[03:19] <moebius_> is ubuntujava.yimports.com discontinued?
[03:19] <moebius_> one mirror is gone and the other won't allow login
[03:30] <wasabi> Pssh.
[03:31] <wasabi> We are unrelated to that project.
[03:31] <moebius_> well, I know they are not an official ubuntu thing
[03:31] <moebius_> but I thought you might be somewhat aware of their status since they are in the same area
[03:31] <wasabi> I had no idea they existed until you pasted that link.
[03:32] <moebius_> ah
[03:32] <moebius_> it's the first thing that comes up in google for "ubuntu java"
[03:32] <moebius_> and it was references on ubuntuguide.com (I know, also not official)
[03:32] <moebius_> er, referenced
[03:32] <wasabi> I dunno what this guy offers that we don't, other than a prepackaged Sun.
[03:33] <wasabi> Which isn't THAT hard to do yourself.
[03:33] <moebius_> but most of the official java stuff isn't in hoary
[03:33] <moebius_> which I gather his packages are available for
[03:33] <wasabi> true
[03:33] <moebius_> although I'm not sure since I can't get into the repositories
[03:34] <moebius_> but if they are down I guess I can try apt pinning
[03:34] <wasabi> Heh. THis is that project run by that guy who said we should package sUn's jdk.
[03:34] <wasabi> and tried to creatively ignore the license issues.
[03:35] <moebius_> isn't there an official 1.5.0 package?
[03:35] <wasabi> For Sun?
[03:35] <wasabi> No.
[03:35] <moebius_> at least, something I read about in backports
[03:36] <wasabi> Those guys are also creatively ignoring the license.
[03:36] <moebius_> well, semi-official I should say
[03:36] <wasabi> ie not "official
[03:36] <moebius_> that's the fun thing about ubuntu, like debian
[03:36] <moebius_> the levels of "officialness"
[03:36] <moebius_> not to knock it since I understand the issues behind it
[03:37] <moebius_> but it makes the symantecs annoying sometimes
[03:37] <wasabi> Whatcha mean? The fact that there are third parties?
[03:37] <wasabi> There will always be third parties.
[03:38] <moebius_> I mean regarding how some are official ubuntu supported
[03:38] <moebius_> and some are ubuntu packaged but not supported
[03:38] <moebius_> and some are packaged but restricted and unsupported
[03:38] <wasabi> Hmm. I can download Windows software packaged in .exe's from download.com
[03:39] <wasabi> Those aren't supported by MS. ;)
[03:39] <moebius_> I understand the whole issues
[03:39] <moebius_> it just sometimes makes it annoying when you're trying to talk about what is an "official" ubuntu package
[03:39] <wasabi> It's official if you can find it in archive.ubuntu.com
[03:40] <wasabi> It's supported if you can find it in main.
[03:40] <jbailey> g'm Jerry
[03:40] <wasabi> mornin
[03:40] <moebius_> like how Debian has non-free stuff on servers but they carefully explain how it is there strictly as a convenience and should in no way be misconstrued to be a part of the Debian project proper, etc
[03:45] <moebius_> apt-get -t breezy install eclipse-platform
[03:45] <moebius_> here goes...
[03:51] <wasabi> I mihg tnot recommend you do that. ;)
[03:52] <wasabi> I don't know what other things it will pull in.
[03:52] <wasabi> Maybe libc or something crazy
[03:53] <moebius_> hmm
[03:53] <moebius_> good point.
[03:53] <wasabi> if anything, you can recompile it.
[03:56] <moebius_> is apt-source up to snuff nowadays?
[03:56] <wasabi> always has been
[03:56] <wasabi> err
[03:56] <wasabi> apt-source? dunno
[03:56] <wasabi> apt-get source yes!
[03:57] <moebius_> hmm I guess that's it
[03:57] <moebius_> it's been a good while since I used Debian
[03:57] <moebius_> there was a lot of working going on to try to make source installs as easy as binary installs
[03:58] <jbailey> I think apt-get -b source ...  will download and build it for you.
[03:59] <jbailey> If you do a wrapper around gcc you can do ccache, tweak options, etc.
[03:59] <jbailey> Just have to be a bit careful then when doing an update, since with the md5sum mismatch, apt might attempt to get the pure version from the archive again.
[04:00] <moebius_> well I have breezy pinned to 10
[04:00] <moebius_> so as far as I gather it shouldn't pull in anything from breezy unless I tell it to explicitly