[12:23] Riddell: you interested in a chat I had on #bksys about rpath? [12:23] tvo: sure [12:26] Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/SF0xLb84.html didn't get the formatting right though === tvo is still looking for a better copy option in xchat. and btw: === tvo succesfully created a .dsc, .deb .orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz :) [12:29] btw, should I gpg sign my package? [12:30] tvo: yeah sign it is good practice [12:31] I should look into what rpath is :) [12:31] k have to set up some keys and look into that too :) [12:31] you read the chat? [12:31] yes, interesting chat [12:32] so, either I'm going to release the tarball with rpath and the debian packages without, [12:32] or I find some better info :) [12:35] tvo: the .orig should be the same in both cases [12:36] yeah in that case the removal of rpath would go in the diff [12:36] yep [12:36] or better in debian/patches/foo.diff === tvo browses debian-ocaml-maint, looking for rpath [12:38] http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?RpathIssue === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Mez] : Kubuntu 5.04 Released http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu || w00t for katapult :D - please idle in #katapult [12:39] Riddell, things are looking good for us! [12:39] 23:39 [freenode2] -!- Cannot join to channel #katapult (You have joined to too many channels) [12:40] *giggles* [12:40] lmao [12:40] how many channels you on ? [12:40] 20 is the limit [12:40] you're on 20 channels? [12:40] what channels? I only see a few [12:40] * [Riddell] #ubuntu #ubuntu-motu #ubuntu-meeting #kubuntu #ubuntu-devel #kubuntu-devel [12:41] uniq: thanks, reading it now [12:42] i can't do anything now that the shiny new xorg removed my xkb rules. [12:53] 62,400 rpath issues on google :) [12:56] anyway, there doesn't seem to be a right track: ~150,000 (add OR enable) rpath, almost same number (remove OR erase) rpath [12:56] :-/ [12:56] slightly more add rpath than remove rpath though [12:57] sometimes people fix things by adding rpath, sometimes by removing it :-/ [12:57] :-s [12:58] rpath is disabled in the kde packages. [01:01] hmm, debian upstream seems to prefer rpath disabled it seems [01:02] seems I'll go for no rpath for now.... [01:07] Riddell: whenever I use "save session" It'll never ghet a copy of thunderbird to load on login... any ideas why? [01:07] Mez: because it isn't kde [01:08] ...? [01:08] FF stays loaded, so does gaim :D [01:19] Riddell: how large is kubuntu, you can answer in #kubuntu :D === katoc [~katoc@201.128.225.117] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:19] hi there!! [01:19] ah.. found a bunch of old xorg debs :) [01:19] now my keyboard works.. @ and all. [01:19] hi katoc. [01:19] have you modify a kubuntu install cd [01:20] ? [01:20] I have not. [01:22] i suggest asking in #ubuntu-devel about modifying cds. [01:23] laterzz, i'm off to bed.. [01:23] uniq, 10x [01:24] gnite tvo. [01:26] Riddell: New record on #kubuntu-es: now 8 users and at least 12 different has come in along the day. === katoc [~katoc@201.128.225.117] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [01:27] fromoze: cool, maybe people do read the website :) [01:27] Riddell: And I've introduce on barrapunto.org (spanish slashdot) a notice on my user blog asking for StR. I get an answer saying "I'm StR, but I've forgot my password"... I dunno, the answer arrive too quick, less 10 minuts [01:30] freenode staff will remove him for you.. 6 weeks since last login.. [01:30] but he's whon registered the channel :/ [01:31] I asked madkiss earlier, no reply === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:32] ok. [01:32] good night ! [01:32] nite pef. [01:33] riddell: did you make a oo.o vs koffice spec for breezy? [01:33] uniq: nope, writers block [01:33] ok. [01:34] maybe I should do that now [01:34] poke me and I'll do it [01:34] otherwise I'll go to bed [01:34] i can list a few pro/cons if you need help to get started. [01:36] or i could go to bed too.. and we can do it all tomorrow or later. [01:41] let's do it later. I'll have to be up 0900 tomorro.. that's in 6 hours. time flies. [01:41] gnite. === Mez pokes riddell [01:42] do it :d === Mez wubbles koffice [01:43] Kugar = grat [01:43] great [01:44] o_O [01:44] kivio ? [01:44] the only problem with koffice is the random crashing.. and the ms office support. [01:44] shouldnt that be "umbrello" [01:44] I dont get the random crashing [01:45] MSO support sux thogh [01:45] it's always crashed randomly for me [01:45] kivio was terrible last I tried (which was years ago) [01:45] Mez: and nobody knows what the heck Kugar does [01:46] Riddell - it's a bit like crystal reports :D [01:46] lol [01:46] I've used it before === Mez wonders where the "access" replacement has gone [01:46] and kexi [01:46] kexi and krita are nice. [01:46] i have more problems with kword and kpresenter. === Mez has no kexi [01:47] me neither at the moment. [01:47] kexi is in universe, if someone wants test out the mdb driver and check that it's packaging is good that would be nice [01:47] then whats the point of jugar ? [01:47] (am using hoary) [01:47] if there's no kexi [01:47] kugar = no point [01:48] Mez: kugar has been around a lot lot longer than kexi [01:48] I thought kugar was a report thing for DBs though.... [01:49] not just DBs [01:49] but it was pretty useless [01:49] I thought it was for DBs [01:49] well for any structured data I guess [01:49] therfore in Koffice - kugar without kexi =- poop [01:50] which is why its existance causes confusion [01:50] ooh, I got a copy of the katapult icon [01:50] it was written by theKompany, I guess they had some need for it [01:50] Mez: let's see === Mez is looking [01:51] funky... [01:51] weird but funky === uniq_ [~frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #kubuntu-devel === uniq is very pro oo.o after using koffice for ~3 weeks [01:53] have you seen oo.o2? the buttons don't even fit on the toolbar [01:53] not at 1024 anyway [01:53] haven't tested oo.o2 much. [01:54] tried to use the first build for hoary. it crashed opening it's own files so i gave up. === uniq is starting oo.o2 [01:55] nice.. new splash [01:56] hey, oo.o2 looks nice. [01:56] almost kde-ish. === Riddell pokes Mez [01:56] uniq: do the fonts look half decent? do the buttons fit on the bar? [01:56] still uploading, my comp'#s being a bitch === uniq starts ksnapshot [01:58] oh, for f**k sake === Riddell hands Mez scp === uniq hands mez fish:/ [02:00] Riddell: they're up it's just my CMS is ebing a btich abiout them [02:00] I'm using fish:/ [02:00] :P === Riddell takes uniq's fish:/ and ups to sftp:/ === uniq tries to change the subject to oo.o2 with this screenshot: http://frode.kde.no/ubuntu/dull/ss2.png [02:05] uniq: tried using fish:/ or sftp:/ with openoffice? only half works [02:05] yeah, the buttons don't fit. how braindead is that? [02:05] it's better than a crashing koffice imho. [02:06] http://www.sourceguru.net/stuff/12/katapult-icons [02:06] I know I know [02:07] the second one makes me think === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:07] "nananananananananananananananananananananananana" [02:07] "BATMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!" [02:08] weird [02:08] what do you think? [02:09] not sure any of them would look good at 22x22, too detailed [02:10] hence the iddly ones :d [02:11] but but... what the heck is it? [02:11] thats what I was about to say [02:11] Riddell++, my thought exactly [02:12] oh well, it's not like we'll have the icon showing at all [02:19] ol [02:19] I'll email him back saying 2we don't think it'll scaletoo well to 22x22 - btw, wtf is it? === \sh is now known as \sh_away [02:26] I think it's meant to resemble some sort of barista [02:27] ballista * === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === CWiesen [~chris@p50884BC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === uniq [~frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #kubuntu-devel === venda [~sean@ndn-165-134-250.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [~ach@dialin-212-144-131-213.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === doko [~doko@a130-233-5-210.debconf5.hut.fi] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:15] Riddell: ping === \sh_away is now known as \sh === m-fox [~m-fox@port-212-202-9-78.dynamic.qsc.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === OculusAquilae [~bastian@p548D2C44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:36] Riddell: once daniels stops splitting every man page out of xbase-clients, could you check to replace the xbase-clients dependency in kde4libs ? === JRe [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:57] <\sh> doko: even ubuntu-desktop is borked because of this...i just destroyed everything here === froud is now known as froud-work === tvo [~tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === froud-work [~froud@ndn-165-134-250.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [~bastian@p548D18F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fromoze [~fromoze@81.172.88.213] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away === pef [~loic@erodia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:54] hi [11:55] hi pef === OculusAquilae [~bastian@p548D2C6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:16] hmm, it seems that slocate regexp matching is really broken, could someone confirm that? [12:24] tvo: slocate -r works for me [12:25] Riddell: hmm, it's weird, only very few regexp commands are supported than [12:25] | * + don't work for me [12:27] nevermind, it does matching on the entire path, not a substring [12:27] Riddell: there is no kdissert package in ubuntu ? [12:27] JRe: breezy only I think [12:28] Riddell: ow yeah! thks. [12:29] hmm, no, it just takes way longer if I add .* to begin and end of pattern [12:31] Riddell: which expression(s) did you try? [12:36] tvo: random .* [12:36] I think I understand, it's just a way too old regexp format [12:36] special characters are escaped instead of unescaped in many cases [12:37] and it's incompatible with QRegExp, so in current implementation regexp isn't even possible [12:37] in kio-locate [12:46] Riddell: there is an iso of hoary with the KDE 3.4.1 packages ? [12:48] JRe: yes http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice-14.php [12:48] Riddell: thanks a lot === fromoze [~fromoze@81.172.88.213] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:27] Riddell: is this .diff and .orig stuff in the source package required? [01:27] tvo: yes [01:28] tvo: dsc *diff.gz and *.orig.gz [01:28] hmm, I can build a package with just a .tar.gz, but [01:28] s/dsc/*.dsc/ [01:28] but I've not yet figured out how to make a diff and orig [01:28] tvo: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot [01:28] tvo: but read debian NM guide first [01:29] tvo: you can make a package with just a .tar.gz but that's generally only a good idea for small packages with no upstream [01:29] tvo: you make the .orig.gz yourself then debuild makes the .diff === pef [~loic@erodia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:29] let me try that.. [01:30] tvo: the naming convention for the orig is this one: package_version.orig.tar.gz [01:30] JRe: so bz2 is also not possible? [01:30] no, gz only [01:30] tvo: no [01:30] k thanks [01:32] Riddell: dh_make handle bzip2 no ? (not at the moment ) [01:34] don't think so [01:35] I think I'm getting the right files now, still compiling... [01:36] Riddell: I think yes ;) grep bzip /usr/bin/dh_make [01:37] pef: that's for sources which are bzip2, it converts them to gz [01:38] Riddell: misunderstood, sorry :) [01:39] got the right package files.. now testing again... === Mez [~Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:54] hmm seems I've accidentally deleted the new help file I typed a few days ago :( [01:55] tvo: backups rox :) [01:55] pef: yes, I'm still looking, it might be an issue with the build system [02:02] there's some weird kind of caching in the help system it seems.. [02:03] or the new bksys installs them in the wrong place.. === \sh_away is now known as \sh [02:18] aaaaargh build system changed kio_locate into kio-locate :) that was the problem, it's solved now [02:31] hi [02:31] hi [02:32] do we have any program for breezy making it possible to install .debs by clicking on it or do you don't think that this is neccassary? [02:34] I don't know if we have it, but it would be fairly easy to link .debs to a graphical program which does dpkg -i with a progess bar I think.. [02:35] but it should install the deps via apt-get, too, shouldn't it [02:36] we have kpackage.. maybe it's to complex for simple things like installing a package. [02:37] don't know if you can make it install a .deb by passing a few parameters to it.. [02:37] OculusAquilae: we don't, and it would be good, but it depends on kapture stuff getting developed [02:37] uniq: I think kpackage is to complicated for our uses, isn't it [02:38] Riddell: Who is developing kapture [02:38] mornfall [02:38] he's currently working on libapt-front which is a nice library for apt [02:47] thanks [02:47] Riddell: kde-devel seems to be broken [02:49] pef: the mailing list? [02:49] oh no, the package [02:49] pef: what's up with it? [02:49] Riddell: not installable in breezy [02:50] pef: what's the error [02:50] Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Z8Mebt27.html === Riddell starts a new chroot [02:52] <\sh> yes [02:52] <\sh> i think these are x dep issues :( [02:53] they will be [02:53] <\sh> but thx to god..not only kde is broken ,-) [02:53] yes, saw seb having much the same conversation with daniels this morning as I had yesterday [02:54] <\sh> what was the consense? [02:55] "how do I build anything without libXrender.la?" "fix all the other .la files that still reference it" [02:56] <\sh> u mean, we have to rebuild the whole system because one file moved from a to b? === \sh is a bit nervous right now...updating to breezy again :( [02:57] \sh: it's not been moved, it's been removed [02:58] <\sh> yeah..removed == moved to /bin/trash | /dev/null ,-) [02:58] be careful with upgrading, xkb is totally broken === \sh will get the @ sign later on via copy&paste from a mail ,-) [02:59] oh what larks, xbase-clients is broken again [03:00] <\sh> more then that [03:00] <\sh> it's completly destroyed [03:00] it's simply missing :D [03:00] <\sh> xhost xdpyinfo etc. is missing, yes, xbase-clients is destroyed ,-) [03:01] \sh: your keymap is currently broken ? [03:01] <\sh> pef: not now...but give me 10 mins [03:01] \sh: wrote the fix on paper ;) https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12695 [03:03] <\sh> hmmm..firefox is crashing :( [03:03] <\sh> no konqeuror anymore... [03:04] <\sh> looks as a good solution for a workaround [03:05] but this fix didn't work as is for me [03:06] <\sh> Riddell: so which b-d we have to move out of the way for fixing the missed libXrender issue? === pef is now known as pef_aw [03:07] \sh: b-d? [03:07] <\sh> build-dep [03:08] \sh: the problem isn't in build-deps, it's in other X packages which still mention libXrender.la in their .la files [03:16] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuOfficeSuite discuss. [03:16] you need a launchpad login to edit === Soneras [~chris@p50886BFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:32] why is stuff still in udu.wiki instead of wiki. ? [03:33] haggai: I think the specs for breezy will always be on udu just because that's where they started [03:34] Riddell: there is a package of OO2 ? [03:34] JRe: there is === \sh is now known as \sh_away === Mez drools [04:47] Riddell: I've just upped source package and hoary binary to my webspace, see wiki [04:47] compiled in pbuilder, tested with lintian, linda === pef [~loic@erodia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:55] tvo: hoary or breezy? [04:56] binary for hoary, breezy is broken [04:56] source is like uniq's ==> for breezy [04:56] yep [04:57] I'll rebuild them later today, want to cleanup the help page a bit [04:57] then I'm going to send a mail to armin === froud-work is now known as froud-away [05:31] Mez: is there a backport of kexi? [05:31] nope [05:32] Mez: how does someone request one? [05:34] poke me :D [05:34] lol [05:34] but if you want to make one yourself, I'll upload it for ya :D [05:35] I don't, just wanting to reply to someone on the mailing list [05:37] which mailing list? [05:37] kubuntu-users [05:37] ah forgot to subsribe to taht one [05:37] I'll reply [05:38] whats the subject? [05:38] [kubuntu-users] Re: [kubuntu-users] Re: Any database program? [05:39] ah you already replied anyways [05:39] you can tell it's me by the excessive square bracket mailing list labeling [05:40] ? [05:40] actualyl [05:40] gmane doesnt show any of that [05:41] just shows [05:41] Re: Re: Any database program? [05:42] how clever of it :) [05:43] hehe [05:51] Failed to fetch http://ftp.kde.org/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 302 Found [05:51] apt is a bit daft at times [06:03] Riddell: I just remember the main problem I find in kubuntu: Why kget isn't in the default instalation??? [06:03] ah yes [06:04] well mainly because it's got a complex user interface which is inconsistent with file transfers that happen not to use kget [06:05] plus it has messy defaults, adding an extra button to konqueror, that weird drop target thing and big popup messages "do you want to use this with konqueror" [06:05] which put me off it [06:05] Riddell: I see, good arguments :) [06:06] but maybe I should give it another shot [06:06] what else did that mailing list post ask for? [06:06] Can I copy them to comment on my blog? I make a very bad post about the fault of kget xD [06:10] hi there [06:11] fromoze: sure, where's your blog? [06:11] Riddell: about KGet. I know what you mean, but the drop target thing isn't there by default. maybe the additional (web-only) toolbar button can be removed as well? [06:12] Riddell: Is in spanish xD [06:12] oh, opening in new tabs instead of new windows was the defualt [06:12] konqueror should come to forground when opening a new tab [06:13] Riddell: now is fromoze.blogspot.com... but i talk about kget on my old livejournal. The interesting link is www.augcyl.org/planet ;) [06:15] fromoze: what is augcyl? [06:16] Riddell: Asociacin de Usuarios de Gnu de Castilla y Len - A lug :) [06:16] well a Lug's association.. [06:17] Riddel, did you read that (lenghty) eMail of mine (Suggestions for two KubuntuDefaults)? If so, was the 'issue' about everything opening in the same window as a tab understandable? [06:17] Soneras: ah, that was you :) [06:18] Soneras: yes, understandable [06:18] it was me :) === Soneras ducks [06:18] Soneras: the trouble is that the other way you end up with lots and lots of konqueror windows which gets in the way (like spacial browsing) [06:19] in breezy the defaults are set for downloads/file transfers to be in only one window, which is quite neat. but I guess doesn't have the features of kget (it should damnit) [06:20] does it have resume (which I suppose is the most important one) [06:20] Soneras: it does not [06:20] oh hmm. still worked on I guess :) [06:21] kget features like resume should be part of kioslaves [06:21] then it would all be nice and slick [06:21] yeah, at times it'd be usefull locally as well. although I really don't mind kget I have to admit [06:24] gah, kget takes up more room in system tray [06:24] oh. that's true [06:25] makes for less open windows though. [06:25] and if I pause my download it disappears [06:25] but well, I'll not try to convince you of anything here ;) [06:26] about the other thing though (tabs instead of windows)... [06:26] with spatial browsing you get a new window every time you open a folder... that's a lot of mess, I agree. but it's not like that in kde. === Riddell likes it when people try to convince him of things === Soneras will try on that one... [06:27] users only get a new window when they specifically open a new icon, outside the current konqueror window. [06:27] so, errrm, when they want a second window they click "home" again - and can interact with both windows (copy'n'paste and the like) [06:27] btw Riddell, re OpenOffice / KOffice, OpenOffice includes drawing and database programs. [06:27] so no fair citing that as a KOffice advantage :P [06:27] seth_k: drawing is not bitmap? [06:27] and database doesn't work (needs java) [06:28] does that sound reasonable? I have had to explain most people I gave kubuntu how to open more windows (instead of tabs) [06:28] ah, well played [06:30] Soneras: how about if Konqueror came into the forground when a new tab was opened? [06:32] hello. [06:32] Riddell: hmm, would really change the issues (wanting more windows for better control / overview) the everything-tabbed idea has. [06:32] hi uniq [06:33] Riddell: should I close the amarok-artsd bug?> seeing as it's now been changed to gstremer? [06:33] https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/514 [06:33] Mez: yes please [06:33] Mez: it's also changed to [06:33] Mez: it's also changed to alsa [06:34] https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/462 [06:35] is that bug still buggy? [06:35] Mez: shouldn't be, close it saying it's fixed in breezy and hoary-updates [06:35] riddell: hmm.. is using alsa directly a good thing? [06:36] won't it lock the device? [06:36] (if the soundcard sucks) [06:36] uniq: gstreamer -> alsasink I mean [06:36] ah. [06:36] gstreamer. [06:36] got an opinion on gstreamer? [06:36] haven't used it much. [06:37] right now i use polypaudio (dropin esd replacement). [06:37] tried to have artsd output to it.. but didn't work well. [06:38] hehe === Mez just closed over half of the ciritcal malone bugs [06:38] generally i like to do things the KDE way. but amarok is a bitch. they should fix the arts engine :) [06:38] Riddell: I think kdelibs4-dev is broken :( [06:39] pef: it's not kde, it's X. [06:39] uniq: nope, KDE should remove arts :) [06:39] pef: in breezy? [06:39] Riddell: yes [06:39] riddell: well.. not remove, replace. [06:39] Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/TjgslV45.html [06:40] pef: yeah, that's xbase-clients being broken :( [06:40] KDE needs a soundserver to run on other operating systems. can't focus too much on alsa. [06:41] Riddell: It begin hard to build packages now :] [06:41] pef: you can install kdelibs4-dev with: 'apt-get install kdelibs4-dev libopenexr-dev libqt3-mt-dev' [06:43] uniq: thanks ;) [06:44] the libXrender issue is nice too. [06:48] for a new program, like kvpnc-0.7.2-2, the correct version for ubuntu is 0.7.2-2-0ubuntu1 right ? [06:49] kvpnc-0.7.2-2ubuntu1 [06:50] pef: does the -2 come from debian or from kvpnc? [06:51] debian [06:52] as uniq says then [06:53] and for a revision like 8.4 it will be 8.4-0ubuntu1 correct ? [06:54] yes [06:54] the -0 means it doesn't have a debian verion yet [06:54] pef: you should add this to the KubuntuPackagingGuide [06:55] yep === tvo [~tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:55] just added Kasablanca, a ftp client to suggestedpackages - or has someone another idea for a useable kde ftp cliernt? just stumbled updon that requirement and since kbear crashes had to use gftp.. [07:55] or is there already a kasablanca package I missed? [07:55] Soneras: konqueror [07:56] yeah, but it trys to open don'T-know-how-many connections, when copying [07:56] Soneras: jre made packages https://wiki.ubuntu.com//MOTUNewPackages [07:56] thus it doesnt work [07:56] of kasablanca [07:57] oh and kftpgrabber. will check that out too, thanks [07:57] (though kasablanca seems leaner ;)) [07:57] btw, Riddell, I had another question before: will there be a bootsplash and a grub menu background for kubuntu in breezy? [07:58] and if so, is there already beeing worked on? (on the artwork) [07:58] Soneras: I suspect not, poke sladen [07:59] the artwork would be just the same as the default wallpaper anyway [08:00] yeah; I thought I might help there - altering the wallpaper to fit the different format and sizes/resolutions. did that for simplymepis [08:03] Soneras: aah, a mepis man :) [08:03] Soneras: anything they have we should steal? [08:04] their system toolsd [08:04] uniq: ping [08:04] Soneras: to which soures are not available [08:04] as far as anyone can tell [08:05] yep. although most seem to agree it's gpl [08:05] did you try to ping the author? [08:05] I havn't, amu did [08:06] no reply? warren (the mepis guy) always seemed rather busy - hard to get some reply even when working on some artwork. [08:09] Riddell: you happen to know the reason uniq had for not including scons-mini in old kio-locate? [08:10] tvo: nope, is it needed? [08:10] doesn't build-dep on scons mean it isn't needed? [08:10] well, ita (author of bksys) is trying to persuade me to include it because: [08:11] it's faster and scons 0.96.90 (not packaged for ubuntu) has bugs [08:11] ah well, go ahead then :) [08:12] in that, case, i'm off to change the build system again :p === KaiL_ [KaiL@p548F3F7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:39] Riddell: StR is on kubuntu-es :) [08:40] fromoze: groovy, tell him to give everyone 30 admin points on #kubuntu-es === StR [~str@216.230.136.242] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:47] is Riddell here? [08:48] StR: hi [08:48] Hi Riddell I read in #kubuntu-es that you and many more were looking for me? [08:49] StR: yep :) we want you to give op rights to others on the channel to prevent abuse [08:49] full op or voice op... or what do they need? [08:50] StR: full thing [08:50] and do you know who they are? [08:50] StR: me and fromoze would be a good start [08:51] I'm using irc since a week... better wincide than me I think [08:51] StR: yes, wincide too [08:51] fromoze: and now you'll never escape from IRC [08:52] ok.. I will talk to the guys in the chan... [08:52]