[12:00] <Seveas> IcemanV9, ah
[12:00] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: maybe that's why .. no signal for you to test it
[12:00] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: i'm not familiar with all the fancy multiplexed commands
[12:00] <eliUbuntu> ok,
[12:00] <IcemanV9> Seveas: i am using madwifi as well
[12:00] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, are you using the GUI tools for networking or the command line?
[12:00] <Troy_McClure> Seveas, i did both those commands
[12:00] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, I did all this earlier at an Internet cafe, and could not get it going.
[12:00] <eliUbuntu> hda 3 though is the hard linux drive =\
[12:00] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, that's ok
[12:00] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, I prefer the command line.
[12:00] <spermie_411> hey i forgot how to copy files over with ssh, is it something like: cp /home/josh/Desktop/cedegawhatever spermie@ip: /home/spermie/Desktop
[12:01] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, it should be errors=remount-ro :)
[12:01] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: right now, i am at the library using their wireless service
[12:01] <cmatheson> spermie_411: scp
[12:01] <eliUbuntu> whew....
[12:01] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, Great, that's fantastic.
[12:01] <knoppix> so know one uses vmware ?
[12:01] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, good, I like that attitude, makes it easier to debug :)
[12:01] <eliUbuntu> thanks seveas
[12:01] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, Wish I could do the same.
[12:01] <knoppix> with ubuntu ?
[12:01] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: i will update you how the program works in a minute. getting ready to umount
[12:01] <IcemanV9> Seveas: any suggestion?
[12:02] <eliUbuntu> correct command? -> umount hda# ?
[12:02] <HaroldJohnson> Everyone: I'm just so frustrated at this process.  Ubuntu has the most awesome support channel I've ever been in, but I'm very frustrated with getting this last stage going: my Internet access.
[12:02] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, if you: iwconfig ath0 essid any && iwconfig ath0 enc open     then it should pick up any open network
[12:02] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, Okay, I'll try that again.
[12:02] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: sudo umount /dev/hd*
[12:02] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, you can see whether it has picked ot by typing iwconfig ath0
[12:02] <tiglionabbit> hey guys, what do I put in my fstab options to mount a device so that it belongs to nick(1000) ?
[12:03] <knoppix> hello
[12:03] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, one more thing: some notebooks have a wifi button, this sometimes has to be enabled to be used
[12:03] <zuti> ivoks :)
[12:03] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, if iwlist ath0 scan shows networks it is enabled
[12:03] <Troy_McClure> !ati
[12:03] <ubotu> well, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:03] <spermie_411> cmatheson, Wow scp =) that one letter was my headache
[12:03] <knoppix> so should i forget about using vmware and ubuntu
[12:03] <knoppix> and just install it ?
[12:03] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, uid=1000,gid=100
[12:03] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: and then remount yes?
[12:03] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, This is a PowerBook (Mac), so it doesn't have a wifi button.
[12:03] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, works only on ntfs/fat
[12:03] <cmatheson> spermie_411: ;)
[12:04] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, ok, that's one pain in the a** less
[12:04] <tiglionabbit> Seveas: why gid=100 ?
[12:04] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: yes, sudo mount /dev/hd*
[12:04] <eliUbuntu> ok
[12:04] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, because i missed a 0 there
[12:04] <XRayNuke> HaroldJohnson: you're using a CardBus WiFi card, right?
[12:04] <knoppix> yes ?
[12:04] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, I'm not certain iwlist ath0 scan is displaying networks.
[12:04] <knoppix> hey yawner
[12:04] <dh0> i want /dev/lirc to be linked to the real file /dev/lirc0 how do i do that in a lasting way?
[12:04] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, it should be gid=1000
[12:04] <Yawner> hello
[12:04] <HaroldJohnson> XRayNuke, Yes, a D-Link
[12:04] <tiglionabbit> Seveas: o, thank you
[12:04] <knoppix> do you use vmware by any chance ?
[12:04] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, does it give any output?
[12:05] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, Yes - what should I be looking for?
[12:05] <Seveas> well, if it doesn't say 'no networks found' or something like that it's working :)
[12:05] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: didnt work, there is some text on the error? how do i use the #flood command?
[12:05] <Seveas> it should give about 10-20 lines of information per network
[12:06] <tiglionabbit> Seveas: yay thanks
[12:06] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, Yes, but when I test it by running the command "ping google.com", it returns "ping: unknown host google.com"
[12:06] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, you need to associate to a network first
[12:06] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: you open a new channel window for #flood or use a pastebin (see the /topic)
[12:06] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, that is done with iwconfig
[12:06] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, What is that process?
[12:06] <knoppix> vmware
[12:06] <tiglionabbit> eliUbuntu: #flood is a channel, not a command.  You join it, tell people you're going there, and then paste things there.  Use a pastebin though, it's better
[12:07] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, if you: iwconfig ath0 essid any && iwconfig ath0 enc open     then it should pick up any open network
[12:07] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, I've read the man, by the way, and it's not very newbie-friendly.
[12:07] <hd420> bloody ubuntu
[12:07] <eliUbuntu> !pastebin
[12:07] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is at http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[12:07] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, indeed
[12:07] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, Yet it's not.
[12:07] <Seveas> !forget pastebin
[12:07] <ubotu> Seveas: i forgot pastebin
[12:07] <knoppix> so is ubuntu worth trying out ?
[12:07] <aptloverg> um
[12:07] <knoppix> am i wasting my time
[12:07] <Seveas> ubotu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[12:07] <ubotu> Seveas: okay
[12:07] <tiglionabbit> knoppix: yes
[12:07] <knoppix> cool
[12:07] <tiglionabbit> knoppix: especially if you just use a knoppix live cd
[12:08] <hd420> knoppix: depends on what sort of person you are
[12:08] <knoppix> i'm trying to get in on my vmware
[12:08] <bungopolis> knoppix -- what kind of answer do you expect with that question in this room?
[12:08] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, is it ok if I talk to you in private, it's a bit busy in here
[12:08] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, So that's that.
[12:08] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, Yes, absolutely.
[12:08] <aptloverg> ho do i know the package version of gaim I can get over apt?
[12:08] <nxv_> which ident server is preferred with postgresql in ubuntu?
[12:08] <knoppix> but for some reason i'm getting an error
[12:08] <knoppix> i went on the wiki and followed the instructions
[12:08] <aptloverg> apt-cache gaim -?
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> well ubuntu has been the top pagerank on distrowatch for the last 6 months, I think it must be pretty popular
[12:08] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: here is what is the error states: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/312171
[12:09] <aptloverg> anyone quick comand line quote?
[12:09] <knoppix> but when i try to sudo ./runme.pl
[12:09] <hd420> apt is still less than forgiving when you make changes yourself
[12:09] <tiglionabbit> eliUbuntu: read what it says, your device is mounted and it tells you where
[12:09] <knoppix> i get this :
[12:09] <aptloverg> apt-cache gaim -what--version bla?
[12:09] <knoppix> Unable to open the installer database /etc/vmware/locations in read-mode.
[12:09] <knoppix> Execution aborted.
[12:09] <hd420> which is the problem i'm having at present
[12:09] <eliUbuntu> i did read it. i tried to umount it and remount
[12:09] <aptloverg> can anyone hear? me?
[12:09] <XRayNuke> Question: I'm trying to boot from a USB external hard drive on a ThinkPad right now. It Ubuntu set GRUB up to boot with "quiet splash",
[12:09] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: is hda5 mounted at /dev/hda5?
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> aptloverg: yes, we can hear you.  I have no idea what you're talking about though.  Generally I'd say "apt-cache search"
[12:10] <XRayNuke> and i've turned that off. how do I slow down the boot info so I can see why it's failing?
[12:10] <dmk> apt-cache showpkg gaim
[12:10] <aptloverg> yaay cool im not blocked or somthing :D
[12:10] <dmk> show sorry
[12:10] <bungopolis> aptloverg: try apt-cache show gaim | grep Version
[12:10] <dmk> apt-cache show
[12:10] <eliUbuntu> no hda5 is mounted as /media/winlin
[12:10] <hd420> any apt gurus up for a challenge?
[12:11] <jo> hi i have problem with X,how can i change from console resolution ?
[12:11] <aptloverg> bungopolis: :D ok
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> hd420: challenging?
[12:11] <jeanluc> hi
[12:11] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: so you are in business?
[12:11] <jeanluc> I need a lot of help
[12:11] <benjaminwr> is there anything in the bios that might be preventing me from writting the MBR of my hard disks?
[12:11] <eliUbuntu> lol, nope in astronomy
[12:11] <spermie_411> i got this cedega tgz file on my desktop, but not sure how to install it? Noob<~~ sorry for these dumb questin
[12:11] <jeanluc> I have tried mp3's in every media player and installed gstreamer mad but no mp3s is working but .wav works so can some one help me play mp3
[12:11] <spermie_411> i think its sudo cp /home/spermie/Desktop/cedega_4.3-1.i386.tgz
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> spermie_411: if it's .tgz, it's probably meant for slackware
[12:11] <hd420> tiglion: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/530
[12:11] <sam_> are there any stats for which of ubuntu and kubuntu is the more downloaded/popular one?
[12:12] <XRayNuke> benjaminwr: Yes. Turn off boot sector virus protection if you can find it.
[12:12] <hd420> see if u can make heads from tails out of that one
[12:12] <mumbles> nother questio from me.. whats the linux flight sim game ending in x11 ?
[12:12] <bungopolis> I'm currently using Totem as my media player, but I would like an in-browser media player. The only ones I can see are mozilla-mplayer and mozilla-plugin-vlc -- which one is reccomended? I've used mozilla-mplayer on another machine and it's a bit buggy.
[12:12] <benjaminwr> i cant see it in the bios menu
[12:12] <dmk> no, cedega just name their tar.gz files tgz
[12:12] <benjaminwr> is that ever implemented as a jumper?
[12:12] <XRayNuke> benjaminwr: not that I've ever heard of...
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> hd420: wow, that's fun
[12:12] <XRayNuke> benjaminwr: what options do you have?
[12:13] <benjaminwr> i can't find boot sector virus protection
[12:13] <aptloverg> bungopolis: show is the thing i wasn't aware off :D
[12:13] <dmk> thats me off now, take it easy everyone
[12:13] <bungopolis> aptloverg: you could also use the synaptic package manager to see it
[12:13] <benjaminwr> and there doesn't seem to be anything else to secure MBR in my bios settings
[12:13] <jeanluc> I have tried mp3's in every media player and installed gstreamer mad but no mp3s is working but .wav works so can some one help me play mp3
[12:13] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: your drives are mounted successfully?
[12:13] <benjaminwr> but I can't install grub
[12:13] <spermie_411> tiglionabbit woulnt alian change it to a deb.?
[12:14] <hd420> tiglion: you up for trying to solve it?
[12:14] <tiglionabbit> bungopolis: it is possible to use totem or xine using a special firefox addon.  There's something in the forums about that, I'll find it for you
[12:14] <benjaminwr> after installing it reboots to nothing
[12:14] <aptloverg> bungopolis: just wanted the skill
[12:14] <aptloverg> chears
[12:14] <bungopolis> jeanluc: have you installed the gstreamer0.8-mad plugin?
[12:14] <jeanluc> yes
[12:14] <XRayNuke> benjaminwr: Most recent BIOSes don't have boot sector protection. If you can't find it, it'
[12:14] <bungopolis> sorry, package not plugin
[12:14] <XRayNuke> 's probably not there.
[12:14] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: im gonna reboot. the /media/winlin mount on hda5 was done through fstab on boot. maybe rebooting will help. plus now mount umout says hda5 is mounted multiple times
[12:14] <aptloverg> bungopolis: um you couldn't help me trouble shot a sound card?
[12:15] <benjaminwr> XrayNuke its a new computer has asus a8n-sli deluxe mobo
[12:15] <eliUbuntu> will be back in few minutes
[12:15] <bungopolis> tiglionabbit: thanks
[12:15] <bungopolis> aptloverg: what's the problem?
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> bungopolis: well, I would, if i could connect to ubuntuforums at the moment...  it's...  slow
[12:15] <XRayNuke> benjaminwr: yeah, that doesn't have it, it's waaaay too new. My girlfriend has one of those. It's a pretty sweet mobo.
[12:15] <ablyss> hey guys.. do i have to reboot after updating my kernel image?
[12:15] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: will be here when you return
[12:15] <bungopolis> tiglionabbit: yeah it's not loading at all for me right now either
[12:15] <acid2> Does anyone know how to connect to a :sserver: with cvs?
[12:15] <eliUbuntu> k
[12:15] <XRayNuke> benjaminwr: You sure the hard drive is good?
[12:15] <acid2> im getting "unknown method"
[12:16] <sizzam> ubuntuforums.org  borked?
[12:16] <benjaminwr> tried with three different ones
[12:16] <tiglionabbit> bungopolis: I personally just installed mplayer-586 and mozilla-mplayer, and w32codecs.  That took care of my browsing needs
[12:16] <XRayNuke> benjaminwr: Curious. Do you have another machine you could use to install Grub?
[12:16] <dylan_> still having problems getting java to work
[12:16] <benjaminwr> mmm
[12:16] <bungopolis> ok, that's what I have on my old system, but i wasnt totally happy with mozilla-mplayer (sometimes the video would be masked off, and the UI sucks)
[12:16] <ablyss> whys that dylan_
[12:16] <nalioth> dylan_: r u on an x86 version of ubuntu?
[12:16] <benjaminwr> can I install grub to a USB drive
[12:16] <benjaminwr> ??
[12:17] <XRayNuke> yeah
[12:17] <osity> ive got ubuntu installed...how do i raid my other 2 matching drives?
[12:17] <dylan_> yes im on the pressed CD x86 version...i dont know why. ive followed EVERYONE's directions.  it just doesn't work
[12:17] <benjaminwr> how would I go about doing that
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> dylan_: how did you install it?  The easiest way is by adding hoary-extras to your sources.list and then getting sun-j2sdk1.5
[12:17] <hd420> tig: any ideas?
[12:17] <dylan_> i tried doing that
[12:17] <XRayNuke> in fact, i'm trying to un%&^*$ an Ubuntu install on a USB drive right now, so I don't recommend that
[12:17] <bungopolis> tiglionabbit: only really need the jre, not the sdk
[12:17] <dylan_> wait, how do i enable hoary-extras
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> bungopolis: okay, sun-j2re1.5
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> bungopolis: same repo
[12:17] <ablyss> dylan_: where is your java installed at?
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[12:17] <ubotu> from memory, sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[12:18] <dylan_> i don't know
[12:18] <Troy_McClure> how hard is it to install a better file browser into ubuntu? i used to use natiullus and i liked that
[12:18] <aptloverg> bungopolis: I don't know just know sound, where do i find what has been probed and what sound drivers a beeing used?
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> bungopolis: that wiki will show you how to add the hoary-extras repository, and the rest is just using apt or synaptic
[12:18] <nalioth> Troy_McClure: try konqueror or mc
[12:18] <ablyss> dylan_: well, not knowing is a sure way of never getting it to work
[12:18] <nalioth> Troy_McClure: or xffm4
[12:18] <ablyss> updatedb then type locate *java
[12:18] <Troy_McClure> konqueror is for KDE though right?
[12:18] <Troy_McClure> i am getting used to gnome, do not want to swithc
[12:18] <bungopolis> dylan_: sudo echo "deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse  restricted" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> Troy_McClure: ubuntu uses nautilus by default
[12:18] <dylan_> is there a way to do it easily, and when i mean easily i mean not with all the terribly long strings ot text to write
[12:19] <dylan_> thanks bung...
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> bungopolis: er..
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> bungopolis: sure..
[12:19] <bungopolis> yeah? what's wrong
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> bungopolis: generally, I use a real editor
[12:19] <bungopolis> bash is a real editor, tiglionabbit :)
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> bungopolis: I prefer vim
[12:19] <dylan_> ok i did  sudo echo "deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse  restricted" >> /etc/apt/sources.list  and i didnt get a message.  is that good?
[12:19] <Seveas> dylan_, yes
[12:19] <bungopolis> dylan_ yes
[12:19] <dylan_> now what do i do?
[12:19] <Troy_McClure> why does it not look like the old nautillus then?
[12:19] <dylan_> apt-get update?
[12:19] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: worked like a charm
[12:20] <mumbles> anyways
[12:20] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: great!
[12:20] <mumbles> im off to bed
[12:20] <bungopolis> dylan_ the >> just appended that line to the end of your apt sources list (you could also have used vim or gedit or any text editor to add it yourself)
[12:20] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: great program. did you write it?
[12:20] <mumbles> nn all
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> Troy_McClure: dunno, try changing your theme, and the settings in applications -> system tools -> configuration editor
[12:20] <nalioth> nope, just advised on a bit of it
[12:20] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: Seveas wrote the thing
[12:20] <bungopolis> dylan_ now sudo apt-get update, and then sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[12:20] <dylan_> i just noticed that i already have sun-j2sdk1.5
[12:20] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: cheers then to your team who wrote it
[12:21] <jeanluc> I have tried mp3's in every media player and installed gstreamer mad but no mp3s is working but .wav works so can some one help me play mp3
[12:21] <jeanluc> I have tried mp3's in every media player and installed gstreamer mad but no mp3s is working but .wav works so can some one help me play mp3
[12:21] <jeanluc> I have tried mp3's in every media player and installed gstreamer mad but no mp3s is working but .wav works so can some one help me play mp3
[12:21] <tiglionabbit> dylan_: then you don't need to install it
[12:21] <bungopolis> jeanluc: please dont spam
[12:21] <jeanluc> sorry
[12:21] <jeanluc> I need help with this though
[12:21] <ablyss> get in line jeanluc
[12:21] <tiglionabbit> jeanluc: does it appear to play but make no sound?  Have you tried beep-media-player?
[12:21] <Seveas> jeanluc, read the page I gave you the link to...
[12:21] <aptloverg> bye for now everyone
[12:21] <dylan_> i have j2sdk1.5 but not  the jre what is the difference
[12:21] <jeanluc> I did that
[12:21] <jeanluc> still don't work
[12:22] <eliUbuntu> Seveas: good program you wrote - thanks
[12:22] <XRayNuke> j2sdk includes the JRE
[12:22] <tiglionabbit> jeanluc: describe how it didn't work
[12:22] <aptloverg> bungopolis: thanks for the apt  show help :D
[12:22] <ablyss> jeanluc: sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[12:22] <jeanluc> I go into beep or xmms and the other media players
[12:22] <dylan_> ok so if i already have java why doesnt it work within firefox or epiphany?
[12:22] <jeanluc> open the mp3
[12:22] <jeanluc> it shows its playing
[12:22] <Seveas> jeanluc, beep & xmms don't work by default
[12:22] <ablyss> xmms is poo poo on Gnome
[12:22] <jeanluc> but there is no sound
[12:22] <bungopolis> dylan_ SDK is the Software Development Kit which includes the Java Runtime Environment, but you only need the JRE unless you plan to do Java development
[12:22] <eliUbuntu> dylan: it may not be linked
[12:22] <Seveas> jeanluc: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[12:22] <XRayNuke> dylan_: did you install a java plugin?
[12:22] <bungopolis> aptloverg: give me a sec for your sound problem
[12:22] <jeanluc> when I use e sound
[12:22] <jeanluc> it gives error
[12:23] <dylan_> im trying to get java to work within my browser.  firefox wont install the JRE
[12:23] <ablyss> dont use xmms
[12:23] <acid2> cvs [login aborted] : Could not open SSL certificate file '/home/acid2/.cvsSSLkeys': No such file or directory
[12:23] <acid2> What can I do about that?
[12:23] <jeanluc> Couldn't open audio.
[12:23] <jeanluc> Please check that:
[12:23] <jeanluc> 1. You have the correct output plugin selected.
[12:23] <jeanluc> 2. No other programs is blocking the soundcard.
[12:23] <jeanluc> 3. Your soundcard is configured properly.
[12:23] <misfit_toy> can anyone else get to ubuntuforums? it appears down to me.
[12:23] <Seveas> jeanluc: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[12:23] <jeanluc> is the error I get
[12:23] <tiglionabbit> jeanluc: that's what I was asking.  Okay, then it is not an mp3 issue.  If I were you, I would right-click on the volume icon and go through every device listed and turn it up, except master sound which you can turn down a bit to not break your speakers.
[12:23] <eliUbuntu> dylan: firefox cannot install JRE. you have to do it through the synaptic
[12:23] <socomm> dylan_: You may need a link to the plugin from firefox's plugin directory.
[12:23] <tiglionabbit> jeanluc: also, this forum post helped me get sound working a little better, if the forums are up
[12:23] <dylan_> ok thats what im doing, eliUbuntu. will that then work?
[12:23] <tiglionabbit> !sound
[12:23] <ubotu> sound is, like, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[12:23] <Troy_McClure> whats the best linux media player?
[12:23] <jeanluc> there down
[12:24] <eliUbuntu> dylan: it should
[12:24] <Seveas> Troy_McClure, depends on what you call best
[12:24] <XRayNuke> Troy: I favor VLC.
[12:24] <dylan_> thanks
[12:24] <socomm> Troy_McClure: mplayer
[12:24] <acid2> xie
[12:24] <nalioth> Troy_McClure: that is subjective
[12:24] <acid2> xine*
[12:24] <dylan_> will it work in Firefox, eliUbuntu?
[12:24] <Seveas> Troy_McClure, I prefer beep :)
[12:24] <eliUbuntu> make sure you shutdown firefox and open it again
[12:24] <tiglionabbit> !multimedia
[12:24] <ubotu> [multimedia]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[12:24] <eliUbuntu> once installed
[12:24] <ablyss> linux isn't a media OS.. so they pretty much all suck
[12:24] <dylan_> great
[12:24] <tiglionabbit> that wiki has screenshots and descriptions of many major media players
[12:24] <Seveas> ablyss, nonsense...
[12:24] <tiglionabbit> ablyss: ay, stfu
[12:24] <jeanluc> I used red hat
[12:24] <ablyss> truth hurts
[12:24] <bungopolis> Troy_McClure I quite like Totem, which comes with Ubuntu -- it can use either the xine or the gstreamer multimedia framework and has a nice, simple UI (I also use mplayer however)
[12:24] <jeanluc> and it played mp3 just fine
[12:24] <dylan_> i say mplayer is the best media player
[12:24] <sizzam> can anyone get to www.ubuntuforums.org
[12:24] <Seveas> jeanluc, did you even read what I said..?
[12:25] <socomm> ablyss: Haha.
[12:25] <bungopolis> forums rae down sizzam
[12:25] <Seveas> sizzam, no
[12:25] <jeanluc> what?
[12:25] <ablyss> hehe
[12:25] <bungopolis> are
[12:25] <Seveas> jeanluc: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[12:25] <eliUbuntu> xine is the best - never had a problem with it
[12:25] <sizzam> thanks guys
[12:25] <Troy_McClure> well on windows i use winamp so something that will make that transistion smooth
[12:25] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: he's right, linux is not a 'media OS'
[12:25] <jeanluc> I changed to e sound
[12:25] <eliUbuntu> for music, movies, and so on
[12:25] <jeanluc> but I get this error when I play mp3's using esound output
[12:25] <martigan> who can help me with cpu scaling for a mobile p4?
[12:25] <jeanluc> Couldn't open audio.
[12:25] <jeanluc> Please check that:
[12:25] <jeanluc> 1. You have the correct output plugin selected.
[12:25] <jeanluc> 2. No other programs is blocking the soundcard.
[12:25] <jeanluc> 3. Your soundcard is configured properly.
[12:25] <dylan_> ok apt just finished installing the java jre....now what should i do?  restart, log out, or just restart the browser?
[12:25] <socomm> Troy_McClure: Try beep-media-player, it's a winamp clone.
[12:25] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: well, distro watch has 'top media distros' listed
[12:25] <bungopolis> dylan_ just restart the browser
[12:25] <dylan_> k cool
[12:25] <XRayNuke> restarting the browser should do it
[12:25] <tiglionabbit> dylan_: just the browser
[12:25] <maggotbrain> acid2: you might have better luck on #cvs
[12:25] <Seveas> jeanluc, READ what people say. do NOT repeat and do NOT paste
[12:26] <eliUbuntu> bungopolis: you beat me to it :)
[12:26] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: hmm i wonder where the media stuff is, then
[12:26] <decaf> nalioth: it's a multipourpose os and should play videos if I use it as a desktop
[12:26] <bungopolis> mplayer does not support DVD menus (yet, if ever) Neither can gstreamer, which is why I like Totem with totem-xine installed instead of totem-gstreamer
[12:26] <ablyss> i enjoyed Amaroth (spelling) for media
[12:26] <ablyss> it was the best I tried so far
[12:26] <nalioth> decaf: if you use an x86 arch of ubuntu, it will play most everything except current MS video trash
[12:26] <socomm> bungopolis: The cvs version does not.
[12:26] <XRayNuke> VLC supports DVD menues.
[12:27] <eliUbuntu> dylan: does it work now?
[12:27] <dylan_> nope
[12:27] <bungopolis> socomm the cvs version of what does not what?
[12:27] <ablyss> i'm currently using beep media player
[12:27] <tiglionabbit> Top 5 multimedia distros: GeeXboX, MoviX, dyne:bolic, AGNULA, Mediainlinux
[12:27] <acid2> maggotbrain, all seem dead there
[12:27] <socomm> bungopolis: Mplayer, earlier versions might.
[12:28] <dylan_> what do i do?
[12:28] <bungopolis> decaf: you can also play win32 codecs, realplayer, quicktime ... there is really no limitation to ubuntu's multimedia capability with the right packages installed
[12:28] <ablyss> i guess I should visit OS watch more than once a year
[12:28] <maggotbrain> acid2: ah, i've only worked with pserver and ext with cvs, so I can't be of much help...
[12:28] <acid2> np
[12:28] <decaf> bungopolis: I have right packages installed :)
[12:28] <tiglionabbit> !multimedia
[12:28] <ubotu> rumour has it, multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[12:28] <acid2> im gonna idle there
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> ablyss: if you visit it now, you'll see Ubuntu has been the top distro for a while
[12:29] <Troy_McClure> i still can not figure out my GLX problem
[12:29] <decaf> bungopolis, nalioth: ffmpeg team has a solution for ms-mpeg4.
[12:29] <dylan_> tiglionabbit:  still doesnt work
[12:29] <ablyss> tiglionabbit: :)
[12:29] <shawarma> bungopolis: DRM protected wma.. That's still a no-can-do on Ubuntu.
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> dylan_: what doesn't work?
[12:29] <shido> vlc
[12:30] <XRayNuke> I hear ffmpeg also has something going for H.264.
[12:30] <socomm> dylan_: You'll need a link to your jre plugin from firefoxes plugin dir.
[12:30] <tiglionabbit> !doesn't work
[12:30] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[12:30] <dylan_> after installing the jre firefox does not accept java stuff
[12:30] <shido> use video lan on that meda
[12:30] <dylan_> how?
[12:30] <shido> should play fine
[12:30] <dylan_> note: i did not change the ffx dir
[12:30] <tiglionabbit> ubotu doesn't work is something you should never say.  Be more specific.
[12:30] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: okay
[12:30] <Hikaru79> Is anyone else having some problems with marillat? When I try to get the newest acroread from it, it tells me: acroread:
[12:30] <Hikaru79>   Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[12:30] <tiglionabbit> !doesn't work
[12:30] <bungopolis> right, shawarma
[12:30] <Burgundavia> Hikaru79, don't use marilliat
[12:30] <Burgundavia> Hikaru79, use hoary-extras from the backports project
[12:30] <ablyss> brb diinner
[12:31] <Hikaru79> Okay, Burgundavia.
[12:31] <misfit_toy> can anyone else get to ubuntuforums? it appears down to me???
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> dylan_: what do you mean?  When you go to a page with a java applet, what do you see?  Have you tried other pages?
[12:31] <Hikaru79> Do you have a URL, Burgundavia ?
[12:31] <hd420> ubuntu doesn't work
[12:31] <hd420> it's shite
[12:31] <Troy_McClure> anyone help me getting my mousewheel working?
[12:31] <socomm> misfit_toy: The forums are down.
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> hd420: works for me
[12:31] <Troy_McClure> !mouse
[12:31] <ubotu> Troy_McClure: I haven't a clue
[12:31] <Burgundavia> the actual reason is taht sarge broke compatibility with hoary just before the it released, due to some bug fixes
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> !doesn't work
[12:31] <ubotu> I heard doesn't work is something you should never say.  Be more specific.
[12:31] <misfit_toy> socomm, ok thx
[12:31] <bungopolis> aptloverg: lspci | grep audio to see if the device is being detected by the kernel
[12:31] <eliUbuntu> dylan: check out this link -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java?highlight=%28java%29
[12:31] <shawarma> hd420: Huh?
[12:31] <eliUbuntu> dylan: it help out
[12:31] <hd420> tig: well, care to take a crack at the issue i'm having?
[12:31] <dylan_> i get the message additional plugins required
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> hd420: what, the crazy apt message?
[12:31] <eliUbuntu> may help out <- i mean
[12:31] <hd420> tig: yea
[12:32] <dylan_> no, the ffx message
[12:32] <hd420> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/530
[12:32] <tiglionabbit> hd420: paste your sources.list please.
[12:32] <dylan_> where is that?
[12:32] <tiglionabbit> hd420: and be sure to have sudo apt-get update 'd with it
[12:32] <deathpsyko> hi
[12:32] <dylan_> ooops nvmind
[12:33] <Troy_McClure> does amarock only work in KDE then?
[12:33] <tiglionabbit> Troy_McClure: no, you can run anything in either desktop environment
[12:33] <deathpsyko> did someone installed nvidia driver ( script from nvidia website, the latest one, not the packet ) on ubuntu amd64 ?
[12:33] <pgidz> dylan try clicking on the plug-in FAQ in ff and follow what they say to get java working
[12:33] <hd420> ok... deb ftp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[12:33] <hd420> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[12:33] <hd420> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[12:33] <hd420> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch major bug fix updates produced
[12:33] <hd420> ## after the final release of the distribution.
[12:33] <hd420> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted
[12:33] <hd420> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted
[12:33] <hd420> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[12:33] <knoppix> so no one can help me with my ubuntu vmware proablem ???
[12:33] <tiglionabbit> Troy_McClure: people just avoid to sometimes because then they must install the supporting libraries for
[12:33] <hd420> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[12:33] <hd420> sorry
[12:33] <socomm> What the heck.
[12:33] <tiglionabbit> hd420: IN A PASTEBIN
[12:33] <Seveas> damnit
[12:33] <knoppix> so no one can help me with my ubuntu vmware proablem ???
[12:33] <dylan_> pgidz:  i did, and they just say to use the Sun.com binary, which did not work either
[12:33] <Seveas> they always do that when i'm away
[12:34] <Xappe> hd420: stop that please, you're disturbing my idling
[12:34] <pgidz> dylan have you set up the symlink
[12:34] <bungopolis> aptloverg: lsmod | grep snd to see what sound modules have been loaded by your kernel
[12:34] <eliUbuntu> What creates .ICEauthority?
[12:34] <dylan_> pgidz:  dont know how
[12:34] <deathpsyko> so, did someone installed nvidia driver ( script from nvidia website, the latest one, not the packet ) on ubuntu amd64 ?
[12:34] <tiglionabbit> eliUbuntu: probably ICEwm
[12:34] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: idk, but its a pita, aint it?
[12:34] <pgidz> dylan follow what it says on the plugin site
[12:34] <dylan_> ok...
[12:34] <eliUbuntu> yep
[12:34] <tiglionabbit> !java
[12:34] <ubotu> it has been said that java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[12:34] <socomm> Troy_McClure: Under the InputDevice Section in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file add the following: Option ZAxisMapping "4 5".
[12:34] <stanley1> hello everyonw
[12:35] <pgidz> dylan if you have any probs ask somebody in here to help
[12:35] <tiglionabbit> hd420: got that pastebin ready?
[12:35] <dylan_> i followed the wiki page but i still get the message "Additional plugins are required to view this page."
[12:35] <stanley1> is anybody willin to assist a brand new brain?
[12:35] <tiglionabbit> stanley1: sure
[12:36] <eliUbuntu> .ICEauthority though blocks me from loading gnome from GDM correct?
[12:36] <socomm> Troy_McClure: That will enable your scroll wheel.
[12:36] <osity> can i use the ubuntu raid tools to prepare my secondary and 3rd drive for raid 1?
[12:36] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, if it does that, log in at a console and delete that file
[12:36] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: .ICEauthority can be safely deleted while at the login screen
[12:36] <Seveas> stanley1, just say what you need help with :)
[12:36] <eliUbuntu> Seveas: I have done that a few times now
[12:37] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, but it keeps on b0rking?
[12:37] <osity> has anyone setup raid 1 on ubuntu?
[12:37] <Xappe> hmm, i'm looking for a good calendar app that isn't evolution, any suggestions?
[12:37] <eliUbuntu> borking... eli finds himself at a loss of works... never heard of it
[12:37] <stanley1> is anyone willing to help a braindead newbie?
[12:37] <XRayNuke> Xappe: Have you tried Sunbird? It's a bit new, but it's at least up to around Palm Desktop functionality
[12:37] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, b0rking/failing/not working
[12:37] <Seveas> stanley1, just say what you need help with :)
[12:37] <socomm> Seveas: Are you paid for operating #ubuntu?
[12:38] <eliUbuntu> ah, sometimes.
[12:38] <stanley1> ah.. what??
[12:38] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: its a known problem, i hear that nautilus changes it from rw to ro for some strange reason
[12:38] <Xappe> XRayNuke: nope, thanks for the tip
[12:38] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, maybe you run GUI programs as root?
[12:38] <eliUbuntu> ... i dont know
[12:38] <eliUbuntu> thinking about it
[12:38] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, you should not do that unless the programs are designed to be able to run as root
[12:38] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: which is the "root" of all evil
[12:38] <eliUbuntu> i dont run as root on the terminal to initiate programs
[12:39] <Troy_McClure> is there any way to fix that silly esd conflict with the sound driver?
[12:39] <osity> seveas: know anyone that know how to setup raid?
[12:39] <stanley1> well actually im tryng to install my nvidia drivers
[12:39] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: not at all, just dont run nautilus/other gui apps as root (some of them will rampage throughout your userland)
[12:39] <eliUbuntu> hmm, i did move a kernel program to usr/local/path/kernel via root
[12:39] <Seveas> osity, have you tried the wiki?
[12:40] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, with nautilus?
[12:40] <stanley1> u all must new im brand new at this and i need someone with patience
[12:40] <LokeDK> I don't know why.. but when I switch theme in gnome, the colors does not longer change? I mean the theme in the window
[12:40] <osity> Seveas: I've tried everything...
[12:40] <osity> i
[12:40] <nomis_> Traxer|off, did you try http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly ?
[12:40] <osity> what is wiki?>
[12:40] <Xappe> XRayNuke: is that the mozilla calendar?
[12:40] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: how do you run nautilus as root? i dont think i did that...
[12:40] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: sudo in a terminal is ok
[12:40] <Seveas> osity, http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:40] <eliUbuntu> oh... i only do root in terminal
[12:40] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, ah that's ok
[12:40] <eliUbuntu> i dont know any other way to run root
[12:40] <Troy_McClure> !sound
[12:41] <ubotu> I heard sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[12:41] <osity> thanks
[12:41] <XRayNuke> Xappe: Very nearly. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird.html
[12:41] <eliUbuntu> Seveas and nalioth: thanks for the help im off to work on the computer with fingers crossed to no troubles
[12:41] <blmartin771> Thanks for all the help so far guys :)
[12:41] <blmartin771> I love ubuntu so far
[12:41] <osity> thanks!
[12:41] <XRayNuke> Xappe: supposedly it has less Netscape Bloat(TM).
[12:41] <db2> ok, so I'm installing Ubuntu, and after it tells me to remove the CD so it can reboot, it comes back, and the screen is now nothing but these weird red vertical lines, and there's no text or anything...  um. is this normal?
[12:41] <eliUbuntu> of zal ik doeg zegen ;)
[12:42] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: huh?
[12:42] <Xappe> XRayNuke: ah, thanks. I was a bit worried I'd have to install the mozilla suite
[12:42] <geocator_> I just installed yesterday, one head of my vid card is garbage.  No problem will solve later, boot today, both moitors show garbage.  Nvidia 6600
[12:42] <geocator_> I tried installing nvidia drivers, but the install locks up
[12:42] <nalioth> Xappe: you probably will have to
[12:42] <nalioth> Xappe: just for the gecko engine
[12:42] <geocator_> I am linux noob, please help
[12:43] <nomis_> Troy_McClure, did you try http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly ?
[12:43] <othernoob> nalioth are you familiar with printing problems?
[12:43] <nalioth> othernoob: sorry, i am not. i dont own printers nor encourage others to own them either
[12:43] <othernoob> lol
[12:43] <socomm> !ubuntuguide
[12:43] <ubotu> [ubuntuguide]  a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[12:44] <nalioth> othernoob: however i know cups will drive most printers
[12:44] <Seveas> nomis_, that ubuntuguide item is total crap
[12:44] <Xappe> nalioth: nah? as far as I can understand it's a standalone one
[12:44] <nalioth> othernoob: and "man cups" will lead you to the magical URL that will allow you to configure cups
[12:44] <Seveas> it should be called configuresoundinabadandnonstandardway
[12:44] <nalioth> Xappe: like galeon or mozilla-firefox?
[12:44] <othernoob> nalioth: my prob is that i have a pdf with a tiny little bit of colour in it and a b/w laser printer. and it won't print it.
[12:45] <Xappe> nalioth: or thunderbird
[12:45] <nalioth> othernoob: get a hammer, wave it at the printer
[12:45] <othernoob> lol
[12:45] <nalioth> Xappe: they all require mozilla, iirc
[12:45] <robert__> someone knows how to fix the speed problem i have when i'm ripping cd's using grip? it rips at 1.2x now, i belive its not possible to enable scsi emulation support in kernel 2.6x?
[12:46] <Xappe> no, I don't think so
[12:46] <nomis_> Seveas, it worked for me
[12:46] <Seveas> robert__, try enabling dma
[12:46] <robert__> Seveas: Okey, thx
[12:46] <Seveas> nomis_, that does not mean it's the correct way..
[12:46] <decaf> robert__: use cdda2wav with grip. look at it's options. if CD's are new. -P0 would be useful
[12:47] <robert__> decaf: allright, thx mate!
[12:47] <Xappe> nalioth: no, I don't think so...afaik standalone means standalone
[12:47] <nomis_> Seveas, so if you know it better, .. you can help Troy_McClure out ;)
[12:47] <nalioth> Xappe: i wonder why when i install galeon, epiphany, etc, it always installs mozilla.. .. ..
[12:47] <maggotbrain> sunbird is a standalone calender app
[12:48] <maggotbrain> you can use a plug-in for TBor FF with it
[12:48] <Xappe> nalioth: I have both epiphany and firefox, bot not the mozilla suite
[12:48] <Xappe> *but
[12:49] <nalioth> Xappe: not the suite, but you do have mozilla (i just did a apt-cache showpkg on epiphany and galeon)
[12:49] <XRayNuke> Is there something i'm missing about installing Ubuntu on an external USB hard drive? my install is failing with a "pivot_root: no such file or directory" and this is making me very sad.
[12:49] <nalioth> Xappe: kazehakase depends on mozilla
[12:51] <stimpie> someone knows a good howto on how to install the nvidia drivers on ubuntu?
[12:51] <nalioth> XRayNuke: it doesnt know how to look at the USB drive for continuing the installation
[12:51] <nalioth> !nvidia
[12:51] <ubotu> rumour has it, nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:52] <XRayNuke> nalioth: I'm sorry, I should have been more clear, I've already installed it, it just won't boot.
[12:52] <pagefault> hah ubotu
[12:52] <pagefault> nice name
[12:52] <nalioth> XRayNuke: so instruct your grub to look for it
[12:55] <HaroldJohnson> I love you all and I'm going to miss you.
[12:55] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: goin on vacation?
[12:56] <aru> I've been searching around but cant really find a difinitive answer, does anyone know if a Netgear GA511 PC Card will work in linux?
[12:57] <HaroldJohnson> naliothNah, I'm just feeling crabby and frustrated.
[12:57] <HaroldJohnson> naliothI'm tired of all the difficulties with getting Ubuntu to do the basics.
[12:57] <ElllisD> can someone here please tell me either how i got banned from the channel i ought to direct the next question, which is how can I get a live cd in ramdisk to bring hda4's /home up into ram, too
[12:57] <HaroldJohnson> naliothThough it's probably because I'm on a PowerPC.
[12:58] <Troy_McClure> !ati
[12:58] <ubotu> from memory, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:58] <XRayNuke> nalioth: GRUB is loading and starting the kernel. It looks like it's dying partway through the init process.
[12:58] <nalioth> XRayNuke: well sounds like hte kernel isnt usb aware
[12:59] <nalioth> XRayNuke: or something
[01:00] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: how do i access the vfat drive from the terminal?
[01:01] <XRayNuke> nalioth: it's the default kernel from the 5.04 x86 install CD. a few lines before it dies, it shows "Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...", "usb-core: registered new driver usb-storage", "USB Mass Storage support registered"
[01:01] <Xappe> XRayNuke: hmm, can't find any source for compiling Sunbird, i'm on ppc
[01:01] <aru> !netgear
[01:01] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, aru
[01:01] <aru> darn
[01:01] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: "cd /media/whatever_you_named_dev/hda5"
[01:02] <eliUbuntu> k, thanks
[01:02] <Xappe> XRayNuke: nm, think I found it
[01:03] <nxv_> i cant get posgresql to work with ident identification
[01:03] <XRayNuke> Xappe: Sunbird's a bit new. You have to manually pull it out of CVS, I think. Instructions here: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird_build.html
[01:03] <XRayNuke> xappe: i can verify (at least on Windows and FreeBSD) that once you get it going it does work nicely
[01:03] <nxv_> i tried several ident servers but cant get any to work with postgres
[01:04] <wdsl> do anyone know kanotix and the radeon-installer.sh? is there a simialar thing in ubuntu?
[01:04] <Hikaru79> Are the Ubuntu Forum servers down for anyoneelse?
[01:04] <dizzie> Whats the filesize limit on vfat(fat32) ?
[01:04] <Hikaru79> dizzie, 2 GB
[01:04] <Hikaru79> I'm pretty certain
[01:04] <nalioth> dizzie: 4gb
[01:04] <wdsl> me too
[01:04] <lcharly_TheOne> how can i configure a DHCP conection in the console
[01:05] <nalioth> Hikaru79: i remember because you can almost fit a dvd image on it <almost>
[01:05] <twisted_steel> Hikaru79: can't get to the forums either :(
[01:05] <Hikaru79> Ah, I see.
[01:05] <wdsl> #linux
[01:05] <dizzie> 4gb >_< how on earth can i transfer 4.3 GB iso images to a extern hdd then, dont say ext3 he doesnt have Linux :)
[01:05] <Xappe> XRayNuke: at least I have something to do getting it up and running :)
[01:06] <XRayNuke> there are ext2/3 drivers for Windows.
[01:06] <nalioth> dizzie: NTFS
[01:06] <nalioth> dizzie: thats right, there is ext2/3 drivers for win2k and xp
[01:06] <Hikaru79> There's a very good one that has full read/write access and complete windows explorer integration
[01:07] <dizzie> ntfs and samba then :)
[01:07] <tigliona1bit> XRayNuke: really?  how?
[01:07] <dizzie> cba trying to tell him why his disk got ext3 fs :)
[01:07] <othernoob> does anyone know a prog to manipulate pdf files?
[01:07] <maggotbrain> lcharly_TheOne: try dhclient
[01:08] <lsuactiafner> othernoob : pdf2html
[01:08] <lsuactiafner> and html2pdf..
[01:08] <nalioth> othernoob: i know how to do it, i just cant say it right now
[01:08] <lsuactiafner> i suppose.
[01:08] <lcharly_TheOne> thanks
[01:08] <nalioth> othernoob: search synaptic for 'pdf'
[01:09] <lsuactiafner> pee dee eff
[01:09] <othernoob> nalioth, i searched. didn't find anything
[01:09] <lsuactiafner> anyone here play ut2004 on nix?
[01:09] <nalioth> othernoob: search "pkg names and contents"
[01:09] <lsuactiafner> i get crashes often, updating to latest patches but it takes ages to download 90mb
[01:09] <othernoob> lsuactiafner: I've seen pdf2html..but i don't want to convert it to manipulate it
[01:10] <lsuactiafner> othernoob : pdf is like a zip, not too easy to just manipulate it and expect it to work afterwards...
[01:10] <lsuactiafner> imho
[01:11] <othernoob> lsuactiafner: all i need to do is to make everything black, instead of a few lines in colour, so i can print it.
[01:11] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: there are pdf tools for linux
[01:11] <lsuactiafner> my eyes hurt from ut2004
[01:11] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: pdf IS and open source format
[01:11] <lsuactiafner> othernoob : just print it with the setting 'black+white only'
[01:12] <lsuactiafner> nalioth : yeh but aint it encoded funnyly so its diffcult to change things?
[01:12] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: not if it isnt "locked'
[01:12] <othernoob> lsuactiafner: if i had found that option,i wouldn't be here ;)
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> othernoob : just drain the colour ink...
[01:13] <ed1t> the forums are dead?
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> except for green and prink on yellow paper
[01:13] <eyequeue> are there any currently-wprking backports mirrors?
[01:13] <pgidz> othernoob try pdftk
[01:13] <eyequeue> ed1t:  here as well :(
[01:13] <othernoob> lsuactiafner: and where?
[01:14] <alxwind> guys, how can i install a program from tar.gz?
[01:14] <eyequeue> is the mirrormax site up?
[01:14] <mpmc> Is there anyway,  I can Mix. all audio into one output instead of lots?
[01:14] <lsuactiafner> hey?
[01:14] <othernoob> pgidz: i did, didn't really work
[01:14] <pgidz> othernoob ok
[01:14] <alxwind> i extraxted the archive and tried to run install.pl but nothing is happening
[01:14] <lsuactiafner> i'm not really in the mood to help as much as i am in the mood to comment on things i dont know anything about
[01:14] <alxwind> what should i do?
[01:15] <decaf> alxwind: of course you can. make sure there is no package available for that app. if not, learn to use 'checkinstall'
[01:15] <eyequeue> or are there any other currently-working backports mirrors?
[01:15] <medgno> alxwind, you check to see if it's on the ubuntu servers. It's tricky installing a .tar.gz file
[01:15] <lsuactiafner> alxwind : perl install.pl
[01:16] <nalioth> othernoob: open a terminal and type "apt-cache search pdf" and see all the pdf tools available
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> medgno : it not tricky
[01:16] <nalioth> alxwind: in most archives is a README or INSTALL text file to read
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> tar -zxf file.tar.gz ; cd file- ; ./configure ; make ; make install
[01:17] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: be nice
[01:17] <medgno> lsuactiafner, if you want to install it globally, and make sure it won't interfere with upgrades, a .deb is much nicer
[01:17] <alxwind> thanks, perl install.pl helped me ;)
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> yeh and the ReADMe and INSTALL shoufl guide you
[01:17] <misfit_toy> man, why do the ubuntuforums go down so often?
[01:17] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: 'easy' for you, may seem be unknown to hte next user
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> so how you doin nalioth?
[01:19] <othernoob> nalioth: i already did, doctools might sound like the only prog.
[01:19] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: keepin busy
[01:20] <mbirkis> i have a web server standing behind a router... and i need ddclient to get the dynamic internet ip from the router to use instead of the local ip it gets from use=if, if=wlan0? can anyone help me with this?
[01:21] <dylan_> i find the program elinks pretty useless.  is there any use to it at all?
[01:22] <alxwind> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match my running kernel?
[01:22] <alxwind> or how to install it?
[01:22] <medgno> dylan_, I've more than a few times had use for a text-mode webbrowser
[01:22] <alxwind> hoary 5.04
[01:22] <lsuactiafner> alxwind : /usr/src/linux/  and apt-get install kernel-headers or something
[01:23] <ubuntu> I've just started using Ubuntu from the Live CD, and I was wondering how I would save my personal files from my Mandrake installation if I install Ubuntu as my Linux version. I know to backup the files, like my e-mail and the rest but will I be able to insert the e-mail back into the Ubuntu mail program afterwards?
[01:23] <eyequeue> dylan_:  it is useful for reading web pages
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> lynx is also very usefull...
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> 1/4 of my browsin is with lynx
[01:24] <dylan_> yeah...hey is it true that linux has no viruses or spyware, as is claimed on the back of the pressed CD case?
[01:25] <cafuego> dylan_: Yeah, it's got worms, though ;-)
[01:25] <eyequeue> ubuntu:  don't overwrite the /home partition, and considering backing up /var/mail/$USER or /var/spool/mail/$USER for later reuse
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> dylan_ : yeh
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> dylan_ : even running a virus on purpose with wine doesnt work..
[01:25] <dylan_> thats funny
[01:26] <dylan_> cafuego says there are worms that are for linux...what is the probability of me getting one of those
[01:26] <cafuego> dylan_: You need to do pretty stupid stuff to get your nameserver infected though. (Like deliverately run an old version).
[01:26] <cafuego> dylan_: You're not at risk if you just use your machine as a user.
[01:26] <dylan_> so even a linux noob like me won't get hit with a virus or spyware, or even a worm?
[01:27] <dylan_> im only running on linux as my name, not root
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> no, you won't
[01:27] <cafuego> dylan_: viruses, worms and trojans are not an issue, then.
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> just keep up to date with your security patches to be sure
[01:27] <dylan_> is the same true for a Mac?  im almost done funding for a new one
[01:27] <ubuntu> Newbie question:  I'm running the Live CD, but if I do a full install, can I use my existing Linux partitions?
[01:27] <Velcan> can anyone tell me how to enable ssl for mail-notification? it doesnt say in the man ...
[01:27] <Ziggity> hi. what options are available for c/c++ development on Ubuntu - looking for stuff with RAD tools for a beginer,,--
[01:28] <lsuactiafner> dylan_ : if you want to live on the edge browse as root.. dont tho.
[01:28] <Kyral> RAD?
[01:28] <dylan_> gcc
[01:28] <tigliona1bit> Ziggity: there's gcc and vim
[01:28] <cafuego> dylan_: Essentially the same is true for Macs yes. Although they _are_ vulnerable to MS Office Macro viruses
[01:28] <Kyral> Ziggity, Anjuta
[01:28] <dylan_> thanks guysx
[01:28] <Ziggity> tigliona1bit,  : does this have a GUI designer
[01:28] <cafuego> (if you run msoffice on them, anyway)
[01:28] <eyequeue> ubuntu:  one, the livecd soedn't install, you'll need an install cd for that.  two, if you select an "expert" install, you can partition any way you like
[01:29] <tigliona1bit> Ziggity: perhaps, but you don't need much more than a text editor and a compiler to program C
[01:29] <struggler> any gotchas when installing debian libc6 on hoary?
[01:29] <ubuntu> I have the install CD
[01:29] <Ziggity> Kyral,  I have heard of Anjuta, but cannot find how to use version 2 . I tried version 1.5 but it failed to 'make ' the project from the wizard
[01:29] <eyequeue> ubuntu:  at the prompt, type expert and press enter
[01:29] <tigliona1bit> eyequeue: you don't need to do that
[01:29] <alxwind>  2lsuactiafner apt-get install kernel-headers doesn't work
[01:29] <tigliona1bit> eyequeue: it lets you partition your own way anyway
[01:30] <tigliona1bit> eyequeue: I don't recommend him doing an expert install.  He might mess up sudo
[01:30] <eyequeue> tigliona1bit:  the default allows partioning and reuse, i've never touched it, too little control for my tastes
[01:30] <alxwind> 2lsuactiafner it says thatit has no installation candidate
[01:30] <lsuactiafner> alxwind : thats why i said something like that
[01:30] <Ziggity> tigliona1bit,  : I'm not that good yet.. and a little lazy :-) I've done some stuff in VB + c# on MS and was wondering if there are similar tools
[01:30] <mbirkis> is there any program i can install to check if a remote webpage is up or not, perhaps with statistics?
[01:30] <lsuactiafner> alxwind : linux-kernel-headers
[01:30] <tigliona1bit> eyequeue: what?  The default allows you to do all partitioning tasks, including resizing of other partitions
[01:30] <eyequeue> tigliona1bit:  the default allows partioning and reuse, ... s/,/?/ rather
[01:30] <eyequeue> tigliona1bit:  the default allows partioning and reuse*?* i've never touched it, too little control for my tastes
[01:30] <Will_> mbirkis: wget --spider ?
[01:30] <rainingzigzags> anyone know where i can download addons for gdesklets?
[01:31] <Will_> rainingzigzags: google gdesklets.
[01:31] <dylan_> will Wine run the Sims?
[01:31] <rainingzigzags> i tryed that
[01:31] <mbirkis> Will_: what will that do?
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> mbirkis : use your browser, or ping hostname, or nmap -sS -P0 -p 80
[01:31] <alxwind> 2lsuactiafner now it says it's already installed
[01:31] <rainingzigzags> came up empty handed
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> but dont nmap a host unless you have permission
[01:31] <Will_> mbirkis: Spider the page. do a 'man wget' then read through
[01:31] <alxwind> 2lsuactiafner but where are it's files?
[01:31] <Will_> You could script it easily
[01:31] <alxwind> 2lsuactiafner in what directory?
[01:32] <struggler> does anyone know of any problems using a debian libc6 on hoary?
[01:32] <lsuactiafner> alxwind : then it is already installed.. /usr/src/linux i believe, i make my own kernels so i wont know
[01:32] <Ziggity> rainingzigzags, :  http://ubuntuguide.org/#gdesklets
[01:32] <lsuactiafner> but inside /usr/src/ somewhere..
[01:32] <mbirkis> lsuactiafner: can i use nmap for a week without hogging bandwith or resources?
[01:32] <eyequeue> alxwind:  dpkg -L linux-kernel-headers | less
[01:32] <alxwind> wow, thanks a lot
[01:33] <ksmurf> Can anyone point me in the direction of a good how to for nessus install other than the starterguide?  The plugin update does not seem to be working right and the english forums are down
[01:33] <alxwind> /usr/include/linux
[01:33] <rainingzigzags> ty ziggity
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> mbirkis : what do you want to do really? nmap would only tell you if port 80 is up, ping would tell if you if the host is up, but using a browser is better
[01:33] <Ziggity> rainingzigzags,   : u welcome
[01:33] <karljp> anyone know how to get a screencap of the whole screen?
[01:33] <karljp> alt-printscreen gives me the window,
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> like refresh a stupid image all the time and if it doesnt load you know the site is offline, but there should be better admin tools
[01:33] <Ziggity> is it possible to run Ubuntu (Hoary) as a webserver?
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> alxwind : really?
[01:34] <karljp> but pressing alt also cancles the right click menu I'm trying to capture in a screenshot
[01:34] <lsuactiafner> alxwind : that doesnt make sense.
[01:34] <ksmurf> Zig yes
[01:34] <Will_> wget!
[01:34] <alxwind> well it says so
[01:34] <eyequeue> karljp:  system > takescreenshot seems approrpriate
[01:34] <lsuactiafner> wget rocks
[01:34] <alxwind> after running command dpkg -L linux-kernel-headers | less
[01:34] <truz24> How do i install ubuntu on a board that has a raid controller?
[01:34] <Ziggity> ksmurf,  : thanx
[01:34] <ksmurf> Can anyone point me in the direction of a good how to for nessus install other than the starterguide?  The plugin update does not seem to be working right and the english forums are down?  Anyone have any exper with the plug-in issue?
[01:34] <mbirkis> Will_: can i get the spider to run every hour with output to a text file?
[01:34] <truz24> Do i need the drivers from the manufacture.
[01:34] <karljp> eyequeue, not really, pressing on the system menu makes the right click menu in my app go away as well.
[01:35] <alxwind> it showed me very long list of files at that directory
[01:35] <eyequeue> alxwind:  q to quit less, if that;s the question
[01:35] <karljp> like on windows, just plain printscreen
[01:35] <Will_> mbirkis: cron job, and wget --spider >> filename
[01:35] <karljp> pressing the alt in ubuntu kills my context menu
[01:35] <Hikaru79> A friend of mine just updated his firefox install from the backports repo, and now Firefox won't start. Anyone else had this issue? (We can't ask on the forums either, because ... they're down =/)
[01:35] <eyequeue> karljp:  "like on windows" doesn't mean anything to me
[01:35] <mbirkis> Will_: hmm... cron job... how do i set that up? sorry for my newbieness
[01:35] <lsuactiafner> mbirkis : or write a script that loops and put the line sleep 60m ; in it
[01:35] <karljp> eyequeue, just like alt-prrintsrcreen on hoary, only with also one on just printscreen by itself that does the whole screen
[01:35] <HaroldJohnson> Anyone here using a Mac?
[01:35] <mbirkis> lsuactiafner: either will work for me... except i don't know how to set it up
[01:36] <lsuactiafner> cd /etc/cron.hourly/
[01:36] <karljp> and there for wouldn't require me to press any buttons or any keys that make the context menu Im trying to include in a screenshot go away
[01:36] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: In a way, yes.
[01:36] <tigliona1bit> karljp: you should be able to press print screen.  There is a gui with more options for taking screenshots included in the gimp
[01:36] <Hikaru79> Anyone? Please?
[01:36] <lsuactiafner> cron is not too nice imho for doing things like wgetting
[01:36] <karljp> pressing printscreen byitself isn't doing anything unfortunately.
[01:36] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, In a way?  How so?
[01:36] <lsuactiafner> mbirkis : give me a sec than i paste you something
[01:36] <Ziggity> are there any Flash ( like flash mx ) tools ( open source ) for linux??
[01:36] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: I got shells open on my wife's Macs ;-)
[01:36] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Ah, I see.
[01:36] <mbirkis> lsuactiafner: why isn't cron god for wgetting?
[01:37] <tigliona1bit> karljp: what you want to do is use the Gimp's screenshot thing, and tell it to set a delay for the screenshot so you can make that context menu pop up
[01:37] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Any experience using wireless on that Mac/
[01:37] <Razor-X> mmmm. manga is nice....
[01:37] <Will_> mbirkis: I'm googling for a guide, but my http is screwed here. Google for "cron howto", /etc/crontab  is also a good palce to start
[01:37] <karljp> hmm, printscreen works if my context menu isn't showing, but not when the menu is
[01:37] <karljp> tigliona1bit, thanks, I'll give gimp a go,
[01:37] <karljp> a timer delay should do the trick
[01:37] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Not under Linux; Airport Express is not supported (at all).
[01:37] <Razor-X> nalioth: have you had any success with wget'ing the wiki?
[01:37] <cmatheson> lsuactiafner: why wouldn't cron be good for running wget?
[01:37] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Oh yes, I think I've heard that.
[01:38] <tigliona1bit> karljp: alternatively, if you're fast, you could press print-screen and then make the context menu pop up before it takes the screenshot =P
[01:38] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Allow me to pick your brain: Do you know of any wireless cards that work on Ubuntu PPC?
[01:38] <lsuactiafner> cmatheson : it creates logs if things go wrong that can fill the h/d
[01:38] <wdsl> where can i get my kernel sources?
[01:38] <tigliona1bit> wdsl: apt?
[01:38] <HrdwrBoB> HaroldJohnson: cisco
[01:38] <cmatheson> lsuactiafner: just rotate the logs out hourly
[01:38] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: What sort of mac? A powerbook?
[01:39] <zukalk> hey i was testing my apache2 server with php4, and whenever i try to open a .php page, the browser (both firefox and opera) open a download dialog box thingie
[01:39] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Yes, a PowerBook G3.
[01:39] <Razor-X> nalioth_wrkn: I think I figured it out ;)
[01:39] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: My orinoco pcmcia cards all work fine.
[01:39] <karljp> tigliona1bit, I'm probably not that fast :)
[01:39] <lsuactiafner> well then you tell him how to setup log rotation.
[01:39] <HaroldJohnson> HrdwrBoB, For certain?  Any particular model/
[01:39] <alxwind> oh, shit it wasn't usr/include/linux http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/544
[01:39] <benjaminwr> you have to register php as a mime type
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> HaroldJohnson: the drivers are fully open sourve
[01:39] <alxwind> anybody, plz help
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> source
[01:39] <karljp> also, gimp screencaps are tearing up my screen.  Looks like the qt context menus aren't displaying in a way that gimp likes
[01:39] <wdsl> jup thx i get the answer on kubuntuchannel
[01:39] <wdsl> thx
[01:39] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Are you in the U.S.?
[01:39] <cmatheson> alxwind: just ask (read the /topic)
[01:39] <lsuactiafner> but doing automated mass leeching should be controlled in the foreground on a terminal (tho that IS more hassle)
[01:39] <HaroldJohnson> HrdwrBoB, You mean madwifi, right?
[01:40] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: My orinoco pcmcia cards work fine in my G3 Wallstreet.
[01:40] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Nope
[01:40] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Do they sell Orinoco at CompUSA?
[01:40] <benjaminwr> zukalk you have to register the php module in the apache configuration
[01:40] <alxwind> can't install vmware, it asks me for directory with C header files that match my kernel
[01:40] <comar> someone has installed mol recently ?
[01:40] <karljp> hah, got it.  a full screenshot works, but just tha twindow doesn't
[01:40] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Someone else mentioned success with those cards.
[01:40] <zukalk> benjaminwr, oh, right
[01:40] <alxwind> i thought it's usr/include/linux
[01:40] <alxwind> but was wrong
[01:40] <alxwind> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/544
[01:40] <CookieNinja> afaik madwifi isn't 100% oss
[01:40] <Velcan> Anyone here familiar with mail-notification?
[01:40] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Not anymore I don't think; they're getting pretty old; they're 802.11b cards _only_
[01:40] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, I looked for Orinoco at Fry's Electronics here in the U.S. but they didn't have any.
[01:41] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Can you buy online or off ebay?
[01:41] <zukalk> benjaminwr, and how do i do that
[01:41] <zukalk> ?
[01:41] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Well, I don't want to buy online, as I may have to return them.  I've purchased two cards already and neither of them work with Ubuntu.
[01:41] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Or... is there a wireless user group nearby?
[01:42] <Ziggity> are there any Flash ( like flash mx ) tools ( open source ) for linux??
[01:42] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: If it's a proper orinoco and not broken, it will work. 100% guaranteed.
[01:42] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Don't know...is there a website that brings that up.
[01:42] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, But only for 802.11b?
[01:42] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Yep.
[01:42] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Are you using linux-wlan-ng/
[01:42] <blmartin771> just wondering what makes ubuntu better than debian?
[01:42] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: No, just the in-kernel orinoco driver.
[01:43] <alxwind> hello?
[01:43] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: There are even MacOS 8.5+ for these things 9they're essentially identicla to actual airport cards)
[01:43] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Try linux-wlan-ng.  Someone told me that you should get 802.11g with Orinoco cards.
[01:43] <cmatheson> blmartin771: it's not necessarily *better*, it's more suitable for people  that want quicker updates/simpler use
[01:43] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: No, that's bullshit. The cardware can't do it.
[01:43] <cafuego> s/cardware/hardware/
[01:43] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Or it may be wlan-linux-ng, I forget.
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> gnight.
[01:44] <blmartin771> but essentually they are the same
[01:44] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Perhaps there are new cards?
[01:44] <Ziggity> Any Java development tools recomended for Ubunut?
[01:44] <cafuego> Besides, linux-wlan-bg doesn't work (at all) with my cards.
[01:44] <zukalk> benjaminwr, how do i register the php module?
[01:44] <bimberi> blmartin771: the fixed release cycle is one difference that some may feel is better
[01:44] <tigliona1bit> Ziggity: need more than javac?
[01:44] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: prism54 ones perhaps, yes.
[01:44] <HaroldJohnson> HrdwrBoB, Cisco, huh?
[01:44] <CookieNinja> regulare release cycle is one thing better than debian, blmartin771, lol. that and the emphasis on being friendly & easy to use. tho in many ways ubuntu is debian.
[01:45] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Which brands are prism54/
[01:45] <Will_> Ziggity: jikes is pretty interesting. So damned fast, and the error outputs are _good_
[01:45] <Ziggity> tiglionabbit, : yes pref. an IDE
[01:45] <Will_> Not that I ever code errors!
[01:45] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: www.prism54.org
[01:45] <tiglionabbit> Ziggity: I dunno, I've heard good things about Eclipse
[01:45] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Thank you.
[01:45] <uman> you know what the problem with apt-get is?
[01:45] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Note that cards which use 3rd party drivers, MAY not work on PPC.
[01:45] <lsuactiafner> i would rather use the java made by sun
[01:45] <uman> one can't use 2 instances of it at once
[01:45] <tiglionabbit> uman: that there is no problem?
[01:45] <Ziggity> tiglionabbit, :  I heard there are 'issues' with running Eclipse on Ubuntu
[01:45] <tiglionabbit> uman: how is that a problem?
[01:45] <lsuactiafner> j2sdk ect
[01:45] <alxwind> can't install vmware, it asks me for directory with C header files that match my kernel, i thought it's usr/include/linux but was wrong (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/544), can anyone help me to find out what is the directory?
[01:45] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Okay.
[01:45] <mbirkis> Will_: i got the cron working... but the wget --spider >> filename won't work
[01:45] <cmatheson> Ziggity: i haven't had any "issues"
[01:45] <b0urn3> i just installed ubuntu and was doing apt-get update and got some md5 mismatch errors....is this a problem...if so how do i fix?
[01:45] <uman> tiglionabbit: what if I wanct to install two apps at once?
[01:45] <benjaminwr> zukalk, you have to edit the httpd.conf file locater in usr/local/apache/conf
[01:46] <cmatheson> !md5sum
[01:46] <ubotu> cmatheson: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:46] <CookieNinja> alxwind, have u got the source headers installed ?
[01:46] <cmatheson> !md5sums
[01:46] <ubotu> No idea, cmatheson
[01:46] <tiglionabbit> uman: then say apt-get install thing1 thing2
[01:46] <cafuego> !listkeys md5
[01:46] <Ziggity> Will_, : is jikes an IDE
[01:46] <ubotu> Factoid search of 'md5' by key returned no results.
[01:46] <uman> tiglionabbit: shit
[01:46] <uman> tiglionabbit: didn't know about that
[01:46] <uman> tiglionabbit++
[01:46] <Ziggity> cmatheson,  : did you install from apt-get?
[01:46] <kbrooks> heh
[01:46] <cmatheson> b0urn3: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and remove everything that says 'us'
[01:46] <blmartin771> so why would you want to use debian if ubuntu is easier, and has quicker fixes?
[01:46] <cmatheson> Ziggity: no
[01:46] <benjaminwr> and add or uncomment the AddType application/x-httpd-php -php
[01:46] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, So do you prefer OS X?
[01:46] <Ziggity> cmatheson,  : and what version
[01:46] <benjaminwr> zukalk ,and add or uncomment the AddType application/x-httpd-php -php
[01:46] <Will_> Ziggity: No. A complier
[01:46] <cmatheson> Ziggity: i don't know... it's not on this box, i got it about a month ago
[01:46] <alxwind> after running a command sudo apt-get install linux-kernel-headers it said that i already have a ewest version
[01:46] <benjaminwr> sorry
[01:47] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Linux runs faster on all macs we have here
[01:47] <b0urn3> cmatheson:  i'll try...brb
[01:47] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: OSX is sexier though :-)
[01:47] <Ziggity> Will_, thx
[01:47] <alxwind> so, i guess i have them installed
[01:47] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Yes, quite sexy.  Are you running Debian/
[01:47] <rainingzigzags> wow i thought i would never do that
[01:47] <rainingzigzags> i locked up linux
[01:47] <Ziggity> cmatheson, : did u download or off a CD
[01:47] <benjaminwr> zukalk ,AddType application/x-httpd-php .php        (dot instead of - on .php)
[01:47] <cafuego> blmartin771: Can;'t speak for others, but Ubuntu is far too new to risk my servers on.
[01:47] <rainingzigzags> lol
[01:47] <alxwind> but can't find out what is it's directory
[01:47] <cmatheson> Ziggity: i downloaded it off of suns website
[01:47] <cmatheson> Ziggity: it was bundled w/ the jdk
[01:47] <zukalk> benjaminwr, you mean /etc/apache2. oh, i remember doing this for winblows a long time ago
[01:48] <alxwind> 2CookieNinja after running a command sudo apt-get install linux-kernel-headers it said that i already have a ewest version but can't find out what is it's directory
[01:48] <b0urn3> cmatheson:  so i need to delete the first two entries for the ubuntu universe?
[01:48] <zukalk> benjaminwr, thanks ;)
[01:48] <tiglionabbit> !usrepos
[01:48] <ubotu> well, usrepos is if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:48] <cmatheson> b0urn3: no no, don't delete, just remove the 'us.' part of the line
[01:48] <b0urn3> thx
[01:48] <cmatheson> b0urn3: so that it just says 'archive.ubuntu.com' instead of 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'
[01:48] <Will_> mbirkis: Not sure, and I've gotta run for now. Getting late and I need to sort some things
[01:48] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Are you in Mexico?
[01:49] <Will_> It should be able to be piped into a file
[01:49] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: The Mac Mini runs Ubuntu Hoary, as does the iMac. The wallstreet has been lent to a friend and runs Mac OS 9.2. The G3 server runs Debian sarge, the iBook runs Tiger. The 8600s runs Sarge, the 7200s and Quaras run OS 8.1, the classics, LC and SE30's run various old MacOSes. The 170 runs 7.0.2 I think. The newton runs NewtOS 1.
[01:49] <Ziggity> cmatheson, : you can do c/c++ and c# as well in there? (  so i've heard - with the plug ins )
[01:49] <mbirkis> can someone help me pipe a wget output into a text file?
[01:49] <benjaminwr> zukalk, do a locate httpd.conf
[01:50] <benjaminwr> after updating the slocate database
[01:50] <cmatheson> Ziggity: i think so... i actually just use vim for my c/c++, but afaik you can do pretty much anything w/ it
[01:50] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Why not run the new Xandros Newton distro on Newton?
[01:50] <CookieNinja> cafuego, afaik they are in /usr/src/linux-headers-<kernel-version>
[01:50] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Coz it's an original newton. (Revision 1)
[01:50] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, LOL, I'm just kidding about that Xandros distro, by the way.  :)
[01:50] <lcharly_TheOne> I have a laptop compaq presario V2000 with amd Turion 64 mobile technology i need use the amd64 ubuntu instalation CD???
[01:51] <cafuego> lcharly_TheOne: The 32bit one should work fine, if you're worried. If you want to use flash/java, go wih 32bit (i386)
[01:51] <gyaresu> lcharly_TheOne, not uness you want too.
[01:52] <HaroldJohnson> So I guess I'll have to find a good Cisco card in order to access an 802.11g network on my Wallstreet?
[01:52] <gyaresu> lcharly_TheOne, cafuego and the w32codecs are only for 32 bit processor as well.
[01:52] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, That was for you...
[01:52] <tiglionabbit> yup, hence the 32 part
[01:52] <cafuego> gyaresu: They nevertheless install and work OK on AMD64.
[01:52] <Ziggity> cmatheson,  : I'm struggling with c/c++ do you know where I can get a  free complete tutrial / online course ..
[01:52] <lcharly_TheOne> so ican install the ubunti i386 cd in mi laptop and i don't gonna have problems?
[01:52] <ablyss> i love gnome's font dialogue.. makes real easy to preview your fonts before change them
[01:52] <gyaresu> cafuego, they do?
[01:52] <cafuego> lcharly_TheOne: Yesp
[01:52] <cafuego> gyaresu: Yep
[01:53] <ablyss> should I reboot after updating my kernel image?
[01:53] <cmatheson> Ziggity: hmm, i'm afraid i don't know... i just bought a book (c++ primer plus was excellent).  i think google would be your friend though
[01:53] <CookieNinja> mbirkis, which output ? the files u are retrieving or the information that wget is outputting about it's retrieval attempts to the shell ?
[01:53] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Prolly check the kernel source, find the cisco driver in net/wireless/ and see which cards are explicitly supported; then get one of those.
[01:53] <gyaresu> ablyss, check the boot order in /boot/grub/menu.lst (remember to count from 0 for the order of bootable kernels)
[01:53] <ablyss> i assume no
[01:53] <Ziggity> cmatheson,  : do  you use it professionally .. can you suggest other tools I might find helpful?
[01:53] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Good tip; I thank you!  That's /net/wireless?
[01:54] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: linux-2.6.x/net/wireless/
[01:54] <FlannelKing> Ziggity, try C++ in action, from relisoft.com
[01:54] <cafuego> in /usr/src
[01:54] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Thanks
[01:54] <ablyss> gyaresu: sorry what does that have to do with my question?
[01:54] <cmatheson> Ziggity: i don't know by what you mean "professionally"... i use it at work, but i'm a linux admin so that's not my primary responsibility (and i don't use it much), so vim/g++ are more than enough for me
[01:54] <gyaresu> ablyss, you just install a new kernel, yes?
[01:54] <ablyss> no
[01:54] <ablyss> updated a kernel image from the synaptic update
[01:55] <Ziggity> FlannelKing,  : whats that
[01:55] <cmatheson> Ziggity: emacs is excellent too, if you're looking for more of an IDE, Kdevelop is supposed to be amazing, and then there is also gnome's anjuta (although it never rates as well as the kde stufF)
[01:55] <FlannelKing> Ziggity, its a book, online
[01:55] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Is the kernel located in /boot usually?
[01:55] <Ziggity> cmatheson,  : thx.
[01:55] <cmatheson> FlannelKing: that's pretty rad, i've never heard of that one.  how is it?
[01:55] <Ziggity> FlannelKing,  : thx
[01:55] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: yes, but you want the source, not the binary.
[01:55] <gyaresu> ablyss, that sounds like a new kernel to me. no?
[01:56] <CookieNinja> mbirkis,  the output wget sends to the shell u get to a file in your home dir by typing wget <options and url you're retrieving here> > ~/output.txt
[01:56] <LasseL> Ziggity, I heard that eclipse is a good C++ ide too, with the right plugin
[01:56] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Where is the source typically located?
[01:56] <gyaresu> ablyss, kernel-image-2.6.10 or somesuch, yes?
[01:56] <ablyss> gyaresu: is it? i dont know.... i dont normally do these things
[01:56] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: in /usr/src, after you install it (you can just get a tarball from kernel.org and extract it, too)
[01:56] <Ziggity> I've tried the Anjuta that 's found in synaptic but after going through the project wizard it failed to make
[01:56] <benkong2> hey folks how long should it take this command to run? " egrep '(reject|warning|error|fatal|panic):' >> testpostfix.check"
[01:56] <ablyss> gyaresu: yes that looks right
[01:57] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Already did (a few days ago, when installing madwifi).  Just wasn't sure if that was what I was looking for...
[01:57] <gyaresu> ablyss, then try rebooting and you can always hit ESC while grub is loading to choose a different kernel.
[01:57] <FlannelKing> cmatheson, its good, starts out nice, explains everything well, and then goes into design, its a nice short book that covers a lot, I suggest it even if you already know C++, covers a lot of good design/bad design type things as well
[01:57] <ablyss> gyaresu: great man thanks
[01:57] <Ziggity> LasseL,  : your' the 2nd person to suggest it - I might get it down. any one know if I can get Eclipse via apt-get?
[01:57] <gyaresu> ablyss, if it's the basic 2.6.10 then you should be alright.
[01:57] <ablyss> awesome
[01:57] <cmatheson> FlannelKing: cool, thanks
[01:57] <CookieNinja> mbirkis, to output all the stuff you're actually retrieving to a file u use the wget option --output-document=~/stuff-retrieved.txt
[01:58] <crimsun> Ziggity: not for Hoary
[01:58] <ablyss> oh that means I should reboot
[01:58] <FlannelKing> Ziggity, you cannot, at least not with ubuntu repos (Im sure someone has packaged it though)
[01:58] <LasseL> Ziggity, eclipse is not on apt-get. But it is download and unzip, run.
[01:58] <ablyss> wish me luck
[01:58] <crimsun> Ziggity: for Breezy, hopefully :)
[01:58] <gyaresu> ablyss, if it hangs at boot or the desktop doesn't load then try a different kernel or just go into 'recovery mode'
[01:58] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Hmmm..there's no wireless directory there.
[01:58] <rainingzigzags> is there a synaptic repository to download and setup seti@home>?
[01:58] <jp> how can I burn an iso with k3b?
[01:58] <LasseL> Ziggity, get sun2jsdk1.5 first, the go to eclipse.org
[01:59] <tiglionabbit> sun-j2sdk1.5
[01:59] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: drivers/net/wireless
[01:59] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, ah
[01:59] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[01:59] <ubotu> I guess sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[01:59] <jp> how can I burn an iso with k3b?
[01:59] <tiglionabbit> you can get it from hoary extras
[01:59] <FlannelKing> Ziggity, Eclipse is a java app, so you dont need to compile/etc, just download and run
[01:59] <cmatheson> jp: it's a menu option... not sure where, but it's three
[01:59] <^thehatsrule^> jp: burn image
[01:59] <^thehatsrule^> under tools
[01:59] <Frank_dot> rainingzigzags: no you have to get it from the project
[01:59] <XRayNuke> Actually, you do need to compile Eclipse, because it's not pure Java.
[02:00] <XRayNuke> It uses the SWT graphics toolkit.
[02:00] <jp> ^thehatsrule^ thanks!
[02:00] <jp> :D
[02:00] <mbirkis> CookieNinja: i get nothing in the output file when doing that :(
[02:00] <holycow> i wish someone would write an eclipse plugin for tcl
[02:00] <Ziggity> LasseL,   : how do I get the sunJ2sdk1.5
[02:00] <LasseL> XRayNuke, wrong
[02:00] <rainingzigzags> frank_dot, is it hard to setup.. i am a noob to linux
[02:00] <^thehatsrule^> jp: np lol
[02:00] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Odd, airport.c is listed there.
[02:00] <cmatheson> holycow: haha, it's been a long time since i've heard someone still rockin' the tcl
[02:00] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Yes. airport == orinoco 802.11b
[02:00] <LasseL> Ziggity, check ubuntu guide
[02:00] <CookieNinja> what's the full line you're typing, mbirkis ?
[02:00] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: That does _not_ do airport express
[02:01] <cmatheson> !ubuntuguide
[02:01] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[02:01] <holycow> cmatheson, openacs framework uses it, and its quite effedtive
[02:01] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, So that one is supported for 802.11b though?  (Not that I'm going to use it).
[02:01] <XRayNuke> LasseL: it definitely uses SWT. You might be able to install that from a package, but Eclipse is not pure Java.
[02:01] <Frank_dot> rainingzigzags: there should instructions where you get it but it's pretty much download and run
[02:01] <asdx> I can't boot ubuntu...
[02:01] <asdx> I don't have a kernel... I compiled mine
[02:01] <asdx> Because I had to patch
[02:01] <rainingzigzags> its a .sh file.... how do u use them?
[02:01] <sybe> Hello.
[02:01] <cmatheson> holycow: i don't know what that is, but i remember 10 yrs ago when i started looking into linux i thought tcl/tk was the hottest thing ever (of course back then kde/gnome were still pretty lame...)
[02:01] <bimberi> LasseL: You can get sun-j2sdk1.5 by enabling the backports repositories
[02:01] <bimberi> !backports
[02:01] <ubotu> backports is, like, at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[02:01] <LasseL> XRayNuke, wrong as in you dont have to compile it to run it
[02:02] <Frank_dot> rainingzigzags: run   sh boinc_filename.sh  in a consol
[02:02] <mbirkis> CookieNinja: wget --spider webaddress > output.txt
[02:02] <mbirkis> CookieNinja: i get the output.txt file but it is empty
[02:02] <holycow> cmatheson, :) if one could could use wx with tcl i would still say it would rock :)
[02:03] <cmatheson> hehe
[02:03] <drew> hey, does anyone know how to configure keyboard shortcuts to use the windows key like it uses control, alt, etc?
[02:03] <Ziggity> I've got Eclipse on one of those free Magazine CD's will that work ??
[02:04] <CookieNinja> what information are you looking to have in the output file mbirkis ?
[02:04] <LasseL> Ziggity, http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/
[02:04] <CookieNinja> would the switch --output-file=logfile  provide the info you need mbirkis ? instead of trying to redirect it to a file
[02:04] <mbirkis> CookieNinja: just info that the website was found... i am planning on doing a cron job checking that a friends webpage is online with wget --spider, and outputting it to a file
[02:05] <cmatheson> drew: i've never done it, but i believe xmodmap would be the tool for that
[02:05] <Ziggity> LasseL,  : thx
[02:05] <mbirkis> CookieNinja: --output-file=logfile what file will that be?
[02:05] <drew> cmatheson, xmodmap is an application I could find using synaptic?
[02:06] <tiglionabbit> drew: you should already have it
[02:06] <CookieNinja> whatever filename you want in whatever location u choose, mbirkis
[02:06] <cmatheson> drew: you probably already have it.. it's just part of X windows
[02:06] <drew> cmatheson, then how do I open or configure it?
[02:06] <mbirkis> CookieNinja: thnx... i will try it :)
[02:06] <alxwind> can't install vmware, it asks me for directory with C header files that match my kernel, i thought it's usr/include/linux but was wrong (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/544), can anyone help me to find out what is the directory?
[02:06] <CookieNinja> make it ~/log.txt to have a file called log,txt in the home dir, mbirkis
[02:06] <cmatheson> drew: haha, i've never done it... i believe the best way to find out would be man xmodmap
[02:06] <CookieNinja> all my ideas are coming from typing man wget and reading, btw, mbirkis ;)
[02:07] <Frank_dot> alxwind: did you install them with synaptic?
[02:07] <drew> is anyone here experienced with xmodmap that could help me?
[02:08] <LasseL> drew, did you try the Keyboard Shortcuts menu in gnome first?
[02:08] <tiglionabbit> drew: I've used it
[02:08] <CookieNinja> alxwind, did you look in /usr/src for then ?
[02:08] <alxwind> i don't know what ecactly to search in synaptic
[02:08] <mbirkis> CookieNinja: i read the man... but it is not easy for us "new" guys... :) but it didn't exactly do what i wanted... it overwrites the file everytime... so i can't see if the server is up or down :(
[02:08] <drew> LasseL,  yes, but it wouldn't let me use windows key as a modifier
[02:08] <Frank_dot> alxwind: search linux-headers
[02:08] <drew> tiglionabbit, could you help me set it up to recognize winkey as a modifier?
[02:08] <LasseL> drew, oh, but it will. I just did that yesterday
[02:08] <tiglionabbit> drew: nope, no idea
[02:08] <CookieNinja> try --append-output=logfile instead of the other one then, mbirkis
[02:08] <tiglionabbit> drew: there is a keyboard setting for it though
[02:08] <drew> LasseL, could you walk me through it? maybe I'm just an idiot
[02:09] <tiglionabbit> drew: system -> prefs -> keyboard -> layout options
[02:09] <mbirkis> CookieNinja: oh... you are my favourite ninja! :)
[02:09] <Frank_dot> alxwind: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-k7/include/   once they are installed
[02:09] <LasseL> drew, find the "Keyboard" menu
[02:09] <tiglionabbit> drew: click on "alt/win key behavior"
[02:09] <Frank_dot> alxwind: well it depends on you kernel
[02:09] <drew> tiglionabbit, should I select Super is mapped to the win-keys?
[02:09] <LasseL> drew, "hyper is mapped to win-keys"
[02:09] <alxwind> i'm using Hoary 5.04
[02:10] <drew> LasseL, oh, hyper. k, thanks.
[02:10] <tiglionabbit> drew: try out different things..
[02:10] <alxwind> with default settings
[02:10] <CookieNinja> i aint exactly that old on linux myself, mbirkis. 2 years on mac os x at work, and about 18months of that same period on various linux flavours
[02:10] <alxwind> what kernel is it?
[02:10] <LasseL> drew, stupid that it isn't that way by default
[02:10] <drew> LasseL, yeah, it is.
[02:11] <ksmurf> Can anyone point me in the direction of a good how to for nessus install other than the starterguide?  The plugin update does not seem to be working right and the english forums are down?  Anyone have any exper with the plug-in issue?
[02:11] <CookieNinja> anyways, i'm off to bed cos it's 1am, and i'm up @ 8am
[02:11] <aru> is there a Ubuntu hardware database?
[02:11] <LasseL> drew, I just mapped about every item in the shortcuts menu to win-<somekey> and it just works really really well :)
[02:11] <sybe> I have a little problem with my monitor. I cant choose my resolution but why?
[02:12] <drew> LasseL, yes it certainly does. But I don't see a setting to make a shortcut to "always on top".  Am I just missing it?
[02:12] <LasseL> dunno
[02:12] <Frank_dot> alxwind: did you install in synaptic?   If you never changed your kernel, you're using the 386 one
[02:12] <gyaresu> sybe, you will need to know the hsync and vsync parametres
[02:13] <Razor-X> !resolution
[02:13] <ubotu> from memory, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:13] <ksmurf> Can anyone point me in the direction of a good how to for nessus install other than the starterguide?  The plugin update does not seem to be working right.  Anyone have any exper with the plug-in issue?
[02:13] <sybe> thanks
[02:14] <alxwind> i just installed x686 version it with synaptic but i have only unpacked tar.gz archives in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5 directory
[02:14] <alxwind> and vmware can't found needed information for installation
[02:14] <bimberi> aru: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[02:14] <Frank_dot> alxwind: what tar.gz archive are you talking about?
[02:15] <zukalk> benjaminwr, it finally worked. had to stop /etc/init.d/apache2 manually before installing libapache2-mod-php4
[02:15] <alxwind> sorry ;( my bad didn't wait till the end of installation in synaptic
[02:15] <alxwind> thaks for your time
[02:16] <Frank_dot> np
[02:16] <gyaresu> Razor-X, where do i get a list of those keywords ! resolution ect...
[02:16] <Razor-X> gyaresu: there aren't
[02:16] <Razor-X> you have to know them through watching, or program the yourself
[02:16] <Razor-X> I have a few i've made for people
[02:16] <gyaresu> Razor-X, ahh.
[02:16] <gyaresu> right.
[02:16] <cafuego> daniels: What did you break now?
[02:17] <Razor-X> mmmm, wget is downloading a nice stack of manga
[02:17] <aru> thanks (delayed reaction)
[02:17] <jp> cafuego more respect for daniel
[02:18] <cafuego> jp: Feel free to ignore me as I do you.
[02:18] <bimberi> aru: (a delayed) yw :)
[02:19] <aru> :)
[02:19] <daniels> cafuego: i'm about to transition to xkeyboard-config for all the xkb stuff
[02:20] <daniels> which is going to hurt
[02:20] <cafuego> daniels: I'll be sure to not update for a while then :-)
[02:20] <Ziggity> LasseL,   :  I can't find howto  get the sunJ2sdk1.5
[02:21] <[koji] > Ziggity: search wiki for java
[02:21] <phzi> !java
[02:21] <ubotu> well, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[02:22] <LasseL> Ziggity, basically it is, add extra sources, apt-get update, apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5
[02:22] <decaf> someone should add java-package to bot
[02:24] <gverig> Why do I get X when I at runlevel 3? Isn't it supposed to be text only?
[02:25] <Aegir> sudo killall gdm
[02:25] <Aegir> :)
[02:25] <Aegir> I noticed that aswell
[02:25] <truz24> I've got an asus P5LD2 board, and during the ubuntu install it fails to load the cdrom drivers, when i installed XP i had to load the raid drivers before I could continue... How do i do this in ubuntu?
[02:25] <gverig> Aegir: Is that the only one that needs to be killed?
[02:25] <gverig> (font server, other crap...)
[02:25] <Aegir> Well, killing gdm usually cacks the X server for me
[02:25] <LasseL> Ziggity, here, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/545
[02:25] <Aegir> Which allows driver installation, etc..
[02:26] <Aegir> You could always do a sudo killall Xorg, or X or whatever it is.
[02:26] <Aegir> But killing gdm should suffice
[02:26] <mbirkis> so if i create a small file in /etc/cron.hourly/ it will execute it every hour... without me doing anything more?
[02:26] <gverig> Aegir: Thanks.
[02:26] <Aegir> No worries :)
[02:26] <Aegir> Happy to help
[02:26] <alxwind> 2Frank_dot http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/546
[02:26] <phzi> for me, when I CTRL-ALT-Backspace, GDM doesn't relaunch Xorg after the 2nd time
[02:26] <alxwind> 2Frank_dot please take a look
[02:26] <gverig> I will to stop it from starting
[02:26] <LasseL> The ubuntu installer should have a "Are you an RMS disciple" question, and if you answer no it should just do all the stuff at the ubuntuguide
[02:27] <alxwind> 2Frank_dot i'm really stuck with it
[02:27] <Aegir> phzi, xinit, startx and such should bring it back, but it will start a new session as that username.
[02:27] <phzi> ya, I know how to do it
[02:27] <phzi> just confused as to why gdm gives up
[02:27] <Aegir> Okay :)
[02:27] <Aegir> Yeah
[02:27] <phzi> only way to get gdm login again, is to sudo killall gdm
[02:27] <phzi> and then relaunch it
[02:28] <Aegir> Yeah, I have a bit of experiane with launching/killing X. I break Xorg often 8)
[02:28] <Aegir> *experiance
[02:28] <phzi> heh
[02:28] <daniels> cafuego: normal layouts should be fine
[02:28] <phzi> I did a lot over the last couples days
[02:28] <phzi> I had an ATI Radeon 9500 Pro
[02:28] <daniels> cafuego: it's just stuff like combining multiple strange layouts that will hurt
[02:28] <Ziggity> OH! I just a wnc- ??? something crash .. anyone know whats that?
[02:28] <Aegir> Usually with drivers, or meddling with composite goodness *g*
[02:28] <phzi> set up for dual header
[02:28] <phzi> and then I pulled it
[02:28] <Aegir> Heheh
[02:28] <phzi> and installed an NVidia card
[02:28] <Aegir> Dual head is brilliant
[02:29] <gverig> *reboot
[02:29] <phzi> took quite the effort to get it going under X without killing myself
[02:29] <phzi> ATI -> NV drivers
[02:29] <Will_> DIE X DIE
[02:29] <Aegir> Converting from an ATI to an NVidia card can be amusing under Linux
[02:29] <Will_> And onwards
[02:29] <Razor-X> wget needs to finish fast... :(
[02:29] <phzi> but I love my dual header
[02:29] <Aegir> Atleast it was for me...
[02:30] <phzi> ya, kept me busy for a day Aegir
[02:30] <Razor-X> w00t, finishd!
[02:30] <Razor-X> *finished
[02:30] <Di42lo> Hello
[02:30] <Di42lo> i have a problem booting my ubuntu
[02:30] <tiglionabbit> Di42lo: grub error 17?
[02:30] <Di42lo> no
[02:30] <tiglionabbit> aw, was worth a try
[02:30] <Ziggity> LasseL,  : thx
[02:30] <Di42lo> he doesnt get into grub
[02:31] <LasseL> Ziggity, my /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:31] <Di42lo> the bios on the first option is the hard disk
[02:31] <Di42lo> and its a new computer
[02:31] <LasseL> <----------- zzz
[02:31] <Di42lo> any idea someone ?
[02:32] <phzi> Aegir: you have any experience with suround sound setups?
[02:32] <Ziggity> LasseL,  : thank you. Is it the same from the UbuntuGuide
[02:32] <Aegir> phzi, Nope
[02:32] <phzi> I've been trying to find someone to help me write a .asoundrc file
[02:32] <Aegir> Not having one and all ;)
[02:32] <alxwind> anybody plz help (take a look here -> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/546)
[02:32] <phzi> so the sound plays out hw0,0 hw0,1 hw0,2 hw0,3 at the same time
[02:32] <alxwind> i'm really stuck
[02:33] <phzi> alxwind: are you actually running 2.5.10-5?
[02:33] <phzi> and are you sure that the folder has stuff in it?
[02:33] <phzi> *2.6.10-5
[02:34] <alxwind> i don't exactly
[02:34] <alxwind> and i don't know how to find this out
[02:34] <tanki> what's breezy?
[02:34] <phzi> tanki: next version
[02:34] <Aegir> Eheheheh
[02:34] <phzi> alxwind: well, start with ls /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5
[02:34] <tanki> oh
[02:35] <tanki> cute name
[02:35] <phzi> and see if there are contents
[02:35] <Aegir> Fantasticly fun and unstable
[02:35] <Aegir> :)
[02:35] <phzi> Breezy Badger
[02:35] <mrpickles> can someone please tell me where the wiki is to get ubuntu to support mp3 codecs ?
[02:35] <Aegir> Hoary sounds so... Dirty to me >:D
[02:35] <phzi> www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:35] <phzi> try that mrpickles
[02:35] <alxwind> eee, and then?
[02:36] <phzi> alxwind: are there any files in the linux-headers folder?
[02:36] <phzi> if not, you should probably apt-get them lol
[02:36] <Nameeater> I'm trying to "root@subspace:/ # find -name bittornado" but it lists a couple of finds then spits out  find: ./proc/7999/task: No such file or directory  and dies, any clues?
[02:36] <aru> I thought we werent supposed to suggest the guide
[02:36] <concept10> !tell mrpickes about restrictedformats
[02:36] <Nameeater> !MultiMedia
[02:36] <barkley> so what's the proper way to hide gcj's java so i can use sun's?
[02:36] <ubotu> hmm... multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[02:36] <barkley> !java
[02:36] <ubotu> I guess java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[02:37] <tanki> I'm here because this is the first time I've heard of ubuntu - i read a review of it in linux journal magazine and it looks cool
[02:37] <tanki> I like the idea of the version being the mouth.year
[02:37] <tanki> s/mouth/month
[02:37] <phzi> alxwind: you still here?
[02:38] <tanki> is there a version 7.05?
[02:38] <[koji] > barkley: is sun java is installed you should be able to use it right away
[02:38] <phzi> tanki: it's y.mm
[02:38] <phzi> isn't it?
[02:38] <aru> I should hope so
[02:38] <tanki> phzi, not according to the article iirc
[02:38] <phzi> good
[02:38] <phzi> it must be
[02:38] <barkley> [koji] , open office installs gcj's java in /usr/bin
[02:38] <tanki> nope
[02:38] <phzi> otherwise version numbers would be totally screwed up
[02:39] <[koji] > yeah but the binary is gcj right?
[02:39] <phzi> ofcourse it is, the prior version was 4.10
[02:39] <rainingzigzags> if someone here runs boinc plz pm me i need help with it
[02:39] <[koji] > you can type java -version on the cmd line
[02:39] <tiglionabbit> Is there any support for writing to ext3 from windows?  All I see is ext2
[02:39] <barkley> [koji] , let me check if its a symbolic link.  but when i type 'java' i get the gcj version
[02:40] <tanki> the last version was 5.04 in the article
[02:40] <mastergoon> hi, how can i change the key bindings for metacity so the alt key doesnt move windows?
[02:40] <tanki> ubuntu names it's versions by month.year
[02:40] <rainingzigzags> is there a reason why boinc comes up with connection failed
[02:41] <barkley> [koji] , ahh. looks like i have to do that /etc/alternatives business
[02:41] <tanki> maybe if you're european you reverse them for some reason but europeans always do weird things so i wouldn't be suprised
[02:41] <mastergoon> gnome-window-properties says "Window manager '<unknown>' has not registered a configuration tool"
[02:41] <phzi> tanki: current version is 5.04
[02:41] <phzi> because it came out his year
[02:42] <tanki> did it come out in april?
[02:42] <seth_k> yep
[02:42] <phzi> yes
[02:42] <phzi> it did
[02:42] <phzi>  Ubuntu 5.04 Released!  2005-04-08
[02:42] <h3r3sY> ubuntu !
[02:42] <tanki> ok i'm wrong, the issue is in my bathroom right now and i dont want to get up so i'll just conceed defeat
[02:42] <truz24> I've got an asus P5LD2 board, and during the ubuntu install it fails to load the cdrom drivers, when i installed XP i had to load the raid drivers before I could continue... How do i do this in ubuntu?
[02:42] <phzi> lol
[02:42] <tanki> anyway it's still a good version scheme
[02:42] <phzi> truz24: do you have SATA?
[02:43] <truz24> yeah, but the cdrom is ide
[02:43] <phzi> disable sata before booting into the install
[02:43] <phzi> installer does not work if SATA is enabled
[02:43] <truz24> but the harddrive is sata
[02:43] <phzi> it's a known bug
[02:43] <phzi> hm, well then I dunno
[02:43] <mrpickles> somebody please help me =( IM getting a weird messge when trying to do apt-get and i can't figure out how to fix it. apt-get install w32codecs
[02:43] <mrpickles> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:43] <mrpickles> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:43] <[koji] > !restricted
[02:43] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:43] <phzi> that's all I know about it
[02:43] <Nameeater> mrpickles: do you have synaptic open?
[02:43] <truz24> thats not right because I installed ubuntu on another board with sata drives
[02:43] <bimberi> mrpickles: close down synaptic and try again
[02:43] <phzi> mrpickles: is synaptic open?
[02:43] <benjaminwr> mrpickles close synaptic
[02:43] <mrpickles> hold on
[02:44] <phzi> lol
[02:44] <bimberi> lol
[02:44] <phzi> truz24: I had to on my board
[02:44] <truz24> What error were u getting?
[02:44] <phzi> and I read a bug report about it
[02:44] <phzi> no driver available
[02:44] <mrpickles> alright its closed
[02:44] <phzi> or something along those lines
[02:44] <mrpickles> let me try again
[02:44] <truz24> for your cdrom?
[02:44] <phzi> ya
[02:44] <truz24> and it was an ide cdrom?
[02:44] <phzi> yup
[02:44] <tanki> you know why i like linux so much, when you buy a new pet, all you have to do for ideas to name is look up the names of the beta versions of distros
[02:45] <ColonelKernel> lol
[02:45] <tanki> breezy would rock for a cat
[02:45] <phzi> lol
[02:45] <b0urn3> is it a problem if some of the packages are held back when i try to do apt-upgrade?
[02:45] <ColonelKernel> rawhide for a dog
[02:45] <mrpickles> Now, I know the next thing I need to do is I need to update some sort of list or something that has to do with apt-get.  Because i don't think apt-getting w32codecs works right away.  can someone please tell me about that ?
[02:45] <daniels> tanki: what, because it always lands on its feet?
[02:45] <benjaminwr> mrpickles close synaptic
[02:45] <benjaminwr> sorry
[02:45] <mrpickles> it is closed >.>
[02:45] <benjaminwr> mrpickles apt-get update
[02:45] <tanki> exactly
[02:45] <mrpickles> done
[02:46] <mrpickles> benjaminwr, now what ?
[02:46] <tanki> but i'm not planning on throwing the cat out the window
[02:46] <benjaminwr> mrpickles you ahve to add repositories
[02:46] <tanki> i might throw my computer but not a cat
[02:46] <mrpickles> benjaminwr, yes I have done this ebfore on my previous install.  I just don't remember how.
[02:46] <aserpe> where do I find a gui listing of the services (sshd, httpd, etc) that are running?
[02:46] <tiglionabbit> does anyone know much about writing to ext3 from windows?
[02:46] <benjaminwr> edit /ect/apt/sources.list
[02:46] <benjaminwr> you have some already there
[02:47] <benjaminwr> you just have to uncomment them
[02:47] <artist303> hi all
[02:47] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[02:47] <ubotu> hmm... sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[02:47] <b0urn3> why won't firefox upgrade?  and how can i fix it?
[02:47] <tiglionabbit> !firefox
[02:47] <ubotu> from memory, firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[02:47] <benjaminwr> mrpickles, once you have edited sources.list
[02:47] <benjaminwr> mrpickles you have to apt-get update again
[02:48] <aserpe> anyone?
[02:48] <tanki> mrpickles is another very cool name for a turtle
[02:48] <[koji] > !media
[02:48] <ubotu> [koji] : Are you smoking crack?
[02:48] <b0urn3> how about gstreamer and ubuntu-desktop?
[02:48] <tanki> i might just buy a turtle so i can call it mrpickles
[02:48] <tiglionabbit> b0urn3: what about them?
[02:48] <tanki> what an ice breaker at parties
[02:48] <mrpickles> tanki, justfor that im going to copy right the name "mrpickles"
[02:48] <phzi> aserpe: System Monitor
[02:48] <tanki> haha
[02:48] <b0urn3> tiglionabbit:  they are held back when i try and do apt-get upgrade
[02:48] <aserpe> phzi: thanks!
[02:49] <phzi> np aserpe
[02:49] <tanki> mrpickles, too late, everything you say here is GPL'd
[02:49] <tiglionabbit> b0urn3: try apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:49] <phzi> truz24: do you have 2 CDrom drives?
[02:49] <[koji] > !help
[02:49] <mrpickles> tanki, what the fuck is GPL'D ?
[02:50] <benjaminwr> general public licensed
[02:50] <tiglionabbit> mrpickles: GNU Public Licence
[02:50] <tiglionabbit> oh, it is general
[02:50] <artist303> I my nVidia gf 4 Mx440 card with a gf 4 Ti 4200 and X makes strange thing when starting. It starts in 640x480 and when I restart it with ctrl+alt+backspace, it comes up in 1024x768, the desired resolution
[02:50] <artist303> I replaced..
[02:50] <artist303> my...
[02:50] <mrpickles> tiglionabbit, HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAH >.^
[02:50] <b0urn3> tiglionabbit:  thanks...that seems to be working...  for future reference when should i do dist-upgrade instead of upgrade?
[02:51] <[koji] > !codecs
[02:51] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:51] <tiglionabbit> b0urn3: dist-upgrade allows it to upgrade when dependencies have changed.  upgrade only allows it to upgrade individual packages, without installing new dependencies
[02:51] <aru> I swear the green light on that damn netgear ga511 lit up the other day in my laptop, but I must have been drunk
[02:51] <krash3x> does anyone know how to make 3d desktop work?
[02:52] <tanki> haha aru
[02:52] <b0urn3> tiglionabbit:  how do i know when dependencies change?
[02:52] <tiglionabbit> b0urn3: well, warty used xserver-xfree86 and hoary uses xserver-xorg
[02:53] <tiglionabbit> b0urn3: just a general change in the libraries used.  regular upgrade doesn't allow it to uninstall anything, or install anything new
[02:53] <Nameeater> does ubuntu by default set a firewall?
[02:53] <b0urn3> tiglionabbit:  i'm getting an error now
[02:53] <sharked> i need help from someone that knows a hell of a lot about linux and wants a challenge
[02:53] <b0urn3> tiglionabbit:  Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:53] <b0urn3>  /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox-gnome-support_1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5_i386.deb
[02:53] <b0urn3> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:53] <phzi> Ign http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports Release
[02:53] <sharked> anyone?
[02:53] <[koji] > Nameater: needs firestarter
[02:54] <tanki> aru, http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/blog/AOTB/post/435246/Beer_Floats_Dairy_Curdling_Good.html
[02:54] <phzi> what is that repository for?
[02:54] <Nameeater> so it shouldn't be blocking any ports then?
[02:54] <tiglionabbit> b0urn3: that's pretty odd
[02:54] <krash3x> does anyone know how to change to 3d desktop I cant find it on my session menu
[02:54] <phzi> krash3x: 3ddesk
[02:54] <imaek> When I first installed ubuntu on this computer, it gave me a list of resolutions and asked me to check the ones that my monitor supports, and it had a few default ones checked, so I left it.  Now, I want a larger resolution (I swear, even though it says 1204x768, it's like GIANT) and I need to edit that list.  How can I do this?
[02:55] <sharked> i need help from someone that knows a hell of a lot about linux and wants a challenge
[02:55] <Frank_dot> krash3x: I think you just run 3ddesk in a console
[02:55] <tiglionabbit> b0urn3: what does your sources.list look like?  (don't paste it here, use a pastebin)
[02:55] <krash3x> ok thanks
[02:55] <phzi> xbindkeys will probably come in handy
[02:55] <phzi> and the xbindkeys-gui is nice too
[02:55] <b0urn3> i think it might have gotten it
[02:55] <tiglionabbit> sharked: don't repeat yourself.  And uh, if you want people who know a lot about linux, try #linux.  Or just ask the question
[02:55] <Nameeater> imaek: /etc/X11/xorg.conf may help, there might be a better way tho
[02:56] <aru> I love tabbed browsing but sometimes I get so many tabs I cry
[02:56] <Nameeater> be brutal and kill then :>
[02:56] <tanki> aru, yeah but that beer tab was worth it
[02:56] <b0urn3> tiglionabbit:  i got it...i had to manually install gnome-firefox support
[02:56] <imaek> Nameeater: do you happen to know the next step above 1024 x 768?
[02:56] <tiglionabbit> b0urn3: ok
[02:56] <tanki> 1200x1024 i think
[02:56] <phzi> 1280x1024 probably
[02:57] <phzi> 1280x1024 is a higher res setting
[02:57] <phzi> unless you want 11?? or w/e that one is
[02:57] <tanki> does anyone here use linux screen savers or do you just have your monitor power down
[02:57] <imaek> okay, so I'm guessign I need to restart X-Server now (ctrl+alt+backspace), right?
[02:58] <Ziggity> how do you refresh the database on Ubuntu?
[02:58] <tiglionabbit> imaek: sure.  You can log out of gnome first though
[02:58] <ksmurf> yehaw.... I fix my nessus.... now for nmap.... On another note I am going to be moving my wife over to linux in the next week and I have a friend that I'm sick of fixing his 'doze box for.  Any suggestions on migrating them?  I've only been using for 8wks or so
[02:58] <phzi> tanki: I use the default SSs
[02:59] <Nameeater_> imaek: lost connection, I use 1152x864, but the one after that is 1280x1024
[02:59] <sharked> Im installing ubuntu x64 on my new comp, it has a asus a8n-sli deluxe mb. i go through the installation process and everything goes ok, but when I get to reboot grub doesn't load at all. I get a system disk boot faliure message... I have tried cahnging hard disk order on the bios, and changing the hard disk. whatever I do, I get no grub at the end
[02:59] <tanki> ksmurf, it's harder to sell linux to a loved one, especially a non-technical one
[02:59] <sharked> can ayone help
[02:59] <[koji] > Ziggity: what database?
[02:59] <OdiiN> anyone have problem with the cpu use of video playback ( mplayer, vlc or totem )?
[03:00] <Ziggity> the repositories... file thing..
[03:00] <tanki> ksmurf, what you should do is just set it up for her in such a way that it allows her to do whatever she does on the intraweb with very little interaction on her part
[03:00] <[koji] > Ziggity: sudo apt-get update
[03:00] <MrJangles> i've changed the background of the terminal to a pic of mine, and now it wont open.. any ideas?
[03:00] <phzi> sharked: boot with a live CD or something, and try doing grub-install hd0
[03:01] <Ziggity> [koji] ,  That gets me an update .. I'm sure theres a Refresh command??
[03:01] <sharked> phzi i dont have a live cd
[03:01] <Nameeater_> MrJangles: remove the pic from the background, copy the pic, and reset it?
[03:01] <phzi> then I got nothing for you, I don't know if the installer CD can help you
[03:01] <MrJangles> the terminal wont open for me to get to the config
[03:01] <phzi> did you install grub to the MBR?
[03:02] <tanki> ksmurf, true all good points but some people want their computer so they can do stuff, instead of just pushing a philosophy.. heh
[03:02] <MrJangles> so i cant change the settings
[03:02] <phzi> sharked: did you install grub to the MBR?
[03:02] <sharked> phzi yes I did
[03:02] <OdiiN> is normal with a athlon64 3200+ have a 70% os cpu use when playing a xvid ?
[03:02] <tanki> and with your help you could ease the transition for her by, for example, picking a window manager for X that resembles microsoft windows
[03:02] <sharked> phzi can I use grub on a floppy to load up and then install grub from ubuntu
[03:03] <Ziggity> can I add an item ( shortcut) to a menu on Ubuntu? How?
[03:03] <sharked> ?
[03:03] <tanki> and then fetching all the net apps she's used to like real player, aim, and so forth
[03:03] <phzi> sharked: yes, you can
[03:03] <MrJangles> is there any way to get to the terminal settings without going through the terminal?
[03:03] <phzi> you'll just have to write yourself a menu.lst file
[03:03] <phzi> but that's pretty easy
[03:03] <tanki> setting it up, icons, all that stuff..
[03:03] <sharked> phzi woops...
[03:04] <Amaranth> Mez: You called?
[03:04] <phzi> ?
[03:04] <sharked> phzi i just installed grub to a floppy and I get GRUB Read Error
[03:04] <phzi> hm
[03:04] <phzi> well, that's kinda odd
[03:04] <Mez> amaranth, that was a while back :D bout a problem user
[03:04] <Mez> am of fbed now
[03:04] <Mez> night
[03:04] <phzi> sharked: you've got me puzzled
[03:04] <Amaranth> kutucape?
[03:04] <Amaranth> night Mez
[03:04] <sharked> phzi everybody I ask seems to have the same reaction...
[03:05] <ksmurf>  np
[03:05] <lcharly_TheOne> i have some problems with the instalation in a laptop AMD
[03:05] <lcharly_TheOne> Configurando ttf-opensymbol (1.1.3-8ubuntu2) ...
[03:05] <lcharly_TheOne> updating fontconfig cache...
[03:05] <lcharly_TheOne> Fontconfig error cnat no load
[03:05] <phzi> installing grub to a floppy shouldn't be able to fail
[03:05] <sharked> phzi I think im gonna go crazy soon with this one
[03:05] <phzi> you don't have virus protection on in your bios do you?
[03:05] <thechitowncubs> hey everyone, im trying to repair my sis's computer, it freezes at the gdm, the activity cursor never stops spinning
[03:05] <sharked> phzi no
[03:05] <lcharly_TheOne> and when ubuntu and ask me the password
[03:05] <thechitowncubs> i'm in the recovery mode root console, any advice on what to check?
[03:05] <sharked> phzi new mobos don't have it
[03:06] <lcharly_TheOne> don't charge ubuntu
[03:06] <thechitowncubs> anyone have an clue :/
[03:06] <MrJangles> my terminal wont open, it think its the bg image i set, anyway to take that off without going through the terminal?
[03:07] <alxwind> plz help! take a look here (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/546)
[03:07] <tiglionabbit> thechitowncubs: can you switch to a virtual terminal while it's spinning?
[03:07] <thechitowncubs> no
[03:07] <primos> how do I boot network in terminal?
[03:07] <vidz> MrJangles: What terminal do you use? gnome-terminal? try xterm and see what happens
[03:07] <primos> reboot
[03:07] <MrJangles> gnome
[03:07] <thechitowncubs> i can't even get into the terminal by using CTRL+F1
[03:07] <MrJangles> k
[03:08] <MrJangles> yea thats fine, and root terminal runs fine
[03:08] <phzi> sharked: you gotta do d option
[03:08] <Ziggity> Bye. and thanx to every1 that helped..
[03:08] <phzi> when installing grub
[03:08] <vidz> primos: "/etc/init.d/networking restart" I believe
[03:08] <scsponger> could someone help me mount a newly installed cd writer?
[03:08] <phzi> it's a buggy bios thing apparently, I'm reading about it
[03:08] <primos> vidz, thanks
[03:08] <vidz> np
[03:08] <tanki> i can't wait for LinuxBIOS to mature
[03:09] <MrJangles> i want to fix the gnome terminal tho
[03:09] <vidz> tanki: LinuxBIOS is perfectly mature... for what it was designed for
[03:09] <tanki> vidz, it has some ways to go so it can support a wider range of motherboards
[03:09] <alxwind> ANYONE! PLZ HELP
[03:09] <alxwind> take look here plz, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/546
[03:10] <vidz> tanki: It was designed for large clusters and fast booting servers, not desktops unfortunately
[03:10] <thechitowncubs> tiglionabbit: any ideas?
[03:10] <scsponger> could someone help me mount a newly installed cd writer?
[03:10] <teferi_> i'll ask my semi-daily question...anyone know when linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.12 will be in breezy?
[03:10] <vidz> tanki: It works great for High Performance Computing and will probably never hit the desktop
[03:10] <sharked> phzi what is d option?
[03:10] <tanki> vidz, you never know, some geeks have very powerful desktops these days
[03:10] <bimberi> alxwind: Try "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5/include" (ie. add /include to what you tried before)
[03:10] <MrJangles> vidz: can i change the settings of the gnome terminal without opening it?
[03:11] <sharked> phzi what is d option?
[03:11] <Kyral> scsponger, find out what its /dev entry is and then make a /media mountpoint, then edit the fstab to link'em
[03:11] <vidz> MrJangles: Try another terminal and see if it opens. Like xterm
[03:11] <MrJangles> yes those are fine
[03:11] <alxwind> it doesn't work
[03:11] <MrJangles> but id like to fix gnome
[03:11] <mpmc> Help
[03:11] <mpmc> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[03:11] <mpmc> See `config.log' for more details.
[03:12] <Kyral> Actually
[03:12] <mpmc> were do I get the C complier
[03:12] <Kyral> mpmc: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[03:12] <tanki> vidz, maybe it's fleeting but i see it being used for desktops too, maybe not your common run of the mill ones but the high performance ones
[03:12] <hd420> well, the solution i've reached is to just manually install apache, as everything else seems to be ok
[03:12] <tanki> afterall, it's hard to lump linux user's desktops in any catagory heh
[03:13] <scsponger> Kyral.... I know its hdd... but thats about it... there is no entry in my /etc/fstab.... forgive me I'm new a linux
[03:13] <tanki> some are so powerful
[03:13] <Kyral> mpmc, look at what I just said
[03:13] <vidz> tanki: What you see it for an what the developers and companies paying for it to be developed for see a little differently XD
[03:13] <MrJangles> any idea vidz?
[03:13] <Kyral> scsponger, do a sudo mkdir /media/<whatever>
[03:13] <sharked> phzi what is d option?
[03:13] <Kyral> then sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[03:13] <scsponger> Kyral.... will do gimme a sec
[03:13] <mpmc> thanks you
[03:14] <tanki> vidz, do you think that IP will rear its ugly head in all of this?
[03:14] <scsponger> ok
[03:14] <Kyral> copy your current CDROM line, replacing its /dev and /media entries with the ones for the new one
[03:14] <Vortacist> Question about logfiles: On startup/shutdown, when all of the scripts in /etc/rc?.d are run - is all of that logged anywhere?  I'd like to go back and see what is happening on startup/shutdown.
[03:14] <tanki> see it's just the idea of being able to make a bios with no assembly, just C that gives me a woody hehe
[03:15] <supernix> Hi does anyone know how to get midi files to play in Kubuntu ?
[03:15] <Kyral> tanki, you are officially a geek
[03:15] <^thehatsrule^> supernix: play it in a media/audio player...
[03:15] <tanki> i'm 28 and a virgin, i think i'm complete now
[03:16] <supernix> ^thehatsrule^: that is not a solution
[03:16] <tanki> being called a geek by his peers.. completes me
[03:16] <ksmurf> rofl
[03:16] <scsponger> kyral... after making the dir should I see an entry in the fstab?
[03:16] <Kyral> scsponger, no
[03:16] <struggler> anybody know if upgrading the hoary libc6 with a debian one will get me in trouble?
[03:16] <thechitowncubs> hey everyone, im trying to repair my sis's computer, it freezes at the gdm, the activity cursor never stops spinning
[03:16] <thechitowncubs> i'm in the recovery mode root console, any advice on what to check?
[03:16] <^thehatsrule^> supernix: what do you mean then? midi files are audio...
[03:16] <thechitowncubs> i can't even get into the terminal by using CTRL+F1
[03:16] <Kyral> scsponger, you have to manually edit /etc/fstab
[03:16] <thechitowncubs> if im booting normally
[03:16] <supernix> Yes but you have to have something that will work to play them
[03:17] <MrJangles> is there anyway to change gnome terminal settings without going through the terminal?>
[03:17] <supernix> Just saying play them in a compatible program does not provide any useful answer
[03:17] <scsponger> gotcha Kyral
[03:17] <Vortacist> supernix: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#add-onapplications has info about installing media players.
[03:17] <Kyral> scsponger, sudo gedit /etc/fstab, then copy your current CDROM line, replacing its /dev and /media entries with the ones for the new drive
[03:18] <sharked> can anyone tell me what the d option to install grub is?
[03:18] <sharked> and how to use it from ubuntu install
[03:18] <^thehatsrule^> /boot/grub
[03:19] <scsponger> Gotcha Kyral.... I'll do this and get back to you in a sec
[03:19] <struggler> anybody know of the existence of a backport of postgresql 8 for hoary?
[03:19] <rainingzigzags> why is my web browsing on linux dirt slow but when i jump on my windows partion it flys
[03:19] <sharked> can anyone tell me what the d option to install grub is?
[03:19] <sharked> and how to use it from ubuntu install
[03:20] <alxwind> 10x everyone i got vmware installed finally
[03:20] <b0urn3> i just added a new screen resolution to the xorg.config file, how do i refresh X?
[03:21] <Vortacist> Does anything log the messages that display on startup/shutdown...you know, "Some-servie-or-other....[ok] "?  (Or do you just have to read really quickly? :p )
[03:21] <misfit_toy> rainingzigzags, name resolution
[03:21] <dylan_> what is the best linux media player?  im currently using xmms
[03:21] <seth_k> b0urn3: CTRL ALT BACKSPACE will kill X.
[03:22] <vidz> dylan_: Do you like xmms?
[03:22] <b0urn3> seth_k:  thanks
[03:22] <Kyral> dylan_, asking that will start a flame war :P
[03:22] <dylan_> not too much
[03:22] <lcharly_TheOne> i need drivers for an ATi video card on a laptop??
[03:22] <vidz> dylan_: I use beep-media-player and it's pretty good. It is just a gtk2 version of xmms
[03:22] <rainingzigzags> 1024x768
[03:22] <dylan_> does beep-media-player support quicktime?  is there an alternative to quicktime?
[03:22] <vidz> dylan_: rhythmbox is also really good featurewise. It is alot more like apple's itunes
[03:22] <jode> What is a good anti-virus for ubuntu besides clamav?
[03:22] <dylan_> rhytmhbox would not support mp3s
[03:23] <Kyral> umm
[03:23] <siimo> hi can someone help me recover my grub install? i get a stage 1.5 error or something
[03:23] <Kyral> Linux not need AV :P
[03:23] <vidz> jode: LINUX doesn't need antivirus
[03:23] <Vortacist> dylan_: If you want something for video, I recommend VLC. Plays just about anything with no fuss.
[03:23] <vidz> dylan_: Open up synaptic...
[03:23] <jode> ok, thanks
[03:23] <rainingzigzags> misfit_toy, i use the same resolution in both windows and linux 1024x768
[03:23] <Kyral> Yanno, I keep forgetting about Synaptic
[03:23] <rc51woody> question: is there anyone in here that uses gay.com? if so would you message me plz
[03:23] <Kyral> rainingzigzags, he meant the Domain Name Resolution
[03:24] <rainingzigzags> how do i find that out?
[03:24] <Kyral> rc51woody, why does that seem like a porn site?
[03:24] <zukalk> rc51woody, huh?
[03:24] <[koji] > lol
[03:24] <rc51woody> well there is a chat area
[03:24] <tanki> linux doesn't have many true binary viruses because in general, no two linux systems are alike so it's hard for a virus writer to make something that works on all linux users
[03:24] <rc51woody> that the java i have doesnt allow me to chat
[03:24] <rc51woody> not a porn site, unless you use it for that ;)
[03:25] <zukalk> rc51woody, why would you wanna chat at that site?
[03:25] <tanki> there are linux viruses out there but very few
[03:25] <rc51woody> hmm...
[03:25] <mebaran151> I need Mono on Debian
[03:25] <mebaran151> Ubuntu that is
[03:25] <Kyral> I'm thinking because he's gay perhaps?
[03:25] <rc51woody> ok ok ok, im gay :(
[03:25] <siimo> The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. is what i get when i do grub-install /dev/hda  can someone help please?
[03:25] <mrpickles> could someone tell me why flashplayer plays with no sound after it installed? I just installed flash player using apt get and everything works except the sound.
[03:25] <Kyral> rc51woody, no shame, I'm bisexual
[03:25] <mebaran151> where can get the Mono pkgs
[03:25] <zukalk> ah, so it's not porn
[03:25] <zukalk> good
[03:25] <tanki> most people who use a virus scanner for linux, use it to scan files/emails that are intended for windows boxes (ala. mail server)
[03:26] <Will_> My best friend is gay! And his boyfriend too.. *grin* We're going to a movie tomorrow
[03:26] <rc51woody> im thinkin that you and i are not the only ones here
[03:26] <tanki> oh he left
[03:26] <tanki> i feel stupid now
[03:26] <mebaran151> I need everything I would need to write an executable that could be run as a cgi
[03:26] <mebaran151> I am using lighttpd
[03:26] <mebaran151> anyboyd know
[03:26] <mebaran151> google is inconclusive
[03:26] <Kyral> Gay, Bi, or Hetero, we are all humans
[03:26] <rc51woody> hell ya
[03:26] <mrpickles> could someone tell me why flashplayer plays with no sound after it installed? I just installed flash player using apt get and everything works except the sound
[03:26] <mebaran151> and synaptic doesnt do anything I need it too
[03:26] <Will_> Kyral: Not true. I, for one, am a meat popsicle
[03:26] <zukalk> Kyral, rc51woody, that's the ubuntu spirit, ain't it?
[03:26] <Kyral> homophobes sickin me
[03:26] <mebaran151> as it wont install the base libraries
[03:26] <rc51woody> so Kyral, do you know java for linux well?
[03:26] <rc51woody> your right on zu
[03:27] <mebaran151> setting up Java on AMD64 can kill small children
[03:27] <Kyral> rc51woody, aside from getting Azureus to work?
[03:27] <Kyral> nope :P
[03:27] <[koji] > !java
[03:27] <ubotu> from memory, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[03:27] <primos> gnome is shitty, must turn get to xfce :) ->
[03:27] <mrpickles> could someone tell me why flashplayer plays with no sound after it installed? I just installed flash player using apt get and everything works except the sound
[03:27] <Kyral> Ubuntu: Linux for Human Beings!
[03:27] <Kyral> now we need a country :D
[03:28] <mpmc> Gnome is much better than Kubuntu :)
[03:28] <rc51woody> Kyral: can i private msg you?
[03:28] <mebaran151> ANYONE know about Mono here
[03:28] <aru> I had mono once
[03:28] <Kyral> Ubuntu! The Country for human beings
[03:28] <Kyral> yah sure
[03:28] <Amaranth> mebaran151: Sort of.
[03:28] <siimo> :-S
[03:28] <mebaran151> Amaranth, I want to set up a base system
[03:28] <mebaran151> that can serve a mono cgi
[03:28] <Kyral> oh, no one has to ask to PM me btw
[03:28] <rainingzigzags> so how do i make my browsing on linux faster?
[03:28] <mebaran151> I need the mono packages
[03:28] <mebaran151> my only problem is
[03:28] <b0urn3> ok....first off, you guys have been amazing this evening with the help....i've got an odd question...
[03:28] <mrpickles> is there anyone willing to spend some of their time to help me ?
[03:28] <mebaran151> that I think they are only available for 32 bits at the moment
[03:29] <Amaranth> mebaran151: Yeah, if they work in hoary on AMD64 it's a miracle.
[03:29] <Kyral> 64bit, sorry can't help you
[03:29] <mebaran151> and my favorite thing is to run Linux 64 bit edition .... (someone will die one day because of that choice)
[03:29] <Amaranth> mebaran151: The 1.1.x versions that breezy has are _a lot_ better.
[03:29] <mebaran151> IO dont wnat to write a JIT compiler my self
[03:29] <mebaran151> yeah
[03:29] <mebaran151> but do they run 64 bits
[03:29] <Amaranth> yeah
[03:29] <mebaran151> cool
[03:29] <mebaran151> if I write a program in mono though
[03:29] <mebaran151> I would need to cross compile it
[03:30] <aru> how do you tell which kernel version you have?
[03:30] <mebaran151> to run it on 32 bits right?
[03:30] <b0urn3> i had upgraded to a new video card when i was still using windows...but when i tried to use windows the video card pulled too much power and the monitor wouldn't work (running on an old dell dimension)...if i use the driver from nvidia will i start drawing too much power again?
[03:30] <mebaran151> or is the intermediate language it uses abstract enough that architecture differences disappear
[03:30] <mebaran151> guess who is moving to breezy :)
[03:30] <zukalk> b0urn3, why don't you get new power surge unit?
[03:31] <Nameeater> is breezy still in testing?
[03:31] <Kyral> YES!!
[03:31] <b0urn3> zukalk:  because i am an impoverished law student :)
[03:31] <Kyral> YES!!
[03:31] <mebaran151> looks like I am going to be compiling from source
[03:31] <Amaranth> mebaran151: it'll work on amd64, x86, ppc, alpha, and i think sparc
[03:31] <Kyral> Very Unstable!
[03:31] <Amaranth> Kyral: To be fair it does work today.
[03:31] <Nameeater> ok :)
[03:31] <Kyral> TODAY?
[03:32] <Kyral> As in no X screwups?
[03:32] <Amaranth> Kyral: It'll probably break again tomorrow, but the stuff in main at least is almost past the 'die every other day' point.
[03:32] <Amaranth> yeah, for me
[03:32] <MrJangles> my gnome terminal wont open, is there anyway to change the settings without opening it?
[03:32] <hd420> weird
[03:32] <aio> MrJangles what happens when you try to open it?
[03:32] <rc51woody> can you install windows xp as a 2nd OS if you already have Ubuntu installed?
[03:32] <MrJangles> closes right away
[03:32] <mebaran151> Amaranth, yep it does
[03:33] <mebaran151> but when I run the compiler
[03:33] <MrJangles> i think its got to do with the bg image i chose
[03:33] <mebaran151> it isnt like compiling C right
[03:33] <pepsix> MrJangles, gconf-editor?
[03:33] <Amaranth> no
[03:33] <mebaran151> I read it uses an intermediate language
[03:33] <zukalk> b0urn3, can't you plug your monitor directly to the current, without using the PC?
[03:33] <Amaranth> it's compiled down to CIL
[03:33] <mebaran151> that is kind of like Java bytecode
[03:33] <aio> MrJangles what if you run an xterm, then try to run a gnome terminal
[03:33] <Amaranth> yeah
[03:33] <tiglionabbit> rc51woody: yes you can, but you'll have to restore grub after you do it
[03:33] <Amaranth> so that .exe will run anywhere mono runs
[03:33] <mebaran151> I could never get bytecode to port correctly
[03:33] <mebaran151> oh
[03:33] <mebaran151> sweet
[03:33] <mebaran151> is it fast though
[03:33] <MrJangles> thanks :D
[03:33] <MrJangles> i'll try that too
[03:34] <Amaranth> mebaran151: startup is slower than pure C, of course
[03:34] <mebaran151> yeah
[03:34] <mebaran151> I know that
[03:34] <tiglionabbit> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[03:34] <mebaran151> but the main thing
[03:34] <mebaran151> is will it be faster than Python/Ruby
[03:34] <aio> java sucks
[03:34] <tiglionabbit> !recover
[03:34] <Amaranth> mebaran151: it's funny, GTK# actually uses less RAM than PyGTK
[03:34] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: Are you smoking crack?
[03:34] <aio> c# sucks
[03:34] <mebaran151> I would think so
[03:34] <tiglionabbit> ubotu recover is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[03:34] <ubotu> okay, tiglionabbit
[03:34] <mebaran151> aio, why does it suck
[03:34] <aio> mebaran151 which one?
[03:34] <Adross> how do i mount an ext3 drive?
[03:34] <Amaranth> aio: Have you used it?
[03:34] <mebaran151> it looks like a pretty powerful language
[03:34] <tiglionabbit> guys, don't just say something sucks, tell us why
[03:34] <Amaranth> aio: Either one.
[03:35] <mebaran151> yeah
[03:35] <mebaran151> Java I dont like
[03:35] <tiglionabbit> Adross: know the device name?
[03:35] <Adross> yes
[03:35] <mebaran151> but I know it can be used
[03:35] <Adross> sda4
[03:35] <Amaranth> aio: I've used both and they both have their place.
[03:35] <mebaran151> I am thinking of developing in C#
[03:35] <tiglionabbit> Adross: mount /dev/sda4 /somewhere
[03:35] <MrJangles> hmm, i can launch it from xterm
[03:35] <mebaran151> and hooking it all up with ruby
[03:35] <aio> Amaranth java sucks because 1) you've got sun behind it and no single strong open source alternative.
[03:35] <MrJangles> but it goes to root terminal
[03:35] <Amaranth> um
[03:35] <mebaran151> ok
[03:35] <tiglionabbit> Adross: make the /somewhere any directory you want, but it must exist and be empty
[03:35] <mebaran151> aio, that is all cool
[03:35] <Kyral> !java
[03:35] <ubotu> from memory, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[03:35] <mebaran151> but C# is open souurce
[03:35] <mebaran151> I think
[03:36] <rc51woody> tiglionabbit: how do i restore grub after i install xp
[03:36] <mebaran151> the Mon project lets me check out code!
[03:36] <Adross> yeh, cheers
[03:36] <tiglionabbit> !recover
[03:36] <ubotu> recover is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[03:36] <pgavin> mebaran151, uhh, not really, there is an open source implementation, tho
[03:36] <pepsix> MrJangles, you can change the background image in gconf-editor
[03:36] <Amaranth> aio: 1) sun isn't that bad and 2) the gcj and classpath guys would like you saying that
[03:36] <Adross> i was putting -ext3 in there
[03:36] <aio> Amaranth 2) trying to actually *do* anything is a pain in the butt.  do you actually remember how to open a file and read lines from it from memory?
[03:36] <aio> Amaranth 1) sun's future isn't that bright
[03:36] <Adross> anyway, now thats done, how do i change my home directory to a different partition?
[03:36] <MrJangles> i'm looking, i dont think i can
[03:36] <mebaran151> pgavin, that is like saying UNIX is not open source right now, but FreeBSD is an open source implementation
[03:36] <aio> Amaranth 3) java is virtually unusable without an IDE with lots of bells and whistles
[03:36] <[koji] > aio: sun's may not be but the platform is thriving
[03:36] <mebaran151> to me, if it has a free implementation, it is free enough
[03:36] <tiglionabbit> Adross: it's not necessary, but if you must specify the type, say "-t ext3" instead
[03:36] <mebaran151> aio, but why does C# suck
[03:36] <MrJangles> ah yes i can
[03:37] <mebaran151> looks interesting
[03:37] <Adross> tiglionabbit, i did
[03:37] <pgavin> mebaran151, well, the only C# reference implementation is closed source
[03:37] <aio> Amaranth 4) it is *way* too strongly typed despite what they are tying to accomplish in version 5
[03:37] <pgavin> mebaran151, but there are multiple open source implementations of unix that can be used as a reference
[03:37] <Will_> It's easy to code java without an ide
[03:37] <tiglionabbit> Adross: um, if you mount a partition as /home it should replace it, but you wont be able to access the things in there anymore.  You should set it in your fstab
[03:37] <mebaran151> why cant we use Mono.net as a reference
[03:37] <Will_> Unless you count vim as an ide
[03:37] <goatse> ubuntu doesnt like my laptop =(
[03:37] <mebaran151> once the project matures a little more
[03:37] <mebaran151> it seems it will be reference enoguh
[03:37] <tiglionabbit> goatse: and I don't like your website
[03:37] <aio> mebaran151 c# sucks because 1) its primary patron is Microsoft.  this is a good thing but the negative, i think, outweigh it.
[03:37] <arentie> LimeWire states that my "Quality" is Disconnected, but I can search for files; however, I cannot download anything
[03:37] <pgavin> mebaran151, well, sure, after its mature, but its not right now
[03:38] <goatse> tiglionabbit: dont go there?
[03:38] <Amaranth> it's mature right now
[03:38] <aio> mebaran151 2) same thing goes for c# as java on the whole IDE thing
[03:38] <Adross> tiglionabbit, won't be able to access the things in which? MY old partition which i just mounted in /home, or the home folder it replaced?
[03:38] <MrJangles> i can change the default one, but not the one for my profile
[03:38] <aio> mebaran151 3) same thing goes for c# as java on static typing
[03:38] <Amaranth> unless you need security zones or System.Windows.Forms
[03:38] <tiglionabbit> Adross: folder it replaced
[03:38] <aio> mebaran151 4) same thing goes for c# as java on actually getting stuff done
[03:38] <Adross> ah k, fine with me
[03:38] <Adross> just reinstalled u see
[03:39] <Amaranth> aio: Have you ever worked on a major project in Java or C#?
[03:39] <pgavin> mebaran151, plus, C# has lots of windows specific details which would have to be emulated in mono
[03:39] <Adross> do i have to do it outside of x?
[03:39] <Amaranth> pgavin: Not really true at all.
[03:39] <arentie> does anyone know anything about LimeWire?
[03:39] <aio> Amaranth yes.  i did a small part of the dev and a huge part of the QA on a 100,000 LOC project in java
[03:39] <mebaran151> pgavin, eh that is true
[03:40] <Amaranth> ah, you got stuck with the shit job, of course you hate java
[03:40] <mebaran151> i just dont want to write in bare C
[03:40] <mebaran151> and C# looks sort of neet
[03:40] <aio> Amaranth deployed to BEA
[03:40] <MrJangles> hmm, it might not have to do with the bg image.. it opens, it displays everything for a split second, and closes
[03:40] <MrJangles> any ideas?
[03:40] <aio> Amaranth ummm....no - java just sucks.  i could've had a bigger part of the dev work, but i didn't want to work with java.
[03:41] <mebaran151> so what do you guys think I should use
[03:41] <aio> MrJangles did you try the xterm thing?
[03:41] <mebaran151> I want to build a pretty complex web application
[03:41] <rainingzigzags> can ubuntu be installed on a modded xbox?
[03:41] <MrJangles> yes, and it opens the terminal, but as root
[03:41] <mebaran151> I prototyped in Ruby which is uber neat
[03:41] <Amaranth> The most I've ever done with Java is bugfixes on a project, so I can't argue there.
[03:41] <pgavin> the OSS implementation of C# isn't any better than any OSS implementation of Java, and all of them are incomplete and of limited utility atm
[03:41] <mebaran151> all of you should try it; one of the more sensibly designed language
[03:41] <aio> MrJangles any errors?
[03:41] <Amaranth> But I've done some work with C# and it's not bad at all.
[03:41] <MrJangles> no
[03:41] <aio> mebaran151 i'd take a peek at python
[03:41] <mebaran151> I know python
[03:41] <Amaranth> I prefer Python and always will but C# has a place.
[03:41] <mebaran151> I hate python
[03:41] <mebaran151> because Ruby can do eveyrthing python can do
[03:41] <MrJangles> but i cant run a terminal unless i'm root
[03:42] <mebaran151> except it feels better thought out
[03:42] <crimsun> there is no single high level language that does everything well
[03:42] <tiglionabbit> MrJangles: what?
[03:42] <pgavin> mebaran151, well, both are turing complete :)
[03:42] <Amaranth> pgavin: Stop speaking about things you know nothing about.
[03:42] <pgavin> Amaranth, lol
[03:42] <MrJangles> i can open the root terminal fine
[03:42] <mebaran151> pgavin, yep both are turing complete
[03:42] <aio> MrJangles yeah - what?
[03:42] <Amaranth> pgavin: Mono is more than complete enough to be usable.
[03:42] <MrJangles> but the regular terminal will not open
[03:42] <mebaran151> I woudl hope
[03:42] <MrJangles> it closes right away
[03:42] <tiglionabbit> MrJangles: right-click your desktop and click on "launch terminal"
[03:42] <aio> MrJangles can you open xterm as non-root?
[03:42] <mebaran151> crimsun, but I think Ruby has a better design
[03:42] <tiglionabbit> MrJangles: oh, okay, you must have done something to your .bashrc
[03:42] <Amaranth> mebaran151: You think _Ruby_ is better thought out?
[03:42] <MrJangles> yup, closes right away
[03:43] <mebaran151> not than C#
[03:43] <mebaran151> but the syntax is SO nice
[03:43] <Amaranth> mebaran151: Hey, where can I get that crack?
[03:43] <MrJangles> suggestions?
[03:43] <mebaran151> alot of the implementation is crappy
[03:43] <crimsun> mebaran151: than some languages? sure. It's by no means the end-all be-all, though.
[03:43] <xuniluser> Good Day!
[03:43] <pgavin> Amaranth, the same could be said of gcj; and besides, where is the deluge of C# apps based on mono?
[03:43] <mebaran151> crimsun, never said that
[03:43] <crimsun> mebaran151: didn't say you did
[03:43] <mebaran151> that is why I am looking into Mono
[03:43] <aio> mebaran151 ruby just looks like perl on OO sterhoids...
[03:43] <mebaran151> aio, I liked perl too until I found ruby
[03:43] <mebaran151> so I guess that might be why
[03:43] <crimsun> well, perl did strongly influence ruby's early development
[03:44] <aio> mebaran151 i liked perl too, until i tried to do OO
[03:44] <Will_> perl is always there, and always easy
[03:44] <xuniluser> What password would I enter when asked after i clicked on the "add/remove programs"? I tried the root password and it doesn't work. Thanks
[03:44] <mebaran151> aio, yep
[03:44] <mebaran151> exactly
[03:44] <crimsun> anyhow, this is all great, but let's help with some Ubuntu issues, eh?
[03:44] <aio> mebaran151 then i found Python and haven't looked back since.
[03:44] <mebaran151> I tried python
[03:44] <scsponger> Kyral... it worked I can see I have a blank disc in my drive... but I still can't seem to burn a cd
[03:44] <mebaran151> the problem for me was whitespacing
[03:44] <mebaran151> I love to put in random indents
[03:44] <mebaran151> and that drove the python compiler nutty
[03:44] <Amaranth> pgavin: Well, there are a bunch of major ones you might have heard of. Beagle, Dashboard, Tomboy, Blam, F-Spot, and some more I can't remember the names of.
[03:44] <tiglionabbit> mebaran151: yes, python cares about whitespace..
[03:45] <Amaranth> mebaran151: Remind me to never work on any code you've touched. :P
[03:45] <MrJangles> how can i fix the .bashrc?
[03:45] <pgavin> Amaranth, no, none of them :)
[03:45] <aio> scsponger what all symptoms are you having?
[03:45] <mebaran151> Amaranth, it isnt so bad
[03:45] <mebaran151> it is just not pythony
[03:45] <alxwind> can anyone advise a good cd brning program?
[03:45] <aio> scsponger does it pop up nautilus in burn:/// and not let you burn?
[03:45] <tiglionabbit> MrJangles: well, looj at it and see what bash isn't liking you for
[03:45] <mebaran151> graveman
[03:45] <tiglionabbit> *look
[03:46] <Amaranth> pgavin: Major search tool, cracktastic thing in development, note taker with wiki links, feed reader, and major photo manager.
[03:46] <MrJangles> sorry, i'm new, i dont know how to look at it
[03:46] <mebaran151> Amaranth, it still looks like a cool language, c#
[03:46] <scsponger> aio yes that is correct
[03:46] <mebaran151> worth learning
[03:46] <mebaran151> it also looks enterprise friendly
[03:46] <Amaranth> mebaran151: It is, but I always end up turning back to Python.
[03:46] <scsponger> the cd/dvd creator will not let me burn
[03:46] <aio> scsponger i had the same problem the past couple days.
[03:46] <Amaranth> mebaran151: But it's nice to put on a resume that I know C#. :)
[03:46] <tiglionabbit> MrJangles: I'd suggest you try and login as a normal user from the virtual terminal.  Does it give any odd messages other than the MOTD?
[03:46] <mebaran151> I think Ruby and Python are comparable
[03:46] <mebaran151> I tried to do this in Ruby but now I have two key problems
[03:46] <Vortacist> alxwind: I like xcdroast myself.
[03:47] <rainingzigzags> how do i check dns settings in this distro?
[03:47] <scsponger> it asks me to insert a 108MB?  disc
[03:47] <mebaran151> one,the guy who needs the code needs it to be closed src
[03:47] <Amaranth> mebaran151: Except Python looks nice and Ruby looks like a bunch of hacks to Perl. :D
[03:47] <MrJangles> i can run a terminal from another account
[03:47] <alxwind> is it available through synaptic?
[03:47] <aio> scsponger that's a little comforting that it may not be my hardware :-)
[03:47] <MrJangles> its only the account i'm in
[03:47] <mebaran151> Amaranth, the ruby guys say the same thing about python
[03:47] <scsponger> aio... haha
[03:47] <aio> scsponger doesn't do that for me.
[03:47] <tiglionabbit> MrJangles: definately your .bashrc
[03:47] <MrJangles> when i changed the settings around to customize it, it wont open
[03:47] <mebaran151> a hacked on Object oriented extension
[03:47] <scsponger> aio... oh? not anymore?
[03:47] <Amaranth> mebaran151: btw, you actually liked perl?
[03:47] <MrJangles> how can i fix it?
[03:47] <mebaran151> eh
[03:47] <mebaran151> it was usable
[03:47] <Amaranth> mebaran151: I liked it until I got up to about 500 lines of code.
[03:47] <Vortacist> alxwind: Probably, although I haven't used it on Ubuntu (just other Linuxes). You'd have to check.
[03:47] <scsponger> aio.. did you change anything?
[03:48] <mebaran151> you need to write over 1000 lines
[03:48] <mebaran151> and then you go
[03:48] <mebaran151> hey, I can get this
[03:48] <alxwind> ok, ty
[03:48] <tiglionabbit> say MrJangles, can you Applications -> run application -> "xterm" ?
[03:48] <Vortacist> alxwind: You're welcome.
[03:48] <mebaran151> at 500 lines I was angry too
[03:48] <aio> scsponger yeah - i rebooted couple times and it started behaving a little better, but i'm still concerned it may happen smoe more...
[03:48] <Amaranth> you write over 1000 lines and then you go "wtf does this do?" and then you stab yourself
[03:48] <mebaran151> but if you get in the mind set
[03:48] <MrJangles> xterm is fine, root termianl is fine
[03:48] <xuniluser> i can't i play mp3 files in my new ubuntu 5.0.4
[03:48] <mebaran151> it is just like any other language
[03:48] <mebaran151> and it can be run anywhere
[03:48] <tiglionabbit> MrJangles: but gnome-terminal messes up?
[03:48] <MrJangles> exactly
[03:48] <mebaran151> Amaranth, I have two key problems
[03:48] <mebaran151> though
[03:48] <mebaran151> for this current project
[03:48] <MrJangles> it opens and closes right away
[03:48] <tiglionabbit> MrJangles: open xterm as you, and run gnome-terminal from it.  Any messages?
[03:48] <Amaranth> good python code practically reads like psuedo-code
[03:48] <scsponger> aio... hmm... could you look at my fstab... and see if it makes sense... i'm still new to this
[03:48] <thechitowncubs> how can i remove an unempty directory with the CLI FTP client?
[03:49] <MrJangles> thats fine, but it runs as root
[03:49] <mebaran151> I need to be able to
[03:49] <MrJangles> it doesnt run as my profile
[03:49] <aio> scsponger sure
[03:49] <tiglionabbit> MrJangles: don't run it as root
[03:49] <aio> scsponger paste to pastebin
[03:49] <xuniluser> what should i do? I can't play mp3 with the new ubuntu
[03:49] <MrJangles> it wont give me an option\
[03:49] <mebaran151> obfuscate my code
[03:49] <MrJangles> let me log in and out again and try it
[03:49] <mebaran151> so that it can be part of this closed source deal
[03:49] <tiglionabbit> MrJangles: when you just do applications -> run, and type in xterm, that shouldn't end up as root...
[03:49] <mebaran151> and it has to be pretty fast
[03:49] <scsponger> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[03:49] <scsponger> #
[03:49] <scsponger> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[03:49] <scsponger> proc            /proc		proc    defaults        0       0
[03:49] <scsponger> /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[03:49] <scsponger> /dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[03:49] <scsponger> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[03:49] <mebaran151> and easy to web interface
[03:49] <scsponger> /dev/hdd	/media/cdrecorder	udf,iso9660	ro,user,noauto	0       0
[03:49] <scsponger> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[03:49] <rainingzigzags> in my dns settings why would it say under the search domains....  domain.invalid??
[03:49] <tiglionabbit> sproingie: no pasting here, use a pastebin please
[03:49] <Amaranth> mebaran151: Then you want C# or C.
[03:49] <scsponger> aio.... sorry thats a mess
[03:49] <mebaran151> yeah
[03:50] <Amaranth> mebaran151: C# can be decompiled though
[03:50] <mebaran151> C#
[03:50] <tiglionabbit> oops
[03:50] <tiglionabbit> I mean scsponger no pasting here
[03:50] <aio> scsponger yeah - that's why i said to pastebin :-)
[03:50] <mebaran151> how easy can C# be compiled
[03:50] <Amaranth> one command
[03:50] <scsponger> sorry all
[03:50] <mebaran151> I mean decompiled
[03:50] <Amaranth> one command :P
[03:50] <MrJangles> ah yes
[03:50] <mebaran151> arghh
[03:50] <MrJangles> it opens and closes
[03:50] <MrJangles> same thing
[03:50] <Amaranth> you lose all the comments and such
[03:50] <tiglionabbit> MrJangles: no messages in your xterm?
[03:50] <Amaranth> and i think the decompiler costs lots of money
[03:50] <MrJangles> no
[03:50] <aio> scsponger  what is udf filesystem?
[03:50] <mebaran151> oh
[03:50] <xuniluser> MrJangles: Can you help me? what should i do? I can't play mp3 with the new ubuntu
[03:50] <mebaran151> decompiling wont be too big a deal
[03:51] <aio> anyone - what is udf filesystem?
[03:51] <mebaran151> I couldnt find anyway to obfuscate python or ruby
[03:51] <Amaranth> I probably shouldn't mention all the C decompilers. :P
[03:51] <mebaran151> I know
[03:51] <mebaran151> but those are sort of crappy
[03:51] <tiglionabbit> !pastebin
[03:51] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[03:51] <mebaran151> much of the time
[03:51] <MrJangles> xuniluser: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:51] <scsponger> aio... not really sure.... the other drives were installed at installations
[03:51] <scsponger> aio installation
[03:51] <Amaranth> mebaran151: reverse engineering something is almost always harder than writing someone from scratch that does the same thing.
[03:51] <xuniluser> MrJangles: thanks a lot...
[03:51] <MrJangles> np
[03:51] <Amaranth> err, something
[03:52] <MrJangles> so whats wrong with my .bashrc?
[03:52] <MrJangles> and how can i go about fixing it :)
[03:52] <scsponger> aio... i just copied the same options... I had for my other cdrom.... I realize its probably wrong
[03:52] <scsponger> aio for my writer
[03:52] <aio> scsponger was the other a writer?
[03:52] <mebaran151> Amaranth, it just doesnt have to be as easy as
[03:52] <mebaran151> vim mycode.rb
[03:52] <mebaran151> :)
[03:52] <aru> apparently my pc card nic will work with a realtek 8169 driver, is the only way I get that to work is recompile the kernel?
[03:53] <Amaranth> mebaran151: There are 'compilers' for Python that fix that somewhat.
[03:53] <tiglionabbit> MrJangles: here, I'll give you my .bashrc and you can try it.  Back yours up.  pridelands.org/~spinifex/.bashrc
[03:53] <aio> aru you could use ndis.
[03:53] <aio> aru never done it, but it's supposed to be easy.
[03:53] <scsponger> aio... yes it is .... and strange enough in sees it in gnomebaker and cd/dvd creator
[03:53] <MrJangles> where do i find it to back it up?
[03:53] <zukalk> !alternative
[03:53] <ubotu> alternative is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[03:53] <tiglionabbit> MrJangles: it should be in your home directory.  ls -a to see it
[03:53] <zukalk> nice..
[03:53] <Amaranth> mebaran151: They basically inject the code directly into the interpreter and present it as a 4MB program that runs on it's own (still needs GTK libraries and such if you use them).
[03:54] <crimsun> aru: you could compile the module externally using linux-headers-$(uname -r) and build-essential
[03:54] <aio> scsponger hmmm...ok - you got me stumped.  i dunno.  have you googled around?
[03:54] <sizzam> im looking for recommendations for an ftp server.  i want to have no anonymous access and just use the existing user accounts on the system as logins
[03:54] <aru> I'll check it out, thanks
[03:54] <aru> I dont follow you crimsun :)
[03:54] <mebaran151> Amaranth, I know about those
[03:54] <mebaran151> the perl ones suck
[03:54] <aru> I've never actually compiled a kernel
[03:54] <blmartin771> Can I make gnome terminal transparent?
[03:55] <mebaran151> I might try diveintopython
[03:55] <crimsun> aru: install those two packages, then compile the rtl8169 driver externoally
[03:55] <scsponger> aio... I have... but I can't seem to find a how-to with ubuntu and cd writers
[03:55] <tiglionabbit> blmartin771: you can set the background to mimic your desktop background
[03:55] <Amaranth> diveintopython is a book
[03:55] <mebaran151> Is the python community nicer than the ruby community?
[03:55] <rainingzigzags> can ubuntu be installed on a modded xbox?
[03:55] <tiglionabbit> blmartin771: edit -> current profile -> effects
[03:55] <Amaranth> mebaran151: Well, I've never seen the ruby community.
[03:55] <aio> mebaran151 the python community is great.
[03:55] <Amaranth> mebaran151: They are great until you try to do stupid things.
[03:56] <aru> ok, brb
[03:56] <aio> mebaran151 not sure if i'd say they are better than the ubuntu community, but they're great.
[03:56] <mebaran151> Amaranth, like what sort of stupid thing
[03:56] <mebaran151> like I asked on the channel to volunteer for the Ruby community
[03:56] <scsponger> aio ... any ideas?
[03:56] <mebaran151> to gian experience and such
[03:56] <hanasaki> is there an nvidia package for kernel 2.6.12.2
[03:56] <blmartin771> tiglionabbit: Thanks that is exactly what I wanted
[03:56] <mebaran151> and they all scoffed meanly
[03:56] <tiglionabbit> blmartin771: gewd
[03:56] <mebaran151> I'd like a commnity that isnt too bad about newbs
[03:57] <crimsun> hanasaki: no
[03:57] <tiglionabbit> mebaran151: this one's not so bad =)
[03:57] <aru> ok, wheres the reference for compiling a kernel
[03:57] <aio> scsponger none...you could try rebooting.  that probably won't help you.  you could try removing the hardware configuration from wherever you can and reboot and see if ubuntu reconfgirues it...
[03:57] <hanasaki> crimsun:  bummer.. so is there someway to get it going? or i have to wait?
[03:57] <Amaranth> mebaran151: Like using exec or other potentially insecure things.
[03:57] <Amaranth> mebaran151: or using lambda's
[03:57] <crimsun> aru: why compile a kernel? Just compile the kernel module.
[03:57] <mebaran151> oh
[03:57] <mebaran151> ok
[03:57] <Amaranth> or map() or filter()
[03:57] <mebaran151> oh using exec would be a very silly thing to do
[03:58] <aru> crimsun, again I have no idea what the means
[03:58] <mebaran151> what does map() or filter do in python?
[03:58] <aio> mebaran151 exec() has its places....
[03:58] <mebaran151> yeah
[03:58] <mebaran151> just the places are few are far between
[03:58] <aio> mebaran151 they're quasi functional programming functions
[03:58] <mebaran151> not iterators
[03:58] <Amaranth> If exec is the answer you're asking the wrong question.
[03:58] <Amaranth> (stolen from the PHP saying)
[03:59] <aio> mebaran151 map() calls the specified function on a specified list.
[03:59] <tiglionabbit> mebaran151: I'd guess it does the same thing as in perl, but I'm not quite sure.  In perl it let you write a section of code, and have it run for multiple variables it would substitute in
[03:59] <mebaran151> oh
[03:59] <mebaran151> cool
[03:59] <sproingie> guido wants to get rid of map in favor of list comprehensions.  bugger all...
[03:59] <mebaran151> well not really cool
[03:59] <aio> Amaranth not necessarily.  it can get you into trouble, but if you manage it well it can serve you well.
[03:59] <Amaranth> If eval() is the answer, you're almost certainly asking the wrong question. -- Rasmus Lerdorf, BDFL of PHP
[03:59] <mebaran151> Amaranth, in C#
[03:59] <mebaran151> how is the SQL binding
[03:59] <mebaran151> I need to bind to a PostgreSQL database
[04:00] <tiglionabbit> sort of like a loop, you could say map{ print $_ } "1", "pie", "cheese"; and it would print 1 pie cheese
[04:00] <mebaran151> for it do anything for me
[04:00] <Amaranth> the same as every other language?
[04:00] <mebaran151> oh good
[04:00] <mebaran151> it exists
[04:00] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: That's ugly as hell.
[04:00] <mebaran151> had to compile the ruby one
[04:00] <scsponger> aio... see thats the thing... when I recently put in the new burner... I was under the impression that Ubuntu would have some kindof new hardware wizard. Something of that sort... But nothing ever happened. I installed gnomebaker... believing that maybe the writer was already installed. Gnomebaker acuatlly saw the drive... but I was unable to write to it, same holds true for CD/DVD recoreder. I've mounted the drive manually... Which I can now see, but am s
[04:00] <scsponger> till unable to write to it
[04:00] <tiglionabbit> Amaranth: lol, was just a stupid example
[04:00] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: This is map Python 3 won't have map, filter, or lambda.
[04:00] <tiglionabbit> Amaranth: there are much better uses
[04:00] <Amaranth> err, this is why python 3
[04:00] <sproingie> naw, perl map is pretty ugly no matter how you slice it
[04:00] <sproingie> i use perl every day
[04:00] <qbasic> Anyone know whats going on here? I try to install Ubuntu on my HP Omnibook 4150 (laptop). The install goes well until it asks me to remove the installation CD and reboot. I reboot and it starts to uncompress and install packages, and then it hangs, with the terminal text flying across my monitor, flickering sort of.. =\
[04:01] <rainingzigzags> what other browser alternatives are there to firefox in linux?
[04:01] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: There is no use for that that isn't easier to read expanded into a function or loop.
[04:01] <sproingie> rainingzigzags: i'm partial to konqueror
[04:01] <mebaran151> Amaranth, I had to help finish the one in Ruby
[04:01] <mebaran151> stupid MySQL junkies
[04:01] <crimsun> aru: actually, it's even simpler than that.
[04:01] <crimsun> aru: sudo modprobe r8169
[04:01] <mebaran151> :)
[04:01] <zukalk> rainingzigzags, opera
[04:01] <tiglionabbit> Amaranth: what about map{ handle( $_ ) } @list; ?
[04:01] <mebaran151> eclipse looks rather neet
[04:02] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: I don't even fscking know what that does.
[04:02] <sproingie> Amaranth: there's no program that can't be exploded into S, K, and apply.  doesn't mean you want to write programs in them
[04:02] <tiglionabbit> Amaranth: would execute Handle on every element of the array "list"
[04:02] <tiglionabbit> whatever handle() happens to be
[04:02] <Amaranth> http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=98196
[04:02] <ex-parrot> anyone know how to make MP3 previews from nautilus work in Hoary? I had it working at some point.... istr it may've been under warty...
[04:02] <Amaranth> tiglionabbit: read that
[04:02] <aru> crimsun, I'm off to try it, if my clone comes in then its working :)
[04:02] <tiglionabbit> =P I could be saying that wrong though, and you're right in most cases
[04:02] <ex-parrot> ugh
[04:03] <ex-parrot> ignore me, installed mpg123 and it works now
[04:03] <MrJangles> tiglionabbit: do i need to restart?
[04:03] <MrJangles> or just replace the file
[04:03] <mebaran151> Goddman GTK# look snice
[04:03] <Amaranth> mebaran151: Anything that isn't GTK's C API is nice.
[04:03] <mebaran151> hahah
[04:03] <mebaran151> too true
[04:04] <mebaran151> one of the reason's I dont liek using C
[04:04] <tiglionabbit> MrJangles: no..
[04:04] <scsponger> aio ... you still there?
[04:04] <bob2> pygtk 4 life.
[04:04] <mebaran151> I actually have moved to making most of my apps served by html
[04:04] <MrJangles> then it did not work :(
[04:04] <Amaranth> But the APIs are all pretty much the same for GTK no matter what language you're using.
[04:04] <mebaran151> kind of why I took up Ruby, because Ruby on Rails looked promising
[04:04] <Amaranth> It's just that some languages have real objects and some fake them.
[04:05] <mebaran151> is breezy ready for the monodeveloper
[04:05] <mebaran151> that means I am willing to fix minor problems
[04:05] <mebaran151> and maybe even patcha  thing or too
[04:05] <mebaran151> but I dont want to watch X never start up again
[04:05] <mebaran151> or be forced to shoot my computer with a rifle
[04:05] <blmartin771> How come when I put the backports in my /etc/apt/sources.list it says I have updates and wants to downgrade packages?
[04:05] <ubunturox> can anyone help me out with nfs?  its working but its pretty sllllooooow.
[04:05] <theblue> Hi all.
[04:05] <osuchw> join #twisted
[04:06] <mebaran151> what is the channel for c sharp
[04:06] <mebaran151> ubunturox, uh nfs, why not just use Samba
[04:06] <theblue> I have a sound problem.
[04:06] <tiglionabbit> theblue: don't we all?
[04:06] <crimsun> theblue: what sort?
[04:06] <theblue> Well, I'm running Hoary on an old HP system, with an onboard sonud card.
[04:07] <tiglionabbit> mmhmm
[04:07] <theblue> I know ubuntu detects it, since little alert sounds come through fine.
[04:07] <sproingie> mebaran151: ##csharp
[04:07] <ubunturox> hehehe, i would but i got a dir with about 1800 folders.  it lists all the dirs and when i open a file about half or all of them disappear
[04:07] <theblue> In fact, the sound works perfectly.
[04:07] <sproingie> mebaran151: mind the doubled #
[04:07] <theblue> Except, for the fact that I can't listen to mp3s on it.
[04:07] <crimsun> theblue: what application are you trying to use?
[04:07] <aio> scsponger i'm peeking in from time to time.
[04:07] <tiglionabbit> theblue: that's not a sound problem.  You just need to install gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:07] <theblue> XMMS refuses to play, and none of the other media players can play mp3s.
[04:07] <theblue> Oh!
[04:07] <tiglionabbit> !info gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:07] <ubotu> gstreamer0.8-mad: (MAD MPEG audio decoder plugin for GStreamer), section universe/libs, is optional. Version: 0.8.8-1ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 49 kB, Installed size: 136 kB
[04:07] <ubunturox> i think its an ubuntu thing, it mounts fine and works fine in mandrake
[04:08] <crimsun> theblue: the xmms issue is related to choosing the esound output plugin.
[04:08] <theblue> Oh!
[04:08] <theblue> Is the default the wrong choice, usually?
[04:08] <scsponger> aio ... well i appreciate you're help... i'll find the answer somehow
[04:08] <crimsun> theblue: the default (oss) doesn't cope well with esound having already grabbed /dev/dsp
[04:08] <theblue> Ah.
[04:08] <theblue> So what do I do to change it, or is it straightforward?
[04:09] <crimsun> change the output plugin to esound in Preferences
[04:09] <poningru> ok so continueing the discussion in ubuntu-dev
[04:09] <theblue> Ok.
[04:09] <theblue> Thanks for your help, everyone.
[04:09] <poningru> why cant we double click .deb and have it intsall the software package?
[04:09] <poningru> well prompt for sudo or something similar
[04:09] <poningru> like when we try to open synaptic
[04:10] <bob2> poningru: you can if you like
[04:10] <tiglionabbit> poningru: dunno, guess they didn't add that feature.  You can use a terminal though, or make it do it
[04:10] <bob2> poningru: it's not the default because encouraging people to install random .debs fro mthe internet is bad
[04:10] <poningru> it is?
[04:10] <tiglionabbit> poningru: right-click it and under the "opens with" tab, make an entry for "dpkg --install" that runs in the terminal
[04:10] <tiglionabbit> poningru: yes, ubuntu is special.  It likes its own debs, plz.  Other people's debs can be bad
[04:10] <bob2> "gksudo dpkg --install" or so
[04:11] <holycow> also, all newsb should really really really pay attention to what bob said
[04:11] <holycow> bob2 poningru: it's not the default because encouraging people to install random .debs fro mthe internet is bad  <-- !!!!
[04:11] <holycow> very very very important
[04:12] <holycow> this is how shit gits on microsoft most of the time
[04:12] <crimsun> (language, please)
[04:12] <holycow> if you don't know where its from, don't install it
[04:12] <spermie_411> Can someone tell me what ime doing wrong
[04:12] <bob2> especially after everyone went to the effort of making apt cryptographically secure
[04:12] <spermie_411> spermie@Spermie:~$ sudo cp /home/spermie/Desktop/cedega_4.3.2-1_i386.deb
[04:12] <spermie_411> cp: missing destination file
[04:12] <teferi_> spermie_411: where do you want to copy it to?
[04:12] <bob2> scsponger: you need to tell it where to put it
[04:12] <holycow> again bob2 speaks the truth, absolutely
[04:13] <bob2> scsponger: if you want to put it in the directory you're in, add a "." at the end
[04:13] <spermie_411> teferi home folder
[04:13] <tiglionabbit> spermie_411: then put a ~/ after that as the second parameter
[04:13] <scsponger> bob2.... I've got the drive reading properly... i just don't have it burning
[04:14] <mebaran151> Amaranth, argh
[04:14] <mebaran151> I am going to have to use Breezy
[04:14] <ashok> hi
[04:14] <Amaranth> yeah
[04:14] <mebaran151> does anyone know how production ready Breezy is
[04:14] <ashok> i am unable to play movie files
[04:14] <teferi_> mebaran151: not.
[04:14] <ashok> can anyone help me
[04:14] <mebaran151> I am using AMD64 (red flag up)
[04:14] <mebaran151> teferi_, I am a developer
[04:14] <mebaran151> as a developer
[04:14] <Amaranth> mebaran151: I doubt anything you're working on now will ship before october.
[04:14] <mebaran151> I can deal with bugs
[04:14] <spermie_411> tiglionabbit like this sudo cp ~/spermie/Desktop/cedega_4.3.2-1_i386.deb
[04:15] <mebaran151> Amaranth, I need to get this out in 2 weeks
[04:15] <teferi_> spermie_411: you need to specify a second parameter
[04:15] <mebaran151> my boss is a mad insane suit man
[04:15] <Amaranth> mebaran151: You're doomed.
[04:15] <virgule> !autopackage
[04:15] <ubotu> virgule: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[04:15] <virgule> !info autopackage
[04:15] <mebaran151> who doesnt understand things take time
[04:15] <Amaranth> mebaran151: It'll take two weeks to get a firm grasp of the C# language.
[04:15] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:15] <bob2> scsponger: no, like ' cp ~/spermie/Desktop/cedega_4.3.2-1_i386.deb ~/'
[04:15] <mebaran151> I know
[04:15] <Amaranth> virgule: ubuntu doesn't package autopackage, they don't like it
[04:15] <mebaran151> but he is a crazy man
[04:16] <mebaran151> luckily he also very old and extremely forgetful
[04:16] <virgule> Amaranth: funny you mention it I here just to get some feedback on this thing ;)
[04:16] <bob2> please don't spread fud
[04:16] <Amaranth> virgule: but autopackage installs itself when you run a package
[04:16] <teferi_> autopkg is pretty awful, iirc
[04:16] <Amaranth> bob2: They don't like it.
[04:16] <crimsun> I think it's more that no one has stepped up to the plate to do the revu legwork
[04:16] <Amaranth> bob2: Want me to find the ubuntu-devel thread?
[04:16] <mebaran151> Amaranth, have you ever tried Ruby though?
[04:16] <bob2> Amaranth: by "they", you mean you got an official reply from jesus?
[04:16] <virgule> besides peoples opinions, what is so wrong with it?
[04:16] <LincTeK> hey what is a good digital photo editor for Ubuntu ??
[04:16] <mebaran151> for a really long time
[04:16] <teferi_> mebaran151: are you having trouble with ruby?
[04:16] <Amaranth> mebaran151: nope, took one look at the syntax and ran
[04:16] <bob2> Amaranth: or do you mean "many ubuntu developers think it's a bad idea"?
[04:16] <mebaran151> eh, no
[04:17] <Amaranth> bob2: that second one
[04:17] <mebaran151> I am having trouble with its bastardly community
[04:17] <bob2> LincTeK: gimp is quite good
[04:17] <teferi_> I like the language a lot
[04:17] <mebaran151> that refuses to document anything
[04:17] <teferi_> yes, that is a problem
[04:17] <mebaran151> teferi_, yep
[04:17] <mebaran151> it is very cool
[04:17] <teferi_> i agree wholeheartedly
[04:17] <scsponger> bob2... I'm sorry ... I don't quite understand... what do you want me to edit the /etc/fstab?
[04:17] <mebaran151> I think it si a very natural languages
[04:17] <mebaran151> the only one I could ever grasp metaprogramming in
[04:17] <spermie_411> permie@Spermie:~$ cp ~/spermie/Desktop/cedega_4.3.2-1_i386.deb ~/
[04:17] <spermie_411> cp: cannot stat `/home/spermie/spermie/Desktop/cedega_4.3.2-1_i386.deb': No such     file or directory
[04:17] <bob2> scsponger: nevermind
[04:17] <spermie_411> i wanna Cry
[04:17] <mebaran151> my entire database app I just wrote
[04:17] <mebaran151> is written in ruby and could be said to write itself
[04:17] <bob2> spermie_411: that just means you got the filename wrong
[04:17] <LincTeK> I heard of one it began with an f but cant remember the name
[04:18] <bob2> LincTeK: f-spot is not really an editor
[04:18] <Frank_dot> spermie_411: case sensitive
[04:18] <crimsun> mebaran151: have you read this? http://www.rubycentral.com/book/
[04:18] <mebaran151> teferi_, but the community is G-d awful dont you think?
[04:18] <qbasic> Anyone know whats going on here? I try to install Ubuntu on my HP Omnibook 4150 (laptop). The install goes well until it asks me to remove the installation CD and reboot. I reboot and it starts to uncompress and install packages, and then it hangs, with the terminal text flying across my monitor, flickering sort of.. =\
[04:18] <teferi_> mebaran151: it can be a bit trying
[04:18] <mebaran151> I think I ahve
[04:18] <teferi_> alas
[04:18] <sizzam> anyone familiar with deborphan?
[04:18] <crimsun> mebaran151: I _highly_ recommend the 2nd edition
[04:18] <LincTeK> ah yes f-spot ...thats it thanks bob2
[04:18] <mebaran151> crimsun, yeah I have
[04:18] <bob2> sizzam: best to just ask your question about it
[04:18] <sizzam> k
[04:18] <mebaran151> it is just like the postgresql library
[04:19] <mebaran151> had 0 documentation
[04:19] <seth_k> bleh, I cannot win. a Warty LiveCD can't see this network card, and a Hoary LiveCD isn't mounting the Windows partition so I can copy files off of it
[04:19] <mebaran151> and getting anyone in community to tell me anything
[04:19] <mebaran151> illicited only snide remarks
[04:19] <teferi_> mebaran151: eh, the ruby DB layer is pretty much the same as Perl's
[04:19] <mebaran151> not if you want to use the postgres lib directly
[04:19] <mebaran151> it does some weird stuff
[04:19] <crimsun> mebaran151: are you serious? That book is a walking reference.
[04:19] <mebaran151> crimsun, the book is great
[04:19] <sizzam> after i do 'deborphan --find-config',  whats the best way to kill the resulting configs
[04:19] <mebaran151> I have read it
[04:19] <mebaran151> I bought it
[04:19] <mebaran151> it is in the drawer next to me
[04:19] <TokenBad> ok folks..in ubuntu how can I see or access my cable modem?
[04:19] <teferi_> the pickaxe2 is lovely
[04:19] <TokenBad> tried the defualt addresses
[04:20] <teferi_> i will definitely admit that
[04:20] <mebaran151> but for esoteric libraries
[04:20] <TokenBad> and can't connect
[04:20] <mebaran151> no one documents anything
[04:20] <teferi_> rails is finally getting some decent docs, thank god
[04:20] <mebaran151> and ruby on rails looks very cool
[04:20] <mebaran151> I hope it does
[04:20] <teferi_> but i really've been itching to play with Borges, and it's completely undocumented
[04:20] <hanasaki> where can i find the codecs for playing dvd and mpeg1,2,3,4?
[04:20] <teferi_> way to fucking go
[04:20] <bob2> TokenBad: presumably it either runs it's own dhcp server, or just proxies your providers
[04:20] <mebaran151> teferi_, yeah they write so much cool stuff
[04:20] <teferi_> continuation-based web frameworks are the FUTURE.
[04:20] <teferi_> and yet there's no damn DOCS
[04:20] <bob2> hanasaki: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:20] <mebaran151> that no one can use because if you ask a question, they hurt you
[04:21] <Coil101> I've got the noobest problem in the world.
[04:21] <qbasic> I guess there is something wrong with my question?
[04:21] <TokenBad> bob2 in windows I used to be able to go to default ip and get to the admin page
[04:21] <TokenBad> but now can't
[04:21] <mebaran151> teferi_, it woudl be better if I could go on IRC
[04:21] <mebaran151> and just ask
[04:21] <TokenBad> and when  i ping a site it says 100% loss on the packets
[04:21] <hanasaki> bob.. how do you get those links so fast?
[04:21] <teferi_> mebaran151: it would help if more of the community spoke english :P
[04:21] <bob2> TokenBad: presumably it's just because you haven't setup networking at all
[04:21] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:21] <mebaran151> that is true
[04:21] <bob2> hanasaki: they're linked from the faq
[04:21] <TokenBad> well am on inet
[04:21] <mebaran151> I bet the japanese channel is nicer
[04:21] <blmartin771> what is as good as k3b for gnome
[04:21] <TokenBad> thought it set it up itself since was online
[04:21] <Coil101> I can't see all of a window, and I can't scroll up or down. Help please?
[04:21] <hanasaki> oh sorry
[04:22] <bob2> qbasic: or you could apply occam's razor and assume it's just that no one knows the answer
[04:22] <mebaran151> the whole channel prides itself on the fact they are silly and full of themselves
[04:22] <teferi_> mebaran151: if you want hilarity, take a look at the ruby-gnome2-devel-en list
[04:22] <teferi_> it's mostly bad english
[04:22] <mebaran151> haha
[04:22] <MrJangles> ha, i changed the root terminal to use a bg image, and now that wont open either
[04:22] <teferi_> because people didn't notice the japanese list
[04:22] <MrJangles> interesting glitch
[04:22] <mebaran151> that is funny almost
[04:22] <teferi_> very confusing
[04:22] <mebaran151> I remember when I started out
[04:22] <mebaran151> I asked a simple question
[04:22] <bob2> qbasic: I'd just use hoary and manually mount the partitions, personally
[04:22] <teferi_> i don't know why i'm still on it
[04:22] <mebaran151> awhile back
[04:22] <mebaran151> it was
[04:22] <mebaran151> I have an array
[04:22] <bimberi> blmartin771: gnomebaker is ok - prolly not as good as k3b tho
[04:22] <mebaran151> I want to make a hash of it
[04:22] <mebaran151> based on the similarity of the third element
[04:23] <teferi_> so you have an array of arrays?
[04:23] <mebaran151> well yeah
[04:23] <blmartin771> is k3b the best
[04:23] <mebaran151> I do
[04:23] <mebaran151> finally one guy showed me the trick
[04:23] <mebaran151> ||=
[04:23] <poningru> blmartin771: yeah
[04:23] <mebaran151> but it was one of the most terrible experiences
[04:23] <sizzam> nm, found my answer --- dpkg --purge <package>  to remove configs found deborphan --find -config
[04:23] <mebaran151> blmartin771, eh, I wouldnt say that
[04:24] <mebaran151> nautilus is ok now
[04:24] <teferi_> h={};arr.each do |a| h[a[2] ]  = a end
[04:24] <mebaran151> for data
[04:24] <mebaran151> and grave man
[04:24] <teferi_> that'd do it, wouldn't it?
[04:24] <mebaran151> no
[04:24] <qbasic> bob2: how can I do anything if the system hangs and I cant get a shell?
[04:24] <mebaran151> but the problem is
[04:24] <TokenBad> bob2 how setup the network stuff
[04:24] <mebaran151> I want all the ones that share the same key
[04:24] <mebaran151> to be under the same hash
[04:24] <bob2> qbasic: bah, sorry, wrong person
[04:24] <teferi_> that'll happen automatically
[04:24] <teferi_> that's how a hash works
[04:24] <mebaran151> heheh
[04:24] <blmartin771> how do I switch gtk1 themes?
[04:24] <mebaran151> here is the code that came out
[04:24] <qbasic> bob2: heh, no problem. =)
[04:24] <bob2> TokenBad: it should have done it during the install, unless you did it while it was unplugged
[04:25] <mebaran151> @division.result.each{|i| (@league_hash[i[9] ]  ||= [] ) << i}
[04:25] <MrJangles> are there other terminals that you can get using apt-get?
[04:25] <mebaran151> sort by ninith array
[04:25] <mebaran151> weird
[04:25] <mebaran151> I am going to try it your way
[04:25] <mebaran151> do I have to reindex the hash?
[04:25] <teferi_> nope
[04:25] <mebaran151> because the code they gave me
[04:25] <teferi_> don't you know how a hash table works, man?
[04:26] <bob2> MrJangles: there's lots, but there's little reason to use any outside gnome-terminal (for gnome-ness), xterm (For compatibility) or pterm (kickass-ness)
[04:26] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:26] <LincTeK> TokenBad :is your cable modem plugged into your NIC or usb port on your computer ?
[04:26] <mebaran151> but I thought Ruby wouldnt let you over do itself
[04:26] <bob2> this seems a bit non-ubuntu-support, folks, how about #ubuntu-offtopic?
[04:26] <mebaran151> liek I though internally it tried to keep you away from it
[04:26] <teferi_> mebaran151: ...I think we may be talking at cross purposes here
[04:26] <mebaran151> eh sorry Bob2
[04:26] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:26] <TokenBad> yes
[04:26] <TokenBad> and am online
[04:27] <TokenBad> but can't get to the cable modems admin page
[04:27] <MrJangles> pterm eh
[04:27] <teferi_> Okay. You want h[key]  to be an array of arrays, with each element of that being an element of the original array that had the key as the third element?
[04:27] <LincTeK> ah i see my bad
[04:27] <bob2> TokenBad: it sounds very much like you are not
[04:27] <teferi_> Right?
[04:27] <TokenBad> I am talking to you right
[04:27] <TokenBad> and its on this computer
[04:30] <TokenBad> so know am online..
[04:30] <aru> ok, no luck with the ndis wrapper or modprobe r8169 but I do get this error message, pnp: PnPACPI: METHOD_NAME_CRS failure for PNP0c04, does that have anything to do with it?
[04:30] <LincTeK> TokenBad : have you visited the cable modems website and looked at the faq's there or the knowledge base
[04:31] <thechitowncubs> hey everyone, im trying to repair my sis's computer, it freezes at the gdm, the activity cursor never stops spinning
[04:31] <thechitowncubs> i'm in the recovery mode root console, any advice on what to check?
[04:31] <LincTeK> ck ownership of /home directory
[04:31] <qbasic> will ndis work for my Linksys Wireless-G PCI Adapter, WMP54GS ?
[04:32] <cafuego> qbasic: That's a definite "maybe".
[04:32] <theblue> qbasic: You have one of the best names I've seen.
[04:32] <cafuego> qbasic: It loads (but doesn't work) on my WPC54G (the pcmcia one)
[04:33] <aru> or actually tell me what a PnPACPI error is
[04:34] <TokenBad> yes
[04:35] <LincTeK> TokenBad: are you using firefox to access the cable modems admin page?
[04:36] <aru> it has to mean something
[04:38] <thechitowncubs> does anyone know how i can hide my hidden files/folders in gftp?
[04:40] <Razor-X> wow, no-one's talking
[04:40] <Razor-X> probably netsplits *shrugs*
[04:41] <thechitowncubs> i got it :)
[04:41] <mebaran151> crimsun,  you code alot in Ruby?
[04:41] <poningru> is there an offtopic ubuntu channel?
[04:42] <poningru> where the community talk random crap
[04:42] <aru> does this window that pops up when I put a cdr in actually burn isos?
[04:42] <bob2> #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:42] <poningru> wow tiny
[04:42] <bob2> yeah
[04:42] <aru> hmm
[04:43] <rg58sma> hii
[04:43] <rg58sma> some can helpme??
[04:43] <Razor-X> hah, I just figured out the uselessness of KSnapshot ;)
[04:43] <rg58sma> i need help with a file avi
[04:43] <Razor-X> well, useful in a pinch, but meh
[04:43] <Razor-X> rg58sma: you can't play it?
[04:43] <jasoncohen> aru, to burn an iso right click and a file and select "burn to disc"
[04:44] <rg58sma> yes but the sound run over the image
[04:45] <Razor-X> rg58sma: are you sure it isn't a problem with the AVI itself?
[04:45] <aru> alrighty
[04:45] <rg58sma> yes the problem is with the avi
[04:45] <rg58sma> have a program to edit sound and image
[04:45] <Razor-X> rg58sma: well, then you have to reencode the AVI specifying a new audio offset
[04:45] <aru> if someone could mention what PnPACPI is I would be greatful :)
[04:45] <Razor-X> I hear transcode is nice
[04:46] <Razor-X> aru: Plug n Play ACPI? (i'm guessing)
[04:46] <aru> I dont know what the ACPI part means
[04:46] <ubunturox> its for power management
[04:46] <Razor-X> it's a laptop power management thing, IIRC
[04:46] <blmartin771> Where are the gnome login screens stuff stored at
[04:46] <rg58sma> yes with what program??
[04:46] <aru> so that could be why my pcmcia card isnt working?
[04:47] <bob2> it;s not just for power management
[04:47] <bob2> acpi is used to route irq and such, too
[04:47] <bob2> (aiui)
[04:47] <ubunturox> blmartin771:  check www.gnome-look.org you can change em thru system->prefs->login screen setup
[04:48] <aru> it tells me PCI cannot allocate resource region 0 of device 0000:00:0a.0
[04:48] <aru> does that have to do with my pcmcia slot?
[04:48] <blmartin771> I know but I want to edit one of the pictures
[04:48] <ubunturox> ah
[04:48] <blmartin771> just don't know where to find it
[04:48] <Razor-X> rg58sma: transcode
[04:48] <rg58sma> ok
[04:48] <rg58sma> thanks
[04:48] <airmikey> i need to knwo how much memory is on this system
[04:49] <blmartin771> ubunturox: do you know where I could look
[04:49] <Razor-X> airmikey: harddrive?
[04:49] <rg58sma> have a grafical file
[04:49] <LincTeK> cd /proc
[04:49] <rg58sma> ???
[04:49] <aru> so I must have a hardware issue
[04:49] <rg58sma> a yes gtranscode
[04:49] <airmikey> ram
[04:50] <blmartin771> Aru: what kind of wireless card
[04:50] <mebaran151> does X work in Breezy yet?
[04:50] <LincTeK> change directory to /proc then type " cat meminfo"
[04:50] <aru> its not wireless, its a netgear ga511, apparently it works as realtek8169, but when I do modprobe r8169, nothing
[04:51] <blmartin771> are you using ndiswrapper
[04:51] <aru> I'm just trying to figure out if that PnPACPI thing is the reason, and trying to configure the card is a waste of time
[04:51] <LincTeK> to see how much system memory you have
[04:51] <aru> I installed it
[04:52] <robitaille> mebaran151:  yes.  I'm typing this from Breezy
[04:52] <aru> is there more to it than that?
[04:52] <aatim> how can i create an innodb table in mysql?
[04:52] <teferi_> aru: it's a pcmcia card?
[04:52] <aatim> i try creating one then i set the type to innodb
[04:52] <teferi_> mebaran151: X works in breezy
[04:52] <aru> yes
[04:52] <teferi_> mebaran151: Why do you need to run breezy?
[04:53] <mebaran151> Mono
[04:53] <aatim> but it still shows that its a myisam
[04:53] <LincTeK> how different is breezy from Hoary ??
[04:53] <teferi_> aru: last time i used a pcmcia nic, the only way to get it to work was to let cardmgr handle module loading...
[04:53] <airmikey> how much ram is ..906660 kb
[04:53] <teferi_> mebaran151: there's no backport?
[04:53] <aru> teferi_, how do I do that?
[04:53] <mebaran151> not for AMD64
[04:53] <teferi_> aru: fucked if i remember, it was ages ago
[04:53] <mebaran151> I love 64 bits for encoding
[04:53] <teferi_> sorry :/
[04:53] <GigaClon> how do i list all files in a folder and subfolders there of
[04:53] <aru> wonderful
[04:53] <mebaran151> also for compiling too
[04:53] <mebaran151> unfortunately nothing backports to it
[04:53] <teferi_> hmm
[04:53] <teferi_> well, whatever it is, ubuntu does it by default :P
[04:54] <mebaran151> I have compiled many many things from source
[04:54] <teferi_> I just stuck a random card lying around in
[04:54] <teferi_> and it detected it as eth1
[04:54] <teferi_> (admittedly, it's a tulip card. well-supported)
[04:54] <aedwards__> i just installed ubuntu and it never asked me for a root password so i can't seem to use apt-get
[04:54] <teferi_> aedwards__: you use sudo
[04:54] <LincTeK> arimikey : 885 mb
[04:54] <airmikey> 1 gig of ram  is = to how many kb
[04:54] <teferi_> airmikey: 1024*1024
[04:55] <aedwards__> how do i use sudo
[04:55] <GigaClon> sudo
[04:55] <teferi_> aedwards__: sudo <command>
[04:55] <teferi_> to get a root shell, sudo -i
[04:55] <aedwards__> oh ok
[04:55] <teferi_> type your password
[04:55] <vidz> or sudo -s
[04:55] <aru> I guess I'll shoot the damn thing
[04:55] <mebaran151> I would switch in a minute
[04:55] <mebaran151> if I could get some AMD64'er to come out of the closest and go
[04:55] <robitaille> aedwards__: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:55] <teferi_> aru: if it's any consolation, the 8139 is a pretty piss-poor chip :P
[04:55] <mebaran151> yeah Ubuntu neato
[04:56] <aru> I'm not sure what that is
[04:56] <airmikey> 906660 kb = how many gigs of ram
[04:56] <teferi_> airmikey: divide by 1024 twice
[04:56] <LincTeK> 885 mb of ram
[04:56] <teferi_> 1 GB = 1024 MB = 1024*1024 KB = 1024*1024*1024 B
[04:56] <teferi_> see a pattern? :)
[04:57] <aru> wise mule
[04:57] <airmikey> kb
[04:57] <airmikey> not mb
[04:58] <mebaran151> by the way teferi_ your idea didnt quite work as it should
[04:58] <mebaran151> hashes in Ruby arent so imple
[04:58] <mebaran151> I gather
[04:58] <teferi_> mebaran151: yes they are, i just misunderstand the problem
[04:58] <mebaran151> no
[04:58] <teferi_> a hash is a really simple data structure#!%
[04:58] <mebaran151> even your correct version
[04:58] <blmartin771> how do I change the splash screen in gnome
[04:59] <teferi_> mebaran151: if that didn't work, arr.each do |a| h[a[2] ]  = Array.new end before the other code
[04:59] <teferi_> that'll do some things twice, but it's okay, GC will pick up the slack
[04:59] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:59] <mebaran151> ok
[05:00] <mebaran151> trying it now
[05:00] <teferi_> assuming the error you got was something along the lines of can't push things onto nil
[05:00] <mebaran151> I think so
[05:00] <hondje> blmartin771: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-11478.html
[05:00] <mebaran151> that is why it has to return an empty array if the key didnt exist before
[05:00] <mebaran151> ||= allows me to skip that step
[05:00] <teferi_> I don't know what ||= does in this context
[05:01] <mebaran151> set a to be unless a exists
[05:01] <mebaran151> oh
[05:01] <teferi_> well, then
[05:01] <mebaran151> set a to b unless a exists I mean
[05:01] <GigaClon> how to I search my computer for a file?
[05:01] <mebaran151> heheh
[05:02] <hondje> GigaClon: Places -> Search for Files in gnome
[05:02] <LincTeK> locate command
[05:02] <teferi_> mebaran151: but we were still able to cobble together a not awful way of doing it with just a little thought
[05:02] <teferi_> because ruby is nice :)
[05:02] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:02] <mebaran151> tha tis true
[05:02] <mebaran151> I still pine for a nicer community
[05:02] <LincTeK> locate "filename" without quotations
[05:02] <teferi_> these things come with time and acceptance
[05:02] <teferi_> patience
[05:02] <teferi_> and in the meantime, ri and read the code, i guess
[05:02] <LincTeK> first run "updatedb" command
[05:03] <misfit_toy> http://www.apple.com/trailers/warner_independent_pictures/marchofthepenguins.html
[05:03] <mebaran151> LincTeK, but what if you just want to find a file that could be your search term
[05:03] <mebaran151> teferi_, now it does make sense
[05:03] <Subversivos_-> brasnet.org
[05:04] <mebaran151> it opens an empty array to which to push if there was only nil in its place
[05:04] <teferi_> mebaran151: the most important thing you can do to learn ruby better is to pla with it in ri
[05:04] <teferi_> er
[05:04] <teferi_> irb
[05:04] <mebaran151> heheh, I do
[05:04] <mebaran151> I had it similar to your way
[05:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone here into astronomy?
[05:05] <mebaran151> I still might take up Python though
[05:05] <mebaran151> it looks ok
[05:05] <hondje> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I am
[05:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i know it seems like a dumb question but i need a program to control my telescope like i could in windows
[05:05] <mebaran151> not quite as nice as ruby, and I dont like my style forced upon me  (I am insidious for my love of one liners)
[05:05] <mebaran151> infamous
[05:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hondje there's an ocultation of jupiter with the moon either tonight or tomorrow night
[05:06] <teferi_> mebaran151: yeah, one of the things that annoys me about python is that because of the whole whitespace thing, it's very hard to experiment with in the interactive interpreter
[05:06] <hondje> hehe
[05:06] <hondje> I was just outside looking at it
[05:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i was looking for an app like i had with windows that can track and aim the telescope
[05:06] <mebaran151> teferi_, yep
[05:06] <hondje> only things you can see yet are jupiter, venus and the moon :)
[05:06] <teferi_> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you may find yourself disappointed :/
[05:06] <theblue> Foamy!
[05:06] <theblue> Yay!
[05:07] <hondje> No way
[05:07] <hondje> kstars supports GOTO scopes
[05:07] <artic_fox> whoa cool new nick
[05:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> theblue hey whats up ^_^
[05:07] <artic_fox> never knew I could do that without Nickserv complaining
[05:07] <hondje> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what brand is your scope?
[05:07] <artic_fox> nice ...
[05:08] <artic_fox> teferi_, where can I get the New Rail's docs
[05:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hondje bushnell 700mm reflector
[05:08] <teferi_> artic_fox: they're all on the rails website
[05:08] <teferi_> which seems rather fancier than i remember it
[05:08] <artic_fox> cool
[05:08] <teferi_> ruby-on-rails.org, iirc?
[05:08] <dylan_> joe?
[05:08] <artic_fox> yep
[05:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hondje you can see jupiter and 5 of it's moons with an sr4 lens
[05:09] <LincTeK> mebaran151 :  use the man pages for "grep" command  print lines matching a pattern
[05:09] <hondje> Really? I'll have to do that
[05:09] <hondje> I'm spoiled though, our school has an observatory and only 7 of us are physics majors :)
[05:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hondje i orderd a camera mount for it but i have to get an equatoral mount too to use it....need the counter wheight
[05:10] <hondje> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I don't know that brand though, But I'd try kstars, it has a good chance fo working
[05:10] <artic_fox> teferi_, this is NICE
[05:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hondje nice i am gonna join the asronomy club
[05:10] <artic_fox> good L-rd, I never seen so much proper conjuagation!
[05:10] <teferi_> artic_fox: glad to help :) happy hacking
[05:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hondje you don't know bushnell ??? O_O
[05:10] <hondje> Not enough to know if it'd work
[05:10] <GigaClon> how do I delete things from the trash using sudo?
[05:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hondje there like one of the best telescopes on the market
[05:11] <hondje> yeah, which is why I don't have one :) I have a meade
[05:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hondje meade is nice too that will be my next purchace for a scope
[05:11] <hondje> I know the brand, but I've never used one
[05:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> theres a 900mm reflecter at wallmart that i've been eyeing
[05:11] <hondje> 900mm at walmart? How much?
[05:12] <hondje> I tend to only buy toys that I know will work with linux, so I've been leary of getting a brand other than meade
[05:12] <LincTeK> GigaClon : sudo rm -fr $HOME/.Trash/
[05:12] <ridejib> GigaClon: sudo rm -rf .Trash-username
[05:12] <airmikey> ok lets try this  ok guys i got 3 gigs of ram in this system i only see 885.4 mb   in system monitor
[05:12] <ridejib> or what Linc said
[05:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh i see
[05:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i might get a dobson too
[05:13] <LincTeK> arimikey  : does your MB support 3 gig of ram ??
[05:13] <airmikey> yes
[05:13] <spermie_411> have any of you seen polly shore is dead?
[05:14] <airmikey> asus
[05:14] <airmikey> hehe
[05:14] <ridejib> airmikey: i got the same problem, but i only have 1 GB of RAM
[05:14] <airmikey> hmm
[05:14] <ridejib> asus k8v se deluxe?
[05:15] <REds> urm uz need
[05:15] <REds> a kernel option BIG_MEM
[05:15] <airmikey> i was lookin in google someone mentioned installing   linux-686
[05:15] <REds> its in the first few menu's for 2.6.x
[05:15] <REds> thats it and it enabled upto 4gb i think
[05:15] <REds> and for 1gb and over
[05:15] <hondje> ChurcH_of_FoamY: for when you're bored, try celestia
[05:15] <hondje> that's a fun program :)
[05:15] <REds> u need that option or ull only see 896megs or somethn
[05:15] <airmikey> linux 386 kernel only supports 900 mb
[05:15] <bob2> REds: the ubuntu -686 kernels include that option already
[05:16] <edamron> I'm trying to setup a SSH server.  I can connect from within my home network but no one can connect from the outside.  I have port 22 forwarded to my server so that's not the problem.
[05:16] <REds> ahh ok
[05:16] <monkeyy> when starting up my ubuntu 5.04 always synchronises the time with ntp.ubuntulinux.org since the laptop is a stand alone computer it delays the boot process as finally i get the error that there is an error in name resolution and the boot process continues after that how can i stop this ????
[05:16] <ridejib> so REds: how do we obtain this 2.6.x?
[05:16] <REds> linux kernel 2.6.x
[05:16] <REds> u have that with ubuntu
[05:16] <REds> but kernel.org
[05:16] <cafuego> Mem:       3116968
[05:16] <cafuego> eh-heh
[05:16] <bob2> edamron: if you can't connect from outside, but can inside, then the problem is with your firewall
[05:17] <Quidam> hi anybody knows about borland kilix?
[05:17] <bob2> monkeyy: sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S*ntpd*
[05:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hondje http://www.tscopes.com/Type3/T3-16Specs.html <---= i want ^_^
[05:17] <cafuego> Quidam: kylix, google does (and borland do)
[05:17] <bob2> ridejib: just install linux-686
[05:17] <monkeyy> thanks bob let me try that out
[05:17] <edamron> bob2, but it's not.  I was running Mandrake and it worked. It stopped when I switched.
[05:17] <bob2> edamron: this is on the ip you'r irc'ing from?
[05:17] <Quidam> but i need to know is kilix open source
[05:17] <_0kills> hey guys, i want to install Windows 2000 but i cant partition my hdd, so im gonna get an extra hdd for Windows 2000.  anyone know how i can switch between the two hdd when i boot?
[05:17] <hondje> wow, that's cheap
[05:17] <bob2> Quidam: no
[05:18] <hondje> a 16" meade runs in the $15k range
[05:18] <Quidam> ok thanks bob2
[05:18] <ridejib> bob2: thanks
[05:18] <bob2> edamron: and it indeed works
[05:18] <edamron> bob2, no My server has a fixed IP 192.168.1.5 and I forward port 22 from my router switch.
[05:18] <monkeyy> bob2 how is a newbie like me supposed to know that command is there any where where the commands are listed ?
[05:18] <bob2> monkeyy: no
[05:18] <hondje> I wonder if ubuntu would detect my scope if I plugged it in...automagical mounting has worked scary-well so far
[05:18] <REds> anyone know how to make custom keyboard shortcuts, to open and app or exec somethn
[05:18] <bob2> edamron: 192.168.1.5 is not your external ip
[05:19] <bob2> edamron: if you're irc'ing from behind the same firewall as you're trying to configure, ssh is working fine; I can connect to your ssh daemon quite happily
[05:19] <cafuego> _0kills: Install Widnows first, then Linux. if you do it in that order, linux will detect windows and add it to the boot menu.
[05:19] <REds> _0kills, if u install windows then ubuntu, grub it makes u a boot menu, were u can select ur OS too boot
[05:19] <airmikey> REds ;  i didnt relize u were talkin about my prob with the ram
[05:19] <REds> yes
[05:19] <edamron> bob2, no, my linksys router is connected to my cable modem.  I can find my IP if you want it.
[05:19] <airmikey> shoot
[05:19] <airmikey> umm
[05:19] <cafuego> _0kills: if you add windows to an exisitjn g Linux box, you'll need to do it by hand... and windows WILL destroy the Linux boot record.
[05:19] <bob2> edamron: ok...
[05:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hondje automajical?
[05:19] <TokenBad> LincTeK, yes..using firefox/mozilla
[05:19] <cafuego> _0kills: So you'll need a linux boot disk handy.
[05:19] <REds> its simple just a kernel option, bob2 says its enabled for  "the ubuntu -686 kernels include that option already" though
[05:20] <hondje> ChurcH_of_FoamY: yeah, I've been plugging in everything I have w/ a USB port, and it detects them all
[05:20] <REds> if u have that one airmikey
[05:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hondje damn your lucky
[05:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> did you see that scope me wants me wants ^_^
[05:20] <airmikey> ok so  do i need to type somethin in the terminal
[05:20] <pinkpink> Um... a question.
[05:20] <_0kills> cafuego, REds, i have a lot of files i cant backup because they range up to 800mb, so i have to keep my existing Linux install.
[05:20] <hondje> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I've kicked out windows like 5 years ago, so they're all compatable already...but until ubuntu I had to jump through hoops to get tem working
[05:21] <edamron> bob2, I gave you some bad info.  I do have it forwarded to this computer right now.  My IP is 67.168.4.197
[05:21] <pinkpink> I just wonder how could one change his GTK1 theme?
[05:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hondje wow nice
[05:21] <hondje> yeah, I did it before I got many gizmos
[05:21] <cafuego> _0kills: *nod* Windows will want to be on the primary master and you'll need a rescue CD to fix your linux boot record and fstab after installing windows.
[05:21] <ridejib> _0kills: why can't you back them up?
[05:21] <hondje> So no real cost other than what I was going to spend
[05:21] <bob2> pinkpink: install the gtk-theme-switch package, run the "switch" command
[05:21] <bob2> edamron: which also works fine
[05:21] <aceidia> can anyone help me update the drivers i have for my video card?
[05:21] <pinkpink> Thanks, bob2.
[05:21] <bob2> edamron: you're running openssh version 3.9p1
[05:22] <bob2> aceidia: pest to lay out your whole problem
[05:22] <bob2> er, best
[05:22] <aceidia> ?
[05:22] <REds> airmikey, nah u could either insmod (insert module) into ur running kernel, or recompile it with the bigmem option , or use -686 kernel like bob said
[05:22] <edamron> bob2, Am I?  I don't know.  Whatever installed with Ubuntu 5.04
[05:22] <bob2> highmem is not a module
[05:22] <bob2> edamron: anyway, ssh is working fine for you, I can ssh to your (presumably) internal machine
[05:22] <LincTeK> airimkey :sudo apt-get install linux-686 ??
[05:23] <bob2> LincTeK: if you have a 686 cpu, yes
[05:23] <ridejib> REds: are there any downsides to using the 686 kernel?
[05:23] <airmikey> ok
[05:23] <_0kills> cafuego, so if i set my Linux hdd for primary slave and the Windows 2000 hdd as primary master, will that work? if so, do i use BIOS setup to choose which hdd to boot from first?
[05:23] <cafuego> ridejib: Yes, a P5 (586) doens't like it much.
[05:23] <edamron> bob2 really?  A friend of mind can't... Maybe it's on his end.
[05:23] <bob2> edamron: I'd say so
[05:23] <hondje> ChurcH_of_FoamY: freenode has a space channel, and an astronomy one (but the guy who runs that is a troll)
[05:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hondje ouch >.<
[05:24] <_0kills> ridejib, i dont have any thing i can use to temporarily hold files of that size
[05:24] <hondje> the space channel is pretty good though
[05:24] <cafuego> _0kills: That will work. After you install widnows, you'll need to tweak the linux install and bootloader, so you can choose windows/linux in the LILO or GRUB menu.
[05:24] <edamron> bob2, I just discovered Ubuntu a few days ago.  It's REALLY stable.
[05:24] <ridejib> cafuego: what about an amd 3000?
[05:24] <spermie_411> is 86 dollars bad for 2 sticks of 4200 ddr ram?
[05:24] <bob2> it is quite nice
[05:24] <cafuego> ridejib: -k7 kernel
[05:24] <bob2> spermie_411: froogle.google.com
[05:24] <REds> ridejib, nah its probably better than the 386 for newer hardware post like 1997
[05:24] <_0kills> cafuego, cool thanks man.. is there a wiki on how to do that?
[05:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hondje i just typed in #astronomy and there was one where you typeing a diffrent channel?
[05:24] <cafuego> _0kills: No idea :-)
[05:25] <edamron> bob2, Thanks Bob.  I'll get ahold of my friend and have him try again.
[05:25] <hondje> ChurcH_of_FoamY: What do you mean?
[05:25] <ridejib> cafeugo/REds: thanks
[05:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> go to #astronomy
[05:25] <cafuego> ridejib: Unless it's an amd64, in which case you'll and a -k8 kernel.
[05:25] <cafuego> s/and/want/
[05:25] <aceidia> can any one help me with my vid card?
[05:25] <_0kills> aceidia, what kind of vid card?
[05:25] <ridejib> cafuego: ah, yes it is. thanks again
[05:26] <aceidia>  matrox geforce 440 it picking it up as a pci card but it's agp...
[05:26] <cafuego> ridejib: That should see you with a nice speed increase too.
[05:26] <cafuego> aceidia: nvidia, you mean?
[05:26] <aceidia> yup
[05:27] <cafuego> matrox don't make geforce cards
[05:27] <ridejib> cafuego: also, while i have your attention.. will this have the same effect as installing with the 64-bit disc? I hear it has issues running things like flash and a few others
[05:27] <aceidia> it's an old card.. lmao
[05:27] <cafuego> ridejib: No, it will be a 32bit kernel optimised for Athlon64 (in 32 bit mode)
[05:27] <bob2> if you care about binary junk, you'll be happier with i386
[05:27] <cafuego> ridejib: it will *not* be a 64bit kernel.
[05:27] <aceidia> thats who i remember making it..
[05:28] <ridejib> cafuego: excellent. thanks a bunch. I'm going to load that on my desktop now
[05:29] <sls> I am running ubuntu (latest stable) and lost the crossover menus when I upgraded from the previous version
[05:29] <sls> how do I get them back in gnome 2.10
[05:29] <sls> ?
[05:29] <Marble2> Okay, I don't know what I did wrong, but I had totem playing almost all types of video files, now I changed something and it will only play .mpg/.mpeg files, every other type of file gives me a handling error. Does anyone know how to fix this?
[05:29] <pinkpink> gtk-theme-switch does not seem to apply the changes I made.
[05:29] <cafuego> ridejib: Actually, there is no -k8 kernel, go with -k7.
[05:30] <sls> anyone use crossover?
[05:30] <ridejib> ok
[05:30] <calc> if you have k8 install amd64 port its much faster
[05:30] <REds> ridejib, nps
[05:30] <sls> hmmm?
[05:30] <pinkpink> Is there ways to change GTK theme by, let's say, editing GTK's rc files?
[05:30] <calc> flash not working is a feature not a problem
[05:30] <REds> yah
[05:30] <bob2> pinkpink: sure
[05:30] <pinkpink> *are ther
[05:30] <calc> it helps get rid of all that bullshit spams on webpages
[05:30] <ridejib> calc: LOL thanks microsoft... i mean calc
[05:30] <bob2> pinkpink: how sure are you that the program uses gtk1.2?
[05:30] <REds> ridejib, what amd64 system do u have
[05:31] <EnRock> Can anyone give me a hand getting a USRobotics Modem (not winmodem) working on Hoary-PPC?
[05:31] <cafuego> calc: Stop talking nonsense. it is not.
[05:31] <calc> i don't think i have ever seen a useful flash site period
[05:31] <pinkpink> bob2: xmms, yes.
[05:31] <cafuego> calc: The AMD64 port isn't magically way faster then the i386 one on an AMD64.
[05:31] <calc> i have seen people abuse flash for sites sometimes, but 99% of the time i see flash it is spams (ads)
[05:31] <bob2> pinkpink: you know this will only affect it's menu, right?
[05:31] <calc> cafuego: it is
[05:31] <ridejib> REds: i built it myself. amd 64 3000+ on a asus k8v se deluxe board, with 1 gig ddr and a geforce 5700 le 256mb card
[05:31] <cafuego> calc: No, it is not.
[05:31] <bob2> EnRock: you have a serial port on your ppc?
[05:31] <calc> cafuego: amd64 arch has 4x the useful registers
[05:32] <pinkpink> bob2: Yes I know... the menu is what I want to change.
[05:32] <drgnmyst> hi room
[05:32] <calc> cafuego: and you have benchmarked apps to prove your theory (i have on mine)
[05:32] <cafuego> calc: Nevertheless it's not magically faster for the end user.
[05:32] <bob2> pinkpink: and you used switch, not switch2, and restarted it after?
[05:32] <calc> its roughly 30% faster than i386 arch on same box
[05:32] <aceidia> ca any one tell me how i can change the way ubuntu detects my vid card cause it has the wrong one...
[05:32] <cafuego> calc: Yes, I have on mine too, 10% tops on compiling. X/web/office/email makes no difference
[05:32] <calc> some things aren't faster but a lot of things are
[05:32] <bob2> aceidia: you have more than one vide ocard?
[05:32] <aceidia> no
[05:32] <EnRock> bob2: the pmac-zilog module is being loaded so I guess there is. I think its the internal modem.
[05:32] <calc> eg i get 50% increase on encoding music
[05:33] <aceidia> just the one
[05:33] <calc> 30-40% on gzip/bzip
[05:33] <pinkpink> bob2: Restart, as in, restart the computer?
[05:33] <bob2> aceidia: so in what sense is it being detected wrong?
[05:33] <bob2> pinkpink: as in xmms
[05:33] <cafuego> calc: .. on account of all the useful user apps only waiting for user input fatser than on i386.
[05:33] <pinkpink> I thought one needs to launch the program again.
[05:33] <REds> ridejib, nice sounds good, checkout the ck kernel patches also, theres alot of improvements and updates comming out for amd64 lately
[05:33] <calc> its been a while since i benched other apps so i can't remember how much faster everything is
[05:33] <bob2> EnRock: does google confirm that the modem in your mac works?
[05:33] <calc> cafuego: using less cpu even when waiting on io makes the system more responsive
[05:33] <cafuego> calc: it nevertheless makes *no* difference in user experience.
[05:34] <aceidia> it says i have  the geforce2 mx 400 (pci) in there but i have the geforce2 mx440(agp)
[05:34] <EnRock> bob2: don't really care about the modem in my MAC. I can unload its module.
[05:34] <kvidell> someone bored wanna give me a hand?
[05:34] <kvidell> http://pastebin.ca/17593
[05:34] <EnRock> bob2: I'm gtrying to get a PCI USRobotics modem working (for the voice features)
[05:34] <ridejib> REds: thanks. where might i be able to go to stay on top of these updates?
[05:34] <bob2> EnRock: ok, I guess I'm confused
[05:34] <cafuego> aceidia: AGP is just a fast version of PCI. Doesn't metter.
[05:34] <EnRock> bob2: has worked before (YDL)
[05:34] <LincTeK> aceidia : try  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:34] <bob2> aceidia: that doesn't matter
[05:35] <calc> cafuego: i get bound for cpu quite often and i don't do much non "user" stuff currently
[05:35] <calc> so it does make a difference
[05:35] <REds> ridejib,  http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/ but not sure if its for the amd64 port yet
[05:35] <ridejib> is there a trick to inserting a username before you type? I have just been typing it in everytime...
[05:35] <calc> if all they do is email then probably it won't help them
[05:35] <ridejib> REds: thanks
[05:35] <pinkpink> bob2: Well, switch always switches back to Clearlooks whenever I restart the config program.
[05:35] <cafuego> calc: You must have a special amd64 that's unlike all others, then.
[05:35] <v[] L7r[] n> Why is Ubuntu better then debian ?
[05:35] <bob2> I'd like it if things compiled 30% faster
[05:35] <calc> but doing much of anything else probably will (eg scanning those 1000s of viruses you get a day)
[05:35] <aceidia> ok then why isn;t it allowing my computer to use direct draw then?
[05:35] <REds> ridejib, u realy want too learn howto recompile a kernel, custom for ur mainboard chipset etc, thatl help alot, and its not that hard also
[05:35] <bob2> v[] L7r[] n: it's not, it's different.  try both and see which you prefer.
[05:36] <pinkpink> So that didn't make any changes at all...
[05:36] <bob2> aceidia: you know that direct draw has nothing to do with X, right?  unless you're using wine.
[05:36] <calc> cafuego: well i do get several thousand viruses a day that clamav has to scan for among other things
[05:36] <bob2> pinkpink: I didn't even know there was a gtk1.2 clearlooks.  weird.
[05:36] <cafuego> calc: I do that on the server, elsewhere
[05:36] <ridejib> REds: I have thought about that, however I am approacing my last semester of college this fall and don't want to have too large of a distraction
[05:36] <bob2> REds: compiling a custom kernel is highly unlikely to be faster in any measurable way
[05:36] <ridejib> perhaps in January or so, I can start looking into that
[05:36] <aceidia> i am using wine and it is asking for it..
[05:37] <dbernar1> hi.
[05:37] <bob2> aceidia: perhaps you need the binary drivers then
[05:37] <pinkpink> bob2: No there isn't... The program looks for the ./gtk directory, which does not exist.
[05:37] <calc> my email provider doesn't do it and a user probably doesn't have a separate server to do those sort of things (i don't either) :)
[05:37] <aceidia> where can i get the binary drivers?
[05:37] <Marble2> Okay, I don't know what I did wrong, but I had totem playing almost all types of video files, now I changed something and it will only play .mpg/.mpeg files, every other type of file gives me a handling error. Does anyone know how to fix this?
[05:37] <pinkpink> I want switch to change my theme to, let's say, Industrial.
[05:37] <REds> nah i just mean getting rid of unwanted drivers and instead of using standard chipset and generic modules
[05:37] <bob2> aceidia: you didn't mention wine at all in your original question, tho, which means we've all taken a 10 minute detour
[05:37] <pinkpink> But it doesn't change anything.
[05:37] <calc> if all someone is doing is email though they really don't need any more than an original pentium or so
[05:37] <bob2> aceidia: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:37] <calc> i could do email fine on my linux box in 1995 with p90 and 16mb ram
[05:37] <airmikey> i see 3 gigs of ram
[05:38] <airmikey> thx guys
[05:38] <bob2> REds: what's the point of doing that?
[05:38] <airmikey> right on
[05:38] <aceidia> sorry. i'm new to this OS and i wasn;t sure if it mattered.. :S
[05:38] <cafuego> calc: Well, I *am* an email provider.
[05:38] <calc> cafuego: ah
[05:38] <REds> bob2, it speaks for itself
[05:38] <dbernar1> Can I get a @ubuntulinux.org email address
[05:38] <bob2> dbernar1: no
[05:38] <REds> i dont realy need too mention that
[05:38] <dbernar1> now that you are talking about email.
[05:38] <SDFH_Linux> whoa pentium 90
[05:38] <SDFH_Linux> i remember that
[05:38] <LincTeK> bob2 : how long u been useing linux ??
[05:38] <dbernar1> Can I get a @ubuntu.com email address?
[05:39] <dbernar1> an
[05:39] <bob2> REds: how does it help at all?  all the extra modules do is consume a small amount of didsk space.
[05:39] <bob2> dbernar1: no
[05:39] <jsgotangco> dbernar1: you need to be a member to have one
[05:39] <bob2> members have ubuntu.com email now?
[05:39] <dbernar1> damn, I was all eager and all.
[05:39] <jsgotangco> bob2: not yet though :(
[05:39] <v[] L7r[] n> So you use .deb as well ?
[05:39] <cafuego> dbernar1: You could typosquat and buy ubunto.com
[05:39] <bob2> you don't want one, anyway, half my spam comes through ubuntu.com
[05:39] <jsgotangco> bob2: but launchpad is supposed to automate that right
[05:39] <v[] L7r[] n> dpkg
[05:39] <dbernar1> jsgotangco: so I can, eh? Cool, how?(how does one become a member)
[05:39] <bob2> jsgotangco: I didn't know that
[05:40] <REds> the rest speak for itself, but no it dosnt just use diskspace, it uses memory also
[05:40] <bob2> dbernar1: you can't have one at the moment, regardless of what you do
[05:40] <dbernar1> ok. Cause I read on the site.
[05:40] <bob2> REds: how does it use more memory?  only loaded modules consume ram.
[05:40] <jsgotangco> dbernar1: even exiting members still don't have it
[05:40] <cafuego> well, except someone else is doing that already
[05:40] <dbernar1> how about entering;)
[05:40] <bob2> note that there is one way in which it uses more ram
[05:40] <jsgotangco> i meant existing
[05:40] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:40] <bob2> but I don't think you're refering to that
[05:40] <dbernar1> dr. obvious...:)
[05:41] <crimsun> !components
[05:41] <ubotu> it has been said that components is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[05:41] <airmikey> any here running 64 bit ubuntu
[05:41] <REds> bob2, how does the kernel use memory ? why is the sky blue ? ; simple cause thats how they are
[05:41] <cafuego> airmikey: yep
[05:41] <bob2> REds: no, plese stop misleading people
[05:41] <dbernar1> bob2: how come? Whats up with the spam?
[05:42] <dbernar1> or dont answer its not that important.
[05:42] <bob2> dbernar1: oh, it just does't have my superfascist rules on it
[05:42] <dbernar1> ah
[05:42] <airmikey> cafuego: able to load things like mplayer
[05:42] <REds> u mislead ppl buy saying kernel only uses diskspace, thats very inaccurate u realise
[05:42] <calc> SDFH_Linux: yea linux used to run well on a p90 with 16mb, now it needs quite a bit more :)
[05:42] <dbernar1> thanks.
[05:42] <calc> airmikey: yea
[05:42] <calc> airmikey: on desktop and laptop
[05:42] <cafuego> airmikey: mplayer won't play DVDs for me
[05:42] <dbernar1> can I get an Ubuntu tatoo?
[05:43] <bob2> REds: no, I'm sorry, you're wrong on this count.  unless you can actually explain how unloaded modules use ram, please stop telling people that is the case.
[05:43] <FlannelKing> go ahead?
[05:43] <calc> airmikey: mplayer works but on breezy its out of sync with the marillat repo so you have to get elsewhere
[05:43] <calc> you also need libdvdcss
[05:43] <calc> cafuego: did you have libdvdcss installed?
[05:43] <airmikey> i went back to 32 bit cause  alot of pakages wouldnt load
[05:43] <cafuego> calc: Yes.
[05:43] <airmikey> hmm
[05:43] <calc> cafuego: hmm strange
[05:43] <bob2> REds: I'm not trying to pick on you, I just don't want you misleading people who don't know better
[05:43] <REds> no im not modules use memory when there loaded, its not rocket science
[05:43] <REds> i dont need too explain every detail, yet i thought u knew so much
[05:43] <bob2> REds: yes, of course
[05:43] <calc> i haven't used mplayer recently i typically just use totem-xine but i think mplayer worked with dvds for me last time i tried it
[05:44] <bob2> REds: how would compiling them in save memory?
[05:44] <pinkpink> bob2: Actually, my ~/.gtkrc has changed by switch...
[05:44] <pinkpink> But it doesn't seem to do anything.
[05:44] <bob2> REds: and how would reducing the number of modules on disk save memory?
[05:44] <dbernar1> disk is permanent memory...
[05:44] <REds> this is a lost cause u know how it works, i know how also
[05:44] <firebird619> I was in this room last night with the problem of not being able to install my modem. I did not get the problem solved although a few people did try to help me. I put a different modem into my PC today and I think it is installed but when I run wvdial in Terminal it says Modem Not Responding. What causes this message and how can I solve it. Can anyone help me? I am running Ubuntu 5.04.
[05:44] <REds> im not going too debate over it
[05:44] <airmikey> hmm if i wanta put 64 bit back on will it jus update
[05:44] <pinkpink> I believe they are reading the .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 file.
[05:45] <pinkpink> Which is somewhat weird.
[05:45] <cafuego> airmikey: No, you'll need to do a fresh install.
[05:45] <calc> bob2: 99% of the viruses i get come from my debian.org account :)
[05:45] <airmikey> or do i haved to redo the sysytem
[05:45] <airmikey> ahh man
[05:45] <bob2> REds: just please stop claiming their are advantages to people going to the huge effort of compiling their own kernel, unless you can actually explain those advantages. thanks.
[05:45] <calc> bob2: i used to get about 1.8GB of them per month
[05:45] <dbernar1> airmikey: use partitions for data and OS. Do you?
[05:45] <bob2> calc: hah, the other half of mine comes from a forward keybuk put on his debian.org account
[05:45] <FlannelKing> bob2, since apparently he's not gettinginto it, you have a site on how it all works that I could look at?
[05:46] <calc> er not used to get, i am currently get 1.8GB of viruses a month over 99% of which are from debian.org mailserver
[05:46] <REds> huge effort, haha u make me laugh, ok mr kernel modules just uses diskspace only, if u know so much why do i need too explain too u
[05:46] <raven3x7> firebird619 internal or exterrnal?
[05:46] <calc> so far over 700mb this month alone
[05:46] <pinkpink> Hmm... any help?
[05:46] <Marble2> grrr. any file I play in totem-xine I get the error "Could not open resource for writing". Does anyone know how to fix this?
[05:46] <dbernar1> haha, mr kernel modules.
[05:46] <dbernar1> ya.
[05:46] <calc> airmikey: you can't upgrade from 32bit to 64bit
[05:46] <firebird619> raven3x7: internal. The modem I have in there now is Intel 537EP
[05:46] <airmikey> well is jus that i got flux loaded and running sweet
[05:46] <REds> its free help, u dont need too feed people with a spoon, u need too show them which direction too take, and how to go about it, not explain every facet of life
[05:46] <crimsun> you're misinformed, REds.
[05:46] <bob2> FlannelKing: I don't know of one.  the basic deal is that modules only consume ram when they're loaded, so compiling a custom kernel with less modules will not save any ram at all (since you're just removing things that wouldn't have been in ram anyway)
[05:46] <Razor-X> I haven't played nethack in ages....
[05:47] <calc> airmikey: at least for the arch overall for individual packages you can do it in a roundabout way
[05:47] <bob2> REds: I'm asking you to explain it to me so I can point out where you're confused
[05:47] <airmikey> i wish i knew how to ghost
[05:47] <dbernar1> Razor-X: good for you, how do you feel?
[05:47] <REds> crimsun, well i must be then since u and bob2 said so
[05:47] <Razor-X> dbernar1: not too bad
[05:47] <calc> airmikey: using norton ghost or linux dd?
[05:47] <airmikey> well for linux
[05:47] <calc> airmikey: on linux you can do something like dd if=/dev/hdX# of=backup.file
[05:47] <REds> bob2, your assuming im consufused, assumptions are dangerous u know ?
[05:47] <raven3x7> firebird619 you found the correct drivers installed them?
[05:48] <calc> but just make sure you keep record of how big the partition is
[05:48] <firebird619> yes, I got drivers off the intel Web site
[05:48] <Razor-X> calc ;)
[05:48] <airmikey> thats it
[05:48] <FlannelKing> bob2, no, I got that much, but the kernel is modular, is what youre saying? and they get enabled as needed (only comparison I know is like apache2 does it in ubuntu?)
[05:48] <airmikey> hmm
[05:48] <Razor-X> dd is awesome
[05:48] <bob2> REds: then why don't you explain how you think drivers on disk can consume ram?
[05:48] <bob2> FlannelKing: ah, right, yes
[05:48] <crimsun> REds: join #ubuntu-offtopic and tell me, then, please
[05:48] <firebird619> raven3x7: Yes, I got them off the Intel Web site, as far as I can tell they are installed.
[05:48] <thechitowncubs> hey everyone, im trying to repair my sis's computer, it freezes at the gdm, the activity cursor never stops spinning
[05:48] <thechitowncubs> i'm in the recovery mode root console, any advice on what to check?
[05:49] <REds> bob2, i never said drivers on disk, u said that part
[05:49] <normal1> hey
[05:49] <REds> crimsun, tell u what
[05:49] <calc> bob2: maybe he meant compiling them in versus loading them for always used modules may save ram?
[05:49] <raven3x7> firebird619 have you run scanmodem from the linmodems website before you did that?
[05:49] <normal1> how do you edit whats on the gnome start menu
[05:49] <bob2> I dunno
[05:49] <calc> bob2: which it probably would due to minimum allocation size on page boundaries, etc
[05:49] <normal1> i know theres away to do it by right clicking it on kde
[05:49] <calc> but probably not save all that much ram except on very limited systems
[05:49] <bob2> compiling them in can save ram because each module otherwise requires a whole page
[05:49] <ridejib> normal1: install smeg
[05:49] <normal1> cool
[05:49] <bob2> yeah, exactly
[05:49] <monkeyy> can someone help me ?
[05:49] <normal1> i'll take alook
[05:50] <normal1> thanks man
[05:50] <REds> bob2, and just so u know, just because i dont explain things in full, doesnt make them any more wrong or right than you
[05:50] <firebird619> raven3x7: no I haven't. Is that something I can download and have it scan or is it run off the Web site. I have no Internet access on Ubuntu.
[05:50] <bob2> REds: ok, I'm sorry, I misread you.  what is the advantage of compiling a custom kernel?
[05:50] <ridejib> np
[05:50] <monkeyy> hey bob2 when i type in sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S*ntpd*   it says no such file
[05:50] <monkeyy> i should be doing this from the root terminal right ?
[05:50] <bob2> no
[05:50] <monkeyy> ok
[05:50] <monkeyy> lemme try again
[05:51] <pinkpink> Um...
[05:51] <thechitowncubs> hey everyone, im trying to repair my sis's computer, it freezes at the gdm, the activity cursor never stops spinning
[05:51] <thechitowncubs> i'm in the recovery mode root console, any advice on what to check?
[05:51] <thechitowncubs> its pretty important
[05:51] <ridejib> well... kernel k7 does seem a bit faster on my machine, and all of my ram is now being seen :) thanks for all the input there
[05:51] <thechitowncubs> and i have no idea what to look for
[05:52] <pinkpink> It seems that gtk-theme-switch changes only the ~/.gtkrc file... but how about the ~/.gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 file?
[05:52] <bob2> monkeyy: sorry, sudo rm /etc/rcS.d/S*ntpdate
[05:52] <raven3x7> yes you download it. it is a script tht finds out the exact type of your modem. i remember that some manufacturers erroneously claim 537 modems as 537EP. which need different drivers
[05:52] <airmikey> u guys get muine to work in 64 bit
[05:53] <firebird619> raven3x7: OK I will download it on my Windows machine and run it on Linux. I will let you know what it comes back as.
[05:53] <bob2> if you mean "amd64", please don't say "64 bit"
[05:53] <calc> btw the kolivas patches are kind of a wash right now, but look promising in the future esp with his new benchmark tester
[05:53] <bob2> just as a general thing
[05:53] <firebird619> raven3x7: What is the web site for it. www.linmodems.org or what?
[05:53] <raven3x7> firebird619 http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/
[05:53] <REds> bob2, thats ok, a bit faster, security reasons, and so u dont have all these modules ur not using, plus custom patches for things like amd64 which ud want too keep fairly update since its still relatively newl this was in regard too amd64 with ridejib u realise
[05:53] <aarcane> so i googled about compiling kernels in ubuntu, and it seems the best way to do it is from source..  sound about right ?
[05:53] <calc> he even noted that himself since the mainline is faster at some things and his is faster at others
[05:53] <firebird619> raven3x7: OK I will download it and run it
[05:53] <aarcane> erm..  I mean using kernel.org instead of using anything else
[05:53] <bob2> REds: how is it faster?
[05:53] <REds> bob2, theres other reasons, but thats enuf, u know the reasons urself,
[05:53] <monkeyy> bob2 under the normal terminal it still says the same no such file or directory
[05:54] <airmikey> u know i will never tell anyone here what they can or cannot say
[05:54] <airmikey> so dont to me
[05:54] <airmikey> thank u
[05:54] <aceidia> can anyone tell me how i would go about finding where wine has installed itself on my  computer.?
[05:54] <LincTeK> thechitowncubs:  how many accounts are on the computer ?
[05:54] <bob2> I didn't tell you not to say anything, I was explaining how you can be more correct and clearer
[05:54] <bob2> "64 bit" means something else
[05:54] <bob2> aceidia: it'll be /usr/bin/wine
[05:54] <calc> i'm not sure how compiled in drivers can be faster after initial load time
[05:54] <ridejib> acedia: in terminal "whereis wine"
[05:54] <raven3x7> firebird619 also join the mailing list. and send them the results. they will give you better advice than i can
[05:55] <airmikey> well anyone with a liitle knowledge understood me
[05:55] <calc> perhaps the jump doesn't take as many cycles? ;) hah
[05:55] <thechitowncubs> LincTek: 1
[05:55] <firebird619> raven3x7: OK
[05:55] <fader06> I have been a dedicated ubuntu user for a while, but can't load it on my old AMD k6-2 (x server can't load). Does anoyone know of a distro that comes with nothing more than the server setup with a Graphical Desktop Environement?
[05:56] <thechitowncubs> fader06: DSL
[05:56] <REds> bob2, i didnt say id explain too u how its faster, thats obvious, i just answered ur question with the advantages. thats it
[05:56] <thechitowncubs> or you can set up ubuntu to do it
[05:56] <aceidia> thx
[05:56] <monkeyy> can anyone help me during boot ubuntu synchronises with ntp.ubuntulinux.org how do i remove that
[05:56] <bob2> REds: no, it's not obvious.  how is it faster?  it's the exacte same kernel code, compiled with the same compiler, and the same gcc flags.
[05:56] <ecliptik> what are the xorg.conf optons to disable the touchscroll on a synaptics touchpad?
[05:56] <calc> from what i can tell on my system the modular way should not waste more than ~ 400KB vs compiled in, which is trivial amount of memory
[05:56] <LincTeK> thechitowncubs:  do you get a login screen ?
[05:56] <calc> though for some reason the kernel seems to be using ~ 18MB ram on my box
[05:57] <bob2> monkeyy: what does 'ls /etc/rcS.d/S*ntp*' print?
[05:57] <ridejib> fader06: why not install server version of ubuntu and then a window manager like fluxbox
[05:57] <monkeyy> let me check
[05:57] <bob2> calc: ram for page tables adds up if you have a lot of ram, maybe?
[05:57] <calc> hmm actually 27MB of ram i must be thinking of another box using 18mb
[05:57] <calc> bob2: 1gb ram 27MB is missing from free total amount
[05:58] <REds> bob2, im not going too debate this with u, ur just a shit stirer. end of story, if u know so much you wouldnt have too ask me why.
[05:58] <calc> bob2: not sure if that is normal or not
[05:58] <bob2> REds: ok, just please stop telling people that if you don't have any actual explanation for it, thanks
[05:58] <aceidia> bob2 would my cedega folder be in there to.?
[05:58] <monkeyy> bob2 no such file
[05:58] <bob2> aceidia: hm, I don't know
[05:58] <bob2> monkeyy: then I suspect if you reboot, it won't try to sync it
[05:59] <monkeyy> it still is :-(
[05:59] <karma_> are there some good terminus-like fonts but smaller(for terminals) in Ubuntu ?
[05:59] <bob2> monkeyy: how about 'find /etc/rc* -name "*ntp*"'?
[05:59] <REds> bob2, i have explanations, i just dont have too be lecturer by u, if u know so much why dont u explain the detailed differences and the advantages and disadvantages
[05:59] <calc> REds: so i'll ask.. what is it?
[05:59] <REds> bob2, so i assume if i dont explain ur self from now on u wont give advice ?
[05:59] <monkeyy> ok
[05:59] <ridejib> acedia: cedega folder should be in your home directory.. something like ".Transgaming_drive"
[06:00] <calc> code that is modular is different than compiled in just that it has to setup the function pointers at load time
[06:00] <REds> calc, mushoom
[06:00] <ridejib> it will be a hidden directory
[06:00] <monkeyy> it gave some results shall i post them here
[06:00] <calc> REds: eh?
[06:00] <bob2> REds: the differences are minimal.  reducing the list of compiled modules will save some disk space, but reduce functionality if you get new hardware.  it won't make it faster in any way.  compiling things into the kernel can save some boot time, and will use slightly less ram, but also reduces flexibility, especially for laptops (not being able to reload wireless drivers will break suspend).
[06:01] <bob2> REds: in conclusion, it's not worth it for most people, but can be handy to know if you work on obscure architectures, or small systems you need to squeeze every last bit of ram and performance out of.
[06:01] <REds> bob2, why did u tell ppl too use the source driver, of a binary one ?
[06:01] <bob2> REds: I generally don't give advice on topics I'm not willing to explain myself.  if I'm guessing, I will tell people that.
[06:01] <REds> bob2, but there still is a difference
[06:01] <bob2> REds: I don't know what you mean?
[06:02] <monkeyy> it gave /etc/rc2.d/K77ntp.server .... /etc/rc3.d/K77ntp.server.... /etc/rcS.S51ntpdate
[06:02] <REds> bob2, u said it before, not me
[06:02] <bob2> REds: yes, it can use slightly less ram
[06:02] <calc> REds: not speed difference
[06:02] <bob2> REds: show me what line you're refering to, I don't recall saying that
[06:02] <ridejib> bob2: what kernel do you recommend for an amd64?
[06:02] <bob2> ridejib: whatever the default in hoary is
[06:02] <REds> its like saying amd32 and amd64 kernel theres no difference, or no kernel code diff for the cpu
[06:02] <dbernar1> nice
[06:02] <calc> ridejib: i use linux-image-2.6.12-3-amd64-k8
[06:02] <bob2> REds: of course there is a difference between them, that's not at all what I'm saying
[06:02] <REds> bob2, i saw u say it, its above
[06:02] <calc> ridejib: but that isn't in hoary
[06:02] <calc> ridejib: default hoary one should be fine
[06:03] <ridejib> calc: yeah, i was going to say that i couldnt find that
[06:03] <REds> yes i know, im not a programmer also i cant tell u every detail
[06:03] <REds> but why compile kernels,
[06:03] <bob2> REds: I have no idea what this sentence means: "why did u tell ppl too use the source driver, of a binary one", can you explain it?
[06:03] <REds> why not load all modules if its only disk space and not much else
[06:03] <REds> why use patches, why recompile, why tweak the kernel, why update the kernel
[06:03] <HaroldJohnson> Hello everyone; sorry for my crabbiness earlier today.
[06:03] <calc> REds: because the boot device needs built in module unless you use an initrd/initramfs
[06:03] <calc> REds: most if not all dists use modules
[06:03] <bob2> REds: you're confused again.  loading modules uses ram, but even with ubuntu kernels, but you only load modules for hardware you have.
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> not all modules are loaded at boot up.
[06:04] <calc> REds: but they also setup up initrds
[06:04] <REds> im getting the gist u said theres little too no difference bob2
[06:04] <REds> yes im aware
[06:04] <REds> ofcourse
[06:04] <Marble2> Okay, I don't know what I did wrong, but I had totem playing almost all types of video files, now I changed something and it will only play .mpg/.mpeg files, every other type of file gives me a handling error. Does anyone know how to fix this?
[06:04] <bob2> there's little to no speed difference, yes
[06:04] <monkeyy> bob 2 shall i post the results of the find that we made ?
[06:04] <REds> but sometimes modules are loaded that arent needed and used
[06:04] <bob2> monkeyy: sudo rm /etc/rcS.S/51ntpdate
[06:04] <AlbanianLord> hey folks I was wondering if someone could help me with my sound issues
[06:04] <monkeyy> ok
[06:04] <REds> i know about initrds
[06:04] <bob2> monkeyy: one of the commands I gave you earlier should have deleted that, so make sure you type EXACTLY what I said
[06:05] <REds> calc, i never said dont use modules, just meant slim it down
[06:05] <bob2> REds: can you give me an example of a module that shouldn't be loaded?
[06:05] <ridejib> calc: mind if i private you?
[06:05] <REds> its like why do we use ck patches, ur aware of them right
[06:05] <REds> its just an example realy
[06:05] <calc> REds: sliming down which modules a dist compiles in is hard to pick since the dist doesn't want to waste ram for other people that don't want those features
[06:05] <calc> ridejib: sure go ahead
[06:05] <REds> floppy ppl might not use it
[06:05] <REds> parrallel port
[06:05] <GigaClon> I was browsing synaptic and came across a plugin that allow you to view your filesystem as planets anyone know what it is called?
[06:05] <bob2> REds: you're argiuing by analogy, which is pointless
[06:05] <REds> serial
[06:05] <calc> REds: ck patches help some but hurt in other areas as he mentioned today
[06:06] <dbernar1> AlbanianLord: are your speakers broken?
[06:06] <REds> bob2, not realy
[06:06] <bob2> REds: yes, using ck can be useful, but that has nothing to do with randomly recompiling things
[06:06] <AlbanianLord> no
[06:06] <dbernar1> then there is hope, tell us more.
[06:06] <calc> of course once he figures out how to make it all good it will go into the kernel
[06:06] <AlbanianLord> dbernar i believe it is an alsa issue
[06:06] <REds> calc, ofcourse but point is they help, like all patches, its the point
[06:06] <dbernar1> bye
[06:06] <AlbanianLord> bye
[06:06] <AlbanianLord> so dbernar can you assist me?
[06:06] <calc> REds: also note that if you compile your own kernel you won't get all the other fixes the dist provider has in their kernel
[06:07] <calc> REds: 2.6 kernels are considered unstable by the upstream authors themselves
[06:07] <monkeyy> bob 2 thanks i think this is gonna work
[06:07] <dbernar1> I dont know, likely not, I have no clue about it, but tell nmore about the issue, you have more chance of getting help.
[06:07] <calc> REds: they recommend you use dist kernels instead
[06:07] <AlbanianLord> lol
[06:07] <REds> bob2, ur missing the point ck has adavantages just lie applying patches too the standard kernel tree or recompiling, just as they have advantages like being less stable, thats all obvious
[06:07] <calc> so at minimum you would want to patch the dist kernel source with the other fixes, not build a kernel.org one
[06:07] <AlbanianLord> ok i'm told and i've ascertained that I need the ac97 codec
[06:07] <bob2> REds: yes, that's an analogy.  anyway, I didn't want a stupidly long discussion, I'm just trying to shut down this cargo-cult floklore thing
[06:08] <AlbanianLord> but for whatever reason I get NO sound whatsoever
[06:08] <REds> bob2, well not according too vendors and kernel.org its in the stable stream, has been for ages, its a bit late arguing now that 2.6 isnt stable though
[06:08] <youth> how do i remove my previous version of wine?
[06:08] <youth> i went to winehq.com and couldn't see how to
[06:08] <dbernar1> sound card?
[06:08] <REds> bob2, cargo-cult floklore thing ? what do u mean
[06:08] <bob2> REds: I don't even know what you're arguing now
[06:08] <monkeyy> bob 2 thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:08] <bob2> REds: I never said 2.6 is unstable
[06:08] <bob2> monkeyy: np
[06:08] <REds> bob2, i didnt want a long discussion either, but u keept asking me why
[06:08] <bob2> lunchtime, y'all
[06:09] <REds> calc REds: 2.6 kernels are considered unstable by the upstream authors themselves ; sorry that was meant for calc
[06:09] <HrdwrBoB> REds: compiling your own kernel is not worth the waste of time and effort
[06:09] <dbernar1> yall:)
[06:09] <bob2> REds: because I wanted to see if you had a strong reason, or if you were repeating what someone else had told you
[06:09] <AlbanianLord> dbernar;: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
[06:09] <dbernar1> bob2: w00t, whats cooking?>
[06:09] <calc> REds: actually they aren't what you been reading/smoking? :)
[06:09] <bob2> dbernar1: pumpkin soup, it seems
[06:09] <dbernar1> im totally starving.
[06:09] <REds> waste of time, its no real effort and takes hardly anytime, these days thatsa  pointless argument HrdwrBoB realy
[06:09] <dbernar1> sweet, tell me when its done.
[06:09] <calc> REds: iirc upstream kernel.org people recommend using redhat kernels
[06:09] <AlbanianLord> may I suggest albanian food?
[06:10] <REds> its like why upgrade ubuntu, its not worth the time, downloads and effort
[06:10] <AlbanianLord> i hear it's excellent
[06:10] <dbernar1> ok, go ahead, AlbanianLord .
[06:10] <HrdwrBoB> REds: exactly, if it works and it's good enough. don't upgrade.
[06:10] <crimsun> !tell AlbanianLord about alsa-source
[06:10] <REds> calc, its all based from the same kernel tree, wether its mandrake or redhat u realise
[06:10] <HrdwrBoB> unless you want something specific
[06:10] <HrdwrBoB> REds: there are *large* amounts of patches.
[06:10] <AlbanianLord> goahead crimsun
[06:10] <REds> HrdwrBoB, but alot dont and they upgrade, and thats how it is
[06:10] <crimsun> AlbanianLord: the name of the driver you want to select is called azx.
[06:10] <daniels> there are absolutely ungodly amounts of patches
[06:11] <calc> REds: thats like saying debian's xfree86 was just like upstreams ;)
[06:11] <AlbanianLord> help me through it then!
[06:11] <REds> i believe uz want me too justify myself or somethn, i didnt say i know all
[06:11] <daniels> unless you have an absolutely crushing problem which your vendor cannot solve, it's suicidal to move away from a vendor kernel
[06:11] <daniels> (noting that it also loses you security support)
[06:11] <crimsun> AlbanianLord: I just had a link sent to you via query.
[06:11] <REds> calc, almost, ;o
[06:11] <calc> REds: nope not even close
[06:11] <calc> REds: redhat's kernel patch is huge aiui, and so was debian's xfree86 patch (10MB gzip'd)
[06:11] <REds> not realy, heaps of vendor kernels still need security patches too be applied
[06:11] <REds> ye i know
[06:12] <AlbanianLord> lol
[06:12] <AlbanianLord> so azx is it?
[06:12] <ridejib> can't we all just get along?
[06:12] <crimsun> AlbanianLord: yep
[06:12] <ridejib> lol
[06:12] <AlbanianLord> how do I work that beast!
[06:13] <REds> im aware that vendor kernels are better sorted for there hardware, but theres no reason u can use standard kernel tree, updates, and ck for example, and apply say vendor patches
[06:13] <crimsun> AlbanianLord: just follow the instructions in the query that I had sent to you.
[06:13] <REds> either ither each too there own realy
[06:13] <aru> wanna hear something funny, my nic I've been fighting works just fine, if anyone remembers, I said the green light was on once before... that was with a direct cable from the router to the laptop, the cable in my garage I was testing it with, I wired opposite on each end
[06:14] <crimsun> aru: so r8169 works fine?
[06:14] <AlbanianLord> why kernel source 2.4.27
[06:14] <AlbanianLord> ?
[06:14] <crimsun> AlbanianLord: erm, you didn't follow my instructions...
[06:14] <aru> crimsun, I dont want to talk about it :)
[06:14] <crimsun> aru: fair 'nuff
[06:14] <calc> i have a 8169 at home that works fine :)
[06:15] <AlbanianLord> i thought i did
[06:15] <AlbanianLord> lol
[06:15] <crimsun> AlbanianLord: linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[06:15] <AlbanianLord> lol
[06:15] <IceDC571> !info msttcorefonts
[06:15] <AlbanianLord> got it
[06:15] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section multiverse/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB
[06:15] <sjjubb1989> does anyone know that program that you can play songs off of your ipod in linux?
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. you mount your ipod as a normal usb drive I thought. so about anything can play files off it.
[06:16] <FlannelKing> does anyone else not see msttcorefonts in their repos?
[06:16] <crimsun> FlannelKing: it's in multiverse.
[06:16] <FlannelKing> I have multiverse
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> Unless i totally missunderstand how the ipod works. ;)
[06:16] <crimsun> sjjubb1989: what Dr_Willis said.
[06:16] <sjjubb1989> Is ther a better way to sort my music? Music Player crashes for some reason
[06:16] <FlannelKing> hmm, I dont have multiverse... thats odd, nevrmind then
[06:16] <sjjubb1989> Crimsun, Dr_Willis: I got the ipod mounted, its just the sorting music like thing
[06:17] <aceidia> does anyone know anything about cedega?
[06:17] <crimsun> aceidia: #cedega does
[06:17] <calc> i get plenty of spam though so perhaps thats the most i will get, heh
[06:17] <HrdwrBoB> aceidia: yes
[06:18] <AlbanianLord> crimsun how do I select that module
[06:18] <crimsun> calc: I can funnel some of the spam that hits me to you if you'd like ;)
[06:18] <ridejib> Well, good night everyone, and enjoy your speed arguments
[06:18] <HrdwrBoB> aceidia: do you have a question?
[06:18] <sjjubb1989> lol
[06:18] <calc> crimsun: no thats ok, i finally managed to get it down to only ~ 15/day that hit my inbox
[06:19] <pfault> time to get keyboard out of dishwasher
[06:19] <calc> crimsun: i had to run spamassassin on my local box since my webhost disabled all the useful features, heh
[06:19] <crimsun> d'oh
[06:19] <calc> i get somewhere around 400-500 spam a day and another 1000+ viruses
[06:19] <ice_1963> ok
[06:19] <calc> clamav is teh r0x
[06:19] <jasoncohen> i see an ip from russia in last -d. it appears this person logged into my machine but the only port i have open that would allow remote access is ssh and that isn't accessible from the internet - plus it's public key only
[06:19] <jasoncohen> does last -d mean a successful login attempt was made?
[06:20] <AlbanianLord> crimsun how do I select azx
[06:20] <seth_k> jasoncohen: there's a bug report on that
[06:20] <dbernar1> AlbanianLord: I am sure taht link tells you
[06:20] <dbernar1> Do you have the link?
[06:20] <crimsun> AlbanianLord: you select it in the third screen when you sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[06:20] <elmagozizou> hiii
[06:20] <elmagozizou> I need some help
[06:20] <PlutoPrime> how do you "Name" a burning session with gnome-baker!??!
[06:20] <seth_k> jasoncohen: it's apparently a memory leak in gdm, not a russian anything
[06:20] <elmagozizou> I just install ubuntu
[06:20] <calc> jasoncohen: that sounds bad
[06:20] <dbernar1> help you shall get
[06:20] <PlutoPrime> I can't find such an option anywhere... is it even possible?
[06:20] <calc> jasoncohen: oh nm see what seth_k said
[06:21] <jasoncohen> seth_k, why would a memory leak in gdm show some russian ip?
[06:21] <AlbanianLord> i got an error crimsun
[06:21] <jasoncohen> seth_k, thanks, i feel better now
[06:21] <seth_k> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12568 && https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8925
[06:21] <dbernar1> AlbanianLord: say what it said.
[06:21] <thechitowncubs> hey everyone, im trying to repair my sis's computer, it freezes at the gdm, the activity cursor never stops spinning
[06:22] <thechitowncubs> i'm in the recovery mode root console, any advice on what to check?
[06:22] <jasoncohen> ...heh, so can i get rid of the firewall rule blocking that ip?
[06:22] <seth_k> yep, gdm memory leak
[06:22] <seth_k> yeah :D
[06:22] <seth_k> because it's a random IP
[06:22] <seth_k> yours just happened to show up from russia
[06:22] <calc> seth_k: yea i see lots of random ips in my last log
[06:22] <AlbanianLord> checking for directory with kernel source... /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386checking for directory with kernel build... /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[06:22] <AlbanianLord> checking for kernel version... The file /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386/include/linux/version.h does not exist.
[06:22] <AlbanianLord> Please, install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution
[06:22] <AlbanianLord> or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel
[06:22] <AlbanianLord> sources (default is /usr/src/linux).
[06:22] <AlbanianLord> make: *** [configure-stamp]  Error 1
[06:22] <AlbanianLord> sorry about that
[06:22] <dbernar1> nothing just ahppens to show up from russia, is a plan.
[06:22] <jasoncohen> seth_k, you sure. needsomehelp saw the same thing in his last -d
[06:22] <elmagozizou> Can any one help my....I have  litle problem...I just install ubuntu
[06:22] <Madpilot> !pastebin
[06:23] <ubotu> hmm... pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[06:23] <dbernar1> AlbanianLord: please use pastebin.com, or #flood for pasteing more than a few lines 1-2-3 of text
[06:23] <calc> they all seem to end in .0 though which is fishy, probably that same bug :)
[06:23] <seth_k> jasoncohen: depending on your configuration, you get one of several IPs. A lot of people in #kubuntu got the same one, too.
[06:23] <calc> dbernar1: did the ip end in .0 for you too?
[06:23] <AlbanianLord> #flood checking for directory with kernel source... /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386checking for directory with kernel build... /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[06:23] <AlbanianLord> checking for kernel version... The file /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386/include/linux/version.h does not exist.
[06:23] <AlbanianLord> Please, install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution
[06:23] <AlbanianLord> or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel
[06:23] <AlbanianLord> sources (default is /usr/src/linux).
[06:23] <AlbanianLord> make: *** [configure-stamp]  Error 1
[06:23] <dbernar1> calc: its a takeover,
[06:23] <AlbanianLord> i pasted it
[06:23] <dbernar1> hehe
[06:24] <dbernar1>  /join #flood, but we sdaw it already
[06:24] <jasoncohen> seth_k, again, thanks for the info
[06:24] <jasoncohen> is the bug report on ubuntu's bugzilla?
[06:24] <seth_k> yes, those are both Ubuntu bugreports
[06:24] <Marble2> Okay, I don't know what I did wrong, but I had totem playing almost all types of video files, now I changed something and it will only play .mpg/.mpeg files, every other type of file gives me a handling error. Does anyone know how to fix this?
[06:24] <seth_k> glad I could help you
[06:24] <AlbanianLord> so what went wrong
[06:24] <AlbanianLord> ?
[06:24] <seth_k> Russian IPs would worry me too :P
[06:24] <seth_k> if you look it up, it's actually the IP of a Russian bank
[06:24] <seth_k> russian bank h4x0r pwns joo
[06:25] <jasoncohen> seth_k, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12568
[06:25] <jasoncohen> seth_k, that's the ip i saw
[06:25] <dbernar1> im blinking and Im thinking, hm, yeah...
[06:25] <holycow> marble, right click on file, do properties, go to open with and add/check what apps you want to open that file type
[06:25] <tiglionabbit> Marble2: is it totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[06:25] <seth_k> jasoncohen: seems to be fixed in breezy, I don't get it anymore on my breezy installs
[06:26] <Marble2> tiglionabbit: totem-xine
[06:26] <Marble2> i have w32codecs installed
[06:26] <tiglionabbit> hmm, that's odd
[06:26] <Marble2> yea
[06:26] <dbernar1> evrything is odd.
[06:26] <tiglionabbit> what is the error?
[06:27] <Marble2> what the hell... it just started playing .wmv files
[06:27] <Marble2> still no .avi though
[06:27] <Marble2> the error is
[06:27] <dbernar1> haha
[06:27] <Marble2> video codec 'XviD format' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies
[06:27] <Marble2> XviD format changes, depending on what the video is encoded in though
[06:28] <Marble2> hm, now it won't play a different wmv file
[06:28] <Marble2> this is weird
[06:28] <dbernar1> so anyhow, what  do people do with their computers that they need winblows, that is the question of the day, I swear.
[06:28] <tiglionabbit> Marble2: can you play it in gxine or xine-ui?
[06:28] <calc> seth_k: its still doing it for me on breezy, but i haven't restarted gdm in 5 days
[06:28] <sjjubb1989> Marble2
[06:29] <sjjubb1989> Marble2: This guide might help
[06:29] <Marble2> yea, it plays in gxine
[06:29] <Marble2> I won't have xine-ui
[06:29] <tiglionabbit> dbernar1: the only thing I need windows for is TabletPC Edition Ink.
[06:29] <Marble2> and they all play fine in mplayer
[06:29] <eno__> what does middle click do?  I read that it is used in linux but mine doesn't seem to do anything
[06:29] <seth_k> calc: maybe I am lucky I guess
[06:29] <sjjubb1989> Marble2: are you using ubuntu. then use  Alex Leanders <Hollygirlgreen@aol.com>
[06:29] <sjjubb1989> i mean
[06:29] <tiglionabbit> eno__: pastes the last thing you hilighted
[06:29] <sjjubb1989> erase that email
[06:29] <dbernar1> I mean sometimes, I need to use windows,...
[06:29] <dbernar1> for like, something...
[06:29] <sjjubb1989> that is not it. i ment to past a link
[06:29] <eno__> oh thanks
[06:29] <calc> seth_k: heh
[06:29] <Marble2> sjjubb1989: huh? email him?
[06:29] <Marble2> tiglionabbit: any ideas?
[06:30] <sjjubb1989> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:30] <seth_k> sjjubb1989: LOL, nice paste ;)
[06:30] <tiglionabbit> eno__: it also does different things when you click on unpastable places, like the title bar on a window, or a hyperlink
[06:30] <FlannelKing> In synaptec, in the category view, Installed, Not installed, Upgradable, that sort of thing, what does "Installed (local or obsolete)" mean?
[06:30] <sjjubb1989> Don't email her
[06:30] <dbernar1> but, I mean, ubuntu is sooo much more advanced, and everything works in linux, and there are sooo many more programs, reall.
[06:30] <Tomcat_> dbernar1: Gaming? :o
[06:30] <dbernar1> bah
[06:30] <Marble2> sjjubb1989: what will adding more repos give me?
[06:30] <seth_k> more goodies
[06:30] <sjjubb1989> more choices for software
[06:30] <sjjubb1989> exactly
[06:30] <Marble2> right
[06:30] <Marble2> but
[06:30] <Marble2> what packages do I need to install
[06:30] <dbernar1> now that, is just stupid, anyhow, I dont wanna diss anyhow, flame, troll whatever.
[06:30] <eno__> I will try it out
[06:30] <tiglionabbit> dbernar1: yeah, and inkscape comes very close to the things I want from ink, but it is not there yet.  I should develop it =)
[06:30] <sjjubb1989> Marble2:
[06:31] <Marble2> btw, I'm already using universe and multiverse
[06:31] <pfault> hehe
[06:31] <sjjubb1989> Marble2: The guide has certain ones you might want. i did all the media ones
[06:31] <tiglionabbit> !multimedia
[06:31] <ubotu> from memory, multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[06:31] <dbernar1> nah, anyhow, ya, I guess ppl use computers for non command line things...
[06:31] <geocator> why oh why can I not install the newest firefox 1.0.5?
[06:32] <GigaClon> is there a linux equvilant to RazorLame (ie GUI front end)
[06:32] <tiglionabbit> 1.0.5 is the newest?
[06:32] <poningru> yep
[06:32] <calc> sound juicer is a gui for ripping, whether its equal to that i dunno
[06:32] <poningru> it came out toninght
[06:32] <hylix> Hey, got a problem with the sk98bin module
[06:32] <tiglionabbit> geocator: well, most of the changes (at least from 1.0.4) have been backported to 1.0.2
[06:32] <tiglionabbit> !firefox
[06:32] <ubotu> I heard firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[06:32] <hylix> I compiled it from source, but if I put it in /etc/modules it won't generate a eth0 device
[06:32] <GigaClon> I want to transcode some mp3 files
[06:32] <calc> i personally like acbde encoder for linux, but its command line, you just run the app and it does everything automatically though
[06:33] <hylix> If I reboot so it loads, then rmmod it and reload it, it works
[06:33] <hylix> But then I have to run ifconfig eth0 up and dhclient
[06:33] <Marble2> sjjubb1989 and tiglionabbit, I belive I have all the codec packages I need, I just can't get totem to recognize them
[06:33] <Marble2> or something
[06:33] <tiglionabbit> hylix: can't you just "ifup eth0" ?
[06:33] <Marble2> because the videos will play fine in other players, and they were playing fine in totem
[06:33] <Marble2> I just must have changed something
[06:33] <sjjubb1989> Marble2: Ah....
[06:33] <sjjubb1989> Marble2: Ok well i'm lost now
[06:33] <hylix> tiglionabbit: nope, it should do that on boot, but the driver doesn't recognize the hardware unless i rmmod it and reinstall it
[06:34] <hylix> i tried making an /etc/rcS.d startup script but same problem
[06:34] <shido> wysiwug editor for ubuntu is called?
[06:34] <calc> shido: webpages? nvu
[06:34] <tiglionabbit> shido: sure, openoffice you mean?
[06:34] <shido> thank you, 50 pts
[06:34] <shido> and why do I need to reboot 3 times to get gnome-panel?
[06:34] <shido> and HAL errors
[06:34] <tiglionabbit> shido: what are you talking about?
[06:35] <shido> unable to initialize HAL
[06:35] <crimsun> shido: you're not using linux-image-2.6.11-1-foo, are you?
[06:35] <GigaClon> lame front end for ubuntu?
[06:35] <shido>  2.6.10-5-686-smp #1 SMP
[06:35] <shido> hrmm
[06:35] <shido> ok
[06:35] <calc> GigaClon: sound juicer will do that
[06:35] <shido> how come synaptic didnt notify me
[06:35] <calc> GigaClon: and its installed by default on ubuntu
[06:35] <shido> dagnabbit
[06:36] <rainingzigzags> whats a good video player to install that plays more video formats?
[06:36] <GigaClon> calc, does it transcode too?
[06:36] <calc> rainingzigzags: totem-xine
[06:36] <calc> GigaClon: i don't think it will do that
[06:36] <GigaClon> I have mp3 files encoded at 320 and I want them at 128
[06:36] <tiglionabbit> rainingzigzags: vlc claims to, but isn't compiled for realmedia.  Mplayer should
[06:37] <calc> GigaClon: you can do that fairly simplely with a script
[06:37] <calc> mpg123 output to stdout and have lame read from stdin and encode to 128
[06:38] <shido> ok
[06:38] <GigaClon> windows had razorlame that did that quite nicely
[06:38] <shido> crimsun, using synaptic how do I upgrade my kernel to 2.6.x
[06:38] <shido> oh nevermind
[06:38] <shido> I see it
[06:38] <shido> thank you
[06:38] <calc> grr libmad is broken on the archive for amd64 arch, bad package md5sum
[06:38] <rainingzigzags> which one will play divx files?
[06:39] <daaku> i'm new to the ppc linux combination, and i cant seem to get my powerbook to boot using either an install or a live cd.. i'm holding down the c key, burned different cd's to make sure it wasnt a bad burn..
[06:39] <thechitowncubs> or you can set up ubuntu to do it
[06:39] <thechitowncubs> hey everyone, im trying to repair my sis's computer, it freezes at the gdm, the activity cursor never stops spinning
[06:39] <calc> GigaClon: to do the same under linux takes a one line script maybe about 80 chars
[06:39] <shido> 10 seconds remaining
[06:39] <thechitowncubs> i'm in the recovery mode root console, any advice on what to check?
[06:39] <crimsun> calc: topic
[06:39] <calc> GigaClon: so there might not be any transcode app to do it since it is so simple
[06:39] <calc> crimsun: ah, hehe
[06:40] <elmagozizou> who offer help here?
[06:40] <calc> GigaClon: once i install the package i can tell you what that one line is
[06:40] <elmagozizou> I need help..I just install ubuntu
[06:40] <flodine> how do i update my kernel using synaptic
[06:40] <flodine> help
[06:41] <calc> oh actually lame can transcode itself
[06:41] <flodine> dont sleep now guys
[06:41] <FlannelKing> Is there a problem with the repository listing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories ?  Im getting errors, are they just the repo being down?
[06:42] <flodine> how do i update my kernel using synaptic
[06:42] <calc> just do lame --mp3input in.mp3 out.mp3 and tell it what bitrate/quality to use
[06:42] <calc> if you have a lot to convert just use a for loop
[06:43] <FlannelKing> elmagozizou, it's best to just ask your question
[06:43] <calc> for i in (list of files); do lame --mp3input $i `basename $i .mp3`.new.mp3; done
[06:44] <spermie_411> how do tell cedega to install a game from cdrom?
[06:44] <thechitowncubs> hey everyone, im trying to repair my sis's computer, it freezes at the gdm, the activity cursor never stops spinning
[06:44] <thechitowncubs> i'm in the recovery mode root console, any advice on what to check?
[06:44] <gyaresu> thechitowncubs, are you using 2.6.11 ?
[06:44] <tessier> spermie_411: Did you just message me?
[06:45] <tessier> spermie_411: I think you are infected.
[06:45] <thechitowncubs> I don't think so... but possibly
[06:45] <tessier> heh...infected spermie...hehehehe
[06:45] <calc> GigaClon: did you see the line above?
[06:45] <GigaClon> yeah
[06:45] <GigaClon> thanks
[06:45] <calc> ok :)
[06:45] <tessier> spermie_411: You should go down to the clinic and get checked out
[06:45] <thechitowncubs> gyaresu: what would that effect?
[06:45] <calc> GigaClon: lame has quality settings besides just constant bitrate settings that are better to use if you don't need exactly 128kbps
[06:45] <spermie_411> wrong tessier
[06:46] <spermie_411> sorry
[06:46] <spermie_411> and dont get an attiude with me either
[06:46] <gpled> anyone using bittorrent?
[06:46] <aru> yeah!
[06:46] <gyaresu> 2.6.11 hung for me while loading gdm.
[06:46] <aru> attitudes are... nevermind
[06:46] <gpled> aru: that yeah for me?
[06:46] <gyaresu> thechitowncubs, 2.6.11 hung for me.
[06:46] <thechitowncubs> on the gdm load?
[06:47] <jc_c> hello
[06:47] <gyaresu> thechitowncubs, i'd try a different kernel.
[06:47] <aru> gyaresu, it wasn't but I do use bittorrent
[06:47] <Marble2> Okay, I don't know what I did wrong, but I had totem playing almost all types of video files, now I changed something and it will only play .mpg/.mpeg files, every other type of file gives me a handling error. Does anyone know how to fix this?
[06:47] <thechitowncubs> did it freeze on the gdm load>?
[06:47] <elmagozizou> ok...here is my problem...I intalls ubuntu twice because GRUB doesnt wnat to boot just after the instalation....then I decide to install it using lilo...but know lilo doesnt offer me the option yo boot my windows partition...whow do i do that?
[06:47] <ticktoc> applications just drop into nowhere..  finally discovered this msg in xsession-errors -> "appliation <whatever> lost its connection to the display :0.0 most likely the x server etc.. etc.. Any Ideas?
[06:47] <tessier> spermie_411: So you did message me? What do you want?
[06:47] <gpled> aru: how can i tell if others are getting files from me?
[06:48] <aru> it should say, let me grab something
[06:48] <tessier> spermie_411 hey
[06:48] <gyaresu> thechitowncubs, (preface your messages with a name...)
[06:48] <gyaresu> thechitowncubs, froze after loging in.
[06:48] <thechitowncubs> gyaresu: i don't think thats the problem then
[06:49] <tessier> Running xchat and somehow infected? That doesn't make sense. But it doesn't make sense why he would randomly message me "hey" either
[06:49] <aru> gpled, click the upload tab
[06:49] <ticktoc> oh...  btw...  this occurs 98% of the time in gnome...  luckily i use windowmaker 98% of the time.. <g>
[06:50] <gpled> aru:  k
[06:50] <calc> Marble2: tried installing totem-xine?
[06:50] <aru> that comma seperator is pissing me off
[06:50] <elmagozizou> ok...here is my problem...I intalls ubuntu twice because GRUB doesnt wnat to boot just after the instalation....then I decide to install it using lilo...but know lilo doesnt offer me the option yo boot my windows partition...whow do i do that?
[06:50] <gyaresu> thechitowncubs, can you CTL+ALT+F2 while gdm is freezing?
[06:50] <thechitowncubs> to get into a console?
[06:50] <thechitowncubs> if thats what that does then no
[06:50] <aru> gpled: apparently its supposed to say next to Status
[06:50] <aru> gpled: mine says zero
[06:50] <calc> elmagozizou: what error did grub give?
[06:50] <gyaresu> elmagozizou, sounds like drive order and partition numbers...
[06:50] <dbernar1> he is using ext3.
[06:51] <calc> elmagozizou: is your boot drive on a hpt ide controller?
[06:51] <gyaresu> thechitowncubs, yes. to get a look at the messages...
[06:51] <gpled> aru:  mine says 11.1 MB at 0.00 KB/s
[06:51] <GigaClon> calc can you link me to a bash scripting tutorial?
[06:51] <aru> gpled: once you click the Cap boxes and set it, then it starts sharing
[06:52] <thechitowncubs> gyaresu: ya, i can't even do that
[06:52] <aru> mine did anyway
[06:52] <thechitowncubs> once i try to do that the cursor goes away and it does nothing
[06:52] <Marble2> calc: uh, yea
[06:52] <gpled> aru: lol, i thought i was being a nice guy, by not putting a cap on :)
[06:53] <gyaresu> thechitowncubs, is this a new install? have you tried different kernels?
[06:53] <calc> Marble2: oh :(
[06:53] <elmagozizou>  WHen i boot after the installation
[06:53] <elmagozizou> grub says "grub loading....please wait"
[06:53] <hylix> tiglionabbit: if you're still capable of helping me, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=252550#post252550
[06:53] <elmagozizou> but stays there
[06:53] <elmagozizou> but
[06:54] <elmagozizou> there is not the problem know
[06:54] <elmagozizou> see now i cnat boot..just that only linux
[06:54] <calc> GigaClon: http://steve-parker.org/sh/sh.shtml
[06:54] <calc> GigaClon: that one looks decent
[06:54] <elmagozizou> I dont know how to bot windows...
[06:54] <calc> GigaClon: also aiui there are good bash docs as well outside of the manpage itself
[06:54] <aru> gpled: is it working?
[06:54] <tiglionabbit> hehe hylix, I'm sorry, I'm not much help with complicated things.  I'm just here to knock some sense into people when the problem is obvious, and try to be as helpful as possible
[06:54] <hylix> tiglionabbit: roger, thanks for your help anyway. it's driving me insane
[06:55] <dbernar1> elmagozizou: I cant boot windows even if I have only that on there.
[06:55] <calc> GigaClon: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html
[06:55] <calc> elmagozizou: oh ok
[06:56] <gpled> aru: yes, thanks for the help!
[06:56] <aru> no problem!
[06:56] <Amazin9_Grace> hgghgh
[06:56] <gyaresu> elmagozizou, dual boot system? you want windows back? one ide harddrive?
[06:57] <shido> 2.6 crashes on my box
[06:57] <shido> :(
[06:57] <blmartin777> is there a gnome processor temp applet?
[06:57] <dbernar1> just reinstall winblows
[06:57] <aru> I helped someone today!
[06:57] <dbernar1> and then grub.
[06:57] <aru> I now rock
[06:57] <dbernar1> wow
[06:57] <dbernar1> \o/
[06:58] <dbernar1> like the ubuntu logo.
[06:58] <dbernar1> an ascii bootsplash
[06:59] <Amazin9_Grace> rhryrty
[06:59] <dbernar1> totally.
[07:00] <tiglionabbit> what exactly is $CDPATH for?
[07:01] <tiglionabbit> ooooh
[07:01] <tiglionabbit> I see
[07:02] <FlannelKing> elmagozizou, you still have windows installed? you just need to get to the grub menu to choose?
[07:03] <jc_c> Bugsbang: compatriote :)
[07:03] <tiglionabbit> !recover
[07:03] <ubotu> from memory, recover is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[07:04] <Bugsbang> yo
[07:04] <da_bon_bon> hi all -- do you guys keep your pc top notch up to date ? (not sync to devel..)  or just as it was when released ?
[07:05] <aru> I updated once
[07:05] <da_bon_bon> aru: and then never ?
[07:06] <aru> nope
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> coz software isnt really updated, its just given fixes.
[07:06] <Mestapheles> hi all
[07:06] <aru> I just installed the system, ran the update and called it good
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> oh
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> didnt like it ?
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> :D
[07:07] <gyaresu> da_bon_bon, if it's a desktop machine and everything you use works then its irrelevant. on the otherhand, if it's a server....
[07:07] <Centaur> I just installed ubuntu 2 hours ago and already love it! When did the installation set the root password though cause I don't know what it is, I only recall creating a user?
[07:07] <FlannelKing> you should keep it updated, if nothing but security patches
[07:07] <Tomcat_> !sudo
[07:07] <ubotu> sudo is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:07] <Tomcat_> Centaur: Please read that. :)
[07:07] <FlannelKing> Centaur, ubuntu doesnt use root, read that ;)
[07:07] <da_bon_bon> gyaresu: no, a desktop machine.
[07:08] <da_bon_bon> whats the easiest and simplest way to have mp3 support on a clean ubuntu install ?
[07:08] <Centaur> FlannelKing: really, so is my user I setup root?
[07:08] <firebird619> Is there anything else I have to set up anywhere after installing a modem to get it to work. I installed the modem with drivers for Linux that I downloaded from the manufacturers Web site and when I run wvdial it returns Modem Not Responding. Can anyone help me solve this problem?
[07:08] <Mestapheles> I'm getting messages like Filesystem "hda4":I/O Error Detected.  Shutting down filesystems:hda4.  Please umount ...
[07:09] <aru> I'm not supposed to be using root? :)
[07:09] <tiglionabbit> !sudo
[07:09] <ubotu> somebody said sudo was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:09] <Mestapheles> sudo reboot, and sudo shutdown -h now, don't work.  They giive an imput/output error.
[07:09] <tiglionabbit> aru: does it suffice to use sudo -s ?
[07:09] <FlannelKing> Centaur, no, your user is set as an administrator, not root, you enter your OWN password for things like sudo, halfway in between, really, read that page
[07:09] <aru> I've been opening a root terminal when I need to do something
[07:10] <tiglionabbit> aru: same thing
[07:10] <Centaur> FlannelKing: Okay, I'll go read it if I can get it to load
[07:10] <dbernar1> tiglionabbit: how do you turn that off completely?
[07:10] <HostingGeek> http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=3766
[07:10] <HostingGeek> Read that!
[07:10] <tiglionabbit> dbernar1: turn what off?
[07:10] <FlannelKing> turn what off?
[07:10] <HostingGeek> anyone who uses GPL software
[07:11] <HostingGeek> must read http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=3766
[07:11] <Tomcat_> aru: It's your own decision... of course you can use the root account. :o
[07:11] <Madpilot> crap... Screem just froze up hard on me. I thought only Windoze programs did that? :)
[07:11] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: nope, stuff happens
[07:11] <Madpilot> ... actually, a windows prog would have taken the whole computer down with it...
[07:11] <aru> app
[07:13] <tiglionabbit> You know, I've found that I can edit 40+ images in the gimp and run 4 different media players at the same time in linux.  On windows, that would have caused some sluggish behavior and lots of crashing
[07:13] <Mestapheles> Madpilot:go to console
[07:13] <dr_willis> Hmm... odd.. all my menu items in the gnome applications menu are doubled
[07:13] <tiglionabbit> dr_willis: using xfce?
[07:14] <tiglionabbit> oh wait, that would imply no
[07:14] <spermie_411> anyone in here use cedega?
[07:14] <dr_willis> tiglionabbit,  :P
[07:14] <dr_willis> hmm - where does gnome get all the menu items from anyway? ive never looked into that.
[07:14] <dr_willis> debian has some sort of directory stucture for the default menus dont it?
[07:14] <Mestapheles> XFS has just umounted two of my partitions and I get I/O errors when passing commands.  Any thoughts?
[07:14] <Madpilot> Mestapheles: nah, nothing else happened aside from Screem falling over...
[07:14] <tiglionabbit> dr_willis: well, I had the same problem in xfce.  It's because xfce read both /usr/share/applications and that/kde, while gnome or kde only read their own
[07:15] <tiglionabbit> dr_willis: I don't know how gnome could have started doing that, unless it got the kde directory included somehow
[07:15] <Madpilot> Mestapheles: unless there's a way of checking logs somewhere to see why Screem froze?
[07:15] <dr_willis> tiglionabbit,  ah.. testing out matchbox window manager also.. Hmm running vnc also. lets see
[07:15] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: did it screem as it died?
[07:15] <dr_willis> ah - si thats what /usr/share is for.. I saw that dir earlier...
[07:15] <Mestapheles> yes there should be a xorg_error log or something like that in /var
[07:15] <Nameeater> I've mounted my NTFS partition, but I can't access it, what should I do to get access?
[07:16] <tiglionabbit> dr_willis: /usr/share is for any settings that apply to all user accounts, like themes, applications lists, and a crapload of other stuff
[07:16] <dr_willis> tiglionabbit,  yea - looking at it now.
[07:16] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: :) nope - but that might have been an esd-related error, like every other sound bug I've heard about...
[07:16] <Mestapheles> anyone ever get a cannot execute "sbin/getty" ?
[07:17] <tiglionabbit> Mestapheles: that's bad, does that mean you can't login?
[07:17] <tiglionabbit> Mestapheles: you might want to check that it exists, and is r-x
[07:18] <Mestapheles> can't do anything.  XFS went rannk on me.  I guess sshing in from another computer wouldn't work either.
[07:18] <Mestapheles> well, I'm sure it exists.  I thinnk it is because XFS umounted two partitions for me for some problem it had.
[07:19] <Mestapheles> tiglionabbit:  am I correct to assume I can only hard reboot?
[07:19] <tiglionabbit> Mestapheles: uh, what, why?  oh, is it because reboot can't login or something?
[07:20] <Mestapheles> yeah, sudo reboot, sudo shutdown -h now all give me a "I/O error"
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> sounds like something is very. very. broken
[07:20] <Mestapheles> all consoles give me the "unable to execute '/sbin/getty'"
[07:21] <tiglionabbit> Mestapheles: you should be able to tap the power button gently to get a safe shutdown
[07:21] <Mestapheles> yeah reiser gave me simmilar errors after the first reboot
[07:21] <tiglionabbit> but I wouldn't shut down in that situation, unless planning to put in a boot cd
[07:21] <Mestapheles> will do.  Well back to ext2 and ext3
[07:22] <Mestapheles> well here comes a reintall.  XFS and reiser suck on ppc.
[07:23] <Madpilot> damn, Screem just fell over again... it's too bad, I like it better that Bluefish... but Bluefish doesn't crash...
[07:25] <dijungal> hi folks
[07:25] <dijungal> have any of u use Mepis... how does it compare to Ubuntu...?
[07:25] <Codestorm> ubuntu is better
[07:26] <dijungal> in what way..?
[07:26] <tiglionabbit> lol, what sort of answer do you expect from us?
[07:26] <dijungal> i know.. hehehe
[07:26] <Codestorm> well, i've tried almost every distro i could find at some stage
[07:26] <dijungal> but i was looking for something mroe objective... like tell me why it is beter yuh know
[07:26] <Codestorm> and ubuntu is best
[07:26] <Codestorm> because it works
[07:26] <Madpilot> dijungal: you're on #ubuntu, of course Ubuntu is better... :)
[07:26] <dijungal> lol
[07:26] <dijungal> ayte folks.. i get the point
[07:26] <dijungal> i'll have to try it myself.. :)
[07:26] <Codestorm> hehe
[07:27] <dijungal> n-e-ways.. i been up like 48hrs here... i need to sleep... i'll try Ubuntu later today
[07:27] <Madpilot> dijungal: the LiveCDs make trying it fairly painless, anyway
[07:27] <gyaresu> dijungal, cause ubuntu fixes most of the annoying things about debian.
[07:27] <dijungal> i tried Mepis and it works out great for me... but i'm open minded
[07:27] <Mestapheles> mepis is only pc
[07:27] <gyaresu> dijungal, the 'just works' factor.
[07:27] <Mestapheles> ubuntu supports ppc
[07:27] <WildBill> any mplayer gurus here?  I am having trouble playing an AVI... encoded with xvid for video, and a52 for audio
[07:27] <dijungal> what is ppc..?
[07:28] <WildBill> every other video works great...
[07:28] <Mestapheles> yes, ubuntu is really good at auto-configuring
[07:28] <Mestapheles> powerpc
[07:28] <dijungal> ok
[07:28] <dijungal> mac
[07:28] <Mestapheles> an IBM chip.
[07:28] <dijungal> well folks it's been great... but i gots to run... :)
[07:28] <dijungal> thanx
[07:28] <Mestapheles> their top end servers are ppc,  infact many are
[07:28] <dijungal> k
[07:29] <Mestapheles> your game consoles are ppc too.  I think all of them are now.  xbox360, Cell, etc
[07:29] <gyaresu> WildBill, do you have the package w32codec installed?
[07:29] <WildBill> gyaresu, yep.  Like I said, I can play other vids just fine.
[07:30] <WildBill> This one blows up with a signal 11 in decode_audio when I go to play it
[07:30] <WildBill> but VLC and Totem-Xine play it fine
[07:30] <Centaur5> My wireless connection keeps timing out so I have to reboot to get it to work again, is there another way to do it?
[07:30] <Mestapheles> I'm still waiting for linux on the xbox360 with that G3.2 Ghz processor
[07:30] <c0_15_ri_cool_ab> hi
[07:30] <gyaresu> WildBill, ah. a little specific for a quck help :)
[07:31] <WildBill> heh
[07:31] <WildBill> yeha
[07:31] <gyaresu> WildBill, *quick
[07:31] <WildBill> just didn't know if anyone here knows much about it
[07:31] <Mestapheles> sorry I meant G5 #5 3.2Ghz xbox360
[07:31] <Mestapheles> G5 3.2Ghz xbox360
[07:31] <firebird619> Could anyone please help me with my modem problem. I have the drivers installed which I got from the manufacturer and wvdial keeps saying Modem Not Responding. Can anyone help me?
[07:31] <daybreaker> hey everyone. I just installed Ubuntu, and as my first trip into Linux Land, I think I'm doing ok.  One final problem:  I cant access shared folders on my Linux machine from a windows machine.  I can see it on the windows machine on the network explorer, but it asks for a login to get in to the linux box.  Any ideas? Thanks
[07:31] <gyaresu> WildBill, On the up side, at least something plays it.
[07:32] <jasmuz> firebird619: what modem is that?
[07:32] <firebird619> Intel 537EP
[07:32] <gyaresu> firebird619, love to help but gotta go soon. sorry.
[07:32] <WildBill> yeah, but I need all the speed I can get - I'm on an 867Mhz Crusoe
[07:32] <jasmuz> firebird619: what com port is it at?
[07:32] <WildBill> totem and vlc are just a touch choppy, while mplayer usually hums right along
[07:32] <firebird619> jasmuz: how do I tell?
[07:33] <jasmuz> daybreaker: did you try your login & pass?
[07:33] <tiglionabbit> I don't find totem to be choppy, but I do find gmplayer to crash
[07:33] <gyaresu> daybreaker, you are supposed to go to wiki.ubuntu.com but you can also try ubuntuguide.org
[07:33] <jasmuz> firebird619: did you use to have that modem under Win?...if so, do you remember where it was Com1, 2 or 3?
[07:34] <firebird619> gyaresu: thanks, you were helping me last night but I couldn't do what you suggested because I have no Internet access on Ubuntu.  I put in a different modem today hoping to solve the problem.
[07:34] <tiglionabbit> vlc is indeed a little bit choppy, but it doesn't use many system resources...
[07:34] <gyaresu> firebird619, externals are the troublefree way... if you have one.
[07:34] <firebird619> jasmuz: Yes, had it in windows but I have Ubuntu on a different PC.
[07:34] <gyaresu> firebird619, they are 'real' modems.
[07:35] <firebird619> gyaresu: yes, I know, I will have to eventually invest in one.
[07:35] <xkuseme> does anybody know what the package ubuntu-calendar does?
[07:35] <daybreaker> yeah, I tried all sorts of login/pass combos but none worked. Oh well. I'll check out the wiki
[07:35] <jasmuz> firebird619: did you try setting the device port ttyS0 to test firs?
[07:36] <jasmuz> xkuseme: its a calendar Ubuntu used to roll out with diferent images for your screen
[07:36] <gyaresu> daybreaker, preface your message with the name you are talking to. it help pop-up the window for that person.
[07:36] <xkuseme> jasmuz: used to? so i just got it. how do i start it?
[07:36] <gyaresu> daybreaker, (you can TAB complete the name also)
[07:36] <daybreaker> gyaresu: yeah, I just noticed that. Too used to MIRC, I guess. Thanks
[07:36] <jasmuz> xkuseme: just do a left click, and you should have some other wallpapers
[07:37] <abhayks> need some help on gdesklests
[07:37] <firebird619> jasmuz: you mean before I installed the drivers or after?  I left it at /dev/modem before driver install. After I installed the drivers, it said it would either be /dev/modem or /dev/537 and I tried both and it didn't work
[07:37] <jasmuz> abarbaccia: what is your issue?
[07:37] <trinidad> how do i find out the (hdX,Y) number for my partitions
[07:38] <abhayks> the frame along the launch icons is too big -- I have tried to configure it and make it small. No go
[07:38] <jasmuz> firebird619:  try wit /dev/ttyS0 up to ttyS2(wicha are the diferent comm ports)
[07:38] <gyaresu> daybreaker, past your smb.conf if you feel safe doing so... http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[07:38] <abhayks> is there some specific way to do it
[07:39] <frank> I'm trying to shrink a ntfs partition using gparted. It is not doing it yet I don't get an error message either. any ideas?
[07:39] <gyaresu> trinidad, fdisk -l /dev/hda (or /dev/sda for serial drive)
[07:39] <trinidad> HELP ! How do i find out the (hdX,Y) number for my partitions
[07:39] <gyaresu> trinidad, fdisk -l /dev/hda (or /dev/sda for serial drive)
[07:39] <firebird619> jasmuz: Do I try that with wvdial or what, When I tried with /dev/modem and /dev/537 I was using Networking under System ==> Administration. If I use wvdial, how do I specify the different ports?
[07:39] <tiglionabbit> trinidad: X is the number of the hard disk, and Y is the number of the partition, both 0 based and starting from the first in their order
[07:40] <tiglionabbit> trinidad: hda1 is hd0,0 for example
[07:40] <jasmuz> firebird619: you can configure the wvdial , with the wvdial.conf
[07:40] <abhayks> was my question regarding gdesklets tooo noob. If yes then please tell me where to get more info
[07:40] <trinidad> tiglionabbit, THANX MUCH!!
[07:41] <firebird619> jasmuz: Yes, I remember seeing that now. I will try those different ports and get back to you
[07:41] <trinidad> gyaresu, THANX MUCH!
[07:41] <gyaresu> trinidad, s'aight.
[07:41] <trinidad> ;)
[07:42] <jasmuz> abhayks: gdesklets has a page. ...i recomend you go read it
[07:42] <CaptainMorgan> anyone know how to get an Antheros card working in a thinkpad ?
[07:42] <abhayks> thanks jasmuz
[07:42] <CaptainMorgan> I recall a known issue with Atheros.. I forget where to look tho
[07:43] <XRayNuke> IIRC there was something about WPA not working in madwifi
[07:43] <xkuseme> hi does anybody know what the values of x and y in this comman do?
[07:43] <xkuseme> [#ubuntu]  hi does anybody know what the values of x and y in this comman do?
[07:43] <xkuseme> 
[07:43] <xkuseme> [#ubuntu]  hi does anybody know what the values of x and y in this comman do?
[07:44] <CaptainMorgan> stop that
[07:44] <xkuseme> splashimage (hdx,y)/boot/grub/images/ubuntu_foo.xpm.gz
[07:44] <xkuseme> sorry
[07:45] <gyaresu> xkuseme, (hd0,1) would be the first partition on the primary hdd
[07:45] <firebird619> jasmuz: I tried that, ttyS0 returned Device or resource busy, ttyS1 & ttyS2 returned Input/Output error
[07:45] <xkuseme> gyaresu: hmm ok where do you think should i place this as the splash image for grub
[07:45] <gyaresu> xkuseme, then presuming the /boot/ is on that partition it will find the file ubuntu_foo.xpm.gz
[07:45] <jasmuz> firebird619: then i have no clue as where your modem is allocated...
[07:46] <jasmuz> firebird619: run HAL device manager and see where its at
[07:46] <SDFH_Linux> does ubuntu pick up winmodems automatically?
[07:46] <SDFH_Linux> on laptops?
[07:46] <gyaresu> xkuseme, i don't think you should unless you are having grub wait for your decision.
[07:46] <gyaresu> xkuseme, cause if you set grub to auto boot then it's only on the screen for a second.
[07:46] <CaptainMorgan> SDFH>> Intel's worked right out of the box for me
[07:46] <jasmuz> SDFH_Linux: winmodems....NO
[07:47] <tiglionabbit> xkuseme: you put splash images in /boot/grub/images
[07:47] <xkuseme> gyaresu: oh ok, so only good for dual boot or different kernels
[07:47] <SDFH_Linux> arent most laptop 56k modems winmodems
[07:47] <jasmuz> CaptainMorgan: it all depends on the modem
[07:47] <jasmuz> SDFH_Linux: no
[07:47] <firebird619> jasmuz: I do not see it in the Device Manager
[07:47] <CaptainMorgan> what are you referring to jas?
[07:47] <gyaresu> xkuseme,  you can get grub to wait and not auto boot and then it would be worth it.
[07:47] <CaptainMorgan> you lost me.
[07:47] <jasmuz> firebird619: you have serious issues with that modem
[07:47] <xkuseme> gyaresu: how do you do that?
[07:48] <firebird619> jasmuz: The other modem I had installed before this one I could see in the Device Manager but that returned errors which I pasted last night in the Pastebin
[07:48] <gyaresu> xkuseme, what? stop the auto boot? 'man grub'
[07:48] <jasmuz> CaptainMorgan: not all modems for laptops are recognized
[07:48] <CaptainMorgan> obviously
[07:48] <CaptainMorgan> :)
[07:48] <CaptainMorgan> i don't think I said that..
[07:48] <gyaresu> xkuseme, you'll see a default boot option in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:49] <jasmuz> firebird619: :(
[07:49] <firebird619> jasmuz: Would I have had more luck with the other modem if HAL was seeing it
[07:50] <cafuego> or try the 'Boot' applet in Breezy ;-)
[07:50] <jasmuz> firebird619: what was the previous modem?
[07:50] <xkuseme> gyaresu: oh can i just set the wait time there?
[07:50] <gyaresu> xkuseme, aye. i'm just looking up to see if you set 0 that it waits... can't remember off the top of my head.
[07:51] <xkuseme> gyaresu: right now it's set to timeout 3
[07:51] <firebird619> jasmuz: I would have to put it in the PC to get the exact name but it was something to the effect of Conexant HSF 56k
[07:51] <dougmc> hello all... anyone know how to turn on gnome icon themes in firefox with ubuntu, they are on in fc4, but not ubuntu hoary or breezy afaik (i'm not talking about the gnomefx themes, but real icon theme support)
[07:51] <cafuego> dougmc: Do you have firefox-gnome installed?
[07:51] <co_ren_16> i can't speak english
[07:51] <firebird619> jasmuz: It was Conexant HSF 56k HSFi Modem. I found it written down on a piece of paper
[07:51] <hondje> co_ren_16: what do you speak?
[07:52] <dougmc> cafuego: yes, i'm on hoary running breezy backports version of fireforx
[07:52] <jasmuz> Conexant! :P
[07:52] <cafuego> dougmc: Hmm. Breezy might be broken, as well.
[07:52] <cafuego> (IS even)
[07:52] <jasmuz> firebird619: dude get yourself a decent modem
[07:52] <kafeine> firebird619, conexants are shitty little things
[07:52] <nalioth> howdy
[07:52] <dougmc> cafuego: the icon theme support was in prereleases of hoary, but then disappeared, haven't seen it come back in breezy just curious if theres a build option or something
[07:52] <firebird619> jasmuz: I just found the Intel Modem in HAL, it says Unknown but I know it is the modem
[07:53] <daybreaker> gyaresu: I just checked the wiki, and it told me to go into the general tab of my network settings, except half of the things they tell me to do arent there.  ie: They say to check the box that says "Enable windows sharing" but that box does not exist.
[07:53] <cafuego> dougmc: possible, does the changelog in /usr/share/doc/firefox(-gnome) mention it?
[07:53] <jasmuz> firebird619: did you check out the forums to see if anybody has made that one work
[07:53] <gyaresu> does anyone have a copy of sharethenet
[07:53] <hondje> firebird619: http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/
[07:54] <firebird619> hondje: I tried that link already, this drivers didn't work either
[07:54] <gyaresu> does anyone remember sharethenet? the website is down and firebird619 needs a copy.
[07:54] <hondje> is it a HCF modem?
[07:54] <firebird619> jasmuz: No I hadn't yet.
[07:54] <firebird619> hondje: HSF
[07:55] <hondje> hrm, 'should' work, but if their free drivers dont, then their pay ones wont either
[07:55] <adonim> new to it all... am I right here for a question about firefox flash plugin...?
[07:56] <jasmuz> adonim: what is the question at hand?
[07:56] <firebird619> jasmuz: Does this mean anything. In Networking under System ==> Administration. When it is set to /dev/modem and I click Modem Connection and then Activate, it does activate.
[07:56] <dougmc> cafuego: nothing specific, just new upstream release around the time it broke
[07:56] <adonim> can't make it run.... tried everything from the ubuntu help and forum
[07:56] <xkuseme> gyaresu: what is your timeout set to?
[07:57] <jasmuz> firebird619: nah, dosent mean much
[07:57] <adonim> uhm
[07:57] <firebird619> jasmuz: :(
[07:58] <nalioth> hondje: are you still here?
[07:58] <jasmuz> firebird619: ;(
[07:58] <hondje> adonim: if you have multiverse repositories set up, just open a terminal and type 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree'
[07:58] <hondje> nalioth: Naturally :)
[07:58] <adonim> have installed both files in pluin folder but still it doesn't recognize the flash plugin
[07:58] <adonim> uhm... new what is respri....?
[07:58] <nalioth> hondje: am in training for my new(est) job
[07:58] <hondje> adonim: okay, I jumped too far ahead :)
[07:58] <FlannelKing> firebird619, suggest googling for a copy of ShareTheNet
[07:58] <hondje> nalioth: oh yeah? Good one?
[07:58] <adonim> I open a terminal
[07:59] <nalioth> hondje: yes and no. taxi dispatcher
[07:59] <hondje> nalioth: hope that works out :) I haven't heard back on my supposed-to-happen next job
[08:00] <hondje> adonim: type 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree'  If it gives you an error, no problem
[08:00] <CaptainMorgan> Atheros & Ubuntu - Where do you suggest I look?
[08:00] <nalioth> taxi dispatching and s&m clubs are synonymous
[08:00] <hondje> hehehe
[08:00] <adonim> ok did the command line error back : cant find package...
[08:00] <jasmuz> CaptainMorgan: in the forums
[08:00] <artic_fox> I need to set an environmental variable
[08:00] <artic_fox> for everybody
[08:00] <hondje> adonim: Easy to fix. Type 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'
[08:00] <CaptainMorgan> Ubuntu forums?
[08:00] <artic_fox> RUBYOPT=-rubyopts
[08:00] <hondje> !repos
[08:00] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:01] <jasmuz> CaptainMorgan: yes
[08:01] <firebird619> Is one 56k external modem better than the other?
[08:01] <hondje> hey, everything is there :)
[08:01] <adonim> error None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[08:01] <CaptainMorgan> thank's jaz
[08:01] <hondje> hrm, that's not normal
[08:01] <adonim> but a window opened
[08:01] <hondje> does it have text in it?
[08:02] <nalioth> hondje: dont forget the answere to the md5 question !usrepos
[08:02] <jasmuz> firebird619: i recommend you get a US Robotics 56k
[08:02] <gyaresu> firebird619, any external modem will do fine (usually). because they do the DAC digital to analogue conversion in hardware not software.
[08:02] <hondje> nalioth: nice :)
[08:02] <artic_fox> do I put it in environment?
[08:02] <artic_fox> /etc/environment
[08:03] <artic_fox> anyone know?
[08:03] <nalioth> ok now, where are the @ops?
[08:03] <crimsun> hmm?
[08:04] <Jesse1> any1 know where i can get wm 10 codecs w32codecs doesnt have them
[08:04] <IceDC571> i dont think you can.. unless you use wine
[08:04] <nalioth> Jesse1: you can get them from the source www.mplayerhq.hu
[08:05] <nalioth> crimsun: is this just bad client settings?
[08:05] <cafuego> Gee, no wonde rit's slow, this box is using 1.5GB swap
[08:06] <aedwards__> i just installed ubuntu and my sound isnt working what can i do to correct this?,
[08:06] <hondje> adonim: still there?
[08:06] <crimsun> nalioth: no, looks like a deliberate attempt from the varied idents
[08:06] <aedwards__> i have a cmedia sound card....with 5.1 surround on it
[08:06] <adonim> oops was waiting ... guess I figured irc out now - the window openene was sources.list
[08:07] <hondje> adonim: No problem.  Do you see a line like    #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe ?
[08:07] <nalioth> crimsun: (un)fortunately, i'm not savvy on this subject, but i do see something is wrong
[08:07] <adonim> yes
[08:07] <crimsun> aedwards__: paste the output of amixer onto the pastebin in the topic
[08:08] <adonim> this one? deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[08:08] <aedwards__> well my kaffeine player wont use sound but my system sound works fine
[08:08] <hondje> adonim: No, but I thought of an easier way to get you going :)
[08:08] <adonim> oh this one, huh  deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:08] <aedwards__> my audio on kaff is set to auto
[08:08] <hondje> yep, that one :)
[08:08] <karsten> Is Ubuntu supported on a PM7200/120 (Mac)?
[08:08] <jasmuz> take care yall
[08:09] <crimsun> aedwards__: are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[08:09] <hondje> adonim: just add multiverse after universe, and then save the file
[08:09] <adonim> do I go there and say good bye and thnak your??
[08:09] <aedwards__> Ubuntu...5.04
[08:09] <adonim> oh
[08:09] <tiglionabbit> crimsun: I'm using both.  apt-get install ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop
[08:09] <cafuego> karsten: if you can get BootX to work, it should work OK.
[08:09] <crimsun> aedwards__: ok, then you need to configure Kaffeine to use esound (if you can)
[08:09] <karsten> cafuego: Danke.
[08:09] <hondje> adonim: then all you have to do is run in a terminal 'sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree'
[08:09] <cafuego> karsten: I can't be arsed to boot up one of mine to check, though.
[08:09] <adonim> ok added and saved
[08:10] <benkong2> hey anybody got a good set of repos? getthis error:W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cyrus21-imapd/cyrus21-pop3d_2.1.17-3ubuntu2_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[08:10] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[08:10] <cafuego> 7200s were LEMONS
[08:10] <ubotu> I guess sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[08:10] <XRayNuke> karsten: if it is, it's gonna be SLOW. I've run various versions of Linux on a Power Mac 6500, which is twice as fast and uses a more recent processor, and it was only semi-usable.
[08:10] <nalioth> !usrepos
[08:10] <ubotu> usrepos is, like, if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:10] <crimsun> benkong2: see the topic
[08:10] <aedwards__> how do i do that crim?
[08:10] <firebird619> gyaresu: Do you have cable Internet or dial-up. If dial-up, what modem do you have that works with Ubuntu
[08:10] <nalioth> benkong2: read what ubotu said about usrepos
[08:10] <karsten> cafuego: Got a reference on that?
[08:10] <benkong2> crimsun, sorry for the paste
[08:10] <XRayNuke> cafuego: they were the first PCI Power Macs, first rev of anything is gonna be flakier than a good baklava
[08:10] <crimsun> aedwards__: it may be in Kaffeine's preferences
[08:10] <karsten> XRayNuke: Thanks, that was my next question.  What're specs on that box?
[08:11] <karsten> XRayNuke: ...and what desktop(s) did you try?  I've found XFCE4 is a *lot* faster than GNOME>
[08:11] <cafuego> karsten: the bootx thing? /msg me your email address
[08:11] <XRayNuke> karsten: uh, PowerPC 601, 120 MHz, 3 PCI slots, ADB, SCSI, forget what else.
[08:11] <cafuego> karsten: just posted to ubuntu-users on monday
[08:11] <XRayNuke> I was using GNOME, so your mileage may vary.
[08:11] <adonim> wow... something was downloading...
[08:11] <benkong2> crimsun, nalioth thanks
[08:11] <XRayNuke> lemme get you some stats.
[08:11] <cafuego> karsten: How much ram does it have anbd do you have an OS7.x CD?
[08:11] <aedwards__> ive looked and i cant see them
[08:11] <hondje> adonim: that'll update the list of available software, then install flash and configure it
[08:12] <XRayNuke> fun 7200 fact: if you flip the board over, there's a face on the underside.
[08:12] <hondje> adonim: it's all quite magical :)
[08:12] <adonim> theres one error: Reading package lists... Done
[08:12] <adonim> bash: sude: command not found
[08:12] <karsten> cafuego: NFC.  This is an Earthlink luser running NS 4.8 / IE 3.5 on a Mac OS 8.6.
[08:12] <cafuego> karsten: Ok,
[08:12] <cafuego> karsten: Ok, prolly at least 64mb then
[08:12] <karsten> XRayNuke: How much memory standard / max.
[08:12] <hondje> adonim: oh, sude should be sudo :)
[08:12] <crimsun> !tell AlbanianLord about alsa-source
[08:12] <gyaresu> firebird619, i have had every external modem work with linux.
[08:12] <aedwards__> its okay ill mess with it tomorrow...thanks for you help
[08:12] <aedwards__> night all
[08:12] <XRayNuke> karsten: it is to your direct benefit to cram that thing with as much RAM as you can get. They shipped with like 8 MB.
[08:13] <karsten> hondje: No, no, no, I want my blue sude shoes....
[08:13] <cafuego> karsten: google 'GURU ram'
[08:13] <hondje> [ba-dum] 
[08:13] <XRayNuke> karsten: http://lowendmac.com/ppc/7200.shtml
[08:13] <karsten> XRayNuke: Heh.
[08:13] <adonim> so I scroll back and do again without typo..?
[08:13] <hondje> adonim: yep :)
[08:13] <gyaresu> firebird619, it just gets recognised.
[08:13] <firebird619> gyaresu: Yes, I am sure all externals work, I was just wondering if you or anyone has an internal modem that they've got to work with Ubuntu
[08:13] <karsten> XRayNuke: When did that unit ship?  I'm thinking mid-1990s.
[08:13] <adonim> ok... this will take I am slow because tired ... 1st day with ubuntu my poor head... THANK YOU !!!!
[08:14] <hondje> adonim: no problem
[08:14] <gyaresu> firebird619, sorry. been some years since i've needed too.
[08:14] <XRayNuke> karsten: you're thinking right. 1995
[08:14] <hondje> firebird619: I have, but it's a PITA
[08:14] <hondje> I have an external modem, I use that when I need it
[08:14] <adonim> now i typed: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[08:14] <adonim> and got this:
[08:14] <karsten> XRayNuke: Danke.
[08:15] <adonim> Couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfree
[08:15] <XRayNuke> you can get old apple specs here. http://www.info.apple.com/support/applespec.legacy/index.html
[08:15] <gyaresu> adonim, 'apt-cache search flashpluging'
[08:16] <XRayNuke> It's not a bad machine but honestly you probably should be running System 7 on it.
[08:16] <FlannelKing> adonim, minus the last g
[08:16] <nalioth> adonim: just search for the word "flash"
[08:16] <XRayNuke> unless you're using it as a router or something.
[08:16] <gyaresu> adonim, you need to add the backports entry into your /etc/apt/sources.list file i would guess.
[08:16] <adonim> did the first line... is searching something
[08:17] <adonim> did search on flash
[08:17] <hondje> adonim: open a terminal and cut and paste this in: wget http://www.hondje.net/~hondje/sources.list ; sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.backup ; sudo cp sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list ; sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[08:17] <hondje> gyaresu: it's in multiverse :)
[08:18] <adonim> wow its moving...
[08:19] <firebird619> gyaresu: What external modem is best to get: serial or USB
[08:19] <adonim> arg...: Reading package lists... Done
[08:19] <adonim> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_restricted_binary-powerpc_Packages)
[08:19] <adonim> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[08:19] <adonim> Reading package lists... Done
[08:19] <adonim> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:19] <adonim> E: Couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfree
[08:19] <firebird619> gyaresu: I would guess USB but thought I would ask.
[08:19] <gyaresu> hondje, thanks. sorry adonim.
[08:19] <gyaresu> firebird619, SERIAL!!!!!!!
[08:19] <hondje> adonim: okay, sudo apt-get update ; apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[08:19] <gyaresu> firebird619, :)
[08:20] <firebird619> gyaresu: OK, Thanks :)
[08:20] <gyaresu> firebird619, serial's been working A1 for a million years and you arn't worried about bandwidth.
[08:20] <adonim> thank you! done, but: E: Couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfree
[08:20] <hondje> that's odd
[08:20] <gyaresu> adonim, where are you in the world?
[08:21] <adonim> yap... since 6 hours for me...  THANKs
[08:21] <adonim> Im in Denver
[08:21] <gyaresu> adonim, someone might share their sources.list file.
[08:21] <crimsun> adonim: it's in multiverse.
[08:21] <hondje> adonim: hehe, I'm in Pueblo
[08:21] <crimsun> adonim: and see the topic to fix your md5sum errors.
[08:21] <hondje> gyaresu: I just gave him one in that little cut 'n paste
[08:21] <adonim> ok... not sure waht i should do....!?
[08:21] <gyaresu> hondje, too damn helpfull arn't you ;)
[08:22] <hondje> Ubuntu spirit, baby ;-)
[08:22] <crimsun> adonim: System> Preferences> Synaptic> Settings> Repositories> Add> check both that are unchecked
[08:22] <adonim> I feel rather helpless..:-)
[08:22] <hondje> I just removed and reinstalled it
[08:22] <hondje> so this is strange, maybe I borked the sources.list
[08:22] <Bloodmyst> Hmm.. does anyone have any patience to help someone with a dri kernel modification?
[08:22] <hondje> nope, they have multiverse
[08:23] <gyaresu> crimsun, I'm glad someone here knows how to drive a GUI (cause i don't)    :)
[08:23] <crimsun> !tell AlbanianLord about alsa-source
[08:23] <adonim> check marked the respiratiries...
[08:24] <adonim> it updated something
[08:24] <gyaresu> Bloodmyst, sorry, no.
[08:24] <crimsun> adonim: now search for and install flashplugin-nonfree
[08:24] <Bloodmyst> Heh
[08:25] <adonim> ok...!?
[08:25] <nalioth> gyaresu: guis are overrated
[08:25] <Burgundavia> nalioth, no they are not
[08:25] <Bloodmyst> Okay then, next question.  Anyone know anything about savage driver support in Hoary?
[08:26] <adonim> like this line?... apt-cache search flashplugin
[08:26] <firebird619> gyaresu: Just to let you know, in the Ubuntu Forums I found this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36762&highlight=Modems which is a person with the same Intel 537EP modem as me and he has downloads and steps to install.
[08:26] <gyaresu> nalioth, especially when they tell you stuff-all "no modem detected" etc.
[08:26] <nalioth> Burgundavia: to each their own, i guess i can rest comfortably knowing how to navigate using both interfaces
[08:26] <hondje> adonim: yep :)
[08:26] <crimsun> adonim: no, after you enable those two unchecked repositories, you can just sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
[08:26] <gyaresu> firebird619, nice one man. now you are the internal modem guru :0
[08:26] <Burgundavia> nalioth, my step-mother likes guis
[08:27] <adonim> it's unpacking...
[08:27] <adonim> arrrrg:  Initializing package states... Done
[08:27] <adonim> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:27] <adonim> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:27] <firebird619> I will let you know if it works.
[08:27] <firebird619> gyaresu: I will let you know if it works
[08:27] <gyaresu> firebird619, do. that's interesting.
[08:28] <nalioth> Burgundavia: my mother was a hardcore terminal user until i showed her a gui (an ancient KDE)
[08:28] <gyaresu> adonim, you are apt-get'ing in another terminal?
[08:28] <hondje> adonim: is synaptic still open?
[08:28] <adonim> i close them all open new terminal
[08:28] <hondje> ok, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree ?
[08:29] <gyaresu> hondje, adonim see, there's that darn GUI getting in the way again.
[08:29] <crimsun> he can search for and install flashplugin-nonfree from within Synaptic
[08:29] <hondje> I think synaptic is a good idea for newbies...the whole concept of package management is really hard to grok for someone coming from windows
[08:29] <adonim> so sorry... what' GUI...?
[08:30] <gyaresu> adonim, ignore me.
[08:30] <hondje> he means synaptic :)
[08:30] <adonim> ok run the line again and got:  Initializing package states... Done
[08:30] <adonim> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "flashplugin-nonfree"
[08:30] <adonim> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[08:30] <adonim> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:30] <adonim> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
[08:30] <adonim> Writing extended state information... Done
[08:30] <adonim> Reading package lists... Done
[08:30] <adonim> Building dependency tree
[08:30] <adonim> Reading extended state information
[08:30] <adonim> Initializing package states... Done
[08:31] <gyaresu> adonim, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[08:31] <hondje> whoops, don't cut and paste in this channel :) ~400 people and it gets to be too much :)
[08:31] <adonim> in the tbrowser now?
[08:32] <adonim> oops browser...?
[08:32] <hondje> adonim: for long error messages, use that link or use #flood
[08:33] <hondje> I just don't get it, though...you ran my little thing, which gave you multiverse, you ran apt-get update twice, it SHOULD be installing fine
[08:33] <thomas> !repositori
[08:33] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, thomas
[08:33] <thomas> !repositoris
[08:33] <ubotu> thomas: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:33] <adonim> I thank you all sooo much... i give up for today... I am dead as dead can be...again, thank you!
[08:33] <thomas> !reposito*
[08:33] <ubotu> thomas: Are you smoking crack?
[08:33] <hondje> no problem. If you get bored, drive down here and bring me a beer ;-)
[08:33] <thomas> ??
[08:33] <thomas> am i right ?
[08:33] <thomas> where to get rpositori list ?
[08:34] <hondje> !repositories
[08:34] <ubotu> methinks repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:34] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[08:34] <ubotu> methinks sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[08:34] <thomas> ohh
[08:34] <thomas> :)
[08:34] <AlbanianLord> PROBLEM SOLVED YES!!!!!
[08:34] <darmou> Does anyone know if there is a zope2.8 pakage for ubuntu?
[08:35] <hondje> !show zope
[08:35] <ubotu> hondje: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:35] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: don't you ever sleep?
[08:35] <hondje> hrm
[08:35] <hondje> !info zope
[08:36] <ubotu> zope: (Open Source Web Application Server), section universe/web, is optional. Version: 2.6.4-1.6ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 2554 kB, Installed size: 13848 kB
[08:36] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: sometimes
[08:36] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: i wonder sometimes
[08:36] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: I spend way too much time in here though
[08:36] <darmou> ok just had a look the breezy list 2.7 is the lastest ver sigh
[08:36] <hondje> ubuntu tweekin
[08:36] <gyaresu> !alsa
[08:36] <ubotu> gyaresu: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:36] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: i doubt that
[08:36] <gyaresu> just checking
[08:36] <nalioth> gyaresu: try !info alsa
[08:36] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: why?
[08:36] <gyaresu> !info alsa
[08:36] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: just wondering
[08:37] <nalioth> did we kill the bot?
[08:37] <crimsun> gyaresu: what do you need w/ alsa?
[08:37] <crimsun> (there's no 'alsa' package)
[08:37] <tiglionabbit> !info pornview
[08:37] <ubotu> pornview: (Image and movie viewer/manager), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 0.2pre1-4 (hoary), Packaged size: 224 kB, Installed size: 676 kB
[08:37] <tiglionabbit> no, ubotu's still there
[08:37] <nalioth> !good bot
[08:37] <ubotu> thanks nalioth :)
[08:37] <tiglionabbit> !bad bot
[08:37] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:37] <tiglionabbit> aw
[08:37] <gyaresu> crimsun, multiple threads ( i can't get xmms and xine/mplayer etc. to play together)
[08:38] <crimsun> gyaresu: are you using esound?
[08:38] <tiglionabbit> say, how come it says your name when you say that?
[08:38] <tiglionabbit> ubotu forget good bot
[08:38] <ubotu> thanks tiglionabbit :)
[08:38] <tiglionabbit> ??
[08:38] <gyaresu> crimsun, plus i'm interested in what 'bang'things there are.
[08:38] <tiglionabbit> preprogrammed command i guess
[08:38] <tiglionabbit> ubotu good bot is something nalioth just said.
[08:38] <ubotu> thanks tiglionabbit :)
[08:38] <tiglionabbit> darn
[08:39] <tiglionabbit> can't write over it
[08:39] <gyaresu> crimsun, yes (don't worry i havn't looked into it yet)
[08:39] <gyaresu> crimsun, is there a gumby help page for sound?
[08:39] <crimsun> gyaresu: then just configure xmms to use the esound output plugin in its preferences
[08:39] <crimsun> gyaresu: do the same for mplayer and xine
[08:40] <gyaresu> crimsun, ooh. right. fun stuff.
[08:40] <tiglionabbit> say guys, wanna see an interesting windows dialog I encountered recently?  http://pridelands.org/~spinifex/zomgprotected.jpg
[08:42] <scanwinder> does anyone know what the default port for Ares is?
[08:42] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: thanks for reminding us what we're (not) missing!
[08:42] <tiglionabbit> hehe
[08:42] <hondje> ewww
[08:42] <hondje> I forgot how ugly windows is :)
[08:43] <tiglionabbit> the best part is that the folder I was moving was actually called "shared music"
[08:43] <Bloodmyst> Any Savage video card users enter while I was gone?
[08:44] <cafuego> ubotu: forget good bot
[08:44] <ubotu> thanks cafuego :)
[08:44] <cafuego> ubotu: stupid bot
[08:44] <ubotu> stupid cafuego
[08:44] <tiglionabbit> ya can't do it
[08:44] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: yes I can, I can perform an 'rm -rf' lobotomy ;-)
[08:44] <Madpilot> tiglionabbit: always disliked all that "My Documents" default junk. it just got worse in XP...
[08:44] <tiglionabbit> cafuego: that's not very nice..
[08:45] <Burgundavia> My prefix is being dropped for Longhorn
[08:45] <cafuego> tiglionabbit: Nevertheless
[08:45] <cafuego> Burgundavia: Yes, now it will be "Microsoft's Documents"
[08:45] <tiglionabbit> Madpilot: I heard M$ has announced in their next windows version they're going to stop saying "my" in front of everything
[08:45] <cafuego> Burgundavia: And "MPAA's Movies"
[08:45] <tiglionabbit> rofl
[08:45] <gyaresu> crimsun, just change to esd under sys >> pref >> multi and within xmms xine etc? and that should work? (not getting any sound, maybe a reboot)
[08:45] <cafuego> Burgundavia: There might be a "My Licenses"
[08:46] <Burgundavia> cafuego, and Our Programs
[08:46] <crimsun> gyaresu: pretty much
[08:46] <Madpilot> ... but you'll find yourself short of Your Money when buying Longhonk...
[08:47] <tiglionabbit> and of course hacked versions of windows would include "Bob Dole's Warez"
[08:47] <gyaresu> crimsun, thanks.
[08:47] <crimsun> gyaresu: can you hear anything at all? System sounds?
[08:47] <gyaresu> crimsun, nope.
[08:47] <cafuego> Burgundavia: And handwriting support, so you can SIGN agreements before using stuff.
[08:48] <crimsun> gyaresu: cat /proc/asound/cards
[08:49] <gyaresu> crimsun, they were working under alsa as default source.
[08:50] <gyaresu> crimsun, i gotta go out for an hour so i'll drop back in here later.
[08:50] <gyaresu> crimsun, cheers.
[08:51] <poningru> um I had a question
[08:51] <poningru> http://www.openclipart.org/cgi-bin/navigate/logos?page=2
[08:51] <poningru> are those ubuntu logos public domain?
[08:51] <crimsun> gyaresu: you'll have to catch me later.
[08:51] <poningru> I thought those were owned by the foundation?
[08:51] <salapoliisi> hi, last night i installed ubuntu on my mini-itx pc, it seemed to work fine, then i shut it down, today i took it with me in the work and now when i try to boot it stops loading and says something like kernel panic, is there anything to do, or do i have to reinstall it?
[08:51] <gyaresu> crimsun, just letting you know i appreciate the help :)
[08:53] <poningru> salapoliisi: any new hardware?
[08:53] <poningru> anything new you did?
[08:53] <poningru> any wierd hardware? like a sata drive or something?
[08:53] <salapoliisi> poningru: i did take ide cd-drive off
[08:53] <poningru> ooh
[08:53] <poningru> dont know why that would cause a prob
[08:53] <poningru> that shouldnt in a normal setting
[08:54] <poningru> I am not familiar with mini itx or its effects on ubuntu
[08:54] <salapoliisi> neither am i :D
[08:54] <salapoliisi> so changin' stuff will cause kernel panic?
[08:55] <salapoliisi> is there some way to reconfigure that
[08:55] <vinux> salapoliisi, if you eat cookies infront of ubuntu without sharing often it will shutdown and sometimes not come up for like 10min. Now I have to eat my cookies in the other room
[08:55] <poningru> rofl
[08:55] <poningru> salapoliisi: it shouldnt cause problem
[08:55] <salapoliisi> well i don't eat cookies, so there shouldn't be problem
[08:56] <poningru> haha I hope you know he was kidding
[08:56] <SDFH_Linux> i want cookie
[08:56] <vinux> :) yes yes that was a joke
[08:56] <salapoliisi> oh i really did think that computers can eat cookies!
[08:57] <xkuseme> hi one maybe stupid question, to install screensavers in gnome is there a way in the menu or do i need t compile them
[08:57] <Madpilot> put the cookies in the CDROM tray. close it. those grinding sounds are the computer chewing...
[08:57] <poningru> hahaha
[08:57] <poningru> if only I could tell that to people
[08:58] <Madpilot> that's why salapoliisi's computer isn't working. it can't eat cookies w/o a CDROM drive
[08:58] <Madpilot> so it's sulking...
[08:58] <salapoliisi> if i add usb-cdrom and give him some cookies will he work again?
[08:58] <SDFH_Linux> lol
[08:59] <salapoliisi> oh my god, how did you do that? it said *GRMMMRR* for a sec
[09:00] <Madpilot> ... chewing ...
[09:00] <salapoliisi> so you can feed cookies trough internet huh? thats cool
[09:01] <salapoliisi> but hey really, is there anything to do, or do i have to reinstall ubuntu?
[09:04] <Madpilot> xkuseme: there are dozens of screensavers included in Ubuntu. System --> Pref --> Screensaver
[09:04] <vinux> Hey guys I got a real problem I just install ubuntu on my computer and well Now I can't find my windows media player and I can't find my Internet explorer eaither! And I think i really messed up as in I think I mistakenly hacked into some guys computer. I keep seeing his name "Gnome" everywhere
[09:04] <Madpilot> salapoliisi: sorry, dumb jokes is about my technical limit...
[09:04] <xkuseme> Madpilot: yeah but i found a cool one online, so wonder how i install it
[09:05] <acid2> How do I log in to a svn server?
[09:05] <acid2> like doing "cvs ... login"
[09:05] <Madpilot> xkuseme: sorry, no idea...
[09:06] <FlannelKing> acid2, you need a svn client
[09:06] <acid2> Cant I use svn from the command prompt?
[09:06] <firebird619> Can someone help me? I am trying to install my modem but first I must apply a patch to the modem driver. I enter the directory the patch is in by it keeps telling me No Such File Or Directory. I know the directory exists, why does it keep telling me this
[09:06] <FlannelKing> that would count as a client, yes
[09:06] <acid2> thats what I mean
[09:06] <acid2> but there doesnt seem to be a login command
[09:07] <firebird619> I am doing this through the root terminal because I cannot login as root. It says Invalid Password.
[09:07] <HrdwrBoB> that's right
[09:07] <HrdwrBoB> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:08] <FlannelKing> acid2, you specify name/pass with the commands (type svn checkout help, for instance)
[09:08] <acid2> ah, ok
[09:09] <FlannelKing> acid2, actually, I think if you just try to checkout, it will prompt you (and then after that, your login will be cached for a bit), try reading the redbean book
[09:09] <FlannelKing> acid2, yeah, acutally, it will prompt you if you dont include one, and then cache it for [who knows how long] 
[09:09] <acid2> FlannelKing, ah, well - I got it now :)
[09:09] <acid2> thanks!
[09:10] <alex__> how can i find my root password?
[09:10] <FlannelKing> alex__, have you set it yet?
[09:10] <alex__> im pretty sure i didn't
[09:10] <alex__> how can i?
[09:10] <The_Vox> alex__: there's no such thing by default
[09:10] <FlannelKing> Then you dont have one yet
[09:10] <FlannelKing> !root
[09:10] <alex__> oh
[09:10] <ubotu> [root]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:10] <alex__> no wonder
[09:10] <The_Vox> alex__: you use sudo
[09:11] <FlannelKing> alex__, read that
[09:11] <alex__> to install vsftpd it wont let me
[09:12] <str> Hi all...
[09:12] <str> I have a quiestion about the repositories...
[09:12] <Computer__Guru> You're gonna get coal in your stocking cause you're yuppie scum
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> just means more gifts for me
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> keep pissin santa off :)
[09:13] <str> is the same to have one line with:
[09:13] <str> deb http://gt.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[09:13] <karsten> str: They're different from suppositories...
[09:13] <salapoliisi> hey, any idea what the error means? "sbin/init: 428 cannot open dev/console: no such file - kernel panic blaa blaa"
[09:13] <riesco> algum brasileiro ?
[09:14] <str> than 2 lines  one with hoary, and one with univers?
[09:14] <karsten> salapoliisi: When did that happen?  On boot?
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> there are 4 universe sources in total
[09:14] <salapoliisi> karsten: yeah, it stops there and won't start
[09:14] <karsten> str: hoary and universe are  *different8 reepositories.
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> msg me and illc at you a good list
[09:14] <karsten> salapoliisi: What comes before that?
[09:14] <str> karsten: but... can I have them both in the same line?
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> no
[09:15] <Computer__Guru> i dont think so
[09:15] <karsten> salapoliisi: Sounds as if you may not have a /dev, whiich may suggest you don't have a filesystem, possibly.
[09:15] <karsten> str: No.
[09:15] <Computer__Guru> why would you anyways? would just be confusing
[09:15] <Computer__Guru> hi dev
[09:15] <salapoliisi> karsten: so that means i have to reinstall
[09:15] <spermie_> how do i change konsol settings on kubuntu as root??
[09:15] <salapoliisi> karsten: pivot_root: no such thing
[09:15] <spermie_> Hey Computer__Guru
[09:15] <karsten> salapoliisi: Well, how about quoting the error instead of paraphrasing it.
[09:16] <karsten> salapoliisi: Sounds like a bad initrd.  Boot your install disk we should be able to fix this.
[09:16] <karsten> salapoliisi: What's your hardware?  PC or Mac?
[09:16] <Computer__Guru> mount -t coitusfs /dev/man /dev/woman && cat /dev/spermie >>/dev/egg && /sbin/fertilize
[09:16] <salapoliisi> karsten: pc mini-itx
[09:16] <Computer__Guru> err
[09:16] <FlannelKing> str, you need hoary and universe on the same line, one indicates version (hoary, as opposed to breezy or warty) and then the repos (universe)
[09:16] <karsten> salapoliisi: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-8050.html
[09:17] <Computer__Guru> it's /dev/man on /mnt/woman
[09:17] <salapoliisi> karsten: it it worked just fine last night when i installed it, but now when i took it to work, it won't boot anymore, only thing i did change was removing ide cd-rom
[09:17] <karsten> salapoliisi: Scroll down to "WOO! WE HAVE A SOLUTION!"
[09:17] <str> FlannelKing: but do I need to have "hoary universe" and  "hoary multiverse" and "main restricted" in diferent lines?   or can I join them in one line?
[09:18] <Computer__Guru> str: msg me and I will provide you with a good sources.list
[09:18] <karsten> salapoliisi: Boot the install disk as your first step.  Let me know when you're ready or if you're going to blow me off, in which case I'll catch up on sleep.
[09:18] <hondje> !java
[09:18] <ubotu> from memory, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[09:18] <spermie_> ount: mount point /dev/woman does not exist
[09:18] <spermie_> spermie@Spermie:~$
[09:18] <salapoliisi> karsten: so i need cd-rom at this point :D
[09:18] <riesco> !grub
[09:18] <ubotu> from memory, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[09:19] <karsten> str: man sources.list.  That tells you the format of the sources.list file.
[09:19] <karsten> salapoliisi: This would make progress eminantly more likely.
[09:19] <karsten> spermie_: dd if=/dev/rib of=/dev/woman
[09:19] <salapoliisi> i have to hunt one from somewhere...
[09:19] <Computer__Guru> spermie_: i guess mount -t masturbation /dev/man /mnt/porno && cat /dev/spermie >>/dev/napkin
[09:19] <FlannelKing> str, you can have them on the same line, well, itd be "hoary universe multiverse restricted", but you might as well have them on different lines (so you can comment them out easier)
[09:20] <Computer__Guru> && /sbin/imagine
[09:20] <karsten> Computer__Guru: I like my answer better.
[09:20] <FlannelKing> salapoliisi, you can boot from the network... theres instructions around here somewhere
[09:20] <salapoliisi> karsten: wouldn't it be easyer if i just reinstall after finding that cd-rom?
[09:20] <hondje> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingCompilers <--- did I miss anything obvious?
[09:20] <karsten> salapoliisi: No.
[09:20] <salapoliisi> FlannelKing: but i need machine to boot from :D
[09:20] <str> FlannelKing: so... it is ok to have  one line like this:     deb http://gt.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[09:21] <karsten> salapoliisi: You need to create a fixed initrd.  That's a minimal initial filesystem used to load modules.  Yours got hosed.
[09:21] <str> FlannelKing: and there i should have everything, exept the backports... right?
[09:21] <karsten> salapoliisi: In general, there's little need to reinstall Ubuntu.
[09:21] <karsten> salapoliisi: ...and you'll need to find that disk either way.
[09:21] <FlannelKing> str for hoary, not security or updates, but yes
[09:21] <karsten> bbiam...  installing an HD...
[09:22] <firebird619> Am I suppose to have these on my PC:     /boot/vmlinuz.autoconf.h and /boot/vmlinuz.version.h
[09:22] <str> FlannelKing: for securitys i nedd only this...deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted      <<--- Right?
[09:22] <spermie_> why was u all messing with me
[09:22] <spermie_> ?
[09:22] <Computer__Guru> str: you got all that, right?
[09:23] <FlannelKing> str I believe thats the syntax, you might also want universe
[09:23] <str> FlannelKing:  for hoary, not security or updates, but yes   <-- what do you mean with "updates" ?
[09:24] <FlannelKing> str as in, hoary-updates
[09:24] <str> FlannelKing: so.. this should be THE  line, right?    deb http://gt.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary hoary-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[09:25] <FlannelKing> str no, give the updates their own line, and it'll ONLY be main and restricted
[09:26] <FlannelKing> str, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[09:27] <eliUbuntu> anyone know much about dma?
[09:27] <hondje> I love dma
[09:28] <Whistler> what do i need to program cpp un ubuntu?
[09:28] <eliUbuntu> could it cause .ICEauthority to become problematic?
[09:28] <hondje> Whistler: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingCompilers
[09:28] <firebird619> Am I suppose to have these on my PC:     /boot/vmlinuz.autoconf.h and /boot/vmlinuz.version.h
[09:29] <hondje> Whistler: I just made that, if it's missing something you need, let me know
[09:29] <Panzerboy> morning all
[09:29] <Amaranth> anyone wanna play 'desktop screenshots' again?
[09:29] <Hackmo> hey can anyone help me get my webcam working?  it's a phillips toucam pro2 and accroding to the ubuntu site should work out of the box, but it doesn't.  I've posted on the fourms but had no reply
[09:30] <hondje> Amaranth: I love that game
[09:30] <Amaranth> i'll open with http://www.realistanew.com/desktop.png
[09:30] <Amaranth> i win!
[09:30] <hondje> :(
[09:30] <hondje> 2 out of 3?
[09:30] <Amaranth> hehe
[09:30] <Amaranth> show me yours
[09:30] <Whistler> hondje k
[09:30] <BeatYou-z> how do you change the port for vsftpd
[09:30] <eliUbuntu> firebird619: i do not have those files on my computer. what version of ubuntu are you using?
[09:30] <hondje> Amaranth: damn, you DO win
[09:30] <firebird619> 5.04
[09:31] <FlannelKing> Hackmo, does it get recognized at all? (you see messages when you unplug/replug in a console)
[09:31] <Amaranth> hondje: cristina scabbia from lacuna coil
[09:31] <firebird619> I am trying to install my modem and for those two things it says No Such File Or Directory but beings it says that I am guessing I need them to install my modem
[09:31] <eliUbuntu> hmm... did you install anything recently that made this catch your attention?
[09:31] <Amaranth> hondje: plus the ubuntu logo, beagle, the icon theme, etc :D
[09:31] <eliUbuntu> oh
[09:31] <hondje> I noticed the beagle
[09:31] <Whistler> hondje so installed compiler so how should i create programs?
[09:31] <FlannelKing> Hackmo, a real console, not one inside of gnome
[09:31] <hondje> Lacuna Coil...my brother was mentioning them
[09:31] <eliUbuntu> i bet my screen beats yours :P
[09:32] <Amaranth> show me
[09:32] <FlannelKing> Whistler, gedit? vim? emacs?  any text editor
[09:32] <firebird619> eliUbuntu: I am trying to install my modem and for those two things it says No Such File Or Directory but beings it says that I am guessing I need them to install my modem. Thats is how I noticed they weren't there, I tried to install my modem.
[09:32] <eliUbuntu> where do i upload it?
[09:32] <Amaranth> imagebucket?
[09:32] <Amaranth> flickr?
[09:32] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[09:32] <Whistler> FlannelKing i know this but how i make source code a program?
[09:32] <Hackmo> FlannerlKing: yeah it gets recognized if it is plugged in during bootup, when I run lsusb it shows me the name of the cam, but if I un-plug it and then plug it back in it wont pick it up and when I run lusb again it just hangs
[09:32] <eliUbuntu> firebird619: that is beyond me. my wlan automatically installed without a problem
[09:32] <Hackmo> FlannelKing* ^
[09:33] <glick> hello
[09:33] <Madpilot> eliUbuntu: http://www.imageshack.us/
[09:33] <eliUbuntu> firebird619: did you look in the wiki pages on ubuntu?
[09:33] <Amaranth> hondje: she sings better than she looks, you should listen :)
[09:33] <Hackmo> FlannelKing: check out my post for the message I get http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38004
[09:33] <eliUbuntu> thanks Madpilot
[09:33] <firebird619> eliUbuntu: I have dial-up Internet. I know this modem can be installed on 5.04 because I found a post in the forums of a guy that has this same modem and installed successfully
[09:33] <hondje> Whistler: simple version is g++ foo.cc -o foo
[09:33] <FlannelKing> Whistler, with gcc or g++, from that page he gave you
[09:33] <glick> i wonder, i really like ubuntu but couldnt use it because my firewire external harddisk wasnt supported correctly by any of the available kernels
[09:34] <hondje> Whistler: long version is reading the docs on autotools or gcc
[09:34] <feugan3333> Hi all. Does anyone know what packages is required to recompile the kernel with make "make menuconfig". I't says that I need the ncurses-devel. What is the name of the ubuntu equivalent>
[09:34] <hondje> FlannelKing: that one just explains how to install the compilers
[09:34] <glick> when i tried to compile the kernel that did support it, gnome would take 4ever to load up, even though that kernel works perfectly in debian
[09:34] <karsten> salapoliisi: Que pasta?
[09:34] <hondje> Amaranth: I did a bit, but I can't recall if I liked it or not
[09:34] <firebird619> eliUbuntu: His post and success is why I think that I am unsuccessful because of those files it says aren't there
[09:34] <BeatYou-z> anyone know how to change the listen port for vsftpd? i change it in the vsftpd.conf and restart through init.d / now it wont accept connections
[09:34] <glick> wonder if that was a known issue
[09:34] <glick> if its been fixed
[09:35] <Whistler> any tutorials  for compiling cpp programs?
[09:35] <Madpilot> my screenshot, for the heck of it: http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/5688/warbard0pt.png
[09:35] <hondje> feugan3333: probably libncurses5
[09:35] <karsten> BeatYou-z: WAG:  are you launching it from inetd.conf?
[09:36] <eliUbuntu> firebird619: did you search for these files in the repository?
[09:36] <BeatYou-z> through /etc/init.d/vsftpd restartr
[09:36] <BeatYou-z> restart
[09:36] <BeatYou-z> yes
[09:36] <Whistler> Madpilot opera rullz
[09:36] <Whistler> :)
[09:36] <eliUbuntu> firebird619: also you should check to make sure your repository is not on the links of us.*
[09:37] <eliUbuntu> firebird619: get rid of all us. repos
[09:37] <FlannelKing> Sorry Hackmo, I cant help you
[09:37] <Computer__Guru> what id like to do is install some flavor of nix on my jornada 690 handheld
[09:37] <Computer__Guru> i'd be all kinds of happy
[09:37] <firebird619> eliUbuntu: yes I searched in Synaptic for these files. The only repository I have there is the Install CD
[09:37] <glick> it would support my firewire drive, but during transfers of large amounts of information to or from the drive, the transfer would freeze
[09:37] <Hackmo> FlannelKing: ok thanks anyway
[09:37] <Hackmo> does anyone else have any ideas?
[09:37] <Madpilot> Whistler: yah, it's more of an Opera screenshot rather than a desktop screenie, but close enough.... :
[09:38] <Computer__Guru> glick: sounds like a bursting problem
[09:38] <vladuz976> join #ubuntu-de
[09:38] <glick> Computer__Guru, yeah
[09:38] <Computer__Guru> probably to do with a buffer
[09:38] <hondje> here's mine
[09:38] <FlannelKing> firebird619, that's your problem, get more repos
[09:38] <feugan3333> hondje: thanks I'll give it a try
[09:38] <Computer__Guru> wouldnt imagine it being a cachefile problem
[09:38] <hondje> http://www.hondje.net/~hondje/Screenshot.png
[09:38] <glick> Computer__Guru, yeah but it works on the same box running debian
[09:38] <firebird619> how do I do that. I don't have Internet access on Ubuntu.
[09:38] <glick> with my custom kernel
[09:38] <karsten> BeatYou-z: What's netstat -l tell you?  Should show up listening on the designated port.
[09:38] <firebird619> FlannelKing: How do I do that. I have no Internet on Ubuntu
[09:39] <Computer__Guru> hondje: nice
[09:39] <hondje> I was using Amaranth's namesake for a theme, but I did a overhaul and haven't put it back
[09:39] <Computer__Guru> glick: look for the difference between the firewire packages then
[09:39] <BeatYou-z> karsten ill try it
[09:39] <glick> but it sucks cause i really wanted to use ubuntu
[09:39] <glick> i really like it
[09:39] <Madpilot> hondje: where'd you get the wallpaper? i like it
[09:39] <Computer__Guru> hondje: http://www.daede.com/MyDesktop.jpg
[09:39] <eliUbuntu> screen shot is here -> http://img350.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot9vv.jpg
[09:39] <FlannelKing> firebird619, you'll have to download them on another machine, and then sneakernet them over
[09:39] <hondje> Madpilot: deviantart.com
[09:39] <glick> Computer__Guru, what do you mean?
[09:39] <hondje> in the political section
[09:39] <Amaranth> hey, address these to me too
[09:39] <firebird619> FlannelKing: Do you have those files that it says that I am missing.
[09:39] <Amaranth> i'm missing desktops!
[09:40] <BeatYou-z> karsten: dont see anything on 666
[09:40] <firebird619> FlannelKing: Where do I download them from?
[09:40] <BeatYou-z> ill put it back to default real quick
[09:40] <Computer__Guru> glick: it's either your firewire drivers, or your ata drivers.. find out what the difference is between the debian system with those packages and the system in querstion
[09:40] <hondje> Madpilot: I can upload it if you want
[09:40] <salapoliisi> karsten: now i got cd-rom, what next?
[09:40] <glick> Computer__Guru, i looked at the change logs from the kernel ubuntu uses to the one that my drive worked i didnt see any change regarding that
[09:40] <eliUbuntu> firebird619: did you try to search for those files on google? its best to google the exact error messages you get
[09:40] <eliUbuntu> that brings up a lot
[09:40] <Computer__Guru> ya got me then
[09:41] <firebird619> eliUbuntu: That's what I am doing right now
[09:41] <Amaranth> ok cool, i still win :P
[09:41] <eliUbuntu> Amaranth: your desktop pic please :)
[09:41] <hondje> Computer__Guru: is that the xorg compositing?
[09:41] <hondje> Amaranth: did you get my humble desktop?
[09:41] <Computer__Guru> yes
[09:41] <karsten> salapoliisi: Boot it.
[09:41] <Amaranth> hondje: yeah :)
[09:42] <Amaranth> eliUbuntu: Err, let me find it again
[09:42] <ColonelKernel> im using centos on my router box right now but im considering switching that to ubuntu too
[09:42] <FlannelKing> firebird619, what are you doing that you need the header files for?
[09:42] <Amaranth> eliUbuntu: http://reverend.warp1.net/wallpapers/files/christina_scabbia_01.jpg
[09:42] <firebird619> FlannelKing: installing my modem
[09:42] <Amaranth> eliUbuntu: You should listen to her music too.
[09:42] <Madpilot> hondje: got a filename so I can search deviantart?
[09:42] <karsten> salapoliisi: I think it may offer you a rescue option, if not, start the installer, but we're going to keep it from going anywhere.
[09:42] <hondje> Madpilot: iEmpireWP.png
[09:42] <Amaranth> opera has an IRC client?
[09:42] <Amaranth> that's just sad
[09:42] <hondje> Madpilot: I'll just scp it up
[09:42] <salapoliisi> karsten: okay
[09:43] <eliUbuntu> i would imagine your a happy man behind the computer
[09:43] <firebird619> FlannelKing: I found a post on the forums on how to install my modem and except for those 2 files, installation went fine.
[09:43] <hondje> Madpilot: http://www.hondje.net/hondje/~hondje/iEmpireWP.png
[09:43] <FlannelKing> firebird619, which post?
[09:43] <hondje> Madpilot: http://www.hondje.net/~hondje/iEmpireWP.png
[09:43] <Madpilot> hondje: thnx. search is down at deviantart... :(
[09:43] <hondje> whoops
[09:43] <spermie_> what are some good web sites where i can learn ubuntu/kubuntu commands so i can stop living in IIRC>?
[09:44] <FlannelKing> spermie_, what nature of commands?
[09:44] <firebird619> FlannelKing: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36762&highlight=Modems
[09:44] <eliUbuntu> did you guys ever see the automatic script to add all drives on your computer to ubuntu?
[09:44] <hondje> Amaranth: what kind of music does she sing?
[09:44] <spermie_> just coomands that will help me use linux easier
[09:44] <FlannelKing> firebird619, you need the kernel headers, I'll bet that will include those files
[09:45] <Amaranth> hondje: 'italian goth rock'
[09:45] <FlannelKing> firebird619, the "make sure you have gcc and linux-headers for the version youre running" line at the beginning, did you do that?
[09:45] <vladuz976> does anybody know where to configure the icons that show on the splash screen of gnome?
[09:45] <firebird619> FlannelKing: I have the headers installed from Synaptic, I would think they would be there already.
[09:45] <firebird619> FlannelKing: I also have gcc installed
[09:45] <hondje> Amaranth: heh, no wonder I never heard of them.  I'm a punk and reggae sorta guy
[09:45] <salapoliisi> karsten: sry
[09:46] <FlannelKing> firebird619, headers installed from synaptec? and it says youre missing which files?
[09:46] <eliUbuntu> firebird619: you're not using the us repositories right?
[09:46] <karsten> salapoliisi: OK.  at bootup is there a rescue option?
[09:46] <firebird619> FlannelKing: The only repository I have is the Install CD
[09:46] <salapoliisi> karsten: at cd-boot, yes
[09:46] <eliUbuntu> underground hip hop here
[09:46] <karsten> salapoliisi: Try that and see where it gets us.
[09:46] <salapoliisi> karsten: okey
[09:47] <hondje> Great, the news says wood smoke causes lung cancer....
[09:47] <karsten> hondje: Where you at?
[09:47] <eliUbuntu> and so does charred bread
[09:47] <firebird619> FlannelKing: it says I am missing the files:   /boot/vmlinuz.autoconf.h and /boot/vmlinuz.version.h
[09:47] <karsten> hondje: CO?
[09:47] <FlannelKing> firebird619, what package in synaptec did you install (the header one)
[09:47] <hondje> karsten: Yeah, Pueblo CO
[09:47] <hondje> I can see the fire d'jour from here :)
[09:48] <eliUbuntu> hondje.... little dog?
[09:48] <eliUbuntu> thats your name?
[09:48] <hondje> Yes, but I'm not dutch :)
[09:48] <karsten> hondje: Dig.  I was through there a couple years back.
[09:48] <eliUbuntu> hmm
[09:48] <firebird619> FlannelKing: for headers I have linux-headers-2.6.10-5,   linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386,    and linux-headers-386 installed
[09:48] <eliUbuntu> the dutch language caught i guess
[09:48] <karsten> hondje: The intermountain / rocky area is one big burn risk.
[09:49] <hondje> yep, and down here it's higher, since the foothills are trees bordered by desert
[09:49] <hondje> odd to live in a desert and see a forest fire out your window :)
[09:49] <karsten> hondje: 20 mile burn scars through Idaho & Wyoming.  Yellowstone fire (from the 1980s) was still highly evident.
[09:49] <holycow> rofl
[09:49] <eliUbuntu> at first i thought your name was honda + the je... then realized little dog
[09:50] <holycow> anyone who has ogl enabled drivers installed, go and install a packge called 3ddesktop
[09:50] <hondje> hehe, minihonda
[09:50] <n1k0> I just talked to some who claims that ubuntu or any distro is not good for a desktop. He said that every gui in linux is buggy.
[09:50] <holycow> wow!
[09:50] <karsten> hondje: odder to live in a forest fire and see a window in your desert.
[09:50] <n1k0> Argh!
[09:50] <firebird619> FlannelKing: I also have linux-kernel-headers installed
[09:50] <karsten> n1k0: Troll elsewhere.
[09:50] <hondje> karsten: hehe
[09:50] <hondje> holycow: 3ddesktop is cool :D
[09:50] <n1k0> karsten: No I'm not trolling. That's not my opinion.
[09:51] <holycow> hondje, i've never seen this before!
[09:51] <eliUbuntu> hondje, that program hogs memory though
[09:51] <karsten> n1k0: If you haven't used Linux, then try it and form your own opinion.
[09:51] <n1k0> karsten: I used Linux in desktop and servers.
[09:52] <n1k0> karsten: I have used linux six years. =)
[09:52] <hondje> eliUbuntu: I have tons of memory
[09:52] <karsten> n1k0: ... OK, and your point in asking that question was... ?
[09:52] <eliUbuntu> hondje: so do i
[09:52] <hondje> n1k0: Then what's with the low quality trolling? :)  I raised the bar in here, man
[09:52] <salapoliisi> karsten: now i have to select root disk, but it gives only mounting points at cd, and says i have to mount other drives manually, is this ok?
[09:52] <hondje> I once got a newbie to set up X font server
[09:52] <hondje> Now that, sir, is quality
[09:52] <eliUbuntu> 1 gig.... and still that prog hogs memory
[09:52] <eliUbuntu> but now im running dma
[09:52] <eliUbuntu> maybe faster
[09:52] <karsten> salapoliisi: Um.  Have you booted anything yet?
[09:53] <karsten> n1k0: Or if your point was that there are bigoted idiots in the world, then I apologise, but that's not exactly news either.
[09:53] <Da_SWAT> hi All. I'm in search of a good/free CAD program (a la AutoCAD for 2D editing of autocad files) AND a business proces modeling program ( http://www.bizzdesign.nl/jpg/bizzdesigner-model.jpg  )... Can anyone give me a hint or something?
[09:53] <n1k0> karsten: I just tell it here no point of anykind :D But not ment to troll.
[09:53] <duckforce> how do I enable dma on my usb push cart?
[09:53] <karsten> salapoliisi: ...or is this a "what would you like to boot" sort of question WRT the root disk.
[09:53] <karsten> n1k0: OK, I misread you.
[09:53] <eliUbuntu> !dma
[09:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> Da_SWAT: give me a minute. I'll look somthing up re cad
[09:53] <salapoliisi> karsten: can you specify that "booting" the install is running, isn't that booting too? or do i have to get my ubuntu deskop so i can say it's no booted up?
[09:54] <n1k0> karstern: yes that was my point. I was shocked :D
[09:54] <eliUbuntu> duckforce: type
[09:54] <hondje> Da_SWAT: Ever look at varkon?
[09:54] <eliUbuntu> "!dma"
[09:54] <eliUbuntu> and follow it
[09:54] <duckforce> "!dma"
[09:54] <n1k0> salapoliisi? Oot suomesta? =)
[09:54] <karsten> n1k0: As a counterpoint, I've been advising a friend who's now got a SuSE/XP dual boot system, his first Linux desktop.  SuSE installed perfectly.  XP is giving him 120+ hours of billed-support hell.
[09:54] <duckforce> what did that do
[09:54] <salapoliisi> n1k0: joop
[09:54] <Madpilot> duckforce: leave the " quotes off that
[09:54] <duckforce> ""!dma
[09:55] <karsten> salapoliisi: The install disk will start up and give you a startup, pre-boot option.  IIRC one of these is to boot off your existing HD, which will simplify a few things.
[09:55] <eliUbuntu> you see the the little obotu in red?
[09:55] <eliUbuntu> click on it
[09:55] <eliUbuntu> and follow the link it gives
[09:55] <Madpilot> !dma
[09:55] <kjon> I need help. I opened a MSWord doc with some math stuff on it with openoffice. The text is fine, but all the equations looks horrible. What is the problem?
[09:55] <hondje> I don't know if varkon does autocad files, but it's a nice app
[09:55] <karsten> salapoliisi: root=/dev/hda1 may likely work.
[09:55] <Da_SWAT> hondje, varkon seems nice.... do you have experience with it?
[09:55] <hondje> Da_SWAT: Very, very little
[09:55] <Razor-X> kjon: Oo's math support is bad
[09:55] <hondje> Another guy at work was tooling with it
[09:55] <salapoliisi> karsten: okey i try to mount it now
[09:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> Da_SWAT: http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml#9
[09:55] <Razor-X> that's why I love LaTeX
[09:55] <Razor-X> so universal ;)
[09:55] <hondje> LaTeX is great
[09:56] <n1k0> karsten: I have this one new machice also. In windows it probably needs many 3party drivers. But in ubuntu everything works almost out of the box =)
[09:56] <Razor-X> I'm probably gonna buy Lamport's book
[09:56] <slept> Does anyone know an other way to get the memory adress of my graphiccard than looking in Xfree86.log. I need this for the mtrr support entry in proc. Or how can I test if the adress I gave is right ?
[09:56] <Da_SWAT> hondje, but it seems like something usefull, thanks :D (http://www.tech.oru.se/cad/varkon/scrdmp4.htm)
[09:56] <n1k0> karsten: I just hate installing 3 party drivers, and in windows you need reboot between drivers...argh! :D
[09:56] <hondje> Razor-X: while you're book shopping, ever read knuth's books? Computers AND math, double the fun
[09:56] <eliUbuntu> thanks for the link Kamping_Kaiser
[09:56] <kjon> Razor-X: And what can I do to convert the ms-equ. objects to latex or whatever format usable on linux?
[09:56] <karsten> salapoliisi: There's more than one way to do this, I'm steering for reasonably simple.
[09:56] <Razor-X> n1k0: a reboot in Linux is very very rare
[09:56] <eliUbuntu> informative
[09:56] <hondje> Da_SWAT: glad to help :)
[09:57] <karsten> n1k0: That and everything else....
[09:57] <Razor-X> kjon: know LaTeX ;)
[09:57] <n1k0> Razor-X: I know. =)
[09:57] <karsten> Razor-X: Yeah, I just rebooted a box here ... to swap out HDs.
[09:57] <n1k0> karsten: yes...pure pain..
[09:57] <hondje> That's not true, I reboot all the time
[09:57] <Razor-X> n1k0: that there was the second piece of text I ever read in a Linux OS
[09:57] <hondje> At least once a month :(
[09:57] <Razor-X> back when I was 11 ;)
[09:57] <eliUbuntu> i have a duel booting laptop... gotta reboot all the time
[09:57] <kjon> Razor-x: Is Latex able to open mathtype's stuff?
[09:57] <MilitantDK> how do I get a newer firefox than 1.0.2, without breaking ubuntu? tried debian 1.0.4-2, but all shokwave, etc. cannot be installed, since it wants ubuntu stuff that has been replaced in order for 1.0.4 to work
[09:57] <Razor-X> yeah, I double-boot, that's the bad thing
[09:58] <Madpilot> this computer has been up since Thursday last week. couldn't have done that in XP...
[09:58] <salapoliisi> karsten: oh great now it booted my computer, i think im going to install ubuntu again, least i know how to do it, this takes a month
[09:58] <Razor-X> kjon: LaTeX is a language on its own
[09:58] <Razor-X> it's not a symbolic/visual thing
[09:58] <hondje> MilitantDK: it has all the security stuff already. In the location bar type about:config, search for vendorSub, and change 1.0 to 1.0.4 and you should have no problems with extensions
[09:58] <eliUbuntu> MilitantDK: add the the backport repositories
[09:58] <mirak> hello
[09:58] <ColonelKernel> MilitantDK, im using the 1.0.4 from the mozilla site
[09:58] <eliUbuntu> make sure its not us repositories though
[09:58] <Razor-X> I can probably LaTeX it meself, if you give it to me, but it'll never hurt to do it
[09:58] <karsten> salapoliisi: Slow down.
[09:58] <poningru> MilitantDK: dont worry about it
[09:58] <mla> Hi
[09:59] <poningru> it will be taken care of
[09:59] <Razor-X> MS Equation Editor is hopelessly slow, and much worse than LaTeX
[09:59] <poningru> within the next few days
[09:59] <Razor-X> hondje: am I right?
[09:59] <kjon> Razor-x: In simple words, I need to install VMWare Workstation in order to avoid losing all my work?? T-T hell...
[09:59] <hanasaki> where can i get firefox 1.04 or 05?
[09:59] <hondje> I've never used MS Equation Editor
[09:59] <mla> I try to install php5 packages on hoary
[09:59] <eliUbuntu> using firefox 1.0.4 from the repository here
[09:59] <poningru> hanasaki: wait for it
[09:59] <Razor-X> kjon: well, you can learn LaTeX
[09:59] <hanasaki> eliUbuntu: which rep?
[09:59] <karsten> salapoliisi: Read that link I gave you and follow the instructions on it.
[09:59] <hondje> OO.org Math is slow, though
[09:59] <poningru> it will show up within couple of days/weeks
[09:59] <hanasaki> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10681
[09:59] <ColonelKernel> Im using 1.0.4 from http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/central.html
[09:59] <eliUbuntu> hanasaki: let me get the repos links
[09:59] <Razor-X> almost all of #math's big people know LaTeX
[09:59] <Da_SWAT> Kamping_Kaiser, thanks for the list. Doens't help me with my 2nd problem though.. ( http://www.bizzdesign.nl/jpg/bizzdesigner-model.jpg )
[10:00] <hanasaki> thanks eliUbuntu
[10:00] <Razor-X> i'm not sure which mathematician in this day and age doesen't use it ;)
[10:00] <karsten> salapoliisi: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-8050.html
[10:00] <hanasaki> ColonelKernel:  hmm your not usnig  a.deb?
[10:00] <MilitantDK> thx for swift replies
[10:00] <FlannelKing> Da_SWAT, so, visio type things? or MS Project type things?
[10:00] <salapoliisi> karsten: okay, ill try to get my patience back
[10:00] <mirak> hello
[10:00] <kjon> Thx. Razor.
[10:00] <karsten> cafuego: Were you they person who had that "rescan the partition table after fdisk" command for me the other day?
[10:01] <Razor-X> or, better yet, kjon, convert to PDF
[10:01] <karsten> salapoliisi: Apparently this is a warty bug, so you'd be stuck with the same problem regardless.
[10:01] <ColonelKernel> hanasaki, no
[10:01] <mirak> I want to use gcc3.4.4 instead of gcc3.4.3 to build a cross compiler with toolchain-source. Is it possible ?
[10:01] <Razor-X> that way Ubuntu can read it, albeit, can't edit it
[10:01] <kjon> That's good idea, I'd not though about it.
[10:01] <karsten> salapoliisi: ...so do the steps in that link.
[10:01] <Razor-X> lot of free tools for that
[10:01] <salapoliisi> karsten: i have to do it again if i just install it, im going to use this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=42546&postcount=14
[10:01] <Razor-X> available on Windows, I mean
[10:02] <Da_SWAT> FlannelKing, it's business process modeling. Bizzdesigner is the program I used, but it's prop, and it doesn't work on linux. Now I need another tool :S
[10:02] <kjon> Yeah, sure, I got the point.
[10:02] <FlannelKing> Razor-X, or you can do the math thing as a picture (which is what EqnEdit used to do) embedded in a word doc
[10:02] <holycow> nite
[10:02] <hondje> There's some latex2png thing
[10:02] <Razor-X> FlannelKing: I have... regardless, it's a pain-in-the-arse
[10:02] <FlannelKing> Da_SWAT, yes, but is it more of a visio thing (as in, state machine?) or project (as in, 3 weeks for this, 4 weeks for this, 1 week for this, planning, etc)
[10:02] <Da_SWAT> So kVisio could do the trick, but it wouldn't be a 'real' solution (there's only so much you can do with visio)
[10:02] <Razor-X> hondje: really? ;)
[10:02] <hondje> yessir
[10:02] <hondje> wikipedia uses it
[10:03] <Madpilot> cool. next version of Opera will have BitTorrent support built in... http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2005/07/07/
[10:03] <Razor-X> Madpilot: really?
[10:03] <Da_SWAT> FlannelKing, than more like state machine (in this case process flow)
[10:03] <Razor-X> craaaaazy!
[10:03] <karsten> salapoliisi: Sec...
[10:03] <glick> hey buy using the live distro can i copy and write to any of the drives?
[10:03] <Madpilot> Razor-X: check that URL...
[10:03] <Razor-X> Madpilot: I must ;)
[10:03] <karsten> glick: Yes.  If you mount them writable.
[10:03] <hondje> Razor-X: there's even an emacs plugin for latex2png
[10:03] <eliUbuntu> anyone else want the backport repos for the new firefox?
[10:03] <Razor-X> hondje: oh, really!
[10:03] <Madpilot> apparently Opera's servers crashed when 8.0 was released. Suddenly they "got" BitTorrents... :)
[10:04] <hondje> http://www.sfu.ca/~gswamina/code/latex2png.el
[10:04] <Madpilot> Razor-X: there's always the tech demo (beta software) if you're feeling brave...
[10:04] <FlannelKing> Da_SWAT, you might try Umbrello, its not designed for business models, but it does the same thing
[10:05] <poningru> from dp to OOo
[10:05] <poningru> so blah
[10:05] <Razor-X> Madpilot: I do ;)
[10:05] <Razor-X> I remember the crash, meself
[10:05] <n1k0> backports...I don't even use them.
[10:06] <Da_SWAT> FlannelKing, thnx. It
[10:06] <FlannelKing> Da_SWAT, or even things like dia, should work (and is included in ubuntu)
[10:06] <Madpilot> yea, I couldn't get 8 for XP for a couple of days. was irritating...
[10:06] <mirak> qqun a deja fait un cross compiler avec toolchain-source ?
[10:06] <eliUbuntu> n1k0: why not use the backports?
[10:06] <Da_SWAT> FlannelKing, might you have a url for diag (just curious)
[10:06] <mirak>  I want to use gcc3.4.4 instead of gcc3.4.3 to build a cross compiler with toolchain-source. Is it possible ?
[10:06] <Razor-X> Madpilot: I got it off some obscure server
[10:06] <FlannelKing> dia is in the repos, its a gnome thing I believe
[10:06] <karsten> Madpilot: Heh...
[10:07] <Da_SWAT> FlannelKing, thnx for all
[10:07] <eliUbuntu> is there a drop shadow option to add to ubuntu?
[10:07] <karsten> Da_SWAT: 'apt-cache seach <description or name>'
[10:07] <n1k0> eliUbuntu: I don't see any point to use them. I do not need the latest software.
[10:07] <karsten> Da_SWAT: ...will search for packages matching description or name.
[10:07] <n1k0> and backports may broke system...
[10:08] <hondje> time for bed, night Razor-X
[10:08] <FlannelKing> Da_SWAT, actually, try searching for anything with UML in the description, theres a couple of promising things (which will vary in ways, and from them you should be able to find something adequate)
[10:08] <glick> damn i cant find anything about it on google
[10:08] <Madpilot> karsten: hey, I needed my fix... :) ... and O8 really is a large improvement over the last versions of O7...
[10:08] <glick> i need access to my external drive :(
[10:08] <glick> and i want to use ubuntu
[10:08] <glick> but i guess the gods of the universe dont want me to have my cake and eat it too
[10:09] <Da_SWAT> FlannelKing, karsten. Thnx 4 all. I'm off now (work work)
[10:09] <karsten> Madpilot: I'm waiting for Galeon to regain its sanity...
[10:09] <salapoliisi> karsten: so did you have something to say?
[10:09] <karsten> glick: What's your external drive?
[10:09] <karsten> salapoliisi: Possibly.  I'm in 3 channels and mirroring a drive ATM....
[10:09] <dade`> hi all
[10:09] <dade`> i need help
[10:09] <salapoliisi> :D
[10:09] <glick> karsten, its a maxtor
[10:10] <dade`> what packages take care of automounting partitions ?
[10:10] <salapoliisi> dade`: almost every one here needs help
[10:10] <dade`> i see warty does that and hoary don't
[10:10] <Madpilot> karsten: haven't used galeon. what's insane about it?
[10:10] <eliUbuntu> ah, dade - ask Seveas for it
[10:10] <Seveas> dade`, partitions aren't automounted
[10:10] <Seveas> dade`, only removable drives are
[10:10] <karsten> glick: USB?  Firewire?  Tin-can-and-string?  Smoke signals?
[10:10] <eliUbuntu> actually i still have the the link
[10:10] <Seveas> and that's done by pmount/hal
[10:10] <dade`> Seveas: what i need to do to automount partitions ? (warty live does)
[10:11] <Seveas> dade`, you mean your windows/mac partitions?
[10:11] <glick> karsten, firewire
[10:11] <dade`> yea, but also ext*
[10:11] <karsten> Madpilot: It's a Gtk/Gnome browser.  Was IMO the ideal power-user browser in v. 1.2.  Currently getting GNOMEified in 1.3, lost a bunch of features, the dev's mentality is IMO way off track.
[10:11] <Seveas> dade`: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[10:11] <dade`> just all other partition it can mount
[10:11] <Seveas> for ext* there is no automount
[10:11] <karsten> glick: OK. You'll need ieee1394 support loaded.
[10:12] <karsten> glick: IIRC it should appear as a SCSI device.
[10:12] <mla> Hi, where I can find a repository with php5 packages on hoary ?
[10:12] <karsten> glick: 'modprobe ieee1394; dmesg | tail -40'
[10:12] <karsten> glick: ...should show something vaguely interesting.
[10:12] <Seveas> mla, afaik nowhere yet
[10:12] <Madpilot> karsten: interesting... i'll have to take a look at some point.
[10:12] <dade`> mmhh, strange anyway, partitions should be mounted automatically i think, moreover in a live distro
[10:12] <eliUbuntu> Seveas: that winmac fstab is a great script. it has helped a lot for me. thanks
[10:12] <Seveas> karsten, tail -n 40
[10:12] <glick> karsten, it works but then when i tansfer like a gig of stuff from or too it it copies like half the stuff then it gets like transfer errors i/o errors etc
[10:12] <Seveas> tail -40 is deprecated syntax
[10:12] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, yw
[10:13] <Madpilot> karsten: but i've been an Opera user since Opera 4.something, so I'm unlikely to change...
[10:13] <FlannelKing> mla, I dont believe Hoary has php5
[10:13] <spermie_>  is there any movie editing / fake adobe premiere rip off for linux? i need something that can add special affects and all that kind of stuff
[10:13] <mla> I use http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5 on my debian sid, but it doesn't works with hoary wrong libc6 and apache version
[10:13] <Seveas> ...neither has breezy
[10:13] <Seveas> mla, are the sources available>
[10:14] <Seveas> ?
[10:14] <karsten> Seveas: tail -<n> is going to work long after you and I are dead, trust me on this.
[10:14] <ColonelKernel> spermie_, cinelerra is the shizzy
[10:14] <Seveas> karsten, yeah, but it'll generate that annoying warning :)
[10:14] <ColonelKernel> spermie_, you ought to change your name to MrBukkake, its more dignified.
[10:14] <Razor-X> plus, if something's deprecated, then it has ill circumstances when scripting
[10:15] <karsten> Seveas: Not here ;-)
[10:15] <FlannelKing> deprecated doesnt mean it has ill circumstances
[10:15] <Razor-X> FlannelKing: something is deprecated for a reason, generally
[10:15] <Razor-X> when scripting, that may mean memory hogging
[10:15] <mla> Seveas, the source of the php5 package ?
[10:15] <karsten> Seveas: tail version 5.2.1
[10:15] <Seveas> mla, yes
[10:15] <mla> yes
[10:15] <FlannelKing> yes, but not necessarily that it's bad, just something better has come along, or people have moved on to a 'different way of doing it'
[10:15] <Razor-X> same reason you don't add cat file > newfilename instead of cp file newfilename
[10:16] <glick> if i boot into the live distro how can i make all my harddrives writtable?
[10:16] <Razor-X> when scripting, rather
[10:16] <spermie_> ColonelKernel you dont like the spermster?
[10:16] <karsten> FlannelKing: It's usually an effort to try to push people to a different syntax.  There's scripts which have been running w/ 'tail -<n>' for decades now, and you'll break 'em all.
[10:16] <ColonelKernel> I dunno MrBukkake sounds like a Japanese businessman
[10:16] <ColonelKernel> Spermie or its variants are just kinda blunt
[10:16] <Razor-X> ColonelKernel: there are no Japanese sounds in it
[10:16] <mla> Seveas, I find a way to solve it
[10:17] <Razor-X> spermie_: some may consider it offending
[10:17] <Tarcastil> hey, what commands are called when someone uses sound? I'm tightening restrcitions on a user in visudo, but because of it, sound doesn't work
[10:17] <mla> I used it sid package, I'll try with woody or sarge pacakge
[10:17] <Seveas> Tarcastil, none
[10:17] <Seveas> Tarcastil, only /dev/dsp is opened
[10:17] <teleyinex> hi
[10:17] <teleyinex> someone is having problems with hal
[10:17] <Tarcastil> Seveas: ack, maybe it's something else, but sound works fine under root
[10:17] <glick> ?
[10:18] <Tarcastil> Seveas: but not as a user
[10:18] <Seveas> Tarcastil, root can do anything :)
[10:18] <Tarcastil> user
[10:18] <Seveas> Tarcastil, the user has to be in the audio group
[10:18] <teleyinex> sometimes my hoary has 46 process with this name 20-hal.hotplug
[10:18] <teleyinex> is this normal?
[10:18] <teleyinex> where could be the problem?
[10:18] <Tarcastil> Seveas: thanks
[10:18] <karsten> teleyinex: Dave Bowman was...
[10:18] <dade`> Seveas: that script is almose the same that uses warty live ?
[10:18] <spermie_> Razor-X do you find my nick offending?
[10:19] <Seveas> mla, http://people.debian.org/~dexter/dists/php5/php5-5.0.4-0.6.hoary.1/
[10:19] <Seveas> looks like there are hoary packages
[10:19] <mla> great
[10:19] <ColonelKernel>  im looking for whory packages myself
[10:19] <ColonelKernel> I havent gotten any in a while
[10:19] <Seveas> use php5 hoary in sources.list
[10:19] <Razor-X> spermie_: maybe
[10:20] <Tarcastil> Seveas: ah, I didn't realize usermod -G took the user out of groups I didn't specify. Thanks :)
[10:20] <Seveas> ColonelKernel, please watch your language...
[10:20] <ColonelKernel> would Whoary be better?
[10:20] <eliUbuntu> question, what is breezy?
[10:20] <eliUbuntu> is that the new ubuntu
[10:20] <Seveas> yes
[10:20] <Seveas> will be released in ovtober
[10:20] <eliUbuntu> hmmmm
[10:20] <Seveas> october even
[10:21] <eliUbuntu> how does it look?
[10:21] <mla> Seveas, thanks a lot
[10:21] <Seveas> unstable atm
[10:21] <eliUbuntu> :(
[10:21] <ColonelKernel> has anyone used ubuntu as a router?
[10:21] <karsten> *Real* software is never released.
[10:21] <karsten> It escapes.
[10:21] <ColonelKernel> centos is making a hell of a router so far
[10:21] <Amaranth> karsten: haha, i remember that saying
[10:21] <karsten> ColonelKernel: Yeah.  I kept finding the CD edges would chip when I was channeling dovetails though.
[10:22] <salapoliisi> karsten: so would you be able to tell me now what you had to say me 15min ago?
[10:22] <ColonelKernel> karsten, im not talking the livecd, but the installed version
[10:22] <eliUbuntu> have you tried to use it Seveas? the breezy version?
[10:22] <Tarcastil> Seveas: hmm, sound still isn't working as user
[10:22] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, not yet
[10:22] <karsten> salapoliisi: Where are you at?
[10:23] <Amaranth> Seveas: What changed?
[10:23] <ntoll> how long does it take for Debzilla to do the debian bug importing (see bug #12613 in ubuntu bugzilla for an example)?
[10:23] <Seveas> Tarcastil, what does lsof | grep /dev/dsp say?
[10:23] <karsten> salapoliisi: IIRC I'd asked you for clarification / status, never got a response.
[10:23] <ColonelKernel> karsten, crack rocks?
[10:23] <Tarcastil> Seveas: no output
[10:23] <salapoliisi> karsten: you said "sec..."
[10:23] <Seveas> Tarcastil, ah, probably your program needs esd, which is not started
[10:23] <Amaranth> Seveas: `lsof /dev/dsp` works too
[10:24] <Tarcastil> Seveas: I took out esd because it was messing stuff up
[10:24] <salapoliisi> karsten: i'll try to do this first without help and then ask you if it won't work, or if i get stuck
[10:24] <karsten> ColonelKernel: ubuntu ~= debian, particularly w/ Universe.  Yes, you can run it as a router.  It's not "designed" for that, specifically, but there's nothing hideous about setting it up for the task.
[10:24] <Tarcastil> Seveas: sound just stopped working for some reason
[10:24] <karsten> salapoliisi: Ah.  It was a long second....
[10:24] <Tarcastil> Seveas: it was working before without esd
[10:24] <ColonelKernel> karsten, right on
[10:24] <teleyinex> so noone knows about hal problems?
[10:24] <spermie_> ColonelKernel  cinelerra isnt a ubuntu package is it?
[10:24] <Seveas> Tarcastil, check the programs settings
[10:24] <ColonelKernel> I want a nice desktop system that is used as a router
[10:24] <karsten> salapoliisi: Ah.  I was going to look at that link.
[10:24] <Amaranth> ColonelKernel: Being a router just requires iptables
[10:24] <Seveas> it should use alsa as audio output
[10:24] <salapoliisi> karsten: :D
[10:25] <ColonelKernel> spermie_, I have no idea - but ill tell you this - cinelerra works on clusters
[10:25] <ColonelKernel> so you can use it in place of someting like AVID
[10:25] <Tarcastil> Seveas: the program was working before as a user without esd. I don't know why it's not working now
[10:25] <karsten> salapoliisi: Yeah, that looks like what you want to do.
[10:25] <salapoliisi> interesting that the install couldn't find dhcp, but other machine where i plugged that cable did work just fine
[10:25] <Seveas> Amaranth, /me too
[10:25] <karsten> salapoliisi: It's a different page from the one I'd pulled up first, wanted to confirm it.  Sorry for the delay.
[10:25] <Seveas> last post is april 17 :)
[10:25] <Amaranth> heh
[10:26] <Amaranth> june 23rd here
[10:26] <karsten> ColonelKernel: Meantime, I'm pretty sure you could set it up to do woodwork, and clear clogged drains, if you really thought about it....
[10:26] <Amaranth> Seveas: http://www.realistanew.com/desktop.png <--showing this off to everyone :)
[10:26] <ColonelKernel> karsten, thats what my father is for.
[10:27] <glick> this is all i could find relating to my problem
[10:27] <glick> http://www.netzwerk-aktiv.com/pub/doc/newsletters/linux1394-user/html/0581.html
[10:27] <Amaranth> I'm an op. Worship me. :)
[10:27] <abhayks> Amarnath: Nice desktop
[10:27] <karsten> ColonelKernel: ;-)
[10:29] <Amaranth> abhayks: thanks
[10:29] <spermie_> sudo dpkg -i cinelerra-1.2.2-1.i386.rpm
[10:29] <spermie_> dpkg: error processing cinelerra-1.2.2-1.i386.rpm (--install):
[10:29] <spermie_>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[10:29] <spermie_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:29] <spermie_>  cinelerra-1.2.2-1.i386.rpm
[10:29] <spermie_> whoops sorry
[10:29] <Seveas> spamalope, .....
[10:29] <salapoliisi> Seveas: so tell me about that routing now, what did you say yesterday
[10:29] <spermie_> didnt know it was that long =(
[10:29] <Seveas> spermie_, alien -i ....rpm
[10:29] <Seveas> dpkg is for debs
[10:30] <Seveas> salapoliisi, I said nothing about routing yesterday :)
[10:30] <spermie_> all alright
[10:31] <salapoliisi> Seveas: yes you did, im anacron, and i asked if im able to make my ubuntu as a router
[10:31] <siimo> what ever happen to grumpy groundhog what was going to start after hoary came out ? anyone know? the always rolling version ?
[10:31] <Seveas> salapoliisi, ah ok, must have slipped my mind then
[10:32] <Seveas> salapoliisi, if you mean a simple internet connection sharing, install firestarter
[10:32] <Seveas> it's a one-click solution
[10:32] <Seveas> otherwise: learn the details of iptables and do it manually :)
[10:33] <Caray> muy buenas
[10:33] <Seveas> ola Caray
[10:33] <porksword> got a quick question..... how do i change the background colour of my gnome menu(apps/places/system)??
[10:33] <salapoliisi> seveas, yeah you did tell about firestarter, but did you say there were some softwares so i could configure it by browser?
[10:33] <porksword> also the font colour?? thanx
[10:33] <Seveas> porksword, by changing the theme
[10:33] <Seveas> you might have to poke in the theme to change single colors
[10:34] <spermie_> Seveas so i would do this: sudo alien -i ~/Desktop/ cinelerra-1.2.2-1.i386.rpm
[10:34] <FlannelKing> porksword, system > preference > theme
[10:34] <djp> hi. trying to read a formatted floppy disk under hoary. i believe the disk has been formatted and had documents saved on it from an xp machine. however when i try and mount the disk i receive the following message, Mount Error, Unable to mount the selected volume, mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified. Can anyone advice what I need to do in order to access the disk?
[10:34] <Seveas> salapoliisi, well, i said i *thought* there were
[10:34] <Caray> hla Seveas hablas castellano??
[10:34] <salapoliisi> Seveas: okay :)
[10:34] <Seveas> Caray, yo no hablo espanol/castellano
[10:34] <Seveas> Caray, va en #ubuntu-es
[10:34] <Caray> :(
[10:34] <FlannelKing> djp, specify a filesystem mount type, probably fat32
[10:34] <salapoliisi> what's the difference between warty and hoary
[10:35] <Seveas> salapoliisi, a lot :)
[10:35] <Caray> ok I try ....
[10:35] <salapoliisi> is it okay to add warty sources?
[10:35] <eno> so if I use qtparted and make an empty partition, could I load another distro onto that and still load ubuntu through grub?
[10:35] <porksword> how bout the font colours??
[10:35] <Seveas> salapoliisi, it's useless :)
[10:35] <salapoliisi> Seveas: okay
[10:35] <Seveas> salapoliisi, all packages in warty are in hoary, but with newer versions
[10:35] <Seveas> eno, yes
[10:36] <hanasaki> is there a web interface to search the package lists of ubuntu?
[10:36] <djp> FlannelKing: thanks. so i should use the command line then? i only tried to mount the disk by right clicking under Places/Computer and going to mount volume by right clicking...
[10:36] <Seveas> hanasaki, pacages.ubuntu.com
[10:36] <hanasaki> hmm no link form http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[10:36] <hanasaki> bummer
[10:36] <eno> how easy would it be to screw up?  (I don't want to lose ubuntu)
[10:36] <salapoliisi> seveas, so warty has newer software, but it might be unstable?
[10:37] <FlannelKing> djp, I would try that yes.  It probably can't autodetermine the drive type (which is unusual, do you know what format the floppy is currently in?)
[10:37] <Seveas> salapoliisi, no, hoary has newer software
[10:37] <Seveas> and both warty and hoary are stable
[10:37] <ColonelKernel> what are warty and hoary
[10:37] <Seveas> ColonelKernel, versions of ubuntu
[10:37] <FlannelKing> warty is the older version of ubuntu (4.10)
[10:37] <djp> FlannelKing: no. it is my partners disk that she wants me to use to help her with a report she is doing for her work place
[10:37] <karsten> ColonelKernel: Ubuntu releases.
[10:37] <Seveas> warty was the first, hoary is the latest versio
[10:37] <Caray> Seveas I'm running Ubuntu-live and I need to know partition table of my hd
[10:37] <ColonelKernel> FlannelKing, thanks
[10:38] <Seveas> Caray, sudo fdisk -l
[10:38] <Caray> thanks a lot
[10:38] <ColonelKernel> thats what I meant - what releases they were referring to
[10:38] <FlannelKing> djp, yeah, try at the command line, that way it doesnt have to auto determine (although all disks should be labeled, which is why its odd)
[10:38] <Seveas> salapoliisi, there is webmin-shorewall and webmin-firewall, these are web-based firewall administration things
[10:39] <Computer__Guru> anybody have any idea why transcode isnt available?
[10:39] <ColonelKernel> firestarter rules
[10:39] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, it's in hoary-extras (from the backports repository)
[10:39] <salapoliisi> Seveas: but do they work in ubuntu, or are they other distros?
[10:40] <Seveas> salapoliisi, they are Ubuntu packages :)
[10:40] <Computer__Guru> you got the sources.list lines for hoary-extras? or is it simply http://archives.ubuntu.com/ hoary-extras?
[10:40] <Seveas> Computer__Guru: To find out the location of backports, go to backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[10:40] <hanasaki> packages.ubuntu.com says gaim is on 1.1.4   i have 1.1.3 and apt-get upgrade says 1.1.3 is the newest
[10:40] <julz> hi, im thinking of  getting ubuntu because mandrake/mandrive has stuffed up twioce. is ubuntu still good for development purposes? i mainly want to just learn and experimtnt with C for iPodLinux.
[10:40] <salapoliisi> Seveas: but isn't there distro from shorewall or something like that?
[10:40] <hanasaki> packages.ubuntu.com says gaim is on 1.1.4   i have 1.1.3 and apt-get upgrade says 1.1.3 is the newest how do i ge tto 1.1.4
[10:40] <Computer__Guru> ty
[10:40] <Seveas> hanasaki, for hoary 1.1.3 is the lates
[10:40] <eno> I think I will go for it and to HELL with the consequences ;)
[10:40] <bob2> julz: sure, but any distro will be fine for that sort of thing
[10:41] <ColonelKernel> salapoliisi, you might want to give firestarter a try too
[10:41] <Seveas> salapoliisi, might be, but the software is available for Ubuntu
[10:41] <hanasaki> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=gaim&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[10:41] <hanasaki> Seveas:  that says 1.1.4
[10:41] <julz> nice, thanks a lot
[10:41] <Seveas> salapoliisi, nevetr tried shorewall myself though
[10:41] <julz> :)
[10:41] <salapoliisi> Seveas: okay, i try those if im not satisfied with firestarter
[10:41] <salapoliisi> ColonelKernel: yeah sure i'll try that
[10:42] <Seveas> hanasaki, can you paste your sources.list on a pastebin please
[10:42] <FlannelKing> Computer__Guru, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories has info on backports and extras
[10:42] <hanasaki> Seveas:  sure.. what / where is a pastebin
[10:42] <Madpilot> !pastebin
[10:42] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[10:42] <Caray> I try to retore Grub .... :(
[10:42] <hanasaki> Seveas:  i am in #flood pls join me
[10:43] <Seveas> Caray, wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringGrubAfterInstallingWindows has info you might like
[10:43] <Caray> thks again !!!
[10:43] <salapoliisi> hmm okay now i got problems "mount -o loop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-powerpc /mnt/initrd" i can't remember what is my version
[10:44] <salapoliisi> it's x386 but what are those numbers
[10:44] <leroj> what do i do with a .run file?
[10:44] <leroj> i'm trying to install AA
[10:44] <Computer__Guru> Seveas: so deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/dists/hoary-extras main multiverse universe
[10:44] <Computer__Guru> that right?
[10:45] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, no
[10:45] <Seveas> http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ hoary-extras main etc...
[10:46] <Sherei> hi everyone...
[10:46] <Computer__Guru> ah
[10:46] <salapoliisi> ahh
[10:46] <salapoliisi> :D
[10:46] <salapoliisi> thank you autocompile
[10:47] <Sherei> I am very new to ubuntu and well linux alltoger...  I was using Mandrake and someone told me to uce Ubuntu..  But i have some questions.....
[10:47] <djp> FlannelKing: what do i need to type at the bash prompt? i typed file -s /dev/fd0 and it returned the following, /dev/fd0: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x34, OEM-ID "IBM  3.3", root entries 224, sectors 2880 (volumes <=32 MB) , sectors/FAT 9, dos < 4.0 BootSector (0x0)
[10:47] <Seveas> Sherei, welcome aboard! Ask all you want
[10:47] <Computer__Guru> do i want bleeding as well?
[10:48] <Sherei> I need to have libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) installed but only have 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 installed   How can I upgrade?
[10:48] <leroj> what do i do with a .run file?
[10:49] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, no :)
[10:49] <Seveas> Sherei, you should NOT upgrade that
[10:49] <Computer__Guru> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:49] <Computer__Guru>   transcode: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-7) but 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 is to be installed
[10:49] <Computer__Guru> that sucks
[10:49] <Computer__Guru> why me
[10:49] <Seveas> instead: don't use debian packages on hoary, use ubuntu packages
[10:49] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, you need hoary-backports too
[10:49] <Seveas> the newer libgcc1 is in there
[10:49] <se7enone> I am extremely new to ubuntu! can someone help me with a couple of questions?
[10:49] <paines> hi
[10:50] <Amaranth> Anyone here using breezy, _DO NOT_ get xorg -35.
[10:50] <action09> se7enone ask it :)
[10:50] <abhayks> I am on Breezy
[10:50] <salapoliisi> karsten: now i got stuck, while doing "mount -o loop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-powerpc /mnt/initrd" (not really powerpc, i changed that) it says that there aren't any free loop devices
[10:50] <pepsix> Amaranth, ? im completely updated
[10:50] <Sherei> Ok Seveas...thanx..  but the program I am installing requires it.. any thoughts?
[10:50] <paines> isn't there a bugs page for ubuntu ?
[10:50] <paines> can't find it
[10:50] <se7enone> how do i install applications such as xmms if i don't have a net connection?
[10:51] <Seveas> Sherei, which program?
[10:51] <Amaranth> pepsix: It hasn't hit the mirrors yet.
[10:51] <pepsix> oh fun ;D
[10:51] <Amaranth> pepsix: Don't upgrade when it does though.
[10:51] <Seveas> se7enone, you can download them via http://packages.ubuntu.com and put them on a usb-stick oslt
[10:51] <pepsix> ok
[10:51] <karsten> se7enone: Install it from disk or CD.
[10:51] <Sherei> ummm.. it is called showeq
[10:51] <Seveas> paines, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:51] <Computer__Guru> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[10:51] <Computer__Guru>   libgcc1 libpostproc0 libavcodeccvs transcode transcode-doc
[10:51] <Computer__Guru> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ?
[10:51] <Computer__Guru> ok?
[10:51] <paines> Seveas: thanks
[10:51] <Seveas> paines, and launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone
[10:51] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, yes
[10:51] <Computer__Guru> cool
[10:52] <karsten> se7enone: There's tools such as apt-zip which allow you to install via transfer media (Zip drive, USB drive, CD, etc) if necessary
[10:52] <se7enone> from then is is fairly simple to install on the pc at home? do i use synaptic or is there another way?
[10:52] <Computer__Guru> wtf are backports, anyways?
[10:52] <Prof_Frink> se7enone: dpkg
[10:52] <Amaranth> Computer__Guru: Things from breezy built for hoary.
[10:52] <spanglesontoast> anyone know if the gparted problem is going to be fixed?
[10:52] <Computer__Guru> breezy is the next big thing, right?
[10:52] <Amaranth> yeah
[10:52] <se7enone> can i get apt-zip from the same place or will that already be included in the hoary release?
[10:52] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, yes
[10:53] <abhayks> Computer_Guru Breezy is the next ubuntu release
[10:53] <Computer__Guru> okay, so backports is like tomorrows packages for todays system
[10:53] <Computer__Guru> cool
[10:53] <Computer__Guru> i like
[10:53] <Seveas> :)
[10:53] <salapoliisi> karsten: can you give me the directory, i can't find anything at cdrom or media/cdrom etc
[10:53] <Computer__Guru> now EVERY program k3b wants is there :D
[10:53] <petros> hi!
[10:53] <djp> FlannelKing: sudo mount-t vfat /dev/fd0, command not found
[10:54] <karsten> salapoliisi: Sorry, directory for what?
[10:54] <djp> FlannelKing: sudo mount-t msdos /dev/fd0, command not found
[10:54] <Computer__Guru> k3b will by default burn mp3's as an audio cd, right?
[10:54] <petros> im trying to get my cardreader on my samsung notebook running...
[10:54] <Seveas> djp, mount -t
[10:54] <petros> has anyone experience with that?
[10:54] <salapoliisi> karsten: how can i do that from cd?
[10:54] <abhayks> djp:  sudo mount -y
[10:54] <Seveas> watch the space
[10:54] <se7enone> can i get apt-zip from the same place or will that already be included in the hoary release?
[10:54] <abhayks> mount -t i mean
[10:54] <paines> anyone doing lisp and emacs ? I just installed common-lisp-compiler and clisp on ubuntu and ever since then emacs is crashing
[10:54] <abhayks> there is a gap between mount and " -t"
[10:54] <karsten> salapoliisi: do *what*?
[10:55] <Seveas> se7enone, apt-zip can be downloaded from the repositories
[10:55] <salapoliisi> karsten: you said "install from the cd"
[10:55] <se7enone> thanks guys
[10:55] <salapoliisi> karsten: when i told you about the error
[10:55] <Tarcastil> Seveas: just wanted to let you know I got it working now. Thanks again
[10:55] <karsten> salapoliisi: Ah... Missed a comment.  And I think that was a mangling, I meant se7enone
[10:56] <karsten> salapoliisi: ls /dev/loop*
[10:56] <karsten> salapoliisi: ...how many of 'em are there?
[10:56] <karsten> salapoliisi: IIRC there's 4 or 8 by default, install disk may differ.
[10:56] <Sherei> Seveas you must have missed it....  program is called showeq  several other files need upgrading also,  Libgcc1 and libqt3c102-mt
[10:56] <salapoliisi> karsten: it says 0
[10:56] <leroj> what will come after breezy?
[10:56] <djp> Seveas: how do i view the files on the disk. i typed sudo mount -t /dev/hdo and it returned me to the bash prompt
[10:57] <salapoliisi> leroj: i think we'd have to ged breezy working before we can think about that, or it would be same that microsoft does
[10:57] <Seveas> Sherei, hmm, try to get the sources for the package and use dpkg-buildpackage
[10:58] <Sherei> Ok thanx....
[10:58] <Seveas> djp, you should specify the dir to mount it in (unless it's in /etc/fstab)
[10:58] <Computer__Guru> is there a program that authors dvd's from mpegs and avis and divx and such? something like nerovision express?
[10:58] <Seveas> leroj, ask sabdfl, he invents the names :)
[10:58] <calamari> is there a way to rescan for disk devices, such as /dev/hda1, without rebooting?
[10:59] <Seveas> calamari, re-scan?
[10:59] <calamari> seveas: discover.. find.. I dunno the right word for it:)
[10:59] <karsten> salapoliisi: 'makedev /dev/loop0 c 7 0
[10:59] <pepsix> hrm
[10:59] <salapoliisi> i got headache from this install, why doesn't it work like last time >:(
[10:59] <londonboi2k3> hi guys, i have a md5 mismatch while trying to install libsqlite0-dev_2.8.15-3_i386.deb is there anyway to force apt to download it regardless?
[10:59] <karsten> salapoliisi: ...I think.  Should create a loop0 device.  1-8 are same with last number as 1-8 respectively.
[10:59] <pepsix> why was grumpy changed to breezy?
[11:00] <karsten> londonboi2k3: Delete the locally cached copy.
[11:00] <bob2> leroj: it hasn't been decided yet
[11:00] <Seveas> calamari, what are you trying to accomplish?
[11:00] <karsten> londonboi2k3: It's in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[11:00] <bob2> pepsix: grumpy is now something else
[11:00] <londonboi2k3> ahh ok thanks
[11:00] <salapoliisi> karsten: makedev command not found
[11:00] <leroj> bob2, ok
[11:00] <Seveas> londonboi2k3, look at the topic too
[11:00] <bob2> leroj: forcing it won't help at all.  if you're using us.archive.ubuntu.com, it's broken; use archive.ubuntu.com instead.
[11:01] <calamari> seveas: trying to get /dev/hda1 to work (bad hard drive).. right now I get "cat: /dev/hda1: No such device or address"
[11:01] <pepsix> bob2 meant londonboi2k3
[11:01] <djp> Seveas: it is in etc/fstab
[11:01] <Computer__Guru> is there a program that authors dvd's from mpegs and avis and divx and such? something like nerovision express?
[11:01] <Seveas> calamari, sudo fdisk -l
[11:01] <karsten> salapoliisi: My bad,  Uppercase:  MAKEDEV
[11:01] <bob2> er, right
[11:01] <eno> hi I feel like installing a new OS.  if I install another version of linux, can it use the same swap space?
[11:01] <bob2> sorry, leroj
[11:01] <djp> if i change to that directory /media/floppy0, nothing is listed when i use the ls command
[11:01] <bob2> eno: yes
[11:01] <calamari> seveas: running
[11:01] <Seveas> eno, yes, unless you are hibernating one and then booting the other
[11:02] <calamari> seems to be trying to do something with the drive, although it may be a while :)
[11:02] <eno> no, that is too complicated for me I think
[11:02] <londonboi2k3> ok, I still can't download libsqlite0-dev its still saying md5 mismatch
[11:02] <londonboi2k3> i cleaned the cache aswell
[11:02] <Seveas> londonboi2k3, look at the topic...
[11:02] <leroj> what do i do with a .run?
[11:02] <Computer__Guru> anyone?
[11:02] <Seveas> leroj, run it :)
[11:02] <hanasaki> anyone know the target date for postgres8 in unbuntu?
[11:02] <Computer__Guru> it's a simple question
[11:03] <leroj> Seveas, how?
[11:03] <abhayks> regarding hibernating-- on hoary My thinkpad used to hibernate perfectly well. Now It hangs somewhere in between
[11:03] <Seveas> hanasaki, it's there already
[11:03] <londonboi2k3> i have looked at the topic, nothing there sayiong anything about libsqlite
[11:03] <karsten> leroj: 'file foo.run'.  What kind of file is it?
[11:03] <Seveas> londonboi2k3, no the us.archive bit
[11:03] <pepsix> bob2, so whats grumpy now?
[11:03] <djp> if i change to that directory /media/floppy0, nothing is listed when i use the ls command Seveas
[11:03] <karsten> leroj: 'man file' for more info.
[11:03] <bob2> pepsix: wait and see :)
[11:03] <hanasaki> Seveas:  dam.. where?
[11:03] <salapoliisi> karsten: heh, okay now it says that "/sbin/MAKEDEV can't read proc/devices and don't know how to make device loop0
[11:03] <Seveas> hanasaki, breezy :)
[11:03] <hanasaki> Seveas:  you see my paste in flood?
[11:03] <karsten> djp: Mount your floppy
[11:03] <Seveas> it will never hit hoary
[11:03] <pepsix> breezy threw off the whole qualities-of-a-bad-date naming convention
[11:03] <leroj> it's the america's army installer-thingy
[11:03] <londonboi2k3> oh, well can i change us. to uk.?
[11:03] <hanasaki> Seveas: i need to pass then till breezy goes stable? which is when?
[11:04] <karsten> salapoliisi: mount /proc
[11:04] <abhayks> on shutdown -- it stops after "Stopping LWN Volume manager"
[11:04] <karsten> salapoliisi: I'm about to crash hard.  Bug bob2 or ask channel for further support, OK?
[11:04] <bob2> karsten: 'night
[11:04] <Computer__Guru> does ANYONE know of a program similar to NEROVision eXpress for linux? A program that will let me add mpegs or avis or divx files, and will transcode them to dvd and build menus n such?
[11:04] <pepsix> londonboi2k3, just remove the us.
[11:04] <bob2> londonboi2k3: just archive.ubuntu.com
[11:04] <Seveas> hanasaki, it's due out in october and starting to freeze already so it will gradually stabilize
[11:04] <leroj> ooh
[11:04] <salapoliisi> karsten: i'll try
[11:04] <leroj> i have to go :&
[11:04] <leroj> bye
[11:04] <karsten> bob2: 'night.
[11:04] <pepsix> oh.. hes asking cause he resides in .uk :)
[11:04] <salapoliisi> karsten: thank's for help at this point
[11:04] <karsten> salapoliisi: NP
[11:05] <bob2> yes, but uk.archive = archive
[11:05] <djp> karsten: mount /dev/fd0 returns, mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified
[11:05] <hanasaki> Seveas:  good.. i may look at the bugs and just goto it then.  any list of major updates between the hjoary/breezy?
[11:05] <target> linux sucks and will never replace windows or osx
[11:05] <Seveas> hanasaki, a lot
[11:05] <salapoliisi> bob2: hello there :) karsten told to ask you
[11:05] <Seveas> hanasaki, and currently it's unusable
[11:05] <ColonelKernel> target, then why are you here?
[11:05] <abhayks> target:: thanks for the information. B/w what are u doing on a linux irc
[11:05] <Computer__Guru> target == ignore
[11:06] <karsten> djp: Supply a filesystem type....
[11:06] <bob2> salapoliisi: are you using a default kernel?
[11:06] <se7enone> packages.ubuntu.com says xmms is dependant on a whole bunch of libraries. How will I know if they are already on my system and how do I set them up if not. Also, without an internet connection, how do install from the repositories. or should i go read a book...
[11:06] <salapoliisi> bob2: i think so
[11:06] <bob2> salapoliisi: what does "uname -r" print?
[11:06] <Seveas> se7enone, dkpg -l can tell you
[11:06] <eno> thanks
[11:06] <abhayks> any idea about clean Shutdown in Breezy
[11:06] <Computer__Guru> seveas, did you see my question?
[11:06] <Seveas> bob2, too much honour for a simple troll :)
[11:07] <FlannelKing> se7enone, do you have your ubuntu hoary cd?
[11:07] <ColonelKernel> i wanted to hear his answer
[11:07] <djp> karsten: how?
[11:07] <salapoliisi> bob2: 2.6.10-5-386
[11:07] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, yes but I have no answer
[11:07] <pepsix> abhayks, why cant you shutdown?
[11:07] <se7enone> sorry, i'm very new to the linux system. haven't got a clue what you mean. do i run that command from the terminal
[11:07] <bob2> abhayks: I assume you check the bts, and that you're using a default kernel, etc?
[11:07] <ColonelKernel> why he was here using ubuntu if he hated it so much
[11:07] <Computer__Guru> ah
[11:07] <se7enone> yes got the cd
[11:07] <bob2> salapoliisi: then "sudo modprobe loop" should be plenty
[11:07] <Computer__Guru> then i take it there is no such creature :( that's both surprising and a shame
[11:07] <salapoliisi> bob2: but i think i should tell you about my situation before you can help me :D
[11:07] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, that's not what I said
[11:07] <FlannelKing> se7enone, you can use the CD to get some stuff, when youre offline, however its obviously limited to what will fit on a CD
[11:08] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, I just never used such a program so I cannot tell :)
[11:08] <abhayks> bob2: uname -a
[11:08] <Computer__Guru> I know, but if you don't know of it, I doubt it exists
[11:08] <abhayks> Linux abhayks 2.6.12-2-686 #1 Wed Jun 22 16:29:50 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:08] <se7enone> you reckon apt-zip sould be on the cd i downloaded?
[11:08] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, hehe, there exists zillions of programs I don't know :)
[11:08] <Computer__Guru> uname -a:
[11:08] <Computer__Guru> Linux psilocybin 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:08] <FlannelKing> se7enone, do you have internet on it at all?
[11:08] <bob2> can we not all paste that please?
[11:08] <se7enone> i can connect if i have to
[11:09] <FlannelKing> no, apt-zip will not be on that CD, its in universe
[11:09] <rasputnik> in gnome-term, I can right-click->open a url to open in firefox. Can I set it to do that on a simple click?
[11:09] <salapoliisi> bob2: the problem was that when i took my mini-itx computer at work, it didn't start, and said something about kernel panic, it didn't find the disk's or something like that, and now im doing this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=42546&postcount=14
[11:09] <Madpilot> odd... isn't "Lock Screen" supposed to kick in right away?
[11:09] <Seveas> Madpilot, it is...
[11:09] <Madpilot> OK, mine isn't.
[11:09] <FlannelKing> se7enone, however, you can just download it and sneakernet to the machine, and then install it
[11:09] <djp> karsten: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 horray! sorry guys. i finally got my brain in to gear
[11:10] <djp> thanks all
[11:10] <abhayks> one more thing -- How do I install pystatgrab on breezy ?
[11:10] <pepsix> abhayks, by breaking other stuff :D thats how it always goes
[11:11] <rasputnik> any sign of a new firefox? 1.0.5 out this morning, fixes loads of nasty bugs
[11:11] <Madpilot> nope, still no Lock Screen. WTH?
[11:11] <bob2> salapoliisi: so why are you messing with loop devices?
[11:11] <calamari> seveas: fdisk -l has finally completed, but generated no output
[11:11] <abhayks> pepsix: there has to be a clean way
[11:11] <Seveas> calamari, :|
[11:12] <gyaresu> Madpilot, I had that. reboot fixed it. hasn't happened again.
[11:12] <Seveas> fdisk -l should take just a few seconds
[11:12] <Seveas> if it takes longer, your drives are seriously b0rken
[11:12] <salapoliisi> bob2: the guide says so :/
[11:12] <Madpilot> gyaresu: drat, i was doing so well. this machine has been up since Thursday last week... :)
[11:12] <bob2> yay forums
[11:12] <bob2> it's your birthday
[11:12] <gyaresu> Madpilot,  :)
[11:12] <calamari> seveas: yeah it is.. I've been doing data recovery on it.. maybe i've done as much as I could :)
[11:12] <salapoliisi> bob2: so im just stupid machine witch tryes to follow commands that are given
[11:13] <Seveas> sounds like it calamari
[11:13] <Madpilot> ah well. time to sleep, anyway. good night/morning/whatever, everyone
[11:13] <bob2> salapoliisi: what led you to think you need to play with your initrd?
[11:13] <hanasaki> trying to install flashplugin-nonfree  and i got /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/uri/common.rb:432:in `split': bad URI(is not URI?): http://proxy_http:8080 (URI::InvalidURIError)
[11:13] <hanasaki>         from /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/uri/common.rb:481:in `parse'
[11:14] <hanasaki> i am behind a squid proxy
[11:14] <salapoliisi> bob2: karsten gave me a link how to fix that kernel panic problem, and now im following it, but it won't work
[11:14] <bob2> hanasaki: try adding a final slash
[11:14] <hanasaki> hmm ok
[11:14] <hanasaki> wont break other stuff?
[11:15] <Sonderblade> when i use synaptic to install some packages it asks me to insert the ubuntu cd-rom but i want to download them from the internet
[11:15] <gyaresu> Sonderblade, if you've apt-get update'd then they will be the latest ones.
[11:15] <deFrysk> Sonderblade, put a commnent in the cd line of your sources.list
[11:15] <bob2> Sonderblade: so, configure apt to not use the cd.  if you're using synaptic, use the repository manager thing to not use the cd
[11:16] <bob2> Sonderblade: otherwise, comment it out in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:16] <FlannelKing> Sonderblade, you have to enable the repositories
[11:16] <gyaresu> Sonderblade, you can co.... do what deFrysk said :)
[11:16] <bob2> salapoliisi: I'm not really sure how that forum post is supposed to help
[11:16] <deFrysk> gyaresu, bleh ;p
[11:17] <deFrysk> Sonderblade, 5 answers in 3 secs, what more do you want ?
[11:17] <salapoliisi> bob2: so do you have any advice then what to do?
[11:17] <bob2> banning the nick would be plenty
[11:17] <Seveas> bob2, it's a dynamic ip
[11:17] <bob2> I'm just lazy and hoping they stop
[11:17] <Seveas> and he changes ident constantly
[11:18] <bob2> salapoliisi: did you find out what happened to the disk yet?
[11:18] <hanasaki> bob2:  where does that proxy get picked up from? i tried settng the evn var   http_proxy=  but the old value is still used
[11:19] <bob2> no idea
[11:19] <Sonderblade> very good :) but isn't there a way to do it by point and clicking?
[11:19] <salapoliisi> bob2: since i have installed ubuntu at this machine once, and it worked just fine, but now i got all weird problems
[11:19] <bob2> setting it will only help if apt is run under that, tho
[11:20] <bob2> salapoliisi: it just sounds like your disk is screwed
[11:20] <bob2> Sonderblade: 19:15:54 @         bob2 | Sonderblade: so, configure apt to not use the cd.  if you're using synaptic, use the repository manager thing to not use the cd
[11:21] <se7enone> once .deb files are downloaded onto memory stick and taken home to my ubuntu machine, where do i copy the files to and what is the syntax for apt-get?
[11:21] <bob2> it's not that simple
[11:22] <se7enone> i wish it was
[11:22] <gyaresu> se7enone, put them anywhere and then 'dpkg -i thing.deb'
[11:22] <bob2> well, it's pretty simple
[11:22] <bob2> but not that simple
[11:22] <se7enone> i got too much microsoft in my brain for this stuff
[11:22] <bob2> drop them on your disk somewhere
[11:22] <salapoliisi> bob2: i don't think that's the problem, debian worked just fine yesterday(and the other 29days before that :D) and then i installed ubuntu, it booted up nice i could see deskop and all, then i shut it down, and at the morning i took ide-cdrom off, and took the machine here, and then it didn't start
[11:23] <bob2> and run "dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages", then add a line to /etc/apt/sources.list (at the top) like this: "deb file:///path/to/the/dir/ ./"
[11:23] <bob2> salapoliisi: ok
[11:23] <bob2> nevermind then
[11:24] <salapoliisi> bob2: so you don't have any ideas?
[11:24] <gyaresu> salapoliisi, can you get into 'recovery mode'
[11:24] <mattb__> hello
[11:24] <salapoliisi> gyaresu: boot from cd and then type rescue?
[11:25] <Sonderblade> bob2, oh there i didn't see it first
[11:25] <bob2> salapoliisi: I don't think you've said what the first problem was yet
[11:25] <mattb__> where would I go to ask about python enviroment variable problems with ubuntu
[11:25] <gyaresu> salapoliisi, nah. can you boot the machine to grub(?)
[11:25] <Seveas> mattb__, here
[11:25] <Seveas> or #python
[11:25] <Seveas> but if it's ubuntu related, try here first :)
[11:25] <mattb__> its actuall to do with smeg...
[11:25] <bob2> no, here, since I doubt very very much you've found a python problem
[11:25] <bob2> then ask Amaranth
[11:26] <mattb__> but I have noticed python problems with all py programs
[11:26] <Amaranth> hi
[11:26] <salapoliisi> gyaresu: i don't know anymore at this point, let's see what happens if i reboot
[11:26] <bob2> mattb__: for example?
[11:26] <Computer__Guru> Seveas: kmediafactory does the job, except it doesn't transcode the files to MPEG2 for you.. but there are plenty of apps with nice frontends that will do that for you...
[11:26] <salapoliisi> gyaresu: but it did boot to grub then, yes
[11:26] <gyaresu> salapoliisi, kernel panic is usually cause the partition isn't mounted. IMO.
[11:26] <Seveas> Computer__Guru, thnx for the info
[11:26] <mattb__> simply I get ImportError: No module named os
[11:27] <Seveas> mattb__, :|
[11:27] <khurtiz2> !mod
[11:27] <ubotu> I don't know, khurtiz2
[11:27] <Seveas> that's... odd
[11:27] <bob2> mattb__: sudo apt-get --reinstall install python2.4
[11:27] <gyaresu> salapoliisi, choose your kernel versions 'recovery mode'
[11:27] <mattb__> actually the whole message is....
[11:27] <mattb__> 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
[11:27] <mattb__> Traceback (most recent call last):
[11:27] <mattb__>   File "/usr/bin/smeg", line 23, in ?
[11:27] <mattb__>     import os, sys, pickle, cgi
[11:27] <mattb__> ImportError: No module named os
[11:27] <Amaranth> o_O
[11:28] <mattb__> sorry for all the room
[11:28] <khurtiz2> !packages
[11:28] <ubotu> it has been said that packages is http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[11:28] <Seveas> mattb__, please don't paste in her...
[11:28] <Amaranth> how did you break python so bad?
[11:28] <gyaresu> mattb__, don't paste here.
[11:28] <Seveas> here*
[11:28] <bob2> khurtiz2: you can talk to the bot in /msg
[11:28] <mattb__> sorry
[11:28] <Seveas> mattb__, have you manually deleted python files/folders?
[11:28] <salapoliisi> gyaresu: let's not hurry, i just installed ubuntu again while ago, now it seems to start, but if i reboot after that, will it start again?
[11:28] <gyaresu> mattb__, s'aight :)
[11:28] <mattb__> no manual deleting
[11:29] <gyaresu> salapoliisi, 0_o ???
[11:29] <gyaresu> salapoliisi, more verbosity please :)
[11:29] <Seveas> mattb__, can you put the output of dpkg -l '*python*' on the pastebin
[11:30] <salapoliisi> gyaresu: well just wait, let's see what it says now
[11:30] <salapoliisi> gyaresu: my original problem might be gone
[11:30] <moko> hi folks
[11:30] <mattb__> paste bin??
[11:30] <acid2> rafb.net/paste
[11:30] <bob2> just paste it to #flood
[11:31] <gyaresu> mattb__, paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[11:31] <lesshaste> is it possible to configure to use other search engines than google?
[11:31] <lesshaste> configure firefox!
[11:32] <bob2> lesshaste: sure, click on the google logo next to the search box
[11:32] <Alfred1881> hey all i need a prog to cut a soundtrack from a movie (VCD) , please help me
[11:32] <mattb__> I have pasted to #flood
[11:33] <gyaresu> Alfred1881, Demultiplexing eh? sorry. nope.
[11:33] <moko> could someone help me with a little audio prob? xmms starts but can't hear anything
[11:33] <bob2> mattb__: sudo aptitude install python
[11:33] <moko> and other players do work perfectly
[11:33] <bob2> for a stater
[11:33] <bob2> moko: configure it to use the esound output plugin
[11:33] <gyaresu> moko, have you changed the output in xmms prefs?
[11:33] <moko> yes tried oss and alsa
[11:33] <moko> have nvidia nforce
[11:33] <bob2> moko: no, tell it to use esound
[11:34] <lesshaste> bob2, !!! So simple :)
[11:34] <moko> esound?
[11:34] <moko> could you explain me please?
[11:34] <lesshaste> bob2, now I just want to make it choose one at random
[11:34] <bob2> moko: go to the list of output plugins.  select the esound one.
[11:34] <bob2> or explain which part of the answer was unclear...
[11:34] <se7enone> bob2: so i don't need to use apt-get to install the app?
[11:34] <moko> ah oki just trying...
[11:34] <bob2> se7enone: I don't know what you're refering to
[11:34] <mattb__> bob2 I have ran the command what does it do?
[11:34] <moko> wow
[11:34] <moko> it works
[11:34] <Alfred1881> hey all i need a prog to cut a audiosample from a movie (VCD) , please help me
[11:34] <se7enone> .deb downloads on memory stick... sorry
[11:35] <moko> thank you very much!!!!
[11:35] <bob2> Alfred1881: kino, presumably
[11:35] <gyaresu> moko, 'cat /proc/asound/cards
[11:35] <Seveas> mattb__, if that is all, you have a serious python problem
[11:35] <Seveas> you should not have removed all these packages
[11:35] <bob2> se7enone: no, you should have dpkg-scanpackages already
[11:35] <Tuxist> hi
[11:35] <se7enone> oki
[11:35] <gyaresu> moko, ignore me. congrats.
[11:36] <mattb__> Seveas, are you refering to the output in #flood?
[11:36] <moko> yeah I thought I was supposed to use output source nvidia
[11:36] <moko> as soundcard is that
[11:36] <bob2> no
[11:37] <moko> ehm,other question,'bout xchat, there's a server I reach using chatzilla, but not with xchat
[11:37] <moko> it says it don't exist
[11:38] <mattb__> whereis python prints.......in #flood
[11:38] <moko> when tryin to connect
[11:38] <hussam> moko: what is the server?
[11:38] <bob2> mattb__: when did you remove a bunch of python packages?
[11:38] <moko> server is chat.adunanza.net
[11:39] <moko> I just write /server command
[11:39] <eno> can I resize my primary linux partition?
[11:39] <salapoliisi> bob2: nothing to worry, it seems to work now, when i installed it in server mode, but is it ubuntu-deskop, what i have to download now to get X and other stuff?
[11:39] <bob2> salapoliisi: ubuntu-desktop
[11:39] <Seveas> mattb__, yes i was refering to that
[11:40] <salapoliisi> bob2: okay thanks
[11:41] <gyaresu> eno, yes with qtparted is the easiest, but you run the risk of killing the whole partition structure.
[11:41] <hussam> moko: could it be irc.chat.adunanza.net or irc.adunanza.net ?
[11:41] <mattb__> bob2 I was not aware that I had. Synaptic says I have pythoon2.4 installed
[11:41] <moko> uhm, if I use chatzilla I just write irc://chat.adunanza.net on the browser
[11:41] <moko> and it works
[11:42] <moko> so I thinjk it's chat.adunana.net
[11:43] <hussam> moko: doesn't work here as well, i'll try in konversation
[11:43] <hussam> moko: it won't work in xchat here as well
[11:43] <moko> ok
[11:44] <moko> maybe I 'll try to ask to adunanza admin
[11:45] <siimo> hussam, i think its irc.chat.adunanza.net  cos you can ping it but not without the irc
[11:45] <hussam> in konversation, I get connecting....
[11:46] <hussam> then I get a connection refused error.
[11:46] <siimo> hussam, same here
[11:46] <siimo> both wont work
[11:47] <sexcopter8000m> hi, every time i boot ubuntu, at some point soon after logging in something accesses both my hard drives solidly for a few seconds. is this normal? Is it some kind of indexing for searching?
[11:47] <bob2> updatedb will run from anacron if you reboot your computer often
[11:47] <hussam> the person who asked "moko" is gone anyway,
[11:47] <sexcopter8000m> !uodatedb
[11:47] <ubotu> sexcopter8000m: Are you smoking crack?
[11:47] <sexcopter8000m> oops
[11:47] <sexcopter8000m> !updatedb
[11:47] <ubotu> Wish i knew, sexcopter8000m
[11:47] <moko> ok here I'm back
[11:48] <sexcopter8000m> hmm
[11:48] <bob2> man updatedb.
[11:48] <moko> falling down...
[11:48] <sexcopter8000m> k
[11:48] <hussam> moko: it won't work in konversation as well
[11:48] <hussam> what's updatedb ?
[11:49] <bob2> "man updatedb" will tell you
[11:49] <moko> ok hussan, I will ask adunanza admins for infos, tnx :)
[11:49] <Will_> Nothing like that first cup of coffee of a morning
[11:49] <sexcopter8000m> ok, so it basically is some index for searching
[11:50] <bob2> yes
[11:50] <sexcopter8000m> hmm, just ran it and it only accessed the drive with ubuntu on it
[11:50] <hussam> is updatedb on by default?
[11:50] <sexcopter8000m> i can tell, the sound is very different
[11:50] <bob2> yes
[11:51] <sexcopter8000m> so i wonder what's accessing the other drive - the one with windows on
[11:51] <salapoliisi> great, how can i configure network in unix?
[11:51] <sexcopter8000m> if i were leet i could probably look at some clever logs or something, but well, iono :P
[11:51] <bob2> there's no general unix way
[11:51] <bob2> in debian-based linux systems, /etc/network/interfaces
[11:51] <salapoliisi> bob2: is there "easy way"
[11:52] <gyaresu> sexcopter8000m, is your windows partition mounted at startup?
[11:52] <bob2> editing that file is pretty easy
[11:52] <sexcopter8000m> yes
[11:52] <salapoliisi> bob2: okay, i'll try that
[11:52] <bob2> so would be using whatever is in system -> administration -> networking
[11:52] <gyaresu> then updatedb would be scanning that partition if you manually ran the command now.
[11:52] <moko> have to go, thanks everyone for help :)
[11:52] <moko> see ya
[11:52] <rob^> pfft wheres that g0rden fella when you need him from yesterday? its bug squashing time
[11:52] <mattb__> Seveas: What am I meant to have installed?
[11:53] <sexcopter8000m> so why didn't it scan windows just now (when i manually ran it)?
[11:53] <mattb__> I have been having python problems with blenders python scripting system as well
[11:53] <gyaresu> sexcopter8000m, did you run it as root?
[11:53] <sexcopter8000m> yes, sudo
[11:54] <sexcopter8000m> 'tis only way to work it (as i found out :P)
[11:54] <gyaresu> sexcopter8000m, doesn't matter. it would have. 0_o
[11:54] <mattb__> says that it also cannot import modules....
[11:54] <qt2> err... strange...
[11:54] <gyaresu> sexcopter8000m, unless that partition isn't mounted at the moment.
[11:54] <hussam> this updatedb thing, do I run it manually, schedule or what?
[11:54] <qt2> when i do a  glxinfo | grep "direct rendering" i get "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"." a lot.... <.<;
[11:54] <sexcopter8000m> if i just type updatedb, i get "fatal error: updatedb: You are not authorized to create a default slocate database!"
[11:55] <gyaresu> sexcopter8000m, yeah. not as root. right?
[11:55] <qt2> sexcopter8000m, err, try 'sudo updatedb'
[11:55] <qt2> and enter your root password.
[11:55] <gyaresu> sexcopter8000m, so it IS indexing the mounted windows dir.
[11:56] <bob2> hussam: anacron runs it
[11:56] <siimo> root password?
[11:56] <siimo> user password.
[11:56] <sexcopter8000m> gyaresu, wtf? when i run it with sudo, it accesses my new harddrive, which is quieter, but not my windows one, which is noticably clunkier sounding
[11:56] <hussam> bob2: where does it store the index databases?
[11:57] <gyaresu> sexcopter8000m, reboot | drop to another terminal (CTL+ALT+F2) |run 'top'
[11:57] <qt2> slomo, err... *blinks* to use sudo to run commands that need root?
[11:57] <gyaresu> sexcopter8000m, see whats going on.
[11:57] <bob2> hussam: /var/lib/slocate/
[11:58] <Computer__Guru> Seveas: The corresponding program to convert between about 30 different video formats, including vcd, divx, dvd, etc is avidemux. which can be built into a .deb from sources, then installed :D requires an outside apt-source though
[11:58] <hussam> bob2: so it is scheduled by anacron? how do I know if it has ran on my system before?
[11:59] <eno> so how do I do it in qtparrted?  I don't think it wants to repartition while the drive is mounted or something
[11:59] <sanitario> does anyone know of an easy way of configuring a mail server for several domains and virtual users?
[11:59] <gyaresu> eno, are you asking me?
[11:59] <sanitario> easy as in like web or gui interface...
[12:00] <hussam> bob2: is it scheduled by default or do I have to schedule it myself?
[12:00] <eno> whoever I guess
[12:00] <eno> if you dont mind :S
[12:00] <gyaresu> sanitario, webmin
[12:00] <craz3d> How can I enable my Optical S/PDIF audio out?
[12:00] <qt2> err, how do i get a version of the x server with GL support?
[12:00] <bob2> hussam: it will run by default
[12:00] <sanitario> gyaresu: any other ideas?
[12:01] <gyaresu> sanitario, you need more?
[12:01] <bob2> sanitario: http://kirb.insanegenius.net/postfix.html
[12:01] <bob2> sanitario: tho that is of course massive overkill
[12:01] <bob2> qt2: it has nothing to do with your version of the X server
[12:01] <sanitario> gyaresu: I'm not sure, just that I didn't really like webmin last time I used it
[12:01] <sanitario> bob2: thx, will check it out
[12:02] <qt2> bob2, it does if my x server doesnt have GLX support.
[12:02] <bob2> qt2: tell us what video card you have
[12:02] <gyaresu> sanitario, no easier interface that i know of. not unless you buy it.
[12:02] <bob2> qt2: no, that also has nothing to do with the X server
[12:02] <qt2> bob2, geforce 4 mx440.
[12:02] <bob2> (in the sense that you mean)
[12:02] <bob2> qt2: so, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:03] <qt2> bob2, hm, i see.
[12:03] <craz3d> Anyone know how to enable Optical Audio?
[12:03] <sexcopter8000m> hehe, can you say "oops"?
[12:03] <eno> ok I have to go to work, I will ask agian this aft
[12:03] <hussam> bob2: should the folder /var/lib/slocate/ be only accessible by root?
[12:03] <gyaresu> sanitario, problem is not setting that stuff up. it's maintaining it. things break.
[12:04] <sanitario> gyaresu: well, yeah, but for now, it's just setting it up ;D
[12:04] <sexcopter8000m> i just pressed ctrl alt f2 to see what would happen, and it logs out and closes gnome.... and i don't know the command to start it back up!
[12:04] <sanitario> can't wait till hula is production ready
[12:04] <bob2> craz3d: highly card-specific
[12:05] <gyaresu> sexcopter8000m, CTL+ALT+F7
[12:05] <bob2> hussam: the default permisssions are fine
[12:05] <feugan3333> I've changed some options in my kernel and recompiled, I've placed my kernel image in /boot. But I don't understand what to do with the initrd option in grub. Can I use exactly the same initrd option?
[12:05] <sexcopter8000m> what, that starts it up again?
[12:05] <craz3d> It's onboard (NF2 Ultra 400 chipset)
[12:05] <gyaresu> sexcopter8000m, each F Key from 1 to 7 usually is a terminal.
[12:05] <bob2> craz3d: then go google and find out if it works at all
[12:05] <gyaresu> sexcopter8000m, F7 being the one X runs on.
[12:05] <hussam> bob2: currently it is only accessible by root.
[12:05] <sexcopter8000m> ah ok, what about 1?
[12:05] <craz3d> bob2; I've been googling it for a few hours.
[12:06] <gyaresu> sexcopter8000m, Has all the boot up info. hard to type commands on.
[12:06] <sexcopter8000m> ok
[12:06] <gyaresu> sexcopter8000m, ++ my habit.
[12:07] <bob2> hussam: yes, you use locate to access it
[12:07] <sexcopter8000m> well, it hasn't accessed yet, so i'm thinking it might be a daily scan or sommat. why it didn't seem to scan the windows partitions is a mystery but i'm not that bothered in the end
[12:07] <sexcopter8000m> thanks for the help =)
[12:07] <hussam> bob2: ok thanks.
[12:07] <gyaresu> sexcopter8000m, wellcome.
[12:07] <craz3d> bob2: Figures, as soon as I drop into a help channel, I'm told to get the 'unified nForce2 driver'.
[12:08] <mattb__> I have reinstalled python 2.4 via synaptic and I believe it failed...
[12:08] <pasv> Hello.
[12:09] <pasv> I'm having troubles getting alsa working. Or sound rather for mplayer and xmms
[12:09] <sexcopter8000m> buuuut, i can bring up a new question: when rebooting ('cos i didn't know how to bring X back up), it said / has been mounted 30 times without being checked, and forced a check. a) should i check it periodically myself, and how? b) will there be a log somewhere to see if it all was ok?
[12:09] <pasv> gnome's sound seems to work flawlessly though
[12:09] <hanasaki> anyone have the flash firefox 1.0.4 plugn woring?
[12:09] <hanasaki> i just get grey boxes
[12:09] <Computer__Guru> Encoding in Progress, music to mine eyes
[12:09] <phanter> hello, how can I find a filesystem connected via smb in nautilus (if, for example, i want to save something on it). I cannot find it in /media
[12:09] <Computer__Guru> we're makin DVD's baby
[12:09] <deFrysk> hanasaki, 1.04 ?
[12:10] <hanasaki> yes
[12:10] <bob2> phanter: nautilus doesn't mount it
[12:10] <gyaresu> phanter, you need to mount them.
[12:10] <deFrysk> from ?
[12:10] <hanasaki> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050608 Firefox/1.0.4 (Ubuntu package 1.0.4)
[12:10] <hanasaki> hmm 1.0.4
[12:10] <phanter> how can i do this?
[12:10] <hanasaki> man mount
[12:10] <phanter> bob2, gyaresu, how can i do this?
[12:11] <gyaresu> phanter, you are currently only browsing to them. you should go to wiki.ubuntu.com or for the quick "how to" ubuntuguide.com
[12:11] <salapoliisi> during the ubuntu installation, is there a way to see if my network card is really found or not?
[12:11] <deFrysk> hanasaki, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[12:11] <gyaresu> phanter, ubuntuguide.org sorry
[12:11] <hanasaki> did that
[12:12] <pasv> Err everytime mplayer or another app tries to access the sound it just freezes
[12:12] <pasv> :(
[12:12] <gyaresu> sexcopter8000m, you must have a fat or ext2 partition (both are non-journaling)
[12:12] <bob2> pasv: so, tell them to use esd
[12:12] <bob2> pasv: e.g. mplayer -vo xv -ao esd foo.avi
[12:13] <salapoliisi> i know there's a such a thing as alsa and esd, but what is osd?
[12:13] <bob2> phanter: sudo mount -t smbfs -o ro //ipofserver//sharename /mnt/
[12:13] <bob2> salapoliisi: "esd"
[12:13] <hanasaki> heh,,.. unstilled and reinstaleld and it works go figure.. thanks DeFi
[12:13] <pasv> oooo ty
[12:13] <hanasaki> deFrysk:
[12:13] <salapoliisi> bob2: so it's alternative esd?
[12:13] <lesshaste>  how do you unblock someone in gaim?
[12:14] <siimo> lesshaste, tools > privacy
[12:14] <Arsenio_Lupin> i've a problem with kmail and address book (kubuntu) someone can help me?
[12:14] <deFrysk> hanasaki, where did you get 1.4 from ?
[12:14] <pasv> bob2: it just tells me end of file
[12:14] <pasv> :\
[12:14] <gyaresu> bob2, the sudo command is a bit messy eh?
[12:14] <pasv> doesnt play the audio
[12:14] <Burgundavia> Arsenio_Lupin, you might want to try in #kubuntu
[12:14] <pasv> says no sound
[12:14] <bob2> salapoliisi: I don't understand you.  if you're asking about "esd", not "osd", then it's a sound server, and is more or less obsoleted by dmix
[12:14] <deFrysk> afaIk hoary is 1.02
[12:14] <gyaresu> bob2, with the mount n such.
[12:14] <bob2> pasv: pkill esd ; mplayer -ao oss foo.avi
[12:14] <feugan3333> Anybody know anything about initrd?
[12:14] <Arsenio_Lupin> Burgundavia: i've tried, but no answer
[12:14] <deFrysk> 1.0.4 i mean
[12:14] <bob2> gyaresu: no, not messy at all
[12:14] <bob2> feugan3333: best to just ask your question
[12:14] <hanasaki> backports
[12:15] <gyaresu> bob2, mapping the server to /mnt i mean
[12:15] <bob2> gyaresu: ? you're mounting a share.
[12:15] <deFrysk> hanasaki, try flashplayer-mozilla
[12:15] <Arsenio_Lupin> there is none
[12:15] <feugan3333> bob2: I did :-) I'll paste it again.
[12:15] <hanasaki> its working now
[12:15] <salapoliisi> bob2: could it be oss then?
[12:15] <hanasaki> heh,,.. unstilled and reinstaleld and it works go figure.. thanks DeFi
[12:15] <bob2> salapoliisi: could what be oss?
[12:15] <gyaresu> bob2, i just meant like /mnt/foo not just /mnt
[12:16] <bob2> gyaresu: I don't understand what you're saying, but you can mount it anywhere that you want
[12:16] <salapoliisi> bob2: there's something like that in the multimedia panel where i select if i use either alsa or esd
[12:16] <gyaresu> bob2, the n00bs will mount it straight onto /mnt (duzzenmatter)
[12:16] <hitler01> 12
[12:16] <bob2> salapoliisi: I don't know what the "multimedia panel" is
[12:17] <feugan3333> bob2: I basically uderstand why an initrd image is created, but not sure if I should create another initrd image for my newly compiled kernel or can I reuse the old image?
[12:17] <gyaresu> salapoliisi, bob2 sys >> prefs >> multimedia
[12:17] <bob2> feugan3333: if you're compiling your own kernel, you should just compile it so you don't need an initrd at all
[12:17] <bob2> feugan3333: ie compile in your ide/scsi controller driver, and your root filesystem module, instead of as mouldes
[12:17] <salapoliisi> gyaresu: yeah something like that
[12:17] <bob2> feugan3333: and, no, in general, you can't use the same initrd between different kernels
[12:17] <pasv> Where does esd start from?
[12:18] <bob2> pasv: gnome starts it
[12:18] <bob2> (ie gnome-session)
[12:18] <pasv> Hmm thanks bob2
[12:18] <pasv> Ah right.
[12:18] <pasv> Hmm I think i got rid of it ^^
[12:19] <feugan3333> bob2: Thanks, I don't thinks I have the knowledge to compiler scsi drivers into the kernel, but I'll take a look. What is the easiest option for a kernel newbie, using mkinitrd or compiling scsi drivers into the kernel?
[12:20] <bob2> feugan3333: simplest is not compiling it at all
[12:20] <bob1> bob2
[12:20] <pasv> Now I have but one more problem that I need to solve.
[12:20] <pasv> I have integrated wireless in this laptop I've recently bought and I'm wondering how I could turn it on.
[12:20] <bob2> feugan3333: why are you building a new one?  in general, if an ubuntu kernel is missing something you need, it's a bug.
[12:20] <bob2> depends entirely on the wireless chipset
[12:21] <bob1> wifi good
[12:21] <pasv> Celeron M. Um it's broad range
[12:21] <bob2> that's not useful
[12:21] <pasv> on a different system I used ipw2200
[12:21] <bob2> is it a Centrino laptop?
[12:21] <pasv> Negative
[12:21] <pasv> celeron
[12:21] <hyphenated> pasv: so on ubuntu, use ipw2200
[12:21] <feugan3333> bob2: got 2GB of ram and need to change kernel option to see this ram, It only sees 986MB
[12:21] <pasv> It's a package?
[12:21] <pasv> :|
[12:21] <bob2> feugan3333: no you don't
[12:21] <bob2> pasv: no, it's not
[12:21] <feugan3333> bob2: ???
[12:22] <bob2> pasv: if it's indeed a mini-pci ipw2200 card, the driver will have been loaded during the install
[12:22] <feugan3333> bob2: what should it do then?
[12:22] <bob2> pasv: paste the output of "lspci | grep Network" to #flood
[12:22] <bob2> feugan3333: what cpu do you have?
[12:22] <hyphenated> pasv: in a shell, type in dmesg | grep ipw
[12:22] <hyphenated> if that gives you a few lines, then it probably loaded it
[12:22] <feugan3333> bob2: amd64
[12:23] <bob2> feugan3333: er...you're running the i386 port of ubuntu on that?
[12:23] <pasv> hyphenated: No lines.
[12:24] <hilkiah> hi
[12:24] <feugan3333> bob2: yeah, having toooo many problems with amd64 version
[12:24] <pasv> bob2: I pasted the output of lspci
[12:24] <hilkiah> i'm a nw ubuntu convert (from fedora)
[12:24] <bob2> feugan3333: problems with Free software?
[12:24] <hilkiah> and have jut installed 5.04
[12:24] <bob2> feugan3333: anyway, sudo aptitude install linux-k7
[12:24] <hilkiah> but the system gets VERY slow (xorg utitlizing a high cpu %)
[12:24] <hilkiah> anyone ever experienced this????
[12:25] <bob2> pasv: is it too late/hard to exchange the laptop?
[12:25] <bob2> pasv: if so, you'll need to use ndiswrapper.
[12:25] <hilkiah> i found a temp solution (Option NoAccel yes) for my ati driver
[12:26] <pasv> I believe I'll use the ndiswrapper this laptop has worked flawlessly except for the wifi.
[12:26] <pasv> :|
[12:26] <feugan3333> bob2: thanks for your help, I gota go. I'm not sure I understand, but if your still online later I'd like to talk more about it.
[12:27] <yonil> im trying to run a game and i get this error: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0" --- ive googled and found installing 3d-graphic card driver should resolve the problem, but im on a laptop, which i guess means no 3d card.. what can i do?
[12:27] <pasv> I could always buy a pcmia card and use it for wireless right?
[12:28] <bob2> feugan3333: installing that kernel will give you highmem support, without recompiling
[12:28] <bob2> pasv: sure
[12:28] <bob2> yonil: don't assume, find out what vide ocard you have
[12:29] <pasv> Err I tried loading the ipw2200 module and insmod gave me the error Unknown symbol in module
[12:29] <pasv> :(
[12:29] <hyphenated> pasv: you should use modprobe to load modules, not insmod
[12:30] <pasv> Now how do I create a wireless device? like wlan0?
[12:30] <pasv> or should it have appeared already
[12:31] <hyphenated> pasv: if it loaded correctly, then you should be able to see it in iwconfig
[12:31] <pasv> lo eth0 and sit0 (whats that?) all give the result: no wireless extention
[12:32] <ColonelKernel> I made the ubuntu wallpaper blue so I could use a blue theme, looks so nice
[12:32] <pasv> I believe this is a rather new notebook as I cant find any documentation on it pertaining to linux.
[12:32] <pasv> Nice
[12:32] <pasv> ColonelKernel: dcc ?
[12:32] <pasv> or post?
[12:32] <pasv> :)
[12:32] <ColonelKernel> Ill post it somewhere  - where can I post it?
[12:33] <pasv> imgbucket?
[12:33] <pasv> oh
[12:33] <pasv> 4chan.org
[12:33] <pasv> underwall papers.
[12:33] <Jowi> ColonelKernel, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:33] <martigan> anyone can help me xdmcp? I got a black screen with a mouse pointer when logging in, nothing more :(
[12:33] <ColonelKernel> Jowi, no
[12:33] <yonil> bob2, its called Intel 855GM, i think it supports 3d, but i cant install the nvidia drivers or the same which usually solves that problem ... any ideas?
[12:33] <fruitybumlover> hey guys, is there anyway i can write 2 my windows partion in ubuntu???
[12:34] <ColonelKernel> hmph
[12:35] <pasv> martigan: what window manager are you trying to run?
[12:35] <fruitybumlover> forgto 2 add that its ntfs
[12:35] <martigan> pasv, gnome
[12:35] <pasv> Did is show any signs of gdm (the login manager)?
[12:35] <ColonelKernel> pasv, im not finding it on there
[12:35] <pasv> ColonelKernel: wha?
[12:36] <martigan> pasv: no just a black screen with a cursor (cross). firewall has to be proberly configured
[12:36] <ColonelKernel> wallpapers on that site
[12:36] <pasv> Press alt+ctrl+f1
[12:36] <pasv> then login as your user.
[12:36] <fruitybumlover> Any1  is there anyway i can write 2 my windows ntfs partion in ubuntu???
[12:36] <pasv> fruitybumlover: I'd like to know that as well
[12:36] <pasv> I believe there is an option in the kernel
[12:37] <pasv> BUT
[12:37] <pasv> I've heard that when you write to the ntfs it'll corrupt files
[12:37] <pasv> You can do this through samba or something I dont remember
[12:37] <pasv> <-- 4am
[12:37] <fruitybumlover> or is there a way for me 2 change the permissions??
[12:38] <Upayavira> fruitybumlover: you should have a FAT32 partition that both OSes use to share data. Treat NTFS as read only from Linux
[12:38] <pasv> ColonelKernel: Try 4chan?
[12:38] <ColonelKernel> pasv, no wallpapers section there
[12:38] <pasv> Yes there is in the first iframe click proceed
[12:38] <martigan> brb
[12:38] <pasv> then click on wall papers/general.
[12:39] <pasv> Is it really safe to resize a ntfs partition
[12:39] <ColonelKernel> you are smoking rocks
[12:39] <pasv> ??
[12:39] <pasv> 4chan.org ?
[12:39] <salapoliisi_> 4chan <3
[12:39] <ColonelKernel> http://www.4chan.org/
[12:39] <pasv> ColonelKernel: yeah
[12:39] <pasv> scroll down
[12:39] <pasv> then hit proceed
[12:40] <pasv> salapoliisi_: nekkid pics of j00r mum ftw
[12:40] <pasv> ^^;; jk
[12:40] <fruitybumlover> ok then the other alternativie is bein able 2 read linux partitions in windows, i know that Explore2fs can do that but im usin riserfs and not ext2 or 3.... So is there a way 2 change my files system 2 ext 3 without re-installin ubuntu??
[12:40] <salapoliisi_> pasv: well you have to admit that she's hot if you are wankig for her
[12:40] <pasv> lol
[12:41] <Nermal> fruitybumlover, no
[12:41] <Blaamann> How do I restart services in Ubuntu ? e.g sshd or apache2
[12:41] <Nermal>  /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[12:41] <fruitybumlover> is there another app like Explore2fs that will read riserfs in windows??
[12:41] <pasv> Blaamann: same goes with sshd
[12:41] <Nermal> fruitybumlover, google
[12:41] <salapoliisi_> Blaamann: you can also kill them and then open again
[12:41] <Jowi> Blaamann, /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[12:41] <Nermal> though that isn't nice
[12:41] <fruitybumlover> i have tried and only came up with risertools but that dowsn work 4 x64 windows:S
[12:41] <pasv> sshd*
[12:41] <pasv> :D
[12:42] <Nermal> salapoliisi_, stop with the shite advice
[12:42] <fruitybumlover> doesnt*
[12:42] <Nermal> fruitybumlover, then no ?
[12:42] <Blaamann> Thanks, I was looking for "/sbin/services".
[12:42] <pasv> oh nvm
[12:42] <salapoliisi_> Nermal: why is that shit advice?
[12:42] <pasv> lol
[12:42] <pasv> :D
[12:42] <pasv> usually sshd
[12:42] <fruitybumlover> okie dokie then.... cheers Nermal
[12:42] <Nermal> salapoliisi_, because killing services isn't as clean as using the service scripts
[12:43] <salapoliisi_> Nermal: what's the cause of that?
[12:43] <Nermal> can leave lock files open, not shut down databases cleanly etc
[12:43] <salapoliisi_> okay
[12:43] <Nermal> salapoliisi_, ok then, kill -9 a postgresql server
[12:43] <Nermal> any enjoy
[12:43] <Nermal> and*
[12:43] <salapoliisi_> it's kinda hard while im installing ubuntu right now
[12:43] <Nermal> *waves hands in rage*
[12:43] <pasv> How is it that you do net mounts?
[12:43] <Nermal> n00bs everywhere.. stuck to my shoes, in my hair, in my eyes
[12:44] <Nermal> pasv, nfs ?
[12:44] <Nermal> or smb ?
[12:44] <pasv> ah I dont want to bother with smb so nfs
[12:44] <salapoliisi_> Nermal: if you don't like them why are you helping them?
[12:44] <Nermal> pasv, then mount <ip>/<server>:/path/to/exported/mountpoint /local/mountpoint
[12:45] <Nermal> ie: mount server1:/home/foo /mnt/homefoo
[12:45] <ColonelKernel> ok I got the blue ubuntu wallpaper up
[12:45] <salapoliisi_> is it possible to make ubuntu work as a wlan server
[12:45] <Nermal> you can also add -o nolock if you don't want locking
[12:45] <pasv> ok
[12:45] <ColonelKernel> http://cgi.4chan.org/wg/imgboard.html
[12:45] <Nermal> salapoliisi_, I imagine so
[12:45] <ColonelKernel> im looking for the animated gif of that cat pouncing on the baby
[12:46] <salapoliisi_> :D
[12:46] <ColonelKernel> I want that real bad and I cant find it anywhere
[12:46] <pasv> Nermal: How do you set that up on the server side?
[12:46] <Nermal> ColonelKernel, nice
[12:46] <Nermal> pasv, install the nfs server stuff, edit /etc/exports and start the nfs server
[12:46] <ColonelKernel> I found one that they replaced the cat with patrick duffies head
[12:46] <pasv> or k
[12:46] <hilkiah> can anyone tell me how i can update my ati driver/??
[12:46] <hilkiah> pls?
[12:47] <Nermal> hilkiah, may be something in the wiki re ati drivers
[12:47] <ColonelKernel> you guys like the blue ubuntu wallpaper?
[12:47] <Nermal> !ati
[12:47] <ubotu> from memory, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:47] <qt2> er... is there a way to install alsaconf in hoary? o.O;
[12:47] <ColonelKernel> It looks good on my system with a blue theme
[12:47] <Nermal> ColonelKernel, yah :)
[12:47] <hilkiah> wil check there
[12:47] <Nermal> though I currently have a picture of saturn on my desktop
[12:47] <ColonelKernel> nice, tis good to contribute
[12:47] <qt2> i could really make use of it, because the last thing not working on the other system is the sound.
[12:47] <Nermal> http://nermal.org/gallery/albums/5/55.jpg :)
[12:48] <pasv> Nermal: isn't nfs insecure though?
[12:48] <pasv> :(
[12:48] <Nermal> pasv, erm.. depends what you mean by secure
[12:48] <pasv> I mean cant anyone on my network just mount that export?
[12:48] <Nermal> data isn't encrypted iirc
[12:48] <salapoliisi_> Nermal: what's that icon theme?
[12:48] <Nermal> you could use sftp if you want it encryped - nautilus supports browsing it
[12:48] <Nermal> salapoliisi_, erm.. just some gant icons
[12:48] <salapoliisi_> okay
[12:49] <Nermal> salapoliisi_, http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=7214
[12:49] <Nermal> ported they are called "umicons"
[12:50] <Blaamann> I would also love to get gaim 1.40  (it supports ICQ file transfers!), any Ubuntu/debian packages around ?
[12:50] <Nermal> pasv, permissions wise it's reasonable.. as long as you have root_squash enabled
[12:50] <MyComputer> Blaamann it's rather trivial to compile it yourself
[12:50] <Nermal> it's also stateless and uses udp under linux normally not tcp
[12:51] <pasv> ah
[12:51] <pasv> Because I'd like to mount it for my anime dir
[12:51] <pasv> :)
[12:51] <Blaamann> MyComputer: No tricky dependencies ?
[12:51] <pasv> think it'd be ok to just run vids off a nfs mount?
[12:52] <pasv> probably increase the -cache for mplayer or something
[12:52] <MyComputer> Blaamann Gaim is easy to compile
[12:52] <Nermal> pasv, nfs will maintain permissions via file owner UID
[12:52] <Nermal> which in turn is mapped to the username
[12:52] <Nermal> man nfs should give you some more info
[12:52] <mumbles> qt2
[12:52] <Blaamann> Ok, I will try and put a prefix so it is easy to remove.
[12:52] <pasv> Im reading that atm
[12:52] <pasv> :)
[12:53] <mumbles> i have sound problems as well
[12:53] <Nermal> Blaamann, you can uninstall with sudo make uninstall :)
[12:53] <Nermal> lemme look for ubuntu packages though
[12:53] <mumbles> but mines becouse my internal sound on my motherbord isent supported yet
[12:53] <mumbles> intel desktop D915PGN
[12:54] <ex-parrot> seeing as gnomedesktop is down, does anyone have the latest starterbar version (0.31.3 or higher) handy?
[12:55] <ex-parrot> the currently available release doesn't run due to python-xdg incompatability
[12:56] <ex-parrot> I'm talking about gdesklets here
[12:56] <Nermal> ex-parrot, tried #gdesklets on irc.gnome.org ? :)
[12:56] <ex-parrot> aha!
[12:56] <Nermal> author sits in there as well as some other people
[12:56] <ex-parrot> just for the record, everybody, Nermal is awesome.
[12:57] <Nermal> aw
[12:57] <ex-parrot> thanks :P
[12:57] <Nermal> I have my moments
[12:57] <Nermal> when I'm not spinning plates or pulling my hair out
[12:57] <tiglionabbit> hey guys...  I just found the weirdest file in my home directory.  It's bright red.  How the heck did this get here?  lrwxrwxrwx   1 nick nick       43 2005-05-31 23:49 .#crap -> nick@localhost.localdomain.10779:1117598672
[12:57] <qt2> anyone?
[12:58] <salapoliisi_> Nermal: what is that weather and cpu called in your desktop?
[12:58] <qt2> is there a way to install alsaconf in hoary?
[12:59] <tiglionabbit> qt2: I don't know
[12:59] <tiglionabbit> why not google it?
[12:59] <tiglionabbit> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/63/2005/05/3/323621
[01:00] <tiglionabbit> does that help?
[01:00] <tiglionabbit> hehe, now, any theories on how that red file got there?
[01:00] <Nermal> salapoliisi_, erm.. that's a gdesklet.. but the site is dead atm due to gnomedesktop.org exploding
[01:00] <Nermal> tiglionabbit, a red file means an invalid symlink
[01:01] <qt2> i have googled it, and nope, it doesnt help.
[01:01] <salapoliisi_> Nermal: okay, i might like to use that myself :)
[01:01] <Nermal> means it's a symlink pointing to a file that doesn't exist
[01:01] <tiglionabbit> Nermal: thanks.  I don't think I even know the command to create such a file though, so how could it have gotten there?
[01:01] <Nermal> I imagine you ran something from irc or something involving the channel #crap
[01:01] <tiglionabbit> from irc?
[01:02] <tiglionabbit> I use irssi
[01:02] <Nermal> well yeah.. using /exec
[01:02] <tiglionabbit> really
[01:02] <bRadArmPitt> I look for Nvu 1.0 for Ubuntu Hoary but cannot find, do I install "Tarball built on Linspire 5.0 (Debian k2.6.10), gcc/g++ 3.3.5" on Nvud ownloadpage?
[01:03] <tiglionabbit> I have another red file that appears to be a normal zip though
[01:03] <mirak> does anyone uses toolchain here ?
[01:04] <ColonelKernel> does anyone know where I can get a copy of that animated gif of that cat pouncing on that baby that was all ove the net a few years ago?
[01:05] <tiglionabbit> lol, ColonelKernel, that is such a linux question, I'm sure we'll know the answer to that
[01:05] <reka> ColonelKernel: it sounds rather sadistic :-/
[01:05] <salapoliisi_> sounds fishy
[01:05] <salapoliisi_> and i don't like fish
[01:06] <bRadArmPitt> I look for Nvu 1.0 for Ubuntu Hoary but cannot find, do I install "Tarball built on Linspire 5.0 (Debian k2.6.10), gcc/g++ 3.3.5" on Nvud ownloadpage?
[01:06] <Nermal> ColonelKernel, images.google.com ?
[01:06] <Nermal> !nvui
[01:06] <ubotu> No idea, Nermal
[01:06] <Nermal> !nvu
[01:06] <ubotu> hmm... nvu is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallNVUHTMLEditor/ http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.""
[01:06] <bRadArmPitt> how to install thank you i read that
[01:06] <Nermal> bRadArmPitt, see the ubuntulinux.org link
[01:07] <ColonelKernel> Nermal, thats what I thought but im having no luck
[01:07] <catfox> anyone know a command to just return the time?
[01:08] <catfox> "date" gives me date + time etc
[01:08] <Nermal> catfox, man date
[01:08] <bRadArmPitt> can that tarball work on nvu site
[01:09] <Nermal> bRadArmPitt, yeah
[01:09] <bRadArmPitt> i use that and it will work really on ubuntu linux?
[01:09] <Nermal> yes
[01:09] <martigan> bRadArmPitt,  nvu is in my synaptic
[01:09] <Nermal> !show nvu
[01:09] <ubotu> I don't know, Nermal
[01:09] <bRadArmPitt> martigan version 1.0 is in there?
[01:09] <Nermal> hmm
[01:09] <Elch|VS|Network> hi
[01:10] <Nermal> !info nvu
 Package 'nvu' does not exist.
[01:10] <Nermal> hmm :|
[01:10] <martigan> nope 0.99 sorry
[01:10] <badnews> hi there....
[01:10] <bRadArmPitt> martigan that is the problem
[01:10] <rasputnik> catfox: date takes loads of arguments, read the manpage
[01:10] <bRadArmPitt> martigan i trying the 1.0 download from nvu site because it is not on ubuntu downloads
[01:11] <badnews> have an issue with firefox plugins.... can smn help me?
[01:11] <Nermal> badnews, maybe.. or #mozilla
[01:12] <bRadArmPitt> !info nvu
[01:13] <badnews> no, its ubuntu related. what is the *recommended* way to install ff plugins? a regular user cannot install plugins at all, since he has no write permissions outside his home. sudo firefox installs the plugins for root. Of course I can do a console install of flash etc - but what is the *official* way to do it?
[01:13] <martigan> badnews, hold on i got a solution i think
[01:13] <qt2> i dont get this damn thing...
[01:14] <twilight> hello there, i'm on breezy. i've this error after a Xorg upgrade: Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exists, 0) and the same for module "mouse" and for module "keyboard". Any idea?
[01:14] <bRadArmPitt> there is an Xorg upgrade?
[01:14] <bRadArmPitt> what are the new features
[01:15] <Nermal> probably not much
[01:15] <Jowi> twilight, please see the topic
[01:15] <twilight> Jowi: ok...
[01:15] <bRadArmPitt> !info gramps
[01:15] <ubotu> gramps: (Genealogical Research and Analysis Management Program), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 1.0.8-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 6161 kB, Installed size: 14128 kB
[01:15] <martigan> badnews, type about:config in firefox url box, change the general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4 you can now install pugins and themes
[01:16] <Nermal> twilight, I'm on breezy and haven't seen that error
[01:16] <Nermal> tried running xorgconf again ?
[01:16] <martigan> firefox is 1.0.4 they just seem to forget to update that setting or something
[01:16] <twilight> yes Nermal
[01:16] <bRadArmPitt> firefox is 1.0.5
[01:16] <yonil> bob2, its called Intel 855GM, i think it supports 3d, but i cant install the nvidia drivers or the same which usually solves that problem ... any ideas?
[01:16] <badnews> about: says its 1.0.4.... trying....
[01:17] <Nermal> badnews, I can install plugins as user
[01:17] <twilight> Nermal: i've done an upgrade 1 hour ago
[01:17] <martigan> atleats my plugins work perfectly  trough this setting ;)
[01:17] <Nermal> twilight, I won't be upgrading then :)
[01:17] <twilight> Nermal: :)
[01:17] <Nermal> twilight, hmm.. maybe some paths have changed
[01:17] <Nermal> nv should be there :|
[01:18] <twilight> Nermal: he sets the pathModule to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules, i believe is ok
[01:18] <Nermal> and are the modules in there ?
[01:19] <hussam> anybody here's tried xfce 4.2.2?
[01:19] <mumbles> right brake from tideyin gup room
[01:19] <mumbles> any ideas on how to get my sound working ?
[01:19] <twilight> Nermal: one second, i prepare a page and put in that some info
[01:19] <mumbles> intel desktop D915PGN
[01:19] <mumbles> apparetnley some people have managed to get it working
[01:21] <twilight> Nermal: first, my Xorg.0.log: slorenzo.ath.cx/Xorg.0.log
[01:22] <badnews> ff plugins: changed subVendor to 1.0.4. install fails with "completing plugin finder service - java runtime environment - not available" so I have to do a manual install...
[01:22] <mirak> nobody uses toolchain ?
[01:23] <Shorty`> where does one get fspot from?
[01:23] <Nermal> erm..
[01:23] <Nermal> !info f-spot
[01:23] <ubotu> f-spot: (personal photo management application), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.0.12-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 519 kB, Installed size: 1940 kB
[01:23] <Nermal> sudo apt-get install f-spot :)
[01:24] <Shorty`> E: Couldn't find package f-spot
[01:24] <Shorty`> weird
[01:24] <Shorty`> *checks repositories*
[01:24] <bRadArmPitt> !info xmame
[01:24] <Nermal> it's in universe apparently
[01:24] <Shorty`> could be a 64bit thing?
[01:24] <twilight> Nermal: ls /usr/X11R6/lib/modules : slorenzo.ath.cx/ls_modules
[01:24] <Nermal> erm.. might might be
[01:24] <Nermal> depends if mono is available for 64 bit I guess
[01:24] <Shorty`> I'm thinking so
[01:24] <bRadArmPitt> !info squid
[01:24] <ubotu> squid: (Internet Object Cache (WWW proxy cache)), section web, is optional. Version: 2.5.8-3ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 722 kB, Installed size: 2072 kB
[01:25] <hussam> I have a question. I compiled/installed xfce 4.2.2 using gui installer. I enabled composite. but I got no shadows. I know xorg.conf is configured correctly because I get shadows in kde 3.4.1. any ideas?
[01:25] <Shorty`> seems to be.. weird
[01:25] <Nermal> twilight, hmmm.. is nv in any of the subdirs ?
[01:25] <twilight> Nermal: you can tell me in exact name?
[01:26] <Shorty`> does ubuntu have a beast similar to packages.debian.org ?
[01:26] <twilight> Nermal: so i'll looking for it in the system
[01:26] <Nermal> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nv_drv.o
[01:26] <bRadArmPitt> packages.ubuntu.com
[01:26] <Shorty`> ahah
[01:26] <Nermal> is where it is on my hoary box
[01:26] <Shorty`> I was about to try that
[01:26] <Shorty`> ahaha
[01:26] <twilight> Nermal: thanks
[01:26] <Nermal> thats the "nv" bit :)
[01:27] <Shorty`> gah
[01:27] <Shorty`> nothing for 64bit
[01:27] <twilight> i haven't the directory "drivers" o_O
[01:27] <reka> mumbles: i suggest you ask crimsun when he's active.  he's the resident sound guru
[01:27] <bRadArmPitt> why do you say nothing for 64 bit why do people say that cannot you run the 32 bit version?
[01:27] <mumbles> ok will do
[01:27] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know what wireless belkin cards work?
[01:28] <mumbles> my processer is a 64bit one
[01:28] <twilight> i've found many packages of driver for Xorg, i'm going to install it
[01:28] <bRadArmPitt> your 64 bit cpu can run 32 bit programs though correct?
[01:29] <dylan_> yes it can 64bit is backwards compat.
[01:29] <Shorty`> bRadArmPitt, my point is that was the reason I couldn't download it
[01:30] <bRadArmPitt> so by saying there is nothing for 64 bit, when there is 32 bit, is that not incorrect?
[01:30] <dylan_> does anybody know if Breezy is any good?
[01:30] <pluffsy> do you have any guesses on when  the next stable ubuntu will be released?
[01:30] <bRadArmPitt> dylan_ says it is backwards compat
[01:31] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know what wireless belkin cards work?
[01:31] <Dorward> pluffsy: From the very first page of the Wiki: #
[01:31] <Dorward> BreezyBadger - Version 5.10. Next release, scheduled for October 2005.
[01:33] <bRadArmPitt> why is badger breezy?
[01:33] <qt2> wtf...
[01:34] <pluffsy> ah thanks
[01:35] <yonil> im trying to compile a driver and it says im missing the kernel modules.. what should i do ?
[01:35] <qt2> bRadArmPitt, because it was jealous that he hedgehox was hoary?
[01:36] <gustavo> hey, i just installed ubuntu
[01:36] <gustavo> what should i do now?
[01:36] <gustavo> coz nothing is working
[01:37] <reka> gustavo: such as?
[01:37] <gustavo> music player for example
[01:37] <gustavo> and, whats my root password?
[01:37] <reka> !tell gustavo about restricted
[01:37] <reka> !tell gustavo about rootsudo
[01:38] <ThE_CeltiC> !tell ThE_CeltiC about rootsudo
[01:39] <ThE_CeltiC> i have the same problem :)
[01:39] <reka> ThE_CeltiC: you can /msg ubotu <term> if you want to try other ones out :)
[01:39] <gustavo> and what about the repositories?
[01:40] <ThE_CeltiC> reka: tks ;)
[01:40] <reka> !tell gustavo about repositories
[01:40] <Garrison> Anyone know how to solve this: WARNING!!! The mixer channels for the ALSA driver are muted by default!!! (when make-installing alsa)
[01:40] <reka> :)
[01:40] <emanuelez> rubyonrails
[01:40] <bigfoot1> Hello everyone. Today, I was so happy to discover the program that will allow us to make free PC to phone calls. Voipbuster.com has it. But it only has a windows version. IS there  an equivalent program for ubuntu? Thanks so much! I'm so excited if this is possible for us at Ubuntu!
[01:40] <Dorward> Garrison: Run a mixer and unmute them.
[01:40] <ficoc> does anyone use "X-Lite" ? i have a problem with the audio wizard
[01:41] <bRadArmPitt> I like ubuntuguide
[01:41] <Garrison> I ran 'nvmixer' and unmuted everything, but its not working..
[01:41] <gustavo> when i do the sudo apt-setup it crashes
[01:42] <gustavo> y?
[01:42] <yonil> im trying to install a driver, and it cant seem to find my kernel source ... although i have linux-source installed ... any ideas?
[01:42] <reka> Garrison: alsamixer
[01:42] <Garrison> kernel-headers?
[01:42] <reka> gustavo: apt-setup?
[01:42] <ColonelKernel> yonil, install kernel-headers
[01:43] <Garrison> reka: doesn't run
[01:43] <bigfoot1> how do we do a terminal search for stuff in the repo's?
[01:43] <Garrison> reka: no such device
[01:43] <chase> does anyone know where i can get a copy of genmenu? its not in the apt repositorys and i cant connect to gtk.no to download it?
[01:43] <yonil> ColonelKernel, i'll try
[01:43] <Jowi> I'm getting: collect2: ld returned 1 exit status. Anyone knows why that would happen? (gcc 3.3)
[01:44] <gustavo> reka, apt-setup, coz my apt has ubuntu cd as repositories source
[01:44] <gustavo> reka, i wanna change to ftp
[01:44] <Garrison> how would i remove a module from loading at boot time? (ie. dont load the nvaudio stuff when booting)
[01:44] <monteiro> Garrison : chmod -x /etc/init.d/module_you_don't_want
[01:44] <reka> gustavo: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:45] <yonil> ColonelKernel, as i thought, i already have them ... and linux-image, and everything ..
[01:45] <ColonelKernel> yonil, thats very odd
[01:46] <yonil> ColonelKernel, i know, this is what it says: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/build:  No such file or directory
[01:46] <yonil> i have that folder, but not the build folder in it ..
[01:46] <tuxme> tell me how to make my ubuntu boot up have a graphic but not text like it does now
[01:46] <reka> gustavo: then you can either comment out the CD source by inserting a # character at the start of it's line, or change the whole file to the sample one found here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[01:46] <bigfoot1> Does anybody have "kiax" installed? I downloaded Kiax.deb from http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=131960. How do i install it?
[01:46] <martigan> anyone know how to get Mercury to work in hoary?
[01:46] <ColonelKernel> what happens if you just make one
[01:46] <gustavo> reka, i must find brazilian repositories for ubuntu T_T
[01:46] <yonil> ColonelKernel, i'll try ..
[01:46] <reka> gustavo: after you've saved the edited file, close it and run sudo apt-get update
[01:47] <reka> gustavo: what's the brazilian domain name? e.g. australian one is au
[01:47] <gustavo> reka, br i gues
[01:47] <bigfoot1> anybody here heard of the program called voipbuster (voipbuster.com)? it allows windows users to make free pc to phone calls
[01:47] <yonil> ColonelKernel, nope, its looking for files over there ..
[01:47] <reka> then change the lines inserting br at the start
[01:48] <gustavo> reka, btw, my fstab doesnt display my windows partition
[01:48] <reka> gustavo: example: change "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse" to "deb http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse"
[01:49] <gustavo> hmmm thx a lot
[01:49] <reka> gustavo: to auto-mount your windows partition: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[01:49] <gustavo> reka, and what about the fstab, do u have a sample line of how to recognize windows partition?
[01:49] <gustavo> thank u^^
[01:50] <gustavo> reka, whats this gst-register thing?
[01:50] <tuxme> gustavo gstreamer?
[01:51] <gustavo> well my audio programs arent working
[01:51] <gustavo> it tells me to use gst-register
[01:51] <reka> gustavo: what program?
[01:51] <Jowi> gustavo, gst-register tells gstreamer what decoders are available
[01:51] <ThE_CeltiC> how can i configure a usb mouse?
[01:52] <ateves> is there a way to increase the width of the gnome panel icons? so that i could use icons that are twice as wide as high
[01:52] <Jowi> gustavo, totem and rhythmbox use gstreamer
[01:52] <gustavo> those two programs arent working
[01:52] <Jowi> gustavo, so you are missing codecs probably. what media files are you trying to play?
[01:53] <gustavo> none, i just tried to open the program
[01:53] <khurtiz2> is there a faq somewhere for installing apache/php/mysql under ubuntu? i'm guessing they're already installed, just haven't figured out where yet ...
[01:53] <Jowi> gustavo, and what exact error do you get?
[01:54] <ThE_CeltiC> how can i configure a usb mouse?
[01:54] <gustavo> "did u ran gst-register?"
[01:54] <gustavo> that error
[01:55] <Jowi> gustavo, so open a terminal and type: gst-register-0.8
[01:55] <Garrison> how can i forcefully unmute anything alsa?
[01:55] <reka> khurtiz2: ubotu comes up with this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PHPDevelopmentHowTo/
[01:55] <bigfoot1> anyone: can you tell me how to install a .deb file?
[01:56] <Dorward> bigfoot1:man dpkg
[01:56] <gustavo> Jowi,  still get the error
[01:56] <reka> Garrison: try: apps > sound/video > vol control
[01:56] <Garrison> alien -d whatever_.deb
[01:56] <bigfoot1> Garrison, you talking to me?
[01:56] <adwait> hello ppl
[01:56] <reka> Garrison: then file > change device , then select the alsa one and check if the levels are muted for it
[01:56] <Jowi> gustavo, are you trying to play mp3 or ogg or what?
[01:57] <Garrison> bigfoot1, yes, sorry, i messed it up, it's actually dpkg -i package_name.deb
[01:57] <khurtiz2> thanks reka
[01:57] <gustavo> im just trying to open the program T_T
[01:57] <bigfoot1> Garrison, thanks!
[01:57] <gustavo> i better download xmms
[01:57] <reka> gustavo: you didn't read the restricted formats page did you?
[01:57] <Garrison> reka: there's only one device, and it's my nVidia OSS Mixer
[01:58] <Garrison> I installed that damned nvidia unified driver cr*p, and I want to get it off my system.
[01:58] <reka> gustavo: you need to install seperate codecs if you want to use totem or rythmbox.  xmms or bmp come with their own.  just make sure to change the ouput plugn to esound in preferences
[01:58] <Garrison> I'm trying to install alsa, and get it working.
[01:58] <gustavo> reka, ok, doing that now
[01:58] <ThE_CeltiC> how can i configure a usb mouse? anyone!??
[01:58] <bigfoot1> does anybody here use dselect to install .debs?
[01:59] <reka> Garrison: : this works for me: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[01:59] <Garrison> bigfoot1, why? whats the problem with dpkg?
[01:59] <reka> Garrison: but use at your own risk i guess
[02:00] <bigfoot1> Garrison, i just went to [man dpkg]  and it mentioned that dselect is a frontend for dpkg. And I just prefer front end stuff. That's all. I'm a newbie so i have no idea what this is all about, and i prefer gui over terminal. But to answer your question, there's no problem with dpkg.
[02:01] <tuxme> !info splashy
[02:02] <tuxme> what is splashy
[02:02] <tuxme> they say in kubuntu channel to use splashy for graphical boot but what is it
[02:02] <virgule> tuxme: google know it all ;)
[02:03] <bigfoot1> garrison, Dorward: i ran the the dpkg command. I got this error: dpkg: error processing jeff/kiax.deb (--install):
[02:03] <bigfoot1>  cannot access archive: Not a directory
[02:03] <bigfoot1> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:03] <bigfoot1> oh never mind.
[02:03] <bigfoot1> i fixed it.
[02:04] <bigfoot1> I got this "dependency error". What must i do: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kiax:
[02:04] <bigfoot1>  kiax depends on libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4); however:
[02:04] <bigfoot1>   Version of libqt3c102-mt on system is 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3.
[02:04] <LinuxNewbie> hello there
[02:04] <LinuxNewbie>  i just need some information about network
[02:04] <ColonelKernel> looks like part of freenode ust went down
[02:04] <adwait> LinuxNewbie: like...........?
[02:05] <LinuxNewbie> ok here it is
[02:05] <ThE_CeltiC> my usb mouse don`t work! what can i do ?
[02:05] <bigfoot1> how can i get a newer version of n libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4)? I need it for kiax.
[02:05] <adwait> bigfoot1: u can apt-get it....
[02:05] <bigfoot1> correction: how can i get a newer version of  libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4)? I need it for kiax.
[02:05] <bigfoot1> adwait, how?
[02:05] <Garrison> sudo apt-get install libqt[TAB, and choose one] 
[02:05] <martigan> anyone know how to get Mercury to work in hoary?
[02:05] <adwait> sudo apt-get install <whatever>
[02:06] <LinuxNewbie> the thing is i got this on my mind, is it possible for a person to stay on a network eventhough he is far awy, like 50 miles
[02:06] <feugan3333> lol
[02:06] <bigfoot1> Garrison, adwait, will apt-get have this version? I thought ubuntu automatically updates our systems. Please clarify.
[02:06] <adwait> LinuxNewbie: tht really depends on wht ur using to logon to the network.......u can be on the network from another planet provided u have the right methods/means
[02:06] <LinuxNewbie> like you have a pc, and you can connect to another PC
[02:07] <Garrison> bigfoot1, it might, or rather, I'd think it would.  have to apt-get upgrade'd yet?
[02:07] <adwait> bigfoot1: it updates ur system if u run sudo apt-get upgrade.......otherwise it doesnt
[02:07] <LinuxNewbie> ah?
[02:07] <Garrison> bigfoot1; have you**
[02:07] <LinuxNewbie> is that like intranet
[02:07] <adwait> bigfoot1: try running the command.......if apt-get doesnt hv a new version, it will tell u so
[02:07] <bigfoot1> so i should run sudo apt-get upgrade regularly to make sure all my files are current?
[02:07] <feugan3333> LinuxNewbie: you mean use the remote pc as if it was in front of you?
[02:07] <Garrison> bigfoot1; bingo
[02:07] <LinuxNewbie> nope
[02:08] <bigfoot1> Garrison, why doesn't ubuntu do it automatically?
[02:08] <LinuxNewbie> like they are in the same netowrk by very far away
[02:08] <LinuxNewbie> like in a lan
[02:08] <LinuxNewbie> but very far
[02:08] <LinuxNewbie> is that possible?
[02:08] <Garrison> bigfoot1; Too much like windoze I guess.
[02:08] <adwait> LinuxNewbie: wht do u think the internet is?
[02:08] <bigfoot1> Garrison, i ran sudo apt-get upgrade, but kiax still has that same unmet dependency.
[02:08] <gustavo> xmms working ! ^
[02:09] <Garrison> bigfoot1; what is kiax?
[02:09] <feugan3333> LinuxNewbie: there are problems with security, that why VPN's were invented. And yes it's possible
[02:09] <Whistler> gustavo congrats
[02:09] <LinuxNewbie> but you have to have a ISP for the internet to join the network
[02:09] <adwait> bigfoot1: tht means a newer version not available with apt-get...i can install from deb, if u can find it
[02:09] <Jowi> LinuxNewbie, I think you are looking for a VPN solution
[02:09] <LinuxNewbie> can they stay connected without the use of internet
[02:10] <LinuxNewbie> VPN can do that?
[02:10] <Jowi> LinuxNewbie, the internet is of course needed
[02:10] <bigfoot1> Garrison, kiax is a  voip program that, connected to the voipbuster.com network, will allow us linux users to make free PC to phone calls!
[02:10] <adwait> LinuxNewbie: right.....well for tht long a distance, u could either connect the two comps over the internet.......or, u could install a dial in server on one pc, and then dial in from the other pc
[02:10] <reka> gustavo: fyi, the beep-media-player interface is prettier... if that matters to you.
[02:10] <feugan3333> LinuxNewbie: your not making any sense
[02:10] <bigfoot1> adwait, thanks. but what do you mean yuo can install from deb, if i can find it? What is "it"? kiax.deb?
[02:10] <feugan3333> LinuxNewbie: you said you wanted to use the internet
[02:11] <ex-parrot> it would seem that installing compositing and xcompmgr has actually _improved_ window rendering on my system
[02:11] <LinuxNewbie> nope i dont want to use the internet
[02:11] <LinuxNewbie> just stay connected without the use of internet
[02:11] <adwait> bigfoot1: umm...google it, u might find the deb file for it..
[02:11] <gustavo> reka, thank u, i will take a look
[02:11] <feugan3333> LinuxNewbie: If you don't want to use the internet, you connect the computers with a private network
[02:11] <adwait> bigfoot1: google the name of the dependencies.....chances are u can find the dependencie frm the same place u downloaded the app
[02:11] <LinuxNewbie> yes kinda like that
[02:12] <gustavo> reka, prettieness is fundamental :P
[02:12] <Jowi> LinuxNewbie, if you do not want to use internet you will have to make your own network for example with 2 dial-up modems. but that is a use of good money for a crap service
[02:12] <LinuxNewbie> so VPN is the next best thing?
[02:12] <adwait> LinuxNewbie: like i said, run a dial in server on one machine.......and then dial in to tht machine frm the othr.......tht could work out to be expensive though
[02:12] <Jowi> LinuxNewbie, yes. VPN is what you want.
[02:12] <bigfoot1> adwait, i have already found this deb file (http://kiax.sourceforge.net/), but this kiax program needs the  libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4).
[02:13] <LinuxNewbie> is VPN very secured?
[02:13] <Jowi> LinuxNewbie, VPN connects two local networks to eachother as if they were in the same network. VPN is very secure.
[02:13] <feugan3333> LinuxNewbie: Yes very secure
[02:13] <LinuxNewbie> even though they are very far away from each other?
[02:13] <adwait> bigfoot1: http://packages.debian.org/stable/libs/libqt3c102-mt
[02:13] <feugan3333> LinuxNewbie: err, if setup correctly
[02:13] <Jowi> LinuxNewbie, have a look at cisco's homepage for more info or wikipedia
[02:14] <bigfoot1> adwait, thanks, but what do i do with that url?
[02:14] <Jowi> LinuxNewbie, VPN acts like if your computer in the USA was beside the computer in Europe
[02:14] <adwait> go there......select ur architecture, download the *.deb file
[02:14] <LinuxNewbie> thnx alot men
[02:14] <Jowi> Check wikipedia or cisco's homepage
[02:14] <LinuxNewbie> atleast i have some idea
[02:14] <adwait> bigfoot1: thn install the deb file, and then try installing the app tht u were originally trying to install
[02:15] <LinuxNewbie> ill try to research on VPN on google
[02:15] <LinuxNewbie> thnx alot guys
[02:15] <bigfoot1> adwait, if i understand correctly, the app IS the deb file.
[02:16] <salapoliisi_> can i change my 386 kernel to 686 with just apt-get?
[02:16] <adwait> bigfoot1: uuh no u dont understand...........whn it says it needs something (the dependencie), that means it needs a library, or another application installed........so u download tht other application or library (which again is a deb file) and then u install tht app u were installing.........got it?
[02:17] <bigfoot1> adwait, i understand.
[02:17] <adwait> :)
[02:17] <martigan> salapoliisi_, yes
[02:17] <gustavo> so far i like ubuntu.... but eaht a weird name.....
[02:17] <adwait> gustavo: ubuntu = humanity in some african language
[02:18] <adwait> !ubuntu
[02:18] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntu is an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'.
[02:18] <bigfoot1> adwait, just wondering why doesn't ubuntu repo have the latest version of libqt3c102-mt ?
[02:18] <gustavo> yeah
[02:18] <gustavo> but still thats weird
[02:18] <yonil> how can i quit X ?
[02:18] <adwait> bigfoot1: umm...no idea.......maybe u should run sudo apt-get update, tht downloads the fresh list of available apps on apt-get
[02:18] <martigan> salapoliisi_, afte rthe install of 686 you can select in from grub, boot it and remove 386 with apt-get remove
[02:18] <ThE_CeltiC>  /dev/mouse No such file?  wtf !!??
[02:19] <bigfoot1> adwait, i don't know my computer's "architecture". my pc is a normal one.
[02:19] <ex-parrot> gustavo, how is it weirder than gentoo or yopper ?
[02:19] <adwait> yonil: sudo init 1 ........or press ctrl+shift+F1
[02:19] <cavediver> Hi. I have no luck finding a quicktime plugin for Firefox? Is there one availible ?
[02:19] <adwait> bigfoot1: i386
[02:19] <twilight> Nermal: all is changed. Now there are packages as xserver-xorg-driver and xserver-xorg-input, and you must choose the right packages..cool :)
[02:19] <reka> gustavo: this your 1st linux distro?
[02:19] <bigfoot1> adwait, thanks.
[02:19] <twilight> Nermal: but i've problems again..... ;|
[02:19] <adwait> bigfoot1: : np :)
[02:19] <gustavo> reka, i used knoppix before
[02:20] <gustavo> reka, acctually kurumim, a brazilian knoppix
[02:20] <gustavo> reka, but i had problems with japanese environment there
[02:20] <reka> cavediver: mozilla-mplayer
[02:20] <cyphase> hey everyone
[02:21] <reka> gustavo: you needed a jap environ?
[02:21] <ColonelKernel> Jewish AMerican Princess?
[02:21] <gustavo> reka, yeah.... right now im trying to figure out which input method use on ubuntu
[02:22] <cavediver> reka: which repos do I need to add for that ?
[02:22] <adwait> cavediver: u can download from plugin.mozilla.org
[02:22] <reka> !info mozilla-mplayer
[02:22] <ubotu> mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and OpenOffice.org), section multiverse/misc, is optional. Version: 2.70-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 300 kB
[02:22] <adwait> uh addins.mozilla.org
[02:22] <bigfoot1> adwait, i tried installing this lib...deb file, I got this error: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libqt3c102-mt:
[02:22] <bigfoot1>  libqt3c102-mt depends on libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0); however:
[02:22] <bigfoot1>   Version of libfontconfig1 on system is 2.2.3-4ubuntu7.
[02:22] <reka> cavediver: multiverse.  alternatively, use adwait's suggestion
[02:23] <cavediver> adwait: it's not availible it sais
[02:23] <adwait> bigfoot1: uuuuh........
[02:23] <bigfoot1> adwait, i guess this means i must get libfontconfig1, right?
[02:23] <adwait> bigfoot1: if it syas tht it needs, download it......
[02:24] <cavediver> adwait: https://pfs.mozilla.org/plugins/    quicktima , not avail.
[02:24] <Garrison> I installed nforce audio drivers from nvidia.com, they worked, then broke, now i'm trying to revert back to original drivers, but I can't get my system to see any soundcards. If it does, it's just the OSS device that the nvidia installer .. installed.
[02:24] <bigfoot1> adwait, gotcha. but i wonder if there's an easier way. Something like the smart Synaptic...
[02:24] <adwait> cavediver: no quicktime............mediaconnector
[02:24] <Garrison> **nothing works as far as sound anyway.
[02:24] <adwait> bigfoot1: apt-get is the smart way........but it seems the version u want isnt available
[02:25] <bigfoot1> adwait, so we must do it "manually".
[02:25] <adwait> bigfoot1: right....
[02:25] <adwait> bigfoot1: makes u realise the value of apt-get ;)
[02:25] <bigfoot1> adwait, now i see! 8-)
[02:25] <tuxme> which is more better aptitude or synaptic?
[02:26] <cavediver> adwait: hmm ok
[02:26] <ed1t> synaptic
[02:26] <adwait> tuxme: dunno abt better........but synaptic is more integrated with ubuntu
[02:26] <ed1t> they both same...ones a console bases and ones GUI
[02:26] <Nermal> twilight, ?
[02:26] <cavediver> adwait: mediaconnector, cant find that
[02:26] <reka> tuxme: imho, there is no "better". use whatever you find is best
[02:26] <Garrison> anyone know how to fix my audio problem, because i'm feeling like I might be forced to reinstall
[02:27] <salapoliisi_> is there any good reason why to upgrade kernel 386 to 686, will my computer actually get faster or something like that?
[02:27] <Nermal> Garrison, uninstall the nvidia stuff ?
[02:27] <reka> Garrison: before you do, i'd ask crimsun when he's active.  he's the resident sound guru.
[02:27] <gustavo> whats the command line for the file manager on ubuntu?
[02:27] <adwait> cavediver: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=446
[02:27] <reka> gustavo: nautilus
[02:27] <adwait> cavediver: sorry i messed up the name :)
[02:27] <Nermal> salapoliisi_, if you have more than 896 mb of ram to get support for memory over that
[02:27] <cavediver> adwait: thanks
[02:27] <Nermal> salapoliisi_, may be a little quicker as well
[02:27] <adwait> cavediver: np
[02:27] <Garrison> reka; when does he come on?
[02:28] <Nermal> he's on now
[02:28] <Garrison> Nermal; yes, remove anything even half-related to nvidia-audio from my system (short of pulling the chip off the mobo)
[02:28] <Nermal> n00bs.. everywhere
[02:28] <gustavo> how do i see how much space left i have on my ubuntu partition?
[02:28] <adwait> :D
[02:28] <Nermal> sticking to my shoes again
[02:28] <Toba> how well will ubuntu handle it if I plug in my fat16 128 MB flashdrive?
[02:28] <Toba> will it be able to read my files?
[02:28] <Nermal> gustavo, df -h
[02:28] <gustavo> i promisse tomorrow i will not ask about those things XD
[02:28] <Nermal> Toba, sure
[02:28] <adwait> lol
[02:28] <Nermal> just plug it in
[02:28] <adwait> gustavo: try df
[02:28] <martigan> Nermal, you know how to enable ndiswrapper under 686 by a change? thats stops me from using that kernel :(
[02:29] <cavediver> adwait: what, it can't be installed ! I have 1.0.4 and it sais I need to have 1.0 -> 1.0+
[02:29] <cavediver> Weird
[02:29] <gustavo> thanks
[02:29] <Nermal> martigan, erm.,. ndiswrapper working fine for me under a 686 kernel
[02:29] <reka> Garrison: looks like he's working
[02:29] <adwait> cavediver: thts odd.....it installed fine on my end......wht error does it give?
[02:29] <martigan> i have to recompile it somehow, 386 version doesnt work here
[02:30] <Nermal> martigan, what's wrong with apt-get install linux-image-686 ndiswrapper ?
[02:30] <jouka> hey all
[02:30] <Garrison> reka, any idea how to simply 'revert' ?
[02:30] <jouka> can someone help me to install ident?
[02:30] <cavediver> adwait: could not be installed because it's not compatible with this version of firefox, will only work with 1.0 > 1.0+
[02:30] <adwait> cavediver: 1.0.4 = 1.0+
[02:31] <Nermal> cavediver, installed through apt ?
[02:31] <cavediver> yes that's what i find weird :=9
[02:31] <reka> Garrison: not really, i'm afraid.  did you try the HOWTO i linked to?
[02:31] <cavediver> Nermal: no through the xpi
[02:31] <adwait> Nermal: no he is doing it thru addons.mozilla.org
[02:31] <Nermal> cavediver, I mean firefox
[02:31] <martigan> nermal hmm cant find that package does it say, wat source is it coming from then :S ?
[02:31] <CarinArr> i'm using kdevelop3 for my development stuff.. which seems to work okay, just i would like to customise the fonts and stuff.. do i need to install kubuntu to do with in ubuntu or what do i need to do?
[02:31] <Garrison> reka; did everything it said, word for word, and the volume control still lists the OSS device that the nforce drivers created
[02:31] <Nermal> !info ndiswrapper
[02:32] <Nermal> !info linux-image-686
[02:32] <ubotu> linux-image-686: (Linux kernel image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.10-7 (hoary), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[02:32] <Nermal> hmm
[02:32] <Nermal> where is ndiswrapper ?
[02:32] <reka> Garrison: again, if you're patient enough, i'd wait for crimsun to drop in
[02:32] <bimberi> jouka: there's a package called "ident2"
[02:32] <Nermal> !info ndiswrapper-utils
[02:32] <ubotu> ndiswrapper-utils: (Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.12+1.0rc2-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 108 kB
[02:32] <Nermal> :D
[02:32] <ColonelKernel> oidentd
[02:32] <reka> Garrison: i can't really help any further.  sorry
[02:32] <Nermal> martigan, ^^
[02:33] <Garrison> reka; the lack of my mp3s is driving me to tears.
[02:33] <martigan> hmm
[02:33] <Nermal> martigan, sudo apt-get install linux-image-686 ndiswrapper-utils
[02:33] <feugan3333> Anyone had some experience with custimizing their kernel and using initrd. I can't find any good documentation on initrd.
[02:33] <Nermal> should sort you out
[02:33] <reka> Garrison: i can imagine.
[02:33] <jouka> thanks
[02:33] <Nermal> just get rid of the old version of ndiswrapper first if you have one installed
[02:33] <reka> Garrison: maybe search the wiki for some sound topics
[02:33] <cavediver> adwait: now it works
[02:33] <Nermal> feugan3333, man initrd ?
[02:33] <bimberi> jouka: in fact, a search in synaptic finds a number of different ident daemons
[02:33] <martigan> Nermal, i am going to give it a shot bbl
[02:34] <Garrison> reka: i will, any idea when he becomes active? (home from work)
[02:34] <jouka> bimberi, what to choose then?
[02:34] <Ninwa> Does anybody know if the gnome "trashcan" is a directory I can access without using the interface?
[02:34] <bimberi> jouka: sorry - i can't help there
[02:34] <Nermal> Ninwa, ~/.Trash
[02:34] <feugan3333> Nermal: yes i've seen that, but what do they expect as version. I specify the path to my kernel image but that does not work.
[02:34] <Ninwa> Nermal, Ah hah, Thank you.
[02:35] <jouka> ok, thanks
[02:35] <bigfoot1> adwait, got 2 lib...debs and the kiax deb installed.
[02:35] <bimberi> jouka: yw :)
[02:35] <bigfoot1> adwait, but now i get this error when i run kiax:Error message:cannot initialize iaxclient! Exitting application. Possible reason: Device initialization failed.
[02:35] <ed1t> is there any player like itunes for like ubuntu, have like organized music library and stuff
[02:36] <Nermal> ed1t, rhythmbox
[02:36] <Nermal> or muine
[02:36] <reka> Garrison: hard for me to say..i'm in aus so i can't really match up the times i log on.
[02:36] <reka> with his
[02:36] <ed1t> thx Nakkel
[02:36] <ed1t> err
[02:36] <ed1t> Nermal
[02:36] <Nermal> :)
[02:36] <feugan3333> Nermal: sorry I'm taking about mkinitrd , which is what I need to use. Right?
[02:36] <Nermal> yeah
[02:37] <Garrison> reka: k, thanks
[02:37] <ed1t> Nermal is it under ubuntu repositories?
[02:37] <Nermal> feugan3333, version is kernel version surely
[02:37] <Nermal> ed1t, yah
[02:37] <Nermal> !info rhythmbox
[02:37] <ed1t> k
[02:37] <ubotu> rhythmbox: (music player and organizer for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.8.8-7ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 1517 kB, Installed size: 4268 kB
[02:37] <ed1t> hmmm
[02:37] <Nermal> !info muine
[02:37] <ubotu> muine: (Simple playlist based music player), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.8.2-5ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 246 kB, Installed size: 1228 kB
[02:37] <Nermal> rhythmbox might be better for you
[02:38] <Nermal> should be installed by default I thought
[02:38] <ed1t> Nermal do i need any kind of codec/packages or anything to play mp3?
[02:38] <bimberi> ed1t: RhythmBox usually installed by default - Applications -> Sound & Video -> Music Player
[02:38] <Nermal> you might need to install libmad to get mp3 support
[02:38] <bigfoot1> adwait, i figured it out. I need to install this iaxclient too.
[02:38] <ed1t> hmm
[02:38] <ed1t> brb switching to ubuntu
[02:38] <Nermal> ed1t, one sec
[02:38] <acid2> lol
[02:39] <Nermal> nm.. I'm charging him by the minute
[02:39] <reka> Nermal, ed1t: gstreamer0.8-mad iirc
[02:39] <bimberi> lol
[02:39] <Nermal> reka, aye
[02:39] <Nermal> reka, waiting for him to return
[02:39] <bimberi> reka: yes - that's the one
[02:39] <Nermal> or gstreamer0.8-all
[02:39] <CzarAlex> I have ubuntu installed on a 4 gig hd (set as master on IDE 1) I have a 15 gig hd formatted with NTFS with some old windows files (set as slave on IDE 1) How do I encorporate that HD in to my file system?
[02:40] <kennef> (while you wait for him to return ;) )
[02:40] <Nermal> CzarAlex, mkfs.reiserfs /dev/hdb1 ?
[02:40] <Nermal> to format it
[02:40] <Nermal> or mkfs.ext3
[02:40] <Nermal> etc
[02:40] <Nermal> then mount it
[02:40] <Nermal> and plonk it in your /etc/fstab
[02:40] <bigfoot1> i went to http://iaxclient.sourceforge.net/, but i don't know how to get the iaxclient file(s). Can anyone help?
[02:41] <CzarAlex> Nermal, lemme check that out. Those commands are all new to me.
[02:41] <Nermal> bigfoot1, http://sourceforge.net/projects/iaxclient/
[02:41] <Nermal> bigfoot1, oops.. no files :|
[02:41] <Nermal> cvs ?
[02:42] <bigfoot1> Nermal, no files. what can we do?
[02:42] <Nermal> bigfoot1, check it out from cvs I guess
[02:42] <bigfoot1> what does that mean?
[02:42] <martigan> Nermal, your the man. uname -r -> 2.6.10-5-686 nad wireless is still working :D thanks
[02:42] <Nermal> well.. get the files from the cvs server
[02:42] <martigan> and
[02:42] <Nermal> martigan, :D
[02:42] <ed1t> it says i need a plugin
[02:43] <martigan> ;)
[02:43] <Nermal> ed1t, install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:43] <Nermal> for mp3s
[02:43] <Nermal> or gstreamer0.8-all for all of the plugins
[02:43] <CzarAlex> Nermal, how do i know if i should use mkfs.reiserfs or mkfs.ext3?
[02:44] <Nermal> or mkfs.xfs :)
[02:44] <Nermal> or ext2
[02:44] <Nermal> ahem
[02:44] <Nermal> umm.. depends on what filesystem you want :)
[02:44] <CzarAlex> the same as the other drive is fine with me.
[02:44] <Nermal> reiserfs is good for lots of smallish files and is generally quicker than ext3.. ext3 tends to be a tad more stable
[02:44] <Nermal> CzarAlex, do df -T
[02:45] <bigfoot1> nermai, i'm on the CVS page of the iaxclient website. but the programming lingo is beyond me. Could you help?
[02:45] <Nermal> to see what formats your other partitions are
[02:45] <Nermal> bigfoot1, install cvs first
[02:45] <Nermal> then do
[02:45] <CzarAlex> ext3
[02:45] <bigfoot1> how do i install cvs?
[02:45] <Nermal> cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/iaxclient login
[02:45] <Nermal> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/iaxclient co -P iaxclient
[02:45] <Nermal> !info cvs
[02:45] <ubotu> cvs: (Concurrent Versions System), section devel, is optional. Version: 1:1.12.9-9 (hoary), Packaged size: 1400 kB, Installed size: 3024 kB
[02:46] <Nermal> so sudo apt-get install cvs
[02:46] <Toba> hmmm this is odd
[02:46] <CzarAlex> Nermal,  so I want to: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1
[02:46] <Toba> I plugged in my flashdrive and it won't let me delete things in the root of it
[02:46] <Nermal> CzarAlex, yes.. that will format it.. you will need to put a sudo before that to do it as root
[02:46] <CzarAlex> understoof.
[02:46] <CzarAlex> d
[02:46] <Toba>  /media/FLASH/ is accessible... but I can't delete /media/FLASH/my_documents.zip
[02:46] <Nermal> you will lose all data! yadda yadda
[02:47] <Toba> but I *can* edit the file /media/FLASH/owner.txt
[02:47] <Nermal> Toba, flash drive write protected ?
[02:47] <Toba> what is up with that?
[02:47] <Nermal> umm
[02:47] <Nermal> permissions are ballsed
[02:47] <bigfoot1> nermal, which of the 2 cvs commands you wrote above should I use?
[02:47] <Toba> Nermal: it seems so
[02:47] <Toba> what I wonder is why and how to fix it
[02:47] <Nermal> bigfoot1, both..just hit enter after the first to log in with no password
[02:47] <Eko> hi
[02:47] <Nermal> Toba, sudo chown yourusername /media/FLASH/* ?
[02:48] <Nermal> Eko, from worcestershire ?
[02:48] <Eko> yeah
[02:48] <Nermal> cool :) I'm from Malvern :)
[02:48] <ed1t> Nermal, i installed the gstreamer plugins but it still gives me the same error
[02:48] <CzarAlex> Nermal, what do I refer to this new drive as when using the mount command?
[02:48] <InHell^19m> hey ppl  how can i get to know the kernel version from console?
[02:48] <Nermal> ed1t, hmm.. restarted rhythmbox ?
[02:49] <jcoxon> InHell^19m, uname -r
[02:49] <Nermal> CzarAlex, mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/mountpoint
[02:49] <bigfoot1> Nermal, ok. i did the first command, and hit enter when it asks for password. Now, nothing is happening. SHoud i just wait?
[02:49] <Toba> hm
[02:49] <Toba> no luck
[02:49] <ed1t> ahh it needed a restart
[02:49] <Toba> stil doesn't work
[02:49] <Eko> ive installed Ubuntu but when i boot it says i have some name resolution error, it continues fine until i get to the logon screen i think and all i can see is flashing squares?? any idea what this is?
[02:49] <Nermal> where mountpoint is a dir you created in /mnt with mkdir
[02:49] <ed1t> thx again Nermal
[02:49] <InHell^19m> thanks
[02:49] <Nermal> Toba, sudo chmod 644 /media/FLASH/* ?
[02:49] <CzarAlex> Nermal, hmm. I didnt create any dir's yet.
[02:49] <Nermal> CzarAlex, create one now :)
[02:49] <CzarAlex> heh  ok
[02:49] <Nermal> call it what you want
[02:50] <Nermal> convention is to plonk it in /mnt
[02:50] <bigfoot1> Nermal, oh it finished now. I got this error: cvs login: warning: failed to open /home/me/.cvspass for reading: No such file or directory
[02:50] <Toba> it says it's a read-only filesystem
[02:50] <Nermal> bigfoot1, that's fine.. notice how you said "I get this error" and cvs is saying "warning"
[02:50] <rasputnik> Toba: what's it mounted as?
[02:50] <Nermal> Toba, mount -o remount,rw /media/FLASH ?
[02:50] <bigfoot1> Nermal, sorry. you're right. It wasn't called an error.
[02:50] <Toba> it's in /media/
[02:50] <Nermal> bigfoot1, :)
[02:51] <rasputnik> Toba: sorry, I meant what fstype
[02:51] <Toba> oh
[02:51] <Toba> it's fat16
[02:51] <Toba> that'd be a problem right?
[02:51] <ColonelKernel> vfat
[02:51] <Toba> since it doesn't do permissions
[02:51] <Nermal> well.. it should be ok
[02:51] <Toba> but it isn't
[02:51] <Nermal> what does mount say it's mounted as?
[02:51] <rasputnik> Toba: not a problem really, but it won't do permissions as you say. there's an option to mount somewhere to set 'virtual' perms
[02:52] <Toba> ah
[02:52] <Nermal> fat16 uses msdos module not vfat iirc
[02:52] <Nermal> vfat = fat32
[02:52] <Toba> do I have to mount it for that to work?
[02:52] <CzarAlex> Nermal, strange. it only used 4gigs of the 15 possible.
[02:52] <Nermal> CzarAlex, ermm...
[02:52] <bigfoot1> Nermal, ok, i finished the second cvs command. is there another step?
[02:52] <Nermal> you sure that's not your main drive ?
[02:52] <rasputnik> Toba: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/31/2004/06/4/189734
[02:52] <Nermal> bigfoot1, it should have downloaded some files
[02:52] <Nermal> and plonked them in a new dir
[02:53] <bigfoot1> Nermal, yes it downloaded many files.
[02:53] <Nermal> bigfoot1, there are going to be a lot of steps.. you're going to have to build it and install it :|
[02:53] <zukalk> !rule 1
[02:53] <ubotu> Rule number one: Don't fix it if it isn't broken!
[02:53] <Nermal> cd into the dir and try ./configure
[02:53] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: you cd into the directory and then read the 'install' file
[02:53] <bigfoot1> Nermal, okay, how do i build?
[02:53] <CzarAlex> i make a dir in /mnt called torrents and then ran the mount command
[02:53] <bigfoot1> okay.
[02:53] <Nermal> CzarAlex, and does /dev/hdb1 appear in df -h ?
[02:53] <CzarAlex> Nermal,  yes
[02:53] <CzarAlex> wait
[02:54] <CzarAlex> yes it does.
[02:54] <CzarAlex> as 4gigs
[02:54] <Nermal> hmm..
[02:54] <Nermal> only one partition on the drive ?
[02:54] <CzarAlex> oooh... wait. come to think of it. there were two. windows partitions though. didnt think that would make a difference.
[02:54] <twilight> Nermal: i've solved :)
[02:54] <anu> can any one help on spalsh
[02:55] <Nermal> CzarAlex, second partition would be /dev/hdb2
[02:55] <CzarAlex> can I merge the two?
[02:55] <Nermal> you can combine them by nuking the partitions and creating a new big one with fdisk
[02:55] <Nermal> or cfdisk
[02:55] <Nermal> CzarAlex, tell you what
[02:55] <Nermal> sudo apt-get install gparted
[02:55] <Nermal> !gparted
[02:55] <ubotu> Nermal: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[02:55] <Nermal> !info gparted
[02:55] <ubotu> gparted: (partition editor for GNOME), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.0.8+cvs2005022001-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 303 kB, Installed size: 1152 kB
[02:55] <Nermal> :)
[02:55] <CzarAlex> oo nice! thank you.
[02:56] <Nermal> partition magic like graphical tool for you :)
[02:56] <Nermal> I think you should be able to toodle around easily, maybe even merge them :)
[02:56] <bigfoot1> i found the readme file in the iaxclient directory (from CVS). it says: BUILDING THE LIBRARY: From the "lib" directory:Linux: type "make" using standard gnu make/gcc. "   My question is, Am I okay with this "standard" make?
[02:56] <reka> anu: spalsh?
[02:56] <CzarAlex> yeah doofy me needs graphical :\
[02:57] <Nermal> CzarAlex, nah.. I've nuked wrong partitions by accident with fdisk.. much better to see what you are doing :)
[02:57] <Nermal> I even wrote the changes to disk :|
[02:57] <Nermal> and that was before I started drinking
[02:57] <Nermal> bigfoot1, sure.. if it's installed
[02:57] <anu> reka: splash is like a graphical appearance instead of comands that u see
[02:58] <Nermal> anu, ask a specific question
[02:58] <rasputnik> anu: you want a grub splash screen
[02:58] <reka> anu: were you tuxme?
[02:58] <bigfoot1> Nermal, what do you mean? do you mean it will be installed by this "make" command. Or that i should use "make" only if it has already been installed?
[02:58] <wrtpeeps> hi, i am having problems logging into the root account so i can get software. I'm new to linux/ubuntu.
[02:58] <anu> reka: yes
[02:58] <reka> anu: i've forgotten what your original question was, but i think the good folk at #kubuntu were talking about setting a splash image for GRUB.
[02:58] <wrtpeeps> i type su - , but i don't know the password
[02:58] <rasputnik> wrtpeeps: don't. use sudo
[02:58] <anu> reka: all how to install it
[02:58] <reka> anu: rasputnik seems to know bout that.
[02:58] <wrtpeeps> rasputnik, sorry?
[02:58] <reka> anu: i have no clue
[02:58] <rasputnik> wrtpeeps: use 'sudo some command you run as root'
[02:59] <wrtpeeps> ah
[02:59] <rasputnik> wrtpeeps: and give it your password when it asks
[02:59] <reka> !tell wrtpeeps about rootsudo
[02:59] <anu> reka : thnkz
[02:59] <wrtpeeps> so, for example, 'sudo apt-get update'
[02:59] <wrtpeeps> ahhh
[02:59] <wrtpeeps> wonderful
[02:59] <rasputnik> wrtpeeps: yup. like osx
[02:59] <reka> wrtpeeps: yep.  read the wiki page for more info
[02:59] <Nermal> bigfoot1, "make" is a program that needs to be installed before you can build software with it
[03:00] <wrtpeeps> rasputnik, thank you very much :D
[03:00] <anu> rasputnik : can you help in installin splash image for GRUB
[03:00] <rasputnik> anu: what have you tried? search google  or the forums, it's straightforward
[03:00] <wrtpeeps> ok, 1 more question, how do i modify my GRUB to include my windows installation
[03:00] <CzarAlex> Nermal, that new partition i formatted and mounted doesnt show up in the device list in gparted
[03:00] <rasputnik> wrtpeeps: did it not to that for you?
[03:01] <reka> wrtpeeps: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:01] <Nermal> CzarAlex, does the actual disk ?
[03:01] <wrtpeeps> rasputnik, hmm, maybe it did, i haven't checked.
[03:01] <Garrison> reka: do you think a reinstall would fix the problem? (overwrite, not format)
[03:01] <wrtpeeps> Anyway, thank you everybody
[03:01] <wrtpeeps> bye
[03:01] <reka> Garrison: did you have sound before you installed the nvidia stuff?
[03:01] <CzarAlex> no. the only disc that shows up is the boot one
[03:01] <anu> i hv tried ubuntu form
[03:02] <Nermal> CzarAlex, erm,... you selected the right disk in the drop down list at the top right ?
[03:02] <Garrison> reka: Yes, that's the annoying part, I installed the nforce drivers in attempt to get my fibre-optic s/pdif to work. It did, then it broke, gave me millions of errors upon boot, now I can't get rid of the damn thing.
[03:02] <anu> form that i got splashy1.3
[03:02] <Nermal> Garrison, re-install the kernel modules ?
[03:02] <nalioth> howdy
[03:03] <CzarAlex> Nermal, I should just wear a diaper. Im such a baby :) Found it. (the drive...not the diaper)
[03:03] <Nermal> CzarAlex, :)
[03:03] <bigfoot1> Nermal, i ran make, and it worked. so i think i already have make installed.
[03:03] <Garrison> Nermal, reka: Maybe rebuilding/reinstalling the nvidia drivers (to un-break them), then doing a --uninstall ?
[03:03] <reka> nalioth: feel rested? :)
[03:03] <Nermal> bigfoot1, cool
[03:03] <bigfoot1> Nermal, rasputnik , after running this make command, what's the next step.
[03:03] <bigfoot1> ?
[03:03] <ColonelKernel> if I have a pentium 4 2.6 HT is it wrth 200 bucks to upgrade to a amd64 3000 setup?
[03:04] <nalioth> reka: not really, i was training for my new job up until 6 hours ago
[03:04] <anu> rasputnik : can tell me how to configure splash from starting
[03:04] <rasputnik> ColonelKernel: is it maxxing out the CPU?
[03:04] <rasputnik> anu: http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/
[03:04] <Nermal> right.. bbl.. got to head into bosses office
[03:04] <rasputnik> first link on google for 'splash grub'
[03:05] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: sudo make install
[03:05] <ColonelKernel> rasputnik, games I guess
[03:05] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: should put stuff into /usr/local/
[03:05] <nalioth> reka: so really havent had much sleep
[03:05] <Garrison> Nermal: the nforce installer gave me: ERROR: Unable to remove kernel module 'nvsound'
[03:05] <bigfoot1> rasputnik, how do i know the name of the file to install?
[03:05] <ColonelKernel> right now Ill be keeping my agp video card but later on ill get a new mobo and u/g to a pci-e card
[03:05] <ColonelKernel> and mobo
[03:06] <rasputnik> ColonelKernel: in my experience disk is always the bottleneck, not the cpu
[03:06] <krishna2> what is this ubuntu
[03:06] <zukalk> !ubuntu
[03:06] <ubotu> well, ubuntu is an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'.
[03:06] <reka> nalioth: well, at least you're keepng busy. :)
[03:06] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: you don't need to, it's in the makefile. just type 'sudo make install'
[03:06] <ColonelKernel> rasputnik, i was thinking more like the 1600mhz fsb and wide open pipelines to things
[03:06] <wza> how make ubuntu boot with commandline only? changing runtimelevel doesn't seem to work
[03:06] <bigfoot1> rasputnik, gotcha.
[03:06] <nalioth> reka: a little too busy, atm
[03:06] <rasputnik> ColonelKernel: oooooh that's nice :)
[03:07] <ColonelKernel> yeah look at this deal on tigerdirect, I really want it
[03:07] <ColonelKernel> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1205783&sku=MBM-SK8T800-3000
[03:07] <ColonelKernel> Ive had very good experiences w chaintech mobo's
[03:07] <ColonelKernel> cheap but fast
[03:08] <bigfoot1> rasputnik, i get this error: make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop." Should i be in a particular directory?
[03:08] <tahorg> hi
[03:08] <rasputnik> ColonelKernel: cpu and mobo for 170 bucks? thats' what, 80 quid in real money? wow
[03:08] <calc> wza: easiest way is to uninstall gdm
[03:08] <krishna2> any body wants to help me with my web server
[03:08] <ColonelKernel> rasputnik, thats a pretty good deal methinks
[03:08] <tahorg> who is packaging X in breezy ?
[03:08] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: yeah, you should be in the source tree you got from cvs
[03:09] <calc> tahorg: look in the changelog
[03:09] <bigfoot1> rasputnik, "source tree"?
[03:09] <wza> calc: no further configuration needed?
[03:09] <rasputnik> krishna2: what's the problem
[03:09] <calc> wza: not after you do that, that is the package that starts X server
[03:09] <reka> wza: or you could alternatively install rcconf and then just disable gdm apparently
[03:09] <krishna2> just a little help
[03:09] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: directory of source code? the stuff you checked out with  cvs
[03:09] <tahorg> xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse
[03:09] <krishna2> it is best to use windows with cygwin all packages
[03:09] <tahorg> that IS SO UGLY
[03:10] <CzarAlex> Nermal, create this new drive as primary or extended partition (Does primary mean itll replace my main drive that ubuntu is located on?)
[03:10] <krishna2> no
[03:10] <krishna2> iot is the best
[03:10] <krishna2> it
[03:10] <calc> or just disable gdm using update-rc.d
[03:10] <krishna2> 6:39:30 PM: <krishna2> it is best to use windows with cygwin all packages
[03:10] <bigfoot1> rasputnik, okay, in the "/iaxclient" folder, we have 3 folders: CVS, lib, and simpleclient.
[03:11] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: is this where you ran 'make' from earlier
[03:11] <rasputnik> krishna2: what are you on about?
[03:11] <bigfoot1> rasputnik, i ran make from iaxclient/lib
[03:12] <bigfoot1> rasputnik, but from from iaxclient/lib, i also get that error
[03:12] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: ok. is there a Makefile in the top folder? ( the iavclient one)?
[03:12] <bigfoot1> in top folder, there are 2 files: copying.lib and readme.
[03:13] <krishna2> rasputnik windows with cygwin
[03:13] <krishna2> do you know cygwin?
[03:13] <wza> calc: making the command look like 'update-rc.d -n ...' ?
[03:13] <Garrison> reka: What's the make *config for the curses config? (building kernel)
[03:13] <bigfoot1> rasputnik, i found the makefile. it's in /lib. But the letter M of Makefile is capitalized. Shoudl i make it a small "m"?
[03:14] <rasputnik> krishna2: no. try asking on a cygwin channel?
[03:14] <krishna2> ok
[03:14] <krishna2> i just gave a comment
[03:14] <linukso> Garrison: make menuconfig
[03:14] <nalioth> reka needs to refer Garrison to the many good howtos out on the www, cuz kernel building is a little over the top for in here
[03:14] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: no, that's fine. there isn't a Makefile in the top level then? maybe cos it's cvs
[03:14] <krishna2> have you installed make?
[03:15] <bigfoot1> krishna2, yes i believe i have "make" installed.
[03:15] <reka> nalioth: well that makes me feel a little less incompetent. :)
[03:15] <bigfoot1> rasputnik, no, there isn't a makefile in top level folder. what should we do now?
[03:15] <nalioth> reka: don't worry, i'm always incompetent
[03:15] <krishna2> why no eggdrops here?
[03:15] <nalioth> just not incontinent
[03:16] <nalioth> krishna2: what kind of eggdrop?
[03:16] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: what's in the simpleclient folder ? any binaries?
[03:16] <tanki> hi
[03:16] <krishna2> nalioth any eggdrop
[03:16] <krishna2> eggdrop bot
[03:16] <Dorward> krishna2: why should there be?
[03:17] <yonil> how can i run xfree86 instead of x.org ?
[03:17] <nalioth> !info eggdrop
[03:17] <Seveas> krishna2, bots are not allowed in here
[03:17] <ubotu> eggdrop: (Advanced IRC Robot), section universe/net, is extra. Version: 1.6.17-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 459 kB, Installed size: 1144 kB
[03:17] <nalioth> krishna2: except for that one
[03:17] <Seveas> only ubotu is
[03:17] <tanki> uboto is more than a bot i think, he has personality
[03:17] <bigfoot1> rasputnik, no binaries in the /simpleclient folder. there are only more subfolders: CVS, iax2slin, iaxcomm, iaxphone, testcall, tkphone  (etc etc).
[03:17] <reka> yonil: why would you want to?
[03:17] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: shit :/
[03:18] <yonil> reka, some issues i have with a driver which xfree might solve ..
[03:18] <bigfoot1> rasputnik, can't we do something with the makefile in /lib?
[03:18] <devios> anyone know how to set up a PDF printer in ubuntu?
[03:19] <tanki> devios, is that a printer that only prints PDF files?
[03:19] <devios> tanki: yes
[03:19] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: a makefile has a list of 'targets' to do things like build, install the source code. If theres' no 'install' target you have to manually put the libraries into the system yourself. that's a pain
[03:19] <tanki> are they cheaper than regular printers?
[03:19] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: check those folders in simpleclient. I'd imagine there is a binary in each of them
[03:19] <bigfoot1> rasputnik, but there is a makefile! it's in iaxclient/lib folder. can't we work with that?
[03:19] <devios> tanki: I am trying to print to a pdf file instead of paper
[03:20] <devios> tanki: an electronic pdf file
[03:20] <nalioth> tanki: what he wants is the option to "print to PDF" instead of to a HP DeskJet
[03:20] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: not if it has no install target, no. and if it did, then 'make install' in that folder would have worked
[03:20] <Fadly> what you say!!!!!
[03:20] <tanki> oh i see
[03:20] <krishna2> what do i do with a dns?
[03:20] <reka> tanki: no in the literal sense. :)  you use one to output any document to a pdf file. iirc
[03:20] <bigfoot1> rasputnik, so what should we do now? I only need iaxclient because another program (kiax) needs it.
[03:20] <reka> *not in the literal sense
[03:21] <tanki> reka, like converting * -> pdf?
[03:21] <krishna2> what do i do with a dns?
[03:21] <devios> I was able to set up a pdf printer, but it doesn't print correctly.  It turns most of the text on the web page I am trying to print into garbage, but some of the images are working correctly.
[03:21] <reka> tanki: think so
[03:21] <tanki> krishna2, you resolve things
[03:21] <krishna2> what does that mean?
[03:22] <Dorward> krishna2: You put in hostnames and get ip addresses out. (And vice versa)
[03:22] <tanki> krishna2, it means resolving numeric ip addresses to hostnames and vice versa
[03:22] <krishna2>  brb
[03:22] <krishna2> oh
[03:22] <krishna2> ok
[03:23] <nalioth> delire the spanish dancer has arrived
[03:23] <tanki> i think we should get rid of dns and just all have one huge /etc/hosts file with every host on the internet hehe
[03:23] <tanki> it's so much easier
[03:23] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: you'd have to copy the library files somewhere by hand, then tell kiav where to load them from. it's non-trivial
[03:23] <tanki> of course the file in question would probably be a gig or two large but hey.. the price of evolution
[03:23] <delire> nalioth: it's all cucarachachacha here..
[03:23] <bigfoot1> rasputnik, "non-trivial" means difficult?
[03:24] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: if you feel adventurous you could 1) make an /opt/lib folder 2) copy the .sos into that 3) add it to /etc/ld.so.conf, 4) run ldconfig
[03:24] <oga7876> hey all... i'm just intalling ubuntu on my laptop atm and i have 2 partitions set up at 10G each 1 for linux, 1 for winxp i'm not sure which one i should erase from looking at partitioning screen in ubuntu installer. fat32 has a lighting arrow ntfs has nothing... which needs to go?
[03:24] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: that will set up the system so it can find libraries in /opt/lib. then try install kiav.
[03:24] <rasputnik> *ing
[03:24] <mumbles> oga7876 you might need a swap
[03:25] <devios> because I do not have a working PDF printer, I have to save webpages as webpages, download them to a Winblows machine, and PDF them there
[03:25] <bigfoot1> rasputnik, so maybe the official website of iaxclient doesn't have the deb. But do you think we can find it elsewhere? maybe in unofficial repos? or somewhere in the internet? what do you think?
[03:25] <dbtsai> hi~~
[03:25] <rasputnik> devios: kword can print pdfs. not sure if that helps you though
[03:25] <oga7876>  mumbles.... i have no problems letting it autoformat the remaing space when i clear either the fat32 or the ntfs but i need to know which one to get rid of
[03:25] <oga7876> i'd think it was the fat32
[03:25] <oga7876> (cos xp uses ntfs to the best of my knowledge)
[03:25] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: worth a shot. is kiav a deb then?
[03:26] <dbtsai> Is anyone knowing that how to sleep on ibook?
[03:26] <tanki> oga, just make sure before you do anything you backup anything you want saved in windows
[03:26] <bigfoot1> rasputnik, what's kiav?do you mean xiav?
[03:26] <oga7876> but.... fat32 has lightning arrow thing on it which suggests it has a bootable partition on it
[03:26] <delire> http://elastico.net/copyfight is a festival we are setting up with many public Ubuntu machines. there is a running question as to whether anyone has had any issues with the odd USB storage device (including cameras) not automatically mounting (due to "bad device descriptor" or odd device mapping etc or whatever)??? these machines are public terminals to be used as workbenches.
[03:26] <nbx909> dbtsai, why did you put linux on a mac?
[03:26] <rasputnik> oga7876: are they the same size?
[03:26] <bigfoot1> rasputnik, sorry, not xiav either.
[03:26] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: sorry yeah
[03:26] <oga7876> both same size
[03:26] <oga7876> yeah
[03:26] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: whatever you're client is called
[03:26] <dbtsai> due to mac osx's chinese fonts is not clear
[03:26] <nbx909> how do you stream music in linux?
[03:27] <dbtsai> so I decide to use linux and use MOL~~
[03:27] <tanki> nbx909, open xmms and then turn up your volume really loud and piss off your neighbor
[03:27] <rasputnik> oga7876: maybe bot into windows and right-click->properties on the drive to be sure. think that tells you the fstype
[03:27] <tanki> :)
[03:27] <delire> nbx909: ffmpeg
[03:27] <bigfoot1> rasputnik, here's the thing. I have this voip program called kiax. And i've already gotten the deb for this. But it needs iaxclient. It's this iaxclient that doesnt' have a deb. It's this iaxclient where we were messing around with CVS and sudo make install, etc.
[03:27] <nbx909> delire, that doesn't have a gui does it?
[03:27] <delire> nbx909: there are many clients for this, even icecast/darkice et al
[03:28] <Garrison> Anyone: I'm using kernel 2.6.10-5-k7, where (and what) source do I need to build from?
[03:28] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: yeah gotcha. I was just giving general 'how to build from source' advice. i have'nt used any of the stuff above.
[03:28] <dbtsai> I use kernel 2.6.11-1-powerpc with hoary
[03:28] <delire> nbx909: check out monopod
[03:28] <tanki> heck even some linux sound daemons have remote capability yet i've never heard of someone using it
[03:28] <nbx909> delire, ok
[03:28] <rasputnik> bigfoot1: seems odd that there would be a package for a program but not for the libraries it needs?
[03:28] <delire> nbx909: though that's podcasting really.
[03:28] <nbx909> arg
[03:29] <nbx909> delire, i want something like winamo
[03:29] <nbx909> winamp*
[03:29] <sinferno> will i have problems if i install winex and i have cedega installed?
[03:29] <dbtsai> nbx909: Do you know kow to slave this problem??
[03:29] <tanki> i have to admit, linux has too many daemonified programs.. i mean like take the font server in x for example.. who here is has ever had the need to setup a font server to share fonts?
[03:29] <nbx909> kow?
[03:29] <zukalk> slave?
[03:29] <tanki> lol
[03:29] <bigfoot1> rasputnik, yeah, odd, isn't it? but do you think we can get the iaxclient deb somewhere else?
[03:29] <nbx909> slave?
[03:29] <Dorward> tanki: X doesn't have to use a font server, it is quite happy to read them off the filesystem.
[03:29] <tanki> hey brad, i have this cool font i got last night, connect to my font server!
[03:29] <highvoltage> nbx909: apt-get install xmms
[03:29] <dylan_> when is breezy supposed to be available?
[03:30] <dbtsai> sorry...slove~~
[03:30] <zukalk> !breezy
[03:30] <Dorward> tanki: But when you have lots of workstations, its nice to have a central location on the network to store the fonts.
[03:30] <delire> nbx909: can't xmms stream? i'm sure there are plugins
[03:30] <dylan_> !breezy
[03:30] <dylan_> ?
[03:30] <dbtsai> slove this sleep problem
[03:30] <nbx909> highvoltage, i have it and i use it to listen to my mp3s... is there a way to stream using it?
[03:30] <oga7876> who would have thought winxp installed fat32
[03:30] <mumbles> !ubnutuguide
[03:30] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, mumbles
[03:30] <tanki> Dorward, oh i know it doesn't have to use one, but it has one nevertheless.. it just seems like something only a very few people would use, which makes me wonder why they include it
[03:30] <nbx909> delire, how do you install plug-ins?
[03:31] <ptlo> ivoks! :)
[03:31] <tanki> i mean i vaguly remember identifying it once as running when i was auditing my system and closing unnecessary ports and it was runner
[03:31] <tanki> like, why would they enable that by default hehe
[03:31] <ivoks> ptlo: hi!
[03:31] <delire> nbx909: you copy them to your xmms plugins folder or install them via apt.
[03:31] <nbx909> ok
[03:31] <MoRpHe0> wenassss
[03:31] <nbx909> let me find it
[03:32] <nbx909> is xmms in /var/xmms or /home/name/.xmms ?
[03:32] <nbx909> er not var
[03:32] <bigfoot1> rasputnik, i think i have good news! i searched "iaxclient deb" and found http://lists.debian.org/debian-wnpp/2004/09/msg00233.html. someone debianized the iaxclient files. What do you think? is it safe, appropriate for me?
[03:32] <kennef> I pose this question: With ubuntu definately becoming quite the flavour of the moment, where do users envision the distro to be in a number of years?
[03:32] <Garrison> nbx909: locate xmms
[03:32] <nbx909> nvm
[03:32] <tanki> Dorward, yeah i know what you mean but most of us are home users
[03:33] <EnsignRedshirt> Hello, world.
[03:33] <nbx909> xmms: /usr/bin/xmms /usr/lib/xmms /usr/share/xmms /usr/share/man/man1/xmms.1.gz
[03:33] <nbx909> i perfer whereis
[03:33] <nalioth> kennef: i envision ubuntu to be a synonymous with OSX for out-of-the-box usability
[03:33] <zukalk> EnsignRedshirt, howdy
[03:33] <delire> nbx909: i would use vlc for your streaming needs
[03:33] <nbx909> it can stream?
[03:33] <EnsignRedshirt> Anyone out there using the "Simple" theme in gnome?
[03:33] <tanki> Dorward, if we have a computer lab in our living room, it's only by chance
[03:33] <delire> nbx909: that's half it's job, yes.
[03:34] <nbx909> duhh...
[03:34] <nbx909> arg
[03:34] <nbx909> i is stupid
[03:34] <delire> nbx909: apt-cache show vlc
[03:34] <nbx909> i know i installed ot
[03:34] <tanki> nbx909, i r not i is
[03:34] <nbx909> it8
[03:34] <tanki> hehe
[03:34] <nbx909> i use it to recieve streams
[03:34] <tanki> i r stupid but i 3> the intraweb
[03:34] <tanki> etc
[03:34] <EnsignRedshirt> When using "Simple" in firefox, the highlighted menu items are displayed with white text on a white background.  That's not a useful combination!
[03:34] <Eko> i get a tempory failure in name resolution every time i boot up Ubuntu whats causing this and how can i solve it
[03:34] <nbx909> i even used to it stream video in windows before
[03:35] <nbx909> ok thanks
[03:35] <tanki> eko, what's it trying to resolve?
[03:35] <delire> nbx909: np
[03:35] <nalioth> Eko: what is the name of your box?
[03:35] <reka> EnsignRedshirt: hehe.  no it isn't :)
[03:35] <delire> has anyone here had an issue with a USB storage device not automounting on Hoary?
[03:35] <kaktos> could someone give a source.list with brazilian repositories?
[03:35] <Eko> dont know what its trying to resolve?
[03:36] <nalioth> Eko: what is the name of your box?
[03:36] <tanki> you can just link your name to localhost (which is also one of the ways we used to block/break web ads)
[03:36] <delire> nalioth: seen this? http://usefulinc.com/edd/blog/contents/2005/06/17-monopod/read
[03:36] <devios> rasputnik: can't openoffice print to pdf too?
[03:36] <oga7876> hehe... i've been playing with ubuntu for 6 months on and off on my pc and now its installing the base system on my laptop... all these programs/packages that i've had to fuck around with over the past 6 months flashing past really quickly
[03:36] <delire> nalioth: a great little app. very tidy.
[03:37] <kaktos> i need a repositories list plz
[03:37] <tanki> oga, you'll go nuts if you try to keep track of them all :)
[03:37] <delire> devios: yes it does export pdf
[03:37] <tanki> oga, what you should do is just install everything and remove what you dont like afterwards
[03:37] <oga7876> nah... just the ones i've recognised
[03:37] <oga7876> fair enough
[03:37] <reka> EnsignRedshirt: you could change the controls in theme details....but then it isn't really "pure" simple is it?
[03:37] <ed1t> suse sucks
[03:37] <nalioth> delire so i see, but i guess i'm boring and not "with it"
[03:37] <oga7876> but every time i'm afraid i'll break it... i know its' easy to fix but it's a hassle
[03:37] <tanki> oga, yeah i know what you mean, sometimes i stroll /bin and /usr/bin and i get a tear in my eye.. so many memories
[03:38] <kaktos> i need a repositories list plz!!!!!!!!!!
[03:38] <zAo^> how can I play DVDs?
[03:38] <zAo^> kaktos, tried www.ubuntuguide.org??
[03:38] <oga7876> i don't mind breaking it again and again the first time i try to get something working
[03:38] <oga7876> but i don't want to break it afterwards again
[03:38] <delire> nalioth: you mean 'podcasting'? i didn't really 'get it' until i tried. it's not a bad medium, if you could call it that.
[03:38] <Garrison> Oh thats just charming, I've spent 2 hours trying to remove the nforce audio OSS thing, yet, it still works. It's still putting out.. SOB
[03:38] <reka> kaktos: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[03:38] <nalioth> delire: i dont seem to have the time to listen to stuff
[03:39] <reka> kaktos: jsut prepend the urls with br
[03:39] <ed1t> nalioth, i got xp, ubuntu and suse installed, but since suse is the last distro i installed, the grub loader is from suse, if i format suse's partition, will i be able to get the grub loader for ubuntu?
[03:39] <EnsignRedshirt> reka: I'll do some experimenting with that.  Strange that the problem only appears in firefox.
[03:39] <tanki> oga, it's better to break something right after a fresh install than it is 6 months later when you have everything customized
[03:39] <reka> kaktos: e.g. br.archive.ubuntu.com
[03:39] <zAo^> ed1t, did you share the /boot?
[03:39] <oga7876> true that
[03:39] <ed1t> i dont remember now
[03:39] <nalioth> ed1t: just edit your grubs menu.lst in suse and add the info for the ubuntu partition
[03:39] <osity> does anyone have raid1 knowledge in ubuntu ....??
[03:40] <zAo^> sorry osity
[03:40] <tanki> the first time i ran linux, at around 4am the hard drive started to cycle i thought i was being hacked into so i re-installed
[03:40] <kaktos> reka, ill try
[03:40] <oga7876> btw.. has anybody every had a problem with the screen flashing on and off during install on an asus laptop......
[03:40] <nalioth> tanki: those are just the midnight elves, hard at work
[03:40] <Garrison> reka, and idea how to set the terminal font?
[03:40] <oga7876> i've got it hooked to a monitor instead atm
[03:40] <reka> tanki: it was probably updating the slocate database :)
[03:40] <oga7876> but the colours are all wack
[03:40] <delire> zAo^: install libdvdcss2 and libdvdread3 et al
[03:40] <zAo^> oga7876, I had that on my laptop (not Asus though)
[03:40] <reka> Garrison: edit > current profile
[03:40] <oga7876> wierd
[03:40] <tanki> oh now you tell me, where were you 6 years ago!
[03:40] <tanki> when i needed this little bit of info
[03:41] <reka> Garrison: that's if you're using gnome-terminal
[03:41] <tanki> :)
[03:41] <Garrison> .. I meant the boot-terminal
[03:41] <zAo^> delire, libdvdrss2 is not in the Breezy repo. I installed the hoary one, still cant play DVDs
[03:41] <bigfoot1> rasputnik, if this debianized version of iaxclient works for me, how do all the things i did with the CVS files?
[03:41] <ed1t> nalioth, yea but i am gonna format suse's paritition, so wats the point of editing menu.lst from suse?
[03:41] <delire> zAo^: 'mplayer dvd://' to be sure.
[03:41] <ed1t> i can access ubuntu from suse's grub loader
[03:41] <reka> Garrison: boot-terminal?  do you mean console? like where you're not in X?
[03:41] <zAo^> delire, no codec..
[03:41] <dylan_> how do i use fakeroot -i to install LimeWire?
[03:41] <tanki> does ubuntu use grub as the bootloader or lilo?
[03:42] <Garrison> reka; yes
[03:42] <Garrison> reka: ie. CTRL+ALT+F1
[03:42] <reka> Garrison: you need set vga in grub's menu.lst
[03:42] <reka> *need to set
[03:42] <nalioth> ed1t: after you are done wiping suse, go here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows   and get your grub/ubuntu back
[03:42] <Seveas> tanki, grub by default
[03:42] <xenox> hi
[03:42] <reka> Garrison: Seveas can help you out with that
[03:42] <oga7876> hey zao^ with the flashing... did it go away after?
[03:42] <tanki> Seveas, yeah it seems grub is the default for everyone these days.. is lilo still included?
[03:42] <zeenix> hello
[03:43] <Seveas> tanki, yes
[03:43] <zAo^> lo zeenix
[03:43] <dylan_> how do i install the limewire rpm to the correct folders?
[03:43] <zAo^> oga7876, yes. After the install and reboot it was gone.
[03:43] <zeenix> how do i scp to a ubuntu system as root?
[03:43] <oga7876> kthnx
[03:43] <bigfoot1> how do i search the repos in terminal? what command?
[03:43] <zeenix> there is no 'root' user in ubuntu, right?
[03:43] <tahorg> grub is so better than lilo. I wonder why so many people still use lilo
[03:43] <nalioth> dylan_: rpms are not hte best solution, but it should install where it is supposed to
[03:43] <rg58sma> hii
[03:43] <Seveas> zeenix, you will have to enable root ssh logins
[03:43] <rg58sma> good morning
[03:44] <Seveas> bigfoot1, apt-cache search
[03:44] <reka> bigfoot1: apt-cache search <keywords>
[03:44] <kaktos> how should i edit my sources.list
[03:44] <tanki> Seveas, i still fancy lilo but i'm an old dog hehe
[03:44] <kaktos> ?
[03:44] <rg58sma> hiii
[03:44] <Seveas> kaktos, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:44] <Eko> when i boot into Ubuntu i cant see anything and the screen is just amde up of flashing squares cant access the console through ctrl-alt-f1 either, any ideas?
[03:44] <kaktos> i mean, what should i pu there?
[03:44] <rg58sma> i need a program to sinchronizing audio and video
[03:45] <kaktos> im on brazil, which repositories should i include?
[03:45] <zAo^> Eko, tried failsafe bootup?
[03:45] <Seveas> kaktos: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[03:45] <reka> kaktos: i already told you
[03:45] <nalioth> reka: help Eko with VESA, please
[03:45] <bigfoot1> according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-wnpp/2004/09/msg00233.html, iaxclient is available for apt-get from mentors.debian.com. I've already added mentors.debian.com to my sources. list, but it doesn't seem to be in the repository. Can anyone help?
[03:45] <tanki> Seveas, i remember once a hacker friend of mine had his video card die overnight and he had to retrieve a phone number from a contact list on his computer (the computer wasn't networked) and he used lilo and blindy beeped out the phone number with just shell script heh
[03:46] <Seveas> tanki, lol :)
[03:46] <tanki> i still even remember the code because i've told this story so many times
[03:46] <kaktos> reka, should i insert that link on the sources.list?
[03:46] <reka> kaktos: yes, just prepend the urls with br. to use the brazilian mirrors.
[03:47] <delire> Seveas: sorry to pester, how would you say the USB storage device automounting is in Hoary? we are setting up many public terminals with Hoary here for a festival, in barcelona. we need to know whether we can expect the odd issue.
[03:47] <kaktos> hmmm so i have a greater problem
[03:47] <reka> kaktos: e.g. http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/*
[03:47] <kaktos> coz the amsn isnt in those repositories
[03:47] <Seveas> delire, very good
[03:48] <Seveas> I personall never encounterd problems with it
[03:48] <delire> Seveas: great news.
[03:48] <zAo^> delire, my external USB hdd does automount
[03:48] <reka> Eko: you could try editing the grub boot line by pressing 'e' at the grub menu and then add vga=ask to the end of the line
[03:48] <tanki> delire, what kind of festival?
[03:48] <Seveas> delire, problems do arise sometimes when using non-standard kernels
[03:48] <delire> Seveas: i have three USB storage devices here and all have worked fine.
[03:48] <Eko> ok i will try that
[03:48] <reka> Eko: you can then try the different framebuffers to hopefully get something that works
[03:48] <Eko> hmm ok
[03:49] <nalioth> delire: i think it depends on brand of usb stick and/or "operator headspace"
[03:49] <Garrison> Seveas: do you know of a list of terminal font sizes? (ie. 0x31b, etc)
[03:49] <Eko> brb :) hopefully something will work
[03:49] <delire> Seveas: a few months ago there were people here with problems in this area, that may have been warty albeit.
[03:49] <Seveas> Garrison, sorry I don't understand waht you mean
[03:50] <osity> can someone that has software raid setup please message me
[03:50] <delire> tanki: a copyleft licensing and copyleft music/software festival
[03:50] <EnsignRedshirt> reka: I switched the theme controls, and firefox now looks fine.  Thanks for the suggestion!
[03:50] <kaktos> i need a wider list of repositories
[03:50] <Garrison> Seveas: a while back I found a page with a table, showing rows and columns. and what the hex-code was for it.
[03:50] <Seveas> Garrison, ah
[03:50] <tanki> sounds exciting delire, will there be alcohol served?
[03:50] <reka> Garrison: that's what i'm googling for :)
[03:50] <kaktos> those in the souce.list in my ubuntu dun have almost anything i need =/
[03:50] <Seveas> I don't know of such a thing, but am interested :)
[03:50] <tanki> free music, free beer :P
[03:50] <delire> tanki: why of course, GPL beer ;)
[03:51] <Garrison> reka: I found it a while ago, set it to the highest, then pulled my 6800GT-OC out, put in a Ti4600, and now it errors on boot.
[03:51] <kaktos> would someone send me the source.list?
[03:51] <Seveas> Garrison, reka google gave me this: http://www.antlinux.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=HowTos.VgaModes
[03:51] <reka> Garrison: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Framebuffer_Support
[03:51] <Seveas> kaktos: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[03:51] <kaktos> is there any problem if i dun use the one from my country?
[03:52] <tanki> delire, now all we need are GPL'd girls and I would be there :)
[03:52] <osity> is anyone running raid 1 in here?
[03:52] <kaktos> Seveas, that page couldnt be found
[03:52] <reka> Seveas: eek you're fast :)
[03:52] <tanki> i'll be the one dancing the salsa with a fine looking blonde in one hand and a stuffed penguin in the other
[03:52] <osity> it's raid 1 in heeere ...so take of all your clothes!
[03:52] <delire> tanki: hmm.. i don't know if i want anyone else freely distributing my girlfriend, making changes and distributing those modifications again.
[03:52] <chroot_> Hi!
[03:52] <chroot_> Wie bekomme ich grub von der hdd und ausm MBR?
[03:52] <IFRFLYR> Anyone know of a good WINDOWS based WEP cracker?
[03:52] <reka> Garrison: in my experience, the 1024x768 is the best
[03:53] <Garrison> Seveas, reka: That's the exact page I had found before.
[03:53] <Garrison> reka: thanks!
[03:53] <zeenix> Seveas, thanks, but any idea how do it do it?
[03:53] <reka> Garrison: but, i couldn't work out how to get around the 60Hz refresh rate
[03:53] <chroot_> how to get rid of grub in MBR and on hdd
[03:53] <Nermal> back
[03:53] <chroot_> sry .. german :D
[03:53] <reka> Garrison: which i can't stand
[03:53] <osity> IFRFLYR: i know a good whole wheat cracker.....
[03:53] <Nermal> please flood me with your ambigous questions
[03:53] <tanki> delire, good point :)
[03:53] <IFRFLYR> Mmm!
[03:53] <tanki> Nermal, the meaning of life?? go!
[03:53] <[koji] > IFRFLYR: Make sure you're not in Florida :P
[03:53] <Garrison> reka: I run a Dell 1800FP, I really dont notice it either way. :-D
[03:53] <Nermal> 42!
[03:53] <delire> IFRFLYR: what do you think?
[03:53] <IFRFLYR> Yes!
[03:53] <nalioth> chroot_: try #ubuntu-de
[03:53] <tanki> lol
[03:53] <chroot_> thanks
[03:54] <reka> Garrison: hehe.  ignorance is bliss
[03:54] <tanki> i am in the company of a pro
[03:54] <nalioth> y'all be good
[03:54] <reka> Garrison: i get dizzy with 60Hz
[03:54] <tanki> reka, everytime someone says that i feel the need to eat steak for some reason
[03:54] <Garrison> reka: Get an LCD, then 50hz looks as good as 100Hz
[03:54] <reka> Garrison: nope, i've used LCDS...still get dizzy
[03:54] <zAo^> reka, why dont you change it?
[03:55] <tanki> now LCD televisions are the bomb
[03:55] <Garrison> reka: really? (A good LCD I hope)
[03:55] <tanki> but they're really bright
[03:55] <reka> zAo^: well if you know how to change the console refresh rate, by all means share. :)
[03:55] <osity> are there any other channels that have ubuntu help?
[03:55] <reka> Garrison: well, it was a hp desktop.  don't know what that tells you :)
[03:55] <NoHope> osity, I know in spanish #ubuntu-es
[03:55] <reka> osity: there are ubuntu mirrors for other countries
[03:55] <reka> osity: and there's #kubuntu
[03:56] <tanki> would a monitor have that option in it's own internal menu settings?
[03:56] <osity> reka: whats kubuntu
[03:56] <tanki> osity, ubuntu molested by kde?
[03:56] <daniels> hi guys.  breezy's X is MAD BROKEN right now.  if you value your sanity, do not upgrade.  at all.
[03:56] <tanki> :)
[03:56] <Garrison> reka: store-bought shit blows anyway.  (With the exception of a few Dell laptops, Gateways, and AlienWare)
[03:56] <Seveas> Garrison, reka https://www.redhat.com/archives/shrike-list/2003-December/msg00080.html
[03:56] <reka> hehe. mad broken
[03:57] <tanki> daniels, if breezy is so bad why did they make such a cute name for it!
[03:57] <oga7876> does anybody know if it is possible/ how hard it is to install freebsd on the same partition as ubuntu?
[03:57] <qt2> tanki, to make up for the whore-y name of the hedgehog? ;)
[03:57] <daniels> breezy isn't bad, it's just that its X packages are ... fun right now.
[03:57] <qt2> bad pun... ;)
[03:57] <zeenix> anyone know how do i enable the root ssh login?
[03:57] <mumbles> Garrison what laptop would you recomend for a 700 pound price ?
[03:58] <delire> qt2: very poor, very very poor..
[03:58] <Seveas> daniels, what caused it?
[03:58] <tanki> daniels, i suppose some people think it's fun trying to eat soup with a knife too :)
[03:58] <qt2> delire, indeed indeed.
[03:58] <Garrison> reka: any idea how to make the penguin appear in the terminal? (at the top)
[03:58] <tanki> qt2, lol
[03:58] <martigan> anyone knows in what file you can edit the steps for cpu scaling ? :S
[03:58] <reka> Seveas: nice, thanks
[03:58] <chroot_> Hi!
[03:58] <qt2> delire, better than not acknowleging it at all.
[03:58] <Garrison> mumbles: whats that in $$?
[03:58] <NoHope> hi
[03:58] <Garrison> mumbles: estimate is fine
[03:58] <chroot_> how to uninstall grub from hdd?
[03:58] <mumbles> erm dunno
[03:58] <daniels> Seveas: me being stupid
[03:58] <Seveas> chroot_, what do you want in the boot sector?
[03:58] <daniels> Seveas: as usual
[03:58] <delire> qt2: perhaps ;)
[03:58] <Seveas> daniels, hehe
[03:59] <mumbles> 	 1,231.49 USD
[03:59] <tanki> i have to admit, linux has hurt my self-esteem
[03:59] <chroot_> Seveas: i want to uninstall grub from the hard disk
[03:59] <mumbles> from xe.com
[03:59] <reka> Garrison: i don't know if ths is what you're looking for, but maybe search around for "splash image"
[03:59] <chroot_> howtodo that?
[03:59] <Seveas> chroot_, ok, but then you have to put something else in the boot sector
[03:59] <Garrison> mumbles: gb-pounds?
[03:59] <Seveas> like lilo or the windows boot loader
[03:59] <chroot_> Seveas: using grub unto gentoo
[03:59] <zeenix> Seveas, ?
[03:59] <mumbles> 700
[03:59] <Seveas> zeenix..?
[04:00] <osity> kubuntu is a dead channel
[04:00] <Garrison> mumbles: 1,231.67 US-$
[04:00] <chroot_> i only wany to get rid of grub from this hdd .. on gentoo there is grub already installed
[04:00] <tanki> if windows goes bad it gets angry and abuses you.. but if linux goes bad it stays happy and just makes you feel bad about yourself... it's like worse than a mother-in-law at times
 anyone know how do i enable the root ssh login?
[04:00] <Garrison> mumbles: you could get something REALLY nice for that price.
[04:00] <Seveas> chroot_, then remove the grub package
[04:00] <chroot_> who>
[04:00] <mumbles> yeh pitry i havent got it yet :P
[04:00] <chroot_> how>?
[04:00] <action09> zeenix  in /etc/sshd_config  PermitRootLogin yes
[04:00] <zeenix> Seveas, that would be something in pam configs?
[04:00] <qt2> mumbles, er, go get the cheapest laptop option at alienware.com ;)
[04:00] <chroot_> Seveas:  how to remove that?
[04:00] <mumbles> want to start saving up for one
[04:00] <zeenix> ah
[04:00] <action09> zeenix  and /etc/init.d/sshd reload
[04:00] <Seveas> zeenix, look at what action09 said. You need to enable the root password too
[04:00] <Seveas> chroot_, aptitude purge grub
[04:01] <pepsix> hrm
[04:01] <tanki> zeenix, nah pam i think is intended to control local auth
[04:01] <mumbles> also want one that will allow me to use ubuntu on it
[04:01] <osity> qt2: fujitsu notebooks at www.silicondirect.com  cheap canadian site
[04:01] <pepsix> someone said xorg -35 was bad.. but i never even saw it in the repository
[04:01] <qt2> Garrison, you want to have a background image for your console?
[04:01] <chroot_> bash: aptitude: command not found
[04:01] <chroot_> Seveas: ??
[04:01] <pepsix> im guessing -36 fixed the problem
[04:01] <Seveas> pepsix, it's only for breezy
[04:01] <qt2> osity, eh?
[04:01] <kaktos> when i ran apt-get update it gives me errors....
[04:01] <chroot_> oh mom
[04:01] <osity> qt2: ya
[04:01] <pepsix> Seveas, i know ;)
[04:01] <Seveas> chroot_, sudo apt-get remove --purge grub
[04:01] <qt2> osity, what about it?
[04:01] <osity> qt2: do you know raid 1?
[04:01] <Garrison> qt2, not background, but rather on the top-left (or sometimes right) there's a little penguin.
[04:01] <tanki> zeenix, like for example say you wanted to increase the amount of characters used to login to your linux box, you would hack pam
[04:02] <mirak> there is a problem with toolchain, to compile a cross gcc, I have this problem, either on powerpc or i386 !
[04:02] <mumbles> also need a site that ships to uk
[04:02] <qt2> Garrison, err, its in the foreground?
[04:02] <qt2> osity, why do you ask
[04:02] <Seveas> mirak, try #ubuntu-toolchain
[04:02] <qt2> ?
[04:02] <Garrison> qt2, yeah, kinda... Um.. Let me see if I can find a good screen-shot somewhere
[04:02] <osity> qt2: cuz i need help setting it up
[04:02] <Seveas> that channel is quite quiet so you might have to wait a while for an answer
[04:02] <delire> Seveas: wasn't aware this channel existed
[04:03] <tanki> be careful around the quiet ones
[04:03] <tanki> they're the most likely to snap at any moment
[04:03] <Seveas> :)
[04:03] <mumbles> this one is nice and active..
[04:03] <mumbles> and good help from evyeone
[04:03] <tanki> a penguin is nice but imagine it charging at you at 50mph
[04:03] <Garrison> qt2: here: http://www.a-yu.com/pub/boot.jpg
[04:03] <ashok> can somebody help me
[04:04] <Garrison> ashok: if we can.
[04:04] <ashok> i am unable to open movie files
[04:04] <Seveas> ashok: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[04:04] <Garrison> ashok: what type of movie?
[04:04] <delire> ashok: you need the w32codecs
[04:04] <zeenix> Seveas, just `sudo passwd` did the trick
[04:04] <tanki> ashok, what are you using to open them
[04:04] <Garrison> ashok: sudo apt-get install xine
[04:04] <ashok> i am using totem
[04:05] <Garrison> ashok: or gxine
[04:05] <ashok> its .dat files
[04:05] <mumbles> just found out why my room smelt so bad
[04:05] <Garrison> ashok: ... an imcompleted Kazaa (or of that type) download?
[04:05] <qt2> you were in it? :o
[04:05] <Seveas> mumbles, you have to take a shower..?
[04:05] <qt2> lol
[04:05] <tanki> mumbles, my cat sneezed when it sniffed my computer chair once
[04:05] <tanki> i took that as a sign
[04:06] <ashok> thanks for the tips guys, i will try xine
[04:06] <mumbles> no had a 1/4 full can of fullers london pride wedged between 2 folders
[04:06] <tanki> by the way, 3 hours until the space launch!
[04:06] <ashok> i have installed the w32codecs
[04:06] <Garrison> ashok: that wont be all you need, it's just a good player. Loads... Shit-loads better then totem
[04:06] <londonboi2k3> Afternoon guys
[04:06] <tanki> what's a fuller
[04:07] <mumbles> beer maker
[04:07] <ashok> oki, so xine should do the trick ?
[04:07] <mumbles> forog tohow to spell it
[04:07] <reka> there's a few brits in here today
[04:07] <Garrison> ashok: do you have multi-verse in your rep. list?
[04:07] <mumbles> yeh but onley one with realy badd typos and spelling
[04:07] <tanki> ashok, if you have the w32codecs installed, then xine or mplayer or any capable linux video player should play them
[04:08] <haven_> Was wondering if anybody can offer help with interuser mail
[04:08] <ashok> garrison, sorry , wats multi-verse ?
[04:08] <mumbles> unless your sound isent reconlised buy ubuntu yet
[04:08] <londonboi2k3> Apt is just upgrading to Breezy, doing this by ssh from work, hope nothing breaks too much :)
[04:08] <delire> ashok: they are not innately included as they are proprietary, non-free software
[04:08] <tanki> ashok, just make sure what you're trying to play is a video fil eheh
[04:08] <ashok> and wats rep list ?
[04:08] <Seveas> londonboi2k3, X will break
[04:08] <osity> raid 1 setup help please
[04:08] <Seveas> londonboi2k3, X is massively broken right now
[04:08] <mumbles> opss :p
[04:08] <el_kato> is there a program like "netlimiter" for linux?
[04:08] <ashok> yes, its video file.. i am able to play it in windows
[04:08] <londonboi2k3> hmm, really, any way round that?
[04:09] <delire> londonboi2k3: usually an upgrade to openssh-server will restart sshd, but this barely leaves you without a connection. x may break though.
[04:09] <Seveas> londonboi2k3, yes :)
[04:09] <tanki> would i be beat up if i say ubuntu is cooler than debian?
[04:09] <pepsix> X always breaks when you install breezy
[04:09] <Seveas> don't use breezy :)
[04:09] <delire> s/barely/rarely
[04:09] <qt2> Garrison, only happens on bootup?
[04:09] <pepsix> its fun
[04:09] <reka> tanki: not in here.
[04:09] <acid2> www.mplayerhq.hu
[04:09] <reka> tanki: #debian on the other hand :)
[04:09] <Garrison> qt2: it's always in the actual console
[04:09] <acid2> Garrison, its all there
[04:09] <londonboi2k3> lol, well it will be fun, i need to reinstall that pc anyway, so just want to see what happens :)
[04:09] <tanki> reka, i was hunting for linux related posters to decorate my computer room and i found some funny ones
[04:09] <ashok> garrison, i did install w32codecs
[04:10] <acid2> ashok, put them in the right place?
[04:10] <qt2> Garrison, i was thinking it might be linuxlogo but...
[04:10] <tanki> reka, http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/debian.jpg
[04:10] <Eko> none of the vga options change anything, how do i change the buffers?
[04:11] <blmartin777> how do I change the theme for root?
[04:11] <tanki> http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/ubuntu.jpg
[04:11] <blmartin777> in gnome
[04:11] <Seveas> Eko, the vga options only change the conxoles...
[04:11] <gluon> any suggestions for a movie player, other than totem and/or vlc?
[04:11] <Seveas> consoles...
[04:11] <Seveas> and only when rebooting
[04:11] <zeenix> thanks guys
[04:11] <tanki> gluon, mplayer and xine come to mine
[04:11] <qt2> Garrison, are you using a framebuffer console?
[04:11] <tanki> s/mine/mind
[04:11] <Eko> hmm
[04:11] <haven_> anybody help with interuser mail?
[04:11] <gluon> tanki, mplayer is great but i'd like to have a gtk2 frontend
[04:12] <tanki> hmm i dont know about gtk2 but i think xine has gxine
[04:12] <qt2> gluon, i thought there was a gtk frontend written for mplayer...
[04:12] <tanki> might be a gtk+ frontend tho
[04:13] <gluon> koke, i'll check those out... thank you both
[04:13] <tanki> http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/slackware.jpg haha
[04:13] <tanki> so funny, so true
[04:13] <delire> gluon: gmplayer
[04:14] <delire> gluon: if compiling: './configure --enable-gui'
[04:14] <mirak> Seveas lol thanks, what a surprise
[04:14] <tanki> reka, well in general if you measure a distro based on the people in the channel, i think ubuntu beats out debian
[04:15] <Garrison> qt2: brb, I'm going to see if it did anything.
[04:15] <hmrocha> Hello
[04:15] <reka> tanki: hehe.  you shouldn't always trust majority numbers
[04:15] <delire> tanki: you can't measure a distro's popularity based on users in an IRC channel, or distrowatch.org.
[04:15] <hmrocha> I'd like to ssh to a machine without being asked for a password
[04:15] <reka> tanki: look how many people are using windows. :)
[04:16] <luzbelito> hi i cant burn dvd with k3b cd kreator. pls help. it says unknow error 255, looking in web and no solution yet.,
[04:16] <Seveas> hmrocha, use ssh keys, ssh-agent and ssh-add
[04:16] <delire> tanki: have you looked at #windows? ;)
[04:16] <hmrocha> I executed the ssh-keygen -t rsa on this computer
[04:16] <tanki> delire, yeah but i'm more likely to try ubuntu than debian because i feel like i'm being embraced here, on a technical and spiritual level
[04:16] <Seveas> or (shiver) passwordless ssh keys
[04:16] <delire> tanki: you're not wrong there. ubuntu has a better community of users, yes.
[04:16] <tanki> it needs more blondes tho
[04:17] <tanki> you can never have enough blondes.. i suggest we try to recruit airline stewartesses
[04:17] <qt2> tanki, err... theres over 250 more people in #debian than here...
[04:17] <hmrocha> Seveas, i've connected to the machine i want and inserted my public key into authorized_keys
[04:17] <tanki> we'll get them hooked on linux's wifi support
[04:17] <luzbelito> anyone can helo me to burn dvd?
[04:17] <qt2> tanki, and either way... #gentoo beats them both. ;)
[04:18] <tanki> i haven't been in their channel
[04:18] <qt2> luzbelito, get k3b from synaptic.
[04:18] <cemil> anyone, who has AMD64bit Ubuntu?
[04:18] <qt2> Garrison, see if what did anything...? <.<;
[04:18] <Poromies> cemil: yes o/
[04:18] <Eko> can anyone help me, all i see is coloured squares on the login screen and even when i try to access the console its just shows grey squares??
[04:18] <tanki> Poromies, do you have the fx-51 amd chip
[04:18] <Garrison> qt2: that was a no go: passed an undefined mode number, press <enter> for a list, or press space to continue
[04:19] <Poromies> no, i have Turion
[04:19] <Garrison> I tried the vga= line, but it didn't do anything.
[04:19] <reka> delire: #windows: population 8
[04:19] <Poromies> its that new mobile model
[04:19] <qt2> Garrison, ...err... who told you to try that? :P
[04:19] <reka> :)
[04:19] <tanki> Poromies, oh no it's one of the first amd 64bit chips to come out.. desktop
[04:19] <reka> delire: thought there would be more people with problems in there...
[04:19] <Garrison> qt2: I did: vga=0x164
[04:19] <xbalanque> hi all, I wanted to have gnome load an .Xmodmap file during initialization of the session, do you know of a way to do this ? I remembered it opened a dialog window asking that once, but I was not able to access that window again :(
[04:19] <smite> hi - what's a quick way to tell if a linux box has usb 1.1 or 2.0?
[04:20] <reka> qt2: i did
[04:20] <qt2> reka, ahhh.. :P
[04:20] <reka> qt2: he wanted to "change the font"
[04:20] <reka> qt2: i thought that was what he wanted.
[04:20] <tanki> smite, i dont know but you can check the logs, in /var/log/
[04:20] <tanki> maybe it's there
[04:20] <qt2> reka, err... he wants to remove an image from the console.... :o
[04:21] <qt2> Garrison, are you using a framebuffer console?
[04:21] <Garrison> qt2, reka: That is what I want. But it's being all bitchy about it. I'll suffer without my little penguin for now, I just hate that 300x200 font
[04:21] <smite> tanki: ok... hm or maybe dmesg
[04:21] <Garrison> qt2: how do I tell?
[04:21] <reka> qt2: err..looks like he wants to fix his font first
[04:21] <tanki> dmesg is nice but it's only a small buffer, so your usb stuff might have already been scrolled out
[04:21] <qt2> reka, ah... XD
[04:21] <tanki> so it's better to check the written ones, i think dmesg even has its own log
[04:21] <smite> tanki: what log file should i check?
[04:22] <qt2> reka, sorry, all i saw him mention was the penguin... :P
[04:22] <reka> qt2: he's using ctrl+alt+f1 to get into console iirc
[04:22] <osity> software raid help needed!@
[04:22] <smite> none of them look particularly relevant
[04:22] <tanki> smite, offhand i'd say whichever log syslogd sends kernel.* priority messages too
[04:22] <reka> qt2: is that a framebuffer console?
[04:22] <Garrison> reka: it's the console used when booting.
[04:22] <reka> Garrison: oh, so you disabled gdm?
[04:22] <tanki> smite, basically what gets sent to /var/log is whatever is listed in /etc/syslog.conf
[04:22] <Garrison> reka: before gdm is loaded, when its mounting, when it's initializing modules, etc.
[04:23] <Garrison> reka: there's a way you can set that font by appending vga=0x*** to the kernel line in boot.lst
[04:23] <tanki> i'm just guessing about kernel though, i'm not sure what usb would be catagorized under, maybe daemon too
[04:23] <reka> Garrison: yeah...changing the vga mode should affect the text you see at that time
[04:23] <reka> Garathor: so that didn't work?
[04:23] <smite> /var/log/messages
[04:23] <delire> reka: hehe windows has no community. 100's of 1000's of people right now with problems, none of which will be heard.
[04:24] <reka> delire: i'm guesing most of them don't know what IRC is anyway.
[04:24] <Fumoffu> bonjour :)
[04:24] <delire> reka: similarly when various surveys are done on the relative security of linux vs windows, the number of known bugs are counted. m$ does not publish their bugs/vulnerabilities unless absolutely necessary. hence linux appears to be less secure at a cursory count. we all know that's not true albeit.
[04:24] <tanki> yeah but i wouldn't be critical of those people either
[04:24] <Garrison> reka: my NFORCE PROBLEM FIXED ITSELF!! WOOHOOO!!!
[04:25] <haven_> Can anyone help with telling GDM to drop to the console?
[04:25] <tanki> afterall, does your mom know how to re-build her automobile's engine?
[04:25] <tanki> does that make her stupid
[04:25] <reka> Garrison: sound fixed?  i thought you were doing fonts now. :)
[04:25] <Garrison> reka: that's just it, I was screwing with fonts, rebooted, then that nvidia shit dissapeared.
[04:25] <reka> Garrison: heh
[04:25] <dylan_> is there any type of software that will enlarge the size of a file?
[04:25] <tanki> believe it or not there are people out there that just want their computer to perform task A and task B and aren't concerned about the technical side of it
[04:26] <sJaM> enlarge the size of a file ?
[04:26] <Discipulus> What up PEOPLE?
[04:26] <tanki> until something goes wrong.. in which case they offer a caffeinated beverage to their company's computer guy or geeky friend to fix it
[04:26] <delire> dylan_: hehe just write a whole bunch of 0's in there.
[04:26] <reka> Garrison: i'd still be wondering wtf happened though :)
[04:26] <haven_> Can anyone help with telling GDM to drop to the console?
[04:26] <mumbles> (tanki) believe it or not there are people out there that just want their computer to perform task A and task B and aren't concerned about the technical side of it --- wtf thats what makes it fun
[04:27] <sJaM> for what purpose you want to have it enlarged ?
[04:27] <Garrison> reka: Ubuntu has taught me not to dwell on details.
[04:27] <sJaM> dylan_,  for what purpose you want to have it enlarged ?
[04:27] <Garrison> reka: "dont ask, dont tell, just accept and be happy"
[04:28] <luzbelito> qt2: i get k3b, installed it but it can't burn dvd: returns error 225 and stops
[04:28] <reka> Garrison: so you're a "bash the tv on the side" type of person? :D
[04:28] <Garrison> reka: I've kicked a $2000 machine out the 2nd floor window because Windows wouldn't enable directdraw.
[04:29] <Discipulus> Garrison, heh
[04:29] <sJaM> ?
[04:29] <reka> Garrison: i'm a "f*** it, reinstall time" person unfortunately. :)
[04:29] <Discipulus> Garrison, you paid for it?
[04:29] <londonboi2k3> guys, just a question, I have created a dyndns script to update my ip address, how where do i need to put it to load on reboot, say as the last thing before X to start?
[04:29] <Garrison> All: Yeah, but I made a better system.
[04:29] <hondje> I love expensing
[04:29] <Garrison> Then went LuBix
[04:29] <Discipulus> heh
[04:29] <tanki> mumbles, all i know is i had a humble experience when i ran into an automechanic friend of mine and he started talking shop with me.. i was so lost
[04:29] <tanki> but he was just as lost when i talk computers
[04:29] <delire> londonboi2k3: use /etc/init.d and then update-rc.d (read manpages about the latter)
[04:30] <londonboi2k3> dellire: Thanks :)
[04:30] <weiers> Hi... I know I should have done it the other way around, but I was perhaps overzealous and used the occasion of replacing a broken harddrive to clear my computer of any semblance of Windows and to only install Ubuntu. Now my wife dearest is beginning to rebel. She does not have the energy to learn new ways of doing things and I realise I need to reinstall windows. How do I now create an open partition that I can use to install windows?
[04:30] <delire> londonboi2k3: np
[04:30] <hmrocha> Seveas, each time I open a terminal window and ssh to the remote machine, it asks me for a passphrase
[04:30] <hmrocha> Seveas, can I set it forever?
[04:30] <mumbles> tanki yeh... then you relises that people know more about there subject thatn you do
[04:30] <tanki> then it occured to me, maybe how i felt around him with cars is how a lot of people feel around us when it comes to computers
[04:30] <delire> hmrocha: yes, use ssh keys
[04:30] <sJaM> a new hard drive weiers
[04:30] <Seveas> hmrocha, probably the passphrase for your ssh key
[04:30] <Garrison> reka: 1) bash  2) kick  3) turn upside down  4) buy propane + nozzle + lighter
[04:30] <randykay> Morning all.
[04:30] <sJaM> saving mbr
[04:30] <sJaM> create a grub floppy
[04:30] <Seveas> hmrocha, you can use ssh-agent, then you will have to typw it once per boot
[04:30] <sJaM> that will do
[04:30] <tanki> and it doesn't mean they're more or less intelligent than us, it's just a matter of application..
[04:31] <hmrocha> I have used ssh-agent
[04:31] <osity> does anyone in here know saftware raid?
[04:31] <reka> Garrison: are you a parent? :)
[04:31] <mumbles> tanki yeh
[04:31] <tanki> i'm sure if i put my mind to it, i can read up and learn about automobiles and stuff, but i'm just happy with having one take me from point a to point b..
[04:31] <randykay> Is there a way to set the printer fonts in Evolution.  Mine are way too big.
[04:31] <delire> hmrocha: 'ssh-agent bash; ssh-add' is the way to go
[04:31] <mumbles> my pushbike works
[04:31] <qt2> http://sa-store.com/shop.php?category_id=4 <- ...someone explain that to me?
[04:31] <mumbles> thats all i care about...
[04:31] <Garrison> reka: nope, I'm 21, married, have 2 cats, a dog, and a nice ass street-racer
[04:31] <mumbles> sometimes i oil the chain but thats about it
[04:31] <tanki> yeah
[04:32] <weiers> sJaM, do I understand you right that I need to buy a second harddrive? Can I not resize my /home partition
[04:32] <tanki> the downside is that if something goes wrong, we have to take it in to a shop to get them to fix it
[04:32] <reka> Garrison: was gonna say...wouldn't want to get in trouble if i was your kid with that method :)
[04:32] <HostingGeek> from our friend a GNOME developer
 mjg59: I think they should sell advertising on the Ubuntu installer
[04:32] <sJaM> well you could do that also weiers
[04:32] <phyrster> gkrellm has a mail check function, and I use mutt to read my mail, but how can I launch mutt without lauching a console first??
[04:32] <sJaM> but you have to have a rescue floppy
[04:32] <tanki> and another downside is we can't modify or custimize our cars like the pro's do
[04:32] <HostingGeek> More money for ubuntu == better stuff in debian
[04:32] <sJaM> since windows replaces the mbr
[04:32] <hmrocha> Seveas, "identity added..."
[04:32] <delire> HostingGeek: that is clearly a joke.
[04:32] <HostingGeek> :D
[04:32] <reka> weiers: you can probably resize the ubuntu partition to make some free space
[04:32] <tanki> it's just a balancing scale
[04:32] <glyph> phyrster: xterm -e mutt
[04:32] <tanki> but that doesn't make us stupid
[04:32] <HostingGeek> delire: no its not
[04:32] <Garrison> reka: nah, as Denis Leary says "I dont have to beat them, I find waving the gun around pretty much gets the same job done"
[04:32] <rg58sma> hiiiiiii
[04:33] <weiers> Sjam (REKA) how do I resize the partition?
[04:33] <rg58sma> someone give a hang with samba and windows me
[04:33] <hmrocha> Seveas, i'm logged in without a password, now I'll try closing the gnome-terminal and opening it again
[04:33] <glyph> when is breezy going to be ready for user testing? :)
[04:33] <reka> weiers: after installing windows, you'll need to restore grub to be able to boot back into ubuntu.
[04:33] <tanki> i'll be honest, everytime i take my car to a mechanic i bring a candle and pray in the waiting room hoping they dont rip me off
[04:33] <ubuntu> -server irc.foreverchat.net
[04:33] <HostingGeek> delire: ubuntu could make about $1m... and I prooved it to #gnome just before
[04:33] <delire> HostingGeek: the installer is a once read ad then. why not a bootsplash ad? anyway, he's joking.
[04:33] <ubuntu> -server irc.foreverchat.net
[04:33] <sJaM> the eaiset way is I think
[04:33] <sJaM> tar everything to a other hdd
[04:33] <sJaM> on network
[04:33] <sJaM> repartition with fdisk,cfdisk
[04:33] <sJaM> and put it back
[04:34] <hmrocha> Seveas, it still asks me for the passphrase
[04:34] <reka> sJaM: what about gparted?
[04:34] <rg58sma> hii
[04:34] <rg58sma> help with samba
[04:34] <ccc> anyone good with hardware? i have some questions on connecting both ata/s-ata devices in ubuntu...
[04:34] <phyrster> glyph: thanks
[04:34] <Seveas> hmrocha, you need to start ssh-agent from the gnome startup
[04:34] <rasputnik> tanki: but you don't call the car stupid because you were too lazy too learn how the engine works
[04:34] <adwait> hey pplcan someone tell me, what's a "reputation" on ubuntuforums?
[04:34] <pepsi> wee.. i upgraded my breezy install cause i didnt believe all this talk of X being "broken"
[04:34] <Seveas> hmrocha, and run ssh-add once in a terminal
[04:34] <phyrster> anyone uses fetchmail as a demon in /etc/init.d?
[04:34] <Garrison> reka: I'm having a small problem; No volume control on my box, is in control of my fiber-optic S/PDIF out.. :-/
[04:34] <pepsi> :)
[04:34] <delire> Seveas: i wasn't aware gnome provided this feature. very nice.
[04:34] <Scroopy> can anyone here help me out with a wireless issue/
[04:34] <Seveas> adwait, some crap implemeted by them
[04:34] <pepsi> its broken alright :D
[04:34] <weiers> reka: I tried qparted, but It is not as user friendly as partition magic and I don't really know how to work it. Perhaps it is just best to back-up the data and then install windows, and re-install ubuntu afterwards.
[04:35] <hmrocha> Seveas, run ssh-add in .bashrc?
[04:35] <adwait> seveas: hmm.......
[04:35] <phyrster> how the hell does fetchmail know where to put retrieved mail?
[04:35] <tanki> rasputnik, oh hell yes i do :)
[04:35] <nightswim> it sends them to user@localhost
[04:35] <nightswim> at least
[04:35] <tanki> i verbally abuse my automobile
[04:35] <nightswim> that's what it does here
[04:35] <nightswim> phyrster
[04:35] <Seveas> hmrocha, no
[04:35] <reka> weiers: that's what i've always done. :)
[04:35] <Nermal> rg58sma, #samba ?
[04:35] <Seveas> hmrocha, run it manually
[04:35] <sJaM> I don't know gparted reka
[04:35] <rg58sma> ok thnks
[04:35] <delire> hmrocha: FYI i 'ssh-agent bash; ssh-add', that enables a single terminal session.
[04:35] <Garrison> tanki: i sexually abuse my automobile... >:)
[04:35] <Scroopy> can anyone help the noobalishis Scroopy, if so please PM me, its about a wireless network card
[04:35] <reka> weiers: if you're happy to do that....
[04:36] <phyrster> I put fetchmailrc to /etc/ and uses a demon to get mail for user 'me', but I can't get anymail deliverd to my mailbox.
[04:36] <Nermal> pepsi, modules are now in a different package
[04:36] <phyrster> mikl: what?
[04:36] <weiers> I'm not entirely happy, but I am not sure if I have the network resources to tar my files onto another drive.
[04:36] <tanki> i swear, if my car was a teenager i'd mock it so bad that it would develope an eating disorder
[04:36] <hmrocha> delire, but if I always have to enter the passphrase, what's the difference if I have to enter the remote password or not?
[04:36] <phyrster> nightswim: what..
[04:36] <Seveas> tanki, Garrison keep it on topic please...
[04:36] <phyrster> mikl: sorry typo
[04:36] <reka> weiers: yeah, i haven't used another method really, so i can't really recommend anything.
[04:36] <Nermal> weiers, just use gparted as suggested
[04:36] <delire> hmrocha: the point is to enter it once per session, not every time you need to connect to the host.
[04:36] <Garrison> tanki: lmao... i'll kick it when it does bad, and rub the dash slowly with a somewhat disturbing manner when it wins a race. :-D
[04:37] <Garrison> Seveas; sorry, that will be the last (from me anyway)
[04:37] <Seveas> tnx
[04:37] <phyrster> nightswim: but when I put fetchmail in ~ it sends to my mutt box.
[04:37] <pepsi> Nermal: ok :)
[04:37] <hmrocha> delire, i should always leave a terminal open right?
[04:37] <phyrster> nightswim: without configuration of whereabout of mailbox>..
[04:37] <delire> hmrocha: eg if your computer had 2 years of uptime, and you didn't kill the terminal (the designated ssh-agent) then you would never need to type the passphrase for that time.
[04:37] <reka> Garrison: fibre-optic....that's network related right?  i've got no clue bout networking i'm afraid
[04:37] <Garrison> reka: fibre-optic is also used for audio... (has been for a few years)
[04:37] <Seveas> hmrocha, of you run ssh-agent from the gnome starup stuff the agent will be session-wide
[04:37] <Nermal> pepsi, forgotten the package name though :|
[04:37] <delire> hmrocha: well not if anyone else has physical access to the machine, no. that would be a risk
[04:38] <Seveas> hmrocha, that means you should use ssh-add only once
[04:38] <Nermal> pepsi, aptitude search xorg |grep modules
[04:38] <Nermal> I guess
[04:38] <Seveas> and for that session no more
[04:38] <sJaM> weiers, you don't have to reinstall ubuntu
[04:38] <reka> Garrison: forgive me...i'm still using dialup....:)
[04:38] <hmrocha> Seveas, ok, i'll try using ssh-agent in gnome startup
[04:38] <Garrison> reka: Ouch...
[04:38] <delire> hmrocha: Seveas's suggestion sounds more enticing than my per terminal client system here. i would look into this.
[04:38] <sJaM> just reinstall grub
[04:38] <Seveas> delire, I use it this exact way :)
[04:38] <rasputnik> hmrocha: you reuse the RSA key on multiple machines, but only have to enter the passphrase once
[04:38] <Seveas> delire, enter password once and go :)
[04:38] <hmrocha> Startup programs - Add - ssh-agent ?
[04:38] <Scroopy> can anyone help?????
[04:39] <Seveas> hmrocha, yes
[04:39] <Garrison> reka: 9Mbit down, 1.5Mbit up (or whatever 1MB/s down, and 100KB/s up is)
[04:39] <phyrster> even I configured in fetchmailrc 'user x there is user y here' it still does not deliver mail......
[04:39] <sJaM> ssh-agent is already started with x
[04:39] <Scroopy> kinda wanna fix b4 i pass out cos i so tired
[04:39] <hondje> ssh-agent is nice
[04:39] <mumbles> right
[04:39] <Seveas> sJaM, is that so..?
[04:39] <weiers> SJaM (By the way... how do you get your responses to me to be a different colour?) how do I not reinstall ubuntu? I am sorry for asking the ignorant questions. I am learning quickly, but not too quick.
[04:39] <mumbles> go tto finish tideying my room or i will probally be kicked out
[04:39] <Seveas> weiers, boo
[04:39] <hmrocha> I'll try logging out and in again, brb
[04:39] <delire> Seveas: very nice..
[04:39] <Seveas> weiers, this has a different color too :)
[04:39] <adwait> weiers: anytime anyone mentions ur name in a sentence, it appears to u in a different colour :)
[04:39] <Scroopy> is ther eno brave soul to tackle the problems of a 19 yo linux noob?
[04:40] <weiers> Thanks Seveas and adwait now I know.
[04:40] <adwait> Scroopy: problems like.......
[04:40] <rasputnik> Scroopy: say what they are firstn
[04:40] <reka> weiers: colour settings are local to your IRC client.  when people put your name in their message, it'll be higlighted for you.
[04:40] <Seveas> Scroopy, just state the problems...
[04:40] <rasputnik> s/n//
[04:40] <sJaM> yep Seveas
[04:40] <Scroopy> ok, put simply, i have a Belkin PCI Wireless car dinstalle din my PC
[04:40] <sJaM> just do a ps aux | grep ssh-agent
[04:40] <Scroopy> how do i get it to work on Ubuntu
[04:40] <adwait> reka: :D
[04:41] <Seveas> sJaM, hmm
[04:41] <reka> adwait: i've shaken my fist at you before haven't i? :)
[04:41] <adwait> Scroopy: hv u installed drivers for it?
[04:41] <drummer87> hi all, i need help.. i have a panel that's stuck
[04:41] <Scroopy> no, i am unaware as to where to get them
[04:41] <weiers> :-) sorry for the distraction reka adwait Seveas
[04:41] <cmatheson> drummer87: what do you mean "stuck"?
[04:41] <adwait> reka: yup.......hence the :D at "reka is slow again, as usual :D"
[04:41] <adwait> weiers:  :)
[04:41] <Seveas> Scroopy, what does lspci say?
[04:42] <Seveas> Scroopy, paste the output of it on a pastebin
[04:42] <pepsi> Nermal:
[04:42] <drummer87> i changed the orientation in panel properties and it's now stuck in the middle of my desktop and i can't drag it anywhere
[04:42] <delire> drummer87: 'killall gnome-panel && gnome-panel' for a temporary fix (perhaps - no gnome here)
[04:42] <reka> weiers: no need to apologise
[04:42] <pepsi> Nermal: grepping for drivers and input is more interesting :)
[04:42] <drummer87> killall gnome-panel didn't help when i tried it
[04:43] <delire> drummer87: 'ps ax | grep panel' and then kill -9 <processnumber>
[04:43] <drummer87> ooh.. now it did
[04:43] <delire> drummer87: ok
[04:43] <drummer87> strange
[04:43] <hmrocha> Seveas, didn't work
[04:43] <drummer87> didn't work the first time i did killall
[04:43] <drummer87> thanks anyway
[04:43] <hmrocha> I tried adding the command "ssh-agent"
[04:43] <hmrocha> and "ssh-agent bash"
[04:44] <weiers> OK -- new question (I'll go and play with qparted again) ... Printing problems with CUPS over network. My computer is connected to the same network as my wife's computer. I have a Laserjet set up on my computer. We both run Ubuntu and I think CUPS is enabled. My wife's computer is set up to see my printer on my IP address, but when I print, the file spools, but my printer is never activated? What am I doing wrong.
[04:44] <hmrocha> Seveas, do i have to add the command "ssh-agent bash; ssh-add" ?
[04:44] <Seveas> hmrocha, my mistake
[04:44] <Seveas> you don't need to add ssh-agent to the gnome startup
[04:44] <Seveas> you just need to run ssh-add from a terminal (not in .bashrc)
[04:44] <Nermal> pepsi, oops
[04:45] <delire> drummer87: 'for i in $(ps -C programname -o pid=); do kill -9 $i; done' can often be good for processes with several dependent process threads. be careful though ;)
[04:45] <hmrocha> Seveas, but if I run ssh-add from a terminal, if i close the terminal and open another one, i have to run ssh-add again.
[04:45] <ashok> guys, pls suggest a gud download manager
[04:45] <hmrocha> The simple solution is always have a terminal open.
[04:45] <Nermal> xdownload ?
[04:45] <sJaM> wget ashok
[04:45] <Seveas> hmrocha, try ssh-add, close terminal, open terminal ssh-add -l
[04:45] <Nermal> ashok, please type properly
[04:45] <Seveas> what does that ssh-add -l say?
[04:45] <delire> hmrocha: this is why Seveas suggests using the gnome feature which makes the whole gnome session an 'ssh-agent'
[04:46] <Nermal> wget rocks :)
[04:46] <sJaM> hmrocha, don't you get a default ssh-agent if you log in
[04:46] <Seveas> delire, that was a mistake from me
[04:46] <Seveas> delire, the X startup scripts already do that
[04:46] <delire> Seveas: ahah, ok.
[04:46] <ashok> can i resume downloads in wget ?
[04:46] <hmrocha> Seveas, 1024..... /home/.... (RSA)
[04:46] <sJaM> yes
[04:47] <Seveas> hmrocha, if you did not restart X yet you might have a lot of agents lingering around, try killall ssh-agent and logout+login
[04:47] <Nermal> ashok, yah.. with -C
[04:47] <sJaM> ashok, just do wget -c
[04:47] <delire> ashok: use 'wget -c http://site.com/file' first
[04:47] <Nermal> ah.. lowercase c
[04:47] <Seveas> gwget is nice too
[04:47] <hmrocha> Seveas, ok, i'll try that
[04:47] <ashok> thanks guys, i will try wget now
[04:48] <Nermal> http://dmextension.mozdev.org/
[04:48] <Nermal> is a plugin to enhance the firefox download manager
[04:48] <adwait> ashok: if u want, u can download downloader for x, which is a nice GUI download manager
[04:48] <Nermal> argh.. textspeak!
[04:49] <ccc> i have some trouble connecting a s-ata device in ubuntu... anyone available to help out? i have some more or less odd questions. =)
[04:49] <phyrster> when I select some texts with mouse, I can ues middle click to paste them, but
[04:49] <adwait> Nermal: who me?
[04:49] <Seveas> ccc, just ask :)
[04:49] <phyrster> can is there a a shortcut for keyboard? that equals to middle click?
[04:49] <Nermal> shift-insert ?
[04:49] <sJaM> both at ones Seveas, left and right click
[04:50] <phyrster> Nermal: shift-insert pastes the previous selection sometimes
[04:50] <Seveas> sJaM..?
[04:50] <phyrster> Nermal: I am using kde
[04:50] <hmrocha> Seveas, i have killed all the ssh-agents (3 of them)
[04:50] <hmrocha> logged out and in again
[04:50] <Seveas> hmrocha, good
[04:50] <Seveas> now try ssh-add -l
[04:50] <hmrocha> I'll now open a terminal and run ssh-add
[04:50] <hmrocha> ok
[04:50] <ashok> where can i find softwares and updates for linux
[04:50] <hmrocha> The agent has no identities.
[04:50] <Seveas> hmrocha, good!
[04:51] <Leo_V2> hi guys!
[04:51] <Seveas> now try ssh-add once
[04:51] <Nermal> ashok, apt
[04:51] <Nermal> the web
[04:51] <Nermal> look around
[04:51] <hmrocha> Seveas, identity added...
[04:51] <Nermal> freshmeat.net / gnomefiles.org
[04:51] <Seveas> hmrocha, now close terminal and in a new one type ssh-add -l
[04:51] <Leo_V2> how can i update the firefox in the live cd?
[04:51] <Nermal> Leo_V2, erm.. you can't ?
[04:51] <adwait> ashok: apt-get, u can get any software with that (almost) and u can update ur syten with apt-get upgrade
[04:51] <Seveas> Leo_V2, updates on the liveCD are lost when you reboot
[04:51] <Nermal> adwait, yes you
[04:52] <Nermal> and others
[04:52] <Leo_V2> then..
[04:52] <hmrocha> Seveas, 1024.../home...(RSA) :)
[04:52] <ashok> thanks adwait
[04:52] <Seveas> adwait, please try to spell properly...
[04:52] <Leo_V2> possible for hack or anything?
[04:52] <ccc> Seveas: my motherboard has both ata- and s-ata-connectors, and i have 5 ata devices (4 hds and 1 dvdburner), and i just got me a ata->s-ata converter. however, my bios only lists 4 devices... and um, in ubuntu the device manager has an entry called "via vt6420 sata raid controller", with a "scsi host interface" as a sub-category. any ideas? maybe this is more of a hardware issue than an ubuntu issue...
[04:52] <Seveas> hmrocha, and now try ssh to the host
[04:52] <Nermal> Leo_V2, well.. yes.. but all changes are lost anyway
[04:52] <ccc> the dvdburner is now on the s-ata controller with the converter...
[04:52] <adwait> Seveas: well........its just shorted that way, be thankful I haven't dropped any vowels ;)
[04:52] <hmrocha> Seveas, you're the king, thanks very very much
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> ccc: don't do that
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> ccc: use a drive
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> ccc: the burner won't work
[04:53] <rdamato> Hey folks!
[04:53] <adwait> Seveas: just think.......u would just be svs
[04:53] <Leo_V2> oh ya
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> simple as that :)
[04:53] <Seveas> adwait, shortened, obnoxious and sometimes hard to understand....
[04:53] <Leo_V2> why is the whole interface off the screen slightly?
[04:53] <Seveas> ccc, hmm, sata/pata converters.... never had any experience with those...
[04:53] <ccc> HrdwrBoB: ok... but it should still find it, shouldn't it?
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> ccc: no
[04:53] <Leo_V2> mine is a bit off the screen..
[04:53] <Nermal> adwait, you have over 100 keys in front of you.. use them :P
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> ccc: SATA1 only supports hard drives
[04:53] <Leo_V2> could it be a driver error?
[04:53] <ccc> HrdwrBoB: ah allright... thanks a lot.
[04:53] <Seveas> HrdwrBoB, ah
[04:53] <khurtiz2> i have a problem turning off ipv6 for firefox. Page http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713 suggests I do so by editing  /etc/modutils/aliases ... however that file does not exist!! am I missing something?
[04:53] <rdamato> Just a simple ??  If I have Ubuntu on my master IDE drive and bootable '98 on my slave, is there a way to make the boot loader hit the slave to load Windoze?
[04:54] <ccc> thanks guys.
[04:54] <Nermal> Leo_V2, well.. use the monitor controls :|
[04:54] <adwait> Nermal: hmm......maybe i should
[04:54] <Seveas> khurtiz2: Open firefox and go to about:config. Now search for network.dns.disableIPV6 and set that value to true. Restart Firefox to see the effect.
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> ccc: no problems :)
[04:54] <hmrocha> Seveas, working fine :)
[04:54] <Leo_V2> :\
[04:54] <hmrocha> Seveas, thanks for help, really.
[04:54] <Seveas> hmrocha, good :)
[04:54] <adwait> Nermal: lemme guess........you're an english prof/purist aren't you?
[04:54] <Nermal> no.. just a polite geek who spends a little time typing legible answers
[04:54] <Leo_V2> monitor controls only allow me to chainge resloustion
[04:54] <khurtiz2> thanks seveas :)
[04:55] <Leo_V2> :\
[04:55] <cyrille_> Hello !
[04:55] <Nermal> Leo_V2, oh.. erm... change the refresh rate then
[04:55] <Leo_V2> erm..
[04:55] <Leo_V2> the whole screen is off..
[04:55] <Nermal> system -> preferences
[04:55] <Nermal> yes
[04:55] <cyrille_> I'm looking for a dvdauthor front-end, any suggestions ?
[04:55] <Nermal> for the love of god
[04:55] <Leo_V2> X_X
[04:56] <adwait> Nermal: hey....textspeak IS legible....everyone has a cell phone right? anyway.....I am spelling properly see.....? (sheesh....even using the captilisation for the "I")
[04:56] <adwait> :d
[04:56] <Nermal> adwait, hush
[04:56] <Leo_V2> btw..
[04:56] <Leo_V2> possible to pop the live cd when ubantu is running?
[04:56] <hack_benjamin> anyone recommend any good file managers (like nautilus and rox but neither of these), and not gentoo either ;)
[04:56] <cmatheson> hack_benjamin: mc, if you really have to use one of those things
[04:57] <devios> hack_benjamin: what are you looking for that the others don't have
[04:57] <Leo_V2> possible to pop out the live cd after ubantu started?
[04:57] <Nermal> hack_benjamin, define "good"
[04:57] <delire> hack_benjamin: vifm is excellent
[04:57] <Leo_V2> i need to use my drive..
[04:57] <devios> hack_benjamin: midnight commander?
[04:57] <Nermal> Leo_V2, try it :)
[04:57] <Leo_V2> and the darn live cd in drive![
[04:58] <Leo_V2> stupid..
[04:58] <Leo_V2> *sigh8
[04:58] <Leo_V2> any one tired?
[04:58] <reka> Leo_V2: it's locked iirc
[04:58] <Nermal> Leo_V2, aye.. some people can be
[04:58] <hack_benjamin> cheers guys, im just trying some out (still prefer CLI atm)
[04:58] <Nermal> "allows you to run from the cd!" "I want to use a different cd!"
[04:58] <Seveas> Leo_V2, afaik you can't eject the livecd on a running system...
[04:58] <ivoks> is it only me, or ubuntu-lists have no posts?
[04:58] <Nermal> what do you people want, blood? the moon on a stick?
[04:58] <adwait> Leo_V2: i believe thr is a way to load the CD to RAM (provided u hv enuff......uuhh.....enough RAM)
[04:58] <Seveas> ivoks, now that you mention it...
[04:59] <Nermal> you're running the os off the cd.. the cd is needed to load the programs off that won't fit in memory..
[04:59] <Leo_V2> ic..
[04:59] <Nermal> and you want to take the fscking cd out?
[04:59] <Nermal> you could always install ubuntu!
[04:59] <Leo_V2> i need to load some data in the system..
[04:59] <Nermal> Leo_V2, tough
[04:59] <Leo_V2> i am hopeless hooked to winxp
[04:59] <Nermal> use other means
[04:59] <Leo_V2> X_X
[04:59] <Leo_V2> >.<
[04:59] <Nermal> usb stick or something
[04:59] <Leo_V2> i am really new to linux
[05:00] <Leo_V2> chose ubuntu for starting..
[05:00] <Nermal> its very simple
[05:00] <Nermal> very very simple
[05:00] <Leo_V2> >.<
[05:00] <Nermal> you are running the os from the cd.. therefor the cd needs to be in the computer
[05:00] <rdamato> It is in BSD at least....
[05:00] <Leo_V2> ic
[05:00] <Leo_V2> i can do that if i have 2 drive rite>
[05:01] <Nermal> Leo_V2, you could yes
[05:01] <rdamato> So when I have ubuntu installed I can simply choose to boot the MS IDE drive somehow?
[05:01] <khurtiz2> doze sux, i've been a micro$oft addict since dos 3.30, through fsking win 3.11, 98, 2k, xp ... i've seen the light now. I've gone cold turkey on Doze and am now running ubuntu. Anyone got any experience here with Kylix? I'm a long-time Delphi dev, so kylix kinda makes sense ... or does it???
[05:01] <Leo_V2> :\
[05:01] <Nermal> rdamato, sure :)
[05:01] <Nermal> you get a menu
[05:01] <Nermal> lets you chose ubuntu or windows
[05:01] <rdamato> In BSD I'm used to just typing "Windows" at the "boot:" prompt...
[05:01] <Nermal> choose*
[05:02] <jackobill> how do I apply a patch to file? what is the command to do that?
[05:02] <rdamato> Thank you Nermal!!!
[05:02] <Leo_V2> btw why did the live cd never ask me for a password for a root?
[05:02] <spamalope> patch?
[05:02] <cmatheson> khurtiz2: imho it's not the best choice... not many people are using it.  you may be better checking out another rad scripting language like ruby or python
[05:02] <pepsi> Nermal: got it :D    i had to replace `Driver "keyboard"` with `Driver "kbd"` in xorg.conf as well
[05:02] <Nermal> rdamato, you get a nice grub splash screen :)
[05:02] <Nermal> pepsi, rightho.. see .. this is why we need a seperate breezy channel
[05:02] <Nermal> that isn't a development channel :|
[05:02] <rdamato> I wanted to ask B4 I write over my 160GB with Ubuntu now that windoze has been offloaded to a slave!
[05:02] <pepsi> exactly
[05:03] <Leo_V2> >.<
[05:03] <khurtiz2> cmatheson but those are interpreted ... guess gcc++ is best for realtime dev? I'm doing streaming media ....
[05:03] <pepsi> #ubuntu-stupidusers
[05:03] <khurtiz2> #ubuntu-stupidusers
[05:03] <ivoks> :)
[05:04] <Nermal> pepsi, looking at some of the people here, I think that channel is aliased to #ubuntu
[05:04] <cmatheson> khurtiz2: oh, i didn't realize that delphi wasn't interpreted (i always thought it was similar to vb...), i guess it really boils down to if you're trying to distribute this to many people or not... if this is an in-house thing kylix might be great.  if you're trying to gain steam as an oss project though, g++ may be the better choice
[05:04] <Leo_V2> ubantu..
[05:04] <delire> khurtiz2 yes c++ is best, or look into using python and compiling c modules.
[05:04] <Leo_V2> kubantu got any screen?
[05:04] <Leo_V2> i can't find it on any webby..
[05:04] <Nermal> ?
[05:04] <pepsi> Nermal: aw
[05:04] <delire> khurtiz2: *.pyc, this gives some optomisation.
[05:04] <Nermal> Leo_V2, well.. it's kde
[05:05] <Leo_V2> i am totally new..
[05:05] <Nermal> kde.org
[05:05] <Nermal> look there
[05:05] <delire> Nermal: be patient.
[05:05] <Nermal> then look at apple.com/store
[05:05] <Nermal> delire, hush
[05:05] <Leo_V2> anyone use a mac OS?
[05:06] <delire> Nermal: with new users patience is often required.
[05:06] <khurtiz2> umm isn't this #ubuntu? not #os10 ? :)
[05:06] <Nermal> delire, I don't want users like that! I want them to stay on windows and macs!
[05:06] <poningru> I had a question what is the backported thing that shown on the ubuntuguide.org
[05:06] <poningru> in the repositories?
[05:06] <delire> Leo_V2: yes i have, i dislike OSX personally.
[05:06] <Nermal> gedditoff! gedditoff!
[05:06] <delire> Nermal: then you shouldn't be here
[05:06] <jackobill> how do I apply a patch to a file? what is the command to do that?
[05:06] <Nermal> hush
[05:06] <cmatheson> Nermal: you should really probably just /ignore rather than harass people to much though (but i know how you feel)
[05:06] <Chillout> hi folks, how does one register its nick?
[05:06] <Dorward> jackobill: "patch" :)
[05:06] <delire> Nermal: you're getting closer.
[05:07] <Nermal> I help people who aren't stupid :)
[05:07] <cmatheson> s/to/too
[05:07] <Leo_V2> jjjjj
[05:07] <Dorward> Chillout: msg nickserv help
[05:07] <khurtiz2> s/doze/ubuntu
[05:07] <Leo_V2> well..
[05:07] <Nermal> cmatheson, I guess
[05:07] <Leo_V2> at least mac os is like 10X betetr than winxp
[05:07] <pepsix> Chillout, /ns register <password>
[05:07] <Leo_V2> >.<
[05:07] <pepsix> Chillout, and /ns help
[05:08] <delire> Nermal: i have been helping people with Linux for close to 6 years in IRC, and this is advise i often need to take myself. it is not intended as an insult. Ubuntu seeks to be inclusive. your expressed attitude currently opposes that commitment.
[05:08] <rdamato> Leo_V2: I think MacOS rocks.  If I had a G5 I'd probably not be here!
[05:08] <Nermal> here we have someone who is "very new" and is holding down the j key while pasting illegible sideways japanese smilies to the channel
[05:08] <Nermal> rather than asking a specific question
[05:08] <Nermal> delire, I've been running #suse for 7. deal.
[05:08] <Chillout> ty ill try
[05:09] <delire> Nermal: no need to feel competitive. just relax or don't answer those that you cannot answer with patience.
[05:09] <rdamato> Leo_V2: At least a MacOS based on BSD does!
[05:09] <Leo_V2> yes
[05:09] <Leo_V2> >.<
[05:09] <Nermal> argh
[05:09] <khurtiz2> i thought osx was debian based?
[05:09] <delire> hehe no it's not
[05:09] <delire> far from it.
[05:09] <Leo_V2> it is unix based
[05:09] <khurtiz2> kk :)
[05:09] <delire> Leo_V2: albeit a little broken in that sense.
[05:10] <Nermal> phew
[05:10] <squinn> Hi, my firefox isn't opening,.
[05:10] <Nermal> squinn, more info
[05:10] <squinn> Nermal, I was typing it.
[05:10] <khurtiz2> first turn on pc
[05:10] <Nermal> squinn, and?
[05:10] <Nermal> lets bleed the problem out shall we?
[05:10] <squinn> The only real error I get is from gnome-vfs: (Gecko:6757): libgnomevfs-WARNING **: Cannot create pipe for GnomeVFSProcess initialization: Too many open files
[05:10] <squinn> Nermal, sorry, I type slow.
[05:10] <Nermal> :)
[05:10] <Nermal> eesh
[05:10] <Nermal> that doesn't look good
[05:11] <squinn> Epiphany doesn't seem to work either.
[05:11] <delire> time to go. hasta luego all.
[05:11] <squinn> I don't even use epiphany, just installed it to test.
[05:11] <Nermal> sounds like gnome-vfs has gone a bit icky
[05:11] <Nermal> is ps ax looking ok ?
[05:11] <supernix> I can't get none of the midi files I have to work
[05:11] <Scroopy> ok people, trying to install Belkin Drivers for my wireless PCI card
[05:11] <Nermal> Scroopy, ndiswrapper ?
[05:11] <Scroopy> any advise as WINE wont install the windows drivers
[05:11] <Scroopy> and i have ndiswrapper installed
[05:12] <dylan_> does anybody know a place that i can get good linux wallpaper?
[05:12] <squinn> ps ax?
[05:12] <Nermal> yeah
[05:12] <Nermal> any runaway processes ?
[05:12] <SDFH_Linux> www.kdelook.org
[05:12] <cmatheson> dylan_: art.gnome.org?
[05:12] <dylan_> thanks
[05:12] <Scroopy> im a noob to linux so i wouldnt know
[05:12] <Nermal> o
[05:12] <Scroopy> lspci detects the card is there
[05:12] <khurtiz2> anyone got any exp developing mp4 streaming apps? please join new chan #mp4stream, I don't wanna load down #ubuntu with my stooopid questions ... ty :)
[05:12] <Nermal> dylan_, linuxart.com ?
[05:12] <squinn> Oh right.
[05:13] <squinn> Looks pretty normal, Nermal.
[05:13] <gm78> Scroopy, post the output of lspci that is relevant to the card
[05:13] <dylan_> thanks for the art sites, guys
[05:13] <Scroopy> 0000:03:02.0 Network controller: RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card (rev 01)
[05:14] <gm78> Scroopy, if u google for that chipset, it will tell u whether linux has native support for the device. if it doesnt, go to the ndiswrapper home page and it gives instructions for installing it
[05:15] <gm78> Scroopy, keep in mind that ndiswrapper, well working good, doesnt support 100% of all devices
[05:15] <Scroopy> thanks gm75
[05:15] <Juhaz> it has native support
[05:15] <Scroopy> it supports this
[05:15] <gm78> Scroopy, 78 :-P
[05:15] <Juhaz> pretty buggy drivers, though, but they work well enough on hoary
[05:15] <pacino> hi
[05:15] <gm78> Scroopy, is ubuntu detecting the device?
[05:16] <pacino> i use windows and ubuntu
[05:16] <Scroopy> yes it is detecting it
[05:16] <gm78> pacino, hi
[05:16] <ola> is it possible to change all filepermissions in a catalogue (and subcatalogues) to 0644 and all catalogues (and subcatalogues) to 0755 ?
[05:16] <Scroopy> i have gone to ndiswrpaper instruction site
[05:16] <pacino> can anybody say me how i can do it that windows will boot first with grub and not ubuntu first
[05:16] <Scroopy> make distclean
[05:16] <Scroopy> it gives me that command
[05:16] <Scroopy> where do i enter that?
[05:16] <gm78> Scroopy, its seeing it, but is it actually detecting it as a network card? according to Juhaz it is supported natively
[05:17] <pacino> hey
[05:17] <ola> picasso, check in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:17] <Scroopy> how do i chek that?
[05:17] <Nermal> pacino, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:17] <squinn> Nermal: I found something of interest..but I need to show you in #flood
[05:17] <pacino> nano -w/boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:17] <pacino> like this
[05:17] <Nermal> with a sudo :)
[05:17] <gm78> Scroopy, open System >> Administration >> Network
[05:18] <ola> picasso, sorry.. ill check.. i might have tied
[05:18] <pacino> so how nermal
[05:18] <Scroopy> no
[05:18] <gm78> Scroopy, how many network cards do u have in the computer?
[05:18] <khurtiz2> ok can somebody explain to me what the sudo command is?
[05:18] <Scroopy> it onyl has my ethernet controller
[05:18] <pacino> nermal?
[05:18] <pacino> how
[05:18] <spamalope> khurtiz2: man sudo
[05:18] <Amaranth> khurtiz2: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:18] <Scroopy> and a modem conection
[05:18] <Scroopy> but i have no modem installed
[05:18] <khurtiz2> okies :) ty
[05:18] <Nermal> pacino, told you
[05:18] <Nermal> edit the order
[05:18] <pacino> sudo nano -w/boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:18] <Nermal> self explanitory file
[05:18] <pacino> so?
[05:18] <Nermal> so fucking rude
[05:18] <ola> picasso, first.. you use grub?
[05:18] <Juhaz> gm78, Scroopy I mean there are native drivers, but they're not included in vanilla kernel, can't remember if there are ubuntu package
[05:19] <Scroopy> do u have them?
[05:19] <gm78> Scroopy, brb
[05:19] <pacino> hey where can i do it that windows will boot first with grub and not ubuntu
[05:19] <Chillout> hi folks, heres the prob: i want to install "bibus" for oOo vias synaptic (reps added are deb http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/bibus-biblio & deb-src http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/bibus-biblio ./). when i try it tells me it cant because it requires python <2.4 but ubuntu would install/has installed 4.0.1. I have installed python 2.2. and 2.3 as well tho. any idea how i could make bibus be installed anyway?
[05:19] <ola> picasso, in /boot/grub/menu.lst there should be something like default or such. this one is set to 0 (wich means the first opton in the menu is default)
[05:20] <pacino> ola
[05:20] <pacino> no
[05:21] <cmatheson> hey guys, i wanna do a chinese translation for openbox, but i've never done this before... anyone have any idea of what kind of software is required?
[05:21] <ola> pacino, what's not working?
[05:22] <mirak> hi
[05:23] <mirak> how can I know my glibc version ?
[05:24] <ashok> can i install rpm's in ubuntu ?
[05:24] <ashok> only deb is supported ?
[05:24] <Chillout> hi folks, heres the prob: i want to install "bibus" for oOo vias synaptic (reps added are deb http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/bibus-biblio & deb-src http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/bibus-biblio ./). when i try it tells me it cant because it requires python <2.4 but ubuntu would install/has installed 4.0.1. I have installed python 2.2. and 2.3 as well tho. any idea how i could make bibus be installed anyway?
[05:25] <cmatheson> ashok: basically, yes (don't install rpms if you can avoid it)
[05:27] <Gerrath> ashok, is there a specific program you wish to install that is in RPM only?
[05:28] <zukalk> woohoo, i think i finally got rid of all the KDE stuff i had installed!
[05:28] <zukalk> my advice: never apt-get install 'kubuntu-desktop' if you just want to ''try kde''
[05:28] <poningru> hehe
[05:28] <poningru> yeah
[05:28] <poningru> just find the kubuntu live cd
[05:28] <zukalk> exactly
[05:29] <poningru> ashok: you can use alien
[05:29] <zukalk> !alien
[05:29] <ubotu> I guess alien is a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[05:29] <Steiner> hi
[05:29] <zukalk> hi
[05:29] <poningru> man alien
[05:29] <devios> is there an ubuntu build of gftp that supports ftps?
[05:29] <poningru> no clue
[05:30] <devios> or is there a decent ftp client for ubuntu besides gftp?
[05:30] <devios> gftp sucks
[05:30] <ashok> yes, i could find mplayer in rpm
[05:30] <poningru> but I would just use ssh2
[05:30] <zukalk> devios, i use gftp-gtk
[05:30] <devios> zukalk: supports ftps?
[05:30] <poningru> ashok: just sudo apt-get mplayer
[05:30] <zukalk> devios, not sure what you're asking
[05:31] <zukalk> it's an FTP client
[05:31] <devios> ftp over ssl
[05:31] <devios> ftps
[05:31] <zukalk> oh
[05:31] <zukalk> not sure
[05:31] <Big_O> gftp?
[05:31] <zukalk> "  * support for SSH and SSH2 file transfers,"
[05:31] <zukalk> read apt-cache show gftp-gtk
[05:31] <devios> is there an ubuntu build of gftp that supports ftps?
[05:31] <ashok> what if i just want to get the deb files and place it in a directory and install later. how do i do that ?
[05:32] <devios> my gentoo box had ftps protocol support for gftp
[05:32] <Big_O> hmm something seems to be conflicting with my javaplugin in firefox
[05:32] <devios> i think the fedora gftp supports ftps too
[05:32] <pacino> hey i need some help
[05:32] <pacino> sudo vim /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:33] <zukalk> ashok, using apt?
[05:33] <pacino> i want to change default here but i cannot write or type anything in the data file
[05:33] <Big_O> is there anyway to trace the problem outside of removeing very thing i put in since i had it working
[05:33] <ashok> anything zukalk.
[05:33] <ashok> all i want is, i want to download and keep it, so that i can install it later
[05:34] <Gerrath> pacino, you know how to use vim right?
[05:34] <devios> I'll have to use lftp from the cli, I guess
[05:34] <ashok> sorry for such basic questions, i am a newbie
[05:34] <zukalk> ashok, using apt you add "-d" or "--download-only" to the command, and it'll just retrieve the .deb file: apt-get install -d [pkg] 
[05:34] <pacino> sudo vim /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:34] <pacino> gerrathh like this
[05:34] <pacino> but i cannot change or type anything into the data
[05:35] <martigan> who knows how to customize the terminal in some cool way (other then a trans background)?
[05:35] <Gerrath> pacino, yes type i to insert or edit.
[05:35] <nalioth_wrkn> ashok: if you open a terminal and type "man apt-get" it will show you all the options that you can use with apt (including --download-only)
[05:35] <zukalk> ashok, not sure where the .deb goes to though. i'm guessing it's /var/cache/apt/archives or something
[05:35] <nalioth_wrkn> zukalk: that is where it goes
[05:35] <zukalk> good
[05:35] <Gerrath> pacino, type :w to save the data and :q to exit out.
[05:35] <wolki> pacino: i'd use nano instead of vim, it's much easier
[05:35] <pacino> yes gerrath i know but i cannot changes anything in the data i opende
[05:35] <dylan_> man i hate windows fanatics
[05:36] <dylan_> i actually know a few
[05:36] <ashok> oh thanks for the help
[05:36] <pacino> wolki can u say me the command wiht nano
[05:36] <nalioth_wrkn> dylan_: is your limewire working?
[05:36] <Gerrath> pacino, hehe, sorry didn't mean to insult you.
[05:36] <Big_O> i really dont feel like doing a clean install just for this bloody thing
[05:36] <wolki> pacino: sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:36] <Gerrath> pacino, thats strange you can't edit the file with sudo, you should have root priv. if your in the sudo list.
[05:38] <Big_O> did you hit insert?
[05:39] <Big_O> oh  nevermind
[05:39] <dylan_> my limewire is working
[05:39] <Big_O> gha why does java have to such a pain
[05:41] <nalioth_wrkn> dylan_: good to hear
[05:41] <zAo^> how can I burn MP3 > WAV CDs on the fly?
[05:42] <dylan_> yeah..thanks
[05:42] <nalioth_wrkn> zAo^: use k3b
[05:42] <dylan_> is it safe to chmod a+x a .py file?
[05:42] <zAo^> nalioth_wrkn, isnt there a GTK app?
[05:43] <deFrysk> zAo^, k3b is the easyers way
[05:43] <nalioth_wrkn> zAo^: you could try gnomebaker or graveman, but k3b runs under gnome and it works
[05:43] <zAo^> thnx
[05:43] <deFrysk> zAo^,  but also gnome-baker and graveman work fine
[05:43] <zAo^> they cant burn on-the-fly
[05:44] <deFrysk> zAo^,  no ?
[05:44] <zAo^> nope
[05:44] <deFrysk> oh
[05:44] <Big_O> hmm when a link is green that means theres a bug right?
[05:44] <zAo^> why doesnt KDE use GTK? pff
[05:44] <deFrysk> zAo^, cos KDE likes ugly ;p
[05:44] <zAo^> yeah
[05:45] <zAo^> this is what I hate about linux: 100s of standards
[05:45] <Big_O> well gnome is ugly too
[05:45] <JohnFlux> zAo^: KDE coders prefers c++
[05:45] <Toto> Bonjour tout le monde
[05:45] <deFrysk> Big_O, /j #whateverwar
[05:45] <Amaranth> when KDE chose Qt it was all there was
[05:45] <pepsix> Big_O, in gnome-terminal?
[05:45] <zAo^> and what does gnome like? :P
[05:45] <Big_O> i use fluxbox
[05:46] <cmatheson> zAo^: gtk
[05:46] <deFrysk> Big_O, also ugly ;p
[05:46] <Big_O> in eterm
[05:46] <ashok> folks, iam getting an error when i try sudo apt-get mplayer
[05:46] <Gerrath> ashok, what is the error?
[05:46] <zAo^> k3b doesnt support the MP3 format..
[05:46] <deFrysk> ashok, try sudo apt-get update first
[05:46] <deFrysk> zAo^, yes it does
[05:46] <devios> why does ubuntu want to remove the ubuntu-base package when I install ftp-ssl?  what is the ubuntu-base package?
[05:46] <ashok> E: Invalid operation mplayer
[05:46] <Gerrath> try sudo apt-get install mplayer
[05:47] <Gerrath> ashok, you need the install option so apt-get knows what to do.
[05:47] <zAo^> well I get "mp3 format is not supported"
[05:47] <ashok> gerrath i dont want to install now, i just want to download it and install later
[05:47] <scoperes> anyone know how to get vnc to autoload?
[05:47] <deFrysk> zAo^, do you have your repos set up properly ?
[05:47] <Big_O> thats cos most peope look at the defaults and _ARGH WTF_ =P
[05:47] <warrior_> zAo^, get the lame codec
[05:47] <zAo^> deFrysk, yes
[05:47] <zAo^> thnx warrior_
[05:48] <Seveas> zAo^: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[05:48] <warrior_> no prob
[05:48] <deFrysk> hmz I thought k3b took it in by default
[05:48] <Gerrath> ashok, I think you just do apt-get install -d mplayer then.
[05:48] <zAo^> with lame installed: still no mp3 support :(
[05:48] <deFrysk> zAo^, then also gnome-baker and graveman might work after that :)
[05:49] <Gerrath> ashok, do a info apt-get to confirm this.
[05:49] <dylan_> how do i get a .PY file to run correctly?
[05:49] <zAo^> deFrysk, I works now, but not on the fly
[05:49] <warrior_> wait I got this on lockdown, mine was being stupid with mp3s too hang on
[05:49] <deFrysk> zAo^, try apt-get install k3b-mp3
[05:49] <catfox> anyone know the homepage for the hoola project? hoola-project.org goes to a beagle page
[05:49] <warrior_> zAo^,  sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-lame
[05:49] <scoperes> is audigy 2's still not fully supported yet?
[05:49] <linukso> catfox: www.hula-project.org
[05:49] <zAo^> warrior_, does not exist :)
[05:49] <warrior_> scoperes, mine works perfectly
[05:50] <warrior_> zAo^, ouch, sounds like a bad source list
[05:50] <zAo^> thanks deFrysk thats it :)
[05:50] <scoperes> warrior_ i have to do all this extra stuff like get emu10k1 and compile it in to the sources in order to get mine working
[05:50] <deFrysk> zAo^, you have universe AND multiverse right ?
[05:50] <zAo^> warrior_, Breezy here..
[05:50] <warrior_> zAo^, you using standard source list?
[05:50] <warrior_> zAo^, you just left my league with breezy ;-)
[05:50] <zAo^> yes, standard breezy + universe + multiuniverse
[05:50] <deFrysk> zAo^, breezy , tricky
[05:51] <Gerrath> ashok, I just checked, all you need to do is sudo apt-get install -d "program name" and this will download only.
[05:51] <dylan_> is there a way to get a python file to run
[05:51] <ed1t> does ubuntu live cd has a format tool?
[05:51] <zAo^> no probs so far :)
[05:51] <Seveas> ed1t, yes
[05:51] <scoperes> fdisk
[05:51] <warrior_> scoperes, just to get sound?
[05:51] <linukso> dylan_: python your_file.py
[05:51] <Seveas> dylan_, python filename.py
[05:51] <dylan_> thanks
[05:51] <warrior_> zAo^, :D til you needed mp3 on the fly
[05:51] <Gerrath> ashok, make sure to do the sudo apt-get update first so you get the lastest repository lists.
[05:51] <scoperes> warrior_ yeah, i thought it was because i have onboard sound and I am not using it but everytime a new version of the kernel comes out i have to recompile emu10k1
[05:51] <zAo^> yeah :)
[05:52] <zAo^> on my hoary I also couldnt... :)
[05:52] <zAo^> thanks all :D
[05:52] <catfox> linukso, haha, no wonder i couldn't find it
[05:52] <warrior_> scoperes, did you try turning on Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack under alsamixer?
[05:53] <scoperes> yeah and i get nothing till i compile
[05:53] <martigan> who knows an mail notification applet that works with ubuntu? kan get the gmailnotification and mail notification to work somehow
[05:53] <devios> why does ubuntu want to remove the ubuntu-base package when I install ftp-ssl?  what is the ubuntu-base package?  also, why was the lftp package for ubuntu built without ssl support?  also, why was the gtpd package for ubuntu built without ssl support?  (I really just need to know if ubuntu-base is critical)
[05:53] <warrior_> scoperes, and its an onboard audigy 2?
[05:53] <scoperes> no its not onboard
[05:53] <scoperes> i have ac97 onboard
[05:53] <Seveas> devios, ubuntu-bas is not critical except when you are upgrading to a new version of Ubuntu
[05:54] <Seveas> and installing ftp-ssl is a bad thing...
[05:54] <ashok> oki gerrath
[05:54] <warrior_> scoperes, does it recoginize both by chance and gives onboard priority?
[05:54] <Seveas> gftp for ubuntu has ssl support
[05:54] <scoperes> it doesnt rec the audigy 2 at all
[05:54] <deFrysk> scoperes, set onboard sound to off in bios
[05:54] <JohnFlux> i can't get my synaptics mousepad to work.  It's a kernel problem I think because I don't have a usb entry for it in /dev  and dmesg says nothing
[05:54] <scoperes> I'll try that
[05:54] <scoperes> thanks
[05:54] <Gerrath> ashok, did that work for you?
[05:55] <scoperes> too bad I can't do it for a hours since I am far away from my computer but I'll try that
[05:55] <warrior_> thats crazy it recognizes my audigy 2 every single time
[05:55] <deFrysk> scoperes, always does the trick for me :)
[05:55] <ashok> gerrath which one to choose from - mplayer-nogui 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[05:55] <ashok>   mplayer-k6 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[05:55] <ashok>   mplayer-custom 1:1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu1
[05:55] <ashok>   mplayer-586 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[05:55] <ashok>   mplayer-386 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[05:55] <scoperes> what version of the audigy 2 do you have? i have the value because I didnt want all the extras
[05:55] <deFrysk> ashok, no flooding ;p
[05:56] <warrior_> I'm using audigy 2 ZS
[05:56] <Gerrath> ashok, what cpu do you have?
[05:56] <ashok> mobile centrino
[05:56] <deFrysk> 386 is always fine
[05:56] <hack_benjamin> anyone managed to get darwinia working on amd64?
[05:56] <deFrysk> safe bet for anything
[05:57] <warrior_> I started helping people and forgot I needed help :-D
[05:57] <Gerrath> ashok, unless you have an old computer I would think mplayer-586 would be the best choice.
[05:57] <ashok> oki gerrath
[05:58] <warrior_> anyone here using 2.6.10-5-smp?
[05:58] <devios> Seveas: why is installing ftp-ssl a bad thing?
[05:58] <hilkiah> hi all
[05:58] <hilkiah> can any one offer guidance on getting ubuntu + xorg + ati to play nicely
[05:58] <hilkiah> ?
[05:58] <hilkiah> pls
[05:58] <Gerrath> deFrysk, 586 should be more optimized for the modern intels correct?
[05:59] <warrior_> correction, anyone using 2.6.10-5-686-smp?
[05:59] <deFrysk> Gerrath, noobs usually have the 386 kernel rinning so the 386 is always correct for mplayer
[05:59] <just_in> hello - I just installed the latest Ubuntu -hoary- and I checked the output of 'last -aix' and it had a strange IP address in there- Is this normal?
[05:59] <deFrysk> running#
[05:59] <Gerrath> deFrysk, thanks.
[05:59] <warrior_> hilkiah, whats your 3d prob?
[05:59] <hondje> just_in:
[05:59] <hondje> just_in: no
[06:00] <Gerrath> ashok, deFrysk recommends the 386 and think thats probably the safest bet for you as well.
[06:00] <Big_O> i http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b293/chimeraoverlord/snapshot1.jpg
[06:00] <ashok> gerrath it worked..
[06:00] <Zerboxx> hi - can anyone help me with a slight printer problem?
[06:00] <just_in> it resolved to .ru
[06:00] <Gerrath> ashok, good.
[06:00] <hondje> just_in: do a whois or a host and see whose IP it is
[06:00] <deFrysk> ashok, cool :)
[06:00] <ashok> how do i install this package later ?
[06:00] <JohnFlux> just_in: I have "194.135.4.8"
[06:00] <ashok> dpkg ?
[06:00] <JohnFlux> just_in: i just intalled ubuntu too
[06:00] <linukso> devios: if you want secure file transfer, why don't you just use scp/sftp?
[06:00] <linukso> devios: it comes with openssh
[06:01] <warrior_> hilkiah, whats going on with your ATI?
[06:01] <just_in> Johnflux - same here
[06:01] <devios> linukso: i know.  however, the ftp server is a winblows system, so I have no alternative
[06:01] <just_in> I've been told that this probably is a compromise
[06:01] <JohnFlux> just_in: tis strange.
[06:02] <just_in> it resolves to Samara City bank
[06:02] <devios> linukso: also, someone else is responsible for the server.  I ened a client to work with them.
[06:02] <linukso> devios: then gftp should do it. (ftp-ssl is a server)
[06:02] <hondje> that's strange
[06:02] <linukso> devios: or lftp
[06:02] <devios> linukso: the gftp client for ubuntu doesn't have ftps support.
[06:02] <hondje> normally I'd say bad things, but two guys with fresh installs...
[06:02] <devios> linukso: the lftp client for ubuntu also does not have ssl support
[06:02] <hilkiah> warrior....bascially
[06:02] <hilkiah> i can't get my fglrx working
[06:02] <hilkiah> my card is a :
[06:03] <hilkiah> 0000:01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 340M
[06:03] <Gerrath> ashok, dpkg -i  the downside to using dpkg to install a program over apt-get is it doesn't handle depenancies.  The good news is if there are dependencys you just need to run apt-get afterwords and it will install them for you.
[06:03] <hilkiah> xorg detects and selects the 'ati' driver
[06:03] <hilkiah> but once i fireup X, anytime i open an application, Xorg hogs the cpu
[06:03] <hilkiah> > 95% utilization
[06:03] <hilkiah> only way around is to NoAccel = yes in xorg.conf
[06:03] <Zerboxx> Can anyone help me with a printer problem & ubuntu live?
[06:03] <hilkiah> i've tried installing the fglrx package
[06:03] <just_in> so - where do we go from here?
[06:03] <Gerrath> ashok, there maybe a better way than that but its what has worked for me.
[06:03] <zukalk> !lamp
[06:03] <ubotu> I guess lamp is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary
[06:03] <cmatheson> Zerboxx: just ask the question
[06:03] <hilkiah> but X does not run with that device driver
[06:04] <just_in> can anyone suggest a security forum that might have some tips on how to handle this?
[06:04] <linukso> devios: then it is a problem with ubuntus build, cause lftp on my gentoo server handles ftps.
[06:04] <Zerboxx> cmatheson: I want to test out my Lexmark z55 (found some instructions on linuxprinting) but I don't want to install Ubuntu, just to find out that they dont work, and I was wondering if they'd work with the live cd
[06:04] <hilkiah> right now, i don't care about 3d acceleration
[06:04] <warrior_> hilkiah, when you default install ubuntu do you have the cpu usage problem?  I mean a brand new install?
[06:04] <cmatheson> Zerboxx: yeah it should
[06:04] <hilkiah> i just want to be able to use X without the slow redrawing of windows
[06:04] <hondje> just_in: there's on at ubuntuforums.org
[06:05] <redtech> what does linux have for windows's net send ?
[06:05] <Zerboxx> cmatheson: Even if it requires me to d/l something?  it'll work with live?
[06:05] <just_in> hondje: thanks
[06:05] <hilkiah> any ideas?
[06:05] <cmatheson> Zerboxx: i'm not positive, but you shouldn't have to download anything just to print
[06:05] <warrior_>  hilkiah when you default install ubuntu do you have the cpu usage problem?  I mean a brand new install?
[06:05] <Zerboxx> cmatheson: http://www.linuxprinting.org/lexmark-faq.html#s_15
[06:05] <fruitybumstuffer> hey guys, im tryin 2 mount my 2nd windows hdd on my ubuntu boot but its not havin it... my primary windows hdd is mounted at boot fine but my 2nd hdd no... I have altho it mounts when i put "mount /dev/sda5 /media/windows2/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222" any suggestions for fstab??? Its a sata hdd btw cheers
[06:06] <devios> linukso: that's what I said earlier.
[06:06] <linukso> devios: then someone should be spanked :)
[06:07] <JohnFlux> Hey
[06:07] <JohnFlux> I have a synaptics touch pad, and found how to get it working on google
[06:07] <ashok> gerrath, apt-get install is trying to download the file again
[06:07] <JohnFlux> how would I get someone to apply this fix to ubuntu itself
[06:07] <JohnFlux> so it just works  for everyone
[06:07] <Riddell> JohnFlux: what needed fixed?
[06:08] <Gerrath> ashok, why are you running apt-get install again?
[06:08] <JohnFlux> Riddell: in /etc/modules  you need to add "evdev" and move "psmouse" to the last line
[06:08] <Gerrath> ashok,  I thought you wanted to install it later and with dpkg
[06:08] <hondje> The installer should do that, I'd think. I'd file a bug
[06:08] <JohnFlux> hondje: me?
[06:08] <ashok> sorry gerrath. i got it
[06:08] <hondje> JohnFlux: yes, sorry
[06:08] <JohnFlux> hondje: thanks.
[06:09] <Riddell> JohnFlux: yes, bugzilla.ubuntu.com is the place
[06:09] <JohnFlux> Riddell: thanks!
[06:09] <randykay> Is it fairly safe to go into the Breezy waters yet?  Are the Daily CD images fairly stable?
[06:09] <ashok> thanks gerrath, dpkg -i worked fine
[06:10] <Gerrath> ashok, apt-get always uses repositories to install files from.  It does that so it can get the dependancies as well.  You can set up a local repository if you are going to be doing a lot of files locally but your best bet is probably to use dpkg -i
[06:11] <Gerrath> ashok, I would always recommend using apt-get install when ever possible and just let it download then install everything so you never have to deal with dependencies.
[06:11] <ed1t> FF 1.0.5 released!@
[06:12] <Gerrath> ashok, I'm glad it worked.
[06:12] <martigan> who knows a good working norton commander clone for ubuntu?
[06:12] <fruitybumlover> hey guys... Im tryin 2 mount my sata hdd on boot usin fstab but its not workin it mounts fine when i put "mount /dev/sda5 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222" in the terminal but from what i have got in fstab it doesnt like... any suggestions??
[06:12] <Will_> randykay: What does the topic say?
[06:12] <ashok> gerrath, can u guide me to set a local repository ?
[06:13] <hondje> !repositories
[06:13] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:13] <ashok> also, how do i know wat are the packages available for install.
[06:13] <ashok> thanks ubotu
[06:14] <fruitybumlover> any1??
[06:14] <crimsun> ashok: you can use http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[06:14] <JohnFlux> crimsun: isn't there a gui for it ? synapse or something
[06:14] <hondje> fruitybumlover: you should probably show what line you have in fstab, so that one can see your error
[06:14] <hondje> synaptic
[06:14] <crimsun> JohnFlux: sure, aptitude, Synaptic, Kynaptic, apt-cache
[06:14] <JohnFlux> yeah
[06:14] <ashok> thanks crimsun
[06:14] <JohnFlux> ashok: ^^ there you go
[06:15] <TokenBad> how good is ubuntu at doing cablem modems?
[06:15] <hondje> It does them like Jenna Jameson
[06:15] <JohnFlux> TokenBad: i think it depends what you haev
[06:15] <linukso> martigan: midnight commander
[06:15] <JohnFlux> have
[06:15] <deFrysk> lol
[06:15] <TokenBad> surfboard modem
[06:15] <TokenBad> cause got some stuff in logs from it that can't be good
[06:16] <hondje> like what?
[06:16] <martigan> going to look into it thanks linukso
[06:16] <Gerrath> ashok, here is another good link:http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html#setting-up
[06:16] <TokenBad> want me to post in flood or whatever?
[06:16] <hondje> comcast uses DHCP for everything, it's the easiest inet connection to set up
[06:16] <Gerrath> ashok, lets try that again: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html#setting-up
[06:16] <hondje> TokenBad: fire away
[06:17] <ashok> thanks gerrath
[06:17] <randykay> Will_: Ahhh.  I scrolled through the whole topic.  I see now.  Ooops.
[06:17] <hondje> TokenBad: you're losing signal levels to your modem,
[06:17] <wims> does anybody know of a good howto / walkthrough for multiplay monitors with ubuntu?
[06:18] <hondje> see any powerlevel spikes or anything?
[06:18] <Gerrath> ashok, no prob.
[06:18] <mumbles> why is eveything dead today ?
[06:18] <hondje> TokenBad: if you get a lot of those regularly, you'll have to call comcast and yell at them for being idiots
[06:19] <mumbles> apart from in here
[06:19] <TokenBad> thats what I thought but everytime I call them they say nothing is wrong
[06:19] <Will_> mumbles: Because you touch yourself at night
[06:19] <hondje> They lie
[06:19] <blmartin777> Comcast always lies
[06:19] <hondje> yep
[06:19] <zAo^> reboot
[06:20] <randykay> Anyone here use Beagle in Hoary?  I have a folder named "Suitcase" off my home folder and if I search for 'Suitcase' it finds it.  If I search for 'Suit' it doesn't.  Is this proper behaviour?
[06:20] <hondje> TokenBad: I'd post in the Comcast HSI forum at broadbandreports.com
[06:21] <H3PO> anyone knows if gnome-2.12 will be based on gtk-2.8?
[06:22] <ashok> folks, i installed GXine, but i dont find it added in the applications menu.
[06:22] <ashok> but if i type gxine in the "run application", it works
[06:22] <Gerrath> ashok, do "killall gnome-panel" to refresh your gnome menu.
[06:23] <linukso> hmmm, something is wrong with my man-path. man lftp i.ex. doesn't work, but looking in /usr/share/man/man1 shows it is there...
[06:23] <ashok> gerrath, it says no process to kill
[06:24] <blmartin777> How can I have a cpu-processor temp in my gnome panel like an applet or something?
[06:24] <wrtpeeps> during installation, can i make it so ubuntu doesn't download any software for me.. i just get the shell and the GUI ?
[06:25] <goku360> my linux computer is connected directly to the internet via a cable modem and dhcp.
[06:25] <goku360> i want to give a winxp computer internet using my linuix computer.
[06:25] <goku360> i used firestarter.
[06:25] <goku360> my linux machine's ip is 192.168.0.2
[06:25] <goku360> my winxp machine ip is 192.168.0.3
[06:25] <goku360> i have correctly setup the network cuz i pinged both computer from each other.
[06:25] <goku360> i have enabled internet connection sharing in firestarter.
[06:25] <goku360> and i set the default gateway to 192.168.0.2 on my winxp box.
[06:25] <goku360> why can't i access the internet on the winxp comp. i am sorry for the long message but its best to give all info
[06:25] <wrtpeeps> anyone?
[06:26] <Jowi> goku360, in firestarter: Policy. Add your winxp ip for "Allow connections from host"
[06:26] <lesshaste> can any play any of the vids on http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Mathematics/18-06Linear-AlgebraFall2002/VideoLectures/index.htm ?
[06:26] <Gerrath> ashok, are you in gnome or kde?
[06:27] <fruitybumstuffer> hey guys im tryin 2 mount my 2nd windoze hdd on boot but its not likin what i have put in  fstab... it mounts my 1st hdd but not the 2nd i have used /dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222 0       0 for my fist and the 2nd changin hda1 to sda5 and the windows has a 2 at the end... Any help with this??
[06:27] <linukso> does "man lftp" work for anyone else, so its just me that has a problem?
[06:27] <goku360> thanks jowi i'll try that
[06:27] <Efwis> blmartin777, try this http://sourceforge.net/projects/cputemp/
[06:27] <ashok> gnome
[06:27] <Jowi> goku360, for example 192.168.0.1/24
[06:27] <fruitybumstuffer> any1??
[06:28] <sJaM> fruitybumstuffer, you can see the info in: sudo fdisk -l
[06:28] <Gerrath> ashok, type "ps -All |grep gnome-panel"
[06:28] <blmartin777> Efwis: Thanks
[06:28] <Jowi> goku360, that will allow all pcs on your network access without restriction
[06:28] <Efwis> warning its still alpha but it should do what you want
[06:28] <blmartin777> Efwis: Is that the only one available?
[06:29] <ashok> 0 S  1000  7897     1  0  76   0 -  7318 -      ?        00:00:18 gnome-panel
[06:29] <Efwis> i'll look around a bit one moment
[06:30] <Gerrath> ashok, so you do have gnome panel working.. by the way the command is actually "ps -Al |grep gnome-panel"  The extra l was a typo.
[06:30] <eruin> why not just ps x ?
[06:31] <Gerrath> ashok, killall gnome-panel should work.
[06:31] <sJaM> ashok still here ?
[06:31] <sJaM> 2 hours ago
[06:31] <sJaM> you were trying todo the same thing
[06:31] <ashok> i dont understand gerrath
[06:32] <fruitybumstuffer> sJaM: Thats where i found out that its sda5 that i want 2 mount but i have go my primary win hdd mountin on boot fine just that this sata 1 doesnt want 2
[06:32] <fruitybumstuffer> got*
[06:32] <Efwis> blmartin777, that is the only one I can find that meets what your looking for
[06:33] <zerboxx> How do I go about making a script?
[06:34] <jimmy_> Hi,all.
[06:34] <blmartin777> Efwis: How about this I am using a 'egitemp' or something of that nature and it is an applet that I can apply to the panel but everytime I restart it says something about the cpu throttler program is not started.
[06:34] <Efwis> never heard of that one
[06:34] <blmartin777> alright, thanks
[06:34] <Efwis> http://gnodde.org/wmtemp/ here is another one that might work
[06:34] <jimmy_> Anyone has ATI IGP 340M in Ubuntu?
[06:34] <sJaM> zerboxx, what kind of script ?
[06:35] <zerboxx> sJaM: No idea, I'm just trying to follow instructions to get my printer working
[06:35] <Efwis> yw
[06:36] <sJaM> zerboxx, what kind of printer to what
[06:36] <zerboxx> sJaM: http://linuxprinting.org/lexmark-faq.html#s_15
[06:36] <jasper1> hello can anyone send me a copy of /etc/hosts since i deleted its content and now GNOME does not work well. i have gethostbyname() error while executing sudo command too because of this
[06:37] <Koby> I am trying to install ubuntu and have a problem with grub
[06:38] <razor23> jasper1: I think the only thing you may need is "127.0.0.1 localhost"
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> hmm... hosts file only needs like 1 real line i think for grub and thats like  what razor23  said.
[06:38] <jasper1> razor23: ok i
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> gor gnome i mean. :P
[06:38] <jasper1> razor23: ok, i'll try this. thank you
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> theres some other lines in there for the ipv6 stuff I think.
[06:39] <TokenBad> well seems comcast is going to send out a tech
[06:40] <goku360> jowi: i tried what you said it did not help. what setting should be on the winxp comp??
[06:41] <Koby> hi, can anyone help me with grub?
[06:41] <Jowi> goku360, that i have no idea of. i haven't used windows in years. did you add 192.168.0.1/24 ?
[06:41] <goku360> yes
[06:41] <mumbles-out> ops
[06:41] <Jowi> goku360, can you ping 216.239.59.99 from the win box?
[06:41] <mumbles-out> opss pallled my power lead out of my comptuer
[06:42] <goku360> i'll try
[06:42] <blmartin777> What is going on tokenbad
[06:42] <TokenBad> alot of errors in my cable modem log
[06:42] <blmartin777> is the connection screwed up too?
[06:43] <goku360> jowi: no it says requet timed out
[06:43] <hondje> TokenBad: post them in broadbandreports.com 's Comcast forum, they have comcast techs who get paid to go there and do thinking
[06:43] <concept10> TokenBad, what log is that?
[06:43] <hondje> at least give you some ammo next time comcast tier1 monkeys tell you its fine :)
[06:43] <Jowi> goku360, then you are not getting through somehow... hmmm. sorry i can not help more than that atm. got a date :-)
[06:44] <kutucape> hi all
[06:44] <kutucape> it is safe to use ubuntu backports?
[06:44] <concept10> TokenBad, most comcast techs dont know anything about the modems, they will just replace it or run through a troubleshooting script
[06:44] <kutucape> sorry for my bad english
[06:44] <goku360> jowi: good luck and thanks anyway
[06:44] <deFrysk> kutucape, afaIk yes
[06:45] <kutucape> deFrysk, but i'm downloading them now :D
[06:45] <kutucape> some gaim and etc packages
[06:45] <queuetue> Hi.  Occasionally, cedega crashes and leaves my screen at the wrong resolution - is there a quick commandline way to switch it back, without going through the control panel?
[06:45] <kutucape> from ubuntu forum folks said no problem at all
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> queuetue,  not that ive found.
[06:46] <hondje> comcast: if they can ping it, they tell you it's fine
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> queuetue,  i tend to use the gnomes 'change resolution' feature to change it somthing else and back again.
[06:46] <kutucape> queuetue, press Alt+Ctrl+Backspace
[06:46] <queuetue> kutucape, That only works if you have multiple resolutions set up in X.  Not with xrandr...
[06:47] <queuetue> Ah, backspace - what a cruel thing to tell someone to do...
[06:47] <kutucape> queuetue, so, maybe you have to alt+F1 for a while then kill X? CMIIW
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> of course if cedega crashes - i find that often theres a lot of  rogue processes it leaves behind that need to be killed off also.
[06:49] <queuetue> Dr_Willis, type xrandr to get a list of "sizes" and then just type xrandr <number>
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> queuetue,  cool. :P
[06:50] <reibax> Hola
[06:50] <reibax> soy nuevo en Ubuntu
[06:50] <reibax> alguien puede hecharme una mano?
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> 0_o
[06:50] <reibax> vengo de gentoo y no me entero
[06:50] <randykay> Back to work I go.  Later all.
[06:50] <reibax> Oooops
[06:51] <reibax> is it an English channel?
[06:51] <reibax> hehe
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> No Hoblo.
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:51] <reibax> then hi
[06:51] <reibax> I'm new to ubuntu, and I'm a bit lost
[06:51] <reibax> I need help
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> and it seems when i say "No Hoblo" - people then assume i CAN speak spanish... then start talking to me in it.. :P
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> reibax,  go on.
[06:52] <reibax> :-D
[06:52] <reibax> I don't understand
[06:52] <reibax> Synaptic
[06:52] <reibax> it seems quite simple
[06:52] <reibax> but for example
[06:52] <reibax> I can't find amsn on it
[06:53] <reibax> is it that ubuntu doesnt support it?
[06:53] <hondje> !repositories
[06:53] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:53] <hondje> reibax: follow that link :)
[06:53] <hondje> Once you have the other repositories in, you can install amsn
[06:53] <reibax> ok
[06:53] <reibax> thanks
[06:53] <linukso> hmmm, if man isn't working, maybe zsh is to blame :)
[06:53] <reibax> I'l look for that
[06:53] <reibax> i just needed a clue
[06:53] <basti> hello
[06:53] <reibax> thanks a lot!
[06:53] <hondje> No problem :) Also, there's an #ubuntu-es if you're so inclined
[06:53] <reibax> hehe
[06:53] <reibax> thanks
[06:53] <basti> I still have problems with onboard sound
[06:54] <basti> NVidia NForce 2
[06:54] <basti> is someone able to help me?
[06:54] <searcher`> kinda hard without you telling what the problem is :-)
[06:55] <basti> I need to uninstall nvidia drivers and OSS and set up ALSA again
[06:55] <basti> but how?
[06:55] <ed1t> is there any media converter anybody know where i can convert avi file to mpeg?
[06:56] <mumbles-out> right
[06:56] <Koby> I was trying to install ubuntu on IBM thinkpad t41 with winXPpro
[06:56] <mumbles> now ive got my room tidey and hovered
[06:56] <mumbles> time to do my cisco corse stuff
[06:56] <Koby> I created a new partition
[06:57] <Koby> and installed the grub on the main boot (or something like that)
[06:57] <Koby> now I get error 17 for grub
[06:57] <Koby> can anyone help me please?
[06:57] <alia_> hm.
[06:57] <alia_> With what?
[06:58] <h08817> hello everyone
[06:58] <alia_> hi.
[06:58] <h08817> i am completely new to ubuntu
[06:58] <alia_> yea.
[06:58] <h08817> i just got it last week
[06:58] <alia_> I am too.
[06:58] <alia_> I got it last night.
[06:58] <alia_> ;o
[06:59] <h08817> i have no idea how to use it i am back on windows now though
[06:59] <JDahl> Koby, did you have WinXP working on a separate partition before you installed Ubuntu?
[06:59] <ashok> gerrath, are u there ?
[06:59] <alia_> I don't have windows anymore.
[06:59] <goku360> can any one tell me how to share my internet with a win xp comp.
[06:59] <Gerrath> ashok, yes, are you getting the messages I'm typing on the private channel?
[06:59] <h08817> lol
[06:59] <h08817> networking
[06:59] <alia_> But we are gonna have it on the side.
[07:00] <h08817> for some reason any other computer i have (they must be too old) won't let me install it
[07:00] <JDahl> goku360, the easiest solution would be to buy a $20-$30 router that does it for you
[07:00] <alia_> Well
[07:00] <Will_> goku360: Shorewall did it for me
[07:00] <h08817> it gives me a retarted reason like extremely bad bios
[07:00] <alia_> the only reason i have linux, is because we kept on getting viruses
[07:01] <Koby> JDah1: yes
[07:01] <alia_> and the computer kept on screwing up.
[07:01] <alia_> so now i have this thing.
[07:01] <alia_> And i am so lost.
[07:02] <alia_> hm
[07:02] <alia_> ok then.
[07:02] <tritium> alia_, is there anything in particular you have a question about?
[07:02] <h08817> me too
[07:02] <kutucape> alia_, what's up
[07:02] <h08817> me a noob need help
[07:02] <alia_> Like when i go to the sites that i used to go to.
[07:02] <h08817> i don't think u guys can help me though
[07:02] <alia_> i need all these damn plug ins.
[07:02] <h08817> firefox
[07:02] <alia_> and when i DL the plug ins.
[07:02] <JDahl> Koby, no need to PM me - if I know anything helpful, I'll let you know here
[07:02] <tritium> h08817, please ask a specific question, and we'll try
[07:02] <h08817> lol
[07:03] <alia_> they don't work
[07:03] <Big_O> ugh bastard java plugin
[07:03] <alia_> ;(
[07:03] <basti> can noone help me?
[07:03] <h08817> netgear usb
[07:03] <h08817> how i get my internet
[07:03] <lsuactiafner> wow i got a sync in 25s
[07:03] <h08817> on my network
[07:03] <peterretief> hello all, whats a good way to play a dvd
[07:03] <peterretief> movie
[07:03] <alia_> I have no idea.
[07:03] <alia_> lol.
[07:03] <h08817> linux won't recognize it except in the manager it does but it isn't installed
[07:03] <peterretief> :-)
[07:04] <alia_> the installing on linux confuses me.
[07:04] <tritium> peterretief, gxine or xine are nice players
[07:04] <basti> hm
[07:04] <alia_> When i dl things they never work!
[07:04] <alia_> ;o
[07:04] <tritium> alia_, such as?
[07:04] <basti> seems that I needs to reinstall ubuntu
[07:04] <alia_> like the flash player
[07:04] <h08817> hey there tritium
[07:04] <alia_> and macromedia player thing.
[07:04] <tritium> alia_, downloaded with synaptic or apt-get?
[07:04] <kutucape> alia_, you may search on ubuntuforums.org
[07:04] <tritium> hi h08817
[07:05] <mouse_> hi all
[07:05] <kutucape> hi mouse_
[07:05] <h08817> can u help me with netgear
[07:05] <alia_> synaptic?
[07:05] <mouse_> does anyone by any chance know of a good linux replacement for fineprint?
[07:05] <kutucape> how to install mozilla plugins
[07:05] <peterretief> tritium, thansk
[07:05] <tritium> peterretief, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:05] <thoreauputic> !synaptic
[07:05] <ubotu> rumour has it, synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[07:05] <Koby> JDahl: OK. I searched the net know and so an articale recommended *not*
[07:05] <kutucape> mouse_, turboprint?
[07:05] <mouse_> oh?
[07:05] <tritium> h08817, was that last question for me?  Sorry, I'm not familiar with USB netgear hardwaer.
[07:05] <kutucape> !ubuntu
[07:05] <tritium> hardware.
[07:05] <ubotu> I heard ubuntu is an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'.
[07:05] <alia_> hmmmm..
[07:06] <kutucape> :D
[07:06] <mouse_> alrite... i'll check it out
[07:06] <Big_O> if you want java youll have to either add repositories or install it yourself
[07:06] <Koby> JDahl: to intall the grub in the Master Boot Record (MBR)
[07:06] <razor23> h08817: which one? WG111 v2?
[07:06] <kutucape> !fineprint
[07:06] <Koby> JDahl: which I did
[07:06] <ubotu> kutucape: I haven't a clue
[07:06] <h08817> yes
[07:06] <h08817> WG111
[07:06] <Koby> JDahl : http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/ubuntuhoarythinkpadt42.html
[07:06] <h08817> i have the cd for windows
[07:06] <h08817> but it won't install of course on linux
[07:06] <Koby> Jdahl: Is there is a way to recover it?
[07:07] <tahorg> mouse_: what you want to do exactly ?
[07:07] <razor23> h08817: My bro has the same one, it didn't work for me
[07:07] <tahorg> mouse_: create pdf ?
[07:07] <tritium> Big_O, the best way to install java is to use java-package to build your own .deb from Sun's installer.
[07:07] <mouse_> tahorg, actually something that can print multiple pages on 1 page... if u get what i mean
[07:07] <JDahl> Koby, I have a TP40 with WinXP/Ubuntu, and I think I just followed the recommendations from the installer (/dev/hda, I think)... You could try booting from a live CD, but reinstalling might be just as fast
[07:07] <tritium> !java-package
[07:07] <ubotu> tritium: Are you smoking crack?
[07:08] <alia_> lol.
[07:08] <devios> !ftps
[07:08] <ubotu> devios: I haven't a clue
[07:08] <tritium> heh, help thoreauputic ;)
[07:08] <devios> no kidding
[07:08] <thoreauputic> !java
[07:08] <ubotu> I heard java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[07:08] <tahorg> mouse_: yes there is, but it's mainly command lines
[07:09] <thoreauputic> tritium: although that link isn't the best ( a bit confusing)
[07:09] <kutucape> !xcomposite
[07:09] <ubotu> kutucape: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[07:09] <tritium> thoreauputic, agreed.
[07:09] <kutucape> !composite
[07:09] <ubotu> kutucape: Wish i knew
[07:09] <Koby> JDahl:I tried to re-install and still get Error 17
[07:09] <mouse_> tahorg, oh? what program is that?
[07:09] <Koby> JDahl: I was able to boot the live cd
[07:09] <JDahl> Koby, also with a different choice for installing the grub?
[07:09] <h08817> tritium can u help me with why another computer i have won't just install it?
[07:09] <tahorg> mouse_: let me remember :)
[07:09] <Koby> JDahl: yes
[07:10] <mouse_> tahorg, haha... ok
[07:10] <bddebian> Heya tritium :-)
[07:10] <tritium> h08817, what's the issue?  Go ahead and ask the channel, and we'll try
[07:10] <tritium> Hello bddebian :)
[07:10] <Koby> JDahl: I tried the other partition. You want the exact configuration?
[07:10] <thoreauputic> h08817: it helps if you can tell us what error messages you got
[07:10] <h08817> ok
[07:10] <h08817> i got
[07:10] <h08817> extremely bad bios
[07:10] <h08817> isolinux found on drive=FF
[07:10] <h08817> and i know i have a good copy
[07:11] <h08817> b/c it worked on one of my other comps
[07:11] <Koby> JDahl: I also tried to you the IBMaccessKey just after rebooting and the configuration is not recognazable
[07:11] <JDahl> Koby, you just have one disk, /dev/hda? Then I think you should choose /dev/hda for grub - if that doesnt work, I cant help you further... it worked like that for me without problems
[07:11] <ed1t> is there any media converter anybody know where i can convert avi file to mpeg?
[07:11] <thoreauputic> h08817: umm... sounds like you have a bad BIOS, doesn't it?
[07:11] <tritium> ed1t, perhaps transcode
[07:12] <Koby> JDanhl: and you still have your windows XP?
[07:12] <mumbles> sigh cant remember my login for the cisco site :p
[07:12] <tritium> h08817, when does this error occur?  Trying to boot from the install CD?
[07:12] <mouse_> tahorg, hey actually i need to go off... will ask u the next time i see u... any thanks for offering ur help
[07:12] <JDahl> Koby, the accesskey wont work after you change partitions etc... it's essentially a secret 512MB partition that you boot from
[07:12] <mouse_> tahorg, later~
[07:12] <JDahl> Koby, yes, I have XP and Ubuntu
[07:12] <h08817> when trying to boot from the cd yes
[07:13] <tritium> bddebian, any luck with pyrtf or anything else?
[07:13] <thoreauputic> h08817: will that machine boot from other Cds ?
[07:13] <Koby> JDanhl: So what should I do?
[07:13] <bddebian> tritium: Well I got a weird lintian error on pyrtf that no one wants to help me with :-)
[07:13] <h08817> like what other cds?
[07:13] <h08817> i don't think i have other cds that are bootable
[07:13] <JDahl> Koby, maybe not true what I said about the accesskey.. one key just activates a fancy BIOS setup program, and another key is the "rescue key" that reinstalls everything, and that's the one that wont work
[07:14] <tritium> bddebian, oh, really?  If you haven't resolved it in a few weeks, I'll work with you.
[07:14] <nahum> Hello there
[07:14] <h08817> but i could try my win98 cd
[07:14] <bddebian> Hello nahum
[07:14] <nahum> we are form SAN JOSE CA
[07:14] <nahum> nice to chat to you all
[07:14] <bddebian> tritium: Actually I think it seems to be a dpkg problem
[07:14] <thoreauputic> h08817: well, the question I'm getting at is whether your BIOS is set to boot from CD, or if it *CAN* boot from CD at all
[07:15] <bddebian> Nice
[07:15] <JDahl> Koby, you would have to ask for help from someone who knows about rescuing linux using the live CD... boot from that and start looking at partiontables and grub
[07:15] <basti> does noone can help me with a sound problem?
[07:15] <Koby> Jdanhl: I have only one accesskey
[07:15] <h08817> well it is set to be able to boot to cd i set it as the first thing to boot to
[07:15] <othernoob> thoreauputic: how old would it have to be to be not able to boot from cd?
[07:15] <bddebian> basti: What's the issue?
[07:15] <JDahl> Koby, boot from the live CD, I mean
[07:15] <nahum> you do know any software that will allow you to make phone calls using you TCP/IP protocol
[07:15] <nahum> ???
[07:15] <Big_O> hmm can i get a link to the past bin pleas
[07:15] <thoreauputic> othernoob: at a guess, about 1998 or earlier
[07:15] <kutucape> nahum, voip?
[07:15] <Bubbling_Zombie> nahum, try skype
[07:16] <basti> bddebian, sound quality is worst, and only 2 speakers are used of 6
[07:16] <bddebian> Big_O: See /topic
[07:16] <basti> and there is manything curious
[07:16] <nahum> Not quite!!! you have to pay for it
[07:16] <Big_O> ah forgot about that one
[07:16] <basti> dont know what do do encore
[07:16] <bddebian> basti: Ah, can't help you there, sorry
[07:16] <Koby> JDanhl: You suggest to reboot the livecd and then use the accesskey?
[07:16] <basti> okay
[07:16] <basti> I'll reinstall Ubuntu
[07:16] <basti> ciao
[07:17] <bddebian> basti: You shouldh't have to do that
[07:17] <basti> what then
[07:17] <basti> ?
[07:17] <JDahl> koby, what is this accesskey you're talking about? the BIOS setup, or the system rescue button?
[07:17] <bddebian> basti: It's an option, I just don't remember where
[07:17] <basti> will set the sound system completely back
[07:17] <JDahl> koby, I am not working from my laptop right now
[07:17] <davro> :q
[07:18] <JDahl> Koby, either way, I dont think you should use the accesskey... just boot from the live cd and fix the problem
[07:18] <othernoob> basti: linux isn't windows where you have to reinstall the OS to fix a problem :p
[07:18] <basti> othernoob,  yes but I dont know anymore what to do
[07:18] <basti> I tried to fix that since 2 months
[07:18] <othernoob> then ask someone who knows ;)
[07:19] <basti> it seems that noone knows here
[07:19] <othernoob> there are more places than just this channel.
[07:19] <zerboxx> what? there are?!
[07:20] <othernoob> yea..it's a secret though, so don't tell anyone zerboxx
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> seems lately - that most of the sound problems are Unalsa-supported (newer sound card/chipsets/variations) or the mixer being Muted.
[07:21] <tritium> basti, yes, in some cases people have built newer alsa drivers.  The first check is the mixer mutes, as Dr_Willis points out.
[07:21] <mumbles-ccna> college
[07:21] <bddebian> basti: I think it might be a dmixer setting?
[07:21] <basti> yes
[07:21] <basti> checked the mixer already
[07:22] <bddebian> The hw:0,0 setting?
[07:22] <basti> ?
[07:22] <crimsun> what are you trying to do?
[07:22] <basti> where?
[07:22] <bddebian> crimsun: He is only getting sound outta two of 6 speakers
[07:22] <tritium> crimsun, :)
[07:22] <erb> hello
[07:22] <basti> and the sound is inn very bad quality
[07:23] <crimsun> right, but what are you trying to do, basti
[07:23] <crimsun> ?
[07:23] <crimsun> tritium: :)
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> sounds like some updated/semi supported chipset
[07:23] <basti> its NForce 2
[07:23] <bddebian> basti: Is it a SB Live 24 or so?
[07:23] <bddebian> Oh
[07:23] <Koby> JDahl: The "Access IBM" is probably the rescue key
[07:24] <basti> ASUS A7N8X-E deluxe
[07:24] <Koby> JDahl: F1 for bios (works for me)
[07:24] <Lufusol> hello heloo
[07:24] <basti> crimsun,  I'll fix the sound problems
[07:24] <hex_ffff> Does anyone know how to make gnome-terminal show the currently running programs in the tabs in ubuntu?
[07:24] <Koby> JDahl: How do I fix the problem after rebooting using the live cd?
[07:24] <crimsun> you should be using plug:surroundxx
[07:24] <crimsun> like plug:surround51
[07:24] <basti> crimsun dont understand
[07:24] <luzbelito> hi i cant access to my dvd player. it says error on open dvd:/ pls help. i had installed all packets for play dvd on ubuntu
[07:24] <Kyral> hmm
[07:24] <basti> first, I think, the quality should become better
[07:25] <crimsun> stop esd and use alsa directly
[07:25] <basti> and how?
[07:25] <basti> dont know how
[07:25] <Kyral> I boned my iPod mini, any idea how to restore it?
[07:25] <tritium> luzbelito, you checked this URL I gave you?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:25] <crimsun> System> Preferences> Sound> uncheck Enable sound server startup
[07:25] <JDahl> koby, ok.. you definitely dont need that the rescue button. In fact, it dont touch it all... it repartions your disk and copies winXP to it from the hidden 512MB partition
[07:25] <peterretief> sorry to be pesky, whats a quick way to check bandwidth
[07:25] <tritium> Kyral, you did so using ubuntu software?
[07:25] <crimsun> then System> Preferences> Multimedia Systems Selector> Default audio sink> ALSA
[07:26] <Kyral> tritium, I used FDisk on it, and now I'm getting a folder with an ! on it
[07:26] <crimsun> then use aplay -Dplug:surround51 foo.wav
[07:26] <crimsun> remember to adjust the relevant mixer elements
[07:26] <JDahl> Koby, boot with live CD, and use fdisk to figure out what partitions you have on /dev/hda
[07:26] <HappyFool> if i have a fasttrack tx 2000 IDE raid controller, is software raid the recommended way to use it? /usr/share/doc/mdadm/ seems to have a reasonably in-depth howto for setting up software raid.
[07:26] <tritium> Kyral, ouch.  May I ask why you did that?
[07:27] <Kyral> tritium, 'cause I couldn't update it b/c everything was read only :P
[07:27] <basti> unchecked
[07:27] <Koby> JDahl: I am new to linux so please tell me what to do
[07:27] <ed1t> wat was the name of the package for all essential stuff? essential-build?
[07:28] <basti> "crimsun then use aplay -Dplug:surround51 foo.wav" How?
[07:28] <jcoxon> build-essentials
[07:28] <Koby> JDahl: I am using the live now. And opened a treminal
[07:28] <HappyFool> ed1t: build-essential   -- that's for gcc etc
[07:28] <ed1t> thx
[07:28] <ed1t> k
[07:28] <Lufusol> Kyral: trying to install ipodlinux for PP5020?
[07:28] <Panzerboy> hey all
[07:28] <jcoxon> oh without th s sorry
[07:28] <jcoxon> *the
[07:28] <Panzerboy> are there any problems with the backports atm ?
[07:28] <crimsun> basti: did you change Multimedia Systems Selector> Default audio sink ?
[07:28] <basti> yes
[07:28] <basti> its alsa now
[07:28] <tim> is there any way in ubuntu to make it so that the "autohide" feature of the bottom bar completely hides the bar...right now it hides but still peaks out like 5 pixels and looks dumb
[07:28] <crimsun> basti: so type that aplay command in a Terminal
[07:29] <Panzerboy> i am using the  http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net link
[07:29] <Kyral> I'm gonna run the iPod Updater with WINE
[07:29] <Panzerboy> and i get the astonishing speed of 1 KB
[07:29] <Lufusol> Kyral: that's not recommended
[07:29] <Kyral> Anyway, anyone know how to fix it?
[07:30] <luzbelito> tritium i am checking now
[07:30] <luzbelito> thanks
[07:30] <basti> hmm
[07:30] <thoreauputic> Panzerboy: try one of the mirrors >> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[07:30] <JDahl> koby, you're better off asking someone who knows more about rescuing... I've never had to. But you can open an terminal and type "sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda"
[07:30] <tritium> luzbelito, good luck :)
[07:30] <basti> that plugin doesnt seem to work
[07:30] <Kyral> its device has no partitions on it
[07:30] <basti> with MP3s noz
[07:30] <basti> not
[07:31] <basti> and Wavs are still only on 2 speakers
[07:31] <tritium> basti, your mp3 and wavs are stereo, not 5.1, yes?
[07:31] <Kyral> Anyone know how to fix it?
[07:31] <basti> yes
[07:32] <crimsun> you need to use a multichannel wav or ac3, etc.
[07:32] <luzbelito> tritium: i read it, but doesnt solves my problem. i think is a permission or direction problem because xine looks for dvd:/ but i didn't has defined any mount with that alias...
[07:32] <basti> but I wanna use subwoofer and the 3 other speakers, too
[07:32] <tritium> basti, I think only 5.1 encoded streams would play on 5 speakers.
[07:32] <Lufusol> Kyral: I would have a suggestion for you if the damn ipodlinux wiki didn't keep getting defaced
[07:32] <XRayNuke> basti: you'd need some sort of upmixer software if you want to spread the love on all the other channels.
[07:32] <basti> where can I find it?
[07:32] <ashok> folks, i have a fat32 partition. how can i access that in linux
[07:32] <crimsun> basti: and did you adjust the surround and LFE mixer elements?
[07:32] <othernoob> ashok: by mounting it ;)
[07:32] <Koby> JDahl: I get to partitions. /dev/hda1/ my windows ntfs and /dev/hda2/ the linux
[07:32] <qt2> great... completly different...
[07:32] <basti> what mixer should I use?
[07:33] <Koby> JDahl: I get a message that both partitions does not end on cylinder boundry
[07:33] <JohnFlux> hey all
[07:33] <MarcC-away> darn, the nasa launch was scrubbed.
[07:33] <Lufusol> here's a question.. what's the default root password in ubuntu?  i don't recall it asking me to provide one on this last installation
[07:33] <Gourami> what do I need to open a .rar file ?
[07:33] <basti> hm
[07:33] <thoreauputic> !rootsudo
[07:33] <ubotu> methinks rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:33] <basti> in "alsamixer" surround s on
[07:33] <JohnFlux> my AC97 sound card doesn't seem to be detected.  how do I set it up?  What does ubuntu use for sound?  Alsa?
[07:34] <Lufusol> thanks.
[07:34] <HappyFool> Gourami: unrar, or maybe unrar-nonfree (both available via synaptic)
[07:34] <crimsun> JohnFlux: lspci -v|grep audio
[07:34] <JDahl> Koby, paste the output here (if it's less than 5 lines); maybe someone else spots something fishy - you might want to get a swap partition also
[07:34] <Kyral> Lufusol, so this would work completely?
[07:34] <Gourami> thanks HappyFool , how are you today ?
[07:34] <Kyral> Lufusol, ie, I could use my music again?
[07:34] <tritium> crimsun, at work now?
[07:34] <Panzerboy> thoreauputic: thanks, it works better now
[07:34] <HappyFool> Gourami: fine thanks, yourself?
[07:34] <luzbelito> anyone who has dvd configured can help me please ???
[07:34] <Gourami> HappyFool: I'm good :)
[07:34] <Tomcat_> luzbelito: Just ask your question here.
[07:34] <thoreauputic> Panzerboy: you're welcome :)
[07:35] <Lufusol> Kyral: probably not, but you will be lucky to get your ipod working again at all
[07:35] <JohnFlux> crimsun: Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc, IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller
[07:35] <swarm> is ubuntu hoary using esd by default?
[07:35] <lsuactiafner> luzbelito : what do you mean dvd configured?
[07:35] <crimsun> tritium: yep, taking a lunch break?
[07:35] <crimsun> swarm: yes
[07:35] <luzbelito> tomcat and everyone: i can't play dvd. i installed plugins, everyone. but when i put a dvd, xine and totem can't open it
[07:35] <Lufusol> Kyral: actually it depends how you botched it as to whether your music partition will be fine or not
[07:35] <crimsun> !tell JohnFlux about alsa-source
[07:35] <crimsun> JohnFlux: the driver you want to choose is snd_atiixp
[07:35] <Koby> JDahl: What it is a swap partition?
[07:35] <swarm> crimsun: and why most multimedia apps doesn't work with it on default conf?
[07:35] <basti> is it sensefull to try the nvidia drivers again
[07:35] <luzbelito> sometimes says is not dvd:/ address and others is not plugin (?)
[07:35] <basti> ?
[07:35] <crimsun> swarm: "most?"
[07:36] <Tomcat_> luzbelito: Is it a commercial DVD or a free/open DVD?
[07:36] <crimsun> basti: no, that would be madness
[07:36] <Kyral> Lufusol, I have all the music on my HD :P
[07:36] <basti> oh
[07:36] <tritium> crimsun, yep.
[07:36] <Lufusol> Koby: swap partition is like the pagefile in windows, it's where the OS puts stuff that doesn't fit into physical memory when it's not immediately needed
[07:36] <swarm> crimsun: isn't totem an app defined as a default helper for video and audio in ubuntu hoary?
[07:36] <othernoob> Tomcat_: would that really matter?
[07:36] <basti> but how do use XMMS with Subwoofer and rear speakers
[07:36] <Tomcat_> othernoob: Maybe that error comes up when libdvdcss is missing? I don't know, might be a reason. :)
[07:36] <tritium> luzbelito, have you tried gxine?  Also, you can set the device that xine/gxine use in the preferences.
[07:37] <JohnFlux> crimsun: thanks.  Is there a reason the driver isn't installed by default?
[07:37] <basti> in windows, its possible in nVidia driver to clone the 2 front channels to the rear's and mix them to center
[07:37] <othernoob> Tomcat_: could be, but i think it's simply his configuration of the player
[07:37] <swarm> crimsun: anyway apps like totem, gxine, xfmedia crashes gdm while other apps (like xmms) look for different audio driver like alsa or oss. And I'm using default conf got through apt-get.
[07:37] <crimsun> swarm: it works fine here.
[07:37] <Koby> ubuntu@dhcp38-036:~$ sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[07:37] <Koby> Disk /dev/hda: 40.0 GB, 40007761920 bytes
[07:37] <Koby> 16 heads, 63 sectors/track, 77520 cylinders
[07:37] <Koby> Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 = 516096 bytes
[07:37] <luzbelito> is a movie dvd. i can play it before install windows and my dvd player
[07:37] <Koby>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[07:37] <Tomcat_> othernoob: Probably... :)
[07:37] <Koby> /dev/hda1               1       70695    35630248+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[07:37] <JohnFlux> crimsun: also does that mean the atixp  isn't a standard AC97  - i thought the AC97's meant one-driver-for-all, no ?
[07:37] <Koby> Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
[07:37] <Koby> /dev/hda2           73425       77520     2064352+  83  Linux
[07:37] <basti> and I can enable subwoofer
[07:37] <Koby> Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary.
[07:37] <swarm> crimsun: I'm on amd64 using ubuntu hoary for amd64.
[07:37] <luzbelito> tritium: what is gxine? i will install it now
[07:37] <Tomcat_> luzbelito: And you do have libdvdcss?
[07:37] <basti> how to do so in ubuntu?
[07:37] <othernoob> Koby:  what do you think is the purpose of pastebin.com?
[07:37] <luzbelito> yes
[07:38] <crimsun> JohnFlux: The reason it doesn't come by default is because the kernel that Hoary ships with doesn't even have that driver.
[07:38] <Koby> I dont know
[07:38] <Lufusol> Kyral: did you follow these instructions? http://www.ipodlinux.org/Installation_from_Linux
[07:38] <tritium> luzbelito, it's a gtk+ interface to xine.  You might like it.
[07:38] <othernoob> Koby: i can see that ;)
[07:38] <thoreauputic> Koby: please read the channel topic
[07:38] <crimsun> JohnFlux: the driver is shipped externally in the alsa-source package, which is many months newer.
[07:38] <gangalee> how do I find out my disk geometry?
[07:38] <luzbelito> i had installed gxine
[07:38] <JohnFlux> crimsun: thanks
[07:38] <luzbelito> i dont remember it was, looking with apt-get says its installed
[07:38] <h08817> hey is it possible to get an update for my bios?
[07:38] <dyllan> hey guys.. .
[07:38] <othernoob> luzbelito: have you tried vlc as your player?
[07:38] <swarm> crimsun: I guess the problem is that and if I'm not the only amd64/ubuntu user it could be a good idea to consider such problems that make ubuntu unusable for fun. Ubuntu anyway is ok for most of work usage patterns I need.
[07:38] <bddebian> Hello dyllan
[07:38] <Koby> it is ubuntu?
[07:38] <gangalee> I created a new partition and I'm trying to find it and format it
[07:38] <luzbelito> what is vlc?
[07:39] <luzbelito> a new player?
[07:39] <othernoob> h08817: probably, look at your manufacturers site
[07:39] <devios> luzbelito: video player
[07:39] <luzbelito> i will download now
[07:39] <tritium> luzbelito, give it a try.  And if you're trying to play a commercial dvd, you'll want libdvdcss2
[07:39] <Lufusol> h08817: if there is an update for your BIOS it has nothing to do with linux
[07:39] <gangalee> vlc is nice!
[07:39] <h08817> ok
[07:39] <JohnFlux> luzbelito: not that new..
[07:39] <basti> vlc is videolanclient
[07:39] <h08817> thats ok
[07:39] <JohnFlux> not that many use it as a lan client
[07:39] <h08817> i just need a update so maybe my ocmputer will boot ot the cd
[07:39] <JDahl> I asked Koby to paste his fdisk output... sorry about that
[07:39] <luzbelito> but i dont wan  a lan client
[07:39] <tim> anyone know how I can set the the next/prev keys on my my multimedia keyboard to control rhythmbox
[07:39] <luzbelito> i just wanna to play on my pc
[07:39] <luzbelito> :-(
[07:40] <tritium> How are you, JDahl?
[07:40] <tritium> luzbelito, you can...
[07:40] <crimsun> swarm: no, what you describe is a simple packaging issue. It will go away in Breezy simply due to esd being backburnered.
[07:40] <JDahl> Koby, what program did you use to partition the disks?
[07:40] <thoreauputic> luzbelito: vlc does that too :)
[07:40] <luzbelito> sorry my english too, but this problem is driving crazy me... i will try vlc
[07:40] <lsuactiafner> luzbelito : install mplayer, screw those other players.. also, after you have installed mplayer, join #mplayer for video help
[07:40] <basti> no further help for me?
[07:40] <luzbelito> will come back in a few minutes
[07:40] <crimsun> basti: please be patient
[07:40] <luzbelito> thanks to all
[07:40] <basti> okay
[07:40] <luzbelito> vlc is installed
[07:40] <othernoob> lsuactiafner: why do you think that mplayer is the greatest?
[07:40] <JDahl> tritium, hey! pretty good actually... taking a few days off and enjoying the good weather... how about you? finished your thesis?
[07:40] <tritium> luzbelito, if you like xine, we can get it working.  No need to give up on it.
[07:41] <luzbelito> ok tritium lets keep trying
[07:41] <tritium> JDahl, heh, not quite.  I was supposed to have it turned in Monday, but my committee gave me until Friday.  :)
[07:41] <luzbelito> VLC HAS OPENED THE DVD !!!!
[07:41] <Koby> JDanhl: I used ubuntu installation program
[07:41] <luzbelito> but xine :-(
[07:41] <lsuactiafner> othernoob : look @ freshmeat.net .. mplayer is the most downloaded multimedia package, i'm 1 of the 70% of ppl that prefer mplayer
[07:41] <crimsun> basti: ok, so have you located a 5.1 wav file or mp3?
[07:41] <tritium> luzbelito, probably a simple change to xine's settings would also have worked.
[07:41] <luzbelito> why is it happening
[07:42] <basti> i have one
[07:42] <dylan_> is there an alternative to RoboForm for Linux?
[07:42] <othernoob> lsuactiafner: and that means anything? so far windows is the most used OS my friend ;)
[07:42] <luzbelito> tritum what i must to watch in xine configuration ?
[07:42] <basti> from fraunhofer institute
[07:42] <basti> surround seems to work
[07:42] <basti> vut I havent heard the subwoofer...
[07:42] <thoreauputic> lsuactiafner: mplayer is fine, but sometimes people have more luck with xine or vlc - it depends
[07:42] <crimsun> basti: did you adjust LFE?
[07:42] <lsuactiafner> othernoob : but its not the most downloaded os (:
[07:42] <luzbelito> i am at settings right now
[07:42] <othernoob> lsuactiafner: it's the most pirated, i'm quite sure it's downloaded as much as linux :p
[07:43] <lsuactiafner> othernoob : you have a link for me? nehahah (;
[07:43] <basti> crimsun,  where ca I adjust it?
[07:43] <crimsun> basti: alsamixer
[07:43] <basti> hm
[07:43] <tritium> lsuactiafner, no, not here.
[07:43] <othernoob> lsuactiafner: lol, you really want it? :p
[07:43] <luzbelito> i can see al configuration in xine now
[07:43] <luzbelito> what i do
[07:43] <lsuactiafner> nah, i dont need windows
[07:43] <tritium> othernoob, no, please don't.
[07:43] <norwyn> what is the easiest way to digitalise books in ubuntu?
[07:43] <JDahl> Koby, I used a windows program "partition magic" to change my partitions... you've probably found the root of your problems, at least
[07:43] <basti> hot to toggle on/off in alsamixer?
[07:43] <swarm> crimsun: yes it seems like there is a basic conflict that make all such apps crash and make gdm restart. Anyway it makes ubuntu hoary unusable for "fun" on amd64 and yes, I'm waiting for breezy but it's expected in october, not tomorrow. Anyway I've decided to remain in ubuntu and to not switch back to debian sarge on this amd64 machine.
[07:44] <crimsun> 'm'
[07:44] <othernoob> tritium: i wasn't offering.
[07:44] <jasper1> hello. i went to network settings and deleted the rows of hosts. now when GNOME loads it says: Could not look up internet address for ubuntu. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding ubuntu to the /etc/hosts file. Can anyone help me.
[07:44] <tritium> othernoob, ok, thanks.
[07:44] <crimsun> swarm: does the 32-bit install work any better?
[07:44] <Koby> JDanhl: So what next?
[07:44] <othernoob> tritium: besides that, everyone with the greater knowledge of how to use google could find it easily ;)
[07:44] <bddebian> jasper1: Look at your /etc/resolv.conf file
[07:44] <swarm> crimsun: yes
[07:44] <Koby> JDanhl: I dont have a WinXP Pro cd/dvd? IBM puts them in the harddisk itself
[07:44] <crimsun> swarm: I would use that
[07:45] <jasper1> bddebian: will this file help?
[07:45] <tritium> luzbelito, if your system doesn't have a /dev/dvd symlink, you can set xine to use /dev/hdb, or whichever your DVD drive is.
[07:45] <bddebian> jasper1: That is where you define where your DNS servers are
[07:45] <jasper1> bddebian: i see. but what should i edit there?
[07:45] <tritium> othernoob, right, and we don't want to have warez be a topic of discussion here, so I appreciate you not pasting a link :)
[07:46] <swarm> crimsun: I'm using cpu intensively and the ratio is 1:5 between 32 and 64 for the apps I use (simulations). So I'm not sure I'll temporarily switch to ubuntu hoary 32 bit.
[07:46] <bddebian> jasper1: If is is empty, you need to add your DNS servers to that file
[07:46] <jasper1> bddebian: my ISP DNS servers?
[07:46] <JDahl> Koby, I dont know... I had the similar problems. In the end I ordered rescue CDs from IBM (they ship for free), redid partition and reinstalled... but it was tricky because the rescue CDs kept wiping my partitions - not a very linux friendly approach
[07:46] <othernoob> tritium: why do i get the feeling that you think i'm a pirate?
[07:46] <Lufusol> Ok I'm on one of the windows boxes here because XChat IRC fails ident when I try and log on to freenode
[07:46] <luzbelito> tritium: in wich option can i change it? i think iuts /dev/hdc/
[07:46] <bddebian> jasper1: Probably, unless you are hosting you're own
[07:46] <bddebian> your
[07:46] <tritium> othernoob, no, I don't.
[07:46] <Lufusol> can someone tell me how to fix this?
[07:46] <othernoob> tritium: but you're implying ;)
[07:46] <jasper1> bddebian: ok. thanks. i'll try it :)
[07:47] <tritium> othernoob, no, honest.
[07:47] <luzbelito> in device used for audio, says /dev/cdrom
[07:47] <Koby> JDah1: How can I order the cds from IBM?
[07:47] <flexs> my ubuntu is not so fast as my computer is.... i have 2Ghz, RAM 256.... he runs to slow, windows 2000 on my computer works fast, how can i speed up my ubutu, help ?
[07:47] <crimsun> swarm: simulations? You probably wouldn't want sound crufting in the background anyhow.
[07:47] <JDahl> Koby, so I had to shrink partitions with partition magic... it would be easier to just partitions your disk first with the live CD, then install winXP on one partition and finally install Ubuntu on the remaining partition
[07:47] <norwyn> anyone that is good at scanning books in linux?
[07:47] <thoreauputic> Lufusol: xchat should still connect without ident - it will just take a while longer
[07:47] <tritium> luzbelito, you may have to change the experience level in order to see the setting.
[07:47] <basti> should I enable down mixes?
[07:48] <luzbelito> yes i changed it to master of the universe
[07:48] <tritium> swarm, what kind of simulations?
[07:48] <luzbelito> i see all options
[07:48] <tritium> luzbelito, great.
[07:48] <luzbelito> but i dont know wich one switch
[07:48] <JDahl> Koby, you'll have figure out how to order CDs yourself.. I am on holiday - not substituting for IBM tech support
[07:48] <swarm> tritium: p2p and grid
[07:48] <flexs> my ubuntu is not so fast as my computer is.... i have 2Ghz, RAM 256.... he runs to slow, windows 2000 on my computer works fast, how can i speed up my ubutu, help ?
[07:48] <tritium> luzbelito, I can tell you which it is on gxine...
[07:48] <erb> theres something wrong with synaptic, when i try to install something it always tell me "Incorrect MD5Sum", help me pls.(im using ubuntuguide.org's repositories list)
[07:48] <othernoob> JDahl: why do you think it'd be easier to use the live cd to partition, then install xp, and then ubuntu?
[07:48] <Koby> JDahl: I asked because you told me you did so ;-)
[07:48] <tritium> luzbelito, media->dvd->device
[07:49] <flexs> erb: install with apt-get...
[07:49] <Koby> JDanhl: what is partition magic? I dont want to loose all the stuff I had there
[07:49] <GigaClon> what are super cow power?
[07:49] <GigaClon> s?
[07:49] <othernoob> JDahl: why not simply make one partition with the WinCD and do the linux partitioning with the ubuntu cd?
[07:49] <GigaClon> powers?
[07:49] <flexs> my ubuntu is not so fast as my computer is.... i have 2Ghz, RAM 256.... he runs to slow, windows 2000 on my computer works fast, how can i speed up my ubutu, help ?
[07:49] <tritium> GigaClon, ?
[07:49] <crimsun> swarm: which grid engine are you using?
[07:49] <thoreauputic> flexs: please, no need to repeat
[07:49] <luzbelito> tritium: i am in media > i thanged dvd to /dev/hdc
[07:49] <erb> its equals, synatpic is like apt-get ...
[07:49] <JDahl> othernoob, It's definitely easier to install on separate partitions to begin with
[07:49] <lsuactiafner> flexs : get more ram or change gnome window manager to fluxbox
[07:49] <qt2> any idea how i would do a windows style "file and printer sharing" between two ubuntu boxes?
[07:49] <othernoob> JDahl: not really.
[07:50] <othernoob> JDahl: it requires more cds and more time.
[07:50] <swarm> crimsun: globus for production grid
[07:50] <tritium> luzbelito, ok
[07:50] <gangalee> how do I add blank disk space to Hoary?
[07:50] <GigaClon> this from aptitude --help   This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers.
[07:50] <flexs> what is fluxbox ?
[07:50] <luzbelito> tritium: how i open it now?
[07:50] <crimsun> swarm: interesting, and what powers your backend?
[07:50] <JDahl> Koby, shrinking partitions is what caused Koby his problems to begin with
[07:50] <luzbelito> tritium: i am trying to load from file, but can't open it
[07:50] <JDahl> othernoob, that was for you
[07:50] <swarm> crimsun: what do you mean?
[07:51] <crimsun> swarm: what's harvesting the actual cpu cycles?
[07:51] <tritium> luzbelito, not from file.  Use the dvd button
[07:51] <lsuactiafner> flexs : another window manager (gui) that is more simplistic and it uses less ram
[07:51] <luzbelito> OPENED !!!!!! VICTORYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
[07:51] <tritium> luzbelito, :)
[07:51] <flexs> where can i download it ?
[07:51] <luzbelito> TRITIUM: THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
[07:51] <swarm> crimsun: I'm not using production grid, I'm working on algorithms simulation
[07:51] <Ubuntian> vmware installed on ubuntu would allow me to launch windows apps?
[07:51] <crimsun> swarm: are you allowing globus to manage it transparently, or are you harnessing another backend?
[07:51] <tritium> luzbelito, you're welcome.
[07:51] <Tomcat_> So the only problem was that the dvd:/ link was wrong?
[07:51] <Koby> JDahl: so what is partition magic?
[07:51] <othernoob> JDahl: because he did something wrong.
[07:51] <devios> could anyone explain at a really high level how to set up virtual enviroments such that someone using the virtual environment would have no idea it was virtual and such that software installed in the virtual environment would also be unaffected?  is there a name for this?  are there guides out there?
[07:51] <swarm> crimsun: anyway it's mostly about montecarlo simulations afaik
[07:51] <Tomcat_> Damn, I would've known that problem as well. :)
[07:51] <othernoob> Koby: a commercial partitioning program
[07:51] <flexs> Ubuntian : yes
[07:52] <sJaM> does flexs needs to use another fw if he have a 2GH 256 MB comp ?
[07:52] <gangalee> no one can help me, it's like Koby's issue...
[07:52] <gangalee> ?
[07:52] <luzbelito> thanks a lot, that its the reason that i say linux community is the best of computers
[07:52] <tritium> swarm, ugh, please don't say that
[07:52] <sJaM> I have a 533 MHz 320 MB and it works fine
[07:52] <othernoob> gangalee: what's your problem
[07:52] <swarm> tritium: why?
[07:52] <Ubuntian> flexs, do i need to install windows on top of vmware?
[07:52] <tritium> swarm, just kidding, I've been running simulations for months now
[07:52] <gangalee> how do I add blank disk/partitions?
[07:52] <basti> hm
[07:52] <flexs> sJaM : where is my problem ? canb you help ?
[07:52] <lsuactiafner> sJaM : 256mb ram is very small.. also he didnt indicate if he has a swap now that i think about it
[07:52] <othernoob> gangalee: by mounting the partitions
[07:52] <crimsun> tritium: defense coming up?
[07:52] <gangalee> I think I have to format it 1st...
[07:52] <tritium> swarm, so I'm a bit tired of them :)
[07:52] <swarm> tritium: working on grid computing?
[07:52] <adwait> gangalee: use qparted
[07:52] <tritium> crimsun, yes, next Friday!
[07:52] <flexs> Ubuntina : yes....
[07:53] <Ubuntian> k
[07:53] <crimsun> tritium: rockin'
[07:53] <Ubuntian> thanks flexs
[07:53] <swarm> tritium: and, simulations of what?
[07:53] <tritium> swarm, no, radar detection
[07:53] <lsuactiafner> tho my ubuntu runs on 128mb ram (uses 128 but i got 1G)
[07:53] <sJaM> I have with firefox, gaim and xchat 180 MB
[07:53] <tritium> crimsun, then I get my life back :)
[07:53] <gangalee> adwait: what's the path for qparted (my system is messed up, otherwise I'd 'whrereis')?
[07:53] <basti> crimsun,  now, rear and front speakers work
[07:53] <crimsun> tritium: take a nice vacation, you need one! :)
[07:53] <sJaM> with apache, mysql and postmaster
[07:53] <basti> but center and subwoofer not
[07:53] <sJaM> so it should run
[07:53] <JDahl> tritium, life after grad-school is overrated
[07:53] <crimsun> basti: did you adjust Surround, Center, and LFE?
[07:54] <tritium> crimsun, thanks!
[07:54] <crimsun> JDahl: depends where you work :)
[07:54] <basti> crimsun,  yesm, but should I enable down mixes?
[07:54] <crimsun> or which postdoc grabs you
[07:54] <HappyFool> JDahl: relief after finishing isn't ;)
[07:54] <erb> somebody pls., give me a "sources.list"(for hoary), what is works correctly, i cant install anything
[07:54] <tritium> JDahl, well I'm not doing a post-doc :)
[07:54] <crimsun> basti: downmixes?
[07:54] <othernoob> gangalee: you'll have to install it first
[07:54] <thoreauputic> !sources
[07:54] <ubotu> somebody said sources was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[07:55] <basti> for example "Surround Downmix"
[07:55] <tritium> thoreauputic rocks
[07:55] <luzbelito> ok. dvd is working now. but i cant copy dvd movie into blank dvd. how can i do it ???
[07:55] <basti> ro "Center/LFE DOwn mix"
[07:55] <crimsun> basti: depends if you want it all to 2 speakers
[07:55] <GigaClon> this from aptitude --help   This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers.
[07:55] <GigaClon> what is that
[07:55] <erb> thank u
[07:55] <basti> crimsun,  2 speakers?
[07:55] <basti> I will use all speakers
[07:55] <HappyFool> GigaClon: a joke, one imagines
[07:56] <crimsun> basti: so you don't want to downmix
[07:56] <basti> okay
[07:56] <tritium> GigaClon, try "apt-get moo" and see if you get any cow powers ;)
[07:56] <basti> so off
[07:56] <thoreauputic> GigaClon: it's a little joke : try typing ` apt-get moo ` in a terminal :)
[07:56] <gangalee> othernoob: there's another way, I've done it before. Can't remember right now. something like I format the partition then add it to /etc/fstab & mtab
[07:56] <WildTangent> @Gigaclon, try doing sudo apt-get install moo ;)
[07:56] <lsuactiafner> lol
[07:56] <othernoob> gangalee: that would be mounting the partition...
[07:56] <othernoob> the existing partition..
[07:57] <gangalee> othernoob: OK, how do I get a listing of all the partitions on my system, mounted or not?
[07:58] <adwait> gangalee: fdisk -l
[07:58] <Kyral> Yah, I completely boned my IPod
[07:58] <luzbelito> ok. dvd is working now. but i cant copy dvd movie into blank dvd. how can i do it ???
[07:58] <gangalee> ahh! Thx!
[07:58] <Kyral> Gotta find someone with a XP Machine to restore it
[07:58] <flexs> how to reconfigure xserver in kubuntu ?
[07:59] <tritium> flexs, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[07:59] <othernoob> adwait, he'll need sudo for that ;)
[07:59] <basti> crimsun,  it doesnt work
[07:59] <flexs> tritium : thanx
[07:59] <crimsun> basti: amixer output to pastebin
[07:59] <adwait> othernoob: i guessed he would get that, whn ubuntu tells to be root
[07:59] <adwait> :)
[07:59] <othernoob> :)
[08:00] <HappyFool> adwait: fdisk -l  doesn't ask; just lists nothing
[08:00] <othernoob> it doesn't always though
[08:00] <ed1t> sources.list is in /etc/ right?
[08:00] <basti> how?
[08:00] <Lufusol> so about XChat, if someone can tell me how to ident please msg me, i'm having a hard time following this window and helping others
[08:00] <adwait> HappyFool: ooh yeah........hmm.....well, it should ask
[08:00] <HappyFool> ed1t: in /etc/apt
[08:00] <othernoob> ed1t: /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:00] <adwait> ed1t: /etc/apt
[08:00] <bddebian> ed1t: /etc/apt
[08:00] <ed1t> ahhh
[08:00] <ed1t> thx
[08:00] <luzbelito> anyone can tell me how to copy a dvd movie on the fly under ubuntu please ???
[08:00] <crimsun> basti: using a mouse
[08:00] <bddebian> heh
[08:00] <thoreauputic> ed1t: /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:00] <basti> pastebin?
[08:01] <normal1> hey how do you install .deb packages ?
[08:01] <crimsun> basti: see the topic
[08:01] <HappyFool> luzbelito: maybe k3b will help -- otherwise, try maybe 'apt-cache search dvd' or use the search function in synaptic. Google might help too.
[08:01] <bddebian> normal1: dpkg -i
[08:01] <tritium> luzbelito, try this search, and then check out the results: "apt-cache search dvd | grep copy"
[08:01] <adwait> normal1: sudo dpkh -i <whtever.deb>
[08:01] <othernoob> normal1: sudo dpkg -i xyz.deb
[08:01] <adwait> *dpkg
[08:01] <normal1> cool thanks man
[08:02] <Chillout> hi, i want to install a package with synaptic (via reps i added). the package is shown but when i try to install it, synaptiv says that it cant because the package requires python <2.4 but ubuntu has 2.4.1. anyone know how i could work around that?
[08:02] <luzbelito> yeah, just 2 programs listed with grep. i had k3b installed, but it can't compress dvd to copy (if not says dvd file is too large) :-(
[08:02] <basti> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/553
[08:02] <othernoob> luzbelito: use wine with dvdshrink if you must.
[08:02] <flexs> how can i set default windows ( like kde, gnome, fluxbox ) ?
[08:02] <tritium> luzbelito, you might also try the same search, but replace "copy" with "rip"
[08:03] <lsuactiafner> flexs : gdm should give you the option on the login screen
[08:03] <luzbelito> othernoob: i try to do that, but dvd shrink doesnt recognizes my dvd media. i try to configure under wine, but no success
[08:03] <thoreauputic> Chillout: that happens when you add random 3rd party repos
[08:03] <ed1t> is there any way i can make my own repositories, so say firefox 1.0.5 comes out, i can just put it on my repositories and it will automatically update it
[08:03] <ed1t> ?
[08:03] <ed1t> it will be for my own use
[08:03] <othernoob> luzbelito: there are guides on howto configure wine+dvdshrink online. use google
[08:03] <luzbelito> dvdbackup ??
[08:03] <othernoob> ive seen plenty for ubuntu
[08:03] <adwait> ed1t: why not just download the installation file and install
[08:04] <HappyFool> Chillout: maybe you can install the python2.3 package, i don't know if there'll be any conflicts
[08:04] <lsuactiafner> ed1t : thats what apt-get update and upgrade does
[08:04] <ed1t> adwait, id rather do the automatic one
[08:04] <luzbelito> othernoob: i used that guides. but i get an error that is not writed on them
[08:04] <basti> shortly afk
[08:04] <tritium> adwait, it's nice to have packages under apt management
[08:04] <ed1t> lsuactiafner, yea but i wanna have my own
[08:04] <HappyFool> Chillout: also, python apps are typically fairly easy to install, if they have a 'setup.py' file in their source
[08:04] <Chillout> thoreauputic: well, i didnt at just randomly
[08:04] <othernoob> luzbelito: ask in #winehq then maybe
[08:04] <lsuactiafner> ed1t : what do you mean your own? a repository is a file server that mirros apt-get .deb packages
[08:04] <adwait> tritium, ed1t : hmm......i guess the automatic downloading of dependencies is a plus
[08:04] <Chillout> its for http://sourceforge.net/projects/bibus-biblio/ which is a final release...
[08:05] <luzbelito> thank othernoob, i will
[08:05] <othernoob> no prob
[08:05] <ed1t> adwait, can i make it like that on my own?
[08:05] <basti> back
[08:05] <normal1> anyone have proablems installing smeg ?
[08:06] <adwait> ed1t: no idea...
[08:06] <lsuactiafner> ed1t : yeh if you develop your own ubuntu/debian linux distribution...
[08:06] <ed1t> hmmm
[08:06] <seb__> bonjour j'ai besoin d'aide
[08:06] <seb__> j'ai install le driver nvidia pour ma carte
[08:07] <ed1t> did ubuntu got 1.0.5 updated on their repositories?
[08:07] <Chillout> HappyFool: thats what i also tried, i started well, but then told sth, that it could write the config file and that i should do in manually, unfortunately i dont know which file the config file is. i am new to linux/ubuntu and also have no clue about python. but i worked my why thru all install stuff till this damn error.... i would be happy if you could try & gimme a hand....
[08:07] <seb__> et maintenant la rsolution de l'cran est bizzare
[08:07] <lsuactiafner> ed1t : firefox 1.0.5 aint out is it?
[08:07] <HappyFool> Chillout: sorry, what did you try? the first or second suggestion?
[08:07] <thoreauputic> seb__: tu auras plus de chance au canal #ubuntu-fr je crois
[08:07] <othernoob> seb__: #ubuntu-fr
[08:07] <normal1> how did you guys download smeg ?
[08:07] <Amaranth> normal1: It's in backports
[08:08] <lsuactiafner> normal1 : tcp/ip packets..
[08:08] <lsuactiafner> jks (;
[08:08] <normal1> so how do i get it
[08:08] <normal1> i tryed apt-get its not there
[08:08] <ashok> where can download jre ?
[08:08] <Chillout> HappyFool: oh sorry, well i have installed python 2.2. and 2.3 already. then i had already tried ur 2nd suggestions.... ending up with the erro mentioned ^^
[08:08] <seth_k> it's in hoary-extras methinks
[08:08] <lsuactiafner> mo idea.. get source maybe?
[08:08] <normal1> i downloaded the .deb but it says it is messing stuff
[08:08] <geargolem> is xfree86 worth it to change to?
[08:08] <HappyFool> Chillout: so installing python2.3 didn't help?
[08:09] <luzbelito> i am trying with dvd::rip now , but it says permission denied at /usr/share/perl5/Video/DVDRip/project.pm line 261. any help ???
[08:09] <cmatheson> geargolem: why would you ever change to xfree86?
[08:09] <tritium> ashok, you're best off grabbing Sun's installer, and building a .deb with make-jpkg (in the package called "java-package")
[08:09] <normal1> amaranth: what do you mean by backported
[08:09] <Chillout> HappyFool: unfortunately not. synaptic still gives me python <2.4 required but 2.4.1 installed....
[08:09] <geargolem> cmatheson, thats why i'm asking first
[08:09] <Amaranth> normal1: http://backports.ubuntuforums.com
[08:09] <HappyFool> Chillout: huh. ok
[08:09] <cmatheson> geargolem: no, xorg is better than xfree86
[08:10] <lsuactiafner> luzbelito : install mplayer, its got a nice ripper.. look into vobcopy -l also
[08:10] <luzbelito> lsuactiafner: i had mplayer installed. but i cant use it
[08:10] <normal1> hmmm i'll check it out thanks
[08:10] <lsuactiafner> luzbelito : why not? mencoder it the mplayer encoder
[08:10] <othernoob> tritium why is that the best option when it can be obtained by adding it to the sources.list?
[08:10] <ashok> i could find jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin
[08:11] <luzbelito> it says an error when i open
[08:11] <HappyFool> Chillout: ok, can you paste the error you get here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:11] <ashok> is this the one ?
[08:11] <othernoob> ashok: yes that'd be the one
[08:11] <tritium> othernoob, adding which repo to your sources.list?
[08:11] <Chillout> HappyFool: ok, gimme a minute
[08:11] <luzbelito> lsuactiafner: i had mplayer opened now. no option to copy dvd on the fly
[08:11] <othernoob> tritium: a mirror from http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java-linux-d2.html
[08:11] <tritium> ashok, cool, now install java-package, and make a .deb :)
[08:11] <ashok> what shld i do after downloading that ?
[08:11] <luzbelito> movie dvd, or decode it and copy
[08:12] <tritium> othernoob, I encourage you to check out java-package.  It's in the ubuntu (and debian) official repos, for one thing.
[08:12] <basti> crimsun, found the issue?
[08:12] <sJaM> tritium, that are old java packages though
[08:12] <othernoob> tritium: i hardly ever use apt ;)
[08:13] <wza_> anyone an idea how to mount a Lacie ethernet disk from linux?
[08:13] <lsuactiafner> luzbelito : mencoder dvd://1 -o output_file.avi -oac copy -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4
[08:13] <sJaM> othernoob, that is the power of debian
[08:13] <tritium> sJaM, which are old java packages?  blackdown?  I'm not recommending them.
[08:13] <sJaM> one of the powers
[08:13] <othernoob> sJaM: precompiled packages is a power?
[08:13] <lsuactiafner> luzbelito : man mplayer
[08:13] <tritium> othernoob, sure
[08:13] <sJaM> othernoob, apt can also build from source
[08:13] <sJaM> but it sure is
[08:13] <sJaM> I have been using gentoo
[08:13] <sJaM> for a few months
[08:13] <lsuactiafner> luzbelito : thats the basic encoding line, but there is 3 pass encodin thats much better, i got a script to help you if need really be
[08:14] <sJaM> but with debian it alwyas works
[08:14] <aedwards> how do you configure alsa sound driver?
[08:14] <luzbelito> lsuactiafner: yes. please help me
[08:14] <othernoob> sJaM: i tend to compile myself :)
[08:14] <aedwards> for some reason all im getting are system sounds and nothing else
[08:14] <sJaM> well it is good for certain packages
[08:14] <sJaM> which really benefits from the extra registers
[08:14] <nomed> hi all :)
[08:14] <lsuactiafner> luzbelito : that line i pasted should encode it, just 3 pass encoding takes 6 times longer and is much better
[08:14] <sJaM> mmx and others
[08:14] <aedwards> how do you configure alsa sound driver?
[08:14] <tritium> othernoob, it's most certainly a power, especially for people who don't have time to be compiling all the time, and have other work to do.
[08:14] <sJaM> but for most it doesn't matter
[08:14] <aedwards> for some reason all im getting are system sounds and nothing else
[08:14] <nomed> do you know where i can find a gimp format of ubuntu logo ?
[08:15] <luzbelito> lsuactiafner
[08:15] <othernoob> tritium: sure. but so are .rpms ;) and most .deb people don't like .rpms
[08:15] <martigan> same here aedwards :S
[08:15] <luzbelito> lsuactiafner: but i wanna to copy it to another dvd, like dvd shrink in windows. you stand me ?
[08:15] <lsuactiafner> nomed : xcf? jpg should do just fine unless there was layers ect in the original copy of the logo
[08:15] <nomed> aedwards, i don't know why alsaconfig has been removed
[08:15] <sJaM> like for mplayer it can be a real performance bettering if you compile it from sorce othernoob
[08:15] <luzbelito> lsuactiafner: not rip dvd to divx
[08:15] <othernoob> sJaM: i know :)
[08:15] <sJaM> and if you can use apt to get the sources
[08:15] <lsuactiafner> luzbelito : vobcopy then, also man man vobcopy
[08:15] <nomed> lsuactiafner, xcf .. it was perfect
[08:15] <aedwards> is there another driver that can be used....
[08:16] <sJaM> although mplayer isn't in the apt repos
[08:16] <sJaM> but for things as bash
[08:16] <tritium> See you all later.
[08:16] <luzbelito> lsuactiafner: no man for vobcopyu
[08:16] <aedwards> cuz i have a shit load of movies and mp3's i cant even use.
[08:16] <othernoob> see ya tritium
[08:16] <lsuactiafner> luzbelito : if you read the manual there should be options to copy only selected files to make the resulting .vob smaller
[08:16] <sJaM> and things like that, you really wouldn't notice the different
[08:16] <tritium> othernoob, bye
[08:16] <sJaM> cu
[08:16] <aedwards> is there another driver that can be used....
[08:16] <thoreauputic> sJaM: mplayer is in the multiverse repo
[08:16] <aedwards> cuz i have a shit load of movies and mp3's i cant even use.
[08:16] <sJaM> didn't know that
[08:17] <lsuactiafner> there has to be
[08:17] <othernoob> sJaM: whether or not you always notice the performance difference isn't important ;)
[08:17] <sJaM> why compile from source then ?
[08:17] <thoreauputic> sJaM: apt-cache search mplayer shows a number of alternatives for differnet cpu s etc
[08:18] <thoreauputic> *different
[08:18] <lsuactiafner> sJaM : compile from source to get latest mplayer cvs and latest software without waiting for apt
[08:18] <othernoob> sJaM: to learn? for fun? or because it'll be better suited for your pc?
[08:18] <Chillout> HappyFool: never did this b4 so i hope i did it right: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/554
[08:18] <othernoob> or that lsuactiafner  ;)
[08:18] <alvaro> yo i need help, i have ubuntu warty and im trying to compile mplayer... it all works fine when i do the 'tar -xjf MPlayer-1.0pre5.tar.bz2, cd MPlayer-1.0pre5,' BUT when i do the next step ./configure --enable-gui it says that GUI requires GTK devel packages (which were not found) what do i do? :S
[08:18] <JohnFlux> what's the difference between "aptitude" and "apt-get" ?
[08:18] <sJaM> yeah ok
[08:19] <HappyFool> Chillout: ok, stand by
[08:19] <Bubbling_Zombie> aptitude is a frontend for apt
[08:19] <thoreauputic> JohnFlux: aptitude is slightly smarter ;)
[08:19] <JohnFlux> alvaro: install the gtk devel packages :)
[08:19] <lsuactiafner> also, self made packages might be more stable, since its not edited and only has a minimal ./configure options in
[08:19] <sJaM> I see
[08:19] <othernoob> Bubbling_Zombie: so is apt-get
[08:19] <lsuactiafner> alvaro : apt-get build-dep mplayer
[08:19] <sJaM> what is the multiverse repos actually
[08:19] <JohnFlux> alvaro: do apt-cache search gtk | grep devel
[08:19] <Bubbling_Zombie> a graphical front end then -_-
[08:19] <devios> anyone else notice that dns resolution in ubuntu slower than windows on same machine using same dns servers?  even after recommended firefox tweaks?  not trying to troll - just looking for a solution.
[08:19] <luzbelito> lsuactiafner: i dont stand vobcopy. man says will copy entire files like a mirror to hd, and i think never will can burn it !!!
[08:19] <sJaM> I thought universe was debian's unstable ?
[08:19] <JohnFlux> alvaro: do what lsuactiafner says
[08:19] <lsuactiafner> alvaro : apt-get build-dep xmms should also be nice to install all teh developemtn tools you need
[08:19] <XRayNuke> Is Atheros support included by default?
[08:20] <HappyFool> JohnFlux: aptitude has a text 'ui' mode; it also keeps a log and apparently can handle 'orphaned' packages, though I don't know much about that
[08:20] <lsuactiafner> devios : install dnsmasq
[08:20] <JohnFlux> HappyFool: thanks
[08:21] <alvaro> meh it doesn't work
[08:21] <alvaro> it says: E Invalid operation build-deb
[08:21] <HappyFool> Chillout: hmm
[08:21] <bddebian> alvaro: build-dep , not build-deb
[08:21] <Chillout> any idea?
[08:22] <HappyFool> Chillout: have you tried python2.3 setup.py, given that python2.4 is not supposed to work?
[08:22] <lsuactiafner> heh
[08:22] <basti> crimsun,  still here?
[08:22] <lsuactiafner> dyslectic moment..
[08:22] <luzbelito> lsuactiafner: i dont stand vobcopy. man says will copy entire files like a mirror to hd, and i think never will can burn it !!!
[08:22] <HappyFool> Chillout: otherwise it looks like a bug in the program
[08:22] <alvaro> still doesn't work
[08:22] <alvaro> it says: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:22] <alvaro> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:23] <bddebian> alvaro: Use sudo
[08:23] <zukalk> alvaro, close Synaptic or whatever you're using
[08:23] <othernoob> alvaro, are you using apt and synaptic at the same time?
[08:23] <alvaro> oh oops
[08:23] <lsuactiafner> alvaro : type w, another user is using apt-get at the current moment in time
[08:23] <Chillout> HappyFool: yes i tried that. since the programm also needs wxPython(which i have installed via syptic mostllike for pyth. 2.4) it tells me wxPython not existent.
[08:23] <HappyFool> Chillout: ah
[08:23] <HappyFool> Chillout: yeah, it will be for 2.4
[08:23] <alvaro> ok this is what i get:
[08:23] <alvaro> eading Package Lists... Done
[08:23] <alvaro> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[08:23] <alvaro> Note, selecting libdv4-dev instead of libdv-dev
[08:23] <alvaro> E: Build-dependencies for mplayer could not be satisfied.
[08:24] <Chillout> HappyFool: well, is their a way to figure WHY exactly it cant write the config?
[08:24] <luzbelito> anyone knows how to burn .mds file to dvd ???
[08:24] <lsuactiafner> alvaro : just ignore it
[08:24] <Lufusol> Catch you guys later..
[08:24] <HappyFool> Chillout: not with that error message
[08:24] <Chillout> HappyFool: would u sugesst that i install wxPython for 2.3 (if such thing exists)
[08:24] <HappyFool> Chillout: try 'find -iname Config' in that directory to see if you can find a Config file
[08:24] <jamiie> hi, can someone give me a hand with a security problem
[08:25] <othernoob> luzbelito: try k3b
[08:25] <Chillout> ok, ill try that
[08:25] <luzbelito> othernoob: i had k3b opened
[08:25] <HappyFool> Chillout: you should be able to, in the worst case, in wxPython for 2.3 from source
[08:25] <HappyFool> install, even
[08:25] <luzbelito> othernoob: i had k3b opened, but i cant select mds file to burn it
[08:26] <HappyFool> Chillout: it might be a bit of effort though
[08:26] <h08817> I need some help on getting a bios upgrade so i can boot to cd
[08:26] <jamiie> mayb not then, bye
[08:26] <luzbelito> othernoob: i had k3b opened, but i cant select mds file to burn it. it says is not a iso9660 image (mds file)
[08:26] <othernoob> h08817: what's so difficult about going to your manufacturers homepage and looking for your motherboard???
[08:27] <lsuactiafner> h08817 : as someone said previously, its not ubuntu that does bios upgrades, its the company that made your bios on your motherboard that supplies those upgrades
[08:27] <h08817> i know that
[08:27] <h08817> other noob
[08:27] <alvaro> so what do i do now?
[08:27] <alvaro> it still says it requires GTK devel packages , how do i install that :S
[08:27] <ashok> folks i have downloaded jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin. pls tell me how to proceed installing it
[08:28] <h08817> how can i find out my motherboard manufacturer
[08:28] <lsuactiafner> then pay a geek to get it + do it for you.
[08:28] <HappyFool> h08817: try looking for names when you boot
[08:29] <zukalk> can't he just open his PC?
[08:29] <h08817> yeah i did
[08:29] <lsuactiafner> alvaro : ubuntu aint a developers system, you need to install many libs+dependancies to compile things.. i just did apt-get build-dep xmms x11 vlc xine ect till every possible development package was installed so i could compile things
[08:29] <h08817> what to look for hmm
[08:29] <basti> hmm
[08:29] <h08817> i found 2 intel chips
[08:29] <h08817> on them it says
[08:29] <lsuactiafner> alvaro : apt-get install mplayer might be easier
[08:29] <h08817> sb82437vx
[08:29] <h08817> also i downloaded cpu-z to tell me about my system
[08:29] <lsuactiafner> h08817 : lspci lshw and or look @ the mobo physically...
[08:29] <Chillout> HappyFool: the closest is a file called BibConfig.py. since i dont know any python the content tells me 0
[08:29] <HappyFool> h08817: look for writing on the board itself, not on the chips
[08:29] <lsuactiafner> h08817 : or pay a geek to do it for you...
[08:30] <othernoob> luzbelito: use this http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=59172
[08:30] <h08817> so i guess i should take most of the stuff out of it
[08:31] <luzbelito> othernoob: thanks, i will take a look
[08:31] <HappyFool> h08817: be careful not to let the magic smoke out of the electronic bits and pieces ;)
[08:31] <ashok> folks i have downloaded jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin. pls tell me how to proceed installing it
[08:31] <h08817> lol
[08:31] <h08817> i'm not that stupid
[08:32] <HappyFool> !java
[08:32] <ubotu> I heard java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[08:32] <lsuactiafner> ashok : sudo sh jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin.
[08:32] <lsuactiafner> goto that java link tho 1st
[08:32] <HappyFool> ashok: take a look at that wiki site, it will tell you more
[08:32] <Ubuntian> I have a new hard drive, how do I mount it, is it: sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /home/tom/disc2
[08:32] <Ubuntian> ?
[08:32] <Ubuntian> i mean another one, there are 2 now
[08:32] <HappyFool> Chillout: i'll see if i can download it quick, but my link is super-slow
[08:33] <lsuactiafner> Ubuntian : looks correct enough, if you made a filesysmte on it already..
[08:33] <HappyFool> Chillout: erk -- does this need openoffice dev packages?
[08:33] <Ubuntian> lsuactiafner, normally there is an ext2 filesystem on it
[08:33] <Ubuntian> lsuactiafner, thanks
[08:33] <Troy_McClure> anyone here experienced in scripting with x-chat?
[08:34] <ricosuave17> does ubuntu use gnome as defualt??
[08:34] <Ubuntian> yes
[08:34] <HappyFool> ricosuave17: yip
[08:34] <Chillout> HappyFool: mmh dev i dunno. it needs a lot of stuff tho. openoffice for sure, and the python-uno and python
[08:34] <ricosuave17> i hate gnome
[08:34] <Ubuntian> ricosuave17, there is kubuntu if u prefer kde
[08:34] <ricosuave17> does it include any other WM
[08:34] <normal1> where are the icons located on gnome ???
[08:34] <ricosuave17> no i hate gnome and kde
[08:34] <ricosuave17> i like icewm
[08:34] <normal1> soi can us with smeg
[08:34] <HappyFool> Chillout: ok, i'm not going to download it then, sorry -- i have dialup and getting all the dev packages will take hours
[08:35] <Ubuntian> well on gnome u can choose your window manager (right?)
[08:35] <ricosuave17> i dont think so
[08:35] <HappyFool> ricosuave17: you can install other wm's via apt
[08:35] <ricosuave17> u use xwmconfig for that
[08:35] <lsuactiafner> gdm
[08:35] <Chillout> HappyFool: sure, i understand. if it is the content of that BibConfig.py file u want to take a look at i could paste it...!?
[08:35] <ricosuave17> humm
[08:35] <ricosuave17> i dont like that
[08:35] <lsuactiafner> gdm lests you choose
[08:35] <HappyFool> Chillout: sure
[08:35] <Ubuntian> see
[08:35] <ricosuave17> does it include icewm
[08:35] <lsuactiafner> blackbox > all
[08:35] <Chillout> HappyFool: ok ill do that...
[08:36] <ricosuave17> damn
[08:36] <Rockett17> if you apt-get install icewm it will show up in the gdm automatically
[08:36] <HappyFool> ricosuave17: you can easily install icewm using the ubuntu package system
[08:36] <alvaro> when i dot an apt-get install mplayer i get this:
[08:36] <Troy_McClure> no one here knows how to script x-chat?
[08:36] <HappyFool> Troy_McClure: try #xchat
[08:36] <alvaro> Package mplayer is a virtual package provided by:
[08:36] <alvaro>   mplayer-nogui 1:1.0-pre7-0.0
[08:36] <alvaro>   mplayer-k6 1:1.0-pre7-0.0
[08:36] <alvaro>   mplayer-586 1:1.0-pre7-0.0
[08:36] <alvaro>   mplayer-386 1:1.0-pre7-0.0
[08:36] <alvaro>   mplayer-custom 1:1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu1
[08:36] <alvaro> You should explicitly select one to install.
[08:36] <alvaro> E: Package mplayer has no installation candidate
[08:36] <HappyFool> yay pasting
[08:36] <ashok> thanks lsuactiafner
[08:37] <thoreauputic> alvaro: choose the one that matches best with your cpu
[08:37] <Chillout> HappyFool: there it is >> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/556
[08:38] <lsuactiafner> mplayer-586 should be safe..
[08:38] <lsuactiafner> but its better to compile the cvs daily... not really but i do
[08:38] <ricosuave17> what is the ubuntu package system?
[08:38] <eruin> apt
[08:38] <eruin> same as debian
[08:38] <lsuactiafner> ricosuave17 : apt-get
[08:39] <ricosuave17> never have played with debian i dont know how that works i played with slackware
[08:39] <Rockett17> ricosuave17: or you can use apt-get graphically through synaptic
[08:39] <ashok> even after installing jre, my browser shows missing plugins
[08:39] <basti> crimsun, where are you?
[08:39] <Rockett17> !apt-get
[08:39] <eruin> oh.. well, it's pretty much the one binary package system to rule them all
[08:39] <ubotu> apt-get is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[08:39] <HappyFool> Chillout: that is not a user-editable file
[08:40] <hondje> hey look, it's ricosuave17
[08:40] <ricosuave17> so if i want ice should there be a package already made?
[08:40] <ricosuave17> and in that directory
[08:40] <eruin> ice?
[08:40] <alvaro> when i choose a package to install mplayer it says that it couldn't find no package
[08:40] <ricosuave17> yes
[08:40] <eruin> icewm?
[08:40] <ricosuave17> yeap
[08:40] <lsuactiafner> ashok : use the browser to install the plugins..
[08:40] <zukalk> ricosuave17, all you'll have to do is 'apt-get install icewm'
[08:40] <eruin> icewm 1.2.18 shows here
[08:40] <lesshaste> what's the easiest way to make a .mp4 video from real format?
[08:41] <eruin> lesshaste, probably vlc
[08:41] <Chillout> HappyFool: i thought so too. mmh, is there a way to generate an output while it tries to configure itself so i can see, what it treis to do?
[08:41] <HappyFool> Chillout: is there not a 'setup.py' in the root directory source, i.e., the directory above Setup (~/Desktop/Bibus-pre-1.0.0a/)
[08:41] <lesshaste> eruin, interesting...
[08:41] <HappyFool> Chillout: otherwise, you can put setup.py up on the pastebin
[08:41] <ricosuave17> isnt it easier just to download a package
[08:42] <ricosuave17> isnt of using apt-get
[08:42] <ashok> well, it says only manual install possible
[08:42] <eruin> lesshaste, not sure about its support for the two types in question, but in general vlc (especially cvs) supports everything on earth
[08:42] <Chillout> HappyFool: yes there is a Setup. i will but this in the pastebin. ok
[08:42] <eruin> it's got a quite simple transcode interface
[08:42] <ricosuave17> well cant u just download a package and install it
[08:42] <zukalk> that's what apt does for you
[08:42] <eruin> ricosuave17, yes, you probably could, provided you have all the dependencies
[08:42] <HappyFool> Chillout: if there's a 'setup.py' in ~/Desktop/Bibus-pre-1.0.0a that is the one to use to install the software
[08:42] <HappyFool> Chillout: the setup.py in Setup/ is probably for something else
[08:43] <normal1> hey where are system icons loaded ?
[08:43] <eruin> apt-get provides those dependencies for you automatically
[08:43] <ricosuave17> but what if it doesnt have a package of the sort i want
[08:43] <HappyFool> normal1: what do you mean by 'system icons' ?
[08:43] <ricosuave17> say opera
[08:43] <eruin> ricosuave17, then you just "dpkg -i opera.deb"
[08:43] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: for opera go to the opera downloads and choose the ubuntu deb
[08:44] <ricosuave17> but how do i know if it has that package or not
[08:44] <normal1> happyfool: i'm making new groups with smeg
[08:44] <eruin> most opensource apps of any value to a desktop user should be in the ubuntu repositories though
[08:44] <eruin> ricosuave17, you can search
[08:44] <normal1> and i want to use the icons already on ubuntu
[08:44] <lesshaste> eruin, what about transcode? or some front end?
[08:44] <normal1> not have to download tham
[08:44] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: I just told you: there's an Ubuntu deb at the Opera download site
[08:44] <Chillout> HappyFool: i seem to come till Line 147 >> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/557
[08:44] <eruin> either using a GUI like synaptic, of "apt-cache search package"
[08:44] <ricosuave17> i know but im talking about other possibities
[08:44] <kbrooks> BTW
[08:44] <lesshaste> eruin, I can't tell who you are talking to
[08:45] <kbrooks> @ nalioth_wrkn
[08:45] <kbrooks> I'm on deian.
[08:45] <kbrooks> debian*
[08:45] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: apt-cache search <keywords>
[08:45] <kbrooks> fuck
[08:45] <ricosuave17> well isnt that an internet list
[08:45] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: or use the search function in synaptic package manager
[08:45] <ricosuave17> well im on windows
[08:46] <HappyFool> normal1: look in /usr/share/icons/ ?
[08:46] <normal1> hmm
[08:46] <HappyFool> Chillout: ok, loading that now
[08:46] <normal1> i'll try that
[08:46] <normal1> thanks
[08:46] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: well, you won't learn Ubuntu on windows, that's for sure ;-)
[08:47] <ricosuave17> i know i just ask b4 i take a decision
[08:47] <ricosuave17> cause im a slackware dude
[08:47] <eruin> ricosuave17, http://appelsinjuice.org/scr.png
[08:47] <alvaro> aaahhhhh~~ ~~ ~~!!! someone help me install mplayer.. i can't enable the gui because it needs GTK devel packages, how do i install that :O
[08:47] <eruin> theres a shot featuring synaptic
[08:48] <eruin> where I've just searched for 'applet'
[08:48] <Sio> ricosuave17, why you on windows then?
[08:48] <eruin> in packagenames only
[08:48] <Sio> if you ask me, ubuntu beats the hell outta slackware and i've used both
[08:48] <thoreauputic> !faq
[08:48] <ubotu> rumour has it, faq is Frequently Asked Questions you can check it out from here ---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[08:48] <ricosuave17> cause i got tired
[08:48] <eruin> alvaro, gtk2?
[08:48] <Sio> tired of slackware?
[08:48] <Sio> ubuntu is much better
[08:48] <ricosuave17> yes
[08:48] <Sio> you'll love it
[08:48] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: i suggest starting at the bot's URL above
[08:48] <ricosuave17> i might
[08:48] <alvaro> it just says;...
[08:48] <ricosuave17> do u use gaim?
[08:48] <alvaro> Checking for GTK version ...
[08:48] <alvaro> Error: The GUI requires GTK devel packages (which were not found).
[08:48] <alvaro> Check "configure.log" if you do not understand why it failed.
[08:48] <Sionide> i do yeah
[08:49] <ErmaC`> hello i have a fucked up problem with ubuntu :s:s:s:s
[08:49] <eruin> ricosuave17, talking to me?
[08:49] <ricosuave17> yes
[08:49] <FlyingSquirrel32> when I log in as myself I get sound fine, but when I log in as another user no sound. This is a fresh install of ubuntu 5.04
[08:49] <eruin> alvaro, well
[08:49] <samuelk> how do i open port in firewall?
[08:49] <ahrtal123> Hello
[08:49] <eruin> last time I checked mplayer was a shitty old gtk1.2 app
[08:49] <Sionide> xine > mplayer
[08:49] <eruin> alvaro, so "apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev"
[08:49] <Sionide> apt-get install xine
[08:49] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrel32: add hte new user to the audio group
[08:50] <eruin> apt-get install totem-xine instead Sionide
[08:50] <eruin> ;)
[08:50] <eruin> then dl w32codecs too
[08:50] <Sionide> or gxine ;)
[08:50] <FlyingSquirrel32> thanks thoreauputic
[08:50] <eruin> ricosuave17, yeah, I use it ;)
[08:50] <ErmaC`> i'm running ubuntu 5.04 but the problem is, i can only choose 640*480 or 800*600 screen resolution and NOT +1024*768 screen resolution, how can i fix this???
[08:50] <eruin> lovely thing
[08:50] <ricosuave17> i dont like it
[08:50] <ErmaC`> i'm running ubuntu 5.04 but the problem is, i can only choose 640*480 or 800*600 screen resolution and NOT +1024*768 screen resolution, how can i fix this???
[08:50] <ricosuave17> it doesnt work good
[08:50] <alvaro> wtf is xine? :P
[08:50] <ricosuave17> thats why i dont run linux
[08:50] <ahrtal123> I need to change my default in GRUB.
[08:51] <alvaro> and how is it xine > mplayer? :P
[08:51] <Sionide> ricosuave17, ubuntu does run good
[08:51] <eruin> works like a charm here
[08:51] <ahrtal123> How can I do this
[08:51] <HappyFool> Chillout: line 168 indicates that the "Config" file is Setup.xcu, in a directory share/registry/data/org/openoffice/
[08:51] <khermans> can someone help me fix a GPG error after adding the Ubuntuguide.org extra repos?
[08:51] <Sionide> ErmaC`, you need to edit your xorg.conf to add the other resolution
[08:51] <kvidell>  /s 1
[08:51] <HappyFool> Chillout: probably /usr/share/registry/  (...etc)
[08:52] <khermans> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[08:52] <eruin> alvaro, xine doesn't have ridicilously ***wad people behind it
[08:52] <Sionide> ErmaC`, sorry, can't do dcc chats mate.
[08:52] <ahrtal123> my father uses windows and gets angry when it starts up UBUNTU
[08:52] <ricosuave17> lol
[08:52] <HappyFool> ahrtal123: you can tell grub to boot windows by default
[08:52] <Chillout> HappyFool: sorry, i dont understand
[08:53] <eruin> ahrtal123, gksudo boot-admin
[08:53] <ricosuave17> i dont understand grub
[08:53] <ahrtal123> how?
[08:53] <khermans> ahrtal123, just change the default boot then
[08:53] <ricosuave17> i use lilo
[08:53] <HappyFool> Chillout: the Config file it's looking for is that file, as far as i can tell (Setup.xcu)
[08:53] <HappyFool> Chillout: do you have that file?
[08:54] <eruin> lilo is overly complicated o.O
[08:54] <ricosuave17> do usb webcams work good
[08:54] <ahrtal123> OK. I just installed this 2 days ago. I am unfamiliar with Linux.
[08:54] <HappyFool> Chillout: you can find out with ls /usr/share/registry/data/org/openoffice/Setup.xcu
[08:54] <alvaro> what is xine anyways? can it play .wmv files?
[08:54] <ahrtal123> I also have to use a serial port Keyboard in GRUB as well
[08:54] <khermans> Anyone know how to fix the BADSIG repository errors?
[08:54] <ahrtal123> Is there anyway to get it to recognize USB
[08:54] <HappyFool> Chillout: or try 'find /usr/share Setup.xcu'  (might take a little while to run)
[08:55] <eruin> alvaro, if you have the w32codecs package (available using the hoary-extras repository at backports.ubuntuforums.org)
[08:55] <eruin> alvaro, I reccommend you use gxine or totem-xine if youre in gnome though
[08:55] <alvaro> i c
[08:55] <Chillout> HappyFool: i will check that
[08:55] <khermans> Anyone ssen this before --> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[08:55] <othernoob> ricosuave17: what's the big difference between lilo and grub?
[08:55] <devios> lsuactiafner: i installed dnsmasq - how do I make my system check there first when resolving things?
[08:56] <ricosuave17> i dont know
[08:56] <ricosuave17> i have never used grub
[08:56] <ricosuave17> i like lilo
[08:56] <ricosuave17> lilo is old school and so am i
[08:56] <Chillout> HappyFool: yes i have that in >> usr/lib/openoffice/share/registry/data/org/openoffice/Setup.xcu
[08:56] <khermans> othernoob, grub lets you change boot settings on the fly
[08:56] <ahrtal123> ok
[08:56] <ahrtal123> great
[08:56] <ricosuave17> never used grub i dont even know what it looks like
[08:57] <ricosuave17> go with lilo and ull be fine
[08:57] <bob2> khermans: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-key 40976EAF437D05B5 ; gpg --export 40976EAF437D05B5 | sudo apt-key add -
[08:57] <eruin> you should try it
[08:57] <sJaM> ricosuave17, you can still use lilo
[08:57] <eruin> grub is what everyone else is using
[08:57] <eruin> ;)
[08:57] <sJaM> ricosuave17, apt-get install lilo
[08:57] <ahrtal123> I have seen it and tried to use it, but I was unsure about what I was doing
[08:57] <ahrtal123> I have a help file from WIKI
[08:57] <ricosuave17> wait does ubuntu come with grub?
[08:57] <khermans> bob2, but why does this always happen?  shouldn't it be added automatically because the key is on the CD-ROM install?
[08:57] <ahrtal123> yes it does
[08:57] <ricosuave17> othernoob: lilo is easy
[08:57] <ahrtal123> At least the newest version does
[08:57] <ricosuave17> if u get the choice go with lilo
[08:57] <sJaM> you think lilo is easy ricosuave17
[08:58] <bob2> khermans: presumably
[08:58] <sJaM> but grub is easier
[08:58] <ricosuave17> yes
[08:58] <ahrtal123> OK
[08:58] <ricosuave17> lilo == old school [08:58] <othernoob> khermans and lilo doesnt? or were you trying to educate me about grub?
[08:58] <sJaM> no
[08:58] <ahrtal123> also, what IRC program do I use with Linux?
[08:58] <sJaM> grub camed because lilo wasn't so gut
[08:58] <othernoob> ricosuave17: lilo is indeed old...
[08:58] <ricosuave17> yes im old school
[08:58] <ricosuave17> and im 17
[08:58] <Chillout> HappyFool: so why cant it write it?
[08:58] <sJaM> with lilo you have to update your rescue floppy if your upgrade your kernel
[08:58] <ahrtal123> I don't think mIRC is compatible
[08:58] <sJaM> ricosuave17,
[08:58] <eruin> ahrtal123, xchat
[08:59] <ahrtal123> thanks!
[08:59] <othernoob> ahrtal123: xchat, konversation, bitchx......
[08:59] <GigaClon> is there a mass mp3 retagger in linux?
[08:59] <ricosuave17> i dont even have a floopy drive
[08:59] <sJaM> and that calls himself oldschool ;)
[08:59] <hondje> easytag
[08:59] <ahrtal123> ok
[08:59] <HappyFool> Chillout: files in /usr/ aren't usually 'normal'-user writable
[08:59] <bob2> GigaClon: there are thousands
[08:59] <ahrtal123> I am not old school, but I am old
[08:59] <othernoob> sJaM: lol. should have a 5.25 one ;)
[09:00] <HappyFool> Chillout: you can try running this program as root (i.e., super-user)
[09:00] <Chillout> HappyFool: mmh, so what would you suggest me to do?
[09:00] <HappyFool> Chillout: i don't know if this will screw up openoffice or not, though
[09:00] <Chillout> HappyFool: tried that already
[09:00] <bob2> GigaClon: cantus is apparently nice
[09:00] <eruin> the only type of oldschool people in existence are the ones doing LFS
[09:00] <ricosuave17> man i so want a 5.25 drive
[09:00] <ahrtal123> thanks, othernoob
[09:00] <alvaro> when i try installing the fonts and skin for mplayer i get this:
[09:00] <HappyFool> Chillout: that *also* didn't work?
[09:00] <eruin> ... it's frowned upon
[09:00] <othernoob> ahrtal123: yw
[09:00] <Charlie_Snoopy> hi all
[09:00] <ricosuave17> will a 5.25 floppy work on a new comp?
[09:00] <Chillout> HappyFool: nope, same error
[09:00] <ahrtal123> you too eruin
[09:00] <alvaro> root@dsl081-050-234:~ # tar -xjf font-arial-iso-8859-1.tar.bz2
[09:00] <alvaro> tar: font-arial-iso-8859-1.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[09:00] <alvaro> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[09:00] <alvaro> tar: Child returned status 2
[09:00] <alvaro> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[09:01] <sJaM> well it is easy if something overwritten the mbr, just put your grub disk in the drive
[09:01] <HappyFool> Chillout: hmm
[09:01] <bob2> Chillout: why do you want to modify that file?
[09:01] <sJaM> and boot
[09:01] <HappyFool> Chillout: then it isn't finding the file
[09:01] <bob2> alvaro: that just means the file doesn't exist...
[09:01] <sJaM> I helped a friend with it once
[09:01] <HappyFool> alvaro: please don't paste more than 2 lines
[09:01] <Charlie_Snoopy> is there anyone who can help me
[09:01] <GigaClon> bob: is it in the repo?
[09:01] <HappyFool> bob2: he wants to install this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bibus-biblio/
[09:01] <othernoob> ricosuave17: i don't know. i haven't had one in years ;)
[09:01] <bddebian> Charlie_Snoopy: Ask your question and we'll try
[09:01] <bob2> GigaClon: of course, in universe
[09:01] <Chillout> HappyFool: mmh. is there a way to figure out what exactly its problem is?
[09:01] <Charlie_Snoopy> with an install issue with  my ubuntu distro
[09:01] <HappyFool> bob2: the debian package requires python version < 2.4
[09:02] <flexs[prog] > i have installed fluxbox gui, how can i add fluxbox to gdm ?
[09:02] <Charlie_Snoopy> it's easy
[09:02] <HappyFool> Chillout: sorry, i can't do so easily. At this point I'd suggest e-mailing the author
[09:02] <othernoob> ricosuave17: i'd assume that it's quite possible though
[09:02] <sJaM> isn't that automatically done flexs[prog] 
[09:02] <flexs[prog] > nop
[09:02] <bddebian> Charlie_Snoopy: So shoot
[09:02] <tiglionabbit> flexs[prog] : write a fluxbox.desktop for /etc/X11/xsessions
[09:02] <flexs[prog] > i installed him from source
[09:02] <Charlie_Snoopy> i put my cd in the cd\dvd player
[09:02] <Charlie_Snoopy> he boots up
[09:03] <Charlie_Snoopy> i select normal install
[09:03] <Chillout> HappyFool: ok, ty for helping so far. its much appreciated.
[09:03] <Charlie_Snoopy> he reads and unzip the image
[09:03] <HappyFool> Chillout: if you *desparately* need to use this software, maybe you could install an appropriate version of debian, but that's fairly extreme
[09:03] <tiglionabbit> you CD has a gender?
[09:03] <tiglionabbit> *your
[09:03] <Charlie_Snoopy> them boots up the kernel
[09:03] <bddebian> hehe
[09:03] <Rockett17> why would anyone need a 5+1/4" drive in this day and age??
[09:03] <Sionide> tiglionabbit, mines a girl
[09:04] <sJaM> don't know
[09:04] <sJaM> why would anyone need lilo ;)
[09:04] <othernoob> Rockett17: for fun, nostalgia...many reasons
[09:04] <thoreauputic> tiglionabbit: actually the file for gdm sessions is in /usr/share/xsessions
[09:04] <Rockett17> I can see the nostalgia bit..
[09:04] <Charlie_Snoopy> better it never boots up freezes right over there
[09:04] <Rockett17> would be fun to give one to a n00b and watch em put it in the drive ;)
[09:04] <tiglionabbit> oh..  sorry.  Fix up my mistakes, thoreauputic
[09:04] <bddebian> Charlie_Snoopy: Just freezes?  No error, nothing?
[09:04] <sJaM> I was 10 when I was using those
[09:05] <JohnFlux> crimsun: I know have sound working perfectly.  Thanks so much :)
[09:05] <Charlie_Snoopy> anyone got the same problem
[09:05] <sJaM> my neighbour didn't had the new and improved floppy drive
[09:05] <JohnFlux> crimsun: *now
[09:05] <Rockett17> me too sJaM
[09:05] <sJaM> and not the 386 but the 286
[09:05] <JohnFlux> crimsun: (You helped me about an hour ago)
[09:05] <bkinman> 5.25 drive? For retrieving files on old 5.25 disks of course!
[09:05] <flexs[prog] > tiglionabit : i don't have /etc/X11/xsessions file ?
[09:06] <bddebian> Charlie_Snoopy: Have you tried another CD or a live CD?
[09:06] <Big_O> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/552
[09:06] <sJaM> I learned MS-DOS when I was 10
[09:06] <Big_O> hmm
[09:06] <tiglionabbit> My dad still backs everything he does up to floppy disks.  He's written tons of books, but can't type
[09:06] <tiglionabbit> flexs[prog] : sorry, thoreauputic reminds me it's /usr/share/xsessions
[09:06] <sJaM> liked the terminal but I thought DOS was a bit cumbersome
[09:06] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: how does he write the books? by hand?
[09:06] <raven3x7> hello
[09:06] <bddebian> Hello raven3x7
[09:06] <flexs[prog] > ok i try
[09:06] <jugarnatha> can anyone help me to play .avi files or .wmv files using totem (or any other ap that I may or may not have?)
[09:06] <Rockett17> floppy has got the be the worst possible back-up media.. they get frigged up so easy
[09:06] <tiglionabbit> othernoob: well, by typing, but it takes him forever.  He types with two fingers, slowly
[09:07] <zukalk> tiglionabbit, that's an understable mistake if your mothertongue is portuguese ;)
[09:07] <sJaM> yeah
[09:07] <raven3x7> jugarnatha whats the problem
[09:07] <bkinman> Rockett17, i would contest that zip is worse.
[09:07] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: tried to teach him yet?
[09:07] <zukalk> tiglionabbit, i mean the gender thing
[09:07] <sJaM> people make resuce disks
[09:07] <sJaM> with old floppies
[09:07] <sJaM> and then if their comps is broken
[09:07] <tiglionabbit> I've tried to teach him everything, but he doesn't want to learn anything
[09:07] <othernoob> bkinman: why's zip the worst?
[09:07] <sJaM> their rescue disk won't boot surprise surprise
[09:07] <tiglionabbit> I even bought him a USB flash drive
[09:07] <Rockett17> jugarnatha> you will require totem-xine and the w32codecs
[09:07] <jugarnatha> raven3x7: well, I can play mpg's with totem just fine. .avi files play audio but no video, and .wav files give an error message
[09:07] <hodgman> can a user account have an alias.  basiclly allow me to have user bobsmith but be able to log into that same account with just bob through ssh ?
[09:07] <bkinman> othernoob, I have had far more zip disks get corrupted on me than floppies.
[09:07] <tiglionabbit> but he still uses his stupid disks
[09:07] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: he should learn to leave his finger on letters he's going to need soon again
[09:08] <jugarnatha> I have the w32codecs in place, and I think they're pretty recent.
[09:08] <bkinman> othernoob, And zip drives seem more prone to break than any floppy drives i have used.
[09:08] <othernoob> bkinman: a friend of mine luuuuvs his zipdrive
[09:08] <jugarnatha> totem-xine I don't know about.
[09:08] <sJaM> my usbdisk never let me down on linux
[09:08] <sJaM> but windows 98 is a hell (school :@)
[09:08] <luzbelito> how i can install bin2iso ???
[09:08] <sJaM> for usbdisks
[09:08] <sJaM> apt-get install bin2iso
[09:08] <bkinman> USB keys are the own!
[09:09] <jugarnatha> Rockett17 should I do apt-get install totem-xine?
[09:09] <othernoob> bkinman: usb keys suck :p get lost easily
[09:09] <alvaro> is there any alternative to mplayer, im tired of this thing not installing
[09:09] <sJaM> isn't on apt though
[09:09] <Sionide> sJaM, same, my usbdrive (120gig) is awesome on linux but it keeps randomly disconnecting under windows
[09:09] <raven3x7> jugarnatha what rocket said. also you could try mplayer instead of totem-xine though i think totem is easier to use
[09:09] <othernoob> and they're way too expensive
[09:09] <Rockett17> yes jugar, it may require you to remove the other totem
[09:09] <Rockett17> but that's fine
[09:09] <sJaM> well I never understand why school uses W98 for network
[09:09] <Sionide> ErmaC`, any luck?? :)
[09:09] <ErmaC`> hmmz
[09:09] <sJaM> but they have it so poorly secured
[09:09] <ErmaC`> noo
[09:09] <raven3x7> juggarnatha check synaptic
[09:09] <sJaM> just put an fresh image at every reboot
[09:09] <sJaM> and still won't allow you to install anything
[09:10] <sJaM> so I couldn't install the driver
[09:10] <jugarnatha> Rockett17: okay I'll install it and let you know what happens.
[09:10] <spasmodo> Anyone - linux-source-2.6.11...._all.deb
[09:10] <virgule> hodgman: hold on, I have an idea that might just work.. dont be too much enthousiast tho ;)
[09:10] <Rockett17> we have 98 here at the red cross.. but we only use it to get the machines into a ts session .. everything is done on 2k3servers
[09:10] <spasmodo> is that a kernel install package?
[09:10] <Sionide> ErmaC`, ah sucks man :( im prob not the guy to help you then, i'm not THAT good at linux mysef :P
[09:10] <tiglionabbit> my dad is a scientist, but he wastes so much time with his innefficient use of computers that it's ridiculous.  He could get his work done in 1/10th the time he spends.  He also lives in constant fear that windows will explode if he touches anything, but refuses to learn any new software
[09:10] <hodgman> virgule: lol ok
[09:10] <raven3x7> Jugarnatha Rocket117 yes apt will uninstall totem-gstreamer automatically
[09:10] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: i can and respect that fear ;)
[09:11] <tiglionabbit> it takes him longer to type up some handwritten notes he took than it did for him to write them down originally
[09:11] <flexs[prog] > tiglionabbit : but in that file fluxbox.desktop...... leave it empty ?
[09:11] <Rockett17> that's what I figured raven.. I just couldnt remember if it was gstreamer or alsa
[09:11] <tiglionabbit> flexs[prog] : no, look at the other .desktop files
[09:11] <Rockett17> consider me reminded
[09:11] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: but it's sorta ridiculous that a scientist is afraid of a computer :/
[09:11] <alvaro> lol
[09:11] <raven3x7> yeah i did it a couple of days ago so i remembered
[09:11] <tiglionabbit> well, he's a paleontologist, which means he travels around the world bashing rocks and theorizing about different kinds of soil
[09:12] <ErmaC`> can anyone help me i got a resolution problem on ubuntu 5.04.... PM Me
[09:12] <othernoob> lol nice way of describing his job
[09:12] <zukalk> indeed
[09:12] <tiglionabbit> !resulotion
[09:12] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: I give up, what is it?
[09:12] <sJaM> now you get it
[09:12] <tiglionabbit> !resolution
[09:12] <ubotu> methinks resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:12] <ErmaC`> oh thanks ubotu
[09:12] <ErmaC`> didn't know /new to linux you know/
[09:12] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: wouldn't he be easier off with dvorak?
[09:12] <tiglionabbit> ErmaC`: thank us, we put it in ubotu
[09:13] <ErmaC`> hehe
[09:13] <ErmaC`> :p
[09:13] <spasmodo> Anyone - linux-source-2.6.11...._all.deb
[09:13] <othernoob> tiglionabbit:  it's not like he'd notice the difference i assume
[09:13] <virgule> hodgman: damn..--> su: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info <- my idea was to simply duplicate the line with my username in /etc/passwd and to change 'virgule' instances by 'vir' but no go :( I could have worked
[09:13] <ErmaC`> didn't know he's a bot :p
[09:13] <ErmaC`> hehe
[09:13] <tiglionabbit> othernoob: don't you think I've told him that a bazillion times?
[09:13] <ErmaC`> tiglionabbit*
[09:13] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: probably ;) just change it :p
[09:13] <spasmodo> will that install the kernel?
[09:14] <tiglionabbit> how should I ask him?  His immediate response to any sentence with the word "type", "computer", or "software" is "NO!" before I even finish talking
[09:14] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: why ask? when he's not around, change the keyboard ;)
[09:15] <tiglionabbit> he thinks that because one of my computers suffered a power surge in my childhood, that I am a jinx to computers and will kill them if I touch them
[09:15] <sJaM> just install ubuntu on it
[09:15] <sJaM> he wouldn't know the difference
[09:15] <othernoob> lol
[09:15] <thierry> how can I burn dvd iso on ubuntu?
[09:15] <tiglionabbit> othernoob: he would kill me
[09:15] <raven3x7> i've been having some trouble with the nvidia drivers. i was getting a black screen. so i removed all the nvidia stuff including -common and compiled the 6627 driver from nvidia which worked for me on warty and i got some weird errors about not having a usuable screen setup. i removed those as i figured they might not work on x.org and tried 7174 version but got the same errors. any ideas?
[09:15] <ashok> how do i login as admin ?
[09:15] <tiglionabbit> ashok: you are already admin
[09:15] <tiglionabbit> !sudo
[09:15] <ubotu> rumour has it, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:15] <tiglionabbit> read about sudo
[09:15] <sJaM> sudo su -
[09:15] <sJaM> ashok
[09:15] <tiglionabbit> sJaM: how about "sudo -s" ?
[09:15] <ashok> but to some folders it says that i dont have enough permission
[09:16] <sJaM> does that work too ?
[09:16] <tiglionabbit> ashok: you must use sudo for operations like that
[09:16] <tiglionabbit> sJaM: yup
[09:16] <sJaM> well I always do Applications -> System Tool -> Root terminal
[09:16] <thierry> how can I burn dvd is?
[09:16] <sJaM> only then on a shortcut
[09:16] <thierry> how can I burn dvd iso?
[09:16] <IcemanV9> aww, shucks! NASA called off the launch .. i was hoping to watch it online .. oh well, safety comes first. tsk.
[09:16] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: i have had 2 overheated cpus, 3 dead power surges so far.
[09:16] <sJaM> and I have a pass for root
[09:16] <spasmodo> will a linux-source-2.6.11.....deb install tje kernel?
[09:16] <sJaM> so su -
[09:16] <tiglionabbit> thierry: use k3b
[09:16] <sJaM> also works
[09:16] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: my dad still gets me every month to update norton for him ;)
[09:16] <jcoxon> IcemanV9, yeah its a shame
[09:17] <tiglionabbit> urk, norton, othernoob convert him to http://free.grisoft.com
[09:17] <jcoxon> IcemanV9, apparently if they don't launch in the next couple of days gonna have to wait till september
[09:17] <HappyFool> spasmodo: i believe 2.6.11 is not recommended (or so Seveas usually says)
[09:17] <tiglionabbit> it'll save you a lot of money and bullshit
[09:17] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: i would, in fact, i'd use clamav..but its a company laptop :/
[09:17] <IcemanV9> faulty sensors? are they using win OS? :p
[09:17] <tiglionabbit> company laptop?
[09:17] <spasmodo> HappyFool - thanks
[09:17] <tiglionabbit> well I gotta eat, I'll be right back
[09:17] <chrissturm> odd minor versions are unstable in the linux kernel since 2.6.11
[09:18] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: yea, provided by his company..can't do shit on it..slow as fuck..
[09:18] <jcoxon> IcemanV9, :)
[09:18] <sJaM> hmm sudo remembers passwords
[09:18] <IcemanV9> jcoxon: thought it would be so cool to see it online .. will either wait 'til couple days or Sept
[09:18] <jcoxon> IcemanV9, yeah - we need to go back to space :)
[09:18] <othernoob> chrissturm: the odd versions were always unstable..not just since 2.6.11
[09:18] <sJaM> thanks tiglionabbit for the 3rd option
[09:19] <virgule> sJaM: it will forget after some inactivity.
[09:19] <tiglionabbit> jcoxon: what, is there some clause that he can't change anything on it?
[09:19] <sJaM> well I always think it is handy to have a root terminal open
[09:19] <spasmodo> duh - I knew that about odd versions
[09:19] <spasmodo> thanks
[09:19] <jcoxon> tiglionabbit, think you got the wrong person :)
[09:19] <tiglionabbit> oops
[09:19] <tiglionabbit> othernoob:
[09:19] <jcoxon> tiglionabbit, i was talking about the NASA space launch
[09:20] <raven3x7> does anyone know if the vesa drivers support any 3d accel?
[09:20] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: yea well, yes. they'd freak..all he's allowed to do is enter his data, send it to them. and print..yay what fun
[09:20] <tiglionabbit> I'm getting more and more lazy with my tab completion.  I'm starting to use just one letter on it, and sometimes I type the wrong one
[09:20] <sJaM> hehe
[09:21] <sJaM> epiphany doesn't have popup blocker
[09:21] <sJaM> :(
[09:21] <IcemanV9> sJaM: check the preference .. it does sorta of won't allow popup windows
[09:21] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: his company is shit with computers..last time they didn't even provide printer drivers.
[09:22] <wrtpeeps> hello
[09:22] <wrtpeeps> i just have to say, ubuntu is excellent.
[09:22] <GigaClon> hello
[09:22] <sJaM> but then you havent any popups
[09:22] <ricosuave17> what is the newest realeze of uvuntu
[09:22] <IcemanV9> correct, sJaM
[09:22] <wrtpeeps> for a new person to linux, this is way better than what i expected
[09:22] <chrissturm> othernoob, 2.6.11 is unstable, 2.6.12 is stable , 2.6.13 is unstable  , 2.6,14 is stable, etc
[09:22] <othernoob> 5.04 ricosuave17
[09:22] <GigaClon> Hoary
[09:22] <sJaM> so it doesn't block unwanted popus
[09:22] <othernoob> chrissturm: eh, i know
[09:22] <sJaM> I missed a word :D
[09:22] <Ubuntian> how do I know which kernel I use and how to download the kernel headers for that kernel?
[09:22] <raven3x7> noone? does anyone know if the vesa drivers support any 3d accel?
[09:22] <Discipulus> hmm
[09:22] <seth_k> Ubuntian: what processor do you have?
[09:22] <Discipulus> what's Amd64 asm like?
[09:22] <Discipulus> difficult?
[09:23] <Ubuntian> pentium 3
[09:23] <chrissturm> othernoob, and thats the case since 2.6.11
[09:23] <sJaM> same just some extensions I guess Discipulus
[09:23] <othernoob> Ubuntian: type uname -a
[09:23] <Ubuntian> k
[09:23] <GigaClon> how do a do a for loop that loops thru the contents of a folder?
[09:23] <Discipulus> sJaM, ah, alright
[09:23] <ricosuave17> hoary??? is it tyhat one?
[09:23] <ulaas> i can mount memory stick on my sony k750 but cannot write. folders are 755. any ideas. I ve tried -rw
[09:23] <GigaClon> yeah
[09:23] <AndyR> raven3x7, im pretty sure they dont
[09:23] <HappyFool> GigaClon: 'for i in *; do echo $i; done'
[09:23] <eruin> chrissturm, eh... you're quite wrong
[09:23] <GigaClon> hoary = 5.04
[09:24] <sJaM> at least that what looks to me reasonable ?
[09:24] <haven_> Is there a way to drop to the console instead of loading gnome at computer startup?
[09:24] <dohpaz> I've updated my us.archive to ca.archive and when trying to install Gnet I continually get the error "Package libgnet2.0-0 has no available version, but exists in the database." which will not let me install Pan. What else can I do?
[09:24] <eruin> 2.4 was stable, 2.5 was unstable, 2.6 is stable
[09:24] <ErmaC`> hmmz
[09:24] <othernoob> chrissturm: and that wasn't like that before with 2.4 and the others? no, couldnt be....
[09:24] <ricosuave17> ok im confused
[09:24] <Ubuntian> someone knows how to download the kernel headers for 2.6.10?
[09:24] <ricosuave17> with the new realaeze
[09:24] <ricosuave17> help me
[09:24] <thoreauputic> wrtpeeps: if no one else has said it: Welcome to Ubuntu!
[09:24] <ErmaC`> can someone send me a defauld xorg.conf file? so i can use it as a backupfile? cuz i don't know if i edited my file well now?
[09:24] <eruin> the minor release numbers after that are only a sign of the maturity of the branch
[09:24] <ErmaC`> can someone send me a defauld xorg.conf file? so i can use it as a backupfile? cuz i don't know if i edited my file well now?
[09:24] <othernoob> ricosuave17: the next release will be breezy. in 5.10 afaik
[09:24] <Ubuntian> othernoob, thanks it work
[09:24] <wims> How do i config my xorg.conf so i can make use of the back and forth buttons i have on my mouse?
[09:24] <othernoob> Ubuntian: you're welcome
[09:25] <ErmaC`> wim
[09:25] <ErmaC`> wims
[09:25] <ricosuave17> ok so i get hoary or normal 5.04
[09:25] <chrissturm> othernoob, before it was like that: 2.5= unstable, 2.6 =stable, 2.3 = unstable
[09:25] <ErmaC`> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:25] <ErmaC`> wims
[09:25] <chrissturm> eruin, that changed after 2.6.11 :)
[09:25] <ErmaC`> $$
[09:25] <ErmaC`> ^
[09:25] <eruin> hoary IS 5.04, ricosuave17
[09:25] <ErmaC`> can someone send me a defauld xorg.conf file? so i can use it as a backupfile? cuz i don't know if i edited my file well now?
[09:25] <othernoob> chrissturm: i know. don't take my name seriously.
[09:25] <ricosuave17> but it shows 2 different folders
[09:25] <AndyR> Ubuntian, use synaptic and search for kernel
[09:25] <haven_> Hello?
[09:25] <eruin> are they trying to fool me into believing 2.6.12 is stable?
[09:25] <wrtpeeps> thoreauputic: thanks! i love it, and don't expect to use anything else :D
[09:25] <eruin> 2.6.12 is an UTTER piece of fkin crap
[09:26] <ErmaC`> can someone send me a defauld xorg.conf file? so i can use it as a backupfile? cuz i don't know if i edited my file well now?
[09:26] <thoreauputic> wrtpeeps: good to hear :)
[09:26] <othernoob> eruin 2.6.12 is the latest stable kernle according to kernel.org ;)
[09:26] <Seveas> eruin, 2.6.12 is not available for hoary
[09:26] <Seveas> do not use it on hoary
[09:26] <eruin> I use it on breezy
[09:26] <chrissturm> othernoob, hehe sorry then
[09:26] <ErmaC`> :'(
[09:26] <Seveas> eruin, breezy is even more unstable
[09:26] <Seveas> don't complain.
[09:26] <othernoob> chrissturm:  no problem ;)
[09:26] <eruin> err, or rather, I'd like to but can't
[09:27] <eruin> Seveas, I'm not complaining
[09:27] <limer> anyone know of a good cli nntp client (binaries)?
[09:27] <mumbles> wow.. comptue room was far to hot
[09:27] <wrtpeeps> thoreauputic: i must congradulate you on a very simple installer
[09:27] <Seveas> eruin, sure...
[09:27] <ErmaC`> Sionide can i get your xorg.conf file? so i can use it as a backup?
[09:27] <ErmaC`> grrrr
[09:27] <thoreauputic> wrtpeeps: heh - don't congratulate me - i'm just a user ;)
[09:27] <raven3x7> AndyR thanks. i suspectes as much. at least 2d works properly the nv driver sucks and nvidia wont work
[09:27] <Ubuntian> AndyR, there are headers there but not for the 2.6.10
[09:27] <Seveas> fyi, the kernel itself is perfectly stable. some userland tools just need to be adapted and that's the job for othrs (and that's being done in breezy now)
[09:28] <thoreauputic> wrtpeeps: the installer is actually the Debian Sarge installer with a few tweaks
[09:28] <ulaas> ErmaC. Go to pastebin
[09:28] <wrtpeeps> it is VERY easy
[09:28] <wrtpeeps> and fast
[09:29] <Ubuntian> ok i got it, thanks all
[09:29] <wrtpeeps> hmmm, where can i get 'mp3 decoders' to play mp3's
[09:29] <Seveas> wrtpeeps: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[09:29] <AndyR> popey, howdy :)
[09:29] <othernoob> Seveas: would you happen to know who comes up with the ubuntu release names?
[09:29] <raven3x7> Ubuntian search for inux-headers not kernel
[09:29] <wrtpeeps> wow, he types fast...
[09:29] <ulaas> ErmaC' , and get rid of that  ' sign at the end of your nick.....
[09:29] <Seveas> othernoob, sabdfl (aka Mark Shuttleworth)
[09:29] <thoreauputic> wrtpeeps: some people complain about the lack of a GUI installer... as you say, the existing one is very simple and quick
[09:29] <othernoob> Seveas: thanks
[09:30] <gm78> this is really off-topic, but u know what i wish someone would invent....a mouse that actually works :P
[09:30] <thoreauputic> wrtpeeps: some people have their IRC clients set up with aliases for frequently asked questions ;)
[09:30] <limer> anyone know of a good cli nntp client (binaries)?
[09:31] <Seveas> thoreauputic, you got me :)
[09:31] <mumbles> get a optical one
[09:31] <spasmodo> can I say to not format /home when I reinstall?
[09:31] <gm78> spasmodo, is it on a seperate partition?
[09:31] <spasmodo> it is on a different HD
[09:31] <Seveas> spasmodo, you can
[09:31] <spasmodo> nice
[09:31] <othernoob> spasmodo: yes, manual partitioning
[09:31] <spasmodo> cool
[09:31] <thoreauputic> Seveas: heh - ah well, one day I'll get around to doing the same here :)
[09:31] <spasmodo> is that in expert, or normal?
[09:31] <gangalee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive?highlight=%28add%29%7C%28partition%29 is what I was asking for all along
[09:31] <wrtpeeps> thoreauputic: how do i install 'gstreamer0.8-mad'
[09:31] <othernoob> spasmodo: both afaik
[09:31] <wrtpeeps> it says i need that
[09:32] <spasmodo> sweet
[09:32] <spasmodo> time to get it done
[09:32] <gm78> wrtpeeps, search for it in synaptic
[09:32] <spasmodo> thanks all
[09:32] <Seveas> thoreauputic, want my FAQ script?
[09:32] <dj28> is there any way i can remove postfix from my system without apt removing ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop? it seems stupid.
[09:32] <hodgman> virgule: thanks for trying though :)
[09:32] <gm78> wrtpeeps, u need to have universe and multiverse enabled
[09:32] <thoreauputic> wrtpeeps: from the commandline, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:32] <wrtpeeps> i tried that thoreauputic
[09:32] <gm78> dj28, removing ubuntu-base and desktop wont hurt anything
[09:32] <thoreauputic> wrtpeeps: you willl need repositories
[09:32] <wrtpeeps> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:32] <thoreauputic> !repositories
[09:32] <Seveas> gm78, well.....
[09:32] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:33] <dj28> gm78: how will it not when i fucking use it?
[09:33] <Seveas> it might hurt on upgrades to not have them installed
[09:33] <gm78> dj28, they are empty packages that just rely on the base system
[09:33] <thoreauputic> wrtpeeps: read the bot's URL
[09:33] <dj28> that doesn't make sense
[09:33] <gm78> dj28, lol, waiting for my answer would have worked better than swearing at me
[09:33] <dj28> why would ubuntu-base be empty
[09:33] <dohpaz> I cannot get Pan to install because it continually complains that gnet is no longer available to install. When I try to install gnet it tells me the package is no longer available. I'm not using the reported broken us mirror anymore, and I still get the same errors. I just installed Hoary last night. I need help, please. :)
[09:33] <gm78> dj28, it is incase u dont have gnome installed, u just install ubuntu-desktop and it will install everything for u
[09:33] <dj28> and why would it remove an empty package
[09:34] <gm78> dj28, trust me, the package is empty
[09:34] <thoreauputic> wrtpeeps: basically you add universe and multiverse for your repos
[09:34] <virgule> hodgman: np.. I googled a bit but couldnt find clues. thats a good idea you could bring to the developer's hear
[09:34] <HappyFool> he doesn't have to trust you, he can run 'dpkg -L ubuntu-base'
[09:34] <gm78> dj28, it is called a dummy package, it is just there to rely on other packages
[09:35] <gm78> dj28, i dont have it on mine but i have gnome running right now
[09:35] <dj28> so if it's there for a reason, will it break anything by removing it? furthermore, why the hell does postfix depend on ubuntu-desktop?
[09:35] <mumbles> questio n
[09:35] <wrtpeeps> thoreauputic: once i have enabled universe, i just do the sudo apt-get thing?
[09:35] <mumbles> if i buy a creative live 5.1 sound card will ubuntu work ?
[09:35] <gm78> dj28, it shouldnt, i have postfix installed but not ubuntu-desktop....r u sure its not the other way around? that ubuntu-desktop depends on postfix?
[09:35] <dj28> hm
[09:35] <mumbles> sill work if i put it in
[09:36] <thoreauputic> wrtpeeps: first you do sudo apt-get update
[09:36] <dj28> hold on and i'll paste the apt output (4 lines)
[09:36] <wrtpeeps> yea
[09:36] <thoreauputic> to update the database of packages
[09:36] <dj28> root@greaselap:/home/dj28 # apt-get remove postfix
[09:36] <dj28> Reading package lists... Done
[09:36] <dj28> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:36] <dj28> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[09:36] <dj28>   anacron at lsb mailx mutt postfix postfix-tls ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop
[09:36] <raven3x7> anyone else having mplayer conflict with nvidia drivers installation?
[09:36] <dj28> this is a desktop system.. i don't really need a mail server running
[09:37] <wrtpeeps> ok, so once i have installed gstreamer0.8-mad i can play mp3 via rythmbox
[09:37] <thoreauputic> dj28: please read the channel topic and use a pastebin
[09:37] <wrtpeeps> ?
[09:37] <HappyFool> i'm not sure that removing anacron is a good idea. or att
[09:37] <HappyFool> at, even
[09:37] <thoreauputic> wrtpeeps: you should be able to, yes
[09:37] <HappyFool> dj28: it doesn't really do any harm, and that is how messages sent to root will reach you
[09:37] <gm78> dj28, that is normal. basically, ubuntu-desktop and base are empty packages, say all u have is cli utilities installed. u just type apt-get install ubuntu-desktop instead of going through and installing all of gnome individually, it is just for conveniance....removing it wont affect ur system at all
[09:37] <HappyFool> dj28: well, at least i think that mail is handled by postfix; i may be wrong
[09:38] <dj28> gm78: ok that's all i need to know. thanks ;)
[09:38] <dj28> so it won't remove gnome?
[09:38] <gm78> dj28, no prob
[09:38] <thoreauputic> HappyFool: yes, postfix does local delivery IIRC
[09:38] <gm78> dj28, nope...i am running gnome and dont have it installed
[09:38] <black-whisp> does anyone know wheter there is a gnutella client for linux=
[09:38] <wrtpeeps> thoreauputic: 1 more thing, all my mp3's are netwroked on another computer, how do i browse across that network (i can get to it via places/network servers) so i know it is set up right
[09:38] <dj28> ok thanks
[09:38] <gm78> dj28, welcome
[09:38] <wrtpeeps> this is to add to the playlist
[09:38] <gm78> black-whisp, limewire, gtk-gnutella...and i believe a few more
[09:39] <thoreauputic> wrtpeeps: you should be able to use the file manager (nautilus)
[09:39] <black-whisp> gm78: thx. :)
[09:39] <gm78> black-whisp, welcome
[09:39] <wrtpeeps> yea, but i need to get across via rhythmbox, to add songs to the playlist
[09:39] <geargolem> having trouble installing cbrpager
[09:39] <subjectdenied> hi
[09:39] <basti> hey I get following errors:
[09:39] <basti> WARNING: No appropriate sound libraries found.
[09:39] <basti> You can still compile Ultimate Stunts, but
[09:39] <basti> sound will not be available
[09:39] <basti> WARNING: SDL library not found
[09:39] <basti> You may still be able to compile the non-graphical programs,
[09:39] <basti> but that is not guaranteed
[09:39] <ulaas> i can mount memory stick on my sony k750 but cannot write. folders are 755. any ideas. I ve tried -rw
[09:39] <basti> what to do?
[09:39] <queuetue> How do I give ssh (or really, scp) a password on the command line?
[09:39] <thoreauputic> wrtpeeps: if it is a windows network, you may need samba support (I only have Linux on my network so I'm using NFS)
[09:40] <subjectdenied> my harddisk seems to turn on and off evey 10 seconds
[09:40] <othernoob> basti: well, that's a tough one, maybe use pastebin next time? ;)
[09:40] <subjectdenied> could this be a linux problem?
[09:40] <basti> sorry
[09:40] <wrtpeeps> k
[09:40] <gm78> basti, please use pastebin. anyways, install the -dev packages for those things using synaptic
[09:40] <geargolem> Help installing a program, please.
[09:40] <gm78> subjectdenied, what do u mean off and on? does it literally shut off so u cant use it?
[09:40] <basti> what packages?
[09:40] <medgno> can anyone help me setting up a tv tuner card?
[09:40] <geargolem> cbrpage
[09:41] <thoreauputic> queuetue: it should prompt you for a password
[09:41] <subjectdenied> gm78: it sounds like it's parking
[09:41] <gm78> medgno, which kind of card? like which chipset
[09:41] <medgno> gm78, bttv
[09:41] <subjectdenied> and yes the whole systems seems to freeze then
[09:41] <gm78> medgno, should already be working, u tried tvtime?
[09:41] <medgno> yep
[09:41] <queuetue> thoreauputic, In a script. :)
[09:41] <basti> whjat sound libs do I need?
[09:41] <gm78> medgno, which model number for the card...like who made it?
[09:41] <subjectdenied> i'm in breezy now, but i had this problem in hoary too
[09:41] <othernoob> subjectdenied: and it doesn't do that in windows?
[09:41] <limer> woot.  "tin" sounds good for cli nntp :D
[09:41] <medgno> I can use the S-Video input, but trying to tune broadcast tv, not working
[09:42] <subjectdenied> i'm not sure
[09:42] <jugarnatha> Rockett17: thanks that worked
[09:42] <wrtpeeps> hmmm
[09:42] <gm78> subjectdenied, hmmmm....i still dont get what u mean :P
[09:42] <medgno> it's a "Leadtek Winfast tv 2000xp"
[09:42] <subjectdenied> i don't use it that often since ubuntu was released ;-)
[09:42] <othernoob> subjectdenied: well make sure then :P
[09:42] <subjectdenied> could this be due to harddisk errors?
[09:42] <dohpaz> I cannot get Pan to install because it continually complains that gnet is no longer available to install. When I try to install gnet it tells me the package is no longer available. I'm not using the reported broken us mirror anymore, and I still get the same errors. I just installed Hoary last night. I need help, please. :)
[09:42] <othernoob> sounds more like a hardware prob though.
[09:42] <gm78> medgno, what does it do when u open tvtime?
[09:42] <othernoob> old hdds?
[09:43] <JohnFlux> how do I get the 'win' key to work?
[09:43] <subjectdenied> yes, old hdds
[09:43] <bddebian> Install Windows?
[09:43] <JohnFlux> i assume i need to chose a different keyboard layout?
[09:43] <JohnFlux> bddebian: :P
[09:43] <othernoob> subjectdenied: maybe they're about to die ;)
[09:43] <medgno> I get a blue screen, saying "no signal"
[09:43] <subjectdenied> is this the normal sign of harddisks going to hell?
[09:43] <gm78> JohnFlux, u can set it up in gnome-keybinding-properties
[09:43] <thoreauputic> queuetue: ah, then you may want to set up passwordless ssh - see http://www.securitydocs.com/library/3385 for example
[09:43] <XRayNuke> JohnFlux: you must ask yourself the question "What do I want it to work as?"
[09:43] <JohnFlux> gm78: and in kde ;0
[09:44] <othernoob> subjectdenied: well it's not a healthy sign
[09:44] <JohnFlux> XRayNuke: kde uses it for the K menu
[09:44] <abbot45> do you guys know what that one online tv show is about that kid that is running the dvd pirating group, where it shows his IRC conversations and stuff?  im trying to find it again.
[09:44] <gm78> medgno, can u post the output of lspci that is releevant to the card?
[09:44] <SS2> good evening, somebody here that uses inkscape?
[09:44] <gm78> JohnFlux, lol, no clue then
[09:44] <SS2> having problems with the knot points
[09:44] <medgno> 0000:04:02.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11)
[09:44] <limer> abbot45, google for "thescene"
[09:44] <subjectdenied> is it possible to "mark" the errors by reformating the harddisk?
[09:44] <queuetue> thoreauputic, Why doesn't ssh support password on the commandline?  I don't especially *want* to put my site's security in the hands of a file that I need ot keep an eye on now...
[09:44] <carambol> hi i have install realplayer with apt but it cant startup
[09:44] <abbot45> limer: thanks, i had just forgot the name.
[09:45] <limer> abbot45: yw :D
[09:45] <hex_ffff> Does anyone know how to get the current running program to show up in the tabs in gnome-terminal?
[09:45] <othernoob> subjectdenied: i have no idea what you mean by mark
[09:45] <subjectdenied> so no data is written to the areas that are phyisically corrupt?
[09:45] <thoreauputic> queuetue: umm... ssh *does* support passwords on the commandline
[09:45] <gm78> carambol, post the output of ps -A | grep esd
[09:45] <eruin> Quest-Master, since when didnt ssh support that?
[09:45] <inglorion> hi, i have some settings in .xmodmaprc that i would like loaded whenever i log in, but i accidentally disabled the dialog that lets me specify to load these automatically. how can i get that dialog back?
[09:45] <queuetue> thoreauputic, in a script?
[09:45] <carambol> ok,gm78
[09:45] <gm78> medgno, can u post the output of lsmod | grep bttv
[09:46] <truz24> What ubuntu package will allow me to run php scripts on the command line ?
[09:46] <medgno> gm78, should I /msg you?
[09:46] <gm78> medgno, start a pm with me using the /query command
[09:46] <subjectdenied> by mark i mean, telling the os not to use the area which are corrupt
[09:46] <thoreauputic> queuetue: surely you can write the script so that it will prompt for a password when needed?
[09:46] <subjectdenied> low-level format?
[09:47] <Quest-Master> eruin: Huh?
[09:47] <othernoob> i dont think so.
[09:47] <carambol> gm78,rudi@h90238:~$ ps -A |grep esd
[09:47] <carambol>  6979 ?        00:00:19 esd
[09:47] <carambol>  6981 ?        00:00:00 esd
[09:47] <carambol> rudi@h90238:~$
[09:47] <gm78> carambol, killall esd and then try running realplayer
[09:48] <carambol> ok
[09:48] <queuetue> thoreauputic, and how do I give that password *to* scp?  There does not appear to be a commandline switch for it. :)
[09:49] <gm78> If I put an executable shell script in /etc/init.d will it automatically be run on each boot?
[09:49] <sJaM> can you specify a password on the commandline with ssh ?
[09:49] <hondje> queuetue: You need to use keys for that, as far as I know
[09:49] <sJaM> doesn't look very safe to me
[09:49] <carambol> thnx gm78
[09:50] <chrissturm> sJaM, better use public key authentication
[09:50] <thoreauputic> queuetue: well, I guess someone else will have to answer that - I use public/private key pairs so passwords aren't an issue
[09:50] <sJaM> why not using ssh-agent && ssh-add
[09:50] <sJaM> I do chrissturm
[09:50] <subjectdenied> is it possible to check a harddisk for physical errors even when linux is installed on it?
[09:50] <gm78> carambol, go to System >> Preferences >> Sound and shut off Enable sound server startup so u dont have to do that each time
[09:50] <gm78> carambol, no prob
[09:50] <chrissturm> sJaM, :D
[09:51] <spasmodo> I am going to reinstall
[09:51] <spasmodo> but I am going to save my /etc to reuse
[09:51] <spasmodo> what else?
[09:51] <carambol> its all ok ,gm78
[09:51] <carambol> i am lissing to bbc with real now
[09:51] <gm78> carambol, alright
[09:52] <carambol> many thanks
[09:52] <gm78> carambol, if u dont do that, u will need to run killall esd everytime u login tho
[09:52] <subjectdenied> is lists.ubuntu.com down at the moment?
[09:52] <carambol> the server i had enabled before already
[09:53] <mumbles> what was the last thing i said ?
[09:53] <thoreauputic> subjectdenied: can't ping it from here
[09:53] <subjectdenied> ok thanks
[09:53] <dohpaz> hello?
[09:54] <hondje> hi
[09:54] <carambol> server was already enabled, gm78
[09:54] <spasmodo> hello dohpaz
[09:54] <gm78> carambol, oh, ok
[09:54] <dohpaz> oh good; i am being seen... just ignored.
[09:54] <spasmodo> sorry dohpaz
[09:54] <hondje> I was going to admit seeing you earlier when you asked, but it sounded too angsty for me to want to get into
[09:54] <spasmodo> what;s up?
[09:54] <othernoob> dohpaz: that's life, isn't it wonderful ;)
[09:55] <dohpaz> oh especially wonderful....
[09:55] <sJaM> angsty, hondje are you dutch ?
[09:55] <Romzhv> hello every1
[09:55] <hondje> No
[09:56] <dohpaz> i need help installing pan, or more specifically gnet which pan requires but is not available for me to install.
[09:56] <hondje> I'm snoodaard-ese
[09:57] <hondje> dohpaz: sudo apt-get install pan doesn't work?
[09:58] <TokenBad> hondje, comcast is going to send out a tech
[09:58] <hondje> TokenBad: nice :)
[09:58] <TokenBad> guess they couldn't tell what was wrong
[09:58] <tony__> hi all
[09:58] <hondje> TokenBad: How'd you twist them into admiting it was broke?
[09:58] <dohpaz> hondje, why would the cli work and not synaptic?
[09:58] <TokenBad> told them what the logs said
[09:58] <SDFH_Linux> guys is it safe to move up to gcc 4.0?
[09:58] <TokenBad> and basicly said I know something is wrong
[09:59] <hondje> dohpaz: I dunno, I've not messed with synaptic much
[09:59] <TokenBad> been in computers for 15 years
[09:59] <TokenBad> so can't tell me something isn't wrong
[09:59] <thoreauputic> dohpaz: there doesn't seem to be a package called gnet - libgnet2.0-0
[09:59] <thoreauputic>  perhaps??
[09:59] <tony__> short q i couldnt find the answer to.. feel free to answer... I am lacking "checking for libz... configure: error: not found." what pack do i need to get ?
[09:59] <hex_ffff> Does anyone know how to get the current running program to show up in the tabs in gnome-terminal?
[09:59] <hex_ffff> it works on debian
[09:59] <hondje> gnet is a listed as the dep for the pan pkg, it should go automagically :-/
[09:59] <hex_ffff> but no ubuntu
[09:59] <hex_ffff> not
[10:00] <SDFH_Linux> guys is it safe to move up to gcc 4.0?
[10:00] <gm78> Does anyone know how to set up a shell script to run in /etc/init.d at every boot?
[10:00] <hondje> SDFH_Linux: Depends on what you define safe as
[10:00] <SDFH_Linux> will it break anything?
[10:00] <HappyFool> SDFH_Linux: have you asked in #gcc? there are probably a variety of considerations
[10:00] <hondje> I would, but not for something in production
[10:00] <gverig> Anybody knows how bootlog is called in ubuntu? I am booting into runlevel 2 with no sound (with GDM). I want to check why I am in runlevel 2. and where is my sound :)
[10:00] <hondje> SDFH_Linux: yeah, like gettext
[10:01] <thoreauputic> hex_ffff: it's probably set up in .bashrc or /etc/bash.bashrc on debian - have you looked at those files at all ?
[10:01] <HappyFool> gverig: runlevel 2 is the default
[10:01] <dohpaz> hondje, thank you for helping me solve this problem.
[10:01] <thoreauputic> hex_ffff: Ubuntu seems to show the working directory instead
[10:01] <hondje> dohpaz: you're welcome
[10:01] <HappyFool> gverig: have you looked in /var/log/syslog, /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/messages?
[10:01] <gverig> HappyFool: ? Isn't runlevel 5 usually default? BTW, why does Ubuntu have all runlevels with GDM and stuff?
[10:02] <HappyFool> gverig: runlevel 5 = GUI is a redhat thing (maybe suse too, i don't know)
[10:02] <gverig> HappyFool: Yup, looking there too but I don't think boot sequence is there
[10:02] <thoreauputic> gm78: have a look at the update-rc.d command
[10:02] <hondje> suse does it too I think
[10:02] <gverig> HappyFool: Really? I thought it is a standard...
[10:02] <HappyFool> gverig: could be, i dunno ;)
[10:02] <spasmodo> gm78 - you could install the Ubuntu Boot Up Manager
[10:02] <spasmodo> and do it with a GUI
[10:02] <gverig> HappyFool: OK, will look into messages and stuff...
[10:02] <hondje> Debian follows all standards better than RH does :)
[10:03] <nikkia> HappyFool: its a SysV thing
[10:03] <HappyFool> gverig: anyway, you can switch off gdm if it bugs you. For sound, take a look on the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TitleIndex
[10:03] <hondje> I think only 0 and 6 are reserved
[10:03] <nikkia> redhat just copied them :)
[10:03] <HappyFool> nikkia: ok. who did debian copy?
[10:03] <nikkia> happy, noone
[10:03] <HappyFool> nikkia: *gasp*
[10:03] <gm78> spasmodo, which package is that? i searched for it in synaptic and couldnt find it
[10:04] <spasmodo> gm78
[10:04] <spasmodo> I thinkit is in extras?
[10:04] <spasmodo> not sure shich repo
[10:04] <spasmodo> it works well though
[10:04] <gm78> spasmodo, well i have all the repos enabled. i remember looking for it before and not being able to find it
[10:04] <spasmodo> hmm
[10:04] <gverig> HappyFool: I had sound just this morning (until I got network problems and had to reboot...)
[10:04] <din>  /j fedora
[10:04] <din> oops
[10:05] <spasmodo> gm78 I am not in ubuntu now sadly, so I can not look
[10:05] <TokenBad> power levels on my download is way low
[10:05] <gverig> HappyFool: I can't find any mention of ESD or ALSA in any of the logs you mentioned.
[10:05] <gverig> anywho, bbl (30 min), sorry
[10:05] <HappyFool> gverig: eek. i've had bad luck helping people with sound ;). Take a look at alsamixer -- maybe a channel has become muted
[10:05] <hex_ffff> Does anyone know how to get the current running program to show up in the tabs in gnome-terminal? Are there xml configs that change the behavior?
[10:05] <DukGalNamu> hey guys, how do i make a program non dependent on the terminal that is running it?
[10:05] <spasmodo> gm: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#bum
[10:05] <nightswim> xpde
[10:05] <carambol> gm78,but i lost the events sounds
[10:06] <gm78> carambol, yeah, esd doesnt play nice with alsa
[10:06] <HappyFool> gverig: also sometimes channels *need* to be muted (weird line-in channels was one example i encountered)
[10:06] <FlyingSquirrel32> when I use connect to server, what's going on in the background? Is the remote filesystem being mounted somewhere?
[10:06] <carambol> is it not better to use alsa?
[10:06] <FlyingSquirrel32> where can I get more info aout it?
[10:06] <ompaul> nightswim, thank you very mich
[10:06] <thoreauputic> gm78: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=75  << boot up manager
[10:06] <gijosh> Hey.  I'm about to install gcc.  Which package should I use?
[10:06] <HappyFool> gijosh: build-essential
[10:06] <ompaul> nightswim, thank you very much (even :))
[10:06] <cmatheson> gijosh: build-essential
[10:07] <hondje> FlyingSquirrel32: what kind of server?
[10:07] <hondje> nfs, yes, web no, etc
[10:07] <Thorrn4> hello!! I was wondering; how can I mount a Win NTFS harddrive so that I can take the data off of it?
[10:07] <carambol> gm78 if i use alsa and OSS will it not be better?
[10:07] <DukGalNamu> hey guys, how do i make a program non dependent on the terminal that is running it???
[10:07] <FlyingSquirrel32> hondje :well, I usually use it to connect to smb shares
[10:07] <antoranz> I'm having this problem with squid
[10:07] <gijosh> Happy Fool: cmatheson: Thanks
[10:07] <hondje> Thorrn4: mount -t ntfs /dev/hd?? /path/to/mount I think
[10:07] <ce33na> Thorrn4: make an adition to /etc/fstab
[10:07] <antoranz> if I use a mutltipath route, squid goes nuts
[10:08] <devios> anyone see that Linspire news that they are gonna include transgaming's stuff out of the box?
[10:08] <gm78> carambol, yeah, but the event sounds rely on esd
[10:08] <smite> hi ppl... ubuntu owns so bad =D
[10:08] <antoranz> anybody has an idea of what could be wrong?
[10:08] <ce33na> Thorrn4: or you could temporarily mount it also
[10:08] <hondje> FlyingSquirrel32: easy way to check is to open a terminal and type 'mount'....that'll show you what is mounted where
[10:08] <smite> anyone know a way to convert a file from little to big endian? specifically a tif and convert -endian doesn't do anything
[10:08] <carambol> ok...no way the solve this?, gm78
[10:08] <Thorrn4> ce33na, that would be betetr
[10:08] <ce33na> temp?
[10:08] <hondje> FlyingSquirrel32: But SMB doesn't mount things afaik, unless you use smbmount
[10:08] <DukGalNamu> devios: no WAY thats kind of cool.... but linspire charges like crazy for things debian comes stock with....
[10:09] <hondje> smite: though you steal my name, I will be nice and tell you to use imagemagick
[10:09] <yourghetek> how do i know what the display # is on my system?
[10:09] <hondje> :)
[10:09] <ErmaC`> can someone help me?
[10:09] <hondje> yourghetek: echo $DISPLAY ?
[10:09] <cmatheson> yourghetek: it's most likely :0
[10:09] <ErmaC`> i edited my xorg.conf :s
[10:09] <thoreauputic> yourghetek: echo $DISPLAY
[10:09] <subjectdenied> could anyone tell me the console-application for configuring services that are executed at startup?
[10:09] <ErmaC`> but now my screen is fucked up
[10:10] <smite> hondje: that's what i just did. "convert -endian" is part of imagemagick
[10:10] <DukGalNamu> in either case i need someone to tell me how to make btdownloadheadless independent of the terminal its running in...
[10:10] <hex_ffff> Does anyone know how to get the current running program to show up in the tabs in gnome-terminal? It works in debian, but not ubuntu.
[10:10] <hondje> smite: oh, hrm
[10:10] <gm78> carambol, sorry zoned out. i havent found a way yet
[10:10] <hondje> then you did what I would do :)
[10:11] <smite> hondje: i made an 8x8 pixel tif and od results the same thing for the lsb and msb versions......
[10:11] <spasmodo> ErmaC - and you want to revert to the old one?
[10:11] <ErmaC`>  I edited my xorg.conf file, but now my screen resolution totally fucked up, weird pixels everywhere
[10:11] <FlyingSquirrel32> hondje: shame, thanks.
[10:11] <thoreauputic> hex_ffff: it is almost certainly in ~/.bashrc , /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc, and it isn't xml - it's an option for xterminals
[10:11] <youth> I'm trying to use wine and I almost had it installed but it says that I need "Xlib/Xfree86 at the very least".
[10:11] <youth> Where can I get those if they're not in synaptic?
[10:11] <Heimdall> is there someone here who knows why the mean speed of download is limited at 7ko/s in amule statistics ?
[10:11] <youth> Or since it says "at the very least", what's a step up from that?
[10:13] <thoreauputic> hex_ffff: you would need to edit the line with the comment # If this is an xterm set the title to user@host:dir in ~/.bashrc
[10:13] <virgule> ?
[10:13] <hondje> smite: if there's an #imagemagick you might get a good answer
[10:13] <DukGalNamu> ErmaC`: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:14] <ErmaC`> but i don't know exactly wath to do in that reconfigure-script cuz it's all the time fucked up when i reboot
[10:14] <action09> damn
[10:14] <Almindor> how do you start firebird in this thing?
[10:14] <DukGalNamu> ErmaC`: even in command liine?
[10:14] <hondje> FlyingSquirrel32: what's a shame?
[10:14] <cmatheson> Almindor: have you installed it
[10:14] <Almindor> yes
[10:14] <cmatheson> Almindor: type 'thunderbird' at the prompt
[10:15] <Almindor> cmatheson, I mean the DB not the mail client
[10:15] <cmatheson> Almindor: oh sorry
[10:15] <DukGalNamu> ErmaC`: press control alt F1
[10:15] <HappyFool> Almindor: maybe /usr/share/doc/firebird will tell you
[10:15] <ErmaC`> dukgal i mean, the screen reso is now about 640*480 really big :s not normal, i just need to fix it to a smaller reso, but with the screenresolution wizard it doesnt work, can only choose 640*480
[10:15] <DukGalNamu> ErmaC`: and go into command line, then type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:15] <hex_ffff> thoreauputic: I'll try that thanks!
[10:16] <yourghetek> is there a graphical nx client in repos?
[10:16] <thoreauputic> ErmaC`: you'll need to use sudo with that command
[10:16] <DukGalNamu> ErmaC`: ohh, have you tried typing control alt + or -?
[10:16] <ErmaC`> indeed
[10:16] <alex__> i've a question. I'd like to create a folder over my personal folder where collocate all wallpapers. I wanna ask you this questio: what folder can i put them in? Have you got an advice for me?
[10:16] <ErmaC`> how DukGalNamu ?
[10:16] <macewan> hey all
[10:17] <cmatheson> alex__: wherever you want
[10:17] <thoreauputic> alex__: you can put them anywhere you like
[10:17] <ce33na> alex__: /home/<your user name>/wallpaper
[10:17] <thoreauputic> alex__: e.g. mkdir wallpapers
[10:17] <DukGalNamu> ErmaC`: ust press control+alt then hit either the plus (+) or minus (-) key
[10:17] <mumbles> ermm... who was pming me ?
[10:17] <alex__> well, ce33na have a good idea
[10:17] <socomm> I was pwning you.
[10:17] <alex__> maybe it's the best. what do you think about?
[10:17] <socomm> :^))
[10:18] <ErmaC`> DukGalNamu,  doesn't work
[10:18] <ce33na> alex__: thats where all mine are
[10:18] <thoreauputic> alex__: you can call it anything you wish - it won't really matter
[10:18] <wims> I messed up my xorg.conf and i forgot to make a backup copy, can someone send me a clean copy?
[10:18] <alex__> ce33na, well i think it's a good position. THANK YOU!
[10:18] <DukGalNamu> ErmaC`: then you don't have the resolutions set, you need to reconfigure xorg the way i told you
[10:19] <ErmaC`> N
[10:19] <ErmaC`> with the pkg-stuff?
[10:19] <thoreauputic> ErmaC`: sudo apkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:19] <thoreauputic> sorry typo
[10:19] <DukGalNamu> ErmaC`: press ctrl+alt+F1 then log in as normal user then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:20] <mumbles> how would i go about doing what dorris says ? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=252708&postcount=4
[10:20] <thoreauputic> *sudo dpkg-reconfigure
[10:21] <raven3x7> anyone can suggest a alternative backports mirror to the mirramax one?
[10:21] <DukGalNamu> ErmaC`: and to get back press ctrl+alt+F7 or F6 or F8....
[10:22] <ErmaC`> ok
[10:22] <ce33na> raven3x7:I'm having backport problems lately also. I'm just going to try to wait it out.
[10:22] <Heimdall> it seems that the default ubuntu Mplayer does not support XviD format, where can I find the codec ?
[10:22] <thoreauputic> raven3x7: here>> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[10:22] <sJaM> gtg cu
[10:22] <mumbles> confused
[10:22] <ce33na> I've tried all four listed on the backports page and they all seem hosed
[10:22] <DukGalNamu> thoreauputic: tell me how to run a terminal program independent of the terminal please!!!
[10:23] <thoreauputic> DukGalNamu: I don't really follow you
[10:23] <DukGalNamu> thoreauputic: so that when i close the terminal the program doesn't stop
[10:24] <raven3x7> thoreupeutic thanks
[10:24] <thoreauputic> DukGalNamu: depending on the program, you can background it with & - but if you close the terminal that will also usually terminate the program, since it is a child process
[10:25] <ce33na> DukGalNamu: add "&" to the end of your command. It will run in the background.
[10:25] <airmikey> whats   ubuntu 6.04
[10:25] <DukGalNamu> thoreauputic: the program is btdownloadheadless, and its supposed to be able to come up on any terminal after the original is closed
[10:26] <thoreauputic> airmikey: the Ubuntu after Breezy - out next April
[10:26] <DukGalNamu> thoreauputic: still running
[10:26] <airmikey> trying to find   ubuntu for amd64
[10:26] <ce33na> DukGalNamu: if what thoreauputic says is happening to you, then do it from a straight command line by typing <ctrl> <alt> <F1>. To return to the desktop, type <alt> <F7>.
[10:27] <thoreauputic> DukGalNamu: another way is to use the GNU screen program, which allows you to detach and reattach terminal sessions
[10:27] <DukGalNamu> thoreauputic: THATS IT!!! thats what i want to do
[10:27] <DukGalNamu> thoreauputic: how do i do that? whats the name of the program so i can man it?
[10:27] <thoreauputic> DukGalNamu: the command is "screen" - and tha man pages are ... long ;)
[10:28] <thoreauputic> screen is a great program
[10:29] <thoreauputic> DukGalNamu: this might help >> http://jmcpherson.org/screen.html
[10:29] <tiglionabbit> http://f0rked.com/core/irssi
[10:29] <litte_john> my internet connection is very slow so can i buy an ubuntu cd somewher?
[10:30] <tiglionabbit> litte_john: free, shipped to anywhere in the world
[10:30] <litte_john> free?..wher?
[10:30] <tiglionabbit> http://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[10:31] <litte_john> ok..are it totaly free?..also the ship cost is free?
[10:31] <Xappe> yes
[10:31] <hondje> yep
[10:31] <tiglionabbit> mmhmm
[10:31] <litte_john> ohh..damn what nice
[10:31] <Cred> Hello. Could someone try to help me to get Labtec USB microphone to work? dmesg reveals this usbcore: registered new driver snd-usb-audio
[10:32] <TokenBad> what should power levels be on a cable modem when check signal?
[10:32] <ulaas> what is the latest version of firefox in hoary reposss ? 1.0.2 ???
[10:32] <thoreauputic> !firefox
[10:32] <ubotu> well, firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[10:32] <josgar> 1.0.4
[10:33] <ulaas> josgar, from backports right?
[10:33] <Ubuntian> does someone know how to create an image from a cd?
[10:33] <josgar> yes
[10:33] <ulaas> Ubuntian, mkisofs ?
[10:33] <Panzerboy> are there any problems with the mailing lists?
[10:33] <Ubuntian> ulaas, did u do it?
[10:33] <Panzerboy> i've send a message to the users list quite a while ago
[10:34] <mumbles> anoune aroudn to help with my sound ?
[10:34] <DukGalNamu> thoreauputic: i have to have screen already running to detatch the program don't i....
[10:34] <thoreauputic> DukGalNamu: yes, but that isn't really a problem - just run screen first
[10:34] <Ubuntian> ulaas, there is no GUI right?
[10:35] <ulaas> Ubuntian, there is
[10:35] <ulaas> Ubuntian, in fact there are
[10:35] <spasmodo> I am making a backup of an entire drive with dd
[10:35] <spasmodo> how to restore?
[10:35] <ulaas> Ubuntian, the greatest one which i am sure you will hate the gui is "xcdroast"
[10:36] <ulaas> Ubuntian, gnomebaker also can create iso i guess
[10:36] <mumbles> strange
[10:36] <mumbles> ubuntu wont find xconfig or gconfig as my google serches say
[10:36] <Ubuntian> ulaas, is there a misunderstanding? i'm trying to get an image of a CD, an copy it on my hard drive..
[10:36] <DukGalNamu> thoreauputic: in any case, problem solved !!!! thank you
[10:36] <cmatheson> spasmodo: w/ dd
[10:36] <Ubuntian> ulaas, xcdroast does that?
[10:37] <thoreauputic> DukGalNamu: no worries - screen is great for all kinds of stuff :)
[10:37] <ulaas> Ubuntian, hmmmm
[10:37] <cmatheson> Ubuntian: you could probably just dd if=/dev/cdrom of=foobar.iso
[10:37] <limer> exit
[10:37] <spasmodo> cmatheson - thanks
[10:37] <ulaas> Ubuntian, i think it does
[10:37] <cmatheson> spasmodo: no problem, just switch the if= and the of= values when you want to restore
[10:38] <spasmodo> cool, that makes sense!
[10:38] <gihef> Lo everybody
[10:39] <Ubuntian> cmatheson, and where does the iso goes?
[10:39] <gihef> I'm trying to get apache working on my amd64 hoary distro
[10:39] <Ubuntian> go
[10:39] <cmatheson> Ubuntian: whereever you tell it. if you don't specify it will just go in the current directory
[10:39] <XRayNuke> !java
[10:39] <Ubuntian> ohhh
[10:39] <ubotu> from memory, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[10:39] <Ubuntian> what's dd ?
[10:40] <Ubuntian> what is do or dd ?
[10:40] <cmatheson> Ubuntian: man dd
[10:40] <tiglionabbit> !newusers
[10:40] <ubotu> newusers is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUbuntuUsers
[10:40] <Ubuntian> cmatheson, k i'll try
[10:40] <thoreauputic> Ubuntian: probably short for "direct dump" or something like that
[10:40] <Ubuntian> k
[10:40] <ce33na> data dump
[10:41] <thoreauputic> ce33na: yeah, that sounds right :)
[10:41] <gihef> ok I guess i still can hang myself
[10:41] <spasmodo> is dd a recommended way to do disk backups?
[10:42] <cmatheson> tiglionabbit: did you just make that new users page or has that been around for a while?
[10:42] <thoreauputic> spasmodo: sure, but be careful with your if= and of=  ;-)
[10:42] <ErmaC`> hey
[10:42] <ErmaC`> (h)
[10:42] <ErmaC`> finally works normal again
[10:42] <spasmodo> ErmaC
[10:42] <spasmodo> got X going?
[10:42] <ErmaC`> but, it's still 800*60
[10:42] <ErmaC`> but, it's still 800*600
[10:42] <spasmodo> heh heh
[10:43] <JohnFlux> spasmodo: dd is dangerous if the second disk isn't exactly the same
[10:43] <tiglionabbit> cmatheson: I made it
[10:43] <JohnFlux> spasmodo: and two disks with the same model number aren't always the asme
[10:43] <cmatheson> JohnFlux: he's just making a backup, he's not copying to another disk
[10:43] <JohnFlux> asme
[10:43] <cmatheson> tiglionabbit: pretty sweet
[10:43] <JohnFlux> cmatheson: .......
[10:43] <tiglionabbit> thanks
[10:43] <JohnFlux> cmatheson: think about that :P
[10:43] <spasmodo> heh heh
[10:43] <cmatheson> JohnFlux: think about what? you're statement was entirely irrelevant
[10:43] <spasmodo> but not duplicating the disk
[10:44] <JohnFlux> cmatheson: if the disk fails, and you have the backup file, what are you going to do with it ?
[10:44] <tiglionabbit> but I made it last week, so if a week is a while, then yes it's been around
[10:44] <tiglionabbit> well I gotta go
[10:44] <JohnFlux> cmatheson: what's the point in a backup file you can't put on any new harddisk ? :)
[10:44] <cmatheson> JohnFlux: he's probably more worried about ruining data than a disk failing
[10:44] <cmatheson> JohnFlux: and even so he could partition the new drive accordingly
[10:44] <thoreauputic> JohnFlux: if the output file is specified properly, it should be fine - it's just a file with the data in it after all
[10:44] <cmatheson> JohnFlux: people have been using dd for backups for years it's no problem
[10:45] <ErmaC`> who helped me a couple of minutes ago with the reconfigure command of xserver-xorg?
[10:45] <thoreauputic> ErmaC`: several people I seem to recall
[10:46] <ErmaC`> :p
[10:46] <ErmaC`> hehe
[10:46] <Ubuntian> thanks all, tschuss
[10:46] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  <----- that one ?
[10:47] <GigaClon> hey calc, thanks for the help yesterday
[10:47] <ErmaC`> yes thoreauputic
[10:47] <ErmaC`> that one
[10:48] <IcemanV9> hrm .. 11G worth of data cannot backup to fd0? dang
[10:48] <IcemanV9> j/k :p
[10:48] <Kr> hi
[10:48] <thoreauputic> IcemanV9: write a new compression algorithm *grin*
[10:49] <ubuntu_rolph> hi how can I download a VNC server?
[10:49] <ubuntu_rolph> (totally new to Linux) I know how to use the CL though
[10:50] <khermans> Anyone know good software for making Screen Capture Movies?
[10:50] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: install the vncserver package
[10:50] <ubuntu_rolph> http://desktops.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/07/26/1815242&tid=6
[10:51] <ubuntu_rolph> thoreauputic: how do I do that?
[10:51] <thoreauputic> ubuntu_rolph: sorry that waas for you
[10:51] <thoreauputic> ubuntu_rolph: sudo apt-get install vncsever, or use the synaptic package manager
[10:51] <thoreauputic> *vncserver
[10:51] <ubuntu_rolph> thoreauputic, is there a command to do so?
[10:51] <IcemanV9> thought vnc is part of ubuntu, isn't it?
[10:51] <krueger> what's the name of the danish ubuntu chain ?
[10:51] <thoreauputic> see above
[10:51] <krueger> (channel)
[10:52] <thoreauputic> IcemanV9: yes, but not the server
[10:52] <IcemanV9> ahh .. ok
[10:53] <thoreauputic> krueger: would it be #ubuntu-dk  ?
[10:53] <krueger> i try..
[10:53] <thoreauputic> krueger: hmm - no-one there
[10:53] <krueger> thank you
[10:53] <krueger> lol..
[10:53] <ubuntu_rolph> E: Package vncserver has no installation candidate
[10:53] <krueger> but thanks anyway
[10:54] <thoreauputic> ubuntu_rolph: you need universe repo
[10:54] <ubuntu_rolph> how do I do that?
[10:54] <ubuntu_rolph> :p
[10:54] <thoreauputic> ubuntu_rolph: see the bot's URL below
[10:54] <thoreauputic> !repos
[10:54] <ubotu> I guess repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:55] <u19809> I want to man a hostname (say XYZ) to a DNS entry, suggestions ?
[10:55] <u19809> s/man/map
[10:55] <thoreauputic> ubuntu_rolph: it's basically a question of editing out some # marks in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:56] <bddebian> u19809: Put it in /etc/hosts
[10:56] <u19809> doesn't host onlyl map names to IP addresses ?
[10:56] <bddebian> u19809: Yes, what are you trying to do?
[10:56] <thoreauputic> u19809: hostnames and URLs
[10:57] <u19809> I use CVS and CVS stores the name of the host in a file
[10:57] <u19809> However when my laptop moves from behind firewall to outside
[10:57] <u19809> the IP address of the cvs server changes.
[10:57] <u19809> but the DNS name does not
[10:57] <u19809> so I want to have say cvsserver in the CVS file and then
[10:58] <u19809> have an alias from CVSserver to whatever the current IP address of the host is
[10:58] <thoreauputic> u19809: you can just map the alias to the IP in /etc/hosts
[10:58] <u19809> yes but the IP changes and then I would have to edit the host file every time
[10:58] <Madeye> hey, How to upgrade my kernel to  2.6.11? I'm using hoary ?
[10:59] <ubuntu_rolph> I'm on cd live though :P
[10:59] <HappyFool> if the "dns name" (i presume this is a name you can lookup via DNS) is constant, use that instead of cvsserver
[10:59] <thoreauputic> ubuntu_rolph: ah, well apt still works on the live CD AFAIK
[10:59] <u19809> OK let me rephrase.
[11:00] <u19809> cvs stores hostnames in the file
[11:00] <u19809> however depending on the location the IP adres of that hostname
[11:00] <u19809> changes (bind or before firewall)
[11:00] <u19809> So I am looking for a solution that would make that move abstract
[11:00] <u19809> s/bond/behind
[11:01] <u19809> s/bind/behind
[11:02] <mumbles> if i install a new sound card will i have to reinstall ubuntu ?
[11:02] <HappyFool> u19809: ok, so I have in a 'Root' file in CVS/ this:      :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/numpy
[11:02] <thoreauputic> mumbles: no
[11:03] <HappyFool> u19809: surely cvs doesn't care what the IP address of cvs.sourceforge.net is?
[11:03] <u19809> yes
[11:03] <HappyFool> u19809: i.e., shouldn't it Just Work ?
[11:03] <u19809> yes but if I am behind my firewall the Ip adress would resolve to the public IP address
[11:03] <u19809> causing traffic over slow ISP line
[11:03] <HappyFool> so what's the problem with that?
[11:03] <u19809> Speed
[11:03] <HappyFool> what do you want to happen instead?
[11:04] <u19809> and download limits
[11:04] <HappyFool> maybe you need to set up routing somehow, but that I don't know much about
[11:04] <u19809> yes I could set up a host route
[11:05] <HappyFool> u19809: gnome networking is probably not up to it, but i see it has a 'location' field (see System -> Administration -> Network settings)
[11:06] <HappyFool> u19809: last guess: put two entries for the host in /etc/hosts. Anyway, I'm off to bed.
[11:08] <thoreauputic> u19809: maybe write a small x=script that allows you to choose between the two connection methods? (also a guess)
[11:08] <thoreauputic> *script
[11:09] <lsuactiafner> u19809 : whats up?
[11:09] <u19809> I was thinking along the lines of using dnsmasq
[11:09] <u19809> lsuactiafner : I use cvs and cvs stores hosts
[11:09] <lsuactiafner> u19809 : if you want to map a hostname to an ip /etc/hosts
[11:09] <u19809> but that hostname resolves to an IP address that is public (i.e. on the internet)
[11:10] <thoreauputic> lsuactiafner: we've kind of covered that ground...
[11:10] <XRayNuke> I have a gtksudo question. I just set up Ubuntu, but I was installing to a USB drive so I had to go through the expert install and might have missed something because gtksudo doesn't work. Does it have something like the sudoers file and how do I add myself?
[11:10] <lsuactiafner> just add like this to a /etc/hosts
[11:10] <u19809> which causes the use of my download limited ISP connection when I am at home
[11:10] <lsuactiafner> 192.168.0.2             ut2004master2.epicgames.com
[11:10] <thoreauputic> XRayNuke: you need to run visudo and add yourself
[11:10] <u19809> hosts file is to fixed (my laptop moves)
[11:10] <thoreauputic> XRayNuke: the expert install skips sudo for some reason
[11:11] <lsuactiafner> u19809 : look into squid, iptables, bannerfilter, dnsmasq
[11:11] <lsuactiafner> i use a that setup to deny various ips ect to save bandwidth
[11:11] <thoreauputic> XRayNuke: BTW it's "gksudo"
[11:11] <Madeye> hey, How to upgrade my kernel to  2.6.11? I'm using hoary ?
[11:11] <lsuactiafner> that entry i just pasted is so my roommate can play ut2004.
[11:11] <thoreauputic> Madeye: don't
[11:11] <thoreauputic> Madeye: 2.6.11 has known issues
[11:12] <XRayNuke> thoreauputic: thanks. what is the most correct way to specify user privilege? i see the line for root; should I just copy that for myself, or is it a good idea to be more restrictive?
[11:12] <u19809> dnsmasq is the way to go if only my firewall (crap as it is) supports passing DNS server addresses
[11:12] <thoreauputic> XRayNuke: depends what you need
[11:12] <ErmaC`> i'm now on 800*600 resolution but i want to get on 1024*768 resolution, i don't have the option in the wizard screen-resolution how do i fix this? normally i can even run higher then 1024*768
[11:12] <XRayNuke> thoreauputic: sole user on a laptop used for development
[11:13] <Madeye> thoreauputic, known issues? where I can read more?
[11:13] <lsuactiafner> Madeye : learn to compile your own kernel and avoid issues and bugs and huge funny kernels.
[11:13] <thoreauputic> XRayNuke: %admin  ALL=(ALL) ALL    <--- admin group is added to sudoers by default
[11:14] <lsuactiafner> and ubuntu developers recommend users like you dont figure out how to compile your own kernel btw
[11:14] <ErmaC`> i'm now on 800*600 resolution but i want to get on 1024*768 resolution, i don't have the option in the wizard screen-resolution how do i fix this? normally i can even run higher then 1024*768
[11:14] <thoreauputic> Madeye: bugzilla I guess - I'm just passing on what I've seen and heard here from people like bob2
[11:14] <din> i've always made my own kernels :)
[11:14] <lsuactiafner> ubotu tell ErmaC` about resolution
[11:14] <lsuactiafner> yeh same
[11:14] <ErmaC`> yeah tell me (h)
[11:14] <Madeye> thoreauputic,  ah, Ok thanks
[11:15] <lsuactiafner> new iptables out so i think i will need to upgrade+patch
[11:16] <thoreauputic> lsuactiafner: and ubuntu developers recommend users like you dont figure out how to compile your own kernel btw <-- not true, as long as people read the debian howto on compiling kernels
[11:16] <ErmaC`> lsuactiafner i saw that internet page and i did wath is told on it, but nothing happens still 800*600
[11:16] <lsuactiafner> ErmaC` : press control alt + or -
[11:16] <lsuactiafner> the plus and minus sign @ the far end of your keyboard
[11:17] <ErmaC`> lsuactiafner, i did this, it changed nothing ...
[11:17] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner: thoreauputic is partially correct. If you need to compile your own kernel for things to work, that is a bug, and should be reported
[11:17] <ErmaC`> still 800*600
[11:17] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: yes, but I've never seen anyone be discouraged from compiling a kernel to learn how
[11:18] <lsuactiafner> when i came here tellin developers that the amd kernel for hoary release didnt boot my system up i was told to stfu
[11:18] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner: did you file a bug about it?
[11:18] <thoreauputic> lsuactiafner: erm... that sounds... apocryphal shall we say
[11:18] <lsuactiafner> but i started makin kernels when 2.4.0 was released and i keep upto date so makin a kenrel aint a problem
[11:18] <flodine> can someone tell me where do i put my systen wide colors
[11:18] <mumbles> how do i get the 2.6.12 intell sound sorces ?
[11:18] <lsuactiafner> Burgundavia : yeh i did and nothing came of it
[11:18] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: if you want to compile a kernel, that is fine. Ubuntu developers do not encourage it
[11:19] <Vantage__> anyone here familiar with using bootcd to create bootable cd iso's?  I'm having a problem with the ram filesystems being listed as read only
[11:19] <Burgundavia> think of it this way: would your mother want to compile a kernel
[11:19] <Burgundavia> ?
[11:19] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: right - but they don't discourage people from learning how to either, correct?
[11:19] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic: no
[11:19] <lsuactiafner> yeh they do discourage ppl from learning
[11:19] <something_else> hmm, is it wise to use videolans debian apt rep?
[11:19] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner: that is incorrect
[11:19] <cmatheson> yeah there's definitely nothing wrong w/ compiling your own kernel
[11:20] <lsuactiafner> everytime i tell ppl look your sounds doesnt work since the kernel aint correct i get shot down
[11:20] <Burgundavia> most people compile kernels because they think they need to
[11:20] <Burgundavia> which is incorrect
[11:20] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner: sound is not a kernel issue
[11:20] <lsuactiafner> sound support is..
[11:20] <lsuactiafner> hard disk support is..
[11:20] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner: that is an alsa/esd issue, and has been resolved for breezy
[11:20] <ateves> i set up ubuntu again today, and apt does not provide the xchat tray icon anymore. where can i get it?
[11:20] <thoreauputic> lsuactiafner: if you watch crimsun at work on sound issues you'll see he can usually do wonders with kernel headers, and no recompile at all
[11:21] <lsuactiafner> my nvidia4 chipset didnt go off well with ubuntu kernels i tried.
[11:21] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner: if a sound card doesn't work, don't tell peope to compile their own kernel, but to report a bug
[11:21] <cmatheson> Burgundavia: so they're supposed to go w/out sound til breezy comes out?
[11:21] <lsuactiafner> i screwed up 3 times when i made my 1st kernel. saved me many more headaches tho in the long-term
[11:22] <lsuactiafner> the ubuntu kernels i tried didnt boot my sytem.
[11:22] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner: remember that some people that come into this channel have no interest in compiling their own kernel and it oftern confirms their worst fear about linux
[11:22] <lsuactiafner> tho @ the beginin of the year i did have a high end non-default systme
[11:22] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner: you keep telling me that, but where is the bug report, with your hardware
[11:22] <scoperesolutoin> I am stupid today and I cant remember how to get something to run right when you log in
[11:22] <something_else> for some odd reason, I felt safer compiling a kernel in slackware than with ubuntu
[11:22] <spasmod1>  lsuactiafner - do you compile ubuntu kernels, or other?
[11:23] <Burgundavia> scoperesolutoin: add it to your session
[11:23] <scoperesolutoin> burgundavia: yeah I dont remember how
[11:23] <action09> hi, i tried differents 'flavors' of Ubuntu with sources lists : Marillat, backports are unstable for me, can i safely add universe and/or multiverse for the stability of my Buntu please ?
[11:23] <lsuactiafner> i compile my own kernels for all my boxes, slackware, ubuntu.
[11:23] <Burgundavia> action09: universe/mulitverse are fine
[11:23] <action09> Marillat sources are for Debian i know..
[11:23] <Burgundavia> action09: backports is iffy
[11:23] <thoreauputic> action09: universe and multiverse are fine
[11:23] <Burgundavia> the backports project has hoary-extras, which is marilliat compiled for ubuntu
[11:24] <something_else> so, has any used VLC's apt dir for debian with ubuntu?
[11:24] <Burgundavia> scoperesolutoin: system-->prefs-->session, 3rd tab
[11:24] <sam_> whats the package for firefox's flash plugin?
[11:24] <mumbles> cmatheson, care to help with my sound problem ? befroe i go an dby a soundcard ?
[11:25] <Burgundavia> flash-nonfree
[11:25] <scoperesolutoin> burgudavia: thanks I think i got it
[11:25] <cmatheson> mumbles: what kind of sound card do you have?
[11:25] <mumbles> onbord sound
[11:25] <mumbles> on a intel D915PGN
[11:25] <cmatheson> mumbles: have you found out what module you should be loading?
[11:25] <flodine> anyone know where the DIR_COLOR is in ubuntu
[11:25] <khermans> Anyone know how to make video Screen Captures?
[11:26] <mumbles> whatever it is for the intel ALC860  chipset
[11:26] <Burgundavia> khermans: xvidcap, in the universe repo
[11:26] <action09> Bugsbang, don't you think of security problems for universe/multiverse updates (" software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[11:26] <action09> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[11:26] <action09> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[11:26] <action09> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[11:26] <action09> ## team."
[11:26] <blmartin777> Does anyone know where the gdm login files are stored I want to edit a picrure?
[11:26] <action09> oups
[11:26] <action09> sorry for the flood
[11:26] <flodine> ubuntu dont have dir_colors
[11:26] <mumbles> got this is response to http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=99115#post99115
[11:27] <mumbles> when i serch in forums
[11:27] <action09> Burgundavia, ? if there's a sploit floating on the net for mpg321 e.g. i 'll have to patche it myself.. :)
[11:27] <dmk> /usr/share/gdm
[11:27] <Burgundavia> action09: yes, or convince the motus to port the fix from debian
[11:27] <blmartin777> dmk: thanks
[11:27] <dmk> also setting in /etc/gdm
[11:27] <hazmat> i'm getting md5 checksum errors on a number of packages, is there a way around this, or to force the install?
[11:27] <action09> Damn
[11:27] <cmatheson> mumbles: what happens when you type 'modprobe snd-azx'?
[11:27] <Burgundavia> hazmat: change from the us.archive to just archive
[11:28] <hazmat> Burgundavia, thanks!
[11:28] <mumbles> FATAL: Module snd_azx not found.
[11:28] <mumbles> FATAL: Error running install command for snd_azx
[11:28] <cmatheson> mumbles: ooh
[11:28] <action09> i think it's a thing Ubuntu is going to have.. not a fully Desktop workstation without firestarter/mp3/dvd..etc  multimedia... supported
[11:28] <action09> thanks Burgundavia  :)
[11:29] <mumbles> synept get snd_azx ?
[11:29] <cmatheson> mumbles: if you type 'locate snd-azx.o' what happens?
[11:29] <mumbles> /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/pci/azx/snd-azx.o
[11:29] <mumbles> /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/pci/azx/.snd-azx.o.cmd
[11:29] <cmatheson> mumbles: ok you haven't installed the module yet
[11:29] <scoperesolutoin> anyone know how to get a usb drive to auto mount?
[11:29] <Burgundavia> scoperesolutoin: it should just automount
[11:29] <scoperesolutoin> it dont
[11:29] <cmatheson> mumbles: when you did that debian/rules thing it should have made a .deb file somewhere (probably in /usr/src/modules
[11:29] <Burgundavia> if it doesn't, it is a bug
[11:29] <cmatheson> mumbles: or maybe in /usr/src, go check real quick
[11:30] <dmk> scoperesolutoin, have you recompiled your kernel?
[11:30] <scoperesolutoin> it did up to the point i removed it from the system and booted one without it
[11:30] <scoperesolutoin> dmk yep
[11:30] <Burgundavia> scoperesolutoin: try the default kernel
[11:30] <mumbles> cmatheson,  ?
[11:30] <dmk> have you removed scsi modules? maybe hotplug support?
[11:30] <cmatheson> mumbles: type 'cd /usr/src' and then type 'ls' and tell me what it says
[11:30] <scoperesolutoin> burgudavia: i cant for some other apps or I would go back to it
[11:31] <mumbles> cmatheson,  its there
[11:31] <mumbles> alsa-sriver
[11:31] <cmatheson> mumbles: it's alsa-driver.deb?
[11:31] <mumbles> no a folder
[11:31] <ErmaC`> weird weird weird
[11:31] <ErmaC`> should it help when i install the 27 updates who are available? :p
[11:31] <mumbles> with files in there
[11:31] <cmatheson> mumbles: type 'find /usr/src -name *.deb'
[11:32] <mumbles> ill i get is >
[11:32] <ErmaC`> spreekt er iemand nederlands? does anyone speak dutch?
[11:32] <ateves> hi, i often find needful packages at packages.debian.org. can i add this server to my apt sources list?
[11:32] <cmatheson> mumbles: don't type the quotes, just type: find /usr/src -name *.deb
[11:33] <ErmaC`> haha
[11:33] <ErmaC`> loooooool
[11:33] <mumbles> usr/src/alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-686_1.0.8-4ubuntu4+10.00.Custom_i386.deb
[11:33] <cmatheson> mumbles: ok type 'sudo dpkg -i /usr/src/alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-686_1.0.8-4ubuntu4+10.00.Custom_i386.deb'
[11:34] <mumbles> FATAL: Could not open '/boot/System.map-2.6.10-5-686': No such file or directory
[11:35] <scoperesolutoin> what are you trying to get with alsa?
[11:35] <remyforbes777> is it possible that this irc can be doing port scans
[11:35] <mumbles> yeh
[11:35] <cmatheson> mumbles: ls -l /boot/System.map*
[11:35] <mumbles> * - Freenode runs an open proxy scanner. Your use of the network
[11:35] <mumbles> * - indicates your acceptance of this policy.
[11:36] <mumbles> for remyforbes777
[11:36] <remyforbes777> got yuou
[11:36] <remyforbes777> thanks
[11:36] <mumbles> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 845016 2005-06-24 21:22 /boot/System.map-2.6.10-5-386
[11:36] <remyforbes777> i was getting worried
[11:36] <mumbles> type /motd to read the full listing
[11:36] <cmatheson> mumbles: ok, you need to redo that part where you did the debian/rules command and substitute '386' where you did '686' before
[11:37] <mumbles> debian rules command ?
[11:37] <cmatheson> mumbles: in the forum you talk about typing: "sudo fakeroot debian/rules binary_modules \
[11:37] <cmatheson> KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-686/ KVERS=2.6.10-5-686'
[11:38] <cmatheson> mumbles: you need to change the KVER=2.6.10-5-686 to KVER=2.6.10-5-386
[11:38] <khermans> Is xvidcap in anyone's repos?
[11:38] <n6mod> Any experts out there on sulogin and recovery mode?
[11:38] <david> ateves you still there?
[11:38] <mumbles> looks at fourm post couse hes confused?
[11:38] <khermans> not in mine...
[11:38] <chris24tn> hey, whenever i try to emerge things, occasionally synaptic will balk at a package or two, citing an "md5sum" error, I know what this means (to an extent), but how can I fix this?  apt-get install from the command line doesn't give me the same error
[11:38] <ateves> david: yes
[11:39] <david> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=site:www.debian.org+repositories
[11:39] <khermans> chris24tn, what is this gentoo?
[11:39] <david> maybe that can help
[11:39] <chris24tn> khermans, omg, sorry, force of habit
[11:39] <chris24tn> no, it's ubuntu :p
[11:39] <ateves> david: i will check it, thx
[11:39] <khermans> chris24tn, hehe, i know dude -- i'm a recovering gentoo user myself
[11:40] <khermans> so many years wasted compiling...i feel your pain
[11:40] <cmatheson> !md5sums
[11:40] <ubotu> cmatheson: I don't know, could you explain it?
[11:40] <chris24tn> haha, it's hard, i know
[11:40] <cmatheson> !md5sum
[11:40] <ubotu> cmatheson: Are you smoking crack?
[11:40] <cmatheson> ubotu: you're killin' me man!
[11:40] <ubotu> cmatheson: Are you smoking crack?
[11:40] <cmatheson> !archive
[11:40] <ubotu> cmatheson: Are you smoking crack?
[11:40] <cmatheson> i give up
[11:41] <mumbles> /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 150: debian/rules: No such file or directory
[11:41] <chris24tn> well, now apt-get won't work from the cl, either
[11:41] <mumbles> goes to redo that whole thing from scrach
[11:42] <thoreauputic> cmatheson: maybe you should !crack  *grin*
[11:42] <chris24tn> "Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/u/unrar/unrar_0.0.1-1_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch"
[11:42] <NeoGeo64> I'm getting the same thing.
[11:42] <cmatheson> heh
[11:42] <virgule> apt-get update?
[11:42] <NeoGeo64> I keep getting MD5Sum Mismatches.
[11:42] <Druke> aye!
[11:42] <NeoGeo64> thats why i came here to ask lol
[11:42] <chris24tn> tried it
[11:42] <thoreauputic> chris24tn: change us.archive to just archive
[11:42] <cmatheson> NeoGeo64: take the 'us' in the 'us.archive.ubuntu.com' out of sources.list
[11:42] <NeoGeo64> ok
[11:42] <chris24tn> thoreauputic, why will that work?
[11:42] <Druke> cmatheson, where is the sources list?
[11:43] <khermans> I am getting MD%sum errors too!
[11:43] <NeoGeo64> /etc/apt-get/sources.lisr
[11:43] <NeoGeo64> /etc/apt-get/sources.list*
[11:43] <thoreauputic> chris24tn: us.archive has problems lately
[11:43] <chris24tn> ahhh
[11:43] <NeoGeo64> um
[11:44] <thoreauputic> NeoGeo64: /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> my entire sources.list file is all us archives...
[11:44] <cmatheson> Druke: /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:44] <andares> Ahhh...
[11:44] <andares> Hi.
[11:44] <cmatheson> NeoGeo64: it's a quick fix
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch major bug fix updates produced
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> ## after the final release of the distribution.
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[11:44] <thoreauputic> NeoGeo64: search and replace
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[11:44] <khermans> for MD5SUM errors, someone told me here to delete some cached directories -- and taht worked last time
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> ## repository.
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[11:44] <cmatheson> NeoGeo64: don't freakin dump that in here
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[11:44] <andares> I'm wondering how to install NVidia drivers on Ubuntu
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> ## team.
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[11:44] <tritium> NeoGeo64, dude...
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[11:44] <thoreauputic> NeoGeo64: don't paste here: please read the /topic
[11:44] <NeoGeo64> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[11:44] <khermans> it on auto,..
[11:45] <NeoGeo64> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[11:45] <NeoGeo64> ## Backports
[11:45] <andares> It wants the kernel source, and I %Ucan't find the kernel source with APT-GET%B.
[11:45] <NeoGeo64> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[11:45] <andares> ;x
[11:45] <NeoGeo64> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[11:45] <NeoGeo64> oops
[11:45] <khermans> !!!
[11:45] <ubotu> methinks ! is what u add before a sentence to talk to me
[11:45] <NeoGeo64> heh
[11:45] <NeoGeo64> sorry
[11:45] <Panzerboy> NeoGeo64: why are you flooding?
[11:45] <andares> How do I finish it?
[11:45] <Panzerboy> !flood
[11:45] <ubotu> flood is probably for pasting, please use http://pastebin.com , http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl or #flood here on freenode.
[11:45] <Tomcat_> andares: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[11:45] <andares> ubotu, Wow. Another methinks user. I got banned from a channel for doing that.
[11:45] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, andares
[11:45] <virgule> andares: start with kernel-headers
[11:45] <andares> virgule, k.
[11:45] <andares> It has a "nifty" install script.
[11:46] <NeoGeo64> I think it would be better to comment the lines rather than delete them...
[11:46] <andares> So I don't know if I can use that binarydriverhowto thing.
[11:46] <khermans> Anyone resolve the MD5SUM error?  or can I override?
[11:46] <tritium> NeoGeo64, please use pastebin next time ;)
[11:46] <The_Vox> anybody seen any firefox 1.0.5 debs yet anywhere?
[11:46] <cmatheson> khermans: just go change your sources.list
[11:46] <thoreauputic> NeoGeo64: you don't need to delete anything - just do a search and replace in an editor
[11:46] <khermans> cmatheson, to what?
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> what do i replace it with
[11:47] <cmatheson> khermans: take all the 'us' that you see out of it
[11:47] <khermans> ahh..
[11:47] <kbrooks> heh
[11:47] <thoreauputic> replace us.archive with archive?
[11:47] <kbrooks> yes
[11:47] <eternale1> ok question, i got openssh running i can ssh using localhost, and 192.....etc lan address but it won't let me do it from my wan ip in that case from any other compter but this one
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> oh
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> dammit
[11:47] <mumbles> cmatheson,  almost finsihed with the correct one
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> i spent 5 minutes commenting lines
[11:47] <NeoGeo64> lol
[11:48] <Panzerboy> is it possible to resize a lvm volume?
[11:48] <Panzerboy> i have 2 partitions on lvm
[11:48] <synstar> i cant create a directory as root from the terminal - 'mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/www/': File exists
[11:48] <synstar> ' but it dosnt exist, any ideas?
[11:48] <Panzerboy> root and home
[11:48] <Panzerboy> and i would like to make home a bit smaller
[11:48] <andares> k, it's working...
[11:48] <Panzerboy> so
[11:48] <Panzerboy> is it possible? :)
[11:48] <tritium> eternale1, you can ssh _to_  localhost, or just _from_ localhost?
[11:48] <andares> It's taking it's time, but that's okay... heh.
[11:48] <cmatheson> mumbles: cool
[11:49] <andares> Cya, testing.
[11:49] <thoreauputic> synstar: if you have apache installed, /var/www should certainly exist...
[11:49] <mumbles> think ive done it
[11:49] <zukalk> synstar, it has to exist. maybe it's chmod -r and you can't see it? i dunno
[11:49] <eternale1> i can ssh into localhost ssh user@localhost from the machine its running on
[11:49] <mumbles> how do i find out?
[11:49] <NeoGeo64> alright
[11:49] <NeoGeo64> thats fixed
[11:50] <Timeje> have the online portions of the 5.04 CD install been changed? I ve tried 3 different CDs to install Ubuntu and keep getting an error about unable to retrieve some needed files but I ve had Ubuntu on this system plenty of times before... any ideas?
[11:50] <chris24tn> ahhh....very nice, it fixed my problem. thanks, thoreauputic!
[11:50] <thoreauputic> chris24tn: no problem :)
[11:50] <synstar> im trying to create a folder in that folder /var/www - but it displays that it exists
[11:50] <sizzam> how can you tell if you should be using one of the 'smp' kernels?
[11:50] <Timeje> sizzam: /proc/cpuinfo
[11:50] <mumbles> ah ... relsied where i went wrong
[11:50] <cmatheson> sizzam: if you have multiple processors
[11:50] <sizzam> thank you
[11:50] <khermans> Where is xvidcap?
[11:51] <eternale1> but doing ssh user@67.XXX.XXX.XXX just hangs up when doing -v on the trying to connect debug1: connecting to .... port 22
[11:51] <tritium> khermans, it's in the main repo
[11:51] <eternale1> i've tried ListenAddress as 0.0.0.0, 192.x.x.x., 67.x.x.x
[11:51] <Venson> eternale1: running a firewall?
[11:51] <mumbles> cmatheson,  i have an isshue with # make-kpkg --rootcmd=fakeroot --append-to-version=-5-686 modules-image
[11:51] <eternale1> just the one on the router
[11:51] <eternale1> but the ports are open
[11:52] <tritium> eternale1, you've forwarded port 22 to the linux box?
[11:52] <eternale1> ya
[11:53] <mumbles> The changelog says we are creating 2.6.10, but I thought the version is 2.6.10-5-386
[11:53] <mumbles> make: *** [modules-image]  Error 1
[11:54] <NeoGeo64> why cant i run two instances of synaptic
[11:54] <scoperesolutoin> because you cant
[11:54] <tritium> mumbles, it's kernel 2.6.10.  The -5 is an ubuntu number
[11:54] <NeoGeo64> i just reinstalled and im trying to get everything back the way it was.
[11:54] <cmatheson> mumbles: you don't want --append-to-version=-5-686 you want -5-386
[11:54] <othernoob> because the first synaptic would get jealous of the second.
[11:54] <tritium> NeoGeo64, reinstalled?  Why?
[11:54] <othernoob> we can't have jealousy in linux
[11:54] <NeoGeo64> Because...
[11:54] <NeoGeo64> I wiped Windows XP
[11:54] <Seveas> NeoGeo64, because synaptic locks the APT admin dir and you can't lock that twic
[11:54] <Seveas> e
[11:55] <NeoGeo64> and gave my entire hdd to linux\
[11:55] <othernoob> meh, i liked my explanation better :/
[11:55] <tritium> cmatheson, he should append a unique version, not the same one as provided by ubuntu
[11:55] <XRayNuke> i'm building a java package according to the instructions in !java, procedure #1. once i've got the Sun Java stuff, where do I put it?
[11:55] <tritium> NeoGeo64, cool reason :)
[11:55] <Tomcat_> !java
[11:55] <ubotu> java is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[11:56] <Seveas> XRayNuke, anywhere you want :)
[11:56] <othernoob> tritium: yea but he didn't have to do it that way
[11:56] <Seveas> XRayNuke, you can remove the .bin file afterwards
[11:56] <cmatheson> tritium: for the modules?
[11:56] <Tomcat_> XRayNuke: It won't be changed or unpacked anyway, so as Seveas said.
[11:56] <tritium> cmatheson, oh, is he building modules to match an ubuntu kernel?
[11:57] <cmatheson> tritium: yeah
[11:57] <tritium> cmatheson, my bad then
[11:57] <cmatheson> tritium: i wasn't sure (i've never really done this before)
[11:57] <scoperesolution> I wish I could get trillian working though wine
[11:57] <tritium> cmatheson, my error.  I'm sorry.
[11:57] <action09> scoperesolution is it 'mandatory' ? cos gaim/jabber/xchat work great and are better :)
[11:58] <othernoob> what's so great about trillian..boggles the mind..
[11:58] <scoperesolution> action09: because I own a subscript to trillian
[11:58] <action09> nobody's perfect :)
[11:58] <othernoob> lol
[11:58] <cmatheson> scoperesolution: gaim
[11:58] <virgule> I know nobody
[11:58] <eternale1> haha
[11:58] <confrey> help me please, I can't browse network from a winXP machine, but I can mount a shared directory on my laptop from that machine, I don't know waht's missing
[11:59] <scoperesolution> I like trillian when I'm in windows
[11:59] <mumbles> cmatheson,  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/559
[11:59] <scoperesolution> gaim is ok but it kinda sucks
[11:59] <action09> Viddy how's he ? :)
[11:59] <mumbles> thats the whole error iget when i do the make-kpkg
[11:59] <scoperesolution> trillan has secureIM
[11:59] <mumbles> scoperesolution,  i own a licens as well
[11:59] <cmatheson> thoreauputic: so does gaim
[11:59] <cmatheson> scoperesolution: get the right plugin
[11:59] <LasseL> if I am setting up a raid1 on two discs, how many should be active 1 or 2 ?
[11:59] <thoreauputic> cmatheson: ?
[11:59] <scoperesolution> cmatheson: its not the same
[11:59] <tritium> gaim-encryption, but I don't know if it's compatible with secureIM
[11:59] <scoperesolution> I need secureIM
[12:00] <thoreauputic> cmatheson: OH - not for me i guess... ;)