[12:16] <TestMAD> well..that kinda worked
[12:16] <TestMAD> got me past the root msg
[12:16] <TestMAD> but now it says that im running an x server and i need to get out of that to continue with the installation
[12:17] <TestMAD> pls help
[12:17] <apokryphos> TestMAD: to install the drivers you only need two commands
[12:17] <apokryphos> !nvidia
[12:17] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:19] <TestMAD> ok..
[12:19] <TestMAD> cus as you might know im having to do this from command line
[12:19] <supernix> othernoob: is this the links you were talking about http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/SRC680_m116/Build-1/OOo_SRC680_m116_en-US_native_LinuxIntel_install_deb.tar.gz
[12:19] <apokryphos> TestMAD: no point in getting their own; use Ubuntu's
[12:19] <apokryphos> TestMAD: not cussing in the slightest
[12:19] <othernoob> you don't need the tar.gz, there's a deb too i think.
[12:20] <TestMAD> i get a blackscreen and i have to ctr+alt+f1
[12:20] <TestMAD> then i can do stuff
[12:20] <apokryphos> TestMAD: don't bother about doing it that way.. unnecessary hassle
[12:20] <othernoob> meh, supernix, yea. get that. looked at subfolder.
[12:20] <othernoob> subdirectory*
[12:21] <TestMAD> what way?
[12:21] <apokryphos> TestMAD: check the link above ^
[12:21] <TestMAD> i did
[12:21] <TestMAD> im gonan try that now
[12:21] <supernix> Ok thanks othernoob was not sure what to get or what to do
[12:21] <apokryphos> TestMAD: basically just sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx, and then sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:21] <supernix> I worry about something being to bleeding edge
[12:22] <TestMAD> sofar on a noob xp 2 *nix transition...i give it -5
[12:22] <TestMAD> hehe
[12:22] <apokryphos> TestMAD: I give it much higher, so far. All you really need is diligence, and you'll be fine :)
[12:22] <apokryphos> (non-guru talking here)
[12:23] <TestMAD> i tried doing this on vmware..but kubuntu wouldnt even find the virtual drive i setup
[12:23] <TestMAD> and i cant use the livecd to see if i like linux either..cus of the nvidia driver problems im having
[12:24] <TestMAD> brb..
[12:37] <TestMAD> ok..that didnt werk
[12:37] <TestMAD> still got black screen
[12:37] <TestMAD> no desktop
[12:38] <_roadie> hi guys, got a question thats way off topic, but figured i would ask?
[12:38] <_roadie> anyone ever have problems with Yahoo member search for people?
[12:38] <TestMAD> any more suggestions on trying to get the nvidia 6600 cards to work?
[12:39] <_roadie> not matter what, where, who , why or when I never get any results back?
[12:39] <_roadie> doesn't matter which computer I use or if I am behind my firewall or not?
[12:39] <_roadie> fucking driving me crazy
[12:39] <_roadie> doesn't matter what os either, linux, mac osx, solaris?
[12:40] <Riddell> McScruff: do people often ask you how it can be that the fish in the sea are all unable to sing?
[12:40] <McScruff> yes
[12:40] <Riddell> suspected so :)
[12:40] <McScruff> i tell them that the fish sticks its head out the water and sings  like the bass on my wall
[12:40] <TestMAD> this is messed up..i went from trying the livecd to see if i like linux..to installing it cus of driver problems..and now im still stuck
[12:41] <apokryphos> TestMAD: you installed the drivers, what happened?
[12:41] <TestMAD> nothing
[12:41] <TestMAD> still got black screen
[12:41] <apokryphos> TestMAD: did you do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select nvidia there?
[12:41] <TestMAD> the card is a 6600gt
[12:42] <TestMAD> nope
[12:42] <TestMAD> just did what that webpage told me to
[12:43] <TestMAD> would it have anything to do with SLI..i got an SLI setup..
[12:43] <apokryphos> TestMAD: ah, they missed it out in the NVidia steps.. will edit that in
[12:43] <TestMAD> i run 2 6600gts
[12:43] <apokryphos> TestMAD: it's no use having the driver installed if you don't tell X to use it :). Running that command you get the chance to do that
[12:43] <apokryphos> it's probably currently set as "nv" or something
[12:43] <TestMAD> ok..so waht is the full set of steps i need to take
[12:45] <apokryphos> TestMAD: the ones I said originally, and then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. This will edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file... which you can do manually, but no harm doing that
[12:45] <apokryphos> if you have monitor specific things too you can add them in from the dpkg-reconfigure
[12:45] <TestMAD> ok
[12:46] <TestMAD> lemme try that now and see waht happens
[12:47] <McScruff> xchat or kvirc hmmmm
[12:48] <apokryphos> McScruff: konversation :P
[12:49] <McScruff> never used it
[12:49] <McScruff> can you have a "whats playing" in amarok in it?
[12:49] <apokryphos> McScruff: it's the most popular KDE IRC Client, at least. Very good.
[12:49] <apokryphos> sure
[12:49] <McScruff> and im compiling kvirc atm :S
[12:49] <apokryphos> Using svn at the moment though, so I can't :-S Should try to fix that
[12:50] <apokryphos> why compiling?
[12:50] <McScruff> coz the latest stable isnt in resp's
[12:50] <McScruff> what ever their called
[12:50] <McScruff> not on apt-get :)
[12:50] <apokryphos> right
[12:51] <McScruff> they have 2.2.0 and 3.2.0 is the latest stable
[12:51] <apokryphos> dated, yup.
[12:57] <McScruff> is there any coders here?
[01:03] <TestMAD> well..
[01:03] <TestMAD> reconfigured the xserver
[01:03] <TestMAD> and got an error i think
[01:04] <TestMAD> said possibly writing over a customized something..and backing up
[01:04] <TestMAD> on the reboot..still got black screen
[01:04] <TestMAD> this is beginning to be more trouble than its worth to me
[01:05] <TestMAD> so..how do i remove this grub loader from my MBR?
[01:06] <TestMAD> that way my pc can go back to like it was
[01:07] <TestMAD> well??
[01:07] <TestMAD> anyhelp?
[01:08] <TestMAD> apokryphos
[01:08] <apokryphos> yo
[01:08] <TestMAD> read back
[01:09] <apokryphos> TestMAD: hm, did you go through all the steps?
[01:09] <apokryphos> TestMAD: as in, did the dpkg-reconfigure finish?
[01:09] <TestMAD> after i set the 24bit color
[01:09] <apokryphos> right
[01:09] <TestMAD> thats when it cut off
[01:09] <TestMAD> and gave me that error
[01:09] <apokryphos> what exactly did it say? Paste?
[01:09] <TestMAD> heh..cant
[01:09] <TestMAD> have to reboot
[01:10] <TestMAD> said that it was possible writing over a costomized config
[01:10] <TestMAD> and was backing up
[01:10] <apokryphos> TestMAD: what black screen does it give you? Is it a shell?
[01:10] <TestMAD> no
[01:10] <TestMAD> not a shell
[01:10] <TestMAD> just a black screen
[01:10] <TestMAD> i hear no sound or nothing
[01:11] <apokryphos> TestMAD: ok, did it definitely say error? The dpkg-reconfigure there automatically backs up before it writes changes..
[01:11] <apokryphos> it's so that you can revert to your old xorg.conf file
[01:11] <apokryphos> (if you had to)
[01:11] <TestMAD> didnt say error.
[01:11] <TestMAD> i was jsut assuming
[01:11] <TestMAD> but when i got to that i was back ata the prompt
[01:12] <apokryphos> If you look in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file can you verify that under Section "Device" it says "nvidia" ?
[01:12] <TestMAD> umm..i dunno
[01:12] <TestMAD> have to reboot
[01:12] <apokryphos> yeah, it should take you back to the prompt
[01:12] <apokryphos> oh :|
[01:12] <apokryphos> TestMAD: you can talk to us from shell, you know ;-)
[01:12] <TestMAD> how?
[01:12] <apokryphos> Use irssi
[01:12] <TestMAD> ok..
[01:12] <apokryphos> comman line irc client
[01:12] <TestMAD> ill try it
[01:13] <TestMAD> brb
[01:13] <apokryphos> you can switch between shell sessions with F2, F3 and so on..
[01:13] <TestMAD> ok
[01:13] <TestMAD> brb
[01:13] <apokryphos> i.e. so you can talk to us in one and give out commands in the other
[01:13] <TestMAD> ok
[01:13] <apokryphos> ok
[01:13] <TestMAD> thnx
[01:20] <TestMAD> ok
[01:21] <TestMAD> cant connect
[01:21] <TestMAD> unable to resolve dns
[01:21] <TestMAD> apokryphos
[01:21] <apokryphos> TestMAD: doesn't detect your connection?
[01:22] <TestMAD> i dunno
[01:22] <TestMAD> just tells me unable to resolve dns
[01:22] <apokryphos> TestMAD: I'd ask you to try more things but that'll be a hassle, I guess :P
[01:22] <apokryphos> you coulda tried to ping..
[01:22] <TestMAD> just tell me how to remove this and the grubloader
[01:23] <TestMAD> ill try and get vmware to work right
[01:23] <apokryphos> TestMAD: to remove Ubuntu... format the partition
[01:23] <TestMAD> figured that
[01:23] <apokryphos> to remove GRUB from MBR, no real idea. I'm sure it'll be on Google
[01:23] <TestMAD> what about the MBR?
[01:23] <TestMAD> heh
[01:23] <TestMAD> ok
[01:24] <TestMAD> k
[01:24] <TestMAD> thnx for the help
[01:24] <TestMAD> after i eat ill try again with vmware
[01:25] <TestMAD> and see if we can get this werking right
[01:25] <TestMAD> sofare though..
[01:25] <TestMAD> my experience hasnt been good
[01:25] <TestMAD> and y does ubuntu load slower than xp?
[01:25] <apokryphos> Sorry to hear. In theory it should of course start up straight away
[01:25] <TestMAD> from power on to desktop with xp is 14 seconds
[01:25] <apokryphos> TestMAD: it takes longer to start up, but, at least for me, it's infinitely faster after that
[01:26] <TestMAD> ok
[01:26] <TestMAD> well..im still willign to try..
[01:26] <TestMAD> i think that the learning curve is just getting to me right now
[01:26] <apokryphos> :)
[01:26] <TestMAD> so..bbl..gotta eat and fix MBR
[01:58] <PenguinBoy> good evening geeks, nerds, and Linus gurus
[02:00] <othernoob> night
[02:04] <bur[n] er> anyone know what's up with the kubuntu archives?  I'm not able to apt-get install konqueror due to md5sum and kfind
[02:04] <TestMAD> apokryphos
[02:05] <crimsun> bur[n] er: change mirrors
[02:05] <crimsun> bur[n] er: i.e., s/us.//g in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:05] <bur[n] er> got it
[02:05] <bur[n] er> thanks
[02:05] <apokryphos> TestMAD: hi
[02:06] <TestMAD> ok...got it working with vmware sofar
[02:06] <TestMAD> its installing
[02:06] <apokryphos> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/qt4/ | Kubuntu help channel | Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de/ | KOffice 1.4 http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice-14.php | KDE 3.4.1 http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php | us.archive currently broken; use another mirror ({ca,uk,se}.archive)
[02:06] <TestMAD> but still had issues with my ethernet
[02:06] <apokryphos> hm
[02:07] <apokryphos> TestMAD: ok, what's going wrong?
[02:07] <bur[n] er> that did it, thanks crimsun 
[02:07] <apokryphos> TestMAD: can you ping google.com?
[02:07] <bur[n] er> silly us mirror
[02:07] <dell500> anyone here know how to get dual monitors to work?
[02:08] <TestMAD> im not that far yet
[02:08] <TestMAD> still installing
[02:08] <apokryphos> TestMAD: DHCP failed?
[02:08] <TestMAD> and when it got to the network part dhcp failed
[02:08] <TestMAD> i told it to configure later
[02:09] <TestMAD> i just wanna get it installed
[02:09] <TestMAD> thats y the irssi didnt werk earlier
[02:09] <apokryphos> TestMAD: you should have retried autoconfiguration
[02:09] <TestMAD> oh
[02:09] <apokryphos> I don't know why, but for me it always only works teh second time around
[02:09] <TestMAD> ok
[02:09] <apokryphos> nevermind, when you're at a shell type "sudo dhclient"
[02:10] <TestMAD> ok..gonna be a bit..40% of base installed sofar
[02:11] <dell500> is there a way to get all the cpu usage, ram usage, and stuff on the desktop?
[02:12] <thoreauputic> dell500: install GKrellm
[02:12] <apokryphos> dell500: or superkaramba
[02:13] <dell500> i'll google
[02:13] <apokryphos> Loads of Karamba themes on kdelook... you can get both from apt.
[02:14] <dell500> will they conflict with anything??
[02:14] <dell500> if i install both
[02:15] <apokryphos> Nope
[02:15] <dell500> i couldn't seem to install GKrellm
[02:15] <apokryphos> why not?
[02:15] <dell500> got superkaramba to work
[02:15] <apokryphos> !find gkrellm
[02:16] <apokryphos> I think it's in Universe
[02:16] <apokryphos> dell500: cool, now just get your theme from kdelook.org -- you might like to start with Cynapses. An old classic
[02:16] <dell500> i guess it's case sens.
[02:16] <dell500> kool beans
[02:16] <dell500> hold on
[02:17] <apokryphos> packages are in lower-case, though
[02:17] <dell500> ya, thought so
[02:17] <apokryphos> (ubotu posts the results to you by /msg when there's many, I believe)
[02:18] <dell500> what would the Cynapses be under?? Cynapses karamba?
[02:19] <chris12349> you don't really have to do anything to install superkaramba themes. just grab them off kde-look and open them with superkaramba
[02:19] <apokryphos> dell500: yes, you should find it with a search
[02:20] <apokryphos> dell500: http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=11405
[02:20] <TestMAD> does enlightenment work on ubuntu?
[02:20] <apokryphos> Quite sure it does, yeah.
[02:20] <TestMAD> great
[02:21] <TestMAD> im a litestep fanboy here..and would like a nix equivalent if i can ever get things running
[02:21] <apokryphos> not sure how up-to-date it is though
[02:21] <dell500> is there a good dest for the theme to be at ??
[02:21] <dell500> such as a theme folder for super karamba
[02:21] <dell500> just wanan be organized :)
[02:22] <apokryphos> dell500: nah. I just have a ~/themes/karamba/ folder though
[02:22] <dell500> ie: /home/dell500/themese/karamba
[02:23] <dell500> i guess it really doesn't matter
[02:23] <dell500> lol
[02:23] <apokryphos> Yeah, whatever. Generally a good idea to keep your themes organised
[02:23] <dell500> true
[02:23] <apokryphos> i.e. so you know where window decs, styles, kakramba stuff, icons etc. are
[02:23] <apokryphos> (if they have their respective folders)
[02:24] <TestMAD> ok..booting up now
[02:24] <apokryphos> Hopefully in the future you won't really have to do this that much with KHotNewStuff :P
[02:24] <dell500> what's that??
[02:24] <dell500> oooooooo my monitor decided to warm up
[02:24] <TestMAD> ok..doing the pachages now
[02:24] <dell500> anyone here have a viewsonic monitor that takes a long time to cold boot??
[02:24] <chris12349> apokryphos:  I'm looking forward to seeing that 
[02:24] <apokryphos> Kind of a way to integrate kdelook.org with KDE desktop. It's already done with a few programs.. i.e. with wallpapers
[02:25] <dell500> kool
[02:25] <apokryphos> chris12349: indeed :). amaroK and Kopete have done quite a bit, already
[02:25] <dell500> so how do i edit the theme??
[02:25] <apokryphos> still not in kde svn for icons/window-decs/styles still, I see, though
[02:25] <apokryphos> dell500: right-click -> edit theme
[02:26] <dell500> neato
[02:27] <chris12349> apokryphos: What version of Kopete? 
[02:27] <apokryphos> chris12349: svn only... they're releasing a snapshot next week though
[02:27] <chris12349> oh ok, I though I completely missed something :)
[02:29] <chris12349> I've been archiving files at work with the latest version of K3B, what a great program
[02:33] <dell500> i think i'm using my eth1, not eth0
[02:33] <dell500> and i just edited the conf but still nothing comes up, shoudl i reload the theme??
[02:33] <apokryphos> dell500: ifconfig
[02:33] <apokryphos> Yes, it needs to be reloaded
[02:35] <dell500> hmm, it is eth1, changed in the config as well
[02:35] <dell500> i wonder why it's not responding
[02:48] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to change the gtk theme within kubuntu?  Is it possible to change the gtk theme only when using kde?
[02:48] <spermie_411> whys nmap so weird to use?
[02:48] <spermie_411> i don't get ot
[02:49] <spermie_411> it^
[02:49] <apokryphos> bur[n] er: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[02:49] <bur[n] er> hrm... last time I used that, it crashed my gnome... 
[02:50] <apokryphos> bur[n] er: you can then edit their style settings from kcontrol
[02:50] <bur[n] er> cool
[02:50] <bur[n] er> i remember the package now
[02:50] <bur[n] er> thanks
[02:50] <apokryphos> That's weird and it would be a serious bug. It shouldn't apply outside of kde at all
[02:51] <bur[n] er> it could have been with warty and kde or something
[02:51] <bur[n] er> i don't recall
[02:51] <bur[n] er> maybe it was debian
[02:52] <bur[n] er> apokryphos: know if there is anything that goes the other way?  to use gtk themes in qt?
[02:52] <dell500> is there a list of what "type" i should use for the CPU sensors and fan sensors??
[02:53] <apokryphos> bur[n] er: not that I know of, no -- though #ubuntu is a better place for that
[02:53] <TestMAD> well what do you know..it came up
[02:53] <apokryphos> dell500: is this in the superkaramba theme? I think they have some decent reference guides for the language on their site
[02:53] <TestMAD> i get a desktop
[02:53] <apokryphos> TestMAD: =)
[02:53] <bur[n] er> apokryphos: good call, thanks
[02:53] <TestMAD> but its only cus of vmware
[02:54] <dell500> aw ok
[02:54] <dell500> bb
[02:55] <NamShub> Hi im having a lot of trouble with kubuntu and hope I can get help here
[02:55] <NamShub> 1. My net connection works for a few minutes -- then dies suddenly
[02:56] <TestMAD> ok. apokryphos
[02:56] <chris12349> NamShub: wireless?
[02:56] <NamShub> ... this doesnt happen with gentoo or windows on this machine, and the router is *still* connected. 
[02:56] <NamShub> chris12349: no
[02:56] <TestMAD> now what was it you wanted me to do?
[02:56] <NamShub> so Im trying to install a new version (snapshot from today) but it can not load kernel drivers :S
[02:57] <TestMAD> sudo dhclient?
[02:57] <chris12349> NamShub: have you checked dmesg and your logs to see whats going on?
[02:57] <NamShub> ifconfig reports eth0 as up and running
[02:57] <NamShub> chris12349: yes, absolutely no log :S
[02:58] <NamShub> although I might have overlooked somewhere
[02:58] <apokryphos> TestMAD: yup
[02:58] <apokryphos> TestMAD: you have a router, right?
[02:58] <TestMAD> yea
[02:59] <apokryphos> that should do it, hopefully
[02:59] <NamShub> anyone know how I could just kill the connection and reconnect -- if all else fails atleast I will be inside kubuntu -- easier to troubleshoot
[03:00] <apokryphos> NamShub: ifdown eth0 (or whatever else you're using) will bring down the network interface
[03:01] <NamShub> apokryphos: yes I tried that, unfortunately ifup wont bring it back heh
[03:01] <apokryphos> :|
[03:01] <TestMAD> no DHCPOFFERS recieved
[03:01] <aseigo> NamShub: checked your /etc/network/interfaces?
[03:01] <TestMAD> No working leases in persistent database - sleeping
[03:01] <NamShub> actually... let me try something ill see if its just the "net" Im losing or wether its the entire local network
[03:01] <NamShub> brb
[03:02] <NamShub> asiego: ill take a look at the same time :P
[03:02] <NamShub> thanx,brb
[03:03] <chris12349> hey quick question in cron this is every 10 minutes right? 10 * * * * 
[03:03] <apokryphos> TestMAD: one sec
[03:03] <TestMAD> k
[03:04] <apokryphos> TestMAD: there's a few other things you're meant to do; i.e. commands to find out where the problem is
[03:05] <TestMAD> ok
[03:05] <TestMAD> explain o great one
[03:05] <apokryphos> have absolutely no recollection of what they are; it's worth asking in #ubuntu 
[03:05] <TestMAD> ok
[03:05] <TestMAD> it's prolly a problem with running this in vmware
[03:06] <TestMAD> it looks nice] 
[03:06] <apokryphos> In general #kubuntu is more useful for kde-related issues, as they share the same ubuntu-base
[03:06] <TestMAD> and is actually fast for running on xp
[03:06] <TestMAD> it sees the device..but i got vmware setup wierd
[03:06] <TestMAD> so..
[03:06] <TestMAD> im gonna try installing again
[03:07] <TestMAD> and try autodetecting the netwerk a few times
[03:07] <apokryphos> TestMAD: I dont' think that'll do it
[03:07] <apokryphos> ...if it fails there
[03:07] <dell500> apokryphos, lm-sensors needed to be installed
[03:08] <dell500> apokryphos, i need to make this script, but i'm not sure where lm-sensors installed to
[03:08] <TestMAD> i got the vmware using a VPN connection for guest system ehternet
[03:08] <dell500> there's a conf in /etc/sensors.conf
[03:08] <TestMAD> thats prolly the issue.
[03:08] <apokryphos> No idea I'm afraid
[03:09] <TestMAD> i didnt let it have access to its own ethernet port
[03:09] <TestMAD> but..it does see the device there
[03:09] <TestMAD> it just says its disabled
[03:11] <TestMAD> says click the admin button below to make modifications..
[03:11] <TestMAD> but i dont see it
[03:11] <apokryphos> it should be "Administrator Mode"
[03:11] <TestMAD> yea..
[03:11] <TestMAD> i dont see it
[03:12] <apokryphos> TestMAD: near the bottom... left to "Apply"
[03:14] <TestMAD> oinly buttons i see are configure, enable and disable interface
[03:14] <TestMAD> all greyed out
[03:14] <apokryphos> TestMAD: this may help
[03:14] <apokryphos> TestMAD: look at the very bottom...
[03:14] <TestMAD> ok..is it an icon?
[03:15] <apokryphos> no, a button :).
[03:15] <TestMAD> k
[03:15] <apokryphos> TestMAD: heh, forgot to include the link with "this may help": http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32370
[03:16] <TestMAD> hehe
[03:16] <TestMAD> found it.
[03:16] <TestMAD> window wasnt maximized
[03:17] <TestMAD> thats wierd that its like that
[03:17] <TestMAD> y is it like that?
[03:17] <apokryphos> what resolution are you on?
[03:17] <TestMAD> its at 1024x768
[03:20] <dell500> i'm looking in my /etc/modules conf and it has fglrx on the list more than once, should there only be one instance of it?
[03:26] <_mathieu> :S
[03:26] <NamShub> So what is my /etc/network/interfaces supposed to look like?
[03:28] <NamShub> ?
[03:30] <dinocazares> Can anyone help me?
[03:31] <apokryphos> dinocazares: certainly not without knowing the question ;-)
[03:31] <dinocazares> I can't see the samba shares of the computer next to mine, I have only 2 PC's here
[03:31] <dinocazares> I've clicked the network folders button but only the domain is there, nothing else
[03:31] <TestMAD> apokryphos: how can i get this to see my ntfs drives?
[03:32] <apokryphos> dinocazares: try #ubuntu -- you'll have more luck on issues like that there
[03:32] <dinocazares> hmm, ok,
[03:32] <apokryphos> TestMAD: check the Kubuntu guide in /topic
[03:32] <TestMAD> ok
[03:35] <m1ke> Im having a problem installing rar... when I aptitude search it shows up but when I try to install it says "no candidate version found for rar"
[03:35] <m1ke> could anyone pls help?
[03:36] <apokryphos> m1ke: weird; have you apt-get updated? Also, do you have multiverse enabled? I believe it's there..
[03:36] <m1ke> one sec
[03:36] <apokryphos> m1ke: if not, you should be fine with unrar
[03:37] <m1ke> unrar does not work either
[03:38] <apokryphos> m1ke: I just downloaded and am successfully using unrar..
[03:39] <m1ke> Im just trying to fix now thnx
[03:45] <_david> woohoo
[03:45] <_david> apokryphos: i got it on net now
[03:46] <_david> this is nice
[03:46] <apokryphos> _david: cool :)
[03:47] <_david> can Konversation be connected to multiple servers?
[03:47] <apokryphos> Yup, of course.
[03:48] <_david> hmm..i wish it had a list already there] 
[03:48] <_david> i dont remember the names of all the servers im usually on
[03:49] <apokryphos> _david: some have mentioned that before. Don't really have any idea why they don't have a potential server list ready..
[03:49] <apokryphos> seems like a bad call
[03:49] <_david> yea
[03:50] <_david> ok..so how do i opne up another server?
[03:50] <apokryphos> _david: /server {someotherserver}
[03:50] <_david> ahh
[03:50] <_david> it wont disconnect from this one?
[03:51] <apokryphos> no
[03:53] <m1ke> I am really trying not to be so lame but.... um... could anyone let me know how to enable multiverse?
[03:54] <apokryphos> m1ke: not lame at all. In terminal, sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:54] <apokryphos> m1ke: look for the line that has the "Universe" repository, and add "multiverse" there
[03:54] <apokryphos> ...mentioned in Kubuntu guide, btw
[03:59] <m1ke> I get an error if I do that both in root and as a userr
[04:00] <apokryphos> m1ke: output?
[04:00] <delltony> question: what is the cpu frequency scaler to use with kde?
[04:00] <delltony> i tried t install cpufreqd and it wants to uninstall kubunt-desktop and powernowd
[04:02] <apokryphos> m1ke: ...
[04:02] <apokryphos> !repositories
[04:02] <ubotu> [repositories]  at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:02] <TestMAD> hey..i see myself
[04:02] <TestMAD> i hurt myself
[04:02] <m1ke> no under root it say cannot connect to x server and as a user it says $HOME not set /tmp/kde-...... is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0
[04:03] <apokryphos> m1ke: run kdesu kwrite, then open /etc/apt/sources.list from there
[04:04] <NamShub> :(
[04:04] <NamShub> :(
[04:04] <delltony> apokryphos, any suggestions?
[04:04] <apokryphos> delltony: for music? ;-)
[04:06] <delltony> yeah lets have a party while my cpu goes into meltdown
[04:06] <dell500> anyone here know how to get lm-sensors working??
[04:06] <delltony> hey dell
[04:07] <apokryphos> delltony: what are you trying to do? Check your CPU?
[04:07] <delltony> does your 500 overheat
[04:07] <_david> this is gonna be fun..
[04:07] <delltony> no i'm trying to scale it
[04:07] <_david> any tried using wine with ubuntu?
[04:07] <delltony> cause for some damn reason its getting way to hot
[04:07] <delltony> runs on average at 75C
[04:07] <apokryphos> Yeouch
[04:07] <delltony> with all fans on full throttle
[04:08] <apokryphos> delltony: type "top".. see what's running so high
[04:08] <delltony> the load is small thats what i can't figure out
[04:08] <apokryphos> weird
[04:08] <_david> apokryphos: how would i go about getting wine onto this?
[04:09] <delltony> _david, install wine-tools
[04:09] <_david> ok
[04:09] <_david> how do i do that?
[04:09] <_david> im a noob.
[04:09] <dell500> hey dell
[04:09] <apokryphos> _david: Kubuntu guide is your friend :)
[04:09] <_david> ok
[04:11] <dell500> how might i uninstall an app (lm-sensors) and restore the configuration for modules and stuff back to normal
[04:12] <apokryphos> dell500: apt-get remove {somepackage}, you'll have to manually enter apt-get install {package1} {package2}, for other things after though..
[04:12] <spermie_411> delltony< you got my internet working you ROCK man
[04:12] <delltony> nah just helpin out
[04:12] <delltony> giving back what was given to me
[04:12] <delltony> glad to have helped
[04:12] <spermie_411> yup 
[04:13] <[Relic] > Is there anyway to get a faster keyboard repeat rate?  250ms is very slow compared to what I am used to using
[04:14] <pajohn> i got a question about samba
[04:15] <apokryphos> [Relic] : how fast do you type? ;-)
[04:15] <pajohn> is there anyway to access the samba shared folders in the shell?
[04:15] <[Relic] > very
[04:15] <pajohn> i.e. is there a /dev/ something that i can acess samba in?
[04:16] <apokryphos> [Relic] : I'll race you ;-)
[04:16] <apokryphos> j/k
[04:16] <[Relic] > it is the repeat rate when I need to back space or move around a little bit on a text where it get's really annoying
[04:16] <delltony> apokryphos, let me know if you find something out
[04:16] <delltony> i know dell admited to the 500s doing this
[04:17] <pajohn> i got a question about samba
[04:17] <pajohn> is there anyway to access the samba shared folders in the shell?
[04:17] <apokryphos> delltony: sure, but it's worth asking later if no luck now..
[04:17] <delltony> yeah
[04:17] <delltony> i have been trying to figure it out for a while
[04:17] <apokryphos> delltony: are things running slow? Perhaps the mechanism for temperature is mucked up..
[04:17] <delltony> yeah things are runninig very slow
[04:17] <_mathieu> hello
[04:17] <NamShub> finally found my problem (i think(
[04:18] <delltony> like mplayer lags
[04:18] <delltony> webpages lag
[04:18] <NamShub> eth0: forcedeth.c: subsystem: 01043:80a7 bound to 0000:00:05.0
[04:18] <NamShub> eth0: no IPv6 routers present
[04:18] <NamShub> NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out
[04:18] <delltony> but when i first turn it on everything is fast
[04:18] <NamShub> then I lose my network
[04:18] <delltony> but after say 30 mins of use
[04:18] <NamShub> anyclue how to fix?
[04:18] <apokryphos> [Relic] : kbdrate, perhaps
[04:18] <delltony> it downgrades and i assume its cause of cpu scaling
[04:19] <apokryphos> delltony: do you get this problem in other DE's?
[04:19] <apokryphos> ..or before you login to KDE?
[04:19] <bur[n] er> pajohn: u get an answer to your samba question?
[04:19] <pajohn> not yet
[04:19] <bur[n] er> pajohn: check out smbclient and/or mount -t smbfs
[04:20] <bur[n] er> smbclient is like browsing an ftp site almost
[04:20] <delltony> other de's sorry you lost me
[04:20] <bur[n] er> and mounting will let you play mp3s, videos, etc
[04:20] <apokryphos> Desktop Environments
[04:20] <pajohn> awesome i was looking for something like mounting samba shares
[04:20] <delltony> aww
[04:20] <pajohn> thanks alot
[04:20] <bur[n] er> pajohn: i think you can do it through konq too somehow
[04:20] <delltony> well yeah gnome same issue
[04:20] <bur[n] er> (though i'm new to kde)
[04:20] <delltony> flux same thinig
[04:21] <delltony> i would bet its a temp issue
[04:21] <delltony> cause the lappy does get hot
[04:21] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to get konqueror to display previews for .avi and .mpg and any video files?
[04:21] <delltony> but i don't know how to resolve it
[04:21] <pajohn> when i do sudo mount -t smbfs, where does it mount?
[04:21] <apokryphos> delltony: 75C sounds really extreme... I've never reached the 70s
[04:21] <delltony> only thing i can think of is to modprobe p4_clockmod
[04:21] <dell500> ya, 75 is kinda bad
[04:21] <delltony> yeah but do you have a centro processor or whatever it is called
[04:22] <delltony> i actually have a desktop laptop
[04:22] <delltony> if yu will
[04:22] <apokryphos> pretty typical Athlon 2600+
[04:22] <delltony> not certain if it has mobile technology or not
[04:22] <_david> where do i find synaptik at on this?
[04:22] <bur[n] er> pajohn: man smbmount
[04:23] <bur[n] er> pajohn: better yet, just run "smbmount" it will give an example
[04:23] <delltony> _david, you can always ina  shell type gksudo synaptic
[04:23] <apokryphos> It's not on Kubuntu by default, so you'd have to install it.
[04:23] <_david> ok..will that bring up the gui?
[04:23] <_david> oh
[04:24] <delltony> i personally use apt-get
[04:24] <_david> cus wine only gives directions for that
[04:24] <_david> not apt-get
[04:24] <_david> n/m
[04:24] <_david> i just found them
[04:25] <[Relic] > apokryphos  :  I tried the interface but that only let it down to 250, since this is was first attempt at using linux locally, I am not sure where anything to tamper with is
[04:27] <apokryphos> [Relic] : using the -r option to alter it didn't let it go lower?
[04:27] <apokryphos> You probably can't if it's not allowed there
[04:28] <apokryphos> (see man kbdrate)
[04:28] <[Relic] > no clue I don't have that drive plugged in right now :)
[04:30] <[Relic] > I'll try it tomorrow, I still need to finish a few things up and back up a lot before I try using it full time
[04:31] <apokryphos> ok, sure
[04:32] <[Relic] > 4 identical drives is helpful at times :)
[04:32] <[Relic] > unfortunately they don't make big cases any more so I can only use 1 of them at a time :(
[04:33] <spermie_411> my eyes kill me when i read on the internet ?>
[04:35] <delltony> dang dang dang dang dang
[04:36] <_david> what is the text editor in console?
[04:36] <delltony> nano
[04:37] <_david> k
[04:42] <_david> ok..i made my changes to the aptget sources list..how do i save it?
[04:42] <_david> ctrl and what?
[04:42] <delltony> ctrl o
[04:42] <delltony> then control x
[04:42] <delltony> but if you didn't sudo nano it will not let you write to it
[04:43] <_david> i did sudo
[04:44] <delltony> apokryphos, any other ideas on this overheat issue?
[04:44] <apokryphos> delltony: none, I'm afraid. 
[04:45] <ricosuave17> lol there is a kubuntu channel
[04:45] <seth_k> sure, why not?
[04:45] <ricosuave17> i didnt know kubuntu was so popular
[04:45] <[Relic] > either that or you are having one heck of a hallucination  :)
[04:46] <seth_k> he got into the magic mushrooms again :O
[04:46] <ricosuave17> YAY
[04:46] <apokryphos> delltony: I wouldn't really run my system at that heat though.. do you have your / and /home on seperate partitions?
[04:46] <seth_k> ricosuave17: sure, Kubuntu is quite popular
[04:46] <ricosuave17> but i want to get icewm
[04:47] <ricosuave17> why dont they make a ubuntu with icewm?
[04:48] <_david> ok..this sux
[04:48] <ricosuave17> i like shrooms
[04:48] <_david> i added the wine source line to my apt-get list
[04:48] <seth_k> what's up, _david?
[04:48] <_david> and it updated fine
[04:48] <seth_k> ok
[04:48] <_david> but when i went to install wine i got an error
[04:48] <_david> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:48] <_david> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:48] <_david> is only available from another source
[04:48] <_david> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[04:49] <_david> hehe
[04:49] <_david> and im using the info from wines site
[04:51] <seth_k> paste your sources.list on pastebin?
[04:51] <_david> whats the link pls
[04:51] <_david> ?
[04:52] <delltony> apokryphos, its my work pc so i do't have much choice
[04:52] <delltony> i8kctl how in the hell do you set it to kick the fans in at lower temps?
[04:53] <PenguinBoy> hey hey hey geeks, nerds, and Linux gurus
[04:53] <_david> http://pastebin.com/313002
[04:53] <_david> thats my sources.list
[04:54] <_david> the wine lines are at the bottom
[04:54] <ricosuave17> PenguinBoy: i feel offeneded
[04:54] <PenguinBoy> why????
[04:54] <ricosuave17> i dont like to hear im a geek. im a goth. lol
[04:54] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:54] <PenguinBoy> lol
[04:55] <PenguinBoy> hey hey hey geeks, nerds, Linux gurus, and goths!
[04:55] <ricosuave17> ok much better
[04:55] <_david> i just had a late 80's early 90's flashback
[04:55] <ricosuave17> lol
[04:55] <_david> rico suave
[04:55] <ricosuave17> _david u used to be goth?
[04:55] <ricosuave17> or punk
[04:56] <_david> niether
[04:56] <ricosuave17> oh
[04:56] <_david> i was grunge
[04:56] <ricosuave17> how old u r ?
[04:56] <_david> 26
[04:56] <ricosuave17> grunge cool
[04:56] <ricosuave17> cool
[04:56] <ricosuave17> man im a poser goth
[04:56] <ricosuave17> i dont even look goth
[04:57] <_david> grunge was awesome back in school..i was friends with freaks, geeks, jocks, band nerds...
[04:57] <_david> hehe
[04:57] <_david> my wife is a band nerd
[04:57] <_david> and those chicks are freeky
[04:57] <ricosuave17> lol
[04:57] <ricosuave17> that so cool
[04:57] <ricosuave17> what is grunge exactly?
[04:58] <_david> ehh...ever seen what kurt cobain always wore?
[04:58] <ricosuave17> umm kind of
[04:58] <_david> well..my mom calls it looking like a bum
[04:58] <ricosuave17> lol. cool then
[04:59] <ricosuave17> i dont think there are any more grunge dudes left
[04:59] <_david> seth_k: did you look at the sources.list?
[04:59] <crimsun> meaning that none of them still wear grunge?
[04:59] <crimsun> I dunno.
[04:59] <_david> there are some left..but we're all old now
[04:59] <_david> heh
[04:59] <ricosuave17> too bad.
[04:59] <crimsun> "old" heh
[04:59] <ricosuave17> waht do i need to be grunge?
[05:00] <seth_k> _david: lol, they're all commented!
[05:00] <seth_k> _david: sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment all the # lines (not the ## lines)
[05:00] <_david> seth_k:ok?
[05:00] <_david> ok.
[05:00] <_david> hold on
[05:00] <ricosuave17> since there are no grunge left ill be one to restore the old grunges
[05:01] <seth_k> _david: then another sudo apt-get update and you're back in business.
[05:01] <_david> Malformed line 29 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist
[05:01] <_david> thats the first wine line
[05:02] <delltony> apokryphos, i see something that might not be so great my cpu is always running at performance and its not scaling
[05:02] <seth_k> oh right, I didn't look at those
[05:02] <seth_k> they should be:
[05:02] <delltony> its cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
[05:02] <delltony> 2800000
[05:02] <delltony> delltony@bubbabox:~$
[05:03] <delltony> gonna try to change it
[05:03] <seth_k> deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[05:03] <seth_k> deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ source/
[05:03] <seth_k> notice the space in between apt/ and the last word
[05:05] <_david> ok
[05:05] <_david> y the spaceeeee?
[05:05] <_david> none of the others had it
[05:05] <seth_k> it's special
[05:06] <_david> wow..just like me
[05:06] <seth_k> how's that for a good answer :P
[05:06] <_david> lol
[05:06] <_david> installign now
[05:06] <_david> thnx for the help
[05:06] <_david> heh..im still runnign this from vmware
[05:06] <_david> i need to install it
[05:07] <_david> is thier an easy way to mount ntfs?
[05:08] <seth_k> sure
[05:08] <seth_k> manually, or automatically?
[05:08] <_david> automatically
[05:08] <ricosuave17> iceubuntu?
[05:08] <crimsun> you'd have to put the entry in fstab
[05:08] <seth_k> okay, first we'll make the directory
[05:09] <seth_k> in a terminal: sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[05:09] <seth_k> (adjust windows to taste, /mnt/whatever)
[05:09] <_david> is it wise to do this while wine is installing?
[05:09] <seth_k> sure, that's fine
[05:09] <_david> k..lemme open another console
[05:09] <seth_k> or a new tab
[05:10] <seth_k> in your current console
[05:10] <seth_k> that's more fun and earns you Geek Points
[05:10] <_david> hey.cool
[05:11] <_david> ok..dir made
[05:11] <_david> but theres like 3 drives ill want access to
[05:11] <delltony> cool apokryphos i figured out how to scale this thing down
[05:12] <_david> so do i need to break it down into windows/1 , 2, 3?
[05:12] <seth_k> okay, make 2 more directories then
[05:12] <seth_k> no, the directories need to be empty
[05:12] <seth_k> so don't put /1 /2 /3 inside
[05:12] <apokryphos> delltony: nice!!
[05:12] <seth_k> so sudo mkdir /mnt/os && sudo mkdir /mnt/data && sudo mkdir /mnt/progs or something
[05:12] <delltony> it was set t run at 2.8 always
[05:13] <delltony> but i scaled it down to 1.4
[05:13] <apokryphos> cool stuff
[05:13] <apokryphos> how'd you do it?
[05:13] <_david> ok..so how do i rename that windows dir i made?
[05:13] <_david> to windows1
[05:13] <_david> ok
[05:14] <seth_k> sudo mv /mnt/windows /mnt/windows1
[05:14] <delltony> type type cat /sys/devices/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scal (hit tab key)  
[05:14] <_david> k..dirs made
[05:14] <delltony> and it will shw yo the current cpu frequency
[05:14] <seth_k> okay, next step is: kdesu kwrite /etc/fstab
[05:15] <seth_k> and you need three lines like so:
[05:15] <delltony> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
[05:15] <delltony> this will show you the frequencies your cpu can run at in kilohertz
[05:15] <seth_k>  /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows  ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222 0       0
[05:16] <seth_k> replace the first part with the location of the partition
[05:16] <seth_k> and the second part with your directory
[05:16] <delltony> su
[05:16] <delltony> enter your root password
[05:16] <delltony> echo -n "userspace" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[05:16] <delltony> that replaces performance with userspace which basically is a manual mode of control
[05:16] <_david> ok.how can i found out what is where tho?
[05:16] <_david> like my audio partition
[05:16] <delltony> echo -n "somefrequency" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed
[05:16] <delltony> I
[05:17] <_david> its on drive 2..but i dont know what partition
[05:17] <delltony> then if it cools down i can raise it backk up
[05:17] <_david> just mount them till i find it?
[05:17] <seth_k> no
[05:17] <seth_k> open a third terminal tab
[05:17] <seth_k> and do sudo fdisk -l
[05:17] <seth_k> that's the letter l
[05:17] <_david> k
[05:18] <_david> wait seth_k
[05:18] <_david> im dumb
[05:18] <_david> my audio drive wont be seen
[05:18] <_david> hehe
[05:18] <_david> im using the vmware
[05:18] <seth_k> heh
[05:18] <seth_k> well you'll know for next time
[05:19] <_david> someone needs to hit me with a big freakin stick
[05:19] <_david> yea..thnx
[05:19] <_david> now..i gotta install onto a laptop
[05:19] <_david> then i install onto my pc
[05:19] <_david> hope my wireless cardsd are supported
[05:31] <kalenedrael> do you know what chipset is in it?
[05:44] <newbie> is there a way to view quick time movies on linux if they are embeded in webpage
[05:51] <_eric> wich use, karamba or superkaramba?
[05:51] <Ghetek> windows fonts in linux?
[05:52] <_eric> mstrcorefonts
[05:52] <Ghetek> k
[05:52] <_eric> mstt
[05:52] <Ghetek> will this let me dl and install fonts from online
[05:52] <Ghetek> non standard ones
[05:57] <delltony> _eric, question does that font package effect firefox fonts too? as in html coded fonts ?
[06:30] <eclub09> jakarta
[06:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> damn it's dead in here >.<
[06:45] <bur[n] er> it's hot out
[07:08] <jeanluc> Hola amigos
[07:08] <ricosuave17> hola
[07:08] <jeanluc> Como estas?
[07:08] <ricosuave17> bien bien y tu
[07:08] <jeanluc> Yo tengo un pregunda
[07:08] <ricosuave17> cual
[07:08] <jeanluc> bien
[07:08] <jeanluc> lol
[07:09] <jeanluc> I don't speak spanish
[07:09] <ricosuave17> lol to bad
[07:09] <jeanluc> :p
[07:10] <shogouki> jeanluc: do you learn a foreign language in your studies in texas ?
[07:11] <jeanluc> not till ninth grade
[07:11] <jeanluc> im going in to 8th
[07:12] <jeanluc> but last year I took a spanish class at school but learned nothing due to the lack of teaching skillz the teacher had
[07:32] <eclub09> VISIT WWW.tokocdnet.tk
[07:42] <_john> hey guys i have a question
[07:43] <arcanistherogue> i accidentally enabled this "Kasbar" panel, and i cant turn it off
[07:45] <arcanistherogue> any help with this?
[07:47] <arcanistherogue> ;_;
[07:47] <arcanistherogue> hello
[08:48] <Computer__Guru> hi ray
[08:48] <ray> hey there thanks
[08:48] <Computer__Guru> no problem
[08:48] <Computer__Guru> what's up?
[08:49] <ray> i find kubuntu works better than gnome
[08:49] <ray> notmuch u?
[10:05] <yaman> hello. i've got a dell inspiron laptop and for some reason the touchpad is not recognized as a synaptics device, but instead in /proc/bus/input/devices its listed as a "PS/2 Generic Mouse"
[11:43] <paines> hi
[11:50] <paines> i am experiencing some strange problems with kubuntu amd64 when frequency scaling is turned on
[11:50] <paines> then amarok is crashing
[11:50] <paines> sometimes x
[11:50] <paines> te system behave strange at all
[12:11] <ilba7r> hi i have a logitech quickcam express that used to work. After reinstalling linux it was not recognized any ideas how to install a driver for it
[12:33] <ilba7r>  if i install from source using apt-get install do i have to compile the package by untaring then make make install? or is it automatically done
[12:34] <paines_> ilba7r, what are you tring to do ?
[12:34] <ilba7r> i am trying to install a driver for my web cam
[12:35] <ilba7r> i found the package for it
[12:35] <ilba7r> its qc-usb-source
[12:36] <paines_> then unpack it and compile it and install it
[12:36] <ilba7r> although it is in the repso
[12:37] <ilba7r> unpacking is not done automatically then
[12:37] <paines_> ahh
[12:37] <paines_> okay
[12:37] <paines_> i thought you get it from net somewhere
[12:37] <ilba7r> no
[12:38] <Arsenio_Lupin> hi all
[12:38] <ilba7r> it is in the repos. so do i need to unpack and install it
[12:38] <paines_> yes
[12:38] <Arsenio_Lupin> someone else has problem with kmail and kaddressbook?
[12:39] <paines_> no, not using kaddressbook
[12:39] <paines_> just kmail
[12:40] <ilba7r> thanx paines
[12:42] <paines_> np
[01:59] <apokryphos> nikkia: heh, someone re-edited that Wiki page after I did
[01:59] <apokryphos> nikkia: edited it out again, only to find someone put it back in...again! Posting on the /talk page now -- can't wait to see their justification.
[02:29] <hettar> hello
[02:30] <uniq> hi.
[02:31] <hettar> I just installed kubuntu to give it a try (my debian install died) and I wanted to add the universe repository. where do I find the details for this ?
[02:32] <fromoze> just edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:32] <apokryphos> !repositories
[02:32] <ubotu> well, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:32] <fromoze> hettar: do you now how to do it, no? The sources are there, jut commented
[02:33] <hettar> In know how to add sources. I was just trying to find what the source was. I should have checked the file first.
[02:33] <hettar> thanks
[02:35] <hettar> seems quite nice so far
[02:37] <apokryphos> :)
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi nikkia
[02:41] <nikkia> hi Kamping_Kaiser
[02:42] <nikkia> its too hot, again :/
[02:42] <wellso> hi ppl
[02:42] <wellso> oh yes m8
[02:42] <wellso> too hot to be sitting at a pc
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> to hot?
[02:43] <wellso> hows every1 doing
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser>  not bad. 
[02:44] <shogouki> all is mental
[02:45] <shogouki> what is missing in konq ?
[02:46] <apokryphos> shogouki: the convenient/clean/out-of-the-way firefox search
[02:46] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: 31C is too hot
[02:46] <nikkia> far too hot
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> where do you live?
[02:46] <shogouki> apokryphos: again i dont see what is missing in kq ?
[02:47] <cong> hi, i have a kubuntu related question, can smn help me?
[02:47] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: and i say that as someone that has lived in california and north carolina...
[02:47] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: just north of london
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok :) a pom
[02:47] <apokryphos> shogouki: I just told you; what's the problem? 
[02:47] <shogouki> apokryphos: i think its you but he :)
[02:48] <apokryphos> shogouki: Usability-wise, the firefox search is evidently better. I'll be the first to proclaim the glories of Konqi, but that doesn't mean we should be blind to its faults
[02:48] <apokryphos> Use of space is one of them
[02:48] <cong> i just switched to kubuntu via apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. Firefox is yet very much gnomish: it uses the gtk widgets, and, more important, the gnome font settings. They are weird (too small) in kubuntu. Any ideas how to fix that?
[02:49] <shogouki> apokryphos: im not a kq fanatic, i wrote extensions for firefox :p
[02:49] <apokryphos> shogouki: to speak about the search, the Konqueror one takes up a large amount of the webpage, gets stuck in the way, hides information, is reasonably bulky... flaws seem obvious.
[02:49] <apokryphos> Others are the effective use of space
[02:53] <nikkia> cong, the only thing you can really do is switch gnome to a theme thats close to your kde theme, gtk-engines-qtpixmap should in theory make it better, but i find it just makes gtk apps unusable, so you just have to live with the UI difference with firefox until someone finishes porting firefox to qt
[02:54] <apokryphos> nikkia: the gtk2-engines-gtk-qt package works really well for me; no complaints there..
[02:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: is that in breezy ? cos i can't see it in hoary
[02:54] <cong> nikkia: thx, thats what i was afraid of :(
[02:54] <apokryphos> nikkia: Universe, I think
[02:54] <apokryphos> !find gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[02:54] <ubotu> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt: (Makes your GTK 2 apps look like Qt ones), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 0.60-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 71 kB, Installed size: 296 kB
[02:55] <nikkia> oh, there it is, wonder why i didnt' find it when i looked for it earlier
[02:55] <nikkia> that said, i'm using uk.archives, and its been very flakey today
[02:55] <nikkia> uk.archive, even
[02:55] <apokryphos> nikkia: the plain archive.ubuntu.com ones are in London (apparently), so I use those
[02:55] <apokryphos> Speed is pretty reasonable; generally over 500Kb/s for me
[02:56] <nikkia> same IPs
[02:56] <nikkia> so if uk.archive is being flakey, so is archive :)
[02:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: i've had it rejecting connections randomly today
[02:56] <apokryphos> oh, heh
[02:56] <apokryphos> :(
[02:56] <nikkia> odd thing is, it'll do it on some probes, but not all of them
[02:57] <nikkia> so if you do the equivalent of apt-get update, some of your package lists gets toasted, others are fine
[02:57] <apokryphos> yikes, 27.3KB/s ... yes, very slow
[02:57] <apokryphos> ok, 50 now, but still..
[02:57] <nikkia> ah, my neighbour with the mysterious breasts is going out again
[02:58] <apokryphos> hahaha
[02:58] <apokryphos> follow her! 
[02:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: is a 'the mystery of britney's breasts' situation
[02:58] <nikkia> somedays she's flat, other days, not
[02:58] <nikkia> very odd
[02:58] <apokryphos> nikkia: wonder-bras are just so wonderous
[02:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: she rarely wears a bra, from what i can see
[02:59] <apokryphos> :|
[02:59] <nikkia> i have very strange neighbours in general, tho
[02:59] <apokryphos> Will just have to go down in the book of another of life's unsolved mysteries
[02:59] <nikkia> i think one of them is under witness protection, tbh
[03:00] <jevv> i wonder, does Firefox look gnomisch if ones installs Kubuntu directly? (and not upgrade a standard ubuntu to kubuntu)
[03:00] <nikkia> she spends most of the day looking very nervous by the door, and then very late at night, some guy keeps turning up for a few minutes at a time
[03:00] <apokryphos> Not much interaction with neighbours here; it's too close to the center. In North London where we lived we knew everyone
[03:00] <apokryphos> jevv: if you get the gtk engines package, then gtk apps in Kubuntu should look bearable
[03:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: oh, no interaction here, but i see everything from my home-office space :)
[03:01] <nikkia> apokryphos: its like being in 'rear window' but without the broken leg, and without the killing
[03:01] <apokryphos> nikkia: admittedly, in our old house we had a tree-house and I used to spy on people from there! Be aware! I think I was around 11 :P
[03:02] <apokryphos> Can't say I noticed many interesting things though; nearly burnt the tree-house with candles once =)
[03:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: i wouldn't say i spy, i just have my desk facing the window, and i see everything that happens on the busy street i live on
[03:02] <jevv> apokryphos: just checked, but they dont work for me neither.... everything as it was....
[03:02] <apokryphos> nikkia: watch out, you may be called in to give evidence one day :P
[03:03] <apokryphos> jevv: are you sure you got the appropriate engine package? Which one did you get? ANd... did you restart the gtk apps first?
[03:03] <nikkia> apokryphos: best entertainment so far, was 2 weekends ago, when some high-as-a-kite teenage girl was stripping in the middle of the road, and running around squealing like a seagull
[03:03] <apokryphos> (and select the respective option from kcontrol, I should add
[03:03] <apokryphos> nikkia: hahaha. Far more interesting than our area. Where did you say you lived again? ;-)
[03:03] <jevv> i did apt-get  install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt ... and yes I restzared firefox
[03:04] <apokryphos> jevv: perhaps try restarting KDE? Not sure why that worked for some...
[03:04] <nikkia> apokryphos: hertfordshire
[03:04] <apokryphos> ah yes
[03:04] <jevv> i will, thanks. BTW, how is it in London now? everything back to normal? 
[03:04] <martinjh99> Has anyone else come across this problem with kubuntu-default-settings?  When KDE is first installed in makes windows open in a new tab - I go into the settings for konqi and chage it to open in a new window instead and nothing happens.
[03:04] <apokryphos> nikkia: was she doing it for a joke or was her mental sanity in question?
[03:04] <nikkia> jevv, i think you have to change the settings in gnome-theme-manager *shrug*
[03:04] <apokryphos> jevv: pretty much, apart from the news being devoured still with the issue :)
[03:05] <jevv> nikkia: will try after logout, thx.
[03:05] <apokryphos> martinjh99: I prefer it that way, to tell you the truth. Though it should change if you change it there, hm...
[03:05] <nikkia> apokryphos: given that it was p'ing down, i don't think it was a joke, she spent about 2 hours doing it, that and running back and forth between two streets, screaming, and apparently looking for something in the bushes
[03:05] <nikkia> apokryphos: looked a lot like a trip gone bad
[03:05] <apokryphos> nikkia: haha. Sounds a lot like a mysterious fiction novel; your area sounds great.
[03:06] <martinjh99> Apok> I prefer it the other way myself.  I'm thinking it is a bug with kubuntu-default-settings.  I have to use GDM instead of KDM as KDM depends on kubuntu-default-settings...  I wouldn't use GDM if that was fixed.
[03:07] <apokryphos> martinjh99: ah yes, that'll be because of the customized KDM theme
[03:08] <martinjh99> So its not a bug for KDM to depend of kubuntu-defauklt-settings then?
[03:08] <apokryphos> martinjh99: not really, no
[03:09] <apokryphos> martinjh99: erm, I change it and it works...
[03:09] <apokryphos> martinjh99: did you alter the things in "Advanced Settings" too?
[03:09] <martinjh99> Where are you changing it??
[03:10] <apokryphos> martinjh99: Settings Configure Konqueror -> Web Behaviour, second section
[03:10] <apokryphos> Konq handbook is good for this stuff, too :)
[03:10] <martinjh99> Im changing it in Settings/Config Konq/Behaviour/Misc Options/Open Folders in seperate windows
[03:11] <apokryphos> martinjh99: that will only change it for File Manager Mode, I think, since it refers to folders
[03:11] <martinjh99> Thats the problem in the file manager - It opens all windows in tabs where I want them to open in new windows instead.
[03:12] <apokryphos> martinjh99: i.e. when you middle-click?
[03:12] <martinjh99> Nope when I do it from the menu or any folder at all.
[03:13] <apokryphos> martinjh99: what do you mean? When you select from the menu you can click on "Open in New Window", are you saying it opens it in new tabs there/
[03:14] <apokryphos> Ok, opening folders in new windows is related to web behaviour; changing those settings I mentioned makes folders open in new windows
[03:14] <apokryphos> (i.e. if you middle-click)
[03:14] <apokryphos> Nevertheless, regardless of settings, if you right-click -> open in new window it should *always* open in a new window; is that not the case?
[03:14] <martinjh99> Not tried there - Its the the system special menu that it opens in tabs as well as clicking on folders
[03:14] <martinjh99> Not tried that as I want to open with a standard left click.
[03:15] <apokryphos> martinjh99: ohh, you want *all* folders to open in a new window?
[03:15] <apokryphos> The default isn't to open in a new tab, it's to open in the current window....
[03:15] <martinjh99> Ahhh...  How would I go about changing that then...?
[03:15] <martinjh99> ;)
[03:15] <apokryphos> Configure -> Settings -> Behaviour -> Open in seperate window will do it then
[03:16] <apokryphos> *But* you also have to change the things under Web Behaviour
[03:16] <apokryphos> as they're set to override anything opening in a new window
[03:17] <martinjh99> Right got it now I think...  Will have to install kubuntu-default-settings and see what happens...
[03:17] <apokryphos> :)
[03:18] <martinjh99> Thanks for the help...  Going to logout and use my test user so just in case!!
[03:18] <apokryphos> Ok, no problem, see ya.
[03:22] <martinjh99> apok> That doesn't seem to have worked!  In web behaviour I changed Open links in new tab to deselected and left the advanced options alone - Also changed the Open folders in seperate windows to selected...
[03:23] <martinjh99> Its still opening in tabs instead of new windows.
[03:23] <apokryphos> martinjh99: no, you should change the advanced options...
[03:23] <apokryphos> Do you really mean tabs or "in current window"?
[03:23] <martinjh99> In tabs in current window
[03:24] <apokryphos> so a new tab physically opens up?
[03:24] <martinjh99> Yup 
[03:24] <apokryphos> Ok, that's fine. Changed the advanced options and retry
[03:24] <martinjh99> Have done - Still does it in tabs...
[03:25] <apokryphos> martinjh99: well, you evidently must not be doing something, lemme go through again :)
[03:25] <martinjh99> Go on then... ;)
[03:26] <martinjh99> I need to sort out the problem anyway...
[03:26] <apokryphos> (i) Under behaviour, deselct "Open folders in seperate windows; Under Web Behaviour, deselect (i) Open links in new tab instead of new window; under Advanced Options, (ii) deselct Open popus in new tab... (iii) open as tab in....
[03:27] <apokryphos> the last one should be deselect "Open as tab in existing Konqueror when URL is called externally"
[03:27] <apokryphos> and just make sure to apply the settings
[03:28] <martinjh99> Sorted! :)
[03:28] <apokryphos> cool! =)
[03:29] <martinjh99> Cheers for that mate!  Like I said needed to be sorted out.
[03:29] <apokryphos> yeah, no probs
[03:30] <martinjh99> :) I did think that was a bug for quite a while...  Good job I finally sorted it out!!  Now to get rid of GDM...  IS there a way of using KDM unthemed?
[03:31] <apokryphos> martinjh99: yeah, I think if you alter the kderc file
[03:32] <martinjh99> Thats what I thought - Have to google it...  I'm someone else has had the same thought!
[03:32] <martinjh99> Cheers - Thanks for the help.
[03:33] <apokryphos> well, he only had to delete one line ;-)
[03:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: and if he'd read the file, and seen the 'UseTheme=true', it might have been obvious :)
[03:42] <apokryphos> nikkia: I've seen that before but, hmm, I don't actually have that; neither in my /etc/ nor in my ~ one
[03:43] <nikkia> strange
[03:44] <apokryphos> nikkia: I figure removing i.e. prefixes=/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/ would remove it
[03:49] <apokryphos> new "This Month in SVN" released -- http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/svn-features/14-07-05.html cool stuff
[03:50] <JohnFlux> hey all
[03:50] <JohnFlux> can I use debian openoffice2 packages in kubuntu?
[03:50] <apokryphos> JohnFlux: yeah, they're in the repositories I believe
[03:50] <apokryphos> (haggai, one of the Kubuntu devs, works on the OOo packs for Debian/[K] ubuntu I believe)
[03:51] <JohnFlux> apokryphos: the ones in kubuntu are 1.9.79.2 but the ones in debian are 1.9.108
[03:51] <JohnFlux> just wondering if I can use the debian ones directly
[03:51] <JohnFlux> saves me downloading 100MB also
[03:52] <nikkia> hmmm
[03:52] <nikkia> i wonder if my occasional mouse-weirdness could be caused noise on the unused PS/2 port
[03:52] <JohnFlux> i'm adventerous.  what's the worst that can happen :-)
[03:52] <JohnFlux> nikkia: no.
[03:52] <apokryphos> JohnFlux: hm, probably - if you're adventurous, then sure
[03:52] <JohnFlux> nikkia: do cat /dev/psaux  and don't move the mouse, and see if you get data :)
[03:53] <nikkia> JohnFlux: thing is, it only happens when i move the mouse
[03:53] <nikkia> occasionally, like once or twice every 10 minutes, it'll just fling the pointer to the other side of the screen
[03:54] <nikkia> i don't think its optical jitter, because that would have a smaller effect, what with mice being relative positioning
[03:57] <JohnFlux> nikkia: try a different mouse
[03:57] <JohnFlux> nikkia: go to work /uni and swap the mice ;)
[03:57] <nikkia> yeah, great idea, swap my $60 logitech, for the $2 dell my work PC has :/
[03:58] <JohnFlux> nikkia: don't swap then, steal :)
[03:58] <JohnFlux> just try it to elliminate the possibilities
[03:58] <JohnFlux> if you have no problems, you know that's the problem
[05:02] <jeanluc> Hello
[05:20] <jpatrick> Can someone help me install Skype?
[05:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, ok
[05:21] <jpatrick> I've downloaded the .deb package
[05:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. open up konsole and cd to the dir the deb is in
[05:22] <jpatrick> okay...
[05:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm not sure where konsole is in KDE, or where you saved it ;)
[05:23] <jpatrick> I'm there
[05:24] <Shuddertrix> just run 'sudo dpkg -i skype_1.1.0.20-1_i386.deb' when you're in the directory you downloaded it to.
[05:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> or skype*.deb
[05:26] <Shuddertrix> of course
[05:28] <jpatrick> that was quick
[06:06] <martinjh99> Got another problem...  Whatever I print its printing too high on the page...  /etc/papersize is a4 which I want to be the default.  
[06:07] <d> Hi!
[06:08] <jpatrick> hey
[06:09] <d> Any chance of seeing ktorrent and lmms (the linux multimedia system - a fruityloops alike for KDE!) in breezy??
[06:09] <d> Same goes for gunroar - one of the best linux games I've played!??
[06:11] <d> Where can i find the 'breezy package requests' page/address/maintainer??
[06:11] <Riddell> d: fancy packaging them for us?
[06:12] <d> riddell: can't be that hard can it? I've never made any .debs before
[06:12] <Riddell> d: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSuggestedPackages
[06:12] <Riddell> d: packaging is pretty fiddly stuff, but good to learn https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide
[06:13] <Fraeon> Damn.
[06:13] <apokryphos> Riddell: [nag]  Any idea on PyKDE stuff? [/nag]  :)
[06:13] <Riddell> apokryphos: what's the question?
[06:13] <Fraeon> Maybe there's no need for a dual boot after all
[06:13] <apokryphos> Riddell: packages have been broken since... erm, first time I used it I guess
[06:14] <apokryphos> d: easy to make a .deb, but I haven't always found it easy to eliminate all the errors and other things :P
[06:14] <d> fraeon- good news eh? I know a lot of people who wouldn't switch to Linux coz there was no fruityloops replacement - not any more!
[06:14] <nikkia> could the keyboard completion in it be any worse? you type /u and it expands to /usr, fair enough, then b and it expands to /usr/bin/ good so far, now you press 'bee' and it expands to beep-media-player, great! hit enter '/u/b/bee not found'
[06:14] <buz> wtf is fruityloops
[06:14] <buz> sounds like some bad cereals
[06:15] <nikkia> buz, an audio composition thing
[06:15] <aseigo> only the best breakfast cereal known to man
[06:15] <apokryphos> nikkia: hahaha, no way!
[06:15] <buz> mhh i could care less for that ;)
[06:15] <buz> nikkia: i got annoyed at the gtk widgets a lot of time
[06:15] <nikkia> apok, yeah, its irritating, you HAVE to select the expanded version from the drop-down window, otherwise it ignores all the expanded paths :/
[06:15] <apokryphos> nikkia: and ubotu is out just when we need to save a quote ;-)
[06:15] <buz> i just hope they really build that QT firefox
[06:16] <buz> one less gtk app
[06:16] <apokryphos> buz: it's not too bad with the engine, really! 
[06:16] <buz> remains thunderbird
[06:16] <d> fraeon: it's only 0.1beta at the mo so don't expect too much, but the basics seem to be working
[06:16] <Riddell> apokryphos: python2.4-kde3 works ok for me
[06:16] <buz> konqueror's engine aint so bad
[06:16] <buz> the gui sucks
[06:17] <apokryphos> Riddell: breezy?
[06:17] <d> Is support for .ace files in ark yet?
[06:17] <Riddell> apokryphos: yes
[06:17] <apokryphos> Ah, thought so
[06:17] <apokryphos> only 2.3 here, and that's been broken forever
[06:17] <apokryphos> Riddell: found a way around that XF86 problem by the way
[06:18] <apokryphos> Riddell: temporarily purge nvidia-glx to let it compile. It was down to conflicting Xorg/nvidia packages
[06:18] <martinjh99> Got another problem...  Whatever I print its printing too high on the page...  /etc/papersize is a4 which I want to be the default.  
[06:18] <apokryphos> (which I knew, but didn't think of removing nividia-glx package)
[06:21] <Riddell> pv_: at debconf?
[06:22] <martinjh99> Riddell Thanks for putting all the hard work into packaging and testing KDE plus whatever else you do... ;)
[06:22] <d> is there a wip page for kde 3.5?
[06:23] <Riddell> d: it's top secret  http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.5-features.html
[06:23] <Riddell> martinjh99: you're welcome :)
[06:24] <martinjh99> :)  I wasn't going to try Ubuntu as I am not keen on Gnome...  Until Kubuntu came along that is... 
[06:24] <pv_> Riddell, no but in the vicinity :)
[06:25] <d> riddell: thanks! I presume thats pretty up to date- looks like I'll be waiting a while longer yet for .ace support in ark
[06:26] <apokryphos> anyone: what's Kapture?
[06:26] <buz> mhh sounds like apt for kde ?
[06:26] <martinjh99> buz> Isnt that Synaptic even though its gtk...?
[06:26] <Riddell> apokryphos: an apt package manger for KDE in development
[06:26] <apokryphos> As far as I gather... any idea how advanced it is?
[06:27] <apokryphos> Riddell: you think it will take off?
[06:27] <martinjh99> Riddell> Cool would be nice to use one instead of Synaptic...  At this rate the only gtk things I'd be using is Gimp and Firefox/Thunderbird!
[06:27] <Riddell> apokryphos: no comment at this time...
[06:27] <Riddell> martinjh99: try krita
[06:28] <apokryphos> martinjh99: other available ones at the mo are KPackage and Kynaptic
[06:28] <chris12349> is there a deb for krita?
[06:28] <apokryphos> chris12349: it's in repositories
[06:29] <apokryphos> packaged with koffice 1.4
[06:29] <chris12349> apokryphos: oops, I'm not sure how I missed that thanks
[06:30] <martinjh99> Is there a deb repo with 1.4 in??  Its pulling 1.3 from Universe at the moment...
[06:30] <apokryphos> martinjh99: /topic
[06:32] <martinjh99> Got it thanks.
[06:32] <d> apok/martin: las time I tried kpackage it didn't work reliably and kynaptic only had a small fraction of the features of synaptic - which just works (tm)
[06:32] <apokryphos> d: kpackage works pretty fine now; it's not the best app for the job, admittedly; Kynaptic is pretty embryonic, yes
[06:33] <d> apk: maybe i'll give kpackage another go
[06:33] <Fraeon> I found kynaptic's interface was sufficient for what I wanted to do with it...which was installing and uninstalling apps
[06:35] <martinjh99> So whose looking forward to KDE4 then...?
[06:36] <Fraeon> So the problem I kept having with kynaptic is solved? (mainly the fact that installing huge amounts of apps will bog the thing down and sometimes the apps weren't installed at all)
[06:38] <chris12349> I just installed Krita.... very nice
[06:38] <nikkia> grrrrrrr
[06:38] <Master-Yoda> hi
[06:39] <martinjh99> Hi
[06:43] <dejavu> hi all
[06:45] <jpowers> KNewStuff is a really great idea.
[06:46] <TestMAD> hi
[06:47] <TestMAD> apokryphos..are you around?
[06:47] <apokryphos> yo
[06:47] <TestMAD> hi
[06:47] <TestMAD> good morning
[06:47] <TestMAD> heh
[06:48] <TestMAD> i installed some games with kynaptic off of the universe
[06:48] <OculusAquilae> hi 
[06:48] <TestMAD> and i cant find them
[06:48] <OculusAquilae> ALT+F2 nameofgame ?
[06:49] <Fraeon> apt-get install hl2-warez
[06:49] <OculusAquilae> or do you need them into the kmenu? TestMAD
[06:49] <TestMAD> i would like them in a menu
[06:49] <OculusAquilae> have you restarted kde?
[06:49] <TestMAD> no
[06:49] <OculusAquilae> try it
[06:50] <TestMAD> how?
[06:50] <TestMAD> noob here
[06:50] <OculusAquilae> on the K-Button, then "log out" or something like that and then comes a dialog where you must press "log out" again
[06:50] <OculusAquilae> (translated from german)
[06:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: any idea what might provide the command 'fluid' ?
[06:51] <nikkia> i suspect its FLTK, but can't see a package that would provide it, and i have libfltk1.1-dev installed
[06:52] <nikkia> doh, seperate package 'fluid'
[06:52] <apokryphos> nikkia: :)
[06:54] <nikkia> (yet fftw2-dev was installed along with fftw2 *shrug*)
[07:11] <TestMAD> y ou know what..kubuntu is really nice and all..but i dont think its for me right now
[07:11] <TestMAD> not until wine gets photoshop werkin
[07:11] <dejavu> hi all
[07:11] <TestMAD> im still tied to too many windows apps
[07:11] <dejavu> anyone can help me pls to install the package named 'kernel-source'?
[07:12] <seth_k> wine works with photoshop
[07:12] <dejavu> im using kubuntu
[07:12] <seth_k> i've seen it done
[07:12] <TestMAD> not cs2
[07:12] <apokryphos> nikkia: what with apt would display what repo a package comes from? Looked over --help a couple time..
[07:12] <gdh> dejavu: 'kernel-source' is a Debian package name.. use 'linux-source' :)
[07:12] <apokryphos> TestMAD: use GIMP
[07:12] <chris12349> photoshop 7 is the highest I've gotten to work
[07:12] <seth_k> no, not cs2. 7 for sure and I think CS was half-working
[07:12] <dejavu> i've done 'apt-get install kernel-source' but doesnt works :(
[07:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: dunno
[07:12] <gdh> linux-source-2.6.11 or linux-source-2.6.10
[07:12] <dejavu> gdh: tnx bro, ill try 1st ;)
[07:12] <apokryphos> gah. Must be possible... ubotu does it
[07:12] <gdh> you have to specify the version :)
[07:13] <chris12349> gimp is cool but its no match for CS 
[07:13] <TestMAD> gimp..nah..the plugins are no where near the qualtiy of cs2's commercial plugins
[07:14] <TestMAD> like i said tho..its nice and all but i dont think im cut out for learning a new os anyways
[07:14] <TestMAD> maybe if i were younger
[07:14] <TestMAD> too old and set in my ways
[07:14] <jpatrick> I started Linux 3 days ago
[07:14] <TestMAD> lol
[07:14] <dejavu> gdh: its works, n now downloading the 'linux-source'
[07:15] <gdh> yay =)
[07:15] <TestMAD> plus with 2 kids always hovering around me..its hard to get anything done
[07:15] <dejavu> btw, can i get from my kubuntu CD?
[07:15] <jpatrick> can you get what?
[07:16] <dejavu> so i dont need to download it
[07:16] <apokryphos> dejavu: yes, you have to add the sources in your sources.list
[07:16] <TestMAD> linuxs' filesystem isnt what im used to either
[07:16] <dejavu> jpatrick: get the package 'linux-source'
[07:16] <dejavu> im newbie in debian, i usually uses mandrake, redhat n suse
[07:17] <TestMAD> when i install something i expect it to be in a menu somehwere.
[07:17] <ricosuave17> hey all
[07:17] <jpatrick> hey
[07:17] <ricosuave17> dude. im using the newest version of both
[07:17] <dejavu> apokryphos: can u tell me how to do it?
[07:17] <apokryphos> TestMAD: it generally should be; if it isn't it's a bug
[07:17] <jpatrick> why do I need 'linux-source' right now?
[07:17] <dejavu> to add to the sources.list?
[07:17] <TestMAD> well.i installed 2 games from the universe..and neither one was in a menu anywhere
[07:17] <apokryphos> dejavu: did you delete it from your sources.list? I actually think it's CD specific, so I couldn't tell you it, hm..
[07:18] <TestMAD> one didnt even work
[07:18] <jpatrick> I'm lost :s
[07:18] <dejavu> apokryphos: i dont think so, i has just finished the installation of my kubuntu
[07:18] <apokryphos> TestMAD: what programs?
[07:18] <TestMAD> and i got wine installed and stuff..but when i installed a  win game..it wasnt put in a menu or anything
[07:18] <dejavu> and now wanna configure my webcam
[07:18] <dejavu> Z-Star webcam
[07:18] <TestMAD> nix  games were xpuyopuyo and xracer
[07:18] <apokryphos> dejavu: ok, cool. Could you www.pastebin.com your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[07:19] <apokryphos> TestMAD: yes, that won't ever be put into the menu..
[07:19] <dejavu> but seems that i need the kernel source for webcam driver compilation
[07:19] <apokryphos> TestMAD: wine works by creating a fake windows directory/c-drive etc
[07:19] <dejavu> apokryphos: ok, just a minute
[07:19] <nikkia> apokryphos: i had a horrible shock today
[07:19] <TestMAD> so where can i find the windows stuff i installed?
[07:19] <apokryphos> nikkia: do share 8)
[07:20] <apokryphos> TestMAD: ~/.wine/
[07:20] <nikkia> apokryphos: i went to price a rack mounted sampler to replace the one i left behind when i moved back from the US....
[07:20] <nikkia> and discovered the market is gone, there are *no* rack mounted samplers on the market anymore
[07:20] <chris12349> TestMAD: You might be better off dropping 40 bucks or whatever the current cost is for crossover office - it addes all your windows apps to the K-menu
[07:20] <TestMAD> heh
[07:20] <TestMAD> might as well pay for transgaming too
[07:20] <nikkia> apokryphos: a sampler, that is rack mounted :P
[07:21] <dejavu> apokryphos: done!
[07:21] <Fraeon> Had to use google imaage search to get an idea :>
[07:21] <ricosuave17> well apokryphos the version seems to be right
[07:21] <nikkia> its quite interesting how an entire industry can up and die in less than 2 years
[07:21] <Fraeon> -a
[07:21] <chris12349> TestMAD: I subscribed to transgaming for a while. I wanted to support those guys.  I probably will again in the future.  It would be nice not to have to dual boot
[07:22] <apokryphos> Fraeon: good thinking =)
[07:22] <apokryphos> nikkia: I see-- why not?
[07:22] <TestMAD> it sux tho that you gotta pay monthly for transgaming
[07:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: the software sampler industry has killed the rack mounted variety
[07:22] <apokryphos> dejavu: link?
[07:22] <apokryphos> nikkia: criminals 
[07:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: noone wants to drop $2000 on a hardware sampler when you can drop $1000-3000 on a rack mounted PC and run soft samplers as well as soft synths, that are just more flexible
[07:23] <Fraeon> Well, I realized not too long ago that there are virtually no places to develop your photos in anymore
[07:23] <chris12349> TestMAD: Well 5 bucks isn't that big of a deal to me and for all the work that they do I don't have a problem with it.  We get so much for free with this OS I don't have a problem with supporting a developer
[07:23] <dejavu> apokryphos: http://ww.pastebin.com/313331
[07:23] <ricosuave17> anyone else use super karamba?
[07:23] <apokryphos> dejavu: you have it there, no problem. Just sudo apt-get update
[07:24] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: what version though?
[07:24] <jpatrick> i use superkaramba
[07:24] <Fraeon> It's 90% digital these days
[07:24] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: latest liquid weather doesn't work with below 0.36
[07:24] <ricosuave17> how do i check the version of superkaramba and the version of liquid weather
[07:24] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: superkaramba --version
[07:24] <watto> Is there a way to load the kernel from the Kubuntu Live CD into ram to accelerate performance?
[07:25] <ricosuave17> to join the channel view, observe and be awed but don't ask general GNOME problems there. I thought by the name of the channel and given that you had like you mentioned this morning in #gnome on irc.freenode.net i.e. 5 years on Slackware and some time on RH, you sho
[07:25] <ricosuave17> ricosuave17 rajasun : are u fo real
[07:25] <ricosuave17> rajasun a hacker is - developer/programmer. As in kernel hacker e.g. Linus Torvalds. In case you are wondering I am Qo-noS on freenode. We chatted in #gnome on irc.freenode.net earlier.
[07:25] <ricosuave17> ricosuave17 yes. did u tell me to come here?
[07:25] <dejavu> apokryphos: sorry, but can u explain pls whats d meaning of "sudo apt-get update"?
[07:25] <ricosuave17> Qt: 3.3.3
[07:25] <ricosuave17> KDE: 3.4.0
[07:25] <ricosuave17> superkaramba: 0.35
[07:25] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: yup, upgrade your skaramba for it to work properly
[07:25] <apokryphos> dejavu: certainly :)
[07:25] <ricosuave17> ok were do i get the new .deb superkaramba
[07:26] <apokryphos> dejavu: APT is the package manager that debian-based systems use. 
[07:26] <apokryphos> dejavu: in command line, any line preceded with "sudo" performs the task with administrative permissions. To install/remove packages, you need root permissions.
[07:26] <Fraeon> I guess few care about getting their photos on paper these days. ;)
[07:26] <apokryphos> dejavu: though, I recommend using a graphical installer to start off with. From your menu, fire up kynaptic
[07:26] <dejavu> so, the meaning of "sudo apt-get update" is to update all the package that needs to be updated, cmiiw
[07:26] <ricosuave17> cause dude i got super-karamba off there website
[07:27] <apokryphos> dejavu: close, but not exactly. Installing w/ith apt on command line is done by "sudo apt-get install {somepackage}". sudo apt-get udpate is used to refresh the sources, from where it should get packages from
[07:27] <TestMAD> still cant find that wine dir
[07:28] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: do you have all the repositories enabled?
[07:28] <apokryphos> I have 0.36 but I can't remember if I compiled or apted for it
[07:28] <ricosuave17> yes that i know off
[07:28] <apokryphos> TestMAD: it's ~/.wine
[07:28] <ricosuave17> can u give me some more
[07:28] <dejavu> great apokryphos, nice to know u in this great channel
[07:28] <dejavu> ;)
[07:28] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: well, mine are http://giannaros.org/sources.list
[07:28] <apokryphos> dejavu: =)
[07:29] <jpatrick> I have backports enabled
[07:29] <ricosuave17> dude they told me back ports is being a bitch
[07:29] <ricosuave17> dude so what do i do with the superkarama apt or download?
[07:29] <TestMAD> is there a way to navigate the wine dir in a gui and not the console?
[07:30] <jpatrick> I'vefinished downloading the new skaramba
[07:30] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: if it's not in the repositories once you have those sources, then you ned to compile
[07:30] <apokryphos> jpatrick: apt or source tarball?
[07:30] <jpatrick> It's in the universal
[07:30] <jpatrick> I just used Kynaptic
[07:30] <ricosuave17> kynaptic??
[07:30] <jpatrick> yes
[07:30] <ricosuave17> oh the kde synatic
[07:31] <jpatrick> :P
[07:31] <apokryphos> jpatrick: are you sure it was latest, though?
[07:31] <jpatrick> yes
[07:31] <apokryphos> jpatrick: or do you just mean the latest in the repository?
[07:31] <jpatrick> it said 0.36
[07:31] <apokryphos> cool
[07:31] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: yes, you can get it then
[07:31] <ricosuave17> ok. 
[07:31] <ricosuave17> ill try
[07:32] <apokryphos> dejavu: that should only take a few seconds, unless you're on a really slow connection
[07:32] <jpatrick> CONFIRMED!
[07:32] <apokryphos> and still shouldn't take too long
[07:32] <jpatrick> ;)
[07:32] <ricosuave17> root@home:/home/ricky # apt-get install superkaramba
[07:32] <ricosuave17> Reading package lists... Done
[07:32] <ricosuave17> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:32] <ricosuave17> superkaramba is already the newest version.
[07:32] <ricosuave17> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:32] <apokryphos> 107 Nicks -- we're getting popular =)
[07:32] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: why are you using root? :P
[07:32] <ricosuave17> cause i like it
[07:33] <jpatrick> have you enabled universal?
[07:33] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: you evidently don't have all the sources enabled if you're getting that
[07:33] <ricosuave17> i do all of the original sources
[07:33] <dejavu> apokryphos: only 12.5KBps
[07:33] <ricosuave17> yes all the orignial sources in the text are enabled
[07:33] <apokryphos> dejavu: :|
[07:33] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: you need more than the original sources
[07:33] <jpatrick> Liquid Weather works! Sweet!
[07:34] <jpatrick> Universal!!
[07:34] <apokryphos> jpatrick: I don't think it's in Universe
[07:34] <ricosuave17> its not in universe
[07:34] <jpatrick> That's where I found it
[07:34] <jpatrick> open kynaptic
[07:35] <apokryphos> jpatrick: do you have backports?
[07:35] <apokryphos> jpatrick: http://packages.ubuntu.com/superkaramba
[07:35] <dejavu> btw how could i know wether the package really not listed in my CD?
[07:36] <apokryphos> dejavu: after it's updated the sources, just search for it in Kynaptic
[07:36] <ricosuave17> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[07:36] <ricosuave17> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[07:36] <dejavu> tnx apokryphos 
[07:37] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: for the gpg keys etc go to the kubuntu guide
[07:37] <ricosuave17> what key what is that
[07:37] <jpatrick> Open Kynaptic and click KDE Desktop...., then scroll down to s and it's there
[07:37] <ricosuave17> i use apt-get on ubnuti
[07:37] <jpatrick> KDE Desktop (universe)
[07:38] <apokryphos> jpatrick: will all due respect, 0.36 is not in Universe -- the link demonstrates it.
[07:38] <apokryphos> jpatrick: you may have other repos enabled...
[07:38] <jpatrick> I have it :|
[07:38] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: go to the Kubuntu guide; it explains what to do for the GPG errors
[07:39] <TestMAD> apokrphos: i just tried to install wine tools from kynaptic. and it said that all the packages couldnt be downloaded. what do i do?
[07:39] <jpatrick> maybe it is backports...
[07:39] <ricosuave17> what is a gpg?
[07:39] <jpatrick> supper anyway
[07:39] <dejavu> btw what will gonna happen if I canceled my apt-get process?
[07:39] <dejavu> its now 50% and still running...
[07:39] <apokryphos> dejavu: the apt-get update? It wouldn't get all the sources...
[07:39] <dejavu> (downloading the linux-source packages)
[07:40] <apokryphos> TestMAD: you can use tab in IRC clients for auto-complete of nicks :). What's the exact error?
[07:40] <apokryphos> TestMAD: sudo apt-get install wine seems fine here
[07:41] <ricosuave17> cool it worked
[07:41] <ricosuave17> thanks  dudes
[07:41] <fromoze> OFF-TOPIC: Any tip to remove sasser? I haven't use losedoz for too much time and a friend has the problem... I don't know if google is showing me real solutions :/
[07:42] <jpowers> fromoze: check trustworthy sources, like symantec or mcafee's sites
[07:42] <TestMAD> apokryphos: it says some of the packages could not be retrieved from the server(s).  Dou you want to continue, ignoring the packages?
[07:42] <dejavu> apokryphos: hmmm :(
[07:43] <ricosuave17> ok some help with liquid weather now
[07:43] <dejavu> btw, how fast is ur b/w apokryphos ?
[07:43] <apokryphos> TestMAD: which package specifically does it mention? Wine?
[07:43] <apokryphos> dejavu: 8megabit :)
[07:43] <TestMAD> apokryphos: it doesnt
[07:44] <apokryphos> TestMAD: could you paste the whole ouput with that command?
[07:44] <apokryphos> I think it should mention further out
[07:44] <TestMAD> apokryphos: but im trying to install the wine tools
[07:44] <apokryphos> TestMAD: pastebin, that is
[07:44] <apokryphos> ohh
[07:44] <dejavu> wow..cool..!!
[07:44] <TestMAD> apokryphos: wine is already installed.. just trying to get wine-tools in now
[07:45] <apokryphos> dejavu: yes, quite a recent innovation. Got 4meg which was a big jump from normal bb, then got a free upgrade to 8 :)
[07:45] <TestMAD> hmm
[07:45] <dejavu> apokryphos: just in 'peoples' dream in indonesia :((
[07:46] <fromoze> jpowers: I read about exec 'shutdown -a' on XP to take control of the sistem. It look really strange for me.. 
[07:46] <apokryphos> dejavu: sad to hear :(. Fast broadband makes Internet surfing/using so much more pleasant. Especially on Linux where packages are often downloaded/upgrades often done
[07:46] <jpowers> fromoze: was it a trustworthy source?
[07:46] <TestMAD> apokryphos: should i be using apt-get for this or can i use the kynaptic
[07:46] <jpowers> fromoze: I believe the groups I mentioned actually provide tools and checklists for eliminating the problem.
[07:47] <apokryphos> dejavu: hopefully there'll be an explosion of broadband soon :)
[07:47] <dejavu> tnx apokryphos 
[07:47] <apokryphos> TestMAD: Kynaptic is only a Graphical FrontEnd to apt, so they're the same thing at the back
[07:47] <fromoze> jpowers: It's exposorized by the 'asociacin de internautas' . Spanish association defending users of the net ...
[07:48] <jpowers> fromoze: I've never heard of them.  Are they trustworthy?
[07:48] <TestMAD> apokryphos: this is frustrating..you installed woth no problems..but i cant
[07:48] <apokryphos> TestMAD: though you'd get a more verbose output from apt; try doing sudo apt-get update, then going for the install again via apt
[07:48] <jpowers> fromoze: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sasser.removal.tool.html
[07:48] <TestMAD> ok
[07:48] <TestMAD> sudo apt-get install wine-tools?
[07:49] <apokryphos> TestMAD: winetools
[07:49] <TestMAD> k
[07:49] <fromoze> jpowers: I download this app, but she says she can't execute anything without computer restart...
[07:49] <apokryphos> It's not in Main/Universe/Multiverse, so it could be in backports or marillat
[07:49] <ricosuave17> anyone?
[07:49] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: what's the prob?
[07:49] <dejavu> btw, does anyone here using webcam with ubuntu/kubuntu?
[07:49] <ricosuave17> liquid weather
[07:49] <apokryphos> dejavu: ztonzy has had some success stories :P
[07:49] <dejavu> or even the real debian
[07:49] <jpowers> fromoze: incidentally, that was the first result from googling symantec sasser
[07:50] <apokryphos> ztonzy: hi, by the way :)
[07:50] <dejavu> apokryphos: cool, maybe i'll be often be here on this #
[07:50] <ricosuave17> liquid weather wont let me change my city
[07:50] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: does it give an error?
[07:50] <dejavu> but well, i have to finish my linux-source installation 1st ;)
[07:50] <ricosuave17> nop
[07:51] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: tried changing it from another source? i.e. weather.com/bbc etc
[07:51] <ricosuave17> ?? how
[07:51] <ricosuave17> what?
[07:51] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: erm, how else did you try changing the city?
[07:51] <fromoze> jpowers: I'll aske her to try following symatec instructions: just execute. thanks 
[07:51] <TestMAD> www.pastebin.com/313348
[07:51] <jpowers> fromoze: ok, good luck
[07:52] <Master-Yoda> who loves kubuntu!
[07:52] <Master-Yoda> I DO
[07:52] <Master-Yoda> :P
[07:52] <ricosuave17> i dont know. how to chang ethe city
[07:52] <Master-Yoda> ok i have a small problem, can someone get my WIFI card to work
[07:52] <apokryphos> TestMAD: you're using the us archive :)
[07:52] <apokryphos> TestMAD: see /topic
[07:52] <ztonzy> apokryphos, uh ?
[07:52] <apokryphos> ztonzy: hey 
[07:53] <ztonzy> hi :)
[07:53] <apokryphos> ztonzy: just another potential kubuntu-and-webcam user -- told him you got it working
[07:53] <ricosuave17> ??
[07:53] <ztonzy> http://mxhaard.free.fr/download.html  <--- good driver :)
[07:53] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: Right-click
[07:53] <apokryphos> dejavu: see?
[07:53] <dejavu> yup
[07:53] <Master-Yoda> anyone?
[07:54] <ricosuave17> yes and i click change city but nothign happens
[07:54] <apokryphos> dejavu: funnily enough I had mine working on FC3 a few months ago; couldn't get it working on Ubuntu. It is rusty old though
[07:54] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: it should ask what to use to change the city, or "find location on..."
[07:54] <dejavu> apokryphos: maybe ztonzy can help u  ;)
[07:55] <ricosuave17> nop it doesnt
[07:55] <ztonzy> dejavu, hey
[07:55] <dejavu> ztonzy: i've already downloaded the driver, but now still updating my system :(
[07:55] <ztonzy> dejavu, ok, you need kernelsource and headers
[07:55] <dejavu> yup
[07:55] <ztonzy> so it compiles against them...
[07:56] <dejavu> btw, ztonzy, d u have any experience with mandrake?
[07:56] <ztonzy> I have a Creative Webcam NXPro...since I found driver I havent touched/updated it with newer
[07:56] <dejavu> i mean mandrake & webcam
[07:56] <ztonzy> dejavu, hmm just tiny, years ago :)
[07:56] <ztonzy> no
[07:57] <ztonzy> Camorama is a nice app to check if it webcam works
[07:57] <dejavu> in the last 3 days i got only black-screen on my mandrake10 :((
[07:57] <ricosuave17> apokryphos, so?? did u find anything
[07:57] <ztonzy> now I need food + beer :)
[07:57] <dejavu> i dont think the problem is on the viewer, coz  already found some errors when installing the driver :(
[07:58] <TestMAD> apokryphos: installing now..thnx
[07:58] <ztonzy> bbl
[07:58] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: hm, it's not downloading the weather data for me. I think it's actually down to my router settings -- this was mentioned on their site some time ago
[07:58] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: Right-click -> Configure Theme
[07:58] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: ...Find Location on Weather.com
[07:59] <ricosuave17> yes and i click change city and stuff but nothing happens
[07:59] <ricosuave17> yes i click but nothing happens
[07:59] <jpatrick> Where are you?
[07:59] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: does it say "downloading weather data... please be patient"
[07:59] <ricosuave17> kennesaw usa
[07:59] <ricosuave17> no it doesnt say anything
[07:59] <Master-Yoda> um
[07:59] <jpatrick> I'll look it up
[07:59] <Master-Yoda> can someone help me with my wifi car?
[07:59] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: the theme by default.. what does it have? The sun/cloud icons etc?
[08:00] <ricosuave17> moon cloud
[08:00] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: oh ok. Have you tried selecting the others; i.e. find location on BBC?
[08:00] <ricosuave17> yes
[08:00] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: what are you entering as your location?
[08:00] <ricosuave17> i cant enter anything
[08:01] <ricosuave17> nothing happens
[08:01] <apokryphos> a KDialog should come up..
[08:01] <ricosuave17> nop it doesnt
[08:01] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: quickly hit superkaramba --version in konsole to clarify your version of it..
[08:01] <jpatrick> Kennesaw, GA?
[08:01] <ricosuave17> yes
[08:02] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: output?
[08:02] <ricosuave17> Qt: 3.3.3
[08:02] <ricosuave17> KDE: 3.4.0
[08:02] <ricosuave17> superkaramba: 0.36
[08:02] <jpatrick> right-click skar. and go to conf. theme, then hit Enter your location code and type: USGA0305
[08:02] <apokryphos> Alright, I find it hard to believe that the KDialog isn't coming up, but I'll take your word for it. In which case, I have no real idea why it's not working
[08:03] <jpatrick> see my reply
[08:03] <jpatrick> :)
[08:03] <ricosuave17> were do i type that
[08:03] <ricosuave17> no menu pops up
[08:03] <ricosuave17> nothing happens
[08:03] <ricosuave17> when i cant 
[08:03] <ricosuave17> click
[08:03] <jpatrick> right-click LW and go to conf. theme -> then Enter Location Code -> USGA0305
[08:03] <ricosuave17> nothing happens
[08:04] <ricosuave17> when i click enter location code
[08:04] <jpatrick> weird.....
[08:04] <jpatrick> restart superkaramba
[08:05] <jpatrick> wow -> 30*C here
[08:06] <ricosuave17> ok did it and still nothign working
[08:06] <jpatrick> can you right-click it?
[08:06] <ricosuave17> `TUX`, 
[08:06] <ricosuave17> yes
[08:07] <jpatrick> Go to configure theme...
[08:07] <ricosuave17> yes
[08:07] <jpatrick> Enter your location code....
[08:07] <ricosuave17> no
[08:07] <ricosuave17> nothing happens
[08:07] <jpatrick> wait a while
[08:08] <ricosuave17> nothing happens
[08:08] <jpatrick> damn
[08:08] <jpatrick> :-/
[08:08] <seth_k> what version of Liquid Weather?
[08:09] <Master-Yoda> can anyone help..
[08:09] <ricosuave17> newest i could download
[08:09] <ricosuave17> from the page
[08:09] <ep> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/vesaire/sources.list gives an example of an sources list.  Can I use it?  I'm confused about the backport mirrors,  should they  A) be added an removed as the need arises B) not be used ever at all or C) used always.
[08:09] <jpatrick> I can remember - I downloaded the lastest one
[08:10] <seth_k> Master-Yoda: we're all here to help, just ask
[08:10] <seth_k> ?? sources.list
[08:10] <frank> ep:  I say A
[08:11] <apokryphos> ep: yes
[08:12] <ep> ok,how can I determine what additional or updated software is available from the backport sources.  I'm looking for a couple of packages I haveent found in the official repositories.
[08:13] <ricosuave17> umm any ideas?
[08:15] <jpatrick> reboot?
[08:17] <ricosuave17> sure??
[08:18] <jpatrick> no idea - worth a try
[08:18] <ricosuave17> ok
[08:18] <ricosuave17> man i why cnt i use ctrl alt del
[08:19] <apokryphos> ep: no real way other than adding them to your sources.list and searching
[08:19] <ep> Say I want to add a package and its not available from the official repositories. Should I add the backport source entry to my sources.list then use apt-cache search
[08:19] <ep> like that then :)
[08:19] <apokryphos> ep: Sure. I just permanently leave the repo there though
[08:20] <ep> ok but permanently leaving the reop there is NOT choice A)
[08:20] <dejavu> hey, im back (with my new problem :D)
[08:20] <apokryphos> ep: you could manually look for them here http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/ but a bit of a "drag"
[08:20] <apokryphos> ep: up to you; not sure why you don't want it there...
[08:21] <dejavu> after the 'apt-get install linux-source' finished, i got no /usr/src/linux direktory
[08:21] <ep> I thought that was the advise being announce on #ubuntu... I could be mistaken.
[08:22] <dejavu> but a file named linux-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2
[08:22] <apokryphos> ep: I see people saying that people are saying it, but haven't heard anyone specifically advise. I don't really know the methodoly behind it, nor the repos purpose so I don't really know
[08:22] <dejavu> is it normal? becoz i still cant 'make' the webcam driver :(
[08:22] <ricosuave17> nop working yet
[08:22] <dejavu> is ztonzy there?
[08:22] <ep> well that clears that up:)
[08:23] <apokryphos> dejavu: I have no idea, but as a note, things that aren't specifically kde-related generally more likely to get an answer for in #ubuntu
[08:23] <supernix> ok for the record if your having trouble with Mozilla crashing while your using the flash plugin from ubuntu main then just switch to the one from Universe it is 7.0 r2 I think
[08:23] <dejavu> apokryphos: is it?coz im using kubuntu, neither ubuntu?
[08:23] <supernix> That will clear that sucker right up
[08:24] <supernix> I feel useful now since I actually managed to solve a problem
[08:24] <apokryphos> ep: just spoke to a dev; using them is fine
[08:24] <apokryphos> dejavu: kubuntu and ubuntu share the same base
[08:24] <ep> cool
[08:24] <ep> thanks
[08:24] <jpatrick> anyone know how I get OpenOffice KDE?
[08:24] <apokryphos> dejavu: so for all non-kde questions (non-kubuntu questions), ubuntu since it's bigger will increase chance of success
[08:25] <apokryphos> jpatrick: repositories :)
[08:25] <dejavu> apokryphos: ok, then it means bettter if i join #ubuntu, rite?
[08:25] <aoisora> hello, i got problem to install kbuntu. "initrd-tools is already the newest version"
[08:25] <apokryphos> dejavu: yeah :)
[08:25] <jpatrick> Yeah I have it
[08:25] <dejavu> thanks
[08:26] <aoisora> how can i solve it?
[08:26] <spiral> hmmm, does anyone know if the qt4 link in topic contains package for qt4 that I should install in order to replace qt3 in my hoary & still have kde working (with qt4 then...)
[08:26] <ztonzy> dejavu, no yes
[08:26] <ztonzy> now*
[08:27] <ztonzy> dejavu, you need to link like this:
[08:28] <jpatrick> So how do I get it to show up as KDE>
[08:28] <jpatrick> ?
[08:28] <ztonzy> dejavu, 'sudo ln -s linux linux-headers-*'   (* = what kerneltype it is)
[08:28] <ztonzy> then /usr/src/linux points to the headers for your particular kernel
[08:29] <ztonzy> and this one is needed too:  ' /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10 '
[08:30] <_shawn_> hi how I just installed kde trunk how do I make kubuntu boot to that?
[08:31] <apokryphos> _shawn_: install it under another user?
[08:31] <_shawn_> what?
[08:31] <dejavu> ztonzy: yup
[08:32] <apokryphos> _shawn_: under what prefix did you compile kde svn to?
[08:32] <_shawn_> I don't want that I'd like my curreent used to boot to it
[08:32] <_shawn_> I used kdesvn-build with defult settings
[08:32] <dejavu> ztonzy: i have no linux-headers-bla..bla.. direktory ye :(
[08:32] <dejavu> so what should i do?
[08:32] <ztonzy> dejavu, get it then, without it you can't build kernel drivers
[08:33] <dejavu> im sorry, but how can i get it?
[08:33] <apokryphos> _shawn_: you should be alright with changing the $KDEDIRS prefix and your $(kde-config --localprefix)
[08:33] <ztonzy> dejavu, if you type 'uname -a'  in terminal? what does it say?
[08:33] <dejavu> i am really new bie in debian
[08:33] <dejavu> may i paste it here?
[08:33] <_shawn_> how do I change those?
[08:34] <dejavu> Linux kavakava 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:34] <ztonzy> ok
[08:34] <dejavu> i've already got /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2
[08:34] <dejavu> and then?
[08:35] <ztonzy> dejavu, is it unpacked to a directory ?
[08:35] <dejavu> not yet
[08:35] <dejavu> should i unpacked it?
[08:35] <apokryphos> _shawn_: if you logout into x terminal and edit your .bashrc file then do "export KDEDIR=/location/of/kdesvn" 
[08:35] <dejavu> on the /usr/src/ direktory?
[08:35] <ztonzy> do 'sudo bunzip *.bz2'  :)
[08:36] <ztonzy> dejavu, yes
[08:36] <apokryphos> _shawn_: you also have to set the variable for that, but I forget what it is
[08:36] <apokryphos> one sec
[08:36] <ricosuave17> how do ig et flash??
[08:36] <ztonzy> dejavu, also do this: 'sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386'
[08:36] <dejavu> done!! and now? create the symlinks?
[08:36] <ztonzy> dejavu, then you can do the linking as I told you before
[08:36] <dejavu> ztonzy: okay!
[08:37] <apokryphos> _shawn_: actually, I'm not quite sure how the svn build does it.. ther eshould be instructions/readme etc.
[08:38] <apokryphos> _shawn_: and you shouldn't relaly be building svn if you don't know what you're doing ;-)
[08:39] <dejavu> ztonzy: i'll confirm later, now im downloading the linux-headers package
[08:39] <jpatrick> Yeah! I have the lastest firefox!
[08:39] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: you should be consulting guides and the wiki before this place
[08:39] <ztonzy> dejavu, when all is set like I told you, it should work
[08:39] <ricosuave17> why?
[08:40] <ztonzy> dejavu, the last thing you should do is to install it with admin rigths:  'sudo make install'  so it is able to use headers/sources as root priviliges
[08:40] <ztonzy> hmm typo
[08:40] <dejavu> ztonzy: i'll try my best ;), well tnx for d clues ;)
[08:40] <ztonzy> dejavu, np
[08:41] <apokryphos> ricosuave17: because that's the process you should be going through. Do your own research, then consult human units =)
[08:41] <dejavu> sorry, u mean make install for the webcam driver rite?
[08:41] <ztonzy> dejavu, yes
[08:41] <ztonzy> 'sudo ...'
[08:41] <dejavu> great, tnx
[08:41] <ztonzy> not 'make'
[08:41] <dejavu> yup
[08:41] <dejavu> ups, sorry....
[08:43] <ztonzy> dejavu, whan webcamera/brand/model do you have ?
[08:43] <ztonzy> what*
[08:43] <dejavu> Colorvis, it uses Z-Star chipset
[08:43] <ztonzy> never heard of it...a pic ?
[08:43] <dejavu> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0ac8:301b Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. Sansun SN-510 WebCam [hv713d] 
[08:44] <_shawn_> ya I know i should be bilding svn.... it's unstable blah... last time I did it I just did it without kdesvn-build and it was my only kde... my computer has nothing of inportance on it so I'm willing to deal with it being unstable
[08:44] <ztonzy> dejavu, and the driver I showed you has it ?
[08:44] <dejavu> sorry, no pic at this time
[08:44] <_shawn_> *shouldn't
[08:44] <dejavu> i've already had the spca5xx, zc030x and pwc driver :D
[08:44] <apokryphos> _shawn_: not because it's unstable so much, but you should know what you're doing...
[08:44] <ztonzy> dejavu, this worked out of the box for me
[08:45] <apokryphos> _shawn_: it's generally for devs
[08:45] <dejavu> but experience some errors on my mandrake10.0
[08:45] <dejavu> thats why i try to learn kubuntu(debian)
[08:45] <apokryphos> _shawn_: does the thing you're using not come with instructions?
[08:45] <_shawn_> I don't see why I know it's for devs but I should be free to use it
[08:45] <apokryphos> _shawn_: you are; I didn't say otherwise.
[08:46] <ztonzy> dejavu, ah...yes...took me some time to enter ubuntu (debian) but now it is so easy to install things
[08:47] <ztonzy> I know a guy who uses debian, and tried kubuntu a week or so...and he felt that kde had more issues than on debian
[08:47] <apokryphos> _shawn_: in addition to doing the above, do this: "export KDEHOME=/location/of/new/.kde/directory"
[08:47] <apokryphos> _shawn_: you'll have to know where the thing built them too, though, of course.
[08:48] <_shawn_> ya I do
[08:48] <apokryphos> _shawn_: then you should be good to go
[08:48] <apokryphos> :)
[08:48] <dejavu> btw, ztonzy, and also apokryphos, and or maybe someone else, r u guys members of ubuntu team?
[08:48] <apokryphos> _shawn_: it's a good idea, if you want to run kde svn, to have another user for it. There's a great guide on this, if you want it, LMK>
[08:49] <apokryphos> dejavu: nope :)
[08:49] <ztonzy> dejavu, no, just a user...me at least
[08:49] <_shawn_> sure what's the link?
[08:49] <apokryphos> dejavu: just pathetic mortals temporarily addicted to IRC :P
[08:49] <dejavu> but u r both great in this # ;)
[08:49] <ztonzy> dejavu, just earlier trial and error :)
[08:49] <apokryphos> =)
[08:50] <dejavu> great;)
[08:50] <ztonzy> dejavu, thanks
[08:50] <_shawn_> what the link to "this great guide"?
[08:50] <apokryphos> _shawn_: whoops, missed you there; you didn't highlight me :P. One sec
[08:50] <apokryphos> _shawn_: http://quality.kde.org/develop/cvsguide/buildstep.php
[08:51] <dejavu> ztonzy: btw, to where should i make the symlinks? to the 'linux-source' or 'linux-headers'?
[08:51] <ztonzy> dejavu, I started out some years ago with mandrake/redhat then fedora...but tired of the slowness in system of fedora, and the lack of nice support and to often releases
[08:52] <ep> Crap,  I think I screwed up. Updated my source.list to more or less this: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/vesaire/sources.list
[08:52] <ztonzy> dejavu, headers
[08:52] <_shawn_> thanks having another user for it is probally a good Idea since I start college in a couple months and my computer should probally be stable then.
[08:53] <ep> then I ran apt-get update and upgrade and it installed a bunch of marrillet (sp) unstable stuff.... I didn't want this.  I thought those lines were commented out.
[08:53] <apokryphos> _shawn_: yes, this way you can still have all your normal stable-ish stuff, and when you want to be adventurous just switch user :)
[08:53] <apokryphos> ep: you can comment them out now and just re-update
[08:54] <ep> ok
[08:54] <supernix> anyone know of a good free dynamic dns service ?
[08:55] <ztonzy> http://www.no-ip.com/
[08:55] <ep> do you mean run "update" again or is there an actual "re-update" switch :)
[08:55] <apokryphos> ep: just a plain sudo apt-get udpate
[08:55] <frank> www.dyndns.org
[08:56] <apokryphos> ep: that will re-check the sources.list and update the sources to use
[08:56] <dejavu> ztonzy: i got the module!!
[08:56] <ztonzy> dejavu, sweet
[08:56] <dejavu> now i need a cam viewer
[08:56] <ep> ok
[08:56] <ztonzy> Camorama
[08:56] <dejavu> is kubuntu have xawtv?
[08:56] <ztonzy> or Gnome-Meeting
[08:56] <ztonzy> dejavu, doesn't work with that...I tried
[08:57] <ztonzy> install Camorama
[08:57] <ep> But what about the stuff that got installed?
[08:57] <dejavu> E: Couldn't find package gnomemeting :(
[08:57] <dejavu> ok im trying to find out camorama
[08:58] <ep> because I ran upgrade too.
[08:58] <ztonzy> dejavu, you have: Video4Linux   ??
[08:58] <apokryphos> ep: you'd have to manually remove that; you can use sudo apt-get remove {packagename}
[08:59] <dejavu> no
[08:59] <dejavu> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
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[09:00] <dejavu> how bout this: ups, im sorri :(
[09:01] <dejavu> i mean, how bout this: packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/camorama?
[09:01] <supernix> ty  for the links to the DynDSN sites 
[09:02] <JohnFlux> !synaptic
[09:02] <JohnFlux> where's the bot?
[09:02] <apokryphos> JohnFlux: dead, and maintainer isn't around
[09:03] <ep> Uninstalling might be a pain?  Will it automatically put reinstall the stable equivalent? It looks like it mostly multi-meda libraries.  I'm going to keep a copy of what it installed.   
[09:03] <JohnFlux> at startup I have to do "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse"
[09:03] <JohnFlux> where can I put this to do this on startup, after the modules are loaded
[09:03] <ep> Hopefully It won't be a problem.  
[09:04] <ztonzy> dejavu, yes...didnt you find it with:  'sudo apt-get install camorama' ?
[09:04] <apokryphos> JohnFlux: could just put it in the KDE Autostart directory, no?
[09:05] <JohnFlux> apokryphos: hmm i guess...
[09:05] <JohnFlux> apokryphos: it would be nice if it was loaded before/during kdm though
[09:05] <apokryphos> dejavu: you will have to enable the "Universe" repository
[09:06] <apokryphos> JohnFlux: I'm sure someone mentions the file to put it in at least once a week, and I always forget :|
[09:06] <dejavu> ztonzy: im doing it now...
[09:06] <dejavu> learning by doing is great ;)
[09:06] <aseigo> JohnFlux: `kde-config --localprefix`/env/
[09:07] <ztonzy> ok
[09:07] <dejavu> apokryphos: sorry, i dont understand with "universe"
[09:07] <aseigo> JohnFlux: or you could put it somewhere in the rc scripts, of course =)
[09:07] <apokryphos> dejavu: ok. In terminal, hit "sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list" then from there find the line that has deb http:/slkjfsfdlkj Universe and take out the "#" at the beginning of the line
[09:08] <JohnFlux> aseigo: i'll put it in my xserverrc ;)
[09:08] <aseigo> that works
[09:09] <apokryphos> aseigo: what's the env/ directory?
[09:10] <dejavu> apokryphos: i got it, its only enabling the "universe" repository, rite?
[09:11] <apokryphos> dejavu: yes. After that save it, close it, sudo apt-get update
[09:11] <dejavu> yup ;)
[09:13] <JohnFlux> hmm rats, suspend to ram didn't work.  
[09:13] <JohnFlux> at least it doesn't come back up ;)
[09:13] <aseigo> apokryphos: any executable in there is run before the KDE environment is set up, but after authenticated
[09:13] <aseigo> so ...
[09:13] <dejavu> btw, how can i create the "show desktop" icon?
[09:13] <aseigo> KDM auth -> env/ -> KDE panels/desktops -> autostart -> session management
[09:14] <aseigo> dejavu: right click on the panel, Add -> Special Button -> Desktop Access (or something like that)
[09:14] <aseigo> dejavu: in 3.5 it's in the Add Applets dialog
[09:15] <dejavu> got it, tnx ;)
[09:15] <dejavu> same with mandrake actually :D
[09:15] <fromoze> aseigo: 3.5 has yet a release date? 
[09:17] <aseigo> fromoze: no, but i'm running it right now ... and so could you!
[09:17] <aseigo> *flass the 1-800 number*
[09:17] <aseigo> er, flashes
[09:18] <aseigo> svn the number you see on your screen(1) and we'll ship you the sources for KDE 3.5 today!
[09:19] <fromoze> aseigo: well... if I can't get wesnoth 0.9.3 working on my kubuntu64... I won't dream about kde 3.5 :)
[09:20] <fromoze> chuckles?
[09:21] <aseigo> yes.
[09:21] <aseigo> chuckles.
[09:21] <fromoze> I just found it on my collins ;)
[09:22] <aseigo> ah ... .es
[09:22] <wizzard> please, does anybody knows how to connect to Windows server using terminal services in Kubuntu?
[09:22] <fromoze> yes
[09:22] <apokryphos> aseigo: do you know if stuff like Konqueror's use of space is going to be investigated for 3.5, by any chance?
[09:22] <aseigo> wizzard: kmenu -> run command
[09:22] <wizzard> yes?
[09:22] <apokryphos> Though I noticed the "Simple Browser" in svn which isn't too bad
[09:22] <aseigo> wizzard: when that comes up do: rdp:/hostname
[09:23] <wizzard> thank you very much
[09:23] <fromoze> aseigo: and I'm just a poor philosophy student... let me stay on the stable releases ;)
[09:23] <aseigo> apokryphos: use of space?
[09:23] <apokryphos> fromoze: cool! Where at/what Philosophy? :)
[09:23] <apokryphos> aseigo: yeah, it mildly bugs me
[09:23] <aseigo> fromoze: a philosopher. nice =)
[09:24] <dejavu> hey there, still having problems here :(
[09:24] <fromoze> apokryphos: where? town you mean? Salamanca
[09:24] <apokryphos> aseigo: i.e. http://cerulean.pyresoft.com/blosxom.cgi
[09:24] <dejavu> i got "connection refused" when doing "apt-get update" and also when "apt-get install camorama" :(
[09:25] <apokryphos> fromoze: nice. I plan on going for a Math/Phil honours in September. Can't wait. :)
[09:25] <fromoze> apokryphos: and I like metaphysics :)
[09:25] <apokryphos> fromoze: Nice. Among my favourites; more drawn to Anthropology lately
[09:25] <fromoze> apokryphos: you're coming to salamanca??
[09:25] <apokryphos> fromoze: if you want to, drop by http://philosophyforums.com sometime -- very good place.
[09:26] <apokryphos> fromoze: oh, no. I'm staying in London probably
[09:26] <fromoze> apokryphos: ok
[09:27] <apokryphos> fromoze: any favourites? (Philosophers)
[09:28] <fromoze> apokryphos: Well, it's complicated.. I'll start my 'doctorado? tesis? about Rousseau.
[09:28] <apokryphos> fromoze: doctorate/thesis. Oh, nice. :)
[09:28] <aseigo> apokryphos: mmm.. yeah, a lot of those issues have to do with embedding widgets in other widgets
[09:29] <aseigo> apokryphos: i went on a bevel killing frenzy in the file dialog and kontact (and to a less extent in konqi, just the sidebar there) for 3.4
[09:29] <apokryphos> heh
[09:30] <apokryphos> I think usability/use-of-space are important issues
[09:30] <supernix> I don't get it I just signed up for dyndns.org and did a ping test and it actually said 7005ms 
[09:30] <aseigo> apokryphos: for certain values of important, yes
[09:34] <fromoze> apokryphos: I'm interested about interpretation (words, images, discurss...). I like on this work Foucault, Barthes, Magritte, Rousseau, Nishida, Warhol, Pedro Abelardo, Gorgias, Heidegger ...
[09:40] <dejavu> ztonzy: r u still there?
[09:40] <dejavu> im having another problem :(
[09:41] <fromoze> apokryphos: I need to improve a lot my english to write on philosophy forums... but I can read :)
[09:45] <ztonzy> dejavu, somewhere :)
[09:45] <dejavu> bad news bro.. :(
[09:45] <dejavu> dejavu@kavakava:~$ camorama -d /dev/video0
[09:46] <ztonzy> ?
[09:46] <dejavu> then i got "could not connect to video device (/dev/video0"
[09:46] <dejavu> "please check connection" :(
[09:46] <dejavu> now what? :((
[09:46] <ztonzy> do you have Video4Linux ?
[09:47] <dejavu> no more idea at this 3am
[09:47] <dejavu> a software?
[09:47] <dejavu> i dont think i have
[09:47] <ztonzy> it is drivers for video/cam
[09:50] <dejavu> or u mean v4l support on the kernel?
[09:50] <ztonzy> dejavu, dont know...but for system
[09:51] <dejavu> afaik, v4l is attached to the kernel
[09:51] <apokryphos> fromoze: cool; interesting thinkers there, and all ones I don't know much of. Plan on reading Heidegger's "Being and Time" this summer at least
[09:51] <dejavu> but now the fact is that i already loaded the drive
[09:52] <apokryphos> fromoze: yes, there's a lot to read there. M&E is among the better forums, it must be said.
[09:52] <dejavu> but also still doest work wirk other error message :(
[09:52] <johnflux> !java
[09:52] <ztonzy> dejavu, type 'lsmod' and find where it says 'video'
[09:53] <johnflux> how do I get openoffice.org2  working? It seems to require java 
[09:53] <dejavu> root@kavakava:/tmp# lsmod  | grep video
[09:53] <dejavu> videodev                9728  1 zc030x
[09:53] <dejavu> video                  16260  0
[09:53] <dejavu> is it okay?
[09:53] <ztonzy> seems old driver is still loaded
[09:53] <dejavu> u mean?
[09:53] <ztonzy> spca5xx               295256  0
[09:53] <ztonzy> videodev                9856  1 spca5xx
[09:54] <ztonzy> that's what I have
[09:54] <ztonzy> dejavu, you said you had earlier drivers ?
[09:54] <apokryphos> johnflux: enable backports repo then install sun-j2re1.5
[09:54] <dejavu> different driver bro..
[09:54] <dejavu> im using zc030x
[09:55] <dejavu> wait...
[09:55] <ztonzy> maybe unload it
[09:56] <shogouki>  a friend of mani want to suppress the info popup of taskbar (its kicker i think), how can he do that ?
[09:56] <shogouki> mine
[09:56] <dejavu> ztonzy................
[09:56] <dejavu> hellow....r u there....
[09:56] <ztonzy> no I am not here :P
[09:56] <dejavu> i got it finally..
[09:57] <dejavu> tnx 4 all ur help...
[09:57] <ztonzy> dejavu, it works ?
[09:57] <dejavu> yup
[09:58] <ztonzy> cool :)
[09:58] <ztonzy> so spca5xx is loaded ?
[09:58] <dejavu> yup
[09:58] <dejavu> great ;)
[09:58] <dejavu> im gonna capture my pic 4 u :p
[09:59] <apokryphos> working? Cool. Going going ztonzy ;-)
[10:00] <Percent|7C> sorry, newb question... how do you enable root logins under KDE?
[10:00] <apokryphos> Percent|7C: Ubuntu doesn't use root; it uses sudo. See http:/wiki.ubuntu.com/rootsudo
[10:01] <apokryphos> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/rootsudo
[10:01] <apokryphos> heh, make that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:01] <johnflux> what is kaffe?
[10:01] <johnflux> is it java?
[10:02] <ztonzy> dejavu, great!
[10:02] <ztonzy> apokryphos, heeh
[10:02] <ztonzy> apokryphos, sorry? ubotu ?
[10:02] <apokryphos> johnflux: implementation of JVM apparently
[10:02] <apokryphos> ztonzy: the Ubuntu bot, yeah
[10:02] <ztonzy> apokryphos, I dont :)
[10:02] <apokryphos> heh
[10:03] <dejavu> wait...im now capturing pic 4 u guys ;)
[10:08] <johnflux> when will kubuntu get a newer openoffice.org2 package :)
[10:08] <apokryphos> johnflux: asking haggai is your best bet
[10:09] <seth_k> 113 is in breezy right now
[10:09] <dejavu> ztonzy: apokryphos: take a look at these links ;)
[10:09] <johnflux> seth_k: can I get just that? :)
[10:09] <dejavu> http://geocities.com/aljabareni/image/Webcam-1121371480.jpeg
[10:09] <apokryphos> dejavu: very cool ;-)
[10:09] <ztonzy> dejavu, cool! :)
[10:09] <johnflux> seth_k: can I change hoary to breezy, get ooo2, and switch back?
[10:10] <seth_k> no, it's dependent on newer versions of libs than hoary has
[10:10] <seth_k> methinks
[10:10] <seth_k> NO, definitely not that
[10:10] <ztonzy> dejavu, so it is you and your friend sitting there
[10:10] <dejavu> http://geocities.com/aljabareni/image/Webcam-1121371611.jpeg
[10:10] <ztonzy> dejavu, great you got it to work! :)
[10:10] <seth_k> if anything, go to um, linux.cz? and grab them from there
[10:10] <johnflux> seth_k: I could see what it wants to replace
[10:10] <seth_k> iirc
[10:10] <dejavu> no, behind me is my child-brother ;)
[10:10] <johnflux> seth_k: as .deb package?
[10:10] <johnflux> seth_k: or the tar.gz ?
[10:10] <ztonzy> dejavu, wee :D
[10:10] <apokryphos> dejavu: second one is your computer? Nice
[10:10] <dejavu> and the other pic is my internet cafe ;)
[10:11] <apokryphos> oh, nice
[10:11] <ztonzy> ah
[10:11] <dejavu> tnx dude ;)
[10:11] <ztonzy> dejavu, you own a i-caf ?
[10:11] <dejavu> no..
[10:11] <ztonzy> ah indonesia :)  ...long way from here...sweden
[10:11] <dejavu> join w/ my friend
[10:11] <ztonzy> ok
[10:12] <apokryphos> dejavu: so they're running Ubuntu in that Internet Cafe? Very nice
[10:12] <seth_k> johnflux: ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/SRC680_m117/Build-1/
[10:12] <johnflux> seth_k: ah I found the linux.cz debs
[10:12] <dejavu> well, nice clues from bith of u this monin'
[10:12] <johnflux> seth_k: *nod*
[10:12] <johnflux> seth_k: thanks
[10:12] <ztonzy> dejavu, have you tried many times before getting cam to work ?
[10:12] <ztonzy> dejavu, I am happy it worked out :)
 dejavu: so they're running Ubuntu in that Internet Cafe? Very nice <-- currently im using mandrake 10
[10:13] <dejavu> but cant get my cam works :(
[10:13] <apokryphos> wouldn't have thought they'd be using Linux -- nice cafe
[10:13] <apokryphos> I doubt there are *any* in London with Linux
 dejavu, I am happy it worked out :) <--- thank u very much
[10:14] <dejavu> so apokryphos u live in london?
[10:14] <apokryphos> Yup, correct.
[10:15] <johnflux> apokryphos: where about?
[10:15] <apokryphos> dejavu: a Greek who got lost ;-)
[10:15] <dejavu> and ztonzy in sweden, rite?
[10:15] <apokryphos> johnflux: Hammersmith -- West London, but I've lived all over.
[10:15] <apokryphos> dejavu: yeah
[10:16] <dejavu> well, having great brand new friend at this morning here...
[10:16] <dejavu> nice #
[10:16] <johnflux> apokryphos: ah cool - I'm from isleworth, and frequently visit my friend in shephard's bush
[10:16] <ztonzy> dejavu, yes
[10:16] <dejavu> i think its time to me for getting sleep
[10:16] <apokryphos> johnflux: heh, not too far at all. I have quite a few friends down Bush; many from our school lived there. Play football there around once a month
[10:16] <dejavu> its 3:16am now here
[10:16] <apokryphos> dejavu: wow. Ok, see ya. =)
[10:17] <ztonzy> dejavu, ah...yes...different timezone, sleep well
[10:17] <dejavu> thanks for all ur help n c u nexttime
[10:17] <johnflux> apokryphos: I'm in brighton at the moment though
[10:17] <dejavu> great time of course..
[10:17] <ztonzy> :)
[10:17] <apokryphos> dejavu: no problem at all
[10:17] <dejavu> bye all..
[10:17] <apokryphos> we're glad to help when we can =)
[10:17] <apokryphos> johnflux: down for the summer?
[10:18] <johnflux> apokryphos: phd here
[10:19] <apokryphos> johnflux: Oh, the Uni. Probably staying in London myself; Bristol is insurance choice
[10:19] <johnflux> apokryphos: which uni?
[10:19] <apokryphos> King's
[10:20] <johnflux> not staying at home I hope?
[10:20] <apokryphos> johnflux: never :P
[10:20] <apokryphos> johnflux: the main self-catered halls are further away than my house is, from the Uni
[10:20] <apokryphos> johnflux: going for the intercollegiate halls/appartments though -- look very good.
[10:21] <apokryphos> Plus the self-catered main halls doesn't have ethernet sockets in the rooms :| :|
[10:21] <johnflux> apokryphos: fun fun .  what ya studying?
[10:22] <apokryphos> Philosophy and Maths
[10:22] <johnflux> apokryphos: ah yeah the beautiful internet connection
[10:22] <johnflux> apokryphos: nice choice.  respect ;)
[10:22] <apokryphos> johnflux: I'd seriously consider not going to a Uni that didn't have ethernet sockets
[10:22] <apokryphos> a lot of them say, "but there's loads of computer rooms". Err... yeah.
[10:23] <johnflux> apokryphos: ah don't knock being able to stay in the computer rooms till 6am
[10:23] <apokryphos> johnflux: on Windoze yay!
[10:23] <johnflux> apokryphos: eww windows
[10:23] <johnflux> apokryphos: our uni was mostly linux
[10:23] <jpatrick> I trashed my Windoze :)
[10:23] <apokryphos> johnflux: you went to Brigthon for your honours? Linux in unis!
[10:24] <johnflux> apokryphos: I did my degree in Manchester
[10:24] <johnflux> apokryphos: my DPhil is in a company in Sussex Uni
[10:24] <johnflux> and my second degree with open university ;)
[10:24] <apokryphos> johnflux: That was one of my original choices, too. Largest Uni in Europe now they say after the merge. They had some great incentives ;-)
[10:24] <johnflux> manchester is a very nice place
[10:25] <apokryphos> 1500 if you got straight As at A-level :|
[10:25] <johnflux> i couldn't like it more
[10:25] <johnflux> hehe nice
[10:25] <johnflux> 3A's or 4A's ?
[10:25] <apokryphos> johnflux: it's very popular this year. King's is just so much better at Philosophy; would be a shame to go Man when I got accepted at King's, I figured.
[10:25] <apokryphos> just the 3
[10:25] <johnflux> apokryphos: Man isn't a great uni for studying
[10:25] <apokryphos> and vouchers for all books in th course if you get AAB
[10:26] <apokryphos> hehe
[10:26] <apokryphos> That's the aim of these incentives, I guess -- bribe in the great students
[10:26] <apokryphos> it's great for some subjects though
[10:26] <johnflux> apokryphos: did you do just Math or did Further Math as well?
[10:26] <johnflux> apokryphos: for alevel
[10:27] <apokryphos> Had to drop the FM course after a month or so; they changed the subject table so I had 5 clashes a fortnight :P. Un-doable. Enjoyed it while it did last -- good stuff.
[10:27] <apokryphos> *timetable
[10:27] <johnflux> apokryphos: wouldn't worry - you'll do the stuff at uni in the first year
[10:28] <johnflux> apokryphos: I did further math and loved it, and now regretting I didn't continue with math
[10:28] <apokryphos> Our school is pretty amazing for Maths, which is great; despite being a state school
[10:28] <apokryphos> 16 out of 21 got A last year =)
[10:28] <johnflux> apokryphos: my open university degree is physics, which I'm loving 
[10:28] <apokryphos> Maths is just a constant mini-challenge. Love it. Philosophy and Maths: my two loves ;-)
[10:28] <apokryphos> Heh, that's not too different :P
[10:28] <johnflux> apokryphos: which school is that?
[10:28] <apokryphos> Twyford, in Ealing.
[10:29] <johnflux> apokryphos: hmm don't know it. I went to Richmond for its further math, and it was the closest one that did it
[10:29] <apokryphos> but i.e. for Physics, where the natural average for A's is higher than Maths.. no-one's got an A in three years. Teachers change things a lot. :)
[10:29] <apokryphos> johnflux: Richmond.. cool. Got a few friends who went on to there
[10:29] <johnflux> apokryphos: I hated physics at a-level
[10:30] <johnflux> apokryphos: I was ahead of the teacher, and found it boring 
[10:30] <apokryphos> I enjoyed Astrophysics, Thermal Physics (a bit), but disliekd Mechanics and Electronics
[10:30] <johnflux> apokryphos: I wanted to do the good stuff, not get tied down on stupid mechanics equations ;)
[10:30] <apokryphos> Hehe. You lil' wiz 8)
[10:30] <johnflux> apokryphos: now i'm older I understand the need to do the boring stuff more
[10:31] <apokryphos> We had a clueless Canadian teacher, who failed in simple math, unfortunately. Lesson was a joke.
[10:31] <apokryphos> heh
[10:31] <johnflux> apokryphos: but I wish they had a mix of advanced stuff in there as well
[10:31] <johnflux> apokryphos: Physics was the only one I got in B in :(
[10:31] <apokryphos> Physics was the only subject I got a D in :P
[10:31] <apokryphos> dropped it at AS
[10:31] <johnflux> apokryphos: heh
[10:31] <johnflux> apokryphos: :)
[10:32] <johnflux> apokryphos: my degree was comp. sci. which was a joke
[10:32] <apokryphos> Walked in thinking I had a steady B (as did most), and things came up none of us knew.. odd.
[10:32] <johnflux> apokryphos: I aced the whole degree - it was a waste of 3 years really
[10:32] <apokryphos> haha
[10:32] <apokryphos> johnflux: got to enjoy University life more, I'm sure ;-)
[10:32] <johnflux> apokryphos: most of the people there hadn't ever turned on a machine
[10:32] <apokryphos> My bro's going for Comp Sci
[10:32] <apokryphos> hah!
[10:32] <johnflux> apokryphos: It's good fun in the last year when it gets more theoritical
[10:33] <johnflux> apokryphos: quantum computing was my favourite by far
[10:33] <johnflux> apokryphos: and is why i'm doing a physics OU degree now
[10:33] <apokryphos> Oo. Instant thought of Quantum Physics makes it sound interesting :P
[10:33] <apokryphos> heh, nice. :)
[10:33] <johnflux> apokryphos: only 3 people did it
[10:33] <apokryphos> I have no idea what I'm gonna do after -- maybe Literature, maybe programming -- who knows.
[10:34] <johnflux> apokryphos: most people did "multimedia" and crap like that
[10:34] <apokryphos> :|
[10:34] <shogouki> do you have the url of the bash script to fix kde libs pb ?
[10:34] <apokryphos> shogouki: have you upgraded to 3.4.1?
[10:34] <johnflux> apokryphos: I thought I'd stick to computing my whole life... then did an engineering PhD
[10:34] <johnflux> apokryphos: things change
[10:34] <johnflux> apokryphos: My phd is lasers - I make holograms
[10:34] <apokryphos> Yup. I've got at least 3 years to find out what to do
[10:34] <shogouki> apokryphos: a friend is trying and got the kde-lib error yes
[10:34] <apokryphos> wow, nice
[10:35] <apokryphos> shogouki: tell them to apt-get update again and either do sudo apt-get -f install by itself, or with kdelibs
[10:35] <johnflux> apokryphos: I want to stick to academia
[10:35] <shogouki> ok
[10:35] <apokryphos> johnflux: Yes. I definitely plan on staying a student after
[10:35] <johnflux> apokryphos: I want to work in astrophysics, and then physics or something
[10:35] <apokryphos> just what is open though
[10:35] <apokryphos> Astrophysics is so very interesting :)
[10:36] <johnflux> apokryphos: you should join us on 
[10:36] <johnflux> #space
[10:36] <apokryphos> johnflux: cool, definitely. I'll not speak and make my complete ignorance known ;-)
[10:37] <johnflux> apokryphos: I love the space guys
[10:37] <apokryphos> hehe
[10:37] <johnflux> apokryphos: some of the most brillant guys
[10:37] <apokryphos> It helped a lot that one of my teachers genuinely enjoyed astrophysics. Gave us a bunch of "New Scientist" articles on Astrophysics
[10:37] <johnflux> apokryphos: almost all of the mars probe pictures in the newspapers were made by them
[10:37] <apokryphos> woah
[10:37] <johnflux> apokryphos: since they did them many days before nasa/esa
[10:38] <johnflux> apokryphos: from the raw data
[10:38] <apokryphos> Big guys in there, then.
[10:38] <johnflux> apokryphos: the bots are good too - do !news in the channel
[10:39] <apokryphos> johnflux: you can see why people try to discover the Unvierse before completely knowing our earth
[10:39] <apokryphos> johnflux: it's so much more interesting ;-)
[10:39] <ztonzy> anyone of you who have read "Time's Eye" with Arthur C. Clarke + Stephen Baxter ?
[10:40] <apokryphos> Triple Sunset: Planet Discovered in 3-Star System
[10:40] <apokryphos> ztonzy: nope
[10:40] <johnflux> apokryphos: I'm usually in the channel just for the images
[10:40] <apokryphos> Stephen Hawking is the extent of my outside reading :|
[10:40] <ztonzy> bought english version
[10:40] <johnflux> ztonzy: fiction or non?
[10:40] <ztonzy> johnflux, SF
[10:41] <ztonzy> it is about time gaps/travel of some sort
[10:42] <apokryphos> Nothing quite like Classic Litearture :)
[10:42] <apokryphos> or Literature, even
[10:43] <ztonzy> I dont enjoy all SF...but SF more than fiction
[10:43] <johnflux> hmm, not old enough to be in gutenburg though?
[10:43] <johnflux> yeah I loved SF
[10:43] <ztonzy> loved?
[10:44] <johnflux> these days I read Feynman's lectures
[10:44] <johnflux> nothing else :`
[10:44] <johnflux> Over a year now, and still on the second book
[10:44] <slicslak> what's the best pdf viewer for the desktop?
[10:44] <dell500> can someone help me with lm-sensors?
[10:45] <apokryphos> slicslak: kpdf/kghostview are KDE ones
[10:45] <johnflux> slicslak: kpdf by far
[10:45] <slicslak> thanks
[10:45] <johnflux> slicslak: well define 'best' :)
[10:45] <apokryphos> johnflux: so what stuff with lasers exactly is it? 
[10:45] <johnflux> slicslak: acroread supports more
[10:45] <johnflux> slicslak: acroread is needed for transparency layers etc
[10:45] <ztonzy> any of you who read RAMA series ?
[10:45] <johnflux> ztonzy: sounds family - what's RAMA again?
[10:45] <johnflux> ztonzy: familiar
[10:46] <johnflux> ztonzy: big rock/ship right?
[10:46] <johnflux> apokryphos: I use them to print holograms
[10:46] <ztonzy> johnflux, a huge cylindar crossing solar system and man sends up crafts to investigate...twice...first time it fails...next time they gets a ride with it
[10:46] <johnflux> apokryphos: is that the one with the huge sea, and huge cliffs on only one side?
[10:47] <ztonzy> so book 1 is by itself...the other 3 books is more like a trilogy
[10:47] <apokryphos> johnflux: Star Wars? Erm... 
[10:47] <apokryphos> Star wars... lightsabers
[10:47] <johnflux> apokryphos: must be another story
[10:48] <ztonzy> johnflux, it is about how Man acts in their nature...creates civilization and so on...and makes wars...it is really questioning Man's place in universe
[10:48] <johnflux> ztonzy: ah, don't remember it
[10:48] <aseigo> rama was ok.
[10:48] <aseigo> time's eye is a classic, yes
[10:49] <ztonzy> johnflux, it also travel Man to a huge 'Node' where a high intelligent collect other races to study them, but no one know why and what
[10:50] <apokryphos> heh
[10:50] <ztonzy> (and along on the big cylindership are other races too)
[10:50] <fabietto> hello
[10:50] <apokryphos> I think Vonnegut is one of the only at the mo I'd be interested in reading
[10:51] <apokryphos> have a copy of "Sirends of Titan"
[10:51] <apokryphos> fabietto: hi there :)
[10:52] <fabietto> how are you apokrypos
[10:52] <apokryphos> Excellent, thanks. And yourself? 
[10:52] <fabietto> fine thanks...i'm from Italy and you?
[10:53] <apokryphos> Looondon.
[10:53] <fabietto> London city?
[10:53] <apokryphos> Correct =)
[10:53] <jpatrick> Did you have the one minute silence?
[10:53] <fabietto> good
[10:53] <ztonzy> apokryphos, oh, forgot...must be weird being there now
[10:53] <jpatrick> or was it 5...
[10:53] <apokryphos> jpatrick: two wasn't it? 
[10:53] <apokryphos> Wasn't in a public place at the time, I don't think
[10:54] <jpatrick> I can't remember
[10:54] <apokryphos> ztonzy: a little; mostly back to normal now, apart from News.
[10:54] <supernix> I have a very high latency for some reason could this be something wrong with my internet setup ?
[10:55] <supernix> this is the stats to yahoo.com doing a ping
[10:56] <supernix> 9 packets transmitted, 9 received, 0% packet loss, time 12151ms
[10:56] <supernix> Konversation is only reporting around 78ms
[10:56] <jpatrick> wow..
[10:57] <apokryphos> supernix: that's not that bad, is it? Ping results...
[10:57] <apokryphos> 7 packets transmitted, 7 received, 0% packet loss, time 7441ms
[10:57] <supernix> yes it is pin
[10:57] <supernix> I did a ping to the hostname I chose on DyDNS.org and it was around 7kms
[10:58] <supernix> I thought that was awful long time for going to the net address
[10:58] <aseigo> 1s/ping? zoinks
[10:58] <apokryphos> Bye everyone :)
[10:59] <supernix> cya
[11:00] <jpatrick> who here uses KDevelop?
[11:27] <_P_> hi
[11:27] <_P_> i have a accent problem on kde
[11:27] <_P_> accent work on shell but not on kde or konsole
[11:39] <spiral> hey, brown, keep quiet
[11:39] <jel> hi all, pretty basic question here, can you run commands as root while logged in as a normal user eg the equivelent of windows "run as"?
[11:40] <Riddell> jel: kdesu command
[11:41] <jel> sorry im a total linux newbie what does that mean?
[11:43] <jel> what ive been trying to do is add a user via Konsole e.g. "adduser 'test'", but it says only root may add a user so i tried "adduser 'test'" as root, but no joy
[11:43] <Riddell> jel: on the command line use sudo so:  sudo adduser test
[11:44] <Riddell> it will ask you for your password
[11:46] <jel> thanks
[11:47] <Riddell> jel: for graphical stuff you can use kdesu:  kdesu konqueror
[11:49] <jel> thanks i will bare that in mind, so much stuff to explore, i'll never get any sleep
[11:54] <liz4rd> my ISP gave me 2 ips. how would i be able to use the other ip instead of dhcping to this one (there both static)
[12:01] <eguzkia> hello
[12:01] <liz4rd> hi
[12:01] <eguzkia> i'd like become a kubuntu linux!
[12:01] <liz4rd> lol
[12:01] <eguzkia> now i use mepis :(