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SeveasIcemanV9, ah12:00
IcemanV9HaroldJohnson: maybe that's why .. no signal for you to test it12:00
naliotheliUbuntu: i'm not familiar with all the fancy multiplexed commands12:00
eliUbuntuok,12:00
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IcemanV9Seveas: i am using madwifi as well12:00
SeveasHaroldJohnson, are you using the GUI tools for networking or the command line?12:00
Troy_McClureSeveas, i did both those commands12:00
HaroldJohnsonIcemanV9, I did all this earlier at an Internet cafe, and could not get it going.12:00
eliUbuntuhda 3 though is the hard linux drive =\12:00
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SeveaseliUbuntu, that's ok12:00
HaroldJohnsonSeveas, I prefer the command line.12:00
spermie_411hey i forgot how to copy files over with ssh, is it something like: cp /home/josh/Desktop/cedegawhatever spermie@ip: /home/spermie/Desktop12:00
SeveaseliUbuntu, it should be errors=remount-ro :)12:01
IcemanV9HaroldJohnson: right now, i am at the library using their wireless service12:01
cmathesonspermie_411: scp12:01
eliUbuntuwhew....12:01
HaroldJohnsonIcemanV9, Great, that's fantastic.12:01
knoppixso know one uses vmware ?12:01
SeveasHaroldJohnson, good, I like that attitude, makes it easier to debug :)12:01
eliUbuntuthanks seveas12:01
HaroldJohnsonIcemanV9, Wish I could do the same.12:01
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knoppixwith ubuntu ?12:01
eliUbuntunalioth: i will update you how the program works in a minute. getting ready to umount12:01
IcemanV9Seveas: any suggestion?12:01
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eliUbuntucorrect command? -> umount hda# ?12:02
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HaroldJohnsonEveryone: I'm just so frustrated at this process.  Ubuntu has the most awesome support channel I've ever been in, but I'm very frustrated with getting this last stage going: my Internet access.12:02
SeveasHaroldJohnson, if you: iwconfig ath0 essid any && iwconfig ath0 enc open     then it should pick up any open network12:02
HaroldJohnsonSeveas, Okay, I'll try that again.12:02
naliotheliUbuntu: sudo umount /dev/hd*12:02
SeveasHaroldJohnson, you can see whether it has picked ot by typing iwconfig ath012:02
tiglionabbithey guys, what do I put in my fstab options to mount a device so that it belongs to nick(1000) ?12:02
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knoppixhello12:03
SeveasHaroldJohnson, one more thing: some notebooks have a wifi button, this sometimes has to be enabled to be used12:03
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zutiivoks :)12:03
SeveasHaroldJohnson, if iwlist ath0 scan shows networks it is enabled12:03
Troy_McClure!ati12:03
ubotuwell, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto12:03
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spermie_411cmatheson, Wow scp =) that one letter was my headache12:03
knoppixso should i forget about using vmware and ubuntu12:03
knoppixand just install it ?12:03
Seveastiglionabbit, uid=1000,gid=10012:03
eliUbuntunalioth: and then remount yes?12:03
HaroldJohnsonSeveas, This is a PowerBook (Mac), so it doesn't have a wifi button.12:03
Seveastiglionabbit, works only on ntfs/fat12:03
cmathesonspermie_411: ;)12:03
SeveasHaroldJohnson, ok, that's one pain in the a** less12:04
tiglionabbitSeveas: why gid=100 ?12:04
naliotheliUbuntu: yes, sudo mount /dev/hd*12:04
eliUbuntuok12:04
Seveastiglionabbit, because i missed a 0 there12:04
XRayNukeHaroldJohnson: you're using a CardBus WiFi card, right?12:04
knoppixyes ?12:04
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HaroldJohnsonSeveas, I'm not certain iwlist ath0 scan is displaying networks.12:04
knoppixhey yawner12:04
dh0i want /dev/lirc to be linked to the real file /dev/lirc0 how do i do that in a lasting way?12:04
Seveastiglionabbit, it should be gid=100012:04
Yawnerhello12:04
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HaroldJohnsonXRayNuke, Yes, a D-Link12:04
tiglionabbitSeveas: o, thank you12:04
knoppixdo you use vmware by any chance ?12:04
SeveasHaroldJohnson, does it give any output?12:04
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HaroldJohnsonSeveas, Yes - what should I be looking for?12:05
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Seveaswell, if it doesn't say 'no networks found' or something like that it's working :)12:05
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eliUbuntunalioth: didnt work, there is some text on the error? how do i use the #flood command?12:05
Seveasit should give about 10-20 lines of information per network12:05
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tiglionabbitSeveas: yay thanks12:06
HaroldJohnsonSeveas, Yes, but when I test it by running the command "ping google.com", it returns "ping: unknown host google.com"12:06
SeveasHaroldJohnson, you need to associate to a network first12:06
naliotheliUbuntu: you open a new channel window for #flood or use a pastebin (see the /topic)12:06
SeveasHaroldJohnson, that is done with iwconfig12:06
HaroldJohnsonSeveas, What is that process?12:06
knoppixvmware12:06
tiglionabbiteliUbuntu: #flood is a channel, not a command.  You join it, tell people you're going there, and then paste things there.  Use a pastebin though, it's better12:06
SeveasHaroldJohnson, if you: iwconfig ath0 essid any && iwconfig ath0 enc open     then it should pick up any open network12:07
HaroldJohnsonSeveas, I've read the man, by the way, and it's not very newbie-friendly.12:07
hd420bloody ubuntu12:07
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eliUbuntu!pastebin12:07
uboturumour has it, pastebin is at http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood12:07
SeveasHaroldJohnson, indeed12:07
HaroldJohnsonSeveas, Yet it's not.12:07
Seveas!forget pastebin12:07
ubotuSeveas: i forgot pastebin12:07
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knoppixso is ubuntu worth trying out ?12:07
aptlovergum12:07
knoppixam i wasting my time12:07
Seveasubotu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood12:07
ubotuSeveas: okay12:07
tiglionabbitknoppix: yes12:07
knoppixcool12:07
tiglionabbitknoppix: especially if you just use a knoppix live cd12:07
hd420knoppix: depends on what sort of person you are12:08
knoppixi'm trying to get in on my vmware12:08
bungopolisknoppix -- what kind of answer do you expect with that question in this room?12:08
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SeveasHaroldJohnson, is it ok if I talk to you in private, it's a bit busy in here12:08
HaroldJohnsonSeveas, So that's that.12:08
HaroldJohnsonSeveas, Yes, absolutely.12:08
aptlovergho do i know the package version of gaim I can get over apt?12:08
nxv_which ident server is preferred with postgresql in ubuntu?12:08
knoppixbut for some reason i'm getting an error12:08
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knoppixi went on the wiki and followed the instructions12:08
aptlovergapt-cache gaim -?12:08
tiglionabbitwell ubuntu has been the top pagerank on distrowatch for the last 6 months, I think it must be pretty popular12:08
eliUbuntunalioth: here is what is the error states: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/31217112:08
aptloverganyone quick comand line quote?12:09
knoppixbut when i try to sudo ./runme.pl12:09
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hd420apt is still less than forgiving when you make changes yourself12:09
tiglionabbiteliUbuntu: read what it says, your device is mounted and it tells you where12:09
knoppixi get this :12:09
aptlovergapt-cache gaim -what--version bla?12:09
knoppixUnable to open the installer database /etc/vmware/locations in read-mode.12:09
knoppixExecution aborted.12:09
hd420which is the problem i'm having at present12:09
eliUbuntui did read it. i tried to umount it and remount12:09
aptlovergcan anyone hear? me?12:09
XRayNukeQuestion: I'm trying to boot from a USB external hard drive on a ThinkPad right now. It Ubuntu set GRUB up to boot with "quiet splash",12:09
naliotheliUbuntu: is hda5 mounted at /dev/hda5?12:09
tiglionabbitaptloverg: yes, we can hear you.  I have no idea what you're talking about though.  Generally I'd say "apt-cache search"12:10
XRayNukeand i've turned that off. how do I slow down the boot info so I can see why it's failing?12:10
dmkapt-cache showpkg gaim12:10
aptlovergyaay cool im not blocked or somthing :D12:10
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dmkshow sorry12:10
bungopolisaptloverg: try apt-cache show gaim | grep Version12:10
dmkapt-cache show12:10
eliUbuntuno hda5 is mounted as /media/winlin12:10
hd420any apt gurus up for a challenge?12:10
johi i have problem with X,how can i change from console resolution ?12:11
aptlovergbungopolis: :D ok12:11
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tiglionabbithd420: challenging?12:11
jeanluchi12:11
naliotheliUbuntu: so you are in business?12:11
jeanlucI need a lot of help12:11
benjaminwris there anything in the bios that might be preventing me from writting the MBR of my hard disks?12:11
eliUbuntulol, nope in astronomy12:11
spermie_411i got this cedega tgz file on my desktop, but not sure how to install it? Noob<~~ sorry for these dumb questin12:11
jeanlucI have tried mp3's in every media player and installed gstreamer mad but no mp3s is working but .wav works so can some one help me play mp312:11
spermie_411i think its sudo cp /home/spermie/Desktop/cedega_4.3-1.i386.tgz12:11
tiglionabbitspermie_411: if it's .tgz, it's probably meant for slackware12:11
hd420tiglion: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/53012:11
sam_are there any stats for which of ubuntu and kubuntu is the more downloaded/popular one?12:11
XRayNukebenjaminwr: Yes. Turn off boot sector virus protection if you can find it.12:12
hd420see if u can make heads from tails out of that one12:12
mumblesnother questio from me.. whats the linux flight sim game ending in x11 ?12:12
bungopolisI'm currently using Totem as my media player, but I would like an in-browser media player. The only ones I can see are mozilla-mplayer and mozilla-plugin-vlc -- which one is reccomended? I've used mozilla-mplayer on another machine and it's a bit buggy.12:12
benjaminwri cant see it in the bios menu12:12
dmkno, cedega just name their tar.gz files tgz12:12
benjaminwris that ever implemented as a jumper?12:12
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XRayNukebenjaminwr: not that I've ever heard of...12:12
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tiglionabbithd420: wow, that's fun12:12
XRayNukebenjaminwr: what options do you have?12:12
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benjaminwri can't find boot sector virus protection12:13
aptlovergbungopolis: show is the thing i wasn't aware off :D12:13
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dmkthats me off now, take it easy everyone12:13
bungopolisaptloverg: you could also use the synaptic package manager to see it12:13
benjaminwrand there doesn't seem to be anything else to secure MBR in my bios settings12:13
jeanlucI have tried mp3's in every media player and installed gstreamer mad but no mp3s is working but .wav works so can some one help me play mp312:13
naliotheliUbuntu: your drives are mounted successfully?12:13
benjaminwrbut I can't install grub12:13
spermie_411tiglionabbit woulnt alian change it to a deb.?12:13
hd420tiglion: you up for trying to solve it?12:14
tiglionabbitbungopolis: it is possible to use totem or xine using a special firefox addon.  There's something in the forums about that, I'll find it for you12:14
benjaminwrafter installing it reboots to nothing12:14
aptlovergbungopolis: just wanted the skill12:14
aptlovergchears12:14
bungopolisjeanluc: have you installed the gstreamer0.8-mad plugin?12:14
jeanlucyes12:14
XRayNukebenjaminwr: Most recent BIOSes don't have boot sector protection. If you can't find it, it'12:14
bungopolissorry, package not plugin12:14
XRayNuke's probably not there.12:14
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eliUbuntunalioth: im gonna reboot. the /media/winlin mount on hda5 was done through fstab on boot. maybe rebooting will help. plus now mount umout says hda5 is mounted multiple times12:14
aptlovergbungopolis: um you couldn't help me trouble shot a sound card?12:14
benjaminwrXrayNuke its a new computer has asus a8n-sli deluxe mobo12:15
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eliUbuntuwill be back in few minutes12:15
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bungopolistiglionabbit: thanks12:15
bungopolisaptloverg: what's the problem?12:15
tiglionabbitbungopolis: well, I would, if i could connect to ubuntuforums at the moment...  it's...  slow12:15
XRayNukebenjaminwr: yeah, that doesn't have it, it's waaaay too new. My girlfriend has one of those. It's a pretty sweet mobo.12:15
ablysshey guys.. do i have to reboot after updating my kernel image?12:15
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naliotheliUbuntu: will be here when you return12:15
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bungopolistiglionabbit: yeah it's not loading at all for me right now either12:15
acid2Does anyone know how to connect to a :sserver: with cvs?12:15
eliUbuntuk12:15
XRayNukebenjaminwr: You sure the hard drive is good?12:15
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acid2im getting "unknown method"12:15
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sizzamubuntuforums.org  borked?12:16
benjaminwrtried with three different ones12:16
tiglionabbitbungopolis: I personally just installed mplayer-586 and mozilla-mplayer, and w32codecs.  That took care of my browsing needs12:16
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XRayNukebenjaminwr: Curious. Do you have another machine you could use to install Grub?12:16
dylan_still having problems getting java to work12:16
benjaminwrmmm12:16
bungopolisok, that's what I have on my old system, but i wasnt totally happy with mozilla-mplayer (sometimes the video would be masked off, and the UI sucks)12:16
ablysswhys that dylan_12:16
naliothdylan_: r u on an x86 version of ubuntu?12:16
benjaminwrcan I install grub to a USB drive12:16
benjaminwr??12:16
XRayNukeyeah12:17
osityive got ubuntu installed...how do i raid my other 2 matching drives?12:17
dylan_yes im on the pressed CD x86 version...i dont know why. ive followed EVERYONE's directions.  it just doesn't work12:17
benjaminwrhow would I go about doing that12:17
tiglionabbitdylan_: how did you install it?  The easiest way is by adding hoary-extras to your sources.list and then getting sun-j2sdk1.512:17
hd420tig: any ideas?12:17
dylan_i tried doing that12:17
XRayNukein fact, i'm trying to un%&^*$ an Ubuntu install on a USB drive right now, so I don't recommend that12:17
bungopolistiglionabbit: only really need the jre, not the sdk12:17
dylan_wait, how do i enable hoary-extras12:17
tiglionabbitbungopolis: okay, sun-j2re1.512:17
tiglionabbitbungopolis: same repo12:17
ablyssdylan_: where is your java installed at?12:17
tiglionabbit!sources12:17
ubotufrom memory, sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories12:17
dylan_i don't know12:18
Troy_McClurehow hard is it to install a better file browser into ubuntu? i used to use natiullus and i liked that12:18
aptlovergbungopolis: I don't know just know sound, where do i find what has been probed and what sound drivers a beeing used?12:18
tiglionabbitbungopolis: that wiki will show you how to add the hoary-extras repository, and the rest is just using apt or synaptic12:18
naliothTroy_McClure: try konqueror or mc12:18
ablyssdylan_: well, not knowing is a sure way of never getting it to work12:18
naliothTroy_McClure: or xffm412:18
ablyssupdatedb then type locate *java12:18
Troy_McClurekonqueror is for KDE though right?12:18
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Troy_McClurei am getting used to gnome, do not want to swithc12:18
bungopolisdylan_: sudo echo "deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse  restricted" >> /etc/apt/sources.list12:18
tiglionabbitTroy_McClure: ubuntu uses nautilus by default12:18
dylan_is there a way to do it easily, and when i mean easily i mean not with all the terribly long strings ot text to write12:18
dylan_thanks bung...12:19
tiglionabbitbungopolis: er..12:19
tiglionabbitbungopolis: sure..12:19
bungopolisyeah? what's wrong12:19
tiglionabbitbungopolis: generally, I use a real editor12:19
bungopolisbash is a real editor, tiglionabbit :)12:19
tiglionabbitbungopolis: I prefer vim12:19
dylan_ok i did  sudo echo "deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse  restricted" >> /etc/apt/sources.list  and i didnt get a message.  is that good?12:19
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Seveasdylan_, yes12:19
bungopolisdylan_ yes12:19
dylan_now what do i do?12:19
Troy_McClurewhy does it not look like the old nautillus then?12:19
dylan_apt-get update?12:19
eliUbuntunalioth: worked like a charm12:19
mumblesanyways12:20
naliotheliUbuntu: great!12:20
mumblesim off to bed12:20
bungopolisdylan_ the >> just appended that line to the end of your apt sources list (you could also have used vim or gedit or any text editor to add it yourself)12:20
eliUbuntunalioth: great program. did you write it?12:20
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mumblesnn all12:20
tiglionabbitTroy_McClure: dunno, try changing your theme, and the settings in applications -> system tools -> configuration editor12:20
naliothnope, just advised on a bit of it12:20
naliotheliUbuntu: Seveas wrote the thing12:20
bungopolisdylan_ now sudo apt-get update, and then sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.512:20
dylan_i just noticed that i already have sun-j2sdk1.512:20
eliUbuntunalioth: cheers then to your team who wrote it12:20
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jeanlucI have tried mp3's in every media player and installed gstreamer mad but no mp3s is working but .wav works so can some one help me play mp312:21
jeanlucI have tried mp3's in every media player and installed gstreamer mad but no mp3s is working but .wav works so can some one help me play mp312:21
jeanlucI have tried mp3's in every media player and installed gstreamer mad but no mp3s is working but .wav works so can some one help me play mp312:21
tiglionabbitdylan_: then you don't need to install it12:21
bungopolisjeanluc: please dont spam12:21
jeanlucsorry12:21
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jeanlucI need help with this though12:21
ablyssget in line jeanluc12:21
tiglionabbitjeanluc: does it appear to play but make no sound?  Have you tried beep-media-player?12:21
Seveasjeanluc, read the page I gave you the link to...12:21
aptlovergbye for now everyone12:21
dylan_i have j2sdk1.5 but not  the jre what is the difference12:21
jeanlucI did that12:21
jeanlucstill don't work12:21
eliUbuntuSeveas: good program you wrote - thanks12:22
XRayNukej2sdk includes the JRE12:22
tiglionabbitjeanluc: describe how it didn't work12:22
aptlovergbungopolis: thanks for the apt  show help :D12:22
ablyssjeanluc: sudo apt-get install beep-media-player12:22
jeanlucI go into beep or xmms and the other media players12:22
dylan_ok so if i already have java why doesnt it work within firefox or epiphany?12:22
jeanlucopen the mp312:22
jeanlucit shows its playing12:22
Seveasjeanluc, beep & xmms don't work by default12:22
ablyssxmms is poo poo on Gnome12:22
jeanlucbut there is no sound12:22
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bungopolisdylan_ SDK is the Software Development Kit which includes the Java Runtime Environment, but you only need the JRE unless you plan to do Java development12:22
eliUbuntudylan: it may not be linked12:22
Seveasjeanluc: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound12:22
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XRayNukedylan_: did you install a java plugin?12:22
bungopolisaptloverg: give me a sec for your sound problem12:22
jeanlucwhen I use e sound12:22
jeanlucit gives error12:22
dylan_im trying to get java to work within my browser.  firefox wont install the JRE12:23
ablyssdont use xmms12:23
acid2cvs [login aborted] : Could not open SSL certificate file '/home/acid2/.cvsSSLkeys': No such file or directory12:23
acid2What can I do about that?12:23
jeanlucCouldn't open audio.12:23
jeanlucPlease check that:12:23
jeanluc1. You have the correct output plugin selected.12:23
jeanluc2. No other programs is blocking the soundcard.12:23
jeanluc3. Your soundcard is configured properly.12:23
misfit_toycan anyone else get to ubuntuforums? it appears down to me.12:23
Seveasjeanluc: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound12:23
jeanlucis the error I get12:23
tiglionabbitjeanluc: that's what I was asking.  Okay, then it is not an mp3 issue.  If I were you, I would right-click on the volume icon and go through every device listed and turn it up, except master sound which you can turn down a bit to not break your speakers.12:23
eliUbuntudylan: firefox cannot install JRE. you have to do it through the synaptic12:23
socommdylan_: You may need a link to the plugin from firefox's plugin directory.12:23
tiglionabbitjeanluc: also, this forum post helped me get sound working a little better, if the forums are up12:23
dylan_ok thats what im doing, eliUbuntu. will that then work?12:23
tiglionabbit!sound12:23
ubotusound is, like, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3206312:23
Troy_McClurewhats the best linux media player?12:23
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jeanlucthere down12:23
eliUbuntudylan: it should12:24
SeveasTroy_McClure, depends on what you call best12:24
XRayNukeTroy: I favor VLC.12:24
dylan_thanks12:24
socommTroy_McClure: mplayer12:24
acid2xie12:24
naliothTroy_McClure: that is subjective12:24
acid2xine*12:24
dylan_will it work in Firefox, eliUbuntu?12:24
SeveasTroy_McClure, I prefer beep :)12:24
eliUbuntumake sure you shutdown firefox and open it again12:24
tiglionabbit!multimedia12:24
ubotu[multimedia]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia12:24
eliUbuntuonce installed12:24
ablysslinux isn't a media OS.. so they pretty much all suck12:24
dylan_great12:24
tiglionabbitthat wiki has screenshots and descriptions of many major media players12:24
Seveasablyss, nonsense...12:24
tiglionabbitablyss: ay, stfu12:24
jeanlucI used red hat12:24
ablysstruth hurts12:24
bungopolisTroy_McClure I quite like Totem, which comes with Ubuntu -- it can use either the xine or the gstreamer multimedia framework and has a nice, simple UI (I also use mplayer however)12:24
jeanlucand it played mp3 just fine12:24
dylan_i say mplayer is the best media player12:24
sizzamcan anyone get to www.ubuntuforums.org12:24
Seveasjeanluc, did you even read what I said..?12:24
socommablyss: Haha.12:25
bungopolisforums rae down sizzam12:25
Seveassizzam, no12:25
jeanlucwhat?12:25
ablysshehe12:25
bungopolisare12:25
Seveasjeanluc: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound12:25
eliUbuntuxine is the best - never had a problem with it12:25
sizzamthanks guys12:25
Troy_McClurewell on windows i use winamp so something that will make that transistion smooth12:25
naliothtiglionabbit: he's right, linux is not a 'media OS'12:25
jeanlucI changed to e sound12:25
eliUbuntufor music, movies, and so on12:25
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jeanlucbut I get this error when I play mp3's using esound output12:25
martiganwho can help me with cpu scaling for a mobile p4?12:25
jeanlucCouldn't open audio.12:25
jeanlucPlease check that:12:25
jeanluc1. You have the correct output plugin selected.12:25
jeanluc2. No other programs is blocking the soundcard.12:25
jeanluc3. Your soundcard is configured properly.12:25
dylan_ok apt just finished installing the java jre....now what should i do?  restart, log out, or just restart the browser?12:25
socommTroy_McClure: Try beep-media-player, it's a winamp clone.12:25
tiglionabbitnalioth: well, distro watch has 'top media distros' listed12:25
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bungopolisdylan_ just restart the browser12:25
dylan_k cool12:25
XRayNukerestarting the browser should do it12:25
tiglionabbitdylan_: just the browser12:25
maggotbrainacid2: you might have better luck on #cvs12:25
Seveasjeanluc, READ what people say. do NOT repeat and do NOT paste12:25
eliUbuntubungopolis: you beat me to it :)12:26
naliothtiglionabbit: hmm i wonder where the media stuff is, then12:26
decafnalioth: it's a multipourpose os and should play videos if I use it as a desktop12:26
bungopolismplayer does not support DVD menus (yet, if ever) Neither can gstreamer, which is why I like Totem with totem-xine installed instead of totem-gstreamer12:26
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ablyssi enjoyed Amaroth (spelling) for media12:26
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ablyssit was the best I tried so far12:26
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naliothdecaf: if you use an x86 arch of ubuntu, it will play most everything except current MS video trash12:26
socommbungopolis: The cvs version does not.12:26
XRayNukeVLC supports DVD menues.12:26
eliUbuntudylan: does it work now?12:27
dylan_nope12:27
bungopolissocomm the cvs version of what does not what?12:27
ablyssi'm currently using beep media player12:27
tiglionabbitTop 5 multimedia distros: GeeXboX, MoviX, dyne:bolic, AGNULA, Mediainlinux12:27
acid2maggotbrain, all seem dead there12:27
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socommbungopolis: Mplayer, earlier versions might.12:27
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dylan_what do i do?12:28
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bungopolisdecaf: you can also play win32 codecs, realplayer, quicktime ... there is really no limitation to ubuntu's multimedia capability with the right packages installed12:28
ablyssi guess I should visit OS watch more than once a year12:28
maggotbrainacid2: ah, i've only worked with pserver and ext with cvs, so I can't be of much help...12:28
acid2np12:28
decafbungopolis: I have right packages installed :)12:28
tiglionabbit!multimedia12:28
uboturumour has it, multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia12:28
acid2im gonna idle there12:28
tiglionabbitablyss: if you visit it now, you'll see Ubuntu has been the top distro for a while12:29
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Troy_McClurei still can not figure out my GLX problem12:29
decafbungopolis, nalioth: ffmpeg team has a solution for ms-mpeg4.12:29
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dylan_tiglionabbit:  still doesnt work12:29
ablysstiglionabbit: :)12:29
shawarmabungopolis: DRM protected wma.. That's still a no-can-do on Ubuntu.12:29
tiglionabbitdylan_: what doesn't work?12:29
shidovlc12:29
XRayNukeI hear ffmpeg also has something going for H.264.12:30
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socommdylan_: You'll need a link to your jre plugin from firefoxes plugin dir.12:30
tiglionabbit!doesn't work12:30
ubotutiglionabbit: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about12:30
dylan_after installing the jre firefox does not accept java stuff12:30
shidouse video lan on that meda12:30
dylan_how?12:30
shidoshould play fine12:30
dylan_note: i did not change the ffx dir12:30
tiglionabbitubotu doesn't work is something you should never say.  Be more specific.12:30
ubotutiglionabbit: okay12:30
Hikaru79Is anyone else having some problems with marillat? When I try to get the newest acroread from it, it tells me: acroread:12:30
Hikaru79  Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed12:30
tiglionabbit!doesn't work12:30
bungopolisright, shawarma12:30
BurgundaviaHikaru79, don't use marilliat12:30
BurgundaviaHikaru79, use hoary-extras from the backports project12:30
ablyssbrb diinner12:30
Hikaru79Okay, Burgundavia.12:31
misfit_toycan anyone else get to ubuntuforums? it appears down to me???12:31
tiglionabbitdylan_: what do you mean?  When you go to a page with a java applet, what do you see?  Have you tried other pages?12:31
Hikaru79Do you have a URL, Burgundavia ?12:31
hd420ubuntu doesn't work12:31
hd420it's shite12:31
Troy_McClureanyone help me getting my mousewheel working?12:31
socommmisfit_toy: The forums are down.12:31
tiglionabbithd420: works for me12:31
Troy_McClure!mouse12:31
ubotuTroy_McClure: I haven't a clue12:31
Burgundaviathe actual reason is taht sarge broke compatibility with hoary just before the it released, due to some bug fixes12:31
tiglionabbit!doesn't work12:31
ubotuI heard doesn't work is something you should never say.  Be more specific.12:31
misfit_toysocomm, ok thx12:31
bungopolisaptloverg: lspci | grep audio to see if the device is being detected by the kernel12:31
eliUbuntudylan: check out this link -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java?highlight=%28java%2912:31
shawarmahd420: Huh?12:31
eliUbuntudylan: it help out12:31
hd420tig: well, care to take a crack at the issue i'm having?12:31
dylan_i get the message additional plugins required12:31
tiglionabbithd420: what, the crazy apt message?12:31
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eliUbuntumay help out <- i mean12:31
hd420tig: yea12:31
dylan_no, the ffx message12:32
hd420http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/53012:32
tiglionabbithd420: paste your sources.list please.12:32
dylan_where is that?12:32
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tiglionabbithd420: and be sure to have sudo apt-get update 'd with it12:32
deathpsykohi12:32
dylan_ooops nvmind12:32
Troy_McCluredoes amarock only work in KDE then?12:33
tiglionabbitTroy_McClure: no, you can run anything in either desktop environment12:33
deathpsykodid someone installed nvidia driver ( script from nvidia website, the latest one, not the packet ) on ubuntu amd64 ?12:33
pgidzdylan try clicking on the plug-in FAQ in ff and follow what they say to get java working12:33
hd420ok... deb ftp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse12:33
hd420deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse12:33
hd420deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse12:33
hd420## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch major bug fix updates produced12:33
hd420## after the final release of the distribution.12:33
hd420deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted12:33
hd420deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted12:33
hd420deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted universe multiverse12:33
knoppixso no one can help me with my ubuntu vmware proablem ???12:33
tiglionabbitTroy_McClure: people just avoid to sometimes because then they must install the supporting libraries for12:33
hd420deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted universe multiverse12:33
hd420sorry12:33
socommWhat the heck.12:33
tiglionabbithd420: IN A PASTEBIN12:33
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Seveasdamnit12:33
knoppixso no one can help me with my ubuntu vmware proablem ???12:33
dylan_pgidz:  i did, and they just say to use the Sun.com binary, which did not work either12:33
Seveasthey always do that when i'm away12:33
Xappehd420: stop that please, you're disturbing my idling12:34
pgidzdylan have you set up the symlink12:34
bungopolisaptloverg: lsmod | grep snd to see what sound modules have been loaded by your kernel12:34
eliUbuntuWhat creates .ICEauthority?12:34
dylan_pgidz:  dont know how12:34
deathpsykoso, did someone installed nvidia driver ( script from nvidia website, the latest one, not the packet ) on ubuntu amd64 ?12:34
tiglionabbiteliUbuntu: probably ICEwm12:34
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naliotheliUbuntu: idk, but its a pita, aint it?12:34
pgidzdylan follow what it says on the plugin site12:34
dylan_ok...12:34
eliUbuntuyep12:34
tiglionabbit!java12:34
ubotuit has been said that java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java12:34
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socommTroy_McClure: Under the InputDevice Section in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file add the following: Option ZAxisMapping "4 5".12:34
stanley1hello everyonw12:34
pgidzdylan if you have any probs ask somebody in here to help12:35
tiglionabbithd420: got that pastebin ready?12:35
dylan_i followed the wiki page but i still get the message "Additional plugins are required to view this page."12:35
stanley1is anybody willin to assist a brand new brain?12:35
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tiglionabbitstanley1: sure12:35
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eliUbuntu.ICEauthority though blocks me from loading gnome from GDM correct?12:36
socommTroy_McClure: That will enable your scroll wheel.12:36
ositycan i use the ubuntu raid tools to prepare my secondary and 3rd drive for raid 1?12:36
SeveaseliUbuntu, if it does that, log in at a console and delete that file12:36
naliotheliUbuntu: .ICEauthority can be safely deleted while at the login screen12:36
Seveasstanley1, just say what you need help with :)12:36
eliUbuntuSeveas: I have done that a few times now12:36
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SeveaseliUbuntu, but it keeps on b0rking?12:37
osityhas anyone setup raid 1 on ubuntu?12:37
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Xappehmm, i'm looking for a good calendar app that isn't evolution, any suggestions?12:37
eliUbuntuborking... eli finds himself at a loss of works... never heard of it12:37
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stanley1is anyone willing to help a braindead newbie?12:37
XRayNukeXappe: Have you tried Sunbird? It's a bit new, but it's at least up to around Palm Desktop functionality12:37
SeveaseliUbuntu, b0rking/failing/not working12:37
Seveasstanley1, just say what you need help with :)12:37
socommSeveas: Are you paid for operating #ubuntu?12:37
eliUbuntuah, sometimes.12:38
stanley1ah.. what??12:38
naliotheliUbuntu: its a known problem, i hear that nautilus changes it from rw to ro for some strange reason12:38
XappeXRayNuke: nope, thanks for the tip12:38
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SeveaseliUbuntu, maybe you run GUI programs as root?12:38
eliUbuntu... i dont know12:38
eliUbuntuthinking about it12:38
SeveaseliUbuntu, you should not do that unless the programs are designed to be able to run as root12:38
naliotheliUbuntu: which is the "root" of all evil12:38
eliUbuntui dont run as root on the terminal to initiate programs12:38
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Troy_McClureis there any way to fix that silly esd conflict with the sound driver?12:39
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osityseveas: know anyone that know how to setup raid?12:39
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stanley1well actually im tryng to install my nvidia drivers12:39
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naliotheliUbuntu: not at all, just dont run nautilus/other gui apps as root (some of them will rampage throughout your userland)12:39
eliUbuntuhmm, i did move a kernel program to usr/local/path/kernel via root12:39
Seveasosity, have you tried the wiki?12:39
SeveaseliUbuntu, with nautilus?12:40
stanley1u all must new im brand new at this and i need someone with patience12:40
LokeDKI don't know why.. but when I switch theme in gnome, the colors does not longer change? I mean the theme in the window12:40
ositySeveas: I've tried everything...12:40
osityi12:40
nomis_Traxer|off, did you try http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly ?12:40
ositywhat is wiki?>12:40
XappeXRayNuke: is that the mozilla calendar?12:40
eliUbuntunalioth: how do you run nautilus as root? i dont think i did that...12:40
naliotheliUbuntu: sudo in a terminal is ok12:40
Seveasosity, http://wiki.ubuntu.com12:40
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eliUbuntuoh... i only do root in terminal12:40
SeveaseliUbuntu, ah that's ok12:40
eliUbuntui dont know any other way to run root12:40
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Troy_McClure!sound12:40
ubotuI heard sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3206312:41
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ositythanks12:41
XRayNukeXappe: Very nearly. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird.html12:41
eliUbuntuSeveas and nalioth: thanks for the help im off to work on the computer with fingers crossed to no troubles12:41
blmartin771Thanks for all the help so far guys :)12:41
blmartin771I love ubuntu so far12:41
ositythanks!12:41
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XRayNukeXappe: supposedly it has less Netscape Bloat(TM).12:41
db2ok, so I'm installing Ubuntu, and after it tells me to remove the CD so it can reboot, it comes back, and the screen is now nothing but these weird red vertical lines, and there's no text or anything...  um. is this normal?12:41
eliUbuntuof zal ik doeg zegen ;)12:41
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naliotheliUbuntu: huh?12:42
XappeXRayNuke: ah, thanks. I was a bit worried I'd have to install the mozilla suite12:42
geocator_I just installed yesterday, one head of my vid card is garbage.  No problem will solve later, boot today, both moitors show garbage.  Nvidia 660012:42
geocator_I tried installing nvidia drivers, but the install locks up12:42
naliothXappe: you probably will have to12:42
naliothXappe: just for the gecko engine12:42
geocator_I am linux noob, please help12:42
nomis_Troy_McClure, did you try http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly ?12:43
othernoobnalioth are you familiar with printing problems?12:43
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naliothothernoob: sorry, i am not. i dont own printers nor encourage others to own them either12:43
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othernooblol12:43
socomm!ubuntuguide12:43
ubotu[ubuntuguide]  a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.12:43
naliothothernoob: however i know cups will drive most printers12:44
Seveasnomis_, that ubuntuguide item is total crap12:44
Xappenalioth: nah? as far as I can understand it's a standalone one12:44
naliothothernoob: and "man cups" will lead you to the magical URL that will allow you to configure cups12:44
Seveasit should be called configuresoundinabadandnonstandardway12:44
naliothXappe: like galeon or mozilla-firefox?12:44
othernoobnalioth: my prob is that i have a pdf with a tiny little bit of colour in it and a b/w laser printer. and it won't print it.12:44
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Xappenalioth: or thunderbird12:45
naliothothernoob: get a hammer, wave it at the printer12:45
othernooblol12:45
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naliothXappe: they all require mozilla, iirc12:45
robert__someone knows how to fix the speed problem i have when i'm ripping cd's using grip? it rips at 1.2x now, i belive its not possible to enable scsi emulation support in kernel 2.6x?12:45
Xappeno, I don't think so12:46
nomis_Seveas, it worked for me12:46
Seveasrobert__, try enabling dma12:46
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robert__Seveas: Okey, thx12:46
Seveasnomis_, that does not mean it's the correct way..12:46
decafrobert__: use cdda2wav with grip. look at it's options. if CD's are new. -P0 would be useful12:46
robert__decaf: allright, thx mate!12:47
Xappenalioth: no, I don't think so...afaik standalone means standalone12:47
nomis_Seveas, so if you know it better, .. you can help Troy_McClure out ;)12:47
naliothXappe: i wonder why when i install galeon, epiphany, etc, it always installs mozilla.. .. ..12:47
maggotbrainsunbird is a standalone calender app12:47
maggotbrainyou can use a plug-in for TBor FF with it12:48
Xappenalioth: I have both epiphany and firefox, bot not the mozilla suite12:48
Xappe*but12:48
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naliothXappe: not the suite, but you do have mozilla (i just did a apt-cache showpkg on epiphany and galeon)12:49
XRayNukeIs there something i'm missing about installing Ubuntu on an external USB hard drive? my install is failing with a "pivot_root: no such file or directory" and this is making me very sad.12:49
naliothXappe: kazehakase depends on mozilla12:49
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stimpiesomeone knows a good howto on how to install the nvidia drivers on ubuntu?12:51
naliothXRayNuke: it doesnt know how to look at the USB drive for continuing the installation12:51
nalioth!nvidia12:51
uboturumour has it, nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto12:51
XRayNukenalioth: I'm sorry, I should have been more clear, I've already installed it, it just won't boot.12:52
pagefaulthah ubotu12:52
pagefaultnice name12:52
naliothXRayNuke: so instruct your grub to look for it12:52
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HaroldJohnsonI love you all and I'm going to miss you.12:55
naliothHaroldJohnson: goin on vacation?12:55
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aruI've been searching around but cant really find a difinitive answer, does anyone know if a Netgear GA511 PC Card will work in linux?12:56
HaroldJohnsonnaliothNah, I'm just feeling crabby and frustrated.12:57
HaroldJohnsonnaliothI'm tired of all the difficulties with getting Ubuntu to do the basics.12:57
ElllisDcan someone here please tell me either how i got banned from the channel i ought to direct the next question, which is how can I get a live cd in ramdisk to bring hda4's /home up into ram, too12:57
HaroldJohnsonnaliothThough it's probably because I'm on a PowerPC.12:57
Troy_McClure!ati12:58
ubotufrom memory, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto12:58
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XRayNukenalioth: GRUB is loading and starting the kernel. It looks like it's dying partway through the init process.12:58
naliothXRayNuke: well sounds like hte kernel isnt usb aware12:58
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naliothXRayNuke: or something12:59
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eliUbuntunalioth: how do i access the vfat drive from the terminal?01:00
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XRayNukenalioth: it's the default kernel from the 5.04 x86 install CD. a few lines before it dies, it shows "Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...", "usb-core: registered new driver usb-storage", "USB Mass Storage support registered"01:01
XappeXRayNuke: hmm, can't find any source for compiling Sunbird, i'm on ppc01:01
aru!netgear01:01
ubotuBugger all, i dunno, aru01:01
arudarn01:01
naliotheliUbuntu: "cd /media/whatever_you_named_dev/hda5"01:01
eliUbuntuk, thanks01:02
XappeXRayNuke: nm, think I found it01:02
nxv_i cant get posgresql to work with ident identification01:03
XRayNukeXappe: Sunbird's a bit new. You have to manually pull it out of CVS, I think. Instructions here: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird_build.html01:03
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XRayNukexappe: i can verify (at least on Windows and FreeBSD) that once you get it going it does work nicely01:03
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nxv_i tried several ident servers but cant get any to work with postgres01:03
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wdsldo anyone know kanotix and the radeon-installer.sh? is there a simialar thing in ubuntu?01:04
Hikaru79Are the Ubuntu Forum servers down for anyoneelse?01:04
dizzieWhats the filesize limit on vfat(fat32) ?01:04
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Hikaru79dizzie, 2 GB01:04
Hikaru79I'm pretty certain01:04
naliothdizzie: 4gb01:04
wdslme too01:04
lcharly_TheOnehow can i configure a DHCP conection in the console01:04
naliothHikaru79: i remember because you can almost fit a dvd image on it <almost>01:05
twisted_steelHikaru79: can't get to the forums either :(01:05
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Hikaru79Ah, I see.01:05
wdsl#linux01:05
dizzie4gb >_< how on earth can i transfer 4.3 GB iso images to a extern hdd then, dont say ext3 he doesnt have Linux :)01:05
XappeXRayNuke: at least I have something to do getting it up and running :)01:05
XRayNukethere are ext2/3 drivers for Windows.01:06
naliothdizzie: NTFS01:06
naliothdizzie: thats right, there is ext2/3 drivers for win2k and xp01:06
Hikaru79There's a very good one that has full read/write access and complete windows explorer integration01:06
dizzientfs and samba then :)01:07
tigliona1bitXRayNuke: really?  how?01:07
dizziecba trying to tell him why his disk got ext3 fs :)01:07
othernoobdoes anyone know a prog to manipulate pdf files?01:07
maggotbrainlcharly_TheOne: try dhclient01:07
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lsuactiafnerothernoob : pdf2html01:08
lsuactiafnerand html2pdf..01:08
naliothothernoob: i know how to do it, i just cant say it right now01:08
lsuactiafneri suppose.01:08
lcharly_TheOnethanks01:08
naliothothernoob: search synaptic for 'pdf'01:08
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lsuactiafnerpee dee eff01:09
othernoobnalioth, i searched. didn't find anything01:09
lsuactiafneranyone here play ut2004 on nix?01:09
naliothothernoob: search "pkg names and contents"01:09
lsuactiafneri get crashes often, updating to latest patches but it takes ages to download 90mb01:09
othernooblsuactiafner: I've seen pdf2html..but i don't want to convert it to manipulate it01:09
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lsuactiafnerothernoob : pdf is like a zip, not too easy to just manipulate it and expect it to work afterwards...01:10
lsuactiafnerimho01:10
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othernooblsuactiafner: all i need to do is to make everything black, instead of a few lines in colour, so i can print it.01:11
naliothlsuactiafner: there are pdf tools for linux01:11
lsuactiafnermy eyes hurt from ut200401:11
naliothlsuactiafner: pdf IS and open source format01:11
lsuactiafnerothernoob : just print it with the setting 'black+white only'01:11
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lsuactiafnernalioth : yeh but aint it encoded funnyly so its diffcult to change things?01:12
naliothlsuactiafner: not if it isnt "locked'01:12
othernooblsuactiafner: if i had found that option,i wouldn't be here ;)01:12
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lsuactiafnerothernoob : just drain the colour ink...01:13
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ed1tthe forums are dead?01:13
lsuactiafnerexcept for green and prink on yellow paper01:13
eyequeueare there any currently-wprking backports mirrors?01:13
pgidzothernoob try pdftk01:13
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eyequeueed1t:  here as well :(01:13
othernooblsuactiafner: and where?01:13
alxwindguys, how can i install a program from tar.gz?01:14
eyequeueis the mirrormax site up?01:14
mpmcIs there anyway,  I can Mix. all audio into one output instead of lots?01:14
lsuactiafnerhey?01:14
othernoobpgidz: i did, didn't really work01:14
pgidzothernoob ok01:14
alxwindi extraxted the archive and tried to run install.pl but nothing is happening01:14
lsuactiafneri'm not really in the mood to help as much as i am in the mood to comment on things i dont know anything about01:14
alxwindwhat should i do?01:14
decafalxwind: of course you can. make sure there is no package available for that app. if not, learn to use 'checkinstall'01:15
eyequeueor are there any other currently-working backports mirrors?01:15
medgnoalxwind, you check to see if it's on the ubuntu servers. It's tricky installing a .tar.gz file01:15
lsuactiafneralxwind : perl install.pl01:15
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naliothothernoob: open a terminal and type "apt-cache search pdf" and see all the pdf tools available01:16
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lsuactiafnermedgno : it not tricky01:16
naliothalxwind: in most archives is a README or INSTALL text file to read01:16
lsuactiafnertar -zxf file.tar.gz ; cd file- ; ./configure ; make ; make install01:17
naliothlsuactiafner: be nice01:17
medgnolsuactiafner, if you want to install it globally, and make sure it won't interfere with upgrades, a .deb is much nicer01:17
alxwindthanks, perl install.pl helped me ;)01:17
lsuactiafneryeh and the ReADMe and INSTALL shoufl guide you01:17
misfit_toyman, why do the ubuntuforums go down so often?01:17
naliothlsuactiafner: 'easy' for you, may seem be unknown to hte next user01:17
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lsuactiafnerso how you doin nalioth?01:19
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othernoobnalioth: i already did, doctools might sound like the only prog.01:19
naliothlsuactiafner: keepin busy01:19
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mbirkisi have a web server standing behind a router... and i need ddclient to get the dynamic internet ip from the router to use instead of the local ip it gets from use=if, if=wlan0? can anyone help me with this?01:20
dylan_i find the program elinks pretty useless.  is there any use to it at all?01:21
alxwindWhat is the location of the directory of C header files that match my running kernel?01:22
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alxwindor how to install it?01:22
medgnodylan_, I've more than a few times had use for a text-mode webbrowser01:22
alxwindhoary 5.0401:22
lsuactiafneralxwind : /usr/src/linux/  and apt-get install kernel-headers or something01:22
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ubuntuI've just started using Ubuntu from the Live CD, and I was wondering how I would save my personal files from my Mandrake installation if I install Ubuntu as my Linux version. I know to backup the files, like my e-mail and the rest but will I be able to insert the e-mail back into the Ubuntu mail program afterwards?01:23
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eyequeuedylan_:  it is useful for reading web pages01:23
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lsuactiafnerlynx is also very usefull...01:24
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lsuactiafner1/4 of my browsin is with lynx01:24
dylan_yeah...hey is it true that linux has no viruses or spyware, as is claimed on the back of the pressed CD case?01:24
cafuegodylan_: Yeah, it's got worms, though ;-)01:25
eyequeueubuntu:  don't overwrite the /home partition, and considering backing up /var/mail/$USER or /var/spool/mail/$USER for later reuse01:25
lsuactiafnerdylan_ : yeh01:25
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lsuactiafnerdylan_ : even running a virus on purpose with wine doesnt work..01:25
dylan_thats funny01:25
dylan_cafuego says there are worms that are for linux...what is the probability of me getting one of those01:26
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cafuegodylan_: You need to do pretty stupid stuff to get your nameserver infected though. (Like deliverately run an old version).01:26
cafuegodylan_: You're not at risk if you just use your machine as a user.01:26
dylan_so even a linux noob like me won't get hit with a virus or spyware, or even a worm?01:26
dylan_im only running on linux as my name, not root01:27
HrdwrBoBno, you won't01:27
cafuegodylan_: viruses, worms and trojans are not an issue, then.01:27
HrdwrBoBjust keep up to date with your security patches to be sure01:27
dylan_is the same true for a Mac?  im almost done funding for a new one01:27
ubuntuNewbie question:  I'm running the Live CD, but if I do a full install, can I use my existing Linux partitions?01:27
Velcancan anyone tell me how to enable ssl for mail-notification? it doesnt say in the man ...01:27
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Ziggityhi. what options are available for c/c++ development on Ubuntu - looking for stuff with RAD tools for a beginer,,--01:27
lsuactiafnerdylan_ : if you want to live on the edge browse as root.. dont tho.01:28
KyralRAD?01:28
dylan_gcc01:28
tigliona1bitZiggity: there's gcc and vim01:28
cafuegodylan_: Essentially the same is true for Macs yes. Although they _are_ vulnerable to MS Office Macro viruses01:28
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KyralZiggity, Anjuta01:28
dylan_thanks guysx01:28
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Ziggitytigliona1bit,  : does this have a GUI designer01:28
cafuego(if you run msoffice on them, anyway)01:28
eyequeueubuntu:  one, the livecd soedn't install, you'll need an install cd for that.  two, if you select an "expert" install, you can partition any way you like01:28
tigliona1bitZiggity: perhaps, but you don't need much more than a text editor and a compiler to program C01:29
strugglerany gotchas when installing debian libc6 on hoary?01:29
ubuntuI have the install CD01:29
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ZiggityKyral,  I have heard of Anjuta, but cannot find how to use version 2 . I tried version 1.5 but it failed to 'make ' the project from the wizard01:29
eyequeueubuntu:  at the prompt, type expert and press enter01:29
tigliona1biteyequeue: you don't need to do that01:29
alxwind 2lsuactiafner apt-get install kernel-headers doesn't work01:29
tigliona1biteyequeue: it lets you partition your own way anyway01:29
tigliona1biteyequeue: I don't recommend him doing an expert install.  He might mess up sudo01:30
eyequeuetigliona1bit:  the default allows partioning and reuse, i've never touched it, too little control for my tastes01:30
alxwind2lsuactiafner it says thatit has no installation candidate01:30
lsuactiafneralxwind : thats why i said something like that01:30
Ziggitytigliona1bit,  : I'm not that good yet.. and a little lazy :-) I've done some stuff in VB + c# on MS and was wondering if there are similar tools01:30
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mbirkisis there any program i can install to check if a remote webpage is up or not, perhaps with statistics?01:30
lsuactiafneralxwind : linux-kernel-headers01:30
tigliona1biteyequeue: what?  The default allows you to do all partitioning tasks, including resizing of other partitions01:30
eyequeuetigliona1bit:  the default allows partioning and reuse, ... s/,/?/ rather01:30
eyequeuetigliona1bit:  the default allows partioning and reuse*?* i've never touched it, too little control for my tastes01:30
Will_mbirkis: wget --spider ?01:30
rainingzigzagsanyone know where i can download addons for gdesklets?01:30
Will_rainingzigzags: google gdesklets.01:31
dylan_will Wine run the Sims?01:31
rainingzigzagsi tryed that01:31
mbirkisWill_: what will that do?01:31
lsuactiafnermbirkis : use your browser, or ping hostname, or nmap -sS -P0 -p 8001:31
alxwind2lsuactiafner now it says it's already installed01:31
rainingzigzagscame up empty handed01:31
lsuactiafnerbut dont nmap a host unless you have permission01:31
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Will_mbirkis: Spider the page. do a 'man wget' then read through01:31
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alxwind2lsuactiafner but where are it's files?01:31
Will_You could script it easily01:31
alxwind2lsuactiafner in what directory?01:31
strugglerdoes anyone know of any problems using a debian libc6 on hoary?01:32
lsuactiafneralxwind : then it is already installed.. /usr/src/linux i believe, i make my own kernels so i wont know01:32
Ziggityrainingzigzags, :  http://ubuntuguide.org/#gdesklets01:32
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lsuactiafnerbut inside /usr/src/ somewhere..01:32
mbirkislsuactiafner: can i use nmap for a week without hogging bandwith or resources?01:32
eyequeuealxwind:  dpkg -L linux-kernel-headers | less01:32
alxwindwow, thanks a lot01:32
ksmurfCan anyone point me in the direction of a good how to for nessus install other than the starterguide?  The plugin update does not seem to be working right and the english forums are down01:33
alxwind/usr/include/linux01:33
rainingzigzagsty ziggity01:33
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lsuactiafnermbirkis : what do you want to do really? nmap would only tell you if port 80 is up, ping would tell if you if the host is up, but using a browser is better01:33
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Ziggityrainingzigzags,   : u welcome01:33
karljpanyone know how to get a screencap of the whole screen?01:33
karljpalt-printscreen gives me the window,01:33
lsuactiafnerlike refresh a stupid image all the time and if it doesnt load you know the site is offline, but there should be better admin tools01:33
Ziggityis it possible to run Ubuntu (Hoary) as a webserver?01:33
lsuactiafneralxwind : really?01:33
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karljpbut pressing alt also cancles the right click menu I'm trying to capture in a screenshot01:34
lsuactiafneralxwind : that doesnt make sense.01:34
ksmurfZig yes01:34
Will_wget!01:34
alxwindwell it says so01:34
eyequeuekarljp:  system > takescreenshot seems approrpriate01:34
lsuactiafnerwget rocks01:34
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alxwindafter running command dpkg -L linux-kernel-headers | less01:34
truz24How do i install ubuntu on a board that has a raid controller?01:34
Ziggityksmurf,  : thanx01:34
ksmurfCan anyone point me in the direction of a good how to for nessus install other than the starterguide?  The plugin update does not seem to be working right and the english forums are down?  Anyone have any exper with the plug-in issue?01:34
mbirkisWill_: can i get the spider to run every hour with output to a text file?01:34
truz24Do i need the drivers from the manufacture.01:34
karljpeyequeue, not really, pressing on the system menu makes the right click menu in my app go away as well.01:34
alxwindit showed me very long list of files at that directory01:35
eyequeuealxwind:  q to quit less, if that;s the question01:35
karljplike on windows, just plain printscreen01:35
Will_mbirkis: cron job, and wget --spider >> filename01:35
karljppressing the alt in ubuntu kills my context menu01:35
Hikaru79A friend of mine just updated his firefox install from the backports repo, and now Firefox won't start. Anyone else had this issue? (We can't ask on the forums either, because ... they're down =/)01:35
eyequeuekarljp:  "like on windows" doesn't mean anything to me01:35
mbirkisWill_: hmm... cron job... how do i set that up? sorry for my newbieness01:35
lsuactiafnermbirkis : or write a script that loops and put the line sleep 60m ; in it01:35
karljpeyequeue, just like alt-prrintsrcreen on hoary, only with also one on just printscreen by itself that does the whole screen01:35
HaroldJohnsonAnyone here using a Mac?01:35
mbirkislsuactiafner: either will work for me... except i don't know how to set it up01:35
lsuactiafnercd /etc/cron.hourly/01:36
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karljpand there for wouldn't require me to press any buttons or any keys that make the context menu Im trying to include in a screenshot go away01:36
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: In a way, yes.01:36
tigliona1bitkarljp: you should be able to press print screen.  There is a gui with more options for taking screenshots included in the gimp01:36
Hikaru79Anyone? Please?01:36
lsuactiafnercron is not too nice imho for doing things like wgetting01:36
karljppressing printscreen byitself isn't doing anything unfortunately.01:36
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, In a way?  How so?01:36
lsuactiafnermbirkis : give me a sec than i paste you something01:36
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Ziggityare there any Flash ( like flash mx ) tools ( open source ) for linux??01:36
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: I got shells open on my wife's Macs ;-)01:36
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Ah, I see.01:36
mbirkislsuactiafner: why isn't cron god for wgetting?01:36
tigliona1bitkarljp: what you want to do is use the Gimp's screenshot thing, and tell it to set a delay for the screenshot so you can make that context menu pop up01:37
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Any experience using wireless on that Mac/01:37
Razor-Xmmmm. manga is nice....01:37
Will_mbirkis: I'm googling for a guide, but my http is screwed here. Google for "cron howto", /etc/crontab  is also a good palce to start01:37
karljphmm, printscreen works if my context menu isn't showing, but not when the menu is01:37
karljptigliona1bit, thanks, I'll give gimp a go,01:37
karljpa timer delay should do the trick01:37
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: Not under Linux; Airport Express is not supported (at all).01:37
Razor-Xnalioth: have you had any success with wget'ing the wiki?01:37
cmathesonlsuactiafner: why wouldn't cron be good for running wget?01:37
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HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Oh yes, I think I've heard that.01:37
tigliona1bitkarljp: alternatively, if you're fast, you could press print-screen and then make the context menu pop up before it takes the screenshot =P01:38
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HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Allow me to pick your brain: Do you know of any wireless cards that work on Ubuntu PPC?01:38
lsuactiafnercmatheson : it creates logs if things go wrong that can fill the h/d01:38
wdslwhere can i get my kernel sources?01:38
tigliona1bitwdsl: apt?01:38
HrdwrBoBHaroldJohnson: cisco01:38
cmathesonlsuactiafner: just rotate the logs out hourly01:38
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: What sort of mac? A powerbook?01:38
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zukalkhey i was testing my apache2 server with php4, and whenever i try to open a .php page, the browser (both firefox and opera) open a download dialog box thingie01:39
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Yes, a PowerBook G3.01:39
Razor-Xnalioth_wrkn: I think I figured it out ;)01:39
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: My orinoco pcmcia cards all work fine.01:39
karljptigliona1bit, I'm probably not that fast :)01:39
lsuactiafnerwell then you tell him how to setup log rotation.01:39
HaroldJohnsonHrdwrBoB, For certain?  Any particular model/01:39
alxwindoh, shit it wasn't usr/include/linux http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/54401:39
benjaminwryou have to register php as a mime type01:39
HrdwrBoBHaroldJohnson: the drivers are fully open sourve01:39
alxwindanybody, plz help01:39
HrdwrBoBsource01:39
karljpalso, gimp screencaps are tearing up my screen.  Looks like the qt context menus aren't displaying in a way that gimp likes01:39
wdsljup thx i get the answer on kubuntuchannel01:39
wdslthx01:39
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Are you in the U.S.?01:39
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cmathesonalxwind: just ask (read the /topic)01:39
lsuactiafnerbut doing automated mass leeching should be controlled in the foreground on a terminal (tho that IS more hassle)01:39
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HaroldJohnsonHrdwrBoB, You mean madwifi, right?01:39
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: My orinoco pcmcia cards work fine in my G3 Wallstreet.01:40
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: Nope01:40
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Do they sell Orinoco at CompUSA?01:40
benjaminwrzukalk you have to register the php module in the apache configuration01:40
alxwindcan't install vmware, it asks me for directory with C header files that match my kernel01:40
comarsomeone has installed mol recently ?01:40
karljphah, got it.  a full screenshot works, but just tha twindow doesn't01:40
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Someone else mentioned success with those cards.01:40
zukalkbenjaminwr, oh, right01:40
alxwindi thought it's usr/include/linux01:40
alxwindbut was wrong01:40
alxwindhttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/54401:40
CookieNinjaafaik madwifi isn't 100% oss01:40
VelcanAnyone here familiar with mail-notification?01:40
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: Not anymore I don't think; they're getting pretty old; they're 802.11b cards _only_01:40
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, I looked for Orinoco at Fry's Electronics here in the U.S. but they didn't have any.01:40
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cafuegoHaroldJohnson: Can you buy online or off ebay?01:41
zukalkbenjaminwr, and how do i do that01:41
zukalk?01:41
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Well, I don't want to buy online, as I may have to return them.  I've purchased two cards already and neither of them work with Ubuntu.01:41
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: Or... is there a wireless user group nearby?01:41
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Ziggityare there any Flash ( like flash mx ) tools ( open source ) for linux??01:42
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cafuegoHaroldJohnson: If it's a proper orinoco and not broken, it will work. 100% guaranteed.01:42
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Don't know...is there a website that brings that up.01:42
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, But only for 802.11b?01:42
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: Yep.01:42
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Are you using linux-wlan-ng/01:42
blmartin771just wondering what makes ubuntu better than debian?01:42
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: No, just the in-kernel orinoco driver.01:42
alxwindhello?01:43
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: There are even MacOS 8.5+ for these things 9they're essentially identicla to actual airport cards)01:43
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Try linux-wlan-ng.  Someone told me that you should get 802.11g with Orinoco cards.01:43
cmathesonblmartin771: it's not necessarily *better*, it's more suitable for people  that want quicker updates/simpler use01:43
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: No, that's bullshit. The cardware can't do it.01:43
cafuegos/cardware/hardware/01:43
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Or it may be wlan-linux-ng, I forget.01:43
lsuactiafnergnight.01:43
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blmartin771but essentually they are the same01:44
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Perhaps there are new cards?01:44
ZiggityAny Java development tools recomended for Ubunut?01:44
cafuegoBesides, linux-wlan-bg doesn't work (at all) with my cards.01:44
zukalkbenjaminwr, how do i register the php module?01:44
bimberiblmartin771: the fixed release cycle is one difference that some may feel is better01:44
tigliona1bitZiggity: need more than javac?01:44
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: prism54 ones perhaps, yes.01:44
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HaroldJohnsonHrdwrBoB, Cisco, huh?01:44
CookieNinjaregulare release cycle is one thing better than debian, blmartin771, lol. that and the emphasis on being friendly & easy to use. tho in many ways ubuntu is debian.01:44
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HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Which brands are prism54/01:45
Will_Ziggity: jikes is pretty interesting. So damned fast, and the error outputs are _good_01:45
Ziggitytiglionabbit, : yes pref. an IDE01:45
Will_Not that I ever code errors!01:45
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: www.prism54.org01:45
tiglionabbitZiggity: I dunno, I've heard good things about Eclipse01:45
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HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Thank you.01:45
umanyou know what the problem with apt-get is?01:45
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: Note that cards which use 3rd party drivers, MAY not work on PPC.01:45
lsuactiafneri would rather use the java made by sun01:45
umanone can't use 2 instances of it at once01:45
tiglionabbituman: that there is no problem?01:45
Ziggitytiglionabbit, :  I heard there are 'issues' with running Eclipse on Ubuntu01:45
tiglionabbituman: how is that a problem?01:45
lsuactiafnerj2sdk ect01:45
alxwindcan't install vmware, it asks me for directory with C header files that match my kernel, i thought it's usr/include/linux but was wrong (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/544), can anyone help me to find out what is the directory?01:45
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Okay.01:45
mbirkisWill_: i got the cron working... but the wget --spider >> filename won't work01:45
cmathesonZiggity: i haven't had any "issues"01:45
b0urn3i just installed ubuntu and was doing apt-get update and got some md5 mismatch errors....is this a problem...if so how do i fix?01:45
umantiglionabbit: what if I wanct to install two apps at once?01:45
benjaminwrzukalk, you have to edit the httpd.conf file locater in usr/local/apache/conf01:45
cmatheson!md5sum01:46
ubotucmatheson: I don't know, could you explain it?01:46
CookieNinjaalxwind, have u got the source headers installed ?01:46
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cmatheson!md5sums01:46
ubotuNo idea, cmatheson01:46
tiglionabbituman: then say apt-get install thing1 thing201:46
cafuego!listkeys md501:46
ZiggityWill_, : is jikes an IDE01:46
ubotuFactoid search of 'md5' by key returned no results.01:46
umantiglionabbit: shit01:46
umantiglionabbit: didn't know about that01:46
umantiglionabbit++01:46
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Ziggitycmatheson,  : did you install from apt-get?01:46
kbrooksheh01:46
cmathesonb0urn3: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and remove everything that says 'us'01:46
blmartin771so why would you want to use debian if ubuntu is easier, and has quicker fixes?01:46
cmathesonZiggity: no01:46
benjaminwrand add or uncomment the AddType application/x-httpd-php -php01:46
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, So do you prefer OS X?01:46
Ziggitycmatheson,  : and what version01:46
benjaminwrzukalk ,and add or uncomment the AddType application/x-httpd-php -php01:46
Will_Ziggity: No. A complier01:46
cmathesonZiggity: i don't know... it's not on this box, i got it about a month ago01:46
alxwindafter running a command sudo apt-get install linux-kernel-headers it said that i already have a ewest version01:46
benjaminwrsorry01:46
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: Linux runs faster on all macs we have here01:47
b0urn3cmatheson:  i'll try...brb01:47
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: OSX is sexier though :-)01:47
ZiggityWill_, thx01:47
alxwindso, i guess i have them installed01:47
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Yes, quite sexy.  Are you running Debian/01:47
rainingzigzagswow i thought i would never do that01:47
rainingzigzagsi locked up linux01:47
Ziggitycmatheson, : did u download or off a CD01:47
benjaminwrzukalk ,AddType application/x-httpd-php .php        (dot instead of - on .php)01:47
cafuegoblmartin771: Can;'t speak for others, but Ubuntu is far too new to risk my servers on.01:47
rainingzigzagslol01:47
alxwindbut can't find out what is it's directory01:47
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cmathesonZiggity: i downloaded it off of suns website01:47
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cmathesonZiggity: it was bundled w/ the jdk01:47
zukalkbenjaminwr, you mean /etc/apache2. oh, i remember doing this for winblows a long time ago01:47
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alxwind2CookieNinja after running a command sudo apt-get install linux-kernel-headers it said that i already have a ewest version but can't find out what is it's directory01:48
b0urn3cmatheson:  so i need to delete the first two entries for the ubuntu universe?01:48
zukalkbenjaminwr, thanks ;)01:48
tiglionabbit!usrepos01:48
ubotuwell, usrepos is if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list01:48
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cmathesonb0urn3: no no, don't delete, just remove the 'us.' part of the line01:48
b0urn3thx01:48
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cmathesonb0urn3: so that it just says 'archive.ubuntu.com' instead of 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'01:48
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Will_mbirkis: Not sure, and I've gotta run for now. Getting late and I need to sort some things01:48
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Are you in Mexico?01:48
Will_It should be able to be piped into a file01:49
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: The Mac Mini runs Ubuntu Hoary, as does the iMac. The wallstreet has been lent to a friend and runs Mac OS 9.2. The G3 server runs Debian sarge, the iBook runs Tiger. The 8600s runs Sarge, the 7200s and Quaras run OS 8.1, the classics, LC and SE30's run various old MacOSes. The 170 runs 7.0.2 I think. The newton runs NewtOS 1.01:49
Ziggitycmatheson, : you can do c/c++ and c# as well in there? (  so i've heard - with the plug ins )01:49
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mbirkiscan someone help me pipe a wget output into a text file?01:49
benjaminwrzukalk, do a locate httpd.conf01:49
benjaminwrafter updating the slocate database01:50
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cmathesonZiggity: i think so... i actually just use vim for my c/c++, but afaik you can do pretty much anything w/ it01:50
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Why not run the new Xandros Newton distro on Newton?01:50
CookieNinjacafuego, afaik they are in /usr/src/linux-headers-<kernel-version>01:50
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: Coz it's an original newton. (Revision 1)01:50
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, LOL, I'm just kidding about that Xandros distro, by the way.  :)01:50
lcharly_TheOneI have a laptop compaq presario V2000 with amd Turion 64 mobile technology i need use the amd64 ubuntu instalation CD???01:50
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cafuegolcharly_TheOne: The 32bit one should work fine, if you're worried. If you want to use flash/java, go wih 32bit (i386)01:51
gyaresulcharly_TheOne, not uness you want too.01:51
HaroldJohnsonSo I guess I'll have to find a good Cisco card in order to access an 802.11g network on my Wallstreet?01:52
gyaresulcharly_TheOne, cafuego and the w32codecs are only for 32 bit processor as well.01:52
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, That was for you...01:52
tiglionabbityup, hence the 32 part01:52
cafuegogyaresu: They nevertheless install and work OK on AMD64.01:52
Ziggitycmatheson,  : I'm struggling with c/c++ do you know where I can get a  free complete tutrial / online course ..01:52
lcharly_TheOneso ican install the ubunti i386 cd in mi laptop and i don't gonna have problems?01:52
ablyssi love gnome's font dialogue.. makes real easy to preview your fonts before change them01:52
gyaresucafuego, they do?01:52
cafuegolcharly_TheOne: Yesp01:52
cafuegogyaresu: Yep01:52
ablyssshould I reboot after updating my kernel image?01:53
cmathesonZiggity: hmm, i'm afraid i don't know... i just bought a book (c++ primer plus was excellent).  i think google would be your friend though01:53
CookieNinjambirkis, which output ? the files u are retrieving or the information that wget is outputting about it's retrieval attempts to the shell ?01:53
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: Prolly check the kernel source, find the cisco driver in net/wireless/ and see which cards are explicitly supported; then get one of those.01:53
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gyaresuablyss, check the boot order in /boot/grub/menu.lst (remember to count from 0 for the order of bootable kernels)01:53
ablyssi assume no01:53
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Ziggitycmatheson,  : do  you use it professionally .. can you suggest other tools I might find helpful?01:53
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Good tip; I thank you!  That's /net/wireless?01:53
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: linux-2.6.x/net/wireless/01:54
FlannelKingZiggity, try C++ in action, from relisoft.com01:54
cafuegoin /usr/src01:54
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Thanks01:54
ablyssgyaresu: sorry what does that have to do with my question?01:54
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cmathesonZiggity: i don't know by what you mean "professionally"... i use it at work, but i'm a linux admin so that's not my primary responsibility (and i don't use it much), so vim/g++ are more than enough for me01:54
gyaresuablyss, you just install a new kernel, yes?01:54
ablyssno01:54
ablyssupdated a kernel image from the synaptic update01:54
ZiggityFlannelKing,  : whats that01:55
cmathesonZiggity: emacs is excellent too, if you're looking for more of an IDE, Kdevelop is supposed to be amazing, and then there is also gnome's anjuta (although it never rates as well as the kde stufF)01:55
FlannelKingZiggity, its a book, online01:55
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Is the kernel located in /boot usually?01:55
Ziggitycmatheson,  : thx.01:55
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cmathesonFlannelKing: that's pretty rad, i've never heard of that one.  how is it?01:55
ZiggityFlannelKing,  : thx01:55
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: yes, but you want the source, not the binary.01:55
gyaresuablyss, that sounds like a new kernel to me. no?01:55
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CookieNinjambirkis,  the output wget sends to the shell u get to a file in your home dir by typing wget <options and url you're retrieving here> > ~/output.txt01:56
LasseLZiggity, I heard that eclipse is a good C++ ide too, with the right plugin01:56
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Where is the source typically located?01:56
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gyaresuablyss, kernel-image-2.6.10 or somesuch, yes?01:56
ablyssgyaresu: is it? i dont know.... i dont normally do these things01:56
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: in /usr/src, after you install it (you can just get a tarball from kernel.org and extract it, too)01:56
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ZiggityI've tried the Anjuta that 's found in synaptic but after going through the project wizard it failed to make01:56
benkong2hey folks how long should it take this command to run? " egrep '(reject|warning|error|fatal|panic):' >> testpostfix.check"01:56
ablyssgyaresu: yes that looks right01:56
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Already did (a few days ago, when installing madwifi).  Just wasn't sure if that was what I was looking for...01:57
gyaresuablyss, then try rebooting and you can always hit ESC while grub is loading to choose a different kernel.01:57
FlannelKingcmatheson, its good, starts out nice, explains everything well, and then goes into design, its a nice short book that covers a lot, I suggest it even if you already know C++, covers a lot of good design/bad design type things as well01:57
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ablyssgyaresu: great man thanks01:57
ZiggityLasseL,  : your' the 2nd person to suggest it - I might get it down. any one know if I can get Eclipse via apt-get?01:57
gyaresuablyss, if it's the basic 2.6.10 then you should be alright.01:57
ablyssawesome01:57
cmathesonFlannelKing: cool, thanks01:57
CookieNinjambirkis, to output all the stuff you're actually retrieving to a file u use the wget option --output-document=~/stuff-retrieved.txt01:57
crimsunZiggity: not for Hoary01:58
ablyssoh that means I should reboot01:58
FlannelKingZiggity, you cannot, at least not with ubuntu repos (Im sure someone has packaged it though)01:58
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LasseLZiggity, eclipse is not on apt-get. But it is download and unzip, run.01:58
ablysswish me luck01:58
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crimsunZiggity: for Breezy, hopefully :)01:58
gyaresuablyss, if it hangs at boot or the desktop doesn't load then try a different kernel or just go into 'recovery mode'01:58
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Hmmm..there's no wireless directory there.01:58
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rainingzigzagsis there a synaptic repository to download and setup seti@home>?01:58
jphow can I burn an iso with k3b?01:58
LasseLZiggity, get sun2jsdk1.5 first, the go to eclipse.org01:58
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tiglionabbitsun-j2sdk1.501:59
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: drivers/net/wireless01:59
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, ah01:59
tiglionabbit!sources01:59
ubotuI guess sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories01:59
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jphow can I burn an iso with k3b?01:59
tiglionabbityou can get it from hoary extras01:59
FlannelKingZiggity, Eclipse is a java app, so you dont need to compile/etc, just download and run01:59
cmathesonjp: it's a menu option... not sure where, but it's three01:59
^thehatsrule^jp: burn image01:59
^thehatsrule^under tools01:59
Frank_dotrainingzigzags: no you have to get it from the project01:59
XRayNukeActually, you do need to compile Eclipse, because it's not pure Java.01:59
XRayNukeIt uses the SWT graphics toolkit.02:00
jp^thehatsrule^ thanks!02:00
jp:D02:00
mbirkisCookieNinja: i get nothing in the output file when doing that :(02:00
holycowi wish someone would write an eclipse plugin for tcl02:00
ZiggityLasseL,   : how do I get the sunJ2sdk1.502:00
LasseLXRayNuke, wrong02:00
rainingzigzagsfrank_dot, is it hard to setup.. i am a noob to linux02:00
^thehatsrule^jp: np lol02:00
HaroldJohnsoncafuego, Odd, airport.c is listed there.02:00
cmathesonholycow: haha, it's been a long time since i've heard someone still rockin' the tcl02:00
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: Yes. airport == orinoco 802.11b02:00
LasseLZiggity, check ubuntu guide02:00
CookieNinjawhat's the full line you're typing, mbirkis ?02:00
cafuegoHaroldJohnson: That does _not_ do airport express02:00
cmatheson!ubuntuguide02:01
ubotuwell, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.02:01
holycowcmatheson, openacs framework uses it, and its quite effedtive02:01
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HaroldJohnsoncafuego, So that one is supported for 802.11b though?  (Not that I'm going to use it).02:01
XRayNukeLasseL: it definitely uses SWT. You might be able to install that from a package, but Eclipse is not pure Java.02:01
Frank_dotrainingzigzags: there should instructions where you get it but it's pretty much download and run02:01
asdxI can't boot ubuntu...02:01
asdxI don't have a kernel... I compiled mine02:01
asdxBecause I had to patch02:01
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rainingzigzagsits a .sh file.... how do u use them?02:01
sybeHello.02:01
cmathesonholycow: i don't know what that is, but i remember 10 yrs ago when i started looking into linux i thought tcl/tk was the hottest thing ever (of course back then kde/gnome were still pretty lame...)02:01
bimberiLasseL: You can get sun-j2sdk1.5 by enabling the backports repositories02:01
bimberi!backports02:01
ubotubackports is, like, at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/02:01
LasseLXRayNuke, wrong as in you dont have to compile it to run it02:01
Frank_dotrainingzigzags: run   sh boinc_filename.sh  in a consol02:02
mbirkisCookieNinja: wget --spider webaddress > output.txt02:02
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mbirkisCookieNinja: i get the output.txt file but it is empty02:02
holycowcmatheson, :) if one could could use wx with tcl i would still say it would rock :)02:02
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cmathesonhehe02:03
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drewhey, does anyone know how to configure keyboard shortcuts to use the windows key like it uses control, alt, etc?02:03
ZiggityI've got Eclipse on one of those free Magazine CD's will that work ??02:03
CookieNinjawhat information are you looking to have in the output file mbirkis ?02:04
LasseLZiggity, http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/02:04
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CookieNinjawould the switch --output-file=logfile  provide the info you need mbirkis ? instead of trying to redirect it to a file02:04
mbirkisCookieNinja: just info that the website was found... i am planning on doing a cron job checking that a friends webpage is online with wget --spider, and outputting it to a file02:04
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cmathesondrew: i've never done it, but i believe xmodmap would be the tool for that02:05
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ZiggityLasseL,  : thx02:05
mbirkisCookieNinja: --output-file=logfile what file will that be?02:05
drewcmatheson, xmodmap is an application I could find using synaptic?02:05
tiglionabbitdrew: you should already have it02:06
CookieNinjawhatever filename you want in whatever location u choose, mbirkis02:06
cmathesondrew: you probably already have it.. it's just part of X windows02:06
drewcmatheson, then how do I open or configure it?02:06
mbirkisCookieNinja: thnx... i will try it :)02:06
alxwindcan't install vmware, it asks me for directory with C header files that match my kernel, i thought it's usr/include/linux but was wrong (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/544), can anyone help me to find out what is the directory?02:06
CookieNinjamake it ~/log.txt to have a file called log,txt in the home dir, mbirkis02:06
cmathesondrew: haha, i've never done it... i believe the best way to find out would be man xmodmap02:06
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CookieNinjaall my ideas are coming from typing man wget and reading, btw, mbirkis ;)02:06
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Frank_dotalxwind: did you install them with synaptic?02:07
drewis anyone here experienced with xmodmap that could help me?02:07
LasseLdrew, did you try the Keyboard Shortcuts menu in gnome first?02:08
tiglionabbitdrew: I've used it02:08
CookieNinjaalxwind, did you look in /usr/src for then ?02:08
alxwindi don't know what ecactly to search in synaptic02:08
mbirkisCookieNinja: i read the man... but it is not easy for us "new" guys... :) but it didn't exactly do what i wanted... it overwrites the file everytime... so i can't see if the server is up or down :(02:08
drewLasseL,  yes, but it wouldn't let me use windows key as a modifier02:08
Frank_dotalxwind: search linux-headers02:08
drewtiglionabbit, could you help me set it up to recognize winkey as a modifier?02:08
LasseLdrew, oh, but it will. I just did that yesterday02:08
tiglionabbitdrew: nope, no idea02:08
CookieNinjatry --append-output=logfile instead of the other one then, mbirkis02:08
tiglionabbitdrew: there is a keyboard setting for it though02:08
drewLasseL, could you walk me through it? maybe I'm just an idiot02:08
tiglionabbitdrew: system -> prefs -> keyboard -> layout options02:09
mbirkisCookieNinja: oh... you are my favourite ninja! :)02:09
Frank_dotalxwind: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-k7/include/   once they are installed02:09
LasseLdrew, find the "Keyboard" menu02:09
tiglionabbitdrew: click on "alt/win key behavior"02:09
Frank_dotalxwind: well it depends on you kernel02:09
drewtiglionabbit, should I select Super is mapped to the win-keys?02:09
LasseLdrew, "hyper is mapped to win-keys"02:09
alxwindi'm using Hoary 5.0402:09
drewLasseL, oh, hyper. k, thanks.02:10
tiglionabbitdrew: try out different things..02:10
alxwindwith default settings02:10
CookieNinjai aint exactly that old on linux myself, mbirkis. 2 years on mac os x at work, and about 18months of that same period on various linux flavours02:10
alxwindwhat kernel is it?02:10
LasseLdrew, stupid that it isn't that way by default02:10
drewLasseL, yeah, it is.02:10
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ksmurfCan anyone point me in the direction of a good how to for nessus install other than the starterguide?  The plugin update does not seem to be working right and the english forums are down?  Anyone have any exper with the plug-in issue?02:11
CookieNinjaanyways, i'm off to bed cos it's 1am, and i'm up @ 8am02:11
aruis there a Ubuntu hardware database?02:11
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LasseLdrew, I just mapped about every item in the shortcuts menu to win-<somekey> and it just works really really well :)02:11
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sybeI have a little problem with my monitor. I cant choose my resolution but why?02:11
drewLasseL, yes it certainly does. But I don't see a setting to make a shortcut to "always on top".  Am I just missing it?02:12
LasseLdunno02:12
Frank_dotalxwind: did you install in synaptic?   If you never changed your kernel, you're using the 386 one02:12
gyaresusybe, you will need to know the hsync and vsync parametres02:12
Razor-X!resolution02:13
ubotufrom memory, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto02:13
ksmurfCan anyone point me in the direction of a good how to for nessus install other than the starterguide?  The plugin update does not seem to be working right.  Anyone have any exper with the plug-in issue?02:13
sybethanks02:13
alxwindi just installed x686 version it with synaptic but i have only unpacked tar.gz archives in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5 directory02:14
alxwindand vmware can't found needed information for installation02:14
bimberiaru: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport02:14
Frank_dotalxwind: what tar.gz archive are you talking about?02:14
zukalkbenjaminwr, it finally worked. had to stop /etc/init.d/apache2 manually before installing libapache2-mod-php402:15
alxwindsorry ;( my bad didn't wait till the end of installation in synaptic02:15
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alxwindthaks for your time02:15
Frank_dotnp02:16
gyaresuRazor-X, where do i get a list of those keywords ! resolution ect...02:16
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Razor-Xgyaresu: there aren't02:16
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Razor-Xyou have to know them through watching, or program the yourself02:16
Razor-XI have a few i've made for people02:16
gyaresuRazor-X, ahh.02:16
gyaresuright.02:16
cafuegodaniels: What did you break now?02:16
Razor-Xmmmm, wget is downloading a nice stack of manga02:17
aruthanks (delayed reaction)02:17
jpcafuego more respect for daniel02:17
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cafuegojp: Feel free to ignore me as I do you.02:18
bimberiaru: (a delayed) yw :)02:18
aru:)02:19
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danielscafuego: i'm about to transition to xkeyboard-config for all the xkb stuff02:19
danielswhich is going to hurt02:20
cafuegodaniels: I'll be sure to not update for a while then :-)02:20
ZiggityLasseL,   :  I can't find howto  get the sunJ2sdk1.502:20
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[koji] Ziggity: search wiki for java02:21
phzi!java02:21
ubotuwell, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java02:21
LasseLZiggity, basically it is, add extra sources, apt-get update, apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.502:22
decafsomeone should add java-package to bot02:22
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gverigWhy do I get X when I at runlevel 3? Isn't it supposed to be text only?02:24
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Aegirsudo killall gdm02:25
Aegir:)02:25
AegirI noticed that aswell02:25
truz24I've got an asus P5LD2 board, and during the ubuntu install it fails to load the cdrom drivers, when i installed XP i had to load the raid drivers before I could continue... How do i do this in ubuntu?02:25
gverigAegir: Is that the only one that needs to be killed?02:25
gverig(font server, other crap...)02:25
AegirWell, killing gdm usually cacks the X server for me02:25
LasseLZiggity, here, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/54502:25
AegirWhich allows driver installation, etc..02:25
AegirYou could always do a sudo killall Xorg, or X or whatever it is.02:26
AegirBut killing gdm should suffice02:26
mbirkisso if i create a small file in /etc/cron.hourly/ it will execute it every hour... without me doing anything more?02:26
gverigAegir: Thanks.02:26
AegirNo worries :)02:26
AegirHappy to help02:26
alxwind2Frank_dot http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/54602:26
phzifor me, when I CTRL-ALT-Backspace, GDM doesn't relaunch Xorg after the 2nd time02:26
alxwind2Frank_dot please take a look02:26
gverigI will to stop it from starting02:26
LasseLThe ubuntu installer should have a "Are you an RMS disciple" question, and if you answer no it should just do all the stuff at the ubuntuguide02:26
alxwind2Frank_dot i'm really stuck with it02:27
Aegirphzi, xinit, startx and such should bring it back, but it will start a new session as that username.02:27
phziya, I know how to do it02:27
phzijust confused as to why gdm gives up02:27
AegirOkay :)02:27
AegirYeah02:27
phzionly way to get gdm login again, is to sudo killall gdm02:27
phziand then relaunch it02:27
AegirYeah, I have a bit of experiane with launching/killing X. I break Xorg often 8)02:28
Aegir*experiance02:28
phziheh02:28
danielscafuego: normal layouts should be fine02:28
phziI did a lot over the last couples days02:28
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phziI had an ATI Radeon 9500 Pro02:28
danielscafuego: it's just stuff like combining multiple strange layouts that will hurt02:28
ZiggityOH! I just a wnc- ??? something crash .. anyone know whats that?02:28
AegirUsually with drivers, or meddling with composite goodness *g*02:28
phziset up for dual header02:28
phziand then I pulled it02:28
AegirHeheh02:28
phziand installed an NVidia card02:28
AegirDual head is brilliant02:28
gverig*reboot02:29
phzitook quite the effort to get it going under X without killing myself02:29
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phziATI -> NV drivers02:29
Will_DIE X DIE02:29
AegirConverting from an ATI to an NVidia card can be amusing under Linux02:29
Will_And onwards02:29
Razor-Xwget needs to finish fast... :(02:29
phzibut I love my dual header02:29
AegirAtleast it was for me...02:29
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phziya, kept me busy for a day Aegir02:30
Razor-Xw00t, finishd!02:30
Razor-X*finished02:30
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Di42loHello02:30
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Di42loi have a problem booting my ubuntu02:30
tiglionabbitDi42lo: grub error 17?02:30
Di42lono02:30
tiglionabbitaw, was worth a try02:30
ZiggityLasseL,  : thx02:30
Di42lohe doesnt get into grub02:30
LasseLZiggity, my /etc/apt/sources.list02:31
Di42lothe bios on the first option is the hard disk02:31
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Di42loand its a new computer02:31
LasseL<----------- zzz02:31
Di42loany idea someone ?02:31
phziAegir: you have any experience with suround sound setups?02:32
ZiggityLasseL,  : thank you. Is it the same from the UbuntuGuide02:32
Aegirphzi, Nope02:32
phziI've been trying to find someone to help me write a .asoundrc file02:32
AegirNot having one and all ;)02:32
alxwindanybody plz help (take a look here -> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/546)02:32
phziso the sound plays out hw0,0 hw0,1 hw0,2 hw0,3 at the same time02:32
alxwindi'm really stuck02:32
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phzialxwind: are you actually running 2.5.10-5?02:33
phziand are you sure that the folder has stuff in it?02:33
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phzi*2.6.10-502:33
alxwindi don't exactly02:34
alxwindand i don't know how to find this out02:34
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tankiwhat's breezy?02:34
phzitanki: next version02:34
AegirEheheheh02:34
phzialxwind: well, start with ls /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-502:34
tankioh02:34
tankicute name02:35
phziand see if there are contents02:35
AegirFantasticly fun and unstable02:35
Aegir:)02:35
phziBreezy Badger02:35
mrpicklescan someone please tell me where the wiki is to get ubuntu to support mp3 codecs ?02:35
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AegirHoary sounds so... Dirty to me >:D02:35
phziwww.ubuntuguide.org02:35
phzitry that mrpickles02:35
alxwindeee, and then?02:35
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phzialxwind: are there any files in the linux-headers folder?02:36
phziif not, you should probably apt-get them lol02:36
NameeaterI'm trying to "root@subspace:/ # find -name bittornado" but it lists a couple of finds then spits out  find: ./proc/7999/task: No such file or directory  and dies, any clues?02:36
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aruI thought we werent supposed to suggest the guide02:36
concept10!tell mrpickes about restrictedformats02:36
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Nameeater!MultiMedia02:36
barkleyso what's the proper way to hide gcj's java so i can use sun's?02:36
ubotuhmm... multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia02:36
barkley!java02:36
ubotuI guess java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java02:36
tankiI'm here because this is the first time I've heard of ubuntu - i read a review of it in linux journal magazine and it looks cool02:37
tankiI like the idea of the version being the mouth.year02:37
tankis/mouth/month02:37
phzialxwind: you still here?02:37
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tankiis there a version 7.05?02:38
[koji] barkley: is sun java is installed you should be able to use it right away02:38
phzitanki: it's y.mm02:38
phziisn't it?02:38
aruI should hope so02:38
tankiphzi, not according to the article iirc02:38
phzigood02:38
phziit must be02:38
barkley[koji] , open office installs gcj's java in /usr/bin02:38
tankinope02:38
phziotherwise version numbers would be totally screwed up02:38
[koji] yeah but the binary is gcj right?02:39
phziofcourse it is, the prior version was 4.1002:39
rainingzigzagsif someone here runs boinc plz pm me i need help with it02:39
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[koji] you can type java -version on the cmd line02:39
tiglionabbitIs there any support for writing to ext3 from windows?  All I see is ext202:39
barkley[koji] , let me check if its a symbolic link.  but when i type 'java' i get the gcj version02:39
tankithe last version was 5.04 in the article02:40
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mastergoonhi, how can i change the key bindings for metacity so the alt key doesnt move windows?02:40
tankiubuntu names it's versions by month.year02:40
rainingzigzagsis there a reason why boinc comes up with connection failed02:40
barkley[koji] , ahh. looks like i have to do that /etc/alternatives business02:41
tankimaybe if you're european you reverse them for some reason but europeans always do weird things so i wouldn't be suprised02:41
mastergoongnome-window-properties says "Window manager '<unknown>' has not registered a configuration tool"02:41
phzitanki: current version is 5.0402:41
phzibecause it came out his year02:41
tankidid it come out in april?02:42
seth_kyep02:42
phziyes02:42
phziit did02:42
phzi Ubuntu 5.04 Released!  2005-04-0802:42
h3r3sYubuntu !02:42
tankiok i'm wrong, the issue is in my bathroom right now and i dont want to get up so i'll just conceed defeat02:42
truz24I've got an asus P5LD2 board, and during the ubuntu install it fails to load the cdrom drivers, when i installed XP i had to load the raid drivers before I could continue... How do i do this in ubuntu?02:42
phzilol02:42
tankianyway it's still a good version scheme02:42
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phzitruz24: do you have SATA?02:42
truz24yeah, but the cdrom is ide02:43
phzidisable sata before booting into the install02:43
phziinstaller does not work if SATA is enabled02:43
truz24but the harddrive is sata02:43
phziit's a known bug02:43
phzihm, well then I dunno02:43
mrpicklessomebody please help me =( IM getting a weird messge when trying to do apt-get and i can't figure out how to fix it. apt-get install w32codecs02:43
mrpicklesE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)02:43
mrpicklesE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?02:43
[koji] !restricted02:43
ubotumethinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats02:43
phzithat's all I know about it02:43
Nameeatermrpickles: do you have synaptic open?02:43
truz24thats not right because I installed ubuntu on another board with sata drives02:43
bimberimrpickles: close down synaptic and try again02:43
phzimrpickles: is synaptic open?02:43
benjaminwrmrpickles close synaptic02:43
mrpickleshold on02:43
phzilol02:44
bimberilol02:44
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phzitruz24: I had to on my board02:44
truz24What error were u getting?02:44
phziand I read a bug report about it02:44
phzino driver available02:44
mrpicklesalright its closed02:44
phzior something along those lines02:44
mrpickleslet me try again02:44
truz24for your cdrom?02:44
phziya02:44
truz24and it was an ide cdrom?02:44
phziyup02:44
tankiyou know why i like linux so much, when you buy a new pet, all you have to do for ideas to name is look up the names of the beta versions of distros02:44
ColonelKernellol02:45
tankibreezy would rock for a cat02:45
phzilol02:45
b0urn3is it a problem if some of the packages are held back when i try to do apt-upgrade?02:45
ColonelKernelrawhide for a dog02:45
mrpicklesNow, I know the next thing I need to do is I need to update some sort of list or something that has to do with apt-get.  Because i don't think apt-getting w32codecs works right away.  can someone please tell me about that ?02:45
danielstanki: what, because it always lands on its feet?02:45
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benjaminwrmrpickles close synaptic02:45
benjaminwrsorry02:45
mrpicklesit is closed >.>02:45
benjaminwrmrpickles apt-get update02:45
tankiexactly02:45
mrpicklesdone02:45
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mrpicklesbenjaminwr, now what ?02:46
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tankibut i'm not planning on throwing the cat out the window02:46
benjaminwrmrpickles you ahve to add repositories02:46
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tankii might throw my computer but not a cat02:46
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mrpicklesbenjaminwr, yes I have done this ebfore on my previous install.  I just don't remember how.02:46
aserpewhere do I find a gui listing of the services (sshd, httpd, etc) that are running?02:46
tiglionabbitdoes anyone know much about writing to ext3 from windows?02:46
benjaminwredit /ect/apt/sources.list02:46
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benjaminwryou have some already there02:46
benjaminwryou just have to uncomment them02:47
artist303hi all02:47
tiglionabbit!sources02:47
ubotuhmm... sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories02:47
b0urn3why won't firefox upgrade?  and how can i fix it?02:47
tiglionabbit!firefox02:47
ubotufrom memory, firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"02:47
benjaminwrmrpickles, once you have edited sources.list02:47
benjaminwrmrpickles you have to apt-get update again02:47
aserpeanyone?02:48
tankimrpickles is another very cool name for a turtle02:48
[koji] !media02:48
ubotu[koji] : Are you smoking crack?02:48
b0urn3how about gstreamer and ubuntu-desktop?02:48
tankii might just buy a turtle so i can call it mrpickles02:48
tiglionabbitb0urn3: what about them?02:48
tankiwhat an ice breaker at parties02:48
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mrpicklestanki, justfor that im going to copy right the name "mrpickles"02:48
phziaserpe: System Monitor02:48
tankihaha02:48
b0urn3tiglionabbit:  they are held back when i try and do apt-get upgrade02:48
aserpephzi: thanks!02:48
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phzinp aserpe02:49
tankimrpickles, too late, everything you say here is GPL'd02:49
tiglionabbitb0urn3: try apt-get dist-upgrade02:49
phzitruz24: do you have 2 CDrom drives?02:49
[koji] !help02:49
mrpicklestanki, what the fuck is GPL'D ?02:49
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benjaminwrgeneral public licensed02:50
tiglionabbitmrpickles: GNU Public Licence02:50
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tiglionabbitoh, it is general02:50
artist303I my nVidia gf 4 Mx440 card with a gf 4 Ti 4200 and X makes strange thing when starting. It starts in 640x480 and when I restart it with ctrl+alt+backspace, it comes up in 1024x768, the desired resolution02:50
artist303I replaced..02:50
artist303my...02:50
mrpicklestiglionabbit, HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAH >.^02:50
b0urn3tiglionabbit:  thanks...that seems to be working...  for future reference when should i do dist-upgrade instead of upgrade?02:50
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[koji] !codecs02:51
ubotuextra, extra, read all about it, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats02:51
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tiglionabbitb0urn3: dist-upgrade allows it to upgrade when dependencies have changed.  upgrade only allows it to upgrade individual packages, without installing new dependencies02:51
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aruI swear the green light on that damn netgear ga511 lit up the other day in my laptop, but I must have been drunk02:51
krash3xdoes anyone know how to make 3d desktop work?02:51
tankihaha aru02:52
b0urn3tiglionabbit:  how do i know when dependencies change?02:52
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tiglionabbitb0urn3: well, warty used xserver-xfree86 and hoary uses xserver-xorg02:52
tiglionabbitb0urn3: just a general change in the libraries used.  regular upgrade doesn't allow it to uninstall anything, or install anything new02:53
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Nameeaterdoes ubuntu by default set a firewall?02:53
b0urn3tiglionabbit:  i'm getting an error now02:53
sharkedi need help from someone that knows a hell of a lot about linux and wants a challenge02:53
b0urn3tiglionabbit:  Errors were encountered while processing:02:53
b0urn3 /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox-gnome-support_1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5_i386.deb02:53
b0urn3E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)02:53
phziIgn http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports Release02:53
sharkedanyone?02:53
[koji] Nameater: needs firestarter02:53
tankiaru, http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/blog/AOTB/post/435246/Beer_Floats_Dairy_Curdling_Good.html02:54
phziwhat is that repository for?02:54
Nameeaterso it shouldn't be blocking any ports then?02:54
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tiglionabbitb0urn3: that's pretty odd02:54
krash3xdoes anyone know how to change to 3d desktop I cant find it on my session menu02:54
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phzikrash3x: 3ddesk02:54
imaekWhen I first installed ubuntu on this computer, it gave me a list of resolutions and asked me to check the ones that my monitor supports, and it had a few default ones checked, so I left it.  Now, I want a larger resolution (I swear, even though it says 1204x768, it's like GIANT) and I need to edit that list.  How can I do this?02:54
sharkedi need help from someone that knows a hell of a lot about linux and wants a challenge02:55
Frank_dotkrash3x: I think you just run 3ddesk in a console02:55
tiglionabbitb0urn3: what does your sources.list look like?  (don't paste it here, use a pastebin)02:55
krash3xok thanks02:55
phzixbindkeys will probably come in handy02:55
phziand the xbindkeys-gui is nice too02:55
b0urn3i think it might have gotten it02:55
tiglionabbitsharked: don't repeat yourself.  And uh, if you want people who know a lot about linux, try #linux.  Or just ask the question02:55
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Nameeaterimaek: /etc/X11/xorg.conf may help, there might be a better way tho02:55
aruI love tabbed browsing but sometimes I get so many tabs I cry02:56
Nameeaterbe brutal and kill then :>02:56
tankiaru, yeah but that beer tab was worth it02:56
b0urn3tiglionabbit:  i got it...i had to manually install gnome-firefox support02:56
imaekNameeater: do you happen to know the next step above 1024 x 768?02:56
tiglionabbitb0urn3: ok02:56
tanki1200x1024 i think02:56
phzi1280x1024 probably02:56
phzi1280x1024 is a higher res setting02:57
phziunless you want 11?? or w/e that one is02:57
tankidoes anyone here use linux screen savers or do you just have your monitor power down02:57
imaekokay, so I'm guessign I need to restart X-Server now (ctrl+alt+backspace), right?02:57
Ziggityhow do you refresh the database on Ubuntu?02:58
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tiglionabbitimaek: sure.  You can log out of gnome first though02:58
ksmurfyehaw.... I fix my nessus.... now for nmap.... On another note I am going to be moving my wife over to linux in the next week and I have a friend that I'm sick of fixing his 'doze box for.  Any suggestions on migrating them?  I've only been using for 8wks or so02:58
phzitanki: I use the default SSs02:58
Nameeater_imaek: lost connection, I use 1152x864, but the one after that is 1280x102402:59
sharkedIm installing ubuntu x64 on my new comp, it has a asus a8n-sli deluxe mb. i go through the installation process and everything goes ok, but when I get to reboot grub doesn't load at all. I get a system disk boot faliure message... I have tried cahnging hard disk order on the bios, and changing the hard disk. whatever I do, I get no grub at the end02:59
tankiksmurf, it's harder to sell linux to a loved one, especially a non-technical one02:59
sharkedcan ayone help02:59
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[koji] Ziggity: what database?02:59
OdiiNanyone have problem with the cpu use of video playback ( mplayer, vlc or totem )?02:59
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Ziggitythe repositories... file thing..03:00
tankiksmurf, what you should do is just set it up for her in such a way that it allows her to do whatever she does on the intraweb with very little interaction on her part03:00
[koji] Ziggity: sudo apt-get update03:00
MrJanglesi've changed the background of the terminal to a pic of mine, and now it wont open.. any ideas?03:00
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phzisharked: boot with a live CD or something, and try doing grub-install hd003:00
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Ziggity[koji] ,  That gets me an update .. I'm sure theres a Refresh command??03:01
sharkedphzi i dont have a live cd03:01
Nameeater_MrJangles: remove the pic from the background, copy the pic, and reset it?03:01
phzithen I got nothing for you, I don't know if the installer CD can help you03:01
MrJanglesthe terminal wont open for me to get to the config03:01
phzidid you install grub to the MBR?03:01
tankiksmurf, true all good points but some people want their computer so they can do stuff, instead of just pushing a philosophy.. heh03:02
MrJanglesso i cant change the settings03:02
phzisharked: did you install grub to the MBR?03:02
sharkedphzi yes I did03:02
OdiiNis normal with a athlon64 3200+ have a 70% os cpu use when playing a xvid ?03:02
tankiand with your help you could ease the transition for her by, for example, picking a window manager for X that resembles microsoft windows03:02
sharkedphzi can I use grub on a floppy to load up and then install grub from ubuntu03:02
Ziggitycan I add an item ( shortcut) to a menu on Ubuntu? How?03:03
sharked?03:03
tankiand then fetching all the net apps she's used to like real player, aim, and so forth03:03
phzisharked: yes, you can03:03
MrJanglesis there any way to get to the terminal settings without going through the terminal?03:03
phziyou'll just have to write yourself a menu.lst file03:03
phzibut that's pretty easy03:03
tankisetting it up, icons, all that stuff..03:03
sharkedphzi woops...03:03
AmaranthMez: You called?03:04
phzi?03:04
sharkedphzi i just installed grub to a floppy and I get GRUB Read Error03:04
phzihm03:04
phziwell, that's kinda odd03:04
Mezamaranth, that was a while back :D bout a problem user03:04
Mezam of fbed now03:04
Meznight03:04
phzisharked: you've got me puzzled03:04
Amaranthkutucape?03:04
Amaranthnight Mez03:04
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sharkedphzi everybody I ask seems to have the same reaction...03:04
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ksmurf np03:05
lcharly_TheOnei have some problems with the instalation in a laptop AMD03:05
lcharly_TheOneConfigurando ttf-opensymbol (1.1.3-8ubuntu2) ...03:05
lcharly_TheOneupdating fontconfig cache...03:05
lcharly_TheOneFontconfig error cnat no load03:05
phziinstalling grub to a floppy shouldn't be able to fail03:05
sharkedphzi I think im gonna go crazy soon with this one03:05
phziyou don't have virus protection on in your bios do you?03:05
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thechitowncubshey everyone, im trying to repair my sis's computer, it freezes at the gdm, the activity cursor never stops spinning03:05
sharkedphzi no03:05
lcharly_TheOneand when ubuntu and ask me the password03:05
thechitowncubsi'm in the recovery mode root console, any advice on what to check?03:05
sharkedphzi new mobos don't have it03:05
lcharly_TheOnedon't charge ubuntu03:06
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thechitowncubsanyone have an clue :/03:06
MrJanglesmy terminal wont open, it think its the bg image i set, anyway to take that off without going through the terminal?03:06
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alxwindplz help! take a look here (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/546)03:07
tiglionabbitthechitowncubs: can you switch to a virtual terminal while it's spinning?03:07
thechitowncubsno03:07
primoshow do I boot network in terminal?03:07
vidzMrJangles: What terminal do you use? gnome-terminal? try xterm and see what happens03:07
primosreboot03:07
MrJanglesgnome03:07
thechitowncubsi can't even get into the terminal by using CTRL+F103:07
MrJanglesk03:07
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MrJanglesyea thats fine, and root terminal runs fine03:08
phzisharked: you gotta do d option03:08
ZiggityBye. and thanx to every1 that helped..03:08
phziwhen installing grub03:08
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vidzprimos: "/etc/init.d/networking restart" I believe03:08
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scspongercould someone help me mount a newly installed cd writer?03:08
phziit's a buggy bios thing apparently, I'm reading about it03:08
primosvidz, thanks03:08
vidznp03:08
tankii can't wait for LinuxBIOS to mature03:08
MrJanglesi want to fix the gnome terminal tho03:09
vidztanki: LinuxBIOS is perfectly mature... for what it was designed for03:09
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tankividz, it has some ways to go so it can support a wider range of motherboards03:09
alxwindANYONE! PLZ HELP03:09
alxwindtake look here plz, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/54603:09
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vidztanki: It was designed for large clusters and fast booting servers, not desktops unfortunately03:10
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thechitowncubstiglionabbit: any ideas?03:10
scspongercould someone help me mount a newly installed cd writer?03:10
teferi_i'll ask my semi-daily question...anyone know when linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.12 will be in breezy?03:10
vidztanki: It works great for High Performance Computing and will probably never hit the desktop03:10
sharkedphzi what is d option?03:10
tankividz, you never know, some geeks have very powerful desktops these days03:10
bimberialxwind: Try "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5/include" (ie. add /include to what you tried before)03:10
MrJanglesvidz: can i change the settings of the gnome terminal without opening it?03:10
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sharkedphzi what is d option?03:11
Kyralscsponger, find out what its /dev entry is and then make a /media mountpoint, then edit the fstab to link'em03:11
vidzMrJangles: Try another terminal and see if it opens. Like xterm03:11
MrJanglesyes those are fine03:11
alxwindit doesn't work03:11
MrJanglesbut id like to fix gnome03:11
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mpmcHelp03:11
mpmcconfigure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH03:11
mpmcSee `config.log' for more details.03:11
KyralActually03:12
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mpmcwere do I get the C complier03:12
Kyralmpmc: sudo apt-get install build-essentials03:12
tankividz, maybe it's fleeting but i see it being used for desktops too, maybe not your common run of the mill ones but the high performance ones03:12
hd420well, the solution i've reached is to just manually install apache, as everything else seems to be ok03:12
tankiafterall, it's hard to lump linux user's desktops in any catagory heh03:12
scspongerKyral.... I know its hdd... but thats about it... there is no entry in my /etc/fstab.... forgive me I'm new a linux03:13
tankisome are so powerful03:13
Kyralmpmc, look at what I just said03:13
vidztanki: What you see it for an what the developers and companies paying for it to be developed for see a little differently XD03:13
MrJanglesany idea vidz?03:13
Kyralscsponger, do a sudo mkdir /media/<whatever>03:13
sharkedphzi what is d option?03:13
Kyralthen sudo gedit /etc/fstab03:13
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scspongerKyral.... will do gimme a sec03:13
mpmcthanks you03:13
tankividz, do you think that IP will rear its ugly head in all of this?03:14
scspongerok03:14
Kyralcopy your current CDROM line, replacing its /dev and /media entries with the ones for the new one03:14
VortacistQuestion about logfiles: On startup/shutdown, when all of the scripts in /etc/rc?.d are run - is all of that logged anywhere?  I'd like to go back and see what is happening on startup/shutdown.03:14
tankisee it's just the idea of being able to make a bios with no assembly, just C that gives me a woody hehe03:14
supernixHi does anyone know how to get midi files to play in Kubuntu ?03:15
Kyraltanki, you are officially a geek03:15
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^thehatsrule^supernix: play it in a media/audio player...03:15
tankii'm 28 and a virgin, i think i'm complete now03:15
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supernix^thehatsrule^: that is not a solution03:16
tankibeing called a geek by his peers.. completes me03:16
ksmurfrofl03:16
scspongerkyral... after making the dir should I see an entry in the fstab?03:16
Kyralscsponger, no03:16
struggleranybody know if upgrading the hoary libc6 with a debian one will get me in trouble?03:16
thechitowncubshey everyone, im trying to repair my sis's computer, it freezes at the gdm, the activity cursor never stops spinning03:16
thechitowncubsi'm in the recovery mode root console, any advice on what to check?03:16
^thehatsrule^supernix: what do you mean then? midi files are audio...03:16
thechitowncubsi can't even get into the terminal by using CTRL+F103:16
Kyralscsponger, you have to manually edit /etc/fstab03:16
thechitowncubsif im booting normally03:16
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supernixYes but you have to have something that will work to play them03:16
MrJanglesis there anyway to change gnome terminal settings without going through the terminal?>03:17
supernixJust saying play them in a compatible program does not provide any useful answer03:17
scspongergotcha Kyral03:17
Vortacistsupernix: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#add-onapplications has info about installing media players.03:17
Kyralscsponger, sudo gedit /etc/fstab, then copy your current CDROM line, replacing its /dev and /media entries with the ones for the new drive03:17
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sharkedcan anyone tell me what the d option to install grub is?03:18
sharkedand how to use it from ubuntu install03:18
^thehatsrule^/boot/grub03:18
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scspongerGotcha Kyral.... I'll do this and get back to you in a sec03:19
struggleranybody know of the existence of a backport of postgresql 8 for hoary?03:19
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rainingzigzagswhy is my web browsing on linux dirt slow but when i jump on my windows partion it flys03:19
sharkedcan anyone tell me what the d option to install grub is?03:19
sharkedand how to use it from ubuntu install03:19
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alxwind10x everyone i got vmware installed finally03:20
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b0urn3i just added a new screen resolution to the xorg.config file, how do i refresh X?03:20
VortacistDoes anything log the messages that display on startup/shutdown...you know, "Some-servie-or-other....[ok] "?  (Or do you just have to read really quickly? :p )03:21
misfit_toyrainingzigzags, name resolution03:21
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dylan_what is the best linux media player?  im currently using xmms03:21
seth_kb0urn3: CTRL ALT BACKSPACE will kill X.03:21
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vidzdylan_: Do you like xmms?03:22
b0urn3seth_k:  thanks03:22
Kyraldylan_, asking that will start a flame war :P03:22
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dylan_not too much03:22
lcharly_TheOnei need drivers for an ATi video card on a laptop??03:22
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vidzdylan_: I use beep-media-player and it's pretty good. It is just a gtk2 version of xmms03:22
rainingzigzags1024x76803:22
dylan_does beep-media-player support quicktime?  is there an alternative to quicktime?03:22
vidzdylan_: rhythmbox is also really good featurewise. It is alot more like apple's itunes03:22
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jodeWhat is a good anti-virus for ubuntu besides clamav?03:22
dylan_rhytmhbox would not support mp3s03:22
Kyralumm03:23
siimohi can someone help me recover my grub install? i get a stage 1.5 error or something03:23
KyralLinux not need AV :P03:23
vidzjode: LINUX doesn't need antivirus03:23
Vortacistdylan_: If you want something for video, I recommend VLC. Plays just about anything with no fuss.03:23
vidzdylan_: Open up synaptic...03:23
jodeok, thanks03:23
rainingzigzagsmisfit_toy, i use the same resolution in both windows and linux 1024x76803:23
KyralYanno, I keep forgetting about Synaptic03:23
rc51woodyquestion: is there anyone in here that uses gay.com? if so would you message me plz03:23
Kyralrainingzigzags, he meant the Domain Name Resolution03:23
rainingzigzagshow do i find that out?03:24
Kyralrc51woody, why does that seem like a porn site?03:24
zukalkrc51woody, huh?03:24
[koji] lol03:24
rc51woodywell there is a chat area03:24
tankilinux doesn't have many true binary viruses because in general, no two linux systems are alike so it's hard for a virus writer to make something that works on all linux users03:24
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rc51woodythat the java i have doesnt allow me to chat03:24
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rc51woodynot a porn site, unless you use it for that ;)03:24
zukalkrc51woody, why would you wanna chat at that site?03:25
tankithere are linux viruses out there but very few03:25
rc51woodyhmm...03:25
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mebaran151I need Mono on Debian03:25
mebaran151Ubuntu that is03:25
KyralI'm thinking because he's gay perhaps?03:25
rc51woodyok ok ok, im gay :(03:25
siimoThe file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. is what i get when i do grub-install /dev/hda  can someone help please?03:25
mrpicklescould someone tell me why flashplayer plays with no sound after it installed? I just installed flash player using apt get and everything works except the sound.03:25
Kyralrc51woody, no shame, I'm bisexual03:25
mebaran151where can get the Mono pkgs03:25
zukalkah, so it's not porn03:25
zukalkgood03:25
tankimost people who use a virus scanner for linux, use it to scan files/emails that are intended for windows boxes (ala. mail server)03:25
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Will_My best friend is gay! And his boyfriend too.. *grin* We're going to a movie tomorrow03:26
rc51woodyim thinkin that you and i are not the only ones here03:26
tankioh he left03:26
tankii feel stupid now03:26
mebaran151I need everything I would need to write an executable that could be run as a cgi03:26
mebaran151I am using lighttpd03:26
mebaran151anyboyd know03:26
mebaran151google is inconclusive03:26
KyralGay, Bi, or Hetero, we are all humans03:26
rc51woodyhell ya03:26
mrpicklescould someone tell me why flashplayer plays with no sound after it installed? I just installed flash player using apt get and everything works except the sound03:26
mebaran151and synaptic doesnt do anything I need it too03:26
Will_Kyral: Not true. I, for one, am a meat popsicle03:26
zukalkKyral, rc51woody, that's the ubuntu spirit, ain't it?03:26
Kyralhomophobes sickin me03:26
mebaran151as it wont install the base libraries03:26
rc51woodyso Kyral, do you know java for linux well?03:26
rc51woodyyour right on zu03:26
mebaran151setting up Java on AMD64 can kill small children03:27
Kyralrc51woody, aside from getting Azureus to work?03:27
Kyralnope :P03:27
[koji] !java03:27
ubotufrom memory, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java03:27
primosgnome is shitty, must turn get to xfce :) ->03:27
mrpicklescould someone tell me why flashplayer plays with no sound after it installed? I just installed flash player using apt get and everything works except the sound03:27
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KyralUbuntu: Linux for Human Beings!03:27
Kyralnow we need a country :D03:27
mpmcGnome is much better than Kubuntu :)03:28
rc51woodyKyral: can i private msg you?03:28
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mebaran151ANYONE know about Mono here03:28
aruI had mono once03:28
KyralUbuntu! The Country for human beings03:28
Kyralyah sure03:28
Amaranthmebaran151: Sort of.03:28
siimo:-S03:28
mebaran151Amaranth, I want to set up a base system03:28
mebaran151that can serve a mono cgi03:28
Kyraloh, no one has to ask to PM me btw03:28
rainingzigzagsso how do i make my browsing on linux faster?03:28
mebaran151I need the mono packages03:28
mebaran151my only problem is03:28
b0urn3ok....first off, you guys have been amazing this evening with the help....i've got an odd question...03:28
mrpicklesis there anyone willing to spend some of their time to help me ?03:28
mebaran151that I think they are only available for 32 bits at the moment03:28
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Amaranthmebaran151: Yeah, if they work in hoary on AMD64 it's a miracle.03:29
Kyral64bit, sorry can't help you03:29
mebaran151and my favorite thing is to run Linux 64 bit edition .... (someone will die one day because of that choice)03:29
Amaranthmebaran151: The 1.1.x versions that breezy has are _a lot_ better.03:29
mebaran151IO dont wnat to write a JIT compiler my self03:29
mebaran151yeah03:29
mebaran151but do they run 64 bits03:29
Amaranthyeah03:29
mebaran151cool03:29
mebaran151if I write a program in mono though03:29
mebaran151I would need to cross compile it03:29
aruhow do you tell which kernel version you have?03:30
mebaran151to run it on 32 bits right?03:30
b0urn3i had upgraded to a new video card when i was still using windows...but when i tried to use windows the video card pulled too much power and the monitor wouldn't work (running on an old dell dimension)...if i use the driver from nvidia will i start drawing too much power again?03:30
mebaran151or is the intermediate language it uses abstract enough that architecture differences disappear03:30
mebaran151guess who is moving to breezy :)03:30
zukalkb0urn3, why don't you get new power surge unit?03:30
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Nameeateris breezy still in testing?03:31
KyralYES!!03:31
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b0urn3zukalk:  because i am an impoverished law student :)03:31
KyralYES!!03:31
mebaran151looks like I am going to be compiling from source03:31
Amaranthmebaran151: it'll work on amd64, x86, ppc, alpha, and i think sparc03:31
KyralVery Unstable!03:31
AmaranthKyral: To be fair it does work today.03:31
Nameeaterok :)03:31
KyralTODAY?03:31
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KyralAs in no X screwups?03:32
AmaranthKyral: It'll probably break again tomorrow, but the stuff in main at least is almost past the 'die every other day' point.03:32
Amaranthyeah, for me03:32
MrJanglesmy gnome terminal wont open, is there anyway to change the settings without opening it?03:32
hd420weird03:32
aioMrJangles what happens when you try to open it?03:32
rc51woodycan you install windows xp as a 2nd OS if you already have Ubuntu installed?03:32
MrJanglescloses right away03:32
mebaran151Amaranth, yep it does03:32
mebaran151but when I run the compiler03:33
MrJanglesi think its got to do with the bg image i chose03:33
mebaran151it isnt like compiling C right03:33
pepsixMrJangles, gconf-editor?03:33
Amaranthno03:33
mebaran151I read it uses an intermediate language03:33
zukalkb0urn3, can't you plug your monitor directly to the current, without using the PC?03:33
Amaranthit's compiled down to CIL03:33
mebaran151that is kind of like Java bytecode03:33
aioMrJangles what if you run an xterm, then try to run a gnome terminal03:33
Amaranthyeah03:33
tiglionabbitrc51woody: yes you can, but you'll have to restore grub after you do it03:33
Amaranthso that .exe will run anywhere mono runs03:33
mebaran151I could never get bytecode to port correctly03:33
mebaran151oh03:33
mebaran151sweet03:33
mebaran151is it fast though03:33
MrJanglesthanks :D03:33
MrJanglesi'll try that too03:33
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Amaranthmebaran151: startup is slower than pure C, of course03:34
mebaran151yeah03:34
mebaran151I know that03:34
tiglionabbithttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows03:34
mebaran151but the main thing03:34
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mebaran151is will it be faster than Python/Ruby03:34
aiojava sucks03:34
tiglionabbit!recover03:34
Amaranthmebaran151: it's funny, GTK# actually uses less RAM than PyGTK03:34
ubotutiglionabbit: Are you smoking crack?03:34
aioc# sucks03:34
mebaran151I would think so03:34
tiglionabbitubotu recover is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows03:34
ubotuokay, tiglionabbit03:34
mebaran151aio, why does it suck03:34
aiomebaran151 which one?03:34
Adrosshow do i mount an ext3 drive?03:34
Amaranthaio: Have you used it?03:34
mebaran151it looks like a pretty powerful language03:34
tiglionabbitguys, don't just say something sucks, tell us why03:34
Amaranthaio: Either one.03:34
mebaran151yeah03:35
mebaran151Java I dont like03:35
tiglionabbitAdross: know the device name?03:35
Adrossyes03:35
mebaran151but I know it can be used03:35
Adrosssda403:35
Amaranthaio: I've used both and they both have their place.03:35
mebaran151I am thinking of developing in C#03:35
tiglionabbitAdross: mount /dev/sda4 /somewhere03:35
MrJangleshmm, i can launch it from xterm03:35
mebaran151and hooking it all up with ruby03:35
aioAmaranth java sucks because 1) you've got sun behind it and no single strong open source alternative.03:35
MrJanglesbut it goes to root terminal03:35
Amaranthum03:35
mebaran151ok03:35
tiglionabbitAdross: make the /somewhere any directory you want, but it must exist and be empty03:35
mebaran151aio, that is all cool03:35
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Kyral!java03:35
ubotufrom memory, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java03:35
mebaran151but C# is open souurce03:35
mebaran151I think03:35
rc51woodytiglionabbit: how do i restore grub after i install xp03:36
mebaran151the Mon project lets me check out code!03:36
Adrossyeh, cheers03:36
tiglionabbit!recover03:36
uboturecover is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows03:36
pgavinmebaran151, uhh, not really, there is an open source implementation, tho03:36
pepsixMrJangles, you can change the background image in gconf-editor03:36
Amaranthaio: 1) sun isn't that bad and 2) the gcj and classpath guys would like you saying that03:36
Adrossi was putting -ext3 in there03:36
aioAmaranth 2) trying to actually *do* anything is a pain in the butt.  do you actually remember how to open a file and read lines from it from memory?03:36
aioAmaranth 1) sun's future isn't that bright03:36
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Adrossanyway, now thats done, how do i change my home directory to a different partition?03:36
MrJanglesi'm looking, i dont think i can03:36
mebaran151pgavin, that is like saying UNIX is not open source right now, but FreeBSD is an open source implementation03:36
aioAmaranth 3) java is virtually unusable without an IDE with lots of bells and whistles03:36
[koji] aio: sun's may not be but the platform is thriving03:36
mebaran151to me, if it has a free implementation, it is free enough03:36
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tiglionabbitAdross: it's not necessary, but if you must specify the type, say "-t ext3" instead03:36
mebaran151aio, but why does C# suck03:36
MrJanglesah yes i can03:36
mebaran151looks interesting03:37
Adrosstiglionabbit, i did03:37
pgavinmebaran151, well, the only C# reference implementation is closed source03:37
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aioAmaranth 4) it is *way* too strongly typed despite what they are tying to accomplish in version 503:37
pgavinmebaran151, but there are multiple open source implementations of unix that can be used as a reference03:37
Will_It's easy to code java without an ide03:37
tiglionabbitAdross: um, if you mount a partition as /home it should replace it, but you wont be able to access the things in there anymore.  You should set it in your fstab03:37
mebaran151why cant we use Mono.net as a reference03:37
Will_Unless you count vim as an ide03:37
goatseubuntu doesnt like my laptop =(03:37
mebaran151once the project matures a little more03:37
mebaran151it seems it will be reference enoguh03:37
tiglionabbitgoatse: and I don't like your website03:37
aiomebaran151 c# sucks because 1) its primary patron is Microsoft.  this is a good thing but the negative, i think, outweigh it.03:37
arentieLimeWire states that my "Quality" is Disconnected, but I can search for files; however, I cannot download anything03:37
pgavinmebaran151, well, sure, after its mature, but its not right now03:37
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goatsetiglionabbit: dont go there?03:38
Amaranthit's mature right now03:38
aiomebaran151 2) same thing goes for c# as java on the whole IDE thing03:38
Adrosstiglionabbit, won't be able to access the things in which? MY old partition which i just mounted in /home, or the home folder it replaced?03:38
MrJanglesi can change the default one, but not the one for my profile03:38
aiomebaran151 3) same thing goes for c# as java on static typing03:38
Amaranthunless you need security zones or System.Windows.Forms03:38
tiglionabbitAdross: folder it replaced03:38
aiomebaran151 4) same thing goes for c# as java on actually getting stuff done03:38
Adrossah k, fine with me03:38
Adrossjust reinstalled u see03:38
Amaranthaio: Have you ever worked on a major project in Java or C#?03:39
pgavinmebaran151, plus, C# has lots of windows specific details which would have to be emulated in mono03:39
Adrossdo i have to do it outside of x?03:39
Amaranthpgavin: Not really true at all.03:39
arentiedoes anyone know anything about LimeWire?03:39
aioAmaranth yes.  i did a small part of the dev and a huge part of the QA on a 100,000 LOC project in java03:39
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mebaran151pgavin, eh that is true03:39
Amaranthah, you got stuck with the shit job, of course you hate java03:40
mebaran151i just dont want to write in bare C03:40
mebaran151and C# looks sort of neet03:40
aioAmaranth deployed to BEA03:40
MrJangleshmm, it might not have to do with the bg image.. it opens, it displays everything for a split second, and closes03:40
MrJanglesany ideas?03:40
aioAmaranth ummm....no - java just sucks.  i could've had a bigger part of the dev work, but i didn't want to work with java.03:40
mebaran151so what do you guys think I should use03:41
aioMrJangles did you try the xterm thing?03:41
mebaran151I want to build a pretty complex web application03:41
rainingzigzagscan ubuntu be installed on a modded xbox?03:41
MrJanglesyes, and it opens the terminal, but as root03:41
mebaran151I prototyped in Ruby which is uber neat03:41
AmaranthThe most I've ever done with Java is bugfixes on a project, so I can't argue there.03:41
pgavinthe OSS implementation of C# isn't any better than any OSS implementation of Java, and all of them are incomplete and of limited utility atm03:41
mebaran151all of you should try it; one of the more sensibly designed language03:41
aioMrJangles any errors?03:41
AmaranthBut I've done some work with C# and it's not bad at all.03:41
MrJanglesno03:41
aiomebaran151 i'd take a peek at python03:41
mebaran151I know python03:41
AmaranthI prefer Python and always will but C# has a place.03:41
mebaran151I hate python03:41
mebaran151because Ruby can do eveyrthing python can do03:41
MrJanglesbut i cant run a terminal unless i'm root03:41
mebaran151except it feels better thought out03:42
crimsunthere is no single high level language that does everything well03:42
tiglionabbitMrJangles: what?03:42
pgavinmebaran151, well, both are turing complete :)03:42
Amaranthpgavin: Stop speaking about things you know nothing about.03:42
pgavinAmaranth, lol03:42
MrJanglesi can open the root terminal fine03:42
mebaran151pgavin, yep both are turing complete03:42
aioMrJangles yeah - what?03:42
Amaranthpgavin: Mono is more than complete enough to be usable.03:42
MrJanglesbut the regular terminal will not open03:42
mebaran151I woudl hope03:42
MrJanglesit closes right away03:42
tiglionabbitMrJangles: right-click your desktop and click on "launch terminal"03:42
aioMrJangles can you open xterm as non-root?03:42
mebaran151crimsun, but I think Ruby has a better design03:42
tiglionabbitMrJangles: oh, okay, you must have done something to your .bashrc03:42
Amaranthmebaran151: You think _Ruby_ is better thought out?03:42
MrJanglesyup, closes right away03:42
mebaran151not than C#03:43
mebaran151but the syntax is SO nice03:43
Amaranthmebaran151: Hey, where can I get that crack?03:43
MrJanglessuggestions?03:43
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mebaran151alot of the implementation is crappy03:43
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crimsunmebaran151: than some languages? sure. It's by no means the end-all be-all, though.03:43
xuniluserGood Day!03:43
pgavinAmaranth, the same could be said of gcj; and besides, where is the deluge of C# apps based on mono?03:43
mebaran151crimsun, never said that03:43
crimsunmebaran151: didn't say you did03:43
mebaran151that is why I am looking into Mono03:43
aiomebaran151 ruby just looks like perl on OO sterhoids...03:43
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mebaran151aio, I liked perl too until I found ruby03:43
mebaran151so I guess that might be why03:43
crimsunwell, perl did strongly influence ruby's early development03:43
aiomebaran151 i liked perl too, until i tried to do OO03:44
Will_perl is always there, and always easy03:44
xuniluserWhat password would I enter when asked after i clicked on the "add/remove programs"? I tried the root password and it doesn't work. Thanks03:44
mebaran151aio, yep03:44
mebaran151exactly03:44
crimsunanyhow, this is all great, but let's help with some Ubuntu issues, eh?03:44
aiomebaran151 then i found Python and haven't looked back since.03:44
mebaran151I tried python03:44
scspongerKyral... it worked I can see I have a blank disc in my drive... but I still can't seem to burn a cd03:44
mebaran151the problem for me was whitespacing03:44
mebaran151I love to put in random indents03:44
mebaran151and that drove the python compiler nutty03:44
Amaranthpgavin: Well, there are a bunch of major ones you might have heard of. Beagle, Dashboard, Tomboy, Blam, F-Spot, and some more I can't remember the names of.03:44
tiglionabbitmebaran151: yes, python cares about whitespace..03:44
Amaranthmebaran151: Remind me to never work on any code you've touched. :P03:45
MrJangleshow can i fix the .bashrc?03:45
pgavinAmaranth, no, none of them :)03:45
aioscsponger what all symptoms are you having?03:45
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mebaran151Amaranth, it isnt so bad03:45
mebaran151it is just not pythony03:45
alxwindcan anyone advise a good cd brning program?03:45
aioscsponger does it pop up nautilus in burn:/// and not let you burn?03:45
tiglionabbitMrJangles: well, looj at it and see what bash isn't liking you for03:45
mebaran151graveman03:45
tiglionabbit*look03:45
Amaranthpgavin: Major search tool, cracktastic thing in development, note taker with wiki links, feed reader, and major photo manager.03:46
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MrJanglessorry, i'm new, i dont know how to look at it03:46
mebaran151Amaranth, it still looks like a cool language, c#03:46
scspongeraio yes that is correct03:46
mebaran151worth learning03:46
mebaran151it also looks enterprise friendly03:46
Amaranthmebaran151: It is, but I always end up turning back to Python.03:46
scspongerthe cd/dvd creator will not let me burn03:46
aioscsponger i had the same problem the past couple days.03:46
Amaranthmebaran151: But it's nice to put on a resume that I know C#. :)03:46
tiglionabbitMrJangles: I'd suggest you try and login as a normal user from the virtual terminal.  Does it give any odd messages other than the MOTD?03:46
mebaran151I think Ruby and Python are comparable03:46
mebaran151I tried to do this in Ruby but now I have two key problems03:46
Vortacistalxwind: I like xcdroast myself.03:46
rainingzigzagshow do i check dns settings in this distro?03:47
scspongerit asks me to insert a 108MB?  disc03:47
mebaran151one,the guy who needs the code needs it to be closed src03:47
Amaranthmebaran151: Except Python looks nice and Ruby looks like a bunch of hacks to Perl. :D03:47
MrJanglesi can run a terminal from another account03:47
alxwindis it available through synaptic?03:47
aioscsponger that's a little comforting that it may not be my hardware :-)03:47
MrJanglesits only the account i'm in03:47
mebaran151Amaranth, the ruby guys say the same thing about python03:47
scspongeraio... haha03:47
aioscsponger doesn't do that for me.03:47
tiglionabbitMrJangles: definately your .bashrc03:47
MrJangleswhen i changed the settings around to customize it, it wont open03:47
mebaran151a hacked on Object oriented extension03:47
scspongeraio... oh? not anymore?03:47
Amaranthmebaran151: btw, you actually liked perl?03:47
MrJangleshow can i fix it?03:47
mebaran151eh03:47
mebaran151it was usable03:47
Amaranthmebaran151: I liked it until I got up to about 500 lines of code.03:47
Vortacistalxwind: Probably, although I haven't used it on Ubuntu (just other Linuxes). You'd have to check.03:47
scspongeraio.. did you change anything?03:47
mebaran151you need to write over 1000 lines03:48
mebaran151and then you go03:48
mebaran151hey, I can get this03:48
alxwindok, ty03:48
tiglionabbitsay MrJangles, can you Applications -> run application -> "xterm" ?03:48
Vortacistalxwind: You're welcome.03:48
mebaran151at 500 lines I was angry too03:48
aioscsponger yeah - i rebooted couple times and it started behaving a little better, but i'm still concerned it may happen smoe more...03:48
Amaranthyou write over 1000 lines and then you go "wtf does this do?" and then you stab yourself03:48
mebaran151but if you get in the mind set03:48
MrJanglesxterm is fine, root termianl is fine03:48
xuniluseri can't i play mp3 files in my new ubuntu 5.0.403:48
mebaran151it is just like any other language03:48
mebaran151and it can be run anywhere03:48
tiglionabbitMrJangles: but gnome-terminal messes up?03:48
MrJanglesexactly03:48
mebaran151Amaranth, I have two key problems03:48
mebaran151though03:48
mebaran151for this current project03:48
MrJanglesit opens and closes right away03:48
tiglionabbitMrJangles: open xterm as you, and run gnome-terminal from it.  Any messages?03:48
Amaranthgood python code practically reads like psuedo-code03:48
scspongeraio... hmm... could you look at my fstab... and see if it makes sense... i'm still new to this03:48
thechitowncubshow can i remove an unempty directory with the CLI FTP client?03:48
MrJanglesthats fine, but it runs as root03:49
mebaran151I need to be able to03:49
MrJanglesit doesnt run as my profile03:49
aioscsponger sure03:49
tiglionabbitMrJangles: don't run it as root03:49
aioscsponger paste to pastebin03:49
xuniluserwhat should i do? I can't play mp3 with the new ubuntu03:49
MrJanglesit wont give me an option\03:49
mebaran151obfuscate my code03:49
MrJangleslet me log in and out again and try it03:49
mebaran151so that it can be part of this closed source deal03:49
tiglionabbitMrJangles: when you just do applications -> run, and type in xterm, that shouldn't end up as root...03:49
mebaran151and it has to be pretty fast03:49
scsponger# /etc/fstab: static file system information.03:49
scsponger#03:49
scsponger# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>03:49
scspongerproc            /procproc    defaults        0       003:49
scsponger/dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       103:49
scsponger/dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       003:49
scsponger/dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       003:49
mebaran151and easy to web interface03:49
scsponger/dev/hdd/media/cdrecorderudf,iso9660ro,user,noauto0       003:49
scsponger/dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       003:49
rainingzigzagsin my dns settings why would it say under the search domains....  domain.invalid??03:49
tiglionabbitsproingie: no pasting here, use a pastebin please03:49
Amaranthmebaran151: Then you want C# or C.03:49
scspongeraio.... sorry thats a mess03:49
mebaran151yeah03:49
Amaranthmebaran151: C# can be decompiled though03:50
mebaran151C#03:50
tiglionabbitoops03:50
tiglionabbitI mean scsponger no pasting here03:50
aioscsponger yeah - that's why i said to pastebin :-)03:50
mebaran151how easy can C# be compiled03:50
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Amaranthone command03:50
scspongersorry all03:50
mebaran151I mean decompiled03:50
Amaranthone command :P03:50
MrJanglesah yes03:50
mebaran151arghh03:50
MrJanglesit opens and closes03:50
MrJanglessame thing03:50
Amaranthyou lose all the comments and such03:50
tiglionabbitMrJangles: no messages in your xterm?03:50
Amaranthand i think the decompiler costs lots of money03:50
MrJanglesno03:50
aioscsponger  what is udf filesystem?03:50
mebaran151oh03:50
xuniluserMrJangles: Can you help me? what should i do? I can't play mp3 with the new ubuntu03:50
mebaran151decompiling wont be too big a deal03:50
aioanyone - what is udf filesystem?03:51
mebaran151I couldnt find anyway to obfuscate python or ruby03:51
AmaranthI probably shouldn't mention all the C decompilers. :P03:51
mebaran151I know03:51
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mebaran151but those are sort of crappy03:51
tiglionabbit!pastebin03:51
ubotupastebin is, like, at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood03:51
mebaran151much of the time03:51
MrJanglesxuniluser: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad03:51
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scspongeraio... not really sure.... the other drives were installed at installations03:51
scspongeraio installation03:51
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Amaranthmebaran151: reverse engineering something is almost always harder than writing someone from scratch that does the same thing.03:51
xuniluserMrJangles: thanks a lot...03:51
MrJanglesnp03:51
Amarantherr, something03:51
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MrJanglesso whats wrong with my .bashrc?03:52
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MrJanglesand how can i go about fixing it :)03:52
scspongeraio... i just copied the same options... I had for my other cdrom.... I realize its probably wrong03:52
scspongeraio for my writer03:52
aioscsponger was the other a writer?03:52
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mebaran151Amaranth, it just doesnt have to be as easy as03:52
mebaran151vim mycode.rb03:52
mebaran151:)03:52
aruapparently my pc card nic will work with a realtek 8169 driver, is the only way I get that to work is recompile the kernel?03:52
Amaranthmebaran151: There are 'compilers' for Python that fix that somewhat.03:53
tiglionabbitMrJangles: here, I'll give you my .bashrc and you can try it.  Back yours up.  pridelands.org/~spinifex/.bashrc03:53
aioaru you could use ndis.03:53
aioaru never done it, but it's supposed to be easy.03:53
scspongeraio... yes it is .... and strange enough in sees it in gnomebaker and cd/dvd creator03:53
MrJangleswhere do i find it to back it up?03:53
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zukalk!alternative03:53
ubotualternative is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant03:53
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tiglionabbitMrJangles: it should be in your home directory.  ls -a to see it03:53
zukalknice..03:53
Amaranthmebaran151: They basically inject the code directly into the interpreter and present it as a 4MB program that runs on it's own (still needs GTK libraries and such if you use them).03:53
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crimsunaru: you could compile the module externally using linux-headers-$(uname -r) and build-essential03:54
aioscsponger hmmm...ok - you got me stumped.  i dunno.  have you googled around?03:54
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sizzamim looking for recommendations for an ftp server.  i want to have no anonymous access and just use the existing user accounts on the system as logins03:54
aruI'll check it out, thanks03:54
aruI dont follow you crimsun :)03:54
mebaran151Amaranth, I know about those03:54
mebaran151the perl ones suck03:54
aruI've never actually compiled a kernel03:54
blmartin771Can I make gnome terminal transparent?03:54
mebaran151I might try diveintopython03:55
crimsunaru: install those two packages, then compile the rtl8169 driver externoally03:55
scspongeraio... I have... but I can't seem to find a how-to with ubuntu and cd writers03:55
tiglionabbitblmartin771: you can set the background to mimic your desktop background03:55
Amaranthdiveintopython is a book03:55
mebaran151Is the python community nicer than the ruby community?03:55
rainingzigzagscan ubuntu be installed on a modded xbox?03:55
tiglionabbitblmartin771: edit -> current profile -> effects03:55
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Amaranthmebaran151: Well, I've never seen the ruby community.03:55
aiomebaran151 the python community is great.03:55
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Amaranthmebaran151: They are great until you try to do stupid things.03:55
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aruok, brb03:56
aiomebaran151 not sure if i'd say they are better than the ubuntu community, but they're great.03:56
mebaran151Amaranth, like what sort of stupid thing03:56
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mebaran151like I asked on the channel to volunteer for the Ruby community03:56
scspongeraio ... any ideas?03:56
mebaran151to gian experience and such03:56
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hanasakiis there an nvidia package for kernel 2.6.12.203:56
blmartin771tiglionabbit: Thanks that is exactly what I wanted03:56
mebaran151and they all scoffed meanly03:56
tiglionabbitblmartin771: gewd03:56
mebaran151I'd like a commnity that isnt too bad about newbs03:56
crimsunhanasaki: no03:57
tiglionabbitmebaran151: this one's not so bad =)03:57
aruok, wheres the reference for compiling a kernel03:57
aioscsponger none...you could try rebooting.  that probably won't help you.  you could try removing the hardware configuration from wherever you can and reboot and see if ubuntu reconfgirues it...03:57
hanasakicrimsun:  bummer.. so is there someway to get it going? or i have to wait?03:57
Amaranthmebaran151: Like using exec or other potentially insecure things.03:57
Amaranthmebaran151: or using lambda's03:57
crimsunaru: why compile a kernel? Just compile the kernel module.03:57
mebaran151oh03:57
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mebaran151ok03:57
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Amaranthor map() or filter()03:57
mebaran151oh using exec would be a very silly thing to do03:57
arucrimsun, again I have no idea what the means03:58
mebaran151what does map() or filter do in python?03:58
aiomebaran151 exec() has its places....03:58
mebaran151yeah03:58
mebaran151just the places are few are far between03:58
aiomebaran151 they're quasi functional programming functions03:58
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mebaran151not iterators03:58
AmaranthIf exec is the answer you're asking the wrong question.03:58
Amaranth(stolen from the PHP saying)03:58
aiomebaran151 map() calls the specified function on a specified list.03:59
tiglionabbitmebaran151: I'd guess it does the same thing as in perl, but I'm not quite sure.  In perl it let you write a section of code, and have it run for multiple variables it would substitute in03:59
mebaran151oh03:59
mebaran151cool03:59
sproingieguido wants to get rid of map in favor of list comprehensions.  bugger all...03:59
mebaran151well not really cool03:59
aioAmaranth not necessarily.  it can get you into trouble, but if you manage it well it can serve you well.03:59
AmaranthIf eval() is the answer, you're almost certainly asking the wrong question. -- Rasmus Lerdorf, BDFL of PHP03:59
mebaran151Amaranth, in C#03:59
mebaran151how is the SQL binding03:59
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mebaran151I need to bind to a PostgreSQL database03:59
tiglionabbitsort of like a loop, you could say map{ print $_ } "1", "pie", "cheese"; and it would print 1 pie cheese04:00
mebaran151for it do anything for me04:00
Amaranththe same as every other language?04:00
mebaran151oh good04:00
mebaran151it exists04:00
Amaranthtiglionabbit: That's ugly as hell.04:00
mebaran151had to compile the ruby one04:00
scspongeraio... see thats the thing... when I recently put in the new burner... I was under the impression that Ubuntu would have some kindof new hardware wizard. Something of that sort... But nothing ever happened. I installed gnomebaker... believing that maybe the writer was already installed. Gnomebaker acuatlly saw the drive... but I was unable to write to it, same holds true for CD/DVD recoreder. I've mounted the drive manually... Which I can now see, but am s04:00
scspongertill unable to write to it04:00
tiglionabbitAmaranth: lol, was just a stupid example04:00
Amaranthtiglionabbit: This is map Python 3 won't have map, filter, or lambda.04:00
tiglionabbitAmaranth: there are much better uses04:00
Amarantherr, this is why python 304:00
sproingienaw, perl map is pretty ugly no matter how you slice it04:00
sproingiei use perl every day04:00
qbasicAnyone know whats going on here? I try to install Ubuntu on my HP Omnibook 4150 (laptop). The install goes well until it asks me to remove the installation CD and reboot. I reboot and it starts to uncompress and install packages, and then it hangs, with the terminal text flying across my monitor, flickering sort of.. =\04:00
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rainingzigzagswhat other browser alternatives are there to firefox in linux?04:01
Amaranthtiglionabbit: There is no use for that that isn't easier to read expanded into a function or loop.04:01
sproingierainingzigzags: i'm partial to konqueror04:01
mebaran151Amaranth, I had to help finish the one in Ruby04:01
mebaran151stupid MySQL junkies04:01
crimsunaru: actually, it's even simpler than that.04:01
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crimsunaru: sudo modprobe r816904:01
mebaran151:)04:01
zukalkrainingzigzags, opera04:01
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tiglionabbitAmaranth: what about map{ handle( $_ ) } @list; ?04:01
mebaran151eclipse looks rather neet04:01
Amaranthtiglionabbit: I don't even fscking know what that does.04:02
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sproingieAmaranth: there's no program that can't be exploded into S, K, and apply.  doesn't mean you want to write programs in them04:02
tiglionabbitAmaranth: would execute Handle on every element of the array "list"04:02
tiglionabbitwhatever handle() happens to be04:02
Amaranthhttp://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=9819604:02
ex-parrotanyone know how to make MP3 previews from nautilus work in Hoary? I had it working at some point.... istr it may've been under warty...04:02
Amaranthtiglionabbit: read that04:02
arucrimsun, I'm off to try it, if my clone comes in then its working :)04:02
tiglionabbit=P I could be saying that wrong though, and you're right in most cases04:02
ex-parrotugh04:02
ex-parrotignore me, installed mpg123 and it works now04:03
MrJanglestiglionabbit: do i need to restart?04:03
MrJanglesor just replace the file04:03
mebaran151Goddman GTK# look snice04:03
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Amaranthmebaran151: Anything that isn't GTK's C API is nice.04:03
mebaran151hahah04:03
mebaran151too true04:03
mebaran151one of the reason's I dont liek using C04:04
tiglionabbitMrJangles: no..04:04
scspongeraio ... you still there?04:04
bob2pygtk 4 life.04:04
mebaran151I actually have moved to making most of my apps served by html04:04
MrJanglesthen it did not work :(04:04
AmaranthBut the APIs are all pretty much the same for GTK no matter what language you're using.04:04
mebaran151kind of why I took up Ruby, because Ruby on Rails looked promising04:04
AmaranthIt's just that some languages have real objects and some fake them.04:04
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mebaran151is breezy ready for the monodeveloper04:05
mebaran151that means I am willing to fix minor problems04:05
mebaran151and maybe even patcha  thing or too04:05
mebaran151but I dont want to watch X never start up again04:05
mebaran151or be forced to shoot my computer with a rifle04:05
blmartin771How come when I put the backports in my /etc/apt/sources.list it says I have updates and wants to downgrade packages?04:05
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ubunturoxcan anyone help me out with nfs?  its working but its pretty sllllooooow.04:05
theblueHi all.04:05
osuchwjoin #twisted04:05
mebaran151what is the channel for c sharp04:06
mebaran151ubunturox, uh nfs, why not just use Samba04:06
theblueI have a sound problem.04:06
tiglionabbittheblue: don't we all?04:06
crimsuntheblue: what sort?04:06
theblueWell, I'm running Hoary on an old HP system, with an onboard sonud card.04:06
tiglionabbitmmhmm04:07
theblueI know ubuntu detects it, since little alert sounds come through fine.04:07
sproingiemebaran151: ##csharp04:07
ubunturoxhehehe, i would but i got a dir with about 1800 folders.  it lists all the dirs and when i open a file about half or all of them disappear04:07
theblueIn fact, the sound works perfectly.04:07
sproingiemebaran151: mind the doubled #04:07
theblueExcept, for the fact that I can't listen to mp3s on it.04:07
crimsuntheblue: what application are you trying to use?04:07
aioscsponger i'm peeking in from time to time.04:07
tiglionabbittheblue: that's not a sound problem.  You just need to install gstreamer0.8-mad04:07
theblueXMMS refuses to play, and none of the other media players can play mp3s.04:07
theblueOh!04:07
tiglionabbit!info gstreamer0.8-mad04:07
ubotugstreamer0.8-mad: (MAD MPEG audio decoder plugin for GStreamer), section universe/libs, is optional. Version: 0.8.8-1ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 49 kB, Installed size: 136 kB04:07
ubunturoxi think its an ubuntu thing, it mounts fine and works fine in mandrake04:07
crimsuntheblue: the xmms issue is related to choosing the esound output plugin.04:08
theblueOh!04:08
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theblueIs the default the wrong choice, usually?04:08
scspongeraio ... well i appreciate you're help... i'll find the answer somehow04:08
crimsuntheblue: the default (oss) doesn't cope well with esound having already grabbed /dev/dsp04:08
theblueAh.04:08
theblueSo what do I do to change it, or is it straightforward?04:08
crimsunchange the output plugin to esound in Preferences04:09
poningruok so continueing the discussion in ubuntu-dev04:09
theblueOk.04:09
theblueThanks for your help, everyone.04:09
poningruwhy cant we double click .deb and have it intsall the software package?04:09
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poningruwell prompt for sudo or something similar04:09
poningrulike when we try to open synaptic04:09
bob2poningru: you can if you like04:10
tiglionabbitponingru: dunno, guess they didn't add that feature.  You can use a terminal though, or make it do it04:10
bob2poningru: it's not the default because encouraging people to install random .debs fro mthe internet is bad04:10
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poningruit is?04:10
tiglionabbitponingru: right-click it and under the "opens with" tab, make an entry for "dpkg --install" that runs in the terminal04:10
tiglionabbitponingru: yes, ubuntu is special.  It likes its own debs, plz.  Other people's debs can be bad04:10
bob2"gksudo dpkg --install" or so04:10
holycowalso, all newsb should really really really pay attention to what bob said04:11
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holycowbob2 poningru: it's not the default because encouraging people to install random .debs fro mthe internet is bad  <-- !!!!04:11
holycowvery very very important04:11
holycowthis is how shit gits on microsoft most of the time04:12
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crimsun(language, please)04:12
holycowif you don't know where its from, don't install it04:12
spermie_411Can someone tell me what ime doing wrong04:12
bob2especially after everyone went to the effort of making apt cryptographically secure04:12
spermie_411spermie@Spermie:~$ sudo cp /home/spermie/Desktop/cedega_4.3.2-1_i386.deb04:12
spermie_411cp: missing destination file04:12
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teferi_spermie_411: where do you want to copy it to?04:12
bob2scsponger: you need to tell it where to put it04:12
holycowagain bob2 speaks the truth, absolutely04:12
bob2scsponger: if you want to put it in the directory you're in, add a "." at the end04:13
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spermie_411teferi home folder04:13
tiglionabbitspermie_411: then put a ~/ after that as the second parameter04:13
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scspongerbob2.... I've got the drive reading properly... i just don't have it burning04:13
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mebaran151Amaranth, argh04:14
mebaran151I am going to have to use Breezy04:14
ashokhi04:14
Amaranthyeah04:14
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mebaran151does anyone know how production ready Breezy is04:14
ashoki am unable to play movie files04:14
teferi_mebaran151: not.04:14
ashokcan anyone help me04:14
mebaran151I am using AMD64 (red flag up)04:14
mebaran151teferi_, I am a developer04:14
mebaran151as a developer04:14
Amaranthmebaran151: I doubt anything you're working on now will ship before october.04:14
mebaran151I can deal with bugs04:14
spermie_411tiglionabbit like this sudo cp ~/spermie/Desktop/cedega_4.3.2-1_i386.deb04:14
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mebaran151Amaranth, I need to get this out in 2 weeks04:15
teferi_spermie_411: you need to specify a second parameter04:15
mebaran151my boss is a mad insane suit man04:15
Amaranthmebaran151: You're doomed.04:15
virgule!autopackage04:15
ubotuvirgule: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about04:15
virgule!info autopackage04:15
mebaran151who doesnt understand things take time04:15
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Amaranthmebaran151: It'll take two weeks to get a firm grasp of the C# language.04:15
mebaran151yeah04:15
bob2scsponger: no, like ' cp ~/spermie/Desktop/cedega_4.3.2-1_i386.deb ~/'04:15
mebaran151I know04:15
Amaranthvirgule: ubuntu doesn't package autopackage, they don't like it04:15
mebaran151but he is a crazy man04:15
mebaran151luckily he also very old and extremely forgetful04:16
virguleAmaranth: funny you mention it I here just to get some feedback on this thing ;)04:16
bob2please don't spread fud04:16
Amaranthvirgule: but autopackage installs itself when you run a package04:16
teferi_autopkg is pretty awful, iirc04:16
Amaranthbob2: They don't like it.04:16
crimsunI think it's more that no one has stepped up to the plate to do the revu legwork04:16
Amaranthbob2: Want me to find the ubuntu-devel thread?04:16
mebaran151Amaranth, have you ever tried Ruby though?04:16
bob2Amaranth: by "they", you mean you got an official reply from jesus?04:16
virgulebesides peoples opinions, what is so wrong with it?04:16
LincTeKhey what is a good digital photo editor for Ubuntu ??04:16
mebaran151for a really long time04:16
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teferi_mebaran151: are you having trouble with ruby?04:16
Amaranthmebaran151: nope, took one look at the syntax and ran04:16
bob2Amaranth: or do you mean "many ubuntu developers think it's a bad idea"?04:16
mebaran151eh, no04:16
Amaranthbob2: that second one04:17
mebaran151I am having trouble with its bastardly community04:17
bob2LincTeK: gimp is quite good04:17
teferi_I like the language a lot04:17
mebaran151that refuses to document anything04:17
teferi_yes, that is a problem04:17
mebaran151teferi_, yep04:17
mebaran151it is very cool04:17
teferi_i agree wholeheartedly04:17
scspongerbob2... I'm sorry ... I don't quite understand... what do you want me to edit the /etc/fstab?04:17
mebaran151I think it si a very natural languages04:17
mebaran151the only one I could ever grasp metaprogramming in04:17
spermie_411permie@Spermie:~$ cp ~/spermie/Desktop/cedega_4.3.2-1_i386.deb ~/04:17
spermie_411cp: cannot stat `/home/spermie/spermie/Desktop/cedega_4.3.2-1_i386.deb': No such     file or directory04:17
bob2scsponger: nevermind04:17
spermie_411i wanna Cry04:17
mebaran151my entire database app I just wrote04:17
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mebaran151is written in ruby and could be said to write itself04:17
bob2spermie_411: that just means you got the filename wrong04:17
LincTeKI heard of one it began with an f but cant remember the name04:17
bob2LincTeK: f-spot is not really an editor04:18
Frank_dotspermie_411: case sensitive04:18
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crimsunmebaran151: have you read this? http://www.rubycentral.com/book/04:18
mebaran151teferi_, but the community is G-d awful dont you think?04:18
qbasicAnyone know whats going on here? I try to install Ubuntu on my HP Omnibook 4150 (laptop). The install goes well until it asks me to remove the installation CD and reboot. I reboot and it starts to uncompress and install packages, and then it hangs, with the terminal text flying across my monitor, flickering sort of.. =\04:18
teferi_mebaran151: it can be a bit trying04:18
mebaran151I think I ahve04:18
teferi_alas04:18
sizzamanyone familiar with deborphan?04:18
crimsunmebaran151: I _highly_ recommend the 2nd edition04:18
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LincTeKah yes f-spot ...thats it thanks bob204:18
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mebaran151crimsun, yeah I have04:18
bob2sizzam: best to just ask your question about it04:18
sizzamk04:18
mebaran151it is just like the postgresql library04:18
mebaran151had 0 documentation04:19
seth_kbleh, I cannot win. a Warty LiveCD can't see this network card, and a Hoary LiveCD isn't mounting the Windows partition so I can copy files off of it04:19
mebaran151and getting anyone in community to tell me anything04:19
mebaran151illicited only snide remarks04:19
teferi_mebaran151: eh, the ruby DB layer is pretty much the same as Perl's04:19
mebaran151not if you want to use the postgres lib directly04:19
mebaran151it does some weird stuff04:19
crimsunmebaran151: are you serious? That book is a walking reference.04:19
mebaran151crimsun, the book is great04:19
sizzamafter i do 'deborphan --find-config',  whats the best way to kill the resulting configs04:19
mebaran151I have read it04:19
mebaran151I bought it04:19
mebaran151it is in the drawer next to me04:19
TokenBadok folks..in ubuntu how can I see or access my cable modem?04:19
teferi_the pickaxe2 is lovely04:19
TokenBadtried the defualt addresses04:19
teferi_i will definitely admit that04:20
mebaran151but for esoteric libraries04:20
TokenBadand can't connect04:20
mebaran151no one documents anything04:20
teferi_rails is finally getting some decent docs, thank god04:20
mebaran151and ruby on rails looks very cool04:20
mebaran151I hope it does04:20
teferi_but i really've been itching to play with Borges, and it's completely undocumented04:20
hanasakiwhere can i find the codecs for playing dvd and mpeg1,2,3,4?04:20
teferi_way to fucking go04:20
bob2TokenBad: presumably it either runs it's own dhcp server, or just proxies your providers04:20
mebaran151teferi_, yeah they write so much cool stuff04:20
teferi_continuation-based web frameworks are the FUTURE.04:20
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teferi_and yet there's no damn DOCS04:20
bob2hanasaki: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats04:20
mebaran151that no one can use because if you ask a question, they hurt you04:20
Coil101I've got the noobest problem in the world.04:21
qbasicI guess there is something wrong with my question?04:21
TokenBadbob2 in windows I used to be able to go to default ip and get to the admin page04:21
TokenBadbut now can't04:21
mebaran151teferi_, it woudl be better if I could go on IRC04:21
mebaran151and just ask04:21
TokenBadand when  i ping a site it says 100% loss on the packets04:21
hanasakibob.. how do you get those links so fast?04:21
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teferi_mebaran151: it would help if more of the community spoke english :P04:21
bob2TokenBad: presumably it's just because you haven't setup networking at all04:21
mebaran151yeah04:21
mebaran151that is true04:21
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bob2hanasaki: they're linked from the faq04:21
TokenBadwell am on inet04:21
mebaran151I bet the japanese channel is nicer04:21
blmartin771what is as good as k3b for gnome04:21
TokenBadthought it set it up itself since was online04:21
Coil101I can't see all of a window, and I can't scroll up or down. Help please?04:21
hanasakioh sorry04:21
bob2qbasic: or you could apply occam's razor and assume it's just that no one knows the answer04:22
mebaran151the whole channel prides itself on the fact they are silly and full of themselves04:22
teferi_mebaran151: if you want hilarity, take a look at the ruby-gnome2-devel-en list04:22
teferi_it's mostly bad english04:22
mebaran151haha04:22
MrJanglesha, i changed the root terminal to use a bg image, and now that wont open either04:22
teferi_because people didn't notice the japanese list04:22
MrJanglesinteresting glitch04:22
mebaran151that is funny almost04:22
teferi_very confusing04:22
mebaran151I remember when I started out04:22
mebaran151I asked a simple question04:22
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bob2qbasic: I'd just use hoary and manually mount the partitions, personally04:22
teferi_i don't know why i'm still on it04:22
mebaran151awhile back04:22
mebaran151it was04:22
mebaran151I have an array04:22
bimberiblmartin771: gnomebaker is ok - prolly not as good as k3b tho04:22
mebaran151I want to make a hash of it04:22
mebaran151based on the similarity of the third element04:22
teferi_so you have an array of arrays?04:23
mebaran151well yeah04:23
blmartin771is k3b the best04:23
mebaran151I do04:23
mebaran151finally one guy showed me the trick04:23
mebaran151||=04:23
poningrublmartin771: yeah04:23
mebaran151but it was one of the most terrible experiences04:23
sizzamnm, found my answer --- dpkg --purge <package>  to remove configs found deborphan --find -config04:23
mebaran151blmartin771, eh, I wouldnt say that04:23
mebaran151nautilus is ok now04:24
teferi_h={};arr.each do |a| h[a[2] ]  = a end04:24
mebaran151for data04:24
mebaran151and grave man04:24
teferi_that'd do it, wouldn't it?04:24
mebaran151no04:24
qbasicbob2: how can I do anything if the system hangs and I cant get a shell?04:24
mebaran151but the problem is04:24
TokenBadbob2 how setup the network stuff04:24
mebaran151I want all the ones that share the same key04:24
mebaran151to be under the same hash04:24
bob2qbasic: bah, sorry, wrong person04:24
teferi_that'll happen automatically04:24
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teferi_that's how a hash works04:24
mebaran151heheh04:24
blmartin771how do I switch gtk1 themes?04:24
mebaran151here is the code that came out04:24
qbasicbob2: heh, no problem. =)04:24
bob2TokenBad: it should have done it during the install, unless you did it while it was unplugged04:24
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mebaran151@division.result.each{|i| (@league_hash[i[9] ]  ||= [] ) << i}04:25
MrJanglesare there other terminals that you can get using apt-get?04:25
mebaran151sort by ninith array04:25
mebaran151weird04:25
mebaran151I am going to try it your way04:25
mebaran151do I have to reindex the hash?04:25
teferi_nope04:25
mebaran151because the code they gave me04:25
teferi_don't you know how a hash table works, man?04:25
bob2MrJangles: there's lots, but there's little reason to use any outside gnome-terminal (for gnome-ness), xterm (For compatibility) or pterm (kickass-ness)04:26
mebaran151yeah04:26
LincTeKTokenBad :is your cable modem plugged into your NIC or usb port on your computer ?04:26
mebaran151but I thought Ruby wouldnt let you over do itself04:26
bob2this seems a bit non-ubuntu-support, folks, how about #ubuntu-offtopic?04:26
mebaran151liek I though internally it tried to keep you away from it04:26
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teferi_mebaran151: ...I think we may be talking at cross purposes here04:26
mebaran151eh sorry Bob204:26
mebaran151yeah04:26
TokenBadyes04:26
TokenBadand am online04:26
TokenBadbut can't get to the cable modems admin page04:27
MrJanglespterm eh04:27
teferi_Okay. You want h[key]  to be an array of arrays, with each element of that being an element of the original array that had the key as the third element?04:27
LincTeKah i see my bad04:27
bob2TokenBad: it sounds very much like you are not04:27
teferi_Right?04:27
TokenBadI am talking to you right04:27
TokenBadand its on this computer04:27
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TokenBadso know am online..04:30
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aruok, no luck with the ndis wrapper or modprobe r8169 but I do get this error message, pnp: PnPACPI: METHOD_NAME_CRS failure for PNP0c04, does that have anything to do with it?04:30
LincTeKTokenBad : have you visited the cable modems website and looked at the faq's there or the knowledge base04:30
thechitowncubshey everyone, im trying to repair my sis's computer, it freezes at the gdm, the activity cursor never stops spinning04:31
thechitowncubsi'm in the recovery mode root console, any advice on what to check?04:31
LincTeKck ownership of /home directory04:31
qbasicwill ndis work for my Linksys Wireless-G PCI Adapter, WMP54GS ?04:31
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cafuegoqbasic: That's a definite "maybe".04:32
theblueqbasic: You have one of the best names I've seen.04:32
cafuegoqbasic: It loads (but doesn't work) on my WPC54G (the pcmcia one)04:32
aruor actually tell me what a PnPACPI error is04:33
TokenBadyes04:34
LincTeKTokenBad: are you using firefox to access the cable modems admin page?04:35
aruit has to mean something04:36
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thechitowncubsdoes anyone know how i can hide my hidden files/folders in gftp?04:38
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Razor-Xwow, no-one's talking04:40
Razor-Xprobably netsplits *shrugs*04:40
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thechitowncubsi got it :)04:41
mebaran151crimsun,  you code alot in Ruby?04:41
poningruis there an offtopic ubuntu channel?04:41
poningruwhere the community talk random crap04:42
arudoes this window that pops up when I put a cdr in actually burn isos?04:42
bob2#ubuntu-offtopic04:42
poningruwow tiny04:42
bob2yeah04:42
aruhmm04:42
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rg58smahii04:43
rg58smasome can helpme??04:43
Razor-Xhah, I just figured out the uselessness of KSnapshot ;)04:43
rg58smai need help with a file avi04:43
Razor-Xwell, useful in a pinch, but meh04:43
Razor-Xrg58sma: you can't play it?04:43
jasoncohenaru, to burn an iso right click and a file and select "burn to disc"04:43
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rg58smayes but the sound run over the image04:44
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Razor-Xrg58sma: are you sure it isn't a problem with the AVI itself?04:45
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arualrighty04:45
rg58smayes the problem is with the avi04:45
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rg58smahave a program to edit sound and image04:45
Razor-Xrg58sma: well, then you have to reencode the AVI specifying a new audio offset04:45
aruif someone could mention what PnPACPI is I would be greatful :)04:45
Razor-XI hear transcode is nice04:45
Razor-Xaru: Plug n Play ACPI? (i'm guessing)04:46
aruI dont know what the ACPI part means04:46
ubunturoxits for power management04:46
Razor-Xit's a laptop power management thing, IIRC04:46
blmartin771Where are the gnome login screens stuff stored at04:46
rg58smayes with what program??04:46
aruso that could be why my pcmcia card isnt working?04:46
bob2it;s not just for power management04:47
bob2acpi is used to route irq and such, too04:47
bob2(aiui)04:47
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ubunturoxblmartin771:  check www.gnome-look.org you can change em thru system->prefs->login screen setup04:47
aruit tells me PCI cannot allocate resource region 0 of device 0000:00:0a.004:48
arudoes that have to do with my pcmcia slot?04:48
blmartin771I know but I want to edit one of the pictures04:48
ubunturoxah04:48
blmartin771just don't know where to find it04:48
Razor-Xrg58sma: transcode04:48
rg58smaok04:48
rg58smathanks04:48
airmikeyi need to knwo how much memory is on this system04:48
blmartin771ubunturox: do you know where I could look04:49
Razor-Xairmikey: harddrive?04:49
rg58smahave a grafical file04:49
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LincTeKcd /proc04:49
rg58sma???04:49
aruso I must have a hardware issue04:49
rg58smaa yes gtranscode04:49
airmikeyram04:49
blmartin771Aru: what kind of wireless card04:50
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mebaran151does X work in Breezy yet?04:50
LincTeKchange directory to /proc then type " cat meminfo"04:50
aruits not wireless, its a netgear ga511, apparently it works as realtek8169, but when I do modprobe r8169, nothing04:50
blmartin771are you using ndiswrapper04:51
aruI'm just trying to figure out if that PnPACPI thing is the reason, and trying to configure the card is a waste of time04:51
LincTeKto see how much system memory you have04:51
aruI installed it04:51
robitaillemebaran151:  yes.  I'm typing this from Breezy04:52
aruis there more to it than that?04:52
aatimhow can i create an innodb table in mysql?04:52
teferi_aru: it's a pcmcia card?04:52
aatimi try creating one then i set the type to innodb04:52
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teferi_mebaran151: X works in breezy04:52
aruyes04:52
teferi_mebaran151: Why do you need to run breezy?04:52
mebaran151Mono04:53
aatimbut it still shows that its a myisam04:53
LincTeKhow different is breezy from Hoary ??04:53
teferi_aru: last time i used a pcmcia nic, the only way to get it to work was to let cardmgr handle module loading...04:53
airmikeyhow much ram is ..906660 kb04:53
teferi_mebaran151: there's no backport?04:53
aruteferi_, how do I do that?04:53
mebaran151not for AMD6404:53
teferi_aru: fucked if i remember, it was ages ago04:53
mebaran151I love 64 bits for encoding04:53
teferi_sorry :/04:53
GigaClonhow do i list all files in a folder and subfolders there of04:53
aruwonderful04:53
mebaran151also for compiling too04:53
mebaran151unfortunately nothing backports to it04:53
teferi_hmm04:53
teferi_well, whatever it is, ubuntu does it by default :P04:53
mebaran151I have compiled many many things from source04:54
teferi_I just stuck a random card lying around in04:54
teferi_and it detected it as eth104:54
teferi_(admittedly, it's a tulip card. well-supported)04:54
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aedwards__i just installed ubuntu and it never asked me for a root password so i can't seem to use apt-get04:54
teferi_aedwards__: you use sudo04:54
LincTeKarimikey : 885 mb04:54
airmikey1 gig of ram  is = to how many kb04:54
teferi_airmikey: 1024*102404:54
aedwards__how do i use sudo04:55
GigaClonsudo04:55
teferi_aedwards__: sudo <command>04:55
teferi_to get a root shell, sudo -i04:55
aedwards__oh ok04:55
teferi_type your password04:55
vidzor sudo -s04:55
aruI guess I'll shoot the damn thing04:55
mebaran151I would switch in a minute04:55
mebaran151if I could get some AMD64'er to come out of the closest and go04:55
robitailleaedwards__: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo04:55
teferi_aru: if it's any consolation, the 8139 is a pretty piss-poor chip :P04:55
mebaran151yeah Ubuntu neato04:55
aruI'm not sure what that is04:56
airmikey906660 kb = how many gigs of ram04:56
teferi_airmikey: divide by 1024 twice04:56
LincTeK885 mb of ram04:56
teferi_1 GB = 1024 MB = 1024*1024 KB = 1024*1024*1024 B04:56
teferi_see a pattern? :)04:56
aruwise mule04:57
airmikeykb04:57
airmikeynot mb04:57
mebaran151by the way teferi_ your idea didnt quite work as it should04:58
mebaran151hashes in Ruby arent so imple04:58
mebaran151I gather04:58
teferi_mebaran151: yes they are, i just misunderstand the problem04:58
mebaran151no04:58
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teferi_a hash is a really simple data structure#!%04:58
mebaran151even your correct version04:58
blmartin771how do I change the splash screen in gnome04:58
teferi_mebaran151: if that didn't work, arr.each do |a| h[a[2] ]  = Array.new end before the other code04:59
teferi_that'll do some things twice, but it's okay, GC will pick up the slack04:59
mebaran151yeah04:59
mebaran151ok04:59
mebaran151trying it now05:00
teferi_assuming the error you got was something along the lines of can't push things onto nil05:00
mebaran151I think so05:00
hondjeblmartin771: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-11478.html05:00
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mebaran151that is why it has to return an empty array if the key didnt exist before05:00
mebaran151||= allows me to skip that step05:00
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teferi_I don't know what ||= does in this context05:00
mebaran151set a to be unless a exists05:01
mebaran151oh05:01
teferi_well, then05:01
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mebaran151set a to b unless a exists I mean05:01
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GigaClonhow to I search my computer for a file?05:01
mebaran151heheh05:01
hondjeGigaClon: Places -> Search for Files in gnome05:02
LincTeKlocate command05:02
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teferi_mebaran151: but we were still able to cobble together a not awful way of doing it with just a little thought05:02
teferi_because ruby is nice :)05:02
mebaran151yeah05:02
mebaran151tha tis true05:02
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mebaran151I still pine for a nicer community05:02
LincTeKlocate "filename" without quotations05:02
teferi_these things come with time and acceptance05:02
teferi_patience05:02
teferi_and in the meantime, ri and read the code, i guess05:02
LincTeKfirst run "updatedb" command05:02
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misfit_toyhttp://www.apple.com/trailers/warner_independent_pictures/marchofthepenguins.html05:03
mebaran151LincTeK, but what if you just want to find a file that could be your search term05:03
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mebaran151teferi_, now it does make sense05:03
Subversivos_-brasnet.org05:03
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mebaran151it opens an empty array to which to push if there was only nil in its place05:04
teferi_mebaran151: the most important thing you can do to learn ruby better is to pla with it in ri05:04
teferi_er05:04
teferi_irb05:04
mebaran151heheh, I do05:04
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mebaran151I had it similar to your way05:04
ChurcH_of_FoamYanyone here into astronomy?05:04
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mebaran151I still might take up Python though05:05
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mebaran151it looks ok05:05
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hondjeChurcH_of_FoamY: I am05:05
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ChurcH_of_FoamYi know it seems like a dumb question but i need a program to control my telescope like i could in windows05:05
mebaran151not quite as nice as ruby, and I dont like my style forced upon me  (I am insidious for my love of one liners)05:05
mebaran151infamous05:05
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ChurcH_of_FoamYhondje there's an ocultation of jupiter with the moon either tonight or tomorrow night05:06
teferi_mebaran151: yeah, one of the things that annoys me about python is that because of the whole whitespace thing, it's very hard to experiment with in the interactive interpreter05:06
hondjehehe05:06
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hondjeI was just outside looking at it05:06
ChurcH_of_FoamYand i was looking for an app like i had with windows that can track and aim the telescope05:06
mebaran151teferi_, yep05:06
hondjeonly things you can see yet are jupiter, venus and the moon :)05:06
teferi_ChurcH_of_FoamY: you may find yourself disappointed :/05:06
theblueFoamy!05:06
theblueYay!05:06
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hondjeNo way05:07
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hondjekstars supports GOTO scopes05:07
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artic_foxwhoa cool new nick05:07
ChurcH_of_FoamYtheblue hey whats up ^_^05:07
artic_foxnever knew I could do that without Nickserv complaining05:07
hondjeChurcH_of_FoamY: what brand is your scope?05:07
artic_foxnice ...05:07
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artic_foxteferi_, where can I get the New Rail's docs05:08
ChurcH_of_FoamYhondje bushnell 700mm reflector05:08
teferi_artic_fox: they're all on the rails website05:08
teferi_which seems rather fancier than i remember it05:08
artic_foxcool05:08
teferi_ruby-on-rails.org, iirc?05:08
dylan_joe?05:08
artic_foxyep05:08
ChurcH_of_FoamYhondje you can see jupiter and 5 of it's moons with an sr4 lens05:08
LincTeKmebaran151 :  use the man pages for "grep" command  print lines matching a pattern05:09
hondjeReally? I'll have to do that05:09
hondjeI'm spoiled though, our school has an observatory and only 7 of us are physics majors :)05:09
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ChurcH_of_FoamYhondje i orderd a camera mount for it but i have to get an equatoral mount too to use it....need the counter wheight05:09
hondjeChurcH_of_FoamY: I don't know that brand though, But I'd try kstars, it has a good chance fo working05:10
artic_foxteferi_, this is NICE05:10
ChurcH_of_FoamYhondje nice i am gonna join the asronomy club05:10
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artic_foxgood L-rd, I never seen so much proper conjuagation!05:10
teferi_artic_fox: glad to help :) happy hacking05:10
ChurcH_of_FoamYhondje you don't know bushnell ??? O_O05:10
hondjeNot enough to know if it'd work05:10
GigaClonhow do I delete things from the trash using sudo?05:10
ChurcH_of_FoamYhondje there like one of the best telescopes on the market05:10
hondjeyeah, which is why I don't have one :) I have a meade05:11
ChurcH_of_FoamYhondje meade is nice too that will be my next purchace for a scope05:11
hondjeI know the brand, but I've never used one05:11
ChurcH_of_FoamYtheres a 900mm reflecter at wallmart that i've been eyeing05:11
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hondje900mm at walmart? How much?05:11
hondjeI tend to only buy toys that I know will work with linux, so I've been leary of getting a brand other than meade05:12
LincTeKGigaClon : sudo rm -fr $HOME/.Trash/05:12
ridejibGigaClon: sudo rm -rf .Trash-username05:12
airmikeyok lets try this  ok guys i got 3 gigs of ram in this system i only see 885.4 mb   in system monitor05:12
ridejibor what Linc said05:12
ChurcH_of_FoamYoh i see05:12
ChurcH_of_FoamYi might get a dobson too05:12
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LincTeKarimikey  : does your MB support 3 gig of ram ??05:13
airmikeyyes05:13
spermie_411have any of you seen polly shore is dead?05:13
airmikeyasus05:14
airmikeyhehe05:14
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ridejibairmikey: i got the same problem, but i only have 1 GB of RAM05:14
airmikeyhmm05:14
ridejibasus k8v se deluxe?05:14
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REdsurm uz need05:15
REdsa kernel option BIG_MEM05:15
airmikeyi was lookin in google someone mentioned installing   linux-68605:15
REdsits in the first few menu's for 2.6.x05:15
REdsthats it and it enabled upto 4gb i think05:15
REdsand for 1gb and over05:15
hondjeChurcH_of_FoamY: for when you're bored, try celestia05:15
hondjethat's a fun program :)05:15
REdsu need that option or ull only see 896megs or somethn05:15
airmikeylinux 386 kernel only supports 900 mb05:15
bob2REds: the ubuntu -686 kernels include that option already05:15
edamronI'm trying to setup a SSH server.  I can connect from within my home network but no one can connect from the outside.  I have port 22 forwarded to my server so that's not the problem.05:16
REdsahh ok05:16
monkeyywhen starting up my ubuntu 5.04 always synchronises the time with ntp.ubuntulinux.org since the laptop is a stand alone computer it delays the boot process as finally i get the error that there is an error in name resolution and the boot process continues after that how can i stop this ????05:16
ridejibso REds: how do we obtain this 2.6.x?05:16
REdslinux kernel 2.6.x05:16
REdsu have that with ubuntu05:16
REdsbut kernel.org05:16
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cafuegoMem:       311696805:16
cafuegoeh-heh05:16
bob2edamron: if you can't connect from outside, but can inside, then the problem is with your firewall05:16
Quidamhi anybody knows about borland kilix?05:17
bob2monkeyy: sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S*ntpd*05:17
ChurcH_of_FoamYhondje http://www.tscopes.com/Type3/T3-16Specs.html <---= i want ^_^05:17
cafuegoQuidam: kylix, google does (and borland do)05:17
bob2ridejib: just install linux-68605:17
monkeyythanks bob let me try that out05:17
edamronbob2, but it's not.  I was running Mandrake and it worked. It stopped when I switched.05:17
bob2edamron: this is on the ip you'r irc'ing from?05:17
Quidambut i need to know is kilix open source05:17
_0killshey guys, i want to install Windows 2000 but i cant partition my hdd, so im gonna get an extra hdd for Windows 2000.  anyone know how i can switch between the two hdd when i boot?05:17
hondjewow, that's cheap05:17
bob2Quidam: no05:17
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hondjea 16" meade runs in the $15k range05:18
Quidamok thanks bob205:18
ridejibbob2: thanks05:18
bob2edamron: and it indeed works05:18
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edamronbob2, no My server has a fixed IP 192.168.1.5 and I forward port 22 from my router switch.05:18
monkeyybob2 how is a newbie like me supposed to know that command is there any where where the commands are listed ?05:18
bob2monkeyy: no05:18
hondjeI wonder if ubuntu would detect my scope if I plugged it in...automagical mounting has worked scary-well so far05:18
REdsanyone know how to make custom keyboard shortcuts, to open and app or exec somethn05:18
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bob2edamron: 192.168.1.5 is not your external ip05:18
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bob2edamron: if you're irc'ing from behind the same firewall as you're trying to configure, ssh is working fine; I can connect to your ssh daemon quite happily05:19
cafuego_0kills: Install Widnows first, then Linux. if you do it in that order, linux will detect windows and add it to the boot menu.05:19
REds_0kills, if u install windows then ubuntu, grub it makes u a boot menu, were u can select ur OS too boot05:19
airmikeyREds ;  i didnt relize u were talkin about my prob with the ram05:19
REdsyes05:19
edamronbob2, no, my linksys router is connected to my cable modem.  I can find my IP if you want it.05:19
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airmikeyshoot05:19
airmikeyumm05:19
cafuego_0kills: if you add windows to an exisitjn g Linux box, you'll need to do it by hand... and windows WILL destroy the Linux boot record.05:19
bob2edamron: ok...05:19
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ChurcH_of_FoamYhondje automajical?05:19
TokenBadLincTeK, yes..using firefox/mozilla05:19
cafuego_0kills: So you'll need a linux boot disk handy.05:19
REdsits simple just a kernel option, bob2 says its enabled for  "the ubuntu -686 kernels include that option already" though05:19
hondjeChurcH_of_FoamY: yeah, I've been plugging in everything I have w/ a USB port, and it detects them all05:20
REdsif u have that one airmikey05:20
ChurcH_of_FoamYhondje damn your lucky05:20
ChurcH_of_FoamYdid you see that scope me wants me wants ^_^05:20
airmikeyok so  do i need to type somethin in the terminal05:20
pinkpinkUm... a question.05:20
_0killscafuego, REds, i have a lot of files i cant backup because they range up to 800mb, so i have to keep my existing Linux install.05:20
hondjeChurcH_of_FoamY: I've kicked out windows like 5 years ago, so they're all compatable already...but until ubuntu I had to jump through hoops to get tem working05:20
edamronbob2, I gave you some bad info.  I do have it forwarded to this computer right now.  My IP is 67.168.4.19705:21
pinkpinkI just wonder how could one change his GTK1 theme?05:21
ChurcH_of_FoamYhondje wow nice05:21
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hondjeyeah, I did it before I got many gizmos05:21
cafuego_0kills: *nod* Windows will want to be on the primary master and you'll need a rescue CD to fix your linux boot record and fstab after installing windows.05:21
ridejib_0kills: why can't you back them up?05:21
hondjeSo no real cost other than what I was going to spend05:21
bob2pinkpink: install the gtk-theme-switch package, run the "switch" command05:21
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bob2edamron: which also works fine05:21
aceidiacan anyone help me update the drivers i have for my video card?05:21
pinkpinkThanks, bob2.05:21
bob2edamron: you're running openssh version 3.9p105:21
bob2aceidia: pest to lay out your whole problem05:22
bob2er, best05:22
aceidia?05:22
REdsairmikey, nah u could either insmod (insert module) into ur running kernel, or recompile it with the bigmem option , or use -686 kernel like bob said05:22
edamronbob2, Am I?  I don't know.  Whatever installed with Ubuntu 5.0405:22
bob2highmem is not a module05:22
bob2edamron: anyway, ssh is working fine for you, I can ssh to your (presumably) internal machine05:22
LincTeKairimkey :sudo apt-get install linux-686 ??05:22
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bob2LincTeK: if you have a 686 cpu, yes05:23
ridejibREds: are there any downsides to using the 686 kernel?05:23
airmikeyok05:23
_0killscafuego, so if i set my Linux hdd for primary slave and the Windows 2000 hdd as primary master, will that work? if so, do i use BIOS setup to choose which hdd to boot from first?05:23
cafuegoridejib: Yes, a P5 (586) doens't like it much.05:23
edamronbob2 really?  A friend of mind can't... Maybe it's on his end.05:23
bob2edamron: I'd say so05:23
hondjeChurcH_of_FoamY: freenode has a space channel, and an astronomy one (but the guy who runs that is a troll)05:23
ChurcH_of_FoamYhondje ouch >.<05:23
_0killsridejib, i dont have any thing i can use to temporarily hold files of that size05:24
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hondjethe space channel is pretty good though05:24
cafuego_0kills: That will work. After you install widnows, you'll need to tweak the linux install and bootloader, so you can choose windows/linux in the LILO or GRUB menu.05:24
edamronbob2, I just discovered Ubuntu a few days ago.  It's REALLY stable.05:24
ridejibcafuego: what about an amd 3000?05:24
spermie_411is 86 dollars bad for 2 sticks of 4200 ddr ram?05:24
bob2it is quite nice05:24
cafuegoridejib: -k7 kernel05:24
bob2spermie_411: froogle.google.com05:24
REdsridejib, nah its probably better than the 386 for newer hardware post like 199705:24
_0killscafuego, cool thanks man.. is there a wiki on how to do that?05:24
ChurcH_of_FoamYhondje i just typed in #astronomy and there was one where you typeing a diffrent channel?05:24
cafuego_0kills: No idea :-)05:24
edamronbob2, Thanks Bob.  I'll get ahold of my friend and have him try again.05:25
hondjeChurcH_of_FoamY: What do you mean?05:25
ridejibcafeugo/REds: thanks05:25
ChurcH_of_FoamYgo to #astronomy05:25
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cafuegoridejib: Unless it's an amd64, in which case you'll and a -k8 kernel.05:25
cafuegos/and/want/05:25
aceidiacan any one help me with my vid card?05:25
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_0killsaceidia, what kind of vid card?05:25
ridejibcafuego: ah, yes it is. thanks again05:25
aceidia matrox geforce 440 it picking it up as a pci card but it's agp...05:26
cafuegoridejib: That should see you with a nice speed increase too.05:26
cafuegoaceidia: nvidia, you mean?05:26
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aceidiayup05:26
cafuegomatrox don't make geforce cards05:27
ridejibcafuego: also, while i have your attention.. will this have the same effect as installing with the 64-bit disc? I hear it has issues running things like flash and a few others05:27
aceidiait's an old card.. lmao05:27
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cafuegoridejib: No, it will be a 32bit kernel optimised for Athlon64 (in 32 bit mode)05:27
bob2if you care about binary junk, you'll be happier with i38605:27
cafuegoridejib: it will *not* be a 64bit kernel.05:27
aceidiathats who i remember making it..05:27
ridejibcafuego: excellent. thanks a bunch. I'm going to load that on my desktop now05:28
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slsI am running ubuntu (latest stable) and lost the crossover menus when I upgraded from the previous version05:29
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slshow do I get them back in gnome 2.1005:29
sls?05:29
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Marble2Okay, I don't know what I did wrong, but I had totem playing almost all types of video files, now I changed something and it will only play .mpg/.mpeg files, every other type of file gives me a handling error. Does anyone know how to fix this?05:29
pinkpinkgtk-theme-switch does not seem to apply the changes I made.05:29
cafuegoridejib: Actually, there is no -k8 kernel, go with -k7.05:29
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slsanyone use crossover?05:30
ridejibok05:30
calcif you have k8 install amd64 port its much faster05:30
REdsridejib, nps05:30
slshmmm?05:30
pinkpinkIs there ways to change GTK theme by, let's say, editing GTK's rc files?05:30
calcflash not working is a feature not a problem05:30
REdsyah05:30
bob2pinkpink: sure05:30
pinkpink*are ther05:30
calcit helps get rid of all that bullshit spams on webpages05:30
ridejibcalc: LOL thanks microsoft... i mean calc05:30
bob2pinkpink: how sure are you that the program uses gtk1.2?05:30
REdsridejib, what amd64 system do u have05:30
EnRockCan anyone give me a hand getting a USRobotics Modem (not winmodem) working on Hoary-PPC?05:31
cafuegocalc: Stop talking nonsense. it is not.05:31
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calci don't think i have ever seen a useful flash site period05:31
pinkpinkbob2: xmms, yes.05:31
cafuegocalc: The AMD64 port isn't magically way faster then the i386 one on an AMD64.05:31
calci have seen people abuse flash for sites sometimes, but 99% of the time i see flash it is spams (ads)05:31
bob2pinkpink: you know this will only affect it's menu, right?05:31
calccafuego: it is05:31
ridejibREds: i built it myself. amd 64 3000+ on a asus k8v se deluxe board, with 1 gig ddr and a geforce 5700 le 256mb card05:31
cafuegocalc: No, it is not.05:31
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bob2EnRock: you have a serial port on your ppc?05:31
calccafuego: amd64 arch has 4x the useful registers05:31
pinkpinkbob2: Yes I know... the menu is what I want to change.05:32
drgnmysthi room05:32
calccafuego: and you have benchmarked apps to prove your theory (i have on mine)05:32
cafuegocalc: Nevertheless it's not magically faster for the end user.05:32
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bob2pinkpink: and you used switch, not switch2, and restarted it after?05:32
calcits roughly 30% faster than i386 arch on same box05:32
aceidiaca any one tell me how i can change the way ubuntu detects my vid card cause it has the wrong one...05:32
cafuegocalc: Yes, I have on mine too, 10% tops on compiling. X/web/office/email makes no difference05:32
calcsome things aren't faster but a lot of things are05:32
bob2aceidia: you have more than one vide ocard?05:32
aceidiano05:32
EnRockbob2: the pmac-zilog module is being loaded so I guess there is. I think its the internal modem.05:32
calceg i get 50% increase on encoding music05:32
aceidiajust the one05:33
calc30-40% on gzip/bzip05:33
pinkpinkbob2: Restart, as in, restart the computer?05:33
bob2aceidia: so in what sense is it being detected wrong?05:33
bob2pinkpink: as in xmms05:33
cafuegocalc: .. on account of all the useful user apps only waiting for user input fatser than on i386.05:33
pinkpinkI thought one needs to launch the program again.05:33
REdsridejib, nice sounds good, checkout the ck kernel patches also, theres alot of improvements and updates comming out for amd64 lately05:33
calcits been a while since i benched other apps so i can't remember how much faster everything is05:33
bob2EnRock: does google confirm that the modem in your mac works?05:33
calccafuego: using less cpu even when waiting on io makes the system more responsive05:33
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cafuegocalc: it nevertheless makes *no* difference in user experience.05:33
aceidiait says i have  the geforce2 mx 400 (pci) in there but i have the geforce2 mx440(agp)05:34
EnRockbob2: don't really care about the modem in my MAC. I can unload its module.05:34
kvidellsomeone bored wanna give me a hand?05:34
kvidellhttp://pastebin.ca/1759305:34
EnRockbob2: I'm gtrying to get a PCI USRobotics modem working (for the voice features)05:34
ridejibREds: thanks. where might i be able to go to stay on top of these updates?05:34
bob2EnRock: ok, I guess I'm confused05:34
cafuegoaceidia: AGP is just a fast version of PCI. Doesn't metter.05:34
EnRockbob2: has worked before (YDL)05:34
LincTeKaceidia : try  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg05:34
bob2aceidia: that doesn't matter05:34
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calccafuego: i get bound for cpu quite often and i don't do much non "user" stuff currently05:35
calcso it does make a difference05:35
REdsridejib,  http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/ but not sure if its for the amd64 port yet05:35
ridejibis there a trick to inserting a username before you type? I have just been typing it in everytime...05:35
calcif all they do is email then probably it won't help them05:35
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ridejibREds: thanks05:35
pinkpinkbob2: Well, switch always switches back to Clearlooks whenever I restart the config program.05:35
cafuegocalc: You must have a special amd64 that's unlike all others, then.05:35
v[] L7r[] nWhy is Ubuntu better then debian ?05:35
bob2I'd like it if things compiled 30% faster05:35
calcbut doing much of anything else probably will (eg scanning those 1000s of viruses you get a day)05:35
aceidiaok then why isn;t it allowing my computer to use direct draw then?05:35
REdsridejib, u realy want too learn howto recompile a kernel, custom for ur mainboard chipset etc, thatl help alot, and its not that hard also05:35
bob2v[] L7r[] n: it's not, it's different.  try both and see which you prefer.05:35
pinkpinkSo that didn't make any changes at all...05:36
bob2aceidia: you know that direct draw has nothing to do with X, right?  unless you're using wine.05:36
calccafuego: well i do get several thousand viruses a day that clamav has to scan for among other things05:36
bob2pinkpink: I didn't even know there was a gtk1.2 clearlooks.  weird.05:36
cafuegocalc: I do that on the server, elsewhere05:36
ridejibREds: I have thought about that, however I am approacing my last semester of college this fall and don't want to have too large of a distraction05:36
bob2REds: compiling a custom kernel is highly unlikely to be faster in any measurable way05:36
ridejibperhaps in January or so, I can start looking into that05:36
aceidiai am using wine and it is asking for it..05:36
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dbernar1hi.05:37
bob2aceidia: perhaps you need the binary drivers then05:37
pinkpinkbob2: No there isn't... The program looks for the ./gtk directory, which does not exist.05:37
calcmy email provider doesn't do it and a user probably doesn't have a separate server to do those sort of things (i don't either) :)05:37
aceidiawhere can i get the binary drivers?05:37
Marble2Okay, I don't know what I did wrong, but I had totem playing almost all types of video files, now I changed something and it will only play .mpg/.mpeg files, every other type of file gives me a handling error. Does anyone know how to fix this?05:37
pinkpinkI want switch to change my theme to, let's say, Industrial.05:37
REdsnah i just mean getting rid of unwanted drivers and instead of using standard chipset and generic modules05:37
bob2aceidia: you didn't mention wine at all in your original question, tho, which means we've all taken a 10 minute detour05:37
pinkpinkBut it doesn't change anything.05:37
calcif all someone is doing is email though they really don't need any more than an original pentium or so05:37
bob2aceidia: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto05:37
calci could do email fine on my linux box in 1995 with p90 and 16mb ram05:37
airmikeyi see 3 gigs of ram05:37
airmikeythx guys05:38
bob2REds: what's the point of doing that?05:38
airmikeyright on05:38
aceidiasorry. i'm new to this OS and i wasn;t sure if it mattered.. :S05:38
cafuegocalc: Well, I *am* an email provider.05:38
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calccafuego: ah05:38
REdsbob2, it speaks for itself05:38
dbernar1Can I get a @ubuntulinux.org email address05:38
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bob2dbernar1: no05:38
REdsi dont realy need too mention that05:38
dbernar1now that you are talking about email.05:38
SDFH_Linuxwhoa pentium 9005:38
SDFH_Linuxi remember that05:38
LincTeKbob2 : how long u been useing linux ??05:38
dbernar1Can I get a @ubuntu.com email address?05:38
dbernar1an05:39
bob2REds: how does it help at all?  all the extra modules do is consume a small amount of didsk space.05:39
bob2dbernar1: no05:39
jsgotangcodbernar1: you need to be a member to have one05:39
bob2members have ubuntu.com email now?05:39
dbernar1damn, I was all eager and all.05:39
jsgotangcobob2: not yet though :(05:39
v[] L7r[] nSo you use .deb as well ?05:39
cafuegodbernar1: You could typosquat and buy ubunto.com05:39
bob2you don't want one, anyway, half my spam comes through ubuntu.com05:39
jsgotangcobob2: but launchpad is supposed to automate that right05:39
v[] L7r[] ndpkg05:39
dbernar1jsgotangco: so I can, eh? Cool, how?(how does one become a member)05:39
bob2jsgotangco: I didn't know that05:39
REdsthe rest speak for itself, but no it dosnt just use diskspace, it uses memory also05:40
bob2dbernar1: you can't have one at the moment, regardless of what you do05:40
dbernar1ok. Cause I read on the site.05:40
bob2REds: how does it use more memory?  only loaded modules consume ram.05:40
jsgotangcodbernar1: even exiting members still don't have it05:40
cafuegowell, except someone else is doing that already05:40
dbernar1how about entering;)05:40
bob2note that there is one way in which it uses more ram05:40
jsgotangcoi meant existing05:40
jsgotangcoheh05:40
bob2but I don't think you're refering to that05:40
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dbernar1dr. obvious...:)05:40
crimsun!components05:41
ubotuit has been said that components is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view05:41
airmikeyany here running 64 bit ubuntu05:41
REdsbob2, how does the kernel use memory ? why is the sky blue ? ; simple cause thats how they are05:41
cafuegoairmikey: yep05:41
bob2REds: no, plese stop misleading people05:41
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dbernar1bob2: how come? Whats up with the spam?05:41
dbernar1or dont answer its not that important.05:42
bob2dbernar1: oh, it just does't have my superfascist rules on it05:42
dbernar1ah05:42
airmikeycafuego: able to load things like mplayer05:42
REdsu mislead ppl buy saying kernel only uses diskspace, thats very inaccurate u realise05:42
calcSDFH_Linux: yea linux used to run well on a p90 with 16mb, now it needs quite a bit more :)05:42
dbernar1thanks.05:42
calcairmikey: yea05:42
calcairmikey: on desktop and laptop05:42
cafuegoairmikey: mplayer won't play DVDs for me05:42
dbernar1can I get an Ubuntu tatoo?05:42
bob2REds: no, I'm sorry, you're wrong on this count.  unless you can actually explain how unloaded modules use ram, please stop telling people that is the case.05:43
FlannelKinggo ahead?05:43
calcairmikey: mplayer works but on breezy its out of sync with the marillat repo so you have to get elsewhere05:43
calcyou also need libdvdcss05:43
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calccafuego: did you have libdvdcss installed?05:43
airmikeyi went back to 32 bit cause  alot of pakages wouldnt load05:43
cafuegocalc: Yes.05:43
airmikeyhmm05:43
calccafuego: hmm strange05:43
bob2REds: I'm not trying to pick on you, I just don't want you misleading people who don't know better05:43
REdsno im not modules use memory when there loaded, its not rocket science05:43
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REdsi dont need too explain every detail, yet i thought u knew so much05:43
bob2REds: yes, of course05:43
calci haven't used mplayer recently i typically just use totem-xine but i think mplayer worked with dvds for me last time i tried it05:43
bob2REds: how would compiling them in save memory?05:44
pinkpinkbob2: Actually, my ~/.gtkrc has changed by switch...05:44
pinkpinkBut it doesn't seem to do anything.05:44
bob2REds: and how would reducing the number of modules on disk save memory?05:44
dbernar1disk is permanent memory...05:44
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REdsthis is a lost cause u know how it works, i know how also05:44
firebird619I was in this room last night with the problem of not being able to install my modem. I did not get the problem solved although a few people did try to help me. I put a different modem into my PC today and I think it is installed but when I run wvdial in Terminal it says Modem Not Responding. What causes this message and how can I solve it. Can anyone help me? I am running Ubuntu 5.04.05:44
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REdsim not going too debate over it05:44
airmikeyhmm if i wanta put 64 bit back on will it jus update05:44
pinkpinkI believe they are reading the .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 file.05:44
pinkpinkWhich is somewhat weird.05:45
cafuegoairmikey: No, you'll need to do a fresh install.05:45
calcbob2: 99% of the viruses i get come from my debian.org account :)05:45
airmikeyor do i haved to redo the sysytem05:45
airmikeyahh man05:45
bob2REds: just please stop claiming their are advantages to people going to the huge effort of compiling their own kernel, unless you can actually explain those advantages. thanks.05:45
calcbob2: i used to get about 1.8GB of them per month05:45
dbernar1airmikey: use partitions for data and OS. Do you?05:45
bob2calc: hah, the other half of mine comes from a forward keybuk put on his debian.org account05:45
FlannelKingbob2, since apparently he's not gettinginto it, you have a site on how it all works that I could look at?05:45
calcer not used to get, i am currently get 1.8GB of viruses a month over 99% of which are from debian.org mailserver05:46
REdshuge effort, haha u make me laugh, ok mr kernel modules just uses diskspace only, if u know so much why do i need too explain too u05:46
raven3x7firebird619 internal or exterrnal?05:46
calcso far over 700mb this month alone05:46
pinkpinkHmm... any help?05:46
Marble2grrr. any file I play in totem-xine I get the error "Could not open resource for writing". Does anyone know how to fix this?05:46
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dbernar1haha, mr kernel modules.05:46
dbernar1ya.05:46
calcairmikey: you can't upgrade from 32bit to 64bit05:46
firebird619raven3x7: internal. The modem I have in there now is Intel 537EP05:46
airmikeywell is jus that i got flux loaded and running sweet05:46
REdsits free help, u dont need too feed people with a spoon, u need too show them which direction too take, and how to go about it, not explain every facet of life05:46
crimsunyou're misinformed, REds.05:46
bob2FlannelKing: I don't know of one.  the basic deal is that modules only consume ram when they're loaded, so compiling a custom kernel with less modules will not save any ram at all (since you're just removing things that wouldn't have been in ram anyway)05:46
Razor-XI haven't played nethack in ages....05:46
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calcairmikey: at least for the arch overall for individual packages you can do it in a roundabout way05:47
bob2REds: I'm asking you to explain it to me so I can point out where you're confused05:47
airmikeyi wish i knew how to ghost05:47
dbernar1Razor-X: good for you, how do you feel?05:47
REdscrimsun, well i must be then since u and bob2 said so05:47
Razor-Xdbernar1: not too bad05:47
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calcairmikey: using norton ghost or linux dd?05:47
airmikeywell for linux05:47
calcairmikey: on linux you can do something like dd if=/dev/hdX# of=backup.file05:47
REdsbob2, your assuming im consufused, assumptions are dangerous u know ?05:47
raven3x7firebird619 you found the correct drivers installed them?05:47
calcbut just make sure you keep record of how big the partition is05:48
firebird619yes, I got drivers off the intel Web site05:48
Razor-Xcalc ;)05:48
airmikeythats it05:48
FlannelKingbob2, no, I got that much, but the kernel is modular, is what youre saying? and they get enabled as needed (only comparison I know is like apache2 does it in ubuntu?)05:48
airmikeyhmm05:48
Razor-Xdd is awesome05:48
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bob2REds: then why don't you explain how you think drivers on disk can consume ram?05:48
bob2FlannelKing: ah, right, yes05:48
crimsunREds: join #ubuntu-offtopic and tell me, then, please05:48
firebird619raven3x7: Yes, I got them off the Intel Web site, as far as I can tell they are installed.05:48
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thechitowncubshey everyone, im trying to repair my sis's computer, it freezes at the gdm, the activity cursor never stops spinning05:48
thechitowncubsi'm in the recovery mode root console, any advice on what to check?05:48
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REdsbob2, i never said drivers on disk, u said that part05:49
normal1hey05:49
REdscrimsun, tell u what05:49
calcbob2: maybe he meant compiling them in versus loading them for always used modules may save ram?05:49
raven3x7firebird619 have you run scanmodem from the linmodems website before you did that?05:49
normal1how do you edit whats on the gnome start menu05:49
bob2I dunno05:49
calcbob2: which it probably would due to minimum allocation size on page boundaries, etc05:49
normal1i know theres away to do it by right clicking it on kde05:49
calcbut probably not save all that much ram except on very limited systems05:49
bob2compiling them in can save ram because each module otherwise requires a whole page05:49
ridejibnormal1: install smeg05:49
normal1cool05:49
bob2yeah, exactly05:49
monkeyycan someone help me ?05:49
normal1i'll take alook05:49
normal1thanks man05:50
REdsbob2, and just so u know, just because i dont explain things in full, doesnt make them any more wrong or right than you05:50
firebird619raven3x7: no I haven't. Is that something I can download and have it scan or is it run off the Web site. I have no Internet access on Ubuntu.05:50
bob2REds: ok, I'm sorry, I misread you.  what is the advantage of compiling a custom kernel?05:50
ridejibnp05:50
monkeyyhey bob2 when i type in sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S*ntpd*   it says no such file05:50
monkeyyi should be doing this from the root terminal right ?05:50
bob2no05:50
monkeyyok05:50
monkeyylemme try again05:50
pinkpinkUm...05:51
thechitowncubshey everyone, im trying to repair my sis's computer, it freezes at the gdm, the activity cursor never stops spinning05:51
thechitowncubsi'm in the recovery mode root console, any advice on what to check?05:51
thechitowncubsits pretty important05:51
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ridejibwell... kernel k7 does seem a bit faster on my machine, and all of my ram is now being seen :) thanks for all the input there05:51
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thechitowncubsand i have no idea what to look for05:51
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pinkpinkIt seems that gtk-theme-switch changes only the ~/.gtkrc file... but how about the ~/.gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 file?05:52
bob2monkeyy: sorry, sudo rm /etc/rcS.d/S*ntpdate05:52
raven3x7yes you download it. it is a script tht finds out the exact type of your modem. i remember that some manufacturers erroneously claim 537 modems as 537EP. which need different drivers05:52
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airmikeyu guys get muine to work in 64 bit05:52
firebird619raven3x7: OK I will download it on my Windows machine and run it on Linux. I will let you know what it comes back as.05:53
bob2if you mean "amd64", please don't say "64 bit"05:53
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calcbtw the kolivas patches are kind of a wash right now, but look promising in the future esp with his new benchmark tester05:53
bob2just as a general thing05:53
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firebird619raven3x7: What is the web site for it. www.linmodems.org or what?05:53
raven3x7firebird619 http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/05:53
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REdsbob2, thats ok, a bit faster, security reasons, and so u dont have all these modules ur not using, plus custom patches for things like amd64 which ud want too keep fairly update since its still relatively newl this was in regard too amd64 with ridejib u realise05:53
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aarcaneso i googled about compiling kernels in ubuntu, and it seems the best way to do it is from source..  sound about right ?05:53
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calche even noted that himself since the mainline is faster at some things and his is faster at others05:53
firebird619raven3x7: OK I will download it and run it05:53
aarcaneerm..  I mean using kernel.org instead of using anything else05:53
bob2REds: how is it faster?05:53
REdsbob2, theres other reasons, but thats enuf, u know the reasons urself,05:53
monkeyybob2 under the normal terminal it still says the same no such file or directory05:53
airmikeyu know i will never tell anyone here what they can or cannot say05:54
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airmikeyso dont to me05:54
airmikeythank u05:54
aceidiacan anyone tell me how i would go about finding where wine has installed itself on my  computer.?05:54
LincTeKthechitowncubs:  how many accounts are on the computer ?05:54
bob2I didn't tell you not to say anything, I was explaining how you can be more correct and clearer05:54
bob2"64 bit" means something else05:54
bob2aceidia: it'll be /usr/bin/wine05:54
calci'm not sure how compiled in drivers can be faster after initial load time05:54
ridejibacedia: in terminal "whereis wine"05:54
raven3x7firebird619 also join the mailing list. and send them the results. they will give you better advice than i can05:54
airmikeywell anyone with a liitle knowledge understood me05:55
calcperhaps the jump doesn't take as many cycles? ;) hah05:55
thechitowncubsLincTek: 105:55
firebird619raven3x7: OK05:55
fader06I have been a dedicated ubuntu user for a while, but can't load it on my old AMD k6-2 (x server can't load). Does anoyone know of a distro that comes with nothing more than the server setup with a Graphical Desktop Environement?05:55
thechitowncubsfader06: DSL05:56
REdsbob2, i didnt say id explain too u how its faster, thats obvious, i just answered ur question with the advantages. thats it05:56
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thechitowncubsor you can set up ubuntu to do it05:56
aceidiathx05:56
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monkeyycan anyone help me during boot ubuntu synchronises with ntp.ubuntulinux.org how do i remove that05:56
bob2REds: no, it's not obvious.  how is it faster?  it's the exacte same kernel code, compiled with the same compiler, and the same gcc flags.05:56
ecliptikwhat are the xorg.conf optons to disable the touchscroll on a synaptics touchpad?05:56
calcfrom what i can tell on my system the modular way should not waste more than ~ 400KB vs compiled in, which is trivial amount of memory05:56
LincTeKthechitowncubs:  do you get a login screen ?05:56
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calcthough for some reason the kernel seems to be using ~ 18MB ram on my box05:56
bob2monkeyy: what does 'ls /etc/rcS.d/S*ntp*' print?05:57
ridejibfader06: why not install server version of ubuntu and then a window manager like fluxbox05:57
monkeyylet me check05:57
bob2calc: ram for page tables adds up if you have a lot of ram, maybe?05:57
calchmm actually 27MB of ram i must be thinking of another box using 18mb05:57
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calcbob2: 1gb ram 27MB is missing from free total amount05:57
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REdsbob2, im not going too debate this with u, ur just a shit stirer. end of story, if u know so much you wouldnt have too ask me why.05:58
calcbob2: not sure if that is normal or not05:58
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bob2REds: ok, just please stop telling people that if you don't have any actual explanation for it, thanks05:58
aceidiabob2 would my cedega folder be in there to.?05:58
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monkeyybob2 no such file05:58
bob2aceidia: hm, I don't know05:58
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bob2monkeyy: then I suspect if you reboot, it won't try to sync it05:58
monkeyyit still is :-(05:59
karma_are there some good terminus-like fonts but smaller(for terminals) in Ubuntu ?05:59
bob2monkeyy: how about 'find /etc/rc* -name "*ntp*"'?05:59
REdsbob2, i have explanations, i just dont have too be lecturer by u, if u know so much why dont u explain the detailed differences and the advantages and disadvantages05:59
calcREds: so i'll ask.. what is it?05:59
REdsbob2, so i assume if i dont explain ur self from now on u wont give advice ?05:59
monkeyyok05:59
ridejibacedia: cedega folder should be in your home directory.. something like ".Transgaming_drive"05:59
calccode that is modular is different than compiled in just that it has to setup the function pointers at load time06:00
REdscalc, mushoom06:00
ridejibit will be a hidden directory06:00
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monkeyyit gave some results shall i post them here06:00
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calcREds: eh?06:00
bob2REds: the differences are minimal.  reducing the list of compiled modules will save some disk space, but reduce functionality if you get new hardware.  it won't make it faster in any way.  compiling things into the kernel can save some boot time, and will use slightly less ram, but also reduces flexibility, especially for laptops (not being able to reload wireless drivers will break suspend).06:00
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bob2REds: in conclusion, it's not worth it for most people, but can be handy to know if you work on obscure architectures, or small systems you need to squeeze every last bit of ram and performance out of.06:01
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REdsbob2, why did u tell ppl too use the source driver, of a binary one ?06:01
bob2REds: I generally don't give advice on topics I'm not willing to explain myself.  if I'm guessing, I will tell people that.06:01
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REdsbob2, but there still is a difference06:01
bob2REds: I don't know what you mean?06:01
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monkeyyit gave /etc/rc2.d/K77ntp.server .... /etc/rc3.d/K77ntp.server.... /etc/rcS.S51ntpdate06:02
REdsbob2, u said it before, not me06:02
bob2REds: yes, it can use slightly less ram06:02
calcREds: not speed difference06:02
bob2REds: show me what line you're refering to, I don't recall saying that06:02
ridejibbob2: what kernel do you recommend for an amd64?06:02
bob2ridejib: whatever the default in hoary is06:02
REdsits like saying amd32 and amd64 kernel theres no difference, or no kernel code diff for the cpu06:02
dbernar1nice06:02
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calcridejib: i use linux-image-2.6.12-3-amd64-k806:02
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bob2REds: of course there is a difference between them, that's not at all what I'm saying06:02
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REdsbob2, i saw u say it, its above06:02
calcridejib: but that isn't in hoary06:02
calcridejib: default hoary one should be fine06:02
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ridejibcalc: yeah, i was going to say that i couldnt find that06:03
REdsyes i know, im not a programmer also i cant tell u every detail06:03
REdsbut why compile kernels,06:03
bob2REds: I have no idea what this sentence means: "why did u tell ppl too use the source driver, of a binary one", can you explain it?06:03
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REdswhy not load all modules if its only disk space and not much else06:03
REdswhy use patches, why recompile, why tweak the kernel, why update the kernel06:03
HaroldJohnsonHello everyone; sorry for my crabbiness earlier today.06:03
calcREds: because the boot device needs built in module unless you use an initrd/initramfs06:03
calcREds: most if not all dists use modules06:03
bob2REds: you're confused again.  loading modules uses ram, but even with ubuntu kernels, but you only load modules for hardware you have.06:03
Dr_Willisnot all modules are loaded at boot up.06:04
calcREds: but they also setup up initrds06:04
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REdsim getting the gist u said theres little too no difference bob206:04
REdsyes im aware06:04
REdsofcourse06:04
Marble2Okay, I don't know what I did wrong, but I had totem playing almost all types of video files, now I changed something and it will only play .mpg/.mpeg files, every other type of file gives me a handling error. Does anyone know how to fix this?06:04
bob2there's little to no speed difference, yes06:04
monkeyybob 2 shall i post the results of the find that we made ?06:04
REdsbut sometimes modules are loaded that arent needed and used06:04
bob2monkeyy: sudo rm /etc/rcS.S/51ntpdate06:04
AlbanianLordhey folks I was wondering if someone could help me with my sound issues06:04
monkeyyok06:04
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REdsi know about initrds06:04
bob2monkeyy: one of the commands I gave you earlier should have deleted that, so make sure you type EXACTLY what I said06:04
REdscalc, i never said dont use modules, just meant slim it down06:05
bob2REds: can you give me an example of a module that shouldn't be loaded?06:05
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ridejibcalc: mind if i private you?06:05
REdsits like why do we use ck patches, ur aware of them right06:05
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REdsits just an example realy06:05
calcREds: sliming down which modules a dist compiles in is hard to pick since the dist doesn't want to waste ram for other people that don't want those features06:05
calcridejib: sure go ahead06:05
REdsfloppy ppl might not use it06:05
REdsparrallel port06:05
GigaClonI was browsing synaptic and came across a plugin that allow you to view your filesystem as planets anyone know what it is called?06:05
bob2REds: you're argiuing by analogy, which is pointless06:05
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REdsserial06:05
calcREds: ck patches help some but hurt in other areas as he mentioned today06:05
dbernar1AlbanianLord: are your speakers broken?06:06
REdsbob2, not realy06:06
bob2REds: yes, using ck can be useful, but that has nothing to do with randomly recompiling things06:06
AlbanianLordno06:06
dbernar1then there is hope, tell us more.06:06
calcof course once he figures out how to make it all good it will go into the kernel06:06
AlbanianLorddbernar i believe it is an alsa issue06:06
REdscalc, ofcourse but point is they help, like all patches, its the point06:06
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dbernar1bye06:06
AlbanianLordbye06:06
AlbanianLordso dbernar can you assist me?06:06
calcREds: also note that if you compile your own kernel you won't get all the other fixes the dist provider has in their kernel06:06
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calcREds: 2.6 kernels are considered unstable by the upstream authors themselves06:07
monkeyybob 2 thanks i think this is gonna work06:07
dbernar1I dont know, likely not, I have no clue about it, but tell nmore about the issue, you have more chance of getting help.06:07
calcREds: they recommend you use dist kernels instead06:07
AlbanianLordlol06:07
REdsbob2, ur missing the point ck has adavantages just lie applying patches too the standard kernel tree or recompiling, just as they have advantages like being less stable, thats all obvious06:07
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calcso at minimum you would want to patch the dist kernel source with the other fixes, not build a kernel.org one06:07
AlbanianLordok i'm told and i've ascertained that I need the ac97 codec06:07
bob2REds: yes, that's an analogy.  anyway, I didn't want a stupidly long discussion, I'm just trying to shut down this cargo-cult floklore thing06:07
AlbanianLordbut for whatever reason I get NO sound whatsoever06:08
REdsbob2, well not according too vendors and kernel.org its in the stable stream, has been for ages, its a bit late arguing now that 2.6 isnt stable though06:08
youthhow do i remove my previous version of wine?06:08
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youthi went to winehq.com and couldn't see how to06:08
dbernar1sound card?06:08
REdsbob2, cargo-cult floklore thing ? what do u mean06:08
bob2REds: I don't even know what you're arguing now06:08
monkeyybob 2 thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!!06:08
bob2REds: I never said 2.6 is unstable06:08
bob2monkeyy: np06:08
REdsbob2, i didnt want a long discussion either, but u keept asking me why06:08
bob2lunchtime, y'all06:08
REdscalc REds: 2.6 kernels are considered unstable by the upstream authors themselves ; sorry that was meant for calc06:09
HrdwrBoBREds: compiling your own kernel is not worth the waste of time and effort06:09
dbernar1yall:)06:09
bob2REds: because I wanted to see if you had a strong reason, or if you were repeating what someone else had told you06:09
AlbanianLorddbernar;: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)06:09
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dbernar1bob2: w00t, whats cooking?>06:09
calcREds: actually they aren't what you been reading/smoking? :)06:09
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bob2dbernar1: pumpkin soup, it seems06:09
dbernar1im totally starving.06:09
REdswaste of time, its no real effort and takes hardly anytime, these days thatsa  pointless argument HrdwrBoB realy06:09
dbernar1sweet, tell me when its done.06:09
calcREds: iirc upstream kernel.org people recommend using redhat kernels06:09
AlbanianLordmay I suggest albanian food?06:09
REdsits like why upgrade ubuntu, its not worth the time, downloads and effort06:10
AlbanianLordi hear it's excellent06:10
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dbernar1ok, go ahead, AlbanianLord .06:10
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HrdwrBoBREds: exactly, if it works and it's good enough. don't upgrade.06:10
crimsun!tell AlbanianLord about alsa-source06:10
REdscalc, its all based from the same kernel tree, wether its mandrake or redhat u realise06:10
HrdwrBoBunless you want something specific06:10
HrdwrBoBREds: there are *large* amounts of patches.06:10
AlbanianLordgoahead crimsun06:10
REdsHrdwrBoB, but alot dont and they upgrade, and thats how it is06:10
crimsunAlbanianLord: the name of the driver you want to select is called azx.06:10
danielsthere are absolutely ungodly amounts of patches06:10
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calcREds: thats like saying debian's xfree86 was just like upstreams ;)06:11
AlbanianLordhelp me through it then!06:11
REdsi believe uz want me too justify myself or somethn, i didnt say i know all06:11
danielsunless you have an absolutely crushing problem which your vendor cannot solve, it's suicidal to move away from a vendor kernel06:11
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daniels(noting that it also loses you security support)06:11
crimsunAlbanianLord: I just had a link sent to you via query.06:11
REdscalc, almost, ;o06:11
calcREds: nope not even close06:11
calcREds: redhat's kernel patch is huge aiui, and so was debian's xfree86 patch (10MB gzip'd)06:11
REdsnot realy, heaps of vendor kernels still need security patches too be applied06:11
REdsye i know06:11
AlbanianLordlol06:12
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AlbanianLordso azx is it?06:12
ridejibcan't we all just get along?06:12
crimsunAlbanianLord: yep06:12
ridejiblol06:12
AlbanianLordhow do I work that beast!06:12
REdsim aware that vendor kernels are better sorted for there hardware, but theres no reason u can use standard kernel tree, updates, and ck for example, and apply say vendor patches06:13
crimsunAlbanianLord: just follow the instructions in the query that I had sent to you.06:13
REdseither ither each too there own realy06:13
aruwanna hear something funny, my nic I've been fighting works just fine, if anyone remembers, I said the green light was on once before... that was with a direct cable from the router to the laptop, the cable in my garage I was testing it with, I wired opposite on each end06:13
crimsunaru: so r8169 works fine?06:14
AlbanianLordwhy kernel source 2.4.2706:14
AlbanianLord?06:14
crimsunAlbanianLord: erm, you didn't follow my instructions...06:14
arucrimsun, I dont want to talk about it :)06:14
crimsunaru: fair 'nuff06:14
calci have a 8169 at home that works fine :)06:14
AlbanianLordi thought i did06:15
AlbanianLordlol06:15
crimsunAlbanianLord: linux-headers-$(uname -r)06:15
AlbanianLordlol06:15
IceDC571!info msttcorefonts06:15
AlbanianLordgot it06:15
ubotumsttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section multiverse/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB06:15
sjjubb1989does anyone know that program that you can play songs off of your ipod in linux?06:15
Dr_WillisHmm.. you mount your ipod as a normal usb drive I thought. so about anything can play files off it.06:16
FlannelKingdoes anyone else not see msttcorefonts in their repos?06:16
crimsunFlannelKing: it's in multiverse.06:16
FlannelKingI have multiverse06:16
Dr_WillisUnless i totally missunderstand how the ipod works. ;)06:16
crimsunsjjubb1989: what Dr_Willis said.06:16
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sjjubb1989Is ther a better way to sort my music? Music Player crashes for some reason06:16
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FlannelKinghmm, I dont have multiverse... thats odd, nevrmind then06:16
sjjubb1989Crimsun, Dr_Willis: I got the ipod mounted, its just the sorting music like thing06:16
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aceidiadoes anyone know anything about cedega?06:17
crimsunaceidia: #cedega does06:17
calci get plenty of spam though so perhaps thats the most i will get, heh06:17
HrdwrBoBaceidia: yes06:17
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AlbanianLordcrimsun how do I select that module06:18
crimsuncalc: I can funnel some of the spam that hits me to you if you'd like ;)06:18
ridejibWell, good night everyone, and enjoy your speed arguments06:18
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HrdwrBoBaceidia: do you have a question?06:18
sjjubb1989lol06:18
calccrimsun: no thats ok, i finally managed to get it down to only ~ 15/day that hit my inbox06:18
pfaulttime to get keyboard out of dishwasher06:19
calccrimsun: i had to run spamassassin on my local box since my webhost disabled all the useful features, heh06:19
crimsund'oh06:19
calci get somewhere around 400-500 spam a day and another 1000+ viruses06:19
ice_1963ok06:19
calcclamav is teh r0x06:19
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jasoncoheni see an ip from russia in last -d. it appears this person logged into my machine but the only port i have open that would allow remote access is ssh and that isn't accessible from the internet - plus it's public key only06:19
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jasoncohendoes last -d mean a successful login attempt was made?06:19
AlbanianLordcrimsun how do I select azx06:20
seth_kjasoncohen: there's a bug report on that06:20
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dbernar1AlbanianLord: I am sure taht link tells you06:20
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dbernar1Do you have the link?06:20
crimsunAlbanianLord: you select it in the third screen when you sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source06:20
elmagozizouhiii06:20
elmagozizouI need some help06:20
PlutoPrimehow do you "Name" a burning session with gnome-baker!??!06:20
seth_kjasoncohen: it's apparently a memory leak in gdm, not a russian anything06:20
elmagozizouI just install ubuntu06:20
calcjasoncohen: that sounds bad06:20
dbernar1help you shall get06:20
PlutoPrimeI can't find such an option anywhere... is it even possible?06:20
calcjasoncohen: oh nm see what seth_k said06:20
jasoncohenseth_k, why would a memory leak in gdm show some russian ip?06:21
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AlbanianLordi got an error crimsun06:21
jasoncohenseth_k, thanks, i feel better now06:21
seth_khttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12568 && https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=892506:21
dbernar1AlbanianLord: say what it said.06:21
thechitowncubshey everyone, im trying to repair my sis's computer, it freezes at the gdm, the activity cursor never stops spinning06:21
thechitowncubsi'm in the recovery mode root console, any advice on what to check?06:22
jasoncohen...heh, so can i get rid of the firewall rule blocking that ip?06:22
seth_kyep, gdm memory leak06:22
seth_kyeah :D06:22
seth_kbecause it's a random IP06:22
seth_kyours just happened to show up from russia06:22
calcseth_k: yea i see lots of random ips in my last log06:22
AlbanianLordchecking for directory with kernel source... /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386checking for directory with kernel build... /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-38606:22
AlbanianLordchecking for kernel version... The file /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386/include/linux/version.h does not exist.06:22
AlbanianLordPlease, install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution06:22
AlbanianLordor use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel06:22
AlbanianLordsources (default is /usr/src/linux).06:22
AlbanianLordmake: *** [configure-stamp]  Error 106:22
AlbanianLordsorry about that06:22
dbernar1nothing just ahppens to show up from russia, is a plan.06:22
jasoncohenseth_k, you sure. needsomehelp saw the same thing in his last -d06:22
elmagozizouCan any one help my....I have  litle problem...I just install ubuntu06:22
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Madpilot!pastebin06:22
ubotuhmm... pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood06:23
dbernar1AlbanianLord: please use pastebin.com, or #flood for pasteing more than a few lines 1-2-3 of text06:23
calcthey all seem to end in .0 though which is fishy, probably that same bug :)06:23
seth_kjasoncohen: depending on your configuration, you get one of several IPs. A lot of people in #kubuntu got the same one, too.06:23
calcdbernar1: did the ip end in .0 for you too?06:23
AlbanianLord#flood checking for directory with kernel source... /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386checking for directory with kernel build... /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-38606:23
AlbanianLordchecking for kernel version... The file /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386/include/linux/version.h does not exist.06:23
AlbanianLordPlease, install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution06:23
AlbanianLordor use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel06:23
AlbanianLordsources (default is /usr/src/linux).06:23
AlbanianLordmake: *** [configure-stamp]  Error 106:23
dbernar1calc: its a takeover,06:23
AlbanianLordi pasted it06:23
dbernar1hehe06:23
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dbernar1 /join #flood, but we sdaw it already06:24
jasoncohenseth_k, again, thanks for the info06:24
jasoncohenis the bug report on ubuntu's bugzilla?06:24
seth_kyes, those are both Ubuntu bugreports06:24
Marble2Okay, I don't know what I did wrong, but I had totem playing almost all types of video files, now I changed something and it will only play .mpg/.mpeg files, every other type of file gives me a handling error. Does anyone know how to fix this?06:24
seth_kglad I could help you06:24
AlbanianLordso what went wrong06:24
AlbanianLord?06:24
seth_kRussian IPs would worry me too :P06:24
seth_kif you look it up, it's actually the IP of a Russian bank06:24
seth_krussian bank h4x0r pwns joo06:24
jasoncohenseth_k, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1256806:25
jasoncohenseth_k, that's the ip i saw06:25
dbernar1im blinking and Im thinking, hm, yeah...06:25
holycowmarble, right click on file, do properties, go to open with and add/check what apps you want to open that file type06:25
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tiglionabbitMarble2: is it totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?06:25
seth_kjasoncohen: seems to be fixed in breezy, I don't get it anymore on my breezy installs06:25
Marble2tiglionabbit: totem-xine06:26
Marble2i have w32codecs installed06:26
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tiglionabbithmm, that's odd06:26
Marble2yea06:26
dbernar1evrything is odd.06:26
tiglionabbitwhat is the error?06:26
Marble2what the hell... it just started playing .wmv files06:27
Marble2still no .avi though06:27
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Marble2the error is06:27
dbernar1haha06:27
Marble2video codec 'XviD format' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies06:27
Marble2XviD format changes, depending on what the video is encoded in though06:27
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Marble2hm, now it won't play a different wmv file06:28
Marble2this is weird06:28
dbernar1so anyhow, what  do people do with their computers that they need winblows, that is the question of the day, I swear.06:28
tiglionabbitMarble2: can you play it in gxine or xine-ui?06:28
calcseth_k: its still doing it for me on breezy, but i haven't restarted gdm in 5 days06:28
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sjjubb1989Marble206:28
sjjubb1989Marble2: This guide might help06:29
Marble2yea, it plays in gxine06:29
Marble2I won't have xine-ui06:29
tiglionabbitdbernar1: the only thing I need windows for is TabletPC Edition Ink.06:29
Marble2and they all play fine in mplayer06:29
eno__what does middle click do?  I read that it is used in linux but mine doesn't seem to do anything06:29
seth_kcalc: maybe I am lucky I guess06:29
sjjubb1989Marble2: are you using ubuntu. then use  Alex Leanders <Hollygirlgreen@aol.com>06:29
sjjubb1989i mean06:29
tiglionabbiteno__: pastes the last thing you hilighted06:29
sjjubb1989erase that email06:29
dbernar1I mean sometimes, I need to use windows,...06:29
dbernar1for like, something...06:29
sjjubb1989that is not it. i ment to past a link06:29
eno__oh thanks06:29
calcseth_k: heh06:29
Marble2sjjubb1989: huh? email him?06:29
Marble2tiglionabbit: any ideas?06:29
sjjubb1989http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories06:30
seth_ksjjubb1989: LOL, nice paste ;)06:30
tiglionabbiteno__: it also does different things when you click on unpastable places, like the title bar on a window, or a hyperlink06:30
FlannelKingIn synaptec, in the category view, Installed, Not installed, Upgradable, that sort of thing, what does "Installed (local or obsolete)" mean?06:30
sjjubb1989Don't email her06:30
dbernar1but, I mean, ubuntu is sooo much more advanced, and everything works in linux, and there are sooo many more programs, reall.06:30
Tomcat_dbernar1: Gaming? :o06:30
dbernar1bah06:30
Marble2sjjubb1989: what will adding more repos give me?06:30
seth_kmore goodies06:30
sjjubb1989more choices for software06:30
sjjubb1989exactly06:30
Marble2right06:30
Marble2but06:30
Marble2what packages do I need to install06:30
dbernar1now that, is just stupid, anyhow, I dont wanna diss anyhow, flame, troll whatever.06:30
eno__I will try it out06:30
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tiglionabbitdbernar1: yeah, and inkscape comes very close to the things I want from ink, but it is not there yet.  I should develop it =)06:30
sjjubb1989Marble2:06:30
Marble2btw, I'm already using universe and multiverse06:31
pfaulthehe06:31
sjjubb1989Marble2: The guide has certain ones you might want. i did all the media ones06:31
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tiglionabbit!multimedia06:31
ubotufrom memory, multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia06:31
dbernar1nah, anyhow, ya, I guess ppl use computers for non command line things...06:31
geocatorwhy oh why can I not install the newest firefox 1.0.5?06:31
GigaClonis there a linux equvilant to RazorLame (ie GUI front end)06:32
tiglionabbit1.0.5 is the newest?06:32
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poningruyep06:32
calcsound juicer is a gui for ripping, whether its equal to that i dunno06:32
poningruit came out toninght06:32
hylixHey, got a problem with the sk98bin module06:32
tiglionabbitgeocator: well, most of the changes (at least from 1.0.4) have been backported to 1.0.206:32
tiglionabbit!firefox06:32
ubotuI heard firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"06:32
hylixI compiled it from source, but if I put it in /etc/modules it won't generate a eth0 device06:32
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GigaClonI want to transcode some mp3 files06:32
calci personally like acbde encoder for linux, but its command line, you just run the app and it does everything automatically though06:32
hylixIf I reboot so it loads, then rmmod it and reload it, it works06:33
hylixBut then I have to run ifconfig eth0 up and dhclient06:33
Marble2sjjubb1989 and tiglionabbit, I belive I have all the codec packages I need, I just can't get totem to recognize them06:33
Marble2or something06:33
tiglionabbithylix: can't you just "ifup eth0" ?06:33
Marble2because the videos will play fine in other players, and they were playing fine in totem06:33
Marble2I just must have changed something06:33
sjjubb1989Marble2: Ah....06:33
sjjubb1989Marble2: Ok well i'm lost now06:33
hylixtiglionabbit: nope, it should do that on boot, but the driver doesn't recognize the hardware unless i rmmod it and reinstall it06:33
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hylixi tried making an /etc/rcS.d startup script but same problem06:34
shidowysiwug editor for ubuntu is called?06:34
calcshido: webpages? nvu06:34
tiglionabbitshido: sure, openoffice you mean?06:34
shidothank you, 50 pts06:34
shidoand why do I need to reboot 3 times to get gnome-panel?06:34
shidoand HAL errors06:34
tiglionabbitshido: what are you talking about?06:34
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shidounable to initialize HAL06:35
crimsunshido: you're not using linux-image-2.6.11-1-foo, are you?06:35
GigaClonlame front end for ubuntu?06:35
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shido 2.6.10-5-686-smp #1 SMP06:35
shidohrmm06:35
shidook06:35
calcGigaClon: sound juicer will do that06:35
shidohow come synaptic didnt notify me06:35
calcGigaClon: and its installed by default on ubuntu06:35
shidodagnabbit06:35
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rainingzigzagswhats a good video player to install that plays more video formats?06:36
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GigaCloncalc, does it transcode too?06:36
calcrainingzigzags: totem-xine06:36
calcGigaClon: i don't think it will do that06:36
GigaClonI have mp3 files encoded at 320 and I want them at 12806:36
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tiglionabbitrainingzigzags: vlc claims to, but isn't compiled for realmedia.  Mplayer should06:36
calcGigaClon: you can do that fairly simplely with a script06:37
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calcmpg123 output to stdout and have lame read from stdin and encode to 12806:37
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shidook06:38
GigaClonwindows had razorlame that did that quite nicely06:38
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shidocrimsun, using synaptic how do I upgrade my kernel to 2.6.x06:38
shidooh nevermind06:38
shidoI see it06:38
shidothank you06:38
calcgrr libmad is broken on the archive for amd64 arch, bad package md5sum06:38
rainingzigzagswhich one will play divx files?06:38
daakui'm new to the ppc linux combination, and i cant seem to get my powerbook to boot using either an install or a live cd.. i'm holding down the c key, burned different cd's to make sure it wasnt a bad burn..06:39
thechitowncubsor you can set up ubuntu to do it06:39
thechitowncubshey everyone, im trying to repair my sis's computer, it freezes at the gdm, the activity cursor never stops spinning06:39
calcGigaClon: to do the same under linux takes a one line script maybe about 80 chars06:39
shido10 seconds remaining06:39
thechitowncubsi'm in the recovery mode root console, any advice on what to check?06:39
crimsuncalc: topic06:39
calcGigaClon: so there might not be any transcode app to do it since it is so simple06:39
calccrimsun: ah, hehe06:39
elmagozizouwho offer help here?06:40
calcGigaClon: once i install the package i can tell you what that one line is06:40
elmagozizouI need help..I just install ubuntu06:40
flodinehow do i update my kernel using synaptic06:40
flodinehelp06:40
calcoh actually lame can transcode itself06:41
flodinedont sleep now guys06:41
FlannelKingIs there a problem with the repository listing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories ?  Im getting errors, are they just the repo being down?06:41
flodinehow do i update my kernel using synaptic06:42
calcjust do lame --mp3input in.mp3 out.mp3 and tell it what bitrate/quality to use06:42
calcif you have a lot to convert just use a for loop06:42
FlannelKingelmagozizou, it's best to just ask your question06:43
calcfor i in (list of files); do lame --mp3input $i `basename $i .mp3`.new.mp3; done06:43
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spermie_411how do tell cedega to install a game from cdrom?06:44
thechitowncubshey everyone, im trying to repair my sis's computer, it freezes at the gdm, the activity cursor never stops spinning06:44
thechitowncubsi'm in the recovery mode root console, any advice on what to check?06:44
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gyaresuthechitowncubs, are you using 2.6.11 ?06:44
tessierspermie_411: Did you just message me?06:44
tessierspermie_411: I think you are infected.06:45
thechitowncubsI don't think so... but possibly06:45
tessierheh...infected spermie...hehehehe06:45
calcGigaClon: did you see the line above?06:45
GigaClonyeah06:45
GigaClonthanks06:45
calcok :)06:45
tessierspermie_411: You should go down to the clinic and get checked out06:45
thechitowncubsgyaresu: what would that effect?06:45
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calcGigaClon: lame has quality settings besides just constant bitrate settings that are better to use if you don't need exactly 128kbps06:45
spermie_411wrong tessier06:45
spermie_411sorry06:46
spermie_411and dont get an attiude with me either06:46
gpledanyone using bittorrent?06:46
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aruyeah!06:46
gyaresu2.6.11 hung for me while loading gdm.06:46
aruattitudes are... nevermind06:46
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gpledaru: that yeah for me?06:46
gyaresuthechitowncubs, 2.6.11 hung for me.06:46
thechitowncubson the gdm load?06:46
jc_chello06:47
gyaresuthechitowncubs, i'd try a different kernel.06:47
arugyaresu, it wasn't but I do use bittorrent06:47
Marble2Okay, I don't know what I did wrong, but I had totem playing almost all types of video files, now I changed something and it will only play .mpg/.mpeg files, every other type of file gives me a handling error. Does anyone know how to fix this?06:47
thechitowncubsdid it freeze on the gdm load>?06:47
elmagozizouok...here is my problem...I intalls ubuntu twice because GRUB doesnt wnat to boot just after the instalation....then I decide to install it using lilo...but know lilo doesnt offer me the option yo boot my windows partition...whow do i do that?06:47
ticktocapplications just drop into nowhere..  finally discovered this msg in xsession-errors -> "appliation <whatever> lost its connection to the display :0.0 most likely the x server etc.. etc.. Any Ideas?06:47
tessierspermie_411: So you did message me? What do you want?06:47
gpledaru: how can i tell if others are getting files from me?06:47
aruit should say, let me grab something06:48
tessierspermie_411 hey06:48
gyaresuthechitowncubs, (preface your messages with a name...)06:48
gyaresuthechitowncubs, froze after loging in.06:48
thechitowncubsgyaresu: i don't think thats the problem then06:48
tessierRunning xchat and somehow infected? That doesn't make sense. But it doesn't make sense why he would randomly message me "hey" either06:49
arugpled, click the upload tab06:49
ticktocoh...  btw...  this occurs 98% of the time in gnome...  luckily i use windowmaker 98% of the time.. <g>06:49
gpledaru:  k06:50
calcMarble2: tried installing totem-xine?06:50
aruthat comma seperator is pissing me off06:50
elmagozizouok...here is my problem...I intalls ubuntu twice because GRUB doesnt wnat to boot just after the instalation....then I decide to install it using lilo...but know lilo doesnt offer me the option yo boot my windows partition...whow do i do that?06:50
gyaresuthechitowncubs, can you CTL+ALT+F2 while gdm is freezing?06:50
thechitowncubsto get into a console?06:50
thechitowncubsif thats what that does then no06:50
arugpled: apparently its supposed to say next to Status06:50
arugpled: mine says zero06:50
calcelmagozizou: what error did grub give?06:50
gyaresuelmagozizou, sounds like drive order and partition numbers...06:50
dbernar1he is using ext3.06:50
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calcelmagozizou: is your boot drive on a hpt ide controller?06:51
gyaresuthechitowncubs, yes. to get a look at the messages...06:51
gpledaru:  mine says 11.1 MB at 0.00 KB/s06:51
GigaCloncalc can you link me to a bash scripting tutorial?06:51
arugpled: once you click the Cap boxes and set it, then it starts sharing06:51
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thechitowncubsgyaresu: ya, i can't even do that06:52
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arumine did anyway06:52
thechitowncubsonce i try to do that the cursor goes away and it does nothing06:52
Marble2calc: uh, yea06:52
gpledaru: lol, i thought i was being a nice guy, by not putting a cap on :)06:52
gyaresuthechitowncubs, is this a new install? have you tried different kernels?06:53
calcMarble2: oh :(06:53
elmagozizou WHen i boot after the installation06:53
elmagozizougrub says "grub loading....please wait"06:53
hylixtiglionabbit: if you're still capable of helping me, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=252550#post25255006:53
elmagozizoubut stays there06:53
elmagozizoubut06:53
elmagozizouthere is not the problem know06:54
elmagozizousee now i cnat boot..just that only linux06:54
calcGigaClon: http://steve-parker.org/sh/sh.shtml06:54
calcGigaClon: that one looks decent06:54
elmagozizouI dont know how to bot windows...06:54
calcGigaClon: also aiui there are good bash docs as well outside of the manpage itself06:54
arugpled: is it working?06:54
tiglionabbithehe hylix, I'm sorry, I'm not much help with complicated things.  I'm just here to knock some sense into people when the problem is obvious, and try to be as helpful as possible06:54
hylixtiglionabbit: roger, thanks for your help anyway. it's driving me insane06:54
dbernar1elmagozizou: I cant boot windows even if I have only that on there.06:55
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calcGigaClon: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html06:55
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calcelmagozizou: oh ok06:55
gpledaru: yes, thanks for the help!06:56
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aruno problem!06:56
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Amazin9_Gracehgghgh06:56
gyaresuelmagozizou, dual boot system? you want windows back? one ide harddrive?06:56
shido2.6 crashes on my box06:57
shido:(06:57
blmartin777is there a gnome processor temp applet?06:57
dbernar1just reinstall winblows06:57
aruI helped someone today!06:57
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dbernar1and then grub.06:57
aruI now rock06:57
dbernar1wow06:57
dbernar1\o/06:57
dbernar1like the ubuntu logo.06:58
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dbernar1an ascii bootsplash06:58
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Amazin9_Gracerhryrty06:59
dbernar1totally.06:59
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tiglionabbitwhat exactly is $CDPATH for?07:00
tiglionabbitooooh07:01
tiglionabbitI see07:01
FlannelKingelmagozizou, you still have windows installed? you just need to get to the grub menu to choose?07:02
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jc_cBugsbang: compatriote :)07:03
tiglionabbit!recover07:03
ubotufrom memory, recover is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows07:03
Bugsbangyo07:04
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da_bon_bonhi all -- do you guys keep your pc top notch up to date ? (not sync to devel..)  or just as it was when released ?07:04
aruI updated once07:05
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da_bon_bonaru: and then never ?07:05
arunope07:06
da_bon_boncoz software isnt really updated, its just given fixes.07:06
Mestapheleshi all07:06
aruI just installed the system, ran the update and called it good07:06
da_bon_bonoh07:07
da_bon_bondidnt like it ?07:07
da_bon_bon:D07:07
gyaresuda_bon_bon, if it's a desktop machine and everything you use works then its irrelevant. on the otherhand, if it's a server....07:07
CentaurI just installed ubuntu 2 hours ago and already love it! When did the installation set the root password though cause I don't know what it is, I only recall creating a user?07:07
FlannelKingyou should keep it updated, if nothing but security patches07:07
Tomcat_!sudo07:07
ubotusudo is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo07:07
Tomcat_Centaur: Please read that. :)07:07
FlannelKingCentaur, ubuntu doesnt use root, read that ;)07:07
da_bon_bongyaresu: no, a desktop machine.07:07
da_bon_bonwhats the easiest and simplest way to have mp3 support on a clean ubuntu install ?07:08
CentaurFlannelKing: really, so is my user I setup root?07:08
firebird619Is there anything else I have to set up anywhere after installing a modem to get it to work. I installed the modem with drivers for Linux that I downloaded from the manufacturers Web site and when I run wvdial it returns Modem Not Responding. Can anyone help me solve this problem?07:08
MestaphelesI'm getting messages like Filesystem "hda4":I/O Error Detected.  Shutting down filesystems:hda4.  Please umount ...07:08
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aruI'm not supposed to be using root? :)07:09
tiglionabbit!sudo07:09
ubotusomebody said sudo was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo07:09
Mestaphelessudo reboot, and sudo shutdown -h now, don't work.  They giive an imput/output error.07:09
tiglionabbitaru: does it suffice to use sudo -s ?07:09
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FlannelKingCentaur, no, your user is set as an administrator, not root, you enter your OWN password for things like sudo, halfway in between, really, read that page07:09
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aruI've been opening a root terminal when I need to do something07:09
tiglionabbitaru: same thing07:10
CentaurFlannelKing: Okay, I'll go read it if I can get it to load07:10
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dbernar1tiglionabbit: how do you turn that off completely?07:10
HostingGeekhttp://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=376607:10
HostingGeekRead that!07:10
tiglionabbitdbernar1: turn what off?07:10
FlannelKingturn what off?07:10
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HostingGeekanyone who uses GPL software07:10
HostingGeekmust read http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=376607:11
Tomcat_aru: It's your own decision... of course you can use the root account. :o07:11
Madpilotcrap... Screem just froze up hard on me. I thought only Windoze programs did that? :)07:11
tiglionabbitMadpilot: nope, stuff happens07:11
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Madpilot... actually, a windows prog would have taken the whole computer down with it...07:11
aruapp07:11
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tiglionabbitYou know, I've found that I can edit 40+ images in the gimp and run 4 different media players at the same time in linux.  On windows, that would have caused some sluggish behavior and lots of crashing07:13
MestaphelesMadpilot:go to console07:13
dr_willisHmm... odd.. all my menu items in the gnome applications menu are doubled07:13
tiglionabbitdr_willis: using xfce?07:13
tiglionabbitoh wait, that would imply no07:14
spermie_411anyone in here use cedega?07:14
dr_willistiglionabbit,  :P07:14
dr_willishmm - where does gnome get all the menu items from anyway? ive never looked into that.07:14
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dr_willisdebian has some sort of directory stucture for the default menus dont it?07:14
MestaphelesXFS has just umounted two of my partitions and I get I/O errors when passing commands.  Any thoughts?07:14
MadpilotMestapheles: nah, nothing else happened aside from Screem falling over...07:14
tiglionabbitdr_willis: well, I had the same problem in xfce.  It's because xfce read both /usr/share/applications and that/kde, while gnome or kde only read their own07:14
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tiglionabbitdr_willis: I don't know how gnome could have started doing that, unless it got the kde directory included somehow07:15
MadpilotMestapheles: unless there's a way of checking logs somewhere to see why Screem froze?07:15
dr_willistiglionabbit,  ah.. testing out matchbox window manager also.. Hmm running vnc also. lets see07:15
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tiglionabbitMadpilot: did it screem as it died?07:15
dr_willisah - si thats what /usr/share is for.. I saw that dir earlier...07:15
Mestaphelesyes there should be a xorg_error log or something like that in /var07:15
NameeaterI've mounted my NTFS partition, but I can't access it, what should I do to get access?07:15
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tiglionabbitdr_willis: /usr/share is for any settings that apply to all user accounts, like themes, applications lists, and a crapload of other stuff07:16
dr_willistiglionabbit,  yea - looking at it now.07:16
Madpilottiglionabbit: :) nope - but that might have been an esd-related error, like every other sound bug I've heard about...07:16
Mestaphelesanyone ever get a cannot execute "sbin/getty" ?07:16
tiglionabbitMestapheles: that's bad, does that mean you can't login?07:17
tiglionabbitMestapheles: you might want to check that it exists, and is r-x07:17
Mestaphelescan't do anything.  XFS went rannk on me.  I guess sshing in from another computer wouldn't work either.07:18
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Mestapheleswell, I'm sure it exists.  I thinnk it is because XFS umounted two partitions for me for some problem it had.07:18
Mestaphelestiglionabbit:  am I correct to assume I can only hard reboot?07:19
tiglionabbitMestapheles: uh, what, why?  oh, is it because reboot can't login or something?07:19
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Mestaphelesyeah, sudo reboot, sudo shutdown -h now all give me a "I/O error"07:20
HrdwrBoBsounds like something is very. very. broken07:20
Mestaphelesall consoles give me the "unable to execute '/sbin/getty'"07:20
tiglionabbitMestapheles: you should be able to tap the power button gently to get a safe shutdown07:21
Mestaphelesyeah reiser gave me simmilar errors after the first reboot07:21
tiglionabbitbut I wouldn't shut down in that situation, unless planning to put in a boot cd07:21
Mestapheleswill do.  Well back to ext2 and ext307:21
Mestapheleswell here comes a reintall.  XFS and reiser suck on ppc.07:22
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Madpilotdamn, Screem just fell over again... it's too bad, I like it better that Bluefish... but Bluefish doesn't crash...07:23
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dijungalhi folks07:25
dijungalhave any of u use Mepis... how does it compare to Ubuntu...?07:25
Codestormubuntu is better07:25
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dijungalin what way..?07:26
tiglionabbitlol, what sort of answer do you expect from us?07:26
dijungali know.. hehehe07:26
Codestormwell, i've tried almost every distro i could find at some stage07:26
dijungalbut i was looking for something mroe objective... like tell me why it is beter yuh know07:26
Codestormand ubuntu is best07:26
Codestormbecause it works07:26
Madpilotdijungal: you're on #ubuntu, of course Ubuntu is better... :)07:26
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dijungallol07:26
dijungalayte folks.. i get the point07:26
dijungali'll have to try it myself.. :)07:26
Codestormhehe07:26
dijungaln-e-ways.. i been up like 48hrs here... i need to sleep... i'll try Ubuntu later today07:27
Madpilotdijungal: the LiveCDs make trying it fairly painless, anyway07:27
gyaresudijungal, cause ubuntu fixes most of the annoying things about debian.07:27
dijungali tried Mepis and it works out great for me... but i'm open minded07:27
Mestaphelesmepis is only pc07:27
gyaresudijungal, the 'just works' factor.07:27
Mestaphelesubuntu supports ppc07:27
WildBillany mplayer gurus here?  I am having trouble playing an AVI... encoded with xvid for video, and a52 for audio07:27
dijungalwhat is ppc..?07:27
WildBillevery other video works great...07:28
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Mestaphelesyes, ubuntu is really good at auto-configuring07:28
Mestaphelespowerpc07:28
dijungalok07:28
dijungalmac07:28
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Mestaphelesan IBM chip.07:28
dijungalwell folks it's been great... but i gots to run... :)07:28
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dijungalthanx07:28
Mestaphelestheir top end servers are ppc,  infact many are07:28
dijungalk07:28
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Mestaphelesyour game consoles are ppc too.  I think all of them are now.  xbox360, Cell, etc07:29
gyaresuWildBill, do you have the package w32codec installed?07:29
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WildBillgyaresu, yep.  Like I said, I can play other vids just fine.07:29
WildBillThis one blows up with a signal 11 in decode_audio when I go to play it07:30
WildBillbut VLC and Totem-Xine play it fine07:30
Centaur5My wireless connection keeps timing out so I have to reboot to get it to work again, is there another way to do it?07:30
MestaphelesI'm still waiting for linux on the xbox360 with that G3.2 Ghz processor07:30
c0_15_ri_cool_abhi07:30
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gyaresuWildBill, ah. a little specific for a quck help :)07:30
WildBillheh07:31
WildBillyeha07:31
gyaresuWildBill, *quick07:31
WildBilljust didn't know if anyone here knows much about it07:31
Mestaphelessorry I meant G5 #5 3.2Ghz xbox36007:31
MestaphelesG5 3.2Ghz xbox36007:31
firebird619Could anyone please help me with my modem problem. I have the drivers installed which I got from the manufacturer and wvdial keeps saying Modem Not Responding. Can anyone help me?07:31
daybreakerhey everyone. I just installed Ubuntu, and as my first trip into Linux Land, I think I'm doing ok.  One final problem:  I cant access shared folders on my Linux machine from a windows machine.  I can see it on the windows machine on the network explorer, but it asks for a login to get in to the linux box.  Any ideas? Thanks07:31
gyaresuWildBill, On the up side, at least something plays it.07:31
jasmuzfirebird619: what modem is that?07:32
firebird619Intel 537EP07:32
gyaresufirebird619, love to help but gotta go soon. sorry.07:32
WildBillyeah, but I need all the speed I can get - I'm on an 867Mhz Crusoe07:32
jasmuzfirebird619: what com port is it at?07:32
WildBilltotem and vlc are just a touch choppy, while mplayer usually hums right along07:32
firebird619jasmuz: how do I tell?07:32
jasmuzdaybreaker: did you try your login & pass?07:33
tiglionabbitI don't find totem to be choppy, but I do find gmplayer to crash07:33
gyaresudaybreaker, you are supposed to go to wiki.ubuntu.com but you can also try ubuntuguide.org07:33
jasmuzfirebird619: did you use to have that modem under Win?...if so, do you remember where it was Com1, 2 or 3?07:33
firebird619gyaresu: thanks, you were helping me last night but I couldn't do what you suggested because I have no Internet access on Ubuntu.  I put in a different modem today hoping to solve the problem.07:34
tiglionabbitvlc is indeed a little bit choppy, but it doesn't use many system resources...07:34
gyaresufirebird619, externals are the troublefree way... if you have one.07:34
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firebird619jasmuz: Yes, had it in windows but I have Ubuntu on a different PC.07:34
gyaresufirebird619, they are 'real' modems.07:34
firebird619gyaresu: yes, I know, I will have to eventually invest in one.07:35
xkusemedoes anybody know what the package ubuntu-calendar does?07:35
daybreakeryeah, I tried all sorts of login/pass combos but none worked. Oh well. I'll check out the wiki07:35
jasmuzfirebird619: did you try setting the device port ttyS0 to test firs?07:35
jasmuzxkuseme: its a calendar Ubuntu used to roll out with diferent images for your screen07:36
gyaresudaybreaker, preface your message with the name you are talking to. it help pop-up the window for that person.07:36
xkusemejasmuz: used to? so i just got it. how do i start it?07:36
gyaresudaybreaker, (you can TAB complete the name also)07:36
daybreakergyaresu: yeah, I just noticed that. Too used to MIRC, I guess. Thanks07:36
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jasmuzxkuseme: just do a left click, and you should have some other wallpapers07:36
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abhayksneed some help on gdesklests07:37
firebird619jasmuz: you mean before I installed the drivers or after?  I left it at /dev/modem before driver install. After I installed the drivers, it said it would either be /dev/modem or /dev/537 and I tried both and it didn't work07:37
jasmuzabarbaccia: what is your issue?07:37
trinidadhow do i find out the (hdX,Y) number for my partitions07:37
abhayksthe frame along the launch icons is too big -- I have tried to configure it and make it small. No go07:38
jasmuzfirebird619:  try wit /dev/ttyS0 up to ttyS2(wicha are the diferent comm ports)07:38
gyaresudaybreaker, past your smb.conf if you feel safe doing so... http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/07:38
abhayksis there some specific way to do it07:38
frankI'm trying to shrink a ntfs partition using gparted. It is not doing it yet I don't get an error message either. any ideas?07:39
gyaresutrinidad, fdisk -l /dev/hda (or /dev/sda for serial drive)07:39
trinidadHELP ! How do i find out the (hdX,Y) number for my partitions07:39
gyaresutrinidad, fdisk -l /dev/hda (or /dev/sda for serial drive)07:39
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firebird619jasmuz: Do I try that with wvdial or what, When I tried with /dev/modem and /dev/537 I was using Networking under System ==> Administration. If I use wvdial, how do I specify the different ports?07:39
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tiglionabbittrinidad: X is the number of the hard disk, and Y is the number of the partition, both 0 based and starting from the first in their order07:39
tiglionabbittrinidad: hda1 is hd0,0 for example07:40
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jasmuzfirebird619: you can configure the wvdial , with the wvdial.conf07:40
abhaykswas my question regarding gdesklets tooo noob. If yes then please tell me where to get more info07:40
trinidadtiglionabbit, THANX MUCH!!07:40
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firebird619jasmuz: Yes, I remember seeing that now. I will try those different ports and get back to you07:41
trinidadgyaresu, THANX MUCH!07:41
gyaresutrinidad, s'aight.07:41
trinidad;)07:41
jasmuzabhayks: gdesklets has a page. ...i recomend you go read it07:42
CaptainMorgananyone know how to get an Antheros card working in a thinkpad ?07:42
abhayksthanks jasmuz07:42
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CaptainMorganI recall a known issue with Atheros.. I forget where to look tho07:42
XRayNukeIIRC there was something about WPA not working in madwifi07:43
xkusemehi does anybody know what the values of x and y in this comman do?07:43
xkuseme[#ubuntu]  hi does anybody know what the values of x and y in this comman do?07:43
xkuseme07:43
xkuseme[#ubuntu]  hi does anybody know what the values of x and y in this comman do?07:43
CaptainMorganstop that07:44
xkusemesplashimage (hdx,y)/boot/grub/images/ubuntu_foo.xpm.gz07:44
xkusemesorry07:44
gyaresuxkuseme, (hd0,1) would be the first partition on the primary hdd07:45
firebird619jasmuz: I tried that, ttyS0 returned Device or resource busy, ttyS1 & ttyS2 returned Input/Output error07:45
xkusemegyaresu: hmm ok where do you think should i place this as the splash image for grub07:45
gyaresuxkuseme, then presuming the /boot/ is on that partition it will find the file ubuntu_foo.xpm.gz07:45
jasmuzfirebird619: then i have no clue as where your modem is allocated...07:45
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jasmuzfirebird619: run HAL device manager and see where its at07:46
SDFH_Linuxdoes ubuntu pick up winmodems automatically?07:46
SDFH_Linuxon laptops?07:46
gyaresuxkuseme, i don't think you should unless you are having grub wait for your decision.07:46
gyaresuxkuseme, cause if you set grub to auto boot then it's only on the screen for a second.07:46
CaptainMorganSDFH>> Intel's worked right out of the box for me07:46
jasmuzSDFH_Linux: winmodems....NO07:46
tiglionabbitxkuseme: you put splash images in /boot/grub/images07:47
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xkusemegyaresu: oh ok, so only good for dual boot or different kernels07:47
SDFH_Linuxarent most laptop 56k modems winmodems07:47
jasmuzCaptainMorgan: it all depends on the modem07:47
jasmuzSDFH_Linux: no07:47
firebird619jasmuz: I do not see it in the Device Manager07:47
CaptainMorganwhat are you referring to jas?07:47
gyaresuxkuseme,  you can get grub to wait and not auto boot and then it would be worth it.07:47
CaptainMorganyou lost me.07:47
jasmuzfirebird619: you have serious issues with that modem07:47
xkusemegyaresu: how do you do that?07:47
firebird619jasmuz: The other modem I had installed before this one I could see in the Device Manager but that returned errors which I pasted last night in the Pastebin07:48
gyaresuxkuseme, what? stop the auto boot? 'man grub'07:48
jasmuzCaptainMorgan: not all modems for laptops are recognized07:48
CaptainMorganobviously07:48
CaptainMorgan:)07:48
CaptainMorgani don't think I said that..07:48
gyaresuxkuseme, you'll see a default boot option in /boot/grub/menu.lst07:48
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jasmuzfirebird619: :(07:49
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firebird619jasmuz: Would I have had more luck with the other modem if HAL was seeing it07:49
cafuegoor try the 'Boot' applet in Breezy ;-)07:50
jasmuzfirebird619: what was the previous modem?07:50
xkusemegyaresu: oh can i just set the wait time there?07:50
gyaresuxkuseme, aye. i'm just looking up to see if you set 0 that it waits... can't remember off the top of my head.07:50
xkusemegyaresu: right now it's set to timeout 307:51
firebird619jasmuz: I would have to put it in the PC to get the exact name but it was something to the effect of Conexant HSF 56k07:51
dougmchello all... anyone know how to turn on gnome icon themes in firefox with ubuntu, they are on in fc4, but not ubuntu hoary or breezy afaik (i'm not talking about the gnomefx themes, but real icon theme support)07:51
cafuegodougmc: Do you have firefox-gnome installed?07:51
co_ren_16i can't speak english07:51
firebird619jasmuz: It was Conexant HSF 56k HSFi Modem. I found it written down on a piece of paper07:51
hondjeco_ren_16: what do you speak?07:51
dougmccafuego: yes, i'm on hoary running breezy backports version of fireforx07:52
jasmuzConexant! :P07:52
cafuegodougmc: Hmm. Breezy might be broken, as well.07:52
cafuego(IS even)07:52
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jasmuzfirebird619: dude get yourself a decent modem07:52
kafeinefirebird619, conexants are shitty little things07:52
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naliothhowdy07:52
dougmccafuego: the icon theme support was in prereleases of hoary, but then disappeared, haven't seen it come back in breezy just curious if theres a build option or something07:52
firebird619jasmuz: I just found the Intel Modem in HAL, it says Unknown but I know it is the modem07:52
daybreakergyaresu: I just checked the wiki, and it told me to go into the general tab of my network settings, except half of the things they tell me to do arent there.  ie: They say to check the box that says "Enable windows sharing" but that box does not exist.07:53
cafuegodougmc: possible, does the changelog in /usr/share/doc/firefox(-gnome) mention it?07:53
jasmuzfirebird619: did you check out the forums to see if anybody has made that one work07:53
gyaresudoes anyone have a copy of sharethenet07:53
hondjefirebird619: http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/07:53
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firebird619hondje: I tried that link already, this drivers didn't work either07:54
gyaresudoes anyone remember sharethenet? the website is down and firebird619 needs a copy.07:54
hondjeis it a HCF modem?07:54
firebird619jasmuz: No I hadn't yet.07:54
firebird619hondje: HSF07:54
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hondjehrm, 'should' work, but if their free drivers dont, then their pay ones wont either07:55
adonimnew to it all... am I right here for a question about firefox flash plugin...?07:55
jasmuzadonim: what is the question at hand?07:56
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firebird619jasmuz: Does this mean anything. In Networking under System ==> Administration. When it is set to /dev/modem and I click Modem Connection and then Activate, it does activate.07:56
dougmccafuego: nothing specific, just new upstream release around the time it broke07:56
adonimcan't make it run.... tried everything from the ubuntu help and forum07:56
xkusemegyaresu: what is your timeout set to?07:56
jasmuzfirebird619: nah, dosent mean much07:57
adonimuhm07:57
firebird619jasmuz: :(07:57
naliothhondje: are you still here?07:58
jasmuzfirebird619: ;(07:58
hondjeadonim: if you have multiverse repositories set up, just open a terminal and type 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree'07:58
hondjenalioth: Naturally :)07:58
adonimhave installed both files in pluin folder but still it doesn't recognize the flash plugin07:58
adonimuhm... new what is respri....?07:58
naliothhondje: am in training for my new(est) job07:58
hondjeadonim: okay, I jumped too far ahead :)07:58
FlannelKingfirebird619, suggest googling for a copy of ShareTheNet07:58
hondjenalioth: oh yeah? Good one?07:58
adonimI open a terminal07:58
naliothhondje: yes and no. taxi dispatcher07:59
hondjenalioth: hope that works out :) I haven't heard back on my supposed-to-happen next job07:59
hondjeadonim: type 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree'  If it gives you an error, no problem08:00
CaptainMorganAtheros & Ubuntu - Where do you suggest I look?08:00
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naliothtaxi dispatching and s&m clubs are synonymous08:00
hondjehehehe08:00
adonimok did the command line error back : cant find package...08:00
jasmuzCaptainMorgan: in the forums08:00
artic_foxI need to set an environmental variable08:00
artic_foxfor everybody08:00
hondjeadonim: Easy to fix. Type 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'08:00
CaptainMorganUbuntu forums?08:00
artic_foxRUBYOPT=-rubyopts08:00
hondje!repos08:00
ubotuextra, extra, read all about it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto08:00
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jasmuzCaptainMorgan: yes08:01
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firebird619Is one 56k external modem better than the other?08:01
hondjehey, everything is there :)08:01
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adonimerror None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.08:01
CaptainMorganthank's jaz08:01
hondjehrm, that's not normal08:01
adonimbut a window opened08:01
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hondjedoes it have text in it?08:01
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naliothhondje: dont forget the answere to the md5 question !usrepos08:02
jasmuzfirebird619: i recommend you get a US Robotics 56k08:02
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gyaresufirebird619, any external modem will do fine (usually). because they do the DAC digital to analogue conversion in hardware not software.08:02
hondjenalioth: nice :)08:02
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artic_foxdo I put it in environment?08:02
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artic_fox/etc/environment08:02
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artic_foxanyone know?08:03
naliothok now, where are the @ops?08:03
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crimsunhmm?08:03
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Jesse1any1 know where i can get wm 10 codecs w32codecs doesnt have them08:04
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IceDC571i dont think you can.. unless you use wine08:04
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naliothJesse1: you can get them from the source www.mplayerhq.hu08:04
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naliothcrimsun: is this just bad client settings?08:05
cafuegoGee, no wonde rit's slow, this box is using 1.5GB swap08:05
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aedwards__i just installed ubuntu and my sound isnt working what can i do to correct this?,08:06
hondjeadonim: still there?08:06
crimsunnalioth: no, looks like a deliberate attempt from the varied idents08:06
aedwards__i have a cmedia sound card....with 5.1 surround on it08:06
adonimoops was waiting ... guess I figured irc out now - the window openene was sources.list08:06
hondjeadonim: No problem.  Do you see a line like    #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe ?08:07
naliothcrimsun: (un)fortunately, i'm not savvy on this subject, but i do see something is wrong08:07
adonimyes08:07
crimsunaedwards__: paste the output of amixer onto the pastebin in the topic08:07
adonimthis one? deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe08:08
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aedwards__well my kaffeine player wont use sound but my system sound works fine08:08
hondjeadonim: No, but I thought of an easier way to get you going :)08:08
adonimoh this one, huh  deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe08:08
aedwards__my audio on kaff is set to auto08:08
hondjeyep, that one :)08:08
karstenIs Ubuntu supported on a PM7200/120 (Mac)?08:08
jasmuztake care yall08:08
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crimsunaedwards__: are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu?08:09
hondjeadonim: just add multiverse after universe, and then save the file08:09
adonimdo I go there and say good bye and thnak your??08:09
aedwards__Ubuntu...5.0408:09
adonimoh08:09
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tiglionabbitcrimsun: I'm using both.  apt-get install ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop08:09
cafuegokarsten: if you can get BootX to work, it should work OK.08:09
crimsunaedwards__: ok, then you need to configure Kaffeine to use esound (if you can)08:09
karstencafuego: Danke.