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| KaiL | ivman is quite interesting. Is there a config-frontend for it? | 01:02 |
| Riddell | KaiL: nope, just some XML files | 01:04 |
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| pef | hi | 10:40 |
| OculusAquilae | hi pef | 10:43 |
| JRe | hi pef | 10:45 |
| pef | :] | 10:45 |
| pef | what about the status of hibernate in kubuntu ? | 10:55 |
| JRe | pef: never tested it | 10:56 |
| pef | it works great on ubuntu | 10:56 |
| pef | but on Kubuntu ? I haven't the option on shutdown menu | 10:56 |
| JRe | pef: it's because of KDE not because of Kubuntu, no ? | 10:57 |
| pef | I don't know :] | 10:58 |
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| tvo | Riddell: is there a good package building tutorial somewhere? | 11:16 |
| JRe | Mez: hi! poke me when the katapult berlios account will be opened | 11:16 |
| JRe | tvo: KubuntuPackagingGuide ;) ;) ;) | 11:16 |
| tvo | k thanks, just needed the right search term :) | 11:17 |
| Riddell | tvo: take a look at KubuntuPackagingGuide and improve it as you see fit | 11:19 |
| Riddell | do MOTU have a packaging guide yet? I'm not usre | 11:19 |
| Riddell | sure | 11:19 |
| Riddell | read Debian New Maintainers | 11:19 |
| tvo | yep I'm going through it now | 11:19 |
| JRe | tvo: hope you'll like it ;) | 11:20 |
| tvo | heh | 11:20 |
| Riddell | learn about packages made with debhelper (as described in Debian New Maintainers) then once you've got the hang of that learn about cdbs (which hides debhelpers in a bunch of include files) | 11:20 |
| Mez | JRe, I've got permission off of the author to carry on katapult | 11:30 |
| Riddell | Mez: woo! | 11:31 |
| JRe | Mez: cooooooooooooooool | 11:31 |
| JRe | Mez: can you send me the mail | 11:31 |
| JRe | Mez: ? | 11:31 |
| Mez | email address? | 11:31 |
| Riddell | Mez: did you get access to his sourceforge? | 11:31 |
| Mez | er I dunno | 11:31 |
| Mez | but he siad he'd send em the code and stuff | 11:31 |
| JRe | Mez: ;) | 11:31 |
| Riddell | well we have the code surly | 11:31 |
| Mez | the unreleased stuff | 11:32 |
| Mez | and the icon | 11:32 |
| Riddell | how exciting | 11:32 |
| JRe | Mez: we will do great things with that code! | 11:32 |
| Mez | hehe :D | 11:33 |
| Mez | I'm thinking we get tvo on board and integrate it with kio_locate | 11:33 |
| JRe | Mez: sure! | 11:33 |
| JRe | Mez: we have plenty of bugs to fix | 11:33 |
| JRe | Mez: and some features to add | 11:34 |
| Riddell | Mez: how would you integrate it with kio_locate? | 11:34 |
| JRe | Riddell: plugin | 11:34 |
| JRe | kio locate does not have dcop interface ? | 11:35 |
| Riddell | JRe: no I mean what would it do? kio-locate can return a lot of results but katapult only shows one at a time | 11:35 |
| Mez | Riddell, I'm sure we'll work something out :D | 11:36 |
| Mez | JRe, Riddell, email forwarded | 11:37 |
| tvo | Mez, Riddell, probably for opening documents in ~ me thinks | 11:38 |
| tvo | with the right program of course | 11:38 |
| tvo | actually I doubt that will be possible through kio-locate, I think it's too slow for realtime searching like this | 11:40 |
| Mez | *Shrugs* | 11:40 |
| tvo | still, I might be able to write a plugin to do this :) | 11:40 |
| JRe | tvo: damn! | 11:40 |
| tvo | but not using locate :) | 11:40 |
| JRe | tvo: the document plugin has to be improved a lot | 11:40 |
| Mez | tvo: katpult works on catalogs, we could always make something use kio_locate to generate a catalog for it :) | 11:40 |
| Mez | on a daemon :D | 11:40 |
| tvo | Mez: maybe yes, but I think we should try too hard to include kio-locate.. might as well be easier to design better algorithm | 11:41 |
| Mez | fair enough | 11:42 |
| tvo | argh try NOT too hard ;) | 11:42 |
| JRe | tvo: i agree | 11:42 |
| tvo | katapult already searches on the first character | 11:42 |
| tvo | if you let locate (or kio-locate) search on 1 character | 11:42 |
| tvo | it takes long and returns almost your entire filesystem | 11:43 |
| JRe | Riddell: is it right: in such an unusable state, but it really seems like KDE 4's desktop search<br>features will contain most of the functionality of Katapult. ??? | 11:43 |
| JRe | tvo: you can configure how many caracther are taken for each type of catalog | 11:44 |
| tvo | Riddell: btw, kio-locate already has a debian/ subdir using debhelper, any tips for picking this up? | 11:44 |
| JRe | tvo: tough, i agree that kio-locate is to slow it's better to improve the home catalog | 11:44 |
| tvo | JRe: yes I noticed that, but still, locate (and as such kio-locate) was designed to quickly locate something | 11:45 |
| tvo | when given an entire word | 11:45 |
| tvo | not only 1, 2, 3 characters | 11:45 |
| tvo | I'd write an entirely different algorithm for that | 11:45 |
| Mez | tvo: the way I see it, is if It gets a query that isnt in it's catalog, or any paths, it passes the search string to kio_locate | 11:46 |
| Mez | so, say i type cheese and hit enter | 11:46 |
| Mez | it doesnt find cheese in it's catalog, or in a path, so it opens up konq with locate:/cheese | 11:47 |
| tvo | Mez, didn't think of that. That could be possible yes. | 11:47 |
| tvo | that's no work, you could probably patch the source for that in minutes ;-) | 11:48 |
| Mez | yeah I knowe | 11:48 |
| tvo | if you know the source that is | 11:48 |
| Mez | and it at least fixes the crash | 11:48 |
| Mez | the source is quite clean actually tvo | 11:48 |
| tvo | that's nice | 11:49 |
| JRe | Mez: it's a good idea | 11:52 |
| JRe | Mez: but it might be configurable | 11:52 |
| JRe | Mez: i am so impatient to start coding ;) | 11:54 |
| Mez | JRe: instead of using the program catalog, how about greabbiung stuff from menu or from the K menu (.desktop files) | 11:55 |
| Mez | JRe: your SF.net username? | 11:55 |
| Riddell | Mez: surly that's what it does? | 11:55 |
| JRe | Mez: jrfaller | 11:55 |
| JRe | Riddell: that was it does | 11:56 |
| JRe | s/was/what/ | 11:56 |
| Mez | Riddell: I'm not too sure - it doesnt seem to pick up some programs I have | 11:56 |
| JRe | Mez: a plugin idea i have it's too search in the media list ;) ;) ;) | 11:57 |
| Mez | Riddell: your SF.net username? | 11:57 |
| Mez | and tvo - your's if you want to participte? | 11:57 |
| tvo | Mez: tobi_v | 11:58 |
| Riddell | Mez: jriddell I think | 11:58 |
| Riddell | Mez: do you have a new sf project? | 11:59 |
| Mez | erm, there's one in the registration queue... but he';s willing to add us to his | 11:59 |
| JRe | Mez: cool! | 12:01 |
| Mez | JRe, it says that on the bottom of his email | 12:05 |
| JRe | Mez: ha yes right! | 12:06 |
| Mez | sorry bout the emails folks, just thought I'd add you to the CCs | 12:10 |
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| JRe | lol | 12:11 |
| Mez | Riddell, if we clean it up and stuff - reckon we'll be able to ship it as default wqith kubuntu? | 12:11 |
| Riddell | Mez: certainly | 12:11 |
| JRe | Mez: i hope ;) | 12:12 |
| JRe | Mez: and if it's very clean clean clean may be one day we'll ship it with KDE | 12:13 |
| JRe | Mez: :) | 12:13 |
| Mez | maybe :d | 12:13 |
| pef | Riddell: hello | 12:18 |
| Riddell | pef: morning | 12:19 |
| pef | Riddell: is a 755 file in /usr/share a debian policy violation ? | 12:20 |
| Riddell | pef: possibly | 12:21 |
| Riddell | pef: what's the situation? | 12:21 |
| pef | Riddell: I want a tcl/tk script to be in the PATH, so for the moment I've put it in 755 to /usr/share/foo, then symlinked to /usr/bin | 12:22 |
| Riddell | pef: why not just put it in /usr/bin? | 12:24 |
| pef | Riddell: he needs to be launched from his directory, otherwise he can't find its data | 12:24 |
| Riddell | but /usr/lib/packagename/foo would be the place for hidden executables | 12:25 |
| Riddell | pef: best thing to do would be to patch the program to make it work right | 12:25 |
| pef | Riddell: amsn chmod 755 the main script in /usr/share/amsn, then a sh wrapper in /usr/bin launch it, what do you think about it ? | 12:26 |
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| OculusAquilae | hi | 12:28 |
| Riddell | pef: that's neater then a symlink yes | 12:30 |
| pef | Riddell: but that's not the ideal solution I presume ? (755 file in /usr/share) | 12:30 |
| Riddell | pef: no, using /usr/lib/packagename/script would be better | 12:33 |
| Riddell | and quite possibly required | 12:34 |
| pef | Riddell: so, all its files in /usr/lib/foo, then a wrapper script in /usr/bin ? or simply a symlink from /usr/lib/foo/foo.tcl to /usr/bin/foo ? | 12:35 |
| JRe | hi OculusAquilae | 12:36 |
| OculusAquilae | What about our katapult-fork. I've a patch, which makes it possible to deactivate the systray-icon (but i doesn't have a patch making the config-menu available without the systray :-) | 12:36 |
| OculusAquilae | hi JRe | 12:37 |
| Riddell | OculusAquilae: mez is in contact with the author, hopefully we'll get a CVS archive up soon | 12:37 |
| JRe | OculusAquilae: we can turn katapult into a kded and put the configuration in a kcm ;) | 12:39 |
| OculusAquilae | perhaps we can make the programm show the config dialog, when the user types "config" or so. | 12:40 |
| OculusAquilae | but that isn't very intuitiv :-) | 12:41 |
| Mez | or use the already registered hot keys :D | 12:41 |
| JRe | OculusAquilae: no it's not intuitive | 12:41 |
| Mez | all we do is chnage the keys and add an accelerator | 12:41 |
| Mez | code* | 12:41 |
| JRe | whatever before starting development we have to make a meeting in #katapult | 12:42 |
| Mez | or in #kubuntu-devel | 12:42 |
| JRe | yes | 12:42 |
| Riddell | anyone want to update metabar? new version just out | 01:06 |
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| Riddell | hola fromoze | 01:35 |
| fromoze | hola? | 01:35 |
| fromoze | hello | 01:35 |
| Riddell | fromoze: what is #kubuntu-es like? | 01:35 |
| fromoze | Is like #kubuntu but in spanish. | 01:36 |
| fromoze | wincide starts the channel, not me :) | 01:36 |
| Riddell | fromoze: how many people? | 01:36 |
| fromoze | I'm just there to help | 01:36 |
| fromoze | just 4-5 :$ | 01:36 |
| Riddell | cool cool | 01:37 |
| fromoze | we're waiting for the comunity to grow up XD | 01:37 |
| Riddell | fromoze: has it been announced on ubuntu-es.org? | 01:38 |
| JRe | there is others #kubuntu-xx | 01:39 |
| JRe | ?? | 01:39 |
| Riddell | just spanish that i know of | 01:39 |
| JRe | cuando gnome no es sufficente ;) | 01:39 |
| fromoze | I've try #kubuntu-fr an #kubuntu-pt, the languages I know but no | 01:39 |
| fromoze | do you understand it? | 01:40 |
| JRe | do i have listed | 01:40 |
| JRe | fromoze: sure i have lived in Madrid 4 months | 01:40 |
| fromoze | Riddell: I don't know, but I'm going to ask xuzo or natxo (ubuntu-es maintainers) to introduce it | 01:41 |
| Riddell | fromoze: went me to put a wee note on kubuntu.org? | 01:41 |
| fromoze | JRe: studies? | 01:41 |
| fromoze | I dunno :/ | 01:41 |
| JRe | fromoze: yeah intership in a non govertmental organization | 01:41 |
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| fromoze | Riddell if you want to put a note, say that we are trying to make it work ... | 01:42 |
| fromoze | JRe: I'm living in Salamanca, but I'm from Vigo. May be you travel to here? | 01:44 |
| JRe | fromoze: yeah Salamanca is my second favourite city in spain after Grenada ;) | 01:45 |
| OculusAquilae | ah, we are on ubuntulinux.org :-) | 01:45 |
| OculusAquilae | edubuntu too | 01:45 |
| JRe | Riddell: BTW have you tested the brand new medianotifier ? | 01:46 |
| fromoze | JRe: All the foreingers visitos likes Salamanca XD | 01:47 |
| fromoze | excuse for my english :$ | 01:47 |
| JRe | fromoze: it's not strange, given that the architecture really kicks ass! | 01:47 |
| JRe | fromoze: it also seems to be a student city | 01:47 |
| JRe | fromoze: Madrid kicks ass too ;) | 01:48 |
| fromoze | JRe: I prefer Santiago de Compostela :) | 01:48 |
| JRe | fromoze: aaaa Galicia | 01:48 |
| fromoze | JRe: where are you from? | 01:48 |
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| JRe | fromoze: Montpellier, France | 01:48 |
| JRe | fromoze: los pimientos de padron | 01:49 |
| wincide | hola fromoze xD | 01:50 |
| fromoze | JRe: My brother in love is french, my sister lives in Paris. And I travel a lot in France, where I lived for a year in Lorient. | 01:50 |
| fromoze | but never gone to montpellier | 01:50 |
| wincide | hi all xD | 01:50 |
| fromoze | Riddell, wincide is whom has created the #kubuntu-es | 01:50 |
| Riddell | wincide: welcome along :) | 01:51 |
| Riddell | wincide, fromoze: got a sentence or two to put on kubuntu.org? my Spanish is not very good | 01:51 |
| wincide | very nice to meet you :D | 01:51 |
| wincide | Riddell: my english is not very good too XD | 01:52 |
| Riddell | wincide: I think it should be in Spanish. or maybe I can write it in English and you can translate it for me | 01:52 |
| Riddell | wincide: is the #kubuntu-es channel registered? | 01:54 |
| wincide | i dont know .. i didnt register even my nick | 01:54 |
| wincide | xDD | 01:54 |
| JRe | wincide: so it's not registered :) | 01:54 |
| wincide | sure.. | 01:55 |
| fromoze | I'm gonna ask xuzo to introduce #kubuntu-es on the contact list of ubuntu-es.org; but, better to register it before? | 01:55 |
| wincide | im going register my nick and look for #kubuntu-es registration | 01:55 |
| wincide | :) | 01:55 |
| Riddell | Channel: #kubuntu-es Contact: StR, last seen: 6 weeks 2 days (11h 30m 13s) ago | 01:57 |
| fromoze | How do I to register the channel? I start using IRC this month :/ | 01:57 |
| fromoze | before I was happy enough with jabber... | 01:57 |
| JRe | ./msg chanserv register #kubuntu-es password | 01:57 |
| Riddell | str has already registed it, do you know StR? | 01:57 |
| fromoze | no | 01:58 |
| wincide | . since i've created this that channel i've always connected | 01:58 |
| wincide | 6 weeks !! XD | 01:58 |
| fromoze | I do a whois and StR is unknown... | 01:59 |
| JRe | ./msg nickserv info StR | 01:59 |
| Riddell | http://kubuntu.org/kubuntu-es.php | 02:00 |
| fromoze | ./msg nickserv info StR | 02:00 |
| fromoze | sorry :$ | 02:00 |
| JRe | fromoze: erase the . | 02:00 |
| wincide | :D | 02:01 |
| Riddell | I'll contact freenode staff, see if we can get control of it | 02:02 |
| wincide | i have to go :\ just in this very interesting moment for me .. i have to go to a web engeneering course about RIA applications this soon | 02:03 |
| wincide | see you later | 02:03 |
| Riddell | wincide: later | 02:03 |
| JRe | wincide: enjoy ;) ! | 02:03 |
| fromoze | wincide: xiau! | 02:04 |
| fromoze | #kubuntu-es will be introduced in the ubuntu-es.org references :) | 02:04 |
| Riddell | fromoze: anything to add to that page on the website? | 02:04 |
| pef | does gpg-agent works for you ? | 02:05 |
| Riddell | pef: not in my very limited experience | 02:05 |
| fromoze | Riddel: Would you like the translation? | 02:06 |
| Riddell | fromoze: please | 02:06 |
| pef | gpg: can't connect to `/tmp/gpg-QMccAq/S.gpg-agent': Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type | 02:06 |
| pef | Riddell: you have error like this : | 02:06 |
| pef | ? | 02:06 |
| wincide | Riddell: tell me a sentence in english and i'll try to translate | 02:06 |
| wincide | :) | 02:06 |
| Riddell | wincide: http://kubuntu.org/kubuntu-es.php | 02:07 |
| fromoze | wincide: I'll doy it ;) | 02:07 |
| wincide | The growing Kubuntu community has started a Spanish Kubuntu chat channel. #kubuntu-es on freenode IRC will provide help and support to Spanish Kubuntu users. | 02:07 |
| wincide | la creciente ccomunidad Kubuntu ya tiene un canal de chat sobre Kubuntu en espaol . #kubuntu-es en freenode IRC le dara soporte y ayuda a los usuarios de kubuntu hispano-parlantes | 02:08 |
| wincide | :D | 02:08 |
| wincide | sorry . La creciente comunidad Kubuntu ya tiene un canal de chat sobre Kubuntu en espaol . #kubuntu-es en freenode IRC le dar soporte y ayuda a los usuarios de kubuntu hispano-parlantes | 02:09 |
| wincide | that's better | 02:09 |
| wincide | now i'm gonna leave :) | 02:10 |
| wincide | adios ;) | 02:10 |
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| pef | Riddell: if you're interested in gpg agent, try seahorse-agent, it solved my problem | 02:15 |
| Riddell | pef: apt-cache search doesn't bring it up | 02:16 |
| pef | Riddell: provided with seahorse ;) | 02:16 |
| Riddell | "A Gnome front end for GnuPG" booo | 02:17 |
| JRe | lol | 02:18 |
| Riddell | Kubuntu Espaol now on http://kubuntu.org/ | 02:20 |
| pef | but now I don't have to type again and again my looong passphrase when packaging :] | 02:21 |
| Riddell | Mez should get kgpg updated | 02:22 |
| Mez | why ? | 02:27 |
| uniq | hi guys. | 02:30 |
| Riddell | Mez: weren't you complaining about it? | 02:31 |
| fromoze | Riddell: sorry, I must answer the phone (VIP: my girlfriend xD); I see the translation is donne.. Then, it's all ok? | 02:31 |
| Mez | I was complaining but i cant update it myself... I wuldnt know hwhere to start ;:D | 02:32 |
| pef | Riddell: kubuntu allows hibernate ? | 02:33 |
| Riddell | pef: depends on your system I think | 02:33 |
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| pef | Riddell: I don't have it on my shutdown menu, what have I missed ? | 02:33 |
| JRe | pef: talking about the kde shutdown menu? | 02:34 |
| pef | JRe: yes | 02:34 |
| JRe | pef: patch it ;) | 02:34 |
| Riddell | mostly it's part of klaptopdaemon | 02:34 |
| JRe | Riddell: yes it is | 02:34 |
| pef | mm ok | 02:35 |
| Riddell | chowells was doing something to fix up klaptopdaemon, not sure the state of that though | 02:35 |
| JRe | Riddell: the problem is that KLaptop show up only if you have a laptop, n+o? | 02:36 |
| Riddell | not sure what makes it show up, I thought an acpi or apm interface would | 02:36 |
| JRe | Riddell: tough it will not be a bad idea to be allowed to hibernate from the logout menu, no? | 02:38 |
| Riddell | JRe: sounds like a good idea to me, not sure how you'd do it though | 02:38 |
| pef | JRe: like in ubuntu | 02:38 |
| Riddell | ask klaptopdaemon if it's possible I guess | 02:38 |
| JRe | Riddell: mmm that's a pain i am pretty sure that my computer can do hibernate but klaptop does not show | 02:40 |
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| JRe | pef: hibernate is only with acpi ? | 02:41 |
| pef | JRe: I don't know, since ubuntu is on a laptop | 02:42 |
| JRe | pef: on a laptop you can have hibernate with klaptop | 02:42 |
| JRe | Riddell: ubuntu kernel is compiled with softwaresuspend ? | 02:43 |
| pef | JRe: I don't have kde on it ;) | 02:43 |
| pef | JRe: yes, it's softwaresuspend2 | 02:43 |
| JRe | pef: okay! | 02:43 |
| tvo | when packaging, if I've made a list of build-depends, should I include version numbers? | 02:43 |
| JRe | tvo: sure | 02:44 |
| JRe | tvo: but it depends the program | 02:45 |
| Riddell | tvo: if it depends on a certain version yes | 02:45 |
| tvo | Riddell: point is that I don't know that | 02:45 |
| JRe | tvo: automake1.7 for instance doesn't need a version number | 02:45 |
| Riddell | tvo: well it won't hurt to add them | 02:45 |
| JRe | tvo: autotools-dev neither | 02:46 |
| tvo | hmm, ok I'll figure them out them. btw, I should strip off the Nubuntu part I assume: e.g. "libqt3-mt-dev (3:3.3.3)" | 02:46 |
| tvo | would be "libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3:3.3.3)" of course | 02:47 |
| tvo | :) | 02:47 |
| JRe | tvo: what do you package? | 02:47 |
| tvo | kio-locate | 02:47 |
| Riddell | tvo: you know there is already a kio-locate package? | 02:47 |
| tvo | yes i had already a debian/ subdir in the project tree | 02:48 |
| tvo | I'm doublechecking things, also to learn a bit about packaging | 02:48 |
| Riddell | tvo: apt-get source kio-locate in breezy to see what's already there | 02:49 |
| tvo | btw, are there also different packages needed for kubuntu and debian | 02:49 |
| tvo | ? | 02:49 |
| Riddell | tvo: I don't think the package is in debian | 02:50 |
| JRe | Riddell: no kio-locate in Debian | 02:51 |
| tvo | Riddell: not in their repo's then, but Armin supplies a .deb on his site | 02:51 |
| JRe | and it's not in WNPP | 02:52 |
| tvo | what's WNPP? | 02:52 |
| JRe | Work-Needing and | 02:52 |
| JRe | Prospective Packages | 02:52 |
| JRe | tvo: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ | 02:53 |
| JRe | Riddell: is it possible for Katapult to use the KDE BTS ? | 02:54 |
| Riddell | JRe: only if it was in KDE SVN I suspect | 02:56 |
| JRe | mmm ok | 02:57 |
| tvo | JRe: it's not in WNPP | 02:57 |
| JRe | tvo: who is maintaining the kio-locate package? | 02:57 |
| JRe | tvo: and is kio-locate going to be in kdebase ? | 02:57 |
| uniq | i did the package currently in breezy. | 02:58 |
| JRe | uniq: you know if kio-locate is going to be integrated in KDE ? | 02:59 |
| tvo | uniq: ah ok, so maybe you can help me a bit? :D | 02:59 |
| uniq | jre: don't know. | 03:00 |
| uniq | tvo: sure. | 03:00 |
| tvo | uniq: that's nice. current status is: i don't know much about packaging :( and have almost entirely new kio-locate source | 03:01 |
| tvo | i'm now adding breezy source repo and getting your package | 03:01 |
| uniq | I guess you could copy the debian dir from my package. | 03:02 |
| uniq | you still use scons? | 03:02 |
| JRe | tvo: you're the upstream of kio-locate ? | 03:03 |
| tvo | uniq: yes, updated to newest bksys version | 03:05 |
| tvo | JRe: guess so yes, maybe upstream author too | 03:07 |
| JRe | tvo: you're the author or not? | 03:08 |
| uniq | tvo: if you're upstream now, please remove the included scons-mini from the upstream source. :) | 03:10 |
| uniq | or make it more sensible somehow. distribute two source tarballs or something. | 03:11 |
| tvo | JRe: suppose so, it's a fork of the code of Armin now | 03:11 |
| tvo | uniq: that should be easy | 03:11 |
| JRe | armin has stopped development | 03:11 |
| JRe | ? | 03:11 |
| tvo | JRe, I don't know, in any case, he doesn't develop as active as I do atm. | 03:22 |
| tvo | unfortunately i can only reach him per e-mail, I could ask him who is official upstream etc. | 03:23 |
| tvo | dmn this packaging stuff is difficult :( even c++ is way easier ;p | 03:25 |
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| tvo | am i right in that the *.orig.tar.gz contains upstream author's source and *.diff.gz contains differences made by maintainer? | 03:53 |
| Riddell | tvo: yep | 03:55 |
| tvo | ok, now trying to if i can get a package build.. | 03:55 |
| tvo | w00000t | 04:04 |
| tvo | got apackage compiled :) | 04:04 |
| tvo | now to do it again with right versions/changelog etc | 04:05 |
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| \sh | Riddell: ping | 04:12 |
| \sh | Riddell: kdelibs4-dev: Depends: libarts1-dev (>= 1.4.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libopenexr-dev (>= 1.2.1) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3.3.3) but it is not going to be installed | 04:12 |
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| Riddell | \sh: hmm? | 04:20 |
| Riddell | \sh: amd64? | 04:20 |
| \sh | Riddell: i386 | 04:36 |
| \sh | Riddell: local pbuilder | 04:36 |
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| Riddell | \sh: I can installed kdelibs4-dev ok today (couldn't yesterday due to xbase-clients being broken) | 04:47 |
| uniq | i can't instlal it. | 04:47 |
| uniq | same error \sh pasted. | 04:48 |
| Riddell | uniq: try using uk mirror maybe | 04:48 |
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| uniq | i use archive.ubuntu.com | 04:49 |
| uniq | i can try to change. | 04:49 |
| Riddell | hmm | 04:49 |
| uniq | uk.archive and archive are the same. | 04:49 |
| Riddell | yes | 04:50 |
| \sh | actually, I'm using only archive.ubuntu.com | 04:51 |
| uniq | that's the same i use. and it's the same as uk.archive. | 04:51 |
| \sh | but it looks like, that we have issues with qt and stuff, eventually because of Xorg? | 04:51 |
| uniq | hmm.. | 04:52 |
| uniq | i can install kdelibs4-dev if i apt-get install libarts1-dev libqt3-mt-dev kdelibs4-dev | 04:53 |
| uniq | The following extra packages will be installed: | 04:53 |
| uniq | libglu1-xorg-dev libopenexr-dev | 04:53 |
| \sh | ok...libglu | 04:53 |
| \sh | yes | 04:53 |
| uniq | could be that. | 04:53 |
| \sh | riddell: I'm going home now...so I can have a look on qt...if u want..provide a debdiff later? | 04:54 |
| \sh | ok...home :) | 04:55 |
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| uniq | \sh_away: would be nice if you had a look at kio-apt in revu. http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=117 | 04:58 |
| Mez | lol | 05:29 |
| Mez | had kubuntupult rejected on SF | 05:29 |
| Mez | Inadequate registration description or license detail; or additional information required | 05:29 |
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| \sh | re | 06:03 |
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| Riddell | seth_k: any resolution to the libXrender.la issue? I've just come across it | 06:40 |
| seth_k | Riddell: I asked daniels, he said he would look at it later | 06:41 |
| seth_k | I got the impression he was pretty busy | 06:41 |
| seth_k | what build is hanging you up? | 06:47 |
| Riddell | seth_k: ggz-kde-games | 06:48 |
| seth_k | uses libtool? | 06:49 |
| Riddell | yes | 06:50 |
| seth_k | okay. Let me know if you find out anything, if you have time, Riddell. Thanks | 06:52 |
| \sh | oh...it's even more worse now ,-) | 06:56 |
| \sh | kdelibs4-dev: Depends: kdelibs4c2 (= 4:3.4.1-0ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdelibs-bin (= 4:3.4.1-0ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed | 06:56 |
| seth_k | oh joy | 06:56 |
| seth_k | btw \sh are you feeling better today | 06:57 |
| \sh | seth: yepp..no problem :) sometimes some bad things are happening to often.. | 06:58 |
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| seth_k | yep, i understand. glad to hear you are doing better though | 06:58 |
| \sh | concentrate on my work now :) it helps to forget :) | 06:59 |
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| Riddell | hmm, kdelibs doesn't compile without libXrender.la | 08:14 |
| seth_k | haha | 08:15 |
| seth_k | it just doesn't end | 08:15 |
| Mez | Riddell, didn't seth tell you that yesterday ? | 08:17 |
| Riddell | Mez: seth_k had problems with a different package, I just tried kdelibs now | 08:18 |
| Mez | oh, fair enough | 08:18 |
| seth_k | daniels is a very popular guy right now, everyone wants him for a different issue | 08:22 |
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| Riddell | "Martin Meredith has been successfully subscribed to kubuntu-bugs." poor chap | 08:36 |
| Mez | lol - I was getting it through gmane before :D | 08:43 |
| Mez | but I'm moving to getting them all through email | 08:43 |
| seth_k | any progress on libxrender, Riddell? | 08:50 |
| tvo | ls | 08:51 |
| tvo | oops:) | 08:51 |
| seth_k | directory is empty | 08:51 |
| Riddell | seth_k: compliling qt to see if that breaks too | 08:51 |
| seth_k | :D | 08:52 |
| seth_k | ok Riddell | 08:52 |
| Riddell | I expect it isn't since qt shouldn't use libtool | 08:52 |
| tvo | seth_k :D | 08:52 |
| tvo | Riddell, are packages like libc automagically added to dependencies? | 08:53 |
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| tvo | I don't understand why http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/kde/kio-locate lists different deps than .dsc and debian/control | 08:55 |
| tvo | and it's the same version | 08:55 |
| Riddell | tvo: yes, build-essential is assumed to be installed | 08:55 |
| Riddell | tvo: because shlibs is expanded? | 08:55 |
| tvo | that explains the ones that got added, but not the ones that got removed | 08:56 |
| tvo | bzip2 and scons are missing on the packages.ubuntu.com page | 08:57 |
| Riddell | tvo: bzip2 and scons are build-depends | 08:58 |
| Riddell | they arn't needed for the actual package, only compiling it | 08:58 |
| Riddell | tvo: look at debian/control, the top section is the build stuff, then the next section is for the actual package | 08:59 |
| tvo | ah only depends are listed on that webpage, got a bit confused by the two different depends | 09:00 |
| Riddell | http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/source/kio-locate | 09:01 |
| Riddell | source page too | 09:01 |
| tvo | ah ok | 09:02 |
| tvo | uniq: could it be that libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3) is missing from build-depends? | 09:03 |
| tvo | or depends kdelibs-dev on it? | 09:03 |
| tvo | nevermind i figured it out myself | 09:04 |
| Riddell | kdelibs4-dev depends on qt-dev | 09:04 |
| tvo | yep | 09:05 |
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| Riddell | deb:foo should work | 09:06 |
| tvo | for version, i suppose 0.4.2tvo0.1 will do, as you suggested earlier? | 09:19 |
| Riddell | yeah | 09:20 |
| tvo | should I also specify a Conflicts: or Replaces: field with "kio-locate (= 0.4.2-0ubuntu1)" in it? | 09:21 |
| Riddell | tvo: no | 09:22 |
| Riddell | don't conflict with self | 09:22 |
| Riddell | only one version of the package is going to be installed at any time | 09:22 |
| tvo | ah ok, i keep learning :p | 09:23 |
| tvo | Riddell: am I right in saying that the *.diff.gz file will be empty (or rather, the .diff will be empty)? | 09:37 |
| tvo | because I'm author+maintainer | 09:37 |
| Riddell | tvo: yes, if your "release" is exactly the same as your package | 09:38 |
| tvo | i suppose it makes no sense for me to modify the release, but not the package | 09:39 |
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| tvo | Riddell: is it common/required to include the configure cache in the package too? | 10:39 |
| Riddell | tvo: don't think so | 10:39 |
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| tvo | ok thanks | 10:40 |
| tvo | Riddell: in which package is 'dch' (for debian/changelog)? i can't find it | 10:53 |
| Riddell | tvo: devscripts? | 10:54 |
| tvo | k thanks | 10:56 |
| pef_aw | tvo: first result of apt-cache search dch ;) | 10:57 |
| Riddell | tvo: make sure you edit the KubuntuPackageGuide as you find things lacking :) | 10:57 |
| tvo | pef_aw: ok, should have tried that one too | 10:58 |
| tvo | Riddell: yeah, first I'm trying to understand things :) | 10:58 |
| tvo | if I want to sent a plain debian package to armin too, I should make two packages, is that right? | 11:00 |
| tvo | one with version unstable and one with breezy in debian/changelog | 11:01 |
| Riddell | tvo: the version in the changelog doesn't actually matter much unless it's being uploaded | 11:01 |
| tvo | ah ok, in that case i'll just make the breezy one and send that to armin with a note about that | 11:02 |
| tvo | since it wasn't in debian iirc, but it is to be in breezy | 11:02 |
| pef_aw | minor changes (like renaming the source tarball to foo-x.y.tar.gz) must be mentionned in the debian.readme or changelog ? | 11:14 |
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| Riddell | pef: don't need to mention that | 11:15 |
| pef | ok, thanks | 11:15 |
| tvo | Riddell, are these serious warnings? --> http://rafb.net/paste/results/e0hBid40.html | 11:27 |
| tvo | the first one is BS, but i've no clue about the second one | 11:27 |
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| Riddell | tvo: first is a bug in lintian | 11:28 |
| Riddell | tvo: second one you normally call --disable-rpath on ./configure | 11:29 |
| Riddell | dunno what you do with scons | 11:29 |
| tvo | hmm, i doubt if scons has that, but i'll check | 11:29 |
| Riddell | I havn't worked out what an rpath is or why it's bad but apparantly it is | 11:29 |
| tvo | hehe. Well I'll assume it is for now, and see if I can fix it | 11:30 |
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