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| mdke | --> bed | 01:16 |
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| mdke | night | 01:16 |
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| jsgotangco | hello | 07:26 |
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| jsgotangco | froud: shalom | 07:39 |
| froud | jsgotangco: bokker tov | 07:39 |
| froud | African Greetings | 07:40 |
| jsgotangco | isn't that single S | 07:40 |
| jsgotangco | i mean K | 07:40 |
| froud | yes | 07:40 |
| jsgotangco | mah nismah? | 07:41 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 07:41 |
| sivang | shalom jsgotangco | 07:44 |
| sivang | :-) | 07:44 |
| sivang | froud: ma kore? | 07:44 |
| froud | sivang: oved kashe | 07:46 |
| sivang | froud: aye aye aye, misken :-) | 07:46 |
| sivang | froud: al ma? | 07:46 |
| froud | sivang: ani katav techni as ani oved kashe bishvil ha likahot | 07:47 |
| froud | ma la sot | 07:47 |
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| sivang | jsgotangco: stopped it :-) | 07:49 |
| sivang | froud: well, if you have lots of work, it's good - where there a work there's a living. | 07:49 |
| froud | yeah customers are demanding though | 07:50 |
| froud | everything comes at the last minute | 07:50 |
| froud | we need it yesterday | 07:50 |
| jeffsch | hey froud: from the scrollback -- <froud> something in the CSS I think I dont get the same problem here | 07:50 |
| jeffsch | any hints as to what I should look for in the gnome css? | 07:51 |
| froud | no I did not lok at it | 07:51 |
| jeffsch | ok. i will look into it on fri or sat | 07:52 |
| froud | k | 07:55 |
| jsgotangco | hey jeffsch im almost done with my styleguide section (international.xml) i'll commit the full draft later | 08:09 |
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| mdke | jsgotangco, did you look at the equivalent section on the gnome styleguide for international.xml? its good! | 09:24 |
| mdke | (morning all) | 09:24 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: of course | 09:26 |
| mdke | nice | 09:29 |
| mdke | i'm a big fan of copying stuff that's already been done well... | 09:29 |
| mdke | on the userguide I've been copying stuff from all over the place ;) | 09:29 |
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| jsgotangco | brb | 09:45 |
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| jsgotangco | see you guys later | 12:51 |
| jsgotangco | oh we have a meeting later btw | 12:51 |
| jsgotangco | see you then | 12:51 |
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| k31th | Yo! | 02:12 |
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| mdke | hi apokryphos, rob^, enrico | 05:50 |
| rob^ | hey | 05:51 |
| apokryphos | hi :) | 05:51 |
| rob^ | meeting in about 6 hrs? | 05:51 |
| enrico | hi | 05:51 |
| apokryphos | mdke: any idea who the anti-ubuguide wiki fanatic is? ;-) | 05:52 |
| rob^ | apokryphos, what are you refering to? | 05:52 |
| apokryphos | rob^: someone who keeps putting in that "All information on Ubuntuguide.org is present on the wiki in clearer and expanded form." | 05:53 |
| rob^ | oh | 05:53 |
| rob^ | well I guess they should be using the wiki before using ubuguide | 05:54 |
| apokryphos | Agreed. I'll be one of the first to echo the distress that people feel toward Ubuntuguide, but we shouldn't have to lie to get people to use the Wiki 8) | 05:55 |
| rob^ | hehe | 05:55 |
| === rob^ pats the faq guide | ||
| === apokryphos sees kudos as the potential alternative; very helpful/understanding author | ||
| rob^ | is there a link? | 05:57 |
| apokryphos | Heh, where's ubotu when you need him ;-). | 05:57 |
| apokryphos | http://kudos.berlios.de | 05:57 |
| rob^ | well seeing as the faq guide is profiled for both ubuntu and kubuntu, there is no reason why we couldnt add the info from KUDOS | 05:58 |
| apokryphos | Sure | 05:59 |
| rob^ | as it is we dont have much kde stuff in they yet anyway | 05:59 |
| apokryphos | rob^: froud still the only dedicated kubuntu doccer? | 05:59 |
| rob^ | I think so | 05:59 |
| apokryphos | Not doing any real KDE documentation at the moment, so I could probably help :) | 06:00 |
| rob^ | I used to be a KDE doccer, but I haven't used KDE in a long time.. | 06:00 |
| apokryphos | Did some Kubuntu documentation for Kynaptic, but had other complications in life then, so didn't do too much.. | 06:00 |
| apokryphos | rob^: always time to come back to the light ;-) | 06:01 |
| rob^ | heh | 06:01 |
| rob^ | I like gnome too much.. | 06:01 |
| apokryphos | :) | 06:01 |
| rob^ | well its 2 am here, meetings at 8am.. | 06:02 |
| rob^ | I hope I get up :) | 06:02 |
| apokryphos | rob^: set KAlarm :P | 06:03 |
| === apokryphos looks and finds that it exists | ||
| rob^ | I have BABYalarm :) | 06:03 |
| rob^ | works a treat | 06:04 |
| apokryphos | cool | 06:04 |
| rob^ | I didnt think there was a noise more annoying then an alarm clock, until I had kids | 06:04 |
| rob^ | just having a squiz at kudos, there is some good general stuff in there we could use | 06:05 |
| apokryphos | rob^: yeah, definitely. The guy has very ambitious plans for it | 06:05 |
| rob^ | what like? | 06:05 |
| apokryphos | rob^: unfortunately he's not doing anything for a few weeks because of very serious events in his life :( | 06:06 |
| apokryphos | rob^: full explanations on all the answers, buildscripts for many things etc. etc. | 06:06 |
| rob^ | why does he not just contribute to the docteam with it? | 06:06 |
| apokryphos | rob^: bigger plans, I guess :) | 06:06 |
| rob^ | its GFDL anyway | 06:07 |
| apokryphos | > The thing is, my ultimate focus is on helping with the propagation of Linux among the grand masses. Kubuntu is not an end itself, but a means I've chosen as the platform for this goal. As such, I want to provide an answer for the skill and interest scope of the grand masses (i.e. for people who needs almost every desktop functionality with next to no under-the-hood knowledge). IIRC there are more than 700 million desktop users (accordin | 06:08 |
| apokryphos | prepare a solution that, together with Kubuntu, would appeal to at least 100M of them so much so that they would possibly consider switching from Windows to Linux. Even if I can't succeed, may be I can serve as a "proof of concept" so that more capable ones develop really good solutions for the grand masses. | 06:08 |
| apokryphos | Heh, pretty long it looks there... that's a quote | 06:08 |
| rob^ | yeah | 06:10 |
| rob^ | but like I said, why not get it included in some form or other in the official documentation? | 06:11 |
| rob^ | hes not making money off it. | 06:11 |
| apokryphos | rob^: I don't think that's an issue for him | 06:12 |
| rob^ | yeah thats right | 06:13 |
| rob^ | ah it doesnt matter | 06:13 |
| rob^ | I had better get some sleep. | 06:15 |
| rob^ | night | 06:15 |
| apokryphos | 'night | 06:16 |
| froud | apokryphos: if you would like to contribute to Kubuntu-docs start here http://lnix/~froud | 06:18 |
| apokryphos | froud: unknown host | 06:19 |
| froud | http://lnix.net/~froud/ | 06:20 |
| froud | kubuntu-docs-5.10-0.X_all is uploaded to nightly build system once a week | 06:20 |
| froud | I update the web site whenever there are changes in the src | 06:21 |
| froud | gen 1 a day | 06:21 |
| apokryphos | froud: wow, a lot of great stuff there | 06:23 |
| apokryphos | froud: why isn't that stuff on kubuntu.org? | 06:24 |
| apokryphos | Seems like a shame actually that we have two people both writing such similar stuff and not working together; lot of stuff mentioned in both docs | 06:31 |
| mdke | hi all | 06:32 |
| mdke | apokryphos, i made a /talk page for discussions of that page on the wiki | 06:32 |
| apokryphos | mdke: yeah, dropped a comment instead of going round in circles | 06:33 |
| froud | It will be in time | 06:33 |
| mdke | apokryphos, cool | 06:34 |
| apokryphos | froud: any part you'd recommend me look at/take-a-wack-at-writing-for specifically? :) | 06:34 |
| froud | no there is so much anyone can do, see the K User Guide status report | 06:35 |
| froud | Attention should go on the Kuserguide | 06:35 |
| apokryphos | froud: what's the methodology with i.e. documentation on kicker or other apps etc? Written to supplement the KDE Docs? | 06:36 |
| froud | apokryphos: good question. http://lnix.net/~froud/kuserguide/C/pr01s05.html | 06:38 |
| apokryphos | or a briefer overview? | 06:38 |
| === apokryphos looks | ||
| mdke | apokryphos, by the way you may be able to talk to Seveas about the NewUsersNetworkGuidelines page, I believe he is involved in the project | 06:38 |
| apokryphos | mdke: heh, yeah, I know he's a strong aficionado of anti-ubuntuguidism | 06:39 |
| mdke | i don't know about that | 06:40 |
| apokryphos | I just recall him being among the first telling people not to use it. I think he contacted the author himself; not entirely sure. | 06:40 |
| apokryphos | froud: so the aim is to be Kubuntu based, right? | 06:41 |
| mdke | apokryphos, i don't want to get into that discussion (OT) but I was just pointing you to him because he is involved with the NewUsersNetwork project | 06:41 |
| froud | yes | 06:41 |
| apokryphos | froud: kubuntu-default-settings doesn't alter KDE that much, so there wouldn't be too much to write on just that.. | 06:41 |
| apokryphos | mdke: sure, thanks. | 06:41 |
| froud | kde-settings changes much | 06:42 |
| apokryphos | froud: breezy? | 06:43 |
| apokryphos | I actually think it would be a bad idea to deviate too much from KDE itself... | 06:43 |
| froud | yes see http://lnix.net/~froud/kquickguide/C/ch03s07.html | 06:43 |
| apokryphos | people come to Kubuntu because it attempts to be *the* KDe distro | 06:43 |
| === froud just writes it :-) | ||
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| apokryphos | froud: that would change kcontrol a lot clearly, but not so much kate/kicker etc. | 06:45 |
| apokryphos | froud: sorry, I don't mean to press, just wandering here | 06:45 |
| venda | no good questions | 06:45 |
| mdke | heh | 06:45 |
| venda | very good | 06:45 |
| jjesse | looking at the screen shots i like the system settings a lot better then kcontrol settings | 06:45 |
| apokryphos | looks a lot like a few suggestions that have been put forward on kdelook | 06:46 |
| venda | apokryphos: see http://www.lnix.net/~froud/#devnotes | 06:46 |
| venda | apokryphos: can't say they are definitive, but I have tried to gather from Riddell what will be changing | 06:47 |
| venda | kicker etc remains much the same | 06:47 |
| venda | perhaps a system menu | 06:47 |
| apokryphos | venda: cool, thanks -- a little there, that's good :) | 06:47 |
| venda | apokryphos: venda = froud | 06:48 |
| apokryphos | Is there no estimated time for release for Kapture? Are we gonna have time to go that way? :P | 06:48 |
| venda | apokryphos: no idea | 06:48 |
| apokryphos | venda: oh; thought there were two kubuntu doccers for a sec ;-) | 06:48 |
| venda | I have not heard any news | 06:48 |
| venda | I comment in the status reports | 06:48 |
| apokryphos | right | 06:49 |
| venda | things not sure of or know will change etc | 06:49 |
| venda | much in kubuntu is in flux | 06:49 |
| apokryphos | venda: I think I'll read a bit more to pick up the style then maybe go for some stuff on the ug | 06:49 |
| apokryphos | venda: it's worth noting that my docbook skills are a little primitive, so you may have to bear with me a little at first =) | 06:49 |
| venda | sure, ideas etc all welcome | 06:49 |
| venda | no worries | 06:50 |
| apokryphos | I'll likely start later on today, thanks! :) | 06:50 |
| === apokryphos is off for food now | ||
| venda | if you can checkout from svn, hack, patch it will be good | 06:50 |
| === venda feels hunger pains too | ||
| apokryphos | venda: have some generla knowledge with svn, yup. I'll read up if I can't do any, no problem. | 06:51 |
| venda | k | 06:51 |
| mdke | apokryphos, there is a cool step by step guide on the wiki in the Docteam area | 06:51 |
| mdke | actually | 06:52 |
| mdke | where the hell is it | 06:52 |
| venda | apokryphos: while writing, take into consideration that we have a drop of upstream in the repos | 06:52 |
| venda | this means we can make selective use of docs from KDE | 06:52 |
| mdke | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamStepByStepRepository | 06:52 |
| mdke | ah there it is | 06:53 |
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| venda | pls bring back for the hasty to the home page of the docteam | 06:53 |
| jjesse | quick question, i'm reloading kubuntu on my laptop this weekend, do i stay with hoary release or go to breezy? | 06:54 |
| jjesse | i know that was off topic | 06:54 |
| venda | jjesse: stay hoary and update to kde 3.4.1 | 06:55 |
| jjesse | venda thanks will do | 06:55 |
| venda | deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main | 06:55 |
| venda | breezy is wonky right now | 06:56 |
| venda | better use it under qemu | 06:56 |
| venda | one minute stuff works and next is does not | 06:56 |
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| === mgalvin is eating while reading review ;) | ||
| mgalvin | has there been any word on commit access for rob^, myself, and the others who have been submitting patches lately | 07:29 |
| venda | I did ping mdz | 07:30 |
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| abelli | ciao | 08:31 |
| mdke | ciao abelli | 08:35 |
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| rob^ | the meeting is at 2200z right? | 12:03 |
| judax | I was just going to ask that, I have 2203UTC | 12:03 |
| rob^ | ditto | 12:03 |
| judax | mdke: ping | 12:04 |
| mdke | argh | 12:04 |
| mdke | good point | 12:04 |
| rob^ | :) | 12:04 |
| judax | hehe | 12:04 |
| rob^ | o.O | 12:05 |
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