <paines> hi
[10:50] <buz> how "stable" is breezy these days?
[10:51] <paines> buz, look at #ubuntu
[10:51] <paines> they just chnaged the topic not to upgrade xorg
[10:51] <buz> not at all it seems ;)
[10:51] <buz> what is it with the qt4 link in the topic here?
[11:05] <Computer__Guru> does ANYONE know of a program similar to NEROVision eXpress for linux? A program that will let me add mpegs or avis or divx files, and will transcode them to dvd and build menus n such?
[12:08] <nikkia> yay, prepare for large numbers of 'firefox is too old' questions again :)
[12:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. *flees*
[12:08] <nikkia> they just released 1.0.5 i would seem
[12:08] <nikkia> it
[12:09] <hussam> nikkia: I usually use the linux installer builds from mozilla.org
[12:09] <nikkia> that doesn't stop lots and lots of people coming here to ask :P
[12:11] <nikkia> this is very bizarre
[12:11] <nikkia> bittorrent appears to have stopped working on my machine for no reason
[12:11] <hussam> builds 1.0.3 and 1.0.4 were really bad. they had a lot of bugs that were not present in 1.0.2 
[12:11] <hussam> but they fixed most of these in 1.0.5
[12:12] <Arsenio_Lupin> hi all
[12:12] <Arsenio_Lupin> someone has problems with kmail and address book?
[12:12] <Arsenio_Lupin> i've found a trhead in the forum, but no solution
[12:17] <Arsenio_Lupin> hi
[12:43] <tjs> anyone using kbfx? 
[12:43] <tjs> I have installed it from some debs I found on the kde-look.org site
[12:43] <tjs> but its cutting the images off half way, that I drag onto it
[01:00] <_nova> How can I get beta releases listed in kynaptic?
[01:02] <Kamping_Kaise1> beta releases of what?
[01:03] <hussam> you mean breezy?
[01:24] <hussam> I have a question. I compiled/installed xfce 4.2.2 using gui installer. I enabled composite. but I got no shadows. I know xorg.conf is configured correctly because I get shadows in kde 3.4.1. any ideas?
[01:30] <mikl> hussam: burn the onholy gtk-apps and be happy ;)
[01:30] <mikl> s/onh/unh/
[01:31] <hussam> mikl: Don't get me wrong. I love kde. I've never had gnome installed in any distro I've tried.
[01:32] <hussam> mikl: but I saw some xfce 4.2.2 screenies and I wanted to try it.
[01:32] <mikl> it is kinda nice, but it lacks the nice integration of KDE :)
[01:33] <hussam> mikl: definitely, kde is probably the most refined user interface I've ever seen.
[01:33] <mikl> and their defaut icon-theme is positively hideous ;)
[01:35] <hussam> I'm waiting for firefox 1.1,  it will compile using qt libs
[01:35] <bRadArmPitt> why is badger breezy?
[01:35] <buz> hussam: really? SWEEEET
[01:35] <buz> when is it due for release
[01:35] <mikl> bRadArmPitt: why is the sun hot?
[01:36] <hussam> buz: late summer.
[01:36] <bRadArmPitt> that not answer my question
[01:36] <buz> because it fuses shitloads of hydrogen
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaise1> bRadArmPitt: i believe mark s chooses the names
[01:37] <mikl> bRadArmPitt: because it fuses shitloads of hydrogen :)
[01:37] <bRadArmPitt> what does that mean
[01:37] <hussam> the one after breezy will be called: fuzzy wabbit
[01:37] <mikl> more like wuzzy wabbit :)
[01:38] <hussam> mikl: lol yes
[01:38] <mikl> what was the first ubuntu? I never seem to remember that...
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaise1> Warty warthog
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaise1> 4.1
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaise1> *4.10
[01:40] <hussam> 4.10 was first version? there was no 3 or 2 or 1?
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaise1> no
[01:40] <mikl> it was the first public one
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaise1> because it was relesead october, 2004
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaise1> wtfs with my nic?
[01:40] <OculusAquilae> 200>>>4<<<.10
[01:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> better
[01:41] <OculusAquilae> breezy is 200>5<.10
[01:41] <hussam> OculusAquilae: ah, I get it
[01:41] <hussam> hoary 200>5<04
[01:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[01:44] <nikkia> hussam, you'd only format the wrong one anyway
[01:44] <nikkia> my boot partition is NOT on hda :P
[01:44] <hussam> nikkia: smart
[01:45] <nikkia> hussam, not especially, its just how it ended up...
[01:45] <nikkia> the sad reality is, the boot partition is on the slowest interfaced drive in my system :/
[01:46] <mikl> well, you can always have windows-installer format all disks :)
[01:46] <tuxme> tell me how to make my ubuntu boot up have a graphic but not text like it does now
[01:47] <hussam> nikkia: should that really matter? unless the motherboard is old like mine.
[01:48] <nikkia> hussam: its not the motherboard or the drive, its the fact that the boot partition is on a caddy'ed drive, and somehow the caddy's ATA100 interface doesn't seem like its ATA100
[01:49] <nikkia> the drive is identical to another in my system, and is on the same interface as the identical drive, yet it seems about 1/5-1/4 the speed
[01:49] <nikkia> it would be a PITA to reformat/reinstall everything though (yes, i know, i should just swap the caddy around, but that is also a PITA :)
[01:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> tuxme: try splashy
[01:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> (iirc)
[01:50] <hussam> ok I got that. but 1/4 is a bit too much.
[01:50] <tuxme> Kamping_Kaiser what is splashy
[01:50] <tuxme> is that a drunk badger?
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's throws a graphic over the boot text
[01:52] <tuxme> Kamping_Kaiser is it bug free?
[01:52] <_nova> How do I get unstable releases to show up in kynaptic? I want to upgrade to amarok 1.3 beta
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> tuxme: don't know
[01:54] <hussam> _nova: you can't get 1.3, the lastest in breezy is 1.2.4
[01:56] <_nova> that then
[01:56] <_nova> whatever the newest is, I just the version I have is not the newest
[01:57] <tuxme> use cvs
[01:57] <_nova> what's that?
[01:57] <tuxme> read the amarok site and youll see
[01:57] <tuxme> its better than beta
[01:57] <tuxme> and you will always be cutting edge
[01:58] <_nova> Can I do that through kynaptic?
[01:58] <_nova> I'd like to keep it simple
[01:58] <tuxme> it is simple
[01:58] <tuxme> you use cvs
[01:58] <tuxme> follow simple instructions and you have it
[01:59] <_nova> k
[01:59] <_nova> thx
[01:59] <tuxme> splashy badgers!
[02:04] <_nova> What's the difference between hoary and breezy?
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> _nova: stability and 6 months work
[02:06] <_nova> Is it a new version of kubuntu?
[02:06] <_nova> because I could only find the hoary download on the kubuntu site
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's the unreleased version
[02:08] <_nova> ah, I see
[02:08] <_nova> Once it's released, is it possible to upgrade from within hoary?
[02:09] <tuxme> yes
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[02:10] <nova_> Is SVN any different from CVS?
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[02:11] <nova_> hah, it's just that the amarok says that it's for experienced users, but I'm hardly experienced
[02:19] <qbit> where does one get the Xorg includes in order to compile something?
[02:34] <buz> qbit: compile what
[02:36] <DrX> Hi Im trying to configure my network card but I can't change to Administrator mode in Control Center, everything is still grey when i have typed in the password
[02:38] <DrX> I want to setup the network for a local network with static ip adress, is there another way to do this ?
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> using text mode edior
[02:40] <DrX> ok and what should i edit ?
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> DrX: try opening a root terminal and running the control center from there
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> if that fails do text editing. /etc/network/interfaces
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> $EDITOR /etc/network/interfaces
[02:41] <DrX> how do i start control center from the terminal ?
[02:42] <DrX> nm i found it
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> kcontrol?
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[02:42] <DrX> ah now it works, great
[02:42] <DrX> thanks
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> at least now you can change stuff ;)
[02:43] <DrX> time for a test :)
[02:49] <buz> http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/releases/1.0.5.html ?
[02:49] <buz> is there anyone that builds really updated (not just backport) firefox debs for ubuntu?
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> no afaik
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> unless you get from Breezy
[03:57] <osity> anyone know how to setup a softwre raid 1
[05:17] <JohnFlux> Hey all
[05:17] <JohnFlux> I just installed kubuntu for the first, but I'm a long time linux user.
[05:17] <JohnFlux> The touch pad on my laptop doesn't work however
[05:17] <JohnFlux> also, what is the root password?
[05:17] <JohnFlux> :)
[05:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> by default you use sudo 
[05:18] <JohnFlux> sudo asks for a password
[05:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> re touch pad... i cant help
[05:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo ... your passwd
[05:19] <JohnFlux> ah thanks
[05:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's ok
[05:20] <JohnFlux> I think the problem might be the protocol its using.  Its configured as "auto-dev"
[05:20] <JohnFlux> is that reliable?
[05:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> i know nothing.. me janior... me wax floors ;)
[05:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> if that sounds familiar it's one of the bohf excuses
[05:22] <JohnFlux> ;)
[05:23] <JohnFlux> ah hmm "no synaptics touchpad detected" :\
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> xorg-driver-synaptics - Synaptics TouchPad driver for X.Org server
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> you got that JohnFlux
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[05:28] <JohnFlux> yeah that's installed
[05:28] <JohnFlux> i just did "cat /dev/input/event0"  and event1
[05:29] <JohnFlux> but touching the pad produces nothing
[05:29] <JohnFlux> so its a kernel problem
[05:29] <_nova> If I want to install SVN do I get libsvn0 from kynaptic? or libsvn-dev? or both? Thanks
[05:30] <JohnFlux> _nova: neither
[05:30] <JohnFlux> _nova: get "subversion"
[05:30] <_nova> ok
[05:30] <buz> is there a binary of deer park with qt support anywhere?
[05:55] <JohnFlux> _nova: in general, -dev  is only needed when compiling software. and generally you shouldn't install lib..  yourself - it will be depended on by other programs so installed that way
[06:05] <JohnFlux> HAHA. I was using the system trying to work out how to get the mousepad working..
[06:06] <JohnFlux> then suddenly realised I was using the mousepad...
[06:06] <JohnFlux> something i did 5 mins ago or so worked
[06:06] <JohnFlux> i just never realised ;)
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:09] <Riddell> JohnFlux: what is a synaptics mousepad anyway?
[06:09] <JohnFlux> touchpad thing that most laptops use
[06:09] <JohnFlux> uh touchpad  i meant - not mousepad ;)
[06:10] <JohnFlux> mouse touchpad
[06:10] <Riddell> and it needs some funny driver instead of the standard ps2 stuff?
[06:10] <JohnFlux> its usb, and uses a synaptic driver
[06:10] <JohnFlux> xorg-drivers-synaptic
[06:10] <JohnFlux> is the .deb file 
[06:11] <Riddell> JohnFlux: can you check if ksynaptics works?
[06:12] <JohnFlux> Riddell: hmm I can't find it
[06:12] <Riddell> JohnFlux: it's in universe
[06:12] <JohnFlux> Riddell: does ubuntu come by default with good apt repositories?
[06:12] <Riddell> JohnFlux: you'll need to enable universe in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:13] <JohnFlux> thanks.  will take a while.. sloooow connectino
[06:17] <shogouki> ~root@
[06:17] <shogouki> ouch
[06:19] <F_for_Fragging> Riddell: I've spoken to you about the Karbon crash bugs a few weeks ago, and I've posted the bug report here - https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1255 - but did you see it? Still no comments on the bug
[06:22] <Riddell> F_for_Fragging: hmm, works for me
[06:22] <Riddell> wonder if it's baghira
[06:24] <F_for_Fragging> how do you know my window decoration? from the backtrace I posted? I'll try to change to Plastik then
[06:25] <Riddell> F_for_Fragging: yes, the backtrace says baghira :)
[06:26] <F_for_Fragging> Riddell: with Plastik Karbon doesn't crash anymore
[06:26] <F_for_Fragging> Riddell: but ths still is strange, the other KOffice programs don't have problems with Baghira
[06:27] <Riddell> hmm, so could be an issue with karbon or bdaghira
[06:30] <F_for_Fragging> ok, thank you for the information
[06:43] <yoz> hi guys... I was wondering how long it takes to get firefox 1.0.5  as deb for example..
[06:44] <EiGHTBALLx> what is the default KDE dir?
[06:45] <apokryphos> eightballx: the default KDE directory
[06:45] <eightballx> yes
[06:46] <eightballx> i know that, i was wondering where its located!
[06:46] <eightballx> im not a complete n00b!
[06:46] <aseigo> kde-config --prefix; kde-config --localprefx
[06:46] <aseigo> er, localprefix
[06:46] <apokryphos> eightballx: what's the context? They're either referring to /usr or ~/.kde
[06:46] <apokryphos> (on Ubuntu)
[06:47] <eightballx> i have to put a folder for some themes
[06:47] <yoz> eightballx: it's /usr
[06:47] <apokryphos> eightballx: what themes? 
[06:48] <apokryphos> If they're going to be installed systemwide then they're going to be going inside /usr somewhere, most probably. If they're gonna be just for your user, then in .kde
[06:48] <eightballx> its a login theme
[06:48] <eightballx> so id say /usr
[06:49] <apokryphos> eightballx: KDM one?
[06:49] <apokryphos> eightballx: http://kdelook.org/help/index.php?type=40
[06:49] <eightballx> wow, i sure am ignorant thanks
[06:51] <eightballx> /home/zak/.kde/share/apps/kdm doesnt exist"!
[06:52] <eightballx> oh its kstyle in ubuntu!
[06:54] <eightballx> kdmrc doenst exist
[06:55] <aseigo> that would be `kde-config --prefix`/share/apps/kdm for the kdmrc stuff
[06:56] <aseigo> kdm isn't per-user, it's system wide only (for fairly obvious reasons =)
[06:56] <eightballx> what?
[06:56] <aseigo>  /home/zak/.kde/share/apps/kdm <--- of course you don't have that =)
[06:56] <apokryphos> You can just edit /usr/share/apps/kdm/kdmrc to set UseTheme=true and Theme=/path/to/theme
[06:56] <eightballx> Put the theme folder in ~/.kde/share/apps/kdm/themes
[06:57] <apokryphos> no wait, kdmrc is in /etc
[06:57] <apokryphos>  /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[07:00] <apokryphos> aseigo: funny that the howto should suggest it in ~
[07:38] <dyllan> hey guys.. .
[07:38] <dyllan> i cant login as root on the shell?
[07:38] <dyllan> i know the password i have is correct, but it still wont let me
[07:38] <dyllan> any ideas?
[07:38] <apokryphos> dyllan: Ubuntu doesn't use root, it uses sudo
[07:38] <apokryphos> !rootsudo
[07:38] <ubotu> I heard rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:39] <dyllan> so if i was at the shell, how would i get root access?
[07:39] <apokryphos> dyllan: make sure any command you want to run as root is preceded by "sudo"
[07:39] <apokryphos> or you could just type sudo -s  to go into the equivalent of a root shell
[07:40] <dyllan> ahh ok :)
[07:40] <dyllan> thnx
[07:48] <dyllan> is there the same package managment tool for kubuntu? the graphical apt-get update etc?
[07:48] <dyllan> and has anyone got wireless to work? :P
[07:52] <chris12349> dyllan:  I did get wireless working but I had to use the gnome  networking tool to do it
[07:53] <spiral> dyllan: I have wireless working with ipw2200 & good ol' command line
[07:53] <dyllan> nice
[07:54] <[Relic] > is there anyway of getting rid of the keyboard delay time on repeats?
[07:54] <dyllan> what is the file i have to edit for my networking>
[07:54] <dyllan> like i would like to change default gateway etc? :)
[07:54] <Riddell> dyllan: kynaptic
[07:54] <dyllan> on gentoo its /etc/conf.d/net
[07:54] <spiral> dyllan: /etc/network/interfaces
[07:54] <dyllan> Riddell, kynaptic doesnt setup the ubuntu update servers etc
[07:54] <dyllan> tanks spiral 
[07:55] <spiral> dyllan: kynaptic is quite minimalistic for the moment...
[07:55] <dyllan> yea i noticed, not a problem :)
[08:13] <_nova> I just installed something called subvision(?) that could do svn builds, to install the newest amarok. What's the command instead of svn? cause I need to follow this: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Installation_HowTo#Building_SVN_amaroK Thanks
[08:18] <_nova> Subversion it's called
[08:21] <seth_k> you're right; svn is the command to call subversion
[08:23] <chx> Hi. I have bought a Razer Diamondback mouse and googling  razer ubuntu either razer kubuntu  revealed nothing. The mouse works , yes, but it has many special features and I am looking for fellow users...
[08:24] <_nova> yeah, I just noticed I forgot to install it, haha
[08:25] <_nova> I need autoconf 2.53? I thought kynaptic took care of depencies?
[08:26] <shogouki> _nova: are you sure about installing the svn version ?
[08:27] <_nova> nevermind it's working now
[08:31] <_nova> configure: error: expected an absolute directory name for --prefix: kde-config --prefix
[08:31] <_nova> I get that when I try the ./configure thing
[08:32] <seth_k> have you ever built something from source before?
[08:32] <_nova> When I try this line: ./configure --enable-debug=full --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` Can I just leave out the part behind ./configure?
[08:32] <_nova> no
[08:32] <_nova> I've been using kubuntu for 30 mins
[08:33] <seth_k> oh, haha
[08:33] <seth_k> first time using Linux?
[08:33] <seth_k> anyways, I think amarok uses autoconf and automake
[08:34] <_nova> No I tried it two years ago or so aswell, but I can't remember anything
[08:34] <_nova> yeah I've already installed those :p
[08:34] <_nova> kynaptic is great
[08:34] <seth_k> okay
[08:34] <_nova> I'm guessing though, that I don't REALLY need this: --enable-debug=full --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`
[08:34] <_nova> am I assuming correctly?
[08:36] <seth_k> no, you do
[08:36] <seth_k> your problem is that kde-config is not installed
[08:36] <blueyed> _nova: prefix is quite important.. you should leave that one in  - whatever you want to compile.
[08:36] <seth_k> i'm looking to find where you can get it
[08:36] <_nova> ah
[08:36] <_nova> ok
[08:37] <_nova> thanks
[08:39] <seth_k> ./configure --enable-debug=full --prefix=`/usr/bin/kde-config --prefix`
[08:39] <seth_k> :)
[08:39] <_nova> awesome, thanks alot man
[08:40] <_nova> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[08:40] <_nova> that's what it gives me
[08:40] <_nova> haha, the problems just keeps on piling
[08:40] <_nova> What's a good compiler that's available on kynaptic? 
[08:41] <seth_k> use kynaptic to install build-essential
[08:41] <seth_k> it's a metapackage that pulls in all deps for building
[08:41] <_nova> super
[08:42] <_nova> configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[08:42] <_nova> that's what it spat out
[08:43] <apokryphos> _nova: you need the X includes. libx11-dev
[08:43] <apokryphos> !find libx11-dev
[08:43] <ubotu> libx11-dev: (X Window System protocol client library development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 6.8.2-10 (hoary), Packaged size: 1334 kB, Installed size: 4384 kB
[08:43] <apokryphos> yeah
[08:43] <seth_k> i think sudo apt-get build-dep amarok would be easier
[08:43] <seth_k> since it probably wouldn't change for the SVN
[08:44] <seth_k> amarok has a load of build-deps
[08:44] <_nova> I've come this far, might aswell go all the way :p
[08:44] <apokryphos> _nova: what's the problem with amaroK?
[08:44] <_nova> No problem, I just want the wiki feature
[08:45] <apokryphos> _nova: still only 1.2.3 in the repos? 
[08:45] <_nova> aye
[08:45] <apokryphos> Not too bad I guess... 1.3 isn't actually out
[08:46] <_nova> yeah, it's just I had the beta on another distro and found the wiki feature immensely usefull
[08:46] <apokryphos> Yeah, it's really great.
[08:47] <apokryphos> Wiki-KDE relationship is undoubtedly going to be very positive
[08:47] <_nova> ok, latest error is kind of large. Where can I dump it?
[08:48] <apokryphos> _nova: patebin.ubuntu.com is good
[08:48] <apokryphos> !pastebin
[08:48] <ubotu> [pastebin]  at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[08:49] <chx> hi. it seems my kwalletmanager has died :( :(  the wallet does not open and if I close and try to restart the manager it hangs
[08:49] <_nova> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/312705
[08:49] <seth_k> are you running KDE 3.4.1, chx?
[08:50] <seth_k> did you run an apt-get build-dep _nova?
[08:51] <apokryphos> _nova: isn't that one self-explanatory?
[08:51] <apokryphos> you probably don't have libz (and the dev files)
[08:51] <_nova> seth_k: nope
[08:51] <_nova> apokryphos: I'll get those, thanks
[08:51] <seth_k> _nova: sudo apt-get build-dep amarok (in a terminal)
[08:51] <seth_k> it will make your life lots easier
[08:51] <_nova> ok
[08:52] <chx> seth_k: it's 3.4.1 and it was working 'till 10 minutes ago when I restarted X
[08:52] <_nova> rm is still the remove command right?
[08:53] <_nova> stupid question, but how do I go one folder up in a terminal?
[08:53] <seth_k> cd ..
[08:53] <seth_k> and rm is remove, yes
[08:53] <_nova> doesn't work for folders?
[08:54] <_nova> or do I su in to do that?
[08:54] <seth_k> rm -rf for a folder
[08:54] <seth_k> noooooooo
[08:54] <seth_k> no su
[08:54] <_nova> haha, ok
[08:54] <seth_k> Kubuntu doesn't even have it by default
[08:54] <chx> seth_k: any ideas? 
[08:54] <seth_k> use sudo for everything
[08:54] <seth_k> chx, none really :(
[08:55] <chx> seth_k: should I try strace? I never tried strace before on a KDE app...
[08:56] <seth_k> chx, if it were me I would probably try purging the package and reinstalling
[08:56] <chx> seth_k: and lose all passwords in the wallet??
[08:56] <seth_k> :/
[08:56] <_nova> I allways write them down on a piece of post-it
[08:56] <_nova> :p
[09:01] <_nova> seth_k: when I start amarok it's still the old version?
[09:01] <jpatrick> does anyone know where I might find the Kopete icon?
[09:02] <seth_k> _nova: it would have installed to a different place
[09:03] <_nova> ah, and how do I replace the old amarok with the new one?
[09:03] <seth_k> jpatrick: /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/64x64/apps/kopete.png
[09:03] <jpatrick> thank you!
[09:04] <seth_k> no problem :)
[09:05] <jpatrick> Need it for my object bar
[09:06] <jpatrick> Now it work fine!
[09:06] <jpatrick> :D
[09:09] <Ysblokje> anybody here ?
[09:09] <_nova> How do I replace the shortcut in the kubuntu menu to point to a newer version of amarok?
[09:09] <jpatrick> yes
[09:09] <seth_k> hi
[09:09] <seth_k> _nova: right click it :P
[09:10] <Ysblokje> dunno what package to install to get it to fill up
[09:10] <seth_k> hmmm, first the quintessential question: running KDE 3.4.1 ?
[09:11] <Ysblokje> jup
[09:11] <_nova> ya, the kommand says amarok  the location field is empty
[09:11] <seth_k> (and you are looking in settings:/Accessibility/ > Keyboard Layout?)
[09:11] <Ysblokje> yup
[09:11] <Ysblokje> looking like a fool now ;)
[09:15] <apokryphos> _nova: it should change automatically if you compiled correctly
[09:15] <_nova> I did the sudo apt-get build-dep amarok
[09:16] <apokryphos> _nova: that will only attempt to get you the dependencies for compiling
[09:16] <apokryphos> _nova: as in, you will still have to compile
[09:16] <_nova> haha, ok
[09:17] <_nova> how do I do that? :B
[09:18] <apokryphos> _nova:  Compiling generally consists of (i) untarring the file; (ii) configuring it; (iii) make; and then (iv) make install
[09:19] <apokryphos> For a description on what they do: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers.php?action=viewarticle&artid=15
[09:19] <_nova> where did the apt-get put the file? isn't in the folder I was in when I typed it
[09:20] <apokryphos> _nova: which file? Apt-get will install things to their appropriate location; it's independent of your current directory
[09:21] <_nova> newest amarok
[09:21] <apokryphos> _nova: you can't get the newest amaroK from apt
[09:21] <apokryphos> it's not in the repositories
[09:21] <jpatrick> like you can't get the newest firefox
[09:21] <_nova> sudo apt-get build-dep amarok is what I did, and it downloaded a lot
[09:22] <seth_k> jpatrick: it's in backports
[09:22] <seth_k> _nova: that extracts things to the proper places for you
[09:22] <apokryphos> _nova: as I said before, that will attempt to download the dependencies you'll need for building amaroK
[09:22] <seth_k> you still need to compile
[09:22] <apokryphos> seth_k: amaroK 1.3 beta is?
[09:22] <jpatrick> in backports?
[09:23] <_nova> ok, where do I go from now?
[09:23] <apokryphos> yes
[09:23] <seth_k> apokryphos: I was referencing jpatrick and firefox
[09:23] <nikkia> seth, newest firefox is not in backports :P
[09:23] <apokryphos> seth_k: oh, alright
[09:23] <nikkia> seth, newest firefox is 1.0.5, backports is 1.0.4
[09:23] <apokryphos> _nova: to the site to get the source tarball
[09:23] <jpatrick> yeah
[09:23] <seth_k> 1.0.5? I thought it was already in. Fair do's :D
[09:23] <_StarScream> hey guys, is there anyway i can run the install-configuration program after i've installed kubuntu?
[09:24] <_StarScream> breezy broke X (fair enough its dev) and i'm trying to get it back.
[09:24] <jpatrick> I think I'll trash my Windoze partition
[09:24] <nikkia> seth, its a bit of a weasel tho, its only been out a few hours, it normally takes people a couple of days to package it on any distro :)
[09:24] <apokryphos> _nova: I've gotta go now, but... once  you've got the source tarball, extract it and then read the INSTALL file inside there. It will explain what you need to know
[09:24] <shir> anyone knows  a repository with Kiso?
[09:24] <_nova> thanks for everything
[09:24] <jpatrick> what's Kiso?
[09:25] <shir> a program to open iso images
[09:25] <seth_k> _StarScream: just to reconfigure X: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:25] <jpatrick> ok
[09:25] <seth_k> _StarScream: do an upgrade first, they released new packages
[09:25] <jpatrick> I thought so
[09:26] <jpatrick> goes*
[09:30] <_StarScream> seth_k, yep tried both already :)
[09:31] <_StarScream> hasn't worked
[09:32] <seth_k> _StarScream: what error do you get?
[09:33] <_StarScream> erm can you hang on a sec, just gotta get out of osx and reboot..
[09:34] <_StarScream> brb
[09:36] <ubuntu> help me
[09:36] <jpatrick> ubuntu itself!!!
[09:36] <jpatrick> ;)
[09:36] <McScruff> lol
[09:37] <McScruff> i cant log in
[09:37] <McScruff> i cant log in error or something
[09:37] <jpatrick> :-o
[09:37] <kalenedrael> make sure you know your pw :P
[09:37] <McScruff> lol, i know thats right
[09:37] <kalenedrael> what is the error, specifically?
[09:38] <kalenedrael> did you just install kubuntu?
[09:38] <McScruff> had it installed for weeks
[09:38] <kalenedrael> hmm
[09:38] <kalenedrael> and now you can't log in?
[09:38] <McScruff> was playing with vmware, then i went out, cae home and nothing will save
[09:38] <McScruff> so i rebooted
[09:38] <kalenedrael> nothing will save...?
[09:38] <McScruff> now i cant log in
[09:38] <McScruff> nope
[09:39] <kalenedrael> what do you mean by that? you can't write to any file?
[09:39] <kalenedrael> check the permissions
[09:39] <McScruff> but it has been working fine
[09:39] <McScruff> now i cant log in to check them
[09:39] <McScruff> im on live cd atm
[09:39] <kalenedrael> ah
[09:40] <kalenedrael> hmm
[09:40] <McScruff> is there any way to check
[09:40] <jpatrick> Tried safety mode...?
[09:40] <McScruff> ooo
[09:40] <McScruff> no
[09:40] <McScruff> thats a good idea
[09:40] <McScruff> i got freaked and shoved this cd in
[09:40] <kalenedrael> i'll have to give you all the instructions
[09:40] <McScruff> but why would they change
[09:40] <McScruff> unless vmware got an error
[09:40] <kalenedrael> 1) on bootup, in grub, press "e" to edit commands
[09:40] <kalenedrael> to edit the boot commands
[09:41] <shir> well, another question, why klaptop don't show correct my battery status? (acer aspire 2003)
[09:41] <kalenedrael> 2) edit the really long line (the one that says kernel blah blah, should be the second one), and add init=/bin/bash to the end
[09:41] <kalenedrael> then boot
[09:41] <kalenedrael> should give yuo a root shell
[09:41] <kalenedrael> you
[09:41] <kalenedrael> then you can change the root pw
[09:41] <kalenedrael> or your use pw
[09:42] <kalenedrael> and disable vmware
[09:42] <_StarScream> seth_k: ok, basically its failing to load the modules "fbdev" etc...
[09:43] <McScruff> ok i will try that later, i need to go out again, im gonna be back later if i cant do it :)
[09:43] <CraZy675> I've installed Kubuntu, and every so often when I try to open my home folder KDE crashes and freezes, how can I fix this?
[09:43] <_nova> I'm about to make install the newest amarok following their instructions. but when I type in this: su -c "make install" and enter my password it says authentication failure.. :( What do I do?
[09:43] <kalenedrael> CraZy675, can you be more specific?
[09:43] <kalenedrael> KDE itself crashes and freezes?
[09:44] <kalenedrael> is this a fresh install?
[09:44] <JohnFlux> Hey all
[09:44] <kalenedrael> _nova, you don't use su -c in kubuntu
[09:44] <kalenedrael> you use sudo
[09:44] <kalenedrael> sudo make install
[09:44] <JohnFlux> how do I get the win key working please?
[09:44] <kalenedrael> then it prompts for pw and you enter your own pw (the user pw), not the root pw, because the root pw doesn't exit
[09:44] <CraZy675> its a fresh install
[09:44] <kalenedrael> exist
[09:44] <CraZy675> and its kde that crashes
[09:44] <kalenedrael> CraZy675, odd then
[09:45] <kalenedrael> JohnFlux, what do you want the win key to do?
[09:45] <CraZy675> i'll try to crash it now to give you better details
[09:45] <JohnFlux> kalenedrael: popup the K menu
[09:45] <kalenedrael> open up the control center
[09:45] <_nova> kalenedrael: thanks! Is it a good idea to use make clean after make install?
[09:47] <CraZy675> ok its working fine at the moment
[09:47] <kalenedrael> _nova, make clean frees up some disk space but if the installed executable gets messed up (don't ask me how) then reinstalling takes longer
[09:47] <CraZy675> how do I update everything, apt-get update?
[09:47] <kalenedrael> CraZy675, sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:47] <CraZy675> ok thanks
[09:48] <JohnFlux> kalenedrael: how can I test that the keyboard layout even sees the win key?
[09:49] <_nova> I get a GStreamer error when starting amarok? saying it couldn't find the elemen adder. It says I need some plugins for codecs but in kynaptic there's like 50 gstreamer entries
[09:50] <kalenedrael> JohnFlux, go to the control center -> regional & accessibility -> keyboard shortcuts
[09:50] <kalenedrael> and assign some random shortcut to the win key
[09:50] <kalenedrael> like win+1 or something
[09:51] <JohnFlux> kalenedrael: yeah - it does see my win key
[09:54] <supernix> has anyone upgraded to OpenOffice 2.0 yet ?
[09:54] <JohnFlux> supernix: I have
[09:54] <JohnFlux> supernix: I love it
[09:55] <buz> youll need to use the rpms
[09:55] <supernix> I wanted to but did not know if it was safe or how to do it 
[09:55] <nikkia> s/here/her/
[09:55] <JohnFlux> buz: why?  
[09:55] <_StarScream> seth_k: you about?
[09:55] <buz> last i checked, the debs were hopelessly outdated
[09:55] <JohnFlux> supernix: Although I'm switching to kile but that's something else
[09:55] <buz> fetch the tarred rpms, untar them and run
[09:55] <buz> ls *rpm | (while read F; do rpm2cpio "$F" | cpio -idv "*"; done) 
[09:55] <nikkia> buz, umm
[09:56] <apokryphos> _nova: what plugins did it tell you it would build after the ./configure ?
[09:56] <buz> alien didnt work for me
[09:56] <nikkia> did for me
[09:56] <apokryphos> _nova: make clean is a good idea if you want to free space, but not the best idea if you want to make uninstall after, perhaps
[09:56] <apokryphos> Hi nikkia :)
[09:56] <nikkia> buz, even ignoring alien, cpio has to be the worst choice ever
[09:56] <nikkia> its a format older than tar itself
[09:57] <nikkia> evening apokryphos
[09:57] <nikkia> apokryphos: effective volume is such a terrible thing, my ears are still ringing :/
[09:58] <apokryphos> nikkia: my primary annoyance with Ubuntu for ages is that I only got output from two
[09:58] <apokryphos> nikkia: eventually found another sound card lying around, thank God ;-)
[09:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: i was playing my bass for a bit, then hit 'play' on beep, forgetting of course, that because the bass is narrowband, i had to jack the volume about 3x beyond 'humanly bearable' :P
[09:59] <apokryphos> Heh. I used to have really bad (too much) bass from my speakers too
[10:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, this setup has great bass, problem is, the bass guitar is a narrowband instrument, when you're playing it alone it has to be amplified far more than everything else to achieve the right effective volume
[10:00] <jpatrick> I don't have any sound
[10:01] <apokryphos> 8)
[10:01] <apokryphos> nikkia: what, the rename command doesn't do it? ;-)
[10:02] <nikkia> oh shush
[10:02] <apokryphos> :P
[10:03] <apokryphos> Been having fun with KDE svn today and late yesterday; some great stuff there. Great goodies in store for everyone
[10:03] <buz> maybe you could have some fun building firefox deer park for qt?
[10:03] <apokryphos> :|
[10:04] <JohnFlux> apokryphos: there won't be another major release for at least a year - so enjoy it ;)
[10:04] <nikkia> buz, that is a very warped sense of fun
[10:04] <buz> firefox qt would rock badly
[10:05] <apokryphos> JohnFlux: Heh, I'll update more regularly
[10:05] <apokryphos> might be worth using unstable as my default account, even, if I get adventurous account
[10:05] <seth_k> bah, just missed _StarScream
[10:05] <apokryphos> unstable kde on unstable breezy; nice
[10:05] <JohnFlux> apokryphos: well the kde4 branch will be where things will be happen, and that won't be stable for ages
[10:05] <apokryphos> excellent
[10:06] <JohnFlux> apokryphos: but at the end of august we are all going to spain so expect there to be lots and lots of work done :)
[10:07] <JohnFlux> apokryphos: I personally will be working on plug-and-play - I intend to get it all working
[10:08] <apokryphos> JohnFlux: Nice :). Would have been nice to have gone to aKademy; shame I don't really have any "real-life" KDE friends to go with ;-)
[10:08] <hussam> buz: would you try compiling it?
[10:08] <JohnFlux> apokryphos: :)
[10:08] <buz> aint got the time
[10:08] <buz> maybe next week
[10:08] <hussam> buz: I'll try it on friday.
[10:08] <JohnFlux> apokryphos: make irc friend into real life friends ;)
[10:09] <buz> friday i'll be writing my last exam then get piss drunk
[10:09] <apokryphos> JohnFlux: the other way round is more likely :P
[10:09] <JohnFlux> buz: what exam?
[10:09] <hussam> buz: college exams?
[10:10] <apokryphos> JohnFlux: I like helping people (if I can), but gets annoying when someone, for example, asks me what one command is 10 times in a week ;-). Linux isn't for everyone :)
[10:10] <buz> yes
[10:10] <buz> last for a while anyway
[10:10] <JohnFlux> apokryphos: it annoys me that you should ever have to use the command line
[10:10] <apokryphos> JohnFlux: is it too late to book? Had a sneaking idea that I'd maybe go with my brother if I was adventurous enough
[10:10] <JohnFlux> apokryphos: most of my work in kde is to make it easier to use
[10:11] <JohnFlux> apokryphos: well its mostly for kde developers
[10:11] <apokryphos> JohnFlux: I think it would be really great to be able not to :)
[10:11] <JohnFlux> apokryphos: 4 of the days are just coding
[10:11] <apokryphos> JohnFlux: but users as well, no?
[10:11] <JohnFlux> apokryphos: the other 3 days are talks about what to do 
[10:11] <JohnFlux> apokryphos: :)
[10:11] <apokryphos> Dot article, as I recall, said all users were invited to come
[10:11] <apokryphos> heh
[10:11] <JohnFlux> apokryphos: :)  It's not too late to book
[10:11] <nikkia> JohnFlux: i hope they have the talking days first :P
[10:12] <JohnFlux> apokryphos: but you'll probably have to find your own accomodation
[10:12] <JohnFlux> nikkia: yep :)
[10:12] <JohnFlux> nikkia: :P
[10:12] <nikkia> <4 days of sollid coding> 'right this is what we want to do....' <several hundred people shout 'DOH!'>
[10:12] <apokryphos> JohnFlux: sure
[10:12] <apokryphos> haha
[10:13] <apokryphos> In recent news, a gathering of open source programmers have gone into the Guiness book of world records for the largest amount of people saying "doh" at a particular time..
[10:14] <apokryphos> JohnFlux: do you work on Kate? Trying to recall where I spoke to you before..
[10:15] <apokryphos> Hm, or Konversation..
[10:15] <hussam> buz: I think I only have to specify --enable-default-toolkit=qt  and --with-qtdir=/usr/share/qt3   in .mozconfig and deer park should build with qt
[10:15] <buz> probably
[10:16] <hussam> buz: if it works. I'll upload it somwhere.
[10:18] <JohnFlux> apokryphos: konversation mostly
[10:18] <JohnFlux> apokryphos: but I have worked on kate
[10:18] <JohnFlux> apokryphos: konqueror these days
[10:18] <JohnFlux> apokryphos: or kdevelop
[10:20] <apokryphos> JohnFlux: Heh, discursive. Yeah, it was probably #konversation.. me the annoying person reporting download problem with konvi
[10:21] <apokryphos> mostly cartman, though, I believe. Anyway..
[10:29] <cion> newbie here
[10:29] <cion> is there a way to set up drivers for a laptop on kubuntu?
[10:30] <cion> i'm kinda disappointed of kubuntu
[10:33] <jpatrick> I love Kubuntu
[10:34] <nikkia> i love this song :P
[10:40] <apokryphos> Is [K] ubuntu that bad for laptops? Have it on one other computer here and never had probs; many seem to complain. Though admittedly more in Warty
[10:40] <nikkia> apok, no worse than any other, really
[10:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: knoppix perhaps includes a few more non-free wireless drivers by default, but thats about it
[10:42] <apokryphos> Yah. I guess it'll get better, as all Linux will with drivers, over time
[10:42] <apokryphos> Though setting up drivers doesn't really take me any time, while in Windows after the original installation I'd have to spend just under an hour with all the CDs
[10:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: *shrug* i thoguht that in 1994, look where we are now :/
[10:43] <nikkia> actually, the driver situation has improved since then, IF YOU STILL HAVE 1994 HARDWARE :P
[10:44] <apokryphos> nikkia: it's not that bad is it? My dad gave up with RedHat {somenumber} a couple of years ago originally because of driver incompatibility
[10:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: it is that bad, if you're not using the big name hardware
[10:44] <apokryphos> ..but we haven't had any problems, this year, really. And it's on 6 comps
[10:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: the problem is, we, as geeks, tend to buy the best hardware, or that we know is 'quality', and so we tend to use a narrow subset of the hardware, a subset that tends to have the best driver support
[10:44] <apokryphos> Apart from laptops, our hardware isn't big names though, really, at all. We build all of ours
[10:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: i don't mean the badge on the front
[10:45] <apokryphos> I guess it'd be prone to that, yeah
[10:45] <nikkia> i mean the motherboard, the video card, etc
[10:45] <apokryphos> nikkia: Probably true. Been using Gigabyte 3 times rnning ;-)
[10:46] <apokryphos> *running
[10:52] <nikkia> apokryphos: what i mean, is, we tend to go with nvidia, ati, we don't slap together machines with ProSavage, or Real256, or rubbish like that
[10:56] <nikkia> (that said, my laptop has prosavage, and yes, the linux support is appalling *shrug*)
[10:56] <apokryphos> Sure, I can understand that.
[11:00] <jpatrick> hello everyone
[11:00] <seth_k> hi
[11:01] <jpatrick> I keep getting this message: device /dev/dsp/ can't be opened (no such file......)
[11:01] <jpatrick> When I try to turn on my sound server
[11:03] <jpatrick> any ideas?
[11:05] <JohnFlux> jpatrick: what sound card?
[11:06] <jpatrick> Sound Blaster <- I can't remember the no.
[11:06] <jpatrick> It never worked on Linux
[11:06] <jpatrick> :(
[11:06] <JohnFlux> jpatrick: lspci | grep audio
[11:07] <jpatrick> I can't get that |
[11:08] <JohnFlux> what do you mean?
[11:08] <JohnFlux> you can't type the pipe symbol?
[11:08] <jpatrick> it's not on my keyboard
[11:08] <JohnFlux> lol
[11:08] <JohnFlux> lol
[11:08] <jpatrick> it is but it turns up as a ~
[11:09] <JohnFlux> try the different keys to find it
[11:09] <JohnFlux> you probably have the wrong keyboard map
[11:09] <JohnFlux> anyway, just do "lspci"  and look for the audio card
[11:09] <jpatrick> A lot of text
[11:09] <othernoob> how do you grep the motherboard with lspci?
[11:10] <JohnFlux> othernoob: the motherboard isn't a pci device
[11:10] <JohnFlux> othernoob: use dmesg 
[11:10] <othernoob> eh..yea..sorry..i meant dmesg ;) it's getting time for bed :/
[11:12] <othernoob> so how'd you do it with dmesg if you don't know what kind of motherboard you have?
[11:13] <othernoob> not that i don't know what i have..just someone earlier in #ubuntu didn't.
[11:14] <othernoob> so far the best idea i came up with is dmesg | grep detected
[11:14] <Nextor> hello. I've just installed amule and I have a problem. I cannot use the web control. Is it a common problem or only mine? (sorry for my english)
[11:16] <jpatrick> I still can't find the card...
[11:18] <jpatrick> pnp: SB audio device quirk
[11:21] <supernix>  anyways guys and gals like I was saying I sure am interested in the OpenOffice 2.0 when will the add it to the main branch so that I can install from Synaptic ?
[11:21] <supernix> I see it in Universe
[11:22] <othernoob> which version supernix
[11:22] <seth_k> you can install it from synaptic now
[11:22] <supernix> Not sure what the proper way to upgrade it since I already have 1.1.3 installed
[11:22] <supernix> I see version 2.0 
[11:22] <othernoob> is it OOo 1.9.64 ?
[11:23] <supernix> 1.9.79/2
[11:24] <othernoob> pretty outdated..and iirc, unstable
[11:24] <supernix> You mean 1.9.79.2 is the outdated version ?
[11:25] <othernoob> yes
[11:25] <supernix> seth_k:  if I install it from Synaptic will it upgrade the packages I already have ?
[11:25] <seth_k> supernix: 1.1.3 does not conflict 2.0. They would both be installed simultaneously
[11:26] <othernoob> yea, and it'd be quite a waste of space since the formats arent compatible.
[11:27] <supernix> Ok anyway to tell KDE to use it instead of 1.1.3 ?
[11:27] <othernoob> dont know, uninstalled it right away ;)
[11:28] <supernix> what formats are not compatible othernoob  ?
[11:29] <othernoob> the OOo2 -> OOo1.13
[11:29] <othernoob> not sure if OOo1.1.3 can be used by OOo2
[11:30] <othernoob> anyway, get a more uptodate deb file from here http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/
[11:30] <othernoob> you won't be happy with .79
[11:32] <othernoob> or compile it yourself ;) would only take about ~6-7hours on a P4 3.2 1GB ddr
[11:32] <gdh> it's not much faster to load :)
[11:32] <othernoob> heh..that depends on your connection ;)
[11:33] <gdh> I mean to load once it's a series of compiled binaries in /usr/bin
[11:33] <othernoob> oh..that's what you meant ;)
[11:33] <gdh> I'll happily do bandwidth pen0r ratings tho :)
[11:33] <othernoob> lol
[11:34] <gdh> I can download the whole of the internet and internet2 before I even start, etc.
[11:34] <othernoob> you wanna trade connections or somthing? :D
[11:34] <gdh> and I send it all to /dev/null just because I can :)
[11:34] <gdh> mind, that's probably the best place for most of it.
[11:35] <othernoob> sure, just keep the porn :p
[11:38] <jpatrick> Some here know what Crossfire is?
[11:38] <othernoob> something you better not end up in?
[11:39] <jpatrick> ?
[11:39] <supernix> GOD 6-7 hours on a p4 to compile
[11:39] <jpatrick> I saw it in Kynaptic
[11:39] <supernix> That sure does seem like a long time
[11:39] <jpatrick> othernoob: LOL
[11:40] <supernix> othernoob: what problems did you have with the .79 version that made you uninstall so quickly
[11:40] <supernix> ?
[11:41] <supernix> pretty large file 101mb
[11:41] <othernoob> it crashed when i wanted to print. couldnt recover the file i just created. couldn't open files i had created with a lower version before on FC3. crashed when i wanted to save. crashed when i wanted to open a new file. crashed when i copied lines from another txt file into it......
[11:42] <othernoob> it crashed when i added a picture to the text...
[11:42] <othernoob> it was useless
[11:42] <The_Vox> anybody seen firefox 1.0.5 debs yet anywhere?
[11:42] <othernoob> supernix it wouldn't be smaller if you got it via kynaptic ;)
[11:45] <supernix> wow I don't blame you there I would uninstall as well. I did try OO 1.9.76 on XP and it worked great. thought I might have the same experience on Linux as well
[11:51] <othernoob> yea i was going to compile it then, but found the site i gave you.
[11:51] <othernoob> and 15 mins downloading seemed a better deal ;)
[11:59] <TestMAD> noob in serious need of help here
[11:59] <TestMAD> i got the nvidia drivers i need burnt to a cd.
[11:59] <TestMAD> and it says i need to be logged in as root to install them
[11:59] <TestMAD> what do i do?
[11:59] <crimsun> use sudo
[12:00] <TestMAD> sudo?
[12:00] <apokryphos> !rootsudo
[12:00] <ubotu> rootsudo is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:01] <TestMAD> iok..will try that
[12:01] <TestMAD> thnx
[12:02] <TestMAD> i didnt think it was going to be so hard to install nvidia drivers
[12:02] <TestMAD> i gots a headache
[12:02] <TestMAD> brb..hoopefully it works