| SloMoSnail | when i updated a universe package to compile with gcc 4.0 (no c++ problem, it's a plain c program) shall I create a bugreport at bugzilla or launchpad with the debdiff? | 12:21 |
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| comadreja | SloMoSnail : afaik, if it's universe, and no cxxtransition... should go to revu | 12:24 |
| comadreja | but don't trust me :) | 12:24 |
| sistpoty | i agree -> revu, but don't trust me either ;) | 12:25 |
| SloMoSnail | well, ogra said this morning that transitions don't go to revu and cxxtransition goes to bugzilla ;) but what about this? | 12:27 |
| comadreja | yes, transitions go to bugzilla | 12:27 |
| comadreja | but afaiu that is not a transition | 12:28 |
| comadreja | I mean, the wiki only talks about cxxtransition, and motuglutransition | 12:28 |
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| Lathiat | SloMoSnail: what changes were needed? | 12:28 |
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| comadreja | Lathiat : did you solve the pbuilder problem ? | 12:30 |
| Lathiat | comadreja: yeh i got someone elses base.tgz :) | 12:30 |
| comadreja | damn | 12:30 |
| comadreja | they've gotta solve that asap | 12:30 |
| SloMoSnail | Lathiat: just a one-liner... a missing semicolon ;) siretat said i should make a bugreport for that but he didn't say where... | 12:31 |
| Lathiat | yeh | 12:31 |
| Lathiat | SloMoSnail: malone | 12:31 |
| Lathiat | i assume | 12:31 |
| seth_k | Lathiat: feel free to point other people at that base.tgz if they need it; i have bandwidth to burn | 12:31 |
| SloMoSnail | ogra: ping? | 12:31 |
| comadreja | seth_k: I need it | 12:31 |
| Lathiat | seth_k: ok | 12:31 |
| seth_k | comadreja: http://sethkinast.com/ubuntu/breezy/ | 12:32 |
| comadreja | thanks :) | 12:32 |
| seth_k | not a problem :D | 12:32 |
| pef | good night ! | 12:41 |
| comadreja | nite :) | 12:42 |
| havoc | where would I find (online) a list of all ubuntu packages? | 12:49 |
| havoc | (that may be a stupid question) | 12:49 |
| havoc | nm: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components | 12:50 |
| havoc | nope, that's not it | 12:51 |
| ajmitch | packages.ubuntu.com | 12:51 |
| havoc | thanx | 12:51 |
| ajmitch | not a list, but you can look them up there | 12:51 |
| havoc | hey, another familiar person | 12:51 |
| havoc | ajmitch: hi :) | 12:51 |
| ajmitch | or you could just grab the Packages.bz2 off the mirror | 12:51 |
| ajmitch | hi :) | 12:51 |
| havoc | a lot of gnue ppl here it seems | 12:52 |
| dredg | apt-cache pkgnames | 12:52 |
| havoc | ok, LTSP *is* included in ubutu | 12:52 |
| havoc | ubuntu | 12:53 |
| havoc | dredg: I needed an online/web listing | 12:53 |
| schweeb | havoc: yes, it's actually being developed on ubuntu now, iirc | 12:53 |
| havoc | schweeb: ah, cool | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | havoc: sure, I maintain the gnue packages for debian/ubuntu :) | 12:53 |
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| havoc | I'm putting together a report for a client for a 'linux office' in which I'm going to recommend LTSP on ubuntu | 12:54 |
| schweeb | I haven't heard much from the local LTSP guy lately... but I'm pretty sure that was the plan... Jim was his name I believe | 12:54 |
| havoc | or standalone ubuntu | 12:54 |
| schweeb | ajmitch probably met him | 12:54 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 12:54 |
| havoc | but there's still much I'm trying to learn about both | 12:54 |
| ajmitch | I don't think I talked to him much | 12:54 |
| schweeb | whiprush usually does | 12:55 |
| schweeb | but whip was probably busy humping some GNOME guys' legs | 12:55 |
| ajmitch | haha | 12:55 |
| havoc | posibbly OT, but can LTSP thin-clients handle local USB/serial/parallel/firewire and audio connections? | 12:55 |
| schweeb | audio yes... parallel, I believe so | 12:55 |
| schweeb | USB/serial/firewire not so sure | 12:56 |
| havoc | I'd assume it would have to somehow | 12:56 |
| schweeb | if it's not supported, it's in the works | 12:56 |
| schweeb | well... | 12:56 |
| schweeb | problem is | 12:56 |
| havoc | I asked in #ltsp and am waiting | 12:56 |
| havoc | ...patiently | 12:56 |
| schweeb | USB devices would have to be shared back to the LTSP server via SAMBA | 12:56 |
| schweeb | or NFS | 12:56 |
| havoc | ah | 12:56 |
| schweeb | afaik | 12:56 |
| havoc | basically I was contracted to write this report/proposal, and if it's accepted I will also be charged with designing/building everything | 12:57 |
| havoc | cuz apparently I'm the only person my client knows who's capable of doing research and RTFM :) | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | what sort of usb/firewire/etc things did you need? | 12:58 |
| havoc | which is a good thing since it pays my mortgage | 12:58 |
| havoc | ajmitch: nothing specific, I just need to know what all the capabilities of LTSP are | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | right | 12:58 |
| havoc | e.g. can an office worker hook up their USB key/drive or MP3 player to their thin-client workstation? | 12:59 |
| havoc | *I* will get asked questions like that by my client's clients, and I'd like to have an answer one way or the other | 12:59 |
| havoc | I need to offer 2 possible configurations, standalone workstations, and thin-clients | 01:01 |
| SloMoSnail | gn8 | 01:01 |
| havoc | (or a combination) | 01:01 |
| havoc | I fgure ubuntu is a good choice in all cases | 01:01 |
| havoc | figure | 01:01 |
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| ajmitch | looks like some people have done work on supporting local usb sticks, etc | 01:02 |
| havoc | just need to beef up my "objective" arguments for ubuntu vs. FC, and more specifically Debian | 01:02 |
| havoc | so far I have "Consistent, reliable release schedule" and "Available commercial support" | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | the ubuntu vs debian controversy :) | 01:03 |
| havoc | ajmitch: I personally could care less about "Holy wars", but I do need to provide some arguments | 01:04 |
| havoc | since these people are mostly debian users | 01:04 |
| ajmitch | it's not a holy war by any means | 01:04 |
| havoc | also, they are not likely to go for RHEL due to cost, their clients may ask about it | 01:04 |
| havoc | ajmitch: ah | 01:05 |
| ajmitch | but the support & reliable release schedule is defeinitely important for businesses | 01:05 |
| havoc | to me distros/editors/languages are nothing more than "tools" | 01:05 |
| ajmitch | especially with the 5-year support by the ubuntu foundation recently announced for 6.04 | 01:05 |
| havoc | as long as they do what I need them to do I'm happy | 01:05 |
| schweeb | havoc: even with full out clients, users could still connect to the LTSP server using XDMCP and such | 01:06 |
| havoc | ajmitch: specifics? | 01:06 |
| havoc | schweeb: yeah | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/UbuntuFoundation | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | mainly directed at servers | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | which is where you're possibly looking | 01:06 |
| havoc | ajmitch: ah, you mean maintenance on the distro, not 'user support' | 01:07 |
| ajmitch | havoc: yes, I'm guessing that user support would still be 18-months for main | 01:07 |
| havoc | ajmitch: and paid, right? | 01:07 |
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| havoc | that's a detail for later in the report anyway | 01:08 |
| ajmitch | I'm not entirely clear on the support structure | 01:08 |
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| havoc | I'd much rather be building a house than doing this :( | 01:08 |
| havoc | heh, jbailey? | 01:08 |
| havoc | that jeff? | 01:09 |
| ajmitch | havoc: remember that packages in universe get security & critical bugfixes on a best-effort basis at the moment | 01:09 |
| ajmitch | yep | 01:09 |
| havoc | ok | 01:09 |
| havoc | I was talking with him earlier | 01:09 |
| havoc | I've been picking everyones' brains quite a bit in the past 48hrs. or so | 01:09 |
| ajmitch | heh | 01:10 |
| tseng | anyone have enemy territory mirror? | 01:10 |
| ajmitch | I think jeff knows the most about support | 01:10 |
| havoc | it's 'research' :) | 01:10 |
| tseng | i am capped at 50k | 01:10 |
| havoc | I've got like 50 web browsers open right now and am on a ton of channels | 01:11 |
| ajmitch | and what attracted you to the motu channel of all places? | 01:11 |
| havoc | and have been trying to help chillywilly with some routing issues | 01:11 |
| havoc | ajmitch: I hate 'user' channels; I don't need to know *how* to do things, I need to know how things *work* | 01:12 |
| ajmitch | :) | 01:12 |
| havoc | i.e. how is the distro produced/maintained | 01:12 |
| tseng | read as much as you can on the wiki | 01:12 |
| havoc | I can RTFM to figure out how to do things (most of the time) | 01:12 |
| havoc | :) | 01:12 |
| tseng | developers are an expensive resources | 01:12 |
| ajmitch | well we get work dumped on us (eg moving to g++ 4.0), and go out & do it | 01:12 |
| havoc | well you may end up with some more help if I get this contract | 01:13 |
| ajmitch | and sometimes we get to do our own thing | 01:13 |
| ajmitch | great | 01:13 |
| tseng | contract/ | 01:13 |
| havoc | I've got a ton of disparate machines I maintain right now that I'll be slowly migrating to ubuntu over the next year (thanx to chillywilly) | 01:14 |
| tseng | i see. | 01:14 |
| havoc | running various distros | 01:14 |
| havoc | at which point I will have a vested interest in ubuntu | 01:14 |
| havoc | I'm actually setting up 2 1.2TB RAID5 machines this week that I'm planning on doing with ubuntu | 01:15 |
| havoc | got the drives today | 01:15 |
| havoc | 3.2TB of disk space currently in my possession :) | 01:15 |
| havoc | 8 400GB Seagate Baracudas | 01:16 |
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| ajmitch | nice | 01:16 |
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| sistpoty | gn8 all | 01:17 |
| havoc | $2144 from newegg | 01:17 |
| havoc | night | 01:17 |
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| havoc | they are actually going to be fileservers for a mac network running netatalk | 01:18 |
| havoc | the current machine is runnging a very old version of mandrake | 01:18 |
| jbailey | ajmitch: Oy? | 01:20 |
| havoc | jbailey: hi | 01:20 |
| jbailey | havoc: Heya | 01:20 |
| havoc | so what kind of help does ubuntu typically need? | 01:23 |
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| ajmitch | hi jbailey | 01:25 |
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| ajmitch | havoc: the MOTUs in particular need packaging help to maintain universe | 01:26 |
| ajmitch | we have a constant stream of work | 01:26 |
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| havoc | ajmitch: so taking releases from app developers and ubuntu/apt-ifying them? | 01:27 |
| ajmitch | eg wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | 01:27 |
| ajmitch | havoc: that, and fixing up the existing packages | 01:27 |
| havoc | right | 01:28 |
| ajmitch | eg when we moved to gcc/g++ 4.0, all the c++ libraries had to be renamed, many patched | 01:28 |
| comadreja | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps | 01:28 |
| comadreja | regarding that, race compiles with pbuilder | 01:29 |
| comadreja | should it be rebuilt ? | 01:29 |
| ajmitch | or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition | 01:29 |
| comadreja | and how do I request a rebuild ? | 01:29 |
| ajmitch | we upload a package with a build1 suffix | 01:30 |
| ajmitch | eg race 1.2-3 becomes 1.2-3buil1 | 01:30 |
| comadreja | to revu ? | 01:30 |
| ajmitch | if it's only a changelog entry, then it's not needed | 01:31 |
| ajmitch | since there's nothing to review :) | 01:31 |
| ajmitch | I think just put it on a list of packages to be rebuilt | 01:31 |
| comadreja | but I have no upload privileges , I can only upload to revu | 01:31 |
| comadreja | where's that list ? | 01:31 |
| ajmitch | make a note on MOTUGLUTransition - if it really doesn't need the build-deps changed | 01:34 |
| comadreja | ok | 01:35 |
| comadreja | it has clanlib-dev in the build-deps, that should be libclanlib-dev , right ? | 01:39 |
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| ajmitch | libclanlib-dev provides clanlib-dev | 01:39 |
| comadreja | oops | 01:40 |
| ajmitch | but since it's virtual, I think it can be changed | 01:40 |
| comadreja | where do you see all that ? | 01:40 |
| comadreja | race_0.7.0-10build1 this version is then... 0.7.0-10ubuntu1 ? | 01:41 |
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| ajmitch | yes, since you're making changes | 01:42 |
| comadreja | one funny question (for me): if it were 0.7.0-10ubuntu1 and needed a rebuild, how would it be called ? | 01:44 |
| ajmitch | clean way would be -10ubuntu2, not sure if they'd go for that though :) | 01:45 |
| comadreja | :) | 01:46 |
| comadreja | the debian policy manual doesn't say anything about virtual packages on build-depends | 01:50 |
| comadreja | oh, yes | 01:51 |
| comadreja | seems that the virtualpackage is prefered, but I don't know if in this case it is because a transition | 01:52 |
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| comadreja | Lathiat : ping | 04:05 |
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| whiprush | tseng: around? | 04:45 |
| tseng | no | 04:45 |
| whiprush | heh | 04:45 |
| whiprush | the muine scrobbler plugin still stuck in new? | 04:46 |
| tseng | it was never in new | 04:46 |
| whiprush | oh | 04:46 |
| whiprush | thought you packaged it. | 04:46 |
| tseng | i did | 04:46 |
| tseng | but, muine is still randomly crashing | 04:46 |
| tseng | and my motivation is vanished | 04:46 |
| whiprush | oh oh | 04:47 |
| tseng | yay for gtk-sharp2 api instability | 04:47 |
| StoneTable | elmo is in charge of syncs with debian, right? | 04:47 |
| whiprush | heh | 04:47 |
| tseng | StoneTable: yes | 04:47 |
| StoneTable | thanks | 04:47 |
| === schweeb sets tseng on fire again | ||
| === tseng sets schweeb on dead | ||
| whiprush | burn mono boy! burn! | 04:49 |
| schweeb | detroit what | 04:49 |
| schweeb | :p | 04:49 |
| schweeb | whiprush: heh, I haven't used that Hula at all yet | 04:50 |
| whiprush | I can make you an account. Not from home yet though | 04:50 |
| tseng | whiprush: make me one | 04:50 |
| tseng | whiprush: kthx | 04:50 |
| whiprush | tseng: right. | 04:50 |
| tseng | is it with the new interface crack? | 04:50 |
| whiprush | it's kind of ironic, using imap4 in evolution doesn't work with hula's imap at all. | 04:51 |
| tseng | blargh | 04:51 |
| whiprush | it's the original interface, the new uber stuff gasman was talking about on lugradio isn't checked in yet. | 04:51 |
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| tseng | and pix | 04:51 |
| === schweeb owns a 2500 | ||
| schweeb | a PIX would be nice | 04:52 |
| whiprush | tseng: I haven't been keeping up on the mono list, 1.2 for breezy doable? | 04:52 |
| tseng | no | 04:52 |
| tseng | they are fucking me | 04:52 |
| whiprush | dang. | 04:52 |
| schweeb | take your fucking like a woman, and pkg 1.2 for breezy, bitch | 04:52 |
| tseng | yeah, right | 04:53 |
| tseng | after release | 04:53 |
| schweeb | otherwise someone will make a *gasp* backport | 04:53 |
| tseng | that someone will be in violation of very clear rules regarding official backport and quickly correct it | 04:53 |
| schweeb | heh | 04:54 |
| tseng | or alternatively be flamed on a daily basis | 04:54 |
| whiprush | so you'll ship a 1.1.x? No 1.0.x I hope? | 04:54 |
| tseng | 1.1.x | 04:54 |
| tseng | things might start being demoted soon | 04:54 |
| whiprush | fspot, tomboy, and beagle. that's all we need. | 04:54 |
| tseng | not in main you dont | 04:54 |
| tseng | it makes no difference to me at this point | 04:54 |
| tseng | I cant "support" monodevelop as is | 04:55 |
| whiprush | will any of it be in main? | 04:55 |
| tseng | so the whole thing might as well be demoted | 04:55 |
| tseng | nothing | 04:55 |
| StoneTable | :( | 04:55 |
| whiprush | has MD even released lately? | 04:55 |
| tseng | yes | 04:55 |
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| schweeb | why would monodevelop make any difference? it's not part of the base mono distribution, is it? | 04:55 |
| tseng | eh | 04:56 |
| tseng | ok, the key rationale for mono in main is MD and beagle | 04:56 |
| Jogariga | hi guys. I have read a good deal of info on packaging | 04:56 |
| tseng | beagle isnt ready | 04:56 |
| tseng | and md depends on gtk-sharp2, which is basically unsupportable | 04:56 |
| Jogariga | and i would like to see if you guys could help me with some guidance | 04:56 |
| schweeb | bleh | 04:56 |
| tseng | Jogariga: yes? | 04:56 |
| whiprush | beagle tops out at about 48 hours for me, then it gets all "I want all your memory." | 04:56 |
| schweeb | one would think the point of having mono in main is so mono apps would be supported | 04:57 |
| tseng | yeah, what apps | 04:57 |
| schweeb | even if all apps are in universe | 04:57 |
| ajmitch | whiprush: takes about 10 minutes to do that to me | 04:57 |
| tseng | i cant put any of them in main | 04:57 |
| ajmitch | whiprush: although last time I tried was 0.0.10 or so | 04:57 |
| tseng | meh, what difference does it make at that point | 04:57 |
| schweeb | at least people would have mono oob | 04:57 |
| whiprush | ajmitch: .11 was an improvement, haven't tried .12 yet | 04:57 |
| tseng | just puts a burden on me to support bugs after release | 04:57 |
| schweeb | and be able to download/apt-get their own shit | 04:57 |
| whiprush | either way ... we're out of time. | 04:57 |
| Jogariga | tseng: what should i do next to start maintaining a package | 04:58 |
| tseng | universe is fine | 04:58 |
| tseng | Jogariga: erm | 04:58 |
| tseng | Jogariga: pick a package. | 04:58 |
| schweeb | you are weak, tseng | 04:58 |
| tseng | fix a bug, upload your source to revu ( see topic ) | 04:58 |
| tseng | schweeb: YOU ARE A GIRL | 04:58 |
| tseng | <3 | 04:58 |
| Jogariga | tseng: where can i check to see if it is already on ubuntu? | 04:58 |
| tseng | Jogariga: packages.ubuntu.com | 04:58 |
| whiprush | tseng: I suppose breezy+1 will be your sweet spot then. :-/ | 04:59 |
| Jogariga | tseng: ok | 04:59 |
| tseng | whiprush: damn right, ill be busting heads | 04:59 |
| Jogariga | tseng: do you know if there's a list of packages that need to be maintained on ubuntu and nobody is doing it | 04:59 |
| tseng | Jogariga: there are thousands | 05:00 |
| whiprush | It's unfortunate, I wanted to see fspot replace gthumb for breezy. | 05:00 |
| tseng | Jogariga: take a wild guess and ill tell you | 05:00 |
| whiprush | would have been nice | 05:00 |
| tseng | whiprush: meh. | 05:00 |
| tseng | you can apt-get it | 05:00 |
| tseng | no big loss | 05:00 |
| Jogariga | tseng: ok i'll start looking | 05:01 |
| whiprush | tseng: just ship it before NLD10. :p Or I kill you. | 05:01 |
| Jogariga | tseng: thanks for your help | 05:01 |
| tseng | Jogariga: nps. ignore these other nutjobs | 05:01 |
| tseng | whiprush: NLD, that doesnt count as a distro | 05:01 |
| Jogariga | tseng: what nutjobs? | 05:01 |
| tseng | Jogariga: schweeb. | 05:01 |
| Jogariga | tseng: ok lol | 05:02 |
| schweeb | Jogariga: ignore tseng, he's a slut | 05:03 |
| schweeb | too weak willed to put mono in main... | 05:03 |
| whiprush | tseng: don't worry dude, I still fanboi you dude. | 05:04 |
| tseng | whiprush: rock on. | 05:04 |
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| whiprush | well, at least inotify is upstream now, one less thing. | 05:04 |
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| whiprush | tseng: are you familiar with this libbeagle thing? | 05:13 |
| whiprush | and how it relates to "nautilus integration"? | 05:13 |
| tseng | uh | 05:14 |
| tseng | not so much | 05:14 |
| tseng | but the idea for nautilus is vfolders based on searches | 05:14 |
| whiprush | also, you're due to blog. :) | 05:14 |
| tseng | i am | 05:14 |
| tseng | but ive got nothing. | 05:14 |
| tseng | sorry | 05:14 |
| whiprush | how about a mono update? | 05:14 |
| tseng | it would be too angry | 05:14 |
| whiprush | lol | 05:14 |
| tseng | I could blog a recent CD | 05:15 |
| tseng | but that doesnt interest many people | 05:15 |
| crimsun | that's pretty much why I don't bother blogging | 05:17 |
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| crimsun | no one wants to read my drivel about practising or music | 05:18 |
| tseng | eh | 05:18 |
| ajmitch | anything I'd blog wouldn't be of interest to people reading planet ubuntu | 05:18 |
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| ajmitch | so I'm not on there | 05:18 |
| tseng | 419 unique vistors to my site this month | 05:18 |
| tseng | and i havent made a single new post | 05:18 |
| tseng | i guess they are all hoping for something | 05:18 |
| crimsun | plus I'm supar-emo and that's the new pink!@ | 05:18 |
| tseng | crimsun: ... | 05:18 |
| tseng | i just died inside | 05:18 |
| tseng | (sorry) | 05:18 |
| whiprush | yeah dude, really. | 05:20 |
| tseng | hxc4life | 05:21 |
| tseng | whiprush brings the metal | 05:21 |
| === whiprush puts on some linkin park for crimsun. | ||
| tseng | whiprush: did you dig the Beloved? | 05:21 |
| whiprush | yeah, I dug it | 05:21 |
| whiprush | that Bachman Turner stuff is cool though | 05:22 |
| tseng | indeed | 05:22 |
| crimsun | I have no idea what "emo" is. People are polemic about it, though. It's either the greatest thing or it blows chunks. | 05:22 |
| tseng | did you get The Black Dahlia Murder? | 05:22 |
| whiprush | tseng: usually on thursdays I cast a metal show for ars, but it's down at the moment. :-/ | 05:23 |
| whiprush | nope | 05:23 |
| tseng | crimsun: ok, take a decent modern "punk" band | 05:23 |
| tseng | crimsun: slow it down and subtract talent and rawness | 05:23 |
| tseng | crimsun: and add a singer who whines like a girl | 05:23 |
| tseng | recipe for emo | 05:23 |
| crimsun | pretty grim | 05:23 |
| whiprush | http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Emo | 05:24 |
| tseng | if you are really massochistic | 05:24 |
| tseng | you can let the whiney frontman try to do hardcore vocals | 05:24 |
| tseng | w/o any form of transition | 05:24 |
| crimsun | ok now I feel really old | 05:25 |
| tseng | but the fashion stuff they have on there applies to hardcore kids too | 05:25 |
| tseng | so i cant make too much fun | 05:25 |
| Jogariga | what's the most comprehensive guide to packaging programs? | 05:47 |
| schweeb | Jogariga: Debian New Maintainer's Guide | 05:48 |
| schweeb | tseng: masochistic, you barbarian | 05:48 |
| Jogariga | schweeb: ok thanks | 05:49 |
| Jogariga | can someone help me with figuring out the libs i need for a package? | 06:09 |
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| jsgotangco | hi | 07:28 |
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| niran | does anyone know any details about how the official backports are going to work? | 07:43 |
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| niran | i.e., is it going to be a separate repo like it is now, or another section of the normal repositories like universe | 07:43 |
| sivang | morning folks | 07:45 |
| === sivang is in for some work on the xlib-mesa transition | ||
| sivang | Where can I find a list of packages already fixed so I won't redo work? | 07:45 |
| ajmitch | MOTUGLUTransition? | 07:57 |
| Lathiat | sivang: yeh, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition | 07:58 |
| Lathiat | sivang: if your working on something, just put the appropriate comment on the right package | 07:58 |
| sivang | Lathiat: ok, thanks | 07:58 |
| sivang | Lathiat: you also helping on that? | 07:59 |
| Lathiat | sivang: yep | 07:59 |
| Lathiat | ive tried to mark off all other things affecting those packages as i could find | 07:59 |
| Lathiat | probably missed some tho | 07:59 |
| sivang | Lathiat: sooner or later, somebody would hit them and we'll know it :-) | 07:59 |
| Lathiat | just thought i'd save people some time :) | 08:00 |
| Lathiat | like the sdl ones are useless until its fixed cus you cant build them | 08:00 |
| Lathiat | this is a great chance to try the games out ;) | 08:00 |
| Lathiat | haha, i can find me some good games | 08:01 |
| sivang | Lathiat: hehe | 08:03 |
| sivang | Lathiat: anyway, that's a very nice list there, nice to see it's all arranged | 08:03 |
| sivang | Lathiat: will make working easier | 08:04 |
| Lathiat | yep :) | 08:04 |
| sivang | btw, sirestart suggested to use dctrl something to find the need fixing packages (I have the line on my logs) | 08:04 |
| sivang | the snippet on that wiki page is better? | 08:04 |
| Lathiat | umm | 08:05 |
| Lathiat | dunno | 08:05 |
| Lathiat | thats just my own hackery | 08:05 |
| Lathiat | dont know hwo to use dctrl :P) | 08:05 |
| Lathiat | s/P// | 08:05 |
| sivang | Lathiat: neither do i :-) | 08:05 |
| Lathiat | yhm | 08:06 |
| Lathiat | if a package just needs a rebuild | 08:06 |
| Lathiat | what do i do | 08:06 |
| Lathiat | put 'build1' on the end | 08:06 |
| sivang | what's build1 ? | 08:06 |
| Lathiat | and put a changelog entry of * Rebuild for new glu packages ? | 08:06 |
| Lathiat | sivang: well, thats what err,... doko? did for some cxx stuff ro whatever that needed rebuilding | 08:06 |
| sivang | Lathiat: is that a special way to tell the buildd to rebuild it? | 08:07 |
| sivang | (where do you specify it anyways) | 08:07 |
| ajmitch | yes | 08:07 |
| ajmitch | in the changelog | 08:07 |
| sivang | phee, the stuff you learn here | 08:07 |
| sivang | :-) | 08:07 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: yeh but what version do i do, increment the ubuntu version or add build1? | 08:07 |
| ajmitch | :) | 08:07 |
| ajmitch | Lathiat: ahh... I'd go with increment ubuntu version to avoid -XubuntuYbuildZ, but that's just my opinion | 08:08 |
| Lathiat | well thats what i'd do too | 08:08 |
| Lathiat | what if it has no ubuntu version yet | 08:08 |
| ajmitch | then put XbuildY | 08:08 |
| Lathiat | so 1.42-2 -> 1.4.2-build1 | 08:08 |
| sivang | ajmitch: why do you need to avoid -XubuntuYbuildZ ? | 08:08 |
| Lathiat | err, 1.42-2build1 | 08:08 |
| ajmitch | sivang: mainly because it's rather ugly | 08:08 |
| ajmitch | sivang: apart from that, no reason | 08:09 |
| ajmitch | and XubuntuY revisions should be kept for packaging changes only | 08:09 |
| ajmitch | so I can't say what is acceptable :) | 08:09 |
| Lathiat | assumedly | 08:09 |
| ajmitch | Lathiat: yeah, just add build1 | 08:09 |
| Lathiat | 1.42-2build1 < 1.42-2ubuntu1 | 08:09 |
| Lathiat | if changes are made later | 08:09 |
| Lathiat | ugh | 08:17 |
| Lathiat | my debdiff just picked up changes to config.guess and config.sub | 08:18 |
| Lathiat | what do i do abou ttha | 08:18 |
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| Lathiat | not that they seem recent, theyre timestamped 2005-04-22 | 08:19 |
| sivang | Lathiat: you can either use vim to remove them, | 08:43 |
| sivang | Lathiat: but when it happened to me - I just unpacked a new source pkg, | 08:43 |
| Lathiat | sivang: im just wondering where they came from | 08:43 |
| Lathiat | since i didnt actually run a build or anything | 08:43 |
| Lathiat | and the timestamp isnt today | 08:43 |
| sivang | Lathiat: copied a presaved copy of the hacked files in | 08:44 |
| sivang | Lathiat: and it solved it | 08:44 |
| sivang | Lathiat: I know, there is some nonsense going on with those files when you test build | 08:44 |
| Lathiat | all i did was modify control and run debuild -S <-- is that wrong? | 08:44 |
| sivang | Lathiat: debuild -S might have triggered autotools invokation | 08:44 |
| Lathiat | then ran it through pbuild after | 08:44 |
| Lathiat | sivang: ah, possible i guess | 08:44 |
| Lathiat | maybe this packages make clean target sucks | 08:45 |
| sivang | Lathiat: pitti just uses some vim command to take off all the autocrap, I myself just make my hacked files, put therem somewhere safe, get a new fresh source pkg which was never test built, | 08:45 |
| sivang | Lathiat: make clean not always work, that is most of the times it don't :-) | 08:45 |
| Lathiat | sivang: s/make clean/debian clean | 08:45 |
| Treenaks | sivang: scary, that | 08:46 |
| sivang | Lathiat: and with the fresh package copy in my files, and then my patches went down from ~500lines to the actual amount | 08:46 |
| Lathiat | sivang: what are you using to generate the debdiff | 08:46 |
| Lathiat | like im using the .dscs after a debuild | 08:46 |
| sivang | Kaloz: debdiff | 08:46 |
| sivang | oops | 08:46 |
| sivang | Lathiat: debiff follwoing the dsc files | 08:46 |
| sivang | Lathiat: that is, the two dsc files, the original, and my created onw | 08:46 |
| sivang | Lathiat: let me recall | 08:47 |
| Lathiat | and what are you using to generate the dsc ? | 08:47 |
| === sivang is checking notes | ||
| Lathiat | and for my next trick, it doesnt actually build | 08:47 |
| Lathiat | ./libz.a(gzio.o): In function `gz_open': | 08:47 |
| Lathiat | gzio.c:(.text+0x282): undefined reference to `errno' | 08:47 |
| Lathiat | yay :) | 08:47 |
| Lathiat | heh | 08:47 |
| sivang | Lathiat: you should also have interdiff , which debdiff uses | 08:50 |
| sivang | Lathiat: so just install it | 08:50 |
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| sivang | 16:25 <pitti> debdiff works between two *.dsc files | 08:51 |
| sivang | 16:25 <pitti> (or *.deb files, but that's an entirely different feature) | 08:51 |
| sivang | 16:25 <sivang> can we talk about it in 30 minutes? | 08:51 |
| sivang | 16:25 <pitti> debdiff g-s-t_latest_hoary.dsc g-s-t_sivans-crack.dsc | 08:51 |
| sivang | Lathiat: sivans_crack being the new produced .dsc after building the source pkg | 08:51 |
| sivang | or , rebuilding it for that matter | 08:51 |
| Lathiat | right, thats what i was doing | 08:52 |
| Lathiat | im just wondering how to get a .dsc without debuild -S | 08:52 |
| sivang | Lathiat: don't think you can | 08:52 |
| Treenaks | Lathiat: dpkg-buildpackage -S :P | 08:52 |
| Lathiat | Treenaks: ha ha | 08:52 |
| Treenaks | maybe dpkg-source ? | 08:52 |
| Lathiat | right, doesnt matter | 08:52 |
| Lathiat | i'll just hand craft them | 08:52 |
| sivang | Treenaks: that's the same, but won't run lintian afterwards and debuild does | 08:52 |
| Treenaks | sivang: I do so manually anyway | 08:53 |
| sivang | Lathiat: you don't need to hand craft them | 08:53 |
| Lathiat | sivang: seems about as much effort | 08:53 |
| sivang | Lathiat: try with a fresh source, put in your hacked files, and debuild -S -uc -us | 08:53 |
| sivang | Lathiat: well, deos the package use dpatch, or cdbs-simple-patchsys ? | 08:53 |
| Lathiat | no | 08:54 |
| sivang | Lathiat: erm, then try the fresh soource pkg approach, always worked for me :-) | 08:54 |
| HostingGeek | Hi | 08:56 |
| HostingGeek | I would like to make a deb for gajim.org/ | 08:56 |
| HostingGeek | Who can put in debian for me? | 08:56 |
| === Lathiat takes his rocket launcher and aims at HostingGeek | ||
| HostingGeek | I hear its already in debian | 08:57 |
| HostingGeek | someone bring it to ubuntu | 08:57 |
| HostingGeek | Its the best app ever | 08:57 |
| Lathiat | sivang: so, you mean by replacing the sourcedir with anew one | 08:57 |
| Lathiat | sivang: e.g. rm-rf xt-0.9.1; apt-get source xt again | 08:57 |
| sivang | Lathiat: yes, and just replace the files you hacked on | 09:00 |
| sivang | Lathiat: if you did any source changes anyway | 09:00 |
| Lathiat | sivang: right, i didnt | 09:00 |
| Lathiat | apart from changelo | 09:00 |
| Lathiat | gand if i do that | 09:00 |
| Lathiat | the diff still has crap in it | 09:00 |
| sivang | Lathiat: how did you add the changlog entries? | 09:00 |
| Lathiat | sivang: dch | 09:01 |
| sivang | Lathiat: interesting, what is the paackage name? | 09:01 |
| Lathiat | sivang: xt | 09:01 |
| === sivang pokes | ||
| sivang | Lathiat: ok, now this package does not exsit for hoary in binary form yet? | 09:08 |
| sivang | Lathiat: (I can't seem to install it on my breezy) | 09:08 |
| sivang | Lathiat: oppps, s/hoary/breez/ | 09:09 |
| sivang | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 09:09 |
| sivang | xt: Depends: xlibmesa-glu but it is not going to be installed or | 09:09 |
| sivang | libglu1 | 09:09 |
| Lathiat | well | 09:09 |
| Lathiat | sivang: yes... | 09:09 |
| Lathiat | sivang: thats why we are fixing it... | 09:09 |
| sivang | so we need to change this to? | 09:09 |
| Lathiat | sivang: its changed by building with the new b-ds | 09:09 |
| Lathiat | sivang: shlibs:dep style | 09:10 |
| sivang | Lathiat: sorrt, what's b-ds ? | 09:10 |
| Lathiat | build-deps | 09:10 |
| sivang | by changing the shared libs it depedsn on. ok, let me look some more | 09:10 |
| sivang | Build-Depends: debhelper (>> 3.0.0), gtkglarea5-dev, xlibmesa-dev, libgtk1.2-dev, xlibs-dev, debhelper, gettext, autotools-dev, perl, traceroute, host, libgdk-pixbuf-dev | 09:11 |
| Lathiat | right | 09:12 |
| Lathiat | in this case | 09:12 |
| Lathiat | no change is necessary | 09:12 |
| Lathiat | just a rebuild | 09:12 |
| Lathiat | because it deps on xlibmesa-dev | 09:12 |
| Lathiat | which now deps on the right thing | 09:12 |
| sivang | but the right thing is to depend on libglu1-xorg-dev | 09:13 |
| sivang | and I don't see it on the depends list.. | 09:13 |
| Treenaks | sivang: build-depend | 09:13 |
| sivang | eh | 09:13 |
| sivang | :-) | 09:13 |
| sivang | woops | 09:13 |
| sivang | Treenaks: thanks for the waking up | 09:14 |
| Treenaks | but anyway | 09:14 |
| Treenaks | I think daniels posted a recipe for "GLU build deps" to u-devel a while ago | 09:14 |
| sivang | Treenaks: yes, most of it is on the wiki on the MOTUGlu plage | 09:14 |
| sivang | page | 09:14 |
| sivang | I think | 09:14 |
| sivang | Lathiat: right? | 09:14 |
| sivang | (I just happend to read that thread, and the wiki page seems the same) | 09:15 |
| Lathiat | no | 09:15 |
| Lathiat | xlibmesa-dev | 09:15 |
| Lathiat | is fine | 09:15 |
| Lathiat | its only if it deps on xlibmesa-glu-dev it needs changing | 09:15 |
| Lathiat | or well | 09:15 |
| Lathiat | oh | 09:15 |
| Lathiat | actually, no | 09:15 |
| Lathiat | yoru right | 09:15 |
| sivang | Lathiat: I am right? | 09:15 |
| === sivang is confused now :-) | ||
| Lathiat | sivang: aptcacche show xlibmesa-dev | 09:16 |
| Lathiat | while xlibmesa-dev would work, it would be better to change them | 09:16 |
| Lathiat | tooo... | 09:16 |
| Lathiat | libglu1-xorg-dev | libglu-dev, xlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl-dev | 09:17 |
| sivang | Lathiat: checking (sorry for the dealy) | 09:31 |
| sivang | Lathiat: it's xlibmesa-gl-dev, not xlibmesa-dev, or are they the same? | 09:32 |
| \sh | mornin | 09:35 |
| Lathiat | sivang: xlibmesa-dev deps on libglu1-xorg-dev *AND* xlibmesa-gl-dev | 09:39 |
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| sivang | Lathiat: so we need to remove xlibmesa-dl-dev from the deps list? | 09:53 |
| Lathiat | no | 09:54 |
| Lathiat | bleh | 09:54 |
| Lathiat | sivang: xlibmesa-glu-dev -> libglu1-xorg-dev | libglu-dev | 09:54 |
| Lathiat | xlibmesa-gl-dev = fine | 09:54 |
| Lathiat | xlibmesa-dev = transitional package for both glu and gl | 09:54 |
| Lathiat | xlibmesa-dev will work, preferred change it to libglu1-xorg-dev | libglu1-dev, xlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl-dev | 09:55 |
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| siretart | morning | 10:03 |
| sivang | Lathiat: ah ok, thanks , and sorry for being dumb | 10:05 |
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| comadreja | Lathiat : ? | 10:06 |
| comadreja | morning all | 10:06 |
| \sh | comadreja: please whitelist your email address for breezy-changes...(write an email to elmo) | 10:07 |
| comadreja | ok \sh | 10:07 |
| comadreja | I wrote a little script yesterday for rdepends | 10:07 |
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| comadreja | it's in http://www.drqueue.org/package_rdepends.pl | 10:08 |
| comadreja | hmmm executes | 10:08 |
| comadreja | it's in http://www.drqueue.org/package_rdepends (?) | 10:09 |
| comadreja | there it is | 10:10 |
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| Lathiat | sivang: 'sok, its all a bit confusing | 10:10 |
| comadreja | Lathiat : ping | 10:11 |
| Lathiat | comadreja: pong | 10:11 |
| comadreja | Lathiat : could you check : http://www.drqueue.org/package_rdepends ? | 10:11 |
| comadreja | I wrote it as a substitute for your script to find the source rdepends | 10:12 |
| Lathiat | ah | 10:12 |
| Lathiat | nice | 10:12 |
| Lathiat | mine was hacked up ++ | 10:12 |
| comadreja | for the transition, but it could help in any onther transition I guess | 10:12 |
| comadreja | it mentions the section, and the source package | 10:12 |
| Lathiat | comadreja: whoah, thats cool | 10:13 |
| Lathiat | comadreja: one slight bug, i get "Section: universe : glob2" | 10:13 |
| Lathiat | :0 | 10:13 |
| Lathiat | :) | 10:13 |
| Lathiat | comadreja: your next task.. make it print out a list of failed deps ;) | 10:13 |
| comadreja | what is that ? | 10:14 |
| comadreja | cool I'll do | 10:14 |
| Lathiat | comadreja: apt-cache unmet <package> | 10:14 |
| Lathiat | comadreja: (only on packages which that script turned up tho, thats asll i care about :) | 10:14 |
| Lathiat | just to show up packages which need other love | 10:14 |
| comadreja | I'll work that out... | 10:15 |
| comadreja | btw, who is elmo ? | 10:15 |
| Lathiat | ftp msater | 10:15 |
| Lathiat | master | 10:15 |
| Lathiat | and sysadmin sortof guy | 10:15 |
| comadreja | yep, email ? | 10:15 |
| Lathiat | erm | 10:15 |
| Lathiat | dunno | 10:15 |
| Lathiat | search the lists | 10:15 |
| Lathiat | ;p | 10:15 |
| comadreja | :) | 10:15 |
| comadreja | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads Is this the procedure for breezy-changes too ? | 10:17 |
| comadreja | \sh : ? | 10:17 |
| \sh | comadreja: yepp | 10:19 |
| comadreja | thanks :) are they bots ? do they need any special format ? | 10:22 |
| comadreja | I mean keyring@ and upload@ | 10:22 |
| \sh | no... | 10:23 |
| \sh | it's elmo | 10:23 |
| siretart | comadreja: do you know grep-dctrl? | 10:23 |
| comadreja | siretart : nopes | 10:24 |
| siretart | for packages build depending on xlibmesa-dev I used this one: grep-dctrl -FBuild-Depends xlibmesa-gl-dev Sources-breezy -sPackage,Version,Build-Depends | 10:24 |
| siretart | s/xlibmesa-dev/xlibmesa-gl-dev/ | 10:24 |
| comadreja | siretart : oh, cool, would that be the same as apt-cache rdepends ? | 10:25 |
| siretart | comadreja: no. apt-cache only examines binary packages. this one examines source packages | 10:25 |
| comadreja | I'll substitute that, then | 10:26 |
| siretart | comadreja: please note that you would need a up to date "Sources-breezy" from the an archive mirror | 10:26 |
| comadreja | yep | 10:27 |
| comadreja | ok, gotta go to work | 10:27 |
| comadreja | bbl | 10:27 |
| siretart | http://paste.debian.net/1173 this is the script I use for updating Source-breezy | 10:27 |
| siretart | cu comadreja | 10:27 |
| sivang | siretart: you should add this to Lathiat's wiki page :-) | 10:28 |
| sivang | siretart: I already saw you say this to 3 different people including me :-) | 10:28 |
| sivang | siretart: (talkinga bout the dctrl thingy) | 10:29 |
| siretart | sivang: could you do that please? I'm not sure what page you mean, and I have do work here :( | 10:30 |
| sivang | siretart: ok, I need to find a spare moment and I will | 10:32 |
| sivang | Lathiat: have you finished up wtih xt ?(sorry for vanishing) | 10:32 |
| siretart | thank you, I will review the page then.. | 10:32 |
| sivang | siretart: k | 10:32 |
| Lathiat | sivang: nope | 10:33 |
| Lathiat | sivang: been doing other things, sorry | 10:33 |
| sivang | Lathiat: no , I'm also busy it's ok. Talk later | 10:33 |
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| pef | hi | 10:40 |
| HostingGeek | Everyone look I am famous! I am in this screeny http://david.navi.cx/images/sexy-xchat-gnome.png | 10:54 |
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| herve | morning! | 11:14 |
| pef | herve: morning | 11:18 |
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| herve | it seems there's fresh blood on #u-m | 11:28 |
| \sh | hey herve | 11:39 |
| herve | hi \sh, feel better? | 11:40 |
| herve | the cxx binary embargo is over? | 11:41 |
| \sh | herve: some missing links :) | 11:43 |
| \sh | herve: well...actually I came to terms with everything... | 11:44 |
| herve | er, wait... does dia have c++ dependency... | 11:44 |
| herve | silly me, it doesn't | 11:45 |
| dave_ | hi! shot question: i am creating a custom-ubuntu-cd! i do it all in my shell-scripts - what i wonder: can you download the build-shell-scripts/tools of ubuntu anywhere? i _can_ create my own build system - but do i have to ? | 11:51 |
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| herve | see you later | 12:50 |
| comadreja | \sh : ping | 01:05 |
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| \sh | comadreja: pong | 01:39 |
| comadreja | \sh : how long does it take usually to get a key included for breezy-changes ? | 01:40 |
| \sh | comadreja: the key is not important...your email address must be whitelisted. | 01:40 |
| \sh | comadreja: the key comes first when u r approved by TB | 01:41 |
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| comadreja | \sh : oh, I see | 01:46 |
| comadreja | \sh : I'll write the mail to upload then | 01:46 |
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| === Treenaks loves \sh | ||
| Treenaks | new wine! | 02:58 |
| \sh | Treenaks: give your love to scott ritchie...i took only his work, renewed the snapshot and uploaded .) | 03:00 |
| \sh | and actually i made a mistake | 03:01 |
| \sh | *grmpf* | 03:01 |
| \sh | I forgot the ubuntu1 | 03:01 |
| Treenaks | \sh: OH NOES | 03:01 |
| ogra | \sh, next upload :) | 03:01 |
| sivang | Lathiat: still here? | 03:01 |
| ogra | \sh, doesnt really matter, since we dont autosync from winehq yet | 03:02 |
| Lathiat | sivang: ya | 03:02 |
| Lathiat | sivang: im always here | 03:02 |
| Lathiat | sivang: just doing various thigns at any one time :) | 03:02 |
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| sivang | Lathiat: cool, have you managed with munging the control file? | 03:03 |
| sivang | Lathiat: (per xt) | 03:03 |
| Lathiat | nah havent done anything yet | 03:03 |
| Lathiat | tomorrow :) | 03:03 |
| \sh | ogra: yeah.... | 03:04 |
| \sh | ogra: I want to have the new utils for wine as well...winesetuptk is obsolete...so I want to replace it | 03:04 |
| ogra | \sh, morgue !! | 03:05 |
| \sh | ogra: yeah..but first i have to do some testing with it...actually, when my tax app is running with wine ,-) | 03:06 |
| ogra | hehe | 03:06 |
| Lathiat | \sh: are you australian? | 03:06 |
| Lathiat | hm, no | 03:06 |
| \sh | Lathiat: why? no..I'm not :) | 03:07 |
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| JRe | ps666lo | 03:23 |
| JRe | ow wrong window ;) | 03:23 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:ogra] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | package for reviewing (NEW or updated)? go here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ | Whoever should speculate about our first priority: REVIEWING | ||
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| pef | siretart: ping | 04:17 |
| siretart | pef: pong | 04:22 |
| pef | siretart: hello, what about the libaa transition ? | 04:22 |
| siretart | pef: I filed yesterday https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12673, and now I wait that an uploader for main uploads fixed aalib and sdllib packages | 04:24 |
| comadreja | siretart... what do I have to do to get my email white listed by elmo ? | 04:25 |
| siretart | i don't think we can do anything about this before this happens | 04:25 |
| siretart | comadreja: write him an email and wait | 04:25 |
| comadreja | I sent a mail to upload@ubuntulinux.com | 04:26 |
| pef | siretart: then after we have to make the transition for all packages using libaa ? | 04:26 |
| siretart | when I requested it it took few days. currently he is in .fi at debconf, so it can take some time | 04:26 |
| comadreja | .org | 04:26 |
| comadreja | oh, I see, that's the reason | 04:26 |
| comadreja | thanks ! | 04:26 |
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| siretart | sivang: ah, now I understand what you meant earlier today. thanks for putting it to MOTUGLUTransition | 05:04 |
| ivoks | hi :) | 05:06 |
| siretart | huhu ivoks :) | 05:06 |
| ivoks | uh, bug in evoltution | 05:07 |
| ivoks | crashes on forward | 05:07 |
| sivang | siretart: no prob :-) | 05:12 |
| sivang | siretart: I was glad too | 05:12 |
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| \sh | hmmm | 06:02 |
| \sh | any workaround for xlibs*41.deb? | 06:02 |
| \sh | configure returned --1 stop ,-) | 06:02 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 07:10 |
| === ivoks buyed him self a brand new CD - old placebo album | ||
| ivoks | doh.. cdplayer has fetch cover, but doesn't have fetch data over CDDB | 07:14 |
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| pef | is malone down ? | 07:29 |
| ogra | launchpad is | 07:29 |
| pef | ok :[ | 07:29 |
| mitsuhiko | ;( | 07:31 |
| mitsuhiko | wanted to translate something but rosetta's down | 07:32 |
| pef | someone can help me with scripts packaging ? | 07:32 |
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| pef | siretart: ping | 07:40 |
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| lamont | mpg123 is ftbfs (dpkg-love needed) | 07:42 |
| \sh | ??? | 07:42 |
| bddebian | beauty | 07:42 |
| \sh | i can't even rebuild kde stuff now... | 07:42 |
| Lathiat | \sh: sup? | 07:42 |
| \sh | it's the heat, the sun, everything is melting ,-) | 07:42 |
| \sh | lamont: more package breaks or sourcecode stuff? | 07:43 |
| \sh | and my kbd is again f'uped | 07:44 |
| pef | Lathiat: you are member of MOTUgames isn't it ? | 07:45 |
| lamont | debian/rules build | 07:45 |
| lamont | dpkg: unknown option --print-gnu-build-architecture | 07:45 |
| lamont | 36 Log for failed build of hsc_0.934-1 (dist=breezy) | 07:46 |
| lamont | 30 Log for failed build of wap-wml-tools_0.0.4-1 (dist=breezy) | 07:46 |
| lamont | and those are both just plain missing a build-depends: debhelper | 07:46 |
| lamont | (at least) | 07:46 |
| \sh | Setting up xlibs (6.8.2-41) ... | 07:47 |
| \sh | dpkg: error processing xlibs (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 | 07:47 |
| lamont | \sh: anything _before_ that? | 07:47 |
| \sh | nope | 07:47 |
| \sh | only xlibs | 07:47 |
| lamont | like the error message that traditionally goes with the exit? | 07:47 |
| bddebian | Shouldn't that just be dpkg --print-architecture? | 07:47 |
| \sh | lamont: yeah..but nothing :) | 07:47 |
| \sh | lamont: and i had to reconfigure my xserver-xorg...and now even my kbd stuff is not working...german layout .. but no altgr+q is working e.g. | 07:48 |
| \sh | Errors were encountered while processing: xlibs | 07:49 |
| \sh | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 07:49 |
| lamont | add a -x to /var/lib/dpkg/info/xlibs.postinst | 07:49 |
| lamont | it's probably missing an || true somewhere | 07:49 |
| === ivoks needs help :( | ||
| \sh | checks for /etc/X11/xkb | 07:50 |
| \sh | but xkb was deleted before *argl* | 07:50 |
| \sh | lets try a reinstall | 07:51 |
| bddebian | Heya ivoks | 07:51 |
| === bddebian loves talking to himself | ||
| ivoks | bddebian: :) | 07:52 |
| ivoks | bddebian: could you help me, maybe? | 07:52 |
| bddebian | ivoks: I doubt it but I'll sure try | 07:52 |
| bddebian | whassup? | 07:52 |
| ivoks | packaging :( | 07:53 |
| bddebian | Whats the problem? | 07:53 |
| ivoks | we shouldn't change source, right? | 07:53 |
| ivoks | so i have in rules a rule wich patches source | 07:53 |
| ivoks | of course, i have to have rule in clean that will unpatch source, right? | 07:54 |
| ivoks | so.. now, when i try to buildpackage | 07:54 |
| bddebian | ivoks: I suppose "have to" is a little strong, but I think it is the "right" thing to do :-) | 07:54 |
| ivoks | it runs clean first | 07:54 |
| ivoks | and tries to unpatch file that isn't patched | 07:54 |
| ivoks | but i have to run clean before build | 07:54 |
| bddebian | Isn't clean, wiping the build tree? | 07:55 |
| ivoks | Unreversed patch detected! | 07:56 |
| ivoks | what's that? :( | 07:56 |
| bddebian | Found a patch that it didn't back out? | 07:56 |
| GazerWork | ivoks, are you using cdbs or writing your own rules ? | 07:56 |
| ivoks | own rules | 07:57 |
| ogra | ivoks, hae you looked at tsengs dpatch howto ? | 07:57 |
| ivoks | nope... | 07:57 |
| ivoks | where? | 07:57 |
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| ivoks | (i can't use cddb on this package) | 07:58 |
| ivoks | cddb :)) | 07:58 |
| bddebian | heh | 07:58 |
| \sh | ok...I just broke my whole system... | 07:58 |
| bddebian | Nice | 07:58 |
| ogra | ivoks, http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7 | 07:58 |
| \sh | removing xlibs breaks system...and ubuntu-desktop / kubuntu-desktop can't be reinstalled, cause of broken packages *argl* | 07:59 |
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| ivoks | ok, this is easy :) | 08:00 |
| bddebian | :-) | 08:00 |
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| bddebian | Then even my dumb ass should try it? :-) | 08:00 |
| ogra | ivoks, the missing bit is, you must additionally build-depend on dpatch ;) | 08:01 |
| ed1t | hello i would like to help out with ubuntu projects to get more experience with linux | 08:01 |
| bddebian | ed1t: Stand in line :-) | 08:01 |
| ivoks | ogra: i know that ;) thanks | 08:01 |
| === ed1t stands in line | ||
| Lathiat | pef: yes | 08:02 |
| bddebian | ed1t: :-) | 08:02 |
| ed1t | lol | 08:02 |
| ed1t | do i get a ticket number? :P | 08:02 |
| pef | Lathiat: I had a comment about globulation2, then I found your wiki page and had put comment there :) | 08:03 |
| ogra | ed1t, oh, you didnt pull one ? | 08:03 |
| ed1t | no lol | 08:03 |
| Lathiat | pef: ok :) what was the comment? | 08:03 |
| === ed1t pulls one outta the hat | ||
| ed1t | ahhh its #1!!! | 08:03 |
| pef | Lathiat: globulation2 = glob2 :) | 08:03 |
| pef | already present in ubuntu | 08:03 |
| ed1t | guess im next :P | 08:03 |
| bddebian | hehe | 08:03 |
| Lathiat | ah right | 08:03 |
| === bddebian checks his ticket. #999999. Damn! :-( | ||
| ogra | ed1t, have you already seen wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU and the related pages ? | 08:04 |
| ed1t | yea | 08:05 |
| ivoks | bddebian: man, what's up? | 08:07 |
| ivoks | bddebian: how's wife? kids? | 08:07 |
| bddebian | Can anyone tell me what this lintian problem is: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/571 ? | 08:08 |
| ivoks | siretart: ping | 08:08 |
| bddebian | ivoks: Good, except for my lame-ass job and lack of hacking skillz, thanks. How about you? | 08:08 |
| ivoks | bddebian: well, same thing... but i'm working on my hacking skillz | 08:09 |
| ivoks | bddebian: maybe you should too? :) | 08:09 |
| ivoks | bddebian: well, i consider my job perfect | 08:09 |
| bddebian | ivoks: I try but no one loves me :-) | 08:09 |
| bddebian | ogra just laughs at me ;-) | 08:10 |
| ivoks | bddebian: bddebian that's cause he likes you | 08:10 |
| ivoks | you have to be optimistic and have a better view of live | 08:10 |
| ivoks | not only "nobody likes me" "me talks to me" etc | 08:10 |
| bddebian | Bah, I'm a realist ;-) | 08:10 |
| ogra | bddebian, you built a native package ? | 08:11 |
| bddebian | ogra: Upgrade from upstream | 08:11 |
| ogra | have the orig.tar.gz around ? | 08:11 |
| === ivoks is going to try building first n(t)ive ubuntu package | ||
| bddebian | ogra: I "made" one :-) | 08:11 |
| bddebian | ivoks: Congrats :-) | 08:11 |
| tritium | bddebian, did you take my python-pyrtf and fix it up? | 08:12 |
| bddebian | tritium: Yes, that is where that lintian error is from | 08:12 |
| ogra | with <name_vers.orig.tar.gz> (note the _)? | 08:12 |
| tritium | checking it | 08:12 |
| bddebian | python-pyrtf_0.45.orig.tar.gz | 08:12 |
| ogra | hmm | 08:13 |
| ogra | looks ok | 08:13 |
| ogra | how did you build the new source pkg ? | 08:14 |
| bddebian | dpkg-buildpackage | 08:14 |
| ogra | no options ? | 08:14 |
| bddebian | -tc -us | 08:14 |
| ogra | new upstream version ? | 08:15 |
| bddebian | Yes | 08:15 |
| ogra | so how about -sa ;) | 08:15 |
| bddebian | hmm | 08:16 |
| ivoks | ok, revu isn't quite automatic :( | 08:17 |
| ivoks | \sh: ping | 08:17 |
| bddebian | Doh, I suck.. :'-( | 08:18 |
| bddebian | W: python-pyrtf source: changelog-should-mention-nmu | 08:18 |
| bddebian | W: python-pyrtf source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.45-0ubuntu1 | 08:18 |
| ogra | thats fine | 08:19 |
| ogra | we dont have NMUs in ubuntu so this error is pointless ;) | 08:19 |
| bddebian | Oh, hehe | 08:19 |
| ogra | no other errors ? | 08:19 |
| ivoks | no, only 4 E :) | 08:19 |
| bddebian | ogra: Nope | 08:19 |
| ogra | bddebian, congrats :) | 08:19 |
| bddebian | ogra: On what? | 08:20 |
| \sh | ivoks: Prngadasdf system failure | 08:20 |
| ogra | bddebian, to a fine package | 08:20 |
| ivoks | \sh: oh... i see you are busy :) | 08:20 |
| bddebian | Oh, heh, thanks | 08:20 |
| ivoks | \sh: have fun ;) | 08:20 |
| ogra | bddebian, now build it clean in pbuilder :) | 08:20 |
| bddebian | Now, if I could get this damn free-pascal to build | 08:20 |
| bddebian | What is the fascination with pbuilder? :-) | 08:20 |
| ivoks | bddebian: it's clean breezy | 08:20 |
| ivoks | clean, pure gold :) | 08:21 |
| bddebian | ivoks: But I built this on breezy :-) | 08:21 |
| pef | a new package should be named foo-x.y-0ubuntu1 right ? | 08:21 |
| ogra | bddebian, you see if it builds on the buildd... | 08:21 |
| bddebian | Ahh | 08:21 |
| bddebian | pef: I think so | 08:21 |
| ivoks | lol | 08:21 |
| ivoks | joke of the year | 08:21 |
| ivoks | anyone interested? | 08:21 |
| pef | _o/ | 08:22 |
| ogra | bddebian, which is dependent of the right choice of build deps you made... | 08:22 |
| ivoks | I was wondering if perhaps some work could be done to some script to run AutoCAD Native in Unbuntu. The Wine Emulation does not function well. | 08:22 |
| bddebian | AutoCAD? barf :-) | 08:22 |
| ogra | ivoks, hehe, yes this one's funny... | 08:22 |
| siretart | ivoks: pong | 08:23 |
| siretart | pef: pong | 08:23 |
| ivoks | siretart: i uploaded new wifi-radar | 08:23 |
| seth_k | bddebian: pbuilder pwns, you should use it so that you're sure your builds work on more than just your computer | 08:23 |
| siretart | ivoks: I'm online via wifi-radar and wpa, just a few wpasupplicant related patches were needed ;) | 08:23 |
| pef | siretart: idea for revu : is it possible to be notified by email on changes ? | 08:24 |
| ivoks | siretart: well, you have brand new source now on REVU, patch it | 08:24 |
| bddebian | I AM BUILDING IT IN pbuilder SHEESH.. ;-P | 08:24 |
| siretart | ivoks: yes I will. Need to do some investigation why wpasupplicant does not support creation of pid file | 08:24 |
| siretart | ivoks: wifi-radar expects wpasupplicant supporting option -P. wpasupplicant in hoary does not support that. Need to check breezy version | 08:25 |
| bddebian | Hmm, I'm getting 404 errors to uk.archive.ubuntu.com | 08:25 |
| Lathiat | wifi-radar is boring | 08:25 |
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| Lathiat | gtk-wifi is cool | 08:26 |
| Lathiat | but the python sudo bit is a tad on the insecure side | 08:26 |
| seth_k | good boy bddebian, cookie for you | 08:26 |
| Lathiat | apart from taht its nice | 08:26 |
| bddebian | seth_k: :-) | 08:26 |
| Lathiat | kicks the pants off network manager which eats all your network interfaces | 08:26 |
| siretart | pef: In principle yes. could you define some email sending policy? | 08:26 |
| bddebian | WTF? | 08:26 |
| bddebian | Authentication warning overridden. | 08:26 |
| bddebian | Err http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main debconf-i18n 1.4.51ubuntu2 | 08:26 |
| bddebian | 404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] | 08:26 |
| siretart | pef: I would need exactly when an email should be sent and when not | 08:26 |
| ivoks | Lathiat: gtk-wifi? | 08:26 |
| ogra | bddebian, try gb :) | 08:26 |
| pef | siretart: new comment of a MOTU, package accepted | 08:27 |
| bddebian | When did that change? | 08:27 |
| seth_k | it's always been that way | 08:27 |
| ogra | dunno, i use archive directly.... | 08:27 |
| ogra | just a good guess | 08:27 |
| bddebian | I have uk.xxx in my normal sources.list | 08:27 |
| seth_k | ua = ukraine, gb = united kingdom, and there is no uk | 08:27 |
| siretart | pef: for revu2 I will definitly think about this. for current revu implementation, consider writing a patch ;) | 08:28 |
| bddebian | ogra: Well I was having problems with US for a little bit there :-) | 08:28 |
| ivoks | ogra: did you see how many bugs I worked on yestrday? | 08:29 |
| ogra | bddebian, for development its better to have archive.ubuntu.com ... at least if you wait for a lib you just built to build your package on.... no mirror latency | 08:29 |
| pef | siretart: why don't make a wiki page for suggestions ? | 08:29 |
| ogra | ivoks, i didnt check it yet | 08:29 |
| ivoks | ogra: 20 i think... even closed few of them :) | 08:30 |
| bddebian | ogra: OK, thanks | 08:31 |
| ivoks | siretart: ping | 08:31 |
| ivoks | siretart: why aren't new packages on the list? | 08:31 |
| siretart | pef_aw: there are actually 2 pages: REVU and REVUDevelopment | 08:32 |
| siretart | ivoks: they are not? | 08:32 |
| ivoks | siretart: nope.. | 08:32 |
| siretart | ivoks: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=132 is linked from the main page | 08:33 |
| siretart | your latest upload to revu | 08:33 |
| ivoks | siretart: ah, i see... i tought this is automatic | 08:33 |
| bddebian | ed1t: I hate to say this but to some degree you are on your own to start out. Check around the wiki site and see what you can do. | 08:35 |
| bddebian | ed1t: If you know Ubuntu fairly well, come join us on the New User Network team | 08:35 |
| ed1t | hmmm | 08:36 |
| ed1t | well im not that good at ubuntu, i just start using like 2/3 weeks ago | 08:37 |
| bddebian | ed1t: Do you know GNU/Linux fairly well? Or better yet, Debian GNU/Linux? | 08:37 |
| ed1t | yea | 08:38 |
| bddebian | You could still be a big help to new users in #ubuntu then | 08:38 |
| bddebian | OK, damnit, I have updated my /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/pbuilder/apt.conf/sources.list and it is still using uk.ubuntu...?? | 08:39 |
| ed1t | bddebian, where is the join us form or place for New User network team? | 08:40 |
| bddebian | ed1t: I have to find the link quick, hang on | 08:40 |
| ed1t | k | 08:40 |
| seth_k | ed1t: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/unp/+join | 08:41 |
| bddebian | Thanks seth_k | 08:42 |
| ed1t | thx | 08:42 |
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| bddebian | Looks like it builds in pbuilder | 08:42 |
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| ed1t | time to leave work and go home...cya all later | 08:43 |
| bddebian | Later ed1t | 08:43 |
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| ivoks | beagle works for you? | 08:44 |
| \sh | is breezy working again? *lol* | 08:51 |
| bddebian | beagle? | 08:51 |
| bddebian | See, ivoks, ogra is ignoring me again.. :'-( | 08:53 |
| bddebian | ;-P | 08:53 |
| ogra | yay bddebian ! | 08:57 |
| tritium | bddebian, congratulations :) | 09:01 |
| ivoks | :) | 09:04 |
| ivoks | \sh: breezy works for me :) | 09:04 |
| \sh | ivoks: don't update ;-) | 09:05 |
| \sh | and don't remove xlibs ;-) | 09:05 |
| ivoks | i updated allready | 09:05 |
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| comadreja | hello :) ... regarding the package I prepared for kismet, should I forget about it ? | 09:20 |
| Nafallo | comadreja: package for kismet? what upstream version is it? :-) | 09:24 |
| comadreja | 2005.06.R1 | 09:25 |
| comadreja | I needed ipw2200, I guess a lot of people will find it useful | 09:26 |
| Lathiat | ooh that version has ipw2200 support? | 09:27 |
| Lathiat | thatl rock :) | 09:27 |
| comadreja | yep | 09:27 |
| comadreja | http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=101 | 09:27 |
| comadreja | there it is waiting for a good review :) | 09:27 |
| Lathiat | well, siretart has made some comments | 09:30 |
| Lathiat | have you addressed them? | 09:30 |
| comadreja | I thought it had to be reviewed by more people | 09:30 |
| Lathiat | Yeh but if osmeone makes a review with some comment sof things tofix | 09:31 |
| Lathiat | you should fix them :) | 09:31 |
| Lathiat | and reupload | 09:31 |
| Lathiat | and more will review | 09:31 |
| comadreja | oh, but what is to be fixed ? | 09:31 |
| Lathiat | if ou need help with the changes | 09:31 |
| Lathiat | feel free to ask around | 09:31 |
| Lathiat | comadreja: it says on that page | 09:31 |
| comadreja | the lintian warnings are because of the orig sources | 09:31 |
| Lathiat | nothing major by the sounds of things | 09:31 |
| Lathiat | comadreja: he says theres some more, shrug | 09:32 |
| comadreja | that have CVS directories | 09:32 |
| Lathiat | comadreja: if you think its fine, then have a chat with siretart or someone else | 09:32 |
| comadreja | more than the previous | 09:32 |
| Lathiat | make sure they are ok | 09:32 |
| comadreja | One question | 09:32 |
| comadreja | the nmu thing... | 09:32 |
| comadreja | should I number it the debian way because of that ? | 09:33 |
| Nafallo | packages.debian.org down? | 09:33 |
| bddebian | So now can I be an MOTU?? | 09:33 |
| === bddebian hides | ||
| Lathiat | comadreja: just append ubuntu1 to the debian version, i think | 09:33 |
| Lathiat | comadreja: migh twant to double check with someone else | 09:33 |
| comadreja | Lathiat : that's what I did | 09:33 |
| Lathiat | but that would make sense to me | 09:33 |
| Lathiat | ok, soudns good to me | 09:33 |
| comadreja | then I have to convince siretart :D | 09:34 |
| Lathiat | im just building it now | 09:34 |
| Lathiat | give it a testout | 09:34 |
| Lathiat | just waitin gfor pbuilder to do its thing | 09:34 |
| comadreja | cool :) | 09:34 |
| Nafallo | has debian even packaged 2005.06.R1 yet? | 09:34 |
| comadreja | nopes | 09:34 |
| comadreja | in unstable you have 2005.04.R1 | 09:35 |
| Nafallo | yea, which didn't build because of the kernel-headers crap. | 09:35 |
| Nafallo | that is fixed in 2005.06.R1 ;-) | 09:36 |
| comadreja | I built it with no problems with pbuilder | 09:36 |
| === Lathiat twiddles his fingers | ||
| comadreja | Lathiat : ;) | 09:38 |
| Lathiat | i need mroe cpu | 09:38 |
| Lathiat | a 2.0ghz pentium-m just isnt fast enough | 09:39 |
| === comadreja has a 1.6 pentium-m :) | ||
| Lathiat | hehe | 09:40 |
| Lathiat | need more ram | 09:40 |
| Lathiat | nother 512 or 1G woudl be nice | 09:40 |
| Lathiat | another 512 woudl be cheaper | 09:40 |
| comadreja | :D you bad | 09:41 |
| Lathiat | thats only $62 vs $190 | 09:41 |
| siretart | comadreja: have you addressed the additional lintian warnings in your updated kismet package? | 09:41 |
| Nafallo | comadreja: you will probably want to change a bit in debian/control | 09:41 |
| comadreja | wich additional ? | 09:41 |
| comadreja | I just seen the warnings about CVS dirs | 09:42 |
| comadreja | Nafallo : sure | 09:42 |
| comadreja | letme check | 09:42 |
| Nafallo | comadreja: gpsd instead of gpsdrive :-) | 09:42 |
| Lathiat | comadreja: be nic eto include some sample source lines like the old debian packages | 09:43 |
| siretart | comadreja: run lintian on the version in breezy and compare with the lintian report of your package | 09:43 |
| Nafallo | comadreja: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/kismet/ | 09:43 |
| Lathiat | nice | 09:44 |
| Lathiat | it works | 09:44 |
| Lathiat | thats so rad | 09:44 |
| siretart | comadreja: i'm not at home right now, will look at it tomorrow | 09:44 |
| comadreja | siretart : thanks a lot | 09:44 |
| comadreja | I will try to make it better | 09:44 |
| comadreja | I'll use dpatch btw | 09:44 |
| Lathiat | siretart: well uh, it works, so tahts a plus :) | 09:45 |
| Lathiat | this is rad | 09:45 |
| Lathiat | comadreja: you rock :) | 09:45 |
| Lathiat | now just get it fixed up so it can go into universe :) | 09:45 |
| comadreja | Lathiat : thanks ;) | 09:45 |
| siretart | comadreja: did you manage to get in touch with francois? (debian maintainer) | 09:45 |
| Nafallo | I was hoping that debian maintainer would fix kismet so we could bring it in and drop the ubuntu1 ;-) | 09:45 |
| comadreja | siretart : nopes, I'll write him personally | 09:45 |
| siretart | that would be great | 09:46 |
| comadreja | siretart : no answers to the bug reports | 09:46 |
| siretart | comadreja: perhaps he is at debconf | 09:46 |
| comadreja | siretart : let's try | 09:46 |
| Lathiat | wow kismet has got support for lots more cards | 09:46 |
| Nafallo | siretart: I asked Mithrandir before. seems he was not :-/. | 09:46 |
| Lathiat | madwifi support too | 09:46 |
| Nafallo | Lathiat: rt2x00 ;-) | 09:47 |
| Lathiat | and rt2[45] 00 | 09:47 |
| Lathiat | and rt8180 | 09:47 |
| Lathiat | damn | 09:47 |
| Lathiat | ooh, wrt54g too | 09:47 |
| Lathiat | dam | 09:47 |
| Lathiat | n | 09:47 |
| Lathiat | thats impresive :) | 09:47 |
| siretart | Lathiat: well, madwifi support is encouraging me to update kismet *g* | 09:48 |
| === Lathiat grins | ||
| Nafallo | kismet 2005.04.R1 that we have (but doesn't build) doesn't differ from debian from what I've seen :-). The best solution in my opinion is to either wait for debian or ask debian to take an update from us :-). | 09:50 |
| Nafallo | for 2005.06.R1 that is... | 09:50 |
| comadreja | ok, I wrote Francois | 09:51 |
| Nafallo | comadreja: rock! :-) | 09:51 |
| comadreja | offering him the package I have | 09:51 |
| comadreja | :) | 09:52 |
| Nafallo | siretart: I want to comment on kismet, where can I get the login? :-) | 09:56 |
| Nafallo | if I need one for comments only that is ;-) | 09:57 |
| comadreja | https://wiki.ubuntu.com//REVU | 10:00 |
| === bddebian wonders if he should try to package xpde just for S&Gs :-) | ||
| siretart | Nafallo: commenting as non reviewer only for own comments atm. sorry | 10:03 |
| Nafallo | siretart: ahh, oki | 10:04 |
| bddebian | Bah, where are the NewPackages or SuggestedPackages or whatever the fsck it is called? | 10:07 |
| bddebian | Ack, how the fsck do you people know what to work on? I'm looking at unmet deps list... | 10:11 |
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| tritium | see you later on | 10:21 |
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