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| mgalvin | hey guys, does tomcat run on top of gcj/gij | 05:30 |
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| mgalvin | if so will there be a tomcat package for breezy | 05:31 |
| jbailey | None of the Free VMs have a working security manager. | 05:32 |
| jbailey | So the problem is that it *could* work, but you don't have any of the usual safety guarantees of Java. | 05:32 |
| mgalvin | ah i c | 05:34 |
| mgalvin | thnx | 05:35 |
| wasabi_ | that's not what's holding it back | 05:44 |
| wasabi_ | We just need tomcat 5 packages. | 05:44 |
| wasabi_ | it runs fine (- security manager) | 05:44 |
| wasabi_ | tomcat4 makes use of com.sun classes which are not in free JVMs | 05:44 |
| mgalvin | wasabi_ are there plans for getting tomcat5 packages into breezy? | 05:49 |
| wasabi_ | I doubt we'll make breezy. | 05:51 |
| wasabi_ | In fact, we won't. | 05:51 |
| wasabi_ | Probably breezy +1 though | 05:51 |
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| jbailey | wasabi_: Well, I wasn't mentioning the state of the packaging so much as why you shouldn't do it even if you can right now. | 06:02 |
| wasabi_ | ahh, the security manager really isn't that big of a deal except for ISVs | 06:37 |
| jbailey | How do you figure? | 06:38 |
| wasabi_ | The security manager protects you from code you yourself choose to run. | 06:38 |
| wasabi_ | So does running as another user. | 06:38 |
| wasabi_ | Or... more than likely, you should run code you don't trust anywa.s | 06:39 |
| jbailey | Can tomcat easily run different apps as different users now? Last I checked it was a big monolith. | 06:39 |
| wasabi_ | Well, that is true. | 06:39 |
| wasabi_ | But it's not something the security manager is going to help with, except in the case where you are running untrusted software | 06:40 |
| wasabi_ | (ISV) | 06:40 |
| wasabi_ | maybe I mean ASP instead. | 06:40 |
| wasabi_ | (ASP) | 06:40 |
| jbailey | IT people shouodn't trust their vendor's software either. | 06:40 |
| wasabi_ | I mean, php doesn't even have a CONCEPT of a security manager | 06:40 |
| wasabi_ | and people get by fine with it | 06:40 |
| wasabi_ | Or cgi. | 06:40 |
| jbailey | Well, you at least have safe_mode with php | 06:40 |
| mgalvin | oh, also what about the firefox java plugin? right now the sun jre 1.5 is required for that. is there an open source alt for this? if not will gjc/gij and jre co-exists peacefully? | 06:41 |
| jbailey | And most ISPs I know don't do cgi anymore because they got tired of getting hacked. | 06:41 |
| wasabi_ | heh. | 06:41 |
| jbailey | mgalvin: gcjwebplugin - see above warnings. | 06:41 |
| wasabi_ | yeah the security manager matters big time for the web plugin | 06:41 |
| mgalvin | thanks guys! | 06:42 |
| wasabi_ | Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to downplay the security maanger for tomcat. | 06:43 |
| wasabi_ | It's just not what's holding us back from packaging it. | 06:43 |
| jbailey | Right. We're talking different sides of the problem. | 06:43 |
| wasabi_ | avdyk has tomcat 5 packages in experimental now I believe. | 06:43 |
| wasabi_ | But they don't run. | 06:43 |
| wasabi_ | They need some work. | 06:43 |
| jbailey | I haven't mentioned packages anywhere here. =) | 06:43 |
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| wasabi_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EclipsePlatform | 10:46 |
| wasabi_ | I need to relearn wiki formatting and stuff unfortunatly. | 10:46 |
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| wasabi_ | Just trying to shine some light on the pieces, where they live. | 10:47 |
| wasabi_ | Eventually I will get packaging policy up | 10:47 |
| wasabi_ | For plugins and other components. | 10:47 |
| jbailey | I spent a bit of time this morning and will spend more later looking at doing the jar splitting on ppc | 10:47 |
| wasabi_ | Jar splitting? | 10:47 |
| wasabi_ | Whatcha mean? | 10:47 |
| wasabi_ | What needs to be split? | 10:47 |
| jbailey | To work around a ppc bug with gcj | 10:56 |
| jbailey | Their aot-compile-rpc will split the jars automatically for compiling on pppc | 10:57 |
| jbailey | s/rpc/rpm | 10:57 |
| wasabi_ | what's wrong with it on ppc? | 11:07 |
| wasabi_ | Is it just that one of the jars don't work on ppc? | 11:07 |
| wasabi_ | Could just exclude it. I've done that to a few that don't work. No biggy. | 11:08 |
| jbailey | It's in your backlog on #gcj from a couple days ago. There's a bug in gcc. | 11:13 |
| jbailey | One of the RTL passes doesn't do what it should do. | 11:13 |
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