| tvo | Riddell: you interested in a chat I had on #bksys about rpath? | 12:23 |
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| Riddell | tvo: sure | 12:23 |
| tvo | Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/SF0xLb84.html didn't get the formatting right though | 12:26 |
| === tvo is still looking for a better copy option in xchat. and btw: | ||
| === tvo succesfully created a .dsc, .deb .orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz :) | ||
| tvo | btw, should I gpg sign my package? | 12:29 |
| Riddell | tvo: yeah sign it is good practice | 12:30 |
| Riddell | I should look into what rpath is :) | 12:31 |
| tvo | k have to set up some keys and look into that too :) | 12:31 |
| tvo | you read the chat? | 12:31 |
| Riddell | yes, interesting chat | 12:31 |
| tvo | so, either I'm going to release the tarball with rpath and the debian packages without, | 12:32 |
| tvo | or I find some better info :) | 12:32 |
| Riddell | tvo: the .orig should be the same in both cases | 12:35 |
| tvo | yeah in that case the removal of rpath would go in the diff | 12:36 |
| Riddell | yep | 12:36 |
| Riddell | or better in debian/patches/foo.diff | 12:36 |
| === tvo browses debian-ocaml-maint, looking for rpath | ||
| uniq | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?RpathIssue | 12:38 |
| === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Mez] : Kubuntu 5.04 Released http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu || w00t for katapult :D - please idle in #katapult | ||
| Mez | Riddell, things are looking good for us! | 12:39 |
| Riddell | 23:39 [freenode2] -!- Cannot join to channel #katapult (You have joined to too many channels) | 12:39 |
| Mez | *giggles* | 12:40 |
| Mez | lmao | 12:40 |
| Mez | how many channels you on ? | 12:40 |
| Riddell | 20 is the limit | 12:40 |
| Mez | you're on 20 channels? | 12:40 |
| Mez | what channels? I only see a few | 12:40 |
| Mez | * [Riddell] #ubuntu #ubuntu-motu #ubuntu-meeting #kubuntu #ubuntu-devel #kubuntu-devel | 12:40 |
| tvo | uniq: thanks, reading it now | 12:41 |
| uniq | i can't do anything now that the shiny new xorg removed my xkb rules. | 12:42 |
| tvo | 62,400 rpath issues on google :) | 12:53 |
| tvo | anyway, there doesn't seem to be a right track: ~150,000 (add OR enable) rpath, almost same number (remove OR erase) rpath | 12:56 |
| tvo | :-/ | 12:56 |
| tvo | slightly more add rpath than remove rpath though | 12:56 |
| tvo | sometimes people fix things by adding rpath, sometimes by removing it :-/ | 12:57 |
| tvo | :-s | 12:57 |
| uniq | rpath is disabled in the kde packages. | 12:58 |
| tvo | hmm, debian upstream seems to prefer rpath disabled it seems | 01:01 |
| tvo | seems I'll go for no rpath for now.... | 01:02 |
| Mez | Riddell: whenever I use "save session" It'll never ghet a copy of thunderbird to load on login... any ideas why? | 01:07 |
| Riddell | Mez: because it isn't kde | 01:07 |
| Mez | ...? | 01:08 |
| Mez | FF stays loaded, so does gaim :D | 01:08 |
| tvo | Riddell: how large is kubuntu, you can answer in #kubuntu :D | 01:19 |
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| katoc | hi there!! | 01:19 |
| uniq | ah.. found a bunch of old xorg debs :) | 01:19 |
| uniq | now my keyboard works.. @ and all. | 01:19 |
| uniq | hi katoc. | 01:19 |
| katoc | have you modify a kubuntu install cd | 01:19 |
| katoc | ? | 01:20 |
| uniq | I have not. | 01:20 |
| uniq | i suggest asking in #ubuntu-devel about modifying cds. | 01:22 |
| tvo | laterzz, i'm off to bed.. | 01:23 |
| katoc | uniq, 10x | 01:23 |
| uniq | gnite tvo. | 01:24 |
| fromoze | Riddell: New record on #kubuntu-es: now 8 users and at least 12 different has come in along the day. | 01:26 |
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| Riddell | fromoze: cool, maybe people do read the website :) | 01:27 |
| fromoze | Riddell: And I've introduce on barrapunto.org (spanish slashdot) a notice on my user blog asking for StR. I get an answer saying "I'm StR, but I've forgot my password"... I dunno, the answer arrive too quick, less 10 minuts | 01:27 |
| uniq | freenode staff will remove him for you.. 6 weeks since last login.. | 01:30 |
| fromoze | but he's whon registered the channel :/ | 01:30 |
| Riddell | I asked madkiss earlier, no reply | 01:31 |
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| uniq | ok. | 01:32 |
| pef | good night ! | 01:32 |
| uniq | nite pef. | 01:32 |
| uniq | riddell: did you make a oo.o vs koffice spec for breezy? | 01:33 |
| Riddell | uniq: nope, writers block | 01:33 |
| uniq | ok. | 01:33 |
| Riddell | maybe I should do that now | 01:34 |
| Riddell | poke me and I'll do it | 01:34 |
| Riddell | otherwise I'll go to bed | 01:34 |
| uniq | i can list a few pro/cons if you need help to get started. | 01:34 |
| uniq | or i could go to bed too.. and we can do it all tomorrow or later. | 01:36 |
| uniq | let's do it later. I'll have to be up 0900 tomorro.. that's in 6 hours. time flies. | 01:41 |
| uniq | gnite. | 01:41 |
| === Mez pokes riddell | ||
| Mez | do it :d | 01:42 |
| === Mez wubbles koffice | ||
| Mez | Kugar = grat | 01:43 |
| Mez | great | 01:43 |
| Mez | o_O | 01:44 |
| Mez | kivio ? | 01:44 |
| uniq | the only problem with koffice is the random crashing.. and the ms office support. | 01:44 |
| Mez | shouldnt that be "umbrello" | 01:44 |
| Mez | I dont get the random crashing | 01:44 |
| Mez | MSO support sux thogh | 01:45 |
| Riddell | it's always crashed randomly for me | 01:45 |
| Riddell | kivio was terrible last I tried (which was years ago) | 01:45 |
| Riddell | Mez: and nobody knows what the heck Kugar does | 01:45 |
| Mez | Riddell - it's a bit like crystal reports :D | 01:46 |
| Mez | lol | 01:46 |
| Mez | I've used it before | 01:46 |
| === Mez wonders where the "access" replacement has gone | ||
| Mez | and kexi | 01:46 |
| uniq | kexi and krita are nice. | 01:46 |
| uniq | i have more problems with kword and kpresenter. | 01:46 |
| === Mez has no kexi | ||
| uniq | me neither at the moment. | 01:47 |
| Riddell | kexi is in universe, if someone wants test out the mdb driver and check that it's packaging is good that would be nice | 01:47 |
| Mez | then whats the point of jugar ? | 01:47 |
| Mez | (am using hoary) | 01:47 |
| Mez | if there's no kexi | 01:47 |
| Mez | kugar = no point | 01:47 |
| Riddell | Mez: kugar has been around a lot lot longer than kexi | 01:48 |
| Mez | I thought kugar was a report thing for DBs though.... | 01:48 |
| Riddell | not just DBs | 01:49 |
| Riddell | but it was pretty useless | 01:49 |
| Mez | I thought it was for DBs | 01:49 |
| Riddell | well for any structured data I guess | 01:49 |
| Mez | therfore in Koffice - kugar without kexi =- poop | 01:49 |
| Riddell | which is why its existance causes confusion | 01:50 |
| Mez | ooh, I got a copy of the katapult icon | 01:50 |
| Riddell | it was written by theKompany, I guess they had some need for it | 01:50 |
| Riddell | Mez: let's see | 01:50 |
| === Mez is looking | ||
| Mez | funky... | 01:51 |
| Mez | weird but funky | 01:51 |
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| === uniq is very pro oo.o after using koffice for ~3 weeks | ||
| Riddell | have you seen oo.o2? the buttons don't even fit on the toolbar | 01:53 |
| Riddell | not at 1024 anyway | 01:53 |
| uniq | haven't tested oo.o2 much. | 01:53 |
| uniq | tried to use the first build for hoary. it crashed opening it's own files so i gave up. | 01:54 |
| === uniq is starting oo.o2 | ||
| uniq | nice.. new splash | 01:55 |
| uniq | hey, oo.o2 looks nice. | 01:56 |
| uniq | almost kde-ish. | 01:56 |
| === Riddell pokes Mez | ||
| Riddell | uniq: do the fonts look half decent? do the buttons fit on the bar? | 01:56 |
| Mez | still uploading, my comp'#s being a bitch | 01:56 |
| === uniq starts ksnapshot | ||
| Mez | oh, for f**k sake | 01:58 |
| === Riddell hands Mez scp | ||
| === uniq hands mez fish:/ | ||
| Mez | Riddell: they're up it's just my CMS is ebing a btich abiout them | 02:00 |
| Mez | I'm using fish:/ | 02:00 |
| Mez | :P | 02:00 |
| === Riddell takes uniq's fish:/ and ups to sftp:/ | ||
| === uniq tries to change the subject to oo.o2 with this screenshot: http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/dull/ss2.png | ||
| Riddell | uniq: tried using fish:/ or sftp:/ with openoffice? only half works | 02:05 |
| Riddell | yeah, the buttons don't fit. how braindead is that? | 02:05 |
| uniq | it's better than a crashing koffice imho. | 02:05 |
| Mez | http://www.sourceguru.net/stuff/12/katapult-icons | 02:06 |
| Riddell | I know I know | 02:06 |
| Mez | the second one makes me think | 02:07 |
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| Mez | "nananananananananananananananananananananananana" | 02:07 |
| Mez | "BATMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!" | 02:07 |
| Riddell | weird | 02:08 |
| Mez | what do you think? | 02:08 |
| Riddell | not sure any of them would look good at 22x22, too detailed | 02:09 |
| Mez | hence the iddly ones :d | 02:10 |
| Riddell | but but... what the heck is it? | 02:11 |
| Mez | thats what I was about to say | 02:11 |
| seth_k | Riddell++, my thought exactly | 02:11 |
| Riddell | oh well, it's not like we'll have the icon showing at all | 02:12 |
| Mez | ol | 02:19 |
| Mez | I'll email him back saying 2we don't think it'll scaletoo well to 22x22 - btw, wtf is it? | 02:19 |
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| Mez | I think it's meant to resemble some sort of barista | 02:26 |
| Mez | ballista * | 02:27 |
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| doko | Riddell: ping | 09:15 |
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| doko | Riddell: once daniels stops splitting every man page out of xbase-clients, could you check to replace the xbase-clients dependency in kde4libs ? | 09:36 |
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| \sh | doko: even ubuntu-desktop is borked because of this...i just destroyed everything here | 09:57 |
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| pef | hi | 11:54 |
| JRe | hi pef | 11:55 |
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| tvo | hmm, it seems that slocate regexp matching is really broken, could someone confirm that? | 12:16 |
| Riddell | tvo: slocate -r works for me | 12:24 |
| tvo | Riddell: hmm, it's weird, only very few regexp commands are supported than | 12:25 |
| tvo | | * + don't work for me | 12:25 |
| tvo | nevermind, it does matching on the entire path, not a substring | 12:27 |
| JRe | Riddell: there is no kdissert package in ubuntu ? | 12:27 |
| Riddell | JRe: breezy only I think | 12:27 |
| JRe | Riddell: ow yeah! thks. | 12:28 |
| tvo | hmm, no, it just takes way longer if I add .* to begin and end of pattern | 12:29 |
| tvo | Riddell: which expression(s) did you try? | 12:31 |
| Riddell | tvo: random .* | 12:36 |
| tvo | I think I understand, it's just a way too old regexp format | 12:36 |
| tvo | special characters are escaped instead of unescaped in many cases | 12:36 |
| tvo | and it's incompatible with QRegExp, so in current implementation regexp isn't even possible | 12:37 |
| tvo | in kio-locate | 12:37 |
| JRe | Riddell: there is an iso of hoary with the KDE 3.4.1 packages ? | 12:46 |
| Riddell | JRe: yes http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice-14.php | 12:48 |
| JRe | Riddell: thanks a lot | 12:48 |
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| tvo | Riddell: is this .diff and .orig stuff in the source package required? | 01:27 |
| JRe | tvo: yes | 01:27 |
| JRe | tvo: dsc *diff.gz and *.orig.gz | 01:28 |
| tvo | hmm, I can build a package with just a .tar.gz, but | 01:28 |
| JRe | s/dsc/*.dsc/ | 01:28 |
| tvo | but I've not yet figured out how to make a diff and orig | 01:28 |
| JRe | tvo: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 01:28 |
| JRe | tvo: but read debian NM guide first | 01:28 |
| Riddell | tvo: you can make a package with just a .tar.gz but that's generally only a good idea for small packages with no upstream | 01:29 |
| Riddell | tvo: you make the .orig.gz yourself then debuild makes the .diff | 01:29 |
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| tvo | let me try that.. | 01:29 |
| JRe | tvo: the naming convention for the orig is this one: package_version.orig.tar.gz | 01:30 |
| tvo | JRe: so bz2 is also not possible? | 01:30 |
| Riddell | no, gz only | 01:30 |
| JRe | tvo: no | 01:30 |
| tvo | k thanks | 01:30 |
| pef | Riddell: dh_make handle bzip2 no ? (not at the moment ) | 01:32 |
| Riddell | don't think so | 01:34 |
| tvo | I think I'm getting the right files now, still compiling... | 01:35 |
| pef | Riddell: I think yes ;) grep bzip /usr/bin/dh_make | 01:36 |
| Riddell | pef: that's for sources which are bzip2, it converts them to gz | 01:37 |
| pef | Riddell: misunderstood, sorry :) | 01:38 |
| tvo | got the right package files.. now testing again... | 01:39 |
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| tvo | hmm seems I've accidentally deleted the new help file I typed a few days ago :( | 01:54 |
| pef | tvo: backups rox :) | 01:55 |
| tvo | pef: yes, I'm still looking, it might be an issue with the build system | 01:55 |
| tvo | there's some weird kind of caching in the help system it seems.. | 02:02 |
| tvo | or the new bksys installs them in the wrong place.. | 02:03 |
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| tvo | aaaaargh build system changed kio_locate into kio-locate :) that was the problem, it's solved now | 02:18 |
| OculusAquilae | hi | 02:31 |
| OculusAquilae | hi | 02:31 |
| OculusAquilae | do we have any program for breezy making it possible to install .debs by clicking on it or do you don't think that this is neccassary? | 02:32 |
| tvo | I don't know if we have it, but it would be fairly easy to link .debs to a graphical program which does dpkg -i with a progess bar I think.. | 02:34 |
| OculusAquilae | but it should install the deps via apt-get, too, shouldn't it | 02:35 |
| uniq | we have kpackage.. maybe it's to complex for simple things like installing a package. | 02:36 |
| uniq | don't know if you can make it install a .deb by passing a few parameters to it.. | 02:37 |
| Riddell | OculusAquilae: we don't, and it would be good, but it depends on kapture stuff getting developed | 02:37 |
| OculusAquilae | uniq: I think kpackage is to complicated for our uses, isn't it | 02:37 |
| OculusAquilae | Riddell: Who is developing kapture | 02:38 |
| Riddell | mornfall | 02:38 |
| Riddell | he's currently working on libapt-front which is a nice library for apt | 02:38 |
| OculusAquilae | thanks | 02:47 |
| pef | Riddell: kde-devel seems to be broken | 02:47 |
| Riddell | pef: the mailing list? | 02:49 |
| Riddell | oh no, the package | 02:49 |
| Riddell | pef: what's up with it? | 02:49 |
| pef | Riddell: not installable in breezy | 02:49 |
| Riddell | pef: what's the error | 02:50 |
| pef | Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Z8Mebt27.html | 02:50 |
| === Riddell starts a new chroot | ||
| \sh | yes | 02:52 |
| \sh | i think these are x dep issues :( | 02:52 |
| Riddell | they will be | 02:53 |
| \sh | but thx to god..not only kde is broken ,-) | 02:53 |
| Riddell | yes, saw seb having much the same conversation with daniels this morning as I had yesterday | 02:53 |
| \sh | what was the consense? | 02:54 |
| Riddell | "how do I build anything without libXrender.la?" "fix all the other .la files that still reference it" | 02:55 |
| \sh | u mean, we have to rebuild the whole system because one file moved from a to b? | 02:56 |
| === \sh is a bit nervous right now...updating to breezy again :( | ||
| Riddell | \sh: it's not been moved, it's been removed | 02:57 |
| \sh | yeah..removed == moved to /bin/trash | /dev/null ,-) | 02:58 |
| pef | be careful with upgrading, xkb is totally broken | 02:58 |
| === \sh will get the @ sign later on via copy&paste from a mail ,-) | ||
| Riddell | oh what larks, xbase-clients is broken again | 02:59 |
| \sh | more then that | 03:00 |
| \sh | it's completly destroyed | 03:00 |
| pef | it's simply missing :D | 03:00 |
| \sh | xhost xdpyinfo etc. is missing, yes, xbase-clients is destroyed ,-) | 03:00 |
| pef | \sh: your keymap is currently broken ? | 03:01 |
| \sh | pef: not now...but give me 10 mins | 03:01 |
| pef | \sh: wrote the fix on paper ;) https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12695 | 03:01 |
| \sh | hmmm..firefox is crashing :( | 03:03 |
| \sh | no konqeuror anymore... | 03:03 |
| \sh | looks as a good solution for a workaround | 03:04 |
| pef | but this fix didn't work as is for me | 03:05 |
| \sh | Riddell: so which b-d we have to move out of the way for fixing the missed libXrender issue? | 03:06 |
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| Riddell | \sh: b-d? | 03:07 |
| \sh | build-dep | 03:07 |
| Riddell | \sh: the problem isn't in build-deps, it's in other X packages which still mention libXrender.la in their .la files | 03:08 |
| Riddell | http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuOfficeSuite discuss. | 03:16 |
| Riddell | you need a launchpad login to edit | 03:16 |
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| haggai | why is stuff still in udu.wiki instead of wiki. ? | 03:32 |
| Riddell | haggai: I think the specs for breezy will always be on udu just because that's where they started | 03:33 |
| JRe | Riddell: there is a package of OO2 ? | 03:34 |
| Riddell | JRe: there is | 03:34 |
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| === Mez drools | ||
| tvo | Riddell: I've just upped source package and hoary binary to my webspace, see wiki | 04:47 |
| tvo | compiled in pbuilder, tested with lintian, linda | 04:47 |
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| Riddell | tvo: hoary or breezy? | 04:55 |
| tvo | binary for hoary, breezy is broken | 04:56 |
| tvo | source is like uniq's ==> for breezy | 04:56 |
| Riddell | yep | 04:56 |
| tvo | I'll rebuild them later today, want to cleanup the help page a bit | 04:57 |
| tvo | then I'm going to send a mail to armin | 04:57 |
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| Riddell | Mez: is there a backport of kexi? | 05:31 |
| Mez | nope | 05:31 |
| Riddell | Mez: how does someone request one? | 05:32 |
| Mez | poke me :D | 05:34 |
| Mez | lol | 05:34 |
| Mez | but if you want to make one yourself, I'll upload it for ya :D | 05:34 |
| Riddell | I don't, just wanting to reply to someone on the mailing list | 05:35 |
| Mez | which mailing list? | 05:37 |
| Riddell | kubuntu-users | 05:37 |
| Mez | ah forgot to subsribe to taht one | 05:37 |
| Mez | I'll reply | 05:37 |
| Mez | whats the subject? | 05:38 |
| Riddell | [kubuntu-users] Re: [kubuntu-users] Re: Any database program? | 05:38 |
| Mez | ah you already replied anyways | 05:39 |
| Riddell | you can tell it's me by the excessive square bracket mailing list labeling | 05:39 |
| Mez | ? | 05:40 |
| Mez | actualyl | 05:40 |
| Mez | gmane doesnt show any of that | 05:40 |
| Mez | just shows | 05:41 |
| Mez | Re: Re: Any database program? | 05:41 |
| Riddell | how clever of it :) | 05:42 |
| Mez | hehe | 05:43 |
| Riddell | Failed to fetch http://ftp.kde.org/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 302 Found | 05:51 |
| Riddell | apt is a bit daft at times | 05:51 |
| fromoze | Riddell: I just remember the main problem I find in kubuntu: Why kget isn't in the default instalation??? | 06:03 |
| Riddell | ah yes | 06:03 |
| Riddell | well mainly because it's got a complex user interface which is inconsistent with file transfers that happen not to use kget | 06:04 |
| Riddell | plus it has messy defaults, adding an extra button to konqueror, that weird drop target thing and big popup messages "do you want to use this with konqueror" | 06:05 |
| Riddell | which put me off it | 06:05 |
| fromoze | Riddell: I see, good arguments :) | 06:05 |
| Riddell | but maybe I should give it another shot | 06:06 |
| Riddell | what else did that mailing list post ask for? | 06:06 |
| fromoze | Can I copy them to comment on my blog? I make a very bad post about the fault of kget xD | 06:06 |
| Soneras | hi there | 06:10 |
| Riddell | fromoze: sure, where's your blog? | 06:11 |
| Soneras | Riddell: about KGet. I know what you mean, but the drop target thing isn't there by default. maybe the additional (web-only) toolbar button can be removed as well? | 06:11 |
| fromoze | Riddell: Is in spanish xD | 06:12 |
| Riddell | oh, opening in new tabs instead of new windows was the defualt | 06:12 |
| Riddell | konqueror should come to forground when opening a new tab | 06:12 |
| fromoze | Riddell: now is fromoze.blogspot.com... but i talk about kget on my old livejournal. The interesting link is www.augcyl.org/planet ;) | 06:13 |
| Riddell | fromoze: what is augcyl? | 06:15 |
| fromoze | Riddell: Asociacin de Usuarios de Gnu de Castilla y Len - A lug :) | 06:16 |
| fromoze | well a Lug's association.. | 06:16 |
| Soneras | Riddel, did you read that (lenghty) eMail of mine (Suggestions for two KubuntuDefaults)? If so, was the 'issue' about everything opening in the same window as a tab understandable? | 06:17 |
| Riddell | Soneras: ah, that was you :) | 06:17 |
| Riddell | Soneras: yes, understandable | 06:18 |
| Soneras | it was me :) | 06:18 |
| === Soneras ducks | ||
| Riddell | Soneras: the trouble is that the other way you end up with lots and lots of konqueror windows which gets in the way (like spacial browsing) | 06:18 |
| Riddell | in breezy the defaults are set for downloads/file transfers to be in only one window, which is quite neat. but I guess doesn't have the features of kget (it should damnit) | 06:19 |
| Soneras | does it have resume (which I suppose is the most important one) | 06:20 |
| Riddell | Soneras: it does not | 06:20 |
| Soneras | oh hmm. still worked on I guess :) | 06:20 |
| Riddell | kget features like resume should be part of kioslaves | 06:21 |
| Riddell | then it would all be nice and slick | 06:21 |
| Soneras | yeah, at times it'd be usefull locally as well. although I really don't mind kget I have to admit | 06:21 |
| Riddell | gah, kget takes up more room in system tray | 06:24 |
| Soneras | oh. that's true | 06:24 |
| Soneras | makes for less open windows though. | 06:25 |
| Riddell | and if I pause my download it disappears | 06:25 |
| Soneras | but well, I'll not try to convince you of anything here ;) | 06:25 |
| Soneras | about the other thing though (tabs instead of windows)... | 06:26 |
| Soneras | with spatial browsing you get a new window every time you open a folder... that's a lot of mess, I agree. but it's not like that in kde. | 06:26 |
| === Riddell likes it when people try to convince him of things | ||
| === Soneras will try on that one... | ||
| Soneras | users only get a new window when they specifically open a new icon, outside the current konqueror window. | 06:27 |
| Soneras | so, errrm, when they want a second window they click "home" again - and can interact with both windows (copy'n'paste and the like) | 06:27 |
| seth_k | btw Riddell, re OpenOffice / KOffice, OpenOffice includes drawing and database programs. | 06:27 |
| seth_k | so no fair citing that as a KOffice advantage :P | 06:27 |
| Riddell | seth_k: drawing is not bitmap? | 06:27 |
| Riddell | and database doesn't work (needs java) | 06:27 |
| Soneras | does that sound reasonable? I have had to explain most people I gave kubuntu how to open more windows (instead of tabs) | 06:28 |
| seth_k | ah, well played | 06:28 |
| Riddell | Soneras: how about if Konqueror came into the forground when a new tab was opened? | 06:30 |
| uniq | hello. | 06:32 |
| Soneras | Riddell: hmm, would really change the issues (wanting more windows for better control / overview) the everything-tabbed idea has. | 06:32 |
| Soneras | hi uniq | 06:32 |
| Mez | Riddell: should I close the amarok-artsd bug?> seeing as it's now been changed to gstremer? | 06:33 |
| Mez | https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/514 | 06:33 |
| Riddell | Mez: yes please | 06:33 |
| Riddell | Mez: it's also changed to | 06:33 |
| Riddell | Mez: it's also changed to alsa | 06:33 |
| Mez | https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/462 | 06:34 |
| Mez | is that bug still buggy? | 06:35 |
| Riddell | Mez: shouldn't be, close it saying it's fixed in breezy and hoary-updates | 06:35 |
| uniq | riddell: hmm.. is using alsa directly a good thing? | 06:35 |
| uniq | won't it lock the device? | 06:36 |
| uniq | (if the soundcard sucks) | 06:36 |
| Riddell | uniq: gstreamer -> alsasink I mean | 06:36 |
| uniq | ah. | 06:36 |
| uniq | gstreamer. | 06:36 |
| Riddell | got an opinion on gstreamer? | 06:36 |
| uniq | haven't used it much. | 06:36 |
| uniq | right now i use polypaudio (dropin esd replacement). | 06:37 |
| uniq | tried to have artsd output to it.. but didn't work well. | 06:37 |
| Mez | hehe | 06:38 |
| === Mez just closed over half of the ciritcal malone bugs | ||
| uniq | generally i like to do things the KDE way. but amarok is a bitch. they should fix the arts engine :) | 06:38 |
| pef | Riddell: I think kdelibs4-dev is broken :( | 06:38 |
| uniq | pef: it's not kde, it's X. | 06:39 |
| Riddell | uniq: nope, KDE should remove arts :) | 06:39 |
| Riddell | pef: in breezy? | 06:39 |
| pef | Riddell: yes | 06:39 |
| uniq | riddell: well.. not remove, replace. | 06:39 |
| pef | Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/TjgslV45.html | 06:39 |
| Riddell | pef: yeah, that's xbase-clients being broken :( | 06:40 |
| uniq | KDE needs a soundserver to run on other operating systems. can't focus too much on alsa. | 06:40 |
| pef | Riddell: It begin hard to build packages now :] | 06:41 |
| uniq | pef: you can install kdelibs4-dev with: 'apt-get install kdelibs4-dev libopenexr-dev libqt3-mt-dev' | 06:41 |
| pef | uniq: thanks ;) | 06:43 |
| uniq | the libXrender issue is nice too. | 06:44 |
| pef | for a new program, like kvpnc-0.7.2-2, the correct version for ubuntu is 0.7.2-2-0ubuntu1 right ? | 06:48 |
| uniq | kvpnc-0.7.2-2ubuntu1 | 06:49 |
| Riddell | pef: does the -2 come from debian or from kvpnc? | 06:50 |
| pef | debian | 06:51 |
| Riddell | as uniq says then | 06:52 |
| pef | and for a revision like 8.4 it will be 8.4-0ubuntu1 correct ? | 06:53 |
| Riddell | yes | 06:54 |
| Riddell | the -0 means it doesn't have a debian verion yet | 06:54 |
| Riddell | pef: you should add this to the KubuntuPackagingGuide | 06:54 |
| pef | yep | 06:55 |
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| Soneras | just added Kasablanca, a ftp client to suggestedpackages - or has someone another idea for a useable kde ftp cliernt? just stumbled updon that requirement and since kbear crashes had to use gftp.. | 07:55 |
| Soneras | or is there already a kasablanca package I missed? | 07:55 |
| Riddell | Soneras: konqueror | 07:55 |
| Soneras | yeah, but it trys to open don'T-know-how-many connections, when copying | 07:56 |
| Riddell | Soneras: jre made packages https://wiki.ubuntu.com//MOTUNewPackages | 07:56 |
| Soneras | thus it doesnt work | 07:56 |
| Riddell | of kasablanca | 07:56 |
| Soneras | oh and kftpgrabber. will check that out too, thanks | 07:57 |
| Soneras | (though kasablanca seems leaner ;)) | 07:57 |
| Soneras | btw, Riddell, I had another question before: will there be a bootsplash and a grub menu background for kubuntu in breezy? | 07:57 |
| Soneras | and if so, is there already beeing worked on? (on the artwork) | 07:58 |
| Riddell | Soneras: I suspect not, poke sladen | 07:58 |
| Riddell | the artwork would be just the same as the default wallpaper anyway | 07:59 |
| Soneras | yeah; I thought I might help there - altering the wallpaper to fit the different format and sizes/resolutions. did that for simplymepis | 08:00 |
| Riddell | Soneras: aah, a mepis man :) | 08:03 |
| Riddell | Soneras: anything they have we should steal? | 08:03 |
| Soneras | their system toolsd | 08:04 |
| tvo | uniq: ping | 08:04 |
| Riddell | Soneras: to which soures are not available | 08:04 |
| Riddell | as far as anyone can tell | 08:04 |
| Soneras | yep. although most seem to agree it's gpl | 08:05 |
| Soneras | did you try to ping the author? | 08:05 |
| Riddell | I havn't, amu did | 08:05 |
| Soneras | no reply? warren (the mepis guy) always seemed rather busy - hard to get some reply even when working on some artwork. | 08:06 |
| tvo | Riddell: you happen to know the reason uniq had for not including scons-mini in old kio-locate? | 08:09 |
| Riddell | tvo: nope, is it needed? | 08:10 |
| Riddell | doesn't build-dep on scons mean it isn't needed? | 08:10 |
| tvo | well, ita (author of bksys) is trying to persuade me to include it because: | 08:10 |
| tvo | it's faster and scons 0.96.90 (not packaged for ubuntu) has bugs | 08:11 |
| Riddell | ah well, go ahead then :) | 08:11 |
| tvo | in that, case, i'm off to change the build system again :p | 08:12 |
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| fromoze | Riddell: StR is on kubuntu-es :) | 08:39 |
| Riddell | fromoze: groovy, tell him to give everyone 30 admin points on #kubuntu-es | 08:40 |
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| StR | is Riddell here? | 08:47 |
| Riddell | StR: hi | 08:48 |
| StR | Hi Riddell I read in #kubuntu-es that you and many more were looking for me? | 08:48 |
| Riddell | StR: yep :) we want you to give op rights to others on the channel to prevent abuse | 08:49 |
| StR | full op or voice op... or what do they need? | 08:49 |
| Riddell | StR: full thing | 08:50 |
| StR | and do you know who they are? | 08:50 |
| Riddell | StR: me and fromoze would be a good start | 08:50 |
| fromoze | I'm using irc since a week... better wincide than me I think | 08:51 |
| Riddell | StR: yes, wincide too | 08:51 |
| Riddell | fromoze: and now you'll never escape from IRC | 08:51 |
| StR | ok.. I will talk to the guys in the chan... | 08:52 |
| fromoze | Riddell may be :P | 08:52 |
| seth_k | Riddell: mind if I add those caveats about OOo's draw and base programs to the wikipage? Or is that common knowledge that I just overlooked :D | 08:55 |
| Riddell | seth_k: go ahead | 08:56 |
| Riddell | but draw is vector based as I recall, they removed the bitmap stuff from staroffice for some reason | 08:56 |
| Riddell | tvo: http://luispedro.org/software/index/ | 09:03 |
| Riddell | tvo: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=112014703018956&w=2 | 09:04 |
| tvo | bookmarked for now, I doubt I'll have time to look at it before the weekly status :) | 09:05 |
| tvo | still have to rebuild&test the packages.. | 09:07 |
| seth_k | Riddell, right, Draw is vector based. Btw I don't see any problems with OOo fonts or toolbar icons on my copy | 09:10 |
| tvo | does someone here know why the &underFDL; and &underGPL; tags in a docbook manual don't work? | 09:10 |
| tvo | that is: they generate links to the wrong location | 09:11 |
| Riddell | tvo: do you know where they are defined? | 09:16 |
| pef | Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide does it seems right ? | 09:16 |
| Riddell | seth_k: I don't know why it doesn't like me then | 09:17 |
| tvo | Riddell: do you mean where the actual files are? or where &under*; is defined? | 09:17 |
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| Riddell | pef: 0.7.2-1 becomes 0.7.2-1ubuntu1 not 0.7.2-2ubuntu1 | 09:18 |
| tvo | answers: i know where the files are; i don't know where &under*; is defined (if it is) | 09:19 |
| Riddell | "If your program hasn't been yet packaged" -> "If your program hasn't been yet packaged in Debian" | 09:19 |
| Riddell | "0 for not yet packaged" -> "0 for not yet packaged in Debian" | 09:19 |
| Riddell | tvo: where &under* is defined. is this KDE or general docbook? | 09:19 |
| tvo | Riddell: KDE, it's compiled with meinproc | 09:20 |
| Riddell | tvo: do other documents use those tags (and does it work for them)? | 09:20 |
| tvo | Riddell: i'll check | 09:21 |
| tvo | Riddell: they work for kdiff and knetattach | 09:23 |
| tvo | though they seem to generate the exact same code.. so maybe I should install the GPL and FDL manually | 09:23 |
| tvo | or install symlinks? | 09:23 |
| tvo | &underGPL; generates some text with: help:/kio-locate/common/gpl-license.html | 09:24 |
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| tvo | but a working url would be: help:/common/gpl-license.html | 09:24 |
| pef | Riddell: thanks | 09:27 |
| tvo | Riddell: it seems the tag is working fine, but I need to install symlink, copies or redirect pages for these licenses | 09:27 |
| Riddell | pef: I've updated the wiki | 09:27 |
| Riddell | tvo: how annoying, what does kdiff etc do? | 09:28 |
| pef | Riddell: the wiki notices me :) | 09:28 |
| tvo | wait a minute, I'll try to figure out | 09:29 |
| seth_k | http://sethkinast.com/tmp/ooo.png Riddell. Is that not how you see it? (besides the funny R's, which I don't have.) | 09:30 |
| Riddell | seth_k: that's about right. it's the funny r's that must just be me | 09:31 |
| seth_k | okay, removing KOffice point accordingly. | 09:34 |
| Riddell | seth_k: eek? which point? | 09:34 |
| seth_k | the "fonts all work" point? | 09:35 |
| === seth_k hesitates before clicking ok | ||
| Riddell | hmm, ok. but I'll add it back as soon as I find someone with broken r's :) | 09:35 |
| Riddell | fromoze: we don't seem to have ops on #kubuntu-es | 09:36 |
| seth_k | okay :D i stuck a comment on the diff so it's easy to spot | 09:36 |
| pef | Soneras: Kftpgrabber ? | 09:36 |
| Soneras | pef: hmm? | 09:36 |
| pef | Soneras: ftp client | 09:37 |
| Soneras | ah yes, I'm having a look at kasablanca and kftpgrabber at the moment | 09:37 |
| fromoze | Riddell. We? jpatrick says I've voice... I don't understand enough :/ | 09:37 |
| Soneras | I think kasablanca is well done (has some issues though - writing a lenghty mail to the author... which I have to find first anyway) =) | 09:38 |
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| tvo | Riddell: docs.kde.org has the same problem. Links to GPL and FDL are broken links everywhere I look.. | 09:42 |
| pef | libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libXrender.la' current X issue right ? | 09:43 |
| Riddell | pef: yes | 09:44 |
| Riddell | (one of them) | 09:44 |
| pef | ok | 09:46 |
| Riddell | tvo: report it to bugs.kde.org maybe | 09:46 |
| tvo | Riddell: ok I'll do that, seems to be KDE-wide anyway.. | 09:47 |
| Soneras | does anyone know if JeanRemyFalleri is actively working on kasablanca code? or is he 'just' packaging? | 09:51 |
| Riddell | seth_k: just packaging | 09:53 |
| Riddell | Soneras: | 09:53 |
| Soneras | Riddell: k, thanks | 09:54 |
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| Riddell | anyone got opinions on AdvancedAddBookmarkDialog=true for bookmarks? | 10:04 |
| Soneras | anyplace I can read up on this? | 10:05 |
| \sh | grmpf... | 10:06 |
| \sh | what was the workaround for xorg not starting with "fatal error: can't find fixed font" ? | 10:06 |
| Riddell | Soneras: on which? | 10:09 |
| pef | \sh: have checked the fontpath in xorg.conf ? | 10:09 |
| Riddell | \sh: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf change /usr/share to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/* | 10:09 |
| Soneras | on AdvancedBookmarkDialog | 10:10 |
| Riddell | Soneras: Bookmarks->Add in konqueror, should that dialogue appear or not | 10:10 |
| Soneras | Riddell: Sorry, still not sure what this means - adding bookmarks in Konqueror should be possible, but I suppose that's not the point. nevermind though, I'm sure somebody else knows about this and can give more educated feedback. | 10:14 |
| \sh | think Imessed up now everything | 10:19 |
| \sh | which package installs /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/* ? i don't have it...and xfonts-base is wrong | 10:20 |
| \sh | mkfontdir is not found.. | 10:21 |
| Riddell | Soneras: when you add a bookmark in konqueror a dialogue box appears, but it can also be set so the dialogue box doesn't appear and the bookmark is just added. which do you prefer? | 10:21 |
| Riddell | \sh: xfonts-75dpi has some | 10:23 |
| \sh | mkfontdir not found. | 10:24 |
| Soneras | Riddell: Ah ok. Personally I prefer it with the dialog - can change the name directly, but I see the advantage (a lot faster, and 80% correct names) of not having a dialog as well. | 10:24 |
| \sh | can't read fonts.dir | 10:24 |
| \sh | hmm | 10:25 |
| \sh | xutils is empty but the doc | 10:25 |
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| Riddell | how about this for a default? konqueror --profile simplebrowser | 11:08 |
| tvo | Riddell: a Q about python build-depend: do I need to specify an upper limit for the version? | 11:09 |
| Riddell | tvo: yeah probably good practice, python <= 2.5 or the like | 11:10 |
| Riddell | tvo: what python are you playing with? | 11:10 |
| tvo | Riddell: i'm changing the build to use scons-mini | 11:10 |
| tvo | scons-mini is python, so I need to specify python build-depend instead of scons | 11:10 |
| Riddell | tvo: you might want to put that ony our wiki page (for people googling for scons debian packaging etc) | 11:11 |
| Riddell | on your | 11:11 |
| tvo | I was told the << 2.5 which is used for scons for example is because the python script gets compiled into bytecode | 11:11 |
| Riddell | compiling to bytecode should be done at install time no? | 11:12 |
| tvo | but I reasoned this wouldn't matter in my case because it's a build depend and no python byte code is supposed to get in the deb | 11:12 |
| tvo | yep | 11:12 |
| Riddell | oh, build-depend, wouldn't both then | 11:12 |
| tvo | maybe I can find another app which uses a python build script.. | 11:13 |
| tvo | hmm I don't know how to search for packages with certain build-deps so i'll leave it for now I think | 11:17 |
| Riddell | it's not too important I suspect :) | 11:20 |
| tvo | Riddell: does it matter if I didn't do a thing with .po files for now? | 11:21 |
| tvo | and .pot | 11:21 |
| tvo | if it doesn't matter too much the package is finally finished i think :) | 11:21 |
| Riddell | tvo: you should create .pot files somewhere along the lines, but you can't do that in the build script just now since we don't have the kde gettext in the archive | 11:23 |
| tvo | Riddell: yeah, I understood something like that, but question is more: does it matter if I distribute a package with heavily outdated .pot files? | 11:24 |
| Riddell | tvo: it doesn't matter no, unless they get picked up by a translator who uses them | 11:25 |
| === tvo updates the wiki with the new URLs | ||
| === tvo wonders if he's gonna make it before 23:59:59 UTC +0200 | ||
| tvo | 11 minutes left :) | 11:48 |
| tvo | but packages upped, dnloaded md5sums compared, ok | 11:49 |
| Riddell | if Europe is an hour ahead does that mean you can get Harry Potter an hour early? | 11:49 |
| tvo | hmm, might be, have to check that :) | 11:52 |
| Riddell | well no spoilers please :) | 11:53 |
| \sh | hmm | 11:58 |
| \sh | new harry potter? | 11:58 |
| tvo | ..and 1 minute before deadline.. he clicks "save changes" on the wiki.. ;p | 11:59 |
| Riddell | \sh: quick, run to a bookshop now! | 12:00 |
| Riddell | poor postman tomorrow | 12:00 |
| \sh | Riddell: no :) I have my copy already :) | 12:01 |
| Riddell | \sh: how did you manage that? | 12:03 |
| \sh | riddell: I have it not here..but I will get it without any hassel from a friend, he's working for bertelsmann | 12:04 |
| \sh | native version (english) for 10 eur | 12:04 |
| \sh | like the last book of hp | 12:04 |
| Riddell | ah right | 12:04 |
| \sh | I mean I ordered already | 12:05 |
| \sh | problem is, when u try to get the original edition, normally u pay a lot more here in germany | 12:05 |
| \sh | and the normal price for the last HP in german was 27 EUR | 12:06 |
| \sh | we got the native print for 9.99 EUR as special employee price from bertelsmann...and this time again...so friend is buying a couple of those books :) | 12:06 |
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