[12:41] <pef> good night !
[01:02] <KaiL> ivman is quite interesting. Is there a config-frontend for it?
[01:04] <Riddell> KaiL: nope, just some XML files
[10:40] <pef> hi
[10:43] <OculusAquilae> hi pef
[10:45] <JRe> hi pef 
[10:45] <pef> :] 
[10:55] <pef> what about the status of hibernate in kubuntu ?
[10:56] <JRe> pef: never tested it
[10:56] <pef> it works great on ubuntu
[10:56] <pef> but on Kubuntu ? I haven't the option on shutdown menu
[10:57] <JRe> pef: it's because of KDE not because of Kubuntu, no ?
[10:58] <pef> I don't know :] 
[11:16] <tvo> Riddell: is there a good package building tutorial somewhere?
[11:16] <JRe> Mez: hi! poke me when the katapult berlios account will be opened
[11:16] <JRe> tvo: KubuntuPackagingGuide ;) ;) ;)
[11:17] <tvo> k thanks, just needed the right search term :)
[11:19] <Riddell> tvo: take a look at KubuntuPackagingGuide and improve it as you see fit
[11:19] <Riddell> do MOTU have a packaging guide yet?  I'm not usre
[11:19] <Riddell> sure
[11:19] <Riddell> read Debian New Maintainers
[11:19] <tvo> yep I'm going through it now
[11:20] <JRe> tvo: hope you'll like it ;)
[11:20] <tvo> heh
[11:20] <Riddell> learn about packages made with debhelper (as described in Debian New Maintainers) then once you've got the hang of that learn about cdbs (which hides debhelpers in a bunch of include files)
[11:30] <Mez> JRe, I've got permission off of the author to carry on katapult
[11:31] <Riddell> Mez: woo!
[11:31] <JRe> Mez: cooooooooooooooool
[11:31] <JRe> Mez: can you send me the mail
[11:31] <JRe> Mez: ?
[11:31] <Mez> email address?
[11:31] <Riddell> Mez: did you get access to his sourceforge?
[11:31] <Mez> er I dunno
[11:31] <Mez> but he siad he'd send em the code and stuff
[11:31] <JRe> Mez: ;)
[11:31] <Riddell> well we have the code surly
[11:32] <Mez> the unreleased stuff
[11:32] <Mez> and the icon
[11:32] <Riddell> how exciting
[11:32] <JRe> Mez: we will do great things with that code!
[11:33] <Mez> hehe :D
[11:33] <Mez> I'm thinking we get tvo on board and integrate it with kio_locate
[11:33] <JRe> Mez: sure!
[11:33] <JRe> Mez: we have plenty of bugs to fix
[11:34] <JRe> Mez: and some features to add
[11:34] <Riddell> Mez: how would you integrate it with kio_locate?
[11:34] <JRe> Riddell: plugin
[11:35] <JRe> kio locate does not have dcop interface ?
[11:35] <Riddell> JRe: no I mean what would it do?  kio-locate can return a lot of results but katapult only shows one at a time
[11:36] <Mez> Riddell, I'm sure we'll work something out :D
[11:37] <Mez> JRe, Riddell, email forwarded
[11:38] <tvo> Mez, Riddell, probably for opening documents in ~ me thinks
[11:38] <tvo> with the right program of course
[11:40] <tvo> actually I doubt that will be possible through kio-locate, I think it's too slow for realtime searching like this
[11:40] <Mez> *Shrugs*
[11:40] <tvo> still, I might be able to write a plugin to do this :)
[11:40] <JRe> tvo: damn!
[11:40] <tvo> but not using locate :)
[11:40] <JRe> tvo: the document plugin has to be improved a lot
[11:40] <Mez> tvo: katpult works on catalogs, we could always make something use kio_locate to generate a catalog for it :)
[11:40] <Mez> on a daemon :D
[11:41] <tvo> Mez: maybe yes, but I think we should try too hard to include kio-locate.. might as well be easier to design better algorithm
[11:42] <Mez> fair enough
[11:42] <tvo> argh try NOT too hard ;)
[11:42] <JRe> tvo: i agree
[11:42] <tvo> katapult already searches on the first character
[11:42] <tvo> if you let locate (or kio-locate) search on 1 character
[11:43] <tvo> it takes long and returns almost your entire filesystem
[11:43] <JRe> Riddell: is it right: in such an unusable state, but it really seems like KDE 4's desktop search<br>features will contain most of the functionality of Katapult. ???
[11:44] <JRe> tvo: you can configure how many caracther are taken for each type of catalog
[11:44] <tvo> Riddell: btw, kio-locate already has a debian/ subdir using debhelper, any tips for picking this up?
[11:44] <JRe> tvo: tough, i agree that kio-locate is to slow it's better to improve the home catalog
[11:45] <tvo> JRe: yes I noticed that, but still, locate (and as such kio-locate) was designed to quickly locate something
[11:45] <tvo> when given an entire word
[11:45] <tvo> not only 1, 2, 3 characters
[11:45] <tvo> I'd write an entirely different algorithm for that
[11:46] <Mez> tvo: the way I see it, is if It gets a query that isnt in it's catalog, or any paths, it passes the search string to kio_locate
[11:46] <Mez> so, say i type cheese and hit enter
[11:47] <Mez> it doesnt find cheese in it's catalog, or in a path, so it opens up konq with locate:/cheese
[11:47] <tvo> Mez, didn't think of that. That could be possible yes.
[11:48] <tvo> that's no work, you could probably patch the source for that in minutes ;-)
[11:48] <Mez> yeah I knowe
[11:48] <tvo> if you know the source that is
[11:48] <Mez> and it at least fixes the crash
[11:48] <Mez> the source is quite clean actually tvo
[11:49] <tvo> that's nice
[11:52] <JRe> Mez: it's a good idea
[11:52] <JRe> Mez: but it might be configurable
[11:54] <JRe> Mez: i am so impatient to start coding ;)
[11:55] <Mez> JRe: instead of using the program catalog, how about greabbiung stuff from menu or from the K menu (.desktop files)
[11:55] <Mez> JRe: your SF.net username?
[11:55] <Riddell> Mez: surly that's what it does?
[11:55] <JRe> Mez: jrfaller
[11:56] <JRe> Riddell: that was it does
[11:56] <JRe> s/was/what/
[11:56] <Mez> Riddell: I'm not too sure - it doesnt seem to pick up some programs I have
[11:57] <JRe> Mez: a plugin idea i have it's too search in the media list ;) ;) ;)
[11:57] <Mez> Riddell: your SF.net username?
[11:57] <Mez> and tvo - your's if you want to participte?
[11:58] <tvo> Mez: tobi_v
[11:58] <Riddell> Mez: jriddell I think
[11:59] <Riddell> Mez: do you have a new sf project?
[11:59] <Mez> erm, there's one in the registration queue... but he';s willing to add us to his
[12:01] <JRe> Mez: cool!
[12:05] <Mez> JRe, it says that on the bottom of his email
[12:06] <JRe> Mez: ha yes right!
[12:10] <Mez> sorry bout the emails folks, just thought I'd add you to the CCs
[12:11] <JRe> lol
[12:11] <Mez> Riddell, if we clean it up and stuff - reckon we'll be able to ship it as default wqith kubuntu?
[12:11] <Riddell> Mez: certainly
[12:12] <JRe> Mez: i hope ;)
[12:13] <JRe> Mez: and if it's very clean clean clean may be one day we'll ship it with KDE
[12:13] <JRe> Mez: :)
[12:13] <Mez> maybe :d
[12:18] <pef> Riddell: hello
[12:19] <Riddell> pef: morning
[12:20] <pef> Riddell: is a 755 file in /usr/share a debian policy violation ?
[12:21] <Riddell> pef: possibly
[12:21] <Riddell> pef: what's the situation?
[12:22] <pef> Riddell: I want a tcl/tk script to be in the PATH, so for the moment I've put it in 755 to /usr/share/foo, then symlinked to /usr/bin
[12:24] <Riddell> pef: why not just put it in /usr/bin?
[12:24] <pef> Riddell: he needs to be launched from his directory, otherwise he can't find its data
[12:25] <Riddell> but /usr/lib/packagename/foo would be the place for hidden executables
[12:25] <Riddell> pef: best thing to do would be to patch the program to make it work right
[12:26] <pef> Riddell: amsn chmod 755 the main script in /usr/share/amsn, then a sh wrapper in /usr/bin launch it, what do you think about it ?
[12:28] <OculusAquilae> hi
[12:30] <Riddell> pef: that's neater then a symlink yes
[12:30] <pef> Riddell: but that's not the ideal solution I presume ? (755 file in /usr/share)
[12:33] <Riddell> pef: no, using /usr/lib/packagename/script would be better
[12:34] <Riddell> and quite possibly required
[12:35] <pef> Riddell: so, all its files in /usr/lib/foo, then a wrapper script in /usr/bin ? or simply a symlink from /usr/lib/foo/foo.tcl to /usr/bin/foo ?
[12:36] <JRe> hi OculusAquilae 
[12:36] <OculusAquilae> What about our katapult-fork. I've a patch, which makes it possible to deactivate the systray-icon (but i doesn't have a patch making the config-menu available without the systray :-)
[12:37] <OculusAquilae> hi JRe
[12:37] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: mez is in contact with the author, hopefully we'll get a CVS archive up soon
[12:39] <JRe> OculusAquilae: we can turn katapult into a kded and put the configuration in a kcm ;)
[12:40] <OculusAquilae> perhaps we can make the programm show the config dialog, when the user types "config" or so.
[12:41] <OculusAquilae> but that isn't very intuitiv :-)
[12:41] <Mez> or use the already registered hot keys :D
[12:41] <JRe> OculusAquilae: no it's not intuitive
[12:41] <Mez> all we do is chnage the keys and add an accelerator
[12:41] <Mez> code*
[12:42] <JRe> whatever before starting development we have to make a meeting in #katapult
[12:42] <Mez> or in #kubuntu-devel
[12:42] <JRe> yes
[01:06] <Riddell> anyone want to update metabar?  new version just out
[01:35] <Riddell> hola fromoze 
[01:35] <fromoze> hola? 
[01:35] <fromoze> hello
[01:35] <Riddell> fromoze: what is #kubuntu-es like?
[01:36] <fromoze> Is like #kubuntu  but in spanish.
[01:36] <fromoze> wincide starts the channel, not me :)
[01:36] <Riddell> fromoze: how many people?
[01:36] <fromoze> I'm just there to help
[01:36] <fromoze> just 4-5 :$
[01:37] <Riddell> cool cool
[01:37] <fromoze> we're waiting for the comunity to grow up XD
[01:38] <Riddell> fromoze: has it been announced on ubuntu-es.org?
[01:39] <JRe> there is others #kubuntu-xx
[01:39] <JRe> ??
[01:39] <Riddell> just spanish that i know of
[01:39] <JRe> cuando gnome no es sufficente ;)
[01:39] <fromoze> I've try #kubuntu-fr an #kubuntu-pt, the languages I know but no
[01:40] <fromoze> do you understand it?
[01:40] <JRe> do i have listed
[01:40] <JRe> fromoze: sure i have lived in Madrid 4 months
[01:41] <fromoze> Riddell: I don't know, but I'm going to ask xuzo or natxo (ubuntu-es maintainers) to introduce it
[01:41] <Riddell> fromoze: went me to put a wee note on kubuntu.org?
[01:41] <fromoze> JRe: studies?
[01:41] <fromoze> I dunno :/
[01:41] <JRe> fromoze: yeah intership in a non govertmental organization
[01:42] <fromoze> Riddell if you want to put a note, say that we are trying to make it work ...
[01:44] <fromoze> JRe: I'm living in Salamanca, but I'm from Vigo. May be you travel to here?
[01:45] <JRe> fromoze: yeah Salamanca is my second favourite city in spain after Grenada ;)
[01:45] <OculusAquilae> ah, we are on ubuntulinux.org :-)
[01:45] <OculusAquilae> edubuntu too
[01:46] <JRe> Riddell: BTW have you tested the brand new medianotifier ?
[01:47] <fromoze> JRe: All the foreingers visitos likes Salamanca XD
[01:47] <fromoze> excuse for my english :$
[01:47] <JRe> fromoze: it's not strange, given that the architecture really kicks ass!
[01:47] <JRe> fromoze: it also seems to be a student city
[01:48] <JRe> fromoze: Madrid kicks ass too ;)
[01:48] <fromoze> JRe: I prefer Santiago de Compostela :)
[01:48] <JRe> fromoze: aaaa Galicia
[01:48] <fromoze> JRe: where are you from?
[01:48] <JRe> fromoze: Montpellier, France
[01:49] <JRe> fromoze: los pimientos de padron
[01:50] <wincide> hola fromoze  xD
[01:50] <fromoze> JRe: My brother in love is french, my sister lives in Paris. And I travel a lot in France, where I lived for a year in Lorient.
[01:50] <fromoze> but never gone to montpellier
[01:50] <wincide> hi all xD
[01:50] <fromoze> Riddell, wincide is whom has created the #kubuntu-es 
[01:51] <Riddell> wincide: welcome along :)
[01:51] <Riddell> wincide, fromoze: got a sentence or two to put on kubuntu.org?  my Spanish is not very good
[01:51] <wincide> very nice to meet you :D
[01:52] <wincide> Riddell: my english is not very good too XD
[01:52] <Riddell> wincide: I think it should be in Spanish.  or maybe I can write it in English and you can translate it for me
[01:54] <Riddell> wincide: is the #kubuntu-es channel registered?
[01:54] <wincide> i dont know .. i didnt register even my nick
[01:54] <wincide> xDD
[01:54] <JRe> wincide: so it's not registered :)
[01:55] <wincide> sure.. 
[01:55] <fromoze> I'm gonna ask xuzo to introduce #kubuntu-es on the contact list of ubuntu-es.org; but, better to register it before?
[01:55] <wincide> im going register my nick and look for #kubuntu-es registration
[01:55] <wincide> :)
[01:57] <Riddell> Channel: #kubuntu-es Contact: StR, last seen: 6 weeks 2 days (11h 30m 13s) ago
[01:57] <fromoze> How do I to register the channel? I start using IRC this month :/
[01:57] <fromoze> before I was happy enough with jabber...
[01:57] <JRe> ./msg chanserv register #kubuntu-es password
[01:57] <Riddell> str has already registed it, do you know StR?
[01:58] <fromoze> no
[01:58] <wincide> . since i've created this that channel i've  always connected
[01:58] <wincide> 6 weeks !! XD
[01:59] <fromoze> I do a whois and StR is unknown...
[01:59] <JRe> ./msg nickserv info StR
[02:00] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/kubuntu-es.php
[02:00] <fromoze> ./msg nickserv info StR
[02:00] <fromoze> sorry :$
[02:00] <JRe> fromoze: erase the .
[02:01] <wincide> :D 
[02:02] <Riddell> I'll contact freenode staff, see if we can get control of it
[02:03] <wincide> i have to go :\ just in this very interesting moment for me .. i have to go to a web engeneering course about RIA applications this soon
[02:03] <wincide> see you later
[02:03] <Riddell> wincide: later
[02:03] <JRe> wincide: enjoy ;) !
[02:04] <fromoze> wincide: xiau!
[02:04] <fromoze> #kubuntu-es will be introduced in the ubuntu-es.org references :)
[02:04] <Riddell> fromoze: anything to add to that page on the website?
[02:05] <pef> does gpg-agent works for you ?
[02:05] <Riddell> pef: not in my very limited experience
[02:06] <fromoze> Riddel: Would you like the translation?
[02:06] <Riddell> fromoze: please
[02:06] <pef> gpg: can't connect to `/tmp/gpg-QMccAq/S.gpg-agent': Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type
[02:06] <pef> Riddell: you have error like this : 
[02:06] <pef> ?
[02:06] <wincide> Riddell: tell me a sentence in english and i'll try to translate
[02:06] <wincide> :)
[02:07] <Riddell> wincide: http://kubuntu.org/kubuntu-es.php
[02:07] <fromoze> wincide: I'll doy it ;)
[02:07] <wincide> The growing Kubuntu community has started a Spanish Kubuntu chat channel. #kubuntu-es on freenode IRC will provide help and support to Spanish Kubuntu users. 
[02:08] <wincide> la creciente ccomunidad Kubuntu ya tiene un canal de chat sobre Kubuntu en espaol . #kubuntu-es en freenode IRC le dara soporte y ayuda a los usuarios de kubuntu hispano-parlantes
[02:08] <wincide> :D
[02:09] <wincide> sorry .  La creciente comunidad Kubuntu ya tiene un canal de chat sobre Kubuntu en espaol . #kubuntu-es en freenode IRC le dar soporte y ayuda a los usuarios de kubuntu hispano-parlantes
[02:09] <wincide> that's better
[02:10] <wincide> now i'm gonna leave :)
[02:10] <wincide> adios ;)
[02:15] <pef> Riddell: if you're interested in gpg agent, try seahorse-agent, it solved my problem
[02:16] <Riddell> pef: apt-cache search doesn't bring it up
[02:16] <pef> Riddell: provided with seahorse ;)
[02:17] <Riddell> "A Gnome front end for GnuPG" booo
[02:18] <JRe> lol
[02:20] <Riddell> Kubuntu Espaol now on http://kubuntu.org/
[02:21] <pef> but now I don't have to type again and again my looong passphrase when packaging :] 
[02:22] <Riddell> Mez should get kgpg updated
[02:27] <Mez> why ?
[02:30] <uniq> hi guys.
[02:31] <Riddell> Mez: weren't you complaining about it?
[02:31] <fromoze> Riddell: sorry, I must answer the phone (VIP: my girlfriend xD); I see the translation is donne.. Then, it's all ok? 
[02:32] <Mez> I was complaining but i cant update it myself... I wuldnt know hwhere to start ;:D
[02:33] <pef> Riddell: kubuntu allows hibernate ?
[02:33] <Riddell> pef: depends on your system I think
[02:33] <pef> Riddell: I don't have it on my shutdown menu, what have I missed ?
[02:34] <JRe> pef: talking about the kde shutdown menu?
[02:34] <pef> JRe: yes
[02:34] <JRe> pef: patch it ;)
[02:34] <Riddell> mostly it's part of klaptopdaemon
[02:34] <JRe> Riddell: yes it is
[02:35] <pef> mm ok
[02:35] <Riddell> chowells was doing something to fix up klaptopdaemon, not sure the state of that though
[02:36] <JRe> Riddell: the problem is that KLaptop show up only if you have a laptop, n+o?
[02:36] <Riddell> not sure what makes it show up, I thought an acpi or apm interface would
[02:38] <JRe> Riddell: tough it will not be a bad idea to be allowed to hibernate from the logout menu, no?
[02:38] <Riddell> JRe: sounds like a good idea to me, not sure how you'd do it though
[02:38] <pef> JRe: like in ubuntu
[02:38] <Riddell> ask klaptopdaemon if it's possible I guess
[02:40] <JRe> Riddell: mmm that's a pain i am pretty sure that my computer can do hibernate but klaptop does not show
[02:41] <JRe> pef: hibernate is only with acpi ?
[02:42] <pef> JRe: I don't know, since ubuntu is on a laptop
[02:42] <JRe> pef: on a laptop you can have hibernate with klaptop
[02:43] <JRe> Riddell: ubuntu kernel is compiled with softwaresuspend ?
[02:43] <pef> JRe: I don't have kde on it ;)
[02:43] <pef> JRe: yes, it's softwaresuspend2
[02:43] <JRe> pef: okay!
[02:43] <tvo> when packaging, if I've made a list of build-depends, should I include version numbers?
[02:44] <JRe> tvo: sure 
[02:45] <JRe> tvo: but it depends the program
[02:45] <Riddell> tvo: if it depends on a certain version yes
[02:45] <tvo> Riddell: point is that I don't know that
[02:45] <JRe> tvo: automake1.7 for instance doesn't need a version number
[02:45] <Riddell> tvo: well it won't hurt to add them
[02:46] <JRe> tvo: autotools-dev neither
[02:46] <tvo> hmm, ok I'll figure them out them. btw, I should strip off the Nubuntu part I assume: e.g. "libqt3-mt-dev (3:3.3.3)"
[02:47] <tvo> would be "libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3:3.3.3)" of course
[02:47] <tvo> :)
[02:47] <JRe> tvo: what do you package?
[02:47] <tvo> kio-locate
[02:47] <Riddell> tvo: you know there is already a kio-locate package?
[02:48] <tvo> yes i had already a debian/ subdir in the project tree
[02:48] <tvo> I'm doublechecking things, also to learn a bit about packaging
[02:49] <Riddell> tvo: apt-get source kio-locate in breezy to see what's already there
[02:49] <tvo> btw, are there also different packages needed for kubuntu and debian
[02:49] <tvo> ?
[02:50] <Riddell> tvo: I don't think the package is in debian
[02:51] <JRe> Riddell: no kio-locate in Debian
[02:51] <tvo> Riddell: not in their repo's then, but Armin supplies a .deb on his site
[02:52] <JRe> and it's not in WNPP
[02:52] <tvo> what's WNPP?
[02:52] <JRe> Work-Needing and
[02:52] <JRe> Prospective Packages
[02:53] <JRe> tvo: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/
[02:54] <JRe> Riddell: is it possible for Katapult to use the KDE BTS ?
[02:56] <Riddell> JRe: only if it was in KDE SVN I suspect
[02:57] <JRe> mmm ok
[02:57] <tvo> JRe: it's not in WNPP
[02:57] <JRe> tvo: who is maintaining the kio-locate package?
[02:57] <JRe> tvo: and is kio-locate going to be in kdebase ?
[02:58] <uniq> i did the package currently in breezy.
[02:59] <JRe> uniq: you know if kio-locate is going to be integrated in KDE ?
[02:59] <tvo> uniq: ah ok, so maybe you can help me a bit?  :D
[03:00] <uniq> jre: don't know.
[03:00] <uniq> tvo: sure.
[03:01] <tvo> uniq: that's nice. current status is: i don't know much about packaging :( and have almost entirely new kio-locate source
[03:01] <tvo> i'm now adding breezy source repo and getting your package
[03:02] <uniq> I guess you could copy the debian dir from my package.
[03:02] <uniq> you still use scons? 
[03:03] <JRe> tvo: you're the upstream of kio-locate ?
[03:05] <tvo> uniq: yes, updated to newest bksys version
[03:07] <tvo> JRe: guess so yes, maybe upstream author too
[03:08] <JRe> tvo: you're the author or not?
[03:10] <uniq> tvo: if you're upstream now, please remove the included scons-mini from the upstream source. :)
[03:11] <uniq> or make it more sensible somehow. distribute two source tarballs or something.
[03:11] <tvo> JRe: suppose so, it's a fork of the code of Armin now
[03:11] <tvo> uniq: that should be easy
[03:11] <JRe> armin has stopped development
[03:11] <JRe> ?
[03:22] <tvo> JRe, I don't know, in any case, he doesn't develop as active as I do atm.
[03:23] <tvo> unfortunately i can only reach him per e-mail, I could ask him who is official upstream etc.
[03:25] <tvo> dmn this packaging stuff is difficult :( even c++ is way easier ;p
[03:53] <tvo> am i right in that the *.orig.tar.gz contains upstream author's source and *.diff.gz contains differences made by maintainer?
[03:55] <Riddell> tvo: yep
[03:55] <tvo> ok, now trying to if i can get a package build..
[04:04] <tvo> w00000t 
[04:04] <tvo> got apackage compiled :)
[04:05] <tvo> now to do it again with right versions/changelog etc
[04:12] <\sh> Riddell: ping
[04:12] <\sh> Riddell: kdelibs4-dev: Depends: libarts1-dev (>= 1.4.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libopenexr-dev (>= 1.2.1) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3.3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[04:20] <Riddell> \sh: hmm?
[04:20] <Riddell> \sh: amd64?
[04:36] <\sh> Riddell: i386
[04:36] <\sh> Riddell: local pbuilder
[04:47] <Riddell> \sh: I can installed kdelibs4-dev ok today (couldn't yesterday due to xbase-clients being broken)
[04:47] <uniq> i can't instlal it.
[04:48] <uniq> same error \sh pasted.
[04:48] <Riddell> uniq: try using uk mirror maybe
[04:49] <uniq> i use archive.ubuntu.com
[04:49] <uniq> i can try to change.
[04:49] <Riddell> hmm
[04:49] <uniq> uk.archive and archive are the same.
[04:50] <Riddell> yes
[04:51] <\sh> actually, I'm using only archive.ubuntu.com
[04:51] <uniq> that's the same i use. and it's the same as uk.archive.
[04:51] <\sh> but it looks like, that we have issues with qt and stuff, eventually because of Xorg?
[04:52] <uniq> hmm.. 
[04:53] <uniq> i can install kdelibs4-dev if i apt-get install libarts1-dev libqt3-mt-dev kdelibs4-dev
[04:53] <uniq> The following extra packages will be installed:
[04:53] <uniq>   libglu1-xorg-dev libopenexr-dev
[04:53] <\sh> ok...libglu
[04:53] <\sh> yes
[04:53] <uniq> could be that.
[04:54] <\sh> riddell: I'm going home now...so I can have a look on qt...if u want..provide a debdiff later?
[04:55] <\sh> ok...home :)
[04:58] <uniq> \sh_away: would be nice if you had a look at kio-apt in revu. http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=117
[05:29] <Mez> lol
[05:29] <Mez> had kubuntupult rejected on SF
[05:29] <Mez> Inadequate registration description or license detail; or additional information required
[06:03] <\sh> re
[06:40] <Riddell> seth_k: any resolution to the libXrender.la issue?  I've just come across it
[06:41] <seth_k> Riddell: I asked daniels, he said he would look at it later
[06:41] <seth_k> I got the impression he was pretty busy
[06:47] <seth_k> what build is hanging you up?
[06:48] <Riddell> seth_k: ggz-kde-games
[06:49] <seth_k> uses libtool?
[06:50] <Riddell> yes
[06:52] <seth_k> okay. Let me know if you find out anything, if you have time, Riddell. Thanks
[06:56] <\sh> oh...it's even more worse now ,-)
[06:56] <\sh> kdelibs4-dev: Depends: kdelibs4c2 (= 4:3.4.1-0ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdelibs-bin (= 4:3.4.1-0ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed
[06:56] <seth_k> oh joy
[06:57] <seth_k> btw \sh are you feeling better today
[06:58] <\sh> seth: yepp..no problem :) sometimes some bad things are happening to often..
[06:58] <seth_k> yep, i understand. glad to hear you are doing better though
[06:59] <\sh> concentrate on my work  now :) it helps to forget :)
[08:14] <Riddell> hmm, kdelibs doesn't compile without libXrender.la
[08:15] <seth_k> haha
[08:15] <seth_k> it just doesn't end
[08:17] <Mez> Riddell, didn't seth tell you that yesterday ?
[08:18] <Riddell> Mez: seth_k had problems with a different package, I just tried kdelibs now
[08:18] <Mez> oh, fair enough
[08:22] <seth_k> daniels is a very popular guy right now, everyone wants him for a different issue
[08:36] <Riddell> "Martin Meredith has been successfully subscribed to kubuntu-bugs." poor chap
[08:43] <Mez> lol - I was getting it through gmane before :D
[08:43] <Mez> but I'm moving to getting them all through email
[08:50] <seth_k> any progress on libxrender, Riddell?
[08:51] <tvo> ls
[08:51] <tvo> oops:)
[08:51] <seth_k> directory is empty
[08:51] <Riddell> seth_k: compliling qt to see if that breaks too
[08:52] <seth_k> :D
[08:52] <seth_k> ok Riddell 
[08:52] <Riddell> I expect it isn't since qt shouldn't use libtool
[08:52] <tvo> seth_k :D
[08:53] <tvo> Riddell, are packages like libc automagically added to dependencies?
[08:55] <tvo> I don't understand why http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/kde/kio-locate lists different deps than .dsc and debian/control
[08:55] <tvo> and it's the same version
[08:55] <Riddell> tvo: yes, build-essential is assumed to be installed
[08:55] <Riddell> tvo: because shlibs is expanded?
[08:56] <tvo> that explains the ones that got added, but not the ones that got removed
[08:57] <tvo> bzip2 and scons are missing on the packages.ubuntu.com page
[08:58] <Riddell> tvo: bzip2 and scons are build-depends
[08:58] <Riddell> they arn't needed for the actual package, only compiling it
[08:59] <Riddell> tvo: look at debian/control, the top section is the build stuff, then the next section is for the actual package
[09:00] <tvo> ah only depends are listed on that webpage, got a bit confused by the two different depends
[09:01] <Riddell> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/source/kio-locate
[09:01] <Riddell> source page too
[09:02] <tvo> ah ok
[09:03] <tvo> uniq: could it be that libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3) is missing from build-depends?
[09:03] <tvo> or depends kdelibs-dev on it?
[09:04] <tvo> nevermind i figured it out myself
[09:04] <Riddell> kdelibs4-dev depends on qt-dev
[09:05] <tvo> yep
[09:06] <Riddell> deb:foo should work
[09:19] <tvo> for version, i suppose 0.4.2tvo0.1 will do, as you suggested earlier?
[09:20] <Riddell> yeah
[09:21] <tvo> should I also specify a Conflicts: or Replaces: field with "kio-locate (= 0.4.2-0ubuntu1)" in it?
[09:22] <Riddell> tvo: no
[09:22] <Riddell> don't conflict with self
[09:22] <Riddell> only one version of the package is going to be installed at any time
[09:23] <tvo> ah ok, i keep learning :p
[09:37] <tvo> Riddell: am I right in saying that the *.diff.gz file will be empty (or rather, the .diff will be empty)?
[09:37] <tvo> because I'm author+maintainer
[09:38] <Riddell> tvo: yes, if your "release" is exactly the same as your package
[09:39] <tvo> i suppose it makes no sense for me to modify the release, but not the package
[10:39] <tvo> Riddell: is it common/required to include the configure cache in the package too?
[10:39] <Riddell> tvo: don't think so
[10:40] <tvo> ok thanks
[10:53] <tvo> Riddell: in which package is 'dch' (for debian/changelog)? i can't find it
[10:54] <Riddell> tvo: devscripts?
[10:56] <tvo> k thanks
[10:57] <pef_aw> tvo: first result of apt-cache search dch ;)
[10:57] <Riddell> tvo: make sure you edit the KubuntuPackageGuide as you find things lacking :)
[10:58] <tvo> pef_aw: ok, should have tried that one too
[10:58] <tvo> Riddell: yeah, first I'm trying to understand things :)
[11:00] <tvo> if I want to sent a plain debian package to armin too, I should make two packages, is that right?
[11:01] <tvo> one with version unstable and one with breezy in debian/changelog
[11:01] <Riddell> tvo: the version in the changelog doesn't actually matter much unless it's being uploaded
[11:02] <tvo> ah ok, in that case i'll just make the breezy one and send that to armin with a note about that
[11:02] <tvo> since it wasn't in debian iirc, but it is to be in breezy
[11:14] <pef_aw> minor changes (like renaming the source tarball to foo-x.y.tar.gz) must be mentionned in the debian.readme or changelog ?
[11:15] <Riddell> pef: don't need to mention that
[11:15] <pef> ok, thanks
[11:27] <tvo> Riddell, are these serious warnings? --> http://rafb.net/paste/results/e0hBid40.html
[11:27] <tvo> the first one is BS, but i've no clue about the second one
[11:28] <Riddell> tvo: first is a bug in lintian
[11:29] <Riddell> tvo: second one you normally call --disable-rpath on ./configure
[11:29] <Riddell> dunno what you do with scons
[11:29] <tvo> hmm, i doubt if scons has that, but i'll check
[11:29] <Riddell> I havn't worked out what an rpath is or why it's bad but apparantly it is
[11:30] <tvo> hehe. Well I'll assume it is for now, and see if I can fix it