[12:21] <SloMoSnail> when i updated a universe package to compile with gcc 4.0 (no c++ problem, it's a plain c program) shall I create a bugreport at bugzilla or launchpad with the debdiff?
[12:24] <comadreja> SloMoSnail : afaik, if it's universe, and no cxxtransition... should go to revu
[12:24] <comadreja> but don't trust me :)
[12:25] <sistpoty> i agree -> revu, but don't trust me either ;)
[12:27] <SloMoSnail> well, ogra said this morning that transitions don't go to revu and cxxtransition goes to bugzilla ;) but what about this?
[12:27] <comadreja> yes, transitions go to bugzilla
[12:28] <comadreja> but afaiu that is not a transition
[12:28] <comadreja> I mean, the wiki only talks about cxxtransition, and motuglutransition
[12:28] <Lathiat> SloMoSnail: what changes were needed?
[12:30] <comadreja> Lathiat : did you solve the pbuilder problem ?
[12:30] <Lathiat> comadreja: yeh i got someone elses base.tgz :)
[12:30] <comadreja> damn
[12:30] <comadreja> they've gotta solve that asap
[12:31] <SloMoSnail> Lathiat: just a one-liner... a missing semicolon ;) siretat said i should make a bugreport for that but he didn't say where...
[12:31] <Lathiat> yeh
[12:31] <Lathiat> SloMoSnail: malone
[12:31] <Lathiat> i assume
[12:31] <seth_k> Lathiat: feel free to point other people at that base.tgz if they need it; i have bandwidth to burn
[12:31] <SloMoSnail> ogra: ping?
[12:31] <comadreja> seth_k: I need it
[12:31] <Lathiat> seth_k: ok
[12:32] <seth_k> comadreja: http://sethkinast.com/ubuntu/breezy/
[12:32] <comadreja> thanks :)
[12:32] <seth_k> not a problem :D
[12:41] <pef> good night !
[12:42] <comadreja> nite :)
[12:49] <havoc> where would I find (online) a list of all ubuntu packages?
[12:49] <havoc> (that may be a stupid question)
[12:50] <havoc> nm: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[12:51] <havoc> nope, that's not it
[12:51] <ajmitch> packages.ubuntu.com
[12:51] <havoc> thanx
[12:51] <ajmitch> not a list, but you can look them up there
[12:51] <havoc> hey, another familiar person
[12:51] <havoc> ajmitch: hi :)
[12:51] <ajmitch> or you could just grab the Packages.bz2 off the mirror
[12:51] <ajmitch> hi :)
[12:52] <havoc> a lot of gnue ppl here it seems
[12:52] <dredg> apt-cache pkgnames
[12:52] <havoc> ok, LTSP *is* included in ubutu
[12:53] <havoc> ubuntu
[12:53] <havoc> dredg: I needed an online/web listing
[12:53] <schweeb> havoc: yes, it's actually being developed on ubuntu now, iirc
[12:53] <havoc> schweeb: ah, cool
[12:53] <ajmitch> havoc: sure, I maintain the gnue packages for debian/ubuntu :)
[12:54] <havoc> I'm putting together a report for a client for a 'linux office' in which I'm going to recommend LTSP on ubuntu
[12:54] <schweeb> I haven't heard much from the local LTSP guy lately... but I'm pretty sure that was the plan... Jim was his name I believe
[12:54] <havoc> or standalone ubuntu
[12:54] <schweeb> ajmitch probably met him
[12:54] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:54] <havoc> but there's still much I'm trying to learn about both
[12:54] <ajmitch> I don't think I talked to him much
[12:55] <schweeb> whiprush usually does
[12:55] <schweeb> but whip was probably busy humping some GNOME guys' legs
[12:55] <ajmitch> haha
[12:55] <havoc> posibbly OT, but can LTSP thin-clients handle local USB/serial/parallel/firewire and audio connections?
[12:55] <schweeb> audio yes... parallel, I believe so
[12:56] <schweeb> USB/serial/firewire not so sure
[12:56] <havoc> I'd assume it would have to somehow
[12:56] <schweeb> if it's not supported, it's in the works
[12:56] <schweeb> well...
[12:56] <schweeb> problem is
[12:56] <havoc> I asked in #ltsp and am waiting
[12:56] <havoc> ...patiently
[12:56] <schweeb> USB devices would have to be shared back to the LTSP server via SAMBA
[12:56] <schweeb> or NFS
[12:56] <havoc> ah
[12:56] <schweeb> afaik
[12:57] <havoc> basically I was contracted to write this report/proposal, and if it's accepted I will also be charged with designing/building everything
[12:58] <havoc> cuz apparently I'm the only person my client knows who's capable of doing research and RTFM :)
[12:58] <ajmitch> what sort of usb/firewire/etc things did you need?
[12:58] <havoc> which is a good thing since it pays my mortgage
[12:58] <havoc> ajmitch: nothing specific, I just need to know what all the capabilities of LTSP are
[12:58] <ajmitch> right
[12:59] <havoc> e.g. can an office worker hook up their USB key/drive or MP3 player to their thin-client workstation?
[12:59] <havoc> *I* will get asked questions like that by my client's clients, and I'd like to have an answer one way or the other
[01:01] <havoc> I need to offer 2 possible configurations, standalone workstations, and thin-clients
[01:01] <SloMoSnail> gn8
[01:01] <havoc> (or a combination)
[01:01] <havoc> I fgure ubuntu is a good choice in all cases
[01:01] <havoc> figure
[01:02] <ajmitch> looks like some people have done work on supporting local usb sticks, etc
[01:02] <havoc> just need to beef up my "objective" arguments for ubuntu vs. FC, and more specifically Debian
[01:03] <havoc> so far I have "Consistent, reliable release schedule" and "Available commercial support"
[01:03] <ajmitch> the ubuntu vs debian controversy :)
[01:04] <havoc> ajmitch: I personally could care less about "Holy wars", but I do need to provide some arguments
[01:04] <havoc> since these people are mostly debian users
[01:04] <ajmitch> it's not a holy war by any means
[01:04] <havoc> also, they are not likely to go for RHEL due to cost, their clients may ask about it
[01:05] <havoc> ajmitch: ah
[01:05] <ajmitch> but the support & reliable release schedule is defeinitely important for businesses
[01:05] <havoc> to me distros/editors/languages are nothing more than "tools"
[01:05] <ajmitch> especially with the 5-year support by the ubuntu foundation recently announced for 6.04
[01:05] <havoc> as long as they do what I need them to do I'm happy
[01:06] <schweeb> havoc: even with full out clients, users could still connect to the LTSP server using XDMCP and such
[01:06] <havoc> ajmitch: specifics?
[01:06] <havoc> schweeb: yeah
[01:06] <ajmitch> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/UbuntuFoundation
[01:06] <ajmitch> mainly directed at servers
[01:06] <ajmitch> which is where you're possibly looking
[01:07] <havoc> ajmitch: ah, you mean maintenance on the distro, not 'user support'
[01:07] <ajmitch> havoc: yes, I'm guessing that user support would still be 18-months for main
[01:07] <havoc> ajmitch: and paid, right?
[01:08] <havoc> that's a detail for later in the report anyway
[01:08] <ajmitch> I'm not entirely clear on the support structure
[01:08] <havoc> I'd much rather be building a house than doing this :(
[01:08] <havoc> heh, jbailey?
[01:09] <havoc> that jeff?
[01:09] <ajmitch> havoc: remember that packages in universe get security & critical bugfixes on a best-effort basis at the moment
[01:09] <ajmitch> yep
[01:09] <havoc> ok
[01:09] <havoc> I was talking with him earlier
[01:09] <havoc> I've been picking everyones' brains quite a bit in the past 48hrs. or so
[01:10] <ajmitch> heh
[01:10] <tseng> anyone have enemy territory mirror?
[01:10] <ajmitch> I think jeff knows the most about support
[01:10] <havoc> it's 'research' :)
[01:10] <tseng> i am capped at 50k
[01:11] <havoc> I've got like 50 web browsers open right now and am on a ton of channels
[01:11] <ajmitch> and what attracted you to the motu channel of all places?
[01:11] <havoc> and have been trying to help chillywilly with some routing issues
[01:12] <havoc> ajmitch: I hate 'user' channels; I don't need to know *how* to do things, I need to know how things *work*
[01:12] <ajmitch> :)
[01:12] <havoc> i.e. how is the distro produced/maintained
[01:12] <tseng> read as much as you can on the wiki
[01:12] <havoc> I can RTFM to figure out how to do things (most of the time)
[01:12] <havoc> :)
[01:12] <tseng> developers are an expensive resources
[01:12] <ajmitch> well we get work dumped on us (eg moving to g++ 4.0), and go out & do it
[01:13] <havoc> well you may end up with some more help if I get this contract
[01:13] <ajmitch> and sometimes we get to do our own thing
[01:13] <ajmitch> great
[01:13] <tseng> contract/
[01:14] <havoc> I've got a ton of disparate machines I maintain right now that I'll be slowly migrating to ubuntu over the next year (thanx to chillywilly)
[01:14] <tseng> i see.
[01:14] <havoc> running various distros
[01:14] <havoc> at which point I will have a vested interest in ubuntu
[01:15] <havoc> I'm actually setting up 2 1.2TB RAID5 machines this week that I'm planning on doing with ubuntu
[01:15] <havoc> got the drives today
[01:15] <havoc> 3.2TB of disk space currently in my possession :)
[01:16] <havoc> 8 400GB Seagate Baracudas
[01:16] <ajmitch> nice
[01:17] <sistpoty> gn8 all
[01:17] <havoc> $2144 from newegg
[01:17] <havoc> night
[01:18] <havoc> they are actually going to be fileservers for a mac network running netatalk
[01:18] <havoc> the current machine is runnging a very old version of mandrake
[01:20] <jbailey> ajmitch: Oy?
[01:20] <havoc> jbailey: hi
[01:20] <jbailey> havoc: Heya
[01:23] <havoc> so what kind of help does ubuntu typically need?
[01:25] <ajmitch> hi jbailey
[01:26] <ajmitch> havoc: the MOTUs in particular need packaging help to maintain universe
[01:26] <ajmitch> we have a constant stream of work
[01:27] <havoc> ajmitch: so taking releases from app developers and ubuntu/apt-ifying them?
[01:27] <ajmitch> eg wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo
[01:27] <ajmitch> havoc: that, and fixing up the existing packages
[01:28] <havoc> right
[01:28] <ajmitch> eg when we moved to gcc/g++ 4.0, all the c++ libraries had to be renamed, many patched
[01:28] <comadreja> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps
[01:29] <comadreja> regarding that, race compiles with pbuilder
[01:29] <comadreja> should it be rebuilt ?
[01:29] <ajmitch> or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition
[01:29] <comadreja> and how do I request a rebuild ?
[01:30] <ajmitch> we upload a package with a build1 suffix
[01:30] <ajmitch> eg race 1.2-3 becomes 1.2-3buil1
[01:30] <comadreja> to revu ?
[01:31] <ajmitch> if it's only a changelog entry, then it's not needed
[01:31] <ajmitch> since there's nothing to review :)
[01:31] <ajmitch> I think just put it on a list of packages to be rebuilt
[01:31] <comadreja> but I have no upload privileges , I can only upload to revu
[01:31] <comadreja> where's that list ?
[01:34] <ajmitch> make a note on MOTUGLUTransition - if it really doesn't need the build-deps changed
[01:35] <comadreja> ok
[01:39] <comadreja> it has clanlib-dev in the build-deps, that should be libclanlib-dev , right ?
[01:39] <ajmitch> libclanlib-dev provides clanlib-dev
[01:40] <comadreja> oops
[01:40] <ajmitch> but since it's virtual, I think it can be changed
[01:40] <comadreja> where do you see all that ?
[01:41] <comadreja> race_0.7.0-10build1 this version is then... 0.7.0-10ubuntu1 ?
[01:42] <ajmitch> yes, since you're making changes
[01:44] <comadreja> one funny question (for me): if it were 0.7.0-10ubuntu1 and needed a rebuild, how would it be called ?
[01:45] <ajmitch> clean way would be -10ubuntu2, not sure if they'd go for that though :)
[01:46] <comadreja> :)
[01:50] <comadreja> the debian policy manual doesn't say anything about virtual packages on build-depends
[01:51] <comadreja> oh, yes
[01:52] <comadreja> seems that the virtualpackage is prefered, but I don't know if in this case it is because a transition
[04:05] <comadreja> Lathiat : ping
[04:45] <whiprush> tseng: around?
[04:45] <tseng> no
[04:45] <whiprush> heh
[04:46] <whiprush> the muine scrobbler plugin still stuck in new?
[04:46] <tseng> it was never in new
[04:46] <whiprush> oh
[04:46] <whiprush> thought you packaged it.
[04:46] <tseng> i did
[04:46] <tseng> but, muine is still randomly crashing
[04:46] <tseng> and my motivation is vanished
[04:47] <whiprush> oh oh
[04:47] <tseng> yay for gtk-sharp2 api instability
[04:47] <StoneTable> elmo is in charge of syncs with debian, right?
[04:47] <whiprush> heh
[04:47] <tseng> StoneTable: yes
[04:47] <StoneTable> thanks
[04:49] <whiprush> burn mono boy! burn!
[04:49] <schweeb> detroit what
[04:49] <schweeb> :p
[04:50] <schweeb> whiprush: heh, I haven't used that Hula at all yet
[04:50] <whiprush> I can make you an account. Not from home yet though
[04:50] <tseng> whiprush: make me one
[04:50] <tseng> whiprush: kthx
[04:50] <whiprush> tseng: right.
[04:50] <tseng> is it with the new interface crack?
[04:51] <whiprush> it's kind of ironic, using imap4 in evolution doesn't work with hula's imap at all.
[04:51] <tseng> blargh
[04:51] <whiprush> it's the original interface, the new uber stuff gasman was talking about on lugradio isn't checked in yet.
[04:51] <tseng> and pix
[04:52] <schweeb> a PIX would be nice
[04:52] <whiprush> tseng: I haven't been keeping up on the mono list, 1.2 for breezy doable?
[04:52] <tseng> no
[04:52] <tseng> they are fucking me
[04:52] <whiprush> dang.
[04:52] <schweeb> take your fucking like a woman, and pkg 1.2 for breezy, bitch
[04:53] <tseng> yeah, right
[04:53] <tseng> after release
[04:53] <schweeb> otherwise someone will make a *gasp* backport
[04:53] <tseng> that someone will be in violation of very clear rules regarding official backport and quickly correct it
[04:54] <schweeb> heh
[04:54] <tseng> or alternatively be flamed on a daily basis
[04:54] <whiprush> so you'll ship a 1.1.x? No 1.0.x I hope?
[04:54] <tseng> 1.1.x
[04:54] <tseng> things might start being demoted soon
[04:54] <whiprush> fspot, tomboy, and beagle. that's all we need.
[04:54] <tseng> not in main you dont
[04:54] <tseng> it makes no difference to me at this point
[04:55] <tseng> I cant "support" monodevelop as is
[04:55] <whiprush> will any of it be in main?
[04:55] <tseng> so the whole thing might as well be demoted
[04:55] <tseng> nothing
[04:55] <StoneTable> :(
[04:55] <whiprush> has MD even released lately?
[04:55] <tseng> yes
[04:55] <schweeb> why would monodevelop make any difference? it's not part of the base mono distribution, is it?
[04:56] <tseng> eh
[04:56] <tseng> ok, the key rationale for mono in main is MD and beagle
[04:56] <Jogariga> hi guys. I have read a good deal of info on packaging
[04:56] <tseng> beagle isnt ready
[04:56] <tseng> and md depends on gtk-sharp2, which is basically unsupportable
[04:56] <Jogariga> and i would like to see if you guys could help me with some guidance
[04:56] <schweeb> bleh
[04:56] <tseng> Jogariga: yes?
[04:56] <whiprush> beagle tops out at about 48 hours for me, then it gets all "I want all your memory."
[04:57] <schweeb> one would think the point of having mono in main is so mono apps would be supported
[04:57] <tseng> yeah, what apps
[04:57] <schweeb> even if all apps are in universe
[04:57] <ajmitch> whiprush: takes about 10 minutes to do that to me
[04:57] <tseng> i cant put any of them in main
[04:57] <ajmitch> whiprush: although last time I tried was 0.0.10 or so
[04:57] <tseng> meh, what difference does it make at that point
[04:57] <schweeb> at least people would have mono oob
[04:57] <whiprush> ajmitch: .11 was an improvement, haven't tried .12 yet
[04:57] <tseng> just puts a burden on me to support bugs after release
[04:57] <schweeb> and be able to download/apt-get their own shit
[04:57] <whiprush> either way ... we're out of time.
[04:58] <Jogariga> tseng: what should i do next to start maintaining a package
[04:58] <tseng> universe is fine
[04:58] <tseng> Jogariga: erm
[04:58] <tseng> Jogariga: pick a package.
[04:58] <schweeb> you are weak, tseng
[04:58] <tseng> fix a bug, upload your source to revu ( see topic )
[04:58] <tseng> schweeb: YOU ARE A GIRL
[04:58] <tseng> <3
[04:58] <Jogariga> tseng: where can i check to see if it is already on ubuntu?
[04:58] <tseng> Jogariga: packages.ubuntu.com
[04:59] <whiprush> tseng: I suppose breezy+1 will be your sweet spot then. :-/
[04:59] <Jogariga> tseng: ok
[04:59] <tseng> whiprush: damn right, ill be busting heads
[04:59] <Jogariga> tseng: do you know if there's a list of packages that need to be maintained on ubuntu and nobody is doing it
[05:00] <tseng> Jogariga: there are thousands
[05:00] <whiprush> It's unfortunate, I wanted to see fspot replace gthumb for breezy.
[05:00] <tseng> Jogariga: take a wild guess and ill tell you
[05:00] <whiprush> would have been nice
[05:00] <tseng> whiprush: meh.
[05:00] <tseng> you can apt-get it
[05:00] <tseng> no big loss
[05:01] <Jogariga> tseng: ok i'll start looking
[05:01] <whiprush> tseng: just ship it before NLD10. :p Or I kill you.
[05:01] <Jogariga> tseng: thanks for your help
[05:01] <tseng> Jogariga: nps. ignore these other nutjobs
[05:01] <tseng> whiprush: NLD, that doesnt count as a distro
[05:01] <Jogariga> tseng: what nutjobs?
[05:01] <tseng> Jogariga: schweeb.
[05:02] <Jogariga> tseng: ok lol
[05:03] <schweeb> Jogariga: ignore tseng, he's a slut
[05:03] <schweeb> too weak willed to put mono in main...
[05:04] <whiprush> tseng: don't worry dude, I still fanboi you dude.
[05:04] <tseng> whiprush: rock on.
[05:04] <whiprush> well, at least inotify is upstream now, one less thing.
[05:13] <whiprush> tseng: are you familiar with this libbeagle thing?
[05:13] <whiprush> and how it relates to "nautilus integration"?
[05:14] <tseng> uh
[05:14] <tseng> not so much
[05:14] <tseng> but the idea for nautilus is vfolders based on searches
[05:14] <whiprush> also, you're due to blog. :)
[05:14] <tseng> i am
[05:14] <tseng> but ive got nothing.
[05:14] <tseng> sorry
[05:14] <whiprush> how about a mono update?
[05:14] <tseng> it would be too angry
[05:14] <whiprush> lol
[05:15] <tseng> I could blog a recent CD
[05:15] <tseng> but that doesnt interest many people
[05:17] <crimsun> that's pretty much why I don't bother blogging
[05:18] <crimsun> no one wants to read my drivel about practising or music
[05:18] <tseng> eh
[05:18] <ajmitch> anything I'd blog wouldn't be of interest to people reading planet ubuntu
[05:18] <ajmitch> so I'm not on there
[05:18] <tseng> 419 unique vistors to my site this month
[05:18] <tseng> and i havent made a single new post
[05:18] <tseng> i guess they are all hoping for something
[05:18] <crimsun> plus I'm supar-emo and that's the new pink!@
[05:18] <tseng> crimsun: ...
[05:18] <tseng> i just died inside
[05:18] <tseng> (sorry)
[05:20] <whiprush> yeah dude, really.
[05:21] <tseng> hxc4life
[05:21] <tseng> whiprush brings the metal
[05:21] <tseng> whiprush: did you dig the Beloved?
[05:21] <whiprush> yeah, I dug it
[05:22] <whiprush> that Bachman Turner stuff is cool though
[05:22] <tseng> indeed
[05:22] <crimsun> I have no idea what "emo" is. People are polemic about it, though. It's either the greatest thing or it blows chunks.
[05:22] <tseng> did you get The Black Dahlia Murder?
[05:23] <whiprush> tseng: usually on thursdays I cast a metal show for ars, but it's down at the moment. :-/
[05:23] <whiprush> nope
[05:23] <tseng> crimsun: ok, take a decent modern "punk" band
[05:23] <tseng> crimsun: slow it down and subtract talent and rawness
[05:23] <tseng> crimsun: and add a singer who whines like a girl
[05:23] <tseng> recipe for emo
[05:23] <crimsun> pretty grim
[05:24] <whiprush> http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Emo
[05:24] <tseng> if you are really massochistic
[05:24] <tseng> you can let the whiney frontman try to do hardcore vocals
[05:24] <tseng> w/o any form of transition
[05:25] <crimsun> ok now I feel really old
[05:25] <tseng> but the fashion stuff they have on there applies to hardcore kids too
[05:25] <tseng> so i cant make too much fun
[05:47] <Jogariga> what's the most comprehensive guide to packaging programs?
[05:48] <schweeb> Jogariga: Debian New Maintainer's Guide
[05:48] <schweeb> tseng: masochistic, you barbarian
[05:49] <Jogariga> schweeb: ok thanks
[06:09] <Jogariga> can someone help me with figuring out the libs i need for a package?
[07:28] <jsgotangco> hi
[07:43] <niran> does anyone know any details about how the official backports are going to work?
[07:43] <niran> i.e., is it going to be a separate repo like it is now, or another section of the normal repositories like universe
[07:45] <sivang> morning folks
[07:45] <sivang> Where can I find a list of packages already fixed so I won't redo work?
[07:57] <ajmitch> MOTUGLUTransition?
[07:58] <Lathiat> sivang: yeh, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition
[07:58] <Lathiat> sivang: if your working on something, just put the appropriate comment on the right package
[07:58] <sivang> Lathiat: ok, thanks
[07:59] <sivang> Lathiat: you also helping on that?
[07:59] <Lathiat> sivang: yep
[07:59] <Lathiat> ive tried to mark off all other things affecting those packages as i could find
[07:59] <Lathiat> probably missed some tho
[07:59] <sivang> Lathiat: sooner or later, somebody would hit them and we'll know it :-)
[08:00] <Lathiat> just thought i'd save people some time :)
[08:00] <Lathiat> like the sdl ones are useless until its fixed cus you cant build them
[08:00] <Lathiat> this is a great chance to try the games out ;)
[08:01] <Lathiat> haha, i can find me some good games
[08:03] <sivang> Lathiat: hehe
[08:03] <sivang> Lathiat: anyway, that's a very nice list there, nice to see it's all arranged
[08:04] <sivang> Lathiat: will make working easier
[08:04] <Lathiat> yep :)
[08:04] <sivang> btw, sirestart suggested to use dctrl something to find the need fixing packages (I have the line on my logs)
[08:04] <sivang> the snippet on that wiki page is better?
[08:05] <Lathiat> umm
[08:05] <Lathiat> dunno
[08:05] <Lathiat> thats just my own hackery
[08:05] <Lathiat> dont know hwo to use dctrl :P)
[08:05] <Lathiat> s/P//
[08:05] <sivang> Lathiat: neither do i :-)
[08:06] <Lathiat> yhm
[08:06] <Lathiat> if a package just needs a rebuild
[08:06] <Lathiat> what do i do
[08:06] <Lathiat> put 'build1' on the end
[08:06] <sivang> what's build1 ?
[08:06] <Lathiat> and put a changelog entry of * Rebuild for new glu packages ?
[08:06] <Lathiat> sivang: well, thats what err,... doko? did for some cxx stuff ro whatever that needed rebuilding
[08:07] <sivang> Lathiat: is that a special way to tell the buildd to rebuild it?
[08:07] <sivang> (where do you specify it anyways)
[08:07] <ajmitch> yes
[08:07] <ajmitch> in the changelog
[08:07] <sivang> phee, the stuff you learn here
[08:07] <sivang> :-)
[08:07] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh but what version do i do, increment the ubuntu version or add build1?
[08:07] <ajmitch> :)
[08:08] <ajmitch> Lathiat: ahh... I'd go with increment ubuntu version to avoid -XubuntuYbuildZ, but that's just my opinion
[08:08] <Lathiat> well thats what i'd do too
[08:08] <Lathiat> what if it has no ubuntu version yet
[08:08] <ajmitch> then put XbuildY
[08:08] <Lathiat> so 1.42-2 -> 1.4.2-build1
[08:08] <sivang> ajmitch: why do you need to avoid -XubuntuYbuildZ ?
[08:08] <Lathiat> err, 1.42-2build1
[08:08] <ajmitch> sivang: mainly because it's rather ugly
[08:09] <ajmitch> sivang: apart from that, no reason
[08:09] <ajmitch> and XubuntuY revisions should be kept for packaging changes only
[08:09] <ajmitch> so I can't say what is acceptable :)
[08:09] <Lathiat> assumedly
[08:09] <ajmitch> Lathiat: yeah, just add build1
[08:09] <Lathiat> 1.42-2build1 < 1.42-2ubuntu1
[08:09] <Lathiat> if changes are made later
[08:17] <Lathiat> ugh
[08:18] <Lathiat> my debdiff just picked up changes to config.guess and config.sub
[08:18] <Lathiat> what do i do abou ttha
[08:19] <Lathiat> not that they seem recent, theyre timestamped 2005-04-22
[08:43] <sivang> Lathiat: you can either use vim to remove them,
[08:43] <sivang> Lathiat: but when it happened to me - I just unpacked a new source pkg,
[08:43] <Lathiat> sivang: im just wondering where they came from
[08:43] <Lathiat> since i didnt actually run a build or anything
[08:43] <Lathiat> and the timestamp isnt today
[08:44] <sivang> Lathiat: copied a presaved copy of the hacked files in
[08:44] <sivang> Lathiat: and it solved it
[08:44] <sivang> Lathiat: I know, there is some nonsense going on with those files when you test build
[08:44] <Lathiat> all i did was modify control and run debuild -S <-- is that wrong?
[08:44] <sivang> Lathiat: debuild -S might have triggered autotools invokation
[08:44] <Lathiat> then ran it through pbuild after
[08:44] <Lathiat> sivang: ah, possible i guess
[08:45] <Lathiat> maybe this packages make clean target sucks
[08:45] <sivang> Lathiat: pitti just uses some vim command to take off all the autocrap, I myself just make my hacked files, put therem somewhere safe, get a new fresh source pkg which was never test built,
[08:45] <sivang> Lathiat: make clean not always work, that is most of the times it don't :-)
[08:45] <Lathiat> sivang: s/make clean/debian clean
[08:46] <Treenaks> sivang: scary, that
[08:46] <sivang> Lathiat: and with the fresh package copy in my files, and then my patches went down from ~500lines to the actual amount
[08:46] <Lathiat> sivang: what are you using to generate the debdiff
[08:46] <Lathiat> like im using the .dscs after a debuild
[08:46] <sivang> Kaloz: debdiff
[08:46] <sivang> oops
[08:46] <sivang> Lathiat: debiff follwoing the dsc files
[08:46] <sivang> Lathiat: that is, the two dsc files, the original, and my created onw
[08:47] <sivang> Lathiat: let me recall
[08:47] <Lathiat> and what are you using to generate the dsc ?
[08:47] <Lathiat> and for my next trick, it doesnt actually build
[08:47] <Lathiat> ./libz.a(gzio.o): In function `gz_open':
[08:47] <Lathiat> gzio.c:(.text+0x282): undefined reference to `errno'
[08:47] <Lathiat> yay :)
[08:47] <Lathiat> heh
[08:50] <sivang> Lathiat: you should also have interdiff , which debdiff uses
[08:50] <sivang> Lathiat: so just install it
[08:51] <sivang> 16:25 <pitti> debdiff works between two *.dsc files
[08:51] <sivang> 16:25 <pitti> (or *.deb files, but that's an entirely different feature)
[08:51] <sivang> 16:25 <sivang> can we talk about it in 30 minutes?
[08:51] <sivang> 16:25 <pitti> debdiff g-s-t_latest_hoary.dsc g-s-t_sivans-crack.dsc
[08:51] <sivang> Lathiat: sivans_crack being the new produced .dsc after building the source pkg
[08:51] <sivang> or , rebuilding it for that matter
[08:52] <Lathiat> right, thats what i was doing
[08:52] <Lathiat> im just wondering how to get a .dsc without debuild -S
[08:52] <sivang> Lathiat: don't think you can
[08:52] <Treenaks> Lathiat: dpkg-buildpackage -S :P
[08:52] <Lathiat> Treenaks: ha ha
[08:52] <Treenaks> maybe dpkg-source ?
[08:52] <Lathiat> right, doesnt matter
[08:52] <Lathiat> i'll just hand craft them
[08:52] <sivang> Treenaks: that's the same, but won't run lintian afterwards and debuild does
[08:53] <Treenaks> sivang: I do so manually anyway
[08:53] <sivang> Lathiat: you don't need to hand craft them
[08:53] <Lathiat> sivang: seems about as much effort
[08:53] <sivang> Lathiat: try with a fresh source, put in your hacked files, and debuild -S -uc -us
[08:53] <sivang> Lathiat: well, deos the package use dpatch, or cdbs-simple-patchsys ?
[08:54] <Lathiat> no
[08:54] <sivang> Lathiat: erm, then try the fresh soource pkg approach, always worked for me :-)
[08:56] <HostingGeek> Hi
[08:56] <HostingGeek> I would like to make a deb for gajim.org/
[08:56] <HostingGeek> Who can put in debian for me?
[08:57] <HostingGeek> I hear its already in debian
[08:57] <HostingGeek> someone bring it to ubuntu
[08:57] <HostingGeek> Its the best app ever
[08:57] <Lathiat> sivang: so, you mean by replacing the sourcedir with anew one
[08:57] <Lathiat> sivang: e.g. rm-rf xt-0.9.1; apt-get source xt again
[09:00] <sivang> Lathiat: yes, and just replace the files you hacked on
[09:00] <sivang> Lathiat: if you did any source changes anyway
[09:00] <Lathiat> sivang: right, i didnt
[09:00] <Lathiat> apart from changelo
[09:00] <Lathiat> gand if i do that
[09:00] <Lathiat> the diff still has crap in it
[09:00] <sivang> Lathiat: how did you add the changlog entries?
[09:01] <Lathiat> sivang: dch
[09:01] <sivang> Lathiat: interesting, what is the paackage name?
[09:01] <Lathiat> sivang: xt
[09:08] <sivang> Lathiat: ok, now this package does not exsit for hoary in binary form yet?
[09:08] <sivang> Lathiat: (I can't seem to install it on my breezy)
[09:09] <sivang> Lathiat: oppps, s/hoary/breez/
[09:09] <sivang> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:09] <sivang>   xt: Depends: xlibmesa-glu but it is not going to be installed or
[09:09] <sivang>                libglu1
[09:09] <Lathiat> well
[09:09] <Lathiat> sivang: yes...
[09:09] <Lathiat> sivang: thats why we are fixing it...
[09:09] <sivang> so we need to change this to?
[09:09] <Lathiat> sivang: its changed by building with the new b-ds
[09:10] <Lathiat> sivang: shlibs:dep style
[09:10] <sivang> Lathiat: sorrt, what's b-ds ?
[09:10] <Lathiat> build-deps
[09:10] <sivang> by changing the shared libs it depedsn on. ok, let me look some more
[09:11] <sivang> Build-Depends: debhelper (>> 3.0.0), gtkglarea5-dev, xlibmesa-dev, libgtk1.2-dev, xlibs-dev, debhelper, gettext, autotools-dev, perl, traceroute, host, libgdk-pixbuf-dev
[09:12] <Lathiat> right
[09:12] <Lathiat> in this case
[09:12] <Lathiat> no change is necessary
[09:12] <Lathiat> just a rebuild
[09:12] <Lathiat> because it deps on xlibmesa-dev
[09:12] <Lathiat> which now deps on the right thing
[09:13] <sivang> but the right thing is to depend on libglu1-xorg-dev
[09:13] <sivang> and I don't see it on the depends list..
[09:13] <Treenaks> sivang: build-depend
[09:13] <sivang> eh
[09:13] <sivang> :-)
[09:13] <sivang> woops
[09:14] <sivang> Treenaks: thanks for the waking up
[09:14] <Treenaks> but anyway
[09:14] <Treenaks> I think daniels posted a recipe for "GLU build deps" to u-devel a while ago
[09:14] <sivang> Treenaks: yes, most of it is on the wiki on the MOTUGlu plage
[09:14] <sivang> page
[09:14] <sivang> I think
[09:14] <sivang> Lathiat: right?
[09:15] <sivang> (I just happend to read that thread, and the wiki page seems the same)
[09:15] <Lathiat> no
[09:15] <Lathiat> xlibmesa-dev
[09:15] <Lathiat> is fine
[09:15] <Lathiat> its only if it deps on xlibmesa-glu-dev it needs changing
[09:15] <Lathiat> or well
[09:15] <Lathiat> oh
[09:15] <Lathiat> actually, no
[09:15] <Lathiat> yoru right
[09:15] <sivang> Lathiat: I am right?
[09:16] <Lathiat> sivang: aptcacche show xlibmesa-dev
[09:16] <Lathiat> while xlibmesa-dev would work, it would be better to change them
[09:16] <Lathiat> tooo...
[09:17] <Lathiat> libglu1-xorg-dev | libglu-dev, xlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl-dev
[09:31] <sivang> Lathiat: checking (sorry for the dealy)
[09:32] <sivang> Lathiat: it's xlibmesa-gl-dev, not xlibmesa-dev, or are they the same?
[09:35] <\sh> mornin
[09:39] <Lathiat> sivang: xlibmesa-dev deps on libglu1-xorg-dev *AND* xlibmesa-gl-dev
[09:53] <sivang> Lathiat: so we need to remove xlibmesa-dl-dev from the deps list?
[09:54] <Lathiat> no
[09:54] <Lathiat> bleh
[09:54] <Lathiat> sivang: xlibmesa-glu-dev -> libglu1-xorg-dev | libglu-dev
[09:54] <Lathiat> xlibmesa-gl-dev = fine
[09:54] <Lathiat> xlibmesa-dev = transitional package for both glu and gl
[09:55] <Lathiat> xlibmesa-dev will work, preferred change it to libglu1-xorg-dev | libglu1-dev, xlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl-dev
[10:03] <siretart> morning
[10:05] <sivang> Lathiat: ah ok, thanks , and sorry for being dumb
[10:06] <comadreja> Lathiat : ?
[10:06] <comadreja> morning all
[10:07] <\sh> comadreja: please whitelist your email address for breezy-changes...(write an email to elmo)
[10:07] <comadreja> ok \sh
[10:07] <comadreja> I wrote a little script yesterday for rdepends
[10:08] <comadreja> it's in http://www.drqueue.org/package_rdepends.pl
[10:08] <comadreja> hmmm executes
[10:09] <comadreja> it's in http://www.drqueue.org/package_rdepends (?)
[10:10] <comadreja> there it is
[10:10] <Lathiat> sivang: 'sok, its all a bit confusing
[10:11] <comadreja> Lathiat : ping
[10:11] <Lathiat> comadreja: pong
[10:11] <comadreja> Lathiat : could you check : http://www.drqueue.org/package_rdepends ?
[10:12] <comadreja> I wrote it as a substitute for your script to find the source rdepends
[10:12] <Lathiat> ah
[10:12] <Lathiat> nice
[10:12] <Lathiat> mine was hacked up ++
[10:12] <comadreja> for the transition, but it could help in any onther transition I guess
[10:12] <comadreja> it mentions the section, and the source package
[10:13] <Lathiat> comadreja: whoah, thats cool
[10:13] <Lathiat> comadreja: one slight bug, i get "Section: universe : glob2"
[10:13] <Lathiat> :0
[10:13] <Lathiat> :)
[10:13] <Lathiat> comadreja: your next task.. make it print out a list of failed deps ;)
[10:14] <comadreja> what is that ?
[10:14] <comadreja> cool I'll do
[10:14] <Lathiat> comadreja: apt-cache unmet <package>
[10:14] <Lathiat> comadreja: (only on packages which that script turned up tho, thats asll i care about :)
[10:14] <Lathiat> just to show up packages which need other love
[10:15] <comadreja> I'll work that out...
[10:15] <comadreja> btw, who is elmo ?
[10:15] <Lathiat> ftp msater
[10:15] <Lathiat> master
[10:15] <Lathiat> and sysadmin sortof guy
[10:15] <comadreja> yep, email ?
[10:15] <Lathiat> erm
[10:15] <Lathiat> dunno
[10:15] <Lathiat> search the lists
[10:15] <Lathiat> ;p
[10:15] <comadreja> :)
[10:17] <comadreja> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads Is this the procedure for breezy-changes too ?
[10:17] <comadreja> \sh : ?
[10:19] <\sh> comadreja: yepp
[10:22] <comadreja> thanks :) are they bots ? do they need any special format ?
[10:22] <comadreja> I mean keyring@ and upload@
[10:23] <\sh> no...
[10:23] <\sh> it's elmo
[10:23] <siretart> comadreja: do you know grep-dctrl?
[10:24] <comadreja> siretart : nopes
[10:24] <siretart> for packages build depending on xlibmesa-dev I used this one: grep-dctrl -FBuild-Depends xlibmesa-gl-dev Sources-breezy -sPackage,Version,Build-Depends
[10:24] <siretart> s/xlibmesa-dev/xlibmesa-gl-dev/
[10:25] <comadreja> siretart : oh, cool, would that be the same as apt-cache rdepends ?
[10:25] <siretart> comadreja: no. apt-cache only examines binary packages. this one examines source packages
[10:26] <comadreja> I'll substitute that, then
[10:26] <siretart> comadreja: please note that you would need a up to date "Sources-breezy" from the an archive mirror
[10:27] <comadreja> yep
[10:27] <comadreja> ok, gotta go to work
[10:27] <comadreja> bbl
[10:27] <siretart> http://paste.debian.net/1173 this is the script I use for updating Source-breezy
[10:27] <siretart> cu comadreja
[10:28] <sivang> siretart: you should add this to Lathiat's wiki page :-)
[10:28] <sivang> siretart: I already saw you say this to 3 different people including me :-)
[10:29] <sivang> siretart: (talkinga bout the dctrl thingy)
[10:30] <siretart> sivang: could you do that please? I'm not sure what page you mean, and I have do work here :(
[10:32] <sivang> siretart: ok, I need to find a spare moment and I will
[10:32] <sivang> Lathiat: have you finished up wtih xt ?(sorry for vanishing)
[10:32] <siretart> thank you, I will review the page then..
[10:32] <sivang> siretart: k
[10:33] <Lathiat> sivang: nope
[10:33] <Lathiat> sivang: been doing other things, sorry
[10:33] <sivang> Lathiat: no , I'm also busy it's ok. Talk later
[10:40] <pef> hi
[10:54] <HostingGeek> Everyone look I am famous! I am in this screeny http://david.navi.cx/images/sexy-xchat-gnome.png
[11:14] <herve> morning!
[11:18] <pef> herve: morning
[11:28] <herve> it seems there's fresh blood on #u-m
[11:39] <\sh> hey herve
[11:40] <herve> hi \sh, feel better?
[11:41] <herve> the cxx binary embargo is over?
[11:43] <\sh> herve: some missing links :)
[11:44] <\sh> herve: well...actually I came to terms with everything...
[11:44] <herve> er, wait... does dia have c++ dependency...
[11:45] <herve> silly me, it doesn't
[11:51] <dave_> hi! shot question: i am creating a custom-ubuntu-cd! i do it all in my shell-scripts - what i wonder: can you download the build-shell-scripts/tools of ubuntu anywhere? i _can_ create my own build system - but do i have to ?
[12:50] <herve> see you later
[01:05] <comadreja> \sh : ping
[01:39] <\sh> comadreja: pong
[01:40] <comadreja> \sh : how long does it take usually to get a key included for breezy-changes ?
[01:40] <\sh> comadreja: the key is not important...your email address must be whitelisted.
[01:41] <\sh> comadreja: the key comes first when u r approved by TB
[01:46] <comadreja> \sh : oh, I see
[01:46] <comadreja> \sh : I'll write the mail to upload then
[02:58] <Treenaks> new wine!
[03:00] <\sh> Treenaks: give your love to scott ritchie...i took only his work, renewed the snapshot and uploaded .)
[03:01] <\sh> and actually i made a mistake
[03:01] <\sh> *grmpf*
[03:01] <\sh> I forgot the ubuntu1
[03:01] <Treenaks> \sh: OH NOES
[03:01] <ogra> \sh, next upload :)
[03:01] <sivang> Lathiat: still here?
[03:02] <ogra> \sh, doesnt really matter, since we dont autosync from winehq yet
[03:02] <Lathiat> sivang: ya
[03:02] <Lathiat> sivang: im always here
[03:02] <Lathiat> sivang: just doing various thigns at any one time :)
[03:03] <sivang> Lathiat: cool, have you managed with munging the control file?
[03:03] <sivang> Lathiat: (per xt)
[03:03] <Lathiat> nah havent done anything yet
[03:03] <Lathiat> tomorrow :)
[03:04] <\sh> ogra: yeah....
[03:04] <\sh> ogra: I want to have the new utils for wine as well...winesetuptk is obsolete...so I want to replace it
[03:05] <ogra> \sh, morgue !!
[03:06] <\sh> ogra: yeah..but first i have to do some testing with it...actually, when my tax app is running with wine ,-)
[03:06] <ogra> hehe
[03:06] <Lathiat> \sh: are you australian?
[03:06] <Lathiat> hm, no
[03:07] <\sh> Lathiat: why? no..I'm not :)
[03:23] <JRe> ps666lo
[03:23] <JRe> ow wrong window ;)
[04:17] <pef> siretart: ping
[04:22] <siretart> pef: pong
[04:22] <pef> siretart: hello, what about the libaa transition ?
[04:24] <siretart> pef: I filed yesterday https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12673, and now I wait that an uploader for main uploads fixed aalib and sdllib packages
[04:25] <comadreja> siretart... what do I have to do to get my email white listed by elmo ?
[04:25] <siretart> i don't think we can do anything about this before this happens
[04:25] <siretart> comadreja: write him an email and wait
[04:26] <comadreja> I sent a mail to upload@ubuntulinux.com
[04:26] <pef> siretart: then after we have to make the transition for all packages using libaa ?
[04:26] <siretart> when I requested it it took few days. currently he is in .fi at debconf, so it can take some time
[04:26] <comadreja> .org
[04:26] <comadreja> oh, I see, that's the reason
[04:26] <comadreja> thanks !
[05:04] <siretart> sivang: ah, now I understand what you meant earlier today. thanks for putting it to MOTUGLUTransition
[05:06] <ivoks> hi :)
[05:06] <siretart> huhu ivoks :)
[05:07] <ivoks> uh, bug in evoltution
[05:07] <ivoks> crashes on forward
[05:12] <sivang> siretart: no prob :-)
[05:12] <sivang> siretart: I was glad too
[06:02] <\sh> hmmm
[06:02] <\sh> any workaround for xlibs*41.deb?
[06:02] <\sh> configure returned --1 stop ,-)
[07:10] <bddebian> Heya
[07:14] <ivoks> doh.. cdplayer has fetch cover, but doesn't have fetch data over CDDB
[07:29] <pef> is malone down ?
[07:29] <ogra> launchpad is
[07:29] <pef> ok :[
[07:31] <mitsuhiko> ;(
[07:32] <mitsuhiko> wanted to translate something but rosetta's down
[07:32] <pef> someone can help me with scripts packaging ?
[07:40] <pef> siretart: ping
[07:42] <lamont> mpg123 is ftbfs (dpkg-love needed)
[07:42] <\sh> ???
[07:42] <bddebian> beauty
[07:42] <\sh> i can't even rebuild kde stuff now...
[07:42] <Lathiat> \sh: sup?
[07:42] <\sh> it's the heat, the sun, everything is melting ,-)
[07:43] <\sh> lamont: more package breaks or sourcecode stuff?
[07:44] <\sh> and my kbd is again f'uped
[07:45] <pef> Lathiat: you are member of MOTUgames isn't it ?
[07:45] <lamont>  debian/rules build
[07:45] <lamont> dpkg: unknown option --print-gnu-build-architecture
[07:46] <lamont>        36 Log for failed build of hsc_0.934-1 (dist=breezy)
[07:46] <lamont>        30 Log for failed build of wap-wml-tools_0.0.4-1 (dist=breezy)
[07:46] <lamont> and those are both just plain missing a build-depends: debhelper
[07:46] <lamont> (at least)
[07:47] <\sh> Setting up xlibs (6.8.2-41) ...
[07:47] <\sh> dpkg: error processing xlibs (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[07:47] <lamont> \sh: anything _before_ that?
[07:47] <\sh> nope
[07:47] <\sh> only xlibs
[07:47] <lamont> like the error message that traditionally goes with the exit?
[07:47] <bddebian> Shouldn't that just be dpkg --print-architecture?
[07:47] <\sh> lamont: yeah..but nothing :)
[07:48] <\sh> lamont: and i had to reconfigure my xserver-xorg...and now even my kbd stuff is not working...german layout .. but no altgr+q is working e.g.
[07:49] <\sh> Errors were encountered while processing: xlibs
[07:49] <\sh> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:49] <lamont> add a -x to /var/lib/dpkg/info/xlibs.postinst
[07:49] <lamont> it's probably missing an || true somewhere
[07:50] <\sh> checks for /etc/X11/xkb
[07:50] <\sh> but xkb was deleted before *argl*
[07:51] <\sh> lets try a reinstall
[07:51] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[07:52] <ivoks> bddebian: :)
[07:52] <ivoks> bddebian: could you help me, maybe?
[07:52] <bddebian> ivoks: I doubt it but I'll sure try
[07:52] <bddebian> whassup?
[07:53] <ivoks> packaging :(
[07:53] <bddebian> Whats the problem?
[07:53] <ivoks> we shouldn't change source, right?
[07:53] <ivoks> so i have in rules a rule wich patches source
[07:54] <ivoks> of course, i have to have rule in clean that will unpatch source, right?
[07:54] <ivoks> so.. now, when i try to buildpackage
[07:54] <bddebian> ivoks: I suppose "have to" is a little strong, but I think it is the "right" thing to do :-)
[07:54] <ivoks> it runs clean first
[07:54] <ivoks> and tries to unpatch file that isn't patched
[07:54] <ivoks> but i have to run clean before build
[07:55] <bddebian> Isn't clean, wiping the build tree?
[07:56] <ivoks> Unreversed patch detected!
[07:56] <ivoks> what's that? :(
[07:56] <bddebian> Found a patch that it didn't back out?
[07:56] <GazerWork> ivoks, are you using cdbs or writing your own rules ?
[07:57] <ivoks> own rules
[07:57] <ogra> ivoks, hae you looked at tsengs dpatch howto ?
[07:57] <ivoks> nope...
[07:57] <ivoks> where?
[07:58] <ivoks> (i can't use cddb on this package)
[07:58] <ivoks> cddb :))
[07:58] <bddebian> heh
[07:58] <\sh> ok...I just broke my whole system...
[07:58] <bddebian> Nice
[07:58] <ogra> ivoks, http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7
[07:59] <\sh> removing xlibs breaks system...and ubuntu-desktop / kubuntu-desktop can't be reinstalled, cause of broken packages *argl*
[08:00] <ivoks> ok, this is easy :)
[08:00] <bddebian> :-)
[08:00] <bddebian> Then even my dumb ass should try it? :-)
[08:01] <ogra> ivoks, the missing bit is, you must additionally build-depend on dpatch ;)
[08:01] <ed1t> hello i would like to help out with ubuntu projects to get more experience with linux
[08:01] <bddebian> ed1t: Stand in line :-)
[08:01] <ivoks> ogra: i know that ;) thanks
[08:02] <Lathiat> pef: yes
[08:02] <bddebian> ed1t: :-)
[08:02] <ed1t> lol
[08:02] <ed1t> do i get a ticket number? :P
[08:03] <pef> Lathiat: I had a comment about globulation2, then I found your wiki page and had put comment there :)
[08:03] <ogra> ed1t, oh, you didnt pull one ?
[08:03] <ed1t> no lol
[08:03] <Lathiat> pef: ok :) what was the comment?
[08:03] <ed1t> ahhh its #1!!!
[08:03] <pef> Lathiat: globulation2 = glob2 :)
[08:03] <pef> already present in ubuntu
[08:03] <ed1t> guess im next :P
[08:03] <bddebian> hehe
[08:03] <Lathiat> ah right
[08:04] <ogra> ed1t, have you already seen wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU and the related pages ?
[08:05] <ed1t> yea
[08:07] <ivoks> bddebian: man, what's up?
[08:07] <ivoks> bddebian: how's wife? kids?
[08:08] <bddebian> Can anyone tell me what this lintian problem is: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/571 ?
[08:08] <ivoks> siretart: ping
[08:08] <bddebian> ivoks: Good, except for my lame-ass job and lack of hacking skillz, thanks.  How about you?
[08:09] <ivoks> bddebian: well, same thing... but i'm working on my hacking skillz
[08:09] <ivoks> bddebian: maybe you should too? :)
[08:09] <ivoks> bddebian: well, i consider my job perfect
[08:09] <bddebian> ivoks: I try but no one loves me :-)
[08:10] <bddebian> ogra just laughs at me ;-)
[08:10] <ivoks> bddebian: bddebian that's cause he likes you
[08:10] <ivoks> you have to be optimistic and have a better view of live
[08:10] <ivoks> not only "nobody likes me" "me talks to me" etc
[08:10] <bddebian>  Bah, I'm a realist ;-)
[08:11] <ogra> bddebian, you built a native package ?
[08:11] <bddebian> ogra: Upgrade from upstream
[08:11] <ogra> have the orig.tar.gz around ?
[08:11] <bddebian> ogra: I "made" one :-)
[08:11] <bddebian> ivoks: Congrats :-)
[08:12] <tritium> bddebian, did you take my python-pyrtf and fix it up?
[08:12] <bddebian> tritium: Yes, that is where that lintian error is from
[08:12] <ogra> with <name_vers.orig.tar.gz> (note the _)?
[08:12] <tritium> checking it
[08:12] <bddebian> python-pyrtf_0.45.orig.tar.gz
[08:13] <ogra> hmm
[08:13] <ogra> looks ok
[08:14] <ogra> how did you build the new source pkg ?
[08:14] <bddebian> dpkg-buildpackage
[08:14] <ogra> no options ?
[08:14] <bddebian>  -tc -us
[08:15] <ogra> new upstream version ?
[08:15] <bddebian> Yes
[08:15] <ogra> so how about -sa ;)
[08:16] <bddebian> hmm
[08:17] <ivoks> ok, revu isn't quite automatic :(
[08:17] <ivoks> \sh: ping
[08:18] <bddebian> Doh, I suck.. :'-(
[08:18] <bddebian> W: python-pyrtf source: changelog-should-mention-nmu
[08:18] <bddebian> W: python-pyrtf source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.45-0ubuntu1
[08:19] <ogra> thats fine
[08:19] <ogra> we dont have NMUs in ubuntu so this error is pointless ;)
[08:19] <bddebian> Oh, hehe
[08:19] <ogra> no other errors ?
[08:19] <ivoks> no, only 4 E :)
[08:19] <bddebian> ogra: Nope
[08:19] <ogra> bddebian, congrats :)
[08:20] <bddebian> ogra: On what?
[08:20] <\sh> ivoks: Prngadasdf system failure
[08:20] <ogra> bddebian, to a fine package
[08:20] <ivoks> \sh: oh... i see you are busy :)
[08:20] <bddebian> Oh, heh, thanks
[08:20] <ivoks> \sh: have fun ;)
[08:20] <ogra> bddebian, now build it clean in pbuilder :)
[08:20] <bddebian> Now, if I could get this damn free-pascal to build
[08:20] <bddebian> What is the fascination with pbuilder? :-)
[08:20] <ivoks> bddebian: it's clean breezy
[08:21] <ivoks> clean, pure gold :)
[08:21] <bddebian> ivoks: But I built this on breezy :-)
[08:21] <pef> a new package should be named foo-x.y-0ubuntu1 right ?
[08:21] <ogra> bddebian, you see if it builds on the buildd...
[08:21] <bddebian> Ahh
[08:21] <bddebian> pef: I think so
[08:21] <ivoks> lol
[08:21] <ivoks> joke of the year
[08:21] <ivoks> anyone interested?
[08:22] <pef> _o/
[08:22] <ogra> bddebian, which is dependent of the right choice of build deps you made...
[08:22] <ivoks> I was wondering if perhaps some work could be done to some script to run AutoCAD Native in Unbuntu. The Wine Emulation does not function well.
[08:22] <bddebian> AutoCAD? barf :-)
[08:22] <ogra> ivoks, hehe, yes this one's funny...
[08:23] <siretart> ivoks: pong
[08:23] <siretart> pef: pong
[08:23] <ivoks> siretart: i uploaded new wifi-radar
[08:23] <seth_k> bddebian: pbuilder pwns, you should use it so that you're sure your builds work on more than just your computer
[08:23] <siretart> ivoks: I'm online via wifi-radar and wpa, just a few wpasupplicant related patches were needed ;)
[08:24] <pef> siretart: idea for revu : is it possible to be notified by email on changes ?
[08:24] <ivoks> siretart: well, you have brand new source now on REVU, patch it
[08:24] <bddebian> I AM BUILDING IT IN pbuilder SHEESH.. ;-P
[08:24] <siretart> ivoks: yes I will. Need to do some investigation why wpasupplicant does not support creation of pid file
[08:25] <siretart> ivoks: wifi-radar expects wpasupplicant supporting option -P. wpasupplicant in hoary does not support that. Need to check breezy version
[08:25] <bddebian> Hmm, I'm getting 404 errors to uk.archive.ubuntu.com
[08:25] <Lathiat> wifi-radar is boring
[08:26] <Lathiat> gtk-wifi is cool
[08:26] <Lathiat> but the python sudo bit is a tad on the insecure side
[08:26] <seth_k> good boy bddebian, cookie for you
[08:26] <Lathiat> apart from taht its nice
[08:26] <bddebian> seth_k: :-)
[08:26] <Lathiat> kicks the pants off network manager which eats all your network interfaces
[08:26] <siretart> pef: In principle yes. could you define some email sending policy?
[08:26] <bddebian> WTF?
[08:26] <bddebian> Authentication warning overridden.
[08:26] <bddebian> Err http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main debconf-i18n 1.4.51ubuntu2
[08:26] <bddebian>   404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[08:26] <siretart> pef: I would need exactly when an email should be sent and when not
[08:26] <ivoks> Lathiat: gtk-wifi?
[08:26] <ogra> bddebian, try gb :)
[08:27] <pef> siretart: new comment of a MOTU, package accepted
[08:27] <bddebian> When did that change?
[08:27] <seth_k> it's always been that way
[08:27] <ogra> dunno, i use archive directly....
[08:27] <ogra> just a good guess
[08:27] <bddebian> I have uk.xxx in my normal sources.list
[08:27] <seth_k> ua = ukraine, gb = united kingdom, and there is no uk
[08:28] <siretart> pef: for revu2 I will definitly think about this. for current revu implementation, consider writing a patch ;)
[08:28] <bddebian> ogra: Well I was having problems with US for a little bit there :-)
[08:29] <ivoks> ogra: did you see how many bugs I worked on yestrday?
[08:29] <ogra> bddebian, for development its better to have archive.ubuntu.com ... at least if you wait for a lib you just built to build your package on.... no mirror latency
[08:29] <pef> siretart: why don't make a wiki page for suggestions ?
[08:29] <ogra> ivoks, i didnt check it yet
[08:30] <ivoks> ogra: 20 i think... even closed few of them :)
[08:31] <bddebian> ogra: OK, thanks
[08:31] <ivoks> siretart: ping
[08:31] <ivoks> siretart: why aren't new packages on the list?
[08:32] <siretart> pef_aw: there are actually 2 pages: REVU and REVUDevelopment
[08:32] <siretart> ivoks: they are not?
[08:32] <ivoks> siretart: nope..
[08:33] <siretart> ivoks: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=132 is linked from the main page
[08:33] <siretart> your latest upload to revu
[08:33] <ivoks> siretart: ah, i see... i tought this is automatic
[08:35] <bddebian> ed1t: I hate to say this but to some degree you are on your own to start out.  Check around the wiki site and see what you can do.
[08:35] <bddebian> ed1t: If you know Ubuntu fairly well, come join us on the New User Network team
[08:36] <ed1t> hmmm
[08:37] <ed1t> well im not that good at ubuntu, i just start using like 2/3 weeks ago
[08:37] <bddebian> ed1t: Do you know GNU/Linux fairly well?  Or better yet, Debian GNU/Linux?
[08:38] <ed1t> yea
[08:38] <bddebian> You could still be a big help to new users in #ubuntu then
[08:39] <bddebian> OK, damnit, I have updated my /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/pbuilder/apt.conf/sources.list and it is still using uk.ubuntu...??
[08:40] <ed1t> bddebian, where is the join us form or place for New User network team?
[08:40] <bddebian> ed1t: I have to find the link quick, hang on
[08:40] <ed1t> k
[08:41] <seth_k> ed1t: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/unp/+join
[08:42] <bddebian> Thanks seth_k
[08:42] <ed1t> thx
[08:42] <bddebian> Looks like it builds in pbuilder
[08:43] <ed1t> time to leave work and go home...cya all later
[08:43] <bddebian> Later ed1t
[08:44] <ivoks> beagle works for you?
[08:51] <\sh> is breezy working again? *lol*
[08:51] <bddebian> beagle?
[08:53] <bddebian> See, ivoks, ogra is ignoring me again.. :'-(
[08:53] <bddebian> ;-P
[08:57] <ogra> yay bddebian !
[09:01] <tritium> bddebian, congratulations :)
[09:04] <ivoks> :)
[09:04] <ivoks> \sh: breezy works for me :)
[09:05] <\sh> ivoks: don't update ;-)
[09:05] <\sh> and don't remove xlibs ;-)
[09:05] <ivoks> i updated allready
[09:20] <comadreja> hello :) ... regarding the package I prepared for kismet, should I forget about it ?
[09:24] <Nafallo> comadreja: package for kismet? what upstream version is it? :-)
[09:25] <comadreja> 2005.06.R1
[09:26] <comadreja> I needed ipw2200, I guess a lot of people will find it useful
[09:27] <Lathiat> ooh that version has ipw2200 support?
[09:27] <Lathiat> thatl rock :)
[09:27] <comadreja> yep
[09:27] <comadreja> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=101
[09:27] <comadreja> there it is waiting for a good review :)
[09:30] <Lathiat> well, siretart has made some comments
[09:30] <Lathiat> have you addressed them?
[09:30] <comadreja> I thought it had to be reviewed by more people
[09:31] <Lathiat> Yeh but if osmeone makes a review with some comment sof things tofix
[09:31] <Lathiat> you should fix them :)
[09:31] <Lathiat> and reupload
[09:31] <Lathiat> and more will review
[09:31] <comadreja> oh, but what is to be fixed ?
[09:31] <Lathiat> if ou need help with the changes
[09:31] <Lathiat> feel free to ask around
[09:31] <Lathiat> comadreja: it says on that page
[09:31] <comadreja> the lintian warnings are because of the orig sources
[09:31] <Lathiat> nothing major by the sounds of things
[09:32] <Lathiat> comadreja: he says theres some more, shrug
[09:32] <comadreja> that have CVS directories
[09:32] <Lathiat> comadreja: if you think its fine, then have a chat with siretart or someone else
[09:32] <comadreja> more than the previous
[09:32] <Lathiat> make sure they are ok
[09:32] <comadreja> One question
[09:32] <comadreja> the nmu thing...
[09:33] <comadreja> should I number it the debian way because of that ?
[09:33] <Nafallo> packages.debian.org down?
[09:33] <bddebian> So now can I be an MOTU??
[09:33] <Lathiat> comadreja: just append ubuntu1 to the debian version, i think
[09:33] <Lathiat> comadreja: migh twant to double check with someone else
[09:33] <comadreja> Lathiat : that's what I did
[09:33] <Lathiat> but that would make sense to me
[09:33] <Lathiat> ok, soudns good to me
[09:34] <comadreja> then I have to convince siretart :D
[09:34] <Lathiat> im just building it now
[09:34] <Lathiat> give it a testout
[09:34] <Lathiat> just waitin gfor pbuilder to do its thing
[09:34] <comadreja> cool :)
[09:34] <Nafallo> has debian even packaged 2005.06.R1 yet?
[09:34] <comadreja> nopes
[09:35] <comadreja> in unstable you have 2005.04.R1
[09:35] <Nafallo> yea, which didn't build because of the kernel-headers crap.
[09:36] <Nafallo> that is fixed in 2005.06.R1 ;-)
[09:36] <comadreja> I built it with no problems with pbuilder
[09:38] <comadreja> Lathiat : ;)
[09:38] <Lathiat> i need mroe cpu
[09:39] <Lathiat> a 2.0ghz pentium-m just isnt fast enough
[09:40] <Lathiat> hehe
[09:40] <Lathiat> need more ram
[09:40] <Lathiat> nother 512 or 1G woudl be nice
[09:40] <Lathiat> another 512 woudl be cheaper
[09:41] <comadreja> :D you bad
[09:41] <Lathiat> thats only $62 vs $190
[09:41] <siretart> comadreja: have you addressed the additional lintian warnings in your updated kismet package?
[09:41] <Nafallo> comadreja: you will probably want to change a bit in debian/control
[09:41] <comadreja> wich additional ?
[09:42] <comadreja> I just seen the warnings about CVS dirs
[09:42] <comadreja> Nafallo : sure
[09:42] <comadreja> letme check
[09:42] <Nafallo> comadreja: gpsd instead of gpsdrive :-)
[09:43] <Lathiat> comadreja: be nic eto include some sample source lines like the old debian packages
[09:43] <siretart> comadreja: run lintian on the version in breezy and compare with the lintian report of your package
[09:43] <Nafallo> comadreja: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/kismet/
[09:44] <Lathiat> nice
[09:44] <Lathiat> it works
[09:44] <Lathiat> thats so rad
[09:44] <siretart> comadreja: i'm not at home right now, will look at it tomorrow
[09:44] <comadreja> siretart : thanks a lot
[09:44] <comadreja> I will try to make it better
[09:44] <comadreja> I'll use dpatch btw
[09:45] <Lathiat> siretart: well uh, it works, so tahts a plus :)
[09:45] <Lathiat> this is rad
[09:45] <Lathiat> comadreja: you rock :)
[09:45] <Lathiat> now just get it fixed up so it can go into universe :)
[09:45] <comadreja> Lathiat : thanks ;)
[09:45] <siretart> comadreja: did you manage to get in touch with francois? (debian maintainer)
[09:45] <Nafallo> I was hoping that debian maintainer would fix kismet so we could bring it in and drop the ubuntu1 ;-)
[09:45] <comadreja> siretart : nopes, I'll write him personally
[09:46] <siretart> that would be great
[09:46] <comadreja> siretart : no answers to the bug reports
[09:46] <siretart> comadreja: perhaps he is at debconf
[09:46] <comadreja> siretart : let's try
[09:46] <Lathiat> wow kismet has got support for lots more cards
[09:46] <Nafallo> siretart: I asked Mithrandir before. seems he was not :-/.
[09:46] <Lathiat> madwifi support too
[09:47] <Nafallo> Lathiat: rt2x00 ;-)
[09:47] <Lathiat> and rt2[45] 00
[09:47] <Lathiat> and rt8180
[09:47] <Lathiat> damn
[09:47] <Lathiat> ooh, wrt54g too
[09:47] <Lathiat> dam
[09:47] <Lathiat> n
[09:47] <Lathiat> thats impresive :)
[09:48] <siretart> Lathiat: well, madwifi support is encouraging me to update kismet *g*
[09:50] <Nafallo> kismet 2005.04.R1 that we have (but doesn't build) doesn't differ from debian from what I've seen :-). The best solution in my opinion is to either wait for debian or ask debian to take an update from us :-).
[09:50] <Nafallo> for 2005.06.R1 that is...
[09:51] <comadreja> ok, I wrote Francois
[09:51] <Nafallo> comadreja: rock! :-)
[09:51] <comadreja> offering him the package I have
[09:52] <comadreja> :)
[09:56] <Nafallo> siretart: I want to comment on kismet, where can I get the login? :-)
[09:57] <Nafallo> if I need one for comments only that is ;-)
[10:00] <comadreja> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//REVU
[10:03] <siretart> Nafallo: commenting as non reviewer only for own comments atm. sorry
[10:04] <Nafallo> siretart: ahh, oki
[10:07] <bddebian> Bah, where are the NewPackages or SuggestedPackages or whatever the fsck it is called?
[10:11] <bddebian> Ack, how the fsck do you people know what to work on?  I'm looking at unmet deps list...
[10:21] <tritium> see you later on
[10:32] <bddebian> ogra: You still around?